Patriots Postgame Show 10/20: Jaguars Recap, Evaluating Offensive and Defensive Performances and Injury Updates

Tune-in as we break down everything that stood out from the Patriots 32-16 loss to the Jacksonville Jaguars in week 7. We bring you the good, the bad and the injured. Plus, we replay postgame press conferences from Jerod Mayo and Drake Maye.

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Speaker 2 (00:31):
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Speaker 1 (00:33):
Here's Matt Smith. Hey, you ready over there? Well, time
to go.

Speaker 3 (00:44):
Yeah, you might know you've been gone a long time.
I don't shine shoes no more.

Speaker 1 (00:47):
You got to open the show and look there's I
got all these papers in front of me, got all
this stuff.

Speaker 3 (00:53):
Uh, people are blaming you for the loss, just to
let you know. That's the word from the UK.

Speaker 1 (00:57):
Yeah, because first loss on the Patriots season. And what's
different is that I'm here so correct. I take full accountability.
Welcome into the Patriots Postgame Show, which is presented by DraftKings, Sarah,
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(01:18):
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at Patriots dot com. Hardy, Paulparillo, Mike des here to
break down the loss to the Jaguars in London thirty
two sixteen The final, Boy, it did not appear to
be trending that way early in the game. Your initial thoughts, please,

(01:42):
Paul Parillo.

Speaker 3 (01:44):
Yeah, I mean I thought they you know, a lot
of our keys had to do with getting off to
a better start, and I thought they got exactly that.
They have a beautiful drive to open the game. Eleven
play sixty eight yards six twenty eight off the clock,
seven to nothing. They respawd with a three and out defensively,
then they get the ball, they drive again, twelve play

(02:05):
field goal drive and you're like, okay, here we go
ten nothing getting to play the game on your terms.
Nothing after that was positive at all. This was a
butt whoopan I mean, Jacksonville was vastly superior for the
last three quarters of this game.

Speaker 4 (02:21):
Yeah, I mean, I just I'm in shock with the defense.
I think I said it before. I was worried about
they just Jacksonville had their number all day long, whether
they I mean when they run eighteen straight times at
one point, I think that kind of says it all
in a game where you know your couple scores down,
I mean, it's not a total blowout at that point,
but Jacksonville just able to control the line of scrimmage
all day long.

Speaker 5 (02:43):
So many of the runs it just looked like we
were joking Paul in the middle of it. Where have
your pick? Which hole do you want?

Speaker 4 (02:47):
I mean, who was the old running back from Pittsburgh
used to live Leveon Bell. You know, it was like
one of those where he kind of like pause for
a second and you're like, would I go here?

Speaker 5 (02:55):
Should I go there?

Speaker 4 (02:57):
Dominant effort on the ground from the Jacksonville jag I
thought they're attack early on, especially through the air. Targeting
some of the Patriots linebackers was dead on. And you
know Trevor Lawrence, I mean, he's he's a really good player.
He had time and they picked them apart. However, they
kind of wanted pretty much from the second quarter on.

Speaker 1 (03:14):
And they really didn't even have to do it in
a common sense approach, you know, at a halftime, Trevor
Lawrence I think was nine of ten on his completions.

Speaker 3 (03:23):
And for the game he's fifteen for twenty four hundred
and ninety three yards.

Speaker 1 (03:26):
So you would think, oh, with that kind of success
in the passing game, they must have thrown the ball
a lot. No, they went out ran the ball in
the second half and we're doing it at will. So
why take the chance of anything going wrong in the
passing game when you can run the ball too? Well?
Weren't you completing a lot of throws? Yeah, but we
didn't even have to just go out there and run

(03:46):
the ball and pick up first down after first down,
and just take time off the clock and build upon
that lead that that you had at halftime, when again
it looked like you'd jump out to that ten nothing lead.
This is what we wanted from the Patriots. Play with
the lead and see how that works. Well, if you're
going to be so porous defensively, it doesn't work that way.

(04:08):
It only works when you can get stops and they
couldn't get.

Speaker 3 (04:11):
And I have a confession to make, and I was
you know, everybody that listens to the show, you know, remembers,
you know, the good old days right when I used
to have the nod. I was pretty close to like
giving a nod today, Like I personally thought the game
was over, you thought there was gonna be a nod.
I thought Jacksonville looked lifeless, like we had all talked
about heading in, you know, throughout the week. The first quarter,

(04:33):
I thought Josh heinz Allen looked like he had no
interest whatsoever being on the field for Jacksonville.

Speaker 1 (04:38):
The Cisco that.

Speaker 3 (04:42):
Guy, he looked like he had no interest in tackling.

Speaker 1 (04:47):
I was pretty close, you know.

Speaker 3 (04:48):
The Patriots looked like they they had brought some intensity,
you know, a renewed energy, and I was pretty close
to saying if the Patriots could have gotten a stop
on that drive and they go up ten nothing, I
was like that, this is it. And then Jacksonville went
right down the field and scored and it never got stopped.

Speaker 4 (05:07):
The hasty TD it kind of looked like, is anyone
gonna tackle Let me Josh Hall.

Speaker 3 (05:10):
There was no interest whatsoever in tackling the Jacksonville in
that first drive. And then to their credit, their defense
played well the last three quarters.

Speaker 1 (05:18):
There's something that happened toward the end of the game.
Which bugs me to no end. It bugs me when
I see it in virtually any game.

Speaker 3 (05:25):
Something tells me that's gonna come up on the bad list.

Speaker 1 (05:27):
Okay, well, I don't know if it's going to because
you may defend it as as a scholar of the
game point.

Speaker 3 (05:34):
Without knowing exactly what you're gonna say. I'm gonna go
on a limit say I'm not gonna defend it.

Speaker 5 (05:39):
Oka all on the same page.

Speaker 4 (05:40):
Maybe we'll see what you say, but I think we
might be Do.

Speaker 1 (05:42):
You want me to say it now? Can I just
say it right now? Going for the two point when
you're down fifteen, All right, let's get the two point
conversion out of the way. Now, Why why, why, why
don't you make it an eight point game? And if
by some miracle you make it back to the end zone,
you'll have the momentum of having scored twice and everything

(06:05):
is on your side at that point, and now you
know you have it. Instead, you put yourself where you
know we still got to score two more times. Well
you didn't have to. If you just got it to
within eight, then a touchdown and two point conversion still
ties the game. Instead, we're gonna shoot ourselves in the
foot early on on this and put ourselves into a

(06:26):
position where we're playing from behind the eight ball again.
I don't get it. I see it. I see it
all the time, and the book tells all these guys
the same thing, go for too early. I don't understand
the mentality. You know what you need, you know what
you need.

Speaker 5 (06:43):
That's what everyone just says.

Speaker 3 (06:45):
You'd be safe at home.

Speaker 5 (06:47):
Do you want to do?

Speaker 6 (06:48):
You want?

Speaker 5 (06:48):
You want to go? You want me to No, you
can go?

Speaker 7 (06:50):
No.

Speaker 4 (06:50):
I like my mind is and we're complaining about the
same thing. But even when you get to the point
where the Patriots get the ball back and they're down
nine points, it's like your whole team demeanor is different
than if you get it back and you're down eighty points.
You're like, hey man, we're one score away. Now, it's
like you're down nine. Even if you go down and score,
you know you're gonna have to do it again.

Speaker 5 (07:07):
I don't get it.

Speaker 4 (07:08):
I'm sure there'll be someone who calls in and dismissively
just gives us the well, you want to know what
you need? That that line, which I still I'm with you, guys.

Speaker 5 (07:15):
I don't get it. I don't get it.

Speaker 4 (07:17):
Get within one score, and like you said, Hardy, have
the momentum.

Speaker 5 (07:20):
If you score again and then get the two pointer.

Speaker 1 (07:21):
And to any time you've you know, you can point
to it as a success and someone will inevitably bring
up the Super Bowl. Well, you know, you go for it.
You go for two early enough. You see what happened.
Tom Brady ain't back there. That's number one and number two.
It is not a three or four score game.

Speaker 3 (07:38):
It's a two score the twos in the Super Bowl
with necessity, they were down sixteen. They needed two touchdowns
and two two's.

Speaker 1 (07:44):
Yes, but.

Speaker 3 (07:46):
We're gonna get to this a little bit more. But
I will just say I understand, and this is I
love the way Mike said it. Someone's gonna call in
and you can disagree with me all you want. I
don't care, but Mike said it perfectly. Going to call
in and dismissively tell us why we're wrong, and it
drives me insane. I'm not I'm not gonna dismissively tell

(08:08):
you you're wrong, but I'm gonna give you a lot of
reasons why I think it was wrong to go for two.

Speaker 8 (08:13):
There.

Speaker 3 (08:14):
You know again, we'll we'll get into it, but I
understand it's not easier to get the two point conversion
in the final seconds than it would be to get
it when you get as long as you will submit
for me that it wasn't easier to get it when
they went for it with eight minutes and twenty two
seconds left.

Speaker 1 (08:31):
Like that's the whole thing.

Speaker 3 (08:32):
These analytics guys tell you, Why is it easier to
get it in the final minute? Then if you don't
get it, the game's over. Well I got news for you.
When you didn't get that with eight twenty two left,
the game was old.

Speaker 1 (08:41):
Game was over. Yeah, I'd rather d the game late
as opposed to earlier.

Speaker 3 (08:46):
I would rather make the other team have to make
you know this is game on the line.

Speaker 1 (08:51):
One play and do you believe it? Yeah? Do you
believe in momentum? Do you believe it is at Mike's point? Absolutely?

Speaker 3 (08:57):
So this is a trickle down effective things that happened.
You ended up after that with a fourth and twenty six.
You still had two timeouts left about two twenty five
left in the half, So you had two timeouts in
the two minute warning on fourth and twenty six. Had
you only been down eight at the time, hardy.

Speaker 9 (09:15):
Yes, you could have punted to see if you could
get a three and out usually two timeouts in the
two minute warning and get the ball back with two
minutes left.

Speaker 1 (09:26):
Down eight. You can't do that.

Speaker 3 (09:27):
But down down nine, don nine, We got to go
for fourth and twenty six.

Speaker 5 (09:31):
But you don't know what you're gonna need.

Speaker 3 (09:33):
But but the good news was they knew what they needed.

Speaker 5 (09:37):
I know they needed at least you knew.

Speaker 1 (09:40):
At least you know.

Speaker 3 (09:41):
And again you might put it perfectly. Someone's gonna tell
us why we're stupid, and that's fine.

Speaker 1 (09:46):
Like I get it.

Speaker 3 (09:47):
I just don't explain to me the reason. Like I
understand what your reason is. I disagree with it, like
it's Chris Rose did it during the games like this,
you know at some point is there gonna be a
two point conversion classic. I understand all the reasons that
people say. I can live with the down fourteen thing.

(10:08):
Down fourteen in the fourth quarter. A lot of teams now,
when you get that first touchdown, you go for two
because you're trying to win in regulation. If I can
get the first one, then I can kick it on
the second one and win. I don't agree with it,
but I understand that at least I'm still within a score.
The nine point thing, to me is indefensible.

Speaker 4 (10:27):
That's it, the nine point And that's such a difference
between eight points and nine points for the team's point
of view at the end of the game, like you're
down by eight, you just need a play it, really,
like you know you're gonna be right in it with
a play. My mindset down nine is completely different if
I'm an offensive player.

Speaker 3 (10:42):
I'm gonna be honest. I watched the last three quarters
of that game. Had the Pigeons kicked the extra point
and got within eight, do I think that they would
have had a chance. No, I think that they got
thoroughly blasted on that last drive. Like, I don't think
they would have had a better chance to get a
three and out if they were only down eight than nine.
But I would have liked to have gotten the ball

(11:02):
back at the end down one score instead of two.

Speaker 1 (11:05):
It would have been more. Yeah, got that too much,
that's all. No, that's it, that's it. That's it. That's
all we really wanted. So we'll get to your phone
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it's the good, it's the bad, it's the injured. Were
still calling it that. Now it's time for the good.

Speaker 2 (11:27):
But goody, pretty good, the bad, and the injured.

Speaker 3 (11:34):
Ah ah, you are right, guy, Good, the bad, and
the injured, brought to you by the good players, the
bad players, and the injured players.

Speaker 1 (11:44):
In today's thirty two to sixteen loss to the Jaguars
in London, Hardy filling in for Matt Smith or Paul Parbrello,
Mike dess as the honor of leading us off on
the lengthy good list. Mike, where will you start?

Speaker 5 (11:56):
I'm gonna start with Drake May. I'm gonna put him
on there. Great start.

Speaker 4 (11:59):
I mean, I think it's more of a an overall thing.
I mean, they know they lost the game, but didn't
turn the ball over today. I thought there were some
strides with that, and there were a couple we can
probably say those a little close, which I'll take though.
I'll take close, going from you know, four turnervers who
was last week to none that it's just close ones.

Speaker 5 (12:16):
But I just was impressed with how comfortable he looked
out there.

Speaker 4 (12:18):
I thought that was just to me, especially right out
of the gate, it was like, man, this this kid
really looks like he's settling in a little bit. Had
some some nice pockets at times, you know, didn't really
get himself into much trouble. I'm sure of all this stuff,
we can probably go through and find a play here,
play there where. It wasn't quite perfect for him, but
you know, went quiet for a long time with the offense.

(12:39):
I kind of put that a little bit more on
the play calling when all of a sudden, we're trying
to run the ball a little more. I love they
came out, they were throwing the ball. Wanted to see
them kind of pick that back up, hit a few
big passing plays at the end with their with their
last scoring drive that they had. So I just thought,
in a bubble, Drake, may this throw You're scene right
here to Hunter Henry, right on him, you know, throwing
it right as he's coming out of the break. So
I just thought it was a real nice developmental day

(13:01):
from Drake. I wish that the defense could have given
him some extra opportunities, gotten some more stops maybe than
we would have seen even more out of him, but
in the limited action that he was able to kind
of sling it out there. I liked what I saw
from him.

Speaker 3 (13:12):
So I had may on my list as well. Some
of the things that Mike said of the reasons too.
You know, when I was doing my chin wag, yeah
on my.

Speaker 1 (13:20):
Shows, Yeah, on one of your shows.

Speaker 3 (13:22):
Yeah, Chris Gasper actually asked me, you know, what are
you looking for for Drake Maye today? What kind of
strides would you like to see? And you know, I
dismissed like the turnover thing, because like obviously, no one
wants to see their quarterback turning the ball over. But
I said, I'd like to see him look a little
bit more settled and comfortable, especially early in the game.
In the pocket, Mike just talked about it. I thought

(13:43):
we really saw that. I thought he was real. He
looked really comfortable with the game plan, and I thought
he didn't look like he was running around into pressure
as much early, especially early in this game, as he
did last week. Now, the turnover thing is is kind
of circumstantial to you know, Mike alluded to it. He

(14:03):
threw a couple of he had both about three turnover
worth he plays two flat out dropped interceptions. So how
much differently do you look at the game if he
had two interceptions, Probably a little bit, but I would
stay with the same. I thought he looked more settled,
more in charge of the offense. You know, you see
the difference on some of the balls downfield. You know,

(14:24):
the ball to Booty was a really really nice throw.
So yeah, I had Drake May on my good list too.

Speaker 1 (14:30):
I had him on there for a reason that I
will I will tag here when it's my turn to
go for the U for the good list. But yeah,
twenty six and thirty seven for the two hundred and
seventy six yards, the two touchdowns, no picks, a couple
that were real close, but some of the some of
the game stuff that you're talking about, Paul, the ability
to recognize at this point, I could just throw the

(14:51):
ball at the at the feet of my running back
here a great uh and and and and get away
with an incompletion here as opposed to a loss. Stuff
like that. Good, Okay, I'll take it. We'll put him
on the good list, all right.

Speaker 3 (15:03):
Again, second game, if this is like second game of
his third season, and again, all of the productions coming
when the game's over. I'm not as forgiving, you know,
but that play that he made right before the touchdown
to Osborne, that's a really really good play.

Speaker 1 (15:20):
That's a savvy veteran play.

Speaker 3 (15:22):
I'm going to roll out here, he's going to get me,
but I got to back right there. I'm going to
backhand it right at his feet, live to fight another down.

Speaker 1 (15:29):
That was a really, really good play. I'm glad I
was a student enough to recognize it and bring it
up and somehow be elevated in the eyes of Paul.
You got a little ball knower and thing or two
about a thing or two? What's your first good Paul ball?
All right?

Speaker 3 (15:46):
So kind of in line with that is I'm going
to give Alex van Pelt in the coaching staff a
lot of credit for breaking the mold like they they
broke that start thing that we're talking about, first drive
touchdown in how many games like since Pittsburgh last year?

Speaker 1 (16:03):
I think. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (16:06):
So I thought their opening script was was incredible. It
really had Jacksonville looking like every bit the team that
had to quit against Chicago last week. So I thought
everything that they did, they came out throwing the ball
I think they threw it on something like six of
the first seven plays. Something, you know, something in that neighborhood.
They got may comfortable right away in a mix too,

(16:27):
not just like bombing away some some downfield throw, some
underneath stuff, some quick, some a little bit slower developing,
and you know, unfortunately, when that script was up, uh,
the offense went went south. But I just thought the
opening game plan. You know, they usually script about fifteen plays,
and it let's see, what were the two scoring drives

(16:48):
eleven and twelve, So that's you know, it was twenty
three plays that that opening script obviously was very effective.
I want to give alexaman Pelt a little credit.

Speaker 1 (16:56):
That was my That was my first good the the
opening drive. And you know, we've seen it for years.
I used to kind of lament the fact that, even
when Tom Brady was here, you'd have that amazing opening drive,
you'd have the scripted plays, the ten twelve plays to
get you downfield score, and then things would stall and
I could never wrap my head around our defenses figuring

(17:18):
things out that early in the game. But is that
really all you came in with in terms of your
whole plan? That's your whole plan. Get her. You know
you're gonna come out with an opening drive and not
have much planned after that, but we've been lacking even
that for what seems like a while. I was happy
to see it return. Part of my Drake May good
came on how good things looked and that on those

(17:40):
opening two drives, and Drake may went beyond that and
played well beyond that for portions beyond those opening drives.
So he belongs, I think, on the good list anyway.
But kudos to both Vampelt and to the Patriots offense
for figuring things out and coming out with the league,
which is one of the things we wanted. That's one

(18:02):
of the things I think we universally want to get
out there. Score first play with the lead. See how
that works out for you. We know how it did,
but you know that's another story for another time. Yeah,
all right, I got Hardy.

Speaker 5 (18:12):
Yeah, you want to put somebody on here.

Speaker 1 (18:14):
Well, the opening drive was mine, so Paul took mine,
so I'll go to my second. That was Hunter Henry. Yeah,
Hunter Henry eight catches on nine target targets for ninety
two yards. He has become, you know, the only thing
close to dependable in terms of a target for Drake May.
And you know there there was the one off side

(18:36):
penalty that you really you can't afford, especially if you're
Hunter Henry. You're a veteran. You you can't not know
the snap count. I get it. That was you could
see drop Mail was really frustrated with Henry after that call.
But in terms of being a weapon, he's he's it.
He's it in terms of somebody that that Drake May
can can look forward to to come down with a

(18:58):
catch and help you move the chains little bit. So
Hunter Henry was my first good yeahs almost.

Speaker 4 (19:02):
I mean it's a kind of a cliche, the veteran
tight end of you know, supporting the rookie quarterback. But
some big catches for Hunter Henry. Another big, big game
for him, ninety something yards receiving.

Speaker 5 (19:11):
So yeah, he's uh, he's been.

Speaker 4 (19:13):
The safety blanket and hopefully that that relationship can continue to.

Speaker 3 (19:17):
Deep one down the scene that that catch was sick. Yeah, yeah,
he was covered like a blanket on that play. Kind
of head topped Darnell Savage. Yeah yeah, I mean he's
been he's been really good and he was really good today.

Speaker 1 (19:29):
All Right, what else he got dos.

Speaker 4 (19:31):
Oh, come on, kid, I got nothing else.

Speaker 1 (19:34):
Come on, I got nothing else. Come hold on.

Speaker 5 (19:37):
Usually Paul's got some nuance the second court.

Speaker 1 (19:40):
No, he checked out.

Speaker 3 (19:41):
See the list, I checked all the three off the goods,
the goods over here.

Speaker 5 (19:44):
Yeah, yeah, no, that's that was it. I mean, where
else where else you're gonna point to.

Speaker 4 (19:51):
Joey Slide did make all his kicks though, didn't he?

Speaker 1 (19:54):
Yeah, let's put him on the good list.

Speaker 3 (19:56):
I mean, I guess if you wanted to just sort
of like, you know, individual play, you know, like Hasty
makes a nice little catch and run for the touchdown,
but like we're talking about.

Speaker 1 (20:04):
Play like play, right, Yeah, I get it's not enough.
It's not enough. All right, let's get to it. Deuce. Yeah,
you're up again.

Speaker 4 (20:15):
I mean, first bad take your pick on the defense.
I mean I don't I don't know where to where
to point the finger. I guess I'm just gonna start
by point at the coaching. I just think like it's
it's a it's a big thing. I'm not even really
going to pick on too many individual defensive defensive players.
But this is everything that's been happening in the last
couple of weeks and they look powerless to stop it.
They got run over for one hundred and fifty yards
plus third week in a row. They just they they

(20:38):
had no answers today. I mean, at one point we
looked at Paul and he said, really, the only plays
they made to a certain point were just in completions
that you know, Jacksonville kind of dropped or like, you.

Speaker 3 (20:48):
Know, Lawrence throws one off of Kyle Kyle Douglas face
mask for one incompletion, Tank Bigsby drops a screen for
another one. You know, Christian Kirk, you know, may may
not have gotten that second footage bounds. Like, they didn't
have any like failed plays, you know, until like until
Jacksonville inexplicably decided not to make it a three score

(21:09):
game and and went forward on fourth in less than
a yard and then the Patriots stopped him.

Speaker 6 (21:14):
That was it.

Speaker 4 (21:15):
Yeah, they nothing. I mean, a couple of those red
zone stops. You could look at the stats and say
those looked okay, But I mean after that first you
know drive, they didn't focut the f stops.

Speaker 3 (21:23):
On eleven minute, twenty two second dry they don't do
much for.

Speaker 4 (21:27):
Him, and that points to it. I mean you know
that eleven minute drive. It's this is where the game's
in the balance. This is where you're you're kind of
scrapping your way back into it, or you're holding on
by a thread. At least they couldn't make the plays.

Speaker 5 (21:37):
They can't.

Speaker 4 (21:38):
You know, were there any real like pressure, was there
any you know, there's none of that. Like we said,
with the run defense especially, I guess I'll put that
in the crossairs at the top too. It's just you're
not gonna win football games if you can't stop the run.

Speaker 1 (21:50):
The defense, the pass defense. You know, just as a
collector may have been up there too, but Trevor Lawrence
only attempted twenty passes. They didn't have to twenty passes
one night.

Speaker 5 (22:00):
It was just like.

Speaker 4 (22:02):
It felt like at a certain point, every time they
get the ball, even when it was competitive.

Speaker 5 (22:07):
They were getting four or five six.

Speaker 3 (22:08):
Do you feel like if Jacksonville decided to do what
they did, you know, like there was one stage in
the fourth quarter, I think they ran the ball something like.

Speaker 1 (22:15):
Eighteen straight plays.

Speaker 3 (22:16):
Do you feel like if they threw it eighteen straight
plays the results have been the same, Probably because I do.

Speaker 1 (22:20):
No, Yeah, I mean that's all they wanted.

Speaker 4 (22:23):
It looked all day like that, and I mean, I
just I mean, like, let's call it what it is.

Speaker 5 (22:26):
That looked to me like.

Speaker 4 (22:27):
The worst defense in the NFL out there on the
field today.

Speaker 3 (22:30):
Like that has to hurt, Mike, It does hurt.

Speaker 4 (22:32):
But you know what, I'm a fan of extremes though,
so it's gonna be.

Speaker 1 (22:36):
Bad, reactionary extreme, Like I don't.

Speaker 5 (22:39):
Want it to just be like, well, it was bad,
but it wasn't.

Speaker 4 (22:41):
Like if you're gonna be bad, you gotta be really bad,
and they were.

Speaker 3 (22:43):
I agree with everything Mike said. I don't have any
defensive defensively, just you have it.

Speaker 1 (22:48):
We have added ball. No, don't sell yourself short. We
both added to it. But it's time to move on.
We have a lot to get to it.

Speaker 3 (22:54):
This stacred and sixty four yards and like, I think
it could have been more than you kept. You know,
they lost a possession with the with the bunt return.
Otherwise that would have been another ninety yards drive.

Speaker 4 (23:06):
I mean, there was four and a half a running play,
but it seemed like that's low.

Speaker 1 (23:09):
I mean, because it got off to.

Speaker 3 (23:11):
A reasonable like the first couple of runs were stuffed.
I thought they came out, you know, the first I
think the first drive that was a three and out.
They it was like run, run, and they got nothing.
And then all of a sudden it changed, and it
changed because they started throwing the ball on them and
once they had success throwing the ball.

Speaker 4 (23:29):
I just I get the feeling that all of a sudden,
we might see a shift this week, especially on you
guys's shows, which I guess I'm kind of part of
it now too, so yeah, on our shows, on our
on our show.

Speaker 5 (23:39):
But it's it's it's wow.

Speaker 4 (23:40):
The offense, I mean, and it wasn't it wasn't an absolute,
you know, disaster for Drake May. And then the protection
and now everyone's going to come for the defense and
what that means and why I got this bad and all.
I mean, it's already I just want to make a pout.

Speaker 1 (23:52):
The offense crossairs a little bit.

Speaker 3 (23:55):
I would have wholeheartedly agreed that with Drake May playing,
it's different, so I look at it different. I had
Drake May on my good list. I agree with everything
that Mike said about Drake May. The bottom line is
the offense, this is now two weeks in a row,
has been very similar in production to.

Speaker 1 (24:10):
What it was.

Speaker 3 (24:11):
Yes, they don't score, they don't move the ball like
consistently for the game. Again, your sub three hundred yards
of total offense this week was even I think more
glaring than last week in terms of you piled up
about one hundred yards that were meaningless. At least last
week there was more time left when you scored. You know,
this week it was kind of like you just get

(24:32):
up an eleven and a half minute drive. You haven't
done anything since the first quarter, and all of a sudden,
you have a thirty two yard scene route to Hunter
Henry that he makes an unbelievable catch on, followed by
a thirty three yard pass to Kaishan Boody. They did
nothing basically for the last three quarters of this game.

Speaker 5 (24:50):
That's a great preemptive strike. I feel like everyone's just.

Speaker 4 (24:52):
Sick of talking, but everybody no, no, Today they're going
to be like, now it's time, we're going to kill
this defense.

Speaker 3 (24:57):
And the difference to me today from last week is
today you got off to a really good start offensively,
You were really really.

Speaker 1 (25:02):
Good in the first quarter. You set the defense up
for success.

Speaker 3 (25:06):
The defense let you down today, whereas last week, the
defense kind of got hung out to drive by the turnaments.

Speaker 5 (25:11):
Sure you know you didn't do that and they.

Speaker 3 (25:14):
But this to me was every bit as bad as
last week defensively, and the offense helped them early on.
So yeah, there was just nothing really good.

Speaker 5 (25:23):
They can't get off the field.

Speaker 3 (25:24):
They can't get off the field. But was it six
for ten seam worse than that one drive? That eleven
minute drive had like three or so right in a row.
There are down conversions?

Speaker 5 (25:33):
Yeah, three.

Speaker 1 (25:35):
Yeah, we're supposed to be doing the good list here, guys,
come on, you know we're doing the bad list. Oh
that's right, the bad list. Sorry, I'm sorry, but we
got off the good list so quickly I couldn't even
believe we're already onder the bad list. All right, So
I defense.

Speaker 5 (25:46):
A lot of a lot of that at all.

Speaker 1 (25:49):
Okay, so everything encompassing the defense, But when you're talking
about offensively and and you know where things go wrong
beyond that on that first drive, because on the first drive,
multiple receivers targeted, you know, multiple players employed involved. Absolutely,

(26:10):
But if you're going to start going bad on the offense,
ball not that this is your first, bab, but I'm
curious as to where you start.

Speaker 3 (26:17):
I would start with Jalen Polk, I you know, and
this is he's a rookie, and I get it. And
right there, I had a whole thing this week, you know,
and I I'm not like the kids played now seven games.
I'm not out on Jalen Polk. I'm still not out
on them, but it's not trending in the right direction.
And I was a little troubled Mike By and Mike

(26:39):
and I talked about this during the weekend. I was
very surprised that Mike agreed with me on this because
it's something that normally we would odds and he's a contrarian.

Speaker 10 (26:47):
He is.

Speaker 1 (26:50):
See.

Speaker 3 (26:53):
So there was a couple of things, and I mentioned,
you know, he had the clips that he's like, you know,
putting up about the referees of screwing them, you know,
with these plays that are clearly out of bounds. Right,
And then he and I went back to that comment,
like he got really mad at the fans because they're
not with them. You know, if they're not with us,
we don't want them, you know, Like he haven't played

(27:14):
a game yet, bro right, you know. And now the
most recent thing, which at the time I made this
rant that I'm talking about with Mike, I didn't even
know about yet because it hadn't happened. Gerd Meos says, yeah,
you know, he's he's fighting it a little bit. He's
got a mental hurdle he's probably got to need to
get over a little bit after the drops last week.

Speaker 1 (27:32):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (27:32):
He responds by saying, I don't have any mental issues.
I had the best hands in football. Then he goes
out and drops the first two balls thrown in his
direction today.

Speaker 1 (27:40):
Correct, So two things about that bothered me. Number one
is the best hands in football thing. There's one thing
to have confidence. Then there's one thing to just you know, speak,
you know. And Mike Jusso ask hyperbole, right, I mean
that's crazy. But the fact that he can't make a
distinction between his head coach saying something as a knock
you is you got a mental block there and him

(28:02):
taking it as I'm not crazy, I'm out. I don't
have anything meant not really soft. Yeah, what do you
call me like some kind of mental defective air? No, no, no, no,
one's saying that, Jalen. That is not at all what
is being said about you but to take it so
personally and to take it so seriously where he's trying
to help. He's trying to help you. He's saying you're

(28:25):
a good player. He's saying you've got good hands. It's
just a little little confidence iss you get over that.
You should be taking that as a positive as opposed
to getting your feathers ruffled over it. To me, that
really says to me that.

Speaker 3 (28:39):
That validated with Mike and I were talking about during
the week when he had that comment about Mail, like,
you know, I'm not Yeah, I don't have any mental problems,
So I think it We figured it out last week.
It was ten catches on twenty three targets or something
like that. So he was zero for three today, three targets.

Speaker 1 (28:58):
No catches.

Speaker 3 (29:00):
That doesn't count the two point conversion that he slips
and falls on.

Speaker 1 (29:02):
Yep, it was. It was a slippery field.

Speaker 5 (29:06):
It was.

Speaker 3 (29:06):
It was so he's he's just not he's not been
reliable for them. And I thought if there was one
word I could I could put on him out of
training camp. Mike knows that I'm not wasn't super super
high on him. But the one thing I would say
that I was oppressed with was his reliability. He was dependable.
You threw it to him, he caught it. It wasn't

(29:27):
always the biggest gains, but he caught it. Right now,
we're having problems making connections with him. The off field
stuff is a concern with him. He's trending in the
wrong direction.

Speaker 4 (29:37):
What hurts is you need him right now, and that's
you know, you're not going to get very far with
just Hunter Henry and Sorry Douglas to catch his fourteen yards.
I don't know if they gave him any specific attention.
I know he was kind of in and out during
the game, which is something with Douglas.

Speaker 3 (29:49):
Douglas, Yeah, he had an illness and I should mention
that Polk ended up not finishing the game with the
head injury injury and they declared him late in the
game as being out for the game.

Speaker 1 (30:01):
So I don't know what's.

Speaker 4 (30:02):
Going just they need that guy though, They need somebody
on the outside, and I mean, you're not going to
be able to get it done with just a tight
end and a slot receiver, and they're waiting for one
of these guys to step up. Booty's one big catch
a game. That's that's not gonna. He wasn't making happen.

Speaker 3 (30:15):
He wasn't open today. A couple of times they looked
his way. One of them was got erased by a penalty.
But the one time he got open, he made the
playdown the field. But there was a couple of balls
thrown in his general direction. I don't know if they
were necessarily targeted to him, but he didn't look like
he was as open today as he was at times
last week.

Speaker 1 (30:34):
Yeah, I think they need somebody else.

Speaker 4 (30:36):
They need, they need a receiver to step up.

Speaker 1 (30:38):
Okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna throw one out here on
the bad list, and I want you guys to explain
to me why it's not all that bad or why
I'm looking at it the wrong way. Okay, but I
have Ramandria Stevenson on my bad list today. Okay, I
won't necessarily push back on it, but this is a
case of you know, and we've talked about this many
times over the years. Philosophically, we're looking at is from

(31:00):
a very patriot centric standpoint of the game. If you're
watching this game as a neutral observer, do you say
Ramandre Stevenson had a bad game or the Jacksonville run
defense was very good. I get it.

Speaker 3 (31:14):
He got a little existential crisis there that you got
going on.

Speaker 1 (31:17):
Because what more did you both? What more did you
want him to do today that he didn't do. It's
not like you fumbled the ball, No, you know, it's
it's not like he was running backwards and trying to improvise.
There was There were plenty of instances today. There was
just nowhere for him to go.

Speaker 3 (31:36):
I would agree with that, Mike. Do you he wasn't
necessarily on my list, but I'm not necessary. I don't
think it was like a what are you crazy? He
had a great game?

Speaker 1 (31:44):
No, Kevin seven for eighteen. That's kind of how I
felt about thirty eight rushing yards total for the team
to day.

Speaker 4 (31:49):
It was just kind of it was kind of how
I felt about the defense to where it was just
like eighteen of them from dr a bad effort.

Speaker 1 (31:55):
Yeah, your running backs combined for twenty yards today.

Speaker 4 (31:58):
Yeah, I mean the game, which is weird because you thought,
I don't believe it.

Speaker 1 (32:03):
Look at that it's over here for me.

Speaker 5 (32:06):
I mean, you would have thought after they got out to.

Speaker 4 (32:07):
A ten point lead that they'd have more than fifteen
carries in the whole game, you know.

Speaker 3 (32:11):
Yeah, but they couldn't they couldn't run the ball. I
think that they I think they wanted to throw it
to get a lead Mike and get off to a
good start with Drake May, and then they wanted to
sort of mix in the run.

Speaker 1 (32:21):
And you had mentioned in the middle of your your
Drake May boosh that the play call.

Speaker 3 (32:28):
I didn't think there was really anything wrong with play
calling today. I just don't think they executed it all
in the last three quests.

Speaker 4 (32:34):
It might have literally just boiled down to a couple
like first and second down throws on those middle possessions
where they ended up having a punk where it.

Speaker 3 (32:40):
Just felt like he got a little wild in the.

Speaker 5 (32:43):
You know, there was a couple I mean there was
one driver. They went backwards.

Speaker 4 (32:45):
I think that might have been the first punt to day,
like even the field goal.

Speaker 3 (32:48):
The field goal drive, I thought he had borne coming
across and you kind of threw a wobbler that looked
like he came out of his hand a little funny,
a little bit out in front of him. I thought
it could have been caught, but it wasn't a great throw.
I thought he got a little a little way, but
yeah they did. They didn't run the ball well at
all today, not all where else.

Speaker 1 (33:05):
You want to go on the bad list their duce.

Speaker 4 (33:06):
Ah God, I feel like I'm just so mad at
the defense. Can I go back to them again?

Speaker 1 (33:10):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (33:10):
Yeah, No, I just big plays, big plays again. And
that's I mean, maybe it's under the same umbrella as
what I said earlier.

Speaker 3 (33:17):
But the bomb was a big, big play in the
game momentum.

Speaker 4 (33:20):
Yeah, I mean, it's just they can't stop the big plays.

Speaker 5 (33:23):
And that's you know when.

Speaker 4 (33:24):
You just you talk about fundamental defense hardy when you're
team up in the pregame show, and that's you know,
it's one thing to be bad at tackling, but then
if you start giving up big plays, it's just it's
pick your poison right now. In a bad way for
the Patriots defense, they can't get off blocks, they can't
make tackles for losses in the run game, you know,
they can't really put the offense in it, you know,
in bad situations. Everything just felt like the whole game

(33:46):
from that first possession on was Trevor Lawrence and the
Jags kind of dictating what they wanted to do. And
oh yeah, they got a penalty, so all right, a
little all right, but they just made it right back okay,
in another eight yard run.

Speaker 5 (33:56):
So so big yard big plays.

Speaker 1 (33:57):
The bomb the past to Thomas fifty eight yards, okay,
which which set up the second.

Speaker 5 (34:03):
I mean, let's put Gonzo in there. Maybe we can
put gonzwn I.

Speaker 3 (34:05):
Had zero bomb, you know, you know that whole that
whole sequence, because that's a six play, eighty eighty two.

Speaker 1 (34:11):
Yard drive something like that. Watching it in real times
for eighty two, I had the same thought that you did, Paul,
which was the coverage wasn't bad on that? Yeah? Then
I saw the replay and then you see that Tomas
he gets he gets behind him, and let's let's give
Trevor Lawrence credit here. Throw what a pass? Yeah, good
throw in good catch, Yeah, good throw, good catch. But

(34:32):
that is the momentum changer for that game. You jump
out to a ton nothing lead, and after that pass,
you put the Jags in position to take the lead
fourteen to ten.

Speaker 3 (34:42):
I agree, and that's it. That's I mean, that's a
good throw too. To Christian Kirk, you know, I thought,
like I said, I thought, if if Jacksonville wanted to
make this, you know, like a forty forty pass attempt game.
I think it would have been thirty two to sixteen. Yeah,
you know, like I just think they could have done
whatever they wanted. And that was too easy, by the way.

Speaker 1 (35:01):
That was that the.

Speaker 3 (35:02):
First touchdown, the one to thomasin right in the middle,
that was way too easy. He was wide open right
off the snap. You could see it on the on
the television screen.

Speaker 5 (35:09):
You didn't need the ALL twenty two.

Speaker 1 (35:10):
I didn't need the ALL twenty two.

Speaker 3 (35:11):
I just needed two eyes and needed too, not twenty two.

Speaker 5 (35:15):
There it comes there.

Speaker 1 (35:17):
Oh man.

Speaker 3 (35:18):
So like you watch that, you see like like see
here's where you can see how much he gets beat by. Look,
that's a lot of separation right there.

Speaker 1 (35:25):
Yeah, that's two folds, you know. And if I think if.

Speaker 3 (35:27):
The throw the throw was the throw was pretty good,
but I think if the throw was more toward the
middle of the field, he might catch that in stride.

Speaker 4 (35:34):
And uh, it's a lot on Gonzalez right now, but
they need they need more from him, I mean the
last couple of weeks. I mean, if they're going to
be this bad on defense, you just have to be
able to count on something and right now he's just,
you know, a little bit off.

Speaker 5 (35:46):
With these really good receivers.

Speaker 4 (35:48):
Digs last week on the touchdown, similar kind of plate
this week. Brian Thomas, who's the youngster. Brian Thomas just
kind of had the edge on them all day.

Speaker 1 (35:56):
And unfortunately for Gonzales, it's not like things got easier
for him within the division this pass.

Speaker 4 (36:02):
Why did someone get a new star receives.

Speaker 1 (36:04):
He's a couple of couple of teams, a couple of
guys worried about that.

Speaker 3 (36:07):
And I keep saying the same thing with Gonzales, And
I know people think I'm a broken record, and I am,
But when I see the locked up one on one,
I see that a lot, and I wonder if that's
why they don't lock him up one on one with
the other team's best receiver. I know the announcers say
it every week, but Evan comes in every Tuesday and
tells me that that's not the case. He comes in
with numbers of how many times he's man to man

(36:29):
on the other team's number one receiver, and it's not
anywhere near as often as it's sort of made out
to be. In the aftermath of these games, you know.
I mean, you had someone on Twitter today claim that
Michael Winnu allowed his first sack of the season as
a tackle. I'm like, I'm sorry, that's not true. Like,
I don't care if you credited him with giving up
a tackle. He's given up tons of pressures and tackle

(36:52):
in sacks.

Speaker 1 (36:53):
I thought it was his year. I was pronounced I knew,
which is how I heard on the telecast today or
something else along with City Sue.

Speaker 3 (37:00):
So, so, do you have a bad that you would
like to contribute to this?

Speaker 1 (37:08):
I got a special teams. I mean, ninety six returns not.

Speaker 3 (37:11):
Great, So I would add to that ninety six yard
part return, which obviously is completely unacceptable. But then you
go offside on the extra point which allows them to
go for two.

Speaker 1 (37:23):
I that's a that's quite a little.

Speaker 5 (37:26):
That's a a double whimmy.

Speaker 1 (37:29):
Quite a little double whimmy. That's pop pop bang. It's
I miss Hardy. Sorry Matt. By the way, Matt Smith
calling in today for the pregame. Great to have him here.
And Matt Smith will of course return and we will
have the interim host back next week presonably. Matt Smith
is the internmost that's right, that's right.

Speaker 3 (37:51):
No, in all seriousness, I know he's not listening, but
I'll say it anyway. He's doing a great job and
we're having uh, we're having some fun. Mike and I
have pull the fun out of him, you know what,
he wanted to be really serious at first. We're trying
to rip the fun right out.

Speaker 1 (38:05):
Of Let's rewind a little bit. Let's put Matt Smith
on the good list. You know what, he gives good phone.

Speaker 5 (38:17):
What was that?

Speaker 4 (38:18):
I don't have any other bads? No, I mean, oh,
you have any other bads. I could spend the next
hour talking about how bad the defense was.

Speaker 3 (38:24):
But yeah, so yeah, we I think we exhausted the
decision to go for two, right, Oh yeah, I think
I think that I hated the game with eight twenty
two left, I think.

Speaker 1 (38:34):
That doesn't even necessarily belong on this show talking about
in the game because I hate it in general and
eate hate it.

Speaker 3 (38:41):
Fourth and three from their own thirty seven early in
the second half.

Speaker 1 (38:45):
I believe they do the fa coctai. We're going to
try to draw him off.

Speaker 5 (38:49):
Nobody's buying nesting anymore?

Speaker 1 (38:53):
Oh that old gag? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (38:56):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (38:58):
Is it? No? No, we're not doing it. We're not
doing it all right. Injuries, Robinson went down early.

Speaker 5 (39:06):
Yeah, he went out. Gibson was out.

Speaker 3 (39:09):
Gibson came back, but he was out quick. I don't
think Robinson came back though.

Speaker 1 (39:14):
I think it looks like an ankle so so soon.

Speaker 3 (39:17):
Yeah, daniel Lequale, I wouldn't be surprised if we're hearing head.

Speaker 1 (39:22):
Yeah, did he ever come back?

Speaker 5 (39:23):
I didn't see him.

Speaker 3 (39:24):
He took a good There was that eleven minute drive.
He was involved in one of those run stuffs at
the end inside the ten and.

Speaker 1 (39:33):
He took a good hit. Pop Douglas. Watch is that's
not it?

Speaker 5 (39:37):
I don't know what happened with Douglas.

Speaker 3 (39:39):
Well, he wasn't that's not out of broadcast either.

Speaker 1 (39:44):
He was sick, and then he wasn't sick because he
was in the game, and then he got sick again.

Speaker 3 (39:48):
Yeah, So I don't know, Like i'd be curious to
see what his snaps are, the snap total. I don't
think that will be out yet. But yeah, I didn't
really notice that he was because the Patriots possessed the
balls so infrequently in that sort of stretch from the
second quarter through the ten minute mark or the fourth quarter,
they almost never had the ball, so I didn't realize

(40:11):
how infrequently Douglas was on the field, but I guess
he was dealing.

Speaker 1 (40:16):
Steve Weisch said he was dealing with an injury. You
think about Jalen Polk we mentioned and how much time
they possessed the ball on their on their first two
possessions which went for scores and then crazy, the time
of possession ends up being thirty three fifteen versus twenty
six forty five for the Patriots, So that tells you
how much they possessed the ball after those scoring drugs.

Speaker 5 (40:36):
Just figure that out. That was something you were like,
this is great there.

Speaker 4 (40:39):
The time possession is crazy on the Patriots side, and
then it just completely swung.

Speaker 1 (40:43):
I'm looking at my watch him like I'm going to
be I'm going to be a home in time for
a late lunch.

Speaker 5 (40:48):
All right?

Speaker 1 (40:48):
No, okayr it is souper weird?

Speaker 5 (40:51):
Is supper on Sundays?

Speaker 1 (40:53):
No, we don't do that. Supper dog has suppered for
some reason. We call it supper for the dog. Really, yeah,
breakfast and supper? Did she ever supper? All right? Because
it's early, it's five o'clocks, you know, what that little
SCAMPI start asking for her supper thirty.

Speaker 5 (41:14):
Yeah, it's too early.

Speaker 1 (41:16):
Elder dog dog gone, No, she's not elderly. How dare
you what a card? Mike? You're an absolute caution.

Speaker 3 (41:27):
Paul, You're a panic and I hate when I'm not involved.

Speaker 5 (41:32):
But we just haven't gotten to buy you quote. That's
the only thing we haven't. We haven't checked that one yet.

Speaker 1 (41:36):
But oh well, I got the booty ran by you
though I did it. I was gonna say, but I
was watching the game separately from YouTube. Uh Tamara and
I went in and watched it on an actual, big
size television. But I did hear the service of not
making the buy you joke. When you know what that
she did chat Hunter Henry passed on the scene. You

(41:57):
know what that allowed me to do, Mike, is to
end my streak, oh of playing the trend.

Speaker 4 (42:03):
Oh there you go, good one.

Speaker 11 (42:05):
Pa.

Speaker 5 (42:05):
I appreciate you on that one, because I don't know
we you did? You did? I'll I owe you, I
owe you one.

Speaker 1 (42:12):
Let's take some phone calls here eight five five pats
five hundred, get the emails rolling in here to podcasts
plural at Patriots dot com. We'll go to Kevin in
Nashville to get us started here on the Patriots postgame show,
which is presented by DraftKings. Go ahead, what do you
got for us? Kevin?

Speaker 12 (42:29):
Hey?

Speaker 13 (42:29):
Can I just rip like two or three tanks real quick?

Speaker 4 (42:31):
Yeah?

Speaker 13 (42:34):
Already took the tea back. You're way better than that nofense, Matt, No,
that's not it is true anyway, Jalen Polk can't catch
a ball. That's very unfortunate. Also, Juwan Bentley being out
is apparently the biggest thing ever because they can't stop
the run, so that's an issue. And then also Drake

(42:57):
May it seems like whatever he does well, the team
just is not ready for what he does.

Speaker 1 (43:04):
Team is not I don't know. I don't know if
I understand that last point.

Speaker 14 (43:06):
Kevin well, well, it seems like he's like even if
he plays well well. Also, the popped out was thing
spas me out today because I was like trying to
figure out what was going on. I was like, why
is he not on the field? All was chaking Twitter
and they're like, oh, he's sick. And then why do
you play the first five reps of the game and
then not come back?

Speaker 1 (43:27):
Yeah, And you know, sometimes this kind of gets a
little inside football, and you know, we've had former players
tell us, you know, they can they can do things.
They can do things for you to get you ready
to play the game. And those things have a shelf
life in terms of how long they're gonna make you love.

Speaker 14 (43:43):
I would love to try those drugs.

Speaker 1 (43:45):
Well, you know, I'm just saying, even if, even if
it's like a dehydration issue and that there was talk
of ivs going on for whatever he was dealing with,
after a while, it wears off, and if you know,
you come back out after halftime you're like, I can't go,
Then he can't go. I'm not put it on Pop Douglas,
But I think I know what you're saying, Kevin about
Drake May. I don't think he's playing beyond you know,

(44:07):
what his his teammates and receivers are willing to do.
He's certainly not there as a rookie star.

Speaker 3 (44:11):
Maybe he's not ready for that. He's not he's not
ready for it.

Speaker 14 (44:14):
But and that's what I'm saying. I think he's playing solid.
But it's like if it pops not on the field,
who does he have to throw it to? Because Bolt's
gonna drop it. He's got kJ Osborne that will catch
a wide oven pass.

Speaker 1 (44:25):
But I mean Hunter Henry that's it.

Speaker 3 (44:28):
Yeah, they they obviously need more weapons. But can we
agree that he had opportunities to make some places that
he made bad throws on too?

Speaker 8 (44:34):
Right?

Speaker 3 (44:34):
Like I think he was really good based on this
was his second career start. Yeah, like not really good,
Like in terms of NFL quarterbacks, he was good for
where he is in his development, right right.

Speaker 14 (44:47):
He misses a lot of throws, but he also makes
throws that just get dropped or sticked. And it's like, yeah, I.

Speaker 3 (44:53):
Don't really see that all that often. To be honest
with you, I didn't see it. I mean Pope dropping it.

Speaker 1 (44:58):
Pulpe dropped two passes. Who else dropped one?

Speaker 14 (45:01):
Yeah, it's a good question.

Speaker 3 (45:05):
Because it didn't happen. This is my point. Like he
had Born coming across the middle wide open and overthrew him.
You know, like there's there's like I said, Drake may
is right where you want him to be as a
guy who's making a second career start. But let's not
like you know, one of and one have pulled all
on everybody else that they're not more more productive.

Speaker 1 (45:26):
Part of it is on him.

Speaker 14 (45:27):
I'm not trying to annoy him as no.

Speaker 1 (45:30):
I know, I know you're not. I know you're not.

Speaker 12 (45:31):
Kevin.

Speaker 1 (45:32):
I know it.

Speaker 14 (45:33):
Seems like he's getting a little bit let down, but
he's like he's also a fault too. But I mean, honestly,
the main thing was I was just blown that Douglas
just was gone after the first it was.

Speaker 1 (45:45):
It was surprising. I'm not gonna lie to you, I
was shocked. I want to understand in the aftermath, Kevin, thanks.

Speaker 5 (45:51):
For the call. I just real quick.

Speaker 4 (45:53):
I don't know if you already said this, but Andrew
Callahan talked to Pop in the locker room, said he's
been vomiting all day, could stand up a focus, said
it got worse throughout the day, so he's he's sick.
He was fighting through lamb like they said it on
the Oh, that's a great Mutton.

Speaker 1 (46:10):
I don't know what has got nothing on this?

Speaker 5 (46:13):
Not something in your crumpet?

Speaker 1 (46:16):
Do you want me the crumpet? I don't even know.
Stuck with the Mutton.

Speaker 4 (46:20):
Mutton Mutton was working, probably more likely the Mutton play.

Speaker 5 (46:25):
I overthought it.

Speaker 1 (46:27):
That Super Cops story that was working one of the
polk drops was that across the middle where the ball
was out in front of him a little bit and
he had his arms extended.

Speaker 3 (46:39):
Was that, Well, no, he had one. I think we're
going to see the first one right here. That's a
drop like and I know that the defensive back comes
over and he comes in and rapes in between. You
gotta you gotta catch that ball. The second one I
put on May. The second one he was open and
the ball was a little.

Speaker 1 (46:56):
Bit late and short.

Speaker 3 (46:57):
Yeah, and allowed I think your guy to don dunk
dounk to come over and break it up.

Speaker 1 (47:03):
Right this one? Oh no, not that one.

Speaker 3 (47:06):
That play was whistled for a penalty that was passing
appearance the.

Speaker 5 (47:10):
Like instant like the instant throw the flag.

Speaker 1 (47:12):
Well, that's that's what I say.

Speaker 3 (47:14):
I think that's how I think that was the pass defance.

Speaker 1 (47:16):
I don't don't quote me on that.

Speaker 3 (47:18):
Every once in a while the all twenty two does
get me. So I think that was the past inference.

Speaker 1 (47:22):
But and deuce. The players only do that to help
the officials. Sometimes they don't see the past. Thank you. No,
I didn't realize you should be throwing a flag, Just
so you know, I don't want you to be embarrassed.

Speaker 4 (47:33):
There was some cheating going on there, and you need
to call it exactly.

Speaker 1 (47:37):
Uh, let's go to Cameron in North Carolina. Hello, Camera,
thanks for being on the Patriots postgame show with Hardy
and Paul and Deuce. What do you got cam com
com All right, my.

Speaker 3 (48:00):
Hm, David, this is the one I was talking about.
I thought that, yeah, this one. I think you see
how he's backpedaling, he's open, and I think this a
little bit.

Speaker 1 (48:11):
I think there's a little bit of a.

Speaker 3 (48:12):
Problem that I put that on both Polk and May.
I thought cover two shots timing. The timing was a
little off there. I thought he was open settling in
the in the hole and the ball wasn't there in time.
By the time it was, the guy had come over,
And I mean, yeah, like you could call that a drop.

Speaker 1 (48:30):
I think that's tough.

Speaker 4 (48:31):
That's to catch.

Speaker 1 (48:37):
Dad what happens when he works, David. I apologize for
making you wait, oh sorry, go ahead, David. That will
be my fault. It's like, how you guys doing good?

Speaker 15 (48:53):
So you want me to start with the positive or
the negative?

Speaker 1 (48:55):
Take here a positive? Please?

Speaker 15 (48:57):
All right? So the positive I've come away with these
last two games is that May is not mac Jones,
and that is at the very least really good. He
does not need the situation around him to be He
doesn't need two top ten receivers to put up two
hundred and fifty yards. He can do it with the
guys we have, and that's good to see, you know.
I'm glad he, you know, limited some of the turnovers today,

(49:21):
although he had a couple that probably should have been
picked off. But you know, I think he's doing I think,
like Paul said, he's right where you want him to be.

Speaker 1 (49:28):
Yep.

Speaker 15 (49:28):
So for the negative side, is it fair to say
this might be like the worst defensive showing since the
wild card game? Because what did they have one stop
in the last three quarters?

Speaker 1 (49:41):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (49:42):
I think this has been consistent of the way the
defense has played this season.

Speaker 1 (49:45):
I'll be honest with you.

Speaker 4 (49:46):
I get they did force two punts and seventeen.

Speaker 5 (49:52):
They didn't get any the fact.

Speaker 15 (49:54):
That we've we've lost by more sixteen or more points
in four of our last five games. And I have
to also mention, like I understand the circumstances and everything
of what happened. It's you know, but of the four
guys that were supposed to be running the defense, I
honestly think we kept two of the worst ones, Steve
and Bill, where I think the ones who sort of

(50:17):
brought the whole game plan together. And I feel like
Mayo and Covington were the ones who communicated it to
the players. But I feel like they're not. They just
don't have a game plan for the defense.

Speaker 5 (50:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (50:29):
I'm just saying to myself or anyone else who cared
to hear me, I can't remember seeing a Patriots defense
look like this for seven games.

Speaker 3 (50:40):
That's that's what I'm saying. I think this isn't and
I agree with I agree with David. I mean, I
think this has been indicative though, like the scores, like
for as many points as they have allowed, they've been
kind of fortunate to only allow what they've allowed. You know,
like Christian kirk Bailey being out of bounds on that play,
and I would like to see a replay again to
see if that first foot when he caught it was down.

(51:02):
I think the foot that came down out of bounds
might have been the third foot. Obviously, they go for
eleven minute drive and come away with no points because
they they failed to block on the fullth down play
like the Seattle game, all those drop passes that the
Seahawks had in that game, Like there's a lot of
there's a lot of stops quote unquote that the Patriots

(51:23):
have gotten that they didn't have a whole lot to
do with and their struggle, this struggle. I think David's right.
I think this this is like wild Card, Like you
know that that twenty twenty one Wildcard game.

Speaker 5 (51:35):
Like can I can.

Speaker 15 (51:36):
I point out something that you had on your your
good list real quick?

Speaker 1 (51:39):
Okay? Sure, uh you had.

Speaker 15 (51:42):
I think you had a VP on your good list
for a bit.

Speaker 3 (51:44):
I feel like, well just for the start they got out.

Speaker 15 (51:47):
For the start yet start, but like what what? I
feel like we were running a lot of plays that
are not what's the word like related to Drake Me's
skill set? Like why are we running so many line
it like screen passes behind the line of scrimmage? Why
are we running so much when we can't we don't
have a run game.

Speaker 3 (52:07):
I don't think you ran the ball as often as
you think you did today.

Speaker 15 (52:12):
It felt like it's still I think I think they.

Speaker 3 (52:14):
Attempted twelve runs and I would say that the first
touchdowns of screen like it's a that's that's a blitz
beating screen to Jamichael Hasty, like when they don't work,
you're like, why are you calling that? When it does work,
you know and listen. I would say that Alex van Pelt,
I gave him some credit for coming up with a

(52:34):
good game plan, a good script. Well that's only part
of it, Like, you got to figure out what's going
on the rest of the game. Once the game declares,
you have to figure out how am I going to
adjust and move the ball? And they had no answers,
So I by no means am I saying Alex van
Pelt painted a Picasso today. They got off to a
good start and then they went They went south for
a while, and that's that's unacceptable. You've got to be

(52:55):
better than that.

Speaker 1 (52:56):
Thanks, David, appreciate it.

Speaker 4 (52:57):
UH just a little nuanced, I think, Paul, to feedback
on something that you've been saying a lot about the defense,
was that you thought, because hear a lot of people
going like, how do you go from a top ten
defense to the worst?

Speaker 5 (53:07):
I think that they didn't quite start at that position.

Speaker 4 (53:10):
Is as you've pointed out, many times they you know,
I think the last couple of years, there probably were
plenty of.

Speaker 3 (53:14):
Exams yet to play a backup quarterback of Bill Belichick.

Speaker 1 (53:17):
They played one Bill.

Speaker 5 (53:18):
Bellichick out scheming a backup quarterback.

Speaker 4 (53:20):
And I think that that's a big piece of some
of their defensive success over the last couple of years
was getting favorable matchups against backup quarterbacks, like you said,
on more than a few occasions. And you know, give
Bill credits. Certainly he knows the right game plan to
go against those guys. But I just I don't know
if if the drop off has been quite as dramatic
as some people will make it out to be because
of what their rankings were. But I think that they're,

(53:41):
you know, they're a defense right now that that's really struggling.
And I mean in a variety of areas.

Speaker 1 (53:45):
From hyperbole to nuance and this du this deuce kid
range my autobiography.

Speaker 4 (53:52):
Well, I was just trying to I don't know the nuance.
Paul is the one who points out the nuance all
the time, which is just you know that they're that
you know, you'll just look at the numbers and you say, wow,
this was a great defense last year.

Speaker 5 (54:02):
Was it? I don't know.

Speaker 1 (54:03):
Would that be the title of your autobiography from Hyperbole
to Nuance? Well, it talks about your development as a human.

Speaker 5 (54:11):
I already got the title, I just I don't want
to share it yet.

Speaker 1 (54:13):
Though, Diary of Indignities. Oh, I like it? Uh Isaac
in South Dakota here on the Patriots post game show
high Isaac II.

Speaker 12 (54:24):
Guys, so.

Speaker 16 (54:26):
Talking about like wide receiver ones, like wide receivers, what
if we did like a trade for like Cooper Cups? Maybe, Yeah,
like a late route like some draft picks for Cooper Cups,
like not like early on, but somewhat cheap because I
feel like he's going to be a cheap since he's
gotten injured in the past two years, he hasn't played
very much.

Speaker 1 (54:43):
And then why do the Rams want to make that trade?

Speaker 8 (54:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 16 (54:48):
What do you guys? Would you guys consider making that
trade for?

Speaker 10 (54:51):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (54:51):
I would absolutely I would. I were the Patriots, I would.
If I were the Rams, I wouldn't. Why would you
want Why would the Rams want to trade Cooper Cup?

Speaker 16 (54:59):
Because? I mean, because he's been injured the past two
Like it's just because he's been so injured the past
two years.

Speaker 14 (55:04):
He hasn't really played that much.

Speaker 16 (55:05):
I think Pukah's coming back, I believe. And then there
I don't know why that. Why wouldn't they take draft
picks for Cooper Cup.

Speaker 1 (55:14):
Because he's good and he's good. And I'll tell you
something else, Isaac, I'm not giving up a third round
or for anybody right now because I think you can
go find receivers in the third round.

Speaker 3 (55:22):
Well, I just would look at it and say, the Rams,
you know, they have a veteran quarterback. They're not looking
to get rid of guys, you know, especially guys that
are under contract.

Speaker 1 (55:31):
Yeah, guys that are under contract and injured or not
have shown to be Yeah, he's a good player, and
it's like, oh, there's a guy that can catch the
ball from our veteran quarterback. We're going to keep him.
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Speaker 1 (59:36):
Matt Smith is that he's in London. He called in earlier.
It's great to hear from Matt.

Speaker 5 (59:41):
Hope he didn't have the mutton.

Speaker 1 (59:43):
Oh man, there's a bad case the Mutton's going around,
Maybe for Mario Douglas, who knows who else. Maybe they
would explain a lot of things, maybe a lot of
the defensive players and they just played through it. But
uh no. The Patriots suffer a loss today to the Jaguars,
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(01:00:06):
talk to John who is in South Beach. Are you
in South Beach? Are you on South Beach? John? I
remember asking you this question before, but I just want
you to answer it again.

Speaker 8 (01:00:17):
It's an important question. I am in South Beach, not
currently laying on the beach. I'm fortune okay.

Speaker 1 (01:00:22):
And you've called into this program before, yes, I have.

Speaker 8 (01:00:27):
And Paul even give to me the nickname Johnny South Beach,
which I have embraced wholeheartedly.

Speaker 1 (01:00:32):
That's a cool nickname. That is accurate. Man is good
already Southpeach, John? What do you? What do you got
for us?

Speaker 8 (01:00:38):
A couple quick things. First of all, hearing your Dulcie
tones today, Hardy makes the lost hurt five percent less
o no no shade, no shade to Matt. But Hardy,
Hardy is the one that got away. I was just
I kind of want to swear something before you know,
everybody starts like discussing on Twitter, fighting about it on

(01:01:00):
the radio on that near pit Row to Osbourne. Immediately though,
is like screaming that Osborne didn't run a good route,
and then everyone on Twitter is like made and throw
the ball quick enough to pass break up. Blah blah blah.
What from your guys' perspective, actually happened on that play
and who's the most to blame.

Speaker 1 (01:01:21):
I'd like to see, can we put it up?

Speaker 5 (01:01:23):
I'll break it down for you live. Maybe we could
get the chick.

Speaker 3 (01:01:26):
I really look forward to this.

Speaker 1 (01:01:27):
Can you get a telestraight her off from my No,
we're gonna We're gonna look at it here hopefully, and uh, well,
we'll come to a consensus here among the three of
us as to whether or not it was a bad pass,
a bad route, or just bad luck. I my gut
tells me that the route maybe was a little bit off.

(01:01:51):
I'm trying to remember in my mind's eye, but I'm
hesitant to to say one way or the other. Without
looking at it again, I can tell you it was.

Speaker 8 (01:01:57):
Zoe was streaming saying that Osborne is supposed to cut
more towards the quarterback on that route, and I was like,
I love though, but he's a little QB oh.

Speaker 3 (01:02:09):
Wide receiver right that route, right, especially this QB Yeah,
I don't think you would have been as forgiving if
it were.

Speaker 1 (01:02:16):
We're set making the same throw. Now. The good news is,
I'm sure uh Drake May who will hear from here
in a little while, did not put the uh the
onus on his receivers a la Aaron Rodgers last week
talking about here the red line line. You got a
red line and it has nothing to do with uh.
I think it was Andrew Kantllahan who said, maybe take
some accountability for throwing a no look past forty yards

(01:02:38):
down the field, and uh, you know that maybe takes
some of it on yourself. But you know, I think
these are all part of the It's part of the
learning curve for these guys getting together and and getting
first team reps for only what the third week now
second third week, you know, getting the majority of them
and figuring things out. It's his second start, and I

(01:02:59):
don't get Maybe something else that Zoe has said, which
I happen to agree with, and if you go back
and look at starts from quarterbacks, there's something to it.
You need three starts before you can really make any
kind of real determination. Let that quarterback have the game
plan for a week. Let them get the install let
them develop some rapport if there is any with the receivers,

(01:03:21):
and then you start making decisions on what he's good at,
what he's bad at. You can't do it after a game,
and if you do it after two games, you're doing
everybody a disservice, you know, after three games and then
and then maybe we'll be able to make a better
determination on specific things like that. John, it's a good question, though.
We'll take a look at it.

Speaker 5 (01:03:39):
Yeah, yeah, we'll break the film.

Speaker 1 (01:03:41):
We'll let you know. I'll let you know anything else.

Speaker 8 (01:03:43):
John, Well, since since you're on Hardy, I've been waiting
to share my favorite Hooper quote or when Austin Hooper
has a good game, But I just don't think that's
going to happen, so I'm just going to share it anyway.
It's when Hooper standing in front of the boat and
he says, don't give me any of that working class
bureau crap. I think, yeah, basically, yeah, that's the most line.

Speaker 1 (01:04:06):
Yeah, and they're they're not in front of the boat.
I believe they are in the shop. They're in Quinn's shops.

Speaker 5 (01:04:11):
Yeah, it was boiling with the Hooper U S O. B.

Speaker 8 (01:04:15):
Line.

Speaker 1 (01:04:15):
Yeah, yeah, I like that.

Speaker 5 (01:04:17):
I like the subtle underspreath. I don't think so you know.

Speaker 4 (01:04:21):
Yeah, yeah, you think you know it all salty dog fishermen.
But I have a degree. Yeah, and I'm going on
the aurora.

Speaker 1 (01:04:27):
It's a floating asylum, is what it is. John, Thanks for.

Speaker 3 (01:04:30):
The call, which still doesn't really what not like it
doesn't make any sense, like it it's a floating asylum.

Speaker 1 (01:04:40):
What missus Brodie thinks it's hysterical.

Speaker 4 (01:04:44):
She is in the book They got after it together.
That's it, That's it right.

Speaker 1 (01:04:48):
I didn't I didn't know that until you told me
about it. And now watching her react to him, I
wonder if there's something in the back. There was something there,
there's something there.

Speaker 4 (01:04:57):
I mean, miss Brodie, she you love you love. She
was already feeling it earlier. She was like, Chief, you
want to fool around and was like sure. He didn't
really seem that much into it. So you could see
where they're parent seeds of you know, Miss Brodie, she's
she's looking around for a little action.

Speaker 1 (01:05:09):
I think, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:05:11):
And then two, there's a clear inference. There's a clear
inference to me that the hotel guy, you know, the
business you know, the hotel business guy, and you know,
and and Ellen is like the pr person.

Speaker 1 (01:05:28):
You know, there's something there.

Speaker 4 (01:05:30):
Right right, And then in four she's I don't know
what we do without you know, it's like Brodie's body
isn't even dry. She's jumping to Michael Kine playing around
the which I mean, credit.

Speaker 1 (01:05:39):
To Michael Kine for still being willing to make time
with her with that haircut, because that haircut climb against
humanity that was bad.

Speaker 3 (01:05:47):
And credits to Michael Kine for still accepting checks for
these roles.

Speaker 4 (01:05:52):
I mean, she stabbed the shark with the boat.

Speaker 5 (01:05:56):
All right, all right, you guys say.

Speaker 1 (01:05:58):
So Matt, and I'm with us, now go ahead, Matt,
thanks for calling Patriots post game show.

Speaker 20 (01:06:05):
Hey yeah, thanks for having me. So just a couple
of questions. First, so, how when was the last time
you thought that the defense really looked like this consistently bad?

Speaker 16 (01:06:18):
I mean, and then the.

Speaker 20 (01:06:20):
Next question is, Drowd Mayo attreats this a lot to coaching,
and when do you think that at what point can
we actually like say it's not working, we need to
shake something up with coaching, because I mean, if it's
this consistently bad and we're having all these mistakes week
after week after week. I mean, it can I mean,

(01:06:42):
when when can we expect to get better? I'll take
it off here, all right.

Speaker 5 (01:06:49):
I mean I'm looking back at twenty twenty.

Speaker 4 (01:06:51):
I mean, and that's and then we always talk about
twenty twenty is kind of a year where.

Speaker 5 (01:06:54):
Like hitting the reset button on the defense.

Speaker 4 (01:06:56):
I don't think anyone was really expecting that.

Speaker 1 (01:06:59):
Now, you're right, it was a bad defense.

Speaker 5 (01:07:01):
They were a bad defense. Just looking at some of
some of their scores, just a bad u.

Speaker 3 (01:07:06):
Yeah, so when can it get better? I really think
it could be better next year, Like how much better?
I don't know. I think you can sort of make
the jump from obviously where you are right now, which
is not very good. I think you can make the
jump from that to competitive in one year. And I

(01:07:28):
think I think that it's going to require a good
draft and some shrewd free agency moves. You can't just
do one, you know, I know, this whole notion of
like we're a draft and developed team, Like yeah, that's great,
and I like that philosophy. I think they need to
do better with their young players than they have, you know,

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in terms of developing but you can't just do that.
You need to spend some of that money and get
some talent in as well, some some proven talent. And
I don't think that they've taken an enough advantage of
those opportunities. But I think that they can. Listen, you
draft a left tackle, you know, in the first round.
Maybe you pick up a veteran receiver and draft a

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receiver that hit, and all of a sudden, you can be,
you know, a competitive team next year. I don't think
you're going to be necessarily a playoff team overnight, but
it can happen quickly.

Speaker 1 (01:08:26):
It can happen quickly. I don't think it has to
be just you know, over because they're rebuilding.

Speaker 4 (01:08:31):
Yeah, they were the worst run defense according to TVA
in twenty twenty thirty, second twenty sixth overall, but you
still look at points seventh and points fifteenth in yards.

Speaker 5 (01:08:40):
I mean they were.

Speaker 4 (01:08:41):
Still they still had a little something. So I think
that there's probably somewhat an argument to be made this
this defense is the worst one in a long time.

Speaker 1 (01:08:48):
Do Shawn and Virginia on the Patriots post game show?
Height does Sean what's going on?

Speaker 11 (01:08:53):
Hey, how you guys doing good? Good, good, big. What
I wanted to say is that I think John Gotsen,
that's gonna be the same weekend and week out because
there's a talent efficiency problem, mainly in the trenches. They
can't rush the passer, uh, nor can they stop the running.
On the other side, you can't protect the quarterback. So
as long as that keeps happening, it's gonna be more

(01:09:15):
of the same. You know. Like people talk about Gonzales
and I look at the way of how they play them,
I don't I'm not really a huge fan of it.
The outside technique, not putting the hands on the guy
or whatever. I mean, I think you should really utilize
the skill set. I think they really don't you do
that or whatever. So there's certain things as the coach
maker is the problem, and there's a talent officiency problem.
So those get addressed, won't They probably will never be fixed.

Speaker 1 (01:09:36):
Well, I mean, the the talent up the middle right
now defensively, and Paul talked about it in the pregame show.
That's not going to be fixed overnight. Uh. When you're
talking about Gonzales and how they're playing things, you know,
schematically in the secondary, maybe that's something that can be addressed.
But again, personnel issues, Uh, if you're talking about more

(01:09:57):
than two positions, U uh, this is this something that's
going to be a process.

Speaker 3 (01:10:03):
Now, I agree, And it's yeah, it's you can't just
like snap your fingers and be done. And I know
people look at this and I do too. I'm guilty
of it like, well, it's post Brady, so it's year
five like and it is.

Speaker 1 (01:10:17):
That's right.

Speaker 3 (01:10:18):
I'm not telling you you're wrong for thinking about it
that way, but it's it's a little unfair to Girod
Mayo and Elliott Wolf to look at it that way
because they're just getting the opportunity right now to do
this on their own. And we'll see if they if
they end up doing it doing it right now, it's
not off to a great start. I think that there's

(01:10:40):
been so I think there were opportunities lost last year
and resigning all of their players like they did. I'm
not going to kill that, but like they didn't augment
it with really anything. What did like what did they
bring in like Antonio.

Speaker 4 (01:10:56):
Gibson, Yeah, Antonio, I mean like how much?

Speaker 3 (01:10:59):
I mean maybe Jalen Hawkins a little bit.

Speaker 5 (01:11:00):
I mean, I can run it right down for you.
I mean most of them just.

Speaker 3 (01:11:03):
I'm talking about contributors, and no I know in the
draft has not like really yielded anything.

Speaker 4 (01:11:09):
Beyond Austin Hooper.

Speaker 1 (01:11:11):
Hooper drives the boats.

Speaker 4 (01:11:13):
Yeah, but I mean between Leverett didn't work out, armand
Watts didn't work out, a corps for it didn't work out. Uh,
Taki Taki was a healthy scratch today he got you know,
a two year deal.

Speaker 8 (01:11:25):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:11:26):
And a lot of these guys that you extended, I
mean Born you're just starting to see him. But when
you hasn't had a great year. kJ Osborne has kind
of been an afterthought. Uh, Stevenson's been in out of
their lineup and had some fumble issues. David Andrews is out,
Gibril Peppers is out. I mean, gotcha looks pretty good.
I mean that that you know, that's one piece that
like a piece of it.

Speaker 1 (01:11:45):
Now.

Speaker 4 (01:11:45):
I'm just I'm just talking overall guys that you made
an effort to give new contracts to over the last
you know, six months.

Speaker 5 (01:11:52):
Not not a lot of them have have worked out.
And a lot of them that you you know.

Speaker 3 (01:11:56):
I was just talking about like free agent additions, like
they they made a decision to retain a lot of
their own players, and that's fine, and I don't necessarily
I mean, some of them, I've just talked about this
all all off season. Some of them I wouldn't have
brought back. But you know, individually, I'm not going to
stand on a mountain and scream like, how did you
resign that guy? But they didn't bring anything in to

(01:12:17):
augment that, right, No, and you went forward to thirteen.
I argued with you at Evan a lot like they're
basically running it back with the same team, only they're
changing the quarterback and they think it's going to be
a magic fix. I didn't think it would be a
magic fix.

Speaker 1 (01:12:32):
Right, And I don't know how much credit you're you're
going to get from people, from critics and fans of
life for resigning guys that have proven themselves even a
little bit. Well, yeah, that's what you should do. The
guys who can play you keep here unless there's someone
out there, and in many cases there are someone else
who could truly augment that position, then you bring them in.

Speaker 6 (01:12:54):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:12:54):
So how about Eldred in North Carolina talk about sight
for sore eyes or sore ears? Aldrid good to talk
to you there. It is my man.

Speaker 21 (01:13:05):
He tell us, hey, hey, Hardy, how you doing.

Speaker 1 (01:13:08):
Good to hear from you.

Speaker 21 (01:13:10):
Yeah, Paul, Uh excuse me, Matt, Hey, uh, I want
to piggyback off the other guy. But uh, Paul, you're
right too. You can't kill Rod and Elliott. I can
kill Ellie for part just draft, but the other five
I put it on the building in this GM. And yeah,
you know, but Gunso was a good corner, but guns

(01:13:31):
can't cover speed.

Speaker 12 (01:13:32):
And Brian Thomas was.

Speaker 21 (01:13:33):
The third wire receive. I wanted Pope was nowhere near.
I wanted Harrison or a d Mitchell or Brian Thomas,
but we got Pope, you know, And which go against.

Speaker 3 (01:13:44):
What Brian Thomas off the board in the middle of
the first round.

Speaker 21 (01:13:49):
Yeah, yeah, he didn't go to the middle, did he.

Speaker 3 (01:13:51):
I think he was a first round pick, right, Yeah?

Speaker 12 (01:13:54):
I thought he was.

Speaker 21 (01:13:55):
Okay, maybe yeah, mitchelluld have stuck around.

Speaker 3 (01:13:57):
Pa Mitchell if there was something happen with Mitchell. I
don't know what the story is. But he dropped in
the draft like he he went like a full round
or so round and a half later than he was projected.

Speaker 1 (01:14:10):
Picked twenty three for Thomas. Thomas was twenty three, Yeah
he was, he was longer three.

Speaker 21 (01:14:14):
Okay, well don't go Well my thing is this. Everybody
pumped the break. This is a rebuild just to really
the rebu start supposed to start with Bill, but he
didn't do it right. So this is it. So we
just out of talent, just like I've been saying it
for years. If I would just to shoot me down
and say we need some day sometimes you gotta get
to afleet not the blue.

Speaker 1 (01:14:35):
I couldn't agree more. Alters. Yeah, years and Aldred you've
got you've got the right attitude about him. A lot
of people that are not willing to accept the fact that,
you know, the rebuild wasn't done correctly, going back several
years now and it's kind of like, okay, now it
begins like, well what have we been doing? Uh, you

(01:14:55):
were supposed to be doing it, but you really said.

Speaker 3 (01:14:57):
I don't think people that say that it's five years
or wrong because it has been. Yes, and a lot
of these guys were here too, like Elliott Wolf and
mac growe were true were part. I mean I understand
Bill had final say Bill, this the roster, the makeup
of the roster is on Bill. I understand that, but
these got the guys were part of the personnel department.

Speaker 4 (01:15:17):
Right and they had input on some of these draft
picks that missed you.

Speaker 1 (01:15:22):
Yes, sir.

Speaker 21 (01:15:23):
To me, he's still drafting like Bill. To me, he's
still drafting like Bill. That's why I say that doing
that draft.

Speaker 5 (01:15:31):
Yeah, well, I don't know if Bill would have drafted May, but.

Speaker 21 (01:15:34):
No, he would. Yeah he had you could need a quarterback.
If he did, he was crazy and running with day
and death. That insanity.

Speaker 3 (01:15:44):
Yeah, I mean I think he Yeah, I mean, that's
a good point. I know what Mike is saying, because
Bill wasn't overly complimentary of May in the draft, but
that was also maybe an ulterior motive involved there. I'm
just saying knowing that he was going to the page.

Speaker 5 (01:15:58):
Now, that doesn't sound like it.

Speaker 1 (01:16:00):
Uh, Eldrick. Great to hear from you, my man. Thank you,
appreciate it. Appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (01:16:05):
I love that dude for the Dolphins just recovered to
fumble without a helmet.

Speaker 1 (01:16:08):
That's good. Cela Zach Seeler, big play. I think David
Montgomery got u strip sacked in the in the Lions game,
which is something you don't see all that all running
gets through the line and and I don't know if
I don't know if it was one of the linebackers
from Minnesota like took the ball away from him and
came down with it on the ground before Montgomery even

(01:16:28):
knew what happened. Like huh, all right, so I know,
just real quick, like to Elder's point, like, I just
I'd like to feel good about something other than Drake May.

Speaker 5 (01:16:36):
I feel pretty good about Drake May right now.

Speaker 1 (01:16:37):
I do too.

Speaker 5 (01:16:38):
I don't feel good.

Speaker 4 (01:16:38):
About anything else right now that I don't like. As
much as you want to tell me about Gonzalez and
Key and White and you know, Pop Douglas and and
all that. I you know it, it's not consistent, and
it certainly isn't getting better right now. And at some
point they've got to turn the tide and put some
places together. And it's just right now.

Speaker 1 (01:16:55):
What you got Halloween coming up? About that?

Speaker 5 (01:16:59):
Not like I used to.

Speaker 4 (01:17:00):
It's not fun with it when I was a kid
or when my kids were little. Now it's just about
where are my kids going they're gonna run around.

Speaker 3 (01:17:05):
The sweet spot was when the kids were like middle school,
a little older than that it became like a neighborhood thing. Yeah,
you know, you get the rid solo cups going, oh yeah,
you know, but.

Speaker 1 (01:17:16):
Now you find that Halloween Central Street.

Speaker 3 (01:17:19):
And you know what really like, I don't know, like
the neighborhoods you guys live. I don't know one comes
to my like on my street because I live on
a small street. There's only a handful of houses. Oh
not only that your boy got hurt, David Montgomery's great,
there's uh, there's not there's not a lot. There's only
like eight houses on my street. There's like four on
each side of the street. So no one really comes
down my street.

Speaker 1 (01:17:39):
Aristocrat.

Speaker 4 (01:17:40):
Maybe if you get big, I didn't get it medium, right,
get them big candy bars. Perlo's got the king size.

Speaker 3 (01:17:48):
Because a lot of times, you know, do you do
the full size candy at your house?

Speaker 21 (01:17:52):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (01:17:52):
No no, because that's why no, because we don't roll
the pennies for you.

Speaker 3 (01:17:57):
If we got popcorn balls, if we got the if
you know, candy corn if we get.

Speaker 1 (01:18:03):
I've got the full time. If we've got the full full.

Speaker 3 (01:18:06):
Sized candy bars, and then no one shows up, who
do you think eats it?

Speaker 11 (01:18:09):
Me?

Speaker 6 (01:18:10):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:18:10):
Like I don't want that. Let me tell you. Let
me tell you boys two things, and then I swear
we'll get back to the postgame. Number one, candy corn.
If you're out, you're out. But if you like it
and you're just okay with it, here's what I say.
You get a can of planters, salted shelled peanuts, okay,
dump those in a bowl, and then you dump about

(01:18:31):
half a bag of candy corn in there, and you
just grab a handful. It is, and it's about a
three to one mixture. You need three to four half
nuts or nuts with one candy corn provide. Some people
prefer more like a two to one. It's too much.
It's too much candy corn, too much, it's delicious. And
number two, I'm gonna throw this one at you. I

(01:18:52):
was at a friend's last night and the woman brings
out these Oh look at these ritz crackers. They're dipped
in chocolate. Aren't these delicious? We all tried one, and
we said, you know, we need peanut butter to dip this.
I went across the street because I may peanut butter
in this house. So readiness brought my peanut butter back
over it. And that is a delightful treat. I don't

(01:19:14):
think you want to hand him out for Halloween, but
just for yourself. Good Cracker, Yeah, delicious? You get that?
Do you get that reference? Ritz Cracker? Good Cracker, Eddie Murphy,
Andy Griffith. Oh wow.

Speaker 3 (01:19:30):
So that's why that's why I went to you. Mike
pretends he's.

Speaker 1 (01:19:33):
Not as old as I am, so I'm not. I
didn't even know to Mike. You know that Andy Griffith
show is one of my top three TV shows of
all It's a great show. And if you're going to
up to Pilot, could you get me a new pair
of scissors? Mark in Providence on the Patriots postgame Hello, Mark.
Mount Pilot.

Speaker 12 (01:19:54):
Looked at last year's season. To me, it didn't seem
like a re building a team that needs to be rebuilt.
I mean they lost seven games by less than seven points,
in another game by seven points, so eight games by
a touchdown a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:20:11):
Do you think when you go four and thirteen you're
not a team that needs to be rebuilt. When you
lose to Tommy DeVito and Trevor Simeon.

Speaker 8 (01:20:22):
Like.

Speaker 12 (01:20:25):
And any if you watched all the games, Mac Jones
was a huge problem. So I mean you're going to
change the quarterback. You had to receive a left tackle
and keep adding to the defense. Now, this team, that's
a lot needs to be completely rebuilt.

Speaker 3 (01:20:43):
But you needed all those things that you just said,
that's a that's that's a that's a rebuilt, Like you
need a left tackle, a receiver in adding to the defense, like.

Speaker 1 (01:20:53):
That's a lot of stuff. That's a lot of stuff, Mark.

Speaker 3 (01:20:55):
And that's not even taken into consideration. Does the quarterback work?

Speaker 7 (01:20:58):
Like?

Speaker 1 (01:20:58):
Did he? Did it pan out?

Speaker 3 (01:20:59):
Like we knew you took the quarterback at three, But
that doesn't mean it's gonna work. A lot of teams,
you know, find themselves in that quarterback carousel.

Speaker 12 (01:21:08):
Okay, but you've moved down from the three and you
address your offensive line, and they got a ton of money,
they could have brought in a couple of skilled guys.
Still the other holes and you still had all them
other drasticks.

Speaker 1 (01:21:21):
I don't know what do you do a quarterback? Okay,
all right, mar I'll just say this.

Speaker 3 (01:21:29):
I just don't know how you watched last year and
you deceived yourself into thinking they only lost ten to
seven to Tommy DeVito, so they weren't that far away.

Speaker 1 (01:21:36):
Well, this comes from years of sitting at the.

Speaker 3 (01:21:38):
Gardner Minshew's ten to six. We're right there, Like they
lost to one backup quarterback after another, right, and yeah,
the games were closed because the other teams were all
playing their backup quarterbacks.

Speaker 1 (01:21:49):
And Deuce, maybe maybe you've fallen under the city, you know,
the same spell that I did, now that you've been
with Paul for as many years as I was. One
of the things that just you know, gets drilled into
you and you absorbed by osmosis is a team's record
at the end of the year is the best indicator
really of what they are. You can say theirself and

(01:22:11):
Paul taught me this. You can talk to yourself and ah,
they're really better than their four and thirteen record would
indicate that. Almost every single time you look at the
record at the end of the season, it's like that's
what they were.

Speaker 3 (01:22:22):
See I could say, like, well, you were you were
seven and ten or eight and nine, but you know
we were a little better than that.

Speaker 1 (01:22:29):
We got you buzzards lucked.

Speaker 3 (01:22:31):
You know, we missed a couple of field goals that
would have won games. When you're four and thirteen or
thirteen and four. It's hard to say you're not that
good or you weren't that bad. Like that's a really
dramatic you know, one way or the other. Yeah, Like
I agree with Hardy, like you're four and thirteen, okay,
so maybe you should have been you should have been.

Speaker 1 (01:22:49):
Six and eleven. Yeah, yeah, it's it's tough to convince Yeah,
it's it's tough to convince me that because of all
those close games, you're really more like a nine and eighteen. No, no, no.
A bunch of emails here there which Now.

Speaker 5 (01:23:04):
I are you gonna read the emails this time?

Speaker 1 (01:23:06):
The electronic mail? You know what, I'm not even gonna
say anything. I'm not gonna say anything. I was gonna
do it. He was gonna do it. No, I was
gonna do it earlier and disrespect and now this was
all on me. I wasn't gonna say it. Matt, Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:23:22):
Left us and usually forwards hard of the emails I
forgot to do.

Speaker 1 (01:23:26):
That is everything, all right? Yeah, he had something to do, okay,
it was it was a nice event.

Speaker 4 (01:23:31):
He had to go apple picking.

Speaker 1 (01:23:32):
No, it wasn't apple He had to go do a
little fo somebody else was that? Somebody else was apple picking?
I saw on the Instagram during the game. Did you
see that photo?

Speaker 5 (01:23:40):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:23:41):
No, Jim Murray.

Speaker 12 (01:23:42):
No.

Speaker 1 (01:23:43):
Who is right now is in the process of courtship,
and it has to go do things like apple picking.
Oh god, even though he doesn't even though he doesn't
have young children, he has to go apple picking?

Speaker 22 (01:23:54):
Is it?

Speaker 5 (01:23:54):
Bill b Wow?

Speaker 1 (01:23:58):
Wow?

Speaker 5 (01:23:59):
Look it up to be from yesterday.

Speaker 4 (01:24:00):
There's no way she got him out there on a Sunday.

Speaker 1 (01:24:03):
Probably not, but oh boy, is it? Is it fun
to look?

Speaker 4 (01:24:06):
At least he can afford it, you know, that's the thing.

Speaker 1 (01:24:10):
Pick it ain't cheap.

Speaker 5 (01:24:11):
Got five hundred apples for seven hundred dollars.

Speaker 3 (01:24:13):
I can't really think of very many things I would
rather do less.

Speaker 4 (01:24:16):
Than my buddy. Kyle Brandt had a good rant on
it the other day. Abou Kyle brand it's my buddy,
But it is. It's just like obscenely priced and you
get way more apples than you're ever gonna need.

Speaker 5 (01:24:26):
And you know it's silly.

Speaker 1 (01:24:28):
Yeah, they're silly.

Speaker 4 (01:24:30):
But she like pies, making pies for your friends. Maybe
then that's it ends up being a deal.

Speaker 1 (01:24:34):
But here's here's ken. When we are dealing with a
lack of performance on both sides. The ball remind me
of how much we are under the salary cap? How
much are how much are we under the salary cap?
You guys know a lot of you are gonna have.
They're gonna have a good amount of cap space next year.

Speaker 5 (01:24:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:24:49):
I don't know what they're under it right now. That's
probably a Miguel question. But they're gonna have a lot
of room next year for sure. And I just I'm
skeptical that they're going to use it on weapons.

Speaker 4 (01:25:02):
Yeah, they got to use it on something, and they've
kind of extended everybody that's going to be extended. I
feel like at this point, there's not you know, most
of this offense is going to come back. There's not
really you know, a lot of pieces. Jonathan Jones, he
could maybe say, was is somebody that that you would
look at, But they did the heavy lifting last year.

Speaker 1 (01:25:17):
That's tough to look at. I'm not gonna lie. Sorry, sorry, Mike. Yeah,
he went to a corn maze too, because you know
sometimes they have corn maze. I mean we've all been there,
but with our kids, right, I can't get out of here
and there. Steve, he's got the headphones.

Speaker 4 (01:25:39):
Ernie, Ernie, I need am app of this maze right now.

Speaker 1 (01:25:44):
Email from Jordan's He says, this team is an embarrassment
through and through. Worst team in the league by a mile.
I think we could beat Foxboro all high. The coaches, fully,
Drake may is out there doing his level best with
no support. Team isn't playing hard. They're undisciplined. They don't
play me a little bit. Well, hold on, I'm not

(01:26:06):
even done their selfish. They're constantly infighting when they talk
to the media. All the things are product of a
head coach and the culture he installs. Wow, now it's
on the mail at this point. How why I and
his whole staff the one to be done? Play calling?
Culture is bad? Scrap it, tear it down. Wow, this

(01:26:27):
is so this.

Speaker 3 (01:26:30):
We've heard a lot of this, you know, Mike and
I get, you know, some periodic emails about it, and
people just like out on the new regime, like they
they just feel like it's not working and they need to,
you know, they need to make a change. I don't
think there's much of a chance of that unless there's
something really significant off field that happens. But that's not

(01:26:52):
a completely unique take.

Speaker 1 (01:26:54):
I've heard.

Speaker 3 (01:26:54):
I've heard that from time to time, which kind of
surprises me.

Speaker 4 (01:26:58):
I mean, that's what happens when you lose six in
a row. It's first time in what thirty years that
that's happened.

Speaker 3 (01:27:02):
I think they said on it it was kind of
half listening to at the end, I'm not gonna lie,
I was sort of in lala land.

Speaker 1 (01:27:08):
First time since before before Craft's ownership.

Speaker 3 (01:27:11):
Yeah, Jews first, they lost a bunch of games in
a row that year the bill, and they finished strong
that year, they won the last four. So maybe if
they can get something like that, it could be uh,
you know, at least some some hope moving forward if
they finish the second half of the season. Like, I
think part of the problem is this, there remains like

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a level of expectation that I don't think is commensurate
with what they have. Like I heard people saying, you know,
they could easily fit, they could easily be six and six,
Like you're one in five and you think this team
is capable of rattling off five out of the next six, Like,
I don't care who they're playing, but you'd think a

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one in five team can reasonably expect to win five
of the next six. I don't care who are against,
you know. And I heard that on the on the radio.
I heard, you know, finding a way to win six, seven,
eight games for the season. Come on, like, I'm sorry,
but like the more likely situation is another four and thirteen,

(01:28:20):
you know, and the way it's going.

Speaker 5 (01:28:21):
Where those next three comes, I don't know what you know?

Speaker 3 (01:28:23):
Yeah, Like this was one that I thought you had
a reasonable chance to win. This is another part of
the whole expectation thing. How many gofas.

Speaker 1 (01:28:32):
Did you hear this week?

Speaker 3 (01:28:35):
Jacksonvill was favored by five and a half.

Speaker 1 (01:28:37):
I was one of them.

Speaker 3 (01:28:39):
I was one of them, and I just looked at him, like,
if you're matching up, if you know, we're talking about
Jalen Polk and kJ Osbourne and Kendrick Bourne and Tomrio Douglas,
and everybody is like, they need a receiver, they need
a receiver. Which one of those guys is better than
Brian Thomas, Christian Kirk or Gabe Davis. Which one of

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those four guys that the Patriots had as wide receivers
today are better than the three guys that Jacksonville had.

Speaker 5 (01:29:05):
None of them. I would take all three of those guys.

Speaker 3 (01:29:07):
Over, you know, and I think Drake may can be
better than Trevor Lawrence, but it's not reasonable to expect
him to be in his second career start. So I
don't understand where this sort of righteous indignation came with
the fact that they were underdogs today. I picked the
Patriots to cover. I thought that they would put a better,

(01:29:27):
better effort forward today than that.

Speaker 1 (01:29:29):
So I was wrong.

Speaker 3 (01:29:30):
I mean, what do you want me to tell you?
I missed it, just like everybody else. But I didn't
think they the whole, like the roster on paper for
Jacksonville is better than that of the Patriots.

Speaker 1 (01:29:40):
Yeah, I was wrong. I thought the Patriots would cover today.
I missed it.

Speaker 4 (01:29:46):
Not great stuff coming out of the Patriots locker room either, today.
Daniel Aqualley, with a quote via Andrew Callahan Jirog just
said postgame everybody got to check their ego when they
come in, and I agree with him. I feel like
a lot of guys think too highly of themselves and
have to check their ego and come in and just
play as a team. I feel like if we play
as a team, nobody can stop us. But if we
go out there and do our own thing and play
outside of the scheme. That's when we get beat. A

(01:30:09):
similar message kind of from what we heard from Devon
Godshaw a couple of weeks ago.

Speaker 5 (01:30:14):
Also Alex Barts just pointing out.

Speaker 4 (01:30:15):
Thatch and ray Quon mcgillan played just eleven snaps each,
so there was a little bit of a pullback on
them from terms of defensive changes.

Speaker 1 (01:30:23):
Well, you got your hipster tablet pulled up there? Could
you also go on to the Instagram because uh Sam
from North Carolina says, uh polk has me wondering his
Insta post after the game was odd, wondering if he
dropped his phone while posting.

Speaker 4 (01:30:37):
Now he just posted a simple peace sign. I don't
know what that means, peace out piece, I'm okay, but
just simple.

Speaker 3 (01:30:44):
Maybe I'm okay, just a piece emoji read from that
one too for two drops.

Speaker 1 (01:30:51):
And I completely I completely understand.

Speaker 5 (01:30:54):
Maybe he's getting meat all sandwiches.

Speaker 1 (01:30:58):
You talk, give me two I completely understand.

Speaker 3 (01:31:02):
You know that I'm one hundred years old and I
didn't grow up with all of these apps that you
incessantly have to post every one of your last every
last thought on I just don't know what would possess
a player going through what he's going through right now
to immediately say.

Speaker 1 (01:31:18):
You know what I think is a good idea. Let
me get on Instagram? Right?

Speaker 3 (01:31:21):
Oh jeez, no again, I understand I'm out of touch.
It's not you know, I get it. Oh big run
for your boy, Jamier Gibbs.

Speaker 1 (01:31:31):
He gone, he walks, right, he gone. There we go, well,
red zone hardy as the Lions are on the scoreboard
here at ten seven against Minnesota.

Speaker 3 (01:31:38):
Okay, I just I don't really know harmless and it's
probably a nothing thing. It's probably like peace. I'm okay,
you know, peace London whatever, like. I don't think it's
like any negative peace posts. Why are you posting anything?

Speaker 1 (01:31:53):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:31:53):
You already deleted it, No, did he, which tells me
it wasn't harmless.

Speaker 1 (01:31:58):
You'll find your soulmate too, Pitho.

Speaker 5 (01:32:01):
It's just.

Speaker 1 (01:32:05):
That was just to Kip dynamite.

Speaker 3 (01:32:07):
That's all it was.

Speaker 1 (01:32:09):
All right. Let's let's hear from the I love doing.

Speaker 3 (01:32:15):
The Uncle rito when I'm sitting here like this just
looking at his arms. Even I have arms I have,
I would have give yourself biceps.

Speaker 1 (01:32:27):
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Speaker 6 (01:32:56):
Look a disappointing game. Disappointing game. We came out, we
started fast y. What I would say is, look, we're
a soft football team. Across the board. We talk about
what makes a tough football team. That's being able to
run the ball, that's being able to stop the run,
and that's being able to cover kicks. And we did
none of those today.

Speaker 11 (01:33:11):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (01:33:11):
They controlled the ball for most of the day. You know,
their run game average over four and a half yards
to carry our run game. Not sure what the average was,
but it wasn't good. Look back to the drawing board.
I mean, we can't sit here and pout. We just
we just gotta put a game together. Do you explain
the talent to run meet I'm not sure.

Speaker 1 (01:33:31):
I'm not sure.

Speaker 6 (01:33:31):
That's something that you have to watch on you know,
watch on film. What I will say is it's a mentality.
It's an attitude. And here as of late, our run
game just hasn't been able to do anything offensively and
then defensively. I mean, the players like, we just gotta
play better, we gotta play better technique, gotta lock our
guy out in front of us, and really just I mean,
that's what it comes down to, locking the guy out
in front of you, dominating, dominating him and making a tackle.

Speaker 1 (01:33:54):
What do you do with balls? Just to be.

Speaker 6 (01:33:59):
I'm not sure. I mean, that's something that you know,
I have to I have to think about. You know,
we have a long flight back, and I'm not sure.
It's not like all of a sudden, you know, we
did something different and now we're a soft football team.
It's just the mentality that we got to get back in.
The guys, do you think.

Speaker 18 (01:34:14):
You need to consider a change the.

Speaker 5 (01:34:18):
Look?

Speaker 6 (01:34:18):
Once again? Well, I'll go back over I'll go back
over the film and yeah, from where I was standing, like,
even when you're in a right call, in the right call,
they're still not doing their job. So that's on me.

Speaker 1 (01:34:32):
The decision to go for the two point conversion after the.

Speaker 6 (01:34:35):
Touchdown, yup, yup, So that that decision at some point
in time, you have to go for two, and I
just wanted to at least know what situation we were
gonna be and with more time on the clock, so
we went for two on the first one. You know,
s I'm sure other people see the different ways, just
the philosophical thing.

Speaker 1 (01:34:51):
What uh what'd you see on the punk of your touch?

Speaker 6 (01:34:54):
I saw guys getting out leveraged. I saw a punt
down the middle of the field, which is always difficult
to cover. And look, he has a strong leg and
he out kicked his coverage and we weren't disciplined in
our lanes.

Speaker 1 (01:35:07):
Is at the.

Speaker 6 (01:35:07):
Start, I thought, Drag you know, did a good job,
especially starting the game off fast. He made some good throws,
he made some plays with his legs. Uh. But again
I have to go back to the film and really
just study that draw with the.

Speaker 9 (01:35:19):
Straight loss or worried that the players at all?

Speaker 6 (01:35:24):
No, I'm not worried about that. Look, the guys, they
understand every week is its own weekend. You know, it's
my job, you know, we'll get there on Wednesdays, is
to change the page.

Speaker 10 (01:35:31):
So you.

Speaker 1 (01:35:36):
Feel farther away than maybe even you.

Speaker 16 (01:35:39):
Wow took his job?

Speaker 1 (01:35:41):
No, not at all.

Speaker 6 (01:35:41):
You know, look, I don't wanna go back and say
we should have won this or should cause we should
have lo I mean we could have lost all of
the games. And saying that we just gotta keep working,
going out there with the players that we have and
and get better.

Speaker 1 (01:35:55):
Offensively.

Speaker 8 (01:35:56):
What do you think that having success?

Speaker 6 (01:35:59):
I mean that kind of goes back to what I
said earlier. It's a mentality. It's a mentality and it's
about re establishing the line of scrimmage. I mean, yeah,
we need more from Polk, We need more concentration. Uh,
he'll be a a good player in this league. Just
gotta continue to work at it.

Speaker 1 (01:36:18):
Offensively.

Speaker 4 (01:36:19):
You had ten points on the first two drives, But
what did you see change after that?

Speaker 6 (01:36:27):
Again, I'll go back and look at the film. Uh
it it would be easy to say, you know, the
you know, the vibe on the sideline was down. It
wasn't down. It was still Ugh it wasj I. It
always comes back to execution in my eyes, and just
didn't do it. It wasn't like a big adjustment that
was made or anything. Like that. We just wanna make
in the place.

Speaker 11 (01:36:44):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:36:45):
I mean, do you wish you had brought the team
are earlier.

Speaker 6 (01:36:48):
To get like that? Nah? H. Look, once again, we
started the game off fast and they felt you know,
they felt good. I asked multiple players and we just
didn't finish. But usually word.

Speaker 1 (01:36:59):
Concentration when you were talking.

Speaker 6 (01:37:02):
Is a almost growing toward the Oh. I don't think so.
I think every single week is its own weekend.

Speaker 1 (01:37:08):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (01:37:09):
You gotta hit the reset button.

Speaker 1 (01:37:10):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (01:37:10):
And that includes concentration, attention to the details, all of
those things.

Speaker 1 (01:37:14):
How that concern?

Speaker 11 (01:37:16):
How do you use how do you motivation?

Speaker 6 (01:37:19):
What do you struggle like to Well, first, I have
to remind him he's a young football player, and I'm
not using that as an excuse, but I mean, this
isn't the last iteration or evolution of Jalen polp. He
She says, to get back in the in the in
the uh the meeting rooms, and then go back out
there on the field and get better.

Speaker 1 (01:37:36):
A message to them.

Speaker 6 (01:37:40):
Every time I talk to you guys, I I n
understand that the players read all of that stuff. So
I always use this vehicle as a way to reinforce
a message or get a message out to those guys.
Do you think there's always a way to be harder.
I think there's there's always a balance in doing that. Again,
like we you know, six straight losses. I mean they

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they feel bad about it as well as a professional player,
like you feel bad about losses just like everyone else.
And it's about just going back to the drawing board
and trying to put some stuff together.

Speaker 3 (01:38:10):
They describe a team as a soft and me, how
would you.

Speaker 6 (01:38:13):
Describe the coaching staff?

Speaker 16 (01:38:16):
Uh?

Speaker 6 (01:38:16):
Look, the coaches it well, first it starts with me,
and you know, it's about just the mentality of going
back to having a tough football team and I just
have to do a better job. And like I said,
I'll you know, I'll uh think it through on the
playing right home, the fun where you just feel close challenging.

Speaker 1 (01:38:34):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (01:38:35):
Look, it's hard to win football games in the NFL,
and I I totally understand that. I've talked to season coaches,
head coaches around the league and they say the same thing.
It's tough. It's tough. And then once again, uh, every
week is its own week. Coach what last process school?

Speaker 7 (01:38:48):
Uh?

Speaker 18 (01:38:49):
So of the most successful begin up one six second
off the season. What's what goes to people in the
place to the least can shoot.

Speaker 1 (01:38:55):
That's gonna be something this team.

Speaker 10 (01:38:58):
Yup.

Speaker 6 (01:38:59):
I think the main goal is the next week, thank you,
and there you go.

Speaker 1 (01:39:03):
There's your head. Coach. Drob Mayo asked about Jalen polk
Uh softening a little bit, saying that he will be
a good player in this league. He just needs to
continue to work at it. Didn't say anything about his
mental issues. Also asked about the decision to go for it,
go for two after scoring the touchdown, and uh, you
know what, he brought up something that we hadn't mentioned before.

(01:39:23):
If that way they know what they need. So I
think I think he's I think he's brought me around
on this. He he did say it's a philosophical decision.
Other people disagree.

Speaker 3 (01:39:36):
Why wouldn't like if it was just about knowing what
you need, right, Why wouldn't you just kick a field
goal on third down?

Speaker 1 (01:39:43):
Save some time? Well, now you know what you need,
right right?

Speaker 7 (01:39:47):
You know?

Speaker 3 (01:39:49):
He set it down nine with down twelve.

Speaker 1 (01:39:52):
Knowing what you need, knowing what you have, knowing what
you can do without. That's inventory. I don't I don't.
I don't get it. I just don't get it either.

Speaker 3 (01:40:01):
There's a lot of analytics stuff that is sort of
taking the league over that I think has been for
the better. I think more teams are willing to go
forward on fourth down, even in uncon unconventional spots on
the field, which I think is smart. I think it's
good football. I just can't understand why you would rather
be down nine so you know you need two scores
with eight minutes left from the game, rather than be

(01:40:22):
down eight no one, you only need one score.

Speaker 1 (01:40:24):
I know it's a philosophy. I don't know why I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:40:27):
I don't understand why it's better because you know what
you need. I don't understand that.

Speaker 4 (01:40:31):
Yeah, i'd say too on Polk, Like, I don't think
I've ever seen anything like this. I mean it's not
that extreme, but like I've never in my time here
watching all the training camp and seeing a player and
thinking like, all right, this guy's going to be pretty
good to just see kind of a mental block. I
don't know that's the tweet or I guess the ig
story that he put up with just the peace sign,

(01:40:53):
But I don't know. I just I've never usually can
get a good sense of how player is. And you know,
we've seen plenty of receivers over my time. Year man,
that guy just can't get open. He's inconsistent, he has
drops or he gets hurt. And with Polke it he felt. Man,
he looks pretty solid and somehow he is. Uh, he's
just I've never seen a player kind of fighting it
like this before.

Speaker 1 (01:41:12):
All right, what did Drake May have to say after
his performance today in the thirty two to sixteen loss
to the Jaguars in London. Let's hear from the quarterback
right now?

Speaker 8 (01:41:26):
Character.

Speaker 22 (01:41:30):
Yeah, No, We've been preaching fast start, you know, VP
he want us to start fast.

Speaker 1 (01:41:34):
He said it last week. We didn't do it.

Speaker 22 (01:41:35):
But I feel like, you know, we did that today
and just didn't sustain it long enough. You know, had
some chances down in the red zone that second drive
that wish I have back. No other than that, I
think what coach Mayo's preaching me have to run the football,
and when we do throw it on first and second down,
then we gotta I gotta find some completions to get
us in you know, third manageable. You know, third and
longs hard in this league.

Speaker 5 (01:41:54):
And I thought.

Speaker 22 (01:41:56):
The guy's battle, you know, especially up front. This guy's
playing their butts off those guys a lot up front,
and I feel like we made some plays just not
good enough.

Speaker 16 (01:42:03):
What do you think.

Speaker 1 (01:42:06):
Fast start?

Speaker 22 (01:42:07):
Yeah, I think yeah, But I think other than maybe
one or two other games this season, we just you know,
we hadn't fast started fast in a while. It was
kind of it was something new for us. So you know,
probably the guys were starting fast. I think I had,
you know, KB open and you know the third down
down there, you know, in the second drive, maybe punch
one in, you'll punch another one in, and you know,
maybe a different ball game, so maybe you know, a

(01:42:29):
couple of throws here and there, you know for me
as well. And then other than that, we just gotta,
I guess, just find out your ways to you know,
get first downs. And I feel like the Jackson nice
job of you know, time possession shoot we had for
a while there in the second half, one drive the
whole half until the end, so.

Speaker 1 (01:42:44):
Uh, no credit him.

Speaker 22 (01:42:47):
And then just gotta, I don't know, work harder, Uh
find something different, you know, find something different.

Speaker 21 (01:42:54):
Here.

Speaker 1 (01:42:54):
And several times and you say that.

Speaker 22 (01:42:59):
To yeah, I mean, coach Mayo's not gonna come in
here and say something he hasn't said us in the
locker room. You know, I think you're not tough. You
always preach being tough. He appreachies today. You know, being
tough is you know, running the football, stop in the
run and covering kicks is what he said. So I
think he does a great job of leading the leela
and the messages and then the guys know, you know,
John Jones gave speech after the game saying, you know

(01:43:20):
you gotta find it. You know, you gotta find something
and uh, you know what we're doing is not good enough,
and you've got a man up.

Speaker 1 (01:43:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 22 (01:43:40):
I think the little things. I think little things like
you know, the false stars that falls off on me.
We gotta be more, you know, clearing up front with
the cadence, with the line and and those guys. But
other than that, I took care of the football maybe
one time, uh one, two times endangered it and then
on that last one the fourth down just it's just
football there. But uh than that, I feel like I'm
seeing it well, make a few different throws. But other

(01:44:03):
than that, I think you do a better job on
the sideline sometimes pumping the guys up or you know,
really in some messages to different guys that may you
may see this, Hey what are you thinking, and and
little things like that. But you know, I thought we
you know, had some some bright spots again today, but
like I said, not good enough. Yeah, they uh guys,

(01:44:24):
it's the hot you know, we're hot to the back
and they ended up bringing I think back are in
safety and you know, they dropped out the guy the
defense vent on the opposite side. So just find a completion,
you know it third and Timber already field goal range
and then Hasey made play. I think they'll do more
of that of getting her guys the ball and let
him make plays. And I thought I tried to do
that today. I found the checkdowns you know, uh uh,
you know, besides that last drive just when they're playing deep.

(01:44:46):
You know, I found some checkdowns earlier on in the
game that helped us. And I feel like, you know,
a little plays like that in the first second down.
Can you'll go a long way for us.

Speaker 1 (01:44:56):
This week?

Speaker 5 (01:44:56):
As do these feel.

Speaker 22 (01:45:02):
Weel, yeah, I think more and more, you know, more
and more you're out there and you've seeing different things,
seeing different fronts, seeing different cover coverages and uh getting
a better feel. You know, I think the Jags, you know,
did some different stuff of playing guys a different spot
in the same coverage and then other than that, you know,
I'm here to help the football team win and we're
not getting that done, so you gotta do something different. Yeah, No,

(01:45:35):
I think you know, JP's a great player. You know
he's making plays. You know that it's a little slick
out there. Sometimes the ball's on the paint and you know,
the paint all over the ball, so it's I think,
you know, it's just the field a little bit better
than that. I gotta find ways to get the football early.
You know, I can get him in the game early.
I think that will help help him. You'll feel involved.
Gotta make a better throw to him on the corner
out on the first drives, you know, little things like

(01:45:56):
that to get him involved. Cause you know, he's a
good player for us and you know we need him
out there. So it's on me to you know, kind
of get him going. And throughout the week he's always
asked me to watch film and and little things like that,
and I guess so after practice he's always there, so
you know, maybe You've got to do more. You know
what we're doing is that, you know, do more.

Speaker 1 (01:46:14):
Guys starting to how.

Speaker 22 (01:46:18):
Game the last Yeah, you know, Pop's a great player
for us, and you made a great you'll play on.
You know, a couple of good players in the first drive.
But you know it's next man up. You know this
is the NFL. You know, some big dudes clodding into
each other out there on the field. So you got
the next man up. And you'll credit to Pop for
battling through and being out there as much as he can.
He's a great player for us and hopefully have him back.

Speaker 1 (01:46:40):
Thank You'll all right, there goes Drake May after his
performance today thirty two to sixteen the final from London,
where uh he himself played well early on, certainly during
the uh the opening driver to ended up twenty six
at thirty seven on the day for two hundred and
seventy six yards, two touchdowns, no picks, but certainly not
enough after things just kind of stalled and the defense

(01:47:03):
couldn't get a stop. I didn't even know it, I
didn't even plan on doing it, but I think I've
just kind of encapsulated my thoughts on.

Speaker 4 (01:47:11):
Today's game that's pretty much it, right, I mean, you
just you'd love to see what would happen if they
had a little bit more of a running game, if
they got some stops on defense, if they got forbid,
got some takeaways on defense, things like that that can
affect the game positively for the Patriots offense and put
them in a better position.

Speaker 5 (01:47:24):
So, you know, they did a little bit, but not.

Speaker 4 (01:47:26):
Enough, and they certainly didn't get much help from them
more to special teams.

Speaker 1 (01:47:30):
There's been another explanation of the decision to go for
too early from Ben Volin. He says it's probably the
right decision. There's still down nine, but now they know
they need two scores and have a twenty two left.
Had they waited until the end of the game to
go for two and failed, they wouldn't have had enough
time to make it up. One of the first comments

(01:47:50):
after that post was the quote, it's better to be
down two scores than one score in a game you've
struggled to score points in with with the guy with
the guy with uh what's his name from the hangover? Yeah, yeah, doing.

Speaker 4 (01:48:06):
The the ra beautiful mind.

Speaker 1 (01:48:08):
Yeah yeah, it's like no, no, you're you're not gonna
get I need something in all seriousness, so we've had
some fun with the whole nine thing, right, I need
somebody to give me something.

Speaker 3 (01:48:18):
Other than you know what you need. I need another reason,
another factor.

Speaker 1 (01:48:23):
Give me some give me. Give me a stance as
a percentage of success for teams that have done it
both ways, where are you more likely to succeed but
to situations? How about that to me? Like that's see.

Speaker 3 (01:48:37):
I think that's part of the problem is too much
of the analytics is completely results oriented. It's not you know,
I've seen a million bad decisions that worked. It doesn't
make it right just because it worked. So I would
like I just scoreboard. I get yeah, thank you Felger,
perfect scoreboard perfect because I don't know if you know,
but Patrick Mahomes didn't play as a rookie and he

(01:48:57):
turned out to be a great quarterback. So that means
if he had played is a rookie, he would stink
right scoreboard, scoreboard. So I can't point you're trying to
make it. My point is maybe if he played as
a rookie he'd be even better.

Speaker 1 (01:49:10):
I don't know. He never played as a rookie, so
I can't.

Speaker 3 (01:49:12):
Really prove that, but scoreboard tells me that he's a
really good player and absence of scoreboard, Right, that's what
you said, So I need something other than.

Speaker 1 (01:49:22):
That way you know what you need?

Speaker 3 (01:49:23):
Because I like, why is it better? Like so there's
eight minutes left and I know I need one score? Like,
what's wrong with that?

Speaker 4 (01:49:29):
Because all I hear is I'd rather know I'm down
by two scores than be down by one score.

Speaker 1 (01:49:33):
No, but like that way, you know what you need.

Speaker 3 (01:49:36):
If you kick it and you're down eight, you don't
know what you need, Like I need something other than
you know what you need?

Speaker 1 (01:49:43):
That is all that's the you know what you just
you saved it for the end, but that's the best point.
If you kicked the extra point, you know what you need.

Speaker 3 (01:49:52):
That's why I'm That's why I'm harping on that phrase
so much, like why is it better to know you
need two scores than one?

Speaker 6 (01:49:59):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:50:00):
Either way, you know what you need? Do see need
anything else? Do you have any other final thoughts?

Speaker 8 (01:50:04):
No?

Speaker 5 (01:50:04):
No, I don't.

Speaker 4 (01:50:05):
It was a tough loss and I'm not really Yeah,
the Jets coming in with Devanta Adams will see how
that looks with them and you know, it's a rejuvenated offense.
The defense they just got to find something. They gotta
find ways to get stops, makefield. They don't know the
players really to go to. I'm not sure how they're
gonna pull it out of a hat.

Speaker 3 (01:50:21):
Yeah, this I totally agree with Mike. If you cannot
find a way to play better defense, it's not really
gonna matter.

Speaker 1 (01:50:27):
Well, gentlemen, it's been an absolute uh giggle fest being
back with you. Thank you so much for having our
three coming out. It's been a gas. It's been a gas.

Speaker 21 (01:50:36):
No.

Speaker 1 (01:50:37):
No, as a matter of fact, there is no hour three.

Speaker 3 (01:50:39):
I really do appreciate you coming. Yeah, I would it
would have taken away our fun if Mike, if you know,
I would have made my coast. So it would have
taken some.

Speaker 4 (01:50:45):
Time when you have like a brief fling with your
ex and they get, God, what do we have?

Speaker 5 (01:50:49):
Work?

Speaker 1 (01:50:51):
Work?

Speaker 5 (01:50:52):
Why couldn't we make this? Well, we're in love with
different people now, so what.

Speaker 10 (01:50:54):
Do you want?

Speaker 1 (01:50:54):
If I stuck around for a third hour, it'd be
painfully obvious why it didn't work. But no, I I've
watched the show every week with you and Matt, and
it's been great, so thank you for having me back
for this game today, presented by DraftKings here on the
Patriots Postgame Show, the final score for the final time
Patriots sixteen Jaguars thirty two. Thank you for listening and watching.

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