Patriots Postgame Show 10/6: Full Analysis of 15-10 Loss to the Dolphins

Tune-in as we break down everything that stood out from the Patriots 15-10 loss to the Miami Dolphins in Week 5. We bring you the good, the bad and the injured. Plus, we replay postgame press conferences from Jerod Mayo and Jacoby Brissett.

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Speaker 5 (00:35):
Here's Matt Smith.

Speaker 3 (00:38):
And we welcome you inside Juett Stadium. We're moments ago
the Patriots lose to the Miami Dolphins in a score
fifteen to ten. Our TPX hotline is eight five to
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Paul Perrillo. Here, Paul, you're give me an instant analysis.

Speaker 1 (00:57):
Yeah, I mean, it's just a disappointing performance. I thought overall,
we talked a lot about all the different things that
we wanted to see today, and it wasn't just you know, well,
let's clean everything up. We wanted to see a sort
of different style and some more aggressiveness offensively and production,
I should say, not necessarily aggresive. It's more production. And

(01:17):
we didn't really see any of it. And to the contrary, Matt,
we saw a lot of mistakes again today they had
almost as many penalties as first downs.

Speaker 3 (01:27):
Thirteen accepted was when I I that's what I counted.

Speaker 1 (01:30):
So it was I just thought this one, to me
was the most disappointing. This was a team that came
in in Miami and you were right, you said it,
and you did. You convinced me when you said it
at the time in the pregame show that Miami had
plenty to play for and they would put a spirited
effort and the Miami played hard, but they're just without
too much and to allow that that semblance of an

(01:54):
offense to move the ball the way it did all
day is really disappointing.

Speaker 3 (01:58):
Yeah, where to start. There's just so many different places
that the head scratching, time management and play calling at
the end of the half pall that was a very
very key sequence.

Speaker 1 (02:11):
YEA, No, that's going to come up on definitely going
to come up again on the good, the bad, and
the injured. It's like, you know, we can we can
talk about a lot of things. You know about that,
you know, things that you're looking for looking at error repeaters, right,
you want to see things. You want to see mistakes
not get repeated. And that's almost a carbon CopyMat that

(02:34):
that sequence that you're talking about, it's almost a cobbon
copy of what happened in Seattle. Yeah, and only because
of the utter incompetence of Miami. It didn't hurt you, right,
it didn't hurt you because of you know, snapping the
ball just before the two minute warning when no one
was looking for a twenty five yard loss Kashua one
field goal if you're Miami, and then your role of

(02:55):
snapback on the field goal that you get gifted by
the poor clock management that you're discussing. So this is
the Patriots have only themselves to blame for this game today.
Miami gave them more than ample opportunity to win the
game and they just couldn't do it right, you know,
right down to the last play. I really think that's
a play on the second down play, I think Jayleen
Post got to get his feed in bounds on that

(03:16):
and I just you know it's it's there's a lot
of different things that they're not quite doing that, and
it's sort of emblematic of teams that you know, one
and four.

Speaker 3 (03:27):
I'm not Dean Blandano or Mike Perera Paul. I don't
know what the official rule is, and maybe I should
know what I apologize. The toe isn't enough to get
in for Polk.

Speaker 1 (03:35):
No toe, heel, heel came down out of bounds. Half
of foot came down out of bounds. Really, that wasn't
all that close.

Speaker 3 (03:40):
I just didn't know if the toe could get you
could get you in, and it didn't.

Speaker 1 (03:45):
Now the toe can get you in on the side,
you know, like if your toes are down and then
you fall over, But once your foot comes down out
of bounds, it's out of bounds. Like it's it's pretty clear.

Speaker 3 (03:54):
And by no means I'm not trying to sit here
and put I.

Speaker 1 (03:57):
Know, I know if I know you're not. But like
you know, there was a hue and cry, you know
in the stands. People obviously just are not aware of
the rule. And I think Jalen Polk might be one
of them, you know, you know, he was adamant last
week that he was in bounds on a play that
he wasn't, and I think he was really upset when
he looked at the replay today. So yeah, that's some

(04:17):
things that I think they have to sort of figure out.
But that's kind of secondary to the issues Mike. We
were just sort of getting started here and I just
sort of opened deuce with like the stuff that we
wanted to see progress in in terms of, you know,
some more production, some more production, you know, particularly in
the passing game. We didn't see any of it, and

(04:39):
instead we saw maybe a regression in terms of a
flurry of mistakes, more almost as many penalties as his
first downs. Just not a really good performance overall.

Speaker 5 (04:49):
No, it wasn't. It wasn't.

Speaker 6 (04:50):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (04:51):
You got a couple of plays, I think, a couple
of big plays. I mean, i'd even say throughout the
contest there were a handful of big plays here and
there that that kind of offset some of those bad mistakes,
especially early on with you know, the big play by Remondre.
But you know that was kind of it for the
end zone. So yeah, just disappointing effort. You thought they
were almost going to pull out a miracle there at
the end, and as you guys touched upon just fell short.

Speaker 3 (05:12):
It's this is is it exactly coming from amos Alonzo
stock stag here.

Speaker 1 (05:16):
But tough to win when you score ten points.

Speaker 3 (05:19):
Absolutely, they butchered a field goal that would have, you know,
had a factor in the end of the game.

Speaker 1 (05:23):
Yeah, they make the field goal, then it's obviously a
different game at the end. But it was just two
bad teams playing against each other today. If you ask me,
with a flurry of mistakes on both sides, you know,
you can't miss that. It was an extra point thirty
three yard field goal. You can't miss that.

Speaker 7 (05:41):
You know.

Speaker 1 (05:42):
The sixty three yards are all well and good, but
we need we need the thirty three yards, especially a
team that is so offensively challenged. It's a good point, Matt,
because then obviously you can kick a field goal at
the end, and you know, and you have a chance
to take the leave Patriots lose fifteen to ten. Matt.
Let's go to the good, the bad, and the injured pleaser.

Speaker 5 (06:00):
It's time for the good, pretty good, pretty pretty good,
the bad what happened?

Speaker 8 (06:08):
And the injured?

Speaker 9 (06:08):
Ah ah, you are right, guy, I'm only five into
these Pallen Mike, would you say, is it's safe to say,
is we're going to this not a lot of good
and a lot of bad as we break this win down.

Speaker 5 (06:23):
Mike, Ah, I don't. I don't have to put labels
on a Matt. We'll just have to We'll just have
to see how it goes. Sometimes Paul's got some random
goods or random bads. You never quite know.

Speaker 1 (06:31):
You have to put my read Yeah, he's.

Speaker 5 (06:32):
Gonna put his readers on. He's gonna dive down.

Speaker 1 (06:34):
Do you want to start, Mike?

Speaker 10 (06:35):
Oh? Sure.

Speaker 5 (06:35):
I think that there were you know, maybe a few
more goods today than there might have been the last
couple of weeks. But I'll start with tomorrow. Douglas. I
thought he was pretty effective, and I mean for a
stagnant passing game, big play down there at the end,
I mean, really to make it interesting. I mean, I
think he had probably the two best plays of the day.
So you know, it's just a little bit of production
from pop. Like to see it, like to see him
getting involved and hopefully he can you know, continue to

(06:57):
build on with Yeah.

Speaker 1 (06:57):
I like the way that Mike said it because it
wasn't necessarily you know, six for fifty nine. It was
nothing really to write home about. But there were two
plays in this game that I have not seen all season,
and they were both to you know, crossing routes to
to Mario Douglas. So when you initially said Papa, was like,
what did he do? And I was like, no, you
know what. Those were two offensive plays that we had

(07:18):
today and they were both him, and they were both
as a result of his speed, I think, sort of
streaking across the middle of the field.

Speaker 5 (07:24):
So you'll snap that one.

Speaker 1 (07:26):
Oh wow, co sign, thank you sign on that one.
I will start off with just the early special teams
I thought was on it. I thought, right from the
opening kick, Christian Ellis nice tackle, you know, short of
the touch back line, and I thought that they did
a good job of you know, you block a you

(07:49):
block a punt, Bred Brendan schooler gets a hand on
a punt. Good play. Yeah No, I'm just like I
just thought the special teams And this is gonna sound stupid,
and you're gonna say I'm hypocritical. I don't necessarily think
of a missed field goal as a special teams like
that's not necessarily for the Miami it is because you
roll a snapback. That's why you miss a field goal,

(08:11):
but you don't ever get it off, but you know,
the kicker kicks it and it goes up and it missed.
That's not having anything to do with any of the
scheme or the operation execution of the of the players
other than the kicker himself. So I thought special teams
were I thought the special teams were worthy of a
good list today in general.

Speaker 3 (08:32):
I'm gonna I'm gonna have to it's tough to say
that when you whiff on a chip shot field goal,
because that's a special teams unit that's out there on
the field.

Speaker 1 (08:41):
I know the operations. It's fair. But I thought they
had four other plays that that almost won the game
for you gotta make the kick.

Speaker 3 (08:46):
I'll give you another special teams play that was poor.
What's the Antonio Gibson field in the ball back in
the fourth quarter on that?

Speaker 1 (08:52):
What are we doing?

Speaker 4 (08:53):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (08:53):
I thought that was a strange decision by him. Cost
him six yards? Did it cost him ten? Cost them?
They got the nineteen instead of the twenty five, which
would have gone to the twenty five on mat But yeah, no,
you're right, You're right. The special teams weren't perfect. I
just thought that it was a poor decision, but it wasn't. Oh,
it absolutely was. I was with Mike and Evan at

(09:15):
the time and I said the same thing, So yeah,
I think you're right, Matt. See this is you're in.
You're five in. So this is how it works.

Speaker 5 (09:22):
It's give and take.

Speaker 1 (09:22):
No seriously, you throw the goods out there and then
you either agree or you disagree and listened to someone else.

Speaker 3 (09:28):
This was a strong good that I had, and I
don't know how I'm quite strong how great I feel
about it at the completion of the game, and that
was Christian Gonzalez.

Speaker 5 (09:35):
Yep, I'm with him.

Speaker 1 (09:35):
He's worthy of a good today, don't you.

Speaker 5 (09:37):
Think absolutely had the interception, nice play, I mean.

Speaker 3 (09:39):
Just should have had another one, by the way by
Tyreek Hill play by Tyreek, And I just thought to,
you know, kind of stick with him a though late
in the down too, because that's just that's the time
when Tyreek just got that extra juice.

Speaker 5 (09:48):
So uh yeah, just I think you know you're seeing
it from Gonzalez every week. I just after training camp,
everyone was so quick because he had such a good
four games last year to like anoint him the next
great thing, and it's and I feel like that's doing
him a disservice because it's just kind of skipping this
part now, which is starting to see some development, seeing
him start to make some plays in the ball. He
got an interception last year against Miami, so maybe he's

(10:10):
got something against Miami with those picks. But no, he's
he's a really, really good player. I'm glad we have him.

Speaker 1 (10:16):
He had a tough task today because you got the
safeties playing in Sharon and he's asked to track two
very quick guys across the field. I thought there were
back to back plays early in the game that couldn't
be better. One he had waddle on an out that
he had blanket coverage on and then the next play

(10:38):
was the diving interception. That was kind of it for
me though, Yeah, no, I love I love those two plays,
little Fasty. It is kind of out there.

Speaker 5 (10:45):
That twenty one yard at Tyreek at the end is
tough play where he's you know, staying ahead of hand.
Everybody sit down.

Speaker 1 (10:51):
Gonzales would absolutely not be anywhin near anything that I
would have to say negative about this game. He'd be
fifty three out of the fifty three like he was.
He was probably their best players. Like, I'm not trying
to tell you that I would have put him on
the bad list. I'm just saying he had. He had
a tough task today chasing those guys, and I thought
the damage was limited by Tyler Huntley, but not by

(11:14):
anything that the coverage did when they needed it. Huntley
was there. Huntley was money was terrible. I don't know
that he was. That throw in the end zone, that
throw in the end zone that Gonzales should have picked
up should have been a touchdown. I would realized that,
right if he holds on to that, he's gone. No no, no, no.
If there was an NFL quarterback throwing the ball, it's
a touchdown.

Speaker 3 (11:36):
How about another one again? Maybe with everything in front
of him? And what were the expectations. I thought Mapu
played okay today? You know again it's Waddle and it's Hill.

Speaker 5 (11:48):
I'm sad you stolen from me that because I was
ready to jump on him right away anything. No, I
mean just to put him up. I mean I I
was chomping at the bit too, because I'm just amazed
at what he did today. It's terrific. I mean calling
signals in the huddle, playing you know, a linebacker role,
playing a safety role. I don't know if he played
every snap. He might have, but we talked about in

(12:10):
the pregame show, the guy's basically practiced three days since
like last year, and to come out and to play
that much and to look pretty good, like, I mean,
he just he didn't look overwhelmed. I was like, I'm
kind of encouraged just to have him out there and
in the mix. All of a sudden, I didn't really
know what to expect from him this summer. How's he
going to fit in with Dugger and Peppers. I think
they've got a little bit of a player there that
that they can play with. So I I, you know, look,

(12:31):
this is a miserable loss, and then it feels crappy
right now. But Marty Matti, I am like what.

Speaker 1 (12:37):
I wrote, and I just just to say I'm jumping
on the bandwagon I had. I just wrote fifteen in general, yeah, Mapoo,
in general. I don't know how well we played, right,
I couldn't tell you I agree with you on that,
but to step off onto the field and play, I
think you're right, Mike. I think he played pretty much
every snap, not one hundred percent, if not one hundred percent,
pretty damn close.

Speaker 4 (12:57):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (12:57):
He was doing exactly what Mike said, like running the huddle,
he's calling the signals. He's playing traditional linebacker next to
ray Kwan McMillen. He's playing back deep safety next to
Jalen Hawkins. He was all over the place. Again, I
couldn't tell you how well he played. I'm sure he
was out of position on a number of plays, and
I'm sure he was in position on a number of others.
But just to do what he did today, I think

(13:20):
is really impressive. And yeah, you would figure that he's
only going to get better as he gets a little bit,
you know, his legs.

Speaker 5 (13:27):
Under and he gets that fourth practice in this year, right,
be ready to go? I just say too. I think
it afforded them a little bit of flexibility that they
weren't able to put all of it on Julani to
vay and move him out to the edge. And I
don't know what the communication things were. I mean, I'm
sure that there were a couple of guys probably doing
the communication, but from what I saw, a lot of
the time it's mapou linding guys up I mean this

(13:48):
kid's barely even played. I mean he barely played as
a rookie.

Speaker 1 (13:50):
I had him just for that alone.

Speaker 5 (13:53):
Crazy.

Speaker 3 (13:53):
But I think you're going to see this week there's
gonna be a lot of expectator. Now the bar has
been shifted on Mapu too. Well, when's he going to
play too well? Now he's contributing.

Speaker 1 (14:01):
You get on the good list today for doing for
playing every play, and like in three weeks that won't
be enough, but for today, it's it. It got all
three of us to notice it.

Speaker 5 (14:11):
Yeah, but also the good list league, and I you know,
I'm hesitant to say it, and I'm gonna I'll just
kind of mention it without putting on the I thought
the third down defense was pretty good today until the end,
you know, and that's did they run out of time?
I think they kind of ran out of gas at
the end, that's, you know. And and so you gotta
go by the game winning drive and that they were
to get off the field.

Speaker 1 (14:30):
But two for elevens, two for eleven, I got it. Yeah,
I mean I would put the air down defense in
this game in general was outstanding. Yeah, both teams are
really good on the put.

Speaker 5 (14:38):
It on then. But but yeah, I thought that was
that was a key part of you know, just keeping
the game close. I mean, Miami, Miami had a lot
more juice than the Patriots did on offense today. But
whether he was whether it was penalties or you know,
stops by the defense. Certainly some of those stops were
aided by penalties that ended up with third and longs
and those kind of things. But still I thought that
was really where the game was kept man bull and

(15:00):
you know, you were slowly able to hold onto that
lead that evaporated over the last night.

Speaker 3 (15:04):
One of the things that was tremendously frustrating as a
takeaway from a Patriots fan is they come in shorthanded.
You know, they knew that they had to how they
had to play in order to try to stay in
this game, and for the most part they did. There's
some things that the coaching staff can look back on
and really hang their hat on and say, hey, we
got something here, we got something here.

Speaker 1 (15:25):
And talking on the Patriots, because I.

Speaker 3 (15:27):
Think they made a couple of different plays that to
kind of keep him in the game. But at the
end of the day, it wasn't good enough. That long
drive was at eighty yards at the end of the
game when they were gassing, they get run over. They
just they they couldn't. They couldn't get off the field
at the end and credit Miami for winning the game.

Speaker 5 (15:42):
Yeah, that was which one was that? That was a
fifteen play eighty yard drive. I don't have anything that
took up seven and a half minutes, So that to
me was I mean, that's the game.

Speaker 1 (15:54):
I thought it was embarrassing, right, I thought that drive
was an embarrassment. All they did was line up and
run the ball. They said, there's no way are going
to let that guy cost us the game. We're gonna
run right at you. We're going to tell you we're
gonna run right at you, and you can't stop.

Speaker 3 (16:05):
Back to back plays right for sixteen, and most start
right after that the next play for eighteen, and that's
when you know that that was trouble.

Speaker 1 (16:12):
So I did have more more things than the good.

Speaker 4 (16:14):
I think.

Speaker 1 (16:16):
Interesting that evidently three plays was the benching. Ramondre Stevenson
I thought ran really well in this game. You know,
obviously as the big touchdown, but I thought he ran
well in addition to that that play, though the touchdown,
the thirty three yard touchdown was really well blocked. I'm
going to give Michael when you a shout out again

(16:36):
at guard. He just looks like he's a different guy
in there. The pass protection overall wasn't all that much better.
But I thought that run play with with Stevenson, and
I thought Gibson ran well too, you know, six for
fifty two, you know, with a twenty four yard run.
Those two guys, you know, Gibson's run in the fourth
quarter should have been one of those that's a huge
that's a huge play, like it gets you like it.

(17:00):
It's the field. And then they let Miami just drive
down the field anyway and it didn't matter. But I
thought that the running backs, I had him both on
my good list.

Speaker 3 (17:07):
And a nice little block by Booty by the way,
besides big Mic.

Speaker 1 (17:10):
Yes, yes, yes, nice good job. More Booty players the
more I like.

Speaker 5 (17:14):
The third nice third down catch for Booty.

Speaker 1 (17:15):
Too terrible missed by Evan Fierson in overtime red deadline.

Speaker 4 (17:19):
Paul likes Booty has joined.

Speaker 3 (17:22):
Us along with Fred Kersho's joined us. Give me some
instant analysis, bost me in.

Speaker 4 (17:28):
It's like two teams that didn't want to win a game.
You know they both handed it to each other. The
call at the end was a good call on Poke.
It was a toe heel thing, although Paul and I disagree.
I think the pass in appearance on Ellis over the
middle of the field was a bang bang play, and
I think Ellis timed it perfectly and it looked bad.
But he came over him after the ball was whizzing by,

(17:51):
so I thought it was a bad by I call honestly.

Speaker 1 (17:54):
Think you're out of your mind, like I think that
was Like it's blatant to pass interferences.

Speaker 4 (17:59):
I know you and I disagreed. Literally, they all got
there not before the ball, not before look at it again.

Speaker 1 (18:05):
I've seen it four times. They showed it on the replay,
and they showed it in the big screen.

Speaker 4 (18:09):
Maybe we can queue it up here. Well, we can
both take a look at it.

Speaker 1 (18:12):
But any.

Speaker 11 (18:14):
And I have it.

Speaker 1 (18:15):
We haven't started the bat we haven't started the bad
list that should be on the batlet. That's one of
the dumbest penalties I've ever seen. On third and thirteen,
I'm tackling a guy for a five yard game. They're
gonna punt on fourth and eight even if he catches it.

Speaker 4 (18:28):
Had he tackled him.

Speaker 1 (18:29):
You would be right.

Speaker 3 (18:30):
And Fox did a really good job to tackle him.

Speaker 1 (18:32):
Fred, you can't say. You can't. You might say that
the ball was.

Speaker 4 (18:36):
Gone, but he tackled him after the ball was gone.

Speaker 1 (18:39):
No, I know, So just tackle him when he catches
the ball instead of tackling him before the ball gets there.

Speaker 3 (18:44):
All right, Fox did a really good job on the
replay on that. I don't know if you guys noticed
it as we were singing Napou's praises for getting everybody
lined up. Ellis was way out of position on that
play and had to come nearly across the field to
try to get back into position, and I think that
helped cause the.

Speaker 1 (18:59):
Pass interference fit. I know, sorry, red Zone. Paul just
won the game.

Speaker 5 (19:03):
For the coming down look out train rolling down the
field inside.

Speaker 4 (19:09):
You guys are talking about. I would agree both running
bats ran hard. I thought that Pop Douglas had a
decent games.

Speaker 1 (19:19):
Now, Matt, his's where just Fred just like repeats everything that.

Speaker 5 (19:25):
The boss Man analysis Watchman analysis.

Speaker 1 (19:28):
Absolutely yeah, Mike let off with with Douglas. I agree
with you, guys, yah, I think we were It was
strangely mostly agreement. I talked about the special teams up
and Matt shot my special teams down.

Speaker 4 (19:38):
But as the game went along, well, wait, not on
the bad yet, so I'll hold off.

Speaker 1 (19:43):
Well, I think have we emptied the bucket on the.

Speaker 5 (19:44):
Good I have.

Speaker 1 (19:45):
I also I wanted to just yeah, well, I thought
the play that Jennings made in the first drive was big, Like,
you know, Miami's driving right down the field, big sack
sort of backed them up a little bit, forced them
to kick a field goal, you know, in the game
that figured to be low scoring. Those are big plays
and I just wanted to give you know, similar to Mapu,

(20:06):
but not anywhere near as significant as map Pho. Is
that the new kid, Roy Chequela. I think it's Tequela.
He showed up on the stat sheet. He was out
there a handful of plays, and pretty much whenever he
was out there, I noticed him and you know, he
was competing. Now, he was also out there when they
were getting run on. So I'm not going to try
to tell you everything's great. They got to steal with

(20:26):
this kid, but I just thought, you know, given the
situation coming up off the practice, squaddi, he played a
role today, That's all I have.

Speaker 3 (20:34):
Just as far as setting edge is concerned, I don't
want to you know, uh you need a little Winsfield wipe,
I do.

Speaker 1 (20:39):
I think these lights. Oh boy, TV.

Speaker 3 (20:45):
I know you talked earlier about the fact that you know,
letting him responsibilities. I saw him set a better edge
and he played. You know, I think it was a
more Jilani Tova kind of a game. That's what they
put him in a better position to succeed.

Speaker 1 (20:59):
To the team defense, I'd agree with that.

Speaker 5 (21:01):
I'd also I mean, not that any of these guys
are on the uplist. They can be on the uplist
to Jason, but just to shout out, I thought, you know, again,
late run defense was tough. I thought Gotcha played well
out of the gate, you know, picking up that sack,
which you know, kind of more of an impact of
the overall pass rush. But uh, you know, a few
few individual plays there by by a couple of guys.
Otherwise I'm good.

Speaker 1 (21:20):
So let's started in ninety three yards rushing.

Speaker 5 (21:23):
Let's let's start with the bad Mike, all right, Where
to begin? I'm gonna start with Nick Leverett. I just
I thought he cleaned it up a little bit. But
we had some penalties early on, We had some free
rushers right up the middle a couple of times. You
know that that that with that bad snap or I
guess he moved the ball forward. I didn't see the
replay of that. I don't know how how good that was.
But you know, I thought Nick Leverette early on, we

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put a lot on him last week kind of stayed
out of the out of the spotlight with no mistakes,
but there were some mistakes early on this this week,
and I thought that set the tone for him. So
Nick Leverett, sorry.

Speaker 1 (21:55):
Yeah, I mean I think that was emblematic of what
I thought the problem was today. In general, it's just
the sloppiness. So you go back early in the game,
you get caught with an extra guy in the field,
and Matt, the more I'm thinking about it, the more
you're right about special teams. I forgot about that play.
You know, they get caught with an extra guy in
the field and they give, you know, on a punt,

(22:19):
Like on a punt, how do you not have your
personnel out there, you know, and you give a free
first down. Just the sloppiness, and Leverett was part of that.
I also just want to write down just in general,
because you guys know how I feel, especially you, Freddie.
I put Adrian Hill in crew bro. Awful, Bro, no
one came to watch you. Eighteen penalties accepted today, twelve

(22:42):
for the Patriots, six for the Dolphins. There had to
be seven holding calls. I'm sorry. I understand that holding
happens a lot. You don't have to call every one
of them, Buddy, you know some of them you can
just let go. It's just and I know the Patriots
committed a lot of penalties, and I'm not trying to
say it was you know, Please don't misunderstand. I'm not
trying to say they got screwed because the Rep's called

(23:02):
so many penalties, but no one came to watch these guys. Suddenly,
and for the first time that I can ever remember
in an NFL game, ten times, Fred, they had to
correct the clock. Yeah, and that to me is an
Adrian Hill problem, not a guy upstairs.

Speaker 4 (23:16):
I don't know about that, Paul. I don't know where
the problem lies on that.

Speaker 1 (23:20):
Have you, Like, can you ever recall that many times
where they had a no And I'm talking about by
one selling I know, so I'm not talking about like
the clock stopped and it shipping. Ever, and it was
like thirty something was wrong. There was one second off
on five out of six plays at the end of
the first time.

Speaker 4 (23:34):
Something was definitely wrong. But I don't know who's so I.

Speaker 1 (23:36):
Just had the whole referee crew on there. I had
no use for them.

Speaker 3 (23:39):
Okay, Well, I think in combination with the two teams
in New England was certainly far more guilty of it
than Miami, who shouldn't escape. But that Kim's not asking
for a copy of this game to uh no be shipped.

Speaker 1 (23:51):
Right.

Speaker 3 (23:52):
It was tough and there was a lot of twitter
noise out there, people complaining. But that was a tough
product to watch today, you know. And I credit the
Fians because it sounded like, at least from my vantage
point buried deep down here in the balls, sounded like
they were loud and into it.

Speaker 1 (24:05):
Yes, no, what did you guys think?

Speaker 4 (24:06):
It's hard to tell from that at all.

Speaker 1 (24:08):
I didn't hear any of that, and I show a
matter of fact, I saw a lot of empty seats
in the second half. There were a lot of blue seats.
It's hard.

Speaker 4 (24:15):
It definitely wasn't loud compared to other games.

Speaker 1 (24:17):
Usually you see the red seats after halftime. I saw
a lot of blue seats today. It was like, where
are you guys? I would have been been happier if
they were like we want may not even that, not
even math I mean when Pope almost Yeah, there was
a good reaction.

Speaker 4 (24:31):
That good people were excited. You know, we know what happened.

Speaker 1 (24:34):
Birds and no boo birds. Yeah, lots.

Speaker 4 (24:38):
Oh they were early early boot birds. Yeah yeah, I
mean they are mostly the play calling.

Speaker 1 (24:43):
They ended up with less than two hundred and ninety
nine yards. They had to have what fifty of it
on the last drive at the end, it was all
Revlon yards.

Speaker 3 (24:51):
Oh yeah yeah, Mike, what else on your bad list?

Speaker 12 (24:54):
Well?

Speaker 5 (24:54):
I think Paul touched on it at the run defense.
I mean I think that's what you know, ultimately let
you down today.

Speaker 1 (25:00):
Yeah, one hundred and ninety thirteen. That was twenty eighth
and rushing.

Speaker 4 (25:04):
And it seemed as they went along it got worse,
and you know, they were just in a blender. They
were spread out. I don't know if that's DeMarcus Covington
and the defenses that he was calling, but something changed
as the game went on, and maybe they were just
scared of you know, getting burned by wattle or hill.
But they loosened up when I don't know if they

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really had to.

Speaker 1 (25:26):
The thing that bugged me Fred it was like they
were giving up some yards in between the tackles, and
they were giving up yards on the edge like they
didn't take anything away.

Speaker 5 (25:35):
I think it was bump like that. Me was just
that when they have the edge kind of set on
those wide zones.

Speaker 1 (25:43):
I didn't realize the Patriots were that bad run defense.
I thought they were better than that.

Speaker 5 (25:46):
Now it looked like they had some of those wide
zones snuffed out and then it would seemed like the
guy would gund it back up and then reach up
and there it is. So they think those are you know,
linebacker issues pursuit coming back. I mean, you've got guys
setting the edge, but you need those guys inside to
we through and navigate the traffic and make the plays.

Speaker 1 (26:02):
And they If you had told me that the Dolphins
were gonna knock on the door of four hundred yards
total offense, I would have said, you're insane.

Speaker 4 (26:08):
Right, And think of how much more they would have
had if they didn't screw up.

Speaker 1 (26:12):
I mean, the between the passes that he missed or
the passes that ended up getting caught that could have
been bigger plays if he didn't, like make Tyreek Hill
slip a disc to catch one over the middle. Like
it's I don't know I sound really I get extra
snarky and cranky when I see really bad football. It
really bothers me, Like there were plays to be made

(26:34):
today and no one could make them, you know, and
we didn't get a chance to watch an NFL game.

Speaker 4 (26:38):
I think it bothers me. Both teams to get into
the twenties easily except for their own mistakes.

Speaker 1 (26:44):
Paul, what else did you have in your bad lists?

Speaker 4 (26:46):
Sir?

Speaker 1 (26:47):
So I wanted to talk about something Matt that right
at the top of the show you brought up. So
we can tag team this one if you want, Like
the whole thing at the end of the first half, again,
it was like a Carburn copy. It would happen against Seattle,
Like you get a break because third down in the
red zone or close to the red zone, the Dolphins
aren't ready to snap it because I'm I'm almost positive
they're trying to get an off side. At the end,

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they're gonna let it run down to the two minute
warning and no one's watching in the center snaps at
twenty five yards behind the line of scrimmage. So you
end up making the punt, which is a blessing. You
save points. Now you take over inside your ten. They
run for eight yards on first down to set up
second in two from the thirteen with what was the
time on the clock at one o seven and the

(27:30):
Dolphins they gave up the Dolphins three timeouts, and the
Dolphins gave up so many yards on first down that
McDaniel wisely did not call time out.

Speaker 4 (27:38):
Right, he figured, okay, well that.

Speaker 1 (27:40):
They did what they did their job. They gonna they're
gonna be able to get out of his hat, and
they throw it twice and downfield. If you want to
like a hard play action, slip someone out into the flat,
you know, and see if he could pick up a cheap,
you know, twelve yards time he threw a fade down
the sideline and had no shot. As matter of fact,

(28:01):
number four I can never pronounce his name.

Speaker 5 (28:03):
Kdu oh Cater. Yeah, you're right, Mike.

Speaker 1 (28:09):
He was actually in a position to make a play,
and Polk made a really good play to make. I
think it was Polk to break and make sure it
wasn't picked off.

Speaker 4 (28:15):
Then they throw it again, Like.

Speaker 1 (28:17):
If it's second and two and you run it twice,
don't you think you're going to get a first down? Yes,
and now at the.

Speaker 4 (28:22):
Very least they're going to have to burn a couple
of time outs, right.

Speaker 1 (28:25):
So I thought that was bad. And then you end
up rocking out because they rolled the snap back on
the field goal that you ended up handing them. And
by the way, I believe, by my unofficial count, Bryce
Brenger in his one hundred and eleven punts this year
so far, has two bad ones and they're both in
that situation. Yep, ye shanked it. You could he shanked

(28:45):
that one, which for him was I mean still like
forty one. Yeah, right, But it's set up a good
altern it's set up a good return by burials, and
they basically would gifted a field goal that they then
handed back because again my annoyance, it was a horrific
play an NFL game with two teams that didn't want
to do it, didn't want to win, and I want
to hear if.

Speaker 3 (29:04):
The questions asked of Gerard in the post game.

Speaker 4 (29:08):
I said, it's going to be a tough one for him.

Speaker 3 (29:10):
I think, you know, Girod says, we want to be
a team that runs a football. You're second and two
inside your own twenty with very little time in the clock.
Just run it out and go home, go back into
the locker room and regroup.

Speaker 1 (29:26):
Let's just say you get five yards on second down.
I have no problem you want to call a time
out and try to do something. But to throw the
ball down field and ensure the other team is going
to get the ball back to me was exactly what
he did against Seattle.

Speaker 5 (29:41):
They got the weirdest identity issues in like crunch time
and that, Like they just seem unsure of who they
are all of a sudden, they just you know, but
they tell us they want to be a run team,
like we'll just run the ball to theay conservative then
like they feel like empowered to take shots. That looks
like we got a little advertisement. Thank you Doc Cloud
for chiming in there with for those watching on the

(30:02):
video feed. Yeah, everybody on the bad List.

Speaker 1 (30:05):
Yeah, that's not.

Speaker 4 (30:06):
The first time to debate. Who's that supposed to be
well rounded?

Speaker 5 (30:09):
I think that's just a general fan perhaps.

Speaker 1 (30:12):
Yeah, nice cartoon. I like who else Paul, I know,
I'm gonna be really cranky to like, I know I'm
gonna come off as really cranky. I just thought you
had a golden opportunity to sort of get yourself right
this week. The other team was just coming into the
fight with with you know, not only they don't have
their quarterback, they lose h in right away with the King. Oh,

(30:35):
by the way, I think, just as everybody knows, I
think he should be forced to retire because he was
in the fencing position after his concussion, so that that
is automatic. You should have to have to retire. The
NFL should step in. They lose him, they lose Javon Holland,
like they're I don't know how. I don't know how

(30:56):
they found themselves in that situation where they couldn't muster
to Matt's point more than ten points.

Speaker 5 (31:00):
Ten points to win a game. I know. That's striking
when like even at the end, when I just you know,
you write the little summary quick and it's like ten
points and like that was it. Like that Remonderie touchdown.

Speaker 3 (31:10):
Like that was so it's not like they left twenty
five out in the field. They missed a chip shot
field goal. You know, they missed, you know, getting points.
They had to go for it, you know at the
end when he couldn't get the one his foot in
and then you throw it as pulsed in the middle
of the field with no timeouts left.

Speaker 1 (31:25):
That's oh, they're not great. That's not great either. Yeah,
I mean that ball's got to go in the end.
You got to go in the endzone. Like I would
even say in the first drive of the second half,
third and fifteen, they're down, you know, deep in in
uh Miami territory and they run a draw. It was
third and fifteen from the sixteen. I want to say,

(31:45):
they run a little quick hand off for nothing and
they kick a field goal. Just throw the ball into
the end zone.

Speaker 4 (31:51):
Yeah, what's the difference, Like.

Speaker 1 (31:52):
If it's not there, you throw it over his head
and get you throw it out of the back of
the end zone. There's no real risk. If he takes
a sack, nothing long you're at the sixteen yard line.
You take a sack. Even if it's a ten yard sack,
it's still a chip shot field goal, right, Like I
just there were a lot of things I didn't understand today.
A VP, which I hate, alex Van Pelt. I hate

(32:13):
call Alex Van Pelt to Mario Canarcus Covington. I thought,
you know, early in the game, after that sacked by
Inefony Jennings, third and seventeen, soft coverage to John OUs Smith.
You up thirteen yards set.

Speaker 5 (32:28):
Up a field goal open right off the line.

Speaker 1 (32:30):
You know, I Tyler Huntley is not going to convert
third and eighteen by throwing a bomb. They're going to
look to get in field goal range there, and they
weren't ready for it. There was a lot of little
stuff like that today throughout the game that I didn't
like is that it no one else says anything. You're
just going to make me do all the dirt.

Speaker 4 (32:52):
You said a lot there.

Speaker 1 (32:53):
I know, I think no one else says anything.

Speaker 5 (32:56):
I don't know. I hesitate to put preset on it
this week, like, oh come on, I just feel like
he got it. That lost him mind.

Speaker 3 (33:04):
Well look at this, I mean, so what is going on,
Matt Morroul, What would you suggest here? Like, I haven't
touched anything, and it's completely off its.

Speaker 4 (33:11):
Rocker so made. It's a Nile three, so it's a
half while Matt Morrell's fixing that. Listen, you know we can't.
We can't just give Brissetta pass. You know, they would
have played better if they had better quarterback play. You know,
it's it's that simple.

Speaker 1 (33:29):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (33:31):
I thought he was okay today for Jacoby Brissette.

Speaker 13 (33:35):
No.

Speaker 1 (33:35):
I thought he made about four or five really accurate
throwers while getting pasted.

Speaker 3 (33:38):
Yeah, okay, on a couple of those, he's not on
the good list, but he's not on the definitely not
on the good list.

Speaker 1 (33:44):
I mean he threw you know, they can't they can't
move the ball, and the quarterback doesn't go on the
good list when you don't move the ball. But I
just thought there were a lot of There were a
lot of hits he took as he was delivering, you
know what. You look up and it's like Polk makes
that nice diving catch at the glass driver is a
nice catch by pole. That was a throw that he
got buried as he made. I have a hard time.

(34:07):
I'm with Mike. I have a hard time criticizing today.
I just put it more.

Speaker 5 (34:10):
I think on the offensive coaching and the plan and
going in and I mean your first you know you're
five to three and ounce on the game. Your first possession,
you know, two penalties negative five yards. It's just sloppy.
And it's just, like I said, there's identity crisis, and
at certain times they don't seem to know what they are,
and like we kind of know.

Speaker 4 (34:26):
What they are.

Speaker 5 (34:26):
I feel like we think knows who they are, right,
and so why are we, you know, trying to do
the stuff like Paul pointed out with the plays down
the field that at halftime, you know that this is
an issue for this team, especially You're I just feel
like at certain times they get aggressive randomly for no reason.
When it's like you guys.

Speaker 4 (34:42):
Struggle out, like try to play the It's not just
that like if you were playing you know, Kansas City, Okay,
get aggressive? What the hell?

Speaker 5 (34:50):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (34:50):
Playing one of the worst teams in the league, right,
and that that was the problem, right.

Speaker 5 (34:55):
I think everybody felt it too during the game, saying
it to Evan, It's like, it's just it feels like
this this next team who scores a touchdown, that's it.
You know, who's gonna get that touchdown? And you know,
I think Miami deserves a lot of credit though, down
at the end where you know, they got a big
play taking off the board, then they got a then
they got that penalty on Lis, so you know they
were kind of still having it.

Speaker 1 (35:14):
But that's a great point.

Speaker 5 (35:15):
They stay lost.

Speaker 1 (35:16):
They lost like a thirty yard run on that drive
and they still went down and scored. Yeah, Like those
are demoralizing penalties when you get them when you have
a big play in Lewis. So I'm gonna put another
guy just for that kind of stuff.

Speaker 4 (35:29):
Keyon White penalty maybe anything to be a guy that
gives you and then he takes it away. Y.

Speaker 1 (35:34):
Yeah, he didn't give you much today, though he took
a lot away on that drive in the beginning of
the second half. You know, the Patriots come out of
the half seven three. It was it?

Speaker 5 (35:43):
What was it?

Speaker 1 (35:45):
It was seven three?

Speaker 5 (35:46):
Right, seven three and a half?

Speaker 1 (35:47):
Seven three at half. It's amazing when you scored that
few points and you still lose, You still lose track
of the score. Seven three at half. Patriots put together something,
they get down and they get a field goal ten three. Okay,
put the hammer down. Force the three and out penalty,
horse caller, you know, penalty roughing the passer, like two
fifteen yard penalties on that field goal drive by Miami

(36:08):
and they immediately feel good about themselves. All went right back.
It's ten six. Well right back here.

Speaker 3 (36:12):
That's a tough combo to get in the same series
the horse caller roughing the passer, and the.

Speaker 1 (36:18):
Horse caller was pretty blatant latent too. Now, at the
same time, like Fred you said, give it and take it.
I'm going to give him a little bit of credit
for that's a pretty good play sticking with Moster down
the sideline. That he was close enough to get the
horse caller. That's a that's a pretty fast guy raheem
Moster and a lot of times he gets the edge
there and gets down the sideline, and White made sure

(36:41):
he didn't. Now, unfortunately you had to, you know, commit
a penalty to do it. But you know, I do
recognize the motor and the athleticism for key One.

Speaker 3 (36:50):
Got something there. They got a little something there. They
just he's got to be more disciplined. Well, they've got
to develop and coach him to be that kind.

Speaker 4 (36:56):
Of a key On. White can't be the best player
on the line this stage in his career. You know,
it's asking a little bit much of him, no question.

Speaker 1 (37:06):
All right, is that it? Yeah? I just think so
I mean, I just don't know what Keyon White does
well enough. That's that's his calling.

Speaker 4 (37:13):
Card, and that's been the that was him coming out
of college. That's you know. And I'm higher on key
On White than Mike is. But I think that's Mike.
Is that my put more to it. I think that's
kind of your question on him.

Speaker 5 (37:24):
I mean just the overall what exact consistence that you
would say you do here? I mean, I like him
as an interior rusher. I mean there's a world of
him and Barmore together that that is certainly intriguing. But
I think for key On White to really ascend to
the kind of player people want him to round him
these people around him, and he needs to to settle
in to a little bit more discipline. I just I
still feel like he's all gas.

Speaker 1 (37:43):
No breaks, right, But you can see why a coach
would like to work with that.

Speaker 4 (37:47):
It's a lot there. But again, like he right now,
he's being asked to do too much. If you have
Barmber out there, then now he can you can move
him around a little bit. And he's not making these
types of decisions that he seems he thinks he has to.
And you know, obviously, if you add Jude onto that,
then he's even better. You can use him more of

(38:09):
it in a complimentary person.

Speaker 5 (38:11):
You think a little more you know, speed and instincts
in the middle of the field on the second level,
that will you know, make up for and buy him
a little bit of a little bit of flexibility because
I think now when he's not disciplined in his rush lanes,
guys are able to get out. You know that those
are the plays. But you know, if you got somebody
who can run at middle linebacker and knows what's going on,
they can sometimes track those guys down and you know,
prevent those from being a big place.

Speaker 1 (38:31):
Yeah, just too many penalties today in general. And you know,
even you know, you're trying to put together a game
winning drive at the end, and you know, you get
two or three first downs and you get a holding
call and then you come out and then you get
a false star or an alignment penalty. I think Miami
ended up declining that one on Hunter Henry or no,
I think it was a false start on Hunter Henry
before that then there was an alignment issues. So just

(38:53):
too many penalties. Yep, there was a false start I
think on the before the fourth down play. It made it, yeah, because.

Speaker 12 (39:01):
They were at the fourth It was fourth and ten
of the twelve, and then they made it the seventeen,
which you know, obviously every little bit, every little bit
down there is hard yep. So it's just just too
many mistakes, a big spots today. And that was the
number one thing we were talking about going in. I
clean up the mistakes and stop being part of your problem.

(39:22):
Make the other team be your problem, not you, and
today too much the other way you were. You were
part of the problem today.

Speaker 3 (39:28):
Injuries everybody like, I'm not with the scribes upstairs, so
I don't.

Speaker 1 (39:32):
Hear uh it came back in Yeah, yeah, but ankle,
that's something to keep an eye.

Speaker 14 (39:37):
No.

Speaker 4 (39:37):
I think it was more of either a helmet or
a shoulder to the shin. Okay, yeah, oh.

Speaker 1 (39:44):
Yeah, I definitely had that as an ankle.

Speaker 4 (39:46):
I did too, That's what I was being told.

Speaker 1 (39:48):
Okay, it's an informed opinion.

Speaker 15 (39:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (39:51):
Well, every once in a while he throws those out there,
he pulls the pin, Matt and he just he lobs
it and then you know, usually he gets a sniff
after that.

Speaker 3 (40:00):
So was this the week that they come out of
this sort of unscathed, which they needed a weekly.

Speaker 1 (40:04):
I didn't see a ton I you know, yeah, me neither.

Speaker 5 (40:07):
I think Miami seemed like they had.

Speaker 1 (40:09):
A guy go down to every other play correct and
they were almost all ruled out, which is rare in
NFL games. But I think the only guy who came
back in was Kalais Campbell.

Speaker 5 (40:19):
Yeah, yeah, Dolphins had some. But sorry, I just caught
those Denver Broncos uniforms, and I don't know why they
don't CHI was nice. Huh, old school Broncos orange with
the old D helmet. Those new ones they got.

Speaker 4 (40:33):
Not for me.

Speaker 1 (40:34):
Okay, all right, you like the D helmet.

Speaker 5 (40:36):
I do like the D we helmet.

Speaker 1 (40:39):
So we feel good about the good, the bad, and
the injured. We got through it.

Speaker 3 (40:42):
Why don't we take a break here and we'll try
to get some of these phones and emails. Uh GPX
hotline is eight five five pats five hundred, no break, no.

Speaker 1 (40:52):
Break, and we have like a hundred yard Oh I
we have like a hundred y is the flag it's
coming back, but it's going to be the pick that's
going to stand for Denver with Mike's orange Crush uniforms
those are like so much better iconic you.

Speaker 4 (41:05):
Don't get on your good list.

Speaker 1 (41:06):
Yes, he was on all that. Yeah, everybody had him
on the good list. Do you do you agree with that? Yeah,
little hesitation, not perfect. He was on my good list.
But that's exactly how I had.

Speaker 4 (41:18):
Him on my game. But you know, considering the assignments
and yeah, yeah, it's.

Speaker 1 (41:26):
Not all about it's not all above Christian Ellis's past
in affearance, we see, we see the game, Fred, you
and I, we have a feel for the league.

Speaker 4 (41:34):
That's right.

Speaker 1 (41:36):
He's a building block, absolutely. You know, he's so fluid,
Like even on one of those plays that Tyreek Hill
ran them off and caught like a twenty yard like
little hook, you know, in cut, whatever you want to
call it. You know Evan would call it something totally
different than that. Yeah, I would. I would say, just
like the way he was mirroring him. Uh, you know,
and this is a guy who runs as well as

(41:57):
anybody in the league, and Tyreek Hill he's just so
fluid it. You know, you have to respect the speed.
I'm not saying like he's he's got to sit on
that and take that away. You can't like he's Tyreek
Hill for a reason. So that was a big I
thought he played well, but you know it wasn't It
wasn't perfect.

Speaker 10 (42:16):
No.

Speaker 1 (42:17):
I evidently that interception return stood because Broncos are kicking
an extra point.

Speaker 5 (42:22):
There you go.

Speaker 1 (42:22):
I thought there was a penalty on the return ten ten?
How come we can't get offense like that? This is
the only other game that had an over under that
was as bad as ours. Okay, all right, isn't he
ill okaying about?

Speaker 16 (42:35):
No?

Speaker 4 (42:35):
I just you know, people want to talk about our game,
not to they not the Denver Las Vegas Raider game?

Speaker 1 (42:41):
Do they really?

Speaker 13 (42:43):
You know?

Speaker 1 (42:43):
I was trying to help, I hope, So all right,
let's go up.

Speaker 3 (42:46):
Uniform Jaco in Australia is saying, good day everyone, just
wondering how a team can have coaches but look like
they haven't been taught a thing and regressed far backwards.
One positive, Gogonzo and your immaculate defense against a four
string QUARTERBA. So I mean Jake, Jake, not from State Farm,
but Jake from Australia, not dinging the coaching staff.

Speaker 1 (43:08):
Can I just like because he's saying that one of
the positives was defense today.

Speaker 3 (43:14):
I think he one of the positives he meant was
the way the Gonzales played defense.

Speaker 1 (43:18):
I think Gonzales n by the way from Australia. Yes,
I thought Gonzales was worthy of one of the positives today.
I think he was one of their better players, say,
if not their best player. But the defense wasn't good today.

Speaker 4 (43:31):
Especially in the second half. They fell apart.

Speaker 1 (43:33):
Allowing four hundred yards while forcing the other team to
be two for eleven on third down is almost impossible.

Speaker 3 (43:42):
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Welcome back to the Patriots postgame Show presented by Draft Kings.
With the Patriots lose a tough one here at you
Let Stadium by the score fifteen to ten to the
Miami Dolphins, and let's spank some phone calls out here.
We'll go to Nelson first from Los Angeles. Nelson, you've
waited patiently and you're first on the Patriots postgame show.

Speaker 21 (48:34):
Hello, man, this was an embarrassing How are you gonna
let a team that just played on Monday? They didn't
have that much red? And coach to your own time
and whoop your ass?

Speaker 4 (48:44):
I don't know ye question?

Speaker 21 (48:47):
Come on, Poplins, so coach as I need to change
that guy. Y'all need to change the quarterback, y'all making
the team looks bad as over again. Satan doesn't know
what they're doing.

Speaker 4 (48:58):
So you're saying bring in May, Yes, young man.

Speaker 21 (49:02):
That quarterback he did his job, all right? What his
name was doing?

Speaker 4 (49:05):
Good?

Speaker 1 (49:06):
Right?

Speaker 22 (49:06):
He does take care of the ball, but.

Speaker 21 (49:08):
He doesn't take risks. He doesn't play like a real quarterback.
He's a second street quarterback. You had to second street
going added in ay, that's all mad, I am have
their second street quarterback. And what's the name Roussette is
the second street quarterback.

Speaker 1 (49:24):
You got, Paul?

Speaker 3 (49:25):
I know, I know you're not a Snoop fan. Well,
I don't think that Brissette was you know, he wasn't
the problem. He also wasn't the solution. I thought played
Forsette today.

Speaker 4 (49:38):
Oh I do too.

Speaker 1 (49:39):
Yeah, I mean maybe I didn't really see any good throws.

Speaker 3 (49:43):
Now, I'm just saying if he got a great.

Speaker 1 (49:46):
We got a great them. He got more production than Yeah,
but I mean he got more he made more plays than.

Speaker 4 (49:54):
How do we care about that, parenting.

Speaker 1 (49:57):
Hag starting quarterback was better than their fourth st or
maybe the fourth stringer was better than the Patriots.

Speaker 4 (50:04):
I don't care about that. I'm just looking at you know,
there were plays there. I think there was more time.
He just holds the ball too long. He doesn't see
the field, he doesn't get rid of the ball fast enough.
He's not decisive. You know. Yes, he's a warrior. He
gets hit and he still throws the ball. That's all great,

(50:26):
but he makes it harder than it needs to be.

Speaker 3 (50:29):
Yep, Steve from Miami, You're next on the Patriots post
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Speaker 1 (50:33):
Hello, Steve, I might be.

Speaker 6 (50:35):
One of the few people down here who's unhappy, who's
very unhappy. But at first it almost looks like May
was going to go in. When when briss limped off
the field, I said, oh, okay, here we go. Uh
it was, but it was a quick he was back
in there before you know it.

Speaker 8 (50:53):
But yes, and every other sport when a team be
you know, when you have the same records and a
team saying baseball it's for the playoffs, a team like
EC guessing why last year the Commanders the patrin You.

Speaker 1 (51:19):
I understand the thanks, the confusion, and I am just
I am. I am one hundred percent with Steve on this.
I think that it's it's a it's wrong the way
the NFL does it. They go by strength of schedule.
So if you have the same record as another team
and you were deemed to have played an easier schedule
than the other team, then you're given, you know, sort

(51:43):
of credit quote unquote for being worse than the other team.
But I think the fact that you lost head to
head to Washington should give Washington they should finish ahead
of you in the standings, and in this case, given
the Patriots the number two pick. Now here's the thing
I I agree with. See if I think the Patriot
should have gotten the two pick and Washington should have

(52:03):
gotten three, but that's not the way they do it.
They based it on the strength of schedule. According to
our good buddy Mike Reese, the Patriots would have taken
Drake May had number two instead of Jayden Daniels. So yeah,
it doesn't really matter. Let's hold the.

Speaker 3 (52:17):
Drake May thought for a second and go to Deshaun
and Virginia. DeShawn, You're next on the Patriots post game show.

Speaker 1 (52:22):
Hello, Jashn, Hello guys. How are you guys doing great?
How are you sir.

Speaker 10 (52:28):
Great?

Speaker 22 (52:28):
I just want to talk on two things, and the
Hardy's just pretty much has made my point with the
office end. Yes, very important to get out of there,
because I was looking at a field review from last
weeks game and he just doesn't see the field that well.
He missed the guys like, I understand you had the line.
Is that thirty thirty second rank or whatever. But sometimes
there's a certain person they play actually president an they rank,

(52:48):
suggest suggest them so to be So if like, if
like if I feel like just looking at the game,
but Drake May was in there, If Drake May was
in there, he can make and play and keep plays alive.
You know, I keep drops a lot. I'll see some
instances where if Drake May was there he could have
made it harder on the on the on defense. Then

(53:11):
you go over the defenseide of the ball, the D
line outside out on white. I thought I get that
second day Hello credit because they had to sit there
and hold their defense. I mean, I hope they're coverage
for a long time. It's imagine that they had some
pressure from the D line. How many turners? I like
three if they actually had help from the D line.

Speaker 3 (53:29):
Good call to Shawn, Thank you for the phone call.

Speaker 1 (53:31):
And so we're now.

Speaker 3 (53:34):
Let's see, we started around four fifteen, so we're fifty
something minutes into the show, and I guess we're going
to talk about Drake May Okay, let's the fans are
starting to bang the drum a little bit more. It's
week five, we're heading into week six at.

Speaker 5 (53:46):
The start, so I feel like we've never stopped talking
about Drake May.

Speaker 6 (53:48):
No.

Speaker 3 (53:48):
I mean, it's the only storyline of the season. We
had to now and analyze the game, and he didn't play.
And so now they've got a Houston team without Nico
Collins who got banged up today. And I don't know,
did that game finish the Houston host fifty nine yard
field goal, So I guess I asked a question.

Speaker 1 (54:06):
Is Drake May week this week? You're supposed to sure?

Speaker 5 (54:10):
Yeah, I mean, I'm ready ready, I've.

Speaker 1 (54:13):
Been ready for a while. I'm not sure what's going
to happen. No, Fred says window closed. Oh okay, losing
on a fifteen yard yard field goal in the last
play of the game against the playoff team is window close?

Speaker 4 (54:24):
Window close?

Speaker 1 (54:25):
Got it? Got it?

Speaker 21 (54:26):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (54:27):
Now I'm I'm I'm fully ready to see him. You know,
I mean, it can't be any word ready. It couldn't
be any more, you know, miserable than than watching them
go three and out five times.

Speaker 4 (54:36):
Listen, I know he hasn't played a game in the NFL.
We have no idea what he's going to look like
when in a real game. I'm going to go out
on a ledge or limb and say if he had
played in this game, they would have won.

Speaker 1 (54:48):
I'm not ready to do that.

Speaker 4 (54:49):
I know, I know I and I don't blame you
because I don't blame.

Speaker 1 (54:52):
In everything DeShawn said in that previous call. I wouldn't
argue real I mean, I would argue with some of
the specifics, but there's no arguing that Drake May has
the ability to make plays that Jacoby Brissett doesn't. That
that's a physical thing. There's no arguing that, right. There
is an argument to be made that there are a
lot of positions that Drake May might have found himself

(55:13):
in that were set avoided that you have no idea about.
That's true based on nine years to no game.

Speaker 4 (55:19):
That's why I said him going on on a lettah.

Speaker 1 (55:21):
No and I And I'm not necessarily saying you're wrong.
I'm just saying I'm not ready to say it's gonna like.
I want to put Drake May in because I want
him to start getting some experience and start developing, and
then we can sort of figure out the things that
he does, the things that he struggles with, the things
that he needs help with, and we can sort of
the lack of a better term, beat those things out

(55:41):
of him and move on. Like that's why I wanted
to play. I don't have any illusions that they're going
to rip off of, you know, a twelve game winning
streak if he steps into the lineup. I think people
think that.

Speaker 4 (55:52):
Well, I think people.

Speaker 1 (55:54):
I think people look at a game like today and
say that when I got an email about it, they're
lost by a heel. If Drake May plays, that's a game.
They went, Well, how do you know Drake May doesn't
throw three picks?

Speaker 4 (56:05):
Now, we don't know that, right, we don't know that.

Speaker 3 (56:08):
Okay, here's one. I just this is crazy to even
think about. But did they Mike, I know you had
the center. Is one of your at the top of
your list for being bad today? Did they, gulp, solidify
the line today so you feel a little bit better
about it if you're putting the kid behind him?

Speaker 1 (56:25):
No, I mean not amazing.

Speaker 5 (56:26):
I can't tell no, I mean, yeah, it's hard to
you know, come all passionately about that right now? Is
I can't really watch that stuff during the game. But
you know, I think there were plenty of blown blocks again,
and plenty of times like Paul said, where Kobe said,
is throwing the ball as he's being crushed? Yep, you know,
But I just I'm willing to take those risks, and
I'm willing to put him in there. And yes, there's

(56:47):
going to be good and bad.

Speaker 4 (56:48):
Here's a play that and I don't know the answer to,
but I think it was in the first half Patriots
had the ball. I forget what the down and distance
was but just before the Snapami shifts and they overload
to the left side, which would have been for the
set's right side, and like nothing, he just continues with

(57:08):
the play. And I'm thinking in my head, a more
aware quarterback either calls out of that or you know,
calls into some other coverage. Either calls out of the
player calls into a different coverage when he sees that
snaps the ball and the rush just comes and he
sacked immediately, you know, and somebody's going to make an

(57:29):
adjustment there. They they just shifted, you know.

Speaker 1 (57:33):
And they overloaded. I know exactly the player's.

Speaker 4 (57:35):
Talking about, you know, like I put that on the quarterback.

Speaker 1 (57:38):
I do too.

Speaker 4 (57:39):
You know, David Andrews isn't in there, and we were
told that with Andrews out, a lot of these calls
are going to have to go to the quarterback.

Speaker 3 (57:46):
And the telecast team on I know, the Patriots got
the ball back and you know, ran out of time.
But on that penultimate drive when they turned it over
on downs, my Amy sent it was an all out
zero zero blitz third and fourth down. Why wouldn't you
do that every single time?

Speaker 1 (58:07):
Because defend Because during the regular during the regular part
of the game. You're leaving yourself open to one play.
You know, all all they have to do is find
a blind you know, a squirrel once that you know
in that time of the game, you know, this is desperation,
it's due. You have to stop and get We got
to get the ball out quick and make them throw

(58:27):
it up for grabs, right, And it were on third
and fourth down. I think they that's the play. To me,
I think they looked at it and they saw it,
like because I thought Miami's covered. I thought Miami's coverage
was really good today until that last drive, sorry, the
penultimate drive perfect the soft spots over the middle of
Douglas Polk, I mean they were wide open, and then
I think Miami called the time out. If I'm not mistaken.

Speaker 3 (58:49):
Don't forget that the Patriots were the only team with
safety issues today.

Speaker 1 (58:53):
Miami had issues at sance. J Alon Holland got hurt
in the game and Jordan Poyer didn't play right, so
they were missing two safeties too. And I do think
you're right. I thought they went after them. They ran
the ball better today, like from a blocking standpoint, I
thought then they did in the first two games when
they racked up all those yards. I thought there was
some holes today that they they got through as opposed

(59:16):
to everything after contact. Yeah, I thought they did a
better job. And that might just be what the difference
of a when you guard as opposed to.

Speaker 4 (59:24):
I was gonna say. You guys talked about when you
being more natural to guard, and you know, he certainly
looks that way.

Speaker 5 (59:29):
I just think it'd be great if they could roll
this line again next, you know, like just try to
start to establish some kind of continuity with these guys
and keep them when you inside, I feel.

Speaker 4 (59:37):
Yeah, I don't see there's any reason to change it.

Speaker 1 (59:39):
Well, the only the only reason would be if they
felt like SO is better than one of the guys
that's playing, right. Yeah, And I don't know the answer
to that, you know, but you also don't know what
his injury like.

Speaker 3 (59:50):
Remember we talked at the end of the pregame show,
did he get danged last week?

Speaker 4 (59:54):
Well?

Speaker 1 (59:54):
No, he had the injury coming into last n So
I don't think he got hurt last week. You just
think that maybe he wasn't ready. Yeah, yeah, maybe not quite.
I mean he was he was awful like six weeks sure.
So to Mike's point, if you could roll out the
same five, even if it's not great individually, it might
be better for the team just to it might help
the kid. Yeah right.

Speaker 3 (01:00:15):
TPX hotline is eight five to five Pats five hundred.
Nick from Sacker Tomato, You're next on the Patriots postgame show.

Speaker 18 (01:00:21):
Hello, Nick, Can you guys hear me?

Speaker 1 (01:00:24):
Okay, yeah, we can.

Speaker 23 (01:00:26):
First, I want to say Fred, I'm a huge fan.
You provide some objectivity to this panel that otherwise wouldn't exist.
You know, we need we need more of your Polyanna
lens by the way, because Paul is just too much
of a cynic Yeah, way too.

Speaker 1 (01:00:40):
Much of I get that a lot, I do. You're right,
You're right, Nick, I gotta I gotta change that. No, No,
I do because I because a lot of people say that,
and I don't. I don't mean to come off like that. Seriously,
it's too right.

Speaker 23 (01:00:52):
I know a bit of cynicism anyway, But I have
a question of really, guys, I know you guys are
friends with Fitzy and Andy Hart. They were speaking a
lot of crap about coach Belichick a couple of days ago,
about him not having a plan and the current nihilistic
mess we see ourselves in right now is really because
of coach Belichick. Do you guys agree with that? And
the second question I have is have the dropt kick

(01:01:13):
Murphy's ever played in Foxborough?

Speaker 24 (01:01:15):
Cherious, guys.

Speaker 4 (01:01:16):
I don't think in the concert, but I think they
played at halftime or something.

Speaker 1 (01:01:20):
I want to say, Like I want to say before
Super Bowl.

Speaker 15 (01:01:25):
Games.

Speaker 1 (01:01:25):
I think that I played one of those in the rain.

Speaker 4 (01:01:29):
I think Belichick's roster has a lot to do with
what's going on here. Obviously it's not all his fault,
but you know, the last four years contributed to the
mess we have had we're in right now, and the
drafting and and all that. Yeah, so that's part of it.
I mean, it's not all his fault, but there was. Listen,

(01:01:50):
I've made it very clear if you listen to pages
some fields. I love Bill Belichick. I will always appreciate
what he did, but it was time. It was time.

Speaker 3 (01:01:58):
Yep, it was time. David in Maine wants to know
in the fourth quarter, after a sec Jacoby hurt his
knee and got up limping. Do they seriously think May
is worse than a limping Jacoby?

Speaker 1 (01:02:09):
What are we doing.

Speaker 4 (01:02:10):
We all know that.

Speaker 3 (01:02:10):
Jacoby can't be one hundred percent. Give him some time
off and put the kid in. Zolak agrees they need
a spark.

Speaker 5 (01:02:17):
It's I mean, it's just it's harder and harder. Drum
be getting louder, because it's just what's the point, you know, like,
what at what point are you just you're just running
Jacoby Brissett out there for no point to continue to
get hammered and to not be productive. And you'd rather
at least feel like you're taking some of those lumps
with a player that you want to build around and
you want to get experienced for. And you know, it's
a lot easier to stomach losses like this when you

(01:02:38):
feel like our quarterback of the future got some good
experience today and made some plays and yeah, he made
some mistakes too, but this is the kind of game
he's gonna remember down the road and be able to
learn from and grow. That's the same.

Speaker 4 (01:02:49):
I do worry though, that everyone's looking at Jade and
Daniels and c J. Stroud and saying he needs to
be that yep right away. Yeah, and I can tell
you he's not going to be.

Speaker 1 (01:02:59):
But that's what people and I know, Matt, you disagreed.
I think a lot of people are looking at it
like that. Why can't he be like that? I know?
And maybe he will. I'm not saying he won't. Maybe
he will. I just think that's unlikely.

Speaker 4 (01:03:12):
So let's well, remember he I don't know what was
I don't know how many years C J. Stroud played,
but he doesn't have the experience.

Speaker 1 (01:03:20):
Jay Daniels started more than twice as many games in
college I know, I know. I think he played fifty
five games, and Drake May started twenty six.

Speaker 4 (01:03:31):
So let's look at it. That makes a difference.

Speaker 1 (01:03:33):
Let's look at this objectively.

Speaker 3 (01:03:34):
So take the immediate emotion out of the game, and
when the coaching staff comes in tomorrow and take a
look at the tape, are they going to look at
the tape and say we left scoring opportunities out there
that our quarterback held us back on. And Paul, I
know you've been very consistent through all of summer. He
plays when he's ready to play. Does a coaching staff

(01:03:56):
look at and say, with somebody else, we think we
would have had a better chance, now's the time to
make the move.

Speaker 1 (01:04:01):
Yeah, And that would mean that it was ready, because
he wouldn't give him a better chance if he wasn't ready.
So yeah, that's the way I look at it. I
know that sounds, you know, well kind of no matter
what you're saying to do that, I am ready for
I'm with Mike, I'm ready for Drake.

Speaker 25 (01:04:18):
May.

Speaker 1 (01:04:19):
I think it's coming sooner rather than later. I don't
know if it's gonna be another couple of weeks, maybe November.
But I just you can't score ten thirteen points every
single week and then just say, well, we don't think
it's time to get our rookie quarterback some experience. At

(01:04:40):
some point, even if you don't think he's you know,
fully ready, you might just have to do it just
to say like, well, we're not really doing anything this year.
We got to figure out what he can do, not.

Speaker 4 (01:04:49):
Even the points, which I know is the ultimate thing.
But it's you don't look like an NFL.

Speaker 1 (01:04:54):
Off like to be honest, fread to that point. Yeah,
do you feel like they left points on the field today?
The only thing I thought they left on the field
today was missing a thirty three yard field goal.

Speaker 4 (01:05:03):
Well that you know, I mean, the pope.

Speaker 1 (01:05:06):
Is a missed opportunity, who certainly are putting that on
a quarterback.

Speaker 4 (01:05:09):
No, that was a little high, Yeah, a little high.

Speaker 3 (01:05:12):
You know, might have been a little late getting it
to him too. I think he might have been open
a little bit earlier.

Speaker 4 (01:05:17):
Well, that's that's the story of his career, correct, you know,
I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:05:20):
Come on right? Yeah? So I don't think they left
a lot of points on the field today. I got
to be honest with you. How many MI six three
and outs? Not five? Not a lot of not a
lot of points left on the field. They didn't move
the ball. They can't move the ball. And I don't
think that they don't move the ball all the time
because he drops back on third and six and has
four guys in his face mask and can't you know,
and someone else would do I like, I don't think

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he's missing a lot of wide open guys. Maybe you
could say that the throw was late and high to poke.
Okay maybe, But even then it's seventeen points and I
understand that wins the game. But that's not the that's
not the point. That's not the kind of My point
is offensive production, And that to me does not change
your offensive production today. Like you win the game. And
that's great. And I said in the pregame I'd rather

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be two and three than one and four. But I
didn't want to win the game necessarily, Like if I
had to choose, that's not how I would have wanted
to win the game. Like we can't score running this defensive,
low scoring slog and because the other team made more
mistakes than we did, we want it. That's like, that's
not fixing the problem.

Speaker 4 (01:06:20):
But you know that's the thing. I wouldn't even call
this a defensive struggle. No, it was a struggle of inetness.

Speaker 1 (01:06:27):
Yes, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:06:28):
It wasn't like the defenses were aud and making these
great plays.

Speaker 1 (01:06:32):
That's that's fair.

Speaker 4 (01:06:32):
You know, that's not in the least.

Speaker 1 (01:06:34):
So Paul, you say sooner.

Speaker 3 (01:06:36):
I think sooner is a word of the week, and
we've been hearing that sort of like dropped in from
some of the friends and people like that, it's coming sooner,
it's coming.

Speaker 1 (01:06:43):
Sooner, Freddie Starkner sniff is sooner this week? I don't
think so. I don't know why I don't think so.

Speaker 4 (01:06:53):
I said, I say it's either this week or London
and I and I so give me.

Speaker 3 (01:06:58):
The benefit on either of those Fred if you if
tell me why you think playing him next week against
Houston would be the right move or why waiting a
week and going across the pond to playhim in London
would be the right.

Speaker 4 (01:07:08):
Well, I mean, you play him at home. It's gonna
be quiet when he's on offense, well, be able to
call out his things that. It's just a better environment
for him to get his feet wet. Houston is a
better team probably than Jacksonville for sure, But it's not
about winning the game. It's about just how how is
he gonna perform? Is he gonna get in and out

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of the hut? Is this gonna be a valuable experience
for him? Is he gonna get anything out of it?
Obviously if he's flat on his back all game, no,
he's not gonna get anything out of that except injured.
But I don't think that's gonna happen. I think I
think they're gonna, you know, call plays, protect him, do
what they have to do so that you know, he
does get valuable experience. And again, it's not about winning.

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To me, it's not about winning the game. It's about
getting him career. I don't care if they win, and
it's about getting him and starting to see the semblance
of an NFL offense. You know, who do.

Speaker 5 (01:08:05):
They got after?

Speaker 1 (01:08:05):
There's the chads, the Chad Ryland we know, blockfield goal.

Speaker 5 (01:08:09):
Touchdown Indie Indie back at home after England? Is that
I believe?

Speaker 1 (01:08:13):
I don't know. After Jacksonville Jets, Jets at home, Jets
at home in a good landing spot.

Speaker 5 (01:08:18):
There's I mean, there's no good landing spot.

Speaker 1 (01:08:20):
So just smike, what do you think?

Speaker 5 (01:08:21):
Yeah, I wasn't curious. Jets at home. I'd do two
more weeks. I wouldn't I would do in London, I
wouldn't do it.

Speaker 1 (01:08:27):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:08:27):
I just I and maybe I don't have a good
reason for it. But it just feels like London because
they don't know what they're looking at.

Speaker 4 (01:08:33):
They won't boom.

Speaker 1 (01:08:34):
No, because I just think that, you know, it's it's
a way, it's kind of you know, to your point,
it's not going to be a raucous you know, road hostel.
I can't hear the signals. I got all kinds of
things going on. It's not going to be like that
in London. One thing that I was kind of thinking
as you were talking, You're like you know, Houston, it's
not about winning the game. But like maybe I could

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see the coaches going into that saying like, this is
not a game we have the ability to win seventeen thirteen.
We need to do something to try to score points,
and we need to take a shot. So maybe it's Houston.
I look at Houston and say, that's a tough game.
You know that that's a tough spot to open with.
And this is again all under the conjunder. Yes, it's

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all under the assumption that they feel he's ready, right,
so we're picking and choosing, you know, like what spot.
I think London makes a lot of sense, not just
because of the opponent, but because of you know, it's
kind of you know, three thousand miles. You don't think
there's like some inherent pressure of playing your first game
at home here. I know the crowd is going to

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be behind you. But then all of a sudden that
you know, you're in the middle of the second quarter
and you have three points in three three and outs,
and you're like, oh man, it's the same thing, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:09:47):
But here's the other thing about London that I would
say I would air on Houston London. They're going to
leave on Thursday, you know for a Sunday game. It's
a disruption in the schedule. And I know they're going
to practice on Friday, just like they would normally, but
it's not going to be normal. They're gonna have been
on a red eye. You know, they're gonna get off,
They're gonna go right into you know, take a shower,

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go to practice. So like, that's not okay.

Speaker 3 (01:10:13):
You know that seems that seems like a little taller
of attack for your first for.

Speaker 1 (01:10:18):
Your first game.

Speaker 4 (01:10:19):
Right, So so I agree with Paul, it's probably not
gonna be his hostile environment, that's true, But now I
can get two weeks of non hostile environment under his belt. Right,
So I think next week's Houston's the week. Yeah, let
me make a phone, come.

Speaker 1 (01:10:33):
Freddie, get on that.

Speaker 5 (01:10:34):
There's just no easy any game you're gonna put him in.
There's pros and cons, and biggest you know, con being
what's going to be around him. But that's what's gonna
be around him, no matter when it is. So whether
it's next week, whether it's two weeks, three weeks, like,
it's all kind of the same to me. I'm just
ready for it.

Speaker 3 (01:10:50):
Podcast with Patriots dot Com is a way to reach
us via electronic mail. Linda from Georgia Wright's Great Show.
Love the new studio setup, including the comfy chairs. Second,
I thought the team would get a big boost from
having a home game and getting guys back from the
pop list, No such luck. Do you have an opinion
on the priority of changes and fixes and what would
be the timeline for implementing each one. I think we've

(01:11:11):
certainly been banging around. The idea of the quarterback position
is probably top of the list.

Speaker 5 (01:11:16):
Yeah, in season, that's that's the most obvious one. Otherwise,
offensive line, try to find some continuity with those.

Speaker 4 (01:11:21):
How many plays did Bourne participate in today?

Speaker 5 (01:11:24):
We checked about halftime. I think he was close to
ten or so.

Speaker 1 (01:11:27):
So he was nine and a half and he was
out there a handful more than the second half. I
think Mike's prediction that's a lot.

Speaker 4 (01:11:34):
I didn't expect him to be in there, and and.

Speaker 1 (01:11:36):
Mapu goes Wi to wire. I thought he I thought
he would be like sort of more of a focal
point on on key doowns, you know, the third down here.
I didn't think he would play a full time role,
but I didn't think he played really much of a
role at all.

Speaker 4 (01:11:49):
How many targets?

Speaker 1 (01:11:51):
I only remember one?

Speaker 5 (01:11:53):
I can check that for your Yeah, just one target,
one catch.

Speaker 4 (01:12:00):
I expected more than that.

Speaker 3 (01:12:02):
GPX hotline eighty five to five pass five hundred. Brad
from Vermont, You're next on the Patriots postgame Show presented
by DraftKings.

Speaker 10 (01:12:08):
Hello, Bred, Good afternoon, gentlemen, Good afternoon.

Speaker 24 (01:12:13):
What a horrendous, horrendous game.

Speaker 1 (01:12:15):
Yep.

Speaker 24 (01:12:16):
Can you guys remember and Patriots history?

Speaker 22 (01:12:19):
We'll probably have to go.

Speaker 24 (01:12:20):
Back many, many, many years.

Speaker 1 (01:12:24):
You guys might want to sit this one out. Be
and mac at this one.

Speaker 24 (01:12:27):
Back's up against how horrible Pats of teams have been
in the past, because this looks like a historically horrible
team to me.

Speaker 3 (01:12:36):
Yeah, I understand the inference, Brad, And thanks for the
phone call. We're five games in and I'm not ready
to go there yet because I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:12:42):
Well, okay, early nineties, this is ninety two, ask ninety one,
ninety two esque. I thought Zoe was really good about
this last year because those were teams that Zoe was on,
and he his premise was that those teams had more
talent than last year's team. Did. This is basically the
same team as last year. Personnel wise, it's a handful

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of guys that they brought in. Obviously, Drake May isn't playing,
so I'm not counting him on the talent because he's
not playing. But yeah, I think it's very comparable to
the Dick McPherson years in terms of talent. They they struggled.
They're like we talked about it before the game, like
Jalen Waddle in Tyreek Hill. You know, do we everybody

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that ran like Jalen Wright today? Like that kind but
that kind of speed.

Speaker 4 (01:13:32):
Yeah, you should bring up the night Most roster and
see what it looked like.

Speaker 1 (01:13:36):
Yeah, I mean it's Ben Coates, it's you know, Marv Cook. Yeah,
they I mean they had they had some some pieces
Stevens that you don't have now, Tommy Howson, and again
this was I'm going off as Zoe. Maybe Zoe's a
little biased because he was on the team, right, you know,
and you know, I can understand him being defensive of
a team that he was part of. But they went

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two and fourteen. They went four and thirteen last year.
That's kind of.

Speaker 4 (01:14:01):
They almost killed McPherson.

Speaker 3 (01:14:02):
That's kind of the same Wow, it's.

Speaker 5 (01:14:05):
Yeah, that's the team this guys.

Speaker 4 (01:14:08):
They had to bring in Dante to be the coach.

Speaker 1 (01:14:11):
What the pencil oversay?

Speaker 5 (01:14:12):
The ninety two team average twelve point eight points per game?
They were twenty seventh to twenty eight teams.

Speaker 1 (01:14:17):
Yeah, and they averaged thirteen last year. Correct. Yeah, I
mean it's the same, it's the same. Yeah, the caller
is not wrong.

Speaker 3 (01:14:24):
Tony from Canada, You're next on the Patriots postgame show.

Speaker 4 (01:14:27):
Hello Tony, Hi, guys, good evening.

Speaker 26 (01:14:31):
Well, so, I think at the beginning of the season,
I wanted to see Drake me start. I understood and
heard that a lot of people think he's not He's
just not ready, and I can understand that. Plus there was,
I guess, always the odd chance that maybe somehow we

(01:14:51):
could slip into the playoffs. I don't I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:14:55):
Think anywhere's the Jim Morris on the playoffs.

Speaker 4 (01:14:58):
Sorry, Tony, No, very few people thought we were going
to make the playoffs.

Speaker 1 (01:15:03):
Even the guy from Sports Illustrated that picked him to
win the division last year didn't make the playoff, Bobby
or So.

Speaker 26 (01:15:09):
Even more than reason, Drake May is never going to
be the best time for him to go in and
I agree with the next game is the perfect time
for him to start. So what the game after that
or the game after that, that'll be the game that
would be the worst time for him to start. He's
gonna play in those games. I'd rather we not win

(01:15:30):
another game this season and watch May play and develop
with our receivers. Then watch what I'm seeing now, because
I think we're just wasting Drake May's opportunities time.

Speaker 3 (01:15:42):
So oh sorry about that time, ilay Tony, and thanks
for the phone.

Speaker 1 (01:15:48):
The premise of it's never going to be the perfect time.
Agree with that?

Speaker 3 (01:15:52):
Of course, I'm falling more in line with that. And
uh and I think that certainly the fans are feeling
that way. Andrew from last angelist, right, you forgot one
addition to the good list, the ability to draft Will
Campbell in next year's draft in the top three. We
can't keep pretending that our defense and special teams could
lead to anything other than a two and fifteen team.
May needs to play. The line's not that bad, get

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me in there.

Speaker 1 (01:16:16):
The line is that bad? Can I just you know,
push back? And this is like that there was a
call earlier, and there was an I think there were
two emails. The start of that game today was jail
break City, Like yep, yeah, maybe maybe it wasn't every
single play, but maybe Miami also looked at it and said,
we don't need to do that every single play. They

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can't move it anyway, you know, Like and then again
when the game's on the line and they dialed it
up twice on third and fourth down, ball had to
come out real quick on those two plays, like the
line is not the line is not good.

Speaker 3 (01:16:51):
I actually thought they might have adjusted midway through the game, Paul,
But I think Miami could do whatever they wanted to
do when they needed to do.

Speaker 1 (01:16:57):
I think anytime they dialed up pressure, they got pressure.

Speaker 5 (01:16:59):
I'm not a specting Drake made it do anything. But
there's also part of me that says that this is
that NFL offense is a chemistry, and just because you
take one player out and put one player in doesn't
mean that everything stays exactly the same. And there's a
different element of Drake may and I don't know positive negative,
but I think it would look different in various ways,
and you never know, you never know that the protection

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could you know, start to rally around him, like I'm
not saying that they will, but you know, some of
the receivers that are having trouble producing or getting targeted
or you know, like that could change a little bit
and for some it might be for the worst. But again,
it's just it's a chemistry kind of thing where there's
a lot of different ingredients and you put one string
and you know, put a little bit of sugar in
and then you know.

Speaker 4 (01:17:40):
All all says. You know, how do you know if
Drake played he wouldn't throw two or three picks? And absolutely,
but how do you know if you even though he
does those two picks, maybe he has three big plays.
You know, you don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:17:53):
That's like the only reason why I say that, not
because I'm saying that he's going to throw three picks.
I'm saying I'm not. I'm not willing to say they
win that game. No, with another quarterback. I don't know
what happens with the other quarterback. Did the other quarterback
play well? Right, because if Drake may came in and
played well, I would say they would have won that
game today. You know, like I'm just watching you know,

(01:18:13):
Red Zonus. I want to zone Paul right third and
nine Kyler Murray sort of gets flushed out of the pocket,
scoots down the sideline, cuts back inside, and picks up
like fifteen yards for a first down move the six
drake may can do that, correct, right, Joby Brissett can't,
Johnny from mit Madtown rights.

Speaker 3 (01:18:29):
I can't do it another week, guys, I can't. I
want to be excited for Sundays again. I want to
have faith in the quarterbacks ability to make big plays.
I need aggressiveness and some chances taken, and with Presett
none of that can exist, or does Okay, where you
guys are perched in the press box, can you hear
the crowd?

Speaker 5 (01:18:49):
Was it we already talked about?

Speaker 6 (01:18:51):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:18:51):
I didn't.

Speaker 4 (01:18:53):
Wow, No, we can't when when bosses are the only
time we can hear them is if it's if they
really erupt.

Speaker 3 (01:19:00):
Okay, So there wasn't a cascade, no boot, No, there was,
there was, There was booing, but I didn't I don't think.

Speaker 1 (01:19:07):
No, I don't want to hear.

Speaker 4 (01:19:09):
We didn't hear.

Speaker 1 (01:19:10):
Okay. Yeah, I'm not sure what it sounds like, but
indifference ambivalence.

Speaker 3 (01:19:14):
Yeah, that's worse. Yeah, that's I would agree. Yeah, Justina
and North Carolina. You're next on the Patriots post game show. Hello, Justina, Hi, Hey, Hello, Hi.

Speaker 13 (01:19:30):
I'm just so disappointed because I don't think that that
Drake May I don't think he can do anything if
they haven't played him by now with everything that's going on,
they're not going to play him. I feel like they're
not going to play him for the rest of the
year and possibly next Oh. I just think yeah, because

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if there's no you a third round, Pieck, there's no
excuse not to play Kim three or four games. They
just don't have faith.

Speaker 4 (01:20:03):
Well, well that's the thing. The only excuse really would
be he's not ready.

Speaker 1 (01:20:07):
I can sort of ease your fears a little. Just Hi.
He's going to play. I don't know when, but he's
not going to set out all the rest of this
year in next year, that's not gonna happen.

Speaker 3 (01:20:18):
And I think we're all in agree that sooner is
going to be, he's.

Speaker 1 (01:20:22):
Going to play.

Speaker 13 (01:20:24):
They keep saying that that Toobe is doing what he's
tough and you don't ask him to do. I just
don't think. I just think that them make him making
the case that he's the best thing for them to play,
and this and that sounds to me like like Drake's
not gonna play. They could just take him.

Speaker 1 (01:20:46):
Yeah, but that's not going to be the case forever. Right,
it's the case right now.

Speaker 3 (01:20:50):
And thank you for the phone call, Justina will respectfully disagree.
The person who is going to be in charge of
making the decision sooner rather than later? When is sooner?
When is later?

Speaker 1 (01:20:59):
His head coach, You've already made that. I was ready
to do Marine Cory, let's tee up the head coach please.

Speaker 27 (01:21:07):
Post game look, obviously a very disappointing game. There's no
question like we're tough, but we just have to be better.
From an execution standpoint, we got to be able to
execute in situations. We got to be able to execute
on a play by play basis, and we didn't do that.
I would also say as a game we're on fundamentals,
Uh began to slip and that could be a combination
of things. But well, we'll watch the film with a

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critical eye, and we just gotta gotta put a better
team out there.

Speaker 28 (01:21:37):
The twelve penalties and like you just said, with the execution,
what are you telling your team after a day like
today that.

Speaker 10 (01:21:44):
We can't do it?

Speaker 27 (01:21:44):
We preach, We talk all the time about pre snap
and post snap penalties. It just wasn't a good day.

Speaker 29 (01:21:54):
How would how would you describe the separation at this
point between Jacoby and Drake at quarterback?

Speaker 28 (01:22:00):
Is there a big gap between the two of them.

Speaker 27 (01:22:02):
I want to get into like the separation talk. I
will say, Look, Jacobe's out there trying to do what
we we've asked him to do from the start. He's
taking some big hits and you know, his toughness continues
to show up. You know, execution from the entire offense
has to be better going forward.

Speaker 1 (01:22:21):
Girod just obviously the defense had held them down for
a better part of the game.

Speaker 27 (01:22:25):
Do you think fatigue fact again on the on the
fifteen play eight yard drive to put them ahead. Yeah,
I know for a fact fatigue played a part in
this in this game. You know, think about Marte, this
being his first game and playing pretty much every snap.

Speaker 10 (01:22:38):
Yeah, I appreciate him doing that.

Speaker 27 (01:22:40):
But at the same time, like we got to get
off the field, We got to be able to move
the ball offensively. We have to be we have to
win the time of possession game or at least be close,
which once again they they controlled.

Speaker 29 (01:22:51):
That Girod on the pass to jail in in the
back of the end zone the closing minutes. What were
your thoughts on how that play unfolded and did you
get an explanation from the referees on how the ruling
and how it was overturned?

Speaker 27 (01:23:05):
Look, you guys, canna ask the referees about that, you know.
I thought it was close. It was close, but it
was a correct call my opinion. But I'll have to
go back and watch the film. I saw the replay live.
Just a just a tough, tough CaAl.

Speaker 20 (01:23:20):
Hey, Drod, just to what do you attribute the lack
of production in the passing game?

Speaker 27 (01:23:26):
I mean, I think it's a combination of things. It's
not just one person. It's it's everyone just going out
there and executing. It's not even knowing what to do.
It's all right at peace moves. We got to be
able to identify that and go out there and execute.

Speaker 25 (01:23:38):
So, Drad, what did you think of the way the
offensive line played today compared to the last couple of weeks.

Speaker 27 (01:23:46):
I will have to look at the film and I
would say there were times where the pocket looked pretty clean,
and then there were times where you had a free
runner right up the a gap and we got to
do a better job taking care of that. It's about consistency,
That's what it's about. It's about consistency on the left
rod laying the game.

Speaker 7 (01:24:04):
On third down they called a pass interference on Christian
Ellis led to touchdown drive. Did they explain to you
the following that play? Was there any sort of explanation
after that's.

Speaker 27 (01:24:15):
That's a question for for those guys. You know, they
threw the flag and we always talk about, you know,
we'll do businesses.

Speaker 10 (01:24:20):
Business is being done.

Speaker 27 (01:24:21):
We just got to do a better job as a whole,
you know, with penalties in general, whether it's holding or passing,
inference or anything like. I don't think the referees are
just out to get anyone in particular.

Speaker 10 (01:24:31):
I think we just got to play smarter. Girod just
is the head coach.

Speaker 5 (01:24:36):
How bothersome is it that things like discipline, penalties, production
is getting worse not better?

Speaker 27 (01:24:41):
Yeah, you know, the pre snap stuff definitely definitely bothers me.
And look, we have guys that they're out there, they're
they're trying their butts off, but you know, at the
same time, going back not to sound like a broken record.
It's about execution, especially in critical situations.

Speaker 30 (01:24:57):
Well, here, I anything that you can sorry, anything that
you can share about Ramondre Stevenson. We saw him really
efforting to get off the field late in the game.
But I don't believe he went into the medical tent.

Speaker 10 (01:25:12):
He went back in the game after that. Oh, I'm sorry.
We'll see, We'll see how he feels tomorrow.

Speaker 11 (01:25:17):
You're killing draught through five games.

Speaker 28 (01:25:19):
How would you assess the job you're doing as a
head coach and your staff is as a whole.

Speaker 27 (01:25:23):
Well, I would say for me, look, it's all about
getting better. It's all about learning experience. Look, there are
definitely things that I have to do better as a
head coach. I would say the staff, you know, there's
still you know, they're getting on the same page. And
once again, like I said earlier, it's about getting better
every week and that goes to communication between the staff,
and then obviously I have to do a better job

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as a whole.

Speaker 1 (01:25:47):
You guys got down to the twelve yard line at
the end of the fourth quarter and called four straight passes.

Speaker 11 (01:25:52):
There any thought of running the ball in that situation.
Since you guys were more productive on the ground.

Speaker 27 (01:25:56):
There are a bunch of conversations, you know about that.
We ended up throwing a ball. That's what we decided
to do, and ultimately it's my decision. I would say,
you know, we average what over seven yards of carry?
I'm not sure, so that's that definitely was part of
the decision, or I should say part of the discussion.

Speaker 10 (01:26:11):
We just didn't finish it up.

Speaker 28 (01:26:13):
A couple questions that Joe, you talked about the offense
needs to get going points wise, ten thirteen and three
the last three games. What kind of things can you
do as the head coach in your mind to get
more points produced with this offense.

Speaker 27 (01:26:26):
You know, we tell the guys all the time. You know,
once you cross the white lines, it's your offense, it's
your defense, it's your special teams. You got to take accountability,
and you know, we got to look at ourselves in
the mirror, myself, starting with myself and the rest of
the coaching staff, and we just got to continue to progress.

Speaker 11 (01:26:42):
Gerrod, you talked, I believe this week or last week
about you expected to take some lumps. My question is,
did you expect the lumps to be to this degree
and the nature of which you're losing.

Speaker 27 (01:27:02):
I expected to take my launch, just like a lot
of other first year head head coaches.

Speaker 10 (01:27:07):
So look I'm fine with that.

Speaker 27 (01:27:10):
Once again, it's about the guys in that locker room
and we have to be better, we including me.

Speaker 10 (01:27:14):
So Hi drid over here.

Speaker 11 (01:27:20):
I was just curious we saw key On White take
two penalties on the same drive, both for fifteen yards.
Just what did you see from that drive and kind
of what was your message to key On when he
got off the field.

Speaker 27 (01:27:29):
It comes back to discipline once again. It's all about discipline,
It's about execution. I think those are the right cost.

Speaker 3 (01:27:37):
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from yours truly here. Terrific question from Karen Greggian on
that you expected to take lumps. Did you think the
lumps were gonna be like they are right now five
games in?

Speaker 4 (01:28:11):
Huh?

Speaker 3 (01:28:12):
I thought that was a really good question, and I thought,
I don't know that Jeradi answered it, but I thought
that was a good question.

Speaker 5 (01:28:19):
I just think what's surprising to me is the stagnation
of everything and where it kind of feels like groundhog Day.
It doesn't feel like anything is really getting better. It's
just kind of whack a mole and it's all staying
where it's been. And that's what's troubling to me overall.
And I'd say the same thing about Jacobe, Like if
they were starting to show something, it might be a
little bit easier to say, well, let them continue to
build a bit. If they're not, really it doesn't refel

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like they're building anything.

Speaker 4 (01:28:40):
Would we feel the same or worse if they were
getting blown out like thirty five to ten?

Speaker 5 (01:28:46):
Oh worse? I think, I mean, I you know, I've.

Speaker 1 (01:28:49):
Worse the same for me because they have gotten blown
out the last two weeks. Today they didn't get blown
out because they played a backup quarterback. Like, it's the
same to me. I everything. Mike just said, that's what
we talked, like Can I just see something a little
bit different? Can I see some progress? And this is
why I think you're going to be right, Fred. I
thought I've been kind of along the lines of they're

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going to wait till like November. But I think you
might be right with Drake May because I don't know
how many times you can have the same exact game
unfold offensively. This is five weeks in a row. It
looks exactly the same. It's not getting any better. It's
the same, and it isn't good enough. And Girodd told
you on Wednesday last week that it's not good enough,

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Like even though they won that first game, he's telling
you that's not good enough to win. It's not sustainable.
So I think you're going to be right, Fred.

Speaker 3 (01:29:37):
At some point in time, I think Gerrod is keeping
track of his words. I think he went back and
heard what he had to say about ball security and said,
I know it was only three plays or five plays
or whatever Rimandre missed today, but he felt like because
he said it all the time, he's got to follow.

Speaker 1 (01:29:53):
Through in that. I'm wondering if the same thing is
true here that he just is repeating it's just not
good enough.

Speaker 3 (01:29:58):
We're not seeing enough improvement on this. Then we got
to go to that. I know the plan was to
do X with the kid. We're going to speed this
up a little bit. Yeah, because we just can't continue
to nothing.

Speaker 4 (01:30:09):
Nothing gets a fan base more frustrated or media more
you know, impatient than a coach that keeps saying the
same thing over and over and doesn't do anything about it. Right,
and so yeah, actions speak louder than word.

Speaker 3 (01:30:24):
And I think on the drive home tonight, Gerard Mayo
is going to be thinking long and hard about I
wonder if it's time now we got to make the
change Oliver and Denver rights. Did we get more yards
and penalties than offensive yards?

Speaker 1 (01:30:36):
Yikes?

Speaker 3 (01:30:37):
That was difficult to watch. With such a grind of
a game. It couldn't help but think about what pieces
we need to put together a competitive football team. I
know if injuries that have impacted us, but even if
the team were at full health, would it really make
that much of a difference in the watchability of games?

Speaker 5 (01:30:52):
It was just one hundred and five yards of penalties,
so not quite.

Speaker 1 (01:30:56):
So do you have it in front of you? It
was twelve penalties and twelve.

Speaker 5 (01:30:59):
Thirty They have this listen as twelve for penalties?

Speaker 1 (01:31:03):
And was it fifteen first downs?

Speaker 5 (01:31:05):
Fifty four? How many total?

Speaker 10 (01:31:07):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:31:07):
Fifteen total first downs?

Speaker 4 (01:31:08):
How many penalties not accepted? Like how many penalties?

Speaker 5 (01:31:12):
Like this is?

Speaker 1 (01:31:13):
Yeah, at least at least one or two that went
coupled but not that's not listed here.

Speaker 5 (01:31:18):
But okay, yeah, not good.

Speaker 1 (01:31:20):
Yeah, and that's almost three hundred dards off on stuff too.
I think, yeah, you know you've got how many on
that last drive? Meaningless? Meaningless?

Speaker 3 (01:31:28):
Travis in West Virginia, Mike, this one's for you. After
the game, Tyler Huntley was heard with telling reporters that
he thinks Mike Douso is a stiff.

Speaker 5 (01:31:36):
Just so, I still think stiff.

Speaker 1 (01:31:39):
He said, scrub it was right. Nothing I saw today
would prove Mike wrong. I'll be honest with you, because
I thought he had loads of opportunities to make throws
and just cold he just doesn't have the ability to
do it.

Speaker 3 (01:31:48):
Yeah, yeah, I don't know. It's not to the Gino
Smith level. Geno Smith was a professional, and he really
he played very very well in the Seattle when against
the Patriots. I thought Hunley didn't cost him the game
and didn't get it away.

Speaker 1 (01:32:01):
He almost did. I don't know about that. He made
it enough place. If he doesn't throw a pick in
the first half, the Patriots do not score a touchdown.
They don't. He gave him the ball on the forty
yard line. That's like the heck of it played by
the way by Gonzalez because he threw like the coverage
was perfect and he threw it to him. Like you
watch the replay, Gonzalez is actually underneath inside. It's a

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great catch, but there's no chance of that being completed.
And then how many slants did he have that were
open that he's thrown behind or low? The one to
Tyreek Hill that would have been a first down or
in the game makes him go low and tumble on
yard shore of the first down, the one to tyreek
Hill that Gonzales almost intercepted at the end of the game.

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In the second half, Tyreek Hill is coming across the
back line in the end zone open. He just doesn't
have the arm to get it to him. It took
forever to get there. The two point conversion, two guys open,
he just floats it to the outside like he's not good. Yeah,
Like I'm going to defend you, Mike, I'm going to
defend you. Yeah, good enough today today, he was good
enough today. In a couple of weeks, we'll be hitded

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over to London and Dean from Liverpool. Right.

Speaker 3 (01:33:07):
There is simply not enough talent on either side of
the ball, and the roster has been getting weaker every
year since we last won the Super Bowl. I believe
that this is Bill Belichick's responsibility, and it will take
Mayo and Wolf a few good drafts to dig out
and fix the talent gap on both sides.

Speaker 1 (01:33:21):
It's tough to watch at the moment. Hope Dean's at
the game. I would have been Patriots of there. I
would agree with that this is largely a Bill Belichick issue.
That's why they are the way they are. But I
don't think they did much to take step one.

Speaker 5 (01:33:33):
Yeah, I just I guess I'm over parsing out all
the good things bad things playing Bill.

Speaker 1 (01:33:37):
It's like, well, Bill drafted bar More.

Speaker 5 (01:33:39):
But you know he also missed on Cole Strane. You know,
like you can go round and around and you can
point to Elliot Wolf and said he should have done
more this offseason. But we know all dra off season
we said they're not gonna be able to hit everything perfectly.
And I mean, so it's just there's so much nuance
to the conversation. It's it's this is a franchise wide
problem that they've gotten to this point. It doesn't just

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get here with one guy making some bad He's made
Bill made some good moves. He made some bad moves.
They've got to dig their way out of it by
getting talented guys on the roster.

Speaker 1 (01:34:07):
By the way, forty six yards on that last drive,
so wasn't quite twenty one and twenty five completions of
twenty one to Booty, twenty five to Hunter Henry like,
and they would just they ran the clock and Miami said, yepp,
it's good games.

Speaker 4 (01:34:22):
I think as a fan base, we need to move on.
Mommy and Daddy aren't getting back together.

Speaker 1 (01:34:27):
And it's us to bring that up with five weeks.

Speaker 4 (01:34:29):
We need to we need to move on.

Speaker 3 (01:34:30):
Yeah, and so let's move on. For the email of
the day, this is Addison and Fresno are rights Welcome
to the show.

Speaker 1 (01:34:35):
Matt. I think you're doing an excellent job driving the show.
Hardy may have.

Speaker 3 (01:34:40):
Been funnier and especially funnier looking, but at least emails
are read and phone calls are really dropped. One sixteen
is on the table, fellas, I don't want made a
play simply to preserve hope that maybe this team will
stop sucking somebody someday, but that won't be this year.
Thank you Addison from Presno. I mean it's not a
sounder for that at all.

Speaker 1 (01:34:59):
Email of the day the day.

Speaker 5 (01:35:02):
I don't know agree if I agree with all that,
I don't agree with any.

Speaker 1 (01:35:05):
Of I don't agree with any of it.

Speaker 5 (01:35:07):
How about that I thought he was strikingly handsome, but
fair enough.

Speaker 1 (01:35:12):
Back to the phone lines. A TPX Island is eight
five five patch.

Speaker 5 (01:35:16):
Let's go get them to see.

Speaker 3 (01:35:18):
Him in North Carolina, home of Drake May Good afternoon,
seem me next in the Patriots postgame show.

Speaker 6 (01:35:25):
Gues.

Speaker 31 (01:35:25):
You know the Patriots are, the fans are despairing. This
year is gone. You just protect me as much as
you can, but you're literally some off season moves away
from making the playoffs. Next year, you get Will Campbell
if you can. If you can't get him, you draft
Banks out of Texas. You go out into the free

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agent market. You get the best offensive lineman that you
can get. You've only got two receivers that are decent.

Speaker 1 (01:35:54):
Who are those two? Who are those?

Speaker 31 (01:35:56):
Free agent wide receiver? You draft another one in the draft,
you draft another offensive lineman, and you focus on that.
Break May comes along, you could make the playoffs next year,
you're not if not putless.

Speaker 1 (01:36:10):
Well, I think thanks for the call, Sam.

Speaker 3 (01:36:12):
I don't know that anybody's ever said hopeless.

Speaker 1 (01:36:14):
Yeah, I appreciate the optimism. I appreciate the optimism.

Speaker 5 (01:36:17):
Well, you're do your Drake May riff.

Speaker 1 (01:36:18):
If Drake May is good, If Drake May's good, all
of that can happen. If Drake May is not playing
and you start him next year fresh, you're not making
the playoffs with that. And I just think it's easy
to say you can do this if you just draft
a tackle, then get a receiver, then sign a free
agent receiver, then draft another lineman, and like so, everything

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you do.

Speaker 4 (01:36:43):
It has to have to it's going to work. You
have to be San Francisco, right, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:36:46):
Well again, it's really hard to make sure everything works,
including the signing the free agent wide receiver. You know what,
if you sign a free agent wide receiver and he's
just sort of there, right, you knows no I'm Kendrick Bourne. No,
let's go a little closer to home. Yeah, you signed
Kendrick Bourne as a free agent receiver. It's not it's

(01:37:08):
not gonna let you over the year that they had
the big.

Speaker 4 (01:37:13):
We sat here and said, you know, usually when teams
do that, you're lucky if half of them work out, right.
I just think it's rare that every move you make
in the offseason work.

Speaker 1 (01:37:23):
And on the flip side, if Drake May ends up
playing the last six, seven eight games of this season
and is really good in tracks to C J. Stroud
and Jake, I don't really care if I hit on
every single one of those things. I don't need to
because he's gonna lift everybody. He's gonna make what you
have better. You know, like they you know they have
two receivers. Who who are the two receivers you feel

(01:37:46):
great about?

Speaker 4 (01:37:47):
Well? I think that I feel good about Poke. I
think he's going to be good, not as an not
as a number one, but I think he's going to
be a weapon. And I like what I saw at
a pop today. I mean when he runs a lant,
it looks a lot different than when anyone else on
this team.

Speaker 3 (01:38:03):
Runs he's a threat to score. Every time he touches
the ball, he.

Speaker 4 (01:38:05):
Gets open quick and even when he's falling forward, it's
for another five or six yards. So like, I, I like,
I like the two of those for sure. Uh, you know,
Born for now is fine if we can get him
rolling again. But then next year, you you know, you
gotta get that, you gotta get that number one.

Speaker 1 (01:38:25):
They need a whole new crew if you ask me,
and I think they need high level talent at that position.
Now it won't be as glaring in need if Mike.

Speaker 5 (01:38:35):
Ifdrake May is good. But Paul, you're trying to lose
me a little bit. Like if you really think that
all these wire receivers suck, Drake May is going to
make him manageable.

Speaker 1 (01:38:42):
I don't think suck is Wayn't I think they need
high end ones? I say, yeah, they don't have any
high end ones. They have a bunch of threes, Tony,
and okay, I have a bunch of threes.

Speaker 5 (01:38:56):
What about a Z? They have a Z?

Speaker 3 (01:38:57):
Tony in the UK writes, hello of you guys, getting
a little tired of Mayo saying generic statements with no meanings,
such as we need to execute we need to play better,
we need to take care of the fundamentals.

Speaker 1 (01:39:07):
We need to do better. These are rolled out every
week and have nothing behind them.

Speaker 3 (01:39:10):
I know they have to do these press contents or Bill,
but with all the media training, they haven't quite evidently
with stock answers, you get anything from these?

Speaker 1 (01:39:19):
Thanks to keep up the great work.

Speaker 4 (01:39:20):
No, but does that matter? Like, you know, is anything
that you know he says after a game except you
know we're putting in May next week going to make
you happy? You know, Like, so I don't. I don't
want him to say anything else, really, you know, I
want him to do not say right.

Speaker 5 (01:39:38):
And that's what Bill did. I think, I mean, it's
I think he needs to say less. I think he
needs to lean into those things. I think less is
more with him with with all this stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:39:45):
Couldn't agree with you more, Mike. So back to the
receiver thing, just to sort of close that out. I
know Matt doesn't like any receivers, but I'm just gonna
pick one that I think, Justin Jefferson. You like Justin Jefferson.
He's a good player. Okay, So if they had Justin,
if they had Justin Jefferson, Okay, and t Higgins is
one and two.

Speaker 10 (01:40:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:40:04):
Now I love to Mario Douglas and Jalen Pol I
agree with I love them to.

Speaker 5 (01:40:09):
Mario Douglas is never playing no.

Speaker 4 (01:40:11):
No, no.

Speaker 1 (01:40:11):
I want them on the field. I want all four
of those guys on the field. Like now I have
an aerial attack. I'm not relying on to Mario Douglas
out of the slot to see if he can catch
six crossing roads and maybe break one. It's hard to
break one when you're the number one, you know what
I mean, You're the only except for he's never had
a touchdown, and I know that that's where your starcasm

(01:40:33):
comes down. I speak Matt from being downstairs now for
a couple of years. I know where Matt's going with this.
Somebody locally wrote that he's a threat to score every
time he touches the ball. Do you know how many
touchdowns he has? Fred First, I think I like Pop
Douglas by the way I like to I like the
Mario Douglas and I like Jalen Polk. I like them both,
I don't love them like everybody.

Speaker 5 (01:40:53):
I think where I differ from you is I think
Polk could be number two.

Speaker 1 (01:40:56):
Okay, And I would say that ceiling isn't it. I'd
say he has I would say he has the potential
to do that. I don't think he runs well enough
to be that. But I love his physicality and I
love his toughness. He cares. I could see. I can
see the intensity watching him, even how mad he was
after watching the replay, Like I'm kind of at one point.
One part of me is like, does he know the rules?

(01:41:18):
And the other part of me is like, I like
a guy who gives a bleep and like and he
clearly can't, Like he has intensity.

Speaker 4 (01:41:24):
Like I like Polk's either way that the call was
the right car.

Speaker 3 (01:41:27):
Sure's a Let's go back to the podium and hear
from Jacoby Brissette after today's lost Patriots lose to the
Dolphins fifteen to ten.

Speaker 11 (01:41:41):
Jacoby, over here, did you get an explanation did you
get any short of explanation at all regarding the pass
to Jalen in the end zone that was ultimately ruled incomplete.
Now the game was kept on going, so we didn't
get any.

Speaker 7 (01:41:56):
Back, Jacoby.

Speaker 28 (01:41:58):
Just the kind of the fresh of not getting more
points in the end zone today and the mental mistakes,
the penalties, how much did that?

Speaker 11 (01:42:05):
Yeah, it was it was frustrating, you know it honestly,
just nothing was good, you know what I mean, penalties
taking us backwards. You know, you know, we just honestly,
we just got to play better. It's it's it's getting
to that point where we just got to play better,
you know, penalties in the wrong situation, in bad situations,
and you know, we were not good enough to do that,

(01:42:26):
you know, and to to go backwards to try to
score points. We need to continue to go forward, you know,
and we we gotta we gotta change that, fix that.

Speaker 25 (01:42:35):
Thank you said, you've got to play better. Are there
anything specifically that you can point to about your offense
that can get better in the short term before the
season gets out of hand.

Speaker 11 (01:42:45):
Yeah, we got score more points in the short term.
That's that's that's what we gotta do. We got score
more points.

Speaker 32 (01:42:52):
Jacoby, toward the end of the game, you wouldn't know
how to several times you seemed to get a rhythm,
seemed to go faster. Is that something a you enjoy
and would you like to see that incorporated more?

Speaker 11 (01:43:03):
Yeah, I mean, we're we're gonna go back and watch
the film and see if that's that's a you know
possibility too as well. You know, you know, yeah we
had some success in it, but yeah, it's it's a
lot of plays before that that caused us to lose
this game. It wasn't because oh we just went into
no huddle and we're making yards. We did. We got

(01:43:24):
to play better, we got to execute, and we got
to play with good fundamentals and technique and do the
right things.

Speaker 14 (01:43:32):
As a leader on this team, how do you keep
the frustration from boiling over after a game like this
with so many penalties in losing four straight.

Speaker 11 (01:43:39):
Yeah, you know, you got to go back and watch
the film. Uh. And you know that's that's the part
about this league where now is just taking it from
from the classroom to the field and you know, in
those critical moments and treating every day of practice like
it's you know, the last player of the game and
we're down and we need to make a play.

Speaker 6 (01:43:58):
Uh.

Speaker 11 (01:43:58):
You know, I think that's what it's gonna come out to,
you know, And it's it's gonna come down to and
you watch, watch all the penalties and whatever whatever the
case may be, it's all come down the fundamental technique,
and that's what that's what we're lacking at right now.

Speaker 10 (01:44:09):
Kyle in the middle during.

Speaker 14 (01:44:11):
Your first possession for the two minute drive, was the
idea there to try to put some points up and
try to go for a double score. Say that again
during your first possession during the two minute drive, I
was wondering, was the end of the game before halftime?
I'm sorry, Yeah, I was the idea to try to
go for the double score, like obviously score before halftime
and then come back out and try to score again.

Speaker 11 (01:44:29):
Yeah, I mean that's that's always the plan, especially when
you get the ball a second half.

Speaker 28 (01:44:34):
Jacobe, what do you think needs to change with this
offense to to get it to the level where it
needs to be.

Speaker 11 (01:44:39):
We gotta play better, man. It's it's no magic thing
that we need to do. It's no. We just gotta
play better. We gotta we gotta execute better. We gotta
play with good fundamentals better. We gotta do all the
little things better. I think that's what we're getting to.
The Like when you're back and watch this film, it's
it's not about this person that person, just play that pla.

(01:45:00):
We just gotta play better. As a unit.

Speaker 7 (01:45:04):
Trig me when it comes to the penalties. Is there
anything you can put your finger on to just sort
of help explain why we're seeing as many as we're seeing.

Speaker 11 (01:45:13):
I can't do that right now. I have to go
back and watch the film and be able to, you know,
really assess that. But yeah, I'm sure it's gonna come
down to fundamentals. I know I keep saying it, but
that's probably what it's gonna come down to.

Speaker 1 (01:45:26):
Dana kind of.

Speaker 28 (01:45:32):
A follow up to that, do you feel like you're
seeing things where you know, like, Okay, I think we
can get there if we cut those mental mistakes down
and things like that. Are you starting to see things progress?

Speaker 11 (01:45:43):
Yeah, we're making plays. We're just shooting ourself in the foot.

Speaker 10 (01:45:46):
You know.

Speaker 11 (01:45:47):
It's we're going one step forward to go twenty steps back.
You know. It's like we can't. We can't do that,
you know. And until we get to that point, you know,
we're gonna continue to be frustrated at the small things,
you know, and you can't leave the game into the
rest hand. That's not that's that's not what football is about.
You know. You got to go out there and play
with good fundamentals. Technique, do the right the little things right.

(01:46:09):
You know that this league is so hard already, you know,
I mean the marginal area is so slim into to
not be able to do that because the lack of
focus and the lack of things that we all have
control over. You know, we're not good enough for that yet.

Speaker 3 (01:46:24):
Thank Yeah, it's quarterback Jacoby Brissett. There after the Patriots
lose at home today against the Miami Dolphins fifteen to
ten to the score, We're gonna wrap things up here quickly.
First though, a shout out easy to drink, easy to enjoy,
bud Light, the official beer sponsor the England Patriots. I'm
gonna put you guys on the spot. We're gonna go left,

(01:46:45):
my left to right Paul, who's a quarterback for the
New England Patriots next week against the Houston Texans.

Speaker 1 (01:46:51):
I'm gonna stick with Jacoby Brissett. But you know, I
definitely think Fred's onto something. I think it's you know
what my answer would be if I were to the
head coach, But I don't get to make those decisions.
Despite what Felger and Maz like to say, every going
to stick with percent deuce.

Speaker 5 (01:47:07):
Yeah, I I thing, same thing as Paul. I mean,
it's it's time, It's I'm ready for when it's going
to happen. It's just a question I think of behind
the scenes, when do they feel confident that he's going
to be able to execute a full game?

Speaker 1 (01:47:18):
And let me just interrupt for a second. Uhh. And
I know this was an off this was an off
air conversation, but I was sort of wondering, why do
they keep asking all the players and the coaches about
the call at the end? Who you know asked for
a pool report? They did ask for a pool report.
So I just want to read that. Readers on, please yes,
readers on. So the question is what was the rule

(01:47:39):
applied in the decision to overturn the touchdown catch by
Jalen polk Uh. The rule was applied was the toe
heel rule. What happened was he did he did have
one foot on the field of play. This is why
it really annoys me. Can't you just say one foot
was in and one foot was right? He did have
one foot on the field of play at the completion
of the second step. He he had his toe in

(01:48:01):
the field of play, but his heel came down on
the white line out of bounds. So he did not
have two feet in bounds at the conclusion of the catch.
What were the elements of the play that were essential
to the decision to overturn? Just like I said, he
did not have two feet in the field of play.
There was tow heel. It wasn't a drag. It was
a toe heel that caused this to be an incomplete pass.

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For Jalen Poe to have that to be a touchdown catch,
he needed to have the heel come down in the
field of play and not on the white correct. So
this was Vice President of Officiating George Stewart or hit the.

Speaker 4 (01:48:35):
Ground out of bounds before the heel touched, you know,
like he said, it wasn't a toe drag.

Speaker 1 (01:48:43):
You know, I think it's once the heel comes down.

Speaker 4 (01:48:47):
See where fans don't understand. They see two toes, Oh
that's a catch, right, But and those the heel doesn't
come down like right. The next thing that hits out
of bounds after the two toes is like the body.
It's not the guy's heel. And so people like, oh,
once the two toes touch, shouldn't that be a touchdown?
Not when the next thing that hits is a heel.

Speaker 1 (01:49:08):
So the whole foot has to come down in bounds,
like you know, and the it's not dragging like you're
tagging right Like, in all seriousness, I thought live it
was a touchdown, but when you look at the replay,
it's really not all that close. It's like half of
his foot comes down out of bounds, right.

Speaker 3 (01:49:27):
A necessary exercise to go to the pool report to
try to get the information. But let's not make this
about the referees pipe the Patriots.

Speaker 1 (01:49:33):
That did not happen. Yeah, I mean, I'm not overly
sure why it needed a pool report, Well, you know,
to have the guy give you the same and when
they reviewed it it was inact. I don't even the
ref didn't even have to stop playing like it was
like it's a completely right all right.

Speaker 3 (01:49:50):
So just to wrap things up, Fred, you have yet
to weigh in. You've waited in, but you haven't officially
weighed in. Who's who's a quarterback? We'll start next week.
That would make a lot of people in Patriot's nation
very happy. Not happy today at home, not happy today
in Floxborough. The Patriots lose that key divisional AFC game Paul.

(01:50:11):
They lose fifteen to ten today for Paul Parrillo, Fred Kersh,
Mike do So, Matt Lepean, Matt Morel, Chris Judge, Josh Davis.
I'm Matt Smith. Thanks everyone, Enjoy the week. Patriots Texans
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