Patriots Postgame Show 11/17: Full Analysis of Patriots 28-22 Loss to the Rams

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And we welcome you into the Patriots postgame show sponsored
by DraftKings, where just a few minutes ago, the Patriots
lost to the Los Angeles Rams by the score of
twenty eight to twenty two. On the surface competitive game,
Patriots had some chances. I'm not sure at the end
how competitive it was. I mean, I think the score

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was a little bit closer than the game indicated. I
think the Rams up until the end really turned the
moment of the game around on both lines of scrimmage
in the second quarter when they took a lead. But
he got to give the Patriots credit, they were plucky
a little bit down the stretch. As we wait for
PFW Paul and Mike Dusau to join us, I think
one of the questions that people are going to ask

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on that last play, and we'll hear from Drake Maine,
we'll hear from Girodmeo later on during their press conferences,
But what was a miscommunication? Like I saw one look
of it, it looked like Damario Douglas was running free
on a crosser across the middle. Didn't look may certainly
threw the ball there and was picked and so a

(02:39):
chance to maybe steal a win against the Rams late
in the game, goes for not nice job there, Chris
By seeing it, I don't know, certainly looks like a
miscommunication to me. May seems to think that he's got Douglas.
Maybe the ball saaled on him, maybe the ball sailed,
but whatever it was, whether it's sealed or not, Douglas's

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head isn't even looking at it. And so with that,
any hopes of trying to steal one and come back
and win this game are dashed twenty eight to twenty
two to the final score. The Patriots now are three
and eight on the season after today's lost. Plenty to

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go over in the good, the bad, and the injured,
because there was a lot of all. I'm not sure
about the injury part of it, but there was some good,
no question about it, but too much bad. And with
that the Rams win twenty eight twenty two. My colleague
Paul Perillo now is sitting down and joining us. Give
me a little instant analysis, PFW. Paul, I said, at

(03:43):
this shoot twenty twenty two, and the score looks close.
I'm not sure the score was as close as the
game was. I think the Rams, yeah, do whatever they
wanted it from the second quarter.

Speaker 5 (03:52):
On am I on that because I can't hear myself.
I don't know what's going on with the Maatt Morel says, yes, okay,
I would say they had the Patriots had the best
offense that they've had in I would say conservatively three years. Yes,
like that was the most conventional offense they've had. In
the pregame show, I said to you when we were

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talking about the whole Alex van Pelt thing, and I
had mentioned how you know when you're down the bottom
of all the offensive categories and you're not necessarily doing
anything to help we understand the limitations personnel wise. Today
they were a dozen or so examples of scheme see

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coupled with, without question, the best game that Drake May
has played out of the six games. And the thing
I like most about Drake May today is coming off
the heels of what I thought was his worst game.
So you know, you file that one away and say,
he knows he didn't play his best last week, and

(04:56):
he came out and he drops some as the kids
like to say, he drops some dimes today.

Speaker 3 (05:01):
He was really really good today.

Speaker 5 (05:03):
Now, it's obviously a disappointing end. They had a shot
there with the you know two what two point fourteen
to play two timeouts, you know timeout in the two
minute warning, and it didn't come together.

Speaker 3 (05:13):
What are you gonna do?

Speaker 5 (05:14):
But I just loved the way he played the game today,
and I thought that time and time again he was
making difficult plays under difficult circumstances. That first crossing route.
We're gonna get to a lot of this stuff, I know,
but the first crossing route early in the game to
Douglas for about twenty five thirty yards, he's getting buried,

(05:35):
jumping into the hit, throwing it the other way. I
just thought Drake may was was exceptional today.

Speaker 3 (05:40):
I just want to clean up one thing, Paul, because
they did have a chance. Twenty eight, twenty two two
minute warning. You're at the thirty two yard line. Was
it a miscommunication between the quarterback.

Speaker 5 (05:50):
And a ball sale He's he's trying to make a
play down the field. I didn't get a look at
the replay. As soon as that happened, I came downstairs.
But I mean, he's got to.

Speaker 3 (05:58):
Marry it right here on the screen. Yeah, good job
Chris on this. Douglas doesn't look Yeah, that's uh, he's
going to see a better few here from the end
zone look Paul where he looks like he has him
the ball sales.

Speaker 5 (06:12):
Yeah, yeah, you're kind of right now getting to look
at that now. It would have had to be it
would have had have been just a perfect you know,
dropping it in between four or five guys there. But
they did look like there was a little bit of
a pocket, no question that that you're talking about.

Speaker 3 (06:27):
Matt.

Speaker 5 (06:28):
That's good, good call by you, I would say, I
mean that's my first real look at the replays here, and.

Speaker 3 (06:33):
This end zone look is the best look.

Speaker 5 (06:35):
I don't know if it's sailed on him or if
it was a miscommunication he's looking to you know, it
looks like Douglas is looking to clear out of that congestion,
and May is like, I'm not going to have time
to let you clear out of that congestion. So I'm
not positive, but you know, I think that at that
time of the game, you got to try to make
a play outfit. You can't go you know, it was
third and thirteen. You can't be thrown into the sticks

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and saying oh here we go, new sut of downs.
That's not going to work.

Speaker 3 (06:59):
Right, And I don't want to go all as a
prude film on the final play there, because I think
if you watch the game and understand where this team
is at this particular point time and there development, the
bigger point is here the quarterback played his best game.

Speaker 5 (07:14):
I thought, by far, you know, we got mich just
came into in the middle two, We'll get his thoughts.
But I thought he played really really well today.

Speaker 6 (07:21):
So did I, And I as a defense guy, I'm
not even that upset right now. I'm just excited to
see what Drake May did. I'm a little bit trying
not to think about what the defense did there in
the middle of the game. They did turn it, but
I just was so encouraged by what Drake May did,
and you know, even just before that final drive, feeling
like you had a chance, like that's what we said
to Paul, They're going to take a shot at this point.
Last couple of years, if they were in that situation,

(07:42):
you might have felt like we need eight plays right
now to try to string it down the drive.

Speaker 5 (07:45):
You might say what you said. I feel like, if
mag was still here, would be.

Speaker 6 (07:49):
Like, okay, let's put together a twelve here, right, twelve
play fifty five yards, but you know, just to feel
like you had a chance, and I feel the growing confidence.

Speaker 7 (07:59):
I totally agree with what Paul said, though.

Speaker 6 (08:01):
It just it felt different today. To me, it felt
like a functional offense. It felt like things were kind
of in sync.

Speaker 8 (08:06):
I know it wasn't.

Speaker 6 (08:07):
Overwhelming, but it feels like they're starting to stack things.
And I just know I can't remember feeling this good
after a loss right now, Like that was a close game,
that was kind of a fun game to watch.

Speaker 3 (08:16):
There was definitely fun. It was a fun game to watch,
is I think I said when I was all by
myself here by the bye and I just I wonder
if we're glossing over some of the things that are
maddening to watch, because.

Speaker 8 (08:29):
We'll get to those.

Speaker 5 (08:30):
Well, while they a lot to talk about today.

Speaker 3 (08:34):
They lost a line of scrimmage badly on both sides,
and yet they still had a chance to win the
game at the end, which I think speaks volumes about
for the offense played, but it doesn't Sean Smith.

Speaker 5 (08:46):
Okay, well, ye's who it says volumes a penalty eight
that was one of the most insane calls that I've
ever seen change An entire complexion of the fourth quarter
of that getting called for taking the guy off the
pile when he was standing up.

Speaker 3 (08:58):
That was like an egregiously bad call.

Speaker 5 (09:01):
But I'm going to also say this, can we can
we put the illegal formation penalties away?

Speaker 3 (09:06):
The one that that was called on.

Speaker 5 (09:07):
The paper for the first half, remember me, I just
want to state it like I'm pretty fair.

Speaker 3 (09:11):
I think that they're just awful.

Speaker 5 (09:13):
I think that these guys are awful, and I think
they've been put here, Matt, just to take away our
enjoyment of watching NFL football games.

Speaker 3 (09:20):
That's what I think of the officiating.

Speaker 9 (09:22):
Now.

Speaker 5 (09:22):
When all of these games I'm tired of. There's a
Cooper Cup comes out of his break, Marcus Jones is
holding him a little bit by theay, there's the flag. No,
we're gonna talk about it for five minutes, then we're
gonna pick it up the next series. Kendrick Bourne runs
down the sideline. There's no contact at all between two guys.
We're gonna call this pass interference. They flip coins, make
it up, and it's just takes away completely, takes away

(09:45):
a large deal of the enjoyment for me watching these games.
Every play that that gets made. I immediately look at
the field.

Speaker 3 (09:52):
Yeah, I can see with it trained for that.

Speaker 5 (09:55):
Now, aren't we like we can't even get a punt
this A guy gets called for an illegal formation on
a punt in the last play of the game, the
last drive of the game. But that call on Jared
Verse for removing a guy from the pile while that
guy was standing up by the way on a failed
third down. It's fourth down, the game's over. If they
punt there, completely change the tenor of the game. Can

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you imagine if the Rams ended up losing that game
twenty nine to twenty eight, and that's the difference between
making the playoffs or not that call that had nothing
to do with the play. Can you imagine if you
were a Rams fan and you lost on a play
like that, Like, these guys are just so over officious,
and I for me, and if they don't ruin it
for you, that's fine. They're so over officious. They take

(10:39):
away a lot of the enjoyment of the game. And
I said that on the first quarter when they stopped
the Patriots drive on that great play that May made
to hit Hunter Henry which should have put him down inside.
And we get to get called for an illegal formation
because the tackles. Now, in fairness, the tackle and guard
were in the backfield. But I don't care, Like I
don't need that doesn't affect the play. I don't need

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every one of those called. And if you're gonna call it,
I want you to call it every play.

Speaker 3 (11:05):
Like that you do against when when the chiefs are
I want you to call it every play that it happens.

Speaker 5 (11:09):
So I don't want this to be like, oh, he's
trying to be over the top, you know, against the
Patriots because he works for the This is this is
not a four or against officials. I mean, like team wise,
this is just against the officials in general. You're saying,
I think they're incompetent and I think they ruin games.

Speaker 3 (11:28):
How's that? That's Iran, that's a rint.

Speaker 8 (11:31):
I just let him go.

Speaker 3 (11:32):
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us at podcasts at Patriots dot com. Uh all right,
so we got a bunch of things off our chest there, Matt.
Let's go to the good, the bad, and the injured. Please.

Speaker 1 (11:49):
Now it's time for the good, pretty good, pretty good,
the bad.

Speaker 10 (11:57):
And the injured.

Speaker 3 (11:58):
Ah, you are right, guy, Paul is desperately looking power
that deaf power man. Paul needs a power court. All right?

Speaker 2 (12:13):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (12:14):
Is there?

Speaker 8 (12:15):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (12:16):
There is there any doubt? Is who is in the
leadoff spot for the good Mike and Paul. Let's do it.
Drake May come on, Paul maybe later now, Drake May.

Speaker 6 (12:30):
He's look, he's growing before our eyes and that's just exciting.

Speaker 8 (12:33):
That's what we talked about all summer. What do you
need this year?

Speaker 6 (12:35):
We need to see Drake May step up, grow into
this role?

Speaker 8 (12:39):
Is he the guy?

Speaker 6 (12:40):
And I think each passing week he's showing you more
and more reason why he can be the guy despite
some limitations around him. Certainly, as Paul was pointing out
during the game, you have some pressure in his face.
I mean just some of the throws that he was
able to make. I think what's intriguing to me is
that it's just a growing sense that you have a
margin of error with this kid if you get the

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right pieces around him. You know, right now it feels
a little bit like he's trying to do a lot
by himself and I think some guys did step up
and support him a little bit today, But as you
put the pieces in around him, I think this kid's
always going to give you a shot. And that was
the growing confidence I felt there at the end of
the game. I didn't know for sure that it was
fada complete, that this was over. You know, this kid

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has a chance to make plays down the field, to
make chance players with guys in his face, and that's
just exciting. I think that's all we've been kind of
wanting around here was a quarterback that gives you a
chance every week, no matter how it's kind of going,
no matter who's in the lineup, who isn't I think
Drake Mays that guy. And this was just a fun
day to watch him play and grow. It wasn't perfect, certainly,
you still see some of the you know, some of

(13:42):
the things that are going to be issues for him
as he goes along, but that's aokay by me.

Speaker 8 (13:46):
You're seeing him grow every week and assist. That's awesome
to see.

Speaker 5 (13:49):
You know, my two requisites and I say it all
the time. You know, they don't move the ball and
they don't score points. Well, they moved the ball today.
They didn't score a ton of points, but they scored some,
and it just, I mean everything Mike said, I would
just echo thirty for forty for two to eighty two,
two touchdowns, you know, two more turnovers again. You know
I'm going to exonerate the last one. Desperation just got

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to try to make a play. But he's the singular
reason why you're competitive in this game, right yep.

Speaker 3 (14:17):
Yeah, there were a couple of pols. So you've pulled
the stats up. There are a couple twelve play thirteen
play drives that that they didn't capitalize on when you're
talking about long drives and things like that, But that
goes into some of the decision making that was made
that might show up later. Yep. I would think. So okay,
So universally, we all hats off to Drake May in

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his best game as an NFL player. I think that's
an easy one that we can all say.

Speaker 6 (14:44):
Can I just say one thing, Matt, I don't want
to put this on the good list, but I just
want to piggyback on what you just said about the
sustained drives because it's it's not something that has a
spot on the list. But I think it's related to
Drake May and it's just just impressive in the second half.
I mean they had four straight scoring drives, nine plays,
thirteen plays, ten plays, thirteen plays. You know, it's just
a little bit of rhythm to this offense, a little

(15:04):
bit of and granted, Like look I wrote in and
my thing, I just wrote like there are a couple
of those where thirty yards were in penalties.

Speaker 3 (15:10):
You know, like they got helped along.

Speaker 6 (15:11):
The way a little bit for sure, but they're staying
on the field and they're making and he's able to
play more because of it. So rams helped them out
a little bit in that regard. But I just I
like in the second half that they were able to
hold the ball over.

Speaker 5 (15:22):
Yeah, I mean thirty yards a pen like you get
a face mask, you had a face mask. That's a
like it's the first one. Like if I'm Sean McVay
and I lost that game, I would have assaulted that
guy on that call, Like the game is over and
they extended the game.

Speaker 3 (15:36):
I think the frustrating thing about that, Mike, as you
point out, on the Patriots end, but on the other end,
you're letting them score in consecutive drives the only thing
that held them back was the goalpost when the when
the kicker joinked it, because they would have scored on
five consecutive drives. So I mean, we'll get to that
at all. I I was just telling you about how.

Speaker 7 (15:55):
I don't get me started on the defense and right now, man,
is not the time for it.

Speaker 5 (15:58):
And Fred, we just started, so you can jump in.
We just sort of holiday tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (16:04):
Fred, just f y I, Paul and Mike have determined
tomorrow is Drake May Day. Governor Healy has already the
day off in a good way.

Speaker 5 (16:13):
And that might not be a coincidence that I was
so high on Drake May coming out of college.

Speaker 3 (16:17):
And I'm sort of I'm a little you feel validated
a little.

Speaker 5 (16:21):
As Fred likes to say, I'm smelling my own farts
a little bit about Drake.

Speaker 3 (16:25):
In Uh, it's a little instant analysis from you. What
are we doing. We just we just started blowing. We
just glowing about Drake.

Speaker 11 (16:34):
Obviously May for the Patriots' story, but I think the
secondary story is our defense. Rams are a kind of
team that stresses you all levels of the field, and
we you know, it's our defense. Isn't really suited for
that yet no, you know.

Speaker 3 (16:49):
And like, at the risk of picking on, we're not
suited for this. You know, there's too much. There's a
reason much we have a practice squad linebacker in coverage
on the play. There's a reason he's a practice squad guy.
You shouldn't be playing as much as he's playing. Gives
you everything he's got. Ellis, you know he's not a
practice squad guy. He's one of the guys, one of
your players. I mean, you know what he's talking about, correct, Yeah,

(17:12):
I mean they've got too many guys out of the defense.

Speaker 5 (17:15):
Is defense had a good game against inferior weately dysfunctional
Chicago team that fired its offensive coordinator in the aftermath
of it. That's the one outlier, Like, let's this is
what's happened every week.

Speaker 11 (17:28):
And the Rams are a good offense, you know.

Speaker 5 (17:31):
Most Yeah today they certainly, they certainly were good today.

Speaker 3 (17:34):
That's those are three pretty good guys.

Speaker 11 (17:36):
Pulled to flame the defense.

Speaker 3 (17:38):
It's pulling me out. I can't do it, but you
know what, let's stay on the good side next please,
uh oh my good list.

Speaker 5 (17:45):
Oh so I had Alex van Pelt and you know
I kind of started this In the pregame, Fred there
was you know, there's been a lot of Alex van
Pelt needs to go. Why is it under so much scrutiny?
And I was like, you know, and a lot of
people have been defensive of that. I said, well, when
you're at the bottom of the league in offense and
we understand the limitations personnel wise, but what are you

(18:05):
doing to help it?

Speaker 3 (18:07):
Today? I saw a lot that he did to help it.

Speaker 5 (18:10):
And I'm not just talking about like a nice little
tackle eligible play to Verdarian Low, which by the way,
I called the sequence of Some of the slants I
thought were things that really bothered the Rams. I think
they were prepared for some heavy pressure early in the
game that they got and they were able to combat it.
Hunter Henry was another going concern. Just I thought Alex

(18:34):
van Pelt did a great job of getting to Mario
Douglas in space and Austin Hooper on that little screen
on the first drive in space. Really good job I
thought by AVP really for four full quarters today.

Speaker 3 (18:47):
And that first touchdown drive I wrote in my notes
that was the best sequence drive of the year. When
they scored to make it seven to nothing, and a
lot of those plays you just mentioned Paul, but he
set them up a little bit and that was as
well as they looked on offense. In my opinion, on the.

Speaker 11 (19:03):
Play where Polk had the false start getting a little
too cute with what was I don't know what was
gonna happen, but May went it's a good question. Yeah,
May went wide. It was gonna be some type of
trick play. It's a different list though, Yeah, okay, different list, right, Yeah,
but you were talking about AVP. I mean, you know,
but yeah, I mean I have no complaints with a
VP today, No, you know, yeah.

Speaker 3 (19:24):
He was an asset today. Yeah, he he helped them today. Yeah, Mike.

Speaker 6 (19:28):
Kendrick Bourne, I studied a spark cut a touchdown, you know,
not playing last week. Thought this was, you know what
you want out of Kendrick Bourne, making some big plays,
delivering the team needed him too. I thought that touchdown was,
you know, nice run you're seeing here right here, the
touchdown nice, you know, tough catch for him, but I
just thought he brought that energy that we've been kind
of waiting for him too. So whatever buttons they're pushing

(19:49):
on him with last week and all that stuff, let's
hope it's behind him because he's, you know, showing a
little bit of spark.

Speaker 8 (19:54):
You're seeing a little bit of how it looks with
Born and Booty working again.

Speaker 3 (19:57):
Well, can I can I expand on that just a
little bit for the guys. I don't have the snap
count here in front of me, but Born, Booty, who
did ever drop? And Douglas you're wide receivers. He spread
it around a little bit. They looked like NFL players,
you know, where a position that's been criticized deservedly so
for the entire year. Those guys look like I'm not
telling you they're set a wide receiver. I'm not seeing

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that by any stretch, but they looked like a professional
NFL group at wide receiver.

Speaker 6 (20:22):
They looked like real receiving numbers. I mean, it's just
if you're a stat watcher. Five catchers for seventy yards,
six for sixty three, five for fifty. This is much
better than what we been seeing where it's one guy.

Speaker 5 (20:32):
Yeah, I liked I liked boyn today. I had him
on my list to Mike, I thought he gave a
little spark and I thought this was one of to
Mario Douglas, best game in two years.

Speaker 3 (20:40):
He made a cut in that first touchdown drive.

Speaker 11 (20:42):
That guy look silly.

Speaker 5 (20:44):
He was, he was elusive and he was I thought
he was playing fast today.

Speaker 8 (20:47):
As the kids like to say, a lot of kids
stuff today.

Speaker 5 (20:50):
He did not like Booty's game today at all.

Speaker 3 (20:52):
I did not have him.

Speaker 5 (20:53):
I had him on a different list, but I had
I thought, nice job.

Speaker 11 (20:58):
I would nice blocking down field by Booty as well.

Speaker 5 (21:00):
I would co sign on Mike's Mike's leading off with Bourne.
I thought he he he gave that energy that everybody
talks about all the time, and we saw it today.

Speaker 3 (21:10):
I thought he was good. Okay, Paul next, uh.

Speaker 5 (21:13):
Hunter Henry like, I just feel like he's a fixture
on this list every week.

Speaker 3 (21:17):
I just he's so steady.

Speaker 5 (21:18):
And I would put Hooper too, And I mentioned Hooper
on the on the first drive. But but Henry, you know,
take some hits. Big third down catches gets open when
when May needs a completion, Henry gets open consistently, mister
third down six for sixty three. It looks like so
another good day for him.

Speaker 8 (21:34):
Yep.

Speaker 7 (21:35):
Okay, Michael, who another one?

Speaker 8 (21:38):
Uh? Let me see where was I come back to me?

Speaker 3 (21:44):
I think that's.

Speaker 8 (21:44):
Okay, I think.

Speaker 11 (21:45):
I mean, he had maybe a couple of tackles, maybe
a pressure, but just to see him out there, Barmore
put him on the good list, you know, just just
to have him out there.

Speaker 3 (21:54):
You know, that's fair tough to put a lot of
good on that on the defense.

Speaker 11 (21:59):
Today, But yep, he wasn't out there a lot now
for you.

Speaker 3 (22:05):
Know, correctly any other on the good list, Mike into
or Paul.

Speaker 8 (22:09):
I think that's yeah, that's kind of it for me.
I think.

Speaker 5 (22:11):
So I'm down to yeah with Mike, I'm down to
individual place. And I had you know, I gave a
little Ada Boyd Jayvon Baker for the opening kickoff return,
you know, broke a tackle, got out over the forty
forty five. You set up shop and really good field
position to start the game. And then as bad as
the defense was, it's aspiration time. You need some plays.

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And two out of three plays on the last three plays,
Keon White huge pass deflection to knock one down.

Speaker 11 (22:40):
If he doesn't have that, if that probably goes for
twenty twenty five.

Speaker 5 (22:44):
And even if it doesn't, even if it goes for
like five yards, it's a catch. It's you know, the
clock is running, they're in field goal like all that stuff.

Speaker 3 (22:52):
So that was huge.

Speaker 5 (22:53):
And then Jonathan Jones is able to rip the ball
really competitive away from Kuka Nakua after getting absolutely dominated
for the entire game. Right, the whole secondary, and I'm
not kicking on Jonathan Jones, the whole secondary looked like
it was a high school secondary today. Every incompletion was
to a guy who was wide open. There was a
handful of passes that Stafford just didn't make, but everything,

(23:13):
every incompletion had nothing to do with the Patriots except
for that one, and that was with the game on
the line, he gave you one final shot. So those
two things I had on my good list, key On
White and then two plays later.

Speaker 3 (23:24):
Jonathan Jones, all right, do you want to kick off
the bad pump the secondary?

Speaker 5 (23:29):
I I would, you know what I'm going to start
with just the overall scheme, and I'm not you know,
I'm not Buddy Ryan, you know the forty six defense.
I'm not breaking down film or anything, but whatever you're
designing to have Keyon White out in the slot to
sort of shadow Cooper Cup off the line, and then

(23:49):
you move him in and then you just give him
an easy twenty yard completion on it, just a little
snap throw, No one's there, like, that's poor design. But
the most egregious play, second play of the second half.
It's second and nine. You go cover zero on Cooper
Cup and you know, Jonathan Jones is a step late.

(24:10):
He dies, which maybe that was a questionable decision to
dive to try to knock the pass away and then
you end up giving up a seventy yard touchdown cover
zero in that spot to me seemed odd.

Speaker 11 (24:23):
Well, I think the broadcast put up some type of
stat about when the Patriots blitzed and they were getting burned.

Speaker 6 (24:29):
Yeah all day, Yeah, yeah, got burned again on that. Yeah,
you're totally right for they put that up at halftime.
I think he both his previous two touchdowns to this
were off the blitz. I think he had won incompletion
maybe four for five, five.

Speaker 3 (24:39):
To six, there were two, there were two.

Speaker 5 (24:41):
Next Gen had them six for seven with a perfect
passer rating and PFF had him five for seven with
like a one fifty two or something like that. So
dueling analytics against the blitz in.

Speaker 3 (24:53):
The first half.

Speaker 5 (24:54):
So they come out on the first pass of the
second half, and they blitz and that's the result in
kind of that play end of the game.

Speaker 11 (25:02):
Sure, yeah, it took the win out of the sales.

Speaker 5 (25:05):
It made you chase the whole the rest of the game. Yep,
so cover zero on that. I think as well. As
they played defensively and schematically last week, I think this
wasn't they.

Speaker 3 (25:15):
Regressed this week?

Speaker 5 (25:17):
Well, they went back to the norm. That's what they did.

Speaker 3 (25:19):
In my mind, I understood.

Speaker 5 (25:20):
But to me that the like the personnel stuff like
you talk about Christian Ellis and stuff like that, that
stuff you can't that's.

Speaker 3 (25:27):
Not your fault.

Speaker 5 (25:28):
But you, you know, all the stuff I say positively
about a VP, I would say negatively about DeMarcus Covington
in this game because I don't think he put the
players in positions where they could succeed.

Speaker 3 (25:38):
Like you can't have to.

Speaker 5 (25:40):
Matt's point, christianell Is trying to run with these guys
Javal Delaney, Tavai, trying to run with Cooper Cup across
the field tough. You've got to do something different. Maybe
like did they play a ton of man today? Because
I mean maybe I just missed.

Speaker 11 (25:52):
I don't know. It was a lot of zone.

Speaker 3 (25:54):
Actually, I thought that's what I thought that.

Speaker 5 (25:56):
You know again, I'm not buddy Ryan.

Speaker 11 (25:57):
Yeah, I mean DeMarcus is sort of coaching like he's
got a decent defense and like Paul said, you gotta
protect them. You got to know who you are, You
got to know who.

Speaker 5 (26:08):
Well the zones are to protect you. I know that,
but but they don't have to. They just don't have
enough horses and they didn't change. Like I don't know
the Rams, Like friend's right, Like the Rams are a
pretty good offense.

Speaker 3 (26:20):
That those three are elite.

Speaker 5 (26:23):
And I know that people don't. You know, people around
here especially make fun of me for my Stafford adulation.
But passed the eyeball test for at age thirty six.

Speaker 3 (26:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (26:33):
Some of the throws that he made today, like they're
just perfect.

Speaker 3 (26:37):
Yeah, that's past the cup, the second lay, the second
half that was to.

Speaker 5 (26:43):
The tight end in the back corner of the end zone. Yeah,
was at Parkinson, Parkinson.

Speaker 6 (26:48):
Yeah, I'll just I'll hop on and connected. I we
talked about pressuring, pressuring Stafford pass rushes for me, didn't
didn't register a stack, didn't register a sack. I mean,
he just he looked comfortable the whole pretty much the
whole game. I think those first two punts they forced Yeah,
Barmore get him with some pressure in his face, brought
some guys in.

Speaker 8 (27:07):
I think Ellis was.

Speaker 6 (27:07):
Able to loop around and you got a little bit
of pressure, but there just wasn't enough. You weren't able
to affect him. You saw that this is an elite
scheme with a veteran quarterback who knows exactly what he's doing.
I just I echo what Paul was saying. It felt
a little bit like from a schematic standpoint, we were
a little bit overmatched and they just they weren't able
to adjust. They weren't able to get any way to

(27:28):
affect him. He looked like he just had all the
time in the world to sit back there and do
what he wanted to do.

Speaker 3 (27:32):
So interestingly, Paul chose to highlight the secondary as his
bad and that's all well and good. I just think
it seemed like it was a total unit breakdown. You
talk about the lack of any kind of a pass
rush or anything like that, That whole side of the
ball kept you from, you know, having any kind of

(27:53):
control in the game. And with the lack of the
pass rush, I don't know what did they run for
Paul wasn't a ton, but when they wanted to run the.

Speaker 5 (28:01):
Like averaged fifteen eighty six for five point seven at I.

Speaker 3 (28:05):
Was gonna say six yards of carried pretty much, so
they you know, once they figured things out in the
start of the second quarter, they pretty much could do
whatever they wanted to do.

Speaker 5 (28:13):
Yes, and really really they averaged about five yards of
carry because Stafford's down here for four kneel downs for
zero yards, right Like.

Speaker 6 (28:21):
I think one of the things too, I was just
impressed with the Rams offense was how they consistently got
dry starters, and we were talking about in the press
box where how many times on their drives first or
second play was a big play and got them out
of their At their side of that, I don't think they.

Speaker 11 (28:34):
Converted a third down until the third quarter they went
for al It's so crazy because they're two of they
didn't need to.

Speaker 6 (28:40):
They were two of a for third down, they didn't
and they didn't even face one on that long touchdown drive.

Speaker 3 (28:44):
The fact.

Speaker 6 (28:47):
They couldn't get the third down, I mean, you don't
get a sack, you don't register a takeaway. It's just
it's really hard to live that way, and that's why
you felt like the Rams offense was kind of dictating
to the Patriots defense pretty much the whole game.

Speaker 3 (28:58):
Okay, uh, Mike, I'll let you go next.

Speaker 6 (29:01):
I'm gonna say red zone offense. That was a little
bit of a problem last week. This week they were
two for five, and you know that's that's a spot
for Drake to continue to improve, hardest spot in the
field to do it. We know, we talk about it
in training camp. That's where they start. Red zone offense. Uh,
A lot of these games might be a little bit
different if they're starting to finish a little bit more
consistency with touchdowns. So I think that's the next kind

(29:24):
of place to be conquered by this offense, is making
sure you convert when you get into that red zone.
But you know, hey, they got their five times, so
I will give a little bit of credit for moving
the ball like that.

Speaker 3 (29:33):
And Fred, what's that?

Speaker 8 (29:39):
No one knows what you're talking about.

Speaker 5 (29:40):
James Cook is on my fans, Fred, do you have
any bad ye sneaky bad?

Speaker 11 (29:47):
No big plays, but the coverage is you know on
kicks today wasn't that great?

Speaker 3 (29:53):
You know, sneaky bad. Special teams no again, how about
you know that you can't block up the the extra pot,
the extra point. That just changes it, like it just
changes the complexion of everything. And I was having a
texting contest with a colleague where they their return game
and the punt re term has been pretty good, has

(30:14):
been pretty consistent. They make some plays on special teams,
but every week there is a special team's gaff and
that's the the you know, until they can stop themselves
from hurting themselves on special teams, it's hard to call
it an asset at this point in time in my opinion.

Speaker 5 (30:30):
Yeah, no, I think that's fair. Yep, it's another another
misstep on special teams. And then to compound that, you
get that pat blocked and then the ensuing kickoff you'll
allow him take out over the thirty five.

Speaker 3 (30:40):
Correct, that was back to back. Thank you Paul for
bringing that up. I had that on my notes because
as soon as that happened, I mean, that's just like
those are the hidden yards that I know has got
to drive Girrod crazy, or should drive little Every.

Speaker 11 (30:52):
Yard counts, you know, when you're struggling.

Speaker 3 (30:56):
Yeah, you know what else on.

Speaker 6 (30:57):
The list, Michael, I think I'm uh yeah, I think
I got everything off my chest there. I know Paul
might talk about booty though, right.

Speaker 3 (31:07):
Though, I mean not egregiously.

Speaker 5 (31:08):
I just thought it was a bad drop on the
first third down or the first drive.

Speaker 11 (31:12):
Zoe said it was the sun okay, he did.

Speaker 5 (31:17):
I know we also blamed the game and the refs.

Speaker 3 (31:20):
Did he really? Oh god, he was.

Speaker 5 (31:22):
I was getting texts like throughout the game and at
one point Fred goes, oh, that's a hold.

Speaker 11 (31:27):
I go easy, though, But there were some miscalls up
the line.

Speaker 5 (31:30):
There was one thing you were talking about, yeah, that
I think it was far more tackled, right, And he
absolutely did see I went on a riot at the beginning.

Speaker 3 (31:37):
You might want to listen offall. At the very beginning,
he ruffle and the other one ruffle both ways.

Speaker 11 (31:42):
The other guy had farms by the face mask. The
whole break is just dragging him across the line by
his face mask.

Speaker 5 (31:48):
I did not see that one, but I don't. I
don't doubt you, because I think that these guys are
just incompetent boobs. But I think it's worth like just
talking for a second about decision making. And Mike talked
about the red zone and specifically when they go, you know,
the rhyme and reason for going far. Okay, So three
or four weeks ago, all the analytics people talk to

(32:09):
me until I was blue in the face about how
wrong I was about the whole down fifteen cut it
to nine. You no, no, no, no, no no, you don't
want to go. You don't want to kick it. I
mean you don't. You don't want to make it eight.

Speaker 3 (32:20):
Right. You need to know what you need.

Speaker 5 (32:21):
You need to know what you need. So today, what
happens in the same spot down fifteen?

Speaker 3 (32:26):
They kick it? Now it got blocked, so you're still
down too.

Speaker 5 (32:29):
And I looked at you know, I know this is
going to come as a surprise map, but I'm a
little snarky. I go, the good news is we know
what we need.

Speaker 3 (32:36):
But why the difference? Why the change in philosophy.

Speaker 5 (32:40):
I don't have to agree with what your philosophy is,
but I would really appreciate it if you had one.
So three or four weeks ago, it wasn't that much
difference in the time either. What this was early fourth quarter, right,
I'm just trying to look where the kick was blocked.

Speaker 3 (32:56):
Yeah, twelve forty six.

Speaker 5 (32:57):
So for a difference of about four minutes, because I
think there was eight thirty three left in London when
they did that. Ye wouldn't there be a little bit
more time. Wouldn't that be more of a reason to
go for two in that situation?

Speaker 11 (33:11):
So now you know what you need longer, Well, you.

Speaker 5 (33:13):
Have more time. So now two scores isn't insurmountable. As
it turned out, they had the ball in plenty of it.
They didn't run out of time at the end, they
didn't execute at the end. They had third and goal
from the two. Then they get stuffed and you kick
a field goal there? How do we feel what that feels?

Speaker 3 (33:30):
Goal that A lot of people did not like that, yeah,
as well as they did not like a shoeing? Is
that the right pronunciation? A shoeing? A field goal attempt
in the first half when they could have kicked In
that case, it would have been a long kick. I
think it was fifty yard.

Speaker 5 (33:45):
So I want to get to that a little fifty.
It was fifty five. It would have been fifty five.
But my moles tell me that Joey Slide was really
struggling kicking in that direction.

Speaker 3 (33:59):
Pregame, your moles must be on Twitter because I missed.

Speaker 5 (34:01):
We missed from forty eight fifty four off the upright,
and then he was wide right from fifty eight. Okay,
that was about fifty five, So maybe that had something
to do with it. Right, So I'm going to give
him a little bit of a pass for that.

Speaker 11 (34:12):
One, okay.

Speaker 3 (34:13):
And so you think that that that question will be
asked of the coach probably postgame, so giving there to
give him the opportunity to or Phil Perry. No, I
just think because of those things that you mentioned in pregame,
I think somebody will ask him the question. Yeah, I
just I.

Speaker 5 (34:28):
Would wonder if that had something to do with it. I
just thought it's and again, these decisions are not black
and white, you know, like we're going to go for
it on fourth and two from the No, there's no
right and wrong answer.

Speaker 3 (34:41):
I'm asking how.

Speaker 5 (34:41):
We all feel about these various decisions, you know what
I mean, not necessarily killing gered Mao for not going
for it. I do think it's contradictory the whole down nine,
down nine with eight and a half minutes left, we're
going to go for two to try to make it seven.

Speaker 3 (34:57):
Paul, remind me of the score. Was it twenty eight.
It was it twenty eight ten, and they decided to
kick the field that make it twenty eight thirteen.

Speaker 5 (35:04):
No, No, I'm talking about the touchdown that they kicked,
the extra point that got blocked. They made it twenty
eight to nineteen. Yeah, yeah, it was twenty eight thirteen.
They scored a touchdown and make it twenty eight nineteen. Right, yep,
you kick it. It's twenty eight twenty. It's a one
score game with twelve and a half minutes left. Four

(35:26):
weeks ago, you were in the same spot with eight
and a half minutes left, and you went for two
because you told it was important to know what you
needed if you don't get it. So again, I don't
need to agree with your decision. I would like it
to have some rhyme or reason.

Speaker 11 (35:40):
So you have to feeling of the game pull.

Speaker 3 (35:42):
But do you think that's what it is?

Speaker 11 (35:44):
I don't know, Like I I'm asking, No, I think
that's what it is. Right?

Speaker 5 (35:48):
Like, So what about do you think that the feel
of the game today led you to believe that we
didn't need to get within one score today? But I
mean we needed to get what we needed today. Didn't
like today? I would say it should have been the opposite,
if it's feel with the game, because today they were
moving the ball every time they got it. Yeah, against Jacksonville,

(36:09):
it seemed like a miracle that they got one touchdown
at the end of that game, let alone, they're going
to get two more scores in the last eight and
a half minutes today. I don't know about you guys,
but I thought they would. I didn't know if they
would score a touchdown because I've touchdown in that Spot's hard,
but I thought they.

Speaker 3 (36:24):
Would move the ball. Now they didn't. Well, see he
took a shot.

Speaker 11 (36:28):
Feeling of the game is why I was kind of
okay when they went for the field goal inside the five.

Speaker 3 (36:34):
I didn't hate that either. I didn't hate it. I
didn't hate that either.

Speaker 11 (36:37):
I was going back and forth, like we're not making
the playoffs. Just go for the touchdown, you know, like
be aggressive? Who cares? But then at the same time
I could see, Okay, you hit the field goal. You
make it a one possession game. Yeah, you know.

Speaker 3 (36:52):
What I hear when you say that, friend, And I
was thinking about it. When Paul was talking about the
zero blitz is there was there the comment that maybe
they're not as aggressive offensively, and yet they did what
they did on defense to not really protect that defense.
In that situation, it seems like it counter it goes
against each other. And it's funny too.

Speaker 5 (37:14):
A couple on that. I feel like they're aggressive in
their play calling offensively, right, but they're not aggressive with
their fourth bound decisions. And Evan had something he showed
us in the game that we are actually the least
agreed by some analytic thing with a least aggressive team
in the league when it comes to those.

Speaker 3 (37:33):
Nerds dot org those decisions. You said it, all right?
Anything else on the bad list? Did we?

Speaker 9 (37:40):
So?

Speaker 5 (37:40):
I had ramondre Stevenson on my bad list today. I
thought he had some opportunities in space. I thought a
couple of really good checkdowns by by Drake May got
him the ball in space. Didn't make anybody miss uh
fumbled again. I know that we don't remember the fumble recover.

Speaker 3 (37:57):
Make you make sure to remind it.

Speaker 5 (37:58):
I had no I had someone you know, claiming, what
a great season he's having just this week, what a
great season he's got a bounce back after a down
year last year.

Speaker 3 (38:08):
Would he got hurt?

Speaker 5 (38:08):
And I'm like, does everybody remember that he fumbled the
first four games of the year, right.

Speaker 3 (38:12):
So the play that we just saw on and this
is the replay of it. Like, first of all, he's
getting hit in the backfield, so that's hard to put
on him. But there's a you know, he runs sometimes.
There's a couple of times, Paul where he really lowered
his shoulder and tried to get more and kept his
legs going when there wasn't much there. And then there
are times like this where he's going side. You know,
he's tackling the question his effort, I'm not saying that.

Speaker 5 (38:33):
I think that he had the ball in his hands
in space a couple of times to day and didn't
make anybody miss because he he needs to like sort
of he needs to plow over a guy, you know,
like that. There was a really questionable call on the
screen they ended up in the field goal that you
guys are talking about where they had fourth and goal
from the two. When they opted for the field goal,

(38:54):
there was a screen on that the defender came up
and went low as a when who was making a block,
But he went by a when you and made the tackle.
I don't know how that guy could make that tackle
with a when you in between the defender in the ball.
I don't know how Stevenson didn't make that guy miss
and the fumble again that that could have, you know,

(39:15):
give him the ball right there and we wouldn't even
be talking about these plays late in the game. I
was fortunate to get that back there because there was
all rams there.

Speaker 6 (39:22):
Interesting thing to me was the contrast in the running
games because you saw a lot of wide zone from
the rams and you see with Kyrie Williams what it's
kind of supposed to look like. And he's a very,
very different back than Remondre. He just has an ability
to find those scenes. Whereas Ramondre. I think he's good
in space, he's hard, but in those kind of tight
quarters when you saw from kyram Williams just the ability
to kind of get small, get through a whole get

(39:43):
up field. He's got a really good ability, real good
contact balance. He's hard to knock over. I was impressed
with him. He was you know, even when it felt
like there wasn't a lot there, he was still able
to get it. He was able to find those seams just.

Speaker 3 (39:56):
A little bit too. We're a smaller guy.

Speaker 8 (39:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (39:58):
Just an interesting contrast, had a good first half. Yeah,
he helped him on that score.

Speaker 3 (40:03):
I think Paul's a little tough on on Remandri being
on the bad list. You know he did it, he was.
I don't think he deserved to be on any list,
which might be more of an indictment.

Speaker 5 (40:13):
But I had opportunities to make plays. He had four
catches and he only got sixteen yards. I thought those
were opportunities to make plays.

Speaker 3 (40:20):
I don't know how well blocked up they were, and
I think but they're not.

Speaker 5 (40:22):
They're not blocked there. They're checkdowns. So there was only
one screen he needs to make somebody miss. Did you
see the amount of green around him when he caught
the ball? Like he like at least twice he.

Speaker 6 (40:31):
Caught the ball and you're like, ooh, something here, and
then it's like runs into five yards.

Speaker 3 (40:36):
I mean twenty carries for seventy three yards.

Speaker 5 (40:38):
I mean that's pedestrian. Yeah, it's just not going to
get it done. The running game again is Drake may
makes it look like you had a good rushing day
because he averages nine yards every time he runs it.
He did it again today. Would they run for as
a team? Did they break one hundred and twenty. Okay,
but in twenty seven of them a drake may right.

Speaker 3 (40:55):
Yeah, I'm just saying I think you might be a
little heard greater on reminder, that's all. I don't know.

Speaker 5 (41:00):
You average under four yards of carrying fumble. That's a
bad list today for me. I mean, I guess I
am tough.

Speaker 3 (41:06):
I respect it, Michael, anything else on your bad list?

Speaker 8 (41:09):
No, I'm good. I just I just got the injuries.

Speaker 3 (41:11):
Do we feel like we covered special teams enough to
be on the list? Yeah?

Speaker 5 (41:15):
The only other thing I had, like, just they continue
to like I thought, offensively, they came out really really strong,
and they had opportunities. Their first three drives. The first
drive gets derailed by an illegal chop block which was egregious,
so that stops that drive. They were moving really well.

Speaker 3 (41:34):
Then they score on their best drive of the year.
Then they have.

Speaker 5 (41:37):
Another drive where they're in scoring position and they get
the illegal formation penalty which short circuited that drive. And
I think, did they get a sack that knocked him
out of field goal range?

Speaker 12 (41:48):
That?

Speaker 5 (41:48):
How'd they end up get They didn't even end up
with a field goal on that drive. Penalties like just
they can't seem to stay out of their own way
to Maybe that's what I mean delay a game at home.

Speaker 11 (42:02):
They were lined up to punt though, right yeah, yeah,
oh okay, and that's not gonna play.

Speaker 3 (42:06):
I'm thinking of them.

Speaker 5 (42:07):
There was something else that happened.

Speaker 8 (42:08):
I mean, was that the illegal formation the.

Speaker 5 (42:10):
Illegal formation penalty. The illegal formation penalty nullified the catch
that was on low. Yeah, that's the definition of a
chop block on that. But I also this would not
be why I put Stevenson on the Stevenson saved.

Speaker 3 (42:23):
His quarterback on that play. He had no alternative door
give him a great today. Like as bad he was,
he made enough place today to keep him off the
bad list.

Speaker 5 (42:31):
How about we agreed. I can't think of a single one.

Speaker 3 (42:33):
How about the just saving the quarterback there on pass
pro it.

Speaker 5 (42:35):
Was a fifteen yard penalty.

Speaker 3 (42:37):
No. He also he also picked up a couple of
other okay blitzes as well. Well we'll give him the
bomb more banner. Okay, Uh, all right, that was for you, Freddy.
So that's a good and the bad. What are the
injuries today? I don't get them in my office.

Speaker 6 (42:51):
I don't get Curtis Jacobs had a concussion and he
did not return. Marcus Jones was okay. He returned with
an uncle. Michael Jordan also returned. And I think that
was what about what.

Speaker 3 (43:03):
About the security? What about the security guard in the
north end zone?

Speaker 8 (43:08):
That guy's okay.

Speaker 11 (43:09):
I thought it was a photographer.

Speaker 5 (43:11):
I don't remember if a quality returned, but he he
sent they sent him.

Speaker 3 (43:15):
I absolutely agree with you. Here's the team offs employee,
and I think it's a female that's tough and wouldn't
but you're not allowed to. Wouldn't be surprised if if
she hit her head falling backward. And boy, let's just
say the announcing team. By the way, I'm gonna throw

(43:37):
my own good and bad on that play by play.
Adam Iman, good color, Mark Sanchez first of all, terrible
man bun and not a good color analyst. No, that's
a bad combination.

Speaker 8 (43:49):
It's weird.

Speaker 3 (43:49):
But they they were saying that the RAMS tight end
did go after the secure you know, went to the security.

Speaker 11 (43:56):
No, no, no nature here.

Speaker 3 (43:58):
In my way, I have a scandal touchdown. Get mad
sure that she was all right? Checked it on. The
photographer also was collateral damage on that play. So good
for the RAMS tight End on being that way.

Speaker 8 (44:09):
Cameras were harmed in the making of this NFL game, all.

Speaker 3 (44:11):
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The crown is yours. The Patriots lose today to the
Los Angeles Rams twenty eight to twenty two, but a
quick perusal of the electronic mail and I think everybody's
in on Drake May. We start with Dean in Liverpool

(49:22):
in the UK. I'm not surprised that we didn't win,
but what a great effort by the whole team. No
one can say the team hasn't fighting because they're fighting
for every inch. I can take getting as long as
we fight, and we did today, Mike, I'm gonna come
back to you with a question on that in a second.
It looked like miscommunication in the last play, but what
in effort by Drake May the sole reason that the
Patriots were in the game. Thought AVP called an outstanding

(49:43):
game and Drake May is it?

Speaker 13 (49:45):
Mike?

Speaker 3 (49:46):
Last week, I really enjoyed what you said when you
wanted to say that the Patriots you wanted the Patriots
to become a pain in the ass team.

Speaker 19 (49:53):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (49:54):
Were they a pain in the ass today?

Speaker 6 (49:55):
I think they're getting there. I mean, I don't think
defensively there that much of pain in the ass. But
but I think it comes down to the quarterback, you know,
and that to me is did you feel like you
had a chance at the end. Then I'm sure the
Rams kind of felt that a little bit with how
Drake May played during the game, So they're getting there.

Speaker 11 (50:10):
I'll be interested to hear what Drake has to say
about that last play, like what did he see, because
it was pretty clear that Pop wasn't even looking, you know,
So did you were you.

Speaker 3 (50:22):
Here when Matt was breaking that down?

Speaker 11 (50:24):
I don't think so.

Speaker 3 (50:25):
Yeah, I didn't know what toe that.

Speaker 5 (50:27):
I just watched it, and as soon as the play happened,
I came downstairs and Matt was talking about exactly what
you're saying, Freddy, and he didn't.

Speaker 11 (50:33):
Yeah, he was.

Speaker 5 (50:34):
Looking to clear out of that congestion, and Mat, uh
that was called hi Mac, Drake was, yeah, was thrown
into that hole?

Speaker 11 (50:42):
Please?

Speaker 3 (50:43):
What does call it? What the cover too?

Speaker 2 (50:46):
Hole?

Speaker 3 (50:46):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (50:46):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, And well if Robert had he been looking,
I think there was a chance that they could have
made a play.

Speaker 3 (50:52):
Oh yeah, well weird.

Speaker 6 (50:53):
Yeah, it's weird because it looks like there is a
window there, But Matt, it's either Drake airmailed it and
Pop wasn't looking. But maybe in another universe there is
a perfect throw and a perfect catch there, but it
seemed like there was a small window. But yeah, they
just weren't on the same page.

Speaker 3 (51:06):
There are some angry emailers, not all on the drake
may beandwagon any positivity. This is Nick and Phoenix, who
writes what positivity should I have going forward? With the
coaching staff. I understand my own company are in their
first year, but every close game seems riddled with bad
coaching decisions and every step of the way, inconsistencies with
time management, two score deficits, et cetera. Give me a
major pause for concern. That's Nick in Phoenix, Arizona. That's harsh,

(51:32):
but it's harsh but fair.

Speaker 5 (51:34):
Yeah, Like there's been a lot of questionable decisions and
a lot of these close games.

Speaker 6 (51:38):
I mean, my radar is so up for it too,
Like when they had that possession right before the half
with the time coming down, and you just you know,
they haven't they haven't earned our trust yet with the
management of the clock and the close games and those
kind of things. You know, it hasn't. I'd say last
week around halftime, when they you know, did pretty well,
like that was a positive step in the right direction,
But I still feel a little bit scared there when it.

Speaker 7 (51:57):
Comes down to the end, and you know, I mean,
look at the drive they gave up right before. I mean,
they got so lucky.

Speaker 6 (52:01):
That they missed that field goal, but now that was
just more not good situational football. They're allowing them to
go right down the field and really probably should have
had at least three points, if not a touchdown.

Speaker 3 (52:11):
So let me ask you this question, Mike. I think
everybody in Patriot Nation has accepted and is fine with
grating Drake may On a rookie curve. Well, he's a rookie.
He's gonna make mistakes. But look at the flash, look
at all these different things. Is it a double standard
because I don't know that the Gerard Mayo and the
staff are getting the same sort of favor from the fans.

Speaker 11 (52:31):
I think tied into that. I'm I'm gonna speak here
because this could be a sensitive subject, but I think.

Speaker 3 (52:38):
The friend, if you need to address, I.

Speaker 11 (52:41):
Was looking at a deist. But I think the frustration
there it's not just with Mayo, it's how he was
hired and the fact that there was no other interviews
in a lot of people like, is that the best
coach we could have hired? And they understand he's a
first year coach, but I think the process on how
he was hired, you know, makes people say, see, you know,

(53:05):
That's what happens when when you don't interview somebody and
you hire somebody you know because you like him. I
think that's part of it, and that's hurting Mayo that
he was hired that way. And I think getting that
on the block, I'm getting that from everywhere and everywhere.

Speaker 5 (53:22):
Just like the specifically, like the game stuff like the
fourth down decisions. Bill got crucified for that because Bill
went from being very aggressive in the heyday to being
extremely conservative. You remember the amount of static he took
on that Thursday night game against Buffalo the year you know,
it was miserable year.

Speaker 3 (53:40):
It was the.

Speaker 5 (53:43):
It was the Thursday night game here and Buffalo had
like a twenty four to ten lead. It was Marcus
Jones had like a touchdown on the screen and that
was like the only offense and they weren't really even
trying to get back in the game, and people were
criticizing Bill for punting from midfield, for trying to lose
by a closer margin than the game. Actually, do you
remember that he was getting killed vaguely?

Speaker 11 (54:05):
I can't remember what I had for lunch, so I mean, you.

Speaker 3 (54:07):
Know, steak tips, chicken.

Speaker 5 (54:10):
I'm gonna guess dom Staate tips.

Speaker 8 (54:11):
I had to turn stak tips.

Speaker 5 (54:13):
But I think the fourth down stuff, they've gotten very
conservative late in Bill's tenure, and that sort of carried
over for me. Those are not all black and white.
As I said earlier. There's a couple that I would
have kicked the field goal today from the from the
two yard line. It was third and goal from the
two and Remandre got stuffed for no gain. If they

(54:34):
had gotten closer to the goal line, I would have
gone for the MIT crowd disagrees.

Speaker 11 (54:39):
I think he actually lost a couple of yards.

Speaker 5 (54:41):
Well, I think it was no gain. It was it
would stayed at the two. If they got a little closer,
I think I would have gone for it.

Speaker 3 (54:47):
That sequence of plays on an otherwise very good day
from Alex Van Pelton the offensive staff, that sequence of
plays had left a lot to be desired. I thought,
you know that they started first and goal from the five,
didn't they? Yeah, you're running back.

Speaker 5 (54:58):
Really you got to get it in the end zone there, Okay,
so you've got a power running back, I think you
got to get in.

Speaker 3 (55:03):
This is Anthony writing, and I think this is a
little odd, maybe given what happens today, but interesting to
hear the take. Nonetheless, Drake May is a real deal.
We can all agree on that. However, look at how
Stafford has not won but two elite level wide receivers
and how that impacts a team. You can't have wide
receivers like Douglas's not even turning around to look for
the ball, or again having key drops in this game.
Who do you see the team targeting and free agency
next season at the wide receiver position. Paul, you and

(55:25):
I are going to disagree. I'm not telling you that
the guy was Jerry Rice today, but I see something
in Booty that I understand why the coaches see something.
He's a little bit different body type than the other guys.
I'm not telling you that he's going to be your
lead receiver. I think you might have something with him.
He might be a decent third type of wide receiver.
He generally catches the ball. He had a bad drop today,

(55:47):
he blocked a little bit. There's something there with Booty.
I'll take your.

Speaker 5 (55:52):
Guys word for on the blocking. I don't I don't
care about my wide receivers.

Speaker 11 (55:55):
Block on your own time.

Speaker 3 (55:56):
Yeah, okay?

Speaker 5 (55:57):
He the last three now games, like they've caught on
to that they're going to take deep.

Speaker 3 (56:03):
Shots with him. Yeah, I'm not well about that. He's
blanketed now on those Yeah. I like the slant though,
I'd like, I'd like and they used to slant for.

Speaker 11 (56:11):
A bunch of give him credit for his way back
on the field because he was almost like written off.

Speaker 3 (56:16):
Yes, well, I give him.

Speaker 5 (56:17):
A lot of credit for resurrecting his NFL career. I
think a lot of people thought that he was going
to be done after that gambling scandal, and I give
him a lot of credit for for coming back from
that and making himself an NFL player. But I mean
Ford catches for thirty three yards with a huge drop,
like I can get anybody to the sun point.

Speaker 3 (56:37):
I can get anybody to do that. I actually didn't
think the wide receivers are the problem today, that's all.
I didn't think the wide receivers are the problem keeping
them all in the group.

Speaker 5 (56:44):
I thought that, but I judged them individually. I thought
Bourne was good, and I thought Douglas was good.

Speaker 11 (56:50):
Well, and I will I you know, I know we've
already harped on it. But I thought May was flawless
in the first half in terms of leading these guys
and making it easy for them to catch. I mean,
you didn't see any any of these catches having to
be like really athletic acrobatic catches. Every ball was precise,

(57:10):
and even the one that Booty dropped was right there perfect.

Speaker 5 (57:13):
It's the most conventional that they've looked offensive. Yeah, it
wasn't Drake made running around by a time like three years?

Speaker 3 (57:22):
Yeah, how about more.

Speaker 5 (57:23):
Maybe they haven't had a game offensively like that in
three years, probably Max year since Zappi.

Speaker 11 (57:30):
In year Max Mac never did anything close to the no, no, I'm.

Speaker 3 (57:34):
Just but probably does Zapi game. It looks conventional.

Speaker 8 (57:37):
That was it.

Speaker 5 (57:37):
Yeah, that was the last time they had like a
dangerous offense that looked.

Speaker 3 (57:41):
Really really productive.

Speaker 11 (57:42):
I would say, well, you know, I know it goes
back to Brady, but the garoppolo stretch that he had
when he first came in was about as efficient as
you could be as a quarterback, except that they were
It was all quick, rhythmic type of West Coast passes.
This was passes from all over the place, on the run,
on the move, under pressure from the pocket. He it

(58:07):
was the best first half of football that he's played
so far. As a Patriots.

Speaker 3 (58:10):
Well we said before he got down here, Fred, I
don't think there's any question this was his best game
as a Patriots.

Speaker 11 (58:14):
Yeah, you know.

Speaker 3 (58:15):
Now, does Austin Hooper get credit for the phrase he
throws me open? Or is that an old phrase that
one of those news schools.

Speaker 11 (58:22):
That's an old phrase football phrase throws me open?

Speaker 3 (58:25):
He threw people open today. I think you troll me
and Mike with those. Now, I know you know why
that phrase. I don't know that i'd heard that one.
I apologize.

Speaker 11 (58:33):
Quack quarterback needs to guys out.

Speaker 5 (58:36):
It's kind of what Fred's talking about, like, don't make
it difficult, Like there's a defender over there. I'm gonna
throw it, you know, a shade to the other side,
so he's going to catch it and avoid that hit.
At the same time. It's the anti hospital ball, correct.

Speaker 3 (58:50):
Nolan Germany writes, first of all, good greetings from Germany.
Even though we lost again, I feel pretty good about it.
I see some progress, especially with the defense, especially with
the defensive line. Jeremiah Farms is a bright spot. He
really is evolving nicely and bring some power to the interior.
Not to mention the best game of Drake so far,
there was some really nice throws, also seeing Kendrick with
some crucial catches like the one to end. All in

(59:11):
all that to see you guys, thanks for the work, No,
I would have to disagree.

Speaker 11 (59:16):
Disappointed we didn't hear in Gockway's name today.

Speaker 3 (59:19):
Yeah, he was out there.

Speaker 11 (59:20):
I know he was out there a little bit.

Speaker 5 (59:21):
They didn't get They didn't really get any pressure. A
couple of plays that they sold out to get pressure
and he beat it. They didn't really have much pressure.
Maybe that's I know that I'm a broken record and
I get that I'm stubborn and all that. But like
with scratches on it, it's the difference when you play
a quarterback that has some competence like Caleb Williams will
to be able to do that too. He's just not

(59:42):
ready to do that now. So instead of throwing the
ball last week, he was holding it and taking sacks.
It wasn't because they were just overwhelming everybody, like with
this immediate pressure. He just wasn't prepared to handle it.

Speaker 6 (59:55):
And it also wasn't the the backup tackle performance that
you saw last week where they played some backup guys
and they were able to take advantage of that line.
I mean, I think was the first first two third
downs that you felt like there was some pressure going on.
It felt like they carried things over from last week,
and then there just wasn't anybody winning, you know, straight
up one.

Speaker 5 (01:00:13):
That was a good point that Sarah made in the pregame,
Sarah when she talked about Sean McVay sort of kind
of second guessing himself by rushing those guys off of
ir back in last week, and he felt like, we're
going to go back of the guys that were playing
because we had something going.

Speaker 3 (01:00:32):
And that's what he I think he did today maybe
a sense from the fans of what they thought at
the end of the game. This is Jeff with a
G in Virginia who writes, is pop still running an
in Rhode Island yet without looking for the ball. I've
never seen a wide receiver do that. May is awesome
though future is bright.

Speaker 20 (01:00:47):
Well.

Speaker 6 (01:00:47):
I think Paul's point of maybe he thought he was
running just a clearing out route where he's not really
thinking he's getting targeted on the play and he's just
more trying to pull coverage with him. I mean, that's
look they just weren't on the same page, So I'm
not going to defend him or say that anybody was.

Speaker 11 (01:01:00):
Like, I don't know, but like in the Vince Ferragamo
school of quarterbacking, do they teach that you're supposed to
be able to know when your receiver is ready to
catch the ball. You should be able to see that
he's not looking at me. I'm not going to throw
him the ball, I mean, because I don't maybe has
some culpability here.

Speaker 5 (01:01:20):
Well, the only culpability that may could possibly have is
that Pop ran the right route and he threw it
in the wrong spot.

Speaker 3 (01:01:28):
Yeah, like you can't wait for a guy to be
looking completions.

Speaker 11 (01:01:32):
I know, but this was kind of like, look, this
was not your conventional play, I don't think.

Speaker 5 (01:01:39):
No, it's desperation right like you need it. It's like
Mike and I was saying, he's gonna throw one downfield,
Like you can't. You're not gonna dink and dunk your
way down the field in that situation.

Speaker 11 (01:01:46):
I'll be really curious curious to hear the answer to
that one.

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(01:02:16):
Hell are you good?

Speaker 21 (01:02:19):
So?

Speaker 22 (01:02:20):
Surprisingly, this is the happiest that I've probably felt after
a lot. Wow was Drake was phenomenal in my opinion,
his best game yet so far in his just short
term stan with his performance, I saw a stat that
he became the first quarterback since Tom Brady in twenty
nineteen they record one hundred yards and a touchdown in

(01:02:41):
the first quarter. So that's just off a bad quarterback
play that we've had in the coming years. I truly
believe that this, uh that you know, he could be.
He could have been better without the receiving drops and
of course defensive struggles on third down. But of course,
Matthew Stafford is you know, the great quarterback, veteran quarterback.
Uh you know, credit to him, uh still, uh, credit

(01:03:04):
that I want to give is a a VP deserves
serious praise for the play calling. It seemed like Drake
had lots of control and command of the offense. And uh,
I'm sure you guys agree that it seems like, you know,
we can definitely build off of this game, you know, offensively,
it seemed like we had an actual offense. Agree that,
I you know that we haven't had then in a

(01:03:25):
couple of years. Obviously we need more higher power. I
do think Booty and they're all good. And you know, Douglas,
you know, I love the offense, like for what we have.
You know, I think we're doing good for what we have,
but you know, it looks like a real offense. So
I was impressed. I was seeming what you guys think
we we can you know, build off to this.

Speaker 3 (01:03:44):
Well, Daniel, thank you for the convention. Offense is what
PFW Paul called it.

Speaker 11 (01:03:49):
Will rams game be the point where we can look back.

Speaker 3 (01:03:54):
And say they never lost again.

Speaker 11 (01:03:55):
This is the game where they showed that they they
can move the ball.

Speaker 5 (01:04:01):
As I said during the week, when you tried to
do this, it's not quite the same when you're playing
the four and five rims. Since instead of the defending
Super Bowl champs, did.

Speaker 3 (01:04:09):
Miami Beater Raiders say, I think they did okay, So Miami,
can I ask a question if the position now they're
gonna they're really fighting for their playoff lives now they.

Speaker 6 (01:04:16):
Think they're kind of matt I'll be the same thing next
week that you said that Miami's playing for a playoff position.

Speaker 3 (01:04:20):
This is a really dumb one. I'll be the judge
of that.

Speaker 5 (01:04:24):
Booty dropped the third down pass on the slant on
the first drive of the game.

Speaker 3 (01:04:28):
I don't remember another drop there was, and I just
I failed to write the person's name. I have another
Oh uh, you know why because are the only time
that he was targeted? Bell Yeah, that's the hands. Yeah,
and the guy knocked the ball right out.

Speaker 11 (01:04:44):
Again.

Speaker 5 (01:04:45):
I thought that guy raped it right out of the hands,
like Jonathan Jones on Pooka the Coola. I thought it
was very similar. That guy made a really good play.

Speaker 3 (01:04:51):
Men bun had I think Born with the drop on
another play where Born got absolutely was targeted five times and.

Speaker 8 (01:05:03):
Just to drop.

Speaker 5 (01:05:03):
I thought the guy, I know, I started seven times.
I thought that guy raped it out of his hands,
like just raked it right down.

Speaker 3 (01:05:13):
This is Andrea New Jersey rights. I love it when
Paul gives the refs the business. He's a beautiful and
I'm here for it.

Speaker 8 (01:05:20):
S team pep hand in.

Speaker 3 (01:05:22):
He rips it right out of him.

Speaker 5 (01:05:24):
I'm not saying it couldn't have been caught, but it's
like that's a past defense. It's like could have caught
at Jones knocked out.

Speaker 11 (01:05:33):
It's a drop that.

Speaker 3 (01:05:34):
Intriguing email from Jeffrey in Canada, who writes this is
my opinion, but I think I'm now convinced in the
debate between upgrading wide receiver or offensive line, it's the
offensive line that must take priority. I still want both,
but I think we're seeing that May can make decent
receivers look pretty good, but I can't survive from free
rushers coming off his blindside on a weekly basis. That said,

(01:05:57):
do you think May's play has reached a level that
free agents would be more open to coming into England
to play with them?

Speaker 8 (01:06:03):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (01:06:04):
I mean I've felt like that since the first time
I threw him throw the ball down.

Speaker 3 (01:06:07):
I say, now, whether a free agent comes into England
or not, don't you think they're gonna need to get paid.

Speaker 11 (01:06:12):
Yes, it's gonna come down to it comes down the money.
They got money, show me the money.

Speaker 3 (01:06:17):
Right, All right, let's check in.

Speaker 5 (01:06:20):
This is going to surprise you, Matt. What Fred convinced
me that the wide receiver is more important than the
offensive line this week? So if you're very compelling argument,
let's go, stunts me because I want.

Speaker 3 (01:06:33):
To hear it, because I would disagree right out of
the shoot. But let's go.

Speaker 11 (01:06:36):
All right, Well, okay, my contention is, I'm not saying
that you don't need to upgrade the offensive line. Agree,
But what I'm saying is, especially with a quarterback like
Drake May, give me five good linemen and Drake May
will make it an elite offensive line. You don't need

(01:06:57):
to spend assets on, you know, a high priced high
or high pick on you know, let's say a left
tackle and look for that one stud. I'd rather have
five good guys than one or two really good guys
in the rest bums, which which could happen. I'd rather
go for good play across the line. Now, I'm also

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assuming that I've got a decent offensive line coach. I
think that's important. But I give me five good good
linemen and you can get by in the NFL.

Speaker 5 (01:07:28):
And that's point where you don't need to get the
stud left tackle in the top ten. Right, you can
just get a good left tackle, maybe in the second
round in that Yet, it'll be okay if Fred really
made a compelling argument and convinced me, let's look at
that light.

Speaker 3 (01:07:45):
Happens.

Speaker 6 (01:07:46):
I know you still seem completely befunnled that you lost
an argument to friend.

Speaker 11 (01:07:49):
It's the first time in twenty years, well first time,
first time he's admitted it. But that's okay, Okay, that's
probably fair. I'll take my victory where I can, Okay,
But it's not even a matter of winning the argument.

Speaker 5 (01:08:01):
That's just how I feel like I'm being dead. Seriously,
I say, I didn't really think of it that way.
I've been very much. No, no, I don't want to
do it.

Speaker 3 (01:08:10):
I hate it. I hate having to do it.

Speaker 5 (01:08:11):
But they got to get a left tackle, I mean
they do, they don't.

Speaker 3 (01:08:16):
That's the whole point.

Speaker 11 (01:08:17):
Just just be competent at the position, you know, as
like Paul said, let's at least not get guys who
have never played the position before, which is what they
did this year.

Speaker 3 (01:08:26):
So there were eleven games in and you want competency. Okay,
we can agree that a whinnu even though he's been
kind of jerked around and admittedly has not had a
good year, but I'll keep he's a keeper.

Speaker 5 (01:08:36):
Okay, well you have no choice, Yeah, give it him
nineteen million dollars.

Speaker 3 (01:08:38):
Okay. I think the Darien Lowe has earned a spot
in the road. I'm looking spot as an offensive line Okay.
I don't want to say he's going to start.

Speaker 11 (01:08:45):
On the bench.

Speaker 3 (01:08:46):
Oh yeah, earned a roster spot. Yeah, I'm fine with yeah,
roster spot. Keep him around. I don't want him starting,
but I yeah. And then after that, I think it's
the whole The rest of the line is up in
the air, and what if anything can they determine in
the last house my math here six games? Can they
get anything out of Wallace? Can they get anything out
of Robinson? So they could at least say, well, these

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guys can play and are part of the future going
forward or not. My guess is they'd rather see city
so do something other than be able to lead fullback
on a short yarded situation. That that's you know, that's
kind of telling And I'd also like telling that that's
where he is.

Speaker 11 (01:09:22):
And I'd also like to get an objective opinion from
somebody on the inside as to whether or not Scott
Peters is a good offensive line coach because I don't know.
This is his first year doing it as the guy.
Maybe this is no, he's really good. Just give him
a little bit better talent. It's going to be fine, great, great,
But I think you need a good offensive line coach.

Speaker 3 (01:09:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:09:43):
I would look to just down the stretch here with
Trade Jacobs and if Kaid Wallace were to come back,
and if they make an effort to put him in
right tackle, I think it would just signal like we
don't really know if Trade Jacobs is going to have
any tackle. Well, yeah, I mean he has been a journeyman.
I mean, you know he's what he is. But he's
he's played there and he played.

Speaker 3 (01:10:02):
Okay, So are they going to try to get Wallet Brown?

Speaker 11 (01:10:07):
Who are you talking about Jacobs?

Speaker 3 (01:10:09):
Jacob's at right tackle?

Speaker 6 (01:10:10):
But I mean I think in a perfect world, you
come out of the season feeling like Kaid Wallace could
be your right tackle. So do they make an effort
to youth movement put him in?

Speaker 3 (01:10:18):
Why do a wide receiver? He's hurt?

Speaker 8 (01:10:21):
He's hurt?

Speaker 19 (01:10:22):
Right?

Speaker 20 (01:10:22):
Is he?

Speaker 13 (01:10:23):
Is he?

Speaker 12 (01:10:23):
On?

Speaker 11 (01:10:23):
Ir? Is he?

Speaker 8 (01:10:25):
I don't think he's on Iron.

Speaker 3 (01:10:26):
No, I don't think so.

Speaker 11 (01:10:27):
So how hard is he?

Speaker 3 (01:10:28):
What are we talking about? Wallace is on.

Speaker 5 (01:10:33):
Aii R for like eight weeks, He's been out for
a long time. Okay, But here's the thing is, I
don't think that you can figure out now about those
two guys.

Speaker 3 (01:10:42):
If they're no, you can't they can play.

Speaker 5 (01:10:44):
Yeah, they could play, and I think that would be
a positive step. And Mike and I have been on
this all year, like you need to get these two
guys in there. But you're not going to be able
to say, like, oh, we got this lockdown because he
plays the last six games.

Speaker 3 (01:10:58):
Are they part of the future or not? That's that's
the question.

Speaker 5 (01:11:01):
Well, they're going to be second year guys next year.
They're not going anywhere.

Speaker 3 (01:11:04):
Okay. Eight five to five Pats five hundred. Cameron from
North Carolina joins us next on the Patriots postgame show
presented by DraftKings. Good afternoon, Cameron, Hey guys, how you
doing great? How are you good?

Speaker 23 (01:11:17):
I want to start off by, you know, given Dreg
May obviously in a VP their credit. I really thought,
especially in the first half, I really thought the the
play calling in the creative I really thought van Pelt
was kind of in his bag with things. Things seemed
to really be flowing, seamlessly moving. The ball was excellent

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and it was definitely a positive thing to see. My
one question though, is really as far as the defense goes,
I know that you know, Nikula and Cooper Cup are
kind of a two headed monster. But as you guys
have kind of been covering throughout the week saying that,
you know, you guys felt like stuff was a little

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more washed, you know, due to injuries and age of course.
So that being said, why do you guys think that
you know, the switch at least in the second half.
I think it should have been all games. Why Gonzo
wasn't more on on Nakua. You know, I guess I

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understand the first half maybe being they had a game plan,
but then I think he torched Jones for over one
hundred yards in the first half.

Speaker 24 (01:12:27):
And and why why there.

Speaker 23 (01:12:29):
Was an adjustment made, uh, at least in the second half,
because there was some big third downs in Nikua had
in the second half, especially that third and three.

Speaker 11 (01:12:38):
Well, I can't think I heard a lot of that,
like why isn't Gonzo on Nikoua? But they were in
zone a lot, you know, and and.

Speaker 3 (01:12:46):
They all got beat a lot, right like this was.

Speaker 5 (01:12:49):
I know that the numbers were gonna probably come out
and he didn't get up any catches again today, but
there were guys open on every single play with everybody
around them and everybody like.

Speaker 3 (01:13:00):
This was a tough day. This was a tough day
for the second.

Speaker 11 (01:13:03):
I mean, was there anyone that Gonzo was on all
the time. I don't think so, right.

Speaker 3 (01:13:08):
Not that I saw, but I'm watching the TV copy.
I will say that a pregame topic about needing a
second cornerback really came to fruition. He didn't get any
pushback on that. Nope, no and no, and that it
it showed up in a big way today. And it's
no Kua and Cup this week. Next week it's Wattle

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and maybe even just even a bang Tyreek Hill is dangerous.

Speaker 11 (01:13:32):
The great thing about having May when it comes to
the draft is you don't need a quarterback, right. The
bad thing is you need everything else.

Speaker 5 (01:13:39):
And this is like, you know, yeah, we've been talking
for over an hour now and I could not possibly
disagree with anything positive that's been talked about with May
in the offense today. But this is an illustration of
why I believe that you need so much more. Offensively,
you had three hundred and eighty two yards. You controlled
the ball for almost forty minutes today you did everything

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you want. The quarterback couldn't have been any better. It
was thirty for forty for two eighty two. You scored
twenty two points.

Speaker 3 (01:14:07):
They need your left points on the field, painp Not really,
they need help. They need guys that can make plays.

Speaker 5 (01:14:14):
So when you get down in the red zone, like
Mike says, and it gets a little tougher, can we
get someone to make a play for him.

Speaker 11 (01:14:21):
You need play makers.

Speaker 3 (01:14:22):
They just don't have it. They just don't have any
Mark and Cheddar calling me out. So we want to
make sure we get that out there. Hey MATC, do
you have stock in Stevenson? You seem desperate to not
have him on the bad list. As Paul said, under
four yards per carrying a fumble has to be on
the bad list. Exclamation point. Next, you'll be saying that
Mayo shouldn't be on the bad list as his name
is a condiment you like. I actually don't like Mayo

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the condiment, but I digress. Keep up the great work.
That's Marked from Yeah, I'm not gonna put Mayo on
the bad list as well. And helmets, Uh, I believe
that what's the other?

Speaker 8 (01:14:56):
What's what?

Speaker 3 (01:14:57):
That's they're not the sponsor though, are they sponsor?

Speaker 5 (01:15:00):
Have a sponsor?

Speaker 11 (01:15:02):
A little side of.

Speaker 3 (01:15:04):
Spots Helmets and I just I let's agree to disagree. Mark.
I don't think Stevenson was enough to be bad, that's all.
I also said he wasn't enough to be.

Speaker 5 (01:15:15):
Good, so just out of curiosity, if like a ram
picked up the ball and ran into the end zone
with that had been enough to be bad. When he fumbled,
oh yeah, bad, Like I just don't. I think he
had opportunities to make plays and didn't make any today.
I've seen him much better he was today.

Speaker 3 (01:15:32):
Yeah, I think he ran hard in some places because
there wasn't a lot of room from the run.

Speaker 5 (01:15:36):
I'm talking about just opportunities with the ball in his
hands to make guys miss. There was a run that
he had today that looked like it was going to
be a big run and it was like ended up
like eight yards Like I was like whoa, Like the
whole the whole side part was coming right toward us, Matt, Remember,
I mean Mike Evan was was really high on that one. Listen,
he is what he is. Maybe I'm being too hard

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on him. He's not a make you miss kind of guys.
Maybe maybe I'm being too hard on and I think
he might be a horse. You need to hold onto
the ball and he doesn't.

Speaker 3 (01:16:06):
That's fair. That's fair. Are five fumbles miss games? Pat
from Agawam writes in actually good one here regarding Matthew Stafford,
I think he and McVeigh are probably the second best
coach quarterback combo in the league, behind only Mahomes and Reid.
My question for the panel, why do you think this
team has not been able to produce any kind of turnovers?
I can't. I can honestly not remember the last time

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they had one Week three? Question mark week four from
our friend Patt Naguab that would be troubling. They are
not producing any that's true.

Speaker 5 (01:16:38):
They're not a good defense.

Speaker 7 (01:16:39):
Yeah, they're not a good I mean they don't have
players that impact.

Speaker 11 (01:16:43):
Was the last I think what that tells you is
that teams that do produce turnovers it's not just luck.
You know, it's not just like sometimes it is. Sometimes
it's just bad plays. But if they do it a lot,
that's because they're forcing it.

Speaker 25 (01:16:59):
Well.

Speaker 5 (01:17:00):
Some of that, yeah, some of that is kind of cyclical,
Like you get the teams that sure, you know, get
a crap ton of turnovers and that is.

Speaker 3 (01:17:07):
A little luck.

Speaker 5 (01:17:08):
But there should be a baseline amount of like good defenses.
You know, they're in position, they're hitting hard opportunities, they're
opportunity to thing, and they're making some plays. The Patriots
have eight takeaways, I believe all season. That's an absurdly
low number.

Speaker 8 (01:17:25):
Yeah, that's correct. They're twenty fourth in the league. Eight takeaways,
twelve giveaways. They were negative four entering this game.

Speaker 3 (01:17:30):
Would you say twenty fourth in league and creating.

Speaker 6 (01:17:32):
Turnover twenty fourth that's just overall take in differential. Yeah,
but I just I point to the defensive front and
I think that's where a lot of these turnovers come.
There's guys, you know, in the front, who cause fumbles,
who get pressure on the.

Speaker 3 (01:17:45):
Quarterback, who forced hurried through.

Speaker 8 (01:17:47):
How many bad decisions that's.

Speaker 5 (01:17:50):
Nine, I believe, Yeah, not throwing.

Speaker 11 (01:17:54):
I mean how many have we six?

Speaker 3 (01:17:55):
Seven? I think they have seven?

Speaker 8 (01:17:57):
Right, so maybe one for six for May and one
for no.

Speaker 11 (01:18:01):
No, I'm talking about how many do we how much
does the defense have?

Speaker 3 (01:18:04):
Four?

Speaker 5 (01:18:04):
Take away four in I think they have four fumble
recoveries and four interceptions.

Speaker 11 (01:18:09):
Okay, four, that's low.

Speaker 3 (01:18:11):
Absurdly haways eight That alone is low, but Mike just
told you it's like twenty fourth in the league. That's
very low.

Speaker 11 (01:18:17):
But I mean just the picks alone is very low.
For right, very low, very low.

Speaker 3 (01:18:23):
Damian in Nottingham, England. Right, So, I thought this was
the first game since Brady that I didn't feel we
were out of it, and that is such a great feeling.
I think we need to target a true here we
go X in the draft is a list of wide
receiver one in free agents are not great. We can
pick up some good offensive line play and think we
need to spend draft capital on defense. That's Damian and Nottingham. Paul.

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Do you think they should be looking for an X
or a Z at the wide receiver position.

Speaker 5 (01:18:50):
Michael answered that Mike likes to talk about I want
a number one.

Speaker 11 (01:18:53):
I want a number get open and.

Speaker 3 (01:18:57):
Question. I want a number one who doesn't look.

Speaker 11 (01:18:59):
Like what letter you give him, Just get open and
catch it.

Speaker 3 (01:19:02):
Gauge from West Virginia is next on the Patriots postgame
show presented by DraftKings. Good Afternoon, Gauge.

Speaker 25 (01:19:10):
I got one big thing and it was Alex Van
Pelts play calling on that we were down like two
touchdowns and Randall ross three straight times.

Speaker 11 (01:19:21):
Oh yeah, it was like it.

Speaker 25 (01:19:25):
Didn't look good. I mean, I felt like we could
have passed because May was like five to five.

Speaker 3 (01:19:29):
Believe that's a first and goal at the five. Correct,
So they got to the five excellent drive and then
they stalled.

Speaker 11 (01:19:36):
Yeah, people were complaining a lot of too many first
down runs too.

Speaker 5 (01:19:39):
Just so you know, they threw the ball in the
first player on that. But you know, let don't let
the facts get no.

Speaker 25 (01:19:44):
It was we were down like a two touchdown and we.

Speaker 5 (01:19:47):
Were in so gor and he almost got picked off
on first out Number three dropped the pass in the
corner of the end zone right below us.

Speaker 25 (01:19:55):
Okay, we ran the lost two straight toms on that
one point because it was the play like they was
five or five or six or six, I can't remember,
and we were driving. We were driving. We were out
like the thirty three and we ran the ball three
straight times and only got it to fourth and two,
and he decided to pick a field goal.

Speaker 5 (01:20:16):
Now you we're confusing drives now, I mean which which
when they were down fifteen, they got down Matt's right,
they got down to the five yard line. They threw
the ball and the guy dropped a pick. Number three
had the ball in two hands and dropped.

Speaker 3 (01:20:31):
It covering Henry on the play correct.

Speaker 5 (01:20:34):
And the next player they ran Rimandre up up the
middle and he got to the two. Then they ran
them again and you got stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:20:41):
For no game.

Speaker 11 (01:20:42):
I think an earlier drive. But there was some complaints about.

Speaker 5 (01:20:49):
I would say, I don't understand why in hurry up
situations on second and one they insist on running the
ball together first. That's my only that would be my cut,
I know. But they certainly didn't run the ball multiple times.

Speaker 3 (01:21:01):
In a row when they were hurrying up at the
end of the game. Thank you for the phone called gage.
Alan Italy writes that he's not sharing the positivity. I
don't share your positivity before thinking of better players. We
need better coaches, proven coaches, is what al from Italy
has to say.

Speaker 6 (01:21:19):
It's a lot of my Twitter feed is saying as well.
Really a lot of very unhappy people.

Speaker 3 (01:21:23):
Yeah, okay, so let's menout the coaching. Where is the
in the pie of post game? Where is the pie
divided between excitement over Drake May and frustration with maybe
some of the decisions in game.

Speaker 6 (01:21:43):
I mean, I still lean towards May because I think
at the end of the day, as we as we've
argued many many times the quarterbacks.

Speaker 7 (01:21:49):
The key piece is that what the fans are saying
but not not these ones.

Speaker 6 (01:21:51):
But of course that's a you know, a sample size
from a certain social media outlet, So that's pedals and
negativity usually that's kind of how it goes with that.

Speaker 11 (01:21:59):
But I look, I I just feel today a little.

Speaker 6 (01:22:03):
Bit more, you know, frustrated with the defensive side of
the ball, and just it felt like the ram scheme.
You have a lot of respect for Sean McVay and
what he's able to do. I think it's just a
little a little bit frustrating, and this probably will be
something to think about over the next couple of days.
It's just you know, you went into that last Super
Bowl where this was this incredible scheme, and you know
you got something together to slow it down and to

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stop it, and and this week, you know, for a
number of reasons of course, they just had no answers
for this, these guys and the.

Speaker 7 (01:22:30):
Middle of the game.

Speaker 6 (01:22:31):
They started pretty well, they ended okay and gave their
team a chance, but in the middle they really didn't
do much to impact it.

Speaker 5 (01:22:36):
So my guess is this is the sequence that the
caller is talking about. This was on the last field
goal drive that they kicked the field goal to make
it twenty eight twenty two, So they had first and
ten from the rams twenty eight. They threw a six
yard pass to Booty. On second and four, they ran
Stevenson for three, and on third and one they ran

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Stevenson and got stuffed. So now it's fourth and one
and they're going to go for it. But that's when
Polk went off side. He had the false start, So
then they kicked the field goal. So they ran the
ball twice, not three times in a row.

Speaker 3 (01:23:11):
What was it down at distance? On second down second
and four?

Speaker 5 (01:23:14):
It was second and four, and then you third two
and then third and one.

Speaker 3 (01:23:17):
Okay, by the way, Paula don't carries.

Speaker 5 (01:23:19):
For four yards and couldn't get it.

Speaker 3 (01:23:22):
I just didn't want with the other team playing pass.

Speaker 5 (01:23:25):
Those are the kinds of opportunities that I'm talking about
when I've been a little critical. I think those are
those like I was joking with you Fred. The play
before the two minute warning, they did the Charlie Weiss,
We're gonna run it on the the play before the
two minute warning, Kevin Falk fifteen. Every time we get two. Yeah,
like there's there's open space there. You gotta you gotta
get in, you gotta make a play, Paulie.

Speaker 6 (01:23:47):
I just wanted to make sure I highlighted in the
postgame show the Marcus Jones on offense.

Speaker 7 (01:23:51):
You've been calling for that for.

Speaker 3 (01:23:53):
Five God, I should have included that in my av
six yard run. Five he had a five yard, five
yard run. I just like to see it. I think
he was coming on the field for another play, and
there was some situational thing that happened where he came
off the field, but he was going in for another
play on offense as well. Ian from Rochester, you're next
to the Patriots post game show. Hi, Ian, Hello, Ian?

(01:24:16):
Goodbye an is it Ian or Ian goodbye Iron. All right,
So here's what we're gonna do, Matt Lapan. Let's go
to the head coach Gerard Mayo.

Speaker 26 (01:24:23):
Please obviously, we'll always be disappointed, you know, walking out
of here with the loss. But before I got into
the football stuff, hopefully you guys have seen these pins
that all the guys are wearing, and we all were
out there representing a fallen hero, a fallen soldier, which
I think is important. I think the TAPS program they
do a great job. We'll support these guys as long

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as I'm here, We'll continue to support them. And today
I was representing Army Sergeant first Class Daniel Ferguson, known
as Danny to his friends and his family, and really
gave the ultimate sacrifice for our safety, so today would
have been his birthday. Pretty tough situation, you know, especially
coming from a military family. I can't imagine, you know,

(01:25:09):
suffering a loss like that. But I think the TAPS
program is a great program. Kind of what I told
the guys in the locker room, felt like I never
really felt like they had control of the game. I
felt like we had control of the game. You look
at the first half, I think we only had one
three and out Offensively, I thought they did a great
job on first and second down, which was one of

(01:25:29):
the targets that we talked about defensively, not so much defensively.
They only had what eight third downs in the game,
and you just can't win that way. When you look
at the time of possession, you look at the movement
we were able to get offensively in the run game,
and in the past game, you look at the time
of possession. I mean, that's that's part of the formula.
We just got to continue to build on it. We'll say.

(01:25:51):
The guys you know, came out with energy and even
when our backs were against the wall, they still continue
to play hard, which I definitely appreciate. I know the
rest of the coaches and hopefully the fans appreciate it
as well. Are playing hard.

Speaker 4 (01:26:02):
Now.

Speaker 26 (01:26:02):
Do we need to get better? Absolutely, And that's my
job as the head coach of this football team.

Speaker 2 (01:26:06):
I have to do it.

Speaker 26 (01:26:07):
Starts with me. I have to do better, but demand
more from our assistant coaches, but demand more from our players.
We have enough talent. We have enough talent in our
locker room to be a very good football team. We
just got to be able to put it together.

Speaker 8 (01:26:20):
A couple of.

Speaker 26 (01:26:21):
Situations that came up. I'm sure that's going to be
part of you know, part of the discussion you know,
the fourth and two elected to kick a field goal.
If it was fourth and one, probably probably went for it,
but it made it a one score game. And then
the Seattle situation showed up again. And I would say this,
every game is unique, it's one of one, and I

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just felt like when I made those choices, it was
the best thing to do for our football team today. Uh,
Like I said, proud of the way those guys competed.
Just got to clean up a few things.

Speaker 27 (01:26:54):
With what you just said and with how hard they played,
how much do you maybe kind of look at this
one as a team you are facing had key veterans
at the position Stafford and Nkoua and Cup and knew
how to make plays when they needed to make plays,
compared to you guys just battling and trying to learn.

Speaker 26 (01:27:08):
Yeah, you know, it's it's part of it. And look,
you win or you learn. That has to be our mindset.
Like it would be a huge disservice if we don't
learn anything from this game. But that's a good football
team that we played today. But at the same time,
I feel like we had our opportunities.

Speaker 5 (01:27:25):
Trod. I'm just curious what you saw on that final
play where Drake was intercepted.

Speaker 28 (01:27:30):
Just kind of what went wrong there.

Speaker 26 (01:27:33):
Just miscommunication, which going back to the question earlier, you know,
you go back and look at the Rams versus the
Seahawks and those guys making those plays down the stretch.
You know, it's very impressive. And look, we'll grow into
being able to finish out and finish, finish and close
out these games. Just got to go back, go back
to work, get on the practice field tomorrow. We'll clean
up a lot of this stuff. And then Wednesday has

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changed the page onto the next game.

Speaker 20 (01:27:55):
You're right drawed up. Puka Nuku and Cooper kopp All
both went for over one hundred yards. Christian was just
talking about how the game plan was for him to
play in the boundary. Looked like the Rams were able
to stay away from him. Do you regret the decision
to not have him shadow one of those guys or
to adjust Quicker.

Speaker 26 (01:28:11):
I mean, look, you know Cup had the one reception,
which was a huge chunk of those yards. Look, going
into the game, we have a plan, and we're always
willing to change that plan. Like I said earlier, I
felt like, you know, we're gonna be okay. I thought
we could outlast him.

Speaker 29 (01:28:26):
Gerd, you were talking about some of the game decisions
when you guys went up having nothing second quarter early.
I think it was like a fifty four yard field
goal for Joey but ended up punting on that one.
Is that the one that were you talking about or
is that the different one?

Speaker 26 (01:28:43):
No, that's that's a different one I was talking about.
I was talking about the fourth and goal on the two,
got it making that a one score game, and then
and then really you know, the extra point versus the
two point conversions always the conversation. I will say, Look,
anytime you get a kick block too, it's not a
it's not a very good.

Speaker 29 (01:28:59):
Day on that fifty four yard or what was it
about that decision that you didn't want to go fifty
four yard and ended up punting.

Speaker 26 (01:29:07):
There are a lot of different factors that we take
into account. You know, talk about win, we talk about
you know, the pregame warm up. You can kind of
see how the kicks are going on both sides during
the pregame warm ups, and I just felt like that
was the right decision to.

Speaker 2 (01:29:18):
Make draw out with the punt, with that pund with
the fourth and two which the fans clearly were not
happy with. Do you think you're coaching to win or
do you think you're coaching to win?

Speaker 26 (01:29:28):
I'm always coaching to win. Look, every decision that make
won't always be the popular one, and that's part of
this job.

Speaker 21 (01:29:35):
Drod.

Speaker 9 (01:29:35):
What do you think is preventing Jalen Polk and Javon
Baker from having larger roles within the offense.

Speaker 26 (01:29:42):
Look, I think it's important to remember, like those guys
are rookies, and you know, sometimes the expectations that they're
just going to come in here and and be all pros,
that's not it. Those guys they work every day and
at some point they'll hit an inflection point where they
could help our team win.

Speaker 21 (01:29:56):
Uh Girad tackle eligible play to Vederian in the end zone.
What ended up giving you confidence that Vederian's gonna be
able to make that play? Do you put them on
the drugs machine and practice.

Speaker 26 (01:30:07):
Or no jugs machines for him? But it was just
something that we worked on in practice, and anytime you
see special plays like that, Look, we got to see
it multiple times. It's not like you run it one
time in practice and you feel good about it.

Speaker 8 (01:30:18):
So he's caught.

Speaker 26 (01:30:19):
He caught three balls in practice, so I felt pretty
good about it.

Speaker 29 (01:30:24):
Hey, coach, you have a three pre stient follows offensively
which costs your points.

Speaker 28 (01:30:28):
To wonder you were thought about that.

Speaker 26 (01:30:30):
If there's a message to the team, Yeah, the message is, look,
we can't go backwards. I don't care how good the
team is, you never want to go backwards, and that
that definitely hurts us.

Speaker 28 (01:30:40):
Drawed from from your perspective, Obviously the team is competitive
right now. But what are maybe one or two things
that you feel are keeping you from winning these types
of games, whether it's from a decision making standpoint as
a coach or overall as a group, And how do
you get to a place where it's better.

Speaker 26 (01:30:57):
Overall as a group? Is just consistency, That's what it is.
A down after down basis question. Dro I just want
to ask about Christian's day. Would you think of it overall?

Speaker 11 (01:31:08):
Bar More?

Speaker 26 (01:31:10):
Yeah, you know, I'm not sure what the final snap
count was, but it was good just to see him
back out there. You know, obviously he's a disruptive presence,
but today with anyone linebackers defensive front like we didn't
I don't think we had any negative, you know, tackle
for loss or anything like that, but it was good
to have him out there. And you know, first and
foremost player safety is important, and I know he's.

Speaker 10 (01:31:32):
Try Just going back to the decision to keep Christian
of the boundary. I know he had a lot of
success in Chicago. You guys basically running the same idea
as the game progresses here and they're scoring with Kupp
and Nakuah, what was the logic behind keeping him in
the boundary versus mixing that up a little bit more.

Speaker 26 (01:31:45):
Yeah, I just thought that was the best thing to do.
And it's a mix of man in his own so
we thought that was the best thing to do.

Speaker 8 (01:31:51):
Thanks.

Speaker 3 (01:31:54):
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guys learn from the Mayo presser?

Speaker 11 (01:32:29):
Wally explain, The last play is miscommunication, So that could
be a lot of different things, right, Yeah, not sure.

Speaker 5 (01:32:38):
What that means, but yeah, that's kind of what we thought,
but we just don't know who miscommunicated with who? Right, right,
I would say what we talked about with the pregame,
which always sly factored into yeah, foregoing a fifty five
yard field goal on that play in the first half,
which if he was struggling going in that direction in

(01:32:58):
the pregame, that that's that's good coaching.

Speaker 11 (01:33:00):
Yeah, I think, yeah, you got to take into consideration
all that's why you do those warm ups. And how
many times you know, have we seen Mike Reese you
know note chart them, Yes, exactly. There's a reason why it.

Speaker 3 (01:33:13):
Must have been.

Speaker 5 (01:33:14):
This one must have been pretty egregious because everybody tweeted
about it.

Speaker 3 (01:33:18):
Yeah, right, And so these in the moment experts, your
brothers and sisters up there in the press box, who
are killing Mayo at the time for doing this. Did
they not watch the pregame?

Speaker 5 (01:33:29):
It was on that one everybody was citing the reason
why Mayo probably gave passed up that field.

Speaker 3 (01:33:36):
Somebody who asked a question here who I know, was
killing him on Twitter again. And his whole reason is
he believes Gerard's coaching scared. He said it at the time,
he said in the press conference.

Speaker 5 (01:33:46):
And yeah, I don't know what she's talking about, passing
up a fifty five yard field goal.

Speaker 3 (01:33:50):
I was coaching scared.

Speaker 5 (01:33:51):
He's talking about I'll show it you from the goal
line on the two. Like that's what he's That's what
ben terrible question right to your point, I mean, when
you don't have to bug it down in semantics. But
I think the fifty five yard field goal. I saw
Mark Daniels, I saw Mike Reese, I saw I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:34:08):
Know about Mike Greese.

Speaker 5 (01:34:09):
I saw Mark Daniels, I saw Doug Kide, and I
saw Chris Mason. All mention the struggles in pregame yep
as probably factoring into why he didn't kick that field.

Speaker 11 (01:34:19):
It's, you know, like if you're looking for a fight,
that's the kind of question you ask. He's very accusatory.
What coach is going to be like, Yeah, you know,
I'm really not I thought that.

Speaker 3 (01:34:28):
Was an unprofessional question. Thank you, Borgie against Pete Carroll
back of the day, Paul, I know you remember that.
Speaking of Paul, this is from Ellen, Wisconsin. After this
many years of listening to the postgame show, it's surprising
when something new becomes one of my favorite parts. But
here we are the utter disdain in Paul's voice when
Matt or Fred put someone on the good list quote

(01:34:49):
because they tried super hard. End quote is great every time.
Keep it up, Paul.

Speaker 5 (01:34:56):
Yeah, I'm not a big everybody gets a trophy guy.
That's that's that's another very accurate.

Speaker 3 (01:35:00):
Right, And I don't think that Fred and I everybody
gets a trophy.

Speaker 11 (01:35:02):
I'm just happy for Christian Barmore. I mean, I may
way some people want to scot that.

Speaker 3 (01:35:07):
I'm very happy for him too. We spent okay, he's
really good, Fred.

Speaker 11 (01:35:11):
Yeah, no, he didn't get a sack. I'm sorry.

Speaker 8 (01:35:13):
We'll then forget it.

Speaker 3 (01:35:13):
But he didn't do anything.

Speaker 5 (01:35:15):
No, he's on the field, and we'd spent two hours
talking about how positive that was.

Speaker 11 (01:35:20):
Right, and I saw him bul rush a couple of
guys early.

Speaker 7 (01:35:23):
They got you guys boxed up right now, That means
they want a little box.

Speaker 3 (01:35:26):
Could both things be right here. It's a positive moment
the team to get a guy who you thought I
might not play this year back in the lineup. It
also might be true that in his limited work he
didn't really flash.

Speaker 5 (01:35:38):
No, no, I don't really like to me, I would
agree with Fred that it's how he played his secondary
that he played it because the story is what DeMarcus
Covington said on Thursday, correct the field. It's it's a
great development that I think we can all agree on.

Speaker 13 (01:35:52):
You.

Speaker 5 (01:35:52):
But like when we're talking about the game, this is
like I last week I had Drake May on my
bad list. If I'm gonna like be really fair and say, well,
Jeseu's playing his fifth career game, it wasn't that bad.
That's probably true. I don't That's not how I judge it.
I'm judging Christian Barmore now as the player, do you
know what I'm saying. I'm judging him as the player,

(01:36:13):
not as like, well, he just came back after a
whole season of inactivity. But the development is over the top.

Speaker 3 (01:36:20):
Positive. It's absolutely right, John from south Beat You next
from the Patriots postgame show presented by Draft kings Hi.

Speaker 24 (01:36:25):
John, out of everyone, I have some most things I
want to talk about, but since we're arguing about the
good list, I would put demandre Stevenson on the good
list if he made it into the end zone on
that two three yard run or whatever. I feel like
that would put him just a little bit over for
me and landed him on the good list to fight

(01:36:47):
about something that everyone was fighting about, you know, an
hour and a half ago. I don't think Kayshaun Bouti
is a special player. I don't think he's like, you know,
better than your average veteran. I think you could cut
him at the end of this year and replace him
with somebody and get better production. Though you know, not
to be a total jerk about it, I will say

(01:37:09):
I'm surprised with how well he's played this year relative
to what I expected. And lastly, here, Matt, you know,
you start to grow on me. I love my boy Hardy,
but I'm glad you're part of the team, and I'm
very pleased that you did not call it the nice
list this week, because that was a small thing that

(01:37:29):
was starting to me, what.

Speaker 8 (01:37:32):
What is it?

Speaker 3 (01:37:33):
Okay? Thanks the nice list, the nice Oh, the nice list.
You know it's a it's a good We're getting close
to the Christmas holidays. John, my apologize of going naughty
or nice, but you know that's fair. I appreciate the shout.
Good job, John.

Speaker 11 (01:37:47):
Matt likes to make up for things.

Speaker 3 (01:37:49):
There you go, he does, all right, Colin and Seattle
wants to know Matt mentioned special teams gaffes. I'm curious
you've all had any thoughts on and I thought about
this at the time, so good for you, Colin. On
any thought on not making the Rams punt again after
the illegal formation penalty on their last drive. I really
think any opportunity to get the ball in Marcus Jones
Hans is one you have to take advantage of, speaking

(01:38:10):
of which I'm glad to see you got a snap
on offense today, which is something you all been calling for. Yeah,
good shout by Colin. I did.

Speaker 5 (01:38:18):
They took the five and they put the ball on
the ten yard line. Now, not for the reason that
the the emailer is saying, because I don't think you
have a realistic shot of a punt return on that
situation because it was it was a plus fifty points.

Speaker 3 (01:38:30):
But I would have.

Speaker 5 (01:38:31):
Made them rekick it because maybe he kicks it in
the end zone, like he got a really good kickoff
the first time and he got down.

Speaker 3 (01:38:37):
At the five yard line. It sounded they took the
five yards to go to the tent.

Speaker 11 (01:38:41):
It sounds like to me that they didn't have a choice.

Speaker 3 (01:38:43):
They did they well, I mean, I don't know.

Speaker 11 (01:38:45):
The ref immediately said that the yards will be tacked on.

Speaker 3 (01:38:48):
He said that they've chosen to I didn't hear the
word choice.

Speaker 5 (01:38:52):
I mean, okay, if they didn't have a choice, they
didn't have maybe you're right, but I didn't mean.

Speaker 3 (01:38:56):
I don't As a pool reporter.

Speaker 5 (01:38:57):
You know, you could ask the Yeah, I think it's
worth It wasn't It definitely wasn't worth A Eldred from
North Carolina, I would have to mind.

Speaker 3 (01:39:06):
Yeah, I don't have the money on the game. It
sounded to me.

Speaker 11 (01:39:11):
Like it was a done deal, like there was no choice.
You're just gonna add attack these yards.

Speaker 5 (01:39:15):
I thought he said they've chosen.

Speaker 11 (01:39:17):
Maybe, but it might be right.

Speaker 5 (01:39:18):
But if they didn't have a choice, then it's a
move point.

Speaker 8 (01:39:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:39:21):
Good afternoon, Eldred.

Speaker 30 (01:39:24):
Great, I didn't get to see the game because what
come on sports? And I love though and what.

Speaker 11 (01:39:35):
He's been doing it for twenty.

Speaker 30 (01:39:38):
Yeah they haven't. They had me cracking up. But that
played it that uh that may throw to uh to
the wide receiver. If he went down the field, he
should have called it.

Speaker 22 (01:39:49):
He wasn't looking back popped.

Speaker 3 (01:39:52):
I would like to know.

Speaker 5 (01:39:53):
That's my guess, is Matt nails this one coming right
out of the shoot. I think he's supposed to be
looking there and that's the the soft spot in that
that zone is underneath. Now I'm not saying if he
was looking, he would have been able to make the play.
They're all reacting to the ball, not the player.

Speaker 3 (01:40:10):
But he was not looking. Wasn't looking? Is it possible
both things could be right? That the wide receiver should
have been looking.

Speaker 5 (01:40:20):
I don't think he sailed it. I think he put
it right where where Douglas ran through. Now maybe I'm
being an apologist for Drake May, but I think he
put it right in that area.

Speaker 11 (01:40:31):
Yeah, it was so egregious that it had to be
a miscommunication.

Speaker 3 (01:40:35):
I just would like to know there was a decent
pocket thread so It wasn't like he was rushing it.
He had time on the play. Go ahead, Elder, you
had one more question?

Speaker 11 (01:40:43):
Sorry, yeah, one more question.

Speaker 30 (01:40:45):
But I know I want the other other collar Booty
surprised me, but I'm not goodybody else. We need a
top dog. I don't care how you need to. I
know we don't get nobody this year. Well maybe two
and Jylem Pope. I hope next year he gets his
head right, but right this year, I don't write him
off for a little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:41:04):
I'm not gonna ride. I'm going to Yeah, thanks for
the call, Eldrids. We appreciate that. Okay. Patriots lose today
twenty eight twenty two to the lost of Los Angeles Rams,
as you would say. But the highlight of the loss,
what a lot of people are gushing about, is the
play of Drake May. Let's listen to Drake May after
the game.

Speaker 27 (01:41:22):
Please, Drake just uh, you know, to undred eighty two
yards a couple of touchdowns. But I'm sure for you, uh,
the loss and the two turnovers are gonna eat at
you a little bit. Just lessons learned in this one.
When you when you look back on.

Speaker 19 (01:41:39):
It, yeah, it can't hurt our defense. You know, on
the fumble third down, you know, gotta get the ball out.
Can't take a sack there. You know, take the same
thing I'll talk about in the previous compress conference, you know, punt,
you know, the the driver of the kick. Coach Mail
preaches that end, every driver of the kick. And then
I thought it were just some good things. But then
day just it wasn't good enough.

Speaker 20 (01:42:01):
Drake over here on your far right, uh, Rod Mayo
said that the interception at the end was a miscommunication.
Can you take us play through what happened on that play?

Speaker 19 (01:42:09):
Yeah, it's too high look and it pops up the
up the middle, and you know they're pretty good up
front rushing five. So I'll try to you know, kind
of you know, put it on them and kind of
hit him over the linebacker. And you know, Pop was
thinking probably you know deep. But at the end of
the day, just gotta be on the same page. And
I think, Pop, you know, do the right thing. I
guess gotta. You'll just talk through more conversations and just

(01:42:30):
goes back to me during the week doing more, you know,
talking to different situations. Hey, I may you'll put this
one on your birth, let it rip.

Speaker 4 (01:42:36):
So it's about it, right, Drek.

Speaker 28 (01:42:39):
It feels like each week you get a little bit
better and there's a little more growth. Where do you
see the areas of growth being this week? And I
also speak to the third and short situations and getting
into your third and short with games on first and
second half.

Speaker 19 (01:42:52):
Yeah, I think this week just just scrambling to be
a passer. I think, you know, taking off so early
and you know, just talking to the football, being scrambler,
you know, to throw the gall downfield. And we got
a good players downfield. I thought I made good decisions
and just the last reception. But I think a week
to week, I think we're getting better. You know, proble
of those guys up front from for battling and uh,

(01:43:12):
you're able to run the football pretty good times today.
Just little things that I think, you know, down there
in the red zone, we got to capitalize.

Speaker 2 (01:43:19):
On, hey, drag fourth and two down near the goal line.
Obviously fourth and goal with the two, did you have
any input over whether to go for it on fourth down?
And you guys wish do you wish that you had
gone for it?

Speaker 21 (01:43:32):
Yeah?

Speaker 19 (01:43:32):
I think it's easy to look back and you know,
wish we would have done you know this or that,
but I think you know that was to make it
a you know, one score game. So you know, we're
gonna hang our hat on the you know what the
coaches want to do. And I think I wouldn't you know,
disagree with that. We've got a good defense and we're
proud of our defense, and we think our defense a good,
you know, good unit. So at the end of the

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they just you know, made more plays than we did.

Speaker 25 (01:43:55):
Far, right, Hi, Drake, Kendrick Bourne no snaps last week,
but this week he's got seventy two yards and a touchdown.

Speaker 7 (01:44:03):
What did you see from him?

Speaker 26 (01:44:04):
What was different about his attitude this week?

Speaker 8 (01:44:06):
Yeah?

Speaker 19 (01:44:06):
I think his attitude was always the same. You okay,
but he's got no great energy and that's the one
thing about him. He uh hen come in you know,
day and day out with a smile on his face,
and I think just testament to him for you know,
not getting you know, probably he wanted last week and
coming out here and make us a big place for us.

Speaker 6 (01:44:21):
Drake obviously have a ton on your plate for yourself
in a game like this, But do you watch Matthew
Stafford do his thing. You obviously had a great game today,
and did you get a chance to speak with him
after the game.

Speaker 19 (01:44:31):
You have no doubt, you know, grew up. You know
a big fan. You know Matthew Jafferdan still fan. You
know over there on the sideline you used to watching
them on thanksgivet the line is always played on Thanksgiving,
you know, thanks to being coming up. So I you know,
through the football sadly pretty well today and cool to
watch and just glad to meet me after the game.
And it's almost a big fan.

Speaker 21 (01:44:53):
H throw a lot of passes to guys over three
hundred pounds in your career in the end zone. Throw
a lot of passes to guys over three hundred pounds
in your career.

Speaker 3 (01:44:59):
Yes, first one.

Speaker 19 (01:45:00):
I'm proud of v Low. And I think you have
some trickery. I think that kind of gets lost in
the NFL. You have some trickery, misdirection, well, things like that.
I think you fool these You fool these guys.

Speaker 2 (01:45:11):
In the end zone.

Speaker 21 (01:45:12):
Got a good hands for a big guy.

Speaker 19 (01:45:13):
Yeah, good hands. He caught them all week. So I
try to give him a nice pass. I think hopefully
my mom probably could have caught it.

Speaker 9 (01:45:23):
Drake, what do you do or what do you say
to Jale and Polk as he kind of struggles to
find some consistency right now.

Speaker 19 (01:45:29):
Yeah, I think just just just keep going. I think,
you know, he's gonna be a great player in this league.
He's a rookie I like myself, and we're gonna have
some good some good games on the Patriots together. So
looking forward to keep him going. And I think he's
getting you know, thrown in there at different times and
throwing there to block some so he think he's got
to pick up some little things. But you know, he's
a great player. I need to, you know, find a
way to get into football.

Speaker 3 (01:45:50):
Drake.

Speaker 31 (01:45:50):
On that false start penalty at the end of the
game there, I think it was your last or your
second last drive. It looked like you were sort of
going down the line of scrimmage to try to communicate something.
How difficult was it to get everything communicated the way
you wanted?

Speaker 11 (01:46:03):
Was noise a factor down there?

Speaker 8 (01:46:05):
What happened on that play?

Speaker 19 (01:46:06):
Yeah, I think the play clock was running down, you know,
just trying to you know, do different things and can
get guys lined up. Yeah, but just unfortunate, uh that
we had to take a time out there and really
false start, you know, so kicks us back and keep
the field goal. So he had just unfortunate.

Speaker 4 (01:46:23):
Question, Hey, Drake, over the course of your starting experience,
do you feel like the playbook has expanded? There's more
variety of it if you get in the sense that
you guys can do more things now I'm even like
today the past distribution seemed like early on a lot
of different people were involved throughout the game.

Speaker 19 (01:46:41):
Do you feel like it's expanded for you? I think
it's a testament of this offense, you know. I think
you know, in TC in the quarterback room of you know,
teaching us say different looks, different guys. I think, you know, uh,
it's predict as. I think it's one of the strengths
of having a lot of different guys that can make place.
They gotta guard everybody, And it goes back to me
trying to get people involved, you know, like getting a punch,
different people involved, and I think just you know, playing football,

(01:47:02):
playing good football and you know, making the right read
and being on time. There's a testament this offense and
the a VP runs of you know what it can do.

Speaker 29 (01:47:10):
That's question Alex Park, Drake, it looked like you made
a couple of anticipation throws onund Henry today.

Speaker 4 (01:47:15):
How far would you say your chemistry has come with
him since training camp?

Speaker 19 (01:47:20):
Yeah, I think, you know, he's a baller. I remember,
you know, times in training camp, times I wasn't there
with them. I think I remember I had a rack
of four and seven on seven then I think I
threw it to him maybe all four times or three
of the times. You know, I'm trying to find eighty five.
You I think he's a you know, one of the
best tight ends in this league. And I think him
and Hoop and you know those those are two great
players for us. I think they know, weekend and week out,

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you know, block their butts off in the run game
and and make plays for us. So proud, you know,
eighty five and eighty one. I think we're gonna have
some guys out, you know, else in that room that
are gonna step up. So think of it.

Speaker 3 (01:47:51):
That's your quarterback, Drake May after the best game of
his NFL career. I tell you what, I don't know
that he ever says anything, but I think the way
he says that he gets it well. He gets it.

Speaker 11 (01:48:02):
I think I think we learned who probably should have
been looking for the ball on that last play.

Speaker 8 (01:48:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:48:08):
Yeah, but he said it in a way, but he
took the blame.

Speaker 3 (01:48:11):
He took the blame, right. I love that. Yeah, I
think that's I think that's important to not be like
Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 7 (01:48:16):
Ye, yeah, right, it's important to not be Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 3 (01:48:20):
So real quick.

Speaker 5 (01:48:21):
I just I got a text from Don uh our
buddy Don Maxon, who said that he went back and
watched and they did not say that they chose to
take the penalty. That phrase was not used, so maybe
it was automatic which illegal formation?

Speaker 3 (01:48:36):
Job Maxon helping us out.

Speaker 15 (01:48:37):
I've been back and making rekick it.

Speaker 3 (01:48:39):
Sure that was a nice kick.

Speaker 26 (01:48:40):
Quigal formation kicking team number forty eight was not on
the line of scrimmage five yard penalty will.

Speaker 11 (01:48:45):
Be at it right to the dead ball spot. So
maybe there wasn't kick or maybe they already had done that.

Speaker 3 (01:48:50):
I don't know, he just didn't say it. Yeah, great
job communicating the penalty. I think by the referees there
in that situation too, really good job.

Speaker 5 (01:48:58):
Because I do think if they had an option, I
think it would have been in their best interest to
have him rekicked because it was a good punt. It
was caught at the five yard line. So maybe the
next one he you know, earlier in the game he
had a twenty yarder then went out of bounce at
the twenty three. Maybe he does that again, or maybe
he just pops it in the end zone.

Speaker 7 (01:49:17):
Anytime you can just make them have to handle it.

Speaker 11 (01:49:19):
It was a topic of discussion on the blog for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:49:23):
All right, and we're gonna wrap things up, Paul and
h and Fred. You'll enjoy this one. This comes from
Brian on Cape Caught Brian, gentlemen and Paul. He begins
this with I just wanted to tell you that you
guys are by far the best post game show, and
it's not even close. I was leaving the Cape and

(01:49:44):
it's almost impossible to get a good postgame discussion about
what actually happened in the game from a football standpoint
on the traditional radio stations.

Speaker 2 (01:49:51):
I e.

Speaker 3 (01:49:52):
Paul chose you guys discuss plays it happened, breakdown aspects
of the game. It's outstanding and thank you for doing that.
It's enjoyable. I don't get to listen frequently, but if
in my car it's your postgame show or none, and
the defender rake the ball free from bell. Paul is
right on that one. Give the guy credit for making
a good defense. Play could have been held but not
a drop watching Chiefs Bills now, but wanted to send

(01:50:14):
you that note. Keep it up, boys, Brian with the
y from Cape call.

Speaker 11 (01:50:17):
Thank We also have to give a lot of credit
to our back room staff because when we talk about plays, Bangs.

Speaker 3 (01:50:24):
Christ, Judge, Josh, Athony, Marino, guys are on.

Speaker 11 (01:50:29):
That really helps because then I can prove Paul wrong.

Speaker 32 (01:50:32):
We're talking, by the way, case my friend and Marie
he's But let's also give credit to matt Ian Matt
who then say to Chris, I, Josh, can you get
that place so Fred can prove wrong. Well, the perfect
for this show, and I know obviously it was a
much more high profile play. But when I walked in,
Matt is immediately talking about Douglas's not looking and I

(01:50:54):
hadn't seen the replay, and they had immediately three four
different looks at it, different angles. Replays really told the
whole picture.

Speaker 3 (01:51:03):
Well, if we're gonna go behind the curtain, to me,
the better part of that is I come in first,
because I'm just right down here in my office. I
sit down and Matt goes, all right, we're ready to go.
I said, right, so we're going to wait for Paul
and he goes, yeah, you're flying solo fan. It was
a hearty open.

Speaker 11 (01:51:18):
They don't tell you when to start the show. You
tell them when.

Speaker 5 (01:51:21):
We start immediately on the show. Just remember that. No,
we we like to get it started. Hardy used to
do that. We had started on times like literally a
minute and I was here, how old.

Speaker 3 (01:51:32):
Did you have to swim for now you're treadwater? A
little twenty five minutes? Yeah, just rambling on.

Speaker 13 (01:51:38):
That.

Speaker 3 (01:51:39):
Yeah, Paul was stuck in. I would have come in.
He would look like Alvin Brooks with.

Speaker 11 (01:51:42):
The so during training camps some like in the past,
sometimes I'd have to open the show and they'd be
late because they're coming from practice, and I would use
it to give my own model. They would come in
in the middle of me, you know, preaching to the
Did you have your camera? Oh yeah I had one.

Speaker 3 (01:51:58):
You had your one. They need them, they need their
need their friends.

Speaker 5 (01:52:02):
In all seriousness, I don't need to sound like corny
and like Patriots Sunshiny Dot comy, but like, this is
a whole different feeling for me. Like they have offense,
they have a quarterback that can generate offense.

Speaker 3 (01:52:14):
It's so different.

Speaker 11 (01:52:15):
At the end of the day, all they needed was
a touchdown an extra point.

Speaker 3 (01:52:18):
You felt they might get it, Yeah, oh, I thought
you might get it.

Speaker 8 (01:52:21):
But there was a.

Speaker 3 (01:52:21):
Definite chance they could score there, Whereas like.

Speaker 5 (01:52:26):
Even when they were down fifteen, I thought the game
was kind of over, but not like mac Jones over,
Like there's no way he thought.

Speaker 11 (01:52:33):
It was over because he didn't have faith in the defense, right, because.

Speaker 3 (01:52:37):
They do either. But like I thought there was a
chance they could. I didn't think they would.

Speaker 5 (01:52:42):
I thought there was a chance, and definitely the least
amount of faith was like even there, it was like
over five minutes they let him get to first downs first, yeah,
you know, and then they finally got to stop when.

Speaker 7 (01:52:52):
It's like, okay, now hanging on by a thread.

Speaker 5 (01:52:55):
Now it's desperate, like Frank goes, we need a miracle now,
and I'm like, no, if you could stop him here,
we're going to get.

Speaker 3 (01:52:59):
The ball back. Well, this is actually a real holiday miracle.
Paul Perillo aka Johnny Negativity is happy, so after a
twenty eight twenty two loss, and I think the rest
of patri the majority of Patriots Nation, feels hooked on
a feeling.

Speaker 5 (01:53:17):
I'm hooked on Drake May and like I've been hooked
on him since the draft process. I thought it was
the right call. I've said it many times and I'll
say it again. I would have taken him over Jayden Daniels.
And in a couple of weeks will everybody else, Oh,
they'll come around, already starting to turn, already starting to turn.

Speaker 3 (01:53:36):
Drake Daniels is good. I'm not taking it. Give him
the offense the year.

Speaker 11 (01:53:40):
I heard I will see, I will see everybody. I
saw a pick of the litter many times today in
terms of Drake May in the draft pick of the litter.

Speaker 3 (01:53:50):
They lose twenty eight to twenty two to the ROMs
today here in Foxborough to fall to the three and
eight on the year. Next week they go to one
of their perennial house of horrors, it's in Miami, to
take on the Dolphins in a game. After the Dolphins
win today, the Dolphins can sniff the playoffs. Yeah, it's
not gonna it's I can tell you right now. A
week out not a great spot for the Patriots, but

(01:54:12):
it'll be a great measuring stick to see what are
they made of? What are they made of? No pressure
and that's na ye apostrophe made of? What are they
made of?

Speaker 8 (01:54:21):
Go down there?

Speaker 6 (01:54:22):
Letter good, good experience for Drake Mammon. I talked about
a lot, just getting the opportunity for him to go
to a divisional rivals, certainly one down in Miami at
this point, get his feet wet down there, and but he.

Speaker 3 (01:54:33):
Got to lose.

Speaker 8 (01:54:33):
I did.

Speaker 3 (01:54:36):
That's like, that's a that's a little interesting nugget that
I like.

Speaker 5 (01:54:39):
It's gonna go to Buffalo later to well.

Speaker 7 (01:54:43):
I mean that one is a little exciting just because
it's some.

Speaker 11 (01:54:46):
People wanted him to sit the season. I'm serious. People
were saying, oh, you should sit the season.

Speaker 3 (01:54:52):
How long are we going lose to the rom I said, enough,
Paul and I have already taken our victory. Left to
jump smellings a little bit. You're talking in spite of
the loss. The Patriots lose twenty to twenty two, but
we believe there was hope today because saw the best
game of Drake May's professional career. That'll do it from

(01:55:12):
here for the Patriots postgame show presented by DraftKings for
Paul Thrillo, Mike Dosho, Fred Kersh, a cast of thousands
that we mentioned earlier, Matt Lapan in Matt Morrell. Thanks
everybody for listening and watching. Next week, the Patriots are
in Miami to take on the Dolphins.

Speaker 18 (01:55:29):
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Speaker 1 (01:55:58):
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Speaker 3 (01:56:08):
And I'm usually into the numbers. Okay, we do this.
I'm into the tangible numbers. There's time here.

Speaker 8 (01:56:14):
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Speaker 3 (01:56:15):
There's the advantage. You know how to work it. I'm
surprised an old fan over here. I thought maybe I'd
have to show you, like a tutorial or something. How
am I old man?

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