Patriots Postgame Show 11/23: Full Analysis of Patriots Win Over Bengals

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Speaker 5 (00:43):
Twenty six twenty the Final Four in Cincinnati, the Patriots
taking another win in this one. Welcome into the Patriots
Postgame Show presented by DraftKings. Puff Rillos Here, Mike Ducell's here,
I don't have my mic by my mouth, and now
we're rolling. He was the only one prepared, as you can.
You probably felt the same way. We were literally at

(01:04):
the edge of our seat, stressed out the entire time.
But again the Patriots come out with a w in
this one.

Speaker 1 (01:09):
Yeah, first reaction, a sloppy game, felt like they escaped.

Speaker 6 (01:12):
Feels like this is a team that's been playing for
whatever it is, towelve straight weeks now. Not a great start,
you know, got stopped in the red zone a couple
of times.

Speaker 1 (01:20):
A bunch of injuries.

Speaker 6 (01:21):
I mean, that's probably what's gonna be the biggest takeaway
from this game, is the number of injuries that they
had a starting with Will Campbell and Jared Wilson on
the left side of the line.

Speaker 1 (01:29):
But you know, give them credit.

Speaker 6 (01:31):
They stayed hung in there and they fought and they
and they sealed up the win. But you know, there's
definitely a lot of a lot of issues to point
out with this game, but I think they pulled out
enough place to get the win, and that's you know
what counts right now.

Speaker 7 (01:41):
Yeah, just check it off, survive in advance. Nothing great
about this one. I mean, this is probably the worst
offensive game they've had in a while. But defensively, I
thought they did some nice things in this game. So
it wasn't all bad. And like Mike said, you just
find a way to check it off. Kind of looked
like a tired team today, did not play well, but
they got the win.

Speaker 6 (02:00):
Yeah, maybe a little bit rusty too from the extended
week off or something, but you know, whatever way it was,
it's just you know, it didn't come out great, and
certainly the Drake may looked a little bit off, but
you know, again, I give him a little bit of
a credit. I thought, after that really sloppy start where
we're kind of sitting here evaluating how he's holding the ball,
he did find a little bit of a stride. It
wasn't a straight line perfect to the end, but again

(02:22):
did enough. And I always i'm appreciative when he's able
to overcome some of the bad starts, because a lot
of quarterbacks they start to spiral, they get sped up,
and you know you've got a game long of bad performance.
But you know, not Drake's best game for sure. But
they got the.

Speaker 5 (02:36):
Win exactly, and that's what we will talk about. So
let's get into the good, the bad, and the injured.

Speaker 3 (02:43):
Now it's time for the good, pretty good.

Speaker 8 (02:45):
It's pretty pretty pretty good, the bad, and the injured.

Speaker 7 (02:52):
Ah ah, you are right.

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Speaker 6 (03:25):
Yeah, I'll start with Hunter Henry. You know, it's just
another great performance. Ten targets, seven receptions, one hundred and
fifteen yards, that touchdown, had another you know touchdown call
back to the penalty. But you know, he was the
guy today and we've seen that a lot over his
time here. You know, kind of a quiet day for
Stephan Digg except for maybe down the end, but otherwise
it was Hunter Henry was the straw store in the drink.

(03:46):
And as Paul pointed out, we heard from Mike Petragleian
in the opening saying, you know, Hunter Henry, big game
for him today and.

Speaker 1 (03:53):
He sure did a lot of those throws.

Speaker 6 (03:55):
Felt like, you know, when May had a little bit
of time that it was, you know, kind of pitch
and catch with Hunter Henry. As're seeing the touchdown here
for those watching the video of it, so great great
play from Connor Henry.

Speaker 1 (04:04):
This is what we've kind of gotten used to with him.

Speaker 6 (04:06):
Being being May's favorite receiving target and you know critical
guy today.

Speaker 7 (04:10):
Yeah, he was my first guy on the list. Stood
out by far from the rest today and what I
thought was particularly important Mike mentioned sort of the the
erratic start for May. I thought this one went on
a little longer than they normally do, and there was
a throw that he made to to Henry that I
thought was really big, just a little one of those

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where Henry just presents himself just beyond the sticks on
a third down I think it was third and four,
he got about six, and then he kept he comes
wide open on the touchdown where May May probably made
his really I think is one of the very few
plus plays for Drake May today was that skip and rip.

Speaker 3 (04:52):
As Ted Johnson.

Speaker 7 (04:53):
On we I keep it where you know, you know
he just I think that Hunter Henry got Drake May going.
And so it wasn't just the seven for one fifteen
in a touchdown. It was when he got the first
couple that I thought he got Drake made to settle down.
So hats off to Hunter Henry today. I thought he
was instrumental in turning things around in the first half.

(05:16):
My first guy after that that was like I said,
I was with Mike.

Speaker 3 (05:20):
Carlton Davis. I thought was.

Speaker 7 (05:21):
Really really good in this game. I thought he had
a number of instances where he was very tight. And
I know that the you know, there might be some
mocking table because you know, let's let's face it, the
you know, the they who they were asked to cover
wasn't necessarily you know, what you would think going into
a game against Cincinnati. But you know, I thought, you know,

(05:42):
he does a good job right here on Jones on
a deep ball. I thought he had a couple of
other instances where he was able to dive and knock
down some some out patterns.

Speaker 1 (05:54):
That that Joe Flacco likes to throw.

Speaker 7 (05:56):
I thought he was really tight at the end of
the game, made some different windows for Flacco. And there
was a play early in the game where I was
at Yoshivas who had the the end a round that
looked like it could spring for a decent game or
it might have been a sprint out to Chase Brown.
He was like the only guy there and good shore

(06:16):
tackle in the in the open field. I thought this
was Carlton Davis's best game.

Speaker 1 (06:20):
Yeah, showed up a little bit for sure. Today. I
was thinking, you know, the same thing, but overall, you know, I.

Speaker 6 (06:28):
Trying to think how to phrase this because initially I
I didn't really have the defense on there. I mean,
I thought the pick six in the first quarter, in
the first half there was was obviously a great play,
terrible throw.

Speaker 1 (06:38):
By Joe Flacco.

Speaker 6 (06:41):
But I had down second half defense where you came out,
you forced three straight punts, brilliant. It should have given
the Patriots offense all they needed to pull away and
steal this game out, but they couldn't. And then they
came through. He gave up a touchdown. That drive was
really quick. You do get the final stop there, maybe
a little bit more interesting than it should have been.

Speaker 1 (06:59):
So I don't know.

Speaker 6 (07:00):
So this is like one of those ones where I
write it down after three straight punts and then I'm
kind of.

Speaker 1 (07:03):
Like, oh, that was a bad touchdown.

Speaker 7 (07:05):
Yeah, And then I thought the defense was real because
I think Cincinnati has a pretty good offense. I thought
the defense was really good, really pretty much throughout the game.
I don't know how much to credit the Pages defense,
just because of all the guys that were hurt. I mean,
even t Higgins ends up going out yoshivask goes out,
he comes back in. Kaseki goes out, he comes back in.

(07:26):
I mean, I get it, but you can only cover
who who you're going against. But the Bengals only had
three hundred yards of offense. I thought that the defense
was pretty good today. Carlton Davis to me, something they
were doing in the secondary was pretty good because Flacco
couldn't really find any open He only threw for one
hundred and eighty three yards, you know, so, I mean,
let's call it two hundred yards because Flacco had to

(07:47):
leave the game at one point. I thought the defense
was pretty good. I would this is not necessarily the
high powered Bengals offense that you you know, were billed as,
because none of those guys played by the end of
the game, none of those guys were alive.

Speaker 1 (08:03):
No, I mean, I mean no, I think Borrow's just
gonna walk right on and be like, you know what,
I don't want to go.

Speaker 7 (08:08):
You know what the funny thing is, it had really
nothing to do with like the past ride, like like
it's everybody talking about the offensive line.

Speaker 3 (08:14):
It was just guys getting.

Speaker 7 (08:15):
Hurt, like just every few minutes, banging their heads on
the turf and whatnot. But you know, Calmin Davis I thought,
I thought he was really really good in this game.

Speaker 3 (08:23):
So that's why I singled him out.

Speaker 5 (08:26):
Yeah, I had Hunter Henry as well, Carlon Davis at
the top, but I went straight to Boro Gallaison third
because he scored the most points for this team fourteen total. Obviously,
that fifty two yard field goal. Four for four with
his kicks today, and you know every week we talk
about the kick game, but this was one game where
you needed him to be accurate and he was able
to pull through.

Speaker 1 (08:44):
Yeah, and it's I had.

Speaker 7 (08:45):
Bora Galus on my list. You know, he was perfect
today in the day where points were hard to come by.
You wouldn't have expected them to be hard to come by,
but they were, and you know he he came up big.

Speaker 1 (08:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (08:55):
Look at that fifty two yard right there.

Speaker 6 (08:57):
Yeah, last one, last one I had of the people,
he just says, just Mark Chris Jones. You know, I
like the pick six again. I mean I think it
was a terrible throw a flack. I mean, I you know,
I could see it coming, but also getting you know,
the final pass defense there, and also you know, I
just think he was generally pretty active and and I
just I don't know, I struggled with the goods in
this oneah, because it was, yeah, it was not not.

Speaker 1 (09:18):
A lot of consistent performances.

Speaker 5 (09:19):
There were some flashes, but exactly like when Landry got
the sack, when we had talked about him in pregame,
I was hoping that we'd see more from him, but
every a lot of people that were on the that
could have been on the good list were just like
sparks of.

Speaker 7 (09:30):
Yeah, I had a great list, I thought, you know,
again going back to Trags, got to give him a
shout out because he nailed it. Tight Ends have been
a problem for the Bengals. I thought Henry and Hooper
early on kind of got Drake May going a little bit. Unfortunately,
May wasn't really able to sustain that little groove that
he got in sort of late in the second quarter,
I think. But you know, three for thirty nine, good

(09:54):
good return from him, you know, after missing the last
game with a concussion. So I hit, you know, not
quite like Henry and the impact that Henry had, But
I thought the two tight ends were good well.

Speaker 5 (10:03):
Also, the irony for the Bengals in the end of
the game, losing all the receivers, they have to have
three tight ends and still can't figure out how to score.
So just very bad football overall.

Speaker 6 (10:13):
Yeah, a lot of I mean just a lot of
sloppiness overall. And I mean there's really just you know,
they won the game, but I feel like there's a
lot more to dig into with the bads.

Speaker 5 (10:20):
Yes, So which is where we'll go to next.

Speaker 1 (10:21):
I don't know if you guys want to, I just
start off from the top.

Speaker 6 (10:24):
The you know, offensive start just felt like they were off,
you know, and that was disappointing to see to only
really score one offensive touchdown against which people were telling
us might be one of the worst defenses in NFL history.
You know, May didn't look right lucky that that other
one that he totally skied didn't get picked off. You know,
just not a great start for him, you know, and

(10:45):
again he did pull together enough to make some plays,
but it's just it never felt like you really got
into that, like May and Fuego part of the of
the show where it's like, oh, he's dealing now. I mean,
there were so many moments where he had time and
you felt like, oh, here we go. But it just
wasn't consistent enough today, and you know, and it did
and he didn't really have anything else to help him
with with the run game.

Speaker 7 (11:06):
Yeah, I agree with you about May and even you
know kind of this is the first time since last
year that it was kind of beginning to end. Like
the last throw he makes is really ill advised. You know,
you got a three point lead, you're in field goal range,
it's third down, you're off your back foot facing a

(11:26):
blitz right down your face. You just let one fly
off your back foot. You don't know that that's not
getting picked. There were two Bengals there. They one of
them I think thirty five broke on the ball, had
a chance to make a play. That's kind of the
only way you're going to really lose is if is
if you do it. You know, in other words, you
throw a pick there, or you missed that field goal there,
and then you make a couple of bad plays.

Speaker 3 (11:48):
The Bengals were hard pressed.

Speaker 7 (11:50):
To move the ball without all the personnel they had
that they had missing today. So yeah, I thought May
May struggled early in this game.

Speaker 1 (12:00):
I missed it.

Speaker 7 (12:01):
I thought this was going to be sort of a
coming out party for him. And you know, you look
at the numbers at the end, they don't look horrible.
Twenty two for thirty five for two ninety four, career
high two ninety four.

Speaker 3 (12:11):
I just don't think it.

Speaker 7 (12:13):
Can you think of like a throw that he made
today that you said, wow, what a throw? I mean
he had a number of throws to tight ends that
were wide open. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I really can't think of,
you know, one of those tight window throws or one
there was one.

Speaker 3 (12:25):
Dropping one in the bucket on the sideline up.

Speaker 1 (12:27):
The left seam.

Speaker 6 (12:28):
It might have been Hunter Henry. They were like four
or five guys around. It was in the first half.
But I know what you're trying to say.

Speaker 3 (12:32):
Yeah, I didn't see too many.

Speaker 7 (12:34):
And you know, I give Josh McDaniels some credit for
making sure that it didn't have to happen. You know,
they they saw what the problems were with the the
Bengals defense, the ones that that Trags told us about pregame,
and they exploited them. I thought the tight ends we
were open, and you know they had. They targeted him
fourteen times for ten catches, you know, one one hundred
and fifty four yards. You know that's taking what they

(12:58):
give you, as they say, so art game. I thought,
by Josh McDaniels and the Patriots offense, let's make sure
we don't make any more mistakes that keep Cincinnati in the.

Speaker 1 (13:06):
Game like that.

Speaker 5 (13:08):
Overall my frustration.

Speaker 1 (13:09):
Yeah, that was a good one. Yeah, they thought for
us that was that was a pretty good one.

Speaker 7 (13:14):
I mean, I don't know, he looks pretty open to me,
but it's a good throw. This is a good Yeah,
he's less less open than I thought the first time.
Forty nine kind of ran by him. That's a good throw,
but there were those were few and far between. Yeah,
you know, this is just pitch and catch. Yeah, he
would like I said, twenty two for thirty five, two
ninety four. It's not like it was a train wreck, right,
just maybe not as good as he's been, which shows

(13:36):
you how.

Speaker 3 (13:37):
Good he's been.

Speaker 1 (13:38):
Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 7 (13:39):
And somehow the Chiefs survive in overtime. Colts are going
to kill themselves. But that's a good outcome for the Patriots,
more good news for New England because that's one less
team with two losses in the conference.

Speaker 5 (13:50):
Exactly along the line deduce of your offense. I was
just mostly frustrated with the red zone offense, especially them
go line stand from Cincinnati at one point it drive
after drive cannot get into the end zone. I don't
understand what was going on on that drive specifically, but yeah.

Speaker 6 (14:07):
I mean or field goals, they were stopped and not
all these are technically red zone. I agree with your point, though,
I mean, you were stopped on the twenty three for
a field goal, you were stopped on the one for downs,
you were stopped on the twenty seven for a field goal,
the one for a field goal, and the.

Speaker 1 (14:20):
Thirty three for a field goal. So you're right though,
And that's just again they lost.

Speaker 6 (14:25):
Not only were they down cam Taylor britt they brought
an old friend, Marco Wilson, who was here all summer,
and then he goes down fift and corners, you know.
So you know, someone explained that one to me. How
they're on their like seventh corner and against you know,
and we're you know, still unable in the red zone
to dial it up against this defense. That I mean,
to me, that was the most frustrating part of the
whole game. That was where the game was essentially you know,

(14:47):
made close because they were stopped twice on the one
yard line. Just not something you expect from this from
this team. They've been pretty good inside the red zone.
Not great, but you'd think against this defense.

Speaker 1 (14:59):
With what they have.

Speaker 6 (15:00):
They had everybody back, they got Romandra back, I thought
we've got some power on the goal line. And then
since just a piggyback off that, they couldn't run the ball.
I mean, they couldn't run the ball at all today,
you know, there was there was just nothing going on
on the ground.

Speaker 7 (15:11):
It was technically zero for two in the red zone
for the Patriots. But when it all comes down, let's
call it like it was the way we were talking
about it while we were watching, like that was just
an unbelievably poor execution.

Speaker 3 (15:23):
On that drive.

Speaker 7 (15:23):
When they get down there, they get the penalties, they
still can't get it in. They have to take two
timeouts on that drive because they took all three timeouts
on the second half because they had to avoid delay
a game penalties. You know, so, like across the board,
this was just a little bit of a sloppy performance.
This is why I like, I don't know, you might
remember this, Mike, because you remember the odd, nonsensical things

(15:46):
that I do during the course of the week. I
sort of get I sort of get annoyed every week
when everybody's like, well, the Patriots didn't play their best,
but you know, like, no, today, when you don't play well,
you know what that was. You don't tell me there
was a difference between that game and Thursday night, last
Thursday night?

Speaker 4 (16:06):
Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 7 (16:07):
Like, I think every time the Patriots don't win by
fifty points, everybody wants to say, well, they won the game,
but they didn't play really well, like suddenly they've mophed
into the two thousand and seven version of the Patriots.
Today was a day they didn't play well and they
found a way to win. This was sloppiness, like self
inflicted wounds all over the place. Like I said, three timeouts.
You got to burn three separate timeouts because you didn't

(16:29):
have your personnel ready to avoid it delay a game penalty.
So I give them a lot of credit for finding
a way to win the game, because it's not easy
to win when you don't play well, even when the
other team doesn't play well either, because Cincinnati played wretchedly
bad in this game. And by the way, if I
was a Cincinnati fan, I would want Zach Taylor's job
right now, Right now, I don't know how many fourth

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and ones you're gonna punt on when you have the
worst defense in football. He's leaning on his defense like
he's got the two thousand ravens. You know, let's back up.
Let's back him up and make a stop. You're not
making a stop. You made them punt a couple of times.
You had a picked in this game. How many times
you think you're going to stop them? Like, that's a
wretchedly bad defense. How many times would you think you

(17:11):
were going to stop them? Yeah, and like they're down
four points, no, three points, whatever it was, they would
I think they were down four late in the game
in the fourth quarter and it's fourth and less than one,
a third and less than one. He throws it, which
tells me you're taking a shot to try to make
some some yards, but you're gonna go for him for that. Nope,

(17:32):
he comes out and he's trying to draw him off side.
He ends up intentionally taking a delayed game. I'd fire
him now, like that was that was just really really
I thought chicken bleep coaching like afraid afraid like Rabel
wouldn't have done that Rabel would have gone for those.
And another thing I'll give Rabel credit for. I probably
should have brought it up on the good list. I

(17:53):
love when the analytic guys don't just go by analytics,
they go by the game. Game situation was important today
and he showed you that. You know, end of the
first half, thirty seconds left, fourth and two, that's the
time that he's been going for it left and right
all year. Now we're gonna kick the field goal and
take the points here. We're a little sporadic offensively today. Yeah,

(18:16):
you know late in the game, we're not going to
push it. We're gonna take the field goal, make it
a six point game. I thought a couple of times
he had opportunities to go for fourth downs today and
he said.

Speaker 3 (18:26):
No, we're going to take the points. So it's not
all or nothing.

Speaker 7 (18:29):
And I think that's the difference between Vrabel and a
lot of these other guys, a lot of these other
guys that are you know, I'm not saying Vrabel's the
only one that does it.

Speaker 9 (18:35):
Don't.

Speaker 7 (18:35):
It's not like I'm not trying to be the obnoxious
Patriots guy. But Vrabel showed me that he's willing to
take the game situation into account, and a lot of
these guys just do what they do because it says
it on my chart, this is what I'm supposed to do.
So I think that was a big difference in this
game to you win the game by six points because
you were willing to take some points at times.

Speaker 3 (18:57):
You know.

Speaker 7 (18:57):
I think Mike Rabel was a big part of this game. Yeah,
big part in a positive way. Yeah, we still got
to get Yeah. I had the late clock stuff. Yeah,
I mean short yardage, short yardage off I mean everything
that you know. I had the clock late in the half.

(19:18):
I didn't like them sort of running the ball on
that first down. They looked like they were trying to
milk the clock instead of trying to score a touchdown.
But the run defense today like something totally separate from
the execution of the offense. It's the first game without
Milton Williams. Now, I'm going to hesitate to say this
was Milton Williams related, because I think there's been signs

(19:38):
of this the last two weeks. This was coming and today.
The difference was they gave one guy the carries, so
instead of fifty yards, it was one hundred yards.

Speaker 3 (19:46):
But they had a hard time with Chase Brown today.

Speaker 1 (19:48):
Yeah, the upfront they did.

Speaker 6 (19:50):
Yeah, just I mean, I'm not sure how to phrase
this exactly, but the drive right before halftime, yeah, three
plays thirty seven yards, you give up a field goal.

Speaker 1 (20:00):
Uh, and then the drive their last touchdown to have
four plays forty four yards.

Speaker 6 (20:05):
I mean it's just you can't. You can't do that
in clutch time. I mean, they've been really good most
of this season. Uh, you know, and who were seeing
the kickoff returna I mean, lucky lucky that you know
that they weren't already starting about their twenties.

Speaker 7 (20:16):
The seven goal drive that you were talking about, Mike
was really two plays, Yeah, right, thirty seven third play
was that that can't happen.

Speaker 1 (20:22):
No, it can't happen. They happened. They've been really good
around the half.

Speaker 7 (20:25):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (20:25):
You know last week it was it was not so great.
They missed the field goal, you know against the Jets.
Just that execution and those those are the kind of
drives that scare the hell out of me, you know,
especially coming down the end when you know that they
you know, this isn't the most high power passing attack,
especially down the end. They couldn't really push the ball
down the field all that much, and then all of
a sudden, you know, it just takes a couple of
plays in all their in field goal range. So, you know,

(20:47):
just some some situational football where the defense was was
not as tight. And you know, again, I just I
go back to, you know, is this a tired team?

Speaker 1 (20:55):
Is this, you know, a team that is a.

Speaker 6 (20:56):
Little rusty because they had a week off, and you know,
or is this you know, a sign that this is
teams start to become who they are around this time
of year. And I mean, I you know, I don't.
I mean, Paul mentioned the seven Patriots, but I just
not completely apple Staples. But I remember in December that
was a different team. That was a team that was
kind of holding on by the skin of their teeth,

(21:17):
grinding wins out. And if you really looked, you said,
you know what, this isn't the high flying team that
it was earlier in the season. And you know, this
Patriots team's a young team. They have a lot to
figure out, and it's hard for a young team like
that to establish consistency. But I just hope that they're
able to get right over these next Monday Night football
and the bye week, which is kind of a weird schedule.

(21:37):
Now they have a little bit of an extended week
now and then they'll have a full week off. So
can they get a little bit more healthy, Can they
get a little bit more sharp?

Speaker 1 (21:44):
Can they get back to the way they were playing?

Speaker 6 (21:47):
Because I feel like the last few weeks it's been
good enough to get wins. But if you're really paying
attention and you really want this team to make some
noise in the playoffs, I think that there's some things
that you can pose to.

Speaker 7 (21:55):
And it's funny because when we talked about the good list,
we had a hard time coming up with a lot
of different things, and I'm I'm the same with the
bad list, Like with specific things. I mean I had
like early in the game, you know, Chasin goes off side,
you know on a fourth, you know on a fourth
and five, you know, not an easy conversion. Make them
get it, they draw you off side.

Speaker 3 (22:16):
That can't happen.

Speaker 4 (22:17):
Now.

Speaker 7 (22:17):
They ended up getting the stop because they ended up
getting I think a drop pass and they got off
the field anyway.

Speaker 3 (22:23):
Then they got a sack.

Speaker 7 (22:26):
But these are the kinds of things that I know
people are gonna laugh, like, but these are the kinds
of things that get you beat. You're playing against the
worst teams in the league. And I know everybody hates
to hear that, but you are playing a steady stream
of the worst teams in the league. And it's good
enough to win by six points against one of the
worst teams in the league. But it ain't good enough
to be good teams. And you know, hopefully they can

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clean these things up and we won't have to find
that out if this kind of a performance is good
enough to beat a good team. But my guess is
we all know the answer to that, Like you can't
jump off side on fourth and five.

Speaker 1 (23:00):
Yeah, no, it's it's stupid.

Speaker 6 (23:03):
And we got a player I know.

Speaker 1 (23:08):
I'm hold my breath. We're on the back.

Speaker 3 (23:10):
Maybe we won't get one today. I don't know. Maybe
they'll maybe they'll be uh, we'll talk to Hunt.

Speaker 1 (23:16):
Maybe they'll be they'll be.

Speaker 3 (23:17):
Pouting because they didn't play as well. Yeah, it was.
It was an interesting game.

Speaker 7 (23:22):
I mean, like I said, when you don't play really well,
when you find a way to win the game, there's
something to be said for that. And I don't want
to dismiss it. I think Mike Rabel, you know, for
the most part, made really good decisions at critical times
today and they were Mike critical, critical, stress.

Speaker 1 (23:42):
To the win end.

Speaker 6 (23:44):
How we do uh geez, I don't even I mean,
probably the worst part of the whole thing is having
to talk about these injuriest the most significant injury that
we've had, so Jared Wilson, your rookie starting left guard,
was carted off.

Speaker 1 (23:57):
Looked like a.

Speaker 6 (23:58):
Right right uncle uncle. The first Morgan was a little sick.
He came out, but he returned. I think he played
the rest of the game this much. Brendan schooler out
ankle injury. Uh yus, I don't believe we saw him return.

Speaker 5 (24:10):
That was a chest injury.

Speaker 6 (24:11):
And then the worst one was was Will Campbell kind
of saw it as it was happening, you know, the
camera cut away.

Speaker 3 (24:16):
But that wasn't bad to me.

Speaker 7 (24:17):
I thought they were doing the A C L test
on the field.

Speaker 3 (24:21):
Cut it off. He's got the It.

Speaker 5 (24:23):
Came up for a second and it looked like he
may have.

Speaker 1 (24:25):
Been I don't show it. Don't show.

Speaker 10 (24:27):
We don't want to.

Speaker 5 (24:28):
See it again. I know you're doing your job, though.

Speaker 1 (24:31):
You know the best.

Speaker 7 (24:32):
I think that you know, clearly there's something you know,
you remerated here. Yeah, you could see the reaction around him.
You know, maybe maybe this is a sprained m c
L or something like that which the power pushich No,
but it might have him on the shelf for you know,
a month or so, but maybe not season ending. I
fear the worst because that's what I do.

Speaker 6 (24:50):
You know, I've seen enough of these that I kind
of feel like, I know the that's yeah, the Wes
Welker one comes to the mind.

Speaker 7 (24:58):
And iland and I do think that's a magnificant one
because you know, I like you can make an argument.
I know some of our listeners have Jared Wilson, Ben Brown.
I'm not sure there's an enormous difference there. I do
think there's a difference between anybody else you have at tackle,
you know, in Campbell.

Speaker 1 (25:13):
But we'll see.

Speaker 3 (25:14):
I thought Vederian Lowe did a fine job, by the way,
when he went in.

Speaker 1 (25:17):
Yeah he did.

Speaker 6 (25:18):
I mean, it's gonna thinking the worst. I mean, that's
gonna test this team for sure. This is you know,
that's how the season suddenly can go sideways and be
a completely different season in one game and you know,
I think this is a good coaching staff, and I
I mean part of me, I can't lie, is interested
to see how this oline coaching staff that has been revamped,
you know, what they're able to do if they have to.

Speaker 1 (25:39):
You know, go some time with the new left side
of the line. But I grew with Paul about Ben Brown.
I've always kind of liked him.

Speaker 6 (25:44):
I just think he's a good sized player and you know,
got some good experience last year. But you know, just
it's not even just losing Will Campbell at left tackle.
It's just it's a little bit of an emotional blow
because that kid was really rookie.

Speaker 5 (25:55):
The kids around and the.

Speaker 6 (25:59):
Best friends and you know, so it's just look, it's
you know, no what's gonna feel sorry. This is every
team in the league deals with this. You just hate
when this game suddenly arrives. And you know, in two
thousand and eight, it was game number one about a minute,
you know, five minutes in and going.

Speaker 7 (26:12):
To be like the three of us were sitting here,
I players long and and they're like it was it
was comical. At the beginning of the game, it was
play injury play every time Patriot down Bengal down, Bengal down,
Patriot down. It's and I do think part of it
is what Mike's talking about, Like, you know, it's week twelve,

(26:33):
you know for the Patriots, they haven't had a bye
week yet that you know, it's starting to you know,
it's starting to pile up. The wear and tearror starting
to pile up. I always used to say, like, you know,
it's it stinks when you go into the season banged
up because you don't get healthier as as an NFL
season progresses.

Speaker 3 (26:49):
So hopefully these these.

Speaker 7 (26:51):
Don't all turn out to be significant, but you're starting
to see what the rest of the league is going
through because this is what everybody else is dealing with
their week.

Speaker 6 (27:00):
And I'd say, I mean, I don't you know, I
will see with school or two, but I don't think
that that's insignificant. As you know, leader on special teams,
a guy who can all ass and get downfield.

Speaker 3 (27:08):
And he had an ankle too.

Speaker 6 (27:10):
You know, so that's that's that ain't great either. That
ain't great either. And Tonga, I mean, you know they
already lost Mill Williams. We talked a lot about Tonga
being a guy to step up well, you know, to
get back to back losses of two of your top
three rotational defensive tackles in two weeks, that ain't easy either.
So you know, look, let's cross our fingers and hope
that you get Look, Monday is a long week, maybe,

(27:31):
but even then three weeks maybe before you can get
with some of these guys back. Hopefully that that that
that time gives them enough time to get healthy. And
these aren't all critical season ending injuries.

Speaker 7 (27:42):
And that's on a day where you allow, you know,
your first one hundred yard rusher of the year nineteen
for one or.

Speaker 1 (27:47):
Maybe that's the better thing to point out with Tonga.

Speaker 7 (27:49):
Is yeah, Williams, you know that, you know, significant, significant.

Speaker 1 (27:54):
Getting Eric Gregory in there, you know, young kid.

Speaker 6 (27:56):
I mean, it's just, you know, it's not easy, not
easy to manage this many injuries.

Speaker 5 (28:00):
But yeah, especially because earlier in the pregame we talked
about letting the depth get reps, but unfortunately it was yeah.

Speaker 1 (28:07):
But no to make a stop.

Speaker 7 (28:09):
Yeah, and everything else you said ended up being right.

Speaker 3 (28:13):
Ern got it. I was like, what you were right about,
I mean, Flacco clearly was not help.

Speaker 5 (28:16):
I mean, you were right, and I don't need to
see his finger either.

Speaker 7 (28:19):
And yeah, I had nothing to do with it the finger.
It was more the shoulder, like he wasn't throwing the
ball at all early in the game. And you guys
were right. I mean, it's funny, like all the numbers
that we pick are really good. Like, you know, we're
looking for a thirty seven and a half yard completion,
but Drake may he has one for thirty seven. Joe
Flacco's attempts with thirty eight and a half, he attempts

(28:41):
thirty seven. Oh and by the way, Jake Browning comes
in for one. Yeah, so that's thirty eight.

Speaker 3 (28:46):
You know.

Speaker 7 (28:46):
So the numbers are right there. But but you guys
were right, I thought. I mean, if you had told
me nineteen thirteen this game was going to be, you know,
take away the two pick sixes, I would have said,
there's no way, no way.

Speaker 1 (28:58):
But that's what we saw. Who picked sixes, twenty five
injuries and no red zone offense. Yeah, pretty much exactly.

Speaker 5 (29:05):
All right, Well alla, wait front, Henry, Let's see what
Christian la has to say. Christian, Hey, you guys, how's
it going.

Speaker 8 (29:14):
So a win is a winner, they say, but you know,
some wins don't feel like like victory. They feel like
you got a w in the column.

Speaker 11 (29:22):
I was when I.

Speaker 8 (29:23):
Called Thursday, I said, I was pretty worried about our
interior run defense and who will step up? And I
got my answer, And I'm not happy about that. I said,
I was worried about the ability to get an a
cheerier pass rush also, and again I'm not happy about that.
We made Joe Flacko look serviceable instead of old and immobile.

(29:47):
And now with the injuries to the offensive line, this
team is at a crossroads in my opinion, and the
way we go into next week against the Giants is
going to be a very interesting game, and then how
we come out of that. Buy is going to determine
if his team is going to make some noise in
the playoffs or if we as fans are going to
settle with a better than expected season. How do you
guys feel about the rest of the season, our ability

(30:10):
to hold on to that number one seed with that
change with the the the Cults and the Chiefs today
And I'll take it up the air.

Speaker 7 (30:21):
I mean, I mean, I think that's I mean, I
like to tease Christian a lot. I think that's one
of Christian's better calls right there, because I do think
looking today in the micro is not necessarily relevant. It's
the macro, like, do these two injuries on the left
side of your offensive line? Are they first A, are
they both significant which we kind of think they are,

(30:44):
And do they have an impact?

Speaker 3 (30:45):
You see?

Speaker 7 (30:45):
I'm just looking at Twitter a little bit, Drake May
talking about, you know, the guys that obviously mean a
lot to him so mentally and you made that comment
Mike Early. Does that affect them mentally missing those guys
potentially and which directions does the team go? I think
that Giants game is shaping up, in my view, to
be a very difficult game. The Giants have played everybody

(31:08):
pretty much to They had another just bitter loss today,
and they've been able to step up against the better
teams in the league. They went to Denver and had
the game in hand in.

Speaker 1 (31:18):
The fourth quarter.

Speaker 7 (31:19):
Today they go to Detroit and they had the game
in hand in the fourth quarter, end up losing in overtime.
So I don't think that's going to be an easy
game come Monday night. And then they'll have a buy
and then you find out maybe a little bit more
when you get Buffalo Baltimore back. I think Christian's on that,
and I think it could go either way. Is it
going to be a season that you're happy just because

(31:40):
you've turned it around and you've become good, or is
it could be a special season that you can do
some damage in the playoffs.

Speaker 3 (31:46):
I think the story is still to be written.

Speaker 6 (31:48):
That's what I was feeling, too, is are you going
to hold up the team that has gotten to this
point one nine straight games, but then injuries happened and
we weren't that team? We didn't and we fizzled out
at the end, and you know, but next year, or
we're going to get back to that team that we were?

Speaker 12 (32:02):
You know?

Speaker 3 (32:02):
And what was then?

Speaker 1 (32:03):
Really want to be there?

Speaker 7 (32:04):
I think if you if you took a poll of
most Patriots fans heading into the season and you know,
idiots like us, what was the biggest fear we had?

Speaker 3 (32:13):
What was the biggest concern heading into the year?

Speaker 1 (32:15):
Depth?

Speaker 7 (32:16):
Everybody across the board said depth. And we haven't really
had to see it for twelve weeks. I think I
think we're going to have to see it in Week thirteen.

Speaker 6 (32:27):
Offensive defensive line too, These are positions every down impacted
by these guys.

Speaker 7 (32:33):
But you can make an argument that the defensive line
has been the strength of the team beyond the obvious
of Drake May. But you just wonder. You just wonder
if these start because they can't run the ball, and
it's not going to get better when you're losing your alignment.

Speaker 6 (32:47):
Down, no they I mean really it's becoming a season
long thing. A couple of long runs the last few
weeks offset some of that.

Speaker 1 (32:54):
You know, you could only like the number, but there
were no big plays today.

Speaker 7 (32:57):
I mean, I thought Henderson was actually better to it
was last week. I know everybody will be fixated because
he didn't have three touchdowns this week, but I thought
he actually ran hard. You know, the numbers aren't any different.
He was three point seven today, he was three point
three last week. Again, the touchdowns are all anybody's going
to say, Wow, he was disappointing to say, even Trent
Trent Green made the comment like he's been hot and he.

Speaker 1 (33:19):
Was bottled up today. I was like, he was bottled
up last.

Speaker 7 (33:21):
Week too, So this is when your metal is going
to be tested. I think that that, to me, in
my view, is beyond reproach. I think they've sort of
proven themselves mentally being mentally tough. Now physically, can you
continue to make plays with who's you know, can Marcus
Bryant if he has to play, Vederian Lowe if he

(33:42):
has to play I have more faith than Ben Brown
because he's played more. But yeah, I mean that defensive
line that you talk about, Mike, all of this is
going to start to add up.

Speaker 6 (33:51):
Yeah, I mean, I don't want to lose sight of
the fact too, that it's pretty impressive to come to
a point now where we were the last two years
with if the Patriots played a bad game in the
last two years, they weren't winning that game, and then
they would be lucky to be in a one or
two score game in that game, you know.

Speaker 7 (34:05):
Even against a bad team, this game would have came
down to the wire and the other.

Speaker 1 (34:08):
Two Yeah, it still kind of did.

Speaker 6 (34:10):
But you know, but I just I think that there is,
you know, still signs of progress when you look at
it from the view of what this team has been
and to come into a game on the road you
don't have your best, you lose some of your better
players over the course of its injury, you know, it's
still a sign I think of a of a team
that's pretty mentally tough, and they're just it's great that
they were able to win the game, because if they

(34:31):
can continue to win games and get a home playoff
game and play here, I think it'll it'll make a
big difference for them. You just don't want to see
a team that now at the end injuries, they start
to lose it and you know, they kind of fall apart.
But they've shown remarkable mental toughness in game over the
course of the season.

Speaker 1 (34:47):
But you know, as Paul kind of said, they haven't.

Speaker 6 (34:50):
Had a lot of real adversity yet and having to
overcome things that you know some teams too. I mean,
sometimes injuries happen to teams and overcoming them becomes, you know,
the identity of the team.

Speaker 11 (35:00):
Now.

Speaker 6 (35:00):
I don't know if that's going to happen for the Patriots,
but I mean, I think there's a very good chance
that they're going to need Vederian Lowe to finish out
this season and protect that left side for Drake May.
And you know, how does it look this year. I
know he was he got a lot of crap the
last couple of years, but he's in a better system
now I think I think he is better coaching and
he's had a chance to kind of rest and get healthy.

(35:20):
Wasn't healthy this summer came off of ir you know,
into camp at one point. So you know, there's part
of me that wants to see him go out and
do well after the amount of criticism that he took
and you know, some of the better support that he
has around him now. But big challenge for Drake may too,
big challenge for young Drake Bay in a second year
to work around this stuff. But get used to a kid.
This is how the NFL goes.

Speaker 5 (35:41):
I want to go back to what you said about
the adversity, because they haven't had it in the sense
of strength of schedule, as everyone has either complained or
bragged or whatever about. But when you think about today's game,
I feel like that was adversity of being able to
win in a game where one you were supposed to
mentally come back physically, you lose players and still find
a way to get it up, which is I think
maybe the biggest.

Speaker 6 (36:03):
Yeah, and I mean it's but it's one thing to
have like a ten point deficit in the first quarter,
verus let's see what it looks like a ten point
deficit in the fourth.

Speaker 1 (36:09):
Yeah, I like that. That's what.

Speaker 3 (36:11):
This was like. An adversity game, period for everybody that
played in.

Speaker 1 (36:14):
It, for some people watching it, guyversity.

Speaker 7 (36:19):
There were guys dropping in this game left right. This
was one of those games that both sides sort of
probably felt like, geez, everything's working against us today. But
I will say they were down two scores today and
they found a way to win first time, first time
they've done that.

Speaker 6 (36:33):
There you go, There you go first, Drake may pick
six a bunch of first going on something different exactly.

Speaker 5 (36:40):
All right, let's sad to Orlando and see what Chris
has to say. Chris, how are you feeling.

Speaker 1 (36:46):
Doing all right?

Speaker 13 (36:47):
Yeah, just scraped out of there. Touch on a couple
of things. I think Drake looked as bad as you
ever did look early. I don't think we're talented enough
to consistently overcome slow starts. I think that's going to
build up. Paul brought up this being Milton Williams related.
I was thinking that the entire game this team is
going to need to get healthy down the stretch. I
think these games for us mean everything. I think we

(37:09):
need the number one seed. I think we need that buy.
That home field advantage will be ginormous to make a
serious run. Although you could also say we're six and
all on the road. So I don't know this team
just it gives me too much mixed messages. We end
up winning, but we're not good enough to overcome slow starts.

(37:30):
I think that's that's what we're learning, especially.

Speaker 3 (37:33):
With our injuries, right, Yeah, I mean they have been
so far.

Speaker 7 (37:35):
But I actually said the opposite of about Milton Williams
is I'm not sure this was specific to Milton Williams
because I think it's sort of been coming on the
last few weeks. I've seen a little bit less stout
play up front. Now maybe it's Milton Williams.

Speaker 3 (37:49):
I don't know. Maybe it is.

Speaker 7 (37:50):
I look at him as more of a pass game
player than a run game player. But yeah, I mean
I don't it's certainly not helping to be missing him,
and I think Tonga as well. I think he's he's
been a really good run for US player for them,
this picks away And what this does is it puts
guys that are in small roles and it increases that

(38:12):
role and can that guy handle that? You know, can
a guy who plays really well for tens now's play
really well for twenty five.

Speaker 5 (38:21):
So we're actually gonna switch. We're not getting Hunter Henry,
We're getting Carlos and Davis who joined us right now.
Welcome in and congrats on the win.

Speaker 4 (38:27):
Hey, how you doing good?

Speaker 6 (38:29):
Hey, carl I just you know big when you guys
are able to hang on there, some big pass defenses
from you down the stretch though, Just what was the
mindset going into that final drive and trying to close
those guys out?

Speaker 4 (38:39):
Oh?

Speaker 14 (38:39):
Man, it was really important for us to win it
on defense and come through for our guys. Man, Coach
talk about it all the time that we got to
show our identity in these moments, and we just wanted
to go out there and show why, you know, we're
the defense who we are, And it was honestly just
being a dog understanding that the game is on this

(39:02):
and that you know it's making a break time.

Speaker 1 (39:04):
So we went out there with that mindset.

Speaker 4 (39:06):
And got the job done.

Speaker 7 (39:07):
He tackles three passes defense today for you, Carlton, But
I want to talk about one play that I'm sure
that you weren't as happy about, and that was the
go route down the sideline to T Higgins.

Speaker 3 (39:18):
I see you.

Speaker 7 (39:19):
Look, I could see the look on your face right now.
I don't even have a question. I just want you
to talk about it. Talk about it well.

Speaker 3 (39:26):
So you know T.

Speaker 14 (39:27):
Higgins is a great player, and just studying his film,
he's gotten a lot of go balls, and you know
one thing that he does well at the top of
them out is he creates space with his hands. He's
a physical receiver, big receiver with a big catcher idious
so I've seen guys try to look back for the
ball and get lost just with him giving him a nudge.
And you know, I wanted to be stout and courage

(39:50):
and I wanted to eliminate that separation. So I was
playing him.

Speaker 4 (39:54):
I was playing him tough.

Speaker 14 (39:56):
And I went in, stopped in the pot, stops out
through the pocket, and I look up, I'm celebrating. I
just see like two flags, and I'm so confused. You know,
sorry that he got hurt on a plane. But you know,
for me, man, I'm just competing at the highest level. Man,
I'm just you know, trying to get the job done
for our team and for them to throw that flag

(40:17):
and put them in a position and get a touchdown
that ship. It really just messed me up and it
kind of made me. It definitely made me not going
into that next possession.

Speaker 5 (40:26):
Yeah, Carlton, Obviously a win is a win, but this
one was a physical and mental fight. So what's the
feeling in the locker room right now after that one?

Speaker 1 (40:33):
I mean it was week twelve, so guys are tired.

Speaker 14 (40:36):
We haven't had a bye week yet. Yeah, and we
you know, we really fought hard through that to get
that win. So we are really happy, really relieved that
we get a longer week this week to recover and
you know, have Thanksgiving with our family because we was
playing on Monday. But uh, you know, we're happy that
we were able to show our identity to everything that happened,

(40:57):
being down ten zill, not playing the way we want
into early on, but ultimately getting to win.

Speaker 3 (41:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (41:03):
What does it say called and you've been around a
little bit, what does it say about your team? You
guys can maybe not have your best game but still
come away with a win, your ninth in a row.

Speaker 1 (41:09):
You guys are streaking right now.

Speaker 14 (41:12):
It just shows our resilience, It shows, uh, you know
what we're made of. It shows our identity and uh,
you know, honestly, I'm proud of our guys man, because
you know, a lot of people can say, you know,
whatever they want to say about as being ten and too.
But you know, we fight hard for every win and
we put into work and it shows up on Sundays.

Speaker 5 (41:31):
It does. And I have congratulations, have a happy things together.
Thank you for your time.

Speaker 1 (41:34):
Thanks Carling than Travels, congratulations, thank you.

Speaker 3 (41:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (41:39):
I could just you know, I.

Speaker 7 (41:43):
You know, I could see the look in his face
and and just to let everybody know, I don't think
we ever actually got it was the pass interference call. Yeah,
And I thought it was a tough call. I mean,
to be completely honest, I thought it was the right call.
I thought he got there early and I thought he
had I thought he restricted Higgins's ability to make the
AT But I don't think it was bad coverage. And
I think that's probably what really frustrated Davis is because

(42:06):
that's a that's a big ask on the sideline on
a play like this, and you could see him he's
kind of playing right through. You know, I don't know,
I I know why the flag came out on this play.
Let's put it that way. But again, something happened. How
do you respond to it? And he said it made
him mad as hell didn't useport hell.

Speaker 1 (42:29):
And he came.

Speaker 7 (42:30):
Up with a couple of pass breakups on the on
the final drive, diving, you know, to deflect the ball.
I thought, like I said, that's why he was he
got a big spot on my my good list. I
thought this was the best game he's had. I thought
he was really good in this game, really physical, really tough.

Speaker 6 (42:46):
As funny as I talked to him on Friday in
the locker room, we did a little you know, we're
talking to him and I asked him the same thing
about t Higgins. He said the same thing to me
on Friday, And you know, it's just funny when he
talked to a guy two days ago and then here
the game comes down to, you know, one of those
match plays that we talked about. Now, great to see
him him coming on, and I mean his just veteran
leadership there in the secondary. I think they're going to
need to lean into some of those guys as these

(43:07):
injuries pile up on defense.

Speaker 5 (43:08):
Like you said, they're just tired. I get it.

Speaker 1 (43:11):
I'm tired. Yeah, me too.

Speaker 6 (43:13):
I just feel like you're on the you're on the
treadmill right now. And I don't even know if the
buy makes all that much of a difference, but uh,
you know, just be good for these guys to finally
get I'll.

Speaker 7 (43:21):
Tell you, you know, And I didn't even think of
it in this way. That extra day is going to
help them a little bit for the Monday night, and
then they get the buy, then maybe they will be
able to catch up a little bit.

Speaker 3 (43:29):
Because you can see it.

Speaker 7 (43:30):
They're like they're taking on it, Yeah, taking on water
a little bit.

Speaker 3 (43:34):
And I think they.

Speaker 1 (43:35):
Need they need the buy. Yeah, they sure do.

Speaker 3 (43:39):
They need the buy.

Speaker 7 (43:40):
And uh, you know, if you can get there at
eleven and two, you know you got a lot to
accomplish there down the stretch, even if you slip up
once once or twice.

Speaker 3 (43:49):
You know.

Speaker 7 (43:49):
I know there's a lot of talk about the first
round by you know, obviously that's enormous, but to me,
the bigger thing is just make sure you find a
way to win the division and you are in control
of the division.

Speaker 4 (43:59):
Now.

Speaker 7 (43:59):
We didn't talk about this at all in the pregame show.
With Buffalo losing Thursday, the tie breaker, forget the head
to head. The tie breaker that the Patriots are in
control of right now is division record. So don't lose
to the Jets or the Dolphins, and you're almost guaranteed
to win the division even if you lose to Buffalo

(44:21):
and Baltimore. If you beat the Giants, Miami and the Jets,
you will win the division. And that to me is vital,
vital to have that division round that, you know, a
wildcard game at home, or a division round game at home,
whatever happens to be.

Speaker 3 (44:38):
That's what the focus should be.

Speaker 7 (44:39):
If you can get the number one seed overall, excellent,
that's gravy.

Speaker 6 (44:43):
Feels like you're gonna really have to thread the needle though,
and that's maybe maybe you can lose one game and
get that maybe the buye Yeah, well I don't know
if maybe I don't know if you can lose anyone.

Speaker 7 (44:51):
I mean, I mean sure, but that you have to
hope other teams lose, you know. But but that's the way,
you know, the way you're looking at it right now.
You know you have a half game lead because you and
again I don't when teams haven't played the same amount
of games, Like, don't tell me about the tie breakers,
but the division is different because the division is a

(45:12):
division record, and that is infirmly right now in the
Patriots favor.

Speaker 5 (45:18):
Yeah, I should agree that should be the goal. But
what do you make of the fact that they are
still a good team on the road looking at the
rest of the schedule.

Speaker 6 (45:28):
Yeah, they are a good team, I mean, and that's
and that does that gives me a little bit of
you know, hope, and that's something that we'll be talked about.
I mean, they have, you know, some more road games
to go. They got to go to Baltimore and they
still got to go to New York. But going into
the playoffs, if they do have to travel, this will
be what, oh, they went seven and one on the road,
you know, that'll be that That'll be how they how
they hype them up, and how you know, you convince

(45:49):
yourself that that they're gonna have a chance. But you know,
just you're gonna have to play some good teams on
the road, and that's that's probably the biggest difference, exactly.

Speaker 7 (45:56):
You're gonna have to play different caliber teams. I mean,
they have, in my my opinion, they have two very
good road wins in Buffalo and Tampa. So it's not
like they don't think they can do it. To Kwannie's point, though,
they know they can have six. They know they don't
have to be home to win because they've done it. Yeah,
six and zero on the road. They know that they
can win on the road.

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Speaker 5 (53:48):
Back into the Patriots postgame Show presented by DraftKings after
a win in Cincinnati full House. Finally, at this point
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Thanks for sticking with Fat and Matt. You usually come
bearing sound. So what's the feel right now?

Speaker 1 (54:04):
Well, I want to get the feel from you guys. First,
what's the feel in this room?

Speaker 5 (54:07):
It's it's highs and lows. We're happy they won, but
not in the fashion that they won.

Speaker 6 (54:13):
Yeah, and devastating injuries probably. I mean, it's it's hard
not to think about the injuries that what you're predicting.

Speaker 1 (54:21):
But it seemed like it seemed like it.

Speaker 7 (54:23):
Yeah, a lot of guys, A lot of guys left
this game, right, Yeah, but you know, you had to
be double digits in terms of the two teams today
had to be a half dozen each side.

Speaker 1 (54:33):
Added a good hour to the game. Seriously, brutal.

Speaker 7 (54:36):
I mean, like I hate that the cliche. It's just
like it's a brutal game. And this is one of
those games where it's.

Speaker 1 (54:42):
Like today was brutal.

Speaker 3 (54:43):
It was brutal. Yep, guys were going down every other play.

Speaker 5 (54:46):
About ten injuries my notes ten and two.

Speaker 1 (54:50):
Right, it's pretty so.

Speaker 22 (54:51):
And I would say this as we start, maybe with
some sound we're gonna hear from the head coach first,
who didn't want to comment on the injuries, did not
have any updates as far as the injuries are concerned,
but started out talking about the field goal operation in
Indy Borgalis huge.

Speaker 23 (55:07):
Those are those are great, and uh appreciate what he's
done and I think he's you know, a lot of
confidence there. And then the operation and we had I
don't know, I went through four or five different combinations
on a field goal. I mean, you lose linemen and
now you've got farms and you know, dirt in and
Morgan's that went, you know, I mean, it's just like
a lot of moving parts. So give those guys credit

(55:30):
for being able to jump in there and help us.
We didn't score it, and ay, you know again you
got to score with your man, whatever you call. And
you know it'll be a good learning opportunity for us,
and a lot of phases and just how important and
how critical in a week of practices and being ready
to go because you never know when your opportunity is

(55:54):
going to come, and making sure that everybody's on the
same page. And you know, a lot of moving parts
today you don't give them it. And uh, you know,
I think he you know, he came up big with
some with some good throws and uh, you know, I'm
sure there's a couple that he'd like to have. Back
on Friday, you had talked about the speed in which
the team recovers from a good player for a bad player.

(56:16):
We need some work at that, everybody, me included, starting
with me.

Speaker 5 (56:21):
I mean, that's just.

Speaker 23 (56:24):
Proud to you know, keep coaching these guys and we'll respond.
But I think you know we can focus on that,
you know, just the speed in which we recover and
just the these are long games, long games, and you
know they're decided by a few plays. So uh, in
the end, we made a couple more than they did.

Speaker 1 (56:51):
Yeah, a couple of interesting nuggets. I thought.

Speaker 22 (56:53):
They're one that probably most people I put myself at
the top of the list, don't factor in. But when
everybody's going down in droves, you got to mix it
match in the field goal operation unit. And I thought
that was pretty interesting to point that out. You know,
four or five different combinations.

Speaker 1 (57:08):
Don't you really think about the specialty? Just think about
offense defense and then you forget.

Speaker 22 (57:11):
What also you just think about long snapper. Those guys
are there, should be fine. If they're welling guys in
in and out.

Speaker 7 (57:19):
They proves that I'm one of those guys that wouldn't
have thought about that right right here, right, I wouldn't
have so that I understand that my cast too, right will?

Speaker 3 (57:31):
I think?

Speaker 7 (57:32):
I don't think Mike is like overstating anything right there.
You know, he's the coach, but I think we take
it for green. But linemen should block, right, Yeah, if
you have if your kicker.

Speaker 3 (57:40):
Is not there and someone else has to kick, now
that's different.

Speaker 6 (57:43):
Yeah, yeah, I felt I could find of feel the
weight of the game on Vabel there a little bit.
Oh that's probably part of the injuries, probably part of
just the you know, the long grind that they've been on.
But you know, the interesting thing to me too, and
the Giants have it the same, but like this is
the as late as you can possibly have a buye.
They have it on the Monday night of the last
bye week. You know, giants too, But it's it's been

(58:03):
a grind for.

Speaker 1 (58:04):
These guys, right. And the other thing that you know,
caught my hair a little bit.

Speaker 22 (58:07):
We was talking about you know, good good opportunity to learn,
you know, as far as practice is concerned, and being ready,
knowing that you need to be ready to play.

Speaker 1 (58:16):
I think today was a great example of that. Like
you never know when you're never going to come out.

Speaker 3 (58:19):
So I wonder if what he's talking about.

Speaker 7 (58:22):
And I'm not trying to put words in his mouth,
just like there was a lot of hey.

Speaker 3 (58:29):
Patriots are really good this week, you know around here, like.

Speaker 4 (58:35):
Stephen A.

Speaker 1 (58:35):
Smithy doing that, leve a could.

Speaker 7 (58:38):
A bit, you know what, just take a step back
focus the whole interesting and important thing that Mike had,
like a month and a half ago. It's interesting, it's
not necessarily important. Why don't you keep that stuff in
the back burner and let's let's be ready to go
at the start of the gay I wonder if that's
sort of what Mike is talking about. Opportunity to learn here.
You know, we need to be folks. We're good, we're

(58:59):
very good. We're ten and two, but we got to
be ten and two because most of the time we've
been ready to go, and today you can make an
argument that they weren't ready to go.

Speaker 1 (59:10):
Really good point, dear Paul, really good point.

Speaker 22 (59:12):
Okay, As for the players, a bunch of them and
they think they sort of said the same thing as
the National Football League. But let's kick things off with
the quarterback, Drake May you know ballt versity.

Speaker 24 (59:22):
Sure, I gave him one other in the game, just
battling back that next drive. And I'm just trying to
be a next play mentality, you know. So what coach
is preaching all the time, all the time, it's been
battling back from good plays, bace back from bad plays.
And you'll probably defense for stepping up. They sept up
big time. And like I said, it's next min up.
We had a lot of guys, you know, come in
and play and make plays and help us out. So
just proud of them, and you'll just go to get
a win and go to get the tenth win.

Speaker 25 (59:44):
It's the NFL teams are good. I mean, it's you know,
it's gonna come down to the wire. Games can come
down to the wire, and I mean perhaps to them
they did. You know, they came out and fought, and
I mean it's hard to get wins in this league,
so it was a good win.

Speaker 24 (01:00:00):
I love those guys, you know, uh, you know, Will
and Jared, they've been at meant a lot to me.

Speaker 1 (01:00:05):
You've got to know them in different ways.

Speaker 24 (01:00:07):
And yeah, it turs is disappointed, man, but that's that's
that's this game. That's you know, that's life, and you
know they'll bounce back and it will help us down
the road.

Speaker 3 (01:00:17):
I was about.

Speaker 26 (01:00:18):
It was a tough one for sure, and I try
to just expect that going into each week, not looking
at the record. I don't I don't really pay too
much attention to the records of the team because I
know in the NFL, every week is always going to
be a dogfight, and so you know, thank god we
got through that and came out, came out with the win.

Speaker 11 (01:00:34):
All the guys are are not satisfied with it too.
We know there's a lot more ahead of us, and
we know that we need to play better too. I
think that we take a lot of pride in that too,
that we need to play better. And you know, the
real the real games are coming down here down the stretch,
and we got to you know, continue to improve and
continue to get better.

Speaker 24 (01:00:52):
I got to be better, gotta better the line of scrimmage,
you gotta be better. Credit to them for for catching
the some and and like I said, I think I
do my part and help us play football and punched
it down there in the red zone, and you know,
I take that to heart and I'm gonna be better.

Speaker 22 (01:01:05):
I thought it was good to hear from the quarterback,
who you know takes some ownership of his play today,
and from Hunter Henry, veteran captain, saying there's bigger games
coming down the road. You know, I thought I like
to hear that, like to hear that. And I would
also say that there was a lot of people who
are asked about the two offensive linemen that went down
in Jelani to via that sounds like that's something that

(01:01:28):
doesn't sound great that he and his family are going through.
And there was a lot of talk from the players that,
you know, they want to make sure that they know
that they're with him in spirit and understand that he's
with them in spirit. They're thinking about him, and so
it sounds like he and his family might be going
through a tough time, which why he was.

Speaker 1 (01:01:43):
Did make the trip. Yeah, I don't like hearing that.

Speaker 6 (01:01:46):
Just also do some lat scene from the locker room,
Brettan's schooler and Jerry Wilson spotted in walking boots, Jerry
Wilson with a cane as well, kind of helping them walk.

Speaker 1 (01:01:54):
So not sure what that means, but take it for
what it's worth.

Speaker 7 (01:01:57):
I think Trent Green's the only one on didn't think
that that one was serious.

Speaker 1 (01:02:02):
It's going to take a.

Speaker 3 (01:02:05):
I know, I usually saved this from mondays with you.

Speaker 1 (01:02:07):
Yeah, let's do it.

Speaker 3 (01:02:08):
That was an exceptionally bad call today.

Speaker 7 (01:02:10):
By seeing it was I lost track at about two
dozen just flat out errors.

Speaker 10 (01:02:16):
By the way, justin Hooper Whenne's jumping on the pie,
because Mike.

Speaker 3 (01:02:27):
Is a little like me, it's kind of white noise
for us. It was so bad today it was hard
to no.

Speaker 6 (01:02:31):
One kept hearing stuff, and I'm like, Justin Hooper, Matt Hooper.

Speaker 22 (01:02:37):
Well then, so as the two plays for Wilson, like
the most egregious when he sits down and saying the.

Speaker 1 (01:02:42):
Guy can be he's hunched over.

Speaker 7 (01:02:43):
I know he couldn't get off the field under his
own like whatever.

Speaker 6 (01:02:47):
I mean, there was nothing worse than than watching them
those guys go off.

Speaker 7 (01:02:52):
Did Drake may line that he said, I got to
be better at the line of scrimmage. I think it
was really interesting because I think for one of the
few times this year the opponent got the better of
the Patriots offense today schematically that's a terrible defense, and
they caught him a.

Speaker 3 (01:03:07):
Few times and blitz.

Speaker 7 (01:03:09):
Same blitz was consistent one early in the game where
they move romondre Stevenson up into the A gap, which
is something they've done periodically during the year. As soon
as that happened, the whole Bengals defensive line shifted over,
got a guy come clean. Will Campbell executed his block perfectly,
and the blitz came because there was no one to
get him. Later in the game, when Vanderian Lowe was

(01:03:30):
in there, same thing. Vadarian Lowe blocks his guy perfectly
one on one and a guy comes unaccounted for. So
I think that's some of the things that maybe Drake
May's talking about.

Speaker 3 (01:03:38):
They beat him at the line of scrimmage a little.

Speaker 22 (01:03:40):
Bit today, and Trent Green did a good job on
a couple of those. By the way, didn't bringing that
out so that we're just.

Speaker 7 (01:03:44):
Killing did My criticism is more with the play by
play guy who couldn't identify a player. I mean, that's
kind of what you're there for.

Speaker 6 (01:03:51):
If you had asked me in training camp, what do
you think it's gonna look like for Drake May this year?
That that was the game that was kind of what
I was expecting from him.

Speaker 7 (01:03:58):
His rawerability will get him through, but he's going to
look overwhelmed dead times. Today's the first time since Week
one that he looked overwhelmed dead times, I thought, yep.

Speaker 22 (01:04:08):
So going forward, I think is it safe to say
that what we saw how they ended the game on
the left side of the offensive line, that's what it's
going to look like for the Giants game And maybe
at least yeah, there's a good chance of that.

Speaker 1 (01:04:20):
Yeah, I embrace on myself.

Speaker 6 (01:04:21):
It's going to be Verderian Loan and Ben Brown on
the left the side of this line here on out.

Speaker 1 (01:04:25):
Maybe I have a.

Speaker 6 (01:04:25):
Little bit of hope. And Wilson, we'll see. Maybe that's
a high ankle spring a few weeks something like that.
But the way he was limping, I don't, I don't,
I don't feel good. And just the look of Will
Campbell putting the.

Speaker 1 (01:04:35):
Towel over his head, Yeah, it looks just don't want
to speculate a dreaded a.

Speaker 6 (01:04:40):
C L when that comes, you know, And that that
was the vibe I got there, So I, you know,
definitely Will Cambell in my thoughts, he's, you know, great guy,
he's been awesome as a rookie. And it's just you
hate to see, you hate to see this go completely
sideways just in you know, one play, but again that's
what happens.

Speaker 1 (01:04:57):
Sounds cliche, but that's what the NFL is all about.
You just never know who they're gonna take.

Speaker 6 (01:05:01):
You know, you never know who the football gods are
going to decide to sacrifice in this one.

Speaker 22 (01:05:05):
I did I and you guys would know because you
follow this a little bit more closely than I do.
Did Did somebody come out this week and write a
calm about how great their health has been and everything
like that.

Speaker 6 (01:05:14):
I don't know, But whoever it is better string up, believe,
I do believe the head coach did get a little
jab at dem.

Speaker 1 (01:05:19):
He goes, thanks for pointing out the help during the week.
I really appreciate it. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:05:24):
Yeah, But you.

Speaker 6 (01:05:25):
Guys, you know, I mean I think of like, you know,
twenty eleven when Andre Carter was like going off and
having a great year and everything, and then he got lost.

Speaker 1 (01:05:32):
You know, I don't know.

Speaker 6 (01:05:33):
I think it was in Denver, you know, down the stretch,
and you know, it's just those things happen, and you
don't know if it's going to be the first game
of the season or one of the last games of
the season that your team dynamic gets kind of changed.
And the truly great teams are the teams that pull
together and figure out how to overcome these things. Darian
Low has been here for a reason, and now it's
an opportunity for him to get in there and and
and play some solid game.

Speaker 7 (01:05:54):
And I got to tell you, I think that the
biggest factor in past protection has been Drake May, and
I think that will continue to be the case. I'm
not it ain't great. I'm not gonna just sugarcoat it.
But I'm not overly concerned about the offensive ones. I
think the defensive attrition is starting to pile up a
little bit. That's more concerning to me. But the offensive
line they'll get by. They'll figure it out.

Speaker 5 (01:06:16):
That being said, how do you all want them to
regroup offensively? For the Giants? Knowing the Giants have had
an inconsistent season. Two, they went overtime today, They've.

Speaker 3 (01:06:27):
Seen to play the same game every week.

Speaker 7 (01:06:28):
We're gonna be up by two scores in the fourth
quarter and we're gonna lose.

Speaker 4 (01:06:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:06:32):
I try not to do that, but I mean, I think,
you know what Tavan Henderson said, I thought running true
to me.

Speaker 1 (01:06:36):
It's just I don't really try to look at teams records.
This is the NFL. Every game is going to be
a fight. And after this.

Speaker 6 (01:06:41):
Game against this team and this defense, how can you
not and how can you not look at what the
Giants have done and not think you're going to come
in here on Monday night and be ready for an
absolute war again that you know, you don't know some
guys who are going to be in certain positions, like
you don't even know what the composition your team is
going to really be at this point. And the Giants
are just gonna let it rip. They don't really care
that you know. Jameis Winston I love them. I mean,

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we'll see if Jackson Dark gets back. But you know,
even still, this is a team that that's gonna let
it rip. And they got some pass rushers that can
disrupt things absolutely.

Speaker 7 (01:07:10):
And this team isn't any worse. The Giants aren't any
worse than the team play today. No, you bet every
ready to go.

Speaker 1 (01:07:15):
I mean Abdul Carter like they don't got an Abdul
Carter on Cincinnati. Let me tell you they need.

Speaker 3 (01:07:21):
That, well, they do. He's just he wasn't playing.

Speaker 1 (01:07:22):
Till you just like everybody else.

Speaker 22 (01:07:26):
You give Cincinnati a little credit today for not packing
it in and playing harder.

Speaker 7 (01:07:29):
I think they needed to win every game, but I
think they they did. They emptied the bucket too bad.
Their coach didn't. The coach coach very afraid going for
field goals, going for punts. Yeah, yeah, on fourth and
inches twice.

Speaker 5 (01:07:43):
All right, let's take it back out to the phone lines.
I Evan is in California.

Speaker 12 (01:07:49):
Hey, Gay, how are we doing?

Speaker 15 (01:07:50):
Good?

Speaker 11 (01:07:52):
Boy?

Speaker 27 (01:07:52):
That was rough?

Speaker 12 (01:07:53):
Thank god Burroughs and uh Zamara weren't playing. And the
coach is an idiot. That helped the stuff to sleep.

Speaker 3 (01:08:02):
I believe that last part was instrumental.

Speaker 12 (01:08:05):
That's ridiculous, really, but you know, but that's why we have,
you know, ten wins, right, I mean, that's that's the deal.
We have a we have a really good coach. We
can beat bad football and as we see, there's a
tremendous amount of it. But it just really sucks because,
you know, the one guy we could leap the four
to lose on the offensive line, and I feel bad
because that guy, he's such a great guy and also

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our best offensive lineman. Right, And this team, like livet
saying before we can join the ride, you know, you
know this this team is taking on water. And we
talked to you know, and you guys have made mention
of it as well. There's not a lot of depth.
And I think that I don't know if the I
don't know if the number one see was ever really

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like I think, to me realistic in a sense because
a really good team is going to take us down
just based on where we're at. But at the end
of the day, you know, we're still having a great season.
It's just a good try to hang in there. To me,
I look at it, we can get a playoff game
and Julette, regardless of what happens. You know, the aerro

(01:09:07):
is still pointing up and you know we keep going.

Speaker 1 (01:09:10):
So yeah, tell me what that game looks like and
who the opponent is. I don't know.

Speaker 6 (01:09:14):
I mean, I'm at the point now where I don't
want to lose to Jacksonville.

Speaker 3 (01:09:19):
Tell me what the game looks like. I think you
make a great point, Mike.

Speaker 7 (01:09:22):
It's just everybody wanted to do this before the season started,
and we kept saying, can we see how it plays out?
Like right now? Yes, I'm not dumb. If you would
said all of this stuff was going to happen before
the season, I would have said, yes, I'd be thrilled, but.

Speaker 3 (01:09:36):
I want to see how it unfolds.

Speaker 7 (01:09:38):
Sure, like a you're gonna tell me you're gonna be
okay now if they like lose the rest of their games,
No way you're going to.

Speaker 1 (01:09:44):
Be okay with that.

Speaker 7 (01:09:45):
Expectations have changed, right and I don't know why the
number one seed is not realistic. You have it right now,
You're tied with Denver. You know, with two losses, you're
at the top of the conference. It's right there for
you to take if you can take care of business opportunity.

Speaker 22 (01:10:01):
Is that the tenor of the and the tone of
the calls and the emails like Ivan down and out?

Speaker 5 (01:10:06):
Yeah, yeah, I think, well I haven't gotten any emails actually,
so if you have any sense in but yeah, it
feels as though, from even looking on Twitter, the reaction
that fans are putting out is kind of yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:10:17):
I mean he's up and down, talked all week about
how bad this team was, right and score, score and
score some more, Like they scored.

Speaker 1 (01:10:24):
One offensive touchdown all the game. So you know, it's
just just is.

Speaker 6 (01:10:28):
This a tire team that needs a break and then
can get them back on track? Is a team that
can pick itself up and just get back on track
within this week and you know, kind of get back
on the upswing because you know, to me, the last
few weeks it's been good, they've been getting wins, but
it also feels like there are some cracks popping in
and the caller said, is that there's some water coming
on in some areas, and then you add in some

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injuries and it's all right, is this team gonna turn
it around and rally around each other and and maybe
even fine, I don't want to say a new identity,
but it's something to that effect where you're gonna have
some new players that are gonna have to step into
roles and maybe step into you know, do things that
you didn't necessarily expect two weeks ago. So you know
they're going to have to adjust on the fly, like
like all these NFL teams do. And you know, it's

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a big challenge for Mike Rabele to, like you said,
get you know, put this.

Speaker 1 (01:11:13):
Behind us, good, bad, whatever it is. Let's get back
to back to neutral.

Speaker 6 (01:11:17):
And I think that's that's the biggest challenge for this
team right now, getting off of this. And you know,
it's hard because you're winning games. You know, you don't
want to say like, oh my god, we're going down
to the drain. But I think if you watch these
games closely, you listen to the players, you see the injuries.

Speaker 1 (01:11:30):
That are adding up. You know you know that they're
they're kind of up against it.

Speaker 23 (01:11:33):
Right now.

Speaker 1 (01:11:33):
And this is this is the adversity they're going to.

Speaker 6 (01:11:35):
Have to push through if they want to be a
team that gets to January and make some noise.

Speaker 22 (01:11:38):
This is a team that looks like they could desperately
use a second wind. Don't they look like they could.

Speaker 1 (01:11:42):
Just give me a second win?

Speaker 6 (01:11:44):
Yeah, you know, like they're just they're still trying to
grind them out, and you know, but it's.

Speaker 5 (01:11:47):
Just like a fight every week.

Speaker 6 (01:11:48):
The lack of the offensive run game, the way the
defensive run game is starting to open up a little bit.
You know, some of these drives where it's just all
too easy for another team to go down. You know,
it's it's just these little things. And if you're paying attention,
you see those things and you say, I don't like it,
Like you got to get rid of that, right?

Speaker 5 (01:12:05):
All right, let's see, we're gonna head to Virginia. Hi, Emery,
are you underwater?

Speaker 27 (01:12:12):
Good evening, everyone, good evening. Good teams trying a way
to win football games, and it's hard to win in
the NFL. Everything I'm hearing from the players and from
coach bay Ball and his staff, I don't know, have
y'all been watching the NFL this season, it's been a
lot of bad football, but coach Baby was building an

(01:12:35):
identity here and I'm really encouraged by it. This organization
won a total eight games this past two seasons, so
there's no no dooming bloom energy here. A win is
a win, and all wins are good. We're on to
the Giant Go patsall.

Speaker 1 (01:12:56):
That's true. I mean, you know it is. It is
really hard to win in this league.

Speaker 6 (01:12:58):
But you know, at a certain point you go from
I'm going to be satisfied with just nine wins. We
had a winning season. Two, Hey, it's lining out this year.
We've had good injury luck. Quarterback, you're playing like an MVP.
Make the most of your chances because you just you
never know when these things are gonna line up.

Speaker 1 (01:13:12):
And I don't think it's the kind of thing.

Speaker 7 (01:13:13):
Stop jumping off side on fourth and five, right, I'm
not asking for a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:13:17):
Yeah, I'm not asking for a lot.

Speaker 6 (01:13:18):
Don't beat yourself, But yeah, I think they have an
opportunity to not just get into the playoffs, but but
win a game.

Speaker 1 (01:13:25):
If they play the way they're capable of.

Speaker 7 (01:13:27):
But if they continue to there's no reason for them
to not think that they can beat anybody. Correct, There's
nothing that's happened in this league to tell them that
they can't compete with anybody.

Speaker 3 (01:13:35):
So I'm not satisfied with this.

Speaker 7 (01:13:37):
That's becoming one of my top five cliches that I hate.

Speaker 3 (01:13:41):
Hard to win this league.

Speaker 7 (01:13:42):
Sixteen teams do it every week, Like don't jump off
side on fourth and five. You know, the other team
made more mistakes than you and they lost the game.
But like, you can do better than this. They can,
they can play better than they played today. If this
was Week one and they found to win the game,
I'd probably be sitting here whistling Dixie saying.

Speaker 3 (01:14:03):
How astatic I am. But now I'm ten and two
and I have fascinations for more.

Speaker 5 (01:14:09):
Yeah, so true. Okay, Frank in San Diego, how are
you feeling?

Speaker 13 (01:14:14):
Hello?

Speaker 9 (01:14:16):
Hey Frank, Hey, hey guys, great show, Paul, Mike and Kwannie, Great,
great show. I'm a first time caller. I'm from sunny
San Diego.

Speaker 3 (01:14:24):
Thanks.

Speaker 28 (01:14:24):
Only in New England.

Speaker 9 (01:14:26):
Only in New England are we so pessimistic? There's not
a single team in the NFL that would not like
to be ten and two have nine straight wins in
a row, and that are six and zero undefeated on
the road. There's not a single NFL team that would
like to change places with us. Remember when coach Belichick

(01:14:48):
used to say we are onto Cincinnati, Well we are
onto New York. That was a tough game today, but
there's still nine straight wins. Stop being so pessimistic. I mean,
the glass happen.

Speaker 7 (01:15:01):
The only pessimism is about injuries. In fairness, no one's
pessimistic about winning nine in a row. The pessimism is
being disappointed that they lost potentially three starters today.

Speaker 9 (01:15:11):
Yeah, yeah, you know what, but nothing's happened. We continue
to win. We're gonna beat New York. We're gonna get
healthy in our bye.

Speaker 3 (01:15:20):
Okay, Well you know more than I do. I can't
see the future.

Speaker 13 (01:15:24):
Yeah I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:15:25):
I don't know that.

Speaker 7 (01:15:26):
I mean, I think Bill Campbell and Jared Wilson have
significant injuries, so I don't know that they're going to
be okay, but I guess you know, so I don't know.

Speaker 9 (01:15:36):
No, no, no, I don't, I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:15:37):
You just said it. They're gonna be healthy of.

Speaker 9 (01:15:39):
Everything, win and win and takes care of everything.

Speaker 28 (01:15:43):
Okay, we are winning.

Speaker 3 (01:15:44):
It's good.

Speaker 9 (01:15:44):
Nine straight win.

Speaker 1 (01:15:45):
Good life.

Speaker 3 (01:15:46):
Lesson learn, learn from that one.

Speaker 9 (01:15:49):
Hey, here's my last question to you guys. See if
you can answer this, see if you can figure this out.
It's more of a coaching question. Why when we know
that we're gonna run the ball, when we know it's
going to be a running play and the defense knows
because they're stacking, uh, the the defense, why don't we
spread out? Why don't we spread out so everyone is

(01:16:12):
not right there when we try to do a running
play for one yard? Hey, thank you so much, Thanks Ran.

Speaker 1 (01:16:18):
Thanks Frank.

Speaker 6 (01:16:23):
I don't know, are you saying that you didn't love
the short yardage running situation?

Speaker 1 (01:16:28):
Right? They weren't happy with the rest after they run it.
They didn't today, No, the Patriots, Yeah no, but I
mean to pause point and I was, you know, just
kind of looking at the thing. I mean, Paul was,
Paul was right.

Speaker 6 (01:16:42):
I mean, you know, as they graded, Henderson had ten
successful runs. I mean, it wasn't overly productive, sixteen carries
for sixty six yards, but you know, did have some
situations where.

Speaker 1 (01:16:51):
You know, gain more than four yards or whatever. The
you know, the criteria is per down so professional runners.

Speaker 7 (01:16:57):
They had twenty twenty four care for seventy one yards.

Speaker 1 (01:17:03):
So May sorry.

Speaker 3 (01:17:04):
Twenty twenty five carries for seventy.

Speaker 1 (01:17:07):
One yards, so the May scrambles in the end around
to Douglas.

Speaker 3 (01:17:11):
And even then there was three point five a carry
counting that.

Speaker 6 (01:17:14):
Yeah, those are only the only ten plus yard runs
in the game. There's nothing from the running backs.

Speaker 7 (01:17:20):
But I mean, when you're on the goal line, you're
inside the one yard line, like they know you're running.

Speaker 3 (01:17:26):
You know you're running. Your job is to get the yard.

Speaker 7 (01:17:29):
I actually hate when teams get tricky down there and
try to finesse it in like you need to run
it now. Last week they gave the ball to triviaon
Henderson twice in those situations and you got two seven
yard touchdown runs because you were able to physically push
the Jets into the end zone. Today they weren't able
to do it. I mean, I'm not going to lose,

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you know, my faith in the team because they weren't
able to get it. Was bad execution down there, no
two ways about it. But you got to get a yard.
You had how many mic five plays from the one
yard line? Six if you count the penalty.

Speaker 6 (01:18:02):
Yeah, I mean, I mean that one drive they had
nine plays, nine plays total from the five.

Speaker 7 (01:18:07):
And from the five and in and you you got
to score there, you know. But give give the Bengals credit.
They I thought they got aggressive down there. I thought
they were tight with their coverage. They made him work
for it, even the hold on Booty. You know, it
was a good call. He got held, but it was
good coverage. It was good coverage. Guy didn't get fooled.

(01:18:28):
You know, we've seen guys get fooled on those where
like mac Hollins just slips out uncovered or someone else
does they they did a good job. Sometimes the other
team's gonna gonna win those battles.

Speaker 6 (01:18:39):
I really like that play though, that shovel past the
hunter Henry, which man stop a yard short?

Speaker 7 (01:18:45):
Like this is a that's a good hard run right
there by Stevenson. He just got he got stacked up.
They kept him out two guys in the backfield.

Speaker 3 (01:18:51):
Like you can't, like you got to be better than
that down there.

Speaker 6 (01:18:55):
When it goes to like what you said about last
year where Steven so was able to break some tackles
in the you know those tackles getting hit in the backfield,
slip out and you know, pick up some artists, it's
not today.

Speaker 1 (01:19:05):
Not today. They had at least three tackles for a
loss and probably low on them.

Speaker 7 (01:19:09):
The red zone offense is a concern, yes, but it's
a minor concern for me because I don't think it's
been that bad today. It was yeah, now, you know whatever,
the nine places from the five yard line. That's inexcusable.
But I don't think that's been a huge problem this year,
and it certainly wasn't a problem last week when they
were running it in.

Speaker 5 (01:19:29):
So to the question on from the collar, what would
you have liked to see them do in the red
how would you have liked to see them regroup?

Speaker 7 (01:19:36):
I would like to see them block better and just
running from inside the one yard execution.

Speaker 6 (01:19:41):
Executing all these highlights that were showing in the game.
I mean, it's just the common theme. To me, looks
like you're getting overwhelmed at the line of scrimmage. You're
losing the battle on the trenches.

Speaker 7 (01:19:50):
Yeah, but I didn't like. I didn't want to do
anything different. I did no problem with. The only play
call I didn't like was the one the sneak to
may Somewhere. There was a fourth and third in the inches,
the alleged push and maybe just not run quarterback sneak. Well,
he turns and that puts the ball behind, you know,
like you know where he was. You know, this is

(01:20:12):
like you just losing the battle with the last skimmage.
Like Mike said, Look with the guys making the tackles
in the backfield. This is the this is the you know,
like I don't like the way he turns. I don't
think he likes I don't like the way he turns.

Speaker 3 (01:20:23):
His back has no chance.

Speaker 7 (01:20:26):
But you know, for the most I don't really have
any I don't have any problems with the play. Calls
themselves for the most part, that the execution was not
good today, understand.

Speaker 5 (01:20:37):
Okay, let's take it to the Poconos. I used to
summer there at my family ron. How are you well,
But like it was a summer. I think it was
the most affordable trip.

Speaker 3 (01:20:50):
We could go.

Speaker 5 (01:20:51):
Were you in dirty dancing, well run then know?

Speaker 28 (01:21:01):
Hell about you all? Thank you for everything that you do.
I just want to say I agree with everything that
ever has been saying, you know, the the late by,
the tiredness, the injuries, all of it. I think it's
down to the coaches now to keep everybody focused and
going forward in the right way. And I believe in

(01:21:21):
the coaching staff, Rabel, you know, I believe in him.
So we'll see what happens.

Speaker 27 (01:21:28):
We don't know where it's going to go.

Speaker 28 (01:21:30):
But I wouldn't trade our staff for anybody.

Speaker 1 (01:21:34):
Yeah, I'd agree with him there.

Speaker 22 (01:21:36):
And I think another one of the challenges that they
have is and people mentioned a couple of weeks ago,
they've got a weird week again this week. You know,
there's a holiday coming up on Thursday. And with as
close as this team appears to be, and I think
everybody's commented that's very close, you want to give them
that time to be with their families and everything like that.

Speaker 1 (01:21:55):
Then you got to get them to rimp back up.
And you're gonna have to have a you know, like.

Speaker 22 (01:21:59):
A practice on Saturday, which is not part of what
your routine has been, to play on Monday night with
a carrot hanging in front of you. After that Monday
night game, knowing there's more time to be had after that,
there's them scheduling.

Speaker 7 (01:22:12):
One of the few things though, that benefits them is
that like they get and you heard Carlton Davis say
it like they get to spend the Thanksgiving with their
family because because it's a Monday.

Speaker 1 (01:22:23):
Night game, or they'd have been practicing.

Speaker 7 (01:22:24):
They've been practicing, they're practicing Saturday because you practice Saturday
when you have a Monday night game, Saturday is Friday.
So that's that's a like a quirk in the schedule
that is highly beneficial. I'm sure every one of those
players is very excited about the fact that a Monday
night game fell on Thanksgiving week and they get to
enjoy the holiday.

Speaker 3 (01:22:43):
With their family.

Speaker 6 (01:22:44):
Needs to check on the healing powers of mashed potatoes, seriously,
on Will Campbell's leg wi Jake White's got a big
something and get these guys healthy.

Speaker 5 (01:22:56):
Yeah, but hopefully it is a reset that they need
mentally too, of just like taking a break and then
getting back into it knowing that they have to finish
off the rest of the season stronger.

Speaker 1 (01:23:03):
You know.

Speaker 6 (01:23:04):
It's funny though, because it's like you say that, but
then at the same time, it's like they've been on
the schedule.

Speaker 1 (01:23:08):
Where it's like my routine and I'm down, and.

Speaker 6 (01:23:10):
Then Monday, I go to this and it's a young
team and so some of these guys it's such a
common refrain you hear from young players when they come
into the league, and my experience and area of oh,
you know, I talked to this vet and he told me,
get your routine down. You know, this is when you
get your massage, and this is when you go and
do workouts your body, get your body right that for
a little bit, right right, So now it's a challenge
for I. Usually I get my massage on this day,

(01:23:32):
you know, and that sounds kind of maybe like I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:23:34):
Maybe massage is the bad exactly, well, do I.

Speaker 6 (01:23:36):
Get my massage? Excuse me? You know, when do I
get all my cupping stuff? These guys walk out and
you're just like, my god, there's just these like lines
up their backs and you can tell all the things
that that they.

Speaker 1 (01:23:47):
Have to go through just to get ready to play.

Speaker 6 (01:23:49):
But you know, I do think even though it's challenging
to do it every Sunday at one, there's also just
I mean I felt it when we were doing our show.
You know, you just get into the rhythm and all right,
and yeah, it's maybe hard to get better on a
short week, and so.

Speaker 1 (01:24:02):
You know, we'll see how they manage it.

Speaker 6 (01:24:03):
Because now it's you have one game in the next
like basically three weeks that you know you've got to
get healthy, but at the same time, you can't lose
the edge.

Speaker 5 (01:24:12):
All right, Cindy and mass how are you hi?

Speaker 3 (01:24:16):
How you doing?

Speaker 1 (01:24:17):
Hey? First of all, thanks for doing what you guys do.

Speaker 13 (01:24:22):
Short call a win is a win, right?

Speaker 1 (01:24:26):
Yeah?

Speaker 13 (01:24:27):
Okay, So I'm gonna be a Lenny Belichick.

Speaker 29 (01:24:30):
Oh well, we're moving forward to a week from tomorrow.

Speaker 27 (01:24:34):
We have to focus on the Giants, right.

Speaker 1 (01:24:37):
Good impression.

Speaker 15 (01:24:38):
So question I looked.

Speaker 13 (01:24:41):
Up their record?

Speaker 21 (01:24:42):
Are they two and ten?

Speaker 1 (01:24:44):
Correct?

Speaker 29 (01:24:45):
Okay?

Speaker 9 (01:24:45):
So question is this going to be a trap game?

Speaker 28 (01:24:51):
Yeah?

Speaker 29 (01:24:52):
That I wish you guys the best.

Speaker 9 (01:24:55):
You take care.

Speaker 1 (01:24:56):
I mean, I think that's kind of what we're just
talking about like that.

Speaker 6 (01:24:58):
I think it is a tra I think this week
was you're looking forward to the buying.

Speaker 16 (01:25:03):
No.

Speaker 7 (01:25:03):
I think when you, yeah, when you have something that
you're looking your head too, and you're playing someone in
fear out time, that's that's to me the definition of
a trap. You're playing a bad team when you're looking
forward to a bye.

Speaker 1 (01:25:14):
Now.

Speaker 7 (01:25:15):
I think that I don't have any data on this.
I'd i'd like to see it teams that are heading into.

Speaker 1 (01:25:22):
The bye but the Giants are heading into the bye two.

Speaker 3 (01:25:24):
But the Giants. The Giants are two and ten.

Speaker 7 (01:25:26):
The Giants are just playing a string out. Like Matt
came in and he made the comment about like, were
you surprised that the Bengals played like a little bit, Yeah,
And I was, especially with how badly they played.

Speaker 1 (01:25:38):
I thought, if they played well, maybe that you know,
you know, you kick up.

Speaker 3 (01:25:41):
But they played so.

Speaker 7 (01:25:42):
Poorly at times in this game. But they just kept fighting,
they kept scrapping.

Speaker 1 (01:25:46):
Well that was to me, winning the line of scrimmage.

Speaker 6 (01:25:47):
I mean, that's where you see whether or not a
team came to play or not, Like whether or not
a cornerback is like good point tonight, and they were
ready to get into But you.

Speaker 5 (01:25:57):
Were surprised by Cincinnati. You're not surprised by the Giants
because of the way they have been quote fighting over them.

Speaker 7 (01:26:03):
I was surprised that the Giants kept I mean the
Bengals kept playing, you know, like I would have thought
for sure when Flack go through the inexplicable handoff to
Marcus Jones, that that would be game, you know, And
it wasn't. Like they they were able to stop them
and force a field goal at the end of the half,
and stop them at the beginning of the third quarter,
you know, you know, after they had you know, had

(01:26:25):
go three and out to punt.

Speaker 3 (01:26:26):
I was surprised.

Speaker 22 (01:26:28):
Patriots gave them opportunities to stay in the game by
not catching it.

Speaker 1 (01:26:32):
I was surprised.

Speaker 7 (01:26:34):
I am, Like you asked that question right off the top,
and my answer is yes, I knew that this was
like a desperation game for the Bengals because they looked
at it as if we can somehow. I mean, you
know who's in first place in that division now, right, Baltimore?

Speaker 6 (01:26:45):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (01:26:46):
You know, like then, that's the way the Bengals looked
at this is that team stinks and we're going to
catch them because they're going to come back to us.
If we can win out, we can catch Pittsburgh. Correctly,
now that's probably out the window for Cincinnati, but you know,
Baltimore was right there six and five place.

Speaker 5 (01:27:02):
All right, Jake, how's South Beach looking right now?

Speaker 3 (01:27:04):
I could use that one, Johnny South Peach, bro what's up.

Speaker 29 (01:27:10):
Outy? Everyone just calling in for a tiny bit of
sort of what I would call like faller on Faller crime.
Not gonna tell anybody else how to feel about a victory.
I generally feel okay, But what I will say is
that the Bankers were down like their four best offensive
players and almost scored a touchdown on us with seconds

(01:27:33):
leaning we lost potentially three excellent players. So I'm just
kind of like, I don't know why people would be
confused as to why some folks might feel a little
less than psyched about the way this victory happened. Yes,
a w is fantastic, but they are not all created ego.

Speaker 28 (01:27:53):
In my opinion, stuff.

Speaker 5 (01:27:55):
That's yeah, all said, thank you, Johnny.

Speaker 1 (01:27:58):
I guess as a head coach you district with him
on that.

Speaker 22 (01:28:01):
I guess as a head coach would disagree with the
phyic victory phrase hard to win.

Speaker 1 (01:28:06):
I know Paul loves that line.

Speaker 7 (01:28:08):
No, I just my thing is today, like I understand
why fans are a little bit disappointed to get it,
but not because of the game, but because of the injuries.

Speaker 3 (01:28:18):
Yes, like that to me, like, it's different, what can
derail you?

Speaker 7 (01:28:22):
What is one of the biggest in my view anyway,
one of the biggest things that's been on their side
is they're playing against a lot of teams that are
coming in at well below full full strength.

Speaker 3 (01:28:31):
You're not one of them right now.

Speaker 7 (01:28:32):
The next game that you play, you're gonna be at
less than full strength.

Speaker 3 (01:28:37):
That's sort of worrisome.

Speaker 20 (01:28:38):
Sure.

Speaker 5 (01:28:39):
And also, Mike ree I just looking at this week
from Mike Crease, he said, Mike Grabel, as we know,
usually ways outside of the locker room and greets every
single player postgame, but this one, it looks like he
went straight to the locker room, possibly to check on
Will Campbell. Of course the first fly thing. There are
three guys here, but he's only checking on Campbell. But
I again, Reese just kind of reporting he went in
there most likely to check on all of the players
that were injured in this one.

Speaker 1 (01:29:01):
That's really interesting. And don't you find that significant?

Speaker 5 (01:29:04):
Yes, because it's been their routine over the last time.

Speaker 1 (01:29:06):
That's my point.

Speaker 22 (01:29:07):
And and and what Mike's done, which I agree with
one hundred percent. If after you know, every game hasn't
been alarping, you know where they you know, just come out,
put the pedal of the medal and win.

Speaker 3 (01:29:18):
Most of them haven't been.

Speaker 22 (01:29:19):
And he sits there and he goes, hey, be happy
we won, you know, you gotta win in the National
Football League's okay to be happy. We can celebrate this
for a couple of minutes. Let's be joyous.

Speaker 6 (01:29:27):
About this that didn't happen today, and they just the
Patriots just posted the Mike Crable sideline or the locker
room greeting guys look like in my in my opinion,
the vibe is very much like what you're saying, Matt.
It looks like a lot of guys who are exhausted
and not celebratory. And you know, it's just you know,

(01:29:47):
people can watch it and have their own opinion on
what they think, but it's definitely not the I mean
we've seen in the past. You know, even last week,
I felt like I get a win over the Jets
and that wasn't but you could feel like it's the excitedness.

Speaker 1 (01:29:58):
But these ones look like a lot of tired guys
who just fought a battle that that you know because
they did so because they did.

Speaker 7 (01:30:04):
But Man, when you came in and one of the
things that you said was that Mike didn't get into
the injuries, so he didn't have any jurn update on anything.
That in itself to me told told me that it
was serious and be different than what normally happens. You know,
I'm not telling you. He comes in and says, well,

(01:30:24):
you know, it's like Tom, he's got a Grade three sprain, like,
he doesn't do that. But he's usually pretty forthcoming, you know,
with what's going on. He's very forthcoming on Fridays. Yes,
but even after the games he's generally telling, yeah, you
know that one we'll have to look at, you know,
we'll see. He had no updates on this one. That

(01:30:47):
tells me that this concern at the very least, this concern.

Speaker 6 (01:30:51):
Yeah, Hunter Henry a little bit of a smirt, but
otherwise guys look like and they are exhausted and just beat.

Speaker 7 (01:30:57):
So it's me and again, I like me personally. I
can't tell fans how they should feel. This has got
a lot less to do with how I feel about
how they played.

Speaker 1 (01:31:07):
I don't think they played exceptionally well today.

Speaker 7 (01:31:09):
I've been pushing back every week when people have been saying, well, jeez,
they play they're winning well. They aren't even playing their best.
I think they've played pretty good for most of these games.
Today they didn't, and they found a way to win.
That's impressive. That is that's impressive to find a way.
I know the other team played worse. I'm not saying
that you played you know, again, the seven Patriots today,

(01:31:30):
you didn't. You played a terrible team who was missing
most of their good players. But you did what you
had to do to find a way to win while
guys were dropping like flies.

Speaker 3 (01:31:38):
That's impressive to me.

Speaker 22 (01:31:40):
You know what, Paul, you mentioned that. It was something
I was thinking about earlier today. Again, say what you
want about it, but ten game winning streaks don't happen
very often in the National Football League, and I was
thinking about this. For Mike, we're able to coach it's
a ten game winning streak. As a player, he was
on a team that won eighteen games in a row.
Like those things don't happen very often. You know, That's

(01:32:02):
that's pretty interesting that you know he's been able to
do that.

Speaker 1 (01:32:05):
I don't. I don't know. Maybe they are. Maybe ten
game winning streaks are common, but.

Speaker 3 (01:32:09):
I don't think it's common. I mean, there's two teams
that have won nine in a row, well eight in a.

Speaker 1 (01:32:13):
Row whatever right right now.

Speaker 7 (01:32:15):
But to me, I'm far more just like Rabel, just
his ability to get this team focused like, I think
he's done a fantastic I made map before you came in.
Just some little things that he did in the game
today that were sort of broke from the norm of
what we've been seeing most weeks. Kick some field goals
today because it was apparent that points were hard to

(01:32:39):
come by today. Your coaches got something going on. Your
coaches in tune with what's going on. He knows his team,
knows the situations. You know, I'm not saying I don't
go as far as these other guys, like teams would
no one would want to switch play. Yeah, I think
there's there's plenty of teams that like their situations too.
But if I were the Patriots, I'd be very happy
with the situation there ten and two, with a coach

(01:33:01):
who has his finger on the pulse of everything that's.

Speaker 3 (01:33:03):
Going on in that locker round, every guy in the rush.
I think.

Speaker 7 (01:33:06):
I think that they've shown the ability to win in
some different ways, and and he's shown the ability to
do it in different ways, which I think it's impressive.

Speaker 6 (01:33:16):
And I mean, I get look, I feel the same
way that the fans calling in you feel overwhelmingly positive
about the season right now, But Please don't look at
us taking apart their games to say that we feel
negative about this team.

Speaker 3 (01:33:28):
But I'm looking at the number one more. I'm not
looking at it they want.

Speaker 6 (01:33:32):
I don't care about the wins about.

Speaker 7 (01:33:36):
I don't care about the sid staff, the notes don't
do anything for me. But you get the number one seed,
you win the AFC East, you get home playoff games.
That does something for me. That gives me some juice
heading into the playoffs, knowing that I can be at home,
I can win a game and be in the AFC
Championship game, you know, like that's that's big stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:33:55):
No one, no one really expected that.

Speaker 22 (01:33:57):
And so those goals right now, those achievements, those are
on the table.

Speaker 1 (01:34:02):
Yes, they're on the table. With five games left.

Speaker 7 (01:34:04):
You could argue that they'd have to blow it to
not get some of those things. I'm not saying the
number one seed, but to win the AFC East, that's
in your hands. Like I said earlier, just don't lose
to the Jets or Dolphins and you're going to win
the AFC East.

Speaker 6 (01:34:17):
Yeah, but that's what's a little intriguing to me of
what you have the opportunity to do. But it feels like,
you know, to get the number one seed, I feel
like they're going to have to like reassert themselves, maybe
with a little bit of a new identity to you know,
win out or potentially maybe just lose one more game
to get to that point.

Speaker 1 (01:34:33):
I mean, I like what Paul's saying.

Speaker 6 (01:34:35):
They could probably play a fact similar to what these
games have been and beat the Jets and the Dolphins
at the end of the season. But I don't know
if those are good enough to win on the road
in Baltimore.

Speaker 7 (01:34:45):
But if you lose to Buffalo and Baltimore, you're still
forcing Denver to win games. You're still forcing Indy to
win games, you know, And that's not like you guys
keep telling me how hard just to win games, So
ain't gonna be easy for them to win neither?

Speaker 22 (01:35:00):
Didn't you say, Mike, Did I hear you saying the
pregame show that you've got to you got to make
sure that the champ is dead, Like seven times they
were on the ropes and they found a.

Speaker 1 (01:35:09):
Way to win. You know, it's a big game for
the Patriot. I'll be interested to go back and positive.

Speaker 5 (01:35:15):
Yes, yes, for Kansas, but I think to the point.
Even the caller that said New England is very much
known for being negative after a win and.

Speaker 1 (01:35:27):
San Diego exactly, I was not watched.

Speaker 7 (01:35:31):
I don't see that, and I don't really think. I
don't think our fans. I don't think that's a.

Speaker 5 (01:35:35):
Correct That's what I was going to say. I don't
agree with it, but I.

Speaker 7 (01:35:37):
Don't think even today, I don't think that's a correct
assessment of the way the fans have been. The fans
a little worried about the health, yeah, and I don't
think they're worried about being ten and two.

Speaker 5 (01:35:45):
No, And that's the point that was going to make.
Just overall, I think what we have the building the
legacy segment for a reason. With every win, you still
want to know what can this team do to get better?
And that's why shows like this exists, because you want
to talk through it, see what can be approved upon.
That's what the coaches do on a weekly they we're going.

Speaker 1 (01:36:01):
To football game. There's wine. I mean, there's but that
you know everybody's right.

Speaker 3 (01:36:06):
Yet nine in a row.

Speaker 6 (01:36:07):
You've got ten wins on the season, on the season
that many people said if they get six or seven,
I'll be throwed you know, so you give them a
ton of credit. But again, as I.

Speaker 7 (01:36:15):
Would have thought, I was about the ceiling. To be honest,
I'll I'll cut myself out. If everything went well, I
would have said nine, would.

Speaker 6 (01:36:23):
Have would have That's what I said, nine and eight,
I mean, And I'm a pretty optimistic guy.

Speaker 1 (01:36:28):
And it's nine in a row, not ten wins in
a right.

Speaker 6 (01:36:31):
But still yeah, And I thought you were just teeing
it up, Matt for Monday night football.

Speaker 22 (01:36:35):
Because I think that that game is going to be
a dogfight. I do, But I think I think they're
now at the point time where you can't expect them
to just They're not going to cruise right now with
what's going on. I don't think they're going to be
able to. So it's how do you handle adversity? How
do you grind your way through it? That's what they're
gonna have to try to bear them.

Speaker 6 (01:36:52):
It'd be an amazing cap to the pre buy part
of this season to go out.

Speaker 1 (01:36:57):
On a Monday Night football in a national stage.

Speaker 6 (01:37:00):
I don't care who the Giants are, go out there
and get another win, get to eleven wins before your
bye week, and then get a break. See who can
get healthy, see how you can recruit mentally, and what
team are you to come out of that bye week
and say we got four games right now, it's everything's
on the play for us. Every we put ourselves in
position to achieve any goal we want. As far as
getting into the playoffs, playoff seasons, all that thing, it's

(01:37:22):
all right there.

Speaker 1 (01:37:23):
I just it'd be great.

Speaker 6 (01:37:25):
To finish it off with a win here at home,
good point, in front of a national audience. We know
the juice that comes with that, all the you know,
all the game conversations, you know, the videos that go
out everything. You know, it's a much bigger audience. People
are here are going to be psyched. I mean, it's
it's been a while since you've had some Monday night
game with some juice here. So you know, I'm not
going to try to get too carried away thinking about
Baltimore and Buffalo and the division and the conference and

(01:37:46):
all those things. Let's just focus on finishing up this
part of the schedule, right, Get that tenth straight win, perfect,
nice little roun number.

Speaker 1 (01:37:52):
Get to eleven and two. We'll see what happens week
to week.

Speaker 5 (01:37:56):
So we like to hear any final thoughts, prayers.

Speaker 1 (01:37:58):
I just get cerned.

Speaker 3 (01:38:00):
That was a.

Speaker 5 (01:38:05):
I think it did well. That does it. For this
week's edition of The Patriots Postgame Show presented by DraftKings
from Matt Matt Smith, Paul Parillo, Mike du So, and
myself Kawandi Luinis. Thank you for watching and have a
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