Patriots Postgame Show 11/24: Full Analysis of Patriots 34-15 Loss to the Dolphins

Tune-in as we break down everything that stood out from the Patriots 34-15 loss to the Miami Dolphins in week 12. We bring you the good, the bad and the injured. Plus, we replay postgame press conferences from Jerod Mayo and Drake Maye.

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Speaker 5 (01:37):
And we welcome you inside. You Letts Stadium in Foxboro, Massachusetts,
where the Patriots have just finished off losing to the
Miami Dolphins by a score of thirty four thirty four
to fifteen in a game that probably wasn't as close
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podcasts at Patriots dot com. Paul, give me a little
instant analysis of this one.

Speaker 4 (02:06):
Please, just really a non competitive game. It wasn't really
competitive after the Patriots' second drive of the day, and
then then all the penalty started to come. A flurry
of those kind of short circuited you. And from that
time when Tua took the ball for his second drive
of the game, you would never competitive defensively. It was

(02:29):
an avalanche.

Speaker 6 (02:30):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (02:31):
Michael, Yeah, I just heck of what Paul said. I mean,
there's really not a whole lot to break down. I mean,
I just I thought that second quarter, all of a sudden,
it was just the Miami offense that I thought we
were going to see today, which was not chunk plays,
but like just seemed like ten yards ten yards run past.
They you know, kind of had their way with the
Patriots defenses. I was worried that they might, and they

(02:54):
did exactly what what I thought they might.

Speaker 5 (02:56):
And yet we will break it down, Mike, we will
break it down in all aspects.

Speaker 7 (03:00):
Right.

Speaker 5 (03:01):
I think this was a step back today. Is that
a fair statement to make?

Speaker 2 (03:04):
Hundred percent? I mean that's what they said a couple
weeks ago with Alex man Pelt felt like they had
a couple, you know, a couple of steps back two
weeks ago. Last week they felt like they took a
step forward, and now we're you know, so you're in
the cliche right now. I don't know if it's even
two steps forwards. It's a step forward, a step back,
a step you know, it's hard to really track the progress.

Speaker 4 (03:22):
Yeah, I agree with Mike. It's you know that the
we keep talking about the penalties and the self inflicted wounds,
and listen, when you're you're chasing and you're dealing with
a more talented team, you're going to get some penalties.
But the false starts just won't stop. It's like four
of them in the you know, in the early part
of the game. Your pass protection is an issue. I

(03:44):
know a lot of people felt like, you know, the
whole well, you get the same five guys out there.
This isn't their fault. I'm going to for you know,
eighth ninth, tenth week in a row. I'm not going
to put this on the individuals that are out there playing.
They just don't have enough, they don't have enough talent
to deal with these teams on a week two week basis.
And this was a total dominating effort by my by

(04:05):
a four and six Miami team. By the way, it's
not you know, you didn't get dominated by the Lions,
who are running rough shot over the league. So there's
a long way to go.

Speaker 5 (04:15):
And we got to bring it up because the penalties
I think are the number one storyline of the game.
But the quarterback definitely took a step back today. He
did not play well.

Speaker 2 (04:24):
No, you know, it's unfortunate, and you know, again, like
I mean, I don't want to make too big a
deal of the turnovers, as I feel like at that
point you're just you're kind of gun in it. But
we did talk about it at the beginning that those
are something he's got to clean up. That was a
big part of it. I just thought, I agree with
you guys. Overall, he was he wasn't sharp today and
was never really able to get that rhythm other than
that that second drive. That second drive, they overcame some penalties,

(04:46):
you know, they showed a little bit there, but that
was really the only meaningful drive when the game was
still competitive.

Speaker 5 (04:51):
And I don't want to beat a dead horse here, Mike,
but we talked about this, you know, when the game
was still sort of I mean, there's an argument to
be made a fortunate enough and that the game was over,
but there were times in the first half where the
score was still in reach and he just there was
a couple of throws that Drake had that just you know,
it was the oh what are those kind of throws?

Speaker 7 (05:10):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (05:10):
Yeah, you know, And that's where I'm talking about the turnovers. Yeah,
maybe he's trying to make a play. I don't like
holding the ball out at one point in time where
he got it knocked out of his hands. You know,
we talked about there was a quarterback many moons ago
in Miami who suffered a similar fate in his first
game in Miami. He seemed to do okay and bounce
back from that, but it's just not a great it
was not great play out of him today, and it

(05:30):
just sort of followed the whole script with the way
the team played.

Speaker 2 (05:34):
Yep, absolutely, I mean to me, I got I gotta
chime in with a red zone yes, yes, please?

Speaker 8 (05:38):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (05:40):
The Commander's just hit a bomb to Terry McLaurin with
like under thirty seconds left, like eighty yard touchdown to
potentially tie the Cowboys game.

Speaker 5 (05:48):
Red zone.

Speaker 2 (05:49):
Paul, this is unbelievable, and it looks like Jane Daniels
is dancing it's a Paul.

Speaker 9 (05:57):
Song and jumping up and down.

Speaker 6 (05:59):
Looks he's watching the plays from some modern games.

Speaker 4 (06:05):
That's when the shock gets really name.

Speaker 10 (06:09):
And dance sound.

Speaker 5 (06:10):
You know, Paul's watching the red zone. And if we think,
who can we thank for that?

Speaker 4 (06:16):
Matt?

Speaker 5 (06:16):
I'm sure that this has been discussed in a prior administration, But.

Speaker 2 (06:20):
What do we uny Moons?

Speaker 4 (06:21):
You don't want to ask why hardy?

Speaker 7 (06:23):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (06:24):
Oh he did it? Okay? Great?

Speaker 4 (06:25):
Yeah, I mean one more thing that he can make it?
Can I be forgiven? You know, I'm take taking the
red zone in a little bit. And he missed the
extra point. The extra point. Ooops, Dallas is gonna survive.
Holy smokes. Oh man, So I mean cruel game. You
just look around the league. It's twenty seven to twenty

(06:45):
seven Minnesota Chicago heading to overtime. This should have been
twenty seven, twenty seven years twenty seven to twenty six.
The Kansas City Chiefs just kicked a walk off, walk
off field goal to go thirty to twenty seven. Tennessee
comes away out of Houston with a thirty two to
twenty seven went and the Patriots thirty four to fifteen
eight game that was never competitive from the second quarter on.

Speaker 5 (07:07):
And that's Paul's trip around the league.

Speaker 4 (07:09):
No, it's like every one of these games is not
only close, but you know there's points on the board
on both sides. It's back and forth. It's and we
we can't have nice things.

Speaker 5 (07:20):
Mike, Well, that's part of the discouragement as far as
today is concerned, because you would have liked just seen
a better effort. And so with that, Matt, let's hit
the I guess the good, the bad, and.

Speaker 2 (07:30):
The now time for the good. God, it was mostly
but they but the good the bad?

Speaker 4 (07:38):
What happened and the injured. Ah ah, you are right guy,
all right, time out for the good, the bad, and
the injured.

Speaker 5 (07:49):
Does anybody want to step up and put somebody in
their good category? Mike, I'm looking at you for a
good person that'd be a good person.

Speaker 2 (07:57):
Well, uh, you know, I I I don't really have
anybody to to highlight here, to be honest, I mean,
I you know a couple of plays that I liked.
I mean even Barmore sack. I felt like was a
little bit late in the down and felt kind of
like it was a covered sack, not so much him winning.
So uh yeah, I don't. I mean, Gonzalez had a
nice pick up and run.

Speaker 4 (08:18):
So I'll save you, Mike, I would just say, I
would just say that I had individual plays. I didn't
have anything in two of them you just mentioned. Barbara
was sack and Gonzales had one pass defense in an
otherwise not good day for him.

Speaker 5 (08:33):
And to be fair, there were two decent Drake may plays.
A touchdown play I think people will say, okay, he's
not on the list, but there was a third and
nine play where he hit Kendrick Bourne, where he moved
outside a little bit and he hit Born. I just
want to make sure in the interest of being fair.

Speaker 4 (08:48):
Yeah, but we don't like like I had Antonio Gibson,
you know, for the couple of little runs that he
gave him. Oh, Dallas is going to return the on
side kick for a touchdown. That game is icky blukis,
as they like to say. Thanks. So I would just
say that that was a bad play by the Dallas
guy for running it back. But you know it's neither

(09:09):
here nor there now the game is still going. Just
so you know, they're only up eight now right right,
and the.

Speaker 5 (09:15):
S Alonzo's Stags actually standing there going why they run
it back to question of the special teams coach anyway,
please continue with Antonio Gibson.

Speaker 4 (09:22):
But I'm being serious, like that's a bad play by
the guy for Dallas. Yes, you catch the ball and
fall down. The game's over right now, You're going to
be up eight and Washington is going to get the
ball back with fourteen seconds the field. He just threw one.
So yeah, I had Antonio Gibson early in the game.
I thought he made a couple of plays. I think
he was you know, Mike said the second drive they

(09:42):
overcame the penalty I think they had a holding call
on the first drive, and he picked up like fourteen
yards on second and sixteen I think, which allowed an
easy third down conversion. But I wouldn't put him on
you know, I don't. I don't think he had a
particularly good game. I think he made a couple of
good plays, but he didn't make any bad ones. And

(10:02):
I thought Christianellis had really good coverage on a chen
you know, on an underthrown ball in the end zone.
But he was made a nice play to come and
break up the pass and prevent a touchdown. But I
don't have anybody on my good list, not not a
single person. Okay, we made maybe Austin Hooper, Yeah, but
even then, like the play was that busted plays?

Speaker 5 (10:22):
Yeah, Okay, that leads us too. If there's not a
lot of good, does that mean there's a lot of bad.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
I think there is a further request to some of
the fans last week, try to stay specific and not
put everybody under a banner.

Speaker 5 (10:32):
Okay, I didn't hear that. I didn't get that request.
Requests was that doing?

Speaker 2 (10:36):
Maybe that was pu but no, I just I don't
want to I don't want to minimize it. I think
I'm going to start with, is Viderian Low first third
down of the game false start? I just thought that
set a tone immediately. It's third and three, it's manageable, yep.
It goes from third and three to third and eight.
That was just the start of his roughest day. We've
been talking about getting him back, getting him healthy, you know.

(10:57):
I mean, he's the best option you have at left tackle,
and I think as we're seeing today it's it's limited
even at that. So I'll just stick with Viderian Low only.
I think he ended with two false starts and a
hold as well, so three penalties just for him. And
it's all started with the very first third down of
the game, which I think we all know is is
a significant moment in a game.

Speaker 5 (11:16):
So I'm going to ask this question, which I think
I asked. I don't know if it was answered. We
talk often about repeat offenders, and I'm not trying to
say that all players are created equal, but when Ramandre
Stevenson has a fumbling problem them there's cause and effect
and he must go and sit for at least a
little bit. He didn't sit for a lot, but he sat.

(11:38):
There's cause and effect when somebody like Lowe has this
kind of a performance today, even though you're trying to
maintain some continuity on the offensive line, Must you or
do you need to make a change to just show
that we won't tolerate repeat offenders. I'm asking the question.

Speaker 2 (11:54):
I mean, I would say yes if there was anywhere
to go. I just don't think there's there are options
unless you want to put de Mantree Jacobs, who I'm
assuming he's about to pop on up on this list
as well.

Speaker 4 (12:04):
Yeah, left, Yeah, he would be my first guy. I
thought he got absolutely dominated by a rookie, so that's
rookie on rookie. Uh chop Robinson. I thought completely owned him,
and like Mike said, you know there's also a number
of penalties on him too, Yes, you know, holds false starts.
So I think he eventually came out of the game
and City so went in and tackle.

Speaker 11 (12:24):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (12:25):
I don't think they have anywhere to go, and that's
that's the problem. Kayden Wallace, if he were healthy, you know,
I would have him out there playing to see if
he could do better. But they don't have any They
don't have any answers.

Speaker 5 (12:37):
Okay, you want to continue down.

Speaker 2 (12:38):
Mike, Sure, I mean I'll just kind of continue Anthony Jennings,
I mean I had him initially for a good play
on a run stop, but then just the third down,
the neutral zone infraction, which, like I'm sick of watching
the Patriots offense try to get like, no one's going
to jump for that, guys, and then Anthony Jennings, like,
I couldn't believe it.

Speaker 4 (12:55):
It was so apparent that they weren't going to snap
the ball. I could not believe that he jumped off.

Speaker 2 (12:59):
Set and that one play alone, for me, is enough
to put him on there. It might, I mean it
might have been the only defensive penalty they had the
whole game. I'm not sure exactly, all right, but you know,
still just that kind of play, it can't happen again.
Another guy that you resigned to a three year deal,
you're hoping to emerge and be a leader on the team,
and you know, just it's stupid mental mistakes.

Speaker 5 (13:20):
That's what Low's stuff was.

Speaker 2 (13:21):
That's all with Jacob. Stupid mental mistakes and those are
the kind of things at this time of year that
are just unacceptable.

Speaker 5 (13:27):
Paul, what would you like to add, Well.

Speaker 4 (13:31):
I thought the at the risk of drawing the ire
of the people said, we don't get specific. I thought
the secondary again, it was just over over their heads
and it was all of them. It was Gonzales on
some man to man's on third downs, Wattle was winning easily.
Then after that, I thought it was Marcus Jones, you know,

(13:52):
really couldn't couldn't handle his assignments either. And the safeties
had no answers with John hu Smith. So you want
to talk individually about all of these guys, sure, I
just thought they were Jonathan Jones. I didn't mention him either.
He wasn't He wasn't an answer either. So I just
the secondary to me didn't have any any answers to

(14:14):
the Miami passing game. And it was across the board.

Speaker 5 (14:16):
Can I mention, how was something else defensively that I
you know, I wouldn't put at the top of the list.
They did not tackle well today. It was a poor
tackling day, and.

Speaker 2 (14:25):
I think that that's always indicative of just your kind
of overmatch.

Speaker 4 (14:30):
They weren't close enough to tackle well. Yeah, I agree
with you. I'm not and I'm not dismissing I agree
with you.

Speaker 5 (14:36):
And there was an opportunity. I don't think the tackling
was just out.

Speaker 4 (14:39):
Of position, you know, for the most part. And yet
we actually see a couple of good tackles here on
the clip. But I mean this like just you're not
close enough to make that tackle sho out of the
goal line, and that's a problem.

Speaker 2 (14:50):
It's just this is I mean, this is what we
saw second third quarter last week against the Rams. It's
the same thing this week, and crunch time it's ten
yards of play. It's just right down the field. There's
no negative plays. There's no real impact. I mean every
now and then they pop up and you're you know,
or the other team makes a penalty and that helps.
But you know, just in terms of we talk about

(15:11):
advanced stats like DVOA, like like they're gonna be the
worst defense in the league of dv AWAY because on
a per play basis, they just they do not make
negative impact plays. Everything is at least two three yards
and even some of those plays where it felt like
they had it snuffed out, guys are still picking up
extra yards. I remember one with I think it was
a chain who like it looked like he dropped for
three yards, but somehow he gets to eight stumbling, bubbling,

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can't get.

Speaker 4 (15:32):
Into the ground.

Speaker 2 (15:32):
It's your tackling stuff. Man.

Speaker 4 (15:34):
I agree, I agree, And the tackling wasn't good and
mixed in with that secondary and I know it's hard
to get pressure on to it, but my god, they didn't.
They weren't anywhere even close.

Speaker 5 (15:44):
So his pass rush on eithers on anybody's list. Oh yeah,
And I know that that's that's general. So you're telling
me that the that the viewers and the callers don't
want to hear that, But there was it was non existent.

Speaker 2 (15:54):
No, And that's I mean, I think that's the only
way to do the pass rush. But how many times
did you feel like guys get to him, like to
it just sitting there, you know, like I can get
it like Miami's offense when that first read is there,
it's it's almost impossible. But there were a couple of
times where he had to go through it a little bit.
But there was no I agree, my pressure or impact
by the defense. It was more just a question of

(16:14):
were they able to execute the pass or not not
was it impacted at all by a patriot.

Speaker 4 (16:18):
There was a couple of times that it looked like
he was looking around and you're like, oh, they got
a chance here, like they took away the first read
and then no, there's a guy wide open and he
just you know, he waited to clear and waddle comes free. Yeah.
They just didn't have any answers defensively at all, I
mean largely. I mean, I hate to sound like it's

(16:41):
really being negative, but I just don't think they were
very competitive.

Speaker 5 (16:45):
It was non competitive for sure for the first half
as whole game.

Speaker 4 (16:49):
It was non competitive for the whole game defensively.

Speaker 5 (16:51):
Okay, was it as non competitive as they've been all year?

Speaker 4 (16:55):
I be yeah, oh yeah. I mean I say for.

Speaker 5 (16:57):
The Jets game.

Speaker 2 (16:58):
I go back to the Jets game, but.

Speaker 4 (17:00):
They took their quarterback out with over eleven minutes left.

Speaker 2 (17:03):
Right right, and you guys know me, like, I think
that says a lot at Jets at Miami. Those are
two games in the division.

Speaker 4 (17:13):
You're very consistent with this mine. It tells you where
you're at.

Speaker 2 (17:16):
It tells you where you're at. Look at some of
these other games around here. I mean, look at Tennessee
and Houston. Tennessee just put up thirty points. It's not
forty games since the Patriots have put up forty points.
You know, they they aren't able to compete in the
division right now. I don't know what it's going to
look like up in Buffalo in a couple of weeks,
but that to me's the measuring stick. How do you
do in the division and you got basically non competitive

(17:38):
on two of the three road games you played to
du What else do you have on your dad specifically.

Speaker 5 (17:45):
Missing a big one.

Speaker 2 (17:46):
Well, I mean we want to dive into the coaching
of it all. Is that you want to talk about
Drake May Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll put him on. I mean,
you know, I look, at some point he's got to
start to grow up. And I mean I just I
just relay it to look. He can have off games,
that's understandable, but the turnovers, that's the stuff that it
just can't keep happening. And so now when we have
multiple turnover games, he's gonna end up on the batt list.

(18:08):
Like I'll look the other way for you know, a
month of your first season. But at some point he's
got to start to cut down on those.

Speaker 4 (18:15):
In olymps, Yeah, to me, today was less about and
I get everything that Mike is saying, but to me,
it was less about turnovers. I thought he looked shaky
and unsettled. Really after that second drive. That second drive,
I thought he looked just like, this is the guy
we've seen for six six starts or whatever it's been.
Then I thought they started to get around him a
little bit. He was double clutching on some throws. That

(18:39):
thought he looked comfortable. I thought he threw a number
of passes sort of against the grain today that you know,
could have been should you know, might have been, could
have been, and you know, he got away with most
of them. I don't know. I don't know if he was,
you know, sort of feeling the effects of the rush.
Certainly Chop Robinson had his way with with Trey Jacobs

(18:59):
and that could not have made him comfortable. But I
thought his pocket awareness today was not good. I thought
he looked shaky for certainly the last three quarters. You know,
we take that one drive away where I thought he
looked like himself. You know, I don't want to call
it a step back, but I don't think this was
one of his better games.

Speaker 5 (19:17):
And with all that being said, and I agree with
everything you're saying, at the risk of putting some perfume
on a pig. Does Drake get a little uh maybe
grated a little bit differently in a curve? He stayed
out and he did compete. You know, the touchdown throw
was a pretty good throw. You know, he kept it alive.

Speaker 4 (19:34):
I didn't like anything that I saw from Drake keeping.

Speaker 5 (19:36):
Him out there. On the one fourth down that they
picked up again, I thought he looked like a fourth.

Speaker 4 (19:41):
Down they picked up. It was a touchdown. It was
more than fifteen.

Speaker 5 (19:44):
I thought there was another one that he picked up,
and there was another one that they didn't get. I
don't know. I just I like the fact.

Speaker 4 (19:50):
But was he supposed to, like just go to the
locker room? No he play anymore?

Speaker 5 (19:53):
Nope, he's not. But I thought he you know what,
I like the fact that he was able to stay
in there and go through the whole thing, all the
bad included.

Speaker 4 (20:02):
I would like it better if he dropped back, got
on his back foot, went through his progressions and hit
his receiver. That's what I wanted to see, and I
didn't see that once today.

Speaker 5 (20:11):
It was difficult with the pass rusher, and that.

Speaker 4 (20:14):
Might be everybody else's fault. I'm not saying that it's not.
He had like all the things that we've been saying
for him to this point, we're all true today too,
Like he doesn't have the greatest weapons, he doesn't have
the greatest protection, and they're putting things together. The defense
doesn't really give them much support. So all those things
is still true. I just thought he's looked better, like

(20:34):
certainly last week he looked better conventionally. Yes, that's what
got me so happy last week was it looked like
it's supposed to look. I know he can run around
and make that throw on fourth down today, I also
know I can't win games doing that. I cannot win
saying hey, hey, just go out and play school yard football,
run around and throw one up there because maybe their

(20:55):
two safeties will bite on the underneath one on fourth
and fifteen and leave the tight end by himself at
the three yard line. That ain't happening, and that's not
the consistent base, and that wasn't the eighty five.

Speaker 5 (21:05):
Beers that they were playing today defensively either.

Speaker 4 (21:08):
No, no, absolutely, And please don't take this as a
Paul's out on Drake May. There's nobody that's more in
on Drake May than me. I wanted to draft him again.
I will say this for the I don't know how
many weeks in a row over Jayden Daniels. I liked
him better than Jayden Daniels coming out. Nothing I've seen
since has convinced me that I'm wrong. I just don't.

(21:29):
I'm gonna start evaluating him like I'm right. He's the man,
He's the franchise. Act like it right, he's the franchise.
I didn't see the franchise today. And Matt made a
great point. He said it during the game when we
were watching. He said it and he alluded to it.
Just now. Tom Brady's first start in Miami was a disaster,

(21:51):
and it was a disaster.

Speaker 5 (21:52):
Crawling on his knees, trying to pick up the.

Speaker 4 (21:54):
Ball every bit as bad as what today was.

Speaker 5 (21:57):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (21:57):
So it doesn't mean that the first trip to Miami
has to mean well, he couldn't handle Miami. So there's
no hope. You know, I just don't think he was
great today. It wasn't. It wasn't a disaster. I mean
twenty was it twenty two? For thirty seven to twenty two?
A touchdown and a pick plus a fumble. I mean
not good, But you know it's not like, you know,

(22:19):
I think Tom Brady threw for like seventy yards in
that game, right, so you know I was starting to
greet him with the regular curve instead of the rookie curve.

Speaker 5 (22:28):
Yeah, all right, who else is on the bad list?
I think you so well?

Speaker 2 (22:34):
I think you know looked I'm getting a little bit
of a gerad and his press conference and he you know,
took responsibility for the penalties again, And I mean, I
think that's an easy place to, you know, start with
the coaching performance today. I might focus more on just
defense where it just doesn't feel like there's much brewin
right there. They last week you really got rolled over,
knew what you're going on up against this week, didn't

(22:56):
really have any answers to prevent it from happening two
weeks in a row. But I just I think overall,
you're seeing the sloppiness, the things that like you know,
we judged last year about these are not hallmarks of
a well coached team. Some of these mistakes that are
happening right now, and error repeaters. You said, Matt, like
this is starting to happen every week now. You're getting eight, nine,
ten penalties a week and it's just really hard when

(23:18):
you don't have talent to overcome those things.

Speaker 5 (23:20):
So you just two things here. I want to follow
up with you. One I couldn't agree with you more
on the on the penalties, I think that is a
reflection on the coaching staff, and I believe that if
he's looking himself in the mirror, I believe girod Mayo's
saying that this is a reflection on the staff. But
on the defense, they're not playing well. They played quite
poorly the last two weeks. They were poor today. I

(23:41):
just don't know what else they have, Mike they I mean,
I think their defense is getting exposed because they really
don't have anybody there. There's no guy who's gonna win
a match up one on one to try to get
pressure on the quarterback in the secondary. You know, when
you've got other weapons. If you wanted to take away Hill,
you wanted to take away Waddle on on plays, Jono
Smith is just living in the middle of the field

(24:02):
or wherever he was, doing whatever he wanted to do. They,
you know, the other team seemingly has an answer every
single time. If you make one move, they're going to
count to that almost every time. And I just don't
know if they've got the horses against a decent offense
to do anything to get in their way. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (24:18):
Maybe, uh, you know, maybe I'm maybe I took some
of that Chicago game a little bit too much the
heart of thinking that, you know, they could do some stuff,
and maybe you're right. I mean, I feel like the
line you're getting on is like they're just unfortuately by
most metrics. One of the bottoms were three defenses in
the league and there's nothing really they can do about
it over these last five.

Speaker 4 (24:36):
I would also feel better if, you know, if John O.
Smith beat them today, I'd be like, oh, you know,
you can't take away everything. They didn't take away anything. No,
they don't take away anything. They don't know.

Speaker 5 (24:45):
Would they run for today, Paul and it, But they didn't.

Speaker 4 (24:47):
I don't think they ran for a tremendou smile. But
they didn't really try it either.

Speaker 5 (24:51):
I heard McDaniel talk about that coming out of the
half that they wanted to re establish or establish the run.

Speaker 4 (24:56):
They didn't need to. They only ran for sixty five
yards today twenty so basically it was twenty one for
sixty seven yards. If you take out the Neil downs.
So they didn't run the ball well today, but they
didn't never really try to. They just said that we
can throw twelve yard passes all day because they can't
stop exactly it. And that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 7 (25:19):
You know.

Speaker 4 (25:19):
It's like, so jon O Smith ends up with whatever
it was, nine catches for eighty seven yards, but Waddle
has eight fo one hundred and forty four Tyreek Hill,
You'd think like, oh, you shut up, you're not really
like they just didn't really them and when you did,
when they did throw it, so it was complete five
for forty eight on six targets, so they didn't take
anything away. I don't know if they can play man

(25:40):
to man or not, but those throws almost all were
instantaneous and they're getting thrown two guys that.

Speaker 5 (25:46):
Are wide open as wide open yep.

Speaker 4 (25:48):
You know. So, like I said, I don't think they
were overully, overlly competitive on either side of the ball today,
Like I mean, I'm not when I say they weren't competitive,
I mean the results. I don't mean the f effort. No,
it's I think that the you know, Marcus Jones and
Christian Gonzalez and Jonathan Jones are not just letting the
guys go because they're not trying. That's not what I'm suggesting.

(26:09):
I just don't feel like they have any answers right
right now. Theirs are better than yours, and I think
that that's fairly obvious. Kind of it's almost a little
bit across the board.

Speaker 2 (26:18):
Yeah, I mean, you know, even we had a little
discussion before in the pregame show about the twenty ten
and twenty eleven team, and I went through some of
their rankings and it was, yeah, they were terrible in yards,
but they were up near the top and takeaways. You know,
there was always something with those defenses.

Speaker 4 (26:32):
In a takeaway today, Mike, don't be negative.

Speaker 2 (26:34):
But well, I'm saying, like, at least in the past,
you look at some of these poor defenses that all, right,
well there's something they do good, Like, these guys don't
do anything. There's nothing really to hang your hat on
with this defense.

Speaker 4 (26:44):
I mean they don't.

Speaker 2 (26:45):
I mean last year's defense even no matter what you say,
like they stopped the run, they stopped the run. Well,
this defense has nothing to hang their hat on. And
that's and that's really I mean, with five games together,
that that's probably the story, and.

Speaker 5 (26:55):
I think there's something situational to this two mic. I
think they caught Chicago at a great time, dysfunction going.

Speaker 2 (27:03):
On, coming two games into a losing streak, and defensive.

Speaker 5 (27:06):
Line problems, everything like that. Similarly, I think they caught
Miami at a terrible time. Miami's playing for something. They're
looking at the postseason. They've got a short week. I
was hoping that they were gonna look past the Patriots,
maybe even try and focus on Green Bay to keep
New England in the game. Today I was wrong. Underlined. Okay,
they put their foot down and put the pedal of
the metal and it was twenty four to nothing before

(27:27):
you even blinked. So that's where I'm talking about. Situationally,
you know, they caught Chicago at a good time. They
did not catch Miami at a good time.

Speaker 11 (27:35):
You know.

Speaker 5 (27:36):
Now, the question is what did Indianapolis scored six points
a day against Detroit at home?

Speaker 4 (27:40):
You know, and supposedly when you play the team after
they played Detroit, it's a good thing. But the last
time that happened, it wasn't a good thing.

Speaker 5 (27:47):
So but situationally, maybe they're catching the Colts at a
different time. I don't know. All right, have we emptied
the bad bucket list?

Speaker 4 (27:57):
No? I have Joey Sly on my bad list. You
have one good drive and you have a chance to
take the lead down in Miami, and he clanks one
off the upright forty five yards or not an overly
long kick? You mean, not a chip shot, but not
an overly long kick. You got to make that. Can't
hit the upright with that, and I have a knit
to pick. There's nothing that drives me more insane than

(28:17):
when a defensive back gets up and celebrates after the
guy he's covering drops a pass. And Marcus Jones did
that not once but twice today when O'Dell Beckham failed
to catch easy passes that he was not really in
good coverage on either time. The celebration I can't handle.
I don't like it. Yeah, it's a it's an old guy,
and I'll that I will take your slings and arrows.

(28:39):
I know you'll call me the old guy that doesn't
understand doesn't like to have fun. I do like to
have fun. I am very much involved with, you know, celebrations,
when you have the turnovers. Mike drives Mike crazy. When
they had the orchestrated turnover celebration in the end zone
all the time. I love those for the most part.
But when you're down twenty four to nothing and the

(29:01):
guy's fifteen twenty yards downfield with the ball right in
his hands, drops it and you get up and celebrate,
I'm not here for that.

Speaker 5 (29:08):
I just the only thing is you're you're picking on
Marcus Jones, and that's fine. Jalen Hawkins was doing the
same thing. He was celebrating as well.

Speaker 4 (29:15):
And he loves to Jalen Hawkins on the field.

Speaker 5 (29:17):
He was putting his finger up in the air and demonstrative,
and I'm with you.

Speaker 4 (29:21):
He didn't get beaten coverage though.

Speaker 5 (29:22):
I know I'm old school that way too.

Speaker 4 (29:25):
It drives me crazy. I don't care about the score.
I care about your performs, like if you if you
had good coverage on the play, and God Christianellis was
beaten on the play, but kept with it. On that
play to a Chan in the in the end zone.
He got his arm up was able to sort of,
you know, disrupt eight Chan enough to knock the ball away.

(29:47):
That's a good play. If you do that, I don't
want you to celebrate like Dion Sanders if you're down
twenty four something, but I don't mind you being excited
about making a play. Was competing?

Speaker 5 (29:57):
Was it or fourteen time? I do think this cor Matta,
I don't.

Speaker 4 (30:00):
I don't remember, but I don't. But what I'm saying
is it doesn't matter to me. It's my bad list.
It doesn't matter to me if you're happy here, if
you're happy about making a good defensive play, I don't mind.
Like that's not an easy play that Christianellis made. If
he's happy about that and it happened to be down
twenty four to nothing at the time, I don't need
you to be deon sanders celebration. But you made a

(30:22):
good play and you should be happy about it. I
have no problem with that. And he's struggled on when
the guy when the guy coveraged, when the guy that
you're covering is three yards in the clear and he
just drops the pass and you had nothing to do
with it, and you know that's nothing compared to it.
We get up with the with the number one single,
you know, like we're going to force the team to
punt for the first time.

Speaker 5 (30:43):
Like all year.

Speaker 4 (30:44):
Look look at the look at how open he is
on this play and it's just a drop. So I like,
those are the celebrations, and yes, Matt's point. The score
like really bugs me there, Like that's one. I would
be mad in a scoreless tie if you celebrated, but
the score makes it even worse.

Speaker 5 (31:03):
And it was twenty four to nothing of the time.
Do you have anything left on your list, sir?

Speaker 2 (31:07):
No, No, nothing specific.

Speaker 4 (31:08):
That's it for me.

Speaker 5 (31:09):
Okay, and injuries, I mean none of us are doctors.
I don't recall seeing it. Jordan was removed for so
we assume for performance.

Speaker 2 (31:17):
Right, Jacob's right tackle is removed for so excuse me, right,
But Jonathan Jones was heard, he came back in and
Sony Taki Taki. I don't think we saw him again.

Speaker 4 (31:27):
I don't remember seeing him back in. I didn't know
Jonathan Jones left the game, didn't I know?

Speaker 5 (31:30):
It slow?

Speaker 4 (31:32):
Yeah, that was all and Dougar was slow uh yet now,
but he was back in the game, turcked banged up.

Speaker 2 (31:38):
But I uh, but yeah, it didn't seem like there
was a.

Speaker 4 (31:41):
So what's that one? Yeah, I didn't. I didn't notice
the Taki taki. I did notice early in the game,
but I didn't really see Yeah, Douger, I think was
hurt a little bit there, but he came back in
the game.

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Speaker 5 (36:28):
He and welcome back to the Patriot's postgame Show presented
by DraftKings. The Patriots go to Miami and get thumped
thirty four to fifteen as a final. As the voice
just said, email and call us please. First email is
out from Nick and Phoenix, Arizona. Who wants to know, gentlemen.
I know that Matt believes Mayo should get more grace
with him being a rookie head coach, But what promise
has he shown this season? If he was a rookie quarterback,

(36:50):
he'd be equivalent to Bryce Young last year. I didn't
expect a great team this season, but getting thoroughly out
coach week after week is just playing bad bad challenges,
poor play calling, a plethora of penalties, et cetera. Is
a sign of a badly coached team. And I fear
what will happen next year, since there's no shot Mayo
was let go after next season. That is Nick from Phoenix,
a tad harsh just on the challenges today, Paul, I

(37:12):
know we talked about it at the time. We had
no problem with the challenge on the Wattle.

Speaker 4 (37:17):
No. I thought it was incompete, to be honest, I
still think it was incomplete.

Speaker 5 (37:20):
So did Jean Steratur by the way, who never disagrees
with the on the field ruling.

Speaker 4 (37:25):
Now, and this was you could make an argument either
way on the on the decision to challenge, because there
was a penalty on the Patriots anyway, so it was
going to be a first and ten no matter what.
But it was a difference of about fourteen yards. I
think it was a nineteen yard catch. It would only
been a five yard defensive holding call. But I didn't
think that makes he made that catch. I thought the

(37:46):
ground helped him make the catch. The ball doesn't move,
but I thought, right here, the ball is on the ground,
and that helped him make the catch. That's the way
I looked at it. But in other words, I didn't
have a problem with Jerrodmeyo challenging, not even though we
lost it. Everything else that the emailer said is the penalties.
Penalties will not change. They have not changed. Correct it.

(38:07):
At some point something's got to change, and it doesn't.
And I don't know what the answer is. I don't know.
I don't always. I know everybody else does. Like penalized
teams that's both pully coached at least penalized. That that's
I don't know. I don't really look at it that way.
But the fact of the matter is that this team
is heavily penalized, and a lot of the penalties are

(38:28):
pre snap which are completely benible, no question.

Speaker 5 (38:32):
Brendan and Clinton, Connecticut writes, at what point does Drake
stop getting a pass from multiple turnovers every game? First
few games? I thought, no big deal, he's learning. The
show talks about players not being error repeaters. For the
most part, Drake has been an error repeater except with turnovers.
It's not a concern for me with it is a
concern with me with another turnovers. He's never going to
consistently win with multiple turnover games every single week. Ball

(38:54):
protection needs to become a bigger priority for the kid.
Thank you, says Brendan and Clinton. Paul, I think you're
moving if you haven't already moved to that side of
the street where you're saying it's now time to maybe
grade him a little bit differently.

Speaker 4 (39:06):
Well, I just feel, you know, like I would disagree
with the he hasn't been an error repeater. He has been,
and that's why he's turning the ball over. And there's
other players that are quote unquote turnover worthy that aren't turnovers.
They don't always show up in the turnover category. I
think that he is at times lacks awareness in the pocket,
not presence, like there's a difference. Yes, I think he

(39:27):
always has his eyes downfield looking to make play, but
the awareness is knowing went like there was a is
that the one Okay, that's not the one.

Speaker 5 (39:38):
Core decision.

Speaker 2 (39:38):
Okay, this is the tipped interception.

Speaker 4 (39:40):
That's the tipped interception. That's not the one. There was
another Ramsey blitz off the edge there that he gets
he got home and made the sack, and Matt and
I are looking like, how does he not see this coming? Yeah,
that's to me more pocket awareness. I think he can
be a little loose with the football at times, and yeah,
this is all part of the learning curve. And I'll

(40:01):
say this again, this is the Fred Kersh mantra that
that he and I are lockstep with. And I know
Mike you're you're with us too, and Evan as well.
This is why I wanted him to play from week
one because I'm hoping that by the time we're at
this stage of the season next year, we see very
little of these things because they've been sort of beaten

(40:22):
out of him, for a lack of a better term.
He understands what he can and can't do.

Speaker 5 (40:25):
Dean Liverpool the UK rights and we'll hit the phones
after this. The lack of discipline in this team is unacceptable.
During the second drive, three penalties seriously hurt us. The
team is depending on a twenty two year old to
save them, but he can't do everything alone. While fans
may focus on two turnovers, the reality is that he
was trying to make a play when his team was
facing a significant deficit and there wasn't much time left.

(40:46):
He needs to learn from this experience. I'm confident he will. However,
he was being let down by the rest of the
team that is deemed.

Speaker 4 (40:51):
Can I just say, you know, that's why I said today,
I don't think was about the turnovers, because the turnovers
were irrelevant today. He had nothing to do with the game.
The first three quarters, when he had a zero on
the board, had plenty to do with Drake May and
turnovers didn't have anything to do with that. This isn't
just about no help. He didn't play well today. The

(41:12):
offense didn't play well today, The offensive line let him
down today. All of the above all is true, but
it's somewhere in between those two emails is probably where
the truth lies, you know, And it's good because that's
what we should have. We should have, you know, sort
of debate going back and forth as to what we're seeing.

Speaker 5 (41:30):
Right Eight five five Pats five hundred is the number.
Elderd from North Carolina. You're first in the Patriots postgame
show presented by Draft Kings. Hi Eldred, Hey fellows, how
y'all doing okay? How are you.

Speaker 17 (41:43):
Okay?

Speaker 18 (41:44):
Jeff uh shell shock. But but it's like the announcers
and everybody is saying, and like we already know, we
just out manned in certain positions. We just out man
You got one one standout corner burnmore if he ever
get better. Then White showed up a couple of times,
but he got no linebackers. You really ain't got no

(42:05):
deep corners.

Speaker 10 (42:06):
So that's that.

Speaker 18 (42:07):
But Drake, Drake gonna beat Drake, so he gonna make
the mistakes that. Like I said, he's a rookie, y'all
might would just look for it.

Speaker 19 (42:14):
You know, he did.

Speaker 18 (42:14):
He did that in North Carolina. He's gonna do it here.

Speaker 8 (42:16):
But he's a playmaker.

Speaker 18 (42:17):
But he might get a little bit better because he's
doing better every week. Did I to hear them we
were doing in North Carolina? But those turner was gonna
come But Paul, Yes, Ain't it amazing how when people leave,
Like we didn't have to use Jonald Smith when we
had him, but he go down go to Atlanta then
to come to the Dolphins and show out.

Speaker 4 (42:39):
Yeah, I mean, he was a good player in Tennessee.
He was a good player in Atlanta, and he's a
good player now with Miami. He was not a good
player when he was at the Patriots, and that was
with a lot of different offensive coordinators. That wasn't just
you know, Matt Patricia, that was Josh McDaniels as well.
He I don't know if they just didn't understand how

(43:00):
to use his skill set or what it was. But
he certainly has had a nice, nice bounce back year
in Miami. He's played well for them.

Speaker 5 (43:07):
I don't want to take anything away from Jono Smith,
because I think you're right, Paul, he has had a
nice bounce back for them, and he gives him a
different weapon i'd like to see. I like to think
that a lot of people in between Waddle and Hill
would potentially thrive.

Speaker 4 (43:21):
Yeah, that's a nice spot to be. I'll say this,
They've had a lot of different tight ends over the years,
and none of them have thrived the way he has. Okay,
and I'll say that as number one and number two.
He's drived in Tennessee, yep, and he thrived in Atlanta.
You know. I think he had like fifty catches last year. Correct,
So this is not just a one off for him.

(43:42):
Because Wadal and Hill are taking up all the attention.
I don't know what the Patriots did with him. I
don't know what the answer to the question is as
to why it didn't work. I'm not you know, but
it didn't work, that's for sure. And he I still
see some of the things that I saw from him.
He doesn't always look he's a really good athlete. He

(44:03):
doesn't always look overly athletic with the ball in his
hands when he's runn you know what I mean. Yep,
I still see the stuff that we used to sort
of say why it doesn't look right when he does
things when he was with the Patriots, except for you
look up and it's eight for eighty seven and a
touchdown at the end of this game.

Speaker 2 (44:18):
I've even seen flashes that similar thing with Nelson agelor
with it like in the Ravens at times like it's.

Speaker 4 (44:23):
Just a fair fair point looks, you.

Speaker 2 (44:25):
Know, geez, he looks like an actual receiver. And you know,
he had some moments here. But what am I stakes?
A lot of injuries, I mean, these guys all just
had I don't know. It's a great question. I'd love
to hear an in depth schematic look of here's what
the Patriots were trying to do with him, and here's why.

Speaker 4 (44:40):
Yeah, I'd be willing to listen to that, probably only
for a couple of minutes, so I get bored on those. Correct.

Speaker 5 (44:45):
DeShawn and Virginia. You got it, I got it, I
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Speaker 8 (44:53):
Guys, I'm back again. I wanted to say, like, it's
quite obvious that the person that is a major problem.
Pleap want to blame the coaching or whatever, but it
quite obviously the person that has the problem. They have
no linebackers. They have like you know, they can cover
or stop to run or do any of those type
of things or whatever. And then when you got meant
about player like Jonny Smith or whatever, Defau was going

(45:14):
to other places and playing well the guy the other
guy just took the words right out of my mouth.
But I was thinking the entire time, if you look
at those other teams, they've always had like everywhere he
has been, they've had some type of downie or two
which you can take the spade where you can benefit
from the reason why when God come here and the
offense up injustice because they don't have anybody who touched

(45:35):
the field as a person the problem and so you
get that rectified. They would never beat.

Speaker 4 (45:40):
Did you think they had? What did you think I
when Mac Jones's rookie year offensively did you how did
you think their offense was?

Speaker 7 (45:48):
Like?

Speaker 8 (45:48):
I think it was. I think they just bearfitted from
really really poor teams. I think I think they were Okay.

Speaker 4 (45:53):
Okay, all side of the street agree. I think they
benefited from some poor teams. But why didn't John who
Smith benefit from the poor teams? Why why did kemprick
Born have eight hundred yards that year but no one
else could benefit from that.

Speaker 8 (46:06):
They don't have anybody else to really you know draw ascension.

Speaker 4 (46:10):
Yeah, but they but they did that year. That's my point. Yeah,
I mean, I think that there's something on the coaching
staff that hasn't been able to They weren't able to
unlock whatever it is that allows him to be successful
with all of the other offenses. Is a part of
this is Hill and Waddle. I understand how good they are.
It's like Drake London gave him that much space last year. No,

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I mean, and that's like do you know what I mean,
you know, with with Desmond Ridder throwing the ball like that,
he had that much space.

Speaker 2 (46:40):
I mean, this is maybe this is just a I
don't know if this is exactly what on the lines,
but just feeling like what I just watched, Johnny was
schemed open a lot, you know, and and here it
was like anytime there was a contested catch and there
was some physicality involved in Like you said, Paul, he's
not like he looks kind of thrown off. But when
he's wide open and he has a second to gather
himself and he can turn and get in the end zone,

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you know, he looks Okay. It's a great question though,
and I mean, I think that's just it's just emblematic
of everything that's going on right now, where hey, we
had this guy and now he you go against him
and he looks like a world beater, but you couldn't
get more than like ten catches out of him.

Speaker 5 (47:15):
We want your emails and at that's podcast at Patriots
dot com. Finlay in Dundee, Scotland rights and I'm gonna
try to surf through a little of this because it's
fairly lengthy. But he wants to hit on the roster.
Is there currently a worse roster than the Patriots have
In the NFL? You can make the argument that every
position outside of quarterback is up for discussion in the offseason.
Thank you if you're a coverage of the team. That's

(47:37):
Finlay and Dundee Scotland. I said earlier in the postgame show,
when you're putting together a grocery list to go to
Thanksgiving or to try to buy things for saying Thanksgiving,
it's generally a longer list. Elliott Wolf and Company has
a very long Thanksgiving Day like list to go shopping
for this year. And I don't know that they can
do it all in, you know, between even with free

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agency and the draft. That's not the thing to get
it all done.

Speaker 4 (48:02):
Yeah, that's not the goal. Is that The goal isn't
to do it as fast as you can.

Speaker 2 (48:06):
No, No, if the goal is to do it right right,
have it in place, and have the infrastructure in place
to handle like the ups and downs if you're gonna
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Speaker 4 (48:21):
So one of the biggest you know, the way this
season is going, you know, I mean they have five
games left. Right the way this game is going, one
of the biggest disappointments for me will be the lack
of anything beyond Drake May and the draft class.

Speaker 5 (48:37):
Yep, we wait, there was another week wast this week.
There was another week wasted this week.

Speaker 14 (48:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (48:43):
I just don't think they're very good. I mean, I
don't know what they're like. I'm not putting this on the coaches.
I just don't think that they I mean, this is
an Elliott Wolf thing. I mean, he's the one that
took these players, and the coaches all keep saying, yeah,
we still have confidence in these guys. They're going to
be good players. Alex Van Pelt was adamant about it
on Thursday when we talked to him. Mike, you know,

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we still feel like these guys are going to be
good players in the league. I just don't see it.
I don't see it. And you know, the only one
I don't really know anything about is Kayden Wallace because
he just hasn't played enough. But the other guys have
gotten ample opportunities and they just haven't really show they
haven't shown that they have anything. I mean, is that

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too harsh? That's probably given me my my, My biggest
takeaway is, man, it doesn't look like they got any
thing in this draft beyond Drake may No.

Speaker 2 (49:32):
I mean, and you look with Thornton leaving what they
got out of the twenty two draft class, and then
you look at this draft class. I mean, that's how
you stay down near the bottom. You have one or
two players per draft that hang around and are actually
impact players, and everybody else is tossed to the wind
within two to three seasons. And that's what you're seeing
with some of those other older drafts. You gotta hope
that somehow they pull it out. They're giving us good

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what they want us to hear of. You know, we
still believe in all of these guys. But like Paul said,
you won. You got one guy right now.

Speaker 5 (50:01):
Terrence in rawling North Carolina rights. I remember a game
and you guys are gonna remember this. In the late
oughts where the Patriots were blowing out Miami. The Patriots
put in Matt Castle, ye pick. The Patriots then went
back to Brady. Interesting how history repeats itself, albeit against
the Patriots. I think Drake may can be great if
he cleans up his ball protection. That's Terrence in rolling
North Carolina back to the phone lines.

Speaker 4 (50:23):
I made that comment at the time as soon as
I saw the ball go in the ground, said that's
why you don't put your back up quarterback in with
eleven minutes left. And I bet you Toua has to
come back in now. And he did.

Speaker 5 (50:33):
Good for you? Good for you?

Speaker 4 (50:36):
That did that make you angry?

Speaker 5 (50:37):
You know what you know?

Speaker 4 (50:38):
For me about that seven ones?

Speaker 2 (50:40):
I think Brady actually wiped his eye black off and
had to go back in without the eye black.

Speaker 4 (50:45):
I think he had a sweat like his sweatband, like
his wristbands off and stuff.

Speaker 5 (50:49):
Made him go hand it off like you patch yourself
on the back paw. That's okay, no problem. Eric in
New Jersey is next on the Patriots postgame show, brought
you by Draft Kings High. Eric, Okay, how are you?

Speaker 19 (51:00):
I don't think I think, just to be fair, I
don't think Baker really got that much of opportunity. He's
got his person attempt, But.

Speaker 4 (51:07):
Baker Baker has had an opportunity. He's been eligible to
play every game this year. He hasn't been hurt at all.

Speaker 19 (51:14):
How many targets you got, That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (51:16):
He doesn't deserve them. That's what you're missing if he
was doing anything. But if he was doing anything at
all in practice, you think that this offense wouldn't welcome
a guy who could potentially help them into the equation.

Speaker 19 (51:30):
Yeah, that's a fair point. I'm just saying he just
hasn't many I mean, I haven't seen the ball in
his hands or anything to see. Obviously, just decided to
kick return last week.

Speaker 4 (51:37):
But I mean, not that he's been was awful.

Speaker 5 (51:39):
But he hit a target today, didn't he thrown in
his feet?

Speaker 4 (51:42):
Yeah, and I'm not talking about like catching the ball.
I'm sorry. If Alex van Pelt was seeing this kid
in practice every Kayshawn Boody went from me inactive to
a part of the game because he was working in
practice and playing well in practice. Clearly that's not happening
with jay Von Baker.

Speaker 19 (51:59):
No, all fair points. I'm just saying that again, I
would like to see the ball in games kind of
see what he does. But moving forward, Kyle Dugger still
the same player, how many years now in the league,
Still can't really cover I know he's coming off the injury.
I mean, it just seems like he still hasn't taken
that next step in his game and.

Speaker 20 (52:17):
This seed they hit on.

Speaker 19 (52:18):
I know you guys gave praise to Alex van Pelt
last week, but I just kind of want to mention
how just you know, Mike McDaniel makes the game easier
for two with just when that age changed the first touchdown.
They come in there with heavy run personnel, through running
back to heavy tight ends and they do that screenplight.
I mean, that's when I think people are talking about
a modern offense.

Speaker 4 (52:37):
And ye, you know, a good point. It's a good point, Eric,
It's a really good point. I think there's a lot.
There's not a lot that's been easy for the Patriots.
And that is why I gave Alex van pell credit
last week, because I do think he dialed up some
things that made it easy for Drake May. But there
has been enough of it. Absolutely a great point by Eric.

Speaker 5 (52:55):
The AVP detractors are coming at it an email here,
this is Jake and Australia. With all the praise AVP
has gotten for me, can we now rip him for
the backstep. I don't know that we need to rip him.
But in any event, absolutely awful all around coaching players. Everyone,
please be the saving grace for the Patriots today. Guys,
that's Jake in Australia. How are we going to be

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the saving grace in a thirty four to fifteen pummeling.

Speaker 2 (53:19):
I don't know, man, I mean, you can only talk
about Drake May's potential so much, and I mean it's
just it goes back to the personnel. Like you guys said,
and I mean I agree with everything he said about
about Duggar. I mean, none of these guys that you
hoped would take a bit a step forward this year,
I've taken a step forward.

Speaker 7 (53:33):
I mean.

Speaker 2 (53:34):
And those are a lot of guys that you gave
deals to that you were you know, him Jennings, Guys
who have been around a little bit you want to
show some like those are the guys that you're hoping,
all right, you've got some stability here. We want you
to be a leader. We want you to step up.
And you know, and as I said at the top,
you've got guys like Iafrian Jennings and you know, going
off getting you know, jumping off sides on a third
and one with the clock running out when they're not

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even going to run a play. It's it's it's not
good enough and they're not getting the leadership.

Speaker 4 (53:59):
That they need. And I would just say, it can't
work that way. It can't be. Drake May is great,
look at how good the offense was. The offense is terrible.
Alex van Pelt needs to do a better job. Can't
It can't work that way. That's not fair on Dougger.
I just like to cut Maybe we don't know how
hurt he is. Is he working through the ankle or
something like this, has been back for a couple of weeks.

Speaker 5 (54:20):
I'm just asking. You know, he grimaced on one play,
you know, came out maybe for a play, and then
was back in. I'd like to see Duggar with a
with a little bit more around him defensively. I think
in a situation like this, when there's not a lot
around him defensively, he gets exposed. And I can understand
why people are sitting there. Hey, they resigned him. Where's
the play making? The ball hit him? Did hit him

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between the two and the three today?

Speaker 4 (54:43):
And you know, it's funny like that. You have a
really good play in the red zone, and still come
up with a negative because he probably should have picked
it right, but it was a good play.

Speaker 2 (54:50):
Yeah, yeah, I would still though just say I mean, May,
Gonzales and Barmore, I think are the only three players
that I really feel untouchingly about, untouched that those are
guys that can play and that you can build around.
And I don't, you know, know to what level those
guys even are, but I think all of them could
be impact players in the NFL. But after that, it's
it's a pretty big drop off.

Speaker 5 (55:10):
Trevor and Revere Treva in Revere rights. I wasn't old
enough to watch the two thousand Patriots, So I have
a question for you all. How does a talent and
coaching from the team from this team compare to the
two thousand team. I can't help but feel like the
coaching staff is over matched most weeks, but I have
no reference point. Are these just growing pays pains or
a cause for concern? Question from Trevor Paul, you want

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to take that one on.

Speaker 4 (55:32):
You better hope they're just growing pains, because it you know,
it's it would be huge cause of concern if this
is what it is. But you know, Matt brought up
in the pregame show, like we're talking about Drake May
and we're talking about rookie and six. Seven starts at
seven starts right today with seven. You know, it's been
some turnover issues and working through them, but as to

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be expected. So it is a rookie head coach making
a lot of decisions for the first time. I'm a
little frustrated that some of the same things continue to
be problems.

Speaker 5 (56:03):
Week after week after week, penalties.

Speaker 4 (56:05):
But I do think that Matt makes a good point
and that like you should probably look at them a
little bit on a curve as well.

Speaker 2 (56:12):
Yeah, I do agree with that. I just I just
I hear the word growing. I mean, do you feel
like they're growing?

Speaker 4 (56:17):
I mean not this week, certainly, But I think by
far and away the bigger issue is the talent.

Speaker 5 (56:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (56:23):
Yeah, but I would say I've seen some progress from
the offense at times. I mean it's like we said,
it's up and down. I haven't really seen the progress
on the defense now.

Speaker 5 (56:32):
Jacob in Rochester, New York writes, as much as I've
been enjoying Drake mayplay and him showing amazing physical ability
is the biggest thing that's frustrating are the clutch time interceptions?
Is this who he's going to be as a quarterback.

Speaker 4 (56:45):
Lunch time today? Yeah? Nice fake punch? Yeah.

Speaker 2 (56:49):
Oh geez, Devon Diopolo, good good.

Speaker 4 (56:54):
Mike, you could be Scott Hansome. Yeah, I mean there
was nothing. No one's trying to Just the reason why
I kind of caught my ear is because I'm wondering
if people tried to convince themselves that there was like
a sniff of hope in this game at any point,
because there wasn't.

Speaker 7 (57:13):
No.

Speaker 5 (57:13):
Uh, Paul, you'll enjoy this. This is Marcus and Argentina.
The worldwide reach of the Patriots postgame show presented by
DraftKings is really a worldwide reach. Boy, did we get
whipped today? Celebty? After the game? Does anyone care to
venture guests on why the main referee was flexing his
biceps on every flash explanation? What a d bag? It
was really annoying. Thank you for the email.

Speaker 4 (57:35):
Us, But I actually thought he kind of had flat
like did you see it? Like the bottom?

Speaker 7 (57:39):
You know?

Speaker 4 (57:39):
I'm not, Oh who he did?

Speaker 2 (57:40):
Judge?

Speaker 5 (57:41):
You your body shaming the poor referee?

Speaker 4 (57:42):
Come on, Paul, better than I believe that it was
at Marcus. It was Marcus and Argentina. I think he's
dead on. The guy had his holding, he had a
very had like he had a very outstretch. Can I
get with's my one? Okay, he had a very outstretched
holding call. I didn't understand what he was doing other
than trying to show us, like Marcus said, how big

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his arms are.

Speaker 5 (58:06):
I think there's been a concerted effort by the league
to get the new referees guns, tighter, shirt right in shape,
showing it off. Let's go. It's entertainment, baby.

Speaker 2 (58:18):
Handing out the guns.

Speaker 4 (58:19):
Entertainment uh L.

Speaker 5 (58:21):
In Wisconsin, right. I think Paul is being unfair in
his analysis of May to start a completely agree that
May should have been on the bad list. It's just
your reasoning. I disagree with you said you wanted to
see him hit the back of the drops and go
through his progression today though it simply wasn't an option.
There were usually two defenders in the backfield by the
tak It wasn't like.

Speaker 4 (58:41):
That early in the game. Now, even the announcers we're
talking about the pockets, the clean pockets that he had
early in the game. Who was a third down, that
he threw about eight feet behind a guy. That think.
I just think he wasn't on his I think he
was sped up today.

Speaker 5 (58:53):
Now let's let up, let's let Elle finish. Do I
think he could have been better? I think he was
shaky and could have been more poised on the run.
He also struggled identifying where the rush was coming from.
I'm not freaking out about him or anything. I still
I still saw enough to tell me that he's the guy.
I think that was actually a fair Other than his
criticism of you, maybe a fair.

Speaker 4 (59:13):
I think we're I think we're actually lockstep. I feel
exactly the way Elle described the game today. I think
he was sped up and wasn't seeing the rush well
and didn't have his best game. Doesn't mean I don't
think he's the guy.

Speaker 5 (59:25):
Right eight five to five Pats five hundred. The numbers
Sean and Florida where the Patriots were thumped thirty four fourteen,
thirty four to fifteen. I don't know why I keep
saying that. Thirty four to fifteen the final Shawn, You're
next on the Patriots postgame show presented by Draftings, I sewan, Hey, guys.

Speaker 20 (59:39):
Can you guys hear me, Okay, yes, sir.

Speaker 21 (59:42):
All right, So let's got three takeaways. Discipline number one,
which goes on coaching. You know, like I was in
the military for twenty two years and gonna be brilliant
on the basics, right, and these guys are not brilliant
on the.

Speaker 20 (59:53):
Basics at all. What I'm referring to is obviously.

Speaker 21 (59:58):
Offensive penalties and pre snap yeah, pre snap, pre snap stuff.

Speaker 20 (01:00:03):
That's just straight coaching, and it's very, very demoralizing. The
other one was like Many's pocket presidence. I think it
was like early in the second quarter, they they lined
up three defensive guys to his left and like one
extremely wide, and he had no pocket presence whatsoever. To
step up from that pocket.

Speaker 21 (01:00:21):
All he had to do is take three steps forward
and make a read or even run.

Speaker 20 (01:00:24):
And then my third point was the defense is it
just me? Or does every week tight ends tear apart?
And I'll take sumpings off there, thank.

Speaker 5 (01:00:32):
You, thanks for the call, Seane.

Speaker 4 (01:00:33):
Well not last week. Last week it was wide receivers, right,
this week it was everybody.

Speaker 5 (01:00:39):
Yeah, in the middle of the field certainly seemed to
be an area of concern. It was wide to open
it all day long.

Speaker 4 (01:00:44):
Anything they wanted, they got to the boundaries, those quick slants,
anything they wanted, even like the the a Chan plays,
like the little swing pass with a touchdown to mad
twenty one. Yeah, like just too easy.

Speaker 2 (01:00:56):
Now, he just you see, when a offensive coordinator has
his quarterback, his system in place, he's got his pieces
and he's rolling, and it's easy to get defenses on
their heels and not know what's coming. And that's certainly
what happened today. It's just, you know, credit to Mike
McDaniel did a good job at home.

Speaker 5 (01:01:12):
Here's a head scratcher from Dave in May and you
can email us at podcast at Patriots dot com. May
different word stinks. It's time to move on. Let's try
to get Sanders in the first round. He I'm assuming
he means May has fooled all of us with his
cute faces and his aweshocks attitude. But he's a He's
thrown two game when he passes to the wrong team.

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Now he says he's just kidding. Not his best game,
but it'll be fine. The defense is a problem. Can't cover,
can't tackle. I put coming in on the top of
the bat list.

Speaker 4 (01:01:40):
Yeah, I think a second was you got me.

Speaker 5 (01:01:44):
I should have read the whole thing in advance first.
But I actually that's more of a PU experience kind
of thing. We get those every once in a while.

Speaker 2 (01:01:51):
They said, I'm going to walk us into it, let's play,
let's play fool of host.

Speaker 5 (01:01:55):
It some tough thing to do.

Speaker 4 (01:01:56):
But no, it's not. It's it works. I mean it
occasionally works. I just that one I saw coming.

Speaker 2 (01:02:00):
You see Paul's hands start to go like this. You know,
you know he's he's starting to get something rumbling.

Speaker 5 (01:02:07):
H Joe and Weymouth rights, guys. Would we have had
more positive yards if we had just played without a
left tackle? Poor attempted humor? But I get it. I
don't expect much each week as I'm uh so, I'm
in on improving draft position at this point. Lastly, like
old me and Paul, I get peeved when receivers celebrated
first down when trilling by twenty four and thirty one,

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that's Joe and Weymouth writing it on that way big
first down.

Speaker 4 (01:02:31):
Well I could have done that too, because there were
a couple of first down signals from receivers today. You know,
after the game was well, well, on hand, Douglas and
Bourne would be the two guys.

Speaker 5 (01:02:43):
I actually thought Bourne's was toned down for him, and
he's a he's an energy guy, so I would assumed
a little bit more.

Speaker 4 (01:02:49):
But I didn't think it was toned down. But there
was one on the sideline that he was in the
guy's face three times going like this, and I was like,
it's twenty four to nothing.

Speaker 5 (01:02:56):
Bro Kevin from San Francisco is next on the line. Kevin,
You're next on the Patriots postgame show presented by DraftKings Hike. Kevin.

Speaker 16 (01:03:04):
Hey, guys, First of all, I feel bad for you
guys that you have to do this job because this team.
This is the first time I walked out of my
bar today at.

Speaker 22 (01:03:16):
A half time.

Speaker 16 (01:03:16):
I said, you know what, I'm not gonna watch this.
It's an embarrassment. Now it's no longer a disappointment. It's
an embarrassment on all front, coaching, players.

Speaker 22 (01:03:28):
Off to the office, the whole thing.

Speaker 16 (01:03:30):
It's garbage, and you know, forget Belger now. I just
want them to.

Speaker 19 (01:03:34):
Get embarrassed and lose every game.

Speaker 16 (01:03:38):
So good luck, guys, love.

Speaker 5 (01:03:40):
You, Thanks Kevin, and I appreciate the phone call and
and angry. Kevin there fear not for us and feel
not for us. This is our job and we delight
in doing it. I got to catch. Just speak for
myself now.

Speaker 4 (01:03:52):
I think that's a catch one foot in and then
there's his other foot hit the pilon, his other way
hit the pilon. Marvin Harrison a beautiful catch anyway. Yeah,
I mean you don't have to worry about about us
and part of this, but the whole draft pick thing
for what? What do you want? Yeah? You know, I

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mean I've already won.

Speaker 2 (01:04:14):
The draft pick lottery this year.

Speaker 5 (01:04:16):
You're talking about, you know, playing for a pick.

Speaker 4 (01:04:18):
Yeah, Like, I mean, they need to figure out a
way to get They need to find find a way
to get some players.

Speaker 5 (01:04:25):
Chris, can you go back to that last time to
actually have the twenty five draft in playure? There you go.
Will Campbell now pedaled in it for that.

Speaker 4 (01:04:34):
And I don't think that's I know, Kelvin. Kelvin Banks
is the top tack. Kelvin Banks would be.

Speaker 2 (01:04:40):
I mean right now, if you're talking most up to date,
Will Campbell is probably much lower. I mean maybe maybe
fifteen twenties.

Speaker 4 (01:04:47):
So I like Kelvin Banks better. Now he had a
horrible game against Georgia Kelvin Banks, so that might hurt
his stock, you know, big, big stage, you know, against
the high quality defense. He did not play well. But
you know, Fred is really like he's given me the
epiphany of really trying to be open minded about the

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position that they take. I like, if you want to
take you know, the the Arizona wide receiver instead, McMillan,
I can. I can listen to those arguments. I think
tackle is an enormous need. But if you don't think
a tackle's worthy of a top ten pick, don't take it.
Pick the best player. They pick the best player. Yep,
that's what that that's the one benefit. I know you're

(01:05:27):
in a horrible spot with your roster, but the one
benefit of need everything is you do not have to
get locked into a.

Speaker 5 (01:05:33):
Position right and you should find somebody there positivity. An
email from Boston Cream who writes, speaking of the draft,
not you are not sure why everyone is stressing about
the roster. If the Patriots can hit on all ten
of these draft picks this year, we'll be back in
playoff contention. Start doing your prayers and blessings for Elliott Wolf.
That's Boston Cream. More levity mixed with some anger by
the way that I would have thought coming from Patriot fians.

Speaker 2 (01:05:56):
Today, Well, he's a doughnuts, so yeah, donut logic that.

Speaker 5 (01:05:59):
One Nicholas writes in Talent is secondhand to the penalty problems.
This might be something to debate about. It's obvious that
the offensive line needs to be reviewed and coached better.
But another obvious point is that a defense that allows
thirty plus points that easily makes an offensive job almost impossible.
Smith looked like Travis Kelcey today. That's Nicholas who writes

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in on that. I would say it's the roster before
the penalties. But both are both are problems you don't
want to have.

Speaker 4 (01:06:28):
I just don't understand how the NFL works. I don't
understand how that's not a touchdown, and I don't understand
how Chad Royland now kicks every field goal directly over
the middle bar in the between the uprights. He looks
like Adam. He looks like Adam in his prime.

Speaker 5 (01:06:42):
Eight five five Pats five hundred Max from New Hampshire.
You're next to the Patriots postgame show presented by Draft Kings.
Good Afternoon, Max, Hello, Max. No, Max, Max isn't there.
Will let him go. Look at that. I think I
might have successfully done that that. Daniel and Alabama, you're
next in the Patriots postgame Show presented by Draft Kings.

Speaker 17 (01:07:01):
Hi, Daniel, Hey, guys, I appreciate you taking my call.
I'm so glad to get to talk to you. I
may live in Alabama, but a lifetime past than grew
up in Massachusetts, in New Hampshire, And I just want
to say one thing. I'm actually totally disagree with take
on Drake May today. I'll agree with Paul and then

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it just wasn't his best day. But the way I
look at it is the big touchdown throw. He's running
and throwing on the run on every single pass. I mean,
the guy, I've never seen a quarterback getting run over
like he is and getting chase out of pocket on
every single dropback like he is since Steve Broke, Steve Grogan.

Speaker 9 (01:07:47):
Like that's that's how bad this is.

Speaker 17 (01:07:49):
He He is running for his life every on every
single play.

Speaker 4 (01:07:54):
Yeah, I think a lot of times he runs for
his life because of the way he sees he doesn't
see the rush. But whatever, well we can disagree.

Speaker 17 (01:08:01):
I mean that may that may be to some extent,
but again some of the things are dealing with He's
six games, seven games into his career. I'm more encouraged
about him every every time I see him play.

Speaker 4 (01:08:14):
Yeah, today wasn't to day that I was more encouraged,
But I agree with you, and so thanks for the
phone call.

Speaker 17 (01:08:19):
That throw he made for the touchdown, escaping, throwing on the.

Speaker 4 (01:08:23):
Run, nobody covering. I just like for that part.

Speaker 9 (01:08:27):
But he got the ball there. I mean he got
weigh and got the ball there. So okay, I'm gonna
tell him by all right, we got our quarterback. We
need everything else we'll see, like, you know, just throw
it all out.

Speaker 5 (01:08:40):
We got Oh sorry about that, my dad on that, Daniel,
But I think you know, I appreciate the call. Here's
one that we haven't talked about on him running around
a lot today and the offensive line obviously didn't protect
very well. We didn't really get a chance to see
it because we're looking at the TV. Maybe we need
to watch the film. Was it not a lot of
guys open downfield as he's running and running and running.

(01:09:01):
Is there a possibility that there wasn't anybody open?

Speaker 4 (01:09:04):
Is there a possibility that he's not seeing guys okay.
Like I just there's nothing that I've seen from Drake
May that has told me that my feelings coming into
the draft have been wrong. Everything that I've seen is
leading me to believe that I that I think that
they got the right guy. But I have to look
at it objectively and talk like I don't care about

(01:09:25):
him running around behind the line of scrimmage and throwing
a ball to a guy who wasn't covered for forty
I can't rely on that. That's not something I can
take to next week. It's not sustainable. It's not something
I can build my offense around. It's great to have
Josh Allen make those plays, it's great to have Patrick
Mahons make those plays, and it was great to see
Drake May make a play like that today. But I

(01:09:48):
need all the other plays for the other fifty nine
minutes of the game in order to be any good,
and today I didn't get any of those, and that
play doesn't really do anything for me. Every you know,
it was a coverage bust, Let's call it what it was.
You know that nobody's down, you're talking about nobody covered
the guy he was all alone. I would rather see Drake,

(01:10:11):
may you know, be able to operate conventionally like he
did last week. Last week got me way more excited
than any of the other games, because, especially the first
half MIC, it was just precision, like with some of
those throws, how accurate he was, how quickly he was
deciphering the rock. And that was a good front that

(01:10:32):
he saw last week with the Rams and that first half,
I thought he made them look awfully ordinary. I thought
he made some tight window throws. I just thought today
was a little less than that. That's all. It doesn't
like dampen my enthusiasm for him moving forward. I just
thought today he wasn't very good.

Speaker 2 (01:10:49):
And there's there's five games left in the season, and
you know one this week coming up back at home,
and a chance to you know, maybe have a defense
that you can have some success against. But also just
having a bye week at this point, like kind of
like that with for Drake to hit the reset button
before the last four games, and those are going to
be four very tough games against three teams that are
all in the playoff mix. I don't know what you

(01:11:10):
know where Buffalo is going to be at, but I
assume that both they were going and the Chargers are
going to be fighting Buffore for you know, playoff seedings,
So it's gonna be a good opportunity for him. I
totally agree. I share everybody's positivity about him. But at
a certain point, we're going to see this kid play
five more games before next September, So I just love
to see a little bit more what Paul's talking about.

(01:11:32):
Can he stack a couple of day games where he's
good from the pocket? He you know, and sure of
course those those those those are great as bonuses.

Speaker 4 (01:11:39):
But do you remember training camp, Mike, when we were
watching every mindless day of training camp practices? How much drifting? Drifting, drifting?
That's what I saw a lot of today. And I
understand the call is right, he doesn't there's no help
right now, I get it. But some of the pressure
that he faces is sort of self inflicted. He runs

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into sacks at times.

Speaker 2 (01:12:02):
We've seen a couple of those on the highlights here. Yeah,
as you've been talking and yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:12:06):
So and again, none of this has dampened any of
my enthusiasm for Drake may in the future, but I
want to just I'm just analyzing you know, I like
to steal a phrase from one of my shows when
Mike and Tony talked, Yeah, that's all well and good
that we look at the big picture, but we have
a show to do today, then we have another one
to do tomorrow. Like you have to say, what happened today,

(01:12:26):
and today just wasn't good offensively.

Speaker 5 (01:12:29):
Today was step backs. The Patriots lose thirty four to
fifteen down in Miami. Let's go down to Miami and
listen to the head coach Gerard Mayo after the lost
to the Dolphins.

Speaker 23 (01:12:40):
Look, my message to the team was, look, this is
the NFL. It just wasn't good enough. You know, first quarter,
zero points across the board and then give up twenty
four points in the second quarter. Definitely is a hard
peal to swallow. And then look, we saw some fight
at the end, which is encouraging. But at the same time,
this game you got every single play, every single play counts.
I thought we gave it too many big plays defensively,

(01:13:01):
did a better job in the run game. They have
too many big plays, tackling scheme, whatever you want to
call it. Just overall execution defensively just wasn't good enough.

Speaker 11 (01:13:12):
On offense.

Speaker 23 (01:13:13):
They did some good things, but anytime you lose a
turnover battle, it's always going to be a tough game.
And then special teams, we just got to continue to
improve on that.

Speaker 11 (01:13:26):
Sorry.

Speaker 23 (01:13:27):
Last thing for me, like the last thing I told
the guys, it's all about us. And this is before
the game. I said, it's about us. It's not about
anybody else. It's about us and to make a commitment
to one another. And that's what the game really came
down to. It's us going out there, you know, kicking
ourselves in the butt or snapping our toe against the
wall because the penalties. We we don't have a team.

(01:13:47):
I don't think any team wants to go backwards at
any ca A in any cause. Uh, but we did
that today.

Speaker 4 (01:13:52):
So did you get a sense this week practice the
something's all or like not have a good week?

Speaker 11 (01:13:57):
N Uh?

Speaker 23 (01:13:57):
I didn't, not at all, not at all. I thought
the guys were locked in. Uh, just didn't walk away
with a win.

Speaker 4 (01:14:02):
Like what what do you play when the coverage breakdowns?

Speaker 24 (01:14:04):
Might used to seeing that from his team historically.

Speaker 23 (01:14:08):
So what's the cause of the h historically or even
this season? Just a a lack of communication, a lot
of communication.

Speaker 2 (01:14:16):
The six pre snout penalty is in the first half.

Speaker 11 (01:14:19):
Uh yeah, five on offense, one on defense.

Speaker 14 (01:14:23):
I mean, how much how much of that is a reflection.

Speaker 5 (01:14:25):
Just something that coaching.

Speaker 11 (01:14:26):
Yeah, look, it starts with me.

Speaker 23 (01:14:28):
It starts with me, And we've had these these hiccups
of you know, games where the penalties really affected us,
and it did.

Speaker 11 (01:14:33):
Uh today, do you think that.

Speaker 2 (01:14:34):
First drive, the first sustained drive in the first quarter
that the two penalties.

Speaker 5 (01:14:38):
Brought it back and then you you kind of went
to conservative in the middle and then went for the
field goal.

Speaker 14 (01:14:43):
Did did you feel like things stalled out there?

Speaker 18 (01:14:45):
How much did.

Speaker 11 (01:14:45):
You in the first quarter? Yeah?

Speaker 23 (01:14:47):
To me, in the first quarter, you're still trying to
just get a vibe for the game, how they're gonna
play us, and how we're gonna play them, and how
they're gonna match our stuff.

Speaker 12 (01:14:53):
So did you concern you that this was a big
spot for you guys comeing off a loss division games
and you guys kind of came up flat.

Speaker 11 (01:14:59):
Yeah, Yeah, we came out flat.

Speaker 23 (01:15:01):
And look, it's it's a long season, and it is
a long season, and the guys they recognize that. You know,
when you get the schedule early on, you gotta see
like wh where the bye week is? Uh, and saying that, look,
no excuses for me and hopefully no excuses from the players.

Speaker 11 (01:15:13):
We set to be better defensively, Where do you go
from here?

Speaker 19 (01:15:16):
Uh?

Speaker 11 (01:15:17):
You know, for me, nowhere but up?

Speaker 23 (01:15:18):
And you know a lot of that stuff going again
and going back to the big plays like it starts there,
like the defensive line in the run game. I don't
think that was a problem this game. It was just
a big place the drug. How do you coach a
guy and you bring there that'd be full and player
as a player, how do you coach you guys in
the same mistakes?

Speaker 19 (01:15:35):
Who who over a over a year?

Speaker 6 (01:15:38):
How do you get to that guy?

Speaker 19 (01:15:40):
They're there?

Speaker 11 (01:15:41):
I mean that's why we're coaches, you know.

Speaker 23 (01:15:42):
We gotta find a solution, whether that's you gotta figure
out what lever to pool to get a guy going.
And sometimes look, it could look good during the week
and then you get into the game and it's it's
a sup a surprise.

Speaker 7 (01:15:53):
Just like they did the first match of was that believe?

Speaker 1 (01:15:57):
Then?

Speaker 25 (01:15:57):
Trying to stretch your communication when you said later.

Speaker 23 (01:15:59):
The breakdowns, uh, I I wouldn't say so much. You know,
tempo's always difficult. Those guys come out with one't whord
plays and we just have to I felt like we
were on the same page out in the field, if
that's what you're talking about when.

Speaker 2 (01:16:10):
You pole tackles were struggling on it today, but specifically
decided to pull the matre jacus in the poort and
print of the city.

Speaker 25 (01:16:15):
So I just wat went into that decision.

Speaker 13 (01:16:17):
Then.

Speaker 23 (01:16:17):
Yeah, he was having a tough game, huh, whether it's
penalties or or blocking the edge, he was having a
tough game. And we gotta protect the quarterback as an
offensive linement.

Speaker 11 (01:16:24):
That's what we do.

Speaker 23 (01:16:25):
We protect quarterbacks and we gotta open up holes for
the backs.

Speaker 1 (01:16:27):
Was there a reason you chose to take that to
Matrea and toss and like.

Speaker 8 (01:16:31):
Was there a reason for one over the other?

Speaker 12 (01:16:33):
Na?

Speaker 11 (01:16:33):
Na?

Speaker 6 (01:16:33):
Not all?

Speaker 7 (01:16:34):
How much of it all did the help of Christians
always going to see.

Speaker 11 (01:16:39):
How things happened then, I mean, uh, we saw the
injury report.

Speaker 23 (01:16:42):
He was dealing with something he worked out before the game,
and we thought he was ready to.

Speaker 7 (01:16:46):
Go draw it on Monday.

Speaker 26 (01:16:47):
You said you have enough talent in that room when
the football games, how do you ractify that with falling.

Speaker 4 (01:16:51):
Up behind thirty and nothing.

Speaker 23 (01:16:53):
Yeah, it it starts with me. I think it starts
with me, and you know, getting these guys ready to.

Speaker 24 (01:16:57):
Go n there's some uh assignment breakdowns that you might
get the red zone.

Speaker 11 (01:17:02):
Absolutely well, they just like what did you see on
those plays.

Speaker 23 (01:17:06):
Like the agent I I mean it was a secret
they used motion and shifts and things like that to
confuse the community or to stress the communication. And we
just weren't on the same page early.

Speaker 17 (01:17:14):
One quest drive forth of one bree and thirty nine
and he thought to go to birthday.

Speaker 11 (01:17:18):
Uh, the thought was there. It was best for the team.
It starts with you. But when do the players have
to start with so, I mean you can only do
so much. What what is it on to players?

Speaker 23 (01:17:27):
Yeah, I mean, look, it's it's always though. Most of
those guys cross the white there's nothing I can do
for him. There's nothing any coach can do for him
once they cross the white line. It's my job to
continue to prepare not only them, but our coaches to
go out here and play better football.

Speaker 5 (01:17:39):
Thanks there as your head coach. Gerard Mayo after the
Patriots lose to Miami today, thirty four to fifteen. The
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Seems like a little frustrated Gerard Mayo, especially down the
stretch there a little bit in his press conference. But

(01:17:59):
I did think it was interesting. I don't know who
the questioner was at the end who Gerard certainly being accountable,
it starts with him as far as the penalty is concerned.
I did hear Mike g Reese ask, you know, is
it a reflection on coaching with the penalties? Absolutely, and
that starts with me. But I did hear the last
questioners said, at what point in time do we start
to talk about the players? And I thought that was

(01:18:21):
a fair question as well.

Speaker 2 (01:18:22):
I think so, I mean, that's it's just gotta be
frustrating as a coach. I mean, I'm sure it's, you know,
a little frustrating as we break down these games because
it's the same thing and over again. And as a coach,
that's got to be infuriating because I'm sure they're out
there every week trying to coach this stuff out of them,
certainly the penalties and you know, just to go back
to the very first one and the very first third
down of the game. I mean, it's just it's got
to be maddening for them to spend all this time

(01:18:44):
stressing how important it is to stay out of negative
plays and to stop the self inflicted wounds, and then,
you know, the first big play of the of the
whole game, you go out there and boom, you got
to you know, five yard penalty. You got to tack
onto it. So he's frustrated. I mean, you can tell
the frustration. And he's right though, I mean, the players
do have to bear some of this responsibility because, yes, sir,
at a certain time it's a pre snap penalty. It's like,

(01:19:05):
I'm sorry, it's not really. I mean, you can talk
about the coach preparing the team and everybody being ready
to play and on edge and walked in, but at
the same time, it's football. Know the snap count and
go off when the right call, you know.

Speaker 5 (01:19:18):
Like not like they're at mile High either by the way,
yeah or Kansas City. No disrespect to the fans at
hard work.

Speaker 4 (01:19:24):
Well, plus it's been happening White just as much. So
it's not really we saw it happen. Believe me, Mike
can tell you more times than we could count in
training camp. So it's definitely been an issue. But what
really starts to be is, you know Gerard's saying, you know,
we came out flat today, like, well, that's on the coaches. Yep, right, yep,
that's something that I mean, why why are you coming

(01:19:45):
out flat? It's a division game on the road in
the place that you haven't had much success. You have
a rookie quarterback. You want to go down there and
put your best foot forward, and you come out flat.

Speaker 5 (01:19:54):
Can I question that for a second, Paul, Patriots go
three and out or maybe three and out on their
first series, kicked the ball to my en first fourth series,
they does not go three and out, but the Patriots
defense got them off the field, and then they responded
with their best and really only drive of the first half.
That didn't look like a team that was flat. To
me that they performed better on those two series than

(01:20:16):
they did through the rest of the game.

Speaker 4 (01:20:18):
Yeah, I thought when it was still nothing, nothing gain.
But to Gerard's point, I believe you counted four penalties
on that drive. Yep, you know again. And this is
my point about why I'm not overly excited when these
things happen. It's unsustainable offense when you just have your
quarterback running around crazy and finding a way to move

(01:20:38):
the chains. It's great to have it, and I'm glad
that we have it. I'm excited about having one of
those Mahomes Josh Allen types. I'm really you know, Justin
Herbert can make a living doing it as well. But
you can't just do that. And that drive showed you
why you can't rely on that, because sooner or later
you're not gonna be able to move the chains. They're

(01:20:59):
going to get a hand on one of those running
around passes and it's going to fall in complete or worse,
you're gonna run around and hold the ball wildly with
one hand and Zach Seeler is going to knock it
out of that hand and cause of fumble. Like, it's
just not sustainable offense. I do think they were flat today,
but I don't just say well you were flat, like, well, okay,

(01:21:21):
that's the excuse. Then we came out flat today. No,
why were you flat? That's a deeper question.

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Speaker 22 (01:21:55):
Hi Phil, Hey, guys, what's going on?

Speaker 2 (01:21:59):
They felt.

Speaker 22 (01:22:00):
I just want to channel my inner flim Pickens and say,
what in the wide wi world the sport was bat
And you know, I'll just at the very beginning with
those flags, it's like they should be running up and

(01:22:24):
down that hill until the one hundred and fifty pounds.
I don't I don't know understand how it keeps happening
and happen happening, And and by the way, thanks for
your show. My wife also screams Hooper every time he
catches the path.

Speaker 4 (01:22:45):
Hooper drives the boat.

Speaker 5 (01:22:46):
Chief Phil Job, Thank you very much for the for
the phone call. I think I heard a little Venerian
he and that's.

Speaker 4 (01:22:55):
Him. I thought that was just me. That's hilarious. Tell him.
I don't like Vnarian Lowe too, don't Phil, Phil, don't
forget but Darian Loan.

Speaker 5 (01:23:05):
A caller on the call screen is wanting to ask
can we get Bill Belichick back? And I We're not
going to jump ugly here, but I'm not going to
take the call. But can we stop it with that
kind of talk?

Speaker 4 (01:23:15):
Okay?

Speaker 5 (01:23:15):
Really? Why not? All right?

Speaker 4 (01:23:17):
Why censoring opinions?

Speaker 5 (01:23:19):
I'm not censoring it. Just like enough already it was time.
It was time for Bill to go. But Sean, go
ahead from Quincy. You're next on the Patriot's post game show.

Speaker 20 (01:23:26):
Yeah, Hi, I was just wondering, what do you think
it would take to get Will fill a check back.

Speaker 5 (01:23:32):
I don't think that that scenario. There's there's a better
chance zero points zero less than zero point.

Speaker 1 (01:23:40):
I'd like to give a shout out to Fiona.

Speaker 2 (01:23:47):
The Princess from Shrek.

Speaker 4 (01:23:49):
Yeah, good one. Okay, you know what, No, there's no
chance of him coming back. But that's not how we
do things. Okay, we we we lose. We We don't
just take the opinions we agree with. No, no, no,
like the illuminati. I disagree with that, but they deserve
to be heard. Why not I just just because you
and I disagree with it.

Speaker 2 (01:24:10):
Okay, I want to hear all right, I want to
hear the argument.

Speaker 5 (01:24:12):
I want to know who is now. I feel scolded.

Speaker 4 (01:24:15):
I feel scold, just like seriously, like, why why are
well comments?

Speaker 5 (01:24:19):
It's not silly, it's Bill Belichick back is in a
silly comment.

Speaker 4 (01:24:23):
But why does a guy who wishes Bill was still
the coach, which is the premise of what he's saying.

Speaker 5 (01:24:28):
I don't know that. I'm not sure about that.

Speaker 4 (01:24:31):
I don't want Bill as the coach anymore. But doesn't
mean I'm right. I say these things all the time.
Just because they're my opinions, don't mean that they're the
only ones.

Speaker 5 (01:24:38):
Okay. David from New Jersey, You're next on the Patriots
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Speaker 6 (01:24:42):
Hi.

Speaker 5 (01:24:43):
David, Hello, David.

Speaker 10 (01:24:48):
Hi, Can you guys hear me?

Speaker 5 (01:24:49):
Yes, we can.

Speaker 10 (01:24:52):
Thanks for allowing me to speak on the show. Watch
you guys a lot. Love the content you guys are
putting out there now, O one play horrible within that
first half. Correct me if I'm wrong, but there were
five penalties between Low and Jacob, And my thing is,

(01:25:12):
why wasn't there any change until I believe the fourth quarter.
Second thing is on defense, the secondary.

Speaker 9 (01:25:21):
We need more help.

Speaker 10 (01:25:23):
I don't know what's going on with just Jones or
why in the hell is Marcus Jones and waddle for
the entire game game and exposed with no help. That
has to change. I'm honestly surprised.

Speaker 4 (01:25:38):
It wasn't just him the whole game. It was all
all three of those cornerbacks all had a crack, had
wattle at times, and none of them horrible. None of
them covered them well horrible.

Speaker 10 (01:25:49):
So my thing is, why weren't there any immediate adjustments
to that?

Speaker 4 (01:25:53):
They I just told you all three of those guys
had wattle. That's an adjustment, right, none of them could
cover them.

Speaker 10 (01:25:58):
That's not the adjustment needed, though.

Speaker 5 (01:26:01):
But I tell you what, you know what the adjustment
isn't Stefan Gilmour wasn't available to bring him into right,
So it's Alex Austin who is just back after being
injured for a while. And my guess is the coaching
staff said he's not ready to go.

Speaker 4 (01:26:16):
It's just like to.

Speaker 5 (01:26:16):
Me, they don't have Yeah, okay, thanks, No.

Speaker 4 (01:26:22):
It doesn't come down to the coaching. It comes down
to the personnel, thanks for It comes down to the personnel.
I mean, first and foremost, I don't think the coaching
is great. And I've been pretty open about that. I know,
like it seems like we're under attack with some of this,
like bring Bill back. You guys won't say it. You
guys won't say it. They made a mistake. You guys
afraid to say you guys got to just protect Mayo. No,

(01:26:43):
we're not protecting Mayo. They had a boltload of prestaff
penalties today. There's no protecting the coaching staff for that.

Speaker 5 (01:26:50):
And he took it on the chin himself, by the way,
absolutely understandably so.

Speaker 4 (01:26:53):
And I mean to sit here and suggest there's no
adjustments being made when there's three different guys trying to
cover Jalen Waddle today, none of which including Revis Gonzales,
none of them more successful doing so what more adjustments
are there going to be?

Speaker 6 (01:27:09):
Right?

Speaker 7 (01:27:10):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:27:10):
And that's the same response to the tackle question in
the open with it's yeah, you want to pull one
of those guys. Great, you're going to now City, So
who was an interior here? Or you're gonna have to
put on you back out to tackle and then bring
someone else in the guard and start rotating everybody around.
So they just don't have the depth. They don't have
the horses to start.

Speaker 5 (01:27:28):
That's the problem. Think about that for sec all apart.
Think about that for a second. They chose to replace
a tackle with a guard today. That's the state that.

Speaker 4 (01:27:35):
They're because they don't have another tackle unless you want
to move and gets don't blame that on coaching. That's
a personnel issue. They chose to go into a season
with no tackles. That's not Girod Mayo's fault. I'll blame
Girod Mayo for things that the priest to talk about, okay,
but the fact that they don't have an answer at
tackle is not his fault.

Speaker 5 (01:27:56):
Spie in Fresno, California rights woolf It hurts after this one?
Does this kn't count as the one with the bottom
fell out? Do you think players might start checking out Low?
Seems to have done so already. Look, Vaderian Low did
not play well today. He's gonna be the whipping boy
by fans a lot of way. I don't think Vandarien
low has checked out. He's professional, if nothing else, but

(01:28:16):
he tries hard. I just think they might be asking
too much of him to play left tackle in the
National Football League. That might not be his position. He
might be the best they have, which certainly is an
indictment on the position group, as Paul has already alluded to.
But I don't think it's for lack of trying for
Vederian low I don't think he's checked out.

Speaker 6 (01:28:34):
No.

Speaker 2 (01:28:34):
I mean, I think it'll be a challenge though, trying
to keep it all together over the last five games.

Speaker 5 (01:28:38):
I just don't think that is a challenge.

Speaker 4 (01:28:39):
I don't think checking out is really a big deal
in the NFL. I don't think. I think you get hurt.
I think it's a very dangerous game to play if
you're checked out. But everything Matt said is one thousand
percent correct. It's not Badarian Lowe's fault that he's not
an NFL calliable left tackle. I know that people spout
the you know, the numbers at me. He's he's in
trouble more often than not.

Speaker 2 (01:29:00):
Yeah, I mean, I also think at this point in
the year. It's just it's tough when you don't get
a good start, too, because if you get a good start,
you keep the team engaged and focused and locked in.
But you know you're three and nine now, game starts
to get out of get away from me. It's twenty
one nothing. I mean, well, the question, you know, you
way to start talking.

Speaker 5 (01:29:16):
About business decisions that might be coming, that might be coming.
Easy to drink EASi and enjoy. But like the official
beer sponsor in the Patriots, before we wrap things up,
let's go back down to Miami and we'll hear from
the quarterback Drake May after they are thirty four to
fifteen loss today to Miami.

Speaker 4 (01:29:35):
Are he'sappointing that first the second possession when you were
driving so much and just.

Speaker 8 (01:29:38):
To have us go on the way it did.

Speaker 24 (01:29:41):
There's penalties. I think the penalties just hurt us. I
think it hurt us kind of the whole first half,
just hurting ourselves. We're chance to move the ball and
these guys and uh, they're pretty good up front and
they're a good defense that we faced just and nothing
that they did, I think just penalties set us back
and kind of put us behind the eight ball and
we just can't do that.

Speaker 7 (01:29:58):
You know in this league, you.

Speaker 3 (01:30:02):
Feel like chau or maybe like instead of improving this
time of you guys are kind of.

Speaker 4 (01:30:06):
Taking a step back.

Speaker 7 (01:30:07):
Yet I wouldn't say that.

Speaker 24 (01:30:08):
I think, uh, you know, these penalties are something that
you know you can control. I don't think I think
you know, when you see something improving. I think we
were making plays and you know, we got a chance
to do some things. But I think pennies are something
that you know, it's not necessarily easy fix, but you know,
it's more focused and uh listening you know, to the
to the calls and uh to the cadence and little

(01:30:30):
thing things like that. So I don't think it's something
we're just getting beat and out talented. I think it's
just something that we're hurting ourselves. And so we got
a chance these last games to put some good film
on tape and and find with some give fund some wines.

Speaker 4 (01:30:41):
How do you feel about and calls for you?

Speaker 7 (01:30:44):
Uh, you know, credit to the stadium.

Speaker 24 (01:30:45):
I think they're they're louder than them, know, pretty loud
at times, and you know, I think just be on
different cadences and you know, we worked it all week
and just uh sometimes, you know, don't blame those guys
up front. They got a tough job and get off
on the snap count and you'll get back there and
block some pretty good guys in the edge. So you know,
I don't I don't blame them for for getting off
and trying to get a good set. And you know,
I think sometimes those happened. I just think we had,

(01:31:05):
you know, too many I think, you know holds. I
think some of them just push me down a first down,
first down. We're getting first and twenties and second and twenty,
you know, second and sixteens.

Speaker 7 (01:31:15):
It's just hard. It's hard to you know, pick up
first down to move the ball.

Speaker 5 (01:31:18):
One of the misconnections with the scenario, you kind.

Speaker 7 (01:31:21):
Of look like, I mean, I just missed him. I
just missed him.

Speaker 24 (01:31:25):
You have got a chance to go put ourselves and
go score and put some points on the board and
keep us in the ball game. Really, uh some more
is mad myself. We caught 'em in the blitz from
you know, the boundary blitz that you know really was
nobody cover 'em, So uh just got a you know,
gouya hit 'em.

Speaker 7 (01:31:37):
That's a easy throw and just missed it.

Speaker 2 (01:31:40):
So much of this year you've talked about learning experiences,
you know, doing this for the first time on the turnovers,
like what what do you take on those that you
learn from going forward?

Speaker 7 (01:31:49):
Uh? On those two plays?

Speaker 24 (01:31:51):
Uh yeah, the fumble, just just just find a way
to protect the football and go down or find a
way to get it out. I think nobody could have
spun out of it, uh, you know and kind of
reversed out of it and maybe could've you know, escaped it.
But you other than that, just can't try to. I
don't wanna swim move, swim with the guy with the football.
It's just just bad protect the football. We preached it
all week and I didn't do that out there. And
the interception, you know, just tryna make tryna take it

(01:32:13):
down and happen to get tipped.

Speaker 7 (01:32:15):
So you know, I'm not too you know, worried about that.

Speaker 2 (01:32:17):
What wouldn't touchdown to a hooper.

Speaker 24 (01:32:19):
You just broke and play and then just trying to
make a play and you'll put some ports on the board.

Speaker 13 (01:32:24):
Do you guys have worked down the way you worked it?

Speaker 2 (01:32:26):
Are you more willing to take risks you know that
that might result the.

Speaker 24 (01:32:29):
Turnovers, guys, guy question, Yeah, I think it's hard. It's
hard to balance, you know, trying to make plays and
you'll keep drives alive.

Speaker 7 (01:32:35):
You're more in third and you.

Speaker 24 (01:32:37):
Know, third and longer, the last touchdowns, fourth and fifteen,
just trying to make something happen, and you'll give us
a little give us a little light and they ended
up happening. And you know, Gunza put us back in
the ball game and then go down there and you know,
turn the ball back over. So it's tough, frustrating, and
you know we got better football ahead of us, and
you know this wasn't our best product today.

Speaker 11 (01:32:54):
Final fuss.

Speaker 4 (01:32:55):
You've won a lot of games throughout your life. How
you handle it the struggles right now?

Speaker 7 (01:32:59):
Yeah, it's tough. You know, anytime you're losing. I think,
you know, like I've always said, I hate losing women.
You know, I really like to win so and losing sucks.

Speaker 24 (01:33:07):
And I think, you know, just you know, I told
some guys' side just remember this feeling, you know, members
feeling of you know, really getting our butts up today.
And I think you know, it's only up from here,
and we got a bright you know a lot of bright,
bright future and and bright players in there.

Speaker 7 (01:33:22):
There makes some players for Patriots different.

Speaker 4 (01:33:25):
If you get a touchdown in that first it's the
second possession, but in their first sustained drive, Like, do
you ever think back to that one thing different game
if we score there?

Speaker 7 (01:33:34):
I think so.

Speaker 24 (01:33:34):
Maybe I think it's easy to say your whole new
ball game, you'll go and score fourteen seven, make a
fourteen to seven. That's a lot no better than no
pumping it away and making it, you know, twenty one zero.

Speaker 7 (01:33:45):
So what Thank you very much.

Speaker 5 (01:33:48):
There's your quarterback, Drake May. After the Patriots lose thirty
four fifteen, we're gonna try to clear the calls as
we wind things up here in the Patriots Postgame Show
presented by DraftKings. Rodney and Delaware, you're first and next
up on the Patriots Post Game Show. Hi Rodney, Hello Rodney,
we're gonna move on. No Rodney there, so we'll do this,
then we'll do this Sewn and Toronto. You're next on

(01:34:09):
the Patriots Postgame Show presented by Draft Kings. Hi Sean, Hey, guys.

Speaker 25 (01:34:15):
Thanks so much for what you do here. Seems like
the media department might be the only unit in New
England that's performing well. So thanks for taking my call.
But coming end of the season, really one of my
biggest concerns was that, you know, you get rid of
Belichick and now the defense really goes downhill. Jabrill Peppers
was in the locker room last year saying, he gives
us the game plan, we know what to do, and

(01:34:37):
we go out there and perform and you know, it
comes to light.

Speaker 17 (01:34:40):
It's what happens.

Speaker 25 (01:34:41):
And now you've got kind of a coaching staff that
I don't know if they're giving them the answers anymore.
And now you got a less than competent offense mixed
with a four defense, and I don't know where they
go from here, but just curious to hear your thoughts
on kind of how disappointing the defense has been this year.

Speaker 5 (01:34:56):
Thanks for the phone call, Sean. And that's a legitimate
point that I know that people are starting to talk
a little bit about. And that's if you don't miss
the drafting or other things that maybe people were critical
of a build. Do they missed the defensive game plans
that they had.

Speaker 4 (01:35:10):
I mean, I think they probably do.

Speaker 2 (01:35:11):
Yeah, I think there's I mean, there's got to be
a level of luck. I mean, I think it'd be
disrespectful of Bill Belichick to say that the defense that
lost his input didn't miss a beat, and that isn't
a part of what they're doing right now. I've just
I've said before that, I just I think that there's
a line between, you know, having a new defensive codeter
and being one of the bottom three defenses in pretty
much everything and not have anything you do well or

(01:35:31):
that you can hang your hat on consistently. Hard to
hang your hat on anything, you know, I'll take an
average defense, you know, I'll take even you know, some
team that's in the mid twenties, or you know they're
getting takeaways though, or oh this guy's really you guys
aren't really blossoming. Players aren't blossoming, they're not getting takeaways.
I mean, I guess you could say they get off
the field on third down. Those statistics would tell you that.
I think we know that there's some nuance to that.

(01:35:51):
But that's that's the hard part. They're just even with
Bill's bad defenses, there are always some things you could
hang your hat on and say, yeah, but they're going
to at least take the runaway or they're going there.
They're gonna get a couple of takeaways in this game.
This this defense doesn't tell anything.

Speaker 4 (01:36:05):
I think they've missed them. It was something that I
was a little concerned about in the offseason, But I
think the bigger thing is they're they're facing teams that
are that are healthy for the most part, and I
didn't expect it to bottom out. Mike, you will have
the numbers like they're like bottom three in DV Away
or something like that. I didn't expect it to be
bottomed out like this, but I also knew that they

(01:36:27):
weren't going to get the fortunate that they had the
last two years of one backup quarterback after another. They
faced one this year. There's a big difference between facing
those backups and facing the real thing. When Stafford's got
Nicoua and Cup that's a tall order. And last year,
in a situation like that, you would have faced a
backup because it would it just the way it worked out.

(01:36:49):
I think they faced eight backup quarterbacks last year.

Speaker 5 (01:36:52):
Jay and Virginia, you'll be the last on the Patriots
postgame Show presented by DraftKings hij Hello J and with
that we say goodbye. To Jay, Well, let's look ahead
here as we wrap things up. Patriots lose thirty four
to fifteen today to Miami. They're home next week before

(01:37:12):
a bye where they have the Indianapolis Colts. I think
coaching SAT's always worry about a team looking ahead. This
team needs a buy in a bad way. It's going
to be December before they get that real break. They can't.
They're certainly not in a position to ever look past anything.
And dare I say the Colts present a team with
a quarterback where there's some question marks. They're physically tremendously talented,

(01:37:35):
but not very prolific from an offense. As Paul was
talking about, they've had trouble stopping the prolific quarterbacks. This
might be a chance to get a win here next
week in Foxborough.

Speaker 4 (01:37:43):
Yeah, it might be.

Speaker 2 (01:37:44):
I mean, we'll see. I mean, it's look, we're they're
at the bottom of the league. We're at the bottom
of the league. It's it's gonna be one of those games.
How does it unfold? And you know, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:37:53):
I think we're at a different bottom of the league
than they are. And they're in the playoff picture right there. Yeah,
and this is another guy. I mean, he's not efficient
at all, but I just you know, watching the numbers
go by again, one hundred and seventy two yards on
eleven completions. Again, like so, he doesn't complete a lot
of passes, but when he does, he likes dosequis. He
finds a way to get the ball downfield, and I

(01:38:16):
think that's been a huge, uh the huge factor for them.
I think Josh Downs may have left that game.

Speaker 7 (01:38:22):
He did.

Speaker 4 (01:38:23):
We'll check on some of the injury things, but this
is done. The team that's better than you. I'm sorry
to say it that way, but they have more talent.

Speaker 5 (01:38:32):
Thirty four to fifteen. New England loses in Miami today
to fall this three and nine, Right?

Speaker 4 (01:38:37):
Is that what this looks like? Now?

Speaker 5 (01:38:39):
That's tough and that'll do it for us. Here for
Chris Judge for Josh Davis, Dave Soanovitz, Anthony Morini, Nick Popolo,
Matt Lapan, and Matt Morele. I'm Matt Smith for Paul
Prolo and four Michael Dusau. The Patriots lose thirty four
to fifteen. Next week it's the Indianapolis Colts at home.
Happy Thanksgiving, everybody, have a great week.

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