Patriots Postgame Show 11/3: Full Analysis of Patriots 20-17 Loss Against the Titans

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Well, we welcome you inside Jillette Stadium for the Patriots
postgame show presented by DraftKings, where a little extra football
happened free football. Patriots couldn't capitalize after Drake May literally
himself willed them into overtime. They lose twenty to seventeen. Paul,
not a lot of style points, but an entertaining way
to get into overtime. Give me a little instant analysis

(01:59):
and instant reaction.

Speaker 3 (02:00):
Yeah, I would say in general terms, the Patriots have
a quarterback and really very little else. He's raw, He's
still raw as hell, but man, he's got And I
hate to You're an old school talk radio guy, right,
so I hate to fall back on the clear. He's

(02:20):
got it. There's something there, he's got something to him.
Obviously a disappointing end into the game. And I'm not
making excuses. That's a terrible decision in it vision overtime
and overtime, but you're not anywhere near over time without
him today. And he was basically the entirety of your offense.

Speaker 5 (02:40):
Right.

Speaker 3 (02:40):
You can't run. He has to throw it like three
times to guys for every one time they catch it.
He's completely under siege. He had no pass protection at
all for four full quarters, five quarters today. It's disappointing.
But I look at that, I take away that you

(03:01):
have a quarterback, and I'm pretty comfortable in saying that.
Now I've been saying it looks it, it looks it,
it looks it.

Speaker 4 (03:07):
He can play, he can play.

Speaker 3 (03:09):
He's only going to get better.

Speaker 4 (03:10):
You got to add around him, to add around him.
So you know, one way to look at this is
they lose the game, but you you feel a little
bit and I think, I don't want to put words
in your mouth, you feel a little bit better about
the quarterback position and the decision that you made to
take him. The problem here is that that was a
winnable game, Paul, you know, against it team, Like, I

(03:31):
don't know how much business they had going to overtime
in that game because they got outplayed by Tennessee. But
Tennessee's not very good as well, and so once again
you've got an opportunity to do something and you failed
to do so. So it's hard as you're trying to
build for the future in this team, but here's a
game that's right there to be had and they make
the plays and you don't.

Speaker 3 (03:51):
Now the other part of that is, yeah, you did.
You had a chance to steal the game.

Speaker 4 (03:57):
Steal the game. That's a better way of saying.

Speaker 3 (03:58):
You know, and this is the second time in three
weeks you're playing a one win team that was better
than you on the field. Yep, and they were they
were just flat out better. Yeah, but because of your quarterback,
you had a chance to steal the game at the end,
you know, he got you to overtime. I'd have gone
for two because I completely I hadn't. I don't like allowing,

(04:20):
you know, games to be decided on coin flips. I
had no faith that the Patriots were going to stop Tennessee.
They really didn't stop them all day, right, and they
stopped them on ultimately because they fumbled the Yeah, so
I would have gone for two and taken a shot.
I'm not gonna kill you know, No, no, no, it's
not a bad probably questions, it's not a bad it's
not a bad decision by jerd I'm not killing him. No,

(04:41):
it's not gonna be on my bad list in a
little while. I just would have felt like Drake May
was gonna run around and make a player on a
two point conversion to win the game. If you had
called it. That's the way I felt. But Mike, I
just you got you got a quarterback. You got to
figure out how to get the other fifty two guys.

Speaker 6 (04:58):
Yeah, that's it.

Speaker 2 (04:58):
I mean, uh, I mean it was kind of what
I was afraid was gonna happen. I mean, there were
three turnovers for Drake. I mean not that I think
that those are what I'm gonna focus on. I just
I thought he continued to fight in there. I didn't
get a lot of help really from anything around him.
I didn't think the defense really gave him a lot
of help.

Speaker 6 (05:13):
But I agree with Paul.

Speaker 2 (05:14):
I'm, you know, encourage right now about Drake May. So
I'm trying not to think about losing to that team
because Paul's right, like the Patriots were hanging on by
there the skin of their teeth with this one win
Titans team.

Speaker 6 (05:26):
But I was hoping Drake May was going to be
the difference. He almost was, but not today.

Speaker 3 (05:30):
Good news, boys, We're all zero and three so far
in the six.

Speaker 6 (05:33):
Pack, right.

Speaker 4 (05:34):
I mean, Paul, I think in the pregame show, you
you said, if you lose the turnover battle, you will lose.
And they lost a turnover battle. And they lost. Yeah,
and I thought that to a team that doesn't take
it away is the point that you right really highlighted.

Speaker 3 (05:48):
I felt if they didn't win the turnover battle the game,
the game would go down to the wire. If they
lost the turnover battle, I didn't see them winning, right,
and yeah, that's the way the game unfolded.

Speaker 4 (06:00):
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about the game. We want to hear from you. Let's
get to the good, the bad, and the injured to
kick things off, Matt.

Speaker 1 (06:17):
Please, now it's time for the good but good.

Speaker 6 (06:21):
But they be they good, the bad, and the injured.

Speaker 3 (06:27):
Ah ah, you are right guy?

Speaker 4 (06:34):
All right, Paul, do you want to kick us off?
I'm sure we all agree on probably one person who else?

Speaker 5 (06:39):
Good?

Speaker 3 (06:40):
Well, I will and just you know real quick, because
you would asked a quick stats question as you and
I were walking over together. The answer to that is
twelve carries for fifteen yards.

Speaker 4 (06:49):
Yeah that's what.

Speaker 3 (06:50):
Yeah, that's just that's that's enough. That's your rushing total
minus Drake May. So okay, so we'll kick off. I mean,
I think you know, I just talked about Mail. I
just everything that he brought. And this was not by
any means like if he plays a game like he
did today in the middle of his third year, I

(07:11):
will not be gushing about Drake May. Okay, but given
it's his fourth start, the pass protection is a mess.

Speaker 6 (07:21):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (07:22):
The receivers are dropping, you know, a couple of important
passes pretty much every week now, including one to start off.
The final drive to try to tie the game goes
right through Demario Douglas's hands. He's forced to run for
his life and make plays just his in Uh. Why
can't I not speak improvisation, improvisational skills better? Just unbelievable, unbelievable.

(07:47):
So I know we turned the ball over three times
today and that's not going to be acceptable. Like I said,
you know, a couple of years from now, but today,
the only reason why you were in the game in
the fifth quarter was Drake May.

Speaker 4 (07:57):
Mike, is this a is this a growing pains Drake
May game that you sort of alluded to in the
pregame I mean a little bit. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (08:05):
I just I was more worried that he was gonna
play really bad. And I don't think that he played,
you know great. I mean, we had the turnovers, which
you know, we can dial into how much you want
to give him blame on some of those, but it
wasn't exactly what I was thinking. But at the same time,
it was because at the end of the day, the
fumble late in the game, game the points, uh, you know,

(08:26):
and then and then the last one ended the game.

Speaker 6 (08:27):
So I mean, I guess it was kind of true,
but I just.

Speaker 2 (08:30):
Like to see in a little bit of clutch from him,
a little bit of that. I mean, that's just a
great sign. You know, that's just a great sign. That's
something to believe in, something to build off of that
Guys can look at him and you know that. That's
just what I was thinking when this whole thing was
going on, is does this kid have a little magic
in him? And you know, not enough magic to get
the win, but there was a little magic there today,
And I think that's something new that we we haven't

(08:52):
really seen situationally. We know he can make the throws,
we know he's got the physical talent. But I think
what we saw today was a little bit of situational excellence,
which is just that's if you're going to get the guy.
That is such a critical factor of the guy.

Speaker 4 (09:05):
Yeah, I think we need to you know it. Maybe
it seems like we're grading on a curve a little bit,
because to get him into overtime was, you know, especially
with not a lot of help, her herculean to get
him into overtime. But we got to be fair about this.
And the turnovers weren't good. Oh I'm gonna cut him
some slacks.

Speaker 3 (09:24):
All three turnovers roight.

Speaker 4 (09:25):
Yeah, I mean ball security isn't great, you know, but
you got to know that that pressure is coming from behind.
You got it into pace out a little bit bad awareness, yea, absolutely,
and I don't think I think really the decision making
on both interceptions were poor. Yes, he was pressured on
the first one a little bit on the second one.
Is he trying to make a play? Poll You're gonna
cut him some slack on that one, but no, still

(09:45):
he will, but he wasn't open.

Speaker 3 (09:47):
Yeah, Like I said, if I'm judging the quarterback as
an NFL quarterback, that's an inexcusable play. First down right,
first town. You know it's not third and ten, it's
it's first and ten.

Speaker 4 (09:57):
Here's your so here's a strip right hipsack was bad.

Speaker 3 (10:00):
Awareness in the pocket. Could have used some help from
Michael Hasty. They're nice to fall in the bamble with
the whiff. I don't think he got a hand on
it right. It's hard to do. But the first interception
was probably the worst of the three. Like he's got
some pressure and he double clutches, Mike. We've seen this
in the summer. So yeah, Like I'm telling you that
I really like Drake May today and I see a

(10:22):
lot of great stuff. I mean, eight scrambles for ninety
five yards, twenty nine for forty one no yardage though
two oh six. It's a really low total for what
he won.

Speaker 4 (10:31):
Sufficient And there wasn't any explosiveness, you.

Speaker 3 (10:33):
Know, because they threw all screens no, no, I understand.
I mean, how many wide receiver screens for one yard?
Did they throw it?

Speaker 5 (10:38):
Right?

Speaker 3 (10:39):
So, like the completion percentage to me is they do
care about that? But he made play after play like
the little underhand scoop to Stevenson, like plays that you
forget about because in the grand scheme and things, you know,
you're only talking about the last drive. But I mean,
this is unfair, Like so we go by Tom Brady, right,

(11:00):
and that's unfair that way. I'm gonna go the other way.
Can you imagine mac Jones playing that game today? What
it would have looked like? They might have punted twelve
times today if if mac Jones was playing.

Speaker 4 (11:11):
You mentioned to play Paul, and this one was a
maddening to me, where they threw a wide receiver screen
where they lost three yards, Like that's hard to do.

Speaker 5 (11:19):
You know.

Speaker 2 (11:20):
There there were quite a few plays like that today
where it's just I mean it literally felt like two
steps forward, one step back, yeah, two steps forward, you know,
made them throw eleven yard pass and then they lose
three yards and then he throw twelve you know, like
it's just it felt a lot of like that.

Speaker 3 (11:33):
He kept running them out of trouble, like right down
to overtime, correct, right down to overtime. They have you know, uh,
second and long, I think, and he scrambles and picks
up the first out.

Speaker 4 (11:45):
You guys have stats in front of you, just one
thing to carry out second and ten. It was on
that the stats Paul Fox had him, I think going
into overtime four sacks, five hurries, and I don't know
that that doesn't justice as far as the pressure that
he was under throughout the game, I would say, Uh,
it was a step backwards for your offensive line today,

(12:05):
certainly from a pass protection and they haven't been able
to run the ball for weeks. So, you know, not
a great game out of your offensive line.

Speaker 2 (12:12):
Well, it's a little bit of reality, I think with
Ben Brown at center and Jeffrey Simmons and I mean
you mentioned it in the in the pregame show and
he took two holding penalties on him. Yeah, that's a
really hard matchup, and you know, it's just it's unfortunate.
You felt like they were building a little bit, and
it felt this week like it was just kind of
stagnant Patriots everywhere.

Speaker 4 (12:31):
But May to me, okay, so we agree on May.
Who else is on your good list, Paul, Well, Mike,
you want to throw it, I throw.

Speaker 6 (12:38):
Hunter Henry out there. I mean, it's just kind of
what I had Henry again, it's kind of what I
do with him.

Speaker 2 (12:42):
He's just he's reliable. You know, I wish he could
make more of an impact than he does. But he's
you know, he's the safety blanket and luckily he seemed
like he avoided an injury. But he continues to just
be the reliable guy on this offense, and you know,
a safety blanket for May. Another solid night for him,
seven catches, fifty six yards, eight targets, So I mean
he's catching just about everything throwing his way.

Speaker 3 (13:03):
Fourth and two game on the line, gotta have it, yep, yep.

Speaker 6 (13:06):
So a big play from him.

Speaker 7 (13:08):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (13:08):
He was one of the few other guys, maybe one
of the only other guys that I really I'm.

Speaker 4 (13:13):
A punt returner Marcus Jones. So or is that on
a curve because of who they were playing?

Speaker 3 (13:17):
No, I had, I had Marcus Jones park returns on
this is the same was last week. I have Marcus
Jones on both lists, but I have Marcus Jones, the
part returner on the good list. Absolutely. I mean, on
a day where you couldn't move the ball all day,
he set up two short fields for you. One of
them you took advantage of, one of them you didn't.
But ultimately I don't think they score. They if they

(13:38):
had to go seventy yards at the end of the game.
I don't think they score, but they only had to
go fifty, so that's a big difference.

Speaker 4 (13:44):
All right, anybody else make the good list.

Speaker 3 (13:48):
I had a couple and Mike, you went.

Speaker 5 (13:49):
To go ahead.

Speaker 3 (13:50):
I ditrich Wise. I thought was his best game of
the year. I thought he had a good, good sequence
early in the game where Tennessee gets the ball, goes
right down and scores, and then they have I think
their second drive. I might have this sequence off, but
I think it was their second drive, and they looked
like they were promising again, and he comes up with
a sack to put up, you know, get you with

(14:10):
a third and long situation. They try to set up
a screen that he recognized and he jumped up and
he blew up. So I thought he was pretty active today,
and I thought they missed him for that short period.
I think he only missed a little time ding, but
I thought they missed his presence. I thought he played
well jesuis wise, so he was on my good list.

Speaker 4 (14:27):
Yeah, I don't know that he did enough to make
that like. There's just maddening plays where he you'll understand
the reference, Paul, he Chris slades it way way too
many times. You know, tremendous move off the line of
scrimmage and he runs past the quarterback and it's it's
an easy play. They fails to set an edge, fails

(14:47):
to contain quarterback can do whatever he wants in that play.
There's too many of those for a guy who's been
in the league as long as he is. The undisciplined stuff.
As far as I'm concerned, he makes plays, he does,
and he was decent today, But it's the running past
the quarterback stuff that that drives me wacky. Might how
about you.

Speaker 6 (15:02):
I just mentioned Jilani Tavai too.

Speaker 2 (15:03):
I mean I think more more early than late, and
you know, I would have liked more defensive plays. But
I thought, you know, he had the interception, he had
a nice run stop there, which again they weren't really
able to take advantage of.

Speaker 3 (15:14):
I had both of those plays listed.

Speaker 2 (15:15):
But yeah, I thought he was good. I think he
led the team in tackles too, So just you know,
better performance from him. Not good enough overall from the defense.
I'd say that's my bigger takeaway. But but some solid
this play should.

Speaker 3 (15:26):
Have got him off the field, and I think this
is the opening drive of the game, right yep. And
then I think third an eleven is when Rudolph scrambles
for the first down. It might have been a play
that Matt's talking about, but maybe you know, I'd have
to go back and look, but maybe Wise was guilty
of being behind the quarter about.

Speaker 4 (15:39):
Terrific play on the tip drill here. Look in regulation,
the Patriots defense gives up seventeen points.

Speaker 3 (15:44):
You'd like to think defense today, I can't do it.

Speaker 4 (15:47):
No, I'm just saying to it. They weren't very That's misleading,
I think, is what I was going to say. Oh,
you only give up seventy points, you shuld your team
should be able to win the game off of that.
Yet I'm with you. And then it looked like apologize,
no no words. They could do whatever they wanted. I'm
surprised they just didn't hand it off to Pollard every
single time. Mike. I was surprised. I'd asked you at

(16:07):
some point time in thinking overtime, he was only at
four point six a carry, and it seemed a lot
more than that.

Speaker 6 (16:13):
Yeah, they had they had success.

Speaker 2 (16:14):
I mean, it seems like teams are that little cracked
toss jets had some success with that one, attacking the
edges of the Patriots defense, getting them out in space,
making them move. They don't really have the interior guys
that can sift through and get over to the sideline
and make those plays, so they're gonna conte you to
see that play over and over and over again.

Speaker 6 (16:33):
Teams clearly have a beat on them with that play.

Speaker 3 (16:35):
Yeah, I mean I will get to the bad I
had also, and this wasn't anything eye popping. Kendrick Bourne
I thought, you know, looked a little bit more like
Kendrick Bourne today, Yeah, you know, just looking at his
numbers four for forty one, so yeah, nothing eye popping.
But we've been looking for that other guy, you know,
like Hunter Henry's there every week and they can't figure

(16:58):
out somebody else.

Speaker 8 (16:59):
So now.

Speaker 3 (17:02):
Douglas is clearly the number one to facto number one,
but I think Bourne took a step today toward maybe
being you know, the Kendrick Bourne of old. Yeah, and
it's you know, he had a chance in the end zone.
Good play by the defensive back who I actually thought
should have picked it off, but he knocked it away,
not on born that he didn't catch that he had
his hands on it the guy knocked it out of

(17:23):
his hands. So yeah, I thought that was I thought
that was a positive sign for Kendrick Bourne not getting
a lot. No right right, I thought we should mention him.

Speaker 2 (17:32):
He had a false star penalty too though, So you know,
so no, just no, no, you're right, I'm greed. Yeah,
but because that's how it is.

Speaker 3 (17:39):
He was like five yards downfield.

Speaker 4 (17:40):
Yep.

Speaker 6 (17:41):
This is kind of the how it goes when you
have a team like this.

Speaker 2 (17:44):
I I mean, other than the first couple guys, it's
hard to really pound the table for these guys really
really really having great games.

Speaker 6 (17:51):
But I like what I saw at Kendrick Bourne today,
and you're you're hopeful that that.

Speaker 4 (17:55):
Could lead to something.

Speaker 3 (17:56):
Yeah, I guess that was more why I put it on. Yeah, yeah,
it was Matt little something. Matt articulated my my mentioning
of Kendrick Bourne better than I did.

Speaker 4 (18:04):
You go, all right, does that is that? Is that
it for your good list? Michael?

Speaker 6 (18:10):
Yeah, okay, nobody else.

Speaker 4 (18:12):
I have a feeling that this next list could be lengthy,
and Michae, I'll let you kick it off.

Speaker 2 (18:18):
Begin you know, I just I want to just call
out that I just want to call out the start defensively,
come out and just let them go right down the field.

Speaker 3 (18:25):
Like you know what I wrote at the top, not
ready defensively.

Speaker 2 (18:28):
Yeah, that to me just set the whole tone, and
instantly the game felt different than it felt last week,
you know, and we not even just getting into how
much they talked about we need a great start, we
need a great start. It just really wasn't anything. I mean,
they were just right down then the big plays. I
mean I think they had four plays a ten plus
yards including a big twenty yarder. Uh, it just it

(18:49):
came out instantly, set the tone. It instantly kind of
you know, made me feel like they were on their
heels and it just kind of felt like they were
fighting it all day. There were other possessions that aren't like,
you know, they only gave up a couple first downs,
but there was only only that very last possession in
regular and regulation was the only time they forced a
three and out and didn't allow.

Speaker 6 (19:05):
A first down. So every other drive they allowed at
least two first downs on those drives.

Speaker 3 (19:10):
So Tennessee moved it every time yards like Tennessee moved
the ball all day except for the one time when
they went conservative.

Speaker 4 (19:17):
Right, they they stopped them.

Speaker 3 (19:19):
They had thrown the ball on one of those three plays,
they would have run the clock out, correct.

Speaker 6 (19:23):
So I just that whole thing to me, just defense
not being ready.

Speaker 4 (19:26):
So we talked a little bit in the pregame show
about trends. You know, you want to go before Jacksonville,
that's fine, but I'll just use the three week sample.
Whatever they gave up against Jacksonville uncompetitive. Their run defense
was it better last week? As Paul said, marginally, but
still you know, the Jets ran the ball and this
week Tennessee could run it whenever they wanted to run it.

(19:49):
I wonder do they have the horses to stop the run?

Speaker 3 (19:53):
Yeah? I think that's the bottom line now, Matt, I
just don't think they do.

Speaker 4 (19:57):
Because clearly the coaching staff, like, what are you going
to do? Play eight in the blocks every single down?
You can't do that.

Speaker 3 (20:02):
It was one hundred and sixty seven yards again today,
So what's the outlier? It's one hundred and thirteen you
allowed against the Jets because the Jets, you know, weren't
in a position where they could keep running, and they didn't.
But you never really stopped them, like I think Breese
Hall averaged five yards to carry last ronk, so it's

(20:23):
not like you shut him down. It's just that he
didn't get enough carries.

Speaker 6 (20:26):
Yeah, it's just your thing. They can run all over you,
but the game is still somehow cl you know, it's
like they can't.

Speaker 2 (20:32):
They're giving up over one hundred and fifty yards every game,
I mean, and that's that's the defining characteristic of this defense.

Speaker 3 (20:38):
I mean, listen, you lost a game in overtime, so
obviously you could have won it, right. I thought there
were about three or four plays in this game that
prevented ten And you know, the announcers we're talking about
it constantly, Jason Bennetti and Mark Schlerez about how Brian
Callahan has lamented the mistakes and when they make a mistake,
they can't overcome it. So you get a touchdown call back,

(21:03):
you have another touchdown bounce off of guy's hands, and
end up getting an interception, so you don't even get
three out of it. You get the ball back at
the face mask that you're going to get off the
field and force a field goal, and you get called
for face mask. Like those three plays go the other way,
and this is not a game. We're not talking about

(21:23):
an overtime game. We're talking about a blowout.

Speaker 6 (21:26):
It's almost like watching two teams compete against themselves.

Speaker 3 (21:29):
That's exactly. That first drive of the second half was
absolutely that. Yeah, the three penalties by the Patriots, the
three penalties by the.

Speaker 4 (21:35):
Six flaves overall, and it's just one of it was
esthetically one of the worst drives you'd ever want to see.
Good for the Patriots to punch it in, Paul, I
want to you know, you're talking about the mistakes here,
and I'm wondering if this weighed into Gerardmeo's decision at
all to go for two. Let's take the short thing,
alleged short thing and the extra point, you know what
we've got to It's not like their defense was on

(21:56):
the field for a lote. It only played I think
sixty or sixty one snaps before overtime. They will make
a mistake, because that's what they've done so far. They'll
make another mistake and we'll either get off the field
or get in a position to get the ball. I'm
wondering if that was part of what is good.

Speaker 3 (22:11):
It's as good a reason as any I would have
looked at it and said, I haven't really stopped them
all day. I don't not really expect them to stop them,
But you know that maybe that's what he was hoping,
is his defense could go out and make a play
and then he wins the game on a turnover with
a with a short field goal.

Speaker 4 (22:27):
No bad list for mister Paul Prilo.

Speaker 3 (22:30):
Let's see. I I agree with Mike's overarching, overarching point
about the defense in general. I thought the pass protection
today was really subpar, big like really subpar. Like I
don't think it was great last week. I think that
it was sort of circumstantial. I think the game changed
a little bit when May came out and Brisset went in.

(22:52):
I think they got hurt by some of the scrambles
and that kind of affected the Jets for a little while.
But regardless of what happened last week, today they were
they weren't really even like traffic cones. Like they were
getting immediate pressure on like half of the snaps and listen,
I don't know what the numbers will be, and frankly,
I don't care what the numbers will be. They get

(23:15):
beat all the time from both edges, from the middle,
from stunts, from twists, from everything the other team wants
to do. This is a team that does not get
after the passer at all. I think Harold Landry was
their leadering sacks before. I thought it was too half okay,
but you could be no, no, you're right, it is four.

(23:35):
It was four all of a sudden. Today. These guys,
you know, these guys Jeffrey Simmons look like Chris Jones. Yeah,
in that game. I know that he is a good player,
like people like I was kind of critical of the
center Ben Brown, who I thought was awful last week
was Quinn Williams. What do you expect? I expected to

(23:58):
be an NFL player and compete, like at some point
it was a nice story that he got signed on
a Thursday and played on Sunday and the game didn't
collapse because Ben Brown was there, and you get and
you get a pat on the back for that. But
I'm not going to grate on a curve every week.
Jeffrey Simmons is a really good football player. That was

(24:18):
non competitive today for the large part. You know, with
the guys in the middle. Leaden Robinson really struggled.

Speaker 6 (24:24):
To back pulled him back out, you know, the juggling
going on the past.

Speaker 3 (24:29):
Protection was a problem period.

Speaker 2 (24:33):
Mike, Uh yeah, Bryce Behinger, just I mean that first uh,
that first fifteen yard punt.

Speaker 6 (24:40):
I mean again you talk about just tone setting. I
mean that to me.

Speaker 3 (24:44):
There's another one the Titans. There's three more points that
get taken off the board by a Titans penalty. I
forgot about that one because that punt set them up
in field goal range. They got down inside the twenty,
you got called back, and then they end up having
to just run out the clock at the end because
of the penalties. That's a that and that didn't cost
him points. But you're right about that was a bad
punt at a bad time.

Speaker 6 (25:03):
And that that one was the worst one. He knew
it right there.

Speaker 4 (25:06):
He would have got off his foot like that one
was the worst one.

Speaker 6 (25:08):
But he had another bad one late, this one late, you.

Speaker 8 (25:10):
Know, I just.

Speaker 4 (25:12):
You know, he got he got lucky with the roll roll.
But still, I mean, that was a bad punt in
the golden age of punting where seemingly every team's got
a weapon. Yes, do I know that? What did he
go five six straight games with fifty yard punts?

Speaker 8 (25:23):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (25:24):
No, it's like one hundred.

Speaker 4 (25:25):
Okay, but like who cares? Right, Like why do we? Everybody?
Everybody does, and he he has a maddeningly ability to
shank the ball too often, his lack of consistency, and
if he doesn't do that, it's boom right down the middle.
I'll kick the coverage so that the guy returns it
back for a touchdown.

Speaker 6 (25:42):
Yep, you know, ye, no, no question.

Speaker 2 (25:44):
They need they need him to find some consistency here
in year two, and it's got to be, you know,
just maddening as a coach. I'd imagine when you have
a player that you know physically is able to crush
the ball and flip field position, and for whatever reason,
it's like spinning the dial every time he goes back
for a kick. You don't know, are we going to
get a shank? Are we going to get a boomer?
They got to find a way to figure that out.

(26:05):
And it's just it's like the last thing you need
is a bad team. As a bad team, when your
punter is then as that inconsistent and you're you just
have nothing to save your offense. Your offense goes out,
goes three and out, and now you know you're not
even you're not even gaining anything in field position when
you're getting bad punts.

Speaker 3 (26:20):
So yeah, just not the timing. Like Mike brought this
up too. It's like that's when his shank comes.

Speaker 9 (26:26):
Is that right?

Speaker 3 (26:26):
That failed two minute drill at the end of the
half where you're kind kind of in between are we
going for it? Are we not? And that happened. They
had second in less than two. It was like second
and a long, one nothing, third and one nothing. Now
all of a sudden, you're punting and your punter gets
it was a fifteen yard I thought.

Speaker 6 (26:45):
They saw that was that was the very first one.
The very first one was a fifteen.

Speaker 3 (26:48):
Years Yeah, fifteen yard punt. Like you're very fortunate that
that didn't cost your points. You can't give away points
like that with your punter.

Speaker 4 (26:56):
All right, Paul, you just mentioned it, but not in
this context. The end of the half, and the Patriots
took the ball at the end of the half, and
let's see how they're going to bollocks at this time?

Speaker 3 (27:06):
What's execution this is? I thought they handled this the
right way. You pick up a good gain on first down,
they get up and run the second down play and
they don't get it, so they rightly are not in
any rush. You don't want to give the other team
a chance to get the ball back. So I thought
they played the clock right in this case. I thought

(27:27):
Mayo did a good job or Alex Manpelt whoever you
know you want to give credit slash blame to. But
you got to get a yard, right, Like it's a
two minutes real You can't get a yard when the
other team's playing past.

Speaker 4 (27:39):
It was second to one and third and one and
they got stuffed, right, that's my recall.

Speaker 6 (27:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (27:44):
Yeah, and then Tennessee calls time out and they have
a chance with you know, I don't have thirty five
forty seconds at the end of the half for a
cheap possession that gets exacerbated by the punt.

Speaker 4 (27:53):
Yeah, and look, you're right when you mentioned execution. I
think my concern at the time was on the third
down play when they're still in the huddle with eight
seconds left to go and they're scrambling to the line
of scrimmage to try to, you know, run the play.
You mentioned correctly that they were playing it right from
a clock chain before here.

Speaker 3 (28:13):
I think that's by design. This is my point. I
think they're trying to get get out of the huddle,
quick line up and run the play.

Speaker 4 (28:19):
But you got to get it. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (28:21):
It looked like, now if they got a penalty, I
would have said, you know what are we doing?

Speaker 4 (28:24):
Yeah, it looked like the head coach didn't love it,
and it was imploring them to, you know, to speak
things up. You're looking at it here, just yeah, but look.

Speaker 3 (28:34):
At all the penetration there.

Speaker 4 (28:35):
So they lose two.

Speaker 3 (28:36):
It's Kenneth Murray there, the old charger. You know, it
just bright, It breaks through the middle of the line.
No one touches him.

Speaker 4 (28:45):
Do you want to go so far as saying it's bad?
But their end of the half twelve offensively twelve not.

Speaker 3 (28:50):
Good for fifteen yards, twelve rushes for fifteen yards, ten
for sixteen from Andre Stevenson, Like you can't. I'm not
a big run the ball guy. I don't care about
ear hole and I really don't. You can't run the
ball for fifteen yards and expect to win, Like you

(29:12):
got to give me something, right, I mean, Tom Brady's
not throwing the ball fifty five times against the Vikings.
We're just going to run the ball for ten yards,
you know, We're not doing that. That's thought the way
this team is built.

Speaker 2 (29:23):
Now, Yeah, what else, Mike, You know, he wasn't that
involved in the game, but Jalen Polk, I got it.
He's he's my guy, so I got to be the
one to put him up there. It's just the two penalties,
one target, no catches that you know, Like again, his
role was reduced, and I like what I saw out
of Bourne, So I don't want to kill the guy.

Speaker 6 (29:40):
It wasn't like they were relying on him. But I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (29:44):
You can't have more penalties than targets if you're a
wide receiver, especially if you're up against it like he is.
Just unfortunately, I'd rather if he just did nothing. I'd
rather he did nothing and then we could say, well,
we're like somehow still found a way to get a
couple negative things to kind of continue his streak of
poor play right now. So unfortunatest cost him some yards
here on this on this play when he got a

(30:05):
thing for the holding call. So yeah, it's just tough
day for Jalen Polk. He continues to struggle and fight it.

Speaker 3 (30:11):
So I brought up before the game, you know, always
sure that Polk is going to be active. Yeah, So
what I'm thinking about is this, if, in fact, you know,
going in that Bourne is kind of assuming some of
that role and Polk is going to be limited and
you're trying to to do the best you can to

(30:31):
win the game. Is there an argument to be made
for Thornton over Polk because it's a totally different skill set.
I'm not under any illusions that taekwon Thornton plays this game,
they win, That's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying
is is he different than Polk? And if Polk's not
going to play a role because BOE's more active, is
there an argument to be made? I would personally probably

(30:53):
say no. I would stick with Polk. I'm playing a
little Devil's advocate.

Speaker 4 (30:57):
Just ask him no.

Speaker 2 (30:58):
I would probably say new too, just because I kind
of feel like I know what Thornton is right now,
and I've given him a few different chances where I
felt like we knew what he is. Now, let's give
him another chet. I had a pretty good camp, let's
get him out there again. Like That's just where I'm.

Speaker 6 (31:10):
At with Thornton.

Speaker 2 (31:10):
I think that's I just don't think he's gonna be
able to contribute. I'd rather just try to break Polk
out of his funk.

Speaker 3 (31:16):
But I got an early second hour of the show
Tuesday topic, when is it time to start worrying about
Polk because I've arrived.

Speaker 4 (31:24):
Yeah, I'm arrived there too, and I want to hold
myself accountable because I said in the pregame show again,
I wasn't expecting ten for one hundred and forty three,
but I thought he would make a contribution, make a play,
and Mike, you're right, it wasn't a lot. But when
your contribution on the stat sheet is two penalties, I'm
wondering if there needs to be some Polk sit time
and watch time and observe time because it's not carrying

(31:46):
on to the field whenever he let's assume that he's
having good practice, uh play and everything like that, it's
not carrying over to the field.

Speaker 5 (31:53):
It's not.

Speaker 3 (31:53):
It's not.

Speaker 6 (31:54):
And I mean, I I joined Paul, I joined Paul
in the worry call him, you know.

Speaker 2 (31:58):
And it's just and sometimes it makes sense to me,
like certain guys like you know, I just I don't
see it on the practice field, and I don't think
that they're that good, and when they don't play that good,
I like, I just I thought Poke would be okay.
I thought Pok would be an okay contributor, solid kind
of kid. And I just haven't really witnessed a player
like this that I kind of believe has some talent
to play in this league. Can't seem to overcome the

(32:21):
mental block right now that that to me is what's
standing out, And I'm not sure what the answer is.

Speaker 6 (32:26):
How do you Maybe it's sit him down.

Speaker 2 (32:27):
I thought maybe keep him playing, trying to, you know,
feed but it seems like the coaches are with us
right now trying to figure out what's wrong with him
and using whatever they can to try to break them
out of it.

Speaker 4 (32:35):
The other flavor of the month for the fans is
the other draft picking the fourth round Javon Baker. I
lost track of it, but at one point time, I
think three quarters of the way through the game, he
was on the field for three offensive snaps.

Speaker 3 (32:48):
I missed him. I didn't see him on the.

Speaker 4 (32:49):
Fils, no no targets. I think he might have been
on the field. I mean he was the designated touchback guy.

Speaker 3 (32:56):
Yeah, he was back for kicks. I didn't notice him.
I missed that me too, So coverage to me, it's
one thing we talked about the run defense. We all
have that on our lists. It's one thing that that coverage.
I mean, that run defense is a problem. I think
the coverage in this game against Mason Rudolph, I think

(33:19):
he low key picked him apart. I think the only
time that they didn't complete passes was when they got
some pressure on him, which, by the way, maybe we
should have added that. I thought they had some pressure
at times today.

Speaker 4 (33:30):
It was schemed pressure prere a little bit.

Speaker 3 (33:33):
More than what they've had probably in six weeks, not
about wise. And when they had pressure, Rudolph looked like
the backup that he is. But when he didn't, he
kind of picked him apart. And it was Jonathan Jones,
it was Marcus Jones, and it was Gonzales. You know,
when they were in man, the other guys were open.

(33:55):
Kind of a little fortunate Ridley dropped one of them.
Would have been another like fifteen eighteen yard in cut
right in his hands, had one down the sideline that
he probably should have caught. Two that he got hit
by Hawkins after he dropped it. But I mean even
as it was, you know, five for seventy three, that's
a healthy day. I went for Calvin Ridley.

Speaker 2 (34:16):
It just seemed to control the whole game to me,
like there just wasn't a lot. And I mean, I
don't I'm not going to disagree with you. I just
I didn't clock the pressure in this game as Oh no, no, no,
I'm saying that the in the coverage on the bad list. Yeah,
I mean, I'm like Ridley's long twenty five, a Conquos
twenty one, Venette's twenty four, Like this is Mason Rudolph, Right,

(34:38):
this is Mason Rudolph. That's You're not supposed to be
giving up chunk plays. So the plays, I just the
whole game, it seemed like Tennessee was, like you said,
like the few times that New England made a good.

Speaker 3 (34:47):
That's the only time that they had coverage. Is what
I'm saying. I'm not saying the pressure needed to be trumpeted.
I'm saying the only time that they covered is when
they got.

Speaker 2 (34:56):
Pressure got you. Yeah, yeah, no, that's that's that's how
I see it too. That's just surprising and it's disappointing.

Speaker 3 (35:02):
Third and ten on that play, too, Like, I just
don't think their defense is very good.

Speaker 2 (35:08):
No, they can't dictate, you know, that's just they don't
They don't see offenses being put in a bind by
what they're doing, or were they offense just as kind
of do what they do.

Speaker 4 (35:19):
They finally, yeah, yeah, no, I'm watching I'm watching it.
It's just it's too often in my opinion, you know.

Speaker 3 (35:24):
And he's say that was another big play. I want
to say that that was like a second and fourteen
and they just get a nice little st I'm out
by the running back yep, you know, and you get
like twelve and you set up a nice manageable third down.
They throw a quick past to Tyler Boyd and you know,
you move in the chains.

Speaker 4 (35:39):
Like that play. Where's Gibson on the Patriots offense? He
can run the same play. He's not Tony Pollard. I'm
not trying to say that, but gee should think that'd
be open. But the pressure is such I don't know
when you ever get a chance to get it off.

Speaker 10 (35:52):
You know.

Speaker 2 (35:52):
Gibbson is another good one, Matt. I mean, where's he been?
Carle negative one yard? You know, I just not that
I think he's the savior.

Speaker 3 (36:04):
I don't know this, you know, you know sometimes I
just sort of like think things and I have nothing
to back it up. I'm interested the games that Stevenson missed.
He took a pounding. Yeah, he ain't been the same since.
I wonder if he got something knocked out of him
that game. And I'm not talking about like a concussion.
I'm saying his will to play.

Speaker 6 (36:23):
No, he got knocked out on me, this coach, it's
on the floor over there.

Speaker 4 (36:30):
I've missed it.

Speaker 6 (36:31):
I can't.

Speaker 8 (36:32):
I don't.

Speaker 7 (36:32):
I don't know how to.

Speaker 3 (36:32):
I don't really know how to articulate it. Maybe Mack
and fill in the blanks like he did early when
I was talking about Kendrick warn. I just feel like
he hasn't been the same. I thought the first like
month he gave him something. Absolutely, he gave him something.
And I think since he got that full load and
really got killed, I don't think he's been the same guy.

Speaker 4 (36:51):
Different player. Can we talk about the penalties for a minute,
Oh last look, and you guys on those last look
that I had, I had nine for sixty eight accepted
in a penalty filled game, Alex Kemp really threw a
lot of flags.

Speaker 6 (37:07):
We got New England is eight for fifty eight and
Tennessee is ten for sixty seven. So a cool eighteen
penalties here today.

Speaker 4 (37:14):
Yeah, Now, how many of them will pre snapped? And
you know some of the holds. I'm not sitting here
advocating for holding or anything like that, but if it
helps protect your franchise quarterback and you need to, you know, Brown,
just hold them.

Speaker 6 (37:27):
Don't let him kill him, Ben.

Speaker 4 (37:29):
Those are you know, those are tough penalties.

Speaker 6 (37:32):
Goodness, we got some hail there in Arizona.

Speaker 3 (37:34):
What did you see that we have like a protect
me a little red zone Chicago at Arizona. Look like
that's on weather now in Arizona. I don't know. It
was a weird looks.

Speaker 4 (37:45):
Did we go through the bed? Did we go through
the bad list? Kit Cat?

Speaker 3 (37:48):
Can't we close the roof? I know, right? What are
we doing?

Speaker 4 (37:52):
Big?

Speaker 3 (37:53):
Being told they're closing the room?

Speaker 6 (37:54):
Looks fine now being told, let's for the wind direction.

Speaker 3 (37:57):
But watch this, Watch this one, Watch this one. In replay,
ready face mask drills them with his helmet into the ground.
No call in the game that there was nineteen accepted penalties.

Speaker 4 (38:07):
That wasn't one of them.

Speaker 5 (38:08):
Escaped.

Speaker 4 (38:09):
And here's like, I don't think they keep stats on this,
but I mean, you were aware of a guy that's
ever been called for not one, but two horse collar
tackles in nine games.

Speaker 2 (38:19):
I have to say today it seemed a little that
one was a little ticket. Okay, it was a weird
one because it seemed like he had it for a second.
He let go and then he definitely grabbed him by
the name plate. But I'm not supposed to do question,
and that's what he got the call.

Speaker 3 (38:31):
I thought he sort of let him go and the
guy fell forward, which I thought was supposed to be
the combination of.

Speaker 4 (38:39):
The pull back.

Speaker 3 (38:41):
He grabs clearly grabs him in the back, which you're
not supposed to do, but now we kind of let
let's go and pushes him full.

Speaker 6 (38:48):
This is the angle right here where you can see.

Speaker 3 (38:50):
And I know, I know why that that got the
call right there, and I guess he did sort of
pull him back there. I saw his legs go out.
But I thought that was ticky tack fair enough. I
thought there were a lot of other calls he deserved
that one that really had no option but to call,
Like there were takedowns on holds. There was a takedown
on uh It was the same play on that touchdown
drive the Patriots had to start the second half. It

(39:12):
was one of the ninety seven times Drake May ran
for his life for a first down. There was just
a blatant takedown in the middle of the line and
the Titans got called for a very ticky tack holding
on the outside that ended up ultimately not mattering, but
it was a It was like some hand fighting between
the defense back and booty all at the line of scrimmage,

(39:33):
like it was within five yards and they called him
for holding on the shirt like right there, you see,
like Simmons is going down all right.

Speaker 4 (39:42):
We started the show talking about how impressed we were
Drake May, that it wasn't a perfect performance, but that
he's got it. Does the coaching staff need to do
a little bit better job of saying, Drake, get down, Drake,
don't lower your shoulder.

Speaker 6 (39:56):
A couple that's scared.

Speaker 4 (39:57):
No, specifically, I remember watching you know a little bit
with you when you were going nope, nope, what are
we doing here? What are we doing?

Speaker 11 (40:03):
He?

Speaker 3 (40:04):
Did you listen to the halftime at all when they
went to the studio, No, it did so. Jimmy Johnson
talked about the game a little bit and he said,
you talked about Drake May and he said, you can
certainly see this kid's got a lot of skill. And
you know, they show the two runs and he's like,
the Patriots need to do a better job of having
this guy protect himself. You cannot run around like this

(40:26):
and in this league and live to tell about it.
You need to protect yourself. He needs to get down.
And then they showed this run where he slides and
they said first run. Then they maybe went over to
the sideline and.

Speaker 4 (40:35):
Said, Drake, get down. We just went through this a
whole week.

Speaker 3 (40:38):
Get down. And then he did. But there were other
times after this that he didn't right, and like he
needs to get down because you can't take these shots.
He took it. He took a couple of hits today
that I was like, whoa, yep, me too, right.

Speaker 4 (40:51):
And that's a really tough spot to be in because
like look at him here like this one, like.

Speaker 3 (40:56):
Like once the guy gets his hands on you right there,
just go down. You signed to like fight through it
the other day, you know, not fighting through tackles. I
was in illegal hands to the face right there on
arden Key.

Speaker 4 (41:06):
Why because he got called darn Low's helmet. He got
called for that, punched in the face, right, it's I
mean said.

Speaker 3 (41:14):
That, but that's kind of like my point, like I'd
love to sit here and beat up on the refs
for being over officious. But there were plays like that,
like how do you not call that? This was one
that's your tiki tack? Well, it's inside five yards. You're
supposed to let them get away with a little something.
And then, you know, I thought that was a little
ticky tack. But it also didn't matter because May ran
for a first down in that play anyway.

Speaker 4 (41:32):
Right, all right, so we wiped the board clean with
bad or does anybody have any leftovers? Yeah?

Speaker 6 (41:38):
I think, oh, I mean Marco Wilson.

Speaker 3 (41:40):
Just a bad sequence on the first maybe this maybe
the first or second drive of the game for the
Patriots where they looked like they had a little something going.
Drake takes a sack, pushes him back, they get some
of it back, and they ended up missing the field goal.
Can't take a sack there, you're in field goal range.
You have points. You gotta protect the points. That bad
sequence all around and then Joey slide misses the long

(42:01):
field goal. But you know, not a just not a
great day, not a great not not crisp at all.

Speaker 4 (42:08):
What, if anything, have we learned from an injury standpoint,
what happened as far as the game where we saw
somebody who was going out missing significant time and could
miss significant time going forward.

Speaker 3 (42:18):
Did you guys see anybody?

Speaker 2 (42:19):
I mean, Mapu went out with the neck, he came back,
and Henry went out, he came back, and then Wise
was the last one.

Speaker 3 (42:27):
Also came I think Roy was the last one, but
they all came back.

Speaker 6 (42:31):
Yeah, So so the bullet dodged.

Speaker 4 (42:34):
I guess on a team that's thin and doesn't have
a lot of depth, I guess if you can come
out of it an overtime game, so extra football.

Speaker 3 (42:42):
And it doesn't look like defensively they were on the
field the whole game. I mean like it's just looking
AT's thirty eight forty four to twenty nine oh nine,
Like that's that's a pretty lopside.

Speaker 6 (42:53):
Glad to see Hunter. Henry's okay, though, I mean again,
that's that's just a It looked.

Speaker 3 (42:56):
Like it was just like because you gotta hit right
in the thigh, Like I was thinking, Charlie Horse, you
know one of those deals, Paul, did you think that
they were gassed in overtime? I thought they would gasped
for the whole game. The first first drive of the game,
they looked like they were on the no so, like Mike,
that was Mike's first bad and I totally agree with it. Yeah,
they just looked like they had no answers defensively.

Speaker 6 (43:15):
That's a frustrating thing.

Speaker 2 (43:15):
I feel like I wonder if the message this week
is gonna be like, guys, we got this kid, Drake's
given everything he's got back there, and like we need
to help him like everybody. I just I hope they
can make that a rallying point this week, because I
do think you're gonna forget some of the bad stuff
this week, and you're gonna try to remember that he
took us down the field with time running out and
got us a game time to a touchdown to put

(43:37):
us in overtime. And you know, if you if you
are able to sweep the rest of it under the rug,
take that piece of it and start to build some
confidence around this kid and give him the support that
he needs needs a run game. You know, he needs
some more defensive stops that come in a timely fashion.
He needs some takeaways, like they got one today. It
was their first one in three games, Like, you know,

(43:58):
like they have to be better for Drake, and you
know they have eight more games to do it, which
used to be half a season. So I mean, there
is time, but it's time is now, Like this season
is rapidly coming to an end here, and you know
they can't sit around and continue to be up and
down with the same problems. And this week the protection's okay,
and this week it's absolutely terrible, And like you just.

Speaker 6 (44:18):
Want to see some kind of through line with this
team and some kind of improvement, something to build off.

Speaker 4 (44:22):
Okay, So then I'm going to follow it up with
after beating the Jets last week, did the team not
the player? Because I think this is a tough balance
to strike here. You want to weren't the player, but
you also got fifty two other guys that you got
to worry about. Okay, did they take a step back
this week?

Speaker 5 (44:38):
Mike?

Speaker 7 (44:39):
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (44:39):
I don't know if I would say step back. I
just I think they're already pretty step back, you know, like.

Speaker 4 (44:47):
Last week.

Speaker 6 (44:48):
And that's what's more troubling.

Speaker 4 (44:49):
It's just, you know, you wasn't their defense a little
a little a little bit better last week?

Speaker 3 (44:55):
Or is that more after the Jet And I'm not
trying to be like argument in them for the sake
because I can do that, as you know, Yes, I
really don't think so. I think the Jets scored more
points than the Titans did last week. I think the Jets,
you know, had some opportunities that they failed on last
week and.

Speaker 6 (45:11):
The Titans deflection takeaway this week.

Speaker 3 (45:13):
Yeah, the Titans cost themselves some points and I just
think it was very similar. It is and now you
can make an argument that Tennessee is not as good
as the Jets, but the records would tell you otherwise.
They look kind of the same team. And they played
each other and it was a one score game.

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(50:26):
on the Patriots Postgame Show. Helloy, right, how are you?

Speaker 15 (50:30):
Hey?

Speaker 8 (50:31):
Well, you know, I'm not so great.

Speaker 16 (50:33):
We lost, but I gotta say this.

Speaker 17 (50:35):
I wanted to shout out, we're a little grace for
the offensive line.

Speaker 16 (50:39):
Hear me out.

Speaker 17 (50:40):
Coming into the game, we were already in the shambles
and Tennessee is raised as the number one defense. So
with those parameters, I think the guys did their best
to hold their hold their own and give Drake a
chance to sort of just just give us a chance.
And again we are an extra last place team. So
I'm not excusing anything. I am saying, though, you know,

(51:02):
I give the guys a little grace.

Speaker 18 (51:03):
Man.

Speaker 17 (51:03):
We are who we are, as Dennis Green used to say,
you know.

Speaker 8 (51:06):
They are who they were. But uh, Drake Man thinks
played played so good.

Speaker 17 (51:12):
That I'm having crazy thoughts. I'm thinking I don't even
want him to play anymore behind the Swiss Cheese offensive line.
I wanted to get Jakobe Bracken there, get Joe Belton
a little bit of experience to say, Drake, but next year,
because if we can get a stud wide receiver in
one offensive lineman, I think we can compete for this division.

(51:32):
What do you guys think?

Speaker 8 (51:34):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (51:34):
Interesting, call Christian and thank you for He contradicts himself
a little bit by saying might not be so hard
on the offensive line. Why by then give him out
of the game and dolan him play for the rest
of the year. That is a contradiction. They need more
than one offensive lineman. A stud offensive lineman.

Speaker 3 (51:48):
Would be a very wide wide receiver too.

Speaker 4 (51:50):
Correct. They need more than a lot you know, I mean,
I think a pass rusher.

Speaker 6 (51:55):
Yeah, they need a left hack.

Speaker 4 (51:56):
It will be a very very busy offseason for Elliot
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Speaker 8 (52:06):
Hello, hey, man, how are we doing today?

Speaker 4 (52:09):
I'm doing it right?

Speaker 3 (52:10):
How are you not good?

Speaker 8 (52:12):
We lost today?

Speaker 4 (52:15):
Yes?

Speaker 8 (52:15):
Sorry, it's great. How we be losing though? Like, come on,
we went over time what we did and we're still losing?

Speaker 5 (52:24):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (52:25):
Hello, yeah, quiet, I can't even hear you all man.

Speaker 4 (52:30):
No, we're listening. We're winning for you to make your point.
And it's it's pretty obvious there, Nelson. Pretty obviously is.

Speaker 8 (52:36):
Why the quarterback then throw it to number thirty nine
at the last end of that first quarter?

Speaker 5 (52:43):
Why?

Speaker 7 (52:44):
Why will you go along?

Speaker 8 (52:45):
Was that his intentions or was that off as the
lion tending and throw it deep?

Speaker 4 (52:51):
I don't know. I'm not sure about that and I'm
not sure the play call. Nelson new We thank you
for the phone call. DeShawn in Virginia. You're next on
the Patriots Postgame Show. Hi, DeShawn, Oh, like, how do
you how do you guys?

Speaker 16 (53:02):
Knowing once again, how are you.

Speaker 18 (53:06):
Good? Good?

Speaker 16 (53:08):
I wanted to I wanted the Patriots. I'm thinking about,
you know, actually getting rid of to the guy I
should go ahead and re evaluate actually trying to keep
those guys because it can't be much worse than what
it actually is right now. I mean, it's best to
go ahead so I gets a decent compensation for those
guys while you still can't. And then all on the
fust time I look at drink may I think he's
gonna be special because the comparison look at when it

(53:31):
comes to Drake Maye is like, is a mixture between
Justin Herbert and remember when it came in he started
quite a bit in forst couple of years. But then
when the Bills actually got him help and a number
one receiver and you know, both starts in the balls
to change.

Speaker 3 (53:48):
Yeah, he was a playoff guy before that. But yeah,
I like the cop between Justin Herbert. I think there's
a lot of similarities to the to the game. I
think there's a lot of Justin Herbert in may Me too.
Smooth athlete, effortless throwing motion. He was really accurate today too.
I think part of the booty on the in the
at the at the end.

Speaker 2 (54:09):
I think part of the curse for Josh Allen is
like he knows he's bigger and stronger than a lot
of people.

Speaker 6 (54:14):
Like I don't think May has that like in his brain.

Speaker 2 (54:15):
He's not gonna like, you know, people over Joh just
tempted because he knows he can run over a lot
of these guys. I don't really see that from Herbert
in Uh and May. But I love having, you know,
an athlete with the ability to get out of the
pocket and make plays. I mean, you said it, Paul,
It's like, what was this last year?

Speaker 5 (54:31):
You know?

Speaker 6 (54:31):
Without that ability to gable, that's.

Speaker 3 (54:33):
Zac game unfold is all the same place. I mean,
it's impossible, but I'm just no, I see that it
unfolds the same exact way with Mac Jones. They'd been
hard pressed to get a first down because he literally
willed that team to I mean they didn't get any offense.
I mean they had less than three hundred yards. Again, like,
we didn't even get three hundred yards, let alone four

(54:55):
like good offenses do.

Speaker 4 (54:56):
Emails are piling in trade rumors from Ellen, Wisconsin. I
think we need a top wide receiver, no kidding, and
we should be looking in the trade market to see
if there's someone we could trade then sign long term.
That way, we don't have to line on the scouts
to draft one. You let me know who's available via
trade and sign me up for it, because I'd be looking.
But I don't know about that. Uh. Randy writes in

(55:17):
the first half.

Speaker 3 (55:18):
In fairness, four wide receivers recently were traded.

Speaker 4 (55:21):
Yeah, no, I know right now.

Speaker 3 (55:23):
I'm not telling you that I would have been interested in,
you know, acquiring Amari Cooper or uh, you know, DeAndre
Hopkins or any of that. But I'm just saying Johnson,
four guys were recently traded.

Speaker 4 (55:34):
Randy writes in the first half, clock management was again horrendous,
And I might not say horrendous, but it's certainly a problem.
It's way too many times.

Speaker 3 (55:42):
I think the execution was the problem this time, but
I totally get it.

Speaker 4 (55:45):
He's right, right, Why give up the ball in overtime?
What did you mean by that they lost the toss? Yeah,
so I mean that sort of refute your point there, Randy.
Uh Stephan in Germany, writing this old line is embarrassing.
They can't run block, letning defenders wrap up the running
backs in the backfield practically every play. They can't pass
block either. He wants to fire the entire offensive line.

(56:08):
I don't know that you can do that nine weeks
into the season, Stephan, but understand your anger. Yeah, there's
been a source of frustration. I think for Patriots fans
the worst. This is not a Alex van Pelt fan.
If it weren't for May's running ability, the game will
look even worse. Yeah, and if it was his decision

(56:28):
to throw it that far and second down with that
much time and left, meaning van Pelt, my point is
proven not an Alex van Pelt fan. That's Chad in Atlanta.

Speaker 3 (56:36):
Talking about the overtime play, and you blame in van Pelt.

Speaker 4 (56:39):
That's crazy.

Speaker 3 (56:42):
This is what I mean. That guy can't do any
right right. Alex van Pelt is in a no win situation.

Speaker 4 (56:47):
It is a classic losing team fan reaction. They're looking
at all the coordinators. The coordinators can do no right,
especially a new guy like this. He can't win unless
he's thrown for three hundred yards and they're scoring thirty
five points every single.

Speaker 3 (57:02):
Drake May has played the three in the last three weeks.
Forget Drake May. The last three weeks they've hit a
deep ball to Booty twice, right, yeah, no, all three.
They had one in Jacksonville too. In London they dialed
up a deep shot to Booty in overtime. I don't
have any problems with that play call, but it wasn't there, correct,

(57:25):
Alex van Pelt can't go on the field and say
beat the corner. Hey, right, Drake, don't drow it. It's
not there. They have it covered, right, don't throw it, right? Yeah,
let's be wrong with the play call on first and
ten in overtime. You can't throw into double coverage and
he did it happens. I'm not going to kill the kid.
He single handily kept him in the game. I mean

(57:47):
he's responsible for two hundred and ninety whatever yards three
hundred yards of offense. They only had two ninety five
and he was responsible for over three hundred.

Speaker 4 (57:58):
Do you think about it. Dean in the UK wants
us to pump the brakes a little bit on Drake May.
He's trying to do too much in the end. Maybe
he doesn't trust his offensive line and who can blame him. However,
he needs to just play each down and not try
to force the football. I think that's a little bit
of a picnic there, and I don't think that that
was the problem with Drake made today.

Speaker 2 (58:18):
No, And this is just all part of a rookie
you know, learning, and I mean he's he's got a
lot of energy. You know, he's got a lot of
belief in himself and his talent. I mean he should,
he came from college, he was the third overall pick.
But you know, learning process of of you know, not
only getting to know yourself and what your limitations are
within the pro game, but your teammates learning what kind
of player you're going to be. And that that goes

(58:39):
back to my earlier point of this team should believe
in him more now, a little bit more today than
they might have. And he's gonna come and say I
got to clean up the turnovers and that's going to
be a theme of the week.

Speaker 6 (58:48):
And that's definitely true. But I like the way the
arrow is headed.

Speaker 2 (58:52):
It's just I want to see more and I continue
to make the same point that I've made the last
couple of weeks. It needs to be more than just
Drake May coming out of the season. We can't just
come out of the season and feel like he's pretty good.
Everything else is a disaster.

Speaker 4 (59:02):
Which seemed like it would be a waste of a year, wouldn't.
It also needs.

Speaker 3 (59:07):
To be more than Drake May running around. Yeah, for sure,
wildly And I'm not talent Listen, it's great two years
from now. I hope to have that in the bag.
But everything else is there, you know, And they're not
relying on him running the ball eight times and none
of those were design runs?

Speaker 4 (59:23):
Right, eleven point eight seconds did he have on the
fourth down that get the eleven? Like the only person
that had more time to throw ran around more. Last week,
let's see Alexandre from Brazil hates the decision Paul not
going for to made no sense because the d was

(59:45):
gassed and had no business stopping the run at all.
Game put the ball in the kids hands, maybe an
option read this is a bad game between two teams
that are not contending anymore, Why extend it? And it
shows inconsistency by Mail going for too early in London
is clearly an analytics decision. Now he simply ignores the
analytics and just plays it safe.

Speaker 3 (01:00:04):
That's not an analytics I agree with you, but that's
the difference. There's no little column in the data spreadsheet
at that point that's I'm going to try to win
the game or not. It's all momentum, right, that's not
an analytical decision, right, And I would just push back.
I think the Patriots defense was on its heels and
looked gassed all game. I don't think that, like based

(01:00:24):
on what had just happened. The Patriots had the ball,
got a couple of first then they punted, they got
a three and out, they were only one of the game.
Then the Patriots had the ball again, probably like a
half hour of actual time went by, and the Patriots
defense was on the field for three plays. So there's
no reason to say I can't go to overtime here

(01:00:45):
because my defense is gassed. My defense has been ineffective
all day. That's why I would have gone for two.
But I'm not necessarily saying like, yeah, they were on
the heels and they looked gassed, but not necessarily because
of condition that.

Speaker 4 (01:00:58):
The other team.

Speaker 3 (01:00:59):
Yeah, like sixty sixty as that overtime, as that drive unfolded, well,
it was a significant time of possession advantage. I mean
it was thirty nine to twenty thirty eight, forty four
to twenty nine oh nine. That's a significant edge. Sure,
but you know a lot of that is an overtime. Yeah,
Like the Titans had the ball for is it seven minutes?

Speaker 4 (01:01:22):
Is it a ten minute?

Speaker 3 (01:01:22):
Oh t I think seven to twenty eight of the overtime.

Speaker 4 (01:01:26):
Yeah, that's when they were gassed.

Speaker 2 (01:01:27):
I look back there, it was like, there's three minutes
left it over time.

Speaker 6 (01:01:29):
I mean, like even if the Patriots are able to
mount something, I mean, credit to Tennessee for eating up
that whole.

Speaker 3 (01:01:34):
I mean I was thinking, I was thinking there's more
than likely it was going to end in a tie.

Speaker 4 (01:01:38):
To be honest with you, Jeffrey writes in again, let
Simmons another no, another pump the brakes. Let's be honest.
May Show's promise and nothing more. Right now, the Patriots
are I agree. The Patriots are only three games he
started and finished, the highest point total being twenty one.
He gives, he takes away. He's working with next to nothing,

(01:01:59):
thank you, captain obvious, no running game, no o line,
and very mediocre wide receivers. Also, you even got mad
up we're very loose what and I think that's loose
pants and they I'm excited but still skeptical. I expect
some calls from the North Carolina detractors this week.

Speaker 6 (01:02:16):
So do they.

Speaker 4 (01:02:17):
Do you get calls from North Carolina? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:02:19):
I think the as I predicted, and I generally have
a good feel for the for the fan. We had
a ton of people, especially from North Carolina in the
pre draft run up, telling us, do not draft Drake
may He ain't it. He ain't that right, Mike, That's
that's accurate.

Speaker 4 (01:02:40):
As I predicted chapel Hill after.

Speaker 3 (01:02:43):
The Patriots take him with the third pick. I predicted
this before the draft. We shan't be hearing from those
people anymore, and we haven't got it because he's now
on the Patriots. Just like I would say the emailer, Yeah,
like he's showing promise. No one's saying like like what's
his jacket size for Canton? Right, Like he's showing he

(01:03:04):
he's not going to be the reason you don't get
where you want to go.

Speaker 4 (01:03:07):
Would be what I would say, Paul, I thought you
hit it right in the head when you came out
of the shoot. He's got something, He's got it and
that you can tell they want to build around it.
Now there's a lot of pressure to build around it
because you got to get that right. But so far,
it looks like you might. You might have the guy
at quarterback Jared and La writes in the offense doesn't

(01:03:27):
have talent. I'm weirdly not too concerned about it, especially
because of Drake. But dear god, this defense is starting
to get starting to get infuriating. Infinitely more talent than
our offense and can't stop all caps.

Speaker 3 (01:03:39):
They do not have more talent than the defense. I
just think people are not looking at what's happening on
the field. When you take Dougger, Pepper's, bar More and
Bentley out, which is what you have right now, right,
they are not more talented than offense. It's just not
I'm sorry. I'm not trying to give the defense a pass.
I don't think the defense was good even with all
those guys, correct, But you're taking away their best four players.

Speaker 4 (01:04:04):
Mike, here's one at your out of five. Will put
Gonzo l in Wisconsin. How's that draft and develop a
wide receiver. Take going. This game is a prime example
of why we want guys on other teams because our
front office will pick the wrong guy every time, says
Mike from Wisconsin.

Speaker 6 (01:04:21):
Now, I mean, he's just got to keep drafting. You
just have to keep doing it. You're not going to
buy your whole team.

Speaker 2 (01:04:24):
So I mean, look, until they start drafting and developing,
they're gonna stay right where they are right their.

Speaker 6 (01:04:30):
Draft class right now. Other than Drake may it does
not look good at all.

Speaker 4 (01:04:35):
Question.

Speaker 3 (01:04:35):
Yeah, and I know that that was a reference to
what you know Mike said in the pre game, And
I don't kill Mike for that, even though I disagree
with him. Yeah, but that's that's good. That's fun, all right,
that's fun.

Speaker 6 (01:04:48):
Right, that's what I want, t Higgins.

Speaker 4 (01:04:49):
He'll help us.

Speaker 3 (01:04:50):
See, that's how it works.

Speaker 4 (01:04:51):
I'm over that. I'm over that.

Speaker 3 (01:04:53):
So I would just say, I would just say that
the whole draft and developed thing is fine. Mike Evans
is a great example. The number one receiver for the
Dolphins is a guy they acquired. The number one receiver
for the Eagles is a guy they acquired. You know,
there's a lot of number one receivers around the league
that aren't draft and developed. They're acquired. And I think

(01:05:16):
the Patriots fans, I would put myself in this category,
are a little frustrated with the inability to draft and
develop somebody. So why not try to do it the
other way?

Speaker 4 (01:05:24):
Go big, big game hunting.

Speaker 3 (01:05:26):
And I think they did, like to their credit, they
were in on Ayuk, right, and I think you know,
you can argue, he's not Jefferson, he's not those guys.
I mean, certainly ridly not those guys. But they were
in on them. At least get one of those guys
and draft and develop one, and then maybe you have
a wide receiver corp.

Speaker 4 (01:05:45):
Now you're talking. Now, you're talking, all right, Matt Let's
Patriots lose twenty to seventeen in overtime to the Tennessee Titans.
Let's go to Tennessee and Nissan Stadium, the bowels, and
let's listen to Gerard Mayo after the game.

Speaker 5 (01:05:57):
Please the out come of the game.

Speaker 19 (01:06:05):
We had our chances. We always talk about it. It's
not just one play. It's not the interception, it's not
going for two. There are multiple players that happen, are
multiple plays that happened within a game that can change
the tide of it. You know, at the time, I
felt like that was the right thing to do. It's
easy to make a judgment one way or the other,
but I thought that was the right thing to do
at the time. I will say this, I thought the
team went out there and they fought, you know, being

(01:06:27):
on the road in this environment. I will say just
a shout out to the fans that traveled. I felt
like we had a lot of fans that traveled and
you know, just you know, you could hear them, you
could hear them supporting us, and you know, too bad
we let them down. We got to be better. I
have to be better. Coaches have to be better. We
go back to the drawing board. Have to be able

(01:06:48):
to you know, run the football.

Speaker 5 (01:06:50):
You know.

Speaker 19 (01:06:50):
Obviously that was disappointing. I think Drake was probably our
leading rusher today. You never really want your quarterback to
be the leading rusher, and that's that's in all facets.
You know, we got to be able to move guys
off the line.

Speaker 12 (01:07:01):
You know.

Speaker 19 (01:07:01):
I thought, you know, their defensive line did a good job.
I mean, they were they were hard to handle inside,
especially ninety eight, and we knew that coming into the game.
And you know, we just got to be able to
stand every team that we played, They're gonna have either
good edge rushers or good interior rushers. We just got
to do a better job, you know, getting those guys
off the ball, you know, defensively again, you know, leaky

(01:07:24):
run defense. There were times where you know, it goes
back to fundamentals. We spent a lot of time talking
about the extend and O's but I thought the tackling,
uh still needs to improve. That's part of it. And
but we went into the game also saying special teams
was gonna make a play, had to make plays, and
you know we had you know, the big returns by

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by Marcus and you know those guys out there are
blocking for him and too bad we let this one
support run.

Speaker 9 (01:07:49):
I think the you know clubs of the disappointing loss,
but I think the entire NFL is talking about the twelve.

Speaker 12 (01:07:55):
Seconds that Drake had running around and through the game
time touchdown.

Speaker 5 (01:07:59):
Just your thoughts on what you saw from him.

Speaker 19 (01:08:01):
Yeah, just uh mental toughness and the ability to make
plays with his legs which he's which he has uh
shown before and gave us a chance to win the game.
You know, obviously just didn't didn't pull it through.

Speaker 5 (01:08:13):
Dru did his running around and kind of tiredness that
looked like after factor into not going for to there.

Speaker 19 (01:08:19):
Uh, I'm not gonna get in. I don't wanna get
into that. I it's a good question. I just don't
wanna get into it.

Speaker 3 (01:08:23):
Now.

Speaker 5 (01:08:25):
Two weeks ago you saw that there's a production in
the run. Game was sort of a mentality thing.

Speaker 14 (01:08:29):
Do you still feel that.

Speaker 19 (01:08:33):
I've always felt that stopping the run and running the
ball starts with your attitude, starts with your attitude, starts
with your mentality, and we just have to do better
on both sides of the ball.

Speaker 16 (01:08:42):
Trow.

Speaker 5 (01:08:43):
Would you think of the decision by Drake on the.

Speaker 19 (01:08:45):
Game, Loo, Look, he's a guy out there trying to
make a play. He's just trying to make a play.
And I think sometimes, you know, as well as he
has played, sometimes we forget how young he is. And
he's gonna continue to develop and he'll be a good
quarterback in this league. And look, we'll all learn from this,
myself included, Trow.

Speaker 5 (01:09:01):
What did you learn about into that? Just you know it?

Speaker 19 (01:09:04):
Well, I look, we already knew it. But I think
the obvious thing is just his his mental toughness and
ability to really change the page and being a resilient player,
and that's a great quality to have as a quarterback.
And he's a good competitor.

Speaker 5 (01:09:16):
He defense obviously held him, you know if you said
some keyboards obviously.

Speaker 2 (01:09:21):
Regulation, but jus a sense of f after that game
time touchdown, having them come right down the field.

Speaker 5 (01:09:27):
How tough was that to to watch there?

Speaker 19 (01:09:30):
It was very tough. You know though, we'll watch the
film and and see what happened, but it was tough.
Those long drives have have heard us at times this
year mags some.

Speaker 5 (01:09:39):
Two dog What did you see the Dolphins Blaine Field
real lately throng into the groups people.

Speaker 19 (01:09:45):
Well, uh, Mike ended up kicking in the guard. We
felt like, look, we we need to match up with
one of their best players. Again, when you watch the film,
you're gonna see the interior of the pocket at times
was soft and we thought, you know, putting our best
player and there was the best thing to do for
the team.

Speaker 5 (01:10:02):
Magos are the two interceptions as the fumble?

Speaker 19 (01:10:04):
Sorry I couldn't he the Maga's has two interceptions at
the fumble.

Speaker 4 (01:10:07):
What is the balance there between staying at young quarterback
get his bee hunder room versus wind.

Speaker 3 (01:10:12):
Now.

Speaker 19 (01:10:13):
Look, we never wanna go out there and and turn
the ball over. I mean we came into the game
saying we need to get turnovers and not turn the
ball over. That's the recipe for us to win football games,
and we just didn't do that today. He'll he'll learn
from his mistakes. Look, hell, that's one thing you wanna
go back to a characteristic. He learned from his mistakes,
and he'll be better for it.

Speaker 5 (01:10:29):
You feel like you seen some progress in der certain
fastest of the game.

Speaker 9 (01:10:32):
Complimentary football, the interception by to By, you come down
and get points, you know, things like that were kind
of try to that.

Speaker 5 (01:10:39):
You might mentioned Marcus Chillings with a part return and
then the drive.

Speaker 19 (01:10:42):
Yeah, I think so.

Speaker 16 (01:10:43):
You know.

Speaker 19 (01:10:44):
At the same time, we never wanna lose games. I
feel like crap right now. So, uh, it's hard to
really pull out positive out it this one for me
at least.

Speaker 5 (01:10:52):
How you feel like the way uh Drake protects himself
obviously has the lead last week's game took a few
hard shots.

Speaker 4 (01:10:57):
Yeah, I did.

Speaker 5 (01:10:59):
What'd you think, uh of how he handled himself in
the overfield?

Speaker 19 (01:11:01):
I thought he did well. I thought he did well
you know. I'm sure we'll watch the film and say
things and second guests, you know, whether the slide or
not the slide, but he's healthier, and I think that's
the most important thing.

Speaker 5 (01:11:11):
What would you like to see a horseball team do
now going forward here? You know, after what happened in London,
where they've come, and where you'd like to see them
go from here.

Speaker 19 (01:11:18):
I want these guys just to, as we always say,
change the page on Wednesday and get ready for a
big game coming up, because it's next game.

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Speaker 3 (01:11:58):
I didn't really think there was much there. I did
think it was interesting his answer about the two point
conversion going for two at the end. You know, it's
a good question. I want to get into it now.
And I'm not really sure exactly what his thought process
is and what his mentality is, But I did that.
Whoever asked the question, I couldn't tell. Mike. Someone asked

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him if sort of the the way the play unfolded
to tie the game obviously was exhausting. Did that have
anything to do with why you didn't go for two?
They didn't have a time out? Interesting, so they didn't
have a lot of time. You know, it's a good point.

Speaker 4 (01:12:37):
That's a really good point.

Speaker 5 (01:12:38):
It was.

Speaker 3 (01:12:39):
It's a good the question that was asked. I didn't
give that any thought at all. That's a good that
is a very good point. You know, Drake ran around.
That's an exhausting play. Yeah, and now you're celebrating and
you're excited and maybe you're just not physically ready to
play well you need to, And I'm not that that's
not a shot at anybody like that was a unique

(01:13:00):
play and I wonder if that. But but I thought
Jerrod's answer there, he was like, it's a good question.
I'm just not going to get into it right now.

Speaker 4 (01:13:09):
So with that in mind, Paul and Mike, do you
think that, you know, whether it was pretty or not pretty,
they somehow have a chance to get the game into overtime.
Maybe they are a little scattered and everything like that,
because everybody's all over the place. Let's kick the ball, regroup,
catch our breath. Can't we get a stop in overtime
and then we'll take our chances. Maybe he felt like

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they just to get them into overtime. And if you know,
if there's things a little helter skelter, maybe that would
have played into Tennessee's hands at the time, because you
think Tennessee would be a little deflated. You've got momentum
on your side, but maybe you were ready to execute
at that point. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:13:45):
I just love the I just love the conversation because
it's kind of the anti down by whatever it was
like that go for two things we were talking about
a couple of weeks ago, where this one seems more
dependent on momentum and what just happened, and you know,
you can't really quantify it for the nerds. So I
think that's why it's an interesting, you know, kind of discussion.
There isn't really a statistic for how long the previous

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play lasted, and you know how long your blockers were
having to sustain their blocks, and you know how much
energy you expended celebrating.

Speaker 6 (01:14:14):
You know, doesn't still come into this question.

Speaker 3 (01:14:16):
You know, I'm often you know, I'm off and critical
of you know, some of the stuff we you know,
for the post game. That's a really interesting question that
that was posed. And evidently there must have been something
to it because Gerrod's answer so to me, tells me
that that had something to do with it.

Speaker 4 (01:14:33):
Ye, right now, Alex from Greece, you're next on the
Patriots postgame show sponsored by Draft Kings.

Speaker 3 (01:14:38):
Hi Alex, Hey, guys, can you hear me?

Speaker 4 (01:14:41):
Okay, yes, sir, yep?

Speaker 20 (01:14:44):
Yeah, So yeah, I had a couple of questions. You
guys answered a lot of them. Obviously, I'm happy with
how May is playing. I don't know how you can't
be happy about that, but I can't help but feel
that this is another season where we're coming away from
We're coming away from it with more unchecked boxes than checkboxes.
And you know, when these things start piling up season

(01:15:06):
after season, it gets kind of worrying, and you know,
I looked this up after the game to make sure
I wasn't you know, misspeaking or anything. But you know,
there's a couple of guys that have just been on
this team, you know, like Troy Brown has been the
skills position coach for five years, and for five years
I remember calling in in two thousand and you guys

(01:15:26):
had said a lot of the same issues with the
team with regards to wide receivers and you know, drafting
the wrong players. And you know, Elliott Wolf has been
head of the scouting department since two thousand, you know,
nine to twenty nineteen. And is it worth asking ourselves
if we have to look at these specific positions. I'm
not saying fire me or fire Wolf. I want them

(01:15:47):
back next year. I want to see what they can do.
But do you think that we haven't looked deeper enough
into the team, specifically at specific positions, specific coaches that
are just sticking around because of Bill and you know,
the legacy that they have with this team.

Speaker 17 (01:16:02):
And yeah, that's all I got, guess.

Speaker 4 (01:16:04):
Thank you Alex from Grease, thanks for the phone call.

Speaker 3 (01:16:08):
I mean, I understand it's a larger point. He's talking
about the coaches in general, but I just would say
Troy Brown is not the wide receivers coach anymore. No,
And I think he has sort of a rule not
really even a coach.

Speaker 4 (01:16:20):
I don't think he's listed on the coaching staff. He's
not as a special assistant.

Speaker 3 (01:16:24):
Yeah, and I think he is like skilled development or
something like that. But he's not the wide receivers coach.
He's not even the turn coach anymore, is he would say,
So he does do the returns, that's the one in
the area that they're you know, Marcus Jones is excelling.
I wouldn't necessarily give Troy Brown credit for that because
I think Marcus Jones is outstanding.

Speaker 4 (01:16:43):
Pretty good, pretty dynamic.

Speaker 3 (01:16:45):
But I wouldn't know. This wide receiver development thing isn't
on Troy Brown.

Speaker 2 (01:16:49):
No, No, But I think it's it's a worthwhile conversation
of of how has it really been divvied up the
last few years, because we know Elliot's been here, Mac
grow has been here, Bill's been here. I think we
always aired on the side of Bill was in charge.
It was Bill's draft picks, and he gets the blame
or the credit, right, But I'm sure that there's more
nuance to it than that, And I'm sure that there
are certain players on this roster that Elliott Wolf and

(01:17:12):
or Mac Grow really liked or jumped up on him.

Speaker 4 (01:17:14):
He will not like.

Speaker 6 (01:17:14):
Yep, we don't know those players.

Speaker 2 (01:17:16):
We don't know who those guys are, and I think
we'd like to know because a lot of those guys,
I think were brought in when you know, at the time,
we felt like, well, this is the new Guard. They've
lost a lot of people, they've lost the Ernie adams
Is of the world. They've had, you know, Josh McDaniel's
took a lot of the coaches with him to the Raiders,
and at the time you thought guys like Wolf and
Grow were all right, well, this is going to be

(01:17:37):
the new generation, the guys who are going to run
scouting and you know, find these personnel. Maybe they'll bring
a fresh perspective on what kind of players you need
to be successful. And look, I don't think we're being
honest if we don't say that right now, the returns
are are disappointing on the things that you can specifically
credit to this new regime. So they did switch everything
this year, and I know some of the players there

(01:17:57):
was crossover, so that you know, But at the same time,
you know, I don't know how you look at this
draft class right now and say, oh, I feel confident, Like, look,
I'm sorry. Those guys just haven't performed. They've been hurt.
A couple of them have the yips right now. So
you have to be honest with how it's all kind
of played out. A lot of the guys that you
chose to extend. I mean, Jabil Peppers is not on

(01:18:18):
this team right now. Christian Barmer, you gave a big
sense to you.

Speaker 6 (01:18:20):
He's got blood clots.

Speaker 2 (01:18:22):
So some of it's their fault, some of it isn't.
But in any way, you kind of slice it up.
Right now, you look at what they have and everything
the Collers said is correct. You feel good about Dre May.
But if you come out of this season with the
rest of that rookie class looking like they look right now,
it's a it's a big problem. It's a big problem
if you think you're gonna Cam Paul sate him. Many times,
you can turn things around when you have a quarterback,

(01:18:42):
but when you have only a quarterback, it's it's it
can take a long.

Speaker 4 (01:18:46):
Your points are fair, mic, I would just caution to
say that it's nine games in and let's let's try
not to be so reactionary like a lot of the
fans are who looking to fire coordinators, fired people in personnel.
It's nine games, totally fair, and that's why I don't
want to shot in time, right, I.

Speaker 3 (01:19:00):
Don't want anybody fired. But I mean we certainly, you know,
talk about when these guys flash right away, So you
got to call it like it is. I mean, you
have you know, one of your rookie draft pick offensive
lineman is getting taken out of games. Yes, another one's injured.
That's unfortunate, but he wasn't playing very well before he
got hurt. Another one is having a hard time getting

(01:19:21):
on the field period, and what he does he's basically
doing touchbacks on kicks. And another one is you know,
it seems like a having a more and more minished
role by the week. And you know, today gets a
couple of penalties and really nothing else to show up for.
So it's not looking great, right.

Speaker 4 (01:19:39):
Don't get me wrong, it has not looked great. I
would just caution a little bit of patience, that's all. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:19:44):
I would just say that I would be very, very
surprised if it dramatically changed for any of those four guys.
I can't try to do it like they could be
serviceable players, Like I'm not saying that their careers are
going to be over after two years. Like I think
it's certainly within the realm of possibility that Jalen Polk
figures out a way to get over this mental hurdle

(01:20:07):
and be a productive player. But I think it's highly
unlikely that you have a second round GEM based on
what I've seen, that would that would really surprise me. Okay,
just don't think he has that ability.

Speaker 4 (01:20:20):
Love it? This is uh chutters in Manchester, UK. Hey,
no socks in his harem? Why do the Patriots right
on point here, Paul? Why do the Patriots seem so
that's in caps with a lot of oh's bad at
wide receiver? Is it talent evaluation, player execution, coaching or
all of the above? I feel like they are probably
all to blame. But how can this all be fixed?

(01:20:42):
Upgrade scouting, definitely upgrade the players, better coaches and coaching techniques.
No socks. Can you speak to the benefits of having
a Boston Sports Hall of famer working so closely with
their with your duties in the Patriots Hall of Fame.
Thank you, Chutters. I'm gonna cough here for a second.
Pardon me on that listen. He brings up great questions.
It's a perplexing one for the fans because this has

(01:21:05):
been a black hole for a long time, the dearth
of wide receivers to be able to draft and develop.
And I don't know that there's one magic bullet to
try to fix this, or want elixir to try to
fix it. But I don't think not going up to
the plate and taking a swing is one of the reasons.
I think you got to keep swinging, you know. Yeah, Yeah,
I mean I.

Speaker 6 (01:21:23):
Think you should be encouraged.

Speaker 2 (01:21:25):
You know, if you want to go out in free
agency and pay one of those guys like you should
be encouraged. They've been in mix for the two big
ones that have come available, you know, in the offseason
when it made sense.

Speaker 4 (01:21:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:21:35):
And I'd also say that every draft there's a guy
on Day two at least that can play and moves
the needle.

Speaker 3 (01:21:41):
You got to pick one of those. There are guys
that have moved the needle that got picked this year.
Around when your guy got picked, you know, your guy
hasn't moved the needle. And the same thing happened in
the Nikhil Harry draft, the same thing happened in the
Taekwon Dohton draft. You know George Pickens was right in
that area. You know, I'm not telling you that you

(01:22:03):
had to pick. I'm I'm just saying you don't have
to use a top ten pick to get Malik Neighbors
or Marvin Harrison.

Speaker 4 (01:22:09):
Correct down, guys are available. Dylan in North Carolina, you're
next on the Patriots postgame shows presented by DraftKings. Hello, Dylan, Hey,
how are you doing great?

Speaker 3 (01:22:19):
How are you.

Speaker 21 (01:22:21):
Good?

Speaker 15 (01:22:22):
First thing is I think I think we got a
guy in Drake. I mean, he's been outstanding. He barely
practiced this week and yeah, yeah, and he had some mistakes, but.

Speaker 17 (01:22:32):
He's a rookie.

Speaker 18 (01:22:32):
What do you expect?

Speaker 15 (01:22:33):
I mean this same thing that Paul was saying. If
Mac Jones within that game, how do you think that
game would end?

Speaker 18 (01:22:39):
It?

Speaker 17 (01:22:39):
Not?

Speaker 3 (01:22:39):
Well, I think they very well could have been shut out.
And I'm not exactly yeah exactly.

Speaker 15 (01:22:45):
And then the second thing I had to say is
with the whole two point conversion.

Speaker 17 (01:22:51):
You knew what you needed, so.

Speaker 15 (01:22:52):
Why wouldn't you just go for it? I'm just joking,
but good one did y'all got talked on that, and
I'll take it off.

Speaker 4 (01:22:58):
Here, Dylan, thank you very much for the phone call.

Speaker 3 (01:23:02):
Dylan's making a joke, but I think there's some validity
to it. Like this is what they all talk about,
is like known values and you know the variables are elimined.
You know what it takes, right, you know what you need,
so you know what you need. Like again, I'm not
telling you you have to go for two to win
the game every time. I think in a situation like that,

(01:23:24):
whend you just emptied the bucket to try to tie
the game desperately, why not see if you got one
more play in you as opposed to can we string
together ten, twelve more plays to try to win this game?

Speaker 4 (01:23:36):
So, just Devil's advocate Paul, is it possible? As we
may have learned from the questionner in the press conference,
that Gerardmeo knows his team and they weren't ready and
didn't and weren't in a position to do their best
and not get the two point conversion, and therefore after
that balls by men, you go home. What was the
score at that so seventeen sixteen you go home, seventeen
sixteen losers.

Speaker 5 (01:23:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:23:57):
Yeah, there's a certain appeal to it.

Speaker 2 (01:23:59):
I mean I think it kind of it goes into
Dan Campbell territory, like we're just gonna go for it.

Speaker 3 (01:24:04):
I mean I looked at it as like he was.
This was one of those days for him where he
just had the magic, like he was running around and
creating time and making plays and I'll take my chances
that he can get two yards.

Speaker 4 (01:24:17):
I would have.

Speaker 3 (01:24:19):
Again, I'm not killing anyone for not going for it.
That's a tough call. I generally don't criticize teams that
go for the win. I think it's an aggressive mindset.
And when you score late like that, I don't mind
saying I got one play to win a game, as
opposed to relying on a coin flip. I don't. I
don't kill teams for doing it, and I don't kill

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teams for not doing it.

Speaker 11 (01:24:40):
But in this.

Speaker 3 (01:24:41):
Particular case today, I said it to you guys when
they were at the twenty three yard line, do you
go for two?

Speaker 4 (01:24:46):
You did?

Speaker 5 (01:24:47):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:24:48):
And right now, in my view, it's chance to put
the ball in your best player's hands, you know it, Like,
do you really want to leave it up to the
defense that's been sporadic at best? Do you want to
leave it up to you know, a whole drive that
you're going to have to involve some of these other
players that have been sporadic at best, or you know,
taking holding calls, or you know, one play from just
outside the goal line with your best player, you know,

(01:25:08):
the ball is going to be in his hands. I
mean that's the kind of place where you talk about
design run for Drake May. I mean that, you know,
that's one you love to have in the book right there,
because that's a way to use him and put his
skill set to maximum use inside the red zone where
it's really hard to defend the quarterback with with some mobility.

Speaker 3 (01:25:23):
Yeah, and maybe that was the plan, and maybe the
you know eleven point eight, just the state of that play,
you know, scare them off.

Speaker 4 (01:25:31):
Yeah, I mean it is a it's the ultimate second guess,
quite honestly. And so if they go for two and
get stuffed or the play fails, what's the conversation from
the emails and the callers at that point in time,
Are they like Paul who says general, I would you know,
I'd like a team that goes for two to go
for the win? Would that have been the way to go?

Speaker 3 (01:25:50):
And just so you know, like and Matt, Matt will
tell you, because you know Matt and I like, one
of the things that we enjoy the most, and I
don't think I'm exaggerating, is like on Mondays, we come
in and we kind of talk about like the week,
and we have some really like we we see games
exactly the same a lot, and there's other things that
we see completely differently, and one of them is going

(01:26:13):
for two. At the end. You're very critical of one
coach in particular who does it all the time. Uh
so that's a Harbaugh John Harbaugh Bingo.

Speaker 5 (01:26:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:26:21):
Right, he seems very responsible almost and I always say
I don't have a problem with it. He's especially this
was going back a couple of years, the year that
Lamar Jackson was out and he had that stiff Huntley plan.
Who couldn't win a game if he was by himself
on the field except for Patriots, Right, you have an
opportunity to go for two, make one play to steal

(01:26:41):
a game. I love it, Like, yeah, you don't think
you're gonna make eight or ten plays to win because
the other team's better, right, And I don't know if
that was why they didn't go for two today or
they did, I don't know, but I would have liked it.
I would have liked to have seen it.

Speaker 4 (01:26:57):
Tony from Canada, You're next on the Patriots postgame show
presented by Draft Kings.

Speaker 21 (01:27:01):
Hi, Tony, Hi, guys, So about the game today. As
far as I'm concerned overall for the season, I'm not
expecting anything different than last year. That game throw win
loss record will be pretty much the same. What I'm
most interested in is to see May how he's playing.
I think he's playing well above like his experience level

(01:27:24):
and just because of his physical skills. So as long
as May can continue to improve, I'm looking for him
provement next year, not this year. And yeah, I mean
to watch if they have gone for it at the
end of the game when they died the game to
two yard line with May holding the ball, his ability
to run into the enzone, scramble or even hit a

(01:27:46):
short throw that would have been great to see. But
I'm really excited about May. That's all I can say.
I'm hoping that he continues to prove. As long as
he does, I'm happy. So that's all, guys.

Speaker 4 (01:27:56):
Thanks about Tony, Thanks for the phone call. Just yeah,
I mean, you heard Mayo talk about the presence of
Patriot fans in Nashville. You know, you hear somebody like
Tony talk about he just wants to see Drake may
improve and be ready to go next year. I'm curious,
you know what that with the percentages of Patriots who
are who do have patients, who do have the patients

(01:28:18):
to sit through what is not a very the football
isn't very well played when we're watching this team right now,
and do they do they have the patience to see
the long view? Because I think that's what people are asking,
you know, up and down the organization.

Speaker 6 (01:28:32):
I think it's fair to be a little bit over
losing like this or over watching average football.

Speaker 4 (01:28:38):
I mean, you saw more demanded.

Speaker 2 (01:28:39):
Glimpse of it twenty twenty one, but you know, and
you got to say, this is a new regime and
this is another restart. But at the same time, as
a Patriots fan, twenty twenty was kind of the throwaway year.
You felt that, I mean, I felt that way going
through where it was just kind of like, what are
we even doing this year? It doesn't even really feel
you know, we're hitting the reset button. We got you
know who on defense, Like, you know, half the guys
were on the practice squad.

Speaker 6 (01:29:00):
There's no one in the stands, and you know, you
forgive twenty twenty, but look twenty twenty, twenty twenty one.
Then we got the Matt Patricia experience. Then we got
last year.

Speaker 2 (01:29:07):
I mean, you know, it's just it's getting to be
a lot and I you know, if everyone wants to say, well,
Patriots fans, they've had a great they're spoilaball.

Speaker 6 (01:29:13):
You know, Sorry, this is five season. Stead you've been watching,
You've been watching crappy football.

Speaker 3 (01:29:17):
Deal with it. Yeah, Like, you know, we know what
good football is supposed to look like this, ain't it.

Speaker 4 (01:29:22):
I haven't seen it. Haven't seen it all?

Speaker 8 (01:29:23):
Right.

Speaker 4 (01:29:24):
A lot of talk about Drake May and his performance
today and how he can improve, will he improve or
fans is patient enough to watch him improved throughout the year.
Let's hear from Drake May after the loss to the
Titans today where they lose twenty to seventeen in overtime, Drake, Uh,
what was.

Speaker 15 (01:29:43):
What was your day?

Speaker 10 (01:29:44):
Like?

Speaker 5 (01:29:44):
That seem to be like what was the today?

Speaker 9 (01:29:49):
We got probably the guys for fighting. I think that's
the biggest thing disappointing the loss. It made some bad decision,
especially that one at the end there. We got a
chance to go down there and at least tie it up.
We're on our forty and I think it was first down.

Speaker 3 (01:30:01):
So just gotta be better.

Speaker 9 (01:30:03):
I think have some decisions that I made throughout the
game that would have, you know, impacted the outcome, and
take that, you know upon myself. You know, those guys
battle up front, especially those guys up front. The receivers
are bounding. You know, I think, shoot, I was just
got to find a way there in the fourth and
just came up short. So you gotta go back and
learn from it, and especially me, you know, I gotta

(01:30:23):
take these and uh take advantage of these reps that
I'm getting and you know in the game, and I
gotta play.

Speaker 5 (01:30:28):
Betterdowns touchdowns there.

Speaker 9 (01:30:31):
Yeah, they're just on the five. They drop out, the
guys on the five and you know, you got a
chance to get tied up. So they're doing whatever I can.
You know, I think, you know, they zoned it off
and they're doubling the inside guys, and you know, we
had a bunch of concepts and you had back line
and I think Hunter end up getting run out of
bounds and just trying to you know, keep the play alive,
make a play. You know, Andre good for running back

(01:30:52):
out there to kind of play like a receiver and
make a good play. But it ended up coming up sorts,
so you know, not played. It doesn't matter at this point.

Speaker 5 (01:31:00):
Did you feel like you had that much you took?
I think it was Aleves a lot of time you
had running around.

Speaker 3 (01:31:07):
Yeah, I mean they drop out some guys.

Speaker 9 (01:31:10):
The credit the guys up front man those five and
you know up front blocking their butts off for twelve seconds.
You know that's that's impressive. And uh, if you have
to find a way at the end.

Speaker 5 (01:31:19):
There, Drake, just that last through, take.

Speaker 17 (01:31:23):
That big shot.

Speaker 9 (01:31:24):
Yeah, you know, first down and you know see the safety.
I think we're thrown into the wind. I gotta put
some more on it, and uh, just a dumb decision,
you know, something you'd like to have back, and especially
in that situation, you know I can go at least
tie it up Runner, like I said our own forty
and I just you know, sometimes the best players throw
it away and there's just a bad decision on my part.

Speaker 5 (01:31:42):
I think you officially ninety five yards.

Speaker 2 (01:31:45):
Uh, coming off of what you came off last week,
what kind of things were you thinking of as you
were running the football today?

Speaker 9 (01:31:51):
Yeah, I tried to you know, saw I head first
a little bit. You know, sometimes I think that's you know,
just as dangerous diving some people's legs. But uh, you know,
I'm not gonna change the player that I am. You know,
when i'm you know, pass the protocol and cleared them,
I'm gonna be the player. And if they're dropping out
guys and you know, some wrestlings up front and gonna
make them pay, and uh that's my mindset. And maybe
I make some better throws and you may have missed

(01:32:12):
some guys, but uh, same time, I'm play out. I'm
gonna play fair.

Speaker 5 (01:32:15):
To say that you feel your hesitation running?

Speaker 9 (01:32:18):
Yeah, yeah, never. I should have probably broke that first
one and went I went with the safety. They'll make
somebody miss man, So that's on me.

Speaker 10 (01:32:25):
Were you confident this past week that you were going
to be able to clear a protocol on time.

Speaker 9 (01:32:29):
What was that process like for Yeah, you know, it's tough.
You know, you want to be out there and they
want to be out there. Last week, it'll spider up top.
They do it to practice quarterbacks now and you can't
blame them what's going on with you know, some of
the quarterback hits. So maybe the process. You know, well,
that's the last game on the sideline. There's you know
in my pads and you know in my cleats, and
there's some metal on the ground inside the tent and

(01:32:50):
I'm doing the balanced test, so there's some gray area there.
I don't know if you might could have passed that,
but uh, really coming into this week, just you know,
trusting it and you know, took some tests and uh,
you know, feel good.

Speaker 5 (01:33:03):
But you talk about the reps going back to this summer.
Who's worked with you the most. As far as seating the.

Speaker 19 (01:33:07):
Ball, I thought you had a great movement, the pop
in your eyes going up forward, but just your overall
comfort in the pocket.

Speaker 9 (01:33:12):
After you're coming along here, yeah, I think, uh, you know,
seating the ball and looking through that TCS on me,
you know, TC and a VP. You know they're on
me about seating the ball a little quarterback things and
carry out my fakes. You remember a couple of days
I didn't trying to you know, little things like that
go a long way, you know, as you know, playing
quarterback by you're sitting from the defensive end. If I'm
carrying out a fake on a wide zone or play
action stuff, I think you know, I see the field
well down the field and you can only help me

(01:33:34):
with my play action to kind of get you know,
little things and little things going. So, uh, you'll credit
all three and be back to you know, been back
to so all three of those guys have harped on it,
and uh, they do a good job throughout the week
of you know, staying on me comfortable as as you
play one.

Speaker 4 (01:33:49):
Yeah, no, no doubt.

Speaker 9 (01:33:50):
I think you know, sometimes I get a little hoppy
back there in the pocket. But you know, if I've
always kind of felt pressure well and moved well, and
that's not really something that I felt like I did,
you know that well in college, So just trying to
he keep on, you know, doing the same.

Speaker 5 (01:34:05):
Uh touchdown at the end of regulation, is there any
part of it? Do you talk to coach or you
make a case go go for two?

Speaker 6 (01:34:13):
Beers.

Speaker 9 (01:34:13):
Yeah, so I was just trying to catch my breath,
you know, I couldn't even think about it. Yeah, But
I think just looking back on it as easy to say,
you know, we we're out there that long on such
a you know, high intensity drive. I think it's hard
to go for two things. Easy to look back and
say that now. But you know, our defense is fresh
and you know, coming out and in overtime and I'm
trying to get a stopped. And they did a good
job of run the football today.

Speaker 4 (01:34:33):
So well, well, well with the last answer by Drake
May and the press conference, and maybe that's the answer
we were all looking for.

Speaker 6 (01:34:42):
You know, it's very tired.

Speaker 10 (01:34:46):
Talk.

Speaker 4 (01:34:46):
Let's not go Anthony Richardson on him here, No, no, no.

Speaker 3 (01:34:49):
And I think that might be why Gerard said, I
don't want to get into that, because he probably figured
if I say that, that's how it's going to get interpreted,
he's protecting his player.

Speaker 6 (01:35:00):
Smart.

Speaker 3 (01:35:01):
I'm total speculation, but I think that those two answers
combined logically lead me to believe that that had something
to do with why they didn't go for two.

Speaker 4 (01:35:11):
Right, And I completely understand the decision making by girod
Mayo in that case. Now you don't have to like it.

Speaker 3 (01:35:19):
No, I still don't like it, but I that that's
a reason, Like that's a reason, it's a legitimate factor.

Speaker 2 (01:35:26):
Yeah, I just hope it's something this regime learns from.
And you know, if they're in that position again, they
you know, we've been here, we were.

Speaker 4 (01:35:32):
The guy runs around for eleven point eight seconds.

Speaker 2 (01:35:34):
You know, like you'd just we've been here before. You know,
do we want to leave it up to like we
did last time? You know, like those thoughts then come
through your head. It's just all part of like building
this new foundation for whatever this new team is going
to be. And you know, that's what I think everybody
was like excited to win last week. But no offense
to to Kobe Brissette. But you're trying to build to
the future. You're trying to so you'd rather you know,
I don't know if you'd rather take the loss this week,

(01:35:55):
but you want to see something like that out of
may in a loss, then.

Speaker 6 (01:35:58):
You know, and it means something.

Speaker 4 (01:35:59):
Still, By the way, we're talking about whether or not
when Drake may said he was you know, he was
out of breath or something when he came to the
sideline as Mike asked him the question, did you you know,
did you put in your two cents for the play?
I don't think it's just Drake may that at that
point time, think about the offensive line, coach, No, no, no,
how about the offensive lineman who are probably holding kicking
the craping to try to get something. The receivers running back.

Speaker 6 (01:36:22):
Now they show the dots, you know, they show the dots.

Speaker 2 (01:36:24):
Ye saw the next gen and it's like you see,
like all the receivers just like they're just like doing
figures in the it's ten other guys.

Speaker 4 (01:36:30):
And you know, would it be such a surprise to
think with this offensive line that they line up for
two in false start right now and now we're playing
at the seven.

Speaker 3 (01:36:39):
But then you're just kicking.

Speaker 4 (01:36:40):
Yeah, okay, Eldred, you're on the line from North Carolina
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Speaker 7 (01:36:59):
I take my hand in Coke, I'm finished. Take one
right now, y'all can have the bud light. But Paul
I was one of those naysayers. And like I told
you a while about a couple of weeks ago, about
halfway in the middle. Now it's still in the same way,
yep with me, But I am impressed, so to speak,
got a little bit better. But I see the same thing.

(01:37:19):
But you know, he is a playmaker when he wants,
when he asked to be, and he do those things
making go.

Speaker 5 (01:37:25):
Din why you do that?

Speaker 7 (01:37:26):
But that's a rookie.

Speaker 3 (01:37:28):
I can give that, yep.

Speaker 7 (01:37:29):
And Mike you'll come for for Pope Nikil Harry.

Speaker 4 (01:37:36):
Now that I mean, you know what you're getting now.
But it's a little premature, Drake. It's a little premature
Eldred in my opinion.

Speaker 6 (01:37:43):
I mean, I mean, two players can both not be
good and different.

Speaker 3 (01:37:47):
I just don't think they have similar skill sets. I
think the correct you know, the result is the same,
But I don't think I don't think that they have
just like Taekwon Thornton, I wouldn't.

Speaker 7 (01:37:57):
Say, yeah, but the problem with him is picking the
wrong guy. Ye, I mean everybody got the lift. You
see the top guy, you see him, But I think,
what what the the guy said before me, is they
got bio mindset? Well, he's the one, he's a three,
or he's a sick about the same high thing and
you might get the same production. That's not true, that's

(01:38:19):
not true some time. But two is better than the one.
Sometimes you found a gym and a thick. But the
problem is in New England they ain't found one yet.
Besides Dougley, I gotta give Dougley.

Speaker 4 (01:38:29):
You know, sorry, thank you for the phone call there, Eldred,
I would jam, yeah, I would just say this to me,
You've got a really good example of a failed draft
pick at this point in time, and that's healthy. Scratch
Taekwon Thornton. Okay, we've seen enough over two plus years
with Taekwon Thornton. He probably didn't warrant being drafted where

(01:38:49):
he was drafted, and with other people around him, you
could make I think you've got enough of a body
of evidence to say that wasn't really.

Speaker 3 (01:38:56):
I would just say that the difference is like Taekwon
Thornton his rookie year would still be playing every one
of these games now, it's three years in and he's
a healthy scratch, you know. I it's it's tough because
Eldred's right, like people see the other guys around Nikhil Harry,
around Taekwon Thornton and now around Jalen Polk and some

(01:39:19):
of those other guys are contributing on a week to
week basis. Remind me on Polk, please, Paul, I apologize,
Keon Coleman Xavier League at yep, Ladd McConkie. These are
guys they have had. They traded they didn't trade up,
they traded down. You know the different options. And I'm
not telling you to you a point. They've played nine
games that you know it's not over. But I would

(01:39:41):
just tell you that Taekwon Thornton made more of an
impact in his first nine weeks on the Patriots than
Jalen polkas and I think that's next to nothing.

Speaker 4 (01:39:50):
By the way, caught a touchdown in Cleveland, right, he
had two touchdowns that day. I remember that.

Speaker 3 (01:39:54):
But he looked like a guy when he was playing
and healthy, because remember he started on IR. Yes, when
he came off of IR, he looked like a guy.
I didn't see it. I didn't buy it because he
just didn't impress me. But other people were like, did
you see the little adjustment he made in the end
zone against it? Yes, I remember these things. I don't
know why I can't use this for any good, but

(01:40:14):
I remember how Bailey Zappy bought time in the red
zone and he kind of went in and then back
out and made himself available and people were gushing over it.
It was kind of similar to when Albert Hainesworth drew
a holding call in a preseason game and everybody said
building it again until he was off the team like
ten weeks later.

Speaker 4 (01:40:33):
Dan in Hawaii writes in I have to agree with
Paul's comment that Drake may has it. The last playing
regulation stands as the most exciting play by the offense
in the last three seasons. I know we don't have
much outside of Drake, but when the season began, I
was hopeful that the one thing that we would come
out of this season with is a quarterback, and dam
if we don't have a quarterback now. The coaches need

(01:40:53):
to teach a quarterback to slide Fees first, coming off
a week where he'saf for a concussion, it is unacceptable
for him to lower his shoulder and plow on a
multiple after he made the first down.

Speaker 3 (01:41:03):
Like, just get down, that's all I I'm just asking
him to get down. Don't subject yourself to us. It's
I didn't like that comment. Like, I gotta make that
guy miss.

Speaker 7 (01:41:12):
I know you don't.

Speaker 3 (01:41:13):
Drake, we need you more. Like if everything is what
we think it's gonna be, he's the quarterback for the
next fifteen years.

Speaker 4 (01:41:20):
From your lips to God's ears, He's not gonna be
the quarterback for fifteen years running eight times for ninety
five yards every week. No, those stats are not good stats.
If you want Drake May to be the future of
the wing of Patriots.

Speaker 3 (01:41:30):
He's not as big as Josh Allen, not even close.
And he's as Lamar Jackson. Those guys generally don't last.
Those guys are anomalies. Jackson and Allen Lee from Oklahoma.
You will wrap things up from the phone standpoint here
on the Patriots postgame show presented by DraftKings helloly, Hey,
can you guys hear me?

Speaker 4 (01:41:50):
Yeah?

Speaker 18 (01:41:51):
Hey, I for one, I appreciate everything that you guys do.
I am a long distant Patriots fan. I tune into
you guys every Sunday and every Patriots Unfiltered show.

Speaker 8 (01:42:04):
So I appreciate that, and we appreciate.

Speaker 18 (01:42:09):
One thing I do want to say though, and I
have a lot of respect for Drake May and I
like the kid, right, but you also have eleven guys
plus hitting the field on defense, and you have a
defensive head coach, a defensive minded head coach. And the
one thing that baffles me is that we go out

(01:42:30):
and this was a game going into this that you're
really at least I felt like this was a game
we should have won, you know, and I heard a
stat you know, we haven't won two games in a
row since twenty twenty two, right, And you go into
this thinking like, yeah, you're out with you know, you
don't have Kyle Dugger, but they're also starting a backup quarterback,

(01:42:54):
Mason Rudolph.

Speaker 8 (01:42:56):
And I sit there and I just what can we
do defensively?

Speaker 18 (01:43:01):
We're giving up more than four yards to carry. Guess
you don't have ben Ley Dugger is hit and missed.
You struggle defensively, but you have a defensive minded head coach.
How much more of it?

Speaker 12 (01:43:11):
So?

Speaker 3 (01:43:12):
Can I just ask that?

Speaker 4 (01:43:13):
Lee?

Speaker 3 (01:43:14):
Can I ask you did you feel like it was
a game that they should win. They should have won
like heading into the game or based on the way
the game was unfolded.

Speaker 8 (01:43:22):
Heading into the game.

Speaker 3 (01:43:23):
Okay, and all right, yep, I get ou.

Speaker 4 (01:43:26):
Education, yep.

Speaker 18 (01:43:28):
To be honest with you, though, the most frustrating thing
about it is is I graduated from Oklahoma State University.
I watched Mason Rudolph play over fifteen home football games.

Speaker 3 (01:43:40):
Oh yes, so I get where you're going.

Speaker 8 (01:43:43):
So one thing is is this, no matter who you play,
even in the NFL.

Speaker 18 (01:43:51):
They're still gonna shoot themselves in the foot. You're gonna
have third down and what I call dis right third
down and five third down and six third down and
seven where you know they have to throw the ball
even if you're giving up four yards to carry right?
So what happened to our pass rush?

Speaker 12 (01:44:05):
Like?

Speaker 8 (01:44:05):
What happened to it?

Speaker 18 (01:44:06):
Because Mason Rudolph is not an elusive quarterback. I love
the guy. He's a great athlete he was in college,
but he cannot survive pressure. And I feel like with
a head coach like Mayo, why didn't we pressure anymore?
I mean, whenever you look at him at third down
and six, he dropped back and he gets guys over

(01:44:27):
the middle. I mean there there was multiple times where
there wasn't guy within six feet of the receiver. And
I mean the kid's not a threat to run the
ball against you, so why not Pressurrey? But I want
your guys.

Speaker 3 (01:44:43):
I understand what you're saying. But I think Mike woul
would answer that who with who?

Speaker 4 (01:44:49):
With whom this is?

Speaker 3 (01:44:51):
Who provides the pressure?

Speaker 6 (01:44:52):
Want to sell out and send six seven guys? And
you know you couldn't really hold up and coverage as
it was.

Speaker 3 (01:44:58):
And I'm not, you know, second guessing that Matthew Judon
trade as an example, or the Joshua Ushe trade. But
those are your top two pass rushers, say on Josh
from July first, right, they're both gone. Probably your next
best guy in getting pressure was Christian Barmore, who's been.

Speaker 6 (01:45:18):
Gone like Bentley. Bentley's even a pressure guy.

Speaker 3 (01:45:22):
I get it, Like Lee's absolutely right he and Lee
knows better than most as an Oklahoma State fan what
Mason Rudolph is. And you saw the numbers today when
when pressured when not pressured, Schlerot had the graphic he
circled it. It was alarming the difference. The problem is

(01:45:43):
how do you get pressure when you don't have guys
that are going to win one on one matchups? And
they don't have enough of those guys, no question about it,
I don't.

Speaker 6 (01:45:49):
They don't. They have key On White who will win.
He wins with power, not enough inside only.

Speaker 3 (01:45:57):
He's active, he's athletic, high motor. It's a promise, good
solid second year guy having a good solid year two jump,
but he's not that guy.

Speaker 4 (01:46:06):
Inconsistent. He's inconsistent, and I would think would be maddening.
I think on the defensive coaching chaff because my guess
is in the second year, despite the jump and everything
that Paul said, and I agree with that, they probably
expect more.

Speaker 3 (01:46:18):
I think so.

Speaker 2 (01:46:18):
I mean, and you know, if he was next to
Christian Barmore, I think that he might might feel a
little bit more effective because that guy's going to draw
some attention away from Kim White.

Speaker 6 (01:46:26):
But when it's only key On White is the only guy.

Speaker 2 (01:46:28):
That can consistently, and then not even consist but he's
the only guy who gets any kind of pressure throughout
the games, it's a really hard way to live.

Speaker 4 (01:46:37):
Well. The Patriots fight gamely to get it into overtime.
They lose an overtime to the Tennessee Titans to fall
to two and seven on a year. Next up, they'll
be on the road again, going to the Windy City
to take on the Chicago Bears, who right now were
down in Arizona. That will do it for us.

Speaker 3 (01:46:56):
No path talk this week, no fath you like it now?

Speaker 4 (01:46:59):
The path is to Chicago this week, Paul, that's where
the path is. That'll do it for us. On the
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postgame show, Matt, sorry, Matt, I was kidding from Matt
Morele Matt lapan Chris Judge Paul Parillo, Mike du said,
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