Patriots Postgame Show 11/9: Full Breakdown of 28-23 Win vs. Buccaneers

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Speaker 4 (00:46):
Welcome into the Patriots Postgame Show presented by DraftKings. Mike
du So is writing, but he'll be here in just
a second. Pup Rollo is here in myself. Quantie Lunas.
Thank you for tuning in. After another Patriots win twenty
eight to twelve, twenty three down in Tampa Bay, Paul,
it was a gritty one, as we predicted.

Speaker 3 (01:05):
Terrific game.

Speaker 5 (01:05):
Yeah, really good game.

Speaker 3 (01:07):
I thought the Patriots made a number of plays when
the game was on the line that they had to
make defensively, just coming up with timely pressure. Caylevon Chason
will not I don't think get a lot of publicity
after this game, but I thought he was around, in
and around a lot of really really important plays in

(01:27):
this game. And uh, just a hard fought road victory.
Seventh in a row, five and zero on the road.
This team has really got it going the resolutely.

Speaker 4 (01:37):
What was your takeaway from Drake May's performance in this one.

Speaker 3 (01:41):
I know, yeah, made some big throws, obviously, but just
I think he is a guy who looks to me
like he's sort of in between on some of these
decisions when he needs to make a play, when he
should pull the plug on a play. Absolutely miss end
zone interception when they had a chance to it at

(02:03):
the very least kick a field goal to make it
an eight point game, put the game in peril. But
you know, I thought he overcame a tough start in
the first quarter and got hot, you know, toward the
end of the first quarter into the second. You know,
he throw us for two hundred and seventy yards. Not
his best game, not his worst game. I have him
thoroughly in the middle again, but you see the plays

(02:24):
that he can make. The throw to Hollins down the sideline,
you know, in the fourth quarter, third and long, I
thought he took some hits, showed some toughness just I mean,
I don't really worry about the quarterback, to be honest with.

Speaker 4 (02:37):
You, that's fair and overall when we look at this
game looking again, we talked about it in the pregame show,
but obviously we'll get into the fact that they have
a short week ahead of them. But what is something
that you would crucially want to improve upon?

Speaker 3 (02:50):
So I don't like necessarily they do a lot of
things well. I think defensively, they just they make life
difficult on the opponent on a weekly basis. I think
they've played very disciplined and sound football on the defensive
side of the ball. It's not lights out defense, but

(03:11):
they really make you earn it. There's very little you know.
You know, the first touchdown today Tampa had obviously was
guys not on the same page. It looked like some
people were in man, some people were in zone. That's
a rarity where they sort of blow a coverage or
just give up free, free, easy yards. I just the

(03:32):
only thing you could ask is if they could do
maybe a little bit more consistently. But I don't think
they're capable of being any more consistent than they've been.
This is just an extended stretch of really really good football,
well coached, well disciplined, gritty, hard nosed. When plays need
to be made, the Patriots make them. And this is
going on. You know, five of the last seven year,

(03:53):
this seven game winning streak, you know, four or five
of them could have gone either way, but for a
play here or there the difference, and the Patriots are
making it every time.

Speaker 4 (04:02):
Absolutely, And Mike Dusau is here fresh off of writing,
but what were your.

Speaker 5 (04:06):
Takaways in this way?

Speaker 1 (04:07):
No, I like what Paul said. It was you know,
it's kind of happens fast. You've got to gather your
thoughts and write a little bit and then hop on here.
But really that was kind of what I came to
with Paul. It wasn't you know, a perfect game today.
You know, you hate the interception from May down on
the goal line there, but they're finding ways to overcome
those things and to get huge contributions, huge play, big
play contributions from the two rookies on you know, three

(04:29):
different plays. That bodes really well for this team. I
just I like what Paul had to say. They're finding
ways to win and that's just, you know, a really
great sign. A lot of times you talk about a
new team with a new coach and young players that
it's up and down. You know, they they struggle to
find their what their identity is, and this Patriots team
hasn't really seemed to have lost that identity along this

(04:51):
win streak. They continue to overcome their mistakes and you know, defensively,
they give up some drives here and there, but they
got into that position at the end of the game,
which I've talked about the last couple of weeks. It's like,
I don't feel great about them when it's you know,
middle of the field first second down standard. But when
you get into clutch time and you get a team
into a third and long or a third or a
clinical fourth down, this defense has been finding ways all

(05:12):
season long to make those key.

Speaker 3 (05:14):
Today I thought was even more impressive because they weren't longs,
they were shorts that they were coming up. They must
have had five stops on third or fourth and three
or less today. Just their their timeliness on on defense
was really impressive today. Like I said, it wasn't perfect.
There was ups and downs along the way, but every

(05:34):
time a play had to be made, somebody made a
play and they you know, somehow found a way to
get the win.

Speaker 1 (05:41):
It goes are really to Paul, like what we talked
about in the pregame show, which was we were talking
about bootying up being here and how the big plays
to Booty had offset some of the times when they
were stumbling or the offense would go stagnant. And today
it was kind of the same thing, different players, but
you know, it's obviously a completely different game with out.
First of all, the you know, the huge run catch

(06:02):
and run by Kyle Williams and then the big run
by Henderson and of course the one at the end
from Henderson was great to seal it. But you know,
still those are those are the plays that really make
up for some of the clunkiness that you had, because
let's face it, this game in the second half looked
a lot like last week's did where they came out.
You know, last week they came out, they scored a
field goal, then it was interception punt three and out.

(06:22):
You know, they they came out well and then they
didn't play well in the second half. So that's something
probably to focus on because now you're looking at ye
came out touchdown on two plays, you.

Speaker 5 (06:31):
Know, gone, you know, so it's not really a drive even.

Speaker 1 (06:34):
But you know you still score a touchdow then punt downs,
punt interception.

Speaker 3 (06:37):
If you were going to nitpick this game, and I know,
like this isn't the time to nitpick because we're you know,
it's a big road win, that would be it like
you had several possessions when you could have created a
two score lead in the second half and just couldn't
put the game over.

Speaker 1 (06:50):
Yeah, yeah, and that's and that's what you know. I
don't like getting ahead of myself and talking about playoffs
or but you know.

Speaker 5 (06:55):
Games against good teams.

Speaker 1 (06:57):
I think this game is going to be a learning
experience of we escaped with one here, but a quarterback
like Baker Mayfield, a veteran team like that get into
the playoffs. These are the games that you got to
when you have the chance to put them away, you
have to because as we saw, it gets right down
to the end, it can get pretty hairy.

Speaker 4 (07:12):
Absolutely a lot of tangible takeaways for the Patriots and
this one and by the way, you mention Kyle Williams
will get a chance to talk to him a little
bit later in the show. Boys stickle around for that.
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Speaker 1 (08:13):
I'm gonna start with mac hollins huge play at the
end obviously which you know, maybe should have sealed it
but didn't. But I just thought he was excellent again today.
Six catches, one hundred and six yards, a couple of
key you know, third down catches in the third, third quarter.
There another big one that he had and then of
course the fifty six yarder, but needed guys to step

(08:34):
up without Booty and this was kind of the mac
Hollins we saw this summer that you know, I was
surprised earlier in the year when it you know, it
just didn't seem like Drake was really looking his way
all that much.

Speaker 5 (08:44):
Last few weeks you've seen him start to get back
into that.

Speaker 1 (08:47):
I don't know if it's because Booty's been out or
if they're just you know, finding ways to get the
ball to mac hollins, but I thought he.

Speaker 5 (08:52):
Was really good today.

Speaker 1 (08:53):
He was, you know, key receiver for them, and you know,
I wish they could have made that last big play
in the game and stick the touchdown in there. But
still he's he's finding ways to contribute, and you gotta
like the production he's put forth.

Speaker 4 (09:05):
Absolutely.

Speaker 3 (09:06):
Yeah. I'm gonna start with Kaylevon Chase On, who I
thought was around some really really important place today. Early
in the game, you know, the Bucks get the ball
to start go right down the field seven to nothing,
then they get the ball right back. I think the
Patriots might have gotten a fourth down conversion to get
the first down, then three and out after that. So

(09:28):
now the Bucks got the ball again, and there's a
you know, I think it might have been the second
time that they had the ball with a chance to
go up two scores. And he comes up on first down,
sort of sniffs out a play in the you know,
a quick little screen and got in the way. And
then on third down, you know, forcing an incomplete. Then

(09:48):
on third down he comes up with a sack. On
third and short two, you know, kind of made a
huge play. And then at the end of the game,
you know, the fourth down play, he comes steam rolling
on a beautiful stunt. Uh, they got very aggressive. Hats
off to Zach Corer. It's fourth and three. They sent
Charles Charles What am I thinking? Woodson? No, no, no, Craig

(10:15):
woods Craig Woodson, I knew it. Charis Woodson comes on
a blitz, Chason loops around, he gets right onto Baker Mayfield,
rips him down. Mayfield forced to just sort of desperately
try to flip the ball away. But I thought those
timely plays early in the game when the Patriots were
kind of teetering, you know, and then late in the

(10:38):
game when the game is on the line. Chas On
was really really immense. I don't know, I mean, I
don't know if he had more for stats, but I
just felt like, yeah, I just felt like he was
involved in some You only had one tackle, one sack,
he blew up a screen. That's really a sack on

(10:59):
the fourth down at the end of the game. It
should have been you know, man, there would have been
a lot of crying had they had White been able
to get the first down on that. So, uh yeah,
I thought Chase sam was was one of my goods today.
That's good.

Speaker 4 (11:12):
So I'm going to borrow this from the CBS broadcast.
I like the way they kind of grouped it in
the rookies with the explosive touchdown plays if Kyle Williams
of course getting his TV today as predicted by our caller,
and then Trevion Henderson with the fifty five and sixty
nine yards two rushing touchdowns, but just overall the rookies
being able to step up last week we talked about
next man up this week again, the depth on their

(11:33):
receiver chart really showing that they have good running backs
and good receivers.

Speaker 1 (11:37):
I like how you did it, Quanny, because I don't
know if those three really did anything other things exactly.

Speaker 4 (11:41):
And that's why I group it that way because just
specifically for the way they were able to.

Speaker 3 (11:47):
They certainly belong on the good lest.

Speaker 1 (11:48):
Yeah, for sure, that was a little that was kind
of this, But no, that's a you know, a great sign.
And you know, we have a segment coming up. I
think there might be something there. But you know, we've
been talking about it all week. We had a caller
which is on Twitter, but we had a caller this
week on Patriotson filtered the Francisco.

Speaker 5 (12:06):
Francisco's nailing it. He's nailing it every week much.

Speaker 3 (12:09):
And it's not like, and I said this during the week, Mike,
It's not like he's predicting like, well, Drake may is
going to throw for twenty. He's not predicting things that
are kind of obvious. He's predicting very specific things that
are like once in a lifetime kind of deal. Yeah
I meant, I mean, was that Williams had two catches
coming in, right, Like you're predicting a fifty yard catch

(12:32):
for a guy who has like less than five catches
whatever the money, I think he has two catches, but
less than five catches coming in. It's just unbelievable two
catches coming in some of these, you know, and he
only had one catch in this game and it goes
for a seventy two yard touchdown. So he's good list.

Speaker 4 (12:49):
Yeah, absolutely, Francisco's on the good list.

Speaker 1 (12:51):
Yeah, Francisco, nice job. What do you have for us
next week? Better fallen Wednesday for Thursday night? Yeah, I'm
gonna put on Just how do I play? It's just
the performance around halftime, what do you call it? The middle,
the double score, the double score. They might continue to
do it, and that's really impressive to me how they've
been able to because I mean, let's face it, like
I said, like large portion of the second half this

(13:14):
offense was stagnant, that came out kind of stagnant. But
their ability around halftime, I mean, I don't know. I
feel like I need to do a deep dive into
this this week and write about it just to get
it all in context in my brain.

Speaker 5 (13:24):
But it feels like every week they score right before
the half.

Speaker 1 (13:27):
You know the game is going one way and you're like, man,
this's gonna be a tough one, and then they score
right before halftime, they score right out of halftime, and
all of a sudden they've got a lead that they've
been able to hang on to.

Speaker 5 (13:35):
So just the execution around halftime I thought was I think.

Speaker 3 (13:39):
That was a big part of the game. And it's
not the first time, as you mentioned, it's been big.
That's been big, and the execution there I don't I
don't particularly like how it came about at the end
of the first half, but those double scores have been
immense for this team. Tennessee completely ended the ten game Cleveland.

(14:03):
You know some of those games that you look at
the end of the day and they're they're winning in
blowouts and you're like, oh, well, that didn't really well.
You're winning in blowouts because you're scoring on consecutive possessions
a lot of times. Now, today you played a better team,
so it didn't end the game. But you score fourteen
in a row and you're gonna win. You're gonna win
a lot of games when you get to score fourteen
in a row like that, and that was ultimately the

(14:24):
difference in the game. I absolutely had that on my
good list. I had so not necessarily these individuals, but
Craig Woodson in Christian Gonzales on third and three, I
believe it was, you know, late in the game on
that last drive, certainly Tampa looks like they're poised to
go down and at least knock on the door. Kate Oughten,

(14:46):
who was a problem all day nine for eighty two,
he's he's open and they come in and sandwich him
with a great hit. First Woods and hits, then Gonzales hits,
knocks the ball free, forces it to be a fourth down.
That's again, that's another example. That's another example that they're
going to be at the eighteen yard line with plenty

(15:07):
of time and they're going to do with what happened
to you at the end of the half, what you
did to them at the end of the half was
going to happen to you. Here they were going to
score with very little time left for for Drake May
and company to go down and try to get a
field goal. So this play right here is immense and
you see it. They just perfectly time hits both with
the shoulder, both below the shoulder, not not up around

(15:30):
the head. Nothing cheap, just really good football plays. And
sometimes you make a play at a key time like that,
and that's that's enough to get on Mike. I mean
I'm an easy grader. Sometimes that's enough to get on
my good list. That was that was a really really
good play by your two defensive.

Speaker 1 (15:45):
Backs to do one Stefan Diggs, you know, especially early,
it's kind of all him, okay, And then to catch
the on sides kick, which I hope he's all right.
See if maybe he's able to speak in the locker room.

Speaker 5 (16:00):
A great sign.

Speaker 1 (16:00):
But uh, you know, not nothing crazy five for forty six,
but you know, had that that was his third touchdown
of the year, and just you know, to be able
to hang on to this play, sacrifice yourself. You know
you're going to take a big hit going up to
get the ball. But that that sealed it. I mean,
I really, uh that.

Speaker 3 (16:17):
Might have been the biggest play of the game too, Mike,
because I just can't even imagine not trying to score
and then not scoring, like mentally, how that would have
and the difference between that happening. The difference between that
happening was Stefan Diggs making an absolutely insane catch.

Speaker 5 (16:36):
Yeah, yeah, so I agree with you even if it
was had that on.

Speaker 3 (16:42):
That list just for that. But as you mentioned, a
couple of the big spots that he had safety blanket
type catches the on side kick recovery to make sure
there was no miracle comeback. Uh yeah, Diggs again, just
his professionalism continues to shine.

Speaker 5 (16:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (16:59):
Yeah, so similar to you, I had Kleon Chase. I'm
on my defensive good list as well, but I added
Jack Gibbons just mainly I don't know I noticed. Yeah,
So I gave him that for my good list tackles total.

Speaker 3 (17:16):
This I had. I had written down that pass protection
was much better. You know, this kind of deteriorated as
the game was going on, and in the fourth quarter
he was really taking some shots. But I do think
the pass protection overall today was better than it has been.
I think there's some Giabbi gave Will Campbell some trouble

(17:41):
in this game, and obviously Vida Vey is a monster.
He was given all kinds of trouble to the interior guys.
But overall, I thought Drake May for the better part
of the first three quarters had some more time. In
the fourth quarter, man, was he taking some shots? He was.

Speaker 1 (17:57):
I know, That's that's what I hated most about the game.
It's just the shots that he continued to take. But
you know, I didn't really I kind of struggled good
or bad list for him. I amanded up, I ended
up last week.

Speaker 3 (18:08):
Drake.

Speaker 5 (18:08):
Yeah, I just you know, there weren't a lot of throws.

Speaker 1 (18:12):
I mean, you had the three huge scores where you know,
to me just had to hand it off.

Speaker 5 (18:16):
You know, he did have to throw to Mac Collins.

Speaker 1 (18:17):
And again you have good plays and bad plays, and
you know, the interceptions an example of the bad Drake
that we we don't want to see. That we got
to clean up those mistakes in big games. But some
of the hits that he took, I just I agree
with you, Paul. I also thought that he just showed
some some better poise, maybe a little hanging in there,
a little bit more than he had last week. But
it felt like they were really doing a good job

(18:39):
collapse in the pocket around him, not making it easy
for him to escape. But this is now, this is
how it goes. You got to make some plays, you
give him some plays. You got to be able to
stay focused, fight through the down moments.

Speaker 5 (18:51):
And you know, overall, I thought Drake continue to be
pretty good. He's not.

Speaker 1 (18:55):
I don't think anybody's gonna watch this game today and
say MVP candidates still.

Speaker 5 (18:58):
But that's fine.

Speaker 1 (18:59):
He doesn't need to be He just needs to be
a quarterback who can continue to cut down.

Speaker 3 (19:03):
His numbers today actually are going to seem a lot
better than they were, like the two seventy. Yeah, but
you're you're right.

Speaker 5 (19:11):
Fifty one point six percentage completion.

Speaker 3 (19:13):
Yeah. Not on the bad list because he made too
many big plays, you know. And I know that the
Kyle Williams touchdown was largely a run after the top,
but there was you know, good throw and the throw
to Hollins was perfect, you know, deep ball, staring right
down the barrel of the pass rush, as Tony Romo
said on the broadcast, and he just drops it right
in he's I mean, he's If there's a better deep

(19:35):
ball thrower in the league right now, I haven't seen.
I know, I know it's every one. He gives this
guy a chance to make a play. I just say.

Speaker 1 (19:41):
My only real, you know, criticism other than just some
of the mistakes, is just sometimes he feels a little
wishy washy to me of like are you.

Speaker 5 (19:47):
Going out of bounce? Are you good? Like you know
what I mean, just don't half asset, you.

Speaker 1 (19:51):
Know, saying like he's going out of bounds, and you're like,
if you're going out of bouncing, get out of bounce
and protect yourself there, don't.

Speaker 6 (19:57):
Kind of like take every last second to observe the field.
Like and I get it that this is a special
player who maybe one time he is just one foot
out of bounds and he chucks a touchdown pass like
a laser. But at the same time, I just that's
it's going to be such a key point. You got
to make sure we protect ourselves on these plays. The
last thing this team needs is to is to lose
this kid.

Speaker 1 (20:16):
And again, it's another week where I don't know what
the hit numbers were, but he took a lot of
hits inside the pocket, outside the pocket, et cetera.

Speaker 3 (20:24):
Yeah, I mean, I think that's about all I had,
But I would I would totally co sign and everything
Mike just said about Drake May, I mean, not anything
that you would put on the bad list, but some
of the decisions. There was a play in the first
half even that he looked like he wanted to throw
the ball away and he couldn't decide whether he wanted
to throw it away or not. And then he almost

(20:45):
threw a pick and they never really showed the replay
to see if the guy was out of bounds when
he caught it. But I just you know, it was
just I would say, like, once you decide what you're doing,
do it and like like Mike said, and you could
avoid some hits that way. But again, made enough plays
to win a game, and they've won seven in a row.

Speaker 1 (21:06):
And yeah, just you know, it's getting the stats now
from next Gen. I mean, for what it's worth, the
pressure rate, but in that gen forty seven point two,
which would be the second highest rate this season behind
the New Orleans game. So you know there there was
some pressure on him today. And by the same token,
the Patriots pressure rate not great today, which you know didn't.

Speaker 5 (21:28):
Feel like it.

Speaker 1 (21:28):
But again that this feels more on part to me,
like it wasn't great pressure throughout, but when you had
to have it, you got said they were delivering the
pressure absolutely.

Speaker 4 (21:37):
All right, I guess we move on to the bed.

Speaker 3 (21:40):
Uh do you do?

Speaker 7 (21:41):
You do?

Speaker 5 (21:41):
You you know?

Speaker 1 (21:41):
I gotta I mean, I was gonna just say special
teams until you know, they did recover size kick, which
I think does go a long way for the special teams.
But you know, overall early on two holds, early on
not great field position.

Speaker 3 (21:55):
I mean they're you know, he had a touch back
on the first punt, touch back on the first kid,
I'm sorry, and then a touchback in the first punt,
then a penalty on the second punt, a thirty eight
yard punt Marcus Jones muffs the punt. And you mentioned
the penalties. I think there were two different penalties on
returns punt returns. So yeah, I mean special teams a

(22:17):
little sloppy, as you said, though, you know, when they
had to have a play, it was not an easy recovery.
The on side, k it was a good place, big
play by Digs.

Speaker 5 (22:27):
Can cuss for it.

Speaker 1 (22:28):
Hopefully's all right, But yeah, I just you know, I'd
love to get some more contributions from special teams, even
if it's just feel position right now, it doesn't feel like,
you know, there's I mean, you know, parts of it
are pretty good. I mean, Borgollis has been consistent and
you know, they didn't really need him today, But at
the same time, it's, you know, I think this is
a team that needs everybody kind of pulling in the
right direction, especially if they're going to make some noise
down the stretch, So I just want to see special

(22:48):
teams be a little bit more buttoned up before that
on side Ski Absolutely.

Speaker 3 (22:53):
Yeah, I thought there was some coverage issues in this
game in general, but the touchdown, it looked to me
like Gonzales may have been in man and Marcus Jones
thought there was zoned. I don't know what they were
supposed to be. It looked like a lot of people
were in zone. So I think maybe Gonzales was that
fault on that particular play. But you can't leave the

(23:13):
other team's best receiver uncovered, and he was open all day.
I know, like the numbers are going to you know,
six catches on thirteen targets. Well, they did a good
job on a book. I don't think they did. He
had a couple of drops. He had a couple that
may Mayfield missed him on a little bit. I thought
the coverage was a little inconsistent today. It wasn't bad.

(23:34):
It wasn't bad. There were times where I thought they
made some tight windows for Mayfield. But I didn't. I
didn't love. I didn't love this game for the coverage.

Speaker 1 (23:43):
Yeah, the coverage number is pretty interesting, Paul. They have
Gonzalez targeted fifteen times with seven receptions for eighty nine yards,
which is by far the highest total. I mean the
fifteen targets.

Speaker 3 (23:54):
So that's really up and down though, Like so seven
catches eighty nine yards, that's it. Well, that's not a
good day. But they needed fifteen targets for it. So
that's eight times that he I would just argue that
out of five, you know, maybe four or five of
those eight was two flat drops for Abuca, two flat
misses for Mayfield, one of which we came on a

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key throw it down that he ran like one of
those little in and out moves, those little, you know,
scissor outes, and he was open, and Tony Romo said,
if he uncovers right away, this is an easy completion.
And then they showed the replay and he covered right
away and Mayfield just threw the ball wide. So I,
like I said, I wouldn't put Gonzales on the bad list.
I would put coverage in general inconsistent today, a little

(24:37):
less consistent than I would like to see a lot.

Speaker 4 (24:39):
Of things on my bad list. You kind of you
look at how Tampa performed, it kind of cancels it
out essentially to your point, So that.

Speaker 5 (24:47):
Ye, yeah, it's no. I think Paul's right about the
covers too.

Speaker 3 (24:51):
Gonzalas also had a big PI you know that jump
started a scoring drive for the third quarter.

Speaker 1 (24:57):
You know, it just it feels like the times they're
they're holding on but they you know, they seem to
make the plays when they have to, but sometimes it
doesn't always look look pretty on the way.

Speaker 5 (25:05):
What was this one I have here?

Speaker 1 (25:07):
I just tight end coverage and that probably feeds into
what Paul said, but just you know, this just continues
to be an area of difficulty for this defense, and
it's existed back to the summer. I don't think Kate
Auden was necessarily dynamic receiver. I mean, solid player, big guy,
no question, but you know, not one of the guys
you think of when you think of the best tight
end players in the league.

Speaker 5 (25:27):
So again they gave up a bunch of yards to him.
They got to figure out a way.

Speaker 3 (25:30):
Nine for eighty two for him and again.

Speaker 1 (25:33):
Big drop though again like it's two plays, So he
had nine for eighty two.

Speaker 3 (25:38):
One is the big play if they knocked away, So
that's you know, that's ten for you know, ninety two
ninety seven and the pent only pick on the fourth down,
which was absolutely a pick. Yeah, I don't want to
go to last week. Sometimes they call him and sometimes
they don't. But that was absolutely the right call, you know,
because well, he knocked into Mapu and I think that

(26:02):
prevents him from running. But does anybody think map who's
going to prevent that completion?

Speaker 5 (26:07):
That's that's not his thing.

Speaker 3 (26:08):
And like I said last week, that's not part of
the equation. Whether or not you think the guy's going
to be in position to make the play, you need
to call it when you see the contact. The contact
was there, the referee he called it.

Speaker 5 (26:20):
That's kind of all I've written down for bads. I mean,
I just I don't know.

Speaker 3 (26:23):
So I'm gonna say I'm gonna have one that you're
you gonna laugh your butt off the running game.

Speaker 5 (26:28):
Oh good one, that's good.

Speaker 3 (26:30):
Ye. I mean we were the numbers. This is this
is hard. Okay, just take out the two big runs.
Just ran for twenty seven for one sixty six. That's
six points. Want to carry today? Listen. The explosiveness of
Trevion Henderson was obvious for all to see. That's why
he was on our good list. You know, Kwannie, you
had the two rookies with the three explosive plays, and

(26:53):
that absolutely is a big part of this game, and
they're on the good list. But seven carries for thirteen
yards on scrambles for Drake May, didn't get anything. Four
carries or five yards for Terrell Jennings short yardage, couldn't
move at all, could not move at all. You know,
I know it's a lot of yards, right, that's what

(27:14):
seventy and fifties, one hundred and twenty five, one hundred
and twenty four, two carries for one hundred and twenty
four yards. He ended up with the twelve carries for
one hundred and forty seven yards in the game. So
you know that's that's not good enough production running the
ball now, you made the big plays, and I think
Mike was talking about this a lot, so it's not

(27:34):
necessarily something I would say that was horrible. Mike has
been talking about this all year. We feel like we're
close to some explosive plays in the run game, and
those skewed the numbers. Well, you saw today how they
skew the numbers. You make two runs of sixty nine
and fifty five yards and you end up with one
hundred and sixty six yards rushing. It doesn't take a

(27:54):
mathematician to figure out you had twenty five carries for
like thirty yards.

Speaker 1 (27:58):
Otherwise, good stuck out to me, especially toward the end
of the game in the second half, some of the
play calling I just didn't you know, it just felt like, man,
these long, developing tosses to Henderson. I mean, it looks
great when he's able to get the edge, but a
couple of those they just look like they had no chance.
I don't know if Tampa adjusted and got a beat
on him, but you know, plays like this where it's

(28:19):
just a jail break and he's getting hit two yards
in the backfield, they don't really even seem to have
a chance. The one he broke at the end felt
like it was kind of head in that direction and
he just kind of stayed on his balance and then
broke free and accelerated.

Speaker 5 (28:30):
But you know, it's just look, he got hurt.

Speaker 1 (28:32):
Briefly, it looked for a moment like you were all
of a sudden going to be Dearness, Johnson, who signed
here two weeks ago, is going to be your only back.
They either got to get they got to get healthy
with vermondre or, they got to figure out a way to.

Speaker 3 (28:43):
Two line, and you really didn't come close to get in.
Like that's that almost backfire, you know, with Mike deciding
to sort of kneel on the ball on first down
to take take time off the clock. Fortunately Diggs bailed
him out on fourth down.

Speaker 4 (28:58):
Yeah, he sounds like an the question I was going
to ask. It's not like with this depth in the
running game, Remandre is the only hope.

Speaker 3 (29:06):
In your point, well, I.

Speaker 1 (29:07):
Mean, I don't think you're going to find another lead
back out there. I mean it's just the Remandre with
his past blocking, his ability to catch the ball to
it all.

Speaker 5 (29:14):
I mean, he's he's an answer if they can get
him back.

Speaker 4 (29:17):
Oh all right, right on, jarrettle Williams is here. Congratulations.

Speaker 8 (29:22):
I appreciate you, Appreciate you.

Speaker 5 (29:24):
Congratulations.

Speaker 9 (29:24):
Kyle.

Speaker 5 (29:25):
Was there any chance you were getting caught on that one?

Speaker 4 (29:28):
No?

Speaker 10 (29:31):
In my hand, the one place to.

Speaker 4 (29:33):
Go, big day for rookies when it comes to scoring.
What did you see on that drive? You're seventy two
yard TD nothing.

Speaker 11 (29:41):
But green grass.

Speaker 3 (29:42):
I mean.

Speaker 12 (29:44):
We had to look with one it and we took
advantage of it.

Speaker 3 (29:47):
So, Kyle, it's been a little bit of a slow
start for you, but it's obvious every week that you
have the full confidence of your teammates. And you could
see just the reaction when when you were able to
make that play. You were close. And we watch every
week and we see you running routes and getting open
at times and it just hasn't clicked. How tough is
that to stay with it, knowing that you're doing what

(30:09):
you're supposed to do when you're waiting for your turn,
and then all of a sudden you get rewarded today
with this big play. Oh.

Speaker 12 (30:15):
I mean at times it could be frustrating, but when
you have a team in a receipting room like what
we got here, I mean, it just makes that like
it just makes it a lot calming, you know what
I'm saying. Just knowing that they still trust you and
that they're not giving up with you, and that allows
you to put a lot of more belief for yourself.
So be able to just you know what, even if
I'm not getting my opportunity, you know what I'm saying,
I can still come out here and contribute in whatever way.

Speaker 9 (30:37):
And at the end of the day is you got
to control control.

Speaker 1 (30:40):
You talk a little more about just the support you've
had from that room, Kyle. All year long, we've been hearing,
you know, Diggs and Mac talk about you're gonna get
your chance, like it felt like they were cheering for you.
How supportive of those leaders and the other guys in
the wide receiver be room ben for you.

Speaker 9 (30:54):
I mean, I mean, they's supportive as it gets.

Speaker 12 (30:56):
I mean, it's I don't even think i'd really explain it,
but those dudes are like big brothers to me. You know,
they mentor me, uh, the whole group, they mentor as
young guys we come in every day. They keep pressing
the standard an example, and it's just at the end
of the day Stephen mc.

Speaker 11 (31:11):
They always just inspire.

Speaker 12 (31:12):
You, put in belief into you, put in if you
don't got confidence, you said, they're gonna.

Speaker 3 (31:16):
Put confidence in you.

Speaker 12 (31:17):
And I mean, I think that's great as a VET
and as from a VET to a young guy.

Speaker 3 (31:21):
So, Kyle, I gotta let you know we have you know,
we do shows during the week here at Patriots dot Com.
We have a caller who calls in every week with
something that he predicts is going to happen in the
game a couple of weeks ago. Uh, you know, he
said something last week he said, Parker Romo is going
to miss an extra point. It's going to be a
big point in the game. This week, he said, Kyle
Williams is going to catch a fifty plus yard touchdown pass.

(31:44):
So no, not only just you were going to catch
a touchdown, it was going to be from fifty plus.
So I wonder know if you have something going on
with some of our fans.

Speaker 12 (31:56):
No, I don't know from a canapick, but I need
to get in touch.

Speaker 4 (32:04):
Oh, Kyle, thank you so much for your time. Congratulations
on the week.

Speaker 3 (32:07):
I appreciate, thank you, travels, congratulations, thank you, thank you.

Speaker 1 (32:13):
Phrase from I should I should point out too. We
you know, we heard this year that you know a
lot of people in the building got to meet with
various rookies when they came through, and somebody said to me,
like everyone just loved Kyle Williams, Like his personality just
won everybody over. You can see it in the locker room.
He's always got a smile on his face. Last week
during Halloween, he had one of those costumes where I think,

(32:34):
you know, you put it on and it looks like
you're carrying somebody you know, smaller than you.

Speaker 5 (32:38):
It's your head. And he just gave it to one
of them. He's like, you need a costume here, you have.

Speaker 3 (32:42):
A costume for tight. You gave it to one of
the writer.

Speaker 5 (32:45):
You just gave it out.

Speaker 1 (32:46):
But uh, you know, I asked him that question because
you could just tell that this little group, they all
kind of sit together and for a group that just
didn't really have much energy or good vibes or you know,
didn't wasn't able to ever find any momentum last year
the wide Receiver room this year credit digs credit Mac Hollins.
The older guys that have come in and really just
you know, established a great leadership. I mean the answer

(33:06):
that that Kyle gave I thought was, you know, pretty impressive.

Speaker 5 (33:09):
I he's kind of a throw away, like, oh.

Speaker 1 (33:10):
They've been great, but he you know, it really shows
how much those guys have meant to the younger guys
in that room. And you know, to Paul's point, you
gotta stay patient, you gotta wait for your chance. And
here we are, second half of the season. He starts
it off with a bang and a huge play so uh,
and he's probably gonna get another chance in four days
here against the Jets.

Speaker 3 (33:27):
I can't imagine they would they would rush Booty back
four days later. But yeah, you could see it. You
could see the way that they've talked about Williams. You know,
in these in these days, when we get a chance
to talk to some of the receivers, when we get
a chance to talk to Todd Downing, there are plays
there and you can see that that it's close. And

(33:47):
now I think maybe this, maybe this is the start of,
you know, some consistent contributions. I'm not again, I think
I said in the pregame show, I'm not expecting eight
for one hundred. But I wonder, guys, it's one play here,
you know, like it's it's amazing, like how different Like
let's say that the guy for Tampa doesn't undercut the

(34:08):
route and just gives up the catch. You know, it's
one catch with twelve yards. You know, how much different
will you look at it? But the guy undercuts it,
misses it, he turns it up, and as Kyle said,
I had nothing but.

Speaker 1 (34:20):
That, you know, and it's you know, and to the
point I made in the pregame show, about born of
just you know, seeing some run after the catchabal seeing
a little burst with him, you know, a special play.
But I'd like to see more of that, more of
that speed and his ability just to make things happen
even though they're not. You know, Matt Drake is great
at throwing the ball down the field and making those
big plays.

Speaker 5 (34:40):
But I think if you can make some easier throws
that they take to the house, make things a little
easier on Drake.

Speaker 4 (34:46):
Alright, we I think we got through most of the bad.

Speaker 1 (34:48):
I think anything else, Paul, you want to talk about
them taking a knee on first down.

Speaker 3 (34:53):
There, No, don't do that.

Speaker 4 (34:55):
Don't let our guy out.

Speaker 1 (34:57):
But a lundry list of injuries, and I guess we'll
have to wait and see how it all. I mean,
I do think every well Jenning, Terrell Jennings did not return.

Speaker 3 (35:05):
Correct, Terrell Jennings did not return. I believe all of
the well, Marcus Jones, Marcus Jones returned, Barbara and Henderson
obviously returns announced as questionable, and Mapool returned.

Speaker 4 (35:17):
And Jalen Hawkins I was just dirting his eyes or
was it.

Speaker 3 (35:20):
I don't know, I don't know. I think he was
back out there. So the bar More is the one
that would be a little bit I would be a
little bit wondering about, because he came back in the
game for sure, and then later he was announced as questionable,
so I couldn't tell. I know, they were rotating a
lot of guys up front, Mike, you know, late in

(35:40):
that game. I think it was really humid down there.
I think I think they were really working hard at
They were working really hard at you know, trying to
keep guys as fresh as they could. So just stuff
to keep an eye on. Again, with another game coming
up on Thursday, three games in twelve days might be
takes a physical toll.

Speaker 4 (35:58):
Temperate temperature control is reigning there. It's hot, you know,
going back and.

Speaker 1 (36:03):
Forth, rable kneeling next, injured players holding hands.

Speaker 4 (36:09):
I don't need to see any more serious exactly like
look you see it right here on your screen. He's
only his hand, thankfully, hopefully.

Speaker 5 (36:17):
It's hopefully Barber's all right. I mean he's he's a
key piece. But you know, this is just the game.

Speaker 1 (36:25):
It's a game of attrition in the NFL, and and
the Patriots have been incredibly lucky with injuries and facing
a short week, you hope that none of these things
are too severe. Sometimes guys get back out there, they play,
and then tomorrow they really hits them. So with the
short week, I think all of these players, even though
some of them were returning to the game, we have
to probably keep an eye on all of them for sure.

Speaker 4 (36:44):
So we're getting a lot of your calls already. Let's
head out to Christian in La. Are you been, Christian?

Speaker 13 (36:51):
Hey, I've been. Actually i've been better. Pressure up and down?

Speaker 4 (36:55):
Oh no, yeah, I feel that too. Actually, yeah, I'm
glad it's even down hopefully.

Speaker 14 (37:00):
Well.

Speaker 13 (37:01):
I got to say that I do love Drake May's
footwork in the pocket. Some of the things that he's
been doing just magnificent. His boys and presidents in the pocket,
his decision making up and down. But he'll get better.
But I'm actually pretty angry at Josh McDaniel's play calling
in the second half of the last two games, and
it's getting to the point where we're providing games because

(37:21):
he just is not able to make it click in
the second second second half. I don't know what he
was doing with the runs at the times he was
doing it. And if Drake May's taking a bunch of hits.
It's because Josh was calling plays that give him downfill options.
We know Drake likes behold the ball and look down there.
You've got to take those options away from in the
second half when we're leading and we just need to

(37:42):
matriculate the ball down the field. Stop running into a
brick wall of Bata by three. I'm just really pissed
at his play calling. But what do you what do
you guys think about that?

Speaker 15 (37:52):
Take you off the air?

Speaker 3 (37:54):
Yeah, goad, they threw it thirty two times and ran
at twenty. I don't think they really I didn't think
they ran into a brick wall a lot. No, I mean,
I mean they did run into a brick wall. I
don't think that they tried to just pound it over
and over and over again. I thought they tried to
run and couldn't. Yeah, for the most part.

Speaker 1 (38:12):
No, I mean I get what he's saying, Like, you know,
it's just when the run's not going and it's second
down and ten and you see another tosser left.

Speaker 5 (38:18):
But I don't agree what you're saying.

Speaker 3 (38:20):
You know what it just was today. If the lack
of matriculating the ball down the field was for the
first time really since Week one. Drake may was was average,
you know, with his accuracy, he's sixteen to thirty one today,
it's hard to matriculate the ball down the field on
third and seven when you missed the guy now downfield
he's perfect to Mac Collins, you know, on the deep

(38:42):
ball in the fourth quarter. But that, to me, was
why you had a hard time stringing play together today.
Is because your quarterback was a little i mean early
in the game. He was all over the place, you know,
and they were making they made a big deal out
of the rain, which I don't think really had anything
to do with it. But he was a little high.
Did you think you was sailing a little bit early
in That's why you couldn't matriculate the ball down the field.

Speaker 1 (39:07):
And you know, I mean, and the other thing I'll
say is, just like.

Speaker 3 (39:14):
Team carries in this game, right, three of them resulted
in excellent runs. He had a sixteen yard run on
third and ten. In the two long touchdowns. Okay, so
let's just say for argument's sake, and this isn't true,
but I'll but for argument's sake, the other eleven were
all running into a brick wall. They weren't because, as
you said, Mike, they had plenty that went wide in
lost yard. But is that too many times eleven carries

(39:37):
in the middle like that?

Speaker 5 (39:39):
Is that running by?

Speaker 3 (39:40):
You can't just throw the ball every single play?

Speaker 1 (39:42):
Yeah, and and and and and Honestly, it seemed like
early out of right out of the gate, that they
kind of wanted to try to run Torell Jennings more
into the middle of the field. Looked like it was
to me setting up for maybe a game of more
of him and giving him not just Trayvon and then
break glass and emergency. But Jets, now you lose him
and now right, So, I mean, I think that's something
you have to acknowledge too when you're going to criticize
the play callings, Like there's not a deep bench, there's

(40:04):
not a lot of places to go.

Speaker 5 (40:06):
And yeah, you know when Travon Henderson run out the middle,
it is not his great thing. I mean, granted, you
know one of the times and.

Speaker 3 (40:10):
Christian, if we're still listening, you know, I know you
hung up, But like, I don't necessarily think I'm not
trying to sit here and tell you that I thought
Josh McDaniels man he was on it today. He was
die on it up he wasn't, And I think that's
because you played a team that's a little bit better
than the teams that you've been playing. They didn't. I
mean again, you're gonna look at numbers. They had four

(40:31):
hundred and thirty five yards today. I don't think this
This was, to me, not anywhere close to his effective
an offensive game is that what they've played over the
last say, six weeks. They made four really big plays
in this game. The seventy two yard touchdown Kyle Williams,
the two long runs for Travion Henderson, in the bomb

(40:51):
to MATC Collins for fifty four yards. Those four plays
were a bulk of your four hundred yards of offense.
But you know what those all count. And again it's
not like one play. It's four, four big plays. That
was enough today to win a game. But if you
were going to be forced to, you know, sort of
inch your way down the field, Tampa was gonna make

(41:14):
you make that awfully hard on you. And I think
you were really only able to do that once you
know that that last drive of the first half was
kind of that A lot of short throws that was
the time of the game where I thought May got
a little hot. You know, that was a let's see
fourteen play, seventy eight yard drive the last seven sixteen
to the first half. That was a lot of short throws.

(41:36):
That was the matriculating ball down the field drive. That's
the only time Tampa allowed you to do that today.
How many of those throws today where it looked like
May was stepping throwing and then someone would dive and
knock the ball away in front of Hunter Henry Like
that's sometimes the other team is pretty good and you know, Tampa,
Tampa's as good as you are. That's the difference today

(41:58):
and why that game went down to the like that,
it is because the other team was as good as
you were and not like Atlanta and Carolina in Cleveland
and Tennessee that teams that can't get out of their
own way. By the way, the Panthers lost to the
Saints today, the old Panthers.

Speaker 5 (42:12):
Yeah, everybody has a bad way. Hey, any given Sunday.

Speaker 1 (42:16):
Paul you know on Mayfield though, I you know, notoriously
trashed him when we saw him in twenty twenty one
right here for the Cleveland and you know, even when
we saw him then again in what twenty three with
the Panthers, and.

Speaker 3 (42:27):
That's one in front of Diggs even too, there's McCallum.

Speaker 1 (42:30):
Yeah, and I think, you know, Mayfield's a good player,
but I think still think he's a.

Speaker 5 (42:33):
Little bit sporadic at times, and there's just you know.

Speaker 1 (42:35):
There are something We saw some drops, we saw some
misses from him as well.

Speaker 3 (42:39):
But I was, you know, I didn't think he navigated
the pocket overly well today either.

Speaker 5 (42:43):
No, no, but you know, he wasn't bad.

Speaker 3 (42:46):
He didn't. I didn't think he played a bad game.
I mean twenty eight for forty three, two seventy three
and three touchdowns. I mean it's not it wasn't a
bad game. But like it's just a little inconsistent. We
just talked secon that would be again, like it's just uncanny.

Speaker 1 (42:57):
Six plays sixty five yards right out of the gate again,
I mean that should have been on the bad list.

Speaker 3 (43:01):
And then and then for the next but you know
the next two point punt, you know, and again it's
like third and three, third and two, like those those
are hard plays in the NFL because you got to
cover so much field and it's so easy to just throw,
you know, a quick, quick hitter or you get the
first down.

Speaker 5 (43:18):
Yeah, you had it exactly right, Paul. I mean it
was a third.

Speaker 1 (43:20):
I mean on the assuming three punts after that touchdown drive,
it was a third and seven, but then a third
and three, a third and two.

Speaker 5 (43:26):
Uh, you know, good, good job.

Speaker 3 (43:28):
I mean even a.

Speaker 1 (43:29):
Third and eleven they got off for the field goal.
But yeah, it's a I just I don't get it.
It's uncanny. Like I don't even like really stress about
it anymore when the other team comes out, just.

Speaker 3 (43:38):
Like, all right, I can't believe it mentally how much
I've I've done a complete one eighty from the last
couple of years. Where Like, had the Patriots thrown that
pick in the end zone last year and failed to
go up by two scores at the end of the game,
I would have said, that's game they lose.

Speaker 5 (43:58):
Now I didn't think that.

Speaker 11 (43:59):
I'm not.

Speaker 3 (44:00):
I thought the game was over, that they had nothing
to worry about. But I just felt like the Patriots
defense would find a way to come up with a stop,
because that's what's been happening. It is it is again.
I go off of what I see, not what I think.
You know, like Miami had that situation earlier in the year,
down six, driving right down the field. Patriots come up
with a stop when they needed it. Same thing happened today,

(44:22):
Same thing happened against Atlanta last week.

Speaker 4 (44:25):
You know, yeah, they're with the viewers.

Speaker 1 (44:27):
Well, I me, when we talk about identity, it's like
this team definitely has an identity. It's you know, and
it's for better or worse, like the good things the
bad things. There are things that happened consistently. But you know,
to Paul's point, now that you've watched whatever it is,
ten games of this team, you.

Speaker 5 (44:40):
Don't get his rattled or you know, like tough just
the bomb to Max stress. Third and fourteen, yeh, third
and fourteen getting killed that game is over the last
two years.

Speaker 1 (44:49):
The third and fourteen at the end of the game,
they are punting it back to the other team and
they're going right down the field of score. But you know,
to see Drake's ability, I mean we've seen it a
handful of times this year where it's like I got
to have it play and it's not just getting the
first down, it's going for a knockout blow down the field.

Speaker 5 (45:03):
And I just I love that aggressiveness.

Speaker 1 (45:05):
I mean, I'm sure there'll be plenty of conversation about
the levels of aggressiveness that Mike Fable and this team show.
And you know, knowing when to go gas and when
to go breaks, because sometimes I think you're a little uncertain,
you know, sometimes there's a fourth down and the like,
are they I don't know if they're gonna go Are
they going to go for it? You know, so that
might be a thing that you have to kind of
figure out exactly.

Speaker 5 (45:23):
But they're a tough team.

Speaker 1 (45:25):
They're a tough team and I would not rule them out,
you know, no matter what the situation is, whether it
comes down to needing a final score or needing a
final stop.

Speaker 5 (45:32):
They're the kind of team that is showing over the
course of the season they can do they can do
both well.

Speaker 4 (45:37):
We have some in Francisco in North Carolina.

Speaker 5 (45:40):
Oh here he comes. Let's go the.

Speaker 4 (45:41):
Man of the hour, Grancisco.

Speaker 3 (45:47):
We're here to give here your flowers. As the kids
like to say.

Speaker 5 (45:50):
Matt's got to send you a T shirt. I think
at least one.

Speaker 3 (45:52):
Yes, Francisco, refresh my memory. What was the first one
that you had? I know, last week it was Parker
Romo's going to miss an extra point. What was the
one before that that you nailed?

Speaker 7 (46:03):
It was travy On Henderson, the out perform quinch Sewn Jenkins.

Speaker 3 (46:06):
Oh yeah, okay, that one.

Speaker 5 (46:09):
We want to talk about that one.

Speaker 4 (46:10):
So what's your secret, Francisco?

Speaker 7 (46:14):
Honestly, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (46:16):
He's on a heater though. Get your DraftKings. We're not
allowed to do such, of course, but you should.

Speaker 16 (46:24):
I need to my brother.

Speaker 7 (46:26):
He told me that I came back, he said, he said,
the only thing that messed me up was the Browns game.
He had everything of great, I'll said, I said, next time,
I'll just all conjure something. I'll let you know.

Speaker 4 (46:37):
You're onto something that's awesome.

Speaker 1 (46:38):
Well, I don't know if you caught it, Francisco, but
we just talked to Kyle Williams on the show.

Speaker 5 (46:42):
Here we we shouted you out. So, uh so we'll
talk to him this week.

Speaker 4 (46:45):
He said, he does not know you.

Speaker 17 (46:47):
Just declare he didn't know you from the Cannap paint.

Speaker 7 (46:52):
Well, hopefully get to know me.

Speaker 5 (46:54):
Well, you keep making the predictions, I'm sure.

Speaker 7 (46:57):
Oh yeah, no problem, no problem, But yeah, a talk
I had to call in.

Speaker 4 (47:01):
Thank you, thanks for calling in.

Speaker 3 (47:02):
Well, I mean those are like I said to you
during the week. It's not like you're predicting like a
one yard touchdown plunge. For like, you're predicting things that
are way way out of the norm. And that's two
in a row. That were you know, the first woman's
kind of falls into that category of kind of what.
But a specific guy is going to miss an extra
point and a specific guy is going to have a

(47:24):
fifty plus yard touchdown catch. Those are not run of
the mill predictions. Hats off to you, my.

Speaker 4 (47:30):
Friend, play a lottery tonight.

Speaker 3 (47:32):
Play that Mega millions.

Speaker 7 (47:35):
Every time I wear that T shirt, you know, I'm
gonna feel special. But stay tum. When did they all
get you with something new?

Speaker 4 (47:40):
There you go, thank you.

Speaker 5 (47:43):
Make sure you get it first before.

Speaker 3 (47:44):
You Yeah, I know you never know, all right.

Speaker 4 (47:47):
Chris is in Tampa, Chris, Chris reat the game? Are
you sleeping after the game? Chris, you're tired of the game? Yes, okay,
that's ad to know.

Speaker 3 (48:00):
What the what the atmosphere was like, the good amount
of Patriots fans you could hear on like failed third
downs for Tampa. You could hear if you here, you know,
not quite like when Tampa was doing stuff. But you
could hear it. Absolutely could hear it.

Speaker 4 (48:13):
Sean and Vancouver, are you awake?

Speaker 3 (48:15):
Sure?

Speaker 16 (48:17):
Well I was at the game, so Mike, I have
thetake for you. The abster was incredible. It was so
amazing to see so many Patriots fans that I actually
came late back from the halftime and I heard this
crowd roar, and I figured, Patriots must have to turn
the ball over. I look up and it's twenty one,
twenty one point, Like, wow, we've got a touchdown. Fans

(48:40):
are just going crazy.

Speaker 4 (48:41):
Sean. It sounds like you were yelling at the game too,
huh oh, well yeah, yeah, we're yelling.

Speaker 5 (48:47):
Get some tea and having the time of his life.

Speaker 16 (48:51):
There you go, and you know, you get the Patriots
or eight and two and here for season and there's
the first is the other thing that's even crazier. They're
alone in first place because the Dolphins beat the Bill.
This is a great day in Florida.

Speaker 4 (49:10):
Correct, what a day football celebrate?

Speaker 8 (49:14):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (49:15):
Oh you think it? Into all right, Sean.

Speaker 4 (49:18):
Thanks Sean, go get some tea and some honey.

Speaker 16 (49:21):
I'm just walking back to my hotel.

Speaker 4 (49:23):
Oh yeah, stay safe, stay safe.

Speaker 3 (49:25):
No, I just meant like he looks you like, sounds
like you might have had hello something.

Speaker 5 (49:30):
I hope so celebration.

Speaker 3 (49:33):
It's linked.

Speaker 5 (49:38):
We got a No, it's interesting.

Speaker 1 (49:40):
I was just was taking a glance at some of
these other scores, Paul, looks like Houston and Houston pulled.

Speaker 4 (49:44):
One out late, and they pulled it out opposite day here.

Speaker 3 (49:49):
Jackson had another late game collapse that was like twenty
nine to thirteen or something like that, and they ended
up taking a thirty twenty nine lead in uh in
winning and I think they got a defensive score as
time expired the Jets.

Speaker 5 (50:04):
The Jets coming in here, rolling off of their second wins.

Speaker 3 (50:07):
Let the Jets get hot.

Speaker 5 (50:08):
Yeah, one for eighty.

Speaker 1 (50:11):
Three and justin fields six of eleven for fifty four yards,
touchdown an interception.

Speaker 3 (50:17):
So it should be inside for good fantasy quarterback, does it?

Speaker 11 (50:22):
No?

Speaker 1 (50:23):
Hey, they rallied though around the guys that are still
there and uh but big opportunity for the Patriots this
Thursday night to get that nine win.

Speaker 5 (50:32):
You know, lock up a winning season.

Speaker 1 (50:35):
But I think this team should continue to just try
to fix the mistakes, try to fix the.

Speaker 5 (50:39):
Little things, you know, I just as good as this
game win.

Speaker 1 (50:43):
Was, I think there's still you know, you're starting to
see some clunkiness and you know, and I think some
of that's due to some of the injuries, especially with Vermandre.
It'd be great to see him back. I don't think
we'll see him back Thursday night. That's probably asking a lot,
but you know, kind of what we were just talking about,
they seem like a team who kind of understands how
to win a little bit, and now that can change quickly.

(51:04):
I mean, it only takes a couple of plays, but
making the plays when they have to, it's pretty impressive.

Speaker 4 (51:08):
Yeah, we don't want to belabor the bads every week,
but it's to your point. You want a championship contendering team,
you want to build upon.

Speaker 5 (51:15):
Yeah, and that's just what I hope people understand.

Speaker 1 (51:16):
We had to like kind of disclaim when we were
kind of picking Drake's game apart this week, and you know,
but that's like, look, it's no longer about like, hey,
you won your fourth game of the year and that
isn't this amazing.

Speaker 5 (51:26):
It's you know, look at this team.

Speaker 1 (51:28):
We want them to make noise in the playoffs, not
just be a playoff team, and so you start to.

Speaker 5 (51:32):
Raise the bar a little bit and hold to a
higher standard.

Speaker 1 (51:34):
And you know, I just I just think cleaning up
some of the hits on Drake, whether that's you know,
on him, I don't really blame too much on the
offensive line, but that's the only thing that really truly
scares me is getting him hurt or banged up in
a way that you know it's gonna completely change the
course of the season. But you know, even if this
is exactly the team that goes into the playoffs, you

(51:55):
know they're gonna be fun to watch.

Speaker 5 (51:57):
They're gonna make some noise.

Speaker 9 (51:58):
You know.

Speaker 1 (51:59):
I don't want to say does nobody wants to play,
but you know it's just their team that that you
know is is going to be a pain in the button,
especially with quarterbacks like that who can throw the ball
down the field, and you know, a defense that tends
to make plays when they have to.

Speaker 4 (52:11):
Find a way attend to Savannah Jason, How Savannah?

Speaker 15 (52:17):
Hey everybody, Hello, Jason, I got a couple of questions
for you, and I want your opinions on them. So,
first of all, who else here things? Francisco's Trin traveler.

Speaker 4 (52:31):
Absolutely, Yeah, he knows too much.

Speaker 18 (52:33):
Third predictions, keep them mar good side.

Speaker 15 (52:37):
The more serious question when we have quarterbacks like Josh Allen,
Patrick Mahons, and Drake May in this case, who all
are like MVP candidates people talking about I've seen a
lot of haters in the YouTube comments about like, oh it,
Drake May can't be a MVP if.

Speaker 8 (52:54):
He's playing like this.

Speaker 15 (52:55):
And granted Atlanta this game wasn't his best games, but
I want your guys opinion. Do you think he's still
relatively you know, top two or three in the running
on MVP conversations And I'll take it off air. I
appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (53:09):
Yeah, I think he's in the I mean, let's just
call it top five for a round number. He's in
the mix. I mean to me, I don't if you
guys feel different, right.

Speaker 1 (53:18):
You know, I mean, honestly, two or three sounded a
little a wee bit high to me at this particular moment.
But everything, everybody's got ebbs and flows in their seats.

Speaker 3 (53:27):
Just went down to Miami and and you know, and
they lost, and that's you know, one of the guys
you would have put, you know, based on the way
he was playing, you know, at the higher end of
the list. I mean, I watched Jonathan Taylor going rush
for you know, well over two hundred today and put
a team you know, on his back a little bit
and in overtime, and you know, does a running back

(53:49):
really I don't know, Like, yeah, he's gonna end up
with a lot of touchdowns for a running back to
win it. It's like Sean, Alexander Ladany and Tomlinson. It's
like an absurd of touchdowns, but he's going to end
up with an absurd amount of touchdowns. Yeah, like mid twenties. Yeah,
kind of absurd.

Speaker 4 (54:06):
It is slightly getting ahead of ourselves. But what more
do you want to see from Drake to differentiate himself from.

Speaker 1 (54:13):
Just a little bit more sixty minute consistency and a
cup back on the you know, critical turnovers just you know,
and look, turnovers are going to happen. It's just sometimes
I think with Drake when they're happening is like you
didn't need to force that. You know, you take the
three points right here, you know, like.

Speaker 5 (54:27):
Those hard to those are the moments.

Speaker 3 (54:29):
It's hard to imagine what he was thinking on that
pick in the end zone today and I thought there
were a couple of times, like I said, kuld just
throw it away, just throw it away. Okay, the good job,
just that's not throwing it away, you know. So yeah,
just a little more consistency. But I mean it's the
tools are immense. You can see you can see the
skill set. Yeah, on a week to week basis.

Speaker 1 (54:51):
Stack of the point, like I did feel like he
got back to some of the good pocket stuff that
I liked. It felt, you know a little bit like
he's not dropping his head looking at.

Speaker 5 (54:59):
The rush, staying in there.

Speaker 1 (55:00):
And you know, but look again, like this not even
his first full year. I mean, they know, it's like
he's he's a young kid. There's gonna be ups and downs,
and you know, it's like I said, it's hard to
take a snapshot right now when you feel like he's
been fine the last two games. I wouldn't even say
he played bad, but you know, he's been fine. He is,
but I wouldn't say last two games. He's been an
MVP candidate in those games. But he could bounce back

(55:20):
Thursday night against the Jets and tear them apart and
so right back.

Speaker 3 (55:24):
And it's funny because I don't think that this was
a bad game for him. I don't think it was
a great game for him. But like if he like
rolls out on that third down and throws a touchdown
instead of a pick, that like that's a much better game. Yeah,
you know, that's a huge mistake. That's probably the.

Speaker 5 (55:40):
Biggest nail in the coffin.

Speaker 3 (55:42):
The biggest black mark on his performance today was that pick.
You know, he had a chance to make a two
score game at the very least make it an eight
point game, so you can't lose in regulation and you
can't can't throw that pick. And I mean, these are
these are the kinds of situations though, that you got
to go through, and in order to improve your decision making,

(56:03):
you need to be in those situations where it's trial
and error. And I think he's still learning, Mike. I
still think he sort of gets underestimates the speed of
the guys chasing him at times.

Speaker 5 (56:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (56:14):
Yeah, it was like it he just seems like he's
cocky and everybody, but you know it's I guess what
it was just one that one turnover is the only
turnover in the game, is that interception, So you know
it's it's two weeks in a row.

Speaker 5 (56:25):
They've lost the turnover battle.

Speaker 1 (56:27):
You know, they haven't forced the takeaway in the last
two games, but they still won those two games. So
I think that, you know, speaks a little bit too.
They're overcoming. You know, there's plenty of stats out there
when they lose the turnover battle and they're all in,
you know, all those kind of things. So they're they're
still finding ways to win, and you just you want
them to win the turnover battle and you know, to

(56:47):
be able to come out of the gate on defense
and you know, play well right out of the gate
and force a punt. And so you know, there's little
details that we're pointing out with this team, but the fact.

Speaker 5 (56:55):
Of the matter is they won seven games.

Speaker 3 (56:57):
I I understand it with how mentally tough they are,
and that was always, to me, the most impressive element,
especially the first iteration of the dynasty, was just how
tough they were and they were almost never gonna beat themselves.
And this team does not beat itself. They are tough

(57:17):
when they need to be tough, and they make place
and that's a good sign going forward for you know,
with so many guys, that so many young guys playing
key roles right now, they're only going to get better. Yeah.

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Speaker 4 (01:04:36):
Welcome back into the Patriots Postgame Show. We have a
full house. Finally, Matt Smith is here, Paparillo, Mike Dus,
I'm Kwantie Lunis and Matt. You come bearing usually the
sound the postgame sound. What's the feel in Tampa?

Speaker 9 (01:04:49):
I want to check on the feeling here. How's it
feeling here? The feel is high?

Speaker 5 (01:04:53):
Yeah, how do we feel? We feel really good.

Speaker 1 (01:04:55):
Although you know, people are already you know, criticizing me
for being too negative.

Speaker 5 (01:04:59):
Oh my goodness, but that's fine. Uh, how would you know?

Speaker 3 (01:05:02):
What are you doing on the I did.

Speaker 5 (01:05:04):
The mistake I on Twitter for the first don't.

Speaker 4 (01:05:06):
Look at the comments ever.

Speaker 9 (01:05:11):
Never we're being honest Mike about the fact that they
kind of escaped a little bit.

Speaker 5 (01:05:15):
Well, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:05:15):
I did the coach the head coach get up and
just say what a great win. This was the greatest
win of the season and we're super But.

Speaker 9 (01:05:20):
I don't think he would say that anyway, you know,
but I think he was. There's a lot of I've
seen a lot of noise on the inner web about
NFC South Champs. I think he was calling them interesting Atlanta, New.

Speaker 5 (01:05:36):
Orleans, Oh wow, they swept. Then, I think the n
C that's.

Speaker 9 (01:05:45):
Hang it to the rapt in the hallway.

Speaker 5 (01:05:47):
It's funny, that's funny.

Speaker 3 (01:05:50):
That's a that's a cringe comment. Yeah, that's a Belichick
white comment.

Speaker 5 (01:05:54):
In the hallway.

Speaker 9 (01:05:55):
I think he was there's some people in the inner
web that was saying that. But let's speak of the coach.
Let's listen to what the coach had to say after
their big win in Tampa today.

Speaker 4 (01:06:06):
Please, all right, until we get to this out, let's
talk about what you thought about the game, since we
don't get to hear your opinions.

Speaker 9 (01:06:15):
Off there's a pretty gutsy win.

Speaker 18 (01:06:17):
You know.

Speaker 9 (01:06:17):
I don't think they played very well. They played tough,
the only one they played tough, definitely. And I think
when you hear people like is a guy like Explain
who says this each and every week, I think he
says it because we just could be so much better.
I know, I know our best football is out there.
He's right, like, they can do a lot better. You

(01:06:41):
I think, you.

Speaker 3 (01:06:41):
Know, I don't. I think they're so tough and they
get by with their grittiness. This was a huge I
think this was a huge win. You know, Kwannie and
I opened the show today because Mike was in the
think tank, you know, finishing up his writing. And every time,
and this is like four or five different times, there

(01:07:02):
are situations where the game is hanging. They're unbeaten in those,
Like when the game is on the line and play
one play is going to decide which direction this game
is going to go. They make it every single time.
I don't think you can play better than that. It's
fourth and three, we need to stop, and here comes
calevon Chase on to make sure that you're not converting

(01:07:24):
on fourth and three. The third and three before that,
here comes Craig Woodson and Christian Gonzales to sandwich Kate
Oughten and knock the ball free. That ball is completed,
you're probably going to lose. But it doesn't get completed.
In Miami, same thing. Here comes Milton Williams with a
sack to make sure that that drive ends against Atlanta
last week, Yeah, they got to break when they snap

(01:07:46):
the ball. But then it's third and twenty and they
force an incomplete pass and they make sure that they
force the punt at the end of the game. They're
unbeaten in those games that with the play is on
the line, you give up a play and you have
a good chance to lose. You make the play, you
have a good chance to win. They make it every
single time. So not to can't play better than that.

Speaker 9 (01:08:05):
Right, So not to predict things, Paul, But does that
give you confidence looking ahead that they're battle tested?

Speaker 11 (01:08:10):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:08:11):
It does. Something like That's what I said last year,
the year before. If Drake Maye throws that pick in
the end zone, I say the game's over. They lost.
I don't say that now. It started with that Miami game,
you know, when they had to kick the field go
to make it six. I didn't have much faith that
they were going to get a stop that day because they.

Speaker 5 (01:08:32):
Hadn't done it before.

Speaker 3 (01:08:32):
They never do it right, all right, how they do
it every time?

Speaker 4 (01:08:35):
That's true. Okay, that being said, now let's head to
see what coach Mike Frabele had to say after the.

Speaker 22 (01:08:41):
Game A little closer when it would be difficult coming
down here. But two explosive plays and then you know,
I think really Connell's play early. You know, we really
needed that one. That was the one that we were
talking about just needing one play and he hit and
was great to see him have that success. I mean,
that's that's why I love coaching them, is that they

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fight and they compete. It's not always perfect. It's never
gonna be perfect, but I but I love the way
that they compete. You know, you're gonna have some time
that you know when if you strike out, you got
to go to the dugout and be pissed for a
couple of seconds and then you know, you got to
go play the rest of the game. So we tell them,
you know, take take thirty seconds be pissed, but we
got to go play. And uh it was a long game.

(01:09:25):
It's a tough place to play. It was it was warm,
and they're and they're good. Well, and we're gonna need
everybody throughout this season. We're gonna need everybody. Uh As
this thing goes on. With kay Sean being out, it
was an opportunity for Kyle. With Remandre being out led
more opportunities for a Trevion. They battled through. I met

(01:09:46):
I got wore out running out there to see how
our guys were doing. Uh As many times as I did.
But I'm proud of the guys that that battled and
competed and laid it on the line.

Speaker 11 (01:09:56):
It was a huge, huge play for us on four.

Speaker 22 (01:10:00):
It down got confidence in our guys and so to
be able to to have confidence in them at that
moment and then come through, that's about players and not
necessarily play. So I was really excited and proud of
Steph and Drake for for scoring when we were and
being able to end the half with the football in
our hands.

Speaker 9 (01:10:21):
So Mike mentions Kyle Williams, and I want to give
the proper shout out to the pregame show crew here
for pointing out this is an opportunity for Kyle Williams.
Good job by ladies and gentlemen to talk about that.
That's a that was a good one.

Speaker 7 (01:10:34):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:10:35):
I got to give all the credits to Francisco predict touchdown.
I got to give all the credits to the guy
and that's what he called in during the week, and
we talked about that in the pregame show because of that. Yeah,
but yeah, I mean it's you know, the guy's out,
he's the guy who replaces the guy who's out. He's
going to get a chance. He got two chances and

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made a big play, two targets, one catch, seventy two
yards in a touchdown. Like that's being ready, being ready.

Speaker 9 (01:11:03):
So that was a coach and speaking of being ready,
Somewhere buried in this mix of players that went to
the podium today and talked is Kyle Williams. You'll hear
from him, but he kicks off with the quarterback, Drake
may Man.

Speaker 10 (01:11:14):
It's greaty, No, just so proud of the team. Just
every week we're fighting, some things aren't going our way.
We're handling university battle, university defensive stepping up. You know
what a what a uh just what a complete game.
That's what we said all week. So for sixty minutes,
it was a good football team. We know if we
got up, they're gonna come back, and they came marching back.
And I was proud of the guys for standing up

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official defense with a big stop, and man's proud of
the team.

Speaker 14 (01:11:39):
We're a hungry team. We're a young team. We're a
hungry team. We're a team with the guy with a
lot of chip on their shoulders. We still feel like
we have so much left to prove we have yet
to play our best football game as a team, as
a defense. And every week that's why we were prepared.
We go out there every week trying to play our
best game, trying to put the best four quarters of
the team defense and where you have to get there.

(01:12:01):
So we're just that taste in our mouth keeps us
coming back for more.

Speaker 12 (01:12:05):
I have my routine set and I just stay true
to it. You know, I don't just because I'm not
getting this many plays of this week, I got ten plays.
I'm not gonna shy away from that routine. You know,
I'm gonna stay on it because at some point I'm
gonna be needed and they're gonna depend on me, and
I gotta be ready.

Speaker 8 (01:12:18):
So and I was ready this week.

Speaker 10 (01:12:19):
You get it, Get on the plane. We'll probably watch
some tape of of New York. You gotta flip the
next page. It's it's quick turnaround. We got one at home, though,
so looking forward to playing with our fans. Our fans
were great out there today. It was cool. I feel
like our whole side was was Patriots fans, So that
was pretty cool.

Speaker 23 (01:12:32):
You know, I was kind of confused, uh, but you know,
I tried to make sure to check with the coaches
real quick to see, you know, what they wanted me
to do. But I knew I had the guys running
behind me as well, so I had to make a
decision in like two seconds and so, but you know it,
it ended up happening.

Speaker 3 (01:12:46):
You know, I end up getting in the zone.

Speaker 11 (01:12:48):
At the end of the day, we came up with
the win.

Speaker 9 (01:12:50):
So I assume you guys, Gallus thought he made the
right play, like the quizicalicks.

Speaker 3 (01:13:00):
The right play, but if you don't recover the on
side kick and you lose the game, right right, And
why he was looking, that's I mean, he's he's clearly
looking for direction.

Speaker 9 (01:13:10):
And he said the same thing happened to him last
year in a game against in a game when he
was playing for Ohio State, that he was going in
and he sat down. So that's why he wanted to
make sure.

Speaker 3 (01:13:19):
Ye I don't think anybody would ever criticize a kid
right here for just saying, Okay, this is going to
give us a two score lead, I'm going to put
the game away. But there's a there's a decision to
be made. I'm not necessarily saying this is the wrong one.
But he's clearly looking and they're probably waving. I don't
know if he was able to pick him up, you know,

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pick picked him up, and they were telling him to
go in. But if you go down, the game is over.
If you score, the game is extended.

Speaker 9 (01:13:49):
And as I thought, which I'm sure the three of
you said, go in. As the announcer said during the game,
Diggs caught five balls today. He took the biggest on
the last catch.

Speaker 4 (01:14:01):
Brilliant.

Speaker 3 (01:14:03):
So just again, I like to be it's not a
result based thing, like you can say what was the
right move? They end up winning the game by five? Well, no,
like if you don't get the on side kick. I
think people are looking at it a little bit different, right,
you know. I think the one that deserves a little more.

(01:14:29):
I guess discussion I'm not willing to do because I'm
not going to spend the next week getting criticized by
Patriots fans who are going to be butt hurt. But
to openly not try to score in the first half
of the game on first down, to me is a
reckless decision. But I'm like it worked. They scored on
fourth down, no harm, no foul. I'm not going to

(01:14:51):
get into one argument about it because I know how
this is going to end. I'm going to be the bat.
You know, Mike, you're saying that people are saying you'll
be a negative. I'm not being accused of be a negative.
And instead of in game winning streak with an eight
and two record, especially after that win that was a
big boy win.

Speaker 9 (01:15:04):
And then I want to bring up one of the
things that young Perillo has been mentioned. So young and Chris,
if you had put up the shot at Drake May,
please after the game, and I want you to check
Drake May's right shoulder. Now, I'm not saying that there's
anything that like this is an indicative of it. He's
got some awis and scrapes on his right left shoulder.
Excuse me, But as I think we all viewed today,

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you know, six sacts the last two weeks. No, he
didn't take six sacks a day. So I think the
offensive line is a little bit of did a better job.
I think, really tough found and you know, it's a
it's a league where it's a war of attrition every
single week, and you know he got drilled on the
sideline when there was a lot of people looking for
flag on that play. You know, did they hit him

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in the helmet?

Speaker 14 (01:15:52):
Was?

Speaker 9 (01:15:52):
He was not out of bounds, so it was safe
as far as that's concerned. But I think I saw
some chatter saying, did they get him close to the
hedge they flagged him for, you know, hitting him in
the head, you know, but.

Speaker 3 (01:16:04):
He got popped. I wonder if that's what people are
being on you for, Mike, because you made the comment
that like he needs to sort of just get out
of bounds, like he does a little wash. Yeah, that's
what he said.

Speaker 9 (01:16:17):
The calls tother way, like blow to the head, No way, Okay,
he's a lot less than that been called before, Paul.

Speaker 3 (01:16:24):
Not that far and bound.

Speaker 4 (01:16:25):
That might be where he got the shoulder.

Speaker 9 (01:16:27):
No, I'm talking about hitting the head.

Speaker 3 (01:16:28):
He doesn't hit him in the head. That call, that's
total shoulder. That's exactly what Christian Gonzales and Craig Woodson
did to Kate Auten, two great textbook shoulder hits.

Speaker 4 (01:16:39):
It's not a shoulder, but his head just happens to wabble.

Speaker 3 (01:16:43):
The contact is with the shoulder. Chris Head, that's not
a headshot. I'm sorry if that if that call goes
against the Patriots. You guys are losing your minds losing
your mind. Hits a shoulder. He hits him in the
shoulder with the shoulder and then.

Speaker 5 (01:16:59):
The head head.

Speaker 9 (01:17:00):
Afterwards, Nian says he picked up the flag. They didn't
throw a flag. They did throw one flag on the play,
and then they threw.

Speaker 3 (01:17:08):
Another flag with the hat because the same guy throws
the flag and he has to use his hat on
the second one. I listen this football. I I agree
with Mike. I think you just got to get out
of bounce. And he doesn't do it often enough and
fast enough, like, just get out. It's going to be
right there. Chris just shows. So that guy throws the

(01:17:30):
flag and then he throws his hat, which is because
he doesn't have a flag anymore because he already threw
one another. I thought, good job by the officials in
this game. By the way, it's two weeks in a
row that the officials did not get involved in the
did a nice job. I have no idea who that is.
That's if that's the referee, I'll take the work. That's Kwannie.

(01:17:50):
I agree. I don't need to know who. I don't
need to the fact that I know who calls what
and what the reputation is is wrong. You shouldn't. You
shouldn't have a reputation for anything if you're officiating games.
Oh Jesus, rough game, guys, Marcus Mariota just got killed. Yeah.
I just the toughness the Patriots show on a week

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to week basis to me is what really stands out
when games are on the line. They're almost perfect when
they have to be. They make place.

Speaker 9 (01:18:20):
I love it, and I know, as you guys talked
about on All Access this week, Paul, you are seeing
the accumulation of ten weeks.

Speaker 3 (01:18:26):
We all know.

Speaker 9 (01:18:27):
About Booty, we all know about Stevenson, we all know
about Ellis. You know Barboer goes down for a little bit,
comes back, Henderson goes down for a little bit, comes back, Jennings.

Speaker 5 (01:18:35):
Who's year? What running back for? This is the rest
of the game. Who else got dinged today?

Speaker 24 (01:18:43):
You know?

Speaker 3 (01:18:48):
Right?

Speaker 5 (01:18:49):
So it's like.

Speaker 11 (01:18:51):
They will be.

Speaker 9 (01:18:52):
They will be racing to the exit signs, I would think,
especially if they can get out of Thursday with the win,
because you know, every team could do to break at
this point in time. I'm not putting the Patriots above
anybody else. But if they can get out of Thursday
with a win after eleven games and get some time off,
that would do them a lot of good.

Speaker 3 (01:19:11):
Agree.

Speaker 4 (01:19:11):
All right, let's take it back out to the phone lines.
We have Dan and daytona b bless you, Matt, Dan,
Yes here, yeah, Dan.

Speaker 25 (01:19:23):
Okay, hey, uh but it was it was an amazing game.
I got to watch in one of my buddies. I'm here.
I'm actually originally from Tampa, Florida. I'm a regular color
color all the time given Michael hard time. Uh yeah no,
but I'm a long time patrieman.

Speaker 10 (01:19:39):
But it was.

Speaker 25 (01:19:39):
It was a great game. I was doing. I'll say
three things that I liked.

Speaker 10 (01:19:43):
I love.

Speaker 25 (01:19:44):
They finally got Mac Collins more involved. That was awesome.
Mac Collins, you know, using his tall frame.

Speaker 10 (01:19:50):
That was great.

Speaker 25 (01:19:51):
And man, I don't know, I was this interesting guy.
I mean he was irrelevant. I mean, he didn't seem
like he was seeing the offense season longer. It looks
like he looks like a like he was from Ohio State.

Speaker 13 (01:20:04):
I don't know if this is the.

Speaker 25 (01:20:04):
Same guy or they just cloned this guy from Ohio State.
He just it looks totally different. He doesn't look like
the same guy you know that we saw all season.
But if he keeps that of then damn. They need
to play this kid more and keep developing. And then
the other part, the bonehead moved by Drake. Drake almost
had two picks today. The pick that he had in

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the end zone was ridiculous. And then Mike's face if
you saw I don't know if you all saw Mike's face. Uh,
right after that play when Drake threw the interception that
was it was such a bonehead and egregious play by Drake.
He did good in this game, but he's got to
cut down on those bone heads. I mean those are
throws that you see Trevor Lawrence making all the time.

Speaker 18 (01:20:45):
I mean, he's ridiculous hair flip.

Speaker 1 (01:20:59):
Uh yeah, I mean that's you know, look, that's that's
where we're at. You know, we want this team to
make some noise in the playoffs. We want to connect
correct the mistakes. And it's been impressive how they're winning
these games, and there's a ton to be excited about.

Speaker 5 (01:21:11):
But you know, this is what we do.

Speaker 1 (01:21:12):
We have to talk about this for twenty hours a
week or whatever it is, and you know, we break
down what the nuances and where they need to improve.
But you know, right now, it seems just it seems
like a football team. Maybe that's the simplest way to
put it. And it felt like that was kind of
what was coming together. Not perfect team, but they're playing together.

Speaker 3 (01:21:29):
And pretty balanced team too. Like the offense does it
and then they, you know, go through some struggles and
the defense does it for a little while and you know,
you know, they get off to a bad start, but
then they lock it down while the offense gets its footing,
you know, so it's been pretty balanced. Yeah. Wow, I
sort of. And I understand why the play what the
players are talking about, because players are never going to

(01:21:50):
be satisfied, and I like that they shouldn't be correct.
But I think you're maximizing what they have to offer
right now being eight and two.

Speaker 9 (01:21:58):
And Mike, I think to your point, they're closeness shows
shows up. You know, I think they've got each other's
back might now is that easier to do when you're
eight and two? As a most to and eight?

Speaker 1 (01:22:07):
It feeds upon itself, right, And that's the thing that
you know, you just every football season, and I talked
about it one hundred times how it goes when it's bad.
But you know, take a guy like Kyle Williams today,
who know was you know, had one catch, but it
was a huge catch and now he feels a little
rewarded and he's going to go into practice in a
couple of days with some renewed energy and maybe that
helps him, you know, carry that over in a Thursday.
So it's just, you know, it's just one of those

(01:22:29):
things where you feel picking up momentum and each win
and adding and you know to that in that respect,
like is there something to say with it's kind.

Speaker 5 (01:22:37):
Of a sporadic schedule the next four weeks.

Speaker 1 (01:22:39):
It's you know, a Thursday night game, then a Sunday game,
then a Monday game, then an off week.

Speaker 5 (01:22:43):
You know, it's not that you're going to get out
of that routine a little bit.

Speaker 1 (01:22:47):
So I think it's something the coaching staff needs to be,
you know, cognizant of, is you know, how do we
keep the momentum kind of going without All Right, you're
probably going to get next weekend three day weekend, probably
like a Friday. I mean, I don't know what the
players are going to do, but you know, no practice
back in and then buy all that stuff. So it's
just hopefully they can stay mentally tough through some of
the challenges of the schedule changing a little bit, which

(01:23:08):
doesn't sound like a big deal, but I think when
you're in it, I think it's a good point. The
routine you're in, it's there's some comfort to it, and
you know, we feel it. We're auxiliary to the team,
but we still base our schedule off of their schedule,
and you know, I feel it when it's like, oh
my god, we're not what's going on today? Well, you know,
the bye weeks and stuff. It's always strange. So hopefully
they're able to manage out a little bit.

Speaker 9 (01:23:27):
One other thing that Dan said that I just wanted
to jump on.

Speaker 5 (01:23:29):
I don't know how you guys talked about it.

Speaker 9 (01:23:30):
I'm a big Matt Collins and I think it's really
curious how he Why did he bounce around to so
many different teams? You know what? Like why why is
that he's willing to go in and do the dirty
work in the run game. He's willing to, you know,
and he's not perfect as far as that's concerned. He's
hift a couple of times, but he's willing which I
think is helpful. Like you saw his speed and his
separation on the long play or something like that. He's

(01:23:52):
available over the middle to get some of those you know,
just move the chains along on third and seven, he'll
give you eight or nine. He's he he's certainly in
the contention for the most interesting cat on this team. Absolutely,
And I think he's a productive player as well, a
really productive player.

Speaker 3 (01:24:07):
So I talked to some people before the season because
his reputation is great locker room guy, great leader, blah
blah blah. And we've seen that. We saw it with
Miami a few years ago, we saw it with Buffalo
last year, and we saw it. We've seen it now
through through ten weeks. So I asked two people, you

(01:24:29):
know why, it's like, why does he keep I think
it's like six teams in six years or something like that,
Why does he keep moving around so much? And the
answer I got was what he basically brings is all
the stuff that we're talking about, and he's but he's
content to be like so he is sort of that

(01:24:50):
complimentary fourth guy, and teams don't necessarily want to pay
for that. Yeah, it's like he's all the teams that
he's been on. I guess Buffalo made a good push
to try to keep him, but they ultimately weren't able
to do it. And teams look at that as like
that intangible is not necessarily something they want to invest

(01:25:12):
a lot in, so he kind of keeps just running
around on one year deals. I would look at it
like Buffalo right now, I bet you, I bet you that.
I bet you they they miss I bet you Josh
Allen misses him because I think he was a very
reliable guy for them. Like do you think they that.

Speaker 9 (01:25:28):
These teams are always there's a shinier looking toy out there. Yeah,
he can be our third, maybe our third, but our
fourth receiver. But look at this guy and look at
his speed, you know, look at his time in the forty.

Speaker 3 (01:25:38):
Buffalo doesn't have that. That's why I know Buffalo wanted
him back. They lost him for him, they didn't really
replace They didn't replace him. I think it was more
of a sort of just a money thing. And you know,
you know, I'm always critical of these guys. They got
the money, spend it, like you're in a window where
you can win a title. Spend the money. You know,
it's dumb. It's dumb with what some of these teams do.

(01:25:59):
What I think Buffalo misses him. I think he was
a valuable guy for them last year. Not a game breaker,
but a guy who's going to do exactly what he's
done for the Patriots Off the field.

Speaker 4 (01:26:09):
My Instagram has been targeting me with his videos where
he gives you tips like life hacks, cleaning, yeah, the
macat Yeah. So Instagram has been pushing him heavy on
the feeds as well. I mean, he brings a lot
to the table.

Speaker 9 (01:26:22):
He's an interesting dude, very interesting.

Speaker 4 (01:26:24):
It likes to walk around barefoot. Yeah, a lot of weird,
quirky tips.

Speaker 1 (01:26:28):
Six I mean, twenty six catches this year. I mean
it's you know, he's he's I mean, he's gonna have
one of the I mean, he's probably not going to
top the fifty seven catches he had with Josh McDaniels.
But he's up to twenty six this season, which is
already is you know, third best season. Last year he
had thirty one with Buffalo, So you know he's I mean,
he's contributing. He's you know, and I just we spoke
with him last week. We interviewed him here, and you know,

(01:26:49):
talk about the just the funny relationship he's developed with
Ethon Chisholm, Like they just got like this, like you know,
a little strange buddy, you know, growing friendship that they
push each other and stuff. And I mean he, like
I said, when we ask Kyle, he's been a big
part of changing that room and just changing the dynamic
and giving it two veteran voices who you know, go
about it the right way. I think that's another thing
with Mac Collins, of putting the work in knowing what

(01:27:11):
it takes.

Speaker 5 (01:27:12):
To be a professional, and I think that's a lot
of what that room needed.

Speaker 9 (01:27:15):
I know, you're the draft guy, Mike, and I'm not
am I dumb for not knowing that Kyle Williams could
run away from people, because he ran away after that,
Like yeah, I didn't know he had that kind of juice.
That was the most impressive. I mean, that were a
sick throw by May, but he just turned on the
afterburners on that. If if he's a home run hitter

(01:27:37):
and thirty two is a home run hitter, that brings
a dimension to them, that brings a dimension to them
that this team hasn't had in a while.

Speaker 3 (01:27:44):
You know, if I were just to give a little
advice to Todd Bowles, I probably have Jamel Dean in
the game. Not really used, not really used to rotate,
They're not really used regular season games. It's time to
get everybody their varsity letter. The guy under cuts the
relt there's nobody there, Like it's just pathetic like defense
on that play. Yeah, and this was like he took

(01:28:08):
more hits in this game than he took in yes,
the six SAC games.

Speaker 9 (01:28:11):
More clean hit, I mean more hits period.

Speaker 3 (01:28:13):
And again I don't really you know, I'm not a
big AT and T guy, and I know that the
next Gen stats will probably tell you that they didn't
have any hits to like he got walloped time after
time today. That if there's a concern, that's it, because
I don't know what this team would look like without him.

Speaker 1 (01:28:32):
Yeah, if you if you want any quarterback pressure numbers,
qurting Thatch and stats, Will Campbell gave up seven pressures,
Garrett Brebery five, and Jared Wilson three. Everybody else had one,
So where accurting next Gen the pressure was coming from.

Speaker 3 (01:28:49):
Yeah, and when you look at it as only one
sack as opposed to six, I don't think there was
that much of a difference. I did think that the
pass protection was better today early in the game. It
deteriorated as the game went along and he took some
He took some big hits in the fourth quarter. Now
some of them, some of them like the Mac Collins
deep throw. He took the hit and made the throw.

(01:29:09):
Now there was a couple that they hit affected the
throw before that too, So got to keep him healthy.

Speaker 1 (01:29:15):
Yeah, he felt like there, you know, And that's I
think you said it, Paul, Like late in the second quarter,
it felt like he started to get a little bit
of that rhythm where that was the.

Speaker 3 (01:29:22):
One drive, the fourteen drive, that was really the only
drive they had in the game.

Speaker 1 (01:29:26):
And that's like, that's the thing to me that's so
exciting about Drake may is just that you're starting to
get a sense of, Oh, Drake's Drakes.

Speaker 5 (01:29:33):
He's heated up right now, He's locked in, you can
tell it, kid.

Speaker 1 (01:29:37):
He all of a sudden finds a rhythm and he
becomes very very hard to stop. I just would love
to see continued progress towards the game where he just
doesn't have to do too much. You know, he's getting
the ball, it's out. He's not getting hits, you know,
it's it's just beating teams more with his mind and
then when he has to scramble or he has to
use his body, then that's just the punishment that's waiting

(01:29:58):
for them for leaving, you know, a lane open for
him to escape. But I just I don't know how
we can't all agree that it's not sustainable to continue
to allow him to take hits.

Speaker 5 (01:30:07):
No matter what the answer is, the biggest priority for
this team should be to.

Speaker 1 (01:30:11):
Keep Drake May upright and safe and healthy, you know,
on him on the offensive line, decision making, all that stuff.

Speaker 5 (01:30:17):
That that that to me is just that's it. That's it.
If you get to the playoffs, I don't care what
else happens.

Speaker 1 (01:30:23):
If he's healthy, you know, you're gonna have probably a
punchish chance against anybody.

Speaker 4 (01:30:27):
You can't do any of it without him. All r
Let's head back to the phone lines. We have Ryan
in Utah. Brian, Hello there, Okay, we're gonna head to Connecticut. Now, Greg,
are you are you with us? Okay? Greg is here?

(01:30:47):
Greg is here? Hi, Greg, We hear you.

Speaker 8 (01:30:49):
Okay, good?

Speaker 1 (01:30:51):
All right?

Speaker 8 (01:30:52):
Yeah, So you know I had a few things in
my mind, but like I was thinking about what one
of the callers has said about Drake may forcing that
touchdown to trying to force that the end zone. You know,
I was frustrated about it too, but I love the
fact that, like it seems like Josh McDaniels and Mike
Brabil put that trust in him to make those balls.
And I think that those type of mistakes are important,

(01:31:13):
especially when the defense is coming up.

Speaker 13 (01:31:15):
The way that it has. So I hated it.

Speaker 8 (01:31:18):
I mean, like I was sitting there with my dad
watching the game, and I'm like, ah, this man, just
like go take the three. But at the same time,
it's like it gave like such a good opportunity for
Henderson to just blow up and do what he.

Speaker 11 (01:31:31):
Did in the game.

Speaker 8 (01:31:32):
And you know, also, I'm pretty sure, like you guys
correct me if I'm wrong, but that was the Bucks
coming off their bye week, so it's like they had
tit and arrest. The Patriots coming into that game ready
to go one of their biggest challenges of the season.
And if you guys have already mentioned, I heard you
talking a little bit about Kyle Williams, who I've been
waiting to see do something. I think like give Booty

(01:31:55):
and Ramandre Stevenson like another game off and let Kyle
Williams and Dravian Henderson just see what they can do
against the Jets on a short week Thursday night football
ten days after that. It's just like, it feels like
the season is lighting up so well for us in
regards to how we can rest and whatnot. You guys
mentioned as well, like keeping Drake obviously like protected. But

(01:32:20):
it's just great to see what they're doing. It's wild.
It's like lo ti, I don't want to drink that.
I actually predicted before the season that I could see
the Patriots in the AFC Championship game. Maybe they shouldn't
say that, but I felt good about this team coming in.
I just can't believe what they're doing. So I'm just
curious what you guys think.

Speaker 9 (01:32:38):
Okay, I just go back to the same thing that
if somebody told you in August that after ten games
AB eight and two, you would laugh at that person.
You would say that they needed to be drug tested.
I don't think there's anybody in their right mind that
said in August that this team would.

Speaker 5 (01:32:57):
Be eight and two.

Speaker 3 (01:32:57):
I didn't expect them to be eight and two.

Speaker 5 (01:32:59):
No competitive yep. Now, I'm I don't know how they la.

Speaker 3 (01:33:06):
I don't know if I would have laughed, but I
would not have expected them to be eight and two.
Buffalo and Tampa were two games that before the season
started I would have had penciled in as losses. If
you had, I would not have penciled in a loss
of the Raiders, and probably not Pittsburgh either. But No,
eight and two is exceeding my expectations.

Speaker 4 (01:33:23):
Now we have a look at the regular season MVP odds.

Speaker 5 (01:33:26):
I need Fred's gambling book too.

Speaker 3 (01:33:29):
Does that mean that Drake may has the best odds
to win MVP right now.

Speaker 5 (01:33:32):
As of today? I believe that that's what that means.

Speaker 3 (01:33:34):
That's weird that today would be on the game right
like it's.

Speaker 5 (01:33:38):
Good he'd be winning.

Speaker 3 (01:33:40):
Him may have been his worst statistical game of.

Speaker 9 (01:33:45):
The year to your point, like there wasn't. The completion
percentage was certainly.

Speaker 3 (01:33:48):
Down, Yeah, sixteen of thirty one. He made some some plays,
but I mean the biggest play of the game Kyle
Williams made that was like a ten yard throw that
turned up turned up field. Guy undercuts him and doesn't
have help for the tackle, and it's just the fundamental
mistake by the Bucks. I'm teasing Todd. Bulls were not

(01:34:12):
having Jamel Dean on it. But any NFL players should
know if I go for the if I go for
the knockdown, I got to get it. I can't. I
either have to secure the tackle or I have to
make the play. You can't do neither.

Speaker 9 (01:34:21):
Didn't the quarterback kind of feather it in there there
a little bit?

Speaker 3 (01:34:24):
Does he do?

Speaker 6 (01:34:24):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:34:25):
I mean I would expect Drake May at this point
to make that play. The throw to mac Collins was perfect,
and I think Tony Romo said it during the broadcast.
I just I think you'd be hard pressed to find
a guy throwing a better deep ball in the NFL
right now than Drake May all season. This is not
a one game fluke here. I mean, this is just

(01:34:47):
it's perfect, just right in the bucket. It's just perfect.
And it's different guys to It's not like he's like
locking on, you know, like he has a rapport with
Digs or a rapport with It's like how many different
guys you know, Douglas, Booty Hollins, Like you've seen the
number of guys get get deep down the field. You know.
I just that's the part that I would have laughed

(01:35:09):
at before the season, Like Drake May is going to
be so good that he's going to be the MVP
of the league. I would have said, come on, he's
not going to make that big of a league in
one year.

Speaker 5 (01:35:20):
He has right now.

Speaker 1 (01:35:21):
And by the same token though, I mean even from
last year in training camp, it's just been one of
the things watching him in person that's impressed me the most.

Speaker 5 (01:35:26):
It's just he doesn't hesitate to throw the deep ball.

Speaker 1 (01:35:29):
And you know, admittedly I got one training camp to
Tom Brady and then it was like Mac Jones and
you know, so there wasn't a lot of pushing the
ball down the field twenty twenty to twenty twenty four.
But Drake, he's just it's it's in his that's his game.
His game is pushing the ball down the field, taking
those shots, and it's just amazing to see a player
who has the confidence but also has the accuracy so pecuted.

Speaker 5 (01:35:50):
You know, here's here's a question I have for now.

Speaker 3 (01:35:52):
It's ten games.

Speaker 9 (01:35:53):
So as the broadcast kept on saying that Mike said
to them well, the season's on now. So during this
win streak, I felt like, well, it's nice, but let's
see what happens. Well, now they've really positioned themselves as
one of the top teams at least record wise in
the AFC, So why not. Like, as you're looking ahead
a little bit and looking at different permutations, their schedule

(01:36:13):
is still kind of favorable.

Speaker 7 (01:36:15):
You know.

Speaker 9 (01:36:16):
I think Baltimore is definitely on the come. You know,
they won again today. They've got a couple of easy
games before they take on That's going to be a really,
really hard game, and I think that they're tough. Kansas
City's off this week, is that right? Yeah? And he
was in a dog fight against Atlanta. And I don't
think anybody saw a Buffalo losing to Miami and they
got throttled today, didn't they?

Speaker 3 (01:36:37):
No, But you were in a dog fight with Atlanta
last week? No, I know. So to me, it's going
to come down to the Buffalo game. Like if you can,
if you can beat Buffalo second time and win the
AFC East, then it's game on. You lose to Buffalo
and you lose the AFC East and.

Speaker 9 (01:36:51):
You're in a wildcards.

Speaker 3 (01:36:52):
When you're in a wildcard round and I don't like
your chances, but I don't really care. Yeah, the progress
that this team has made, that's already.

Speaker 5 (01:36:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:37:00):
You know, I'm not gonna tell you. I'm gonna just
sit here and I'm going I'm gonna come out here
with a huge smile on my face, you know, in
the playoffs after I lose. But well, gosh, darn it,
aren't we just happy to be No, no, no, I'm
not gonna do that, but have expectations. That's gonna be
the in my mind, that's gonna be. The takeaway is, yeah,

(01:37:20):
maybe they're not quite if they lose in the playoffs,
maybe they're not quite ready yet, but this team is
capable of doing a lot because the quarterback is that good.
Quarterbacks gonna I think you just used the phrase about
ten minutes ago. Quarterback is gonna give you a punches
chance against anyone. And if you could have said that
to me before the season started, I would have laughed, Okay.

Speaker 5 (01:37:41):
That's a well, wait, good way to put it.

Speaker 3 (01:37:42):
You know. Oh, they're gonna play Buffalo at Buffalo and
they're gonna have a punch as chance. Well, they did
not only have to punch as chance they won. Yeah,
that to me is something I didn't see coming.

Speaker 5 (01:37:54):
No, I mean either me neither it was.

Speaker 1 (01:37:56):
I mean, it's it's almost funny looking back at like,
you know what my question for the season where it's like,
you know, it's straight clutch that was kind of like
you know, it's like yeah, and it's pretty good, but
like it was never like is he an MVP candidate?

Speaker 3 (01:38:07):
We still don't get to see. Those really been so
good they haven't had to do that. Yeah, there's been one,
Like they've had clutch drives to close out games. Yeah, yeah,
I mean, you know, seventy yard run today to close
out of game. But like, yeah, they they really haven't
had to have the got to have a drive in
the fourth quarter because they've been so good. They've been

(01:38:30):
they've been in the lead so much.

Speaker 5 (01:38:31):
Forgive me for bringing this up, though, and I just
give it.

Speaker 3 (01:38:33):
It's forgiven.

Speaker 1 (01:38:34):
It's an interesting comp that pop pilot into my head,
and that is the seven Patriots who were who ran
a historic sixteen and no season.

Speaker 5 (01:38:41):
But he got to November December.

Speaker 1 (01:38:44):
I remember coming to see the team like play the
Jets and the Dolphins in December, and it wasn't the
same anymore. It wasn't thirty eight to thirteen anymore. It
was you know, you could see the ten against that
was winning games. But it's not looking better right now
when things are starting and that, you know, And that's
kind of where I come from a little bit with

(01:39:04):
this team now of you know, are we stagnating to
stagnate or is this just a little bit of a pause.
I mean, this is you know, Drake went four games
without throwing an interception. Now this is three straight games
with an interception. And now again it's just one interception.
It's not the end of the world. But you know,
that to me is an example of sometimes teams peak
in October and have a great run and you know,
and I don't want this team to be that. With

(01:39:25):
a young quarterback, I still feel like there is going
to be ups and downs. But at the same time,
you're a young team and you still have like finding
out who you are and you know, so I think
there's just such a huge opportunity for them this Thursday
night to really assert that control of the division. Win,
you know, get your ninth win, have that feeling of
like we're gonna have a winning season. No matter what

(01:39:46):
happens this year with nine wins, but still feel like
we need to be better. We need to clean up
these mistakes because we do have a chance to, you know,
win a playoff game. I think that that to me
seems crazy, like at the beginning of the season, So
just make the playoffs yea.

Speaker 5 (01:39:58):
And I love what Paul said. I'm not going to
come in here and be like, oh, isn't this great?

Speaker 1 (01:40:01):
We lost it because now I'm getting expectations of, like,
clean up the mistakes and don't lose in the first round,
especially if you're at home to some you know, Jacksonville
comes up.

Speaker 3 (01:40:10):
And that's why I think that's that's what makes all
the difference expectations if they if they win the division
and they have a home game and they lose, you're
going to be pissed. Now if they lose that second
game to Buffalo and then'll ultimately lose the division and
they're say the five seed and they go to Baltimore,
I'm not going to sit here and say that's a
game you must have win, Like, no, they could win,

(01:40:31):
and I'm not again punch his chance, but I'm not
going to say like disaster of a season you went
and lost the first playoff game, Like, there's a lot
of stuff that's there's a lot of football to still
be played.

Speaker 4 (01:40:42):
Art you're saying the expectation has changed, which is true,
but also continuing to manage it because at the end
of the day, if this season, like hey, when you
say the season will end today, it would still be
a successful season. But also understanding second year quarterback, there's
still so much growth to be had. And I get it.
It's hard when you see the potential, you're like, all right,
why not win at all this year?

Speaker 1 (01:41:00):
But we just look at the things like non result.
Like you look at the head coach, it's like he
knows what he's doing. It looks like he's built a program.

Speaker 4 (01:41:07):
And there you have a.

Speaker 1 (01:41:08):
Quarterback and really like that's kind of where the biggest
the two biggest pieces of the pile are.

Speaker 11 (01:41:12):
Right.

Speaker 5 (01:41:13):
Sure, you got the you feel like you got.

Speaker 1 (01:41:14):
A coach that the players can believe in, and you
got a quarterback that feels like, you know, if he
can continue to progress and get better, that he's going
to be one of the best players.

Speaker 9 (01:41:22):
And I think that coach is pushing this. There's more
to be had out here, guys, these games are more important.
It's going to get more fun. The games are going
to mean more. There's a carrot in front of these
guys that he's putting out in front.

Speaker 5 (01:41:33):
Of him every single week.

Speaker 9 (01:41:35):
Don't settle, don't be satisfied with eight and two, because
we can be nine to two and give a little
break or something like that. Then we got to figure
out how we went on the road after that. So
he's constantly not looking too far ahead. But what's the
next challenge? And this is absolutely a challenge. They're a
little bit banged up. Uh, they're at least at home

(01:41:55):
Jets team that has absolutely nothing to lose. They seem
to be playing a little bit better maybe for Aaron Glenn.
They didn't have much offense today, but they got two special.

Speaker 1 (01:42:05):
Teams called stop the run and don't turn the ball over.

Speaker 5 (01:42:09):
That's going to be due for Okay, yeah it's.

Speaker 3 (01:42:14):
Uh, someone might have.

Speaker 9 (01:42:16):
But what a UNI game this is coming up?

Speaker 5 (01:42:18):
The rivalries UNI's coming up and the Patriots rivalry uniform.

Speaker 1 (01:42:22):
Yeah, they had the helmets on on Friday, breaking those
in a little bit, so it'll be it'll be a
new look for the Pats and hopefully they bring some
some good vibes and I'll just be curious really how
the injuries play out this week with some of these guys,
because they hold them all back if you could, I mean,
of course, but like you know, but Rabel seems really
conscious of managing guys, and I mean all through the season,

(01:42:43):
through training camp, even you know, Wes Morgan mos is
coming out late.

Speaker 5 (01:42:46):
Like he seems very aware of that.

Speaker 1 (01:42:47):
And I think if anybody's got something that might linger,
that he might err on the side of cost.

Speaker 3 (01:42:51):
If they're healthy, they play. But like if Booty has
got to you know, and if he hamstring, sure, yeah,
but that's that's a tough one because you don't know
exactly how they are.

Speaker 4 (01:43:05):
Look at him.

Speaker 3 (01:43:07):
There is coming all right.

Speaker 4 (01:43:10):
Before we wrap, we have John and Wyoming. Who's been waiting? John?
What do you have to say? John fell asleep as
well on cam? Think it the camp in New York.

Speaker 24 (01:43:22):
Hey, guys, can you hear me?

Speaker 3 (01:43:24):
Hear you?

Speaker 4 (01:43:24):
Camp?

Speaker 24 (01:43:26):
Awesome? So I just wanted I have a couple of things.
So first thing is the play calls on defense in
the fourth quarter. I did not like the idea of
playing so soft. Other thing, I know Paul already said
he didn't like the idea of Trebun going into the
end zone.

Speaker 3 (01:43:41):
Oh I didn't. I didn't have a huge problem with that.
I didn't. I understand what he was doing. Two school
leagues in the last two minutes. Put the game away.

Speaker 24 (01:43:51):
Put yeah, put the game away. Put the points on
the board. I get that. And then the other thing was,
at least from the live broadcast, it looked like May
could have had a chance if he scrambled on the
interception to get into the end zone. Maybe not, but
I think.

Speaker 3 (01:44:05):
Yeah, he had just gotten lit up shortly before that.
My guess is that had something to do with it.
But yeah, I saw what you saw, Cam. I thought
he was going to try to run initially, but maybe
it closed down on him. Those guys were fast. I
was impressed with Tampa today. I mean, with all those
guys they were missing, they had every opportunity to win

(01:44:25):
the game. I know everybody was like, but they're coming
off of bye.

Speaker 16 (01:44:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:44:28):
None of them came back off the by. They all
missed the game.

Speaker 5 (01:44:32):
Some of they were throwing a lot at Drake too.
Just a lot to decipher too.

Speaker 3 (01:44:36):
It was a good game. I think the Patriots. There
was a big boy win. That was a big boy
win for the Patriots.

Speaker 9 (01:44:43):
I don't see anything that he had a chance to
run there.

Speaker 3 (01:44:46):
Yeah, so for me score, but so yeah, I think
that there's is it ninety six down the bottom here
or nine?

Speaker 11 (01:44:54):
No? Who is it?

Speaker 3 (01:44:55):
Yeah? Ninety six I think is going to make that
awfully tough on him to get He's going to maybe
he cuts back inside him, but when you cut back inside,
there's other guys that are getting there too. He's got
the guy's going to get involved to receiver Hollands.

Speaker 5 (01:45:09):
Yeah, it seemed like they wanted it quick and it
wasn't there.

Speaker 3 (01:45:12):
Yeah, it's just a bad play, Like a fake eight
point lead would have been significant, eactly.

Speaker 1 (01:45:18):
A little bit like to play the first touchdown plated Diggs,
where I'm guessing they were faking the screen to him
and then they were going to go back out to
Hollands who probably fake block and then went but they
didn't fall for it.

Speaker 3 (01:45:29):
I'm kind of similar to I didn't see it to
see it, but like it would remind me a little
bit of the touchdown that they had early in the
season against Miami in a similar spot on the field.
To Hollands. You know, maybe he's faking like he's gonna
block down, it's gonna it's gonna dig out the nickel
and then you know cut and they were on it. Tampa.

(01:45:50):
I thought Tampa's coverage was pretty good today. I didn't
see a lot of guys wanting running wide open today.
They they had more balls knocked down than we've seen
probably all year. That's why I give the Patriots more
credit because it was harder. They made them work harder
for it, and they had to work harder for it,
and they did. Tampas are not great, but they're battle tested.

(01:46:10):
Two good teams. Yeah, those two good teams that play today.

Speaker 4 (01:46:13):
Absolutely So. Like we mentioned the Patriots preparing for a
short week, we are as well. So we're gonna wrap
this show up for Paul Parillo and Mike do So
and Matt Smith. I'm Kwannie Lunis. Thank you for watching
the Patriots Post Game Show presented by DraftKings.

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