Patriots Postgame Show 12/1: Full Analysis of Patriots 25-24 Loss to the Colts

Tune-in as we break down everything that stood out from the Patriots 25-24 loss to the Indianapolis Colts in week 13. We bring you the good, the bad and the injured. Plus, we replay postgame press conferences from Jerod Mayo and Drake Maye.

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Speaker 4 (01:37):
Welcome you inside the Jillette Stadium, where the Patriots have
just lost a heart breaker to the Indianapolis Colts by
the score of twenty five to twenty four. This is
the Patriots postgame Show, presented by Draft Kings. The Patriots
now are three and ten on the season, and they
are entering their bye week, and that's gonna be a

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tough one to swallow as they enter their bye week.
I'm not the stats guy, but I think the Patriots
dominated the stats for most of the game. But the
stat that's gonna count is with penalties. A twenty one
play drive that took five minutes and twenty two seconds
off the clock that capped off with a touchdown by
the Colts, their coach decided to go for it, went

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for two.

Speaker 3 (02:21):
They had the Patriots on the ropes. Good call.

Speaker 4 (02:22):
They got the two, and the Colts won the game
twenty five to twenty four. Patriots had the ball back
with twelve seconds and got in position to try to
kick a sixty eight yard field goal. If it had
been sixty six yards, it might have been good because
it was run on the money, but it was short.
New England loses twenty five to twenty four and they're
three and ten. Paul Perilla joins me on the postgame

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show presented by DraftKings. Initial Analysis please, mister.

Speaker 3 (02:48):
Paul, Yeah, I mean I caught some of your synopsis there, Matt,
and I would probably agree with the vast majority of
what I heard. Not a lot of bad stuff to
talk about offensively today, and not a lot of good
stuff to talk about defensively today. The best defensive play
the Patriots had was the other team dropping passes. But

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it's too on that final drive. But offensively, we'll get
to it when we do the lists. They just got
to find a way to finish off some of these drives,
and it's really becoming and you can see it. There's
a frustration level that you can actually visibly see on
the player's part. They can't finish the drives. They're leaving
points on the field and a one point game and

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you and you have whatever it was where they won
for five today in the red zone, you just you can't,
well two for six maybe ended up beingdown, so you
just can't. You can't leave that many points on the field.
And that's ultimately the difference in the game is the
other team was what three for three in the red

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zone and three for four.

Speaker 4 (03:52):
When they got down there, they scored when the Patriots
got down there, not only did they not only did
Sli miss a sixty eight yard field goal, which nobody's
gonna knock them for missing.

Speaker 3 (04:00):
The twenty five yard which is an excuse? Was that
the word that broke the of the year the guy
for the Rams who had the twenty six yard miss
here a couple of weeks ago. But and overall there's
I mean, I know people don't want to hear about it,
and I wouldn't want to hear about it either, But
it just Drake May just continues to impress.

Speaker 4 (04:21):
He was really good today and he wasted that effort
by him today.

Speaker 3 (04:24):
Yeah, so tough loss. I mean, in the grand scheme
of things, it's not that big a deal to the
game because of the season, but you start you made
this point I think in the pre game, and I
think you're right, Matt. You got to start having some
success if you want to sort of get any semblance
of you know, a program going, and you need to

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win games like.

Speaker 4 (04:46):
This because it's gonna be a tough goodbye on Tuesday
when they leave. You know, I mean, the latest bye
possible is what the Patriots have along with the Colts
and several other teams. But if they could have held
on to win this game, or somehow find a way
to score more points to win this game, they go
into that buy with a really good feeling and there's
you know, maybe some hope to close out the season
on a good note for the final four games. This

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is a tough spot to be in here after that
demoralizing win, and gered Mayo and his staff have their
work cut out for him coming up here, you know,
to try to keep everybody on the same page because
this was a tough way to lose a football game.

Speaker 3 (05:19):
Yeah, I mean you have. And let me go back
to you know, there's a lot of different ebbs and
flows to games, keys to games. One that's probably not
going to get much attention, that should. The Patriots offense
today was borderline unstoppable, Like they moved the ball at
will all day until they were up seven with the

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ball in five minutes left and they went three and
out for the only punt of the day, and of
course only punt of the day turns into a terrible
punch by Bryce Barringer, who seemingly has one of these
stinkers every week. Well today that was his only opportunity.
Like I just it's frustrating when you move the ball
that well, twenty three first downs, four hundred and twenty

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two yards of offense, and yet you have the ball
around the forty yard line. You good field position too,
and you can't move it when you need to. So
that was frustrating.

Speaker 4 (06:14):
They pick up two yards on first down on that possession, Paul,
bringing up second of eight, second and eight, and then
I think they give it to Stevenson and they lost
two on the play, bringing up third and ten, which
is not a great way to make a living, although
they picked up some third.

Speaker 3 (06:28):
And lungs today.

Speaker 4 (06:29):
And then I don't know if it technically went for
a sack, but May was forced out, you know, you're saying,
and it counted as a sack, and it was the
quickest three and out and demoralizing after they had, to
your point, had racked up yards of the entire day,
you know, No, I totally, here's a sequence in question,
and here's the third down play, you know, and they
lost yardage on that particular play, and I mean they

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didn't they couldn't even take any clock off, you know,
picking up one first down, it would have just helped
them measurably, and they do nothing with them.

Speaker 3 (06:59):
He get a couple of first downs, you get a
field goal, You in the game, right, you know, you
get a two score lead and the game's over. But
they couldn't. They couldn't find a way to move the ball,
like I said, when they had to when that that
last drive. We'll get to some other things here too,
but I thought it was I thought it was odd
that Gerrod Meyo chose not to use timeouts in the

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last minute too. When the Colts, you know, get the
ball first in goal, you're either going to get in
or not. Right, You're not gonna run out of time, right,
you got four plays from inside the ten. You're not
out of time. Right. Colts had all their time outs left.
They didn't have them in a position where they had
to rush. You call a couple of timeouts there, and
maybe you have a minute, you know, you know at
the end, or you know, forty five seconds instead of

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twelve seconds and you need a miracle sixty eight.

Speaker 5 (07:44):
Yard or so.

Speaker 3 (07:46):
Yeah, I mean it's it's a frustrating one all around.

Speaker 4 (07:49):
Yeah, Mike, the show joins us. Now, that was a
tough one from a Patriots perspective to see that ending.

Speaker 3 (07:55):
Mike initial analysis just disappointing.

Speaker 2 (07:58):
The defense, you know, had a chance, had a chance.

Speaker 3 (08:00):
I thought.

Speaker 2 (08:01):
The offense, you know, some of the same problems continue
to haunt them, and maybe if they'd overcome all of
them today that they probably would have won. But I
just don't think there's anything more frustrating than giving up
that game winning drive, especially where it took what eighteen plays.
I mean, it's just I.

Speaker 4 (08:15):
Think twenty one plays if you include the penalties.

Speaker 2 (08:19):
And that somebody's got to step up. Somebody's got to
step up in that situation. And you know, I mean
credit to them, they I guess got lucky and had
some drops that they didn't give it up in one
chunk it looked like that was almost.

Speaker 4 (08:29):
There was at least couple of times at least two
where wide open receivers and guys dropped the.

Speaker 2 (08:33):
Ball, so you thought they were going to get a reprieve,
but they did not. So I just I'm incredibly frustrated
that the defense couldn't just step up and make a play.
I don't think the defense did a lot today. They
had a couple moments, but they just they couldn't step
up and crunch time, and that's why they didn't win
the game.

Speaker 3 (08:46):
I mean, really, the defense did nothing today. And I
know the yards are going to you're gonna look at
these the stats here, Well, two hundred and fifty three yards.
Didn't have the ball, yeah, the Colts. The Colts only
punted twice, right, and one of those punts was on
a ridiculously phantom offensive passing appearance that negated a first halnd.
So you know, like Mike said, nineteen plays, you had

(09:09):
countless opportunities, multiple fourth downs. This is not a sophisticated
passing offense. And you just couldn't get off the field.
You couldn't get off the field. And they ran it,
they threw it. And like I said, Mike, how much
easier could it have been had they just caught a
passer too? And they had two long balls that were there, yep,

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and the Patriots defenders had nothing to do with not
catching those either one of them.

Speaker 2 (09:37):
Well, I think those plays just remind you that as
close as you might think they are, I mean, there
there's still a ways to go for the defense. I mean,
they're they're lucky they had a couple of drops and
and didn't end it on a play like that. But
I almost find this more frustrating where you're just felt powerless.
This was a frustrating I lost my chipping away, chipping
away and you know a certain five thousand papers, wasn't it.

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It felt, you know a little bit inevitable. Yes, you know,
towards towards once they got plaid pastfield, it was.

Speaker 3 (10:05):
Like, never thought they were going to lose until they lost. Yeah,
I gotta be honest. I thought, you know, Colts, I thought,
you know, played better offensively than I thought, but way
worse defensively than I thought they would be. And the
Patriots offense was doing whatever it wanted. I'd never do.
I thought the Patriots are gonna win, not like a
NOD game or anything. The Fred goes, are you given
the No, I'm like, what are you high? Like like

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not even close? And I just I felt like they
were gonna win. But it just and in the end,
you know, penalties, red zone and can't make a stop,
you know, just the big plays. You know how Bill
used to always say, all these games come down to
you know, a handful of plays. The Colts made them
all and the Patriots didn't make any of them. Right accounted,
you could.

Speaker 4 (10:45):
You could package what you just said there penalties inability
to get a stop in red zone, and there's your bad.

Speaker 5 (10:52):
That's that.

Speaker 3 (10:56):
We can keep that in the houses down. Just leave
it just towards that.

Speaker 4 (10:59):
But we are contractually obligated to do the good, the bad,
and the injured.

Speaker 3 (11:04):
So let's do it, mad. Now it's time for the good, but.

Speaker 6 (11:08):
Good, pretty good, the bad.

Speaker 1 (11:15):
And the injured.

Speaker 4 (11:16):
Ah, you are right guy, all right? Uh Michael, why
don't you lead us off with your good list?

Speaker 3 (11:29):
Please? Drake May?

Speaker 2 (11:31):
Uh, just some great throws from the pocket today, that
is what I loved.

Speaker 3 (11:37):
A couple to Bourne.

Speaker 2 (11:38):
I just thought where from our vantage point you could
almost see the window that he was thrown to.

Speaker 7 (11:43):
I mean right there.

Speaker 2 (11:43):
That was maybe the first throw of the game where
you kind of knew he was on uh number third
down throws today that were excellent.

Speaker 8 (11:51):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (11:51):
I think the one towards the end of the game
to Bourne where you just see May throwing the windows,
throwing anticipatory to spots and that to me, you know,
there were some of this on the run, but it
wasn't the majority of it today. I thought the majority
of it was you know, in time certainly did some
damage with his legs. Poor hunter Henry Cheese on this.

Speaker 3 (12:11):
Is that a penalty even though he's a move even
though he's a runner. I mean, but it looks like
not in my league. But I mean I've seen it called.

Speaker 2 (12:18):
Okay, Yeah, so yeah, Drake may one hundred percent for me.
I just I think that's why I'm so disappointed, is
you know, I just I thought he really showed a
lot of poise today, you know, in some critical moments.
Would I love to see them respond after the Gonzo
We'll get into that, but you know that that's one
possession where it was a little disappointing, but I got
into it. He did a little bit already. Okay, but yeah,
just an outstanding day for Drake and and and I

(12:39):
feel excited about him.

Speaker 3 (12:40):
If we want to spend a little time a little bit.

Speaker 2 (12:44):
Yeah, yeah, he had a couple, uh the other one
that Hooper too, you know, two really good throws.

Speaker 3 (12:50):
Now, the one on the inside to Hooper I didn't love,
but that that throw was sick, like that's not a
big window. Yeah, I would echo everything Mike said. I thought,
Drake May this was the best he's he's played. I
thought he was really on it. And I think you
used the word anticipatory. That's a big word for me.

Speaker 2 (13:08):
I didn't go to hold of five or six syllables, but.

Speaker 3 (13:11):
I think that perfectly encapsulates because we have like a
good view of some of those and you can sort
of look and see and like, wow, yeah, that was
the one. He got it in there.

Speaker 2 (13:20):
Wah, sixteen second, fifteen sixteen yard.

Speaker 4 (13:23):
I didn't see the two point play to Booty was that,
you know, one two out because that seemed quick.

Speaker 3 (13:28):
I didn't like that play at all. Okay, I don't.
I could play that's designed not to get in the
end zone on a two point conversion. They were fortunate
on that. I think he might have been short. I
think he might have been touched before he put the
ball over the goal line on that. But the throw
was excellent. That's the throw I think Mike's talking about
to Born anticipatory. This is like unbelievable because the guys Christen,

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you know, like they're gonna have like twenty options. I'm like, yeah,
he was really really good today. He had a couple
here and there. You know, the the interception was really
really bad luck, and that was one of the throws
that I would say was not quite where it was
supposed to be, was to the inside. It gave the
linebacker a chance. But I mean, very few and far between.
He was really good today.

Speaker 4 (14:11):
He had a couple of bad throws, but that's all
it was.

Speaker 3 (14:13):
It was a couple of bads that throw right there,
and he made Hooper work way too hard for that
one on the inside on the ball that should have
been out. But I mean, with nitpicking, this is a guy.
He was really good.

Speaker 4 (14:24):
Bostvion joins us and Fred will put a quick pause
in the good, the bad, and the injured injured to
get your instant analysis.

Speaker 5 (14:32):
My instant analysis is they missed the opportunity to take
control of the game in the first half. That I mean,
they not win it, right, but yeah, but take control
and they just couldn't do it. They you know, with
the penalties and I should have had a two score
leader yea. And I would say needed to be a
little bit more aggressive on the play calling. Just uh, yeah,

(14:55):
they had a chance to take control of the game
in the first half. And they didn't do it.

Speaker 3 (14:59):
And I agree with Fred. That's it all right, thanks everybody.
That's not how it works. I never agree with Fred,
so I with Fred, and it was just no one
has anything else to say, Just say something nice about
Drake and call it a day. No, But I I
know Mike started off with with Drake May. I would
put the two tight ends, you know, I think Henry
and Hooper were really good. Again, those guys were, let's see,

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targeted thirteen times, had eleven catches between them. For wow,
Henry had seven for seventy five and Hooper four for
forty two. So what one hundred and seventeen yards in
a touchdown? Those two guys have been really, really good,
and not all the catches were easy catches. You shaw
that the third down one early to Henry on the outside,

(15:46):
beautiful coverage by the Colts defender. I think it was
number twenty Cross had his arm raped on across, but
Henry made the catch, perfect ball placement by May on
the outside shoulder. And then the touchdown to Henry again,
I mean to Hooper, not an easy throw or catch.
So I thought, I thought the two tight ends are
really good.

Speaker 5 (16:05):
I had another grid one on the sideline where on
the ball.

Speaker 4 (16:07):
Was inside and yet Paul On One of the plays
that everybody will be talking about is the non touchdown
slash turnover when Henry couldn't come up with the ball
at the goal line.

Speaker 3 (16:22):
Yeah, that was one of the bad throws that I
would put on on May. But like literally I could
maybe say two or three today I didn't think were
where it were supposed to be.

Speaker 5 (16:32):
Yep, yep.

Speaker 3 (16:33):
But this throw, that throw, if that's on him or
to the left of him, he's able to catch it
and probably get in or at the very least he's
inside the one he throws it to the inside. Forty
four I think is Zaire Franklin. He's able to sort
of get involved in the play a little bit. I
don't know if he got a piece of it. He
might have. It's obviously very bad luck that the ball

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ends up getting interceptive, But see how that ball's inside
of him. Yepeah, and Franklin's able to come over and
bother Henry. And this is a great play by the
I think it's Blackman, Julian Blackman who makes the interception.
Very bad luck that it winds up a turnover. It
should have just been Oh man, that should have been
a touchdown.

Speaker 5 (17:09):
Yeah, forty four definitely swatted the.

Speaker 3 (17:11):
Ball, yeah yeah, and that's because the ball was on
the inside, right. But I mean, what was he twenty
four for thirty and we're talking about maybe two three
throws that weren't where he wanted them to be. Yeah, okay,
so this been a win? Yeah, absolutely, the tax should
have been a win today. Do the running backs make.

Speaker 5 (17:31):
The 's boat?

Speaker 2 (17:32):
Gibson definitely makes it for me.

Speaker 3 (17:33):
I have Gibson on the Yeah, yeah, ye.

Speaker 5 (17:37):
Why did they go away from him in the second
half like late, you know later?

Speaker 3 (17:41):
It's like it continues this.

Speaker 2 (17:43):
I can never get an exact beat of what they're
doing with him, but I mean it's like I seven
for sixty two, eight point nine per carry. I mean
it felt like he had more than seven times.

Speaker 3 (17:51):
But each time he did, he brought a little bit.

Speaker 5 (17:53):
Of juice, a little smart banged up at the end,
like what was the deal?

Speaker 2 (17:56):
I don't know, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (17:58):
It's just the remains in enigma. Because he ran in
for the touchdown in the fourth court, I was going,
he gave him the go ahead touchdown.

Speaker 2 (18:05):
Yeah, this run was a nice one too.

Speaker 5 (18:07):
You know, well, let's keep going.

Speaker 2 (18:08):
Yeah, they ran the ball better today. Oh yeah, I
think we can talk. You know, Stevenson, there's there's a
lot going on there. But he had eighteen steven said
at eighteen carries and Gibson at seven.

Speaker 3 (18:17):
Well, eighteen for seventy three and one of them he
averaged one big one. He averages four yards to carry
with a thirty two yard run and another fumble another fumble.
Six for the year Forred Fred was I think Fred
will have him on a different list. Let's just put
it that way. Fred was not happy with Ramondo Stevenson today.

Speaker 2 (18:36):
Yeah, I just I only had Gibson on for had
I had just Gibson to.

Speaker 3 (18:39):
Yeah, okay, what else on the go? I guess I
guess I'm up what else on the good list? So
I thought Gonzales again, that's a that's a big time
pick when you undercut Alec Pierce. Didn't see him in
the general vicinity of anything. They didn't complete a lot
of passes in general, but I didn't see him in
the general vicinity of any receivers that caught passes today.

(19:02):
Good play at the end, stringing out Jonathan Taylor and
uh kind of forcing Taylor to go out of bounds
there knowing he needed to stop the clock. Right, that
was a third third and goal. I thought he was
involved in that play. I thought Gonzo was was not
not asked to do a whole lot, but when he was,
he was solid. Yeah, so I had him on my
good list to.

Speaker 2 (19:20):
Two games in a row. The takeaway for their for
Gonzo good good stuff.

Speaker 4 (19:24):
So Fred k spiand and I'm not saying that I
disagree with you. They scored on four their five possessions.
In the fifth possession, they missed a chip shot field
when you say they had a chance, Is that what
you're talking about?

Speaker 3 (19:33):
Not on the bad list yet?

Speaker 4 (19:34):
No, no, no, no, I just want to he said, I said,
give me some incident analysis. His instant analysis was they
failed to capitalize by putting the game or taking more
control of the game in the first half. Right, Is
that did I correctly summarize?

Speaker 2 (19:48):
I mean bringing Knyves to a gunfight.

Speaker 3 (19:49):
I'm going to address that. Yeah, Okay, I'm with Fred.
I'm a thousand percent with Fred, all right. That was
that was negligent coaching that cost them seven points at
the end of the half. And then the kicker cost
them three. Okay, have we then, have we emptied the
bucket on good?

Speaker 9 (20:04):
No?

Speaker 3 (20:04):
Okay, I had Alex Austin poet list. I thought Alex
Austin showed up today. I mean he gets a passing
affearance on the last drive that he earned. Yeah, no,
I know, but like I thought, some really competitive coverage
on some deep balls. That's what the Colts want to do.
They're not going to go twelve yards at a time
downfield generally, they're going to try to make big chunk plays.
When he was, you know, called upon on deep balls.

(20:28):
That's a really good player right there that he made
knocking this ball away? And is this the deep one? No, okay,
that's a different one. So we'll probably get to that
in a second. But I thought the and that was
a good play by Schooler too getting in the land.
I think he may have gotten a piece of that too.
So those two guys on that play, that was a
big play in the game. But the deep ball really
really good coverage. Stride for Stride, he's fred he was

(20:52):
in phase, yeah, in his coverage and he and he's
able to make uh make a play on the ball.
Good pass defense, I thought Alex Austin was solid in
this game.

Speaker 2 (21:00):
Yep, yep, made some good plays. I I don't know,
I'm not going I thought Marcus Jones had a couple
of those kind of plays though, too, where he's competitive
in coverage. But I only gave him. I only have
him one check, so I don't know if that's enough
to get on the good list for me.

Speaker 4 (21:14):
Yeah, and he was a plus as usual on a
punt returns, right, I had a couple of good punt returns.
Wasn't a lot there, but he made something out of
you know, not a lot.

Speaker 3 (21:22):
This might be the Alex Austin. No, it's not.

Speaker 4 (21:24):
That's what he was spraying the ball around that was
That was the one he airmailed. You know, how how
are you going to let this guy go? You know,
nineteen plays down the field, five twenty two.

Speaker 3 (21:35):
I will, I will say this about him. There might
be something there. If he's mentally, if he's strong mentally,
he can some of the stuff that he can't do
right now you can learn right Yeah, I'll say that
if if I were, if I were the Colts, I
would be cautiously optimistic. Let's put it that way, because
I don't think you can necessarily just learn how to

(21:58):
be more accurate. I think that's kind of an innate thing.
But he's going to learn how to see the fields
better and then he has that physical skill set that
like that. Not a lot of guys have I told
you during the game, every time you tell me a
lot of things.

Speaker 5 (22:10):
Every time Taylor leaked out, he was there for it
and they had plenty of rules.

Speaker 3 (22:14):
So that's a great example. Look at that's a great
example if they say, like, you know, sometimes just take
the easy money, right, you know, every throw that he makes,
he's the opposite of like the vast majority of NFL quarterbacks.
All of his throw's air yards are like fifteen or more.
But I would be cautiously optimist stick if I were
a Colts fan with him, because he might be able
to figure it out. He's nowhere close yet, though, I

(22:35):
mean that he's wild.

Speaker 4 (22:36):
That's a signature drive for him. To cap that off
the way that they.

Speaker 3 (22:39):
Did in the two point conversion was all him.

Speaker 4 (22:41):
Sure yep, carried guys put in his hands.

Speaker 3 (22:44):
Yeah. So I also had the like the very first
drive of the game. Again, we see some creativity for
Alex van Pell you know, it's like you're gonna put
Marcus Jones out there, We're gonna play action off of him.
We're gonna throw a little shovel pass to Hunter Henry.
Good stuff, a good mix.

Speaker 5 (23:00):
So is this how the good works? Paul does them all?
And then everybody saidbody said that we're out.

Speaker 3 (23:05):
No, I was, I can't help. But if I had
more things that I was optimistic about that.

Speaker 5 (23:10):
He gets so down. Nothing's good exactly.

Speaker 3 (23:14):
He sat down, Fred said, does anybody else have anything?
And everybody said, no, I have more stuff than I felt.

Speaker 5 (23:20):
I agree with what you're saying so far.

Speaker 3 (23:22):
Paul as he just wanted to take a shot.

Speaker 5 (23:25):
I just I understand. I just figured we say out
to the back. I don't know if we just emptied
the holster with Paul and then we just move on.

Speaker 3 (23:31):
To the well we get to the point where we
still good stuff like that. I thought the play that
Jilani and Christian was combined on in the first half
was a really good play. Good you know, dropping in
the coverage on those zones that was good. Good Rain
showed by Tavai like this is some good play. That's
a good play. It is, and it's not an easy
pick that that Ellis comes up with. Now we might

(23:54):
see what happened after that pick. Come up on a
different list, right.

Speaker 2 (23:59):
U, do you want to add No, No, I think
I think Paul touched on all the individual plays.

Speaker 3 (24:04):
Yeah, I'm kidding.

Speaker 4 (24:07):
Oh I had, I had h He's an interesting one
on the good list, I wrote, Fred international plug.

Speaker 3 (24:14):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah, Fred was Fred was U
was into that giddy Nah, Giddy's a strong word because
he was a little on edge toad with a lot
of heavy size. Today he did say, like the Patriots
take a twenty four to seventeen, leader goes, you're given
the nod, and I'm like, f No, have you seen
this team play this year?

Speaker 4 (24:30):
It was very well produced by CBS, I thought, Fred,
so they I'm sure you were very happy with it.

Speaker 5 (24:34):
Yes, it was our international day. We had a lot
of fan clubs around the world check in with their
watch parties, Zurich and Munich, Brazil. So good day for
the international fans.

Speaker 4 (24:46):
There you go, they got they gotta see a game
ripped away from them, just like the American fans did. Yeah, Mike,
anything else, no, ad? No, Okay, So I want to
get to the Bats. Yeah, Mike, you can lead us
off a.

Speaker 2 (24:57):
Great red zone offense. Let's started with that two for six.
They came into this game twenty ninth in the league
in red zone offense, so it's a recording problem for them.

Speaker 3 (25:06):
But I think that's where Fred was getting at.

Speaker 2 (25:08):
You get touchdowns there in the early going, you change
the temper of the game, you take a bigger lead,
and you put more pressure on Indy. So I thought
that was just really one of the three key areas
where this game was lost today was red zone offense.

Speaker 3 (25:20):
So I would totally agree with Mike and Fred. You
can jump right in on this because I don't want
to first want to correct two eight seven. Yeah, awful
play calling, awful clock management, offul everything. So instead of
getting seven that you should have, you settle for three.
And then your field goal kicker misses a twenty five
yard field goal, which Matt I believe is correct in

(25:42):
pointing out smissfield goal in the NFL dissue.

Speaker 5 (25:44):
Yeah, there were first and goal at the two. It
ended up first and goal at the twenty two because
of penalties. I mean, what are we doing right?

Speaker 3 (25:51):
Wait? Man, I don't think that's the same drive it wasn't.

Speaker 5 (25:53):
It wasn't. That was another.

Speaker 3 (25:56):
I'm talking about like balls, red zone appearance, that's penalties
and that's that's not acceptable. The other one at the
end of the half was self inflicted. Yeah, and I
just I don't really understand some of the decisions that
they make. Like I gave Alex van Pell credit for
you know, so imagine to create creative play calling early.

(26:17):
I cannot take any more away from him for what
he did at the end of the half. And you
guys are right, like it was nine to seven, I
believe at the time is that the score no sixteen fourteen.
It was sixteen fourteen. You have a chair take a
two score lead, right, and they completely butchered it. And
I want to get it. I want to get the

(26:38):
plays up here so I can figure it out here. Okay,
So it's first, first and ten from the eleven with
forty one seconds left. You can see the play on
your screen. What do you want to do, folks, what
do you want to do here? Not that I'll tell

(26:59):
you that there's forty one seconds left, Pick up a one,
throw the ball into the end zone three times and
see if we can get a touchdown. Second and get nothing. Okay,
now it's second nine. This is perfect good job, Chris.
Guys really despise that call because that forces you to
use timeouts. Now you're out of timeout. So now there's
twenty six seconds left. And here's the thing. Now you

(27:20):
can't get stopped in the field of play and get
your field goal team one. No, you have time to
do it. But now it's a fire drill now. And
I think that they like to talk and I think
actually Jeremy Springer talked about this on Friday, Mike Evan
and I were talking about during the game. Nineteen is
kind of like that. So they had enough time to
do it, But why would you ever set yourself in

(27:40):
a position where you had to do it that way
when you had timeouts and you were in scoring position.
Running the ball on the second down play there, to
me was ridiculous. And sometimes these people are like, well,
they're always trying to run it in down there, why
don't they throw it? And I'm like, they haven't really
do well, they did it today, they try to run
it now it works later in the game, But later

(28:02):
in the game, it's not about the clock. When they
scored the touchdown in the middle of the fourth quarter.
Clock isn't a factor this time. It is because it
forced you to use the last time out. Unlike Matt
Ebufleu was saying, I don't know what the calling timeout,
but now that sets up a third and was it
third and three? Now you guys can't let this run.
And I said to myself, a sack here is going

(28:24):
to be a fire drill. Sure enough, what happens sack holding?
Now they get bailed out by the holding call, because
if the holding call doesn't happen, that's a running clock.
And now you got to run the field goal unit
on the field. If I were the Colts, I would
have rolled the dice and taken the penalty and see
if they could do something else stupid like run the
ball again, because that was so mismanaged at the end

(28:45):
of the half. Like, I really got frustrated because I
was with you guys. They had a chance, I think
it was sixteen fourteen at the time, they had a
chance to take a two score lead. Who was the
last time they had a two school lead Chicago?

Speaker 10 (28:57):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (28:57):
Right?

Speaker 3 (28:58):
Like I just thought that that was poor clock management,
poor play calling, and then obviously poor execution when Joey
Slide misses a twenty five yard field goal, and I
think someone texted me like he looked like he was
trying to blame the holder on it. I didn't notice
that during the game, but I mean, he misses this bad.
It wasn't even close. He barely hit the net. And

(29:19):
it doesn't look like there's anything wrong with the hold
to me. The laces are out. Yep, laces out. Yeah,
they stinkle.

Speaker 5 (29:25):
No, what are you doing?

Speaker 11 (29:26):
God?

Speaker 3 (29:27):
Come on?

Speaker 5 (29:28):
Definitely he gave a.

Speaker 3 (29:32):
Like I'm with Fred. I think the game was kind
of I mean, I know they should have won anyway,
but they made it so much harder on themselves and
the game was kind of lost on that series. Yeah, yeah,
what else we got?

Speaker 4 (29:44):
It's a shame, all right, Mike. So you let off
with red zone offense? Red zone offense, it wasn't category.
I mean, the category is bad, wrecked getting any points.
What part of the defense do you want to place
in the bad category?

Speaker 3 (29:57):
Is it all? Take your pick? I mean I would say, like, like,
let's just flip it to the.

Speaker 2 (30:01):
Red zone for the defense too, because you know, allowing
Indyed to go three for four inside the red zone.
I mean that, you know, is a big chunk of
where this game was one. But yeah, I mean it's
just lack of impact, lack of impact.

Speaker 3 (30:12):
At the end.

Speaker 2 (30:12):
I mean you could say clutch defense too, but you know,
just not being able to get that last stop. I
think overall, I don't know whatever you want to put
it under for the bad list, it's just the lack
of clutch, the lack of the team needing you to
step up and to make a play and the defense
unable to deliver it with a sustained drive. Like you know,
number of plays you rarely see, just incredibly frustrating to.

Speaker 3 (30:32):
Watch that play.

Speaker 2 (30:33):
They'll watch that drive unfold.

Speaker 3 (30:34):
It's just play after play after play.

Speaker 2 (30:36):
And I think all game they struggled to make negative
plays to the Patriots, you know, to push them back
to you know, I think the couple drives that you
saw where they did actually stops in early downs. Then
they forced a couple punts that they had but just
not enough, not enough from the defense, and certainly in
the red zone they were they were not.

Speaker 3 (30:52):
It's like I said, you're gonna look at the stats
and say, well, what are they talking about. They only
gave up two hundred and fifty three yards of offense,
but they never really stopped them. It's the same thing
with the last two weeks. They stopped there on the
Colts stopped running. The Patriots didn't stop their running game, right, well,
the Colts didn't stop running. They ran the ball very
effectively a game, twenty five carries for ninety six yards.
They I mean Taylor were in the ball well whenever
hee oh.

Speaker 4 (31:12):
My point is that the yards wasn't There wasn't a
ton of yards because they weren't on the field that often.

Speaker 3 (31:17):
Well, I just got they want they kept hitting the
end zone and I'm just but like to your point
about the red zone, Mike, is like they only go
so far. They scored touchdowns. When they got down there,
they also lose Like like the total yards doesn't count.
The two pass interference penalties, the one on the last
drive and the one earlier in the game for thirty yards,
Like those don't count in total yards, right, those are

(31:39):
both plays that were you know that that counts.

Speaker 4 (31:43):
So there's your Austin coverage play right there.

Speaker 3 (31:46):
Yeah, that was a really good play. By the way
he was t This is I mean, Alex Pierce is
a big time deep threat, no penalty. There times it
perfectly over the top and he knocks the ball away.
This is a pass defense. This didn't hit ad Mitchell
in the hands and getting dropped. This didn't hit that
number eighty three guy who I don't know, Allen. That
was a really good I thought Austin was good in

(32:07):
this game, and I know it's unfortunate for him that
he got the pass interference and on the last drive,
because I thought otherwise he was pretty good in this game.
That's just a drop by Mitchell. That's bad. That's really bad,
you know, like that. That's why I didn't think there
was any chance they were going to score after losing
all those opportunities. But give the Colts credit, they kept
coming back.

Speaker 4 (32:27):
The I will say Jones did did close little bit
on that play.

Speaker 3 (32:31):
Was it drop? Didn't? He didn't a little bit? He didn't.
They showed the replay several times the ball hit the
receiver in the chest and then the hands and then
he dropped it. Now he celebrates like he did last week. Understood,
But this is just that's just getting beaten coverage and
the other guy just not making a play those balls,

(32:53):
And as.

Speaker 4 (32:53):
You're talking about they might have something there.

Speaker 3 (32:55):
Yeah, I like, I just thought these kinds of plays
the gout to have a place he had them, yep,
you know, And I didn't think there was a chance.
I mean, that's a great throw. I didn't think there's
a chance they were going to throw the ball into
the end zone on fourth and goal. By the way,
I thought if they were going to score there, it
was going to be the way they got the two
point conversion, not not with him throwing It was a

(33:16):
good throw, was that Pierce that caught the time had
touchdown it? As it turned out? Run defense, I thought
they they lacked all day.

Speaker 4 (33:24):
Yes, So that that was my bigger point, Paul, that
the statistics don't look like they were gashed all day,
and he could run the ball whenever they wanted to.

Speaker 3 (33:33):
Yeah, but I would say it like thirty four for
one forty four that's gashed all day. Like that's bad.
You know, the Patriots had two hundred yards of running
off rushing offense. They were I mean, Patriots ran the
ball really well today.

Speaker 5 (33:45):
And they had a lot of those.

Speaker 4 (33:47):
Yeah, they had had a forty one yard are in there.

Speaker 3 (33:50):
Yeah, Well but that's real. I mean they had. I
mean Stevenson and Gibson combined for one hundred and thirty five.
That's a lot, Yeah, it's yeah, but May had fifty nine,
which gets you up to two hundred.

Speaker 2 (34:03):
Just so much space inside with the indie running game.
That's what I think is the problem with the Patriots
defense and their lack of kind of depth at linebacker.
They're just every carry he's able to pinball three four
five yards if there's nothing there, crap for four yards.
And that's the runs where he isn't just clear and
getting a good sizeable gain. So I just you know,
like these ones, it's just eight are not eight yards

(34:26):
every eight yards?

Speaker 3 (34:27):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (34:27):
Absolutely, Remember your key was to build the wall, right,
I mean that's like the fundamental of the three four defensive.
The guys up front standing their ground, staying in their
gaps and holding things up. And you know, you just
when you look at it from behind, you should see
a pickt fence. You should see guys backs with their
numbers face right ahead of you, and you don't see it.
You see guys getting pushed back. You see some guys forward,

(34:48):
and that causes all kinds of creases in there.

Speaker 3 (34:50):
And that's why you're.

Speaker 2 (34:51):
Not getting cut stop paw, that's what they're doing.

Speaker 3 (34:54):
So and the other thing Mike I would say is
even on the last drive, I think it was first
and goal from the seven. On that Colt's final drive,
they let him just take the snap and run a
quarterback sweep like Pop Warner, you know, and he gets
down to the two.

Speaker 8 (35:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (35:08):
Yeah, he runs well in person.

Speaker 2 (35:10):
I just you know, I think sometimes those things stand
out to you know, like you see somebody like in person,
like he's got Yeah.

Speaker 3 (35:16):
I mean he had nine for forty eight and he
only had like you know, he only had this long
was thirteen. So it wasn't like they were big plays.
He's just consistently getting yardage big and it just runs well.
I was like an athlete, you know, he was as advertised.
He's erratic as hell, but he's he's talented as hell too.
I came away somewhat impressed with him today. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (35:35):
I think you had a good point saying, you know what,
if you've got the patients, and that's a big if,
especially today in the National Football League, if you've got
the patients and this kid is willing to put the
work in, you might have something here.

Speaker 3 (35:46):
Because he's got a tremendous set of tools.

Speaker 5 (35:48):
Our fans don't want to hear about Richardson.

Speaker 3 (35:51):
Well, I thought we want to hear about the game.
Now I don't want to hear about the Patriots. This
isn't the post game show.

Speaker 4 (35:56):
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of the New England Patriots, and you might.

Speaker 3 (36:02):
Need a bud light.

Speaker 4 (36:02):
After today's game, the final twenty five twenty four, the
Patriots lose in heart breaking fashion.

Speaker 3 (36:09):
What else have we hit penalties yet?

Speaker 4 (36:11):
On the bad list, Mike, this week's Garden Variety was
holding by the offensive line where they.

Speaker 3 (36:18):
Were I thought they had five? Five they had? They declined, Yeah,
you're right.

Speaker 2 (36:23):
The Darian low one got declined. Jeez, I don't know.
I mean under the banner of penalties zone and the
last drive. I mean, those are the those are the
three bad to me. I mean, I don't have a
lot bad to say about the offense other than some
of their situational play.

Speaker 3 (36:37):
Situational stuff, but that's it. I thought the offense was
really really good today, balanced run pass.

Speaker 2 (36:43):
But defensively, didn't see anything really new out of these guys.
Certainly some of the guys in the secondary that are
more talented made some plays, but at the same time, upfront.

Speaker 3 (36:51):
You're you're losing the game.

Speaker 2 (36:51):
You're getting pushed around in the run game, and you
know you just weren't able to impact the quarterback.

Speaker 3 (36:55):
That three and out after the Gonzales.

Speaker 4 (36:57):
Picked though, was oh, faithful, faith was all right? So
Paul Fred wants to talk about the Patriot, doesn't want
us to talk about Richardson. That's fine, a good shout,
So let's talk about you know, we're looking for hope
here down the stretch.

Speaker 5 (37:11):
Are we done with the bad or does anyone else
get to do it? Or it's just just Paul.

Speaker 3 (37:15):
Again, Like you've even really mean to me.

Speaker 2 (37:21):
Do you have any bad thread that we haven't planned out?

Speaker 3 (37:23):
Well?

Speaker 5 (37:23):
I think that I said it early. I didn't see
any quickness to the ball.

Speaker 3 (37:27):
I think I think you did say that.

Speaker 5 (37:29):
I think there was the runs from the linebackers. The
safety just wasn't there. It was slow today. I don't
know why. You know, we saw Peppers in there, Maybe
you know he's not ready for game action. Perhaps Mapu
was out, But I just didn't see the run support
filling those gaps. And I think, you know, Taylor before

(37:49):
he first contact, he already had three or four yards
too often. And that was a big thing that started early.
I saw that early, you know, and so that to me,
that was that was a bad and I think that's
for the Patriots, that's where the game was lost because
there was only two things they had to worry about.
Those long shots by Richardson, which a lot of them

(38:10):
he missed on his own or they dropped, and Taylor's running. Yeah,
and you know, like I said, Richardson helped him out
on the long shots, but the Patriots did not do
the job with Taylor.

Speaker 4 (38:24):
I think one of the things that's just so frustrating
is knowing that they've got to drive the field eighty
yards and really predominantly. I mean, there was some mixing
in there, right, Paul. You can give us a breakdown
and run versus pass on that final drive, but that
one's going to be on Richardson. And you know, I
think as a Patriot fore and you would have said,
I'll take our chances here. You know, he's not going
to lead him on an eighty yard drive unless he

(38:44):
hits a sixty yarder.

Speaker 8 (38:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (38:46):
No, But they went nineteen plays down the field. He
orchestrated that, and so here's take a chance.

Speaker 5 (38:53):
Here's another thing I want to talk about a little.
On the defense. It seems like a lot of times
throughout this season it's not for lack of effort, but
the Patriots are out of position a lot. It's almost
like they're guessing wrong on defense communication. So I look
at Covington and I've heard some people say, and I
don't know if it's true. You know, when we watch

(39:14):
these games, we don't we can't tell. But I've heard
some people say he's asking them to do too much.
He's not keeping it simple, he's trying to be too
you know, ul multiple, so multiple, you know, and then
that leads to communication issues and being out of position.
I don't know if it's true, but often it does
look that way.

Speaker 3 (39:34):
I mean, don't you have numbers, Mike that suggest they
play like man more than most teams.

Speaker 2 (39:40):
Second amount, they had the second second highest rate of
man coverage in the league. Yeah, So, I mean that's
been pretty much. I mean early on they were playing
like they kind of do a.

Speaker 3 (39:47):
Lot of the same stuff. Well, but I'm not telling
you you're wrong. I wouldn't how would I know if
it's but playing.

Speaker 5 (39:53):
But just because your zone doesn't mean it's all the same.
It's there's differences in how you play that. And you heard.

Speaker 3 (39:59):
Me, I think they're in base defense a lot. But
you heard me that way. See, now that's that's a
bigger change.

Speaker 5 (40:04):
You heard Mayo say early, you know, a few weeks ago.
You know, we're a game plan team. He's referring to
the defense, meaning every game it depends on the matchups,
and you know, you could have a different role as
a player in each game. And so I like, I
don't know, we don't have that information, but it does
seem like like today, for example, it just seems like

(40:25):
they're out of position a lot.

Speaker 3 (40:26):
Like I'll say, the touchdown, the first touchdown you can
take there was there you got you're gonna plit from
from LS up, you know. And I think TV's in
a tough spot there because he's got to respect the
quarterback's ability to run and he comes up and no one,
there's nobody there to cover Jonathan Taylor, right, Like, I'm
pretty sure that this isn't the way it's designed.

Speaker 4 (40:47):
And he could have thrown it to ten too, because
he was wide open as well if you wanted to.

Speaker 3 (40:51):
I mean, that's a pretty easy touchdown right there. That
shouldn't be that easy.

Speaker 5 (40:55):
And it's Taylor, it's the one guy you really kind
of have to worry that.

Speaker 3 (40:59):
It's funny because you kept saying how open he was
all day and there's he, you know, and he never
threw it to him again. I think I think that
might be his only catch fifth.

Speaker 4 (41:07):
I think they said that that was his fifth career
receiving touchdown.

Speaker 3 (41:10):
Yeah, but like they only talked to him once all day.
Fred said that that was available.

Speaker 5 (41:14):
Every time he out, you know, and Richardson the play
was obviously designed you know, downfield, but he would leak
out and there would be no one covering him.

Speaker 4 (41:25):
Yeah, Chris, can you bring that back a little bit
to the beginning of that play because I think this
speaks to the communication issues running.

Speaker 3 (41:30):
So I will say they did. They ran this quick,
and I don't think the Patriots were ready, no, and I.

Speaker 4 (41:34):
Think they struggled with tempo and they weren't going, you know,
full board, no huddle, but you know, they were getting
on the line of scrimmage and running the play and
you can just see they're not lined.

Speaker 3 (41:43):
Up, and I think they ran another play on that
drive earlier in this job, Chris, it's the same way.
So yeah, I mean I understand what Fred's talking about.
Like maybe game plan you know, I think that worked
for a lot of years here when you had really
good players and maybe, well it's a little hard to
be different every week.

Speaker 5 (42:03):
And I know we aren't allowed to say it anymore,
but we also had a coach who would be able
to take complex schemes and simplify them for each player,
so each player knew exactly what they needed to do
that part of it, and they would get in trouble
even then when you tried to do more. Yeah, and
I maybe that's you know, guys are like I said,

(42:24):
it's not for lack of effort. It's just guys trying
to make plays, and you know, trusting what they're seeing
instead of trusting what they've been told to do.

Speaker 2 (42:35):
I just wonder how many defenses in the NFL are
game plan defenses. We'll call themselves game plan defenses would
say we try to switch it up every week, and
and to me as much as yes, the players, but
also like Fred, you said, like which coach is.

Speaker 3 (42:47):
Deciding the game?

Speaker 2 (42:48):
Plan every week, and you know, a first year defensive
coordinator coming up with what he thinks is the secret
sauce for each team. It's a lot different than Bill
Belichick coming up with what the secret sauces and communicating
that to the players. So I do It's something we've
talked about on PU a little bit of do they
simplify the defense this year and just get back to
an identity of like this is what we make it,
you know, being a jack of all trades when really

(43:11):
you're not really a master of anything. You're just kind
of cost playing each individual role that you're trying to
throw out there.

Speaker 3 (43:17):
Today. We're a dime defense? Are you such a nerd?

Speaker 7 (43:21):
All right?

Speaker 3 (43:22):
Have we emptied the bad list bucket? I think so?
I think so unless and just can I just say
one thing though, I just you could say anything like
I told you anybody.

Speaker 2 (43:32):
Richardson running it right up the gut of your defense
for the two point conversion. I just I took a
little exception to that. I just think you know, we
talked about devonk Gotcha's he'd been you know, would would that.

Speaker 3 (43:41):
Be your play call? If Vince Wilfork was.

Speaker 2 (43:43):
In the middle, probably not. You know, it's just just
a little punch in the face that I don't like.
Like that that that that's how they did it right,
Just boom, We're going to go right up the middle,
and we were going to win the game, I know.

Speaker 4 (43:53):
And twenty plays with the penalties and everything like that,
you have to believe that at some point in time
the Patriots were gassed a little bit, wouldn't you. They
were on the field for a long time.

Speaker 3 (44:04):
Barmore got pancaked on that play. You see that, You
want to take another look at it, or yeah, we can.
I think he's just short of a couple of times.
But if you watch Barmore booms, whoa, whoa, whoa, you
see him go back.

Speaker 2 (44:16):
I did back into the left.

Speaker 3 (44:18):
Red red sleeves, watch the red sleeves back like he
got a guy.

Speaker 5 (44:22):
Oh yeah, he got run.

Speaker 3 (44:23):
Out fifty six. I think is Quenton Nelson, Hey, Quinton.

Speaker 5 (44:27):
Good player, all pro.

Speaker 3 (44:29):
Yeah, although it's not as much of it now that
I'm looking at from the backside. He tripped over a cold.

Speaker 2 (44:34):
Tried to sneak up the back.

Speaker 4 (44:36):
I'm not privy to injury information as I'm not in
the press box. Besides Henry going out for a minute,
Anthony Jennings went out, But both those guys came back.

Speaker 3 (44:46):
Pastic Gonzales, I think they all but I think they
all returned right, correct, all three of those guys. They
didn't make any announcements in the press box on any
of them.

Speaker 4 (44:56):
Okay, So there you have it, the good the bad.
There a category for frustration. Do you think that should
be maybe for this year's team?

Speaker 5 (45:05):
Why are you frustrated because of some bad things?

Speaker 4 (45:10):
They just continued to beat themselves. It's a it's a
self fulfilling prophecy. It looks like how many of them.
I'm stunned, really that Paul Prillo. I really am, no joke,
stunned that Paul Perlo goes, Oh, they're gonna win this game.

Speaker 3 (45:22):
I don't like.

Speaker 4 (45:23):
I don't see how like I didn't say once they
got once they got the ball in their hands, like
you just figured there's going to be a penalty or something,
some self inflicted.

Speaker 3 (45:32):
Well I haven't done enough.

Speaker 5 (45:34):
The Colts were going to move the ball in that
last possession.

Speaker 3 (45:36):
But see, I didn't. I thought if they were going
to score, it was going to be he was going
to hit one of those long I never would have
guessed they would have really nineteen.

Speaker 5 (45:43):
I figured they'd move it, but I just didn't think
they'd get in the end zone, you know, because they
needed the touchdown, and I thought they'd keep them out
of the end zone and they couldn't do it.

Speaker 3 (45:52):
And I, like I said, I wasn't necessarily confident, like
the Patriots got this game, like Fred said it when
they took the leader, because you're given the note, and
I was like, no, But I just I figured if
the Colts were going to score, it was going to
be because of a big play. And then when Gonzales
comes up with the pick and the Patriots get the ball,
I'm like, and I actually joked about it. I said,
they've moved the ball every time they've had it today

(46:14):
they haven't punted once. I'll watched this be a three
and out, and I never thought for a second that
would be a three and out. If it was, it
was a bad three.

Speaker 4 (46:21):
And quite honestly, that was the key sequence of the game,
because once you did that, you invited the.

Speaker 3 (46:27):
Colts to take the ball down the field and score, right.

Speaker 2 (46:29):
I'd say you would, you know, let's say the team, well,
this is a young team and they got to learn
to take advantage of those opportunities. And so, you know,
I think if you're highlighting for Drake May and this
offense where it looks like, you know, they are making
some strides. So I think I feel good about that.
Like I really feel good today about just what we
saw from Drake in the pocket and some of those throws.
Like I tell you, I've mentioned him a couple of times,
but throw into windows and you know, just seeing the

(46:52):
field right, you know, that's what was back this week,
and hopefully he can settle in.

Speaker 3 (46:56):
Six third downs four hundred and twenty two yards twenty
four for thirty two hundred and thirty eight yards throwing.
They had the running game, but it's hard to feel
bad about a lot offensively today. They just didn't finish
the drives.

Speaker 5 (47:10):
Now, Pop going into the game was injured.

Speaker 3 (47:13):
He was on the injinet court, yep.

Speaker 5 (47:15):
And I think he might have been a game time decision.
I don't know, but I think I think he was hampered.
I think they missed him a little bit today. You know,
as one of the tools and Drake's tool belt.

Speaker 3 (47:28):
What are you looking for? What you look I mean
a cuff four balls.

Speaker 5 (47:32):
But I'm talking about when you get close down there,
like he's not getting.

Speaker 3 (47:35):
Open away, get ready, touchdown right, he's five. He's a
threat to score every time he touches the ball. Paul,
don't forget like I like, I have really nothing bad
to say about the offense now, I thought, but they
did what they wanted to do every single possession but one.

Speaker 4 (47:50):
Right, So we're going to take a quick time out here.
When we come back, I want to talk about the
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Speaker 4 (52:27):
Welcome back to the Patriots postgame Show presented by DraftKings.
Patriots lose today twenty five twenty four, our gut wrenching
loss here at Jillette Stadium. Uh they fall to three
and ten after losing to the Colts today. Eight five
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can electronic mails podcast at Patriots dot com I want
to talk about the penultimate drive for the Patriots where

(52:49):
they go three and out. I believe Chris and Josh
have those plays for US. So first and ten, uh,
they run it for two yards. I think anybody got
a problem with that.

Speaker 3 (52:59):
One first down? No, no, not really.

Speaker 5 (53:03):
I wish Gibson ran it.

Speaker 4 (53:06):
Okay again, there's no there's no hole or anything like that.
Second and eight, you're at midfield, seven twenty left to
go on the clock, and it's another one where he
got that play.

Speaker 5 (53:24):
And we need to follow up.

Speaker 3 (53:25):
I just want to say, because Matt, I think, was
talking about the play calling and I would have a
problem with that play. Well, I'm not talking about the play.

Speaker 4 (53:31):
I want to talk about it's play calling and its execution.

Speaker 3 (53:34):
Yea, not a running down in the NFL. Okay, that's
all I will say.

Speaker 4 (53:38):
All right, But here's my try to battle the clock
a little bit there too.

Speaker 3 (53:42):
It's seven minutes later, is not in play? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (53:45):
On the did you see what they did on the
punt where they milked it all the way down to
one second before ray guy let it go desperate?

Speaker 3 (53:53):
But Fred Fred has a lot No, no, no, they were
they have been, but they were they were worried about
the clock. That's my point. Yes, that's probably why they
ran the ball like the object is to end the game.
If they got like fifteen yards, the game's over slides
kicking a field goal. It's a two score game. That
should have been the goal. But anyway, Fred has been

(54:13):
very critical of the running back.

Speaker 5 (54:16):
Yeah, I think I think Remandre's was a good runner.
I think his his abilities have lesson ever since he
had that fumbling. Still got it, you know, he's still
doing it, but too often you see him with his
back to the to the field at the end of
a run and he's almost like backing into the line sometimes.

(54:39):
I think a lot of it is the fear of fumbling.
His style has changed, and I think the same thing
happened with Stephen Ridley back in the day. You know,
when he was running free, he was he was much
more elusive, but he was fumbling the ball and he
changed his style, and I think Remandre's doing that too
too often, where he finishes the play and his back

(55:01):
is to the line, and it tells me that he
gets in there, he's just so afraid of exposing that
ball that he's using his body to shield it and
he loses any ability to pick up, you know, a
couple extra years.

Speaker 4 (55:13):
So let me count to that. And I think that's
a very good observation that you're making. I think where
you see that happen is when you're playing with an
inexperienced offensive line where there's not a lot of starting
caliber players that are on the on playing for the
Patriots at this time, when he's met the backfield or
he's meant after just a yard gain, I do believe

(55:34):
he does that more often than not.

Speaker 3 (55:35):
Paul.

Speaker 4 (55:36):
You've got the play by play probably up in front
of us. What was the first play of the game.
Did he run for thirteen or something like that. It
was a well designed play. He hit the hole hard. No,
he's gone. It was on their first drive. He had
a big run.

Speaker 3 (55:51):
Yeah, but like it's not there. It is right here. Okay,
but it first of all, it's second and five, so
it's a it's a little different. That's my point is,
watch him hit though there's a hole and he hits.
But it's one play in the game.

Speaker 4 (56:03):
I'm just saying, I think I know exactly what Fred's saying.
But there are times if it's blocked up, then he shows, well,
is there.

Speaker 3 (56:13):
A guy in the league that doesn't get thirty five?

Speaker 7 (56:16):
Right?

Speaker 3 (56:16):
Yeah, Like, let's not make it out to be that
Ramadre Stevenson made that thirty five.

Speaker 5 (56:20):
Remember remember early and this is during the four game
or five game fumble spree. What was he doing that
was great.

Speaker 3 (56:27):
Breaking tackle, He was breaking tackles.

Speaker 5 (56:29):
He was still getting hit in the backfield, but he
was breaking tackles and ripping off four or five yard runs.
He stopped doing that now.

Speaker 4 (56:36):
So you're saying, has the fumbling problem led to a
lack of aggression.

Speaker 5 (56:40):
I think so.

Speaker 3 (56:42):
Now, I would say, Matt, I would be with you
in terms of that story. He runs over a guy.

Speaker 4 (56:47):
Now, he wasn't breaking a tackle there, but he lowered
his head and ran over a guy to pick up
an extra but again the previous fight.

Speaker 3 (56:53):
But I would just say I would agree with you
in terms of his production. His production is not on him.
His production is on a lack of blocking. Against Cincinnati,
he ran for a million yards and they had the numbers.
It was like less than a yard before contact. Like
he was breaking tackles in the backfield on a consistent basis.

(57:14):
I would say that. But Fred's right about him turning
his back and I'm sorry. Six fumbles is ridiculous, Yes, yep. Six,
Like just because you get some of them back doesn't
mean they don't happen. Like that can't happen. The other
guy's running better. They don't block it any better for
the other guy. He was pinballing off of guys today,

(57:35):
breaking tackles. He had that one run on like the
second and long that he like, he.

Speaker 2 (57:41):
Literally was like a pink dad like then the touchdown.

Speaker 3 (57:43):
Pinball back and forth, you know now, like this is like, again.

Speaker 5 (57:48):
I don't blame him for that.

Speaker 3 (57:49):
I'm not putting the production on him, Like, look at
that two guys, that's a third one. But I'll say
that if we can go back to that previous play guys,
that was a third and one. Watch this. This is
a horrible play call. It's third and one? Why are
we going laterally, Like this is the stuff that is
really driving me crazy. And again I want to praise

(58:12):
them when they give me a wrinkle, like putting Jacoby
Brissett under center and then running a little end around
the next time they got a third and short, Like
can we really not put Drake may under center and
run a quarterback sneak like everybody else. That's a good question.

Speaker 4 (58:26):
There was an unathletic guy that was to make a
living off of just leaning over one of the two
guards and getting the half yard of the yard that
needed to get but running laterally.

Speaker 3 (58:34):
On third and one, you know, on a situation like
that where I'm thinking of myself, well, you have two
downs to get this unless you lose three yards on
the first one, then you got to kick the field goal.
And by the way, that was another juncture of the
game that they failed to take control. That was after
the first pick that that third and one happened. They

(58:54):
went three and out, and Mike, what did they end
up getting? Pick three? Pick three? Like, you can't have those.

Speaker 4 (59:00):
Right, And so then just to close the loop on it,
on that penultimate drive, Chris, second and eight, Paul clearly
thrilled with the playball. So we're so now we're third
and third and ten on this next one, gotta have it,
got to throw it and break nobody.

Speaker 3 (59:21):
Open third and ten and a break. I mean you
have a jail break because it's third and ten. So
let me ask you this. On second and eight, right,
your quarterback went twenty four to thirty. What do you
think the odds are that he's going to throw two
incomplete passes in a row right on second and second?

Speaker 2 (59:38):
And I like the way of framing it.

Speaker 3 (59:39):
That's the same thing I thought. I mean, I didn't
think of it that way, Paul.

Speaker 2 (59:41):
But it's he's throwing the ball, well, let's go get it.
It goes back to that aggressiveness talk we had in
the pregame.

Speaker 3 (59:47):
Show, and to me, it's a fundamental flaw that they're
thinking about running clock because I think Matt's right. I
think they're thinking we'll run it, we'll run clock, we'll
run clock. That's not what they should have been thinking.
First of all, it was too early for four minute offense.
There's over seven minutes, right, they were thinking about running clock.
There's no doubt in my mind bring.

Speaker 4 (01:00:05):
That back of second or show if you would, Chris,
and you see they baroner punch this. They snapped the ball,
I know three second mark because you're trying to bleed clock.

Speaker 3 (01:00:12):
I saw it live, Yeah, And that's bad coaching, Like
there's way too much time. Why are we worried.

Speaker 5 (01:00:17):
About the clock, especially with that defense?

Speaker 3 (01:00:19):
Like if you had a two but if you had
a two score lead, so by all means bleed clock did,
but the goal there should have been field goal range,
two score lead, five minutes left.

Speaker 4 (01:00:30):
So here's a question that needs to be asked. Do
you need to change philosophically the way you attack because
you can't trust your defense to get a stop when
you need it. Must you call it a little bit
differently here and realize this is the time to seize
the game. This is the time to seize the game.
And maybe you're a little bit more aggressive on your place, which.

Speaker 3 (01:00:49):
The greatest defense you've ever seen, eighty five Bears. If
I had the eighty five Bears defense, I would not
be playing to bleed clock with seven and a half
minutes left up.

Speaker 4 (01:00:58):
Seven might change it with if you had the eighty finals.

Speaker 5 (01:01:00):
It might change it with shooting game because not in
the NFL, because if you don't do it, you still
got your defense.

Speaker 3 (01:01:06):
What I'm saying is, I don't care how good my
defense is in the NFL. In that situation, more often
than not, the offense moves the ball and you're holding on.
Whether they score or not is up for debate. But
you said it, Fred, you expected the Colts to move
the ball down the field. I expected them to hit
a big play. But either way, I expected them to
have success because why in the NFL, the team that's

(01:01:29):
trailing and that's always has success. Now, they might not
always make the field goal, or they might not always
get in the end zone when they need a touchdown,
but they're gonna go fifty yards and get in a
position to do so. That's just the way that it
goes in that league. Right, Like, I don't care how
good the defense is. You can't sit there and say
I'm good. I'm gonna rely on my defense. And I

(01:01:50):
think that that they got into that a little bit,
we're just gonna bleed clock. I just again, your quarterback
was as on point today as you could be. Put
it in his hands, let him see if he can
get a first down, and don't wait for third and
ten so that jail break comes because you're not Your
protection's not gonna hold up in obvious passing situations.

Speaker 4 (01:02:11):
Eight five to five Pats five hundred. Brandon from Dallas, Texas.
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Speaker 19 (01:02:17):
Hi, Brandon, I'm a question for all and then do
you think that Alex Austin after this good performance today
is like long term number two corner and then they
go onto the You don't.

Speaker 3 (01:02:35):
I don't. I think he played I think he played
well today, and I think he took a step forward.
But no, I have to see a lot more than
one game before I'm willing to say he's a starting
caliber cornerback. But he played well today, He's got he
earned a spot I think on on everyone's good list today. Yeah,
I thought he was.

Speaker 5 (01:02:52):
Let's see what happens when they play against Josh Allen
and and you know Herbert, you know it's going to
be a little different.

Speaker 13 (01:03:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:03:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 19 (01:03:06):
And then for the A v. P, how are you're
getting mad at him for not running the ball like
up the middle. I just feel like and that circumstance
happened to the A and M in Texas too, just
with the superior D line that the Colts had, I
don't think it would have worked at all in any
of those situations.

Speaker 3 (01:03:24):
Okay, Brandon, thank you for the phone call. I mean
I think that you're accentuating the defensive line and who
made the play to Forrest Buckner, Like you go lateral
and you're giving those guys a chance to get penetration.

Speaker 4 (01:03:36):
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Speaker 11 (01:03:38):
Hi Eric, Okay, Hey you guys doing I'm surprised. Surprise
you guys again. I'm gonna hit on the same two
points that I hit on last week. Kyle Dugger again coverage,
same guy, same players, and obviously they're right there, play
at the game when they have it. Obviously Richardson doesn't
threaten you as much in the air as you know
to a Stafford. But again I thought he came exposed

(01:04:01):
there at the end. You got to see the development
that which we gotta want to hear about the ankle.
The guy's gotta have it. And then again, you know
you guys touched on it earlier. This I want to
call a DP. Like I said last week, you know
McDaniel's get it. Make makes it easier down there on
that red zone for t Again, the creativity. I know
we try to pass it in there, and I know

(01:04:21):
you hit this, hit this points, but again there's got
to be some creativity make it easier. We don't have
you put the clamps on Henry and Hooper down there.
You really don't have any more target, you know, as
far as guy that creates deparation, I'll tak her off
the line.

Speaker 3 (01:04:33):
But thanks God, okay, Eric, thank you very much.

Speaker 4 (01:04:35):
And I think that that was that just add that
to the pile of frustration, because, as Paul mentioned earlier
in the show, we saw creativity today. There was some
interest in the relations. No, but that's my point about
the frustration.

Speaker 3 (01:04:48):
You didn't too many runs. You didn't see it there.
And I've been sort of defensive of a VP because
we've gotten a couple of mailbag questions.

Speaker 8 (01:04:55):
Mike.

Speaker 3 (01:04:55):
I'm sure you get them too in your weeks. Would
they say, like, why are they always just running intothing?
Like I don't think they've done that today. They did today.
They just wanted to run the ball between the tackles
when they got inside the ten. And I mean it
worked once when it was second and long and they
caught the cult you know, Gibson caught the Colts obviously
playing pass and it worked. I didn't like that call

(01:05:15):
either out In my defense, I was miserable on that
call too.

Speaker 2 (01:05:20):
Yeah, they did bust out the wildcat with Stevenson. Yeah,
that got call for penalty and got called back.

Speaker 3 (01:05:26):
So because a little bit of a little friend's point.
Stevenson bounced that outside. You're not supposed to. That's where
the holding call comes from, because they're not expecting you
to go wide. That's the first and goal for the two.
Hit it up in there, get north south right? Uh?
Is it possible? What wasn't dear? Yeah, but you can't
bounce it out and like that. That's when you're gonna
get a penalty, right, And then they compounded it by

(01:05:48):
getting another holding penalty on the next blake. You know
what I'd like to see in the red zone a
little bit touchdown.

Speaker 4 (01:05:52):
Let's go back to the preseason and the Drake may
uh keeper on that you.

Speaker 3 (01:05:57):
Know, play action.

Speaker 4 (01:05:58):
Let's just let's take you a little Drake May there,
Fred calling for one.

Speaker 3 (01:06:02):
Didn't you say quarterback draw naked bootlegs? Yea, yeah, that's
what you said. I agree with both of you guys,
and I kind of thought they were set in stage
for that a little bit this week the way they
talked about it.

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Time caller, four years in Japan. You guys are the
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you guys do. I just got a couple points. One
forest through the trees. I flew the boy up here
last year forty five nothing against the Saints. We are improving.
It's a product that's worth watching. We're stoked leaving the game.

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There's a lot to be excited for. My question is
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Dallas Jets and somebody else. This is a team to
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(01:07:21):
off the air.

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That's a collar of the day right there, make color
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Speaker 5 (01:07:27):
I was talking to Evan Bzar before the game. You know,
we get up there and we we talk talk. If
you're a general manager, this is a good position. And
obviously Elliott Wolf is the GM. But if you're a
general manager, this is a team that you'd want to say, Yeah,

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I can do something with this. You've already got your quarterbacks.
You don't need to worry about that. You got a
ton of money, You're gonna have high draft picks. This
is a team that you can build. There's a lot
of potential here for a general manager who knows what
he's doing right, And I'm not saying Elliott doesn't. So
I'm saying the future can be bright.

Speaker 4 (01:08:07):
And I'll jump I'm not saying. I'm not saying the
future isn't bright. And here's the only thing I would say,
Matt from DC is right in the money, you know,
there's something to build on. Look at the forest, through
the trees. There was a tree that was ready to
be cut down. Today today they could have cut the
tree down and they whift. Yeah, but that's a frustrating,
that's all I know.

Speaker 5 (01:08:27):
But winning games isn't part of the It's good for morale,
and you want to win games, but that's not the
most important thing. The most important thing. We all said
this at the beginning of the season. It's Drake may
I think we all believe right now, we've got our guy, right, We've.

Speaker 3 (01:08:45):
Got our guy cursh Cohen important.

Speaker 5 (01:08:47):
And that was the main thing that we were worried
about coming out of this season.

Speaker 3 (01:08:51):
If you just hut that on We've been Sports Boston,
you'd get savaged tomorrow on Sorry Media, we hursh Winning
non important.

Speaker 5 (01:08:59):
We've checked that box. Okay, So now it doesn't matter
if we won three games this year or seven games
or ten games. If May wasn't going to be our guy,
he's our guy. So now we can go into twenty
twenty five knowing we've got the quarterback. Let's build around him.
We have the tools to do that. We're not hampered,

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so the future is bright.

Speaker 4 (01:09:25):
From that perspective, I can't call the twenty twenty four
season a success if the only thing you can hang
your hat on is that you found the QUARTERBA.

Speaker 3 (01:09:35):
What was your expectation that. Here's my expectation.

Speaker 4 (01:09:38):
And I think and I said this to the pregame show,
and Mike eloquently mentioned this about five weeks ago.

Speaker 3 (01:09:45):
I'm old enough.

Speaker 4 (01:09:46):
To remember, as are you to remember what happened at
the end of the.

Speaker 3 (01:09:48):
Ninety three season. I want to see a.

Speaker 4 (01:09:50):
Team that's trend a team that's trending upward. You knew
you had the guy Withdrew. So I want to see
a team that's moving in the right direction. I don't
see that part yet. I want to see a team
down the stretch that's a pain in the ass to play.
I think they were a bit of a pain in
the ass today. It was marked improvement. You could only
go really up from the Miami game. So that's a positive.
I think to back then is unfair. There was a

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lot more talent. Yes, that's true, especially on defense.

Speaker 5 (01:10:15):
But I think that if you look at if you
look at these games, there are several games that they
were in it, they were competitive, and I you know,
you clean up those penalties, you build a better offensive line,
and this year you would have had seven or eight wins.

Speaker 3 (01:10:34):
And seven or eight wins, yeah, you think they were
close to getting seven or eight wins this.

Speaker 5 (01:10:39):
Year with Drake May's quarterback and a better offensive line.

Speaker 3 (01:10:42):
Oh sorry, so a whole different, tired cast of character. Yeah,
I'm saying I can't. I can't dispute that then.

Speaker 5 (01:10:47):
Right, with a better offensive line with Drake and quarterbacks,
and I think I think starting Drake earlier as part
of it. So I think even now you're seeing glimmers
of a team that that can win some games if they,
you know, make some moves next year.

Speaker 4 (01:11:05):
So what I like about today's game was there to
be one that was mad from Japan?

Speaker 3 (01:11:10):
Yes, both things I think can be the future can
be bright. And I know by Mike's face he ain't listen.

Speaker 5 (01:11:17):
You have to draft well and you have to be
smart and free agency.

Speaker 4 (01:11:21):
Yeah, expand expand, Well, you're you're you, I would say
what I What I like about what Fred's saying, you
know about the call is like they have the resources
to do the things that they need to do.

Speaker 3 (01:11:36):
And what another positive is they're going to have a
top five pick and they're not locked into a position,
Like they don't have to take a left tackle, they
don't have to take a wide receiver on the screen
right now. They can legitimately take what they deem to
be the best player right because they're not like they
don't need a quarterback and they're not they and I
know this sounds like I'm damning with faint praise, but

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they need literally everything else correct. So they can pick
legitimately what they think and it should be the best
player and they have to hit on it. But I
want to get back to something you guys talked about.
Like Matt said, I can't deem this to be a
successful season if the only thing that comes out of
it is you got the quarterback, and you said, what
are the expectations, And I would say I would have

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expected with the third overall pick to get more than
one draft pick, And right now it kind of looks
like you got one draft pick and Drake May you
put a rookie in there today, got two more holding calls,
struggled again. The other offensive lineman you took in the
draft still isn't back on the field. If those things
can manifact, I don't necessarily care about being a pain

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to play against in the last four games or winning
the games, but you need to have some young players
that start playing well. That's the difference between the ninety
three team. The ninety three team had a bunch of
young guys that wasn't a good team. They were two
and fourteen in ninety two, and they started one and
eleven in ninety three. They didn't have talent. They drafted
the talent in the talent started to play well as

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the year went on. He was young guys like Chris Slade.
You know, there weren't a lot of Bruce Armstrong's on
that team that were really good. Coach was still young,
Slade was young. You know, they go out in ninety
four and draft McGinnis. That's when the good players started
to come. But really it was Michael Timpson and Drew
Bledsoe in the in the passing game. You know, they

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didn't they didn't have a whole lot on that team,
but they got better.

Speaker 5 (01:13:29):
But the line wasn't this bad. You got to admit that, Fred, they.

Speaker 3 (01:13:33):
Had NFL players, So I would say that they were
better off. Like, but this is what I'm saying, Like
when you said seven or eight wins and I was
like what And then you said, well, if they had
a different offensive line, literally yeah, four different guys. Okay,
because so when he was the only one that I
would say is the starting player? All right?

Speaker 4 (01:13:46):
So Robinson played today. Robinson was flagged for two holds today.
I'm sorry again, I'm watching the TV copy. Did anybody
look at him? Where it's okay to see Drake may
make mistakes because he's a rookie. He's being graded on
a curve. Is the same grade in system applied to
Laydon Robinson, of course. Okay, so is it possible if

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he played Let's just say, I don't know how many
offensive players were Let's say there's sixty snaps today. Is
it possible he was pretty good on fifty snaps and
not really good on the other ten, including the two holes.
I'm not smart enough were good enough to grade his
offensive line play.

Speaker 3 (01:14:21):
But that would go through. That would be a bad
day for an offensive line. Okay, that's the case. Now.
I am not even going to pretend to tell you
how many plays that he didn't do his job today.
I think that they ran the ball well, I don't
think that was necessarily a result of great blocking, and
the pass protection was a train wreck all day. Like,
there was four more sacks and a lot of immediate
pressure today that he ran out of the pocket to avoid. Right,

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how many times did you run around buying time? Mike
was saying, like, especially in the first half, Mike Mike said,
like it's so fun when he just he gets out
of the pocket and that guy thinks he's gonna get you,
and he's like, I know, I'm like it's a little
bit of a poem to take may but like they
never get them. It's like five yards around me.

Speaker 5 (01:15:02):
And that's the thing we've we've been we've been almost
accustomed now it's it's almost been normalized that he's not
going to have time and he's gonna run when that
shouldn't be normal. Correct, that shouldn't be normal. He should
have his three seconds.

Speaker 3 (01:15:17):
And I'm not putting out all on Leaden Robinson. I
don't know. He might have done a really good job today.
I'm sure there'll be reals telling me that he was great.

Speaker 5 (01:15:24):
But you can look at that, you can look at
the production from May today and say, oh, the line
must have not been that bad.

Speaker 3 (01:15:30):
Well, you got sacked four times.

Speaker 5 (01:15:32):
I know, I know one of them he ran like
it was a run. But but Fred, he I had
to because well, that's what I'm That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:15:41):
He's given himself up. But you know he had another
play that he was in the middle of getting sandwich
by two guys and jumped and just threw it away.

Speaker 5 (01:15:48):
That's what I'm saying. This is all May, It's all
all May. You know you can't say, well, the line
couldn't have been that bad, look at it. It's because
of May.

Speaker 3 (01:15:57):
So now it's got put it, put it.

Speaker 5 (01:16:00):
And I'm not saying a great line. I'm not saying
you put the Dallas Cowboys line of you know when
they had all those guys. I'm just saying, you put
a good line in front of May and now we're rolling.
We're rolling.

Speaker 3 (01:16:12):
Now you give him a semblance of protection, and my
guess is he's going to be able to to do
what he did today a lot. Mike, did you want
to interested there? You look like you're well, no, I mean,
it's more general.

Speaker 2 (01:16:21):
It's just I just I can't help but think about
the contrast from last year's Colts game when they the
defense kind of like he came out of that feeling like, man,
we got defense, if they could just score a touchdown,
we'd be all right. And now here we are the
complete opposite a year later. And you know, I agree
with everything everybody said, but I just think, to me,
that illustrates how quickly things can change, and you can

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draft talent. They've they've they've got to be on top
of it this year. Everything Paul said about this class
is true.

Speaker 3 (01:16:48):
So we've got to have a great year.

Speaker 5 (01:16:49):
And the difference between last year and this year was
Bill Belichick, let's face it on defense and Steve Belichick.

Speaker 3 (01:17:01):
Tommy Debido, Yeah no, no, no, Mitch Trubisky, but Paul
fair enough, Zach Wilson, same team.

Speaker 5 (01:17:10):
With this defensive staff, I think they wouldn't.

Speaker 3 (01:17:14):
Have to Devido wouldn't have scored any more than ten.

Speaker 5 (01:17:17):
But I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:17:18):
I don't think that.

Speaker 5 (01:17:19):
I think this team would have made more mistakes than
last year's team.

Speaker 3 (01:17:22):
Maybe, but they wouldn't have. Those guys wouldn't have scored
against this team, not.

Speaker 5 (01:17:26):
The way that they scored today. But I'm just saying
that's a big different Coaching was a big difference.

Speaker 3 (01:17:32):
I just think they faced a lot of backup quarterbacks
last year and they made they made they made their
hay beaten up on the week, and they made it
look a lot better than it was. Absolutely, even like
that that Denver game late in the year that they
won and everybody was shocked they went to Denver and win.
Do you remember Russell Wilson, who was completely why he
had a terrible year. Do you remember the fourth quarter
that he put up when he had two touchdowns and

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two point conversions to tie the game? People remember that,
That's that's one of the rare starting quarterbacks that you
saw that you beat. What was Richardson's percentage today? Please fifty? Okay?

Speaker 4 (01:18:04):
Well for twenty four right Canada, Chris writes in I
don't really care who, but someone needs to pay for
this pathetic effort. A winning culture is not being built here.
Somebody wants to win by the way, a loser culture
is taking hold. That's Canada, Chris, who's looking for heads.
There's a tree person as opposed to a forest person.
If we're looking.

Speaker 5 (01:18:24):
Let me tell you. If you're a Patriots fan, you
got a hope to God that Gerard Mayo is better
than what you think he is. You better hope to
God that Alex van Pelt is better than you think
he is.

Speaker 3 (01:18:35):
Because you hope that, do you think it?

Speaker 5 (01:18:37):
No, you better hope to God you're wrong. Because if
you want to start over next year again with another
offensive coordinator for Drake may And.

Speaker 3 (01:18:47):
That's that's worse. I'd be prepared for that.

Speaker 5 (01:18:49):
I hope not.

Speaker 3 (01:18:51):
I hope Mayo is not going anywhere. We know that.
I don't know about Alex van pell and I don't
think he deserves to go, but I think there's been
too much smoke there. I'm worried about that.

Speaker 5 (01:19:03):
Yeah, I think that. Now on defense, I'll listen, I'll listen. Yeah,
I think I think I think they need to upgrade
a little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:19:13):
I like frisky Freddy.

Speaker 5 (01:19:14):
No, I think they need to upgrade a little bit
on the defense there.

Speaker 2 (01:19:17):
Yeah, I mean, I think you can point to the offense.
They've made progress, They've had, you know, certain bugaboos that
have haunted them. But as I said in the pregame,
so what strides have you seen from the defense? Which
defensive players have you seen blossom? I think Gonzales carried
over his play, but otherwise you haven't seen guys really
take that next step. And I think that isn't you know?
That is an indictment on that side of the ball
to me that I don't see on the offensive side

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of the ball.

Speaker 4 (01:19:39):
Finley from Dundee Scotland writs, where do you start? Offensive
line can't take the field without killing a drive. The
defense is consistently feeled to make important stops game after game.
Mayo not challenging what was a drop on the Colts
final drive?

Speaker 5 (01:19:51):
That that one? We all thought it was a catch.
You need you probably we're gonna need those, you know, timeouts,
and they kind of mismanaged that a little bit later.
They could have used the timeouts a little bit better.

Speaker 3 (01:20:04):
If you.

Speaker 5 (01:20:07):
Lose that challenge and now you have one less time
out when you're gonna need three going down the end.
So I think it was a good non challenge. Everybody
thought his hands were under the ball, but now a
lot of people watching TV said, the tip of the
ball hit the ground. That does not constitute a drop.
The ball has to move if he's got.

Speaker 3 (01:20:26):
Control, and ground has to help him catch the right
and I don't think it if.

Speaker 5 (01:20:30):
He's gout control of the ball and it hits the
ground and it doesn't move, it's still a catch.

Speaker 4 (01:20:35):
Stephan in Germany, Hey, guys, may may be able to
overcome the dismal offensive line with his running ability and
his quick decision making a quick release, but he cannot
overcome the offensive line, sloppy play all around, and the
defense that can't stop a nosebleed. At least, the game
was entertaining and nothing like the stinker these two teams
put up last season. In Frankfurt, the Patriots snatched an

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l from the jaws of a w by for now
says Stefan from Frankfurt. Did they snatch an l from
the jaws of victory today?

Speaker 3 (01:21:05):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:21:06):
Absolutely?

Speaker 3 (01:21:06):
OK, I agree. Just want to make sure you guys
were talking about like so it doesn't look that bad
in the offensive line and whatnot. And I think you're
also if you think that way, you're ignoring all the
holding calls, like it was four sacks, five holds like that's.

Speaker 5 (01:21:23):
And we talked about this hot where a lot of
times holding is because you're getting beat, so you hold
and you're getting beat because the other guy's beating you
because you're not that good. So but I think that's fixable.
I think that's fixable.

Speaker 3 (01:21:38):
They need to address the offensive line this year. They
chose not to last year, and that was a mistake. Yeah,
that was a mistake.

Speaker 2 (01:21:46):
And my guess is what Mike, Mike's not I'm just
watching another play where it seems like Born and Henry,
I mean, I don't know, guys, a couple crossing the
right right into each other and.

Speaker 4 (01:21:54):
They was a concept.

Speaker 3 (01:21:58):
Concept and then they didn't.

Speaker 5 (01:22:01):
There was a mesh point, too much traffic right there,
right and somebody said that they called the wrong play
for a zone defense. But that's not that doesn't look good.

Speaker 4 (01:22:11):
No, that doesn't the proverbial mesh concept. Kevin from England writes,
what are they scared of?

Speaker 3 (01:22:16):
What's up? Guys?

Speaker 4 (01:22:17):
I'm sick to death of the over conservative offensive play
calls in the fourth quarter of games this season. We
looked like we had a pretty effective offense all game,
but off the back of the gonzo pick is the
usual A v P takes a game out of Drake's hands.
Well by being so terrified, we barely even get the
ball back to do anything. On the whole for three
quarters was a much better game other than the offensive
line being committed to operations tanks so frustrating.

Speaker 5 (01:22:40):
Here's something I'll say about these receivers and why you
might feel okay being a little bit more you know aggressive.
I don't see a lot of drops by our receivers.
You see cut but overall we're not a drops the
receiving corps correct. Maybe they don't get open enough.

Speaker 3 (01:22:57):
You know, or think they dropped any today?

Speaker 4 (01:22:58):
Yeah, I mean, what's Henry play at the goal line?

Speaker 3 (01:23:00):
Is that a drop? No?

Speaker 5 (01:23:02):
Yeah? So that has best problem, you know, the drops,
So like, be a little bit more aggressive if Drake
puts it in the right place. They're gonna catch it
or it's gonna be a pi right.

Speaker 2 (01:23:13):
That's what I just wanted to see there at the
end after that pick was just put it in Drake's
He's playing a great game right now.

Speaker 3 (01:23:18):
Give it to him. Let him let it put. They're
gonna stop the run.

Speaker 2 (01:23:21):
They're thinking, you're gonna do what exactly what you're about
to do, you know, give it to the kid. Let
the kid win the game. I'd love to see that
here in these last four games if they get in
that situation again.

Speaker 4 (01:23:29):
David from Madrid also wants to know should Mayo have
challenged on that play on the catch versus non catch
for a challenge pot.

Speaker 3 (01:23:38):
He clearly could have. I think it was a catch,
but doesn't mean I'm right.

Speaker 2 (01:23:42):
He said they didn't get a good look at it,
and they're waiting for a review of it to get
another replay of it.

Speaker 3 (01:23:47):
I thought the way Fred explained it, I think is
exactly right. I think his hands were underneath the ball,
and the ball does hit the ground, but his hands
are underneath it. He traps it against his body and
the ball doesn't really move. Yeah, I think that's a catch.

Speaker 5 (01:24:00):
I think it's a catch.

Speaker 3 (01:24:02):
Now. I've seen bad calls on replay, so it might
not have been a bad replay.

Speaker 5 (01:24:05):
But also it's and it was, and it was rule
to catch, so to overturn that. I don't see the evidence.

Speaker 3 (01:24:12):
I think his hands underneath, he traps it with his
arm and it's up against his chest.

Speaker 5 (01:24:16):
You do see the point of the ball sticking out.

Speaker 3 (01:24:18):
Oh, the ball hit the grounds, but I don't think
it aided him in catching the ball right exactly.

Speaker 4 (01:24:23):
David also wants to know, and I think this is
a legitimate question, how on earth are the referees missed
the head to head contact on Hunter Henry. What makes
me more or mad is that the NFL will find
the Colts player.

Speaker 3 (01:24:32):
In three days.

Speaker 4 (01:24:33):
So here's my idea. This is according to David in Madrid.
If the referee doesn't call the flag, then the NFL
can't find the player. I'm sure that will make the
NFL be harder on these terrible referees, because there's nothing
more they love than finding players.

Speaker 2 (01:24:45):
That's a good idea.

Speaker 4 (01:24:46):
Lastly, I felt that most of the flags today were
due to a lack of talent.

Speaker 3 (01:24:49):
Yeah, and I think that here's that's that. This is
a helmet to helmet hit. There's no doubt. I just
feel like like there are gonna be helmet there's gonna
be helmet contact on tackles. Like four guys in well here,
so you lost a yard, but it's the first and
goal with the two. It would have been first and
goal with the one if they called it, like, what
do you like?

Speaker 5 (01:25:06):
Yeah? Those running you know, I know that was a flip,
so technically that was a pass, but he turned into
a runner once he had the ball, and you know
he Running plays are rarely they call helmet the helmet
on running plays. They rarely do. What I hate about
that play is I hate when guys go in for
a tackle with their arms down by their side. Yeah,

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and you know that's a penalt no doubt that's a
penalty because he launched himself.

Speaker 3 (01:25:34):
But he was This is the play again, He wasn't
even looking. He throws it over the middle, he cuts
it up and he gets hit the forty five. I think,
is that a mere speed? EJ speed? A mere speed?
Is the guy used to be here right now? That's
helmet to helmet It's clear. But I just feel like
there's gonna be helmet contact on these tackles a lot.
She's just get it right under the chin. I mean

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that's to me because that's a penalty.

Speaker 5 (01:25:59):
What you're trying to do there is hit the guy,
not tackle the guy. Correct, And I think if you
do that, that's fine, but if you end up hitting
him in the helmet, it should be a flag.

Speaker 3 (01:26:07):
Yep.

Speaker 5 (01:26:08):
But but in fairness to the refs, they rarely call
those when it's like in that type of play.

Speaker 4 (01:26:14):
We had another international note who's looking for a challenge
flag from Mayo on that play that we just viewed.
This is Sean in Toronto who writes, Alex called this
one point heartbreaking loss on PU this week, and she
owes everyone an apology?

Speaker 3 (01:26:28):
Is that true?

Speaker 10 (01:26:29):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:26:30):
Did she? She did? But why does she everybody an apology?
She was right?

Speaker 4 (01:26:33):
I think she put the put the heck they're saying
they put the the mush.

Speaker 3 (01:26:37):
Yeah, she had Indie winning, but the Patriots covering. She
knew something. She seems so disappointed.

Speaker 2 (01:26:41):
I mean, I go to your thing, Paul, Like, if
you work here and you're gonna pick a one point game.

Speaker 3 (01:26:45):
Just go with the Patriots. Fred taught me long ago
that if you if you think there's a chance the
Patriots are gonna win, just pick them. What are you doing?

Speaker 8 (01:26:54):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:26:55):
What do you want to be right? But I did
this week. I thought there was a chance that they
could win this but I you were onto something. My
pick was wrong. But you get the spread. We got
the spread. Yeah, we all cover the spread.

Speaker 4 (01:27:07):
Ryan in Colorado rights, is it me or these rookie
wide receivers contributing absolutely nothing to the team. Not only this,
but they are so full of themselves. One says he
has the best end of the league and can't catch
a cold. The other promise to have people in wheelchairs
stand up, and he's yet to catch anything. That's Ryan
in Colorado. I think it was another doughnut p Yeah, well.

Speaker 3 (01:27:25):
It got targeted.

Speaker 2 (01:27:26):
I almost want to see it again because it's just
I don't know if the guy's got the pulk target.
He didn't catch it. It was an incompletion, but he
just didn't look comfortable.

Speaker 3 (01:27:34):
Like he didn't look like he knew where he was
and about him kind of not about him after the Yeah,
watch the play again and watch him.

Speaker 5 (01:27:41):
Bad body on the Hooper touch on the Hooper touchdowns.
Some people were wondering if it was actually intended for Pope.

Speaker 3 (01:27:47):
I don't think it was. I think it was an
incredible throw, but I'd be curious to see. We haven't
heard from Drake yet. Maybe you know, maybe he will
get to that second. Thank you, Paul. Yeah, I was throwing.
You're trying to get Pokey a touchdown. But here's a
good question.

Speaker 2 (01:28:03):
No one like what like it's just it doesn't even
look comfortable like he just you know, it's.

Speaker 3 (01:28:06):
Like, you know, like that was one of his bad
no sense. I'm not willing to say that, especially with
the guy who right like, I think him and Booty
aren't always where it's supposed to be.

Speaker 4 (01:28:21):
Floyd and Michigan has an excellent question, in my opinion,
which side of the ball has more talented personnel, offense
or defense?

Speaker 3 (01:28:28):
I would say defense, Yeah, very slight.

Speaker 2 (01:28:32):
Because Gonzales is very talented.

Speaker 3 (01:28:34):
Does that make that kind of offense that's Drake and
then you know you yeah, they're they're a wash. But
I think, I mean, no, I agree with that. I
think Jonathan Jones, Kyle Dugar, Jabrill Peppers today, Christian Barmore,
they have more good players on defense than they do
on offense.

Speaker 4 (01:28:49):
Does that make a lot? Does that make the performance
that more?

Speaker 3 (01:28:52):
I think that's probably defense, and that's probably mister Floyd's pointy.
You think that's probably Floyd's point right. The defense should
be better because they have a little bit more talent
to work.

Speaker 4 (01:29:06):
And before we go to the podiums, this is Spie
in fredswe California, who writes, I'm with the optimistic color
Matt in general, but I just don't know how good
a coach Gerard will end up being. Let's say may
continues growing and Wolf has a good off season. With
all that, will Mayo have a real second your jump?
Or we see too many coaching decisions that are questionable.

Speaker 5 (01:29:24):
That's what we know.

Speaker 3 (01:29:26):
That's we don't know what I would like to play
the game, but I would like to know a little thing,
you know, game operation wise. So let's go back to
that drive after the Gonzo pick. Is that something where
Girod goes to a VP and says, hey, look, let's
run some clock here. Let's you know, let's let's get
the ground game. Let's let's go in to our four

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minute offense. Or is he completely hands off and it's
all up to Alex van pell.

Speaker 5 (01:29:51):
Right, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:29:52):
You know, I'm not probably not going to be a
question that gets asked, but those kinds of things because
Bill used to do that from time to time with McDaniels.
See we go and say like, all right, you got
two downs to get this heresy question.

Speaker 5 (01:30:06):
If you were an owner, would you want to know
that the answer to that question?

Speaker 3 (01:30:10):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (01:30:11):
How would you go about getting that answer?

Speaker 4 (01:30:13):
Think you go to the head coach, I asked my coach, Yeah,
and say, walk me through what happened leading into You know,
Gonzales picks a ball off and you've got the ball
with seven and change left to go in the game.

Speaker 3 (01:30:24):
We're a score.

Speaker 4 (01:30:25):
Paul believes it ends a game, so tad optimistic, but
I know where he's coming from. Why me through the
scenario there?

Speaker 3 (01:30:31):
You wanted to run clock because you thought they were
closed to ending the game. I wanted to score to
make a two score game. You don't think it would
have been the game?

Speaker 4 (01:30:38):
No, I said a two I don't know that a
two score game necessarily ends the game.

Speaker 3 (01:30:42):
That's why I score lead with five minutes left in
an NFL game, I shows you my favor It took.

Speaker 5 (01:30:49):
Them twenty plays to get that final touchdown.

Speaker 4 (01:30:52):
I know, but now you know if he hits one
of those to one of the wide receivers. But there's
a lot of there's a lot of I like my chances.

Speaker 3 (01:31:00):
I just feel like you And I'm not saying that
teams don't ever lose in that situation. But you know,
your whole next gen nonsense. You have to be like
over ninety five percent with a two score lead in
less than five minutes left in an NFL game, right,
that should be the goal. We have the ball around midfield.
Our goal should be score two first downs field goal,
kicking games over, much like Bill Belichick said, Well, actually

(01:31:23):
Tom Brady had to tell Bill Belichick in the Super Bowl,
just kick it, kick the field goal. The game's over, right, right,
because the game's over when you're up by two scores
a different team. That's all. That's all.

Speaker 6 (01:31:32):
See.

Speaker 4 (01:31:33):
Speaking of the coach and Gerid Mail, let's go inside
to the auditorium and hear his comments after the game.

Speaker 8 (01:31:40):
Again.

Speaker 22 (01:31:40):
I know I sound redundant, like we're doing a lot
of things that are good. We just need to be
more consistent. I would say penalties, and look, it's about
us penalties continue to show up, you know, both operational
and post snap, which we've got to do a better
job of. I would also say, you know, just our
red area in general, our red area offense. I think

(01:32:01):
we were one for six our rad area defense. We
weren't able to stop them there. And that's really the game.
And you talk about special teams, the miss field goal,
I thought we handled the situations the right way, the
way that we wanted to and we give ourselves a
chance to win, give ourselves a chance to win at
the end.

Speaker 8 (01:32:19):
Fire away is your hand.

Speaker 7 (01:32:20):
If you have questions, we'll go with Dan Roach in
the back.

Speaker 23 (01:32:24):
Tell you mentioned some good things from your team today.
On that nineteen play eighty yard drive, how disappointing was it?
Three fourth down conversions allowed and just not being able
to make a play and plus the two point conversion.

Speaker 22 (01:32:35):
Yeah, it's very disappointing. And you know there was some
you know, they they obviously you know, ran the bell,
ran the ball relatively well, we just didn't make the
stops that we need to.

Speaker 8 (01:32:45):
And look, that's the NFL. That's the NFL. We said
every week.

Speaker 22 (01:32:49):
So that one play here, that one play there, and
that extended drive definitely hurt. And then those guys going
for too and couldn't keep him.

Speaker 7 (01:32:56):
Out, Trada, What went into the decision at the end
to try the sixty yardfield goal versus going for a
hill Mary there?

Speaker 8 (01:33:04):
That was one hundred percent me.

Speaker 22 (01:33:06):
Look, Slide was hitting it well in pregame, and I
felt that that was the best thing to do to
help our team win the football game. Not sure what
the numbers are on hell Mary's versus the field goal there,
but that's that's what I felt was right.

Speaker 17 (01:33:21):
Coach, was there any thought to taking a time out
maybe before earlier in the drive where the Colts ultimately
scored and what was the thought possible?

Speaker 8 (01:33:27):
Absolutely there was a thought.

Speaker 22 (01:33:28):
You know, we've also you know, won a Super Bowl
here doing it the other way and keeping our timeouts
is what I thought was best for the team.

Speaker 6 (01:33:37):
Gerrod, what did you see on the on Drake's interception
down the goal line to Hunter, the.

Speaker 22 (01:33:42):
One that kind of just bounced around a little bit.
I mean, look, it's just unfortunate, and again, you know,
just in the red area in general, I would say
from you know, the entire game, we just weren't good enough,
you know, as the field starts to contract like that.
I mean the details and everyone has to be on
the same page.

Speaker 8 (01:33:57):
And we just didn't just didn't do well enough.

Speaker 9 (01:34:01):
Gerard on the twenty five yard attempt by Joey that
he missed earlier in the game, it looked like after
the kick he looked down in frustration or disbelief at something.
What went wrong? Was there something with the operation there
or was it just a miskick.

Speaker 8 (01:34:14):
Just a mishit nothing with the operation.

Speaker 16 (01:34:16):
It was a miss hit, Hi, Drod, it seemed like
you had I think it was a season high rushing
yards today on offense. Just what went into the run
game and why was it able to be so successful.

Speaker 22 (01:34:28):
Yeah, I've said all along like we have, we have
good backs and we just have to get them started.
I would say just the mentality. You know, if we
don't have a good running game, you know it starts
up front. The same thing here starts up front. And
I thought I thought Leyden actually went out there and
moved some bodies in his physicality and it definitely showed
up the entire offensive line.

Speaker 8 (01:34:45):
And that's good to see. You just gotta keep it going, Tried.

Speaker 21 (01:34:50):
You mentioned penalties off the top what's happening in the
process that's leading up to the result on Sundays where
you continue to have issues like that.

Speaker 22 (01:34:57):
Look, we know, you know with this crew the first
I think we had them the first Miami game, they
threw ten holding penalties between the two teams. So we
went in the game knowing that, you know, that's one
of the calls that they make a lot. You know,
it just comes down to look, some of them obviously
were questionable, but they called them, and we just have
to We just got to fix those mistakes.

Speaker 10 (01:35:17):
Tried your your offense had four trips inside the ten
yard line, you're to come away with one touchdown? You
know how frustrating was that? And is there anything you
can pinpoint to these you know, sudden problems in the
red zone.

Speaker 22 (01:35:26):
Now, you know, I'm gonna go back and watch the film,
but again, like we have to, I mean, it's ultimate
execution at that point in the game. Now that safety
that usually plays in a deep part of the field
out in the field now is part of the count, and.

Speaker 8 (01:35:36):
We just got to do a better job executing.

Speaker 3 (01:35:39):
Found question Chris Ryan on the left.

Speaker 24 (01:35:42):
Joe, would you categorize this as a game that guys.
You know, should should win, should be able to close up.

Speaker 22 (01:35:49):
Look, it comes down to execution. I think we should
win every game. That's just my mentality, and we just
got to get better.

Speaker 7 (01:35:56):
Last question, Josh bro.

Speaker 25 (01:36:01):
Dre there was a few minutes to go. I think
it was a third and eight catch by Mallory. Looked
like it might have wobbled from our perspective. You decided
not to challenge that, but I think you had three
timeouts at that point. Did you consider that what went
into that decision.

Speaker 8 (01:36:12):
We're waiting to see the replay.

Speaker 22 (01:36:14):
Never really got a clear shot of it, so I
didn't challenge it.

Speaker 8 (01:36:17):
Thanks us.

Speaker 3 (01:36:20):
There's your head coach Gerard Mayo.

Speaker 4 (01:36:22):
After the Patriots lose twenty five twenty four today, in
listening to coach Mayo, here's one thought that I had,
and I had it actually as a game was ending.
How much credit do the Indianapolis Colts get for winning
the game versus did the Patriots.

Speaker 3 (01:36:38):
Lose this game? I think I do think that that's
a difference. I think the Colts.

Speaker 5 (01:36:44):
If I'm a Colts fan or living in India, I
give my team credit for fighting and you know, having
a nineteen play drive at the end of the game.
You know, they made a lot of mistakes too, and
they could have easily lost that game, but they never
gave up. And just like if the Patriots had won,
I wouldn't be like saying, oh, this is the Colts
that give it. Gave it to him, might be given

(01:37:05):
credit to the Patriots.

Speaker 2 (01:37:06):
Yeah, me too. I think it goes to what Paul
was saying about Anthony Richardson's showing some potential, showing some
clutch ability in the end, and certainly he's got a
skill set that they can exploit. You know, I mean
he can run, I was I mean, I said, you
see him running personal looks amazing. But he's a big
athletic guy and he can chuck the ball downfield. So
I mean, I give them all the credit for that
last drive. I would have liked to see the Patriots
step up and make a play, but you execute that

(01:37:27):
many players go down the field, game on the line.

Speaker 5 (01:37:30):
Guys, listen, if you're just watching this and you don't
have a dog in the fight, it is an an
entertaining game.

Speaker 3 (01:37:35):
There's been a couple of those this year were analysis
it was an entertaining game.

Speaker 4 (01:37:41):
Emails Please at podcasts at Patriots dot com. This is
Doug in Connecticut, who writes at least twice so far.
In the postgame, Matt is referred to this loss as
heartbreaking and gut wrenching.

Speaker 3 (01:37:50):
I feel the.

Speaker 4 (01:37:51):
Complete opposite for these three reasons. One, the Drake is
good all in caps. I love the Drake. Two, A
higher draft position is always better than a lower draft position,
not just in the first round, but in all subsequent rounds.
And three, the more they lose, the higher the chance parentheses,
albeit low, that they replaced this JV coaching staff with

(01:38:11):
a legitimate NFL coaching staff.

Speaker 3 (01:38:13):
Ps.

Speaker 4 (01:38:14):
The defense is a far bigger problem than the offense,
and the defensive coordinator is a far bigger weakness than
the offensive coordinator.

Speaker 3 (01:38:20):
That's today today. That was true last week. The defense
wasn't far bigger problem than the offense. Both sides of
the ball were terrible last week. But today the offense
was good, the defense was. Yeah, Like, this is what
when you when you're three and ten and your bad team,
it's something different all the time. That's the frustrating thing.

(01:38:41):
And I can't get on board. I'm with Mike. I
think you said it earlier. In the show. Can't get
on board with the tank Like, no, it's better that
they lost at some point. At some point, you need
to learn how to win. You want to win, and
I think that part of the reason why they lost
today is because these guys haven't been in a position.
I think there was a thing with Jonathan Jones. You
guys were talking about saying, I'm not used to this.

(01:39:04):
I don't know why. Yeah, like you were around for
a few years where they were really good, and you've
been around for a few years where they've been really bad. Yeah,
Like this is what they've been now for the most
part since Brady left. They had one good year since
Brady left.

Speaker 4 (01:39:18):
Speaking of good, I think the consensus good grade today
all around the board was quarterback Drake may Let's listen
to the quarterback after the.

Speaker 23 (01:39:26):
Game, Drake obviously a lot of good things from the
offense today. How tough was that one to see that
unfolded the way it did.

Speaker 7 (01:39:37):
Yeah, it was heartbreaking. I think, Uh, our guys fought hard,
did a lot of good things. So coach made just
preaching in the locker room. We did a lot of
good things on film. Probably the way you guys fought
probably the defense. I thought they played their butts off,
and especially our guys up front offense and did a
great job. I think we ran football for a bunch
of yards and I think we were fishing the passing
game and just came up short. You know, it's a bummer.

(01:39:58):
It's I hate for these guys and hate for these coaches.
Were we're practicing hard or we're fighting hard and just
come up short.

Speaker 24 (01:40:08):
Drake, what did you see on the the interception down
the goal line to Unter.

Speaker 7 (01:40:12):
Yeah, just try to get to him quick and hopefully
he gets in. I think I put on the wrong shoulder.
I think may have put on the opposite should away
from the fender, and I don't think it's maybe a
completion there, but uh, you just unfortunate that it got
tipped up. So it's a bummer, Drake.

Speaker 16 (01:40:27):
We saw Jacoby over here, Huh. We saw Jacoby coming
and for one play. Is that something you guys have
been working on on the offense to kind of get
him involved and have those plays where it's maybe a
little harder to guess what you guys are doing on offense.

Speaker 7 (01:40:40):
Yeah, I just think mixing it up. So I think
going back our philosophy. Hopefully, I'm not trying to share
that information. It's glad we picked up the first down.

Speaker 10 (01:40:49):
Drake uh Draco four trips inside the ten yard Alarne
he has only come away with a one touchdown. Anything
you can pinpoint, you know, the sort of the reason
you faltered there, and just how frustrating was that.

Speaker 7 (01:40:58):
I thought we ran the ball, you know, up until
we have to go on pretty well. I think, you know,
in the passing year, I think may get through Miro progression.
It's tough down there is tight you know, tight windows,
tight throws. I'd give our guys some chances. I think
that's probably biggest thing in penalties. I think one of
you know, one of them was penalties. We get back
into like a first and goal from the twenty, and
I just can't settle for four you know, field goals
in the red zone and you know, expect to win
ball games.

Speaker 5 (01:41:21):
I know that you want what's best for the team
down the stretch, but would you have wanted that last throw.

Speaker 7 (01:41:26):
I think it's come to the coaching. You know I'm
here or you know support, you know what Coach Mayo
and the special teams guys and what Joey thinks. So
I think you know, no gidding whether it's it's that
or the hill. Mary, I'm you know either one, Drake.

Speaker 21 (01:41:39):
When you take into all aspects of your offensive performance today,
what did this game say about your offense and where
it's at right now?

Speaker 7 (01:41:46):
Yeah, I think we're dynamic. I think we can you
know her in the past game of the run game,
we do different things. You know. We got play action,
we got boot we got run football, we got thrown
it downfield. We got guys making plays right after catch.
I think there's another layer to it of making more
explosive plays. But we saw that a lot from run
after catch today and I think, you know, we're up seven.
We got the ball left with about seven minutes, and

(01:42:07):
we got to go pick up a first down and
try to get a field goal and make a play.

Speaker 26 (01:42:13):
Drake on that first red zone trip, first drive of
the game for you, guys end up taking a sack
on third down kick the field goal on the third
down play. What did you see there? If you can
remember it and was spacing at all an issue? It
looks like Henry and Bourne kind of end up in
the same spot by the goal one.

Speaker 7 (01:42:29):
Yeah, I think think, you know, can't take a sack there,
you know, red zone sacks.

Speaker 2 (01:42:33):
You know.

Speaker 7 (01:42:33):
Interesting, if we got a chance to maybe get some
archs and go for it. I can't remember the play,
but I think maybe, uh, let's see that's where we're going.
We're going that way. Yeah, I think they had a
chance on backside. I think, you know, if I got
backside ended up, you know, scrambling out, we just got
to stay in the pocket and like I said, get
back to the backside progression.

Speaker 8 (01:42:51):
Did you buy?

Speaker 7 (01:42:52):
A question was Chris Ryan on the left.

Speaker 24 (01:42:54):
After the last game, you mentioned you were frustrated with
your performance in Miami. How'd you feel about how you
bounce back this week? And obviously the only turnover was
kind of what that fluke play, scrambled to rush but
also to to throw.

Speaker 7 (01:43:06):
Is this back on track for you? I think, you know,
I can you know, speak for the offense. I think,
you know, we get back on track and we played,
you know, a soft football game. For myself, you know,
watch the football and watch the tape, and I think
I watch the tape and learn, and I still think
I left some players out there, and you know, I
just hated myself and I'll probe myself and you know,
trying to leave the ball team the wins. And we'd
accomplished that. So that's probably the biggest.

Speaker 5 (01:43:26):
Thing, right Ordrick.

Speaker 17 (01:43:29):
It looked like you guys had a lot of success
in the quick game overall, but it just seemed like
there were a handful of throws where, you know, things
weren't quite right. What would you attribute that to? Was
it your timing, was it an accuracy thing? Just what
did you see on those plays?

Speaker 7 (01:43:41):
Yeah, I'm not sure the stats. I'm not sure how
many completions we have, But I thought we were efficient.
I mean mostly most of the day. I think some
of the playing stuff was on time. I think I
miss Booty on a slant, was just late to it.
JP over the middle. I think I just gotta put
it on him or you know, once he gives me eyes,
kind of let him make a move. I got to
give him a better, better ball. But at the end
of the day, I think we were fishing in the

(01:44:02):
passing game and the guys made plays.

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minutes here to get some final thoughts to Patriots lose
twenty five to twenty four. Fred mentioned, as we were
I think in the first break that we took, maybe
the only break that we took. Tough spot here for
Gerardmeo and the coaching staff, they're going to their by.

(01:44:45):
It's the latest you can have a bye, tough loss
to have in your mouth and you can't do anything
about it for a while. Here's a job to try
to keep the team together at this point in time
and not have guys, you know, try.

Speaker 3 (01:44:58):
To convince them not to be making business decisions right.

Speaker 5 (01:45:00):
No, And I didn't know it, but I guess Mike
Reese wrote about you know, at least one person said it.
Just did you, you know, instead of taking a buye
and I know you can't do this, but instead of
taking a by just play it out right. That's I
don't know who said that, but I worry that maybe
more than one person might think that way. You know,
you come to the buy and what you're coming back for?

Speaker 10 (01:45:21):
What?

Speaker 3 (01:45:21):
Right? You know?

Speaker 5 (01:45:22):
Four games?

Speaker 8 (01:45:23):
You know?

Speaker 2 (01:45:24):
And faddie, what would you be more likely to mail
it in for a trip to Arizona or up to Buffalo?

Speaker 20 (01:45:29):
Right?

Speaker 5 (01:45:30):
It has you're gonna have one of those too, right?

Speaker 3 (01:45:32):
All right, both sides of that court back to back.

Speaker 2 (01:45:34):
It's like nice and warm, like I'd rather be outside
and you're up in Buffalo anywhere else.

Speaker 4 (01:45:38):
The last two games are at home, but those are
gonna those are gonna be scheduling loses.

Speaker 3 (01:45:43):
By the way, I've already heard some whispers that the Chargers.

Speaker 4 (01:45:46):
Game is going to be on Saturday that week, So
there's a good chance, or a chance.

Speaker 3 (01:45:49):
At least that you're playing source.

Speaker 4 (01:45:52):
It's for somebody who works at an NBC affiliate who
told me that they were alerted to the potential that
the Patriots might be playing, and they're one of the
teams that are eligible for that.

Speaker 3 (01:46:01):
But that could be a.

Speaker 5 (01:46:02):
Sunday or a Sunday.

Speaker 3 (01:46:04):
I like things.

Speaker 27 (01:46:06):
But now you like Sundays to now you have your
Sundays and now you can watch games that would be
a Sunday in Buffalo followed by a Saturday, coming back
home short week against the Chargers.

Speaker 3 (01:46:16):
That's not Etcheton Stone. I'm not reporting anything. I'm just
saying that's on the table. That's yeah. But you got
the West coastiches, get them all out tough on a
short week for that West Coast team to come game
for Chargers, right, I know how that go?

Speaker 4 (01:46:32):
Yeah, Well, you saw the Dome team today struggle in
the elements, Mike, final thought and your thoughts.

Speaker 3 (01:46:38):
They go to the bye.

Speaker 2 (01:46:39):
I'm excited for Drake May. I want to watch Drake
May over these last four games. I'm sure he won't
mail it in. So that's that's what I'm here for,
watching him, especially against Buffalo.

Speaker 3 (01:46:46):
See him play up in Buffalo.

Speaker 2 (01:46:48):
How he looks, you know, going against four really good teams.
So I think this will be a good opportunity for
him to you know, continue his growth process. Would love
to see him not turn the ball over in these games,
but just good opportunities for him. That's what it's all
about for me. Some other guys have good games along
the way great, but I'm not sure anyone and if
there's enough time left for anyone to really change the
narrative about this season.

Speaker 4 (01:47:08):
By the way, you had said in the pregame show,
you wanted to see how Drake performed in the cold.

Speaker 3 (01:47:12):
Yeah, I don't know if I was cold enough, but
I like to any more sleeps all. He didn't look cold, right,
I don't know how cold it actually was, but yeah,
I'm going to reserve judgment until I see a bad day.
Today was beautiful. I thought it was a beautiful day
to play. But that is something I am watching because
he remember Fred when we had him in and he
talked about I never really played in bad weather. So

(01:47:34):
I'm Buffalo two in New England in mid to late
December into January. Figures at least one or two of
those three games are going to be in bad weather.

Speaker 5 (01:47:46):
They have what two feet of snow in Buffalo today.

Speaker 4 (01:47:48):
Yeah, they just showed on a red wind.

Speaker 3 (01:47:51):
I'm looking. I'm looking at wind, you know, as being
something that is tough. Now, the way that that he
throws the ball like, I don't think it's going to
be a huge problem.

Speaker 4 (01:48:00):
He throws it through the wind, right, what concerns you
as you're going to the bye week, sir?

Speaker 3 (01:48:07):
Just you know the overall mindset. I do think that
you said something in the pregame show. At some point
you need to have some tangible results and you need
to win some games. Today hurts. Yeah, I think it
was a lost opportunity today. I understand in the big
picture to buy. Some of the emailers don't feel like that,
but at some point you want to establish a winning culture,
and they lost an opportunity to start that. Today.

Speaker 4 (01:48:30):
The Patriots lose to the Indianapolis Colts twenty five to
twenty four. They dropped to three and ten on the year.
I'm sorry, that's fine.

Speaker 3 (01:48:37):
No, no, no, Fred, any profound thoughts to close it out? No, no,
no time out.

Speaker 5 (01:48:42):
I don't think that.

Speaker 4 (01:48:42):
Personally, I believe I I believe I led the whole
thing off with Fred mentioned in the break that he
was concerned about potential business decisions.

Speaker 3 (01:48:51):
And I let him expand on. So I would you
like to would you like to say something else?

Speaker 8 (01:48:54):
Now?

Speaker 5 (01:48:55):
I think you know, like you know, going into next seat,
going into the buy. I think the Patriots know that
they've got their quarterback going into the bye I've got
my tree. I got my tree yesterday, so I know that,
so I don't have to worry about it.

Speaker 4 (01:49:08):
It'll be a fire hazard probably in a week. That's
all right, certainly by the twentieth A lot of saff right.

Speaker 3 (01:49:16):
Twenty five, twenty four.

Speaker 4 (01:49:17):
The Patriots lose today to the Indianapolis Colts three and
ten on the year. The bye week is next for
the Patriots for a whole cast of characters including Chris Judge,
Josh Davis, Dave Sarnovitz, Nick Poppolo, Matt morel Great job
by Matt Lapan and the pregame show and the postgame
show with his wrestling knowledge, Paul Thrillo, Fred Kersh, Michael
the show I'm Matt Smith. Patriots lose today, They're off

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We'll talk to you down the road.

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