Patriots Postgame Show 12/15: Full Analysis of Patriots 30-17 Loss to the Cardinals

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Speaker 5 (01:27):
Here's Matt Smith.

Speaker 3 (01:31):
And we welcome you into the studios here at Julette Stadium,
where the Patriots have just lost to the Arizona Cardinals
by a score of thirty to seventeen to drop to
three and eleven on the year. It's Matt Smith with
Paul Pirolo and Mike Touss thirty to seventeen the final
in a game that I don't think is as close
as the score indicates. Paul, was that one of the
first things I said to you is we were walking

(01:52):
in here. Was that a fair incident analysis?

Speaker 6 (01:55):
Uh?

Speaker 7 (01:55):
Yeah, I mean I didn't think.

Speaker 4 (01:57):
I personally thought the game kind of ended when Joey
Slide missed the field goal in the first drive of
the game. I thought the Patriots had a decent drive
to start. Of course, Mike common theme. You get a penalty,
wipes out a third down conversion, you end up having
to settle for a field goal that you then.

Speaker 7 (02:13):
Miss, and it just chasing. The rest of it just
kind of spirals out of control from there.

Speaker 3 (02:17):
One thing I would disagree with Paul a little bit.
I thought the key sequence to me third quarter had
a little bit of a drive going the first time
that they really kind of moved the ball. Other than
that pseudo moving the ball at the beginning of the game,
they get down inside the five third and one stuffed
fourth and one stuffed ball game.

Speaker 7 (02:33):
Yeah, I mean they had a chance to get back
in the game for sure.

Speaker 2 (02:38):
I just I think I'm running out of things to say.
I mean, this is the same team. This is the
same team. There was no real development, There was no
real you know, new twist or anything. If anything, they
looked flat coming off of the buy. I don't know
if realistic how realistic it was to expect them to
come out and you know, look re energized and look
like they had some some new twists and you know,

(02:58):
some guys coming out and playing at new levels. None
of that really happened. This team just looked flat to me.
I'm kind of with Paul. The game started to unfold.
I think they had maybe two or three plays where
they had ten plus yards gains. On that first drive.
It was like, all right, they're coming out with a
little something, and then I'm with him. Then the penalty started.
You saw the holding call from Leydon Robinson, which you know,

(03:20):
so on brand. It's a guy that we're talking about,
like we really need this guy to be good. We
want him, you know, we want to give him a chance,
and you know, he's he's good for at least a
holding call a game, and then you know the mistake started.
Vederian Lowe blowing blocks left and right, sacks. You know,
it's just it's the same old twenty twenty four Patriots team,
nothing new about them. And yeah, I'm with Paul, it
was it seemed like this game was pretty much over

(03:41):
to me once it was ten nothing.

Speaker 7 (03:42):
Yeah, And you know, once you get those, you know,
you had a chance to get.

Speaker 4 (03:46):
A lead, and instead the other team scores first and
now you're playing from behind. And that's not how the
Patriots want to play. I mean, it's not how any
team wants to play, but for the Patriots in particular,
I think it's it's hard for them to play that way.
And they were digging out of a hole. And you know, again,
the defense wasn't sharp in this game to start, especially,

(04:06):
but really never more mistackle. I thought it was kind
of just poor, just a lethargic performance by most, let's
put it that way.

Speaker 3 (04:16):
So if we're trying to put a positive, any kind
of positive spin on this, they've got two keepers on
this roster, at least one's a cornerback and Chrischian Gonzalez.
He fared pretty well today, didn't you, Paul? You thought
it was his best game.

Speaker 4 (04:30):
Yeah, we're going to get to the good, the bad,
and the one just real quick like. Yeah, I thought
it was by far his best game of his career.

Speaker 3 (04:36):
The quarterback was decent today as well, right, I did
not think that, Okay, all right, good, we'll get more
into it then, as we'll break it down with the good,
the bad, and the injured dead bad.

Speaker 1 (04:46):
Now it's time for the good but goody, pretty good,
the bad and the injured.

Speaker 8 (04:55):
Ah ah, you are right, guy, So let's go right
to the start, Paul, and follow up on that ten
for ten for seven of wopping seventy one yards in
the first half, and you, well, what did you think.

Speaker 3 (05:13):
Of Drake may.

Speaker 2 (05:19):
Well?

Speaker 4 (05:22):
I had Christian Gonzales on my good list, that's my
first good I thought he was absolutely phenomenal in this game.
I thought he was inside Marvin Harrison's shirt throughout the game.
I thought his play to break up the touchdown was
was a next level play, you know, Matt, you pointed
out I think during the game that there was maybe
a mistackle.

Speaker 7 (05:42):
I mean, i'd been nitpicking, YEP.

Speaker 4 (05:43):
I thought he got beat on a crosser early in
the game, but every time they went down the field
one on one, they had him matched up and he
was in really, really good position. This is the kind
of performance. I saw the ball get thrown to his
guy five or six times, and I think it was
only like one completion. And it wasn't because the throwers
weren't there. It wasn't because a guy didn't make a play.

(06:05):
It was because Gonzales prevented it. I thought he was
really good in this game. Unfortunately, I didn't really think
anything else was all that good in this game.

Speaker 2 (06:12):
Yeah, I'm with you. I thought the same thing. I mean,
it's thank God for him. Impressed by Harrison though. I
just how smooth he is. And I mean you've seen
two of maybe the smoothest athletes I think I've seen
in the NFL going against each other. I mean, just
doesn't even look like Harrison's running that fast, but you
know he is, and he's a really good player. A
nice game by Dallas, just to piggyac with Paul, I

(06:33):
got one other thing to put on the good list.
I was gonna put Antonio Gibson.

Speaker 7 (06:36):
I had a few other things, and that was one.

Speaker 2 (06:38):
Yeah, go ahead, that was I thought he brought a spark,
especially at the end, still running hard, continued his good
play as of late, you know, I thought, I mean,
I thought Romander had a pretty good day too.

Speaker 7 (06:48):
I thought I had both backs on my Yeah.

Speaker 2 (06:50):
Yeah, I just I guess to me, Gibson starting to
bring an element of a you know, explosiveness, and I
just I think what stood out to me was just
the run at the end where the game's pretty much over.
But you know, it's such a cliche, Oh, they're still
playing hard, but but he was still running hard. And
I like the spark that he's bringing to this offense.
I wish that they could find a way to build
off of it and and to make it matter more.

(07:10):
But he's been a good piece for them, and I think,
you know, of it's been really hard to find bright
spots here as we're in the midst of a four
games losing streak, but but I'd say he has been
probably one of them.

Speaker 7 (07:21):
Yeah, And I also, I'm sorry, Matt, do you have
something Stevenson?

Speaker 3 (07:23):
Was he over five yards of carry?

Speaker 7 (07:25):
Yeah? He was, point I had I had both backs too.

Speaker 3 (07:27):
Well, I agree with you that both of them deserved
to be on the good list. It's hard to do
that when and you gotta have a situation and I'm
not saying that it's on the back, but it would
help maybe if the back could help move the pile.
There was no push, you know, there were defensive players
in the backfield, Guys lined up wide open with nobody
touching them.

Speaker 4 (07:45):
Both plays you got complete with yep, complete with both plays,
Like you can't have that.

Speaker 3 (07:50):
But I would like to see, maybe, you know, if
somebody could make a miss and move that guy.

Speaker 4 (07:54):
And on a previous fourth down play a fourth and
one or earlier in that drive, I think the same
thing happened, only he was able to make the guy.
He was able to break the tackle in the backfield,
and you got the first down by a blade of grass. Right,
So like that's three short yardage plays where they didn't
block anybody, like you know, it's just I.

Speaker 3 (08:13):
Can't put Josh your show in the player here. They
actually bounced it to the outside and he got it, but.

Speaker 4 (08:18):
He broke a tackle two yards in the backfield on
that play, like you have guys are completely unblocked. The
third down play especially, he just kind of like walked
around the guy and was in the backfield defensive lineman.
The fourth down play was a really good play by
the linebacker. Feeling number fifty one for the Cardinals. You
know you can I think you might be able to
see it from here. Fifty one flashes right there and

(08:41):
he goes nowhere. But the other play is just like,
look this guy, that fifty one is unblocked, like no
one touched him. I don't know how you can expect
to get first downs on short yardage plays if you
don't block the guys that are right in front of him.

Speaker 3 (08:54):
So is that scheme, is that talent? Is it all
of the above in failing to pick up a yard there?

Speaker 4 (09:04):
I mean, it's just misblocks. I don't know what to
put it on. I mean, I don't think there's a
scheme that's designed to let the guy like Ben Brown.
I think let the guy just dance right around him
on third and one. I think it was Brown. It
was either Brown or Robinson.

Speaker 2 (09:17):
I think it was Brown.

Speaker 4 (09:19):
So I don't think there's any scheme that's designed to
leave again. You know, like sometimes you have like the
naked boots and you know the backside end is going
to be unblocked. You just have to hope that he
bites and you go around him and all that stuff.
I don't think that's you know, on short yardage, I
don't think that's in play.

Speaker 3 (09:37):
Okay, does that empty your good lists?

Speaker 2 (09:39):
Yeah, that's all I got.

Speaker 7 (09:39):
I had Marcus Jones just for the spark on offense.

Speaker 4 (09:43):
You know, it sets up you know, as Matt says,
you know you're down sixteen three, you're really not in
the game. But you know, let's let's play this out
and see if we can put some game pressure on Arizona. Well,
Marcus Jones almost did it. You know, he breaks free
on that and it was the same kind of play too,
where they threw a bunch of screens that got no
yards and they didn't have.

Speaker 7 (10:00):
This block up particularly well either. But he just beats
these guys.

Speaker 4 (10:03):
He gets around them, and you know, he's fast enough
and elusive enough to get down the sideline. It was
only like a twenty yard play, but you know it
was you know, it was a big play in the drive.
It got him down in scoring range. So I gave
Marcus Jones some love there too. And it might be
partly because I have a crush on Marcus Jones.

Speaker 7 (10:18):
I mean, like, like, is that okay?

Speaker 2 (10:20):
Now was a good play. It was a spark, I think,
like you said, And again, I mean I think some
of these goods it's it's just it's too bad they
can't build off of them. They were, you know, kind
of on islands, these these big, these good plays that.

Speaker 4 (10:30):
They Yeah, I did have initially, like at the half,
I put like red zone defense, but then they couldn't
stop anybody in the red zone in the second half,
so I kind of went away from it.

Speaker 9 (10:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (10:41):
Right, So who sits atop the bad list?

Speaker 2 (10:45):
I mean, I mean, I'll just start with with Ben Brown.
I mean, I just we talked about the snaps have
been good all year, all of a sudden, the snaps,
you know, two snaps, two rollers. Paul mentioned the short
yardage play, which you know he was right in the
thick of And I think it's just I don't know.
I'm curious because we talked all week about cold Strange
getting snaps at center. How many snaps of center did
he get? It seems like all of a sudden, Ben

(11:05):
Brown got the yips over the bye When we spent
a lot of time wondering when Cole Strange was going
in at center. So I just I wonder if maybe
those things are connected. But that's that's my first one.

Speaker 4 (11:16):
Then Brown, Yeah, I think that's a good one. I'll
stick with the theme and just up front. Vederian low
non competitive early in the game. You know, the second
series was just minor, and you know to the point
where Ross Tucker's like, they have to change the game plan,
they need.

Speaker 7 (11:34):
To do something to help him.

Speaker 2 (11:35):
Yeah, watch it all year.

Speaker 4 (11:36):
You know, and you know one play gets beat a
guy off the edge and a run play stops a
run play for minus two. And then the next play
he gives up a blindside sack without even getting a
hand on him. So, you know, Venerian Lowe, you know,
I thought Laden Robinson struggled again that the guy's up front,
the holding calls, the miss blocks, just just not getting

(11:59):
it done.

Speaker 3 (11:59):
I just if I may veer off of that, Paul,
and you're talking about, you know, the way that they
were calling the game. Was it clear because of the
struggles from the offensive line, or was was it part
of the game plan that everything was going to be quick,
everything was going to be out quick because they didn't
trust the line holding up a protection you think, Mike.

Speaker 2 (12:19):
I don't know. I mean, I saw some speculation that
that maybe the game plan was they thought the Cardinals
were going to blitz a lot.

Speaker 7 (12:24):
That was my speculation.

Speaker 2 (12:26):
Yeah, I don't know. I just think like at the
end of the day, they were expecting better from their play.
They had to be expecting better. And you know, I
just talked about Ben Brown, talked about the first holding
call against Leyden Robinson, then the two penalts, Like it's
all starting up front, and this is just a recurring
weakness of this team that sets the tone for these losses.

(12:48):
And it's not that they're just overmatched, it's the mistakes.
And I mean, I think everybody would have seen that,
you know, that first uh play that that the Viderian
Lowe gave up off the edge where he's you know,
the guy's right to his left. He doesn't really it
seemed like, again it seemed like he might have had
the wrong play call or he was thinking he was
going another way, or that he had help that he

(13:09):
didn't help have. But either way, it just seemed like
not on the same page. And these are the things
at the end of the season where it's just it's
really hard to be forgivable of. This is the kind
of stuff that you have to get right, because it's
hard enough just to stop these guys, even when you
know what you're doing.

Speaker 7 (13:24):
Yeah, I'm I'm with Mike.

Speaker 4 (13:26):
I just feel like and they're overmatched up front, and
I think there was a lot of hope about, well,
if they could just get five. It hasn't been better
with five, I mean continuity wise, Yeah, and they just
they just struggle.

Speaker 7 (13:41):
They struggle every.

Speaker 3 (13:42):
Week, and from a continuity standpoint, I think what's telling
is the same guys are going out there because they
feel better about those five than anybody else that could
go in to replace them, which.

Speaker 4 (13:51):
Is obvious certainly now because like Wallace in Strange, I
don't think are legitimate options right now. I don't think
they're ready yet physically, So we'll see what happens.

Speaker 3 (14:03):
I wonder if I wonder if Strange is a little
bit more ready after Ben Brown's performance.

Speaker 2 (14:06):
Today, I bet the coaching staff is ready.

Speaker 3 (14:09):
You know who else on the bad list, Mike.

Speaker 2 (14:12):
I gotta I gotta keep Kyle Dugger on there. You
know that that one long run where he just took
a terrible angle and went flying. I mean it was
just a rough play. I I don't know what the
explanation is, because I think Kyle Duggar is better than
what he's playing like right now. But now that he's
had a few games where he's been playing pretty bad
and it's there's a spotlight on him, so now people
are watching it and he's you know, kind of wilting

(14:35):
in the sun now. I mean, now the more you
watch him, the more you notice that he's a step
late in coverage, he's bouncing off guys that he tries
to tackle. I mean, he had one nice hit.

Speaker 3 (14:44):
But he was out of reach at that point.

Speaker 2 (14:46):
Down the field games out of reach. There's no impact
plays from him. The only impact he's he's making on
the team usually is a negative one. So I don't
know what the answer is. And maybe we're being too
you know, maybe we're because we're aware of him, we're
focusing more on him. But at the same time, it's
just you're not getting anything positive out of that player
right now, and it's a guy you really needed to
depend on this year.

Speaker 4 (15:06):
Yeah, I mean, Douggar is a good guy to to
like lead with. I had tackling in general, I thought
the tackling was poor again today, Matt and I were
talking about it a lot during the game, Mike, when
you were writing, I know you block us out.

Speaker 3 (15:20):
Here's a mistackle here where he goes up high on
Connor and just yeah, like that's not going to bring
James Connor down.

Speaker 7 (15:26):
Oh wow, just watching this Buffalo Detroit game, it's just
like a track meet. It's unbelievable.

Speaker 2 (15:32):
I'm gonna put sixty at least, guys.

Speaker 4 (15:35):
So yeah, I had tackling and and dugger obviously the
short yardage, you know, the inability to convert on third
and fourth and one. You know, we talked about that too,
and Joey slide like, you's got to make field goals.

Speaker 2 (15:51):
There's just no positive place from the defense. That's what's
you know, troubling. I mean tackles for loss. I mean
to throw takeaways out of it. I mean, that's that's
that's that's hoping for too much. But they just are
unable to impact the game in a way that you know,
and I think Paul's right, like, if you're going to
give them a small bit of credit, it was early
in the game getting a couple third down stops. I
don't even think there were red zone stops. Really their

(16:12):
high red zone, you know, around the thirty thirty five
force and fifty our field goals. But you know, that
was one positive at least, like they kind of kept
it close, but.

Speaker 7 (16:19):
Not for the Cardinals.

Speaker 4 (16:20):
Cardinals had all chip shot well, I mean thirty five
forty and they have one forty nine. Yeah, you're right,
I missed three for three. I missed the first one
forty nine. I apologize either way. That was you know,
that was a little bit of putt.

Speaker 2 (16:34):
But then in the second half you don't have that
and that's when Look, when games like this start unfolding,
you need strip sacks, you need takeaways, and they just
they don't put the offense in uncomfortable positions. They don't
force them into mistakes. I mean, I don't. I mean,
what did Marie end up with. I mean, he completed
twenty three of thirty, so he competed seventy seven percent

(16:55):
of his past that's.

Speaker 7 (16:56):
The under though it was by your yard.

Speaker 2 (16:58):
Now, oh my god, what are the sharps?

Speaker 7 (17:01):
No to twenty six and a half? He threw for
two twenty four well two and a half yards an.

Speaker 3 (17:06):
Old ball coach used to always talk about complimentary football,
and that's where there's that's severely lacking with this team,
because while they didn't really make any stops, they got
Arizona off the field to start the third quarter. They
didn't do anything really, It was more probably a byproduct
of Arizona as much as what the Patriots did. But
the Patriots then had the ball right after.

Speaker 7 (17:27):
The first drive of the third quarter. Is you talking
about did they make it?

Speaker 4 (17:32):
They didn't punt, right, I mean, I think they only
punted once the whole game, except for when Murray got hurt.

Speaker 7 (17:37):
They had a punt.

Speaker 3 (17:38):
I think they got them off the field one they
made him kick a field goal. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (17:42):
And so that's why I said, like I had the
red zone thing, because they had to kick two short
field goals at the end of the first half. In
the beginning of the second half, they had the double score,
but they were two field goals.

Speaker 7 (17:53):
Instead of two touchdowns. But then the next two times
they went in the red zone, they went right into
the Yeah.

Speaker 2 (17:58):
I mean they scored points on six out of eight drive, right, So.

Speaker 7 (18:01):
Was non competitive.

Speaker 3 (18:02):
The fact that they didn't give up the touchdown on
that would particular play, and then the Patriots offensively with
the one time to try to make it even somewhat
of a game, and they were unable to do. So
there's there's no complimentary aspect.

Speaker 10 (18:15):
What's the win?

Speaker 4 (18:16):
I agree with you about that, and I would say, also,
you know what's the most important down?

Speaker 2 (18:20):
Third down?

Speaker 7 (18:20):
Third down?

Speaker 3 (18:21):
Right?

Speaker 4 (18:22):
Cardinals ten for fifteen, yeah, Patriots hot, Patriots zero for
six Yeah.

Speaker 3 (18:27):
And I thought were the Cardinals really made hay and
two on fourth down? Right? They really were good on
first down Arizona. You know, they weren't a lot of
third and third manageables because they did very well on
first down.

Speaker 2 (18:39):
Look, when you run the ball in, your guy doesn't
get touched until six yards down the field at most.
You know, that's I mean that that's the problem is
you're losing the line of scrimmage. You know, that's consistently.
I mean, how many times you know they had a
couple of runs where they're going to the sideline that's
a little too long, But you know, pretty much anything
they wanted to go up the middle, they were gonna get.

Speaker 3 (18:58):
Whatever they wanted. Right, who else on the bad list?

Speaker 9 (19:00):
Paul?

Speaker 2 (19:01):
That's all I had very loo. Yeah. Yeah, ah, I
just I had I had a little uh snaffoo for
Douglas with the fumble, you know, just I had that
written down. Yeah, I don't know if we need to
to kill him with that one. And I just say,
you know, Anthony Jennings is kind of like you give us.
I like the you know, I like the force fumble.
I like the punch out. I mean, it's a game

(19:22):
of inches, if you know, maybe the line that catches
it at you know, two feet more out of it.
It's a touchback, but potentially huge play. That's how it goes.
And I mean, I do think Anthony Jennings is one
guy who is lost in the shuffle a little bit,
but has made some plays here and there this season.

Speaker 3 (19:35):
Yeah, he's you know, he's not not going to build
a defense around him, but he's a complimentary type of player,
role type player that I think on a good team
you'd like to have players like that.

Speaker 2 (19:46):
Yeah. Yeah, I mean I think that's that's a great
way to put it. He's a good role player. I
wish that they could play him in the role that
he'd be best at, right, be a rotational kind of
a guy and be able to focus on what he
does best, and you know, now they're kind of requiring
more of him, and I think over I mean, it's
just it's just hard to judge individual guys on the
defense when they're just they're getting pushed around and you know,
it's it's got to be frustrating to play when, like

(20:08):
I said, six out of eight drives, you go out there,
you're giving up points. You just you're not you're not
pushing back against these offenses.

Speaker 3 (20:13):
What did I miss on the injury front? If anything,
I think just Christian.

Speaker 4 (20:18):
Christian Ellis with the questionable head. But I did not
see the play that had happened, and I'm not aware
if he came back or not.

Speaker 2 (20:27):
I don't believe he did. But but I lost track
of that one.

Speaker 3 (20:31):
So once again, they come out of the game fairly whole, sure,
even if they lose. From an injury standpoint, that's yah
meant Yeah, all right, Paul, I want to go back
to this because I was a little taken aback. There's
no Drake May on your good or bad list, which
means you think Drake May was.

Speaker 7 (20:48):
Met Uh he was fine, Yeah he was. I don't
think he was. He was certainly not anywhere near the
bad list.

Speaker 4 (20:55):
Yep, I don't put any I don't really put any
of this on Drake May, but he didn't really do
anything to help it either. I didn't like the only
thing I could say negative about him two plays one.
I thought it was as predictable as can be that
he was going to take a shot on the first
play of the second half. I called it at halftime,
throw into double coverage, got away with it, and then
he overthrew a wide open booty on a play where

(21:17):
he kind of sprayed one. But yeah, he's getting snaps
rolling back to him. No, guy's not blocking blindside sacks
like this was nothing to do with Drake maybe, but
he's shot play. Yeah, Like I just didn't I didn't
like the decision on that play, But overall I wouldn't
put any any of this on Drake May.

Speaker 11 (21:36):
Right.

Speaker 2 (21:37):
No, just watching this play here with Booty, it's like
you just you can see how hard it is to
create separation down.

Speaker 3 (21:43):
The spray job that you were talking about right here.

Speaker 7 (21:45):
Yeah, he's wide open.

Speaker 4 (21:48):
So all of his really positive work came down three
scores in the fourth quarter, right twice he had he
had two drives that were meaningless in the fourth quarter,
and he still only threw for two hundred yards, So
I can't put him on the good list, but he's
nowhere near the bath.

Speaker 3 (22:07):
But I think what I was trying to say at
the beginning, Paul is they have two players on the
roster that are really good players, and they look to
be good players. Gonzales in May everything else, there's an
opportunity to upgrade.

Speaker 4 (22:20):
I was really impressed with Gonzales that I feel like
I've been not critical but skeptical of the matulation that
he gets. And I would even say today the broadcast
was fell into that category. But I thought he was
really really good in the game today, and I'd like

(22:40):
to see more of that. I'd like to see him
like just trailing the other team's best receiver all the time,
not once in a while, not when they line up
the way you want them to line up, like against
the Rams. I want him taking out one of those
two guys, you know, Nku or Cup whoever you decide.
I don't care you decide, you know, but today you

(23:02):
know and listen, Marvin Harrison's playing his fourteenth game. He's
had kind of a quiet rookie season. He hasn't been great,
but he made him look every bit like a rookie.
He dominated I thought, yeah, I mean I thought he
dominated Harrison too.

Speaker 2 (23:15):
Yeah, this is I mean, this is kind of I
think what they've been doing is is taking the you know,
the fifteen to twenty yard shots to him at times
in Gonzales. Just such good athleticism, able to stick with
these guys, they just I mean, he just wasn't creating
the separation he needed to make those plays. But yeah,
it's a it's definitely a silver lining this year. But
I'm with you, Matt, It's it's those two guys. You
didn't really notice Christian Barmore today, You didn't really notice

(23:37):
key On White.

Speaker 3 (23:39):
I had a shack on it, but there was a
hold so it came back.

Speaker 2 (23:43):
But those are the you know, kind of the where
you're building younger guys that you're hoping to like, especially now,
like all right, three games left now, and you know
that's why you come out, come out of the buy
with all these somewhat grand expectations of like who could
play great in this You know, if Jalen Polk had
twenty catches in this game, you know, and then you
get to the game and you realize, no, there's no

(24:03):
magic solution over the week off. It's and unfortunately, they
didn't really have anything new in the bag this time,
and they came out flat.

Speaker 7 (24:10):
They look worse.

Speaker 4 (24:11):
I mean, that's that's worse than the product we saw
the last time they were on the field, that's for sure.

Speaker 3 (24:16):
One thing the announcers did that I thought was interesting.
I haven't noticed it because I'm usually listening to the
TV copy. I thought the announcers made a concerted effort
to talk about the fact that the wide receivers get
no separation. It was really the first time I've heard
that all season long, you know, now where fourteen games in,

(24:36):
and I thought they just stated a matter of fact, right,
because it is it is matter of fact. They get
no separation. And so when we're they're asking the quarterback
to do everything. I don't think the ball to Booty
was textbook perfect, but it was absolutely catchable. And for
the second straight week they've got a tipball that goes
as an interception to the other team. You know, I

(24:56):
think the quarterback could have done a better job than
the goal line play against Henry, But still that was
a catchable ball, and this was a catchable ball by Booty.
When there's plays to be made, it's very rare that
their wide receivers make them. Bourne made a nice play
in garbage time down the sideline, went up and fought
for a ball and caught it. But by that time
the game's out of hand.

Speaker 5 (25:17):
No.

Speaker 2 (25:18):
I mean, look at Craig Dortch.

Speaker 7 (25:19):
We always laugh.

Speaker 3 (25:20):
Love his last name, Dortsch.

Speaker 2 (25:21):
It's fun to say. It wasn't fun to watch today,
But who's he And he's got multiple cats, you know,
the Patriots receivers, each of each of them like destrit
one play a game and oh there it was, you know,
real quick. Just on aside, and not to derail the
postgame show, but I assume you guys read you know,
Mike Reese's notes today with with Jacoby Brissett saying, you know,

(25:42):
people will have to look at the tape to see
what I was dealing with. I just I found that
really interesting, you know, Jacoby Brissett really I think kind
of calling.

Speaker 3 (25:50):
Out with the line, the line.

Speaker 2 (25:53):
The receivers, I mean, I take what you will. I mean,
he was leaving it kind of vague, but at the
same time, it felt to me like Jacoby Brissett is
kind of highlighting the things that we're talking about right
now that they struggle to Even though you have continuity
on the offensive line, they're inconsistent. There's miss blocks still,
and the same thing with the receivers there. They'll make
a catch for you, but then they're gonna make a

(26:14):
catch for the other team or they're gonna miss one,
and it's it's it's just an impossible way to live.
Now when you look at, you know, a game like
Buffalo and the lines right now which is forty eight
to thirty five with one fifty seven left, not to
saying that they have to be that, but you see
that these teams have found ways to consistently execute. And
that's what the Patriots have found.

Speaker 3 (26:33):
And I'm just a messenger here, but at three and eleven,
losers of four straight and with three games left next
on the docket for you're New England Patriots, it is
a trip to Orchard Park to take on the Buffalo Bills. Now,
you might catch him in a decent spot here, it
might be crazy, is that sounding point? Too many points
because they were peeked up and run of the against Detroit.

(26:55):
Who do they lose to? Oh in the Rams, you know,
two really tough games against two really good teams. Is
it possible they look past the Patriots. Although with the
Mahomes injury now maybe the number one seed in the
AFC is back in play. They're not going to let
up for sure, but a daunting task.

Speaker 4 (27:11):
Plus the we need to try to get the two
seed is huge, Like I think we loved today, right, Yeah,
so they pick Pittsburgh loss. But like people keep saying, well,
Buffalo will rest their players in the last game because
it won't matter.

Speaker 3 (27:22):
I don't see that.

Speaker 4 (27:23):
The number two seed is enormous. It's enormous. You get
the two home games.

Speaker 2 (27:28):
And if Kansas City, which is flow we think, pounces
out like you might be host in the they don't care.

Speaker 4 (27:35):
Like listen, they don't want to play Kansas City because
Kansas City has knocked him out of the playoffs, but
they don't care where they play Kansas City. They've gone
into Kansas City and beaten him in the regular season.
They can do that. They just haven't been able to
beat him anywhere in the playoffs. But they're gonna play
for the number two seed minimum. I think Matt makes
a really good point about Mahomes' injury. There's a chance

(27:57):
they have I believe they have.

Speaker 3 (27:59):
Days, but I believe.

Speaker 4 (28:00):
It's it's three and eleven days, right County today, Right,
but it's but it's Houston and Pittsburgh.

Speaker 7 (28:06):
Those are losible games.

Speaker 3 (28:08):
You said losable games with Mahomes.

Speaker 4 (28:10):
With Mahomes those Carolina was a losable game with Mahomes.
They want on a walk off field goal, like they
can lose to anybody. They're not blowing anybody out. Even today,
Jamis Winston was awfully through three picks. They still only
won twenty one to seven. So there's there's not real
you a whole lot.

Speaker 2 (28:31):
Of offense they finally covered in't.

Speaker 7 (28:32):
There they did cover today?

Speaker 2 (28:34):
Sorry, Mike, Finally I knew that was gonna happen as
soon as I decided, all right.

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Speaker 3 (33:00):
We welcome you back inside Julette Stadium, where the Patriots
lost today to the Arizona Cardinals in Arizona, thirty to seventeen,
their four straight loss to move to three and eleven
on the year. Three games remaining on the schedule at
Buffalo and then they finish out the year with two
home games the Chargers date to be determined and we'll
know that tomorrow, and then they host Buffalo so they

(33:22):
get the bills too out of the next three weeks
as promised, we want to hear from you. This is
from Anthony and Potsdown, Pennsylvania. Who and this is where
the Patriots are. Unfortunately, at this point in time, we're
talking about the draft. I like a draft scenario with
a Patriots draft edge with their first pick, potentially Carter,
then trade back into the first round for another need fit.
Any chances happens or not enough assets to trade. Secondly,

(33:46):
what do you believe the Patriots will attack first in
free agency with aggression being paramount. That's uh yeah, Anthony Potchdown.

Speaker 2 (33:55):
I like it, Anthony. Yes, I do think they have
enough m to get back up. They you know, penciled
in for ten picks right now, so they do have
some AMMO. And yeah, I mean I mentioned cornerback. I
think that's a strong class. I think there's some good
defenders up front maybe to consider. I talked about Drake
Greenlaw unf fortunately got hurt again and came back kind
of quick. I think from the you know, Achilles tear

(34:17):
last year and reinjured. I'm reinjured. I'm not sure exactly
what the injury was.

Speaker 7 (34:21):
The other night he heard his knee.

Speaker 2 (34:22):
Hurt his knee, so that was unfortunate. That was just
the name I was thrown out there. But it's just
it's unfortunate. There's not a bunch of tackles available that
you feel great. There's not after t Higgins, a lot
of wide receivers in their twenties that are projected to
be number one guys. Those that's what you'd love to
have if you could, you know, design a perfect free
agency offseason. So I think they've got to use their
money wisely. They've got to look if cornerback I think

(34:45):
cornerback two is a need go out get a one A,
you know, get a one B. I mean, you got
Gonzalez is a one A. We'll go out and throw
some money at a guy, and you know, might seem
redundant to some people, but that's what the market dictates
this year. So make the most of it and get
a really talented player. They need talent. As I said,
they've got a bunch of players on the contract they need.
They don't need bodies, they need talent. They need guys

(35:06):
who are you know, can make a difference in these games.

Speaker 3 (35:08):
Here's a showy one. But I'll ask it anyway. Can
they go wrong? Are the needs so vast that other
than misevaluating the player, can they go wrong with wherever
they select? I mean, I mean, obviously, I'll just say this.

Speaker 2 (35:24):
I think if they go into next season and the
offensive line doesn't have you don't have some kind of
belief that they might have solved because I think going
into this year we all thought they didn't solve it.

Speaker 3 (35:33):
Maybe I didn't clearify when they draft, other than the
evaluation of the player, Does it really like there's so many.

Speaker 2 (35:39):
Needs everywhere unless you drafted a running back? I know
that's about That's pretty much. That's pretty much.

Speaker 4 (35:45):
I think Matt makes a good point. Mike and I
have talked about it a lot on PU. That's the
one silver lining to being three and eleven. There's almost
no position that they don't need.

Speaker 3 (35:54):
All right, And so here's the next one. I'm going
to ask you, and you guys lived through it as
many of us did. Last year the Patriots finished four
and thirteen. It looked bad. It was bad. They were
bereft of talent. It was not a good year. Which
year is worse? This one still has some time to I'd.

Speaker 2 (36:14):
Say out, I'd probably say this one. I don't know
if it's recency biased, but as much as it's great
to have Drake may, I think last year you knew
you didn't have a quarterback, but I think you still
could have convinced yourself that you had some other pieces,
and then it wasn't quite as barren in the cupboard.
And I think this season is made you feel like,
not only do the coverards look barren, you know, how

(36:34):
do you believe in the coaching staff that's taken over
this team and they haven't really gotten better. There's nothing
really to point to and say, well, this is a
sign that they're headed in the right direction. That's what
we all wanted. We just wanted to end this season
feeling like we've got a quarterback and the team is
headed in the right direction. I can't say I feel
that way right now. I feel like, yeah, they got
a quarterback. But we've seen plenty of You've seen plenty

(36:55):
of teams out there that have a quarterback and have
nothing else, and they just spin their wheels for years
until you know that that opportunity waste itself. So they
got to get better, and they got to get better
in a hurry, and they got to find talent, and
and and the fact that the Bills in the lines
are putting up over almost eleven hundred yards of offense
out here, I mean the Bills alone, forty two the
Bills alone have five hundred and sixty yards offense. They

(37:15):
got to play the Patriots defense next week in Buffalo.
So you would talk about no punt, I mean that,
and that was a defense that I mean not that
they were. You know, I think we can debate about
how good that that defense really was. But even still,
like they had some real veterans on there who won
Super Bowls that you know, you didn't see that coming,
the no punt thing. So this matchup, it's gonna be

(37:38):
an interesting week talking about how do you slow down
this offense with this defense.

Speaker 3 (37:41):
Paul care comment on the better team the twenty three
outfit of the twenty four outfit.

Speaker 4 (37:46):
Yeah, it's an interesting argument that Mike made. I mean,
I don't know which team was better or worse, but
I thought last year felt worse than this because they
just they never ever had a flicker of offense, at
least with Drake May. I feel like that they've you know,
they've moved the ball at times. Now, today wasn't a

(38:06):
strong day for my argument, but like last week was,
I thought they moved the ball and just struggled to
finish drives.

Speaker 7 (38:12):
But last year it was just like punt, punt, punt.

Speaker 10 (38:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (38:18):
Maybe it's because of Drake May and solely because of
Drake May, but I feel this year is a little
bit better. And I know a lot of people have
been hammering the defense and they should. I don't think
the defense has played well. I think people deceive themselves.
Maybe it's this is why I'm not as disappointed. I
think people deceived themselves into thinking the defense was fine.
It was all mac Jones last year, and they didn't
realize all the different And I've said this a million times.

(38:40):
I can't go over it again. All the backup quarterbacks
they played, they're not playing backup quarterbacks. Kyler Murray didn't
tear his a cl and the third play of the
game today like you did two years ago, and whatever
that was two years ago, right, Like that's when they know, well,
Lions think they might have this on side kick with.

Speaker 3 (38:56):
Steve Goskowski special that they just dialed up there. I
don't know for all those of you old enough to
remember how the Patriots used to attack it on the
on side kick strategicy, we're gonna go to the phone
lines here at a second red zone, Paul is waiting
for the officials to just point out pulling guys off
the pile, who who got the ball.

Speaker 4 (39:20):
It's just a lot of pointing. Bill's a point in
their way, lines, a point in their way. Referees aren't
saying anything it's just a lot of standing around. Tell you,
Bill's played some exciting games. Dawson Knox is jumping up
and down now, so I don't know if he got word.
Still don't see anything from the refs.

Speaker 2 (39:37):
Those are all pointed and there we go some half
hearted points points from the Lions. Still that you know,
just I don't think they believe though.

Speaker 3 (39:43):
Matt uh submit that for a name.

Speaker 4 (39:45):
That was good radio right there, Taron Johnson, BBD ord Winner,
he's getting up. He's getting up with the ball, whether
they like it or not. Should I do my FRANCESSA,
there's a there's one ref. There's one two.

Speaker 3 (40:00):
Deshaun and West Virginia. You can kick us off tonight
on the Patriots postgame Show presented by Draft Kings Hijashan, Oh.

Speaker 11 (40:08):
God, sorry the Virginia not West Virginia.

Speaker 3 (40:11):
Sorry O. Then I apologize.

Speaker 11 (40:17):
Because it's gonna be done anyway. So basically, you know,
Tyler obviously an issue, but I wanted to play something else.
We read that email. If you had a better plan
when it came to when it came to the draft situation,
I know Paul Gonna is gonna come out to me
with this one whatever. But I think that if they
canna have to get in that one and two spot,
because there's a major premium at the QB position, they

(40:37):
could play hardball with the Raiders that they happen to
faster by winning at least two out of three games,
and with the Pats being there so that he can
try to trade back or whatever. You know, one of
those teams that the Raiders don't want to give up
at least like two uh, like a first round next
year and the two second round picks. Then maybe four
other teams in the back, like the like the Passes,

(40:58):
like the tennesse Titans, like the Browns, or like the Saints.
They continue part the down the line, I'd be willing
to go for a quarterback.

Speaker 7 (41:03):
Who what what quarterback do you like?

Speaker 10 (41:08):
No?

Speaker 11 (41:08):
No, no, no, I'm talking.

Speaker 4 (41:09):
About like there's a premium at the position, right, Yeah,
there's a premium at the position. They's just done anything.
My point is, I don't think there's anybody worth trading
up for.

Speaker 11 (41:19):
Like those teams would because because they position, right, I
prey show those teams would.

Speaker 4 (41:24):
Yeah, I don't think. I don't think they would. I
think it's one thing that's to roll the dice and
take a chance on a guy if your pick comes up.
But it's another thing to give up multiple draft a
lot and roll the dice on a guy, right Like
I don't. I don't think either one of these two guys. Now,
if you were talking about this past year, I think
there was a reason why the Giants were looking to
move out.

Speaker 7 (41:42):
They liked Drake May.

Speaker 3 (41:44):
And somebody I can't remember who said this morning, with
Sanders being the number one rated quarterback, where would Sanders
rate if he'd come out last year and everybody said
he would have been the fourth ranked quarterback.

Speaker 7 (41:56):
I think he would be sixth. I think he might
replace McCarthy Knicks.

Speaker 4 (42:00):
I think he might have replaced Nicks, but I think
Pennix and in McCarthy are better than him.

Speaker 3 (42:04):
Yep, no, hey and Bo Nicks looks to be working
out okay for Denver. You know, I'm not telling you.
He's a franchise guy. But the Payton's doing all right.

Speaker 4 (42:12):
They win, they're winning games. I think Peyton's doing a
good job. And we threw a couple of picks today.

Speaker 3 (42:17):
Thanks for the call, De Shaun.

Speaker 7 (42:18):
I think he's mac Jones light. He's an athletic mac.

Speaker 2 (42:22):
Jolet maj Yeah he can run.

Speaker 3 (42:23):
Christian from Los Angeles is next to the Patriots postgame
show presented by Draft Kings High Christian, Hey.

Speaker 16 (42:30):
Guys, having doing the line for a little while, so
unlike everybody else this year, I think we saw what
we saw and let's go on and project and move on.
I'm so crazy. I'm thinking we played Drake May one
more game and then maybe showcase Joe Milton and something
crazy like that. But as far as the draft goes,

(42:50):
we got and stopped with the trading back and trying
to get value. We need to lead, guys, so we
go with Travis Hunter. He solves two problems. He makes
you know, with Christian Gonzalds, he makes them a no
fly zone on defense or you play him immedately on
offense maybe third down packages or whatever else. And then
second round you gotta go tackle. And then maybe third round.

(43:10):
This is a really big edge class, so we go
edge there. But we have to solve last year's needs
first before moving on to you know, the next set
of what the needs are. We got our quarterback, let's
get our receiver slash impact player, and then let's get
a tackle how do you guys see the playing out?

Speaker 3 (43:26):
I think thanks for the call, Christian. I think it's
a good point. Here's the only thing I would just
you know, it's December fifteenth, Like, I don't think we
can sit here today and say unequivocally they should do
this or they should do that. They should be like
if there's a trade to be made to get the
more assets. As we just said, they've got two players
that we can feel really good about on this roster

(43:47):
and a lot of other holes. If they've got more
chances and more swings, get more chances and more swings,
they need it, you know. If I don't know enough
about the board or anything like that, but if they're
going three to six, three to seven, hopefully there's still
a really good player at six or seven. You know,
I don't think this draft, with the little that I

(44:09):
know about it right now, has a ton of generational talent.
There's talent there, but I don't know if it's as
loaded at the top, it might be more of a
middle class draft.

Speaker 2 (44:19):
I'd just say with Hunter, I mean, I don't necessarily
believe that he's gonna fill the need at wide receiver.
I feel like he's redundant with what they're gonna have
with with Marcus Jones and Pop Douglas as those kind
of you know, interior quick guys. I just I don't
think he's gonna play enough of a role on offense
to feel like I think that might be a bonus
and you can mix him in on offense a little bit,
but I don't see him checking a need. I'm not

(44:40):
going to rule that guy out. He's just too gifted
to to say no, no, we don't want him, we
don't need him. But I do think he got to
see how free agency plays out before you know exactly what.

Speaker 4 (44:48):
I agree with Mike about Travis Hunter. I think he
can be an elite corner. I don't see elite skills
as a wide receiver. I think he's a guy that
might be able to fill in, but you're not either way,
you're not solving two needs.

Speaker 7 (45:01):
You're not filling two needs.

Speaker 4 (45:02):
Like I don't think it's realistic to expect him to
do what he's doing about college in the NFL correct
at that level. But I would be absolutely in favor
of drafting Travis Hunter, and I like his plan of
you know, the tackle in the second round and having
edge in mind, the whole trade down thing on the service.

(45:24):
I don't want to trade down, but I want to.
I need to know what the trade is. I say, no,
you know, if they can, if they can, you know,
hold somebody up, and.

Speaker 3 (45:34):
If it's a herschel Walker job.

Speaker 4 (45:35):
Yeah, like if you can get if you can get
like a not huge drop down in the first round,
like do what the previous caller said about the quarterback
Deshaun I think wanted to, you know, see if someone
would be tempted to take the quarterbacks. So say they
get up to two and someone wants to move up
four spots, three spots, and they're gonna give you like

(45:55):
a one next year. Maybe they're they're two this year.
Like I'd strongly consider that's to drop down a handful
of spots and get a couple of extra high picks.
I would, I would think strongly about that.

Speaker 3 (46:07):
You know, not to have to do it now, but
Chris and Josh have put up the draft order as
it stands today. I do remind you the Patriots have
three games left, two against the Bills, one against the Chargers.
They will not be favored in all three of those games,
So uh, just there's there's things that could happen. They're
not cemented in it. Number three right now, I think

(46:28):
number three might be the floor as to where they're
going to be.

Speaker 2 (46:32):
You know, yeah, i'd probably agree with that. I mean
I do see, you know, some intrigue of getting up
to two and you know, wondering if someone's willing to
make a trade up for something more kind of a thing. Yeah,
it's possible, and you have I think they did have
the you know, a mock draft kind of up there.
I mean that's where those two tackles go. I mean
you're looking at it right now, where you look down
at Will Campbell going seven in this projection and Calvin

(46:55):
Bank's going at nine. Those are probably the two ranked tackles,
even though some question if they are actually tackles, especially
with Campbell, But I mean that makes sense. I mean
that's where you're saying, look, this is a need that
we could check. But there are plenty of guys that
are fans of Teed McMillan and obviously the Travis Hunter
people are out there, and I love that. I love
me some Abdual Carter too, So I think you can

(47:15):
make a case for all those kind of things. That's like,
it goes back to what you said, Matt, they need
it all and you can make a case pretty much
for any anybody except the quarterbacks on the top ten.

Speaker 3 (47:23):
Right, So a lot of things that have been stuffed
down throats of the last few years or value. You know,
you're not going to take somebody three that wouldn't necessarily
go until eight or nine because the value isn't right.
I guess my question to you is if you if
you're saying that you need to build your offensive and
defensive lines because you're tired of getting the sand kicked

(47:44):
at you every single week by losing the line of scrimmage,
does it matter if you're three? We need to tackle
and I don't care if he's a seventh ranked guy
or the ninth ranked guy. We're going to take a tackle.

Speaker 2 (47:54):
I mean, if you believe in the player. I mean,
I just believe. If you believe in the player, sure,
and that's what I you know, look like, look, the
whole offense is pretty much coming back, Like this whole
offense that we watched today, they're all back everybody. I mean,
it's Austin Hooper, like they got to figure him out.
Otherwise on a one year deal though, right, So on
a one year deal, So I mean you can. But regardless,

(48:15):
it's it's not like you're saying, well, we need some
death pieces too, Like you just need to start raising
the talent level and getting rid of some of the
low end guys that you've picked up along the way,
that you know might have been practice squad guys that
you've given a chance to try to blossom and they
haven't blossom. So those kind of players, it doesn't matter
you can cut them. There's no there's no real damage
done by not hitting on those kind of guys. So

(48:36):
they just it's not a matter of quantity. They need quality.

Speaker 3 (48:41):
Yep, all right, let's go. Brandon and Atlanta's next on
the Patriots Postgame Show presented by DraftKings.

Speaker 7 (48:47):
Hi, Brandon, Hey, what's up.

Speaker 17 (48:51):
Yeah, I'm just I had a couple or a few
comments I wanted to make and now and I'll hang
up and let you'll finish our discussion. The first thing,
I think Cal Guggers should be forced to walk back
from Arizona to Foxborough. Secondly, I think Jake Sean Boody
should be off this team, not only because he's clearly

(49:11):
a liability, but I hate hearing his name during the broadcast.
And lastly, Darien Lowe should be off this team also,
I actually think he should be arrested and thrown in
jail for his crimes against pro football. I appreciate all
y'all do to get his pastination people through these losses
that we have to deal with.

Speaker 3 (49:33):
Brandon some pretty rational consequences. You walked uplan under performers
in his mind.

Speaker 2 (49:40):
I get the frustration, though. It's a look, it's it's
you feel like you're kind of on a treadmill watching
the same game every week. And I assume a lot
of people will probably like me when they came out
in those first couple of plays and they you know,
had some good runs. There were some holes there, made
a couple of plays, and then as soon as the
mistake started, it just kept going and it.

Speaker 7 (50:01):
Was there amazing.

Speaker 4 (50:03):
It was like one holding call and it was like, oh, okay,
we didn't have it this week. Like the the holding
call like preceded a checkdown to try to get in
field going that that didn't work, but they got lucky
because the Cardinals went off side, so it gave him
another chance. So now the checkdown did get him in
field goal range, in which case, then they then missed

(50:23):
the field goal. Like it's like one mistake and they're
done for the game, you.

Speaker 3 (50:31):
Know, correct? This is Robert emailing with the assumption that
Mayo was coaching for his job in the last four games.
What would be his best argument in keeping his job
after today's game? What is his pitch for the final three?
And Robert is emailing that. And I would disagree about
the assumption that Mayo is coaching for his job. It's

(50:51):
a hard position, but that narrative is out there with
a certain amount of the fan base. And let's agree
that Robert maybe believes that as well.

Speaker 2 (51:00):
Sure, I mean, and two of those three are going
to be against Buffalo that looks for most parts, even
against defenses that are pretty good, unstoppable. It's it's gonna
be a huge challenge. It's a huge challenge. I mean,
it almost makes me interested to watch it, even though
it's probably gonna be pretty painful. But I mean, they've
got to figure out something so they didn't gonna run
off the field. I mean, people were still how long

(51:20):
do we talk about the no punts in the twenty
twenty one playoff game, Like, I mean, this has the
potential to make that look bad if they keep playing
this way and don't really have any any And it's
just it's hard to see where they're gonna find it
at this point in the season. If you don't got it,
you don't got it well.

Speaker 3 (51:36):
And as we started and we kicked things off, we
talked about that there hasn't been really a lack of
an effort. But we're at that time of the year
three and eleven. You know, holiday seasons upon us, and
you want to when business decisions start taking over as
opposed to just balling out.

Speaker 2 (51:52):
That's what's hard to I mean, I don't know if
the players will feel the same way as I do
right now, but just the frustration if it's the same thing,
like and how much work did they put in this week?
And you know all the speeches that you're talking about,
let's finish right, let's put good tape out there for
not just this team, but for all the other teams
that are going to be considering us. And then to
go out and and and have a kind of a
team loss like this, like a loss where it's not
like one or two guys like screwed up. It's just no,

(52:14):
you just you just got beat You got beat up
and down the field, scored on six of eight drives.
That's I mean, you're not playing defense, You're not punching
back in any way. And it's it's got to be
a daunting task to go up to Buffalo and and
try to figure out way to slow down Josh Allen
from just going up and down the field like he's
you know, on a sleigh.

Speaker 4 (52:30):
Rill seriousness, The biggest hope you have next week is
if they just over confidence, well not over confident, but.

Speaker 7 (52:37):
Just like they just had this interest. They had two.

Speaker 4 (52:40):
Barn burners on the road. You know, they didn't show
up to play against the Rams. You know, they righted
themselves after they gave up the block punt for a
touchdown and gave themselves a chance to get back in it.
Then they were able to get themselves, you know, back
ready to go in this game. But that's the only
chance is that they're a little tired and not ready
to play next week because of these two you know, tired,

(53:03):
you know, disinterested.

Speaker 7 (53:05):
I mean, like we just we just played the Ram.

Speaker 4 (53:07):
We just went up and we put forty plus on
the Rams in the Lions and back to back games.
Now we're playing a three and eleven team. We don't
really need our a game to.

Speaker 3 (53:15):
Human nature would suggest that they can suffer letdown. The
problem is they're letdown. Instead of scoring forty five next week,
they might only score thirty two, right and then then,
and they'll play well in doing so.

Speaker 4 (53:26):
But I would say that if I were Buffalo would
I'd be literary of I'm not saying this is to happen.
I'm playing Devil's advocate. I'd be you know, like, you're
not ready to go. You're not going to score forty,
but maybe you turn the ball over a couple of
times in the first half and you give them free
points right well, their margins and you give them, you know,
you give them hope early in the game.

Speaker 3 (53:47):
Where the Patriots have no margin of error, Buffalo has
a wide marginive error. You know, Dean in Liverpool rights.
It's just really painful viewing at the minute. The run
defense is absolutely pathetic. It was like Moses parting of
the sea offensively wouldn't get anything going into the last quarter.
By then the game was gone. Tough first three quarters
for Drake, no separation from receivers, and then when he did,
he overthrew Boute unlucky with the interception. Continue to show

(54:10):
great fight and getting two touchdowns. The sooner this is over,
says Dean, the better and the emails pouring in fast
and furious.

Speaker 2 (54:19):
I might add, and then this, this Bills team might
be the toughest challenge of the whole year, especially going
this week, going there. I mean, this team knows you.
I mean the last year you beat them. I'm sure
that'll be the game that Sean McDermott puts up on
the film last year when they came in here and
lost to the Patriots. But you know, stranger things have happened.
Been talking a little about two thousand and four. I'm

(54:40):
sure you guys remember that with Miami pulling off an
improbable victory over the two thousand and four Patriots down
the stretch. So you know, maybe you can talk yourself
into that one. But just based on the lot how
these last four games have gone for the Patriots, where
it's been up and down, you know, maybe you can
say this was the down week, and I think it's
what twice in a row we've heard Alex van Peltz.

(55:01):
I feel like we took a step back last week
and then you take a step forward. Maybe next week
they do take a step forward, but I certainly am
not counting on it, and it will be, you know,
surprise to see if they if they find a new
gear in any aspect here over these last three games.

Speaker 3 (55:14):
The email addresses podcast at Patriots dot Com, Jake from
Australia state No, not from him, he says. I usually
say good day, but it definitely hasn't been a good day.
Three items. Again, with the rough treatment of Darien Lowe,
he needs to be released as soon as they get
back number two new offensive and defensive coordinators next year.
I will happily argue AVP isn't to praise for me.

(55:37):
I also know it's hard to make chicken salad with chicken,
you know what, but my god, it's horrible to watch three.
Jake is saying they've lost the locker room. That's it.
Thanks for something, thanks for helping out today. I would
disagree about losing the locker room, but they've got three
to go, and who knows.

Speaker 4 (55:55):
I have no idea if he has or doesn't have
the locker room. I have no clue on that. I
don't think coming off a bye that was as uninspired
or performance as.

Speaker 3 (56:04):
You could have.

Speaker 2 (56:05):
It's just hard for me because you know, Toromeo has
just never been a coach before, and I don't know
how rare this is to have a coach of your
NFL team that's never You can't look back to a
previous coaching experience and be like, you know, here's where
he had success, here's you know, his style, this is
what he wants to do. He was just such a
great unknown, and you know, it's really hard right now
to believe, you know, like that's the bottom line is.

(56:27):
You know, as a coach, you want to believe that
you're telling your players that are going to put them
in position to be successful, that you're giving them the
answers to the test, as the cliche goes, And you
know what point do you feel like, well, does he
know the answers to the test? Because we're coming in
here every week and it kind of looks the same.
We're not seeing improvement. We're not really And I'm as
surprised about that as anybody, because I would tell you

(56:48):
I truly believe that just by simply practicing every week
that a football team has to kind of get better,
like working together, like there has to be some I
know how hard these guys work. I don't think that
that's bs. So it's just but I don't see it.
And that's what's disheartening is that I know they're putting
the work in. There should be some improvement, but it's
the same brain fart mistakes and the same thing and

(57:10):
the same game over and over and over again. And
you want to tell me anything. The only thing all
the only hill I'll die on right now is that
Drake May is pretty good and Christian is also pretty good.
Any other hill I'm not. I'm not defending that hill,
you know, to the death.

Speaker 9 (57:21):
All right.

Speaker 3 (57:22):
This is admittedly, this is an odd one to touch upon.
They go out for the coin toss, the Patriots win
the to and they choose to receive the ball. I
kind of like it a because it's different. It's not
what everybody else is doing. Is the coach trying to
make a statement to his team. We need to start fast, Mike.

(57:42):
As you pointed out, they had a couple good plays,
you know, positive plays, pick up a first down. Maybe
something's going on here. Maybe they will score, you know,
and then the penalty and they crumble. Now the crumble
ends with the missed field goal, not like it just
it wasn't you know, they didn't go, they weren't finished,
but the coach trying to kick start things by taking

(58:06):
the ball first, and that does nothing to help them
do that. They miss a field goal, and now they're
chasing because the other team scores first. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (58:14):
Yeah, I mean it was a really interesting choice. I
mean we've talked a lot about that with I usually
like to defer, and I mean maybe they just wanted
clear headspace to get into that game and let their
rookie quarterback. We've got, you know, our plays scripted that
we know we want to open with. We've been working
on them. We feel good about it. We're gonna you know.
But then if you're so good on him, why you
know you're making mistakes on that.

Speaker 7 (58:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (58:35):
Yeah, I do think that it was interesting because I
think they felt like it's really important to what Matt
said to get off to a good start, and they
don't want to fall behind. So they felt good about
their plan, I guess, and they wanted the ball first,
and they figured if we can get a lead and
maybe we can play this game on our terms. I
would defer, you know, nine thousand times, you know.

Speaker 7 (58:56):
Every day.

Speaker 4 (58:57):
I would just prefer to defer because it always gives
you a chance to get consecutive possessions. And I think
that's an advantage in an NFL game. There are times
where it, you know, it can make sense. And if
that was the line of thought today for girod Meo,
I think that you can make an argument for that
that getting the lead was important for this team and

(59:18):
that's what he wanted to do. He certainly can't have
a great amount of confidence in his defense right now.

Speaker 3 (59:23):
Nope, this is Floyd and Redford Michigan asking what are
some and he uses quotation marks here signs that a
new head coach the first year has their program headed
in the right direction. And that's from Floyd and Redford
Michigan right now at three and eleven. That's hard to see,
isn't it.

Speaker 2 (59:39):
I know, I have nothing to say. I don't know.

Speaker 4 (59:42):
They've showed no signs of that. I'll say that, but
what are some signs? Just generically I would have said
before today, you've seen some of those in Carolina. Now
they got kind of they played more like Carolina the
first half of the season. Today at home against you know,

(01:00:03):
a banged up Dallas team.

Speaker 3 (01:00:04):
What do you say, boat raced? The boat raced today?

Speaker 7 (01:00:08):
Yeah, what is boat race?

Speaker 11 (01:00:09):
To me?

Speaker 4 (01:00:09):
Boat raced is kind of what the Patriots got like
they would never r in it. Panthers were in it,
but they kept turning.

Speaker 3 (01:00:16):
The ball over.

Speaker 4 (01:00:17):
And I think Bryce Young looked a little bit more
like early season Bryce Young today, But they had previous
to that.

Speaker 7 (01:00:23):
They had won two in a row.

Speaker 4 (01:00:25):
Then they lost on the last play of the game
to Kansas City in overtime after fumbling in field goal range.
They lost an overtime to Tampa Bay, and then lost
another game to Philadelphia last week at Philadelphia that Xavier
Laget dropped a potential go ahead touchdown in the final minute,
that's a sign that a young team is sort of

(01:00:46):
buying in and establishing something. And I'm not talking about
effort per se, because I don't. I say this a
million times. I don't see a lot of games where
I don't I openly see guys not trying. But it's
it's a passion like it's you know, and it's not
a faux passion like pigs. The Patriots got called for

(01:01:08):
that that very very questionable rough in the passion that
overturned the interception today, right, you know, I didn't think
that was a penalty on Anthony Jennings quite frankly. Then
the next play they get like a strength they string
out James Connor for like no gain on a sweep
in the sideline just explodes with excitement and enthusiasm, like

(01:01:28):
all right, so we just got kind of screwed by
a bad call. So now we're going to show everybody
how hard we're playing, which everybody knows it, and we're
gonna celebrate like one you know, Mundane run stop in
the middle of a game in which they couldn't stop
the run, you know, like that's is that enthusiasm misplaced?

Speaker 3 (01:01:48):
Paul, Because I think you're saying, I think both of
you guys said you thought they came out flat. Would
you want to see maybe a little bit more of.

Speaker 4 (01:01:53):
That emotion at the beginning of the game, Like, I
don't know, I still think they're very good, Like I
don't I don't think that the effort is an issue.

Speaker 7 (01:02:00):
I know we're gonna hear that a lot this week. Matt,
I know it, Mike. What do I always do it?
What do I always tell you?

Speaker 10 (01:02:07):
Mike?

Speaker 7 (01:02:08):
I always tell you the week's narrative before it happen.

Speaker 18 (01:02:10):
You're gonna hear a lot of they're not playing for Mayo,
they weren't ready. That was the best they could do
coming off about You're gonna hear a lot of that.
They're not playing hard, they didn't play, they weren't ready
to play.

Speaker 7 (01:02:21):
But they're not good.

Speaker 4 (01:02:23):
They're not good enough right now to go, you know,
across the country and play a team that was desperately fighting.

Speaker 7 (01:02:30):
For its playoff life.

Speaker 3 (01:02:31):
Yep, yep.

Speaker 4 (01:02:32):
That was a predict That's why we all picked Arizona, correct,
all three of us, everybody except for Fred. And we
can if we can forgive Fred because you know he's Fred.
But that was a very predictable final score. Like Reese
and I do all Access with Matt every week, we
try very hard to to make an argument. Mike Reeson

(01:02:53):
and I both picked Arizona. You know, I don't think
that that means that you're not trying. I don't think
that means that you're you're not prepared, you're not you're
flat or whatever. I just don't think they have the
horses right now to compete.

Speaker 3 (01:03:07):
And the next three weeks they're playing the number two seed.
Is that are the Chargers in the playoffs?

Speaker 4 (01:03:12):
Are on the outside looking they're in the playoffs, but
they got they got boat raced today.

Speaker 3 (01:03:16):
Okay, So my point is that's a very.

Speaker 7 (01:03:18):
Seventeen I'd say that's.

Speaker 3 (01:03:20):
A very important game for the Chargers, and you know,
not an enviable position to be for the Patriots who
are lacking on the talent end of things. Really bad
in that case. Uh. This is Lucas from Rochester who writes,
Drake was awesome. I don't know why it takes us
being down so much to get decent play calling. Maybe
it's a soft zone, but I've been a defender of
ABP all year. This game has completely shaken my confidence.

(01:03:42):
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Speaker 16 (01:03:59):
What's happening?

Speaker 19 (01:03:59):
First of praise and props to Brandon I think it
was a caller from Atlanta. That was pretty funny.

Speaker 2 (01:04:04):
I was tabling walk through playing.

Speaker 19 (01:04:06):
The list of three terrible things, but and also praise
see you guys as inspired and I got myself a
delicious blueberry glazed donut was on my good list.

Speaker 9 (01:04:17):
Thanks for.

Speaker 19 (01:04:19):
Yeah, thanks for your service to my pudgy holiday body.
I wanted to I wanted to do a little rant
or ask you guys some questions about or good friend
Marcus Jones. Am I right he had like an eighteen
yard cash and run today, right?

Speaker 9 (01:04:38):
Yes?

Speaker 19 (01:04:38):
Yeah, So I can't quite figure I think that he
is best well probably special teams then offense than defense,
but I don't know how you might rank it different,
But that's how.

Speaker 11 (01:04:53):
I see it.

Speaker 19 (01:04:53):
But I can't figure out why they don't have a
more consistent place for him on the offense. And the
other thing is part of the rant. I'm not saying
that he's Drake or Gonzales on the team, but I
think he's a piece. I think is I imagine him
as an integral piece in the future, depending on what
the Wolfman does in the offseason. But I remember, you know,
it was early this year that that AVP he was

(01:05:15):
signaling something about how initially he wasn't even aware of
Marcus Jones' past offensive snaps, which just seems so weird.
And I didn't understand for approaching staff that supposedly puts
this premium on collaboration and communication, I don't know how
that happen.

Speaker 11 (01:05:30):
So it's just one of these.

Speaker 19 (01:05:32):
Weird little things that there's a little hodgepodge potpourri of
Marcus Jones stock. I'll leave you guys with all listen offline.

Speaker 3 (01:05:38):
Thank you for call sp I'm gonna disagree with one
thing that he said. I like Marcus Jones. I think
he's a good player. I don't think on a good
team he can be his words, an integral part of
the team. He's a complimentary player with his size that
he can be very dynamic in the kicking game, and

(01:05:59):
that's what his role is instead of, you know, is
he a spot defender or a situation slot defender in
certain places on a good defense. Maybe is he a
contributor on offense? You know, a couple of snaps here
or there because he is dynamic with the ball. But
I don't think. I don't think Marcus Jones at that
height and weight can be an integral part of a

(01:06:20):
good team.

Speaker 2 (01:06:21):
Yeah, I'd agree with that. I mean, I think he
I think it's a few players on this team that
if you had the talent around them, that they would
kind of settle into their and they could be solid.
But right now it all kind of looks like garbage
because they don't have to ask this and I don't
know the answer to them.

Speaker 7 (01:06:37):
This is not this is not a midweek PU set up.
But do you think that Marcus Jones would be productive
as a full time offensive player?

Speaker 2 (01:06:52):
Uh? I don't, not really. I mean I think, I mean,
I think he's like swing passes and in space. I
don't know if he's going to go in the slot
and run a and run a whip route and get open.
You know, I don't know if that's it. I think
it's a little.

Speaker 7 (01:07:04):
Why I purpose it by saying I don't know the answer.

Speaker 2 (01:07:06):
To this, Yeah, I mean I think he needs to
have a special there's a.

Speaker 4 (01:07:10):
Little him that are like to like, you know, I
always bring up to to at well, you know, like
there's a lot of little guys like that that play offense.

Speaker 7 (01:07:18):
They're not going to be volume guys.

Speaker 4 (01:07:19):
They're not to to well's not catching a hundred balls,
but he's gonna make some plays for the Rams, and
there are other guys like that. Can Marcus Jones be
a full time contributor, because if he could, I'd be
in fair of of moving him on offense. I've seen
more from him as an offensive player than I have
as a defensive player. And that's just not to say
that I think he's a bad defensive player, because I

(01:07:39):
don't think he is bad.

Speaker 3 (01:07:40):
It's a matchup problem with the size.

Speaker 4 (01:07:43):
I think that he is what he is. He's five
to eight, and he's a willing tackler. He's a physical
he tries to be physical. Now he's an ankle bier,
but he's generally a pretty sure tackler. He's aggressive, he's
you know, he's very competitive. I don't have bad things
to say about the player. I just don't think what

(01:08:03):
his skill set is is good enough, as Matt said,
to be a full time cornerback. So I wonder could
he be a full time offensive player, not as.

Speaker 7 (01:08:12):
Like a Julian Edelman.

Speaker 4 (01:08:13):
He's going to catch one hundred and twenty balls, but
could he catch thirty balls and you know, average like
fifteen fifteen.

Speaker 7 (01:08:21):
Can you be like Greg Dortch? He can't be much
different in size than Greg.

Speaker 3 (01:08:25):
How many catches did Dortsch have?

Speaker 7 (01:08:26):
Three for sixty?

Speaker 12 (01:08:27):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:08:27):
So Marcus Jones had one play today? What's the volume
for him that you would feel comfortable about offensively three times?

Speaker 4 (01:08:34):
But I'm just saying, like George had four touches today,
and he also is their returner, so we had a
couple opportunities in an apartment turning game. Could Marcus Jones be
better served being that? Again, I don't know the answer.

Speaker 7 (01:08:45):
Please don't please don't.

Speaker 4 (01:08:47):
Don't at me with this one, because I'm not telling
you that that he's a bust on I don't think
he's a bust on defense.

Speaker 3 (01:08:51):
I don't trying to find another spot.

Speaker 7 (01:08:54):
I'm wondering if he might be better served in another area.

Speaker 2 (01:08:56):
I think he would be best served as the fourth corner,
not the primary slot, but your matchup fourth guy that
you can use when there's a little quick guy that
we need somebody kind of sticky. My concern on offense
is just that I think, and maybe I'm misremembering, but
every play that I remember him playing on offense was
either the end around a wheel route. It was getting

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him in space and kind of throwing it to him
in the backfield or handing it off to him. I've
never really seen him run routes, you know, I don't
know what that looks like. And so if he could
do that stuff, then I might be more open to it.
I just think, given what I've seen of him, you
can only run so many swing passes and a rounds.

Speaker 4 (01:09:34):
The plays that he's on the field, he's generally a
designery target. They're designed for him, even if he's a decoy.
He was in the little shovel pass that we like
to get right want to him. We're gonna put him on.
We're gonna show everybody that we're gonna hand it to him.
But then we're not gonna hand.

Speaker 9 (01:09:50):
It to him.

Speaker 2 (01:09:50):
Yeah right, you know, h yeah. I just to just
to wrap the thought. I mean, I just I think
if you could prove that, I'd be I would I'd
be open to it. I think in a perfect world,
he's your partner turner. He's your fourth corner where it's matchup,
so he's not playing every down on the corner, and
then you mix him in for five to ten plays
a game and use that kind of stuff I think.
I think that would be the perfect usage of Marcus.

Speaker 3 (01:10:09):
Jones Yvonne in Toronto, right. So, I know Fred has
mentioned we need to give the coaching staff a chance,
but I hope they don't. I'm not saying fire mail,
but I seriously think everyone else to be needs to
be on the hot seat. That's Yvonne in Toronto.

Speaker 2 (01:10:25):
I just I think we're gonna have this conversation a lot.
And I just I I was home open to see
progress and improvement, and I haven't seen those things. So
it's just it's hard for me to point to evidence
to say, you know, why it's going in the right direction.
They've got three more games to prove it. But talk
is cheap, and we've heard, you know, kind of the
same stuff week after week. And that's what gets redundant

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in the NFL when teams are losing and they say
all the right things, but when the product looks the same,
it is what it is.

Speaker 3 (01:10:51):
You know, Paul, we've had this discussion the last couple
of years. Well, you know, they've hit rock bottom and
you said.

Speaker 2 (01:10:58):
I'll let you know, hold on, that's my favorite before
you proclaim rock bottom.

Speaker 7 (01:11:02):
You know, when you know, you hit rock bottom.

Speaker 4 (01:11:04):
When you start to play well again, when the rebuild
is over and you're a good team again, then you
can look back and say that game was rock bottom.

Speaker 3 (01:11:14):
You can't look at a terrible loss in like week
twelve in.

Speaker 4 (01:11:18):
The season where you've already lost six in a row
and the identify like is this rock bottom?

Speaker 7 (01:11:22):
Is that rock bottom? Was the Dallas game last year
rock bottom?

Speaker 12 (01:11:25):
Like?

Speaker 7 (01:11:25):
No, especially when you got to go to Buffalo.

Speaker 3 (01:11:26):
It well, I think I think it's very hard at
this point in time, when we're sitting here to try
what or what is not rock bottom, to look at
the next three weeks and go and feel good about it.
Hard to do that based on the body of work
that this team is produced, for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:11:41):
And I mean even you know, we talk a lot
about the two Buffalo games. I mean, even you know
the Chargers they're they're a tough team too. I mean,
at this point, how can you believe anything in this
Patriots team that they're gonna, you know, be able to
pull it out and be competitive. I mean, I'm not
saying it can't happen, but at this point it'll be surprising.

Speaker 7 (01:11:55):
Georges losing at home today is gonna mean that game
is going to be very.

Speaker 3 (01:11:59):
Yeah, couple, Ford in Savannah, Georgia. That's not David Andrews
kid Ford. That's right anyway, Ford writes, if the Patriots
end up with a third overall pick and don't select
Travis Hunter, then I'm out on Elliott Wolf and anyone
involved in selecting players. They need guys who are the
guys who are the rising tide to raise all ships

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and whole team it's accountable and make them better. This
is Travis Hunter. He'd be their number one wide receiver
and take away opponent's number two weapon on defense. One
pick to make the Pats better on offensive defense, which
is just what is needed. Ford in Savannah, Georgia, and
we've already talked about Paul, and I would agree with you.
I don't envision a scenario if they pick Travis Hunter,

(01:12:41):
then he's playing both ways.

Speaker 4 (01:12:44):
I just not full time. I just like this is
gonna be the guy who breaks the mold. He's gonna
play every snap on both sides of the ball. He's
gonna be Chuck Bednarik.

Speaker 2 (01:12:53):
Is it is it the number two receivers that are
that are giving us a hard time? Or is it
the fact that we have no pass rushers at all? Like,
you know, I get what he's saying, and again, like
I'm not gonna spend this whole spring saying no, I
don't want Travis Hunter, like he's too talented. But realistically,
when you look at what they need and what he
is probably going to do in the NFL, which might
be great at cornerback, but I think that there's easily

(01:13:14):
a case to be made that they need other things
more and that there are other interact players.

Speaker 7 (01:13:18):
Yes, there is a case we made.

Speaker 4 (01:13:19):
I have no problem with picking Travis Hunter, just I
do have a problem with the notion of we're picking
him so he can.

Speaker 7 (01:13:25):
Solve two problems.

Speaker 3 (01:13:27):
That's not gonna happen.

Speaker 4 (01:13:28):
First of all, I don't think he's a great wide receiver.
I've watched enough. You know, I'm certainly no expert on
the Colorado Buffaloes, but I've watched enough that he's an
athlete who they throw the ball up to. I don't
really see a lot of sort of decision running precision
to his game well as a corner elite.

Speaker 2 (01:13:45):
Yeah, but I mean, is it kind of like what
I was saying. I haven't watched enough of Ian. I've
obviously seen him play, But is it the same thing
I was saying with Marcus Jones, where it's kind of
design plays and not like all right, oh, you're gonna
run the same land.

Speaker 4 (01:13:54):
They run him down. They run him down the field
and throw balls up to him, and he now jumps me.

Speaker 7 (01:13:58):
He's six to one.

Speaker 4 (01:13:58):
I know everybody's thinks he's too smart, and don't take
it at that.

Speaker 7 (01:14:02):
Is he over one hundred pounds.

Speaker 4 (01:14:03):
I mean, I think he might be down to a
buck twenty, but he's six one. They throw the ball
up to him and he makes place because he's a
better athlete than everybody else.

Speaker 7 (01:14:11):
On the field. For he will not be the better
athlete on everybody on the field when he's in the NFL.

Speaker 3 (01:14:16):
Right John from the District of Columbia wants to pour
some cold water on the draft. In the Rebuild, he
says he hates to be the bearer of bad news,
but the cavalry isn't coming to save us. Point number
one by all accounts parentheses. Listening to scouts on various podcasts,
and before we start hearing all the draft type, this
is a less that's in capital letters. Talented draft class

(01:14:38):
compared to previous years.

Speaker 4 (01:14:39):
That is correct according to the experts. I've heard the
same thing.

Speaker 3 (01:14:43):
Number two, about fifteen players are genuinely, genuinely elite, and
the scouts are saying that even the top three tackles Campbell, Banks,
and Williams may all need a year behind a veteran tackle. Hello,
Garrett Bulls to learn car Bulls.

Speaker 7 (01:14:56):
Gart Boles resigned with no.

Speaker 3 (01:14:58):
I think he I think he's alluding to that. Number three.
There are another one hundred and fifteen players or so
basically through the end of round four who are quote
role players and depth pieces on any other team, but
would be an improven for the Patriots, O line, D, line,
linebacker corps and secondary. Wrapping it up, he says, basically,
you're only getting game changers if you're willing to pay

(01:15:18):
in free agency next year. Otherwise, right off twenty five
and wait till twenty six. And that's John from the
District of Columbia. I'd like to see. I mean, are
there game changers?

Speaker 10 (01:15:29):
Are there?

Speaker 3 (01:15:30):
Game chase free agency? Don't the smart teams sign the
game change?

Speaker 9 (01:15:33):
There are?

Speaker 2 (01:15:33):
Look, and you can tell me all this of how
the generalities are of the draft, But I'm sorry. Every
year there are good players that get drafted, and there
are people in there that are pooking the coops of
the world or guys that fall through the cracks. So like,
that's great, you can tell me what the draft's shaping
up to be. But we need better and we're gonna
demand better of our ownership in our GM to go
and find those players. And that's what it's gonna require.
And I'm sorry, I'm not just gonna be like you know,

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and it's the thing that pisses us off about the
stupid tackle thing. What did you want them to do?
Then there's no talent in the draft, Well, they can't
get better next year, Like tough.

Speaker 7 (01:16:03):
They gotta find it.

Speaker 2 (01:16:04):
That's what their jobs are, and our expectations should be
higher than Look, this year, we got one guy who's
playing at a high level right now in the draft.
That's not acceptable and it can't be acceptable next year either,
no matter how talented or not you tell me this
draft is rant.

Speaker 4 (01:16:18):
I would just say, you can get you can get
difference makers in free agency.

Speaker 7 (01:16:23):
You can't create a team through free agency. It won't last.
You'll get a one year bump. If you go out
and sign six eight free agents.

Speaker 3 (01:16:30):
But we saw that in twenty one.

Speaker 4 (01:16:31):
I mean I could give you a laundry list of
guys that have changed teams, that have completely changed the team,
like guys like AJ Brown, and I count those guys
as free Like when you make a trade like that,
that's free agency, Reggie White, Like you go out and
get difference making players and they transform your team immediately. Now,
if you want to do what the Patriots did in
twenty twenty one, you're gonna be just like everybody else.

(01:16:51):
It'll work initially, you'll be better, but it will be unsustainable.
It's not the way to build a team. You have
to do it the way Mike is saying.

Speaker 2 (01:16:59):
It got to hit some draft and you get a
little bit of a pass, you know, in your first
year and your first offseason and all those things. But
it wasn't good enough last year. The guys that they
went out and got, and we don't have to go
through all of them, but the free agents, the draft class,
it hasn't been good enough. It needs to be better.
They have to be aggressive. There's no excuses for it.
I mean, they have the money, they have the draft picks,

(01:17:20):
they have the cap space, all of those things that
you need to to build a team in the offseason.
There's no excuse for them. So I mean this is
they've got to be as sick watching this team rollout
we after week being over out, you know, outmanned as
we are. So go out find the gems. That's and
that's what the great teams do. And if you don't
do it, we know how this industry works. You're not
gonna last very long.

Speaker 3 (01:17:41):
Bookkeeping thing to just sort of clean up. We spent
one might consider this an anordinate amount of time in
the pregame show talking about who did you want to
see in this game?

Speaker 9 (01:17:50):
Who are you looking for?

Speaker 3 (01:17:52):
And we're talking about Jalen Polk and we saw nobody.
Paul You you've got the stats up there. How many
targets for Jalen Polk today?

Speaker 13 (01:17:59):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (01:17:59):
Hope one? Okay, I thought that was one more than
I thought.

Speaker 2 (01:18:04):
I didn't know that he was about his game average
these days.

Speaker 4 (01:18:07):
He was covered like a blanket in the end zone
on the on the first garbage time touchdown, he was
covered like a blanket and uh may threw it away
over his head.

Speaker 3 (01:18:16):
Okay, I didn't know. I didn't realize he was even
targeted once, so more than that, But again, it just
shows you for a guy that everybody's saying, can you
step up? He did Bupkis today.

Speaker 2 (01:18:26):
I know, and that's and I think that's just kind
of a you know, cliche. And he's the second round
pick and all the things that go with him. But
you know, at a certain point, it's like, this season
is what it is. It's not gonna turn around in
these last three games.

Speaker 3 (01:18:38):
No, David Maine rights, I'm with the caller that was
against trading down. We've been pretty bad at evaluating talent
and Wolf isn't good enough to be cute stick and
pick offensive tackle or edge, preferably offensive tackle. If there
is a world that we would get Will Campbell and Carter,
then sign me up for that. How do you get
both those guys? It's gonna be tough, right, So we've
proven time and time again that we cannot develop wide

(01:18:59):
receivers and we took two last year. So no wide
receivers in this draft. Instead, try to get one in
free agency. Your thoughts, well, we already told you that
Campbell and Carter isn't gonna happen. I don't think no.

Speaker 2 (01:19:10):
I mean my thoughts are what they've always been. I
would take a Day two wide receiver almost every single
year at this point, you know, and unless you're in
a special year where you're like, we really don't need it.
But they did they I mean, they picked the wrong
one last year. I mean, unless there's a miracle turnaround
for him, they picked the wrong one again last year.
But there's too much talent every year that comes out
at the wide receiver position. And I think that's why,

(01:19:33):
you know, Paul and I both kind of bristle it, like,
well they you know, Bill Belichick couldn't draft the wide
receiver in twenty nineteen, so in twenty twenty five, Eli
Wolf shouldn'tdraft gets this?

Speaker 7 (01:19:41):
Yeah, it drives me. It makes sense, It drives me.

Speaker 4 (01:19:44):
And like, can I also like Babe defend like Elliott
Wolf a little bit, just a little? Like can we
not lump in like jay Von Baker with the failed
like like Chad Jackson, a fourth round guy who was
clearly off of a lot of a lot of people's radar,
off people's draft boards.

Speaker 7 (01:20:04):
He had red flags.

Speaker 4 (01:20:05):
Fourth round guy that's not the same as Taekwon Thornton
Jalen Polk, Nikhil Harry. Those those are premium picks that
haven't panned out so far.

Speaker 3 (01:20:15):
You know, uh Ford from Savannah again writing in, you
guys are kind of making me angry. Sorry, have you
watched college football this year? Travis Hunter would easily be
our number one wide receiver right now. He can run routes,
he can catch the ball, and he is the same
mentality as Malik Neighbors. He gets open. All these qualities

(01:20:38):
I just listened are not found on our roster right now.
Thanks Ford.

Speaker 4 (01:20:41):
Okay, So can I just say one thing will cook
in the middle of this email. I don't disagree with
any of that. I think he probably would be their
best wide receiver what I'm telling and it's just my view.
I do not see him being the guy who breaks
the mold and plays one hundred snaps a game right,
fifty on offense, fifty on defense. Maybe he will be

(01:21:04):
the guy that he's Shohea Tani.

Speaker 7 (01:21:06):
Maybe he is, Maybe he's that good. I don't think
that that will happen. I don't think he'll be.

Speaker 4 (01:21:12):
A full time two way player in the NFL. Therefore,
I think he's a better corner than a wide receiver.

Speaker 7 (01:21:17):
I might be wrong.

Speaker 4 (01:21:19):
I don't see this level of play as a wide receiver.
I see an athlete making plays as a wide receiver.
Does that mean he'd be the best wide receiver on
the comment Patriots roster?

Speaker 7 (01:21:28):
Yep, yep, he would be. He's absolutely The email is
absolutely right.

Speaker 3 (01:21:32):
And he finishes his screed by saying, you're saying he
can't play both ways because it hasn't been done yet.
He is someone who could. Just because it hasn't happened
yet doesn't.

Speaker 7 (01:21:42):
Mean it is true.

Speaker 3 (01:21:43):
He's that good. That's Ford and Savannah. Kevin in South Carolina,
You're next on the Patriots postgame Show presented by DraftKings.

Speaker 20 (01:21:49):
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Speaker 3 (01:21:58):
Okay, there's a butt coming, but go right ahead.

Speaker 11 (01:22:01):
Canat thank you.

Speaker 20 (01:22:02):
I'm here for the Human Resources Department for the New
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of quote spray job, a wide open booty sprayed, one
shot play and decision on I can't read my own writing.
The point is, boys, what has happened to our program?
Asking these ladies this is.

Speaker 7 (01:22:23):
What happens when you go three and eleven.

Speaker 4 (01:22:25):
This is what you get, right, So I you know,
as long as we're doing some for keeping, thank you, Kevin.
I just wanted to defend myself on the quarter pole.

Speaker 7 (01:22:35):
Three quarter pole.

Speaker 3 (01:22:37):
Oh that a way, Paul. It's a good way to
lead into Mayo.

Speaker 4 (01:22:39):
I looked it up and I'm right, it's according to
the Google machine anyway said that the three quarter pole
is not the first part. It's the end when you
only have a quarter left, according to the Google machine.

Speaker 2 (01:22:57):
Well, I thought that was established law. I thought Fred
said that on the show on Thursday, and my brain
went through the same exact thing where I was like,
because Fred was pointed about here at the three quarter
pole to say it that way, and I was like,
is that right? And then I remember, because I thought
we'd been through all this before, I thought this was
the established I like it.

Speaker 3 (01:23:14):
When somebody criticizes Paul and then he goes to the
Google to try to assue if he drops the Google.
Thirty to seventeen, the Patriots lose to the Arizona Cardinals
three and eleven. Now the record on the year three
games left. Let's go to Arizona and listen to the
postgame press conferences of head coach Jerrod Mayo.

Speaker 10 (01:23:32):
Than, all right, never mind, take it back.

Speaker 6 (01:23:36):
You know, I kind of sound like a broken record
standing up here, you know, just being disappointed after a
performance like that.

Speaker 10 (01:23:41):
We had to do better.

Speaker 6 (01:23:42):
You look at the stats. You know, they had three
hundred and eighty nine yards. We had three hundred and eleven.
The running game, you know, once again we give up
a big run play that really hurts us and really
skews the rest of the stats. I would say a
third down just in general. You know, we were zero
four on third down and they were probably around seventy
percent on third down. So you know, when you talk
about extending plays, I mean, that's what it is. And

(01:24:03):
then really defensively not showing up in the red area.
Those guys are three for four in the red area,
and those are definitely Look, we've spent a lot of
time on it. Those are definitely it's definitely an important
part of the field, and we just didn't do it
well enough. Again, turnovers, turnovers, there are a couple of
balls on the ground. They got one, But again, I
mean it's what we put on film. So you know,
at the end of the day, we are what we
put on film, We are what our record is.

Speaker 10 (01:24:26):
You know.

Speaker 6 (01:24:27):
Penalties, you know, kind of get into that, you know again,
kind of sets us back on some of these drives
where we're really making headway during the series. I will say, look,
today we won the Corn Toss. I thought the best
thing to do for us was to put the offense
out there. I thought it was an opportunity for us
to go out there and start fast, which it was. Unfortunately,
you know, we walked away with no points on the
missfield goal.

Speaker 10 (01:24:47):
But that was my thinking on that.

Speaker 6 (01:24:49):
You know what I told the guys in there kind
of the same thing I'm telling you. It's like we
all got to take accountability, and what does that look like.
Accountability is not really you know, the my bad or
the accountability isn't coming in saying things like you know,
oh if we would have just did X, Y and Z,
like we've been talking about that all year. Accountability is
going out and correcting and that's about action. It's not
about just sitting here saying you know, that's my fault,

(01:25:10):
my fault. You have enough of those, and that's what
you have out there on the field today fireway.

Speaker 3 (01:25:18):
And then the first offensive series moving the ball.

Speaker 7 (01:25:24):
How frustrating is to see.

Speaker 3 (01:25:25):
The same mistakes.

Speaker 6 (01:25:27):
It's very frustrating. It's very frustrating. And we're not a
good enough football team to be able to go backwards
and overcome you know, those long yarded situations as we've
seen all.

Speaker 10 (01:25:34):
Season an.

Speaker 21 (01:25:38):
Ride.

Speaker 10 (01:25:39):
Yeah, there were definitely thoughts on going forward on fourth down.
You know, we elucted not to so trouble if they
like he became a runner.

Speaker 6 (01:25:49):
Yeah small, Yeah, they just told me that, you know,
even though he is a runner at that they still
have some of that protection as far as hits the head.
So they said Jennings hit him in their head and
they called it.

Speaker 10 (01:26:02):
Gotta live with it. Oh, not at all.

Speaker 6 (01:26:10):
I I thought we were able to run the ball.
I told these guys going into the game, like, we
gotta be able to run the ball for four quarters.
But you know, at the same time, we gotta get open,
we gotta catch the ball, we gotta make the throws,
we gotta block the guys up front, and we gotta
run the ball. Like those are d fundamental things. And
this is why I always go back to like the
ex's and no's are one thing, and we're all pretty
competent as far as ex's and no's are concerned. But
going out there and executing a player, it takes a lot,

(01:26:31):
and we just weren't able to do that on a
consistent basis.

Speaker 3 (01:26:38):
Have a conversation with.

Speaker 13 (01:26:42):
It.

Speaker 10 (01:26:42):
It was very I mean it was disappointing. You know,
I said this. You know, I think probably the first
week of the season.

Speaker 6 (01:26:47):
There comes a point in time as a football team
where everyone in the stadium knows what the play is
and we just got to move bodies and we weren't
able to do that.

Speaker 9 (01:26:56):
Do you feel like you've show.

Speaker 10 (01:27:00):
Look, we have some guys.

Speaker 6 (01:27:00):
We have guys in there that are physically tough, mentally tough,
and you know, my expectation for them is that we
always can move bodies.

Speaker 10 (01:27:06):
Unfortunately, we didn't do that today.

Speaker 12 (01:27:08):
Running Drake in that situation, situation you.

Speaker 10 (01:27:12):
Run, Uh, that's you said it. I didn't.

Speaker 12 (01:27:15):
You've obviously talked about your running game, but then sixty three, what.

Speaker 6 (01:27:20):
Is it that you're seing the lack of un Yeah,
it's just you know, the big run was the big run.
I mean, we had people there to make the play.
I don't know if you guys saw that way. We
had guys there to make the tackle. We just didn't
come up with it. And this is why I continue
to go back to This game is about fundamentals and
tackling being a major one there. It's all. It's always

(01:27:45):
my decision. I would say, look, the quarterback obviously has
you know, a good pair of legs and does a
good job running the ball.

Speaker 10 (01:27:51):
We just chose not to do it there.

Speaker 3 (01:27:55):
Why do you think the way it did?

Speaker 6 (01:27:59):
I gotta watch the film, I would say, you know,
just from on the sideline and seeing the clips on
the Jumbo tron, we had a hard time especially inside
the one sack on uh, I think it was on
low uh. The defensive end got a good jump on
that and ran the hump. So I thought inside, just
from once again not watching the film, I thought inside,
we definitely let some leakage come through.

Speaker 10 (01:28:24):
Again. Just not good enough.

Speaker 3 (01:28:26):
Thanks, lost thirty to seventeen to the Arizona Cardinals. Anything
stick out to you there, boys?

Speaker 2 (01:28:40):
Yeah, I thought that. I don't know what you meant
by that you said it. I didn't with the May
running thing, I don't know if that was meant towards
he wishes that Alex van Peltink consider that. I do
think that that's something we've talked about may I don't
think anybody wants to see may Ron in the middle
of the field necessarily, but in the red zone in
short yarded situations. It's just we all know the advantage
of mobile quarterback gives you in those short areas, and

(01:29:01):
he's not going to take a hit if he gets
into the end zone. So I'm not sure what was
meant by that. I've seen some scuttle butt there on Twitter.
People are discussing that response.

Speaker 7 (01:29:09):
So I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:29:11):
There are fourteen games in how many I'm sorry, Paul
helped me out on the math. How many games is
this now? For Drake may Today was his what game ninth?

Speaker 7 (01:29:19):
I do not know, jeez, I can look it up.

Speaker 3 (01:29:22):
Hold on all right, so it sort of a material
But here's my question, after nine games, has there been
a designed quarterback sneak called yet ninth start?

Speaker 7 (01:29:33):
I do not recall a quarterback sneak.

Speaker 3 (01:29:36):
Okay, so you don't.

Speaker 7 (01:29:38):
I don't recall a designed run right period.

Speaker 3 (01:29:40):
Right, So Mike, you're talking about mobile quarterback maybe doing
something with him down there the goal line. Whatever happened
to the third and one with the least athletic quarterback
in the history of the league, gets behind and just
burrows his head. And they needed a yard, not two,
not three, not four. So you don't do it the
first time? Okay, yeah, stuffed whatever like that fourth and

(01:30:00):
one line, the big kid up, Have him go behind
a guard, have him go whatever, combo block whatever you
want to do get the yard.

Speaker 4 (01:30:08):
We don't know what happened when that happened, but if
they blocked it the same way, he gets stopped because
they did not block guys on the third downplay in
on the fourth bout play. So if you don't block anybody,
it doesn't matter.

Speaker 2 (01:30:20):
I mean, yeah, that's I mean, that's maybe the philosophy
that you know, you're gonna have to have somebody break
a tackle to get the yards you need, and you don't.
You'd rather have vermondra Stevens trying to break a tackle
than Drake May.

Speaker 7 (01:30:31):
Now, I like the idea of these red zone problems.

Speaker 4 (01:30:36):
You know, maybe designing some zone reads for Drake May
and as Mike said, you know, he walks into the
end zone.

Speaker 7 (01:30:41):
He doesn't even have to.

Speaker 4 (01:30:42):
Take a hit, little RPO action, Yeah, something something like that,
and see how that works on those two plays in particular,
I don't really have a problem with not doing a
designed run for Drake may Those in general are going
to come out of the shotgun, right, so you you're
gonna defend it a little bit differently. There's no excuse

(01:31:04):
for not getting these yards.

Speaker 7 (01:31:06):
There's just none.

Speaker 3 (01:31:06):
This is the third down play.

Speaker 7 (01:31:08):
Yeah, so that was the third down player. Was Gibson?

Speaker 4 (01:31:13):
I forgot so it wasn't Stevenson On both plays, huh.
They gave both guys a chance to play. And again,
I don't put this on the running backs. This guy's
getting unblocked.

Speaker 3 (01:31:21):
Like you have to block.

Speaker 7 (01:31:25):
You don't need like to kill, you don't need to
dominate the matchup. You just have to have a stale mate. Yeah,
all you need is to move the bed half a foot,
you know, match just real quick.

Speaker 3 (01:31:35):
One.

Speaker 2 (01:31:36):
One thing I did like from Mayo was talking about accountability.
And I mean, I said, you know, the last couple
of weeks, I'm just I'm sick of hearing my bad.
Oh yeah, that was my bad. And I think, you know,
I think Mayo kind of said that a little bit
of accountability. It's more than just being like, my bad,
and I think everybody's just over the well, yeah that
was that was my mistake. Like just simply owning up
to it just it doesn't make it okay. And it's

(01:31:56):
not you know, it's not softening the damage that those
players are doing. And it's just continually getting more and
more frustrating where you know, guys are just seemingly admitting
I wasn't prepared or I wasn't mentally locked in, and
that that, to me, is is the big one of
the bigger problems.

Speaker 3 (01:32:11):
Here that what do you do about that?

Speaker 5 (01:32:13):
Mike?

Speaker 2 (01:32:14):
How do you get guys to lock in? How do
you get guys to you know, not make mental mistakes?
I mean as a coach, I imagine that's the hardest
challenge there is.

Speaker 4 (01:32:21):
Yeah, and I know we want to hear from Drake
may too, surely. But one other thing I didn't really
love about the press.

Speaker 7 (01:32:27):
I mean, I think we talked.

Speaker 4 (01:32:29):
About that, you know, kind of seemingly anyway throwing the
offensive coordinator under the bus a little bit there, But
I didn't like the recitation of the stats in his preamble, No, like,
are you trying to like make this game out to
be that it was competitive in some way, because it
really wasn't. No, you know, you got two like, oh,
by the way, touchdowns down three scores.

Speaker 3 (01:32:49):
Revlon scores as I like to call them, Paul.

Speaker 4 (01:32:51):
Yep, and that's that. And even with those who had
three hundred yards with two touchdown drives of seventy five
yards and seventy yards on the last two times you
touched the ball when the game was over right.

Speaker 3 (01:33:06):
Speaking of Paul, this is Paul Soko who writes in
the only positive that has been presented regarding Mayo's tenure
is that the players are still playing for him. That
was not the case today, so says Paul Saco. Today's
game was an uninspired was as uninspired of an effort
as you'll see coming off of by the team. Was
seemingly going through the motions from start to finish. Scoring

(01:33:26):
two touchdowns late when the game has been decided is
not Finishing's wrong. I appreciate what you guys do, succynct
And to the point emailer, I would say, right there.

Speaker 4 (01:33:36):
Yes, is that basically my projected narrative for the week.
And I'm not making fun of the emailer at all.
I think if you felt like that, I felt they
got some garbage time production today.

Speaker 3 (01:33:50):
No, I think most reasonable people see it that way.

Speaker 4 (01:33:53):
And the reason why you call it garbage touch because
the other team doesn't care if you score exactly.

Speaker 7 (01:33:59):
Like that's the problem.

Speaker 3 (01:34:00):
All they want.

Speaker 4 (01:34:01):
All everybody wants to do. We talk about business decisions
a lot all the other all everybody wants to do
is get off the field when the game is decided
and get home. When it's twenty three to three in
the fourth quarter, the game's over, right. Joel from San
Antonio writes, Hey, y'all, I'm not sure I subscribe to
the cause about getting rid of mail. If I'm not mistaken,
he basically has the same team that finished four and
thirteen last season under the greatest coach of all time.

(01:34:23):
I think that a little lenience and patience will be
good now. If there's no improvement next season, maybe we
can bring that up. Yes, Mayo doesn't have experience, but
he's getting it on the job. I don't think he
has to be run out of town just yet. Thanks y'all,
Jackie Britt, I mean Joel and San Antonio writing in
so I would just argue back, and I'm not advocating

(01:34:44):
for Mayo to lose his job, and I don't think
he's going to.

Speaker 7 (01:34:47):
But what did you think of Bill's job last year?

Speaker 3 (01:34:50):
Uninspired?

Speaker 4 (01:34:52):
So he's the greatest coach of all time and he
went four and thirteen and what happened? The greatest coach
of all time went four and thirteen and got fired. Right,
This is a guy coaching for the first time, and
he's doing worse with a better quarterback, and we can't
talk about it.

Speaker 10 (01:35:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:35:13):
Now again, I don't think he's going anywhere, and I
don't necessarily think he should. That was kind of Devil's advocate.

Speaker 3 (01:35:17):
Sure, and we'll wrap up the email portion of the
program with Craig in Central Massachusetts, who's a customer who
writes Bill needed to go since it was getting worse
and worse going into the season with an inexperienced head coach,
inexperienced play callers, and inexperience football ops people. Seems like
bad business. Reupping guys who disappoint bad investments across the board.

(01:35:38):
I will always invest my time in listening to your
content since it's top notch, but I probably can't justify
investing in February's ticket renewal invoice. Oh, Matt Morrell always
does a hell of a job. Thanks Craig in Central
Massachusetts unhappy customer.

Speaker 4 (01:35:52):
No, that's interesting. That's interesting, and it will be something
that we'll keep an eye on, you know, the public.
We'll speak so the season ticket holders.

Speaker 3 (01:36:02):
Let's see if Matt Morel can do a good job
in playing the Drake May press conference after today's thirty
seventeen lost to the Arizona Cardinals.

Speaker 21 (01:36:11):
Yeah, frustrating. I think the kind of the same things
showing up. That's part of the most frustrating park part.
I think hurting ourselves getting long distances and first second
down and then not capitalizing when we get down in
the red zone and the goal line.

Speaker 9 (01:36:24):
And kind of make it a one score game.

Speaker 21 (01:36:26):
So those things just keep showing up over and over
and we're addressing them, and the guys I feel like
we're focusing in during the week and practice and you know,
we're practicing well, I feel like and it's just not
translating into the game.

Speaker 9 (01:36:36):
So you do something extra or do something different.

Speaker 21 (01:36:39):
And I think it's just question because frustrating because we're
in these games and I think, you know, we can
win these games, but uh, just kind of the balls
and are rolling our way in.

Speaker 2 (01:36:49):
The first half, passes part of the game.

Speaker 21 (01:36:55):
Get Yeah, we wanted to get the ball out, get
the guys in our hands and and make them tackle us.

Speaker 11 (01:37:00):
Uh.

Speaker 21 (01:37:00):
I think that was it was our big game plan.
And it was also tough for av because we really
didn't really get in a rhythm.

Speaker 9 (01:37:05):
You know.

Speaker 21 (01:37:06):
I think it's it's easy when to getting rhythm to
call some deeper stuff and and kind of get that going,
but we're never even kind of a rhythm and come
out of them. In the second half, we got down
to the goal line and couldn't punch it in and
basically that we're kind of come back mode and that's
when we could open it up. And they're playing simple
coverages and just kind of playing keep it in front,
so it's a little easier to pick them apart. But
really in the beginning of the game, I think just

(01:37:27):
got to get getting the flow and you'll find ways
to move the ball and get points.

Speaker 9 (01:37:31):
That first drive.

Speaker 21 (01:37:32):
I feel like it's you know, two or three games
where we get down there and we don't get points
in the first drive.

Speaker 9 (01:37:37):
You know, we're moving the ball, so it's tough.

Speaker 3 (01:37:39):
On the k down sideline hooper up the scene is
that moving forward next three weeks.

Speaker 10 (01:37:45):
Got some good teams coming up there.

Speaker 9 (01:37:46):
So they don't just swaddw Yeah exactly.

Speaker 21 (01:37:51):
I think that's one of the best things I do
is you know, see the ball, see you downfield and
and throwing a kind intermediate and I think, you know,
we're doing that more and more. But like so we're
getting the flow in the game and kind of let
those things open up. But got good players are making
plays and uh another even intermediate pass the booties is unfortunate.
I try to kind of lean away from the safety
and just uh, you know, stuff like that happens. So,
like I said, it really didn't go away. But I think,

(01:38:12):
you know, we get some promising stuff to to build on.
I think we were fishing. The passing game has some
big time runs and I think you know, people can
see it just kind of you stop having the same
repeat errors, just going tempo, and I think they can't
give their stuff and they're playing simple stuff cause they
have to because they have to get the call and fast.

Speaker 9 (01:38:30):
And I think we practice that all the time in practice.

Speaker 21 (01:38:33):
I think that's you know, pretty sure of habit of
going and you know, moving the ball, whether it's too
many in the practice or even just uh on the
ball period we call it. So I think it's easy
for me because you know the players we're gonna run.
I know him throughout the week, and you know, I
feel good. I feel good about our guys and where
they're gonna be at. Would you like to see more
of that because it seems like you guys come out
run the football holding called for a.

Speaker 7 (01:38:53):
Series, second series.

Speaker 9 (01:38:55):
I mean, it seems like you been making the same
mistakes over and over. Would you like to maybe switch
it up, get.

Speaker 17 (01:39:01):
And things like that.

Speaker 9 (01:39:02):
Yeah, definitely, there's a place for it.

Speaker 21 (01:39:03):
I think, you know, he talks about you know, getting
in the temple drive you know, every game, and I
think there's time and place for it, and he knows that,
and he you know, he likes us in tempo. So
I think it's just, you know, find the right time
for it. But I think our guys do a nice
job and it's a testament to them for what.

Speaker 9 (01:39:17):
We do in practice. And you know how well we
are when we moved the ball in tempo.

Speaker 10 (01:39:25):
Through screen.

Speaker 3 (01:39:28):
The play called I don't know if there's a checker.

Speaker 21 (01:39:31):
Yeah, just trying to get out to pop them, have
to make a play, you know. I think we maybe
probably maybe would have liked to have that one back.
But in field range once stay and field go arrange.
That's the big thing of kind of learning experiences of
the Titans the game. I took a sack at had
of field go range and just trying to pick up
some yards and kind of give Joeys try to make
the kick, but uh, you got someone look back and
field and see what see what I think.

Speaker 22 (01:39:53):
But do you guys want to coin toss?

Speaker 2 (01:39:54):
You liked to receive going in that was to toss
and have a drive in Poma.

Speaker 9 (01:40:03):
That Yeah, that's what I was talking to Kobe about. Yes,
you're definitely deflating.

Speaker 21 (01:40:08):
You want to get down there and you'll put defense
in a good spot, get some points on the board,
and you'll get down there and install out and you know,
getting a holding call which you have to look back
and see. I think it was a holding. I'm not
sure what penalty it was. But some fortunate things have
more unfortunate things happened the whole game. Really, they had
a basically a video game Madden like touchdown in the

(01:40:28):
corner of the end zone, the lineman falling on it.

Speaker 9 (01:40:31):
They had the interception, the.

Speaker 21 (01:40:35):
Questionable call, but yeah, with the rest called it, so
we got to live with it on the interception that
we had.

Speaker 9 (01:40:41):
But I don't think we really any of that matters.
I think we just got to execute on ourselves.

Speaker 21 (01:40:47):
Execute better and looking into that and you know, not
let those things kind of just decide again.

Speaker 12 (01:40:58):
On the.

Speaker 15 (01:41:00):
You guys have gotten stopped there a couple of times
this season?

Speaker 1 (01:41:03):
Would you feel comfortable sneaking it?

Speaker 10 (01:41:05):
And it is not something that.

Speaker 21 (01:41:07):
Yeah, that's a good point, you know, it was you know,
a good quarterback sneaker in college, you know, a big dude.
You know, I'm heavier than people think. So I think
I think it's messingly maybe a conversation for that, and
I think it's tough, you know, to stop you know,
six or five dude, you know, for one yard. So
also at the same time, Andre is you know pretty
taking good to get one yard as well. So just

(01:41:28):
unfortunate that it happened, Uh, but definitely the time to
plays for it.

Speaker 3 (01:41:32):
You're I'll be optimistic, you know how much?

Speaker 9 (01:41:38):
Yeah, where's on you for sure.

Speaker 21 (01:41:39):
I think it's uh, it's just frustrating, a long, long
flight back and we can't do nothing else but just
thinking about the game. You'll watch the game on your iPad,
and I'm thinking about ways the ways I could maybe
throughout the week that could talk to a guy that
can make a difference in the game. Maybe you know,
hit the lineman here on one thing, or maybe the
receivers here or the running back Madre or these guys

(01:42:03):
may tell them something extra throughout the week to maybe help,
you know, shift things or make that play different. But
I really just think it's collective. It's collective effort, and
those guys are keeping a good attitude. So really just
harder myself on things. And that's you know, really probably
the attitude.

Speaker 3 (01:42:17):
Thanks Drake May. After the Patriots thirty to seventeen lost
to Arizona with another call for the quarterback sneak, and
Drake doesn't sound a posed to it, does he.

Speaker 4 (01:42:30):
I did like that he took accountability for the interception. Yeah,
you know, by talking about he was trying to like
sit him down a little bit there, but he threw
it behind him. And I do like whether or not
it's accurate I like the fact that he tries to
take responsibility for those things.

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