Patriots Postgame Show 12/22: Full Analysis of Patriots 24-21 Loss to the Bills

Tune-in as we break down everything that stood out from the Patriots 24-21 loss to the Buffalo Bills in week 16. We bring you the good, the bad and the injured. Plus, we replay postgame press conferences from Jerod Mayo and Drake Maye.

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Speaker 2 (01:23):
Here's Matt Smith. Uh no, no, Matt Smith.

Speaker 5 (01:28):
He was behind the enemy line for us in the pregame. Instead,
you get me, you hardy back for a little fill
in gig here as the Patriots fall to the Bills
in Buffalo twenty four, twenty one. Paul Parrillo is here
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Speaker 2 (01:50):
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Speaker 5 (01:50):
Show podcasts plural at Patriots dot com. The Patriots came
out firing early, ultimately fell short by just a fuel goal. Paul,
you're opening thoughts.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
I mean, I thought the Patriots played about as well
as they've played all season long in the first half,
and they played exactly the way they've played the rest
of the season in the second half.

Speaker 4 (02:12):
Perfect.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
Too many mistakes, too many self inflicted wounds, and unfortunately
you caught Buffalo on a day where they wanted to
give you a game and you couldn't take it.

Speaker 6 (02:24):
Yeah, it's frustrating, frustrating because it was really encouraged by
how they came out. That was you know, I think
just to see Drake may come out in that environment.
All this talk we've been saying all week about what
they were up against with this Buffalo team, tough environment
to play no matter what what the what's it?

Speaker 4 (02:39):
The stakes for it? But you know, too much?

Speaker 6 (02:42):
Turnovers, That's what it is, right, I mean, geez, three
three turnovers, three possessions, second half. Game completely shifted and
they couldn't they couldn't CounterPunch, they couldn't stop the bleeding.

Speaker 5 (02:52):
Yeah, the Ramandre Stevenson fumble, the the interception, it was
just uh. And then the the past that ended up
being recovered in the end zone is just gross, just
gross to see the team do it to itself once
again after such a strong start. So let's uh, let's

(03:12):
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Speaker 2 (03:22):
But first, the good, the bad, the injured.

Speaker 1 (03:24):
Now it's time for the good butt goody good, the
bad and the injured.

Speaker 2 (03:33):
Ah ah, you are right.

Speaker 5 (03:37):
Guy, good, the bad, and the injury, brought to you
by the good players, the bad players.

Speaker 2 (03:41):
And the injured.

Speaker 7 (03:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (03:42):
Wait, we you don't want to have like a little
meandering conversation for the first few minutes.

Speaker 2 (03:46):
I didn't even know what to do it myself. We
went to the good, the bad, and the injured. Five
minutes into the show, just.

Speaker 6 (03:52):
A general conversation about who was who was okay in
the game, and who wasn't okay and who might have
gotten hurt.

Speaker 2 (03:57):
But you know what I have.

Speaker 5 (03:58):
You know, I still listen and watch the show and
I love I believe it was called out either last
week or the week before when you started talking about
the players that played really well, and it was brought
to the host, It was brought to the whost attention
that you know, we should be talking about this, you know,
during the good.

Speaker 2 (04:16):
Part right or the bad.

Speaker 6 (04:17):
Paul will subtenly try to be like I mean, this
will probably come up and the good, the bad, and
the injured, which we should be doing right now.

Speaker 2 (04:23):
But yeah, yeah whatever, whatever's people people do things differently,
all right, dude, let's start with you.

Speaker 6 (04:30):
Your first good Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna put Drake
may on there. I know that there was definitely, you know,
some plays he'd like to have back that I'd like
to have back for him. But I just I saw
him do tonight what he's gonna need to do to
be successful in the NFL in that first half, and
I just had such confidence in him, you know, the
way that he was playing. It's just I mean, he
had the confidence. That's what was That was what was

(04:50):
coming through the screen to me. You know, I just
I'm not sure I've been more impressed with him in
a you know, short stretch of football than I was
in that first half tonight. To come out like that
in that environment, I mean we kind of you know,
I may make a big deal out of playing on
the road in Buffalo in the cold, all those things,
but he looked lights out right there. I mean, I
think that might have been, you know, some of the
best football we've seen of him all season long, and

(05:12):
you know, to do it in that environment, to do
it in this situation, I just was impressed. No question,
you could probably have plenty of reasons to put him
on the down list as well, But for me tonight,
I just I really my biggest takeaway is coming away
encouraged and saying, you know what, we might have a
chance down the road to threaten this team.

Speaker 4 (05:28):
And it's not gonna be this season. Clearly, they got
a lot of work to do.

Speaker 6 (05:32):
But I think we have the quarterback that you know,
I have at least a little confidence that someday we're
gonna go back up to Buffalo and we're gonna see
Drake May execute a full sixty minutes. And the first
thirty minutes tonight was prooved to me that that he's
capable of it.

Speaker 5 (05:44):
Well, you know, that first touchdown, that was really a
great catch by Booting.

Speaker 4 (05:47):
Great catch. I mean, the throw is terrific, but the
catch I'm going to fight it right in his hands
like he may have.

Speaker 2 (05:54):
He may as well have had like you know, go
go gadget arms and extended his arm thirty yards downfield
and put the ball in Booty's hands. And I have
to listen to the guys talking cat unbelievable, unbelievable catch.
Cannot throw the ball any more perfectly than May threw
that touchdown pass.

Speaker 4 (06:13):
I'd also just say, I'm gonna you don't.

Speaker 5 (06:14):
Want to give Booty any credit for catching the ball
that was thrown into his hands.

Speaker 2 (06:18):
Sure he held on to it, he caught it. It's
more than I can say for the Bills guy in
the end zone dropped it.

Speaker 6 (06:25):
I do think, though, you know, it's it's probably a
good time just to you know, mention a couple of
his bad plays, because I do think, you know, you've
got to acknowledge you know, maybe miscommunication there with Hooper
on that interception.

Speaker 4 (06:34):
You know, I'm not sure.

Speaker 6 (06:35):
I think we'll probably get into some discussion about the
the behind the line of scrimmage pass that you know
ended up being a fumble. Was that on May Was
that on Stevenson? Probably a little bit of question there.
But you know, just overall though, I just come away
feeling really encouraged at the kid.

Speaker 2 (06:52):
It's you know, and I'm with Mike. I didn't have
this is another game. I didn't have him on a
list at all. But I would echo everything Mike said
about the you know, how good he looked in the
first half. I don't think he looked very good in
the second half. But I thought he was better in
the first half than he was ineffective, if that makes sense. Yeah,
I thought he was more good than bad.

Speaker 4 (07:13):
His good was gooder than his bad was bad.

Speaker 2 (07:16):
Perfectly put Mike. Thanks everything Mike said about just the poise.
I thought that they really went after him. I thought
it was a strange game plan by Buffalo defensively. And
I know that he has not been great under pressure,
but there's a different being under pressure and selling out
with some blitzes and whatnot. I thought they gave him

(07:36):
a lot of easy throws in the first half because
the tight ends are who he's been going to, and
the tight ends in the first half both Hunter Henry
and Austin Hooper were open on these key plays because
I thought they were sending too many guys and sending
linebackers and those are the guys that be in the
passing lanes. So I agree with Mike about May in

(07:57):
the first half, he was totally in command.

Speaker 6 (07:59):
Could I just ask you question, Paul, just a little aside.
We're not going to get off it, but do you
think this will affect how Buffalo? I mean, maybe the
game doesn't meet anything in two weeks, but in a vacuum,
do you think that might effect on what the game
plan is next time?

Speaker 2 (08:10):
It's a great question, and you know we'll ask Evan
on Tuesday because we're not smart enough to answer that
kind of stuff. But I just thought it was a
little bit of a strangely aggressive because you don't need
to do that to put pressure on the passer against
the Patriots, and I thought that they kind of recklessly
affected their coverage at times especially given all the guys
they were missing in the secondary. I just thought it

(08:32):
was strange. But there's not enough good things to say
about May in the first half. Again, I don't think
he was very good in the second half. I think
he was part of the problem in the second half.
But he was really really good in the first half.

Speaker 5 (08:45):
You know, the ability to survive on that second touchdown drive,
surviving the fall start and the holding call which would
have derailed has derailed drives for the Patriots earlier this season. Yeah,
they got past him, got up fourteen nothing. Think about
that that they're up fourteen nothing against the Bills in Buffalo.

(09:05):
I mean, nobody saw that coming in. And as much
as you.

Speaker 2 (09:07):
Wanted the quick start, I certainly didn't know.

Speaker 5 (09:11):
And as much as Juicy wanted it in the pregame,
the you know, the really fast start. That's a really
fast start. And it didn't require them getting you know,
some special teams score. It didn't require them getting a
miracle pick six, which you rightly pointed out was less
likely than them jumping out to a fourteen the lead
on offense. That's exactly what they did, and you know

(09:34):
it was it was both execution, It was overcoming a
little adversity on those on those penalties, and it was
it was an impressive, impressive start, especially for Drake May.
Absolutely belongs on the good list overall in totality. We'll
get to the bad stuff later on, but it's and
it's not good overall. Drake May on my good list.

Speaker 2 (09:56):
Yeah, you guys absolutely could sell me on that. Okay,
I could live with that, all right, Well, who is
on your good list?

Speaker 7 (10:01):
Paul?

Speaker 2 (10:03):
So just before we move off of May, I would
just say I would add and I had because I
originally put May slash, you know, the a VP open.
I just thought maybe it's because it was something that
I was calling for in the pre game, so I'm
a little bit more partial to it. I thought they
opened it up. They threw the ball downfield, they get
a pass interference, they throw the ball downfield, they get

(10:23):
a touchdown to Booty. Like early in the game, you
put it in the other team's head they might they
might try to get behind us with and then all
of a sudden, what happens throughout the rest of the
first quarter into the second. You're getting these easy little
throws underneath, you know, to the tight ends and I
just thought that they had a nice game plan that
really worked well. I thought he called a really good game,

(10:46):
Alex van Pelt. Obviously at the end, you know that
last drive just takes far too long to get a yard.
You know, you'd like to think you wouldn't need eight
place to get a yard or whatever it was, and
you know, five penalties to score a touchdown. But I
thought there was a really good game plan on both
sides of the ball. But I thought particularly offensively in
the first half. All right, I wish I had the

(11:10):
stats up, but Paul stole my charger for the entirety
of the game. So now my Microsoft surface is dead
and I can't get it. A little light on the side.
The little light is on the side. And when I
try any good, you should be good shortly. How long
does it take to.

Speaker 4 (11:25):
Let the juice?

Speaker 2 (11:27):
I just I got to let a juice for a while.

Speaker 4 (11:28):
Don't juice for a little bit. I'll get it get fire.

Speaker 2 (11:30):
That's not good.

Speaker 4 (11:31):
Nothing worse like a Microsoft surface.

Speaker 2 (11:33):
It'll be another second. Okay, that's all right, good fast,
that's my bad. We don't have the you don't have
the stats, okay, Hunter Henry. The first one I wrote down.
Yeah I had, I had Hunter Henry and Hooper, but
Henry a special.

Speaker 4 (11:49):
Four thirty nine touchdown was his stats.

Speaker 5 (11:52):
Okay, again, he is Drake May's closest thing he has
to a go to.

Speaker 2 (11:57):
That's Hooper four for fifty five.

Speaker 5 (11:59):
Yeah, Hooper's making a case they will both as being
a go to guy. But the go to guy right
now who is still Hunter Henry and.

Speaker 2 (12:05):
He was in this game.

Speaker 6 (12:07):
It's getting pretty close to Amity arrival Hooper. I mean,
that's pretty lofty.

Speaker 5 (12:11):
I don't know if you say, if he's going to
see that much action you want to talk about an
action figure, it's it's Matt Hooper arriving on Amity Island.

Speaker 2 (12:19):
Okay, he's got the Duffel bag. He's looking, you know,
he doesn't know where to go.

Speaker 6 (12:26):
Veering off topic, What time is this seven fifty No,
we're good? Uh yeah, no, I I thought, I mean
throw that first third down catch from Henry. I mean
that first one right there, crossing, you know, a nice
row by May. But you're right and good to see
Henry get you know, another touchdown and it's only second
of the year. Hard to believe, but uh, he continues
to be offensive MVP. That's you know, I've been saying

(12:48):
it for a few weeks now. He's been a huge
player for.

Speaker 2 (12:50):
All Right, good, let's go back to you d just
what do you got.

Speaker 6 (12:53):
I'm gonna go Antonio Gibson. Antonio Gibson again to have
a fumble, which is it would have put him on
the down list. But he just continues to bring a
spark to me in that run game. And I think
we had a caller who can't called in and said,
you know, We'remonderie not a great fit for this running scheme.

Speaker 4 (13:08):
It's just I think Gibson is a good fit and
he's really been coming on.

Speaker 6 (13:12):
I thought he brought a spark numerous carries today in
terms of stats, you know, ten carries twenty eight yards
not great.

Speaker 2 (13:20):
Just say, but this would be one of those five
if this was see I can I can do this
to you and I know you won't get you know,
when I do it to madd he gets very no.

Speaker 8 (13:27):
You know.

Speaker 2 (13:28):
It's funny though, does he get I know? And does
he get hurt? His feelings are hurt.

Speaker 6 (13:34):
You know, maybe I'm nuts because I didn't even look
at his status, that's until I had him on the
good list, and then I.

Speaker 2 (13:38):
Thought the play was a kick return. He gave him
a little spark right right at the beginning. He gives
him he gets out over the forty yard line. I
wrote that down, but I don't think. I don't think
he gave much of a spark today.

Speaker 4 (13:47):
I mean, I feel stupid right now. I gotta be honest.

Speaker 6 (13:50):
It's one of those things where you're watching the game
and that you're like, all right, good play, good play,
and making checks, and then I put it and then
now I look at the stats and I'm.

Speaker 4 (13:55):
Like, those aren't good stats at all, Andy.

Speaker 5 (13:57):
And you have the stats in front of you. I
don't even have that.

Speaker 6 (13:59):
I do I do, so maybe that's my bad, But
I still think he was part of you know, I
thought he had some sparks in some places. Maybe it
was limited, and you know, I got to go back
and look at the tape to affirm that. But you know,
this is one of those situations where I don't just
go off the box score immediately. And that was an
impression I had during the game. Maybe it was wrong,
maybe not, but there he is, idiot.

Speaker 2 (14:19):
Look at that, so twenty eight yards? What are you thinking?

Speaker 4 (14:22):
That's my next ridiculous. I don't all right, we don't
have what was I smoking?

Speaker 2 (14:26):
I don't know. My next guy would be kay Shawn Booty.
I thought he was you know that flash that he
had like Houston whatever the game after Houston was, you know,
in that in that area when Drake May first started
being the he had the big catch against the Jets
that set up the game winning touchdown you know, at

(14:47):
the toward the end of the game from Brissett. I
thought he more closely resembled that that guy today. Yeah,
what have yet? I for ninety five in a touchdown?

Speaker 5 (14:55):
We just saw the Booty reception that everybody in the
room watching you Doce Tamara, everyone is that did he
catch that?

Speaker 2 (15:02):
Yes he caught it, Yes he caught it, idiot. I
didn't call you an idiot. Yeah he said he caught it. Yeah,
But it was that tone. I think Tamara had the
tone like you did. Have to watch her sometimes it's.

Speaker 5 (15:14):
But I don't know, I couldn't catch and it absolutely
was a catch. I just thought in the moment, I'm like, yikes,
that looked a little trappy. It was not I thought
I thought Booty was was pretty good today.

Speaker 4 (15:24):
I did great catch, touchdown catch right.

Speaker 2 (15:26):
I mean unbelievable. I mean, I don't know if that
was as good as like, I don't know, say Gronkowski's
catch against Denver down by the goal line that year,
whatever year, Michael, no, fourteen fourteen.

Speaker 4 (15:39):
I was there, great game.

Speaker 5 (15:41):
Uh yeah, five for ninety one or five for ninety five,
and as you said, the touchdown, all right, absolutely put
him in there.

Speaker 2 (15:50):
Let me actually, Paul, you're up next. I think it
was No, that was Booty, that was me.

Speaker 4 (15:54):
Booty was you, and it's the back to me, I think.

Speaker 9 (15:57):
So.

Speaker 5 (15:59):
I love the fake punt. I loved it. I loved it.
I wanted to see more of this throughout the season.
I thought it was I thought, you know, it was
a terribly gutsy based on where they were in the
game and field position.

Speaker 2 (16:11):
It was. It was gutsy ish.

Speaker 5 (16:14):
But just the fact that they tried it and did it,
and yes, that they pulled it off.

Speaker 2 (16:18):
I'm looking at the replay now.

Speaker 4 (16:20):
Of course they didn't get it.

Speaker 2 (16:22):
No, no, they did not need the twenty five. The
yellow line is before the twenty five. I was like,
I'm surprised there's this, Like they weren't taking a look
at this, but he got he got the first down.
Yeah with you, because he gets to the twenty five
and he didn't need the twenty five.

Speaker 4 (16:37):
Love the aggression.

Speaker 6 (16:37):
I mean, this is what everybody's been talking about, like
you got nothing to lose, like, just just go for it.
Some of these situations, they obviously, you know, came into
the game prepared like that, and you know, along with
some of the Drake May quarterback runs, which I don't
think we're all that effective, at least the top.

Speaker 4 (16:51):
Of my head. I mean, I don't really remember them
being but I thought that was a good down.

Speaker 2 (16:55):
He got like thirteen yards at the end of the game,
but the game was kind of over at that point.
But yeah, I had the fake pun on my list too, hardy. Yeah, okay,
come with I did too. I'm really looking for a
conflict because I know you tend to get a little
bit persnickity with me when I disagree with you. So
I'm I'm hoping that I disagree with you. I don't
want to force it, no, but You're right, I do

(17:16):
thrive on the conflict.

Speaker 4 (17:17):
Yeah, Joey slide did hit all those extra points.

Speaker 2 (17:20):
I didn't even realize.

Speaker 4 (17:21):
That Hardy loves the kickers.

Speaker 5 (17:25):
I'm gonna get I'm the only one who who cares
about kickers, including owners, GMS, anyone.

Speaker 2 (17:32):
Else, only, no, pretty much anybody.

Speaker 5 (17:36):
Who's the one guy we're gonna guarantee to be relying
on to put points on the board.

Speaker 2 (17:41):
Kicker?

Speaker 5 (17:41):
Who are we going to think the least about what
we're putting together our roster?

Speaker 2 (17:45):
Each and every long is the kicker.

Speaker 5 (17:48):
Yeah that's right, Kestowski, Adam Vinitieri, they're a dime a dozen.

Speaker 2 (17:53):
They're all the same. That Poo's my point. You don't
mean that now, You're just saying it to get a rise.
Every once in a while, one will have a really
bad year, like Chad Ryland did last year.

Speaker 4 (18:04):
But look at him now. A right game time kicks
sends it overtime. They still lost, though, I'm getting into
play territory here. I just like single plays.

Speaker 6 (18:14):
But I just did I'm gonna, uh, I'm gonna put
Marty Mapu on there.

Speaker 2 (18:18):
I know, so.

Speaker 6 (18:20):
Centerfielder on that interception, and I didn't love I mean,
we can all discuss the decision that to bring it
out a little bit iffy there.

Speaker 4 (18:27):
But I just I liked him in a nice past defense.

Speaker 2 (18:30):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (18:31):
I thought he was effective and for a guy that
has been in and out of the lineup in a
forced fumble, just looked active and you know, made some place.

Speaker 2 (18:38):
Yeah, it's it's amazing. Like you know, you get a
second year guy that you thought was sort of versatile
and he's not a healthy scratch this week and he
makes some plays. I think that's a really good sign.
People ask you every week, Mike, what are some of
the things you're hoping to see down the stretch. I know,
the seasons playing out the string. I want to see
young players contributing well. Marty mar Pooh is a young player.

(19:00):
I know he's not a rookie, but he's only in
his second year. Ma Poo contributed and you need to
find out if that's something that you can count on
going forward or not. So he went from playing I
want to say, forty some odd snaps and the blowout
loss in Miami to a healthy scratch. That doesn't make
any sense to me. So I was glad to see
him back out the other day and I would definitely

(19:22):
co sign on your good list conclusion.

Speaker 5 (19:25):
Do you have are you down to plays on your
good list? Paul or instances or so.

Speaker 2 (19:29):
I also I also want to give a little love
to DeMarcus Covington. I talked about a VP. I thought
the plan they had bothered Buffalo a little bit in
the first half that you know they were talking about.
I think Charles Davis said on the broadcast they played
a lot of single high safety with man coverage. I
might have been during the halftime break. The guys in
the in the studio might have said it. And I

(19:51):
thought they made Josh Allen hold onto the ball a
little bit. He clearly didn't look like he wanted to
run as much today as he has been probably felt
like it wasn't one of those games where he needed
to run to win the game. And I thought they
kind of frustrated him a little bit. And he flung
a couple downfield, one of which that MAPU picked off,

(20:11):
and wasn't really able to make a lot of plays
in the game. So I thought the game plan that
they had defensively worked. I thought they played much better
defensively too, than they have say in the last month. Yeah,
so I want to give Cuffington a little love too.
Very good. I'm ready to move on to the bads
unless he got anything else?

Speaker 4 (20:28):
Ready to move on?

Speaker 2 (20:29):
All right, let's move on to the Yeah, there's.

Speaker 4 (20:32):
No cleanup pall. You usually have a couple of.

Speaker 2 (20:34):
I had, I had, Christian Ellis made a couple of Yeah,
I had a couple of good tackles that were like
open field ish and just good plays. But again, plays
I just thought one that one.

Speaker 4 (20:44):
I think it might be the same one we're talking about.
Just a nice play execution by the Bills.

Speaker 6 (20:49):
A lot of times you see those plays, it gets
lost in the wash and all of a sudden, the
run running backs coming out of a way you didn't expect.
I just thought he did a good job reading through
all that making the tackle. But I had that too,
just you know, one play.

Speaker 4 (21:00):
I don't. I don't know how much else you did
in the game, but I'm with.

Speaker 2 (21:02):
You, all right. Now we can move on to the bats. Dude,
what's the first one on your list?

Speaker 4 (21:07):
Run defense? Run defense?

Speaker 6 (21:08):
I think it's just been bad all year, and I
just think it's a really hard way to live. And
it always looks the same, you know, they just they
don't play together. It's it all looks discombobulated. You've got
some guys upfield, you've got some guys getting pushed back.
There's all kinds of creases in this defense.

Speaker 2 (21:22):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (21:23):
There were at least two big, big runs.

Speaker 6 (21:26):
I think the first two of them were I think
on like the first play of the drive to first
or second play.

Speaker 2 (21:31):
Both by James Cook. I mean the.

Speaker 6 (21:32):
Touchdown here by James Cook, which was you know, just
about fifty yards.

Speaker 2 (21:35):
I mean eleven carries for one hundred yards.

Speaker 4 (21:37):
Yeah, I mean it's just you know, that's but.

Speaker 2 (21:39):
One of them was for forty six that's what you
always do to me. And fifty on the other ten, yeah,
which is five car which is five a carriag.

Speaker 5 (21:48):
Okay, well you're making it sound like you had ten
yards of carry and I'm just pulling a perillo.

Speaker 2 (21:52):
That's actually fifty four in the other ten.

Speaker 6 (21:54):
Yeah, and three three catches on three targets for you know,
twenty six yards in a tuddy two. But just the
run defense, I think that's a that's a good place
to start this offseason, trying to put that back together,
whether it's improving the linebacker play, whether it's you know,
upgrading some of the tackles inside on early downs. You
know you're seeing guys out there that you know, just
it's not effective enough and it looks the same every week.

(22:16):
And I mean, I just you guys will probably get
sick of getting sick of me, yeah, talking about it,
because it just every time it's you know, it's it's
not like a straight oh just the whole It's like
they just kind of weave right through everybody and then
they're gone.

Speaker 4 (22:29):
It's the same thing every week with that defense. I
thought it was a big key to loss, not just.

Speaker 5 (22:32):
To show you I am firm, but fair. Run defense
was on my list, but it was second because I
didn't even put it down there. After the first couple
of big runs. I'm like, okay, it's Buffalo James Cook,
they're gonna get some runs.

Speaker 2 (22:44):
My my, my first babble, which we'll get to in
a minute, happened, I guess after you know, some of
those runs, but I wanted to give them some time. Okay,
you don't have to be perfect, you know, you don't
have to be perfect to stay off the bad list.

Speaker 5 (22:57):
But run defense did make it on there, and yeah,
there were there were times when some of the tackling
issues presented themselves more often than not than that, though
I think it was just they were finding big holes
in the defense and exploiting those holes.

Speaker 2 (23:12):
No, I totally agree. It was a huge problem in
my view throughout the day, and that's the way it finished.
You know, you needed to, you know, desperately try to
get the ball back at the end. You got all
three timeouts. One play, first out came over, like you know,
Ty Johnson comes in. He's really the kind of third
down scat back type. Six carries thirty yards. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (23:35):
Yeah, that's the third highest rushing they've allowed this season,
and they've been up over one hundred and fifty yards
a few times. I mean one ninety three to Miami
and one ninety two to Houston, one sixty seven the Titans,
I mean they it hasn't been good all year.

Speaker 2 (23:50):
Let me ask you something do just from an x's
and o' standpoint on the defense, the well the philosophy
and the methodology between the Patriots and other teams, it
wasn't unique to them, but for years their mantra was
to guard your section of the field.

Speaker 5 (24:06):
That was, you know, whether they were in a zone
or not. There were still you know, there were guys
even in some man coverage they were still responsible for
certain areas. Have they gotten away from that or are
they just not great at executing it anymore?

Speaker 6 (24:20):
You know, I think that they've tried to get back
to the schemes playing man defense that you know, I
think that they're good at that, they're built for that,
they're suited. But to me, it really all starts up front,
where they're just they're consistently not playing together. And we've
talked about defenses, even if you're not the most talented team,
stopping the run, you know, building the wall, as they say,
all being you know, in line, holding your blocker up,

(24:41):
shedding the block, get into the backfield. I mean, those
are things that you've seen plenty of, and they just
they aren't able to do it.

Speaker 4 (24:47):
Like I said, there there's there's no consistency to the front.

Speaker 6 (24:50):
There's a lot of seams, and there aren't linebackers who
have the anticipation or the speed to get there and
anticipate where those players are going to be. So they're
just you know, overly exploited. And I thought when Buffalo
was struggling early on, it was just go to the run,
Go to the run. I mean this is you know,
when you saw that the run brought those sparks.

Speaker 2 (25:07):
You still can't get it. I lived, it won't work.
The light the light is still on, right.

Speaker 4 (25:12):
But no, it's home.

Speaker 2 (25:13):
It's just why you won't come on. I blame you.
It's my fault. You should blame It is maya kolpa,
my my bad. What else for a bad So obviously,
the turnovers are you know, the biggest factory in the game.
But I just the fumbles to me are just they're

(25:35):
piling up. And Gibson and Stevenson had won each, Stevenson's
seventh of the season. That's a lot of fumbles. For
a running back. That's a lot of fumbles. You know, quarterback,
you know you get strip sacked or whatever. Sometimes you
have a particularly bad year with that. There's no excuse
for a running back losing the ball seven times. They're

(25:56):
lucky they haven't lost more of them. Quite frankly, they
only lost one of those two fumbles by the running
backs today. It just it. The ball security is a problem,
and you know that's that's a big part of the
you know, the I thought the end zone pick was
was a bad you know, a bad play. It's it's
someone's fault. I mean clearly Drake throws the ball to

(26:17):
the front, Pilon, Hooper's at the back, Pilon. I don't
know who's that fault, but the play had no chance.
And I think it's utterly inexcusable to throw a pass
backwards by design unless it's a trick play, and that
certainly didn't like a trick play, you know, and ultimately
the play that ends the game, right, Yeah, you know
you're still you're still holding out hope, they're down three

(26:38):
with the ball ten you know, ten minutes left. You
still you're very much in the game and that end
of the game, and you just can't turn the ball
over like that three times in the second half. Just
a horrific performance offensively in the second half.

Speaker 5 (26:49):
Speaking of trick plays and laterals and stuff. At the
end of the first half, Paul, would you put the
sequence of plays the Patriots tried running on the bad list?

Speaker 2 (26:57):
Because I was all for it. Let's take a shot here,
let's move the ball down. I didn't put it on
the bad list. To me, it's kind of it's emblematic
of a lot of things, you know. I so we
would joking around during the game. It does all of
this stuff about the they got to design some runs
for Drake May, and that's the topic, dozure, and you

(27:18):
know they're hammering it all week, and what do the
Patriots do? They catered to the masses because they're obviously listening.
And here we go. This is the week where we
went from we're trying to get Drake made to the
finish line without getting injured. So now we're gonna dial
up a handful. And I have no problem that they're
running the ball with Drake May, but it just seems
so transparent that everybody's complaining that you're not running Drake May,

(27:40):
that this is the week we run drags. Okay, but
let me let me play that to me goes into
that category hardy. Okay, this is why I brought them
both up. How many times are they just like taking
thee at the end of the half. They have no balls,
they're not going after what are they doing? So now
you got like twelve seconds left, right, sound, So you
got like twelve seconds left, you have no chance to score?

(28:00):
So well, not what that is. Now we're gonna run.
We're gonna run a shallow cross and start lateraling the
ball like that. That's what I mean. That's smart. We
got balls now, but that's really bright. Okay, that was
just useless, useless you say, carrying to the.

Speaker 5 (28:13):
Masses, you you you're real number one, number two, Maybe
a little bit to the owner, if if if somebody
was asking questions about it, but more to the point,
and I think what I believe or would like to
believe happened in this case, the masses were absolutely right, Hey,
why don't we have some designed run plays for Drake
May The guy's great on his feet.

Speaker 2 (28:34):
We have no problem with that. And it's just it's
coincidental that the masses and maybe the owner, maybe a
bunch of other people were calling for it at the
same time. They finally dawned on them that.

Speaker 5 (28:45):
Oh, here's a way to pick up three or four
yards almost guaranteed the handful of times we try it,
Why not do that?

Speaker 2 (28:54):
It's just coincidence, Paul. I just I don't have any
problem that they did it. It's not a coincidence that
they did it this week. It's not They got pounded
all week for not doing it, and that's why they
did it this week. And I would rather than take
the Bill Belichick approach and say ignore the noise and
just play and do what we think is right. If

(29:16):
they thought that it's right that we want to make
sure that we get Drake made to the finish line
without getting injured, then stick to it. I don't have
to agree with it. I would run them. Mike and
I have been calling for runs in the red zone
for Drake May all season, but we don't like we're
not the coach.

Speaker 5 (29:31):
Well, maybe they're catching up on the Patriots Unfiltered podcast
and they're just now hearing it.

Speaker 2 (29:35):
Maybe it's actually from weeks ago. Fair points.

Speaker 5 (29:37):
Okay, they they got a bunch of the queue and
they're just now getting a chance to listen to them.
They're busy. You had a question as we watched the
final Patriots touchdown drive whether or not a touchdown drive
could make it onto the bad list. Oh, perfect, I
believe that it can, so I didn't put it on
the bad list per se. But the run before the

(29:58):
two minute warning is on the bad list. You know,
you remember the.

Speaker 2 (30:02):
Rams game with Buffalo a couple of weeks ago, and
Josh Allen had all the touchdown runs and passes. They
tried the quarterback sneak and Tom Brady immediately is on
it that just ended the game. Well, this one isn't
quite as egregious, but that gets it to the two
minute warning. That's a sneaky important element there that cost
you a time out by running because that gets the

(30:24):
ball down to the two minute warning. And now that
kind of made you go for the on side kick.
You didn't have to, you have to go for the
on sidekick, but you kind of had to. Like Charles
Davis said, they don't have to, but they have to,
you know. I think if they had scored there would say,
you know what, there's two fourteen left. If they had
thrown the ball into the end zone, there's say two

(30:44):
to ten left. Well, now you can kick off. You
get the two minute warning coming, so that's like four
chances to stop the clock. Yeah, that's a bad play call.
I know you're expecting to get in from the one
on the first play, but in that situation, it's not
worth the risk.

Speaker 6 (31:01):
I feel like with this drive you could break down
like three or four different things that were on the
bad list. And I think there was also a delay
of game on third and one. I had that that
you had to back up, and I just I'd do
what you stid Hardy. I'd put it all under that banner,
just that last drive where you know, so impressed with
how they came out of the game, exactly what they
needed to do, two drives, exactly what they needed to do,

(31:21):
understood the situation of the game, went out there, executed.
This team has got a long way to go to
learn how to do those final drives, how to play it,
play the clock, as you said, play the situations. Uh,
it took them forever. It took them forever.

Speaker 2 (31:34):
Can I interrupt for a red zone moments?

Speaker 4 (31:36):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (31:36):
So remember the play to Laporte that we were talking
about earlier for the Lions game.

Speaker 4 (31:40):
The Lions guys like, hell yeah, I think.

Speaker 2 (31:43):
They're talking about it right now on on NBC Football
Night in America. And I think that that they might like,
this is what happens when you're just watching red zone.
I think it was a plan. I think it was
a design play to have them both fall down, pretend
they're falling down.

Speaker 5 (31:56):
Okay, So I heard somebody mention that, and I thought
they were goofing on it, but you you saw it.

Speaker 2 (32:01):
And it they just replayed it and like they had
like a banner up the lion ies, you know, and
I think they were trying to make them. And if
you watch Jamir Gibbs, he kind of dives on the
ground on purpose. Wow, I think it was by design.
Fascinating like this is it seems like there's a little
Bellichick in that, like every time he made a mistake

(32:21):
it was by design. But like this, in watching the replay,
which I didn't get a chance to see a replay
of it earlier, it kind of looks like that they're right.
They heard it was a design trip play. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (32:32):
When we were getting ready to watch the start of
the Patriots broadcast, there was a there was a highlight
that ran and I heard something to that effect, but
I didn't get a chance to see it either. I
just I don't want to let this last touchdown touchdown drive.
You guys were really hot on this tree.

Speaker 2 (32:46):
I mean again.

Speaker 5 (32:48):
It starts with a first and goal at the Buffalo
eight with two twenty six left, which turned into a
first and goal at the Buffalo four after the.

Speaker 2 (32:58):
The encroachment call.

Speaker 5 (33:00):
Okay, okay, so there's an encroachment, it's called Now it's
first and goal at the Buffalo four two twenty six
second in goal at the Buffalo four to twenty three.
You get down with let's see, there was the pass
interference twice. I believe there are two passing. There are
five penalties on the bills on that drive five.

Speaker 2 (33:21):
Five, your first and goal at the Buffalo one with
two fourteen left, and still you get to the two
minute warning, you still haven't punched it in. And I said,
right about that time, they're gonna fit a lef around
you did, and they're gonna get it down and they're
gonna have ninety seconds left before they score. How much
time was left on the clock when they finally believe
it was one thirteen one thirteen.

Speaker 4 (33:43):
It's pretty good.

Speaker 2 (33:44):
And I'll tell I wasted.

Speaker 5 (33:46):
A minute thirteen seconds when they were first in goal
at the four.

Speaker 2 (33:50):
You really got to hand it to Ara McDermott. He
really had his team locked down and ready to play
in avoiding the letdown. Five penalties on that last drive
up ten five unbelievable. So yeah, I mean I put
it on the batt list.

Speaker 5 (34:03):
That's bad because at that point, yeah, you're gonna if
everything doesn't even go well, if he just kind of goes,
you're getting in the end zone. Don't take a minute
in thirteen seconds of game time to do it, which
is what they did, and that's what lost them the
chance to at least tie the game. More than anything
was time. It ended up being about time, and you

(34:23):
wasted half of the time that was left on the clock,
literally half of the time at two twenty six, you
wasted him minute thirteen to go four yards. That's what
caused you the chance to tie that game.

Speaker 2 (34:36):
Yeah, I largely agree with you. I just thought like,
as soon as they scored the touchdown, I said, when
is a touchdown drive on a bad list? I just
thought like there wasn't a lot of urgency. There was
like twenty twenty five seconds between plays. You know, Drake
may just drops one of the snaps. It was perfect snap,
he just drops it, yeah, pushes them back. I mean,

(34:58):
they were very fortunate. They were very tight with those
pass interference calls, you know, especially the second to last one,
the one on Booty wasn't really much contact there at
all on that one. That would have been fourth down
had they not called it. I just feel like you're
down ten late in the game, it's got to be
pedal to the medal.

Speaker 4 (35:16):
I totally agree.

Speaker 6 (35:17):
I mean, Obviously, we were all very fortunate to watch
a number of game winning drives over the Patriots twenty
year run of dominance, and you know, we know what
it takes for those kind of drives, and I think
just that whole thing and everything that's been said in
the last five minutes about that drive illustrates. They showed
some positive stuff in the first half, but you see
how far they have to go to really be a
championship kind of team that can you know, when the

(35:39):
chips are down and you gotta have it and you're
tight with your execution, everybody's on the same page. You know,
you don't need five penalties from from the team. You
know that's that's gonna be the thing that they have
to get to.

Speaker 2 (35:50):
What did you guys think of the decision in eight
thirty three to go fourth and six down ten punt.

Speaker 4 (35:58):
I was a little torn on that one, to be honest,
Like part of me just wanted them to go for it,
and then but I was questioning it might just being
stupid because I just want them to be aggressive, to
be aggressive.

Speaker 6 (36:07):
I wouldn't have had a problem with it though. If
they were aggressive just to be aggressive, I.

Speaker 2 (36:10):
Think you got to go for it. I think that
was one of those things, you know, and I'm sure
that wasn't this reasoning, but you know when people say
like they're just trying to not lose by a lot,
like if you don't get the fourth and six, the
Bills probably go down and just run the ball, you know,
forty yards for a touchdown. You know, they end up
getting thirty points, which I think everybody you know who cares, like,

(36:31):
who cares about stupid? You know, records like that that
are meaningless, and you know you end up you know,
you played so well in the first half and you
still end up down seventeen. I think I think that
was a punt. It was almost like a concession, and
I didn't like it. I didn't like the decision to
punt there.

Speaker 5 (36:50):
Well, and part of it was was because they had
a third and five instead of a third and one
because of the delay a game call, So that put
him in a situation where.

Speaker 2 (37:00):
Even it was like third and inches too. Yeah, they
were even less likely to pick up the first down there.
So no, I didn't like it. What was the yard
line on that? If you have it up there, I
want to say it was like the forty yard line
at the oh, I don't know, forty six, so forty
six yard line, like the fourth and six from the
forty six yard line, I think you got to go

(37:20):
for that. Yes, yeah, I wanted them too, but you know,
I'm an idiot. You know me too. I wanted to
go for it a lot more than they should. More
bads they're deuced.

Speaker 6 (37:30):
Ah, yeah, I got a couple demntre Jacobs had what
a few false starts, you know. I just overall the
offensive line wasn't great tonight, but at least for the
most part, they'd clean up their penalties at least the
other guys had.

Speaker 2 (37:41):
And I thought they were decent in the run games. Yeah,
I thought there was some holes that those guys got.
I mean, Stevenson was effective, you know, just the fumble
kills you yeah, yeah, you know, Stevenson five you know,
twelve for sixty five yards of carry.

Speaker 6 (37:51):
It seems like Jacobs was the was kind of the
only one they couldn't just get on the straight and
narrow with the penalties tonight.

Speaker 2 (37:56):
All right, I don't I didn't have a ton of
different things on the bath list, which is kind of strange.

Speaker 6 (38:02):
I'm just gonna Kendrick Bourne too. I just want more
out of him, and he just continues to be up
and down. He had another catch third down catch where
he's short of the sticks. You just saw the play
there where they tried to run an end around to him.
That was you gonna be caught short if Buffalo hadn't encroached,
I believe.

Speaker 5 (38:16):
But get that first down. That was a game so
and then and the Kendrick Bourne short of the sticks
when when they showed it from the sideline.

Speaker 2 (38:25):
He got it. They got the first time. Yeah, they
just didn't give it to him. It was a terrible
spot after that too.

Speaker 4 (38:30):
To Catches talking about.

Speaker 2 (38:34):
Oh, which I think we're talking about a different play.
I think you're talking about the one where he was
coming back for the ball and he ended up going
He cost himself the first down by going back. You're
talking about when he got tackled sort of with his back,
which was very.

Speaker 4 (38:45):
Close rifle for hearty for for Paul's photographic memory there.

Speaker 2 (38:49):
Hard is right. That was that was closer than the
spot the spot was. It was a bad spot. Another
tough day for the officials, by the way, just yea
one penalty after another all right. Let's injuries. Do we
have any injuries that you don't.

Speaker 4 (39:02):
Recall anything, Josh, if you're interested in, Josh.

Speaker 2 (39:05):
Allen, you got a hand, see. I actually think it
might be like nerves, nerves. He lost feeling in his hand.
It was cold. Uh that's a good point.

Speaker 4 (39:15):
I might have fed into it, but that is how
much more you.

Speaker 2 (39:19):
Can't recover it on side kick when it's cold. That's
why you need extra guys around the ball.

Speaker 4 (39:23):
They're just showing the play here though. I just don't
see him hurt his right hand on that play.

Speaker 2 (39:25):
And she landed on his elbow. They said it on
the on the broadcast. Was it Evon Wallburn? I think
the sideline guy today, do I have that right?

Speaker 4 (39:34):
I think? I mean, I guess maybe the helmet a
little bit. That hit the helmet.

Speaker 2 (39:39):
No, he doesn't, he doesn't land on it. They said
he landed on his elbow and he lost feeling in
his hands. Okay, well I know they said that. But
he lands on the elbow. Yeah, it's just left arm.

Speaker 4 (39:50):
Where's his right elbow hitting?

Speaker 2 (39:53):
It's not there, it's not there nothing so far does
the right elbow come back and hit the helmet? Maybe?

Speaker 5 (40:00):
Maybe a little elbow on the helmet, but he was he.

Speaker 2 (40:06):
Was numb and stinky after that.

Speaker 6 (40:08):
I had that happen to me once in a hockey
game against Army, where I got hit and like my
whole arm went numb from the elbow.

Speaker 2 (40:14):
I had it.

Speaker 4 (40:15):
That's what they were saying. That's the same one they
ran back for the sworn.

Speaker 2 (40:18):
Ke White tackled him on the play that we were
talking about. But maybe maybe I have it wrong. I
had a similar thing happened last week when I was
trying to slice some banana bread and my elbow caught
the side of the air fry. The worst pain there is,
guy oh Man, Actually not the worst pain there is,
But I couldn't end up putting butter on the banana bread.
As a result, I just had to eat the banana

(40:39):
bread dry, which is not my preference.

Speaker 6 (40:42):
It a lot of butter, preferably anything else.

Speaker 4 (40:46):
No, I think that's uh.

Speaker 2 (40:47):
I didn't have anything on the entry, all right. We
got phone calls. We got phone calls to get to
I'm still TPX hotline eight five five pats five hundred,
email the show. Sho you feel any better? My battery
is running low at Patriots do.

Speaker 4 (40:59):
Did you try you know what a button down for
a second.

Speaker 2 (41:01):
Yeah, look there's no battery. Watch this. Okay, I'm gonna
hold I'm holding the button down. Now. You don't even
get the thing.

Speaker 5 (41:08):
I don't think it's charging. I don't think it's charging
at all. Look at this, Paul looked.

Speaker 4 (41:14):
Just try to control out to lead on that one, or.

Speaker 2 (41:18):
You get the blue screen of death. No, I got nothing.
I got.

Speaker 5 (41:21):
I got the little windows symbol. And when I try,
and when I try and to what is this shift
control function B for battery?

Speaker 2 (41:28):
Oh here comes marine comes Marie. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (41:32):
I think he just called me a bad word too.
I think he called me a simp.

Speaker 2 (41:36):
I think maybe I.

Speaker 4 (41:37):
Think he's not a middle schooler.

Speaker 5 (41:39):
I think he called me a child, which is my here?

Speaker 2 (41:46):
Oh there it is, Oh there it is. We're having
fun here all right. Now we get to the phone calls.
Did he just knock it out again?

Speaker 4 (41:57):
He did?

Speaker 10 (41:57):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (41:58):
Just real quick. I do believe the Patriots.

Speaker 2 (42:00):
I want you to. I want you to. I want
you to want tankon.

Speaker 4 (42:05):
I think they are on two.

Speaker 2 (42:06):
Yeah, they're so the Raiders one, the Raiders one today,
so that makes three wins for the raid.

Speaker 6 (42:11):
Is so I don't like it. I'm gonna say it.
I don't like it. I want to stay down. I
want to stay three, four five. I don't want to
be two. Uh better than being one though. I just
think it'd be hard to move out of those spots
and you're gonna kind of be stuck there and you
might have to overdraft somebody unless you get somebody who's
really likes one of the quarterbacks.

Speaker 4 (42:28):
But it is what it is.

Speaker 5 (42:29):
Two games to go, all right, let's go to Christian
in Los Angeles here on the Patriots postgame show. Christian,
thanks for joining us.

Speaker 10 (42:38):
What do you got hey, you guys, good afternoons. You great,
great game today. As far as how Drake may played,
and there seems to be some sort of congealing of
his movement with the offense, so that's that's it seems
to be. So the best case scenario, Drake is moving forward,
but we're still in the high draft position. He's proven

(42:59):
he can do it. Now we know what we kind
of need, you know, a stow receiver. I'm asking you
guys because I know you you poo pooed my Travis
Hunter last week, which, ah, by the way, who lives
in the same town as Mike Robb and also Fabiano,
and I.

Speaker 11 (43:16):
Asked him both.

Speaker 10 (43:16):
They both said that Travis Hunter. They would go with
Travis Hunter if they were they were the Patriots. Who
do you guys think as the wide receiver one vibeople
away we should go?

Speaker 2 (43:27):
Where did you where did you ask them this question?

Speaker 6 (43:29):
Well, Christian, I just say like, look, look, I'm not
saying no on Travis Hunter, but will you out allow
any debate for other positions? It just seems like, you know,
I'm not going to be totally long. I think he's
worth considering, but I also think that there's a counter
argument that if he ends up, you know, being more
of a cornerback, that this team might have other needs.

Speaker 4 (43:45):
I wouldn't.

Speaker 6 (43:45):
I'm not going to be dissatisfied with picking him. I
think he's an excellent player. I just you seem like
there's that's the only option and everything else is just
out the window. Which that's where I divert from that.

Speaker 10 (43:56):
No, what I what I understand that what I didn't
want to have happened was in any way start the
trade down nonsense that we've been doing. We need a
superior athlete like that can that can help us offensively.
No trading down taking the best players at the seventh
and ninth. Let's go for the best freaking offensive weapons

(44:17):
we can get.

Speaker 2 (44:17):
So you are you're not open to, like, you know,
fielding any trade offers to see what possibly could be available.

Speaker 10 (44:27):
Well, based on what is available, it's a really deep
a defensive end class. No great, we need that perfect.

Speaker 2 (44:35):
It's really that's not what I a I what I
asked is like you're just saying I don't want this
trade down. Nonsense. Well, how do you know you don't
want to trade down if you don't know what the
trade is? Like, you need information before you make a decision.
And if someone wants to offer you this, great, If
someone wants to offer you a great offer, you know
a great you can get some multiple picks, and instead
of getting one good player in a draft by the way,

(44:58):
that's widely considered to be lacking in blue chip prospects,
why not, you know, see if you can add you know,
the mic do soa theory and add multiple picks. Like,
I don't know what anybody's willing to offer. Maybe no
one wants to move up. I think that's probably more likely,
is no, one's going to want to move up. But
if they do, when someone wants to get silly, why
not at least entertain it? I think, I think closing

(45:20):
yourself off to any possibilities without knowing the you know,
the uh, the information, to me is kind of silly.

Speaker 10 (45:28):
But but what out there besides the top sort of
five players that really is going to put us in
a position to make a significant move forward to trying
to win the division.

Speaker 5 (45:40):
I would argue five players aren't going to make you
make you move that way either.

Speaker 2 (45:45):
What they don't know it's available because the information is
not available yet, I don't know what anybody's willing to offer.

Speaker 5 (45:51):
And I and I also don't think any of the
so called top five players are going to be difference makers.
They desperately need a left tackle. I don't know if
any left tackle that's considered up there in the in
the top five, as we talked about in the pregame show.
The one guy that they could draft number three overall
right now, projects do not even play tackle. He might
be a guard. So you want you want to hang
on to it and take him?

Speaker 10 (46:13):
Yeah, So I mean what I'm saying, Okay, what what
is the lowest you guys will to go in the
first round, then I don't know.

Speaker 2 (46:22):
Like this is like, you know, so my son right
now is getting a bunch of college acceptance letters, rights talk.
He has his heart set on one particular. He wants
to go to the Citadel, Okay, And I'm like, that's
fine if that's ultimately where you want to go and
where we decide to go. But we don't make that
decision now because we do not have all the information yet.

(46:44):
You've gotten into several schools. You've gotten into Coastal Carolina,
High Point, University of South Carolina, and the Citadel. Why
not wait? Because he was early action on all of those.
We don't have all the financials for any of them.
That's no way to make a decision. No, no, And
he's all, you know, hel bad. I want to I
want to put in the offer. I want to put

(47:05):
in my deposit. No, you wait. Someone might offer you
three first round picks to move up three spots, right, Like,
who knows what someone's gonna do. You don't know until
you find out what is it.

Speaker 10 (47:17):
Lois you guys are willing to go in the first
round with our first pick for.

Speaker 2 (47:21):
How much you're not really listening, Christian. I'll go to twenty.
If someone's going to give me four first round picks
to do that, Yeah, I'd go to thirty two. If
you're gonna give me first round picks for the next
five years. Yeah. Like, if you want to give me
like three, four or five first round picks to move
down twenty spots, sign me up.

Speaker 10 (47:38):
But if our first pick is number twenty, that guy's
never gonna have the kind of impact we need to
move the team forward.

Speaker 2 (47:44):
How do you know? I like, I'm not like you.
I don't know exactly how every player is going to
pan out. I didn't really think at three and twelve
I could get passionate in the postgame show. But here
I am, Christian. Thanks for the call that I appreciate.
What got to be that way? How do you know, Like,
how do you know Travis Hunter is going to be
the best player in this draft?

Speaker 5 (48:03):
I see this is this is my point though, in
this particular draft, I don't know if any of the
top five.

Speaker 2 (48:08):
Guys are going to be impact players in the NFL.
And I say that, by the way, I really like
Travis Hunter, and Micha will tell you that I'm if
that's the guy they want a draft, fine.

Speaker 6 (48:17):
But I'm also sure that there are some very knowledgeable
football people out there that believe passionately that this team
has nothing on the trenches on either side of the ball.
So yes, trade down a little bit, starts stocking up
on this defense rich class. There you go, and you're
gonna need multiple picks. Do you think you're one? I
look and I say too. I think a lot of
Christians said totally right. But at this point in late December,

(48:38):
I can't do this for the next four months of
Travis Hunter or bus that's you know, you gotta at
least consider the other options, considering how much they need.

Speaker 5 (48:45):
To Shaun and Virginia on the Patriots post game show,
Hi to Sewan.

Speaker 11 (48:50):
Hell, look a lot of your guys are doing good.

Speaker 7 (48:51):
Hey Sean, Uh, you know what irritates.

Speaker 11 (48:55):
Me the most when I look at this game. There's
a thing about the fact that, man, that we just
had players and it results. It results back to what uh,
miss as I said about, you know, by players on
both sides of the boss falls and trenches. Those those
that's the one of the weak points of this team.
Any part of the office line and the defensive line,

(49:15):
and on top of they don't have any receivers. Just
like I heard Paul Reverence about the fact that I
was a proud about the Bills playing how they we're playing,
you know, knowing the fact they had a lot of
angels in the back end. Well, let me tell you this,
A lot of teams don't respect this group. Last week
should have told you, guys everything we need to know.
The Cardinals pluck ordinary thing by playing a lot of

(49:38):
men with which which they don't. They play a lot
of owes. But nobody respects this this this group receivers.
So it goes to show that, man, if we just
had players this tea, you could do some real tennis.
And then people want to talk about Charles Hunter. I mean,
the thing that worries about worried me about him is
like we talk about a cent. I think that that
girl would be a problem for him down in the

(50:00):
alarm run. I don't want a guy that wears mentality
is all jacked out because of this girl or whatever.

Speaker 12 (50:05):
I mean.

Speaker 11 (50:05):
If I'm them, I would take McMillan. I would try
straight down to where Cleveland is and get a drap
hic Miller. That's what I would take. That's all I
have to say.

Speaker 2 (50:14):
All right, thanks to sell.

Speaker 7 (50:15):
Right.

Speaker 2 (50:16):
I mean, like breaking news that the Patriots don't have
any wide receivers. No, No, that's that's been established and
confirmed multiple sources.

Speaker 6 (50:26):
I mean, I just last year they needed quarterback, wide receiver,
edge rusher, and this year they need wide receiver, tackle
edge rusher.

Speaker 2 (50:36):
Right again, but again I'll start.

Speaker 5 (50:40):
I know that that loss twenty four to twenty one
of the Bills, a game that you could have, that
you were in, that you had a fourteen to nothing leader,
it's tough to swallow.

Speaker 2 (50:49):
You think you're close. You just said it, Douce.

Speaker 5 (50:52):
In the draft last year, you got a quarterback, and
you appear it appears that you have your quarterback for
some time. You're gonna have to be contented, and you
should be, you know, really happy that you have your quarterback.

Speaker 2 (51:05):
There's a lot of work left to do. It would
have been nice if you could have really hit on
maybe one more.

Speaker 5 (51:09):
Position, but you didn't. Instead, all you got was the
most important player on the entire team. It's gonna have
to suffice for now and worry about the stuff later.
It's it's tough pill to swallow though, after that game.

Speaker 6 (51:22):
Today and like the clock is ticking now, like that's
I feel a little more pressure now that like you
have the quarterback. It's not like great, We're like they
got to move ye quick and start pitting, putting things
in place around him, maximize the rookie contract, like they
said they were aware of doing with mac Jones and
they did not do.

Speaker 4 (51:38):
So we can't let that opportunity pass up again.

Speaker 5 (51:41):
Vdu in California. Hello, thanks for joining us Patriots postgame show.

Speaker 2 (51:45):
What's going on?

Speaker 13 (51:46):
Hey guys, how you guys doing good?

Speaker 4 (51:48):
Pretty good?

Speaker 12 (51:49):
Guys are getting some interesting couple of colors. My blood's boiling.
We're only at three twelve, but I mean come relaxed
all board the maslaur final destination Masachusetts, love it, you know,
and may we trust. So really, my only kind of
topic is like I feel like first half coaching.

Speaker 14 (52:09):
Was doing really well.

Speaker 12 (52:09):
Coaching was winning the game. Second half coaching, I feel
was kind of kind of losing the game. A lot
of other factors there as well, right, but you know
we got we got duty at almost one hundred yards.
There's making plays. You know, we'll go in the off season,
either in the draft or we'll trade for some WRS
because we're the most cap based. But what changes need

(52:30):
to happen in coaching for us to have that kind
of first half experience like throughout a normal seventeen game season,
you know, like apart from just like the penalties, like
what changed in in in the coaching in those halves?
That felt like I was, we've regressed severity, And you
know that's like a key key component.

Speaker 15 (52:50):
Is coaching just starts it is, It is a key component.

Speaker 5 (52:55):
But I don't think it was coaching in the second half.
I think was execution. I think you had players not
making plays that they were making in the first half.

Speaker 2 (53:01):
I mean I would I would definitely have gone for
the fourth down, But like, what was the coaching problem
in the second half?

Speaker 12 (53:10):
Well, the punting thing wasn't bit You know, you can
do it in any other way, right, So you could
say they were aggressive early on and then they weren't.
Then they punted it then you know, so I figured, yeah,
but you can I mean defensively, like it's just like
there was just like bad some bad some couple of
bad players called then Like defensively, it was just like

(53:32):
they just started steamrolling us at a certain point.

Speaker 5 (53:34):
And because they're a lot better, yeah, I would say
this we do and thank you for the call. The
Romandre Stevenson fumble was not a coaching issue.

Speaker 2 (53:42):
I mean, they turned maybe over three times in the
second half and one for a touchdown.

Speaker 5 (53:47):
And to be fair, Paul, maybe the Drake may interception
in a touchdown, Maybe that was coaching. Maybe they weren't
on the same page in terms of where they were
supposed to his fault.

Speaker 2 (53:57):
Do you I mean, do you? I mean, if you
had to guess, would you guess that that was a
coaching errow or one of the players made a mistake.
One of the players made a mistake, if I.

Speaker 5 (54:03):
Had to guess, But at least you could somehow wrap
your head around it being something to do with the
way they're coached.

Speaker 2 (54:09):
The fumble is not. The fumble is just not being
able to hold onto the ball, you know. And like
I said, unless there was a trick play dialed up
on the lateral, there's no way that that ball is
supposed to be thrown backwards. Correct.

Speaker 4 (54:21):
They played no chance at all, No, And you.

Speaker 2 (54:24):
Know, defensively, they defensively they gave them ten points on
the second half. They scored seven in the first half,
like legit, and seven in the second half legit. Yep, really,
I mean they the field goal comes off of the fumble,
which is actually I thought a pretty good job by
the day. That was one of the better games the

(54:44):
defense has played since I don't know, Chicago. Yeah, and
especially given the opponent that you're facing now. Listen, everything
that everybody talked about all week, maybe the Bills will
do X, Y and Z. Well, the Bills did X,
Y and Z. The Bill slept walked through the game.
But that that doesn't take away anything that the Patriots did.
They tackled better today that I thought. As I said

(55:08):
in the good list, I thought Covington did a nice
job with that single high look that clearly sort of
frustrated Josh Allen early on. And I thought that they
did good. They had good man coverage for the most
part during the course of the day. They didn't stop
the run, you know, like, you got to give them something,

(55:28):
You got to give up something against that offense. Can
You're not going to shut down that offense. But to
hold that team to seventeen points, that's a pretty good job. Defensively.

Speaker 5 (55:37):
It was Jose is in Texas now with this on
the Patriots post game Show, which is presented by Draft Kings. Hello, Jose,
what's going on?

Speaker 15 (55:46):
Hey, how's it going?

Speaker 14 (55:47):
Guys?

Speaker 7 (55:48):
Good?

Speaker 15 (55:50):
I'm not another ball knower like those other couple of callers,
but I kind of did see Douger flying around the
ball today. I was pretty impressed the last couple of games.

Speaker 2 (56:02):
I know we've been saying, that's another good point. We
probably should have had him on the good list. I mean,
he was much better today. That's a good point.

Speaker 16 (56:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 15 (56:12):
There was a couple of times that you saw that
he was coming up and making a tackle.

Speaker 2 (56:16):
And the play that Keon White made, Mike, can you
get me? Want to the play that Keyon White made
on one of the Josh Allen scrambles. It was a
run for like five yards. Dougger forced him inside which
allowed to Keon White to make the tackle. He was
much more active. It wasn't perfect, but he had good
coverage on a play I thought took away the inside.

(56:40):
He was much better. That's a good, good point, Jose. Yeah,
thank you, Jose.

Speaker 5 (56:44):
We're talking about Yeah, that was Jose that I'm just
thrown off by Duce leaving this to he's fleeing the interview.

Speaker 2 (56:49):
We're all in the interview. I apologize for that's the
play right there that I thought this play was made
by Dougger. And if you could show that again, Chris,
you get at a good look at how you know
he sort of forces him to make a cut inside.
If he was able to just like bend it right
to the sideline, that's a Josh Allen fifteen yard run.

(57:10):
If you watch this, Dougger right there forces him to
change directions good and Keon White was athletic enough to
make that tackle. But I think if he gets right
to the sideline there, he's getting first down. Yep. Watching
it right there, and it's very good. And I thought
this is the play by the way that he layd
there on his elbow maybe yeah, the way he got

(57:32):
up from that, I think you I think you identified
it all right, guy.

Speaker 9 (57:36):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (57:37):
Robin is in Fort Lauderdale.

Speaker 5 (57:39):
Hello, Robin, thank you for joining us here on the
Patriots post game show.

Speaker 2 (57:43):
What's going on?

Speaker 10 (57:44):
Thank you gentlemen for everything you do as well.

Speaker 17 (57:48):
Don't let them get away with this.

Speaker 2 (57:51):
If we keep it.

Speaker 15 (57:52):
Closed, we're you know, we're we're a good, good team.

Speaker 18 (57:57):
No, Bill did this, keep it closed and we were competitive.

Speaker 19 (58:02):
No that that that that that was the game we
should have won.

Speaker 2 (58:07):
I agree. I agree that was a giveaway. They gave
the game.

Speaker 11 (58:12):
We keep it closed. We were close to the Bills.

Speaker 9 (58:16):
And and no, don't don't let them get away with that.

Speaker 11 (58:21):
That ma po thing in the end zone. That's on
that's unacceptable.

Speaker 15 (58:26):
Number two, why are you punting?

Speaker 2 (58:30):
You were three and ten actually three eleven?

Speaker 15 (58:34):
Why are you.

Speaker 7 (58:37):
With it?

Speaker 18 (58:38):
We keep it clothes and that proved.

Speaker 2 (58:40):
And now, Robin, I totally agree with you, and I
think that is partly I think part of the decision
making process. And we talked to a when is a
touchdown drive on the bad list? When is an interception
on the bad list? Because that was a third and long.
He just threw it up there for grabs, hoping for something,
and they pick it off and he runs out of

(59:01):
the end zone by a half a yard Like that
was really bad.

Speaker 4 (59:04):
It ended up being like an elite punt.

Speaker 2 (59:05):
Ye ended up being a perfect punt. Yeah, exactly, So
when is an interception on the bad list? When you
take over on your inside, your one.

Speaker 4 (59:13):
I didn't want to kill Mapu for it.

Speaker 2 (59:15):
But no, I didn't kill him for it either, But
I'm just saying that. But he's right. It was a
bad It was a bad decision and it didn't make
any sense. You turned it into a really good special
teams play for Buffalo. Yeah, essentially, we're going to step
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Speaker 2 (01:03:10):
Here is Matt Smith. No, no, it's not Matt Smith.
He's not here. He's in Buffalo now, hanging out with
all those amazing Buffalo Bills fans. Oh the tongue bath.
He gave the fans of Buffalo in the pre game.

Speaker 4 (01:03:23):
He had to do it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:24):
He was offensive, offensive, I thank you.

Speaker 6 (01:03:27):
I had a theay hattlem They had a gun to
his head, maybe probably in the Bill's gulag whatever, the
Buffalo Bill's mafia, whatever that.

Speaker 5 (01:03:33):
He's probably got great things to say about the fans
up in Montreal too. Hey, Nick, in Montreal? Has Matt
Smith ever been up there and just been completely enamored
with the fans up there of the Canadians?

Speaker 2 (01:03:49):
Nick, Nick? Good, good job party. Oh wow, I'm hanging
up because he's not there.

Speaker 5 (01:03:58):
Firm but fair. We'll go to Pascal in New York instead.
Hello Pascal, thank you for joining us.

Speaker 13 (01:04:04):
Hey, guys, how's it going good?

Speaker 2 (01:04:05):
Yep, great?

Speaker 14 (01:04:06):
So I'm good. I'm good.

Speaker 13 (01:04:08):
I've got two things. The first one is that, as
far as the game goes, if you had told me
that the Pats were gonna have three turnovers and the
Bills were gonna have one, I would have thought that
this would be about a twenty one point loss. Soh
three points. You got to give the guys some kind
of credit. I'm pretty impressed with the way that they
showed up, especially Drake with almost subzero temperature. Yeah, and

(01:04:34):
then on the second one for the draft, to me,
offensive tackle is the hardest position to fill outside of quarterback.
And so the way I'm looking at it is, I
would really be happy if they addressed the front five
and on offense and the front seven on defense in

(01:04:54):
like the first four rounds of the draft, because to me,
that's really gonna be what's gonna keep these guys competitive
going forward. So hopefully they can get some good tackles,
they can get some good guys up front, and after that,
Drake is really going to make things happen.

Speaker 5 (01:05:12):
I hope you're right, Pascal, and I hope there are
players there that fit that description. I just from what
and believe me, I abhor draft talk. I truly do,
I especially especially in December. But if you know, if
the tackles aren't there, I don't know what else you do,
because to me, if you're gonna, if you're gonna build
so many areas of this team wide receiver. You can
get wide receivers in free agency. You can trade for

(01:05:33):
wide receivers, you can find teams expensive.

Speaker 2 (01:05:36):
Yeah, it's extensively easier to get a wide receiver and
free agency than it is a tackle.

Speaker 5 (01:05:40):
Now, now we're talking in the pregame, there are ways
of getting tackles you can, but it's much tougher.

Speaker 2 (01:05:46):
Yeah, and you're gonna get a better player like t
Higgins is better than any free agent tackle you're going
to ever sign. Like it's rare that you get like
Orlando Brown, right, who signed.

Speaker 6 (01:05:57):
Especially like the modern NFL, like the tackles just don't
get away. They're too valuable. There's too few coming out
that really develop. And I mean you're seeing it now.
Even some of the guys that you know, we spend
half of the like the summer, kind of looking forward
to the draft saying, this kid, Will Campbell looks really good.
This could be the guy, and then all of a
sudden doesn't have a great year. As arms short short
arms comes out. It's it's so hard.

Speaker 4 (01:06:18):
That doesn't feel like the college game is developing enough
tackles to really fully supply the need that exists in
the NFL.

Speaker 2 (01:06:23):
The only thing I would say, you know, like I
and I get it, like they do. They need tackles.
And I agree with the caller Pascal that tackles are
harder to come by, but don't deceive yourself into thinking
that Drake may can get by with this cast to
get because like, they can't move the ball and they
can't score. This is a pretty consistent thing. He's playing
great and they don't score. I mean they got an oh,

(01:06:46):
by the way, touchdown with a minute thirteen left. They
had fourteen points, but a minute.

Speaker 4 (01:06:49):
Thirteen left from their first two drives.

Speaker 2 (01:06:51):
You know, last week they had three points with ten
minutes left. Right, Like, they can't score with this cast
of character. So if you think that, like you just
fix the offensive line and Drake may is going to
suddenly make all these guys look like better players, that
ain't gonna happen. No, that's not enough.

Speaker 5 (01:07:07):
Nick and Phoenix emails. I wanted to sit here and
say Mayo has turned a corner with the way he
called the first half. However, why are we punting down
ten with less than ten minutes to go in the fourth?

Speaker 2 (01:07:18):
I really want to questionable at best. I really want to.

Speaker 5 (01:07:20):
Believe Mayo should be head coach going forward because it
means the team is making strides, but his decision making
frustrates me. Be consistent with your aggressiveness.

Speaker 2 (01:07:29):
What gives again? Nick and Phoenix.

Speaker 6 (01:07:32):
I guess I just you know, I agree with with
the calls to be aggressive. I just think there's a
line between aggressive and stupid, and not to say that
I think that that play was necessarily that over the
line with that, But I just I don't want it
to be like, just go for it, doesn't even matter,
like what, just keep going for everything?

Speaker 2 (01:07:47):
Like you know, I'm so glad that you said that,
Like a lot of people do that, like and I'm not.
This is not from because we talked about this earlier. No,
you can say that to me. I'm not don't go
for Yeah, I go for a rock. No, Like it's
your three and twelve, so you should go for fourth. No,
if it's the right call to go for it on
fourth down, you should, And they more often than not
this year, in my opinion, have not, Like I don't

(01:08:09):
want to go I don't want to go for it
more because they are three and twelve. I do, Like
you want to say that fake punt, Well what do
we get to lose three and sideh Okay, all right,
that I can kind of yeah, whatever, you should go
for fourth and six from near midfield down ten with
eight minutes left. You should go for that every time.
I understand what you're saying. But at twelve and three,
you should go for it. If you're three and twelve,

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you should go for it. You see, I understand what
you're saying.

Speaker 5 (01:08:33):
But I also think we always talk about like game situation,
like have a sense of where you are in the game,
of what it means what. I think it's okay to
also have some season situational awareness. And you see it
week in week out in the league, especially this time
of year, team's going for it and going for wins
when ordinarily they wouldn't because it's saw in.

Speaker 2 (01:08:55):
New Orleans, right, same thing, saw it with the Saints.
Why not do it? Because that's that is season situational
where you're right, and that's a little different though, like
in your New Orleans. That's perfect example. Thank you last week.
Thank you, it's Washington, thank you. Okay, So I see
why not like just roll the dice, see if we
can get the two point conversion in this game and

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win it. We're not going anywhere anyway, That is what
That's why I said. I'm not dismissing like the record
as being part. I'm just saying I don't want to
go for fourth and ten from my own twenty because
I'm three and twelve. You want to go for it
because it's the right thing to do, you know what
I mean? Right, But I think a lot of people like,
what do you got to lose? No more puns? Right, No,
that's not how you play football, that's not how you

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learn how to play Well that's true.

Speaker 5 (01:09:39):
Then then then you're you're really doing yourself a disservice
in terms of the development at the quarterback and everyone.

Speaker 6 (01:09:45):
And i'd even like acknowledge, like once or twice a year,
you want to go for it, go for like fake
punt on your side of the field, like okay, like
it's all right. You want to be super stupid kind
of aggressive once or twel Like okay, I'll forget that.
But I just I think that's the line we're going
to be watching these last two games of Yes, the
one thing to be aggressive, but.

Speaker 2 (01:10:02):
The fourth sound decisions, you know, play calls in specific spots.
They shouldn't be changed dramatically based on your record. Again,
you want to go for two point conversion at the
end because it doesn't matter, you know, rather than go
to overtime.

Speaker 4 (01:10:16):
Like let's just go for the West different that one play.

Speaker 5 (01:10:18):
Yeah, if you know this is from Chad in Atlanta.
If you nuked the roster right now and hit the
reset button, who would you keep I'm struggling to name
more than six players.

Speaker 2 (01:10:30):
Six okay, so yeah, he's got the six. Don't look
all right? Well, Drake Man, yep, that's two.

Speaker 4 (01:10:37):
Barmore yep.

Speaker 2 (01:10:39):
Uh, I'm not sold on him now.

Speaker 4 (01:10:41):
I'm not sold on him either. I mean, I mean,
that's an unfortunate thing. It's just health.

Speaker 5 (01:10:45):
I mean, there's no one, no one, no one's fault
at all. There's there's an obvious one that you're both missing.

Speaker 2 (01:10:49):
I think there's an obvious one beyond those three. Yep,
who did you say? You said, Drake May Christian Oh
you did, Okay, you did say Christian Barmore. Yeah, uh,
he has I do not have any other locks. He
has Marcus Jones. He's I mean, I I'll I'll have him, fine,
but he's not a lock.

Speaker 5 (01:11:09):
And he and to be fair, Chad a Christian Barmore
with a question mark and Keon White with a question.

Speaker 6 (01:11:15):
I'll accept, I'll accept, I mean, I I honestly, I
mean after after Gonzales in May. For me, I think
there's an argument to be made.

Speaker 2 (01:11:23):
And but yeah, you know, if Barboy didn't have the
blood clots, that be three absolute no brainers. I don't
have any other that I would keep Hunter Henry. Yeah,
but what for like for like this current team. Sure,
but like I'm talking about, like you want to like
nuke the roster and start over and go forward, you know,
like Hunter Henry's got a year or two left. Yeah,
you know, and he's been terrific. Mike calls him the

(01:11:45):
offensive MVP. I'd have a hard time nodding an argument
to that, as as you know, I can't argue anything.

Speaker 5 (01:11:52):
Yeah for sport, uh ah thought, I think you secretly
might be a Bertrand I'm gonna double check your ancestry
dot com see if you've got some quincy blood.

Speaker 2 (01:12:05):
A j in the Bay Area. What's going on?

Speaker 7 (01:12:07):
AJ?

Speaker 14 (01:12:09):
Hey, what's up?

Speaker 7 (01:12:10):
Guys?

Speaker 9 (01:12:12):
Thanks for taking the call. Yeah, I just just want
to call in and express my thoughts. I think, you know,
this was a solid performance by the defense. I think
you have to really feel encouraged that they were able
to do that against this team. Hold him to seventeen
point and uh, as far as the offense a lot

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of the same as the rest of this year, just
bad mistakes at bad times. There was even that the
sequence of plays when they they were like nine plays
inside the Buffalo ten before they punched it in for
a touchdown. I think they even got bailed out of
a delay of game by encroachment on the defense, but

(01:13:00):
I think they were going to be a delay game
on that one too, So just them not being able
to execute, you know, simple situations like picking up a yard.
We saw more of that and the mistakes, but overall,
I also think it was a good coaching performance, you.

Speaker 14 (01:13:17):
Know by May and the staff.

Speaker 9 (01:13:19):
I think for them, especially the defense, to come out
like that, I agree.

Speaker 2 (01:13:25):
I thought it was a good game plan today defensively
mistakes and I.

Speaker 9 (01:13:32):
Think one other thing too. I want to come to
Marty Mapu's defense. I think as he was getting tackled
at the goal line coming out of the end zone,
it seemed like he was going to be able to
stay in the end zone, but he got kind of
got his leg pinned under the defender and it seemed
like he had to choose between coming out, staying in
the end zone and blowing out his knee.

Speaker 2 (01:13:52):
I thought, No, I think blowing knell had to do
his kneel. Yeah, as soon as he caught the ball,
he should have gone. I looked at it five times,
reposition in the body, looked at it, Paul, look at
his body? Would you look at the man's body? Like
he tried as hard as he could to just get
the ball out of the goal. Well, that's after he
got the leg pinned, like Mike. Mike made a comment

(01:14:14):
that maybe true that he looked like he may have
had some space, but he didn't, like there was a
guy like right on him that wrapped him up by
the by the hips, and he fought like with everything
he had to get out of the end zone, which
I I think he might have had a brain but
thought it was a safety if he didn't get out
of the end zone. Like that's how he acted. Well,
he just kind of excited. Can you blame him? That

(01:14:36):
was a good play until that.

Speaker 6 (01:14:37):
This happens so much in football, though, Guys bring it
out and you're like, dude, what what are you doing?

Speaker 2 (01:14:41):
Yeah, but I don't think I've ever seen a guy
bring it out and get I've never seen that get stopped.

Speaker 4 (01:14:45):
I've never seen that but I've seen plenty where it's
like the five to ten, you know, like not even
close to getting out to the twenty.

Speaker 2 (01:14:51):
Uh yeah, but this is late. He wasn't trying to
go down there. He got tackled by Ty Johns. Hold
on a second, here we go. Just he did have room.
You can't see everybody. There's twenty two guys out there.
You know, he missed that one guy, which is unfortunate.

Speaker 4 (01:15:11):
I think it was like open space. Let he looked
to his right and he saw Johnson close it and
he's like.

Speaker 2 (01:15:15):
Too late. Jake and Australia. Thank you for joining us. Jake,
go ahead, yeah doing hey, Jake.

Speaker 18 (01:15:25):
It was Yeah, it was one of those guys you're like, oh,
it was okay, but it wasn't great. But at the
same time, last week the Bills were forty four to
forty one.

Speaker 2 (01:15:35):
Last game the Bills played, they won forty eight to
forty two.

Speaker 14 (01:15:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 18 (01:15:40):
Yes, takes them to twenty four. Defensively, especially when we've stucked.

Speaker 2 (01:15:44):
Oh yeah, yes, the Patriots defense played well. The Patriots
played well today, absolutely yeah. On both sides of the ball.
They played well today for you know, a good stretch
of the game. They just couldn't finish.

Speaker 18 (01:15:56):
But yeah, and like they go hard, go home at
the start of the game and then start playing conservative
to a degree after the first half was slightly off pooting,
as had that momentum, and then we started losing it
with and then that slot sparking of four well, and.

Speaker 2 (01:16:14):
Then the you know, Buffalo came out and asserted themselves
on that first drive. I mean, what was nine plays
sixty eight yards? It didn't take that long.

Speaker 5 (01:16:21):
And it's like you kind of had the sense that I,
you know, just to be a smart ass, said well,
there you go. And when they tied it at fourteen,
I said, there's your game, and Paul's Paul.

Speaker 2 (01:16:31):
Was like, no, no, no, you know, I have some patience.
I said, the Patriots have been moving the ball in
the first half. Now to your point, you ended up
winning because the Patriots didn't move it at all in
the second half.

Speaker 5 (01:16:41):
I just thought Buffalo kind of like, you know, got
out of their own way a little bit, and once
they moved the ball as well as they did on
that first drive of the second half, I have a
hard time really like I had a very small bad
list today and it was all like about the turnovers.

Speaker 2 (01:16:56):
Yeah, they did everything they could and.

Speaker 19 (01:16:58):
Can we.

Speaker 2 (01:17:04):
That'd be nice?

Speaker 4 (01:17:06):
What was that sleeping with the ball carried on?

Speaker 2 (01:17:09):
Gibson? Why does no one ever talk about the other
guy who fumbles? Jake, I'm gonna let you go. Your
phone's up, breaking up a little bit, but thank you
for calling in.

Speaker 4 (01:17:15):
What do you do about Stevenson? Though?

Speaker 6 (01:17:17):
I mean just and I'd say too, I've caught a
couple of Bills shows, Belichick shows, and he brought it
up even last week, where I mean, he makes it
a point and Stevenson keeps fumbling like it's obvious that
this is a recurring problem.

Speaker 4 (01:17:28):
I mean, he's seven times.

Speaker 7 (01:17:31):
What do you do?

Speaker 6 (01:17:31):
I mean, the guys under contract you kind of need him.
He can't really bench him. I mean, do you even
think that benching would work? And you just kind of
have to You just kind of have to cross your
fingers and hope that this summer Romandro Stevenson figures out
how to hold onto the ball. But at a certain
point this is not sustainable and is I mean, and
he's going to have to start to lose snaps if

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he can, if he keeps doing it seven times.

Speaker 5 (01:17:54):
Dean in Liverpool says, really, great effort by the paper Patriots,
a couple of mistakes took the game away from us.
Managed to control Josh Allen, but unfortunately couldn't stop James Cook.
The Bills run game. Van Pelt called a good game
the beginning. I agree, nice to see him let the
shackles off and get aggressive. But in the end, Buffalo's
quality rose to the top.

Speaker 2 (01:18:14):
That to me is the perfect summation of the game.
Like I thought, the Patriots did everything they could to
win the game, and ultimately they just lost because the
other team was so much better. They played better than
Buffalo today. But Buffalo is better than you. It happens.
Gerald and Grimsey grimms Are you all right there, Paul, Paul,

(01:18:34):
I don't think he will be got like twenty five minutes. Yeah,
is cutting me a long ride home? I'll tell you
that is cutting. Steve is gonna be a long show
tomorrow morning for you? Is cutting true? No matter what
Stevenson in the off season on the table, what's the
cap hit. I've seen enough. That's Gerald and Grimsby.

Speaker 4 (01:18:52):
That's the whole that's the whole point. That's the problem.

Speaker 6 (01:18:54):
I don't I don't know what to do I think,
I mean, I done of the numbers in front of me,
But I would assume one you're into his deal, that
it's not you're not able to really cut.

Speaker 2 (01:19:01):
I wouldn't worry about the cap hit if I wanted
to cut him. I just don't think this. They're not
going to cut him. I mean he's there to lead back.

Speaker 6 (01:19:09):
Just really, you mean it like you gotta start fumbling guy.
Seriously though, I'm not even joking.

Speaker 2 (01:19:13):
Fresh start, right, No, I'm just gona me to my narrative.

Speaker 4 (01:19:18):
You get two fresh starts for Nick. Two guys get
fresh start. Next your Paul not but you love you
love my pre you know, strike your preemptive strike.

Speaker 2 (01:19:25):
No, it's just one of those years, Like you know,
he'll clean that ups.

Speaker 4 (01:19:30):
It's been a career long problem for him.

Speaker 2 (01:19:31):
His cap hit goes up to five point three next year.

Speaker 4 (01:19:34):
What do you think Bill? I mean, well, I don't
think Bill would have resigned him.

Speaker 2 (01:19:37):
I mean, you know, but Falcons are benched their quarterback
for like a sixty million dollar cap Were.

Speaker 6 (01:19:42):
You surprised though that after he fumbled then he had
that you know, he had a pretty good catch and run.
I think for a third down, he picked up a
first time, Like I was kind of surprised just to
see him right back in there this time.

Speaker 2 (01:19:51):
I mean, he did sit a little bit. But I've
talked to you about this before, Like, I just don't like,
what is what is he supposed to do? What is
he supposed to do?

Speaker 16 (01:20:01):
Stuff?

Speaker 2 (01:20:02):
Go to the box and feel shame?

Speaker 6 (01:20:03):
I know, I know that's that's there's no answer, Like
it's an error repeater, and it's a huge part of
the game. I mean, how many of these games come
down to turnovers one or two and you know, that's
just that's frustrating, frustrating.

Speaker 2 (01:20:15):
It's very frustrating because especially in days like today, he
was running well, yeah, he was productive, and then he
fumbles the ball and it just sort of short circuits
you three in three turnovers just you can't win.

Speaker 6 (01:20:29):
No, especially right a row too, like three possessions start
the second had it was just boom, boom, you're feeling good.
Fourteen nothing, I mean, and I'm sure you guys felt
the same. Fourteen nothing. I was like, yeah, that's that's great,
but that this team can turn on a switch and
it's fourteen fourteen and it didn't quite happen like that.
But I mean that one drive with the big touchdown.
But my Cooks play eight seven.

Speaker 2 (01:20:48):
If they don't have the big run by Cook and
they're forced to sort of drive the ball again, I'm
not sure it would have just been, you know, business
as usual for Buffalo. I just Buffalo had all the
year marks today. If one of those teams you know
that gets beat at home by a bad team, yeah,
you know, they just looked. I mean, how many penalties
eleven twelve?

Speaker 4 (01:21:09):
I don't know what the final number was, but I
mean just.

Speaker 2 (01:21:11):
You know, a mindless turnover. I know the turnover was
meaningless because it was like a punt, but that was
just bad play by Josh Allen. He clearly looked like
he didn't want to run today. I think he only
had four scrambled. I don't think they had any design
runs for him today. Thirteen for seventy eight, thirteen penalties,
Like that's a team that wasn't mentally ready to play.

Speaker 6 (01:21:32):
I mean, what was Having seen this Josh Allen team
a few times now, what was great was just I
mean they had like two minutes of possession the first
quarter that like sitting there of.

Speaker 5 (01:21:41):
The first half they fixed that time of possession in
the second half. It was more than the two to
one ratio. It was nine and change time of possession
for Buffalo in the first half, and it ended up
being almost dead even by the end of the game.

Speaker 2 (01:21:55):
Let's space, so they had the ball two to one
in the second half. Essentially, Yeah, I didn't seem like.

Speaker 5 (01:22:00):
That, Uh, Joel and San Antonio, and then we're gonna
hear from both Girodmeo and Drake May But Joel, you're
up first.

Speaker 19 (01:22:06):
What do you got Hey, guys, thank you for taking
my call once again. So to me, uh, today it
felt any show that maybe Buffalo was playing down to us,
to the competition a little bit because to me, and
I'm not educated in any intricacies of football andying like that,

(01:22:29):
just watch the game, but it looked to me like
they weren't just not into it that much, that they
were not playing full speed, and once they decided to
kind of like, okay, we've we've had enough of this,
that's when the real team kind of showed up and
and you could see it like they were just moving

(01:22:51):
the ball whatever, and they ended up obviously beating us.

Speaker 10 (01:22:55):
Uh.

Speaker 19 (01:22:56):
Pretty content. I was I'm not gonna say like like happy,
but pretty content with the offense today for the most part,
especially the way that they started. Ultimately, you know, you
win or lose and again we we.

Speaker 10 (01:23:12):
Use yet again.

Speaker 19 (01:23:13):
Uh, but still excited for what Drake may is.

Speaker 14 (01:23:18):
Uh.

Speaker 19 (01:23:18):
It's gonna hopefully developed into and uh, Paully, I just
want to say that, buddy, if I ever win the lottery,
I will gladly buy you whatever car you want.

Speaker 2 (01:23:29):
You're the beast. I appreciate it. That's a really nice offering.
He's going to hold you to it too.

Speaker 17 (01:23:35):
Yeah.

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Speaker 21 (01:24:07):
Look, I gotta go back and watch the film just
to build in the same page. But no again, I'm
sure he's disappointed and throw an interception and all of
us are and we'll learn from it. Again, Like I
gotta watch the film. You know, as far as as
far as that's concerned.

Speaker 10 (01:24:23):
I think it was the second quarter the kickoff and
you guys took it.

Speaker 21 (01:24:30):
Yeah, that's always uh, you know a consideration to me.
You know, the offense is doing a good job and
w wanted to get those guys back on the field
much faster. Start.

Speaker 2 (01:24:37):
Peers says, attribute to that or start today.

Speaker 21 (01:24:41):
Honestly, I'm not sure. Gotta go. I I have to
watch the film. You know, the guys were ready in
the locker room. I felt like the guys were ready
to go, and they went out there and then started fast.
Now we gotta do the same thing in the second
half and put 'em together.

Speaker 2 (01:24:51):
Try eight score thirty points and eight straight games.

Speaker 22 (01:24:53):
Uh, what would you describe a kind of the pillars
or your defensive game.

Speaker 15 (01:24:57):
Plan or to that?

Speaker 21 (01:24:58):
Uh for our game plan, you know, obviously it starts
with the quarterback and then saying that, you know, we
felt pretty good about the game plan. And yeah, I'm
not really sure as far as points, but you know,
when it we talk about complimentary football and the offense
being able to put together those long jobs also helped
us out, so it all ties in together.

Speaker 2 (01:25:15):
Try how much the lesson learn?

Speaker 22 (01:25:16):
Uh, let's learning day is today for your room. Quarterback
of the the battle and the just kind of the stakes,
everything that he can learn from.

Speaker 21 (01:25:22):
Yeah, that's what makes Drake a a a very good player,
a special player. His mentality of learning from his mistakes.
And he's not a repeater of guys I've said before
and U we look forward to getting back out on
the practice field and get better.

Speaker 2 (01:25:32):
To you means left to be the season?

Speaker 10 (01:25:34):
Just how much have you said you went?

Speaker 7 (01:25:37):
Oh?

Speaker 21 (01:25:37):
I mean I've learned a lot. I've learned a lot,
not only about this team but also about myself. And
we'll continue to push forward and we'll get better. As
I said earlier, look, the the standard, the expectations still
remain high no matter what you know, where we play,
who we play, it doesn't matter, you know, the expectations
that we're gonna go out there and and win football games.
What you see from kishakability and obviously we start off
with different apologizing and doligent followers of the comments.

Speaker 7 (01:25:57):
It seems like you say, what downs back to that?

Speaker 21 (01:25:59):
Yeah, you know, just you know apologize like a man
and and move forward. Move on, right you You has
mentioned before.

Speaker 17 (01:26:06):
That by the end of the season, you guys are
hope be a really tough team to play against.

Speaker 2 (01:26:10):
With that in mind, and reflect on this game to
culture getting a lot of people are expecting how do
you how do you think about that?

Speaker 21 (01:26:16):
Yeah, we never get into the expectations of people outside
of our building. For me, I think these guys ha ha,
they have the mindset to go out there and be physical,
have you know, great mental toughness and try to win
football games.

Speaker 10 (01:26:26):
Were they the tough team that that you've been hoping they?

Speaker 9 (01:26:29):
Speed?

Speaker 21 (01:26:30):
La, We got a bunch of tough guys in there,
and I I, you know, I don't question that again though,
Look we wanna win football games and that's why we're here.

Speaker 22 (01:26:37):
Trog kind of following you know what Phil said, come
into this race was kind of a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:26:42):
Of questions going on around the team and everything else.

Speaker 7 (01:26:44):
Your fourteen point down or dog I should.

Speaker 22 (01:26:45):
Come in here against the team that's you know, playing
for everything.

Speaker 7 (01:26:48):
You're three and eleven.

Speaker 22 (01:26:49):
Just kind of a get thought on what they've brought
to the table today, especially in.

Speaker 21 (01:26:53):
That first out and there Yuah, very very proud of
these men. You know, they came out here, they played hard,
and unfortunately, unfortunately UH didn't walk away with a win.

Speaker 20 (01:27:00):
And what do you look at that player that ended
up via the throw behind the line and a touchdown
football blay for Drake?

Speaker 2 (01:27:07):
Should he have seen the defender?

Speaker 7 (01:27:09):
Looks like he can play it.

Speaker 4 (01:27:10):
And you and if you caught it thelandra if you
would attack.

Speaker 20 (01:27:12):
A lot, should Drake be throwing it?

Speaker 22 (01:27:13):
You can that?

Speaker 21 (01:27:15):
Look, that's another one. I have to go back, you know,
to the film and watch it. Uh, I'll answer it
free tomorrow.

Speaker 10 (01:27:19):
What do you feel like you learned about your team today?

Speaker 7 (01:27:22):
Not much?

Speaker 21 (01:27:23):
And the h these guys have been coming to work
every single day regardless of what the record is. UH
as true professionals, and I appreciate that and look hopefully
at least as some win's here in the last couple
of weeks.

Speaker 2 (01:27:33):
Sideline pictures are kind of close.

Speaker 11 (01:27:35):
Look through there. What did you see?

Speaker 21 (01:27:39):
Look again? You know, the big run hurt us and
we just got to do a better job tackle he
guys got there.

Speaker 2 (01:27:47):
Frustrating the situation in the last two games to.

Speaker 21 (01:27:52):
You know, it was a little bit frustrating. But as
you've watched around the league, you know there have been
times where you know, guys, you know, run it there,
don't run it. Look, we had to get the ball
in the end zone through the air, and that was
a decision. Good guys, appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (01:28:08):
Yeah, we appreciate you.

Speaker 5 (01:28:09):
There, he goes head coach girod Mao after the twenty
four to twenty one loss to the.

Speaker 2 (01:28:13):
Bills in Buffalo. Today. He sounds genuinely proud of the
way they played and look, a three point loss to
the Bills in Buffalo. Yes, yep, absolutely, you should. You should.

Speaker 5 (01:28:25):
There's a there's a lot to be taken away from this,
and I think he's he's probably feeling a little bit better.
All the noise going around this week and there was
some talk of how this team performed in their final
three games of the season. I think that first quarter
performance alone was enough to make him feel a little
better about things overall and maybe the direction that this

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team could be going. It's just got to be more consistent,
and they've they they've still got things to clean up.
In this case, it was turnovers today in a couple
of penalties down the stretch, that ended up hurting them.
But if Drop Mayon wants to overall feel good about
this game today, I can't blame him. You know, fourteen

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point dogs going into that spot, a lot of people
picking him to lose by more than that, and they
gave him a game.

Speaker 2 (01:29:14):
We all did. Yeah, yeah, I mean I don't know,
you didn't Matt did, right?

Speaker 21 (01:29:18):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (01:29:19):
Right.

Speaker 4 (01:29:19):
You don't get to pick because you're not the host anymore.

Speaker 21 (01:29:22):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (01:29:22):
I just say, look, it's it's fine.

Speaker 2 (01:29:26):
Last Matt picked the Patriots too, last.

Speaker 4 (01:29:28):
Road game of the year.

Speaker 6 (01:29:28):
You're gonna come home and you're gonna play a tall
San Diego So come I'm San Diego Tough Chargers team.

Speaker 2 (01:29:33):
You know, San Diego super Chargers of Los Angeles.

Speaker 4 (01:29:36):
Can you build off of this?

Speaker 6 (01:29:37):
Can you take anything? I mean that, you know we
said it all year. They won a few games this year,
and it was always the same story, can you take
this and build.

Speaker 7 (01:29:43):
Off of it?

Speaker 4 (01:29:44):
Can you improve? And they haven't really been able to
do that. It's been a lot of one step four,
one step back.

Speaker 2 (01:29:49):
Can you back up this almost right with an almost right?

Speaker 4 (01:29:53):
Well that's and even some of the moral losses, you know,
you felt like, well it was a loss.

Speaker 6 (01:29:56):
But maybe we show but it's been too much regression,
where if this team follows the same path that they've
been following all year, like they'll come back here against
the Chargers and play like crap and not take anything
that they did in this game positively and carry it
over and build off of it. So look, there's been
a lot of tough, tough home losses this year. I
think the Patriot fans really want to see what they

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saw in the first half today. Can they come out
and play that kind of game? You know, Chargers are
in a similar position. They're in the playoffs. They're gonna
have to fight. They want good positioning. So I just
I look at this next game as I don't know
what the last game is.

Speaker 4 (01:30:30):
The season's gonna matter. I don't know what the Bills
are gonna be playing for at that point. Maybe it
will mean something.

Speaker 6 (01:30:34):
But for now, you look at kind of a weird
sort of week with Christmas coming on a Wednesday, They're
gonna practice on Tuesday, They're gonna practice on Thursday, they're
gonna do walk through Friday, and then they're gonna play Saturday.
So kind of a weird schedule this week. How do
they adapt to that? And you know, can they just
come here and put up a good effort at home
end of the season. I think the fans deserve it.

Speaker 5 (01:30:53):
Robin Florida says. The phrase that comes to mind watching
the second half was aggressively stupid. The decisions of punting
at midfield midway through the fourth, running plays that went
nowhere late in the fourth with time ticking, mapu taking
that ball out of the end zone. Situationally idiotic team
from top to bottom.

Speaker 2 (01:31:12):
I think that's a bit strong.

Speaker 6 (01:31:14):
It is because like every team is gonna have a
few of those situations a game, and maybe you know,
it's easy to highlight them, but you know, I just
I think they showed some progress today in the first half.
And I again I go back to how Drake looked
out of the shoot.

Speaker 4 (01:31:28):
I mean, I just that to me.

Speaker 6 (01:31:30):
I mean, we all know, we've talked about it plenty
of times, how this team looked when they went up
there in the playoffs and got you know, didn't force
a single punt. So it's incouraged those parts aren't curred.

Speaker 2 (01:31:39):
It was as good as half of football as they've
played all year.

Speaker 4 (01:31:42):
Yeah, some of the quarterback who's a rookie. I mean,
and that's you know, that's that matters a lot.

Speaker 5 (01:31:48):
Russ in Westfield joining us here on the Patriots post
game show.

Speaker 2 (01:31:53):
What's going on? Russ?

Speaker 14 (01:31:55):
Yes, gentlemen, I'm gonna let the hammer drop, and I
want your opinion on when I think that this game.
And I'm just gonna tell you some games are won
at certain points and some games are lost and could
lose it. And I'll just give you one quick example.
The Falcons in the in the Super Bowl when Julio
Jones caught the ball, I'm like, run the ball up
the middle. I'm a Patriots fan. I'm like, you want
to win it, Run the ball up the middle three times,

(01:32:15):
kick a field, go out of all the points of
time left. You won the game.

Speaker 2 (01:32:18):
Yep, they didn't.

Speaker 14 (01:32:19):
Today the Patriots lost it. And I think the offensive
coordinator did a phenomenal job of calling thirty great plays.
But that swing past an the end zone the ten
years hit him in the hands. It doesn't matter he
gets smacked. You've seen the play. Touchdown on Mike could
not be two yards forward. Then if you drop its incompletely,
I'm like, as soon as that touchdown, I go they

(01:32:41):
just lost the game. I said, that's it. That was
the play last game. I know, the punt and all
the other thing. And I think we got tremendous players
on defense. I think I see tremendous optimism.

Speaker 11 (01:32:52):
For next year.

Speaker 14 (01:32:53):
But I think that play when I saw, I said,
they lost it. What do you think about that, gentleman.

Speaker 2 (01:32:57):
Well, but wow, he really didn't. Clearly a hammered down.
Clearly the game was lost on that play. They went
down ten in the fourth quarter of the game was over,
like absolutely, that was the play of the game.

Speaker 4 (01:33:09):
Was that the second or the third turnover in a row?

Speaker 2 (01:33:12):
It was the third of the three turnovers, and that
one resulted in a touchdown.

Speaker 4 (01:33:15):
I mean, that's just look, if we're going to play, if.

Speaker 5 (01:33:18):
We're going to take victory laps, I said, it was
lost when the Bills march down the field and scored
on their first possession of the second half and time.

Speaker 4 (01:33:27):
Like now they're waking up.

Speaker 2 (01:33:28):
The only thing I don't know, and you know, just
listen this is I think reasonable minds can disagree. I
think the Patriots played really really well today. I don't
know what that means. I don't have tremendous optimism, Like
I don't. I don't take much more from it than
a really good performance today. That's it, Like I'm sorry,
they haven't really earned me saying well, this is who

(01:33:50):
they are. But do you take more out of the
performance today because they're both losses, you take more out
of the performance today in terms of any positivity or
do you take more out of the loss last week
against Arizona because there was a lot of negative feelings
coming off that vibe, Which which which do you have
more feelings not positive feelings, just feeling overall in terms

(01:34:12):
of last week is more indicative of the way they've
played all year. Today they played really well.

Speaker 4 (01:34:18):
Yeah. I have a little little anecdote to share.

Speaker 6 (01:34:20):
I mean, like I you know, when I played hockey,
you know, I was coming a really bad practice and
my coach just said, you know, put me in a
one on one with a kid who I actually I
did n't going to play in the NHL. And he
was on me, coaches yelling at me, and we had
and I had a really good rep and he said,
you know, look, Deuce, this proves to me that you
can do it and you just don't want to.

Speaker 4 (01:34:40):
And I always like what but I feel like this
proved to me that like Drake May College, Yeah, that
Drake May can he can do it. He can do it.

Speaker 6 (01:34:48):
He can go into Buffalo, he can throw some dimes,
he can get the offense going. He can you know,
have the team rallying around him. So it's just really
a question of can they give him the pieces around
him to round it out.

Speaker 4 (01:34:58):
So it's not like, oh God, Drake, please save us.
You have, you know, a receiver who's going to make.

Speaker 6 (01:35:03):
A play that wasn't made today where he catches a
short pass, he breaks a couple of tackles, he's a burner,
and he runs right through everybody and boom, Drake May,
you know, just threw a five yard pass, but it's
a fifty yard touchdown. You know, same thing that you
saw with James Cook. I mean, you know they have
those kind of explosive players. Put them around Drake, give
him the pieces. But you know what was better, what
was worse.

Speaker 2 (01:35:23):
Let's hope that message we saw him do it. Let's
talk that message to the Patriots more than it did
to you, because you heard that from your coach and
he said, you know what, coach, you're right, and you
moved out to California. You just smoked your marijuana pot
dope and went to the rest. I went to Houston's
by yourself on your birthday and he just said, screw it.

Speaker 4 (01:35:40):
I don't want to That's a really good French stip.

Speaker 6 (01:35:42):
There, No, to be honest with you, I was kind
of like a coach. I want to be able to
do it all the time? Can you push the right
buttons on me so that I do? And I don't
know why I don't all the time.

Speaker 4 (01:35:51):
And that was more of the thought.

Speaker 2 (01:35:52):
But that's not what you want to do.

Speaker 6 (01:35:55):
No, But I mean the general point of it is, though,
that you saw evidence that this kid can do what
we need him to do, and a very small sample size, granted,
but it at least gives you hope that maybe you
can extrapolate that out of him, out of the team,
build off of it, and build the kind of team
that at the end of December, with the division still
in doubt, that this kid can go up there into Buffalo,

(01:36:15):
into a hostile environment and play a sixty minute game.

Speaker 4 (01:36:18):
Somewhere down the line.

Speaker 5 (01:36:19):
All right, let's let's hear from Drake May his postgame
press conference right now, in the Patriots postgame show, here's
the quarterback, the way.

Speaker 22 (01:36:27):
You are, the way guys maybe played the rest first
half of the the season coming in and then the
the turnovers and that sequence in the second and half
as that cost you a uh frustrating one side.

Speaker 23 (01:36:39):
Yeah, it's really frustrating. Just hurting ourselves the same thing,
same things repeating. And you know, those guys are playing,
We're playing hard. That's the biggest thing. You know, I
see those guys are fighting. We're fighting. You know what
atmosphere out there is. You know, we feel like the
way it didn't really affect us a fact. We're they
run the ball well, throwing it well, and got off
to a hot start, and I'll just came out the

(01:37:02):
second half and just you know, put a difference in
a tough spot after they tied it up and then
went down there in the red zone and just gotta
bett in the red zone on me. You know, I
gotta be I gotta be better, and I gotta be
better with getting this stuff and be ready for you know,
blitz zero and then making plays and it at some
point down there. It's the reflection the quarterback, and I
think it's you know, starting coming that way down there
in the red zone, and I gotta, you know, do
better and and do more, and it'll make better throws

(01:37:24):
and give our guys chances, cause you know they're playing
their butts off.

Speaker 20 (01:37:27):
You said to reflection the quarterback.

Speaker 2 (01:37:28):
You mean they're they're kind of challenging.

Speaker 7 (01:37:30):
You're pretty yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah.

Speaker 23 (01:37:33):
I mean just me seeing it, you know, they're they're
you're presenting the picture then Breen zero, theyre presenting the
picture and dropping out. I think it's just counts on
me to Hey, we're go' you know, force you to
make tight throws. They're gona force you to be ready
for blitz zero goa force you to they'll not be
able to run the ball, and may gotta make a play.
Not let me scramble off n I scrambled a little
bit too early sometimes tonight. And then just at the

(01:37:54):
end of the day, you know we're in that game
and that's the playoff football team. We just played with
a MVP candidate, and you know we're in that game,
and I felt like we had a chance to come
out with them.

Speaker 2 (01:38:03):
It's up two laterals, uh in the game? Are those
designed to be lass that execution of those plays.

Speaker 23 (01:38:10):
Uh, I'm not sure, but there's baffers fast to the Yeah,
we running that play offs season. I'm just unfortunate that,
you know, we didn't get the end. You know that
ends up you know, a big dude, and it's tough,
tough player to cut. So that's really uh just a
you know, tough break and you know, gotta get back
and maybe try to make it forward. But you know,
tough tough play on Mandre to catch it and get

(01:38:31):
blown up.

Speaker 7 (01:38:32):
So maybe.

Speaker 23 (01:38:34):
Either gotta throw it at somebody's feet or do something
different your Yeah, I think, uh, shoot, there was a collision.
Definitely had the goal line. We had a you know
concept and you know, f you was kind of felt
like it was gonna be the same type throw against
the the Colts to hoop and I let go early,
you know, thinking he'd break it off and you know,

(01:38:55):
just wasn't on the same page.

Speaker 7 (01:38:56):
I got. Gave him a you know chance.

Speaker 23 (01:38:57):
I think he was thinking back pylon, so I gotta
give him a a better chance to you know, give
him a maybe hold the safety a little bit. So
just you know, frustrating, we're down there, got a chance
to go up and you know, make it a you know,
twenty one seventeen ball game and uh just a kind
of uh you know, frustrating.

Speaker 7 (01:39:12):
Kind of heartbreaker.

Speaker 15 (01:39:13):
So was on that touchdown to.

Speaker 23 (01:39:16):
Play, Yeah, just taking a shot pressed up man, and
I'm just giving giving our guys a chance to win
on a fade ball. And I think, you know, had
some sch other chances to night throw back shoulders instead
of you know, throwing it up over the shoulder. But
a great play by Booty, and uh, I felt like
it was a great starts for you know, the game
for you know, get up seven zer and then uh,
you know what.

Speaker 7 (01:39:36):
A catch or your questions of your first quarterback.

Speaker 23 (01:39:40):
Yeah, I think, uh, the one the goal one should
cut it up, should have thought slick out there, couldn't
really steel my feet. But I think, uh, the other stuff,
I think it's you know, chance for us to pick
us the first downs. He had a big one at
the end there around the edge, and other than that,
I think, you know, there's time for it. But at
the same time, I think, uh, the me making plays,
I think I'll I'll scramble enough and make some plays.

Speaker 7 (01:40:03):
With the a VP and maybe draw it around those
plays being.

Speaker 10 (01:40:06):
Introduced to us.

Speaker 23 (01:40:09):
Yeah, just you know, big six five dude, they can
you know, pick up a yard or you know, beat
somebody with some speed.

Speaker 7 (01:40:14):
I think people underestimate me a little bit.

Speaker 23 (01:40:16):
So I think it helps us offensively to to move
the change and at this point, you know need some
helping them some short yardage or some different areas and
you know, got in the red zone for me to
you'll go make a play.

Speaker 6 (01:40:26):
So you tatyan see, that's really difficult to.

Speaker 8 (01:40:31):
Play against at the end of the year, despite the loss.
Do you take any solace in the batteacher to play
against to get the teams.

Speaker 23 (01:40:38):
That yeah, I think, Uh, you know, when you lose,
it's tough to kind of you know, think about the
positives and you know, it's so frustrating and.

Speaker 7 (01:40:48):
I gotta hold myself from some manger.

Speaker 23 (01:40:51):
It's just you know, at some points turns from disappointment
to just kind of you know, you're getting you you're
getting frustrated, really frustrated.

Speaker 7 (01:40:57):
So, uh, the big thing is, uh, it's a tough
environment here.

Speaker 23 (01:41:00):
It's a basically a night game, basically basically a prime
time game in Buffalo, and maybe, like I said, against
MVP candidate and you know, good defense and a team
that's gonna be in the playoffs. Almost proud of the guys,
and you know, coach Mayo said that at the end,
you know, tonight's kind of break down, he said, you know,
proud of us, but at the same time, it's not
where we wanna be and put thing. It's kind of

(01:41:21):
sneak peek hopefully into you know, some meaningful games here
and you know, hopefully it's at our place in the
future years, but some meaningful games at the end, you know,
with Buffalo and in December and hopefully just some uh
super seeming two weeks.

Speaker 2 (01:41:32):
So at those final.

Speaker 22 (01:41:33):
Fights gonna fall over, Bill said, you know the fight,
there were fourteen point underd dollars coming in there, eleven
to three year three eleven lots swirling around maybe this
week and even draw it and how good was there
for the team.

Speaker 2 (01:41:46):
That kind of said the best is that he got
the coaches.

Speaker 7 (01:41:50):
Backs and yeah, just tryna uh uh, just tryna block
out that noise. You know.

Speaker 23 (01:41:53):
I think it's a you know, a bunch of the
conversations about our about our coaching staff and you know,
stuff like that. I think it's uh, you know, some
bs to be quite honest, you know, Coach Mail, those guys,
Coach Mail's you know, we got like I said, we.

Speaker 7 (01:42:07):
Got his back and his coach is hard. He wants
to win. We all wanna win.

Speaker 23 (01:42:09):
You know, we're all frustrated. Avp's been. I don't feel
like I feel calling great the past past weeks. We're
just plays away and basically me turning the ball over.
I think it's just, uh, you know testament of these guys.
They keep fighting, We keep fighting, feu we're not gonna
make the playoffs or we're out of the race, and
these guys are keep coming in and the frustrating we
don't score and there uh they got energy to practice,
and they got energy coming in the game and and

(01:42:30):
we wanna win. This guys not even playing that or
are yelling on the sidelines and and wanted to win.
So it's a uh, I think we're building something good,
building something that's that feels right here.

Speaker 7 (01:42:39):
And you know, I'm proud to be you know, proud
to be a Patriot.

Speaker 2 (01:42:43):
Th last things difference that after.

Speaker 14 (01:42:45):
Going over six last week and.

Speaker 7 (01:42:48):
One of the third guy that he started four for
four of today, Yeah, a.

Speaker 2 (01:42:53):
Lot more of the wall uh even over comes some
kind of gas and finals for sure.

Speaker 23 (01:42:59):
Yeah, I fel like last week just to really again
in the flow of the game, I feel like kind
of we got into the flow of the game tonight
and you know, I fel like I was seen it.

Speaker 7 (01:43:05):
Well. So those guys who do a good job of
you know, finding space and you know, beating.

Speaker 23 (01:43:09):
Their man one on one, they challenge with one on ones,
and you know, I think, you know, hopefully people continue
to do that, cause I like our guys one on
one matchups. I'm I think we's it's it's a little
bit different game for a fourteen seven that first throwed
a booty, I I I throw it in the dirt,
had a dig across the middle. It's fourteen seven.

Speaker 7 (01:43:24):
I think I hit it. That's pros possibly a big
play and maybe get down there and score another time.
That'd be huge.

Speaker 23 (01:43:28):
So it challenged us, and I think we felt like
in a good rhythm and credit those guys are studying
the plan. We're getting in, you know, in in and
out of a lot of different calls and different formations
and different play calls.

Speaker 7 (01:43:40):
So you'll proud of those guys. And you know, I
feel like We've got something to look forward to, all.

Speaker 5 (01:43:45):
Right, there he goes, There goes the quarterback, Drake May
after the loss in Buffalo. Today, we are wrapping things
up here on the Patriots postgame show, Paul final thoughts.

Speaker 2 (01:43:54):
I just hope to make it home. He's going downhill
and in a hurry.

Speaker 5 (01:44:00):
Yeah, they really took a turn here. I want to
get out of this confined space. No final thoughts and
make them quick quick week.

Speaker 4 (01:44:12):
See what Drake does next week. That's it.

Speaker 2 (01:44:14):
Fair enough.

Speaker 5 (01:44:15):
Pleasure filling in once again for Matt Smith this season, gentlemen.
Enjoy the rest of the season. Enjoy the game next week.
Merry Christmas, everybody, Happy Happy Holidays as we wrap things
up here in your final score for the final time
Peytots twenty one Buffalo twenty four.

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