Patriots Postgame Show 12/28: Full Analysis of Patriots 40-7 Loss to the Chargers

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Hey, good afternoon, Patriots Fins. Matt Smith with Paul Purlo
and Mike to So here from our studios at Gillette
Stadium and Fox from Massachusetts, where the Patriots have just
wrapped up a forty to seven thumping. They were the
thump eases by the Los Angeles Chargers forty to seven
in a game that wasn't that close. Patriots now dropped

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(02:21):
a little instant analysis. I'll start on my right deuce.

Speaker 4 (02:25):
How bad was it?

Speaker 5 (02:26):
I think this was rock bottom. I know we had
some debate about when can rock bottom be? And you know,
when can you properly assess when rock bottom is unless
you began the upturn back? But you know, I don't
know what next week's going to mean, but it's hard
to see it being worse than this. This was non competitive.
I mean, he's just you had no answers to the
charges offense. He forced them the punt once and then
they scored seven straight drives. The offense could move the ball.

(02:50):
You had one throw from drake Man that he kind
of tossed up in a penalty situation, a free play,
if you will, and really other than that, that was
about it.

Speaker 6 (02:57):
So I just.

Speaker 5 (02:59):
Thought about this game a lot in the spring, in
the summer when the schedule came out. Could they could
they be competitive here? These were the games that we
thought we wanted to see some signs of life that
you could carry over into next year. There's none of that.
There's really just just nothing really to take positive from
this game at all.

Speaker 3 (03:13):
I'll add one little thing before I handed over to
my friend here to my left after the Buffalo game.
And they weren't world beaters in the Buffalo game, but
there was signs of life, competitive games, There was competitiveness.
To say that today was a step back is a
grotesque understatement. Yeah, grotesque understanding.

Speaker 5 (03:30):
I mean, I think it's been a lot like that
this year, where they've had a game with some positives
and then they stepped back and had a terrible game.
I think this has happened a few times this year. Look,
this is who they are. I mean, this is this
you know, like you can talk about a couple of
games here where you were reasonably competitive, but ultimately those
were the games that were the the you know, the
I'm missing the word of wetherside. Those are the games
that are against what they.

Speaker 7 (03:51):
Pa.

Speaker 5 (03:52):
I just so mad, I'm getting losing track of my words.
But those are the outliers. This is the real team.
They just they don't have the horse, especially in defense.
I mean, it's just there's nothing going on there on
the defense. Nothing all want to.

Speaker 3 (04:02):
Challenge any of this, No, not at all.

Speaker 2 (04:03):
I think you guys are right, And I would just say, like,
at this point, they've played sixteen games, and this sounds
really harsh and and it is. I don't I but
I just think that when the outliers Mike called it
last week, like, I'm sorry, I'm going to chalk that
up to the other team more so than anything. You like,
did they play that much different today? I don't know,

(04:24):
maybe maybe you know, like Matt asked me, was we
were coming in? Mike just sort of this is a
tough one for the playing for their coach. They're playing hard,
for their coach, like, I don't know, like I I
think guys are try and I think there's effort out there.
I think they're out classed most weeks. And the Chargers

(04:44):
came to play today. The Chargers were sharp, and I
thought offensively, they kind of surprised me a little bit
in that you know, Herbert throws the ball thirty eight
times in basically three quarters. He didn't really play in
the fourth quarter. I think he was out of the
game with eleven minutes left. And I look at them
as a little bit more of a conservative approach, but
they changed some of the things that they do today.

(05:06):
And I think when the other team plays well, the
Patriots don't have a lot of answers, so like, to me,
the biggest difference between this week and last week, the
Charges played well and the Bills didn't. And I know
that sounds really harsh, but that's how I feel.

Speaker 3 (05:21):
What we said before the Buffalo game that you know,
human nature would be and when they were in tough
road games in LA and who was the other road
game that they had prior to the Patriots game.

Speaker 2 (05:29):
They played San Francisco on a Sunday night game in
the snow, then they had the game against the Rams
that was a shootout, and then they had the Lions
game that was a shootout. Interests play at that level
every week, you know, and that showed, you know, like
Khalil Shakira has a chance to catch a touchdown in
the end zone, goes off his hands. They didn't go

(05:50):
off their hands today. You know, McConkie caught it on
the Boston caught it. The first driver had two They
had two drops, which was the only reason why they
punted correct on a two out of the three plays
that forced the you know, like they got a first
down and then they didn't get the second first down
when two out of the three plays would drop passes
one by Johnston, one by McConkie, and the rest of

(06:11):
the game they were sharp, you know. You know, maybe
Herbert missed McConkey on another touchdown that you could have
had later in the game, but by that time, the
game had long since been decided and the Patriots had nothing,
no answers at all offensive where they couldn't move the
ball at all.

Speaker 3 (06:27):
This is gonna be a tough one to sugarcoat. Patriot fans.
Will do our best to try to get through this.
Fred kerschwill join us later on, but I'm sure he'll
come up with the silver lining. We're gonna kick things
off with some historical precedent with the good, the bad,
and the injured.

Speaker 1 (06:43):
Now it's time for the good, pretty good, pretty good,
the bad, and the injured.

Speaker 3 (06:52):
Ah, you are right guy, Okay, Paul, I'm waiting on it.

Speaker 2 (07:01):
You got me hooked. So I would say that my
good list only consists entirely of a play or two
here or there.

Speaker 7 (07:12):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (07:12):
I didn't really have any anybody or anything on the
good list, which is that's the precedent that matt Is
is talking about. I'll just say that Drake may to
do Mario Douglas, you know, for the touchdown. Was a
good play by both guys. It was good recognition by

(07:33):
the quarterback to know we had a free play, good adjustment,
so he just he just threw it up for grabs
and Douglas makes a really nice adjustment, makes a nice
play on the ball for a touchdown.

Speaker 7 (07:42):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (07:43):
That's the best I can give you. Yeah, Like that's it.

Speaker 5 (07:46):
Yeah, the only positive checks I had and I'm not
saying these are good list, but I just I had
a check next Stanfordy Jennings. He had a run stop
and I had set an edge and I had a
tackle for loss for Isaiah Bolden. Those are two plays
when it was still competitive that just stood out to me.

Speaker 8 (07:59):
But that was it.

Speaker 5 (08:00):
Those are the only two I got. What do you got, paulis.

Speaker 2 (08:02):
Thirty three twenty nine? Yeah, I said, thirty three physical
twenty nine flashed. But they were both individual plays, That's all.

Speaker 5 (08:09):
That was the only positive checks I had. Once he
got into you know, kind of garbage time or where
the game complexion suddenly changes and you know, it's a
lot harder to give out pluses when you're chasing and
you know it's just a different game.

Speaker 3 (08:21):
Yeah, so yeah, I got nothing, and I don't think
we should be surprised about that. Like, let's again, I said,
let's not sugarcoat it. We can't sit here and just
sort of fabricate plays players in this game. This was
an abject stinker across the board.

Speaker 4 (08:35):
Absolutely.

Speaker 3 (08:36):
So with that being said, I leaned left on the good.
We'll start the bad to my right, Mike, and my
guess is no one spared.

Speaker 6 (08:44):
No.

Speaker 5 (08:44):
I mean, it's just really a question where you want
to start. I think to me, like, look, it was
disappointing it at the beginning when they were just giving up.
I think it was three straight scoring drives, you know,
at the beginning. But after they may touchdown, you know,
you just you felt a little bit like, all right,
like maybe they stem the tide.

Speaker 3 (09:01):
Maybe seventeen seven, maybe May.

Speaker 5 (09:02):
Going out with the concussion that rattled the team, and
now they're you know, it's seventeen seven now and mate,
And that was when the defense just allowed them go.
You know, like, not only do you allow a fourth
down conversion, then you allow then freaking out what's his face,
Nagakway takes a a personal penalty that gives them fifteen yards,
you know, just to allow a score. In that situation,
it's just like, we can't win. We can't do anything right.

(09:24):
Even when there's a small bit of positivity for the team.
The defense goes right back out there and watches them
go right down the field, takes a stupid penalty to
give them extra yards to make sure that they make
the field goal. So I know, the defense was overall
horrible today, and we can, you know, point out any
which way you want, but to me, that was like
just the most unforgivable part of it, right there was
the offense gave you a brief moment to maybe make

(09:47):
a stop and to give them a chance to come
out at the start of the third quarter and go
down and score a touchdown and it's seventeen fourteen. Nope,
wasn't meant to be. Not only did they let them go,
they took a penalty along the way. I thought that
was the part to me that was just really really aggravating.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
Yeah, I would agree on thousand percent with Mike, you know,
and I didn't think there was much of a chance,
but you know, you get a play, and you know,
I immediately looked at Mike and Evan, I said, oh,
one twenty four left, like cause I had this whole thing.
I was joking it was seventeen nothing. I was like,
a you take over two and a half minutes left,
here we go, double score, get yourself right back in

(10:21):
the game, get back within a score, you score here,
get the ball coming out in the second half. Well,
they scored, and I looked at the clock and I said,
there's still won twenty four left. They're gonna give up points,
and they did, and Mike is right, like they're on
the edge of field goal range. But in Gakway's got
to get a rough in the passer call which was
completely unnecessary, like totally totally unnecessary, and you make it,

(10:43):
you know, a much more makeable field goal, which he
just barely made. He just squeaks it over the over
the upright. Maybe if it's you know, fifteen yards might
have made a difference. So yeah, I thought that was
a key juncture in the game. I would focus specifically today.
The secondary was really bad. I just thought there was
a wide open receiver on virtually every play and sometimes

(11:04):
may Herbert went in different directions with the ball, but
for the most part he was picking out where he
wanted to throw, and crossing routes were a problem. Seam
routes were a problem, deep deep slot fades.

Speaker 3 (11:16):
That were a problem.

Speaker 2 (11:19):
But a look at how just look at how open
these guys are. When you when you start to watch
some of these plays, it was just I don't want
after another I don't let the dbs off.

Speaker 3 (11:28):
The hook your Paul, But is it tough to cover?
And Herbert does not need to get his uniform clean today?
I mean there was an I was really surprised when
I see the games on the NFL network at one o'clock,
I know that Al Michaels and Chris Collinsworth aren't doing
the game, and so there was an obvious bias there.
I thought, Chris Rosen and Ross Tucker, you guys are

(11:48):
in the press box. They did a really good job.
Tucker early on in the second quarter was incredibly frank.
He goes, they've got the worst wide receivers in the league.
They've got the worst offensive line in the league. You
don't generally hear a network analyst call out a team
like that. Early on after the second series, he goes,
look at the pass protection. He goes, the Patriots can't
get a lick of a rush on. Paul's right about

(12:11):
the defensive backs. But when you hear coaches talk about
marrying up the rush in the coverage, there was no rush.

Speaker 2 (12:18):
So here's the thing. They don't have any pass rushers.

Speaker 3 (12:21):
They can't win one on one.

Speaker 2 (12:22):
They're supposed to have guys in the second aya fair. Yeah,
and by the way, this was the case before Gonzales
got hurt, So why do want to hear that? Yep,
Gonzales got beat on a fourth down, crossing route, just
like everybody else did. Jonathan Jones. If I had to
pick out one guy who struggled for most today, Jonathan Jones.

Speaker 3 (12:40):
Him as a guy to look forward in the like
just look at this separation.

Speaker 2 (12:45):
Yeah, well, I mean we were that's a fourth down play. Yeah,
I mean we were like just supposed to be in
his in his pocket there, Like that's just too easy.
And I know he's sort of like passing him up.
Get it's fourth down, you know. If they showed this.

Speaker 3 (12:58):
Uh, look at nobody near her, but look at how
look at how open.

Speaker 2 (13:02):
I don't care if you have a guy in his face,
that's still a touchdown.

Speaker 3 (13:05):
This network here had a great replay on this particular touchdown. Guys,
I don't know if you have it. It's the All
twenty two look by any chance where they show the
defensive back sort of try to pass that off.

Speaker 2 (13:18):
Oh yeah, and to Dugger and you're supposed to be
over the top for help there and he's missing.

Speaker 3 (13:23):
He's not at all.

Speaker 2 (13:24):
And this is what I'm saying. It's Dugger, it's Jonathan Jones,
it's Christian Gonzalez. You know, it's not just like Isaiah
Bolden in Alex Austin. Then I would say, you know,
these guys, these guys are pressed into duty. They're trying
to learn their way. This was widespread. Everybody was involved today.
The safety struggled, the corners struggled, the pass rush struggled.

(13:46):
But the pass rush isn't there. They don't have anybody
that can rush the passer.

Speaker 3 (13:50):
Even when they tried to scheme things up though, Paul,
they couldn't get close.

Speaker 2 (13:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (13:53):
I mean, but until the game was out of hand.

Speaker 2 (13:55):
They don't get any pressure. No, like that's not They
didn't get any pressure last week. They didn't get any
pressure this week. They haven't gotten any pressure since Week one.
They just they don't really have the pass rushers to
impact the game. And I think, you know, like the
one game that they got pressure was against Caleb Williams.

Speaker 3 (14:13):
And here we all said in the pregame show, Oh
here comes Harbaugh, big tough guy, big ten you know,
coach who's gonna want to run the ball and the
elements and everything like that. He laughed at him. I
don't need to run it today. I'm gonna throw it
down your throat. Was it thirty eight?

Speaker 2 (14:27):
Herber threw thirty eight passes I believe in he was
out of.

Speaker 3 (14:30):
The game with because it was taking candy from a
baby when you threw they could.

Speaker 5 (14:34):
They actually ran for one hundred and forty seven yards.

Speaker 2 (14:36):
Oh yeah, no, they ran it too, But they kept
running on early downs, and like Evan and I were
looking and it was like, I feel like they could
run like an eleven yard crosser on every play if
they wanted to, but they kept sort of setting up
you know, second and eight, you know, third and five,
and then they would get it. I mean, at one point,
I think we calculated they were ten for fifteen on
third down, and two of those fails on third down

(14:58):
resulted in fourth down conversion, so it was like twelve
for fifteen on third down. They just had no answers.

Speaker 3 (15:04):
Defensively, all right, is there as we're picking through the
rubble here and it is rubble, is there anything other
that we want to talk about on the bad list
as far as individuals. I mean, I think defensively they
were bad. Offensively they were bad.

Speaker 2 (15:20):
Just thought I thought like short yardage run defense was
particularly bad. Sure Like I didn't think like I didn't
think Dobbins had a huge game. You know, I think
his average per carry was pretty honest. But anytime it
was short yardage, they weren't just getting it. They were
getting like five yards, you know. And that's there was
one that he that he sort of bounced outside and

(15:41):
it was like there's nobody there, you know, third and two,
they're like caving down the whole side of the line
for an easy ten yards. Just just really, I mean,
you're just twenty three minutes twenty seconds time in possession
in the first half. They ran twenty three twenty to
six forty.

Speaker 3 (15:56):
They ran fifteen plays offensively in the first half, which
was a league low in the last five years.

Speaker 2 (16:04):
That's a great stat that's a great stat, Matt. I mean,
that's like just to illustrate total dominance two forty nine
to ninety one, eighteen first downs to five, and out
of those five first downs, two of them were on penalties.

Speaker 3 (16:20):
Here's one who leads the league in horse callers. I
don't know, just so you know, least three that they've
called on the Patriots one Like, that's a tough call.
That's a tough call to make.

Speaker 2 (16:29):
Ha key on White, because key On White, I think
is the guy who leads the league the league. But
I will say this, and I.

Speaker 3 (16:36):
Want to be future twisehead one as well.

Speaker 2 (16:38):
John Hussey is the worst referee in football, and I
know I attack the referees every week. He has no
control of the game. He's constantly adding more time on
the clock. He's constantly stopping the game. And the horse
caller was horse crap. It was not a horse caller tackle.
He calls it from twenty five yards behind the play.
I can't stand John Hussey. When I saw him today,
I said to myself, add fifteen minutes onto the game

(16:59):
because he'll lose control of it at some point. And
sure enough, he's calling horse caller tackles in thirty point
games from eight miles away. He grabbed him by the back,
but he didn't pull him down, Like I just want
to be fair about it, Like we're beating the crap
out of the team and we're calling them on disciplined
and stuff. That wasn't horse that wasn't not horse caller tackle.
John Hussey Fred's guy. Now Fred's taking his victory laft

(17:21):
a ladd McConkey to them.

Speaker 5 (17:22):
Geez, he was just out there talking. I'm hyping him
up at the lad gave him a game ball, Thanks
for believing to me, Fred?

Speaker 3 (17:28):
Did Fred take it away from his aunt? That is
hont that's what they said.

Speaker 2 (17:32):
Did they say that I figured I had to be
someone the Chargers don't have fans, that there's a lot
of people here the charge.

Speaker 3 (17:37):
Good hustle by the CBS crew who's doing the game
for NFL network. Good hustle by the camera person. They
gave the person credit for going to find that out.
All right, Fred strapped it on and he's in. You
want to uh, do you want to challenge any of
the the dreary analysis that we have so far?

Speaker 4 (17:53):
Well, I haven't heard anything.

Speaker 3 (17:54):
It hasn't been good.

Speaker 4 (17:56):
No, I can't imagine it would be.

Speaker 2 (17:57):
We didn't really have anything for the good list other
than like that's the first I don't. I don't think
I've ever had nothing that I said was good today.

Speaker 4 (18:05):
Yeah, I mean the pop catch was good, but.

Speaker 2 (18:07):
Yeah, good adjustment and that was it. Like we're talking
about individual plays.

Speaker 4 (18:12):
Yeah, early Jennings was on a good trend, but that
everything play, everything collapse.

Speaker 5 (18:21):
You remember the Isaiah Bolden one?

Speaker 2 (18:22):
Yeah, evidently he missed that one.

Speaker 3 (18:24):
To Fred, my job's not to rank him. Where would
you rate today? In religiency bias certainly doesn't help. But
this has got to be the worst, Mike said, low
point of the year, rock bottom. The candidates are at
the Jets at San Francisco, Yeah, against Jacksonville, in London,

(18:44):
at Arizona and today.

Speaker 4 (18:46):
I think a lot of those to me were just
as bad, if not worse this one. I mean, let's
face it, I've clocked out.

Speaker 8 (18:55):
You know.

Speaker 4 (18:55):
We were talking on Patriots unfiltered over the week at
this point, like do you really even want to win? Oh? Yeah, no.
We talked about how.

Speaker 3 (19:04):
About how about just how about do you want to compete?

Speaker 2 (19:06):
Jarring coming?

Speaker 3 (19:06):
Do you want to compete?

Speaker 9 (19:07):
No?

Speaker 4 (19:08):
That was disappointing that the competition was just dreadful, you know,
defense all year, Like I got a lot of posts about,
you know, how come they could do well against Allen
and they couldn't do anything against Herbert. I don't know
the answer to that except that maybe Gonzo went out

(19:29):
early because early you saw Herbert having a lot of.

Speaker 2 (19:33):
Time that happened until the second quarter, but.

Speaker 4 (19:35):
Having having to throw it away a lot you know
what early, Yes he did.

Speaker 2 (19:41):
Yeah he did, read he didn't he never had to
throw the he threw the ball away like three times
in the game right early. No, no, I did not
believe that we could possibly have a disagreement in this game.
But he had two incomplete passes in like the first
like half early on. Both went through his receiver's hands.

Speaker 4 (19:59):
Early on.

Speaker 2 (19:59):
The coverage that was not good. The coverage was not good.
He helped play in this game. It wasn't It was terrible.
And by the way, Gonzalez was part of that early
fir down crossing route to Johnston is wide open.

Speaker 4 (20:11):
Okay, so were those But early on there were plays
where he had tons of time and nobody was throw the.

Speaker 2 (20:18):
Ball to a guy who was open, Like when when
did he throw it away early in the game? So
he threw a couple away. At the end of the
first half, he threw from the from the twenty yard
with eleven seconds, he threw.

Speaker 4 (20:30):
One this over the sideline that no one was opened.

Speaker 2 (20:33):
Right again, because of the clock. He couldn't throw the
ball in the middle of the field because.

Speaker 4 (20:36):
The clock, this is way before the end of the half.

Speaker 2 (20:39):
Night please jump in.

Speaker 3 (20:41):
Well, I'm going to jump in to just tell Fred this.

Speaker 2 (20:43):
Please jump in your face.

Speaker 3 (20:45):
One of the things that Paul said that, I think
makes some sense if you look at it contextually last
week against Buffalo, with the Bills coming off a couple
of high powered, high offensive wins, natural letdown and maybe
they weren't going on all so that could be possible,
and that's why the defense looked better.

Speaker 2 (21:03):
I don't think there was that much of a difference.
I really don't know.

Speaker 3 (21:06):
The team just played well today and today were good.
With the Chargers needing the win and playing well, the
defense got boat.

Speaker 2 (21:13):
Raced as public that was a boat race today. I
got boat race, no doubt.

Speaker 4 (21:16):
But I'm just saying that things just got progressively worse
as the game went on.

Speaker 7 (21:21):
You know.

Speaker 2 (21:22):
Yeah, they screwed on every drive, Like I just this
is what I don't except for the first one, right,
because they get They dropped two passes on the first drive, right,
Mike Quentin Johnson dropped an easy out right through his hands,
and then Maconkey had a little slot fade that he
went right through his hands.

Speaker 4 (21:40):
Well he had it with just on it, but anyway, okay,
drop passes too.

Speaker 2 (21:44):
They then scored Mike on how many drives in a row?
Seven possessions in a row. They scored after that and
some of those.

Speaker 3 (21:51):
Some of those drives were eleven play ninety one yards,
twelve plays sixty seven yards, ten plays ninety four yards.

Speaker 4 (21:58):
It was just these are seven of the first eight
drives of the original question was why did they do
better against Josh Allen than this week? And you know,
that's the only thing I could come up with is
that you know, Gonzo got you know, was out early,
and I think it would have been.

Speaker 2 (22:14):
Best coverage guy, without question. You know, it would have
been better if Gonzo plays four quarters. That I wouldn't
I wouldn't argue with. But I don't think that they
had any periods in this game where they struggled offensively.

Speaker 3 (22:25):
But I hear you on the you know, I clocked out.
I know you don't mean that literally, but I understand.

Speaker 4 (22:30):
It, no, because like it's hard, it's hard to at
this point to be like crazily disappointed, right, but well
with they're three and thirteen.

Speaker 3 (22:41):
But I'm looking at a stack one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine,
ten emails which we'll get to the compete level today.
And I think that's where fans are going to have
a real problem with today, is that they were outclassed
right out of the shoot.

Speaker 4 (22:54):
Well, they're lining up because they want to you know,
a lot. There's intention behind this, okay, you know, pointing
out the compete because they want to make the point
that the team has the team is clocked out, and
that's an indictment on the coaching staff here. I'm going
to go with Fred on this, and they want the
coaches gone.

Speaker 2 (23:13):
Yeah, and I think and again I'll repeat what I said,
and Matt just paraphrased. I know it sounds really harsh.
I don't think there's a huge difference between how they
played last week and this, like the results are obviously different.
I think it's all about the other team.

Speaker 3 (23:28):
It could be.

Speaker 2 (23:29):
I think when the other team plays well, they're powerless
to stop.

Speaker 4 (23:32):
But here's the thing, Like, I am under no illusion
that this is a good team or even a middling
team too. They're a bad team, right and everyone's And
you're gonna get blown out in a season when you're
a bad team, especially at the end of the season,
when the other team has something to play for and
is a good team and you don't, you're gonna get

(23:52):
blown out. That's what happens in the NFL, where now
a bad we've been, not just recently, we are a
bad team one. And that's why I'm saying I'm not
like I'm with the fully disappointed.

Speaker 2 (24:04):
I'm with you Fred. I was a little surprised because
I didn't think the Chargers were quote unquote that good. Okay,
so I'll say that the Chargers impressed me today. I
thought the Chargers look really good today. Now I will
say today, yeah, I thought he was really sharp. And
I will say that one of the differences today that
was a change is like, you know, a couple of oh,

(24:24):
by the way scores at the end for the other team,
and you didn't get the old by the way scores
that you have been getting. Like his own game was
really close to this except for the Patriots score two
touchdowns in the fourth quarter.

Speaker 4 (24:36):
Yeah yeah, do you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (24:37):
Like they had three points with ten minutes left from
the game.

Speaker 4 (24:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (24:40):
Right.

Speaker 3 (24:41):
Here's one that we're talking in generalities as well. We should,
because I think the blanket can be widespread on both
units offensive defense. What do we think about the quarterback today?

Speaker 5 (24:51):
Well, I was gonna put him on the BA list,
and that's moserdly So because and for me, it's just
it's getting yourself hurt on the third play of the game.
This is something you need to learn from. And I
mean not even really talking about his play, it's just
he has to be smarter than this. He's it already
happened to him once. He wasn't gonna pick up the
first down. I mean, he had already stepped out of
bounds when he took that hit. So you know, for me,

(25:11):
that's the biggest thing he talked about. Want to see
Drake may improve, Drake may making strides. Well, this was
an error repeater to me. And we're lucky that he
was able to come back in the game because I
think we all thought, oh great, there goes Drake. We're gonna,
you know, have to watch Jacobe Brissette play again for
another game.

Speaker 4 (25:24):
I just look his play.

Speaker 5 (25:26):
His play wasn't great in this game either, but I
just put it almost entirely here on this first play
where he's got to be smarter. He's got to take
care of himself. He's got to know when to give
himself up and when to when.

Speaker 3 (25:35):
To try to get this.

Speaker 4 (25:36):
He actually tries to spin back, and I mean I
respect that he's.

Speaker 5 (25:39):
A compete, kid, but like, but learn to pick your battle.

Speaker 4 (25:42):
I think they did have a bad game, but a
lot of it was because of Jim Harbaugh. Jim Harbor
is a really good coach. He's playing against a rookie
quarterback with who and he knows that he that rookie
quarterback has a bad line, and he knows how to
make you look bad. He's a good coach, and I
think that's part of it.

Speaker 2 (26:03):
So I think that's a really good point, Freddy, because like,
contrast what Buffalo did last week. I thought Buffalo just
went hell bent for leather after him right from the
first right from the first nap. Harbaugh didn't do that. No,
harborm picked his spots. He confused, and he heated him
up when he needed to, and he made him look
really bad. And Evan was talking some of those key plays.

(26:23):
Evan was talking about, there were receivers there, and that's
why I would I would agree with fred and Mike.
I would have May on the batt list too. I
thought the plays to be made, and he got affected
by the rush on those big plays a little like
little hot routes to the receiver on a fourth and
two that he ran and got the there was the
big sack that went like fifteen yards backward. K So
I think that's a really good point about Harball. Like

(26:45):
I don't know if it's Jesse Minter or whoever gets
the credit for it, but their game plan was much
more effective than Buffalo's last week in terms of like
affecting May with the pressure as opposed to just putting,
because Buffalo had constant pressure on May last year, but
this week I thought it led to bad plays by
May and then.

Speaker 4 (27:03):
And then you get behind early and you're passing all
the time, and you know, but having.

Speaker 3 (27:07):
Said that, the fourth and two play inexcusable to take
a twenty.

Speaker 2 (27:11):
Yard I mean, I don't care about the like it's
you can't get sacked.

Speaker 3 (27:16):
No, you got to throw the ball to somebody on
four away, throw it away it long and make it
a punt and the razzle dazzle.

Speaker 2 (27:22):
I hope they pick it up.

Speaker 3 (27:23):
I don't know what anybody knows what's gonna happen. Yeah,
I had I guess coming out of the locker room
on what happened on that play, but that that's you
can't make that play on and week? What is this
week seventeen.

Speaker 2 (27:34):
Yeah, and I think the play was supposed to go
to to Mario Douglas, but I don't know this for sure.
But it also looked like May was trying not to
pitch the ball at the last second, like he didn't
like it. Like the timing or the spacing was off.
I think they were trying to get the defense to
flow with Stevenson on a traditional pitch out, but they
were going to come back the other way on like
almost like a trap to do Mario Douglas. And the

(27:57):
timing was off. But the fumble, like I just can't
do that. Can't fumble there.

Speaker 8 (28:02):
You know.

Speaker 4 (28:03):
And I watched that play over and to me, it
looked like Hunter Henry flashed in front of him and
that screwed him up, like he saw the player and
it's like, oh yeah, and then screwed up.

Speaker 6 (28:12):
All right.

Speaker 3 (28:15):
We saw an early snap by Cole Strange in his
first game. He snapped the ball over the tackles weren't ready.
That just again, it just looks bad. It looks really bad. Paul,
you mentioned his name, Fred, I'm gonna ask.

Speaker 4 (28:27):
You Strange played the whole game by that way.

Speaker 2 (28:31):
Pregame reports were that didn't play any snaps.

Speaker 3 (28:34):
Gerardmeo did a pregame interview with Scott Zolac like he
does every week on the radio for ninety eight five,
and he said that Gibby's going to start today and
rimondre Stevens.

Speaker 4 (28:43):
So what's going to start?

Speaker 2 (28:44):
Gibbie?

Speaker 4 (28:44):
What's the Gibbie?

Speaker 3 (28:45):
Oh, Gibbison, Gibson, Gibby's gonna start?

Speaker 4 (28:48):
And he didn't and he didn't, Yeah much ado about
nothing or I know. I mean, if your head coach
before the game, minutes before the game says one player
is going to start and he doesn't start, what the
hell is going on with that?

Speaker 8 (29:00):
Yep?

Speaker 2 (29:01):
So can I just ask we didn't get the memo?
Can I ask you the timing of the interview as
someone who's uhl Solac Usually I could say this because
Zolac comes by my office.

Speaker 3 (29:11):
He usually drops today again it's today, though, says Hi,
you know, and he's waiting for sta sheets at Frank time.
That interview has done sometime between ten thirty and eleven.

Speaker 2 (29:18):
So it's not like that the interview took place like Friday.

Speaker 4 (29:21):
Afternoon, ninety minutes before the game, right.

Speaker 2 (29:23):
Yeah, So there's nothing that happened to Gibson. No in
the meantime.

Speaker 4 (29:26):
I mean Gibson was in no I know, I know,
but like you know, maybe was late something right, it
could be something, but it was weird. It was weird.

Speaker 3 (29:35):
That's odd.

Speaker 2 (29:36):
It's very odd to me.

Speaker 4 (29:37):
I agree with me too.

Speaker 3 (29:39):
Can I call out one other play, Matt and I Mike,
you can do whatever you'd like.

Speaker 5 (29:42):
I hesitate to put Hunter Henry on the down list,
but just to come out in half time in the
very first play of the third quarter to draw a
holding penalty, like it just carried over all the like
negativity from the first half. And I don't want to
kill Hunter Henry because he's been.

Speaker 2 (29:56):
He's probably been their best player.

Speaker 3 (29:58):
It's been their best as player.

Speaker 5 (30:00):
But it's just they have a knack for just horribly
time penalties when you know the team is kind of
hanging on the ropes and they need to stack a
few plays together to get going.

Speaker 2 (30:10):
Somebody they had any sniff of getting back in they needed.

Speaker 4 (30:13):
When you're a bad team and every possession is precious,
there's no good time for a penalty. That's true.

Speaker 2 (30:19):
There is.

Speaker 4 (30:19):
They all seem bad because every every drive is precious
to this team. They can't afford anything.

Speaker 2 (30:26):
I got a good look at that was not another
Husky special.

Speaker 5 (30:28):
I didn't get a good look at it either. That's
why I don't want to kill Hunter Henry for it.
I didn't get a good look at.

Speaker 3 (30:34):
So but Mike, I'll just I wrote down this, So
kudos to you for picking out on the player and
starting it right out of the shoot three and out.
That to me, and certainly the penalty doesn't help. But
you've got a little bit maybe a sniff of momentum,
you know, by scoring and you get the ball back,
you've held them to a field goal to go into

(30:54):
the locker room and you go three and out. It's
just I mean, yeah, I mean that's what bad teams do.
And they're a bad team.

Speaker 5 (31:00):
Yeah, it's it's not quite as bad as when you know,
you have your opening script and you spend all week
on you know, whatever the opening set of plays is
that you really feel good about that, you think you
can get their defense on and you know, so it's
always really disappointing.

Speaker 4 (31:12):
You have you have opening half scripts too.

Speaker 8 (31:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (31:14):
Well and that's right, Well, that was my next point.
You know that that was a play that they're talking
about like, hey, this is gonna be a drive starter
for us.

Speaker 4 (31:20):
Let's you know, get get what was it?

Speaker 5 (31:22):
Render in space and holy penalty? And so it's just
back to zero.

Speaker 4 (31:27):
But you know, I go back to where I started.
It is what it is. It is what it is.
I'm not losing sleep over this. I'm you know, they
got pasted by a better team. We stink and we
need to make a lot of changes in the offseason.

Speaker 5 (31:44):
I just think it's the realization of I mean, we
spent all off season like basically boiling it down to
argue like.

Speaker 2 (31:50):
Can they be average?

Speaker 5 (31:51):
Can they get to average? Cause they get to six
seven wins, you know, And it's it's games like this
that just reinforced this year.

Speaker 4 (31:57):
Yeah, well you're not bad.

Speaker 5 (31:58):
But you're one of the worst teams in the league,
if not the worst team in the league. You know,
That's what I think. For me, it's it's the six wins.
I think they get six wins, you know, seven maybe
like like a little spunk down.

Speaker 4 (32:09):
You can't you can't be you can't be bemoaning how
bad this roster is all year and then say, well,
can they get to middling?

Speaker 5 (32:17):
Oh yeah, no, I don't know, you know, all summer
long when we're in you know, just at least fooling
yourself into believing like if it all went right, what
could what could you kind of put together.

Speaker 10 (32:33):
Right?

Speaker 5 (32:33):
And so you know, that's that's what that's what I'm
talking about. It's the realization that, like you're not even
close to six wins, you're closer to one win.

Speaker 2 (32:40):
So I would say, like in this again, people are gonna,
you know, think I'm beating up on the Chargers. But
I think that's what was was alarming to me because
I don't really envision like if this was Buffalo last
week and that they did this, I wouldn't you would
have expect it on the road tough, I don't. I
don't look at the Chargers the same way. It's the
one off team. I don't think they're all that good now.

(33:02):
I think they're well coached, and I think their quarterback
is really good, and they're getting there. They're getting better.
They got a rookie receiver that's that's really giving them
a lot of life. But to be that far behind
what I would envision to be sort of a playoff
team but no real contender Baltimore, Kansas City, Buffalo, you

(33:23):
lose like that too. That shows you how far you
have to go to be a contender. This is showing
me how far they have to go just to be relevant, right,
And I.

Speaker 3 (33:32):
Think what's disturbing about the whole thing? And I go
back to what I think most reasonable Patriot fans thought
of at the beginning of the year. The roster's tough,
they've got a new administration in place. Can they get
to a point at the end of the year where
they're trending upward and there you see signs of improvement.
Not only do you see no signs of improvement. And
I think that's an indictment on everybody. Yes, the roster's poor,

(33:56):
but nobody looks like they're improving. And they're gonna limp
to the finish line at best. Who knows what the
game that could be a glorified preseason game next week
if Buffalo's got nothing to play for, gonna be very
hard to evaluate that.

Speaker 4 (34:07):
If that happened, here's the thing about what you're saying.
We need to believe our eyes. If what you were
saying happened, they started getting better and they started improving, well,
then you'd be saying, you know, this roster is not
that bad after all, Maybe they just got something I
just needed to be coached up, and there's some talent here.

Speaker 2 (34:26):
See. I would look at it as the way that
Matt said it. The coaches are doing a great job
because I know how limited the talent is. Yeah, I
saw it last year.

Speaker 11 (34:35):
Yea.

Speaker 2 (34:35):
So now I would be saying, these guys are doing
a great job. They're maximizing what they have right, which
I think is what Harball is doing right now in Hell.

Speaker 4 (34:44):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (34:45):
Not to try to make this all about Jim Harball.
Why didn't we hire I plays a good coach, a
seasoned Yeah. Your point about their plan going in, I
think it was. It was alarming.

Speaker 4 (34:55):
We talked about Belichick in the pad. Well, Belichick against
a rookie quarterback, you know, yep, it's the same thing.

Speaker 8 (35:01):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (35:01):
All right. To close this one out from an injury standpoint,
May got hurt. That was a big one. He came
back in. Still not a great sign to see him
go out and have you know, something happened above the shoulders.
That's not great. Gonzales goes out, same sort of a thing.
He'll be watched and who knows. I would say you,
you'd probably want to be as careful with him as
possible and maybe shut him down for next week. Is

(35:22):
that fear to say?

Speaker 6 (35:23):
Sure?

Speaker 8 (35:24):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (35:25):
Okay, I would do the same thing with with may
Is if he's out of protocol, if he clears, or
to call he plays if he doesn't, obviously he doesn't.

Speaker 3 (35:33):
Okay, did I miss anybody else? Key on white thing?

Speaker 2 (35:37):
But he did come back in? Did a quality come
back in?

Speaker 5 (35:39):
Didn't notice if a quality came back.

Speaker 2 (35:41):
In, quality definitely appeared to hurt his shoulder.

Speaker 4 (35:45):
They didn't do only kidding.

Speaker 2 (35:47):
And I don't remember if he came back in at
that point. It was kind of garbage time anyway.

Speaker 3 (35:51):
Another one, And I know you guys don't get a
chance to listen to the TV, but I'm I'm I'm
bullish on Tucker and Chris Rose. And when a quality
went out, Tucker said, he goes, look, I watched the tape.
He goes, I'll tell you what a quality is. Their
best interior defensive lineman. I heard him say that he's
played as well as anybody on the defensive line. They
haven't played great this year, but a Kuala has been
the one guy. At least when I watch him, he

(36:12):
looks like the most consistent player on the defensive line.
That perked my ears up.

Speaker 4 (36:16):
Now I like Tucker. I think he did a good
job today and he did a good job two weeks
ago in Arizona when he.

Speaker 8 (36:21):
Did the guy.

Speaker 4 (36:22):
He tells the truth. He's honest, he tells the truth.
He's not afraid.

Speaker 3 (36:25):
He's not afraid.

Speaker 4 (36:26):
He's not afraid. Yep.

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Speaker 3 (42:21):
Welcome back to Jillette Stadium in Foxboro, Massachusetts, where the
Patriots and the Penultimates Game of the Year lose badly
to the Los Angeles Chargers forty to seven three. And
let me see if I can do the math three
and thirteen on the year. Correct.

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You've got three on the air.

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(42:58):
I still think may It deserves another year. But watching
Mconkie toast us while Pope played one snap and wasn't
a factor was hard to stomach. How do we get
fred in the draft room this year to tell Elliott
which wide receivers can actually play football? Matt from Orange
County with that.

Speaker 2 (43:11):
One, Matt, we're already on that last part. Evan threw
the gauntlet down to Freddy during the game. Yep, it's
up to Freddy to find us.

Speaker 4 (43:18):
I haven't research.

Speaker 5 (43:19):
Oh man, It's like I can just picture the shot.
It's like a slow motion pan of like Elliott Wolf
and you know everybody's like looking to their right, and
then you just see fred sitting there with like a
mustard stand like him that one how much just a
silent nod approval.

Speaker 4 (43:34):
He takes me ball, You've got my mouth.

Speaker 2 (43:39):
Find the strangest name that you can on the board
and pick him in the third round.

Speaker 3 (43:44):
Be mad at Elliott Wolf, says Alex, who wants to
come to mail with the coaching staff's defense just a
little bit. I certainly agree there have been silver coaching
mistakes and miscues this season, But with the roster that's
out there every week, what are people expecting to happen?
I'm fred this is what happens when you ignore a
glaring need to left tackle. This is what happens when
you try to be smart and draft Jalen polkinstead of
Lad mcconaukeey, who tore the defense apart today. This is

(44:06):
what happens when you have no edge rushers and no
off the ball linebackers. If fans want somebody to be
mad at, be mad at Elliott Wolf. That is from Alex,
who emails and let's.

Speaker 2 (44:17):
Go why it only has to be one person? If
you're a fan, why do I have to pick one guy?
I mean, I'm not happy with anything I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (44:23):
Supposedly he said in the off season, then he gets
the final say on everything.

Speaker 2 (44:27):
Oh no, I'm saying. If I'm a fan, why do
we have to pick one guy to be mad at
Elliott Wolf? I think it's certainly in play for the criticism,
just like Gerrod Mayo's getting I'm not saying that, but
like who's doing well? Who are you happy with?

Speaker 17 (44:42):
Right?

Speaker 5 (44:43):
And that's why you can just go round and around
where you can say it's the guy picking the wrong players,
it's the guy not developing the players, the guy not
getting extra out of it.

Speaker 4 (44:50):
That's where again, not having the information really puts us
at a disadvantage. It could be everybody, but or it
could be a couple things that are just killing him,
like what.

Speaker 2 (45:02):
Like what with what they have?

Speaker 8 (45:05):
It was?

Speaker 2 (45:05):
He's very easy for me to say, are they getting
the most out of it?

Speaker 6 (45:09):
Are they?

Speaker 2 (45:09):
Are they doing things? Like one of the things that's
really annoying me is this sort of trends that they have, Mike,
the narratives that developed during the course of the week
that you and I love so much, they seem to
be affecting the decisions that get made the following week.
You know, why don't you run Drake may Boom, All

(45:30):
of a sudden, we get some zone runs for Drake
may in the next game, fourth fourth and six or whatever,
fourth and five from the down ten and the fourth
quarter you got to go for that. What do we
do today? We go for fourth and twelve from our own,
you know, forty five yard line and whatever it was.
It's like what they talk about and criticized during the
week gets addressed in the play, like have your your

(45:54):
your thoughts, your convictions and stick with them.

Speaker 18 (45:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (45:56):
You know, one thing I want to peeback on with you, Paul,
is that you know this offseason, whoever does go. I mean,
I assume somebody's gonna go. People are gonna go, like
we're gonna just point at that person and say.

Speaker 2 (46:06):
Oh, it was just it was that guy's fault.

Speaker 5 (46:08):
That's the problem, right, Like, oh, so this guy's staying,
so he must have been okay behind the scenes. But
it's just, you know, we don't know.

Speaker 3 (46:14):
It's hard well, and I think the there's a fear
there that who's gonna get scapegoated? Yeah, you know, right,
and it's three and fourteen changes and we don't.

Speaker 4 (46:23):
Know is it scapegoating or is it is it legit
or is it legit?

Speaker 7 (46:26):
We don't know.

Speaker 2 (46:27):
Well, there's no way at three and fourteen you can
just run it back and just so everybody, everybody's a
good job. So we all don't have a second chance.

Speaker 3 (46:35):
One more on this cluster to just round out. This
is from Craig and Central Mass. Is this a calamity
yet based on rap reports pre game. Hopefully Ian's source
can clarify. Thanks Craig in Central Mass.

Speaker 4 (46:46):
Great question board had the report today that he's had
the last three weeks, which is, you know, he's coming
back unless something bad happened doesn't come back, right, you know, Like, yeah,
so what what define What is the definition of calamity
in this context?

Speaker 3 (47:02):
I have no idea, so today calamitist.

Speaker 4 (47:05):
Guess in my opinion, No, See.

Speaker 3 (47:07):
That's where it's interesting. You don't think today was calamity.

Speaker 4 (47:09):
I think this is a continuation of everything alamitous would
have been fist fights on the sideline and and somebody
gets hit in the head with it, you know, like
that's calamitous.

Speaker 2 (47:23):
And I do not know obviously, Like you keep saying that,
this is where it's hard when you don't have the information.
My guess is that's what they or defining calamitis as
like just open disrespect, insubordination in the locker room and
that kind of stuff, fistfights or whatever. You know, guys
just decided they're not playing you know, Antonio Brown, you

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know what I mean? Like, that's what I think that
they're calling calamitous because this performance, as Matt I think
Astutey pointed out at the beginning of the show, is
not an outlier. It's about the fifth or sixth time
that they've lost like that this year. So if they
went into this game saying, unless something calamitous happens, I

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don't think they're talking about the performance. No, I think
they're talking about something far greater than that. Whoever that
they is that Ian Rappaport is getting his information from.

Speaker 3 (48:17):
Is it possible one of my new found and it's
not new favorite phrases, that both can be right? Is
it possible that a calamity is defined by fist fights
on the sidelines, gatorade bottles being thrown, punch is in
the locker room? And might I say a piss poor
performance on the field? Can both things be calamitous?

Speaker 2 (48:36):
Well?

Speaker 4 (48:37):
But no, okay, no, not no, not this year. Poor
performance in the field is what's happened all year, Okay,
levels of.

Speaker 2 (48:46):
That's kind of my point. Today. Wasn't an outlier right
in terms of on field performance?

Speaker 8 (48:49):
Ye?

Speaker 15 (48:50):
Right?

Speaker 2 (48:50):
Yet?

Speaker 4 (48:51):
Wasn't.

Speaker 3 (48:51):
And you guys, you guys have a good finger on
the pulse on Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday. Was there an
expectation nobody believes that the Chargers are world beaters. They're
coming across the coast, maybe the weather's going to be
a little bit different, indoor team playing outdoors, that they
can build a little something off the Buffalo game and
maybe stay within two scores.

Speaker 2 (49:11):
Was there any more of an expectation of that today
than there was coming out of the by and play
in Arizona?

Speaker 3 (49:15):
Well, I mean again and then right, so.

Speaker 4 (49:19):
Arizona's let's put it this way, and there's a record
of this. We do our picks, yep, either I'm picking
them to win or cover. I didn't this week, and
I didn't know, didn't You didn't?

Speaker 3 (49:31):
I didn't.

Speaker 2 (49:32):
And you've generally picked the Patriots to cover at least.

Speaker 3 (49:35):
Right, uh eight five five patch five hundred the number
DeShawn has been with us the longest. Let's go to
DeShawn first. You are first in the Patriots post game show.
Can I get this to work?

Speaker 8 (49:44):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (49:45):
I can?

Speaker 3 (49:45):
Yes I can. Deshaan, You're first of the Patriots post
game show. Brought you by DraftKings Hija shan asan guys,
how are you doing to shun hey hi?

Speaker 2 (49:55):
Yup?

Speaker 8 (49:56):
Yes, Uh.

Speaker 17 (49:58):
I don't unerstand why people just can't really see what
what for what it is. I mean when President asked
that question about reason why the pictures can't why have
the performance God's is on versus justin Herbert this this game.
What if you aren't understanding, is that the roster is
extremely bad. So it's hard for the next to sustainable

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good center of performances.

Speaker 4 (50:20):
Yep.

Speaker 17 (50:21):
So like when you look at it weekend and week out,
it's either that I didn't eat the breaks beat off
of them or they can have a good game. Uh
it's still lose. Yeah, so so so you look at it,
it's like I'm thinking to myself, like, man, they really
need to seek something like outside scouting or consultancy do
for this this? Uh great, great talent because right now

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I don't think the guys know what they're doing, and
it's gonna get worse. And then I just crowd will
make a decision quickly to pass probably get rid of
drawn mail because I don't think he's got the right
for the job.

Speaker 19 (50:52):
I did.

Speaker 17 (50:52):
They're gonna mess up everything down in the run down
the long run when it comes to try to build
a team back up.

Speaker 8 (50:58):
That's just my take on it.

Speaker 3 (50:59):
Thank you De Shan.

Speaker 4 (51:00):
I mean, you know, the point he makes is a
good one. You know, when you're a bad team, it's
hard to string good performances together. For this team, it's
hard to string good drives together, whether on defense.

Speaker 2 (51:11):
Because the Buffalo game last week, I think everybody just
sort of focused on you.

Speaker 4 (51:16):
Had a good first tap, yeah, then you fell apart.

Speaker 2 (51:18):
He had a good first two drives.

Speaker 4 (51:19):
Yeah, Okay, that was it.

Speaker 2 (51:21):
Yeah, they didn't do anything offensively until there was a
minute thirteen left in the game.

Speaker 4 (51:24):
After that, but they went into the locker room with
the lead. You know what's the last time they did it?

Speaker 2 (51:30):
Went into locker room with the lead, but they had
lost control of the game already.

Speaker 3 (51:33):
Yeah, here's one. We've been talking about this a little
bit off and on for the last couple of weeks.
How would you, uh, what would you say the Carolina
Panthers are?

Speaker 2 (51:41):
Is that a bad team? Yep?

Speaker 3 (51:43):
Okay, have they been playing plucky a little bit?

Speaker 2 (51:46):
For the most part?

Speaker 3 (51:47):
Bad team?

Speaker 2 (51:47):
I think for the most part they've been They've been,
they've been competitive for them, I think.

Speaker 4 (51:52):
I think that's a really good point, Matt. If that
was what was going on here, I think we would
be talking a little, we'd be talking different.

Speaker 3 (52:01):
Isn't great? Isn't Carolina's roster it's I'm sure it's better
than the Patriots.

Speaker 2 (52:04):
The competitive game for the Patriots last week against Buffalo,
to me is the outlier. Yeah, that's the game that
they got blasted. The Panthers got blasted recently against Dallas
was the outlier. All their other games they've been in
over the last six seven games have been very close.
If they haven't won, they think. I think they're like
three and four in their last seven, and they took
Kansas City to Kansas City Tampa in overtime. Like they've

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had some really close games.

Speaker 4 (52:30):
There's this demonstrable reason for hope in Carolina. You know,
they benched a quarterback, he came back, he's starting to
play better. They're they're competitive and.

Speaker 2 (52:39):
Game coach who seems like he's getting better.

Speaker 4 (52:42):
So it's it's different there.

Speaker 3 (52:45):
Where is their hope here?

Speaker 4 (52:46):
Fred, There isn't right now?

Speaker 11 (52:48):
Ok.

Speaker 4 (52:48):
Just except for Drake May and Gonzales, And I.

Speaker 3 (52:51):
Think May took a big step back this week.

Speaker 4 (52:53):
Yeah he did. He got bested by a better coach.

Speaker 2 (52:57):
But but again, I think it was a continuation of
the last three quarters last week that people didn't really
remember because he was so good in the first two drives.

Speaker 3 (53:06):
Mike wants to know, and this is a fun game.
I enjoy the game, so we'll played here. The roster
is really bad as you look next season, who are
the four offensive players and who are the four defensive
players you would pick to keep and build around the
boss man can go first?

Speaker 4 (53:24):
Well, offensive, I guess I'm I'm obviously may I'm sticking
with a when you because you know who knows I'd
stay with Hooper, I keep, I keep Henry, you know,
and there's probably one or two more I would. I
would keep defense defense, obviously. You know you're hoping Barmore

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comes back healthy. Gonzales you're keeping. You know, there's a
lot of guys that keep, but not to be starters,
like you know, I'll keep Tavi, but he's not on
the field to start the game anymore.

Speaker 3 (53:59):
You know, they've got a team of role players who
were playing out a position.

Speaker 4 (54:02):
Yeah, I mean they need to all be upgraded. I'm
trying to think anyone else I think, I mean, all
the safeties right now can go.

Speaker 2 (54:11):
I mean, no, you're kind of answering the question with
your your hesitation. I mean, I don't know why we
have to pick four, but the fact of the matter
is they.

Speaker 8 (54:20):
Do not have.

Speaker 2 (54:22):
Enough players side of the ball. I think that the
exercise is that I think he's trying to show like
you'd have a hard time picking four.

Speaker 3 (54:30):
We did it on All Access two weeks ago. We said,
if there's an expansion team coming in and you had
an expansion draft, you can protect five players. We struggled
to get to five on both sides of the ball.
Marcus Jones made it.

Speaker 2 (54:41):
But I mean I picked Marcus Jones only because he's
a great hunt returner, right and I just think he's
one of the five best players on the team.

Speaker 8 (54:47):
Right.

Speaker 3 (54:47):
No, but who's five six? You know, I just one
hundred and fifty pounds.

Speaker 5 (54:52):
People throw these exercises at you to be like see
how much they stink, and it's like I get it.
But at the same time, you add some talented pieces
like guys like to Buy, guys like Godshaw, guys like
key On White who may not be keepers play better,
play well enough, but they just they don't have the
high est pun to pull some of.

Speaker 2 (55:08):
Them to your point, you know, Mike, right, So let's
do it with the Chargers who just put forty on
the board, right, Herbert, Fred's.

Speaker 3 (55:17):
Guy, Lad McConkie.

Speaker 2 (55:20):
Joe is you know, probably Joe, Probably Joe, probably Joe
alten Slater.

Speaker 5 (55:25):
That's probably your four Zion Johnson, who's.

Speaker 2 (55:28):
Kind of been a disappointment. So to Fred's points, Robbins,
Dobbins isn't any better than reminder Stevenson, He's not all right.
They're just kind of running backs. I think a lot
of people would tell you Stevenson's better had I don't
really like. I don't think that every team has to
have eleven guys that are like the answer on offense.

(55:49):
Like if you have the quarterback and you have a
couple of weapons, they need some weapons. Patris don't have any.

Speaker 3 (55:54):
Cowmy is impressed with Herbert after watching him for a
good portion today, Like I didn't. I didn't know that
he had that in him. And again the opponent is, do.

Speaker 2 (56:02):
You know he's still feel like the most geography history.

Speaker 3 (56:06):
I haven't seen him play. I haven't seen him play.
I saw him play today. He looked good in a
lot of different places. Drop back run, the off platform throws.
He's a good quarter. He's a good quarter and he's
been a good I know.

Speaker 5 (56:19):
He's only got three interceptions this year, and it just
shows when you don't get any pressure on him's gonna
pick you up.

Speaker 2 (56:24):
Fred. This is why you and I have a feel
for the We watched the we watched the league.

Speaker 3 (56:31):
Right, you get it, Finlay in Dundee, Scotland rights. I
was firmly in the keep mail camp, but losing like
this to a mediocre Chargers team is inexcusable, especially at home.
It's hard to say what's developed the season. Yes, you
found a franchise quarterback in Gonzalez, looks to be a
top player. But outside of that, this roster is literally nothing.
Several players were paid and they've all regressed or stagnated.

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All I can say is, thank god, there's only one
more game left this season. Good luck to the Crafts
who have a significant amount of work sorting this mess
out after the Bills game. Fairly fair emailer there.

Speaker 4 (57:02):
I would have to say, I mean, you know, and
this is you know, I've had this conversation with several
people this week, and this is this is the tough
part for me and for us when we're talking and
evaluating the team. Tom Curran recently said this team needs
a football zar, someone that oversees everything football. Now you

(57:23):
may disagree or agree with that, but at the end
of the day, somebody at the end of this season
has to be making hard decisions. Should Gerard Mayo stay
or go? Should Elliott Wolf stay or go? Name two
people who's making that decision right now, right now, it's
going to be the Crafts. Right So if it is
the Crafts, then that means in order for them to

(57:45):
make that decision, they would have to be involved in
seeing these meetings and hearing what's going on and being
in practice. They're not. So how are they making that
decision by just watching what we watch? I mean, I
don't know. I'm assuming they go down during the week
and they ask questions and everything like that. But DeMarcus

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Covington isn't gonna tell me I need to go, you know. So,
like it's gonna be tough on the Crafts to make
these decisions if they are the ones making the decision. Otherwise,
Elliott Wolf says he's got final say. Well, who's got
the final say over Elliott Wolf? It's a tough predicament.
And I understand where Current's coming from when he says

(58:26):
that people have talked to said, no, that's stupid. You're
just adding another layer. But there has to be someone
who has really final say over the whole operation.

Speaker 5 (58:38):
But do you think, like if they just hired a
GM and gave them the person the GM title, that
that could be your footballs are It's just you're coming
up with all these different names for people to try
to keep people in the job.

Speaker 4 (58:48):
But does that person exist in the building right now?

Speaker 3 (58:51):
Well maybe not.

Speaker 5 (58:52):
Maybe that's what that's part of the problem, is that
you're trying to skirt around naming an actual GM or
giving another head coach full power. And like it's just
at a certain point, you got all these people with
all the different power, and you're getting all different relationships
and structures, and now we are more complicated.

Speaker 4 (59:07):
Like I can't stress enough how critical a juncture we
are with disfranchise. We've got a quarterback who we think
is the future and nothing else.

Speaker 5 (59:18):
Yeah, now I know, and that's I just I don't
think they can operate from that that point of like,
well we've got a huge box check, Like I don't like, Yes,
Drake may is good, but we said it in the
pregame show, like Herbert's good. And they're still trying to
figure out. They're trying to they're trying to get out
of the hump of being that, you know, second tier AFC.

(59:38):
I don't I apologize, put some respect on his name.

Speaker 3 (59:42):
I apologize. I have not watched her.

Speaker 4 (59:44):
If we screw up this offseason, we're in.

Speaker 2 (59:48):
So we're so I kind of agree with with Mike.
I think Elliott wolf is your footballs are Like they
put it in the press release that he is final saying.

Speaker 4 (59:58):
So I don't say of what the roster right right,
But what about the.

Speaker 3 (01:00:03):
Coaches coaching staff? Who's final?

Speaker 4 (01:00:06):
Who was saying who was saying a v P you
did a good job, you're staying.

Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
So do you think other teams that's the way? I mean,
this is a question, not a snark. Is that what
other teams do? I think they have they have a
football zar who decides that the defensive coordinator didn't do
the job. I think every team is structured different because
I feel like the way that happens around the league
is either there's a differenceive opinion among from the head
coach down, which I think is kind of what happened

(01:00:30):
in my Miami with Vic Fangio. I think there was
sort of a clash between philosophies between McDaniel and Vic Fangio,
and that's why he left.

Speaker 4 (01:00:39):
He was out.

Speaker 2 (01:00:40):
I think what also can happen is I think what
happened in Philadelphia.

Speaker 4 (01:00:44):
Oh, Robinson and Frabel in Tennessee, they had clash and
Rabel won, and I assume somebody over both of them
decided who wins this battle.

Speaker 3 (01:00:57):
They sided, The owner sided with Rabel. I don't get it,
hired a GM and Carthon. Carthon came in, sidled up
to the owner and said this guy isn't cutting it,
and then the owner sided with Carthon and whacked Rabel.

Speaker 2 (01:01:09):
So that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about
you got to make changes on your coaching staff. Okay,
So I think what the other way it happens isn't
like in Philadelphia where the owner goes to Nick Siriani
and says, I don't care what you do, but you
got to make changes that wasn't good enough, and they
have a new offensive end defensive coordinator this year. My
guess is that's what's going to happ up in here. Well,

(01:01:31):
and that's my guest.

Speaker 4 (01:01:33):
Do I know that?

Speaker 2 (01:01:33):
Absolutely not, no idea.

Speaker 3 (01:01:35):
Let's turn the question to Fred. You know, do the
Crafts want to sit there and say we're gonna we're
gonna independently go in and say that, or do they
go to girod first? How would you review the year
and what kind of changes do you want to make?
And let let Girard say I want to see something
else here. I want to see something else here, and
unless he does, if he doesn't say the right things,

(01:01:56):
that's maybe where our ownership has to get involved and say.

Speaker 4 (01:01:59):
Yeah, And I think that's how it will unf probably,
But what I worry about is how do they know
if he's saying the right things? What information do they have?

Speaker 8 (01:02:08):
You know?

Speaker 2 (01:02:08):
Well, he'd have to convince them that all these guys
deserve a second chance.

Speaker 7 (01:02:13):
And is.

Speaker 5 (01:02:16):
And is Girameo ready to evaluate what kind of job
AVP did on offense? I mean a self admitted guy
who I don't really know offense all that Well, he's
the coach of the offense.

Speaker 2 (01:02:25):
So so they asked me about my chin wag and
the other station, does Drake Mays sort of go for
bat for Alex Van Pelt? Should that weigh in on it?
I personally think no, not.

Speaker 4 (01:02:35):
What else is he gonna say? Right?

Speaker 3 (01:02:36):
Exactly got to have his back, you know. All right,
let's go to let me just see who's been waiting
the longest. Let's go to CM in West Virginia. Sam,
You're next on the Patriots postgame show, and that's presented
by Draft Kingshi.

Speaker 20 (01:02:49):
Sam, Hey, guys, how are you doing today?

Speaker 3 (01:02:51):
How are you?

Speaker 8 (01:02:53):
I'm doing well.

Speaker 20 (01:02:54):
The first and foremost well, thank you all for letting
me call in my first call in, and on the
calamity aspect of its being turned around of time. In
my personal opinion, I think today's game was abysmal and grotesque.
And I'll even go as far to say I'm hoping

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this offseason next next week after the Bills game, or
that there's some old school Major league the movie t
deal where there's red cards on who's going to be
a Patriot going into the off season. I know you
can't do that, but I mean, I'm really looking at
this season. From the standpoint I have now looking back,

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as this was kind of a preseason who's gonna make
the roster for next year? I feel like this is
all just trial, and I don't think that there was
any plan going into the day's game based on what
I saw in the field.

Speaker 3 (01:03:52):
Thanks for the call, Siam, And there's some merit to
what he says was twenty twenty four determined by all
the decision makers. We know we're gonna stink. Let's see
what we got curshes in two shows out, We'll figure
it out, and we're gonna play for twenty twenty five.
Could that be a part of the plan and they're
gonna punt the season away?

Speaker 5 (01:04:11):
I mean, look, we did that in twenty twenty. Like
it's just you're burning your second season in like four years.

Speaker 3 (01:04:16):
Like I just that doesn't seem that makes any something
that ownership would be signing up for I make any
sense to forget about like they not only retained so
many of their own free agents, but then they extended
other guys that weren't up.

Speaker 2 (01:04:35):
So does that make sense that I'm identifying? I mean, Mike,
you have the numbers, you have your spreadsheet with the
roster upwards of fifteen guys. You went out of your way.
You didn't have to, you went out of your way
to make sure these guys are going to be here
next year.

Speaker 8 (01:04:48):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:04:49):
And you punted on the season. You just wanted to
see what you had, no right.

Speaker 17 (01:04:54):
No.

Speaker 4 (01:04:55):
I think what they were trying to do is establish culture,
you know, established guys.

Speaker 2 (01:05:01):
They were familiar.

Speaker 4 (01:05:02):
Who are my locker room guys, Who's going to be
my leaders? Let's reward them, let's incentivize them. And it
didn't work, So it was the next step. A lot
of them got hurt, right, is the next step on
that Fred we misevaluated on X. We thought he was
going to be one of our team core guys.

Speaker 3 (01:05:17):
He's not out. Let's keep going down.

Speaker 2 (01:05:19):
The list that could happen.

Speaker 4 (01:05:20):
Yeah, yeah, you know, but I think they went into
the season hoping for the best, hoping that they'd get
May out in the field eventually, and he shows signs
of the few sure and that you know, things would
be okay. Yeah, you know.

Speaker 5 (01:05:36):
The question I keep coming back to is what what's
reasonable to expect from Jirameoh never coached the team before,
Like you know, like that's just I don't know why
I didn't like trying to try to establish that baseline
and my head, like, what was acceptable the guy's never
coached a football team, like at any level? What's acceptable? Like,
what do you need to see from him this year
as a guy who's never coached.

Speaker 3 (01:05:53):
Much reasonable to expect too much to expect that the
team would have an identity?

Speaker 5 (01:05:58):
And that's that's a great question. I think that like, and.

Speaker 2 (01:06:01):
I don't think that's too much to expect, And I
don't think it's too much to expect they don't. It's hard.

Speaker 4 (01:06:07):
It's again, it's hard to establish an identity when the
coach himself doesn't have one. At least if he had
been a coordinator, his defense or his offense would have
had an identity. And because because of that success he
became a head coach, you know, he had none, none

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of that. He had no identity coming in except or
we were told he was a little bill. He's a
student of the game, you know, he loved to study film,
connects with people, and he's a leader of men. But
that came more from two years at Optum than anything else.
So it wasn't fair to anyone.

Speaker 3 (01:06:46):
And then surrounding him with other people that weren't in
those jobs as well, exactly a rookie defensive coordinator, a
rookie offensive coreator, and play car like that's a tough
combination to expect success a.

Speaker 4 (01:07:02):
Guy who a guy who's never been ahead line coach before.

Speaker 2 (01:07:07):
You know, I'll tell you something that I never would
have envisioned. And when you go back in the off
season shows on Patriots Unfiltered, and there's a million different
things people call in, like what if X, Y and
Z happens? What would you say? And Fred and I
we always say, I kind of need to see how
it unfolds first. But I never ever would have envisioned
feeling this good in this sort of promising about the

(01:07:31):
quarterback and be in this situation. I never would have
envisioned being three and thirteen and having the quarterback sort
of definitively answered the question is your guy going forward?

Speaker 21 (01:07:42):
Right?

Speaker 4 (01:07:42):
Because we said in that scenario, Boyle.

Speaker 2 (01:07:45):
You're gonna win more than three games if that happens.

Speaker 4 (01:07:47):
Right, and if you don't, then he's probably contributing to
the losses.

Speaker 2 (01:07:50):
And I never would have envisioned feeling as good as
I do about May but yet I don't feel any
better about the big pitch.

Speaker 4 (01:07:56):
To be fair, he did contribute to some of the
losses he did with all the turnal question he did,
but you're hoping that he corrects that next year.

Speaker 5 (01:08:02):
It's like, but the thing with Mayo though, is, like
you said, like he's a leader of men. It's like, well,
what makes a great football coach? And like I just
go back, does he have the answers to the test?
I mean, I think that's like the if you're gonna
be a good coach, you're gonna tell the players what's
gonna happen before it's gonna happen, or you're gonna identify
what we need to do to win games. And how
do you know if a coach has that unless they've
demonstrated it before. It's you can't just take a guy

(01:08:25):
that seems like a leader of men and you know,
seems like he has a good understanding of the game
and then expect that he's going to step into a
coaching position and be able to decipher what opponents are
doing to them, translate it for his players, and then
motivate them and to be able to execute against what
they're going to try to do, and it's just it's
really hard to understand that as we haven't seen it before.

Speaker 3 (01:08:44):
Let me play Devil's advocate with you. What if you
think you've identified the leader of men as your CEO
of the coaching staff, who doesn't need to have all
the answers of the test because his defensive coordinator has
the answers to the test on defense and his offensive
coordinator has the offense as the answers to the offense.
That hasn't happened. Ye, you know you surround a guy
like that, I go, it's by the old dadge I

(01:09:05):
go to.

Speaker 8 (01:09:05):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:09:05):
It's a great comp Larry Bird rookie coach for the
Indiana Pacers. His first hire was Dick Harder, who was
a defensive coordinator. He ran the defense for him. Old
school guy, much older than Bird. Girod doesn't have that
kind of support around him.

Speaker 4 (01:09:18):
I know that was I know that was a fear
among a lot of people here right from the get go,
that he doesn't have Mayo doesn't have the support. Yeah,
you know, but here's it. You know he's got support.
Is it the right is it the right support? You know,
here's another you know homework thing, and I know at
one point it was not a good record. But look

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at all the people that work for Bill that either
got promoted or left for a higher job, and how
many of them did well. I don't think a lot did.
And it's you can underestimate the whole that Belichick had
on everything, you know, and that all you really had

(01:10:01):
to do was listen to him and you do okay,
But without him there, it's been hard for a lot
of these guys. You know, you go down the list,
Josh McDaniels and you name them.

Speaker 5 (01:10:14):
Yeah, I just to get back to what you kind
of got back to me. I just I don't like it.

Speaker 4 (01:10:18):
I don't like it.

Speaker 5 (01:10:19):
I want the head coach to imprint absolutely, and that's
you know, And I watched you. I watched a little
of The Hard Knocks behind the scenes, and you know,
it's first time I'm goting to see Mike Tomlin and
how he talks to a team. And it's the same
kind of stuf if you saw from Bill, where he
watches film and he picks up what he picks up
and he says, these are the key things that we
have to stop. We have to be ready to counter this,
and I just wonder as a team does that work

(01:10:40):
with a CEO who's gonna just be the hype man.
You know, I'm gonna get everybody, let's go, we're getting
get home. But go to them to deal with the scheme.

Speaker 2 (01:10:46):
He should be he should be in charge of the defense.
And I'm not talking about calling plays and all that,
but these guys to the point that you guys are
making Matt and Fred. You know, Sean McVay immediately gets
Wade Phillips. That's when he when he was a young coach.
Offense is my side. I got the offense. I'm gonna
get an offensive coordinator. I'm gonna teach him. This is

(01:11:06):
what we're gonna do. Wade, You're gonna handle the defense.
That's what it should be. Right now. Alex van Pelt,
like I had no problem. A lot of people have
sort of been critical of Mayo using that term, like
Alex van Pelt is the head coach of offense.

Speaker 4 (01:11:18):
Yeah, I have no problem with that.

Speaker 2 (01:11:20):
No, I have no problem.

Speaker 3 (01:11:22):
Hasn't worked well.

Speaker 2 (01:11:23):
I just don't think they have the right guys yet
like to do what they want to do, whether it's
the receivers, the offensive line. There's a lot of shortcomings
all over the place. Then I think we can more
fairly evaluate the coaches a little bit better. But unfortunately,
it's a tough business, and I don't know if everybody's
going to get an opportunity to.

Speaker 4 (01:11:40):
Even veterans like Greg Roman offensive coordinator. He's like, Harbaugh
has him now, right or.

Speaker 11 (01:11:46):
What is it?

Speaker 9 (01:11:47):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:11:47):
Greg Roman's the Chargers offensive Harbaugh.

Speaker 4 (01:11:50):
Is a season coach and he even says, you know what,
why screw with it. I know this guy, I know
he's good. I'm taking him with me, right, Mike.

Speaker 3 (01:11:58):
I want to push back a little bit on Tomlin
and I have it. I watched a little bit of
Hard Knocks, which is very good, by the way, But
how many years has Tomlin been in that job? Okay,
we're talking double figures now, right. What kind of coach
do you think he was when he started there? I
think Mike Tomlin is the definition of a leader of men.
I think guys run through a wall for Mike Tomlin.

(01:12:18):
I don't know what kind of tactician he was when
he first started me was heau?

Speaker 4 (01:12:21):
I'm a joke? Remember him going out in the field
and running into a guy when he was on a
kick return or something.

Speaker 2 (01:12:27):
Like that, trying to trip him.

Speaker 3 (01:12:29):
But he's he's been because of the success that they've had,
he's been allowed to grow into that role, and now
I think he's better apt at seeing I'm going to
look at the Bengals and go, here's.

Speaker 4 (01:12:40):
What we got to do.

Speaker 3 (01:12:41):
We gotta take Chase.

Speaker 4 (01:12:42):
What did they always have in Pittsburgh? They had good coordinators? Yeah,
and they had a very strong GM.

Speaker 3 (01:12:47):
Very good person you know.

Speaker 5 (01:12:48):
Yeah, I think it's a fair point. I just wonder
if Jerameo was way behind where Mike Tomlin was.

Speaker 3 (01:12:54):
Maybe started well tom was Tomlin a coordinator before he
took the Pittsburgh I think he was. Yeah, Yeah, Dylan
in Michigan, you're up next to the Patriots postgame show
presented by DraftKings.

Speaker 22 (01:13:02):
Hi, Dylan, Hey, how's it going, guys?

Speaker 8 (01:13:05):
Good?

Speaker 3 (01:13:05):
How are you good?

Speaker 22 (01:13:07):
So there's yeah, that was obviously a bad performance by
the team each week when I've watched them play, seeing
the offensive line, I'm reminded about how Elliot Wolfs before
the season told us that there's no problem with the
offensive line even though you know, everybody else seeing it. Apparently,
besides him another point I wanted to make.

Speaker 17 (01:13:31):
I think.

Speaker 22 (01:13:33):
Offensively, we have a better roster than his on the offense,
and I think the defense is way underperforming, and I
think the offense is overperforming.

Speaker 2 (01:13:42):
For what they have.

Speaker 22 (01:13:44):
Yeah, I would just like to see what you guys
say about.

Speaker 3 (01:13:46):
That appreciation phone called Dylan And on the Elliott thing,
those comments from Elliott in August have not aged well.
I don't think Elliott said we were all set on
the offensive line. I think as he was trying to
bump up these guys and maybe that little confidence, he
probably over shared with that. And I said his comments
haven't aged very well. They don't look good, okay, But

(01:14:07):
I also think he was trying to bump up his
guys and try to make it seem like they were
better than they were. It hasn't worked out.

Speaker 2 (01:14:13):
I think the guys that he was talking about aren't here.

Speaker 3 (01:14:15):
They are cheek.

Speaker 2 (01:14:17):
That's on him. Yeah, but I would say that I
disagree with both those elements. I don't think the talent
on defense is any better than the talent on offense,
and I don't think the offense is overperformed.

Speaker 13 (01:14:27):
No.

Speaker 3 (01:14:27):
Colin and Seattle Washington asks how much stock do we
put into this SEMs apparent ineptitude when it comes to
stacking in quotation marks good performances. That to me is
the most glaring deficiency when he comes to this coaching staff.
There's no carryover following a somewhat promising performance. They failed
to put together two consecutive respectable performances a season. How
can they possibly move forward with the same leadership next season?

(01:14:50):
So Fred, this is Sean had this call earlier. So
they can't stack performances because they're not good enough to
stack performance, right, So that's my concern. As I said that,
and Fred is telling me and I the sage wisdom
of the great One here is saying all of those
comments and those questions and those emails have a maybe

(01:15:13):
not so thinly veiled rationale behind him. They are demanding change. Yes,
so their arguments are all tilted to get rid of everybody. Yes, okay, yes,
all right.

Speaker 5 (01:15:23):
I just don't think any of the performances have been
that good. I mean, a couple of games where you
had a good driver or two that doesn't qualify as
a good performance to me, that's just its regression team.

Speaker 2 (01:15:32):
Even like probably their best game of the year, was
Chicago right. Offensively, they weren't really that good in that game,
not at all. You know, defensively they were. They got
all over a rookie quarterback and made them look silly.
They snacked them nine times.

Speaker 3 (01:15:47):
But ten straight losses for the Bears.

Speaker 2 (01:15:51):
Yeah, I don't. I don't think it. I think even
the good performance is born't as good as people think.
Co conspirator that way.

Speaker 3 (01:15:57):
This is Sultan who is writing in I've been a
fan of your show since the start of the draft
with Drake Mayon followed through with each game. I want
to say that I haven't seen such a dysfunctional team
that is now cultivated into a calamity. There's the sea
word again. There's no accountability from Gerard Mayo, nothing from
Alex Vann Pelt. The defense was atrocious. The only thing
we could agree on is that Drake may is an
evolving quarterback. I like that description. By the way, there

(01:16:19):
needs to be some kind of change, and I hope
that Mayo goes and we hire Mike Raabel or someone
capable that can understand as a team we need to
go back to winning Super Bowls. How about let's win
games before we win Super Bowl Sultan. That's just my
we were on that one.

Speaker 4 (01:16:31):
Yeah, yeah, we need to get back to winning super Bowls.
I second that, r Nah.

Speaker 3 (01:16:37):
I agree. It's a long Can they win four games
before we hit the break? Let's go to Pat Nagawan
for a little postgame analysts from Pat. You're next to
the Patriots Postgame Show presented by DraftKings High Pat.

Speaker 23 (01:16:49):
What's up?

Speaker 24 (01:16:50):
Jent?

Speaker 18 (01:16:50):
Hey?

Speaker 8 (01:16:51):
Patty?

Speaker 25 (01:16:52):
Okay, so he gave me three things to discuss in
the pregames, So I want to touch on three things
in the post game two and I'll make them quick.
First thing, Douce, get right, this is rock bottom. This
is and to me, the Miami game was rock bottom
for me, this was worse than that. The second thing was.

Speaker 2 (01:17:11):
So it's proves my point. You don't know rock bottom
until it's.

Speaker 4 (01:17:13):
Over right, you don't know a bottom.

Speaker 2 (01:17:17):
And I'm not talking about in the twenty twenty four season.
Like if they go out like Week two next year
and lose fifty eight to two, is that rock bottom? No,
you're still in it.

Speaker 4 (01:17:27):
Kansas City fourteen was rock bottom until it was right.

Speaker 2 (01:17:30):
That was rock bottom.

Speaker 25 (01:17:31):
Right, Hopefully, Paul, next year, we're not happening to this
discussion of rock Bottom because like you said, you know
and and he you, I don't know if it was
this this past week or the week before. When you
start getting better, you'll know when rock Bottom was exactly
this is it, you know. But like the second thing
I want to say is, when I'm watching Herbert operate,

(01:17:54):
I'm thinking to myself, this is how I want Drake
May to look in like year three, like because he
was here here, Patty Partner.

Speaker 2 (01:18:01):
Here here, That's how he looked in your one.

Speaker 25 (01:18:05):
Drake May was the ball. Today. I'm not Drake May,
but justin Herbert was a ball. And the third thing
I'm going to put out there, Paul you might want
you You're probably gonna want to come after me after
I say this. Like Johnathan Jones was bad today, the
secondary is bad today. I think Isaiah Bolden, at least
from like what I watched on TV today, was not
that bad.

Speaker 2 (01:18:25):
He had a tackle for Losop That's why Mike and
I included that on our good list. A good play. Yeah,
he also got away with passing afference in the end zone.

Speaker 3 (01:18:33):
Butat thank you very much for the phone call. We're
gonna take a playlist, have we taken a break yet,
yeah we did. Sorry, thank you, Matt, I apologize for that.
Let's let's go back to the electronic mail. Uh no,
because we're gonna get to Mayo owns a tight ship.

Speaker 4 (01:18:49):
Matt.

Speaker 3 (01:18:50):
I'm just trying to see if I can figure out
how to post the email.

Speaker 4 (01:18:52):
O MG.

Speaker 3 (01:18:53):
The worst game of the year from Diana in Summer's work,
New Hampshire, Well, that was brutal to watch. Has to
be our worst game of this year. I had been
on the fence about our coaches, but after this pathetic game,
no way it can be just the players. We need
to wipe the sleigh, clean your thoughts. Best part of
the game is a pre in the postgame shows.

Speaker 23 (01:19:10):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:19:11):
That's from Diane in Summer's words.

Speaker 4 (01:19:13):
So when people say that, like blow it all up,
do they realize the task ahead of somebody if they
do that, like to reassemble a front office and coaching
staff in one off season.

Speaker 3 (01:19:29):
It's the answer that I keep with all these people
that want to fire this, want to fire that one.
That's a great idea. If you want to do that,
do you have somebody better to replace them with? Because
it isn't just getting rid of somebody you.

Speaker 4 (01:19:43):
Want to improve, what's the plan?

Speaker 2 (01:19:45):
Would you do it? Plan? Would you do it for
Ben Johnson?

Speaker 3 (01:19:49):
This is not gonna be a popular take.

Speaker 2 (01:19:52):
No, okay, I would It's.

Speaker 3 (01:19:55):
Not him who Ben Johnson is going to be the
apple of a lot of it.

Speaker 4 (01:19:59):
Would make it?

Speaker 2 (01:20:00):
Would argument? Can you get them? I asked you, would
you do it for?

Speaker 11 (01:20:04):
For me?

Speaker 4 (01:20:04):
It would be make it much easier of a thing
with Ben Johnson? If I sit down with him and
ask him who you bringing with you? Correct and if
he has good answers, then it makes it a much
easier decision.

Speaker 2 (01:20:18):
I'm saying. If you decide that you're moving on, you've
decided that this guy ain't the answer. Yeah, you know,
I'm not telling you it's easy, because the thought of
starting all over is daunting to me. Like, but I
understand why people you know, like like Diana, I understand
that mentality, Like evidently you had on the blog today, Freddie,

(01:20:38):
I get why. You know you heard a smattering of
it in the stands, not discerned, you know, not loud,
but you heard people. The people are upset. People like
that they don't believe in it, and think about I
don't believe in what they're watching.

Speaker 3 (01:20:50):
Think about the stability that we've all been able to
witness here for such a long period of time. And
we know because we've heard it from ownership themselves how
important stability is. It's the last thing that they want
to be able to do, right, some.

Speaker 4 (01:21:03):
Lasting something I'd like to like, who's conducting the search?

Speaker 8 (01:21:06):
Right?

Speaker 4 (01:21:06):
Yeah, Elliott?

Speaker 2 (01:21:07):
Well Fred, I think you should treat it like wide receiver. Yeah,
you identify, you know what.

Speaker 4 (01:21:15):
I'd like to know though, I know, I know because
I don't just because I don't dress like a first
grade principle.

Speaker 2 (01:21:23):
You know, and you're not You're not like concentrating on
your music in your late forties.

Speaker 5 (01:21:29):
Music is wonderful thing and it brings a lot of
joy to people.

Speaker 16 (01:21:31):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:21:32):
That's that was my resolution, you know, you know I
could pick for someone else, Mike. I want to him.

Speaker 3 (01:21:39):
We played well off of that.

Speaker 5 (01:21:40):
I just I'd like to know, though, when coaching chaffs changed,
like last year, did how how much how big is
the staff, how big is the football staff? How many
people were belichick people that stayed, and how many people
were new people that came in? And usually when this
kind of thing happens in other organizations. Are there a
similar amount of people holdovers, be it on the coaching staff,

(01:22:00):
scouting staff, et cetera. I'm sure you don't usually fire
everyone when a coach leaves. Uh, you know, that's just
something I wonder about it. Is there some kind of
you know, maybe internal kind of conflict between holdovers.

Speaker 4 (01:22:12):
And new people? And in order to do it, in
order to compare apples to apples, you have to look
at another coach who has no network, right because he
had no network?

Speaker 2 (01:22:22):
Well, how do you know that the next coach doesn't
have anything?

Speaker 4 (01:22:24):
I'm just saying, like if he wanted to do his
little assignment and compare who was a holdovers on our
staff compared to other staffs, Like is that coach that
came in on the other staff? Does is he been
in the leadue for a while? And does he have
a network?

Speaker 5 (01:22:40):
Mayo had no networks A great point. I just I'd
be curious if other NFL teams look at it and
be like they're going to keep Bill's defensive staff, but
they're getting rid of everywhere, or they're gonna.

Speaker 2 (01:22:47):
Keep because I think there's scouts that's rare that as
many guys stay as stayed on this.

Speaker 4 (01:22:53):
Yeah, I bet you was fifty. I bet it was
a fifty point. If you haven't you know people people
actually you know they I hear him make fun of it. Oh,
it's an old boys network, you know, you see the same.
There's a reason for that because they're trusted. You know
what they can do, you know, and it's hard to just.

Speaker 2 (01:23:14):
Covington and Mayo, Like, that's four guys that stayed, Like,
I bet you that's rare, you know, I bet you.
Like when there's a coaching change around the league, I
think for the most party, it's totally new.

Speaker 5 (01:23:25):
But with the scouting staff, like, that's that's what I'm
interested in.

Speaker 4 (01:23:28):
You from what I From what I know, I don't
think there might have been some new people on the
lower level, but at higher level, I don't think they
made any change.

Speaker 3 (01:23:35):
Yeah, I agree, most of the same, most of the same.
We'll take one more call before maybe we hit Gerard
and let's go to Jared, not Gerrod in North Carolina. Jared,
you're next to the Patriots postgame show presented by DraftKings.

Speaker 8 (01:23:49):
Hi.

Speaker 19 (01:23:49):
Jared, Hey, guys, I guess my biggest wonder is, like
where do we even go like if we're firing coordinators,
like who is Drugg going to hire?

Speaker 3 (01:24:01):
Right, that's a good question, that's the question, Jared.

Speaker 19 (01:24:04):
And then and then on top of that, I feel
like most of this is on the GM and what
GM is going to come in here if they can't
pick their own coach. Like I have a friend that's
a Washington Commanders fan. They got a new GM, they
got a new coach, new quarterback, and yeah, I mean
I guess they're probably the outlier, but they got a court,

(01:24:25):
they got a GM that got to pick their coach.
Like I just feel like you guys are wondering who
who like should be it? But like that's the Crafts
problem to figure out, like you know, which GM to hire,
and then that GM is gonna find the coach and
then like this is all gonna Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:24:44):
That's one scenario. It doesn't happen all the time in
every organization like that, but that's one way to do it.
You let the GM pick the coach.

Speaker 2 (01:24:52):
But yeah, I mean I think he's right like that.
I think it's hard to get a quality candidate if
he's not going to have a say in the coach.

Speaker 3 (01:24:59):
Yeah, Patriots lose forty to seven to the Los Angeles Chargers.
They are three and thirteen on the year. After the game,
here's the head coach, Gerard Mayo.

Speaker 26 (01:25:12):
Man, there's nothing really That's what I told the players.
It's really nothing good to take out of that game today,
you know, just the lack of execution. The look, that's
a good football team and they're a well coached football
team which just didn't play well enough in any phase
of the game. No complimentary football. And that's what you
get after what.

Speaker 21 (01:25:34):
You guys were able to do in Buffalo a short
week and a lot of talk about, you know, coming
out from how disappointing, frustrating, surprising is this effort from
your team today.

Speaker 8 (01:25:44):
That's very disappointing. And it comes back to consistency. I mean,
that's what it is, consistency, right, Droud.

Speaker 27 (01:25:54):
Before the game, you said on the radio that Antonio
Gibson would start at running back and then Remandre was
on the field.

Speaker 8 (01:26:00):
What went into the last minute change? That was just
a coach decision. Coach's decision.

Speaker 4 (01:26:05):
Can I just follow up on that, Trod?

Speaker 6 (01:26:07):
Did did something change from the time you did the
interview to the game to lead that or was there
a miscommunication that maybe the message wasn't handed down.

Speaker 8 (01:26:17):
I understand your question, Mike and Love. It was a
coach's decision that that.

Speaker 28 (01:26:24):
Girod, you and DeMarcus have described your defensive struggles this
year to fundamentals, run fits and tackling. The Chargers just
game the third team to score their season high in
points against you. So it looks like the defense has
requested What gives you confidence that this defensive coaching staff
is suited to develop this defense next season.

Speaker 26 (01:26:41):
Look, I have nothing but confidence in the coaching staff
and we'll get better, and it's part of what we
have to do. So I have to look at the
film and see what you know, Some of those things
that you're talking about happened on the field, but look,
we got to get better.

Speaker 24 (01:26:53):
Girod just curious. You know, I do see Drake over there,
But obviously Drake suffered the head injury had to be
evaluated for one in the first quarter. You guys are
down by thirty in the fourth quarter and you send
him out there for two drives. How much thought was
there to pulling him from that game down thirty and
trying to protect him again?

Speaker 26 (01:27:09):
Look, we're trying to develop a quarterback and he wants
to play as a competitor, and we're out there.

Speaker 8 (01:27:16):
With one game over here, awesome, with.

Speaker 11 (01:27:19):
One game left.

Speaker 6 (01:27:20):
How much pressure do you feel and do you feel
like you and your coordinators are coaching for your jobs?

Speaker 26 (01:27:24):
Look, I'm always under pressure, and it's been that way
for a very long time, not just when I became
a head coach of the Patriots.

Speaker 8 (01:27:30):
I'm okay, looking again. I always do what's best for
the team.

Speaker 9 (01:27:35):
The fans at home have never been shy about expressing
their thoughts about the team. We've heard it with Mac
and we've heard it with Bailey. Were you cognizant of
the chants that were being directed at you towards the
end of the game today?

Speaker 8 (01:27:45):
Look, I always look, you hear those things.

Speaker 26 (01:27:47):
But at the same time, Look, they paid to sit
in the seats and we got to play better, and
if we played better, we don't have to hear that stuff.

Speaker 11 (01:27:52):
So drag, can you describe for us the play where
there was the fumble on the pitch from Drake and
what was the design of that play?

Speaker 26 (01:28:04):
Yeah, look, I have to watch the film and see
what exactly happened. But just the exchange obviously was the problem.

Speaker 8 (01:28:09):
It was a turnover drawed.

Speaker 11 (01:28:11):
A consistent message with you each week has been we
have to get better, we have to get better, we
have to pick things up. Obviously, it feels like this
mayby trending in the wrong direction. Do you see it
that way? And you know what point do you feel
like you need to see it get better?

Speaker 8 (01:28:24):
Yeah? To me, every game is unique.

Speaker 26 (01:28:26):
It's a game in itself, and look I said at
the beginning of this press conference, is about consistency, of
which we are not right now.

Speaker 11 (01:28:32):
Your final questions, Hi, Drad.

Speaker 27 (01:28:35):
I was just curious it looked like on that field
goal right before halftime, some of the players were signaling
that it wasn't actually a good kick. I was curious
kind of what you saw on that and your thoughts
about that w'le play.

Speaker 26 (01:28:49):
Yes, that's me really, you know, it didn't matter what
anyone saw. You know, they look at all the scoring
plays and they called it good and we just got
to be able to move forward.

Speaker 2 (01:28:56):
Okay, last question, do you see this being after this game?

Speaker 15 (01:29:00):
Do you see this being more of a talent issue
or a coaching issue, because you did say that you've
got full confidence in the staff.

Speaker 26 (01:29:06):
Yeah, I have full conference and the staff. I have
full confidence and the players in there. I think again,
it just comes down to being consistent across the board.

Speaker 3 (01:29:14):
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Speaker 4 (01:29:38):
Do you think question? Do you think all the questions
that needed to be asked were asked in that press conference?

Speaker 3 (01:29:43):
Would have? I would have I would have kept the
field goal question in my pocket. But other than that,
they talked about the fumble, They talked about playing Drake
at the end. They talked about not being able to
string games together. They talked about Gibson versus Remandre, what
about I.

Speaker 2 (01:30:00):
Miss Yeah, I thought touched on talent. My guess is
that probably would have been some follow ups and stuff.
Brief press press con very thought. But yeah, I think
they hit on all those Okay, something.

Speaker 5 (01:30:12):
On defense like straight drive, scoring drives, no adjustments, no abability.

Speaker 2 (01:30:16):
That's why follow ups probably would have been, yeah, call,
that's a good one. Mic, that would have been a
good follow up.

Speaker 5 (01:30:21):
I didn't even go to general.

Speaker 2 (01:30:24):
You probably would have had a hard time asking you
you're not trained.

Speaker 4 (01:30:27):
He definitely looked like a beaten head coach, weary, weary,
beaten down, frustrated. Uh, the same JOI de vive that
Mao has had, uh you know in training camp and
you know, maybe light coming into the room and everything
like that.

Speaker 3 (01:30:45):
That guy is uh, he's not around any longer. I
think the seriousness and the performance and everything, you can
see it weighing on him.

Speaker 4 (01:30:54):
Yeah, and our puzzlement about the whole dre versus Gibson thing.
I think we didn't get any answer there. You know,
he said, look, it was just a coach's decision. Something happened,
well that something happened in the ninety minutes that made
him change his mind.

Speaker 3 (01:31:11):
I think he did get an answer. I think how
he looked when he responded to that question piss And
there was a follow up. Reese did get the follow
up on that, and you could tell that something happened,
something did happen. It's not I don't we don't know
what happened, but there was something to make him change
his mind.

Speaker 4 (01:31:27):
Yeah, Like Mike, I understand your question, but wreck, Yeah, correct.

Speaker 5 (01:31:32):
I just think like I mean, we were speculating a
little bit, like and you were saying, like, you know,
maybe Gibson came late, like well, how would you feel
here like Gibson and like, well, this guy's fumbled seven
times and I'm like two minutes late, like you're gonna
yank my chance to like, you know, get a start.

Speaker 2 (01:31:44):
I don't know if that's no if Stevenson to say,
you know, I fumble, but he fumbled too, Like why
am I getting losing my job? You know? Like it's
I could see. But these are the kinds of things
that happen on.

Speaker 3 (01:31:56):
Bad Teach Nicholas from South Korea Rights and I've been
following the pictures all my life. This one's for you
Marine Corps, and I've been tuning it to your show
since twenty twenty two, when my family and I were
stationed in South Korea with the Army. I've watched every
single game this season, but after this I can't do
it anymore anyway. I'm deploying for training mission within the US,
not overseas, where I'll be living in the desert without

(01:32:16):
any outside contact for the next thirty five days. I
think it's much needy because I can't take this season anymore.
Thank you all for the great candid coverage of season.
So imagine yourself here, I know, and he's gonna you're
looking forward to thirty five of isolated days in the
desert where you don't have to sit there and talk
about whether or not they have a pass rush, well
the defensive edge. You know, there's gonna be a day

(01:32:37):
and looking for a break from that.

Speaker 4 (01:32:41):
There's gonna be aday only friend Arizona forty.

Speaker 3 (01:32:43):
He emerges from the desert and.

Speaker 5 (01:32:45):
He's like, all right, so what happened in the last patio.

Speaker 4 (01:32:49):
But before you can, I go back to the Dre
Gibson thing, complete conjecture, don't know anything, but what if
may does the Mayo does? The interview comes back? Okay,
you know, uh, Gibson's starting and Alex Van Pelsa's no,
he's not. Remondre is starting. I'm the head coach of

(01:33:10):
the offense, and I don't give an f Remandre starting.

Speaker 3 (01:33:14):
What if that happened, Yeah, that would That's not good.

Speaker 5 (01:33:18):
I mean I I speculated more just miscommunication. What if
a VP didn't get the message that Romandre is gonna
grab some wood?

Speaker 3 (01:33:24):
There for the first there's not a great answer to
this question. No, anyone you look at is not good.

Speaker 4 (01:33:30):
But this is what I mean about having the info.
Does the people that are ultimately and I I mean
the craft, do they have that info? Are they demanding
an answer to that?

Speaker 10 (01:33:40):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:33:40):
I think there's gonna be some demanding.

Speaker 5 (01:33:44):
Its another stepping in it, you know, in the press conference.

Speaker 3 (01:33:46):
Rhino in Durham, North Carolina is next when the Patriots
postgame show presented by DraftKings.

Speaker 29 (01:33:50):
Hi, Rhino, Hey fellows, thanks for taking my call.

Speaker 3 (01:33:54):
You're welcome.

Speaker 29 (01:33:56):
I think you guys were hitting at something important in
that the head coach doesn't necessarily need to be the
best x's and o's guy or control kind of the
strategic game plan, but they at least need to establish
an identity and culture. And that's what's been kind of
frustrating through the season as a fan. It's almost like
some of the criticisms in the press or amongst fans

(01:34:17):
make their way into game plans the next week. We're
not aggressive when we need to be aggressive, or were
inconsistently aggressive. I don't know what kind of identity he's established,
and everybody reaches for this. Damn Campbell comparison with with
bad first years, but at least the Lions were losing
with aggressiveness and some kind of consistent.

Speaker 2 (01:34:37):
Toughness and week to week.

Speaker 29 (01:34:39):
There just isn't that with any decision making from the
coaching staff.

Speaker 3 (01:34:43):
Very well put, Rhino very well put.

Speaker 4 (01:34:45):
I mean, if I'm hiring a head coach and I've
got a bunch of candidates, I'm assuming that they've risen
to the level of being considered because they know how
to play football. They know x's and o's. I want
to know what happens when the phone rings at three
o'clock and you're a star wide receiver just got arrested,
or you know what.

Speaker 3 (01:35:02):
Happens for the defensive back that you just re signed
to extension.

Speaker 4 (01:35:05):
Just kind of yeah, I want to know. I want
to know how he's going to handle situations, you know,
I want to know about him, like what his track
record is, what his pedigree, is you know, does this
guy have you know, tendencies that he's going to bring
to this team? You know, so it's he's right, it's
less when you get to the head coach level. It's

(01:35:27):
really less about the x's and o's correct.

Speaker 5 (01:35:29):
I wonder too if at Mayo's battling some self doubt.
I mean that's you know, how do you know you're
a good coach? You know, like until you's.

Speaker 4 (01:35:35):
Pretty confident might prove it.

Speaker 3 (01:35:37):
But I would think that that confidence as confident as
he is, and I think he is a right to
be confident, and he carries himself with confidence, you need
to show that you're still a guy in charge. But
I wonder if a little bit that that's been just
knocked off kilter just a little bit.

Speaker 5 (01:35:49):
Yeah, I mean, he talks so much about how he's,
you know, wanted to get his own ship, and we've
heard from him for a couple of years about this.
But you know, it's like when I briefly coached called
Club High, like you don't know, you don't know if
players are going to respond to You don't know if
you're going to push the right buttons or if guys
are going to see something in you and take advantage
of you. And you know, it was a big worry
I had of, you know, trying to coach people. It's
part of the challenge that you just you don't know

(01:36:10):
those special people who have that special sauce that rallies
people around them and gets guys to play above themselves
and play together.

Speaker 3 (01:36:17):
What did Jimmy Williams say.

Speaker 2 (01:36:18):
To Joey and Mersino bran Tree little league?

Speaker 6 (01:36:22):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (01:36:23):
What?

Speaker 17 (01:36:23):
What?

Speaker 8 (01:36:23):
What?

Speaker 2 (01:36:24):
What little league team did you coach? Br Tree Litle league?

Speaker 3 (01:36:28):
That was a good elderd in North Carolina. You'll be
last on the call machine.

Speaker 23 (01:36:31):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:36:32):
This is a Patriots postgame show presented by DraftKings.

Speaker 18 (01:36:34):
Hi Eldred, Hey, Mike, Hey, tell us, how y'all doing good?
How are you?

Speaker 23 (01:36:39):
I appreciate the person I was working and I was
watching a little bit.

Speaker 18 (01:36:43):
But if I wasn't working, probably be at the bar
and halfway drunk by now, because I ain't never seen
the team play with less hard and less emotion, less
fire than they did it that game.

Speaker 23 (01:36:53):
Right there, got some Quentin Johnston, no desire, no nothing,
m That's that's what I look at, Okay, But also
also want to come in with the commentators that was
calling the game, and he said.

Speaker 18 (01:37:08):
It's a roster problem. It's talent. They don't have a
jack besides two okay, he named them Gunzo and Mate,
and I agree with him.

Speaker 3 (01:37:18):
Thanks for the call, Thank you, Eldred.

Speaker 4 (01:37:20):
Eldred brings up a good point. And that was Ross
Tucker again. Yes, we talked about it two weeks ago.
And where do you think Ross Tucker got that? Do
you think that maybe Gerard Mayo said we got a
bad roster. Right.

Speaker 3 (01:37:34):
The only thing is is, let me try not to
go with the conspiracy route. Ross Tucker follows the league.
He's on serious, he does. He's now doing TV games
and everything like that. I don't think you have to
be Bobby Betha to look at this roster and say
they're not very good.

Speaker 4 (01:37:49):
No fair enough?

Speaker 3 (01:37:51):
Did he get did he get maybe led down the
aisle with a couple of little pebbles? I think maybe so,
But I also I mean, and he's Ross Tucker is
a Princeton guy.

Speaker 4 (01:38:01):
He's not a dummy.

Speaker 2 (01:38:02):
Always said that himself earlier in the year. R Right,
it's a talent problem. Yeah, Uh, Jerome is the problem
the roster.

Speaker 3 (01:38:09):
Right, Jerome and Pennsylvania says rock bottom, and my editorializing
he does not mean the restaurant downtown. Hello Jerome from Pennsylvania. Here,
Pats fan since nineteen seventy. This is rock bottom. Look
at the brain trust that's going to run the drafted
free agency. They should be fired immediately. Thanks for getting
me through one of the worst seas I can remember.
Everywhere everyone call it out.

Speaker 2 (01:38:32):
And you know, I say this all the time. I'm
not a huge fan of like calling for everyone's job,
and I get it. I know why people are doing it, but.

Speaker 4 (01:38:39):
It's like, blow it up. Who's putting it all together again?

Speaker 2 (01:38:42):
Yeah, it's hard.

Speaker 3 (01:38:44):
You're over You're overlord?

Speaker 4 (01:38:46):
Yeah, Lord?

Speaker 3 (01:38:48):
Right, But.

Speaker 4 (01:38:51):
You know, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:38:53):
Last emails from Jake and Wisconsin for calling around about
the offense right as we wrap.

Speaker 2 (01:38:59):
Up the season.

Speaker 3 (01:38:59):
The biggest concern for me is the same issue we've
had for years, absolute inability to draft. I understand that
this most recent draft is under a new regime, but
I just don't know that we have anyone in the
building capable of properly identifying offensive talent with our inability
to sign free agents with high taxes, cold weather and
no and not an attractive roster. We have to nail
the draft. Every time Lad had a catch, was just

(01:39:21):
salt in the wound Baker without a catch. Was there
one target to Baker in one target to Polk today?
Did I see those correctly.

Speaker 5 (01:39:29):
At the very end?

Speaker 4 (01:39:30):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:39:30):
I saw one to Polk. I don't remember one to Baker.

Speaker 4 (01:39:32):
Baker had one. He should have caught it. He should
have caught it.

Speaker 2 (01:39:35):
Really, yep, yep from Brissette.

Speaker 4 (01:39:37):
The guy was right behind him, but he had he
was in front of the guy. The ball was right
there and he let it go through his hands.

Speaker 3 (01:39:46):
The final today from Foxborough, no joy in Mudville. The
Patriots lose a tough one forty to seven to the
Los Angeles Chargers, who clinch a playoff spot in the
In doing so, the Patriots fall the three and thirteen.
They are locked in right now with the number two
spot currently in the draft. For a host of people,
Matt and Matt behind the glass, Josh and Nick and

(01:40:07):
Nick and Dave and Anthony.

Speaker 4 (01:40:09):
On the video end of it.

Speaker 3 (01:40:10):
Thanks everybody for watching and listening. We'll see you next
week when the Patriots wrap up the season at home
against the division champs. To the Buffalo bills.

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