Patriots Postgame Show 8/25: Breaking Down the Preseason Finale Against the Commanders, Injury Updates, Players of the Game

Tune-in as we break down the Patriots preseason finale loss to the Washington Commanders. We bring you the good, the bad and the injured from the game. Plus, we replay postgame press conferences from head coach Jerod Mayo and quarterback Drake Maye.

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
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Speaker 3 (00:11):
First dive to the Ensie touchdown.

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Speaker 4 (00:24):
Off to Stevenson.

Speaker 3 (00:25):
Well, that's a left, big hole across the forty cuts
left in the forty.

Speaker 4 (00:28):
Five had steam rolls the defender.

Speaker 2 (00:30):
There Live from our studios inside Julette Stadium, here's Matt Smith.

Speaker 3 (00:36):
And let's put a rap on the twenty twenty four preseason.
The final from Landover, Maryland, Washington twenty New England ten.
The Patriots wrap up the preseason with a one and
two mark on the preseason. Matt Smith alongside Pop Rillo
Mike Dusseau. Let's get your thoughts on how you thought
overall this game went. Mike, I'll start with you.

Speaker 5 (00:54):
Uh, Drake May good, offensive line bad. I guess that
would be my my big two takeaways, you know, like
seeing more Drake. I thought he had some good plays,
you know, not everything, but I think he continues to
make strides and you know, he just just shows these
flashes that are really encouraging. So I think there were
some encouraging plays there, but I have to just say
I think the offensive line was really disconcerting how they

(01:17):
played tonight. Huge amount of penalties, sloppy city, so got hurt.
So not a lot to feel great about along the
offensive line coming out of this one.

Speaker 3 (01:25):
For me.

Speaker 1 (01:27):
Yeah, Mike, I think you know nails it. I think
the number one takeaway for me would be Drake May,
but Mike talked about it, so I'm just gonna say
just how sort of disconcerting it is to continue to
play as sloppy as they play tonight. It was penalties.
I think it was ten for one hundred and fifty
seven yards. Penalties accepted. Yeah, there were several others that

(01:49):
would declined. The operation continues to be a mess. Two
fumbled snaps, alignment issues all night. So you know, like
I said, my number one overriding thing is what Mike said.
It's a positive. It's Drake May again showing progress, but
you can't win. Like even the touchdown drive that they had,

(02:10):
they shot themselves in the foot throughout the drive, and
May just kept making plays to get him out of
bad situations. You can't live that way, all.

Speaker 3 (02:16):
Right, So I guess we got to be part of
the hype machine here. Chris Collinsworth was the leader of
the band during the game on NBC. I think Patriots
Nation is following suit. There's a decision we made, Mike,
we talked about in the pregame show. You thought that
coach Mayo would announce it tomorrow. There was promise with
Drake May tonight. There were some real positive signs with

(02:37):
Drake May tonight. Jacoby Brissett got smoked on one play.
A lot of speculation was he hurt. The announced I
think during the game that he was questionable with a
shoulder injury. All that stuff being aside, who's the starting
quarterback when they play the Cincinnati Bengals.

Speaker 5 (02:53):
Ya's still Jacoby Brissett. And I mean, I can understand
why people would be itching to watch Drake May, but
I mean, first and reinforced by watching that offensive line
and what happened to Jacoby Wes said, I mean, the
injury is certainly significant and that's something to monitor as
we you know, have two weeks. But I think they're
still gonna go with Jacoby, I think they're gonna manage Drake.
I think they're gonna, you know, try to save him

(03:14):
from some of these plays because even like the penalties,
guys getting driven back, and we're seeing some of the
low lights here from the offensive line tonight. But it's
just it doesn't inspire confidence at all. You look at
what Drake.

Speaker 6 (03:26):
I mean.

Speaker 5 (03:26):
I don't want to be overly protective of him, but
I think right now is the time to protect him
over these first few weeks of the season.

Speaker 7 (03:32):
Right.

Speaker 3 (03:32):
But Paul, I know you said it's it's Drake's job
when he's ready, right, But is the team ready for
Drake may meeting with this line the way it is,
Are you doing him a disservice by.

Speaker 5 (03:43):
Throwing him to the Wolves?

Speaker 7 (03:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (03:44):
I don't think so. I think there's a lot to
be gained by playing behind, you know, less than optimal conditions.
I think that you can get a lot of Now,
it's a fine line. You don't want him getting into
bad habits and sort of you know, chucking and ducking
and things like that. But I think, you know, there's
a lot to be learned by playing one. You have

(04:05):
to get sped up a little bit with your reads
and whatnot. I've seen enough. I would go with the
kid right out of the choot. But in Cincinnati, yeah,
I don't think they will. I really don't think there's
much of a shot of it, but I would. I
just feel like there's enough. And that said, I said
in the pregame show that I wanted to see a
little offensive flow with Brissette, and I saw it. They

(04:27):
moved the ball a little bit in his last throw.
Was ball's perfect. You can't be any better than that.
He goes down, you know, on a deep ball to
kJ Osborne puts it right on his hand. For some reason,
he only put one hand up and he didn't make
the catch, but it was a perfect throw. I thought
there was some good signs there before before he came out.

(04:49):
I think it was like eight plays he played. They
moved it, and then when May came in, they had
the long drive again, sloppy along the way, but May
wasn't sloppy. May was really good in the drive. All right, Mike,
it's a perfect good job guys with the highlights as usual.

Speaker 3 (05:05):
So Mike, let's try to be fair about the offensive line.
They're missing their presumptive left tackle starter. We don't know
what his injury status is. Okay, there was a lot
of mixing and matching going out there. There's no David
Andrews in there. That's self protection by the franchise that
they can't afford to lose him. And the center exchanges
were terrible tonight. Is there a chance that it was

(05:26):
because of the mixing and matching. I'm trying to look at.

Speaker 5 (05:29):
It, trying to take I wish, I wish I could
jump on your train of positivity. You know, it's just possible. Well,
it's for illegal formation penalties. I mean, what does that
tell you? Like, what's what's that? I mean, I mean
even the ref's like again, but like, what are we doing?
It's just it's kind of a trend that I've noticed
too with seventy seven is that he just seems to

(05:50):
get pre snap penalties. Like I don't know if he
is having trouble focusing or what, but it's been throughout
the summer and when you know, Paul gets into the
stuff about bad snaps off you know, bad pre snap penalties.
He's one of the prime offenders of that, I feel
like the whole summer. So you know, now you have
the you. I just look, these guys have all played
these positions before. I you know, this is kind of

(06:11):
how you started the summer, so I don't really give
them a pass. And this is what it was going
to be. I mean, if you had to start the game,
if the first game was today, that would have been
your offensive line out there. So it's it's hard to
overlook any of these penalties and sloppiness and those things.

Speaker 1 (06:24):
I do disagree a little bit. I think Matt brings
up a good point. I do think David Andrews in
there does make a huge difference. I think first of all,
you can probably eliminate the two snaps.

Speaker 8 (06:33):
Now.

Speaker 1 (06:34):
I did think this the snap under center I thought
was on Drake, but it's it's it's gonna be a
different operation, and I'm not sure I think that their plan. Now.
I'm not telling you what would be better, but I
think their playing as Vederian Lowe at left tack correct
and chokes at right tackle, and Leyden Robinson wouldn't be
in there. I don't think that's the starting offensive line

(06:54):
Week one, but we'll see, you know, I don't maybe
maybe Low's injuries most nificant than than what some of
the reports have been because it seems like it's it's
not not something that's going to keep him a week one.
But Leiden Robinson tonight, I thought had an opportunity to
sort of take a step forward and earn a roll,
and I don't think. I don't think he did. We'll
get to some of that stuff in a second. But

(07:17):
I do think there's a chance that mad is right
in that it might look better when Andrews is in there,
and maybe some of that shuffling around it contributed to
the issues tonight.

Speaker 3 (07:27):
I want to hear from you at eighty five five
PATS five hundred, or please email us electronic mail at
web radio at Patriots dot com. Matt, what do you think?
Is it time now for the good, the bad, and
the injured.

Speaker 5 (07:37):
Let's let it roll now, It's time for the good,
pretty good, pretty good.

Speaker 1 (07:44):
The bad and the injured. Ah ah, you are right, guy?

Speaker 3 (07:54):
Okay, not a lot of good? Am I missing something
to good out there?

Speaker 7 (07:58):
Mike?

Speaker 3 (07:58):
Is it may and no?

Speaker 5 (07:59):
But let's put off but let's start Yeah, let's start
off ahead.

Speaker 3 (08:03):
Mike.

Speaker 5 (08:03):
You can start off with Drake. May you know it's
it's a progression and I I you know, you mentioned
the touchdown that came back. You know, I think that's
just a play where it shows on the move to
his last cat back hits the guy open touchdown, you
know what I mean. And when you're pointed this out
at the time, it's like, how much did the legal
formation really affect that?

Speaker 1 (08:22):
Not at all? No, No, that play still kept to me,
that play still happened.

Speaker 5 (08:26):
Yeah, I thought that was a great point by Paul.
But I just this is what it is for me,
and I said it on the pregame show. It's like
you've got a kid who's got all the tools in
the toolbox. You saw him on display tonight. Real nice
throw there, you know, a.

Speaker 1 (08:39):
Couple of especially when I love, I love for two reasons.
Because Mike's guy was down the field. That's the first
time we've seen him down the field and not.

Speaker 5 (08:47):
Really a clean pocket, you know, like it's it's just
it's a little murky still and he's able to stay
in there. I just think that's a great sign when
you know, when you start to see quarterbacks losing their
touch or getting you know, happy feet and they're looking
down at the rush and and I don't think you're
seeing that, and I mean it's bad for the offensive
line because I felt like a lot of the passes
that May May tonight were like right there. I mean,
even that one kind of a guy in his lap.

(09:08):
You know, it's never like step into it and un
cork it. It's kind of like he's got to get
it off with people around him. So I just was
overall again impressed by him. Nice throw there there to Pop.
I thought maybe you could have laid that one out
front him a little bit more than them run into it.
But but overall, an encouraging night from from Drake May.
And you know everybody here on my my, my Twitter

(09:29):
X is you know, going crazy, losing their mind, and
it's like, at least you got the quarterback. At least
you can feel good about the quarterback right now.

Speaker 1 (09:35):
Yeah, And I would agree with Mike. It was the
throw to to Pulk, the throw to Douglas, and then
there was a throw in the next one of the
later drives to Baker on a comeback that I and
that doesn't count the one that was wiped out to
Osborne because of a penalty. How'd you put it at
the end there, like, you know, just we got we

(09:56):
got a quarterback, right.

Speaker 5 (09:57):
Yeah, I mean that's like what they got to grasp
onto it at the moment. And I mean, really, it's it's
just it's i mean, throwing without a shoe on. I mean,
this is just guy's getting pushed into his lap all day.
You know, it's it's it's just it's difficult, and it's
good because this is kind of how it's been for
him and you know, you still see him making progress
despite the chaos.

Speaker 1 (10:16):
Around thirteen for twenty for one to twenty six and
a touchdown.

Speaker 3 (10:18):
So do each of you give your good and then
each of you give your bed?

Speaker 1 (10:21):
Yeah, we do, we do all we all do goods.
Then we go to then we go to the bats.
So you know, obviously Mike took Drake May. I'm gonna
put Antonio Gibson on my good list. I thought he
came out with the uh different with a flash at
the At the start, he had a couple of solid runs.
Let's see what he ended up with three runs for
seventeen yards, so that's a good, healthy five point seven

(10:42):
yard average, and then he had a big catch to
convert the first third down of the night from Jacoby Brissett.
That's his job. You know, he's a third down back.
So when they go with the with those passing looks,
he's supposed to take advantage as a runner in passer.
I thought he did. I thought he ran with some toughness,
he ran hard, and I thought the catches what he's

(11:03):
here for on third down? They beat the blitz beautiful
play right there, sticks, So I thought he gave a
little bit of a flash on those first series. So right,
that's a you know, it's a good third down conversion.

Speaker 3 (11:13):
Right question. Great job in the highlights, all right, Mike?
Any other.

Speaker 1 (11:19):
That I know you're immune to opinions, but you you
were not going to just ride by. This is not
a group project that you're gonna Jason Tatum and get
a gold medal on without doing anything.

Speaker 3 (11:29):
Look, I think you're digging deep to try to get
where you added Robinson as a good. I think the
good starts with I.

Speaker 1 (11:38):
Didn't add rob I'm sorry he's come, He's coming up later.

Speaker 3 (11:42):
Okay, I think it the good stops with Drake christ Oh.

Speaker 1 (11:46):
Oh, okay, Mike, you have any more goods?

Speaker 5 (11:48):
I can get some more goods from.

Speaker 1 (11:50):
Fred would not agree. Fred probably would have seventeen eighteen more.

Speaker 3 (11:53):
Yeah, I just I like it's tough to take a
lot of positives out of this other than Drake May.
It really is.

Speaker 5 (12:00):
I'm sorry, No, I'm gonna I'm gonna put Michael Hasty
on there. I mean, I know, I want to get
down into into you know, or into the weeds a
little bit. But I just think there's a guy who
didn't really know what we have, and I just I
think he looks really comfortable in this offense. He looks,
you know, he's got some wiggle to him. He's kind
of like that slashing running style. It's a little different,
closer to Gibson, but a little bit different than than

(12:20):
the rest of the guys in the room. So you know,
in terms of his night for carries twenty one yards,
three catches for twenty four yards, nothing crazy, but you know,
he just he's involved in I think he's a guy
that tonight you look at him and you say, I
think we I think we can do something with this guy.

Speaker 1 (12:35):
Guy had him on too, you know, same kind of
stuff that I said about Gibson. He was a little
later in the game. That's why I went with Gibson first.
I also had two linebackers on my list that not
necessarily the front line guys, but Joe Giles Harris and
the other guy with two names, William Bradley, Bradley King Bradley,

(12:56):
thank you, thank you, Mike three first things. I feel
like I'm Kevin Annex and the old day I'm Ron
Hobson in the old days, and he's Kevin Mannix. Finish
my the touchdown twins. He has to finish my sentences
for me. I thought both of those guys were pretty
active as well, and it wasn't perfect for Giles Harris.
He had the nice pick here where he cuts underneath,
makes a nice play on the ball on Jeff Driscoll.

(13:18):
But he also had a couple where he's slamming down
on zone reads. But I just like his motor. He
looks like he's a, you know, a pretty pretty active linebacker.
I keep using the word active. I mean, I think
that's the best way I have to describe him. I
thought those two guys showed up a little bit forty
four and fifty two.

Speaker 3 (13:36):
Yeah, all right, before we get to the bads, I'm gonna.

Speaker 1 (13:38):
Well, you're just gonna have anything else to be at he.

Speaker 3 (13:41):
Hit a little electronic meal here, which I thought is decent.
This is coming to us from Alex from Montreal, by
the way, big presence in Canada in the pre the
post coal show. Oh yeah, they said welcome back to
the post game show. That's not why I'm reading it.
But not to overreact. During the preseason, but our offseason
veteran additions to the offensive line played miserably again, even
the referee poked fund for a presumed starting tackle. Is

(14:03):
there anything Elegant Wolf can do at the cutdown date
to reinforce the offensive line? Is there? So I think
that's a legitimate question here that Alex is asking. But
is there all of a sudden gonna be some panacea
at the cutdown date where you're gonna find a starting
left tackle that seems unrealistic? Can they add some depth
and guys that can maybe push and help, Well they

(14:24):
hold the fort down for a little bit.

Speaker 5 (14:26):
I mean maybe we'll see, we'll see who gets released.
But I mean at the end of the day, I
think you're still looking at the same kind of guys that.

Speaker 3 (14:33):
You're king cross.

Speaker 5 (14:34):
Yeah, you're kind of crossing your fingers and holding your
nose and saying maybe this will work out. It's not
gonna happen that someone is going to be available. That
is an improvement at the two test starting tackle spots.
There's not starting tackles available in late August. It's just
it's not gonna happen. So, I mean, made the example
last year. They were in panic mode. Last year they
had to go out. What they get Tyrone Wheatley and

(14:56):
they got Vederian Lowe and you know both those guys,
I mean Andy Anderson. Yeah, well Anderson was answer was
a free agent.

Speaker 1 (15:02):
No no, no, I know, but you know that. But at
this time, but this time of year, that's the kind
of guy typically getting. Now the one like I don't
know the Trent Williams situation, if that is that that
hasn't been resolved, right that I missed that, But I mean,
I don't really think it's realistic that the Patriots would
be in a position to do something like that if
San Francisco can't figure it out. But typically I think

(15:25):
Mike is right, like, if you're going to get a
guy that is available, it's you know, a late round
draft pick from someone that didn't catch on and maybe
you're trying to see if you can develop him. And
I'm not saying that you shouldn't take a shot with
a guy like that. Like last year they you know what,
Belichick picked up Low and Wheatley. Given the state that
their offensive line was in, that was worth worth a shot.

(15:48):
See if you can develop them. Who knows, maybe they
did with one of them with Low, you know, but
I don't really think you got a guy that you're
going to say, well, he's better than a corp fold,
we're going to play him now.

Speaker 5 (15:57):
I just not let me one more point. Like Calvin Anderson,
you know, they got him last offseason, but it's, you know,
he's the same kind of guy. All these guys were
like the third tackle or like, you know, played a
little bit single. Every single tackle that they have is
like a project in some way ever since they like
got away from having stability at those two positions. And
I mean it just you know, it drives you crazy.

(16:18):
As much as you can get on them about not
having weapons, it's you know, it's it's it's letting the
tires go bald on your car, right Like That's that's
the comp I always make of offensive linemen. You don't
want to buy tires for your car. But if you don't,
your car ain't going anywhere. And I just feel like
they have been trying like this spare tire. That's instead
of just go down to who's our partner, Sullivan Tire,

(16:38):
go down and Sullivan Tire, buy some new tires. You
buy a bridge stone at Sullivan Tire, because that's what
they've gotten away from and I unfortunately they're paying for
it and it's gonna hurt this year.

Speaker 3 (16:51):
So I assume we could go across the board with
the top of the dads and say that to the
offensive line is we're piling line to that. That's as
obvious as the nose on our face. So Paul, here's
my question about that. You're in a bad spot here
as we're really talking about it.

Speaker 5 (17:04):
What do they do?

Speaker 3 (17:05):
Because to me, there's a there's a short term and
a long term situation here. You got to line guys up,
five of them to play against the Cincinnati Bengals in
ten days. Okay, it might not be. What you really
want to do is the hope that Wallace and Robinson
get up to speed sooner rather than later, and that
is that the offensive lines version of Drake may that

(17:26):
we you know, passed up a time to them, hopefully
soon so that that can solidify what's right now really
holding this team back.

Speaker 1 (17:35):
Yeah, I would say that by the end of the year,
if those two guys can be starters, I think you'd
be okay with it. Tonight was a real step back
in that regard. You saw Kayden Wallace out there very late,
not looking great, and I thought Leyden Robinson really struggled throughout.
He's probably the one that I have on the top
of my list. But this is something I want to

(17:56):
get on off my chest because you know how I
can get a little bit snarky. I know it's true.

Speaker 5 (18:00):
I've heard that I have an experience.

Speaker 1 (18:02):
That can be a little stubborn and that can be
a little snarky. I've been sort of like sort of
in the thing with Evan about well, well, they have
an offensive line coach now, and I keep saying, yeah,
at this time last year we had an offensive line
coach too, and we were really disappointed with the whole
Matt Patricia experience from twenty twenty two. Offensive line slash

(18:24):
offensive coordinator never really been on offense.

Speaker 9 (18:27):
Well.

Speaker 1 (18:27):
Last year when we got Adrian klem everybody was like, well,
we got an offensive line coach, was a disaster, didn't work,
and everybody's the same place this year. It's Scott Peters.
We got them four alignment issues tonight, fall starts in
every game. That's coaching correct. So why is everybody so

(18:49):
certain that the offensive line coach is the panacea to
steal you a word? Matt to everything that ails the
offensive line, Like, I haven't seen anything yet to show
me that that that's a really cohesive unit. I saw
the first sack that killeds Brissette tonight, where City sew
is trying to get out and get the rusher off

(19:09):
the edge. Leyden Robinson has pushed into the backfield. He
ends up colliding, so ends up colliding with Jamichael Hasty
and meanwhile, you're starting quarterback gets killed, killed or killed
as I like to say. So that's partly coaching. This
is like guys not necessarily getting where they need to go. Now,

(19:32):
in Robinson's case, it's poor execution, but otherwise it looked
like guys just running aimlessly. So I think Scott Peters
knows what he's doing. I think he tutored under one
of the best offensive line coaches. Of all time in
Bill Callahan. Okay, so I think the guy knows what
he's doing too. I have hope that it will get better,
but I don't just automatically say it's better until I

(19:55):
see it get better. And it hasn't looked better at
all this summer.

Speaker 7 (19:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (19:59):
No, I mean you can't argue with it. You can't
argue that I would. I guess my only not rebuttal,
my only pushback from my perspective is that what we
know now, did they even want Adrian clemb Did Adrian
Clemm even know how he fit into that system last year?
That's my question. Whereas with Scott Peters, he came with
Van Pelt. You figured that there would be some continuity there.

(20:19):
Now the proof is in the pudding. So, I mean, Paul,
is you know absolutely right? This has been sloppy all year.
I think we saw, you know, I think Chris Price
tweeted out that that he was laying into the Scott
Peters was laying into the offensive line, and deservedly so.
But I mean, this is kind of what it looked
like against Phillies starters, correct, not Washington's backups. They looked
like that against Washington's backups too.

Speaker 3 (20:40):
I thought Chris Collinswort did a good job early on
when he said this should be an advantage for the
Patriots as they've got starting caliber players going right up
against Washington. That's right, as Brischette got.

Speaker 1 (20:53):
Two weeks in a row. They they opened the game
in that, in that manner, with your with your not ah,
I want to say, it's not eleven, but the bulk
of your starters against all backups and the best you
could do was win by a touchdown in both of
those games. You know, for an extended period of time,
you really should be pushing around backups.

Speaker 5 (21:15):
Yeah, it's a bad sign on the offensive line. I mean,
I just I don't know how to how to sugarcoat
it because we saw what it looked like with Philly
starters and Philly starters in joint practice. Of course they're
very good, yep, but watching them get pushed around last
week by the Eagles backups. I mean that PJ. Mustafar
guy would let you know, handling our starting guards and

(21:37):
now you know these guys are out there. So I
don't know what the answer is.

Speaker 7 (21:40):
Matt.

Speaker 5 (21:41):
I wanted to say that it would be Kaden Wallace
but at this point I feel like they believe Invderian
Lowe for whatever reason, and that they need to get
him back and to put a corps Ford back on
the right side. But I have no confidence that they're
going to get through the Cincinnati game in two weeks
without multiple penalties that are just unnecessary and stupid that
hurt them.

Speaker 3 (22:00):
Five to five Pats five hundred. We're gonna go to
the phone lines. Let's see Chris and New Hampshire's waited patiently. Chris,
good evening, you're on the Patriots post game show. Hello Chris.

Speaker 10 (22:10):
Hey, guys love this. Hey, you guys love the show.

Speaker 11 (22:12):
Thanks for taking my golf.

Speaker 7 (22:13):
Thank Chris.

Speaker 12 (22:14):
Just a quick thought.

Speaker 10 (22:15):
Here's not sure if you guys noticed it or if
I'm just kicking, but I kind of know this. Pop
Douglas that time tried to do a little bit too
much of shaking in Bacon rather than just committing in
which one and no gaming yard. I'll hang up and
looking at box.

Speaker 11 (22:30):
Thanks for taking us off.

Speaker 5 (22:32):
I mean again, I don't think these plays were really
well executed. And he's in the middle of trash, like
a bunch of trash, and it's not his game. I
think it. It's just these plays exacerbate his size and
his you know, he's not going to operate wherever. I
mean that one screen pass they tried to throw to
him where.

Speaker 1 (22:47):
Everybody was just he had no one. He had one
catch for sixteen yards on a third down. Yeah, that
was a conventional play. And then they threw a couple
of screens to him. You're supposed to shake and bake
on screens, so there was nothing there. He didn't get anything.
He ended up losing yards on them. But I didn't
really look. I didn't think that he did a bad
job of picking up yards after the catch. I just

(23:10):
thought it's in a bad spot. There were a couple
of short throws that he had nothing. Nothing available on the.

Speaker 3 (23:16):
Email line, web radio at Patriots dot Com. Uri from Brazil,
Sorry that's me. Does that mean Matt I apologize? Uri
from Brazil. Maybe our investment in an international market is
paying off, Euri from Brazil. Rights May running in a
preseason game really double question marks. That was risky and unnecessary.
Now that actually I mean, clearly there wasn't a lot

(23:39):
of protection. But I actually thought that was a smart
move by May on that play.

Speaker 1 (23:43):
He's got to try to get a drive going. I
don't want to see that. Like if I had listen,
I loved it. This drive was just a ninety yard
touchdown drive, right, so eighty eight. When they're going to
put together stuff in this preseason, you know, Matt, sometimes
they ask you to put together a little highlight package
of the preseason. This drive is going to be on

(24:05):
it because it's really the only one that they had,
no question. Okay, so I'm not nitpicking. I would have
much rather have seen him right here, find somebody open,
rip it and get the first down that way. I
don't want to see this in a preseason game now.
I definitely don't want to see him diving forward head
first in a preseason game. But this is what they're
going to have to do to move the chains sometimes.

(24:26):
I mean, you get used to it. You have a
quarterback who's an athlete now and he can do this,
and this is something that the last guy couldn't do
and are going to take over here, Paul, and you
got you gotta do it, you gotta you gotta have it.
I had some more bad stuff I don't know about.
I don't know about you.

Speaker 3 (24:43):
I was going to ask you if you like, how
much more bad do we keep it? Rolling?

Speaker 5 (24:47):
Rolling?

Speaker 1 (24:47):
The offensive line obviously everybody. I don't think anybody was
a mule. And you had Leverett with the snaps, you
had a win who in a corps four with formation penalties,
Leyden Robinson and City So with some protect issues and
then So ends up getting hurt. But I thought we
talked a lot about guys that could make the team. Mike,
what was the way you put it, uh on the

(25:08):
on the bubble bubble, Yeah, something I thought there was,
you know a number of young defensive backs that had
a chance to play a lot and make some plays.
And I didn't really see a lot of plays. Marcellus
Dial with a couple of penalties, it's easy, Herne with
a couple of penalties, Alex Austin giving up some catches
that Sean Wade played pretty well out of that group.

(25:31):
But I thought there was some up and down from
even Marco Wilson, who I think started gave up. But
I think a first down catch on the first drive,
So I thought those there's a lot of battles going
on for say a fourth fifth corner, you know, And
I didn't think anybody really grabbed a hold of it.

Speaker 5 (25:49):
No, no, I agree. I mean that's the same thing.

Speaker 1 (25:52):
In the second Bolden was another one that was involved
in some of that stuff. Almost get it, jumped, jumped
an out route, had opportunities, didn't do anything with it. Disappointing,
like anything that stood out to you.

Speaker 5 (26:04):
Yeah, well, I mean otherwise than your guys or yeah,
Baker again, I mean, I just it's the same mistakes
and it's.

Speaker 1 (26:10):
Stepping out of.

Speaker 3 (26:12):
Have a nice catchdown he did.

Speaker 1 (26:14):
He did bounce back with a seven seven targets to
catches right, And it's just that's the same story.

Speaker 5 (26:20):
And Jamon Baker, they throw the ball to him, he
doesn't catch it. They're not able to make the plays,
and it's just it's disappointing because I think the kid
does have some talent, but right now it is what
it is. Expectations aside. He's a six round pick and
he's and he's not really able to click right now
in the offense.

Speaker 3 (26:34):
Let's go to Ethan and California. Ethan, you're next on
Patriots postgame. Hello Ethan, Hello, Hey hi.

Speaker 7 (26:45):
To me.

Speaker 1 (26:46):
Yes, yes, you're on the air.

Speaker 10 (26:49):
So I because I I am a good quarterback Patriots.

Speaker 3 (26:55):
I am good. Okay, Okay, so Ethan, thanks for your call.
Let's go to Sam in the Carolina And I know
Matt put that drop? Is that you? Okay?

Speaker 7 (27:07):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (27:08):
Did we go to Sam in the Carolinas? He's gone.
Let's go to Trey in Tampa. Trey your next time
Patriots post game.

Speaker 11 (27:16):
Hey, thank y'all for having me on. I thought I
might have been banned. That's when my call last week
allowed me to allow me to rejoin. But I just
want to say I caught myself a couple of times
watching this game when Mac Jones dog was on a
couple of throws that Drake May that Drake Drake May
is capable of making that Mac wasn't capable of making.
I would I kind of crazed a little bit, and

(27:39):
I remembered, Okay, we have a quarterback that's actually capable
of making those throws. That throw out to Kevin Harris
in the flat, Well, it doesn't seem like much. You
put some mustard and style crout on that dog. I
feel like Mac with that defender craft.

Speaker 3 (27:52):
Okay, we lost him midway up Paul on that particular throw.
You had a nice observation during it where you questioned
the decision making a little bit, or maybe it was.

Speaker 1 (28:01):
The executional Yeah, I think it might have been a
different one that he completed to Hasty where he kind
of did that the thing that I can't stand. It's
one thing to pump, but then the throw, like the
pump is normal, and then the throw is like half speed,
and you know, maybe he saw it through and saw
the coverage and saw how open Hasty was because he
ended up catching it and picking up the first down,

(28:23):
So maybe he saw it enough. I saw that throw
a lot this summer and it never really looked good.
So I'd like to see him sort of table that throw,
the one to the flat. I think Trey described it right.
I agree it's a dangerous throw, but he does he
put enough on it. He got away with it. They've
run a lot of those kinds of throws, Mike, wouldn't
you say in the twenty whatever eighteen nineteen practices that

(28:46):
we saw, and none of them really seemed to get
picked off. They all get there somehow, but there's a
guy there that could make the play ish. But you know,
both Brissette and May I think have gotten away with
that throw a lot.

Speaker 3 (28:58):
Yeah, Jason emails, I don't want Drake to get killed
by this horrible offensive line. Start pressett and if he
gets hurt, let Zappi run the show.

Speaker 1 (29:07):
So it might happen.

Speaker 3 (29:08):
It's it's an interesting take from a fan who I
think maybe might be on board with this. Let's let
the process play out a little bit, Mike.

Speaker 5 (29:17):
I was a little surprised Zappi didn't go in. I mean,
this is how this is like the third time in
Zappi's career. They're like two minutes left, like okay, now
you can go like it always just seems yeah, and
they just hand it off, like just go in there
and hand out.

Speaker 3 (29:28):
I don't know. Is it because they know what they've
gotten Bailly Zappi? Mike, Yeah, is there a possibility, asked
as to Paul as we're walking in here. Is it
not only that they know what they've got? Is there
a you know, is it possible that they said, look,
you're gonna be on the team, We need to see
what these other guys can do. And does that reinforce
the position that maybe they might keep four quarterbacks?

Speaker 5 (29:46):
Yeah, I mean it's it's uh, they certainly weren't trying
to showcase him or anything like that. I mean, I
think the league knows what he is. And that first
game he got you know, all the snaps pretty much right,
I mean, he was playing most of the game. So yeah,
I think that the science still kind of make me
think they might they might find a way to keep
Bailey's Appy around, especially like back to Paul's point, nobody
really my thing. Nobody on the bubble really, Like I

(30:09):
thought Hasty was pretty good, but otherwise, like Kaishaan BOODI
where was he tonight? No, you know, I didn't see him.
Jalen Rager, I know he was out there kind of
late too. I mean, you got the Matt Landers guy
coming up with the one big place, So I don't know.
I just there's not a lot of guys right now
again that I'm banging the table for that we got
to keep. And like I just again, Bailey's Appy. I
know that he is what he is, but there is

(30:30):
some value there if especially now when you're looking at
Jacoby Brissett with a questionable shoulder injury.

Speaker 3 (30:36):
And Paul, you made the point you're not interested in
picking up and I'm just using this guy because he's
a little bit of a name. He caught lightning in
the bottle a year or so ago. Mike White's on
the street right now, you know, and the here's a name,
and you're saying, I don't want somebody else's quarterback because
it's gonna take him a hole who knows how long
to get up just feeding this sitte.

Speaker 1 (30:54):
I don't. I mean, I don't have intimate knowledge of
Mike White to know if he's got any familiarity with
this this, and if he did, then you know, maybe
that would be worth a conversation just on the surface.
And I'm in the minority in this. A lot of
people disagree. I think you can get quarterbacks through waivers
for the most part because of that reason. I think
it's really hard for a quarterback to spend an entire

(31:17):
offseason with a new system and pick it up. I mean,
we talked about it all the time with Mac Jones, like, oh,
he's been three offenses in three years. But then we're
just going to get like Mike White and plug him in,
you know, with no like, I'll just keep Bailey's appy.
Mike White's not any better than Bailey's appy. Bailey's appy
is not any better than Mike White. To Matt's point,

(31:37):
I've seen both of those guys have successful games, but
nothing of any consequence for any consistent level.

Speaker 8 (31:45):
You know.

Speaker 1 (31:45):
It's like people talk about the Vikings. You know, they
had JJ McCarthy go down. Sam Darnold was probably going
to start the season anyway, but now we have to
start and they have I think Nick Mullens and Jaron
Hall with their are other two quarterbacks. People like, well,
why don't they deal Bailey Zappy to the Vikings for
a fifth round pick. I'm like, because they already have

(32:05):
Bailey's Appy on the roster twice, Like why you know,
and he's been in their system.

Speaker 5 (32:10):
Especially when you're yeah, exactly, And I mean when you've
had the guy already here, you've already put into him,
like there's already established level of communication that you have
with him that you know he understands what you're going
to be talking about. And it's just a break in
case of emergency, you know, break glass like that, that's
what you're getting for. So what are you really expecting
out of that guy? Anyway? I think you'd probably just
want to make it easy on the communication.

Speaker 1 (32:31):
So and then you know, the argument for having like,
let's let's say it was Mike White. So the argument
for wanting to get Mike White was, so you have
a veterans was a veteran backup quarterback? Well, now, like,
if he's on your roster in Week one in Cincinnati,
can he be the backup? You know, if he spent
if he spent ten days with the Patriots, could he
be your backup?

Speaker 5 (32:51):
Is he going to be better than Bailey's Appy in
ten days, even with Bailey's appy being Bailey's Appy?

Speaker 1 (32:55):
So I do wonder what Matt's Matt's point to me
coming down like, you don't want to get him hurt,
you know what he is, and maybe they are just
planning on keeping him at least for the short term
and then, you know, maybe make a move after that.
I still think he'll probably go, but Matt made me
think about it as you know, a second way.

Speaker 5 (33:14):
I mean, I think, for your position, just just try
to get in the practice squad and if you lose him,
you lose him.

Speaker 1 (33:19):
We're not going to get I would certainly understand. And
most of the people I've said, put him on the
practice squad have said, why the hell would he sign?
And I don't have an answer.

Speaker 3 (33:28):
Before we get to the injured, Ivan rights to Paul.
As a matter of fact, Ivan writes, Drake may should
start multiple question marks, exclamation points. He will get killed.
Absolutely pathetic offensive line. So Ivan weighing in on.

Speaker 7 (33:43):
The no.

Speaker 1 (33:45):
That might get killed tonight, it might be iven feared.
Can the offensive line play any worse than it did tonight?

Speaker 3 (33:51):
Hard press?

Speaker 1 (33:53):
So again, I understand the reservations because the offensive line
is bad? But when are you going to feel really
great about everything?

Speaker 5 (34:02):
I hope, I hope at some point, but I don't know.

Speaker 1 (34:04):
If so, I'll tell you when we left out one
one good right here, Let's let's go. This is the
the over unders right here?

Speaker 5 (34:11):
Oh how do we do?

Speaker 1 (34:12):
Paul six? And oh Mike six and oh no, socks
five and one really good night in the over.

Speaker 3 (34:19):
Let's finish up here in the good, bad and the
injured with the injured, and I think we need to
start with the quarterback and Jacoby Brissett. Certainly NBC had
a great shot of him with that WinCE as he's
trying to come off the field. That didn't look good.
Now the armchair doctors as are sitting there watching everything afterwards,
didn't look like he went in for any kind of
X rays, didn't see a lot of I don't know

(34:42):
treatment on the sideline. He stood in the rest of
the game and was in there. It was a little
bit later when they announced via NBC that he was
questionably returned with the shoulder injury. How much of a
factor do you think this injury is going to be
and does that play a role in who plays again Cincinnati?

Speaker 5 (35:01):
That definitely would if he's hurt. I I mean I
would think the signs. No, I think the signs. I
mean if he if there was some serious I think
he would have had a lot of activity around him
and there would have been a lot of concern.

Speaker 1 (35:09):
Don't you would have come out of the game?

Speaker 5 (35:11):
Yeah, I mean, well didn'ey is that he only threw
like two more passes and then that was it, and
he checked that pass up and that was he put
some good juice on it.

Speaker 1 (35:17):
So he stayed in the game for the next two plays.

Speaker 5 (35:20):
And I'm optimistic he'll be okay, but it certainly doesn't
help matters. I mean, you know, you got a couple
of days off, but I mean you're gonna want to
get some practices in this week. Is he going to
be limited? Is he you know, gonna have to give
some snaps up to Drake? I mean, it's just it
does complicate things a little bit.

Speaker 1 (35:34):
Does that accelerate the process to get me in there?

Speaker 5 (35:37):
Maybe maybe a million.

Speaker 3 (35:39):
Dollar injuries the other injury of the next injury of note,
I think we'd have to say a city. So right,
guy seems to have been penciled in, is going to
be one of their starting interior offensive lineman. He went down,
looked like it was a foot problem and everything like that. Again,
there's so they've got so much problems with the offensive line.
If a guy that you're kind of counting on goes down,

(35:59):
it's just more mix and match.

Speaker 1 (36:01):
Not good. They announced ankle and they announced him out,
which I thought was interesting watching the replay, it was
hard to see how exactly what happened, But it's not
you know, obviously he's holding his right ankle there. I
kind of worried. Yeah, I'm a little worried about this,

(36:22):
to be honest with you. The fact that they announced
him out and it doesn't look like it rolled. Yeah,
that's what I think of kind of grabbed the back
of it too. See how he's kind of like flexing
it there a little bit.

Speaker 5 (36:35):
Is that what happens? So this is what happens.

Speaker 1 (36:38):
And they're holding the back of the calf.

Speaker 5 (36:40):
They're like almost test And just so you.

Speaker 1 (36:42):
Know, Monday Night Football last year, the Jets and initially
said ankle.

Speaker 5 (36:48):
Yeah, technically the killes is at the ankle.

Speaker 1 (36:50):
And I'm not telling you that's what it is. I'm
a little worried that they announced him as out whereas Brissett.
We knew Brissette wasn't coming back in the game, so
they easily could have said, you know, but he was.
They announced him as questionable. He was in this right,
he was, Yeah, he was.

Speaker 7 (37:03):
Well.

Speaker 1 (37:03):
He immediately had the head the headphone on and he
was communicating with May during that time. I don't know,
I don't want to put any alarm bills, but I
agree with Matt. I think he is penciled in for
a starting job at left guard. That would be a
blow because Cole Strange is not going to be ready
to go for a while. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (37:21):
And they, I mean they have been looking a little
bit with Michael Jordan, and I mean there has been
some rotation with City, you know, he hasn't been completely
you know, immovable as the left guard.

Speaker 1 (37:30):
But yeah, it's it's it's just that probably puts Robinson in.
Well maybe maybe they feel better about Leverett at guard.

Speaker 5 (37:38):
Than snapping No, but Leverett too was guarded in Tampa,
so he's you know, got some playing experience there in
the NFL.

Speaker 1 (37:46):
Uh did we cover the injured Christian Alist like he
got banged up and it looked to me like I
think it was they announced it as it might have
been announced.

Speaker 5 (37:55):
Yeah, yeah, and Joe joas Harris needed some help to
but I think he came back to break.

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Speaker 3 (40:49):
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onw England Patriots. Zach from Freiburg, Main writes in as
we head into week one, one tough question here, but
I appreciate that effort. What are you most excited about
with the Patriots? Mike do So will start?

Speaker 5 (41:08):
Uh, Drake May? But just real quick, Christopher Price saying,
city So left the locker room in a walking boot.
Can you walk with a with a torn kill walking boot?
Wucking boot that would track?

Speaker 1 (41:17):
Let's hope it's like a high ankle sprain. Yeah, now
that's still a serious that's still a serious injury, but
it's not a not a season ender or anything like that.

Speaker 5 (41:25):
Uh, I'm sorry they what I'm I excited?

Speaker 3 (41:27):
What are you most excited about in your Drake May?

Speaker 8 (41:30):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (41:30):
Drake May? Yeah, I mean one hundred percent, like you know,
and that's I mean, every time we watch him, it
continues to be reinforced that he can do what we
need him to do. Uh, you just have to wonder
how far away the team around him is. And you know,
it's just it's real hard to truly you know know
at this point, I mean it's it's you don't feel
positive about it, And to be honest, you're looking at

(41:51):
how you've seen things in the preseason and imagining that
going into the regular season. It's hard to make a
leap of faith that it's gonna suddenly look completely different
than what we saw in the joint practice against Philly
and the game against Philly and now in this game tonight.
I mean, it's uh, and it's just it's it's unfortunate
because I think the offensive line is where it all starts,
and if they can't get that right, it's going to

(42:12):
be a really long year.

Speaker 1 (42:13):
So Zach falls that up.

Speaker 3 (42:14):
What is your biggest fear? And Paul I would suggest
the biggest fear. While it's easy to say the offensive line,
it's that the biggest thing that you have hoped for
and you're excited about Drake May, your biggest fear is
that the rest of the team isn't ready to help
Drake May. That That's what I would say would be
my biggest fear.

Speaker 1 (42:31):
Yeah, like variations of things around Drake En, the skill
position players, variations. I would say probably if I was
gonna say my biggest fear, I would say that May
isn't ready Like we're seeing success just strictly based on
is god given ability, but when he needs to game plan,

(42:53):
read a defense, and attack the adjustments that he's not
ready for, that that would be my biggest fear. Like
this is like for him, this isn't anything like what
he's going to see in the regular season game tonight. Collinsworth,
I thought made that abundantly clear despite declaring him the
People's champion in the first quarter, I thought he several

(43:13):
times said how the Patriots was sort of playing a
little bit harder and with more intensity than the Commanders were.
So that would be my biggest fear. If I had
to say my biggest hope beyond you know, beyond the
obvious of may, I would say, like reason for optimism.
I kind of think that their defensive coaching staff looks

(43:37):
like they have an idea, Like they look like they're
pretty multiple in some of the things that they do,
and they've been aggressive and they've disguised some things. I
think they've really swum to the ball in the preseason
in every game, I thought they had a lot of
a lot of hats around the ball, Mike, they thought,
you know that kind of stuff. So it looks like
DeMarcus Covington. You know, I think I think he had

(44:00):
strong summer. Is that does that?

Speaker 7 (44:01):
Is that?

Speaker 1 (44:02):
Like I don't know, Yeah, that's too much, I know,
too optimistic.

Speaker 5 (44:05):
No, I mean I like from my perspective, I like
seeing the aggressiveness that they're going to bring. But again,
I just I worry about the pass rush. I really do.
I mean I think that, you know, it's not my
biggest worry. I mean, my biggest worry is just that
there just isn't anything around May yet. I mean, if
that's the realization that, like, man, we don't We thought
we had a couple of things at least, and we
don't even maybe not even have those. But if you

(44:28):
got beyond the May of it all, I think the
worst is the defense and just are they going to
be able to get after pass rusher without sending you know,
seven guys sometimes three guys other times? Can they just
win with a four man rush consistently? I think that's
going to be a stretch this year.

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Speaker 7 (45:09):
The games, came out here and UH and tried to compete.

Speaker 17 (45:12):
You know, anytime you have over one hundred and fifty yards,
it's this undisciplined football and we just got to do
a better job with that. My message to the team was, hey,
look they all count now, and so you know, go
get your your rehab and your preventative care and rest
your minds. But it's time to go and hopefully we're
all in the same page going forward.

Speaker 1 (45:29):
Earn some of the guys who started.

Speaker 8 (45:38):
UH.

Speaker 17 (45:38):
We just played the guys that we thought needed to
have more live uh live action, and that's the way
we approached it.

Speaker 7 (45:47):
Now, that was that was the plan.

Speaker 17 (45:49):
We're gonna play Jacobe a series or two and and
get Drake in. He would have been able to continue.
I talked to him that we'll tomorrow. You always feel
a little bit more sore the next day. But he
said he was good. We'll we'll, we'll find out tomorrow.
I think it is a concern. I think that the

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biggest concern for me. It's not the exercise of what
they do. It's just the lack of discipline that they
showed today.

Speaker 13 (46:16):
Uh.

Speaker 7 (46:16):
And that's on that's on all of us. That's on me.
It starts with me.

Speaker 17 (46:19):
I gotta be more uh diligent and getting on those
guys about pre snap penalties, and the rest of the
coaches have to do the same thing, but the players
also have to take responsibility for those pre snap penalties. Look,
the referees, they did a good job. They've warned us
multiple times. We talked, then we got flagged and they
just kept on the flag because we didn't adjust. And
one thing you know I've learned around here is we'll

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do businesses. Business is being done and if you see
them calling those type of players, you got a self
correct and get better.

Speaker 7 (46:46):
So we just didn't do that tonight. The progress.

Speaker 17 (46:55):
I mean, look, it's I tell the guys all all
the time, every single day.

Speaker 7 (47:00):
We just have to get better. Obviously, we have to
gel as a unit.

Speaker 17 (47:03):
Uh that's one of those units where you gotta be
close on the field and off the field and build
that trust. And it's the process that we're we're continuing
to go through.

Speaker 12 (47:10):
Heading into game.

Speaker 7 (47:11):
You have mentioned that you expected to the decision to
night is still yeah.

Speaker 17 (47:19):
Yeah, you know. Look, I mean that's always the goal.
And as I always say, I reserve the right to
change my mind. Uh and saying that, Look, we gotta
watch the film. We get in at three o'clock in
the morning, so uh no, we'll see. We'll see if
I can get through all the film on the plane design, Yeah,

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it was about design once again, guys that need live action.
Same thing with Marcus Jones getting them out there, guys
that need live action. That that was the mentality going
into the game.

Speaker 7 (47:47):
And uh it. I was happy to see him out there.

Speaker 4 (47:51):
Injury tonight.

Speaker 14 (47:51):
I think it just raises the possibility that if he's
the starter week one, that could have the regular season?

Speaker 4 (47:57):
Would Drake Nan play if your Kob's.

Speaker 17 (48:01):
Uh, I would like to sit here and say one
hundred percent, he's our second best quarterback on our roster
right now, rights or next question, I'm not sure. I'm
not sure until I until I watched the FEN. Look,
I'm not concerned about the well, look, I'm concerned about
every position. And then I would say Elliott and myself

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and the rest of the staff, our job is to always,
you know, look for better players, will be very active
on the waiver wire. There'll be some good football players
out there on the street, and look, we'll try to
get this team better.

Speaker 7 (48:34):
Tonight.

Speaker 17 (48:35):
Sorry, Yeah, I think he showed great poise. He went
out there. You know, his quarterback rating was a m
U a hundred or something like that. He made plays
like he was in control of the offense and did
a good job for us. Uh Na, I don't have
an update. He'll get it to my at some point tomorrow.

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But A Seriously, I'm not sure. I wish I could
tell you. I I'm just not sure with the with
the line.

Speaker 4 (49:03):
Performance impact your decision on went.

Speaker 7 (49:06):
To play Drake NC, which.

Speaker 17 (49:10):
We all we always say, Look, the best players are
gonna play, no matter if it's a quarterback or a
offensive line it it doesn't matter.

Speaker 7 (49:15):
We're gonna play the best players. How frustrating was it.

Speaker 1 (49:19):
A series that they go over.

Speaker 5 (49:20):
The offensive line after one heavy illegal formation? You seem
like you were a demonstrative and pretty much pointing it
out and then it happened to run again.

Speaker 3 (49:27):
How frustrating.

Speaker 7 (49:28):
Yeah, it's very frustrating. And and once again, you know
it's it starts with me.

Speaker 17 (49:33):
I just gotta get on those guys more in practice
about some of that stuff that I think the most
frustrating part was after you've been told that you have
to move up, that they continue to line up the
same way. I would say, some of those calls. I mean,
I don't know, but you know, you look at the
pictures and we were we were, uh, definitely.

Speaker 7 (49:50):
Deep specifically about well the point of emphasis.

Speaker 17 (49:56):
They always give you a warning like the tackles are
too far back and things like that, and we had
those warnings and we didn't.

Speaker 7 (50:01):
Take heat and they took the flag.

Speaker 1 (50:03):
Is the thumb on that if the tackles ahead is.

Speaker 7 (50:08):
They line up, they line up off of the guards.

Speaker 17 (50:10):
And then I would also say, depending on you know,
who's out there referend they all see a little bit different.
Once again, the most frustrating part was, this is how
they're calling the this is how they're calling your alignment.

Speaker 7 (50:23):
Let's make those adjustments.

Speaker 1 (50:24):
You sorry from the decision. How grati flight has been
to seat right? Make it a tough one.

Speaker 17 (50:29):
Uh, it's it's been great, you know, once again, just
his overall steadiness and being able to come into work
every single day and get better.

Speaker 7 (50:36):
Uh, it's been great to see.

Speaker 5 (50:38):
Did you have anywhere keep.

Speaker 4 (50:40):
Going on with his hand looked just looked like he
was kind of looking down at his hands.

Speaker 7 (50:43):
That were most of all three Uh, I'm not sure.
I didn't. I didn't see that.

Speaker 1 (50:48):
Practices and three preseason games on conference.

Speaker 11 (50:51):
Are you now going forward?

Speaker 5 (50:52):
The Stuarts off two weeks from now, getting since that.

Speaker 17 (50:56):
Yeah, look we'll be ready to go. We're gonna go
into a hostile environment. We have things to work on.
We're gonna watch this film, we'll grade the film, we'll
make roster moves and decisions as we see fit, and
we're gonna try to put the best New England Patriots
team we can. Again, Cinci thanks us.

Speaker 3 (51:13):
Well as a veteran of maybe many bad Patriot looking games,
dismal performances and a lot of grunting and snorting and
everything like that. I know we're only three games into
the draw to Mayo Era and it's preseason. He had
a lot to say after that game that is really
quite surprising. He was pretty candid. He was very candid

(51:37):
about the penalties. He was very honest some of his
comments about the quarterback situation. There's a lot to unpack
here out of this press conference. It was only what
eight minutes or so, but there was a lot there.

Speaker 1 (51:49):
I thout Mike. Mike had a good observation.

Speaker 5 (51:51):
What was your reaction, Mike, I just feel like you're
starting to see jirow Mayo realize what it's like to
be a head coach. And you know, I mean, and
he was fully as we got into this. You know, it's,
oh it's great, we're all getting along now, and you know,
hey we got Drake Mayn and it feels good. You know,
it's you know, every game things happen, it's problems. I mean,
I thought when he was talking about the tackles lining
up off the line, it was agitated, Like I mean,

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you know, you're just starting to see him get a
little frustrated.

Speaker 7 (52:15):
And I like that, don't you.

Speaker 1 (52:18):
It was agitated with his team like that's like you know,
he said, you know, we watched the picture, we looked
at the pictures after which they were deep. Like you know,
so many times you've sort of seen a belligerence like yeah,
that's what they called. Yeah, yeah's that's what they call
when they're calling like that. No, like Gerard is telling you,

(52:39):
my idiot. They gave us a warning. We didn't heed
the warning, and we looked at the pictures later and
it saw they were deep businesses.

Speaker 3 (52:46):
His business is done.

Speaker 1 (52:47):
Yeah, you know, so I thought that was interesting that
he was as critical and let's listen, ten penalties one
hundred and fifty seven yards is not a coach in
football anywhere that would have would accept that as as
the norm.

Speaker 5 (52:59):
I myself wondering what it all means, because you know,
it's the sloppiness has been a feature throughout camp, and
I think early on I felt like camp, new offense,
new coaches, you know, mistakes, it's a feature of this
team right now, and you know, you are who you are.
And like I said earlier, what's this going to look

(53:20):
like when they get into the game, are they going
to be you know, I just I'm struggling to see
why they can't get the little things right because it's
not a talented team. And if they can't get the
little things right then, you know, how can they hope
to really start to build?

Speaker 3 (53:34):
Didn't Austin Hoopers say that like week one of camp. Yeah, yeah,
that's a guy that's.

Speaker 5 (53:38):
Been around running.

Speaker 1 (53:39):
He can be a cross country team or we can
be a football team. Right, I'd rather be a football team.

Speaker 7 (53:43):
Right.

Speaker 1 (53:45):
And the other thing that really caught our ears when
we were listening to Mayo was Phil Perry's question directly
about you know, so you know Preset got banged up tonight,
if he's out, and I like the way said that.
Phil asked the question like that, we know there's no
question about who's starting, So if that would have happened
an opening weekend and Brissette goes down, are you comfortable

(54:08):
with Drake may playing? And the answer, well, I know,
like I'd like to think that he's our second best quarterback.
And then Phil Perry asked the follow up, is that
a yes? Next question? So I think that he's really
weighing this. I think Matt's sort of theory about Bailey

(54:29):
Zappi is probably still in play, Like there's a possibility
that if it's not Zappy, it's going to be someone else.
And then if it's if it's someone else it would
have to be somebody with knowledge of the system because
I'm not sure. I'm not sure they want to play
Drake may A for him. If they feel he's ready again,

(54:49):
I would be playing them like I would live with
the mistakes and I'd be playing them. But I don't
think they feel that way. And then, b do they
feel like he's going to get protected to the point
where you can have him out there safely?

Speaker 7 (55:00):
Yeah?

Speaker 13 (55:01):
It was.

Speaker 3 (55:02):
It was kind of eye opening, I thought.

Speaker 1 (55:04):
Because I saw that, I saw that answer that you
wrote it down the second best quarterback right now. I
saw that on Twitter, but no one put the fault
to me. The follow up was the telling part of that. Absolutely,
When Phil asks is that a yes? And he says,
next question, that's telling me that he's not definitively telling
you that he would feel comfortable with may playing as
the backup.

Speaker 3 (55:26):
Yeah, did he do?

Speaker 13 (55:26):
You?

Speaker 14 (55:27):
Did?

Speaker 3 (55:27):
You guys get to take away that all we're waiting
for is a formality. Jacoby Brissett starting against Cincinnati?

Speaker 13 (55:33):
Was that?

Speaker 3 (55:33):
Is that a fatal company?

Speaker 5 (55:35):
I mean then I read that right, I mean I
felt that way all along. I think that's the direction
we're headed in unless there's a you know, a complete
shock and they decided to just screw it, let's go
with the kid.

Speaker 1 (55:44):
But the other part there, Paul, did you do you
feel the same way I do? But I want to
just give a little caveat Like I did, feel like
there was a little bit of an edge to Mayo
tonight that we haven't really seen yet.

Speaker 7 (55:56):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (55:58):
And Mike, I think accurately, said, yeah, I know everything
has been great, you know, and you're telling us how great,
you know, how transparent you are.

Speaker 3 (56:05):
Well, all of a.

Speaker 1 (56:06):
Sudden you have some things that maybe you don't necessarily
want to get into, and you don't find it as fun. That's,
you know, kind of the way I look. I wonder
if there's some trepidation on his part with Brissette's health
and you know, like he well, he says, fine, you know,
we'll see what it feels like tomorrow. Sometimes you're a
little bit more sore the day after. I wonder if
he has some reservation. You know, what are we going

(56:27):
to it? If this guy's not ready to go again Cincinnati?
What are we going to do?

Speaker 7 (56:32):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (56:32):
How am I not going to play may Then? I
think it's kind of clear to you a point, Matt
that he doesn't want to play may yet.

Speaker 3 (56:37):
He doesn't want to play may And I think he
pretty much said that, you know, hey, yeah, he might
be a little bit sore, but I think it's full
steam ahead with Jacobe.

Speaker 4 (56:44):
I agree.

Speaker 1 (56:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (56:45):
Now the other thing that he said, which I think,
Paul your I widened a little bit. I don't think
the news on City So's very good.

Speaker 1 (56:52):
I'm a little worried about the City So situation. You know,
you know, you said that Chris Price reported that he
was in a walking boat. Mayo was talking to what
MRIs MRIs are about ligaments and whatnot, tendons.

Speaker 3 (57:06):
That's not a high ankle sprain.

Speaker 1 (57:08):
It could be, but I think it could be. I
think it could be more serious than that.

Speaker 5 (57:11):
Yeah, I'd just say to my point of Mail, I
like this, I like this coming out of him, Like
I think this is I was kind of ready to
get out of the honeymoon phase, like I want, you know,
I want him to face the challenges and you know,
to be that serious kind of perturbed guy. But at
the same time, it's just as you go forward, I
can't help. But you know, see what Bill took from
his first coaching experience in Cleveland and then what he

(57:33):
took to hear and granted he took it to the extreme.
And I'd much rather listen to Jiraw Mayo, you know,
dance around these things. But you can see he has
to dance, you know. And and how do I say this?
And I mean, just to hear next question out of
him felt like, oh, you know, like I haven't really
heard that before. You know, it's always like, you know,
it's always kind of I've heard that from him from
not from Oh, that's what I mean. I mean, you've heard.

Speaker 1 (57:54):
I'm just saying you've heard, you heard, Drew.

Speaker 5 (57:57):
But so gave you the most famous next question of
all true next question.

Speaker 3 (58:01):
I was gonna say eight five pats five hundred is
our number.

Speaker 6 (58:05):
Here.

Speaker 3 (58:05):
Let's go to Trent in Florida, who has been waiting patiently. Trent,
you're on Patriot's postgame show.

Speaker 12 (58:13):
How are y'all doing?

Speaker 7 (58:13):
Thanks for taking my call, Trent.

Speaker 12 (58:18):
My concern is the defense going in the week one
after losing ball more and say, Dudon, do you think
that we could see uj or Jimmy step up to
pressure the quarterback? And Week one?

Speaker 3 (58:33):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (58:33):
Better, hope so because I don't know who else is
going to do it.

Speaker 3 (58:36):
Tell you what, it's really incredible with all the talk
on the offense, how little discussion has been put with
the defense, and there's just an assumption out there that
they're going to roll the balls out and everything's gonna
be great.

Speaker 5 (58:49):
I mean, I don't I don't have that assumption.

Speaker 3 (58:51):
I mean, I do you feel like most people do?

Speaker 1 (58:54):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (58:54):
I mean I almost just feel like it's more under
the radar. And I mean I was somebody was on
the radio this weekend. I don't even know what a
pulse channels. He probably one of these voices yelling at me,
but they were like, oh, you know, what do you
think about the defense? Well, I think you know, Kyle
Duggar rise I'm like, what, like Kyle dugger rise up
to like be one of the top tens, Like I
don't care about that, Like, I mean, you have no

(59:15):
pass rush now?

Speaker 1 (59:16):
I think was it Trent was the caller?

Speaker 8 (59:18):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (59:18):
I think he's right, Like, where where do they turn
to to get some pressure? I think is a guy
that can get some pressure? I'm not I think Jennings.
Jennings could be a blitzer but he's not going to
win as a pass rusher very often. But he could
sort of take advantage of some opportunities as a blitzer
and come free. But they're gonna need to find ways,
you know, daniel Lequale White, you know again, he's a

(59:43):
power guy, like he's not going to beat you necessarily
with any moves. Can they find a way to get
enough pressure in the pass or without having to sell
out to do it?

Speaker 3 (59:52):
Now?

Speaker 1 (59:53):
So far in the summer, it looks like they need
to kind of be creative to do it.

Speaker 5 (59:56):
Yep, yep. I mean then I would not to pitch
him the hope of everything. But I think Ziminez is
he's rushed in the league. He was part of Wink
Martindale's you know, crazy defense with the Giants, which blitz heavy.
You just hope he has some some swag, some moves
to him. I mean, so many of these guys are
just straightforward, and as I said before, I just I
don't see the one on one pass rush winners. And

(01:00:19):
so no matter how good of a season or bad
of a season, Christian Gonzalez and Jonathan Jones have nobody's
gonna cover forever. If these guys you know, can't get
after the quarterback with four guys, It's it's gonna be
a long season.

Speaker 3 (01:00:30):
And it's a test right out of the shoot with
Joe Burrow presumably Jamar Chase, who was back practicing decent
offensive line in Cincinnati hostile environment, as Gerrodmeo said, not
an easy test. Nope, back to the phone lines. Bad
Kevin is on the air next with Patriots postgame show. Hi, Kevin.

Speaker 4 (01:00:48):
Haves a gone good.

Speaker 6 (01:00:51):
So the first thing that I've got is I'm gonna
I'm a high school football coach, and I get that
that means absolutely nothing when it comes to the NFL.
But one of my friends is one of our assistant
football coaches, and he's a Kansas City Chiefs fan, and
he has told me since April that we need to

(01:01:12):
sit Drake May. And then it finally dawned on me
that he is saying that because they had Alex Smith,
not Jacoby Brissett as the quarterback to get Patrick Mahomes ready.
After watching tonight's game, I think Drake May week one,

(01:01:36):
let's go. That's my first point. My second point is
the points of emphasis.

Speaker 13 (01:01:41):
Thing.

Speaker 6 (01:01:41):
We listen to officials all the time in the preseason
at the Illinois High School Association talking about what they're
going to, talk about what they're going to do, and
by week three nobody cares. I think our offensive line
issues with the illegal procedures or illegal for masons. I

(01:02:05):
think that's something that's going to go way, especially when
the top teams like the Bills or the Chiefs are
doing the same thing and nobody cares. Those are just
my thoughts. Thanks for taking my culf, all.

Speaker 3 (01:02:16):
Right, thanks Kevin. You know what he might be onto
something as far as the preseason rash of flags, Like,
I'm not trying to take him off the hook, and
I think it's semi embarrassing that they were repeat offenders.
But maybe it was a point of emphasis. Maybe it
does get drilled down to win the preseason and you
get it and you won't see that happen. But they're
all of a sudden not going to turn into anthony munials.

Speaker 1 (01:02:37):
Can I just say, like they haven't had any of
those in the first two games. If it was a
point of emphasis, it was only the point of emphasis
in the national televised game on the last one. Yeah, yeah,
Like I might be looking for a Yeah, I think
that's kind of wishful thinking on bad Kevin's part. The
other part. I mean, I'm in on May because I
just don't feel like the alternative is there, and I

(01:03:00):
would rather have him learn on the on the fly,
you know, and go from there. Now, I am not
and we've talked about this a little bit. I'm not
a big Well, you can't put him in and then
take him out. No, if you don't think it's safe
that he's out there, if he's you know, you think
he's under duress and you might be doing more harm

(01:03:21):
than good by all means, take him out. But at
this point, I really don't see the offense succeeding without
his ability to make plays like out of nothing like
he did tonight.

Speaker 5 (01:03:33):
It's just hard when you're watching Jacoby Brissette and you're
just waiting for Drake May, right, I mean, it's that's
what you want to see, and I can't imagine what
that's going to be like in a regular season game,
being like, all right, come on, let's just get through
this one. You know, Like I think if you were
going into this game week one with Drake May as
the starter, I'd be a lot more excited than all right, well,
let's see how it goes with Jacoby Brissette. I mean,

(01:03:53):
that's kind of how you feel going into it.

Speaker 3 (01:03:55):
Right, And I'm going to get to an email here
in a second, but I just at the risk of
putting on the Patriots glasses here, they haven't had a
chance to game plan We know they want to run.
They said they want to run two tight ends, play
action stuff like that. Maybe before we consider this just
a complete disaster, can we see them try to do
some of that and see if it works before we

(01:04:16):
see what's going on. Let's go to the email and
Emory Rights. Kane Wallace was a top seventy five pick
who started forty games at right tackle for a major
college program. It's concerning to me that they resorted to
bumping win Who out of position again rather than starting
walls against Washington's backups. Do you think it's worth just
letting Wallace play and develop, Aul.

Speaker 5 (01:04:37):
I mean it's a similar question to May kind of.

Speaker 1 (01:04:39):
Yeah, it's different than May because of obviously not the stakes.
But yeah, I think I keep saying, in a perfect world,
made ready when you want to Wallace and Robinson are
in the lineup and in the starting lineup. Neither one
of them looks ready to play. And again, I know
the stakes aren't as high and the spotlight's not as

(01:04:59):
bright because of obvious reasons. It's not the same position,
not the same position. But you know, Robinson was getting
pushed around tonight, and I have I do not think
Wallace has really look good at all. I don't know
how you feel, Mike. I feel like, especially when he's
on the left side, he gets beat wide very easily
in practice and he's getting penalties. He looks like he's

(01:05:21):
having a hard time.

Speaker 5 (01:05:22):
Yeah, I mean it's it's he started out I think
what starting left tackle with initially maybe, and it's just
kind of been a slow decline in snaps and an attention.
And it doesn't even really a good point.

Speaker 8 (01:05:34):
I know.

Speaker 1 (01:05:34):
It's when who getting kicked out to right tackle in
a preseason game when you knew the other team wasn't
playing anybody like that? To me, was that was telling?

Speaker 3 (01:05:45):
Well, the story of the night appears to be Drake May.
Let's go to the Drake May press conferences with the
press conferences are presented by Microsoft Surface.

Speaker 8 (01:05:54):
You step forward, Yeah, you know, I think I felt
feel being out there I think the biggest thing is
is just hurting ourselves offensively, stalling drives and penalties, and
I gotta get us out of huddle play faster. Other
than that, I had a snap on the ground, a
little things like that. Gotta clean up. But at the
same time, it's good learning experience for us and uh

(01:06:17):
get ready for you know, when things are you're you'll
start counting, so.

Speaker 11 (01:06:22):
That can call back.

Speaker 1 (01:06:23):
Unfortunately on that penalty take.

Speaker 11 (01:06:25):
Us through that.

Speaker 8 (01:06:27):
Yeah, uh, I think they went cloud. We had kind
of a high low concept for the left IM. I
was trying to work backside and ended up getting outside
of the pocket and I think it would have been
close if I pass the line. It was definitely real close.
I'm not sure the team copy looked like but uh yeah,
kJ just making him play and you know, bumber got
called back. But just the same thing, you know, hurting
ourselves and in a two minute drive you can't do that.

(01:06:48):
I think on the first trick to go in the game,
the field for a touch on what was working for
you guys to feel like, Yeah, I think the guys
are just doing their jobs. I think that's the biggest
thing executing. Next the players that we practice all week,
you know, finding guys, my job to get the ball
to them, and you know, just you know again you know,
backed up and we had to snap, you know a
little snap and probably should have caught it. And uh,

(01:07:10):
I just I think we were second and eighteen from there.
Just can't you know, shoot ourselves on the foot, you know,
a little things like that. He'll get a good football team.
You're like, like, we got lucky tonight, so just gotta
start better.

Speaker 7 (01:07:21):
How much a.

Speaker 6 (01:07:21):
Different do you feel that you are now as opposed
to when this training camp started?

Speaker 8 (01:07:25):
Yeah, I think it's uh, you know, think it's an
awesome training camp, not only to get to see our defense,
but the mixing other differences and go out there and
play and you know, feeling like getting hit. I think, uh,
I think we're getting there. I think it's been fun
out there with some of the rooks. You know, JP
Mason plays to night. I'm sitting over there on the corner.
Just get some of the rookies together. And you know,
Fire Layden was in a right guards so just kind
of kind of mulling, kind of find our groove. So uh,

(01:07:46):
you know, spending this awesome camping, you know, spending a lot.
It's been tough to our rookie season has been long.
We've been going at it, you know, since before the raft.
So uh just looking forward to, you know, getting see
what the NFL seasons like.

Speaker 5 (01:07:58):
A couple times away from center stepped on one.

Speaker 8 (01:08:02):
Fi Yeah he yeah, I'm just trying to shuld a snap.
I could get out of there. Uh, but also I
think the big dude, uh the nose type I think
ninety one was number it is a good player, so
uh the uh get out of there faster, and you
know next to him, you know, a heck of job
fighting in there, So UH could get away from center.

Speaker 3 (01:08:17):
With the whole snaps.

Speaker 4 (01:08:19):
What's the issue on that?

Speaker 8 (01:08:21):
Yeah, I F I just think you know what it's
you know, when you practice, you know, pre game and
uh over on the side, that's little different than whenbody's
up there right against you. So uh we figured something
out and think uh on the sideline after that first
drive and and from there on we're we were uh
it just kind of it felt good something trade on
the uh question of jail or just what did you
see there on that play? Yeah? Uh, I just had
a high low crossing concept, you know, jp'd a nice

(01:08:43):
job even through traffic and you have to try to
give him a good ball and and catch him run
from there. So I think he does a nice job,
you know, mixing up different spots with JP, you know,
playing outside inside over inside at night and does a
good job is getting open. So my job's getting the
rock and let him.

Speaker 4 (01:08:57):
Do his thing. Would you feel ready to play?

Speaker 12 (01:09:00):
People want to?

Speaker 8 (01:09:01):
Yeah, yeah, I feel what if you're ready? And I'm
thinking I'm you're ready for whoever this football team asking
me and ready to get there and uh try to
help us be the Bengals week one? How much do
you think you Yeah, I think you know command the
huddle is you know Houston for quarterback. I feel I'm
getting there, you know s and kind of trying to

(01:09:22):
improve every week.

Speaker 4 (01:09:23):
Uh.

Speaker 8 (01:09:23):
I think you know one things in the side I
wanna off, Slimber said, I just go in there. I
speak real fast. I kind of do here media too, Uh,
just gotta slow down sometimes just hearing the play and
kind of you know, look around and and like I said,
a little command of huddle.

Speaker 4 (01:09:36):
Uh.

Speaker 8 (01:09:36):
Butter than that, I feel like you could have my
eyes on playcock well and it just kind of you know,
hurrying guys up to try to get to playoff.

Speaker 1 (01:09:44):
Games kind of what if you learned now basically.

Speaker 8 (01:09:48):
As Yeah, Uh, biggest thing playing probably learn is just
you know, just next play mentality.

Speaker 7 (01:09:53):
You know you'll take it. You know what.

Speaker 8 (01:09:54):
It's a good play, bad play, play you wish you
have back, you know, had few of those at night. Uh,
move on to the next play. It's the next play
a you know type of league. It's next week type league.
You know, in this in the NFL's I'm learning and uh,
you know, other than that, just enjoy it, you know,
have fun. You know it's it's sad, and you know
what the reality is some of these guys, I mean,
especially these rookies are gonna be gone. Uh you know,
come next week and just enjoy those days. You know,

(01:10:14):
with those guys, you're creating great memories and enjoy the
times out here with with the with the fellas.

Speaker 3 (01:10:19):
Dhere you're talking to last week, you mentioned just pre
snap like the tools at your disposal, especially pressure and
things like that.

Speaker 6 (01:10:28):
How do you feel like you've come along in that area?

Speaker 8 (01:10:31):
Yeah, I think it's huge in this offense, you know,
especially when we're not out here and preaches with some
vanilla looks, you know, especially pressure wise. You know, fucking
smart kid that can. You know, did a lot of
you know, protection stuff in college. You remember my center,
It was all on us protection wise, and I thought
we did a good job and not having free runners
you know, back there. But it's a different kind of
league here now. They try to scheam me up. So
you have to definitely the tools, different tools to protect

(01:10:52):
myself and really protect the offense. I felt I'm getting there.
I've done you know a few of them in practice,
so trying and working through them and see different looks
each week. So thank you. Thanks.

Speaker 3 (01:11:01):
All right, that was Drake May with the media after
the twenty to ten lost to Washington tonight. I'll start
with the takeaway. I think Drake shows a decent amount
of poise there nothing you have to rattle him or anything. Yeah,
I don't know that he says much. There's one thing
I wrote down. Somebody asked him, I don't know who
you're intrepid, you know, all your note all buddies and

(01:11:22):
everything like that. They asked him, would you feel ready
to play if you're asked to starting in Cincinnati? And
Drake May said I would feel ready to play. Yeah,
I don't. I mean, I don't know what else you
would say.

Speaker 1 (01:11:32):
Yeah, But I just like in the middle of the press,
I just I just like him. He's a likable guy.

Speaker 3 (01:11:38):
Yes, yeah, kid, I mean I liked.

Speaker 5 (01:11:41):
I just interesting hearing him talk about I talked too
fast in the huddle. I got it, you know, I
mean talk too fast with y'all in the media, to
talk too faster than Phosker, Right, But now he's a
he's a good kid. I mean, look, it's I think
this year is going to be about Drake May setting
a foundation both on the field and off the field,
and you know, learning how to playing in the NFL
and learning how to handle press conferences like this. And

(01:12:04):
it's not an easy start for him. You know, there's
not getting a lot of help, and I think everybody's
kind of focused on him being you know, like the
guiding light of the team right now, and that's what
we're trying to hang on to. But I just I
just really want them to give him some support so
he can make the most of this year and it's
not just a burnt year. Whether he you know, gets
in early, gets in late, whatever, it might be this
really needs to be a good year for him.

Speaker 1 (01:12:24):
That he takes a lot from another thing that I
would say will endear him to his teammates. A couple
of you know, problems with snaps, and he's taking responsibility
for him, he said. And I think he's right in
this particular case. But I've heard a lot of guys
not take take accountability. I think he felt like he
should have handled the low snap, and that one was

(01:12:45):
more on Leverett, but I thought he should have handled it.
And then it looked to me like the snap under
center definitely came up and he didn't handle it. And
he said it, you know, I got to do a
better job on that. You know, with sometimes you're taking
the snaps pregame, it's not the same as having a
guy right up there on you. So then he talked
about it like those are this is these are drive
killers right here, Like more than likely that play right

(01:13:07):
there on first and ten is ending that drive right
right now? You ended up, you know, he scrambled on
third and fourteen and was able to get a first down.
I don't think you can live that way. And he
knows it. He's already smart enough to know that all right.

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Speaker 3 (01:16:10):
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Speaker 5 (01:16:39):
That connects.

Speaker 3 (01:16:40):
Very important week coming up for the Patriots. They're going
to travel back. As coach Mayo said three o'clock, they're
going to try to grade the tape cut down day
is Tuesday. The one of the Patriots' biggest charitable endeavors
is on Wednesday, where the whole team required attendance. They
present the Ron Burton Community Service Award on Wednesday. They'll
get a couple of day off, as I think is

(01:17:01):
UH mandated in the collective bargaining agreement, and they get
ready to play the Cincinnati Bengals. What do you expect
Paul this week to look like? What are the things
you know that most interest you as this week rolls
into well roll into this week.

Speaker 1 (01:17:16):
Obviously, the you know, the roster cutdowns on Tuesday are
always interesting, you know, for everybody. But the thing I'm
going to be most looking looking at is when they
get back on the practice field, what we see out
of Jacoby Brissett. Is he full full go? Does he
continue to be QB one to use Mayo's term that

(01:17:37):
I hate. Is he the starter and is he getting
all the reps? Is he physically ready to go? And
that will tell us a lot. You know, I don't
know if if if Gerrod's going to tell us what
the decision is. I'm sure he'll have that decision by say,
Monday night.

Speaker 3 (01:17:52):
He indicated that, you know, in all likelihood, I think
he said that they expect their name it started Monday
night Press. Do you expect that?

Speaker 13 (01:17:58):
Or No?

Speaker 1 (01:18:00):
I think when when I think that the next time
when he's going to probably talk about so, then we
don't talk to him again until Wednesday.

Speaker 3 (01:18:08):
He'll do w E I I believe on Tuesday.

Speaker 1 (01:18:10):
Yeah, I don't think he'll announce it on wee I,
but you know, stranger things have happened. It is a
new era, right.

Speaker 3 (01:18:15):
Mike Paul mentions the cutdown day on Tuesday, And I
know we touched on this a little bit in the
pregame show. Can we pump the brakes for Patriot fans
out there who think the Tuesday is going to be
the day when Mana falls from heaven and all of
a sudden, Anthony Munos is going to drop in their lap. No,
but that's not going to happen.

Speaker 5 (01:18:30):
No, but I was going to say, I mean, before
you even teed this question up, I think new faces.
I mean, I think, you know, how much do they
really believe in these guys? Do they you know, believe
one hundred percent. And you know what they've been telling
us that if a Darian Lowe keeps playing there, you know,
and I'm not saying that the answers are out there,
but I think it would at least give you some
sense of where they think the problem areas are, where
their depth isn't quite good enough. Of course, those things

(01:18:51):
are all dependent on who gets released. I mean, you
can't manufacture players like that, but I would I would
expect I think by the time we get out there
on Wednesday, that that there might could be at least
I practice squad aside. I'm sure there'll be a bunch
of new fate, but I bet there's maybe a couple
of new players on the on the fifty three man.

Speaker 3 (01:19:06):
Maybe it's two or three, don't you think I do?

Speaker 4 (01:19:08):
I do?

Speaker 5 (01:19:09):
I mean, I would say offensive defensive line are probably
the spots.

Speaker 3 (01:19:12):
Okay, Paul, Mike and I think we're surprised a little
bit by by this person tonight as we try to
look at you know, people who might be ball out
on the bubble might do so kind of people hasty tonight.
You thought he had made the team. He didn't do
anything tonight to make you think any differently.

Speaker 1 (01:19:30):
No, I thought he I thought he played well. I
thought I think that he looks like a guy that's
very comfortable catching a lot of passes. So to me, yeah,
you have to have I mean, I'm like a running
back gist. You guys all know that you know your
former against them. I'm against them, okay, right, but you
and the rest of the league. Right, But even even

(01:19:53):
even stubborn guys like me would have to say, but
you have to have some right, right, Like you can't
just have Romind Stevenson and Antonio Gibson and say well
that's it. So I think I think Hasty is pretty
I would be surprised if he's not a lock.

Speaker 3 (01:20:07):
And you like Hasty over Harris.

Speaker 1 (01:20:09):
Yeah, I think he's more versatile.

Speaker 5 (01:20:11):
Yeah, I do too. And I mean I would ask
maybe the guys in the back to cook up maybe
a couple of Terrell Jennings highlights perps because I thought, again,
he ran hard. I mean six carries thirty six yards
along I had a thirteen run. I mean he runs hard.
He broke a ton of tackles in college. You talk
about things I want to see this week, I want
to see him get to the practice squad. I want
to see him hang on to this kid. You know
how injuries can be at the running back position. But

(01:20:34):
you know, I just I like how he moves. I
like how he runs. I think he's an all around
interesting back and like to keep him around. Good lean,
good lean. I like it said, look at hm dragon guys.
I mean, how can you not. That's what this last
pro preseason you know, game is about. It's about players
like this dragging other players and making their case for
a Russer spot.

Speaker 3 (01:20:51):
Different body type maybe than some of the other backs.

Speaker 5 (01:20:53):
Do you think I think he's big.

Speaker 1 (01:20:55):
Yeah, he's big. I mean he's a good mix of
I like Jennings. I like Jennings too.

Speaker 5 (01:20:59):
It's one of those ones where there's not a lot,
you know. I mean he's I mean, he's had some
pretty good runs in the preseason. But it's not like
I can sit there and tell you, Oh, every day
in practice he's you know, he's getting mop up wraps.
He's not really visible, but he just continues to catch
my eye. So I don't know. Maybe he'll be out
of the league by Wednesday, but I think he has
died off.

Speaker 1 (01:21:18):
I don't think he'll be out of the league. I
think if he doesn't, if he doesn't make it, I
think he'll end up on a practice squad.

Speaker 3 (01:21:24):
Hasey and Jennings ahead of Harris.

Speaker 4 (01:21:26):
Is that how you great it?

Speaker 3 (01:21:28):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (01:21:28):
No, I probably would give Harris the edge on experience,
but I just I think Jennings has had a nice camp.
I think he's been exactly the way Mike talked about
him pretty much all all camps. He doesn't get a
lot of opportunities with frontline players, which is why I
would put Harris ahead of him. Okay, then the other
big one, I spent a nice play to night in
the touchdown too. I don't want to sell him.

Speaker 3 (01:21:49):
Really nice play. The other one that I think has
caught the fans attention is the media's attention, the entire
camp and everything like that is a kicker. Did anything
happen tonight to move you off the spot that you
might have been in? Mike as to who's going to
be the Patriots kicker when they play.

Speaker 5 (01:22:03):
The Bengals now, still, I mean, I still think it's
Joey slide by a hair. I mean, I think if
you hit that last sixty, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:22:08):
You guys, You guys left the.

Speaker 1 (01:22:09):
Room twenty four field goals. You know, you know he
missed them both. But yeah, I mean I'm not sure
that that was anything. I think he's had the better camp.

Speaker 5 (01:22:19):
Yeah, I mean Ryland. If Ryland had missed that that
short one that he hit, that might have really cemented.

Speaker 3 (01:22:24):
It made the decision easier.

Speaker 1 (01:22:26):
Yeah, I think that's why they gave him that one.

Speaker 3 (01:22:28):
Yeah, you know, but he was confidence from a confidence point.

Speaker 1 (01:22:31):
No, like, if he misses this one, you know, like
I'm not going to give him a sixty four yard
or that. If he misses it's not really fair. But
I'll give him a thirty eight yard or he's kicked
I think all the extra points.

Speaker 5 (01:22:41):
Yeah, right, you know you weren't on. You weren't here,
Paul when I brought this point up. I'd like to
bring it up in front of you because I'd be
curious your your opinion. I just I feel like there's
a little bit of an unknown with this, with how
they feel about how those two guys do kickoffs. We've
seen a lot of different kinds of kickoffs. Is it
possible that one of those guys has an edge in
the kickoff that we're not even really aware of because
we're not paying attention to it.

Speaker 1 (01:23:02):
I think that's completely out of the out of the
window now because you're trying to kick it in that
little you know target was a target area, the landing zone.
The landing zone. Just so you know, maybe some of
our listeners don't catch all the minutia. There's been sort
of a groundswell of well, you need your kicker to

(01:23:23):
be a tackler now. Gerard Mayo basically summarily laughed at
that question. Should have that was that was asked, Will
will it? Will it have any bearing you know on
the decision? No, it won't.

Speaker 5 (01:23:35):
But just in terms of the I mean, I I
was making more you're talking about the kickoff itself, but
I just see some different weird kicks and you know
it's on, but.

Speaker 1 (01:23:42):
You're just kicking it into the landing area now, So
I mean, maybe it does. I'm not I'm not dispissing you.
I'm not dismissing I just feel like if you were saying,
like there's an emphasis on touchbacks and one guy had
a bigger leg, I'd say yeah, But I think now
the emphasis is landing it in the five yard line. Yeah,
I think anybody this is kind of like, you know,

(01:24:04):
the ability to throw a football sixty yards. I think
everybody in the world can do, you know, and in
the NFL can do it. It's how fast does it
get there? Joe Milton separates himself from the rest of
the world in that regard. I think every kicker can
get the ball inside the ten yard line. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:24:17):
Well, I just I've imagining, you know, like John Gerard
coming out on like Wednesday night. Of course we kept
both kickers because I mean, you know, Chad just does
he mean, he's been so versatile with the kickoffs, and
everyone will be like.

Speaker 1 (01:24:26):
Of course, that's what's gonna happen because of what I
just said.

Speaker 5 (01:24:29):
What you know, everyone, no one's talking about that.

Speaker 3 (01:24:32):
But for the entire training camp it's been hush hush,
don't look here, media shoot, shut the cameras off because
we have to go through these special team periods. I
just wonder that maybe, you know, to justify their jobs
that special team coaches have been working on this since March.
That week one, they're gonna have some that all the
teams are gonna have something exotic, and then we figure
out that it really doesn't matter. Is it week two

(01:24:54):
that they all get boomed into the end zone?

Speaker 1 (01:24:55):
Collins Worth in Tariico. We're all over that tonight. You know,
we're gonna see some different things. I think it's a
complete director from the league to try to play up
prop up this new kickoff. We're trying to tell you
how dynamic it is. And I agree with you, Matt, Yeah,
I think if it becomes a problem for teams to cover,
and I'm not dismissing the possibility that that could happen.
You know, it's a different it's a different coverage. If

(01:25:17):
it becomes a problem, then everybody's just going to go
for the touch back anywhere.

Speaker 3 (01:25:21):
And so when do we see that?

Speaker 7 (01:25:22):
By?

Speaker 3 (01:25:22):
How many weeks? If it comes well, the dynamic kickoff
two three?

Speaker 1 (01:25:27):
Oh, I think it could go seventeen weeks if it
doesn't become a problem, Like if you can go down
and kill guys like they were tonight, Like I think
there was the only kickoff I think that got beyond
the twenty five tonight was the last one when the
game was over, you know, Otherwise, I think both both
teams returners were getting routinely knocked down early, you know,

(01:25:49):
so like if it's not a problem, just keep doing this.

Speaker 3 (01:25:51):
All right, as we're watching some of the highlights, and
great job by the guys and tape to play this
stuff literally on cues, we're doing it. Wallace is a returner.
Wallace has had a little as it had a nice
couple of bumps during camp.

Speaker 5 (01:26:03):
He's not gonna make the team, right, I know, I
mean I don't think so.

Speaker 3 (01:26:06):
A nice little story is he does he have a
shot to get to the practice squad?

Speaker 1 (01:26:11):
Well, I mean, no one's gonna claim him.

Speaker 4 (01:26:14):
I wouldn't think.

Speaker 1 (01:26:14):
Okay, if you wanted to put him on the practice squad,
I think you could.

Speaker 3 (01:26:18):
Does he get any developmental ability? I mean, do you
think he looked at the coaching staff's he's enough in
him saying I'd like to work with this kid.

Speaker 14 (01:26:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:26:24):
I think that he's the kind of guy that you
want in your practice squad because I think he has
an incredible voter. I think he's gonna be willing to
do whatever you want. I think he's going to be
versatile and be able to fill a number of different roles.
My only reservation would be like he's made a mark
as a returner he's had. Even even the last return
tonight was pretty good for him as a kickoff returner.

(01:26:46):
Do you want him returning kicks over Marcus Jones?

Speaker 4 (01:26:48):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:26:48):
Would you even want him doing a good over Jalen Rager.

Speaker 3 (01:26:51):
I don't know about that. I know you guys are
high on Raager.

Speaker 1 (01:26:53):
I'm not.

Speaker 3 (01:26:54):
I'm not.

Speaker 1 (01:26:55):
But he's a better returner than that.

Speaker 3 (01:26:57):
I'm not sure about that.

Speaker 5 (01:26:58):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:26:59):
I mean, just the fact that he took one in
the NFL for a touchdown last year, like tells me
he's better than that.

Speaker 5 (01:27:04):
I just I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:27:04):
I don't.

Speaker 5 (01:27:05):
I don't see a lot there. I think he's quick,
but that's about it, and you can find quick guys.

Speaker 3 (01:27:11):
I think Wats has had a nice little preseason. I
don't know if that's enough to get him a job
on it.

Speaker 1 (01:27:15):
I think he's had a I mean, and I say
this with all the love and respect, I think he's
had a horrific camp. Okay, he's had good returns in
every game, Yes, yes, he's had He's had at least
one really good return in every game. He's dropped a
boltload of passes and punts in practice every day, right,
up until the last one that I saw, which was Thursday.

(01:27:35):
He like double caught, dropped, misjudged. He gets in the
game and he's like Jimmy Garoppolo. Remember Jimmy Garoppolo as
rookie year, Mike, Well, you weren't here yet, but like
Jimmy Garoppolo's rookie year looked like, oh man, this guy
is light years away. Then all of a sudden, you
get on the preseason field and he was dropping touchdowns
into the bucket on the remembror of that that passed

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down the same place by the way in Washington, right Uh,
dropping die times all over the place, And I was like, Wow,
this guy's like game day Garoppolo. Maybe that's what that's
David Wallace.

Speaker 3 (01:28:05):
All right, So let's get to them. Final thoughts, Mike,
What's what are you looking for? Is the biggest takeaway
as we head into this week prior to the Labor
Day weekend and getting ready for the Cincinnati Bengals. What's
the biggest thing that you were going to keep your eye.

Speaker 5 (01:28:17):
I don't think it's sexy, but health. I mean, I
think Vederian Low, Jacoby Brissett city. So three significant pieces
and not to mention. You know the O'Shane zemenez Is
of the world, the josh ou Chays of the world,
the you know, the guys that you're gonna need to
rely on against Cincinnati. How healthy are those guys? How
ready are they to go?

Speaker 1 (01:28:35):
Paul, Yeah, I think Mike has it. I'm just gonna
say I'm going to continue to watch the obvious and
uht in May because I think now see how those
practice reps are divvied up. I'll be curious to.

Speaker 3 (01:28:45):
See you obvious for a reason.

Speaker 1 (01:28:47):
The boys. Yeah, with the boys telling us now, I
don't know if I'm going to see it. I don't
know how much we'll see.

Speaker 5 (01:28:51):
We're going to see warm up, we'll see stretch and
that's probably it.

Speaker 1 (01:28:53):
But I would think that maybe you'd see a little
of the walk through period, but I don't know.

Speaker 7 (01:28:57):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:28:58):
Well, that'll do. It puts a on the preseason. Patriots
finished the preseason one and two, and they finished one
and two with a twenty to ten loss to Washington.
Tonight for the great Matt Morel Paul Parrillo, like do
so Tamara Brown, I'm Matt Smith. The next time we
join you in the pregame show for Real will be
for Real when the Patriots traveled to take on the

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