Patriots Postgame Show 9/14: Full Analysis of Patriots Week 2 Win Over the Dolphins

Tune-in as we give our immediate reactions and analysis to the Patriots 33-27 win over the Dolphins. We go over the good, the bad and the injured and discuss key takeaways from every perspective. We take caller questions and comments on Drake Maye, the run game and more. Plus, Antonio Gibson joins us to discuss the team's first win of the season and his big-time kick return.

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in the Patriots getting a win in Miami thirty three,
twenty seven. So just right off the top reactions which happened?

Speaker 1 (01:00):
What's just happened on Mike, Let me do this. I
told you I don't know what else could have happened
in that game. I'll say this, I don't think either
one of those teams played very good football today. No,
but man, it was a lot of excitement in that
game sort of the absolute antithesis of the opener, right

(01:22):
when nothing seemed to happen. This was unreal. I mean
just a very entertaining football game, wasn't it. You know,
exceedingly well played at times by either side, but really
a lot of big plays and a lot of just
a lot of entertainment.

Speaker 5 (01:36):
That's see for me, Paul, I think this was the
craziest game I've watched since since we've been here. And
you know, admittedly we've been lulled to sleep a little
bit over the last couple of years with you know,
performances where at certain points in that game, it felt like,
all right, here's where it's going to kind of go sout,
Here's where the But I give a lot of credit
to this Patriots team. They continued to fight throughout this.
There were certainly moments where it looked bleak. I think

(01:58):
Paul's right. I mean, both teams really slow, a lot
of penalties. But overall, you gotta feel good for this
Patriots team, get their first win, for Mike Vrabel, to
win down there in Miami, to beat to a YadA
YadA YadA, all the things that we said all week, Uh,
you know how much do those things really mean. Probably
not all that much, but when you're looking at just
a new team trying to find an identity, these kind

(02:18):
of things can mean a lot.

Speaker 1 (02:19):
And I think these.

Speaker 5 (02:20):
This is something that they'll definitely be able to win
off of lots the correct for sure, but at the
same time, just a great win, a feel good win,
and happy for Mike.

Speaker 1 (02:28):
We're able to get his first as Patriots coach.

Speaker 4 (02:30):
Absolutely a big momentum winner. And I see a lot
of calls coming in, but let's start first with the good,
the bad, and the injured.

Speaker 1 (02:39):
Now it's time for.

Speaker 2 (02:40):
The good, pretty good, pretty good, the bad, and the injured.

Speaker 1 (02:48):
All right, you are right, guy, you gotta wait for that.

Speaker 4 (02:55):
I'm still learning opens right now. But let's start with
the goods.

Speaker 1 (03:00):
May off the top, you're gonna throw him out there.
He looked good, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (03:03):
Very comfortable from the top. I got the offense going
really early. Setting that one thing that after game one
week one that we saw is that he needed to
just slow down the game for himself, and I thought
we were really able to see that today. A lot
of good offensive plays running in for the TV, getting
the Pats up twenty one to twenty later on in
the game, just really overall reading the offense making good

(03:25):
plays and it showed today.

Speaker 1 (03:27):
Yeah, I totally.

Speaker 5 (03:28):
I mean I agree, like, you know, look, it's not
all gonna be perfect yet for Drake may and you know,
just to just to say, you know, look the second half,
I mean, got a huge fifty six yarder which was
a great throw, but that's a three play drive there
that they scored a touchdown on the second I think
I got a kickoff return and then they weren't really
able to.

Speaker 1 (03:42):
Do things in the field goal. So you know, with
the field goal at the end.

Speaker 5 (03:45):
So if I'm coaching Drake Mayham saying, hey, great start,
you showed a lot of toughness. We got to still
be better in the second half, and that's something I
think to build up.

Speaker 1 (03:53):
Yeah, I would agree. He's on my good list today.
I thought he played really, really well for the most part.
And I agree with Mike they did nothing offensively in
the second half. But I really, unlike last week, I
wouldn't put that on him. It's just all of a sudden,
you come out and you're a little sloppy and you
get behind the chains with the penalties. You know, in
the sack. So yeah, I mean I definitely had Drake

(04:13):
May at or near the top of my good list today.
Me too. I mean just you know, you know, nineteen
for twenty three two thirty two touchdowns. More importantly, I
thought today running with some conviction, pulling it down, getting
first downs. Kwannie mentioned the touchdown run that put him
ahead ten ten carries, thirty one yards and a touchdown.
So nice bounce back game for Drake May.

Speaker 5 (04:34):
Yeah, I don't want to downplay that that throw too much.
With that he made, the throw was thirty eight.

Speaker 1 (04:39):
I liked the little adjustment before he threw it even better.

Speaker 5 (04:41):
The whole thing, the whole thing, you know, placed it
out there, nice touch, avoid some pressure, step up in
the pocket.

Speaker 1 (04:47):
I mean here you're seeing it right now. Yeah, I
mean that's you know, that's the game, folks, that's the game.

Speaker 5 (04:51):
Step up, make a throw and then and especially there,
you know, late in the game, you needed it desperately.

Speaker 1 (04:56):
It felt like the Dolphins were pulling away. You're starting
to feel like if that passes incomplete and that's that's
the second three and out of the second half, Miami
is going to take the two school lead that they
take all the time down there in the second half,
and that would have been game set match, So you
can't really understate that play. Yeah, if you want to
go next, I'd love to go next. I'm gonna say,
Ramandra Stevenson. You know you might remember in the past field,

(05:16):
remember the pregame show, and you know I picked him
thunder forty yards.

Speaker 5 (05:20):
But to reiterate, you know, his stats eleven for fifty
four on the ground, a five point nine average with
along of twenty one. That maybe skewed those a tiny bit,
but five catches on five targets eighty eight yards that
long being fifty five. So uh, you know, Ramandre just
a great I don't want to call it a bounce
back game, but I will call it a bounce back
game in terms of where he was last year in
the fumble issues, and then he had a fumble you know,

(05:41):
in a in a stadium practice earlier this year, and
so for him to come out and you know, again, Paul,
it's and I don't know me again, I'm still processing
the game, but it felt a little bit like the
Colts last year.

Speaker 1 (05:52):
It didn't last week.

Speaker 5 (05:52):
It didn't feel like they were dominant on the ground,
but they stuck to it. They had some key runs
here and there for sure, like the Colts did, but
it wasn't an overall dominant running game effort. It was
just they stayed balanced, they stuck with it. They didn't
become one dimensional, and when it came time to, you know,
make some plays.

Speaker 1 (06:07):
I think down in the year the end, he had
a nine yard run. Yeah, the numbers weren't great, but
they but they were good enough. And like you said,
and we talked about in the pregame, they stuck with it.
Twenty nine carries as opposed to eighteen, you know, when
some of that is May May had ten carries as
opposed to whatever three or four last week. But you know,
just I thought reminder, Stevenson was the best player in
the field today. Yep, either team good. Good for him.

(06:29):
That's been a while since we said that. You know,
Brandon Aubrey just made like a million yard field goal
to send the Cowboys and Giants to overtime.

Speaker 5 (06:38):
No lightning and no overtime. So those are two other
things on the uplet on the good list.

Speaker 1 (06:42):
Right, So I had both May and Stevenson on my list.
I'm gonna I'm gonna go and just go back to
the very beginning of the game, which now seems like
three weeks ago. I thought the just the plan to
start the game offensively, the mix of running pass, the
you know, the decision to go for a fourth and

(07:03):
three from the forty three yard line on the was
it the first drive, first or second drive touchdown? You know,
fright down. Yeah, I just thought it was just, you know,
the coaching at the start of the game again, I thought,
was the opposite of last week with conviction. You know,
we're gonna do that, we're gonna we're gonna throw, we're
gonna run, we're gonna stick with the run even if

(07:23):
they stop a run. And when we're gonna go for
it on fourth down. You know, I just I really
like the mix for Josh McDaniels and I'm gonna give
Mike Rabel you know, the fourth down is obviously the
head coach's decision, but I love the mix with with
Mike Grabel, the little touchdown to Mac Collins, nice little
design on that play, get them off, nice easy throw,
easy play. Just really nice mix to start the game.

(07:46):
Not enough consistency, but really like the plan at the
start of the game. Yeah, I just just to piggyback
I had the fourth and three.

Speaker 5 (07:53):
I just like that aggressive coming out of the gate
kind of fee feel like you hit that early in
the game and it's like, how are we gonna at
this game? And you know, here's the play right here
to Digs and May was able to find him. So
you know, just it's plays like this that just that
build confidence between those two guys, between Drake and and
certainly with the coaches that they're going to execute those
plays when when they call them.

Speaker 4 (08:13):
Another add to the good list, I guess we'll do honored.
Bill mentioned Antonio with gibbson that ninety yard kickoff.

Speaker 1 (08:19):
Just yeah, you don't. You don't just get one.

Speaker 4 (08:22):
You get.

Speaker 1 (08:25):
You see the clip and Paul's got like three minutes.
You get as many as you want. Okay, I'll keep
going then and absolutely, Antonio Gibson, you'll win the game,
you get on the good list exactly.

Speaker 5 (08:34):
That's crazy though, sequence though, just to see I mean
I did not expect, just as a fan, like it
just kind of brings me back to some of the
old Patriots games when you know there wouldn't be a
lot of defensive stops like you know, Tom Brady Peyton
manning some of those games where it just was big
play after big play and then to answer, you know,
a punt return, kickoff again, a punt return for a
touchdown again, when it feels like you're hanging on the

(08:56):
ropes a little bit, and then you come right through.

Speaker 1 (09:00):
Seconds later with this really just tough run.

Speaker 5 (09:02):
I mean, Antonio Gibson, just pure desire accelerating out of
the out of the pack.

Speaker 6 (09:06):
There pour number.

Speaker 1 (09:07):
Three looks like me running in high school, trying to
catch somebody who actually has some speed.

Speaker 4 (09:11):
So was that the one where le was running them
down the sideline as well?

Speaker 1 (09:14):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (09:15):
I had to go get my gay right check on them, Jules.

Speaker 6 (09:19):
Yeah, what else?

Speaker 1 (09:22):
Who's up again?

Speaker 6 (09:22):
Am I up again?

Speaker 1 (09:23):
If you have one? Yeah, I mean yeah, I'm gonna
put Harold Landry on there, you know, and look, two
weeks in a row, I can't. I don't have a
lot of defensive players.

Speaker 4 (09:33):
No, for sure, it's going to be conversation.

Speaker 1 (09:38):
But you know, we're kind of in the play territory.

Speaker 6 (09:40):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (09:40):
And you know for me that that third and seven, uh,
we had to set up the fourth and nine at
the end that were Mapu intercepted and I mean, I
just I felt like that was a key moment in
the game. Usually I'd like to have a few checks
next to a guy before I put him on the
good list, But I felt like in crunch time, you
come through with a big play like that, you got
the edge. I'm gonna give a little shadow to Harold
Landry and.

Speaker 4 (10:00):
I think can put them together, you said Mapu, and
also Milton Williams ending the game with that sack that
kind of just solidified the game because we thought this
was going into overtime. So I think the three of
them as crazy.

Speaker 1 (10:10):
I was waiting for the guy I thought Miami would
score and missed the extra point, just the way the
game was going. But yeah, I mean Miami just refused
to score. Let's call it what it was. They can't
even line up and snap the ball, like on the
last two drives. They just went backwards. Yeah, you know,
all on their own. I'm going to give the I
don't have anything good to say really about the defense

(10:31):
except for this one thing that I put on my
good list. They did something in like the middle of
the third quarter, late and the third quarter into the
fourth quarter where they made some sort of adjustment and
run defense, and they they started to create some second
and nine instead of second and threes. I don't know
exactly and I'm not having so I'm not going to
hit here and break it down and tell you exactly

(10:52):
what they did differently. But they were able to bottle
up eight Han a little bit. He ends up with
eleven carries for thirty yards, and he got off to
a good start in the game. So I think that
they created some longer distance second downs and third downs,
and mostly it didn't work. They converted him anyway until

(11:13):
they started just committing the delay of games and the
fall starts to go backwards. But I'm going to put
that run some kind of a late defensive adjustment that
stopped the run. And it was maybe like four or
five plays. But the last handful of runs that Miami tried,
whether it was Malik Washington or a Chan, they seemed

(11:34):
to bottle up and something changed because all their runs
were successful in the first I think that's a great
call out. We'll be sure when we grind the film. Yeah,
I'll believe that for you guys. You know, individual play wise,
you know, we didn't really see him targeted at all
all day except for the one time but great touchdown
catch for Kashan Boody. You called upon once in a game,
we need you to make a play. That's a great play.

Speaker 5 (11:55):
I thought it was interesting echoing the call we had
in the pregames, Yeah, where the guys asked, I see
and you know, I think we all just say, like,
I don't know if he's gonna be that in and
out but coming through cutch play.

Speaker 1 (12:05):
But I would also call out the guy that called
for the three receiver set with Hollins instead of Joglaphs.
And I do think that they did use that a little.

Speaker 4 (12:12):
Bit and they had to make the offense, which is
what he said, get them, get them in the rhythm,
get them comfortable, and I think it worked.

Speaker 1 (12:19):
I'm I'm I'm, I'm I'm done. Yeah, I'm done with
the goods.

Speaker 4 (12:22):
Well, the one thing that you said during the game,
Miami is getting in their own way. They're unstoppable, unstable,
and then inept like it was just this perfect combination,
which I think was obviously good for the Patriots but
obviously not great for Miami.

Speaker 5 (12:35):
Yeah, and then I think this is one of those
things where you know, some of the calls we're going
to be a little tiki takmight you're able to and
I think both sides. So it's a little bit of
those how is business being done? Do we come out
of this saying the Patriots are sloppy team? The Dolphins
are a sloppy team? Maybe a little bit, but.

Speaker 1 (12:49):
Oh yeah, you know, I I just it's too bad.
Teams they got it. They have to improve that.

Speaker 5 (12:53):
I mean, they had nine penalties last week. I'm going
to look right now exactly what the final numbers were here,
where's yes and twelve twelve for seventy five. Dolphins had
ten for sixty five.

Speaker 1 (13:06):
So you know, I think the Dolphins center twice didn't
snap the ball while everybody else moves. And this is
nobody on a good about.

Speaker 5 (13:14):
I guess it's badless for the Dolphins, but it just
felt like when the Dolphins were in need to have
it mode, that's when they had they contain.

Speaker 1 (13:20):
The last two the last two drives. They were unstoppable
all day, the last two drives when they needed to
go down and kick a field goal and then get
a touchdown, they're not snapping the ball while the other
ten guys are moving exactly they're getting delay of games
coming out of that, you know, because they can't get
the play in time. That's just that's why they're in
the situation that they're in. That's why people are calling
for the coach's job.

Speaker 4 (13:40):
So that being said, going to the bad.

Speaker 1 (13:42):
You're going to get the bats.

Speaker 4 (13:44):
Penalties is the first thing I wrote in all caps.
It's very obvious a lot of penalties on both sides.

Speaker 1 (13:49):
Seventy five is just inexcusable.

Speaker 4 (13:50):
And Moses three false starts.

Speaker 1 (13:52):
It's just all over the place everywhere everyone happened. It's
just the off sides.

Speaker 5 (13:56):
There's false starts, they're you know, holds, you know, it's
just it's a pop parade of penalties.

Speaker 1 (14:04):
And Henderson had three training and Henderson had three freaking
penalties like that. To me, it was like two penalty
on special teams.

Speaker 4 (14:10):
So and I wanted to get mad because Will Campbell,
we know, rookie. At first, when I started writing my notes,
I was like, all right, that false start, another false star,
what's going on? But now you realize you can't even
blame a rookie because veterans and rookies alike were just not.

Speaker 1 (14:23):
Yeah, we're still in the grace period, will Campbell.

Speaker 5 (14:25):
But yeah, no, no, no question, And I think some
other rookies maybe not quite in the grace period as
much because I'm gonna you know, throw board gallis on
there as much as I you know, appreciated that hitting
that field goal at the end, that was a big,
big part of it. But you know, to miss two
extra points in the first quarter, that just is unacceptable.

(14:46):
And you know, I said, I said to Paul, we
watched these guys all training camp. You know, our friend
Alex Barth is tracking every kick and you know John
Parker Romo was neck and neck with him, and most
I think most people would.

Speaker 6 (14:58):
Tell you that he probably had the edge.

Speaker 5 (14:59):
So uh, Borgalis, mister field goal last week, missed these
two kicks this week, then had the kickoff at the end,
which you know, almost worse than the two missed extra points.
All those those cost you points. So it's hard to
say that, but.

Speaker 1 (15:13):
But I know what, you give him really good field
position to start a drive that the other team needs
a touchdown. You know, it's a tough day. I mean,
good for him for showing some resolve and making a
fifty three yard but that this isn't you know, this
isn't high school in college where you're like, oh, he
made but he made that one. You got to make

(15:33):
them all. Yeah, you have to make them all, you know,
within reason. And you know that's three miskicks, three chip
shot miskicks in the first two weeks of the season. No,
it's not it's not good. No, he needs he needs
to be like a quiet start.

Speaker 5 (15:46):
I mean, I see you remember Stephen Gosowski when he
first came here in two thousand and six, having replaced
Adam vin Terry, you know, just kind of made his
kicks and and got maybe a little less pressure on.

Speaker 1 (15:54):
I don't know, but they had Tom Brady in that
outfence back then, but not good enough.

Speaker 5 (15:59):
From borgallis, he's got to be better or they're gonna
You're gonna see kickers start coming in tomorrow.

Speaker 4 (16:04):
And as a broadcast, made sure to know he played
in Miami, so he the weather was no excuses stadium.

Speaker 1 (16:11):
Absolutely, Yeah, yeah, I have a lot. I mean I
could probably individually go to all eleven guys on defense,
but I won't do that. Let's go with the special teams.
Just in general. Mike mentioned the kicks missing, which I
don't necessarily count as special teams even though it is.
You get penalties again, multiple penalties on special teams. You

(16:32):
allow a seventy whatever yard punt return to fall behind
in the second half on the fourth quarter, now I
know that again they bounce back. This isn't high school again,
It's not like, well they did okay, no, no, you
can't allow punk returns for touchdowns they got. You know,
earlier in the game, you get just a ridiculous holding

(16:55):
call on a punt where you know, you ended up
having you know, to rekick it, and you got fortunate
that you got a really good rekick. But that's that's
a dangerous situation down in Miami in that heat, to
have to cover two punts in a row. They were
lucky it only cost them three yards because they would
have had it at the forty one. They ended up
at the forty four only because Barrenger really got a

(17:16):
nice bomb off the second time around. But just too
much sloppiness, I think overall in the kicking game, that's
that needs to be better. Asks you a question, just say,
you can ask any question you want, like.

Speaker 5 (17:26):
Do you think with these new kickoff rules we're seeing
a little bit more of what the NFL might want
and people missing the zone.

Speaker 1 (17:31):
Kiski returned, I mean, you know, no the kickoff returns. Yeah,
Like I get a little more hairy with these kickoffs.
You mentioned that. I just would wonder, you know, at
what point does do these teams just decide, why are
we overthinking this? It's the thirty five yard line as
opposed to the thirty last year. Just kick it in
the end zone and give them the thirty five. We're
worrying about finding the landing zone. Then we miss it

(17:53):
and it's out to the forty. You know, just like
if this is this much of a problem, you know,
Gibson had a situation where we really had a hard time.
He had a hard time handling the one at the
end of the half, which I thought it was like
thirty five seconds left from the half. After Miami scored
the touchdown to get within fifteen fourteen, I thought they

(18:13):
had a chance to maybe get a two minute drive going,
and Gibson mishandles that and ended up starting at their
own four. They have to take the knee. But I
think you make a good point, Mike. I think they
might be overthinking a little bit, just like kick it
in into the end zone and let them decide if
they want to return it or not. But the special
teams have been sloppy in the in the first couple

(18:34):
of weeks. Is they've made some good plays too, you know,
like Antonio Gibson won a game for you too, exactly,
and then Boragilis, like I said, good for him for
responding and making a fifty three yard But this can't
be a couple of good, couple of bad. That's not
good special teams. That's inconsistent special teams. No what else.

Speaker 5 (18:52):
In the first half, I said, it's Paul when they
got the ball back, it's just before the two minute warning.
And you know, just situational football has been something and
it's haunted me over the.

Speaker 1 (19:01):
Last couple of years. It just feels like there's too
much time.

Speaker 5 (19:04):
And I wish I could say I was surprised, but
I was surprised it only took sixth plays to go
seventy seven yards. Just that was a continuation of the
first drive that they scored eight eighty three then six
seventy seven. I mean, you know, Miami, other than the
two punts that they had, they had extended drives eight plays,
six plays, seven plays, nine plays, nine plays, seven plays.

Speaker 1 (19:25):
You know, they were stringing it all.

Speaker 5 (19:28):
Together, but that end of half situation, I just, you know,
we got to find a way for this team to
be able to close things out and get into the
locker room without giving up a late score. And you know,
really I think the arrow points more directly to the
defense as the whole just not you know, a great
day for them to was tough again, I mean, this
is this is what he does to these Patriots teams.
But the half, especially give up points be going.

Speaker 1 (19:50):
To lock Yeah, the tackling overall defensively has been really shoddy.

Speaker 6 (19:53):
Yeh.

Speaker 1 (19:54):
You know, they're very fortunate that a chan steps out
of bounds by a half a width of a foot
really on his own. It's not like he was forced
out of bounds. He was making a cut and he
just lost track of where he was or you know,
the Patriots are going to be trailing with a minute
left in the game. So I thought Christian Ellis his
tackling was was tough. Robert Splaine's tackling was really bad.

(20:17):
And Alex Austin I think really struggled today coverage. I
thought he lost waddle in the touchdown, he lost Tyreek
Hill and was fortunate that the pass was so underthrown
that Hill had to come back to get it. But
the defense today was just not good and they had
really almost no pressure until the desperation times at the
end of the game. Again that were created by the Dolphins. Yeah,

(20:40):
that the false starts and the delay games at the
end of the game set up Milton Williams and Harrow
Landry's success.

Speaker 5 (20:45):
That this play, that play that they just showed there,
the bomb to Hill, That's what I really thought the
open all day and even like after one of the
I think that the false start delay game on the
second to last drive.

Speaker 1 (20:59):
Yeah, I mean, he's see how far behind Austin he
is on that play and he had to come back
and get it. But even there was a throw that
he makes to Tyreek Hill on second and twenty or
first and twenty after the combination platter of the false
start and delay a game the first time around, he
hasn't wide opening, just throws it over his head.

Speaker 6 (21:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (21:18):
So I just I know that without Christian gonzales I
said this last week, he's your best player. You're missing him.
It should look better theoretically if he's in there, but
what is in there hasn't looked very good to me.
I mean, I know, they's another day. They probably only
allowed twenty points. Everybody's going to hang their hat on that,
but I mean, geez, they forced six incomplete passes the
whole day. Another guy throws with three hundred yards on you.

(21:41):
That's what I found myself thinking as I'm watching this
is I'm like, it's aweso.

Speaker 5 (21:44):
Enough is just enough of a boost? Because they they
were behind it a lot today, so.

Speaker 1 (21:49):
And they didn't even have the ball in the first half.
The Patriots controlled the ball for what twenty two minutes
of the first half, and they still allowed fourteen points.

Speaker 7 (21:55):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (21:56):
So one thing we didn't get to mention in the
pregame show is to Throwilliams being out the defensive coordinator.
What role do you think that played, especially as we
lament over the frustration of watching these this defense.

Speaker 1 (22:08):
Yeah, I mean, if they had played better last week defensively,
I would say that was a big factor. But I
don't know. I mean, it's certainly not ideal to not
have your defensive coordinator. They spent a good chunk of
the offseason under the same guidelines they had today with
Zach Korrer running the show. I thought to Mike's point
about Howld Landry and Milton Williams at the end, I mean,

(22:29):
they they did something, they adjusted in some way with
the game on the line to come up with enough plays.
So I'll give them credit for that, But I don't
know how much of a difference. No, it wouldn't have
been with Williams.

Speaker 5 (22:42):
And just to you know, just to point out Terrell
Williams calling place for the first time in his career
last week, and then nak Is calling place for the
first time in his career, you know, I don't know it.
It looked like to me that's what he usually looks like.
We were at the point where anytime he threw the
ball in rhythm, I'm like, yep, that's gonna be complete.

Speaker 1 (23:00):
Tell And even today, I mean, and they did a
good job of pointing this out. As many times as
I can remember, with Tua, he was patting the ball,
looking around and still finding guys. Usually that's not his strength.
Usually it's the guy I want to go to first
is there, and the throat the throw is quick, and
Mike and I just looking Oh, that's going to get complete.

(23:20):
But today it's like he's looking left, he's looking right,
he's coming back, he's dumping it off, and he saw
the field pretty well today. He just unfortunately at the
end of the game they couldn't make one more play.
But yeah, you know, and I want to throw in
uh calevon Chase on too. You know, very very early
in the game, first third down of the game, you
come up with a pick and he lines up off side. Yeah,

(23:41):
and the gate that ended up being offsetting penalties. But
I mean, just you can't do that, you know. It's
not like you know, an illegal hand of the face.
All your hand got caught up, you know, was inadvert
and it happens, you know, like you lined up in
the neutral zone twice. He did it. But that play
was was really big because it cost them an eternal
early in the game. Yeah, well, I don't know, uh,

(24:02):
just not good defense. Yeah, I think I think I
think you've uh, I think you've nailed it.

Speaker 5 (24:05):
I don't know if I have anybody more specific, but
I would echo those, you know, general sentiments, especially if
just the penalties, the sloppiness, the untimeliness of some of
those penalties and just overall no better fundamentals on defense,
the tackling and uh you know, and just the linebackers too,
need more out of those guys hoping for more today
and they got picked on, just like our big slow

(24:26):
linebackers got picked on with these guys.

Speaker 4 (24:29):
All right, Well, the good the silver lining, I guess,
is the fact that they did break that streak from Tua.

Speaker 1 (24:37):
I don't have to if nothing else, they don't have
to hear about that exactly. That's what I'd have felt
a lot better if it looked different than this, But
I don't care. They needed to win. They needed they
were the franchise was desperate, and it was an extremely
entertaining game. Really was like I couldn't wrap my head
around it.

Speaker 6 (24:53):
It was just it was emotional.

Speaker 1 (24:55):
Usually the little write up I do for the game
isn't that long. It's like a novel today because it
was just back and fourth.

Speaker 5 (25:00):
And scoring and scoring and scoring, and you know, I
feel like sometimes, aside from the mistakes, this is the
kind of game the NFL wants. You know, you've got
special team scores and you got to coming right down
to the end. It's it's exciting.

Speaker 4 (25:10):
Make sure you go read that right up by the
way Rabbit recaps. He was working hard.

Speaker 1 (25:14):
Let me know if there's any typos.

Speaker 5 (25:17):
So just for injured. Yeah, I had Craig Woodson. They
all looked that came back. Yeah, looked that came back.
And Christian Barmore came back.

Speaker 1 (25:26):
Did I hear you say, Marty, But he came back,
and he came back to I think.

Speaker 4 (25:31):
And then Chop Robinson went to the time, but I
think he came back out for Miami.

Speaker 1 (25:34):
Don't about you know, you could do the other team,
but I definitely felt like it was a typical Miami
game that he was was a factor. You could see
the defense on the sideline there at at one point
there was a lot of fans going over there, so
I think they got one down a little bit. It listen,

(25:58):
there was just a lot of twists and turns in
that game. Hats off for the Patriots, you know, sort
of stay in the course and sticking with it. I
think there was times in this game in years past
I said they're going to lose this game, and it
probably you can't ever do this, but it probably comes
down to that one third and third and whatever four

(26:20):
or five where may just buys a split second of
time to find Stevenson on that pass down the sideline.
If that's an incomplete pass, I'm here to tell you.
I think the Patriots lose this game, and I don't
think it's close. I think Miami takes over up twenty
to fifteen. They probably make it twenty seven to fifteen,
and here we go. You know exactly was in my head, Pop,
I'm looking looking at that thingy as I felt at

(26:43):
that point Miami had taken control of the game. Yeah,
for sure, How could you not. I mean that's you know,
you go, you come out out of the locker or
not out of the locker room, but you go three
and out in your first possession for the Patriots. You
know they needed that one third and three. If that's incomplete,
you're punting from deep in your own end. Dolphins have
probably taken over around there, thirty you know, thirty five,
you know, decent field edition coming back the other way,

(27:04):
and they hadn't really been stopped. Yeah, feel good for
Remindri too.

Speaker 5 (27:09):
I kind of said it already, but just you know,
the guy, best player on the fat and beating up
a lot, and I mean, I don't have it off
the top of my head, but you'd probably have to
go back pretty good into last year, if not the
year before, when you found him being as productive as
he was in this game.

Speaker 1 (27:22):
And this, to me, you look like that's a great
throw too for you. I mean, I know it's a
great catch too. It's not an easy catch for a
right back, especially.

Speaker 5 (27:28):
Up there, and right when he throw it, I was
wondering if he was going to be able to get
it over.

Speaker 1 (27:33):
I felt really good for him because there was a
lot of we need to flip flow out the roles.
It's got to be Henderson. It's got to be Henderson.
I disrespect to Henderson, but I didn't see anything that
Rimandra Stevenson did wrong last week to get the amount
of criticism that he got during the course of this week.
And I'll obviously I feel really good for Drake May
because early in his career, you know, last year was

(27:55):
the honeymoon. When he had a you know, a second
half like you did last week. Last last year, it
was like he's a rookie. All of a sudden, he's
one game out of his rookie year. It is well,
we need results now, you know, And I'm not making
fun of anybody. We were all doing this year. I'm not.
This is not like my normal you know, crap all
over the media for me, because we were all doing

(28:16):
it too. So it was just a nice bounce back
game for both of those guys. I got May and Stevenson.

Speaker 5 (28:21):
Yeah, I just this is a place that if Drake
May is going to be the guy, he's going to
have to play there a lot.

Speaker 1 (28:27):
He's going to have to win there so to get
one under his belt.

Speaker 5 (28:30):
It's a place you know Tom Brady remember famous two
thousand and three, that overtime win that he had there. No,
this wasn't the win that JJ McCarthy had last week
when you could all point to him and everyone in
the locker rooms like this is the guy. But just
to get that box kind of checked and say, hey,
you know you've won one in Miami, let's go do
it again. Because he's gonna have to go there every
year and play these kind of games, and let's face it,

(28:51):
whether it's Tua or Dan Marino or whoever, this is
how it kind of looks.

Speaker 6 (28:54):
These games are crazy.

Speaker 4 (28:56):
Mark and Cheddar sent us an email talking about Drake May.
He said, just to check in, is this officially May's
first fourth quarter comeback in a game where he literally
had zero to do with coming back from behind in
the fourth an example of why I hate that set,
but also adding in, I'm assuming the CBS broadcast is
on the bad list.

Speaker 1 (29:12):
For oh it is actually not. The Patriots were leading
heading into the fourth quarter. There we go, there you go, right,
very kickoff? Yeah is that what? I don't know? But yeah,
but that's like where you get. Yeah, but fourth quarter
comebacks are tabulated by by leading going into the fourth quarter.
The official stat right now, if they went seventh place

(29:34):
for seventy five yards while down twenty seven to twenty
three instead of I would say, no, no, that counts as
a comeback.

Speaker 5 (29:41):
This Yeah, I can't go with the kickoff reach now,
we don't have to get too carried away.

Speaker 1 (29:45):
Wins it win and says and the more important thing
is your quarterback played a good game today. Yeah he did,
you know, and I know that Marcus not saying oh,
it's all about the comeback, but the quarter they needed
to see him and he I think he needed to see,
you know, to the basket ball analogy of the ball
going through the hoop. He was good today. I mean
nineteen for twenty three, two hundred and thirty yards. He

(30:06):
did a good job today. The only play I would
put on him at all which I didn't like and
I liked. I didn't mind the play call, but second
down in the last drive after the Mapu interception, you
need a first down. I love throwing the ball, you
know this, Mike. I'm always like to be very aggressive
in those situations. That play needs to be a play
action in a guy's wide open, and if he's not

(30:27):
wide open, I want him either to find a way
to run or just drop down and take the sack,
because the more important thing there is to keep the
clock running. That was thrown first of all with a
guy too close to Mac Collins for my liking. And
the incomplete pass hurts you. Yeah, you can't take the
incomplete like that's like he's undercut. I think that's Jack

(30:50):
Jones too. He's sort of undercutting there looking for you
to make a bad play. That's the only play that
I would have a problem with Drake May's decision making
at all all today. Yeah, I only won. I agree
that was the one missing a chance, But yeah, I
didn't see anything close toward interception or turnover.

Speaker 5 (31:10):
And even taking sacks like sometimes you know, it's like
I'll just I'll take.

Speaker 1 (31:13):
The do too much.

Speaker 5 (31:17):
So maybe some growth there from from young Drake and uh,
you know, validation, which just important.

Speaker 4 (31:22):
Yeah, we're gonna hear from Antonio Gibson in just the second.
We're gonna have a conversation with him. But well we wait,
Let's talk to Steve, who's actually down in Miami right now.
See what he has to say. Hi, Steve, Steve, he
is partying away. Are you still there, Steve? H?

Speaker 7 (31:41):
No?

Speaker 6 (31:41):
All right?

Speaker 4 (31:42):
Nate and Connecticut, how are you doing?

Speaker 8 (31:45):
You were good?

Speaker 1 (31:46):
Yeah here, Nate?

Speaker 9 (31:48):
All right, brace yourself.

Speaker 8 (31:50):
But let's go. You know we want today, let's go.

Speaker 9 (31:55):
You know, we we did have some sloppiness with like
the kicks and you know, the defense, but that, of
course is fixable. I do have one critique. I feel
like we could have used Kaishawan Boody.

Speaker 8 (32:08):
A little more.

Speaker 10 (32:09):
Uh we lost.

Speaker 1 (32:15):
Yeah, I'm I'm not here for that.

Speaker 6 (32:18):
We got it.

Speaker 1 (32:18):
You had four incomplete passes in the game. I don't
I don't mind who they threw too.

Speaker 4 (32:22):
All right, So Antonio Gibbs is calling in right now.
Welcome to the show.

Speaker 5 (32:27):
Thank you, thank you, hey, Antonio, congratulations on the win. Just, uh,
you gotta ask you about the kickoff return though. What
did you see there? And then how are you able
to break away and then deliver that big score.

Speaker 11 (32:39):
The guys was talking on the sideline. Jack was telling
me his guy kept going outside, and the four Ma
Reed was telling me he was just staying head up.
Give me telling me he was staying headed up. So
I said, I was just gonna trust it, run straight.
I ran straight, ran it to the back of them,
end up breaking up Man and the rest.

Speaker 1 (32:55):
That Antonio, did you realize you needed to also outrun
my race down the sideline on.

Speaker 6 (33:01):
The on the playoff, keep I keep hearing that.

Speaker 2 (33:05):
Close to me.

Speaker 1 (33:06):
Now he looked like he was gonna run you down.
I'm not gonna lie. He still looks like you can play.
I need to speed up, Antonio.

Speaker 5 (33:13):
Just what are your thoughts on this new kickoff this
year where they tweaked the rules a little bit, because
it seems like we're seeing a lot more.

Speaker 1 (33:19):
You know, ball's not laying in the kickzone or getting returned.

Speaker 5 (33:21):
It's just it seems like this play is now being
with the NFL wants it to be and actually being
impactful in the game.

Speaker 11 (33:27):
Yeah, I think this is what they tried to do
last year or they wanted more returns, but I feel
like they said it up nice this year. If they
do kick it in the zone, it's a it's a
big unnity. So you see a lot of more kids
being taken out. I'm pretty sure you see a lot
more plays being made this year.

Speaker 4 (33:41):
And there are a lot of ups and downs in
this game. I'm sure obviously being on the field is
a different perspective than we had. But how do you
stay in the game in a game like this where
you know your opponent is just as hungry for a
win like that?

Speaker 6 (33:53):
Man, just the preparation.

Speaker 9 (33:55):
It's not easy to win in this league.

Speaker 11 (33:57):
There's not a lot of games where you're going to
get a lot of blowouts. So you just got to
know that to come from experience. All week, Man Rabe
was telling us we was gonna be in a fight,
and that's exactly what it was, and you know, we
came out on.

Speaker 4 (34:07):
The on the wind.

Speaker 5 (34:09):
What was it like to be in a game like
this though, where it's just so crazy back and forth.
I mean, is it fun for you guys like I
just and what can this game do for a young
team looking for an identity like you guys right now?

Speaker 11 (34:20):
Just to see what type of teammates you got, Man,
a lot of people could either fold or or you
can or you can rise to the top of man,
you can fight like like he preached all weekend, That's
exactly what we did.

Speaker 7 (34:30):
Man.

Speaker 11 (34:31):
Everybody was tired, but we put our we put it
to the side, and we fall to the end. And
that's exactly what you need throughout the season, Antonio.

Speaker 1 (34:39):
Offensively, you guys obviously got off to a tremendous start.
But you know what was the biggest difference in the
amount of production you guys were able to generate today
as opposed to the opener.

Speaker 6 (34:51):
Just moving on to the next play.

Speaker 8 (34:53):
Man.

Speaker 11 (34:53):
Today wasn't perfect at all, But you know when when
guy's names were called, we made a play, you know,
shout out to Mandy.

Speaker 6 (35:00):
I feel like that catch right there was probably.

Speaker 11 (35:02):
Like a big momentum changer in the game, and he
got us going and we just kept rolling from there, man,
And I feel like that's all it takes.

Speaker 1 (35:09):
Great talked about that too.

Speaker 11 (35:10):
It just takes one play, and I feel like he
made that for us. And then you know, they made
a play and then you got to respond in the game,
and then I made one. So you know, things like
that man in the defense, you know, even though they
gave up something, they made a play, they stopped the
job and they got us on the field.

Speaker 4 (35:26):
Well, Antonio, thank you so much for checking in with us,
and congrats on the win.

Speaker 6 (35:30):
All right, thank you so much.

Speaker 1 (35:32):
Congrats Antonio. Yeah, I mean, I think he's with us
on the key player of the game. He's with us.

Speaker 6 (35:41):
It's good.

Speaker 1 (35:41):
You know, I really like him.

Speaker 5 (35:42):
Just I think he's you know, he's on a superstar
but like he gets out there and he delivers a
couple of big runs, delivers on special teams. You know,
didn't play much last week, but but it's still ready
to go. And that's I think a sign of a
good team having a stable of backs that you know,
guy might be down one week, but he's back up the.

Speaker 1 (35:58):
Next week delivering plays helping the team win. Here's my
quirky stat of the day. You know, the Patriots had
two receivers today make one catch that both went for touchdowns.

Speaker 5 (36:09):
I mean, the bizarreness of this this game, I just
I can't quite wrap my head around it entirely.

Speaker 4 (36:14):
I think.

Speaker 5 (36:16):
Just and forth, and you know, we're also prisoners of
like what's happened in recent years, so you're kind of,
you know, I'm sure like back in the day when
Paul is sitting here in the mid two thousands, he's like,
when are we going to win?

Speaker 1 (36:27):
You know, I'm kind of like, all right, where's the
interception company?

Speaker 12 (36:31):
You know?

Speaker 1 (36:31):
But but this team played it different. Yeah, I just
felt like, I don't know why. I felt a little
different during the course of this game. Now, I certainly
changed as the game went on, but I felt very
good about the game itself. The way the Patriots offense
was playing. I didn't think Miami had any answers defensively
at all. And then you know, credit Miami. They you know,

(36:52):
everybody said if they fall behind, they'll tucktail and run,
and they didn't. Yeah, they got up off the mat,
they took the lead, and I think we're really on
the verge of taking control of the game. And then
hats off to to Drake May and Rmandra Stevenson for
changing that tide. And then Antonio Gibson, who we just
spoke to about it. You know, turns in the play
of the game with the kick return. I like how

(37:14):
Mike McDaniel pointed that out too. It seemed like he
was like, and I just liked him.

Speaker 6 (37:17):
Ryner.

Speaker 1 (37:17):
We we didn't give up. They're still fighting for me.

Speaker 5 (37:22):
Curious what the fallout will be like in Miami this
week though, because I mean that offense obviously looked way
better than they look last week against the Colts and
you know, mistake filled game, weird game. Do you know,
do you are you still feeling like we got to
blow it all up? Or do they still start to feel.

Speaker 1 (37:36):
Like, well, maybe it's cod there, because they're probably going
to get waxed on Thursday night and be oing three
and then it'll be you know, see, how do they
fant in Buffalo.

Speaker 4 (37:46):
Today? The fans that paid for the banner overhead, like,
the fans are already fit up. So to your point out.

Speaker 1 (37:52):
He's not going to be the coach next year, it's
just a matter of whether or not he's going to
make it through this year exactly.

Speaker 4 (37:57):
All right, Steve is in Miami one more time, not partying, Steve.

Speaker 13 (38:03):
Did you hear me? Yeah, we hear you now, okay,
First of all, great show, second roll, even better show
with a victory. I'm happy that somebody brought up the
beads with Robert Splane. Two straight plays in the fourth quarter.
He missed tackles. He bumped the guy instead of tackling him.
But I also want to ask you what you think

(38:24):
will happen with bourg Allis. I know that they can
give him a Champs and all that. But yes, he
made the fifty three foot yarder, I should say, but
he could have easily been the reason why the Patriots
lost today. So do they I think Romo is just
on a practice squad. Do they bring him back just

(38:45):
to sign him as a possibility or what do you
think is going to happen with the kicking game? And
I hope he does well because my urologists is a
relative for Borger Allis, so I don't want to get upset.

Speaker 1 (39:00):
I can't say that it's hippa.

Speaker 14 (39:06):
Well.

Speaker 5 (39:06):
I do think Rumo got elevated by the Falcon, So
if he does well today, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (39:12):
I said at the end of camp that.

Speaker 5 (39:14):
I would have kept held on to him just as
some insurance, And like I said, I don't think it's
out of the question that maybe they have a kicker
or two in tomorrow for tryouts.

Speaker 1 (39:25):
Maybe they signed one to the practice squad.

Speaker 5 (39:27):
Just to give him a little bit of competition, to
remind him that this is the NFL and and that
you know you're you're only a couple of kicks away
from your last kick with a team, especially when you
are missing key points and things like on the extra points.
Uh So, So I don't think I don't think there's
anything drastic. I don't think they're going to cut Borgalis
or anything like that. But I would not be surprised

(39:48):
maybe to see a little bit of competition this week
and give another kicker for the coaches to take a
look at and compare some of these kicks too.

Speaker 4 (39:56):
The real question is are you going to try out?

Speaker 1 (39:58):
I can't, can't really tight hamstrings.

Speaker 4 (40:01):
I will not be kicking anything, all right, noduce kicking
all right. Christian is back in La Hi, Christian.

Speaker 15 (40:08):
Hey, you guys, what a victory.

Speaker 8 (40:11):
I think it's been what eight years?

Speaker 13 (40:13):
This we one?

Speaker 8 (40:14):
So so let's let's count this or let me ask
you guys, does this count as it's getting the monkey
off our back? Victory?

Speaker 9 (40:23):
Does it have to be a certain.

Speaker 8 (40:24):
Kind of victory or is it anything down there means
the monkeys off our back?

Speaker 1 (40:28):
No, they wont win?

Speaker 4 (40:29):
Is a win?

Speaker 1 (40:29):
Yeah, I mean the win's a win. What's what White
he's I know, I know that he'll turn thing that
he's trying for, But like, what are we doing? They
won in Miami? But I say, the first time they
won since twenty nineteen in Miami? Like, what what are
they going to say? No, asterisk, it's not really a win.
Of course, it's a win. No, it's it's it's great

(40:50):
for this season.

Speaker 5 (40:51):
I think this will continue to be a difficult place
to play, and you'll continue to have major challenges every
time you go down there. But for this oney twenty
five season, you pulled off a win in Miami, and
that's great.

Speaker 1 (41:01):
Great for Drake May, great for Mike Frabele, and we'll
see how they build off of it.

Speaker 8 (41:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (41:04):
I mean I would love to sit here and tell
you that. No, I would love to tell you that
like that. That was a near perfect performance today by
the Patriots in all aspects of the game. And they
went down to Miami and they beat a really good
Miami team. I don't think any of those things are
true other than the fact that they won the game,
and that's the only thing that matters. They are one

(41:25):
in one instead of zero and two. You're playing a
game next week, and against Pittsburgh. We usually we get
to the second half of the show before we start
looking ahead. But Pittsburgh looked thoroughly average in a bad
loss at home today to a good, not great Seattle team.
But I made a comment I think in the pregame
that Aaron Rodgers had four touchdowns last week against the Jets,

(41:45):
but I don't think he played all that well when
I went back and watched some of the replays of stuff,
and he struggled today. So that's a game that I
think a lot of people said, well, that's a loss.
I don't think it's a loss. I think these are
all toss up games. And what do I always tell you, Mike,
when you have eight, ten, twelve toss up games, you're
gonna win half. I think, yeah, if you're if you're okay,
I mean, if you're a really good team, you'll win.

(42:07):
You know, you have twelve toss up games and you're
a really good team, you're going eleven and one in
those games. But if you're just sort of one of
the one of the teams you're gonna go, you want
to go six and six? Yeah yeah, right now they
won in one in toss up games. Yeah yeah.

Speaker 5 (42:22):
You know, it echoes just some of the thoughts because
you know, uh kind of gravitate towards the defensive side
of the ball. Just I've been disappointed these first couple
of weeks. You know, I thought Chase On had a
really good camp. I think he's been you know, he's
had some plays, but but mostly been invisible. You know,
splaining had one hundred and fifty tackles in the last
each of the last two seasons in Vegas. Haven't really
seen that, you know, So I just I'm a little

(42:46):
disappointed overall. I feel like they would have been better
on defense. And I think, you know, when you look
at all the rankings and all that kind of stuff,
that they're gonna be near the bottom of the league
with a lot of this stuff because they just they
haven't been able to get stops.

Speaker 1 (42:57):
They've been giving up big plays. I mean, Miami only
had the ball for twenty six minutes today and they
are three hundred and fifty yards of offense.

Speaker 5 (43:03):
Yeah, so it's uh, you know, I think some of
the players are making plays at times. Milimilliams makes a
play at the time, Christian Barmo makes a play at
that time.

Speaker 1 (43:11):
But that might be the best. That might be what
you can have to hope for. You know, can you
come up with a play when when you have to,
can you figure out a way to get a stop?
You know, you mentioned Williams on the last fourth down.
The previous third downer was Landry to set up the
fourth down where two would just has to throw it
up for grabs and Mapu picks it off. So not

(43:32):
great defense, But when they had to have a play,
you know, the Patriots had a fourth and three early
in the game. Miami couldn't stop anything all day. They
weren't able to make a play on fourth and three. Yeah,
you know, so maybe that's the that's what you're hoping for.
I know a lot of people thought this defense was
going to be, you know, leading to seventeen thirteen wins.
I never saw that kind of a defense. But again,
I want to hold out final judgment until I see

(43:54):
what it looks like when Gonzalez is playing for sure.

Speaker 5 (43:57):
And I mean again, that's my whole like, what is it?
How much of a dif does he make? Does his
presence help boost things? Does the trickle down effect help
things in matchups? But I'd say on that flip side
of that coin, second straight game where I didn't feel
like past protection was an absolute disaster.

Speaker 1 (44:11):
They got some pressure at times, they got some sex.
But you know what, I think, to me, there's a
pocket and I think Drake may is the difference there.
I think just a little bit of experience that he has,
like that play that we keep harping on because it
was such a big play, immediate pressure, like no one
stopped him, but he's there and he recognizes it. Okay,
I'm all right, I'm all right.

Speaker 6 (44:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (44:30):
I know a lot of people were saying that he
seemed to be reacting to the pressure. I didn't see
that last week as much as people were making out
to be. I think he does a nice job of
sort of navigating the pocket.

Speaker 5 (44:40):
And i'd wonder too, with the McDaniels offense, where it's
kind of on the quarterback set protections and do those
things if maybe he has a growing comfort in understanding
those concepts a little bit better. Putting himself in position
to be successful and you know, just being more in
control than whereas last year when the center's calling out
protections and all that. Maybe he didn't quite understand that.
I'm just speculating right now, but you know, just to me,

(45:03):
I thought it's especially considering, you know, two rookies, we've
had some issues at center, bad snap.

Speaker 6 (45:08):
I mean that probably could have made the list too.

Speaker 5 (45:11):
But you know, but overall, I think I think the
pass protection and just the overall functionality of the offense
has been a little bit better than I might have expected,
and the defense has maybe been a little bit worse,
which is surprising because Mike rable defense. You figure, he's
got his guys, he knows what he wants. He changed everything,
he brought a lot of guys in. But I think
the message from last week was they got a ways

(45:31):
to go on defense personnel wise, and I think that
was again the case here today.

Speaker 4 (45:35):
That being said, how do the Pats adjust their defense?
I definitely think that's going to keep me up tonight.

Speaker 5 (45:41):
No, no, and and and look, you know, Paul and
I joke a lot because Wed you know, it's offensive
matter and scoring points and being if you can move
the ball and score points and you feel good about
your offense. I'll kind of take what comes on defense,
and you know, like today was a good example of
it wasn't great, but when you needed a couple of
plays and crunch time, those guys made the play.

Speaker 1 (46:00):
So you can live with that. But you know, I
don't know what the answer is.

Speaker 5 (46:04):
It's it's really quite interesting to kind of follow because
it's a different kind of defense too than we've.

Speaker 6 (46:09):
Really followed before.

Speaker 5 (46:10):
And you know, those old defenses under Bill Belichick and
jirob Mayo were always like game plan defenses, and we're
gonna switch it up, and so on one hand, you
never really knew what to expect week tw weak, and
maybe that was good, maybe it was bad, but you
at least knew that they were going to change it up.
Whereas with this defense, it feels like they are what
they are and they definitely do some different things, but
it just hasn't quite.

Speaker 1 (46:30):
Been consistent enough.

Speaker 5 (46:31):
And you know, giving up the big plays, especially in
key moments.

Speaker 1 (46:34):
They gotta nip that stuff on the ball. And I
would have thought today you can't get much more support
from your offense than they got in the first half
to half and they were still powerless. Yeah, you know,
they opened the game with a three and out and
then the next two drives whereas easy touchdown drives as
you're going to get that they came up with. So

(46:58):
I think if you have a reason nobly competent quarterback,
this team is going to have a hard time stoping you.
I just don't see I don't I don't see a
lot of a lot of playmakers. Yeah, no, I think
that's a great way to put it there. Just that,
and that was what was going on.

Speaker 5 (47:11):
Even the broadcasters were saying it during the game, where
New England just needs somebody to make a play, you know,
and that kind of goes into christinna Zales. He's the
kind of player that makes plays, and you know, going forward,
that's what you got to look.

Speaker 1 (47:25):
At on the defensive side of the ball. You're gonna
have to put players on there who can make plays.

Speaker 4 (47:28):
Figure out the identity, all right, Alex is in Greece. Hello, Alex?
What time is it in grease? You can ask them
what time is it in Greece? Alex?

Speaker 16 (47:40):
It's close degree close to midnight.

Speaker 1 (47:42):
Actually, you're a real one.

Speaker 16 (47:44):
Respect Yeah, Yeah, for sure, No, I've gotten used to it.
You know, it's definitely lay games. So my question is, uh, so,
you guys just talked about may leg right before I
call it, so you kind of answered like a lot
of my question and how he played. But are you
guys still a bit let down that he kind of
missed that last pass. I know it's just one moment,

(48:06):
it's not like defining the game, but not at all.

Speaker 1 (48:08):
It was covered like a blanket. I didn't want him
trying to force that in. There was good coverage on
that last past.

Speaker 16 (48:13):
So maybe do you think it's a throw that he
should have made though even though.

Speaker 1 (48:18):
It was, I would have liked to have seen him
take the sack to keep the clock running. That's the
only decision I would I would question. But no, trying
to jam that in there is running a risk of
a pick. Jack Jones was underneath Matt Collins. I was
going to say, it's like he floated it in there.
I didn't see he jammed it like it was like
when I saw the velocity threw that ball with him
like that's a pick. I didn't want to see him
try to jam that in there. No.

Speaker 16 (48:38):
Yeah, So do you like the play call.

Speaker 1 (48:41):
Then I like the play call, but if it's not there,
you have to take the sack, keep the clock running. Okay, yeah,
you know what I mean, Like if you run the
that play to me is designed. We know they're selling
off for the run. We're going to go play action
here and it's going to fool them and we're going
to slip a tight end or in this case it's
Mac Collins who's kind of like a tight end out

(49:02):
into the flat. No one's going to be covering them,
and we're gonna have an easy pitch and catch. It
ain't there. They didn't, They didn't fall for it. Jack
Jones was on them. So I want to either say, Drake,
try to make a play with your legs or just
slide down. Just slide down and take the sack.

Speaker 16 (49:19):
So my last question is, and that beause, do you
think maybe they should have done like play action where
they ran made to the side or something. I was
hoping that maybe they do some deception.

Speaker 1 (49:27):
But we can we get the playoff, maybe, Chris, if
we could get that last that that play in the
last drive up again, maybe I'm forgetting to play in
complete the second down in completion on the second on
the last possession for the Patriots, and I unless.

Speaker 6 (49:43):
I'm no, that's that's that should be.

Speaker 1 (49:46):
I think, okay, because then yeah, I mean, I don't know.
I'm trying to remember, I am. I could have done
with maybe a couple more May designed runs. Perhaps in
some of those situations they didn't have any design runs
today for him. Maybe that would have been a call.
That would have been a call. I missed it. See
if he's jamming that in there, that runs the risk.

(50:08):
See that's a play action and it's just that is
a play action play but it's not. It's not a
good throw. But I wondered if he's looking, he's he's
Jack Jones's like, oh god, we got to throw this away. Yeah.
I don't hate the call. I like throwing for that
first down. I don't like saying we're gonna run it
three times in punt and play it on defense. I
don't like that. But it wasn't there. So I think

(50:32):
there needs to be something better for May to do
other than you know, throw an incomplete pass that kind
of that hurts. The incomplete pass of the hurts. No,
And I think you're you're comment on taking the sack there.
That's I mean it's not quite graduate level quarterbacking, but
I think that that's you know, that's an experience kind
of thing where if it's not there, take the sack,

(50:53):
you know, or like remember Brady on the sidelines, Like,
if it's not there, take a delay a game, take
a delay a game. You know, like those are the
kind of thing you don't really necessarily always think through.
So yeah, I was trying to remember because I knew
that was second down. I was trying to remember what
happened on third down. He threw a pass short of
the sticks to Diggs on third down. Yeah, I mean

(51:13):
it's certainly worth a second. Guess I knew what Alex
is saying, you know, if you're going to do that,
I just don't think the past was the play was there.
I think Jack Jones was not fooled on the play.
Collins study health Oh maybe okay, so maybe there Maybe
that's why he wasn't fooled. Maybe he was fooled and
he reached out and held and he got away with it.

Speaker 5 (51:35):
Mac Collins came up with I didn't see it on
the replay, but that's what he said.

Speaker 1 (51:39):
Yeah, So maybe that's why Jack Jones was in such
good position, maybe he cheated like they did in every
other play in that game, both teams. By the way,
I mean twenty two penalties on my set or it
doesn't even count the ones that would declined. It was
a long game, all right.

Speaker 4 (51:55):
Let's take it a CJ in Kansas City or Casey.

Speaker 15 (52:03):
Hello, Hello, Yeah, So my my thoughts are you know,
all the talk before the season began was talking talking
up the defense quite a lot and saying like could
to be a top fIF team, top ten, and I
know that when Christiana Dalz comes back it's going to
be better. But do you guys actually see maybe since

(52:24):
you know, we saw the offense actually putting some some
points together today too, do you do you think that
perhaps the offense could actually rank ahead of the defense
by the end of the year.

Speaker 1 (52:35):
Yeah, absolutely, given how they've started off. Yeah, and that's
what I mean. It's exactly what I said coming in.
I was surprised. That's kind I don't see that, but
not because I think that I just don't believe in
this offense yet. Yeah I don't. I mean, we'll see,
maybe they have more days like today in them, but
I'm skeptical I think this was a good a good

(52:57):
day for the offense, a really good day for the
off I don't see this happening consistently.

Speaker 5 (53:02):
I guess where I live is that defense has a
lot of veterans, and I don't know if we're going
to suddenly see something new out of them, whereas there's
still some element unknown to me to the offense.

Speaker 1 (53:11):
May I didn't say I was expecting anything well the defense,
I said, I think this was for the offense. But
he asked, and I don't think so. Could it be
that it's one's twenties? I joke, we can see Jay.
Thanks all right?

Speaker 4 (53:29):
John is in South Beach?

Speaker 6 (53:30):
Are you like?

Speaker 1 (53:31):
Actually it's Johnny South Beach, Johnny South Beach. It's a
character on the show.

Speaker 4 (53:36):
Nice to meet you, Johnny.

Speaker 17 (53:37):
I'm holly lovely to meet you as well. Excellent work
on the Free and Postgame show so far. Oh, I
just have to say my heart is broken because this
is the first Patriots visit to Miami since twenty twenty
two that I haven't been in the stadium. And yeah,
I missed a victory that was probably really fun to

(54:00):
be apartment in the crowd. Anyway, Two things that I'll
I'll just point out I thought Drake May showed a
lot of promising play today. Like I agreed that brow
to Rimandre, that brow to Kaishan Boody. I just continued
to be proven wrong about Kaishan Booty.

Speaker 7 (54:17):
I even at the.

Speaker 17 (54:18):
Beginning of this year, I was like, all hype, you know, whatever,
but looks fantastic. The only negative in my opinion, the
media pumps Roberts playin hires a lot in this offseason,
and he just hasn't looked very good to me. But
you know, maybe I don't know what I'm looking at
and I don't know what I'm talking about, but I
would like to hear you guys talk a little bit

(54:38):
more about that too.

Speaker 5 (54:40):
Yeah, it breaks my heart to say, I really, I mean,
I love the guy's personality. I love the intensity that
he brings to the team. I like the leadership, the
tone that he sets in the locker room. I don't
think he's been great though. He just hasn't been productive.
He hasn't and you've seen him missing a lot of tackles.
And I said it in the pregame show. I was
curious last week. I think Mike Reese, you know, speculated, explained,
big film study. Guy didn't know what's really key off

(55:02):
of on that Raiders offense. Maybe it will be better
this week against McDaniel's offense that he's seen before and
it wasn't any better. And you know him and Ellis,
those are the guys that need to make the plays.

Speaker 1 (55:12):
So it's in coverage too.

Speaker 5 (55:14):
I think that's an area where you thought, I mean,
how many Patriot fans are like, we got to.

Speaker 1 (55:18):
Draft the linebacker with speed? We got we gave these
slow guys.

Speaker 5 (55:21):
Anymore and you had that speed right now. But I
think you're seeing that that there needs to be some
instincts too, and I don't know, maybe it'll start to translate.
But you know, going back to the other point, he's
been in this defense before, so you know, what are
we what are we waiting for? I'm not sure, but
I think that's a that's a fair, fair criticism. I
think that those guys have to be better, and if
they do, maybe that's a big part of you know,

(55:42):
kind of turning this defense's poor start around.

Speaker 1 (55:45):
But again, you know, they live to fight another day.
Made some plays down the stretch, so we'll see how
how it unfolds. From here with him, But I agree.
I agree with the point.

Speaker 4 (55:54):
We're getting calls, we're getting emails. I'm like, where do
I go? Let me look at some emails, because put
the calls on hold for a second. We have a
headline ugly win from Brendan and Connecticut. Is it just
me or was this one of the ugliest wins in
recent memory? The defense is extremely concerning limited pressure, bad
linebacker coverage, soft coverage, sloppy tackling, and bad penalties. The offense,

(56:14):
I think, looked much better than last week, of course,
and better and show improvement, while the defense, as we
all agree, is not good.

Speaker 1 (56:22):
So I don't know.

Speaker 5 (56:22):
I watched that that game up in Buffalo, and that
was that was about the bottom of the barrel for
ugly wins. So I'll put scoring over thirty points a
little bit higher than that. No question, there were a
lot of mistakes in this game, and certainly on the
defensive side of the ball, there were a lot of
things to fix. But anytime you're able to score some
points like that, to put up points on special teams,

(56:43):
you know, I don't I'm not going to really look
the look at a victory in Miami in the mouth,
so to speak with.

Speaker 1 (56:49):
Yeah, it was a sloppy game and all that stuff,
but I mean one of the one of the sloppiest
wins in recent It was one of the wins in
recent memory. Like, like, what do we do when you
put it that way? I mean, no one is snarky
dey right, Like I'll look the other way on virtually anything. Well,
you can't kind of like, I don't care today. I'm

(57:09):
not going to worry today about how it all looked.
They needed to find a way to win a game.
They Yes, they got help from the other team, there's
no question. But you know you're losing a game in
the fourth quarter, and your special teams found a way
to make a play for you, and you won the game.
And then you found a way to close it out.
Even though the other team gave you a mense help
in closing it out, You closed it out. You made

(57:31):
the plays on third and fourth down to make sure
that Miami didn't score to take the lead. So I
don't really you know, if you're a Patriots fan right now,
coming off of back to back four win seasons, why
you would be at all upset about this win unless
you're just still thinking that this team can win ten

(57:52):
or twelve games and go to the the AFC Championship.
If you think like that that, I'd be all by
all means be upset because this isn't going to be
good enough to do that.

Speaker 4 (58:00):
Just dictations.

Speaker 1 (58:03):
They get to find a way to win some games
and get something going. Right today they did that. That's
the whole thing for me.

Speaker 5 (58:08):
Get something going and talk this week about Drake May
and what does he need to do?

Speaker 1 (58:11):
Is he the guy? And do we need to be patient?

Speaker 5 (58:13):
And these are the kind of wins mistakes and all,
and maybe even in some regards because of the mistakes,
because of the things you can highlight to him and
say should have taken the sack here or you know,
not not the best throw here or those.

Speaker 1 (58:26):
Kind of things.

Speaker 5 (58:27):
Uh, these are the wins that can start to build
some momentum for Drake May and start to have him
believe in himself and the team believe in him. And
that's the thing. You're never gonna have a perfect victory regardless.
And I'm sure there are some you know, Buffalo victories
currently going on or you know that were like, wow,
that was you know, amazing, and we didn't get stopped once.
But you know, for a team trying to dig themselves
out of the four win basement, that's a really good

(58:48):
stuff for this franchise today.

Speaker 4 (58:49):
And great learning opportunities. Like you said, all right, well
we have Spi and Fresno. He sent in an email
to podcasts at Patriots dot com he said, can we
please put boss Man on the good list? As his
feel for the league led him to correctly guaranteeing a
win today hashtag self squish seeing fish.

Speaker 1 (59:09):
I forgot Freddy. Freddy guaranteed to win. He did guarantee.

Speaker 6 (59:12):
Forgot about that.

Speaker 1 (59:13):
Remember, I guaranteed pretty much everything. So I'm taking my
victory last. I mean I had, like I never has
has a prediction of I have absolutely no idea what's
going to happen in this game?

Speaker 5 (59:28):
You should go and not saying I didn't know what
was going on during the game when it was unfolding
in front of me, and I still have no idea
what is going on in this game?

Speaker 6 (59:34):
Like how it's just one of those ones.

Speaker 1 (59:36):
Where they're scoring, we're scoring back and forth, and there's
you know, there's just the little mistakes at the end
or what what's going to decide it. And you know
today that the Patriots were the team that made a
couple extra plays and a couple less mistakes, and that's
why they want I.

Speaker 4 (59:48):
Agree to try to predict because none of the particular no.

Speaker 1 (59:52):
I thought the game was pretty close to being over
in the first quarter. I thought Miami had done what
we had all talked about all week, and then all
of a sudden they decided, well, let's see if we
could get a drive together. They got to drive together
and they were like, okay, yeah, they have the same
old Patriots. We can move the ball. It will against them,
and they did well, and all of a sudden it
was game on.

Speaker 5 (01:00:08):
What was haunting me, Paul, was we talked about, you know,
how the game might have folded.

Speaker 1 (01:00:12):
I think I said something to the effective, you.

Speaker 5 (01:00:14):
Know, if like mate leads him on a dry or
they go up laid and the miamis and then I'm like.

Speaker 1 (01:00:19):
Something, looking at thirty four to thirty three and being like,
oh here, I can't think, you know, like, obviously you
feel a lot better with winning, but let's just say
a chance stays in bounds and they end up Miami
ends up winning the game. I think I would come
away saying, hey, yeah, they lost and it sucks and
we're going to be pissed off for a while. But
you had an offense at least that showed up this
week as opposed to last week. Your quarterback was sharp

(01:00:42):
today as opposed to last week. Now it would be
small consolation, you know. Thankfully a chance stepped out of
bounds and the Patriots were able to hold on.

Speaker 5 (01:00:50):
I think that my my anger at the defense had
he stayed in bounds would have been like the fury
of like a white hot.

Speaker 1 (01:00:55):
Sun, like it. I'm still pretty disappointed, but it's just
the same. Yeah, Jeeves is the same. It's not like
they pushed him out of bounce. I know everything. You know,
That's what it is.

Speaker 4 (01:01:07):
But I think Sean and Ireland he emailed as well.
He kind of summed it up perfectly. Hopefully this can
be used as a base to move forward. Like positive
Perilla here, Drake May didn't sky his first few passes,
look confident throughout, we scored more than thirty points and
took advantage of bad football. Yep, it would be good
to see if this team can grow from this result.
Unlike last year at Cincinnati, where everything stagnated from there on.

(01:01:30):
Thank you Sean and Ireland for that. Hey, I like
it all right, let's get back out to the phone
lines one eight five five, pats five hundred. We have
Walter in Tejas. That's my Spanish.

Speaker 6 (01:01:43):
I like that.

Speaker 4 (01:01:43):
Thank you, weep be inch.

Speaker 18 (01:01:47):
I got thanks for taking.

Speaker 4 (01:01:50):
Of course, Hi, Walter.

Speaker 19 (01:01:52):
I just had a quick question. Maybe you guys talked
about it earlier, but the kicking game with a little
shaky from last week in the beginning of this week,
and also the abilities things like we were at one
point where we're playing against ourselves and the other team.
It looks like we kind of gave them a lot.
They also feel like they gave us a lot as well.
Do we think that there's gonna be a lot of sloppy
games throughout the season. I know that's what we've had

(01:02:14):
the last two. Do you do this is uther of
this coaching staff is gonna address quickly? Or is this
something that we can probably look forward to looking and seeing.

Speaker 4 (01:02:23):
I hope not, but.

Speaker 1 (01:02:25):
You have to hope that they can, you know, at
least clean up some of the penalties and you know,
but you nail it. I mean it was it was
a slop fest, no question, a lot of mistakes on
both sides it was.

Speaker 5 (01:02:36):
It's just it's hard to imagine it can stay that
sloppy all year with you know, nine ten penalties every game.

Speaker 4 (01:02:42):
Fingers cross, you know.

Speaker 5 (01:02:44):
But I think that's again, like last week, coming out
of that game, we said for the offense, like, you know,
just kind of established the run like state balance, get it,
get a little bit of run game going, maybe that'll
help the offense.

Speaker 1 (01:02:52):
And then I felt like that was part of the
part of the plan today all sides of the ball.

Speaker 5 (01:02:57):
I think, you know, let's let's let's love shooting ourselves
in the but penalties are gonna happen to some extent
for sure. At the same time, there's a line that
they get excessive, and they've been excessive the first two weeks.

Speaker 4 (01:03:06):
Yeah, all right, let's take it out to Donnie in Phoenix. Donnie,
how's it going.

Speaker 1 (01:03:12):
What's going on?

Speaker 16 (01:03:13):
Hey, Donnie, how are we doing today?

Speaker 4 (01:03:14):
We're good?

Speaker 6 (01:03:15):
All right?

Speaker 1 (01:03:15):
How are you?

Speaker 9 (01:03:16):
Dude?

Speaker 13 (01:03:18):
Bro?

Speaker 20 (01:03:18):
Cannot feel better? Finally, first and first and foremost, first
time listener, long time caller, I am so pumpered today, man,
Like we finally gotta win.

Speaker 18 (01:03:31):
Over Miami and Miami no turnovers. Drake is the second
coming of Tom Brady on Crowningham Right now, from Andre
Stevenson back to his twenty twenty one twenty twenty two form,
We are back. We are ready for the Steelers next week.
We are still ready. I'm on my way to get
dunkin Donuts to get fueled up for next week.

Speaker 8 (01:03:50):
We are so back.

Speaker 18 (01:03:52):
Ten and seven is still on the board.

Speaker 16 (01:03:53):
Let's go and take it off field.

Speaker 4 (01:03:54):
Love you guys, all right, Donnie wait?

Speaker 1 (01:03:58):
Sixteen month still on the board?

Speaker 4 (01:04:03):
Where Oh my goodness?

Speaker 6 (01:04:06):
All right?

Speaker 1 (01:04:07):
So hey Patriots fans, they've they had a rough go
of it, so they're happy right now.

Speaker 4 (01:04:13):
So Eli was wait is his name?

Speaker 21 (01:04:17):
Eli?

Speaker 7 (01:04:17):
Oh?

Speaker 6 (01:04:18):
El? Sorry?

Speaker 22 (01:04:18):
El?

Speaker 6 (01:04:19):
Right in Wisconsin, the f got mad.

Speaker 1 (01:04:22):
I got mad at all?

Speaker 4 (01:04:24):
Why what do you do?

Speaker 1 (01:04:26):
What did you do? What the issue was? Well he
went direct to camera. You know when Frek's director the.

Speaker 4 (01:04:32):
Eye contact on, No, I'd be scared to step back. Well,
he's saying that this defense reminds him of the twenty
twelve team defense was awful and then Brady had to
score almost every drive to win games. It plays perfectly
off the call. We just get since he's the coming
of Tom Brady. But he says in the email, since
he's Brady, he did we can't ask that of May.
The defense needs to be better period. Yes, absolutely, I.

Speaker 5 (01:04:56):
Would say it reminds me and this actually would be
stupid for if your statistically look at it. But the
two thousand and nine defense, I think statistically they were okay,
but I think they were flawed.

Speaker 1 (01:05:07):
Yeah, guys like Derek Burgess rushing off the edge.

Speaker 5 (01:05:09):
You know, it was just they needed an infusion of
some fresh talent, which they you know, ended up getting
a couple of years later. Well next year they ada mccordy,
and you know, they found Ninkovic and then they drafted
Chandler Jones and they got Dante high Tower and et cetera,
et cetera. But you know, it's just it felt like
that defense was kind of in between the old Dynasty

(01:05:30):
defense and all those guys retired and you were, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:05:33):
Kind of tread water with some guys Jarvis Green, you know, goes.

Speaker 5 (01:05:35):
Like it's just not to get into too much detail,
but I do think statistically that was a good defense.
But you know, you saw in the playoffs they got
in and they had no answers for the Baltimore Ravens,
So I hope it's better than that, especially down the end.
But you know, it just it thinks. It seems like
it's work in progress. And and whereas on the offensive
side of the ball, I think you've got a few pieces.

Speaker 1 (01:05:53):
On the defensive side of the ball with Al Gonzales
right now, you're you see you're you're missing some stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:05:59):
All right, we have another milk good day postgame show
boats win against the Dolphins in Miami. But it's not
so much woo whoo as it is a like a
I release tried to verbalize that Patriots did their best
to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. There were
two teams doing their best to lose this game, and
ultimately the Patriots did a worst job of losing it

(01:06:20):
than Miami. Cheers from Dan in Virginia in Michigan having Dan.

Speaker 1 (01:06:26):
He's right. The teams kept taking turns trying to hand
the games with the other.

Speaker 4 (01:06:32):
They were too polite, That's what it was.

Speaker 1 (01:06:33):
And ultimately special team we can Miami gave the last
one up and they ended up costing them the game.
But again, I just don't there's gonna be plenty of
time to like dwell on that kind of stuff. I
don't just right now. I think the Patriots needed to
find a way to win the game, and I don't
I kind of saw this coming, like the whole No,

(01:06:56):
Miami is a mess, and you know, it wasn't so
much about what the Patriots as it was what Miami did.
And I'm not arguing with you that Miami's a mess,
but I don't. It's just not really high on my
priority list right now because to me, this is more
about what the Patriots offense did. It took some strides forward.
I'm not going to get lost in the thirty points.
It was really like twenty four.

Speaker 19 (01:07:16):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:07:17):
The last touchdown you know was obviously special teams, and
then the field goal that they got was because Miami
had to go forward on the fourth down and gave
them a field goal. But why are we nitpicking? Why
are we going to go through this? I can do that,
and believe me, I can go to detail oriented and
with a fine tooth comb and tell you all the

(01:07:38):
reasons why, you know, leave that to felgrind mess, tell
all the reasons why you shouldn't feel happy about this
win today. I just don't think it's the time. This
is a team that's won eight games the last two years.
They found a way in the fourth quarter to make
a play on special teams to steal a game, you know,
and it's a game they had every right to win.
It's not like a game they had no business winning.

(01:07:58):
You know. For a large stretches the first half, they
would dominate even though they were only up by a point.
So I give them a lot of credit, I do.
I give the Patriots a lot of credit for sticking
with it today. I know Rabel said we were willing
to get into a street fight and we didn't quit.
And I think that sums it up perfectly.

Speaker 5 (01:08:13):
Does The thing I've learned from those last two four
win seasons was like each season, every time they lose,
no matter what it looked like, it just gets worse.

Speaker 1 (01:08:23):
Like everybody, you know.

Speaker 5 (01:08:23):
It's just the attitudes and she just you could just
feel the negative energy continue to build with each loss,
you know, no matter if they lost a heartbreaker in
the last second and kind of played well.

Speaker 1 (01:08:32):
Or they got blown off the field.

Speaker 5 (01:08:34):
And it's the same thing on this side of the ball,
where you have a young team, have a new head
coach trying to get guys to buy into what he's selling,
and so regardless of what the actual style of it
all look like, at this point, you just need to
get that w and check that box and earn some
validation from what you're preaching. And you know, I think
next week we'll get a Patriots team that maybe a

(01:08:54):
little bit more locked in, a little bit more buy
in and say, look, we won the game and we
played like crap in these so if we clean up
some of this stuff, maybe we can start to get
to not just be a team that looks to take
advantage of bad football, which is, let's face it, that's
what they did today, into a team that can.

Speaker 1 (01:09:11):
That's another good point. They put themselves in position to
take advantage of the bad football the other team wants
to commit a false start and back it up with
a delay. Game not once but twice in the last
two drives. Make sure you don't allow them to convert
the first in twenty and they didn't. They took advantage
of bad football. It's a good way to something.

Speaker 4 (01:09:28):
I think this team would have been able to do
that last year, would have done it last week well, yes, absolutely,
but definitely a turnaround when you think about it, would
you say the two of you say, are some tangible
takeaways for the Patriots to going into the Pittsburgh game.
I know we're getting a little ahead of ourselves, but I.

Speaker 1 (01:09:45):
Would say, I just need continued progress from the offenses.

Speaker 5 (01:09:48):
And I think that's just something that happens naturally because
you've got some experience, you've got another I mean, how
many offensive plays did they run today? I mean, Josh
had to be at the bottom of his card by.

Speaker 1 (01:09:57):
The end of the game.

Speaker 5 (01:09:58):
So but I think that's a really good thing because
you're getting a lot of tape.

Speaker 1 (01:10:01):
Of not as many as your thing. No really, fifty five,
fifty two.

Speaker 6 (01:10:05):
Fifty, Okay, I'm not dons about average.

Speaker 5 (01:10:07):
So yeah, yeah, I guess they got off to a
great start and then it tapered off.

Speaker 1 (01:10:10):
I've had it the whole first half. Yeah, but then
the Dolphins were able to rebound from that. Yeah. I
think Mike is right though. The balance that they showed,
you know, not just like running the ball and passing
the ball. I'm just talking about sort of sequencing plays.
And I thought the beginning of this game, every play
they ran seemed to be not what Miami was expecting.

(01:10:30):
Like they were able to get guys open, they were
able to run at the right times, they're going forward.
On fourth down, they get an easy pitch and catch
with Stefan Diggs sitting in the soft zone in the middle.
That I think is a tangible thing you can take forward.
I'm thousand percent with Mike.

Speaker 4 (01:10:46):
Okay, I'm sorry. This next email confused me because I
saw Zach Kerr from Michael in North Carolina. First, I
thought zach Kerr emailed this, which is not the case.
She said, brought that cures to see how you two
react to this. So a win is a win. But
let's tip our hats to the fill in the defensive coordinator,
Zach Err. I thought him and his staff came up
with a decent game plan. He deserves a lot of credit. Plus,

(01:11:06):
the defensive line of the Patriots played really well, shutting
down the run only sixty one yards rushing. That's Michael
in North Carolina.

Speaker 5 (01:11:14):
Yeah, I mean, I just pointed to what Paul said.
I thought that they made some adjustments and shut down
eight chan But you know, really they didn't have a
lot of answers.

Speaker 1 (01:11:21):
Failing ran the ball fifteen times. You know that that
that continues to be a problem. And you know we'll
see next time we faced that I did not like.
I did not like the plan today, nose. I don't
think they got after the passer much. I don't think
they covered anybody. It's not like Tool was jamming in
into you know, small windows. I thought he had jumping

(01:11:44):
up there. I mean again, you know we said that
Drake only through four incompletions, Tua only through six, you know. So, yeah,
that didn't like the great a Manning. I didn't I
didn't like the I didn't like the defensive performance today.
Really I give him credit for coming up with just
enough place to find a way to win the game.

Speaker 4 (01:12:03):
But I didn't like the plane all right.

Speaker 1 (01:12:06):
I wanted to get after Tua and see if I
could force some mistakes, and they really never did that.

Speaker 4 (01:12:10):
Yeah, all right, we're going back to the kicker competition
that you just mentioned, Deduce from Mike and the OC.
So happy we got to win, especially with the next
two games against quality playoff contending teams, which obviously will
be the true test. I wanted to.

Speaker 1 (01:12:23):
Get sorry Pittsburgh and Carolina in the next time.

Speaker 4 (01:12:27):
Oh oh yeah, you're right. Yeah, well, I guess they're it's.

Speaker 1 (01:12:30):
A very soft spot of the schedule to open up here. Actually,
you're opening up to three out of the first.

Speaker 5 (01:12:36):
Four at home, and all four of them it's like
already underwater, and all four of them very winnable.

Speaker 14 (01:12:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:12:43):
I shouldn't have read that blindly. I wanted to get
the panels thoughts on our rookie kicker. We know, Borgoleis.
We just talked about him. Yeah, hit the big fifty ards,
but missed those two extra points last week. Also not
the great momentum. I thought John Barker Romo actually kicked
better than Borgallis in the preseason. Like you said, are
you watching the show, sir? But that's Mike and the O. Yeah,

(01:13:03):
we get that a lot.

Speaker 5 (01:13:04):
I mean, I just I think it's an overall interesting
debate because we have we talk about kickers all the time,
and you know, some people don't want to draft kickers.
And sometimes you find a guy like Nick Folk who's
like forty years old and comes in and like can't
miss and you know, or even a guy like Joey
Sly last year who kicked around for a little while
and they did an okay job.

Speaker 6 (01:13:23):
It's got a big leg.

Speaker 5 (01:13:24):
And you know, do you invest extra time in guys
that get off to a slow start. I mean, you're
seeing Chad ryland Is. He seems like he found a
stride outside of New England. And I don't think it's
that crazy to see kickers start to kick well other places.
It's you know, just because it doesn't work out, like
Stephen Gostowski who came in to replace one of the
greatest kickers of all time and and did it, you know,

(01:13:45):
with no problem. I mean did it for jeez, what
a decade plus? Like, So it doesn't always happen that way.
I'm caught in the world of like, you can't lose
games because of this, But it also feels kind of
rash to just discard a very good college kicker who,
let's face it, if he continues to kick in the
league and continues to get opportunities, there's probably a pretty

(01:14:08):
good chance that he's going to find some consistency. But
it's just a question of are you willing to put
up with misses?

Speaker 4 (01:14:14):
And and do you give him enough time to do that?

Speaker 13 (01:14:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:14:16):
And are you are you able to because when you're
missing extra points, and it's taking points off the scoreboard,
and you know, had you lost today, that would by
one or two points. That's what everybody's talking about, even
more than they're already going to be talking about it.

Speaker 1 (01:14:30):
So I just I'm it's one of those things in
the game.

Speaker 5 (01:14:33):
Of football that like, there's just a lot of different
examples that point in different directions. And you know, you
invested a draft pick in this kid, so I feel
like it would be okay to give him a chance.
But at the same time, the clock is ticking and
this team needs to win games and they can't afford
to keep having him miskicks every game.

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Speaker 6 (01:19:07):
Here, Sow's how's the moving here today? Boys and girls?

Speaker 4 (01:19:14):
Can you tell we're very cheery?

Speaker 1 (01:19:15):
You're a little bit brighter than last Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:19:18):
Yeah, I like it. I like it, And I would
say this that professional but upbeat was the mood post
game today. Loud as they were coming off the field,
loud in the locker room, which Paul, as you know douce.
Have you been in that locker room Miami? Like the
locker room is right next door to the interview room,
a little bit loud and going in, and I think
I think there was smiles all around. Let's start by

(01:19:39):
listening to the coach, Mike Rabel. I'm just excited for
these guys.

Speaker 24 (01:19:48):
I'm really excited that they could, uh, you know, fight
and compete, come on the road, you know, be in
a game, get off to a good start, not be
front runners. Everything that we talked about, you know, we
tried to get the drive stop sometimes we ended this
drives with scores with touchdowns, were much better in red.

Speaker 6 (01:20:07):
Zone on offensively. The only thing that stopped is today
was us.

Speaker 1 (01:20:11):
Uh So there was a lot of really good keys.

Speaker 6 (01:20:13):
Got to have a lot of confidence in him, and
I do have a lot of confidence.

Speaker 24 (01:20:15):
I didn't waiver, it's gonna go for the fourth and
five to try to you know, get it there. And
then when we got backed up, I immediately just you know,
kicked the field goal.

Speaker 6 (01:20:25):
And I'm happy for Andy, that's why he's here. And
thought after the first two we really settled.

Speaker 24 (01:20:32):
Down and that's what we'll have to have.

Speaker 12 (01:20:34):
Well again, I appreciate the character certainly, don't have to
put it to the test all the time with mistakes
and you know, the silly penalties or being off sides
and having an interception. I mean, there's a lot.

Speaker 6 (01:20:45):
Of things out there that you know, we have to
do better.

Speaker 12 (01:20:48):
But we didn't.

Speaker 1 (01:20:49):
We didn't pout, we didn't drop our head.

Speaker 24 (01:20:51):
We went on to the next play and we kept competing.

Speaker 21 (01:20:53):
And I appreciate that we had to learn how to
compete and believe.

Speaker 12 (01:20:58):
That we can come.

Speaker 24 (01:20:59):
Down here and went foot and I think they did
again that that we're not front runner.

Speaker 21 (01:21:03):
And that's a big thing in this league because you know,
when you're play in the National Football League, you have
to be willing to take some punches and that's okay,
but you got to give more than you take because
that's the nature of this business. Haven't been in a
long time.

Speaker 24 (01:21:17):
There's there's pros on the other side, there's good players
on the other side, there's good coaches. So just again,
proud of my Our team would always be about the
players now and forever.

Speaker 6 (01:21:28):
Like go back to January when he was hired and
he talked about there's going to be adversity that comes
along at some point in time. How do you respond
when adversity comes along? Twelve nothing lead, that should have
been more, and it was eating away pretty quickly. I
thought that that was some decent adversity that they fought
their way through, and I thought that's a good way
to at least get their first win.

Speaker 1 (01:21:49):
Yeah, I mean, I thought the adversity was like a
roller coaster. You know, it wasn't just one dose of it.
I didn't really understand the front runner, and that's exactly
what they jumped. We know this is how they play.
We got to get off to a good start. We
got to get the lead, and we got to make
them chase, and then we're going to be okay. Whereas
the other thing when they fall behind by two touchdowns,
look out, we'll see. But I ain't Mike's point about

(01:22:12):
the taking advantage of bad football. The defense couldn't stop
a nosebleed all day, but when the other team went backwards,
they didn't allow that get out of that hole. They
didn't they didn't allow Miami to get up off the
mat those last two drives. They took advantage of those
false starts and delayed games, and they came up with
the place to close it out. That's to me progress,
that's taking advantage of bad football.

Speaker 4 (01:22:33):
And that's a great mentality to have if you're going
to move forward in this league. You might not be
the best team on paper, but if you can snap
back with that, yeah, And.

Speaker 1 (01:22:42):
There's a lot of bad teams out there. And like
Mike just said, you know, the only thing that stopped
us today was was ourselves. I wholeheardly same for Miami, right,
And you were able to make fewer mistakes than Miami did,
and that's was the difference in the game. And there's
no style points when you're when you're eight wins in
two years and you're on the road in a place

(01:23:03):
that you haven't won in five years, you have to
find a way to get a win. And you're not
going to sit there and say, well, that doesn't really count.
Christian in LA. Do we really get the monkey off
of it? Yes? Yes, And you no longer have a
zero in the column in the win column against Tua.
Now you have a one. So that's not a thing anymore.
Even though toua late ye up, that's not a thing anymore.
You beat them, so now you know you can beat.

Speaker 6 (01:23:25):
Them six years, but who's counting? All right? That was
Mike Rabel. Now let's listen to the players and their
reaction to the win, and we start with Drake May.

Speaker 1 (01:23:33):
That feels good.

Speaker 10 (01:23:35):
That feels good. It took everybody, that's the biggest thing.
Took everybody, defense, trainers, everybody ups out and that one
felt good. And I'm just proud of our guys for
just sticking with it. So many up ups and flows
of the game, edge and flows, and it's just just
proud of the guys. That one feels good from youtive.

(01:23:57):
Oh shoot, I'm proud of this team. These guys around me.
You know, my job to try to get him the
football and least scoring drives and you know defense and
you have to play their their butts off. So just
proud of the guys around me, and you know, great
team win.

Speaker 12 (01:24:08):
Players.

Speaker 1 (01:24:08):
Look up at the scoreboard next year. Oh then somebody's
about to catch 'em. Rabel's running out the sideline or
you just uh.

Speaker 11 (01:24:14):
I caught myself trying to look back at the defend
and I was like, man, you trick and just run.

Speaker 1 (01:24:19):
After that, I have my eyes on the end zone.

Speaker 14 (01:24:20):
And that that was that? Did you try to see
coach Rabel out of it. Yeah he it ain no weird.

Speaker 1 (01:24:26):
He was keeping up with me. I need to run fast.
I heard he almost caught me.

Speaker 3 (01:24:31):
Then we made a call to run and run. Uh
run a game, then shoot out. They got off the
ball and shoot executed when it when they when they
need to be executed. Uh back end held up. Made
him hold the ball and shoot. That's all I'm asking for.
You make 'em one time and shoot. Try my basic
to get back there and figured the game.

Speaker 5 (01:24:52):
H Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:24:53):
It was a dog fight that we went in knowing
it what it was gonna be.

Speaker 11 (01:24:56):
So uh, you know, it's just being relentless playing for
a quarters and then coming out.

Speaker 4 (01:25:02):
I love that Gibbs was so in the zone. He
didn't see Raybel running beside.

Speaker 6 (01:25:06):
Him, any concerns that Rabes would pop a hammy or
anything like that. That he was going he was.

Speaker 1 (01:25:11):
Gonna run Gibson down. I was wondering if Gibson was
gonna make seem able to get in fights. I see
him like running sprints.

Speaker 5 (01:25:17):
He's like in the middle of Scrumbs like I just
I'm praying for his health every time, but I'm getting
used to it.

Speaker 1 (01:25:21):
Because he's clearly always in the mix.

Speaker 6 (01:25:23):
And it wasn't Steve Burton that was chasing him or
running up and down. It was just checking on that.
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Speaker 4 (01:25:45):
That's a big market. See for sure, I'm gonna just
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Speaker 6 (01:25:49):
Let's go social, get it up.

Speaker 1 (01:25:51):
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Speaker 6 (01:25:55):
I should approve a process? I know his video team
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Speaker 5 (01:26:04):
It might be an all, Tim, could I ask a
question and you don't have to give it away, But
have we resurrected the how do we feel?

Speaker 1 (01:26:09):
All?

Speaker 6 (01:26:09):
Yeah, maybe I think You're gonna have to wait and see.

Speaker 5 (01:26:13):
Really, how do we feel about a new socks teaser?

Speaker 14 (01:26:19):
Ah?

Speaker 1 (01:26:25):
Now, Mike Matt in all seriousness, you know, we had
for the most part, people like, you know, the offense,
huge step forward, a little disappointing in the defense, But
bottom line is you find a way to win, and
I think that's a building block for everybody.

Speaker 6 (01:26:40):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:26:40):
I think that's been sort of the message in the
the bulk of the show for the most part.

Speaker 6 (01:26:46):
When the schedule came out in May and you looked
at the first two games.

Speaker 1 (01:26:49):
We said one probably the two toss ups, that you're gonna.

Speaker 6 (01:26:52):
Be the way, right, and that's kind of how the games.

Speaker 1 (01:26:54):
Yeah, Now I think that you have a lot of
games like that. Yeah, the next two with toss ups
as well.

Speaker 5 (01:27:00):
Right, Yeah, yeah, Yeah, I saw Aaron Rodgers' number, so
not too hot there.

Speaker 6 (01:27:05):
No Rogers book at home today, right, Pittsburgh. Yeah, taking out.

Speaker 1 (01:27:09):
He's got a good antidote next week.

Speaker 6 (01:27:11):
Yeah, it's based on.

Speaker 1 (01:27:11):
The first two weeks.

Speaker 5 (01:27:13):
Two or three yards, one touchdown, two interceptions, fifty eight quarterback.

Speaker 1 (01:27:17):
Yeah, he didn't throw for that many yards. Last week.
He threw for four touchdowns. And I think that's what
caught all the highlights was on that on.

Speaker 6 (01:27:23):
The pregame show, talking about the fact that Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 1 (01:27:25):
Didn't think he played. I didn't think he moved well
in the pocket. I didn't think he felt felt the
pressure very well. You know, we'll see. I'm not telling
you that you can't come in here and throw three
fifty next week because everybody else is doing it well.

Speaker 4 (01:27:37):
Like we also said, the numbers may have been skewed
a little higher playing against your former team, you know,
maybe adds a little yeah fire to the game.

Speaker 1 (01:27:45):
We'll see how much juice he's got left.

Speaker 5 (01:27:47):
But I mean, I gotta think it was just hard
for a team like Pittsburgh, and like, what's the hope
that they somehow gut out seven or eight wins and
picked sixteenth overall and don't get any quarterback again this year.
It's like, you know, sometimes you just have to stink
in it and a good quarterback year to really make
it out of the basement.

Speaker 1 (01:28:02):
But we'll see.

Speaker 6 (01:28:04):
One of the takeaways I wanted to ask you guys
about was the conviction and post game by coach Rabel
towards his field goal kicker and sticking with him and
deciding to go with that kick to give them the lead.
Thoughts on the decision.

Speaker 1 (01:28:16):
I thought it was a little ballsy. I mean, I
know we weren't here being like, you can't ask him
to kick this one. I mean it was it was
a far kick. I didn't really have confidence. I think
when they were setting it up, I'm like, there's no way. Yeah,
I think there's less pressure on those than you know
when you quote unquote not supposed to make it like
a you know, like you see all these fifty plus
y otters. I didn't like the decision to go for

(01:28:38):
the field goal, not because I didn't think he was
going to make it. I just didn't I like to
weigh the pluses and minuses, you know, like, if he
makes it, the game situation really hasn't changed dramatically. I
still lose if the other team scores. Now, I understand
the difference between three and six. So I don't need
a math lesson from the nerds. Okay, I understand that
it's harder to score a touchdown. Okay. Ultimately, the way

(01:29:03):
the game unfolded, Miami kicks a field goal to tie
the game. Had he missed the field goal, so I'm
not the fact that he made it, it's not lost
on me. I don't need again, I don't need an
analytics lesson. I don't think it dramatically increased your chances
of winning the game. If he makes the field goal,
I would have gone for it and try to end
the game right there, or I would have thought about
punting and see if I can pin him inside the

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ten and make Miami go sixty sixty five yards to
kick a field goal, which I think is not easy
as it was, it really backfires when the kicker then
follows up is big make by not making the landing
zone and give him the ball to forty yard line.
It took Miami all of three plays to get to
the end zone. Yeah right, Yeah, I mean only because

(01:29:46):
a chance stepped out of bounds, you end up winning
the game, and again not forced out of bounds, stepped
out of bounds on his own right.

Speaker 6 (01:29:53):
One of the things that Mike said after the game
that didn't make it in our little montage there, but
is a good point. Nonetheless, in my opinions, he talked
about he'll enjoy some of these teaching and coaching moments,
as there were plenty of them during the game. It's
a lot better to do that with a win under
your belt as opposed to when you're losing the game.

Speaker 1 (01:30:11):
And that was the point that I didn't Mike and
I sorry, Corn. That was the point that Mike and
I were trying to make it. And it wasn't a lot.
It was like one or two calls that were like
sort of really nitpicky, and I'm you know me, Matt,
I'm here for the nitpicking all day twice on Sunday.
Today ate the day for that. Now, today's the day
to say, for once you went down to your house
of porters and the weird play went your way, you

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responded to the part return with a kick return, and
then the other team stepped out of bounds and you
found a way to win. That's the bottom line. And
I don't know how you cannot feel good about that.
If you're a patriot, I agree with today. Now, there
were a million things that you can get. You're going
to look back on this week and you're going to say,
we got to do this better. That better. We can't
get twelve penalties again next week. We can't snap a

(01:30:57):
ball back, you know, and expect Vermondrie Stevenson to break
four tackles on the screen pass and convert that first
down anyway. You can't do that. You can't do those things.
But today they were able to win the game, and
that to me has got to be the bottom line.

Speaker 4 (01:31:11):
And going back to your question from a coaching perspective,
I understand the conviction to want to keep Burgals in
for the sake of the mental the mental aspect of
the game.

Speaker 5 (01:31:19):
Right.

Speaker 4 (01:31:19):
You don't want to ice your own kicker moving forward,
So I could understand it. To your point about the
coaching moments, the teachable moment of not wanting to pull
them because now you've breused his ego potentially and now
he won't perform in theory the way you would want
him to.

Speaker 6 (01:31:32):
Yeah, I like that.

Speaker 1 (01:31:33):
I mean, give him another chance.

Speaker 5 (01:31:35):
You know, you just wish that the kickoff then hadn't,
you know, like for the record, and like, okay, you
know this is a solid end and uh, you know,
put those two missed extra points behind you. So but
I like, you know, look, it's just going with a
young player. And again it's just I don't know how
to manage kickers, Like it's just it seems like one
of the hardest things to do in the NFL. And
at the ultimate the end of the day, like sometimes

(01:31:57):
it feels like you can just grab a guy off
the scrap heap and will come in and all of
a sudden, he's like an elite kicker.

Speaker 1 (01:32:02):
I don't know how it works. So like this is
just like a little sequence of plays that you know,
how Mike likes to say, you know, is the good,
the bad, and the stuff that gets you beat. This
is the stuff that'll get you beat. So they're protecting
a twenty three to twenty lead in the fourth quarter.
On they get a penalty on Morgan Moses for a

(01:32:23):
false start from their own thirteen. Sets up first and fifteen,
they get an eight yard pass, then they lose six
yards when they try a little swing pass to Stevenson.
It gets killed by Willie yay right telegraph screen pass,
so you end up and it went down as a
running play, but that was a pass. So now it's
third and thirteen from your own ten, and Stevenson breaks

(01:32:45):
several tackles. Now I'm sorry, this is yes, break several
tackles and getting fourteen yards on a screen pass, So
you end up getting first down. Like that's huge. You
follow that up two plays later when Brad Burry lets

(01:33:07):
the ball out of his hand and you go right
back down around your ten yard line. Inside your ten
yard line, and it's third and twenty six and you
end up just throwing like a short little pass and
you end up having a punt. What happened on the punt?
Anybody remember what happened on that punt?

Speaker 6 (01:33:23):
A touchdowns?

Speaker 1 (01:33:24):
I returned it for a touchdown. You know, Like, that's
the crap that will get your beat. That's what Mike
is talking about. Self inflicted wounds, false start, aborted snap
screen pass for minus six. That's the stuff that'll get
your beat. And then you overcome some of that with
a really good individual effort by Stevenson and you give
it right back like again. During the course of the week,

(01:33:48):
when Mike is going over this stuff, it's going to
feel a lot better for them to hear all these
things that they did wrong. The column. That's the stuff
that you get to avoid. Sorry for hijacking the show.

Speaker 6 (01:34:00):
The passion.

Speaker 1 (01:34:01):
Yeah, the second hour, Paul, you know usually.

Speaker 4 (01:34:07):
Energize.

Speaker 6 (01:34:08):
All right, we'll checked up.

Speaker 4 (01:34:11):
You wanna take some more calls? I see Patty in
a be.

Speaker 6 (01:34:15):
In a good condition.

Speaker 1 (01:34:15):
Hey Patty, Hey everyone, Hello, you sound calm?

Speaker 4 (01:34:20):
Are you not happy?

Speaker 22 (01:34:21):
Patty?

Speaker 1 (01:34:21):
Are you not drunk?

Speaker 17 (01:34:24):
No?

Speaker 25 (01:34:25):
Just I had my greens today.

Speaker 1 (01:34:27):
Policies Okay, I mean it's it's five forty certainly, whether
you're your element to be drunk.

Speaker 25 (01:34:35):
Want just want to say one thing, and then with
a question up until like that punt return. When that
punt return happened, I was like, geez, I mean, he's
been doing it all game. Is going to have to
bail us out again? Because up to that point, I
mean the way the defense played, all the friggin penalties,
the guy build us out, and then Antonio Gibson came

(01:34:57):
and build us out. And my question is, did drink?
Did Drake may play his best NFL game today? And
I'll take it off there, guys.

Speaker 6 (01:35:04):
Thanks, Mad loved the question.

Speaker 1 (01:35:05):
Well give it at any thought, I would say, yes, yeah,
me too.

Speaker 6 (01:35:08):
Well, doesn't it also help that they won? By the way,
like it's great to throw for four hundred and fifty. Yeah,
but if you lose the game.

Speaker 1 (01:35:14):
But if I thought he I thought, if he like,
I don't remember him having games with no mistakes, right,
That's why I would say today, like if they had
lost the game twenty seven to twenty three, I would
say today was his best game even though they lost.
But I don't remember him. Mike and I I mean
he goes nineteen for twenty three. You know, he had

(01:35:35):
four incomplete passes the whole game. Do you remember anything
resembling a turnover?

Speaker 6 (01:35:39):
No, there wasn't. There was nothing resembling a turnover. But
you said, I'm here for the pitnicks earlier, didn't sure yep,
And the telegraph lateral screen pass he was going to
Remandra Stevenson.

Speaker 1 (01:35:49):
The's play knowing no passes. That's the point.

Speaker 6 (01:35:52):
I mean, the defense sat there and watched the entire
thing like that was an easy one to sniff out Paul,
That's all I'm saying. No, I think he's got It
was another play early in the game where he's rolling out,
he's looking in the middle of the field, he looks
off and then he gets Hunter Henry along the sideline
for an eight. And that was a great job of
amusing his eyes.

Speaker 1 (01:36:10):
I thought on that one point. Yeah, I just think
a screen pass you got to I mean, you got
to call the play and.

Speaker 6 (01:36:14):
Nobody just keep telegraph that. And I think that you know,
when he knows that the defenders all over him, throat
to his ankles, you know, unless you think that that
was a ladder.

Speaker 1 (01:36:23):
Now, well that's what they called it a ladder, right,
to which I would say, I don't like the design
of the play if it's supposed to go backwards.

Speaker 5 (01:36:30):
But I would just say, but that's a fair nitpick.
Based on quarterback ranking, Drake maybe had a one thirty
seven point three today. That is has to be the
worst highest, right his best game that the second highest
from last year one of nine points seven against Jacksonville.

Speaker 1 (01:36:44):
He was twenty six to thirty seven for two hundred
seventy six yards, two touch and I thought he was
largely garbage. See that's an example. He was garbage in
that and the Rams. The Rams was the second one
where he's twenty nine to thirty nine two touchdowns interception.
He was a little better. It's one hundred point six.
Those are only three times in his career he's been over.
The Jacksonville game, if you recall, they were getting absolutely

(01:37:04):
boat raced, and he put together a couple of cold
cream on the makeoup touchdown drives in the fourth quarter,
which makes that one hundred passer rating. He did not
play well in that game. Did you save cream a
little cold cream on that makeup like makeup calls?

Speaker 6 (01:37:18):
Did you say four incompletions four incompletions four of them.
I think it was in the second half. Who did
he have sort of in the middle of the field.

Speaker 1 (01:37:26):
Digs and he patted himself. Yes, But I think, and
they talked about it on the broadcast. I think it's
on wanted to sit down. I think he threw it
exactly where he wanted to and based on where the
defense was. I think he's right right, but that's a
I like that he especially with digs.

Speaker 6 (01:37:44):
Right now, you your.

Speaker 26 (01:37:48):
Steph, baby, baby, I got you. I'm trying to keep
you on bro thousand yards. You mean we're going baby only.

Speaker 1 (01:37:59):
But the twenty eight.

Speaker 4 (01:38:01):
Unless in Westfield has to say.

Speaker 8 (01:38:05):
Rusty, yeah, hi everybody, yeah, politically my thunder. So here's
the one play I'm thinking about we mentioned for fourth
and two late in the game. It looks like they
lined up and they're gonna try to fake them off
side and then settle for the field goal. I don't
know if that's happening. You can just clear on that one.
But they should have went for it. And I'll tell
you why. Paul nailed it too. They get the first down,
it's over, game's over. That's the nail.

Speaker 24 (01:38:25):
Good.

Speaker 8 (01:38:26):
They don't get it. You're still up by three, you
lose by a field a touchdown. Okay, you kick the
field goal, You're still lose by a touchdown. Do you
see where I'm coming from. I would have win for it,
So I want every one of your opinions. And I
was watching it in the moment. I'm not like after
and I'm so happy they won. But the bottom line
is man fourth and two, Neil, and I want to
punt it, Paul. That would have I think you're on
the thirty yardline.

Speaker 1 (01:38:45):
Yeah, but the fourth and two they ended up jumping
off side to make it fourth and seven. That's when
they kicked the field goal. But I would have gone
for it. I agree with you everything you said.

Speaker 7 (01:38:54):
I agree with absolutely.

Speaker 8 (01:38:55):
Yeah, and how well everybody on your panel, they all
think they should have went for it because that ends
the game. That ends the game I did. If you
don't get it, well, you can't lose on a field
goal goes overtime.

Speaker 6 (01:39:03):
I would have punted Stone, I said, I said in
the moment, I would have punted, and I would have
made him drive it down and kicked the field goal.

Speaker 8 (01:39:10):
Mike, you can't punch it.

Speaker 1 (01:39:12):
I struggle with these I mean, like Russ, he's he's
like me, he's obsessed.

Speaker 6 (01:39:16):
With no he sounds great, and get.

Speaker 8 (01:39:20):
A field goal, it's over time. Well okay, but you
get that first out, it's over. Forget the pun forget
anything else.

Speaker 21 (01:39:25):
You win it.

Speaker 8 (01:39:26):
On that play fourth and two yards, I would.

Speaker 1 (01:39:28):
Have gone for fourth and they first of we're going
to keep saying they were going for it on fourth
and two, Mike said, Morgan Moses went off side and
made it fourth and seven. Yeah, and much like Belichick,
he made it a fourth and ten. It was fourth
and seven. There's a difference. Like Belichick used to do
that all the time. I'm gonna lie on the margins
to make myself look better. But you know, it was

(01:39:49):
fourth and two. They were going for it from the thirty.
They were going for it. They absolutely were going forward. Now,
maybe Russ is right and they were. The goal was
to try to jump throughout jar Mas's side, and wouldn't
that have been the the perfect way to end that
mess of a game. Yeah, there's the Dolphins jumping off side. Unfortunately,
Morgan Moses jumped off side.

Speaker 6 (01:40:07):
Now I like it.

Speaker 5 (01:40:08):
I think I was just in the moment you know,
there's certain appeal of make them have to go the
length of the field for a touchdown with one timeout.

Speaker 6 (01:40:17):
That was what was my head.

Speaker 5 (01:40:18):
But I can't be hypocritical because I really complimented them
for going for it fourth down early in the game.
So if you're going to say, oh, I'm good with
an early game like you wanted that aggression.

Speaker 1 (01:40:30):
The only and there was another fourth down that maybe
had some discussion. I know that CBS discussed it a
little bit with j Mack and Charles Davis. They had
a fourth and goal from the four that they kicked,
the little chip shot field goal. I think that was
a no brainer. I would have kicked the field goal there. Yeah,
I don't see any reason to give up points. You
know your offense was drive, touchdown, drive, touchdown, drive, Let's

(01:40:53):
get points. Let's not give Miami any reason to feel
good about itself when they haven't stopped us all day. Yet.
I would have kicked that field goal and fourth and
goal from the four like they did.

Speaker 4 (01:41:03):
All right, we have some more emails. Let's see who
is this Mike and Binghamton, New York. He said, I
was wondering what you guys thought about Mapoo's performance. We
didn't talk about just a little bit. It seemed like
I didn't see him in the first half and then
noticed him quite a bit in the second. Also, I
saw an ex that Morgan Moses was in a walking
boot in their locker room. What did you see out
of markets Brian in the summer? Because I think he's

(01:41:24):
a backup tackle on the right side.

Speaker 1 (01:41:26):
Mike said that he would be the guy that would start.

Speaker 6 (01:41:29):
Yeah, and Moses was on the injury. It's just questionable
with the Yeah, So that makes sense that he might
be doing something after their because he did he go
wire to wire? I think right he did Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:41:39):
To be honest, I didn't really even clock Mapoo until
he got the interception.

Speaker 5 (01:41:42):
So that's how it goes sometimes. But I think that's
a good piece to go back and look at when
you're trying to think of, like, you know, potential things
to change up or potential things to go to.

Speaker 1 (01:41:54):
I don't know if we're at that point just yet.
But Marty Mapho's new to this position. There's been a
lot of talk over the couple of years he's been
here that is his position as a linebacker, and now
it's he's finally getting the chances that I did see
him a lot, as you know, the up back on
the punt team.

Speaker 5 (01:42:08):
So he's the personal protector on the punt team. That's
an important job too. I don't know how he did
on that with a punt return touchdown, but somebody to look.

Speaker 6 (01:42:15):
At, but the coach. The coach was glowing in his
praise for Mapu because of his mentality as the personal
protector on the punt team. And he made it a
point to say he's engaged, he's really into the meetings.
He takes it seriously. Yea, so guy in his third year, Mike,
who you're saying, what's his position? And all of a
sudden somebody's telling we need you to be the personal protector.

(01:42:36):
You can go a couple different ways with that. You know,
you might get down and out and say, really, this
is what I want to do. He's taken the opposite,
at least according to Mike, and Mike appreciates that. And
I thought that that was interesting that he made it
a point to call him out for that and say
this is the way to handle it. Loves the way
he's engaged with it and taken on the position it's
great stuff.

Speaker 5 (01:42:53):
I love when you know somebody that you don't really
clocked her in the game, that you know you can
go back look out a little bit to see if
you know there's some potential there, because there's not a
lot of depth right now, and so if a young
player is blossoming and potentially has some potential, that'd be
a great thing.

Speaker 4 (01:43:06):
And having that mentality to just step in wherever you
needed him too.

Speaker 5 (01:43:10):
He's such a he's one of those SFG serious football
guys like you just.

Speaker 1 (01:43:13):
He does not He's not here to have funny games.
He's here to study his playbook and talkball and play
all right.

Speaker 4 (01:43:22):
All right, well, wow, are you hitting the end of
the show.

Speaker 1 (01:43:24):
That's it.

Speaker 4 (01:43:25):
That's when you're having fun and it's.

Speaker 1 (01:43:27):
A good show. The Oscar music I know tonight the
final time, No No. A nice win for the organization,
for Mike Raabel, for Drake May. But you got to
build off of it. You got to be better than this.
You got to clean up some of the mistakes.

Speaker 5 (01:43:42):
But in terms of a week two hard to remember
last time they had a big win like this that
that you feel good about.

Speaker 1 (01:43:47):
So great win for them, and on to Pittsburgh.

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