Patriots Postgame Show 9/15: Full Analysis of 20-23 Loss to the Seahawks

Tune-in as we break down everything that stood out from the Patriots 20-23 OT loss to the Seattle Seahawks in Week 2. We bring you the good, the bad and the injured. Plus, we replay postgame press conferences from Jerod Mayo and Jacoby Brissett.

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
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Speaker 2 (00:08):
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Speaker 3 (00:12):
First post dive to the ensode touchdown.

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Speaker 1 (00:24):
And off to Stevenson.

Speaker 4 (00:25):
Well's a big hole across the forty cuts left five
had steam rolls the Defender.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
There live from our studios inside Julett Stadium.

Speaker 5 (00:33):
Here's Matt Smith.

Speaker 6 (00:36):
And we welcome you into our studios here at Jullette Stadium.
And the final score in overtime Seattle comes to New
England and beats the Patriots twenty three to twenty in overtime.
This is the Patriots Postgame Show presented by Draft Kings.
Matt Smith here joined by Paul Prilow other cast, a
character who will join us soon after.

Speaker 1 (00:54):
We will get miked so shortly and my guess is
we'll get the boss Manfred Kursh Yes, shortly after that.

Speaker 6 (00:59):
Good huse to come down here, Paul disappointing one.

Speaker 1 (01:04):
Yeah, I agree, I thought they had opportunities and some.

Speaker 6 (01:07):
Opportunities there to kind of solve this thing away. Good
for them if they stayed in it when things weren't
going their way. That sequence at the end of the
fourth quarter, after Gibson picked up the first down, I
think was a telling one, Paul, where they weren't really
able to do anything. Gibson slips and loses two on
the first carry, sack sack, and they get a field

(01:27):
goal block, and you could just kind of feel a
warm turn at that way.

Speaker 1 (01:31):
I couldn't agree with you more. I thought, you get
you know, and we're going to talk, and I'm going
to use some terms that some people won't like, but
like you got like an accidental fifty yard run, I mean,
you had it blown up in the backfield for minus
five tackle. Couldn't be more of a deflating situation for Seattle.
They're down three, now, they're at the twenty five yard line.

(01:52):
The Patriots are basically twenty five yards away from ending
the game, and they went backwards. I think that you
accurately put your focus on that sequence because that's where
the game was lost in my mind, and.

Speaker 6 (02:05):
My question to you there, Paul, were they playing against
the Seahawks or were they playing against the clock, because
I was wondering if they were worried too much about
the clock they needed a score there in the worst
possible way.

Speaker 1 (02:15):
Yeah, I mean, if they were playing against the clock,
then that's a really really bad decision by the coaches
because there was plenty of time left. The touchdown ends
the game. A field goal does not, matter of fact.
In hindsight, the field goal getting blocked allowed you to
get into overtime, right, because I think that Seattle was
you know, if Seattle's down six instead, they're going for

(02:37):
the touchdown at the end of the game, and they're
probably getting it right. So I thought, if I hope
they weren't going for the clock, let's put it that way.
I think it was just bad execution once they got
down there, and you know, it was unfortunate.

Speaker 6 (02:50):
I guess my question is, Paul, at that point in
time you mentioned and it's a I think it's accurate
you talk about the gift run by Gibson at that
point in time.

Speaker 1 (02:57):
It was a great run by Gibson. By the way,
I'm just saying that's a place Seattle not only the
guy missed him in the backfield, the rest of the
people I think had kind of stopped thinking the play
was over.

Speaker 6 (03:06):
Yeah, So I don't want to take anything away from Gibbs.

Speaker 1 (03:09):
Gibson was really good today. He was really just going
to show up on the good list.

Speaker 6 (03:12):
And I think that that was a big play. It
just seemed then and there that they, you know, again
uber conservative and the ability to protect the quarterback when
he drops back to pass. It's it's alarming.

Speaker 1 (03:25):
I talked about this last week. You can you can
have a lot of these things where you know, your
quarterback are squirting around making some plays and you're finding
a way to you know, to avoid sacks and make place.
It's not a good way to live. No, you know,
last week, my guess is everybody thought the offensive line
was good. This week, my guess is everybody thought the
offensive line was bad. I didn't really see a whole

(03:46):
lot of difference between the two performances up front.

Speaker 6 (03:49):
Right, you're a Johnny computer here with the stats. What
did they end up running for?

Speaker 7 (03:52):
Paul? Were they over?

Speaker 8 (03:53):
You know?

Speaker 1 (03:54):
The Patriots ran the ball reasonably well, Now a little
of that is deceptive because of the these two big runs.
But yeah, the Patriots ended up running for one hundred
and eighty five yards on thirty six carries five yard average.
I mean, that's that's certainly running it well enough. Now,
you had a forty five yard run from Gibson, an
eighteen yard run from Stevenson. You know, Stevenson, even with

(04:15):
the eighteen yard run was below four yards a carry,
so you know, Seattle showed up and handled him. But
overall it is I think that you summed it up perfectly, Mike,
and as Mike is getting him, will let him get
set up. But I thought Matt made a great point
right off the top, Mike, that there were just lost
opportunities in this game, none more so than you get

(04:36):
the long run by Gibson to get down to the
twenty five yard line and coming away there even with
a field goal, and a field goal ultimately got blocked
by coming away even with a field goal, to me,
was a lost opportunity to end the game. And I
think ultimately that's that's where the game was lost.

Speaker 9 (04:51):
Yeah, I agree, I mean, I guess my first thought
and I haven't even looked at the stats running, but
it just felt like one team had a passing game
that was you know, effective, and the other team didn't function,
didn't generally, you know, I think the Patriots were kind
of tooth and claw trying to, you know, put some
things together. I mean, they had some nice runs when
they were complimentary, but at the end of the day,
it was, you know, just the fact that Gino Smith

(05:12):
was able to complete a bunch of passes to his
wide receivers and make some big plays, and they were clutched.

Speaker 5 (05:17):
They were the better team at the end.

Speaker 9 (05:18):
They got the game tying field goal, and then they
got in overtime and then they both sides of the
ball contributed for them, just like it.

Speaker 5 (05:24):
Did for the Patriots last week. So, you know, heart
fought loss.

Speaker 6 (05:27):
It's unfortunate and missed opportunity.

Speaker 7 (05:29):
How about the.

Speaker 1 (05:30):
Front, you know, and I agree with you know, everything
you guys are saying up front. I'll say I was
r like, I thought, you put this game in Gino
Smith's hands and you're gonna be in good shape. Sheeno
Smith was was terrific. Now, he didn't get much help
from his guys, who dropped seemingly a pass every other drive,
but he was terrific. He didn't put the ball in

(05:51):
harm's way. I don't think a single time all day.
Maybe that deep ball that seemed to come out funny,
but I think something might have had I think Dietrich
Wise might have affec did that pass.

Speaker 9 (06:00):
Yeah, that's the one to go look back.

Speaker 1 (06:01):
I'm not serious.

Speaker 7 (06:02):
I don't.

Speaker 1 (06:02):
I don't think that he put the ball in Harm's
way really at all during the course of that game.
And just watching the end of the Ravens Raiders game,
the Raiders are about to pull off an upset here. Yeah,
I mean, that's it. That was a forward lateral for
some reason, Number zero for the Raiders just decided to
spike the ball. Set spike the ball instead of just
recovering it. That's my first red zone for right now.

(06:24):
You got to get used to those very good But no,
I I think Matt nailed it deuce, just like I
really think that juncture of the game was really important.
They had they needed to go up two scores there
and they didn't.

Speaker 6 (06:35):
And and look, we're gonna spend a lot of time
dissecting and analyzing the Patriots play. That's what we're doing.
It's a Patriots postgame show presented by DraftKings. But I
want to say, Paul, I know you're trying to take
the You you know I was wrong in Gino Smith.
Hats off to Gino Smith.

Speaker 1 (06:49):
He was He played very well, and he was played
better than a journeyman back up, no question, just the
way I described him today, he was much better than that.
Some of those throws he made are deep crossers, deep
in cuts. I mean, like like layered over the linebackers
and in front of the safeties. I mean some of
those throws were not easy. Yeah, I think Matt nails,

(07:11):
I think hats off to Gino Smith.

Speaker 6 (07:13):
He played well web radio at Patriots dot Com. And
this is Andy who's emailing in and I just like
helped me out. I don't know if there's a great
correlation with the Super Bowl, and I apologize if I don't.
If I'm not Ernie Adams with the rules. But he's
asking you had the game winner for some reason, thought
taking the ball first and overtime was a good decision.
Don't you want to wait and see what the other
team does? Do you feel comfortable enough to defer.

Speaker 1 (07:36):
In regular season?

Speaker 7 (07:37):
No?

Speaker 1 (07:37):
In regular season, I want the ball first in the
super Bowl when you're guaranteed.

Speaker 7 (07:42):
Yeah, okay, all right, that's right.

Speaker 6 (07:43):
I'd like to think that you could hold him to
a field goal on that which you did. I mean,
I know that they took your foot off the gas.

Speaker 1 (07:51):
And they didn't hold Seattle to a field goal.

Speaker 8 (07:52):
At the end.

Speaker 1 (07:53):
That was first twelve, but Iver it was thirteen.

Speaker 6 (07:57):
There is a part of me that wonders if you'd
like to see with the other team does. But it's
not the same the rules and overtime in the Super bowls.

Speaker 7 (08:03):
Yeah, not a great analogy.

Speaker 1 (08:04):
So you don't get you don't get the chance. So
even even if they score a touchdown in the Super Bowl,
you're still getting the ball. You can't take the chance
that the other team scored, you know what I mean,
you don't want to give you that first possession. Plus
I'll even say this now it didn't work out this way.
But the new touchback, you know, you know with the
dynamic kickoff, which I don't know about you guys, but

(08:25):
it had me on the edge of my seat.

Speaker 7 (08:27):
Yes it's less than dynamic, but in.

Speaker 1 (08:30):
All seriousness, starting on the thirty. So now the Patriots
that go three and out, even on a three and out,
you're punting from the thirty nine yard line. You pin
the other team back, right, you know what I mean.
So even if you go three and out, you're still
winning the field position battle. Now, unfortunately for the Patriots,
Seattle just drove the ball right down their throat, you know,

(08:52):
and end of the game.

Speaker 6 (08:53):
We are in the golden age of punting. By the way,
does every team just have a weapon who just knocks
down you?

Speaker 1 (08:57):
Finally coming around to my line of thought.

Speaker 6 (08:59):
No, I just well, I mean, these guys are all
so good, they're like, so they have put.

Speaker 1 (09:04):
That Dixon had in the first half was an unbelievable
momentum turn. It allowed the Seahawks. The Seahawks had the
ball with like two and a half minutes left. Allow me,
because like this this is my jam, Matt, you might
want to take notes. Okay, there's about two and a
half minutes left in the half and the Seahawks have
the ball with all their time outs and a chance

(09:25):
for the double score. The Patriots come up big because
one of the Seahawks guys and I forget which one,
dropped a pass and the Seahawks end up having to punt,
which now not only eliminates quote unquote eliminates the double score,
but allows the Patriots an opportunity to get you know,
get back into the game. I think it was seventeen

(09:46):
what's the halftime, seventeen thirty, seventeen thirteen, So it allows
them to maybe get a field goal to get within
one at the half. Instead, Dixon hits a moonshot out
of bounds at what the sixth r the eight, So
now that completely makes the Patriots offensive possession conservative, and

(10:06):
don't you know, Seattle ends up getting the ball back
with all of their time outs left after a good
punt return, which they take over at midfield, and they
do have a chance for the double score. They get
a field goal it was actually fourteen thirteen at a time,
get a field goal to end the half, and then
they start the second half with the ball again. I
thought that punt by Dixon was a huge play.

Speaker 6 (10:28):
Michael in South Carolina rights, we should have won this game.
Put the kid in. I think you're going to hear
a lot of that. The drum's going to start to
get a little out of this week. It's Drake may time.
I'm done with the experiment. You can't have three receptions
for receivers in a game and win.

Speaker 1 (10:42):
I would just say this today, just the way the
game unfolded for today. Drake May would have had a really,
really hard time the amount of immediate pressure that Brissett
had today. I don't know how that looks with a rookie.
I don't and I can't wait for the rookie to
get in. I said it today during the game, Mike.

(11:04):
Mike and Evan got mad at me during the game today, Matt,
why because when one of those shots that present Now,
I am not, I am not Fred Kirsh. I do
not root for injuries. I do not like injuries. I
hate injuries. But when he took one of those shots,
I was like, ooh, this might be the start of
the Drake May era.

Speaker 10 (11:22):
I was.

Speaker 1 (11:22):
I was actually thinking that. And then they yelled at me.
Not like this.

Speaker 5 (11:26):
I don't think we yelled.

Speaker 7 (11:27):
It was just augh.

Speaker 1 (11:28):
So Paul, not now, this isn't the time we're trying
to focus.

Speaker 6 (11:31):
We're fifteen minutes in and we've talked, you know, pretty
much exclusively about the Patriots offense today, and I want
to ask you and Stephan from Germany wants to say
a little something about the defense. The defense is good,
not great. I agree, and I think that that was
proven to be a little bit today. They did not
have a great day today.

Speaker 9 (11:50):
No, And I mean I again I got to look
at the film, but I mean the feeling, the feeling
to me, you know, was kind of what I said
that they're just you know, he had some time back
there and was able to you know, get to his
second and third reads and and you know he certainly.

Speaker 5 (12:03):
Wasn't under the duress that Jacobe Brissette was in.

Speaker 9 (12:06):
Now they're finally getting to look at the statistics, though,
I mean it's kind of overwhelming when you look at
how much they pass from two hundred yards and meet
like one hundred and whatever yards. So, uh, you know
that that's kind of it to me. I mean I
thought the defense was and they.

Speaker 1 (12:17):
Did that without any running game, Yeah, yeah, nothing, So
it's uh, you know, I think you start to learn
who you are.

Speaker 9 (12:25):
And I think sometimes we watch enough a training camp
that you have an inkling of I think this is
what this team are, it is, and maybe the first
game can throw you off the scent a little bit,
but I think ultimately teams kind of regress towards what
they were. Hey, look, I will give credit to not
a lot of penalties, you know, not a lot of
self inflicted wounds.

Speaker 7 (12:42):
It's just over.

Speaker 9 (12:43):
This is the bottom line, though, you know, and this
is what we get back to, is that it's just
it's hard to win when you don't have a passing
offense in today's NFL.

Speaker 5 (12:49):
And that, really, to me is the bottom line.

Speaker 6 (12:51):
And I think the other point there to be made,
Mike is one hundred percent right on that one. I
think it's also very tough for this team, the way
they're constructed. If they don't turn the the other team over,
it's gonna be really.

Speaker 7 (13:01):
Hard for that.

Speaker 1 (13:02):
I would agree with that, Matt. The other team didn't
help them a lot today. Now, they did drop a
at least a half dozen passes, but they didn't turn
it over. They didn't set them up on short short fields.

Speaker 6 (13:11):
Okay, Matt, let's go to the good, the bad, and
the injured.

Speaker 1 (13:14):
Please, now it's time for the good.

Speaker 7 (13:16):
Pretty good, bet they pretty good?

Speaker 2 (13:21):
The bad, and the injured.

Speaker 9 (13:23):
Ah, you are right guy.

Speaker 6 (13:32):
Okay, Paul, I'll let you kick things off with who, youth,
Who are your goods.

Speaker 7 (13:36):
That you want to make sure that you highlight?

Speaker 1 (13:38):
All right, I'll start off with Mike. You set Mike, Mike,
Dusseau's pregame prediction of Hunter Henry. I thought he was
really instrumental in the offense in the first half. Eight
Both of those are career highs. One hundred and nine

(13:58):
is his career high in yardage ties, a career high
in single game receptions. You know, I thought he did
a nice job of sort of maximizing his opportunities that
little little screen, you know, misdirection screen, which I thought
they dialed up very well and had an opportunity on.
I thought that was a big play in the game.

(14:18):
And uh, I thought he was really the best part
of the offense absolutely, you know, at least in the
first half when they had an offense.

Speaker 7 (14:26):
Yeah, it was my thought.

Speaker 1 (14:28):
I thought it was.

Speaker 5 (14:28):
Him my Fred Curse lock of the week, Jessee Fred.
I think out they're gonna done it right now. But yeah,
great game from Hunter. He was the offense today.

Speaker 9 (14:35):
And like I said, he's part of he he is
meant to get catches like this, like maybe like to
see a little bit more Hooper, but but hen Or
Henry was outstanding today's turn. Oh sorry, I each nominate one,
and then we talked, I'm.

Speaker 1 (14:50):
Just gonna I'm just gonna let you know, after Mike
gives one, we're going to expect one from you that
you give. Okay, that's fine.

Speaker 9 (14:58):
Uh, I'm gonna I'm gonna go to Antoni Gibson.

Speaker 5 (15:01):
You know, I it wasn't you know.

Speaker 9 (15:02):
I think Romandre was probably more productive, and I think
probably Rimandre will be on there too for me. But
I'm gonna go with Gibson. That big forty five yard
play you mentioned Paul coming at the right time.

Speaker 5 (15:11):
You need big plays.

Speaker 1 (15:12):
I mean that was listed at a fist pump from Mike.
I said, I've been in the press box with Mike
do So for five years and I can't I can't
recall a fist pump from mikeson.

Speaker 9 (15:21):
I'm back, baby, I I you know, I'm I'm I'm
not I'm allowed to say this, but I'm pulling for
these guys. No I I that was a big play,
and I mean that's you know, generating explosive plays when
you're passing game. You know, Jacobi Prissett throws for what
is it, one hundred and forty nine yards. I mean,
they just they didn't exist today through the air. They
had to find a way to get him through the
get through on the ground, and I thought, you know,
Gibson gave a little bit of a spark aside from

(15:43):
from what Romandre did, so I'm gonna put.

Speaker 1 (15:45):
Yeah, put him on. I had Gibson as well, eleven
for ninety six. I thought he did a good job
of avoiding contact in the backfield too. I mean, obviously
the forty five yard run, but I thought other times too.
I thought he did a good job of not allowing
first guy to make the tackle.

Speaker 6 (16:01):
We're joined by the boss, me and Fred Kirsch. You
asked me to just put one in. I will put
one in. I thought defensively, two guys I thought played
like that you could count on them, and that's Dugger
and White. I'm not gonna wimp out and just call
a tie, but I would say that Dugger, he really
looks like he's kind of handling, you know, a lot
on his plate. They lose Bentley early. I don't know

(16:23):
who's making the call. I assume it's McMillan, but I
thought Duggar did a nice job of trying to get
people lined up in the right spot. He made a
couple of plays, you know, fourth down, and they don't
block him. He gets a sack, but he looks like
a really steadying presence and you can see why the
organization is invested in him.

Speaker 9 (16:39):
Yeah, yeah, like the Dugger, you know, a couple of
big plays look and just yeah, I had at least
at least a couple of checks on him. Did have
the blown coverage though.

Speaker 1 (16:46):
Yeah, he made some big plays that showed up. A
fourth down stop was definitely Dugger, and he had a
big sack in the first half. But then he also
was involved in some other plays.

Speaker 9 (16:57):
We'll get to that.

Speaker 6 (16:58):
Okay, while we're doing this, as Fred Kirsch joins us. Now, Fred,
let's get your initial thoughts on the Patriots twenty three
twenty overtime loss to drop to one and one.

Speaker 7 (17:07):
Well, what I was thinking about when they lost the
game as the ball's going through the uprights is what
Paul said during the week. If neither team turns the
ball over, the Patriots will probably lose. Patriots need that
one or two turnovers. Yeah, and that didn't happen. They
didn't turn the ball over, but neither did Seattle. And

(17:29):
on an even playing field, the Patriots are a little
bit overmatched.

Speaker 6 (17:33):
Right, You're limited and and you know we knew that
going in. Yeah, I think I said that earlier, Fred,
as you were walking in. I just don't think the
way the team is built, if they can't turn it over,
he's just not enough the here to help generate enough
offense that's it to win the game.

Speaker 7 (17:48):
Yeah, I mean, look, they did everything they could, you know,
so it was competitive. I don't feel good about losing
the game, but it's not like, oh, the guy's falling. No,
the guy's are falling. Fred.

Speaker 6 (18:02):
But and again we were discussing a little bit about
this before, and I want your thoughts on it seemed
like they might a lot let one get away.

Speaker 7 (18:10):
This was a miss start. Oh yeah, I mean listen
the sack by Jacoby at the end there that put
the field goal just a little bit further back than,
of course the block of the field goal. You know,
there's a play here and there that It wasn't as
perfect as last week, and last week wasn't obviously perfect,
but it was closer to perfection than a lot closer

(18:32):
than this week. And I think I think Smith actually
played better than Joe Burrow did last week.

Speaker 1 (18:38):
You know, by the time, so I was talking in
the press box and not the press box and the
press elevator coming down. I looked at it. I thought
they did a lot more things well today than they
did last week. The team that they played today tried.

Speaker 7 (18:52):
Yeah, that's the difference a better team.

Speaker 1 (18:55):
Last last week the team was on a wildcat strike.
And I'm kind of like just watching a little red
zone and I'm watching them play in Kansas City. In
the difference of way Cincinnati looked to start the game
as opposed to last week. You know what, it's given
me vibes, and Fred, you'll know exactly what I'm talking about.
Give me three Patriots vibes. We're gonna feel sorry for
ourself in week one. We're gonna lay an egg in

(19:16):
Buffalo and get blasted, and then we're gonna say, well,
who were really hurting by rolling over on the season.
We have a whole season to play. And then they
came back the next week and they won in Philadelphia
and they looked more like the normal Patriots. I kind
of think Cincinnati had a little of that going on
last week. So I think today I think Seattle came.
You know, they were banged up, they fought through some injuries.

(19:38):
They lost two more linebackers, during the course of the game.
They were already down to going into the game, but
they played hard. Both teams played really hard in that game.
It was a physical game. There was a lot of
things to like. I mean, I'm not trying to I'm
not trying to play the oh, it's a moral victory
kind of crap. I don't believe in that. You guys
know that. But I thought they played pretty well today.

(19:59):
The other team played pretty we well too, and it
came down to world overtime kick.

Speaker 7 (20:02):
Yeah, yeah, it was.

Speaker 9 (20:03):
I mean, we've watched a lot of bad games over
the last couple of years. This was not a bad game.
This was an entertaining game. This was also a game
that it felt like the Patriots had some fight in them,
and it wasn't you know, the second things start to
go bad, they start to feel sorry for themselves. They
punched back a little bit. They didn't have the clutch
at the end that they had last week. But that's
something that I think young teams can can grow, you know,
grow into and learn from.

Speaker 5 (20:24):
So it was it was a fun game.

Speaker 9 (20:26):
I just had watched so many games where it didn't
really you know, you just, man, this is back and
forth and you know, answering, and you know, you go
three and out, but then you come back and put
together a touchdown drive. So I guess I just I'd
throw jirob Mayo on the uplist. I thought they came
ready to play today. They took the lead again. They
didn't have what, like you know, not really any major
impactful penalties, nothing stupid.

Speaker 1 (20:48):
For sure, I'm going to rebuttal for that later.

Speaker 9 (20:50):
Okay, well wait for that, but you know, look, I'm
not going to hold it against Mail that they you know,
weren't quite able to finish. And but overall, I just
thought those guys were ready to play. They played hard,
and I like the identity that this team's kind of building,
even if they do have some shortcomings here in the
early going.

Speaker 7 (21:05):
Do we shift to the.

Speaker 1 (21:06):
Bed No, I thought. I thought Alex van Pelt today
did some things that we didn't see last week, and
that allowed them to get off to a good start
offensively in the first half. Now we know there's a
challenge because they just don't have dynamic players on offense,
so there's a challenge to find different ways to move

(21:28):
the ball. And I thought that little screen for thirty
five yards to Hunter. Henry was one of those hadn't
seen that play all training camp. We've seen screens to
tight ends, but not like I thought there was something
a little bit different about that. I thought that they
dialed up some things. There was a play that would
have been a touchdown that unfortunately Jacoby Brissett got so
much pressure on he had to retreat about twenty yards,

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was falling back and by the time Henry was able
to catch it, he had a slide to the ground
right right, yep, there was nobody near him. That's a touchdown, right,
as our bardy Evan likes to say, that was leak
right right, Deuce.

Speaker 7 (22:03):
Yeah, it was leak.

Speaker 1 (22:04):
No, he was going crazy, which is basically they leaked
the tight end out, you know, and he was uncovered
like that stuff. I think Alex man Pelt.

Speaker 7 (22:11):
Deserves some, yeah, some credit for There was one play
where I thought they overthought it a little bit.

Speaker 1 (22:16):
I thought it was like the play of the game. Well,
it was the third of the game, third and one
in overtime, and this is where I'm on Mayo and like,
what are we doing? Taekwon Thornton's in the back.

Speaker 7 (22:25):
Yeah, they brought him in for a little eye candy
and then you know, gave it to uh Remandre inside
and it didn't fool anybody, you know. So But yeah,
what the frustrating thing for me in this game is
just the offense as a whole. It's other than Hunter Henry.

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Everything is is a battle getting the ball to the
wide receivers. It's nothing comes easy, nothing happens fast. You know,
I don't know if like the first read for Brissette
was never there, but he never dropped back and through
the ball and not once.

Speaker 1 (23:08):
I agree with you that he holds the ball. That's
the knock on him. He holds the ball too long.
But I will say again for the second week, I
thought he was remarkable in avoiding sacks.

Speaker 7 (23:16):
Oh yeah, but the fact that he had to you know,
like you got to imagine, like if we're gonna give
a v P a VP praise for overall play calling,
you got to say, Okay, well, he has to know
the limitations.

Speaker 1 (23:29):
Of his line show up on other lists.

Speaker 7 (23:31):
Yeah, there has to be a game plan for getting
the ball out of Jacoby's hands quickly. And whatever the reason,
whether it's Jacoby, the line or the receivers, it's not happening,
and it's just frustrating to see every time he drops back,
he's running around.

Speaker 6 (23:48):
Right, Where's where's the tear screen? Where are those wide
receiver screens?

Speaker 7 (23:51):
You know, little drive? Where's the quick splint to pop
Douglas Slin?

Speaker 1 (23:56):
So I'll tell you something. This is just observational, and
I'm sure that everyone will tell me how wrong I am.
On Tuesday, I think composing teams just saying, yeah, that's
all they got. Let's make sure he doesn't beat us. Yeah,
because he's a complimentary piece. Yeah, funny thing happened on
the way to one hundred and twenty catch season. Who
summoned the meat in the local media is predicted money

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one hundred and twenty catches?

Speaker 7 (24:19):
Yeah, Michael, we uh are we pivoting to bad? And
I'll let you off.

Speaker 9 (24:24):
No, you know what I'm gonna I gotta throw Baringer
on there.

Speaker 6 (24:26):
He just had some boom about punting though, like in
an overall way.

Speaker 9 (24:30):
Didn't we that's fairn But I hey, the poor guy,
he punted well, and I want to give him his
flowers for a second. I mean he had two fifty
six yarders that were both you know, down one at
the fifteen one at to ten.

Speaker 11 (24:38):
Uh.

Speaker 9 (24:39):
I know Paul probably pointed out the one punt and
he punted up the middle that they got back up
to the fifties player in the game. What's a bad one.
But uh, but otherwise he had he had a couple
of good punts.

Speaker 5 (24:49):
I just think he's booming the ball.

Speaker 1 (24:50):
Yeah he is. I thought he was. I thought he
was more good than bad though I understood why he
was on the good list, but he also had a
bad touch back in my opinion.

Speaker 7 (24:58):
All right, Paul, do you want to did.

Speaker 1 (25:01):
I also had Mike's boys, Uh, Peppers and Anthony Jennings.

Speaker 7 (25:07):
We're gonna get me to do this and I don't
want to do.

Speaker 1 (25:09):
It the big with a big sack. I thought that
got them off the field in the first half. But yeah,
we can move to the bad.

Speaker 8 (25:15):
Well.

Speaker 6 (25:16):
I just want to on Pepper's unlike last week, there's
more more bad Pepper specifically. I just want to I
just want to say this. I know why everybody loves him.
He's a great leader, he cares, he was a good
guy to extend. It drives me wacky when he's chopping
over the pile not doing anything. There's there's a ball
in the air that if he catches, if he plays

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the ball, any competent defensive back catches that ball, and
there's just you know, that's a missed opportunity for this
team and the safeties instead of having to just drill
somebody need to catch those games. It was the one
real bad ball that Gino Smith threw. I would have
liked to have seen Peppers.

Speaker 7 (25:52):
Yeah, Smith's arms hit.

Speaker 1 (25:54):
Yeah, it should have had that should have had it,
no questions, And Pepper should have had Yeah, he misjumped it.
He means time, just jump.

Speaker 7 (26:01):
He should have it.

Speaker 1 (26:02):
He tried. He tried to knock it down.

Speaker 7 (26:04):
I can't lay to it.

Speaker 9 (26:05):
And I felt like he he had like he was
like maybe he jumped late. I can see that, but
I didn't like he just how the play was like
he was I saw.

Speaker 1 (26:13):
I think he lost his field awareness and didn't realize
there was nobody there but him. He was knocking it
down from nobody and.

Speaker 6 (26:19):
When the team's this then on the margins. Those are
the plays that you know, just a little bit here,
a little bit there. I would have liked to have
seen him. Man, I'm not going to kill the guy.

Speaker 7 (26:26):
I wouldn't.

Speaker 1 (26:27):
I wouldn't kill him for it either. I have him,
just Mike, just so you don't get really mad at me.

Speaker 7 (26:31):
I have him.

Speaker 1 (26:32):
I have him on the good list, just.

Speaker 7 (26:35):
Before you move off the good in his role as
the extra blocker. I thought Kayden Wallace did well. Yeah,
i'd agree with that.

Speaker 8 (26:42):
I didn't.

Speaker 5 (26:43):
I didn't notice.

Speaker 1 (26:44):
I didn't either, And they didn't really haven't much in
terms of conventional running not It's all like these broken
plays that Stevenson and Gibson made. It again, a lot
of yards are on their own. I mean the yards
piled up, the yards piled up, But I didn't really
see a lot of we're just gonna line up and run.

Speaker 7 (27:00):
Yeah, I'm not saying I thought he did well. Okay,
you're gonna kick things up.

Speaker 1 (27:05):
When when Fred sniff's that means that means he's right,
you're wrong.

Speaker 7 (27:09):
Okay, good to know.

Speaker 1 (27:10):
I'm going to write, all right, Okay, the bad I
would say a combination. I'll let Mike take the second
part of it. I'll focus on the secondary, the pass defense.
To me, I didn't think they had more than a
handful of guys reasonably well covered in this game. There
weren't a lot of tough throws into tight windows. There

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was just guys open. It started with the first touchdown
of the game where Gonzales and Dugger both let I
don't know, you might want to cover a guy who
runs like that. H DK metcalf all by himself. He
catches ten for one hundred and twenty nine and had
two flat out drops, two flat out drops that hit.
One of them would have been a twenty yard er

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over the middle that hidden between the one and the four.
The secondary was just not good. And I and that
that's went across the board today. Yeah, everybody that was
involved in coverage today struggled.

Speaker 9 (28:04):
I put Marco Wilson to in the spotlight just because
of his unnecessary pass interference penalty on you know.

Speaker 1 (28:11):
They would have gotten necessary, would have gotten.

Speaker 9 (28:13):
Off the field a couple plays from him. He was
he was another one. And I'm with you on Gonzalez,
And I mean, I you know, like I said in
the pregame show, if he's picking them apart, I wonder
what the pressure's like. And the pressure wasn't great either.

Speaker 10 (28:24):
That's why I left.

Speaker 1 (28:25):
That's why I left the second.

Speaker 9 (28:26):
It's all kind of connected, but you know, I just
would say to stay on the secondary, that this is
a game where you need Gonzalez if he's going to
be that guy to step up and make some plays,
you know, and those guys Jonathan Jones unfortunate pass interference,
I mean, you can really go. I mean I thought
Marcus Jones had some moments again where he he you know,
he is.

Speaker 1 (28:43):
I thought he's making some plays. Now it's tough because
Smith and Jig but caught a million pass. Yeah, but
I thought I thought that his coverage was more competitive
today than I've seen it think his career.

Speaker 9 (28:56):
I'm glad you put it that way. That's that's what
I saw too. But uh, you know, not enough from
the secondary. But again we'll see like what the pressure
rates and all that kind of stuff was, because it
just felt like Gino had a lot of time and
it's hard for anybody to cover forever.

Speaker 6 (29:09):
And I think I saw some people on the Twitter world,
you know, screaming about the penalty.

Speaker 7 (29:13):
We should talk about that for a second.

Speaker 6 (29:15):
On Jay Jones unfortunate call, but I don't think that
that was you know, do you let him play on
that one?

Speaker 7 (29:21):
The broadcaster the broadcast has said he was looking back.
It shouldn't have been called.

Speaker 1 (29:25):
But he shouldn't have been tackling him before the ball
got there.

Speaker 7 (29:28):
He didn't tackle Matt.

Speaker 1 (29:31):
What did you think? Because Fred will never agree with me.

Speaker 7 (29:34):
I'm just telling you what the broadcaster said.

Speaker 1 (29:36):
But I'm just telling you what's what I saw.

Speaker 6 (29:38):
I thought it was passing. It was past interference. You know,
too much contact on that play, and like.

Speaker 1 (29:43):
The guy can't catch the pass if his two arms
are might pinned to his body by the other player.

Speaker 6 (29:48):
And that's not a reason why they lost the game.

Speaker 7 (29:50):
The broadcaster said he was looking back to make the play.
It shouldn't have been a.

Speaker 1 (29:53):
Call, but he was not playing the ball. He's looking
back while tackling.

Speaker 7 (29:56):
He's just telling you what he said.

Speaker 1 (29:58):
I know, but what do you think? You mad? And
I heard what the announcer said. What did you think?

Speaker 7 (30:04):
I couldn't tell? Okay, right, Mike?

Speaker 6 (30:09):
Oh what the sniff? Mike leading off for your bed.

Speaker 9 (30:14):
Yeah, I mean, I guess I don't know if I
officially put the pass rush on there, but I would
just put pass rush just not consistent enough, not disruptive enough,
too many times clean pocket. Gino's got time, you know,
a guy needs to clear the center of the field
on a crosser and he's got the time. I thought
that was, you know, one of the biggest differences. There
were a couple of times on the Patriots offense where
felt similar, like, all right, if you can just let
Douglas cross and get and get past the middle, they

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might have something, but they didn't have the time to
and by that time.

Speaker 5 (30:38):
Jacoby would have to try to sneak out.

Speaker 9 (30:40):
So I just they're gonna need more than key On White,
you know, to generate pass rush. We need Josh Uch,
we need a guy like Daniel Qualley to have some
push t trick wise, you know those guys.

Speaker 5 (30:50):
It's just it just wasn't enough today. They weren't disruptive enough.

Speaker 1 (30:53):
I totally agree with you, Mike. They not only need
they need like someone to win sudden like they don't
get any Like Keon White has like what is it now,
three and a half sacks, they have just one today.
I think he is because he was involved in one
of the ones earlier in the game. I don't think
he got credit for anything. I think that was the
one Jennings and Pepper's shared.

Speaker 5 (31:13):
Yeah, one point five today Okay.

Speaker 1 (31:15):
So he's up to four sacks in the season. He
doesn't get there quickly. They need someone to win suddenly,
and not when when the quarterback is scrambling and just
tackling them before he gets to the line. Now, those
are valuable plays, like Keon White had one of those
today for for a seven yard loss. That's a valuable play.
But to Mike's point, if the coverage isn't there, the

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pass rush doesn't get home. Whereas there have been times
the other way where the pass rush is immediate and
Brissett's forced to make a quick decision to avoid a sack.
The Patriots haven't had enough of those. I think the
pass rush is worthy to be questions mine.

Speaker 6 (31:54):
And there's a couple times, and I know they want
to disguise or who knows what they're trying to do.
But when you see White twenty five yards down the
field that is taking the middle zone away, or ushe
who's way downfield and is not involved in a passing down,
those are kind of when you're trying to generate a
pass rusher and you're limited there. As far as that's concerned,

(32:14):
it's interesting to see that, you know how some of
those disguises, have those people not involved in doing that?
To me, it was interesting at least I don't know exactly.
Obviously you don't know what the play call is or
anything like that, but it's interesting to see those kind
of impact pass rushers twenty five yards down the field.

Speaker 9 (32:29):
Yeah, no, absolutely, I mean it's it's they're scrambling right now.
I mean we talked about it all summer long. They
missing bar More, missing Jude On. Those were the teams
Bentley key pieces, and you know, Joan Bentley didn't didn't
help Ei there. I mean, as much as he's kind
of an early down guy, they've used him more as
every down pass rush.

Speaker 1 (32:45):
And he basically missed the game. Like I you know,
I talked a lot about Seattle's linebackers. That's a big
loss with the Patriots defense in the middle of the defense.
He missed the last three quarters. So yeah, that was
that's an impactful injury.

Speaker 6 (32:56):
I saw him on the sidelines a couple of times
in civilian clothes and he was engaged and trying to help.

Speaker 7 (33:02):
On and everything like that.

Speaker 1 (33:03):
But that's not a good.

Speaker 7 (33:04):
Sign, correct, Yeah, you need a shoulder as a linebacker.

Speaker 6 (33:07):
Right Well, it on a short week like that, Like,
I don't think that that bodes well for his availability
on Thursday.

Speaker 5 (33:14):
Night, right, no quick turnarounds.

Speaker 1 (33:16):
So, Fred, do you have any any bads? I'm always
curious for Fred's bads. Well, I mean, yeah, there can't
bring himself to do it.

Speaker 7 (33:24):
No, I mean just the line breakdowns overall. It's hard
to pin it on it just one guy, you know,
because it kind of came from everywhere.

Speaker 1 (33:34):
Yeah, I agree. Pass protection was on my.

Speaker 7 (33:36):
W yeah, and then that the special team's breakdown. Do
we know why the field goal was blocked? Was is
it a I missed it? Was it a guy just unblocked?
Was it a low Was it a low kick?

Speaker 6 (33:48):
He was unblocked, untouched? And that would be if I
was signaling a bad You know, you got to make
sure that you're buttoned up and your protection is good
on that. At forty seven forty eight yard field goal,
you'd like to think that those are gimmes again in
the golden age of kickers, that most people are going
to make that, but you got to at least protect
it and give them a chance to kick it.

Speaker 1 (34:07):
I agree, forty eight yards you can't get them blocked.
I agree, with it right like. That was my breakdown.
You know, that was disappointing to me.

Speaker 6 (34:14):
Again, that whole turn of events where you're down close,
step on their throat touchdown puts.

Speaker 7 (34:20):
The game away for you.

Speaker 6 (34:21):
You go backwards and then you can't block up field
goal protection on that. That's where I thought things really turned.

Speaker 1 (34:29):
I also thought you had some red zone issues. Again.
Earlier in the game, I thought they had some chances,
They had some good drives. I thought the first half
they moved the ball better in the first half today
than they did it all last week, and unfortunately it
kind of went away in the second half. They didn't
move it quite as well. But I thought that they
had a chance to get more points. And I thought

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that they left some points on the field.

Speaker 9 (34:51):
Anybody else on your naughty list, Mike, you know, just
something to be aware of it. They did ever rule
that Romandre a fumble was that it was definitely.

Speaker 7 (35:00):
That's his second drop in two games.

Speaker 1 (35:02):
Well, and this a red zone fumble that like that
can't happen. That's on my list. I also thought he
was a little loose with the ball and the touchdown.
I don't know if you saw the replay at the
touchdown the wildcat play, which, by the way, another one
for AVP. Like, I thought that was a nice little
wrinkle as he was going in and he's well in
the end zone. This was not close to a fumble.

(35:23):
But I don't believe he lost the ball on his own,
like I believe he got stripped as he was you know,
he was two three yards deep into the end zone.
But I still like, again every postgame show, I'm going
to do it like Bill Belichick always said, I want
the guy who starts to play with the ball to
end up with the ball right, and too often he doesn't.

Speaker 6 (35:44):
Well, that's one to keep I think that's one for
everybody to keep an eye on going forward. Is ball
security in Remondre Well you notice, I think there's something
that he can do to tighten After.

Speaker 7 (35:52):
That red zone play where he almost lost it, Gibson
came in for the next drive, and I just wonder
if it's like, hey, you need to think about things.

Speaker 6 (36:01):
Okay, we mentioned a little bit on the injured, and
we mentioned Bentley, which is probably the biggest one.

Speaker 1 (36:06):
I'm not done. Oh, I'm not done. There is a
reason why I was gonna say to Mike earlier. I
had some rebuttals. I thought there was some sloppiness coaching
wise as the game wore on. They had a waste
of time out for not having the proper masonel out
there the field goal. I think that's coaching. Like I
think that's part of the special team stuff. If we're

(36:26):
going to praise when it's all clean. Last week, the
biggest player of the game offensively is a third and
one in overtime, and you lined up improperly. I'm not
lining up wrong like that's coaching, And I'm not putting
it all on Gerrod Mayo per se. But he's the
head coach, so unfortunately the blame falls on him. But

(36:46):
I thought there was some sloppiness today that we did
not see last week from a coaching perspective, and those
were a couple of examples. Blockfield goal, having to burn
a time out. I thought they burned time outs a
little bit too deeflessly today in general, But that one
had they had to call because they didn't have the
right They had twelve guys out there, and I think
that they had the alignment problem on the key third

(37:10):
and one. Now the Seahawks blew the play up anyway,
so it didn't matter. But can you imagine if you
squeak out a three yard run there and now it's
third and seven instead, Like, that's a killer, right. I
talked about the uh yeah, and then just that whole
sequence that we talked about after the long run by Gibson,

(37:32):
Gibson gives you a miraculous forty five yard run, which
I think should have put the game away. I think
that should have ended the game. Seattle had to be
ridiculously deflated at that point. Mike's i mean, Matt's pregame
point about the weather might have been a factor there.
Who knows, maybe they're getting tired and you can't lean

(37:53):
on them and get twenty five yards. Instead, on a
third and six you get sacked, making it a long
field goal from forty eight that then gets blocked. Just
everything about that, Yeah, those three plays was really disappointing.

Speaker 6 (38:06):
Key sequence, a key sequence of the game really was Okay, yeah,
I think I'm done now.

Speaker 1 (38:12):
So I talked about that that punt already, which I
thought was a huge play in the end of the
first half, when he punts it right down the middle,
right to the returner, allows him to get a twenty
four yard part return. That's a big punt return.

Speaker 6 (38:25):
So we talked about Betley and you know, taking a
look ahead, is he going to be available for the
Jets on a short week. The other one that we
saw just a glimpse of and watching the broadcast as
they get into overtime is Vederian low and that is
that's certainly an injury to keep an eye on.

Speaker 9 (38:42):
Yeah, especially with a Quorra four now out. I mean
that's now you're down to kind of your last two
tackles that that you trust, and that's one of one
of those includes Kaden Wallace, a rookie, so they might
be scrambling.

Speaker 5 (38:51):
Maybe hopefully Vdarian Low is able to turn around.

Speaker 9 (38:54):
Last one I didn't even see though, was Ziminez, who
was out ruled out with a knee injury.

Speaker 5 (38:58):
I didn't see what happened.

Speaker 1 (39:00):
You see it either, But I would say that the
tackle thing is much about to me more than Vederian Lowe,
because I don't really know how much of a difference
there is with Low or Wallace. But it's clear after
two weeks that they are planning on doing that extra
tight end with the tackle, the third tackle a lot
and does this now prevent you from doing that? Can

(39:20):
you do that with Mike figure Jess, who's the other
guy that was Zach Thomas is the guy who's up first, right,
because he was the guy that was active today? Can
you do you feel comfortable enough to do that with
a guy who's been on your team for three weeks?

Speaker 7 (39:32):
They had Leverett in at full back right right?

Speaker 6 (39:35):
And have they had time to rep that with the
new guy and on a short week's time to rep that,
you know, so.

Speaker 1 (39:41):
That could be a significant injury.

Speaker 6 (39:42):
Significant Yep, no question about it. Okay, I wanted to
hit this on the email chain here. Jayden writes in
and goes, I know there will be calls to put
Drake May. And by the way, we're seeing some emails
for that, there's a lot of Drake May chatter out there.

Speaker 1 (39:57):
Can I just interrupt you for one second?

Speaker 7 (39:58):
Course?

Speaker 1 (39:58):
I knew I had one more thing about the coaching
that I didn't like, and I just was a first guess.
The end of the touchdown drive, the second touchdown drive
for Seattle. Seattle was facing a third and six after
a second down play, and there was a penalty for
an illegal man downfield, which would have made it a
second and twelve for this five point fifty nine left

(40:20):
in the half, I believe instead of second and twelve,
I think it was actually a second and thirteen. They
declined the penalty and set up third and six. The
next play was the pass interference that Marco Wilson committed
in the end zone. I would have backed him up there.
I don't think second and thirteen's in the red zone
or you know, high red zone are easily converted. I
think third and six is a reasonable conversion. I thought

(40:43):
that was a play, and that was a first guest
I said, I don't understand why I could Why would
declining that?

Speaker 7 (40:49):
No, I could understand, don't give him that extra down.
I could get that.

Speaker 1 (40:52):
I could understand that way, they made it a manageable
I'd rad they have them being long yardage, they had
it manageable. They're probably going to get conservative because they
got points there. They're already in field goal range. Yeah,
third and sixth, because that's you don't have to take
a shot there.

Speaker 7 (41:07):
So I just want to finish it like that.

Speaker 6 (41:09):
Jayden is making about May and I think you're gonna
the drum is gonna sound a little bit more this
week and he's going. I'm sure there's gonna be calls
to put Drake May in, but I'm not sure how
much better the offense would have looked with him scoring
twenty points on offense is probably the best you're going
to get?

Speaker 7 (41:26):
What say you?

Speaker 6 (41:27):
With the renewed calls or probably the constant calls until
he gets in.

Speaker 7 (41:31):
For now, let's go to Drake.

Speaker 1 (41:33):
You're gonna get You're gonna get it. Yeah, it's gonna happen.

Speaker 7 (41:35):
Oh, it's it's already happening.

Speaker 1 (41:38):
I mean, you got it after a near perfect performance
in a win.

Speaker 12 (41:41):
Right.

Speaker 9 (41:42):
I would just say though that this is a little
bit encouraging to me because ideally you'd like to be
able to put agree Drake May into an offense, Like
you're not anticipating that Jake kobys Sett was going to
come in here and light the world on fire. So
in a perfect world, what would happen? You'd say, Well,
there's there's a team here. They they have kind of
an identity, right, we see you know, they're fighting hard.

(42:02):
They seem to be, you know, willing to get rid
of the bad, bad mistakes. But what's missing from this
offense passing, explosive passing, downfield passing, What do we see
all summer from Drake May, the willingness to try to
make those throws, the mobility to get away. So I'm
not saying he needs to go in this week, but
at least there's a little bit of a foundation here
where you say, I think they got a running game
here that can protect a rookie quarterback a little bit.

Speaker 5 (42:24):
I mean, they got a ways to go, but I
like some of the elements.

Speaker 7 (42:27):
I would just you know, we're not the coaches. We're
not privy to the film study and what actually how
the plays is supposed to be drawn up, and where
the breakdowns really were. But I'd love for somebody to
tell me how much of the offense right now is
because of Jacoby or is it because of everything else?
And I'm hoping, like, what do you think? Well, Like,

(42:49):
in the first half, I would have said Jacoby, But
as the as the game went on, I'm like, I
don't think Drake May would have made much of a
difference today, assuming he's ready, I mean he's ready. I
don't think he would have made much of a difference
today because I don't think guys are getting open. And
I don't think ja Kobe really had time. And if

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those two things are true, then what's what's Drake may
gonna do other than just run the ball.

Speaker 6 (43:15):
We talked in the pregame show about how is this
team gonna react to adversity. Well, they've got some adversity
right now. They lose a potentially winnable game at home,
you know, certainly where there are opportunities maybe to finish
the game off. They lose their defensive leader. Okay, the
offensive line woes continue with maybe some bodies and you're
gonna lose more depth piece and stuff like that.

Speaker 7 (43:37):
And now you've got to go on the road division rival.
How the Jets do today?

Speaker 1 (43:41):
They won, They won, but not impressively.

Speaker 6 (43:44):
Right, and but they're gonna be, you know, all fired up.
It's their first home game of the year. They've been
two games on the road, short week and everything like that.

Speaker 7 (43:53):
This, I do think the.

Speaker 6 (43:54):
Patriots are facing some adversity and I think it's gonna
be interesting to see how they tackle that when they
head into Thursday night.

Speaker 9 (44:01):
Yeah, I just I don't think that this was a
demoralizing loss. I think this was a loss that you know, agains,
stay away from stay away from the what is the
moral victory kind of thing. But like again, they hung
in there, and there are their problems are obvious. No one,
you know, is questioning what they need to do to
win these games. But I like the explosive plays from
the run game, you know, and if they can figure
out a way to keep those kind of going, I

(44:21):
think those offset. If those hadn't happened, I think this
would have been a little bit more lopsided than it
was at those big plays in there.

Speaker 1 (44:27):
So your point. And there were a couple of junctures
in the game where I thought they were kind of
teetering and caught a break. One that I was talking
with that I can remember was in the first half.
I think the I think the Seahawks had just scored
to make it four was it fourteen to ten maybe,

(44:48):
or maybe they had scored to make I forget, but
there was a first down fail is second and long.
Brissett gets pressured immediately. He basically throws want to wait
to the sideline about ten yards in front of the
Mario Douglas and Devon Witherspoon hits them as the ball's

(45:09):
hitting the ground. Now the ball was well short, the
ball hit the ground as the contact was big, a
call for pass interference. So like that to me is
not like you're in this great route and the guy
was in trouble when he had to reach out and grab.
You got Instead of third and ten, it's first and ten, right,
and they end up they end up going down and
getting a field goal on that drive. Now they had

(45:30):
obviously the the Gibson play, which is a five yard
loss under normal circumstances, they had. The Seahawks are driving
in the uh I think in the third quarter, they
get a play to set up a first down play
to set up second and five. The Seahawks lineman throws
a punch at a guy, so it's a post play foul,

(45:52):
and now it's second and twenty from there, you know,
from back into the they're like ten yard line. Like
there were a couple of plays like that that happened
at otune times for the Patriots, which kind of kept
them afloat. And then unfortunately, you were in position to
win the game and didn't you know after all of that.
So there weren't a lot of things to like today,

(46:12):
but they got to clean up some stuff.

Speaker 6 (46:14):
Twenty three, twenty, the Patriots lose in overtime in their
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down on the Patriots postgame show. Hello, Cameron, are you
there out here?

Speaker 12 (46:31):
Right?

Speaker 6 (46:31):
Let's go to Logan in Indiana. Logan in Indiana, you're
next on the Patriots postgame show. Oh for two, We're
gonna give one more try hardy tradition. It's left for
Deshaun in Virginia. DeShawn in Virginia, are you there?

Speaker 13 (46:51):
Real?

Speaker 1 (46:51):
We got the hat?

Speaker 7 (46:54):
Okay? Uh? John from Uh?

Speaker 1 (46:57):
Deshawn's up to Shawn?

Speaker 6 (46:59):
Okay, Hello, put on hold that really okay?

Speaker 7 (47:04):
Yeah? Hi, Jashon got some things to clean up.

Speaker 1 (47:08):
We'll catch him post, yes sir.

Speaker 14 (47:11):
Uh.

Speaker 15 (47:12):
Hey, Hey guys, I'm one of the like I want
let you guys know, I hate to be the bear
bad news, but I figure may go downhill from here
because if if they're serious about like contending, they would
let the kids play. Now, if they don't want to contend,
then keep Ja Kobe in. Because I heard you guys
saying that oh yeah, Like if the kid was in
it wouldn't have made a difference. But I beg to

(47:33):
differ because he's much more athletic. He can make throws
off platform that the Kobe can't make. So that's why
I was believed that have more juice if Drake made
was playing well.

Speaker 1 (47:42):
I think if Drake May were ready to play out impossible.

Speaker 7 (47:46):
But but who's talking about contending even if Drake May
played this year? Yeah? Not me, not Yeah, this is
just a learning year for Drake. Maybe maybe I'm completely
off base here, but I even if Drake May started
on week one, I was hoping that he would just
learn and you know, forget about the record, that he

(48:07):
would just get the experience so that next year, when
we can add some pieces around him, then maybe we're
ready to contend for a playoff spot. But that wasn't
in my right on my radar for this year. The
Drake May.

Speaker 6 (48:21):
Win will he start decision, Uh might be taken out
of anybody's hands and it might be a game of attrition.

Speaker 7 (48:29):
If you look at some of the.

Speaker 1 (48:30):
Replays, And I would just argue, like, I don't know
that you can say that Drake May's ability to get
to make off. All of that stuff is painfully apparent.
He's like infinitely more skilled than Jacoby said not to
get out. But if he's not, but if he's not
ready to play, he's not going to avoid the situations

(48:53):
that were set consistently as avoided now through two games. Yeah,
he has been.

Speaker 7 (48:57):
There was one play he was like a magician back
thereset near his own goal line.

Speaker 9 (49:03):
You know, I mean we're seeing the greatest hits right now.
I mean this is like for me. I think there
were three times today where I held my breath and
so it might be arig but I.

Speaker 1 (49:10):
Think people are looking at some of the plays where
Brissett sort of escapes the pocket and then rolls out
and he can't make the throw. There was one in
particular that he had a rollout mike in the second
half going toward the Patriots bench down in that red
zone area. He just didn't have the arm to get it.
I know, what if Drake May is in the same
spot he completes that pass, no doubt in my mind,

(49:31):
no doubt in my mind. I can't just say, well,
Drake May would have done the same thing that Brissett
did to escape the pocket. And make you know it. Yes,
he's more athletic than Brissette, but that doesn't mean he
knows where these rushers are coming from. I think Brissett
has been able to do that right.

Speaker 6 (49:48):
The electronic mail from John is in at web radio
Patriots dot Com. I would think being able to run
the ball as well as we do in portions of
the game, we could have a few explosive passing plays.
What am I missing? Is it the quarterback? Are the
shot plays not creative enough? What am I missing?

Speaker 7 (50:02):
Fellows? That's John from Luisee.

Speaker 1 (50:04):
Everything is no, but that.

Speaker 7 (50:06):
That's a good email because as you're watching the game
in the first half, you're thinking, they can they can
really pound this ball. You put May in here, and.

Speaker 1 (50:15):
Well, they didn't run the ball very well in the
first half, and I.

Speaker 7 (50:18):
Thought that the second half. Whenever they started doing it.
They were pounding the ball and it was really looking
good and you think, okay, insert May into this. But
then I'm thinking, but who's getting open?

Speaker 1 (50:31):
Well, I think they tried a lot of play action
shot plays today and you just look and there's just
nobody there right now. I don't think they ran the
ball great today. The numbers look really really.

Speaker 7 (50:41):
Skewed by a couple of big runs.

Speaker 1 (50:42):
As the numbers look really really good, but I mean
Mermandre twenty one three one three point nine to carry,
that's not really good, especially when you consider you had
twenty on one run. But to the emailer's point, I
agree with them. They should the way they run the
ball and the way they get the attention from the
defense for running the because everybody knows what that's what
they want. They should be able to run it for

(51:03):
five yards, for six yards and have a hard play
action and have a shot play come open. And they
just through two games they haven't had a single one.

Speaker 7 (51:11):
Or unrest down when they loaded up right, fool them
on first down?

Speaker 1 (51:15):
Right, they just haven't had a single play so far.
That wow, there it is.

Speaker 7 (51:20):
And like I said, nothing happens fast when they go
to pass.

Speaker 1 (51:24):
And I would say, you know he said, is that
the quarterbacks? Is that the line? I think it's everything.
The protection doesn't hold up even with those play actions.
The quarterback is not quick enough with his reads, and
the receivers do not uncover fast enough. I think it's
widespread and until that changes, I don't think that's going
to be all that much better for Drake May.

Speaker 6 (51:41):
And there's one more thing, Paul that I think you
hit on in Jason our email.

Speaker 7 (51:44):
Rights.

Speaker 6 (51:45):
My main problem with today's game, which was mentioned, is
that Prisett is.

Speaker 7 (51:48):
Not getting the ball out of his hands.

Speaker 1 (51:50):
I could I could not agree more with that.

Speaker 6 (51:52):
As you look at the totality of it.

Speaker 7 (51:54):
It's not one guy, but that that's where I need
the coaches to help me. Yeah, you know that is
could he be get out of his It.

Speaker 1 (52:01):
Is one of the real knocks on our set, holds
the ball to.

Speaker 7 (52:04):
But could you know in this you know, as this
offense is constituted, could he be getting it out of
his hands? Is the opportunity there? You know, that's where
I need. I need some help, Freddy.

Speaker 6 (52:15):
It's a great tear screen something like that. You know,
maybe some drive starters.

Speaker 1 (52:21):
A lot of screens today it didn't work.

Speaker 7 (52:23):
And you mentioned, you know, Pop Douglas, Paul, you could
be right. Maybe the teams are like, we're not going
to let this guy beat us.

Speaker 1 (52:28):
You know, I just looked at it as they you know,
I think they have a lot of guys that opposing
teams are comfortable just saying we're going to put our
cornerbacks on them and we're not gonna worry about them
and they haven't had to.

Speaker 7 (52:39):
I'm not gonna say it very easy to YEA.

Speaker 6 (52:45):
Let's see Alex from Greece. Alex from Greece, you're next
on the Patriots post game show.

Speaker 7 (52:49):
Hellos, great?

Speaker 5 (52:52):
How are you good?

Speaker 16 (52:54):
Good?

Speaker 17 (52:54):
That over time game took me to twelve am over here, so.

Speaker 1 (52:59):
To us after four pm here, So I'm not real
happy about it either.

Speaker 17 (53:03):
Just good especially I just I wanted to just make
a comment about Drake May first, but I agree with
everything you guys just have said about May over the
last few minutes. But I think we're underestimating just how
important it is to make those off platforms. I mean,
Jacobe Rissette was fifteen or twenty seven today. Seven of

(53:25):
those incompletions I counted in the first half. He just
missed open guys. I mean he hit the Mario Douglas
had his feet twice. He missed a streaking post twice.
And those are plays that athletic quarterback that it.

Speaker 1 (53:37):
I disagree with you. I don't think he missed open
guys today to throw at to Mario Douglas his feet
came when he was picking out pieces of rubble out
of his face.

Speaker 8 (53:46):
Man.

Speaker 17 (53:47):
No, what I'm trying to say is I firmly believe
Drake May would have thrown like two picks that game.
We were probably losing by more than what we lost by.
But why not add that dimension to your offense? If
this is just a rebuilding year, why to throw them
out up there?

Speaker 7 (54:00):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (54:02):
Now I'm with you there, Alese make.

Speaker 17 (54:03):
Those big plays down Steel. He can make some play
that puts the defense on their toes.

Speaker 1 (54:07):
And I think I think there's an infinite amount. I'm
with Alex here on his larger point. I shouldn't have
gotten bogged down. In semantics, I'm with Alex on his point.
Oh yeah, I think there's a lot to be gained
by having him learn how to deal with that stuff.

Speaker 7 (54:21):
I agree, But I would put him out there for that,
But not with the expectation that now we're going to
start winning football games, you know. I think that's there's
a difference there from what I'm hearing from people like, Oh,
if Drake May was in things, we'd be winning, we'd
be contending.

Speaker 1 (54:36):
No, no, not not at first, but I mean ideally
by maybe you know down the stretch under his belt.

Speaker 7 (54:43):
Maybe you know he raps off five in a row
to and the season, but you know, like you would
just that's not that's unfair expectation to think, oh, you're
just going to put Drake May in with this offense
and all of a sudden we're contenders. You're going to
be disappointed.

Speaker 1 (54:58):
Alex is right, there is a an ability that he has, sure.

Speaker 7 (55:02):
And he's also right, he's probably gonna throw picks and
and that's okay.

Speaker 9 (55:06):
Right, but that's not But it's not going to be
okay because a lot of these people are calling in
saying Drake May has to play. The second he has
a game like this, they're gonna call back and say,
Drake May's a bus Now what are we going to do?

Speaker 8 (55:16):
Now?

Speaker 5 (55:16):
That's that's what you're trying.

Speaker 7 (55:18):
To Sorry, but as little as I know about football,
I know more than that, and that's a little all right.

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in Foxborough. Let's clear some calls. Let's hit Dan in Colorado. First, Dan, Hello,
you're joining us in the Patriots postgame Show.

Speaker 23 (01:00:12):
Hey, guys, that question.

Speaker 14 (01:00:14):
I think the most disappointing part about today's lost was
definitely the secondary. The offense struggling has no real surprise
to me. But you know, you looked at the secondary
before the season. We have veteran leadership returning, you have
young talent. I was really hoping that they just wouldn't
get blown through the way they did at the end
of the game. There anytime they needed ten yards, nine
yards whatever. What they're in long was, there's Jasn and

(01:00:36):
there's Metcalfs and I was just really disappointed they struggled
so much. Again today, I get there really strong receivers,
but so I was expecting more on the secondary and
it was really disappointing at the end of the game.

Speaker 6 (01:00:48):
All right, Dan, thanks for your call, and I'm going
to agree with Dan.

Speaker 7 (01:00:51):
There was a bit of.

Speaker 6 (01:00:53):
You just didn't feel well when if they can't pressure Mike,
as you were saying earlier, you know, Smith had time,
he was going to find somebody open. There was you know,
you just got that feeling, well, they're going to complete
what they need.

Speaker 7 (01:01:05):
To completely to get down. You got the feeling they
won't really challenge them in any short of mid range crosses.
They were giving him a little bit too much cushion, you.

Speaker 9 (01:01:14):
Know, found a rhythm, got comfortable in what they were doing,
and then they just seemed to lean into it. And
as the game progressed, you felt less confident about both
their passing offense making plays and your own passing offense
being able to make big plays.

Speaker 6 (01:01:27):
D in Baltimore, you're next with us on the Patriots
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Speaker 7 (01:01:29):
Hello D, and how you.

Speaker 17 (01:01:32):
Don't so we all can agree that the off the line.

Speaker 1 (01:01:36):
Is bad, right, It's not good it's bad and it's
a work in progress with the two rookies.

Speaker 24 (01:01:42):
If we if we know that, why not create plays
to get the ball out fast?

Speaker 7 (01:01:46):
Well that's what we were talking about, like and and
and I think they're supposed to come out. I agreed
the and. Like like I said before, I don't know
if the reason why they're not is because of Jacoby
or because no one is getting open. I don't I
just don't know that.

Speaker 25 (01:02:00):
But we're not doing nothing.

Speaker 21 (01:02:01):
Quit no quick bubble scrolls.

Speaker 1 (01:02:02):
They're trying that.

Speaker 15 (01:02:03):
We're not doing no.

Speaker 1 (01:02:04):
They're trying to, but they just don't get open. Like
they they ran screens today, they got blown up. They
had one that was really good to perfect Hunter Henry
for thirty five yards, but they tried at least two
others that Jacoby had to throw right at reminder Stevenson's feet.

Speaker 6 (01:02:19):
Yeah, do you Thanks for the call. Let's go to
Logan in Indiana. Logan in Indiana. You're joining us next
on the Patriots postgame show.

Speaker 7 (01:02:28):
Hello, Hey, you guys here we are. What's your question?

Speaker 26 (01:02:34):
Alright?

Speaker 24 (01:02:35):
All right, hey you guys are awesome.

Speaker 25 (01:02:37):
Hey, Yeah, I just want to I just want to
ask a question. Paul you know bred Mike, do you
think they were I and Paul mentioned the penalty that
was I have to watch the game, bro unfortunately thirty boards. Well,
and I see Okay talking.

Speaker 7 (01:03:02):
To the phone there.

Speaker 24 (01:03:13):
When they were in they were driving pretty good. I
get I don't get a watch it line.

Speaker 6 (01:03:18):
But okay, Logan, thank you for your phone call. Couldn't
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Speaker 1 (01:03:25):
Yeah, sorry, that's a bad phone.

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I'm the guy that calls from overseas. It's great, it's
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Speaker 27 (01:03:59):
This NFL football, You know those it's one play here,
one play there. You just never know which play it is.
And you know it's easiest to try to pick out
some plays here and there, but it's all of us.
We have to get better as a team and look
forward to to getting back on the practice field getting better.

Speaker 8 (01:04:17):
Uh, Geronda, how much do you learn from this one?

Speaker 28 (01:04:19):
You know, you had the block field goal, which certainly
cost you some points, and then they came and got
a field goal, and then at the end, you know,
the forty seven yard run set you guys up nicely.

Speaker 8 (01:04:27):
Kind of a lot of little things. How much do
you learn from a game?

Speaker 27 (01:04:30):
Yeah, I mean that's a great question. That's part of
my message. It's all about the details. We get the
little things right, the big things will take care of themselves.
And we just didn't take care of the little things
and we weren't as detail well, I should say, on
top of our p's and q's, like we should have been.
Which is my responsibility. And look, I take one hundred
percent responsibility. And you know, look, these guys, I will

(01:04:51):
say this like, this is a tough football team, no
matter what said outside this building. And I told these
guys that as well. Look we're a tough football team,
not only physically but also mentally appreciate their effort. Just
wasn't enough today.

Speaker 16 (01:05:04):
Gerard, you've mentioned that this is clearly a tough football team,
but in seeing today's game, the limited passing attack, only
three completions to receivers, do you think at all today's
game showed the limitations you guys have right now on offense?

Speaker 27 (01:05:15):
I'm not sure. You know each team is going to
try to attack us different ways. Well, we definitely have
to start to get the ball down the field. We
got to start pushing the ball down the field to
you know, to get that shell defense, the too hot
I'm sorry, to get that shell defense. And we got
to be able to run. We gotta be able to pass,
just got to go be able to ping pong between
the two. It's something that we need to work on.
That's what I would say.

Speaker 10 (01:05:36):
On the third and one there, Taekwon's in the backfield,
unbalanced line. You talk about being a tough, physical football team,
did you.

Speaker 8 (01:05:44):
Maybe, Yeah, that's all on us. That's us.

Speaker 27 (01:05:47):
That's on us as coaches. I don't put anything on
the player. Look, he was in there at times, he
had to report. Then he played some tackle and there
was some confusion. But once again there was no receiver
outside of him, and so that's our faut hundred.

Speaker 10 (01:06:00):
But from a mentality standpoint, Droll just kind of like
trying to drive the ball down people's throat, and in
that case felt like tried to do something fancy might
be the wrong word, but.

Speaker 27 (01:06:10):
I don't think we try to do anything fancy. I
think we tried to, you know, run the plays that
we felt pretty comfortable with going into the game, and
then at halftime made some adjustments. And this isn't a
fancy football team. This is one of those teams, whether
we throw it or run it that we just had
to be a tough football team, but at the same
time had to be smart and we have to be
able to go out there and line up and be
mentally tough on a down after down basis.

Speaker 11 (01:06:34):
Okay, Jerrod, how much consideration did you guys have for
going for it on fourth and one in overtime?

Speaker 27 (01:06:42):
I would tell you there's some consideration. There's always consideration
in those in those weird spots, especially when you're getting
the plus out of the plus side of the field.
I thought I did what I thought.

Speaker 11 (01:06:52):
Was best, and then with a corps for leaving the team,
What did that surprise you at all? How would you
describe your conversations with him?

Speaker 27 (01:06:59):
I would say, for you know, I had a conversation
with Chukes and it had nothing to do with football,
had everything to do with just checking on him as
a man. It was a good conversation. We'll see what
happens tomorrow, Josh Proper.

Speaker 26 (01:07:11):
Here, Drod what worked very well for you guys in
Cincinnati was not giving up the big play. And today
Metcalf had that catch in the first and obviously the
blockfield goal was that the difference in the game.

Speaker 27 (01:07:23):
Those were two huge plays, and that's on us at times,
you know, we want to be aggressive and they caught him.
Good play and they hit it down the sideline.

Speaker 29 (01:07:35):
Gerald, your final nine plays offensively just eleven yards. What
happened with the execution there late in the game.

Speaker 27 (01:07:41):
Just wasn't good enough. The execution just wasn't good enough.
There's no I wish I had an excuse. We just
have to be better.

Speaker 30 (01:07:48):
Chris gasper Hey, Jacobe did a great job most of
the day of avoiding sacks, getting away from the rush.
Before that blockfield goal, though, he took a sack and
you guys lost nine yards there or what did you
see on that play and was there any specific instruction
you know to him in the headset for Hey, whatever
you do here, make sure you don't take a sack.

Speaker 27 (01:08:07):
We always try to talk about situational football. I'll go
back and watch the film and have a better answer
for you going forward. What I will say is in
the first half he'd made some plays by extending drives
with his legs, which is encouraging to see. We just
need to be more of a balanced offense, which that'll
be the goal this week.

Speaker 8 (01:08:24):
Coach, you mentioned situational football.

Speaker 31 (01:08:25):
There were two end of half situations where you guys
weren't able to capitalize.

Speaker 30 (01:08:28):
What from your perspective was the reason that you weren't
able to score on those possessions Just.

Speaker 27 (01:08:32):
Lack of execution. That's what it comes down to. I'm
not trying to sound like a broken record. It just
comes down to lack of execution. I felt like we
were in shape, but you know, as the game were on,
there were these little mental errors that ended up being
big plays and just got to do better.

Speaker 8 (01:08:49):
Last time we spoke to you Friday, you said you
wanted to see how Seattle would play.

Speaker 28 (01:08:52):
You they seemed to win the middle quarters, which would
indicate some sort of adjustments.

Speaker 8 (01:08:56):
What adjustments, if any, did you see them make.

Speaker 27 (01:08:59):
You know, they were matching our big personnel with different groups.
You know, they were going base and they were going
nickel and kind of just they were just matching personnel
up and they did a good job making adjustments faster
than we did.

Speaker 31 (01:09:14):
Just curious end of the first half and you guys
had the ball. You ended up running one then taking
some time off the clock throwing a couple. Is there
anything you would have done differently in that scenario to
maybe try to prevent them from being able to drive
the other one.

Speaker 8 (01:09:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 27 (01:09:27):
I mean, look, like I said, I'm gonna go back
and watch the game. There were a lot of plays
in the game, and I don't want to give you
bad information, Trod.

Speaker 8 (01:09:38):
I think just four targets for tomorrow. Douglas in the
first two games, What do you guys need to do
to get him more involved on?

Speaker 27 (01:09:44):
We have to get him going. Look, we have to
steam up some things for him. He's one of our
most explosive players and that's on us, the coaches, to
put it together. Thanks.

Speaker 6 (01:09:53):
That was head coach Gerrod Mayo his first regular season
lost press conference.

Speaker 7 (01:09:58):
Fred take that, you know, not not much, but the
only thing that I raised my eyebrows out. You know,
I'm under the impression of car for a left on
his own, like whatever reason he was unhappy. But the
way he explained that Mayo that maybe there's something going
on personally in that the door's open if he wants

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to come back, which I think.

Speaker 1 (01:10:23):
I took it a whole different way than that. I mean,
I think the door's open. I think the player decided
to leave the team, right, So, like you said, so
if he decides to come back, why would the door
not be open?

Speaker 7 (01:10:34):
No, but like it depends on how he left, Paul,
Like if he mfed everybody out the door, maybe they
don't want him back.

Speaker 1 (01:10:39):
Oh well yeah, I mean I suppose.

Speaker 7 (01:10:42):
That's like you're right, Like, what are the circumstances.

Speaker 1 (01:10:46):
Right, Yeah, I don't know the circumstances. I can't imagine
the circumstance that he wouldn't be sort of welcomed back.

Speaker 7 (01:10:52):
I could, I mean I could, but like apparently whatever
what those circumstances, according to Mayo didn't have I.

Speaker 1 (01:11:00):
Don't really understand his whole like and he said this
in the pregame show. He echoed what he just said here.
I checked on him, not as a football player, Well,
no kidding, the guy left for your team, Like of course,
it's not like as a football player he decided I'm
not playing anymore and he just he decided to willingly
leave your team. Of course you're checking on him to
see why.

Speaker 7 (01:11:20):
I know, But I think I think that distinction he's
trying to make is this wasn't just about football. I
wanted to know as a person, Hey, are you okay? Right?
Didn't That's the impression I got.

Speaker 1 (01:11:32):
I just don't know what other way that you would
look look at it than that you don't know why
he left the guy. I mean, I'm under the impression
he just left the team, like he's on the exempt
left team, right, So you gotta find out why.

Speaker 7 (01:11:45):
No, I know, but like there's a it could be
a million reasons why.

Speaker 1 (01:11:49):
I agree. Yeah, I actually brought up in the pregame show.
I don't know if he's dealing with something mentally with
his mental health, right, I really don't know why. But
I don't know any other way that you would look
in on him other than as a human being.

Speaker 6 (01:12:01):
And I think why you care about him as a
human being. There is a business aspect of this is
can you count on this person going forward to help
your team, whatever the role is. I agree, and at
least the coaching staff. The initial thought is he's not
going to be a starting player for us, and maybe
who knows. I don't want to over speculate that that
doesn't suit well.

Speaker 1 (01:12:20):
I saw one report that said that he doesn't want
to play football anymore, according to NBC Sports Boss that
I saw earlier, that he's contemplating whether or not even
wants to play, so like, to me, that makes sense.
But if he if he decides he wants to, yeah,
Victor's going to be open right now. That doesn't mean
you you'd have to like play him. But I don't. Personally,

(01:12:44):
I know nothing about the situation. I don't think he'll
be back.

Speaker 7 (01:12:47):
I would tend to agree with you. I want to
get this hit.

Speaker 6 (01:12:49):
This email up from Joe Web Radio Pictures dot Com.
I do subscribe to moral victories. To me, there is
no blanket lost. The end result does just to raise
all the fun that was had. That being said, I
don't think this was a moral victory. I don't see
how may makes a difference, nor do I see how
anyone can really blame Jacoby for running for his life.

Speaker 1 (01:13:12):
Interesting that I agree with all aspects of that email
other than moral victories. Everything else I'm one thousand percent
on board with.

Speaker 7 (01:13:19):
But I think this year there could be moral victories,
you know, like if you're seeing progression, if you're seeing
you know, certain guys on offense getting better, if you see, Hey,
Polke's going to be an NFL player and he's all
haying it weekend, and we can think victories.

Speaker 1 (01:13:34):
I think all of that would be great. I don't
win the games. It's not good.

Speaker 6 (01:13:37):
And I don't think we saw enough today.

Speaker 7 (01:13:38):
Really, if you go into this season thinking, man, we
should be winning football games, no.

Speaker 1 (01:13:42):
I don't. All right, but that's doesn't mean I think
it's a moral victory if they if they did so.

Speaker 7 (01:13:47):
I'm looking for others. I'm looking for other positives. And
if you want to call them victories or whatever, you know, I.

Speaker 1 (01:13:53):
Mean, so you're it's a typical Paul and Fred dickering
match where over smantics.

Speaker 9 (01:13:58):
Is it a moral victory or a silver line?

Speaker 7 (01:14:01):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:14:02):
Right again, I'd hang my hat more on this was
a missed opportunity, and they let one slip away.

Speaker 7 (01:14:09):
As a as as a season. If the season ends
and we know Drake may played twelve games and or
you know, eleven games, and he's gonna be good, and
Poke's gonna be good, and we've we've got you know,
four or five, three or four guys on offense that
we know we're gonna be able to count on. To me,

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that's a moral victory right.

Speaker 1 (01:14:32):
To me, that's a good sign that you have something
set up for the future. I don't think is any
moral victory.

Speaker 6 (01:14:37):
Yeah, I think it's a little early, Paul, Yeah, Fred
to talk about this when the guys in the locker
room who just busted their tail, as the coach said,
there's no question about effort and anything like that, they
let this one slip away. I don't think they're looking
about what can we look for as far as the future.

Speaker 7 (01:14:51):
I think they're pissed it. They can and they shouldn't be.
That's our job that they shouldn't be. They should be
out there trying to win every game. You get back
to the that whole tanking thing which does not exist.
These guys are out to win and they should be.

Speaker 1 (01:15:05):
And I often say to you, Fred, like there's no
such thing as like one hundred percent zero percent like
all every time, Like there are always exceptions if they
go out to San Francisco and go back and forth
and have an opportunity to win, if they who else,

(01:15:25):
like they knock off like the Buffalo and Miami back
to back. It's not like listen or you know that,
like they beat one and then they loseed it Okay,
Like I can listen to like, well, you know what,
that's that's not a terrible loss. They showed that they're
getting close, you know, so I'm not telling you one
hundred percent just losing. I mean, and I know the

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emailer said this was not a moral victory. He emphatically
said that I agree with the email Like, you know,
losing at home to a middling team when you had
the lead in the last two minutes of the game
is not a one.

Speaker 7 (01:15:59):
Today was a moral victory.

Speaker 1 (01:16:01):
And again the emailers said it was not a moral victory.
I just don't really believe in them. In the NFL, like,
I think all the teams are reasonably even when it
comes to overall ability. Now there's some teams that are
better than others. And I would say San Francisco is
more talented than a lot of teams. So that's why
I would say you lose a game like that, you
lose twenty three twenty in overtime at San Francisco. Yeah,

(01:16:23):
I'm probably gonna say that's not the worst loss in
the world.

Speaker 9 (01:16:25):
I'd say, for in the last couple of years, there
are losses that were below the line, like below the
line of acceptability, and this the Chargers above the line
these today was above the line.

Speaker 16 (01:16:34):
Play.

Speaker 1 (01:16:34):
They played hard, they played well. The other tea and
four other team played hard and they played well too,
you know.

Speaker 9 (01:16:39):
I mean, I'm looking at the stats from the twenty
six to three loss for the for the Panthers here,
and I mean, uh, you know, eighty eighty yards passing.
I mean, like there's just that's they're below the line
right now. And as long as you're above the line,
I think right now, two games into this season.

Speaker 7 (01:16:53):
You know you're okay.

Speaker 6 (01:16:54):
Web Radio at Patriots dot Com, Johnny from Ireland asks
simple question, does Drake make a throw that maybe wins
you today's game? It's hypothetical if you ever had one.

Speaker 5 (01:17:07):
Yes, definitely, he definitely doesn't.

Speaker 1 (01:17:10):
I'm going to say, I.

Speaker 9 (01:17:11):
Mean, I don't think the totality of the game.

Speaker 7 (01:17:15):
And the other caller said, does he also throw two
picks right right?

Speaker 6 (01:17:19):
Or I think the coaching staff would probably tell you
that's their biggest concern.

Speaker 1 (01:17:22):
Yeah, I would just say I'm getting really really close
to wanting to see it.

Speaker 7 (01:17:27):
Oh, I want to see it. I'm like, I don't
care get him out there, no, like assuming he's mentally ready, you.

Speaker 1 (01:17:37):
Know, yeah, I want to see if it if it
is any different, I want to see it's you know,
it's the pluses and minuses, it's the mistakes. Are they
outweighed by the place, And I want to see what
it looks like net. You know, can he make plays
that Jacoby can't? And will he make mistakes that Jacoby doesn't.

Speaker 7 (01:17:56):
And are the mistakes correctible.

Speaker 9 (01:17:58):
I just love not to see three four hits a
game where you're like, did he just have a season
ending injury?

Speaker 5 (01:18:02):
Because that's how I felt today.

Speaker 9 (01:18:03):
There were three or four hits today where I thought
Yakobe got concussed. I thought he had a knee injury.
His arm is all scraped up. I mean, he's he's
getting destroyed out there, and I'd love for that not
to beat Drake Mays first.

Speaker 6 (01:18:13):
That might be part of the decision making. Fred Girod
said on Friday, reps in practice, Do you believe that
that number goes up incrementally as.

Speaker 7 (01:18:22):
A season wears on?

Speaker 6 (01:18:23):
This will be a tough week and maybe tough to judge,
But do you think that that gets to.

Speaker 7 (01:18:27):
Thirty if things stay the same offensively?

Speaker 1 (01:18:30):
Yes, yeah, I don't.

Speaker 5 (01:18:31):
I don't think it can.

Speaker 16 (01:18:32):
No.

Speaker 1 (01:18:32):
I think, first of.

Speaker 6 (01:18:33):
All the old fifty reps and who.

Speaker 1 (01:18:35):
I don't think that will happen. I think when they
decide that may is ready to start, he's going to
take the reps. But until then, I think thirty is
a high number. I would actually, based on what Evan
talked about, I would kind of doubt thirty. I think
they're counting virtual reps. I know there was a lot
made of that. You know, Mayo's the one who told

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Evan Washburn that, So obviously when Mao's asked about it,
he's going to say yes, because he's the one who
told the sideline reporter the way that Evan explained it.
I don't didn't seem like it was thirty percent to me.
But that's a high number to me.

Speaker 9 (01:19:10):
Might be earlier in the week on first and second
down on Wednesday, and then they get into third down,
red zone. That's mostly to.

Speaker 7 (01:19:15):
Back off a little bit.

Speaker 6 (01:19:15):
Eight five five pats five hundred is the number. Let's
check in with. First, let's go to John in South Beach. Hello, John,
you're on the Patriots post game Johnny, South Beach.

Speaker 13 (01:19:26):
I'm here, I'm back.

Speaker 17 (01:19:27):
How do you fall?

Speaker 1 (01:19:27):
Hey, Johnny?

Speaker 13 (01:19:28):
So one positive comments and then one critical thing. I
threw my hands up and cheered when Jalen Folk caught
that touchdown. It wasn't life changing, it wasn't like incredibly impressive,
but I think that's a really positive thing. And then
on the negative front, I don't know. The Seahawks were
almost fifty percent on third down, and I feel like

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every time they needed something, they got it. And the
defense just reminded me of like last year's defense and
the defense the year before, where they're where they'll hold
up to a point, but they won't make that one big,
huge stop. So what do you guys think about that?

Speaker 6 (01:20:05):
And thanks for your call, John, I think that that's
a really excellent point sign, you know, I think they
made it last.

Speaker 9 (01:20:10):
Week, but you know, last week.

Speaker 1 (01:20:12):
They did and that's what was so impressive about it.

Speaker 7 (01:20:15):
Pedestrian offense today? Is that a fair question? Is Seattle's
offense pedestrian? I mean they're not explosive. Well, look at
all the drops they had. They had at least five
critical drops, you know, I think each one of them
would have been for first downs. I think some of.

Speaker 1 (01:20:33):
Them were really big plays too, like that drive that
in the in the second half where they opened with
a drop by Metcalf on the slant and followed by
a drop by uh was it Smith and Jigler on
the sideline. Now, listen, those guys both caught double digit passes.
You can't catch any pass, but those were pretty easy catches.

(01:20:53):
And the one that Noah Fan drops at the end
of the game off, they probably were lucky to get
to overtime.

Speaker 6 (01:20:59):
In the next three weeks, they're gonna get the Jets
on a short week, but it's their home opener, so
they should be, you know, ready for beer.

Speaker 7 (01:21:06):
There.

Speaker 6 (01:21:06):
They then go to San Francisco, who's without McCaffrey. I
think I saw a note that Kittle left the game
at some point in time, so they might be banged
up a little bit.

Speaker 1 (01:21:15):
But that's the other thing is you're catching all these
teams completely banged a crap.

Speaker 7 (01:21:18):
And Miami without Tua.

Speaker 6 (01:21:20):
So I mean, I don't know that that yet, but well,
I would think indications are probably mean is he gonna
play the two or three weeks?

Speaker 7 (01:21:27):
I guess he can, but that's a long time. Okay,
but are you suggesting that he shouldn't play? I'm not
suggesting it.

Speaker 1 (01:21:35):
We talked about it, Okay, Okay, Antonio, I have to
listen to Antonio Pierce. If I Mike McDaniel, I file
agreevance like, I have to listen to another teams called
tell me what I should do?

Speaker 8 (01:21:46):
Right?

Speaker 16 (01:21:46):
Like?

Speaker 1 (01:21:46):
Why is that? Okay?

Speaker 7 (01:21:48):
Worry about your team?

Speaker 6 (01:21:49):
I might need to take some on Antonio Pierce. They
beat Baltimore in Baltimore, Like, that's a big win for that.

Speaker 7 (01:21:55):
That's a shaka yea.

Speaker 1 (01:21:59):
And nor didn't want to yeah more than a score
in that game. I really talk myself out of a
lot of good picks today.

Speaker 6 (01:22:04):
G in North Carolina, you're next on the Patriots postgame show.

Speaker 7 (01:22:07):
Hello, g.

Speaker 23 (01:22:09):
Hey, guys, uh, I'm calling in. I'm a I'm a
big Patriots fan.

Speaker 25 (01:22:14):
I grew up.

Speaker 23 (01:22:15):
I grew up where you guys are. I live in
Charlotte now. But I was calling because I feel like
we're still progressing for doing what we all thought that
was gonna happen. Where we're rebuilding and I feel like
the defensive jail as as as the season goes on.
But I don't you guys are the staff guys. I'm

(01:22:37):
not a staff guy, but I know Jordan Love he
what was it like a year at least that he
was behind Aaron Rodgers before he came out and look
at the quarterback he is now.

Speaker 15 (01:22:46):
I think we just.

Speaker 23 (01:22:47):
Need to be We need to relax, let Kobe do
his thing, and led Drake may come into it. I mean,
offensive lines in bad shape anyway to just throw him
in there right now?

Speaker 6 (01:22:56):
Okay, Jay, thanks for the call there. I guess I'll
ask you guys here, what do you think the fan
perception is after a game like this?

Speaker 5 (01:23:03):
You know it's not the kid I think.

Speaker 7 (01:23:05):
I mean, we're on the blog, it was about fifty
to fifty, you like, now you know why he shouldn't
be in there, and then other people saying just get
him in. I've seen enough.

Speaker 9 (01:23:17):
Yeah, yeah, that's the scale going forward.

Speaker 5 (01:23:19):
It's just that's the scale.

Speaker 9 (01:23:21):
But just to let you guys know, I mean, as
of right now, Patriots are still in the.

Speaker 7 (01:23:25):
Sixth seed for the playoffs.

Speaker 9 (01:23:26):
So okay, it's good news. I still got a spot
in the postseason.

Speaker 7 (01:23:31):
There is a path, yep, I'm I'm all off for that.

Speaker 9 (01:23:37):
Buffalo top seeds.

Speaker 6 (01:23:38):
I'm here for that, and Buffalo looks good charge. I
just know, I wonder after a game like this what
the fans are thinking is there is there discouragement as
they maybe let one slip away that they could have had.

Speaker 7 (01:23:52):
Are they okay with let's just stay the course?

Speaker 6 (01:23:54):
Do the fans feel like they have patients in order
to see this, you know, team get rebuilt on the fly?

Speaker 1 (01:24:02):
I mean, I don't know what the fans patience level is.
I think most people just want to see Drake May.

Speaker 7 (01:24:08):
Okay. How how were the fans?

Speaker 6 (01:24:11):
What was the press box?

Speaker 7 (01:24:13):
Press box jockeys? How did the fans sound today? Were
they into the game? The press box jockeys? Fans?

Speaker 6 (01:24:21):
No, I'm asking you guys, who could listen in the press.

Speaker 8 (01:24:24):
We don't.

Speaker 9 (01:24:24):
We don't hear any No, we couldn't really we couldn't
really tell. It seemed like it got a little loud.
But I mean it's hard. It's hard. We don't even
see the fly over man. We don't even see the board.
There's no video board where we're a little isolated up there.

Speaker 7 (01:24:35):
Okay, we're lucky.

Speaker 1 (01:24:36):
We're even in the stadium.

Speaker 9 (01:24:37):
We can see the field. I think that's all that.
That's all that mat ish ish.

Speaker 1 (01:24:41):
It's a long way away from a bad angle.

Speaker 7 (01:24:43):
Yeah, I guess I.

Speaker 6 (01:24:44):
Was just wondering if there was that You guys had
any sense of how.

Speaker 1 (01:24:46):
Although I didn't have any that's going to get picked
moments to Usually that happens at least once or twice
a game.

Speaker 9 (01:24:52):
Really, I think we call those turnover worthy plays, but.

Speaker 1 (01:24:54):
But usually they're not. They just look because we're nine
miles away, it looks like, oh, that's going to get
picked and like lands right in the receiver's hands.

Speaker 12 (01:25:00):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:25:01):
I didn't have any of these, no depth perception. It's hard.

Speaker 6 (01:25:06):
Eighty five Pats five hundred is our number. We want
to hear from you web radio at Patriots dot com
if you have a question as far as this is concerned.
So let's turn our attention to the Jets, And how
do you think they what's the what do we think
is the thinking as a coaching staff prepares their first
time with this group on a short week to get

(01:25:27):
ready for a team, a division rival. They haven't seen Rogers,
they you know, they've watched them on tape and everything
like that. What do you think they're thinking is they
look into this game pressure sure, shake you offensive line
for the Jets.

Speaker 1 (01:25:42):
No pressure Rogers because he can't move.

Speaker 6 (01:25:44):
Yeah, offensive line is probably it's better. It's better than
it was, but it's not their strength.

Speaker 1 (01:25:50):
Certainly, it wasn't a huge issue in the opener. They
just they couldn't you know, they couldn't sustain any offense.
They couldn't get off the field. I was the biggest problem.
They hundred yards offense in that game.

Speaker 9 (01:26:01):
I would bet too that they're probably saw this coming.
Know what, the Jets do probably have some things already
prep that they know they want to try to accomplish it.
You know that are not dependent on how this game
went or what they showed in this game. Like I
would assume that they preseason are more prepared for this game.
I mean, I think they're going to do a walk
through tomorrow. They're going to do one practice Tuesday, travel Wednesday.
I mean it's quick. So knowing the team like they do,

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I would I would think that their preparation is probably
mostly already in place, and they got something for Robert
Salam that defense.

Speaker 6 (01:26:29):
And he's meaning that when the schedule comes out in
May and they can see that they've got them in
week three and it's a short week, they're working on
jet prep well in advance, so it's not cramming for
a test this week.

Speaker 9 (01:26:42):
And you face that team, you kind of know generally
how they want to play, so you know you have
some sense of how you're going to match up with them.
So not having looked at really how the Jets played,
I think you just focus on yourself. And I mean again,
I think a lot of the elements are there, but
it's really like all this stuff of injuries and other teams, like,
it's not going to matter unless you still ablish a
passing game at some point.

Speaker 5 (01:27:01):
So that to me is.

Speaker 9 (01:27:02):
Just the bottom line. You've got to find a way
to move the ball through theyre.

Speaker 1 (01:27:05):
I'm just looking at the Jets game right here. There
was another lackluster game for their offense. Two hundred and
sixty five yards. Their defense was better, obviously with a
much easier opponent. Tennessee only have three hundred yards of offense,
but you know, eighteen for thirty one hundred and seventy
six yards. Two touchdowns for Rogers, you know, efficient, no

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no mistakes. Breese Hall had had sixty two yards. You
know they had two backs average over four yards to carry.
Allen had a twenty yard touchdown run. But you know
five for twelve on third down. They need more offensively,
New York does. And you know the Patriots need a
bounce back effort on defense.

Speaker 9 (01:27:45):
That's the thing, Paul, I mean I'm looking at. I
mean Briestall eight targets, seven catches, fifty two yards.

Speaker 5 (01:27:50):
He's a running back.

Speaker 9 (01:27:50):
Great Wilson's six targets, four yards, fifty seven yards, and
nobody else had more than two catches.

Speaker 1 (01:27:55):
So again, still don't seem like they have that second
receiver because Mike Williams has you know, one catch for
nineteen yards. I don't think he was targeted last banged up.

Speaker 5 (01:28:03):
I think a little bit. I think that might be
part of it.

Speaker 9 (01:28:05):
But you know, I look at that Jets team and
it's trying to hold it all together with an old
you know, these all these veterans they burned in on
the offensive line, but you know, do they have enough threats?
That's gonna be my question with with you know, with
the Jets. But you've got to get pressure on Rogers
and that's you know, again going back to the summer,
that was my thing going in. We lost White, we
lost jet on are they going to be able to
have guys who can win one on one? And I

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think these first couple of weeks you've seen it's got
to be team rushed. They don't really have one on
one winners.

Speaker 6 (01:28:30):
What concerns me is that Jets defensive line and only
two shots.

Speaker 1 (01:28:34):
You know, they lost Jermaine Johnson today by the way,
he got carted off.

Speaker 6 (01:28:37):
Right, And I also thought I saw something that Mosley
got nicked as well. It's been a terrific player for him.
But it's Quinn Williams that I I'm concerned about. That
can just wreck havoc with the Patriots offensive line in
the state that it's in. You know, do the Patriots
have enough on defense to keep Rogers down while the
Jets are still trying.

Speaker 7 (01:28:57):
To figure it out?

Speaker 6 (01:28:58):
It sort of sounds to me a little bit maybe
I'm talking myself into it. Another low scoring game, you know,
not to sneeze here.

Speaker 1 (01:29:05):
Yeah, I mean kind of didn't really get what we
thought today. I thought there was more offense in the
game today than certainly I was anticipate. I wasn't looking
for a three hundred yard passer for sure. But yeah,
I don't think either team is very good offensively, Jets
or the Patriots give.

Speaker 7 (01:29:20):
But it wasn't fireworks today.

Speaker 1 (01:29:21):
Paul, like, no, but I mean for that, I mean,
that's that's fireworks. I mean these are very low powered teams.
Twenty three to twenty.

Speaker 6 (01:29:30):
Yeah, I mean blown coverage, you know, leading to one touchdown,
Like everything was short, the drives were long.

Speaker 1 (01:29:38):
I didn't see it that way. I thought there were
a lot of big completions today for the Seahawks the Patriots.
It's like watching correct, you know, your taxes get done.
Fifteen plays, sixty yards field goal.

Speaker 7 (01:29:50):
Yeah, it's a march, it's.

Speaker 8 (01:29:53):
Trudge.

Speaker 1 (01:29:53):
But that said, it's represented through two games. A little
bit of an improvement over last year. Yeah, right, you know,
maybe this much, but a little bit of an improvement
over the last year. They've put together some drives, whereas
last year they couldn't put together any drives.

Speaker 6 (01:30:08):
Right web radio at Patriots dot Com, Max writes in
I feel like we're all looking past the point that
the start of the season is getting better than we
all expected. We kept this game close and one last week.
Improves need to happen on both sides of the wall,
but overall, lesson we expected. We beat a Bengals team
who's playing well against the Chiefs right now. So I'll
try to jump on one of the things that Max
is asking, rate of improvement between week one and week two?

Speaker 7 (01:30:33):
Did they improve overall? Mike? Did you see enough for
you to say that in the affirmative?

Speaker 9 (01:30:39):
I think they showed more out of Hunter Henry margin
that was marginally marginally more, But I you know, generally
I thought they were they were more clutched last week.
They I think they got a little bit more disruption
last week in terms of the defensive line, and I
mean they went against better receivers and I think I
don't want to say they were exposed, but they had
a tougher challenge to deal with.

Speaker 1 (01:30:56):
That game was a blank away from a thirty plus
game for Seattle. I mean they don't like Fred brought
up the half dozen drops, they catch half of those,
and we're looking at.

Speaker 7 (01:31:04):
A different And that's the thing about football, you know,
coaches will tell you that every game is its own thing.
You know, like you can't really compare last week to
this week because the Bengals weren't playing well. Yeah, you know,
they weren't the team that we're seeing today.

Speaker 1 (01:31:17):
Yeah, they clearly showed up. And I don't know if
they'll win the game. They're gonna They're up sixteen to
ten late in the first half. I don't know if
they'll win. But they clearly showed up to play today,
No question. They didn't show to play last week. They
had all that crap that went on with all the
contract issues and telling you my thought was, oh, three Patriots.
They felt sorry for themselves in Week one. This owner's

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not gonna pay any of us. You know, we got
to get out of here. Chase is talking about, you know,
I'm I'm not gonna get paid. I might as well go.
And then then maybe they said, you know what, were
we just gonna crap a whole season down the toilet. No,
let's let's stand up and Fight.

Speaker 6 (01:31:54):
This is a Patriots postgame show presented by DraftKings. We're
here for about another fifteen or so minutes, being Fresno
says to answer Match's question about how discouraged we are.
I'm disappointed they let this opportunity slip away, but I
haven't seen this team los enough games to be truly
discouraged yet.

Speaker 8 (01:32:11):
Well.

Speaker 9 (01:32:12):
I mean, the discouraging losses aren't ones that look like this.
I mean the discouraging losses are the ones like you
know last year with Dallas and New Orleans and those
ones where you.

Speaker 7 (01:32:19):
Just they got thumbed.

Speaker 9 (01:32:20):
Yeah, you get thumped. You never really get on track,
you never feel like you really have a.

Speaker 7 (01:32:23):
Chance with the Colts Colts where you just you can't
even score a touchdown.

Speaker 9 (01:32:27):
Yeah, And so that's I mean, that's for me, is
just my fan hat on Like this has look more
functional to me through two games, and like I said,
it's just it's felt above the line.

Speaker 5 (01:32:35):
It feels like a competitive team.

Speaker 9 (01:32:37):
They got They've got problems, for sure, but it's much
more enjoyable watching this game than some of the games
I watched last year. And you know, I don't know
if that's who this team is or if this is
just again two games that kind of went they the
way they went, but you know, we'll see it's gonna
it's gonna be a quick turnaround here right into the Jets.
That's a really big challenge. We know, you know how
we feel about the Jets around here. But if I'm

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the Jets looking at you know, what Seattle did on
offense today was really just two receivers themselves. I mean
it was you know, there was like thirty targets between
uh jsn and and and Metcalf.

Speaker 5 (01:33:08):
So they can't really pressure us, guys.

Speaker 9 (01:33:10):
Let's just drop everybody in coverage and say go ahead
and try to try to be Is there a.

Speaker 7 (01:33:14):
Silver lining in that when the Patriots receivers including Henry
were throwing the ball, they didn't drop it if it
was within range, like I didn't. Too small? Do we
have any drops?

Speaker 1 (01:33:25):
Not that I can remember, but too small? But maybe
maybe one with Osborne that they said he didn't catch
on the sidlum, But that wouldn't I wouldn't call that
a drop.

Speaker 7 (01:33:34):
Tough play.

Speaker 6 (01:33:34):
Yeah, I like the line silver lining, Okay, I like
the line mic above the liner below the line. As
far as the performance is concerned on the line. Now
is Eric in New Jersey And we'll take his call
right now? Hi Eric here on the Patriots postgame show.

Speaker 24 (01:33:47):
Hey, hi, guys, doing are you Eric good? I have
a question. I'll take it off the line here, but
what do you guys rank the cogression of, you know,
getting the young guys developed as opposed to the win
loss record, because like we have guys like Paul Douglass.
Obviously Douglas the one hundred and twenty twenty perceptions is
a farce. But I mean, where do you pose to

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getting younger guys, you know, game time exposure? Where do
you put that precedent over just the team winning games?
I'll take it off the line thing.

Speaker 6 (01:34:16):
Thank you for your call. And I think that that's
the number one goal of the year.

Speaker 7 (01:34:21):
Yeah, is that?

Speaker 6 (01:34:22):
And I think a head coach knows that that. How
do you remain competitive to try to win the game,
but at the same point in time get this roster
back and to develop players so that you're in a
better position in a year.

Speaker 1 (01:34:37):
But I just don't think that the two things after
mutually exclusive. I think the young guys are going to
play and get experience, whether they win or lose. Yeah,
I mean I think, like who was out there today?
It was Douglas.

Speaker 7 (01:34:48):
I mean, the only person we didn't really see was Baker.

Speaker 1 (01:34:50):
He played, He played more than he didn't get Did
he get played more than Booty last last week?

Speaker 7 (01:34:57):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:34:57):
Right, he got in.

Speaker 9 (01:34:58):
But I mean Pettison does played a ton on special teams.
Ke On White's a second year guy, but still he's
playing a ton. Robinson and Wallace both played a lot.
I got jam Baker, you got Jalen Polk.

Speaker 1 (01:35:09):
I mean, and I don't think, and.

Speaker 7 (01:35:10):
I don't think like keeping them out would give you
any better chance to win.

Speaker 1 (01:35:14):
No, that's what I'm saying. They're not mutually exclusive. You
can try to win the games while playing your young players,
and I think the young players give you the best
chance to win. Right, They're just the only one who
playing is Drake.

Speaker 5 (01:35:24):
Right, that's the only one.

Speaker 6 (01:35:26):
Hampton and Charlotte, North Carolina. You're next on the Patriots
post game show.

Speaker 32 (01:35:30):
Hi, So I still have patience with Jacoby so that
that lost did feel like a gut punch because it
was winnable. But my question for y'all is with the
current style of conservative offense, that is had with us.
Do y'all think it's realistic? We are still in the
mold where if our defense isn't perfect, we're gonna leave.
Thanks y'all take it off line.

Speaker 7 (01:35:51):
I do think I think I think it's on the
defensive shoulders right now to win games.

Speaker 1 (01:35:57):
Yeah, I mean, I certainly would say the defense won
the opener, but this is kind of and they could
have won today, but this is kind of like what
I'm talking. Well, no, the offense would have won the
game today had they won, but they didn't. They ultimately
fell short. But this is what I was talking about, Like,
you can't get two hundred and ninety yards in sixteen

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points every week and expect to win. This is this
is what happens when the other team can actually function
as an offense.

Speaker 7 (01:36:25):
Like, so who you're putting that on? Who?

Speaker 1 (01:36:27):
The offense needs to score more points in general, but
today that's about as good as you're gonna get for offense.
They had the ball for like five minutes more than
the Patriots did. Patriots couldn't stop Seattle today.

Speaker 7 (01:36:38):
But I think that's let's call it what it was, right,
And I think that's that's the callers point is that
if the defense doesn't win you the game this year,
you're not gonna win.

Speaker 6 (01:36:47):
And when you say win the game, it's creating turnovers
or I.

Speaker 1 (01:36:51):
Guess I would say if the offense doesn't score, you're
not gonna win. I don't care what the defense does.

Speaker 7 (01:36:54):
Of course, but we're talking about this team, Like, if
this team is gonna win, it's probably going to be
because the defense held them to under sixteen points or whatever.

Speaker 9 (01:37:04):
Yeah, you know, they played well and they probably have
to get takeaways. I mean, I think that might have been.
You can qualify the fourth down stop as a takeaway.

Speaker 7 (01:37:10):
But because right now, you know, we're not forget about
May right now, I don't see where the offense consistently
is coming from. You know, I don't see where. Oh
you know, Polk was open all game and all you know,
all you know Jacoby had to do was get the
ball out quicker. I don't I didn't see that. I

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need to watch the film before making that.

Speaker 5 (01:37:32):
Sakhmount, thank you for yeah, yeah, all.

Speaker 7 (01:37:35):
Right, listen.

Speaker 6 (01:37:37):
We welcome everybody's thoughts and opinions. Here's an interesting one
from Yvonne in Toronto. Would Mayo consider putting in may
for some plays with Brissette allat tayso Mhill.

Speaker 1 (01:37:48):
I really hope not in all seriousness. I don't first.

Speaker 7 (01:37:51):
That's just going to create a clown show.

Speaker 1 (01:37:53):
Well, Taysom Hill is a different case. He's going in
as a bulldozing like Tim Tebow.

Speaker 7 (01:37:58):
Two hundred and fifty pound price or whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:38:01):
But I think I don't think that's good for May's
development unless you just want to say, you know what
we're gonna We're gonna put him in and see if
we can get a spark out of this, or you
know something you're maybe a game is really let's say today,
let's say they're down instead of seventeen thirteen, it's seventeen
to three, you know, late in the third quarter, maybe
decides you know, I'm gonna put it in. I'm not
necessarily ready to pass the baton, but I'm looking to

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get a spark and I'm gonna go with me for
the rest of the game. That I'm okay with. But
I don't think that's great for a guy's development if
he's in one. It's not college now, like you go
in for a possession then you come out.

Speaker 9 (01:38:34):
But it is I mean, but there is something to
be said, though, Paul, if you are down by a
couple scores, to say that this kid can throw the
ball field though he's willing, that's different to me. You know,
he's not gonna be afraid to take some shots, and
he's also got some mobilities.

Speaker 7 (01:38:45):
So let me let's go back to Jerrod Meyo for
a second. His press conference, right, he was very clear,
we need to do a better job getting the ball
down the field. Yep. Okay, everybody knows that.

Speaker 1 (01:38:56):
That got my intention to.

Speaker 7 (01:38:57):
Everybody knows Jacobe's game.

Speaker 8 (01:38:59):
Yea.

Speaker 7 (01:38:59):
So are you gonna do that with Jacoby? Like, are
you going to expect Jacobe to do something that he
doesn't do? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:39:05):
Well, are they not going down the field because Jacoby
can't or because they're not dialing up those plays? Because
I didn't see a lot of plays today that would
dial up to go down the field.

Speaker 6 (01:39:12):
Sure, and we heard from Mayo, So now let's hear
from the quarterback. Jacoby Brissette field.

Speaker 8 (01:39:16):
Goal, everything else happened. What do you take from this?
What do you learn from it?

Speaker 28 (01:39:19):
Yeah, you know, it's it's it's at that point of
the season where everything is learning experience. Obviously, you know,
you uh, you know, you put yourself in position hopefully
to make a little bit a couple more plays here
and there throughout the game. I know we all gonna
go back and watch his film, and it's gonna be
a play here, play there, you know, starting with myself
and you know so so it's it's gonna be you know,
good for us to go back and watch his film

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and learn from it.

Speaker 8 (01:39:42):
The hits, I mean, it's part of part of football.
So I'm used to that. You go here over here,
that's right right here.

Speaker 10 (01:39:51):
It's been two games now without a lot of production
to wide receivers.

Speaker 8 (01:39:54):
What do you think has been the issue there? Yeah?

Speaker 28 (01:39:56):
I think I mean, you know, obviously you know we
would we would like more more uh in our passing game.
You know, I got to do a better job of
getting a lot of those guys involved uh in a
game plan, uh and throughout the game. Uh So, Uh,
I take the responsibility for.

Speaker 10 (01:40:13):
That, Jacoby, what that the third and one in overtime
with the god you got stuff? But it was also
the penalty. Can you just sort of explain the call
there as you understood it and and what happened there?

Speaker 8 (01:40:24):
Yeah, so they called us for a legal man. Uh
he did. He really didn't explain it to me. Uh
so I got when we go back, I'll have to
Uh it was uncovered.

Speaker 10 (01:40:32):
I think there was no there was no receiver on that.

Speaker 8 (01:40:34):
Side, gotcha. Yeah, so that's penalty.

Speaker 4 (01:40:37):
So all the way to the right again, Jacoby, all
the way.

Speaker 10 (01:40:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:40:43):
I just wanted to ask you, similar to Doug's question,
just some of the play action plays today, it seemed
like you guys wanted to push the ball down the field.
It looked like they were playing a decent amount of
too deep, Like would you say that?

Speaker 28 (01:40:53):
Yeah, for sure, Uh, you know, obviously, you know, whatever
the tale was, they had a good tale on us
when we were trying to push the ball down the field.

Speaker 8 (01:40:59):
And uh, you know, they did a good job, you know, had.

Speaker 28 (01:41:02):
A good game plan as far as you know, not
letting us get behind him. You know, we try to,
but you know, uh gotta find ways to to you know,
to get on top of that and stand and continue
to try to push the ball down the field and
find different ways. But yeah, I thought they did a
good job of you know, playing too deep a lot
of the times when we're trying to take our shots.

Speaker 8 (01:41:19):
Jakobe career day for Hunter, Henry hit him for over
one hundred yards. Just what is that chemistry like with him?
And you know, how have you guys been getting along
the last couple of weeks. Yeah, it's growing, you know.

Speaker 28 (01:41:28):
Uh, I mean obviously he wasn't towards the Tale tail
and the training camp, he was not there as much.
But getting him back into the rhythm and to flow
the offense, and you know what I mean, he's a
really good player.

Speaker 13 (01:41:38):
Uh.

Speaker 28 (01:41:38):
And obviously you know, had had a bunch of, you know,
a good play today and you know, it's it's a
lot of fun having him on my side of the ball,
and you know, I just look forward to to progressing
that relationship and chemistry and continue to make more playst.

Speaker 16 (01:41:53):
Jacoby going back to Hunter, how much a lot of
this plays seemed like they were pretty ate breaking in improvising.
How much of was your connection to him as you
drew it up in the playbook and how much of
it was just going out there and making a play.

Speaker 28 (01:42:08):
Uh Damn, I don't really remember every play of the
game right now that he made, but uh, and obviously
it's probably split.

Speaker 25 (01:42:15):
Uh.

Speaker 28 (01:42:15):
You know, obviously he was in the area that he was.
I probably scrambled a little bit and he moved a
couple of times, but for the most part, it was
I think it was pretty spot.

Speaker 8 (01:42:22):
On, Jacoby.

Speaker 29 (01:42:25):
When Antonio broke that long run, it was about six
minutes to go and you go backwards five yards missisfield
where you only had eleven yards offensively the rest of
the game. How much of a missed opportunity to feel
like you couldn't close it out.

Speaker 28 (01:42:36):
Yeah, man, you think you answer to there is tough man.
You know, you get that big play and you know,
you get auto momentum, and then now you're going the
opposite way, you know, and uh, you know it's in
those critical situations we got to find a way to
you know, I think that was the you know, the
moment in.

Speaker 8 (01:42:50):
The game where it's like, now we got to put
him away. You know.

Speaker 28 (01:42:53):
They they gave us the the uh you know, the light,
and we just we didn't take it this time. And uh,
you know, we just got to find a better, better
way to, you know, to capitalize on those especially when
we get down there this late in the game versus
a really good team. You know, they don't give you
that many opportunities, so you gotta take advantage of those.

Speaker 26 (01:43:08):
Your final questions, Jacobe, your ninth year in the league.
This was the second game as head coach for both
dried and across the way from Mike McDonald, What did
you think about the way the two of them coached today,
back and forth in terms of the end of that year.

Speaker 28 (01:43:21):
I thought it was a good game, you know, going
into overtime, you know, second game of the season, back
and forth on both sides of the ball, playing good
football on both sides of the ball, and then special teams.

Speaker 8 (01:43:30):
You know, I thought both of them did a good job.

Speaker 28 (01:43:32):
I mean, I don't know whether he was telling his team,
but I thought Mao did a good job, you know,
getting us an opportunity, give us a chance to you know,
to be in a game, to go make the plays
to win. And you know, obviously we came up short,
but you know it's it's it's great learning experience, you know,
and we got a short week, so we got to
you know, put this one behind us fast and get
ready to move forward. And that's kind of what he
preaches preaching in us in there to us right now,

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and you know, it's just gonna continue to get better.

Speaker 10 (01:43:57):
Can you can you tell me what you saw on
the sack that you took right before or the missed
field goal around the twenty one took the nine.

Speaker 8 (01:44:06):
Yard sack, Yeah, it was It was just a bad
play by me.

Speaker 28 (01:44:08):
I was trying to get a ball out and I
just didn't want to be careless with the ball and
throw it in somebody strips happen from behind, because I
felt somebody come from behind. Yeah, and so I was
trying to get a ball out and Dan, it was
just a bad play by me.

Speaker 6 (01:44:27):
Accountable and professional Jacoby Prissett, I can understand why the
Patriots want a guy like that. That's who you just
heard from. I wanted to bring up one thing that
I had in my notes that I should have brought
up earlier. And am I overreacting to this? And that
was what seemed to me. Defensively, the Patriots had a
tough time adjusting to that no huddle or pace that

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Seattle hit him with a couple of times that didn't
look great, at least to the eye. I didn't pass
the eyeball test. They seemed like they struggled throughout the
game with that.

Speaker 1 (01:44:56):
I thought, whatever it wanted to all day. Offensively, didn't
they score though? Yeah, they got, they got, they got
their own they got in their own way a lot.
Fred brought up the drops, I brought up the penalty
that stopped the drive when they got the guy punched
somebody after the play completely short circuited a second half drive.
But I thought the three receiver set for Seattle, and

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they ran the no huddle the whole game. It wasn't
up tempo, but it was no huddle the whole game,
which I think, uh probably affected the Patriots' ability to
sub at times, right, And I think that they did
a good job with their motions. I thought Smith and
jigbow was was a problem throughout the game. They had
a hard time keeping track of him. And I thought,

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like I said, I thought Seattle offensively, for the for
the most part, they really did what they wanted to
do a greef Red.

Speaker 7 (01:45:48):
Yeah, yeah, I do. I mean just the receiving yards alone,
you know, just a number of catches that they had.

Speaker 1 (01:45:56):
Now, there were individual plays, big plays that the Patriots
came up huge, like the fourth and one, you know,
but I would go back and say on the third
and one, you fumble a snap like you can't do that,
like and that make sure you have to go for
it on fourth down, and then Dugger makes the huge
play on fourth down. Or that might have been the
third The third one might have been the one at
the end of regulation where the fourth down one they

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ended up not going for they just kicked the field
goal to tie it. I might be confusing those two,
but I thought for the most part, Seattle had a
plan and it worked.

Speaker 5 (01:46:26):
At the very least.

Speaker 9 (01:46:27):
It never felt like New England was really dictating on
defense or forcing the matter at.

Speaker 7 (01:46:30):
All, and it kind of it was the most troubling thing.

Speaker 9 (01:46:32):
Yeah, out of the gate last week, I would have said, yes,
it just seemed like they were buzzing, and you know,
the Bengals seemed on their heels.

Speaker 6 (01:46:38):
Never felt like that was and it felt like New
England was on their heels for most of the time defense.

Speaker 9 (01:46:42):
Yes, yeah, especially I mean, you know, I will give
them some credit though, because there were you know sometimes
where it felt like the game started the tail off
and you're like, here it goes, it's gonna be that
like when probability play. They made big plays at times
and they encountered and you know.

Speaker 7 (01:46:53):
Show toughness. There's there. You know, Uh, they're gonna they're
gonna keep fighting. You know, they're not gonna They're not
gonna quit.

Speaker 1 (01:47:02):
Or two weeks in, two weeks in yeah, right, like
if the offense continues to do what it's done the
first two weeks. They didn't pack it in last year
either until very late. So we'll see.

Speaker 7 (01:47:13):
Right, it's basically the same group of guys, right.

Speaker 6 (01:47:15):
I think the coach is encouraged by their determination and
their effort, thinks he's got a tough team. You know, again,
we talked about this earlier. They got punched today, there's
some adversity. There's some guys that they're gonna be without.
It's a short week.

Speaker 7 (01:47:28):
Let's see how they respond. It's a Wednesday, you know,
it's right now, it's Wednesday.

Speaker 9 (01:47:33):
It's already Wednesday, guys, it's already Wednesday in their world.

Speaker 7 (01:47:36):
All right.

Speaker 6 (01:47:36):
Well, it's Sunday here in Foxborough and the Patriots lose
their home opener to the Seattle Seahawks in overtime twenty
three to twenty the score. We'll be back at it
again on Thursday, even though today's Wednesday. When the Patriots
traveled to the Meadowlands to take on the Jets and
some Thursday night football for Fred Kersh, Mike do So,

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Paul Parillo, Chris Judge, Josh, Matt Lepen, Matt Morrell, I'm
Matt Smith. Thanks for joining us. We'll see you on
Thursday night.

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