Patriots Postgame Show 9/19: Full Analysis of 24-3 Loss to the Jets

Tune-in as we break down everything that stood out from the Patriots 24-3 loss to the New York Jets in Week 3. We bring you the good, the bad and the injured. Plus, we replay postgame press conferences from Jerod Mayo and Jacoby Brissett.

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
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Speaker 3 (00:11):
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Speaker 3 (00:24):
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Speaker 2 (00:30):
There Live from our studios inside Jillett Stadium, here's Matt Smith.

Speaker 1 (00:36):
And welcome into the studios. Here at Jellette Stadium, Matt
Smith alongside Paul Perillo and Mike to show the final
on Thursday Night Football. The Patriots lose to the New
York Jets twenty four to three in a game that
I don't know if it was that close all Jets tonight. Mike,
you said earlier in the pregame show, you you know,
you were maybe hoping that the Jets would be the Jets.

(00:58):
Oh they weren't the Jets. I think these are not
your father's Jets anymore, Michael.

Speaker 4 (01:01):
No, this was this was Vintas eron Rodgers, I thought,
I mean, that's that's very Before we talk about the
Patriots not playing that great, I think you got to
give credit to Aaron Rodgers. We talked about him not
looking like himself, maybe he looks rusty, he doesn't want
to get hit, none of that. Tonight, he he played outstanding.
I mean, he picked the Patriots apart. I think it
was eight receivers with multiple receptions passing the ball around.

(01:23):
They had no trouble running the ball, plenty of space inside.
It was it was just it was call it what
it was. It was a dominant effort from the Jets tonight, Paul.

Speaker 1 (01:31):
I completely agree with Mike.

Speaker 3 (01:32):
And there was some of those things that I had
questioned about the Jets, not the team. I wasn't, as
you know, questioning the team as you guys were. Well,
not so much you, Matt, because you came eerily close
to predicting the exact final score of this game.

Speaker 1 (01:47):
And I just didn't feel good about the game. Plain. Yeah,
I hated the spot.

Speaker 3 (01:50):
But I thought that Rogers looked to me a guy
who was not comfortable, not confident in his ability to
move around. And what I saw the first two games
tonight from the very first drive of the game. He
screwed it out of the pocket on a second down
easily picked up a first down. I think that caught
the Patriots a little bit by surprise. I didn't think
they had much containment tonight, but he was outstanding. He

(02:12):
was vintage Rogers and let him up on.

Speaker 1 (02:14):
The feisty Rogers. Is that Rogers? Or was Did the Patriots?
Were they co conspirators at all? In that, Paul?

Speaker 5 (02:19):
Do you think? I mean?

Speaker 3 (02:21):
I think probably a little bit of both. You know,
based on what they had seen, they probably didn't feel
like it was as important. Now you always have to contain.
You don't want to have a pocket that any quarterback
can can break, break the outside, get outside the pocket
and buy time. I thought at least three or four
times he hit a tight end for a reasonably big
play after getting out of the pocket. So I think

(02:44):
the Patriots were co conspirators.

Speaker 1 (02:45):
To use your term, Matt Okay eight five five Pats
five hundred is our phone number, and you can reach
us also a via electronic bial at web radio at
Patriots dot com. We'll get to those notes and calls
a little bit later on. But I guess we got
to get it out of the way, Matt, and let's
hit the good, the bad, and the injury.

Speaker 2 (03:01):
Now it's time for the good, pretty good, pretty good,
the bad and the injured.

Speaker 3 (03:10):
Ah, you are right.

Speaker 1 (03:14):
Guy, right out of the shoot, Mike, how's that donut?
Does that? Does that qualify as good?

Speaker 4 (03:22):
It's my defeat, donut. I'm not trying to eat my
eat my pain away and it's not working. Okay, it's fine.

Speaker 1 (03:28):
Do you want to do do you want to kick
it off?

Speaker 4 (03:30):
I will kick it off, and I'll kick it off
with Bryce Behringer as my good See, there we go punting.

Speaker 1 (03:36):
It lazy, the punter being.

Speaker 4 (03:38):
The O you that's hey, it's one third of the game.

Speaker 1 (03:40):
As Paul tells me, Okay, I can't go there, but
I I remember that, but I appreciate it.

Speaker 4 (03:47):
Uh but you know, look I joking aside. I mean
they even said it on the broadcast. He was he
was at least maintained some kind of field position. It
didn't really seem to matter once the Jets got it.
They went down the field multiple times. But again, right,
Baron is just stuff killing the ball.

Speaker 1 (04:02):
He's terrific. He's terrific. I'm gonna just say this because
Paul's going to get into a fight with me, so
we might as well go right now. There's not a
lot of good that you can say from the Patriots standpoint. Well,
there's an emailer here Jared and Virginia that said that
Fred said in the blog that he gave the coaching
staff and f we can describe. We can get into
that a little bit later on, but.

Speaker 3 (04:21):
I would agree, and I have something about that later on.
But go ahead, because I know you want to get
this out of the way.

Speaker 1 (04:27):
I'm going to give Brissette good how about that?

Speaker 4 (04:29):
Yeah, he got killed. I mean I feel bad.

Speaker 1 (04:31):
For him, that's my point. Yeah, like he he he.
He did not play great. He took a beating, he
got the sugar kicked out of it.

Speaker 3 (04:40):
But I don't understand why that qualifies as something good.

Speaker 1 (04:44):
I don't know. I think you have to respect greatly.

Speaker 3 (04:47):
Said I didn't have respect for him, No, I know,
but he missed open guys early in the game when
the game was still competitive, and then he got killed.
So I don't know how that gets you on the
good list. But it's not my good list.

Speaker 1 (04:57):
Yeah, and they're just there's not a lot to choose from,
Paul No.

Speaker 3 (05:01):
I mean, and so I'm moving like the game listen
in week one. I didn't think there was a lot
to choose from in the bad list, and we didn't
spend much time on it. I had Dietrich Twice's sack
in the first quarter, which stopped the first drive, you know,
was after the holding penalty first and twenty.

Speaker 1 (05:16):
He comes up with a.

Speaker 3 (05:17):
Sack, makes it second and twenty six, and that allows
them to get off the fields because that was a
drive that went They went right down the field on
the opening drive, too right, and that kind of short circuited.
I thought Anthony Jennings had one tackle in the first
half on a running play for a run stuff that
set up a you know, a long yard situation that
the Jets ended up converting. And then the only other

(05:38):
thing I had on the good list was Alex van
Pel's decision to take a shot when it was fourteen nothing.
He sends Taykwon Thornton deep on a on a third
down and gets a passing afferance out of it. I
think sometimes you have to take some shots because penalties
will happen, and you know, DJ Reid had good coverage
on that play, he grabbed his arm up, getting a

(06:00):
thirty five or so yard play, and it leads to
your only points of the night. That's it. That's all
I had. Three individual plays.

Speaker 1 (06:09):
Yeah, is the bad virtually everything else? Yeah, I mean
it was a breakdown really across.

Speaker 5 (06:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (06:15):
I don't even know how to how to suss it out.
I mean, the only other thing I would jokingly say
was like the Jets penalties I felt like were the
only other other than what Paul pointed.

Speaker 1 (06:23):
Kept New England a little bit in the game.

Speaker 4 (06:26):
Stunted a couple of their for one six Yeah right, Yeah,
those those those impacted New England positively, but a couple
of times I felt like it was the only reason
they got to stop was because the Jets were, you know,
committing penalties. So yeah, I got I got nothing else
as far as goods, it was. It was brutal all
the way around.

Speaker 3 (06:42):
Okay, So what is it?

Speaker 1 (06:43):
What is it like?

Speaker 3 (06:44):
I'm curious what you guys think? What is your number
one bad list? Number one the worst thing you thought
about tonight?

Speaker 4 (06:52):
The offensive line?

Speaker 1 (06:53):
I disagree with that again, and here's why. I just,
what are you gonna expect? You got two rookies out there.
I know the kid a struggled with penalties and holding
and lined up wrong and everything like that. He's not
even a left tackle and they put him at left tackle.
The kid cuted it out through the game. I give
him credit for staying out there and trying. They are

(07:14):
what they are on the offensive line, Mike Spense, this
defense was the offensive line.

Speaker 3 (07:19):
You disagree, what was yours?

Speaker 1 (07:20):
The defense? Like, I'm with Matt, Yeah, I just I
I expect more out of the defense. The Jets could
do Ian did do whatever.

Speaker 3 (07:30):
And I would say specifically the front with you know, Mike,
you were pointing this out during the game. A couple
of plays, uh you know, some duos, Uh, you know
lead you know, it's just just basic football. Why not
you know, Aaron Rodgers under center. We're gonna turn around,
hand the ball off to to Bryce Hall and and
to Breese.

Speaker 4 (07:49):
Uh Braylon Allen and Breese.

Speaker 3 (07:52):
Hall, Breecee Hall, Briest Hall uh and and Brailen al
and they're just you know, six yards eight yards nine
hum first down runs set up like second in less
than a yard. To me, the defense was supposed to
be the reason you could stay in these games the
last two weeks. The defense has been shaky. Tonight it

(08:12):
was flat out awful. That was not really competitive. I
thought defensively, I agree with Matt, not that I disagree
with you. The offensive line was an out and out
train wreck. I want to just say, where's my one is,
Fred Lesse? I want to say, I want to take
my lumps. In the pregame show, I said that I

(08:33):
didn't think the offensive line would completely disintegrate. I didn't
think Cayden Wallace would be a disaster at left tackle.
I agree with everything Matt just said about Kayden Wallace.
Not his fault. He's never played left tackle. But the
offensive line didn't even get in the way tonight. But
like Matt said, you kind of was shorthanded up front.

(08:53):
You kind of knew that might happen. You don't expect
the defense to let the Jets, who have been had
a hard time so far in their two games, to
just run up and down the field at will. The
only thing that stopped the Jets tonight was the Jets,
and Mike pointed out the penalties, So to me, that
was the number one thing all levels, but especially that
front in the first half, their ability to run the ball.

Speaker 1 (09:16):
They get pushed around.

Speaker 3 (09:17):
Just push the Patriots around was troubling a four hundred
yards right.

Speaker 1 (09:20):
A follow up on Cayden Wallace. I think there's a
school of thought from Patriot fans out there who say,
let's just put the kid in, meaning may we'll talk
more about him as we get going here, and just
put him in and let him take his lumps. I
think at the quarterback position, it's been proven that that
can really cause some damage. What about by throwing walls
out there at left tackle and let him take his lumps.

(09:42):
You know, think expectations are what they are for this season.
Let him go out there and see what it's like
to play in the NFL.

Speaker 3 (09:50):
So is there, like just out of curiosity, is there
any danger of ruining a tackle?

Speaker 1 (09:54):
That's my question.

Speaker 4 (09:55):
I don't know. I mean, he did get hurt, I
think so.

Speaker 1 (09:58):
Oh he did.

Speaker 4 (09:59):
Yeah, I didn't know that.

Speaker 1 (10:00):
Oh I didn't know that.

Speaker 4 (10:01):
Yeah. At the end, Yeah, I just I'm questionable to return.
I'm not sure what it was. But Okay, there were
a couple of late injuries, which we'll get to, but yeah,
he was one of them.

Speaker 1 (10:09):
Okay, I just I got to get this email off
my chest. Here. As we start here, Trevor from Revere
is going, why are you meaning me? Why are you
so dismissive of the good, the bad and the injured.
I'm not.

Speaker 3 (10:18):
I don't you know, Ted, You continue to read emails
during the good, the bad and the injury.

Speaker 1 (10:22):
That gets under my skin. Okay, well that's if I
make you mad, that's fine, Okay, like that. I consider
that a badge of honor. Absolutely, that's what Fred. That's
exactly what Fred would say. Yeah, but I'm not dismissive
of it. It's It's been going on for time in memorium.
It's fine. I just think on a night like tonight
there is not a lot of good to talk about,
and the bad. We could just know.

Speaker 3 (10:44):
We're done with the good the bad. I think we
you know, we're going to talk.

Speaker 1 (10:47):
Show you for a half hour. But let me ask
you you you wanted to bring up something about the
coaching staff because Fred said in the blog he gave
the coaching.

Speaker 3 (10:53):
Staff and I don't know, I'm assuming that. I don't
know why Fred said that. I don't know what exactly
Fred was talking about. But to me, in a short
week against a superior opponent. I'm sorry, the Jets are
better than you right now.

Speaker 1 (11:06):
They were like you.

Speaker 3 (11:07):
I know that that hurts because of the dominance the
Patriots have had over the Jets. But you're on a
short week against the team that's better than you on
the road, and you have a formula that you've had
the first two weeks that has allowed you to stay
in games, and for whatever reason, tonight, they just decided
we're not going to do that. You know, they ran
the ball. I think when May went into the game,

(11:32):
they had run the ball nine times in the game,
and most of those came late in the game when
they were running the clockout. I don't understand why they
didn't try more to exploit a shaky run defense. Last year,
they were terrible against the run. This year they've started

(11:52):
off kind of shaky against the run. We saw very
few attempts to get wide on zones, which our guests
Rich Simini said was that the unfortunately one of the
best plays of the night. Stevenson got free on one
of those plays, but ended up face masking the guy

(12:13):
who tackled him, so ended up negating that run. But
I just thought your chance to stay in the game
tonight was to run the ball similarly the way you
ran it in the first two weeks, and it didn't
look like they really wanted to try to do that tonight.
They came out with a play action pass that netted
the yard. The Jets are all jacked up early in

(12:33):
the game looking to come after the quarterback, and you
fell right into that trap. I thought, I don't think
they had a great a great game plan on offense
or defense tonight.

Speaker 1 (12:42):
I think you're damned if you do. You're damned if
you don't. They've been getting the sugar kicked out of
him for their conservativeness, the fact that they don't throw
the ball. There's no attempt to get Pop Douglas to
the ball, tear screens, bubble screens, screen door, whatever it is,
and so they try that. Now you're gonna kill them

(13:02):
for that. I think the score helped dictate the fact
why they're rushing. Totals were down a little bit. I
don't think the score got out of hand. I wasn't
out of it's fourteen points. They were gonna have a truck.
They were gonna have trouble scoring anyway. And I think
when it's fourteen to nothing. Fourteen to nothing a lot
of times with this team, which it hasn't happened a lot,
But fourteen and nothing with this team feels like twenty

(13:22):
eight to nothing.

Speaker 3 (13:23):
No, I agree that this team is gonna have a
hard time coming from behind. Mike and I talk about
this all the time. There's only one way they can win,
and that's generally getting the lead. They don't come from behind,
especially not two scores. I agree that with you on
that one hundred percent. But you don't have to abandon
the run down fourteen points now when they make it

(13:43):
twenty one to three, Okay, I get it. Now it's
second half, it's eighteen points. That's different. But the first
drive of the game, the Jets didn't score. Patriots come out,
they don't run. Second drive of the game, the Jets
do score, Patriots come out again, they.

Speaker 1 (13:58):
Don't really run.

Speaker 5 (14:00):
Didn't.

Speaker 3 (14:00):
I don't think they ran it enough early in the
game to try to get ramondre Stevenson going. Now, I like,
to me, it's gonna sound hypocritical because I'm always complaining
about they run the ball. They run the ball, But
I think that, but I think that's the only way
they can stay in games.

Speaker 4 (14:19):
For me, it's it's it's bigger than that. It's just
that this team wasn't really ready to go. They didn't
have a counter punch. They came out in the second
half and it looked exactly like it did in the
first half. Nothing really ever changed.

Speaker 3 (14:31):
I agree with that. Then they came out in the
second half to to beat my to defeat my own argument.
They came out, they came out and ran the ball
to open the second half.

Speaker 6 (14:37):
And.

Speaker 1 (14:40):
Paul kept on talking about he has no question with
the effort, and I would agree with him largely. And
you're saying they didn't come out, didn't look like they
came out to play.

Speaker 4 (14:47):
No, that's honestly, I'm saying the coaches didn't have them
ready to play.

Speaker 3 (14:50):
I I don't.

Speaker 1 (14:50):
I disagree with that. I I just think they were
outclassed in this one. I think they were.

Speaker 4 (14:56):
Out They had no punch back.

Speaker 1 (14:58):
Yeah, they didn't have it. I don't think there's I
don't know that they're capable of punching back right now,
but isn't not at the stage of their development.

Speaker 4 (15:04):
Well, that was that team that could punch back a
couple of games ago. And that actually showed it, and
they didn't show up.

Speaker 3 (15:09):
I start a team to count last year like they
they were on the verge of getting blown out of
a million games last year, but they found a way
to stick in them. They didn't do that tonight. No,
I just and to me, it wasn't effort. I agree
with Matt it wasn't. I don't think it was an
effort problem. But I think what you're saying, Mike, correct
me if I'm wrong, is they didn't have them prepared,
like they didn't have any answers for what.

Speaker 1 (15:30):
The Jets were doing.

Speaker 3 (15:32):
The Jets were sort of throwing these passes down the
middle of the field on the first drive, or these
little quick hitters to the backs on the first drive,
and they were still throwing them early in the fourth
quarter with the same result like that. The touchdown drives
to me, looked eerily similar all night for the Jets.
And again, don't be deceived by twenty four points allowed.

(15:54):
This was more like a forty point game. Like they
did anything they wanted offensively to that.

Speaker 1 (15:59):
Oh yeah, they off to themselves at last, would be
the thing, right, Okay, have we have we done all
of the bad?

Speaker 3 (16:07):
I think we can get warmed up. No, I mean
I think when you want to talk about, you know,
specific things like Joannie Vai, like maybe don't pick up
a guy and body slam him on the one play
that you had defensively that was going to be for
a loss. That's like, that's a colossally stupid play.

Speaker 1 (16:24):
There were two undisciplined plays that I think that Mayo
has got to say something to his team about afterwards,
because those are the things I don't think he wants
his team to be known of. You're seeing one of
them right here, hauls down. Good play, right, don't pick
him up and throw them to.

Speaker 3 (16:40):
The That's like, I don't really understand how an NFL
player in this day and age can make that play
and think that there's there's not going to be a flower.

Speaker 4 (16:49):
You were just waiting for him to let them go, right, Like.

Speaker 3 (16:51):
That's like Keon White did it perfectly later in the game.
He had a guy wrapped up just like that, you know,
kind of wrestling with him all of a sudd and
the whistle blows and Keon White immediately takes his hands.

Speaker 4 (17:02):
Off the guy can slap on the button. Yeah, Hey,
good play, good job.

Speaker 3 (17:06):
Good Jobush was the other one right cheap shot, just
blatant cheap shot in front of the ref two full
steps after Rogers had thrown the ball, like just mindless
lack of discipline penalties. You know, we wanted to give
the coaching staff a lot of credit for the way
they all buttoned up and doing everything right in the

(17:27):
first couple of games. Well you got to call it
out tonight. They weren't buttoned up at all.

Speaker 1 (17:31):
Those two plays in particular, I would say, Mike, to
your point, when you're not seeing adjustments, if that's the
point that you were trying to make, and and talking
about the coaching staff maybe at large, those two plays
really kind of stood out because I don't think those
are the plays that Gerard May wants his team to
be representative of.

Speaker 4 (17:49):
Of course, Yeah, it's just overall, I mean that you
just you hate to see when your team starts losing
and then they start being stupid too on top of it.
And it wasn't as bad as I've seen some teams
do it, but but there were definitely enough of those
plays to to make that happen. And I'm gonna put
Remander on the bad list too, just for the fumble
at the end.

Speaker 3 (18:07):
I had him on the list repeat three fumbles and
three games. I know that Patriots fans think this was
only one because when they recover it, they forget it.
That's three fumbles and three games.

Speaker 4 (18:18):
Right, it's uh, you know, and he wasn't really that effective.
I mean, he did have the run. I mean, I
do wonder if maybe he broke his finger or something
when he was carrying.

Speaker 5 (18:25):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (18:25):
I'm looking here at the play right now. It doesn't
look like he had any finger problems, but I know
he was hurt for a second. But it's just putting,
you know, it was it was a clean game essentially, right,
Like you didn't even turn the ball overer, You're just
still playing on straight up. And then he has that
turnover just to kind of put a little punctuation on
this loss. So I just you know, those penalties and
mistakes at the end just really just add on, like

(18:46):
it's like the icing on the cake of this was
a terrible day, and we're going to finish it just
as terrible as we played it.

Speaker 1 (18:51):
The game was over to time was his uh not
going back into the game and Gibson coming in was
that punitive do you think at all? Or was it
just scores out of ya?

Speaker 7 (19:01):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (19:01):
I mean, honestly, I would have had Romandrie probably out
of the game before that anyway.

Speaker 3 (19:04):
Because I would have, but they didn't seem to agree.

Speaker 4 (19:06):
Now, I mean, and honestly, like it's like you're looking
at some of these guys, so they don't really have
anyone else to put in. We're running backs an exception,
they could, you know, put Hasty or Gibson in, but
you know, defensively like Paul was talking about, and I mean, look,
we called it out at the beginning of the game,
like we're relying on daniel Lequalley and Jeremiah Farms and
you know, these guys who have not been NFL players.
And the Jets dominated the line of scrimmage on both sides,

(19:28):
and even the runs that it felt like the Patriots
kind of had guys there, they weren't touching them till
about three yards after the line of scrimmage. So even
the runs that they were shutting down, the Jets were
still picking up yards after yards after yards, and it's
just you know, it's it's uh, it's not quite as
bad as the high school game I watched last weekend,
but they just had no answers. The Jets were the Jets,
call it what it was. They dominated this game at

(19:51):
least in two and a half phases.

Speaker 1 (19:52):
Okay, two of the bright spots on the defensive side,
and it's tough to find bright spots tonight. But I
want to ask about individuals. First, keyon White.

Speaker 3 (20:02):
I thought he was active, but most of the plays
he made were just too far downfield. They didn't have
much pressure on the passer tonight. I thought the secondary
really struggled, which is where I'm going to next. So
I think that I'm probably going to hear. You know,
a lot of people will tell me. You know, Garrett
Wilson had five catches for thirty three yards in a touchdown.

(20:25):
I would tell you that he was targeted nine times
and he was opened nine times. The handful of passes
that Rogers was off target tonight happened to be involving
Garrett Wilson. And there was another one that would have
been a touchdown, but he got called for a penalty,
so that doesn't even count. That he was open on
and Rogers missed him. I think Gonzalaz struggled. I thought

(20:48):
he again showed like sort of his lack of physicality
and tackling. Garrett Wilson shook him in the red zone
on just a nasty little cut and you know, just
little deek out cut inside and was fortunate that Marcus
Jones was there to save the touchdown on that play.
Jonathan Jones, I thought, got out leveraged by Mike Williams

(21:10):
a couple of times.

Speaker 1 (21:11):
Physical mismatch.

Speaker 3 (21:13):
And again you look at all the individual The only
individual receiver for the Jets that has an impressive night
is ty Conklin with five catches for ninety three yards.
Peppers and Dugla are again struggle, I think in coverage
with the tight ends. But I thought the secondary as
a whole tonight, anything that Aaron Rodgers wanted to do
throwing the ball, he was able to do. So, Michael

(21:34):
I would put all of the secondary as one.

Speaker 1 (21:36):
Right With regards to Gonzalez, are we seeing maybe a
little on the job training for him? You know, I
know that there's a lot of promise the kids a
good player. Rogers talked about before the game that he
thinks the kid's got a chance to be good, but
he hasn't played that much, and now he's It's Chase
week one, Metcalf week two, Wilson week three. Wills looked
like he could do whatever he wanted to do, you know,
And I thought Gonzalez struggled a little bit.

Speaker 4 (21:59):
I mean everybody struggled, you know. I just I don't
even like, where do you start. I mean to call
out Gonzales, Sure, call out Jonathan Shirt, I mean call
everybody's secondary.

Speaker 3 (22:08):
I'm not I'm not calling them out individually. I think
they were all bad.

Speaker 4 (22:10):
They were all bad, you know. I'm just I'm not really,
I'm not here for it to hear about the silver
linings about like well yeah but this guy and coverage
did this or that.

Speaker 3 (22:18):
Like but I'm just I'm just gonna tell you, Mike,
that's what's gonna happen.

Speaker 4 (22:22):
And that's that's fine. We don't need to listen to
those people. But they got rolled.

Speaker 1 (22:27):
What's gonna happen? They got rolled?

Speaker 3 (22:28):
People tell youth, Wilson's a Pro Bowl receiver and you
hold into five catches for thirty three.

Speaker 4 (22:35):
Touchdown, what does it mean? You got You got dominated
up and down the field.

Speaker 3 (22:38):
They dominated dominated anyone they.

Speaker 4 (22:41):
Wanted and I mean for me, it starts with team defense,
and this was a team defense that was completely picked
apart no matter.

Speaker 8 (22:48):
You know.

Speaker 4 (22:48):
I mean, like I said earlier, the number of receivers
that Aaron Rodgers was able to go.

Speaker 1 (22:52):
To, like it didn't even matter.

Speaker 4 (22:53):
I mean, you could have had Darryl Revis out there
wouldn't matter tonight. Like this defense was getting thrown on
all over the place.

Speaker 3 (23:00):
U any more bats that we want to focus on,
Paul uh just you know some some individual play is like,
so your offensive line is going to struggle, right, you
got two rookies in there starting. You have a left side,
you know, with Michael Jordan, the guy who started the
season on the Prag squad and Cayden Wallace you talked
about a lot. So it's it's gonna take a village, right.

(23:21):
You can't miss blitz pickups, you know. Antonio Gibson just
complete whiff on one of those early sacks. Osbourne on
a run on a running play runs right by a guy.
Now on that one, I would put on a VP.

Speaker 5 (23:34):
I don't like a little bit.

Speaker 1 (23:37):
That that that need him picking up.

Speaker 3 (23:39):
Like Quincy Williams, I don't think that's a matchup you're
gonna win very often, but you need all of those
guys because you know it's not gonna hold up all night.
You even know your best lineman, David Andrews, is going
to have his hands full with Quinn Williams.

Speaker 5 (23:54):
And he did.

Speaker 9 (23:56):
So.

Speaker 3 (23:56):
I just thought overall it was it was a tough night.
And you know with all the ancillary stuff too. It
wasn't just the offensive line. Now, they just weren't read.
I think Mike's point about just they came out not
ready to go, and they never made any any adjustments,
never punched back.

Speaker 1 (24:14):
Uh, do you have any more bad you want to No,
not tackling in general.

Speaker 4 (24:21):
Fourteen misstackles, I think was the report on the air,
fourteen mistackle.

Speaker 1 (24:25):
As much as we praise them in Week one against
the Bengals tonight, we've it's a major step back on
the tackling.

Speaker 3 (24:30):
It's almost like playing a game four days after you
played another game.

Speaker 4 (24:34):
Is tough, right, Yeah?

Speaker 1 (24:35):
I mean, and maybe the other team has to tackle too, No,
I know, but maybe that's.

Speaker 4 (24:39):
What you hope for. But at the same time, no
Juwan Bentley, no Christian Barmore. You know, it's like just
at what point, there's a ton of issue of they
just don't have the horses really to you know, to
do it. And it's hard to ask Keon White to
be all of your pass rusts. You had two sacks.
I don't know what the pressure's numbers were, Like, well,
I know is the Jets had five sacks and ten
QB hits on Jacob and you had another what three

(25:02):
four or five plays? Where is he hurt? Is he injured?
Because it looked like he was injured. I mean, and
that's you know, when you said the thing about the Kobe,
I just I mean, God, the guy is going out
there and just getting absolutely killed every game. I don't
know how long this can last.

Speaker 3 (25:14):
Yeah, a penalty on Dugger by the way, for leverage
on a on a PATI tech.

Speaker 1 (25:18):
To me, it can happen.

Speaker 3 (25:19):
It's blatant. He jumped up and lay on a guy
like it's an automatic call. They know that, and yet
they do it. You just, you know, thankful it wasn't
in a close game where it could have cost something.
And the last thing I'll just say, just you know,
the special team's coverage. This is two games in a row,
is just not there? Another big punt return tonight for Gibson,

(25:40):
they have to be better. And then the final thing,
it's first half two hundred and fifty two yards to forty.

Speaker 1 (25:49):
You're not gonna win a game that way.

Speaker 3 (25:50):
And the fact that that Sharon High School against I.

Speaker 1 (25:53):
Wasn't going to say their name was a scoreboard. It
was fourteen to three.

Speaker 3 (25:57):
That was fourteen, fourteen to three, raculous to the score
was right.

Speaker 10 (26:00):
It was what I was.

Speaker 1 (26:02):
I saw.

Speaker 3 (26:02):
It came to a conclusion tonight. This is like, you know,
as as Matt and I like to say, aproposts of nothing.
That's I think I figured out the reason why scoring
is down because the way that the defense is played,
you don't stop anybody, but.

Speaker 1 (26:16):
It takes you too long to schol exactly.

Speaker 3 (26:18):
I just the Jets had the ball for over ten
minutes and each of the first.

Speaker 4 (26:22):
Three minutes of over possession. I just say too, I'm
just kind of disappointed Kyle Duger, Like, you know, you
give the guy a long term deal. I just I
want him to be a leader. I want him to
be a tone setter on this defense. And when these
games happened, which we've seen the last couple of years,
I was just feel like he's one of the guys
making the dumb mistakes way too much. You know, again,

(26:42):
I like Peppers, I like the attitude he brings with
but I just like to see more out of Dugger.
We need more out of him than he's given.

Speaker 1 (26:48):
All right, you mentioned Peppers. Let's shift to the injuris
injury part of this, and again I don't want to speculate.
And nobody got carted off that we saw, but Pepper's
got dinged, Stevenson got dinged. I think Paul and I
both saw key On White get dinged, but he came
back out at the end. Who am I missing? You
said that Walls got there were more.

Speaker 3 (27:10):
Pepper's, Stevenson, and White all came back in the game.
So I don't know how serious I was.

Speaker 4 (27:15):
These are just ones I saw on Twitter as a
questionable for Michael Jordan, Caden Wallace, and Alex Austin all
near the end of the game.

Speaker 3 (27:23):
Okay, Anthony Jennings come back, Yes, yes, yes, he did. Okay, yeah,
that was on.

Speaker 1 (27:30):
The arm tackle, right, Yeah he did come back. He
did come back.

Speaker 3 (27:33):
Yeah, So yeah, at the end of the game, I
did notice the two waiver pickups were at left uh
and left tackling guard. Yep, your boy Trey Jacobs and
Zach Thomas b when when Drake may was in there.
So yeah, I mean they've been pretty healthy, you know,

(27:53):
with the exception of the Bentley injury in the last game. Now,
all of a sudden, you know, these things are going
to start to build up, and I think what's going
to happen is what stuff that Mike and I have
been talking about all summer since there is a scary
lack of depth. And at one point in the game,
I asked Mike, who's twenty four right right? That's del Pettis,

(28:14):
And I'm like, why is he in there? Because you
don't have Marco Wilson interactive. He didn't dress tonight, so
you're down at the defensive back. Alex Austin sort of
took his snaps, he got banged up. Pepper's is in
and out. Someone's got to play, you know, and you
had you saw some Marcella's dial at the end of

(28:34):
the game, you saw del Pettis.

Speaker 1 (28:36):
So there's not a lot of depth here. Hard to
find any good news, but the good news, I guess
if there's any on that is you've got ten days
before the forty nine ers game.

Speaker 3 (28:45):
Yes, especially and the forty nine ers have more injuries
than you, so right well as far as names are concerned, absolutely,
but depth is a problem.

Speaker 1 (28:52):
They've got ten days to get the tub and try
to get right for that to happen. And that's the
other thing I would try to say. I mean, we
talked a little bit about the coaching staff. Is this
one of those bury the bury the ball, don't think
about it kind of games? Or do they need to
sit there and look at this because this is such
a young team and go over everything. What's your tactic, Paul?

Speaker 3 (29:15):
I mean, I I wouldn't necessarily bury the ball, but
you know, you don't need to kick the crap out
of them either, you know, you gotta. I think there's
some stuff that needs to be addressed. I think there's
I think there's a lack of discipline, particularly on defense,
that needs to be addressed a little bit there. I
think a little over zealousness at times. There's some reactions

(29:37):
that I didn't love tonight. You know it's almost like,
you know, like they're looking for hits instead of plays,
you know, like just play under control. I thought the
first game was as good. First game defensively was about
as good as I've seen them play defensively in a
long time. They shut down the Bengals, and I haven't

(29:58):
seen that the last two weeks.

Speaker 1 (30:01):
Are you concerned about their discipline problems?

Speaker 4 (30:02):
Mike sure, I mean I'm concerned about everything, right.

Speaker 3 (30:05):
Well, I mean, I just you know, I just tend
to get to especially defensively, that's concerned about a lot.

Speaker 4 (30:09):
Of No, I think that, I mean the hard part
for me the defense. And you guys are totally right.
Like when I said offensive line at the beginning, you know,
the way you guys described it, like you're totally right,
Like you need more out of the defense. The offensive
line we knew was kind of crappy, But I just
look at this defense and like, unfortunately, like this is
this is kind of it, Like, I mean, this is
what they're rolling with. I mean, this is what they're

(30:30):
left with. And I think expectations got a little bit
ahead of ourselves based on that first performance. This is
a little bit more reality to me as far as
no bar More, no Jude On, no Joan Bentley, I mean,
those three guys alone.

Speaker 1 (30:45):
You're you're arguably your three best defensive players when you
were lining up.

Speaker 4 (30:49):
In your setters, leaders, guys that you look to when
you know we're gonna make plays in moments, or at
least you think can make plays in big moments. And
now it's I mean, I think I said in the summer, Paul,
we were talking, it's kind of like the twenty twenty
defense where you're like, it's kind of a bunch of guys.
Right now, it's not. You know, you have guys that
you're like and that have promise, and you know, certainly
Dougar Pepper's Gonzales Jonathan Jones are are good players. But

(31:12):
as I've said, when you lose up front and they're
running four yards a clip, no problem before they're even touched,
and you've got Aaron Rodgers back there dealing and you
have no pass rusher that can really dictate anything or
win matchups along the offensive line, that this is what.

Speaker 1 (31:26):
It looks like, right you're powerless to stop. Mike. You
mentioned both these guys, and you could probably take a
look at Snaps, although I don't know if that's out
yet now. Jeremiah Farms, Daniel Quale, good guys, good effort guys,
rotational players that you'd want to have is maybe fifth,
sixth defensive lineman. These guys are playing a ton of

(31:47):
snaps for this team and that just can't be good
for the overall defense if that's the case, right, I.

Speaker 4 (31:52):
Mean it's not Quinn Williams and Javon Kinlell. You know
these are and that's what you know, defenses really look like.
When the Patriots were really good, that's you know, it
starts up front. You got guys and then this to
me was like, yeah, this is what I was worried about,
that you're not gonna be able to win the line
of scrimmage because you've got just a bunch of guys.
Kind of I mean, you have you want kee On
White to be good. You you know you want him,

(32:13):
but I mean he was kind of visible tonight. I mean,
I'm sure someone's gonna tell me he had sixty five
pressures or something, but you know, it's just not enough.

Speaker 3 (32:21):
That's uche sorry, Uh, let's see Kean White. Yeah, ke
On White had six tackles, two quarterback hits. Yeah. They
to me, they struggle, They struggled to get anything consistently
going defensively. They were reacting tonight all night. I thought

(32:42):
they were on their heels and reacting from the first
drive of the game to the last. I mean, you know,
let's facial. The Jets also put it in cruise control.

Speaker 4 (32:50):
I mean the Jets were That's actually just what I wrote, Paul,
very very interesting. That was that was one of my
headers for one of my things. But ten for fifteen
on third down, I mean, and how many of those
were like eight it was?

Speaker 3 (33:02):
It wasn't because the penalties. The penalties set up some
tough third downs for that.

Speaker 4 (33:06):
And it just it didn't seem to matter.

Speaker 1 (33:08):
Rogers seven time.

Speaker 3 (33:09):
Twenty seven eleven first down on the ten for fifteen.

Speaker 1 (33:13):
How many of those fifteen were actually competitive? I mean
not enough?

Speaker 4 (33:16):
No, And I mean the ones where it's like, oh
my gosh, we got him out of the pocket. It
was still like here it comes. You know, you knew
six he was n fuego.

Speaker 1 (33:25):
Aaron Rodgers was okay. So before we turn the page
here a little bit and hear from you, let's ask
you this, can this be chalked up at all? Can
I look through it?

Speaker 5 (33:33):
You know?

Speaker 1 (33:34):
For silver linings, this is what happens on a short
week with the team without a lot of depth, You
bury the ball, you forget about what's going on, you
try to correct some mistakes, and you live to play
another day. I do think that or or is this
symptomatic of what we might be seeing for the rest
of the year.

Speaker 4 (33:50):
See, I feel I feel a you have to approach
it that way. You have to say, it was a
short week and you know we weren't ready and we
have some injuries and you know, took a big blow
losing Jawan Bentley for our defense, Like that's kind of
the excuse. But like how it hasn't gotten any better,
like in what two months now? We've been doing this
for two months just about, and it's like the offense,

(34:11):
it's the same. They can't move the ball right, and
when they can't run the ball, then they can't pass
the ball.

Speaker 3 (34:16):
So yeah, yes, yeah, okay, so it's very similar.

Speaker 1 (34:22):
So we're thirty one.

Speaker 3 (34:23):
Thing I know, Mike is the quarterback play will be
better unless it's not right.

Speaker 1 (34:27):
So we're thirty plus minutes into this and we have
yet to mention the guys.

Speaker 4 (34:30):
Who say it's better because he isn't turning the ball over.
That's it, right, that's it.

Speaker 3 (34:34):
We haven't mention just cared about how many points they score.

Speaker 1 (34:36):
We haven't mentioned in thirty plus minutes the guy who
came in to mop up, and will there be a
predictable overreaction by those out there who say we want
to see melfl I was wondering if Mike, if he
like went in and went, you know, pire right right down,
you know, and everybody would be like, well, if they started,
they would have won the game.

Speaker 3 (34:56):
You know, it might be dead. I think you saw
in those plays whatever, you know, dozen plays or so,
that he was out there, he's gonna turn it over
if he's out there. Yeah, Like he came close three times,
laid out his first pass almost got picked off by
the guy cutting underneath the tight end broadcast. You know,
there was a run that he tried to scramble on

(35:17):
on third down and he got buried. And I said,
I looked at Matt, because you were you were trying
to get your your writing posted. I looked at Matt.
I said, that's the difference between the preseason and the
regular season. That play, that's a first down in the
preseason because Sonny's carwash all stars are chasing him, and
Rake May is a better player than that. Yeah, and
I will see these guys are NFL players.

Speaker 4 (35:38):
I will say it doesn't matter for much, but I
do at least like the fact Drake May got in
there against the Jets.

Speaker 1 (35:45):
It's a place that I was calling for it to
drive before that.

Speaker 3 (35:48):
Yeah, my only concern was not too like, you know,
because you could have done this in the third quarter
just to save per set. But my only concern was
the Jets are still lathered up now, they had sort
of called off the dogs. When he keeps first place,
that's his first pass, and you could see him like
Spence bad, that's a first like you know. So these

(36:12):
are all backups basically in there for the Jets. So
you don't want to have you don't want to have
him taken too many hits.

Speaker 1 (36:20):
But I did think that, you know, trivia question, who's
his first NFL completion?

Speaker 10 (36:26):
Two?

Speaker 1 (36:27):
Not Rod Rutless. It's not Rod Rutless. I don't know
the answer to it.

Speaker 3 (36:32):
I know his first two. His first two completions total
two yards. I know that let's bank some four for
twenty two yards. If that's okay, we'll hit Grant in
San Diego first Grant. Good evening, you're on Patriots post
game show.

Speaker 5 (36:47):
Hey, are you doing good?

Speaker 1 (36:48):
High granted them better?

Speaker 11 (36:51):
Well, you know, I shown up so late because you
guys take everything off on bad list, But I will
give you something good.

Speaker 1 (36:58):
I please depas.

Speaker 3 (37:02):
I had that on my good list.

Speaker 12 (37:03):
A nice little wrinkle.

Speaker 11 (37:05):
I mean, yeah, he didn't catch it. It was a
defensive ci but it was nice to see something go deep.

Speaker 3 (37:11):
Yeah, if they've done it one in each of the
first three games, I'd like to see a little more
of it, and actually did it twice tonight.

Speaker 11 (37:18):
Yeah, and uh the Jet sweep to tomorrow, Douglas. I
just I want to see our athletes get the ball
and see.

Speaker 10 (37:26):
What they can do with it.

Speaker 11 (37:29):
I thought we were overpowered the entire night, which is
disappointing because I thought we were gonna be a tougher team.
I'm not saying we're not, but kind of seemed like
we got overpowered tonight.

Speaker 1 (37:42):
Good word they did. That's a good word, overpowered, and
it's a it's a it's a shame to see that happen.
It's a shame that we're using that word. Tony and Georgia,
you're next on the Patriots postgame Show.

Speaker 13 (37:53):
Hello, Tony, Hey, how's it going everyone?

Speaker 1 (37:57):
Great? How are you bad?

Speaker 13 (37:59):
Good?

Speaker 7 (37:59):
Good?

Speaker 13 (38:00):
I just wanted to start off saying there wasn't many
good things going on at night. But one thing I
can't say is that the punter, Berenger, he did a
great job tonight. I say, you know, just with the
whole field situation, the you know, having the Jets have
to start within their ten or twenty yard line and

(38:22):
have to you know, go sixty yards up the field,
and I know, you know, right before the half they
had to kick a field goal but.

Speaker 3 (38:31):
They missed it.

Speaker 13 (38:32):
So just the fact that our special teams is still.

Speaker 3 (38:35):
There, and you know special teams weren't good tonight. Care
that just to you know, put an end of the idea.

Speaker 13 (38:41):
You know they weren't good, But I mean, Berenger, he
did nail it into the inside the.

Speaker 3 (38:46):
Unfortunately we see a whole we see entirely too much
of him.

Speaker 1 (38:49):
And thank you for your call, Tony. Mike. I kind
of jumped on you a little bit when you picked him,
as you're good. I just I when your punter is
one of the best things you can say about the game.
I think that tells you all you need to know
about the game. That's why I let off with it.

Speaker 4 (39:03):
There you go, play kick, and I thought that was
a nice little way to work in a pun.

Speaker 1 (39:07):
Eric in New Jersey, you're next on the Patriots postgame show.
Good evening, Eric, Hey.

Speaker 14 (39:12):
How you guys doing. I called it early on the
pregame show, Like I said, I had, I had some
concerns that the size of the wide receivers on the
Jets were definitely calls them.

Speaker 7 (39:21):
This I remember, is the fruition of that again.

Speaker 14 (39:27):
It's just the constant again if we take it back
to the last season, even you know T Higgins on
the Bengals maybe two years ago, that was the will
Marcus Jones. But I mean yet, at the end of
the day, this offense, I mean, I understand that they
try to set uh the pass game up through the
you know, play action through the run, but just to
drop back, just your standards, drop back and passed, got
to throw make play.

Speaker 5 (39:47):
It's just not there.

Speaker 14 (39:48):
I mean, I don't care. I know the pass protection
isn't there, but I mean, just your standards, just drop
back and pass and get a throw off. I mean,
this offense just doesn't seem suitable for I mean even
Drake Mange is going out there. I mean it's I mean,
you got to your heart has to go out there
for Brissette, I mean just the licking that he's taken.
But I mean for this team to actually progress and
then just to see the progression and the skill set

(40:10):
players that you have, how do you how do you
get that when just your standard drop back passing games
isn't there and it's just you know, frustrating the defenses
was you know, uncharacteristic. But again, Paul, we we see
it when you play a team that's somewhat healthy and
they have their starters out there. You know, we didn't
catch the brakes that you know that the offensive you know,

(40:30):
the team that we played, the offensive Gill players were there.
You know, we didn't catch the breaks there. So again,
you know, I think this is kind of our defense
fall into the meeting. But overall, I mean, I'll take
it off the line, but I mean, guys, what do
you think about this team moving forward for the rest
of the season, because I think we're just you know,
we got caught with our pants down. I think this
is really just the basis of our team right here.
And you know, Elliot woke this offensive line. But you

(40:51):
got to do better and I'll take it off.

Speaker 1 (40:53):
Thanks done, Eric, Thanks for the phone call. He brings
up some good points and to me what really stood
out is, so where do you go from here? Okay,
obviously this is a game. I think Jerard would say,
this is below the line. You will below the line,
below the line tonight in all three phases. How do
you get above the line? I think that's a tall tail.
We're going to try to answer that question. We come

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Speaker 2 (44:53):
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Speaker 1 (45:10):
And welcome back to the Patriots postgame Show where the
Patriots lose on Thursday Night Football to the New Jersey
Jets twenty four to three the final in a game
that wasn't very competitive. We're having a tough time putting
a positive spin on this one across the board. I'm
gonna hit a couple of emails as we come back
from break. This is from Tristan and Austin, he said.

(45:31):
Mike just mentioned he was concerned about everything, and based
on the game, I'm sure most would agree. Offense could
move the ball, defense could stop anything. What do you
think is the answer to just win some games? It's
a pretty open ended question, and yeah, well a lot
to unpack.

Speaker 4 (45:45):
It tied it into what you guys said first, and
then the defense has to has to start by playing better.
I mean that's supposed to be I guess the strength
of your team, although it's hard to really pound the
table for that given the personnel that they're rolling out
right now. If it was still Bent and bar Moore,
you know, there might be it might be a little
bit better. But I think it has to start there because,
as you guys pointed out, I mean, the offensive line

(46:07):
took two more injuries tonight. So how's that gonna play out.
It's hard to say, well, they've got to play better
on the offense. They've been trying, man, they've been trying.
It just hasn't gotten any better. So if it's going
to get any better, it has to start with the defense.
They've got to play better. They've got to give this
offense what they need, which is multiple possessions and not
a lot of points to overcome.

Speaker 1 (46:23):
Mike Christian Colorado wants you to know if somebody should
consider taking your shoelaces. He seems to think you're awfully down.

Speaker 3 (46:30):
Oh, I mean it's good.

Speaker 1 (46:32):
I watched the four win season last year. I know
what this is like.

Speaker 3 (46:36):
It's uh, you kind of see it and you're like
thank you to yourself. Uh oh right, yeah, I've seen.

Speaker 1 (46:41):
This movie before, right, you know, So I think the
big question that we have, and I don't know that
anybody's got a great answer for it. Is this the outlier?
Is this the outlier?

Speaker 8 (46:50):
Or was the.

Speaker 1 (46:51):
Cincinnati game the outlier?

Speaker 3 (46:52):
Small sample size, but here's here's what my concern is
to answer that question is I think it's not as
much reliant on how you play, it's what the other
team does. And I think in the first game, you
caught a team that wasn't ready to play mentally, was

(47:13):
missing a big part of its offense, and you played
well and you stole one. And then in the in
the subsequent games, the other team had its players and
you had no answers. Now you almost stole one of
those games. The Seattle game tonight. You weren't even competitive
in the game. Correct makes a Seattle game even more frustrating.

Speaker 1 (47:34):
You had that well.

Speaker 4 (47:35):
And it's also that you're realizing now that teams have
got two games of tape on the Patriots, and this
is the direction it's heading. They're gonna seven sacks.

Speaker 3 (47:44):
Seven sacks like and I know that they they're over
match at times, but there's too many guys unaccounted for.
There's too many like you know, te stunts that the
guy comes free like they have to. I don't think
it's it. They don't look like they're very cohesive.

Speaker 4 (48:00):
There's nothing really to grasp onto and say this is
the piece, this is the little, you know, thing we
can build off of. Like there's nothing after this game,
and that's why it's a tough game, especially against the
divisional opponents.

Speaker 3 (48:10):
So flush it.

Speaker 1 (48:11):
You're gonna have to say, they're gonna have to flush it.

Speaker 4 (48:13):
I mean, there's no other choice to flush it. But
that doesn't necessarily mean that flushing it is gonna make
it go away or not not let it happen again.
And that's what the concern is because there's just not
the the personnel. There's not Well, these guys are better
than this. We've seen, we haven't seen better than this.

Speaker 1 (48:27):
These a lot of these guys. This is what they are.

Speaker 4 (48:30):
And unless they play perfect team defense in the game,
as we've talked about, ad nauseum unfolds the right way
and they get a couple of turnovers and they get
the lead and the position a strength they can run
the ball. You know, we all know what it looks
like at this point when you're not talented team and how.

Speaker 7 (48:45):
To win game.

Speaker 3 (48:45):
Glad you brought the turnovers too, because like this kind
of score generally the last couple of years would happened
in the games that they turned it over, and turnovers
had nothing to do with this game.

Speaker 1 (48:54):
Nothing.

Speaker 3 (48:55):
You know, they had one turnover, but that's not why
this game.

Speaker 4 (48:58):
And how many times did you walk out of those
games and like, we just can't turn the ball over
Mac on that first play, you know, and that's it the.

Speaker 3 (49:04):
Toad and like you know, they're turning over like three
three times against the Eagles. I think in the first
half you lose a game twenty five twenty you're saying, Jesus,
if we can hold on the ball.

Speaker 4 (49:12):
Right right right, there's no there's none of that today,
there's none. And now it's I mean, if we could
only stop him on third down.

Speaker 1 (49:18):
You know, that's what it is. I peruse some of
these emails before. I don't think this was this is fair,
But David wants to know. I know he's a new coach,
but I'm not a fan of Mayo's faces and demeanor
during the game. He always shows a face of disappointment
as as he's telling the players what to do, but
they're just not doing it. It's not his fault. I
don't buy that at all. I think somebody is looking
way too.

Speaker 3 (49:38):
Hard into it because you had a comment sort of
about his sortan I agreed with.

Speaker 4 (49:45):
You wearing his wearing his heart on his sleeve. You
know I don't. I mean, I just as hard as
a coach. You know your team's taking it on the chin.
But yeah, I mean, I don't know if I agree
exactly with what the email are saying, but to me
it stood out.

Speaker 1 (49:56):
Is it possible I agree with his premise.

Speaker 3 (49:59):
I don't necessarily agree with his wording, but you said
tonight like I think it looks like he doesn't have
any answers. He looked bewildered, and I agreed.

Speaker 1 (50:07):
I thought he looked more pissed than bewildered, and he
should have been pissed daring their headlights.

Speaker 3 (50:13):
I didn't see that, I did. I didn't think he
had any he had. I don't think they looked like
they had any idea how to counteract anything.

Speaker 4 (50:21):
Well, the proof is in the pudding because they did.
They never did counteract anything.

Speaker 1 (50:25):
Eli or E from Wisconsin says, can you remind me
what the team record is? Afterday? I feel like the
league might take away the Bengals win. I mean, the
Bengels game does seem like a long time ago, and
it was again which one was the outlier, you know,
remains to be seen. Rich at MetLife Stadium. I was
at the game, and it looked like the early nineties Patriots.
I feel like that game should have been fifty five

(50:46):
to ten. I don't think twenty four to three was
very indicative of what happened tonight.

Speaker 4 (50:50):
It was even worse than that, I think to your point, Paul, though,
I mean, and I don't know exactly, but were there
many twenty plus plays by the Jets. I mean it
was all kind of just a couple, just eight, you know,
four seven, you know, like there was never like negative one.
I mean, maybe they weren't twenty plus yards maybe one.

Speaker 3 (51:09):
Yeah, Rogers's longest completion was twenty seven yards. The longest
run was only eleven yards.

Speaker 4 (51:15):
So that's it.

Speaker 1 (51:16):
I don't know how many twenty plus yard passes they had,
but they didn't need them.

Speaker 3 (51:23):
They just worked their way down the Like I said,
they averaged you know, they ran seventy plays to the
Patriots forty eight, and they averaged five point seven yards
of play the Patriots averaged two point nine.

Speaker 1 (51:35):
Like overmatched is an earlier call f one hundred to
one thirty nine. Deanan Scottsdale repeats the phrase, this is
not the outliers. What is in his subject right, We
shouldn't be surprised. Of course, they were hyped for the
first game and the Bengals were not. What's concerning is
that the last two quarterbacks have looked perfect against the
Patriots defense. We know the offense is lousy.

Speaker 3 (51:55):
I agree. I mean, to me, the outlier was Cincinnati
based on what I've seen so far.

Speaker 4 (51:59):
I mean that point the two perfect quarterbacks. That is pressure.
To me, that is past rush pressure, that's winning the
line of scrimmage. That's dominating and getting the quarterback uncomfortable.
Quarterbacks are not uncomfortable facing this fight, right.

Speaker 1 (52:12):
Well, somebody.

Speaker 4 (52:16):
Did you pick?

Speaker 1 (52:18):
Somebody said that we should make mister Rogers neighborhood neighborhood
a little uncomfortable. I didn't know, and mister Rogers picked
them apart. And let's remember that Geno Smith isn't exactly
you know, Johnny Unitas, and both of them had field days.

Speaker 4 (52:35):
But that's disconcerting any NFL quarterback if they don't feel
pressure if they feel like trust their guys. They got
a pocket in the game and they start to get
some momentum and they get comfortable, and this is what
it looks like. They complete every single frigure right.

Speaker 1 (52:48):
And I'm not questioning Paul, but I think Paul said
in the pregame show, Hey Rogers hasn't looked great. You know,
he's concerned about people at his legs.

Speaker 3 (52:55):
He doesn't look like and said, my one, I gave
him mea culpa.

Speaker 1 (53:02):
But my point is, I think you were right in
saying that. And he looked tonight like there was a
little he looked like five years ago right right the
way he moved.

Speaker 4 (53:10):
I mean that's and that's like, you know, Patriots' perspective aside, like, hey,
Aaron Rodgers seems like he's back. You know, that's a
that's an interesting takeaway from this game.

Speaker 3 (53:18):
I would suggest Patriots fans not watch Get Up tomorrow
because I think Greeney might uh right, Greenie might have
says Adam wants to.

Speaker 1 (53:29):
Know, and it's sad that it's come to this at
Foxborough has turned its lonely eyes towards But Adam wants
to know. Is there any update on Cole Strange, who
I think I saw on the sideline at least dressed,
which means he's traveling with the team. Mike, do you
have any news, any indication or anything like that on
the status of Cole Streams.

Speaker 4 (53:48):
I went to practice last Friday and he was up
on the upper field working out running a little bit.

Speaker 3 (53:53):
So he can't play next week no matter what. And
after that we'll see if he gets back on the
practice field. I just would say, like, I don't know,
and I understand what the email or just said, like,
please don't think that like there's going to be this
dramatic light switch going off if City Sow or Cole
Strange comes back in the lineup. There's really no difference

(54:15):
between Michael Jordan and these guys.

Speaker 4 (54:17):
I just need bodies, that's I mean, that's the thing
for me. I just I just need depth, I need options.
I need guys to can play. I mean, if if
I need somebody who could play left tackle, yeah, I
mean they might be.

Speaker 1 (54:25):
I don't know that. I don't know that there's somebody
on the roster right now.

Speaker 3 (54:28):
I need somebody who has has played and can play
left tackle.

Speaker 1 (54:32):
Not on the roster and I'm sorry it Low? What
did you just whatever?

Speaker 3 (54:39):
Sorry's appearance? I just it's it's hard and I understand
you can scheme around tackles. It's hard to go into
every game knowing you don't have a left tackle and
I have to do something to fix that, to help that.

Speaker 1 (54:55):
It's limiting. I mean, does Low help them though? Or
you're telling me it's not a difference now difference? Okay?

Speaker 5 (55:00):
Wow? Do you I mean?

Speaker 19 (55:02):
No?

Speaker 1 (55:03):
Am I being harsh?

Speaker 5 (55:04):
No?

Speaker 4 (55:04):
I mean I he's been working hard, they've been working.

Speaker 3 (55:07):
With him, plays hard month and a half, A ton
of pressure in sacks last week too.

Speaker 1 (55:12):
Would you think the coaching staff would feel more comfortable
if he was in the lineup.

Speaker 3 (55:15):
Or Wallace was in the line left tackle low because
he's been in the league at least a little bit,
but he's not. I would rather have Wallace long term, Yeah,
I would.

Speaker 1 (55:24):
I just don't. I don't think Vederian Lowe is.

Speaker 3 (55:27):
A left tackle. I don't think he's an NFL left
starting left tackle. He's a swing tackle ideally, right, he's
a he's a backup right. Do you not even think
he's that?

Speaker 5 (55:37):
No?

Speaker 1 (55:37):
I don't like that. Look.

Speaker 3 (55:38):
I don't know he's not a starting player.

Speaker 1 (55:42):
I mean, i'd agree with that.

Speaker 3 (55:42):
I'm not trying to be disrespectful. I mean I think
he's he's given it as all right, you know, but
I just don't think that he's you know, would you
say below the line?

Speaker 1 (55:51):
I too many people below the line.

Speaker 3 (55:54):
I will say this. You can point fingers at the players,
you can point fingers at Gerard. This is an Elliott
Wolf issue. I believe my words. Stubbornly thought he didn't
need a left tackle and he could just move a
guy there. He tried to move a corps for He
tried to convince himself that Kayden Wallace could make the transition.

(56:17):
I'm not ready to say Kayden Wallace can't make the transition.
I'm gonna say he probably won't be able to because
I keep falling back on my snarky line about Penn State.
You know, half the teams in the NFL don't have
a left tackle, but Penn State had two of them.
I can't believe. I can't believe that. But this is

(56:37):
an Elliott Wolf issue. He thought he was gonna be okay,
and it's not okay.

Speaker 4 (56:42):
No, and they've had bad luck on top of that,
a corps four is off the team now, I mean
it's it's.

Speaker 3 (56:47):
Because he didn't want to play left tackle, right, Yeah,
that's why he's off the team.

Speaker 1 (56:52):
Chad and ATLS is not surprised. The team is just incomplete,
no weapons on defense or offense, no protection for the quarterback.
The punch is the only good of the night. Everyone
else is on the bad list. He's glad to see
Drake play a little bit, but they need to listen
to Tom Brady and continue to let him sit. I
just I mean, I at this point, is that point
nailed down tonight?

Speaker 3 (57:13):
Do you guys think there's any chance that you know
this is sort of the start?

Speaker 1 (57:16):
No, I don't.

Speaker 4 (57:18):
I don't entirely rule it out, to be honest, I
don't entirely think it's a little too soon. They just
look so dead in the water right now. It's like,
I don't, I don't know what else do.

Speaker 3 (57:26):
I don't think that he'll play. And I've said this before,
and I know I've gotten scoffed at. I don't think
it's a terrible spot to put him in at San
Francisco on the road, a game that you have no
expectations in. You're playing one of the best teams in
football on the road. Virtually anything he accomplishes is going

(57:46):
to be considered to be pretty good because of the spot. No,
there's no real pressure there. I don't expect it. I
think if it looked even though it was garbage time,
I think if it looked a little better when he came,
you might be more inclined that you might you know,
maybe the coaches would have happened. But he looked like
a guy who's not ready to me, Did you guys
feel like that?

Speaker 1 (58:07):
I mean, no, he looked.

Speaker 4 (58:08):
I mean it looked pretty I.

Speaker 1 (58:10):
Mean there was a couple of there's a couple of
times he was surprised by the snap? Was he when
he was in shock? You had mentioned that on one
of the fourth But so the question is if you
don't bring him in next week against San Francisco because
I thought always had sort of in the back of
my mind Miami at home. That game circled how much
of a difference in San Francisco versus Miami, Meaning I'm

(58:30):
talking about the calendar and how and can you get
him ready to play Miami home. Maybe there's a little
juice there. People get excited to see him and everything
like that. Might that game and that atmosphere help him
as opposed to being knowing you know, well, we don't
expect anything from you in San Francisco, so let's see
what happens.

Speaker 3 (58:48):
Yeah, I think people are going to expect to win
the Miami game if Skyler Thompson's playing, right, you know,
I don't know if they're going to be able to
get what's Huntley's nickname, Scoop Snoop Snoop? Is it snoop
or scoop.

Speaker 1 (59:03):
Snoop snoop?

Speaker 3 (59:04):
Untly it's past midnight, maybe he'll maybe he'll be playing,
But I think people are going to expect to win
that game with no toua.

Speaker 4 (59:12):
I just I just feel like Brissette's time is limited anyway,
with the number of hits he's taken. So that's why
if you just like just put him back in there
and get as much out of him as you can,
because God knows how much you're going to actually get,
and it might be the second quarter of San Francisco
with the way things have been going, and then you're
not going.

Speaker 1 (59:28):
To have a choice. Eighty five five pats five hundred
is the number. Pat from Agawam, You've waited patiently in
your next on the Patriots postgame show, O Pat, can
you hear me?

Speaker 19 (59:41):
Yes, sir, So.

Speaker 20 (59:45):
You know you guys hit the nail on the head tonight,
you know, I don't think And as far as like
the broader question is is this the outlier? No, I
don't think so. I think this is going to be
the norm, at least for the next few seasons, until
we fixed both ends of the line of scrimmage, because
I mean, there's a serious lack of talent on the

(01:00:07):
offensive side and a serious lack of depth on the
defensive side line of scrimmage. And until we get that fixed,
and it might take a couple of years, Patriots fans
will buckle up. I mean it might be. It might
be rough.

Speaker 1 (01:00:21):
With a tremendously uplifting phone call by Pat on that one,
I mean a couple of seasons.

Speaker 3 (01:00:25):
Cousin, Cousin Patty, sounded like you might have tipped a
few back tonight, Love Cousin Patty.

Speaker 1 (01:00:32):
I don't think that that Patriot fans are going to
have the patients for a season's long. Well, they have.

Speaker 3 (01:00:39):
I think they have some depth issues, you know, along
the defensive line, like Mike has been talking about. You know,
corner is another area that Mike and I are lockstep on.
I feel like we lack and I think you've seen
it a little bit. We talked about this during training camp,
right Mike Mayo one day said, you know, we've seen
it from like Alex Austin or Marco Wilson. You know,

(01:01:02):
at the time, Sean Wade was still here. But we
haven't seen it consistently from any of those individuals. And
that's kind of cropped up. You know, you saw Marco Wilson,
you know, get called on the first two games pis
in each game. He sits. Tonight, Alex Austin plays bad
mistackle on the first touchdown to to Lizard, and you

(01:01:24):
know they're they're looking for another guy who can cover.
You can't just rely on Jonathan Jones forever. He's been
a really solid profo you for a while. Now he's
he's getting up there. So they have a lack of
depth there. And then you know, with the skilled guys,
it's not a lack of depth, it's a lack of talent,
like high end talent. You know, they have a bunch
of complimentary guys like Tomio Douglas and and Jalen Polk

(01:01:49):
and kJ Osborne, but they don't have an alpha, the
you know, the Garrett Wilson to attract the attention from
the other team, so the rest of the guys can
sort of fall into slots. Maybe when Kendrick Bourne comes back,
he's closer to that, but I still think he's a
two or three, no question.

Speaker 4 (01:02:06):
I didn't like that play from Austin to on the
touchdown wherever we get the shirt. I mean it's you
know that that's you need a physical corner the guy
who's gonna break down and make a tackle there, and
he just kind of gave him me all try to
like let me grab your shirt like you're not. Yeah,
it's gonna keep the guy out of the end zone.

Speaker 1 (01:02:20):
Ronnie from Texas, you're next on the Patriots postgame show.

Speaker 10 (01:02:22):
Hello Ronnie, Hey guys, and ask how you guys are
all doing.

Speaker 6 (01:02:27):
But I think I know, you know, you know, Ronald
come on pretty tough ones tonight, guys. But I think
you guys were spot on earlier saying that you've seen
this movie before. Honestly, I after the end of the
first Jets drive. I kind of knew what type of
game this is going to be, and I can see
it on everyone's faces, and I guess I just want
to know, like number wise, where do we rank in
the NFL, Like how many wins do we end up

(01:02:50):
with at the end of the season, And are we
really just going to go ahead and tank or are
we gonna still try for those wins?

Speaker 1 (01:02:55):
We're not gonna going to tank teams.

Speaker 3 (01:02:59):
But I do agree with this, you know his point too,
and that yeah, I mean like we have seen this,
and I think that's why he sort of the reality
sets in a little bit. They're going to have a
hard time beating teams that have a better roster, a
bill at shot to play Houston, you know, say three
or four weeks, you know San Francisco next week, you know,

(01:03:21):
the two games against Buffalo and now again, a lot
of these things can change. Like I would have said
this Miami too, but now two is out, so I
think that changes the complexion of that game. But that's bad,
Like you don't want to go into these games thinking, well,
maybe if the other team's best players are hurt, you know,
we have a shot. You know, I think even with
all of those guys missing from San Francisco next week

(01:03:42):
is going to be a tall task.

Speaker 1 (01:03:43):
All right, here we go, We're over an hour into it.
I'm a little bit jacked and pumped here. All right,
this is Tevin who writes, I understand the frustration with
how bad our offense is. Please can you just talk
about the fifty seconds that Drake may have the ball? Yes,
he was tackled, but I saw hope he threw a laser.
I haven't seen percent even attempt one of those passes.

(01:04:05):
He didn't look like he feared anything. He ran the
ball twice after getting stapled. He's excited for what.

Speaker 3 (01:04:12):
Well, the first pass was nearly a pick for sure,
and there was another one that was jumped that was incomplete. Okay,
I don't I didn't see anything. I mean, listen, I'm
very excited about the future, not because of anything I
saw tonight. And he was playing garbage time on top
of that.

Speaker 21 (01:04:28):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:04:30):
Everybody talks about that. You've got to earn the playing time.
We're not privy to what's going on at practice. That's
where we got stapled. And the boy did he get
stapled based on what you saw tonight, Mike, did he
earn another look out west in San Francisco?

Speaker 4 (01:04:48):
No, I mean I don't know that. I like I said,
I just go back to Pressette's days or number if
they keep playing like this anyway. So meaning he's gonna
get hurt, somebody, the quarterback for the Patriots is going
to get her. So do you want that first to
be Jacoby Brissett or do you want that first to
be Drake May You know, I just I don't know
what he's going to get out of coming out there
and playing in an offense that, even at their best

(01:05:10):
quote unquote right now is one hundred yard of game offense.
Like that's you know, it's it's not enough.

Speaker 1 (01:05:15):
That was the other one that was not not a
good decision.

Speaker 4 (01:05:20):
Yeah, it's great that he got some time and he
got in there and you know, got his feet wet,
and I'm all for that kind of stuff. But you know,
and he's there's going to be a time to come,
but there's no a.

Speaker 3 (01:05:29):
Great job, great job getting him in the game tonight,
get your feet wet. I absolutely agree. I feel better
about him starting at some point with him getting some
snaps under his belt.

Speaker 1 (01:05:39):
Can we put that on the good list. That's nice,
that was probably that was probably good to get him,
you know, his feet wet.

Speaker 3 (01:05:46):
I this is not this is not like the sixth
grade YMC. Not everybody get you got to earn a
spot on the good list good list. Guys, getting tackled
five times behind the line of scrimmage and getting up
after it doesn't earn you a spot on the good
list and put your backup quarterback in the game, and
a blowout doesn't earn you a good list.

Speaker 1 (01:06:03):
My mind is always open to adapt, and I'm gonna
tell you I think that was good that he got
his feet with tonight.

Speaker 3 (01:06:08):
Again, I told you it's your good list.

Speaker 1 (01:06:11):
Okay, you can put anybody you want on it. Great, Hey,
Marine Corps, what do you think, Mike? Can I convito?
Let's let's listen to the head coach after tonight's twenty
four to three loss to the Jets.

Speaker 7 (01:06:21):
Not good at any phase of the game. I felt
we had a good game ex as those wise, we
just didn't go out there and execute. And that's what
it comes down to every Sunday. I told you, guys,
this is NFL football, this is what it is, and
we just have to be better, so the guys would
be off next few days. Told them to you know,
get their minds right, get their bodies right, and then
come back and be ready to work. Got a bonus Monday,

(01:06:42):
got another good team that we're gonna go against next week.
Just got to be better.

Speaker 5 (01:06:50):
Appreciation how we can say, well.

Speaker 7 (01:06:57):
I thought the offensive line today had a hard time.

Speaker 5 (01:06:59):
Hard time.

Speaker 7 (01:07:00):
There were times earlier in the game where the pockets
looked pretty clean. But as the game we're on, similar
to last week, you know, started falling apart as far
as the protections. And it's not only knowing you know
how to do, it's also knowing what to do. And
I would also say we had some injuries up front
that you know the next man has to be ready
to go.

Speaker 1 (01:07:15):
Un to run just a mental physical breakdown.

Speaker 5 (01:07:18):
Would would you contribute both tonight? Uh?

Speaker 7 (01:07:21):
Look, I the first thing, I gotta look at myself
in the mirror and make sure that you know I
did everything I could to to get the guys ready
to go, and you know, base on the score today,
I need to do more. But going back to what
I said earlier, just got to hit the reset buttons
NFL football and we have to get better around four decision,
you know, kind of drink in pan. I just thought
it was an opportunity, a good opportunity for him to

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go out there with UH, with the ones and and
UH put a few drives together. Uh, he moved the ball.
We'll watch the film and and evaluate.

Speaker 1 (01:07:49):
So the performance of the offensive line give you any
pause when it comes to bring drink in that situation.

Speaker 7 (01:07:55):
Well, like I said, in the second half, now, I
felt like our offensive line w They just weren't blocking
the way they did earl at earlier parts of the game.
It definitely was something that I thought of personally, But
at the same time, I thought it was too good
of an opportunity for him to go out there and
get some experience.

Speaker 15 (01:08:10):
Dro not only only ran the ball five times in
the first half today.

Speaker 3 (01:08:14):
There was a lot of talk this week about getting
the ball to playmakers.

Speaker 5 (01:08:17):
Was the offense too concerned about getting.

Speaker 1 (01:08:18):
The ball to playmakers?

Speaker 7 (01:08:19):
Uh? I, I wouldn't say that, but we'll go back
and look at the calls. What I will say is,
you know, some of those players are called from the
huddle and then others. You know, the quarterback has the
ability to check run our pass and look, I mean,
what do we have a hundred yards in the first half.
None of it was good run, pass or anything.

Speaker 1 (01:08:36):
Quourtein Mistagle.

Speaker 6 (01:08:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:08:37):
Yeah, very uncharacteristic. And it's one of the things I'm
very disappointed in it. And as a you know, defensive
minded coach, especially you know, the second level. We we
struggled all day as far as tackling. Once again, even
when we ta we hit 'em in the backfield. You know,
just the lack of fundamentals, the lack of discipline and
the lack of just execution definitely, uh continued to show up.
But that's that was a very uncharacteristic uh for us.

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But once again, you only get one opportunity to go
out there and perform, right.

Speaker 5 (01:09:03):
Now, did you Coobe, we go sacks five times?

Speaker 12 (01:09:05):
You spend it twenty five times I.

Speaker 5 (01:09:07):
Think in the first three games.

Speaker 1 (01:09:08):
How concerned are you for him of going out with there?

Speaker 5 (01:09:11):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (01:09:11):
You always got you know, the quarterback touches the ball
every play. We we have to do better, uh, up front,
We have to you know, whether it's through scheme or whatever.
We gotta reevaluate. And the the good thing is it's Thursday,
so it's a mini bye week where we can we
as coaches can also reset and look at things.

Speaker 5 (01:09:27):
That we could do better.

Speaker 1 (01:09:27):
He gets to that, so he gets up every time,
regardless of if the griments or not.

Speaker 3 (01:09:31):
What what does that say to you?

Speaker 7 (01:09:32):
Is your valued way we It means a lot. It
means a lot for a guy to, you know, continue
to get up. Toughness is always a a huge piece
of a puzzle for a quarterback position. But we just
gotta do better.

Speaker 5 (01:09:43):
As a team.

Speaker 1 (01:09:43):
You said you were going to evaluate film MOMP based
on quarterback performance. Is there a possibility to consider a change?

Speaker 7 (01:09:52):
I don't know. Look, we talk about every single week.
You know, you're competing for a job. So we'll get
together as a coaching staff and and see where it goes.

Speaker 5 (01:10:00):
Or how much did you miss Bentley?

Speaker 20 (01:10:01):
Something to get going this one too.

Speaker 7 (01:10:04):
I mean, I don't wanna deal with like hypotheticals, but
Bentley's a huge piece of the of the defense, communication,
tackling physicality, all those things. And look, I have faith
in those other guys. I have faith in Raequan, I
have faith in and Jilani and the rest of those
guys to to get better as a learning experience. Once again,
we have to learn from this loss, uh and get better.
Bentley is not coming back anytime soon, and that's the
that's the message.

Speaker 5 (01:10:25):
When are you more of a surgical clinic from Rogers?
Do you think when it comes to what.

Speaker 7 (01:10:29):
He did type Yeah, I mean he was getting the
ball out fast. And I would say one of the
more disappointing things was that we talked about ad nauseum
was to keep him in the pocket. And I felt
like we at too many times let him out of
the pocket. And this is a guy who could make
all the those when you p uh.

Speaker 5 (01:10:43):
Make the decision to put Drake in at the end
of the game and take out Jacobe.

Speaker 4 (01:10:46):
Is that your decision or is it ab that's my
that's my decision, right just not keeping him in the pocket.
Is that just a lack of focus and discipline.

Speaker 7 (01:10:53):
Yeah, it's a it's a lack of discipline, it's a
lack of execution. And I wish I could sit here
and say, well, these are things that have showed up,
you know, in pro but it they haven't. What I
will say is there have been little things, uh, not
little things. There are big things that happened last game
that continued to show up today and we have to
get those corrected. And that starts with me.

Speaker 5 (01:11:11):
Joe, help concertain?

Speaker 6 (01:11:12):
Are you have a bunk of house?

Speaker 5 (01:11:13):
Sorry? I can try.

Speaker 3 (01:11:14):
How How concertain are you?

Speaker 9 (01:11:15):
How about the offensive line, the health, the past protection.
Did you believe you have the right personnelity like to
know you your products?

Speaker 5 (01:11:20):
Uh?

Speaker 7 (01:11:20):
I it's I mean, look, we just got beat uh
pretty handily. And I would say right now everything's of
of concern.

Speaker 5 (01:11:26):
Uh.

Speaker 7 (01:11:26):
The offensive line. You want those guys to be able
to go out there as a unit and jail together.
But you know, whether through injury or through whatever it is. Uh,
we just haven't found the right combination.

Speaker 5 (01:11:36):
Sure, go do you guys were much more competitive the
first two weeks of the season.

Speaker 1 (01:11:39):
What do you think the biggest change was tone?

Speaker 7 (01:11:43):
I I would say controlling the line of scrimmage and
not to sound like a broken record, the last few games,
I told you guys that I thought we did a
good job controlling the line of scrimmage and and being
a tough football team. We just didn't show that today
in any phase of the game.

Speaker 1 (01:11:55):
What do you see happen in the next ten days
in your mind? Get ready to where you are to
be beat and beat Francisco.

Speaker 7 (01:12:02):
Look, we'll watch the film. Like I said before, we'll
do a self scout to see where we are. But
once again, it comes back to fundamentals. I hate to
keep saying that that's what it is. And so we
can sit there and talk about we should do this,
we should do that. No, it's blocking, it's tackling, it's strong,
it's catching, it's running, it's it's all those things that
we just did a poor job.

Speaker 1 (01:12:23):
Wow does that mean there was no final question there?
Matt Okay, I think it's. Look, we're only three games
into the Drawid Mayo era, so I think we need
to spend a requisite amount of time just analyzing Dawid
Mayo's postgame press conference demeanor. Mike, what did you think?

Speaker 4 (01:12:45):
He looked a little rattle to me. I mean, he just,
you know, seemed like they took it on the chin.
And like I said, I feel like he wears his
motions on his sleeve a little bit. And I think
he's kind of searching, as we all are right now,
because when everything's a problem, it's hard to really be
specific about what you think is going to take, you know,
to get things turned around, So.

Speaker 5 (01:13:04):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:13:04):
He just it seems to me he's he's spending a
little bit three weeks into the season, short week. Rival
just got rolled and he doesn't know what the answers
are right now, just like we don't know what that was.

Speaker 3 (01:13:14):
Yeah, that was my impression is that he's obviously disappointed.
I mean, he said, I wouldn't disagree with absolutely anything
he said. You know, it's like the first two games
he felt like they had a good handle on the
line of scrimmage. They never had that tonight. That's probably
the biggest difference. You're not competitive if you're not controlling
the line of scrimmage. Do you appreciate the honesty? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:13:38):
I mean what else is he going to say?

Speaker 3 (01:13:40):
No, No, I'm not like I'm weird as a as
a journalist quote unquote. You know, I'm as small a
j journalist as you can bet. Yet, and there are
people in the building that derisively say that I'm not
a journalist at all, which is fine, it's someone's opinion.
But I'm not huge on especially postgame press conferences. I

(01:14:04):
think you so rarely get anything of any value from
what is said. But I don't have anything that I
would disagree with girod Mao on you know, like we
were ready to play and in any part of the
game tonight, he's disappointed. And he said it starts with him,
like all the stuff that Bill used to say, like,

(01:14:25):
you know, we got a coaching better, you know. And
I did think the one thing from a like a
schematic or a strategic standpoint, I thought Mike Reese asked
a great follow up question to it. He had mentioned
keeping I was just gonna bring Roger and they didn't
and that was a lack of discipline, which I which I.

Speaker 4 (01:14:43):
Was just gonna say. The same thing was, you know
personally going into the game we talked about I said,
get him out of the pocket. You know, it didn't
look like he could run anymore. It didn't look like
he wanted to.

Speaker 1 (01:14:53):
I'm gonna take that blame for that one again.

Speaker 4 (01:14:55):
Clearly Gerard knows more than I do. But uh yeah,
they just I mean not winning the line of screaming.
I thought that was that was the right answer, you know,
they just it was obvious on both sides of the
ball that they were getting pushed around.

Speaker 1 (01:15:05):
I don't know if either of you guys had your
headphones on at the time of this, and you listen
to most of the press conference, but there was a
question that he was asked, who's your starting quarterback? And
he didn't automatically go into the Brussetti answer. We'll have
to just take a look at it and see what happens.
Should we read anything into that.

Speaker 4 (01:15:23):
I think it's a little bit surprising just because he's uh,
He's been pretty consistent right with saying Jacoby is our guy.
But at the end of the day, I think I'll
still air on the side of the Patriots. Quarterback is
probably going to get hurt at some point this season,
and I would prefer it's Jacoby Brissette before it's Drake
May no offense to anybody. I don't want anyone to
get hurt.

Speaker 1 (01:15:42):
But yeah, it's terrifying who I think that is a
good point, Like, let's let's keep trotting him out there.

Speaker 4 (01:15:48):
Until until you can because guys, I don't expect like, hey,
the protection is better now, now it's time to put
him in. You're like, I'm not wait, I don't think
that moment's gonna come this.

Speaker 1 (01:15:59):
Year, But can get and shouldn't it get better?

Speaker 4 (01:16:03):
It should get better. Of course, of course it should,
and I think all that's why I go back to,
can we just get healthy and get some continuity on
the line. I mean, they just.

Speaker 1 (01:16:10):
Continuities of every game.

Speaker 3 (01:16:11):
And but again he talked about not necessarily getting beat
as much as not on the same page. And they're
missing assignments, and I think that is way more troubling
to me. They did not look like a a oiled machine.

Speaker 1 (01:16:24):
Okay, but is that lack of continuity like that you
don't know who's going into what position.

Speaker 3 (01:16:29):
I don't think so, because I've seen it with all
the guys. It happened last week, it happened the first week.

Speaker 1 (01:16:34):
Am I making excuses for saying that you're putting new
guys in on a short week and you're trying to
coach them up to get through the Game's too much
to ask.

Speaker 3 (01:16:42):
I think the only difference in the games is they
played a better front tonight. I think we did in
the first two games, all.

Speaker 1 (01:16:46):
Right, Joel web Radio at Patriots dot Com. Joel says
evening all just real quick. If high pressure jobs with
lots of stress make people aged, Jerrod Meyo will have
a full great beer by week twelve, tough loss, onto
the next Yeah, pretty realistic.

Speaker 3 (01:17:04):
That's the only way you can look at it is
onto the next Like they're going to have some games
like this. I'm gonna let people know. It's the other
teams are going to have some games that they're just
better than you.

Speaker 4 (01:17:15):
Yeah, I mean that's what you gotta You know, one hand,
it's easy to sit in the off season and be
like the rebuilding, the rebuilding, But like when you sit
through a game like this and why is what a
rebuild really looks like?

Speaker 8 (01:17:25):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:17:25):
Well, and you realize that there's holes a plenty, right,
a plenty, right stealth legends writing in Do you guys
think if we had a better old line, Brissette would
do better as a quarterback or is Brissett just not
to be the quarterback while we wait for me to develop?

Speaker 4 (01:17:41):
I mean, I think he'd definitely be better. I don't
know if he'd be good enough to really make them
win games, but I think he'd be good enough that
they would move the ball more than they are. I mean,
this is that's it's not even really functional passing game
right now?

Speaker 1 (01:17:51):
You couldn't have yeah, I mean, yeah, but Paul, you
thought he would be when you laughed at me when
I put him as good, and that's just for being tough,
is why I gave him the good.

Speaker 3 (01:18:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:18:02):
Do you think he was bad tonight?

Speaker 3 (01:18:03):
Yes, okay, I do. I think that he had opportunities
to make some throws early in the game and missed them.
One on the second it was a second down on
the second series that he had wide open for a
decent game, correct, and he just left overthrew. I think
it was Hooper. Hooper drives the boat and it was
a well designed to play and he missed him, miss

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him by a lot. And that's not like he's doing that,
in my opinion too often, where he's missing.

Speaker 1 (01:18:31):
Christ Judge right straight drop. But I think it is
I think semi routine NFL throws. That's an NFL play
right there, NFL open and he's got to get him
the ball.

Speaker 3 (01:18:41):
So and you know, look one two, it's a good
pocket right there. You could make the argument, well, you
know it's the first time he's had a good pocket
all but like, I'm sorry, that's why he's a backup quarterback.
It's not I'm not trying to be disrespectful to Kobe Prissett.
I like him a lot, and I like him for

(01:19:01):
the job that he's been asked to do to keep
the seat warm. But if they had a better offensive line,
Mike is a thousand percent right sure, they would move
the ball better. They wouldn't be good enough offensively.

Speaker 1 (01:19:13):
No, right, yeah, no.

Speaker 4 (01:19:14):
And I wonder if he hits that play, does it
start does it help in any way? Does it help
them have some kind of confidence in themselves? And you know,
there was a moment in the game you guys made
fun of me. I think Jennings maybe somebody had like
a tackle for loss, and it just stood out to me.
He stood up, he didn't really celebrate. Nobody really came
around to buy. And again I go back to that

(01:19:36):
nine doc when Bill pointed out the same thing with
their tap. I did not make fun of you when.

Speaker 1 (01:19:41):
You know, you could just tell that these guys are like,
we're getting our asks.

Speaker 3 (01:19:44):
They were defeated.

Speaker 4 (01:19:45):
Who cares?

Speaker 3 (01:19:46):
Now, I don't want them, you know, Matt goes the
other way. I don't want josh Usha. Three plays after
he takes a chief, takes a cheap shot at Aaron
Rodgers and gets roughing the passer, then gets a sack
and he gets up, I know, as a guy's hurt
on the ground, he's celebrating like they just won the Super.

Speaker 1 (01:20:03):
Bowl down twenty one three. I didn't like. I didn't
like that. Is this it right here? So watch if
if they if we stay with this long enough, oh
is going to give a little flex.

Speaker 3 (01:20:12):
And it's like twenty four to three at this point,
twenty one but okay, twenty one to three, and and
he's celebrating like they just clinched the playoff.

Speaker 4 (01:20:21):
And that's and that's and that's I don't want that either,
But that's not what I want. What I want to see,
and maybe the guys can dig it up. I don't
even know where it was.

Speaker 1 (01:20:27):
It was like a I had a stop. I know
exactly the player you're talking about, and I.

Speaker 3 (01:20:30):
Agree with you.

Speaker 4 (01:20:31):
But if we pull it up, and what you want
to see is teammates coming together and saying, all right,
that's a stop. Let's all go like together, like it's
not one guy flexing.

Speaker 3 (01:20:40):
I did this right.

Speaker 1 (01:20:41):
Next play okay, here's watch this. Watch this. Matt Marcus
Jones gives them pat on the back.

Speaker 3 (01:20:45):
Everyone else, just everybody else is just standing there like
we're getting killed.

Speaker 1 (01:20:49):
Yeah, right.

Speaker 3 (01:20:50):
I I agree with you, Mike about that and that
and Bill did make something out of that, you know,
once upon a time, Yeah, I would. I would just say,
like it's a hard game. When you make good plays,
you should be happy. There's a fine line. I understand
Matt's point of view, like you're getting buried and you're celebrating,
Like at least.

Speaker 4 (01:21:08):
Take it on the chint together and let your teammate
know that you just made a play.

Speaker 3 (01:21:12):
Curb Street tonight A couple of times went out of
his way to talk about I think it was John Simpson,
the guard from Baltimore that the Jets picked up.

Speaker 1 (01:21:21):
A couple of times.

Speaker 3 (01:21:22):
Rallied to the defense of one of Rogers on a
play that really wasn't even that bad. But just in
case you're thinking about roughing up my quarterback, don't with me.
And then he I mean, even to the point where
he got like an extra zealous penalty, which I thought
was kind of a cheap play by him. He hit
someone on the ground. I didn't like the hit, much
like I didn't like Ousche's hit. I didn't like that

(01:21:43):
hit from from and he got flagged for it too.
But I think the point was, you know, we're together
out here, and it's easier to be together when you're winning.
But that's what the character is tested in those losses.
I've talked a lot about adversity. This is the first
sign of adversity that the Patriots had. They lose a
game because they self destruct on the last couple of

(01:22:06):
drives last week against Seattle. They have a short week
on the road, first test, first sign of trouble adversity.
Don't like the way they handled it.

Speaker 1 (01:22:16):
Didn't pass web radio at Patriots dot com as a
way to reach us by electronic mail. Michael from Cali,
this one's for you, Paul. Please tell me who was
the offensive tackle they should have drafted or signed? Question
Mark Kingsley and Kansas City has been benched. It's clear
they realized the offensive tackle pool was trash and drafting
a wide receiver was smarter. Pulk looks great.

Speaker 3 (01:22:36):
Tyron Smith looked pretty good, and Pulp does not look great.
Sorry stop to catch us for thirteen yards. Tyron Smith
looked all right tonight.

Speaker 1 (01:22:44):
Yeah, you didn't hear his name the entire night, which
meant he did his job.

Speaker 3 (01:22:48):
I mean he's been fine. Their line is infinitely better
than it was last year. Correct, So you could have
gotten a veteran for nothing like they did, or trade
up in the first round and get a t I
mean what I mean they don't. They didn't draft a
number one wide receiver in the second round. Jalen Polpe

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will never be a number one ride.

Speaker 1 (01:23:09):
He's a complimentary piece.

Speaker 3 (01:23:11):
And that's fine. Yes, there's nothing wrong with receivers. But
I would rather have a left tackle. And if you
think that that is NFL caliber what you saw tonight,
I don't know what to tell you.

Speaker 4 (01:23:22):
I just don't like the attitude of there's nothing we
could do. There were no guys out there, Like what
did you want us to do? Like, I'm sorry, you
can't go.

Speaker 3 (01:23:28):
There was a tackle train that went by and and
and I'm sorry, Sue matwa and I don't know how
to pronounce his name, mattyia Yea. His career is not
over after a couple of games. By the way, he's
not done, just like Kid Wallace isn't exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:23:44):
Eight pass five hundred the number spee has waited patiently
on the line speed You're next on the Patriots post
game show.

Speaker 12 (01:23:50):
Hello, Hey, oh yeah, First, just Paul, I know I
don't have a cousin, Patty, but even so, I hope
our boy over there and you got to check on
him those bombs like the continent pro.

Speaker 3 (01:24:02):
He really is, he really is.

Speaker 1 (01:24:03):
He just got he just gots it out.

Speaker 12 (01:24:07):
It's just he's got stone the but Jesus out of
him not there.

Speaker 4 (01:24:11):
I mean, maybe maybe he enjoyed what he watched it there.

Speaker 12 (01:24:15):
Yeah, we got to wet a pun uh.

Speaker 4 (01:24:19):
Smoke that joint.

Speaker 12 (01:24:20):
But Paul, earlier you mentioned uh. I thought you had
a great point about the defense seeming like they were
looking for hits instead of plays, and I thought I
saw the same thing, but maybe it phrased a little
bit different. Where it looked like they're the Patriots with
their poor and oftentimes broken tackling. It looked like they

(01:24:42):
were the defenders were trying to strip the ball more
than to bring the ball carrier down. And thanks, So
what I what I was kind of going with there
was I wonder if the defense is kind of following
a plan to do that in order to help the offense.

(01:25:04):
I mean a little bit of a twist star I've
been drinking.

Speaker 1 (01:25:06):
I'm on, Pats, does it make you a bad guy.
Good for you does not make you a bad guys.

Speaker 12 (01:25:12):
I'll try, I'll try and say it more coherent. So basically,
I just wonder if over time, starting from the boogey
mensa today, despite their cupcake like that, you're asking too
much from the from the defense, and eventually they're gonna full,
They're gonna have issues, and that's all I got. I'm
gonna I'm gonna just get it.

Speaker 3 (01:25:30):
Good call speak. But I would just say that, yes,
there's a lot of pressure on the defense because the
offense is so limited, But I don't think the defense
is necessarily struggling because they're not just trying to make stops.
They're trying to take the ball away all the time.
I don't think that that's a directive.

Speaker 1 (01:25:47):
No, they didn't play well tonight. Okay, they didn't play
great Sunday. You know they they turned Geno Smith into
Joe Montana and Gino's a nice story and Seattle's got
some wide outs and Metcalf was talking about if Smith
is going to continue to play like this, we're in
trouble or the league's in trouble, because we're going to
be pretty good. Okay, but Rogers look like Rogers, Mike, I,

(01:26:10):
I know this is your guy, and I don't want
to hop on him too much. But Speed brought it up,
talk about guys that were looking for kill shots, and
I just see that from Peppers too often. You know,
just make the play, Just make the play, you know.
I like the fact that he's the Hey, I like
emotional guy.

Speaker 4 (01:26:28):
He's only I mean, he's one of the only guys
playing hard bringing the energy. Did you hate it when
Rodney Harrison did it too?

Speaker 7 (01:26:33):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:26:33):
I think I think that's fair enough. But I think
I think Harrison. I don't have two players in the
nation in the history of the National Football League to
have thirty sacks and thirty interceptions. Jabrill Peppers probably has
zero interceptions. I think it's a farce to compare, to
compare the two of them.

Speaker 19 (01:26:48):
I.

Speaker 4 (01:26:50):
Don't I don't know. I don't have to love the
extra business, but I still love the player, and I
think that's fine. When you look at the team limited,
you need more guys like that. You need more guys
who play hard.

Speaker 7 (01:26:59):
Life like that.

Speaker 1 (01:27:00):
Okay, so are you questioning effort tonight? I am not. Personally,
It's too much farms and too much equalities like they
are who they are. That's I think the problem trying.

Speaker 4 (01:27:12):
But the guys that the energy and fire and there
are guys who go out there and play, and you
know there's a balance.

Speaker 3 (01:27:20):
I fall in between you two guys. I don't have
the problems with Peppers that that Matt does, but I
also don't see the.

Speaker 1 (01:27:26):
Well I do that, I think a little bit to
get under his skin. Well, you definitely do. No, I
usually do that.

Speaker 4 (01:27:30):
It's easy pickings because you know, he's one of the
only guys that stands out on the defense.

Speaker 3 (01:27:35):
And it's the only time I've ever gotten Mike really
mad at me pick on peppers when on peppers and
it's like, I think I made a comment about he
struggles covering tight ends, and he rattled off like four
pff status.

Speaker 1 (01:27:48):
Stop it would never do a p f F stat.

Speaker 3 (01:27:52):
And it was next, you know, and and it looked
at me like crestfallen.

Speaker 1 (01:27:58):
I can't believe you just said that with the herd loves.

Speaker 2 (01:28:00):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:28:01):
One thing I will say, though, I wonder, schematically, when
do you go back to some more man defense, because
I think this defense was made to play meant meant
to play man it was constructed to play man. I
think that's where they're at their best. I just saw
so many.

Speaker 1 (01:28:12):
Guys where man, man open.

Speaker 8 (01:28:14):
You know, I just.

Speaker 4 (01:28:17):
If you're talking about me to cock the basics, you know,
get back to what you were kind of built.

Speaker 3 (01:28:21):
For five catches for ninety three yards. That was not
Travis Kelcey they were playing tonight.

Speaker 1 (01:28:26):
But Mike doesn't Droud Mayo and you hear him say
phrases like we're going to spin the dial, you know,
we want to be multiple. Are they trying to do
too much based on the limitations they have with personnel?

Speaker 3 (01:28:36):
I think maybe, I.

Speaker 4 (01:28:37):
Mean, I think their argument's going to be well, you know,
I mean, the game was still in reach even though
we were getting pummeled, you know, at least in the
first half. But I don't know, I don't see enough
spinning the dial. I mean, I think they've got to
do more to produce a pass rush. And that, to
me is the core root of all this problem. Is
they're getting pushed around at the line, and even when
you get to third down, they don't really have the
schematic twists and turns to you know, really confuse people.

(01:28:59):
But I don't know, I just think Christian Gonzalez, Jonathan Jones,
Marcus Jones. Those three guys can play man coverage. You know,
maybe they'll be overmatched by some of the better and
deeper receiver squads in the NFL. But I just playing
all this zone stuff. I've seen so much of it
where they get picked apart. And you know, I even
think back when Gilmore first got here, and remember they
were like talking about man. They're playing a lot more

(01:29:19):
zone early on with Gilmore. That's not what he does.
You know, maybe they don't have the horses up and
down to play man across the board, but you'd like
to see it. That might be kind of a defensive
twist to.

Speaker 1 (01:29:29):
Agree with Mike.

Speaker 3 (01:29:30):
I think they'd be a little bit more aggressive and
maybe that could get some turn off.

Speaker 4 (01:29:34):
I mean, the numbers are kind of striking when to
go in the next gen stats, but that you know,
like it's all of a sudden, like all of a sudden,
we're playing cover two zone a lot on third down
and guess what they gave up almost every third down.
So maybe that's something they can do to you.

Speaker 1 (01:29:46):
Eighty five to five pats five hundred the number Daniel
in Washington d C. You're next on the Patriots postgame show.

Speaker 5 (01:29:51):
Hello Daniel, he guys, thanks.

Speaker 12 (01:29:55):
Grabbing me on.

Speaker 19 (01:29:56):
Uh been listening to the show for a couple of
years now. Fortunately never got to watch it when we
were a winning team.

Speaker 12 (01:30:04):
But the question I have today is, you.

Speaker 19 (01:30:08):
Know, we talk about weapons on offense and go whack
thereof if we added a prime Julian Edelman, we got
a Ridley or in Brandon Ayuk in the off season,
does that really make a difference. In my opinion, it
doesn't feel like with the way this team executes said
it would.

Speaker 1 (01:30:25):
A good call, Daniel, I appreciate. I'm going to just
say that I don't like what he said. The way
this team executes it, it would make a difference until
they fix the offensive line and there's some continuity there.
I think you're hard pressed to find any skill guy
or combination of skill guys that are going to make
a huge difference unless you can protect and unless you
can get these guys to stay out of penalties in

(01:30:47):
all those things. I think until that happens, it doesn't
necessarily matter who the skill people are. We're coming close
to the one o'clock hour here on the East coast.
And let's listen to the quarterback who is It's gotta
be sure after tonight this is Kobe Brissett.

Speaker 5 (01:31:02):
Though, yah it It honestly just wasn't our night, you know. Uh,
and I don't think we really did anything well to
be ho, to be honest with you, you know, Uh,
so hats off to the defense, you know. Uh, their
defense did a had a hell of a plan for us.
You know. Uh got a long weekend and look at
the film and you know, regroup and recalibrate and and

(01:31:23):
steer the ship.

Speaker 15 (01:31:24):
Right.

Speaker 5 (01:31:24):
Uh I said ship. Now I didn't curse, so steal
the ship right?

Speaker 3 (01:31:28):
Uh?

Speaker 5 (01:31:28):
Going forward?

Speaker 1 (01:31:28):
You get hit five times, sacked five times, hit ten times?

Speaker 5 (01:31:32):
How much more had to take?

Speaker 4 (01:31:33):
And also just what was it like for you just
tryna get off plays?

Speaker 5 (01:31:37):
Yeah? I mean I'm a big man. I could take it.

Speaker 8 (01:31:39):
You know.

Speaker 5 (01:31:39):
Uh, I'm always get back up, you know, That's one
thing about me. I'm always get back up, uh, you know,
and finding ways to make plays.

Speaker 4 (01:31:46):
Man.

Speaker 5 (01:31:46):
Uh, That's that's what what it comes down to. Uh.
You know, it's football. I'm supposed to get hit, you know.
I I I didn't sign up for this sport to
not get hit, so uh, I don't really pay attention
to that.

Speaker 4 (01:31:55):
You mentioned that the Jets plan, how would you describe.

Speaker 5 (01:31:58):
Yeah, you know, I think they just had our number,
you know, and and you know when we were in
clear passing situations, you know, they they were obviously teeing
off and things like that. But uh, you know, it'd
be it'll be interesting to go back and see the
film and see what, you know, what they you know,
tried to accomplish coming out, uh and and see what

(01:32:18):
see what we can do, cause we play 'em again.
You know, they're not a vision, so we gotta get
ready for them again. Uh but uh yeah, total.

Speaker 21 (01:32:26):
Yeah, you mentioned when you wanted to take the shot
plays you feel like they had some sort of talent,
you know, did you have any sort of sense here
that do they seem to be blitzing a lot when you.

Speaker 5 (01:32:35):
Were driving back? Yeah, I mean we try. We tried
to throw the ball down the field, right, Uh you know,
uh got a p I on one, mishunt uh hoop
on one. But uh, you know, we're trying to get
the ball down the field, and you know, I thin
I just think they really came down and we didn't
execute well tonight, you know. Uh, you know, I think uh,
and that that falls back on me obviously as a quarterback.
Uh so gotta find ways to to get better at that.

Speaker 7 (01:32:56):
How do co coaches handled kind of telling you they
were gonna let yourid take that lasts series?

Speaker 17 (01:33:00):
And how were you?

Speaker 20 (01:33:01):
How do you feel about that?

Speaker 10 (01:33:02):
Uh?

Speaker 5 (01:33:03):
Told me he's going in. I mean what, I'm not
gonna art? What'm I don't know? What's what you want
me to say? Yeah, he just told me he's going.

Speaker 12 (01:33:09):
In, and then we I guess Gerard said before, like
I don't know what we do going forward to coaching
or want to look.

Speaker 5 (01:33:15):
At it like do you still feel like it's your
job or oh, of course, I mean I I don't.
I don't. I don't make personal decisions. Uh, you know,
I go. My job is to go out there and
get ready to play. Uh put good, good football on
tape and put my best before you.

Speaker 4 (01:33:29):
Guys have been so successful running the ball. How much
did you see them devote extra resources to take that
away from you? Or was it more just situational?

Speaker 3 (01:33:37):
Uh?

Speaker 5 (01:33:37):
I think a mixture of both.

Speaker 19 (01:33:38):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (01:33:39):
You know, we got to a point where we was
like we we need to throw the ball, you know,
and you know, I think I obviously early in the game,
you know, they I think the one of our first runs,
they gotta they got a got us pretty good on
one of the runs that we had. But other than that,
it's just it was just situation and then you know
it pretty much that.

Speaker 18 (01:33:56):
Yeah, did you think your forward progress was stopped the
second quarter when you kind of got spun by what
do Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:34:04):
Yeah, but I mean they're trying to protect me. Uh
so that's why they That's why they Yeah, did you
go be a when the.

Speaker 12 (01:34:08):
Drive was in here?

Speaker 15 (01:34:09):
He said that there were some plays that maybe were
called runs or passes in the huddle that you guys
had to check in and out of.

Speaker 6 (01:34:15):
At the line of scrimmage.

Speaker 3 (01:34:16):
How often would you say that happened.

Speaker 5 (01:34:18):
In that uh A mixture? I mean, like I said,
I it, it really didn't come down to the place.
It was just like they just beat our ass. To
be honest with you, you could be obviously the pressure
made it rough.

Speaker 15 (01:34:30):
But did you feel outside of the miss Austin Hooper
that there were maybe any throws that you could have
made but weren't able to tonight?

Speaker 5 (01:34:36):
I don't know. We'll see. So you it was you know,
a bun checking.

Speaker 3 (01:34:40):
Basically, how you feel going forward to the next ten days,
What do you s think needs to be done for
your offense in.

Speaker 5 (01:34:46):
Order to get ready to be good to go here? Yeah,
uh no, we gotta get our energy back. I think
that's one uh you know. Uh obviously attention to detail
and focus, Uh it is another thing, uh, you know,
And and it'll be a good time for us to
you know, reflect and see like what we're good at
you know what what uh you know, what we need
to do better at. And then you know what I mean,
it's it's early in season. You know, it's only a

(01:35:06):
third game, so got long season ahead. So it's just
a matter of like how we respond to you know,
after like you said, these ten days and and then
we get back to work on Monday and ask a leaders,
how do you find a questions?

Speaker 21 (01:35:17):
How challenging is it then with all the changing faces
on the offensive line, just to feel like you guys
can get into a rhythm.

Speaker 5 (01:35:23):
Yeah, I mean it it's definitely tough. I mean those
guys are they're bolling their their their ass off man
and and I I took my hat to 'em. You know,
I it's not a easy job, you know.

Speaker 7 (01:35:31):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (01:35:31):
You know, honestly, I don't want that job, you know. Uh,
But you know, I respect those guys were going out
there and just you know, trying their best. And that's
that's all you can aks for. Man, It's it's just
give me your best. I'm'a give them my best and
and uh, you know, and at the end of the day,
we'll see where see where we're at. Go, Yeah, I know,
don't worry about here.

Speaker 21 (01:35:46):
When you what Gerardi into the questionroom which was a
little too earlier, but it was that's about possible changing
your quarterbackords or what was that on help. I'm not
trying to get you to say the kind of a way.
I'm just curious how how you feel when I tell
you his words where Ido Dell.

Speaker 5 (01:35:57):
Will have to review in the situation. That's coaching. That's
that's I'm not going to overreact to something that I
didn't hear. So yeah, thank you to.

Speaker 1 (01:36:11):
Multiple questions about the starting quarterback. But Mike, I think
you had a different idea of what the quote of
the night was from.

Speaker 4 (01:36:17):
The quarterback who he's got our ass beat.

Speaker 1 (01:36:20):
I mean call it what it is true that I
will say to.

Speaker 4 (01:36:24):
Just popping up via Doug Katte, next Gen stats had
the Patriots offensive line allowing pressures on twenty two of
thirty five dropbacks.

Speaker 9 (01:36:32):
That is not good.

Speaker 1 (01:36:34):
Not good. Dean and Scottsdale again says I know you
guys discussed this and that Lowe is hurt, but I'm
still baffled about starting Wallace at left tackle. He has
no experience at left tackle, even in college, so it's
a head scratcher. Surely there is a free agent, don't
call me, Shirley who's at least played left tackle. Also,
regarding May, at least he's quite mobile, so that aspect

(01:36:54):
could improve the team's chances when May is mentally ready,
even if it makes more mistakes. I just want to
go back to the wall thing in free agency. I
guess that's the chicken or the egg. Which way do
you want to go? And right now they're going with
Kayden Wallace is their left tackle.

Speaker 4 (01:37:08):
Yeah, well he's you know, I mean I think they
still have some hope that he might be able to
play there. He's a rookie. I mean, what are you
going to do? Go out and you drafted this kid
in the third round. He I mean, I know it's
not ideal, but you're scrambling.

Speaker 1 (01:37:17):
You've got you've lost. Yeah, right, I can't do anything else.

Speaker 4 (01:37:21):
Trey Jacobs is behind him. He's a big guy, he's
played left tackle. But you know, to pull someone off
the street on a three day week to start, I don't,
I don't, I don't understand, right, Pauli in La.

Speaker 1 (01:37:31):
You're next on the Patriots post game show.

Speaker 10 (01:37:33):
Hello, Polly, Sorry, my name is not Pauli's Michael in La.
But Paulie, this is directed at you.

Speaker 1 (01:37:40):
Oh, hence to Polly.

Speaker 10 (01:37:42):
Yeah, give it to you right now, Pauli, because I'm
following up on my email from earlier on the OT conversation.
So basically, you gave me no names as to what
they could have gone after. My whole point to you
is that Kingsley was probably the best option for them
in the second round.

Speaker 3 (01:37:57):
The dude, I gave you Tyrant Smith, the guy who
played against you tonight. I gave you that as an example.

Speaker 10 (01:38:03):
Tyron Smith that he wouldn't play for anyone who wasn't
a contender. That was very clear, and that's why.

Speaker 3 (01:38:07):
Okay, so listen, listen, Michael stop, you talked, you sent
an email, and now you're talking. You're not letting anybody
talk back. Elliott Wolfe's job is to find a left tackle.

Speaker 1 (01:38:19):
He decided not to do that.

Speaker 3 (01:38:21):
I'm not telling you which one he should have done,
but there were left tackles available. He chose to ignore them,
and the result is you got You got pressured on
twenty two of your thirty five dropbacks to night. Jonah Williams,
Tyrant Smith. The two NFL guys that were available. He
could have traded up in the first round and gotten
one of the tackles that went A tackle train started

(01:38:43):
at about twenty five in the first round, and he
watched it go by. Any of them would have been
an option, at least somebody who's played left tackle.

Speaker 10 (01:38:55):
Give me a name.

Speaker 21 (01:38:56):
I just gave you two.

Speaker 1 (01:38:59):
I just gave you Jonah Williams a termas Smith.

Speaker 10 (01:39:02):
Listen, Jonah Williams is doing what right now?

Speaker 1 (01:39:06):
He's hurt. Yeah, he got hurt. That means he would
have gotten hurt if he played here.

Speaker 10 (01:39:13):
Probably he's done his whole career.

Speaker 3 (01:39:15):
Okay, okay, you know what. So they did the exact
right thing. They got their quarterback treated like a pinata tonight.
You're right, I'm wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:39:26):
Good job, by.

Speaker 3 (01:39:31):
Unbelievable, that's an absolute unbelievable. I just don't know how
you can possibly defend not having a left tackle on
your roster.

Speaker 1 (01:39:42):
I don't know how you can make an argument for that.

Speaker 3 (01:39:45):
It's not my job to identify every left tackle option
that was there. I gave you a couple that were available.

Speaker 1 (01:39:53):
He decided to ignore them.

Speaker 3 (01:39:56):
The caller now I'm talking about, not Elliott Wolf. I
don't know how you can substantiate going into an NFL
season without a guy who played left tackle. This is
the same argument I had on the Sports Hub a
month ago, and everybody told me the line will be
good because they have four guys locked down. I shouldn't
say everybody told me. One guy told me that.

Speaker 1 (01:40:18):
All right, before we wrap things up, let's go to
Christian in La Christian. You will be our last call
of the evening. Hello Christian.

Speaker 17 (01:40:25):
Yeah, hey, guys, tough night.

Speaker 21 (01:40:27):
I was wrong.

Speaker 17 (01:40:29):
We didn't have a bunch of chance, but the team
didn't play bad. The other team was just much more talented.
And that's just the writing on the wall, and we're
gonna have to deal with it this season, and we're
gonna have to do a better job in the next offseason.

Speaker 12 (01:40:48):
It is what it is.

Speaker 17 (01:40:52):
And I told you guys at the end of the draft,
I was angry that we had top picks at the
top of each round. I know he had another three,
but we also had topic that each and we didn't
get a receiver in my opinion, and we didn't get
a tackle. That's to me, almost a fireable offense. I'm
sorry to say that, but I'm like you, guys, I've

(01:41:15):
been following this team for enough years to have my
my opinion count. That is not acceptable to not get
a tackle and not get a receiver. Thank you, guys.

Speaker 12 (01:41:26):
Hey, have a good night.

Speaker 17 (01:41:27):
We'll we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll. We'll see each other in
ten days, all.

Speaker 1 (01:41:30):
Right, Christian, thank you very much. He was half right,
half wrong. He said the other team played well, and
the Jets did play well. He didn't think that the
Patriots played badly. The Patriots report tonight, so let's just
make sure we get out there. Uh, just one more
little comment, Paul, I want to make sure we get
all the positives and all the negatives here. This is Jack,
who says Paul you are awesome from Ian Arborough.

Speaker 3 (01:41:54):
Listen, we can we can obviously disagree. Like I'm not
telling you that I have to browbeat you into thinking
my way is the only way. It is not my
opinion that they don't have a left tackle. That's not
my opinion. That's a fact.

Speaker 1 (01:42:10):
You understand what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:42:12):
Like, you can argue with me all you want, that
you're being too hard on them, or you're not analyzing
the game the same way. It's inarguable that they don't
have a left tackle on the roster, and I think,
as Christian just said, that's a borderline fireable offense to

(01:42:32):
go into an NFL season without a left tackle. And
I remember him calling after the draft saying, what are
we doing? I remember that call because Christian calls every show.
And the four guys they had, I mean, I got
upset because three times I gave two names and I
just kept getting TOLDO, who I gave you names? You
don't like them, That's okay, you don't have to like

(01:42:53):
the names that I'm I'm suggesting anything that has played
left tackle is better than no one who's played left tackle.
We had a caller in the pregame show throw David
Bactiari out there. Would that be a better option?

Speaker 5 (01:43:08):
Maybe?

Speaker 3 (01:43:09):
I mean, my guess is that he's done because no
one signed him.

Speaker 1 (01:43:11):
Correct, But that's a good guess.

Speaker 3 (01:43:14):
You're playing a guy who's never played left tackle and
didn't want to play so badly that he decided to
quit over it and chooks a corps for and then
you put.

Speaker 1 (01:43:23):
A kid in a position tonight to not succeed. Well,
it was not pretty tonight. Not a good night in Foxborough,
not a good night at the Jersey Meadowlands, where the
Patriots dropped to one and two in the year, twenty
four to three. They lose to the Jets in a
game that really wasn't that close. They move on to
play the San Francisco forty nine ers in Northern California

(01:43:45):
in ten days. As the coach said, well deserved some
time off to try to regroup. Reset for the coaching
staff and the players, for Chris Judge, Josh Davis, Matt Lepin,
Matt Morrell, Mike you do so, Paul Perlo, I'm Matt Smith.
Have a great week, everybody.

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