Patriots Postgame Show 9/21: Full Analysis of Patriots Week 3 Loss to the Pittsburgh Steelers

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Speaker 4 (00:25):
Hand off to Stevenson, big hole across.

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The forty, cuts the forty five and steam rolls the defender.

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Speaker 6 (00:40):
Welcome into the Patriots Postgame Show, of course, presented by DraftKings.
I'm Kawanne Luniz with Paul Parillo or the rest of
our game will eventually catch up to us. But Paul,
as we know, the Patriots not getting this one. Steelers
twenty one to fourteen when here Edgelette Stadium. Overall, first
reactions from.

Speaker 4 (00:57):
You just one of the strangest that I've seen this
Patriots team play in quite some time. I thought that
they were alternately brilliant and horrific. And the bottom line
is no secret here. You can't turn the ball over
five times and expect to win a football game in
the NFL.

Speaker 7 (01:15):
I don't care who.

Speaker 4 (01:15):
You're playing, but for large stretches of this game, they
dominated Pittsburgh and they're going to really be kicking themselves
that they didn't come away with a win.

Speaker 6 (01:26):
One hundred percent agree. At that being said, I love
the point that you made the beginning, because I feel
as though the last three games so far have been,
like you said, this weird emotional roller coaster of like
they look good at they have spurts of positivity, and
then it goes back to all right, well this is
not exactly the offense or defense that we're looking for.
But offensively defensively, which one which side of the ball

(01:48):
were you more concerned about after this loss?

Speaker 8 (01:50):
Well?

Speaker 4 (01:51):
Today, I mean it's it's offense and it's the turnovers
that you just have too many turnovers to you know,
to live to fight. And defensively, you know, after a
rocky start, they settled in and like I said, they
really dominated Pittsburgh. And you know, I don't think that
Aaron Rodgers looks like he's overly interested in hanging in

(02:11):
the pocket and making plays anymore. When the Patriots made
him look every bit the forty one year old that
he is, but give him and give the Steelers credit.
They got up off the mat offensively, and they put
together one final drive when they had to, and that
was enough to come away with a win. But I
know people don't want to hear it now, and I'm
not sure I even want to talk about it now.

(02:32):
But there were a lot of good.

Speaker 9 (02:34):
Things in this game.

Speaker 4 (02:35):
They just kept making mistakes that sabotaged their progress. Two
turnovers in the end zone Kwaniti five overall. Two fumbles
from Andre Stevenson both bad fumbles too. And I know
you might say, well, well all fumbles are bet no
like sometimes you just sort of take a hit right,
you know, helmet right on the ball, And those weren't

(02:59):
the case today for.

Speaker 9 (03:01):
Stevenson.

Speaker 4 (03:02):
You know, Gibson's was a little bit more a really
bad turnover by Drake May. The one in the end
zone I think was a bad throw. People are going
to say it got tipped. It was a bad throw,
that's why it got tipped, But I would say that happens.

Speaker 7 (03:17):
The one that that really.

Speaker 4 (03:18):
Hurts is I think him trying to do too much
while taking that sack in the fourth quarter and losing
that ball, so just a lot of a lot of sloppiness,
a lot of mistakes and you I think you played
better than Pittsburgh all day, but you didn't deserve to
win the game, if that makes sense.

Speaker 6 (03:34):
No, that's correct. So that being said, we obviously this
is a los so we have to reflect on. There's
so much bad to get to, and of course we'll
get to our good, bad and injured segment eventually. But
with Drake May, like you said, there was these sparks
of like accuracy and you know, moving the ball when
he needed to. But what more else would you have
liked to see from him.

Speaker 4 (03:54):
Just you know, taking better care of the ball. And
I think, you know, sort of when the game is on.

Speaker 9 (03:59):
The line, finding.

Speaker 4 (04:01):
A way to settle himself down. I thought there was
a throw to to Mario Douglas that got away from him,
you know, on that final drive. And I don't know exactly,
you know, schemes and play calls and whatnot, but on
fourth and one, you just can't throw a pass short
of the sticks, you know. And I know they're probably

(04:23):
looking for more than that, but.

Speaker 7 (04:27):
I don't know.

Speaker 9 (04:28):
This is this is a frustrating loss.

Speaker 4 (04:29):
And I have a film we're going to hear a
lot of frustrated fans, and we should be because you
know you'll get this game. Twenty six first downs to seventeen,
three hundred and sixty eight, totally ours to two oh three.
They ran seventy one plays to forty nine. They did
everything better than Pittsburgh in this game except for score,
and ultimately that's what you judged on, is the final score.

Speaker 9 (04:51):
No one but themselves to blame him again.

Speaker 6 (04:53):
Like I said, so, like you said, we are getting
some calls. I will pull up Luke and Savannah. Let's
start listening to a have to say.

Speaker 8 (05:02):
Hi, Luke, Hey you guys, can.

Speaker 10 (05:04):
You hear me?

Speaker 6 (05:05):
Yes, we hear you, loud and clear, all.

Speaker 8 (05:07):
Right, first time, long time. Absolutely love what you guys do.
Just one of like two points is Will Campbell better
than Morgan Moses. And then I think it's about time
that we see eton chism in ahead of Pop Douglas.
He doesn't really see I don't know if it's the hands,
I don't know if it's the connection with Trick May.

(05:29):
I just think it's about time that we seeton chism
in there ahead of Pop. He doesn't really seem to
be doing much for the offense. Y'all were saying today
was the day with all the man covers that Steelers play,
and even then Pop did not come out in the well.

Speaker 4 (05:44):
Pop was wide open all day and the quarterback unfortunately
couldn't get him the ball. I'm not really exactly sure
what you're you're looking for from Pop Douglas that he
that he was responsible for today.

Speaker 7 (05:55):
But I don't know.

Speaker 9 (05:56):
But you turn the ball over five times, you're gonna lose.
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (06:00):
Eeft and Chisholm prevents them from turning the ball over
five times. I'm not not really here for that one.

Speaker 8 (06:06):
At change up the hands at the end.

Speaker 4 (06:09):
There what hands that the ball was on the ground.
There was a horrific throw. He was wide open and
you didn't you didn't put it on him like you
got to set your feet, you got to step.

Speaker 9 (06:18):
Forward and throw the football.

Speaker 4 (06:19):
I thought he threw the ball really well for the
most part today, but unfortunately he didn't when it counted,
you know, at the end of the game, and there
were some balls that got away. Listen, they had five turnovers, Kwannie,
they could they could have had more. A couple of
dropped interceptions for for Pittsburgh, you know, and this is
just one of those things the bounce of the ball

(06:40):
kills you.

Speaker 9 (06:42):
This is a game that they're going to look back on.

Speaker 4 (06:45):
With a lot of regret because there's no reason whatsoever
the Patriots lost this football game today.

Speaker 7 (06:50):
None.

Speaker 6 (06:51):
All right, let's hear from this Sean in Virginia.

Speaker 11 (06:57):
Hey, I do want to member a few things, like
when you keep playing pop dougards, like like I said,
like Paul said, the gods opened nine times out of ten,
eight times. Understand it's the fact that that Greg May
has a hard time giving in the ball. And then
also when I also watched the team, it's almost like
I'm watching NFL follies. I mean, yes, make the most
dumb and stupidest plays. Yeah, I agree on disciplined and

(07:18):
like it's crazy that I mean, like far as this
pass I watched the last five years, that makes the
the most dumbest plays. And then on top of that,
when it comes to the turnover plays or whatever, I
think this team is more prone to turn the ball
over because they had to work so hard to move
the ball, like like aren't so many plays Like I
feel like that it's more probable than not putting the
turnover the ball because they exert so many plays, there's
no explosion. That's all I really got to say.

Speaker 4 (07:39):
No, I mean, I think all your points to Sean fair,
I do think that they have a lot of sort
of deliberate drives. They don't get a lot of chunk plays,
you know, last week, notwithstanding with the fifty five yard
or Stevenson. But you're right. I mean, I thought their
offense was far better than than Pittsburgh's today. But you

(08:01):
look at the average gain and it was five point
two for the Patriots four point one for Pittsburgh, so
not much of a different only a yard difference, And
I thought the Patriots looked like a much more explosive team. Wow,
it looks like Cleveland just beat Green Bay in the
final set.

Speaker 9 (08:16):
That's a huge upset.

Speaker 4 (08:17):
Yeah. Yeah, that the zone good for the Browns, you know. Yeah,
this is especially days like today where I'm going to
be pouting a little bit.

Speaker 9 (08:25):
This was watching red zones.

Speaker 6 (08:28):
But you mentioned the turnovers. Obviously you don't want five
turnovers in any game. But how much of this would
you say is a fundamentals issue for this team or
just maybe the overall lack of experience from the players.

Speaker 4 (08:40):
Yeah, I thought a lot of it today was was
fundamentals on and the Eagles are going to escape with
a win. They blocked a field goal on the final
play of regulation, and it looks like they're going to
get a cover too, because Jordan Davis is running for
a touchdown.

Speaker 6 (08:52):
Every other game ended dramatically.

Speaker 4 (08:54):
Yeah, I would say, you know, like I said, the
fumbles were you know, soft fumbles. Three of them, I mean,
the only one I would say would fall into the
category of somewhat understandable as Gibson's like, you know, you
got Tabrill Peppers put his helmet right on the football
may trying to do too much at the end of
the game.

Speaker 9 (09:11):
Looked like he was trying to throw the ball forward.

Speaker 4 (09:14):
And the two Stevenson fumbles I thought were a little soft,
especially the first one. Mike, you almost got us the
Rams win, but they got a field goal blocked on
the last player regulation return for a touchdown. The Rams
I got. I got to cover for the Eagles. This
is a chip shot field goal too.

Speaker 7 (09:33):
Look at that.

Speaker 6 (09:36):
Moment, we're talking about turnovers and how much no one
Los Angeles Rams.

Speaker 12 (09:42):
Yes, I heard the beginning of Mike Rabel's press conference
there and he was saying.

Speaker 9 (09:48):
You think, you know, that's exactly what the issue is.

Speaker 12 (09:51):
And I mean, I guess my thought right now coming
out of this game is that this team has to
decide who they want to be. Do they want to
be a team that can play like their defense played
for the second and there quarters, that at times move
the ball it will or do they want to be
a mistake prone team that hands the other team victory.
And I guess in a way, I'm a little encouraged that.
You know, we saw the defense turn around those first

(10:11):
two possessions look like, oh boy, this is gonna be
a long day. Whatever they figured out, whether it was
personnel changes or scheme changes, adjustments, they did a great
job then for you know, forcing a turnover, multiple punts,
three and outs, I mean kept the offense in the
game when the offense just kept giving the ball back.
So it's just an unfortunate way to win. And you know,
in some ways, I think this is sign of a

(10:31):
young team, a new team. But again, they got to
choose what team they want to be. Do they want
to be the team that gets these things right, stops
with the penalties, at the bad times, stops with the
with the penalties, and stops with the turnovers in excessive numbers,
and then you might actually, you might actually have something here.
But if they don't, they're they're going to continue to
lose games in this fashion, which is, you know, incredibly
frustrating for us to watch, and I'm sure as the

(10:53):
players as well, we.

Speaker 6 (10:54):
Definitely don't want to see that. I'm going to give
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(11:16):
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how are you?

Speaker 10 (11:25):
Hey?

Speaker 4 (11:25):
What's up?

Speaker 5 (11:25):
Guys?

Speaker 13 (11:26):
I've definitely been better so last last season. We had
the Stevenson fumble issues all season long, but we stuck
with them because I don't really know if we had
really any other options. Are we going to run into
something like that again this season where we don't want
to run Henderson into the ground and we need him,

(11:48):
we're not going to be able to get really anything
for him. So is this another situation We're going to
watch it all year long again?

Speaker 9 (11:55):
That's a great question.

Speaker 12 (11:56):
I mean, look, Rimandra Stevenson fumbled in the in stadium
practic and it felt like the whole fan base is
going to lose their mind based on the seven turno
you know, fumbles that he had last year. I think
we all felt a little bit uh oh when he
had one and then when he had two, especially on
the goal line. Uh Look, I don't know what the
answer is, because you can bench a guy at a
certain point. I mean, and Mike Rabel's a new coach,

(12:19):
so I think understand why he wants to give him
a chance.

Speaker 9 (12:21):
He wants to give him a fresh start. But now
when you have a two fumble.

Speaker 12 (12:25):
Game, when it explicitly cost you points in the red zone,
I don't know what the answer is. I mean, we
saw him and Gibson sit down for a long time.
At a certain point, you have to put him back in.
You can't just play Trayvon Henderson the whole second.

Speaker 4 (12:37):
I mean, they have the same option they had last year.

Speaker 9 (12:39):
You know, Gibson. Gibson is the is.

Speaker 4 (12:41):
The primary backup, you know, on an every down basis.
Today when they both fumble, is why you get ended
up with eleven carries for Henderson but two and a
half a carry like he's not. He's not a between
the tackles every down option if you ask me. But
I agree with you, it's going to be something because
I think Rabel wanted to sort of show some conft
and show some support. Yes, Stevens, I think he wanted

(13:03):
to keep him in the game. But then he fumbles
again on the goal line. You got to take him out. Yeah,
and in the players that he was, I don't think
he touched the ball again after that.

Speaker 9 (13:10):
He was in there after that, but I don't think.

Speaker 4 (13:12):
I think they were probably short yardage packages that he's
the guy on and he had to be out there,
but they didn't give it to him.

Speaker 6 (13:17):
Yeah, I'm all the coaching you two have seen. How
do you effectively help a player regroup from that performances
like that knowing that this can't be the norm.

Speaker 9 (13:27):
I mean, I don't know what the answer is.

Speaker 12 (13:29):
It's one of the hardest things coaches deal with, because
you would think that fumbles are something that you can
overcome that there's obviously physical steps you can take in
terms of holding the ball, and there's also mental steps
you can take to try to give guys confidence. Like
Paul said, but you've got to imagine now that maybe
some doubt is going to creep into your mind when
you have two fumbles and oh no, here we go again.

Speaker 9 (13:51):
I mean, I think all the fans.

Speaker 12 (13:52):
Will be on edge and primed to watch Stevenson with
these carries.

Speaker 9 (13:56):
Now, we talked about it all season.

Speaker 12 (13:58):
He's got to hang on to the ball and I
don't know what point you pull the plug on him,
but it really seems really hard to do when he's
playing well.

Speaker 9 (14:06):
He's one of your best players.

Speaker 12 (14:06):
When he bounced back and early in the second half,
he had some big plays for them on that drive,
getting them off the you know, out of deep in
their own territory. So you saw the value that Ramandra
Stevenson can have. And that's what's so frustrating. If he
wasn't a good player, if easier to say he's a
fumble prone guy, we can't just deal with it anymore.
But he keeps teasing you with these big plays that
he makes, both running the ball and catching them ball

(14:27):
out of the backfield.

Speaker 6 (14:28):
Let's welcome in, Fred.

Speaker 7 (14:29):
How are you, Heywan?

Speaker 6 (14:30):
Where's your donut?

Speaker 11 (14:32):
No?

Speaker 9 (14:32):
No donut, no.

Speaker 6 (14:34):
Getting you on the bad days. I'm sorry. No, what's
your overall first reaction?

Speaker 7 (14:39):
I'll tell you something. As much as that sucked, that's
the kind of game where I can't wait to play
next week. I want to get out there again because
we should have won that game. I like, if it
was me, if if I was one of those players,
I'd be like, give me another shot. I want to.
I need to have an other chance to make good

(15:01):
on that because we should have won that game. So
I next Sunday can't come fast enough for me. I
want to get out there and give this another shot
because I saw some good things. The turnovers killed us.

Speaker 9 (15:14):
There are a lot of good things.

Speaker 4 (15:15):
Yea. I made the comment when Kwannie and I started
that they were alternately brilliant and horrific, right, I mean,
they played really well for the long stretches of this
game and long drives, but then they just couldn't stop.

Speaker 7 (15:31):
Every one of those Steelers should be sending us thank
you cards. I want them in the mail. I want
to have them on my desk on Monday.

Speaker 4 (15:38):
But it does illustrate a lot, and we just had
a caller, you know, say, it does illustrate a lot
of the shortcomings because it requires so much for them
to move the ball. It's so hard for them to
because they just don't get any chunk plays and you know,
you look at their scoring drives and it's you know,
nine plays seventy seven yards, fifteen plays eighty eight which

(16:00):
they had another double digit play drive for over ninety
yards that they ended up with the pick in the
end zone at the end of the half. Yeah, they
just don't make any.

Speaker 9 (16:09):
I think they were what was it, three for four, So.

Speaker 12 (16:12):
But you know, like just your point, like they're having
to go on four downs to keep it going.

Speaker 7 (16:16):
But this is what we talked about, and we knew that,
you know, this isn't like we didn't just discover that
it's hard for them. Yeah, we said after week one,
the Patriots are going to have to earn the right
to go along because teams aren't afraid of the short stuff.
Yet we're earning that though at one point I think
Drake was twelve in a row completion something like that.

Speaker 9 (16:38):
I want to say, the completed his last fifteen in
a row in game something like that. So oh no,
you had one winning Yeah.

Speaker 7 (16:44):
Yeah. But my point is that, Okay, teams are going
to have to start game planning because they're realizing, okay,
they can execute that, they can go on those sustained drives.
So they're going to have to start, you know, playing that,
and then that's when it opens up long So that
will come, im I'm I'm patient about that. I'm impatient
about all the ridiculousness today in terms of the turnovers early.

Speaker 9 (17:07):
Now only your position cannot be made to look ridiculous.

Speaker 7 (17:10):
Yeah, that right, But you know so I'm patient with
all the other stuff except for the penalties of the turnovers.
The other stuff will come. It will come.

Speaker 6 (17:21):
I appreciated you giving the silver lining of wanting to
looking forward to week four, But I think there's inconsistencies
on both sides of the ball. Obviously, that's why the
beatures are where they are right now. But defensively, where
do you guys put this team at as of today?

Speaker 12 (17:36):
It continues to be what I thought it was. It's
a roller coaster it's up and down, and who want to.

Speaker 9 (17:41):
Be honest, today was the first signs of life.

Speaker 7 (17:43):
I thought, oh yeah, I mean they're not going to
hold them forever.

Speaker 4 (17:46):
I think today was the first signs of life. On defense,
you know, it's one of those deals and you always
make fun of me for this, but I was like, yeah,
they allowed twenty points in the first two games. I
thought they were horrific on defense. Well they allowed twenty
one today and I thought they were excellent on right.

Speaker 7 (18:00):
Right, it's just wild. You need the context. You can't
just look at the box score.

Speaker 12 (18:05):
Well, I would just say I've never seen the defense
like this, go from having your first two series look
like they can't stop a nosebleed and there's tons of
space all of a sudden, let's just go lockdown, mo.

Speaker 9 (18:15):
What do you guys say?

Speaker 12 (18:15):
You want to force like an interception and like five
straight three and out, Yeah, let's do that. And then
of course after that turnover, you're like, and here it comes.
This is when they're going to kick in and go
right down the field and score. And that's you know
exactly what happened. But you know, credit to the defense
kept him in that game. I gotta imagine it's pretty
hard for a defense watching five, you know, five turnovers
in a game.

Speaker 9 (18:34):
Here we go again, quick change. We got to go
out there. You know, maybe you'd like to see the
defense make a couple more plays.

Speaker 7 (18:39):
I will say this, if they weren't playing the Steelers
in an Aaron Rodgers who just doesn't want to have
anyone touch him, and they were playing like the Bills
or the raven this probably would have been a complete blowout.

Speaker 12 (18:50):
Yeah, we'll see it too, you know, but you give
those turnout Yeah, no, right, that's just not so Yeah.

Speaker 7 (18:54):
Yeah, I'm just saying the same. They wouldn't have been
able to stop a better team like they did today,
Like if it's a Josh Allen or a Burrow or
you know. But it just happened to be the Steelers
and they had this game, they had it right here,
and they they gave it away that I'm just I
just want to get out there and give it another
try next Sunday.

Speaker 12 (19:15):
Yeah, I mean I like what you said, Fred, Like
there is frustrating, as like these losses have been. There's
been so many losses in the last two years where
you just come out of it and you're like it's hopeless,
like they can't move.

Speaker 9 (19:25):
The ball, right.

Speaker 12 (19:25):
I don't have that feeling glimpses, And that's why, like
I do, I want to get back out. I'm motivated
to continue to ride with this team. It's just you
got to clean up the mistakes.

Speaker 9 (19:34):
That's what.

Speaker 10 (19:34):
Really.

Speaker 7 (19:34):
I had worse feelings about games last year without turnovers
than I did this game when it comes to the offense,
and you know, maybe it comes to the art.

Speaker 9 (19:42):
I know exactly what you're saying.

Speaker 4 (19:43):
Yeah, I mean, today is one of those you're gonna
kick yourself for not winning the game. But it's kind
of like, you know, in the middle of the week,
you might look back and you're like, we've gotten a
lot better because if we can find a way to
look at a game like that and have a chance
to win with all of the self inflicted wounds. And
I'm not taking all the I'm not taking the credit

(20:05):
away from Pittsburgh. They forced some of those turnovers. I'm
not trying to be like that that guy. But they
dominated this game for the better part of the last
three quarters and only have themselves to blame. I mean,
so that that's progress to me, that they could have,
to Fred's point, your minus four in the turnover ratio,
and you probably feel like you should have won the game.

Speaker 7 (20:25):
And two of the turnovers were in the end zone
right right right, yep? I mean you're literally giving away points.

Speaker 9 (20:32):
Points on the board. Yeah, points on the board.

Speaker 7 (20:34):
Did you guys and gals talk about what to do
about this running back situation? What do you do now?

Speaker 4 (20:42):
What do you do?

Speaker 9 (20:42):
Mike just had a nice dissertation. I don't know. My
question was what do we do? You know, what do
you do? I don't know what the answer is.

Speaker 12 (20:49):
The age old question of do you bench a guy
or you know, how do you get I mean, do
you make them carry a.

Speaker 9 (20:53):
Football around the facility?

Speaker 1 (20:54):
Like?

Speaker 4 (20:54):
What what's the answer? I go to Gibson next week.
I would go with the plan all week that Gibson's
going to be my future guy, and I would just
flip flo up the roles with him and Stevens. I'm
not telling you Stevenson should never play again, but you
got to do something.

Speaker 9 (21:09):
Different with Stevenson.

Speaker 12 (21:13):
That's just And I'd say Henderson had trouble picking up
pass protection stuff, which you know, welcome to the NFL.

Speaker 9 (21:20):
And we would think he's too small to run between
the tackles.

Speaker 12 (21:23):
Every runs and he just does not avoid contact. He
goes right into it. I liked it at first, but
as I watched more and more of it in games,
I just think this could be a hampering on his
potential because he's going to get hurt. Like the way
that he takes guys on it's you know, he's not
even trying to throw a move and get around guys,
so he needs to be no better in pass protection.

Speaker 9 (21:42):
We're not ready to throw it.

Speaker 12 (21:43):
I mean it kind of was all him in the
second quarter or in the second half there when they
went away.

Speaker 9 (21:48):
From both those guys for funneling.

Speaker 12 (21:49):
Oh yeah, I'm not sure what the what the answer
is you know next week. But again, it's just it's
frustrating because you still see the talent with Stevenson, and
you see what a good part of this defense he.

Speaker 4 (21:59):
Could be basically everything that we talked all off season.
They'll be better. The talent level is improved, we've seen
it through three games. They're still not there yet. I
mean they're one and two and they probably deserve.

Speaker 7 (22:10):
To be and and you know, Drake's not relying on
one guy in the past game, he's moving the ball around.
I still think he's not seeing the whole field at times,
But today.

Speaker 4 (22:20):
I think you're really right about that. Eleven eleven of
the targets to Hunter Henry and no one else had
more than five.

Speaker 9 (22:26):
Yeah, I mean you had what is it, one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight,
like eight guys with three catches and like thirty yards
is ish?

Speaker 12 (22:35):
You know, it's just it's there's well, there's just.

Speaker 9 (22:38):
Not a lot down field.

Speaker 7 (22:39):
Well that's the thing. They're all sure he's nickel.

Speaker 9 (22:41):
And diming teams and and you know, and there were
a few of these misses, like.

Speaker 4 (22:44):
Too many, like too many throws like that, like we're
getting calls like tomorrow Douglas needs to be benched like
he's That play might have been a touchdown.

Speaker 7 (22:52):
Yeah, yes, that play was.

Speaker 4 (22:54):
Perfectly designed by Josh McDaniels in the offensive staff. And
he has got all kinds of green grass over there.
You can't want hop that throw.

Speaker 10 (23:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (23:02):
Now, I would say though to that he was off.
That's the play where we were waiting to see get
him in space and see what he can do.

Speaker 9 (23:09):
Yeah, I mean, I'll I guess I'll save it if
we're going to do the good.

Speaker 6 (23:12):
We should probably get get right into the good bad
and you haven't even done that right now, It's time
for the good, pretty good.

Speaker 7 (23:23):
The bad, and the injured.

Speaker 4 (23:26):
Ah ah, you are right guy, all right.

Speaker 6 (23:33):
I imagine we'll spend a lot of time on the bad.
But let's start with some positivity. What would you all
say it was good on your list?

Speaker 12 (23:39):
I'm gonna throw a Hunter Henry up there first. U
two touchdowns ninety yards, Paul said at eleven targets. Nobody
else said, well, Douglas had five, but that was it.

Speaker 10 (23:48):
Uh.

Speaker 12 (23:49):
He just continues to produce no matter who the quarterback is.
He's like Jacobe Myers. Another strong season for him. I mean,
I just they gotta find some compliments to him and
some guys you can be a little bit more, are consistent,
but big moments got to have it plays Hunter Henry,
He's been there time and time again. Love the chemistry
he has with Drake and that's, you know, really something

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to build around for this offense going forward. They got
to find other options though, and that was you know,
one of the frustrations today is just they really weren't today.
But Hunter Henry great game for him two touchdowns, He's
for sure on the list.

Speaker 4 (24:22):
Yeah, I would absolutely second that one. I'm going to
go like the defense in general. I thought the front seven,
in particular, the run fits early were a problem, and
then all of a sudden the Steelers couldn't do a thing.
Jalen Warren and you know, to a lesser extent, Kenneth Gainwell.
But you know, eighteen carries forty seven yards for Warren,

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that's you know, two point six carry. That's a lot
of carries for two point six yards. So I thought
Milton Williams again was active upfront. I thought they made
a subtle change.

Speaker 7 (24:56):
Mike.

Speaker 4 (24:57):
You pointed out to me, you know, less Christian Ellis
little bit of Jack Gibbons. I think that might have
helped a little bit, so that front seven. I don't
know exactly who to credit specifically. I thought Kyle Duggar
was pretty active in this game. The tackling around the
line of scrimmage was better. The physicality in the second
like the second two quarters, the second and third quarters,

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the physicality was noticeable. So I thought defensively they came
to play. Yeah, yeah, there's a number of players. It
wasn't perfect but they came to play a number.

Speaker 12 (25:26):
Of players with the one play positive kind of thing,
like Aaron Landry.

Speaker 9 (25:29):
Had a couple of plays.

Speaker 10 (25:30):
I don't know.

Speaker 9 (25:30):
If I necessarily had him on the I would put
Tong in that category.

Speaker 4 (25:34):
Came in, he didn't start that first drive, and then
all of a sudden he came in and.

Speaker 12 (25:38):
He's been one of the of this team this year
and giving them another, you know option. But there were
a lot of a lot of different guys making individual
plays both sides of the ball, and maybe not quite
enough to have an.

Speaker 9 (25:49):
Overwhelming list of goods. I know, Fred, you got anybody.

Speaker 6 (25:55):
So for good? I mean, well, okay, they're gonna you
guys gonna hate me for this. The first thing I
wrote on the list was the uniforms looked really good.

Speaker 7 (26:02):
Okay, it was running out of it before advantage Patriots
when it comes.

Speaker 6 (26:09):
Yeah, No, but I did write I did put down
Roberts plane and I know, like you know, he's still
figuring his his offensive sparks out as well. But that
explay on Rogers getting that pick in the end zone,
I think was kind of an outbreak that we needed
to see. And again, it's just trying to pull some
positivity out of it. Everyone has a lot of work

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to do, but I was impressed.

Speaker 9 (26:30):
I would say Splaine was a little bit a little.

Speaker 4 (26:34):
I don't think he played great, yeah that's but I
do think he was a little bit more noticeable today.

Speaker 12 (26:39):
Yeah, yeah, got credit with tackles.

Speaker 7 (26:42):
That's what we expect that I thought.

Speaker 4 (26:44):
I thought a handful of them were like jumping on
and getting dragged for five yards.

Speaker 1 (26:48):
But.

Speaker 7 (26:50):
Hard greater.

Speaker 4 (26:51):
Well. I also, last drive of the game, you need
to stop and guy cut right by him for a
fifteen yard screen. Warren didn't even get a hand on him.
But he was better in this game. I do think
that was a positive step for its playing. He would
be on my good list too. Absolutely.

Speaker 9 (27:07):
I can be critical and still think he played better.
All right, I still think he played better.

Speaker 12 (27:12):
I mean that's the thing with the good the bad
this year is there's a lot of guys who are
kind of a team like up and down.

Speaker 9 (27:17):
Like yeah, he had like two interceptions, but he also
fumbled it three times.

Speaker 4 (27:21):
I'll give you another guy that I thought was fairly
active in this game with some difficult matchups is Mapu.
I thought on the tight ends, that's the way the
Steelers want to play, and they really did not have
much of an impact on this game. Friday moveth one
catch for six yards and Jono Smith three for twenty
three in a fumble. So I think Map who was

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involved in some of that he played in I don't
know anecdotally. I felt like he played more snaps in
this game than we've seen him, so I had him
on my good list.

Speaker 7 (27:52):
Yeah, I had a shout out to the coordinators today
on my good list, both offense and defense.

Speaker 9 (27:58):
That's a really good one. Especially offensive. They had a
lot of good stuff.

Speaker 7 (28:02):
Yeah, I think Josh dialed up some really good plays.
It's real big moments. That scene passed to Hunter Henry
for the touchdown was a great play call with them too. Yep.
And then you know Zach Kerr or car or a
corps that core. I think good adjustments after the first
two drives. And you know, you're not seeing any operational

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problems on defense. Twelve men on the field. How many
times have we seen that over the last couple of years, right,
We're not seeing that, So yeah, shout out to the coordinators.

Speaker 9 (28:36):
I love that, Fred.

Speaker 12 (28:37):
I mean, I just while I was sitting there watching
the game, I was thinking to myself and like, I
love Josh McDaniels having them back, like it's there, it's
there if Drake can pick it up and get locked
in on this and stop making the mistakes. I mean,
we all saw that last fumble comment where you're like, oh, no, no.

Speaker 9 (28:51):
You know, but the players are there. Josh knows what
he's doing. He's scheming things up and it's gonna come.

Speaker 7 (28:57):
That's I think this team right now as a whole
like my kid, like the whole team as as my kid,
and I'm saying to my kid, you can do this.

Speaker 4 (29:09):
Come on, We're gonna do this.

Speaker 12 (29:11):
Literally, yeah, just stop giving the other team, the other idiot.

Speaker 6 (29:15):
What you needed to work on last week. All right,
thank you, guys, are ready to go to the bed.

Speaker 9 (29:19):
Then I think usually has some new ones.

Speaker 4 (29:22):
No, I mean yeah, no, that was that was really
all I thought. All individual plays from that point. I had,
like some of the receivers because they had they had
all of those, like they had a third and sixteen.

Speaker 9 (29:34):
I think that Booty had like individual place, but not enough.

Speaker 6 (29:38):
To really good. All right, let's talk bad.

Speaker 12 (29:41):
Oh well, you know we talked about I just I'm
gonna jump in with Alex Austin, who had just a
couple of killer penalties early.

Speaker 9 (29:51):
You had the the.

Speaker 12 (29:53):
One in the end zone there that on third and
goal where it looked like they were going to leave
maybe maybe.

Speaker 9 (29:56):
Forced a punt. I don't know, they might have gone
for it.

Speaker 12 (29:58):
And then on the next drive you had a whole
old again offsetting that Milton Williams sack. Alex Austin then
earned himself a place on the bench. He was replaced
by Charles Woods, a ka Chucky Trees as we haul him,
and so I think this was a continuation a little bit.

Speaker 9 (30:14):
Last week.

Speaker 12 (30:15):
Alex Austin had some struggles and it's a you know,
it's just when you see a guy get pulled off
the field and not play, it kind of confirms that,
all right, they're not happy with how he's playing right now.

Speaker 9 (30:25):
Sometimes penalty's gonna happen, those kind of things.

Speaker 7 (30:27):
But that call on Austin was ras was the first one.
The one on the sideline where Rogers threw over both
of them, that was a crap call.

Speaker 4 (30:36):
That wasn't on him. That that was Davison. The one
that you're talking about was Carlton Davis on metcalf on.

Speaker 7 (30:43):
The one where I was like, yes, okay, that was
Carlton Davis, that the call was.

Speaker 4 (30:48):
The one on but the ones on Austin weren't. But
to Mike's point, well, he reaching he turned.

Speaker 7 (30:54):
I know he turned him a little, but because Fred.

Speaker 4 (30:59):
And I were like having a whole side show. Like
the officiating today far too involved in the game.

Speaker 6 (31:04):
We need another show during the game with YouTube.

Speaker 7 (31:06):
Oh yeah, no rated.

Speaker 4 (31:09):
I like Mike's Alex Austin to watch this, so both,
but this is Carlton Davis.

Speaker 7 (31:15):
This is not who's pushing who. Nobody is out of bounds.

Speaker 4 (31:20):
Well, but forget forget that, We'll forget where the pass is.
I don't think I don't think it's necessarily interference. I'm
with Fred on this, but not because the ball's uncatchable.
Well either one like the ball is the ball is catchable.
There's no if there's no contact, he can catch Look at.

Speaker 7 (31:36):
Look at the shadow of the ball where I don't
care where it looks.

Speaker 9 (31:39):
You can catch it before it lands there.

Speaker 7 (31:41):
It's not even.

Speaker 4 (31:42):
It's it's you.

Speaker 9 (31:44):
Can run and catch it.

Speaker 7 (31:45):
You can't. Only at giraffe would have been able to
catch Okay, it was five years out of bounds.

Speaker 4 (31:51):
Like would you would you have said, like like those
one handed catches that you see people have, would you
have said that that was catchable? Anyone was anyway, I
don't think it was a big I agree with you
on the call.

Speaker 9 (32:03):
I agree with you on the call. Just no on
that it was uncatchable.

Speaker 7 (32:05):
I I mean.

Speaker 4 (32:07):
Obviously the the turnovers.

Speaker 1 (32:11):
You know.

Speaker 4 (32:13):
I'm gonna put I'm gonna single out Drake May not
because you, like we talked about Stevenson.

Speaker 9 (32:18):
I think we all have him on the bad list.

Speaker 4 (32:20):
Okay, but Drake May Mike is really big on this.
I'm going to steal a little Mike's thunder. There were
times that he really heated up in this game, and
he looked comfortable, and then he just inexplicably spraysed these throws.
He was probably lucky he didn't throw two or three
interceptions today. He had two flat out dropped. Then he
throws one in the end zone. I know it was

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tipped everybody. I don't think it was a good throw.
I think that needed to have a little bit of
touch on that throw. He tried to sort of jam
it in there and it got hit up the line by.
I think Casey Hayward is right, but I'm sorry Cam Heyward.
Then at the end, you get plenty of time, you
get two and a half minutes. It's a seven point game.

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Your job is to bring your team down the field
and getting scoring position. You miss a throw to a
wide open to Mario Douglas, and it's probably Douglas's fault
that he didn't get the first down in the last play.

Speaker 9 (33:14):
But I don't think he could.

Speaker 7 (33:14):
Throw it there.

Speaker 9 (33:16):
I didn't think he I didn't think he felt the
rush very well.

Speaker 4 (33:18):
Today. The fumble in the fourth quarter was another example
of him trying to do too much. He looked like
he was trying to shuffle that ball forward. He was
trying to do something to play every play like it's
the school yard, you know, And I know Josh Allen
did one of those last week Thursday night. You know,
he just sort of rolled out and he shuffled it

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and it looks great, and everybody gets all excited. When
you were in the league five years and you have
that kind of production that Josh Allen has and then
you throw a pick on one of those, I'll say, well,
but you know what, that's you.

Speaker 9 (33:49):
Got to take some of that. We don't get the plays.

Speaker 4 (33:54):
So Drake May is on my bad Listen, I was
going to say, and he had a good game, yeah overall,
but the mistakes are just too costs.

Speaker 7 (34:02):
Are you allowed to have someone on the good list
and the bad list?

Speaker 9 (34:05):
Yeah, Mike and Mike and Mike and I have allowed it. Yea,
Drake Mays, it's too much of that act.

Speaker 4 (34:12):
The twenty eight to thirty seven, two sixty eight, two
touchdowns and a pick, you know, one o two point
one rating looks great, but when the game was on
the line, he didn't look great.

Speaker 12 (34:22):
It's a good call out, Paul, like I would hope
that performance like this is something you felt kind of
like early years Josh Allen of like man if our
wild horse. We can just tame him a little bit,
you know, we can get him locked in. And you know,
for me, it goes back to Josh's offense too, where
hopefully Drake is watching this being like it's there, it's there,
like you know it's there if I can walk in

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and get a good start, and you know, Paul hinted
at it. I wanted to see Drake this year be
able to finish games and you know, had an opportunity
for at least a game trying tying drive at the end,
and you know, not yet, not yet with him, But
you know, I am a little encouraged, like I think
Fred is.

Speaker 9 (34:59):
You want to get back out there right now.

Speaker 12 (35:00):
You're starting to see some growth. They just got to
clean up the mistakes. Agree starts with Drake Man.

Speaker 6 (35:04):
Drake is on my good and bad list for the
same reason. It's like one thing I really appreciated today.
You see how he really does move the game with
his legs when a decision has to be made. He's
more confident, it seems. But to your point, what frustrating me.
Despite more plays, more yardage, and more first downs in
this game, they still finished with just fourteen points. So
it's just like you're improving in theory on paper, but

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what we're seeing is not exactly where they want to be.

Speaker 7 (35:29):
Like we said before, you know, two turnovers in the
end zone will keep the score down every time, exactly.
And to what you said, though, I agree, like the
confidence that he's one of the broadcasters said it after
one of his runs is like he really makes that
look easy, you know, running away from the defense. It
does look effortless, effortless, whatever it.

Speaker 6 (35:49):
Doesn't efforts as a sophomore.

Speaker 7 (35:52):
Yeah, I know he did.

Speaker 4 (35:54):
It was a couple that he had today and one
of them was TJ. Watt, who is athletic enough to
run quarterbacks down. I still don't know what he was
mad about.

Speaker 7 (36:01):
I'm I guess that's well if you were on the
skinless chicken like he is.

Speaker 9 (36:08):
I saw him before the game. He was he was
definitely eating some skinless chicken.

Speaker 14 (36:11):
Uh.

Speaker 9 (36:12):
But I mean, I they've got some talent.

Speaker 12 (36:14):
I just I'm not used to watching a mobile quarterback
because there are a couple of times when I'm like,
oh all right, oh wait right. He can run like
and he does that little, that little hurdle step to
get away from guys. But it's two quality. But he's
got to win from the pocket and he's got to
know when to go down when the play is over,
get down, live to fight another day. Underrated skill of
Tom Brady, and that's got something he's got to work

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into his game.

Speaker 7 (36:36):
Bred you got something well, I mean, like I said,
Drake's on both lists for me. But when you talk
about bad, you know you have to start with Remandre.
You just can't do what he's doing, you know, uh,
after having done it so often in the past and
he's still doing it. I don't know what the answer is.

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That's why I asked before, what do you do? If
you're Mike Verbel, what do you do? And then your
guy that you bring in to back them up, Gibson
does the same thing.

Speaker 12 (37:07):
I mean, especially after you have your first fumble, and
now you would think, all right, I've gotten a show
of support from the coaching staff. They put me back
out there, and now with the ball in your hands
going into the end.

Speaker 4 (37:18):
That's a weak fumbles a week. That's a really weak fumble.
That's a hand on his hand and the ball comes loose.
Like I said, the one that gives it. And I'm
not excusing any fumbles, but the one that gives in
Pepper's put his helmet right on the football, knocked it loose.
I'm not saying, oh good job, Antonio, you lost the ball. No,
but that fumble, that's that cannot happen. That fumble can't happen.

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That was not hard contact on the football.

Speaker 6 (37:42):
So does you mentioned building trust? How does one build trust?
Is it practice?

Speaker 12 (37:47):
You're back down to the bottom now you know, as
a as a defenseman hockey, you made some mistakes and
then we get benched, and you know, I just emptied
out the trust bucket and now it's time to start
filling it again.

Speaker 9 (37:57):
It felt like he emptied it. I just made that up.
Does that work? But he had the trust bucket.

Speaker 12 (38:02):
There was a little it was looked like there was
a leak in it when we saw that in stadium
practice here earlier this summer, and that was in a
meaningless scrimmage between the two teams, and everyone's like, oh no,
and now this happened. So I really, I mean Fred's
asking the question.

Speaker 9 (38:14):
I don't know. I mean we asked this all last year.
What's the answer?

Speaker 7 (38:17):
Yeah, in the trust conf but you guys haven't heard
it yet. But one of the first questions was, you know,
lessons learned here? And Rabel cut off the questioner and said,
this is no lessons learned. You know, we know what
the lesson is before the game started, you can't turn
the ball over five. But what is the messaging now
that Rabel gets to his team, Not the lesson, but

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what message does he give in terms of playing time?

Speaker 10 (38:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 12 (38:44):
Well, I would just start with saying I felt last
week like Rabel was kind of edgy, and I thought
that was interesting because it felt like, coming off a
big win, that he wanted to make sure his team
stayed focused, and then he stayed on top of them.

Speaker 9 (38:58):
And maybe this.

Speaker 12 (38:59):
Week is a week to maybe be a little bit
more encouraging and say, look, guys, we just clean up
these penalties. We're going to be a pretty good team.
So let's take that first step. I mean, it's it's
an easy thing to focus on. It's hard when we've
come out of those losses the last couple of years
and been like where do you start? Where do you start?
The offense can't move the ball, the defense can't stop
the run, they're getting beat for big plays. It's just
it's hard to know even where to begin. At least

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this team has a place to begin when they're trying
to fix these mistakes, and maybe that works.

Speaker 11 (39:24):
Point.

Speaker 6 (39:25):
Do you think there was an added layer of focus
when you look at week one and two?

Speaker 12 (39:29):
Well, I mean today not really, because they came out slow,
you know, and that's really what.

Speaker 9 (39:34):
You're looking for.

Speaker 12 (39:35):
I think when you get into a game, then it
can kind of change depending on how it unfolds. But
when you come out flat, especially on defense, and it
looks like they're just chunk plays right down the field
those first couple drives, and I mean they should have
been a three and out.

Speaker 9 (39:48):
They got help with a penalty, but then they turned.

Speaker 7 (39:50):
Them all over.

Speaker 9 (39:51):
So it all happens fast. But we'll see if Abel
changes the approach this week.

Speaker 4 (39:56):
Yeah, it's a good call on the Rabel's edginess too.
I think I think that was why. And he definitely
had an edge this week in the press conferences. He
was probably trying to stay on top of his team
that hasn't been used to winning. You've done nothing, You've
won one game, and to you a point, Mike, they did.
They came out a little bit flat and all of
a sudden they got punched in the mouth down fourteen
nothing before they responded.

Speaker 7 (40:16):
Well, Maddy, no socks. I know you're listening. I want
to see some good cuts on that Verable press conference
because you want to talk about edgy.

Speaker 9 (40:24):
I oh, he was edgy in the post game too.

Speaker 7 (40:27):
I mean, not at the meat, at the media. He
was just upset.

Speaker 4 (40:30):
No, yeah, yeah, I don't think he was edgy necessarily
at the media. During the week either he just had.

Speaker 9 (40:34):
An edge to it, right, Can I have an ege?
For second? You can have an edge? Can I put
the stupid terrible towels on the down?

Speaker 6 (40:40):
Oh my god, wait, I literally wrote I wrote too
many terrible towels.

Speaker 9 (40:44):
I said it before.

Speaker 12 (40:45):
This team has the worst record at home since twenty
twenty two.

Speaker 9 (40:48):
Now you're getting invaded by Steelers fans. I don't know
about you, guys.

Speaker 12 (40:51):
I've never looked around the stadium like that, and it
was all around the bowl like this team has to
figure out how to win here and how to play
their best football, and they came out slow, didn't point.

Speaker 4 (41:02):
You want to make a big deal out of returning
a kick for a touchdown in Miami last week and
listening to the crowd roar. Go back and listen to
the crowd roar at Calvin Austin's touchdown in the fourth quarter.

Speaker 6 (41:13):
You would think it was a home game for them.

Speaker 7 (41:14):
Yeah, they were well represented, but you know, Stealer fans
travel well.

Speaker 4 (41:18):
They do.

Speaker 7 (41:19):
Yeah, they have a very I wanted.

Speaker 12 (41:21):
Them crying into those towels, though not waving them today.

Speaker 4 (41:25):
You know, walking through the tailgate, I saw a lot,
a lot of terrible towels.

Speaker 12 (41:33):
Just that that's one of the biggest things that this
this step this team needs to try to find a
way to make this year is to win some games
at home against good teams and show up here because
it feels like lately they played better on the road.

Speaker 9 (41:46):
Than they play at home, and I can't explain it.

Speaker 6 (41:48):
And I also don't understand the booze. I understand. I
understand the frustration of fans when your team isn't doing well,
but I can't wrap my head around why there are
boozs at Jillette Stadium when it's still your.

Speaker 9 (42:00):
I'll tell you why they have the worst record at.

Speaker 4 (42:02):
Home football today.

Speaker 6 (42:07):
That fan for a reason.

Speaker 9 (42:11):
But you know, they probably have some drinks.

Speaker 7 (42:13):
I hear what you're saying. But I think this fan
base is at the point now where they feel they
need to express how they're feeling and maybe that will
actually help you know. Maybe that's wrong in thinking that,
but I do believe that's a sort of feeling as

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a whole that they have is we need to let
you know that we are pissed, and maybe that'll help you. Actually,
it will motivate me.

Speaker 9 (42:45):
Yeah, I'm gonna go the offensive line last week.

Speaker 4 (42:50):
Got a lot of accolades for the performance in Miami.

Speaker 7 (42:55):
Not today.

Speaker 9 (42:56):
Not today.

Speaker 4 (42:58):
Couldn't run the ball against a team that's suposedly can't
stop the run. So everybody told me for two weeks
Steelers can't stop the run. They ended up with twenty
This is excluding many scrambles, which very few of his
seven carries today were by desire. It was a quarterback
sneak in there, but they were all scrambles. They weren't
zone reads. Twenty two carries for seventy four yards. It's

(43:18):
three point six a carry, three point five four a carry.

Speaker 7 (43:21):
Fish. What happened?

Speaker 9 (43:22):
What really bad?

Speaker 7 (43:23):
What happened in the second half? Though? How many times
did they because don't you think that some of the
fumbles by the running backs skew those numbers like they
kind of shied away from it a little bit.

Speaker 4 (43:35):
No, I'm just saying that they ran the ball twenty
two times for seventy four yards.

Speaker 7 (43:39):
That's terrible. I know, it is a terrible run, deeal,
That's what I'm saying. I think if they had My
point is, I think if they had kept at it,
it would have been better.

Speaker 4 (43:46):
No times you want to run.

Speaker 9 (43:47):
They ran the ball twenty nine times.

Speaker 7 (43:48):
Yeah, I think I think it would have been better
in the second half if they hadn't been fumbled.

Speaker 9 (43:54):
I think they ran it too much.

Speaker 4 (43:55):
I think they put themselves behind the chains by running, running, running,
and the only time I wanted to run, Ironically, they
ended up fumbling into the end zone. But I wanted
to on the the last possession of the first half,
they got the off side that put the ball from
like the five to the the to like the two
two and a half, and you had you had all
three downs and they went throw throw pick. I would

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have run it on one of the first two downs
down there.

Speaker 7 (44:21):
Now.

Speaker 4 (44:21):
Ironically, the next time they were down there from Andre
fumbled into the end zone. But even more so than
the run the Steelers were all over Drake made today.
I mean, I thought they had immediate and constant pressure
throughout the game. Five sacks doesn't even begin to count
how many may avoided by running around her.

Speaker 9 (44:41):
Big TJ.

Speaker 4 (44:43):
Watt were constant threats off the edges, both edges. I
thought the tackles really struggled today. I thought they looked
like they struggled with some of the stunts that they
had early on Cam Hayward I think was involved in
some of those. So I thought it was a real
step forward for the offensive line last week. Maybe today
was litle bit more of the growing paints because five
sacks and averaging well under four yards to carry.

Speaker 7 (45:06):
See, I thought early on, yeah, Greg had time.

Speaker 4 (45:09):
I thought he had time on one play at third
and sixteen that he completed to booty, which he had
all day on. But I thought he had flashing his
like off the edge pretty much on the vast majority
of his dropback.

Speaker 12 (45:23):
Next gen stats with back you up, Paul, it has
Pittsburgh with a forty point four percent.

Speaker 9 (45:28):
I'm not surprised by that number at all.

Speaker 7 (45:29):
How long did it take him to throw? Did they
have that?

Speaker 9 (45:33):
Hope? Please?

Speaker 12 (45:35):
I probably had to dive a little deeper in this.
I'll see if I can average time to throw. Yes,
Steelers two point four to five, Patriots two point sixty five.

Speaker 9 (45:43):
So he just to have a little longer. But that's
maybe May buying a little time with his legs. Oh yeah,
scrambles and stuff.

Speaker 4 (45:48):
He was running around. I mean he actually navigated the pocket.
I thought, really well today he ran around and moved
and bought time and whatnot. But the offensive line was
not great today.

Speaker 12 (45:58):
Yeah, and they and they mostly played uh zone coverage.
They did mix into some significant man coverage, but yeah,
that's Pittsburgh and Patriots too.

Speaker 9 (46:06):
Patriots played mostly zone as well. Do you guys have
other stuff?

Speaker 6 (46:11):
Peppers to the bad just because it's still sore?

Speaker 9 (46:18):
Yeah, to be excited.

Speaker 6 (46:20):
It's bad for people.

Speaker 7 (46:21):
That's that's not a bad list, that's your hateless.

Speaker 6 (46:24):
No, no jersey kid, I couldn't need them.

Speaker 9 (46:27):
But I also just did chime in real quick.

Speaker 12 (46:29):
The next gen has the Patriots with fourteen missed tackles.

Speaker 7 (46:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (46:32):
I thought there was a lot of stuff that we've
seen in the first two weeks, but their run defense
was really good today. I thought, after that shaky start,
I actually put early run fits on my bad list,
but then that kind of went away.

Speaker 7 (46:45):
Yeah, so that's why I didn't mention it. You mentioned physicality.
I thought they were.

Speaker 9 (46:49):
They were more physical today than they were in the
first two weeks.

Speaker 7 (46:51):
I agree.

Speaker 4 (46:53):
Did you guys have a what do you guys think
of fourth and fourth and one from your own fifteen?

Speaker 9 (46:59):
That was interesting.

Speaker 7 (47:00):
I was thinking about you because again, don't judge by
the results, don't judge by results.

Speaker 9 (47:08):
What'd you think of that call? And be honest, I
gotta be honest.

Speaker 12 (47:12):
It terrified me, I know, but what was in my
head was like, we can't keep giving it back to them.

Speaker 9 (47:18):
We're giving him too many chances. But I don't know
what I do aggressive.

Speaker 4 (47:20):
I don't know what I disliked more going for fourth
and one from my own fifteen or the play call
which pitched it back and forced Stevenson to break like
three tackles. That was probably his best play of the game.
He ended up running ten yards on that play, but
he made guys miss he broke through a tackle. I
just thought that was a really really aggressive, needless, needlessly

(47:41):
aggressive call.

Speaker 6 (47:41):
I liked it just because it no, No, I liked
it from the beginning though. But yeah, you're right.

Speaker 12 (47:47):
But I mean, I'm sure Rabel gets asked about it.
I would, I would assume, and I'd love to hear
his explanation. I just I don't think I've ever really
seen anything like that.

Speaker 9 (47:56):
And that's a good run by Remandra.

Speaker 7 (47:58):
I mean, I know.

Speaker 9 (48:01):
What, and he drags five like that's a good run.
That was a harder and ten yards.

Speaker 4 (48:07):
I mean, he could have easily been a four loss
if he doesn't stick his foot in the ground and
make fifty five miss easily.

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Speaker 6 (52:23):
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legacy as well. So let's just get into some of
the points looking at this game where at week three,
obviously small sample size, but what are some things that

(53:06):
the Patriots should be doing to start building?

Speaker 4 (53:08):
Yeah?

Speaker 12 (53:08):
I can, well, I would, I would try to build
off those defensive adjustments they made, and you know, after
those first two drives, whatever they did, whatever the special
sauce was, if they can play like that, you know
you might have something there. Some schematic adjustments out. Austin
came out and mentioned that also, linebacker Christian Ellis came out,
was replaced by Jack Gibbons. Those are two personnel moves.

(53:30):
Not sure exactly. We got to grind the film pall
as they say.

Speaker 9 (53:34):
Twenty two. I have no idea what I'm looking at,
but I'll pretend I do.

Speaker 12 (53:39):
But whatever they did, I think that was a really
solid stretch and run for that defense. And if they
can find that thread and continue to play like that,
find some finish start, well, I think signs.

Speaker 4 (53:50):
Of life on defense. I agree that's a building block.
That's really the first stretch of the season that I
thought they'd played good defense.

Speaker 12 (53:58):
Yeah, and what happens when you get Christian Zalez back,
I mean, you know that's going to be a boost
for this team. Helps with the coverage, you know, maybe
it allows you to play Alex Austin a little bit
more in the slot.

Speaker 9 (54:08):
Maybe he's better suited to that.

Speaker 12 (54:09):
So hopefully things are on the upswing to try to
stop those thirty points score on Carolina Panthers.

Speaker 9 (54:14):
Doesn't look like it was a lot of Brice Young
though he didn't he didn't do great, but hey, they
scored some points.

Speaker 6 (54:20):
Though I would add for my point, just the every
week I've written down roller coaster because I can't think
of a better description. So take fans off of that
emotional roller coaster and be inconsistent, of course, both on
offense and defense. I know there's a long journey to that,
but that's how you build a legacy when people aren't saying, oh,
it's a close game, but do I even believe in

(54:40):
this team to be able to win it?

Speaker 7 (54:42):
Yeah, maybe we get off the roller coaster and we
get on the Mad Hatter's tea cups. I like it.
You know, baby step, baby step.

Speaker 9 (54:49):
Those things just spin around. I'm like, it's like, this
is a ride you make people sick.

Speaker 12 (54:55):
A chill ride unless you have like your older sibling
like trying to make it go super fast.

Speaker 6 (55:02):
Anymore building points. Now, all right, let's get into some
post games sound with our.

Speaker 7 (55:06):
Guy, Matt.

Speaker 3 (55:07):
You have certainly a frustrated Patriots team that met the
music today but kudos to those who did meet the music.
And we'll kick things off with the head coach, Mike
Rabelay that okay.

Speaker 18 (55:22):
I think that the turnovers are much more critical than
the penalties, much more critical. You know, ball security comes
down to technique, It comes down to other people protecting
the guy with the paul, second guy in. Those are
all things that we continue to talk about, have talked.

Speaker 10 (55:42):
About, and we'll talk about. And decision making.

Speaker 18 (55:45):
This decision making when you have the football in your hand,
whether that's a quarterback, whether that's a player that's reaching
it and it gets knocked out.

Speaker 10 (55:54):
So we'll watch the tape.

Speaker 18 (55:55):
And we'll clearly address the ball security and we got
to move on, fix it and move on. And every
time I felt like we were gonna take the momentum
and be able to score and move forward in the game.
And you know, the defense did a great job there.
Unfortunately they just got to be one too many opportunities

(56:18):
on their part.

Speaker 12 (56:19):
A quick post game feeling about Drake and what you
saw today, you know a lot of yeah.

Speaker 18 (56:25):
A lot of good and unfortunately some some decisions that
have to be better. I'm sure we'll have to protect
them better and just understanding that you don't have to
win it all on one play. There's opportunities to move
on and save the day the next play, and that
just can't put the ball in harm's way at that position.

(56:47):
But he you know, certainly Drake wasn't going. But there's
a lot of really good things in there. It's ability
to extend plays, scramble, pick up first downs for us,
run multiple plays inside.

Speaker 10 (56:59):
The pocket, outside the pocket.

Speaker 18 (57:00):
So there's there's a lot of good things in there,
and just some decision making that we need to have
be better for us and for himself.

Speaker 7 (57:09):
Mike, how do you handle Ramandra Stevenson with two fumbles?

Speaker 10 (57:12):
Yeah, you know what I mean.

Speaker 18 (57:13):
It's psychy sit there, and we were so excited about him,
and everybody's excited about him, the fans are, and we
know what his capabilities are. You know, we got to
get him back. We need him, We absolutely need him.
You see what he was able to do for us
last week, his ability to make some plays, and you know,
again we'll just have to look at the technique, we'll

(57:34):
have to look at the ball security, but we're gonna
need him. We need his ability, but we also need
to take care of football. So it's a long answer
to tell you that I'm not really sure twenty minutes
after the game what we're gonna do. But we need
him because we won. He helped us win the game
last week, and it was a different story today.

Speaker 6 (57:57):
I want to go back to what Rabel said at
the beginning to overs are much more crucial than penalties
in general football terms. Yes, that's obvious, but do you
guys agree in this game the penalty Obviously, the penalties
were less than today last week's.

Speaker 3 (58:12):
I think today, I think he was swat on the
money right there. I mean, what did they have seven
accepted penalties today?

Speaker 9 (58:17):
Penalties?

Speaker 4 (58:18):
And they were important penalties in the first half. But
obviously you lose the game because you turned ball over
five times. Yeah, I mean, I think part of that
is something we talked about during the week Fred where
he has his back up about that, like, don't worry
about penalties because the team that has more penalties that's
not necessarily an indicator of winning or losing. Remember how

(58:38):
he made a big deal of that, So that was
him smacking the edge, like smacking the media around you
guys fixated on the penalties, But that doesn't really matter.
You know, obviously today you turn the ball over five times,
we're going to talk about We could talk for two hours.

Speaker 9 (58:52):
That's the game exactly. You turned the ball over five times,
you're going to lose.

Speaker 4 (58:55):
They were the better team today, but they kept shooting
themselves in the foot.

Speaker 7 (58:59):
To use that question by Roachie where he cut Roachie off,
he says, there's no lessons to be taught here.

Speaker 9 (59:06):
Am I?

Speaker 7 (59:07):
I didn't.

Speaker 3 (59:07):
I didn't think that that was indicative of how he
really felt.

Speaker 9 (59:10):
I didn't. I like Dan a lot.

Speaker 3 (59:13):
I mean, I think he which a lot of coaches do.
They jump on the wording of what a guy says.
There is no lessons to be learned here. It's obvious
we turned the ball over five times. My opinion, I didn't,
And I don't think that he was testy. I think
he was frustrated, and I think you weard the real
him when he goes he's in a gym. As far
as Stevenson is concerned, you're asking what we are going

(59:35):
to do. We need this guy, but we can't put
him on the field. He's gonna give the ball.

Speaker 7 (59:39):
So what did everyone think about that answer?

Speaker 4 (59:41):
I thought that was testy. Yeah, you know.

Speaker 9 (59:44):
Like, it's twenty minutes after the game. I don't know
what I'm gonna do.

Speaker 7 (59:46):
Like, he's pissed.

Speaker 9 (59:48):
Yeah, they just dropped the They just dropped a game, right, Like,
I don't blame him one bit.

Speaker 7 (59:52):
He should be pissed. You're asking me for answers. I
don't have it right.

Speaker 4 (59:56):
I can't carry it into the end zone for him.

Speaker 6 (59:58):
He dropped it twice, right, right, But he did the
right coach thing of saying we need him and oh yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:00:03):
I don't think it was testing.

Speaker 4 (01:00:04):
Yeah, come on, how can that not be testing? Like,
he's got to be pissed, and I.

Speaker 3 (01:00:10):
Think other coaches would have shown in it in a
different way than he should.

Speaker 9 (01:00:12):
It's twenty minutes after the game.

Speaker 4 (01:00:14):
I don't know what we're gonna do, right, Like, I
don't know what else he could have said other than
he's never gonna play for me again.

Speaker 7 (01:00:22):
Now, if you're a player on that team, if you're
a teammate of Vermandre, and you're a player who is
being coached by Mike Rabel, what do you think about
that answer?

Speaker 9 (01:00:31):
I think it's very honest. Yeah, I don't have any
problem with that answer.

Speaker 7 (01:00:35):
Yeah, No, I agree. I don't like if I'm a player,
he says.

Speaker 9 (01:00:39):
The NFL.

Speaker 4 (01:00:40):
It's not like a high school kid.

Speaker 7 (01:00:42):
He needs us, he needs us, He just needs us
to not screw up exactly.

Speaker 9 (01:00:46):
Yeah, yeah, no, I have I have no problem with Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:00:50):
And if very boy's proven that he's a no nonsense coach,
if he needs to call something out.

Speaker 3 (01:00:55):
I'm sure he will be calling that out the week.
So that was the Mike Rabel portion the post game.
Now let's listen to the players. We're Remondre Stevens is
not first. But what Remondre Strements is asked about, like comments.

Speaker 10 (01:01:10):
It hurts, you know, I think one of those things
that yeah, it just kept like you kept piling on.
And I think.

Speaker 19 (01:01:18):
Big Morgan moses about the team together, about the offense together,
and we went back and we scored a hit hunt
and then you haven't.

Speaker 10 (01:01:26):
Got the ball back tied, and yeah, just a costed us.
So it hurts. I think it hurts. I think, uh,
something to learn from she was a long season.

Speaker 19 (01:01:35):
Defense played their butts off, and the guys in the
locker room are playing hard, they're fighting hard, so you
know it's tough, and the stings and uh, you know,
just know, we heard ourselves and that's what will cost
it us.

Speaker 7 (01:01:47):
Trabel was in there talking about when we need you
that it was the words, how do you feel about that?

Speaker 9 (01:01:54):
I appreciate it, but I got a hold on the
ball for the you know, to have value, and you
would put value.

Speaker 7 (01:02:00):
On this team.

Speaker 10 (01:02:01):
So if I can't help the ball, they don't need me.

Speaker 19 (01:02:04):
He's one of our best players. You know, I think
there's nothing that there's nothing that you know, I think
he can do that you will change my view. You know,
him as a player, as a teammate, does everything the
right way. He knows just as much as you know,
we know your ball security Number one things is a
running back and he was had a great season and
great last week and that's the that's this league. You know,
one week here, you know, a heck of a game

(01:02:26):
and he was on the right track this game and
you know that happens. So I think he uh, you know,
he knows just so much as anybody else. So just
pump him up and be there for him. And uh,
you know, we know we need him throughout the season.
I know it sounds a cliche.

Speaker 16 (01:02:37):
I know it's not what you want to hear, but
This is a long season and continual improvements the only
thing that's going to get us to where we want
to be.

Speaker 6 (01:02:47):
Appreciate. Stevenson didn't flinch out the question, and I had
to write it down. I have to hold onto the
ball to add value to this team. The accountability is there.

Speaker 9 (01:02:58):
Magic.

Speaker 6 (01:02:58):
Yeah, it can't change the results of the game, but
you can behind.

Speaker 7 (01:03:03):
What you did. And when Drake was talking, I wrote
down you know, he said it hurts, and I'm thinking
to myself, good, yeah, feel that pain. Remember that pain
next week. Don't don't let it happen again. Like, remember
how much that hurts.

Speaker 6 (01:03:19):
I need you as my life quote.

Speaker 7 (01:03:22):
That's it's a good good that you feel pain. I
want you to feel pain.

Speaker 9 (01:03:28):
I like the quote of just saying if I don't
hold it on the ball, they don't need it.

Speaker 7 (01:03:33):
I have no value.

Speaker 4 (01:03:34):
That's the best quot.

Speaker 9 (01:03:35):
That's the best quote I've heard out of that locker
room in five years. Honesty.

Speaker 7 (01:03:39):
So maybe Rabel's trickling down to the players. Yeah.

Speaker 12 (01:03:43):
Well, I mean we've had this issue with Romandre before
and he wasn't able to really get it right last year.
He's going to have to fix it at some point,
or they're just gonna realize we can't.

Speaker 9 (01:03:52):
Count on them.

Speaker 12 (01:03:52):
Clearly is going to lean into him and he's going
to be here for this year. But if he doesn't
get back on track, it's a real question.

Speaker 7 (01:03:58):
So think about it. We had another coach whose remedy
might have been you're just not playing. Absolutely, Now this
coach is saying.

Speaker 9 (01:04:08):
We need you, we need you.

Speaker 7 (01:04:10):
That's why you need to get better, not because you're
not gonna play. You need to get better because we
need you. So it's kind of a little bit of
reverse motivation here. I think, if I'm reading it right, it's.

Speaker 3 (01:04:23):
Going to come in where how long can they put up?
Like it's at some point you yeah, yeah, right, And
so they're probably getting a little closer to that point.
But I think to your point, Mike's trying to show
him some love, you know, and maybe a little confidence boost.
But that's a short rope. I would think based on
what happened last year, uh, and what's going on after.

Speaker 4 (01:04:43):
Today, That's why I would go to Gibson next week.
He did show him that today and he fumbled it again.
He showed him love and he showed them he showed confidence. No,
I understand how it was a hard hit, but I'm
not saying even that, like Gibson doesn't have the same
track record, and you know, Gibson lost one. You know,

(01:05:04):
he was involved in some of the fumbles last year too.
I'm not absolving him, but you got to do something.
I mean to Hey, it was Henderson. He went to
Henderson and then the production disappeared. So I don't envy Mike,
and I understand.

Speaker 7 (01:05:18):
Michael hasty to Miami, Oh he's gone.

Speaker 4 (01:05:23):
He's going to practice. Jennings, you might still be on.

Speaker 7 (01:05:30):
He's smaller than.

Speaker 9 (01:05:32):
No Terrell Jennings.

Speaker 7 (01:05:34):
Isn't he small?

Speaker 9 (01:05:34):
He's a bigger guy.

Speaker 4 (01:05:38):
I don't know what the answer is you you asked that,
like we had talked about it on the top of
the show. I personally would go to the whole week
and I would say, we're going.

Speaker 7 (01:05:46):
To make a change.

Speaker 4 (01:05:46):
We're going to flop your roles and Gibson's going to
be the lead guy, not banishing Stevenson, but he's not
going to be the league guy next week.

Speaker 9 (01:05:56):
If yeah, you know, I mean, you've got to do.

Speaker 12 (01:05:58):
Something different to take something off his plate at least
and just say, look, just we got to ease you
back in and get you confident again.

Speaker 9 (01:06:05):
But I one hundred percent agree they need this guy.

Speaker 10 (01:06:07):
I think.

Speaker 4 (01:06:07):
I'll tell you he's one of the.

Speaker 9 (01:06:08):
Talented Mike sounded most.

Speaker 4 (01:06:10):
I mean, I read into stuff, as you guys know,
when he was talking about all the turnovers, he's talking
about the decisions, and that's that's Drake. He's talking about
the quarterbacks, no doubt. The quarterback's fumble, no doubt, is
a decision. I know you don't think of a fumble
as being a decision. That was a decision.

Speaker 3 (01:06:28):
Yes, And what else did he say? He goes, you
got to live for another play. You got to know
when to pull it back. And that's the other thing.
That's the one that follow up that I would say. So,
is that something that you have been concerned with with
Drake and too much pressing the you know, the great
save the day on another Do you need to push
that back?

Speaker 7 (01:06:46):
I totally agree, Yeah, And I was definitely trying to do.

Speaker 3 (01:06:49):
Some very loud I thought when he said that very loud.

Speaker 7 (01:06:52):
Yeah, he was going to shovel that off to I
don't know who.

Speaker 9 (01:06:55):
But he was thinking about it. Yeah, And again, you
can't do that.

Speaker 6 (01:07:01):
All right, Well, we're getting tons of Actually I was
gonna read we were talking about Andre and so I
imagine you all disagree with this email, but I'll still
read it from Ellen Wisconsin saying we need to move
on from Andre. Sorry, after last year and then the
start of this one, you just can't give him the
ball anymore. Period. As for Pop, it just looks off
whenever he's involved an option.

Speaker 7 (01:07:22):
By the way, with Stevenson and I hear what I
was saying, But I go back to what Rabel said,
we need him, you can it's easy to say we're
gonna move on.

Speaker 3 (01:07:34):
Are moving on to one of your best offense players.
And that's the conundrum. You know, you saw what he
could do when he produced last week in Miami. You
see the ability that he's got. He's your best running
back in between the tackles right now, he is, So
can you afford to just put.

Speaker 7 (01:07:51):
Him on ice?

Speaker 4 (01:07:52):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (01:07:56):
Right, and to go I can lose with him or
I can lose without him, Like I'm one and two, like.

Speaker 7 (01:07:59):
What we doing?

Speaker 4 (01:08:00):
I know, but but you can see how you can
win with him, and I can see how I can understand.
I understand today you can make the argument was the
biggest factor in.

Speaker 7 (01:08:10):
The game, the fumbles.

Speaker 12 (01:08:11):
Yeah, and it's not good too that he's one of
the few remaining holdovers from previous regimes.

Speaker 9 (01:08:16):
So he's a guy that's already a little bit unnoticed.

Speaker 7 (01:08:19):
But we're not saying that about Dre. You got to
move on.

Speaker 4 (01:08:22):
No, we know Drake.

Speaker 7 (01:08:24):
Yeah, we know we haven't had We don't have a
chance without Dre. No, No, we don't have the sample
size of this.

Speaker 4 (01:08:30):
If listen the Jim Murray thing of you know, to
to day May, it was to to day again today
for May. If this continues, like you're going to have
a conversation at the end of the year.

Speaker 9 (01:08:40):
At the end of the year, Yeah, but he's only
a year two, not in year six or whatever. Stevenson's la.

Speaker 6 (01:08:47):
Do you think Benchingham would be the best?

Speaker 4 (01:08:49):
No, I think that I would absolutely go with Gibson
next week. You're not saying Bench he was just switched
the roles. Let him come in for Gibson and spell
Gibson a little bit and earn his playing time back.
That's I mean, I don't want to like, yeah, the
whole way we need him. I mean, they need all

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these guys, but like you can't just you can't put
the team in peril, and he consistently has done that
over the.

Speaker 7 (01:09:16):
Last two years.

Speaker 9 (01:09:17):
Is this a mental issue? I think absolutely for both.

Speaker 7 (01:09:21):
I think it's a technique too. I think it's a technique.
I mean, obviously at the end of that one run,
he was doing something with the ball where he should
probably have, you know, two hands on it.

Speaker 6 (01:09:33):
I don't know, But you think he changed his technique.

Speaker 7 (01:09:35):
I don't know, Like all of a sudden his arm
came out for no reason and exposed the ball. You
can't do that.

Speaker 9 (01:09:40):
I just wonder what haven't they said to him yet?
I mean, he had seven fumbles last year, right, like
they've read him every technique, every ticks, every practice.

Speaker 7 (01:09:48):
How many fumbles did seven lost?

Speaker 8 (01:09:51):
Like?

Speaker 3 (01:09:52):
Yeah, at your point, Paul, just because you get it
back doesn't mean he didn't fumble. I don't know if
that was the case last year, but he lost staff.
The GBS put up with seven loss fumbles, which led
the league last.

Speaker 9 (01:10:02):
And now he has nine, which also leads a lead
for non QBS.

Speaker 7 (01:10:05):
So uh.

Speaker 12 (01:10:07):
I just that's why it's a great question of what
is the answer, because what haven't they said to him yet?
What bridge hasn't been crossed yet. At a certain point,
you just have to ease him back in and hope
that he stops fumbling.

Speaker 9 (01:10:17):
But you know, my confidence now is.

Speaker 12 (01:10:19):
Is anybody gonna feel great if you're trying to run
the clock out and you got to lead by three
points and it's.

Speaker 9 (01:10:25):
Almost like there was seven he lost them all.

Speaker 7 (01:10:28):
It's almost like that bullpen picture that he's just giving
up runs and you want to get him out there,
but you have to wait for the moment where it
won't hurts you to get him walk out there.

Speaker 9 (01:10:38):
Keep bringing him in with guys right right right.

Speaker 7 (01:10:43):
Unfortunately, the Patriots don't build up enough lead where you
can say, all right, Remondre go out there and drin fumbles.
You know, these are games.

Speaker 9 (01:10:50):
There's no easy solution.

Speaker 7 (01:10:52):
I do not envy.

Speaker 4 (01:10:54):
I do not envy the coaching staff, and obviously I
don't envy Reminder Stevenson because you can see, you know
from the clip that Matt took from the he's wearing
it and it's.

Speaker 12 (01:11:03):
It's not a fun place to be now, especially on
the heels of the last week where he played really
well and it felt like, hey, maybe he's getting it
back I called it almost a throwback, vintage kind of
ramondre Stevenson performance, and then to follow it up with
a vintage Fromond season of the bad type.

Speaker 9 (01:11:17):
You know, you're just kind of run in circles with
him right now.

Speaker 6 (01:11:20):
Is there any consolation you just mentioned how these have
all been closed games. Is there any consolation in the
fact that the first three have been close?

Speaker 7 (01:11:28):
Absolutely?

Speaker 9 (01:11:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:11:29):
I mean, you know, like I said, this makes me
want to get out there and let's Sunday can't come
fast enough. I want another bite at the apple.

Speaker 12 (01:11:37):
It's less about the scores for me and more about
how it actually unfolded. And you know, I don't know
how encouraged I was after Week one, even though the
score was. But these last two it feels like they've
they've got some stuff. They just got to get out
of their own way.

Speaker 9 (01:11:52):
Were they the better team today, Paul?

Speaker 10 (01:11:53):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (01:11:53):
Absolutely, I have no consolation today at all that they
kicked a game away.

Speaker 9 (01:11:58):
They had no business losing that game none.

Speaker 6 (01:12:01):
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for staying on the line.

Speaker 20 (01:12:49):
Yeah, no worries. I just have two points.

Speaker 7 (01:12:52):
Really.

Speaker 20 (01:12:54):
The first point is how disappointing would you guys call
this season if every game turned out similar to this
one and last week, you know, just a toss up
on who wins.

Speaker 21 (01:13:04):
And second, if this was last.

Speaker 20 (01:13:06):
Year, I think all these penalties would have you know,
Drod Mail would have never heard the end of it.
When do we start holding that against the coaching staff?

Speaker 7 (01:13:14):
Thank you?

Speaker 6 (01:13:15):
Good question?

Speaker 7 (01:13:17):
At what point, are you who you are? You know,
just a team that can't win? Yeah?

Speaker 9 (01:13:22):
Well, at what point are you?

Speaker 12 (01:13:23):
Was just a sloppy team that takes a lot of
penalties and has stupid turnovers in the worst possible time. Yeah,
I mean, I really hope that's not the direction they're headed.
But that's what I said. They have a choice right now.
They can either be that team that continues to shoot
themselves in the foot, or there'll be a team that
cleans up the turnovers, cleans up the penalties, and really
starts to build some momentum.

Speaker 3 (01:13:41):
One of the things that Mike said postgame, you guys,
tell me the first Carlton Davis p I ticky tack
or was that legiti?

Speaker 9 (01:13:50):
He only had one.

Speaker 7 (01:13:51):
I thought that was a ticky tak penalty.

Speaker 3 (01:13:53):
So I think I don't think Mike loved that call,
And he said something, I don't know how we I
don't know how we better coach, how we played on
that when that doesn't seem like past eperience to me.
So again, I'm not trying to excuse the seven penalties,
but they were.

Speaker 9 (01:14:06):
Better than a week ago now. But I'll say this,
they still make some stupid mistakes.

Speaker 4 (01:14:10):
You have a defensive back who dives at the legs
of a blocker, which is football one on one. You
know you can't do that. They are they teaching it?
Are they coaching it? That's a really bad penalty.

Speaker 3 (01:14:20):
The TV broadcast was saying that the running back or
the receiver or whatever, it was a slip screen like
he was in the vicinity where he was trying to
get the ball carry at that point in time.

Speaker 4 (01:14:28):
Too.

Speaker 9 (01:14:29):
That was another.

Speaker 4 (01:14:30):
He completely takes the legs out of the You can't
see it in this one.

Speaker 7 (01:14:35):
The last.

Speaker 4 (01:14:36):
They just showed the replay like you can't dive at
a guy's legs, Like that's a fifteen yard jumpstart to
that drive that ended up in a touchdown. That's a
big penalty. The penalties on defensive backs down those are
going to happen. You're gonna get some ticky tack You're
going to get some tiki tack holes the Steelers. Mike
made the comment the Patriots looked like they were going

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three and out to start the game and it was
penalty on somebody. No one even saw the touchdown. The
first touchdown they got penalty that you said on on
the broadcast. They thought that they thought that was obvious.

Speaker 9 (01:15:08):
I didn't think that was obvious. You thought it was
offensive interference.

Speaker 7 (01:15:11):
I thought he pushed off a little bit, when again.

Speaker 9 (01:15:14):
I didn't really think it was I didn't think it
was anything.

Speaker 7 (01:15:17):
I didn't think it was really a call.

Speaker 4 (01:15:18):
So those are going to happen. I would not kill
like the you know, obviously the timing is tough. I
would not kill Alex Austen, and I would certainly not
kill Calton Davis. I don't think Calton Davis really didn't.
I mean, he was holding him up, but I don't
really think that was a penalty terrible call. I agree
with Fred on that one. I know he's trying to
get me in an argument even though I agree with him.

(01:15:40):
But dive into the guy's legs and you know, jumping
off side in the first play of the game, first
play of the game, chasing jumps off side.

Speaker 9 (01:15:49):
Here's you're jumping at the legs. Just tell me, is
he not?

Speaker 7 (01:15:52):
He doesn't.

Speaker 4 (01:15:53):
He just dives right at eighty eight legs like, I
don't know what you're expecting there.

Speaker 7 (01:15:57):
Yeah, I don't think you can't do it.

Speaker 9 (01:16:00):
He's not he's not going for the ball carrier. He's
trying to.

Speaker 4 (01:16:03):
Take the blocker. Man, I don't care if he's trying
to he doesn't get him.

Speaker 7 (01:16:08):
He gets slide under to get to the ball, right,
he's trying and.

Speaker 4 (01:16:13):
You can't do that, Fred, they can't blow up blockers
like that. And that's what he meant to do, exactly
what he was trying to create a pile. I think
it turned out that that's what he did, and you
got to, you know, call for it.

Speaker 3 (01:16:28):
But can you ask about intent?

Speaker 7 (01:16:29):
Maybe, yeah, don't. I don't think it was malicious.

Speaker 6 (01:16:32):
I'm will take that.

Speaker 4 (01:16:33):
I don't think intent matters. He was he's trying to
create a pile, But I don't think that matters. But
I'm far more disappointed with his play on the game,
losing touchdown, just get torched, torch saw coming.

Speaker 6 (01:16:46):
All right, let's take it to Boston Cream. Hi, Boston Cream.

Speaker 21 (01:16:52):
Hey, I got another addition for the good list. I'm
gonna put Drake May's leadership.

Speaker 5 (01:16:56):
He saw Remandre fumbled twice, he saw Gibson fum once,
and he's not gonna leave any man behind.

Speaker 7 (01:17:01):
So he fumbled, good, good, good. Shout out that that's
just a good one.

Speaker 4 (01:17:12):
Pick up, my guys, I did one to you guys,
I don't think I don't think that's I don't think
that's funny at all.

Speaker 9 (01:17:17):
I don't think it's funny at all.

Speaker 6 (01:17:20):
Let's hear from Mike in Greensboro, North Carolina.

Speaker 9 (01:17:23):
By the way, Chase on like three off sides penalties,
like can we.

Speaker 4 (01:17:25):
Just we just like we got to get after him,
you know, let's go.

Speaker 9 (01:17:31):
You know, there's lines on the field for a reason.

Speaker 6 (01:17:33):
All right, Mike in North Carolina.

Speaker 14 (01:17:35):
Ere upe, Hey, you guys. I was just thinking about
this game and like the start to this year, and
it makes me think back when we were dissected the
end of last season and we were talking about how
many one score games we had and flashes a good
moment that I think it was Paul that brought up, Yeah,
that's what bad teams do. They don't get blown out
every week. They find ways to lose games. And it

(01:17:57):
feels like that's kind of what we do. But like
or win against the Dolphin was them losing the game.
It just kind of feels like Groundhog's Day like for
the last five seasons. Just curious what you guys think
about that, And if you're looking, I don't know what
you're optimistic about moving forward with so many bad, bad

(01:18:20):
football moments. I don't take it.

Speaker 7 (01:18:23):
I'll figure out.

Speaker 9 (01:18:24):
I mean, I gotta be honest. I mean, I this
feels different to me.

Speaker 12 (01:18:27):
I mean, I know they're losing, but there feels like
there's some signs of life here and they haven't strung
it all together yet. But those last two years, you
knew Drake was waiting in the wings. Last year you
didn't know.

Speaker 9 (01:18:36):
What he was going to be.

Speaker 12 (01:18:37):
But even before that, you felt like you were always
going to be a little bit handicapped offensively with the
quarterbacks that they were trying to make work here. So
I don't feel that way. I think this is going
to be a process for this team. They got to
learn how to win, and they got to learn how
to get out of their own way. But this feels different.
You know my view, this team needs to learn how
to win. There's no carryover. Yes, this team needs to Yeah,

(01:18:58):
I don't.

Speaker 4 (01:18:58):
Know if I would go this far as you guys,
I would say this Today, the defense took a step
forward from what we've seen in the first two weeks.
So the whole like, we've got to be able to
take advantage of bad football. Well, that was bad offense
that Pittsburgh put out there, and they made it look
that way for the vast majority of the last three quarters.

(01:19:19):
So that gives me some hope. What you know, the
question was what do you have to be optimist about
going forward? Well, they're going to play some teams that
are offensively challenged Cleveland, Tennessee.

Speaker 7 (01:19:29):
Don't say Carolina.

Speaker 9 (01:19:32):
And a bunch of field goals right offensive.

Speaker 4 (01:19:35):
You So I think that they might be able to
put themselves in a position where that they can contain
some of these teams. But I don't see I mean offensively,
you're turning the ball over a lot, you're committing a
lot of penalties, and you're not really scoring a lot
of points.

Speaker 6 (01:19:51):
Would you say that was a step back since said
the defense to go step forward?

Speaker 9 (01:19:55):
No, I think that's what we've seen from the offense.

Speaker 7 (01:19:57):
Yeah, but don't you feel a little different than last
year's offense?

Speaker 14 (01:20:00):
I do?

Speaker 7 (01:20:01):
I don't I do?

Speaker 4 (01:20:02):
I don't I see a tooth pull every single drive.
It's three yards, four yards to last, fourth down, fourth down.

Speaker 9 (01:20:11):
We can get it.

Speaker 4 (01:20:12):
We can get it on fourth down. Oh, we got it,
we got it. That's what I there was a couple
of times.

Speaker 7 (01:20:17):
I don't think last year they were getting it.

Speaker 4 (01:20:20):
I don't really see much of a difference. They scored
fourteen point sixty three and seventy yards. They went for
every fourth down. That's why they didn't punt.

Speaker 7 (01:20:28):
Well, they went for every fourth down because they were
all fourth and short.

Speaker 9 (01:20:30):
Did they play punt once? I think they punted once.
That was I think they punted once.

Speaker 7 (01:20:37):
YEA doesn't. I'll tell you something.

Speaker 4 (01:20:39):
It tells me.

Speaker 9 (01:20:39):
They scored fourteen points.

Speaker 7 (01:20:41):
But you know they didn't watch the game.

Speaker 9 (01:20:43):
If you watched the game, I thought they should have
won the game.

Speaker 7 (01:20:46):
I think they would have scored more points.

Speaker 4 (01:20:47):
They should have scored more points, right, But they didn't.
And that's what I've seen the two years.

Speaker 7 (01:20:52):
You could say the same thing. But last year they
shouldn't have scored more points. They didn't.

Speaker 9 (01:20:56):
I don't know about that.

Speaker 7 (01:20:57):
Oh, come on, they couldn't. They couldn't. Ect didn't have games.

Speaker 4 (01:21:00):
They didn't have games like moving they were moving the ball.
I don't think the offense was as good today as
you think it was. I guess that's my point.

Speaker 7 (01:21:06):
Well I don't then, I don't think you it was.

Speaker 9 (01:21:08):
I think I think Hunter Henry was really good.

Speaker 7 (01:21:11):
I don't else. I think it was worse than you
think it was last year.

Speaker 4 (01:21:14):
No, the offense was bad last year, and it was.
It was better than last year, no question with you.

Speaker 7 (01:21:20):
What you're seeing good, what you're seeing is better than
last correct, Like the.

Speaker 9 (01:21:24):
Offensive line is better than last year.

Speaker 4 (01:21:26):
It's not good, it's better than last year.

Speaker 7 (01:21:29):
Everything needs to get better.

Speaker 4 (01:21:30):
Yeah, in three yards of carry, which is more alarming
to me because everybody told me Pittsburgh couldn't stop the run.

Speaker 9 (01:21:38):
And you couldn't run it, Apaul, just real quick, Marty
mop who got seven snaps.

Speaker 4 (01:21:45):
That's why I quantified it, I said, Andy totally in
my mind, it seemed like he was.

Speaker 7 (01:21:49):
Out there more.

Speaker 4 (01:21:49):
No, exactly the same as last week.

Speaker 7 (01:21:51):
Seven snaps the.

Speaker 4 (01:21:52):
Correct me, No, Fred, it's better. The offense is was
better today than the first of all, forget the Brasil game.
Let's only count the Drake May games. You know, like
the Rams game last year. Moved it up and down
the field. How did they only end up with twenty
two points because of this?

Speaker 5 (01:22:09):
This is what they do.

Speaker 4 (01:22:10):
This is what they do. They turn the ball over
and until you stop being that team that commits the suicide.
That's what you're going to be, and it's better than
last year.

Speaker 7 (01:22:22):
I'm not arguing I have more hope in the offensive line.
I have more hope in the receiving corps.

Speaker 4 (01:22:26):
I don't have any more hope on the receiving cour No, well,
I do. I do have hope on the offensive line.
You have two rookies playing the left side. They should
get better. Today wasn't a great day for them.

Speaker 6 (01:22:34):
Wait, why not hope with the receiving court.

Speaker 9 (01:22:36):
Because they don't have good receivers, so you just want
them to run it.

Speaker 11 (01:22:40):
No.

Speaker 4 (01:22:40):
I today they could only move the ball when they
threw it to Hunter Henry generally, but they're good. The
tight ends are good. Hooper made a couple of catches too.
I just feel like, if you can't consistently score twenty
four or more points, and they can't they have not
demonstrated that that's true, then you're not a good offense.

Speaker 1 (01:23:01):
Game.

Speaker 7 (01:23:01):
Is it better?

Speaker 4 (01:23:02):
Did it look better today?

Speaker 9 (01:23:04):
To your mind's eye?

Speaker 7 (01:23:04):
They should?

Speaker 4 (01:23:05):
You know, they turn the ball over twice in the
end zone and then you get twenty eight points and
I'm feeling all different.

Speaker 9 (01:23:09):
I know, except for that's what they do. Yeah, do
you understand what I'm saying?

Speaker 4 (01:23:14):
Like, yes, in a vacuum today, fred I would say, oh,
that was a twenty eight thirty five point game, except
for that's what they do well. They get that key
penalty that puts them behind the chains or they fail to,
you know, convert on a key spot. To Mario Douglas
has to get the first down on the last fourth down.

Speaker 7 (01:23:32):
He has to, I believe.

Speaker 4 (01:23:34):
I hate the call, I hate the fact that they
short the storys, but he needs to just fall forward
you get a first I agree, But that's what they do.

Speaker 7 (01:23:40):
They're going to clean this up. They're going to clean
it up.

Speaker 9 (01:23:43):
I'm not saying when they and when they do, I
will say it's better.

Speaker 7 (01:23:46):
Yeah. I see the potential. I see the potential. Like
my kid, I see the potential.

Speaker 10 (01:23:52):
You can do it.

Speaker 8 (01:23:52):
I can do it.

Speaker 4 (01:23:53):
But turn intore like Stuart Smally and it's like, you know,
you're good enough, you're smarter.

Speaker 6 (01:23:58):
Down, thank you.

Speaker 7 (01:23:59):
This is the NFL.

Speaker 9 (01:24:00):
All right, let's listen the kid turn it over five times.

Speaker 6 (01:24:03):
Our friend Elgin in North Carolina is on the phone.

Speaker 7 (01:24:06):
He Eldred, Hey, hey fella, how you doing.

Speaker 9 (01:24:11):
Hey, I'm not doing good because I got away.

Speaker 22 (01:24:13):
I come found Pitshburgh, Jersey.

Speaker 5 (01:24:15):
Then I got to buy some drinks.

Speaker 7 (01:24:17):
We got somebody somebody.

Speaker 6 (01:24:19):
Yeah, stop bet' we.

Speaker 5 (01:24:22):
Bet doc bending, I ain't gonna do that.

Speaker 6 (01:24:26):
This show is presented by Draft Kings, by the way,
so I take that back.

Speaker 7 (01:24:30):
You're going to do that, okay, Paul.

Speaker 8 (01:24:33):
I disagree with you about the wide receivers because I'm
still seeing that North Carolina.

Speaker 5 (01:24:39):
Drake May's the NFL.

Speaker 14 (01:24:40):
Drake May when he kept throwing the Hendry.

Speaker 5 (01:24:43):
When he got about that third.

Speaker 11 (01:24:44):
Down one of close to the pit, fast to the stick,
deed was breaking if you held it half a second longer.

Speaker 14 (01:24:52):
Deed was breaking right behind him.

Speaker 8 (01:24:53):
Nobody in front, nobody around them, nobody, nobody in front
of him.

Speaker 5 (01:24:57):
He was core top in a touchdown, but he took
quickly because he's jumping a little bit.

Speaker 4 (01:25:02):
I'm not saying they never get opened on any play, yeah,
but they just lack explosiveness.

Speaker 9 (01:25:09):
Everything is so hard, and maybe Drake May didn't wait
that split.

Speaker 4 (01:25:13):
Second longer for a guy to get open because he
was picking himself off the turf all day. Mike, what
were some of the lengths of drives eighteen play fifteen
plays was their longest drive fifteen plays, eighty eight yards,
and then they had a ninety two yard drive.

Speaker 12 (01:25:28):
Now seventeen. Their seventeen ninety four was the longest seventeen.
They had a seventeen ninety four. They fourteen eighty three
that did send in the touchdown. They had two drives
of eight forty five.

Speaker 9 (01:25:38):
Fifteen eighty eight for a touchdown.

Speaker 12 (01:25:39):
The lack of explosiveness nine sixty one. I mean, you know,
it's definitely Paul's definitely right. But I mean, in their defense,
I think they put some sustained drives together and yeah
it was tooth and nail, I.

Speaker 4 (01:25:50):
Agree, but this is what they do. They sustain offense
and find a way not to score as many points
as you would think.

Speaker 7 (01:25:57):
And today, in a vacuum, for the most part, they
did not sustain it.

Speaker 4 (01:26:01):
But I can tell you games that they did. You're
just ignoring them like that RAMS game is an example
of one game. But what I'm saying is, yes, if
I just took today in a vacuum and I said, well,
that was an outliar, that the mistakes were an outlier,
I would say, yes, that was that was much better offense.

Speaker 9 (01:26:20):
I've seen this. They find ways to not score as
many points as you think they should have.

Speaker 7 (01:26:26):
They do.

Speaker 4 (01:26:27):
I just didn't also have to go for a fourth
down from their own fifteen. They should have punted on
that possession.

Speaker 7 (01:26:31):
I mean, we're only in Week three, but I didn't
get the feeling last year that they didn't score as
many points as they should have see.

Speaker 4 (01:26:37):
I think in the Drake May part of the season,
for the most part, there were there were games like that.

Speaker 7 (01:26:43):
I just didn't think he had the support. I didn't
think he had the time to execute an offense.

Speaker 4 (01:26:48):
Well, that's why they didn't score as many points today,
it was because they kept dropping the ball.

Speaker 7 (01:26:52):
Different reason but the same as hell. But I think, well,
they didn't drop the ball.

Speaker 9 (01:26:56):
They fumbled. Yeah, they fumbled four times.

Speaker 7 (01:26:59):
Right, I'm talking about receiver, you know, other than uh.

Speaker 9 (01:27:03):
And if the Steelers didn't drop the ball, they would
have turned it over eight times.

Speaker 7 (01:27:07):
I feel better about what I'm seeing offensive wise.

Speaker 10 (01:27:11):
I do.

Speaker 9 (01:27:13):
I would say in a vacuum today, I would agree.

Speaker 3 (01:27:15):
With because Fred, they're close or closer at least eliminate
bad football. We're having a different discussion saying he doesn't
know if they can do that, because they haven't demonstrated.

Speaker 4 (01:27:29):
Because because I know I'm a little different. Bad football
is talent. Yeah, it's not bad luck.

Speaker 7 (01:27:35):
Well sometimes it is. Bad football can also be coaching
false starts. And I also think the coaching is better
this year. So we'll see what we're in week three.
We're in week three, We've got a lot of football.

Speaker 6 (01:27:46):
Wait, but Paul your point then, do you think there's
enough talent on this team to have the potential that fred.

Speaker 7 (01:27:53):
Barring injury?

Speaker 6 (01:27:54):
No, that's okay, But.

Speaker 9 (01:27:59):
I mean, but that doesn't mean that it will always
be like that.

Speaker 4 (01:28:02):
Right now, they've increased their talent level from last year,
they still have a long way to go, still have
a long way to go.

Speaker 9 (01:28:08):
This is a game they should have won today, and
that's they're going to kick themselves.

Speaker 4 (01:28:12):
Yep, because if you, if you, if you, guys are
right and I'm wrong and they end up getting themselves
up off the mat and they start putting together some
good performances, games like today are going to kill you.

Speaker 7 (01:28:21):
Oh yeah, that's could be like, oh man, if we
had only won that game.

Speaker 4 (01:28:24):
A conference game, that you're gonna be probably fighting for
a wildcard with that team and you just gave them one.

Speaker 7 (01:28:29):
Yep. Yeah, now I hear the part of it.

Speaker 3 (01:28:32):
Well looking ahead, I mean, I know Carolina won thirty
to nothing, but like that's it's not like the eighty
five Bears are coming into town next week.

Speaker 4 (01:28:38):
The eighty five Bears didn't come into town today and
you lost to them. I know, and certainly the eighty
five Bears weren't here on Opening Day.

Speaker 9 (01:28:46):
It's a good defense, eighty five Bears. I mean that
man loves the defense.

Speaker 7 (01:28:51):
The Raiders.

Speaker 4 (01:28:52):
The Raiders today, like you know, that juggernaut that they
lost to opening Day, gave up forty one to Marcus Mariota.

Speaker 9 (01:28:59):
They haven't played a good team yet and they're one
and two.

Speaker 6 (01:29:05):
Yeah, they do next week, all right now.

Speaker 4 (01:29:06):
Fortunately we're not a lot of good teams on the schedule.

Speaker 7 (01:29:09):
Well, I mean, this is what Rabel talks about when
he says we need to take advantage of bad football.
He knows there's a lot of bad football out there.
Unfortunately we're one of the teams doing it right now.

Speaker 9 (01:29:21):
Today is the today was the post of child in
front of the parade.

Speaker 7 (01:29:26):
But he knows the teams that play the least bad
football are the ones that will win.

Speaker 9 (01:29:32):
And then all goes back to that taking advantage of
bad football.

Speaker 4 (01:29:35):
And when you're last week, they did today they created
the bad football.

Speaker 6 (01:29:40):
Yeah, exactly, all right, Ivans in California, Gogo, I must prebate.

Speaker 21 (01:29:46):
Hello, super disappointing.

Speaker 5 (01:29:49):
I'll tell your friend yesterday we put a guy into
the Hall of Fame that what do you used to
say about potential?

Speaker 21 (01:29:55):
Means you haven't done anything yet, right, And for me.

Speaker 5 (01:29:59):
My biggest thing, great may not only is this decision
making to me just bad. It's just he can't hit
the bunny. I mean, Grady went twelve for twelve, but
I mean, my god, if you can't hit a five
yard pass, then what are you doing in the NFL?
And just to me, it's a little bit of Ledstone
two point zero, you know, great arm good athlete, but man,

(01:30:22):
just when you need him, brand cramp. And I know
he's young and it's early.

Speaker 21 (01:30:26):
And blah blah blah, but at the end of the day,
he's either got it or doesn't. And to me, I'm
very concerned about that. I don't I know, I know
there's a lot of talent that's missing on this team,
you know, but I.

Speaker 5 (01:30:38):
Think when you're the guy that's running the team, you're
you know, you're running the huddle, you got your you
get your hands on the ball. As much as he does,
the amount of mental mistakes, some bad decisions he mates,
I don't know.

Speaker 21 (01:30:51):
I don't know if you're gonna fix that. That's that's
just my opinion.

Speaker 7 (01:30:54):
Ok Vin.

Speaker 12 (01:30:56):
I mean, he's a twenty three year old kid NFL
games fifteen fifteen NFL games. He has all the talent
in the world. We know that these were the issues
all along, that he's up and down, and I think
he has enough talent to wait and let him develop
in an offense right now that looks like Josh McDaniel
still knows what he's doing. Get some more talent around him,

(01:31:18):
get this experience. But I think I agree with the
caller one hundred percent that the inconsistencies we're seeing from
May are the concerns we had in college, are the
concerns that we had last year, are the concerns we.

Speaker 9 (01:31:27):
Talked about all summer. So at a certain point he
does have to fix those things.

Speaker 12 (01:31:31):
And for every game like this, it's only going to
get louder people that are concerned that, Yeah, he looks
great for seventy five percent of the plays of the game,
but those other twenty five percent he's.

Speaker 7 (01:31:41):
Going to lose the game. I'm not saying anything is acceptable.
It's not acceptable, it's.

Speaker 12 (01:31:47):
But it's enough talent to you know, I'm sure Buffalo
fans and you know early on in the going of
Josh Allen, that's it.

Speaker 10 (01:31:56):
He is what he is.

Speaker 9 (01:31:56):
Let's cancel it and start over and go try to
find another quarterback getting more success earlier in their career.
There was mistakes, to be sure, but he won a
lot more games than this in his first fifteen games. Yes,
how many more games did he win? I mean it's
you know, it's like it's.

Speaker 7 (01:32:17):
Technically Drake has only won two games.

Speaker 3 (01:32:19):
Right, So the interception and the fumble were were the
plays that everybody's going to talk about. But we just
showed when Ivan was on that call, you know, the
little role and he's got pop in the flat and
he skips the ball to him. Those are the ones,
like I know that he's not turning the ball, and the.

Speaker 4 (01:32:32):
One at the end of the game, right, but then
he did the same thing on those.

Speaker 3 (01:32:35):
Are the ones that that's got to drive his staff crazy.

Speaker 9 (01:32:38):
Like we've been talking about.

Speaker 3 (01:32:39):
He hit the bunnies in Miami for the most part.
You know, he had the ones that the easy throws.
Those were throws that he has the easy place. He's
got to make those plays, He's got to make those connections.

Speaker 6 (01:32:49):
You know, how many games do you give Drake Man
until you sign off on two years? Because we're getting emails.

Speaker 4 (01:32:55):
I'm not I am not advocating the people.

Speaker 7 (01:32:58):
Don't think that email about that.

Speaker 12 (01:33:02):
That's what I'm going to say is there's never a
straight road to perfection or to excellence. And if you
think that the kid has the leadership traits, you think
that he has the arm, you think that he has
the athletic talent, then you have to be patient. You
can't expect him to walk out here and you're two
in a first offense and it completely assolved all the
problems that have haunted him.

Speaker 9 (01:33:20):
Now again, how many of us were twenty two to
twenty three years.

Speaker 12 (01:33:23):
Old in a job and you made some stupid mistakes. Yeah,
I think all of us probably did. So, you know,
maybe it's not exactly apples. Staples and Josh Allen won
six more games in this timeframe. Matt than Drake has.
But I'm just saying we need to be patient with
this kid because it's a long way to go. He's
not the only piece holding you back right now and
a little testy and I like that, and I want
to go back to I like it too.

Speaker 9 (01:33:44):
That's why I want to argue with Here's.

Speaker 3 (01:33:45):
The one thing that I like that Fritz said when
he listened to Drake May And what was the first
thing he said out of his mouth?

Speaker 9 (01:33:50):
Yes, hurts. I look at that as growth.

Speaker 7 (01:33:53):
Yes, I look at that it should hurt.

Speaker 6 (01:33:56):
And also the first thing myrand Tom Brady is, you know,
a historical quarterback, but to even compare or mentioned in
the same sentence to your point, it's just not a
fair look. Second year in the league, you know, this
is the This is technically his first year as a
full time quarterback, so he.

Speaker 9 (01:34:13):
Needs to give him Josh Allen's first year is a
full time quarterback. He went five and seven.

Speaker 4 (01:34:19):
And then he went ten and six in year two, right,
and he largely had a lot of the same kind
of things that we're talking about. Mike's right about that,
the mistakes, but I think that the I think Bills
fans looked at it and said, we're winning with all
these mistakes. Imagine what he's going to be like when
when he cleaned some of this up.

Speaker 7 (01:34:34):
But last year was such a train wreck offensively, everything, everything,
and so it's like almost not even fair to say
to count that against him.

Speaker 12 (01:34:44):
Right, Well, that's what's frustrating is you know, Evn'ts showing
us the dots and I forget which play it was,
but he's like, and there's MATC Collins open for a touchdown.

Speaker 9 (01:34:50):
You know, like you're seeing guys getting schemed open.

Speaker 12 (01:34:52):
I mean some of these gotta have it plays and
impresses me with Drake, with Josh's playbook that he knows
what to call, they're able to go for these high
pressure plays and make them.

Speaker 9 (01:35:01):
That's a positive sign for me. But I would just generally.

Speaker 12 (01:35:04):
Preach patients with this kid because I think he's got
all the things on the world. We're just trying to
find consistency with him, and it might take a couple
of years. It might not be you know, the Josh
Allen thing where he and maybe he won't be as
good as Josh Allen, but I think that he is
going to be a good player in this League, But
you can't run him out of town because you know,
fifteen games in, he's still making some of these.

Speaker 9 (01:35:22):
So I'm largely with Mike on the whole Drake may
experience in general. I really am.

Speaker 4 (01:35:29):
I'm not anywhere close to being, you know, saying that
I think it's time to pull the plug.

Speaker 9 (01:35:35):
And no, I'm not anywhere close.

Speaker 4 (01:35:37):
But I'd be lying if I said I wasn't concerned
because a lot of the stuff that I I'm concerned about,
with stuff that was talked about that was attached to
him coming out of North Carolina doesn't win as much
as his talent. Would it suggest easy for him to say, well.

Speaker 7 (01:35:54):
That's what you see. North Carolina's a tough place to win.

Speaker 4 (01:35:56):
Yeah, yeah, Central, Yeah, when you when you get that
kind of coaching, well, actually getting blistered by UCF R oh.

Speaker 7 (01:36:07):
Well, you know.

Speaker 12 (01:36:09):
I hate making comparisons, but just my own personal viewing
of like mac Jones got here and you knew he
had some limitations, and those limitations showed up when he
got to the NFL, but then other things started to
show up too that were like I don't know about this.

Speaker 4 (01:36:22):
I like this a lot more than that. I'll be
honest with you.

Speaker 12 (01:36:25):
Yeah, yeah, and so those you know, so so far
Drake hasn't done anything to me that's been like, oh no,
that's going to be like we know what we know.
And so far, there are times today where I'm like,
this kid's dealing like he looks comfortable, especially more last week.
But you know, I just you got to ride the
wave a little bit right now with how it's going.
But if you can just get some confidence, I think
that's the thing. And that's what I was hopeful coming

(01:36:45):
off of last week's win, that he would build off
of that. And look, it's never a straight arrow up.
It's I would say, it's like a break up. You know,
you have good days, Paul, If you break up with
your girlfriend back and back in the day, you got
good days, you got bad days, but surely it gets better,
it gets better.

Speaker 9 (01:37:02):
So hopefully that's the same thing that Drake will have.

Speaker 12 (01:37:04):
But like, I think Paul's totally right though, the fact
that you're highlighting the same kind of issues and now
people are saying.

Speaker 4 (01:37:11):
Concerned, I mean, I think we're allowed to, you know,
and I know some of the emails some of the
callers of you know sound like they're a little bit
more down on him than I am. But I'm not
telling them that.

Speaker 7 (01:37:20):
They're like.

Speaker 4 (01:37:22):
Finding stuff, finding flaws that aren't there that you know,
some of the throws. And to me, and this is
I'm going back to you because I think that you
really identified this earlier than most. It's when the game's
on the line, it doesn't seem like it's the same.
And that's a concern to me. That throw across the
middle to Douglas today, he just didn't say. I mean,
I thought Evan was going to cry.

Speaker 9 (01:37:42):
He just didn't. He just didn't set his feet. Oh
he's a mess that footwork.

Speaker 7 (01:37:47):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:37:48):
He just didn't set his feet and missed a wide
open throw. That's an easy throw. And then you make
you put yourself in a position where you got to
convert another fourth down. How many times you're going full
for four and fourth down? You want to know, And yes,
should they have converted that, Yes, Tomorrio doug was probably
should have gotten the first down in that play.

Speaker 9 (01:38:05):
But you put yourself in that situation and these kinds
of things will happen.

Speaker 12 (01:38:09):
You want to talk about roller Coroaster, think about Evan's day,
you know, like seeing Jason Tatum here, very very high
first two possessions, Evan was like jumping off the britt they.

Speaker 4 (01:38:16):
Were gonna get boat rist and I said, this seems
I said, Pittsburgh's not bigger, not good enough to blow
them out. I believe it.

Speaker 10 (01:38:23):
We'll check in.

Speaker 9 (01:38:24):
We'll check in with him, see how he's doing tomorrow.
And he has to go through the film of it all.
It's it's is burden.

Speaker 4 (01:38:28):
You know.

Speaker 6 (01:38:28):
It's alright, let's hear from Mark in Connecticut.

Speaker 23 (01:38:37):
Everyone, how you guys are doing?

Speaker 6 (01:38:38):
Oh hi Mark, Mark, So me and my father, we're
at the game and.

Speaker 23 (01:38:45):
We're all just looking around after every turnover going we're
just south inducing our own you know, device here. You know,
we're literally just losing the game on our own stupidity.
But my other take is Ryers Diggs not getting more involved,
and especially at the end of the game when it's

(01:39:06):
the fourth and two gotta have it. I don't like
them going to pop Douglass. I want to see Diggs
in that role.

Speaker 9 (01:39:14):
And I just am a fair second guess top.

Speaker 23 (01:39:16):
Of it, because every time he gets the ball, he's
catching the ball, and it's a good it's a good thing.
But they're just not using him enough. I feel like,
and I wanted to get your guys astate.

Speaker 7 (01:39:26):
It's a good like. I guess I don't pay enough
attention to But I don't know if, like if he
was double covered on that play. I don't know what
was going on with Diggs on that play.

Speaker 3 (01:39:34):
Right, three targets, three catches.

Speaker 9 (01:39:35):
Is that what the stat line is?

Speaker 7 (01:39:36):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (01:39:37):
Diggs?

Speaker 7 (01:39:37):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:39:38):
No, I mean Diggs has has not been a big
part of the game on all three weeks. I think
he's made some big catches within the games, but he
hasn't been I haven't seen.

Speaker 7 (01:39:48):
The volume that I was hoping for.

Speaker 9 (01:39:51):
No, or that are they easing him in?

Speaker 6 (01:39:53):
Yeah, I'm gonna say, is that intentional because.

Speaker 9 (01:39:55):
Of the school or just I mean, I don't know.
You have to.

Speaker 12 (01:40:00):
Yeah, nothing, nothing after the catch with him, really, I mean,
this was probably as close as you get rumbling stumbling
bumblin for the first down. No, it's it's it's been
a little up and down for sure, and I was
hoping for a little bit more from him. But they're
gonna have to find ways to get bigger, bigger chunk plays.

Speaker 9 (01:40:15):
And because that that's what we've been talking about I.

Speaker 12 (01:40:18):
Mean, you know, just it doesn't everything has to be
so hard, And that's a point I agree with Paul
on in connection to last year, where it's just it
continues to be a grind, and I think that's ultimately
just a reflection on the playmakers that they have and
these guys that you know, just don't have that explosiveness
and that's what they have to get to make this
a true NFL offense.

Speaker 6 (01:40:36):
That's what Diggs was brought in to do. All Right,
we have Robin in for Lauderdale.

Speaker 22 (01:40:46):
Where do we get to hold the indulged accountable? Obviously
with Bill he was never accountable. It is stored back
and now agreeable. Everyone's talking about the kid. Okay, there
were reports and Rabel's practices, his training camp, we're weak. Okay,

(01:41:07):
when you're not a good team, which is the Pagots
are not, you reinforce fundamental period. If we if our
fundamentals were okay today, we win this game going away.
I don't think Rabel's practices or his training camp for
that or anything. It is up to part and nobody

(01:41:28):
thought the kids.

Speaker 5 (01:41:29):
When are the adults?

Speaker 22 (01:41:30):
I thought when we were done with Bill, we were
going to get some some accountability with with with the
grown ups. Okay, so we're not blaming the kids. He
dropped it, and I'm not saying.

Speaker 5 (01:41:40):
Those kids they played like trash today.

Speaker 22 (01:41:43):
But it starts with Rabel reinforced fundamental. We win this
game going away period.

Speaker 9 (01:41:51):
What makes you think that they don't reinforce fundamental.

Speaker 5 (01:41:53):
Exactly you, Paul, did you see the game today?

Speaker 4 (01:41:57):
Yes, I watched the game today. But you're suggesting that
the coach is responsible for it, like he's going out
there and telling him to fumble. Like I got to
be honest with you. They didn't turn the ball over
in training camp. A matter of fact, Drake may went
long stretches of training camp without throwing any interceptions.

Speaker 23 (01:42:13):
I'm not talking about director, I'm talking about the running.

Speaker 4 (01:42:17):
They went long stretches without fumbling. They fumbled, to my
mind's I once in training camp. I don't know where
your reports are coming from, but I was there every day.
You didn't read them in my report.

Speaker 7 (01:42:28):
So you reports that they had a soft training camp.
I didn't see that, but you know, try to look
at it. I mean, they're not two a days like
they were talking about with Bill Parks was telling.

Speaker 4 (01:42:38):
You the hard, softer, indifferent. I'm not That's not what
I'm talking about. I'm talking about this notion that they
don't reinforce the fundamentals. It's all Mike Rabel talks about
is taking advantage of bad football and putting the three buckets.
It's the good, the bad, and the crap that will
get your beat. He focuses on that constantly. I'm not

(01:42:59):
telling you Mike Rabel is the second coming to Tom Landry,
But to suggest that he doesn't care about fundamentals, I mean,
that's I don't know who wrote that.

Speaker 9 (01:43:07):
Yeah, it certainly didn't come from.

Speaker 10 (01:43:10):
No.

Speaker 9 (01:43:11):
No, I think I'm sure, Mike, I know where I
came from.

Speaker 4 (01:43:14):
Do you?

Speaker 9 (01:43:15):
I think the Dark reported that he thought it was
a very soft practice.

Speaker 4 (01:43:17):
I'm not talking about a soft camp. You could make
an argument that they had a soft camp. You can
absolutely make that argument. I'm talking about not caring about penalties,
uh turnovers. Where where is the right so the evidence.

Speaker 7 (01:43:33):
Camp was and how much attention they paid to stressing
the fundamentals like they're kind of separate.

Speaker 4 (01:43:39):
Like if you want to say they were soft in
camp because they had X amount of days not in
pads or the day off here or what.

Speaker 9 (01:43:46):
I didn't really see any real difference.

Speaker 4 (01:43:49):
The only thing I would say is the outlier for
me between Belichick, Mayo and this year was Mayo was
on the field for longer than either Bill or Mike,
and I think they did nothing the last majority the
time they were on the field.

Speaker 9 (01:44:01):
It just took forever to get practice started.

Speaker 4 (01:44:04):
And that's why, just in terms of pure time elapsed
they were on the field longer, I don't.

Speaker 9 (01:44:09):
Think they did anything anymore.

Speaker 4 (01:44:13):
They used to go to the hill all the time
and run, and Mike chooses to run on the field
from the the goal line.

Speaker 9 (01:44:19):
Does that make it softer? Again?

Speaker 4 (01:44:21):
You can make that argument, But I want to know
where you saw these quotes that the fundamentals aren't being stressed.
What NFL coach says, if we turn it over, we're
good enough, Well we'll overcome it. He talks about the
three win rate factors, right, he talked about that last week.
Effort and turnovers and finish turnovers, quarterback rating and rush. Differentially,

(01:44:47):
those are the three factors he has in win rate.

Speaker 9 (01:44:50):
Turnovers.

Speaker 4 (01:44:52):
One of them you a minus four today. You lost
the game that you outgained. The other team three sixty
nine to two oh three. You should have won this
game going away today by two scores.

Speaker 9 (01:45:01):
Easy. You're going yourselves to blame.

Speaker 6 (01:45:05):
Looking ahead, we have a few seconds left in the show, Carolina.
I know you're excited for them to just get back
on the field. What a ten second takeaways for each
of you As.

Speaker 9 (01:45:14):
A approach Week four, I'd same message.

Speaker 12 (01:45:17):
Clean up the mistakes and see where you're at, and
hopefully Drake can continue to just get more comfortable and
that will then breed confidence and finish for him.

Speaker 9 (01:45:26):
And that's I think what it takes. But you got
to start with the turnovers. Just stop turning the ball over.
That's step one.

Speaker 7 (01:45:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:45:31):
I don't really think you need to get anything too
deep here. You're probably at worst on par with the
Carolina pants. You don't have to worry about being out
talented next week. But if you want to do this
and make life difficult on yourself, it's not going to
work again. It's not going to work next week either.
I saw that Michael Panics through two picks today for Atlanta.

(01:45:52):
My guess is that had something to do with them
taking a thirty point l Yeah, yeah, I mean the
margin is too small in that league. You know, that's
what I always bristle at the whole one score Almost
all of them are one score a lot of them.

Speaker 7 (01:46:05):
The majority of games, and won eight points still less. No,
I would go back to where I started. I'm gonna
look at Remandre and say, we need you, but we
don't need you to do what you did today. We
need you to do what you did two weeks ago.

Speaker 9 (01:46:23):
And that's how we're the best player on the field
against Miami, and.

Speaker 7 (01:46:26):
That's how you can help us win games. And then
I turned to the rest of the team. And by
the way, it's not just him, it's all of you.
You know we are. I believe we're better than what
we showed today.

Speaker 9 (01:46:40):
Young team.

Speaker 3 (01:46:42):
Uh, they're gonna there's gonna be some ups and downs.
They've got to eliminate the mistakes and improve and that
improvement needs to come incrementally every single week.

Speaker 6 (01:46:52):
No do on the head, sorry, Jackson, And right now
we see your call. Well we don't have any more
time in this show. But before we go, Pats fans
game day is here. It's still here, so stock up now.
Grab a refreshing Pepsi zero sugar twelve pack right now,
because tailgating deserves pepsi and also, finally a word from
one of our other friends. Nothing says football season like

(01:47:13):
firing up the grill in the backyard and having a cookout.
And the best cookouts have the best looking lawns, the
lawns that are cut with Aaron's mower. Aaron's the official
lawnmower of the New England Patriots. It's proud to help
Patriots fan get back to football. You can visit them
my www dot arians dot com to find your errands. Sorry,
Aaron's College. Just about there. All that being said, Thank you,

(01:47:35):
Fred Douce, Paul Matt, I'm Quannielynnis. Thank you all for
watching the Patriots postgame Show presented by DraftKings. Tough loss
this week, but we're hoping to bounce back next week.
Be right here on Patriots dot com.

Speaker 10 (01:47:47):
Thank you.

Speaker 4 (01:47:50):
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Speaker 10 (01:48:04):
Thanks a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:48:10):
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Speaker 9 (01:48:24):
I'm into the tangible numbers.

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Speaker 10 (01:48:26):
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