Patriots Postgame Show 9/28: Full Analysis of Patriots Week 4 Win Over the Panthers

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
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Hand off to Stevenson across the cuts forty five and
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Speaker 2 (00:31):
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Speaker 5 (00:38):
Welcome into the Patriots Postgame Show presented by DraftKings. After
a dominant performance against the Carolina Panthers final score forty
two to thirteen, Paul Parrillo dues, I'm Kwannie, lunis a
lot of excitement here. We're read to Lett Stadium, and
I think it's safe to say we are very satisfied
with the outcomes.

Speaker 6 (00:57):
What was that?

Speaker 7 (00:57):
What did I just watch?

Speaker 8 (00:58):
I'm not used to those kind of games, and I
got to be honest, Like the first drive of the game,
I was like Paul was like taking my shoelaces away.
They went right down the field on the Patriots on
that first drive and I was like, oh my god,
you gotta be kidding.

Speaker 7 (01:10):
I mean, let's be fair.

Speaker 8 (01:11):
This is the third game that they gave an opening
give touchdown and it wasn't even like I'm getting all
this negative stuff out of the figure.

Speaker 7 (01:20):
But you know, but they turn it around.

Speaker 8 (01:22):
I mean it was you get forced the punt, Marcus
Jones returns it and there was no looking back from
that point.

Speaker 7 (01:27):
So a great game for Marcus Jones.

Speaker 1 (01:29):
What I mean.

Speaker 8 (01:29):
He said a team record today with his punt return yardage,
and I think that about says it all.

Speaker 9 (01:34):
Yeah, I mean, it was one of those games where
I kind of got no little bickering contest with Fred
and Evan during the course of the week about just
how hard it is for this team to move the
ball and when you have to go fourteen fifteen plays
all the time. Today showed you the difference. You can
get some chunk plays, and obviously, you know it helps

(01:54):
to get a couple of them from your punt returner.
We actually got three of them from your punt returner today.
But they were able to do it offensively too, and
you know, Stefan Diggs Drake May that combination was really
good and we kind of called for that, Mike with
some of the numbers that you brought out during the week.
So just a really satisfying home win, much much needed

(02:15):
home win. And not only you've got it, but we
sort of talked about we don't want any yah butts.

Speaker 10 (02:21):
There were no ya butts.

Speaker 7 (02:23):
Yeah, but that.

Speaker 8 (02:23):
First draft, yeah yeah, but after all, it wasn't it
wasn't perfect, but this was a game that the Patriots
absolutely controlled.

Speaker 9 (02:31):
Once Marcus Jones returned that punt for a touchdown, they
would never in trouble again.

Speaker 5 (02:35):
And I think fred will be coming in here with
his doing it eventually to continue because he loves prediction was.

Speaker 9 (02:42):
Bought pretty close, Yeah, pretty close. I don't know it
might have been exact it. I know it was forty
something to like teams two. I forget what he picked,
but he definitely picked forties for the Patriots. And not
only that, he said not all the points will be
scored by the offense.

Speaker 7 (02:56):
Which even what's going on with Freddy, he's got to
feel for.

Speaker 10 (02:59):
The on a heater. It's on a heater. I told you.

Speaker 9 (03:03):
I told him upstairs when I gave him as props
as really when they said game recognize.

Speaker 10 (03:06):
His gamey as you said, good job by Freddy.

Speaker 5 (03:09):
No, this is a good one. I when we get
to the good, bad ugly, I'm sure we will not
be the ugly the injured.

Speaker 7 (03:14):
I keep on, I call him up the down and
now and keep going straight.

Speaker 5 (03:17):
We won't have that much bad to talk about. But
Drake may leaded fourteen of seventeen passes for two or
three yards, two touchdowns. We saw him running with the
celebration the Cam Newton Superman, which was really not to the.

Speaker 10 (03:29):
Old question that was to his boy.

Speaker 5 (03:33):
Yeah, but overall, what did you two think of his
performance in the development of his confidence throughout this game?

Speaker 8 (03:38):
Extremely efficient and very calm. I thought they did a
good job. Look, the Panthers don't have the greatest pass
rush in the world, but you can still give up
plays and you can still get up turnovers.

Speaker 7 (03:48):
He did neither of those. For the most part. He
was clean.

Speaker 8 (03:50):
I think he took one sack the whole game, and
it's just a you know, I think a credit to
Josh McDaniels too, that he's pushing the right buttons.

Speaker 7 (03:57):
Drake is spreading the ball around.

Speaker 8 (03:58):
It wasn't all Hunter Hen and Travon Henderson today or
Ramandro Stevenson.

Speaker 7 (04:02):
Like Paul said, you saw everybody get involved.

Speaker 8 (04:05):
Kind of a little bit of a breakout game for
Stefan Diggs that huge third down that was just such
a beautiful play. I mean, you know, you're seeing the
connection between those guys really starting to grow. But a
great game for Drake and really not turning the ball
over just such a big part of it. You felt
during the course of the game when Patriots were kind
of surging and pulling away and you're like, just don't
turn it over here. That is the way to hand

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all the momentum to Carolina and open the door. And
credit to the Patriots, they never opened the door for them.
From Marcus Jones first part return on.

Speaker 9 (04:33):
Good job running the ball today, I mean, and the
numbers aren't going to look great because they just kind
of predominantly ran the ball late in the game. But
you know, all three of their their normal ball carriers
averaged over four to carry. I thought all three of
them looked good. I thought, especially Stevenson and Gibson. I
thought running really hard. Henderson took advantage of his opportunities today.

(04:55):
I thought he scored it through some holes and they
did some misdirection stuff with him. You know, both Gibson
and Henderson had rushing touchdowns. I mean, this we can
start it. I mean I don't really think there's a
whole lot to nitpick here. Again, there was some things
defensively I didn't love in this game. But bottom line
is the offense was was really efficient in this in
this game forty two points and you know it was

(05:19):
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let's get right into it. The good, the bad.

Speaker 10 (05:58):
There's time for the good.

Speaker 6 (05:59):
For the good they.

Speaker 7 (06:03):
Pretty good?

Speaker 9 (06:04):
The bad?

Speaker 6 (06:05):
What happen and the injured?

Speaker 4 (06:07):
Ah ah, you are right guy, I've mastered though.

Speaker 5 (06:14):
Now should we start with the bad and then just
focus on the good for the rest of the game.
How do you guys want to do this today?

Speaker 10 (06:19):
No, we start with the good.

Speaker 5 (06:20):
Start, yeah, get to the bad.

Speaker 10 (06:24):
Yeah, I'm gonna let you lead it off. It's whatever
you want.

Speaker 7 (06:27):
Jones come on down.

Speaker 8 (06:28):
Absolutely, and not just the fact that he had book
three returns for one hundred and sixty five yards that numbers.

Speaker 7 (06:34):
Correct, just the quality of the returns, the way that
he did it does.

Speaker 9 (06:38):
The touchdown was absolutely insane, right, I'm insane.

Speaker 10 (06:42):
He had three guys in the black, guys.

Speaker 8 (06:44):
All around him, I mean the second one, the second
long one. Well, I guess let's say the person seeing it.

Speaker 10 (06:48):
Here, two guys right there and he just goes by
eighty one. Billy got a hand on him.

Speaker 8 (06:54):
He made it four guys right there, and then you know,
just have the vision even here too, uh, you know,
in the lanes down the field, and.

Speaker 7 (07:02):
If we can cueue up the second one, which is just.

Speaker 8 (07:04):
Man, I didn't think he was going to be able
to get out of that one, and he this one
was almost you know, he ends up all the way
over on the left side, right yeah, so I.

Speaker 11 (07:12):
Mean you get the corner here, everybody loves he turns
it out nuts, but like right here, it kind of
delay but still gets by him, stays on his feet,
keeps going, cuts it back and right here, you're like,
get in the end, zide.

Speaker 7 (07:23):
I guess he just got tripped up.

Speaker 9 (07:25):
But just the best stat to me was in the
second half he had sort of a terrific nineteen yard
part return yep, And you're like, especially kid, do right,
nineteen yards is a really really good punt return. Like,
if you're a good part return, you averaged like ten
of return and he had nineteen and it was like, oh,

(07:47):
what happened?

Speaker 10 (07:48):
What happened on that one? Just electric?

Speaker 9 (07:51):
You know what I think of him as a return man, Mike,
you saw it all on display.

Speaker 5 (07:55):
It should be noted Julian Edelman tweeting during the game, saying,
what a game for twenty five. Obviously he's always tuned in,
but there you go. Love a nod from a former
pat player.

Speaker 6 (08:04):
Too, okay, and a great punt returner exactly.

Speaker 5 (08:07):
There was a reply saying, he's coming for your title.
But I don't think he's quite there yet.

Speaker 10 (08:11):
I think he's already better.

Speaker 7 (08:13):
Okay.

Speaker 10 (08:14):
I've never seen a guy return punts.

Speaker 9 (08:15):
I mean I would go back to maybe Mike Haynes,
and that's like a hundred years ago.

Speaker 10 (08:19):
No, No, I'm talking about Patriots. He's like, wait a minute,
I'm not talking about like you.

Speaker 9 (08:23):
Know, ever every Yeah, I think Marcus Jones is absolutely
electric with the ball in his hands.

Speaker 10 (08:28):
He's so hard to tackle. Yeah. I would hope you
have a hard time saying anything different than Mike.

Speaker 7 (08:34):
Now.

Speaker 8 (08:35):
Hope he can just continue to help them with these
kind of plays because it was, it really was. He
was the turning point today and it's such a huge weapon.
I mean, it's strange to think you go back to
twenty twenty three when he had to walk off against
the Jets.

Speaker 7 (08:48):
He's he tends to have good returns, but today he
was special.

Speaker 9 (08:51):
Yeah, And I would just say, you know, it's it's
forty two to freak. Can I just ask him specifically,
by the way, what was your forty one to ten
and critically something into teams.

Speaker 10 (09:00):
I know, it was really clear, right.

Speaker 5 (09:01):
Who do you know and how do we get in
touch with them?

Speaker 6 (09:04):
It's a feel for the leagu Fred, It's a feel
for the league.

Speaker 10 (09:08):
Yeah, this was This was a good one.

Speaker 9 (09:09):
And not only I gave you props to you said
forty forty one and you said, but not all those points.

Speaker 10 (09:14):
Would be scored by the offense, didn't I yes, you did.

Speaker 1 (09:17):
I gave you.

Speaker 10 (09:18):
Gave you props for that too.

Speaker 9 (09:19):
I'm going to go with Stefan Diggs of my my
first one, seven targets, six catches, one hundred and one
yards long of thirty three terrific third and fifteen conversion.
I want to say the first drive of the second half,
you know what's sort of I mean, I know the
game was over.

Speaker 10 (09:35):
At the half, but like it.

Speaker 9 (09:37):
It just it sets the tone like nothing to worry
about here, We're gonna come out and we're going to
move the ball in the second half to I thought
that decision for Josh McDaniels and Drake May to get
the ball downfield a little bit to him. He had
a fourth down late in the game on a back
shoulder play. This this was kind of what we were
hoping for with Diggs. I think there could be a

(09:58):
different kind of weapon. And for once, the idiots in
the media like you and I Mike called for something
during the course of the week that actually happened.

Speaker 10 (10:07):
You know, Can we seem to.

Speaker 9 (10:09):
Get Digs a little bit more involved and try to
get the ball a little bit more downfield, a little
bit more often. So I thought it was a kind
of a time machine performance with Stefan Diggs today and
really impressive.

Speaker 7 (10:21):
It's a great way to put it.

Speaker 8 (10:22):
I mean, just that third down you mentioned down the sideline,
that to me is what Stefan Diggs has been doing
to the Patriots.

Speaker 7 (10:26):
Those are the ones that rip your heart out. This
is it right here, you're taking a look at it.
But just great timing. You can see the Chemist four
That was a fourth fourth down.

Speaker 8 (10:33):
Yeah yeah, but this is what you were hoping for
when you got Stefan Diggs. And here we are week
four coming off in acl things are starting to pick
up a little bit.

Speaker 7 (10:43):
Him and Drake got to be feeling good today about
this connection.

Speaker 10 (10:45):
Yeah, speaking of which, Drake may come on down.

Speaker 8 (10:49):
You're on the good list, absolutely, Just you know, just
nice to see Drake. I mean, look, we've seen him
be calm in the pocket and look composed and like
he knows what he's doing. I mean it really has
looked that way since the spring. You've had occasional errors
and brain farts from him today other than maybe a
couple that he maybe underthrew.

Speaker 7 (11:05):
Otherwise, I mean he completed what eighty percent of his.

Speaker 10 (11:07):
Past fourteen or seventeen.

Speaker 8 (11:09):
I mean, he was just on and he's seeing the offense,
and I just think as a Patriots fan bringing Josh
McDaniels back, you have to feel encouraged. He's responding to
the system. He's passing it around. Everything you could ask
from Drake May and your two was on display today
and there was no oh, shoot, didn't mean to throw
that interception, or oh shoot, didn't mean to try to
make something out of nothing and get stripsacked again. You

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see him, You saw him put it all together today,
and if he continues to play like this, the Patriots.

Speaker 7 (11:35):
Are are going to start to build something here.

Speaker 5 (11:37):
I got to add Bergaliss, of course to the list.
Granted we didn't get the field goals that we predicted
earlier in the game, but six on six for extra
points very much needed. Again, in the NFL, it's expected
that you make those kicks, but in a game like this,
we talk about being the best of the worst.

Speaker 6 (11:52):
He's not expected. So that's exactly so.

Speaker 5 (11:55):
Now it just proves that this is something that he's
capable of doing, and we need to see that for
the rest of the season.

Speaker 8 (12:00):
He was fairly consistent, missing one one here there all
the summer long, so I was I was kind of
pulling for him all day just to be perfect and
again be part of the whole team.

Speaker 7 (12:08):
Today, to take something positive away.

Speaker 8 (12:10):
So you've got, you know, the kicking game, the special teams, uh,
and the offense certainly had a number of things that they.

Speaker 5 (12:15):
Can help Panthers. Fitzgerald wasn't doing anything for them.

Speaker 8 (12:19):
For the Panthers, that seem like the I mean, I
guess I got to dig a little deeper, but it
didn't seem like the knuckleball kickoffs really.

Speaker 10 (12:27):
Well, he only kicked off twice, So there you go,
Thank you, Paul.

Speaker 9 (12:33):
Yeah, I'm glad when they just show when you were
talking about Drake May Chris had a little montage of
a couple of early plays, and I'm glad he included one.
It was that little uh leak to Austin Hooper. So
the first drive of the game, they go three and
out and then Marcus Jones returns the punt. So really
haven't done anything on offense yet, And it was a
great drive starter to Austin Hooper on that play, and

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then I thought he did a really nice job and
the reason why I have Hooper on my list, So
this is a nice, you know, great way. This is
the first of three straight chunk plays on this drive,
and he ends it with a terrific block you know
to to finish off on the TV. Hooper was involved
when I think May kind of scooed it around the
corner and he was a receiver and he turned and

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recognized and he did a nice job of shielding off.
I want to say number thirty two for the Panthers.
So I thought Austin Hooper thought his role at the
beginning of this game was a little bit bigger. I
think that they maybe wanted to limit Hunter Henry and
his snaps a little bit. So I had I had
Hooper on my list because I thought he was ready
to go on that first touchdown drive.

Speaker 8 (13:37):
I love that try to Paul just to say, you know,
Hooper at the twenty four yard er.

Speaker 10 (13:41):
I think they had three three straight twenty yards.

Speaker 8 (13:44):
And then you had Rimandre for twenty two. So three
straight chunkies twenty plus yarders.

Speaker 9 (13:49):
That's what we call him Fred. We don't call him
X places. We might call him chunks.

Speaker 5 (13:54):
I had X plays written in my notes.

Speaker 7 (13:56):
We call him chunkies now.

Speaker 8 (13:58):
But there were a number of those plays, number of
those plays today of may having time seeing the field
and finding the receiver. I mean those catches they showed
with digs.

Speaker 9 (14:06):
I mean, this is the difference when you run the
ball the way they did today. They never really got
in any passing situations. They had like one third and
fifteen after the holding call in that drive. They were
in manageable down in distance all day and they had
no pressure.

Speaker 6 (14:20):
You just said it. He had time.

Speaker 12 (14:22):
And that's something we talked about all week, is that
the Panthers pass for USh is really not getting there.

Speaker 9 (14:27):
But they only threw it seventeen times. So when you
stay out of long long, they're not going to be
able to get any pressure on you. Because you didn't
have to pass today. You passed when you wanted to today,
and that's I agree with you guys that there was
no pressure on him at all. Nice job by the
offensive line. Nice job by Ben Brown stepping in for
Jared Wilson. I thought he had a good block. I
think he pushed. He basically carried Henderson into the end

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zone on his touchdown. Ron he did a good job
with the push on that. So give those guys up
front and you're right, Fred. They only had one sack
and now they have two, but they had no pres
We had pressure, no pressure at all today. I thought
the offensive line was was up to the task.

Speaker 5 (15:04):
Another thing I'd add to the good list. And so
this is double fold. So, as we mentioned in the
pre games throughout, William just now it being announced that
he is fighting prostay cancer. So of course today was
also the crucial catch game for the Patriots, and it
was kind of serendipitous because this was the apparently the
first game that in the home game that they were
able to do it. But also the fact that is

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at core we know him now being the play caller
caller in this right now filling in but being able
to get some good defensive plays, not that there was
much to defend with Carolina, but those coming in twofold.
I thought it was kind of like a heartfelt moment
of while you're you're really doing this thing.

Speaker 12 (15:40):
Yeah, I could all tie it in, yeah exactly, all
tie in. Yeah, yeah, I you know, I thought, are
you done with your goods?

Speaker 6 (15:46):
He no.

Speaker 9 (15:48):
I wanted to point out the running backs too, I thought.
I thought, Gibson and Stevenson I thought, ran really hard
in this game. Again the number, you know, nine for
thirty eight for Stevenson, six for twenty seven Gibson both
over four yards to carry, and those numbers kind of
dropped because at the end of the game they were
just running the clock out, running the ball into the line,
and you.

Speaker 10 (16:08):
Know, they weren't getting much.

Speaker 9 (16:09):
But I thought, and you know that drive that you're
talking about, Stevenson rips off a twenty two yarder. Gibson
had a long run in there as well, a twenty
one yarder. I think on the next drive, I thought,
the running backs give him a lift today and after
last week, I mean, let's call it like it was,
there was some pressure on that group today. They needed

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to hold on to the football and they did so.
I wanted to point out those running backs and Henderson
chipped in with three seven for thirty two. You know,
that's the kind of stuff that I think he can provide.
That little you know, not end around, but a little
misdirection play that he got like six yards on. So
I thought he gave them a little bit of a
spark too. So the running game was really good today.

Speaker 5 (16:50):
Would you attribute that through the O line primarily or
was it a combination of them and also the running
backs stuff.

Speaker 9 (16:56):
We went into the game thinking Carolina is averaging almost
six yards allowed per Cower, you'd better be able to
run the ball today. Well, they ran the ball today.
They ran the ball against the bad run defense, and
that allowed. As I said, Drake made a pick and
choose when he threw the ball, not having to drop
back thirty five forty times in some long yarded situations.
They really didn't face any bad down in distant situations today.

Speaker 8 (17:18):
Yeah, I'm just gonna put Hunter Henry up there because
I mean, he only had two catches, but I thought
both catches, including the touchdown that he ran along the sidelines,
he just continues to deliver, and maybe the bar should
be a little higher because he always seems to deliver.
But those two catches were important. Conversion down there at
the goal line. He didn't quite get in, but got
them there, set up the score and then to you know,

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bring in another score. Himself got three touchdowns, already had
two last year. I mean, Hunter Henry just continues to deliver.
Wasn't a prolific day for him, but just a solid,
solid day for one of the leaders on this team.
And you know a guy that it was nice, like
it was a little less work for him today. We
got to focus on some of the receivers a little
bit more.

Speaker 7 (17:56):
But I don't know. I still wonder if he got it,
did break the player and.

Speaker 9 (18:05):
First, yeah, that would be if he got and that's
when he got in.

Speaker 12 (18:08):
I don't think, Okay, keeping.

Speaker 10 (18:13):
In the way now, Yeah, so it's.

Speaker 6 (18:16):
I think from deduction he got in.

Speaker 7 (18:19):
He is one of the tasting plays, you know, like.

Speaker 6 (18:23):
This was a close game, open, a.

Speaker 13 (18:25):
Perfect not today personally, that's all I kind of have specifically,
you know, there's definitely some individual plays I think that
are working.

Speaker 10 (18:40):
I had talking about I thought bar more early in
the game. The defense.

Speaker 9 (18:43):
Wait, this is one of those things like and I'm
going to get made fun of during the course of
the week. I don't think the defense played great today.
I really don't. I think a bad offense moved the
ball pretty consistently against you, and they just kept stalling
when they got to the forty because they're a bad
offense and they had no weapons. They had one guy.

Speaker 8 (18:59):
I don't know if they really wanted to play to
the either part.

Speaker 7 (19:02):
That's another I don't know.

Speaker 10 (19:07):
So the first drive they go right down the field.

Speaker 9 (19:10):
The second drive they moving down the field and Barbore
makes a big play to bat down a pass on
second down, which sort of got them behind the chains.
They end up getting off the field. The next drive,
I think Harold Landry got some pressure on Bryce Young
and McMillan was open on the play and he ended
up one hopping them because I think Landry affected his throw.
So while I don't think the defense was great today,

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I think individually there was some plays here and there
that really turned the tide in the Patriots favor. And
then obviously Marcus Jones and the offense get going and
you end up getting some separation. But you know what
you look at at the end of the game, and
this isn't like garbage time. At the end, they got
out gained today and out first down today, and it
wasn't just the last drive, like going into that drive,
they they had given up more. I mean in the

(19:52):
first downs on the first drive in the first half,
they got out gained and they were getting blown out.
Like again that's because of the Marcus Jones factor. But defensively,
they continue to get off to these slow starts. I
think that's a concern.

Speaker 7 (20:06):
I was gonna piggyback on that.

Speaker 8 (20:07):
I don't know if he's on the list, but Chase
On I felt like was involved in that kind of
sequence that you talked about. Barmore had the pass rush
you mentioned on second down, Chase On had the stop
on third down to get off the field, and then
two possessions later on third and sixteen he had the
sack or sorry, he had the sack on a third
and down to back them up.

Speaker 7 (20:26):
You know.

Speaker 8 (20:26):
So I just a couple different plays where I thought
they came through in the clutch and it's just it's
a weird defense. I said to Evid at one point,
I was like, you know, when you get him into
they have to pass situation. I feel pretty good about
the Patriots defense, but when it's conventional and then they
can kind of run or pass. It seems like there's
not as much pressure, like they were able to kind
of deal to the flats and get quick passes out
move the ball. But then as soon as the mistake

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happens and they get into the third along, it's like
all right now.

Speaker 9 (20:51):
But like even that, like when I say and again,
I know people are gonna be like, you kild me
to give up thirteen points or you do, Like even
like the one sack that they had to day, probably
shan't just fell down like he's he's dropping back and
instead of he tries to escape and he trips over
his own feet.

Speaker 8 (21:07):
You know, it's just like, well there were a couple
of third downs, like they were still in the game
and they're just running draws.

Speaker 7 (21:12):
Just it seemed it didn't seem like they were really interesting.

Speaker 9 (21:15):
Capitulation comes to mind, like on the second Marcus Jones
was like they looked at each other and said, it
ain't gonna happen today. We're going to be two and
eighteen in our last twenty road games.

Speaker 5 (21:27):
Ou I know we talk about it, but for bad
do we want to add penalties again?

Speaker 7 (21:33):
Earlier?

Speaker 12 (21:37):
No one else says, you know, early on, when it
was still a game, I was looking at trying to think, okay,
who want defense played pretty well.

Speaker 6 (21:47):
I put Spillane up there.

Speaker 12 (21:49):
I think, you know, he had some pretty good stops,
and I put Craig Woodson in there.

Speaker 6 (21:53):
He flashed a little bit. He's especially in the.

Speaker 10 (21:55):
Rust coming up on another list, especially in the run game.

Speaker 12 (21:59):
I think I saw thirty one get his nose in
there a few times, so I give him credit for that.

Speaker 6 (22:04):
You mentioned the running backs, Paul.

Speaker 12 (22:05):
I didn't think you would, because I think you know,
you were gonna say, well, they did what they're supposed
to do.

Speaker 6 (22:11):
Well.

Speaker 10 (22:11):
They did, but they did it well.

Speaker 12 (22:12):
But I give them credit, and I give Gonzo credit
for playing the whole game, you know, until they took
the starters out. Good to see that, you know, again,
that's what he's supposed to do. But I just think
it was good that he was out there and it
was playing every play.

Speaker 9 (22:26):
Yeah, I should we should have mentioned that. I agree
with you, because that's exactly what we talked about. So
now he's a little bit more prepared going forward, right,
you know, not because I don't think he was great,
but the fact that he was out there as much
as he was. I think is gonna make him better
next week playing against Buffalo, who again doesn't have great receivers,
but it's a great offense. So you're gonna have to

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You're gonna need Gonzo.

Speaker 6 (22:48):
Yeah, getting warmed up, go ahead with your with your bads, right.

Speaker 8 (22:53):
I'll go just the defensive start, I mean, And that's
like I said, third time in four games that they've
allowed just an opening drive right down the field. I mean,
this wasn't even like competitive. There was no third downs.
It was just ten yards ten yards, ten yards pretty
much right down the field.

Speaker 7 (23:06):
I don't know if that's not.

Speaker 8 (23:08):
Ready to play wrong schematic idea going into the game,
but they've got to figure out a way the underneath
the start is a faster yeah, I mean, and.

Speaker 10 (23:17):
I think all this stuff is a problem.

Speaker 9 (23:19):
What like, they generally make adjustments against the run, and
they start off being leaky against the run, and something
changes now today I think the second half was a
little irrelevant in terms of stopping the run. The numbers
against the run today were not good. But that's about
the only thing I can say that they do reasonably
well is they've stopped the run I think anything the
other team wants to do throwing the ball they can do.

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And Woodson, you have two touchdowns like so I couldn't
put him on the good list. I agree with you,
and to piggyback on your point three touchdowns on the
opening drive the one game they didn't allow one, they
had a three and ozho against Miami the second drive
went touchdown. So whatever they're doing with their game plans,
if it's Mike Rabel, if it's Zach koorr they need

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they need to fit, we get well, we get the
actual player of the game today.

Speaker 6 (24:08):
Wow.

Speaker 5 (24:08):
Nice, let's bring him right in.

Speaker 14 (24:13):
What's up? How you guys doing?

Speaker 10 (24:16):
First question? Are you tired?

Speaker 5 (24:17):
Seriously?

Speaker 14 (24:20):
I little exhausted and everything like that, but uh, definitely
can run a little more.

Speaker 8 (24:25):
Marcus, I just got to ask you, it's amazing to
me how many players are around you when you feel
the ball and you just have this innate sense to
get away from guys. And when we counted four players
on that first part return you took to the house.
Where does that come from? How did you develop that
skill to just be so good in traffic?

Speaker 7 (24:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 14 (24:44):
So, like man, I was blessed enough to end up
having a you know, a father that you know, he
taught me in the situation of catching punts and everything,
so I always had an offensive mind as well. So
I'm kind of fearless back there and everything.

Speaker 10 (24:58):
So that's kind of like my mentality.

Speaker 14 (25:00):
I'm trying to return everything.

Speaker 5 (25:02):
Marcus, what would you say when it comes to your preparation,
whether it was film or just in practice, helped you
prepare to take advantage and exploit this Panthers overall today?

Speaker 14 (25:12):
Yeah, Man, first off of spring, man, like when it
comes to special teams, Man, he always gives us the
inside scoop of certain things that can happen. And then also, man,
my teammates, like we every single time we're back there,
we're trying to score. That's the main thing. We're trying
to get the offense in a good position. We always
talk about getting the first first down for the offense.
And you know, when you got guys that you know,

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the other ten guys that want to make sure everyone's
blocked and you know, make sure we get in the
end zone is so important. So I commend those guys
so much for you know, laying it all on the
line every single time that we were able to return
the ball.

Speaker 12 (25:48):
Marcus, Has anyone let you know that you now hold
the franchise record for a single game punt return yardage.

Speaker 14 (25:55):
Yeah, people have been telling me, and I was just like, man,
that's crazy. You know, that's a blessing or but whenever
I was out there, I wasn't thinking about that.

Speaker 6 (26:02):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 10 (26:03):
Like, it was just like, You're just out there.

Speaker 14 (26:05):
Trying to put the team in the best spot possible.

Speaker 12 (26:08):
And the guy that had the records or Hall of
Famer Mike Kynes. So it's somethingth ye.

Speaker 7 (26:14):
Mark, It's crazy.

Speaker 8 (26:15):
Just what can a win like this do for a
young team like you guys, a lot of young players,
new coaching staff. What can this do for you guys
as you get ready to head to Buffalo next week?

Speaker 14 (26:25):
It means a lot being able to end up getting
a win. In the National Football League in general, you
know it's hard to win, but whenever you're going into
the next week with a divisional opponent, you know, momentum
is real, but we know it's a little different whenever
it comes down to playing in the division. So especially
playing in Buffalo, you know it's hard to win out there.
You know, their fan base is loud and definitely have

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people in certain situations to where it can make it
uncomfortable for a lot of people. But you know we're
going to prepare and get ready for next week.

Speaker 9 (26:55):
So Marcus, you had three returns today and the worst
one went for nineteen yards. If you ever had a
game where the worst return you had went for nineteen yards.

Speaker 10 (27:06):
No, I don't think so.

Speaker 6 (27:08):
No, I don't think so. Will you be making music
about this? I won't be. I won't be.

Speaker 14 (27:15):
I won't be.

Speaker 7 (27:15):
That's a great question. It looked like music on the fields.
I gotta tell you, it was.

Speaker 12 (27:21):
Music to our eyes. All right, well, listen, we'll let
you get back to your teammates. Thanks for joining us,
enjoy the celebration.

Speaker 14 (27:31):
Go sure, Thank you guys so much.

Speaker 6 (27:35):
Seriously nice. Get by pr.

Speaker 9 (27:39):
Is a silly game, like when you think about three
returns all big plays.

Speaker 10 (27:43):
Yeah, and that first one.

Speaker 9 (27:45):
I actually at halftime, I'm walking through the press box
and you know, I'm going to get a whoopie pie, Mike,
if you must a whoopy pie, tupac Okay, So I
bump into Elliott Wolf and I was like, that first
return was ridiculous. He just looks at me, goes you
just just special. Just he's a special, special player. And
I was like, that's what, like you can't teach, like

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you're like, where do you get Like it's just kind
of innate.

Speaker 10 (28:09):
You had two guys bearing down on you.

Speaker 9 (28:12):
I don't know how many guys called very catch in
that spot and it would have been probably the right move,
but he just is able to squirt free and then
he changes directly, kind of got spun on the mistackle
and went back the other way and back out the
back door.

Speaker 12 (28:26):
When you look at from the end zone camera as
he's coming, it's it's amazing how he kept his balance
on the sideline and stayed in because a couple of
times I thought it was I don't know, just amazing balance.

Speaker 9 (28:39):
So that was the other one, right that you're talking
about sixty whatever. Yeah, I mean, like I said, it's
amazing that you have those kinds of plays and they're
considered the other plays in this game because he was
so good.

Speaker 8 (28:50):
You guys have watched football for a while and you've
seen good punt returns, the great ones though it's every game,
they're a problem, you know, can we develop that? And
he's a problem every GAMEY game, it's like, oh, crap,
don't kick it to that guy.

Speaker 9 (29:02):
Like I know, I get my man crushes and stuff,
and he's one of them. But I do feel every
time they punt the ball to him that that can happen.
And I do, and it's a legitimate feeling, and I
you know, I don't always have that for you know,
it's not like a Patriots thing.

Speaker 10 (29:16):
It's just it's it's a market shone.

Speaker 6 (29:17):
It's a good hands, courage, field vision, being able to.

Speaker 9 (29:23):
See decision making. You literally see him, you know, make
a bad choice.

Speaker 7 (29:27):
Yeah, Courage is a great one though, Red, because that's
when I asked him the question. I'm like, there are
just people all around you.

Speaker 10 (29:33):
You're looking up.

Speaker 7 (29:34):
I mean, it's just such a hard skill.

Speaker 8 (29:36):
And I guess shout out to his dad, who I
know is a listens to our show sometimes even bet filter.
So maybe he picked up some punt tips from us,
you know, maybe it's can call in and tell us
what you had to do so I could do with
my son today, who had by the way, so that
was that was just a work stop.

Speaker 12 (29:53):
Now, did you get any sense like if he hadn't
returned that first one like, oh this could this could
have been a game.

Speaker 9 (30:00):
Yes, even retrospect, I even knowing what happened over the
next fifty minutes. Fred, the other team took the ball
and went right down the field. Then they forced to
three and out. Then they took the ball and they
went partly down the field, and then they punted in
a lot of eighty seven yard part return. I think
that changed the entire complexion of the game. Had they
gone three and out again and the Panthers take over,

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say around say their own forty, they were moving the ball.

Speaker 6 (30:25):
Yeah, so it might.

Speaker 9 (30:27):
I mean I was thinking, you get down too school.
I don't care who you're playing, you get down two schools,
you can lose, right, you know.

Speaker 10 (30:33):
So yes, the short answer to that is yes.

Speaker 7 (30:36):
Yeah, it wasn't a lot.

Speaker 8 (30:37):
But I think you saw in the win against Miami,
and you see a little bit here where the Patriots
have taken a couple of punches and they've had to
bounce back a little bit. Not as much today, But
I agree with the point early on that it looked bad.
I mean I was up there beside myself. I didn't
expect that. I mean, I thought I.

Speaker 7 (30:53):
Was hopeful that maybe the end result would look like this,
but early.

Speaker 8 (30:56):
On it looked like it was going to be a
game and it just, you know, again slow starts on
defense something they gotta be.

Speaker 9 (31:01):
Yeah, I mean, for a guy that's been struggling and
Bryce Young, I thought he looked awfully comfortable for the
majority of the game. And then finally they got some
separation and got him in some must passing situations and
then he looked, Yes, he looked a little problem. He
looked a little skittish at that point, but it wasn't
always like that. I thought he looked, he looked pretty
comfortable in this game.

Speaker 8 (31:19):
It's totally good stretches to feel like, man, if we
get them in third long, I like our chances where
you know, conventionally third and six.

Speaker 9 (31:27):
Even then, like they were missing the two best to
the second to two and three right and they lose.
They lose four in the first play of the game,
like they just had no They hit the ball in
space to their tight ends.

Speaker 8 (31:40):
They who just couldn't do anything with it. Well, Tommy
Trumble's I mean, he's a solid player.

Speaker 9 (31:45):
They glorified blockers like and I mean they had Tremaine
had three for thirty six. Tremble had five for forty two,
Evans had three for twenty three. But these guys caught
a lot of these passes in space and the first
guy just would chase him down tackle them because they
weren't dynamic. But I mean, I think Sanders, Jatavian Sanders,
I think may have been they may.

Speaker 10 (32:05):
Have more of a going concern.

Speaker 7 (32:06):
I mean, he was a big part. And that's what
I was worried about.

Speaker 8 (32:08):
Two weeks ago against the Cardinals, they were down twenty
seven to three and they made a furious comeback, and
you know, we're kicking on sides, kick to try to
you know, to try to win it at the end.

Speaker 7 (32:19):
So I was a little bit worried about that. But
Sanders was such a.

Speaker 8 (32:21):
Big part of getting them back into the game, and
I think that really hurt him.

Speaker 7 (32:24):
That was a place I think they could have exploited
the Patriots defense.

Speaker 6 (32:27):
A little bit.

Speaker 9 (32:27):
Like if that if that's like an athlete in space
right there, there's a lot of space when he's catching
that ball.

Speaker 7 (32:32):
Look at this, Look at all the green Yeah.

Speaker 6 (32:34):
Yeah, it's they need the underneath stuffs the problem.

Speaker 7 (32:38):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, lots of the flats it's too much.

Speaker 12 (32:42):
Whether they're giving them too much cushion or they're guessing
wrong or whatever, there's too too much space.

Speaker 10 (32:49):
To you appoint Fred.

Speaker 9 (32:50):
The last two weeks, you're playing offenses that don't really
push the ball downfield.

Speaker 10 (32:53):
Yeah, So why is there so much cushion.

Speaker 6 (32:55):
Underneath right right? I don't know.

Speaker 9 (32:59):
And then they did try a fourth down in the
second half. They went down the field and they had
them and you overthrew McMillan down the sideline. It's just
too easy right there, that's just pitching catch.

Speaker 7 (33:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (33:09):
Wait to your point though, So you don't think they
had the best defensive performance, but something really did shift
from that slow start.

Speaker 6 (33:16):
Well, the big lead, Yeah, it's Marcus explay.

Speaker 8 (33:22):
Yeah, they were, they were hanging on And I mean,
I think a lot of teams you get them in
that position, they're going to start to play even better.
And I think Carolina looked at their injuries and what
they had, and I you know, I just saw a
down shift in the intensity, especially on those third downplays
from like you're running a draw right here, like the
game is hanging by a thread and you're kind of
just it.

Speaker 9 (33:41):
Was like third and ten from the Patriots forty and
they ran a draw and I'm like, what do we
like that? Are we trying to win the game? And
it was like seven to six at the time, it
wasn't the game wasn't over.

Speaker 8 (33:50):
Yeah, strange, but Patriots to give up one hundred yards
rushing for the first time, So, you know, I think
sometimes I like to get rid of like those kind
of stats were like they're having a lot one hundred
yard rusher becau it just gives you this false sense
of like, well, they're amazing. Then I think that all
aspects of the defense needs.

Speaker 9 (34:05):
To twenty eight and twenty nine average four point six
to carry. But again, I do think some of that
was piled up in the second half when they were
kind of playing soft.

Speaker 8 (34:13):
Yeah, well that's why I like just getting rid of
the number, Like we don't have to hear about them
one hundred yardstor anymore. But if we're sticking on the bads,
I would just throw kind of kind of double dip.
I don't think the tackling was great again. I thought
there were a lot of miss tackles.

Speaker 10 (34:26):
The linebackers continue to struggle, like.

Speaker 8 (34:28):
Three people need to get on every tackle, and I
mean and to their credit, I think this is something
that's statistically backed up that they missed tackles, but they
don't give up a lot of yards afterwards because they
do fly to the ball.

Speaker 6 (34:38):
Guys swarming.

Speaker 7 (34:39):
Yeah, but they're not taking guys down there.

Speaker 8 (34:41):
They're losing critical yardage that in games that are close,
that's going to be the difference in the game. So
I think the tackling and then look two for two
in the red zone, it is what it is. You know,
the end, it was Andy Dalton and stuff, but still
two drives in the red zone, no stop. So that
that's continues to be an issue for this defense, tackling zone, to.

Speaker 5 (35:00):
See them execute in the red zone for that, yeah, improve.

Speaker 8 (35:03):
Well, sometimes these drives, it just feels like it's already determined,
like they're gonna score on this drive. It doesn't feel
like they're gonna give up a few plays and then
we're gonna throw the brakes on the old bend, don't break.
It feels like we're gonna break this drive, but you know,
next drive, maybe we'll catch it.

Speaker 7 (35:16):
So areas for improvement, for sure.

Speaker 9 (35:18):
I would say short yardage two. You know, it seemed
like they were all conversions today. Yeah, and I would
throw Carlton Davis. You know, a couple of penalties in
the first half. I mentioned to play down the sideline
that McMillan was open deep. That was Carlton Davis in coverage.
You kind of got a little fortunate that the ball
was overthrown. So there's still things to work on defensively, especially.

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That's why I think we got to call Freddy in
the pregame show. You know, at what point does the
defense sort of start to look side eyed at the
offense for costing them games? And I was like, when
they start playing well, you know, because that does happen
on teams where one side of the ball is playing
consistently well. That hasn't been the case so far. I
think the offense has played better than the defense over
the vast majority of the four games. Certainly was the

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case today. The offense was excellent today.

Speaker 12 (36:03):
Did you want to add anything, fred No, I think
I think we've said it all when it comes to
the bad.

Speaker 5 (36:09):
That's good. By the way, you got a few emails
specifically mentioning you we have Anthony and Seattle and you
want thirteen more guarantees from you.

Speaker 6 (36:17):
Now, I only do it when I feel it. That's
the feeling. Okay, it's the key.

Speaker 5 (36:20):
You can't force the feeling.

Speaker 10 (36:21):
Everybody forget that he picks the Patriots every week.

Speaker 6 (36:24):
But I don't it. I don't lock it.

Speaker 9 (36:26):
That to me, the impressive part was the score. Well,
you basically nailed the score and it was not a convention,
Like people don't say forty two thirteen to a team
that's won three out of nineteen times at home, Adam,
since the teams to you, good Sir.

Speaker 5 (36:41):
Adam, and Louisiana calls you feel for the league curse.
So that's the new nickname here on the show.

Speaker 6 (36:47):
Real Fred.

Speaker 10 (36:48):
That's to me.

Speaker 9 (36:49):
The impressive part is Patriots are going to win today.
Frand says forty one to ten for a team that's
won three out of nineteen times at home and thirteen,
that's a that's a There are predictions, you know, like
predicting that the Giants are going to beat the Chargers
as an example, someone did that.

Speaker 5 (37:08):
I don't know why would they do that.

Speaker 9 (37:10):
And by predicting that the Saints would cover against Buffalo
someone else did that too, But one to ten was
your prediction. They won forty two to thirteen. That's pretty good,
my friend.

Speaker 5 (37:22):
He pretty pretty good.

Speaker 10 (37:26):
So a couple a couple injuries.

Speaker 9 (37:28):
Yes, I don't believe it might have been score related,
but Jalen Hawkins was announced with a hamstring in the
third quarter.

Speaker 10 (37:34):
I don't believe he came back. May have been.

Speaker 9 (37:38):
Score related, though, who knows. So something to keep an
eye on. Davis and Charles Woods both left the game.
I think, you know, I know Davis came back. I
think Charles Woods was involved in.

Speaker 12 (37:51):
The just came back is good because it was a
head injury, so that means he's okay.

Speaker 10 (37:56):
They announced that, they didn't announce anything.

Speaker 6 (37:58):
That's what I heard. He hit it head on the
ground or something like that.

Speaker 10 (38:01):
I don't know.

Speaker 8 (38:02):
He he just seems like he's battling through stuff a
lot like we were Matt handling him his career, right.
He just he's always battling through stuff all training camp.
You know, would would be out a couple of days
here and there. So he seems pretty tough. But you know,
hopefully you can get healthy at some point this season.

Speaker 5 (38:20):
Okay, I think we got through all three. Yeah, yeah,
kept it pretty pretty positive. I like it.

Speaker 12 (38:26):
I mean, we don't care but Panthers guys were going down.
They were going down falling.

Speaker 9 (38:32):
Snow, which is another example by the way of the
Mike Mike do So, Panthers had a little bit of
a capitulation today.

Speaker 10 (38:40):
Guys were going down left and right.

Speaker 1 (38:41):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 7 (38:42):
A lot of interries to the Panthers.

Speaker 8 (38:44):
I mean right off the first play, first offensive play,
they ran that little ender round to that guy and
then he got carted off.

Speaker 12 (38:51):
Elbow tough. Must have been a bad elbow man. He
never got up off the ground.

Speaker 9 (38:57):
He's given the thumbs up on the side because he
was getting carted off, and I'm like, with an elbow,
I mean, I'm sure it was a bad elbow injury.

Speaker 7 (39:07):
Oh yeah, although.

Speaker 9 (39:08):
They didn't originally announce him as questionable to return, so
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (39:13):
I might be getting ahead of myself. But from this
win today, what would you guys want to see replicated
as they go and face the bills big place.

Speaker 6 (39:21):
I'll give you one.

Speaker 12 (39:22):
Yeah, no turnovers, Let's replicate that everywhere.

Speaker 8 (39:28):
Yeah yeah, just I mean that's huge, just to continue
to cut down on the on the on the turnovers.

Speaker 7 (39:33):
The penalties would be great too. I mean, it's still
a high volume.

Speaker 8 (39:37):
You can kind of brush those under the rug today
because they won big, but you get into close games,
these are where this is. Yeah, these are the game
of inches where it counts. So, you know, I think
it was mostly on well, I guess.

Speaker 10 (39:48):
Seven more today. Seven more didn't seem like that many today, but.

Speaker 7 (39:53):
Four on the defense to offense to special teams had
a couple.

Speaker 12 (39:58):
I would say, you know, I don't know how how
realistic it is, but man, if you can give Drake
that type of time every.

Speaker 6 (40:03):
Week, he's going to do good things.

Speaker 7 (40:06):
Oh boy, he's going to do good things.

Speaker 1 (40:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (40:08):
If you could face that kind of pass.

Speaker 5 (40:09):
Rush, yeah, I think that would be a big help too.

Speaker 8 (40:14):
But I think, look, when you're at this point, we
talked about it, be the best of the bad when
you're trying to climb out of the basement. Yes, we're
going to dissect the win and point out all the
little flaws that that need to be corrected. But at
the same time, just for Mike Rabel, for a new staff,
for a young team. You know, we talked about it
after the Miami game, Needing belief, needing to have some
kind of validation for what you're selling, the kind of

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result today that you see with that amount of.

Speaker 7 (40:37):
Points, especially for an offense.

Speaker 8 (40:39):
The last year it was such a grind and there
are a lot of pieces back from that grinding out offense.
You know, you got to start to feel good about
Josh McDaniels that he's pushing the right buttons that you know,
everybody's getting involved. Steph Diggs has got to be feeling
pretty good about you know what he's doing.

Speaker 7 (40:53):
So positive stuff. They got to build off of it.
But you know, huge challenge coming down the pike next week.

Speaker 5 (40:58):
No great, all right, we're getting calls, we're geting email,
so let's start looking at some of the calls. We
have Christian, a regular out in La. How Christian, ho
are you feeling?

Speaker 15 (41:07):
I feel like it winning today as I was sitting
here in my brand new Patriots gear and the Patriots delivered,
So that always makes you feel good. Like you guys said,
top to bottom good win. Of course, there's a couple
of things everybody could improve on. What I'm already thinking
is next week. After watching the Bills game today where

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they can't stop the run and they are having trouble with.

Speaker 16 (41:31):
The backs coming out.

Speaker 15 (41:32):
Of the backfield, do you guys, really give us a
chance with beating the Bills if we played like we
played today.

Speaker 12 (41:39):
Well, let's talk about the Bills next week. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
I haven't digested enough.

Speaker 5 (41:44):
Yeah, enjoy the win too.

Speaker 9 (41:45):
I don't think the performance defensively today will be good enough. No,
I just say that without I'm not necessarily talking about
the Bills, but against the good offense, that defense will
not be good enough.

Speaker 7 (41:55):
And we haven't seen this defense against the good offense.

Speaker 9 (41:57):
Now, the Patriots could put up twenty eight like they
did today, you know, against a bad defense like Buffalo
has not played good defense all year. I've watched a
lot of their games they've been on in you know,
some of the national windows. I didn't see any of
today obviously, but they've struggled defensively. Yeah, and I think
the Patriots should.

Speaker 12 (42:16):
Be the final score with the Saints today thirty one nineteen,
thirty one nineteen.

Speaker 6 (42:20):
Ok So for a little bit, it was a game.

Speaker 10 (42:22):
Although it was a game.

Speaker 9 (42:23):
The Saints were down, uh, they were down five I
think with the ball in the fourth quarter, and you
know Buffalo did with yeah, you know good, you know,
they screwed around and then they took care of business.

Speaker 6 (42:33):
And the last time worse than the Panthers.

Speaker 10 (42:35):
I think the Saints are the worst team in football.

Speaker 6 (42:37):
Yeah so, but.

Speaker 9 (42:39):
When you get embarrassed the way that the Saints did
in Seattle last week, there's almost always that bounce back.
Atlanta had the same thing in Carolina. They went to
Washington and laid the wood to Washington today.

Speaker 6 (42:52):
Oh did they Yeah?

Speaker 9 (42:54):
It ended up thirty four to twenty seven. They had
a two school lead the whole second half. They're a
better team, and they were last week. The Saints, I
think are a bad football team, but not like they
were last week, and not in the NFL. And I
wouldn't be surprised that you saw the Panthers play better
next week. It's just kind of the way it.

Speaker 5 (43:11):
Is, especially when there are so many bad teams in
the league. They all are looking for their next week
bounce back.

Speaker 8 (43:16):
It sounds like, yeah, a really nice game for Michael
Pennocks twenty at twenty six, three hundred thirteen yards, two touchdowns,
one interception, So he bounced back really well after.

Speaker 10 (43:23):
The pick by my ever boy Mike Sanders. Still still nice,
all right?

Speaker 5 (43:28):
We have David and Riley, right, Yeah, Raley ca I
that am I bad.

Speaker 17 (43:35):
Hire the goat team. He did, so it's a great
game to watch. I had a lot of fun watching it,
feeling good about the team. You already touched on some
of the defensive struggles, but I wanted to kind of
home in on the on the uh the first drive
of the game. And do you think that it's possible

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that we're missing the coordinator and that really is kind
of hurting the defense overall, or is the other team
just scripting their plays well enough based on the film
that we're just getting wiped out on the first first
drive of the game.

Speaker 12 (44:10):
Yeah, I think it's this isn't the first time, and
it happened when Williams was here, So I think these
first these first drives, and we see it around the
league a lot, these first rides with teams, they have
success for whatever reason. Like you said, they're scripted, and

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a lot of teams were successful just to start out
the game. So I wasn't panicking because I figured, you know,
we'd make adjustments and figure things out. But you hate
to fall behind seven to nothing right out of the gate.

Speaker 1 (44:45):
That's so easy.

Speaker 8 (44:45):
I mean, like this, I mean, I'm not sure what
today was the Raiders were six plays seventy one yards.

Speaker 7 (44:49):
I mean they were all similar, just chunk chunk, chunk chunk.

Speaker 9 (44:52):
I wasn't panicking, but only because of the opposition, and
I didn't feel like they could stand it. Yeah, you know,
if they were playing a good offense, I think it
could have been different today.

Speaker 10 (45:03):
But they just don't have any options.

Speaker 9 (45:07):
You know, they had one real true right game breaking Kindler,
he's their guy.

Speaker 7 (45:12):
Yeah, yeah, that Miami eight eighty three.

Speaker 8 (45:15):
I mean these are all ten yards per play drives
that are just right down the field.

Speaker 10 (45:19):
No third down in that game.

Speaker 9 (45:21):
I've never really changed because that's a decent offense, yep,
with good weapons.

Speaker 5 (45:26):
We got an email from Joe and Weymouth. He's sharing
his concern He said, yes, Drake is a pro football QB,
and it's silly to measure him since he's still twenty
seven years old. But oh no, sorry, as if he's
a twenty seven year old, he's not twenty seven twenty two.
He's a twenty seven year old VET. But I'm not
saying that you guys are saying this, but just a
message to the average Pat fans. My concerns are twofold

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secondary played well enough against a really bad team, but
I need to see it against Josh Allen. We all
agree on that. And then of course number two Diggs
is playing well and Hollins caught a short one. But
I want to see more from the wide receivers. And
why haven't we seen?

Speaker 6 (45:59):
Yeah, no receiver.

Speaker 12 (46:00):
I mean again, this game got out of hands so
quickly that it's tough to see where you're at. But
so far this season, there's not enough production from the
other wide receivers besides Digs. Uh, and you know, Hunter
Henry's the tight end, but you know pass catchers.

Speaker 9 (46:19):
Until today, they haven't had any production from the wide receivers.
But today nine of their fourteen completions went to wide receivers. Yeah,
so I think today there was a little bit of
a sign that, you know, maybe things are going to
change a little bit now. That might have had something
to do with Hunter Henry, who I know was not
one hundred percent going into this game, and maybe they
figured we can't throw the ball to him ten times
today like we have been, but six for Diggs and

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then you know, one for a bunch of other guys,
you know, with you know, Booty Hollins, and so I
guess what's that eight eight of the fourteen completions went
to wide receivers. When I also point out something to Mario.
Douglas is another guy who's been in the crosshairs for everybody,
and I don't think he was targeted at all today.

Speaker 10 (47:03):
I noticed him several times on blocks, give me too,
not a big guy.

Speaker 9 (47:08):
Sticking his nose in doing what he needed to do
and uh, clearly playing the team game. You know, give
him some credit for not pouting and you know, and
not retreating. He was not a big part of the
game plan obviously, to didn't target him once. But the
Hunter Henry touchdown, Yeah, was that the one he had,
the one of the blocks on y yeah downfield. That's
the kind of play that when the coaches drawed up

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during the week, let's go to the telestrator, let me
show you what tomorrow and Douglas, you know, like they
like to point out these guys, but what you know, watch.

Speaker 7 (47:35):
Here it is I just love this little pass from Drake.
I mean it was just so like Douglas.

Speaker 9 (47:40):
Yeah, I mean that in all seriousness, twenty six is
not going to want to watch the take play. Neither
is Joe Horn, my buddy, Oh Joe Horn. Not a
lot of effort here. Number eight, Yeah, can you sell
what had happened was.

Speaker 12 (47:54):
Yeah, I mean, Paul, you say that, but other than Diggs,
I mean, who uh Booty had a catch, That's what
I said.

Speaker 9 (48:03):
Catch eight catches for the wide receivers out of fourteen completions,
That's what I said.

Speaker 7 (48:07):
I mean it was digs have multiple but they.

Speaker 6 (48:08):
Had six of them.

Speaker 10 (48:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (48:10):
Yeah, So they're wide receivers, so you need more production
out of the wide receivers that.

Speaker 10 (48:15):
We haven't had any production until today the wide receiver.

Speaker 6 (48:18):
No, I think even today, well you.

Speaker 9 (48:20):
Only had fourteen completions for him, okay, but he had
six of them.

Speaker 6 (48:23):
Okay.

Speaker 12 (48:24):
But I mean, I'm just saying that we still haven't
seen a lot of production out of the wide receiver.

Speaker 10 (48:29):
Will but I would just say, I'll take today. I
don't like.

Speaker 9 (48:32):
Anything in the first three weeks for the receivers. Today
you made big plays. Your wide receivers may be big plays.
I'll take that. Yeah, today Diggs was six for one
on one, not six for thirty four.

Speaker 10 (48:44):
There's a huge difference. Sure, it's not about the number
of catches.

Speaker 12 (48:46):
It's about the number of yard I think Diggs, I
think and May said it during the week.

Speaker 6 (48:50):
I got to get the ball, yeah to him.

Speaker 7 (48:52):
No, I don't remember.

Speaker 9 (48:53):
Again, it's the same amount, but double triple the production, right, Like,
that's the difference today is they make big plays.

Speaker 10 (49:00):
I'll take that.

Speaker 9 (49:01):
You have a touchdown from another wide receiver and six
for one oh one. That's great production.

Speaker 8 (49:07):
I mean, I think Booty had a couple of games
last year where he was productive, but I don't remember
a wide receiver game like this where it was Booty.

Speaker 10 (49:14):
In the first time. I guess this one.

Speaker 8 (49:16):
Yeah, but it's been few and far between over the
last couple of years. And this was the Stefon Diggs
were you were hoping to get. I mean, these are
one hundred yard.

Speaker 10 (49:23):
Receiving called it, they called it a time machine game.

Speaker 7 (49:26):
It felt like it.

Speaker 9 (49:27):
It's a time machine game. All of a sudden, he's
making it. I think probably like four of the six
catches with downfield.

Speaker 7 (49:31):
Yeah, I just I mean, it just it's pretty. It's
pretty when you execute.

Speaker 10 (49:35):
This is the third and fifteen, like boom right there, Yep,
that's it.

Speaker 7 (49:40):
He gets, you know, And.

Speaker 9 (49:41):
That was the first drive of the second half the game.
Like I said, the game was over at the half.

Speaker 10 (49:45):
Everybody knew it.

Speaker 9 (49:46):
But you want to come out and establish the fact
that we're not going to get sloppy and make this
you know sort of Well, I know they won easy,
but they really didn't do anything in the sity. No. No,
if they did, they went down and scored right away
in the second half.

Speaker 7 (49:58):
Totally agree.

Speaker 5 (50:00):
So we got another email from Mike and Bingham to
New York. He said, I want to echo what Mike
said about the penalty specifically offside. I believe they were
called for two in this game. But it's a problem
that there have been there all four games. And is
it really that difficult to line up on the right
side of the line. What's going on there? Fair question
from mikey what's going on?

Speaker 12 (50:19):
It was it was an encroachment. It was off side,
so that's you know, that's going too fast. You know,
that's not really where he's lined up. I think Landry
got called for one right and both jumped.

Speaker 9 (50:34):
Yeah, and that was you know, both of them the
first half. Too many, it's too many penalties.

Speaker 7 (50:40):
Yep.

Speaker 12 (50:41):
We have someone in the face mask in the backfield
that negated a good defensive play.

Speaker 9 (50:47):
No, the hooper got called for a face mask. That's right.
Like two plays later they got called for tripping, which
negated that right, right right, they were able and it
was a good call on the trip by a blatant trip.
We all called that one in the press.

Speaker 7 (50:59):
He heard it out. Trap.

Speaker 6 (51:02):
I am a the refs. They going into the game, they.

Speaker 12 (51:06):
Had the fourth most flags in the league, and I
don't I think they added to that this this week.

Speaker 10 (51:12):
Yeah, my boy Bill Vianovich is up there. But I
like Bill Vinovic.

Speaker 9 (51:17):
He's one of the few guys that actually has control
of the game, you know, like you know, like the operation.
You ever once say, oh, what the hell is going on? No,
he has control of the operation of the game, what
the hell's going on?

Speaker 8 (51:29):
Not like John Hussey for twenty nine for the Panthers.
That's kind of a strange, strange number on penalties.

Speaker 9 (51:36):
Yeah, they got caught because they got called for a
uh a false start when they were backed up and
it was half the distance.

Speaker 10 (51:43):
It was only a four yard penalty, steel trap.

Speaker 7 (51:45):
You get that that kicking penaltiel trap? Is that fifteen? Yeah?

Speaker 6 (51:49):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (51:50):
And that was another one that was half the distance
that drew Freddy's iire, you know, why is it half
the distance he wanted to touchdown every Now, I don't
like that rule.

Speaker 12 (51:57):
Like, let's just say that you're inside the ten I said,
I agree with if you have a hold, it should
be on the one yard line.

Speaker 10 (52:03):
Yeah, I agree with.

Speaker 9 (52:03):
You know, you can't award points off of it, but
you should every guard that goes down to the one
yard line, right, I agree.

Speaker 5 (52:10):
Not sorry, we need change to deal with it too.
We have Thomas who actually said he didn't get a
chance to watch the game. He was but he's listening
to radio broadcasts and looking at the box store. Looks
like Jack Gibbons had a good one. A lot of
talk recently about who should be the second linebacker with Splane.
Do we think Gibbons could fill that role long term?

Speaker 7 (52:30):
I don't like the linebackers and Tennessee, No, I don't.
I mean, I think Christianell struggled a little bit.

Speaker 8 (52:37):
Again. I mean, I have to check the tape on that,
but it did seem like Gibbons got inserted in there
pretty quick. And he's another one where I mean he
had a couple of good tackles, but sometimes it feels
like his fingertips and the guys are about to break.
So but I would say, at least superficially, I feel
he's played a little better, maybe than Alice went inserted.

Speaker 7 (52:55):
But I kind of with Paul.

Speaker 9 (52:56):
I never thought i'd be saying it made some tackles,
but I don't think any impact.

Speaker 12 (53:00):
I never thought i'd be saying this in July, but
I'd like to see what happens when Tavia comes back
me too, you know.

Speaker 6 (53:06):
Like can he help?

Speaker 9 (53:07):
We should find out because he's you know, he's eligible now.
He could have practiced this week, correct, I could start
this week. I thought you could start practicing before your
window was up. But I hope he's ready to practice.
We'll see on Wednesday.

Speaker 8 (53:23):
So I'm on the sideline. He's been around the locker
room a lot. But I totally agree with you, Fred,
I just I think he's a little bit different.

Speaker 10 (53:29):
He's better than Gibbons in.

Speaker 8 (53:30):
Ellis' That might that might be the kind of boost
that they need. And it's one not a lot of
people are really talking about right now.

Speaker 16 (53:36):
No.

Speaker 12 (53:37):
I mean, you know, coming off the end of last year,
people were like, he's never going to be on the team,
you know, but now you make.

Speaker 9 (53:44):
Another one of those guys and the Stevenson I knew
dugger mode.

Speaker 8 (53:49):
But now you think it's not many of them left,
no but opportunity for him. And I mean it's it's
clear what he could do. I mean, ellis It'splaine hock Job.
What was his name that we were just talking about. Gosh,
I'm just totally blanking on fifty one's name?

Speaker 1 (54:06):
What is it given?

Speaker 6 (54:07):
Sorry?

Speaker 8 (54:07):
You know, those three all kind of similar kind of players.
If I just has a little bit of a different
twist him. I think he's got good size and could
maybe help some of this a little bit of speed.

Speaker 9 (54:16):
You made the point, Freddy about the underneath stuff is
causing problems. I agree, And that's the linebackers. Yeah, I
don't think they've been good in space. And again, Gibbons
had nine tackles today, but I'd like to see what
the average gain was on his tackles.

Speaker 7 (54:30):
Let's uh, let's talk about it next week.

Speaker 8 (54:32):
After you have to deal with Buffalo and James Cook
and their tight ends, because that, like to me, Buffalo's
offense with those guys is designed to exploit what the Patriots.

Speaker 12 (54:40):
And you have to worry about the quarterback running, so
they keep they keep you honest in every.

Speaker 8 (54:45):
Way, big receiver who's physical, So yeah, you can't cheat there. No,
I I give not to make this a Buffalo show,
but I give you credit how Buffalo's transition they got
off of digs, they got off of, you know, some
of that initial offense that they had, and now they've
drafted guys and you know, when Josh Allen's playing the
way Josh Allen's playing, that doesn't really matter.

Speaker 12 (55:03):
But do you think it's fair to say that after
next game we'll have a good idea of who this
team is or do we still need more time?

Speaker 1 (55:13):
And I need one, you know, we live.

Speaker 7 (55:14):
But you know, I think every week you get a
little bit of information. But it's a really hard spot.

Speaker 8 (55:18):
Buffalo is a really good team, and I would wouldn't
want to say I'm gonna overreact. Maybe after the road trip, okay, yeah, yeah,
you go play two bad teams on the roads.

Speaker 9 (55:28):
Interested to see how they play in those other two games.
I think they I mean, they could absolutely go into
Buffalo and upset them. Upsets happened in this league. It's
not out of it's not out of the realm of
possibility they determine, but that's not going to tell me.

Speaker 10 (55:40):
WHOA, they're way ahead of schedules.

Speaker 9 (55:43):
But if you let's say they were to upset Buffalo
next week and then they laid the wood to Cleveland
and Tennessee or whatever the order is it Tennessee and
New Orleans, Tennessee and New Orleans. Team it is New
Orleans then Tennessee. Okay, Now that that's a maturity level
that you know. Okay, that would show me something.

Speaker 10 (56:00):
So maybe the.

Speaker 9 (56:01):
Three the three game road trip in its entirety, I
don't know. I like you said, I don't like to
Overreachain get.

Speaker 12 (56:07):
Competitive in Buffalo and they take care of business in
the next two You're like, okay, we're at least middle
of the pack team.

Speaker 9 (56:13):
Or if they get blown out fifty eight to nothing
in Buffalo and then taking care of business in the
next two games, that will tell me something, that will
show me some toughness. Like again, I don't want to
overreact to the one Buffalo game just because it's Buffalo.
You know, they could win, they could lose, They they
could have a close game that they've had a lot
of close games against Buffalo over the last five years. Sure, Like,

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so I'm not going to get too caught up.

Speaker 8 (56:36):
In and one of the mac Jones wins, right, yeah,
And then after those two you're coming back to Atlanta
or Cleveland in Atlanta.

Speaker 7 (56:43):
I mean those are again.

Speaker 6 (56:45):
Cleveland's sneaky good on defense.

Speaker 10 (56:46):
Cleveland's got a good defense. Atlanta.

Speaker 9 (56:48):
I you know, I think people just completely dis miss Atlanta.
And I don't really understand why.

Speaker 12 (56:52):
Because because they pick them and then they lose one
of those things the first teams.

Speaker 9 (57:00):
That's a good point because that's the kind of thing
that would draw the right sure.

Speaker 8 (57:07):
I mean nobody picked him this week, right, they get
smoked by the Panther.

Speaker 10 (57:12):
I mean, I just I just think.

Speaker 9 (57:13):
I love their skill guys, Like I don't know if
Pennix is ready yet, is just sort of getting his
feet wet a lot like May and he's behind me
because he hasn't played as much. But Jon Robinson and
Tyler Algerra a good one two punch at running back,
and Kyle Pitts is an enigmatic tight end. But Drake London,
you know, really solid receiver. I think they have good

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skill position guys, and when you have that, you can
put pressure on a defense, and it gives you a
chance to if you can score, you can win. And
that's what's given me the most hope about the Patriots
is I think they can move the ball now and score.
So when you can do that, your defense doesn't have
to be great and you can win games.

Speaker 10 (57:51):
That's what they did today. They ended up.

Speaker 9 (57:54):
Overcoming the slow start defensively because they put points on
the board and took control of the game.

Speaker 5 (58:00):
I'm really loving this email. Wait till the end for it. So, hey, y'all,
what a wild game. This looks like an actual NFL
level offense for the first time in four years. Any
truth to the rumor that I'm starting the Carolina let
Bill coach this week? El in Wisconsin?

Speaker 7 (58:16):
Oh, geez, can too soon?

Speaker 1 (58:18):
Elle? Too soon?

Speaker 6 (58:21):
Now?

Speaker 7 (58:21):
They? Yeah, they?

Speaker 8 (58:23):
I mean, this is another team that I mean, you
just see it. You know, you see how hard it is.
The Patriots have been there. We know what it's like
to be this kind of team that you walk in
and get your doors blown off and you're just sitting
there left holding the bag, wondering which ways up and
where you're going to go from there. So you know,
it's it's it's not an easy league, and think snowball
fast on you. You think you're running away with it in
the early first quarter, you give up a big punt return,

(58:43):
and then boom, it's you know, game over all of
a sudden, you're down by a bunch of scores. So
you know, that's and that's what I think to Paul's point,
you know, just being able to stay stable, for this
young Patriots team to not ride the wave, to not
come off of this game and waltson a buffalo. And
I'm sure they won't do that, but by Paul's token,
to go up there and maybe lay a stinker up
in Buffalo and then let that carry over beat all

(59:05):
these bad teams. If they can just beat these bad
teams this year, I think this is going to be
a successful year. Whether they make the playoffs or not,
or you know, just tell me that you can go
out there and play games like this more than just once.

Speaker 7 (59:15):
You know you can't. Just got a couple of unfolded purpose.

Speaker 9 (59:18):
They've played four teams that are sort of in the
category of what you're talking about.

Speaker 10 (59:22):
They're two and two, yep.

Speaker 9 (59:23):
So can we advance the next four games and go
three and one perfect that would be progress to me.

Speaker 12 (59:28):
And I'll say what I said over the course of
the week on PU. You know, the difference between this
year and last year. I'm starting to see the semblance
of an offense. I didn't see that last year. It
was every game was, you know, just such a struggle.
They couldn't do anything. They Now they make mistakes that
hurt them, but you see the semblances of an offense,

(59:52):
the construction of an offense and the ability for Drake
to to execute that.

Speaker 9 (59:57):
And I really liked what I saw in that regard
today and I I argued with you on it during
the weekend. Today I can see what I can see
what you're talking about. But today they did something they
haven't done in the first three games. They got the
ball downfield, and I think get changed everything.

Speaker 7 (01:00:09):
Now, those digs.

Speaker 10 (01:00:10):
Changed my whole view of the offense.

Speaker 9 (01:00:12):
They had explosiveness to them today, and that's where you
get the points.

Speaker 7 (01:00:15):
From just the execution too. On some of those I mean,
I just I mean the digs plays are easy to highlight.

Speaker 12 (01:00:20):
And there was a couple actual explosive plays, not short passes,
that turned into.

Speaker 9 (01:00:24):
You like, yeah, the first one is a little dumped
to Hooper. But then you rip off a twenty whatever
yard run for Stevenson. You had a twenty something yard
run for Gibson, throwing the ball downfield a couple of
times for thirty yards to Digs. Right, those are explosives.
Are explosives and by anyone's metric, yeah, even Evan. Right
by the way, he's writing what is this?

Speaker 8 (01:00:47):
He interviews content, contemplates, life, contemplates.

Speaker 7 (01:00:51):
No, he loves it. It takes him about four hours
to put together game right.

Speaker 6 (01:00:56):
I have to read it.

Speaker 12 (01:00:59):
Waking up at midnight, like, oh I forgot, because you know,
he sends it and he's waiting for you know, I just.

Speaker 6 (01:01:05):
Said that get through.

Speaker 7 (01:01:07):
It just gets my three thousand words.

Speaker 6 (01:01:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:01:10):
No, he does a great job.

Speaker 8 (01:01:11):
We love him, but he uh no, I'm sure he's
excited to be Evan's excited about the offense.

Speaker 7 (01:01:16):
That's funny.

Speaker 8 (01:01:16):
Thing I've noticed about Evan is like, you know, they
offensively look coordinated and they're executing place.

Speaker 10 (01:01:21):
They could have lost forty five today. I think he
on the same level.

Speaker 12 (01:01:24):
And then he starts throwing out the lingo. You know,
you know Hollins was on a dummy route and like,
no one knows what that means.

Speaker 5 (01:01:34):
But friend, like you said, with a semblance of an offense,
how does this team keep it consistent?

Speaker 12 (01:01:40):
First it starts with giving Drake time. Yeah, if you
give him time, he can make things happen. And that's
where it starts, and that's where it ended last year. Yeah,
he didn't have any time, and even when he had time,
he was so rattled from the play before that he
didn't think ye had times.

Speaker 6 (01:02:00):
So you know, that's where it starts.

Speaker 12 (01:02:03):
If you if you give him a semblance of time,
then good things are gonna happen.

Speaker 9 (01:02:07):
It might be too early, and it might be too
small of a sample, but the two best games to
me offensively were the games that he didn't throw the
ball that much. You know, twenty one, it was it,
twenty one or twenty three at ten, I think it
was nineteen for twenty three in Miami, right, yeah, sound right,
something like that, seventeen for fourteen for seventeen today. You know,
so he has a handful, like he ran the ball

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three times, So those are dropbacks.

Speaker 10 (01:02:31):
You got sacked.

Speaker 9 (01:02:32):
So let's call it twenty two dropbacks, twenty one, twenty
three drop backs something like that.

Speaker 10 (01:02:38):
I think that's the formula. You want to stay out.

Speaker 9 (01:02:40):
You want to stay twenty five or so and avoid
the thirties because the pressure is going to come if
you get behind the chains and you have to throw.
They're not good enough to protect no matter what, no
one really, no one is. Even the really good offensive
lines can't consistently hold up in those situations.

Speaker 8 (01:02:57):
Yeah, seven plays of twenty or more yards, three of
thirty or more yards. So that's I don't know what
the numbers are, but it's been a while since they
put up that many big plays.

Speaker 6 (01:03:07):
Yep, chunkys chunky, chunky.

Speaker 12 (01:03:09):
But you know, like we talk about the receivers, you know,
beyond giving him time, I love to see Kyle Williams
start to get involved.

Speaker 6 (01:03:19):
We like to see Booty have more. We like, you know, Pop.

Speaker 12 (01:03:22):
Douglas needs to start being a target or else, you know,
the Chisen brigade is going to be knocked.

Speaker 9 (01:03:30):
But I would just say, today, let's just take today's entity.
What could you possibly say you need to see more of?

Speaker 6 (01:03:36):
Well no, I'm just saying no, not today. Today was perfect.

Speaker 10 (01:03:39):
But you're going to be right. I'm going to predict
that you're going to be right this week.

Speaker 9 (01:03:43):
Yeah, once everybody gets over the hangover by Wednesday, they're
going to be saying, we you know, why, why why
is Booty not more involved?

Speaker 10 (01:03:50):
You know whatever. Like to me, there's nothing today to
knock about anything they.

Speaker 12 (01:03:54):
Did, but the question was going forward. Yeah again, that
all can tributes to being tougher to defend. If everyone's
a threat to catch the ball, then you're tougher to defend.

Speaker 7 (01:04:07):
Yeah. Yeah, we'll see how it continues to develop.

Speaker 8 (01:04:10):
I like your point about the offensive line thread, and
I think i'd be all over them this week and
be like, this is going to be a whole nother
another level of challenge against Ed Oliver and the pass
rushers that these guys have just to try to raise
their level of play, because.

Speaker 6 (01:04:22):
This could be the battle for the a f C
East right here.

Speaker 7 (01:04:25):
Probably probably.

Speaker 10 (01:04:28):
The Buffalo wins.

Speaker 7 (01:04:36):
What's the earliest hat and tea shirt game?

Speaker 5 (01:04:37):
That'll be good.

Speaker 10 (01:04:40):
Now we joke dismissed their chances.

Speaker 9 (01:04:42):
Just I wanted that because I know you'll come back
and make fun of me. I'm not If the Patriots
have a good game, I'm paulsu they were gonna get blown. No,
I didn't, No, I didn't.

Speaker 6 (01:04:52):
Okay, all right.

Speaker 9 (01:04:53):
I think Buffalo's defense will keep the other team in
a lot of games. I don't think their defense is great.

Speaker 18 (01:05:00):
Now.

Speaker 8 (01:05:00):
I hope they just go up there and cut it
loose and play with the energy that you take from
this game. And that's what I kind of wanted from
Mike Rabel teams, you know, just to play with that
kind of you're gonna punch us, We're gonna punch you,
and let's just see how how it ends up. And
I think that's how they need to go into that game,
with that attitude of yeah, they're gonna land some punches,
but let's we've shown in this game we can land
some of our punches the own. The point, the overarching

(01:05:22):
point to me though, is just how is the defense
going to deal with the Buffalo offense that we haven't
seen this offense, this defense against a really tight, good
offense yet.

Speaker 7 (01:05:33):
What does that look like?

Speaker 8 (01:05:34):
What does Buffalo's you know, Joe Brady, their offensive staff,
what do they see in the Patriots defense?

Speaker 7 (01:05:38):
What do they try to target?

Speaker 8 (01:05:40):
Do they have any respect for the run game or
are they going to try to, you know, get James
Cook in space against the linebacker?

Speaker 7 (01:05:44):
I mean, those are the things I'd be thinking about.
So I just I continue.

Speaker 8 (01:05:48):
Look, I'm a defense guy, and I'm always going to
have a high bar of what's acceptable and great job today,
but it's the level of difficulty is about to increase.

Speaker 5 (01:05:56):
Sex legally, and like you said earlier, a win shouldn't
it shouldn't be the high and loads of a win
going with that, but taking the momentum of this win
and the energy, yeah, Buffalo, so that they can capitalize
on the fact that they are a decent enough team
to play in the NFL.

Speaker 6 (01:06:11):
Be careful. He can't have them smelling themselves, you know
what I mean.

Speaker 12 (01:06:14):
And he's got to and and like Paul said, or
maybe you said it, Deuce, this is we're going to
another level. Okay, this is Josh Allen now and uh,
I mean, so this is Milton Williams. This is why
we brought you here, Carlton Davis, this is why you're here,
you know, Gonzales, this is this.

Speaker 6 (01:06:34):
Is what we need you for.

Speaker 5 (01:06:35):
Uh.

Speaker 12 (01:06:36):
You know all these guys that we brought in on
defense and Christian Barmore and this is why this is
the game that you're going to show yourself.

Speaker 8 (01:06:44):
Well, I'll be interested to see, because it felt like
after the Miami week Fred like Rabel, I'm like.

Speaker 7 (01:06:48):
What's he so pissed about?

Speaker 8 (01:06:50):
Like he seems really But I think that that's something
the coaches do when you have a good game. Now,
now I have some belief, Now I can turn.

Speaker 7 (01:06:57):
Up the intensity a little bit.

Speaker 8 (01:06:58):
I can be harder on that about the details, and
hopefully that is what forces him.

Speaker 12 (01:07:03):
I mean, you know, we talked a lot about Bill
Parcells last week because he got inducted. But that was
this I remember it vividly. You know, you'd come out
after a loss and like, oh, he's going to be
pissed in the press car and he would be the opposite.
You know, he would be kind of even tempered, and
then you'd win and he'd come out and kind of
dwell on the bad things. And he would do that

(01:07:25):
with the media to keep the media and share them.
You know, imagine that he did with his own players.

Speaker 6 (01:07:31):
You know.

Speaker 5 (01:07:32):
I like that strategy.

Speaker 7 (01:07:33):
Yeah, coaching, baby.

Speaker 5 (01:07:35):
Yeah, we got an email from we're speaking talking about
the defense. I know Keon White's position. Coach said he's
going to be a big part of the Pats D.
But there's no way that's true, and it's time to
kind of eait. He can't hold on edge for anything.
It's just embarrassing. Dang near every time he's in the
game it was a run play, he lost edge. Another
Belichick I know better than everyone pick that has no

(01:07:55):
business on the scene. That's Jay in Atlanta.

Speaker 6 (01:07:58):
Yeah. I didn't key on him that too much, so
that could be true. And what guy that the.

Speaker 9 (01:08:03):
Guy I noticed that doesn't hold the edge is calebon Chasing. Yeah,
he tries to penetrate and jump jump gaps all the
time and he loses containment early on.

Speaker 12 (01:08:12):
Jennings had a good play on the run game, did
he did he play a lot after that?

Speaker 9 (01:08:18):
He plays on early downs and then the game gets
out of hand, so they're probably not necessarily playing the run.
But yes, there's a difference. I totally agree with you, Fred.
When he's on the field, the run defense is different.

Speaker 6 (01:08:28):
Yeah, he has.

Speaker 10 (01:08:29):
As a very particular set of skills. Well, he's a
good edgesetter. Yeah, that's what he does.

Speaker 8 (01:08:34):
And that's that's the thing that that key on White
is still trying to figure out. I was in that
interview with Mike Smith on Thursday where he was you know,
spoke very highly. Part of that is coaches like to
pump their guys up, and you know this will be
now key On White's third defensive coaching staff in his
in his career that he's working with.

Speaker 7 (01:08:49):
I just don't think they.

Speaker 8 (01:08:50):
Have the depth right now to really get rid of him,
and they have to kind of work them in and
get him some snaps. But you know, look, I was
on it from day one of that it's probably going
to be chasing and Landry and that's really what it's been.

Speaker 7 (01:09:02):
So we'll see with ke On White, but they don't
have the depth to just like cut basement.

Speaker 6 (01:09:06):
Yeah, maybe we get.

Speaker 9 (01:09:07):
To the off season and I don't know if he's
going to be like a long term solution, but I
don't think they cut in bait now.

Speaker 1 (01:09:13):
But you know what you see from Landry.

Speaker 8 (01:09:14):
And he plays that much does no No, He is
a rotational piece that fills And I'm I again one
of those like Marty Mapho, felt like you played more tonight.

Speaker 10 (01:09:24):
One Remember that Remember last week I said like it
felt like.

Speaker 9 (01:09:28):
Played more played with Jack same not feeling. No, I
did not have to feel, did not have to feel
for the game that Frey kirsh.

Speaker 8 (01:09:36):
Does, but key On White something to look at with
the film and even Marty Mapoo. I mean again like
I felt like he played a little bit more like
I might end up just being eight snaps, but they
were well dispersed throughout the game where it felt.

Speaker 7 (01:09:45):
Like he going down he's but but yeah, interested to
watch him.

Speaker 8 (01:09:51):
And you know Jayalen Hawkins with a hamstring, is that
put Kyle Duggart back into the mix that at starting safety.

Speaker 9 (01:09:56):
I think Dougart feels like he's more involved by the way. Yeah,
I mean, I'm not telling you he's playing a major role,
but I feel like I noticed him more and more
each week.

Speaker 7 (01:10:05):
Well, I mean I.

Speaker 10 (01:10:05):
Wonder if he's just like playing himself into a role.

Speaker 8 (01:10:07):
Yeah, I mean it feels I mean the injuries aside,
it feels a little bit like where he was early
on in his career when you had you know, he
was kind of the third safety and you know, maybe
that is the best spot for me.

Speaker 9 (01:10:16):
I don't know what just makes the argument that it
hasn't been great with those guys in coverage, So you're
not gonna have a great cover guy with dugger we
know that, but you're gonna have a more physical presence.

Speaker 7 (01:10:24):
Yeah, fair especially, and what's the different to bring him
down into the box?

Speaker 12 (01:10:28):
You know, it's it's interesting with Dugger and some of
the other it's almost like Rabel said, you haven't proven
anything to me. And this goes back to the summer. Yeah,
you know, you have to re establish yourself with me,
and you're not doing it. So I'm not just going
to hand.

Speaker 6 (01:10:44):
You your role back.

Speaker 12 (01:10:46):
You're going to have to earn it, just like everybody
else on this team. So and maybe he's, like Paul said,
he's starting to do that.

Speaker 8 (01:10:52):
Well, do you think part of the two Fred is
with the fumbles in Remander being like you, you fumbled
twice for me, But I'm not gonna last year.

Speaker 6 (01:11:00):
The other way too. It works the other way too,
right now. Yep.

Speaker 8 (01:11:04):
So he's trying to find his his guys, how his
guys play under him. And yeah, good start today, good
way for Mondre to get some carries, big game, get
past that. Hopefully he can put the fumble problems behind him.
But the only thing that's gonna tell you that is
he's got to string the rest of the games together
a good chunk without a fumble.

Speaker 5 (01:11:20):
Yeah, we talked about the coaching obviously all throughout the show,
but with Rabel obviously coming off of when you kind
of alluded to it, but want to hear what you
all think. What does he need to do and keep
this team focused and consistent heading into this has become
the pre pregame show essentially, but heading into week.

Speaker 8 (01:11:38):
Five, yeah, well, I mean, I think it helps when
you have a win under your belt and you have
some you know, buying from the players and they will
believe what you're selling them. So I think, like I said,
it allows you to be a little bit harder on
them and you know they have to be better. Look,
it's you know, they're they're nowhere near being a super
Bowl contender yet and they have to continue to lay
the foundation to get there. And even if it's not

(01:11:59):
this year, you're looking for guys that will be part
of it in your two and year three. So maybe
you don't quite have all the horses just yet, but
I think wins like this enable you to get buy
in from all your players and really build a program,
which I think you see around the NFL that a
lot of teams that have the program and even when
they have a catastrophic injury to even a quarterback, that
somehow they're able to kind of stay afloat and it

(01:12:20):
doesn't all fall apart. And that's you know, credit to
these teams that have been around for a while and
have had success and have all that buy in that
you know it's not going to all of a sudden
you lose your quarterback, and you know the.

Speaker 7 (01:12:30):
Forty nine ers are able to hold the ford a
little bit.

Speaker 8 (01:12:32):
With Mac Jones, I don't know how it's going today
for him, but you know that's what that's the point
I'm hoping you can get to.

Speaker 12 (01:12:37):
You know, if I'm vayble, I'm telling my coaches and players,
like film review is going to be quick this week.
We're just going to look at the first half, and coaches,
that's all I want you to key on. Get prepare
that for the players. You know, we're just going to
look at the first half, second half great hand. Yeah,
but we're turning the page quickly to Buffalo. So spend

(01:12:59):
spend two Tuesday getting ready for for that. Turn the
page on Wednesday, and then it's just repetition after repetition
had practiced this week, you know for the offense and
for the defense, it's you know, they still need to
tackle better.

Speaker 6 (01:13:15):
They still have.

Speaker 12 (01:13:15):
To you know, focus on those fundamentals and tackling, and
that's part of the underneath problems.

Speaker 6 (01:13:21):
I totally agree, you know, it's.

Speaker 10 (01:13:24):
Yeah, underneath problems, or at least tied partly to that.

Speaker 12 (01:13:29):
Yeah, you know, it's because you se I remember that
when the Ravens had that elite defense with Ray Lewis
and they won their for a Super Bowl. The thing
that always struck me they the first guy always made
the tackle. They rarely missed the first tackle. They were
always there and they would make that tackle and they
would limit anything that the offense had already gained.

Speaker 6 (01:13:51):
And that's what the good defenses do. They're sure tacklers.
I mean, that's what you know. Football is not a
complicated game.

Speaker 12 (01:13:59):
You block, you tackle, you know, it's it's not that
complicated if you do it well.

Speaker 5 (01:14:04):
So what should he be doing to emphasize these fundamentals?
Not like you said, tackling is part of football. They've
been doing it.

Speaker 6 (01:14:10):
Yeah, pads on, I don't care. Get the pads on
on Wednesday.

Speaker 9 (01:14:14):
Get back to pads on Wednesday's Thursday or Wednesday.

Speaker 12 (01:14:18):
Whatever day it is, but usually when Wednesday was pad
day and then they'd ease it down whatever.

Speaker 10 (01:14:23):
Day it is, whatever reason he's decided.

Speaker 12 (01:14:25):
Yeah, Thursday even do they even have pads on Thursday?

Speaker 8 (01:14:29):
Or do they have uppers that's pads, Yeah, he said,
Uppers count as full pads.

Speaker 6 (01:14:34):
Uppers count as full paths.

Speaker 9 (01:14:37):
You can't well, they don't tackle, well yeah, I mean
if you're looking for them to tackle and practice that's not.

Speaker 6 (01:14:41):
I don't they have to do goal line, but I
mean the tackling drills.

Speaker 12 (01:14:45):
You know when the when you line up the cones
and you have to stay within the cones and it's
one on one tackle in that drill.

Speaker 6 (01:14:52):
Yeah, no thudding tackle in that drill.

Speaker 10 (01:14:54):
That's just not going to happen.

Speaker 9 (01:14:56):
It's it's it's never happened in an NFL practice since,
like I don't know, nineteen seventy two. Oh stop, they
don't tackle at practice right, well don't.

Speaker 12 (01:15:04):
They are allowed to? And I think they should because
this team needs help tackling.

Speaker 7 (01:15:08):
Back to the basics, they do need help.

Speaker 6 (01:15:10):
The one day a.

Speaker 12 (01:15:11):
Week we're going to tackle today, and it's not going
to be like you know, the all full on collisions.

Speaker 6 (01:15:16):
Like I said, goal line.

Speaker 12 (01:15:17):
But I'm talking about drills, tackling drills where you actually tackle.
You know, That's why it's called a tackling drill. It's
not we're going to pretend to tackle in the tackling drill. No,
we're going to tackle in the tackling drill because we're
having trouble tackling.

Speaker 9 (01:15:31):
I'm not saying you're wrong about having trouble tackling. I'm
just saying you're looking for something that's just not.

Speaker 10 (01:15:36):
Going to happen. They're not going to tackle at practice, especially.

Speaker 7 (01:15:39):
During the year, and we wouldn't even know if they did.

Speaker 10 (01:15:41):
And we wouldn't know if they did.

Speaker 6 (01:15:42):
We don't know.

Speaker 10 (01:15:42):
I can't.

Speaker 8 (01:15:44):
But you know what I think I was thinking though,
is how long over those twenty years where Tom Brady
be about they were dominant, and you know, you'd have
an upstart Bills or Jets or Dolphins team that maybe
won a couple of games early in the season, and
they came up here and you know, looking to make
a statement or you know, like look and approve or
see how they and I just I don't want to
put all that weight on this game this week of

(01:16:05):
you know, Buffalo has owned the division and it's going
to go through them, and at some point, if the
Patriots want to get back to greatness, they're going to
have to, you know, knock this team off and figure
out a way to consistently deal with Josh Allen. So
I'm kind of stuck in the middle now, as you know,
I have one eye kind of going forward to.

Speaker 6 (01:16:19):
Well, it's how you compete in the game.

Speaker 12 (01:16:21):
And you know, you go back to two thousand and
one when the Patriots were a fledgling team and the
Rams were the greatest show on turf and they played
him in the middle of the season and you know, really.

Speaker 6 (01:16:32):
Out physical the Rams.

Speaker 12 (01:16:34):
They didn't win the game, but they were competitive and
they beat the Rams up and everyone everyone came out
of that game.

Speaker 6 (01:16:40):
Said, this team can play.

Speaker 12 (01:16:42):
They prove themselves that they can compete, and that's we're
not there yet, believe.

Speaker 6 (01:16:47):
It or not. This this team still has to prove that.

Speaker 10 (01:16:51):
Believe it or not, they're not Super Bowl.

Speaker 6 (01:16:54):
Well, you're putting more into my mouth.

Speaker 12 (01:16:56):
But there's a lot of people that before the season
started saying that they should be in the playoffs, and
now you win a game like this is like, all right,
we're here.

Speaker 6 (01:17:05):
No we're not.

Speaker 12 (01:17:06):
We're not there yet. We still have to prove it
against the better teams. And this is it's a good test. Yeah,
it's a good test.

Speaker 8 (01:17:14):
I'd love to see them go in and give them
a handful and that would be but I also compete.

Speaker 9 (01:17:19):
I would just say, prove it against any team, like
going to consider, like does everybody forget what.

Speaker 10 (01:17:23):
Happened last week? Yeah, like what happened?

Speaker 6 (01:17:26):
Well, they were the better team last week.

Speaker 19 (01:17:28):
They just and they turned it over, right, they've turned
over the ball to be bad. When you do that, well,
two people were bad, you know, right right, which to
the quarterback may and Dre and Remondre.

Speaker 9 (01:17:40):
Okay, well that's kind of hard to overcome. I know
the quarterback is one of your bad but I think
I think you can overcome. I'm just saying, like to
just say, well, if anyone's looking at just one game
and saying, okay, they're back and ignoring the previous game,
like the building a bad team, we're.

Speaker 6 (01:17:59):
Building on things.

Speaker 12 (01:18:00):
And I think if you go into Buffalo on a
Sunday night and compete, that's a step in the right direction.

Speaker 10 (01:18:07):
Yep.

Speaker 9 (01:18:09):
But then they have to take that step and do
it egaen and then again then they were a team.
Of course you did in two thousand and one to
usual To finish your analogy, if they had played well
against the Rams in November and then lost the next week,
no one will be saying they really proved themselves.

Speaker 12 (01:18:25):
But don't you playing well against the Rams gave them
confidence to stas start stacking that. Yes, okay, but they're
not talking about perception they did.

Speaker 9 (01:18:33):
This is why I'm not going to get lost next week,
no matter what happens, blow out, win, blowout lost, something
in between. I want to see what happens after that. Sure,
what showed me that the Patriots were coming along was
not what they did against the Rams.

Speaker 10 (01:18:47):
Yes, you're right.

Speaker 9 (01:18:48):
I think they absolutely got a lot of confidence off
that game. They could be hard to argue against that,
But then they went out and won every game after that.

Speaker 6 (01:18:56):
Yep.

Speaker 10 (01:18:57):
If they had lost the next week, the same thing
have happened against the Rams.

Speaker 12 (01:19:01):
And I'm not saying if you do that against the
Ram at the Bills, you're going to win every game
and go to the super Bowl this year.

Speaker 9 (01:19:06):
I think that team had a lot way down and
come back and win the next week In the game you.

Speaker 10 (01:19:11):
Quote unquote supposed to win in New Orleans, right.

Speaker 12 (01:19:13):
That team had a lot more talent than this team.
But I'm just saying competing against especially a division rival,
is important to a team learning how to win.

Speaker 10 (01:19:23):
I agree.

Speaker 9 (01:19:24):
I can't argue with anything you're saying, and I love
to argue with you issue and I.

Speaker 5 (01:19:28):
Love watching you guys argue, but we do have to
take a break. As you guys know, though, the weather
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Speaker 5 (01:23:21):
Welcome back into the Patriots Postgame Show, as you know,
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known historically. That's the Patriot way. And so that being said,
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So speaking of legacy, let's focus in and hone in
on the Patriots. What do they need to do to
rebuild that legacy.

Speaker 8 (01:25:00):
I think you're building on the big plays today. That's
to me, the biggest takeaway of this game. Like I
mentioned earlier, I had what is it, seven total plays
of twenty plus yards. I mean it's we said in
the pregame, you know X place changed us. Yeah, well,
somebody mentions it once and then everyone's an expert.

Speaker 10 (01:25:17):
We call them chunkyes.

Speaker 8 (01:25:19):
But great, great getting the ball down the field by
Drake May the thirty three yarder to Stefan Diggs. Outstanding
connection between those two. So if they can continue to
make those big plays, I think they're going to be
in good shape Offensively. It's going to open up some
of the run game, open up some of the underneath stuff.
So no question you want to build on that, build
on those plays. Keep them coming, baby, Yeah, I like it.

Speaker 5 (01:25:40):
Yeah, anyone else has want anything to.

Speaker 10 (01:25:42):
Build one Mike's world. We're all just living in it.

Speaker 5 (01:25:44):
I like that. But it's perfect because we have Matt here,
who was in the locker room for us getting the sound.
What's the feeling like? What are the vibes we need
to know.

Speaker 12 (01:25:51):
When you're in the locker room. Did your glasses fog? Yeah,
it gets muggy.

Speaker 1 (01:25:56):
It's a little muggy. Yeah, Plus it's humid before them.
What's the feeling on the desk cab boys and girls?
What do we think of the winc about it?

Speaker 5 (01:26:05):
Well?

Speaker 6 (01:26:05):
I liked it.

Speaker 5 (01:26:07):
We're trying not to get over enthusiastic about it.

Speaker 10 (01:26:09):
You're not going to try to say that I was anything.

Speaker 6 (01:26:11):
What's that now?

Speaker 10 (01:26:12):
Anything but positive?

Speaker 6 (01:26:14):
He was for you. We were very positive.

Speaker 5 (01:26:16):
We just don't got too high on the highs and
too low on the lows. That's what we're trying to
do around.

Speaker 9 (01:26:19):
He started off the show by giving him his flowers.
As the kids like to say about picking the final score.

Speaker 10 (01:26:25):
Do you know what his final score prediction was?

Speaker 7 (01:26:27):
You never believe it?

Speaker 10 (01:26:28):
Forty one to ten.

Speaker 9 (01:26:30):
And he said with a caveat, not all of those
points will be scored by the office.

Speaker 5 (01:26:35):
Wow, it's like he had a feeling.

Speaker 1 (01:26:37):
I said, Deuce in I mean eight hours, you know,
you just said you thought there was going to be
a win and it would be a comfortable win, and
it was today. If you didn't get nail to score,
that's what the Patriots needed and they got.

Speaker 5 (01:26:49):
I think next week you should bring physical flowers to give.

Speaker 8 (01:26:53):
I put thirteen points for the Panthers, and if it
weren't for Marcus Jones kind of on some thing.

Speaker 7 (01:26:59):
Jim and Marcus Jules, you ruined it.

Speaker 1 (01:27:01):
So let's go into the presto that and Chris and
we'll lead off with coach Rabel and what he had
to say after today's big win.

Speaker 22 (01:27:10):
You know, to be able to do that on the
punt return, fantastic effort by Marcus and everybody else out there.
But I think a lot of that was, you know,
just his own individual will skill uh and and effort
and so again that that has to be a weapon.
It was something that we felt like could be through
this season and getting ready for this year, you have

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to be, you know, fearless at some level. To catch
that punt and know that you're going to make the
first guy miss, and we're confident in that, and you know,
I think he kind of just it's just a natural
skill that's hard to teach, you know. I mean, it's
try to teach with all those bodies and traffic and
make you know, catching it first and you know, making

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great decisions with it back there. So that's a lot
of comfort with him back there, and we need to
continue to make it to make it a weapon.

Speaker 3 (01:28:01):
Talk about the defense. Obviously, you give up that opening score,
but then you guys bounce back and pretty much shut
them down the rest of the game. Talk about the
adjustments you guys made and how you were able to
kind of take control of the game, and that I
just settled down, you know, and just settled down a
little bit.

Speaker 22 (01:28:13):
They they did a nice job early on and moving
guys around, and you know, we have to, you know,
to continue to disguise better and tackle better.

Speaker 3 (01:28:21):
And all those things.

Speaker 22 (01:28:22):
And you know, I guess if that's the trade off
for playing great defense the rest of the way, you know,
then we'll have to go through those growing pains early
in the game. I don't anticipate that we should, but
it was good to see us respond, you know, and
we've done that, and I'm proud of our guys for
not you know, going in the tank or you know,

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complaining or pointing a finger or anything like that.

Speaker 6 (01:28:47):
Well, then when we don't beat ourselves and.

Speaker 22 (01:28:49):
We take care of football and we play complimentary football
and we get stops on third down, the return you know,
I mean, the special teams are a factor, and we
score touchdowns in the red zone that you know.

Speaker 3 (01:29:00):
It can it can, it can look like something.

Speaker 22 (01:29:03):
So again that's not guaranteed every week, but certainly we
can see the difference in and how critical those those
phases are and.

Speaker 23 (01:29:11):
Putting them all together, big game obviously from spun Diggs,
was that an emphasis this week and match up. You
guys saw just where the ball was going.

Speaker 3 (01:29:18):
That's just where the ball is going.

Speaker 22 (01:29:19):
And and you know, Steph and everybody's done a nice job.
And if we continue just to believe in the quarterback
that he's going to throw it to the guy who's
open in the progression, that that good things will happen,
and you know, we get down there in the red
zone and everybody's going to score. We got plenty of
plays down there, and if everybody just stays, stays the

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course and does the right things and does all the
things that helps the team, that those plays are going
to come for them in the red zone. It's just
like the defensive line and they want sacks and they
want all this, but you know, Barbar's disrupting the quarterback
and it's getting holding calls, and I know I don't
want them to be frustrated, but I see those things.
Pop Douglas would have liked to have had a couple
extra catches today, but he also turned and blocked and

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Hunter Henry ran down the sidelines, and nobody's going to
say that unless I say it. Uh, And so those
are the things that matter, not the guy catching a touchdown.

Speaker 7 (01:30:08):
That's the easy part.

Speaker 22 (01:30:09):
The hard part is the guy that didn't get the
ball thrown to him, that turns immediately and blocks his
guy and we score from you know, the twenty five
yard line.

Speaker 1 (01:30:16):
Thank you, tremendous Rabel at the end. In my opinion,
like highlighting. You know, yeah, touchdowns are nice and everything
like that, but how about Pop Douglas on the Hunter
Henry play in.

Speaker 10 (01:30:28):
A marathon before he started.

Speaker 6 (01:30:32):
A boisterous after this.

Speaker 7 (01:30:34):
Yeah, I haven't been in.

Speaker 1 (01:30:35):
I didn't hear the locker room yet. I think I
think they want to take on the persona of their coach.
He's business life. You know, they needed to come out
and win today. He was business like today. And I think, well,
he's boyster in the game. Yeah, during the game. Line,
he's the energizer, buddy.

Speaker 10 (01:30:53):
He was in line on one of those touchdowns, Henry touchdowns.

Speaker 1 (01:30:59):
Yeah, I think the Dutchess persona during the game.

Speaker 10 (01:31:01):
Yeah, I think he's out of his mind.

Speaker 1 (01:31:03):
Yeah, but I think he's more business like after the game,
don't you.

Speaker 10 (01:31:06):
I don't what did you see?

Speaker 14 (01:31:08):
You know?

Speaker 5 (01:31:09):
I think the energy is just the epitome of saying
even kil like we were joking, you know, you say,
don't get let the highs get too high and the
lows get too low. I think, like you said, you
saw it.

Speaker 10 (01:31:20):
That's a postgame press conference.

Speaker 1 (01:31:22):
That's what it's eight minutes after the game. I don't know.

Speaker 10 (01:31:25):
I don't know what he was like in the in
the locker room. I don't know what. I don't know.
I can't answer that. I don't know.

Speaker 9 (01:31:30):
Wow, I think he's a really excitable guy. In the sideline.
I don't think his business like on the side he's the.

Speaker 1 (01:31:36):
I couldn't agree anymore.

Speaker 10 (01:31:39):
Now, I'll take this over Belichick any day. Yes, I
like my guy. I like him. Now as long as
you're you're focused.

Speaker 9 (01:31:46):
I don't want, Yeah, I don't want like fred used
to get really annoyed at like Robert Salah. Remember you say, like,
you know what when he was defensive coordinating, He's like
rolling on the sleep And I kind of agree with
you on that, Freddie. We've always been locked, like I
need my coach to be coaching, not cheerleading. But when
plays happened the.

Speaker 6 (01:32:03):
Players of the special team coordinators.

Speaker 9 (01:32:05):
Yeah when, But when the play's over, I don't mind
the Vabel reactions.

Speaker 10 (01:32:09):
Yeah, I get excited. You just made a good play, right.

Speaker 1 (01:32:12):
I think Mike's got a really good but your guys
don't like it, especially now.

Speaker 10 (01:32:16):
That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 9 (01:32:17):
I think it's funny how it changes when it's your
guy doing the clapping, That's all I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:32:21):
I think Mike's got a good grasp on his team,
and I think he knows you know how to pump
him up and when things are down and you know
they need a boost, I think, and we've seen it,
or I've seen at least looking at some of the
bench material over the first three games. Mike's there to
try to keep to pick people up.

Speaker 7 (01:32:35):
Let's get up.

Speaker 1 (01:32:35):
All it's going to take is one play. It just
takes one play to get us going. And I think
he's got a good grasp when his team with that. Now,
let's listen to the players, with the theme obviously being
Marcus jon and his Pumar returner. But we start off
with the quarterback Drake.

Speaker 24 (01:32:47):
May shoot our fundamentals and back to kind of stablishing
our did I feel like we did that and probably
we didn't hurt ourselves. You know, a few piloties that
we would like to have back, and obviously some three
and ounce that we could have, you know, done a
better dropping first down. But you know, I think in
prout of the defense, they put some great spots. You know,
Marcus Jones, I can't say enough about him. Shoot, he's

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play the best in the game at it. So, you know,
I think it was a full team effort and proud
of the guys.

Speaker 6 (01:33:13):
The first plant.

Speaker 14 (01:33:15):
The main thing that I always think about is getting
the first first down. That's the first thing that I
was thinking about, and just getting the offense in a
great position. I had someone on my leg for a
little minute, but then I got out and I was like,
let me try to find some blocking and everything. But
I commend my teammates because they never stopped whenever you
know they could, and you know, they blocked the guys
that you need to block for sure to end up

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opening up lanes.

Speaker 23 (01:33:36):
So Drake, you lit up when you were talking about
Marcus there briefly, what what does that play, the first
one in particular, do for the team, because it seemed like,
I don't know, maybe we're in a little bit of
a rudder early on.

Speaker 24 (01:33:46):
And then yeah, it's nice, Skyley, it's good. It's fun
seeing that you kind of always know. I think, you know,
when he's back there, you've got a chance to get
a great return, and he's always you know, I think
the best thing about is he is it makes you
feel comfortable when he's back there making a great detaiy
touchback or whatever he's doing. And I sure hope they
keep kicking it to him because he's he's fun to watch.

Speaker 3 (01:34:06):
What's your mindset there is you're making that cut and
trying to get vertical.

Speaker 14 (01:34:10):
It's pretty simple. Run fast, don't get caught. That's the
main thing that I kind of think about.

Speaker 25 (01:34:17):
Yeah, I mean it was it was great to get
out there. Like I talked about earlier in the week,
all I do and want to do is play football.
So it was fun to finally get out there, get
out there in the home game and crowd was rocking,
and being out there with the guys.

Speaker 24 (01:34:31):
It was a lot of fun.

Speaker 23 (01:34:33):
Marcus, I have to ask you about the second one,
the long one. Yeah, are you gonna are you gonna
hear this about this for a long time? I am
sure how that play?

Speaker 14 (01:34:41):
Yeah, so whenever it happened. And what's crazy is usually
when someone gets tackled, they get tackled right then and there.
But I got clipped and then ran and fell and
I was just like, oh, I know they gonna say
some stuff about me in the meeting room. So I'm
here from there, I'm here from my family. But it's
part of the game and everything. So yeah, I think

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we just wanted to come out and be us.

Speaker 26 (01:35:03):
It was a big thing is just being us and
falling in the trap of you know what's in front
of us or what's behind us. Being us was crucial
and he had a hell of a day. You know,
he's a good quarterback. You know he's starting to come along.
As you can see. He looks sharp out there. I'm
just excited for the future and just want to keep
building off. Look forward to going to work tomorrow watching
the things that I could have done better.

Speaker 3 (01:35:22):
I kind of already know.

Speaker 26 (01:35:24):
I was a little harder myself about I try to
do have a perfect day, but you know, things aren't perfect.
But I'm super excited for us to come.

Speaker 7 (01:35:32):
Dude, did you say you have that shirt?

Speaker 1 (01:35:34):
You have the one with the rips, without the with
of course about fifteen hundred with the Yeah, well it's
actually you think it is without the.

Speaker 8 (01:35:42):
Rips, probably seven dollars the rips that make the shirt.

Speaker 5 (01:35:47):
Well, I would like to see you wear that next week, please.

Speaker 7 (01:35:49):
I'll try for the audience style.

Speaker 1 (01:35:51):
I don't and he's got style. And you know what
he showed today, didn't he smile too? He showed today
he did one hundred yards. Can we talk about though
for a sec?

Speaker 8 (01:36:00):
Because I thought he was a little rusty, a little rusty,
not in a bad way, but just seemed like he was,
you know, not quite in everybody's hip pocket, like.

Speaker 7 (01:36:07):
We're gonna talk.

Speaker 12 (01:36:08):
Okay, nothing, No, I thought, and that that first catch
that he let up, uh player dug and he was
a little bit slow to react. Usually he's right in
his hip pocket. But when that player stopped short. Yeah,
Gonzo was he was. He got toasted there a little bit.

Speaker 8 (01:36:27):
Yeah, you know, game shape, he's got to get it,
get comfortable. Great.

Speaker 12 (01:36:33):
The hamstring might be one hundred percent, but he's not
one hundred percent into shape yet for sure.

Speaker 9 (01:36:38):
That's why I made a comment earlier that it was
good to get that out of you know, you win
forty two to thirteen, so you let him knock off
some rust.

Speaker 10 (01:36:45):
You're gonna need him next week.

Speaker 9 (01:36:46):
Yeah, you're gonna need him, you know, moving forward for
the for the season. Yeah, I don't think. I don't
think it was great. I don't think anything in the
secondary was great today. I think that the incomplete passes
were more result of some timely press sure and Bryce
Young you know, missed some guys for the most part,
and the fact that all their receivers were out. But

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McMillan I thought was I thought he was impressive young guy.

Speaker 10 (01:37:12):
Fourth career game.

Speaker 9 (01:37:13):
He looked the part is and I wasn't high on
him in media there.

Speaker 8 (01:37:17):
And that's what I that's the place I come to
it from is looking at him, thinking, oh, this is
another you know, tall, stiff receiver. But he's got some
bend to him, got some wiggle, some nice catches today,
you know, late in the game down the field.

Speaker 7 (01:37:29):
But that's what he's been doing. So you know, they
it's a hard place to be for Carolina.

Speaker 8 (01:37:32):
You lose like this, but you feel like, you know,
you have a definite piece in that kid.

Speaker 1 (01:37:37):
So this is like.

Speaker 9 (01:37:39):
They completely tore it down, they got rid of a
lot of their good players, and they completely tried to rebuild.
And now they're trying to do it, you know, from
the ground up, whereas the Patriots brought in a lot
of free agents, you know, two different times like Washington
during this during this rebuilding process they did in twenty one,

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they did it again this year. So there's a little
bit of a different feel that's not of you know,
that's team is not really ready, I don't think to
compete on a consistent basis. But they're going to have
to figure it out because they're not going to get
that much more time for the coach and the quarterback.
You know how much more time they're going to get.
This is year three, right for Bryce Young, and this

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is year two for jam and all.

Speaker 8 (01:38:25):
It's such a great example of you know, what year
do you suck? And who are the quarterbacks coming out
when you suck? The Patriots sucked in twenty twenty three,
and then in twenty twenty four they got Drake May,
the third quarterback taken Carolina sucked twenty twenty two, and
they get Bryce Young, who you know, at the.

Speaker 1 (01:38:40):
Time every letter taking CJ.

Speaker 10 (01:38:41):
Stroud, Sure, and that they would have looked different today, right.

Speaker 8 (01:38:45):
Right, But you got to make right choices when you
have those picks, and you know, sometimes it doesn't even matter.
I mean a lot of people had Bryce Young as
the number one guy, and now you see his limitations
and you're you're kind of stuck with what he is now.

Speaker 5 (01:38:57):
I have a call that came in from Ivan in California.
Might be the last caller of the show. Ivan.

Speaker 6 (01:39:03):
So Matt doesn't even say goodbye.

Speaker 10 (01:39:04):
Yeah, he put the hook.

Speaker 4 (01:39:08):
I was.

Speaker 5 (01:39:10):
About that.

Speaker 9 (01:39:11):
I don't know Irish and Italians, Italian something I said,
join one that you can.

Speaker 5 (01:39:18):
Sorry, Ivan, we got into a little ran.

Speaker 10 (01:39:20):
Criticized without any problem exactly.

Speaker 16 (01:39:23):
Don't worry, hey, gang. Best part about today is that
we finally beat bad football and in a convincing way.
And I think it's something that we haven't seen the
last couple of years. So there's a lot to take
from it. And also there's a lot on the tape
to clean up. And I'm with you, guys. The defense
is definitely a concern. Uh, but you know, two and

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two and finally got to win at home, which is
really important. And I think, you know, let's see what
happens going up to Buffalo. But I think it's it's
great that they thank God for our special teams number
one and uh thankfully where I think that the ear
was pointing up a bit and great May looked really

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command of the offense today and made some really good decisions.
Had a little PDSD when Romandre was you know, carrying
the ball. We got out of it. So anyway, great,
thanks guys.

Speaker 10 (01:40:20):
Thanks iving like that entire call.

Speaker 7 (01:40:24):
Yeah, yeah, I uh no, And that's what I like.

Speaker 8 (01:40:26):
It's like as as bad as Carolina was and as
much as they didn't really want to play. It still
wasn't the kind of game where it was like, yeah,
they had three pick sixes and you know, like just
made catastrophic mistakes to hand them.

Speaker 9 (01:40:36):
Like you and I said, it's not like they took
advantage of bad football. In the one seventeen thirteen. He
took advantage of bad football and one forty two to
thirteen they pasted them. Yeah, and the game was not
really in doubt from the middle of the second quarter on.

Speaker 7 (01:40:48):
Yeah, it's a good sign. Got to keep doing it, though.

Speaker 6 (01:40:52):
But it's not a good sign unless they stack up
a bunch of good games.

Speaker 1 (01:40:56):
Else we'll just remember this game.

Speaker 9 (01:40:57):
And you keep saying that because this is like people
now will aggregate it and they'll complain that that's that's
what's happening. But that's that's the what we live in.
You're saying stuff that I never said. Okay, Like this
is like the third time you're trying to say that
I didn't say this was a dominant win.

Speaker 6 (01:41:16):
I did say.

Speaker 9 (01:41:16):
You didn't say that, Like, I don't know what else
you could have done today to be to dominate. I
don't really know what else they could have done, but
you got.

Speaker 5 (01:41:23):
To stack them?

Speaker 10 (01:41:25):
Was it okay? If they lose the next four?

Speaker 5 (01:41:29):
And that's the hard part. It's a game by game basis,
so you can't really compare today because, like you said,
next week will be a different, better way.

Speaker 6 (01:41:36):
Better are yet?

Speaker 12 (01:41:37):
Yeah, so like you just said, it's game to game
like where Yep, we don't know who we are?

Speaker 8 (01:41:42):
Can I share this stat that was just shared with us?
I think it's a pretty good tweet. Drake May had
a seventy five plus completion percentage and throw two plus
touchdown passes in three consecutive games. The only player in
NFL history with a longer streak within a single season
Tom Brady's four game streak with the Patriots in Week
one to four of his MVP season and two thousand
and seven. So you know, a nice little streak there
for Drake completing passes and uh scoring touchdowns.

Speaker 5 (01:42:05):
So like they we're mentioning Hall of famers in our
stats today too. Yeah, it's liver of hope.

Speaker 6 (01:42:10):
So can you can you read that again in English?
Like like slower?

Speaker 8 (01:42:14):
So because in Layman's seventy five more than a seventy
five percent completion percentage as well as two touchdowns in
three consecutive games.

Speaker 9 (01:42:24):
So that's one of those plays where a guy celebrating
before he gets to the end.

Speaker 8 (01:42:29):
Mitchell, and the only other player to do that in
a single season was was Brady in his four game
when they blue doors in the first four games of
that two thousand and seven season. So just uh, yeah,
Drake seventy five percent completion, two plus touchdowns.

Speaker 5 (01:42:41):
And now we overreact un say he's the Brady.

Speaker 12 (01:42:44):
No, but now we that up until today they were
all short passes. So of course the completion percent that.

Speaker 7 (01:42:52):
Is going to be high.

Speaker 10 (01:42:52):
I don't need any context. He's played.

Speaker 9 (01:42:54):
He's played at a very high level, you know, for
the most part, when he doesn't turn the ball over
like he did that last week and turn it over twice.
So to your point, when you go two and two
in those games, I'm gonna guess Brady went four and all.

Speaker 10 (01:43:07):
But that's that's me that.

Speaker 8 (01:43:09):
Two thousand and seven they did in fact go furna.
Yes they didn't listen until the Super Bowl that correct.

Speaker 7 (01:43:13):
I don't know if you were there. I remember that's
in person.

Speaker 9 (01:43:16):
I wasn't play a little red zone update an except
he celebrates, did.

Speaker 6 (01:43:24):
He crossed the goal line.

Speaker 8 (01:43:25):
Though, now we have a response to everybody's like they
got a trade for a d Mitchell, No thanks.

Speaker 7 (01:43:30):
I like guys who score the touchdowns.

Speaker 1 (01:43:32):
Having on here.

Speaker 9 (01:43:34):
Yeah, I mean, I think may this is we talked
about this a little bit about a half hour ago.
I think this is the the like the sweet spot.
Like you, you keep the attempts down, and I think
you're much more able to protect him, Like Fred says,
that's the key. Once he when he has time, he
looks like he knows what he's doing. I think he
looks very comfortable in the offense right now doing what

(01:43:56):
Josh McDaniels is asking him to do. He does, and
that's why they're completing such a high percentage of passes.
They're not necessarily putting the ball in harm's way. Really
only one ball all day today, the very first one.

Speaker 10 (01:44:06):
Yeah yeah, yeah, the third the third down.

Speaker 9 (01:44:11):
You know that he kind of threw into traffic on
the first third down of the day.

Speaker 10 (01:44:15):
And he's right.

Speaker 9 (01:44:16):
You talked about, you know, the three and outs like
they had. I think they had three three and outs
in the game, but I don't care.

Speaker 12 (01:44:21):
Forty two to thirteen, and as Evan would say, you know,
the arm talent is evident. The problem he gets sometimes
is guys wide open and he short arms.

Speaker 6 (01:44:29):
It because it's mental.

Speaker 12 (01:44:31):
It's mental like it's almost like he's just better when
he just throws on the run and wings it like
but when the guy's wide open sometimes too short.

Speaker 1 (01:44:39):
It was a couple of.

Speaker 8 (01:44:40):
Ones where it's just kind of just kind of opens
up and chucks it, you know. I mean that one
is works that.

Speaker 10 (01:44:48):
The whole day.

Speaker 9 (01:44:49):
It was like as soon as it left us in
it like go no, Drake. That was I think that
might have been the first pass attempt of the day.

Speaker 7 (01:44:55):
Mike Jackson, well done.

Speaker 10 (01:45:00):
You can put the hand up when you go all right,
Well wow, what we've come to that?

Speaker 5 (01:45:08):
I feel like we've talked to you. I was saying,
we've talked about everything. I should I figure out what
exactly we can talk about. I think it's time to
rest in the show. But before we go quickly fanned,
you know, game day is here. It's here every day. Really.
You can grab a refreshing Pepsi zero sugar twelve pack
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(01:45:31):
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we get out of here, Before we go, Paul Barillo,
you say somethings cursh and myself quanti lunas.

Speaker 10 (01:45:50):
Now you're cursed.

Speaker 5 (01:45:51):
Sorry, feel the prognostic right. We have so many nicknames
for you. Thank you all for joining us. We'll be
back here next week for Week five against the Buffalo Bill.
Should be a good one.

Speaker 10 (01:46:02):
I'm want jacked up on that. Hey, this is Evan.
Thanks for tuning in to the show.

Speaker 4 (01:46:09):
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