Patriots Postgame Show 9/29: Full Analysis of 30-13 Loss to the 49ers

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
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Speaker 2 (00:11):
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Speaker 1 (00:15):
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Speaker 1 (00:28):
Hand off to Stevenson.

Speaker 3 (00:29):
Well, that's a left, big hole across the forty cuts
left off the forty five and steam rolls to the defender.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
There live from our studios inside Jullette Stadium, here's Matt Smith.

Speaker 1 (00:38):
Now I'm gonna choose to go under on forty one.
I take the under. Also thirty thirteen, something like that
coming now for your free Carol read in.

Speaker 3 (00:49):
So, I guess kudos to Paul who saw that one coming.

Speaker 1 (00:52):
You missed that. It's not kudos.

Speaker 4 (00:55):
It went over.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
Thirty to thirteen would be over, no, no, no, But
you had this, you know what. I predicted a score
and picked the under.

Speaker 3 (01:02):
Right, But you I like, I do like that's the
fact that you hit this, had the score. Welcome did
you let stadium? Everyone? Good evening for those who are
with us and you. We're here at the Patriots postgame
show presented by DraftKings, Matt Smith, Mike Dusau, and Paul Perlo,
where we just saw the Patriots lose and drop to
one and three in the season as they lose to
the San Francisco forty nine ers thirty to thirteen. Let's start,

(01:26):
go around the horn, get initial reactions, do so, I'll.

Speaker 1 (01:28):
Start with you, sir. Yeah, disappointing start.

Speaker 4 (01:31):
I mean, I think the turnovers really set the tone,
and then they just weren't able to crawl out from
under that start, even though San Francisco I felt like
gave them some opportunities in the second half, and I
think a lot of you know, better teams would have
been able to maybe crawl back into that game. I mean,
you're you're down, you know by two scores, you have
the ball, you have a chance maybe to close it
to a one score game early in the fourth quarter,
and you know, they just couldn't string enough together today.

Speaker 1 (01:53):
More injuries continuing to pile up.

Speaker 4 (01:56):
So just just a really tough day, hard to swallow.
I think you were hoping for more than this. You're
at least hoping for a little bit more scrappiness in
a defeat. But they did fight a little bit in
the second half, but overall just that they couldn't overcome
that start.

Speaker 1 (02:08):
Paul, Yeah, I have a hard time. I agree with
everything Mike just said. I have a hard time, you know,
beating them up, you know, and they were because they're
beat up. No, beating them up.

Speaker 3 (02:19):
No, no, no, I know that.

Speaker 1 (02:20):
No, not because they're beating up. The other team was
far more beat up than you were. They just don't
have the horses to compete, right, And this is a
roster problem, yep. And I'll probably get criticized again this
week for you know, taking some shots. I just feel
like when you watch Nick Bosa, you know, coming off
the edge on Michael went Who and Demontre Jacobs. I'm

(02:41):
supposed to get mad at Demontre Jacobs for not doing
a better job of holding them up. Yeah, you know.
I mean Jacoby Brissett took some sacks today. They probably
had some time to throw the ball away, but there
were others that he's got like three guys in his
face and you're like, how can he not throw the
ball to to Mario Douglas or Jalen Polk, Like well,
because he wearing three guys, I have a hard time

(03:03):
like this is I mean, am I disappointed? Yeah? I
mean I said fast start, right, you want to try
to compete in the game, you gotta get off to
a fast start. Well, they come out, they go three
yards at a time is typically the case. They punt,
then they go up a ninety yard drive and they're losing.

(03:23):
You know, both teams have had the ball once and
you're losing already. They weren't able to get off to
a fast start. But again, it's a personnel issue to
me more than anything else right now, and until they
fix some of those obvious deficiencies they have from a
personnel standpoint, I find it hard to believe they can
compete with teams as talented as in San Francisco.

Speaker 3 (03:44):
I think you're dead on that one. So I asked you, guys,
if this one was winding down, it was a tough one.
A Thursday or show ago in the Medal Lands against
the Jets, we'd hope to see more spunk. I think,
as you had said, Mike, in this game, which what
does is there one that feels worse? As they've lost
these two in a row, three losses total in a row,
A mask between the San Francisco game and the New

(04:05):
York game, Paul, I.

Speaker 1 (04:07):
Thought they were very similar. I think San Francisco's better
than New York, correct, But I thought the Jets played
much better than the Niners played today. I thought that
the Niners, the Niners played a game today that if
you would like brought your Cincinnati game, that was a
game you could have competed in if you had played really,
really well. Now, the Patriots didn't, not trying to not
trying to paint a you know, an overly positive pitch

(04:28):
of the Patriots didn't play well either, but the Niners
really gave them a lot of opportunities to sort of find,
you know, right, you know, we'll get to the good,
the bad, and the injured. But like not capitalizing on
opportunities early in the game, turning the ball over, committing
numerous penalties in the Patriots still weren't competitive. So I
think it was very similar to the Jets game. I
think the Niners are better than the Jets, but I

(04:50):
thought the Jets played better than the Niners. I see
the Nuancer painting.

Speaker 4 (04:53):
I would just say, personally, this one felt worse to me,
just because I think this felt more like reality setting
in and that was that you had, you know, a
extended break to get ready for this game.

Speaker 1 (05:02):
I said, that's a Matt off air.

Speaker 4 (05:03):
You still came back, you know, reminder stevens At fumbling
out of the gate just like that. I mean, what
worse way. I mean, And that's how the team must
have felt too, this guy. I mean, all week long,
we're in front of his locker asking him about it.
He's saying, you know, he's accountable, I'm putting it on tape.
Those kind of things just a terrible way to start
the game, not only just for the fumble itself, but
I think just not with the team needed.

Speaker 1 (05:23):
And you know, and now you have these injuries piling up.

Speaker 4 (05:26):
And I mean I mentioned a few times in the
pregame show the twenty twenty game. I mean, guys, you know,
twenty twenty for me was like, well, this is a
rebuild year, this is a restart. I mean, the numbers
look frightening, frighteningly similar. I mean, they got doubled up
in yardage. I know, the forty nine ers really made
mistakes at the end that that kind of colored the
outcome a little bit, I'd say, But overall, it just
felt like we're back four years ago now and we're

(05:47):
on another team that has a long way to go,
has a lot of injuries, and has a lot of
personnel questions that they're gonna have to answer in the
coming season.

Speaker 3 (05:54):
So just to accentuate to start mic that you were
just alluding to. First four possessions for the Patriots were punt, fumble, interception,
lots of downs. That's a tough way. You're not gonna
win many games. It's hard to stay in the game
unless you have San Francisco helping.

Speaker 1 (06:09):
You stay in the game. When you start like that,
you had to be perfect, and they were far from it.
You know, Like I said, if they played a Cincinnati
like game the way the Niners played today, they would
have I don't know if they would have won the game.
But the way that San Francisco played today, if they
had played perfect like they did against Cincinnati, I think
this game is much more competitive. But you making the mistakes.

(06:30):
Match just talked about a fumble on the second drive,
it picks six on the third drive, You're not gonna
You're not gonna stick around with Since San Francisco playing like.

Speaker 3 (06:38):
That, Okay, it wasn't a lot of the first But Mike,
let's get to it. The good, the bad man.

Speaker 1 (06:42):
It's time for the good, pretty.

Speaker 4 (06:44):
Good, pretty good, the bad.

Speaker 5 (06:50):
And the injured.

Speaker 1 (06:51):
Ah ah, you are right, guy?

Speaker 3 (06:58):
Well, uh was there more good this week than last week?
And I think you're gonna have to The special team
unit as a whole at least provided you a little
bit of a spark. They made some plays on special
teams this week, didn't they.

Speaker 4 (07:12):
I think I think Joey Sli made some kicks.

Speaker 1 (07:14):
Joey Slide made my list. Joey sl sixty three and
fifty four yards.

Speaker 4 (07:19):
That's a that's a long that's a long field goal.

Speaker 1 (07:21):
So yeah, seventeen yards of field goals.

Speaker 4 (07:24):
There you go.

Speaker 1 (07:25):
I mean it's in my list. Go ahead.

Speaker 4 (07:27):
I'm trying not to be facetious, because you know, I
do think he deserves credit for, you know, I want
to kick in competition this summer. I think it was
a you know, I don't know if it was necessarily
neck and neck, but guy came in won the job,
and so far this season he's really delivered on what
they needed him to do, especially when he had some
inconsistency last year going from Nick Folk who seemed to
hit everything inside of fifty yards, and now all of

(07:48):
a sudden, you know, you've got a guy who's who's
hitting long kicks. So I think that's encouraging it. Really,
what does it mean in the grand scheme of things,
I'm not sure that much. But you have to feel
pretty good about Joey Slyan and the start he's had
through four games.

Speaker 3 (08:00):
Punter was decent again today, and I thought they got
a little something from Marcus Jones in the return game.

Speaker 1 (08:05):
So I thought their special teams were decent.

Speaker 3 (08:07):
It's hard to give him credit on the fumble recovery
to start the second half because the kid just dropped it. Yeah,
so I mean, good for them that they recovered it.
You know, when a scrambled drill at the bottom of
the pile that I think it was Ellis that came
up with the ball, So good for him on that.
But that's a tough one to give your special teams
a lot of credit for. So next we move to
the bad Paul.

Speaker 1 (08:28):
Oh, no, I have Joey sly I I have three
goods well special teams. Yeah, I mean I thought the
kicker was outstanding and I had him on my list.
I thought Gonzales was really good today, and it didn't
really matter because they seem to find guys that were
open away from him. But I thought every time they

(08:50):
showed an iso, not the little package they put together,
which those don't do anything for.

Speaker 3 (08:56):
Then they mushed him after the You can't because.

Speaker 1 (08:58):
You can't really see what happens on the play, but
I thought, yeah, I mean, this is a good play
right there. Even then tackle, you know, a good tackle,
you know that, And I thought this is sort of emblematic.
Like last week he missed that tackle and Alanlizard went
for I think he was involved in one. It might
not have been the one with Lizard, but he got
beat on one of those plays, Garrett Wilson inside the ten,

(09:18):
and he got down inside the five, so this was
that was a good tackle. I think he has competitive coverage.
They went bombs away in the second half and every
one of them was wide open except for the one
on Christian Gonzalez. He had excellent, excellently coverage. So I
thought he was good today and he got a spot.
He's the only guy I thought played. They try to
make a big deal of the defense today. Four hundred

(09:38):
and thirty one yards. And you know, I'm not telling
you they laid down, because I don't think they laid
down last week either. I think they played hard. I
just don't did that that good. And I think the
other team did anything I wanted today offensively, defensively and whatever.
But I thought Gonzales was good. And the only other
thing I had on my list was the two red
zone stops in the first first quarter.

Speaker 3 (09:58):
Yeah, yeah, that's to your point about the defense at
least competing.

Speaker 1 (10:02):
No, I think they play hard. They just they play well. Yeah,
like I think that they on the broadcast, they were
trying to say, like how the defense is keeping them
in the get know, they weren't so like the first
drive went ninety yards, like first time San Francisco got
the ball, they started from inside their ten.

Speaker 4 (10:15):
I think that's that'll be one of the themes this
week will be reality hitting the Patriots defense of anyone
who tried to say that that this unit was still
really good. I mean, every single ranking that they're gonna
have coming out is going to have them at the
bottom of the league. And it's just it is.

Speaker 1 (10:29):
What it is.

Speaker 4 (10:29):
That's that's what it is. You can talk about injuries.
We can talk about personnel departures that were not replaced,
but it's it's not a good defense right now. They
don't have the horses up front your goods. I think
that's it for me.

Speaker 1 (10:41):
I mean I did.

Speaker 4 (10:41):
I'm gonna shout out Baringer though, I mean, I just
he continues to put guys inside the fifteen yard line.
I just I think it doesn't again, like when teams
are driving ninety yards on you, it doesn't really end
up mattering all that much. But for four before, for
four inside you know, I guess what maybe like eleven,
I mean inside the fifteen, you know, a nice net
average for him. So I mean, I look, I I'm
sick of this. In the postgame show highlighting the kickers.

(11:02):
I mean, that's you know, these are the only guys
because they're getting opportunities. But you know, it is what
it is with with Baringer. He means he's still doing
a pretty good job.

Speaker 3 (11:10):
I like to I like Paul bringing up Gonzalez because
I think that's legitimate. You know, he's certainly trending in
the right direction for a guy as as Ballyhood as
he is high pick uh going against pretty good offenses
and really good receivers the first four weeks of the year,
and I think he's more than held his own.

Speaker 4 (11:27):
I just will say this about Christigan Zalez. I don't know,
you know, what the narratives are out there, We get
caught in a lot in the wash of like, all right,
so this is what eight games for the kids, So
eight games into his career, I'm excited about him. He's
got to continue to progress, but he's I can't say
a lot about the defense right now. He's one piece
to build around for sure.

Speaker 3 (11:44):
Good point. Okay, let's why didn't you kick things off.

Speaker 4 (11:47):
With bad Stevenson. I mean, that's just don't I don't
know how you spend all week answering to it. I
can't even imagine what it was like behind the scenes
for him, having, you know, being put up on film.
I'm guessing being called out those.

Speaker 1 (11:59):
Kind of things.

Speaker 4 (11:59):
But even if even if he wasn't, like I said earlier,
we talked to him in front of his locker about it.
He's getting questioned repeatedly to go out then, and what
was it maybe a second or third carry of the game. Whoop,
it's out And it wasn't really even a hit, it's
just I mean, you know, you get an arm in
there and you just kind of pull it out.

Speaker 1 (12:15):
I like, it just set the tone for the whole game.

Speaker 4 (12:17):
I mean, I think the Patriots probably felt the same
way I felt, where it's like, man, if you can't
even clean up your most glaring mistake from the first
three games and you're carrying it into the fourth game
on your second possession, it's a really bad sign, and
it's just deflating to the whole team.

Speaker 1 (12:31):
So what do you do in that situation, Mike?

Speaker 3 (12:33):
Because Mayo has said himself that ball security is job security.
He fumbles early on in the game, I think there's
some old school people who think he's gonna then ride
the bench for the rest of the game, and he didn't.

Speaker 1 (12:45):
Your thoughts about that, well, my thoughts were that.

Speaker 4 (12:47):
They had a ton of They had a ton of
a ton of football left in that game, and he's
one of the only players that you really have felt
good about this year that you feel could be productive.
I mean, the passing game did some did a few
more things than they've done the past couple of weeks,
but overall, I just I don't think that they they
fooled themselves into believing that they had enough to win
without Ramandri Stevenson and I don't know.

Speaker 1 (13:05):
I mean, that's a great debate.

Speaker 4 (13:06):
You can talk about your coaching philosophy if you think
it will work, if you think sitting him down will work.
I mean, personally, if you spend all week focusing on
it and talking to him about it and that didn't work,
it might be time now to switch it up and
try something else. Because look, four straight.

Speaker 1 (13:19):
Games of the fumble, I mean today's I mean, I
understand there's no such thing as a good fumble, but
that was a bad fumble today. Fumble. He was not
really hit, He just kind of got swatted at. Yeah,
lost the ball. Like we talked a lot about how
his fumbles have come in scrums. You know, he's got
like five yards, he's got three or four guys on him,

(13:39):
and they're ripping the ball loose as he's going to
the ground. That wasn't the case today. Wasn't as bad
as the fumble that the Niners had on the opening
kick of the second half when no one hit him.
But yeah, I mean, I understand you're questioning Matt and
it's more than fair. I just don't think that's a
way to fix it, you know, like when you don't

(14:01):
have yet. First of all, you don't really have enough options. Offensively,
he's all you got, and if you're gonna put him
on ice, I mean I get it at some point,
you know, I don't care how talented you are. If
you're fumbling once a game, that's not acceptable. And he's
fumbling once again, and.

Speaker 3 (14:17):
You've got the stats in front of you their Paul
to see what he finished at I'll give him the
player credit. You know, he rebounded, he ran hard, he
had a couple of decent runs. There wasn't a lot there.
He got popped, and we just saw it in some
of the highlights that they ran a second ago. He
got hit right on the screws at one point and
he held onto the ball. So kudos to him for
not fumbling or not maybe letting that get to him.

(14:38):
But it just, I mean, the timing couldn't have been worse.

Speaker 1 (14:42):
You're seeing in the difference like that opening game when
they raise on the screen where he just got drilled.
They ran the ball really well in that first game,
and they haven't been able to run it at all
since you know, he has three point three yards to carry, like,
that's not on it. And that's if you take the thirteen.

Speaker 4 (14:59):
Yard out, it wo been twelve for thirty, I mean
it would have been.

Speaker 1 (15:02):
Yeah, So he's got nothing, Hasty got nothing, Gibson got nothing.
They can't run the ball with any degree of consistency.
And we saw like and we said it at the
time those first two weeks when they had like one
hundred and eighty yards rushing wherever it was, it was
so much by Gibson and Stevenson after contact and it's

(15:23):
just not a way to live. You can't consistently break
tackles and pick up that kind of yardage, and the
last two weeks they haven't been able to do it.

Speaker 4 (15:30):
Now makes you think teams get a little more experienced tackling.
They're doing more of it now they get a couple
games under their belt, those broken tackles aren't happening as much.

Speaker 1 (15:37):
That's twenty and that's twenty two carries too, like you know, Stevenson, Hasty,
Gibson thirteen three and six. So it's not like they
didn't try to run the ball today.

Speaker 4 (15:46):
Yeah, you know, that's.

Speaker 1 (15:46):
That's twenty two carries. You just couldn't get anything going.

Speaker 3 (15:49):
Mike, do you want to add anything or what else
would you like to add to your bad list?

Speaker 6 (15:52):
No?

Speaker 4 (15:53):
Uh, geez, I'm a little caught up.

Speaker 1 (15:55):
How do you have someone cute?

Speaker 5 (15:56):
Right?

Speaker 1 (15:57):
I mean I have you know, my kind of stuff,
Mike that you always tease me about. I just thought
there was some curious I thought coaching decisions. Early in
the game. Matt and I talked a little bit about
one of them, you know, off air before we started up.
It's to me it was a couple of different junctures.
The first drive they by no means where they you know,

(16:20):
lighting it up. They it took them nine plays to
go twenty nine yards, right, So it's it's a tractor pull. Wow. Right.
So they're facing a third and three on the niner
side of the field. You know, they're at like the
forty three yard line or something. You're you're a run
oriented team, line up and run it right, and you

(16:41):
get two downs to pick up three yards. Yeah, you
throw it on third and three. It's incomplete. Now it's
fourth and three. Now, I don't think you can go
for it, you know, now, I think you probably got
a punt they did. I agreed with the decision. A
couple of possessions later, it's thirteen to nothing and they're
faced with a a fourth down, fourth and one from

(17:02):
down thirteen. Well yeah, well within field goal range, and
they go for it and get stuffed up the middle,
you know, with just as Greg Olsen said, just a
really uninspired we're gonna bring the extra tight end here
and just do exactly what it looks like we're gonna do.
We're gonna run right at you. And the play had
no chance. So I thought those two decisions Alex Van

(17:24):
pell Gerrod Mayo, the whole the whole thought process there,
I thought was worthy of a second. Guess, I guess.

Speaker 4 (17:31):
I guess I would Uh, I would play as much
as he took a beating it was under duress. I
just think that the turnovers with Kobe uh, for me,
that that's the that's the red line for him. And
it's okay when he's not turning the ball over, but
when he's turning the ball over. Was it three times total?
I guess after I mean a couple of these fumbles
that I know he recovered one his own.

Speaker 1 (17:50):
Then he had, Yeah, he fumbled a couple three times.
I think he only he only lost one of them.

Speaker 4 (17:55):
But he threw a pick and then the interception.

Speaker 1 (17:57):
And to your point, I thought the pick, he held
the ball a little long, and I thought they had it.
Looked like Polk was coming free over the middle. You're
looking at it here on your screen. You can see
right there, you know, and I understand Fred Warner is
a great player. Play by Warner, but that play is
not getting completed. You know, if it's you know whoever

(18:17):
playing linebacker, it might not be a pick six with
anybody else, but that play is going to get broken up.
There's a guy in between you and where you want
to throw the ball, and you didn't get it over him.
So I agree with Mike. I think you're starting to
see the effect this is, you know, the people that
don't want to play Drake May. This is why they
don't want to play Drake May. And I understand it

(18:40):
because I don't care how experienced you are, I don't
care how talented you are. When you get hit time
and time again, it's going to affect a your decisions
and be your performance. And we saw that today. He's been,
you know, pretty good protecting the football and Mike is right,
like the what did you say, like the line there? Yeah,

(19:01):
you know there's like a thin line like he's protecting
the ball, he's giving us a chance to win. He's
doing it well. Now today he didn't. And I don't
think that's a coincidence that after four games of getting
the stuffing knocked out of him, you're starting to see
some some turnover worthy plays. To use the jargon from PFF.

Speaker 3 (19:18):
Four decision making, And I would agree with you. I
had Brissette, I had Stevenson, obviously I had decision making.
Paul's you and I talked about it. Is I've seen
a little bit of online noise. Do just Taekwon Thornton
deserved to be grouped in that or is it like
just two plays?

Speaker 1 (19:33):
Yeah? I mean like like Whatton's impact in that game,
he had a block in the back that negated a
trick play first down, Like, does it's just people think
that that was the swing play in the game.

Speaker 7 (19:45):
No.

Speaker 4 (19:45):
I just think that's what's hard with the good, the bad,
and the injured. When you're just not playing that well,
it's like it's just it's not functional right now.

Speaker 1 (19:52):
So you can go around and.

Speaker 4 (19:53):
Point little individual fingers that everybody when Really, to me,
what I just saw was a team that is a
ways off from be able to execute on both sides
of the ball at a level needed to compete with
teams like this.

Speaker 3 (20:06):
Okay, let's let's look at the injured, and that certainly
isn't very good as well, on a team that's depth
is questionable to begin with. Who needs every able body
possible to play? And who came into this game with
some people out? They lost three very big contributors, Senator
David Andrews going down very early with the shoulder didn't return.

(20:30):
I'd hesitate to call Leverett good, but I didn't see
any disaster. I didn't see he snaps rolling back to
Pricent or anything like that. So kudos to the kid
for kind of hanging in there. That position has obviously
been a position of concern backup center since the beginning
of training camp, so seeing Andrews walk off the field
is really not a good sign. Kyle Dugger goes out

(20:51):
in the first half and doesn't return, was carted off. Actually,
that didn't look good. And while I'm not sure that
coverage is Dougger's strength in his game, and he's got
a lot of strength in his game. I think him
going out. You saw the Niners attack the middle of
the field when he went out and they had some
success with that. And last, but not least, is Kayden

(21:12):
Wallace and who came into the game banged up and
when he was being helped off the field by two
of his teammates, that didn't.

Speaker 1 (21:19):
Look good now term at all. Didn't no ankles for
Dougger and Wallace right, and then the shoulder like you
guys said the only thing I'd said. I mean, I
think the Dugger loss, I think is big. That's a
big loss. He's a he's a good player, but it's
Jalen Hawkins back there, not Kyle Dugger for the most part.
So I'm not sure that bombs away was correlated with
with Dougger. I kept saying to you, Mike, like how

(21:42):
you know, how are the Niners getting that safety to
bite and like, you know, like the first one, it
looked like Hawkins jumped, you know, the the over route
and left Jonathan Jones one on one and Jones did
not fare well. Marcus Jones was in better position on
the bomb that he allowed, but is trailing and really

(22:04):
interfered before Jennings made the catch. Where is the safety?
And you know, and I think that's Jalen Hawkins. Yeah, yeah,
it's at least on the first one. I still look
at the film and the two man.

Speaker 4 (22:17):
H but it's no. And I think the big plays
were just a big problem. And that for me as
like a you know, defensive starting point. You can't give
up big plays. And that's another thing. First couple of weeks,
not really giving up the big plays. Last couple of games,
they've been a problem in this one.

Speaker 1 (22:34):
And just like to illustrate that, Mike, you know, the
Niners come out and they do what they normally do
that you know, they're running running Jordan Mason, they're throwing
short to to Ayuk, they're throwing short to to de
Bow and Kittle and those guys. Then all of a sudden,
you know, they have some success. They're getting you know,
they're lathering you up a little bit. And then all
of a sudden, it's like, hey, now that you guys

(22:55):
are playing, you're gonna start sitting on some of the
short stuff. Here we go, we go and they and
they had two bombs that they hit, another one that
they tried in uh and missed on because Gonzales Allis
had the good coverage and kudos. Like I said, I mean,
I thought today was Gonzalez's best game. I know everybody
agree with that. Everybody's been gushing about his performances every week.
But I didn't see him really around a guy who

(23:17):
caught the ball today at all.

Speaker 3 (23:18):
Paul and I disagreed on this one. I wouldn't put
him in the good category, but I thought, again I
mentioned on special teams, I thought Marcus Jones gave you
a little something. I actually didn't think his coverage on
the Jennings play. Paul and I disagree.

Speaker 1 (23:29):
He thought that was clearly interference. Oh to me, it
was definitely an afference, but it was competitive cover. To me,
what it shows.

Speaker 3 (23:35):
It's again it's the five three five four five five
cornerbacks against a guy like Jennings. I mean, Jones does
everything he can just be competitive in that play. He's
just out physical in that play.

Speaker 1 (23:47):
But you cannot let the guy behind you. That's the problem. Yeah,
but I do think he was competitive on the coverage.
I didn't disagree with you on that. I mean, they
just there's so much miss I thought he had a
couple opportunities today thirteen yards. Like I think I think
they needed they needed him to turn in a big play.
I thought he had some space today.

Speaker 4 (24:04):
I've actually, I mean, I think not not a lot
of silver lines, but I think he's been He's been
actually pretty decent.

Speaker 1 (24:09):
I thought, I agree for you know, let's go back
to the Mike dous quarters theory. Right, I'm gonna give
you the quarters theory. Not that you're splitting Adams with that,
but I think for the four games, I think Marcus
Jones been pretty solid.

Speaker 3 (24:22):
Yeah, and we're looking at the play that's actually the
good tackle on Deebo on one of those third downs.

Speaker 1 (24:27):
Yeah, he's scrappy, he gets in there. This was the
Kittle play where there's three guys there and killed and
this one isn't. And I thought Greg Olsen did an
outstanding job on the replay of that. This is not
Marcus Jones, says coverage on Kittle here, and it looks
like he gets beat because I was like, you know, geez,
they had three guys on him and he was still open.
But it wasn't Marcus Jones's fault. I think, you know,

(24:48):
based on the way Greg Jones, Greg Olsen rather explained it.
He's got Kittle. And then del Pettis, who continues to
play more than I would like, looks like he bites on.
Uh uh. He let Debo go over the middle when
he wasn't supposed to. And then I think Marcus Jones,

(25:10):
now Bill Belichick could probably tell you Marcus Jones was
guilty of not doing his job there. Just do your job,
you know. But he looks and sees an uncovered guy
and he goes. He took one false step and that
allowed Kittle to get open. Here. This is a bad throw.
Otherwise this would have been an easy touchdown. It's an
unbelievable catch by Kittles. And I would think the three
guys hanging on him. Defensive coaches would look at this

(25:31):
tape if you go to see how open he is
right there. The throw is just late and to the inside.

Speaker 3 (25:37):
But this is a definition of high pointing a ball,
isn't it. I mean he goes up and gets the ball.

Speaker 1 (25:42):
And strong, strong hands keeps it.

Speaker 4 (25:45):
I mean it's just so hard. I mean like there
goes Debo, Oh, here comes Kittle. Like their heads were
spinning all day today. As a as was pretty evident.

Speaker 3 (25:53):
And again, this postgame show could be six hours long,
and we're not going to get away from the very
easy simple point. They're just not really built right now
to be competitive against teams like San Francisco.

Speaker 1 (26:09):
The roster disparity is striking.

Speaker 4 (26:11):
Yeah, I mean, I hate to keep bringing up twenty twenty,
but that's, you know, kind of just how it felt
we were, like who we got out here coming to
they like Shilie Calhoun, who's that?

Speaker 1 (26:18):
You know?

Speaker 4 (26:18):
Like John Simon on the edge, Like that's how it's
starting to feel where it's like del Pettis is played
like Calhoun, you know, Like I mean that's you know,
I was looking back at that game and that's you know, that's.

Speaker 1 (26:29):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (26:30):
It's the guys departing in the offseason. It's Judeon getting traded,
and then it's a bunch of injuries and all of
a sudden, here you are kind of left with a
bunch of guys. You're you're trying to fill a bunch
of different gaps, and you know, they just they're they're
struggling to to really dictate anything on defense right now.
I mean, they got you know, the one turnover from
Jibil Peppers that was, you know, a nice catch by him.
But there aren't a lot of those plays coming down.

(26:52):
I mean, I don't know what the turnovers right now
are for the season. But as for how the offense
is playing there, the defenses cannot do enough to to
offset what's going on.

Speaker 1 (27:01):
Okay, so where do you go, coaching staff?

Speaker 4 (27:05):
I don't know, man, I mean, you got to just
go home, find out who's healthy next man up, YadA, YadA, YadA,
have a week of practice, and I mean I don't
have I don't know what the magic pill is. I mean,
I just you know, it's hard to ask guys to
play above their punching weight, you know, above their weight,
and that's you know what it feels like you're asking
right now. You're asking you know, guys who have been

(27:28):
complimentary players for most of their careers. Now you're asking
them to be full time starters, and not only that,
but to impact the game.

Speaker 1 (27:35):
And they're just they're not able to be asking Marcus
Jones to cover George Kettle, which.

Speaker 4 (27:39):
It's just I mean, when when when Kyle Dugger's out
and now you're kind of picking between Marcus Jones, Isaiah Bolden,
who I don't think has played an NFL game before,
h Jalen Hawkins, who you know is a journeyman and nice,
you know, complimentary piece. You know, del Pettis, who's not
you know, like like it's it's pick your poison in
a bad way. It's like every single one of these
is not a favorable matchup for you. There's only just

(28:01):
so much you can do with the person on left. Uh.
You know, I think they'll get I guess a little
bit of a raake. We'll see how Miami looks. But
I don't know. I mean, I'm not penciling in anything
with this team playing at this time.

Speaker 3 (28:11):
But you know, we talk about spots. You're gonna get
Miami coming in off of a short week. You know,
they're without their quarterback. We know Tua won't play next week.
We don't know who will play, you know, depends on
I guess what happens tomorrow night. But Paul, this is
pretty and easy. This is a pretty easy spot to
get discouraged at one and four. You don't see a
lot of hope.

Speaker 1 (28:29):
I don't know if it's yet, you know, I don't
see what happens with Miami tomorrow night. But if Miami
were to win that game tomorrow night and look decent
doing it, I don't think it's a good spot for
the Patriots.

Speaker 3 (28:41):
No, when I say spot, it's not a good spot
being one and four and have having kind of had
their lunch handed to them the last two weeks, Like
this is a time. How do you keep the locker
room together and not be discouraged losses?

Speaker 1 (28:53):
Yeah, I mean you just a professional. No, No, like
it's it's it's still September, Like you got to play.
You gotta find The first thing is you got to
figure out a way to at least make the offensive
line competitive. In the last two weeks they haven't been competitive.
That's where it's got to start. And if you can

(29:15):
do that, then maybe you can put together some sort
of as semblance of a passing game, because right now
you can't. You can't win with one hundred yards passing
every game. And I know they ended up with more
than that today because Antonio gets ripped off a forty
fifty yard play. At the end of the game. They're,
you know, two possessions to the fourth quarter before you're

(29:38):
getting over one hundred yards passing like. You can't win
NFL games doing that. And the reason you can't do
more than that is obvious. It's upfront. And if they
can't become more competitive upfront, it's not going to change.

Speaker 4 (29:51):
And now you're looking at Trey Jacobs, probably because Kateen
Wallace don't look like he's playing anytime soon, and maybe
Nick Leverett are now in.

Speaker 1 (29:58):
Miami's going to look at that next week and they're
gonna say, well, we have Jalen Phillips, and you know,
we have an opportunity to put that kind of pressure
on the passer, and maybe we can dial up some
things with our linebackers and get aggressive and dare them
to beat us over the top. We stopped the run
and get after them on third down. Who's to say
we can't win a ten to seven game. That's the

(30:19):
way Miami's got to look at it, right, Yeah, a chance.

Speaker 3 (30:21):
Of Patriots get their second choice at left tackle back
next week in Low. I'm not trying to tell you
that he's a difference, man.

Speaker 1 (30:28):
I mean the fact that he was on Friday today,
Tom was not, I mean this week was not a
good A good.

Speaker 4 (30:33):
Seem like he's close, But I mean, if I'm Miami too,
I'm looking at the defense that produced one sack tonight
and say, you know, whether it's Tim Boyle or Skyler
Thompson or whoever.

Speaker 1 (30:43):
Just don't turn it over.

Speaker 4 (30:44):
You're probably gonna have time in the pocket. It's not
you know, you're not going to be under a lot
of duress. So just take your time, get the ball
to Tyreek Hill and Jalen Waddle and let them go
to work. You know.

Speaker 1 (30:54):
I mean, it's it's the way the Patriots have played.

Speaker 4 (30:57):
I can see any team being able to see things
that they want to target because every team that they're
going to play has weapons that can exploit their weaknesses.

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Speaker 3 (35:27):
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Patriots lose to the San Francisco forty nine ers by
a score thirty to thirteen. Let's get a couple emails
out of the way. Here, Hold on just a second,
I had wow, I had one.

Speaker 1 (35:46):
All cueued up here.

Speaker 3 (35:51):
Hey, everyone, I know it's going to take some time.
The team does enough talent on offensive defense, so we
need to be patient. There's your word, patient, Mike, and
give it time to improve. It'll probably take a few
drafts to fix things. Let's stay patient. Patriots Nation. That's
Dean from Liverpool. That's not popular, but I think his
sentiment is right on the money.

Speaker 4 (36:08):
Well let me, I mean maybe kind of push back
on a little bit. I mean, it's frustrating because you
want to be patient, but you want to be patient
till the middle of the season and you want to see.

Speaker 1 (36:16):
Some real elements to build around.

Speaker 4 (36:18):
You want to see guys getting better signs of improvement,
signs of people buying into this new system that they're
that they're incorporating, and you know, it's just frustrating because
right now it just feels like you're really stuck in
neutral and it's like, for all the excitement you feel
about being patient to see Drake May, eventually it's like, well,
are we going to have anything even to put around

(36:38):
Drake May at this point? Like those are the kind
of questions you're asking yourself. There are guys to highlight,
Christian Gonzalez, you know, there are little pieces here and there,
but it's hard in a football team to highlight you know,
a handful of guys when the team as a whole
right now is you know, just basically kind of getting
punched in the mouth every every game last year.

Speaker 1 (36:56):
And it's hard to say, like, well, you don't just
have to be patient when you're you know, I understand
it's like year one of Gerard Mayo, but it's not
really year one of this, and I would I would.
I want to see progress. I want to see you know,
like the sort of the operation look better week to week,

(37:19):
not necessarily there like you could have told me they
lost thirty to thirteen today. But you know what, they
can't play much better than they played, and I think
we all would agree that that's not the case. That
you didn't see any progress today, No, I saw it
going backwards, right, Yeah, Like you know, one of the
things that was a real problem Thursday night was the

(37:39):
inability to contain Aaron Rodgers in the pocket. And we
just might Mike, you and I getting ready to do
our TV show tomorrow, like when we take Patriots unfiltered. No,
we'll argue about something and I'll agree with you because
you're just a you're a week a handsome. I mean,
it's hard to argue when the obvious is right in
front of your face, right anyway, So one of the
things that's talking about, Matt is, you know, like last

(38:02):
week they had a really hard time keeping Aaron Rodgers
in the pocket, and then rock Proty is running all
over the place today. Again, is the message not getting through?
Is it just your players aren't good? Is it just
because the players aren't good enough? Or it would seem
to me if you determined to keep a quarterback in
the pocket, you could do that. You don't need talent
to do that.

Speaker 3 (38:22):
Well, I think the coach would say, if I were guessing,
it's a lack of talent and certainly a.

Speaker 1 (38:28):
Lack of disapline, And I'm a little upset about that, Like,
at some point, can I have the coach say we
have to do a better job of scheming it up
and it is about the excess and no.

Speaker 3 (38:37):
Sometimes Dean and Scottsdale titles this with a dumpster diving
for positives. Leave it to the Patriots and ept offense
to make the forty nine ers defense look like it's
old self. I agree with Paul that other than kicking,
there was not one good phase of the game for
the Patriots. However, I think that any semblance of decent
offense would make this team very competitive overall with most teams.

Speaker 1 (38:58):
I think that's sugarcoating thing. Yes, every team, if they
had a semblance of a good offense, would be competitive
because that means both teams would have a semblance of
a good offense.

Speaker 7 (39:06):
Right.

Speaker 3 (39:07):
Uh, This is Gretchen emailing at podcasts at Patriots dot com.
Is it a sad commentary about the state of the
Patriots that I was excited about Polk's effort and almost
catch on the.

Speaker 1 (39:18):
Sideline that is a pathetic It is kind of a
sad comments comments.

Speaker 4 (39:21):
He was close than I thought it would have been.

Speaker 1 (39:23):
But absolutely, I mean, he makes a great play, but like, well,
let's just say he made Let's just say he made
the catch, he was inbounds. Let's say his shoulder game
down inbounds. That's what you hanging your hat on a
hail Mary on fourth down with two guys hanging on
your receiver.

Speaker 7 (39:36):
Right.

Speaker 3 (39:37):
Uh, this is Simon who looks like he's stating the obvious.
After four games, it's clear that the offense lacks any
of the key pieces required to function at the level
Mike describes as above the line. Our star running back
fumbles every game. Our O line is going to get
Jacoby kilt and on a few times he isn't running
for his life. He lacks a talent to make anything
happened with this group of average at best receivers. Do
you really do you guys really think putting May in

(40:00):
the middle of this is the answer?

Speaker 1 (40:03):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (40:03):
Not well at the moment, what's the question?

Speaker 1 (40:05):
I think his question there is on May, no, no, no,
But like is he the answer? I don't what is
the question? Like? Is the is the question? Do you
think that putting Drake may will make up a playoff
team or he's gonna dramatically improve. No, I don't. I
don't think that will happen. But is that something that
could help Drake may start to learn and start to

(40:25):
develop and maybe get a little excitement into the offense.
I think it could. Yeah, I think all those things
could happen.

Speaker 4 (40:31):
I just would have liked to see, you know, when
the door opened up in the third quarter and I
forget exactly what the score was. I think they were
down by exactly two scores, and you know, I just
remember thinking, like a lot of teams, a lot of
you know, scrappy peatrios, seemed they would use this opportunity
and know.

Speaker 1 (40:44):
You know, would have been one of those games like they're
getting killed. They should have left it half that, but.

Speaker 4 (40:47):
Then somehow they find a way to get back in.
And it was just you know, that one moment there,
it was like they have another opportunity as not as
they've played, They've had another opportunity and they still couldn't
take advantage of it, and that, you know, it just
it was frustration on top of frustration because I think
you kind of got over the first part you're like, well,
this is just how it's gonna go again. And then
you know, you allow yourself to be like, well it's
you don't a field goal, and then they get the

(41:08):
fumble and they score and it's twenty to ten, and
you know, twenty seven to ten. You know, So it
was I just they weren't able to execute within the
flow of the game and it changed this.

Speaker 1 (41:19):
It's a great point like the old time Patriots that
play to start the second half would have at the
very minimum been the springboard too going down to the wire.
Maybe they wouldn't have won the game, but that would
have said, well, you know, can't let Bella Lakosi get
out of the coffin. You know that many times, like
we're gonna you know, we're gonna do it. We're gonna

(41:40):
get back in this game, because that's what the Patriots
would do it.

Speaker 4 (41:43):
And I mean they almost, I mean they probably literally
did luck into We talk all about the like ending
strong in the second quarter. They've had some real struggles
this year with ending the first half and then coming
into the third quarter the ball and then you know,
San Francisco came move the ball off the goal line
there at the end of the first half, and you know,
they get kind of opportune and they you know, a
mile long field goal they're able to get. And then

(42:03):
seven says, you saw San Francisco's guy running, So if
it's like they didn't even really do anything.

Speaker 1 (42:07):
But yeah, you look at seventeen yards of field goals
and they still only score at thirteen points.

Speaker 3 (42:12):
Right, one more email before we go to the calls
VZ rights. This has kind of been in my mind
for the last couple of weeks. The first seven picks
of the Patriots twenty twenty five draft should be left tackle,
right tackle, left guard, right guard, center, left tackle, right tackle.
I want their biggest free agency to also be a
left tackle. But I wonder why would a very good
left tackle want to come to a team that is
at least three, maybe more question mark years away from

(42:35):
competing for wild guard.

Speaker 4 (42:37):
You better put an edge player in there at some point,
because I'm sorry, like this pass rush is just there's
no impact. I mean, they can briefly keep Brett back
perty in the pocket, but they're not getting to them.

Speaker 1 (42:48):
They're not causing any kind of disruption or anything like that.

Speaker 4 (42:50):
It's you know, and sometimes that's by design, but it
just it doesn't feel like guys are winning one on one.

Speaker 1 (42:55):
I'm just going to continue to say, if Drake May
can play, this does not have to be a long rebuild.
It doesn't. It just doesn't. The quarterback makes that big
of a difference. Right now, everything is wrong on offense,
but if the quarterback is really good, some of those
things that are wrong on offense won't look as bad

(43:16):
if the quarterback is really good. Now, I'm not telling
you Drake May is that is that good? And I'm
certainly not telling you he's ready to be that good
because he's not ready to be that good that I know.
No one just steps on the field and does it
immediately without any help. But if he's good, you don't
have to wait three or four years to be a
wild card contender. No way.

Speaker 4 (43:36):
It's a good message of hope.

Speaker 3 (43:37):
Let's go to the phone lines. The TPX number is
eight five five pats five hundred. I'm gonna go to
Chris and Tallahassee first, and I'm gonna ask Chris a question. Chris,
is everything all right there the Big Bend area of Florida.
I know it's been a tough few days, I would
think for everybody in that area.

Speaker 1 (43:52):
I hope you're safe, sir, Yes.

Speaker 11 (43:55):
Sir, yes, sir. I appreciate you even bringing that up.
It actually took last minute turned. My prayers are with
the people of Perry right to the east of us,
so we actually left out here.

Speaker 1 (44:06):
That's good to hear.

Speaker 11 (44:08):
So how you doing, gentlemen, Paul? You look good in
that baby blue? I'm looking sharp, gentleman, Olds say, right.

Speaker 12 (44:21):
So, I think we know collectively the identity of this
football team.

Speaker 11 (44:25):
Heading into the season, and now I think it's even
more obvious. Depleted offensive line, lack of talent and skilled position.
So this is where I'm going to go with this,
the Drake May conversation. If you my take is that
we have the most salary cap in the league. I
believe I could be wrong. At least top three and
a clear rebuild season. I don't think you know the

(44:47):
pressure that Jacoby Resettes getting week in and week out.
I don't think it's in our best interest to play him.
Obviously immediately, I think we all agree with that. But
if you look at other examples of back sitting behind
other quarterbacks, now, Jacoby Brissette is now Aaron Rodgers to
a Jordan Love. But he's a good employee, if you will.

(45:07):
A veteran of the league knows his you know, more
off the field, I think than he is a player,
but I think a good guy to stick behind for
a little bit. I don't think we need a rush
throwing him in. I think it might break him. We
saw similar to Mac Jones. I think he was broken
by our system. What's your guys'.

Speaker 3 (45:22):
Stake, Chris, thanks for the call, and continue our thoughts
and prayers for sure to the people in the Florida,
Georgia and North Carolina. It's been a tough few days
for them. It's going to be a long clean up
for them as well. I'll let you start, Douce.

Speaker 4 (45:35):
What was the question, Max, I mean May Yeah, I
mean I'm I haven't really been moved. I mean, I
think Paul brings up you know, the great point of it.
You just you just like to see some more sparks.
I think that's that's the thing. And you can't rebuild
this whole team with your cap space next year.

Speaker 1 (45:49):
I mean that that's just not going to happen.

Speaker 4 (45:51):
The guys that they've drafted over the last couple of
years have to play better. And I mean, I think
part of the part of the frustration is that, you know,
some of these guys that you extend this offseason, they
haven't really been able to participate and help. You know,
like Anthony Jennings is out, Andrews another guy he you know,
gave a little bit ext right now, Army looks like
he's gonna be out. Barmore you extended, he's out. Doug

(46:11):
or just went out. Another leader that you're trying to
build around that you just made a captain. So it's
just kind of coming at all all angles right now
for this team.

Speaker 1 (46:19):
They have to find a way to stop the.

Speaker 4 (46:21):
Bleeding and just to put put forth some performances to
build off of. I mean, I watched a terrible, terrible
high school football game the other night. They lost forty
two to nothing, but it was still coming out of it,
it's like, well they had a couple of you know,
he had some silver linings in right now. It's it's
just it's hard pulling those out for the Patriots because
they're getting they're getting.

Speaker 3 (46:37):
Whooped Sean and East Taunton Wrights. Why didn't they put
May in and We talked a little bit about that
on the air. Was there an opportunity to clearly no
chance of winning the game and they rolled per set
out there. I'm sorry, but if we're not going to
be competitive in games, and why are we not getting
our rookie quarterback some experience five minutes left to go
in the fourth seemed like it might have been a
chance to do that they opted not to.

Speaker 4 (46:57):
Paul, Yeah, I would have gone for it. I'm not
sure what I'm not sure. I don't really have a
good reason why.

Speaker 1 (47:02):
I don't have a good reason. Yes, on the short
weekend and no here in San Francisco. Yeah, I didn't.
I wasn't feeling it. I didn't think I didn't think
it was going to happen beforehand. But I don't have
like I like the way the way Mike just put that.
I don't have a good reason as to why. I
don't think. Listen, there's nothing that's it's it's not useless.

(47:22):
Like I'm not telling you, you know those mop up
situations that I mean that that there's nothing to be gained.
I don't think there's a lot to be gained, because
I think it's way different. It's almost like preseason at
that point, like the game's over, guys just want to
get off the field and be healthy and you know,
and get to the locker room. That's not a reason
not to do it. I think, like I said, I

(47:43):
still think there's some experience to be gained by being
out there commanding the huddle and and you know, operating
the ship. I don't know. I'm sure that Gerard was
asked about it after the game. It's a popular topic
amongst the electronics. I'm I'm sure that Gerard was asked
about it after the game. I'd be curious to see
when we get from.

Speaker 4 (48:00):
I would I would point to is just the Jets
are the Jets, and that's a team you're always going
to be playing there, and you know it's a minor one,
but I'd like that idea of getting him experienced in
Metalife Stadium in front of a national audience that you know,
that kind of thing, just atmosphere wise. I know it's
not a big reason, but you know, Drake may might
not be back in San Francisco for whatever it is
eight years.

Speaker 3 (48:18):
Andrew writes that this is his first time emailing, and
I just want to say, how did Mayo not make
the decision to put Drake may in after the half.
My god, may would make this offense so much better
with his pocket movement and ability to run.

Speaker 4 (48:30):
Well, Okay, I think the pocket movement is part of
the concern with them.

Speaker 1 (48:34):
Cutting tis like, if you think it's going to get
markedly better with a rookie quarterback out there, I'm not
sure that's going to happen.

Speaker 3 (48:41):
No, uh, okay, uh, Let's go way, way way across
the pond to a different pond. Jake has been waiting
patiently on the phone, Jake from Australia. You're next on
the Patriots postgame show presented by DraftKings.

Speaker 13 (48:54):
Hi Jake, Good morning everyone.

Speaker 3 (48:58):
Hey Jake, Good morning Jake.

Speaker 11 (49:02):
Jake, bringing it back to take you earlier in the
wake when Evan and I think Mark was talking about
playing the youngsters.

Speaker 14 (49:11):
What are we doing for the rest of the season,
it's hitting down, what.

Speaker 7 (49:17):
Are we doing for.

Speaker 1 (49:20):
Well, I don't know is he's saying, like, why are
they're not playing young players?

Speaker 6 (49:25):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (49:25):
I'm not sure that what you mean, Jake, Like you
you want to you think we just got.

Speaker 13 (49:28):
To play the young guys, get them.

Speaker 1 (49:30):
Well, they're they're playing. I mean, Drake May is the
only one that is the only one not playing. Yeah,
I mean I guess Jon Baker.

Speaker 4 (49:40):
Yeah, Baker and U and Bell. But I mean you're
getting all all the Laydon Robinson they can give you.
Kateen Wallace can't stay out there.

Speaker 7 (49:48):
You know.

Speaker 4 (49:49):
I just think, I mean, at this point, they got
no depth. I mean, everybody's got to play right now.

Speaker 1 (49:52):
Right and and I think there's a difference between like,
you know, oh, you got to get your seventh round
hybrid tight end sometimes like no, like Jalen Polk's a
second round pick, he's he should play, and he is playing.
He's playing a lot. And you know, Leyden Robinson and
Cayden Wallace third and fourth round picks. You know, your
offensive lines and shambles. You should give those kids an opportunity,

(50:14):
and they have. They're getting opportunities. Drake mays not. I
think we all know why, and think we all kind
of agree that he's probably they're probably wise to be patient,
but I think the young guys are playing.

Speaker 3 (50:25):
One more Drake email before we maybe get into that
topic a little bit more. This is from Bill in California.
I got the argument that Jacoby was in to take
care of the ball and take the hits. But man,
this isn't it. He does nothing to help the team
or keep them treading water. Tell me what Jacoby is
doing now that Drake can't start. The kid, says Bill,
And so I.

Speaker 1 (50:45):
He's getting killed. Like that's that's where connect And I'm
not talking about the offensive line. I'm gonna I'm talking
about him. He will not be in his now. Listen,
if Mike is right and this is like sort of
that red line that we're saying, once you drop below
that line in its turnovers, yeah, then I'm with you, Okay,
if this is the norm and you're gonna start to
see him fumbling the ball three times a game and

(51:05):
throwing a pick six. But I just I can't get
myself to say that the amount of pressure they've been under,
Drake may is going to handle that better because he's
gonna see it coming, you know. I woof. I want
to play I want to play him because I want
him to get development. But I'm not wanting to play
him because I'm under this impression that it's gonna be

(51:26):
much better now.

Speaker 3 (51:27):
Right, So Paul, I want to let's come to this
point time of the schedule where four games played, the
Patriots are one and three. Miami team, that's not gonna
scare a lot of people with Tua coming in here,
and people would say, maybe this is a winnable game.
All of your buddies in the note all tent Paul
have circled this game as being a possible point to

(51:48):
bring Drake May in. I know the staff's got to
watch the tape. Do you see any do you anticipate
anything as far as uh seeing Drake start.

Speaker 1 (51:59):
Against the Miami Dolphins this week and not? Based on
Ian Rappaport today saying that he was a ways away
and and whatnot, it seems like they're trying to like
douse those flames a little bit or extinguish them.

Speaker 4 (52:12):
I mean, I would I can I just say if
I'm real quick, like David Andrews not being out being out,
no on Drake May. Like you're gonna put Drake May
in there with a backup center. I mean, you're already
thrown into the wolves. You're gonna throw into the wolves
with an unreliable you know. I mean, I really like
Nick Leverett as a guy seems you know, but he
was he was like if he at best with the
snaps during the summer. For me, I would I would

(52:34):
not put Drake may in if David Andrews is not
these guys.

Speaker 1 (52:36):
That's a really good point, Mike, It's an excellent point.
I just I don't I don't see it happening yet.
And I know a lot of people, you know, for
whatever reason, like they just let's forget about Tua for
a second. Let's let's pretend that Miami was Miami that
you thought going into the season. I don't know why
this was like this soft landing area that everybody like
they've Miami. Miami is a good team that obviously is

(53:00):
in disarray without its quarterback. They're the only team in
the league that scored less than you like. To me,
you have an opportunity to win the game. Why would
you play your rookie quarterback in that situation and give him,
you know, a chance to maybe give the other team
a couple of free free points, you know, Like, I'm
not sure it makes a ton.

Speaker 4 (53:19):
Of sun as I think about this game more and
more coming against Miami. Not that I've already turned the
page here an hour into the show, maybe I have,
But you know, it's it's an interesting game as far
as Paul just said, And we will see how.

Speaker 1 (53:30):
They look tomorrow.

Speaker 4 (53:31):
Maybe the narrative changes a little.

Speaker 1 (53:32):
Bit, but I doubt it.

Speaker 4 (53:33):
They've been they've been in disarray without Tua, so and
you haven't beaten them with Tua now they come in here.
I mean, this was one of the wins you were
able to get. What last year you're able to beat
Miami with with a backup quarterback? Right or two years ago?
Sorry my conflating my.

Speaker 1 (53:47):
But not last year two years ago? You know, we
know to a year year able to knock Miami out.

Speaker 4 (53:51):
But it's a little bit of a reskurandoms it's a
little bit of a referendum on all right, Well, here's
a you know, significantly hit down Miami and you're at
home against these guys. Know, are you gonna be competitive
against the division team that again, like I'm huge on
these AFC East games, games that you're gonna need to
win down at some point to make the playoffs. These
are the games that define your season. So how do
you look against a Miami team with a backup quarterback?

(54:14):
It's gonna be interesting.

Speaker 3 (54:15):
Deshaun from Virginia You've been waiting patiently on the line.
You're next on the Patriots post game show. Hello, DeShawn,
Hello guys, how are you guys doing great?

Speaker 1 (54:22):
How are you Deshaun?

Speaker 14 (54:25):
Great?

Speaker 7 (54:25):
Great?

Speaker 14 (54:26):
I don't want to touch something what Paul was talking about, like,
you know, as far how gad the defense is.

Speaker 7 (54:30):
I get all that.

Speaker 14 (54:31):
But at the same time, if you look back through
even more Braikers playing doesn't matter. If if the pasions
they have Tom Brady, how would the defense look the defense,
like I said, like he hasn't played the best. I
get all that, but it could be a lot of
person could be taken off if the offense actually actually
did something. Because they lead a league at three and out.

(54:52):
So I'm not gonna have the defense very much because
they can't score. They're very They're not confident enough to
score any points. So so that's the problem. Oh yeah, the
offense is doing anything.

Speaker 1 (55:06):
The offense, there's no question about that. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (55:11):
Kareem emails in at paid at the podcast at Patriots
dot com. Do you think that the Crafts are committed
to giving Wolf and Mayo a prolonged period to turn
this roster around. I'm going to stop right there. Yes,
I think they they are committed to doing that that.

Speaker 1 (55:23):
I mean, how I'm prolonged.

Speaker 3 (55:25):
Well, I mean, you know, I guess the devil's in
the details there. But any honest person looking at this
roster had to look at this and saying this is
not an overnight thing, you know, right, And and I'm
not suggesting they want to win, and Robert Craft has
said that repeatedly. It aches and it hurts when they
don't win. This has got to be killing him. But

(55:46):
I think he's got to look at this realistically and say,
this is not a one year turnaround for these guys.
I think he expects results coming in the roster building
phase of things, like they got to get this roster.
They're you know, in charge now, they've got to get
the roster back.

Speaker 4 (56:00):
Yeah, no, no, no question about it. And that's the
hardest thing is you just you want to have hope, right.
I mean that sounds like, you know, something Fred would say.
And I keep going back to nineteen ninety four. I
mean we bring it up with Paul all the time,
with you know, Drew Bledsoe's first season where I forget
exactly what the numbers war. I'm sure Paul can can
tell us the terms of the record, but you know,
you had hope at the end of that season, you

(56:21):
felt like you had something. You were excited to come back.
And I just that's the biggest thing. I want to
finish twenty twenty four, no matter what it looks like,
and be excited about a few things. It can't just
be oh dear God, please Drake May save us. Like,
it can't be that. It needs to be all right,
we found a couple things like it. You have to
find a few sparks and you know, you know, to
be fair, I mean, you feel all right, Kem White,

(56:43):
Christian Gonzalez, like you know, Marcus Jones, like if you
guys like have moments here and there, but as it's
gone so far, not enough for me to really feel
like there's anything really building tangibly.

Speaker 1 (56:54):
Yeah, early, and I would just say, I mean, I'm
not telling you that Jard Mayo is going to get
a year, no, but if it looks like this for
two full years, I don't think he's going to last
that much longer than that.

Speaker 3 (57:05):
So the opposite end of the spectrum from Kareem is
actually Jeffrey from Canada, who writes, we're still in line
for one and sixteen, and is also thinking that it's
a possibility that Maywe and Wolf are one and Dunce
one and done once to Craftsy an empty stadium this fall.
I would disagree with that. I don't think they have
an eternity, but I think they've got some time.

Speaker 1 (57:28):
I think for one year, it would have to be
a train wreck off the field. Yeah, Like it's not
just one in sixteen, it's one in sixteen with guys openly,
you know, bitching about random stuff and complete, yeah, a
complete loss of control. And right now I think those
guys like playing for Giroid Mayo. They've been publicly and

(57:50):
privately very supportive of girod Mayo until that changes. I
don't think that he's you know, first of all, it's
kind of silly, these four games into his tenure and
we're talking about it security but also us at the
same time, I don't think it's I think it's just
as ridiculous to say he's got at least three years.
I don't think you I didn't.

Speaker 6 (58:06):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (58:06):
I didn't. I didn't say you did. I'm saying the
other side of the understood, the other side of the
coin understood. I think that he's going to have to
show some progress, just like anybody else. Like Bill Belichick
was not going to get more than two years if
Tom Brady didn't turn it around. That's fact. Like he
was five and eleven. Belichick was five and eleven in
two thousand and one, in three in two thousand and one,

(58:29):
and talking Tom Brady saved Bill Belichick's.

Speaker 3 (58:31):
Creaking and wasn't Bill doesn't Bill openly say that he
was having a conversation with HERM Edwards prior in the
Jets game, going, I don't know how this is.

Speaker 1 (58:39):
I don't know how I don't know how much longer
I'm going to be here. So that was two years.

Speaker 3 (58:43):
Yep, Zach from Georgia, and hope you are safe in
Georgia because we know how that state has been ravaged. Zach, Zach,
you're next to the Patriots post game show.

Speaker 1 (58:51):
Hello, good evening.

Speaker 14 (58:53):
How's the going, guys.

Speaker 15 (58:54):
That so, just from a fan's perspective right looking at
the game, if we're gonna throw someone in there just
to get stacked and throw picks, I would rather be
Drake May because at least every time before he takes
a snap as a fan, at least I have hope
or you know, something in my mind that it could
be different than what Jakobe said is about to do.

(59:16):
It's just probably do a two yard dump down to
a running back and get no yard. And it's just it's.

Speaker 14 (59:22):
Aggravating to watch as a fan.

Speaker 15 (59:24):
Just feel like it was for the past two years
with Mac Jones. It's so frustrating to watch an offense
that does absolutely nothing to be excited about. So I
get it, Drake May might go in and get ruined,
But I would rather watch that happen than watch something
that I already know is gonna happen.

Speaker 1 (59:43):
Yeah, I completely I completely understand that I do.

Speaker 3 (59:48):
The best reason to not play Drake May right now
was uttered.

Speaker 1 (59:52):
By the one and only Mike do So moments ago.

Speaker 3 (59:55):
If there's a problem at center and David Andrews isn't playing,
to me, that's the best reason right now we're not.
I mean, it's already tenuous if you're gonna put him
in behind this line. If the leader of the line
isn't playing, the guy who's responsible for making the line
CAUs isn't playing the other person who I think toughed
it out today and it's a tough spot.

Speaker 1 (01:00:14):
In San Francisco.

Speaker 3 (01:00:15):
But I don't know when Levertt's gonna roll the ball
back or anything like that. Rookie quarterback with an inexperienced
center is just that's not a prescription for success.

Speaker 4 (01:00:24):
Yeah, I get it, I get it was that. But also,
at least until he does play, you have the belief
that maybe he's the best quarterback ever to play the game.

Speaker 1 (01:00:30):
You don't know until he doesn't get in there. So no,
and I just would say, like again, I understand that
line of thought that Zach just just explains, but I
just he just kind of like rolls past, like if
he gets ruined, he gets ruined. Well I want to
see him play too, because I'm a football fan, and
I would rather see something different. The way he put it,

(01:00:51):
like I know what's going to happen. Now, I agree,
I do. I know what's going to happen, and more
than more often than not, it's not going to be great.
But I don't want to ruin my quarterback either if
and as much as I sort of fight back against
that narrative, I don't. I don't think mac Jones got ruined.
Mac Jones can't play. There's a difference, but the situation

(01:01:13):
that he was in did not help him, did not
support him. So I thought the coaching, specifically Belichick's decision
to put him back in that Monday to take him
out of that Monday night game, the Chicago game, Yeah,
that contributed to the deterioration of mac Jones. I don't
think mac Jones was ever going to be great, but
that helped that. And I don't want to do anything

(01:01:34):
that helps Drake may not fulfill his potential.

Speaker 3 (01:01:37):
But there's no such thing as a silly question. But
these are questions that we're getting, and there's more than
one of these. This is Brendan who writes, do you
think the offense is so bad that if Jacoby Brissett
was to get injured or bench, that's the best thing
for the teams to sacrifice Joe Milton rather than Drake
may read you write him, We read him.

Speaker 4 (01:01:55):
Yeah, I mean, I mean it's probably an okay question.

Speaker 1 (01:01:58):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:01:59):
I just think he got you'll have to put Drake
in there if that's the route they're gonna take. But
I just I think the thing with Zach that just
resonated with me is like the last this is the
fifth year of this, like what all these offenses like
they had a couple of flashes over the last five years,
but for the most part, it feels like you've been
going into these games with a pillow, Like you're going
in again. You know, these other teams have fully armed

(01:02:19):
and you're going in, like, God, I hope our offense
can just not fumble the ball and somehow magically, you know,
put two hundred and fifty yards on the on the
board and score every time they're in the red zone,
and our defense gives us two turnovers, and our kicker
hits every single field. Like it's been five years of
hoping that everything goes perfectly right so that you can
just offset the talent deficit that that has hurt this

(01:02:39):
team since Tom Brady's left.

Speaker 3 (01:02:41):
Sean from San Francisco and the Scene of the crime.
You are next on the Patriots postgame show.

Speaker 16 (01:02:47):
Good Evening, Sean, hey man, Mike, Paul, how you guys doing.
I'm actually driving to San Francisco from the game.

Speaker 12 (01:02:55):
Such a beautiful day.

Speaker 16 (01:02:57):
I had a great time because I had you know,
I know this team is not very good, but it
was fun and I kind of have a good feeling
about Folk and obviously Gonzo and next week, I have
a prediction. I don't make a lot of predictions, but
I believe that Drake May is gonna start and they'll
they'll beat the Dolphins. It's gonna be like, you know,

(01:03:19):
one of or two of five or six wins for
the whole season. But I think it'll be uh a
little bit of a confidence for the rookie and then
uh they'll be able to build.

Speaker 3 (01:03:28):
On that great call. Sean and Matt Morrea will ask you,
do we have a Call of the Show award or
anything that I know he gave Paul Keys beforehand. That
was good call. That guy's go went to the game
and could put could pull out some Plus he's the
top down.

Speaker 1 (01:03:44):
We have different different definitions of good calls, and he's
making predictions about Drake May. I like to call. I
felt like jammas into my eyeballs watching that game, Like
I'm more with the guy that called the previous call,
Like I'm tired of watching an off when I know
what's gonna happen. Because as Mike said, it's been five
years of knowing we can't punch back.

Speaker 4 (01:04:05):
Yeah, yeah, I've had.

Speaker 1 (01:04:07):
Enough of that five seasons.

Speaker 3 (01:04:09):
Uh okay, this is Stevie from Austin, who writes, I'm
so glad to hear you guys put Brissette on the
bad list.

Speaker 1 (01:04:15):
I'm curious to.

Speaker 3 (01:04:16):
See what the people who know ball see on film
because I think there are moments when he has time
and guys are open and he's not capitalizing on it. So,
just to kind of extrap a little bit from what
Steve is saying, I did think a bit of a regression.

Speaker 1 (01:04:30):
Brissette holds onto the ball a long time Mike sometimes,
and like.

Speaker 3 (01:04:33):
I know, he's trying to hold on and he's probably
been coached throughout his career, you know, hang in there,
try to make a play, wait till.

Speaker 1 (01:04:39):
The last plusble minute. But I think that's hurting the
offense in a lot of instances.

Speaker 4 (01:04:43):
Yeah, I think it goes back to what Paul said.
It's just it's breaking down right now for him because
the amount of pressure and the amount of hits. He's
not seeing it anymore. He's not seeing it in time.
I mean, I don't know if he ever really did
see it in time. But you know, you see these
good offenses when they get into a rhythm and you
can feel it. I mean, there's a there's a literal
rhythm to it, and it just never feels like that
with the Patriots offense. It feels like stuttering and you know,

(01:05:05):
pressure and things are murky, and you know he has
to dodge one guy and then pull it up and
somehow complete it.

Speaker 1 (01:05:10):
I mean whether maybe I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:05:12):
They probably completed more passes today than he has completed
in any game before, and maybe three or four of
them were actually like pure just drop back.

Speaker 1 (01:05:21):
I mean maybe three, you know how like my whole
you know, almost none of their plays look like that anymore.
It's like it's like desperation. He's running for his life
to the to the top, to the right sideline. He
throws a pass at the sticks. Antonio Gibson like we
got a first out.

Speaker 4 (01:05:40):
Well there's a third down to Hunter Henry that he
completed that, a couple of little bow.

Speaker 1 (01:05:44):
One where he scoops it out the ground like nothing
looks good. But I would say the whole holding the
ball too long, that's been a knock on him his
whole career. And the emailer or the caller I figured
who said it was he is right he holds the
ball too long, and the whole thing about not throwing
in or said, that's why, because he refuses to throw
the ball. He refuses to put the ball in and

(01:06:06):
try to make a play. It's not Harm's way, it's
that guy's open. Throw it to them, right, and that's
NFL open. You got it at some point, you just
got it, and that's why the people that want Drake
may I am kind of curious to see if it
looks any better because no player, no team just never
has an opportunity to complete a pass. The offensive line

(01:06:29):
sometimes gives you enough time to complete a pass, and
we're not completing any of them. Yeah, so I do
wonder if it would look a little bit better with
Drake Man.

Speaker 3 (01:06:37):
Okay, Marine Corps. I think it's time for maybe a
little post game, maybe the head coach and let's listen
in on girod Mayo. After the game, the press conferences
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Speaker 1 (01:06:49):
Here's Gerrod Mayo.

Speaker 17 (01:06:50):
Disappointing game. I thought we had a good week of practice.
I thought the guys had a lot of energy all week.
I'm not gonna say anything about the travel. I thought
the guys were prepared and ready to go. Obviously, we
didn't hit some of the targets that we talked about.
You know, defensively, keeping the quarterback in the pocket continues
to be an issue. Offensively, look the turnovers. We don't
have a team that can lose the turnover battle and

(01:07:12):
expect to win a football game. We got to do
a better job with the turnovers. We have to do
a better job with the negative plays, and you know,
just overall, we just have to be good. I will
say special teams wise, I thought Slide did a good job.
I thought the protection was good, the coverage was good,
we had a special teams turnover. I thought all that
stuff was good. What I told the guys look at it.
It is a long season. It is a long season,
and we're wrapping up the first quarter of the season.

(01:07:34):
I don't think any of us are happy where we are.
I think when we go back and watch the film, though,
as it will be easy to identify so we can
put ourselves in a better position to win football games.
We sustained a few injuries and some warriors out there today,
some big injuries, well not big big in as far
as who it was. Those guys will come in tomorrow
and do their injury check. So I'm not sure how

(01:07:55):
serious or not serious the injuries are. But those guys
that couldn't finish the game, obviously, you are a big
part of what we do.

Speaker 1 (01:08:10):
Maybe something to switch and kind of.

Speaker 17 (01:08:13):
Look, I think there is a combination of, you know, schematically,
we gotta do a better job of getting the.

Speaker 18 (01:08:19):
Ball out of our hand right now.

Speaker 17 (01:08:21):
And then secondly, I would say the offensive line just
has to do a better job holding up in protection,
and we're trying to find different ways to do it,
you know, and some of those you know, it's easy
on some of those sacks. You go back and watch
the film, the ball should be out. It'd be easy
for you guys and everyone else to say, well, the
offensive line should have did that. So I would I
wouldn't rush to that conclusion, but we gotta coach better,
we gotta play better.

Speaker 1 (01:08:41):
And execute the fact that twas little off.

Speaker 14 (01:08:46):
That way.

Speaker 4 (01:08:47):
Would you consider change your quarterback?

Speaker 17 (01:08:49):
And look, at this point, Jacoby is our starting quarterback.
I haven't watched any film or anything like that. He's
been a great leader. He just broke the huddle down
after I talked to the guys, and you know, we
gotta watch the film. We have a long flight to
go back and watch the film, and we're always evaluating
every single position.

Speaker 1 (01:09:03):
Did something you said the couple of weeks do you
need to change wise to correct?

Speaker 18 (01:09:12):
Yeah, it's a it's a frustrating thing.

Speaker 17 (01:09:14):
And you know sometimes you tell guys over and over
and over look the stove's hot, the stoves hot, and
they still touch the stove. So, uh, today it was
just mirror. Like if you were to ask me last week,
maybe some of that was, you know, as far as
the play calling, who were asking the assie out. But
today and the players will tell you like it's on
them to go out there and say to yeah, this
is your job. Do your job and we'll be okay.

Speaker 19 (01:09:34):
And so they need to get to the point where.

Speaker 17 (01:09:37):
They yeah, you know, we always talk about these guys
are competing and we'll be evaluated every single day, every
single week. And look, we want our most dependable players
out there, especially when it's a huge target.

Speaker 18 (01:09:52):
We have targets on our back.

Speaker 17 (01:09:53):
Can't keep the quarterback in the pocket, can't take control
of the football, and so we're gonna deal with it
until until we fix it.

Speaker 18 (01:10:00):
And it starts with me.

Speaker 1 (01:10:02):
You guys have thirty three on their forty one do
incomplete and then punted away white punk going for.

Speaker 18 (01:10:09):
You know, they're different.

Speaker 17 (01:10:10):
You know, we talk before we get the third down,
and I say we it's uh, well primarily myself, but
I tell av P, Look, look, this is what I'm thinking.
Whether we're going forward on fourth and four, fourth and five,
or we're gonna kick it on you know, three yards
or less, that's kind of how it plays out. Look,
there are definitely times where it's it's easy to you know,
in hindsight, look and say, I wish I would have
been more aggressive here or there. This is how we

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decided to play the game or play the uh the
game today.

Speaker 1 (01:10:35):
In the second quarter on that fourth and one, reminder.

Speaker 5 (01:10:38):
Got stuffed before that on the third down, look like.

Speaker 4 (01:10:40):
You guys got a bad spot.

Speaker 20 (01:10:42):
You get any information from Evan or anybody about challenging
that spot?

Speaker 2 (01:10:46):
Look like maybe Jalen half.

Speaker 18 (01:10:47):
The first down?

Speaker 17 (01:10:48):
Uh, we didn't. We didn't get an inform I didn't
get any information on that one. And I I would say,
I would say one thing. You know, we got guys
in the booth, they can see the replays. I'm on
the field and it there is a conversation and you know,
put that one on me.

Speaker 18 (01:11:05):
The energy was I thought the energy was good.

Speaker 17 (01:11:08):
And I would also say, you know, going in at
halftime different than when we were at the Jets.

Speaker 18 (01:11:12):
I thought that the guys felt like, look, we have
a chance, we have a chance.

Speaker 17 (01:11:16):
They were excited to go out there and and cover
a kick and it happened to be a big play
for us and we score a touchdown.

Speaker 18 (01:11:21):
That's that's encouraging.

Speaker 7 (01:11:22):
You know.

Speaker 17 (01:11:22):
With that being said, there are a lot of things
that we just have to correct. From an nexus no standpoint,
and also from a personal standpoint, it.

Speaker 18 (01:11:31):
Doesn't look the play.

Speaker 17 (01:11:35):
Look, the players know it's a it's a I mean,
it's early in the season, and they understand that we
have veteran players in there.

Speaker 18 (01:11:40):
They understand it's a long season.

Speaker 17 (01:11:41):
And you know, we've always talked about that North Stars
just to be to get better each and every week. Now, Look,
there were some good things that that happened today. You know,
maybe the score doesn't reflect it, but we just gotta
we gotta fix all the.

Speaker 18 (01:11:52):
The bad football. And that's my job.

Speaker 17 (01:11:56):
After well, to me, you know a lot of this
stuff goes back the body language and and showing you know,
disappoint I always talk about those type of things, and
there's no one out there more disappointed than Remandre as
far as his ball security issues are concerned. And so
it was a talk. Look, I it is what it is.
Change the page and let's.

Speaker 7 (01:12:17):
Move forward and drink in the game at you did
last week.

Speaker 17 (01:12:20):
No thoughts, sir, A few big defense ye this uh
just poor execution. Uh, poor execution. You know they did
a good job as well timing up those shots, and
we just gotta do a better job.

Speaker 4 (01:12:33):
Drugs.

Speaker 20 (01:12:34):
You feel like the pressure that Jacobe seen over the
course of season has led to any skittishness.

Speaker 17 (01:12:39):
Or uncertainty of the well, I would say you, you know,
from this game, let me go back and watch the
film and and I'll.

Speaker 18 (01:12:43):
Get back to you on that.

Speaker 17 (01:12:44):
What I will say about Jacoby is that he's tough,
both both mentally and physically. I mean, this guy's going
out there, He's taking some some huge shots and continues
to get back up. You know, sometimes you you're like, man,
he's he okay, you're watching him for a while. But
he is a tough guy. And I wouldn't I would
never use the word skittish with a guy like that.

Speaker 1 (01:13:00):
Given this right now, you talk about.

Speaker 17 (01:13:08):
I don't think, I don't think, and we've talked about this.
It's not all about the reps that are actually on
the field. It's also what we do inside, right, what
do we do as far as our walkthroughs and things
like that. So I'm not going to go on, you know,
not being prepared because he's taking seventy percent of the snaps.

Speaker 18 (01:13:22):
We just got to do better.

Speaker 21 (01:13:25):
But what goes through your mind now is what you
guys need to do this week?

Speaker 7 (01:13:29):
Ready to.

Speaker 17 (01:13:31):
Yeah, it's a it's a huge game for us, a
divisional game, and you always want to win those. We
want to take the good things that we did today
and carry those over and get rid of the bad football.

Speaker 18 (01:13:41):
And that's my job. I thank you, appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (01:13:44):
So there was Gerard Mayo after the Patriots thirty to
thirteen loss to San Francisco. He shut the door very
quickly on any thought of playing Drake may in today's game,
and he said, no, not at all.

Speaker 4 (01:13:57):
Yeah, a little more. I mean, I think that's that
he learned a little bit from the last time. He
kind of I don't know. We gotta go back and
look at the film. He was a little bit wishy
washing on it. I mean, I think it's, you know,
a small example of a little bit of growth from
Girodd keeping himself out of trouble having to answer the
same questions over and over again.

Speaker 1 (01:14:10):
Well two things though, I think you were talking about
him mopping up today, right, correct, And you're talking about
who's the starting quarterback going forward?

Speaker 4 (01:14:20):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:14:21):
Right, yeah, he was very strong. Well he said as
of now, Jacobe Brisett's seems the room. But that's a
different this is a different thing, right, Like whether or
not he could have played today, And he said he
didn't give it any thought. He didn't give it any thought. Yeah.
It's run by Derek Henry. Mike, your boy, it's like
a ninety yard run.

Speaker 4 (01:14:40):
I thought he wasn't a good fit for the red zone.

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and tablet out there at Surface dot Calm. Benjamin emails
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see may play for two reasons. One primarily to start
the clock on his learning process, and two, I like
that Brissette has clearly been under duress, but even when
he has time, his skills don't look good.

Speaker 1 (01:15:26):
Yeah, I mean I would agree with that, but that's
lesser a reason. I like the first reason a lot
like I I feel like the longer you wait to
play him, the longer you're gonna have to wait for
him to be really good. If he is really good, yeah,
you know, like it's just hard to be really good
right away.

Speaker 4 (01:15:42):
Yeah, but I would say the clock has started on him.
I mean, not with game time necessarily or starting per se,
but you know he's learning plenty right now. So look,
I'm with the I just I can only say so
many different ways.

Speaker 1 (01:15:53):
I know you with me Pop week four.

Speaker 4 (01:15:55):
I'm not you know, without David Andrews week five. Now, no,
not yet, so sorry, But what that means, I don't
think that that's gonna, you know, make that much of
a difference. So until we'll see a week six.

Speaker 3 (01:16:06):
Maybe and the drum beat is getting louder, wouldn't you
say on a week to week basis?

Speaker 1 (01:16:12):
Oh, and that's expected to be.

Speaker 4 (01:16:13):
And as I said after, I think week two is
As the turnovers from Jacoby Brissette rise, then it becomes
a harder and harder conversation to have, because it's easier
when you say, well, Jacoby's not losing the.

Speaker 1 (01:16:23):
Games for us.

Speaker 4 (01:16:24):
He's protecting the football, protecting the football. He's given us
a chance. But when that stops, then all bets are off.
And that's when I think you'll start to find the
convergence of all right, everyone agrees, now's the time federal worse.

Speaker 1 (01:16:37):
I never think it's gonna be perfect. I don't think
there's ever gonna be game this season where.

Speaker 4 (01:16:41):
Okay, now he'll be okay, we like it's gonna be
a little hairy no matter when he gets in this year.

Speaker 1 (01:16:46):
But I don't think it's gonna be week five.

Speaker 3 (01:16:48):
Stealth Legends writes in do you guys agree with me
and when he says Jacoby is the best chance at
winning a football game? Or do you think even though
the offensive line is not good at all.

Speaker 1 (01:16:57):
We should let May try.

Speaker 4 (01:17:00):
I don't know, I guess, I mean, I you know,
I think that Jacoby Brissette gives them the best chance
to win games right now.

Speaker 1 (01:17:07):
I think I don't know that to be certain. But
because why Paul, because he can get and line him up,
I'm going to assume a rookie who's never played is
gonna at least have a struggle when he first plays. Now,
it might take him two or three weeks, and then

(01:17:28):
all of a sudden, you're like, Okay, now he's got
he's got a hundred plays under his belt, he he
sees something. Now, he gives them a better chance than Brissette.
But like right out of the shoot, without ever having played,
I'm gonna guess a nine year veteran he's gonna give
a better chance than a rookie who's never played. But
doesn't mean I don't want to play May because I want,
I do. I I'm you know, you guys just said

(01:17:50):
that the drum drum beats starting to get in. It's
it's getting louder. It's it's it's louder. For me, it's
been loud from the start. I don't really have a
whole lot of interest in in the Jacoby Brisset experience.

Speaker 3 (01:18:01):
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Speaker 12 (01:18:24):
Hello, Hey, guys, I appreciate you taking the call, and
the last piece that you just read from another caller
kind of touched on what I was calling about. Is
you know, I think there's a fine balance between trying
to protect Rake May but then also seeing what you
really have with the kids.

Speaker 5 (01:18:42):
You know.

Speaker 12 (01:18:42):
I think one of the unique things about his game is,
you know, you don't necessarily need a perfect offensive line
with him, right because he's a gamer, so he can
extend plays, make plays. And I think when you're preparing
as a defense for a quarterback like that, it makes
it a little bit more challenging versus right now, what
are you really preparing for with Jakobe he's a pocket
pass or he's not mobile, which makes the defense, you know,

(01:19:03):
it makes it a little bit easier to game plan.
I think if you can take if you can take
Drake see what you have with him, and really start
to you know, grow with the young cast that you have,
I think that's your that's your best bet, because at
the end of the day, let's just say, God forbid.

Speaker 7 (01:19:18):
He's not the guy.

Speaker 12 (01:19:20):
You've just wasted an entire year, and then you've got
to start over next year. And then what do you do?

Speaker 3 (01:19:28):
Excellent call Chris.

Speaker 1 (01:19:30):
Yeah, I mean talk about I don't know, like I
don't want him doing that. Like eventually, if Drake may
has the ability to make all kinds of plays outside
the pocket and and do you know, and and play
like Josh Allen, and that would be great. I don't
want him doing that in week one of his career.
I want him learning how to play right first quote
unquote the proper way, and you know, going through his

(01:19:52):
progressions and an understanding. Then if he can build off
of that and add you know, when plays like the
way brock Prody did today several times off platform and
running around and making some plays, then that works. But
like I need to know that he can do a
B and C first. I don't, like, I know a
lot of fans because and this is you know, we're

(01:20:12):
all looking for it this way, right they're one and
three and they just you know, they're trying to salvage
the season. Like, I don't think it's gonna get all
that much different if if Drake May comes in and
it works and he like blows it out of the water.
I don't think you're gonna be all of a sudden
in the playoff pitcher because you know, I don't think
you're a really good quarterback play away from being a
playoff team. But I would rather see him sort of

(01:20:38):
learn and develop from the pocket and then build off
of that and start making plays in other ways.

Speaker 4 (01:20:44):
I just like to feel good about something when I'm
putting him in there. Something I'd like to feel good
about something. And right now, you want to sound like
they're coming up from a place so.

Speaker 1 (01:20:53):
Theyse think, just put Drake in. I don't want to
watch this plan for like I don't know, like you
sit back and what wait for him to throw it
to you? Is like what I would do if I
were a defense right now.

Speaker 4 (01:21:05):
It's not going to make me feel better if you know,
we come out and we see a Bonnix type you know,
he threw for what sixty.

Speaker 1 (01:21:11):
Sixty yards and.

Speaker 4 (01:21:14):
Yard you know, but he learned a lot today, Like,
I don't want to be selling that in the post game.

Speaker 1 (01:21:20):
Well, yeah, he got his ass handed to him. He couldn't,
you know. We almost got broken in half six times.

Speaker 4 (01:21:24):
He was about to cry walking out the sideline.

Speaker 1 (01:21:26):
But great experience. I feel like I don't want to
have to do that.

Speaker 4 (01:21:29):
Like they might be forced into it at some point anyway,
so maybe maybe the joke will be on me. But
I just like to feel good about something. And at
least after week one, you kind of like were fooling
yourselves into feeling good about something, and right now I don't.
I don't really feel good about anything with the offense.

Speaker 3 (01:21:43):
I think this harkens back to the point that you're
trying to make, which I think is a very challenging
one to get people to buy into.

Speaker 1 (01:21:48):
Like, and that is patience.

Speaker 3 (01:21:50):
It's hard to have patience when this is when people
see that this is not only a week two week league,
but it's a results oriented league, and they don't see
much Hope in the current situation. They see Hope on
the sideline and they want to know why Hope isn't playing.

Speaker 4 (01:22:06):
Yeah, And I think it's a you know, it's an easy,
you know, argument to make when it's kind of, you know,
a nebulous situation and just play him, you know. But
when I say, well, do you necessarily want to play
him next week against the Dolphins with Nick LeVert snapping
the ball?

Speaker 12 (01:22:19):
Doo?

Speaker 1 (01:22:19):
I do? But like I understand that I'm selfish. Yeah,
you know, like I I think that that's best for
his development. Paul, Yeah, I think if he's ready to play, Yes,
I don't really care who the other guys are out there,
because I can't control that right now. Okay, well my
roster is what it is. But if they think he's
ready to play, from a developmental standpoint, if he's getting
like Mike says, like, you know, the thirty percent is

(01:22:41):
it in seventy thirty, isn't eighty twenty.

Speaker 4 (01:22:44):
We pull it back.

Speaker 1 (01:22:45):
If he's getting if he's getting that amount of reps
and and you know that kind of stuff, then yeah,
like I want to see him play. But if he's
regardless of the center, yeah, I don't like he's never
going to go in with a great sitchuation, Okay, because
I assume he's going to play at some point this year,
and if not Week one next year, my roster's not

(01:23:09):
gonna look dramatically different next year. Like I'm sorry, Like
the Washington Commanders stink. They have a terrible offensive line
that was rated worse than yours at the start of
the season, and they're three to one and their quarterback
looks pretty good like to the callers. But you know,
I kind of push back against the callers that he's
tough for the game plan against. Yeah, those guys are

(01:23:30):
tough for the game playing against. He's right the call,
it was right. Jayden Daniels moves around and gives the
defense another thing to work to think about. Maybe that
backs the pressure off a little bit because you can't
go help aunt at the leather, you know, for a
guy who can move. So I think some of those
things are relevant. I just would like to see it.

(01:23:52):
I don't. I'm not telling you it needs to be,
Matt to you a point, it doesn't need to be
this week against Miami. It doesn't need to be. But
if we get halfway three quarters of the way through.
We haven't seen him. I think that's a lost opportunity. Well,
he needs to play enough games that he gets some development,
that you have an idea of what he is heading
into twenty five.

Speaker 4 (01:24:10):
I'll be right there with you at that point.

Speaker 3 (01:24:12):
Four games in, and I think it's coming sooner rather
than later. Back to the phone lines, William in Philadelphia,
You're next in the Patriots postgame show presented by DraftKings.

Speaker 1 (01:24:21):
Hi, William, Hi, how are you doing great? How are
you sir?

Speaker 4 (01:24:24):
How are you William?

Speaker 1 (01:24:25):
Are you all right?

Speaker 7 (01:24:27):
Hey?

Speaker 14 (01:24:27):
Heck, oh my gosh.

Speaker 1 (01:24:28):
I know you're gonna get yourself worked up here.

Speaker 4 (01:24:30):
I don't want to. I don't want to push you
off the ledge, but I know I know your cousmic.

Speaker 13 (01:24:35):
With this one.

Speaker 4 (01:24:36):
Dude, let's go.

Speaker 1 (01:24:37):
Let's go.

Speaker 7 (01:24:39):
Okay, So.

Speaker 15 (01:24:41):
Paul you who was it Paul or neither you d said?

Speaker 13 (01:24:44):
Okay, Your roster is what it is based your roster's
been like this for five damn years. Yep, dumb, that
is on Bill, And I think just what this first
year is Elliott, Well, why I think you should be
calling him out because I said something about him about
a while ago, basically like you know, I'm not Why
aren't you all talking about him? Because this is why

(01:25:06):
your office and lines and shampoo.

Speaker 11 (01:25:07):
Did you see how.

Speaker 13 (01:25:10):
The defensive lineman for the play has pushed your line
back into your quarterback like damn by Seriously?

Speaker 1 (01:25:20):
Yeah, I do think Bill gets a lot of a
lot of that static, and I think he is responsible
for a lot of this. Bill. I think that they
did not do a good job of putting the offensive
line together the last year or so, and I don't
think Elliott Wilf did anything to improve it in the
off season.

Speaker 4 (01:25:35):
No, and frustrating with wallywill say we need to weaponize
the offense, den weaponize that this is.

Speaker 1 (01:25:41):
Can I just touch on something like you you keep
like sort of indicating Matt that it's coming. It's you know,
with Drake May, it's kind of like what are you
basing that on? Resignation and inevitability? So why like the
national reports continuing to say that he's a ways away?
Maybe to try to ramp down on the fians expectations.

(01:26:05):
Where do you think the national reports come from from
the club. That's my worry, that's my fear. Yeah, Like
we can sit here and say, well, momentum's building. You know,
I didn't drum the drums. I'm with you. I didn't
say tomorrow. I spent it. I spent the whole day
on Wednesday on my show Mike saying that I just
got a feeling that it's there's some momentum building with

(01:26:26):
inside the building. Then three days later it breaks on that.
Three days later there's a national report that says no, no, no, no,
he's a ways off. And I'm like, I guess I
was wrong, Like I felt like it was. It was
momentum building, and and it was sooner rather than later.
I thought there was a chance by by at least
by October, and now it doesn't look like that's going

(01:26:48):
to be the case. I hate to kind of depressed
about that.

Speaker 3 (01:26:50):
I hate to sound like the broken record here, but
I really do put credence into what Mike said earlier
in the show. If they were even contemplating playing against Miami,
if there's if David Andrews isn't gonna play, I just
don't think, you know, I think those reports are coming, Paul,
because people in the building think he's not ready yet.
If ready with no David Andrews, then they need more time.

Speaker 1 (01:27:13):
I want him to play. If they think he's not ready,
that's a great point, man, Like, if they think he's
not ready Andrews or no, I don't want him out
there if he can't protect himself. And I'm not talking
about physically he's not ready to play. He can't protect himself.

Speaker 4 (01:27:28):
But at the same time, I would say maybe a
good chance. And we have no idea of speculating here,
but you know, if David Andrews is done for the
year like that should not preclude Matt Jones from play
a different story.

Speaker 1 (01:27:38):
That's that's my point. I heard you.

Speaker 4 (01:27:40):
I'm sorry, guys, they've broke him in.

Speaker 1 (01:27:42):
They sorry. I'm sorry, Drake.

Speaker 3 (01:27:44):
They have thirteen games left, and let's Matt Morrell. Let's
go back inside the postgame locker room in Santa Clair
and listen in on Jacoby forseets postgame press or please.

Speaker 22 (01:28:01):
Kobe, how would you sum up this offensive performance today?

Speaker 7 (01:28:06):
Tough?

Speaker 6 (01:28:06):
Uh?

Speaker 19 (01:28:07):
You know, we can't spot them too turnovers like that,
you know what I mean. We can't put our defense
in a bad position like that. I think that's where
it really starts, you know, and then it comes back
down to the you know, the fundamental of the execution.
Uh no, we kind of we are not kind of
we really beat ourselves. You know, we get a drive
going and then then something happens. You know, we we
aren't honestly, we're not good enough to be able to

(01:28:28):
hurt our player against ourselves in the defense. So you know,
we got to just go back to to practice, go
back to your drawing boards, and keep getting better from it.

Speaker 22 (01:28:35):
And a quick follow up on one of those turnovers
as you replay the interception in your Yeah, what.

Speaker 1 (01:28:42):
Did you see that?

Speaker 7 (01:28:43):
Yeah?

Speaker 19 (01:28:44):
I mean we had an incut coming open behind the backers.
I mean, hats off the frame. Made a great play,
but uh, you know it, I think I put a
bad ball out there and and you know, but just
a better throw would would have picked up the first Now, ye.

Speaker 23 (01:28:57):
Rob Kobe, Uh, the game goes on yet behind twenty
to now thing, you know what goes through your mind?
And how difficult is it to drop back knowing that
they're charging at you, knowing that you're gonna throw.

Speaker 1 (01:29:09):
What's the process like for you?

Speaker 21 (01:29:10):
And how tough is it to try to find guys
open that quickly time and time again as you're about
to get.

Speaker 7 (01:29:15):
Hit Yeah, I think that's just part of the job.
You know, Like I said, it's it's like I.

Speaker 19 (01:29:21):
Said, it's hard to beat your like to play against
yourself in the defense. At the same time, you know,
I think we put ourselves in a terrible situation with
obviously with the with the turnovers and things like that,
and uh, and honestly just plays not even only the turnovers,
but plays that other plays in the drive that beat us.
And then it's just you know, going out there and
trying to execute one play at a time. You know,

(01:29:41):
at halftime, it's just like, man, don't look up at
the scoreboard, you know, just keep going. Uh, you know,
special teams made a great play. You know, we go
down and we score, and then we're back in this game.

Speaker 6 (01:29:49):
You know.

Speaker 7 (01:29:49):
So Uh, that's just that's just what it's about.

Speaker 19 (01:29:51):
You know, we gotta we got a long season ahead,
so we're we're continuing to build off of those things
and and keep getting better.

Speaker 7 (01:29:58):
Coach Mayo told us that you down the team in
the locker of Martha.

Speaker 18 (01:30:01):
And so what was your message to the group.

Speaker 7 (01:30:03):
Uh, that is a long season.

Speaker 19 (01:30:06):
Uh, you know, to to be to be hopeful, to
be you know, excited, about the I mean when we
when we started this climb, we never thought it was
gonna be just you know, you're on the escalator and
you're just going up automatically. You know, we knew we
were gonna be bumps in the road. You know, we're
gonna get knocked down and.

Speaker 7 (01:30:22):
Be tired and be hurt.

Speaker 19 (01:30:24):
And you know, I mean that doesn't stop the climb.
It's just puts a little adversity in the climb. Told
the guys, man, that's what we're built for in this room.
You know, we got we got the men in this
room that Uh, you go back and look at everybody's story,
not everybody, but a lot of player story that how
they got into that room. I mean it was it
wasn't easy to get there and to to reflect on
that and too and to understand, like, you know, this
this is a long season. As much as we can

(01:30:45):
hold our head, it's nobody's gonna come and save us,
to pick.

Speaker 7 (01:30:48):
Our head up for us. You know, we gotta do
it ourselves.

Speaker 6 (01:30:50):
Uh.

Speaker 19 (01:30:50):
And that's the that's the best part about being this
league and being early in the season because you have
not a lot of time, but you got time to
pick yourself up, you know, and you know, lick your
wounds and go back to work because you know you
got another week next week.

Speaker 4 (01:31:05):
Could you guys at fourth and five late in the
game and you made that long throw to Jalen?

Speaker 7 (01:31:10):
What I guess thought process there? What took you to
making that attempt?

Speaker 4 (01:31:14):
And did you think you guys hit?

Speaker 19 (01:31:15):
It looked like yeah, I mean it looked it looked
like we we caught it, but uh, I guess not.
But uh, you know, and it's just giving giving our
guys a chance. You know, man, I'm trying. I'm trying
to give us, give us best chance to make plays.

Speaker 24 (01:31:26):
Uh.

Speaker 19 (01:31:27):
You know they were obviously, you know, starting to sit
on us a lot as far as you know, now
backing up a little bit, and you know, and Polk
had made a couple of good catches you know, down
the field.

Speaker 7 (01:31:36):
So just trying to go up and give them another chance.

Speaker 21 (01:31:40):
Cop with everything you just said, So when you get
in Monday and then start especially starting on Wednesday, how
fixable is it? And what do you think in your
mind as a group, as a unit needs to be
done to fix this to get where you guys can
come out and play like you need to play to
beat Miami.

Speaker 19 (01:31:54):
First, It's gonna start with Monday and watching the film
and being critical of ourselves, you know, me as the
as the quarterback and the leader of this team, you know,
starting with me, you know, being critical of the key
plays in the game, not key plays, all the plays, honestly,
and you know, how can we get better? You know,
and those times where we do have things going, how
can we keep that momentum? How can we pick ourselves
up when we go down? So you know, having those

(01:32:16):
you know, vulnerable conversations to where it's like, man like Jacoby,
I need you better here or the case in point,
whoever it is we need better or here, so and
I think that's that's that's the That's what I mean.
Like the enjoyment of this process is you know what
I mean. It's just like I understand the product is
not what we want it right now, but you know,
we're still in the process of figuring out how to

(01:32:37):
make the best product, you know, and that's.

Speaker 7 (01:32:40):
Why we're in this room because we we we can
do that.

Speaker 20 (01:32:44):
Jacoby you mentioned it still early in the season, but
you know, just to be frank, you're taking a beating
man can you how much longer can you take this?
How many more of these hits? And can you make
it through seventeen games like this?

Speaker 7 (01:32:55):
Just keeping up? So all I can do sol them.

Speaker 18 (01:32:58):
Me to keep doing.

Speaker 1 (01:33:01):
Well. He's a pro. I can't say enough about that,
right O.

Speaker 4 (01:33:06):
Man, It's it's not easy. I can't imagine what it's like,
you know, going in and taking that kind of punishment
and knowing it's coming. And each week you've got to
even like it's not even like, well, I got my
same guys that you know, we're starting to grow.

Speaker 1 (01:33:16):
It's like each week you.

Speaker 4 (01:33:17):
Have like a new like, oh god, I got this
guy playing left tackle for me, and you know, Cities
back in at left guard.

Speaker 1 (01:33:23):
So every week is has been tough on him. Credit,
you know, for him keep getting up. That's what. Yeah,
And I know a lot of people don't want to
hear it, but that's one of the reasons why he
was the choice. He was selected for this. Yeah, not
because they knew he would take a beating I AM
tribute tribute. They knew he would be professional and that's
what they wanted first and foremost.

Speaker 3 (01:33:43):
Yeah, and that he is The GPX hotline is eighty
five to five Pats five hundred. Colin in Seattle, You've
been waiting patiently. You're next on the Patriot's post game show.

Speaker 24 (01:33:51):
Hi Colin, thank you guys for keeping me on. I
just I totally agree with being patient on me and
also wanted to see the young guys play. But on
that note, I do want to see Cayden Wallace get
an opportunity at right tackle. I know he left banged
up today, So kind of a two part question. One
on the line is do you guys think they're gonna

(01:34:12):
have an opportunity to put Wallace in at right tackle
and kick on one who back to his natural spot.
And then secondly, this is a total tangent, but before
the game, Girodd was talking about trying to get the
quick short pass game kind of up to snuff, and
yet to Mario Douglas barely had any targets in the

(01:34:33):
first half. Do you guys have any commentary on that
or what's your opinion?

Speaker 3 (01:34:37):
Thanks for the call, Colin. I will admit, Paul, I
think I said this to you when I saw it
on the Twitter machine. I was taken a little bit
by surprise at how candid Gerard was and speaking with
our friend Scott Zolac on the radio pregame show, telling
him what they were hoping to do. It didn't materialize.
It didn't seem like it materialized to me. So it
was less about what he was saying they were trying

(01:34:58):
to do that he was actually but if you then
take into account what he said, it didn't look like
they were trying to Maybe it was again the situation
of the game, but I didn't see a real effort
to try to get that going.

Speaker 11 (01:35:10):
Did you.

Speaker 1 (01:35:11):
I thought all the throwers basically was short, but when
you're getting killed, like it's really kind of hard to
like pick out the guy that you know you have.
I mean it was like Hunter Henry on third and
four for like five, like screen passed to Stevenson from
minus two. Like they threw the ball on fourth down
downfield to Jail and Polk and they had a back
shoulder to Polk that was one of their better off.

(01:35:34):
Beyond that, I mean, I didn't see anything going downfield.
I thought everything was short and he just didn't have
any time. And when he did have time, I thought
he didn't see some open guys. But I didn't think
they were pushing it. Downfield by any means you, guys.

Speaker 4 (01:35:47):
No, No, I mean I just remember, I think that
was one nice third down pass to Pop. You hit
him right on the sideline right there as he stayed
in bounds. I think. But yeah, yeah, you know a
couple of nice plays.

Speaker 1 (01:35:56):
But first drive at the game, it was a short
throw tool to to Douglas, not pull Douglas.

Speaker 4 (01:36:02):
Douglas.

Speaker 1 (01:36:02):
Yeah, I know the one you're talking about. Did a
nice job with toe tapping on the sideline here it
is right here.

Speaker 4 (01:36:06):
Nice show, guys, right.

Speaker 3 (01:36:07):
I mean I don't I wouldn't even say that that's intermediate.
I think I think, say short passes. I'm thinking more
bubble screen and things like that.

Speaker 1 (01:36:16):
Oh no, I'm saying. I'm saying, like inside fifteen yards
short stuff like that's a little sprint out, balls out
of his hands, boom like that's a good play. That's so,
that was a good play design, professional play. And I
think that what they have in general is a decent script.
At the beginning of these games. I would say, certainly

(01:36:39):
in Cincinnati, I would say to a lesser extent in Seattle,
and then today, like the first two times they had
the ball, they moved it today, Like, I mean, it's
painful to watch. I mean it's three or four yards
at a time. But they were able to get into
San Francisco territory, right the first two times they had
the ball, yes, or was it maybe two out of

(01:37:01):
the first three times they had the ball it might
have been.

Speaker 4 (01:37:03):
Yeah, they found well, I don't think they fumbled on
They got into it on.

Speaker 1 (01:37:06):
Their first and their fourth and their fifth.

Speaker 4 (01:37:09):
Okay, so I missed the fumble in the interception, which
two did not.

Speaker 1 (01:37:13):
But so again the fumbles one play and the interceptions
like on the third play maybe, so you're on your
script still, like because they don't possess the ball long enough. Yeah, right,
I mean the possessions there.

Speaker 4 (01:37:25):
I mean these are just the ones that weren't three
and outs, right, I mean nine plays twenty nine yards,
eleven plays forty five yards, five plays twenty seven yards,
eight plays nineteen yards.

Speaker 1 (01:37:37):
It's a very similar play Baltimore just ran, only instead
of the receiver, it's the back underneath. It's just a
quick sprint out, balls out quick, and they don't have
any you know, like like that's just a short throw.
It's like a handoff, yeah, you know, and That's what
you got to do, because I don't think they have
the wherewithal to drop back on third and seven and
sit in the pocket and find a crosser or an

(01:37:58):
over route or something down this They're not it's not
going to hold up. It's just not going to hold up.

Speaker 3 (01:38:03):
Chris for Miami. You'll be our final phone caller tonight
on the Patriots postgame show.

Speaker 1 (01:38:07):
You join us.

Speaker 3 (01:38:08):
Next, Chris.

Speaker 1 (01:38:09):
Hello, how are you tonight? Chris from Miami? Are you there? No,
Chris from Miami.

Speaker 3 (01:38:17):
Okay, We're at that point in the time where we
get some final thoughts, a regression this week. What do
we have to give a Patriot fean a silver lining tonight, Michael,
something to hang their hat on, to look forward to
as they get ready this week to come back home
to take on a team in the division with the
Miami Dolphins.

Speaker 4 (01:38:36):
I mean, maybe a winnable game I guess next week,
and depending on how Miami looks and who the quarterback
is and you know, in the division.

Speaker 1 (01:38:43):
So look, I'm not going to try to tell you
I feel confident.

Speaker 4 (01:38:46):
I mean, especially with the injuries that were piled on
top of everything tonight, but being able to come home
play a divisional opponent, you know, maybe, I mean, no
matter when you beat Miami, it would always feel good.

Speaker 1 (01:38:56):
So I do think that there's a small opportunity.

Speaker 4 (01:38:58):
But they got a long way to go and six
days to try to get back into a position where
I believe it's possible. Because if David Andrews is out,
if Kyle Dugger is out, if you know you're you're
on Trade Jacobs again, and you don't even really have
a third tackle now, it just keeps getting more and
more complicated for them. So it's it's not gonna be easy,
but but maybe it winnable game next week.

Speaker 1 (01:39:15):
Yeah, I agree with Mike. You know you're going to
be at home against a third string quarterback, fourth string quarterback.
That's a game, you know, with an offense that has
been even less productive than yours. That's a game that
you you need to win. Does that energize the room,
I don't know. I don't know what they're going to
be feeling like six hours from now when they.

Speaker 3 (01:39:37):
Well I'm not talking about I'm not talking about tomorrow
morning when they're dragging ass getting in here. I'm talking
about when they come back, you know, later in the day,
on Monday back on Wednesday.

Speaker 1 (01:39:46):
Let's just say, in general terms, in the NFL and
Week five, if you have energy problems, you have bigger
problems than talent.

Speaker 4 (01:39:52):
Yeah, I just I don't know if I want to
know the answer to this, But if this Patriots team
were to face Tim Boyle next week and to lose
to them, that post game show would would would be
something else to.

Speaker 1 (01:40:02):
Watch Snoop So and can I just say when we
when we come on Wednesday on Tuesday for Patriots Unfiltered,
We'll have had a chance to watch the game to
you know, the Dolphins go out with with with Snoop
Huntley and put you know, say twenty five on the board,
then I'll have a different impression, you know, I'll right now,

(01:40:26):
it's the it's the only offense in the league that's
averaging fewer points than you are. And they're playing with
their fourth quarterback. No Tua, no Thompson, no Boyle, worst
quarterback in the history of the NFL. And now it's
down to Huntley, who they just signed last week. On
front the practice cry right.

Speaker 3 (01:40:43):
Well, they could have played Boyle, but they've chosen to
play hot Rod.

Speaker 1 (01:40:48):
I don't know what Boyle situation is but but they're
playing Huntley Tyrone? Is it Tyrone? Tyron Huntley? Snoop Tyler?
Just call it Tyler Tyler hunt Did you do time
of Baltimore with a raik? Yes, he's been Lamar Jackson's
backup for a while right now. Yeah, he Can's not through.

Speaker 4 (01:41:04):
Us in prison, but he can get you through a game.

Speaker 1 (01:41:07):
He ain't gonna win it. Ask Baltimore why they missed
the playoffs every year that Lamar Jackson got hurt? Is
it possible because they just needed him to win one
game and he couldn't.

Speaker 3 (01:41:14):
Yeah, but he might not lose it.

Speaker 1 (01:41:16):
Is that possible? I don't think so. I think he'll
lose it. I think you lost a lot of games
in Baltimore.

Speaker 3 (01:41:22):
Well, we've come to the end of our show. Patriots
losers out in Santa Clara tonight by the score of
thirty to thirteen. They dropped to one in three after
four games on the year. Next up for the New
England Patriots is a chance to get back at it
and get right at home against the Miami Dolphins. The
Dolphins Patriot fans will be interested to know play tomorrow night.
That's a home game for Miami, isn't it against the

(01:41:44):
great Will Levis and the own three Tennessee Titans. There'll
be a lot of interest in that game from the
New England area. That'll wrap things up from here.

Speaker 1 (01:41:52):
Inside you. Let's stadium for Chris Judge, for Matt Lapan
for Matt Morel for Mike do So and Paul Parrello.
I'm Matt Smith.

Speaker 3 (01:41:59):
Patriots losing Santa Clair tonight to the forty nine ers
thirty to thirteen.

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