Patriots Postgame Show 9/7: Full Analysis of Patriots Week 1 Loss to the Raiders

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Speaker 5 (00:37):
It's the Patriots postgame Show presented by DraftKings. The Patriots
coming off a tough twenty to thirteen loss to the
Las Vegas Raiders, and we're here to break it down
for you guys in the next couple hours. Boss man
Fred Kirshley joining us. Monty Lunis back again here.

Speaker 3 (00:53):
I'm still here, guys. I'm still here for.

Speaker 5 (00:55):
Alow, Mike do So, and guys, I guess to me
the biggest takeaways. We heard a lot this week watched
Fortune Fox brote mike're Able talking a lot about second
half and coming out in the second half. Reports that
he would pause practice during team drills to simulate a
halftime break to come out in the second half, and
it they just didn't have it today. In the second half,

(01:15):
they couldn't figure out Geno Smith, a lot of downfield
passing offense. Seemed like they came out, Paul, they started
to put together a little bit again, pick up where
they left off when they had some good drives in
the second quarter, and then Drake through that interception, and
that was all we wrote.

Speaker 1 (01:31):
What'd you think?

Speaker 3 (01:33):
Like you said, it was very hopeful at the beginning,
it was a little frustrating to watch. Then, like you said,
the Hope cat chipped in, I'm really impressed with the defense.
Of course, Harrow Landry, I dc a guy, good excuse
to brag on that. But otherwise, like you said, there's
a lot of work in progress right now. But I
still I think it's hopeful. It's not obviously the end
of the one.

Speaker 5 (01:53):
I threw it right to you after a loss. I
feel like I put you on the spot. You need
to how we managed these ones. You feel like this
was more up my alley is that I think you
made some good points.

Speaker 1 (02:06):
The first one is Vrabel did make a big deal
out of the second half, winning the second half, and
the Patriots were utterly dominated in the in the last
thirty minutes of this game. So that's a disappointing thing.
I also feel like it's sort of you came out
the game plan, I would say, Edge Raiders. The Raiders
looked like the better team. The first two drives they

(02:28):
went right down the field and scored. They looked like
they were poised to go right down the field and
score again. Tip pass, nice play by Carlton Davis. Jalen
Hawkins is there to sort of stem the tide. And
from that point on, I thought the Patriots showed some
really good adjustments. They started to they shut down Genty
after Genty got out to a little bit of a
good start, he was a non factor on the ground,

(02:49):
and then the Patriots offense started cooking after an initial
you know, was it three and out the first drive?
After initial three and out, I think they moved the
ball the next three or four times they had it.
So I was like, well, so whatever the Raiders were
doing at the outset caught New England by surprise. It
took him a driver to to adjust. They did, and
now they had the better team. Then they went into

(03:10):
halftime and the exact opposite happened, only the adjustments never
came in the second half. The Raiders just completely took
the game over from there.

Speaker 5 (03:17):
Yeah, that sums it up pretty well. What do you say, guys,
Let's get right into the good, the bad, and the injured.

Speaker 2 (03:23):
Now it's time for the good.

Speaker 6 (03:24):
Pretty good, pretty pretty good, the bad.

Speaker 3 (03:31):
And the injured.

Speaker 7 (03:32):
Ah, you are right guy.

Speaker 3 (03:38):
By the way, Larry David is my spirit animal. So
I really appreciated that.

Speaker 1 (03:42):
There you go. It's pretty good.

Speaker 5 (03:43):
Not a ton of pretty pretty good to talk about
here today, but there were there was some good and
I'll kick it off guys. You know, I thought Kaishaan
Boudi was really productive today. Came through with some some
big moments, some big catches and really you know, eight targets,
six catches, one hundred and three yards. Nice day for him.
Usually last year we saw him maybe make a couple

(04:05):
of big plays down the field and you know, three
catches for like fifty yards something like that. But a
little bit more consistent out of kai Shan Boody. Really
solid summer for him. You're starting to see just the
confidence Drake May has in him going down the sideline,
little comeback routes. Number of those today. That one was
a big, big third and ten right there in the
first quarter when it really felt like the Patriots were
kind of you know, hanging by raiders, came out looked

(04:27):
really good. This was a big conversion here to Kaishan Boody.
But nice day from him, really productive and nice way
to start the year off from him after another good
year last year. Kayshan Boody, I would wholeheartedly agree with Booty.

Speaker 1 (04:41):
I had him on my list as well. I thought
he made some big plays and you're right about that
first one. The game might have gone in a different
direction earlier than it did had they not made that
big thir down conversion. Funny you got one.

Speaker 3 (04:54):
Yeah, I was signing off on Booty as well, but
I just wanted.

Speaker 5 (04:58):
To say I'm not gonna lie stamp, all right.

Speaker 3 (05:00):
But also we talked about when you asked what were
the small factors in kicking. The kicking game was very important.
Bert Goless not perfect, but I think proving that he
can hold up for the team, and you know, in
a game like this where the weather was a little
bit of a factor, it was good to see that
he can't hold up again, improvements needed, but really excited
to see where that goes.

Speaker 5 (05:20):
One miss though that.

Speaker 3 (05:24):
Get the good but I will just.

Speaker 1 (05:25):
Make sure he'll show up later in the program. This
is how worse exactly. So my first one was I
thought the past rush in general, but Harold Landry Quantie
mentioned her see teammate classmate two and a half sacks.
I thought he and to a lesser extent, Chase On
did provide some edge pressure during the day. I thought

(05:47):
they had a I was a little disappointed overall, just
because I thought they had to dial up some of
the pressure that they did. But be that as it made,
they were able to get around Gino Smith, and I
think that's what allowed them to sort of take control
of the game there. Second quarter. The big change was
the Patriots defense started to get after Gino Smith a
little bit. Unfortunately they didn't sustain that in the second half.

(06:08):
But Harold Landry two and a half sacks in his
debut with the Patriots has to be on the good list.

Speaker 5 (06:12):
No, absolutely, yeah, he's on my good list, and not
just absolutely on my good list. But you know, I'm
just I'm a little torn right now because Gino Smith
went twenty four to thirty four, seventy percent completion rate
three hundred and sixty two yards. I went back and
looked at how he performed last year here against the Patriots.
He was thirty three of forty four for three hundred

(06:32):
and twenty seven yards last year. So you have two
back to back performances here by Geno Smith that it
felt to me a little bit like when they didn't
get pressure.

Speaker 1 (06:42):
Oh he was pitching no answer, he was pitching catch.

Speaker 5 (06:45):
And I'm sure there's plenty to digest with the film
and where the breakdowns were. Is Christian Gonzalez going to
make the difference that they need? I mean, clearly, there
were just too many easy plays and you're seeing a
touchdown right there on third and eleven where it's a
chance to get a red. Don't stop. I don't mean
to dip into the bats right here, but it's just yes,
I liked the pass rush when the pass rush was good,

(07:07):
but I thought it was obvious when the pass rush
wasn't showing up. Gino Smith had some time and he
was able to make a number throw. So sorry, I
don't want to dabble there.

Speaker 1 (07:15):
I was going to say we're going good you show
show and the next one up. Though I got it.
I'm a little torn on this, don't is that what
you're telling I don't really have any goods more.

Speaker 5 (07:27):
I I just was gonna mention Jalen Hawkins, but you
had a great point in the in the press box, Paul.

Speaker 1 (07:31):
It was up and down for him.

Speaker 5 (07:33):
A couple of big plays that I just thought were,
you know, kind of critical, and that was enough maybe
to get him in. But he you know, he had
a sack off of Blitz on the third possession there
that the Raiders had and I thought that that was
a big play Johnny on the spot there with with
the interception that was tipped by Davis. So two plays
that were pretty good. I think he also had had
a run stop, so not terrible. But there are also

(07:55):
some plays that he probably wants to have bad.

Speaker 1 (07:56):
Yeah, I yeah, again, we'll I'll save the other list
most of the stuff that I had, like sort of
things happened later in the game to sort of change it.
Like I had Carlton Davis on my good list. Initially
I thought he made the play on the interception. I
thought he showed some really tough coverage on Bowers early on.

(08:17):
By the way, tudos to us for sort of identifying
that Carlton Davis would be involved with the coverage on
Bowers at times. But then I thought he gave up
too many completions, you know, right down to the third
and twenty. At the end of the game, he gets
beat on a double move by Dante Thornton. So a
little bit of an uneven day for him too. I
don't have a lot of things, and I had protection

(08:38):
for the most part, was good enough, and then it
kind of wasn't good enough anymore in the second half.
As the second half war on, the more the pressure
was getting the Tyree Wilson, former first round pick for
the Raiders, started to show up a little bit. Malcolm
Koontz Crosby was a problem all day. So even some
of the things that I had that were good eventually
sort of were just like they were yeah, yeah, yeah,

(09:02):
that's how it goes.

Speaker 5 (09:02):
I mean I would I would not sum it up,
but the Raiders were five to thirteen on third down
thirty percent. I mean, that's normally a pretty good number.
It's decent, but this is one where stats kind of lie.

Speaker 1 (09:14):
They didn't get enough third downs, right, I mean I
got to look at which drive it was.

Speaker 5 (09:18):
I mean there was there was like they didn't even
get they got one second down there on one of
these drives here in the first quarter.

Speaker 1 (09:24):
I mean the Raiders had four hundred yards off. It
could have been more if they were sort of trying
to score sort of at the end of the game,
you know, they would just kind of running the clock out.
One thing I'll put on the good list that we
haven't really talked about is the run defense, which is
something that was a question mark for me anyway. I
won't speak for you guys. I know they they came

(09:45):
in with a little bit of a you know, smaller,
more aggressive athletic group up front, A couple of nine
yard runs for genty. I think genty had twenty two
yards in his first three carries of the game. Well,
he only ended up with thirty eight for the game,
nineteen for thirty eight three two yards of carries. So
the run defense in this game was pretty stout. I
thought up front.

Speaker 5 (10:03):
Yeah, I mean I would yeah again, I mean not
to poop poo it, but you know it's like the
one rookie, one rookie running back and some of the
yards that they did get.

Speaker 1 (10:12):
We're tough.

Speaker 5 (10:12):
That touchdown he had where you have him in the
backfield and he's able to short yard.

Speaker 1 (10:16):
I get what you set up in the one they
didn't pick up him. Felt they made.

Speaker 5 (10:19):
Some adjustments early on, which I liked, and that felt
like but at the same time, it always felt like, well,
when you want to just put Tonga in and get
a little heavier, you probably can't stop it.

Speaker 1 (10:28):
They came out and sort of.

Speaker 5 (10:29):
A nickel look with just bar More and Milton Williams inside,
which more off the field guy. So I don't know,
we'll see going forward how this run defense shakes out.

Speaker 1 (10:37):
But I know, Quinn, you got any other goods you
want to throw up on there, Let's just get to
the bad. Yeah, we'll just get to the bad.

Speaker 8 (10:42):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (10:44):
So it kick off return by Antonio Gibson. There you go.
There were some plays that's how we do it. You
know in recent years individuals that Marcus Jones made a
big play on the third down to get Jacobe Myers
just short of the sticks. Unfortunately Genty easily converted the
fourth down.

Speaker 5 (10:58):
They got it on fourth down. Well, just to pick
up what we said, off at the top. I'm just
gonna put the second half on the bad list.

Speaker 1 (11:04):
That's almost more of.

Speaker 5 (11:05):
A that's really coming out and you know, having to
make adjustments looking for ways to it almost felt to me, Paul,
And again, you know, we'll see once the reports come
out of what did they do differently in the second half.
They start sending more pressure because suddenly Drake didn't look
like he was trusting what he was seeing.

Speaker 1 (11:22):
He looked off.

Speaker 5 (11:23):
He wasn't able to, you know, ever really adjust in
that second half. He never found that stride after he
threw that initial interception. So I'm going to just say
the second half overall coming out playing better football. And
it sounds like Mike Rabel has been acutely aware of
how important this is all week. We heard about it
all week, all summer long. So hopefully they're able to
find a way to be better in the second half.

Speaker 1 (11:43):
Who's up one point? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (11:46):
I why not?

Speaker 1 (11:46):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (11:47):
So I absolutely love the way you framed it. The
good was definitely the first half. The bad definitely just
the loss of momentum seeing how good they were doing
in the beginning. The turnovers, you know, turnover swing for
May just kind of change the tone, but overall, just
the slow start. I think it was scary to in

(12:07):
the first half. The slow start, I think kind of
came back in the second half, and that momentum wasn't
exciting either. The offensive stalls just you know, I don't
know what was going on, Like after seeing the first half,
I'm genuinely curious what the second half adjustments were, because
it clearly was a step backwards. Unfortunately.

Speaker 5 (12:25):
No, I think that's a good call out too, because
they you know, they came out and it was like, geez,
what's going on. They didn't look they didn't really look
ready to play. The Raiders looked like they were, and
early on it looked like it was going to get
away from them until that interception.

Speaker 3 (12:38):
Very nervous in the beginning.

Speaker 5 (12:39):
Trains has changed the complexion of the game a little bit.
But I think that's a that's a good shout out.

Speaker 1 (12:44):
Too, So my first one. And I know that you
had talked a little bit about Hawkins already. Hawkins is
my my my focus on the bad list here, and
it's related to a lot of stuff. You know, they
decided to go in a direction, whatever reason, it was
away from Kyle Duggar and certainly away from Jabrill Peppers,

(13:05):
who's no longer on the team now. Dugger actually ended
up starting the game for a play. Then we didn't
see him for a while. Then he was sporadically in
the game. I don't think he played a tremendous amount
of snaps in the game. But you go with Hawkins
and Woodson. Now, the rookie Woodson, I didn't really notice
him in any negative spot, So that to me is
a good sign for you know, a young safety made

(13:27):
a couple of tackles, looked like a shore tackler. Hawkins
I noticed a lot and sometimes you mentioned good. He
had nice blitz that you that you talked about, and
you know he was Johnny on the spot for the interception.
I give that play to Carlton Davis more than Hawkins.
But wow, wow, what a rough day for Hawkins and
coverage and another cheap penalty. This is the kind of

(13:50):
stuff that we saw last year. I said to you
like two weeks ago in one of my rants about
Pepper's all I ever noticed Jalen Hawkins is diving on
piles with his head and he was standing up. This
time he took the dive out and just head butt
of the guy to give a free fifteen yards. Got
torched on the third and third and long play for
the first touchdown of the game to Trey Tucker. Was
it Trey Tucker that caught that one? Trey Tucker? I

(14:11):
think yeah, twenty six yard touchdown on a third and long.
Kind of a questionable defensive call there too. Looked like
they had kind of like a zero zero blitz and
you're just you're locking up Jalen Hawkins on a wide receiver,
a fast one at that. So I thought he lost
Boers earlier in the game on that drive for a key,

(14:32):
key pickup. So not good enough. This is what you
decided to do with your safety, So you're going to
be under scrutiny with how those guys play. And I
don't think the safeties were very good today.

Speaker 5 (14:42):
The boss Man, Fred Kirsch joins the Patriots post game
show presented by DraftKings. Fred, we're on the down list already,
a very short stay.

Speaker 9 (14:50):
I had it already. I had a half a pumpkin donut.

Speaker 3 (14:52):
I'm disappointed. I was expecting the donut.

Speaker 9 (14:54):
Well, you know, we didn't win.

Speaker 1 (14:57):
Ye had half a donut? Yeah, but everybody loves I donut.
I don't. What do you got, Fred, what are your
thoughts from the game.

Speaker 9 (15:07):
It's just listen, you know. You know.

Speaker 6 (15:10):
So I don't know if you know Kwantie, But during
the game, I'm doing a blog with people from all
over the world.

Speaker 1 (15:16):
Knows, and yeah, everybody's talking about it.

Speaker 6 (15:19):
So obviously it's they're not happy out there. But like
I said to them, I know this is a continuation
so far of what we've seen over the last four years.
But I refuse to make conclusions about this team based
on one week.

Speaker 9 (15:35):
But in this game, they were easy to defend.

Speaker 1 (15:40):
There was too many things that we have seen the last.

Speaker 9 (15:42):
Three In this game, they were too easy to defend.

Speaker 6 (15:47):
There just wasn't a threat from the Patriots to stop
the Raiders from crowding the line of scrimmage, from from
playing tight. We didn't burn them over that, and we
certainly didn't have a ground game to counteract that. So
you know, in this game we were easy to defend.
And on defense just really mental errors, you know, dumb mistakes.

(16:14):
Paul mentioned, you know, the unnecessary roughness penalty on Hawkins.
He was burned a couple times, so you know at
least two other times on big plays, one where Bowers
just got freed up over the middle where he just
didn't cover him, and then another one that ended up

(16:35):
being a touchdown where I don't know if he thought
he had help, but again the guy just ran right
by him. So these are these are mental errors that
just can't happen when you're a team like the Patriots.
They're going to be every game, even if they win it,
it's going to be a close game.

Speaker 9 (16:54):
So you just can't afford.

Speaker 6 (16:55):
You can't afford missing forty four yard field goal or
forty yard forty early.

Speaker 9 (17:04):
So it's disappointing.

Speaker 6 (17:06):
But again, I'm just not going to make conclusions about
this team based on this game.

Speaker 1 (17:13):
You know, one's good, good point by Freddy about the
conclusions off of one week. That's nowhere do you more
conclusions off, you know, wild conclusions off.

Speaker 9 (17:23):
Of one last week, Week one in the nflast week
one last year, right, celebrating bad time to.

Speaker 1 (17:29):
Make conclusions right, the reactions were made for Week one
of the NFL.

Speaker 9 (17:32):
That's right.

Speaker 1 (17:33):
I just say that.

Speaker 5 (17:34):
I I understand though fans being a little weary after
the last year. A lot of the elements that you saw,
some of the sloppiness with the penalties, the inability to
produce points on the you know, there's and I mean, look,
bad football is bad football teams. Like you know, there's
only really, you know, a couple of ways to lose
football games, and when you're not good enough, this is
how it kind of looks. So but I agree, you know,

(17:54):
I I hope that there that they're able to build
off of this and start to build some momentum. I
did see some you know, some fight back and a
little bit there, but you know, continuing the bad I
would just kind of piggyback off what you said, Fred
and just say the penalties and it wasn't They both
had nine penalties. It's kind of matches what you would
think in the first game of the season if.

Speaker 1 (18:13):
We were doing the Raiders post game show, that would
be on my bad list for the Raiders too.

Speaker 5 (18:16):
Yes, but some of the timeliness of them, especially at
the end when you're hanging by a thread and you're
false starting and a lot of those drives in the
second half felt like they were getting penalties right out of.

Speaker 1 (18:27):
There the game when you're down, you know, in field
goal range there. That's bad, bad time.

Speaker 6 (18:34):
What bothers the offense is the offense right now, it's
you know, I don't know if you guys talked about
May he didn't have a good game.

Speaker 9 (18:41):
Let's put it we actually he had a bad game.

Speaker 6 (18:45):
But I'm more right now concerned about the defense because
you know, I know Gonzo wasn't in there, but I'm
not seeing any complimentary It's not like we can say, well,
you know, they got pressure, but they had trouble covering.

Speaker 9 (18:57):
They didn't get either.

Speaker 6 (18:58):
The only time they really had pressure is when they
sent like a safety blitz or something like that.

Speaker 1 (19:03):
I did make that game. That's how that Landry was good.
But I thought they schemed up.

Speaker 9 (19:06):
But even then, like not off four men, you know,
not like bar Oh. Now we've got bar More and.

Speaker 6 (19:12):
We've got Milton Williams and we've got Landry coming off
and Chase on. I didn't see that type of just
four man pressure.

Speaker 10 (19:21):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (19:21):
And then when they didn't get there, like the coverage
just wasn't there.

Speaker 9 (19:25):
You know, Myers just you know torturing us. Uh.

Speaker 6 (19:30):
And you know we came into the games. You know,
they really don't have a lot of good receivers. Well,
they didn't really need a lot of.

Speaker 1 (19:35):
Good to your point, you know, on Myers he had
ten targets, eight catches, the two that he didn't catch
with drops, Yeah, yeah, he was open every other time.
And I can think of the two plays that he
had in his hands that he didn't catch, you know,
eight for ninety seven. And for a guy, you know,
we saw Jacoby Myers for four years, right, not a
lot of yak today. He looked like looser guys in

(19:57):
the league.

Speaker 6 (19:57):
And and and it's not like he was open, like
we were bouncing off of them.

Speaker 9 (20:02):
There was some bad tackling. It was.

Speaker 6 (20:04):
It was week one football, but it was more so
for us than the Raiders. Now they their four team
team going for one team going into the season two.
So you look at the schedule, Oh the Raiders are
a win, but this is what happens. We were You know,
you can't do that. You can't do that in I agree,
who knows how who knows how much better they're going
to be this year with now Pete Carroll as their

(20:26):
head coach.

Speaker 1 (20:27):
And I made the comment just like the game looked
like like in early in the fourth cause like this
looks like two bad teams playing that are improved from
last year. They both won four games last year, and
at times they looked more than competent. Today. The Raiders
started the game really well. The Patriots about halfway late
in the first quarter, caught fire and then dominated the

(20:48):
second quarter. You know, there were periods of time when
both teams looked really good, but they're both bad teams
still trying to figure out their way, and they made
a lot of mistakes, a lot of self inflicted wounds.

Speaker 6 (20:58):
I just got the feeling that at halftime Carol said,
or you know, maybe the defensive coordinator as well. We're
giving this guy this team too much respect.

Speaker 9 (21:07):
Yeah, like, go get him.

Speaker 1 (21:10):
I do want to say something that I said to
fred off Air, No want you and get this because
this is a Patriots unfilter thing. Hats off to Freddy.
He said, if I would pee Carroll, I would forget
about what I normally do and I would test this
secondary without Gonzo. And they certainly did, and Gino Smith
let him up again.

Speaker 6 (21:25):
Well that's one hundred yards, I mean sixty two.

Speaker 5 (21:29):
Okay, but is it too simple to just say that
they had the better quarterback today? Because no doubt you know,
prop Ouers certainly made a couple of plays that you
were like, wow.

Speaker 9 (21:37):
They have under receivers on your show this week.

Speaker 6 (21:39):
They thought they were going to put you under the
under the fire and they said for this game, who
would you take?

Speaker 9 (21:45):
Gino or Drake?

Speaker 1 (21:46):
And you didn't think that was ridiculous us. You know,
of course it's been around when I asked me and
we ten and I said, I go. What you would
hope is by the middle of October or the start
of November, people were saying, no, no, no, Drake May has
made that rise. He's now better than the middling quarterbacks
in the NFL. And that's where I would put Gino Smiley. Yeah,
I wouldn't put him in the top ten, but I

(22:07):
put him in the bottom, you know, the bottom twelve.

Speaker 9 (22:09):
Here in the middle.

Speaker 1 (22:10):
He's a fifteen or so quarterback, and today he was
He was much more accurate than Drake.

Speaker 11 (22:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (22:17):
It was the May sprays to the pop up, right,
get go and could have.

Speaker 1 (22:22):
Had several interceptions on the balls that went off of
his receiver's hands, which are almost all bad throws, and
only one of them ended up getting picked off. The
one he got hit as he threw, but he had
a couple of tip passes that fell harmlessly.

Speaker 6 (22:34):
I thought in the second half, especially when they stuttered
coming out of the gate or sputtered. I should say,
I thought that if there was a time to maybe start,
you know, rolling out the design runs for Drake, that
they might do that just to get the raiders off balance.

Speaker 9 (22:52):
But other than one like little option, they.

Speaker 1 (22:54):
Had one read off that he had he had run
that he kept himself.

Speaker 6 (22:58):
Yeah, but like they really didn't do that, and you know,
maybe it's too early for that. I don't know, but
or maybe it's not in.

Speaker 1 (23:04):
The I will say, you know, in terms of maturation,
he had a couple of early scrambles that he slid.
I made a joke with Evan and Mike Drake has
had had more slides in this game than he did
all last year, which I like to see. You know,
get get a couple of yards, get out of back,
get out of negative plays, but then get down. We're
not you know, if if the game is on the line,
that's different. You know, if that's like you're down seven

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at the end of the game and you're sliding before
the sticks, that's not good. You got to try to
make a play. But early in the game today, first
game of the season, a couple of early scrambles get down.

Speaker 5 (23:34):
Yeah, it was wet. He wanted to slide a little bit,
little slip and slide out there. So is he officially
on the bad list to anyone?

Speaker 1 (23:39):
I think I think Fred, really, I think Fred was
good with that. All right. You know, we'll let the
boss man take the quarterback on the on the bad list.
It's funny. That's another one, like when he when he
got going late in the first quarter and into the second.
I had Drake on my good list. He's ripping until
until he wasn't you know, Mike had it was second

(24:00):
half pick, yeah, punt, punt, punt.

Speaker 5 (24:03):
Well you had you had the three drives where they
had a twelve play seven, the second drive twelve play
seventy seven that ended. You know, they came off of
the interception score a touchdown, great eleven play sixty seven drive,
and then a nine play forty four yarder which you
know should have produced at least sixteen points with the
miss field goal. But you know that little stretch there
from the late first into the second, it felt like

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they were finding a stride and then the drives are
three plays six plays three three, six.

Speaker 1 (24:28):
Five and the last drive with ten.

Speaker 5 (24:29):
But you know, not enough. I know we mentioned tackling.
That was also on my list. Fred Fred kind of
brought that home. I mentioned penalties. Just the pass defense consistently,
just there was so much, so many open receivers, easy
pitch and catch throws.

Speaker 1 (24:45):
The only guy saw that was reasonably tight to was
man was Alex Austin. Maybe we should have put in
him him individually play. Yeah, we had two or three
nice plays. He had a good great deep coverage early
in the game. It was right on the hip of Thornton,
I think on a deep ball. Ye, nice pass defense.
I thought for the most part he was where were
supposed to be. He wasn't perfect for him either, but

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you know these guys, you're not going to pitch. Shut up.

Speaker 6 (25:08):
You know I'm not the ball nowhere that uh. I'd
like to ask him what defense were the Patriots in
and coverage like, was it mostly zone because it looked
like it was zoned that they weren't playing well you
know what I'm saying. It's not like the Raiders were
catching contested catches. They were catching passes like wide open.

Speaker 9 (25:28):
Running through and so like it was. It seemed to me.

Speaker 6 (25:33):
A lot of you know, there was some bad tackling,
but there were just a lot of mental erarors on defense,
I thought.

Speaker 9 (25:38):
In the back end, I think so too.

Speaker 5 (25:40):
That's why I just think there's a lot to unpack there.
What did they do going into the second half? How
did they get Drake off? And you know, was there
were there things there then that Drake just wasn't seeing
or were they taking everything away too?

Speaker 12 (25:52):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (25:54):
What else? Anybody else got any other downs?

Speaker 9 (25:55):
Corny?

Speaker 3 (25:56):
Do you spend I got through on my bad list?

Speaker 13 (25:58):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (25:59):
I have a few things. Two things that bugged me,
as you guys know, the coaching stuff. They went for
a fourth and one from around midfield in the second quarter,
which I wholeheartedly agreed with the decision we're going to
take a shot, which I don't mind, but you got
to have something else they got away with it. So
they got mac Collins. They're trying to leak out. He's

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really tightly covered and Drake may really didn't look I mean,
I'd like to see it again. Maybe he had something
underneath that he passed up, but it looked like it
was a one man route to mac Collins. So I
didn't like to play call itself. They got bailed out
with a very TICKI tac passing affairs that even Fred
thought was a bad call, which was stunning in himself.
But more so than that, that's just one play, so

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no big and I'd have no problem with being aggressive
on fourth and one. There what I really didn't like
after I spent the better part of two weeks saying
how much more button down this operation would be. And
you're not going to give away possessions, You're not going
to botch the clock. What did they do at the
end of the first half. They gave away a p
posession and botch the clock. It really bugged me. Patriots

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got the ball late in the second quarter with a
ten to seven lead, right, and I'm trying to look
it up just to see exactly when they took over. Okay,
so there's one twenty five left Patriots first and ten
of their own twenty six, and they that was the
play that they tried to do. The drive start with

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May with the design run four yards. Then they kind
of huddle, kind of not and didn't look like they
were going to rush. I'm like Okay. You know they
were looking to see if they could catch that for
you know, quick fifteen, maybe get Drake out of bounds,
and that's the drive starter, right, didn't happen. Then they
couldn't decide whether or not they wanted to try to
go for points. They slowed it down, but not really.

(27:45):
They got out of the huddle quicker, and then you know,
two plays later, it's it's third and now it's third
and one, and you got a waste to play running
the ball on third and one. You got to make
sure you get the first down. Oh, until you don't
and Stevenson gets stopped for nothing. What happens? You give
away a possession. You compound that by Bryce Barrenger, who
had a tough day overall, with a thirty nine yard punt.

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The Raiders take over at they're own twenty six with
thirty nine seconds left, then moved it into field goal range. Now,
fortunately for the Patriots, Daniel Carson missed the field goal.
But you gave away a possession that didn't have to happen.
All they had to do was stay in the huddle
after the four yard run by May, and you're going
to get out of the half right with the possession,

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they almost may put it so it's ten to ten,
which is exactly what happened the last time they saw
Geno Smith in this stadium, in that Seattle game last year.
They just gave away a possession. So those kinds of
things are disappointing. I didn't expect to see that kind
of stuff happen. They didn't look like they knew what
they wanted to do there.

Speaker 5 (28:45):
Yeah, yeah, situational football. It was that your only one
Paul there to empty the end of your.

Speaker 1 (28:52):
Yeah, I had barringer. I kind of got it all
out in that one thing. But you know, oh and
I move. Was there five minutes left in the game,
down twenty to ten, fourth and ten from midfield? Oh
are we punting there?

Speaker 13 (29:05):
No?

Speaker 1 (29:05):
Who's in favorite punting there?

Speaker 9 (29:07):
You heard them? Were you all the on your way down?
I was here when here the booze? The fans were
not happy.

Speaker 1 (29:13):
And they deserve to get booed. I got a text
from one Johnny Positive Brian Moury said, what are we
doing punting down two scores here? I totally agree with him.

Speaker 9 (29:24):
Yeah, the booze were raining down.

Speaker 5 (29:26):
Oh my goodness, let's close out the good, bad and
the injured Kishan BOUDI went into the tent after taking
a hard tackle. It looked like he came back.

Speaker 9 (29:33):
Though, Oh he came back.

Speaker 1 (29:35):
Oh yeah after that. Sorry, I knew that.

Speaker 11 (29:38):
I remember one.

Speaker 6 (29:40):
Here's here's the thing about that hit that helped him
when he got hit, he was airborne.

Speaker 9 (29:45):
Yeah, so that hit that hurt.

Speaker 1 (29:47):
Him, it was hitting. I was worried about his shoulder. Yeah, yeah,
I thought he got his shoulder tripping into the ground.

Speaker 6 (29:52):
But the hit itself was a hard hit. But he
was airborne, so he gave you know, there was a
lot of gift there. It's when he hit the ground
and he got shaken up.

Speaker 1 (30:01):
Yeah, all right.

Speaker 14 (30:02):
Well.

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All Right, well, we want to hear from you, guys,
give us a call. We're going to jump over here
to the phone lines, and let's start with Chris down
in Orlando. Hey, Chris, thanks for calling in.

Speaker 13 (31:04):
Lady and gentlemen, how are we doing today?

Speaker 1 (31:07):
Better?

Speaker 15 (31:09):
All right?

Speaker 13 (31:09):
So I've called him before throughout the seasons. I'm gonna
try to call in weekly this season. Keep up with
you guys. Make some out of it, just some takeaways.
I think the line was below average, rookies were getting
beat pre Smatt penalties. Thought May was inaccurate. I don't
know if the cover the Raiders coverage was greater. The
receivers couldn't get opened. But when Drake, you know, would
scramble out of the pocket, couldn't seem to find anything.

(31:32):
I thought the secondary was exploited. Gonzo's absence was really felt.
Couldn't establish the run. Coaching staff didn't really have a
game plan put together. I did think the defensive front
played well, got pressure, sacks, Boody looked good. I just
don't think that we can continue to you know, thirteen
points isn't gonna win games for this football team. The

(31:53):
defense isn't good enough. And if you're gonna go ahead
and cut Peppers and bench Duggar, but put out those
two guys and that's what you got.

Speaker 10 (32:00):
It's what you go with.

Speaker 16 (32:02):
And they can't look like that.

Speaker 13 (32:04):
And uh, just you know, asking your guys cakes.

Speaker 1 (32:08):
Yeah, I mean thanks, Chris. Chris's second guest there is
that's that's a worthwhile second guest. You decided to move
on from your veteran safeties, and you had a hard
time covering on the back.

Speaker 9 (32:17):
End, and especially again, it was a lot of it
was mental. It was mental.

Speaker 1 (32:22):
I thought Jalen Hawkins just got beat time and time again.

Speaker 6 (32:25):
Because well the one time he was flat footed and
then the guy just ran by him, like I don't
know if he thought, like what covered he was in.

Speaker 1 (32:34):
Zero. I think they were in like a zero coverage,
you know, blitz, and he didn't really feel like they
have that much time. But you can't do that.

Speaker 9 (32:42):
It's a mental error.

Speaker 1 (32:43):
Yeah, not good. I suppose I think you just can't cover,
but that's me.

Speaker 9 (32:49):
Well, no one can cover if you just stand there.

Speaker 1 (32:52):
He can't. I didn't think Woodson was out of position
all day. I didn't notice. I mean I didn't notice that.
I shouldn't say he wasn't. I didn't really know us
him being out of position all day. I thought Hawkins
often was chasing that he was supposed.

Speaker 5 (33:05):
To the only time I saw Wilson was making a
tackle for making tackles. Yeah, yeah, not bad. All right,
here he is, folks. Christian from LA calling in with
his post game take. Hey Christian, what'd you think?

Speaker 7 (33:17):
Oh?

Speaker 9 (33:17):
Too bad?

Speaker 1 (33:18):
Next caller three?

Speaker 5 (33:20):
And okay, Christian callback, Let's go over to Paul in Houston.

Speaker 16 (33:24):
Hey, Paul, Hey, you guys, how are doing today?

Speaker 15 (33:27):
Good?

Speaker 4 (33:27):
Right?

Speaker 16 (33:29):
All right?

Speaker 9 (33:30):
So turn up, man, I get.

Speaker 16 (33:31):
To start with, can you guys give me, okay, yeah,
all right, sot with my gripe. I believe that. You know,
it was a huge of suspect. I mean we expected
black Buers to do what he did and still say
we didn't have any any answers for him. Max Brosby,
although he didn't step his bat sheet, I mean it

(33:52):
still was chased in May all day long. He had
his tremendous hand back on the passing game.

Speaker 1 (33:56):
I agree Matt Crosby was a big part of that game.
Oh yeah, even though he might not show it statistically,
but he was very active in that game.

Speaker 16 (34:03):
And he only had two tackles. He only had two
tackles one sack, but he was all over.

Speaker 1 (34:08):
He was all over, and let's put it, also had
a Strip sack at the end of the game.

Speaker 9 (34:11):
They said Strip was very aware of him, right right, right.

Speaker 16 (34:17):
But now my biggest my biggest thing is this. We
threw the ball forty six times and rushed it eighteen
those eighteen, four of which were scrim was by May.
I'm wondering now, is that the approach. Does Josh think
he has Tom Brady back there? We've got, I believe,
three capable running backs. And although the Raiders were stacking

(34:40):
the box. They had you know, seven eight men in
the box with most of the game, I believe that
we could have played a more balanced game throwing the
ball forty six times to fourteen rushes.

Speaker 6 (34:51):
Yeah, I just think, well, it's funny that you say that,
because you know, the score wasn't out of hand where
you had to throw it now.

Speaker 9 (34:58):
But I thought I thought early on they realized we're
not going to be able to run it.

Speaker 1 (35:02):
I thought Campbell, I thought they were pretty balanced until
I'll bet you they threw the ball in the last
twenty plays.

Speaker 9 (35:07):
Of the game.

Speaker 1 (35:08):
Yeah, well, no, like that kind of excus the numbers.

Speaker 6 (35:11):
It does, but even I don't think that they thought
that they were going to get to the promised Land
running the ball today. I thought Campbell had a he
had a just you know, a tough start to his
first game, and he was he was slow out of
his stance, and I don't know if that's because of
the anchor. No.

Speaker 9 (35:28):
I was watching, especially on.

Speaker 6 (35:31):
Plays where they wanted him to pull, he was pretty
slow out of his stance. And I think they realized
early on, we're not going to do much here. Because
you notice, like even when they did run. There was
only like one or two runs out wide. Henderson had
one that he did pretty well. He had seven yards.
But yeah, at least I didn't think that they were

(35:54):
going to be effective running the ball from what I
saw early.

Speaker 5 (35:57):
Yeah, I mean, Henderson had a fourteen yearn game. Otherwise
it was six four four three.

Speaker 1 (36:01):
I mean, just you know, two point one halmiss not
putting the running game on the bad list.

Speaker 5 (36:06):
Yeah, seven carries for fifteen yards for Remandre. Just nothing
doing there. That was surprising to me, though. I just
we talked about it. We've seen, you don't know exactly
how it's all gonna look. I thought they'd at least
get a little bit of some kind of room in
the run game, but didn't really seem like they were.

Speaker 9 (36:20):
Able to open up much.

Speaker 17 (36:21):
Here you go.

Speaker 6 (36:23):
Now again, I'm not the ball no or so Evan
will probably correct me. But if you're stacking the box,
it's gonna be hard to run. And if you're not
afraid of the offense, you can stack the box.

Speaker 1 (36:34):
So they ran, they passed the ball on the last
sixteen plays of the game. Yeah, oh yeah, so that's
but that's how you get to forty six to eighteen.

Speaker 9 (36:41):
Sure, it's not the game it was reasonably it.

Speaker 1 (36:44):
Was probably fifty five forty five or so before that.
But you're down two scores in the fourth quarter, you're
throwing it on every down.

Speaker 5 (36:51):
Yeah, looks like Christian is back. Hey Christian, thanks for
calling back.

Speaker 1 (36:55):
What'd you think? Yeah?

Speaker 10 (36:58):
Hey, you know, you guys know what I you know
you've heard it?

Speaker 1 (37:01):
No, I don't.

Speaker 9 (37:02):
How do we know what? You think?

Speaker 1 (37:03):
I haven't thought about it yet. What do you think?

Speaker 10 (37:06):
Unlike everybody else, right, it's just not good enough and
it's more of the same blah blah blah. But here,
here's something that I kind of found unique about this
loss is we didn't look like we were mismanaged or
didn't know where it was were supposed to be like
we did last year. So the team looked more cohesive.

Speaker 1 (37:27):
I didn't know at all.

Speaker 6 (37:29):
Okay, a lot of people said that in the first half,
because you know, after the in the first half, you
walk downstairs and people passed, and a lot of people said,
looks like, you know, they've got things put together in
the first half, but not in the second half.

Speaker 1 (37:41):
They played well at times, Like I said, they caught
fire halfway through the first quarter. It played really well
in the second quarter, yeah, you know, kind of like
if you remember a season opener in the past against
the Eagles when they fell behind sixteen nothing and all
of a sudden it was touchdown, touchdown, sixteen fourteen. Wow,
look at this, We're good now. And then the second
half came like there have been periods of time over

(38:01):
the years. I mean, they won their opener last year.
Did anybody say that they looked like they didn't know
what they were doing in the opener last year?

Speaker 17 (38:08):
Right?

Speaker 1 (38:08):
No, I thought they looked like a regular team. Today.
They just they're not good enough yet. They're not good
enough yet to play sixty good minutes of football. They
played I don't know, maybe twenty good minutes of football today. Yeah,
and they did. They looked really good in that stretch
from halfway through the first quarter that I thought they dit.
I actually looked at Fred Mike and I said, if
we were still good like we used to be in

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the old days, I'd be calling this game. They were
up ten to seven, they had two three and outs
in a row, and they're getting the ball back in
the ele Here we go, They're going to score at
the end of the half, they're going to double up
in the set and then they don't. Then they go
three and out because they're still not quite good enough yet.
Let's keep the calls coming Jersey Shore.

Speaker 18 (38:45):
Mic aym Ike, Hey, guys, how you doing.

Speaker 9 (38:49):
That's it good?

Speaker 18 (38:51):
So you know, you come out and you play a
good you know, the first half, you know, and you
come out and stay second half and all Vrabel was
saying that he was prepared for the second half. That's
what he wanted this team, you know, to be prepared for.
And it was a total breakdown. And just coming off

(39:13):
of that, I'm not sure if these guys got it
to what he wants them to do. And I understand
this is the first game, but I was expecting a
lot more out of this team. I wasn't it really
expecting maybe not a win, but I was expecting a
lot more from this team and coaching. I don't know, Uh,

(39:35):
the next next week is going to be very surprising.
Miami didn't look good at all today.

Speaker 1 (39:40):
So keep going. I know where you're going. Mike already
said this, Yeah, you're going to get a desperate Dolphins
team at home next week.

Speaker 6 (39:49):
Well, I think we should be desperate too so and
what happens when you, Mike, you bring up something that's
really interesting about what Rabel has said about the importance
of second half football. We're gonna hear it a little
later in Rabel's press conference with the first questions from Karen,
and she brought that up and he cut her off
to agree with her, like he knew where she was

(40:10):
going and she didn't even have to finish her question.
He finished it for her and like answered it like
how disappointed he was about the second half.

Speaker 1 (40:18):
Yeah, yeah, thanks Mike. Oh shoot, cut him off there.
That's all right, that's all right.

Speaker 9 (40:23):
I get the gist of it.

Speaker 1 (40:25):
Keep it going.

Speaker 5 (40:26):
Jason in Chieva, Hello, Jason.

Speaker 13 (40:29):
You know what's up?

Speaker 19 (40:30):
Hey, Look, it's it's probably not on the coaching staff,
the running disparity there. Yeah, but Evan was selling trying
to tell us on the uh the power of the
offensive line running the ball, and I was pretty convinced
that we couldn't do it, you know, running up into

(40:51):
the seven second half there, and it's it's disappointing to
see that, right, just coming off of a training camp
where where we thought that the running game was going
to be the stronger suit of the offensive line.

Speaker 1 (41:06):
Yeah, yeah, no, that's a good point. People said that
they're going to have some problems in pass protection with
the young guys, but they've shown the ability to run
the ball in right not today, that's a good point.

Speaker 5 (41:16):
I just feel like the run defense and the run offense,
I don't know. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (41:20):
Camp I just never really have.

Speaker 9 (41:21):
I hate, I hate to beat a dead horse.

Speaker 6 (41:23):
But in the NFL, if you if you stack the box,
pretty much any team can really, you know, have success
stopping the run if they really want to, if they
if they sell out for the run. I agree, And
you know, I think the Raiders weren't afraid of the
passing game for the Patriots. The Patriots and I said
this in the block, the Patriots are going to have

(41:43):
to prove to defenses that they can beat them in
the air.

Speaker 11 (41:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (41:49):
Teams aren't going to just give them that. They're not
going to give them that respect yet they haven't earned it.

Speaker 1 (41:53):
Yeah, no, no, they shouldn't.

Speaker 5 (41:54):
Especially I mean, you know, Drake's just been inconsistent at best,
and so put the pressure on him. I would spect
more more from Miami of what we saw from Patrick
Graham in the second half here, especially if it's a lot.

Speaker 1 (42:04):
Of blitzing along those lines too. With Freddie's whole you know,
easy to defend. Mantra Booty I thought was really good
and on the sideline running his guy off turn into
the sideline, easy pitches and catches. I don't think they
tried one sort of double move or just have him
on a flat go route and see if you can
do what he did last year for that well, we'll

(42:26):
never know. They never tried.

Speaker 6 (42:27):
It's almost like and I you know, I hate to
say it, but it's almost like the next game they
should say, you know what, we're going to come out passing,
and we're not going to stop passing. We're just going
to pass because we need to establish the pass. You
know how everyone says establish the run. We need to
establish the pass.

Speaker 1 (42:44):
Preach it, Freddy, you know my theory. Yeah, that's how
you have to That's how you have to score points.
You throw the score in, Mike, run to win.

Speaker 11 (42:52):
You run to win.

Speaker 1 (42:54):
When you get the lead and you get everybody on
the heels, that's when you want to know out with
the ground.

Speaker 6 (42:59):
Getting so mcdan's go to his offense. Get ready, you're
going to be pass blocking today. Don't let them touch him.

Speaker 1 (43:08):
Four sacks today, I know, yeah, could have been more.

Speaker 20 (43:12):
Hey, how we doing, guys? Just when they hit on
hit on two points one. The coaching staff, I think
they were outclassed, especially the second half. Just seeing the
aggression from Chip Kelly would just you know, I just
felt like they just they put us in a blender,
going those heavy stets and just rolling those play action
passes and they're just continuously starting the chunk is down.

(43:33):
Tuell Williams and Rabel had no had no impacts for that.
And then even Josh McDaniels all, you know, even was
tired of you know, him on him coming back. But
you know, where's the screen game? At at least the
second halves kind of get some cheap throws there for there.

Speaker 1 (43:46):
They tried a good number of screens and they were
all snuffed out, sniffed out whatever sniffed out.

Speaker 9 (43:51):
Yeah, there wasn't a lot of good blocking they did.

Speaker 1 (43:53):
They had a couple of pump fakes to Henderson, and
I think they were trying to set something up. Thanks Eric,
You know, my number one thought was with the whole
Henderson thing, and not that I'm very high on Trevon Henderson.
You guys know, I think he's the best weapon they
have on offense. A little bit different when you're playing
against NFL players, You know, I have quite as much
space as you did in the In the preseason, it
seemed to me.

Speaker 5 (44:13):
Like they kind of had a beat that they're going
to try to get this kid going, especially with the
screen game. I would like to see maybe a little
bit more attempt to get him in space, but he
just don't ever get him down. He never had a
chance to really make a play in space. I think
in one particular play where it was like another screen
and they're just closing in on him, he hesitates. There's
nowhere to go, though, so they're gonna have to get

(44:35):
a little bit more creative. I guess all the preseason
hype on Trevon Henderson gave the Raiders a little bit
of a head up on that one. Go back out
to California and Cody, Hey, Cody, he just trails off.

Speaker 1 (44:47):
I just want to make sure I'm not the preseason hype.

Speaker 16 (44:49):
I mean, I felt like I watched the game, I
heard a little bit what you guys had to say.

Speaker 15 (44:54):
I thought we ran fritly well in the beginning and
to the Henderson point, I thought he was the most
successful run game. So I was really wondering why they
went away from him.

Speaker 16 (45:03):
They running the ball with him.

Speaker 1 (45:04):
They really didn't run the ball effectively in this game.
I mean they, like Mike said, I think there was
one play that he had what do you say, fourteen yards? Yeah,
and then every other run they had was marginal success
six four four three.

Speaker 5 (45:17):
I mean, yeah, it's just I mean it's six eighteen
carries for sixty yards, I mean three point three, but
I do.

Speaker 1 (45:22):
Think it's a fourteen yard run. Yeah, just kind of
excus it a little bit.

Speaker 9 (45:27):
I do think Henderson looks better than Oh.

Speaker 1 (45:29):
Because Henderson's running out of spreads and non running situations.
All right, you know they did not block it up
very well. Let's put it that way.

Speaker 8 (45:39):
All right.

Speaker 1 (45:39):
Let's go here, oh boy Rice Young, oh Bress Young
in a tough pick six there at one o'clock game
is still going Freddy the Jacksonville, Carolina game, Yeah, you
could have been a pretty good.

Speaker 9 (45:52):
Lightning.

Speaker 1 (45:53):
Let's go back out to junior. Your MVP Bradnett is
looking good.

Speaker 6 (45:56):
I think, yeah, I almost I almost had the twenty
four to twenty score, right, I was in play for
a long time in this game.

Speaker 1 (46:02):
Hey Brandon, what's going on the team? He wants to go.

Speaker 15 (46:05):
And so.

Speaker 21 (46:07):
One of my big things I want to take away
with Stevenson is that I just don't feel that when
he's running that ball, like he could have got that
second and I think it was second and six where
he just like went out of bounce.

Speaker 13 (46:19):
I get like we're looking at the.

Speaker 21 (46:21):
Time, but like lower your showed, right. I just don't
feel that he has that hit factor anymore.

Speaker 9 (46:26):
Yeah, but wasn't it against the clock? Didn't you have
to get out of bounds at that point?

Speaker 1 (46:30):
Yeah, it was late in the half.

Speaker 21 (46:32):
What happened he didn't get out of bound and he got.

Speaker 9 (46:35):
Oh he got out, get out, he got out of bounce.

Speaker 1 (46:39):
I remember the play and that was the butchered offensive series.

Speaker 6 (46:42):
If he had lowered his shoulder and turned his side,
he definitely would have got it, but the clock would
have start kept running, so it was tough.

Speaker 1 (46:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 21 (46:49):
I mean, I guess those are judgment I just I
don't know. Overall, I just don't feel that he's like
that same guy from like twenty twenty two twenty three. Yeah,
he's picking up those extra yards where he's like fighting
for it.

Speaker 16 (47:00):
It just seems like you get.

Speaker 21 (47:02):
Fit, you get stuffed, and it's just all right, that's it.

Speaker 6 (47:06):
Yeah, I mean psychologically, all the fumbles may have gotten
to them.

Speaker 1 (47:11):
Thanks Brandon, appreciate the call.

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Speaker 5 (50:30):
Welcome back to the postgame Show presented by DraftKings, and
we're excited now to welcome Matt Smith No suck to
the program.

Speaker 9 (50:36):
Back, what's up in a sling?

Speaker 1 (50:37):
Most shocks in a sling? What happened or wasn't It
wasn't at the press conference.

Speaker 7 (50:43):
John, No, they think by spree training maybe yeah, okay,
all right, yeah, all right.

Speaker 5 (50:49):
So Matt, you uh, you took in the press conferences
and you're here to shed some light on what was said.

Speaker 7 (50:53):
Yeah, And then I think what we're trying to do here, Mike,
is to bring you the fans the best of the
press conferences. No, not exactly a fired up room there
in the media room with the players and the coaches,
but I think we boiled down what we believe to
be the best of Mike Rabel, which hitting on the
thing that you guys have been talking about throughout the
postgame show. It's and he's asked directly about the disappointment

(51:14):
Matt about starting off the second half.

Speaker 11 (51:16):
Is really so much flat. I think that's where we
kick it off, Matt.

Speaker 1 (51:20):
You know, it's frustrating. You know, we have to.

Speaker 8 (51:24):
You know, understand how sometimes these games are going to go,
and you know, we we just didn't do enough in
the second half. You know, give them credit, and we
certainly didn't do enough with too many missed our opportunities,
too many penalties, you know, things you know, the turnover
and things that just you know, again just didn't take
advantage of bad football, and then we're able to you know,

(51:46):
have bad football ourselves. I made a decision, you know,
on fourth and ten, with you know, close to five
minutes to punt and would like a better punt, and
we had had him stopped and that was the plan,
and that that didn't work, and then they hit one,
and you know, we just didn't have enough time there
at the end to uh to do anything. That was
the decision you know, that I thought was best for

(52:09):
us at the time. You know, but again, it's a start,
not the one that we wanted, and we got a
long way to go, and we're going to be resolved
to get it fixed and the people that are here
are going to be committed to get it fixed together.
We can't sit there and uh and and hold on
to it too long. We got to go on the road,
and we got to play a division opponent and we

(52:31):
got to embrace moving on and I think that's that's
what we're going to try to do. So thank you.

Speaker 11 (52:38):
So there's a head coach.

Speaker 15 (52:39):
Uh.

Speaker 7 (52:39):
I thought it was interesting there was an a medium
member that asked him about the decision question punt at
that particular point in time. Mike brought that up himself
pretty interesting.

Speaker 9 (52:50):
Well he got booed roundly, so I think that stung
a little. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (52:56):
I think that's interesting though they just brought it up.

Speaker 3 (52:59):
Someone asked him farness in the reflection though, I think
that's important from a coach to be accountable to himself
and to his team. So it is surprising, but I
think refreshing.

Speaker 1 (53:08):
Was that all part of like the open No so
sorry that was edited.

Speaker 7 (53:13):
That was an edited together one minute, eighteen seconds of
an eight minute and fifty second.

Speaker 1 (53:18):
I could see together, but it was different questions periodicy throughout. Okay, Yeah,
I think it's very weird that he brought that decision
to punt up without being asked.

Speaker 9 (53:27):
What was the question that led to that.

Speaker 7 (53:29):
I don't remember, but I think he was more just
opening about the second half.

Speaker 5 (53:35):
It's interesting he brought up I mean, he said when
he first hired one of the team that can take
advantage of bad football, and you know, bad start, but
then you get the interception, you go down to score
a touchdown. There was a brief glimmer there for me
of taking advantage of bad football. And then, as Mike said,
that was kind of it. For the rest of the game,
they weren't able to do it, and they were the
ones then contribute.

Speaker 1 (53:54):
They played the bad football in the second half. Sure right,
you know, you know missing Hunter Henry in the first
play of the second drive. I think that it goes
high and off his hands and that sort of put
you behind the stakes. You ended up going three and out.
That really allowed the Raiders to get their footing, and
that was right after the Raiders had scored to go
ahead fourteen to ten. Now the Raiders get the ball

(54:15):
right back and they go right down the field, make
it seventeen to ten. Second half really wasn't overly competitive.

Speaker 5 (54:20):
Now do you think the interception played an outsized part
of that? I mean, do you think that they came
in with a good plan and then that mistake was
what I do think just.

Speaker 6 (54:29):
Started it all apart because they got it right back
after the interception.

Speaker 1 (54:33):
Now, Raiders went right down scored make it fourteen to ten.

Speaker 11 (54:37):
Correct, that was the first.

Speaker 9 (54:38):
First Sorry I'm thinking about when they missed the field goal.
They got it right back. I'm sorry.

Speaker 5 (54:42):
Yeah, right, And you know that was on from Las
Vegas twenty nine. I mean a lot of these you know,
drives that they had were sixty six yards, fifty five yards,
seventy one yards, fifty two yards, sixty six yards.

Speaker 1 (54:53):
I mean they were.

Speaker 5 (54:54):
Driving the ball and chunk plays from start to finish,
start to finish.

Speaker 7 (54:59):
Eleven plays of night ten yards are more, I think, Right,
that's a lot that a lot of twenty yards people.

Speaker 9 (55:05):
That's why I think is mental it's mental errors.

Speaker 1 (55:09):
I do think not having Gonzales is enormous.

Speaker 6 (55:12):
Yeah, I'm going to try My point there on the
zone is if you have Gonzales? Are you playing more
man to man? They played a lot of mental errors
don't come into play as much.

Speaker 9 (55:20):
Yeah, you're either covering.

Speaker 1 (55:23):
I thought they played a lot of man. Now to
you appoint Fred, Yeah that's great. You want to play
a lot of man. But when your best man cover
guy is not in the game, that makes it a
little bit more difficult. And Gonzales is that much better
than everybody else?

Speaker 4 (55:35):
Oh?

Speaker 13 (55:35):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (55:35):
For the Patriots, does this put pressure on Gonzalez to
get back sooner?

Speaker 1 (55:39):
Or maybe he says, okay, then you see what it
looks like without me.

Speaker 9 (55:47):
Too early?

Speaker 1 (55:48):
Keep my money. So Matt one more, you got another trip?

Speaker 3 (55:52):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (55:52):
Yeah, take us memory line with.

Speaker 7 (55:54):
The quarterback who I think was trying to take some
accountability today, which I think was a good move, and
one of the captains, and I think there was a
common theme amongst everybody that was talking that it's one game,
we got to stick together, and.

Speaker 1 (56:08):
How would you characterize your overall comfort level? And in
Josh's offense in a real game for the first time.

Speaker 14 (56:13):
Yeah, I thought, I mean, I feel pretty good that
I thought I was seeing it. Well, you'll make some
better throws, but kind of the first time, you know,
kind of adjusting from a halftime and and coming in
from there. You just gotta just gotta be better on
my part, I think, you know, down in the red
zone and little things with details, and you know, seven
versus three is huge in this league. And just make
every possession count. And I know there's times that you know,

(56:34):
we we have looks that that we like and I
can think of, you know, letting a couple of rip
that I should have, you know right now. So just
taking advantage of every possession and uh, just trying to
you know, build those guys and I say, get the
first first down.

Speaker 1 (56:46):
It's a brand new team, brand new year.

Speaker 13 (56:49):
This is one game we got a big week ahead
of us to bounce back from Miami.

Speaker 1 (56:57):
He was a little quiet explaining, Yeah, I totally agree.
He didn't notice them really at all. I mean other
than chasing. Yeah, Now that's not his fault. He's not
he shouldn't be he shouldn't be involved in covering rock
powers chasing. Yeah, but I didn't really notice him around
the ball making plays.

Speaker 5 (57:17):
Yeah, it's Ellis made a couple of plays though, coming
in some tackles, but overall, it's just getting a sense
of this new defense and how it's supposed to look,
because we've been watching it this summer and they've been
telling us they want to be very violent and be
very aggressive, and at times they were, but not consistent
enough and just not married the front They always talk

(57:38):
about the front end and the coverage being married together,
and that's what just seemed out of sorts to me.
And you said sometimes it felt like, you know, they're rushing,
they're just not getting there in time. But Gino looked
comfortable in the pocket. Even for the amount that they
were getting there, it never really seemed to take him
out of a flow, whereas on our side of the ball,
it seemed like Drake May after that interception, I mean

(58:00):
he said he was seeing it. Maybe he was seeing
it early. It didn't feel like he was seeing it
late when they you know, had three straight three and outs.

Speaker 9 (58:06):
Yeah, he looked a little jittery, and to that.

Speaker 1 (58:08):
Point about Splaine three tackles in the game, so he
really wasn't overly active. And I do agree about the pressure.
I thought the Patriots did a good job. I mean,
they had four sacks, that's I mean, especially considering the
where they're coming from. They were last in the league
in sacks slash year, so he'll take four sacks. But
I kind of agree with Mike. When they weren't getting

(58:29):
a sack, it didn't seem like they were affecting Geno
Smith very much, whereas the Raiders had four sacks. But
I felt like they affected Drake May throughout the game,
even when the Patriots were playing well. I wist the
bar was coming out quickly.

Speaker 9 (58:42):
You have the pressures I do not number.

Speaker 1 (58:44):
I have to you have to get the ball, no
wish for that.

Speaker 9 (58:46):
To me, that's more telling. You know how many pressures
they claimed?

Speaker 1 (58:50):
Do you feel that way? Like the Raiders were forcing
the ball out quickly even when they weren't getting there,
whereas Geno Smith looked like he had a fair amount
of time to throw. Oh, but he got sacked the
same amount of time.

Speaker 6 (59:02):
That's why I wanted to see the precious because I'll
bet you that the Raiders won that that battle.

Speaker 7 (59:08):
I think Mike made a good point about the marriage
between the rush and the coverage, and the game was
pretty much in hand anyway. But on the third and
twenty uh with they all out blitzed and Davis has
left covering in bit on the uh double on the
double move, like, that's just that I don't think those
are the things that they're being coached, you know, And
that's a.

Speaker 11 (59:28):
Tough one to give up on third and twenty, to
give up.

Speaker 6 (59:30):
Somebody says, I don't know if I agree with all
out blitz. Like, listen, I don't care what the call is.
You still can't let your guy run by it cross
Freddy to you know, you know, if he if that,
if that's incomplete, then it's a good call.

Speaker 1 (59:42):
But if you if you're looking at this, so Rabel
gave you the explanation as to why you decided to
go for to punt on that fourth bound, he's looking well,
once you punt, you're now forced to like even the punt,
it was not a great outcome even if you forced
an inco like you kind of got to make a
play now. And I agree with going after him. They're

(01:00:05):
looking to force a turnover or you know, a bad
play right and take a chance. Yeah, you got to
try to force the issue there. You have your best
cover corner, you know, on a rookie, you shouldn't be
getting beat on a double move on that. So some
of that's got to be the responsibility of the players.
And you're lucky this throw was under thrown a little
bit that would have been a touchdown. Oh, Dave was

(01:00:27):
frustrated on that one.

Speaker 5 (01:00:29):
Well, I gotta read an email from Jake Melbourne, Australia
spending this late. I guess probably early morning there for
him now if it's not midday. But I thought the
aggressiveness on the defensive play calling was a lot for
the game. Was a strange decision with Gonzales out. Don't
think that was the way to go with the run
defense holding up.

Speaker 1 (01:00:46):
It's a fair second guess again.

Speaker 5 (01:00:47):
Yeah, I mean Evan was kind of on that too,
And you know, I think it was the big touchdown
pass where they called the zero blitz same. You know,
we've been talking about it plenty and he agrees with
you regarding Hawkins penalty, but he thought Hawkins had his
head down going in for a tackle before Myers was
head down to create the contact.

Speaker 1 (01:01:01):
That's not what he got called for a penalty for.
He got called for a penalty for jumping and headbutting
him at the end, not his initial test. He'd get
called on the initial hit. It was after that it
was after the guy was already on the basically on
the ground. He jumped up and tried the headbutts. I
actually thought Christian Ellis could have got called for a
penalty on that play too, for diving on the pile.
There was a lot of There was a lot of

(01:01:23):
chippiness on that play. Now, it was kind of it's
the Raiders, you know, like Fred's mayor point, he goes,
Raider's going to Raider. Like that was a really cheap hit,
that number fifty eight there, Paul Solos Johnson, I think
his name is. He got called for it, Jones. That
was a really cheap hit on the sideline. You know,
just nine penalty, two bad teams, nine penalties each, turnovers,

(01:01:45):
miss field goal for both teams. That's you know. You
look and you say, well, how those two teams left.
See he didn't get called for that. He gets called
for what happened after this. He kind of jumps into
the pile and he he just jumps up and I
don't even know if he connected, but he tried to
toward the end. Again, no no real reason for it.

(01:02:07):
If you see how he comes in, well I'm not
going to see you know, we don't have.

Speaker 3 (01:02:11):
The whole thing.

Speaker 9 (01:02:13):
It's after this area back and to the left.

Speaker 1 (01:02:16):
Okay, so oh all right, we had it. You were there? Yeah,
I mean, unless I'm maybe I didn't see the replay properly,
but I think you right there. He just sort of jumps.
He can't tell, but I don't think that the hit,
the initial hit, was what he got called for. But
I could be wrong. Only the refs know what they called.
Either way, it was unnecessary, Kobe. You see that. You

(01:02:38):
see how he jumps in and he throws his head in.
That's what I think he got called for because that
flag and this is something you might not know if
you're just watching TV, but we could see the flag.
It was came. It came from right underneath us in
the press box, way after the guys on the ground.
The flag came flying into the pile, which leads me
to believe it wasn't the initial hit. Again, no reason

(01:03:00):
for it, and that's kind of that's in character. He
has a lot of those kinds of hits, Hawkins. It's
like your guy.

Speaker 5 (01:03:07):
A couple of a couple of emails in here which
people expressing concern about Drake Man, you know, feeling a
little bit gunshy this one though. From Robin San Diego
via Connecticut. I'm sure there are many emails coming in
expressing frustration over the loss. I'm feeling something different, but
potentially worse. It's something Fred has talked about in the past,
that is indifference. The game was another conservative, boring, mistake

(01:03:29):
filled effort that simply wasn't entertaining. You can say it
was only the first game, but it could have been
the eighteenth from last season. Despite the huff and puff,
it just looks the same. That might be a worse
fate than simply losing. Do you guys agree with that?

Speaker 6 (01:03:42):
Well, it's a lot of He's right, it could be,
but again, I refuse to make a conclusion.

Speaker 9 (01:03:48):
About this team based on one game. You know, I'm
not going to do that.

Speaker 1 (01:03:53):
Well, I's I think I think you're smart to do that,
and there will be a lot of overreaction in which
what is it twenty is it twenty eight players? Twenty
eight new players something like that? Over fifty percent? Yeah,
it's over fifty percent of the rush, So it's not
the same team. It's almost an entirely new coaching staff, right,
and more than half new personnel. So I think you're

(01:04:14):
right to say, like, can we see this team play
a little bit before we decide it's the same old Patriots.
The second half, certain I understand the mentality. The second
half looked very similar to what we see in the
last three or four years.

Speaker 5 (01:04:27):
Some back to the phones here, we got Rhino down
in Durham, North Carolina. Hello Rhino, Hey.

Speaker 4 (01:04:33):
Fellows, thanks for taking my call, No problem. I wanted
to talk about Will Campbell and some concerns that a
lot of Pats fans had, And obviously he had the
penalties there, but it seems like he's so concerned on
past debts with getting death that it's creating some issues
on the left side of the line. Good defensive coordinators

(01:04:53):
are going to notice some of these problems. I thought
it came up in the run game a little bit,
which is why I think some people figured he'd be
better at guard than tackle. Obviously it's a bit of
an overreaction, but your thoughts.

Speaker 6 (01:05:05):
I noticed that early in camp that he was his
drop back. His set was so far back that sometimes
he was too close to Dre from the get go.
I didn't notice that today that much.

Speaker 1 (01:05:16):
Tyree Wilson Sack was one of those. Yeah, the guy
came upfield and then he just planted and came right
inside him.

Speaker 9 (01:05:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:05:24):
Now I don't know if that's because he Campbell did
a good job and steimied him on his initial rush
so we decided to do something different, or if he
noticed what Yeah, you know the caller's talking about.

Speaker 9 (01:05:35):
I don't think he had a terrible day.

Speaker 1 (01:05:37):
I don't think he was terrible, but he wasn't great either.

Speaker 6 (01:05:39):
He wasn't great and not as good in the run
game as we thought he was. But again, he's got
that ankle. And I saw him when he got out
of his stance in some pool.

Speaker 9 (01:05:48):
Plays that he was just slow.

Speaker 5 (01:05:50):
Yeah, he was slowdn't didn't have that speed that we.

Speaker 1 (01:05:54):
Still noticed spread and we didn't have a show on Friday,
you know, Mike and I did a little mission, you know,
locker room. He had something on the left ankle, and
I wouldn't call it necessarily a limp, but he was
favoring it. You could see that there was some difference.

Speaker 6 (01:06:10):
Sometimes when you have an ankle, Like if you're just
walking straight ahead, it seems okay, but it's when you
go left, right and you put that stress on it.

Speaker 9 (01:06:18):
When you're trying to.

Speaker 5 (01:06:18):
Play an NFL game, it can be a little bit.
Let's uh, let's go down to Baltimore and be hey,
be what's up?

Speaker 15 (01:06:27):
Hello? Hey, how you guys doing all right?

Speaker 1 (01:06:30):
Good?

Speaker 15 (01:06:32):
But so for the question I had with them, and
it's off seas the Brandon Josh mcdange, the office is
still radio. It's not creative enough for the day's NFL.
It's like it's the same thing, like nobody's worried about.
It's not giving the deep, it's nothing to think about. Yeah,

(01:06:52):
it's not creative enough. That's why they should have brought
somebody in with something different.

Speaker 1 (01:06:56):
Yeah, well thanks.

Speaker 6 (01:06:58):
It's sometimes it's hard to create if you don't have
the tools, and I'm saying that they don't. But it
doesn't seem right now that they've got that one guy
that is a difference maker that the other defense has
to really focus on, and it opens up things for
other people. I'm hoping eventually that's Diggs, but it wasn't today.

Speaker 1 (01:07:21):
Sure, well, you got surprised about the usage of Diggs.

Speaker 5 (01:07:24):
I'm not sure what the final snap count was, but
it seemed like they eased him in a little bit,
and they were rotating a lot of guys.

Speaker 1 (01:07:29):
I mean everybody.

Speaker 5 (01:07:30):
Williams got some snaps. But given that Deefon Diggs basically
look healthy this summer and was maybe a little bit limited,
But were you surprised that he wasn't out there more
he was?

Speaker 1 (01:07:39):
I was just surprised that he wasn't on There was
some third downs early in the game that he wasn't
But overall, I mean seven targets, six catches, like like
Fred said, no real plays. He had one late in
garbage time for sixteen yards, but you know, they try
to try to get a screen to him that Chris
just showed on the highlight package. This was sort of

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a broken play where Drake just made something out of nothing,
and that was the first and fifteen play. They ended
up being a ten yard game. That's you know, those
are the kinds of plays. That was probably his best
player of the game. Third and five, they really they
really heated him up. This play is just, you know,
kind of garbage time. I didn't really but the one
on the third and five quick slant, I think it
was his hot receiver. Yeah, they were, and they got

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immediate pressure on him right there. That's what you got
digs for. He uncovered immediately quick and that's a that's
a huge first down on third and five. Was the
last player of the third quarter. Unfortunately, they weren't able
to do anything with that drive.

Speaker 9 (01:08:36):
And a good a good play by Drake too. You
always stand.

Speaker 1 (01:08:41):
Do that nonsense like oh that was that looked like
a Patriots play. Yeah, right, that was a Patriots player
right there. I saw Tom Brady do that a million times,
like I know you come in, I'm going to get
it out before you can get there. And I know
my guy's going to beat his guy before you can
get there, right, and we're going to move the chains.
And that's that's what that's what you want to see.
Just unfortunately didn't get enough of that.

Speaker 7 (01:08:58):
I mean, the gentleman in Baltimore or I wonder if
he was thinking the same thing in the first half,
because I did think in the second quarter there was
the ball was.

Speaker 11 (01:09:05):
One two out, one two out.

Speaker 7 (01:09:07):
They were they were in a little bit of a
rhythm offensively, but Drake was getting the ball out pretty quickly.

Speaker 11 (01:09:12):
You didn't see that.

Speaker 1 (01:09:13):
At all in the second half. And that's Fred's point,
like all of a sudden you try to do the
same stuff. They kind of take some of those things away.
You can't do the one two out thing. And I
thought that pick punch.

Speaker 6 (01:09:25):
To me, it felt like at halftime Carol said to
his team, we're giving them too much respect. Just go
get them, you know enough, We're gonna play eight in
the box. We're gonna crash down. We're not gonna worry
about them going over the top because we're gonna get there.

Speaker 5 (01:09:40):
Yeah, Loo from Philly rights in and he wanted said,
can we please come on on? All the whole stadium
was Raider fans.

Speaker 1 (01:09:46):
Is that true?

Speaker 9 (01:09:48):
See, that's stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:09:53):
It's hard to sort of notice from the press point.

Speaker 6 (01:09:55):
After the five thousand Patriots fans, five thousand fans, and
it seems like there's.

Speaker 1 (01:10:01):
A lot you know.

Speaker 5 (01:10:02):
Yeah, there were some in the press box too, heard
them cheering the whole that was media.

Speaker 1 (01:10:07):
I was on edge. They were sitting right in front.

Speaker 9 (01:10:09):
Really you didn't hear the.

Speaker 1 (01:10:12):
You know it right from the get gos first part
of the game was like good, it nice. Just like
then there's like a Stevenson run up the middle nothing
and I'm like.

Speaker 9 (01:10:22):
The media people, Yeah, the Raiders staff put them to the.

Speaker 1 (01:10:27):
P P of the w p A, they might not
be in it. I just don't have time for that nonsense.
Brian Morey would have said, he would have chasted. He
would finger wag. Oh yeah, Brad's in Ohio. Hey Brad,
thanks for calling in. What do you got?

Speaker 13 (01:10:42):
Oh?

Speaker 9 (01:10:43):
How are you doing all right?

Speaker 15 (01:10:46):
Good?

Speaker 18 (01:10:47):
I just got a couple of questions for you. First
about Kyle Williams and Diggs.

Speaker 24 (01:10:53):
And I just wondered how they they did in the game,
and then.

Speaker 16 (01:11:00):
Looked like we had open receivers with McDaniel's play calling.
That message well with Drake's.

Speaker 18 (01:11:06):
Abilities kind of correlates with what the caller said, did
we And then how.

Speaker 16 (01:11:12):
Did the rookies do individually?

Speaker 20 (01:11:15):
And I take Fred's point very smoothly.

Speaker 16 (01:11:17):
He's right, everything fixable.

Speaker 24 (01:11:22):
From what I gather from what you're all playing.

Speaker 16 (01:11:26):
There you go, what do you think about that?

Speaker 24 (01:11:27):
Thanks?

Speaker 1 (01:11:29):
Think about those nine questions?

Speaker 6 (01:11:30):
So there's a lot of questions there, A lot of
questions there. How did you want to The first one
was how did Williams and Diggs do?

Speaker 1 (01:11:36):
I don't think Williams had Booty not gotten hurt?

Speaker 11 (01:11:40):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:11:42):
He played a handful of snaps. He caught a pass
late in the garbage time drive at the end, I
thought Diggs was quiet, but you know, I think you
got his feet wet.

Speaker 9 (01:11:51):
Yep.

Speaker 5 (01:11:52):
No big plays, and that's what I was looking for,
is I mean you mentioned that we talked about the slam,
but those are the plays that Stefan Diggs would repeatedly
tear my heart with the loves.

Speaker 1 (01:12:00):
We loved that slant that that's a play I saw
a million times with with Buffalo over the year.

Speaker 6 (01:12:05):
He kind of like, we're hoping that the way Myers
came out, Digs would come out.

Speaker 9 (01:12:10):
Yeah, like Myers was hurting us.

Speaker 6 (01:12:13):
Like Myers again, that's what you want for Diggs, you know,
you want the other team to be like Digs again.

Speaker 5 (01:12:18):
Yeah what a Kobe just keeps doing He gets open,
he catches the ball, you know, holds on to it.

Speaker 8 (01:12:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:12:23):
I mean it's not dynamic, it's not like you know,
but man, right though, like the team that had the
team that just basically had Brock Bauers in Jacoby Myers,
and it's like, you know, Trayling Tucker two for fifty
four in a touchdown thwart and two for forty five.
Big play at the end, of the game to sort
of ended Meyer Or Mayor is Michael Mayor, Mayor Mayor
four for thirty years, So kid from Notre Dame. They
were much more than just hours and uh right, that's

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a decent by the way, Yeah, that's a decent time.
And we were talking in pregame behind enemy lines with
Vinnie bon Signori and he was mentioning how they really
haven't used him, Like he thinks they have this really
potentually dynamic duo at tight end, and he thinks they're
going to use more of Mayor this year than they have.

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He thinks that that's a weapon for them.

Speaker 6 (01:13:08):
And it was today and we talked about it during
the week. You know, coaching matchup. Don't underestimate the effect
of Pete Carroll. He's a damn good NFL coach.

Speaker 1 (01:13:17):
He's proven and Chip Kelly. Chip Kelly had some success
and everybody's like, oh, it's a gimmick offense. Well that
was like ten years ago when he was in the league, you.

Speaker 9 (01:13:25):
Know, right, still remember him from Oregon.

Speaker 1 (01:13:28):
Maybe he'll adapted a little.

Speaker 9 (01:13:29):
He can't do it Oregon, you know, they can't do
that in the NFL.

Speaker 1 (01:13:32):
He knows that individually I think Brad wanted to know
about the rookies. I would say Craig Woodson I think
looked like he played reasonably well. I didn't notice him
out of position. He had a handful of tackles. Beyond
beyond that, I didn't really like Campbell. The rookies. Wilson
not a struggle.

Speaker 9 (01:13:52):
Bad game, but Campbell struggled.

Speaker 1 (01:13:53):
Yeah, I don't think Henderson did my Henderson got a
bunch of touches, but really didn't do much with him.
Not that it was his fault. Yeah, but they had
him racked up. I think they had him scouted. Yeah. Yeah,
and the kicker and the kicker mister a chip shot,
so that's not good. The long snap seemed okay, good
as far as I could tell.

Speaker 5 (01:14:11):
Get job, Julian Ashby, Uh, we're going to Greece, Alex,
thanks for calling in, man.

Speaker 1 (01:14:16):
What's going on.

Speaker 25 (01:14:18):
Doing guys?

Speaker 8 (01:14:19):
Can you hear me?

Speaker 6 (01:14:19):
Okay?

Speaker 25 (01:14:19):
Yeah, So I have a pretty brief question. Actually, I
wanted to ask about the fourth and ten punt because
I couldn't believe it when Riebel punted it. It just
felt like we were giving the game away. I honestly
just I don't see why you would do it? And
I know if you talked about it in the press
conference a bit, but I just want to ask you
guys to play some devil's advocate, Like if you're the coach,

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why would you punt it in that situation? Like what
advantage is there to doing that? Well, that's all I got.
I just wanted to you.

Speaker 1 (01:14:48):
Guys to take I mean, if you're looking to pin
them deep inside their ten with the punt and you're
hoping to play field position, you get three you know,
three out because you're probably going to get real conservative
and run the ball three times. So let's say you
you punt in, they fair catch it at the seven,
you stop gentt three times, you use your time out,
you get the ball back right where you were on
first down. And yeah, that that's what I think you're

(01:15:09):
looking for. I wouldn't have done it. I would have
gone for it. Fourth and ten is not, uh insurmountable,
especially from midfield. Yeah, you know, it's not insurmountable. It's
not like if you don't get the fourth dound, the
game is over. You're in the same spot you need
you need to stop, except for field position is different.

Speaker 5 (01:15:23):
Hey, FOREMA call here Sean and Virginia. Hey, Sean, thanks
for calling him what he got holdo.

Speaker 24 (01:15:28):
That's how you guys doing, all right? I the one
thought I was saying, like, I think we need to
come to grit that uh that Drake maybe make Drake
maybe maybe the centerpiece of the destruction of this team.
Because when you're constantly missing Bunny like little chippy shots
across the field or whatever, that those are more minsum killers.
So I mean that could be the difference between you

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actually putting the ball away perhaps probably getting three or
Betty yet seven. So then the business not actually changed
if your office is actually sustaining drive because he's missing
easy shot and I'm something to one. If he's actually
a cable of being a legit quarterback, we'll do a
type of mishat. That's all I wanted to say.

Speaker 1 (01:16:09):
Thanks, Sean. I mean, this is a didn't expect last
I mean, and they lose.

Speaker 5 (01:16:14):
The quarterback doesn't look great, quarterback gets the attention and
going into the season, this is what you wanted to know.

Speaker 1 (01:16:20):
Is this quarterback not.

Speaker 9 (01:16:22):
A good start for the year for him? And think
about it this way. Let's say.

Speaker 6 (01:16:27):
Drake's a guy on another team and he wasn't a
first round pick. He was a late round pick who's
playing because their starter is hurt. What will we be
thinking of that quarterback from this game? Inconsistent and like
just he's a backup quarterback who's never going to make
it in the NFL. Now we know better, we know better.
But that's the kind of game he had, Like he

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had their moments, but for the most part, he was overwhelmed,
you know, like he.

Speaker 1 (01:16:54):
Just well he was erratic.

Speaker 9 (01:16:56):
He was erratic.

Speaker 1 (01:16:57):
I mean, you might you might be right that he
was overwhelming. I just think he's he has Mike calls
him the ma sprays, and I think he's right. Yeah,
I think there's times where he loses his accuracy. Yeah,
And that's my biggest concern about having Josh McDaniels as
the offensive coordinator because it requires perfection and to my mind,
there's one guy who's been able to do that.

Speaker 13 (01:17:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:17:17):
Well, I don't know, like in this game, I don't
know if it was that same offense, Like well, I
just like when he throws it over Hunter Henry's head,
like the Hunter Henry's open, But you can't not the
offense what.

Speaker 1 (01:17:28):
I'm saying, But it requires perfection.

Speaker 9 (01:17:30):
So when he requires an accurate pass, right, that's not
I'm not talking.

Speaker 1 (01:17:35):
About every single one of them needs to be accurate.
Most quarterbacks aren't accurate with every one of these.

Speaker 6 (01:17:39):
I don't understand what he's saying, Like if you're if
you're in that rhythm offense, I get it, but like
that's not what they were doing, you know, No.

Speaker 1 (01:17:47):
But my point is, you can't the color nails it.
You can't miss those throws.

Speaker 9 (01:17:52):
Well, no quarterback can miss those throws, right, not just
Josh mcdann, but.

Speaker 1 (01:17:56):
When you're five yards at a time, seven yards at
a time, you can can't miss any of the throws
or you're behind the sticks because that's the way the
offense is. And may missed some of those throws today,
and he's right. I'm not saying they were easy throws,
but they weren't hard. Yeah, the throws that he should make,
and today he missed a handful of them. Call him
a half dozen. Sure you know that they're behind or

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high whatever they were. He missed. Pop Douglas, you know
coming across in the end zone first time, you know,
the first time before the touchdown, which the touchdown and
then he falls the touchdown up with incredible throat. That
was one of the exactly where it has to be.

Speaker 7 (01:18:34):
Yeah, the best throws of his career. I was texting
with sim and I said, that's one of the best
throws of Drake May's career.

Speaker 9 (01:18:39):
No, he can't do it. We know he can do it, right.

Speaker 7 (01:18:42):
But the other one that drives me wacky is at
home a delay game, you know, like I just those
those have to drive a coaching staff crazy.

Speaker 5 (01:18:49):
You can't do that, No, I mean, this is an
email from Ivan in California. Is just a lot of
what we're getting. Honestly, I don't think it's unrealistic to
be concerned about Drake May. He once again didn't play
a clean game and consistently throws high or can't make
simple throws. He's got too much blood sell in him,
all right, Paul, have sincere reservations on it.

Speaker 1 (01:19:08):
L I'll tell you that. But is this what you know?

Speaker 5 (01:19:12):
Is this what we're are we jumping right into this
right now with with Drake May? And is you know
it's the pressure going to start to mount on him
a little bit if this is how it continues to go.

Speaker 6 (01:19:20):
I think each component of that offense. When they have
their meetings this week, they have to be read the
Riot Act. You know, like the offensive line has to
be read the Riot Act. It's just not good enough.
And the wide receiver, everybody, everybody contributed to that second half.

Speaker 1 (01:19:43):
Yeah, I mean, nothing was good. Nothing was good in
the second half. Mike had it right away, you know,
Mike was in full fledged pelp mode and like late
in the third quarter was like pick punt, punt.

Speaker 5 (01:19:54):
It was like I was just reading down what happened.

Speaker 1 (01:19:56):
I was just reading the stats. It wasn't good. It
was it was It was kind of jarring after what
you thought was. You know, they had put together a
nice drive to get down and tie the game, and
then they put another nice drive together and Borgalis misses
a chip shot, and then they put another drive together

(01:20:17):
and they get kind of bailed out with a penalty,
you know, a questionable call, and then they still only
get three even after that break, and you kind of like, yeah,
we're kind of shooting ourselves in the foot here. We
should have more points on the board. Yeah, and it's
ten to seven instead of you know, at the very minimum,
it should have been thirteen to seven, probably even more.

Speaker 6 (01:20:37):
If you break down that offense, if one component of
that offense had a stellar game, we would be and
and the rest of the offense still played the way
they played, we would be singing a different tune right now.

Speaker 5 (01:20:49):
If Henderson busted a few big way.

Speaker 6 (01:20:51):
Yeah, if the running backs or if the line played
really well and Drake still missed a few passes, that
would be a much different game. If Drake was able
to take the team on his shoulders and despite you know,
the offensive line not playing that well, we'd be thinking
singing a different tune. There's no one right now that
can really be a game changer yet for the Patriots.

(01:21:14):
So now they have to play solid team football and
it was far from that today. So until they have
Drake May being that guy that can win a game
on his own, or an offensive line that is just
you know, elite, they're going to rely on everybody playing
up to a certain level.

Speaker 9 (01:21:33):
And that's tough when you're a young team like like
they are right now.

Speaker 1 (01:21:38):
Now.

Speaker 5 (01:21:38):
Mike and Willman in North Carolina, he's he's got his
crossairs on. Will Campbell thought he looked awful on his debut.
I understand rookie growing pains, but for months that our
old line was going to be significantly better than last year,
and this seems like more of the same. Campbell looks
way over his head and nowhere near what a fourth
overall tackle should look like. Please tell me why I
should be optimistic about him. I mean, did you guys
that's harsh? I mean, did you guys think we saw

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we saw a non functional offensive line today.

Speaker 11 (01:22:02):
I think it's a little a little reaction for game one,
But do you.

Speaker 5 (01:22:06):
Think that the pressure was what caused Drake May to
oh unravel? You know, I didn't think I saw last year.
I don't think they were non functional.

Speaker 1 (01:22:14):
But no, it wasn't non functional. But I do agree
with that. You know, I have been told how much
better the offensive line is going to be, and first
of all, that's an incredibly low bar. Yeah, but if
you want to say significantly improved, I haven't seen that
in practice. I haven't seen a significant Are they better
than they were last year?

Speaker 11 (01:22:32):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:22:33):
They are, and they're going to get better. They have
two rookies playing their first NFL game today on the
left side. They'll get better. But it wasn't good today,
not by any means. They couldn't run it and they
couldn't protect.

Speaker 5 (01:22:44):
Was the inability to not run it? Was that more surprising?
And was that the bigger detriment today? Like I think
we came in so concerned about Max Crosby and pass
rush and getting Drake uncomfortable? Ultimately, was it the fact
that they couldn't move the ball at all on the
ground and kind of had to resort to the pass
all with you?

Speaker 11 (01:23:00):
Is that?

Speaker 5 (01:23:00):
I mean, that's kind of surprising that you didn't think
coming in, oh, geez, we can't run block that's going
to be the problem today.

Speaker 1 (01:23:06):
But it kind of seems like.

Speaker 9 (01:23:07):
They have to do something that gives that challenges that.

Speaker 1 (01:23:11):
You think about the short yardage place sad like they
had the late one in the first half on the
third and one that had a missdirection, and you know
earlier in that half they had a fourth and one
and what do they do that? You know, like they
went a third and one, they got stuffed and on
fourth and one they play action and took the shot
to Hollins and they got the interference call on So
I think Mike's makes a good point, like you got
to run the ball better than that and maybe make

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it a little bit easier for the pass protection to
hold up. To your point, Freddy, when you're quote easy
to defend, they're just teeing off.

Speaker 7 (01:23:39):
I don't know if you guys listened to Mike at
the end of the half when they were going into halftime,
but the CBS reporter aster they Mike made it a
point to talk about how their short yardage situation was needed,
was an improvement.

Speaker 11 (01:23:51):
I mean, so it definitely caught his attention.

Speaker 5 (01:23:53):
We saw some Hunter Henriette full back. We saw a
lot of misdirection. I mean, it still seems like they're
kind of looking for it to be able to run
what Josh truly wants to run. I mean, I think
it's Jack Westover had some snaps, but I don't think
he's the fullback answer. So it's just also to me,
was highlighted that they don't quite have the right personnel
that they entirely need.

Speaker 1 (01:24:13):
We know that work in progress.

Speaker 5 (01:24:14):
You know, it's a work in progress as far as that,
and hey, Ryan in Oceanside he said keep the faith alive.
That was pretty disgusting, disgusting opening to the season. But hey,
at least sixteen to one is still in play.

Speaker 1 (01:24:24):
Spoken like Fred, that's true.

Speaker 9 (01:24:26):
You can't argue with that.

Speaker 1 (01:24:28):
I don't argue with you, Fred, I've learned that in order. Carolina. Justina, Hey, Justina,
thanks for calling him. What do you got, Hi?

Speaker 26 (01:24:38):
I'm just a little disappointed that the college put Drake
under the bus. It's like, Drake is in the cause
of the team. Everybody was having mistakes, you know, everybody.

Speaker 1 (01:24:51):
Are you going to you just said, drink under the
bullet Oh? I think the caller, Okay, I'm sorry, d
a under the bus.

Speaker 26 (01:25:01):
Because he did not you know, he kicked the ball off.

Speaker 13 (01:25:05):
You know, the game they.

Speaker 20 (01:25:07):
Had the Patriot's number.

Speaker 26 (01:25:09):
And I don't think it's good to just take away
the confidence of the team because they played hard.

Speaker 15 (01:25:15):
They did. Everybody had issues.

Speaker 26 (01:25:17):
That they could correct.

Speaker 16 (01:25:18):
It's a learning experience.

Speaker 26 (01:25:21):
Don't make him feel like he's you know, he's the.

Speaker 20 (01:25:23):
Cause of them losing.

Speaker 26 (01:25:26):
You know, Drake is, he tries to He's very good.
I've seen Drake come out and pull it pull it
out before, you know. But but making him feel like
and he takes responsibility for he's actions, but making him
feel like he's the cause of the entire loss.

Speaker 9 (01:25:43):
Oh, I don't think that yeah, the caller did that.

Speaker 1 (01:25:46):
I'm what did you say, Matt? The number of nineteen
plus yard plays they allowed eleven eleven? That has as
much to do with losing the game as anything.

Speaker 11 (01:25:57):
And I will throw a little perspective in this year.

Speaker 7 (01:25:59):
I don't know if it's fitting or not, but a
year ago with this time, what was the mood in
this room?

Speaker 1 (01:26:04):
We're back, baby. It all depends on you were talking
to No, No, No the Bengals game. But I'm like,
if you play that game sixteen more times, you're going
one in sixteen.

Speaker 26 (01:26:12):
I know.

Speaker 7 (01:26:13):
But what they had to do to win the game,
won a game, and they didn't improve throughout the course
of the year. I think I feel fairly confident in saying,
forget about the record, they will let this team will
improve to the course of the year.

Speaker 1 (01:26:25):
Good question.

Speaker 11 (01:26:26):
I think they're going to improve. I wish I could.

Speaker 1 (01:26:28):
I wish I could share that enthusias.

Speaker 7 (01:26:30):
And I think the kids on the left side, you
got to throw those guys in there. I amble, Campbell
and Wilson, and you know what, let's see how you
guys do.

Speaker 1 (01:26:37):
I think they will be better.

Speaker 11 (01:26:38):
They're going to be better.

Speaker 5 (01:26:39):
I think this is I want to direct this question
to Paul's going to jump in with Sam from Halifax.
He just said, if you only watch Patriots games, you'd
think Gino Smith is the greatest QB of.

Speaker 1 (01:26:47):
All time, given us speaking about a year, last year
and this year.

Speaker 5 (01:26:49):
Paul, I remember last year in the pregame show, You're like,
he stinks he's a stiff, and now is he two gazer.

Speaker 1 (01:26:55):
He's a little strong, but it's not too it's not
too far off. Like he really opened my eyes in
that game last year.

Speaker 11 (01:27:01):
I'm not.

Speaker 1 (01:27:04):
And you'd be like, that's the guy I was member,
sort of a journeyman, you know, average guy against the
Patriots that that email is dead on.

Speaker 6 (01:27:13):
Pete Carroll goes to a brand new team in one
of the first things he does is he brings Gino
Smith with him, So like, who knows him better than
Pete Carroll?

Speaker 1 (01:27:22):
Yeah, your point.

Speaker 11 (01:27:24):
Very accurate thrower, Gino, I.

Speaker 5 (01:27:27):
Mean, and wide open receivers like we're in right now too.

Speaker 1 (01:27:30):
That that that that helps too. I mean, he's he's
a good player. I just he's impressed for him. He
had some really really good timing throws to the outside
today where he just sort of delivered it right on time.

Speaker 11 (01:27:42):
This is you know, obviously that was pitching.

Speaker 1 (01:27:44):
Anyone can do that one. But he had a throw
to Bowers on the sideline. He had to throw. I
want to say to Tucker. Maybe it wasn't Tucker, maybe
it was throwting on the sideline, but he listened. I
I was critical that email is dead on. I was
critical of him going into that Seattle game last year.
It was wrong that day.

Speaker 5 (01:28:07):
I was right to Jacoby now, and I just I
continue seeing some of the highlights of Jacoby Myers. It's just,
you know, we saw him here as a rookie, and
he continues to do what he always does. And it's
just I don't feel like he gets a lot of respect.
But he is consistently productive no matter who is throwing
him the ball, on whatever team he's been on. We
get it right in here from Nick from Phoenix, looking

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for any optimism. I didn't need to see a win
today in order to feel good about the team this year.
But I was really hoping to hang my hat on
something in terms of improvement compared to last year. What
did you all see that makes you think that this
team has improved verus last year? I know, it's only
one game, so I won't declare them dead by any means,
But there wasn't anything that I can look at and
say there was they were much improved on compared to
last year.

Speaker 1 (01:28:48):
May was if he a best.

Speaker 5 (01:28:49):
The old line wasn't anything impressive and the defense couldn't
get stops unless Vegas messed up.

Speaker 9 (01:28:53):
Well, if the game ended after thirty minutes, we'd be happy,
so can I.

Speaker 1 (01:28:56):
But it was better today. It was the question what
was better today?

Speaker 11 (01:29:00):
The pressure or did they scheme their pressure?

Speaker 1 (01:29:02):
I would say pressure was better today. That I mean,
I do think it was schemed, but it was but
better in spurts the kids chasing.

Speaker 7 (01:29:10):
I think that was one where he actually beat the
guy in front of him that didn't That was the
one that didn't look schemed.

Speaker 11 (01:29:15):
But the rest of them kind of looked schemed.

Speaker 5 (01:29:16):
But again, like, didn't Keon White have like two and
a half sacks in the first like game last year?
You know he saw a similar kind of like initial production,
and then it was somebody for did.

Speaker 11 (01:29:24):
You see any improvement?

Speaker 7 (01:29:25):
You know, they they did not get to the quarterback
at all last year, so they did they have for
sacks and they play well.

Speaker 1 (01:29:30):
They did, but they but to Mike's point, they had
sacks in the first game last year.

Speaker 5 (01:29:34):
I would just say, I think I just liked how
Chase On looked. I know he was kind of productive,
but I just think he's got off the edge good
and Landry's strong. I just I think they've got some
juice off the edge they didn't have last year.

Speaker 1 (01:29:44):
I would say, even though I thought it was quiet, today,
I would say Diggs is an improvement over last year.
And I think he'll get better. Yeah, I think he'll get.

Speaker 9 (01:29:52):
More comfortable and he'll develop his final numbers.

Speaker 1 (01:29:55):
He was thirty for forty six for two eighty seven
with a touchdown and a pick, four sacks in a fumble, Okay,
not good.

Speaker 9 (01:30:05):
Could have never done that?

Speaker 1 (01:30:07):
Yeah, I mean, well, I think you could do I
think you could absolutely do that. Oh pset, he's capable
of He's capable of not scoring points. Yes, I don't
think he can do that. What was better this year?
And I think what he's talking about the email is
talking about is May. He's comparing it to May, not
to Brissett. But I know you had your little line there.

(01:30:29):
What was better? A little line? What was what was better,
Like what was better today than it was last year?
And I think Matt's point. I would agree with Matt.
I think the rush was better, even though Mike do
So is correct and pointing out that Keon White had
two and a half sacks in the opener last year
and much like Harold Landry did well, I thought that
the pressure was better.

Speaker 6 (01:30:48):
Here's what's better. It's only one game so far. It
was a whole season last year, so we're.

Speaker 1 (01:30:56):
Comparing the first game, I know, and like basically season,
you know, is it indicative of what you're going to get? Right?
And I think Mike Dusau was pointing out that if
you made the sweeping generalization that well, the pass rush
looks good after the first week last year, obviously until
you got to that game that they had nine sacks
against the Bears, you never really sorry again.

Speaker 5 (01:31:18):
Or even just feeling great about.

Speaker 1 (01:31:19):
But I thinks I think Diggs gives the offense, the
passing game a better option than anything they happen.

Speaker 9 (01:31:26):
Looked better than he did last year.

Speaker 1 (01:31:28):
I think Booty was on par with what he was
last year. I think Booty I think I don't want
to go as far to say he's like criminally underrated
or anything. But I never understood the whole premise that
he needed. He was on the chopping block before the draft,
like they're looking to move on from Kaishan Booty. I
have not seen anybody that's any better than Kaishan Booty

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in a Patriots uniform, and yet he always just seems
to be the other guy.

Speaker 5 (01:31:54):
Yeah, probably because he's not electric on the outside, but
he's consistent.

Speaker 1 (01:31:58):
Me.

Speaker 5 (01:31:58):
He's kind of a little bit like Jacobe to me
in that way, not exactly the same players, but you know,
just makes the catches.

Speaker 1 (01:32:03):
He gets.

Speaker 14 (01:32:06):
Tough.

Speaker 1 (01:32:06):
You have over one hundred yards today, he did one
hundred and three. Six for one hundred and three. I
think I think you can do. You could do much
worse than having him be like your third option.

Speaker 13 (01:32:18):
Now.

Speaker 1 (01:32:18):
The problem is they don't have great first options, and
that's what we're gonna have to find. Would you say
he's a solid three? Would you say that? Would you
say that to Mario? Douglas was good, better and different today?

Speaker 6 (01:32:31):
I mean I had a touchdown, he also had to drop,
you know, kind of like a lot of these guys.

Speaker 5 (01:32:36):
It was up and down, I think, But I would say,
over all of them.

Speaker 9 (01:32:39):
Had two touchdowns. He was he had a step on
that other one.

Speaker 1 (01:32:44):
Seven, Well, it would have been one touchdown because that
played seven seven targets to catches. That's how it worse
for mine.

Speaker 9 (01:32:51):
Get to do it again for.

Speaker 1 (01:32:52):
Minus two yards? Yeah, no, not not good enough. I
mean two yards in a touchdown not easy to do.
I'd say, I.

Speaker 5 (01:33:00):
Still feel good about Travon Henderson too, and I think I.

Speaker 1 (01:33:03):
Feel run the ball a little bit.

Speaker 5 (01:33:04):
I feel good about there's probably a lot with Max
Crosby going into the game trying to figure out how
to handle him and what we have to do to
make sure that he doesn't destroy our game plan. And
of course next week he got Bradley Chubb. Chubb and
Jalen Phillips, who you know is still pretty good pass
rushers themselves. But as they start to get going a
little bit, I think that they'll find ways to get
tad him going. I'd love to see vermandre get going.

(01:33:25):
I mean, that was what I really like it.

Speaker 1 (01:33:27):
Henderson is Fred's thing. I think Henderson was a guy
that was a focal point of the Raiders defense today.
I think he was a big part of the Raiders
defense's game plan and they were ready for him. Now,
I'm not saying that's great that he didn't really do much,
but it's good to have some players that the other
team has to account for.

Speaker 5 (01:33:43):
Yeah, what's another thing I'm surprised about is just and
I've said this a lot in the shows leading up
to it, like mac Hollins was always involved in joint
practices preseason, Like you just always saw Drake looking for him.
There was one moment where I'm like, it's like a
first down from like the thirty. I'm like, here comes
a face to Matt Collins. Didn't happen. I just was
interested because going in I suddenly show him. I'm curious

(01:34:05):
once we get into the games if this, if he
continues to be like this, and today he disappeared. I
mean he had the one marginal at best part pass
interference draw target.

Speaker 6 (01:34:14):
That other target that he had. I thought he I
always called lobster armed. I know it's alligator arm, but
he lost I thought he. I thought he heard some
footsteps on that play a little bit, Yeah, just a little.

Speaker 1 (01:34:30):
I wonder if there was some sort of they weren't
on the same page, like maybe May thought he was.

Speaker 5 (01:34:34):
Maybe shoes, and I don't know that happens to the
best of us. Uh, but I have to say I
am surprised overall. I mean, the emails continue to come in,
and it's just that people are already so quickly ready
to just be like, nope, Jake's not the guy.

Speaker 9 (01:34:50):
I don't know why.

Speaker 1 (01:34:51):
I don't know why you surprised these people.

Speaker 15 (01:34:53):
This is what we do.

Speaker 5 (01:34:55):
This is uh, this is Jacob in Rochester. He will
be propose the name change to the team, to the
no end zone punts. Looks like they have a lot
of work to do just to beat another team that
only won four games last year. I not a lot
of positivity in the emails and the callers that are
coming in.

Speaker 1 (01:35:10):
How many games Patriots last year?

Speaker 9 (01:35:12):
One game? So yeah, Kwani, I mean, let's let's hear
from you.

Speaker 6 (01:35:16):
I mean first game. Yeah, you know, you've got a
whole season ahead of you. What's your outlook?

Speaker 23 (01:35:22):
What?

Speaker 3 (01:35:23):
I like the positivity? I understand the frustration, and they're
all warranted, but I think that's it's a learning curve.
It's a very young team. I think people are forgetting
Also a lot of rookies on this team, and they're
gonna Yeah, they're gonna need to figure out what NFL
reps look like. They're still used to college well, and
I don't count preseason because it's not the same kind
of rep. So just give them time.

Speaker 5 (01:35:44):
I think the thing that's hard too is that, you
know a lot of these games are coin flips, and
and I mean it was it's still a winnable game today.
I mean, I know that didn't really look like it
down the stretch and they weren't gonna win the game.
But still looking back on this as a game probably
at the end of the season, and you're like, well,
if you play better, and you know you might have
had you might have had more of a chance in it.
So each one of these games that slips away, you know,

(01:36:05):
these are the ones you're going to be lamenting if
you're lucky enough to get into the playoff conversation, which
you know, we'll see if they're eventually.

Speaker 1 (01:36:11):
Able to get to that point. The point that that
Fred and I make all the time. It's like, you know, oh,
we have the Raiders and then we have the Dolphins,
and we have the Browns and the Titans, and everybody's
like win, win, and they're like oh we have, you're
probably going to have twelve of those and if things
go well, you probably go six and six in those games. Like,
you can't expect a four win team to just take

(01:36:35):
every team that's like them and say they're going to win.
You know, my boy Felger loves to say they're favorite
in eleven games. Are you picking them to win all
eleven of those games? You think they're going eleven and
zero in the games that they're favored in, because I
don't right that way, and that's already oh and one
and games that you're favored in. It's it's just hard,
like there's not that much difference between most of the

(01:36:57):
teams in the league. There are the Baltimore's and the
Buffalo and you know, the Philadelphias, and then there's kind
of everybody else that's in a you know, if it's
a good day for you, you can win today, and
if it's a bad day, like it wasn't the second
half today, you're probably gonna lose.

Speaker 11 (01:37:10):
With a September trip to Miami on tap.

Speaker 1 (01:37:13):
I mean, talk about two bad teams, Miami get blistered today.

Speaker 9 (01:37:18):
They weren't.

Speaker 1 (01:37:18):
I mean, they were as competitive as the Patriots were.

Speaker 6 (01:37:21):
And you made a good point. Usually Miami comes out
fast on offense. Yeah, So what does it say about.

Speaker 1 (01:37:27):
If McDaniel doesn't have something up his sleeve to start
the season, he's not gonna find it, right, He usually
doesn't find it.

Speaker 5 (01:37:33):
Here's an interesting stat via friend Alex Barth. Today was
the Patriots twenty fourth home loss since the start of
the twenty twenty one season, the most in the NFL
in that span.

Speaker 9 (01:37:45):
That's surprising things I believe there.

Speaker 1 (01:37:49):
I believe there's sixteen and twenty seven at home since Brady.

Speaker 9 (01:37:51):
Left something along all that's stings.

Speaker 1 (01:37:54):
Why, I just don't.

Speaker 5 (01:37:55):
I mean, there's one thing to have great player, but
just to be that bad at home, it's a lot.
There was one more that that Barth had as well.

Speaker 1 (01:38:04):
Shoot, I'm looking for it. I guess he's sorry. Oh,
here it is.

Speaker 5 (01:38:07):
It was also the fifteenth one possession loss since the
start of the twenty twenty.

Speaker 9 (01:38:12):
Three so that happened.

Speaker 1 (01:38:13):
What does that feel like?

Speaker 11 (01:38:14):
Did today feel like a one possession game? I was
gonna jump in on that earlier.

Speaker 1 (01:38:17):
It was.

Speaker 9 (01:38:18):
If you look at the NFL, most games are one possession.

Speaker 1 (01:38:21):
There are there are one possession games in there or
that right, that was one of them.

Speaker 5 (01:38:26):
But the Patriots do have the most such losses in
that span over the last season plus.

Speaker 1 (01:38:31):
So historical.

Speaker 5 (01:38:32):
Thank you Alex Barth for a little bit of context.
And I mean, but Paul, that was your thing. You
thought that the home field was going to make a difference.

Speaker 1 (01:38:39):
To me, I thought that would push him over the top.
Now that can go the other way too. And you know,
you're listening to the emailers and the callers and they're
all saying, like, it's what is different. It's the same
stuff we've been watching, the same stuff. That attitude is
probably permeating from the crowd too when stuff starts to
go wrong. It's almost like, you know, we always say
the Knicks, the Knicks in a big game. That crow

(01:39:00):
can be electric both ways. It can help the Knicks
when the Knicks are playing well. When they don't, it
can become a real hindrance. And I wonder if the
Jewet Stadium crowd right now is sort of waiting for
something bad to happen. They should be.

Speaker 5 (01:39:13):
They've lost more games here than anybody in the last
four years.

Speaker 1 (01:39:16):
But I hear you, but that's like, that's what you
wanted my congratulations. You know, that's he was tired of
twelve and four.

Speaker 9 (01:39:24):
Every year he got what he wanted.

Speaker 1 (01:39:25):
I'm tired of.

Speaker 9 (01:39:28):
Brought the car. Now, what are you going to do?

Speaker 5 (01:39:30):
Can we go back to that I'm tired of for well,
I want to go back to.

Speaker 1 (01:39:32):
The twelve four.

Speaker 9 (01:39:34):
Brady might have been kind of good.

Speaker 1 (01:39:37):
And I'm not ready. I'm not ready to say that's
just yes.

Speaker 5 (01:39:39):
I mean he does own the rad by the.

Speaker 9 (01:39:41):
Way game he was calling again.

Speaker 1 (01:39:46):
That's what I thought. It was being facetious the pre game,
very gullible.

Speaker 5 (01:39:52):
So guys, we have about seven minutes left. I just
want to say, what's what's next for the Patriots team here?
What do you do with Miami house a whole?

Speaker 6 (01:40:00):
We know that, What do the meeting rooms look like like?
If what does a vrabel post loss week look like?

Speaker 11 (01:40:07):
I think they're going to be pissed.

Speaker 7 (01:40:09):
Yeah, I think they're gonna be pissed because I think
that there's an opportunity here today. And it's not that
they squandered the opportunity, but I think it was a
missed opportunity. You know, Riders played all right, you know,
but they were definitely there to be taken in the
first half and they came out and they didn't show
in the second half. Your Matt's got to be terrible,

(01:40:29):
and you heard it from Mike. I think that was
terribly frustrating.

Speaker 3 (01:40:32):
To your question, then then who gets to blame in
those meetings.

Speaker 6 (01:40:36):
I don't think it's going to be like one blame.
I think it's just going to be room accountability. Every
room is gonna like like I said, I think each
room needs to really have some comp to Jesus this
week and take accountability, because.

Speaker 9 (01:40:53):
You really can't say in this game, well, the line.

Speaker 6 (01:40:55):
Played well, or you know, the receivers played well, or
you know played well, or you know, like it was
all around like so, and that's the way you have
to treat it.

Speaker 9 (01:41:05):
We all need to get better.

Speaker 11 (01:41:07):
Yeah, you know, don't you think that that will be
the message?

Speaker 6 (01:41:10):
Yeah? Absolutely, I mean usually, I mean if this isn't
any different than a polo check team or anything else,
you know, we win and lose as a team.

Speaker 9 (01:41:19):
It wasn't anyone play.

Speaker 6 (01:41:21):
It was a series of just you know, poor plays
at critical times, and that's the difference.

Speaker 9 (01:41:28):
In the NFL.

Speaker 1 (01:41:30):
What do you think needs to change next week?

Speaker 9 (01:41:33):
What needs to change.

Speaker 6 (01:41:35):
Like I said, like I almost tempted to say, Josh,
just have a game plan where you just say, from
the get go, we're going to pass the hell out
of the ball.

Speaker 9 (01:41:42):
That's how we're going to win this game. We need
to get better.

Speaker 6 (01:41:48):
Passing the ball because until we do that, no one's
going to respect our run.

Speaker 9 (01:41:53):
You know, they're gonna just they.

Speaker 1 (01:41:54):
They need to get I agree with you larger thought,
but they just need to get better at everything offensive
they do. But you need to run the ball better,
they need to pass protect better, they need to throw
it better.

Speaker 6 (01:42:03):
But I just feel like if they try to, if
they try to even it out, they're not going to
string enough plays together where you know you're going to.

Speaker 9 (01:42:11):
Get that rhythm.

Speaker 6 (01:42:12):
So like, just keep trying the pass, keep trying the
pass until you start having success, and then you put
the run in. And now the defense is on their heels.
Right now, they're on their toes and they're going forward.
They're crashing because they don't have to worry about what's
behind them.

Speaker 1 (01:42:33):
That would be my one thing I agree with Fred,
Like shoot mccollins down the field, Shoot Kashan Booty down
the field. See if you can make it.

Speaker 9 (01:42:40):
So you have a three and out, then you tell
your defense we need you.

Speaker 1 (01:42:44):
I'd rather have a three and out by missing on
a bomb than have a three and out because they're
squatting on an out route on Kaishawan Booty in the
third quarter where the guy is running the route for
him number thirty six, knocking the pass away. You know,
try something different, Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:43:01):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:43:02):
How do you feel about Miami overall?

Speaker 3 (01:43:04):
Though?

Speaker 5 (01:43:04):
I mean this is Tua Tungo Biloa said that.

Speaker 1 (01:43:08):
Can go one of two ways for Miami. I mean
that's a beat down today by a you know, you
talk about a team. I mean, I know people think
the Cults stink. It shows you that just in the league,
like I think they won seven last year. I think
they went seven to ten. They're not very good, but
they looked like they were pretty good today. I mean,

(01:43:29):
they man handled the Dophins.

Speaker 5 (01:43:31):
Gonzo back next week, and I don't have a lot
of confidence that.

Speaker 1 (01:43:35):
Would he still has.

Speaker 6 (01:43:36):
It's not like he started practicing towards the end of
the week. He still hasn't practiced.

Speaker 5 (01:43:40):
So you need you need him to get back out
there and then we'll have a questionable week where he plays,
but probably not, and then maybe.

Speaker 9 (01:43:46):
It's tough for him.

Speaker 6 (01:43:47):
See, this is the dilemma of being a coach. So
your best player hasn't played. Meanwhile, I got a game
to get ready. I can't spend the week getting you
ready for a game two weeks from now. The reps
have to go to the guys that are gonna play.

Speaker 16 (01:44:02):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:44:03):
Yeah, I'm not saying that he won't play, because he
could play, but I'm with Fred. I mean, I don't
feel great about it in light of the fact that
he hasn't practiced in six weeks.

Speaker 5 (01:44:12):
Well, at the very least, he's got to be out
there Wednesday, right, Like that's is that.

Speaker 11 (01:44:16):
Heaton community good for a soft tissue?

Speaker 9 (01:44:19):
The reason it should be, Yes, you're dehydrated, but you.

Speaker 1 (01:44:22):
Know, I'm just looking at you know, and obviously they
had a disaster. I mean two or three fo one
hundred and fourteen yards in that game today with two picks,
but four catches for Tyreek Hill, four catches for Jaylen Waddle.
So you want to talk about how what are you
doing in the meeting rooms? What? You know what, Mike
McDaniel's got to look at that and say, we need
to get the ball in the hands of our playmakers,
and I wouldn't be surprised if that's the focal point.

(01:44:42):
And if Christian Gonzalez isn't fully healthy and he's chasing
one of those guys around, that could be a problem.

Speaker 6 (01:44:50):
Yeah, I I I don't know. I don't think he's
gonna play. I don't I'm not counting on him, Let's
put it that way.

Speaker 9 (01:44:56):
He's not on my mental rate.

Speaker 1 (01:44:57):
I think he probably will play, but I'm not count
on him.

Speaker 9 (01:45:00):
Yeah, he's not on my mental radar for this game.

Speaker 1 (01:45:03):
How do you approach wattle On Hill if you don't
have a lot of bracket zones? But that's what Tour
kind of likes that.

Speaker 9 (01:45:10):
I don't know. I look at what happened today with
the Colts and said, what did they do?

Speaker 1 (01:45:13):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:45:14):
Do you think it's I mean, Mike Rabel's played plenty
of games in Miami, and I think anybody who knows
this organization knows what that means going down to Miami
to play. Do you think that that could be a
positive thing for them to kind of circle the wagons
a little bit, get out of Dodge, go on a
road trip and have to play somewhere where all week
everyone's going to be telling them about Miami. You can't
be too and you haven't you know, you've won in
Miami three times in the last twenty years or whatever

(01:45:35):
it is. You know, is that Do you think that
that's a favorable situation. I don't know about the matchup itself,
but just the situation.

Speaker 9 (01:45:42):
What do you think a win in Miami would do
for this fan base?

Speaker 3 (01:45:44):
I mean, it would reinvigorate them.

Speaker 9 (01:45:47):
Yeah, it's the medicine that you need right now.

Speaker 3 (01:45:50):
And also it's just very telling that Daniel Jones, like
I don't know, I was just shocked that that was She's.

Speaker 1 (01:45:56):
A Giants fan.

Speaker 9 (01:45:57):
I know, two for.

Speaker 1 (01:46:02):
A touchdown and he ran for two touchdowns. Sometimes it
doesn't always work on the first stuff that any.

Speaker 3 (01:46:06):
Done, Anything's possible. I've heard that before.

Speaker 5 (01:46:09):
Yeah, all right, well, guys, I wish I could say
it was more fun, but it was fun.

Speaker 3 (01:46:13):
It'll be more fun next.

Speaker 5 (01:46:14):
Yeah, you're gonna be in the host chair next week.
So thanks for coming, thanks for having Matt, for coming in.

Speaker 3 (01:46:20):
Everybody and I go quickly, we need to do better
next week.

Speaker 1 (01:46:22):
Yeah, yeah, we need that. We're working on it.

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Well, Hey, Pats fans, Game day is almost here. Next
week it'll be here almost here, so stock up now.
Grab a refreshing Pepsi zero sugar twelve pack now, because
tailgating deserves Pepsi. That's gonna do it for the Patriots
postgame Show presented by DraftKings, and we'll be right back
here next week with the pregame show again. New start
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be back here so we'll see if the Patriots can
balance back next week in Miami and pick up their
first win in the season.

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Hey, this is Evan. Thanks for tuning into the show.

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