Patriots Unfiltered 10/1: Bills Preview, Vrabel Presser and Reaction, Locker Room/Team Updates

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Speaker 1 (00:27):
Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
We might have taken the best quarterback out of the
bunch a couple of years ago.

Speaker 3 (00:35):
Paul, you're not telling me things that I haven't said
in the past.

Speaker 4 (00:39):
You have all these different elements. You know, they're running
like they ran counter bash in this.

Speaker 1 (00:42):
Game, which I say, you're gonna drop a counter back.

Speaker 4 (00:44):
They were not running counter bash in twenty eighteen with
Tom Brady, Like that's not that's not that elements of
the offense they.

Speaker 3 (00:52):
Ran some counters in some bashes, but they didn't run
any counter bash.

Speaker 4 (00:56):
Okay, Like Kyle Williams is not gonna he's not going
to be digging out the nickel.

Speaker 3 (00:59):
Paul, power power what do you call me? Power slots?

Speaker 4 (01:04):
Power slot? Yeah, he was. He was a little bit
more of that.

Speaker 3 (01:06):
And he has a name for every power spots.

Speaker 2 (01:09):
Power Freshing was the theme this offense set up and
play very was very refreshing.

Speaker 3 (01:14):
I think I needed a Shower.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
Evan impersonation to set the scene. The Patriots are in
fifty four personnel, five running backs, four.

Speaker 4 (01:21):
Tight ends doesn't even exist.

Speaker 2 (01:23):
Kyle william eves in motion and effectively acts as the
backside sniffer.

Speaker 4 (01:27):
It's not the right thing.

Speaker 2 (01:28):
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Speaker 2 (01:37):
All right, welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. It is Wednesday here
at Less Stadium, and uh boy, I don't know how
we're gonna uh do this show on the heels of
that Catch twenty two episode.

Speaker 1 (01:51):
They were going hard.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
It was some epic episode you had there. I had
to take every power.

Speaker 1 (01:55):
You look tired.

Speaker 2 (01:57):
I'm just.

Speaker 4 (01:59):
I really just kind of that was like I played
in the game, you know. Yeah, it was great.

Speaker 2 (02:04):
God all right, but well, we're gonna try. It's Evan,
it's Paul, it's me, it's Deuce, it's Alex and Matt
and the booth. And it's turned the page day here
at Patriots Unfiltered. So we're gonna be turning mostly our
attention to the Buffalo Bills Sunday night matchup. Can't wait.
We'll have Mike Rabel At about twelve fifty five. It

(02:25):
has become the Wednesday. Custom Yep. Here, there's always something
that comes out of that. So definitely worth going to live.
So we'll do that when he's ready to go.

Speaker 1 (02:38):
Other than that, like, what do we got a little
bit of breaking news right now?

Speaker 5 (02:44):
Marcus Jones has won the AFC Special Teams Player of
the Week. This is the second time in four weeks
the Patriots have won that award, with time in three
weeks time three weeks with Antonio Gibson winning it down
there in Miami for his kickoff return.

Speaker 1 (02:57):
So congratulations to Marcus Jones for this big day.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
Jeremy Springer up for a raise, Well, I don't know
about that, Okay, Well, but let's see how it looks
in December.

Speaker 3 (03:07):
First, Okay, can go a game without two penalties?

Speaker 1 (03:10):
Yeah right, but no, that's it.

Speaker 5 (03:13):
Look, they're a little bit up and down, but overall
I think they've been they've been pretty good, and they've
gotten a.

Speaker 3 (03:18):
Lift from the return.

Speaker 6 (03:18):
You know.

Speaker 5 (03:19):
I I'd like to see borog Alice, you know, continue
to make his kicks and he'll be challenged this week
up in Buffalo for him, probably a little bit of yeah, check.

Speaker 1 (03:26):
The weather, yeah, check the weather real quick.

Speaker 2 (03:28):
Yeah, let's but the weather is for Sunday night. Orchard Park. Yeah,
now Orchard Park. Don't do Buffalo. Okay, do Orchard Park
because that's very I got you.

Speaker 1 (03:37):
I got you, yeah, because you got the it's coming
off the lake right.

Speaker 2 (03:40):
Well, so is Buffalo, but it's a little bit for
I think Orchard Park's a little bit further in.

Speaker 3 (03:45):
Oh bright, no getting lake effects, no worries.

Speaker 1 (03:48):
Gorgeous, gorgeous, just you know.

Speaker 4 (03:50):
Middle windy, windy, little windy. Uh let's it's always windy
and check the wind.

Speaker 1 (03:55):
That doesn't look too bad. Actually I'm three to seven
miles per hour, but it does, say gus up to nineteen.

Speaker 2 (04:00):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (04:00):
Their new stadium is not going to have They're actually
designing it to not have win be a factor in
the new Bills Stadium, which I think is surprising because
you know, it's always been even obviously the twenty twenty
one game is the big one, but it's all there's
always been wind impacted games.

Speaker 1 (04:18):
Was that a nine game?

Speaker 6 (04:19):
Was that?

Speaker 1 (04:20):
Or was it a castle game?

Speaker 5 (04:21):
Castle right, where like the uprights like sideways were literally
taking left and right turn.

Speaker 3 (04:28):
The heat benches on the sideline were blowing onto the game.
It was that was significant.

Speaker 2 (04:34):
Yeah, And of course we had that win game with
Mac Jones where I think BZ or one of the
networks had to cancel their pregame show or bring it
somewhere else because the like pulse of the chairs that
they were sitting on were blowing onto the field and
you just couldn't you couldn't do a pregame show from

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the field. It was so windy. It would never stop.

Speaker 3 (04:57):
Bust stop, stop me.

Speaker 4 (05:00):
No, it was that was devastating lead bad weather.

Speaker 2 (05:03):
Yep, so yep. A lot of miss kicks in Buffalo
over the years.

Speaker 1 (05:07):
Yeah, yeah, it doesn't look like too much of a
factor this week, hopefully.

Speaker 5 (05:11):
But I mean, just diving in the Bills we touched
a little bit on yesterday, I mean, just what an
impressive team. So many little stat nuggets here as you
start to dig into what they do and where their
rankings are and all that kind of stuff. But just
I mean, I think Josh Allen is putting together another
MVP type season right now. I mean, and you just
watch him, and he's playing with all the confidence in
the world. Really respect how they've put their team together.

(05:33):
They had digs there, they got away from that iteration
and now this one is, you know, starting to really
really produce for them, so a lot of problems. Watched
a little bit of last year's game, which I recalled
i think one playoff when they went up there December
with Drake May throwing that touchdown past the booty. You
probably remember that one, Paul, right, That's about all I
remember from that game.

Speaker 4 (05:54):
Which they had fourteen to nothing lead in that gay yah.

Speaker 5 (05:57):
They had a fourteen to nothing lead but some turnover
and uh but I found that a little bit encouraging
at least that you know, you look back in retrospect,
and I'm sure I probably said it.

Speaker 1 (06:05):
I say it all the time.

Speaker 5 (06:06):
It's great to just get the kid experience on the
road in a stadium where he's.

Speaker 1 (06:10):
Going to have to play.

Speaker 5 (06:11):
So you've already played there when it's freezing and tough conditions.
Now he's going to get a chance to go back
up there, and I think you should have a little
bit of confidence.

Speaker 1 (06:18):
There was you know, Romandre fumble.

Speaker 5 (06:20):
There was also a later roal behind the line of
scrimmage they recovered in the end zone for a touchdown,
and that's how Buffalo kind of comayah. But one of
those games I would say where it didn't seem like
Buffalo was too excited or too interested in playing the
three and eleven Patriots. It was the eleven and three
Bills versus three and eleven Patriots, and Patriots came out
to a lead, but the Bills do what they do.

(06:40):
They just kept chipping it away. James Cook had a
long touchdown run. So I'm talking about this game as
if it was the first time I ever saw it,
and that's kind of what it felt like, because they
all play together.

Speaker 1 (06:51):
Yeah, you're right, don't they.

Speaker 3 (06:52):
I mean, like the last couple of years, like these games.
This is I was reading Mike Giardi today on the
Boston Sports Journal and he just not in depth at
all about this Buffalo game, but saying it's the biggest
game that the Patriots have probably had in a couple
of seasons. And depending on what game you want to identify,

(07:12):
you probably go back to, like he went back to
Thanksgiving in Minnesota. That was it twenty two? Yeah, yeah,
when they Henry Yes, yeah, the contested touchdown that the
Patriots got screwed on that call at the goal line,
no surprise. Fred remembers when they get screwed. I remember that,

(07:32):
but yeah, that you know, that was a game that
sort of, you know, had the Patriots won that game,
maybe they you know, the stretch drive of that season
unfolds a little bit differently. But they really haven't had
any what you would call significant games since.

Speaker 7 (07:47):
Now.

Speaker 5 (07:47):
That makes me feel better because that's exactly the thought
process I was going through is watching this game and
I'm like, how can I am I getting into the
Paul Perillo territory? I like, you won't ask me about
that three AFC championship against the Colts, Like, yeah, I
can tell you all about it. But last year in
December a game that you know didn't even happen like
eight months ago, Like what was that?

Speaker 2 (08:05):
Again? What happened?

Speaker 5 (08:06):
But they're doing me right the struggles though, but right
the struggle games where there's not a lot to be
excited about or you know, coming out of it.

Speaker 2 (08:14):
But yeah, I don't think positive which are much different
over the last few years. I try to erase them
from my memory.

Speaker 3 (08:21):
Yes, I think that's part of the reason why we
have a hard time is because they just they're all
so irrelevant, right, you know, when you go four and
thirteen consecutive seasons. None of the games were really you
know right important?

Speaker 2 (08:34):
Yeap, So what do we want to tackle?

Speaker 5 (08:37):
Uh, like James Cook, because you can't tackle those guys.

Speaker 3 (08:42):
Get to know, you tackle an opportunity here though, you know,
there's been some some talk like they're two and two
and they've made some strides to get out of the
lower tier, you know, closer to one of the middle tiers. Right,
So you have an opportunity in the National Spotlight Sunday night,

(09:04):
and I know Mike Rabel's really excited about it. You
know from some of the stuff that we put out.
This is an opportunity to sort of take a step forward.
And if you want to be in the playoff chase,
these are the kinds of games that you you need
to win. These are the kinds of games you need
to go on the road and and put your best
foot forward. So, I what are you going to tackle this?

(09:27):
They got to tackle an opportunity to say we're going
to be one of those teams, not one of the
teams that we've been the last couple of years, We're
going to be one of the contenders.

Speaker 4 (09:36):
Yeah, I wanted to ask you guys about you know,
I know the game was here, but the one game
against the Rams in the regular season, because I feel
like that game always gets talked about as like the
night we knew that they were going to be show
and they didn't win. They really like kind of backdoored
into even making it a one score game. But they

(09:58):
would hung with the Rams. They had a lead in
the first half. Like, is that that game in my
off base? Because I was that was true.

Speaker 2 (10:09):
So from a physicality standpoint, they definitely won that game.
They didn't on the scoreboard obviously, but like you said,
they hung with these the greatest show on turf.

Speaker 3 (10:19):
It was the opposite of what you would think, like
the teams that's trying to pull the upsets and finish, no,
But the team that's trying to pull the upset, you
would think, well, they need everything to go right and
the other team needs to play poorly. It was the opposite.
The Patriots made all the mistakes, they turned the ball over,
and they had only themselves to blame at the end
of the game. And I don't know what else you're
going to say, Well, now, in retrospect, apologize.

Speaker 2 (10:41):
In retrospect, we know now how talented that team actually
was especially you know, I don't think we appreciated it
at the time as we were coming off such a
dismal season beforehand. And I don't think this team is
quite as talented as that team was. That that team
never lost again.

Speaker 1 (11:00):
Had the greatest quarterback of all time and two Hall
of Famers on team.

Speaker 2 (11:02):
So even if you win this game, I'm not sure
that we can approach what they did in O one,
but it would definitely be a barometer of Okay, this team,
you know, is finding out how to win.

Speaker 4 (11:15):
Yeah, that's that was why I brought it up. You know,
obviously the caveat they're not going to win nine straight
games and win the Super Bowl if they beat Buffalo.
Everybody kind of knows that. But that game was a
game that they started to believe, like, they started to
believe that they had the talent and they had the
ability to hang with the elite teams in the NFL.
So all I'm hoping for out of this game on

(11:37):
Sunday Night is like, can you just hang with Buffalo
and truly for four quarters? Like make the Bills sweat
it out a little bit and really push them a
little bit in this game. And I think you can
have a moral moral victory in a game like this,
where if you do that and now you go into
the next week and you have New Orleans and Cleveland
and Tennessee and some of the easier soft spots of

(11:58):
the schedule, you you could really have some momentum even
if you don't actually pull it off.

Speaker 2 (12:04):
So I remember, I don't know how many years it
was ago. A couple of years ago, the whole moral
victory became a topic and moral loss. People were being
made fun of for saying, oh, that was a moral victory.
If we say, if it comes true what Evan's saying,
that they hang and it's a close game, but they

(12:24):
end up losing, and it's called a moral victory, will
it have the same Will people be made fun of
this year for saying that.

Speaker 5 (12:31):
I would say, if they go toe to toe with
them offensively and they put points up on the board
and they you know, they score, Patriots score, they score
paid you know that kind of game. You know, if
the Bills are up big and then they have a
couple fourth quarter garbage time drives to make it.

Speaker 1 (12:45):
Look closer than you know.

Speaker 5 (12:46):
It's like Paul always says, you got to see it,
but I just don't want to set it up to
be that. I think that this team has a chance
to go up there and make some noise. And you know,
from talking to ev speaking with some of the Buffalo guys,
it doesn't sound like Buffalo's going to take the Patriots lightly.
I think that they have been you know, they're aware
of Drake may playing pretty well right now. And I
don't think that Buffalo is going to do what they
did last week against the Saints as much.

Speaker 1 (13:07):
I mean, it's a divisional game.

Speaker 3 (13:08):
Might makes a good point about seeing how the game unfolds,
but I don't love the you know, the sort of
the idea of a moral victory. But I think you
absolutely can have a situation like the one that Fred
brought up in the postgame show in oh one that
Evan just brought back. Yes, I'm sure that they didn't

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look at it as a moral victory at the time,
but more importantly, what did it mean to the players
and what did the players think to themselves, Like, Yeah,
this is the best team in the league and they
weren't any better than us. We can play with them.
So I think that that does give you confidence. And
where Fred and I started to talk about this on
the postgame show. Is what you just mentioned, Ev, It's

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New Orleans, Tennessee, Cleveland. Well, if you do get the
infusion of confidence that comes with going toe to toe
with a buffalo, need to take care of business in
those three games.

Speaker 2 (14:02):
Yah, it's not enough.

Speaker 3 (14:04):
You know, one thing is remembered so fondly because they
want not just because not just because they won the
Super Bowl, but they then went on and won these
games against teams that they should have beaten.

Speaker 2 (14:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (14:15):
So the Patriots need to do the same thing in
order to get a moral victory out of there.

Speaker 2 (14:20):
And you know when we talk about moral victory and
how it will mean to the players after that Pittsburgh game,
remember I said, it's the kind of I want to
get out there again, you know, like we can do this.
And I think if we have that moral victory against
the Bills, players might feel that way like we should.
We could have won that game. I can't wait till

(14:41):
Sunday so we can go out against you know, another
team and really show who we are.

Speaker 6 (14:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (14:47):
I almost felt like that in this last game, even
though it was you know, blow out.

Speaker 5 (14:50):
Like I think at halftime, I wanted to be like,
can we just fast forward and keep this rolling to
the next week, you know, like just keep saying some
of these points for the Bills, save.

Speaker 1 (14:57):
It for the Bills.

Speaker 5 (14:58):
But it's a it's a big challenge, and I you
know what, but I still give the Patriots of a
punchers chance.

Speaker 1 (15:03):
It's the NFL.

Speaker 5 (15:03):
Sure, it's certainly not the It's not quite as overwhelming
as it's been in a couple of years where you
feel like you have some players like Williams and Barmore
who are gonna cause some problems. But I mean, Josh
Allen's the least pressured quarterback in the league. So you know,
there's there's a lot of really interesting things about this.

Speaker 2 (15:21):
You think that's because teams are afraid to sell out
against him.

Speaker 6 (15:25):
I think so.

Speaker 4 (15:26):
And we were talking about this on catch twenty two.
At the end of catch twenty two. One of the
things that I've been thinking about in terms of, you know,
defending the Bills offense, Teams are are just backing off
of this Bill's offense, and the Bills are just killing
them in yards after the catch, Like they're averaging seven
yards after the catch. Perceptions Number one in the league,

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So they're just racking up these exposive plays on catch
and run, dump off passes, screens, like because guys are
giving them eight yards of cushion, you know, before the
ball is even snapped. Because nobody wants to get into
playground football against Josh Allen where he's got man to
man coverage and everybody's back is to the quarterback and
he's just running around. But I get that that can

(16:10):
be risky. But at the same time, if you win
some rounds playing him that way, where you might get
some negative plays by sacking him, or you might get
a turnover to by him getting a little bit too
aggressive and trying to throw a ball that he really
shouldn't throw, then maybe you can steal some possessions that
way and give yourself a chance. These teams that are

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backing off, like Allen's just dicing them up, like he's
literally just dicing them up underneath their run game is
incredibly efficient. Yeah, Like it's just not there's no resistance
and he's evolved so much that he's just taking profits,
Like he's not pushing it into windows. He shouldn't push
it into anymore. So it's risky, Like there's definitely kind

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of like Week one, there could be some boom or
bust to it if they do get aggressive against him.
But yeah, have Gonzo back, like you have the cornerbacks
on the outside to technically hang with them. I just
wonder if they try it a little bit in this
game because everybody else, you know, we were talking about
how kind of like the Dynasty Patriots, everybody would be
afraid and they would do stupid things, trying out smart

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themselves to try to do things. And like, I feel
like this Bills team, everybody is just playing cover two,
Like we're all just let's get back, let's sit and
stare at Josh.

Speaker 2 (17:26):
So whatever the game plan is on defense this year
for the pay this week for the Patriots, is that
Zach kor is that Rabel? Really?

Speaker 4 (17:35):
Probably it's probably collaboratory.

Speaker 2 (17:38):
You know who says, you know what, we're going to
be aggressible.

Speaker 4 (17:41):
Well, I think like you know, Scott Booker and Rabel
and they get together do the past game, and then
Zach Kerr and maybe the defensive line coach they get
together do run game. Then they all come together and
they do a third down in red zone.

Speaker 5 (17:52):
And so it's like a collaborative who overall says this
is the style of defense, sets the tone and says, look,
you know, this is how we want to play like you,
using terms like aggressive and you know, and then the
assistant coaches go off, put the game, cling together, and
then I think varybel overseas and says, all right, I
like this, We're gonna, you know, have.

Speaker 1 (18:09):
Put these blitzes in. You know, we got them with
stuff like this in the past, those kind of things.
All right, my impression of it. But okay, yeah, just
one not on the inside.

Speaker 4 (18:17):
So do you not the coordinator though?

Speaker 3 (18:20):
No, But do you think that they might be better
suited because of the improvement up front to maybe be
a little more aggressive.

Speaker 6 (18:26):
Yes, they have been.

Speaker 2 (18:27):
I think you combine that with, as Evan said, your
two corners. I think that allows you to take more chances,
or it should allow you to take more chance.

Speaker 4 (18:36):
Yeah, I mean, like duce just right off the stat
Josh Allen's the least pressured quarterback in the league. I
don't think that that's just because they're offensive line, which
is really good. But I don't think that that's just
because their offensive line is dominant. I think that's also
because everybody's just rushing four against him because they're terrified
to blitz them. Yeah, and I just I don't know
if that again, Like I think that, yeah, maybe you

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could hold him to like thirty one if you play
that way, because they do have to go on longer drives.
But they're just sucking the life out of teams.

Speaker 2 (19:03):
If I'm vayble, I'm saying to my team defensively, we're
not gonna tiptoe into this game. We're gonna we're gonna
knock down doors. But I wonder and if we start
getting burned, we'll make adjustments in the second half. But
we're gonna go out to disrupt this team and we're
gonna play really aggressive that first half.

Speaker 3 (19:23):
Right, But I'm just wondering what the best way to
be aggressive is. If I know, the first four games
they haven't played a team like Buffalo, But you know,
can Williams, Barmore and Landry Can those guys affect Josh
Allen in this game and allow you to keep guys
back in coverage. It's not necessarily you don't have to
back off, like you can be more aggressive in your coverage,

(19:45):
Like I think what Evan's saying about giving them a
little too much respect might be accurate, but some of
these teams might not be able to get the pressure
with four by playing with coverage. I think the Patriots
have shown at times, not consistently, but at times they
can get pressure with four. Yeah, but so can you
do that? That to me is very aggressive If you
can get after Josh Allen. Some teams don't.

Speaker 2 (20:06):
But see, I'm not just talking about when he drops back.
I'm talking about loading the box early and trying to
stop Cooks early and relying on single coverage behind that.
I don't I don't like that putting an extra guy
up there and saying we're going to try to force
you into third and long.

Speaker 4 (20:24):
I'm with you, Fred, like, I don't like that. No,
I think everybody else has played them called the way
that you want them to play, Like, that's how I.

Speaker 3 (20:32):
Want to get after Josh Allen.

Speaker 4 (20:34):
Okay, but you can't get after him because if you
have everybody that's just dropping off into his own coverage
and staring at him like there's no pass rush.

Speaker 3 (20:41):
Doesn't that to well? I mean, I get you don't
want to do a lot of man again, I get it,
I get it.

Speaker 4 (20:46):
I think the biggest thing to me is like I
look at their offense and I look at their receivers,
and I'm not blown away by the talent at wide receiver.
So like you have these two corners that you pay
a lot of money to to go out there and
play man to man like let him eat, like you
get so Kean Coleman's gonna beat Carlton Davis, Like, I
don't think that now sheak Here's a problem, like Shaquires

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is a different because of the way they use him
as a problem. But like I just I feel good
about their corners holding up against the Bills receivers.

Speaker 2 (21:16):
I really do.

Speaker 3 (21:16):
But I don't see I don't think that I agree
with you on Coleman, but I think more of the
other guys than you do, and Kinkaid specifically, And I
I'm not sure that you can just ask everybody to
hold up and we're gonna put eight in the box
to make Like I just think that if you want
to do that, then they'll throw it on you. Yeah,
I think most teams are like Evan said that, they
don't they they'll.

Speaker 2 (21:36):
Use a creeper. Paul, No, you don't.

Speaker 3 (21:38):
You don't declare it so I think that James Cook
is really good good, but I think that that's what
the other team is giving them because it doesn't allow
you to get blown out right away. Yeah, sure, it
takes longer. So I agree. I think Belichick has done
that kind of defense millions of times in the past
with great success.

Speaker 4 (21:59):
I told you here what you're saying, and there's definitely
a case for that strategy. I just when you come
out in too high against this team. They're killing teams
in the run game, and they're killing teams in the
short passing game. And Brady, their offensive coordinator, is really
good at scheming ways to get Khalil secure in space,
and they motioned him all over the place and he's

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constantly moving where he's at.

Speaker 2 (22:22):
You have to make plays on defense. You can't rely
on them to make the mistake.

Speaker 4 (22:27):
That's this Bill's offense doesn't make mistakes anymore.

Speaker 1 (22:30):
You have tos. That's it right there.

Speaker 5 (22:33):
I mean, I I kind of I think I'm more
scared of the tight ends and Cook just because I
don't have a lot of you know, I'm still not
sure about the Patriots run defense.

Speaker 1 (22:43):
And you know, I agree with what Evan's saying.

Speaker 5 (22:45):
I can easily see, Yeah, we took their receivers out
of it, but they just killed us with the tight
ends because we couldn't cover the tight ends.

Speaker 3 (22:52):
And you know, I agree that none of these guys
individually scare me.

Speaker 1 (22:57):
But the group, right, damn, that's what's so good about
their team.

Speaker 5 (23:00):
And it's you know, it's almost I said to Evan,
I'm like, I almost feel like they have like five
number twos, you know, like it's like, maybe that's overstating
at a tiny bit, but everybody can make plays when
they have to. Nobody individually is going to blow you away,
and it's.

Speaker 1 (23:14):
Just how do they approach it?

Speaker 5 (23:15):
And I just think it's fair to point out one
more thing about the Patriots defense. It's spin the dial
with coverages. Like I mean, they just especially early on,
they play a lot of different stuff. So I you know,
as much as we sit here and say they should
do this or that, I have a feeling that it's
going to be a lot of stuff that they're going
to try to throw at him and try to you know,
every single coverage that there is, they're going to probably
try to run it at one point or another.

Speaker 1 (23:37):
But what's finding that that winning game plan. Can you
stop the run with those four guys?

Speaker 5 (23:41):
I mean, that's always appealing to me, being able to
just worry about the quarterback and the and the run
with the front four and the linebackers. But I just
I also, you know a couple of others I was
going through next Gen. You know, you come across like
random stats, but you know they they're first in the
league and inbreakers and second in slants.

Speaker 6 (23:56):
So it's.

Speaker 5 (23:58):
In the inside where the Patriots have had some trouble there.
So you know, it's just it's it's kind of pick
your poison and how do.

Speaker 1 (24:05):
You want to lose the game or how do you
want to win the game.

Speaker 4 (24:07):
And that's why I'd much rather lose the game the
Dalton Kincaid. Yeah, if Dalton Kinkaid and Jackson Hawes and
Dawson Knox beat you, then I think you as a Patriots,
you have to tip your cap and say that was
what we had to give you, Like, are you going
to give him cooking and chakir or are you going
to give him?

Speaker 1 (24:22):
I just feel like Josh Allen's beating you.

Speaker 3 (24:24):
I guess I look at it. I let Josh I
have my choice of letting Josh Allen beat me, James
Cook beat me, I'll let James Cook be Yeah, that.

Speaker 1 (24:31):
Seems like that's the choice teams are primarily making.

Speaker 5 (24:34):
But even when they're doing it both way, yes, I mean,
that's why they're trying to in both categories.

Speaker 4 (24:41):
So it just you know that that's my whole thing.
I know, I probably think a little less of kinkaid
than than other people do. Just not my not my
flavor of tight end. You know, the the jumbo receivers
just don't do it for me like like it does
for other people. But at the same time, it if
that's if he ends up having a big game against
them and that's the reason why they lose, Like at

(25:03):
least he went into the game and you took away
their two best options, which are Shakiir and Cook.

Speaker 5 (25:07):
Yeah, I mean it almost might be oversimplifying it, but
just like instead of all this tackle like to tackle
like that to me is a huge first step.

Speaker 3 (25:16):
Like what we were talking about yesterday, do you spy
Josh Allen? And I was like, it's great that you
had someone that knew he was going to run, because
that's someone get him onto the ground because that's hard.

Speaker 2 (25:26):
Yeah, jack jacket and arbas says to play an effective,
aggressive defensive game against the Bills, the Patriots should take
the approach the Lions took against Lamar Jackson. Rush aggressively
upfield on the edges. This will force Josh Allen to
move up in the pocket. Put a spy on Allen,
and have the defensive tackles play with gap discipline. When
Allen moves up in the pocket, the spy and the
defensive tackles tackle him. So he does sounds easy.

Speaker 4 (25:49):
He does run through the middle a lot, but he
when he goes, he's more dangerous when he extends to throw,
and he does extend to throw out of the back
of the pocket. So to Jackson point, like you have
to kind of pick your poison of like is he
going to run right through the gut of the defense
or do you want him to get on the edge
and start extending plays and looking for receivers down the field.

(26:12):
So he's you know, those are the kind of the
differences like when you run, when you cheat and kind
of have him go through the middle of the pocket.
He's not gonna throw like he's gonna take off. So
it depends on what you want to do. I mean,
New Orleans tried to do what Jack is saying and
then he ran for thirty freaking yards right up the
middle of the field and like like three tackles doing it.
So it's he's he's good. Like a tough matchup.

Speaker 2 (26:35):
Dave wants to know, is this the game to bring
back the Longhorn package. They didn't run that last school.
They ran it with school last year too. I don't
know if he's playing defense this year, but that was.

Speaker 4 (26:47):
What they and I would say, like that's the reason
why they win. I gonna Paul is going to just
be I would love that show to watch tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (26:56):
Do we now see a return of the blueberry uniforms
because of the success last week?

Speaker 4 (27:01):
Well, the Bills are wearing their ice whites, right, so
what they go good?

Speaker 1 (27:05):
I mean I like the contrast between all blue and
all bloy, so.

Speaker 3 (27:08):
All blue and right for it?

Speaker 2 (27:10):
Yeah? Sure?

Speaker 3 (27:11):
Yeah? And but you know that that that a whole
defensive thing that the Lions had, and they did they
because I watched a good chunk of that game, and
they did a good job of sort of making life
tough on Lamar Jackson. They still give up thirty, right, like,
it's just hard to take these offenses, and even when
you make them play left handed, they still find a

(27:31):
way because they're just so talented.

Speaker 2 (27:33):
Yeah they are.

Speaker 4 (27:33):
I think they're different animals.

Speaker 2 (27:34):
What's fun.

Speaker 3 (27:35):
They had a very different offense, yes, very quarterback, but
really the Ravens lost that game because of another fumble. Yeah,
I mean Derrick Henry. That was his third fumble in
three games.

Speaker 5 (27:44):
I've just been kind of savoring this game because there's
not a lot of like elite opponents this year on
the schedule, and to have an opponent like this where
it's just every stat you look through or everything, it's
just like, oh boy, oh boy, you know everything they
do well right now, and the Patriots got to figure
out a way to you know, just I think it's
about how the game unfolds.

Speaker 1 (28:01):
Even watching that game last year, you know, Drake HiT's
a big play.

Speaker 5 (28:04):
They you know, they make a couple of plays early
and suddenly it's kind of a close game. Now, Buffalo
pulled away at the end, but look those Patriots last
year and again they were three wins, so Buffalo might
not have been an amp for the game as they
will be this week. But you know, you just you
never know you're going with these game plans, like you're
playing in a bubble, and at the end of the day,
a couple of big plays early on changes the complexion
of the game. You're ready to go out of the

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gate for the first time kind of the season.

Speaker 2 (28:27):
I think it'd be a really possible from a betting
spot standpoint, is it better? Is it a better spot
for the Patriots to be going up against a four
and zero team that's kind of cruising or a team
that's two and two and feels that they're underachieving and
they're hungry.

Speaker 1 (28:41):
Yeah, I mean there's always an appeal to me, to
the to the young, hungry team that has something to prove.

Speaker 2 (28:45):
But I'm talking about like if the Bills came into
this game.

Speaker 3 (28:48):
At feel much better, if they were two and two, Yeah,
then they probably had some weaknesses that you can actually
talk about it.

Speaker 4 (28:54):
They also like last week was a very when I
was talking to the Bills guys last night, like it's
a very Dynasty Patriot thing. They won thirty one to nineteen,
but nobody thought they played well in the game, right,
So I don't think that the Bills are coming into
this game like they just won fifty to eleven Miami. Yeah,
so they they're they're the things that they were, you know,

(29:15):
a little bit worried about first of all, which I
was deuced was saying earlier. They will not say Drake
May's name. They are so afraid that the Patriots have
a quarterback again that they were like, let's talk about him.
And I was like, we talk, who are we talking about?
And they were talking about Drake. So they're terrified that
Drake May is good?

Speaker 2 (29:34):
Are these people you're talking?

Speaker 3 (29:35):
Oh yeah, no, they like literally just like people that
work for the Bills.

Speaker 4 (29:37):
No, no, oh no, but literally like he was volved
by that, Like they literally did not want to say
his name.

Speaker 2 (29:42):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (29:43):
Then their run defense, the Bills run defense has been
leaky to start the season.

Speaker 3 (29:49):
Like six yards of coach.

Speaker 4 (29:50):
Yeah, so it's yeah, so you so like to you know,
if you were looking for a weakness on the team,
it's their run defense. And they've been down a couple
guys on defense all over Matt Milano. We'll see if
those guys practice this week. But if the Patriots you know,
can attack that, we you know, if there is a
weakness to attack, it's that they don't stop.

Speaker 2 (30:09):
They're like every time we play the Bills, Matt Milano has.

Speaker 3 (30:12):
Something always heard.

Speaker 5 (30:13):
Yeah, it is period, you know, one one little interesting nugget.
I thought maybe only haven't I'll find this interesting. But
you know, last year, I remember them playing like they're
just all Nickel team all the time, and now they're
they've really jumped in base like they're playing a lot
more base now, from four percent to twenty.

Speaker 1 (30:25):
I don't know why that is.

Speaker 4 (30:27):
It's the most since like early on in mcdermot's coaching
tenure with the Bills. I think it was like eighteen
or nineteen was the last time they played this much
base defense. And they're doing that without Milana, who was
like their best linebacker.

Speaker 1 (30:39):
Well, you think they'd be better at run defense if
they're playing that, you know, instead of the Nickels.

Speaker 4 (30:43):
So I'd assume that's why they're playing so much bass,
because they can't stop the run.

Speaker 1 (30:47):
Yeah, yeah, makes sense.

Speaker 2 (30:49):
Okay, Well I'm I mean Sunday, and I can't get
here fast enough, right.

Speaker 5 (30:55):
No, I that's there's only you know, Look, I always
would get up for Patriots games, but you know, when
you're going on the road against the Big Boss, of
the AFC East.

Speaker 1 (31:03):
Call it what it is.

Speaker 5 (31:04):
It's, you know, a young team trying to prove themselves.
We've kind of been in the spot before. I mean
Paul talked about the last big game. I mean I
remember twenty twenty one being a big game before it
turned into you know, win nonsense, like then it was,
but the Patriots were streaking at that point. I mean
that was the height of the Mac Jones, Bill Belichick.
I mean really that was that was kind of the
last week of the bill bis season. Yeah, that those
games down the stretch were all big games. But it's

(31:27):
been a while.

Speaker 2 (31:28):
You know, if the Bills come up short again this year,
is Ara McDermott in trouble?

Speaker 3 (31:33):
So when when when? Uh, when Evan was talking about
they won't say May's name, I was immediately thinking Ara McDermott,
Like this was like an edict, we don't like. That's
why I was like radio talking to like the Yeah,
I lost interest.

Speaker 4 (31:49):
I really I really enjoy them. They're they're a great time.
We do it every year and they're they're they're great
cover one if you want, like the Bill's perspective.

Speaker 2 (32:00):
I haven't never met a phone interview. We didn't like.

Speaker 4 (32:02):
I just I love those I've been doing it every
year with them since eighteen nineteen.

Speaker 3 (32:06):
I thought this was teed up for Freddy, like Hiray
mcdermot's not allowing anyone to say, right, this is.

Speaker 2 (32:13):
Great, But listen, you are a Bill if you are
the Bills fans, you know you've finally now taken over
the AFC East. But could there be this emerging quarterback
on the Patriots where the pressure is even greater to
win now because pretty soon it's going to get competitive again.

(32:34):
That's right there.

Speaker 4 (32:35):
Patriots they hear the footsteps honestly, like they legitimately.

Speaker 2 (32:39):
Do, like who's hearing Bill's boys, Hill's mafia?

Speaker 3 (32:44):
They hear the propaganda?

Speaker 2 (32:46):
Are they just being nice to you?

Speaker 4 (32:49):
Fred I'm telling you we started the conversation, I know,
but he wouldn't say his name, and I was like, who,
I don't even know you're asking me a question. I
don't even know who you're talking about. And they were
talking about Drake. They they're genuinely work.

Speaker 8 (33:00):
Did you guys ever feel embarrassing if you ask you
guys ever feel like that with the Patriots with like
a Mark Sanchez or Ryan Tannehill or when you know,
we're saying like, oh, that looks like the Jets or
the back when the Patriots had Tom Brady, did you
ever feel like, say, I'm not going to say the.

Speaker 3 (33:15):
Name Josh, I would get annoyed to Patrick Mahone.

Speaker 4 (33:20):
Eventually said his name.

Speaker 3 (33:21):
All right, It's just embarrassing that that would ever come up.
I'm saying, unless it was like a Freddy thing with
Aray McDermott, I was.

Speaker 2 (33:30):
I was all in for that.

Speaker 3 (33:31):
I thought this was a real thing.

Speaker 4 (33:33):
But you thought that the head coach of the Buffalo
Bills wouldn't say Drake May's name.

Speaker 3 (33:36):
The head coach of the New England Patriots wouldn't say
his own quarterbacks for like a year and a That's
a very different person.

Speaker 2 (33:42):
But to your point, like when Pennington was schedule, it
wasn't that he was going to be like this great,
but he would annoy me. We should be beating this guy,
you know.

Speaker 5 (33:52):
Yeah, noodlelarm Sanchez a little bit. I mean, I mean,
Sanchez played the game of his life in that twenty
ten playoffs.

Speaker 3 (33:57):
But really did play. I never have to give him.

Speaker 2 (33:59):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (33:59):
I never felt like they got a franchise quarter They
were good team, they were all coach, had a great defense,
they had some weapons around him l T at the end.

Speaker 1 (34:07):
But I never felt Mark Sanchez was like, oh, let's
face it, since.

Speaker 2 (34:10):
One what quarterback in the AFC East have you said,
oh my god, this guy's great, Josh, Josh Allen besides Josh.

Speaker 4 (34:19):
Against the Patriots too up until you.

Speaker 2 (34:21):
Know you're like, we should be we should be that bad.

Speaker 3 (34:26):
You know, Pennington was probably the best in the Brady era.
You know, you could make an argument for my guy.
But so that's how bad the quarterbacks were, right, try
Jay Fiedler maybe, yeah, I mean right, they just there
wasn't a lot of I means, yeah, Pennington is probably
the answer to that question.

Speaker 4 (34:45):
Tua is literally in the conversation, and I don't think
anybody thinks much of Tua.

Speaker 5 (34:50):
Yeah, but even Pennington, Like you just look at it
the way he threw the ball, and you're like, this guy,
yeah he might beat you once.

Speaker 3 (34:56):
Or twice, especially after that surgery. Yeah, like he could
throw it all.

Speaker 4 (35:00):
How great is it though, that you know deduce his point?
Like we're talking about this game and like really analyzing
the game of like like the matchups and the strengths
and weaknesses and like it's fun. Just like we haven't
been able to do this in probably two years.

Speaker 3 (35:14):
Like I said to Freddy, you just now it's like
I watched a baseball game last night. I was all
jacked up. It looks like it was an actual baseball
game for the first time in like three years.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
I've enjoyed games, but you know, playoffs.

Speaker 3 (35:28):
He took that as to me being like kind of
like you with the base which is totally not true.
I just really enjoyed the game.

Speaker 2 (35:36):
You haven't enjoyed games this year.

Speaker 3 (35:38):
I don't really watch a lot of regular season because
this is playoff games and.

Speaker 2 (35:44):
It's difference between but every pitch I watched a lot of.

Speaker 1 (35:49):
I watched more Red Sox this year than a lot.
Not a lot, but I've caught a couple of games.
That was a cool game.

Speaker 5 (35:54):
Last night I was watching, I was stressed out, and
I was like, I was and it's so cool how
it comes. Like I just I love playoff baseball and
how tense every single pitches. It's just the tension and
now that the game moves faster, it's I mean, I
kind of appreciate it because it's not as much of
a slow burn. But I I'm like, why does this happen?

(36:14):
Like I never felt like even when I was watching
Red Sox during the season, I'd.

Speaker 2 (36:17):
Be like, oh, that's a great win.

Speaker 1 (36:18):
That oh thats tough loss. You know, never felt it.

Speaker 3 (36:20):
But last night, I'm like, I think there's a handful
of games during the season that you know, you get
like a Raphael to walk off like it was.

Speaker 1 (36:26):
I actually texted Click.

Speaker 3 (36:28):
I actually texted Freddy one night, the one against Tampa
Bay at Fenway, like, yeah, that was a little bit
different than the one sixty two. It was a handful
of those games. But this is when it matters.

Speaker 2 (36:40):
This is when it mappens.

Speaker 1 (36:41):
But I just think you just see Red Sox y's
actually jerseys, and I'm.

Speaker 4 (36:44):
Like, live, oh yeah we do.

Speaker 2 (36:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (36:46):
We probably watch forty to fifty Red Sox games a year.

Speaker 3 (36:50):
Okay, yeah, no, I mean I mean we we are
not lying. Freddy probably watched like one hundred and fifty.
Oh yeah, I mean if.

Speaker 4 (36:57):
It if it's Monday through Friday and they're on, that's
my summer friend.

Speaker 3 (37:01):
Yeah, see that's what I do. It's just kind of on.
But I'm not I'm not glue. Last night I watched
pretty much every pitch.

Speaker 4 (37:06):
Oh yeah, yeah, but no, we we watch pretty religiously.

Speaker 3 (37:11):
Last night, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (37:12):
Good, watched the game and we eat jelly.

Speaker 1 (37:14):
But it's kind of it's kind of feeling like a
little throwback. We're watching some Yankees playoff baseball.

Speaker 4 (37:19):
The Patriots got a big game against the Bills.

Speaker 1 (37:21):
Like, you know, it's almost it's a little revival here.

Speaker 3 (37:24):
We're actually talking about matchups and as if they matter,
you know, whereas like, jeez, I don't know how they're
going to do this. I don't think they have a
shot to do that. No, I think that everybody looks
at Drake May right now and the offense and the
way the offense has played the last three weeks. You know,
say for the turnover fest in Pittsburgh in the middle,
can they get in a shootout and win it? Yeah,

(37:47):
and you go, Mano Amano with one of the best,
if not the best.

Speaker 4 (37:51):
We're talking about that raft.

Speaker 2 (37:53):
Dave wants to know, would you rather win Sunday against
Buffalo or beat Buffalo at home? Later?

Speaker 6 (37:59):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (38:00):
Here, give me the game this week.

Speaker 3 (38:04):
If I had to choose one or the other, Like
you could make an argument that one at the end
of the year would be more important. But I don't
know what Buffalo will be playing. When how late do
they play Buffalo.

Speaker 2 (38:15):
I think it's the third to last week or.

Speaker 4 (38:17):
Second to last and Dolphins Jets, So I know, I don't.

Speaker 3 (38:20):
I think I would rather win this one.

Speaker 1 (38:22):
Yeah, we too, just went on the road under Drake.
I would love to.

Speaker 4 (38:26):
Watch Bill's Mafia walking out of that stadium. Oh yeah,
when we're going down to the to the you'll have
to do that too, So that sneaky. That is fantastic
because that press box and that whole setup. They have
to go inside and back outside and then down and
then it's it's terrible.

Speaker 1 (38:46):
Fourth to last.

Speaker 5 (38:48):
So they play the Giants on Monday Night football and
then a little short week here.

Speaker 3 (38:51):
Yeah, there was a chance that it won't matter that
much for Buffalo. I mean it will matter. I mean,
I can't imagine they have like the number one seed
if they're in play for that blocked up four weeks.
But I'll take this one. I would to the significance
of beating them on the road. I mean, I guess
you can wait and see how they play, but I
gotta think they're going to happen after two kind of

(39:12):
lackluster performances, Buffalo has got to have the attention, you know,
where it should be. It's not like you're sneaking up
on them.

Speaker 2 (39:19):
Not a mouse track game.

Speaker 5 (39:20):
I shouldn't I shouldn't be Generally, I feel like the
offense will will do some good things. I just I
feel I'm feeling good about the offense right now.

Speaker 1 (39:27):
I just I to me, the Patriots defense is just
a huge wild card in this game.

Speaker 5 (39:31):
And there's really no result against them with Josh Allen
that that would surprise me. Maybe just that they completely
shut Josh Allen down. But you know, there's a chance
that it's you know, Swiss cheese for for quite a
few drives, that they're going up and downfield.

Speaker 4 (39:44):
That's why I wonder if you just play the turnover game. Yeah,
but I don't think you're going to stop them in
conventional offense, like we'll get them, yeah, and so like
it just I just wonder if you try to steal
some possessions in this game with pressure.

Speaker 3 (39:56):
I'm gonna, you know, obviously take a win however it
can come. But I can I hope that if they win,
so the hypothetical here is a win no matter what. Okay,
if they win, I hope it's not turnover related. Yeah,
I don't want any yah butts.

Speaker 4 (40:13):
Yeah, I don't know how else they're gonna win, to
be honest with you, I mean.

Speaker 3 (40:18):
So you know, right, so that's what. That's what. Well,
you know, they turned it over three times, and it's
very very character for the Bills. They haven't turned it over,
you know, all year. They haven't. They didn't really turn
it over last year either.

Speaker 2 (40:31):
Yea.

Speaker 3 (40:32):
They had a long stretch without a turnover, right, they
rival Kansas City's record.

Speaker 4 (40:38):
I just wonder it's not even so much about turnovers,
but like negative plays like can you get a sack
on first down?

Speaker 3 (40:44):
No, that's different.

Speaker 4 (40:45):
That puts them off schedule.

Speaker 3 (40:46):
That's not a yeah, but right, but they got sacked.
You have they sacked them. That's that's because if you
just like.

Speaker 4 (40:51):
Again, like if you let them stay on scheduled, then
you're not they're going to If the turnovers.

Speaker 2 (40:55):
Are two picks by Gonzo, that's why you got them.

Speaker 3 (40:59):
I would rather I mean, my hypothetical is a win.
The meta what Okay, Okay, I would rather have it
be no no picks by anybody and just you you
lined up and beat them.

Speaker 2 (41:10):
But that's a play that you made. Maybe maybe it's
not like just reaching out and dropping the ball on
a run. It's like your best quarterback did what he's
supposed to do.

Speaker 4 (41:21):
What if you like zero blitz him and he ends
up chucking one up and then Gonzo just picks it off.
That's what I like it happen.

Speaker 2 (41:27):
I just feel like that's a force turnover.

Speaker 4 (41:29):
You kind of have to.

Speaker 3 (41:31):
I'm not talking. I'm not going to be happy if
they win.

Speaker 2 (41:33):
Because they're coming up with the reasons now where you're
gonna have the yeah butt.

Speaker 1 (41:38):
No, no, but that's always a yeah. But I mean
totally right.

Speaker 3 (41:41):
If they go to Buffalo and win, that's they went
to Buffalo and well no, yeah, but okay, I'm saying, Okay,
if I had my choice, I would rather have it
be they just lined up and they were better, Yeah,
as opposed to the other team didn't play.

Speaker 2 (41:53):
As I have my choice, Buffalo turns it over ten
times and we score fifty points? Do you think my choice?
You think?

Speaker 6 (41:59):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (41:59):
But after I think Pittsburgh would have rather have won
the game. Without reminder, receiveing some fumbling twice.

Speaker 2 (42:04):
I don't think they give it.

Speaker 3 (42:05):
Damn, I understand that. I said, what do you think
they would rather have won it? Because they were better?
That's what I'm saying. I think they're better, but they're not.

Speaker 2 (42:14):
I think I think Pepper's thinks I put my helmet
on the ball and I made them fumble.

Speaker 1 (42:20):
I just I sorry to derail this. No, I was
just something haven't said.

Speaker 3 (42:24):
I actually no, I'd be honest.

Speaker 1 (42:27):
And this might be a little circumstantial too.

Speaker 5 (42:29):
But like watching the Patriots game last week, I felt
like so much of their success depend on early down
success on defense, So like negative plays on first and
second down, like when they weren't getting that use the
example that first drive where they had two second downs
and they were second and ones. Otherwise it was just
first down, first down, first down, first out score. You know,
getting that success on those early downs, and to Evi's point,

(42:49):
being aggressive on early downs and trying to force the
issue with negative plays. I think that's something the Patriots
defense might really need to rely on, getting those success
on early downs. I like them on third down, but
you can see when they when teams get going on
first and second down and you.

Speaker 4 (43:02):
Get them into third and long, Like, how many third
and longs can you get them into in this game?
I think is gonna defensively that's going to ultimately decide
the game.

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We'll go to Anthony and Seattle first. What's up, Anthony?

Speaker 6 (43:48):
Hey, what's up? People?

Speaker 2 (43:49):
Hey?

Speaker 6 (43:49):
Hey?

Speaker 9 (43:51):
Hi?

Speaker 7 (43:51):
So I agree with with you guys. I'd rather have
this game than the later game for something about eating
them on Sunday night. Football in front of America Another
good game. Hey, uh, this game definitely feels more a
little butther bit butther but and less David versus Goliath.
I think this is the lost we had coming in
in a long time, so I'm excited for it. I'm

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definitely you know, Monday, I was really like miling here
to hear, like, oh man, it feels really nice to
have the player of the week quarterback that everybody's talking about.
When I showed the graphic and the Sunday night game,
They're showing Drake May and Top Allen, and I'm like,
oh man, it's so nice to have our quarterbacks to
put that graphic as your market player, not for man
Great Stevenson or Bill.

Speaker 3 (44:35):
Belichick, not for me, Bill Belichick against t J.

Speaker 4 (44:38):
Watt, right exactly, remember I remember, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 7 (44:45):
But hey, listen to the media is starting to worry
me a little bit to there. As the week goes on,
they can sinue to talk about Man. I'm like, all right,
let let it breath a little bit. But I got
just two quick people, I'll hang out one hit U
my one. My one pushback on the moral victory is, uh,
there's definitely a moral victory qualifier game, except for if

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we like if we freaking had them and it was
like and we just like the fall like fourth and
one and we fall start, or we run the play
and there was a legal man and eligible man like
something like that, and I'm gonna be like, oh that,
you know what I mean. But other than that, if
we just go to toe loose close, uh, you know,
absolutely moral victory. And lastly, if we go down there
and win and Drake May plays good, Here's what I'm

(45:28):
gonna do. I'mnall in Tuesday. We'll wait on hold. You
gotta answer my call. I'm just gonna say we are
all right.

Speaker 2 (45:35):
There you go. Thanks Anthony, We got our guy. Where
you hear from Williams in Montreal? Hello William? Well sure,
William bye.

Speaker 4 (45:46):
Uh.

Speaker 9 (45:47):
Yes, if Drake May goes down in Buffalo and out plays,
Josh Allen would every time to put Drake May and
the and the conversation.

Speaker 2 (46:01):
I still think it's a little too early. We had
that question last week as well. I think yesterday or
yesterday we had it. Yeah, I still think it's a
little early for MVP talk for Drake May. But let's
if the if the Patriots start peeling off wins after this. Yeah,
it's going to be because Drake May is playing.

Speaker 4 (46:19):
Well why on this topic.

Speaker 3 (46:21):
Yeah, if they win the game and he outduels Josh
Allen and then that leads to a battle for the
AFC East title, then absolutely.

Speaker 2 (46:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (46:28):
But right now the Patriots are two and two. Yeah,
the quarterback of a two and two team is probably
not in the m v.

Speaker 5 (46:34):
P race, right And I'd say you need to see
a game where the quarterback will the team to victory
on his back to be an m v P.

Speaker 4 (46:41):
Yeah, I just I can't believe we're talking like it's
week four.

Speaker 1 (46:44):
Well, I'll tell you why.

Speaker 5 (46:44):
And it's kind of funny, you know, it's not the callers.

Speaker 2 (46:48):
We're so anti fun everybody's say we're thirsty.

Speaker 4 (46:52):
For it is and that's why it's not just the caller.

Speaker 1 (46:55):
No, no, it's not six seven.

Speaker 2 (46:58):
Uh what that means.

Speaker 5 (46:59):
The funny thing is is that like every time you
go on Twitter, someone's found a new stat to tell
you how good Drake's been, you know, like that's like
they get more and more minute and.

Speaker 3 (47:06):
Like someone tweeted us a stat that was absolute fabrication. Really,
someone tweeted us something that said that that he was
leading the league in yards and I was like, I
had no idea and I will looked he's like sixth.

Speaker 5 (47:18):
Yeah, but it's not the fact that he's six I mean,
I love I love me some good Drake stats.

Speaker 1 (47:25):
I love, you know, but like it's four games. Let's
not get too ahead of ourselves.

Speaker 4 (47:29):
We're all very excited ahead of you, you know.

Speaker 5 (47:31):
I mean, look and I am a little bit ahead
of myself just with how comfortable he looks. I mean,
that's just to me, has been promising from maybe the
first OTA practice we watched him, where it was like, wow,
he looks like he's pretty comfortable right now, and that's continued.

Speaker 4 (47:42):
And that's positive, but that's watch season stats are crazy though,
Like the fact that they're the third best team in
the league in past EPA right now is insane. Like
they were worlds away from that last year. And I
get it. It's four games. It's a small sample size,
but it's also not like one game anymore.

Speaker 1 (48:00):
That's a quarter of the season, right you started talking.

Speaker 3 (48:03):
I'm more with you though, Like I just look at
him and I see how much different he looks to me,
And again I don't have anything to back up. I
don't have. It's just anecdotal. I think he looks more
confident and comfortable. I don't see him running around, you know,
sort of haphazardly like I did a line like I
did at times in the summer. No, it's you're throwing

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the ball twenty times instead of forty five. I saw
him in week one. I saw him running around halp
hazardly in week one. I haven't seen it the last
three weeks. I think that they've sort of figured out,
and I'm going to give Evans boy Josh a lot
of credit. So I just feel like I look.

Speaker 6 (48:41):
At the guy.

Speaker 3 (48:42):
I've always been a believer in Drake May. That's why
I wanted him over The only one I said at
the beginning of all of this that I would have
taken was Caleb Waits because I think he's more talented.
I stuck by that even after Daydon Daniels was an
MVP candidate and winning twelve games last year and going
to championship. I still would take Drake May over him.

Speaker 2 (49:03):
There is all right, one more call then. I think
Vrabel's going to be coming up soon, so we might
have to cut in for that. Mike's in Puerto Rico
what's up, Mike, Mike.

Speaker 10 (49:13):
Mike's everybody doing today?

Speaker 2 (49:15):
Good?

Speaker 1 (49:16):
Good Show's fine, but I'm I'm super excited.

Speaker 10 (49:20):
I didn't get to listen yesterday, so I don't know
if Evan had a particular take on bad Bunny being
at the Super Bowl. But I'm gonna tell you right now,
if the Pagots make it with that Bunny at the
halftime show, I am definitely gonna make it over there.
It's fifty minutes from my house. I even placed the
bed to cover the cost, so I'm going to make
it happen one way or another.

Speaker 1 (49:41):
Sorry, there you go.

Speaker 2 (49:42):
Smart. That is smart, Mike. I like it, good stuff.
What odds did you get?

Speaker 7 (49:47):
Actually?

Speaker 10 (49:48):
I thought it fifty to one.

Speaker 11 (49:50):
Fifty to one, yeah, okay, and to make the Super one,
so I put to get to the Super Bowl correct
the conference, So I put you on dollars soulfully.

Speaker 10 (50:01):
That will turn out to be like ten thousand, and
that should be more than enough to get the season ticket.

Speaker 2 (50:06):
Absolutely. Yeah, I love it, Mike. I love that. That's
smart strategy, you know, because in other words, if they win,
I win, right, Well, that's how that's worked.

Speaker 3 (50:16):
But you know, you know what I mean, I actually
didn't know what you meant.

Speaker 2 (50:21):
Yeah, all right, well thanks Mike thinks okay, okay, thanks
for calling it.

Speaker 1 (50:28):
So he's from Puerto Rico, but he's not living improved
in Puerto Rico.

Speaker 2 (50:32):
Correct, So I guess the rabel's running a little late,
a little late, that's okay. I know this is one
of Paul's favorite subjects email and says, MVP talk is
pretty crazy at this point. However, what's more likely is
Steph Diggs getting Comeback Player of the Year. I mean,

(50:53):
what do you think of that? That Paul coming back
from an injury.

Speaker 3 (50:56):
I honestly do not put Comeback Player of the Year
on my radar at all. I have no idea what
it is why they have.

Speaker 2 (51:02):
It, Okay, but you know people have won it before
and it's usually guys that had injuries.

Speaker 3 (51:08):
Right, So sometimes it's guys that just sucks the year
before and they come back. So that's why.

Speaker 1 (51:14):
Dak, I don't know, just trying to think of players
that I heard last year that I don't know.

Speaker 5 (51:18):
Maybe if I mean, Dick's got to keep keep building,
get a thousand hour season, and you know it's all connected.

Speaker 3 (51:24):
Anything we'd have to do more than that, but I
got to see, like what he did this week the
rest of the way. Yeah, you know what I mean,
that's a big difference.

Speaker 5 (51:33):
That I forget what the down was, but that passed
Drake through to him last week kind of an over route,
big play.

Speaker 3 (51:39):
Remember, you know what I think I was the one third.
I was like third and sixteen.

Speaker 5 (51:44):
That was the moment that Deuce was like whoa boy
like that? That specific past to me. I remember in
the press box watching him complete that. It's pressure in
his face getting it off, and that to me was
just the moment where I said, I I really think
this kid might be some so got to keep it going.

Speaker 1 (52:02):
But I get why everybody's excited about him.

Speaker 5 (52:04):
And that's, you know, that's what social media's for to like,
you know, hype your guy, come up with some random
stat that shows how great he is, and hopefully you
can keep it up.

Speaker 2 (52:12):
Todd and Gardner writes in so Greg Madard said that
he feels that Drake is quite ahead of schedule with
respect to his progress in the year two. I'm more
interested in where you all feel that the rookies are
with respect to their progress this year and their ability
to contribute over the long term.

Speaker 3 (52:27):
I think they all look good. Yeah, except for JJ McCarthy,
who we haven't really seen much of because he got
hurt and we played like two games and got hurt.
But man, I watched bow Nicks the other night. I
thought he looked pretty good. And I don't think that
much about Nicks. I always put that out there. Daniels
has been the best of the group. He's been hurt.

(52:49):
Caleb Williams the last couple of weeks has played. I
think he's actually played pretty well in all of the games, yeah,
just hasn't been able to win them all. Now he's
won a couple. And I think May has been the
best of that group this year, clearly.

Speaker 1 (53:04):
But it's a good class.

Speaker 3 (53:05):
Penix had a terrible game against Carolina, came back the
next week and ripped it up against.

Speaker 5 (53:10):
Washington's essentially a rookie and he played a little last year.
So some of these guys, you know, even Drake to
even Drake still is there's going to be still and
that's I mean, I think that's something to acknowledge that
you know, this doesn't just mean that Drake's trajectory is
a straight line upward like there's going to be some struggles.
I mean, this is the best defense he's faced this
year and it's going to present some new challenges to him.

Speaker 1 (53:30):
So he's he's just got to continue to get the reps.

Speaker 3 (53:32):
And I think that class, you know, I mean it's
too but I think that class looks good.

Speaker 2 (53:38):
Was he talking about our rookies at our rookies?

Speaker 3 (53:40):
I thought he was talk about the quarterbacks.

Speaker 2 (53:42):
I don't know. I thought he was talking about our rookies,
but maybe he was talking about the quarterbacks, well.

Speaker 3 (53:48):
Rookies, so I assumed he was talking about with the quarterbacks, Like,
how does that class look? Well?

Speaker 1 (53:52):
We could talk about that too, maybe, But I think,
I mean, Will Campbell's been really solid. But again i'd
put him in. He's a rookie.

Speaker 5 (54:00):
He's going to have some different matchups that he faces
every week, and there's going to be tough pass rushers,
you know, no matter how bad the teams they play, uh,
you know, their strength to schedule.

Speaker 1 (54:07):
But I think every all the rookies have been pretty AMoD.
Mellay Kyle scratching the surface a little bit.

Speaker 5 (54:13):
Trevion we were more excited about him before the game's
got real and but I still have a lot of
confidence in him that he can be a playmaker and
you know in space and uh, you know Woodson, I
feel the same.

Speaker 1 (54:24):
It's like, you know, a good play and a couple
bad plays and he's he's up and down.

Speaker 5 (54:28):
I don't think there's been a lot of discussion of that, really.
I mean, I think Craig Woodson has been one of
the most under the radar players for this Patriots ten
this year. Nobody wants to talk about a rookie what
is her fourthfront pick? Like he's He's every snap safety
for you. Now, He's taken some some lumps, for sure.

Speaker 1 (54:42):
He gave up two touchdowns last week.

Speaker 5 (54:44):
But you know, I would hope that the coaching staff
is seeing really positive strides from him to be a
permanent safety for this team going forward.

Speaker 2 (54:53):
Aiden in California, this will be the first actual big
game where all eyes and hype is on the Patriots.
My question would be, is the moment too big for
them or will they rise to the occasion.

Speaker 3 (55:07):
I don't think the moment will be too big. They
might not be good enough that I fully admit that
that's a possibility. The other team is just a step
up and weight class and the other team is just better.
But I don't think it will be because they're you know,
not ready for their moment. I think Vrabel has excelled
in this role. My boy on My Shows, Bred Felger

(55:32):
had some really interesting stats about Rabel in this touchdown
plus underdog with Tennessee. He was four and four outright
as a touchdown or more underdog. The rest of the
league had a winning percentage of one sixty eight or
something like that. So they're five hundred in a role

(55:55):
that everybody else.

Speaker 2 (56:00):
These kind of games, and.

Speaker 3 (56:01):
I think of games like the twenty nineteen Division round
against Baltimore where he completely shut down Lamar Jackson when
no one came close to doing that. You know that
year he had I think one against Kansas City that
he did it to Mahomes, he beat the Patriots, beat

(56:23):
he beat Brady.

Speaker 1 (56:24):
I know not, but I think Lamar is a better example.

Speaker 3 (56:28):
Well the player. I don't think they were more than
a top were they more than a touchdowns exactly. I
don't think that that would have been one of the underdogs.
But he gets My point that I'm making is he
gets his team ready for these spots.

Speaker 2 (56:37):
YEP.

Speaker 3 (56:38):
I think he plays the no one believes that you
can do this card, and I also think he likes
the fact that there's some juice to this game. With
a Sunday night national TV crowd, I think they'll be
ready for it.

Speaker 1 (56:51):
Patriots four and a half was the line in twenty
nineteen wildcard rounds.

Speaker 3 (56:54):
See what was the I mean, I don't I don't
even know what when it was. But the game that
I I was thinking was the game at Tennessee. Uh
uh oh that day won with Mariota.

Speaker 1 (57:04):
Oh that a twenty eighteen twenty seventeen.

Speaker 2 (57:08):
While you're looking that up. Curtis and Saint Louis McDaniels
talked on Edelman's podcast about how he coaches quarterbacks in
a nutshell. He's basically said, he has a cup and
he likes to fill it up progressively more and more.
My question is, do you guys think May's cup is
filling faster than you would expect? Is Josh feeding him
more because Drake is digesting it well and showing enough

(57:28):
progress week to week, or do you feel that it's
actually been more simple when it comes to scheme and
what he puts in May's cup thus far? If it's
the latter, would you say Drake is really ready to
take on more? And how good will this look when
the cup is truly full and Josh's bag is wide open?

Speaker 3 (57:46):
Just missed. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (57:48):
I mean, I just you know, this is so hard
for us to tell, you know what it is.

Speaker 5 (57:52):
I just all we can look at is how Drake
may looks on the field and performing into me.

Speaker 1 (57:57):
He he looks comfortable.

Speaker 3 (57:58):
I couldn't tell you how much that they given or not.

Speaker 1 (58:01):
I mean, I don't know, but it seems like it's building.

Speaker 5 (58:04):
Feels a little bit like, I mean, week one is
a little bit an outlier, but each week it seems
like a little bit more someone else is getting involved.

Speaker 1 (58:10):
And you know that's all you all you can ask for.
But it's it's I mean, we don't we don't see
behind the scenes.

Speaker 2 (58:15):
So it's still waiting for Mike Vrabel supposed to be
a twelve to fifty five? What's going on? Could there
be a trade? Big trading? It's always the thing, Brown,
he's on the phone, Yeah, it deals, Cody writes in Brown,
just want to give a shout out to Alex Barth
for being a Bills hater on this network. The glazing
of Josh Allen from Evan in the O. Golly g

(58:37):
wouldn't it be nice for the Bills to win a
Super Bowl? For Mike gets old is.

Speaker 3 (58:42):
But Alex Barth makes Fred Kersh look like hate, like
a Bills backer. Someone can't tell you how many times
he's told me that the or said on the air
the Bills won't make the playoffs.

Speaker 2 (58:53):
Yeah, someone keep Barth around the studio for the next
two hour.

Speaker 1 (58:57):
I appreciate that. I probably deserve it, and I will
say that.

Speaker 3 (58:59):
I think it was deserved for being objective saying I'd
like to see the message. I think the whole Buffalo
Josh Allen thing stems from so many people who consider
themselves experts. I thought he was a stiff in the draft,
and they just can't bring themselves to say I was wrong.

Speaker 1 (59:19):
I never had to take on him in the draft.

Speaker 3 (59:20):
But I've said a million times it's not that hard
to say, no, I thought this was going to happen,
it didn't. I was wrong. It's not that hard. I
look in the mirror, I was wrong. It's not hard.

Speaker 5 (59:30):
I could see my Bills hate coming back. I mean,
they just don't vex me right now. And I think
it's because the Patriots have been bad.

Speaker 3 (59:36):
But you can hate the bills.

Speaker 2 (59:39):
I don't.

Speaker 3 (59:39):
I don't know, but there's there's an under you have
to listen to it, and you know me, Fred will
tell you. I sometimes I hear things that might might
not be heard by dogs, like there's an underlying lack
of respect still in my view, a right forel.

Speaker 7 (01:00:01):
All eyes are gonna be on you and your team
Sunday night.

Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
Do you enjoy primetime spotlight or I think.

Speaker 12 (01:00:08):
If you wanna be if you wanna get to where
you wanna get to, I think you're you know, you
certainly better enjoy it, better enjoy uh playing in uh
primetime games. And that's something that you know, we're we're
trying to prepare for right now, and so I think that, uh,
certainly it'll be a huge challenge.

Speaker 6 (01:00:28):
You know. The last time they lost at home was you.

Speaker 12 (01:00:31):
Know, fourteen games ago, and we're we're we're well aware
of that and have to do a lot of really
good things, uh to give ourselves a chance.

Speaker 6 (01:00:39):
And they.

Speaker 12 (01:00:41):
Playing good football or playing clean football, they're not beating themselves,
and you know, they're doing a nice job in all phases.

Speaker 3 (01:00:49):
Like you you faced off against Josh Shan lived the
first five years of his career. Just his development from
you know, year one to then when you saw him
here three to five. How impressive was that is?

Speaker 5 (01:00:58):
Is there anything you everyone else can take away from
humping from as a player.

Speaker 12 (01:01:02):
Well, I mean, I think he realized that he's got
immense talent, and I think he has done a much
greater job, better job of taking care of football.

Speaker 6 (01:01:12):
And really that's been the the big difference for for
me just watching it from Afar.

Speaker 12 (01:01:20):
You know, a few years ago, I was forcing things
in the red zone and that led to some turnovers,
some some interceptions, and now I think he just has
a greater understanding of, you know, taking care of football
in those situations.

Speaker 6 (01:01:37):
And uh and they're still scoring touchdowns.

Speaker 13 (01:01:39):
Do you have an update on July to buy you
expects him to be out there?

Speaker 12 (01:01:43):
I expecting the practice, yes, So I don't have an
update on the game, but he will return to play
in practice.

Speaker 7 (01:01:50):
If you find that balance, you're trying to defend a
quarterback play Josh Allen. If you want to get after
who you want.

Speaker 6 (01:01:56):
To have the kind of kind of price if approptly.

Speaker 12 (01:01:58):
Girls want to to take countess, well, there's always gonna
be an extra gap in there unless you send two
guys right, So there's a gap somewhere in there if
you rush four.

Speaker 6 (01:02:06):
There's a gap in there if you rush five.

Speaker 12 (01:02:09):
And but but again I think that it's just good coordinated,
relentless coordinated rush. You know, even when he guys are free,
he makes a mess, he spins, or he'll extend, you know,
out past the numbers to the red line and continue
to to make plays down the field, or hevn't forbid

(01:02:29):
he scrambles up the middle and you know, makes a
move on a guy like he's done in the past
in the last couple of weeks, or or breaks the
stiff arm out. So again it's a huge challenge, you know,
any time that he's carrying the football, and then obviously
the accuracy and kind of the timing that he's had
throwing the football will be something that will have to
work on.

Speaker 14 (01:02:50):
James cooking this Buffalo run game to have so much success,
and more of the.

Speaker 12 (01:02:53):
Keys to try to get pay them this way because
he's a good player. They got good guys blocking for him.
I think the tight end have done a really nice job.
And then I think his vision and his patience and
burst he just everybody's at the point of attack. He
runs where you're not, and if you have bad discipline

(01:03:14):
or you don't chase your gap when it's moving away from.

Speaker 6 (01:03:17):
You, he's gonna come back and find it.

Speaker 12 (01:03:18):
So it's really been a nice back form and it's
just you know, taking care the football with the with
the amount of carries that he's had.

Speaker 14 (01:03:28):
Yeah, you seem to embrace the happy personnel than anybody
last yearanization offense the linement.

Speaker 6 (01:03:34):
This year they're using pause sorting that role.

Speaker 14 (01:03:36):
When it's on twenty two, I think yeah, late average
is three first naps a game for for twenty two
personnel and they're in the thirteen fourteen rangue.

Speaker 7 (01:03:45):
What what sort of challenges that is a pretty.

Speaker 12 (01:03:47):
Guests Well, not only the twenty two personnel, the the
thirteen personnel that you know, those are basically heavier personnels.

Speaker 6 (01:03:55):
They do a nice job of having a run plan.

Speaker 12 (01:03:59):
Each week out of it that they like and that
they think is going to give them success, but then
also still having the ability to keep the the route integrity,
uh and running some of the stuff out of that
with with Kincaid and Knocks and being able to do
all those things that they would do out of other
personnel groups.

Speaker 14 (01:04:18):
Of course, it seems as if with Josh Allen the
Bills embraced really quickly the go today.

Speaker 6 (01:04:25):
He's gonna run, it's gonna make mistakes, he's gonna be
a little bit of a wild stealie. Let's do that.

Speaker 3 (01:04:28):
So he's now come out the other.

Speaker 4 (01:04:30):
Side of it with Braff, you guys are very much stressed.

Speaker 6 (01:04:33):
Let's let's be a passive for us. Do you anticipate
both a course.

Speaker 7 (01:04:37):
Of time that he would become more of a potent
runner and.

Speaker 6 (01:04:40):
Embracing that the way that Allen does. I don't know
if I necessarily agree with that.

Speaker 12 (01:04:45):
I think that we want Drake to play quarterback, and
that's to work the progression and work the scheme of
the play. And then, you know, have never said not
to to run and just to protect himself and to
protect the ball. So I don't necessarily agree with that,

(01:05:10):
you know. And then you know, with Josh Allen, I
think everybody he's gonna play quarterback. How he feels like
he gives him the best chance to win, And you
know lead his team to victory each week, which has
been pretty successful.

Speaker 6 (01:05:22):
Is his athletic skill set.

Speaker 1 (01:05:23):
The size this team, how.

Speaker 4 (01:05:25):
Would he uses It's like mcnera Roethlisberg's.

Speaker 12 (01:05:28):
Big Not into comparisons. I think that he's a very
very good athlete. I think he loves football, and I
think he's got an energy to him and and there's
a willingness to run. Certainly contact courage doesn't lack any
of that. You know, it's like Wildcat when they when

(01:05:49):
they choose to to run him on design runs.

Speaker 1 (01:05:51):
Without getting into the one for one comparison. Is his
skill set, It's difficult.

Speaker 7 (01:05:56):
To defend, as maybe any other quarterback you player.

Speaker 12 (01:05:58):
Coach will be this week. It'll be the toughest challenge
this week. But again his reason that he's up there
in the MVP every year and that these teams are
very successful.

Speaker 6 (01:06:11):
Got a lot of respect for him.

Speaker 4 (01:06:12):
And he knows that with four games, I'm your belt.

Speaker 15 (01:06:16):
Now, how far along do you feel like you are
in identifying the consistent strengths of the team week to week?

Speaker 13 (01:06:22):
And is it kind of where you expect.

Speaker 2 (01:06:24):
It to be.

Speaker 12 (01:06:24):
I didn't really have many expectations, just because you never
really know, I think we're just trying to do it
each and every week, and we have to continue to
build that and practice that. But it's a good reminder
of that when we can do those things, that we
can have success and we give ourselves a chance to win.

Speaker 2 (01:06:40):
Like just picking back a.

Speaker 15 (01:06:41):
Little bit, when Karen was asking about it being a
big moment in the spotlight on a Sunday.

Speaker 2 (01:06:45):
Night, do you relish the opportunity to go into a
place like Buffalo where they've had so much success.

Speaker 12 (01:06:50):
In the crowd is so into Sure, I mean, I
think you have to. I mean, one, we don't have
any other choice, But I think you have to. And
I think it's important that we can take the next
step and show that but that we are ready and
that maybe some of our identity has a chance to
let itself out on Sunday night. And but it'll be
a great challenge, it'd be a challenge to even just

(01:07:11):
prepare today and get going and focus on all those
things that are going to help us in the road environment.

Speaker 11 (01:07:16):
Historically, Todd down he's in a lot of work in
the red zone for the other teams you work with,
Where has his work shown up there for you?

Speaker 2 (01:07:22):
Guys.

Speaker 6 (01:07:23):
If it all same, you know what I mean. It's
the same, you know what I mean.

Speaker 12 (01:07:27):
I like to go in and talk with with Todd
and Thomas and get some preliminary thoughts and some things
that we may like and then be able to present
it to Josh as we work due to week.

Speaker 6 (01:07:38):
So you know, those guys are as involved as they
always have been.

Speaker 5 (01:07:42):
How do you assess your safety and if you needed
to tap into that, anyone in that corner room that
might have some flexibility to play back there.

Speaker 12 (01:07:52):
I don't I haven't thought about I don't think we've
thought about taking any corners and making them safeties just yet.

Speaker 6 (01:07:58):
Like let's make their past.

Speaker 1 (01:08:00):
Defense as effective this. It's been a thin fair number
one of the league's yards.

Speaker 12 (01:08:03):
In the past, very sound, the great vision and break players.
You know, they got some guys on the corner on
the edge that have some length. Backers are fast, instinctive,
and the safeties do a great job of disguising and
then once the match the route declares, you know, being
able to match it and play it. It's they've done

(01:08:25):
a nice, really nice job. But they stay multiple proficient
in a lot of different coverages and they mix it
up on you.

Speaker 15 (01:08:31):
They're trying to keep things in front for the most part,
seems like not a lot of deeper passes been.

Speaker 12 (01:08:37):
Yeah, I mean, I think that's probably fair, But I
don't think you know, it's not like they're playing cover
two extensively, you know. I mean, there's a lot of
post safety and you know, they get into their quarters
and then they blitz different people off of it. But
it's a very sound and instinctive defense with guys that trigger,
and when it gets thrown short, they do a great
job of breaking and vice tackling and not missing a

(01:09:00):
whole lot of tackles and when the quarterback decides to
check it down.

Speaker 3 (01:09:03):
I seen when at linebacker over the last couple of weeks.

Speaker 14 (01:09:07):
Do you see that continuing or would you prefer to
stick with one guy next to school.

Speaker 12 (01:09:12):
I don't mind rotating, and I think that everybody's just
trying to help us out. We've got a lot of
guys that play special teams. We've got guys that play
rotating there on defense, we play a lot of different
skill players offensively, So you know, I think that that
can be a good bet, you know, I mean, good balance, This.

Speaker 1 (01:09:26):
Will be good My last visit to Buffalo unless you
go back and close season. Do you look at the
what do you recollection to that stadium bat environment?

Speaker 6 (01:09:36):
And did you really really love the visitors law for them? Yeah?

Speaker 12 (01:09:40):
Didn't It wasn't it Ralph Wilson Stadium. Yeah, I mean
I think again. I love the ride up. I love
the passionate fans and you know mean coming up into
that day and driving down the you know, on the
road and seeing the same things you saw for you know,
twenty years, you know, being in this league. So it's
a great sports town and uh, you know we're excited

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to go there on Sunday night.

Speaker 6 (01:10:03):
Thanks.

Speaker 10 (01:10:03):
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Speaker 3 (01:12:23):
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Speaker 2 (01:12:40):
All right back here on Patriots Unfiltered. As you can see,
Uh dudes has gone to the locker room. He'll be
back with a report. Evan already left early because he
was that Vrabel and he'll be also in the locker room.
So we'll get the word from the locker room when
they returned. But we just heard from Mike Rabel and Paul.

(01:13:02):
You know, what do you think were the takeaways?

Speaker 3 (01:13:04):
Yeah? I think that there was a whole lot to
this one. But as we talked about in the first hour,
I would say that Mike Rabel very much is looking
forward to this opportunity. I think he relishes these this role.
I think National TV on the road against one of
the NFL's elite, I think he likes those.

Speaker 2 (01:13:22):
And it's funny because he was asked that question just
that way, and if it was Bill Belgian, well, you know,
it's just another game and you know where they're all important,
blah blah blah. But Mike said, no, this is big game.
We hope that we can have our identity start to
develop or come forth in this game under the lights
Sunday night, the whole country, will you know, Like He's like, yeah,

(01:13:45):
I own it. This is going to be big.

Speaker 3 (01:13:47):
And you know, I thought there was some questions in
the middle about, you know, sort of Josh Allen and
you know, comparing him to others and Drake May, and
he doesn't really want to get into any of those
comparison kind of talk. I did find it interesting there
was a question in there about sort of limiting May's creativity.

(01:14:08):
You know, I'm paraphrasing that wasn't the actual question, but
his running and Mike sort of took exception to that,
like's I would disagree with that.

Speaker 2 (01:14:16):
I never told him that.

Speaker 3 (01:14:17):
You know, he wants him to protect himself and protect
the ball, but not necessarily not to run. So I
think that is kind of a narrative that is, you know,
permeated for the first month.

Speaker 2 (01:14:29):
We got an update on Julia.

Speaker 3 (01:14:31):
Yeah, he's going to start practicing. His window can officially
open today, so the four weeks that he had a
miss being on ir So now, assuming that he's out
there at practice, we'll find out later, but assuming he
was out there, that that thus opens a twenty one
day window that he can practice before the Patriots have
to make a decision on whether or not the active.

Speaker 2 (01:14:53):
He can play any time, but they have to make
he could play Sunday.

Speaker 3 (01:14:56):
If they wanted him to play Sunday, they could activate
him to the rosters before the game this week, but
they have twenty one days to make that determination.

Speaker 2 (01:15:04):
Yep, Okay, So that was Mike Vrabel.

Speaker 3 (01:15:11):
My guess is we won't see him this week, but
maybe he It's a week you know, kind of like Gonzo.
You know, you have a week of practice under your belt,
and the second week of practice and you come back.
So Tavai hasn't really done much in a long time.

Speaker 2 (01:15:22):
Yeah, and we talked about this in the postgame show.
Maybe with his the way he plays linebacker, he could
be helpful this year. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:15:32):
At the very least, he gives you some depth at
a spot that you don't have a ton of it.

Speaker 2 (01:15:36):
Yep, all right, eight five five Pats five hundred is
the hotline. That's how you can call us podcast at
Patriots dot com is the email address, and a lot
of emails coming in. Norwe from Arizona writes in he
said he's pumped about the game and the national stage.
He said he emailed Thursday show about reading into a

(01:15:57):
running back drill when Henderson was the first one leading
the tackling ball carrier. One. I recall Evan being dismissive
of this, also considered that this information came from a
Mike Reese tweet. Well, look at what happened on Sunday.
You had Henderson and Gibson getting goal line touchdown carries
while Stevenson didn't. Is this something else with is this
something that we also shouldn't be reading into?

Speaker 3 (01:16:20):
And Stevenson started, That's why Evan said not to read into.

Speaker 2 (01:16:23):
Yeah, I do have a question. If the Patriots are
hanging with Buffalo in a back and forth game where
both teams are alternating leads throughout the game and the
games come down to who has the ball last, if
the Patriots end up falling short over a last minute
score by Buffalo, how will you guys end up feeling
about the team afterwards.

Speaker 3 (01:16:41):
Yeah, these are all very I think they're all very
good questions, and I just would say I kind of
need to see the way the game unfolds generally, without
getting too detailed, you know, with this, I would say
I'd feel pretty good about the scenario that he just
kind of unfolded there. But you just, you know, let's

(01:17:05):
say that they fall short at the end, Fred, Why
did they fall short? Right, Someone drop a pass, someone
miss a blitz. It may overthrow somebody.

Speaker 2 (01:17:12):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:17:14):
You know, there's a lot of different ways that you
can fall short and not feel great about it. But
in general terms, I would say, if the Patriots have
a chance to win this game on Sunday, I probably
would feel pretty good about the Patriots. Yeah, general, you know,
generally speaking, I mean, if they're plus four in the
turnover ratio and they lose the game, I'm probably not
going to feel as great as I might, you know,

(01:17:37):
But if they go to Buffalo on a Sunday night
and take Buffalo's best shot and have a chance to win,
I think, you know, most Patriots fans, I think are
probably going to feel pretty pretty good about the team's
fortunes going forward.

Speaker 2 (01:17:51):
Adrian and Delaware, I know you guys don't do the
paper anymore, but I think it would be fun on
the Tuesday shows to brainstorm with the listener, is what
the cover picture of the previous game would be and
what the headline would say. For example, after the Carolina game,
would the picture be the Marcus Jones punt return or
Drake May Superman celebration?

Speaker 3 (01:18:12):
Good question, Yeah, it probably would have depended. I'm going
to jump into Freddy's head here. Fred used to look
at the photos and a lot of times that would
determine what you what you went with if it was
a great photo, you know. As an example, my guess
is we would have had the cover of the Miami
game would have been Antonio Gibson running side by side

(01:18:34):
with Mike Rabela, the great David Silverman photo. Longtime Patriots photog.
He didn't want to give him his props. David Silverman
one of the few that's been around longer than.

Speaker 2 (01:18:44):
Both of us, right, been longer than the Crafts have
been here.

Speaker 3 (01:18:47):
Yeah, So that my guess is that you would have
seen that and said we got to get this on
the cover.

Speaker 6 (01:18:53):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:18:53):
You know, so a lot of times you would look
at those photos and say, well, I know, the Marcus
Jones punt return was probably the biggest player of the game,
but this photo over here is a better photo, Yeah,
and then gone with that. Yeah, but I love I
love the idea of the Superman thing that would have been.
That would have been kind of cool.

Speaker 6 (01:19:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:19:08):
So, like Paul said, you know, you what was going
in on, what were the plays of the game, But
then you see the photos, and back then it was
a little bit different. Especially in the nineties, you didn't
have the thousands of photos that these guys take now digitally,
so you had to be more selective with what actually
came out nicely, and like Paul said, sometimes the quality

(01:19:31):
of the photo dictated the cover and then you'd have
to figure out the headline from that.

Speaker 3 (01:19:36):
Because we had like off and running with Gibson on
that kick return.

Speaker 2 (01:19:40):
Yeah something like that. Yeah, yeah, but yeah, too good.
That's fine. I kind of missed that.

Speaker 3 (01:19:46):
Marcus Jones, too good. Two good, there you go, punt return.

Speaker 2 (01:19:50):
Yeah, yeah, there you go. That's a good one. Good, Paul,
that was a cliche. That's good. That's good. But I
don't mind doing that. Like what's your cover headline?

Speaker 3 (01:20:02):
And you know what, let's make that a thing on Tuesdays.
If we get you guys in your emails, email in
what your cover words would have been? Yeah, and then
we can maybe spend maybe fifteen minutes every Tuesday talking
about it.

Speaker 2 (01:20:17):
Maybe we can actually pick a picture and have it
up on the screen and say, okay, here's the picture. Yeah,
give us the headline. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:20:26):
It used to be a big thing on the bus. Yeah,
on road games, you know, Fred and Andy and I
would sit around the guys from like the radio, the
sports hub. Mark Capello, a longtime producer of the Patriots games.
Would you know, he would immediately come on, Freddy, what's
the Cover's the cover? What's the cover like? And we

(01:20:47):
would all sort of talk about it, and full disclosure,
Fred and Andy would come up with far more of
the covers than I would because it wasn't my thing
and I always got shot down. But that's it was
kind of a collaborative. We would do it on the
bus a lot on those road games.

Speaker 2 (01:21:04):
Also, I think Alex should have a word of the
week on Wednesday or Thursday. But the word or phrase
must be in Portuguese. Maybe another Jill jingle. Perhaps I
speak Spanish, but I'd love to learn a bit of Portuguese,
especially since the Patriots are marketed in Brazil. This could
be the spiritual successor to Eric's word of the day. Yeah,
play yeah. Eric used to have a word of the day.

(01:21:29):
I remember as if his vocabulary was so much more
so fast, yeah, half the words you would mispronounce. Oh man,
Eric Poor Eric Jeff and Hickory, North Carolina calls himself
the Southern Patriot. If you look at it, we are
a turnover away from being at least three and one,

(01:21:51):
and then we would have a chance at this week
against the Bills. Why the only two things I worry about? Oh,
I see, yes, you only think that's what he probably Dideah.
I think the only two things I worry about with
the Bills is our defense. In the first quarter, they
toughen up after that and turnover differential. Regardless, we have

(01:22:11):
a chance if Drake has more than thirty rushing yards
and no interceptions, change my mind. So Drake with thirty
rushing yards and no interceptions, I.

Speaker 3 (01:22:20):
Don't think they I mean no interceptions is important. I
don't think they need any certain amount of yards rushing.

Speaker 2 (01:22:25):
Yeah, I think. I think if he has three yards rushing,
you have a chance.

Speaker 3 (01:22:28):
Does he throw the ball well right?

Speaker 2 (01:22:30):
And is he rushing because he's being chased all over
the place? Yeah, I mean I everybody will has a
very contextual game.

Speaker 3 (01:22:37):
I would say anybody that goes into a game like
this and things, you don't have a chance. I just
don't know what you've watched. Like, why wouldn't the team
average and New Owans had a chance last week? I
think New OANs is one of the worst teams in football.
So why wouldn't the Patriots at two and two have
a chance. They of course they have a chance. Yes,
of course they do.

Speaker 2 (01:22:58):
I want to do a little Patriot It's uh.

Speaker 3 (01:23:01):
This is the time to do it when no one's
here around.

Speaker 2 (01:23:03):
Sure, just play Okay, this is Max in Atlanta, who
had the longest rush in the longest reception for the
Patriots last season.

Speaker 3 (01:23:14):
To be good for me, I'm going to say Antonio
Gibson had the longest of both.

Speaker 2 (01:23:18):
You're right, you would be correct, and one.

Speaker 3 (01:23:21):
Of them was definitely against San Francisco.

Speaker 2 (01:23:23):
Forty five yard ron in a fifty yard catch. When
was the last year a wide receiver had the longest
reception for the Patriots? When was the last year a
wide receiver had the longest reception for the Patriots. I
would never have gotten this. I don't even remember the play.

(01:23:46):
I'll give you the year. Want me to give you
the twenty one?

Speaker 3 (01:23:51):
Oh so would this be like a Jacksonville or a
Jets game?

Speaker 2 (01:23:57):
I don't know. He doesn't have the game. No, no,
I'll give you the yardage. Seventy five yards.

Speaker 3 (01:24:03):
It was a long play. Kendrick Bourne Hendrick Oh Dallas overtime,
the overtime loss at home against Dallas, seventy five yard
that gave him the lead in the fourth quarter.

Speaker 2 (01:24:12):
Matt Jones had a nice pass.

Speaker 3 (01:24:14):
Yeah, I mean it actually should have been picked but
seventy five yard touchdown to Bourne the play after Jones
had just thrown a pick six.

Speaker 2 (01:24:22):
Okay, in two thousand and four, one player on the
Patriots had one hundred percent completion percentage. Who was it?

Speaker 3 (01:24:29):
What year?

Speaker 2 (01:24:31):
Two thousand and four? This isn't This is kind of
a trick question. Two thousand and four.

Speaker 3 (01:24:38):
Adam vinit Terry, that's correct.

Speaker 2 (01:24:40):
One pass, one touchdown.

Speaker 3 (01:24:41):
Four yards. Troy Brown hat rams Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:24:45):
And that was also a game where Troy Brown played cornerback, right,
he played He played defense in that game. Yeah, in
twenty fifteen, we won our first ten games. What city
were we playing in when we lost our first game?
That season?

Speaker 3 (01:25:02):
Twenty fifteen they won their first ten Yeah, now, come on,
this game has a name? Would not have remembered that
Harper's muff?

Speaker 2 (01:25:11):
Yeah, Denver?

Speaker 3 (01:25:14):
That was their first loss that year.

Speaker 2 (01:25:15):
Yeah, they were ten and o going into that game,
remember that, So I remember they lost and Gronkowski had
the injury.

Speaker 3 (01:25:21):
They lost four out of the last six, I believe,
and all of them fell at least partly on the
shoulders of Bill Belichick. I've gone to that those are
my greatest hits. Two thousand and fifty. Yeah, kicking, kicking
off and overtime, I mean yeah, kicking off and overtime
at the Jets Harper's mouth, Harper's mouth, take a kid off.
The practice squad put him back to return a punt
in the fourth quarter in a snowstorm.

Speaker 2 (01:25:44):
In two thousand and five.

Speaker 3 (01:25:45):
I'm just gonna run Stephen Jackson every play in Miami
the course. Now you got me all riled up.

Speaker 2 (01:25:50):
That was a tough That was a tough year. That
was a tough year. Should have been better in five
we lost in the same city in Week six and
in the Visional Round. Where were those games played?

Speaker 3 (01:26:05):
Denver?

Speaker 2 (01:26:06):
Again obviously, he says, yeah, yep, that one.

Speaker 3 (01:26:10):
That one's more obvious.

Speaker 2 (01:26:11):
And finally, one team has played four home games this season?
Which team is it?

Speaker 10 (01:26:18):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (01:26:18):
You mean after Sunday?

Speaker 2 (01:26:20):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:26:21):
No one's played full home games.

Speaker 2 (01:26:22):
Okay, so after Sunday Buffalo.

Speaker 3 (01:26:24):
We talked about this on Sunday.

Speaker 2 (01:26:26):
Well, he says, Denver. But it's just a joke.

Speaker 3 (01:26:28):
Oh oh, I thought he was being serious because of
like this is we I don't really recall this. Buffalo
is going to play at home Sunday night. It's going
to be four the first five at home. Yeah, that's
a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:26:40):
We thought it might have something to do with the stadium,
but we looked at the end of the year, they
were also playing at home.

Speaker 3 (01:26:44):
Then that's why I thought I was you know, he
was being serious. Yes, but Denver is at home every week.

Speaker 2 (01:26:50):
PS. Yesterday you guys talked about Higgins being traded since
he's a creative. We got that.

Speaker 3 (01:26:55):
I was definitely wrong on that one. See it's not
that hard when you have the wrong information, you just
say I was wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:27:01):
Ye Wisconsin, Glenn right, Sin The Bills haven't played a
good NFL team yet. Ravens, Well, they are a good team. Jets,
Miami and Saints aren't good. The Patriots could be a
step up in competition. They need to leverage their offense
and special teams. The defense will be under.

Speaker 3 (01:27:17):
Direct Okay, so here's where I You know, with all
the I think that they can compete, you should absolutely
expect to compete. Why don't they have a chance. I'm
going to say all those things. So if we're not
counting Baltimore as a good team, who are the Patriots played?

Speaker 6 (01:27:34):
Right? Right?

Speaker 2 (01:27:36):
Pittsburgh Right, they're good, Miami.

Speaker 3 (01:27:40):
They're good, right, Like those are bad. They've played bad teams.
There's a reason why Baltimore still has a better chance
odds wise to win the AFC North than Pittsburgh. Yeah,
because everybody looks at the teams and says that one's
better than that one. But I yeah, Like I said,

(01:28:01):
I give the Patriots every opportunity to go to Buffalo
and put their best foot forward. They should, They should
expect to compete and win. They should.

Speaker 2 (01:28:09):
Martin out of Kansas, good day, he says, Fred, you
have the phrase, what do the Sharks know game? When
the game open, it was Bills by ten and a hay.
Now it's Bills by seven and a hay. I find
it interesting. Are they giving the Patriots more respect?

Speaker 3 (01:28:24):
I saw eight and a half to seven and a half.

Speaker 2 (01:28:26):
But I trust you it could also mean they just
need to get Bills money in because the Patriots at
ten and a half while the fans were crazy and
making the best.

Speaker 3 (01:28:36):
Yeah, and the Patriots have been I would say, offensively
better than a lot of people thought they would be.
I think two and two is not I mean two
and two is not a surprise. A lot of people
figured at the start of the season they had three
and one was in play, so two and two was
not a surprise. But I would say the offense has

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been a little bit of a surprise. Don't you think
that they've been better offensively?

Speaker 2 (01:29:02):
Well, I thought they would be better, so I thought.

Speaker 3 (01:29:06):
They would be better. But they've been good this difference,
you know what I mean? Okay, Like like I mean,
I don't really care about these numbers that Mike and
Evan liked to throw because they're all percentages, yep. But
they're like in the top five in the league and
a lot of numbers wise, but I I think there's
they're like sixth or eighth or something in point.

Speaker 2 (01:29:25):
But I expected see to see an improvement in the
you know, I did too. It was Drake, it was
the line, it was the coaching.

Speaker 3 (01:29:32):
I did too. I just didn't expect them to be
over thirty twice in the first four weeks.

Speaker 2 (01:29:35):
Okay, I didn't.

Speaker 3 (01:29:36):
I thought they would be better all the things you said,
but I didn't expect them to be scoring thirty plus
and forty plus in the first four weeks of the season.

Speaker 2 (01:29:42):
Okay, But as you know, it wasn't really forty, but
it was.

Speaker 4 (01:29:46):
It was.

Speaker 3 (01:29:46):
It was closer to really forty than it was over
thirty of Miami game.

Speaker 6 (01:29:50):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:29:52):
Valentine from Switzerland, if we hang with the Bills and
we have a drive to end the win in May,
would it be a moral victory? We talked about that.
The only concern I have left with Drake May is
his ability to win close games. Usually top quarterbacks in
this league have already won multiple games coming from behind
to this point.

Speaker 3 (01:30:14):
I mean, you're right, he hasn't done. I mean, they
did win a close game in Miami, but it wasn't
because Drake May came from behind to do it. That
he had the kick return that did it. Yeah, I
mean that's probably the next step in his evolution is
when the game is on the line, do you play
the same way you have been playing?

Speaker 2 (01:30:33):
Right? Yep? A quick midweek game. Regarding the current roster
for the following groups of three players, I would like
to know if you would either keep the current player,
switch the player for the alternate or alternative from the
other team, or switch the player for a former Patriot. Oh,
this is too complicated. I'm not doing it. It's too complicated.

Speaker 3 (01:30:55):
Can you give me just one example?

Speaker 2 (01:30:56):
All right, I'll give you one example. Three choices running back,
keep ramondre Stevenson, switch for Cam Scataboo, or switch for
prime Vegas Ferguson. Okay, so he keeps Yes, so I
thought he wanted us.

Speaker 3 (01:31:11):
You probably you would probably trade him for Cam's camp Scataboo.

Speaker 2 (01:31:15):
In three yards of no, I keep remondre Stevens, would
wide receiver, keep Stefan Diggs, switch him for Matthew Golden
or switch for prime Cedric Jones.

Speaker 3 (01:31:29):
I think I would switch him for Matthew Golden for
the age, the age difference. Okay, I mean Diggs is
a better player, I mean right now.

Speaker 2 (01:31:36):
But what if you're just talking about this season not
you know, like I.

Speaker 3 (01:31:39):
Think Golden's pretty good, and I think he could be
really good.

Speaker 2 (01:31:42):
All right, what's going on?

Speaker 3 (01:31:46):
And I don't know. There's a lot of conversations, a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:31:48):
Of u F bombs being thrown out there. Tight End,
keep Hunter, Henry, switch for Dalton Kincaid, or switch for
prime Rod Rutledge.

Speaker 3 (01:31:59):
I would keep Hunter because of Evan's thing. He's more
of a well rounded tight end. I liked Alton Kincaid.
Evan doesn't. I think he's a good player, but he's
not much of a blocker. Henry does it does a
little bit of everything.

Speaker 2 (01:32:10):
O line, keep Mike and when you switch for Matt Pryor,
or switch for Prime Steven Neil.

Speaker 3 (01:32:17):
Oh, Steven Neil, Yeah, I don't know who Matt Prior is.
Full disclosure, cornerback.

Speaker 2 (01:32:22):
Keep Christian Gonzales, switch for Cooper Dejene or switch for
Prime Malcolm Butler, Yeah, keep, come on. Finally, keep Drake
May switch for Baker Mayfield, or switch for Prime Cam Newton.

Speaker 3 (01:32:39):
I think I would keep Drake May me too. Prime
Cam Newton is m v P tempting, but I think
that he's Mays a better passer, even at even at
Newton's height of his prop powers, I think may is
a better passer, So I would keep May. Yep, that
was a little bit more enjoyable.

Speaker 2 (01:33:00):
I didn't know he actually gave us the options. I
thought we were have to like sit here and think
about who we would switch them for. Alex from Austin, Texas.
We often talk about how explosive Marcus Jones is with
the ball in his hands. Yeah, Paul's guy.

Speaker 3 (01:33:16):
I know where this is going.

Speaker 2 (01:33:17):
This past weekend was exceptional evidence of that. Do we
think there will be a time this season we'll see
him on offense?

Speaker 6 (01:33:23):
Yep?

Speaker 2 (01:33:24):
I know we've seen it in the past, But do
we think Josh will ever play that card? In PS?
My Rivalry's jersey just came in and it is incredible.

Speaker 3 (01:33:32):
It's fire. I do think there's a chance that we'll
see that this week. No, No, I'm not calling for
it this weekkay, necessarily, I'm just saying I think there's
a chance that you'll see Marcus Jones on offense.

Speaker 2 (01:33:46):
Okay, all right, Matthew from Wichita right sin. In the
first part of the show, there was a lot of
praise for the Buffalo pass catchers because how many good
to okay options they have. Isn't that sort of the
same thing the Patriots have. I think the Patriots pass
catching group doesn't get enough praise for their diversity of talent.

(01:34:08):
Each of the Patriots receivers has their own unique skill
set and very little overlap. Would you rather have the
Patriots pass catching group or the Bills?

Speaker 3 (01:34:16):
I think they're both subpar.

Speaker 2 (01:34:19):
Well, which one would you rather have?

Speaker 3 (01:34:24):
Probably Buffalo only because of Diggs's age, but I think
they're very similar. And I would just say, I mean,
it sounded like there was like a a gotcha moment
in that email. I No, I agree, and that's why
I think most people think Buffalo's receivers stink like I

(01:34:45):
think he was trying to say, well, if Buffalo is
this or that or the other thing, then why are
we not saying that about the Patriots?

Speaker 11 (01:34:51):
No, we are.

Speaker 3 (01:34:52):
I think they both kind of lacking in star power
at the receiver position. Yeah right, okay, now digs like
prime digs, which you know, if he would prime digs,
he'd still be on Buffalo, right, he hasn't been that guy.

Speaker 2 (01:35:08):
Gavin writes in if the Patriots somehow pull off the wind,
what are you guys thoughts on trading trying to trade
for a J. Brown? And how great would this benefit
the team going forward?

Speaker 3 (01:35:17):
I'd be interested in trading for AJ Brown win lose
right now?

Speaker 2 (01:35:20):
Yeah? Sure, yep, Okay, waiting for uh be coming in?
But I do like you don't get the heads up anymore.
He just storms in.

Speaker 3 (01:35:34):
No, it's it's become a thing. It's become a thing.

Speaker 2 (01:35:37):
Somebody said that just prior to the song, like there
should be that noise that Stone calls Stone cold Steve
Austin when he smashes through Uh. But anyway, we'll see
what they got cooked up back there the midst aw
the yelling. I don't know what the yelling was.

Speaker 3 (01:35:58):
I just said that it was just today.

Speaker 2 (01:36:02):
We had a caller call and that was Costello is
calling in from New Hampshire. His new favorite caller is
Brian from Lowell and the way he sucks the fun
out of the room and grinds the podcast to a halt.
It's hilarious hearing Fred depressingly muttered, yell okay to get
the call over his comedy gold keep Brian.

Speaker 3 (01:36:22):
Please, everyone's welcome. Not everybody has the same level of play,
you know, or time for your phone call and we
take everyone yeap. Why can't Booty be the explosive deep threat?

Speaker 2 (01:36:35):
He says? Is it Booty or boutet Booty? Yeah, it's
Booty right, Yeah. I heard the announcers say, oh, it's.

Speaker 3 (01:36:41):
I don't know our own guy. I don't know why.
I don't know why that happened.

Speaker 2 (01:36:45):
The TD bomb he caught last year against Houston and
a few others from last season seemed like that could
have been a role for him, or am I remembering
that wrong.

Speaker 3 (01:36:52):
I have a lot of hope for him, so I
would say that he has gotten deep a few times,
but don't confuse that with being a consistent deep threat.
I don't think he has great straight line speed, but
he has shown the ability to get open deep on occasion,
and they really haven't tried a lot of those. They
have tried a few of them, yep, here and there, but.

Speaker 2 (01:37:15):
I mean the one in Miami was like twenty five yards.

Speaker 3 (01:37:17):
It's not really sixteen sixteen yards sixteen yards, Yeah, but
they I'm like, I'm thinking of the deep one down
the sideline. They went to him deep on a pass
interference against Pittsburgh. I think they've tried it a couple
of times here in that, but they haven't really stretched
the field very much on verticals, as Heaven would would say.

Speaker 2 (01:37:38):
Lastly, the linebackers have been bad. He's got it in caps.
If Juwan Bentley was still on the team, could that
have been a fit he could cover a little bit
or is his body type not a fit for what
they're doing on defense?

Speaker 3 (01:37:48):
Juwan Bentley was not known for his coverage.

Speaker 2 (01:37:51):
He was run stopped.

Speaker 3 (01:37:52):
He was a better run stopper than probably they've gotten
better tackler. But evidently they felt like he wasn't a
scheme fit, and you know, they went with some smaller,
quicker guys in Spalaine in Ellis, you know, and it
could have been.

Speaker 2 (01:38:10):
A cultural thing. Not that Juwan was great for the
locker room, but I think in terms of the leadership
of this team, Bentley was a former captain, and I
think Rabel might have, just guessing here, wanted his guys
as leaders.

Speaker 3 (01:38:25):
And you see, you know, first first year Patriots like
Spulaine in Landry, you know, in that captain role. So
I think you'd probably right about that.

Speaker 2 (01:38:34):
I don't know why this person's asking this question, Ashton,
but the question is, would you consider trading Drake May
in two first rounds? Oh, it's a joke. Would you
consider trading Drake May and two first round picks for
Carson Wentz in a third round pick? I thought it
was the other word around, that we would get to
first round picks. So it's even absurd, but just being crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:38:58):
That's weird though, it's like not even no, I think
it's a joke, but it's not, you know, it's not
even jokey though. No, I don't know, Yeah, but I
don't think there's very much that I would be considering
trading Drake May for.

Speaker 2 (01:39:13):
That right now. I mean, he's the sky's a limit
the way it looks right now, we're we're starting to
see who I.

Speaker 3 (01:39:21):
Want to see it out. I want to s see
it play out. Does he get better? Does he continue
to you know, add add some tools to his bag?

Speaker 2 (01:39:30):
And and and what I hope is you see the
continuation this year. But I also hope there's some continuity
with the coaching staff next year. Like, you know, Josh
is still here, Thomas Brown doesn't head off to.

Speaker 3 (01:39:43):
The you know, yeah, I mean, you probably have a
chance to lose some of the other guys, but this,
you know, there's a good chance if if everybody wants
to return. And you know, like I don't think Josh
is going anywhere, right, I mean, at this stage, I
don't think he's going to get another joaching office.

Speaker 2 (01:40:00):
Okay, So here's another thing that just struck me with
Rabel's press conference today. He was talking about, you know,
the game plan for the offense, and he says, you know,
I'll talk to Thomas Brown and who's the other guy
he mentioned, Todd down Now, Downing, we'll talk about some
things and then we'll present that to Josh.

Speaker 3 (01:40:19):
I thought that was interesting that I think I might
have missed that yeah when I stepped out to Yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (01:40:25):
Don't know if. I don't know if we can get
that clip. But he said that he would talk to
Todd Downing and Thomas Brown and they would present things.

Speaker 3 (01:40:33):
He's going out of his way to create something there.
I don't know why. I don't know what exactly the
story is. But every time the subject of offensive coaching
comes up, right, there seems to be a long way
to Grandma's house that doesn't really include a direct route
to Josh mctay right.

Speaker 2 (01:40:51):
Right, So I I that caught my ear. That caught
my ear. I don't know if it caught anyone else's. Uh.
I don't even if, like guys back in KSP could
get that clip and we could play that.

Speaker 3 (01:41:04):
I guess is it's going to catch the era of
ear of you know my shows too, because those are
kinds of drama written sure elements that they love.

Speaker 2 (01:41:13):
They love to infuse drama into people's comments. Hustin right, Sin.
I just want to say, you guys are great. I
enjoy the show. Would you rather have the Patriots win
big because of great defense or win a close game
where Drake leads a game winning drive. That's a good question. Actually,
close game where Drake wins it on the game winning drive,

(01:41:36):
or they dominate and they win big because they shut
down the Bills.

Speaker 3 (01:41:40):
Oh, I think I would rather have the Drake May.

Speaker 2 (01:41:46):
Really Yeah, you don't want to see the defense like
come alive and.

Speaker 3 (01:41:50):
Shut down the Bills again, as long as it's a
w I don't. I'm not going to sit there and
throw it away.

Speaker 2 (01:41:56):
Well, nobody is either.

Speaker 3 (01:41:58):
I think the thing that is most sustainable his offense,
Drake May. If he can be that, I'll take that.

Speaker 2 (01:42:04):
But we've seen the offense starting to get better. We
still have some questions on the defense. This would be
great for this to be a defensive.

Speaker 3 (01:42:12):
Personally, I would think that myself. You asked me my opinion,
I would look at it as a one off, whereas
I think it's a continuation of Drake made.

Speaker 2 (01:42:19):
You can't have two off until you have a one off, Paul.

Speaker 3 (01:42:22):
I mean, I just don't think there's a lot of
teams in the league that consistently shut down good offenses.
I don't care who you are, I don't know anybody else.

Speaker 2 (01:42:31):
We had a big defensive game that mat me off.

Speaker 3 (01:42:33):
Like we're talking about Like earlier in the show, we
had Jack and Ann Arbor tell us about how the
secret to stopping America has Baltimore was X Y and Z,
I see a hand raised and.

Speaker 2 (01:42:47):
Oh okay and Baltimore.

Speaker 3 (01:42:49):
You know, the secret to stopping Baltimore was limiting to
thirty points. Like that to me is that? And I
agree with Jack. I think Detroit played well that night defensively, yep.
That's why. Like if if they won the game like
thirty eight to ten and the defense was just suffocating,
I would say, great, it's a great win. But I

(01:43:11):
don't think you can do that again.

Speaker 2 (01:43:12):
No, but it would be good that I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:43:14):
Or if it's thirty eight thirty four and you want
on a shootout because Drake May was outdueled Josh Allen,
I think you could do that, But.

Speaker 2 (01:43:20):
Then we come out of that game still worried about
our defense.

Speaker 3 (01:43:24):
What I'm telling you is I would still be worried
about the defense regardless.

Speaker 2 (01:43:27):
I know, but at least you have some.

Speaker 3 (01:43:30):
Well in the league, not the Patriots. I know, defense
in general in the league is I agree that there's
a lot of talk about these college gimmicky offenses are
way behind, and it's hard to play the you the
canfl that they the scoring is is just there on
a consistent.

Speaker 2 (01:43:46):
For the record, I would take the big win with
a defensive shutdown so that.

Speaker 3 (01:43:51):
I have those numbers that I was talking to you
about a little a while ago about Rabel as an underdog. Yep,
So I asked Mike to send me to the actual
data regular and postseason games as a seven and a
half point or more underdog. So that's what the Patriots are,
seven and a half point underdog, seven and a half
or more underdogs. Rabel was four and four as the

(01:44:13):
Tennessee coach. The rest of the league in that situation
was sixty seven and three hundred and twenty seven for
a winning percentage of seventeen percent. So the Patriots what
the Titans went five hundred?

Speaker 2 (01:44:25):
What's the window that we're talking about from two thousand?
Like what year twenty eighteen to twenty three? Okay, Well
Rabel was with Tennessee. Okay, so that five years span,
six six year span. Okay, that's impressive.

Speaker 3 (01:44:42):
Four and four as a seven and a half point
underdog or more. This is outright, This isn't a spread.
Outright four and four rest of the league sixty seven
and three hundred and twenty seven for a one to
seventy winning percentage. That's a big, big gap. Yeah, okay,

(01:45:03):
and just as an underdog of any kind, Vrabel had
the second best record in the league only to Mike
tom wins winning percentage in that same time time period.

Speaker 2 (01:45:13):
Oh, let's hope that trend continues, so that we got
you saying that we got a chance. Yes, okay, John
and Virginia formerly at Brockton has some trivia or not.
I don't know if it's trivia. It's just kind of
a guessing game. Name one other player to wear the
number twelve jersey other than Tom Brady for the Patriots.

Speaker 3 (01:45:31):
Tom Ramsey, that's one. Oh my, Matt Cavanaugh.

Speaker 2 (01:45:35):
That's two. I would never have guessed how many three?
Two of them? Eddie Wilson, I don't know who that is.
Name five players to wear the thirty three jersey from
eighty one to the present.

Speaker 3 (01:45:51):
Tony Collins that's one, Devin Falk.

Speaker 2 (01:45:54):
Two, there's one. Where bring it right now?

Speaker 3 (01:46:02):
Oh, Anthony Jennings.

Speaker 2 (01:46:03):
Three.

Speaker 3 (01:46:05):
That was that was a prototypical Paul. I can remember
the day Collins forget Anthony Jennings, Yeah, I don't really
have anything.

Speaker 2 (01:46:13):
Juwan Williams, Jeremy Hill, Deon Lewis, Leon Washington, Sam Gash.

Speaker 3 (01:46:18):
Deon Lewis was thirty three. I should have gotten that.

Speaker 2 (01:46:21):
One, George Adams and Patrick Egu Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:46:23):
I wouldn't have gotten many of those, Sam Gash and
Deon Lewis. I should have gotten.

Speaker 2 (01:46:28):
From eighty one to present name five out of the
six players to wear the number eighty seven.

Speaker 3 (01:46:33):
Eighty one to the present name five players.

Speaker 2 (01:46:37):
Five out of six. So we know Grenkowski did.

Speaker 3 (01:46:42):
Yeah, Lynn Dawson, Yes, Look who's back from.

Speaker 2 (01:46:52):
The locker room?

Speaker 4 (01:46:53):
What was the mood where the player's friendly to that?

Speaker 3 (01:46:55):
None of them looked like Tavick Henry, Hey.

Speaker 2 (01:46:58):
Mike, what was it like.

Speaker 5 (01:47:03):
Paying like?

Speaker 2 (01:47:04):
What was it like in the I think you should
come in just wearing a towel because you just came
from the locker room.

Speaker 6 (01:47:11):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:47:12):
We want to track listeners, not scared them away. I
mean that's not going to be good for anybody.

Speaker 5 (01:47:16):
Hello, everyone back for the locker room and a busy
day in the locker room. I would say, uh, Stefan Diggs,
he's been speaking every Wednesday.

Speaker 1 (01:47:23):
So he has good stuff to say, seemed a little
locked in, seem a little serious stuff.

Speaker 5 (01:47:27):
He did comment on that five to ten thing that
he said, which I think we talked about yesterday on
the show, and kind of confirm what we said.

Speaker 1 (01:47:33):
He said, you know, if I said eight or nine
or ten, like I wouldn't be doing as much as
I should.

Speaker 5 (01:47:37):
So he said, you know, guys know how much I'm grinding,
But that's more about I feel like I've just scratched
the surface of, you know, my potential in this offense.
But he did say the offense is you know, can
be complicated and there can be some twist to it.
So but he seems excited to go back to Buffalo.
Spoke highly of their fans and you know, Josh Allen
and just you know, the whole program. Didn't seem like,

(01:47:58):
you know, he had any you know, ill will or
anything towards that. Just spoke highly of the whole operation there.
Talked to Milton Williams as well, who decided to get
on Prime Time, said his comment about the offensive line
remind him Buffalo's offensive line reminded him of Philadelphia last year.
Said they're just all I think, he said, giant humans.
You know, and he said, then even Josh is back

(01:48:18):
there and he's big as well.

Speaker 1 (01:48:20):
So that was his take.

Speaker 5 (01:48:21):
Marcus Jones commented, excited and you know, spreading credit.

Speaker 1 (01:48:25):
Around on the special teams for his return.

Speaker 5 (01:48:27):
I'm just saying usually I wrote it, and the thing
I did today said, you know, I just want to
get the first down. He wants to get those first
ten yards and you know, try to give the offense
a little bit of a boost. And then the last
and was christians All was just getting ready to get
up there and then take on these receivers. Not a
ton to stay from him, But I thought thing I
would say, Jalen Hawkins didn't seem like he.

Speaker 1 (01:48:46):
Was gear enough to go out to practice, so he
left the game with a hamstring.

Speaker 5 (01:48:50):
Injury, speculating a little bit he could still throw his
pads on here in the last ten minutes and get
out there.

Speaker 3 (01:48:54):
But that's going to get his Kyle Dugger game.

Speaker 1 (01:48:57):
Yeah, yeah, so it.

Speaker 5 (01:48:58):
Could be a Kyle Duggar back in the mix at
safety perhaps, So we'll see how that all that all
plays out. But yeah, really busy day, like crowded, crowded, crowded,
and this is becoming a thing.

Speaker 1 (01:49:08):
Now on Wednesday, it's you know, a lot of interviews.

Speaker 3 (01:49:11):
I think it's Papa Gino's unless they didn't unless they
didn't update it from last weeks.

Speaker 5 (01:49:16):
Yeah, you know, shoot, I forget what his name is,
Nick something from w b Z, but he he was
just getting all these interviews going.

Speaker 1 (01:49:24):
Everybody's getting in there. So it was uh, it was productive.
It was productive. You know here from a lot of
these guys in.

Speaker 2 (01:49:29):
Our new segment for Wednesday, eyes on Evan, Evan talking.

Speaker 5 (01:49:33):
Yeah, Evan was talking a little bit. I caught Evan
talking to Milton Williams a little bit. Then I saw him,
you know, go up and say lit some of.

Speaker 1 (01:49:39):
The Marcus Jones.

Speaker 2 (01:49:40):
Yeah, quietly, just a.

Speaker 1 (01:49:42):
Private private party, just the just the two of us.

Speaker 6 (01:49:46):
I know more.

Speaker 3 (01:49:48):
Uh, they're all good guys, Yeah, I know more so
we can talk on a level.

Speaker 2 (01:49:54):
You don't have to dumb it down for me.

Speaker 1 (01:49:56):
A little bit of a shout out to to Karen
who asked step Digs. She's like, you know, you come
to playing all are you comfortable playing all around the offense?
You know, inside outside, So she's she didn't frame it
as like he is the slot guy. So that was good.
You know, he said, that's that's what makes me me.
I can line up everywhere.

Speaker 3 (01:50:11):
And you know that is part of what makes him,
uh Digs because he has been able to do that
throughout his career. He's a versatile guy.

Speaker 1 (01:50:18):
I just don't think if people realize it that, like
if you couldn't play on the outside, that would be
a very bad sign, you know, like if you can
only play on the inside.

Speaker 5 (01:50:25):
He's like, you can't get all coverage anymore. Like you know,
he's he's he's slowing down.

Speaker 1 (01:50:29):
That's uh.

Speaker 5 (01:50:29):
I mean maybe you'll get there eventually, but no good
good day in the locker room though they all seem
to acknowledge this is a you know, big game, big
opportunity and excited to play on Sunday night football.

Speaker 3 (01:50:40):
But I worry about with that the offense in general,
like how much of that is Well. They decided to
do some different things with Digs on Sunday because of
a specific matchup, a game plan, right, and we knew
that he could beat this Mike Jackson guy, and you know,
we wanted to sort of you know, matchup hunt, as

(01:51:01):
Evan likes to say, you know, and they hunted the
matchup and they won the matchup more often than not.
But next week or you know, some other game, it
might they might not feel the same way.

Speaker 5 (01:51:09):
Yeah, I know, my apologies whoever wrote in and reprimanded
me for you know, rooing for the bills a little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:51:16):
But this really stuck with you throughout the locker room,
you know.

Speaker 5 (01:51:18):
But it's just like you when you were in there, Well,
you listen to the players that I'm like, they're saying
the same thing we say. They're all just you know,
and it really impressed with with what good players they
have on this team, and especially Josh Allen. It's you know,
everyone knows how good he is. I think someone of
the questions like you know what makes him so good?
And that someone's like just turn on the tape like everything.

Speaker 3 (01:51:36):
I'll tell you. It used to bug me when you know,
when your team beats another team and you spent that
whole week saying how bad the other team is, how
overrated they are, and I would just look at and
what have you done? What if you accomplished that? I mean,
you beat Josh Allen. He's a stiff. You've told me

(01:51:56):
all week he was overrated. He hasn't beaten anybody all
year and obviously that's not happening this week. I'm just like, no,
but that would happen. Never earned the dynasty.

Speaker 2 (01:52:06):
That would happen every week.

Speaker 3 (01:52:07):
And then and then I was supposed to come in
on Tuesday for the next show, and No, I was
supposed to say how wonderful the Patriots were for shutting
that said stiff down, like you told me it was
going to happen. You were right. I don't know what
you're so excited about now, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:52:25):
So that's why you do the Belichick way. You pump
up here, but I know you.

Speaker 3 (01:52:30):
Pumping them up. No, but I'm analyzing what I thought.

Speaker 2 (01:52:34):
I know. But you focus on the positives for the
opponent always, always before they know.

Speaker 3 (01:52:42):
But that's coach.

Speaker 4 (01:52:43):
Like the coach.

Speaker 3 (01:52:44):
Fans don't have to pump up the opponent. What I'm saying,
if the fan really doesn't think Josh Allen's any good,
Evan's given him too many fans, it's not a big
big deal to you if they win. And I don't
think there are very many fans that objectively think that
Josh Allen's staying. I think there's still some in the
media that if push came to shove and they had
to put a hand on a bible. They would tell

(01:53:04):
you that I'm not gonna out anybody.

Speaker 2 (01:53:08):
I think the windows closing on the bills, and I
would love it. I would love for the Patriots to
be part of closing that window, slamming that way.

Speaker 3 (01:53:16):
I could totally see in like twenty twenty nine, like
Josh Allen's like, you know, limping out there, finally taking it,
finally taking one too many hits and he's done. And
Fred was like, well, I told you the window was closed.

Speaker 5 (01:53:27):
I mean that might be the most one or not
the most, but one of the most impressive things to
me is just with the amount of contact that he takes.

Speaker 1 (01:53:32):
I think Brabel say contact courage today.

Speaker 3 (01:53:34):
I like that that he hasn't what about route integrity.

Speaker 5 (01:53:38):
Route integrity, I don't like that one as much, but yeah,
contact courage is good.

Speaker 2 (01:53:41):
So while you were going, we were talking about the
Rabel press conference a little bit, and there was one
part that kind of I noticed. Yeah, he was talking
about the offensive game plan and he said that he
will talk with Thomas Brown and Todd Down and then
they'll present it to Josh.

Speaker 3 (01:54:04):
Did you catch that I didn't catch that, but that
that would be Uh, I didn't catch that might have
been when I stepped out.

Speaker 1 (01:54:10):
Yeah, no, I did not catch that. Uh you know,
I just uh, I wish.

Speaker 2 (01:54:15):
Thatting in the offensive in this you know, kind of
offensive throne. And then they come and here's what we
have for this will.

Speaker 3 (01:54:29):
I do remember the manner. I do remember quite specifically
in that NFL Network documentary on Belichick from the nine season,
and Brady is sitting with Belichick in Belichick's office and
they're going over to this, that and the other thing
about and he goes, Okay, I'm gonna go uh, I'm
gonna go check in with Billy. Oh like, So clearly

(01:54:52):
the game plan was being discussed with Belichick and Brady
and then they went and presented it.

Speaker 2 (01:55:00):
So though it could be a similar thing.

Speaker 1 (01:55:02):
Yeah, maybe, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:55:03):
I mean, I just why didn't anyone else hear that?

Speaker 6 (01:55:06):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:55:06):
We're gonna we'll check the transcript on that.

Speaker 2 (01:55:07):
But Matt Morrell, they couldn't find that clip for me.
What's that?

Speaker 12 (01:55:12):
I have the audio, Let's play it, talk with with
Todd and Thomas and get some preliminary thoughts and some
things that we may like and then be able to
present it to Josh as we work due to week.

Speaker 6 (01:55:26):
So you know, those guys are as involved as they
always have been.

Speaker 2 (01:55:30):
Okay, so I was I did I did hear that?

Speaker 1 (01:55:32):
Interesting? That's interesting?

Speaker 3 (01:55:33):
And I mean, I don't know, I think it's interesting.

Speaker 5 (01:55:38):
I just wish that maybe we could be a little
bit more aware of the storylines and just kind of
you know, Bill would used to know what the storylines
were and purposely take steps to make sure you're cutting
those things off of the paths.

Speaker 3 (01:55:48):
And I think it is the opposite.

Speaker 2 (01:55:50):
Oh yeah, I do.

Speaker 1 (01:55:51):
Oh soap opera, soap opera time. As the Patriots turn, well,
I don't know if it's you know, it could be.

Speaker 2 (01:55:58):
I'm not saying it couldn't be, but I just take
it just how do they do things? What's the procedure
on getting you know, the offensive game pin. I just
think it's interesting that Vrabel is part of that preliminary
crew that then presents it to Josh. It's not like, okay,
the crew presents it to Josh, Josh comes up to
the plan and then Vrabel okays it. It seems like

(01:56:20):
it's the other way around, right, you know, like now
ultimately maybe still Verbel has the final say, who knows.
But I just it's just to me interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:56:29):
Did you say Thomas and Todd does that with the Okay?

Speaker 5 (01:56:32):
Okay, yeah, just got down the receivers coach in the
past game coordinator right right? Okay, yeah, I mean it's uh,
maybe someone has to follow see exactly what the what
the methodology is again, like it's another thing behind the
screen that you don't really know of, you know, how
are these things organized?

Speaker 2 (01:56:48):
And right? I just that's all. I just thought it
was interesting. I'm not want to create a soap opera here.

Speaker 3 (01:56:53):
Do you remember what other eighty sevens I may have
left out?

Speaker 2 (01:56:57):
Ben Coates?

Speaker 3 (01:56:58):
Oh wait, I would have gotten to that, Okay, I closed.

Speaker 2 (01:57:01):
I came Dawson about early two thousands receiver, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:57:06):
David gibbons Y Mike, Mike would have jumped.

Speaker 2 (01:57:08):
On that one. Okay, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:57:09):
Yeah, we had a little five guys that were eighty
seven between eighty one and Gronk or something like.

Speaker 2 (01:57:13):
That with six have warn him. But besides Gronk, five
others who are they? Okay? Yeah, then Dawson Cots, Ben Coates,
David given, David gibbons and then I closed my computers.

Speaker 3 (01:57:26):
Jack Westover counts like he changed right from eighty seven
to thirty seven, he did.

Speaker 2 (01:57:31):
All right, that's going to be it for this edition
of Patriots Unfiltered. But don't worry. We'll be back tomorrow Thursday.
We've got to do picks and any preview. Paul, how
did the group do? Oh boy? As a group? How
do we do?

Speaker 3 (01:57:42):
You just continue? It was not I'm not asking for
my It was not a good week for the entirety
of the panel. Okay, but once again, you and you
and Alex.

Speaker 1 (01:57:52):
Was it particularly terrible for anyone, he asked squeamishly.

Speaker 3 (01:57:56):
Yeah, because I think it might have been. Was I
was a little better this week? Oh it's still on
last week.

Speaker 2 (01:58:01):
You'll get back.

Speaker 3 (01:58:01):
You'll get your feet someday. Yeah, someday.

Speaker 2 (01:58:04):
Yeah, you had a tough off season, so, like you know,
you have to get your feet under you. Yeah, you're
not in playing shape yet. I got issues, not been
playing shape. All right, we'll be back tomorrow. We'll see
you then.

Speaker 5 (01:58:16):
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