Patriots Unfiltered 10/14: Full Breakdown and Observations of 25-19 Win Over Saints

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Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered.

Speaker 3 (00:19):
One of my favorite things about the Super Bowl is
I go on Twitter as the halftime thing and I
get fifty like visceral hatred and fifty visceral.

Speaker 1 (00:28):
That's the greatest thing I've ever seen. Right away, I
literally could not care. Andy hard Love Katie Perry. I
thought that was terrible.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
I don't like, but you don't have to.

Speaker 1 (00:40):
Oh, I don't know about that. That took a turn.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
I wanted to play, just because his name allows you
to be both happy in that.

Speaker 1 (00:47):
So if he has a good game, eften chism.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
If he has a bad game, eften chism.

Speaker 1 (00:51):
Right, it works both ways, brilliance or friend. I will
take the Colts, but I will take the seven. That's
a lot of points. You'll take the seven?

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the Patriots Unfiltered.

Speaker 1 (01:15):
It is Tuesday.

Speaker 2 (01:17):
Here at Jillette Stadium, and let me tell you something.
For and two babies set them up. We'll just knock
him down. Just bring them on, just bring them on
in a row. Yeah, it's three in a row, going
on the road for hopefully three in a row on
the road to Tennessee. But a lot to digest from
the Saints game. Drake May continues to just I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:39):
Know, just show us, show us what he can do
in a good way.

Speaker 2 (01:44):
It's it's amazing the leap that he's had since last year.

Speaker 1 (01:48):
Amazing, amazed.

Speaker 2 (01:51):
Yeah, yeah, probably maybe we'd have used it every week
any day. No, it's good, it's good stuff. But you know,
I think the best thing that I like coming out
of this game, and again it's it's Evan, it's Paul,
it's me, it's Deuce, Matt and Alex in the booth.
The thing that I like best coming out of the

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game Sunday was the maturity of the team one overcoming
some questions, I'll be nice, questionable officiating and not letting
it affect them, not letting penalties derail drives for example.
You know other editions of the Patriots that would have
that's it. They would never recover. And then after the game,

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the mood wasn't like woo, it was no, we left
a lot on that field and we need to be better.
And to me, that's showing maturity of it. They want more,
they want more.

Speaker 3 (02:45):
I agree with That was the number one thing that
impressed me was the performance. I feel like they played
better than you know. And if they're not satisfied, I
think that's great that they think that they're capable of it.
But I think they all the things that people worried
abutt really didn't manifest, like are they going to be
ready to go?

Speaker 1 (03:04):
They're going to come out flat.

Speaker 3 (03:05):
They gave up the bomb on the first play, Okay,
so I do recognize that. But then they immediately regathered
themselves and come up with a red zone stop, something
that hasn't really happened a lot this year. The red
zone defense has been a problem. It wasn't a problem
on Sunday offensively, I mean, come on, you come out
and score touchdowns on three your first four drives of
the game. YEP, didn't finish as well as they would

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have liked, but I just thought they were approaching it.
They were not flat, and even the freaking come out flat.
They came out ready to play.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
Even that first play. It wasn't because they were flats,
because they were over aggressive, screwed up.

Speaker 1 (03:35):
I agree.

Speaker 3 (03:36):
I think that was a little bit of a an
aggressive call for the first down of the game, right,
you know. I thought overall, the Patriots played a really,
really good game, and they needed to because the other
team played well.

Speaker 4 (03:48):
Right, Yeah, it's all about may I mean that For me,
it's you know, you can dive into defensive nuances about
what they.

Speaker 1 (03:55):
Need to improve on in the running game.

Speaker 4 (03:56):
But we've been talking about it for what five years now,
trying to get this quarterback, and I'm just amazed by
the progress he's made. I didn't expect him to be
this good, to look this locked in, you know, even
from what we saw in the summer. I mean in
the summer it was still kind of up and down,
even in the joint practices. You know, it was all right,
it might be a little bumpy for him trying to
get on track with this offense.

Speaker 2 (04:16):
But you bring up a good point, because there was
no indication from the summer that he'd be this good. Yeah,
I mean otherwise, and I'm just talking about the offense
as well as a whole, Like there was no indicators that, oh,
this offense is going to get it going, but they did.

Speaker 1 (04:30):
The Yeah.

Speaker 4 (04:31):
I mean, I would say there were moments in Minnesota
where and the granted it wasn't even like really the
competitive eleven or on eleven periods, but that was the
first time I saw Diggs and I was like, there's
something there between these two guys, and Digs just to
me at that point, I was like, he can turn
it on when he wants, so, I you know, you
saw little subtle hints that it might be coming, but
you know, and Drake being comfortable. I think that was

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just something this summer that he doesn't look overwhelmed. You know,
it didn't necessarily translate to you know, perfect consistency throughout
you know, every practice and stuff, but you know, just
the strides he's taken in these last three weeks where
he just seems un unrattleable. Is that I don't know
if that's a word, but like he just doesn't he
doesn't get off track. He doesn't, he stays, you know,
he gets smacked and then he comes right back and

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makes a play. And you know, I said it this
morning we were talking just for me. The big thing
we had talked about a lot, even in the early
part of the season was drifting into pressure and just
not having a good feel for the pocket.

Speaker 1 (05:23):
And those things are starting to go away.

Speaker 4 (05:27):
Now he seems like he's buying time, he's stepping up
into the pocket, he's delivering throws, he's taking a subtle
step to the left, and you know, buying himself just
enough time to deliver it.

Speaker 1 (05:35):
So, you know, the the I mean, the.

Speaker 4 (05:38):
Sky's the limit for this kid right now. He just
he seems like he is locked in and playing really well.

Speaker 1 (05:42):
And then what.

Speaker 2 (05:44):
Can you say about Kaishan Boody. I mean, everything that
gets thrown to him he catches, and they're not just
like random you know plays. These are big plays, like
third down, gotta have it plays, you know, behind the
sticks plays.

Speaker 1 (05:59):
He's he's I mean, he's really.

Speaker 2 (06:01):
He's talk about consistency this year, he's been mister consistent.

Speaker 5 (06:05):
Yeah, he's been really good. I think really the main
thing with Drake is like his decision making is just
it's at an elite level right now. Like there's just
not very many instances on tape where he's throwing the
ball the wrong places. Now there maybe are one or
two sprays a game that they're still kind of managing.
But at the same time, when you have a quarterback

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that's playing on time, in rhythm and understanding, you know,
the structure and the concepts of the offense to get
the ball out to the right reads consistently, it's just
it's really fun to watch. It's it's great to see it.
It's fun to watch. His tape is basically flawless. Like
the last three weeks, it's very hard to find things

(06:48):
to nitpick about, you know, his individual play. I mean
in this game, really the only thing that you could
really get on him was the delay a game down
in the red zone, Like that was pretty much the
old only mental error he had for four quarters. In
this game, the turnover worthy play rate is way down.
He's not putting the ball in harm's way as much.

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His ball security in the pocket is significantly improved. He's
not getting stripsacked or putting the ball at risk in
terms of that as much either, including the lack of interceptions.
So this is an elite level quarterback play. He's playing
like a top five quarterback in the league. And I
know last week, we got some calls about MVP, and

(07:30):
you know those types of discussions.

Speaker 1 (07:31):
You're going to continue to get him.

Speaker 5 (07:33):
He is in the conversation. It's six weeks into the season.
It's really early still, but MVP, All Pro, Pro Bowl,
like all of that. He's in the conversation for all
of these accolades at this point in the year.

Speaker 1 (07:47):
We'll see if he can continue.

Speaker 2 (07:48):
Yeah, I mean it's week six, so you know, we
got eleven games to go.

Speaker 1 (07:51):
But we got to show to do today. And right
now he's an MVP guy.

Speaker 2 (07:54):
Right now, he's playing at that.

Speaker 1 (07:57):
And I'm with Evan.

Speaker 3 (07:58):
I just off season everybody, all anybody ever wants to
ask you about is how what do you think?

Speaker 1 (08:03):
How do you how do they look? What do you?
What do you think this year? You know, what what's
the record?

Speaker 3 (08:07):
And I always said the same thing, and out of
seven eight wins, you know they'll be improved. They've they've
definitely added talent. And then I always wrap it up
with my caveat unless Drake may does X and we've
seen it like this is like every week he's adding something.
The Buffalo game was incredible, right, some of the individual

(08:31):
plays that he made were just there's not a lot
of guys in the league that are capable of making
some of the throws some of the escapes that he did.
This game, to me was far more impressive because the
things that Evan talked about. It's maybe you could go
back and look at that Buffalo game and say, well,
why did you run to the right there. All you
had to do is you had just set your feet

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throw the ball the guy's right there. This game, he
did that and there was there was traffic around him,
there was pressure in the pocket. It wasn't like the
pass protection is flawless, But he's just navigating around. He's
making throws down field while guys are tugging on his shirt.
He's sliding subtly one way or the other, keeping his
eyes down field consistently and protecting the ball. Yeah, and

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and not like Kevin said, there's no real I think
he might have had a turnover where they play. It
might have been his quarterback sneak that he fumbled on. Yeah,
that he ends up like just landing on the ball.

Speaker 1 (09:23):
That I mean.

Speaker 3 (09:24):
I don't know what they record for these but coctametric sites,
but I don't see anything resembling a turnover for a
while now, and that's the secret sauce. When May doesn't
turn the ball over, they win.

Speaker 1 (09:36):
Yeah, the only thing.

Speaker 3 (09:37):
And he's responsible for them winning, like he's putting the
offense on his back.

Speaker 5 (09:41):
Yeah yeah, I mean there's turnover where they play rate
as a rookie was three point five percent. He's now
down to two percent as a tenth best turnover worthy
play rate in the NFL for a guy that came
into the year with turnover concerns, and we saw it
against Pittsburgh. You know, we saw some of those come
up a little bit, but for the most party, he's
really that out and that has been really steady. I

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think the other encouraging part about it from an offense standpoint,
this was as open as Patriots receivers were getting down
the field as I've seen in years on their film.

Speaker 1 (10:12):
Like Pop Douglas.

Speaker 5 (10:13):
I know the one got taken back, but I'm talking
instructure open, like the first that actually counted.

Speaker 3 (10:19):
The first touchdown was a play action a little bit boom.

Speaker 2 (10:21):
That was the play, even the one that was way
off the mark. To Kyle Williams, Kyle Williams is wide open.
He just they I don't know if he cut the
wrong way the one yea later on?

Speaker 5 (10:33):
Yeah, yeah, Well so you know Pop is on the
first touchdown just running a little corner post and like
he just dusts the safety. Yeah, and he's just opened
by like ten yards safety.

Speaker 3 (10:43):
That was unbelievable coverage. You must have had a fun
time with that. The corner is letting them go, letting
Douglas go to the safety. Yeah, and the safety runs
the same direction as the corner.

Speaker 1 (10:51):
Yeah, it's like your whole job. You had one job.

Speaker 5 (10:54):
He doesn't, you know, gives a little nod to the
corner right, Like he gives a little fake like he
had a break on the corner and then he breaks
it on the post and he just separates like he
just to open field. Kaisehan Booty on his second touchdown,
same thing, you know, a little burst corner route, you know,
set up the inside and then break out on the
corner and the cornerback gets turned around. Cool, it just

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gets turned around like a top. And I'm watching it
yesterday and I'm like, when's the last time you could
see deep targets down the thin Yeah, I mean those moves, sure,
some of it, I'm sure, but you know, a lot
of it also is just you know, the way the
route is designed and the play is.

Speaker 2 (11:35):
Designed, you know, like getting that leverage and you know,
seeing where the leverage is and working against that.

Speaker 1 (11:41):
And yeah, you know, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5 (11:43):
I mean, you know, Booty's second touchdown is a route
that I've seen Julian Edelman run a hundred times, and
that's exactly what you do. You know, it looks like
it's a crossing route. You kind of fake to the inside,
get the corner to bite and come off his leverage
to the inside, and then you break out and you
can break out into open space and see two guys
on two downfield. You know, deep balls, get that open

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on a Patriots film. It's been a while. It's been
a while since they've done that. So you look at
the way teams are defending Drake and I wrote about
this and after further review all the single high structures
that they're getting with the post safeties and stuff like that,
if you keep playing them in single high safety, he's
torching you like he's leads the league in passer rating,

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leads the league in EPA, leads the league in passing
yards against those single high safeties, so if that's what
you keep doing against him, they they're making them pay
for stacking the box and doing the whole easy to
defend thing. They're not so easy to defend anymore.

Speaker 1 (12:40):
Wow, they are right now.

Speaker 2 (12:42):
But we're going to talk about that because one of
the other things that came out of this game was
the running game.

Speaker 5 (12:47):
Well, this is my point, is that they're putting eight
guys in the box to take away the run game,
and they're basically daring the outside receivers on the Patriots
to beat them. And every single week, the Patriots outside
receivers are going out there and winning these matchups. So
at some point in time, the defenses are going to
have to adjust and they're going to have to back
off the line of scrimmage and put two high safeties

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or play with more cushion, or whatever the case may be.

Speaker 1 (13:11):
And that's the chess match.

Speaker 6 (13:13):
Like.

Speaker 5 (13:13):
Once that starts to happen, now there's more rooms.

Speaker 2 (13:15):
So you think the running woes is because of eight
in the box.

Speaker 5 (13:18):
I think it's a big part of it. Now, there's
definitely other elements to it. It's not the only thing,
but I think a big part of it is that
the Patriots right now are seeing single high safety more
than any other offense in the NFL. They're number one
in the league in terms of single high safety rate
in the league. So out the book right now on
the Patriots is that they don't have the talent on
the outside. So you can put eight guys in the box,

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you can put your corners on islands, and the Patriots
are not going to be able to.

Speaker 1 (13:45):
Beat your coverage.

Speaker 5 (13:47):
And through six weeks they are third in the league
and total EPA through the air, So they're not just
beating the coverage, they are beating the coverage.

Speaker 1 (13:55):
At an elite level.

Speaker 5 (13:56):
So at some point the adjustment has to come back
the other way and the Patriots are going to be
defended differently.

Speaker 4 (14:02):
I was gonna ask you because I know sometimes the
numbers on next Gen are wrong, But we talked all
last week about them being a big Cover two team
and playing a.

Speaker 1 (14:11):
Lot of you know, did you see that, I mean,
you were there live.

Speaker 4 (14:14):
Did you feel like that was a conscious choice to
be like, We're going to try to spin the dialum
a little bit.

Speaker 1 (14:19):
We're going to play a lot of Cover one to
see if we can mess them up a little bit.
I mean, did it seem different.

Speaker 5 (14:23):
No, No, but the playing a lot of Cover three
and Cover one in this game New Orleans did. And
again I just think that these teams look on paper
at Keisham Boudi and to Mario Douglas and a thirty
one year old Stefon Diggs, and they come into these games,
you know, Matt Collins, and they don't think the Patriots
have a lot of talent at receiver. And we can

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have that conversation of do they have talent at receiver
or is Drake Maye just as good and he's just
putting the ball in places that can't be defense.

Speaker 1 (14:54):
And that's that's why.

Speaker 5 (14:56):
But regardless of the chicken or the egg like, it's happening,
you know. And so I think with the run game,
what happens when teams start to respect the Patriots passing
game and they back off a little bit and they
play a little bit two more too high shell, you
get that extra defender out of the box. Can they
still not run the ball at that point? Yeah, let's see,

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because right now that it's that's the blueprint and the
Patriots are torching the blueprint.

Speaker 3 (15:21):
And that's one of the things when we talked about
like three you know, I don't know, three or four
weeks ago, the offense was playing reasonably well. I thought
they had a good game in Miami.

Speaker 1 (15:29):
You know.

Speaker 3 (15:29):
The only game that they really didn't look good offensively
was the first game.

Speaker 1 (15:32):
You know.

Speaker 3 (15:32):
The other five games, I think they've they've been pretty Yeah,
they've been pretty productive. They haven't scored as much as
I would like, but they've moved the ball pretty well.
And in the other five games, and I would I
would say that they were lacking some of the chunk plays,
and I think I thought that's what was keeping the
score down. And now the last couple of games, you're

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starting to see some of those chunks.

Speaker 1 (15:55):
Sorry x's thank you, And you're starting to see some
of those.

Speaker 3 (16:00):
And you got you got three, you know, three passes
that he completed that traveled I think twenty five yards
or more in the air.

Speaker 1 (16:06):
Something like that.

Speaker 5 (16:07):
Three touchdowns, the three touchdowns, Like that's like that's directly
putting points on the board. And then you look at
that and you're like it was still only twenty five,
you know, like the week before, you're still only twenty three,
you know, getting these plays, so they're going to need
some support.

Speaker 1 (16:23):
Freddy's point from the other part of.

Speaker 2 (16:25):
The trip to the end zone where they got down
to the two with May's run, that was a waste.

Speaker 1 (16:30):
That was a wastee. That's got to be a touchdown
to get out. Yeah. Yeah, it's got to be a
touchdown on a field goal.

Speaker 5 (16:34):
Yeah, they're rush offense. Like I said, there's multiple reasons
as to why they're struggling. I think the biggest one
in this game was the blocking. Like they were blocking
in this game, struggled and they went backwards Mike.

Speaker 1 (16:46):
And I who haven't fun.

Speaker 2 (16:47):
That's what I want to get to because, like you know,
I know I'm looking at it from this, you know,
Layman's perspective, but I get the feeling that there's so
much emphasis on pass blocking and protecting May that when
they get to run block, they don't have that same fire,
Like it's almost like a relief. Okay, it's just a
run play. I don't have to worry about May, And

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they don't seem to be holding their block ye long enough.

Speaker 5 (17:14):
You know, there's some culprits of that, you know, in
this I thought in the first five weeks of the season,
they run blocking had been okay, not great but fine.
In this game, they went backwards six times, they had
six negative.

Speaker 1 (17:28):
Runs, and they had a lot of guys in the backfield.

Speaker 5 (17:30):
Yeah, I mean that's a season high. It was not
a good run blocking game. The Saints seem to have
a pretty good beat on what they wanted to do
in the run game, and when every time Jared Wilson pulled,
that guy was just firing right through his gap and
there was nobody there to block him. So they really
struggled to run block in this game consistently, just across

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the board on the offensive line. You know, I think
they still need a little bit more out of a
Winnu as a run blocker. I think Jared Wilson struggles
right now in the run game. I don't think he's
his power. I don't think he's quite big enough to
play guard. Will Campbell had some iffy moments in this
one as well, in the run game, you know, backside
cutoffs and things like that. So this is it's not

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one person, it never is. But across the board, they
had some rough reps of run blocking in this game
that they're going to have to clean up. But you know,
like the big thing here, and then you know, I
have there's obviously things to work on defensively, but like
these are first world problems again, Oh like this isn't
like they're only going to win four games because they
can't run block, Like this is.

Speaker 2 (18:35):
Like you'd rather have the problem now be running rather
than passing.

Speaker 1 (18:38):
Oh absolutely, Yeah.

Speaker 5 (18:40):
They're four and two, so like they're not losing games
because of this necessarily, But the run blocking is an issue.
I mean, they get down on the goal line, they
have two runs from like the two yard line, they
get nowhere they go backwards actually on the penalty right,
So you know, you just can't you can't have those
kinds of runs.

Speaker 1 (18:58):
You know.

Speaker 2 (18:58):
And then I also think I truly believe that Remandre's mind,
you know, about protecting the ball effects is running that.

Speaker 1 (19:06):
Yes, yeah, I think there's probably a little too to that.

Speaker 3 (19:09):
But the numbers for Henderson aren't any good either, So
I think what Evan's talking about is valid. I mean,
that's he's breaking it down. Mike and I just using
sort of the eyeball test during the course of the game,
because there was you know, I'm not suggesting that you
were one of these guys, but there was this notion
that it's the blocking's fine, it's all on the backs,

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like you know, the EPA is. You know this, and
I know Henderson in particular, I think has a negative EPA,
one of the worst in the league. There have been opportunities,
I think individually with big plays like they might have
like a twelve yard run where it's there and a
guy's missing a cut or not seeing it right and
not maximizing a big play, and I know that can

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skew the numbers. I don't think there's been a ton
of that. I think there's been a lot. Now, this
might have been the worst game to Evans point. He
has the numbers, so I'm going to trust him. Where
they have the atration, like.

Speaker 5 (20:00):
Yeaheen yards before contact for the entire game.

Speaker 3 (20:05):
You go on that that goal line, you know, sequence again,
so it's first and goal from the two. Right, you
got a one yard run, maybe even inside the one,
nothing wrong with that, and a goal line, good tough run.
The next one you lose three yards and they had
no shot, They had no chance on that. It was
one of those I think, you know, like if you
go back and look, I think we were talking about

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Godja like pointing like he's.

Speaker 1 (20:28):
Like Wilson find up off the line like you could.
I don't know if they're tipping it.

Speaker 3 (20:33):
You know, the inexperience that picked you know that tipping
the power or whatever the play is going to be.
I don't want to get too much in ex of those,
that's not my thing. But like it just looks like
they know what's coming. Yeah, and that's not the running
back's fault. I know he's he probably is trading on
old the ball. But no, no, this was this was like
a narrative last week that suddenly developed.

Speaker 5 (20:54):
Because the metrics are you know, back that up for
the first five weeks of the season. Your eyes don't, okay,
but I'm just I'm not telling you that the run
blocking was fantastic. I'm telling you I said definitely wasn't
on that ye're blocking about the first five weeks of
the season. And still like the Patriots right now are
thirty second in the league and yards after contact generated

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by their running backs, so the worst tackle breaking running
back group in the league.

Speaker 3 (21:20):
It's not a very explosive, so they don't break. Henderson
has been running right into tacklers. I mean, I think
that's active, they don't.

Speaker 5 (21:25):
Break any tackles, they don't add any yards onto the blocking.
So in this game, I'm not this game was separate
like this gamestand what you're saying. The first five weeks
of the season, I think they should have been the
twentieth best run blocking running team instead of the thirty second.
So I can live with that, right, they were talking
about and what we deal with this, like you know, oh,

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this yard is all over the field, just the running
backs of the problem.

Speaker 1 (21:49):
You got to get rid of Stevenson.

Speaker 5 (21:50):
It's like the running backs are a problem, to be clear,
a problem, not the problem.

Speaker 1 (21:54):
Yeah, agreed, but the right they just explained it perfectly.

Speaker 5 (21:57):
I think they need more from the running game, and
they need more from the running backs. Like I get it,
he's fumbled the ball three times, he fumbled it seven
times last year. It's in his head. And I totally
understand that with Ramandre Stevenson. But you know, they they
can't really get away with this, like they just don't
have enough production on the ground and they don't break
any tackles. So like when you look at the great

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running backs, are the guys that are adding yards to
what's blocked because.

Speaker 1 (22:25):
Barkley, like Christian McCaffrey.

Speaker 5 (22:27):
Those guys are breaking tackles, they're making guys miss, they're
seeing cutback lanes and setting up blocks to make blocks
better to ten. Yeah, and they just don't get that
out of their backs. But you know, the other thing
that I think really stood out to me in this
one was just a little bit with the rookies, Like
I just I didn't really think either rookie run blocked

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particularly well. I think in particular, you know, Jared Wilson
was rough. Uh, And so I think that there's room
to grow for both of those guys significantly. And you know,
well it's just like, yeah, I think there's room to girl.

Speaker 7 (23:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (23:08):
I mean I've noticed these games over my career now
of like like there's certain games where it's like a
pot pourri of whose turn is it to make a
mistake this time? You know, and it's like it's never
just one thing that you point to and you're like, man,
just you know the left tackle, Like it was like
one of those games where it's like and now you're
going to screw up, and now this guy who hasn't
screwed up, he's going to screw up. You know, like
I've seen those games before and that's why I have

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a little bit of hope along with like not breaking
tackles like that feeds into me to the verable thing
of stop worrying about fumbling, Like you got to just
try to get away from guys. You can't just the
second somebody's going to hit you and crumble. You know,
hopefully they get some confidence maybe like they do start.

Speaker 3 (23:45):
An example of that where I would say Evans analysis
is is on with the third and seven.

Speaker 1 (23:51):
Draw that we all hated.

Speaker 3 (23:52):
Yeah, in the first half of the one drive in
the first half that resulted in no points third and
seven draw, Like there's not a lot of contact there,
and like Stevenson just goes down.

Speaker 1 (24:05):
Oh okay, but.

Speaker 5 (24:08):
Like you know, stay on your feet. But yeah, it
just it's tough to watch their run game at times
because if it's situationally good, then I think you can
get away with it. If they're good in short yardage,
if they're good on the goal line, like those types
of things.

Speaker 3 (24:22):
The second iteration of the dynasty basically was that it
was a Brady heavy offense, but when it was formulted offense,
they could grind out first downs when it's goal to
goal situations, they could run it in with Garrett Blunt
and those kinds of guys. You know, now, situationally it's
all on May like you're third and eleven because you

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can't run the ball at all at the end of
the game. Well, now, fortunately May's played at such a
high level it hasn't mattered.

Speaker 2 (24:49):
So it's as Evan said, it's first world problems. And
you know that's a developing story the run game. But
right now the big story is Drake may Uh is
amazing as we started the thing. And the other development
is Efton Chisholm returning kicks.

Speaker 1 (25:08):
He's just one make a step away.

Speaker 2 (25:10):
He's one step away from getting in there.

Speaker 1 (25:13):
He got two snaps on offense, both kneel downs. He
want him there on.

Speaker 4 (25:18):
Those neil downs just so no one could we need it,
just so no one could say we're going to see
him on offense.

Speaker 1 (25:24):
Yes, they say, what you did?

Speaker 2 (25:25):
And I think he looked adequate returning kicks he got
up there.

Speaker 5 (25:29):
You know, it's a Rabel's talked a lot about wanting
that play to be like a weapon for them. Without Henderson,
it's not going to be a weapon. Like if they
don't have Henderson and Gibson back there. Gibson Gibson's hurt,
so obviously he's not going to be back there.

Speaker 1 (25:43):
Now.

Speaker 5 (25:44):
It's more like, can we get the thirty yard line
and not turn it over? And I guess that's just
the world that they're gonna have, not.

Speaker 1 (25:50):
Turning it over. Yeah, yeah, fifteen fouls all right, and
we did hit seventeen foul walls.

Speaker 2 (25:57):
Good stuff, good stuff, all right?

Speaker 8 (25:59):
Anything else before we turn over to talk about the
defense a little bit because I, you know, Ivan after
further review and you know, and I and it's uh
interesting to me.

Speaker 4 (26:09):
Because you know, we said Spencer Ratler completes a lot
of passes, and you know, really, my my impression was,
I I started things off with giving Spencer Ratler some credit.

Speaker 1 (26:17):
I thought, you know, I didn't the pressure numbers were weird.

Speaker 4 (26:19):
I mean, by what next Gen said, this was like
the best Patriots pressure game of the whole season, which,
you know, to Paul's eyeball test, didn't really totally jive
with me. But I do think that Spencer Ratler did
a good job of navigating quickly and getting the ball
out quickly, and you know, My impression, and Evan wrote
about it too, is you know, it seemed like we're
going to give some cushion. We're not going to get

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beat over the top by these fast guys, and we're
just gonna come up and see if Spencer Ratler can
continually execute and complete passes and not make mistakes. And
I kind of think he did, you know, and it's
it's they completed a lot, and you know what, for
me watching the tape, it's just frustrating because it's.

Speaker 1 (26:55):
Like, you know, what do you do? Do you do
you press them more? Do you try to live the sword,
die by the sword and be.

Speaker 4 (27:01):
Willing to give up some big plays but try to
take away the But it seemed right off the bat
they wanted.

Speaker 2 (27:06):
To blitz him pressures that he's been doing this. This
wasn't like an outlier for him. His completion even.

Speaker 1 (27:14):
Better than it's been.

Speaker 3 (27:15):
But I agree with Mike. I was expecting a lot
of little dump offs and checkdowns.

Speaker 1 (27:19):
I was.

Speaker 3 (27:20):
I'm with Mike. I was impressed with Rattler in this game.
I thought he played well. I thought he got the
ball down the field. But Patriots had three plays. I mean,
I'm sorry, four players of twenty one or more yards.

Speaker 1 (27:32):
The Saints had three. Yeah, let me ask you question.
I was surprised by that.

Speaker 5 (27:35):
I thought it was going to be checked down city
without when I saw his completion percentage in the yards
Chrysal Lovey was averaging like seven yards of catch.

Speaker 1 (27:42):
He was in this game. He averaged sixteen in this game,
and he dropped three passes. He might have averaged way
more than that. For next Gen, he held the ball.

Speaker 5 (27:50):
What constitutes the pressure, So next Gen and Pro Football
Focus do it differently. So next Gen is the tracking data.
They use the chips and the pads for proximity to
the quarterback. Which is why I don't really love it,
because because like you have if you're on the other
side of the offensive lineman but you're getting you know,
walked back.

Speaker 1 (28:08):
Yeah, you're like exactly right. So it's not as good.

Speaker 5 (28:11):
Pro Football Focus, uh watches the tape and grades the
tape and sees if guys are winning, you know, be
winning their blocks. I thought that the Patriots defensive line
was pretty good in this game, and I thought that
there was you know, this is where we get into
the conversation of like what is a impactful pressure and
what's just like a drive by. Yeah, And I think

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that that's where the conversation is with the coverage, is
like it's hard to get legitimate pressure on a quarterback
when he's getting the ball out in two point six
seconds because there's open receivers for him to throw the
ball to down the field. So like if you have
you know, Christian Barmer is winning, you know inside, but

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Chris a Lave is wide open in a slant window
right behind him, It's like, yeah, that's a hurry. But
like it did rather really feel that pressure or not?
And I thought that was the case in a lot
of these games. Is I think like the defensive line
looks like it's primed to like kind of take over
some of these games, and they just week and they
just can't cover for long enough in the back end.

Speaker 2 (29:17):
So in order to play that complimentary type of defense,
does the you know, does the coverage need to press
down a little bit more and not give so much
of a cushion.

Speaker 5 (29:28):
I was so they did against Buffalo that the plan
against Buffalo is to play man to man, impress the
receivers and challenge the receivers to beat them, and and
the Patriots defense won more rounds than they lost against
the Bills. In this game, they played like seventy percent
zone coverage. Everything was in front of them. My guess
is that first play to a Lave kind of spooked

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them a little bit and said, you know, maybe there's
more speed on the field. And you know, she heeds
extremely fast. A Lave is a good downfield route runner,
so that I think they backed off a little bit
this game. And I know I was getting it during
the game, like, is it are they really giving him
that much cushion because it looks like on TV that
they are, and the numbers in the film bared that out.
You know, they were giving them quite a bit of

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off coverage and cushion on the outside, And just like
Deuce was saying, they kind of were just making Ratler
dice him up.

Speaker 3 (30:17):
Yeah, And I, like I said, I don't want to
take that away from Rattler. I thought he threw the
ball pretty well. I think he actually threw the ball
better than his numbers would indicate. I thought he was
let down a couple of times by a Lave. I mean,
one of the biggest plays of the game was was
Chucky Trees, you know, forcing that fumble that they didn't
call a fumble because for some reason, the officials just

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decided not to watch the game this week. And this
is not a Patriots or Saints thing. There were a
number of questionable calls in the game period, all over the.

Speaker 1 (30:47):
Place, mostly on the Patriots.

Speaker 3 (30:48):
See the ball that Charles Woods knocks out of a
lobby that was a third and seventeen and that's going
to be twenty yards and he had I mean, it
was a great, great catch by a lave, but it
was a catch in a bumble. It should have been
but that that's one of those underrated plays that that
forces a punt because he knocks the ball out and
they call it incomplete.

Speaker 1 (31:10):
There was a play on the on this. I think
there was a little.

Speaker 3 (31:13):
Double move that he had on Carlton Davis where Davis
had a tug them. Like, I was impressed with the Saints'
ability to get the ball downfield in this game, which
I didn't really anticipate was going to be a problem
at all. And I think Evan's right the first play
may have kind of spooked them from that point on.
And you know, I give the Patriots defense a lot
of credit for two things one. The red zone defense

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has been an issue for most of the season. It
was excellent in this game. They came up with a
number of stops and forced field goals and I'm not
you know, maybe some of them weren't technically in the
red zone, but they were red zone adjacent. Now I
think they had at least I think they had at
least three that were in the red zone that they
came they forced field goals on. And the other thing
is this is now becoming a pattern. They did it

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against Miami, they did it to a lesser extent against Buffalo,
forcing the field goal to tie rather than the touchdown
to go ahead. And then in this game when they
had to come up with plays defensively, they were able
to do it. Now they got a little fortunate in
this one that Lobby drops a second down pass that
somehow Adam AlCH Archoletta said he was not quite able
to get his hands on, even though it hit him.

Speaker 1 (32:18):
In both hands.

Speaker 3 (32:21):
But they got that stop. The previous play a good
punch out by Christian Ellis on a play in Patriots territory.
The Saints are moving on that Juwan Johnson pass. Nice
punch out there, so situational. I think the Patriots defense
has been pretty good. And we might look at the
numbers and say, well, you know, it seems like the
other teams moving they are, but when it counts, the

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Patriots are making the plays.

Speaker 2 (32:45):
And you mentioned situationally, isn't it nice to have a
coach who you know, knows the situation and you know
can throw a red flag in this type of situation?

Speaker 1 (32:56):
That is key.

Speaker 2 (32:57):
I mean that late challenge was that ended the game?

Speaker 1 (33:01):
That ended the game?

Speaker 4 (33:03):
The game anyway, argument with Joe Murray and the postgame
show about that, all right, what was the what was
the argument?

Speaker 1 (33:09):
Well, Joe said, you know, what do you think of
that play? It effectively ended you know what, it basically
ended the game? Was how big was that play? And
he was the protector was like, well, I don't know, I.

Speaker 4 (33:17):
Mean they you know it was then then he's laid
off like what it would have been when they would
have gotten the ball back with like forty seconds.

Speaker 3 (33:23):
I mean, the game was over the way, but it
officially allowed them to just take mews in the clock
was going to run out.

Speaker 5 (33:28):
Right, Yeah, last couple of years of games never any credit,
but a couple of couple I didn't take.

Speaker 1 (33:34):
I talk about better, but I was going to say
Mark thought Marcus Jones was excellent again in this game,
really two straight games. Excellent as a defensive running back
all over the proving, I mean, blitzing, covering guys, three
big third down plays I think he was involved in
for stops.

Speaker 4 (33:51):
And Christianell has showing a little bit too. I mean
not not just the you know, the the force fumble,
but you know, getting hands on the ball like you know, around.

Speaker 1 (33:58):
Several ties here. I actually thought he made two good plays.

Speaker 5 (34:02):
I thought you were you were on a good track,
Marcus Jes right.

Speaker 1 (34:07):
Stick with Marcus Jones. Yeah about the finger way, he
made a couple of plays.

Speaker 5 (34:13):
He did get it and he did make a couple
of plays.

Speaker 1 (34:15):
I'll give him. Marcus Jones, Oh is your guy? I
was pretty good?

Speaker 9 (34:23):
He is.

Speaker 1 (34:24):
I thought Farmer had a couple of reps. Yeah, Farmer.

Speaker 5 (34:27):
They've been grading. I mean the run defense has been great.
This is it's a weird defense because the numbers, uh
you know, yards, efficiency metrics, you know, passer rating allowed,
like they're not good. And then they're only giving up
twenty points a game, which is seventh in the league.
So they're the seventh ranked scoring defense in the NFL,
but they're twenty fifth and passer rating allowed, Like those

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things don't normally go what it is.

Speaker 4 (34:51):
It's like Pauls thing like Paul said about like the
Patriots could situationally just run the ball when they needed to.

Speaker 1 (34:55):
It's almost like the defense is kind of like that.
I feel like too, where when they need to get
the stop or they need to get you know.

Speaker 5 (35:00):
They make it second halves too, like they've they've done
a nice job of adjusting three points in the second half. Yeah,
and they really got rather back down to earth in
the second half of this game statistically too. But they
came out in the first quarter and they have the
Saints were averaging like nine yards of play. You know,
they were just going right down the field on them.

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And then they tightened up in the red zone. They
forced field goals and they keep the scoring down. But yeah,
you know, they're they're not good in terms of their
past defense, Like statistically it's not good, but then you
look up and they only have nineteen points. So it's
I don't know, I never know what to make of
defense is like that.

Speaker 3 (35:36):
This one was the big football math game, like they
just kept forcing field goals and the Patriots got touchdowns
and that was the difference.

Speaker 1 (35:44):
This was a sinky part of me. That's like, you know, wondering, pondering.

Speaker 4 (35:47):
We've seen some Patriots defenses in the past that would
just absolutely dominate the crappy teams and the meaningless downs,
and then you know when they get into a tough
game I'm talking about twenty nineteen where they really need
to have it, like they can't do it. You know,
is this defense maybe not the opposite, but a weird,
demented version of that where it's.

Speaker 3 (36:06):
Like they know when they played a tough teams, right,
I mean, they passed the first.

Speaker 4 (36:11):
And that's why I don't really want to like, you know,
stake my flag and it's just yet. But it's almost
like I feel great, like third and seven end of
the game, like they need to have it.

Speaker 1 (36:19):
I feel great about the Patriots defense.

Speaker 4 (36:21):
Whereas you know, third and five middle of the game,
like I don't they're probably gonna get that.

Speaker 3 (36:25):
I'd be happy if it was third and five at
the beginning of the game. They don't get it down.
That's these games, you know, what you want to know
one of Mike's big thumbs down was after this game
second down defense, but that was.

Speaker 4 (36:36):
Kind of like it was a weird and then looking
back on it, it was also connected to the first
down defense.

Speaker 1 (36:40):
The first and second down. Like their run defense is good,
they're getting to the field on third down.

Speaker 5 (36:44):
But you know, they don't start well on defense. And
if you want to point, you can point to any
one thing you know, is a game plan?

Speaker 7 (36:52):
Is it?

Speaker 5 (36:53):
You know, getting getting guys ready to play, which I
think is cliche and corny, but like whatever it is
that is making struggled, They've basically struggled in the first
quarter defensively of every single game.

Speaker 1 (37:04):
I agree.

Speaker 3 (37:04):
I think the other team has had a better plan
to start the game. And now give the Patriots staff
a lot of credit. I think, like Evan said, they've
adjusted and they've it's definitely been better as the game
has gone on.

Speaker 5 (37:15):
These defenses remind me a little bit of the Patricia defenses.
And I know I'm going to say that and people
are going to freak out, but like the ben.

Speaker 1 (37:21):
Don't break and like the you know defenses like that, yeah,
se And that's what it reminds me of them. Not
a little Russian three.

Speaker 3 (37:30):
If you can tell me that they'll continue to be
good situationally like they have been, then I think this
is really good defense in the modern.

Speaker 1 (37:37):
And right, that's right, That's kind of what I was
getting at.

Speaker 3 (37:39):
That's that's why, to Devin's point, they're sitting at twenty
points allowed in top what the seventh seventh time, because
they're able to make the plays and the key downs.
I think the days of a defense just going out
there and two thousand Baltimore Ravens and you know, throwing their.

Speaker 1 (37:56):
Ray Lewis on the field dominating.

Speaker 3 (37:58):
I don't think you see a lot of teams do
that stuff anymore, not against good offense in anyway.

Speaker 4 (38:03):
Seattle, I watched a little that Seattle game against Jacksonville
and they have a very good defense.

Speaker 1 (38:08):
So that's one defense that I jumps off the field consistently,
just all over the place.

Speaker 5 (38:13):
It would just be nice to see it better some
one start, like start hot one one week.

Speaker 1 (38:18):
But I think we want to get a lot were
trying to do. We're going to get a lot of
things that were looking I mean it's not Wednesday yet.
I'm not ready to move ahead, but I think you
can get waiting for it tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (38:29):
But I think against the Saints they wanted to start
fast on defense and then they got.

Speaker 1 (38:33):
Burned butts getting into this game offensive twenty third down there.

Speaker 5 (38:38):
Yeah, It's just the defense thing is kind of breaking
my brain a little bit because, like all the metrics
suggests they should be a bad defense, but they're not
giving up a ton of points. And like I said,
it reminds me a lot of those Patricia Belichick defenses
that just were good situationally and good when it counted
and you know, made plays, but like they have some

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issues and.

Speaker 3 (38:59):
It's not like forcing a ton of turnovers and that's
keeping points off the board. You know, I mean turn
over here or there. You know the Buffalo game, that
was a big part of the game, but it wasn't
a big part of this game.

Speaker 4 (39:11):
You know, who else I like to have in this
one was Woodson, Like I just you know, I just
seeing the contrast of him and Kyle Dugger and Craig.
Woodson seems like a natural free safety who sees the
game from that position. He knows how to come down
and navigate traffic and get to guys, and you know,
nothing against Kyle Dugger. I think he's a little bit

(39:31):
more suited to play in the old style and play
in the box. But you know, just you could see
some of the recognition stuff with Craig Woodson where it
clicks and he's got a path to the ball and
he goes and he's a sound tackler, and you know,
Dougger sometimes still seems like he's kind of lost in
space a little bit, you know, get running into guys
that kind of thing. But I think it's hard to
tell for me, like watching the game on TV, to

(39:52):
really evaluate a free safety, especially because most of the
time Woodson's out of the frame when we're watching him.
But there's one guy when I go back and watch,
it's just he's he's smooth, you know, the kind of
like Darron Harmon a little bit, you know, just looks
comfortable on the back end, reads the play well, comes down,
makes happen.

Speaker 1 (40:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (40:07):
I thought last week he was sort of flashing a
little bit more in the game against Buffalo. I really
like his play speed. I think he plays fast and
I think he plays hard. Now sometimes they got to
get him pointed in the right direction, and like any rookie,
you know that that's really the main thing. But in
this game, I think he had three or four run stuffs,

(40:29):
He had a pressure on a blitz, stayed over the
top of a couple vertical routes as deep help. But
I thought this was his best game, and he looks
like he's starting to understand his role in the big
picture and now all that kind of stuff a lot more.
So I'm encouraged by him. But they're still getting you know,
they still have issues in between the numbers in the
middle of the field. Like you know, defending passes through

(40:51):
the middle of the field is still the weakest part
of the defense. Like I know that Davis Gonzo gave
up a few in this game, but they're really not
getting torch too bad most weeks, you know, like they're
one catch or two catches a game for both those guys.
It's those inbreaking routes through the middle of the field
that I are killing them.

Speaker 1 (41:09):
I just you know, one more point I want to
make about it.

Speaker 4 (41:11):
Watching this defense now, so much talk about the safeties
and how they're going to use them, and you know,
it is definitely way different, but they still use these
guys blitzing, dropping coming up on the line covering.

Speaker 1 (41:23):
I mean, they do everything.

Speaker 4 (41:25):
It's it just seems like it's going to be a
really key position for them to figure out going forward,
but also just such a critical one that these guys
could really make a difference in this team, especially if
you know Woodson elevates it to another level here, you know,
as he continues to progress.

Speaker 1 (41:39):
All right.

Speaker 2 (41:39):
Eight five to five Pats five hundred is the hotline
podcasts at Patriots dot com. It's the way to email us.
I see a lot of emails coming in. The phones
are are jacked up, So let's let's get to see
what you have to say about this edition of the Patriots.
Todd's in North Carolina. What's up Todd?

Speaker 10 (42:00):
Hey guys, what in a wonderful time to have a show.
So that's going to lead into my three points, and
I will take your answers off the air. Number One,
I think everyone's going to be giving us their best shot.
They do not want to see the Patriots back being relevant.
Number I think the sneaky need is not running back.
But I think we need to figure out our linebackers.

(42:20):
I don't know if we have to get somebody in
or change what we were doing, but that feels like
the big And finally, what did the Pats have to
do till we till we get back to twelve hours
of programming each week instead of the eightish we got
right now? And that's guys, what does.

Speaker 2 (42:34):
He mean by that twelve hours of program instead of eight?

Speaker 1 (42:38):
I don't know anyway.

Speaker 5 (42:41):
Linebackers, Yeah, I think Chrispolane has sort of settled down
and his run his run defense is really really good
and he's doing what he's supposed to do. There they
don't cover particularly well, and that's still a problem for
the group as a whole. So yeah, I mean next year,
a guy next to Splaine who can really cover and

(43:03):
and you know play in the past game and that
sort of thing I think is at the top of
the list to maybe upgrade that Ellis Jack Gibbons spot.
They played a lot more bass the last couple of
weeks too, so they've had, you know, three true linebackers.
With Tavai coming back, they've done a little bit more
of that. Uh So I could see them wanting to

(43:23):
We've been talking about it for what five years that
they need a linebacker that can cover.

Speaker 1 (43:28):
So they still need that.

Speaker 5 (43:30):
That's still need.

Speaker 1 (43:31):
Christians in LA. What's up, Christian?

Speaker 11 (43:34):
You know what souff we are in? Can you guys
stay with me? First place in the division?

Speaker 1 (43:40):
Yeah, it's week six, but just to.

Speaker 11 (43:45):
See the Patriots first place of division means something to
us fans that have been flogging around for the last
five years waiting for something good to happen. I'm gonna
take it.

Speaker 1 (43:55):
I agree, this is the best.

Speaker 11 (43:57):
This is the best that we've been in five years.
I love that we're play quick point on on the
guys and how they're how they're playing. I think they've
bought in the Vaible system, and I absolutely think that
we can come out of this October seven and two.
I'll take it off the air. Good to be a
pass fan.

Speaker 1 (44:13):
Guys, huh okay. I do this little trick.

Speaker 2 (44:16):
I always look at how many they have left into
They have eleven games left. They're four and two, So
if they go like five hundred with the eleven, let's
say six and five, that's ten wins.

Speaker 1 (44:26):
Yeah, you know, yeah, that's so like. But how many
games in October do they have left?

Speaker 5 (44:30):
I think three? Right is the Atlanta game technically in October.

Speaker 1 (44:33):
So they could come out with Tennessee seven and two,
Cleveland five, or anything in between. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (44:40):
I mean, if you look at the schedule, a lot
of these games that early on we owe Giants.

Speaker 1 (44:43):
That's a win.

Speaker 2 (44:44):
Giants are playing better, Cleveland could be a tough out,
Atlanta's playing better.

Speaker 1 (44:49):
The schedule is good.

Speaker 3 (44:51):
Yeah, Like their quarterback is just developing. So I think
people think the Patriots.

Speaker 1 (44:55):
Will win that game.

Speaker 5 (44:56):
But they have a lot of talent, but they have
absolutely you know lasts, So a.

Speaker 2 (45:02):
Lot of these games that you thought were pushover as folks,
they're not. They're not. So let's not get ahead of ourselves.

Speaker 1 (45:09):
I do think this one is.

Speaker 3 (45:14):
I think it's going to be cland I do not
think is going to be a push I disagree.

Speaker 5 (45:19):
I mean, I don't see how Cleveland's offense is going
to score.

Speaker 2 (45:21):
That's probably why the Pictures win. They go, but they
get into rock fights with teams.

Speaker 3 (45:25):
I think, like you look at the games they just
they just played at Pittsburgh and it was kind of
one of those kinds of games and I think Rogers
had his best game of the year, and and you
know they kind of put it away late.

Speaker 1 (45:36):
With a touchdown against the Jets.

Speaker 2 (45:38):
Well, I just let's not get ahead over our skis
here what I mean, now, these these teams can be
tougher than you think of. The Jets look pretty bad though,
but okay, so no, that's a good point. Jets in
Miami look really bad right now. But in any season
it was tough to run the table in your own division.

Speaker 3 (45:59):
I would rarely even that. Like, Miami looks really bad.
Miami had to leave with thirty seconds left in the
last two games. That's right, right, So yeah, you might
win the.

Speaker 5 (46:08):
Game, but I don't think you're gonna win it forty
eight to nothing the way you think they're gonna win it.

Speaker 7 (46:11):
Right.

Speaker 1 (46:12):
You know when I say you, I mean the Royal.

Speaker 12 (46:14):
I know what you you?

Speaker 1 (46:15):
Yeah, you people.

Speaker 5 (46:16):
Yeah, I don't think anybody's picking them to win thirty
eight to nothing.

Speaker 1 (46:19):
But like.

Speaker 5 (46:21):
The Titans and the Browns are two games that are
easily should be winning.

Speaker 1 (46:24):
The Titans, I don't see any possible way they lose.
I agree with you on that.

Speaker 3 (46:28):
The Browns, I would give them like a ninety plus
percent chance to win. I do respect the Browns defense
and the ability of a guy like Miles Garrett to
cause problems in a game and keep it close, and
if it's close, you never know. But I would think
the Patriot should win those two games. They'll be favored,
no doubt they're going to be favored.

Speaker 1 (46:47):
Yeah, thous about. I mean, they're probably going to be
favored against the.

Speaker 5 (46:49):
Feltons too, once they get through the Browns and the Titans.
Like the schedule does have hard you know, like I
could easily see them going two and two in the
next four Yeah, easily.

Speaker 1 (47:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (47:01):
But if even if they are two and two, and
then that's great.

Speaker 2 (47:06):
If you go six and five or five and six,
that's nine or ten wins you finish the season, and.

Speaker 1 (47:11):
If you win ten, you're gonna be in the playoffs
most likely. Yeah. Uh, let's go to Seattle. Will go
to Anthony. What's up Anthony?

Speaker 6 (47:22):
Hey, it was up my people. Hey, Hey, how's my
connection today?

Speaker 1 (47:26):
Sweet? Good?

Speaker 13 (47:27):
Okay, good good.

Speaker 6 (47:28):
I'm sorry I have my headphones on last time and
I was in the gym and anyway, hey, uh, I
love that Atlanta followed our blueprint by just giving the
bill as a healthy dose of a guy.

Speaker 2 (47:38):
Named Drake, right, Drake London had a good game there.

Speaker 6 (47:41):
Yeah, listen, I'll be quick today. Man, it's dude, it's
fun being a Patriots fan.

Speaker 1 (47:47):
Again, I'm sorry, was it fun? Finally a camera.

Speaker 6 (47:51):
I gotta tell you, everything changes, like with the quarterback
and the quarterback play and the level.

Speaker 13 (47:56):
He's playing at.

Speaker 6 (47:57):
I'm trying to just kind of hold surf because we're
only six games into this season. But man, it's like
the feeling I have when watching that game, and then
like I'm listening to the post game show and some
of the things you guys brought up, like.

Speaker 13 (48:07):
You know, uh, the uh what is it?

Speaker 6 (48:10):
The back the passing he talked, he pitched back to uh,
Treyvon Henderson, and you know, Paul's like, I mean, I'm
a little worried about that, and I'm just thinking it's fine,
you know. And then like and like the when we
didn't score, when we got down to the one yard
line and didn't score, Like in my like, as I
was watching the game, my feeling was like, oh man,
but then it was like, it's fine, we'll get Like
I didn't think those are the last points of the game.

(48:30):
It's just everything's like fine and good now. And it's
but Paul, I do understand what you what you mean, Yeah,
we don't want those turn into into like bad plays.
But I do feel like our margin for error or
our path is broken it down. It has increased substantially
with the emergence of our quarterback and our ability to score.
So I don't know, man' it's it's a good time

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right now, go.

Speaker 1 (48:52):
Ahead, thanks Anthony, it is it's good times right now. Yeah,
good times.

Speaker 10 (48:56):
I know.

Speaker 5 (48:56):
I think what you already asked him, if that was
a no, no, yes.

Speaker 1 (48:59):
Bro Henderson.

Speaker 5 (49:01):
I don't know if he got lucky or if he
saw it, but like there's no flat like they they
bust the coverage and they don't have a flat defender
on that side.

Speaker 1 (49:08):
I think he got lucky.

Speaker 3 (49:09):
I just don't think those are things that the coaches
would want to see on a consistent basis. And that's
three times they've seen him in the last four weeks.

Speaker 5 (49:15):
Sure, I just if he is already seeing the field
so well that he's recognizing that there's nobody out there
with Henderson like, then that's like next level.

Speaker 10 (49:25):
You know.

Speaker 5 (49:26):
If that was the case, then I would agree with
you that he's standing there in the post skeptical, and
you know, he's looking down the field and you can
see the coverage is tilted a certain way, and like
there's just nobody out there with Henderson, so like he
even though he flips it, and I know when people
see that, I get why you're like, what is he doing.

Speaker 1 (49:41):
Well to me? But there's no threat of it being
flipped it to him?

Speaker 3 (49:45):
I would say, fine, he flipped it up in the
air and it just kind of floated, like even if
there's someone like I just don't know how you know
that there's no one that Like like the one the
previous week against two Diggs, there was a guy there.
If he've thrown the the same way and it floated,
that guy may have turned around and been able to
make a play on it.

Speaker 1 (50:04):
Like that's what I would worry about.

Speaker 3 (50:06):
And again, very similar to what he did against Pittsburgh,
gonna cost him the game, Like they're going in to
win the game and he fumbles trying to do one.

Speaker 1 (50:13):
Of those plays.

Speaker 3 (50:14):
So that's that's all, Like, but this is the different
The best part about this whole thing is you can
treat this team like that again, like you're starting to
talk about these little individual plays like you know, like
that was really good. He ended up making a nine
yard playout of nothing and you end up winning a game,
that's great, but you know you might be careful with that.

Speaker 1 (50:34):
Whereas we used to be like, well, you know with
four and thirteen. At least that was a fun play.

Speaker 3 (50:38):
You know, they made a play Like, no, you're starting
to talk about playoffs and you know, matchups and different
things down the road.

Speaker 5 (50:45):
You just wonder if he needs it right, Like, yeah,
he's so good that like they'll just make it up
on the next play that they didn't hit right to
check that out.

Speaker 2 (50:53):
Right, you know, drives don't stall because of one false start,
which was happening over the last two years consistently.

Speaker 1 (51:01):
Yeah, no, it's fair.

Speaker 5 (51:02):
I think the play in Pittsburgh, to me, is a
little bit different because he held the ball for so long.
Like these two plays, they wasn't the ball was not
you know that it was like one of those like
extended like four and a half second dropbacks. These ones
are happening faster. But I think that that's part of
his game, is he's kind of this trick shot guy

(51:22):
and like we're just gonna if it works.

Speaker 7 (51:25):
You know.

Speaker 5 (51:26):
I was watching the game, you know, the Bills game
last night with with just and some of the things
that Josh Allen does that usually works are just suddenly
are just not working as much the last couple of weeks,
like he had similar play where he rolled to his
left and he tried to flip it out. I think
it was to James Cook and it didn't get there.

Speaker 2 (51:44):
It's tough when the windows, you know, closing, it's tough
to get those plays.

Speaker 5 (51:49):
I've seen him do stuff like that a thousand times,
and now all of a sudden, like things aren't going
their way, and he's like.

Speaker 1 (51:55):
That's what.

Speaker 3 (51:55):
But these are things that Mahomes and Allen were criticized
for initially until they work more often than not. And
when May establishes that they work more often than not,
people won't talk about it as much. And when he
makes a mistake in one of those spots, you'll say,
you got to take that mistake because he just made
a hundred great plays doing that, and that's the one
that was a mistake. Do you know what I'm saying

(52:16):
Right now, we're just sort of learning. It's not something
I agree with everan one thousand percent. It's not something
I would criticize.

Speaker 2 (52:23):
Now.

Speaker 3 (52:25):
These are just things that you file away, you know,
against Washington in the preseason when everybody yelled at us
from making such a big deal out of a preseason game.
It was a fumble, holding the ball too long, trying
to make a play when it wasn't there. Against Pittsburgh,
same thing, holding the ball too long, trying to make
a play. Now you're starting to see when he holds
the ball or tries to improv and.

Speaker 1 (52:44):
He is making plays. So you see the positive side
of it.

Speaker 3 (52:48):
As long as that ledger ends up being more positives,
like a lot more positives. The way Mahomes and Allen
have done their whole career. Brett frev did that trap
all the time.

Speaker 5 (52:57):
He's gotten so much better at the ball, security in
the pocket. He's got two hands on the ball a
lot now and he's keeping it tucked in so like
before the ball he'd be holding it out and like
the defensers, the defenders are just coming for the ball.

Speaker 1 (53:11):
His clock is better and we're.

Speaker 5 (53:13):
Keeping it tighter and he's not giving them those opportunities.

Speaker 2 (53:17):
Dylan's in Nashville.

Speaker 1 (53:18):
What's up, Dylan, Hey, how's it going good?

Speaker 14 (53:24):
So the first time, medium time, the thing I want
to ask you is I love we're talking about small
ball What are the little things that you guys think
we could improve on, because you know, back when you're
a super Bowl team, we focused on the little things.
What are those, like top two or three things that

(53:45):
you guys want to think about. Thank you very much
for having me on.

Speaker 2 (53:48):
Okay, thanks, I still little thing.

Speaker 1 (53:50):
I think there's big things that they still have to
I don't know about little things.

Speaker 5 (53:53):
They need to run the ball better, yeah, they needs
a big thing. You need to run the ball better, defense,
defend the pass better. They're not really defending the past
very well on defense, and I think that one of
the things defensively that just sticks out to me in
terms of that is like I kind of feel like
they don't have an identity of how they want to
cover teams right now, and they're not really like they're

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not having Gonzo travel and they're not like, really, they
told us that they wanted to play cat coverage, right,
they wanted Gonzo and they wanted Carlon Davis and they
were gonna play man to man and like outside the
Bills game, that really hasn't come to fruition now. Gonzo
hasn't been one hundred percent healthy, right, And maybe that's
why but like in order, that's the only way I
can really see the past defense improving substantially is if

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you know, I don't know if he's going to play
on Sunday, But they say to Gonzo like you got Ridley,
you know, like you got Drake London, you have and
he's everywhere traveling with those receivers at one hundred percent
because right now they're kind of just playing sides and
just taking whoever.

Speaker 2 (54:54):
Knows his team yet or is he still learning you
know who's and I'm talking the defense, like who are
my guys in certain situations?

Speaker 4 (55:04):
Yeah, I would say I would put him slightly behind
what a normal coach who's been around for a couple
of years might know of his team. I think there's
still a little bit of a learning curve with some
of the new faces and maybe some of the guys
that he inherited.

Speaker 1 (55:17):
But for the most part, I mean, I think you
should have a pretty good idea.

Speaker 4 (55:19):
I mean, I think this identity is starting starting to
come out to us at least, so I would imagine
it has for him too.

Speaker 5 (55:25):
I just look at, you know, week to week, Like
last week they played a lot of man in Buffalo,
and it mostly worked and it was, you know, a
good defensive game this week. They then all of a sudden,
they're playing a ton of zone and it's like, I
get wanting to be game plan and I get that
you want to change it up. I just I wonder
if they're not personnel wise, they might not be fully
there yet. They just like week to week, you know

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Belichick's style, we're going to be We're going to be different.
So in this game, they came out with a lot
of zone blitzing, and to Rattler's credit, he beat them.
He beat him with it, and so I just wonder
if they maybe could kind of simplify on defense where
they just say this is what we do.

Speaker 2 (56:03):
Well, Yeah, Eldrid's in North Carolina.

Speaker 1 (56:07):
Hey Aldred, Hey fellas.

Speaker 13 (56:11):
How y'all doing? Who hey? Questions? I know, we keep
talking about the running game, and I keep standing the
coverage with the linebackers and the safeties. But I looked
at the game again yesterday. I still say eighty percent
of that is the line because I still see a
lot of black Jerry's coming through and they run into
the wall. But then again New Orleans kept doing that

(56:35):
damn excuse me, run blitz and they're telling you to
get their linebacker or corner shooting the gap. So I
don't know maybe that's the issue or not, and I
take it off the air. Thank you, you have a
good one.

Speaker 1 (56:48):
Okay, thanks Eldrid.

Speaker 5 (56:49):
They've seen a lot of like post snap movement from
defenses in the run game, like they're gap penetrating, their stunting,
they're run blitzing like things like that really early on
the season, like Vegas kind of brought it out week
one and it's sort of been the book on what
they do and it has worked. But you know, the
downside of that for the defense is that may Is

(57:12):
is killing them through the air. So it's like if
they're going to keep doing this and they're going to
keep being aggressive upfront against the run, and then they're
just gonna throw it over the top.

Speaker 4 (57:21):
So it's now much you do if you're Tennessee, like
this week, you don't really have much to work with.
You know, you got Jeffrey Simmons. Do you just say
we're not gonna let Drake maybe this this week? This
is the week that reminder Stevenson a Travian Henderson suddenly
find their stride and get good, then we'll lose that way.

Speaker 1 (57:36):
But let's play deep.

Speaker 4 (57:37):
Let's not let you know, and also force may to
read through the coverage, take the undernout underneath stuff, and
that that might be their best option to try to
figure it out.

Speaker 2 (57:46):
Thanks James Pettigrew, the most interesting Patriots fan of the world.
Rights and when Fred is wearing a cricket sweater, I
know we're fully back.

Speaker 1 (57:56):
It's FG. It's tennis. He's got two sets with boardguard later.
This in it right now? I like it.

Speaker 4 (58:02):
I like it right closed the stir on one of
our closes. Staying overalls, you look like you had been
clamming or oystering or sorry.

Speaker 1 (58:08):
I missed it. I was still in my car. Yeah,
I like overalls.

Speaker 5 (58:12):
You don't have to wear a belt, I just don't.
You don't strike me as an overalls guy said like
you wear him.

Speaker 1 (58:16):
At home A lot I do. I got a piece
of straw in his mouth. The talk of the was
the talk of the office. Was it the top of
the Absolutely it's not. It's not the first suns like
whatever I wear like people talk about, Well, you have
made a bit of a transformation. Have I a fashion train?

Speaker 7 (58:32):
Well?

Speaker 1 (58:33):
The cardigans you brought, you brought. The cardigans are very versatile.
It's a new thing for you.

Speaker 2 (58:37):
Plus, my office is freezing, so I.

Speaker 5 (58:40):
Hear you need something I can take on and put
on and take off very four and two start where
could get a little heat in this building?

Speaker 1 (58:47):
But it is cold. I agree with you, No I do.

Speaker 2 (58:52):
I used to wear cardigans in college and I got
made fun of.

Speaker 1 (58:55):
Really Oh yeah yeah, yep, not anymore tho.

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Speaker 7 (01:01:11):
How are you good? Good? Mike Good?

Speaker 15 (01:01:18):
Still having trouble running the football?

Speaker 5 (01:01:21):
I was wondering if, in terms of Remandre, maybe he's
focusing a little too much on protecting the football.

Speaker 7 (01:01:29):
Probably everybody is. I wouldn't say that it's just Remandre.

Speaker 17 (01:01:33):
I think that that's something that probably both backs that
that played yesterday and they carried the ball yesterday probably
are focused on.

Speaker 7 (01:01:42):
And you know, I think there's a balance there. We've
talked about that.

Speaker 17 (01:01:47):
I know, when we don't turn it over, we've won
those three games, So there's there's certainly a balance there.

Speaker 7 (01:01:56):
And we have to.

Speaker 17 (01:01:59):
To give him a good play and we have to
block and execute that to block support, and then we
we have to we have to run and make people
miss and break tackles. So well, we'll work hard at that,
but in the same sense, I'm proud of the improvements
that we've made protecting our our quarterback and protecting Drake,

(01:02:20):
and we'll just have to continue to strike a good
balance there with running the football.

Speaker 18 (01:02:27):
Mike says a video view in the locker room after
the game. Why is it so important for you to
harp one too?

Speaker 7 (01:02:33):
Your players to join? They put a lot into it.
You know, we try to coach them throughout the week.
We we coach them. You know, we believe in some things,
and we want to coach.

Speaker 17 (01:02:47):
And practice our identity through the week and in meetings
and lock in and get the details and things that
we feel like are going to help us win a
football game. And then you know, they're the ones that
go out and perform and execute, and I'm them to
embrace that.

Speaker 7 (01:03:04):
You know.

Speaker 17 (01:03:04):
We just it's a tough league to win in, and
tough league too to win consistently and on the road,
and the numbers and for the history will tell you that.

Speaker 7 (01:03:14):
You know, this league is designed to to be.

Speaker 17 (01:03:18):
It used to be an eight and eight league and
now it's a nine or eight or eight nine league,
and that's that's how the systems set up, and so
we have to do things through the course of the
game and the season that that that skewed that and
to move those numbers in our favor. And I think
that there's a good balance that can be had from

(01:03:40):
these guys still knowing that they can they can play
better and they can do some things. But you know,
we hammered two footballs out yesterday defensively, and not that
we weren't hammering before, but a couple of them rolled
out of bounds. A couple of them didn't come out yesterday.
They came out. You know, we were able to recover

(01:04:00):
the one, actually both of them. But you know, feel
bad for Charles. I know he wanted to fumble cause
fumble there and didn't end up challenging it just because
of the the risk reward I felt that was involved.
So you know, there's good stuff and then you know,
just want them to be able to embrace that and
then enjoy that and then understand that there's another challenge

(01:04:21):
on the road here this week.

Speaker 7 (01:04:22):
Again.

Speaker 17 (01:04:23):
Leave you up and scored its first touchdown during a
two minute situation last last night.

Speaker 7 (01:04:28):
I'm wondering, how have.

Speaker 1 (01:04:29):
You seen the group grow in those situations and would
allowed them to.

Speaker 7 (01:04:31):
Finally reached out of mind.

Speaker 17 (01:04:33):
Uh you know, I mean we've had you know, we
had the one at the end of the Pittsburgh game.
They might have gone on to score against Vegas, but
you know, opted for the field goal, you know, to
try to flip it. So situationally, maybe that cause for

(01:04:54):
you know, us not scoring touchdowns. You know, we didn't
convert the end of the game against but to be
able to possess it there all the way through and
really give our guys the last touch, you know, that's
that's been something that's important, you know, when you got
a good offense on the other side, which there is

(01:05:15):
every week, you know, making sure that they don't get
the ball back, and you know, just being able to
understand when they may pressure, you know, when when we
need to get out of bounds, controlling the clock, really
getting into that drive, that two minute drive and you
sacks kill.

Speaker 7 (01:05:32):
Two minutes and uh you know, so we were able
to get the first first.

Speaker 17 (01:05:37):
Down and I felt like that gave us a flow
and a rhythm to to that you know, particular drive
there at the end of the half, Like what what.

Speaker 19 (01:05:44):
Advantages are you getting when you have this plane to
buy giving this tree what we feel, you know, I
think it just gives us a little bit more flexibility
to to be in different fronts and to do, uh,
you know, some different things and be able to use
everybody and take some snaps off of some other guys.

Speaker 1 (01:06:04):
Coach, which one of the passing appearance calls on Diggs.

Speaker 7 (01:06:07):
Drove me more crazy. Oh no, those don't. I don't
don't drive me crazy.

Speaker 17 (01:06:15):
You know, we just have to be able to deal
with whatever situation is presented to us, whether we agree
with it or disagree with it.

Speaker 7 (01:06:25):
I've learned that it's not going to change.

Speaker 17 (01:06:28):
So frustrated and disappointed for the players there that had
some really explosive gains taken away by by judgment, you know,
probably poor judgment, but that's it's all part of it.
And so I like the resolve for us to know
ability for us to play through some of those, however

(01:06:51):
difficult that it may be.

Speaker 1 (01:06:53):
My I guess they took a long time before you
had to punt.

Speaker 4 (01:06:57):
When you did, Rice, you know, your own head and
shooting back there kicks off a good Funds kind of
flips the field.

Speaker 7 (01:07:04):
They have flipped the field there.

Speaker 4 (01:07:06):
His performance and his leadership in that way too Muchie specially, Yeah.

Speaker 17 (01:07:09):
I think you know, just you look at the operation
on the field goal and being able to calm everything
down and be able to handle the the snap and
just the you know, good placement ball placement for Andy,
you know, I do.

Speaker 7 (01:07:25):
You know, Bryce's really kind.

Speaker 17 (01:07:27):
Of helps out in all regards and special teams and
he's done a nice job just you know, whether that's
helping on kickoff or turn or kickoff or you know,
just helping it practice right, some of the things that
you guys may or may not see, but it was
good for him. He's you know, done a nice job
for us and hopefully we don't have to use him

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as much. But you know, certainly came off with a
big kick there to be able to flip the field
and you know the one we probably don't want down
the middle of the field and he knows that so
but to be able to flip the field and those
situations are huge and Bryce has done a nice job
on a nine yards.

Speaker 1 (01:08:07):
Flipping from Brake to Trevion?

Speaker 10 (01:08:10):
Is that a no, no?

Speaker 7 (01:08:11):
Yes?

Speaker 8 (01:08:11):
Play?

Speaker 19 (01:08:12):
Is that a balance being a playmaker and being safe?

Speaker 1 (01:08:15):
Like, how do you how is a coach?

Speaker 7 (01:08:16):
To your view, the decision there and pitch the ball.

Speaker 1 (01:08:18):
Obviously a successful that.

Speaker 17 (01:08:21):
We get, you know, we put you know, we have
a lot of trust and faith and certainly Drake and
and anybody else that would have the football, we have
to be able to give them the liberty to go
play the game and understand and not put it in
in danger, but also try to try to make some
positive plays and some of those things that go off script.

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You see, you know, Drake able to run down to
the one yard line or scrambling out there to the
left and and throwing the ball and using the rules
to to our advantage and you know, taking it in
completion as opposed to uh, you know, a hit or
a sack.

Speaker 18 (01:08:56):
With the running game kind of get back to Karen's question,
do you think you guys could benefit from from more
variety in the right I'm just thinking of those last
few handoffs towards the end of the game. You just
seem sort of direct runs straight downhill.

Speaker 17 (01:09:10):
Yeah, man, I think that when you talk about five minutes,
I mean you want to be protective of pressures and
things like that.

Speaker 7 (01:09:16):
I think there's a lot of variety in our run game.

Speaker 17 (01:09:21):
Throughout the season, and to look at one specific play
and one you know, specific situation probably isn't isn't fair,
but you know, you're free to do whatever you want.
I just you know, you want to make sure that
in those situations that you're trying to get the ball downhill,
you're not trying to run sideways and create a holding
penalty you know that would stop the clock, lose yardage,

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all those things in five minute now we're trying to
be good with but also gain a first down to
to win the game.

Speaker 7 (01:09:52):
So we'll keep working.

Speaker 17 (01:09:53):
We've had some some you know, good runs and we've
had some had some some pitiful ones too, and so
we just have to make sure that there is a consistency,
you know that we're coaching the details, that we're coaching
the demeanor and understand that it's gonna going to be
some some dirty runs in there and that we're going
to have to make a guy miss or break a tackle,

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things that we've done throughout the season and be able
to do all those while taking care of the football
and trying to move the line of scrimmage. So you know,
probably wished we probably had some more production in a
run game there at the end, we got the one
first down and then we're able to throw for the
second one.

Speaker 1 (01:10:34):
Coach, it's tight this week.

Speaker 7 (01:10:37):
What are your thoughts on going back there?

Speaker 17 (01:10:38):
And I mean just this is going to be probably
a lot to be said about this, and I think
would file under the category of, you know, is it
interesting or important? And I would probably say this would
be very interesting, but in the end not very important
to our preparation or what we.

Speaker 7 (01:10:58):
Need to continue to try to do to them prove
as a team.

Speaker 17 (01:11:01):
But having spent you know, six years there or seven
years there, I mean, it's uh, you know, I think
it'll be It'll be nice to see some some people
that I haven't seen it in a few years that
helped us win, players and staff. But uh, you know,
we've got a huge job here to do, uh as

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we prepare for him.

Speaker 1 (01:11:28):
And now great moments in history.

Speaker 2 (01:11:33):
I know he's a friend of the show, but the
pre and post game shows have become largely about soothing
or feeding Hardy's ego, and he offers little actual information
about the team or the game.

Speaker 1 (01:11:43):
It's so frustrated, Wow.

Speaker 9 (01:11:47):
We should bring this that's entirely inaccurate Hardy to I
don't know if I think if anything in this room,
I think if anything, he's got inferior complex.

Speaker 1 (01:11:56):
Yes, I would agree.

Speaker 2 (01:11:58):
Yeah, uh, you know he he's a very busy guy.
He's got ninety eight point five. Then he does serious
he's got the music show, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:12:06):
So he's got golf. Yeah, the golf show that he
does show.

Speaker 2 (01:12:11):
But he gets free stuff for that, So I'm a
little jealous he.

Speaker 1 (01:12:14):
Gets those clubs he took care of. Yes, I did
custom P HG clubs. He gave you clubs. No, he
got those he got free and I got his leftover.
Oh did you? He said he gave me a set
of irons?

Speaker 2 (01:12:26):
Nice?

Speaker 1 (01:12:27):
What kind?

Speaker 2 (01:12:27):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:12:28):
I didn't look at him yet.

Speaker 2 (01:12:29):
You don't even look at him.

Speaker 5 (01:12:30):
No, we just the other night when we were leave,
when he put him in my trunk, So you're not
even curious to what they are.

Speaker 1 (01:12:37):
No, I'll look at him when I get a chance.

Speaker 2 (01:12:40):
I would want to know what kind of clubs I
got some new clubs got, don't you excited?

Speaker 5 (01:12:44):
Plase I've been working on the set.

Speaker 1 (01:12:46):
Of irons just rolling around in the back of his car.
Right they're in a bag. I'd want to know, Like
the Calloways and they expect that from him, not you.

Speaker 5 (01:12:56):
I expect you know, like I'd be excited to get
a new set of eye Mike, how's your putting?

Speaker 1 (01:13:02):
That's another great moment underrated line.

Speaker 2 (01:13:07):
All right back here and Patriots Unfiltered eight five five
Pass five hundred is the hotline podcast at Patriots dot
com is the email address. And this one's interesting. This
goes to Matt Corrals. By the way, Aspen writes in
from reading or is he reading from Aspen? I don't know,
but he's a humble request to update the commentary highlights

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for the opening of the postgame show. It's time to
celebrate Drake May's excellence and embrace that he's the future
of the franchise. There should be plenty of calls that
would be great to use from the past two games
for his purpose. And here's hoping he just keeps adding
more incredible plays. Yeah, we need to update all that stuff, right, I.

Speaker 16 (01:13:46):
Mean, if a fifty yard pass is better than a
Super Bowl call, sure, well, no.

Speaker 2 (01:13:52):
I get his point, Matt, you don't have to be
so defensive. Let's get some of the you know, the
the more recent.

Speaker 1 (01:13:59):
Stuff in the new ones made this week. I promise.

Speaker 2 (01:14:02):
Yeah, we've got a lot, you know, a lot of
good stuff, now.

Speaker 1 (01:14:06):
Do we?

Speaker 7 (01:14:07):
Well?

Speaker 1 (01:14:07):
What is wrong with you people? To celebrate?

Speaker 2 (01:14:15):
Somebody's got a red ass over here? We got a
bunch of Sean mcdermot's going on, all.

Speaker 1 (01:14:22):
Right, I get it. Long Way to Go, six, Long
Way to Go.

Speaker 2 (01:14:29):
Listen Travis and Watertown, Connecticut. While the second half wasn't pretty,
I'm glad we take the win. I don't get a
chance to listen live, but I do tend to wait
until Mondays to listen to the picks segment. I love it,
by the way, and it's very entertaining to listen to
your picks and reasoning when I already know the outcomes
of the game. The two best parts of hearing Mike

(01:14:50):
pick wrong, knowing he's in last place in the picks
and sneaky negative and the others listening to Fred's confident
folks and knowing that whatever comes out will be utter nonsense.
This week especially was fun, with the Jets losing by
two and Fred being the only one to take the points, claiming, folks,
this is why I'm leading in the picks, and then

(01:15:11):
again calling the Panthers Cowboys upset even if.

Speaker 1 (01:15:14):
It was a hate pick. I did better than the
up this week, but it's still a struggle for me
in the points. It really is.

Speaker 3 (01:15:23):
This is a guy who really listens well and understands
because he's right. Like I would love to sit here
and tell you, Wow, you nailed, but I'm not going
to do it because I know why you took it.

Speaker 1 (01:15:33):
Yeah, because I love seeing.

Speaker 2 (01:15:36):
I love but my energy affects the games. I put
it out there in the universe and its.

Speaker 1 (01:15:43):
A lot of good parody in the league. This year,
it's a horrible year. I agree, Why is it horrible?
I mean, you're right, it's not horrible, but there's just
there's no great team.

Speaker 2 (01:15:54):
There's a lot of really bad teams, but there's no
great Yeah. I mean, yeah, yeah, you're right. It's not
necessarily bad. But I don't like pass I think it.
I think the league's going through a little bit of
a transition, and I think this is the greatness in
the league. Seeing like a snake's shedded skin here with
the league, you know, I hope so, and you have

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to shed the skin to get bigger.

Speaker 4 (01:16:16):
I just can't shake the feeling that a Buffalo or
Kansas City or Detroit or Philadelphia are suddenly gonna start
to kick in and get interested in December and play
their best ball right down and we're going to be
right back in another you know, Kansas City, Philadelphia and.

Speaker 5 (01:16:30):
Those cities offense is playing really well.

Speaker 3 (01:16:32):
It's three weeks in a row, so since where they
got back, the offense looks totally different. And now they're
going to get Rice back for the next game. But
I agree with Mike. Some of those the better teams,
the ones that have been good, you know for a while,
they almost it's not like they don't want to, but
it's almost.

Speaker 1 (01:16:48):
They wake me up. The intention.

Speaker 3 (01:16:51):
The intention is to build and play your best at
the end, whereas some other teams, and I'm not suggesting
the Patriots are one of these, because I think the
Patriots are building. But some other teams, you know, shoot
out of the gate and they played there. You know,
like Miami under McDaniel has played really well offensively at
the beginning of seasons and they Pete are out. You know,

(01:17:13):
they're not good this year at all, But that that
happens around the league this year, I just don't see.

Speaker 1 (01:17:19):
I mean, the ones that Mike.

Speaker 3 (01:17:20):
Said are probably the candidates Detroit and Philadelphia or as
talented as anyone, and maybe Green Bays in that mix,
but they lack of consistency would worry me, you know,
in Kansas City and Buffalo will be there at the end.

Speaker 2 (01:17:32):
In three years, you know, we could be talking about
Drake May being one of the best quarterbacks in the league,
and I think Jackson.

Speaker 1 (01:17:39):
Darry will be and Jackson intends if we're allowed.

Speaker 2 (01:17:42):
Right, and Jackson Dark, you know, being the toast of
New York, and Michael Pennix, you know, being a good quarterback.
And if that's all true, you've got new teams take.

Speaker 1 (01:17:51):
It bigger.

Speaker 5 (01:17:54):
In five years. How are we going to look back
at that draft class? Yeah, a lot of good quarterbacks.

Speaker 1 (01:18:00):
The Drake May draft closse. Yeah no, but yeah, I mean.

Speaker 5 (01:18:04):
I know, I know he cried and everybody doesn't like him.
But Caleb Williams continues to look better every week.

Speaker 1 (01:18:11):
I don't. I'm not saying he's there yet. He's not
where Drake May.

Speaker 7 (01:18:13):
Is right now.

Speaker 5 (01:18:14):
Jadon Daniels is already, Jayden Daniels is pretty good, Drake
May is pretty good.

Speaker 1 (01:18:21):
JJ McCarthy. We haven't seen it at all. Pennix still learning.

Speaker 3 (01:18:24):
I thought he made some really good plays last night,
some really bad plays last night. Bow Nicks looks like
the ultimate game manager to me. But with that defense,
that's good enough. He's going to be in the playoffs
more than likely. Wasn't the guy that the Saints played
in that class, Spencer. I mean, all of a sudden,
he looked alright to me. Maybe he's their guy.

Speaker 1 (01:18:44):
I don't know, but that's that's a pretty good draft class.

Speaker 5 (01:18:48):
The quarterbacks, Yeah, I mean bow Knick's probably the like
least physically gifted, but like he kind of was playing
like a little bit like an Alex right now.

Speaker 2 (01:18:58):
And I know you have some of this, you know,
early success for these quarterbacks to you know, your tight
pants coaching on offense and having systems that are quarterback friendly.

Speaker 5 (01:19:09):
I would, you know, it's too early to victory lap,
but you know, Ben Johnson looking looking pretty good right
now in Chicago as well, and Haskalb playing good football.
I think that was just in particular, that was a
really good class, and we knew it at the time
that it was a really good class. You know, I
look at where they were all drafted. You know, five
of those guys were drafted in the top fifteen of

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that first round, so I think everybody was pretty well
aware that six of them really that it was a
good class coming out, and so far it's you know,
you have two different ways it could go.

Speaker 1 (01:19:41):
Could go like the Mac.

Speaker 5 (01:19:42):
Jones class where Jones and fields and you know, Trevor
Lawrence and that didn't go as well as Zach Wilson.

Speaker 1 (01:19:51):
But this one looks like it's been the He.

Speaker 3 (01:19:53):
Going to say the last time that we had one
of those classes, they all kind of started. I mean,
Trevor Lawrence is another one that's decent.

Speaker 1 (01:19:59):
Yeah, tread and water.

Speaker 2 (01:20:01):
Franklin and Baltimore writes in just some interesting stats to
show how sneaky good Booty has been this year. Out
of Booty's eighteen catches, sixteen of them are for first downs,
and for the math nerds, that's nearly ninety percent. Boody
currently ranks in the top ten in terms of yards
per reception at sixteen point seven.

Speaker 1 (01:20:20):
That also leads the team.

Speaker 2 (01:20:21):
He has six big plays according to ESPN's tracking Big
stat which to me brings up an interesting conversation. How
are we defining a big play wide receiver? Or a
player that gets chunk plays? Is it purely speed yack
versatility as an inside outside threat, Because all I know
is that whenever the team needs that chunk play, it's

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Booty that who's done it consistently more than anyone else.

Speaker 1 (01:20:45):
And this dates back to last year. All Right, I
like Booty. I like him.

Speaker 2 (01:20:50):
Uh oh uh oh, but this is what he does.
He's sick and tired of twenty plus catches. So no,
his whole thing is like, this is a no time going.

Speaker 1 (01:20:58):
This is what he runs down the field and he'll
make down the field.

Speaker 2 (01:21:00):
So yes, that's a terrible thing. Are going to go
for first downs? But like, look, god forbid you run
down the field to make catches.

Speaker 4 (01:21:08):
In another world there might be a guy who could
run down the field, make a catch, and then make
a move and then get to the end zone.

Speaker 1 (01:21:14):
The boy.

Speaker 3 (01:21:16):
See, I'm okay with the amount of yards he gets
on the catches. Everything that that emailer said is right.
He has made chunk plays. Can I get more than
eighteen of them before I say, like, he's one of
the premiere big play receivers in football. Oh, I don't
know if that's all that? Like every time he's been
targeted this year, He's done the job. He's been outstanding

(01:21:36):
in the role that he's been given. I don't have
anything even taking it full circle, like the maturity that
he has shown and the growth that he has shown
from year one to year three, now I think has
been off the charts. I don't have anything negative to
say about Kayshawn Booty. But when we're going to start to.

Speaker 5 (01:21:54):
Say, like what classifies as a big play receiver more
than eighteen catches?

Speaker 2 (01:21:57):
So then why can we get excited about make Drake
May Booty's ascension.

Speaker 3 (01:22:03):
You think Drake May is like low in the league
in terms of like a number of attempts or yards, No, well.

Speaker 5 (01:22:10):
Kayshaun Booty would be. But Jan Boody's average is what
it is because he doesn't have a lot of catch ups.

Speaker 2 (01:22:15):
But the point is he doesn't have a lot of
drops either.

Speaker 1 (01:22:17):
No, no, no, He's again, I don't have anything. I
don't have anything negative to say about Kayshan bud him.

Speaker 5 (01:22:26):
You can get as excited as you want. I'm excited
about him. I think he's just shown tremendous.

Speaker 2 (01:22:30):
You're you're like, wait and see with Kaishan Boy not wait.

Speaker 3 (01:22:33):
And see, I don't think that he'll ever be that
what he is asked to do. He's been doing exceptionally
high level. Yes, cat like eighty passes and does that
like that's what a big play receiver, you know, Like, okay, that's.

Speaker 5 (01:22:47):
A complimentary receiver. Yes, yeah, And they you know, he's
playing the X spot. I don't know if that's naturally
his position, and he's playing outside a lot, and typically
in a Josh Daniel's offense, that's kind of a forgotten sacrificial, sacrificial.

Speaker 1 (01:23:04):
It's kind of sacrificial.

Speaker 5 (01:23:06):
You're just gonna run wind sprints and you're gonna stretch
coverage and clear out and do that type of thing.
But when you have a quarterback like Drake that's so
good at throwing outside the numbers, that that role is
going to be amplified, maybe a little bit more than
it would be in a different offense with a different quarterback.

Speaker 1 (01:23:22):
And so Booty is getting those targets.

Speaker 5 (01:23:24):
And to his credit, you know, he's he had a
lot of one on ones in this game against New
Orleans and he won them. He won them in big spots.

Speaker 1 (01:23:33):
I like Booty. I all like Booty. I actually think, Yeah,
I think I think he's that as a very we
all like I didn't catch it. I didn't catch it
the first I'm not gonna lie. It works both ways
for me, It's fine. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:23:52):
The the development of of Booty has been I think
a huge part of the offense this.

Speaker 1 (01:23:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:23:58):
I just like when you talk about this is like
Chris Hogan used to be very high up in the
yards per catch.

Speaker 1 (01:24:05):
Yeah, same thing with your yards per catch.

Speaker 3 (01:24:08):
When you only catch downfield passes but you don't catch
a lot of them, your yards per catch is really high.

Speaker 1 (01:24:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:24:14):
I know, Like it's like if you catch a hundred
balls and you're ad sixteen point seven yards per catch.

Speaker 1 (01:24:19):
Now you're talking big play receiver. Yeah, I think.

Speaker 4 (01:24:22):
I gotta say I think Keisham Bouti is outstanding contested catches,
and not for a guy who's not that big.

Speaker 1 (01:24:29):
But he comes down consistently the whole time here with catches.
You're like, how did he come down with that one?
I mean, I mean one of them last week.

Speaker 5 (01:24:37):
I mean the contact is really and he's gotten stronger
and better at that as his career has.

Speaker 1 (01:24:45):
Loved listening to him talk. Now it doesn't even sound
like the same.

Speaker 5 (01:24:48):
Kid that we had two years or two years ago,
one year, like last year. He's throwing growing up right
before our eyes.

Speaker 3 (01:24:55):
Like him talking about like you know, the adversity he
faced early on, and like you know, at one point
he felt like he was going to be a first
round pick. And I think the self awareness that he's
displayed the development of booty has been a huge part
of their offense.

Speaker 4 (01:25:09):
I don't know if you heard me feel on the
postgame show, make this point. I'll make it again real quick,
but you know, just to go from his first play
as a pro, his first game.

Speaker 1 (01:25:16):
Is a pro, but he didn't get his feet down
in bounds. Remember that.

Speaker 4 (01:25:19):
And then it was like, oh, he's on the outs,
and now you have a guy that you know is
going to get his feet down and stay in bounced
or make those tough catches.

Speaker 1 (01:25:26):
So I just I thought that was a wonderful way
to illustrate his career. Arc. I mean, it's really impressive.

Speaker 4 (01:25:31):
You got to give him a ton of credit for
what what you know, all the ups and downs that
he's fought through two years ago, last year to arrive.

Speaker 1 (01:25:37):
At this point. It's pretty special.

Speaker 5 (01:25:38):
If you have a guy like Diggs who can be
the volume guy, and then Booty is kind of when
the ball finds him and when the coverage dictates that
this is where the ball is going to go, he
steps up and catches eighteen of his twenty three targets
so far this year, He's been exactly what they needed
him to be, really solid in.

Speaker 3 (01:25:56):
Two plays again on the sideline late in games back
to back weeks, showing the awareness to get down. Although
this this one that that they ended up getting overturned.
I don't really understand the rule.

Speaker 1 (01:26:07):
I don't. Someone is going to need to explain the
rule to me.

Speaker 5 (01:26:09):
I can talk to Stretch about it later.

Speaker 3 (01:26:11):
Like he gets, he comes down, he lands, he has
two feet down and he gets knocked out of bounds,
and they said that he was down inbounds Like I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:26:19):
Well, he must other something other than his feet must
have touched in bounds, right, Nope, you sure not that
I saw.

Speaker 1 (01:26:27):
We have to I have to see the play again.

Speaker 3 (01:26:29):
Because maybe I miss misremembering, as Roger Clemons once famously said, yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:26:33):
He also had a play earlier on the Driver he
ran an out and he's stayed in bounce on the
out too, and made New Orleans burn a time out,
and so he's situationally, well, yeah, that one, I know,
it has been like kind of off the charts, like football.

Speaker 1 (01:26:49):
I you, yeah, the one in Buffalo. One in Buffalo
was exceptional.

Speaker 5 (01:26:53):
I asked him about it after the game and I
was like, you meant to do that, right, and he
was like, yeah, you know, got to know the clock,
got to know the situation.

Speaker 1 (01:26:59):
That was yeah. Huge. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:27:01):
Yeah, that's a difference between winning a losing play the
one in Buffalo, because I'm telling you, if they had
to kick the field goal and there's a minute left,
you're at least going overtime.

Speaker 1 (01:27:09):
Yep, yep.

Speaker 2 (01:27:11):
Cody writes in I know this was mentioned in the
post game a little bit, but shout out to Pop Douglas.
After a really shaky start and getting some media flack,
he maintained his high energy, made multiple high effort plays
blocking for his teammates, and finally the ball went back
his way on Sunday and he made some huge plays.
I think this also speaks to the culture change we've
been seeing. The attitude from the wide receiver room the

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last few years was a little shaky, so it's great
to see guys like Pop continuing to grind through some
struggles and when the ball found him again capitalize awesome stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:27:42):
Yeah, I give I guess Co signed all around.

Speaker 4 (01:27:44):
It takes a lot of credit. I give Holland some
credit to just for that room. We talked about it
last year just they were, you know, an immature group
and didn't really have a leader or an anchor. And
you see from you know, even the stupid pregame speeches
that Diggs has really put his stamp on this room
and in this team, and and you're seeing now guys.
I just hope they can continue to.

Speaker 1 (01:28:03):
Spread it around a little bit.

Speaker 4 (01:28:04):
It's not like you either get six catches or no catches, Like,
can we find a happy medium with some of these
guys and you know, keep everybody getting fed every week
and keep everybody engaged and not ride that roller coaster
quite as much.

Speaker 5 (01:28:15):
But the one thing that really like all around them
when they transition down the field, like whether it's a
pass or Drake may scramble. Guys transitioning into blockers has
been contagious. It's happened multiple times for like a month
now that when you watch Drake Meygan on the other

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line of a scrimmage. On the other side of the
line of scrimmage, you see five eligible receivers down the
field turn into blockers.

Speaker 1 (01:28:41):
You know, the flip to Henderson. Pop Douglas throws a block.

Speaker 5 (01:28:44):
As soon as Drake May throws the ball, he blocks
his guy and helps Henderson get the corner and get
the edge of Mandre like sprinting downfield on the one
that didn't count and clock it the goal line. Yeah,
you know, to get Pop Douglas into the end zone.
Like they're the blocking after the play is kind of complete.
It's really become infectious and they're they're all doing it now.

Speaker 1 (01:29:06):
Evan.

Speaker 2 (01:29:07):
I like your brunt three quarters. Thank you for wearing
I'm wearing my brunt boots. No nothing, I love them.

Speaker 1 (01:29:16):
Yeah, I don't want to. They're very comfortable, Mike. How
comfortable are they?

Speaker 2 (01:29:23):
They're cushiony, Yeah, cushiony that you can wear them all day.

Speaker 1 (01:29:29):
Let's see.

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Discount Furniture studio in the preseason?

Speaker 1 (01:30:24):
Paul Company, they take it, Mike be able to talk
about it? Filled in. Yeah, a little cold in there,
but it was cold. They got to keep those studios
cold because of the lights. We go heavy on the
waters too, I think, Yeah, a lot of to get
my makeup done. That was exciting. Oh stop, pancake on,

(01:30:46):
It's gonna be a big stop.

Speaker 2 (01:30:49):
Let's see, Kyle says. What's holding Drake back from winning
m v P this year? Does NFL media account for
things like strength of schedule or is it solely hustle
results and wins.

Speaker 1 (01:31:03):
Nothing would be holding him, I would anything hold him back?

Speaker 4 (01:31:06):
Yeah, I mean in some ways I feel like the
lack of running game amplifies his candidacy.

Speaker 1 (01:31:12):
Yeah, I mean the.

Speaker 5 (01:31:13):
Big reason why if you extrapolate everything from what you
have right now, like through the end of the season,
I think it'd be hard to look at a guy
like Baker Mayfield and say that that's not like an
MVP season. But it's six games, right, So, like, does
anybody think Baker Mayfield is going to win the MVP
right now?

Speaker 1 (01:31:32):
I mean I don't should.

Speaker 3 (01:31:35):
I don't know if there's been a player more valuable
to his team than Mayfield has been.

Speaker 5 (01:31:40):
And I think the MVP award would be better with him,
But Drake may I don't know how many you want
to put it is there are the three guys that
are any more deserving than Drake may I'd be hard
pressed to come up with with them. I have a
this is a running theory of mine. So in the NBA,

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they have a Most Improved Player award, not comeback player.
A comeback player is supposed to be an injury right,
like you had an ACL and then he came back
and you played well. So they have a Most Improved
Player award in the NBA, and I think that comeback
player there's a lot of votes that end up going
to a player that's really the most improved player, but

(01:32:23):
it ends up kind of getting like, so I think
that the NFL should have also have a most improved
Player running for that, right, So like, maybe he's not
winning MVP yet, but he might be the most improved
player in the league from last year to this year.
And then that's like I'm not making an award just
to give it to Drake, Like I've already had this idea, yeah,

(01:32:44):
for a while now, because I think what happens, Like
it kind of came up with the Joe Flacco DeMar
Hamlin come back Player of the Year, Right, Joe Flacco
came back from being bad, Like Joe Flacker didn't come
back from a major injury where he didn't play. He
came back from not being good of being good again.
And so I just wonder if maybe there's like a
different award and then that way, like that.

Speaker 1 (01:33:06):
Most improved right, yeah, the major award, Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:33:09):
Now we have an offensive line award, So we already
got year.

Speaker 1 (01:33:14):
That's that goes hard so doesn't so does it?

Speaker 2 (01:33:17):
Not to get into too much of a rabbit hole,
But does the most improved.

Speaker 1 (01:33:21):
Player have to be a young player?

Speaker 5 (01:33:23):
No, not necessarily. I don't think there's an age on.

Speaker 2 (01:33:27):
It, because like, let's just say you were good and
then you weren't good for a couple of years and
then all of a sudden you got good again. Show
is that improvement?

Speaker 5 (01:33:35):
Is that like a bounce back or well I think
it's improvement. And again, like that player would be nominated
for comeback Player of the Year, right right, which doesn't
make any sense, Like that's not what.

Speaker 1 (01:33:47):
Well, that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:33:48):
So that's why I'm wondering if it would always be
a young player that would get the.

Speaker 1 (01:33:51):
Most bounce back player of the year, most just most comeback.

Speaker 2 (01:33:56):
But this is the same about breakout Player of the Year.

Speaker 5 (01:33:59):
Sure, right, if you want to call it that, that's
kind of the same. Fourth But I feel like the
other issue is like did we have we see this
with Coach of the Year.

Speaker 1 (01:34:06):
Know how much I hate the comeback play? You don't
like because this is it right here?

Speaker 2 (01:34:09):
Yeah, but breakout player that could go like any time, like, oh,
your fifth year, all of a sudden he broke out.
Do you think Drake's more improved or more breakout this
year though both? I mean it's hard to say which
is which.

Speaker 5 (01:34:20):
I just think the comeback player the air war just
has too much gray area of what what is coming
back from? Yeah, to me, it has to be like injury, right,
Like you had a season ending.

Speaker 2 (01:34:33):
Injury unless you were like in jail and came back.

Speaker 5 (01:34:38):
To me, you know, if he has like a thousand
yard plus season like Stefan Diggs, could be nominated for
Comeback Player in the year, right right, But like I
wouldn't give Comeback Player the Year to Drake, Like that
would make.

Speaker 1 (01:34:49):
No sense, right right right?

Speaker 2 (01:34:52):
You could break out sponsored by Cleariso.

Speaker 1 (01:34:54):
Oh yeah, bad thing. I want to clear up the
breakout so they eliminate the break out.

Speaker 2 (01:35:00):
Jeffrey and Canada. If we had held on to the
ball against Pittsburgh, we'd be number one seed in the AFC.

Speaker 1 (01:35:05):
Right now, that's crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:35:07):
That said, I think the Pittsburgh game might end up
being the best thing that happened to this team. They
learned that if we play well, we belong on the
field with anyone. Should the Patriots go all in right
now and trade for a good receiver and a veteran
running back both, He says, Drake May's on a rookie contract.
We could be pushing to be a legit contender right now.

Speaker 1 (01:35:29):
To me, they kind of have a buyer feel to them,
or they should have a buyer.

Speaker 4 (01:35:34):
They got some real talented receiver, they have some you know,
cap space to work with, and this is the sweet
spot where you know it's time to be aggressive.

Speaker 1 (01:35:41):
They have some talent needs at some spots. So what
would you give up for a running back?

Speaker 10 (01:35:46):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:35:47):
Right now? Give up a third round. I was like thinking,
third is the highest I think i'd get. I mean
for a legit guy.

Speaker 5 (01:35:53):
Because we're going to be picking the last paper.

Speaker 2 (01:35:55):
I might do seconds, I might do second.

Speaker 3 (01:35:58):
Yeah, running back. I don't even want to use a
second round pick on a running back out of the draft.

Speaker 5 (01:36:02):
I know I would say a third, but maybe a
little bit of hot take, Like, I don't I wouldn't
necessarily say receiver is.

Speaker 1 (01:36:10):
Now if it's a J. Brown, like that's a different story.

Speaker 5 (01:36:13):
But like just adding another receiver just to add another receiver,
I don't think they necessarily. I would rather trade for
running back, maybe another impact player.

Speaker 2 (01:36:22):
I know he's older, but just think about what Henry
would be on this team. All of a sudden, now
you do have to respect the run, and that makes
the entire offense.

Speaker 1 (01:36:31):
They respect the run anymore than they're doing.

Speaker 5 (01:36:34):
But now, well, now you might be able to run
into might be able to do it even though they're
putting eight in the box.

Speaker 7 (01:36:40):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:36:41):
The problem is he makes the whole offense.

Speaker 5 (01:36:43):
They can't run against the stack box. They're they're not
good at it. If you have a back that can
break tackles and that sort of thing, then maybe you
can run against seven and eight man box.

Speaker 1 (01:36:56):
Maybe in theory.

Speaker 2 (01:36:58):
Not interested, Okay, I mean Barton Poland.

Speaker 1 (01:37:01):
I know that's saying Mike would be interested. I would
be good for me on the show.

Speaker 5 (01:37:05):
I think Derek Mike would never come back from the
locker I first I first felt from the locker room.
I'm not a running you know, I'm not a running
backs guy. But I just look at their office. I
think it's the most deficient part of their.

Speaker 1 (01:37:18):
They need somebody.

Speaker 3 (01:37:18):
I mean, if it was Derek Henry, I certainly wouldn't
sit here and say what a terrible move.

Speaker 1 (01:37:23):
They need they need help.

Speaker 2 (01:37:24):
We have two guys go to Tennessee and he comes
back with us save money on the flight.

Speaker 1 (01:37:30):
He plays for Baltimore. So oh, that's right, he's not
with Tennessee anymore. I forgot.

Speaker 2 (01:37:36):
We played bald That's too late, though, we can't wait
that long.

Speaker 5 (01:37:38):
After the dead yells the Jets that Jets would never
do that in the Division.

Speaker 1 (01:37:45):
Jets would never do that. I agree with Fred. He's
in a contract here already, but he missed this whole
first year.

Speaker 5 (01:37:51):
Right, Yeah, I think I don't see the Jets trading
him in the division.

Speaker 1 (01:37:56):
The Bell getting some time on Good Morning Football Barton Poland.

Speaker 2 (01:37:59):
I know that's saying that some thing was the best
the worst of all time is almost always overreacting, but
this really was one of the worst refereeing performances in
league history, and I don't think I'm exaggerating. If someone
finds me ten worst referee games ever, I'll buy him
a beer. The crew gut based accepted the crew gut
basically every single call wrong, small ones, big ones, phantom

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run ones, even the calls they got right, they got wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:38:22):
Fire them all to the sun.

Speaker 4 (01:38:24):
I ask what it was on the late flag where
we didn't even see it thrown on TV. I never
even saw it thrown.

Speaker 3 (01:38:31):
That was the I will say, the single individual worst
call I've ever seen to wipe out the second touchdown.
I've never seen anything like that. And then later that
night I kind of saw the same thing. The offense
for the Detroit Lions is on the bench celebrating and
you know, helmets off and.

Speaker 2 (01:38:51):
Flag like.

Speaker 1 (01:38:53):
I just don't I don't know what going on in
that league. I don't understand it. I just sky judge.

Speaker 2 (01:38:59):
But even the report after I makes no sense.

Speaker 5 (01:39:03):
They need somebody that the ball's not in the air,
it's not past interference. They need a sky judge. I
need somebody that's up top that is reviewing all these
calls and is saying either guys, I agree, pick up
the flag or whatever. And I know they have the
expedited replay now, but that's more for like turnovers and
in bounds, out of bounds spotting the ball. It's not

(01:39:25):
for judgment calls like pass interference. The judgment calls of
just they need to do a better job of judging
the judgment calls, and it happens so fast that they're
just getting a lot of these wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:39:36):
Like the digs.

Speaker 5 (01:39:36):
One he puts his hand on the.

Speaker 2 (01:39:38):
Guy's supposed to look for the extended arm.

Speaker 1 (01:39:40):
I don't have. I don't have it. He just I
don't have a huge. I don't have that one.

Speaker 3 (01:39:44):
Other than the the ramifications, you have no problem with
that one, I didn't say I had no problem with
I sai, I didn't have a huge. I've seen that
call many times. I've never seen I've never ever seen
somewhere between five and ten yards downfield a receiver of
a defen it back locked up to wipe out a
fifty yard pass. I've never seen that in all the
years I've ever watched football. I've seen guys get an

(01:40:07):
advantage with the arm coming out. Yeah, they flip a coin.
Some days it's it's a penalty something. Booty kind of
does it in the end zone in his touchdown.

Speaker 1 (01:40:15):
No call on that one. Yeah, I've seen that called.
I've seen it not called.

Speaker 3 (01:40:20):
I've never seen the first Stefon Diggs offensive pass interference
called in all my years.

Speaker 1 (01:40:26):
Well, that's the single worst call I've ever seen.

Speaker 3 (01:40:28):
And to Mike's point, the fact that it seemingly came
after Drake May was already on the bench and the
team is on the field.

Speaker 2 (01:40:36):
Well, he had a process it pull like I I
that was I don't really understand. It's got to be
some accountability.

Speaker 1 (01:40:44):
I didn't see the pool report. I'm interested, Oh you
got to read this one.

Speaker 3 (01:40:49):
Who couldn't have been any worse than the Pool report
that I did read on that Jared Goff play like
and I understand, like the technicality, this is what I
was talking about last week. The game is over officiated
and it's too complicated. They want a trick play with
the quarterback from under center of the Lions. And it
kind of didn't fool Kansas City. I mean, I'm on

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Saint Brown created the touchdown with a great block, like
there was a guy out there to make the play,
Like what is the whole thing about? Like you can't
come out? He's in motion, Like everybody sees his in motion.
Everybody knows he's an eligible receiver. Why does he then
have to stop for a second?

Speaker 2 (01:41:26):
And so just don't want him to give a running
start too much of an advantage, I guess, But he's
like you I see that all the time now, guys
going in motion and they never stop and they don't
call it, and then.

Speaker 1 (01:41:36):
Sometimes they do. They just storing in motion is not
a penalty.

Speaker 5 (01:41:40):
But when you turn toward the line, Oh that's going
up field, that's an illegal shift.

Speaker 3 (01:41:44):
That's different. He wasn't going up Sometimes they don't call it,
not anymore. It's called almost every time.

Speaker 1 (01:41:51):
Now. I was watch hicking on things that they call
every single time. Mimi.

Speaker 2 (01:41:55):
I was watching it on Sunday.

Speaker 5 (01:41:56):
It was like, oh my god, he just he's that
needs to be a pay I got called because he
didn't stop.

Speaker 1 (01:42:01):
I'm not talking about our game.

Speaker 3 (01:42:02):
No, I'm talking about Jared Goff as the quarterback. He
goes under center and he becomes the traditional quarterback even
though he didn't put his hands underneath right, because he
did that, he's not allowed to go in motion without stopping.

Speaker 1 (01:42:15):
Like why is that a rule? Like it's so over complicated.

Speaker 3 (01:42:20):
And you know again, I watched the Bears last night
lose a touchdown because they deemed that the tackles lined
up too far back. And then they go to the
replay and the rules experts say, is, I don't know
what they're looking at? There is helmet is is even
with the centers behind. I don't there's not what I
would have called, like, how many times did they take
away these big plays?

Speaker 5 (01:42:40):
Well, I mean it happened on the one before, you know,
to Diggs they call an a legal shift on Remandre
on third down that had absolutely nothing nothing, and it
wipes out a first down. Then then the Patriots false
start and get into like third and twelve or something seventeen,
and the bomb to Diggs gets wiped out by and

(01:43:04):
then finally he throws incomplete again to Inference, but he
easily could have been in afference. It was just a
comedy of just ridiculousness, like the illegal shift on Remandri
I like, okay, maybe he like kind of like moved in.

Speaker 1 (01:43:22):
His a little one telling me.

Speaker 3 (01:43:23):
I was like, I read it the same way you did.
They called it on Stevenson for kind of not setting
and which constituted two guys in motion, which I hate,
but whatever. Someone told me today that it was actually
called on Digs for going upfield.

Speaker 1 (01:43:38):
It's in it's in the book. It's in the book,
says Stevenson.

Speaker 5 (01:43:41):
Yeah, but I don't know if you know if they
but on that one drive, there's three calls that impacted
the possession.

Speaker 3 (01:43:51):
Like we had some calls that were sort of like
you know, unfortunately, they just couldn't they couldn't quite finish
the game. Off they got sloppy in the second I
was like, yeah, I might. I know, I worked with
Patriots dot Com. I'm going to cut him some slack.
I think the offense was perfectly fine in the second
half except for stuff like that, like they weren't going
to get stopped on that drive if not for the help.

(01:44:13):
And again I'm not just saying it was one side
because it wasn't. Like you know, someone said to me,
Someone said to me like, this is these kinds of
games lead you to believe that the games are fixed.
I go, yeah, well, who's it fixed for? Like they're
just flipping coins the whole day. It's unbelievable.

Speaker 5 (01:44:30):
How how like, I don't know, because if he hits
the you know, the one, the digs are and field
goal range just automatically on the throat to dick absolutely
and if they called the one the next play on
Holland right now, it's you know, But I also think
there was probably you know, there was a Marcus Jones
kind of tug of the arm on the alave one
that could have been Again, I don't want to see calls.

Speaker 1 (01:44:51):
I just want to see the guys make place.

Speaker 5 (01:44:53):
Like I get it, it's moving fast. Diggs does put
his hand out on the guy.

Speaker 1 (01:44:59):
The illegals that one.

Speaker 5 (01:45:00):
I can understand the illegal shift penalty on Remandre, Like
we have to have a understanding of does this impact
the play or not? Like is this is him moving
two inches from his left to his right? Is that
the difference between this play working and this play not work.

Speaker 1 (01:45:18):
I don't understand why it's a rule, but was fooling right?

Speaker 5 (01:45:21):
It's not there's no advantage that he is gaining from
being able to do that. He didn't probably even do
it on purpose. So like these we see this every
you know, Paul's right, Like you know Lineman is an
inch you know back too far back into the backfield,
or this motion is illegal because of X, Y and
Z if there's no clear advantage that's being presented to

(01:45:43):
the offense or the defense because it's something I don't
know why.

Speaker 2 (01:45:46):
They're getting So what about like hockey, you have a
delayed call and sometimes you just blow it off because
it really doesn't impact, Like icing or something like that.
I don't know what do they have delayed calls in
hockey for everything? But like, but what if you have
like a flag that comes out that it's a delayed call.
So if this ends up impacting the play, it's gonna

(01:46:08):
be a penalty. So I don't think you can say that.

Speaker 1 (01:46:10):
No, I don't think you can do that.

Speaker 3 (01:46:11):
Now. I would say, to Evans's point about the sky judge, Guy, judge,
can you just have some common sense on the play?

Speaker 1 (01:46:19):
To Douglas ask the dude at the bar, So can't
the sky.

Speaker 3 (01:46:26):
Judge just say, we're really gonna call this play seven
yards downfield with two guys sort of jostling one another. Right,
no problem, there is no flag on the play, right,
pick it up. Results of the play is a touchdown hockey.
We would have another paragraph to say after that, but
it's pretty simple.

Speaker 2 (01:46:43):
Ivans in California, what's up?

Speaker 1 (01:46:45):
Ivan?

Speaker 2 (01:46:46):
Hey?

Speaker 20 (01:46:47):
Happy first place Tuesday.

Speaker 2 (01:46:48):
Guys.

Speaker 20 (01:46:49):
There we go, We enjoy it. I know you guys,
you were touching on some of the things I wanted
to bring up, But I just say number one. Uh,
doesn't make me a homer to say that that was
the most egregious terrible day of flags throwing I've ever
seen in my life. And the thing it sucks is
that it takes a little bit of the joy out

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of watching the game, you know what I mean. And
I hope somehow, some way, somebody at the headquarters says,
figures out a way to make, you know, the entertainment
value a little bit higher instead of having to be
talking about this stuff, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:47:23):
Well, I don't know the league is really promoting flag
football these days.

Speaker 3 (01:47:27):
Yeah, that's a good point, because that's what it looks like.
There's twenty five penalties every game, every game, right, And
I agree with you. I think it last night, I
trying to check out, like I can't watch the games anymore.
It's it's really hard when every big play gets wiped out.

Speaker 20 (01:47:44):
Yeah, yeah, crazy, it really is. It's like every good play,
you're like, okay, hold on a second, is there flag?

Speaker 10 (01:47:50):
Oh no?

Speaker 20 (01:47:50):
And then it's just I just hope they fixed it.
But with that said, I know you guys have been
harping out that. I got a question for you. As
far as the running backs. I mean, I know Henry
was thrown out there, and maybe Baltimore, both South and
maybe they're willing to. But if not Henry, who else
do you think we could we could target? Because that
absolutely has become the number one the number one need

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what that'll take it off line?

Speaker 3 (01:48:14):
I think it's hard because a lot of teams need
running backs. Yeah, there's such attrition at that position.

Speaker 2 (01:48:21):
What if there was a real, you know, one of
the best guards available, what would you give.

Speaker 7 (01:48:27):
Up for that?

Speaker 1 (01:48:29):
Why would the one of the best guards be available.

Speaker 2 (01:48:32):
For the same reason that Breess Hall might be available
because the team stakes.

Speaker 1 (01:48:35):
I wouldn't say, Brireee Hall is one of the best
running backs whatever.

Speaker 7 (01:48:41):
You know what?

Speaker 1 (01:48:41):
And I don't even know that.

Speaker 2 (01:48:42):
You say, why why would anyone be available because they
want to get.

Speaker 1 (01:48:45):
Rid of or to your point, I don't even know
that Breess Hall is available.

Speaker 2 (01:48:48):
I'm but like, why would and why would Derrick Henry
be available?

Speaker 5 (01:48:52):
Well, because Baltimore is one in five exactly, so maybe
the team is also in.

Speaker 1 (01:48:57):
The last year of his deal. If he's one of
the best guards in football, like he's part of my future.

Speaker 2 (01:49:02):
Well, I don't know if that's the difference, but maybe
he's an older guy, but he's still one of the best.

Speaker 1 (01:49:07):
I know what you're getting I don't know. I wouldn't
be interested in acquiring a guy. Yeah, I wouldn't be
interested in acquiring Okay, just say that I'm going to
make moves. It's going to be like to impact my teams.

Speaker 5 (01:49:18):
Like what if Joe Toney was available for some reason
he was Oh he was available and you weren't.

Speaker 2 (01:49:22):
Yeah, but I'm you know what I'm saying, Like, there's
other places besides running back could upgrade that would help
the running.

Speaker 1 (01:49:30):
Get point in your Joe Tony retort. It was an
excellent one friend. Okay, No, I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (01:49:35):
I was wrong, right, Joe tuning things?

Speaker 1 (01:49:38):
Okay, I was wrong. Who's wrong? Who's a little running
back for the Chargers? You see this guy? But now yeah, yeah, yeah,
he's like with running back My point?

Speaker 7 (01:49:48):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:49:49):
You said teams looking, I mean they're probably looking too. Well,
that's what's amazing. He's like a little Danny woodhead out there,
like Rico.

Speaker 5 (01:49:56):
Dowell is having like two hundred yards from scrimmage and
the Patriots can't find a running fact they can break
a tackle like it just it makes no like it's
not a Paul and I are usually lockstep on the
running backs like they're a dime a dozen't and the
Patriots don't have a dime right now.

Speaker 2 (01:50:09):
Like I just.

Speaker 1 (01:50:11):
It's like crazy, But but like I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:50:14):
Know, maybe with the Chargers it's the opposite. Teams are
giving for a bird a lot of respect and they're
not loading the box and that makes it easier for
the running back.

Speaker 1 (01:50:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:50:24):
I would definitely be more concerned if you know, they
go into next week in Tennessee, and Tennessee just says
we're just going to play quarters in two high safeties
and we're gonna let's see. Maybe if they can't they.

Speaker 1 (01:50:34):
Still can't run it, well we got problem.

Speaker 5 (01:50:36):
But if they can, what do you say that it's chess, Matt,
it's fixed, that's it.

Speaker 1 (01:50:41):
Then well then I would just I want to know
what point total is at the end.

Speaker 2 (01:50:44):
Yeah, Chester's in Portland?

Speaker 1 (01:50:47):
What's up? Chester?

Speaker 12 (01:50:52):
How the field fellas? It feels good Born too and
a top the a scas man, I'm loving it. Got
to keep this momentum rolling because this team is coming
of age big time right in front of our eyes.
By the way, Freddy Scalavino just called said he wants
his sweater. The FBI is reporting that there's a Whitey

(01:51:12):
Bowser siding and the Patriots Dunfilter Studio aka Paul Perilla
with his shamrock.

Speaker 13 (01:51:20):
Good stuff. Man.

Speaker 12 (01:51:22):
I just gotta say it's it's really good to see
the Pats beat a team that they're supposed to beat,
even though those horrible officials almost derailed the momentum and
efforts there at one point. But Drake May that long
ball looks so beautiful, man. I mean, I think all
of us were on our feet on both of those throws,
including the one.

Speaker 13 (01:51:39):
Polt that was called back.

Speaker 12 (01:51:40):
But what a long ball he throws.

Speaker 13 (01:51:42):
It is so pretty, you know.

Speaker 12 (01:51:44):
One concerned to know, you know, we'll talk about the
running game today. We got worked in the trenches on
both sides this last game, and I think you guys
need to kind of elaborate on what's going on there
because I think we don't we need to really improve
in the trenches. I'm concerned that this may be at
you know, a long term thing that might might hurt us,
you know, down the road when we get against more

(01:52:06):
more persistent pass rushes.

Speaker 1 (01:52:07):
And so on.

Speaker 12 (01:52:09):
Uh, Big Mike, you know, I think elderd mentioned in
the post game, but Big Mike really struggled there with
some of the pass rush, and I think these running
backs just aren't getting much of an ability to get
to that second effort. You know, it's time to turn
the page quickly because I feel like Tennessee again is
one of those where the guard can go down a
little bit. Gotta, you know, continue to front load these wins.

Speaker 13 (01:52:29):
We gotta front load.

Speaker 12 (01:52:30):
And continue to build these wins early and often and
get a cushion because to me, the biggest award I
went with Drake way may win is AFC East Champion.

Speaker 13 (01:52:40):
Baby.

Speaker 12 (01:52:40):
That's where we need to start looking trying to soak
up some excitement for some continue winning here, guys with
some positive product progress. Shout out to the PFW Elite
and the whack pack, the best fans out there by apparel,
op and out.

Speaker 7 (01:52:53):
Baby.

Speaker 2 (01:52:54):
All right, I forgot about them, Yeah right, scriber bash
like elite members, they sort of separated.

Speaker 1 (01:53:02):
They call themselves elite.

Speaker 5 (01:53:04):
Big Mike was fine in past protection Remember the fights
among the elites.

Speaker 1 (01:53:08):
Oh yeah, I remember they had not elite.

Speaker 2 (01:53:10):
Yeah, they had Colorado Pats fan says, booties need touchdown
in bounds.

Speaker 1 (01:53:16):
Okay on the play, Okay, yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:53:18):
On the table. You can see Rabel on the sideline
going like this, and like then he like they stopped
the clock and he like looks at the ref flake.
What do you mean?

Speaker 1 (01:53:28):
Like he was right there on it.

Speaker 3 (01:53:31):
And I actually that I worried about it and it
turned out like it wasn't. But like if you if
you watch it in super slow mo from the front,
he sort of catches it like up around his chest
and the ball kind of slides down to his mid
section as he's falling back and his butt lands out
a bounds. Yeah, And I was like, oh, I don't

(01:53:54):
know about this challenge because the whole play is now
under review when you challenge, and I was afraid they're
going to, like especially I said this to my's not catch,
but the way this game has been officiated, you know,
like who knows what's going to come out of this.
And I was like, could they rule that he didn't
have full control when his feet came down and then
he didn't gain full control until he landed out of bounds. Yeah,

(01:54:18):
That's what I was worried about at the time.

Speaker 1 (01:54:20):
Now I don't think that was the case, but.

Speaker 5 (01:54:22):
I mean when they overturned it was a fumble. But
when they overturned the Alice punch out, I was surprised
just because they overturned it like that was.

Speaker 1 (01:54:31):
Hard to see. That was hard to see.

Speaker 3 (01:54:33):
The black uniform made it hard, but you could clearly
see on the punch out the wall moved. Yeah, But
the question was does he have control of it when
he hits the ground or not? Yeah, And it was
kind of hard to tell, But I thought that was
a fumble all the way.

Speaker 5 (01:54:46):
I do agree with the caller about the offensive line
in general, though I do worry a little bit that
it's a kind of a house of cards, like they've
they've grated out really well in all the past. Production
metrics like much much better than last year. But there's
just these little kind of bubbling things under the surface

(01:55:08):
where I'm like, they're kind of holding this together right now,
but is this going to kind of kind of crack?

Speaker 3 (01:55:13):
It might be the best example of May's growth is
I think a lot of these plays, same amount of
pressure last year would have resulted in different outcomes than
they have this year. He's been so good at I
think navigating the pocket and moving around, avoiding sacks to
evans point, protecting the ball when he's doing it. I

(01:55:34):
think that's an underrated part of his development, his ability
in the pocket, whether like it was against Buffalo where
he's leaving the pocket or this week were we're just
moving around the pocket.

Speaker 1 (01:55:45):
Last year, a lot of those.

Speaker 3 (01:55:45):
Plays were just like over when he got the when
you got that kind of pressure, like he's either throwing
it away or getting sacked.

Speaker 5 (01:55:51):
Yeah, I mean, I think you know what you're You're
going to kind of be on this roller coaster with
the rookies on the left side. Like Bradbury's been solid
in pass protection and really kind of all around. But
like is that going to last? Like he wasn't very
good last year in Minnesota, So does that go the
whole season? Moses been healthy, like, you know, does he

(01:56:12):
stay healthy? It just if there's some of these small
sea concerns of like bubbling.

Speaker 1 (01:56:17):
Up under the surface.

Speaker 5 (01:56:18):
You know, I still can't run the ball, like the
offensive line is a little Yeah, it's still a little
bit of a question mark.

Speaker 2 (01:56:27):
Barton Poland also says about the booty play, the clock
doesn't stop if the player goes out of bounds backwards.
I remember a team On's losing a game because of
a great job of recognizing it by Rabel and once
again a horrible job by the crew.

Speaker 3 (01:56:43):
He didn't go out of bounce backwards, but if he was,
if something hit in bounds first, then that's why the
clock should have continued to run.

Speaker 1 (01:56:51):
Yes, yep, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:56:54):
Like in other words, if nobody from the Saints touched him,
does he go out of bounds?

Speaker 1 (01:57:01):
I think yes.

Speaker 3 (01:57:03):
I think he was falling back out of bounds. But
if his knee hit in bounds and no one touched him,
it's still going to be stopping the clock because he
went out of bounds without getting touched.

Speaker 1 (01:57:15):
But that's where the difference would be. Yep, Okay, But
it was a good awareness challenge.

Speaker 3 (01:57:23):
Back to back weeks for Booty, huge plays, keeping the
clock running.

Speaker 2 (01:57:27):
All right, listen, we're going to have back to back
show in fact, three in a row this week, like
we do every week during the season, So we'll be
back tomorrow at noon. Turn the page. We'll start to
look at these Tennessee Titans with their new head coach.
Do they get the new head coach bump?

Speaker 5 (01:57:43):
They also have a new offensive line coach, which is
not would you quit with.

Speaker 1 (01:57:46):
Your son, Paul? If we can if Will got fired
and you were on his staff, would you go out
to sure sneaky big thing. I thought he was the
problem to guy, I would I.

Speaker 3 (01:57:55):
Would definitely, I would definitely quit if twenty.

Speaker 1 (01:58:00):
Twomorrow morning, how's part? What does Barth think about all this?
How was he, you know, dealing with this?

Speaker 5 (01:58:07):
So I think there's nobody on the planet that's more
excited that the Bills are kind of I mean, he
has been predicting it for six straight years, so he
might finally be onto something today that Josh Allen will
win a super Bowl, but it will be with a
different team.

Speaker 1 (01:58:21):
He won't be with the Bills.

Speaker 3 (01:58:23):
And I was like, oh, that's a little bit of
a departure because he thinks Josh Allen stinks.

Speaker 5 (01:58:26):
I was like, let's calm down, all right, they're they're
four and two. They're not two and four.

Speaker 1 (01:58:29):
All right. There, they had a couple of bad weeks.
How differently you can look at a FOURD. You're chiefs
still looking better. Their offense has been better the last
three weeks. Yeah. Notice why I say you're chiefs. He
isn't saying I don't know why they're my chiefs, But
you root I don't have teams. You know who you
root for them because fans don't. I'll tell you who
I want them to lose. You want them.

Speaker 3 (01:58:48):
There's one team in the league outside of New England
that I go to root for on a regular basis,
and that's the ROMs.

Speaker 1 (01:58:54):
The ROMs. Yeah, I like.

Speaker 3 (01:58:55):
I've always liked Matthew Stafford and I just like the
program that they built and the fact that they did
it without doing it the way everybody says you have to.

Speaker 1 (01:59:04):
I kind of like that.

Speaker 5 (01:59:04):
They again, they loaded up, they loaded up, and now
they've drafted really well, They've done a lot of different things.

Speaker 1 (01:59:11):
Well. I like the way the Rams have put it.

Speaker 2 (01:59:13):
Again, he's rooting for something just to prove fans wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:59:16):
It always doesn't matter.

Speaker 2 (01:59:17):
Well, just to prove fans that's what.

Speaker 1 (01:59:20):
You want to go with, that's it. I like the
way that they've gone about business.

Speaker 7 (01:59:24):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:59:25):
Everybody says, you can't, you can't do it that way.
You can't sustain it, you can't sustain it. It's the
brainwashing from here. What round did they get Pooka in? Seventh?

Speaker 5 (01:59:34):
Fifth?

Speaker 1 (01:59:35):
Fifth, fourth or fifth?

Speaker 2 (01:59:37):
Okay, all right, we will see you tomorrow. Hey, this
is Alex.

Speaker 1 (01:59:44):
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Speaker 2 (01:59:45):
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Speaker 2 (01:59:51):
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Speaker 13 (01:59:53):
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