Patriots Unfiltered 10/16: Final Titans Preview, Robert Spillane Interview, Week 7 League Picks

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Speaker 1 (00:05):
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Speaker 3 (00:22):
Celebrating birthdays to become this new thing now, you know,
every day somebody's walking into my office, can you sign
this car?

Speaker 2 (00:28):
Like we got another one of these.

Speaker 4 (00:30):
I remember like working here at some point and like
somebody was like, yeah, first birthday was yesterday.

Speaker 1 (00:34):
I'm like, you know me, that's not my followel.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
Sounds like somebody in Harry.

Speaker 1 (00:38):
Potter thoughts written concerns.

Speaker 3 (00:41):
Yes, well, anyone Cody says Pam is terrible. I have
a lottery about all the guys that don't like Pam.
They secretly want to you know, no.

Speaker 1 (00:52):
Man twelve more catches than anybody else. But yeah, I
would say, are you comfortable with him to bing? Yeah? Yeah,
I mean the volume guy is what he's been the
last few years.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
Yeah, trying to lead you down the road to eis
you won't go there?

Speaker 1 (01:08):
There, I will not go there. Nice player. I didn't
see how I'm coming here.

Speaker 4 (01:14):
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Speaker 3 (01:22):
All right, welcome the Patriots Unfiltered. It is Thursday here
at Jillette Stadium. The gang's all here. It's Evan, Paul, Me, Deuce, Alex,
the other Alex and Matt are in the booth and
we got a big show today because of course it's picked,
so we got to hurry. But right off the top,
you know Patriot's going to Nashville. Before I forget, I

(01:43):
just want to let people know that if you are
going to be in Nashville, there will be a party
slash rally Saturday night. It'll be from six to eight
o'clock that's Central time, six to eight o'clock Central time,
at the sponsored by the Nashville Patriots Fan Club, and

(02:03):
it's at the Live Oak Music Row. And that's at
fifteen twenty two Demon Browne D E M L N
B R E U N Street in Nashville, Demon Browne Street, Nashville,
the Live Oak Music Row. And so that's from six
to end. So they'll be food and food trucks and

(02:24):
all kinds of stuff there. So I always love it
when our fans in the road get organized, and I
just heard of a huge one that's going to be
happening in Baltimore.

Speaker 2 (02:33):
But I don't want to. I don't want to get
ahead of ourselves.

Speaker 5 (02:36):
There are you going to go to this one?

Speaker 2 (02:38):
I might? I might, I might stop in here, And copy's.

Speaker 1 (02:41):
Got to keep the fans wondering.

Speaker 6 (02:43):
I saw some tiktoks of what they're doing in Tampa
for the games.

Speaker 3 (02:46):
Out those Tampa's another one that's going to be a
big one too, son, you know.

Speaker 2 (02:51):
And and by the.

Speaker 3 (02:52):
Way, all this stuff was organized before the Patriots started
showing out this season, So kudos to all our fans
all over the country getting this stuff organized.

Speaker 1 (03:03):
So again, is this event?

Speaker 2 (03:06):
What?

Speaker 7 (03:07):
No?

Speaker 2 (03:07):
This is the Nashville Patriots Fan Club.

Speaker 1 (03:09):
Oh nice?

Speaker 3 (03:10):
Yeah, six to eight Central time, so it'll be seven
to nine Eastern time at the Live Oak Music Row
in Nashville.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
The best.

Speaker 5 (03:21):
Just wanted to get road City in the NFL. Best trip.

Speaker 2 (03:26):
Yeah, Nashville's excited.

Speaker 5 (03:28):
Love it. Broadway Broadways amazing, the food barbecues right up
my alley. It's my favorite trip of the year. And
I love that we've been going a lot. That's great.

Speaker 1 (03:40):
I liked Nashville. Spend some time with Mike Dussolle, very enjoyable.

Speaker 5 (03:46):
If you're going to like go, if you're going to
plan it a road trip with your buddies to like
go to a road game. I know some people do
that every year if they're playing the Titans in Nashville.

Speaker 2 (03:57):
Book it.

Speaker 1 (03:57):
So I got some info, like you mentioned, Tampa might
be a big fan event. Yep, there's gonna be a
lot Patriots fans at the Tampa game. Okay, I'm told
from people who would know such things. Yeah, huge demand
for tickets at Tampa.

Speaker 4 (04:15):
I had it to mean a friend of mine reached out,
her daughter goes to the University of Tampa, and they're
making a thing out of it.

Speaker 1 (04:19):
So it sounds like it's a yeah, love it, hopefully
bringing the noise.

Speaker 2 (04:23):
Yeah, bring the noise and bring home a win.

Speaker 1 (04:25):
So, you know, generally the Miami game is always huge,
but it was so early in the season this year
that I think they're replacing Miami with Tampa. Why get
some son?

Speaker 2 (04:34):
Why not? All right, So here we are Thursday.

Speaker 3 (04:39):
Uh for us as the hay in the barn, are
you still have things you'd need to think about playing
this Titans team?

Speaker 2 (04:46):
How much to think about?

Speaker 1 (04:47):
I think the Hayes and the Barn.

Speaker 4 (04:48):
I feel bad like we were trying to do our
preview thing and it's trying to, you know.

Speaker 1 (04:53):
Talk about the matchups and stuff.

Speaker 4 (04:54):
But you know, beyond cam Ward and Jeffrey Simmons, it's
a little tough to find the guys to about the
Chiga conk Quoll, as Paul brought up, like saying that name.

Speaker 1 (05:04):
I don't know why I get made fun of, made
fun of. There's a lot of things to make fun of,
you know, I give you a lot of him munition.

Speaker 4 (05:12):
I know I I was, you know, when I'm looking
the roster and I'm like, chig a conk quall and
then just Chiga con Quoll.

Speaker 1 (05:20):
I mean, am I good Conky getting that wrong? No,
it's perfect conk quoll. That's that's my question that I
got that one right. Damn it. You seem comfortable with it.
But it's not like.

Speaker 4 (05:31):
That I had to practice like two months how But yeah,
I I I hope the Patriots go down there and
just blow doors.

Speaker 1 (05:39):
That's kind of what.

Speaker 4 (05:40):
I'm I'm hoping it all goes to plan and maybe
most importantly and I don't want to want to say it,
nobody get hurt.

Speaker 2 (05:45):
Pretty get hurt.

Speaker 3 (05:45):
So I remember that game against Tennessee when Rodney got hurt.

Speaker 2 (05:50):
Remember that.

Speaker 1 (05:50):
I remember that. That's when Llasa Dallas Dallas Clark went
off in the AFC Championship game because he was out.

Speaker 3 (05:59):
Well, it's parted what happened, right, Yeah, I wasn't happy
about Rodney getting hurt in that game.

Speaker 4 (06:05):
I remember that one crystal clear, like the last couple
of weeks of the season, right.

Speaker 1 (06:09):
And if I'm not mistaken, Bobby Wade was the receiver
who like, I see your random Rodney Harrison injury. And
it was like a legal block, but it was. It
was a low block and completely unnecessary. Pollared not I
wouldn't say it rose to the Bernard Pollard level, but
it was.

Speaker 5 (06:29):
Not Jack Wagons.

Speaker 1 (06:31):
Not great. But Rodney, you think it had been in
and out.

Speaker 2 (06:33):
Hollared also took out Gronkowski, the same guy. Yeah, yeah, ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (06:39):
Took out. Took out Ridley too in the playoff game.
Oh yeah he did. Oh boy, that's the AFC Championship game.

Speaker 3 (06:46):
Speaking of Ridley, Calvin Ridley, Yeah, he's probably probably going
to be out. So yeah, things aren't looking good in Tennessee. Uh,
up and down the roster and in the front office
and all that stuff. So, uh, Patriots just had.

Speaker 1 (07:02):
Front office is okay, we got out every guy there.

Speaker 3 (07:04):
Mike, Patriots just have to take care of business. Just
handle this like uh weird.

Speaker 4 (07:12):
I don't remember being in this position since like twenty
I don't even know since I've been here maybe twenty nineteen.

Speaker 5 (07:17):
Though, Yeah, I do like the energy. The energy has
been good.

Speaker 2 (07:20):
Okay, speaking of that, we're in the locker room. Yesterday.

Speaker 3 (07:23):
We didn't get to talk to either of you late,
so tell us what was going on in the mood
in the lock Oh.

Speaker 5 (07:28):
I'll just say this, the people in the media contingent
is expanded rapidly, really big media.

Speaker 6 (07:38):
At and saying like who do you know here?

Speaker 2 (07:41):
Yeah, Like I was just going to say, these people
you don't know?

Speaker 8 (07:44):
Yes, yeah, multiple people I have never seen well, because.

Speaker 5 (07:48):
The news stations have obviously turned over personnel.

Speaker 2 (07:53):
He got me there.

Speaker 5 (07:54):
There was a guy that was videoing the press conference room.
He was videoing the media asking Rabel the questions. I
did not care for that. I did not sign a
waiver to be on camera. But yeah, no, probably says
something like that like I I but yeah, the media contingent.

(08:14):
You know, I walked in to Rabel yesterday and there
wasn't even the seat for me, Like it was that
they didn't It was that crowded.

Speaker 2 (08:22):
So it's Tennessee are here.

Speaker 5 (08:26):
Maybe maybe I don't know what is the.

Speaker 2 (08:29):
Media What is the media football game?

Speaker 3 (08:31):
Because I'm thinking that when the media football game happens,
just throw a fast one and say, got a surprise
for you're playing tackle football against the coaches.

Speaker 5 (08:39):
Well, to be honest with your Fred, it's no longer
allowed to be played really because somebody got injured the
last time we tried. I don't want to use names.
Fine though, he's fine walking again.

Speaker 2 (08:51):
It sounds like there could be some ringers now with
all these new faces.

Speaker 1 (08:55):
They were able to save the leg.

Speaker 3 (08:56):
Well yeah, joke, but it was bad.

Speaker 2 (09:01):
So so yeah.

Speaker 5 (09:02):
So I like the I like the energy. I like
what the players are saying. I think that they're they're
not necessarily at least they're not saying that they're drinking
the kool aid. And I think that was Stefan Diggs's
direct quote, don't drink the kool aid just yet.

Speaker 2 (09:17):
Yep.

Speaker 5 (09:18):
So I think that there's good energy and it did
feel yesterday, the size of the media contingent felt the
little end of Brady like a little eighteen nineteen. You know,
there was a lot of people here. It was a
packed house because these are always yeah yeah, because Rable.

Speaker 1 (09:39):
Yeah too, didn't even food.

Speaker 5 (09:41):
Actually might be right.

Speaker 1 (09:42):
Though there might be uh one or two people from
Tennessee here, okay, and soerly it might be. But you
could be right.

Speaker 3 (09:50):
From your conversations Duce and alex and and Evan Paul two. Uh,
you find that there's more people from New England that
are going to be traveling this week.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
Oh that's pretty light.

Speaker 1 (10:02):
Yeah, that's a money thing. It is so.

Speaker 3 (10:06):
But now maybe these people that spend the money say,
now it's worth it.

Speaker 6 (10:10):
Yeah that I don't know this game in particular, it
might be worth it to Sun people.

Speaker 5 (10:14):
Because of the verb and right, yeah, I don't know.
But I thought that there was a lot more people
here in general locker room and Vrabel was packed.

Speaker 3 (10:23):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (10:24):
And then I think the players, I continue to think
that they have great energy, Like the locker room feels
like it has great energy. Practice feels like it has
great energy. You know, they do that like huddle before
practice now or Rabel huddles everybody up right after stretching,
and you heard a lot of like four or four
like four in a rows and things like that, and like,

(10:45):
you know, like they they feel like they're having a
really fun time right now. And you know being here,
which I think is uh is really cool to see
uh and and definitely different. I mean it's funny, like
you know, just seeing the warriors that were here for
the four and thirteen seasons and now all of a sudden,
it's like, you know, everybody's setting a camera and.

Speaker 2 (11:08):
Everybody everybody it's cool.

Speaker 5 (11:13):
Well I don't know about that, but on but it's.

Speaker 1 (11:17):
But we should tease too.

Speaker 4 (11:18):
Reven and I had a chance to sit down Robert
Spain yesterday. I think we'll run that at halftime here
for the show today. Oh good, good stuff, Patriots captain
and asked him a little about but about his start
in Tennessee that's where he initially broke through and you know,
his journey now to get to the point of being
a hackling machine captain here for the Patriots.

Speaker 1 (11:34):
But it was good stuff from from Spolain.

Speaker 3 (11:36):
So we'll hear that during during the half. Yeah, well
it halftime break.

Speaker 5 (11:42):
Yeah, he was good and a lot of and he
kind of, you know, explain said it too. A lot
of guys when you you talk to them about some
of the success they're having, they like immediately pivoted to
like things that could be even better than what they've
already done. And I feel like that has to be
sort of the message, you know that's coming from up
top is yeah, we've won some games and it feels good,

(12:03):
but you know, maybe turn those pressures into sacks, or
maybe you know, make that that throw a little bit
better next time, or whatever the case may be, maybe
run the ball.

Speaker 2 (12:14):
Who won the team? You know, I have to go
down the road. Who won the team?

Speaker 3 (12:17):
Has had winning success in the NFL, like, you know,
gone deep into the playoffs.

Speaker 5 (12:24):
Melon Williams just won a super Bowl. That's right, But
it's Carlton Davis won the Super Bowl with Tom Brady. Okay,
but it's yeah, I mean obviously.

Speaker 2 (12:36):
Yeah he got close.

Speaker 5 (12:37):
Yeah, But other than that, it's not a very deep list.

Speaker 1 (12:41):
Morgan hasn't really right, no, I mean he was briefly, Yeah,
didn't never do anything. When he was in Boltimore.

Speaker 5 (12:49):
Aaron Landry, you know, went to an AFC Championship game,
with Rabel and Tennessee success.

Speaker 1 (12:54):
Who did mispractice yesterday to with? You know, Hollins has
been on every team in the league, so some of
them are good.

Speaker 2 (13:00):
Yeah, okay, did.

Speaker 9 (13:01):
He want to?

Speaker 5 (13:02):
I don't really Collins.

Speaker 1 (13:04):
I don't think Collins has won the Super Bowl. I
think I think haven't got the ones that Milton Williams
and Carlton Davis.

Speaker 5 (13:10):
Yeah, I know them for sure.

Speaker 3 (13:11):
It's you know, I think it's good to have that
mix young guys who are hungry, but also veterans who
have had success that can say this is what it
takes to get there.

Speaker 5 (13:20):
When was Austin Hooper in Atlanta?

Speaker 1 (13:22):
Oh, he was on the suit. He didn't he score
a touchdown in the Super Bowl.

Speaker 4 (13:27):
I would have blocked it out where I think he
might have.

Speaker 1 (13:30):
I think he scored a touchdown in the Super Bowl,
but that was ten years ago.

Speaker 5 (13:33):
But yeah, he was. I think he was longer than
you think he was in Atlanta when they were on
those Yeah, I think.

Speaker 8 (13:40):
I like was on the eighteen Eagles team.

Speaker 1 (13:44):
Mac Collins was on the eighteen Eagles team.

Speaker 5 (13:47):
Google's AI so that that won the Super Bowl against US.

Speaker 1 (13:52):
He might have not played.

Speaker 8 (13:53):
It was probably like one of his first seasons.

Speaker 5 (13:55):
Yeah that was seventeen.

Speaker 1 (13:58):
Wow, we're still.

Speaker 8 (14:01):
Ales, But the super Bowl wasn't eighteen.

Speaker 1 (14:03):
That could be his new mac fact. I actually was
on a Super Bowl I gave.

Speaker 8 (14:05):
Him some ideas yesterday. He seemed really excited about it.

Speaker 1 (14:10):
I was Pop Douglas for you.

Speaker 8 (14:11):
Yesterday is the best. He's just all smiles all the time.

Speaker 6 (14:17):
We were joking. We were having a lot of fun,
and uh yeah. He also mentioned like this is a
really fun year. They're closer than ever in the time
he's been here. Obviously winning helps with that, but a
lot of it just has to do with, like they're
really playing for each other and as a team right now.

Speaker 8 (14:34):
And he vibes.

Speaker 2 (14:38):
Here's an interesting one that I thought that in the
in Patriots history, they have never won in the regular
season three consecutive road games, like three weeks in a row. However, however,
and I'm not sure if this is true. Uh Kakoi
rights in. I hope I'm pronouncing his name right.

Speaker 3 (15:00):
That in two thousand and seven we two three and four,
they won three consecutive road games. Oh, so he's got
it insane at Qualcomm Stadium.

Speaker 2 (15:11):
So then he's wrong.

Speaker 5 (15:13):
Yeah, we two, three and four, and seven was home
against the Chargers, home against the Bills.

Speaker 3 (15:18):
So he's got it at Qualcom. That's incorrect. Sorry Kakoy,
but nice try forty.

Speaker 5 (15:24):
So this is sometimes when I wonder if he used AI.

Speaker 8 (15:27):
AI and sports stats is so terrible.

Speaker 6 (15:30):
I was in a random conversation recently and I wanted
to know who had the most World Series championships in
the twenty first century, and it told me the Giants
and then listed three and I was like, well, I
know the Red Sox have four in the twenty first century,
So I said, what about the Red Sox and then
a I was like, you're right, they're tied, and then
it said the Giants have four and then only listed

(15:51):
three years.

Speaker 8 (15:53):
I'm like, how, Like.

Speaker 1 (15:54):
It's what are we even doing?

Speaker 8 (15:56):
What are we doing? But you.

Speaker 6 (16:00):
Cannot see Twitter people kind of coming back at reporters
with like screenshots of AI stats and it's just like
you go to Pro Football Reference and you can debunk
it in two seconds, and it's just you can't get stats.

Speaker 8 (16:14):
AI is notoriously terrible with sports.

Speaker 3 (16:18):
I think if I was an educational institution, if someone
uses AI to do something you're penalized. But if you
use AI to do something and you're wrong, you're kicked
out of school.

Speaker 5 (16:31):
I mean, it's a problem.

Speaker 2 (16:33):
It is.

Speaker 6 (16:33):
Sometimes I use the Twitter AI to just see like
what narratives are going on and like around the NFL,
just to aggregate, and I stopped doing it because it
was like the Patriots have Matt Judan to help. I'm like,
Matt Judon hasn't been here in two seasons and it
still thinks he's here.

Speaker 5 (16:49):
Like it's just I do like that. You know, as
somebody that grew up in the researcher sports researcher world,
the fact that you still need a human to look
these stats up is good for people like me. That
means we're not going to get replaced by robots just yet.

Speaker 4 (17:05):
It's hard because it's it makes it easy to gather
stuff and some of it will be right, and so
if you're okay double checking it, it can give you
a bunch at once, but you're gonna have to double
check if you have to know.

Speaker 5 (17:16):
The amount of times that we would like do things
by hand, you know, where you had to like go
through game logs and like do and now people probably
just spit that stuff into AI and just take it
at its word for whatever it is, and it's it's
going to cause some royal f ups.

Speaker 1 (17:31):
Yeah, I knew there was a reason why I never
learned how to do any of that stuff.

Speaker 4 (17:35):
Well, I said, I mean, now it's and I We've
been talking about AI for a while now, and it's
you start to realize what is written by AI because
it just sounds the same, you know, the voice of AI,
and it's it's you know people. I mean, I'm hearing
a lot about people are doing all their resumes and
cover letters with AI, and then companies are using just
AI to sort sort those too. And I think we're
gonna come around to a point where you start to

(17:57):
value like individual creativity and you know, people are if
anyone's trying to pawn off like written work from AI,
it's going to be obvious. You know, it's not just
the greatest thing that ever happened. It's in all you know,
it's not just the blank. It's like it has these
phrases that it always seems to use.

Speaker 6 (18:14):
There's just still so much I don't know, there's it
needs to go so much further, Like we're only living
in like the first few generations of AI and not
generations in terms of like yeah, people as age, but
like the like chat GPT three, Chat GPT four, you know,
like there's so much that still needs to happen.

Speaker 3 (18:32):
Yeah, it learns itself, and it's supposed to get better,
but if what you're learning is repeating the incorrect things,
you get deeper into Yeah.

Speaker 2 (18:42):
Right, but anyway, all right, we digress, We digress.

Speaker 3 (18:47):
So again, going back to this game, it just seems
like we feel pretty comfortable here. And not to say
that it's the players, but I'm talking about the media
and everyone talking about the game. I haven't you know,
everyone has said even despite the interim coach bump that
could happen, even despite winning three games consecutively on the road,

(19:10):
is has never happened. There's no way I can pick
the Titans. Yeah, that's what people are saying.

Speaker 1 (19:16):
They just seem in turmoil.

Speaker 4 (19:17):
And I mean that's I mean, we listed off some
of the interim coaches Evan, you know, Jeff Saturday, Antonio Pierce, remember,
and a lot of times, I mean I'd love to
see that it broken down even more by that bump,
Like how many times is it a bump if it's
like a former player and somebody who.

Speaker 1 (19:33):
Just kind of raw ras and knows how to talk
to the players.

Speaker 4 (19:36):
And I don't know if that's going to exist with
with Mike McCoy, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (19:39):
And also I don't know what they felt about Callahan,
Like do players think he got that rude or are
they like thank God we're free or right exactly like that.

Speaker 6 (19:48):
I would wonder that too, because I feel like if
I was the player, I would be more on the
side of the coach because look at the decisions that
organizations made since like what AJ Brown, like.

Speaker 5 (19:59):
Yeah, really started themselves. It really started going downhill with
AJ Brown, and it was changing GM's changing head coaches. Yeah,
and then yeah, like Mike Rabel and then it's you know,
obviously Brian Callahan, but it's also Ran carth On to
Borgazi and like different uh, you know, leadership throughout and

(20:25):
power struggles and like it's kind of been a little
bit of a mess down there.

Speaker 1 (20:29):
Yeah, the last couple of years. The latest mistake and
you guys just rattled off all the different examples of dysfunction.
But if you're going to make the move, you're going
to get rid of Rabel, and then a year later
you got rid of Carthurne. You brought a new guy in.
How do you keep calling like let the new guy
pick his own guy? Yeah, so you end up keeping
him for six games? Like what to what end? Yeah?

Speaker 5 (20:52):
I remember when Rabel was towards the end there, Ryan
Cowden was up for their general manager position. I think
he was the interim general manager at the time, and
they thought that Ryan Cowden was just going to get
the official title, and then out of nowhere they end
up hiring ran Carthin to run personnel. And that was

(21:14):
I think the beginning of the end because it was
kind of like, well, you know, obviously Ryan Cowden is
Rabel's guy, and he wanted that too. Rabel wanted to
be in the chair, and then ran Carthin comes out
of nowhere, and then Rabel leaves and ran Carthin takes over,
and then ran Cartin gets fired, Like it just has
not been a well managed team.

Speaker 1 (21:34):
How much do you think, you know, the whole cliche
of when Mike was here for his Hall of Fame
ceremony and he said what he did, how he said it,
how much do you think that that didn't help impact it,
But he was right.

Speaker 8 (21:48):
Looking at their track history.

Speaker 1 (21:54):
Do you blame the Titans own g Amy Strunk Adam Strunk.

Speaker 2 (22:01):
For that about or that being the reason.

Speaker 1 (22:04):
No, that's not the reason he got fired. Her fired
because he lost, right, but he that definitely greased the skids,
you know, in other words, like if they were twelve
and two, she wasn't going to fire him because he
said something.

Speaker 2 (22:15):
I can't blame her for being.

Speaker 1 (22:16):
You know, disrespectful about his own time.

Speaker 2 (22:18):
I can't blame her for being bothered about that.

Speaker 1 (22:21):
I Like, I can't either, Like that's like I know
a lot of people like you know, look what happened,
Like I don't know, he wasn't winning. They looked like
they were going in the wrong direction, and then he
said that, Like yeah, obviously it was wrong, you know,
like Mike has come here and has the Patriots, you know,
well on the rebuilding process here and on the road

(22:42):
to better things. I'm sure they wish they didn't do
it the way they did it, But I can understand
why she did.

Speaker 3 (22:48):
Just knowing me, i'd i'd have been pissed, Like knowing me,
like if if I don't know if during the time,
you know, Bill Belichick went to another place, went to
the Giants, and while he's still here.

Speaker 10 (23:01):
You know.

Speaker 6 (23:01):
Yeah, But also, like I think about what led Mike
to say that, what was going.

Speaker 11 (23:06):
On behind I don't know exactly in twenty twenty two,
I didn't, you know, Cowden's the interim general manager when
they're in between John Robinson and ran Carthin, and I'm
sure Rabel just thought that Cowden was going to get
the job, and then they ended up hiring a.

Speaker 5 (23:23):
Totally outside hire that out of nowhere, and then Rabel
comes back for the Hall of Fame ceremony and gives
that speech, and that was all happening at the same time.

Speaker 1 (23:33):
So that's kind of what I'm getting at is do
you think Mike did it on purpose?

Speaker 2 (23:37):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (23:38):
Maybe just maybe he just felt he didn't have any
shackles on him, you know, like he could say whatever
he wanted, and and I think in the back of
his mind he's thinking how bad it is back home
and like.

Speaker 6 (23:52):
Compared to yeah, I love the experience here. You're right, Yeah,
I think you can.

Speaker 1 (23:58):
I think he kind of didn't think it was going to.

Speaker 2 (23:59):
Be whatever whatever he thought. I'm glad it happened.

Speaker 1 (24:02):
I don't think he thought it would play in Nashville,
Let's put it that way. I think he you know,
sometimes you're not really thinking it out. Yeah, I think
Mark Mike's a really smart guy. So I'm not telling
you he like stupidly didn't think this would happen. But
I wonder if you just thought, you know, we're amongst friends. Yeah,
you know, and like he remembered the good old days.

Speaker 6 (24:21):
I don't think you can blame her for being upset
about it, but at the same time, I think she
still has to have some accountability with it.

Speaker 1 (24:29):
Oh, she's responsible for what the Titans are now. Like
you guys, both you and Evan Alex just rattled off
coach goes GM, goes, GM goes you know. It started
with John Robinson, then it went to Rabel, then it
went to cart then Carthin's out. New now Callahan's out.
Like like this.

Speaker 3 (24:50):
Is like you said they needed to clean house. There's
this function that new GM. They should have just told
him clean house twice.

Speaker 5 (24:58):
Yeah, Like and Carthen Rabel wasn't ran Carthin's guy and
vice versa, and then they went a year with that
and then Rabel's out and then ran cartin hires Brian Callahan,
then ran Carthen's out and then it just and this
like pretty much all goes back to trading A. J.
Brown And that's when they started.

Speaker 1 (25:16):
Still coming out playing.

Speaker 2 (25:19):
Why did they trade?

Speaker 1 (25:21):
I don't know that was why. That was the one
thread that they pulled that unravel.

Speaker 8 (25:27):
Remember, had like that on a silver platter.

Speaker 5 (25:31):
I don't understand. I mean we all know why. Like
he didn't want to pay him, you know, he was
up for a new contract, and they felt like why, well,
I'm they just felt like they could draft Trailon Burks
and it was the same player, and everybody probably have
told you that it wasn't. But like that, they figured,
would we rather pay the diva receiver thirty million dollars

(25:51):
a year or would we rather draft another receiver in
the top of the draft in the first round and
recycle and just you know, go back to the beginning
with it, and Treylon Burks ended up being an epic
Nikhil Harry level bust and it just didn't work out.

Speaker 1 (26:06):
Was that John Robinson thing?

Speaker 5 (26:07):
Yeah, So John Robinson was at the that was basically
his last decision as general manager was to trade A. J.

Speaker 8 (26:13):
Brown.

Speaker 4 (26:13):
It's a little patriotsy. I mean it's a little Belichickian
of you know. Moving on to the guys, I just
of all the receivers in the league, he's one that
I would say, he's one.

Speaker 1 (26:22):
This is the guy, like.

Speaker 4 (26:23):
You know, and there's maybe three or four of them
that I would just say, you can't let that.

Speaker 1 (26:26):
Guy get out of your building. You would out of
the league.

Speaker 5 (26:31):
He I don't think he's out of the league.

Speaker 1 (26:32):
But it's not hurt. Again, he's not even on the
practice squad. He might have got hurt and they released him.

Speaker 5 (26:39):
But like the Belichick thing, like to me, you know what,
didn't you look at it and might say, like, Derrick
Henry is the engine of the offense. And as long
as we have Derrick Henry and we have good offensive
line play and we have good you know, structure, well
just but this guy might be seventy five percent as
good as a J.

Speaker 2 (26:56):
Brown.

Speaker 5 (26:56):
But we don't really need a J. Brown. We just
need a good receiver.

Speaker 2 (27:01):
And I'm just trying to play devil.

Speaker 1 (27:03):
I think they validity to what you and Mike are saying,
because if you look at like you said, it was
like a Bill thing and it kind of wash and
you look at Bill's track record in and there's a
lot of those things that he did that ended up
working out until they didn't work out anymore. And like Tennessee,
you look back, they had a first round wide receiver
who was pretty good. He wasn't AJ Brown and Corey Davis.

(27:25):
Remember Corey Davis. He was. He was pretty productive for them.
You know, they kind of let him go when they
replaced him with you know, I mean they probably overlapped
a little bit. AJ Brown and Corey Davis had a
huge game against the Patriots by the way, against Gilmore
in eighteen ish seventeen eighteen whenever they played down there.
So then they probably said, well, we got AJ Brown

(27:48):
after we had this guy, so we can let AJ
Brown go and we'll get the next guy. That that
is a Bill move, like I can get the next guy.
It doesn't look until you don't.

Speaker 6 (27:57):
It's just so shortsighted to me, because like if you
don't want to pay him, like.

Speaker 8 (28:04):
What's the return on investment?

Speaker 6 (28:05):
Like invest in a player like that, because one, Tennessee
is a very desirable place to play in terms of taxes,
whether it's a fun city.

Speaker 8 (28:13):
What does he attract?

Speaker 6 (28:15):
What playoff runs do you make and then how much
money do you make as an organization if you do
go on deep playoff runs with a guy like that,
so to just get rid of him because you don't
want to pay him upfront, It's just like poverty.

Speaker 2 (28:25):
Marketable is good for business.

Speaker 8 (28:29):
Imagine that.

Speaker 1 (28:31):
I don't know if anyone's ever told you, but like
you know, like the rich people, they think if you
need to spend money to make money. I don't know
if you ever heard that or that.

Speaker 6 (28:41):
You got to spend it to make it and scared
money doesn't make more money.

Speaker 1 (28:45):
I mean, I like that too.

Speaker 5 (28:47):
I might put that on my I see both sides,
and I know that's controversial, but as like somebody that
like nerds out about the draft, like you draft, yes,
like you drafted poorly, but you traded aj Brown instead
of paying him. You got it first and the third
round pick back, and if you had drafted better, like
if you had hit on the guy, then we're not

(29:08):
talking about any of this, Like if they had drafted
that draft is London Wilson, the lave Burks Pickens is
a twenty two draft. So like if you just draft
another one of those guys, that is Garrett Wilson instead
of Traylon Burks. Yeah, like is it was? It would

(29:29):
it have been the worst. They just did not evaluate
the player, right. I think they picked in the middle
of the first round and then you.

Speaker 1 (29:37):
Know London, like in the top ten.

Speaker 5 (29:39):
Yeah, I mean they would have had to maybe trade
up a little bit.

Speaker 1 (29:41):
But like top, I totally agree with the theory because
I hate when people evaluate trades based on the identity
of the player they drafted. The trade is the player
for the picks. Yeah, and now it's incumbent upon you
to use those picks wisely, but it doesn't become you know,
how often he doesn't hurt as much if you nail
the picks like Evans.

Speaker 3 (30:00):
How often though, does it work for the team that
gets rid of the proven superstar because they don't want
to pay him, and then they immediately draft his replacement?

Speaker 2 (30:09):
Who's Minnesota?

Speaker 5 (30:12):
Is a gamble that Minnesota Vikings traders to Fon Diggs
and drafted Justin Jefferson.

Speaker 2 (30:16):
Okay, that's a good example. That's a good example.

Speaker 5 (30:21):
But like if they if they had drafted Johan Dotson instead,
or maybe it might have been Jalen Rager. I get
my TCU receivers if they had drafted that whoever went
to pick before Justin Jefferson. I was one of those
guys if they had drafted that guy instead of Justin Jefferson.

Speaker 1 (30:39):
So that's that would have been a huge Give me
another one.

Speaker 2 (30:42):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (30:43):
I think Kansas City has worked out well post Tyreek
Hill with the with the picks that they got back.
I think Trent McDuffie was technically.

Speaker 2 (30:51):
Part of Hill and.

Speaker 1 (30:55):
The issue of Trent McDuffie.

Speaker 5 (30:57):
Is an All Pro receiver cornerback, Like he's one of
the best player cornerback, it's one of their best players.

Speaker 3 (31:02):
No, but I'm talking about you got rid of a
you got rid of a position and then drafted someone
from that same position.

Speaker 1 (31:11):
Well, but you don't always have to draft the guy
from the same position.

Speaker 2 (31:14):
It's hard to That's what I'm talking about.

Speaker 3 (31:15):
But that's what I'm talking about though, Like you lost
a wide receiver and you didn't replace him with someone
of his caliber.

Speaker 5 (31:25):
Yeah, I think Minnesota and it worked out great for
both sides. Like that trade where.

Speaker 2 (31:29):
Minnesota is that Jefferson might even be better than that.

Speaker 5 (31:32):
Right, But Dave, you know, Buffalo gets Diggs in his
Prime and Minnesota gets Jefferson and that that worked out
for both sides. I mean, it's hard because what Paul said, like,
it's very seldom that you trade a receiver and then
draft a receiver right immediately.

Speaker 1 (31:45):
That's what I'm saying a small samples.

Speaker 3 (31:47):
The point I'm trying to get at is if you've
got a superstar at a position, it's unlikely that you're
going to be able to replace him in the draft,
at least right away.

Speaker 1 (31:57):
So but the thing is, I agree with Evan. I
don't think there's a lot of apples to Apple's comparisons.
Like most teams that do with something like Tennessee did
would probably not have no receivers. Like I'm not trading
aj Brown up, I don't have any other really good receivers. Yeah,
like Kansas City said, we can trade Hill, we still

(32:18):
have Kelsey who was a lot younger at the time,
and we have other options. And then they draft like
Rashid Rice, who is he's not Tyreek Hill, but he's
a good player, and they they've you know, made it
work because they have Mahomes right. Tennessee had nothing. I mean,
it was Dereck Henry and nothing else. When they made
that trade and now you have to draft a receiver

(32:40):
because we don't have any.

Speaker 2 (32:42):
Right, they got a lot of lunch.

Speaker 3 (32:44):
I think they were more willing to get rid of
AJ Brown because they really didn't have a quarterback yet.

Speaker 5 (32:49):
I think that they had contract negotiations with AJ Brown
that went south, and once they got to the draft,
they realized, we are world's apart on this contract, and
so we're getting these trade offers for him. Because at
the time it was a shocking trade.

Speaker 1 (33:03):
Like it was a shocking trade. I don't remember, but
he's not.

Speaker 12 (33:07):
Didn't Abel want to keep Brown? Isn't that the yes?
Is that that created a rift with him? Yeah, he
sort of wont to power struggle with John Robinson. What
year was that, twenty two twenty two that trade happened,
So it was after they were the number one seed.

Speaker 2 (33:25):
You know, John, you know my John Robinson story, right?

Speaker 10 (33:28):
No?

Speaker 2 (33:29):
You know?

Speaker 1 (33:29):
Maybe so a nice man by the way on the road.
One sit down with him on the road.

Speaker 3 (33:35):
You know, you have your assigned seating in the press box,
and this is a great I didn't like. I didn't
know who this is. Back when John Robinson was with
the Patriots. I didn't know what he looked like. So
I get to my seat and there's this guy sitting
est to me. And you usually our scouts don't sit
with us in the press box. They're if they're there
at all, there's somewhere way away.

Speaker 1 (33:57):
What do you do?

Speaker 3 (33:58):
So I look at this guy and go, are you
supposed to be here? And he's like, yeah, I worked
for the team.

Speaker 2 (34:03):
I'm like, oh, who are you?

Speaker 1 (34:07):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (34:07):
Sorry?

Speaker 1 (34:11):
Did you chat him up?

Speaker 5 (34:12):
A little bit?

Speaker 1 (34:12):
After that? I bit so, But this isn't really a story.

Speaker 4 (34:17):
But he sat in front of us in the press
box in that nineteen playoff game here, and so I
that was just an interesting experience for me to watch,
like an NFL GM sit there and watch his team
win a playoff game on the road.

Speaker 1 (34:28):
You know, I just you tell her he's trying to
keep it in, but he seemed very excited. Could have
really live end it up for you and made you
do it, you know, sitting behind Bill Polian.

Speaker 3 (34:36):
He would slam the table table. You know what the
reft he screamed out about. Doug Flute break his leg?

Speaker 1 (34:44):
Oh yeah, oh yeah his leg?

Speaker 5 (34:47):
Yeah, the GM of the t Yeah, that's an appropriate
amazing there.

Speaker 1 (34:52):
There's two that was a game they won. The Colts
killed us. That that's why Flutey was in the game. No,
I always remember the Raiders, the Raiders staff this.

Speaker 4 (35:01):
Year openly cheering and like yes and doing all that stuff,
and then just the stupid the Chiefs Ownership group that's
like screaming.

Speaker 1 (35:08):
I mean they're super loud. See the Chiefs Ownership Group
is in there. Yeah, there's their box. But if you're
in the press box, it's not like the as Fred
would say, the press box proper, like you shouldn't be
doing that, like Polon used to bang that he was
like with everybody else.

Speaker 5 (35:23):
So I I personally think that they shouldn't be in
the press box totally. And I understand that maybe there's
no room for them anywhere else, and I get there's
logistics to it, but I don't think it's fair to
them because like they're obviously emotional about the situation, and
that's totally fair to themselves with what they're saying, right,

(35:46):
and like all it takes is like you know, now
we talk and tell stories about Bill Polian losing his
mind in the press box, Like we don't need that
happening anymore.

Speaker 4 (35:56):
There's like all the time, Like you know, we walked
down a halftime and you see Elliott or Macro or
you know those guys walking around.

Speaker 1 (36:02):
Yeah, I remember Elliott after the punt return Marcus Jones,
and I was like Chris Farley, like that was awesome.
I did because that was you know, Marcus Jones. I
mean everybody knows I have a crush.

Speaker 6 (36:18):
Do you see, Like how did Elliott walking out at
least at halftime to go grab a quick snack?

Speaker 4 (36:23):
I mean, and we're obviously invested in it, but like
they're invested in it. I mean, this is like their
life that's going before their eyes.

Speaker 13 (36:30):
You know.

Speaker 1 (36:30):
The Poleon thing was a little different, Like the rooting
doesn't bother me, Like they're actual, like this is their
lively Yeah right, but Poleon was a little bit much
is like he was a little everybody heard like the
Patriots time is over. I assume that's the same game you.

Speaker 3 (36:46):
Gots that was the championship of the locker room in
the service tunnel, Like it's our time.

Speaker 2 (36:53):
The Patriots time is over.

Speaker 1 (36:55):
It looks like road game like conquering from War.

Speaker 2 (36:59):
Yeah, you you won super Bowl.

Speaker 1 (37:01):
This is our time.

Speaker 3 (37:03):
Rex Grossman let you off the hook, No kidding, anybody
would have beat the Bears that, but the one that.

Speaker 1 (37:11):
That, that Chiefs group, they go off and like they
have one of the sweets and Mike's right every time.
And unfortunately the last several times the Chiefs have been here,
it's been very quiet in the stadium because the Chiefs
are doing all the scoring and you hear you can't
hear the swet, but like they're like, that's the team.

(37:31):
It's not like it would bother me if it was
like what Evan was talking about, if like the media is.

Speaker 8 (37:36):
The beat writers, like who you like, what are you doing?

Speaker 1 (37:39):
The old the old guys.

Speaker 5 (37:42):
There's a difference between there's difference between cheering and like
it's when a cool play happens, I think it's fine
to have a reaction to it, but it's not cheering reaction.

Speaker 1 (37:53):
But you know, like that's just difference.

Speaker 4 (37:57):
Like that was me last year with Pokakua. He's not
even at I was like, oh my god, you.

Speaker 1 (38:03):
Can appreciate a great play like an individual play. But
like Kevin Mannix and Ron Hobson, those guys when I
first started, they used to talk about the Pittsburgh media
was obnoxious, like in the set, like the Steel Curtain.
They're winning all these titles, and they would carry themselves
like they were part of it, guys. And and when
the Patriots went there, that one of them was telling

(38:24):
a story like all w the Patriots beat them in
three rivers and they then all the Patriots media guys
got up and clapped when the game was over. Little
media media crime. I'm here for it.

Speaker 5 (38:36):
I heard that they're actually letting the water Boy in
the Hall of Fame next year.

Speaker 3 (38:40):
So bitter this some of the some of these teams
that have been around it. It's not so much anymore.

Speaker 2 (38:48):
We've cycled through it.

Speaker 3 (38:49):
But a lot of the press corps, home press coll
like old crusty guys, you know, and they've been there forever,
and they you know, cheering it.

Speaker 1 (38:58):
But but you don't get many that type. You get
as many of those types.

Speaker 2 (39:03):
That are like the young now, the young kids.

Speaker 3 (39:05):
But but I remember in Oakland, this is when they
were playing in the oh.

Speaker 2 (39:11):
Talk about a pit.

Speaker 1 (39:12):
Yeah, remember the outdoor that was like the windows are.

Speaker 2 (39:15):
All the old guy was sitting there because that's how
we did it.

Speaker 1 (39:19):
I always have the window open, windows degrees.

Speaker 3 (39:23):
And the winds blowing, everybody's papers are typing. Like finally,
like a few of us stood up and go, okay,
close the window enough, that's enough.

Speaker 2 (39:34):
Yeah when I when I you made your point, You're
you're tough. Close the window.

Speaker 1 (39:41):
It was like that in Philly too, Like I mean,
we played in Philly in December and like the windows
are open in the press box. I'm like, what do
we do? I can't even feel my extremities.

Speaker 4 (39:50):
Is there a particular stadium that you guys have been
through that you feel like really welcoming and like they
take good care of you and it's a good act.

Speaker 1 (39:57):
Think most of them now, I.

Speaker 3 (39:58):
Think the past majority, Like the people you know that
greet you are always nice, and you know the people
that serve for were always nice. Like for example, in
Buffalo a couple of weeks ago, they have this new
thing in the NFL where you have to look at something.

Speaker 2 (40:12):
It's biometric and it scans your face.

Speaker 3 (40:15):
And the lady in Buffalo goes like, I know what
y'all look like now, but I wish I could see
where you came from so I could have a conversation
with it. And I'm thinking myself, I don't think you
really need to be holding up the.

Speaker 2 (40:25):
Line and having a conversations with everybody.

Speaker 5 (40:27):
But I do watching some of the people trying to
use the face scanner that you know might be not
and they're like, where do I put my face? I'm like,
just stand in front of it, like it's not that hard.

Speaker 2 (40:37):
It works.

Speaker 1 (40:38):
Comes how many times a show he makes fun of.

Speaker 5 (40:39):
Me might have been a certain But when they.

Speaker 3 (40:48):
When they first instituted, this is funny and I won't
give out it the name of the person, but when
they first instituted, it was kind of confusing whether or
not you were at a station where you had to
scan your face or scan and the code that's fair.
And we had an intern here for the PR and
he had his his credential hanging from his belt and the.

Speaker 2 (41:08):
Scanner was up here, and he's like, he's like this.
It was the funniest I won't give out.

Speaker 5 (41:17):
Now that we have these new like universal road credentials,
very helpful, much better.

Speaker 2 (41:24):
Than oh yeah, it's just one credential for every game.

Speaker 1 (41:26):
I will admit when I came in the first game
this year, because last year we had to put the
credential under the thing and then you go in and
then there's the facial scanner. Yeah. I'm like no, no, no, no,
you're all set. Yeah. I was like, okay, so you
would have been making fun of me.

Speaker 4 (41:42):
Minnesota is you know what they can claim nine to
eleven for all of this.

Speaker 2 (41:45):
This is when it started.

Speaker 1 (41:46):
Nine to eleven happened, and then thirty years later we
decided to have facial run.

Speaker 2 (41:50):
But it's been a grabn't have people.

Speaker 6 (41:53):
Sneaking into People sneak into the super Bowl?

Speaker 5 (41:56):
Whoa, that's Jersey's a guy think he said now.

Speaker 3 (42:00):
But there was a guy that was famous. Sports Illustrated
did a story on him. He'd snuck into every Super
Bowl for like thirty or forty straight years. Wow, and
not only in gets into the game, like gets on
the sideline, gets in the locker room and without like
without a credential.

Speaker 1 (42:15):
I got.

Speaker 5 (42:16):
I had a fan here once that got into the
media elevator and she like tried to like staight in
with me, like acting like she was with me, and
the woman that you know runs the elevator looked at
me and was like get this, like get her out
of here, and I was like, she's not with me.

Speaker 1 (42:35):
She's been drinking some bud light.

Speaker 5 (42:36):
Yeah, yeah, she was feeling no pain. But now with
all this facial recognition stuff, I doubt that that would
you have to get buy some a couple of different checkpoints. Again,
I wonder how the.

Speaker 6 (42:46):
Bruins are doing it right now, because I've covered Bruins
games and like, you're up in the halo, but they
also sell seats that's like the banners section.

Speaker 8 (42:55):
It's like a area.

Speaker 1 (42:57):
I know exactly what a.

Speaker 6 (42:58):
Fan had link from the fan area to the reporter side.
So me and bridget Proof from EEI are like looking
over our shoulder and there's this hammered dude double fisting
right next to us, like cheering, and we keep like
turning around.

Speaker 8 (43:12):
We're like, how did you get over here? Like what
the hell? And he's like, am I supposed to be here?
We're like definitely not absolutely.

Speaker 1 (43:18):
So I noticed this there's usually because I was up
there this about probably like five years ago, and I
was doing some sort of event where they have like
the youth things. So when you're done with the it's
like you sell the fifty fifties, so you got I
was one of the adults that got to go and
make sure the kids, didn't, you know, do anything wrong.
So then they let you go up on the ninth

(43:40):
floor and watch from that deck whatever that they call it.
I'm sure it's yeah. So I go over and there's
like a curtain. Alex is right, there's like really no separation.
It's just like this little curtain. And I go over
there because I wanted to see like the Herald guys
that I used to work with, and there's nobody there.
So I just walked over and I'm talking to Steve
Conry for like ten minutes, and then all of a sudden,

(44:01):
the guy shoulders, are you supposed to be here? And
I'm like, no, I used to work at the Herald,
and I was just talking to Steve. I'm gonna have
to ask you. I'm like, no, worry, but there was
nobody there. I would if if there was someone there,
I would have explained what I was trying to do
when asked per mission.

Speaker 8 (44:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (44:18):
Yeah, nobody that stuck into the ninth floor when I
was working for Clinics, like it was video and.

Speaker 1 (44:22):
I was like, I'm not going to sit in the
media room.

Speaker 4 (44:24):
I'm going up and I, you know, have my popcorn
and my water, and.

Speaker 2 (44:29):
They got me.

Speaker 1 (44:30):
Then they're like, no, you're gonna have to.

Speaker 5 (44:31):
See He used to send bart downstairs too.

Speaker 1 (44:35):
It's a terrible place to watch a game.

Speaker 5 (44:36):
Oh I love it, crack me.

Speaker 1 (44:38):
I mean it's better than the media workroom that I
was there watching.

Speaker 5 (44:43):
Did I tell you to ever?

Speaker 2 (44:44):
Tell you?

Speaker 5 (44:44):
Guys the story of Super Bowl fifty three? And Barth
is like, not in the actual press box. And he
showed up to the game and he thought he was
going to be have a seat in the actual press
box and he didn't, and they sent him back to
the convention Center and he had to watch.

Speaker 1 (44:58):
The game.

Speaker 3 (45:00):
Auxiliary and then you have to watch on TV.

Speaker 5 (45:09):
And I had a seat in the press box with
trags and we only could get to be because of
the limit. And so just by himself, just.

Speaker 1 (45:18):
Walking back, you have to go back to the conventions
Center across the.

Speaker 5 (45:21):
He did get their post game though he was there
for postgame.

Speaker 3 (45:25):
Paul and Andy would have to sit in the auxiliary
press which was outside. It was all pressed, but it
was outside. And someone sent me this picture during the
game and it was like, okay, where's Waldo? Can you
find Paul and Andy? And Andy's head was so big.

Speaker 2 (45:38):
I immediately said it was so easy.

Speaker 1 (45:41):
I mean, was it that bad? Like I imagine, like
I kind of want to sit in the crowd, like
you don't want to be in but it's but at
least the atmosphere a little more. There's one thing I
don't like about the press box.

Speaker 4 (45:53):
It's just so quiet, and you know, he's just I
don't know, I missed the like feeling the flow of
the game and the energy, and you know, it's just
kind of watching in the sanitary setting, which is.

Speaker 5 (46:01):
Why the open air press boxes are the best.

Speaker 6 (46:03):
So I sit on the level of the press box
where it's all team employees for the most part, so.

Speaker 1 (46:08):
We're like, I don't think the apple I don't need that.

Speaker 3 (46:12):
All right atmophere eight five five, pass five hundred. Let's
get some calls and emails in nate'son Connecticut.

Speaker 2 (46:18):
What's up, Nate, Ny, Nate Hawk holds on time, Sorry
about that.

Speaker 8 (46:28):
Long.

Speaker 2 (46:28):
I know Christian in LA will never hang up. What's up, Christian?

Speaker 14 (46:32):
I will never hang up, especially when Paul's on the
other side, cranky Paul.

Speaker 1 (46:37):
Yeah, this is for you, buddy. Okay.

Speaker 14 (46:40):
I think we're coming out seven too, Like I said,
but I think The main reason why we're going to
come out seven and two is not just the buy
in on the on the coach. I really think that
we're going to be to unleash some of our offensive
weapons on Tennessee. What I mean by that is, I
think Drake May has a lot of rhythm going with
the passing game, except Kyle Williams. I think with Tennessee's
run deepense being what it is, we really need to

(47:01):
put some emphasis this week on forcing the run. I
know it may be May that look good early and
we got Vimandre's problems and Henderson is really developing, but
these games like the ones against teams like Tennessee affords
us the ability to really focus on one particular part
of our game that we really need to push. What
do you guys think about that idea?

Speaker 5 (47:21):
Sure I thought about I guess so, but I don't
know if we're there yet as.

Speaker 2 (47:25):
A NCH Christian. But like, what is forcing anything good?

Speaker 5 (47:30):
I'm not. I don't know if I would say call
it forcing, But some live in game reps of the
run game I think is what this team is missing.
I think they need more time on task. I think
they need more reps. You don't practice in pads anymore.
You don't hit in practice anymore. So the way it
developed the run game is, you know, when it's not

(47:50):
going well. Now, I don't know if you're at the
point yet where you can kind of go into a
game and be like, let's take this as a practice.
You know, like I don't think we're there yet, but
it did you know that dot? Did dot on me?
A little bit of like do they try some different
runs this week? Do they try some new wrinkles? Do
they try some things?

Speaker 1 (48:08):
The different part of it I'm interested in. I don't
know anything, as you guys know. I let him break
all the film down, but with Simmons in the middle,
and then if sweat and I don't know, if Sweat
comes back, do you try more outside zone against the team?
Like that?

Speaker 5 (48:27):
They've been running a decent amount of it, but I
just maybe you've been practicing some things and you haven't
been ready to bring it to a game yet, and
like this might be the week where all right, well,
if we like try that wham scheme and it doesn't work,
like we probably Drake will pick up the third and
ten and will probably be OK.

Speaker 4 (48:47):
It'd be great to get a lead, and then not
only do you get to work on your run game,
but you can also work on your pass defense. Probably
a little bit too, because they're going to be throwing
the ball trying to come back.

Speaker 8 (48:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (48:56):
I hate to like act like we're there at that
point that.

Speaker 1 (49:00):
But that's my only Yeah. I mean, I think they're
going to win these games too, But I thought they
were going to win the game last week, and you know,
when was the period of the game where you could
work on your things that you need to improve, Like
they needed to try to score every time they got
the ball because they had to. Yep, And I just
worry that, you know, when you're going this isn't like
the Brady Patriots, where you you know what, We're going

(49:22):
to win this game by as many points as we
want to. Let's work. Let's get the running straight out
this week. Hopefully, like you guys said, they get a lead,
and I think that that could absolutely happen. Get a
lead and then all of a sudden the second half.
We're not necessarily worried about style points. We're trying to
get this running game, get some live reps, and get
some work on it. But I would have thought you
could have done that against the terrible run defense last

(49:43):
week and you couldn't.

Speaker 5 (49:44):
Yeah, I mean all the run game stuff. It's it's angles,
it's you know, techniques, it's in all these different things,
and like it's hard to simulate that type of stuff
in practice, especially the way they practice nowadays. Like maybe
on Wednesdays you can it, but like once you get
to Thursday and Friday especially, you're not really in the

(50:04):
trenches like hitting people at that point.

Speaker 3 (50:08):
Colin Pembroke says, I have concerns about the game, first
as the interim bump, but that's minor to me. The
major concerns are Jeffrey Simmons going against Jared Wilson and
our pass defense going against cam Ward. I fear Simmons
could take over and mess up our offense, allowing Ward
to take advantage of our poor pass defense, making the
game close and a trap game. I predict the Patriots

(50:28):
still win, but it's close twenty four to twenty one.

Speaker 2 (50:31):
Oh boy.

Speaker 5 (50:32):
I just have a hard time believing the way that
they have schemed the pass protection to really good levels
so far, that like Josh McDaniels and Doug Moron are
going to go into this game and not have a
plan for Jeffrey Simmons that can be somewhat effective, right, So, Like,
it's not like they're going to just say to Jared Wilson, hey,

(50:53):
if he lines up over your outside hip on the
three technique, like good luck kid, Like you know they're
not going to do that. So as much as I
hear his concerns about Jeffrey Simmons, he's a hell of
a player, I have to think that every single snap
ninety eight is going to be accounted for in some
way shape.

Speaker 1 (51:10):
And this is sort of you guys, you know, talk
to me a lot about the Saints last week, and
you pointed out all the close games. This isn't that
with Tennessee. It's thirty three, nineteen forty one to twenty
twenty six to nothing. Most of their games have not
been overly competitive. No oh, and the one that they
won was like it was not competitive, Carlos Ball going

(51:33):
into the end zone, Jacob and Illinois.

Speaker 2 (51:36):
Would there be any.

Speaker 3 (51:36):
Merit to giving the full back westover any touches in
the run game? Fullbacks are generally big guys who are
hard to bring down and might potentially get some easy
short yards for us as well as open up the
play calls for a full back fake making opposing defenses bite.

Speaker 5 (51:52):
I love a good full back dive on short yardage.
But I actually think that the full back thing is
relevant in terms of the blocking.

Speaker 2 (52:01):
Yeah, what about just lining him up in power eyes.

Speaker 5 (52:03):
Well, they they've done some of that, and it hasn't worked.
I think that their absence of having like a true
battering ram fullback has been a factor in why this
run game has not worked, because it's a big part
of what they want to do schematically, and what Josh
has done schematically in his history.

Speaker 1 (52:21):
And off season needs list of him.

Speaker 5 (52:23):
Yeah, I mean that they wanted uh scout with that
undrafted free agent. They wanted brock Lampy to be the
full back, and he was going to make the roster
as back as the full back, and he got hurt
and and then like Westover is not a full back
like and this is no disrespect to Westover, he's just
he's just not a full back. Like, he doesn't have
that low center of gravity, he's not dense enough like,

(52:44):
he's just he's not built like a full back. So
I am a little bit surprised that they haven't brought
in any uh competition or you know, kicked around at all,
you know, Like I think yak of Johnson, like they
probably could have signed him. I think he's on the
practice squad in Houston maybe for a little while. Like
the fact that they never really pivoted off of Jack
Westover has been interesting.

Speaker 3 (53:06):
Okay, let's see Tom in New Jersey. Feels great that
the Patriots are top of the division. It seems like
perhaps a playoff birth is a real possibility. With that said,
what position do you think is the biggest need that
should be addressed via the trade in season? Be a
trade in season, and we talked about that yet, running
running back, linebacker or safety?

Speaker 5 (53:27):
Right yeah, I'd say it sounds like there's going to
be a market for running backs and I that, to
me right now is the one position that you could
probably trade for and immediately have that player contribute. Like
I think at linebacker in safety you probably are you'd
have to really go out and trade for a true
upgraded player at that spot to like take the players

(53:50):
that are currently playing off the field for that guy.
But at running back, you need a third running back,
Like you're not going to make it through the season
with two guys.

Speaker 3 (53:57):
I agree this is interest Jack in Barcelona. Uh have
been listening since six and for the very first time,
I'm enjoying our team victories on and off the field.
Before the so called good times, there was always something
that made me not enjoy fully the team's success. And
right now the victories are really enjoyable. I wonder what

(54:20):
that is, Like, why wouldn't you be enjoying.

Speaker 2 (54:22):
It back then?

Speaker 1 (54:24):
I have a guess he's having fun.

Speaker 2 (54:25):
Oh you think so?

Speaker 1 (54:26):
Yeah, really, I don't think you. Probably was a huge
fan of the coach Okay sucks who sucked the air
out of every room he was ever in, And.

Speaker 4 (54:34):
It might totally not be what he's talking about, but
I felt like in those years there was always this
overriding pressure of like, yeah, that was great winner loss,
but like, what's gonna happen in the NFCY champions.

Speaker 1 (54:43):
Right back in, Jack, I'd be curious to see you
know why, you know why you felt that way. But
my guess would be he wasn't a huge Belichick fan,
So all right, put one down.

Speaker 5 (54:53):
He's having fun in the beginning, you know, with obviously
oh one, like they were underdogs, but I'm with deuced,
Like eventually it became a pressure of being the favorite
of like.

Speaker 1 (55:04):
Clocks ticking on if you lose, but like if you.

Speaker 5 (55:06):
Lose in the AFC Championship game or the super Bowl, like.

Speaker 1 (55:09):
What you want? And he didn't find it all? You
know that.

Speaker 5 (55:12):
Yeah, but I can I understand if that's what he's
coming from. I under like there was you always got
a little bit like this one. It's like you're kind
of playing with house money a little bit. Like when
they were in the peak, it was kind of.

Speaker 8 (55:25):
Like defend the wall. Yeah, there was people.

Speaker 5 (55:28):
Pressure that too.

Speaker 4 (55:29):
I mean, I mean, I just how could you have
a worse loss than two thousand and seven when you
win every game except the last one? You know, like
it's like, you know, it's high class problems to have.
It's like hard to explain it to somebody's never even
been to a super Bowl. But it's like when you're
at that point and you had you thread the needle
for whatever it was eighteen weeks and then the last one,
you know, it comes down to the last few plays,
and yeah.

Speaker 2 (55:49):
That was I get it. I get it.

Speaker 1 (55:54):
I understand why losses were disappointing. I don't understand why
wins weren't. You know, I'd like to hear, because.

Speaker 5 (56:00):
I think you were, like there was a point where
it was.

Speaker 1 (56:04):
Checking boxes almost you would.

Speaker 5 (56:06):
It would it felt worse to lose than it felt
great to win, like if that makes sense, And so
that's generally so when winning was like a relief, whereas
losing was just devastating.

Speaker 1 (56:17):
Yeah, I've always felt winning was worse than I mean,
losing felt worse than winning felt good totally, And every
score I ever played, yeah.

Speaker 8 (56:25):
Totally like a lot of expectations.

Speaker 4 (56:27):
Yeah, like checking boxes, Like you know, it's like you
lose the game you're like thinking about all week, and
then you win it.

Speaker 1 (56:32):
It's just like, yeah, done what we're supposed to do it,
We're moving on now. I would absolutely agree with you
guys right now, like in the app, you know, still
new and it's if they lose, everybody's going to be disappointed,
but you're still going to be excited that Drake May
is what he is and the team is heading in
the right direction.

Speaker 4 (56:48):
You didn't just lose home field advantage in the AFC
because you had a brain fart.

Speaker 2 (56:53):
In October at Pittsburgh, Kyle and Marshfield.

Speaker 3 (56:57):
As we know, the Patriots having tough time running the ball,
and he understands that a lot of that is because
teams are having eight in the box. So he's wondering,
what are the stats for the Patriots running game when
teams don't play in the box.

Speaker 5 (57:09):
Yeah, it's a good question. They're they're about the same.
I was looking at this yesterday, but we are dealing
with a pretty small sample size, so it's hard to
say because like they've only really run into light boxes,
like I don't know, twenty five times, right, so, like
it's not a huge sample, but they are about the same.

(57:30):
So right now, if you wanted to make that case
to take to that next step, right now, they're not
running well against either box, Let'll.

Speaker 2 (57:36):
Say Sam's in Connecticut. Hey Sam, Hey, Yeah that's.

Speaker 15 (57:42):
How's it going good?

Speaker 16 (57:44):
Okay, yep, okay cool. I just had one question about
Kyle Williams, just because we haven't really heard too much
about him recently. Do you guys have any reports on
like how he's been doing in general from like practices
or stuff like that. Did it have been promising or
is it? Does he still seem pretty far away? I

(58:07):
just haven't really hurt much. So I don't hear thought.

Speaker 4 (58:10):
I mean, we don't know how they do in practice,
but I will say I thought Stefan Diggs had an
interesting thing he said yesterday his locker where he's just saying, man,
Kyle missed that Gobal. We wanted it for him so bad,
like he's been, you know, scratching the surface, and you know,
just hearing Stefan Diggs kind of talk about it, you
could tell that he's been making some plays and that
they're pulling for him and that they really want him
to be part of this success that that.

Speaker 1 (58:31):
Whole group is having right now. I thought that was
kind of interesting.

Speaker 5 (58:34):
Yeah, that he has moments on film. I just think
that his uh, the connection between him and Drake May
right now is new and it's not necessarily a finished product.
You know, he had an out in the game for
example last week where Drake kind of overthrew it, didn't
throw a great ball, and he threw like an in
cut to him later on in the game as one
of his few misses in the game as well, and

(58:55):
so some of the just ball placement, you know, where
exactly is he going to be, like, what are his
like steps out of the break and like all those
like little nuances I think are still they're still working on.
But then you won't look at the speed and the
separation and it is there and flashes. So that's encouraging.
But right now, every time he targets him, it seems

(59:17):
like it's just a little bit, a little bit off.

Speaker 2 (59:19):
Eldred's in North Carolina. What's up, Eldred?

Speaker 13 (59:25):
Hey, Hey, they're doing.

Speaker 9 (59:29):
I'm doing. Thank you?

Speaker 16 (59:30):
Hey, Paul, Yes, sir, to try out Tuesday Wednesday.

Speaker 8 (59:36):
I think one was.

Speaker 16 (59:39):
I think Commanders and some.

Speaker 8 (59:41):
Way up another another team.

Speaker 6 (59:43):
That that's hurting receivers heard but never heard heard that nail.

Speaker 1 (59:49):
But I don't want him either, No, of course you don't.
I didn't love him, big slow receiver.

Speaker 5 (59:56):
That's style versus Yeah, but right, I'm open, yeah, yeah, big.

Speaker 16 (01:00:06):
Prediction thirty thirty thirteen.

Speaker 2 (01:00:10):
Thirty thirteen. Okay, sounds good.

Speaker 1 (01:00:13):
I'll take that team. I could see something, all right, Eldred.

Speaker 2 (01:00:16):
Thanks for the call.

Speaker 1 (01:00:17):
Something like that.

Speaker 3 (01:00:18):
One more email out from Wisconsin. Really enjoying these wins
because there's nobody on the team I have problems rooting
for since the Brady era. Each win irked me for
different reasons. When Bill was clearly done.

Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
I worriedesting to me, yeah, I worried that.

Speaker 3 (01:00:31):
A handful of wins would keep a clearly declining coach around.
When Mac was quarterback, I worried that each win might
cement the guy I didn't like rooting for as my
team's quarterback. Now I like the team, I like the coach,
and I love the quarterback.

Speaker 1 (01:00:43):
Well, there you go.

Speaker 5 (01:00:44):
That's fair.

Speaker 6 (01:00:44):
Okay, this is my favorite locker room since I've been here.

Speaker 2 (01:00:49):
Oh okay, I pray all right. Well, nothing like a
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Speaker 1 (01:00:55):
Yeah, hungry too, Yeah, I'm hungry.

Speaker 2 (01:00:56):
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Speaker 4 (01:03:04):
Excited now to be joined by Patriots captain Roberts Blaine. Robert,
thanks for sitting down with us here today.

Speaker 1 (01:03:09):
I appreciate you, guys.

Speaker 4 (01:03:10):
I got to start with Tennessee, though I know that's
where you started your career. Just when you look back
from where you started to where you are now, does
it make your head spin a little bit? How far
have you come?

Speaker 20 (01:03:18):
Yeah, It's it's crazy to look back eight years ago
and see that undrafted player who was stepping into what
he didn't know that what.

Speaker 1 (01:03:26):
The future would hold.

Speaker 20 (01:03:27):
So to be here today looking back on those moments
is special to me.

Speaker 3 (01:03:32):
Robert.

Speaker 5 (01:03:32):
It seems like your comfort level in the defense. I
know you've played in this defense before, but just improves
week to week and you guys are really starting to
come together. How what has led to That's kind of
the process that's led to where we are now.

Speaker 20 (01:03:44):
Yeah, most importantly for me, it's getting to know the
people in front of you, behind you, next to and
how they like to play. And every week is another
week of confidence and the guys around myself confidence within myself.
So I'm really excited to see how our defense is
trending right now.

Speaker 5 (01:04:00):
The run, Deven's been great, and I'm just wondering, you know,
you're a big part of that obviously, like what goes
into that? What are some of the schematics you guys
are able to do to stop the run.

Speaker 20 (01:04:09):
Yeah, there's a ton of schematics that can go into it,
but at the end of the day, you have to
be able to beat the man in front of you,
get off a block, and make a tackle.

Speaker 1 (01:04:17):
And I really think our D line has really.

Speaker 20 (01:04:20):
Been extraordinary in the run defense, especially this year, taking
on double teams, getting off double teams, bar More is
off to block Melton. Our edge players have been freaking
havoc all year. So I'm really proud to play behind
such a dominant D line.

Speaker 1 (01:04:36):
What's up been like for you those two guys.

Speaker 4 (01:04:38):
I mean, you've seen the amount of disruption that they
cause in front of you, and how they just have
the ability seem like the blow plays up there.

Speaker 20 (01:04:44):
Yeah, they demand a lot of attention up front and
in the middle. And when you get guys that are
dominant up there, it makes offense have to game plan
around them. So we've been seeing a lot of runs
that maybe bow In our favorite to try to run
it away from those guys.

Speaker 4 (01:05:01):
Yet next to you joining to By just came back
last couple of weeks. You know what is he brought
to the defense in the linebacker room.

Speaker 20 (01:05:07):
Yeah, he's a physical, dominating, veteran presidence out there who knows.

Speaker 1 (01:05:11):
How to play football.

Speaker 2 (01:05:12):
He is a true football player.

Speaker 20 (01:05:14):
It doesn't matter where you put him at on the field, inside, outside,
deep in coverage, blitzing.

Speaker 1 (01:05:20):
He's got a.

Speaker 20 (01:05:21):
Real knack and for the game and for violence as well.
He's not afraid to put his hands on people at
any time when it.

Speaker 5 (01:05:28):
Comes to you know, Zach Korr and just him running
this defense last couple of weeks, what's it been like
playing for him and what does he bring to the
table as a coaching.

Speaker 20 (01:05:37):
Yeah, he brings so much clarity and confidence within the
game plan. His way of articulating it is clear and precise.
He knows how he wants the defense to look, and
he emphasizes it. And I always say coaches are going
to get what the emphasize. So emphasize an effort, swarm
to the ball, attempts on the ball, and that's and

(01:05:58):
that's where our defense is trending right now.

Speaker 4 (01:06:00):
Yeah, you guys have had two games on the road.
You've got a third game now, kind of rare in
the NFL. Just what can that do for the team?
You guys a lot of road trips, you're together a
lot early in the season. Can I kind of build
the team up a little.

Speaker 20 (01:06:09):
Bit, no doubt, especially with such a new team here,
with so many new guys in this locker room. These
moments are moments of bonding, moments to get to get
around your guys and really get to know each other
at a deeper level, and hopefully those connections are going
to pay dividends for us later down the line.

Speaker 5 (01:06:26):
Last question for me, what's it like being a captain
for Mike Rabel, Like, what goes into that?

Speaker 20 (01:06:31):
What sort of your expectations are very high. I've always
had high expectations for myself, but it makes me hold
myself to a higher standard. I know I need to
be visible for my teammates. I need to be a
teammate that people trust and can rely on, a clear
voice of the defense, and somebody that they can turn

(01:06:52):
to when something's going wrong. So every day I just
strive to try to be the best teammate that could be.
And we take it one day at a time.

Speaker 4 (01:07:00):
Our game on the schedule coming up next, one's up.
What are you looking from for your defense down there?

Speaker 20 (01:07:05):
Keep the main thing, the main thing, Keep our identity, Uh,
first and foremost. We need to rely on our identity,
especially in these away games. Who are we as a
defensive ball hawking, physical defense, who's going to play with
one hundred percent pure effort every snap of the game,
whistle to whistle.

Speaker 5 (01:07:23):
We see that, honestly, Like we watch a lot of
the of the day. We're kind of you know, guys
nerds like call it that, and like you guys fly
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you know, just attitude, and we we.

Speaker 4 (01:07:35):
Definitely play a couple of weeks ago, you seven guys,
everybody's right there and four more ready to jump.

Speaker 1 (01:07:42):
On it, no doubt.

Speaker 20 (01:07:44):
And and that has to be the style of our defense.
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And now great moments in.

Speaker 2 (01:11:48):
History.

Speaker 3 (01:11:48):
Why the Patriots never blew anybody out in the Super
Bowl says always been a mystery to me.

Speaker 1 (01:11:53):
I think they kind of low key one night, you know.
I never felt like everyone says that he never had
any fear of losing the game against frances I never
had any fear of losing.

Speaker 5 (01:12:04):
That's exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:12:04):
I had fear of.

Speaker 1 (01:12:05):
Going to Pittsburgh in the AFC Championship game, and I
know what the score ended up being, but that game,
to me was the Super Bowl. I never had any fear.
I thought that the Patriots did not play particularly well
in the first half of that game. The second half
they asserted their dominance. They got a ten point lead
with whatever it was three minutes left. Yep, Eagles got
to know by the way, touchdown at the end.

Speaker 5 (01:12:27):
It's a perfect comparison exactly how I never felt that
game was in doubt.

Speaker 2 (01:12:32):
Yeah, I didn't feel fear it myself. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:12:35):
You were thinking you were at that one for oh god, yeah,
come on, I wasn't.

Speaker 2 (01:12:40):
Oh that was the one Pop didn't get to go
to I that's another great moment. All right.

Speaker 3 (01:12:48):
Back here in Patriots Unfiltered eight five to five PATS
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somebody's gonna get made fun of in this one.

Speaker 4 (01:13:11):
Okay, all right, focus on me, okay, maybe a little
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Speaker 3 (01:13:21):
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Speaker 4 (01:13:36):
We got to go there a biting commentary on my
flag football coaching prowess last week by a special guest
writer you know from flat was it Flag Sports Journal?

Speaker 1 (01:13:45):
Yeah, pretty tough. Trying to bounce back this week.

Speaker 2 (01:13:48):
I think we got flag.

Speaker 1 (01:13:50):
Buddies there to go to the press conferences, Kevin and
John with you like tuesday, Flag From what I've heard,
you certainly deserved it.

Speaker 4 (01:13:58):
Yeah, I'm trying to We got to practice tomorrow. Wee
called sit verse zone run away from man. We got
to get that. We got to get the team to
understand that. You know, That's what I'm trying.

Speaker 2 (01:14:08):
To This is flag football.

Speaker 1 (01:14:10):
I got out. I got out, coach.

Speaker 2 (01:14:12):
Something tells me somebody's overthinking.

Speaker 1 (01:14:14):
It took over a half to realize the other team
was playing zone last game.

Speaker 4 (01:14:19):
Well it's interesting because you can study this stuff, but
then when you actually have to like put it into practice,
it's a little bit more of a challenge, That's all
I say.

Speaker 1 (01:14:26):
And he's got playmakers.

Speaker 2 (01:14:27):
He just comes mom, coach do So said I have
to play in a show. I don't want to play
in a show. I want to play in a universe.

Speaker 1 (01:14:34):
It was even worse. The kids were saying that they
lost because of the coach.

Speaker 2 (01:14:39):
Oh my hand pick.

Speaker 1 (01:14:41):
Quarterback has already turned on me. Wow wow.

Speaker 4 (01:14:45):
I think I think he was catching some flak though,
and he's just you know, he's putting the blame on me.

Speaker 1 (01:14:48):
I can handle it, fred I told him, like, you
want to blame play me. I can handle it.

Speaker 4 (01:14:52):
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Did you put that over there exactly? Evan has gone
to the locker room.

Speaker 4 (01:15:35):
Yeah, you went to Josh, And I think the locker
room is starting early day, so I'm just gonna I'm
gonna go late so I can do picks.

Speaker 1 (01:15:41):
Oh good, I want to mess up the thing great,
no no long brand?

Speaker 2 (01:15:45):
Yeah, Sean's and Vancouver. What's up Sean?

Speaker 16 (01:15:49):
Hey guys.

Speaker 13 (01:15:52):
Yeah, So you were mentioning earlier how this cut and
draft kind of messed up the Titans. But I can
think of you know, when it happened with the Patriots too,
you know when they had Carris and they had Shaq
Mason and their their interior was good, and they let
them go and then they made that strange pick. So

(01:16:13):
that kind of let us down where, you know, to
where we had to rebuild.

Speaker 21 (01:16:18):
Now, on a positive note, this season, even though the
Patriots are four and too, there's only one team that
beat the Patriots, and that's the New England Patriots. So
if they don't beat themselves, they're going to win. And
I'm going to guarantee another win this Sunday against the Titans.
I'm saying Patriots thirty five, Titans fourteen, So go Pats

(01:16:43):
and I'll make it quick.

Speaker 1 (01:16:45):
Thanks ticker, Okay, thanks Sean beat down ye wanting to
get back here? Did thirty five fourteen Patriots are the
only team that can beat them in this game, in
this game, he said, all the games.

Speaker 2 (01:16:59):
All the game. Oh, I disagree with that, you know,
but the only team. I mean, I disagree with that.

Speaker 3 (01:17:08):
Again, we talked about this yesterday, but you said it, Paul,
there's not a big difference between these teams.

Speaker 1 (01:17:13):
I think there's I think there's a difference between these
two particular teams in light of everything that Alex and
Evans talked about at the start, like this, there's a
lot of stuff going on in Tennessee, right, that goes
far beyond the lack of talent on the roster.

Speaker 2 (01:17:26):
Yeah, but up and down the schedule, that's not the
Case's not.

Speaker 1 (01:17:28):
Yeah, there's not a lot of those Like New Orleans
last week was every bit as good as you were.
Drake may was the difference. He was a little better
than Spencer Ratler.

Speaker 2 (01:17:37):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (01:17:37):
You know he was able to throw the ball into
the end zone from afar, right, I mean, you end
up making a couple of big plays for touchdowns from
a that's like that was the difference in the game.
Rattler was kicking field goals. Well, May you know three
big play touchdowns.

Speaker 3 (01:17:56):
Franklin and Baltimore. I'd say Paul's statement about Belichick is correct.
I'm thinking about when the Eagles beat the Patriots, in
the Super Bowl and one of the players said the
Patriots didn't make winning look like any fun. I think
that was Lane Johnson or something else.

Speaker 1 (01:18:09):
Lane Johnson, Yeah, I.

Speaker 3 (01:18:11):
Believe Brady Express expressed something similar after we won in Tampa.
Looking back, outside of the blowouts, the best one being
the butt fumble game, can't recall many of the closer
games being fun to follow. Wow, all this stuff is
coming out now, Like, where were you back when we
were winning.

Speaker 2 (01:18:26):
I don't remember people saying I'm not having fun? And
I had fun.

Speaker 1 (01:18:30):
Andy and I were there, Okay, just walks alone that
Cincinnati twenty fourteen game on to Cincinnati. That was a
fun That was a fun game. That was a fun one.
That was a fun game. But I understand the point
that I think people are making, Like both that you
guys said about they were so good that sometimes the

(01:18:52):
winning was so expected that you didn't really enjoy it
as much. But I think it was I think it
had to do with the personnel. We had a famous
argument Andy and I with Fred. I don't remember when
it was, but it was like in the middle of
all the dynasty and I just said, very simply, if

(01:19:12):
you could be guaranteed all the wins. And I'm not
changing the result of any single game. But I could
put another coach in place of Belichick, Andy Reid, you know,
would be you know, whoever? Would you do it in? Fredza?

Speaker 19 (01:19:28):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:19:30):
And I was like, you're not You're not being honest,
Like it's it's intellectually dishonest. You can't possibly think that
that's the way you have to do it. Like I'm
telling you it's the same in terms of the result.
You wouldn't rather have a like Mike Rabel Like you
know you like that one, huh? Like isn't that much

(01:19:51):
more enjoyable to watch?

Speaker 8 (01:19:52):
And yeah, I think the fans embraced his.

Speaker 1 (01:19:56):
Right because they thought that was why they were winning.
And now but I think time has told us that.

Speaker 3 (01:20:05):
But I think the fans also liked the ambracive guy
to the media.

Speaker 1 (01:20:11):
Because they thought that's why they won.

Speaker 6 (01:20:13):
Okay, at that Super Bowl it was like, Bill, do
you need anyone murdered for you?

Speaker 8 (01:20:19):
Like that?

Speaker 3 (01:20:22):
I think having that weird guy as your head coach
was part of the charisma.

Speaker 2 (01:20:27):
And you know, you know, scowling and where the where
the bad guys? But we're winning and like but I think.

Speaker 1 (01:20:34):
A lot of other people looked at it and said,
you don't have to be a jerk. Yeah, you know,
it would be better if he was in the situation. No,
I'm not doubting you guys. There was probably people that
embraced it. The Wall morons embraced it. They did. But
I but I look at it and said, like, you
can't possibly look back and say, oh, that's why they won.

(01:20:56):
And I think that's why the Wall people embraced it.
They thought that was the only way to win. Yeah, Well,
because Belichick brainwashed everybody into thinking if I don't talk
to the media, not mean to everybody, and we don't
do this, and we don't do that, we don't pay
anybody this, we don't do that, and like that's how
you win. And you realize, no, that's not the only
way to win.

Speaker 4 (01:21:14):
As someone who created the Bill Belichick hoodie database, I'd
say I was really enamored with the genius of Bill Belichick. Genius,
you know, of the genie and that I wanted to know, why, why,
what schematically does this guy do differently? How does he
see the game differently? And that was what was most
interesting to me. I did the hoodie thing. It's like,
you know, kind of a fun joke. But at the

(01:21:36):
same time, what drew me to him was not the
snarly attitude or the way he seemed to resent.

Speaker 1 (01:21:40):
The media, was they're calling this guy a genius? What
is that? You know? Why?

Speaker 2 (01:21:44):
Right?

Speaker 19 (01:21:45):
Like?

Speaker 1 (01:21:45):
What does he do? I played football, and I know,
you know, and that was you know, kind of my
personal take on it.

Speaker 4 (01:21:50):
But I listened a lot of what Julian Edelman says
now about how much he like felt sick coming to
this building every day, and you know, I just I
wondered the same question. And for some of the players,
you know, it was really hard on them too, having to,
you know, always be on top of everything.

Speaker 1 (01:22:06):
I think everybo and.

Speaker 3 (01:22:08):
Everybody was damn lucky we had Tom Brady for sure,
because if the quarterback wasn't playing along now, it would
have been a disaster.

Speaker 4 (01:22:15):
But you know what, you know what stood out to
me and I shoot, I forget who wrote it. It
might have been the Herald Guys, it might have been Kied,
But there was an article written about Rabel demanding guys
get home to their families, and you know that being
a key part of and not just to me, resonated greatly,
as you know, back in the day when I had
an old job and you know, working with kids and
just how hard it could be and you know, trying

(01:22:37):
to manage everything, and you know, seeing him really pick
a stand on that and demanding that guys, you know,
get out of here by five five thirty is you
know that to me is polar opposite of what we can.

Speaker 3 (01:22:47):
Well, that's kind of the new NFL. I think a
lot of coaches are leaning that way. I mean, I
remember Dick Vermeil toward the end regretted. I think he said,
you know, all those nights I spent in the office,
sleeping in the office and not going home to see
my family.

Speaker 2 (01:23:05):
And I think towards the end he.

Speaker 3 (01:23:07):
Was like that with his his uh and I think
I forget who was the other coach, Like if you're
still here at midnight, we're doing it wrong. Like there's
something wrong, We're not doing it right, if you're still
here at midnight. That's kind of a new thing I
think in the NFL is like we have all this technology,
everything's digitized, you know, like there's no reason to be

(01:23:28):
spending all this time. It's all right there on computers
for us on iPads, that that's supposed to make our
work more efficient.

Speaker 4 (01:23:35):
Yeah, I mean it's it's going to go so far
just for you know, the families and the wives at home.
We're having to manage everything without these guys for a
large portion of the year. And you know, now they're
more supportive of what the what you're working because.

Speaker 3 (01:23:47):
The organization got that for a long time, you know,
like you know for years, like like during the draft,
knowing that everybody's going to be here all the time,
they would like say and they would have dinners where
the families would come.

Speaker 2 (01:24:03):
They would send flowers to the homes, like they would like.

Speaker 3 (01:24:07):
Take into consideration that these guys have families. Let's make
sure these families are taken care of during these times
when they're never home.

Speaker 4 (01:24:15):
Yeah, it's like it goes back to when I were
a marside growing up and down the cape and they
get in. You need some food, you're good, you hunger,
you know, they take care of you. You know after
you want to hang out afterwards, have a drink, talk
about the world's problems, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:24:27):
The maide.

Speaker 1 (01:24:28):
Yeah, they took a carry and but you.

Speaker 2 (01:24:30):
Know, don't know that he's relating a restaurant job to
the NFL.

Speaker 4 (01:24:34):
But as an when you feel I think as an
employee that you're taking care of and that you know
and you're now I'm going to take care of the restaurant.

Speaker 1 (01:24:41):
I wouldn't know.

Speaker 8 (01:24:43):
You never worked in the services.

Speaker 1 (01:24:46):
Any industry that they did that.

Speaker 5 (01:24:49):
They made you feel like the herald.

Speaker 1 (01:24:51):
You want to fish and when your the herald did die. Yeah,
that was what they told me. You're done, you do this,
you do this, you do this is when you've done,
you go home.

Speaker 2 (01:25:01):
No, I was.

Speaker 1 (01:25:02):
I was of my favorite song that was like I
had my first breakup.

Speaker 4 (01:25:04):
I've talked about this before, you know it with all
these waitresses like they just shift would end, they'd be like.

Speaker 1 (01:25:09):
Have a Heineken, let's talk about it.

Speaker 4 (01:25:10):
You know, they talk me through my breakup that I
was going like Teddy Bridgewater, Yeah yeah, right.

Speaker 1 (01:25:14):
Now a mechanic, you know that's exactly. But they loved it.

Speaker 4 (01:25:17):
You know, all these like you know, middle aged waitresses
down you know Cape like his college can.

Speaker 2 (01:25:21):
Just broke up.

Speaker 1 (01:25:22):
His company's all broke up about I thought, you.

Speaker 3 (01:25:23):
Know, yeah, I think there's I think there's more Ted
Lasso's out there now than Bill Belichick's.

Speaker 1 (01:25:30):
Yeah. Yeah, I mean I and we know some of it.

Speaker 4 (01:25:32):
But I just I wonder how much that's still how
he is exactly. I mean, I'm sure he's softened a
little bit for the college game, but it doesn't sound
like he's softening too much.

Speaker 2 (01:25:40):
Yeah, let's see talking about flag football.

Speaker 1 (01:25:43):
Mike Hello.

Speaker 3 (01:25:44):
Michael writes in picture this, who wins in a seven
on seven flag football game? All in their prime? Team
one is Paul Drake, May, Gronk, Randy Moss, Danny Amandola,
Deon Lewis and Stefan Gilmour. Team too is Fred, Tom Brady, Hunter,
Henry Stefon Diggs, Chris Hogan, James White, and Christian Gonzales.

(01:26:08):
My team, you, Drake, I have Tom Brady Brady. But
flag football is more running around. So I don't know
if Brady translates, you're.

Speaker 1 (01:26:18):
In your prime, you being your prime prime. So I'm
playing free safety. I'm picking everything Brady, I'm picking him
off reading his eyes.

Speaker 3 (01:26:32):
Yeah, Gronk and Randy Moss, that's pretty tough in a
flag football game, that's pretty tough. Yeah, I feel a
out of place, but I would say that Deon Lewis,
He's quick.

Speaker 1 (01:26:43):
Give me a hockey game. I just say unequivocally, I
would not want any part of being on the field
with all of those players, all of those athletes.

Speaker 2 (01:26:52):
Well, maybe you're the coach.

Speaker 1 (01:26:53):
My Achilles just popped exactly all.

Speaker 3 (01:26:58):
Right, James Petty grew the most interesting Patriots fan in
the world. As a question for Evan, he wants to
get the All Media twenty two. I'd like to see
some of those old Mayo interactions with Evan.

Speaker 2 (01:27:11):
Did he have interactions with Mayo? Evan not really, No, No, I.

Speaker 1 (01:27:16):
Thought off the Flag game. Evan didn't play in the
Flag Game. Yeah, I think my team would win fifty
seven to four, and that this flag game, you get
those two. I know the reference just like a six
to seventh time what Joe Mizzoula did to the media
fifty seven to four. I tell you, if that was

(01:27:38):
the Bruins and they were like, hey, I would hop
right out there. I'd be ready to go.

Speaker 3 (01:27:43):
Audrey says congratulations to Paul for not only losing weight
but keeping it off. We know that you gave up
your pew lunches of subs, pizza and nuggets.

Speaker 1 (01:27:52):
Can you.

Speaker 3 (01:27:52):
Please share what else you gave up. What do you
eat now for breakfast and lunch? Do you embrace walking?
We know you don't love Veggie her exercise, so we
are all very impressed. Please share what work for you
because it may help many devoted listeners.

Speaker 1 (01:28:06):
So it's just basically the lunch. I'd never really been
a breakfast guy, so I didn't give up anything there.
But I don't eat lunch five days a week the
way I used to the three days in the radio. Yeah,
but I haven't really given up a whole lot. The
three days a week that we're on the radio that
I used to get a sub with fred every day.
I don't do that anymore. But I still I'll get

(01:28:28):
something three thousand on Monday, and I'll get something on Friday.
You know, we've invited Mike Doseau to join us Freddy
on Fridays with Finance. I'm part of Okay, so now
Mike joins us at Red Robin. So it's not like
I'm eating well bottomless fries. Yes, yes, and they deliver it.
But I usually if if my wife is working, she's

(01:28:50):
a nurse, so sometimes she works a little later. If
she's working, I'll get a lunch because I'm not necessarily
going to have a big dinner when I get home,
and when she's off fits the opposite. I know she's
going to cook something because she's a wonderful.

Speaker 6 (01:29:03):
Wife's way less calories and way less intermnute fast.

Speaker 1 (01:29:09):
Yeah without necessarily formerly intermittent fast, but that's probably what
it is. And I don't I'm not anti exercise. I'm
just not a big workout guy. Getting ready to hit
the weight room though, aren't you in the winter? Yeah?
I got some how much you bench? What do you
call on these days? Besides you?

Speaker 2 (01:29:28):
Hear Steve? Don't you have Andy take you to the gym?

Speaker 1 (01:29:33):
Yeah? That's too much? But you know I can put
on you have the big.

Speaker 2 (01:29:37):
Gallon water, the belt, the milk jug filled with.

Speaker 1 (01:29:40):
Water, the empty nest. Thing is starting to hit a
little bit, and I think I'm like gonna work out
a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:29:46):
Putting the chalk on his hands, get.

Speaker 8 (01:29:49):
The wraps cut off, and the.

Speaker 1 (01:29:53):
Will has a couple of you perfect loser loser.

Speaker 2 (01:29:59):
Oh boy, all right, it's that time of the week.

Speaker 1 (01:30:03):
Wow, Hi o sat not so much for the spread?

Speaker 2 (01:30:09):
All right, Paul, what happened last week?

Speaker 1 (01:30:12):
I'm not ready yet.

Speaker 2 (01:30:13):
Oh hold on, I caught you.

Speaker 1 (01:30:15):
Okay, So last week Mike led the way at twelve
and three Wow, followed by Paul ten and five, Alex
and Fred eight and seven, and Evan who's seven and eight.
Young Laser, Young Laser not doing too well with the spread, Mike,

(01:30:39):
Paul and Fred seven and eight off week, Alex five
and ten, and Evan four and eleven. You'll start to
see something trend developing him. Overall season standings, Fred and
Alex maintained their top spot at sixty thirty two and one,

(01:31:00):
followed by Mike at fifty seven thirty five and one.
This Mike's twelve and three week solidified a third place
but no longer a poop emoji for Paul. Oh fifty
three thirty nine and one, one game ahead of Evan
at fifty two forty and one. Okay, all right, I
just chef's kiss with the spread. Fred is the only

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one doing anything fifty one and forty two. The rest
of us are below five hundred. However, Paul in second
place at forty five and this has been a long
road back to mediocre forty five and forty eight, followed
by Alex forty three and fifty, Evan forty one and

(01:31:42):
fifty two, and poop emoji for Mike at thirty nine
and fifty four, two back, two back. So okay, it's
been tighty it's tightening. I've won nothing at this point.
I've won nothing yet, but just feeling better, feeling good.
Congratulations to me for no longer being in last place.

Speaker 4 (01:32:00):
Just because compared to the last year when we all
like well above well about five hundred against the spread,
and this year it's been a little bit of the ground.

Speaker 1 (01:32:06):
The only one that has the feel for the wait, and.

Speaker 3 (01:32:07):
I'm starting to fall a little man. That's the thing
about the spread. You play long enough, you'll end up
fifty fifth.

Speaker 1 (01:32:14):
I try to tell my son that they all love
the stuff, like with the DraftKings and everything else. And
you know, you can tell me how much you win
every week. I don't care. You're not going to win. Yeah,
you will lose eventually, we lose.

Speaker 2 (01:32:27):
Yep, yep, all right.

Speaker 3 (01:32:31):
Let's start with tonight in fifteen on Prime Video. It's
the four and one Steelers against the two and four Bengals.

Speaker 2 (01:32:38):
Bengals wearing their white uniforms with the black.

Speaker 1 (01:32:41):
Stripes white tiger yeah, snow Tiger or something like that. Yeah,
I think they should wear black uniforms with white stripes.

Speaker 2 (01:32:48):
Oh, that might be interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:32:51):
Pittsburgh by five and a half to forty plus year
old quarterbacks.

Speaker 4 (01:32:55):
Oh Flacco at home. I think I want to stick Pittsburgh.
He did a better team, and I am tempted with
us points on a Thursday night divisional game, but I'm
gonna lay them tonight.

Speaker 8 (01:33:09):
Pittsburgh Cincinnati cover.

Speaker 1 (01:33:13):
So I'm gonna wimp out and do what Alex did.
I think Cincinnati's got a shot tonight. I think the
second half of the game at Lambeau last week for
Cincinnati is the first time the Bengals looked anything resembling
the Joe Burrow Bengals, and I wonder if they found
something or if it was just one of those, you know,

(01:33:35):
a little periods where Flacco got a little hot. So
I'm not quite ready to say Cincinnati is gonna win
this game tonight, but I will take the points. I'll
take Pittsburgh in the points for Cincinnati.

Speaker 3 (01:33:45):
This is a hot air balloon games. Something's up, Something's up?

Speaker 1 (01:33:52):
What would be up? I'm just curious. That's a big
spread for Division No.

Speaker 3 (01:33:56):
Like Mike said, that's it should be bigger now. But
but remember from perception it should be bigger. But the
Sharps know better. There's no love loss between these two teams.
As Paul said, it's a division game, so you want
to take the Bendal Bengals to cover. So Paul and
Alex get it right. But the Steelers do win. But

(01:34:16):
Bengals Bengals play tough, uh and and they do cover.
But if you if you just look at this game
without you would say, oh, you know, eight seven points,
eight points.

Speaker 2 (01:34:28):
But it's not so keep that in mind.

Speaker 1 (01:34:30):
Road something Thursday night, division game and he thinks five
and a half is a small spring.

Speaker 2 (01:34:35):
Something's up, Something's.

Speaker 1 (01:34:37):
Up, all right, now, it's a real balloon game, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:34:40):
Now we now we move to Sunday nine thirty another
international game. Where is this one taking place?

Speaker 1 (01:34:46):
I assume London because Jacksonville is the team. Yeah, so
it's their secondary market.

Speaker 3 (01:34:50):
Yeah, I think so four and two Rams at the
four and two Jaguars.

Speaker 1 (01:34:55):
Rams by three.

Speaker 4 (01:34:56):
Ooh, yeah, that was a good game last week Jacksonville,
back and forth. But I think, you know, the Rams
on the road, I just I like them. I think
They're a good team. I'm gonna take the Rams.

Speaker 1 (01:35:09):
Saw some footage the Rams practiced at Camden Yards before
they went over. Yea, yeah, it's kind of weird.

Speaker 2 (01:35:16):
Why were they doing that?

Speaker 1 (01:35:17):
I don't know they played? Did they play Baltimore last week?
So they must have stayed in for a week and
then Yeah, rather than going all the way back to
La Rams both ways from Mike, yes please see Uh no, Pukakua,
I would assume.

Speaker 2 (01:35:36):
Doesn't look like it.

Speaker 1 (01:35:36):
I'm gonna take Jacksonville.

Speaker 2 (01:35:38):
Good pick, Paul, Oh, sorry, you're right with me. Jaguars
win the game.

Speaker 1 (01:35:44):
You know it's tough for me to pick against Liam Cohen.

Speaker 3 (01:35:47):
You're talking about Liam Cohen, Mike Vrabel and who's the
guy from Shane st Stane Stikeen is the front runners
for coach of the year.

Speaker 2 (01:35:59):
Uh, you take the Jaguars one.

Speaker 3 (01:36:01):
O'clock on Fox, the one in five Saints against the
three and two Bears, Chicago by four and a half.

Speaker 1 (01:36:12):
He's been right every single one.

Speaker 4 (01:36:13):
I'm just saying, uh, Chicago saying she's been right, and
I was just saying the sheet has.

Speaker 1 (01:36:19):
Been right for three so far.

Speaker 8 (01:36:22):
Good for you on spreads.

Speaker 4 (01:36:24):
You know, I don't want to check myself, but it's
going really well so far. I'm going to take Chicago
at home. Seems like they're finding their stride a little bit.
I will lay the points.

Speaker 2 (01:36:31):
It's a tough one.

Speaker 8 (01:36:33):
Town.

Speaker 1 (01:36:34):
I think this is more of your would you call
it balloon game? Balloon? When I was a kid, I
called those the Victoria's secret catalog games.

Speaker 8 (01:36:45):
You have the fashion shows yesterday.

Speaker 1 (01:36:46):
I'm going to take Chicago as wumpings up.

Speaker 2 (01:36:50):
What's that spread again?

Speaker 1 (01:36:51):
Four and a half?

Speaker 2 (01:36:51):
Four and a half?

Speaker 1 (01:36:52):
Chicago, Chicago by four and a half, and it's at
Chicago torture.

Speaker 3 (01:36:59):
Yeah, I'm gonna well, I'm going to say the Saints
cover this game.

Speaker 2 (01:37:02):
I'm gonna say they don't.

Speaker 3 (01:37:03):
They don't win, but I'm gonna hedge my bets and
I'm going to take those points.

Speaker 2 (01:37:10):
That a hook.

Speaker 1 (01:37:12):
It's four and a half. But yeah, okay, I like
your pick, All right about it?

Speaker 3 (01:37:18):
One o'clock on CBS, the one in five Dolphins are
at the one in five Browns.

Speaker 1 (01:37:24):
Boy Cleveland by two and a half. It's one of
Paul's games.

Speaker 2 (01:37:29):
We were talking about looking ahead.

Speaker 1 (01:37:32):
Yeah, I watched Uh could use of that? I watched
that Cleveland game last week. Their defense really impressed me.

Speaker 4 (01:37:37):
They are they are legit, not a lot of space
before we get after it. I'm going to take Cleveland
at home, and I will lay the points against.

Speaker 1 (01:37:44):
Tua, who I don't know. What he said exactly was
all kind of controversy like. So he said that, you know,
we have to be more focused and more together. We
have people, you know, you know, some players not coming
to players only meetings, some players showing up late. What
he said on it's on the surface was not bad,
but kind of calling the whole team out for He's

(01:38:05):
letting everybody know that these things are happening. Those things
weren't known right right, So yeah, I guess he had
to apologize inmates and stuff. That's not good. Yeah, not winning.

Speaker 6 (01:38:17):
I don't think they like him. I don't think his
teammates respect him. I'm gonna take Cleveland, squeeze.

Speaker 1 (01:38:28):
I am going to take Cleveland as well. But this game,
I could easily see Miami like putting a couple of
scoring drives together and Cleveland can't keep up. Yeah right, yeah,
but I'm going to take the Browns to make life
miserable on Tuur.

Speaker 3 (01:38:42):
Browns win this game, folks, one o'clock, CBS two and
four Raiders at the three and three Chiefs. All the
wise guys think the Chiefs. This is there on the
way back.

Speaker 1 (01:38:55):
Now, Yeah, Kansas City by eleven and a half.

Speaker 2 (01:38:58):
Eleven and see.

Speaker 4 (01:38:59):
What I mean, eleven and a half a lot shoot,
I mean, I'm definitely gonna ta Kansas City.

Speaker 1 (01:39:05):
That's just a lot of points.

Speaker 4 (01:39:06):
Again, I'm blinded by Gino Smith's dominance of the Patriots
in recent years. I think he's way better than he
really is for some reason.

Speaker 2 (01:39:13):
But I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:39:13):
I'm gonna take the points for Vegas. I just think
Division game they kind of hang around, make an interest.

Speaker 8 (01:39:19):
I'm gonna do the same thing. I don't quite know why,
but yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:39:23):
You know, yeah, I'm gonna take Kansas City to win,
and I will take the points with Vegas. Division games,
they're always seemed to be closer. I think Vegas beat
Kansas City in Kansas City, if not last year, maybe
the year before that. Jack Jones had a big pick six.
I'll take I'll take the.

Speaker 3 (01:39:39):
Points, folks. There's a reason why the Sharps are making
it eleven and a half. They know something, they know something.
It should be closer because it is a division game
and these teams usually play each other tough.

Speaker 2 (01:39:51):
The fact that they made it's such a big spread,
you gotta go with the chiefs both ways. So there
you go, and that's what I'm gonna do.

Speaker 3 (01:40:00):
I wrote it down as such, Okay, one o'clock Fox,
four and two Eagles at the three and two Vikings.

Speaker 1 (01:40:08):
Philly by one and a half.

Speaker 4 (01:40:11):
Yeah, I saw Kevin O'Connor getting little annoyed with some
of the questions there. I'm not sure if McCarthy's gonna
go again, doesn't seem like it. So I'm gonna take
Philly in a tight one. I'll lay those points. But
that's I think that'd be a pretty.

Speaker 1 (01:40:24):
Good taking the Carson Wentz revenge game.

Speaker 8 (01:40:29):
Philly.

Speaker 1 (01:40:31):
Yes, if McCarthy was was back and ready to play,
I would. I would take Minnesota at home, but I
don't have any faith in Wentz. I'll take Philly.

Speaker 2 (01:40:40):
Yeah, Philly screwed me last week. I thought he's not
playing well.

Speaker 3 (01:40:43):
I thought they'd come out as an angry team because
of the loss of the week before, and they lost again.
But I'm gonna stick with him for this week. But
I'm losing Faith in Philly.

Speaker 1 (01:40:56):
P h A, I T I p A. I like that.
That could be a T shirt.

Speaker 2 (01:40:59):
Yeah, like that faith in Philly Faith.

Speaker 3 (01:41:01):
One o'clock on Fox, the three and three Panthers at
the oh and six.

Speaker 1 (01:41:06):
Jets Panthers by one and a half.

Speaker 2 (01:41:09):
Do you believe the Panthers are three and three guys?

Speaker 15 (01:41:11):
You know?

Speaker 4 (01:41:11):
After the Patriots hair and only they found ric O'Donnell apparently.

Speaker 2 (01:41:15):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:41:15):
It tells me a lot of bad teams in the league.

Speaker 2 (01:41:18):
Yeah, the bad they played them.

Speaker 1 (01:41:20):
Yeah, but I feel like there's just been Fred mentioned this,
I think on Tuesday about the parody. But there's a
lot of bad teams. Yeah, as opposed to really good ones.

Speaker 2 (01:41:30):
There's no great teams.

Speaker 1 (01:41:31):
There's no great teams, really bad ones. There's a lot
of one win and there's only one no win team.
But there's a lot of one win teams.

Speaker 2 (01:41:37):
Yeah, we're playing one.

Speaker 4 (01:41:38):
Well, there are a lot of bad teams. I think
the Jets are one of the baddest. I'm going to
take the Panthers on the road, get it done.

Speaker 8 (01:41:47):
I don't know why, but I feel like the Jets
at least have to win at some point.

Speaker 2 (01:41:51):
That's I know, I.

Speaker 8 (01:41:53):
Know Carolina has been.

Speaker 1 (01:41:58):
I'm going to take the Jets and success a.

Speaker 2 (01:42:00):
You're gonna take the Jets. Okay, that's a good pick.

Speaker 1 (01:42:03):
I really thought about taking the Jets because I've taken
them periodically because of that theory, like some point they're
going to win a game, but I just keep losing
every week. No, I'm gonna take Carolina and you'll.

Speaker 2 (01:42:14):
Lose this one.

Speaker 3 (01:42:15):
No, but I'm gonna I'm gonna take the Panthers too.
I'm going to fall into that trap. I thought the
same thing Alex said. The Jets aren't going.

Speaker 1 (01:42:22):
To go They're not going to go winless.

Speaker 2 (01:42:24):
Yeah, but I Panthers playing some decent ball, all right.

Speaker 3 (01:42:31):
Now, we skip over the Patriots at one o'clock and
we go to four or five on CBS, the two
and four Giants at the four and two Broncos who.

Speaker 1 (01:42:40):
Are shocked there playing at home, Broncos by seven. Seven.

Speaker 4 (01:42:47):
Yeah, that that that defense is legiet. I'm gonna take
Denver at home, and I just I think they got enough.

Speaker 1 (01:42:54):
I'm gonna lay the points.

Speaker 8 (01:42:56):
Tempted me too, It is tempting, but.

Speaker 5 (01:43:01):
Yeah, I don't really like Jackson Dart.

Speaker 1 (01:43:03):
So you don't like what isn't about them? You don't
like a lot of bandt. I'm going to take the
Broncos too, and I'll lay the points. I think the
Giants have a little something going, but I think at
Denver with that defense and a young quarterback, feels like
a reality check game. It feels like Denver will win
by two scores.

Speaker 3 (01:43:21):
Ye two, folks, this is your cover loss lock of
the week.

Speaker 1 (01:43:29):
I don't know what that means.

Speaker 2 (01:43:31):
The Giants lose, but they cover, never win.

Speaker 1 (01:43:34):
The Giants cover.

Speaker 2 (01:43:35):
This is your this is your lot loss. Yeah, your
lost cover lost lock.

Speaker 1 (01:43:39):
Yeah. I would put that in the newsletter, Alex, so
I don't have to put out spread.

Speaker 8 (01:43:43):
Definition of a cover lost lock.

Speaker 3 (01:43:45):
It's when the team that loses but they cover the spread.
The Giants don't lose by more than seven.

Speaker 1 (01:43:51):
The beauty of fred is the advanced terms, and that's
one of them. Lost lock of the week, all right,
you don't know you or no?

Speaker 3 (01:44:00):
From Polo five on CBS, the five and one high
Flying Colts at the four and two Chargers.

Speaker 1 (01:44:07):
Chargers by one and a half.

Speaker 2 (01:44:08):
O Wow, no respect to the Colts. Colts. Oh, they're
so mad about that.

Speaker 4 (01:44:14):
They are this is a tough one for me. I
think this is a really balanced game. Danny Jones, MVP conversation, Paul.

Speaker 1 (01:44:23):
No Jonathan Taylor. Maybe, Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna go.

Speaker 4 (01:44:27):
Actually, I'm gonna go with the Chargers at home, and
I will lay the point in a half.

Speaker 6 (01:44:33):
So Justin's girlfriend walked in the Victoria's Secret Fashion show
last I think it's going to be a big week
for them, Madison as a unit, Madison Beer Chargers.

Speaker 4 (01:44:43):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:44:45):
Might go the other way with that, like, did you
just know that it was girlfriend? Really smoke show? I'm
a little I'm a little impressed, Fred Wow.

Speaker 3 (01:44:57):
I just.

Speaker 1 (01:45:00):
The Chargers are a good team that I just think
is wrecked right now. I'm going to take Indy on
the road. If these teams are at anywhere near full strength,
I'd be taking the Chargers going away, but I just
don't think that's the case with Chargers.

Speaker 2 (01:45:15):
I am going to go with the Chargers. But this
is just a want them to win pick.

Speaker 1 (01:45:21):
Yeah, I want to pull you into I like the
I kind of like the way the Chargers are set up,
but just with all that little running back is so cute.

Speaker 2 (01:45:29):
Yeah, I'm so cute.

Speaker 3 (01:45:31):
This isn't want um to win pick because you get
the I don't. I want the Patriots to be five
and two after this week. I don't want the Colts
to have a better record than the Patriots. So yeah,
Fox for twenty five, the three one and one Packers
are at the two and.

Speaker 1 (01:45:47):
Four Cardinals, packed by six and a half.

Speaker 2 (01:45:51):
Don't don't, don't don't do, don't don go pack go
It's interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:45:55):
That's an interesting line to me.

Speaker 2 (01:45:57):
Why Arnold?

Speaker 1 (01:46:00):
Oh sorry, Arizona nevermind? Yeah, sorry, no, no favorite, No,
I was seeing Atlanta for some time.

Speaker 2 (01:46:07):
The quarterback, I apologize it.

Speaker 1 (01:46:10):
Was he did not play last week. I believe he
is expected to play this week. Okay, but Brissette actually
put up some decent numbers last week. I know we
threw a bad pick.

Speaker 4 (01:46:20):
Yeah, I'll take green Bay to win. I'm gonna take
the points, though I think green Bay.

Speaker 1 (01:46:23):
Can kind of. Mike's gonna take stumble a little bit,
but still win. Cover, lost lock, cover, lost lock of
the week for Mike.

Speaker 8 (01:46:32):
Green Bay, green Bay.

Speaker 1 (01:46:37):
Yeah, I'm gonna do green Bay green Bay also. But
that's mostly because Arizona has been one of those teams
that whatever way I pick doesn't happen.

Speaker 2 (01:46:47):
I'll do Green Bay them right last week though, I'll
do the pack uh.

Speaker 3 (01:46:51):
Fo on Fox the three and three Commanders at the
two three and one Cowboys.

Speaker 1 (01:46:57):
This one, I would bury bury the old of this one.
I would say, uh, Washington by two and a half.
Both offenses have been pretty good and the defenses have not.

Speaker 4 (01:47:09):
Yeah, and I know they're banged up to you. I'm
gonna go with Washington by a hair. I'll lay the points, Stu.

Speaker 2 (01:47:18):
That was That was just was Alex.

Speaker 1 (01:47:21):
That was my stomach reactor. Alex eats too clean to
have her stomach make pasta.

Speaker 6 (01:47:26):
Today though, but it was important Italy so it was clean.
It's like not American pasta realm Uh.

Speaker 8 (01:47:37):
I'm going to take Dallas.

Speaker 6 (01:47:38):
I don't really know why, Like I keep waiting for
them to when this will probably be my last week
taking them.

Speaker 1 (01:47:44):
If they screw You're unnoticed Cowboys, Ye, Francisco, Young Alex
has you like, I'm going to take Washington, but I
I expect Alice to score some points in this game.
I think it'll be high scoring, but Washington will have enough.

Speaker 3 (01:47:58):
You think I'm going to take the command as well,
So there eight twenty on NBC in Universo. And for
sure the three and two Falcons are at the four
and two forty nine Ersniners.

Speaker 1 (01:48:15):
By two and a half party plan.

Speaker 4 (01:48:17):
It sounds like mac Jones is a little bit healthier
than him right now, which I guess mac Jones is
banged up to. That was the last update that I saw.
Atlanta's been a little bit hard to pin down this year.
I'm going to take Atlanta with the road upset of
the Niners. Also, you know they lost their their linebacker
there in San Francisco as well.

Speaker 1 (01:48:37):
Fred Warner, Fred Warner, Yeah, two and a half San Francisco.

Speaker 8 (01:48:46):
Okay, Mac Jones in prime time.

Speaker 2 (01:48:49):
You're taking the forty nine ers. Yeah, okay, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:48:52):
You believe.

Speaker 8 (01:48:53):
I don't know why he still believes.

Speaker 1 (01:48:55):
Yeah, I'm going to take San Francisco too, mostly because
Atlanta's I think DNA is losing this game. Big Monday
night win, yeah last week. Now you're going national TV again. Sure,
I think Atlanta is better than San Francisco, but they
don't show it. Yeah, So I'm going to take the Niners.

Speaker 3 (01:49:14):
I'm going to take the Falcons to beat the forty
nine ers.

Speaker 2 (01:49:17):
I think they might have a little bit of hope.
You're mojo going, Jean? All right, now these Monday night
double header? Is this the thing?

Speaker 8 (01:49:25):
Now?

Speaker 1 (01:49:25):
Everyone love it?

Speaker 2 (01:49:26):
Is it going to be a double header?

Speaker 1 (01:49:27):
If I don't love this one?

Speaker 3 (01:49:28):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:49:28):
This is I like Fred's doubleheader of like seven fifteen,
eight to fifteen. This is seven and ten.

Speaker 2 (01:49:34):
I don't think Yeah, seven o'clock, ten, no ten o'clock.

Speaker 1 (01:49:38):
Yeah, but who cares about it. I won't watch one
play of that game.

Speaker 3 (01:49:40):
No, right, the seven o'clock affair is ESPN, ABC, ESPN Deportes.
It's the five and one Buccaneers and the four and
two Lions.

Speaker 1 (01:49:51):
Could be a good game, Detroit by five and a half.
The decimated defense against the decimated offense.

Speaker 4 (01:49:57):
Yeah, yeah, I'm going to go with I'm gonna go
with the I'm gonna go du twy at home. But
I got to give Baker some some love. I'm gonna
take the points for Tampa. I think it's a closer one.

Speaker 1 (01:50:07):
Same, Yeah, I'm going to take Tampa to win outright, Wow, because.

Speaker 2 (01:50:15):
All of a sudden he likes Baker.

Speaker 1 (01:50:17):
No, it's more about what Detroit is missing, and I
think that's what Baker Mayfield has been doing is finding
his targets, and I know they're all hurt, but some
of them will be I think Abouka will be out
this game, but Evans might be back. Did you see
the story about the tes Johnson kid. That was hilarious. Yeah,
that was absolutely hilarious. Did you know this friend? So

(01:50:38):
he's a you know, small like the seventh round pick.
He's a absolute speed demon out of Oregon. Tiny. He
catches a bomb for a touchdown last week and the
crowd's chanting m VP for Baker Mayfield. He thought it
was He thought it was fair, and he looks at
he goes, I ain't done nothing all year. Why are
they chanting throwing shepherd?

Speaker 2 (01:50:58):
Or No?

Speaker 1 (01:50:59):
What's what's that it was? I think it was a shepherd.
He thought it was so funny. He just went around
everybody telling the story.

Speaker 2 (01:51:05):
He did a nice backflip in the end zone.

Speaker 6 (01:51:07):
But Tampa Bay content team had the camera on them too,
on the bench, so they got them interactions.

Speaker 1 (01:51:13):
Great, I'll take the bucks to pull off the upset.

Speaker 2 (01:51:16):
Yeah, my instinct, my gut, says lions.

Speaker 3 (01:51:19):
I'll stick with my gut because it's substantial, So I
will go with the lines. Although the Lions have come
up short a lot this year. They're not as good
as people thought they were going to be.

Speaker 1 (01:51:32):
Okay, they lost that Green Bay in that Kansas City. Yep,
ten o'clock, they've blown doors off everybody else.

Speaker 3 (01:51:38):
You want to be the best, you got to beat
the best, Paul, Yeah, right.

Speaker 2 (01:51:42):
You can't be losing at all. Can't be losing to
the teams you're going to have to.

Speaker 3 (01:51:46):
Beat ten o'clock, ESPN, ESPN Fortes. The two and three
Texans are at the four and two Seahawks Seahawks by three.

Speaker 1 (01:52:00):
This seems like a light spread for me.

Speaker 2 (01:52:04):
Seattle got it going on.

Speaker 1 (01:52:05):
Yeah they do.

Speaker 4 (01:52:06):
I'm gonna take Seattle. I'm gonna play the points. I
don't have to think that much about it.

Speaker 8 (01:52:09):
Yep, Seahawks, Seahawks.

Speaker 1 (01:52:14):
I will take Houston.

Speaker 7 (01:52:15):
WHOA.

Speaker 1 (01:52:17):
I'm a big believer in their defense, and I think
that they make life tough on Sam Darnold. But talk
about another sort of under the radar MVP candidate Jackson
Smith and Jig But it's been unbelievable all year, So
that worries my upset. Pick I worry about JSN. But
off for a week. I really like that defense, and

(01:52:40):
that's why I'm mired, and.

Speaker 2 (01:52:43):
I'm gonna go.

Speaker 3 (01:52:43):
I'm gonna go with the Seahawks, but I'm gonna get
getting a little annoyed.

Speaker 2 (01:52:49):
I don't know, I don't know. All right, Back to
one o'clock. Can I get a paper rattle? Yeah? Thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:52:57):
Back to one o'clock on the CBS, the four and
two Patriots at the one in five Titans.

Speaker 1 (01:53:03):
Patriots by seven.

Speaker 4 (01:53:05):
Seven, seven, Yeah, I got I got the Patriots in
this one. I think get to a big lead, don't
look back. Maybe shut it down in the second half.
Run the ball a little bit.

Speaker 1 (01:53:17):
Take the Patriots twenty seven to.

Speaker 6 (01:53:19):
Six, twenty seven thirteen, that's ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (01:53:28):
Twenty seven to nine. No, you are turning to pick
twenty seven twenty seven? You said twenty seven to nine? Yeah, okay,
three point three field goals? Three field goals, Joey slide,
so pretty sly for a slide.

Speaker 3 (01:53:40):
The way we've been talking, in the way everybody's been talking.
Don't you think this spread should be even more?

Speaker 1 (01:53:46):
I don't wow. I think a touchdown favor on the
road is significant.

Speaker 3 (01:53:50):
Because it's really ten yeah, exactly at four points your theory, yes, team,
but somehow that didn't hold true for the Pittsburgh Cincinnati game.

Speaker 1 (01:53:57):
So I don't know why I think anymore.

Speaker 3 (01:53:58):
Yeah, so I'm thinking I was thinking, okay, it's seven
because you know, they're trying to get more New England
money on this. But like I would think, everybody in
New England is ready to running to the window, you know,
the window being the betting win.

Speaker 2 (01:54:18):
The line moved the running neither has it moved to
the line.

Speaker 8 (01:54:23):
Move like I feel like when we did the show Monday, it.

Speaker 1 (01:54:25):
Was seven when we did the show.

Speaker 3 (01:54:28):
So that means to me that money's pretty even, Is
that right? I don't know, not sure. I'm I'm gonna
go with the Patriots both ways, but there's something up here,
something up but I will go with the Patriots to
beat the spread here the spread being seven.

Speaker 2 (01:54:47):
All right, all right, well we'll see what happens. We'll
get Evans picks post mortem.

Speaker 1 (01:54:53):
Yeah, make sure he puts them in before the Thursday
night came as well?

Speaker 2 (01:54:57):
Has he is he trying to know?

Speaker 1 (01:54:59):
He's sends them to me, don't do not call in
to question the integrity of the picks, and he discrepancies
in the picks and the tabulations of the record are
purely the result of me being a moron and miscounted you.

Speaker 6 (01:55:18):
From Guatemala and you just didn't see it, but acknowledge
the picture correct.

Speaker 1 (01:55:24):
It's user error, not anything in soiety.

Speaker 4 (01:55:28):
All right, Well, I just think he doesn't hear me.
And now let's give our detailed insight.

Speaker 1 (01:55:32):
It was one week disclosure. There was one week that
Evan picked something and he said that's what I would
have picked. It was after the fact, and I let
him get away with it because it was the San
Francisco game.

Speaker 2 (01:55:43):
I believe because somebody was hurt.

Speaker 1 (01:55:46):
No, he hadn't given me any picks. And the next
day he said, I would you know I would have
taken my boy shan An. I was like, you probably
would have, So I gave him credit for a win. Okay,
So that's it for this show.

Speaker 3 (01:55:58):
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Club at the Live Oak Music Row at fifteen twenty

(01:56:20):
two De montbron Street in Nashville. So hope to see
you there. Otherwise, we'll see you next Tuesday.

Speaker 8 (01:56:32):
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