Patriots Unfiltered 10/21: Breaking Down the Patriots 31-13 Win Over the Titans

Tune-in as we break down the Patriots road 31-13 win over the Tennessee Titans in Week 7. We discuss Drake Maye continued growth as the quarterback and leader of the Patriots. We talk about the defense's second half performance and wager why it takes them so long to warm up. We share takes on free agency possibilities, the running back room, the Patriots remaining schedule and more! Plus, we react and discuss to Bill Belichick advancing in the process as a Pro Football Hall of Fame Class of 2026 prospect.

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We'll try to use the face scanner that you know
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Do I put my face? I'm like, just stand in
front of me, Like it's not that hard, but it works.
Themes how many times the show he makes fun of
me I might have been a certain someone.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
When you know what, they would blame nine to eleven
for all of it. This is when it started.

Speaker 4 (00:54):
Nine to eleven happened, and then thirty years later we
decided to have facial run.

Speaker 2 (00:58):
But we'll see what happens. We'll get Evan's picks post mortem.

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Make sure he puts them in before the Thursday night
came as well.

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Try. I mean, he sends them to me. Don't do
not call in to question the integrity of the picks.

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Speaker 2 (01:26):
All right, welcome the Patriots Unfiltered. It is Tuesday here
at Julius Stadium, and they're becoming victory Tuesdays more and more.

Speaker 5 (01:35):
Four to row, Baby, get tues yet, it's nottty close.
I sick of the twelve I want to get back
to thirteen win seasons. All right, we don't know more
of this twelve win stuff. Let's get to thirteen on.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
Top of the AFC East, second best record in the AFC. Patriots,
let's go, baby.

Speaker 4 (01:54):
You get a fresh cut there, Freddy?

Speaker 2 (01:55):
I did. Yeah, yeah, jail barber down here in.

Speaker 4 (01:57):
Five Morning Street, you get fresh cuts? Look ye coming up?

Speaker 1 (02:02):
We didn't.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
I didn't notice it's going there. I heard Rabel's been
in there.

Speaker 4 (02:06):
I might have heard that as well.

Speaker 3 (02:08):
Yeah, yep, might have heard that from a little birdie
to g.

Speaker 2 (02:13):
L barber down in Foxborough.

Speaker 5 (02:15):
They did, they know, they know who Evan is. They
give Evan. They they kne who you were, They knew
the boss man.

Speaker 2 (02:22):
He said, how's how's my friend Evan?

Speaker 4 (02:25):
He's probably like it's been like three or four weeks.
Where is he?

Speaker 2 (02:28):
You know, he's doing good? I said, he's working hard,
working hard time.

Speaker 1 (02:33):
Three road games in a row, hard to get over there.

Speaker 2 (02:36):
So but enough of the barber shop talk. Let's go
to the Patriots. We need to talk about this game
and what we learned, what we should be excited about. Yes,
what are the things that could hurt them down the road.
You know, we talk about it all here, We talk
about it all. But the first things. First, freaking May, Yeah,

(03:02):
Drake freaking May. What did you have ninety completion rate?
This is insane?

Speaker 4 (03:10):
And I have a little aside.

Speaker 2 (03:11):
Has the league ever seen this before?

Speaker 4 (03:13):
I have a question for Evan. Yes, Paul, I saw
on one of your sites that that was tweeted out yesterday.
So it was what was it ninety one nine something? Okay,
so you had two incomplete passes? Right, one of your
sites has expected completion percentage or something. C Poe. It

(03:35):
was actually higher than that. And I would like you,
in my mind's eye, see when you only have two
incomplete passes. You can remember them. Yeah, one of them
he threw over the over Kyle Williams on the sideline
like just wasn't I didn't didn't really look right. I
don't know if it was a I didn't think it
was a great route by Kyle Williams, but the ball

(03:55):
was high, no chance. And the other one I think
was a throwaway.

Speaker 3 (04:00):
The other one he got hit off the edge, so
it actually was under pressure. A quarterback hit blits off
the edge to Hunter Henry over the middle of the
field that was there if there was no pressure.

Speaker 4 (04:11):
So okay, So that answers my question. That's how you
get a higher expected completion percentage with to me like
no chance to complete the two incomplete passes. Evidently they
thought he should have. I don't know. I don't. I
don't get that whole expected thing.

Speaker 2 (04:24):
I'm not a big well even the throat to Kyle
Williams four minutes into the show.

Speaker 6 (04:28):
And.

Speaker 4 (04:30):
I just how I wanted to know how it worked. Like,
I mean again, when you complete over ninety percent of
your passes and there's only two incomplete passes, right, I
don't think he had any chance to complete the first one.
The Kyle Williams. But evidently they did.

Speaker 3 (04:48):
No, No, not the first one, but the second one
was there just the pressure came off the edge and
he was hit as he was throwing the football, so
it went into the dirt instead to the receiver. So
maybe that's what it. I'm not exactly sure what the
number is, like.

Speaker 4 (05:03):
Ninety five five or something like that was his. I
just I'm curious too how sometimes how those numbers are tabulated.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
But this is astounding, the numbers that he's putting up.
And he's not throwing it thirty forty times a game,
I get it. And he's not racking up over three
hundred yards.

Speaker 4 (05:19):
But he also ain't checked down, Charlie.

Speaker 2 (05:21):
No, but he's not checked down. He's he's run, Charlie.
He'll say, that's why.

Speaker 4 (05:25):
That's why the completion percentage is as high as it is.
That's right, because he's not throwing the ball away.

Speaker 2 (05:30):
That's right.

Speaker 1 (05:31):
That's that's what I noticed to me.

Speaker 2 (05:32):
He's putting his life at risk.

Speaker 5 (05:34):
When everybody's covered. Those become instead of sacks or they
become four yards.

Speaker 4 (05:38):
Well, they're either they're either sacks or runs. Yeah, he
got sacked four times and he ran like eight times.

Speaker 5 (05:43):
Yeah, and one of the sacks I think was at
the line screw. But you know, like that's just where
you start to see the benefit of having a mobile
quarterback is there's nobody open right now. Like on you know,
Calid full of plays, there's nobody open top run four
or five yards maybe more, maybe a little less negative
out of the negative.

Speaker 3 (05:59):
I'm kind of in the little bit on your side
of the street on this one, because not too The
point that I'm trying to make here is is that
I think this team has a real chance to go
to the playoffs, and so if we're really talking about
how do they continue to improve, especially against the level
of competition that they're playing against, He's going to complete

(06:22):
a bunch of passes against the Titans, like he just is,
like he's they're that good at this point. He's that
good at this point. Some of the scrambles in this game,
and he said it after the game as well, I
didn't love all of the scrambled decisions in this game.
And I think it gets exacerbated a little bit by
the fact that he goes into briefly gets evaluated for

(06:44):
a concussion, and you sit there and you say, well,
do you really need that against the Tennessee Titans. Maybe
in week fifteen against the Bills with the division on
the line, you see green grass and you take off
and you try to get a first down with your
life or whatever. But I think that that's something that
Josh Allen I get it. I I hear what people

(07:07):
are saying. They want to preserve this guy. You know,
you have to be cautious and when you do run,
you have to be you have to protect yourself.

Speaker 2 (07:15):
He was a little bit you know.

Speaker 1 (07:18):
Yeah, we talked about it on the Post Came Show.

Speaker 5 (07:20):
It's just a fine line between but you know, getting
down a little earlier too maybe and you know those
couple of yards, but avoiding that late contact.

Speaker 2 (07:28):
But I don't want him to stop running.

Speaker 4 (07:29):
No, I want him to run when he needs when
he needs to. Well, not every time that the play
breaks down. Sometimes you're better off just throwing it away
first down. As an example, just throw it away third
third and eight. It breaks down and you got to
go get the first down. I don't think anybody has
any problem with that. Or just play quarterback like I.

Speaker 3 (07:48):
And look, we're saying this as a way of like
this is what's going to prevent them from winning a
playoff game.

Speaker 4 (07:54):
Not in a way of like we have a new
show disclaimer, right whatever, just said, we're now evaluating this
team in a whole different light than what we've done
the last two years. It's now about this is a
playoff team. What are the things they need to do
better to be a quality playoff team? You know, like
what could yeah, what could possibly derail you on the way.

(08:15):
It's a whole new disclaimer, right.

Speaker 3 (08:17):
So they you know, he had a couple like the
red zone one he rushed for four yards.

Speaker 4 (08:21):
He ran out of bounds on that one.

Speaker 3 (08:23):
But he's got Hunter Henry just like sitting right down
on the goal line and he's open, and he's right
there for it, and he just runs and you know,
I get it, Like I'm I'm sitting there watching this
on a computer screen, like I'm not out there in
a live pocket in the NFL feeling the pressure and
feeling the rush and all those different types of things.
But you would just like to see him just sit

(08:44):
in the pocket and just make the throw. Or you
know there's another one where he ran for uh, you know,
got try to get out of the pocket and ends
up getting tackled for like a short game where if
he just comes off the front side of the progression
and gets to the backside of the progression, he has
Ormandra Stevenson on the little hitch just wide open on
the back side of the progression. But he goes one
read and then I'm off, you know, I'm out of

(09:05):
the pocket. And those are just again nitpicks, But like, yeah,
I'm sure that I just want to keep the guy
very much nit. This guy's playing at an MVP level.

Speaker 2 (09:13):
Right, I'm sure they're gonna go over the film. They're
going to show him you could have had this, you
could have had I talked about it a little bit,
and I hope he learns that. But until then, I
still want him to trust his instincts.

Speaker 4 (09:23):
So I don't want him to stop running. I'm with
you on that, you know, Like.

Speaker 2 (09:29):
It's almost like I'd rather have them lose because he
was Drake May was being Drake May and he got
hurt than lose because he's losing his instincts and still
out there.

Speaker 3 (09:39):
So I don't know when you say he got hurt,
like that's the worst case scenario because he can sit
in the pocket and dice teams up, so like I
don't like him getting hurt. Is exactly why I feel
this way. Sure everybody, when he ran off the field
on Sunday and he went in the medical ten, I
was like here, oh great, Like here we go, you know,
and like the that's the one thing that is going

(10:02):
to derail him one year.

Speaker 2 (10:03):
He's got to learn. He's got to build up his
neck muscles. So when I wrestled, we did these things
called neck bridges, and I swear to God, I've fallen
hard over time, even recently. Like I remember I was
going down my wooden ramp on the tool shed and
my legs came out. I hit my back so hard

(10:23):
my wife heard it from inside the house. I didn't
hit my head, though, because I have this instinct I
immediately bow my neck when I go down and my
head doesn't flop around. You can teach that, you can
you build up your neck muscle, you do your neck bridges.

Speaker 5 (10:39):
I want to see Fred doing neck bridges in front
of drakes.

Speaker 4 (10:44):
The falling is like the same as getting hit on
an NFL field. Like none of these guys that get
tackled on a regular basis in the NFL do neck bridges,
I guess because they all hit their head on the turn.

Speaker 2 (10:57):
Not all of them do, they all do. All of
them do.

Speaker 4 (11:01):
Fortunately, in this particular case, when you when you hit
your head on the turf, it doesn't automatically translate to
a concussion, which evidently was the case this week for
Drake May. But he got us up and he's shaking
it like Mike and I were like, oh, he's going
to get We knew the independent spot or if he
was doing his job was good. I mean, how could
you see that and not at least have him get checked. Untunately,

(11:22):
he only made a couple.

Speaker 2 (11:23):
I know, my fellow wrestlers out there and people who
have done their neck exercise over time will back me up.
You can not eliminate it, but reduce it.

Speaker 4 (11:33):
So I don't want him to stop running because I
think that's a big part of his game, and I
think his athleticism and all that is a huge part
of what he does. But I do think in the
regular season, you know, especially earlier in the season, you know,
when these games are not on the line, a little
bit more judicially, like Evan said, you know, Josh Allen's

(11:55):
done a good job. I think Mahomes has done. You know,
Mahomes started run a little bit more like last year
because the offense needed him to run more. But there
was a time where he would be a whole different
guy in the playoffs than he was in the regular season.
Terms there was running.

Speaker 2 (12:09):
Yeah. So Drake freaking May Kay, Shawn freaking Booty. Yeah,
this guy. Every week, whatever is thrown to him, he catches.
And now it's like, it's some of these catches aren't
just your normal catches, Like that one. I thought for
sure that was overthrown in the N zone. Yeah, and
he just you know, unbelievable.

Speaker 1 (12:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (12:31):
I mean, look, we could sit here in gush about
like ten different throws of Drake Mays in this game,
and I think that that's all well and good. Like,
I mean, the one to Booty is a great throw.
One of Hollands along the sideline is a great throw.
The other one to Booty is another great throw with
pressures and digs.

Speaker 4 (12:47):
One is in the digs, one on the sideline digs Hollands,
and then the Booty touchdown. Those three, you know, Mike
and I talked about for like ten minutes.

Speaker 1 (12:54):
On the both sidelines down the field in the middle.

Speaker 3 (12:56):
I mean, I mean the one to Booty on the
left sideline and off screen is like Will Campbell's right
in his lap, so he's playing in a phone booth
and he has no there's no pocket to step into.

Speaker 4 (13:07):
And the fact that he gets that ball there, I
thought Boody did a great job on that. Yeah, because
when that ball was thrown, we were like, that was
very mac Jones.

Speaker 3 (13:16):
There's just not a lot of quarterbacks that have the
arm strength to get the ball outside the numbers with
pressure in their lap like that. And so when you
have that ability, like it just opens the entire field.

Speaker 4 (13:26):
Like he can make it.

Speaker 3 (13:27):
You know, it's cliche, but like he can literally make
every single throw.

Speaker 2 (13:30):
And the catch by Pop Douglas, how did he change
his direction and able to reach out behind him?

Speaker 3 (13:40):
Yeah, I mean, like those are the types of plays
to me the last couple of years that that's a
drop right, Like that's that's an incomplete pass. And then
we get on the show and I we have to
talk about sitting versus own, versus breaking versus man and
all this different type of stuff. But when you're rolling,
you know he reaches back and makes a spider man
catch and somehow gets the ball, you know, and he

(14:01):
ran the wrong route, but he made you know that
for sure, like ninety nine.

Speaker 4 (14:06):
I think it was zone. Mean, Mike and I talked
about that in.

Speaker 2 (14:09):
The post, So you're thinking he should have just sat there.

Speaker 3 (14:11):
Yeah, Like, especially in that situation where it's like fourth
down and just when you have that opening in the zone,
like just get to the sticks and turn around, you know,
And he kind of continued to run that slant over
the middle of the field. But you know, it's a
great catch, and you know the fact that he made
it again I feel like is just indicative the catch

(14:32):
winning was amazing.

Speaker 2 (14:33):
Might as well be the offensive coordinator, that's right.

Speaker 3 (14:35):
Yeah, thanks Mac, you're dealing congratulations from four wins for
you now he's played well.

Speaker 7 (14:42):
Thanks.

Speaker 2 (14:42):
So really, so there's there's a hell of a lot
to be excited about with the Patriots, Uh, you know defense.

Speaker 4 (14:51):
Can we talk about the game a little bit like
back with the the Douglas play. Anybody anti going for
that one? So fourth down, so to recaituation recapping, they
had scored to close the first half to go up
seventeen thirteen. They get the ball to start the second half,
they're going to do the double score. You know, they're

(15:13):
obviously well within field goal range inside the red zone,
and it's fourth and three. I think I thought an
argument could be made, take the points, get the double score,
now you're up a touchdown, and make a bad offense
chase you a little bit. They went for it and
got it, obviously, and it worked out even better because
they got a two score lead. But I thought an

(15:34):
argument could be made that that was a little bit aggressive.

Speaker 5 (15:37):
It goes back a little bit to a couple of
games ago when they settled for the three kind of
along your lines, We're just like felt like we needed points.

Speaker 4 (15:43):
I thought they needed points on that drive, that the
ten straight points would have allowed the game to have changed,
whereas they gave it a chance for one play. If
the Titans can just make one play and not allow
any points, the damn was kind of mitigated of the
way that half ended, But I mean not fortunately, Douglas

(16:05):
made a terrific catch YEP adjustment to you know, his route.
I said the same thing to Evan. I was like,
I always ask Evan on Tuesdays when he comes in,
just curious your thoughts on it because I know he's
breaking this stuff down. And that's Mike and I talked
about that a little bit on the post game.

Speaker 2 (16:21):
So what do we make of the defense with these
slow starts by the defense, but then second half shutting
teams down.

Speaker 5 (16:28):
Well see, and I did some I don't I won't
jump into him yet. I did some nerd research and
I'm gonna be curious. I told Paul, he's gonna blow
your mind curious of Evan's Evan's take on them. But
I mean, the game changed with the three touchdown swing.
So it wasn't like I didn't feel like, oh, they
came out and just played great in the second half.
It's like when they came out in the second half,
all of a sudden, they're sitting on I mean, essentially

(16:49):
with the chase on play, they've now got a three
touchdown you know, three touchdown scoring streak, and the game
just completely changed.

Speaker 1 (16:57):
And now Tennessee's really got a.

Speaker 5 (16:59):
Chase and they can pull back a little bit, and
I just think it gives them more freedom.

Speaker 4 (17:02):
So I the Patriots.

Speaker 2 (17:04):
The score dictated the Patriots more than an adjustment at
the Patriots, like Brady like it rang true to me
what Rabel said, where you know, early on they were
getting with some scheme stuff.

Speaker 5 (17:15):
You know, the first, i think first or second play
of the game where they motion a guy across and
Tava loses him and it's an easy completion to the flat.
You know, that rang true to me, that they're scheming
up coming into the game plan, and that's why teams
are having success, which leads me to the big question
of how do you prepare.

Speaker 1 (17:31):
To get schemed up out of the gate?

Speaker 5 (17:33):
Like now, you know, every team goes into a game
saying this is what this defense does. These are the
players that can put them in a tough position or
you know, screwed their rules a little bit.

Speaker 1 (17:41):
How do you prepare for that?

Speaker 2 (17:42):
And maybe that's it's not just us. A lot of
teams get hit early when when when that script? But
it's starting to become.

Speaker 4 (17:51):
There are numbers the Patriots like the third worst in
the league on the first two drives of the game,
and then they're like eighth the rest and then they
I mean, the numbers across the board defensively are good.

Speaker 5 (18:01):
They are, And that's what's so hard to like to
get into this. Let's pick some knits and try to
really break down.

Speaker 4 (18:07):
I think there's two combination of two things that you're seeing,
and the first is, in this particular game, the offense
changed the game. You know, they score at the end
of the half, they score to start the second half,
and then you know, now all of a sudden, Tennessee
can't do those little things. They can't run Pollard, they
can't roll little balls. They got to try to score,
and you know, obviously cam Wood makes a huge mistake

(18:30):
on the first play after that and the game is
completely over. So that was the first that you oh,
I'm nodded in the first half. But it's a whole
new team, Freddy, It's a whole new team in terms
of expectations. So I think the offense did that. But
the other part is, I mean, let's let's be honest

(18:51):
with ourselves. That's as good as Tennessee can play offensively.
They're not doing that to anybody else like they can't.
We said how many nine categories they were thirtieth or lower.
That's what they are.

Speaker 6 (19:06):
You know.

Speaker 4 (19:07):
I think cam Wood shows some potential. I think he
made some good throws in the game. He got a
little inaccurate at times too, obviously, you can't drop the
batch two weeks in a row. He just dropped them,
you know, solid small kitchens. You can say, well, you know,
chase on them with the pressure. And he did the
same thing against the Raiders the week before. This is
what Tennessee does. Thirteen points for them is that's not

(19:27):
a bad day offensively for them. They're not good. They're
going to face another offense that's very similar this week.
They're like thirtieth or worse in a lot of offensive
categories too.

Speaker 5 (19:38):
And that's kind of what scares me is that you've
had two you know, colors just call him two first
year quarterbacks, a rookie, and you know, a second year
guy starting for the first time in the last two weeks,
completing passes.

Speaker 4 (19:47):
It will and I mean and Atlina goes right down
the field. Early in the game. They had I think
six drives that went into Patriots' territory, but they only
ended up with fourteen points or whatever it was. That's
what they are. They scored thirteen in one this week.
They're not good offensively, but they're playing a lot of
bad offenses too, which I think has allowed them to
get their bearings. Some point in the second quarter, third quarter,

(20:11):
and they shut a team down because they just don't
have the ability to score.

Speaker 2 (20:14):
This linebacker they picked up on waivers yesterday. Does that
give you any indication of what they're thinking in terms
of coverage, you know, in the middle of the field
or anything, like.

Speaker 4 (20:24):
He's edge guy. This is Mike speaks to the edge
depth because he's like three six three two forty.

Speaker 2 (20:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (20:33):
Sure, I mean they'll play off the edge for them.
I just to me, it speaks to the depth. And
you know, Harold Landry Chase on good players solid, but
after that, it's.

Speaker 2 (20:43):
Kind of kind of a wash.

Speaker 5 (20:44):
I mean, you haven't seen Keon White really do anything.
Anthony Jennings seems to have fallen out of the picture.
Elijah Ponder is a special teamer. I just that's a
that's another position that Razor thin depth.

Speaker 1 (20:53):
And I think they like this kid.

Speaker 5 (20:54):
He was in with Rabel too, So I we'll see
if he plays anything more than special teams.

Speaker 1 (20:58):
But I think there's a chance he's your third backup.

Speaker 5 (21:01):
You know, maybe by next few weeks that he's getting
some snaps on team.

Speaker 3 (21:04):
Okay, I just wonder And with the whole opening script,
I had the numbers and after further of you as well,
there's first three drives versus the rest of the game,
and this game is actually the fourth drive that Tennessee
stopped scoring after.

Speaker 4 (21:18):
But anyways, that.

Speaker 3 (21:20):
He's not gonna say this publicly because I don't think
they would want to tip their hand, but it looks
to me like they're kind of just playing their base
scheme for the first like three or four drives of
the game. And I do wonder if there is some
cat and mouse of let's just see what they're gonna
do against us and kind of let the game declare
and then we'll make a few adjustments and we'll figure

(21:43):
it out defensively. And I understand that some people will
be worried about that because if you play, you know,
again with Josh Allen and or you know, if Baltimore
is healthy, or even this Tampa offense coming up, like
you're worried that they're going to give up seventeen points
and it's not gonna stop right, like they're not going
to be able to stem the tide. But I keep

(22:05):
thinking that's gonna happen, that one of these weeks, like
they're you know, they'll they'll give up twenty one and
they'll be down twenty one to three because the offense
doesn't hold its end of the bargain, and the offense
just keeps them in the game, like they just keep
scoring offensively. So I just I don't know if it's
going to be able to come up and really bite
them with the schedule at their play, Like maybe eventually

(22:27):
once we start to get some of these bigger games
down the road.

Speaker 4 (22:30):
But is Cleveland going to do that to them?

Speaker 2 (22:32):
But you kind of figure Cleveland's gonna put up more
of a fight defensively for sure.

Speaker 3 (22:36):
Against this They but like they can't throw the ball
down the score, they can't.

Speaker 2 (22:39):
Score, I know, but they're gonna maybe keep themselves in
the game.

Speaker 4 (22:43):
You would think that if they get off to a
good start offensively, they can play with the lead for
a while because Tennessee wasn't able to do that because
they have a bad defense too, right, and maybe maybe
Cleveland can get a stop or two to Evan's point,
and all of a sudden, it's ten to nothing, right
instead of ten ten, which is ten three happening in
these games.

Speaker 2 (23:03):
The running game showed signs of life this week. Was
it sort of a facade or is it for real?

Speaker 1 (23:11):
I mean, haven't wrote the light box stuff. Yeah, definitely
took advantage.

Speaker 3 (23:15):
Yeah, I mean that that's all it is to me.
This is all chess match stuff. Like Titans came out,
they played two high safeties in the opening drive, and
the Patriots ran it right down their throats. And this
is what I've been talking about for a couple of
weeks now, Like, as long as they can run the
ball when other teams are conceding the run, then I
don't really care too much about their overall rushing production.

(23:36):
I care about what they are situationally running the ball.
And if the other team is literally saying you have
to run the ball, can you run it? All these
numbers that they have, and you know, with the run
game that are down near the bottom of the league,
you know, when teams are putting seven eight guys in
the box, like, it's going to be hard to grind
out rushing yard. It's not impossible, but it's going to
be hard. So as good as their offense is throwing

(23:59):
the football, as long as they can run the ball
when it's opportunistic for them to run the ball, and
they can run it in short yardage and run it
on the goal line and like that type of thing,
Like that's all they need to be able to get
out of the running game. They don't need the running
game to be the engine of the offense. They have
Drake may to be the engine of the game.

Speaker 4 (24:17):
What did you see in terms of Tennessee's adjustment after
like that? Yeah, so with the light boxes, no.

Speaker 3 (24:23):
And I think that was the most fascinating part was that,
you know, in the first half they ran a lot
of too high safety and then the second half they
didn't run as much too high safety and they started
putting the extra defender in the box, and the Patriots
killed him with a couple of play actions, you know,
against single high safeties.

Speaker 4 (24:39):
MATC.

Speaker 3 (24:39):
Collins's twenty seven yard catches just wide open over the
middle of the field off a little play action. So
they that's it, right, Like if you can answer, you
have an answer to problem solve what the defense is
giving you. They play single high, can you throw it?
They play too high?

Speaker 4 (24:54):
Can you run it?

Speaker 3 (24:55):
And then you kind of get them in a blender
there of like which one do you pick?

Speaker 4 (24:58):
Did they stay with the the too high in the
first half, Like for most of the first half. So that,
to me is the best sign is that you were
able to throw the ball against the too high and
I think of two of you know, Evan likes to
call him the honey shots. You know, want the one
to Booty that he talked about that Drake Drake had
a guy in his lap, and then the one to

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Matt Collins down the other sideline. Those are I would
think it's tough on TV. I would think those are
too high looks because that's the shot that you have
to hit. They're able to get the ball downfield against
defenses that are supposed to be taking away the downfield stuff.
I think that might be the best sign because I
could look at it very simplistically and stubbornly and say, yeah,

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you ran the ball right down the field in the
first drive. Would you end up with three because you
got down there and got sacked. It's hard to score
that way. Once you get down there, it tightens up
a little bit and it's hard to just run it
all the way in. But they responded by throwing the
ball in the next drive and they get touchdowns. And
then obviously the two minute drill at the end. I

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mean that was just yeah, that was against quarters.

Speaker 3 (26:06):
Three plays, so that was that was against quarters.

Speaker 4 (26:10):
That's against too high. But would it have mattered if
it was the thirty five instead of the forty?

Speaker 2 (26:15):
It would matter if he kicked it where it's supposed
to be and they only returned it to the twenty.

Speaker 4 (26:19):
Well, I mean that's true, because no, I think that
was the that was what they were trying to do
given what they have with the return situation. Now, you're right,
I was just automatically assuming they get ball to the
thirty thirty five yard line like every other team does.
But you're right, they've been struggling in that since Gibson
went out.

Speaker 3 (26:36):
I think he's the best pull shot artist in the NFL.
Like when they play cover two and he has those
honey holes on the sideline, I think he throws that
ball better than any quarterback in the league. I mean
it's just every week it's just like I can rattle
off like six.

Speaker 2 (26:52):
It just seems like the switch was just flipped with him.
He just seems so much more confident out there be
rattled and just the accuracy, the accuracy especially down.

Speaker 3 (27:03):
Post snap rotation to like you know they on the
Hollands one. They they run an inverted cover two where
they flip the safety in the corner on that side
of the field, so they kind of show something different
pre snap, and then it rotates post snap, and he
just sees it. You know, he's looking right at the
corner and seeing the corner drop into the deep part
of the field and just waits for Hollands to clear

(27:24):
the underneath the fender and rips it and he just
he throws that ball with the weight on the football
to kind of like get it right into the honey hole.
He throws it better than any guy I've seen in
the league this year.

Speaker 1 (27:35):
It's crazy.

Speaker 2 (27:36):
It's great. Stay after the game, they gave the game
ball to Mike Vrabel. This team loves their coach.

Speaker 5 (27:44):
Yeah, it's a great pick. Great pick we use there everybody.
He's just digs grabbing them. I mean, it's just good vibes,
really good vibes, and it's all feeding into itself now.
And like Kevin said, now Pop Douglas is starting to
make catches. Maybe he necessarily wouldn't feel I mean, it's
just I said I think on the postgame show to Paul,
like the last two years of four wins you realize,

(28:05):
like each loss it gets a little worse. And now
this is here has been a reminder that like each
winning gets a little better, you get a little more confidence.
You know, you see other players getting to step up
and contribute and feel like they're part of it, and
you know, you just want to keep this momentum rolling.
I don't know if if they can. I mean, it's
a long season. It's there's gonna be a lot tougher
challenges coming down. I don't know if a lot tougher,
but it tougher challenges coming down the pike that they're

(28:27):
gonna have to deal with. And you know, but I'm
at the point now where I'm talking myself into the
Browns being pretty good. That's why I'm like, no, no, no,
I think we should The Browns are not pretty good.

Speaker 2 (28:36):
The defense is number one in the league.

Speaker 4 (28:37):
The defense is good.

Speaker 2 (28:38):
Okay, they're good.

Speaker 4 (28:40):
So they had two and five.

Speaker 2 (28:41):
They have they have a super power that can give
you trouble.

Speaker 3 (28:44):
If they get to seventeen points, I'd be shocked. But
the thing about the you know, you give credit. You know,
wherever you want to give credit for Drake may give
it to him. I think mostly, But you know, Josh Rabel,
the culture change that has already happened with this team
is like night and day from the last two years

(29:04):
to now. And he did that in seven weeks, you know,
like he's been on the job for what ten months now,
and they already the vibe and the culture is just
a completely one eighty from where it.

Speaker 4 (29:18):
Has been the couple one.

Speaker 3 (29:20):
Yeah, And that's like, you know, because a lot of
people would respond wile winning is you know, cure is all.
But I think this goes back to Paul's point to
training camp and even in the preseason, like I felt
a difference and like just guys want to be there,
like guys care, guys have energy, Guys want to travel,
they want to be on the road. I can't tell

(29:40):
you how many times, like over the last couple of
years it felt like nobody wanted to go on this
road trip, right, Like, no one really is that interested
in going to Vegas to play the Raiders across the
country Trent Brown and now like all of a sudden,
you get into these locker rooms after the game and
it's a totally different vibe and that's.

Speaker 4 (30:01):
It, Like, like Mike said on that shot, you know,
when Drake is given v Abel the ball and you
know Diggs is in the background, you see Pop Douglas
in the background. After Henry's jumping up and down, school
comes in and you know is hitting them. And I
do think it's contented. Now I don't know you like
I do think it's it's winning based. But you know,

(30:22):
there's an argument you made. Do you have good culture
because you're winning, or you're winning because you have good culture,
Like you can look at it either way, but I
do think it's kind of like it was a perfect
storm of a start in terms of you played a
lot of teams that are very you know, below average,
and you were able to beat most of them. You
lost one, you know, to the Raiders, right, but you

(30:45):
were able to beat most of them, and that immediately
gives you belief like you might have had belief. And
I agree with Evan because we talked about this all
all training camp. I think that they had a belief.
But you get that validated when you win. You have
you have the proof of constant we can win.

Speaker 2 (31:01):
If we do X, Y and Z, you're getting there.

Speaker 4 (31:03):
And then they had the one game where they couldn't
do X Y and Z against Pittsburgh and they got
to see we're capable of winning these games if we
don't beat ourselves. You see, right, it was a good lesson,
you know, it was good. It was kind of like
a perfect storm of a start to.

Speaker 2 (31:18):
The veterans that he brought in v Abel and free
agency have really meshed with the holdovers like the Hunter
Henry's and the Pop douglas Is that you mentioned. You know,
there isn't like all the guys that were here before
and these are the new No, they they meshed immediately,
and you got to give credit to Fred Diggs.

Speaker 4 (31:36):
I give to Digs a lot of credit for that too,
because he has been and people on the field, people
don't have a lot of bad things to say about
Digs in terms of his compete level and all that stuff,
but I think he's been more.

Speaker 2 (31:48):
Of a leader. Well during the game, you see it.

Speaker 4 (31:51):
To the to the group and you know, obviously he's played.
He's played like Diggs has always played like. I mean,
he's a great he's a great player pro, but he
he is a pro. Yes, in football wise. Stuff that
I used to tell Mike Orsau about when I used
he used to mind ridically.

Speaker 5 (32:07):
Well, not that I had a one ady, but you know,
like I I saw, always saw the player that ripped
our hearts out. But to me, like you said, Paul
being in the locker room and now where he speaks
every Wednesday, we're right next to him here. Everything he
says that to me has been just a huge factor too.
And when you start to talk about turning rooms around,
and you know, giving Pop Douglas and Kaishan Boody and
I'm not saying I want to give you know, Diggs

(32:28):
credit for Boo Hoo boot he's playing now. I think
he has been on that track, but he's really been
a solidifying source for that room, and I think just
gives them some leadership to kind of follow.

Speaker 4 (32:37):
And in that room like that position, I think it's hard.
I asked Todd Downing this left. You know, I had
a chance to talk to Todd Downing last week year.
Did the rest of the meeting correct? That was in
the Espianism right there. I had a chance to talk
to Todd Downey me and about thirty of my closest friends.
But I just I asked him how rare it is

(32:57):
for that position, because he was talking a lot of
about these things that we're talking about, and it's Booty
getting you know, two passes thrown to him, but ready
to go and being just as excited that week as
he was the previous week when he had five or
six catches, or like opening week when he caught all
those passes for one hundred yards and how you know,
how rare is that? And he's like, yeah, no, it's

(33:18):
not like that all the time. And I give Diggs
a lot of credit for that, because he has been
the guy that the reputation, the negative reputation for him
is that he's always wanting the ball, Give me the ball,
throw me the ball. I'm not getting enough touches. Even
when Josh Allen's targeting him one hundred and thirty times
a year, he's not satisfied. I haven't seen any of

(33:39):
that so far. Now he's getting the lion's share of
the targets. But as I just mentioned, that's been the
case in the past, and he's still not always been happy, right,
He certainly looks happy now. The message in the locker
room last week was, you know, don't drink you know, like,
don't take the Titans lightly, don't drink the kool aid.

(33:59):
What is Dig saying on Wednesday when he's talking to
Evan and Mike, don't drink the kool aid. He's He's
the guy that's delivering the coach's message, just like everybody else.
So I think he's been really, really a good fit
for those guys.

Speaker 3 (34:11):
You selfish position that on this team is selfless. Like
they do not act like they act like receivers, but
they don't act like receivers, like they're not. You know,
no one's pouting in the corner that they're not getting targets,
nobody's complaining about things anymore. Yeah, and all that kind
of stuff. And like Pop Douglas is another perfect example

(34:32):
of a guy that really has had his role reduced
significantly compared to what we thought he would do this season,
but when they needed him and when he's called upon
and his energy is still great.

Speaker 2 (34:43):
He's focused.

Speaker 3 (34:44):
Yeah, you know, he had the windcam of him coming
off the field and he's still just as happy as
he you know, would have been if he had ten
catches in the game. And like that's hard to find
in that that position in particular, that's really just a.

Speaker 2 (34:55):
Putting team first. And you know, another coach who always
emphasize that we have to mention Bill Belichick one of
the people up for the Hall of Fame this year.
He's on the list. I would assume that he's going
to get in. That's just my take. But I don't know,
you know some of these some of these writers.

Speaker 4 (35:15):
I think there's some good coaches on this list.

Speaker 2 (35:17):
Yeah, but not not even close.

Speaker 4 (35:22):
Greed to disagree.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
Really, who on the list should be in before him?

Speaker 4 (35:28):
Should be is a strong word? Yes, could be.

Speaker 2 (35:31):
Oh, anything can happen with these rights.

Speaker 4 (35:33):
I'm not talking about like they're going to do something
that you think is wrong. I'm gonna I'm talking about
well yeah, okay, so then there's no sense of talking
about it.

Speaker 2 (35:41):
Well that's my opinion.

Speaker 4 (35:42):
You go ahead, But that's fine. I'm going to read
the twelve. I think Shanahan, these guys have Dan Reeves.
These guys have brought multiple teams to Super Bowls, okay
without Tom Brady.

Speaker 2 (35:53):
But you're saying they should be ahead of Bill Belichick.
I'm not.

Speaker 4 (35:56):
I'm not.

Speaker 2 (35:56):
That's all I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (35:57):
But you're saying it like it's a foregone conclusion. I
don't don't think it is that that's all I'm saying
what it should be exactly. So why should we argue
like there's no other side of it? According to you?

Speaker 2 (36:07):
So why does he do this? Why can't I?

Speaker 4 (36:10):
I think that Bill Welichick's a Hall of Famer, certainly,
but I don't just dismiss everybody else.

Speaker 2 (36:16):
But I'm not just I think maybe their time will come,
but there should be an order here.

Speaker 3 (36:21):
So I think that his time might be the one
that's coming because this list, to Paul's point, and a
lot of these guys have already been on this list
for a couple of years now and been sort of
waiting their turn, like a Mike Shanahan. So Bill Arsenberger,
who have never.

Speaker 4 (36:35):
Heard Barker, Tom he was a long time whenever the
defensive coordinator. I don't think he's He's not on the
level Tom Coughlin. Tom Coughlin's another one.

Speaker 8 (36:47):
Alex gives but ahead of Bill beat him twice, all right,
but still Eli Manning, Mike Holmgren, Chuck Knox, Buddy Parker,
who's kind of a legend, Dan Reeves, Marty Schottenheimer, George Seaffert.

Speaker 4 (37:02):
Come on, please, George sefer doesn't belong enough Mike Shanahan
and Clerk Shaughnessy, So Bill would take shawness.

Speaker 2 (37:11):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (37:11):
I'm obviously in agreement with you, Fred, but some of
these guys have waited their turn already, so they might have.

Speaker 2 (37:18):
To still wait.

Speaker 4 (37:19):
But we're not talking about Bill's like worthiness like that.
I don't think there's an argument against Bill's really I'm.

Speaker 2 (37:26):
Him up against the people on this Bill Arns.

Speaker 4 (37:30):
But I think that there's three or four guys Reeves, Shanahan, Holmgren,
you know, all good coaches, all great coach Coughlin, who
brought Coughlin, who brought multiple teams to Super Bowls, built
different programs. I don't know how you can look at
what happened in the last five years and not look

(37:51):
at Bill a little bit differently.

Speaker 2 (37:52):
All these guys had bad years.

Speaker 4 (37:55):
That's not what I That's not what I meant. Yeah,
without Tom Brady is what I mean. Sure, I don't
know how you cannot look at it a little differently.
If we're just going to say six titles, then why
are we even talking, right? If you're not going to
actually analyze how they got there. That's all I'm saying
is Bill Belichick is Bill Belichick a Hall of Fame coach,

(38:18):
no brainer, there's no argument against does it.

Speaker 2 (38:21):
Now, does his defensive coordinator stuff take get taken into consideration?

Speaker 1 (38:25):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (38:26):
I mean that adds to is his.

Speaker 4 (38:30):
So does Mike Shanahan's ability to have half the successful
offenses in football running his system? Does that count?

Speaker 2 (38:38):
That's why he's on the list.

Speaker 4 (38:39):
No, it's not why he's on the list. He won
two Super Bowls.

Speaker 2 (38:43):
Okay, but but it's addition, it's part of his legacy.

Speaker 3 (38:47):
But it's it's a big feather in his cat.

Speaker 2 (38:49):
Absolutely counts.

Speaker 4 (38:51):
Now, I would have Belichick would be my lore Alice
Gibbs right, Belichick would be on that list. My number
one choice for this year would be Bill Belichick. I
just think that it's worthy of a discussion, like, not
a dismissal.

Speaker 5 (39:04):
I mean, the unfortunate part is that this is going
to be chosen by a committee, and you wonder if
the select members of the committee had bad feelings towards
Bill that I personal, So it's a fact you never know.

Speaker 4 (39:16):
I just think that you can make a football discussion
why Shanahan a home Grin or Coughlin or Reeves should
go first without it being like a petty we don't
like bill ism, like don't. That's a tough argument. Again,
I wouldn't. I would make the Belichick argument, but I
don't really understand why. But you're only some other guys

(39:39):
because their only.

Speaker 3 (39:40):
Default of that argument is that with Brady without Brady split.

Speaker 4 (39:44):
That's big, okay, but quarterbacks too.

Speaker 3 (39:47):
Yeah, and you're just taking out of an account like
the beginning.

Speaker 4 (39:49):
Of Matt Hasselbeck that Mike Congren took to the super
Bowl Brett far right far, but he did it without
Brett Farve. Is my point? Bill didn't he went to
a super Bowl without Brett Favre.

Speaker 2 (40:03):
Oh I never had Brett fav I don'm only kidding Bill,
never mind.

Speaker 5 (40:08):
But every one of these guys a lot of their success,
maybe not all of it, but is kind of I.

Speaker 4 (40:13):
Mean, Tom beat them twice with Eli Mannings, who you
guys all think sucks.

Speaker 2 (40:20):
Of course not, of course not just because he beat
him twice doesn't mean anything.

Speaker 4 (40:25):
No, it doesn't mean anything.

Speaker 2 (40:27):
Just said, of course not.

Speaker 4 (40:28):
No. You asked me what I take Eli Manning over Brady,
I would say that, course not. But it means something
that he won twice, right.

Speaker 2 (40:34):
But not enough to put him over Tom Brady.

Speaker 4 (40:36):
No, because Tom Brady won seven and in.

Speaker 2 (40:38):
The fact that Tom Cofflin beat Bill twice doesn't put
him over Bill.

Speaker 4 (40:45):
Listen, you only had two chances.

Speaker 2 (40:46):
I like Tom Cofflin, and not just for the Tom
Coffin he built up a new franchise immediately till he
immediately took them to the AFC Championship.

Speaker 4 (40:57):
Again, more success without Tom Brady.

Speaker 3 (41:00):
I just think that, you know, if I was making
the pitch for Bill, because let's face it, it will
be a crappy pitch what it is, But if I
was making the pitch for Bill, like, you can't just
ignore the fact that until Brady truly became an MVP
candidate year in and year out, that those early teams
were built on defense and game planning and Bill's side

(41:24):
of things.

Speaker 4 (41:24):
We did disagree with that too.

Speaker 3 (41:26):
The two thousand and one Patriots were not built.

Speaker 4 (41:28):
Two thousand and one is the one that's it. Okay,
all three and oh four were wagon Well four was
the best team the Patriots have ever had.

Speaker 3 (41:34):
They were wagons. But like to just discount everything that
Bill did to set that up, and not to mention.

Speaker 4 (41:41):
That he's a Hall of Famer. I'm not discounting a
Hall of Famer.

Speaker 3 (41:43):
Okay, but I'm just saying, like, you know, not to
mention the things that Brady gives him credit for in
terms of Brady's individual development, with teaching him how to
read defenses and teaching him all the nuances of the
position and not just having him go out there and
run around and play quarterback like those types of things
are are that's more of.

Speaker 2 (42:04):
And anyone who doesn't believe that doesn't know football.

Speaker 4 (42:07):
And there and I would agree with you.

Speaker 3 (42:09):
I just think the only reasons to keep him out
over these guys that are on this list are pettiness
or the fact that they've been on the list for
longer than he has. Like that, it's those two things.
It's not resume like you can't like, oh, I mean.

Speaker 4 (42:23):
He has six and they only have whatever two in
most cases, you know, so resume is it's a no brainer.
I just I would like to think that these guys
do more than just look at like who had the
most win, Like does Marty Shottenheim are going because he
has anybody.

Speaker 2 (42:38):
Shouldn't even be on the list. Well, he should be.

Speaker 4 (42:40):
On the list, but because he was one of the
best coaches of all time. I don't think is he
on the level of those other guys that wan no.

Speaker 2 (42:47):
Like, how how down low do we have to go?

Speaker 3 (42:50):
If you know, if you were hiring a head coach
and you got him in his prime, not this version
of Bill Belichick, but Bill Belichick in his prime versus
Shanahan and his high prime, versus home Gren, versus Coughlin.
All thirty two teams are hiring Bill Belichick in his prime.

Speaker 4 (43:06):
I don't know about that.

Speaker 3 (43:07):
Oh come on, I don't know about it, but that's crazy.

Speaker 4 (43:11):
All like Shanahan killed Belichick head to head.

Speaker 2 (43:15):
Okay, he did, he had his number.

Speaker 4 (43:17):
Yeah, I mean, I just don't know, like I would
pick Belichick, that's my choice. I just would like to
think that these voters actually analyze it and don't just say, well,
he has six titles better.

Speaker 2 (43:30):
I think Bill's mistake is he didn't retire. I think
ten years from now there's going to be a coach
when asked, hey, when are you leaving, He's is going
to say, well, I'm not going to coach into my
seventies like Bill Belichick.

Speaker 4 (43:42):
So if that's the problem, I agree with that. That
whole sentiment that you're going down because if he had
retired with when Tom left, you wouldn't have this right
so blatantly obvious sample size without Brady right like you
could say it took him a while, you know, this
first time around he learned like a lot of guys learning.
The second time he was a much better coach Cleveland.

(44:03):
But now, but now you have before and after, big,
big samples of before and after. I would like to
think that guys actually analyze that and use that.

Speaker 2 (44:14):
Now.

Speaker 4 (44:14):
Would I take Belichick?

Speaker 6 (44:15):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (44:17):
I would.

Speaker 4 (44:17):
Belichick would be on that list. He would be my
top choice. But the other thing about it is, even
if he ends up being the finalist, it doesn't mean
he's in. No, that's right, that he would just be
the coaches nominee, right, I mean, you know, the one
the one guy that's the finalist, and then it goes
down to the regular Hall of Fame committee to vote

(44:38):
for it, and Fred, we're not on that. You and
I know we're committee.

Speaker 2 (44:43):
Yeah, I don't know why not. I don't know why ridiculous.

Speaker 3 (44:47):
I think it's going to be tougher for Bill than
people then he should be because of all the reasons
that he's it's.

Speaker 4 (44:53):
Not because of him being such a you know, let's
face it, jerk. Is I hope that's not why I
think that shouldn't be come into play.

Speaker 3 (45:01):
But picking at all the nitpicks of his legacy, you
don't do that if you like the guy. You're only
doing that because you think he's a jerk. Like if
if we.

Speaker 4 (45:12):
Should, you shouldn't analyze the guy's performance. It shouldn't just
be because I.

Speaker 2 (45:16):
Don't like him.

Speaker 4 (45:17):
They're not going to sit there.

Speaker 3 (45:19):
And if you had a guy and you know, I
don't know how the media felt about all these guys,
but if you had a guy that is beloved in universe,
Andy Reid, Yeah, nobody is going to sit there in
ten years and start nitpicking Andy Reid's legacy to this degree.

Speaker 2 (45:36):
Paul's point, they should.

Speaker 4 (45:38):
They might would say, you know, probably, but they won't
took him twenty years to figure out how to run
the clock like that should be. That's coaching. That should
be part of the Andy Reid. It won't be well,
it won't be because he's well liked, because these things
are going to outweigh that, but that should be all
part of the equation.

Speaker 3 (45:56):
I think he's it won't because he's all right.

Speaker 2 (45:59):
A lot of emails, lot of calls. Eight five to
five past five hundred is the Hotline podcast at Patriots
dot com. I think it's a good time to take
a break, right because my food just got here.

Speaker 4 (46:09):
That's sure with me to make sure that the marine
is ready to go.

Speaker 2 (46:14):
No, I'm I'll give them a chance to get back
in there. But we do have a lot of emails.
I'm looking at some of the subject lines. Some look intriguing,
but you can never tell. They try to fool me
sometimes and we got will never read this, but yeah,
Paul needs to blank, you know. But we'll get to
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Speaker 11 (48:36):
Slight crowded day, that'd be Monday.

Speaker 6 (48:40):
Okay, I was laiding us off. Gotta text me care. Okay, good?
What is it? She asks Quoll.

Speaker 7 (48:47):
Does it make you feel good to hear so many
players talk about still having so much to fix and
get right after the game?

Speaker 6 (48:53):
I think so.

Speaker 11 (48:54):
I think that just the uh, the awareness and the
ability and the desire to want to improve in this
league as we go along, whether we win or we lose,
we have to we have to strive for that.

Speaker 6 (49:08):
It's just it's an improvement league. We've talked about.

Speaker 11 (49:11):
Getting better as we go along, and there's there's glimpses
of it, and we just need to be a little
bit more consistent and uh continue to build speA of improvement.

Speaker 4 (49:22):
Where did you see the ground game start to take
some strides. In terms of the positive princiss.

Speaker 6 (49:28):
I thought we were more decisive.

Speaker 11 (49:29):
I thought we gave them a chance early at the
line of scrimmage to be able to get into the
line of scrimmage, to be able to you know, make
some breaks and give them some space.

Speaker 6 (49:42):
You know, there's a lot there to continue to improve on.

Speaker 11 (49:45):
You know, if you want to hit some big ones,
you're going to have to be able to block support players.

Speaker 6 (49:48):
You have to be able to block safeties, block force.

Speaker 11 (49:53):
But I thought we got them into the through the
line of scrimmage at times. I thought we and we
were decisive. There were times where there wasn't anything there
and we got a couple of yards, and then there
were times where there's things there.

Speaker 6 (50:05):
We got double digit runs.

Speaker 12 (50:09):
At the game, Pop said, this is the first time
that he's been on a team where he feels like
the offensive defense are personally close.

Speaker 1 (50:14):
How's that something that you feel like you can.

Speaker 12 (50:16):
Kind of foster as the coaching staff.

Speaker 11 (50:19):
I mean, we're a team, you know, I mean, everybody's
here is trying to do the same thing. Is just win,
you know, whether that's the coaching staff, sports staff, trainers,
the players.

Speaker 6 (50:28):
You know, we're a team.

Speaker 11 (50:30):
We spend a lot of time together, so you know,
they practice against each other, they can compete against each other,
and so hopefully they can continue to build those connections
that that it's going to help them on the field,
help them off the field, help them hold each other accountable,
and you know, celebrate our success together.

Speaker 7 (50:49):
Mike and always cleaving the game sometimes concussion symptoms to
surface the next day.

Speaker 6 (50:53):
Is drinking any kind of protocol things not that I'm
aware of.

Speaker 9 (50:58):
And Drake, he gives you the game ball and it
seems like obviously these players really really want to play
with you in that show yesterday with the locker room video.

Speaker 4 (51:07):
How do you garner that support from the team. What
is kind of your I guess process.

Speaker 11 (51:11):
That I mean, my job is to provide them with
things that will help them do their job, that help
them in their career, to help them help the team.
And that's what we're trying to do. Try to be
as authentic as I can. I try to be honest
and try to get to know them, understand what they're

(51:34):
going through on and off the field, and try to
help them.

Speaker 6 (51:37):
That's it, Coach. We got Cleveland coming up, here. You
spent some time with the Browns.

Speaker 13 (51:42):
What did that hear do for your career?

Speaker 6 (51:44):
What? Well?

Speaker 11 (51:45):
I enjoyed that time. I enjoyed the people there, that organization.
I enjoyed working with Kevin and you know, the offensive
staff and Tommy Reese and Chad and you know, I
mean I played with Bubba so a lot of good
young coaches, Jim Schwartz, a really good relationship with with Schwartzy.

(52:05):
And you know, they're playing really well. They're coming off
a huge win. A great defense. Offense is physical, physical
line running back is doing a nice job. So you
know we're going to have a you know, get get
prepared as soon as we you know, we've shut the
door here with with.

Speaker 6 (52:25):
The Titans and moving on to the Browns.

Speaker 7 (52:28):
There's always a lot of techniques and you know, things
you can pick up on it, like the level anything
broader there than Kevin and Andrew were doing a kind
of thematic, big level that you've taken.

Speaker 11 (52:38):
As chiefs that you think, no, I mean a great
communication and I mean I I mean I didn't try
to get involved in the in the day to day operations.
I was I was trying to help the players. I
was trying to help the young coaches. You know, that

(52:58):
wasn't something that I got involved with. I try to
help a player development, but they have a great organization,
you know, as far as the structure and everything. So
but I try to be involved with the young coaches
and with the with the with the young players and
help them and practice and help them develop.

Speaker 4 (53:15):
You place as much emphasis on analytics before Cleveland.

Speaker 6 (53:18):
Or was there anything about that stuff that maybe change
your perspective.

Speaker 11 (53:22):
I mean, that's certainly something that they believe strongly in
and probably you know, we were getting involved with it
in Tennessee, probably not to the extent that that Cleveland has.

Speaker 6 (53:36):
We've we've added and I feel like we all do
you know.

Speaker 11 (53:41):
That that that can help us at a coaching level
and also help us uh as we look at personnel.

Speaker 6 (53:48):
So we'll continue to try to.

Speaker 11 (53:51):
Enhance that department and area and how they can help
us looking at what we do internally, but but also
externally is we look at players and acquiring players and
but probably won't get to that extent of where they're
at right now over overnight on the.

Speaker 6 (54:10):
Road, but wanted to a hope so far you hear
with this place and a hard place to play for
the live opponents.

Speaker 14 (54:17):
How important is.

Speaker 2 (54:18):
To get back to that pit five of an et cetera.

Speaker 13 (54:20):
To get help.

Speaker 11 (54:21):
Well, we're going to focus on the next one, not
not five, at the next seven.

Speaker 6 (54:25):
But certainly have appreciated the way that we've.

Speaker 11 (54:30):
Played on the road, and we know how important that
the home games are. You have to you have to
hold serve and you have to be great at home
and use that to advantage to where you know, it's
hard to operate, and we're giving them reasons to cheer
and celebrate and be excited. And so those are those
things that are important to us, and so hopefully we'll

(54:51):
give them that product this weekend.

Speaker 12 (54:54):
How big of a part this player development of what
you do and how much do you enjoy it?

Speaker 15 (54:58):
Well?

Speaker 6 (54:58):
I do enjoy it.

Speaker 11 (54:59):
I do you know, outside of winning, I've said this
numerous times. Outside of winning, Uh, I enjoy watching players improve.
I enjoyed watching them put a lot of work into
it and then having the success and seeing it at
a practice and then getting the opportunities in the game
and watching that translate. So that's something that we believe in.

(55:20):
You know, no one is a finished product when they
get here, whether whatever age you are or wherever you
you know you started or you came here, there's always
some things that you can continue to improve on. And
then we have another bucket of young players or developmental players.

Speaker 6 (55:35):
That that's critical that we do.

Speaker 7 (55:36):
That played really well, play the bulk of the steps
behind them. Travion just said nine. What was the thinking
there as far as that split being best for the offense?

Speaker 16 (55:45):
This week?

Speaker 6 (55:46):
Just kind of how it played out.

Speaker 11 (55:48):
I thought, you know, Remandre was was running well, and
you know, I had some good protections and and Travion
is going to be a large part of what we do.
Just think that the way that the game started, uh,
and the success that we had, you know, that's kind
of where it was this week. What did you see

(56:10):
is the biggest difference in the defensive performance after the
first quarter seemed like us were techno. Yeah, we just
didn't do a very good job of matching their script
and their scheme plays.

Speaker 6 (56:18):
And you know, we've got to.

Speaker 11 (56:20):
Do a better job of being ready to go with
some plays that maybe they've seen on tape or that
are new and using our fundamentals. And you know, I
got got beat on the script in their first plays
and then we'll have to do a better job.

Speaker 6 (56:35):
How must it like quick? That was new for you? Well,
every week there's something new, you know. I mean every
every week there's something new.

Speaker 11 (56:44):
I mean he talked about throwing the throwback, you know,
off the boot, off the keeper, so you know what
I mean, they've had that in and it's like everybody
else don't see stuff on tape and you know, try
to dial it up or try to do something.

Speaker 6 (56:59):
That's what this league is about.

Speaker 12 (57:02):
Shan with another X play yesterday. We were obviously seeing
the crows on the field, but how have you seen
the mature behind the scenes since you got here.

Speaker 6 (57:10):
I think he communicates better, you know.

Speaker 11 (57:12):
I think he's better a communicator, whether that's you know,
anything that he has to deal with outside of work
or you know outside of football, you know, family or
just talking in the building.

Speaker 6 (57:27):
I think that's improved. It's just his communication. You know.
He's pretty personal.

Speaker 4 (57:34):
And now great moments in.

Speaker 2 (57:38):
History. Remember one game, our other editor, Brian Morey was
out for some reason or something. Paul had to do
like everything himself.

Speaker 4 (57:45):
I don't think he was out. He was writing a book.

Speaker 2 (57:48):
And uh, you know I was as I was fled
as the night progressed, like a different article of clothing
would come off by the end of the night. Is undershirt.
I swear to god, he's sweating, just trying to get
everything done.

Speaker 4 (58:03):
It was like, thanks at Fred exaggerates a lot of
things about me. He is not exaggerating.

Speaker 2 (58:11):
Yeah, oh my god, that's another great moment. All right
back here and Patriots on Filter Day five to five
past five hundred is the Hotline podcast at Patriots dot com.
Is the email address. Of course, we're talking about the
game on Sunday against the Titans and a little bit
about Bill Belichick getting on the Hall of Fame list. Uh,

(58:33):
it's Evan, Paul, myself, Deuce, Alex and Matt and the booth.
Interesting email here, there's a lot of good ones coming in.
I appreciate that everyone who says this is Tom he's
an Edinburgh, Scotland. Firstly, Goodwin thought we played really well
and my hopes for the team are improving each week
with my floor slowly getting to be the playoffs. Now

(58:54):
my beef Mike do so. Mike, last week you complained
about Booty being one of those receivers that just runs,
catches and falls down. Has this game changed your opinion?
Why do you hate competent, reliable players who will run
go routes all day and not complain they catch the
ball when called upon. It's very similar to your door
set hatred, which was also uncalled for. I'm sorry that

(59:18):
you don't like people catching passes and helping the team.

Speaker 4 (59:20):
Yeah, Deuce, and.

Speaker 1 (59:22):
He's fine, he's fine, it's done a good job.

Speaker 4 (59:24):
I mean, did you see him he just catches the
ball on four?

Speaker 14 (59:29):
Well?

Speaker 5 (59:29):
No, no, But I get what he's getting at and
I don't think he's wrong, Like, I just think we
talk about this, that's the spot he's playing, Like did
he catch the ball and run through a bunch of people?

Speaker 1 (59:38):
No, it's not really his game. I get it. Like
it's fine, he's a good, complimentary outside piece. But I
don't know. People are like, this is the.

Speaker 5 (59:44):
Matchup that's gonna tear teams apart for the next decade,
and like is it though?

Speaker 1 (59:48):
Like I mean, to be honest, like.

Speaker 4 (59:50):
I see something in the middle of those two things.
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (59:52):
I mean, I just I still see Booty as a
piece that if you get that big dog that some
people are still clamoring for like that's the spot you're
gonna put him in, right, You're gonna put him over Booty.

Speaker 3 (01:00:01):
Yeah, no, it's it's fair.

Speaker 5 (01:00:03):
I mean you wanna go get T Higgins gets where
T Higgins plain by Booty.

Speaker 4 (01:00:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:00:07):
It's interesting though, like you know, because I know we
always talk about this with Brady, like this is all
the same receivers besides Diggs basically right, and and like
he's just Drake's just making him look like like world beaters.
And it's incredible, like how really good quarterback play can
all of a sudden. Now you know, Kaishan Boody is
eight not just a competent receiver, but a good deep

(01:00:29):
ball receiver. And uh, you know, Pop Douglas makes plays,
Matt Collins is making plays, Diggs is making plays, Austin
Hooper is making plays, and it's just fine. All goes
back to the quarterback.

Speaker 2 (01:00:40):
Philip dor sat yeah away from Beijing, China, writing in nice,
says Paul needs to get his stats sources straight. Ye,
I was listening to the show at midnight. But just
a couple of minutes in Paul mentions something incorrect. You
expected completion percentage from May in this game was sixty
seven percent according to both next gens. That's an RBSD.

Speaker 4 (01:01:02):
I was referenced rbs don't matter.

Speaker 3 (01:01:05):
Rbs don't matter, running backs don't matter.

Speaker 4 (01:01:07):
I didn't be I'm not telling you the stat was correct.
I'm telling you I did not get it incorrect. It
was on Twitter that someone was had week by week
Drake May's expected completion percentage. Now, maybe these sites had
a different number, Which is why I don't really put
much validity into an expected thing, because that's a totally

(01:01:29):
subjective measure.

Speaker 3 (01:01:31):
Well, it's an equation, it's a formula. But I think
what he's saying is is that his expected completion percentage
was x, and his actual completion percentage was why, so
therefore it would be better than his expected completions percentage
might have been seventy percent. His actual completion percentage was
ninety one percent.

Speaker 4 (01:01:49):
This is why I said, I may be getting it wrong. Yes,
that's what I kind of I'm telling you the number
I saw was ninety five point five. That's kind of what.

Speaker 3 (01:01:58):
I thought you were maybe getting wrong earlier. But I
wasn't sure, and so.

Speaker 4 (01:02:03):
That's not that's a whole different thing.

Speaker 1 (01:02:06):
It's like I love it.

Speaker 5 (01:02:07):
I just like being like trick ma is playing awesome
right now, Like I just you see all this like
statistical minutia of like, well, he's the first guy to
ever complete this many pass Like that's all great, and
I just don't you can cut it any different way
you want about this.

Speaker 2 (01:02:19):
He's playing awesome.

Speaker 4 (01:02:20):
I care about him throwing the ball down the field
and it's basically a thirty five yard hand on the
guy catch it, Like you can't possibly not catch the
passes that he's throwing. You know, I'm not telling you
everyone is life. I mean the Austin Hooper catch was sick. Yeah,
it was a great catch, But like the ball to
Holland's down the sideline to Digs in the second half
down the side, like you can't throw those any better, right,

(01:02:42):
I'm not a big CPOE guy.

Speaker 3 (01:02:44):
I think it's a useful stat sometimes from a standpoint
of like when you get the expected completion number, like
you can tell how easy or hard the throws that
he's making are because they use base it off of windows,
like is it a tight window or is it an
open window? So like if you're making a lot of

(01:03:06):
open window throws, then you obviously You're expected completion percentage
is going to be much higher than somebody that is
being forced to make a lot of.

Speaker 2 (01:03:14):
Tight case Josh Allen would be skewed because all this
throws are through a closing window.

Speaker 4 (01:03:21):
But back to the Josh Allen didn't know where he
was going with that. That was that long. Yeah, it
was along road to Grandma's as usual. The throw to
Digs in the Buffalo game. Down the sideline, I saw
all a bunch of Evans, you know, acolytes talking about
how it had such a miniscule, minuscule chance of being completed.

(01:03:42):
Like I don't really like that doesn't mean anything to me.
I can look and watch and say, wow, that was
really good there. Kim Wood had one. Kim Wood had
one in the game that there was like three layers
coming across. It would be one of those it's a
great throw. I don't ever do it again kind of plays,
but likes incredible first half the throw that he made.
I'll bet you the you know, the cpoe W whatever

(01:04:05):
it's called, wasn't great on that throw either. It's funny
about that different snoring problem. I understand the window as
opposed to you know, like the throw wasn't expected to
be completed, so the window was so tight the throw
had to be precise just to close the loop.

Speaker 3 (01:04:21):
Here, Drake May's expected completion percentage on Sunday was sixty
six point nine and his actual completion percentage was ninety
one point three. So therefore his CPOE is plus twenty
four percent because you take the expected and the actual.

Speaker 4 (01:04:39):
So I wish I could to find because he's, like
I said, I'm sure that I'm messing up this specific
stat The email is probably right about that I saw
something that listed it. It was higher than his actual.
His actual completion percentage should have been ninety five point five,
and I just don't think.

Speaker 5 (01:04:56):
Before you can I just stick on that because I
want to just talk about that play real quick, because
this is another thing for me statistically. Maybe Evan can
chime in, Like I watched that play which was completed
basically with like splane diving t VIY like turning and
like Gonzalez kind of running by it, and I believe
they like credit that Gonzales is like a past completion,
and that just made me pull the thread of like

(01:05:17):
Gonzales like on some of these plays, it's so hard
to assign blame, you know, even and I know we
I'm not trying to get int the PFF thing of
it all, but just for anybody watching, like, how do
you like it's it's a great play by them.

Speaker 4 (01:05:29):
There's you know, the coverage, I mean there's a million.
There's a million of those. I mean, like the touchdown
to DK in the first half of that game, you
could look and say, wow, Marcus Jones really struggling and
he's chasing them all across the field. But then you
you can see the safety did I think it was
Woodson the exact opposite thing that he should have and

(01:05:49):
ended up getting spun around, And it's clear that Marcus
Jones thinks he has support from the other side. Yeah,
and maybe Marcus Jones didn't have great coverage. And I'm
not trying to absolve, but my man crushed my.

Speaker 1 (01:06:00):
Drawn completion on this guy his fault.

Speaker 4 (01:06:03):
There's so much number one to coverage, especially in a
game like this. Do you have numbers like how much
zone they played in this game?

Speaker 3 (01:06:09):
Yeah, but it's just it's just not complicated. Like on
the throw that you guys are talking about, a cam
wored it's covered to Robert Splain's got the got the
deep hole. Like that's his assignment on that play, you know,
on the throw you're talking about.

Speaker 4 (01:06:21):
I'm with you.

Speaker 3 (01:06:21):
I put that one on Craig Woodson because Marcus Jones
is sticking outside leverage on DK. He's responsible for a
corner right because he's outside hip of the receiver. When
the receiver breaks on the post, there's a post safety.
He's literally called the post safety.

Speaker 4 (01:06:38):
It's pretty much with the Saints to the week before.
It's the exact same thing.

Speaker 3 (01:06:42):
It's literally the same exact play and the same exact result.
And so in both plays, like the safety has got
to stay home on the post.

Speaker 2 (01:06:49):
There's no reason ye because Jones definitely moved inside because
he thought something was happening behind him and it didn't
and then he took off.

Speaker 3 (01:06:56):
There's no reason for the safety to bite on the
corner because that it's Marcus Jones's responsibility. So as a safe,
as the quarterback is rolling out and he's throwing back
from right to left, safety's got to just stay right
in the deep middle of the field. I think a
lot of the problem that, you know, some of these
coverage metrics get confused as some of them, like next Gen,

(01:07:17):
are using proximity to the receiver. They're not talking about understanding.
It's cover two and this is the zone, and they're
using who is the closest physical person, which is not
to the receiver.

Speaker 2 (01:07:29):
It's right, Yeah, Gino writes in I wrestled throughout high
school and college. Yes, I've long since thought certain NFL
positions could benefit measurably from wrestling techniques, thank you, much
like receivers might benefit from ballet. As a quarterback, you're
going to be tackled. Therefore, prepare for the inevitable. Learning
to go down is one of the first things to

(01:07:50):
pick up as a wrestler, not only net bridges, but
how to roll into a fall, then to twist, when
to use an empty hand, how to absorb the weight
instead of using a stiff arm. If you curl your back,
then let it unfurl on impact. It reduces the velocity
of your head moving towards the ground. So people do
it instinctually. But our guy needs a little matt time.

Speaker 4 (01:08:08):
But I agree Brady, and Brady was really uh. Brady
was a big proponent of that, learning how to fall,
It's true. Remember he used to talk to about Garoppolo.

Speaker 2 (01:08:17):
It's one of the first things they teach you in
like Judo and all those things, how to fall.

Speaker 3 (01:08:21):
Didn't didn't to try to learn how to fall. I
believe it was to a he went like in the
off season. That's all he did all off season was
work with one of those like martial arts people or
something and learn how to fall.

Speaker 6 (01:08:33):
Roll.

Speaker 3 (01:08:33):
Yeah, he doesn't hit his head.

Speaker 2 (01:08:37):
Tell ye, how's that?

Speaker 1 (01:08:37):
Working on it?

Speaker 2 (01:08:39):
So he can run to his heart's delight if he
learns how to fall.

Speaker 4 (01:08:43):
I just think that there are times that you're going
to get hit when you don't know you're gonna get o.
I know, and you're making it very simplis.

Speaker 2 (01:08:48):
Let Drake be Drake.

Speaker 4 (01:08:49):
We all want Drake to be Drake.

Speaker 3 (01:08:51):
I just want Drake to be Drake for seventeen games, yeah, and.

Speaker 4 (01:08:54):
Plus the playoffs.

Speaker 2 (01:08:55):
Right, Let's go to Sam and Easton on the hotline.
What's up, Sam?

Speaker 13 (01:09:01):
Hey, guys, how's it going?

Speaker 1 (01:09:02):
Sam?

Speaker 2 (01:09:02):
Good?

Speaker 15 (01:09:05):
Just a couple of points I wanted to bring up,
so hopefully I don't take up too much time. But
the first of them being free agents out there. I
know we spoke a lot about this over the past
couple of months. But one guy that I've thought a
lot about, Christian Wilkins. I know he's got a huge
contract and he was let go by the Raiders. I'm
wondering if there's some kind of way, you know, you

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could get him to come in and be a really
good rotational piece with the other guys, or if you'd
be in cap hell. I know, we have a lot
of space. It's not going to roll over, So I
don't know, everything looks like the.

Speaker 4 (01:09:40):
Space rolls over. Yeah, he's not under contract at all
right now, he's a free agent. He's not going to
cast you any No one wants him because it's all
kinds of Yeah, there's all kinds of issues there.

Speaker 2 (01:09:53):
I agree.

Speaker 5 (01:09:54):
I mean the player, it's I mean, yeah, I think
he's always been I mean, I think they were really
into him a couple of years ago, right before he
signed with the Raiders, and he seems to fit right.

Speaker 3 (01:10:02):
There's all sorts of locker room, off the field stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:10:05):
Going on with.

Speaker 4 (01:10:07):
Stay Away.

Speaker 2 (01:10:08):
That was a guy during training camp that Rabel mentioned, Yeah,
we'll talk about him.

Speaker 3 (01:10:13):
Ye, And then they found out why he was released.

Speaker 2 (01:10:16):
Brian's and Lowell, what's up Brian.

Speaker 13 (01:10:20):
Hey, what's up guys?

Speaker 1 (01:10:21):
Hey, Brian, I love calling guys every week.

Speaker 13 (01:10:25):
But yeah, the Patriots around dolls have a good game
some day.

Speaker 2 (01:10:30):
It was a great game. Where were you watching the game, Brian,
I'm at home at home with just by yourself.

Speaker 4 (01:10:41):
Oh yeah, I mean pretty much.

Speaker 7 (01:10:42):
I mean, you know, yeah, with you or not games though.

Speaker 2 (01:10:48):
People coming in and out.

Speaker 4 (01:10:49):
Probably dispensary.

Speaker 17 (01:10:53):
Douglas not catch doll.

Speaker 6 (01:10:55):
That was sick.

Speaker 2 (01:10:57):
I was unbelieve. I don't know how he called. I
still don't stand how he caught that ball. When he
caught that ball. Did you come out of your seat?
Oh god, yeah, I was like, I don't think anything
makes this guy.

Speaker 18 (01:11:12):
Yeah, how did you catch that?

Speaker 16 (01:11:14):
Ye?

Speaker 2 (01:11:14):
Take another head, just with his hands, that's how you
do it. That was great, well, Brian, keep keep calling.
Appreciate the call.

Speaker 1 (01:11:23):
Thanks, Brian.

Speaker 2 (01:11:24):
Let's go to dominic in New York.

Speaker 4 (01:11:26):
What's up?

Speaker 2 (01:11:27):
Dominic? Dominic? Dom doma is gone is gone? All right,
that's okay. We got a lot of emails here. I'll
try yell at me. I'd like that, Like, yeah, I like.

Speaker 4 (01:11:43):
It when they're not yelling at Meum.

Speaker 2 (01:11:46):
This talk about the use of Trevion Henderson getting bugging
you or yes, okay.

Speaker 4 (01:11:54):
I'm not gonna lie a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:11:56):
Nick and Boston. I get that Trevian Henderson has not
been blocking well and it's not run patiently. But it's
also true that the way the coaching staff is using
him is bizarre. If you look at his next Gen
Carrie chart, almost every single rush is up the middle.
Against the Saints, he did not have a single rush
outside the tackles. Also, why not line him up out
wide off the line of scrimmage like the Falcons do

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with Bijon and get him the ball in space and
quick hitters. His usage does not fit his profile. So
what do we do here? Because fans are they're fixated
on Trevion Henderson's responsibility.

Speaker 4 (01:12:31):
I agree we hyped him too much in training camp?

Speaker 1 (01:12:33):
Did we did?

Speaker 4 (01:12:34):
We felt?

Speaker 5 (01:12:36):
I don't know if he hyped him too much, but
we talked about him a lot because he looked good
in training camp, and I think, as you find with
even some of the players, that once she gets to
a regular season.

Speaker 4 (01:12:45):
It's not the only thing on that email that I
would strongly agree with, is I would. I am a
little surprised they haven't tried to do much with him
in the passing game, like like what he's talking about
getting him out wide like Bijon Robinson. I do think
he could be a matchup nightmare.

Speaker 2 (01:13:01):
But did you see the wheels on Beijon Robinson last night?

Speaker 3 (01:13:06):
I mean Jamier Gibbs was Jami Gibbs, same, same, I
means fantastic.

Speaker 4 (01:13:15):
Gibbs has just done it for for longer.

Speaker 1 (01:13:17):
Last week, next week.

Speaker 4 (01:13:18):
Bjon Henderson has not played well and that's why I
think that he's fighting it a little bit. And I
think his usage was down, you know, probably right.

Speaker 5 (01:13:31):
And I mean it sounded to me like it looked
like Rimandre was getting rolling and we said, let's let's
let him roll.

Speaker 4 (01:13:36):
But I also think that some of the role that
they envisioned for Henderson was, you know, as a passing back,
is the third down guy, and Stevenson's better at it.
He's better at blocking than than Henderson has been. And
I think that's cut into some of his snaps as
a result.

Speaker 5 (01:13:51):
Last week just highlighted even more that you're not he
can barely make it with two guys.

Speaker 1 (01:13:55):
You're not going to make it with just Remond or something.

Speaker 3 (01:13:58):
I don't Yeah, I agree with the email or that
I am also surprised that they haven't flexed them out
a little bit or ran them on more wheel routes
and like things like that out of the backfield. But
the rushing chart thing like this is also going up
my backside because like they're running outside zone with him
in the game and the run reads is just taking

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him into the middle of the field, like they're trying
to get the ball off tackle with him in the game. Now,
like I guess maybe they could toss it out to
him and really get him out on the edge by
doing that, but like it's not They're not running half
back dive.

Speaker 4 (01:14:32):
Up the middle with Trayvon Henderson.

Speaker 3 (01:14:34):
It's just it happens that when he's been on the
field that those runs are you know, he has a read,
you know, do I bounce this or do I cut
it back up? And the Reds have been taking him
into the teeth of the defense.

Speaker 4 (01:14:46):
And that's just the way that it's one of the
real real quick Freddy, is what offensively you've been disappointed with.

Speaker 2 (01:14:54):
Over the last And so that was the next thing.

Speaker 4 (01:14:56):
Yeah, like whatever they're doing, I mean, we talked about
this struggling to run the football. He was part of
the struggles running the football. They gave the carries to
one guy this week and whatever. Maybe it's because they
went with a light box. Maybe it was because Tennessee
is just not good. They're not Stevenson ran really well

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and the offense did really well again for whatever, the
fourth fifth week in.

Speaker 2 (01:15:22):
A row, Austin and Oklahoma. I think he has the
answer to your thing, Paul. Why a little mixed up?
You're thinking of a lot mixed adjusted completion percentage. Drake
may had an adjusted this.

Speaker 4 (01:15:39):
I told you, I'm probably screwing up the stats. Yeah,
thank you, thank you. Emailer. Adjusted.

Speaker 3 (01:15:44):
Yeah, that's different that like accounts for like drops and
things like that.

Speaker 4 (01:15:48):
That's what That's what I thought. And I was just
trying to figure out based on the two wing completions,
which one of them was supposed to have been caught. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:16:00):
Carl in Salt Lake City thinks that Josh McDaniels might
be intentionally keeping plays of Henderson off the tape early
in the season, saving those watching lace.

Speaker 4 (01:16:11):
Like Stevens, Like, I just don't, I just don't get it,
Like you preface that perfectly, Freddie, is this notting to
be things. It's starting to bother you a little bit
a little bit. Can we just say that's had nine snaps? Yeah,
and so like should we have an as to why
I think he had ten snaps? Actually, but do we
have an inquiry or as to why they're not getting

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him involved? It's coming like, please, like he hasn't played well.
It's not like an indictment of the pick. It's not
an indictment of him, like he hasn't played well. He's
played seven games as a pro.

Speaker 5 (01:16:45):
I just keep coming back to James White and him having,
you know, a red shirt year, and even his second
year wasn't all that great, and then you know that
third year he becomes the guy. So you just have
to be a little patient. But again I blame us
for hyping him up. And I mean, I don't really
want to say that's that negative because he did look
really good. It wasn't like we were making it up.
But it's a lot different once you get into realize.

Speaker 4 (01:17:06):
Like I said, I am surprised they haven't tried to
target a linebacker a little bit more in the passing game.
But they've given him opportunities to run the ball. They've
given them opportunities to be in pass protection. They've given
him opportunities to do the things that he supposedly does well,
and he hasn't done a lot of them.

Speaker 2 (01:17:23):
Well, yeah, Darius and Louisville. I have a couple of
things to get off my chest. First, I'm so sick
and tired of hearing about an easier soft schedule. We
lost thirteen games the last two seasons, and most of
them were against bad teams. Now that we're actually winning
these games, people want to talk about how easy the
schedule is. Stop it.

Speaker 4 (01:17:42):
That took longer than I thought.

Speaker 2 (01:17:43):
Secondly, I kind of wanted to defend Pop. If he's
running full speed wide open, shouldn't be the throw in
front of him wide open? Shouldn't the throw be in
front of him for his run after catch instead of
stopping his full momentum to sit down. And Lastly, I
don't review the film or any thing, but from the
naked eye, it seems like they are using Edison the
wrong way. Okay, the wrong way on.

Speaker 3 (01:18:05):
The Pop one, you run it the way the quarterback
wants it to be run. And that's just universal across
any quarterback, any team, any real really, any level. Like
if Drake May wants you to just sit. Then you
right like it's really.

Speaker 4 (01:18:21):
If there are rules for route running and for a
quarterback play, you need to follow them. And if they're
in a certain coverage that dictates you run the route
in a certain way and you don't do it. The
quarterback can't wait and say he's supposed to do this,
but he's not doing it. I'm going to adjust and
throw it this way. You can't do that. You have
to see the same time, especially in a fourth down

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play where it's a quick obviously a quick hitter that
was supposed to be very fast.

Speaker 3 (01:18:44):
See and it's it's didn't cost him this week, but
it's good in January or wild and it doesn't the
schedule thing.

Speaker 4 (01:18:54):
Yes, they've lost to bad teams. They've made This is
what Mike Rabel talked about. We want to be in
position where we could take advantage of bad football. And
they've made progress from the last two years to this
year to be able to take advantage of bad football.
Don't get your panties in a bunch that people are
saying it's a bad schedule. It's the single worst schedule
since the league expanded to sixteen games. In nineteen seventy eight. Statistically,

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it's the single worst schedule, so you can say that
they did They had easy schedules the last year, not
as easy as this. Don't like why why do we
have to be upset about being five and two? Why?

Speaker 6 (01:19:29):
Like?

Speaker 4 (01:19:29):
Why do we do this?

Speaker 2 (01:19:31):
Cody in Indiana, I freaking love Brian and Lowell. He
calls in every week and all he asks, so how
about the game never change? Brian? You ought to be
a Patriots beat writer with such hard hitting questions.

Speaker 4 (01:19:42):
Ooh wow, wow.

Speaker 1 (01:19:46):
Brian, And it's at the bottom.

Speaker 5 (01:19:47):
I was watching these games with I don't know that
was suspect that it was mysterious, what it was somebody?

Speaker 4 (01:19:53):
Well, you're not ready to commit fully whether or not
I watched with somebody else.

Speaker 3 (01:19:57):
DNA my own predident signs that I might have been
side piece.

Speaker 4 (01:20:02):
We don't want to blow strong, show continued. You don't
want to tell he's.

Speaker 1 (01:20:07):
Like, I'm married, Jill, Brien Lowell. I didn't watch it, not.

Speaker 4 (01:20:09):
That I would know. You know, you know, maybe his
wife is listening and all of a sudden.

Speaker 1 (01:20:13):
The whole family loves the show.

Speaker 4 (01:20:15):
Who was he watching the game? I wasn't I wasn't
with him.

Speaker 1 (01:20:18):
Right, we'll get next week when he called picking up,
I like it.

Speaker 2 (01:20:23):
Back to the phones Ivans in California.

Speaker 13 (01:20:25):
Hey, Ivan, Hey gents, how are we doing today?

Speaker 2 (01:20:29):
Okay?

Speaker 4 (01:20:29):
Great playoffs?

Speaker 13 (01:20:35):
Yes, I wanted to weigh in on the culture versus
winning thing, and then I got a question on the
line to me, without a good culture, you don't win,
right and Rabel what he brought instantly was the credibility
of being a great player or a next player at
a high level, coaching at a high level, picking his

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own staff, which is including Josh McDaniels, which some of
this narrative out there that Josh was forced upon him
as such bs because he already made the comment that
he spoke with Josh many times over the last year.
And you know, we're seeing the results of that now.
Of course, you've got to bring in the right players
to execute on your vision, and I think that that's

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where the rest of the the staff and the team
has come together on that. So I think we're seeing that,
which is a big difference to where we where we've
been the last couple of years. So the question I
have on the ol on the on line, though, is
an all on deference to Evan They do great stuff.
And I'm not a stat geek. I let my eye

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see what I see. And Jared Wilson's really struggling. I
know he's a rookie. At the same time, we keep
saying that he might be, you know, better off at
a center, and we've got Bradbury there. Just wondering if
Bradbury's starting to come back to what we thought he
would be when we first signed him. And I mean,
what do you guys think that we could do. I mean,

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do we put is it too early or too late?
Not too late, but too early to put Wilson at center?
Maybe put Brown in a guard and ride it that way.
I'll take it off the air. Thanks, guys.

Speaker 3 (01:22:08):
I think it's too late to change two positions, and
with the quarterback playing as well as he is, changing
his center is not something I'd be interested in doing.

Speaker 2 (01:22:17):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:22:18):
The Wilson to Ben Brown, that was something I was
talking about last week. I mean, this has been brewing
now to Jared Wilson's defense on Vermandre's sixteen yard run.
He made one of the best run blocks I've seen
the Patriot make all year. So there are flashes of
him playing as well podcast. But at the same time,

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the pass protection, the physicality, the power, and the run
game isn't all there for him yet at guard especially,
so it's hard for him to dig out bigger run stuffing,
defensive tackles and things like that.

Speaker 4 (01:22:54):
I get it.

Speaker 3 (01:22:54):
I think that there is a case. And I go
back to twenty twenty one when they put Ted Carrey
in the starting lineup for Mike on whn WHU, like
on when who had a much higher ceiling and was
the future on the line. But that line just fit
better with Ted Carris instead of on Wenu. It just
the five men just came to be together better with

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teddy K. So could that be the case with Ben
Brown instead of Jared Wilson. Maybe, But it doesn't seem
like they're really rushing to make that move. But I
would not change two positions. I think once you start
doing that is when it's a house of cards and
you start getting yourself in trouble.

Speaker 5 (01:23:34):
Yeah, that's a good point, Just to the culture point.
I think at some point Vrabel said you don't really
know what your culture is until you have adversity, and
so it's easy to say they have great culture right
now when they're on a heater and they're winning. But
you know, I think it speaks more to the bounce
back after the Pittsburgh game that Brabel's pointed back to,
is like, you know, to have a bad game like
that and to see us bounce back, you know, we'll

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see what kind of culture they have.

Speaker 1 (01:23:56):
I mean, I believe in it.

Speaker 5 (01:23:57):
I'm not trying to poo poo it, but I just
think until you have a game like you know, like
Bigger Mayfield last night, you know, like MVP guy has
kind of a down game, do you bounce back? Are
you able to put a back? Because they happen all
the time and the whole in the NFL.

Speaker 4 (01:24:11):
The whole culture thing, and it's definitely relevant with this team.
I think we talked about it in the first hour.
You can see a difference. We've been around this team
for the last few years and you can see the difference.
Mike made the point of when the losses started to
pile up as opposed to now when the winds are
partly on it, you can see the difference and the
mentality and the demeanor Evan talked about, you know, their

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demeanor on the road even has noticeably changed. But Philadelphia
doesn't have good chemistry right now. They don't have a
good culture right now. And if there's still finding ways
to win for the most part now, maybe they'll iron
it out. They did it last year. They looked like
Sirianna could get fired any week last year, and all
of a sudden they never lost again. So it can

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be fleeting and you can lose it and recapture it
when you have the talent that Philadelphia has. This team
I think is going to need to maintain this kind
of culture because I don't think they have as much
base talent to fall back on if there starts to
be some infighting. Douglas's comment about you know, he's funny
because he's only been around three years, but like never

(01:25:18):
been on a team with the offense and defense get
along as well as this team does, right, I think
that's part of it. I think Ivan's right. I think
that's part of the success.

Speaker 2 (01:25:28):
Brian's and Georgia. Hey, Brian, Georgia, Brian, Hey, are you
on the midnight train? Oh?

Speaker 4 (01:25:38):
I see what you did that?

Speaker 16 (01:25:40):
Hey guys, I gotta do it all right? So I
was having a question, do y'all remember the team that
was hot in like six six and oh seven, oh,
a couple of years ago with Brady. You had to
brigie me in on it. Yeah, and that schedule was easy, easy,
and we was drinking the kool ai. And when you

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ran into the Ravens, yep, okay, do y'all see that's
a little bit of comparison to this. I know this
team is hot and I love drinke May And do
you think when we run into Lions, Ravens, chiefs and
coat it could look like that?

Speaker 2 (01:26:18):
It could? It could. But remember the whole boogeyman thing
was the defense. Back then, If I recall, the defense
was kind of getting a little ahead of themselveswhere well
they were just in fact, a lot of guys in
the locker room didn't like that.

Speaker 1 (01:26:30):
Yeah they were. They were dominanting guys.

Speaker 4 (01:26:33):
They were dominant defense.

Speaker 16 (01:26:35):
The offense is smoking and this one the defense is.

Speaker 1 (01:26:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:26:40):
Listen, Brian, I'm very eager to see what it looks
like when we played Tampa Bay. And you know, when
if Lamar comes back and we play the Ravens and
some of these better teams, when we play the Bills
the second time, I know that's down the road.

Speaker 4 (01:26:56):
But like how they did. It's even Cincinnati, And I
know Flacco's no great shakes, but when those receivers, he
just showed you they can score points.

Speaker 2 (01:27:06):
Atlanta's got a lot of weapons.

Speaker 4 (01:27:08):
And Atlanta's very inconsistent offensively. If you catch them in
a week that they're you know, like last week, they
look like they'd never moved the ball before the week before,
they couldn't be stopped.

Speaker 5 (01:27:16):
The key difference for me is that you were a Tanks, Brian,
then you were a team that had the end of
Tom Brady and you were trying to squeeze Super Bowls
out and it was Super Bowl or bust. And you know,
I just maybe it's a bad example, but like how
much easier or how much harder.

Speaker 1 (01:27:29):
Is the Jets schedule than the Patriots.

Speaker 5 (01:27:30):
I mean they're probably what they have three different three
different opponents that sport, so it's pretty.

Speaker 4 (01:27:35):
Much the same.

Speaker 5 (01:27:36):
Now, the easiest schedules in the league, and that hasn't
had they haven't won a game yet. So now you're
talking about Aaron Glenn, not building a culture, not having
any kind of program, not having any kind of belief.

Speaker 1 (01:27:47):
But now on the other side of the corner.

Speaker 4 (01:27:48):
You have Mike Rabel and we are talking about what
Johnson said, if they could complete a pass, it would
look I'm not making that up. I just I'm not
looking this.

Speaker 5 (01:27:56):
Year as saying we got to get a super Bowl
this year because time is running out.

Speaker 1 (01:27:59):
I'm looking as this is year one.

Speaker 5 (01:28:02):
Of a completely new regime, and to look at it
seven games in and say we have belief, we have
buy in, we have the startings of a new program.
Despite the easy schedule, I don't really care. Like this
is they need wins, they need to stack confidence and belief. Meanwhile,
the Jets are facing a similar schedule and they can't
get out of their own way. So you know, it
just it doesn't necessarily mean, oh, you have an easy schedule.

Speaker 4 (01:28:21):
The difference between having a quarterback and not.

Speaker 2 (01:28:23):
And I know that statistically this might be the easiest.
But last year they played a lot of bad teams,
and like the emailers said, they didn't win those games. No,
they couldn't beat them easy ten three.

Speaker 4 (01:28:35):
You know, they beat some of them. Then they lost
to some of them too. This year they've only lost
one of those games. Now, the one thing that I
would say to Mike that I'd strongly agree with. There
is like the whole nineteen thing. Yeah, when they played
better teams, they lost, and that was an indication that
you weren't going to be good enough to win the
super Bowl. And that was not good enough given that

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were at that time. Right, if it turns out that
you play let's just say, for argument's sake, it's worst
case scenario, you lose to Atlanta, Tampa, Baltimore, Cincinnati, and Buffalo.
Worst case scenario you lose all five of those games. Yes,
it'll be extremely disappointing that we haven't progressed as maybe
as far as we all thought. But that's not gonna

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like and the like. It's not going to close the book.
The twenty nineteen season was it was clear that's this
is it one last rodeo. Tom's leaving, that's our window.
We're done for now. This is gonna be Okay, we're
not quite ready to be that kind of a playoff team,
but we can still win ten games, make the playoffs,
and you know, be frisky when we get in the playoffs.

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The arrow's point up, we're still gonna be gonna be
even better next year. You can look at it that
your building.

Speaker 2 (01:29:44):
They were coming off a super Bowl going this way.
We're coming off four wins and going this way.

Speaker 4 (01:29:49):
Even if you lose all those games against the supposedly
the supposedly tough team.

Speaker 5 (01:29:53):
And even if the season ends exactly the same way
as nineteen, you lose a home playoff game in a
tight game to you know, a good team like well.

Speaker 4 (01:30:00):
I'm not even saying the home playoff game. If you
lose all five of those games, you ain't getting a
home playoff game. But even if it's.

Speaker 5 (01:30:08):
Completely different feeling afterwards where we just wanted a home
even if you don't make.

Speaker 4 (01:30:11):
The playoffs, for you for whatever reason, let's say let's
say you lose to one of the teams that you
don't expect to lose. You lose to Cleveland, so you
go nine to eight, you don't make the playoffs. I
still think the arrow would be putting. It would be disappointing.
I'm not trying to be like, oh, listen to the
team broadcast telling everybody you know, it's okay, No, it
wouldn't be. Will we upset? Will come Mike and I
will do postgame shows and we'll you know, be red

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faced and annoyed that they let an opportunity to slip away.
But I think the bottom line would be the future
is bright.

Speaker 2 (01:30:40):
Yeah yeah, speaking of the future. Eldred's in North Carolina.
What's up? Aldred?

Speaker 18 (01:30:50):
Hey been doing it with.

Speaker 6 (01:31:02):
Trained?

Speaker 2 (01:31:03):
Somebody almost merged into my lane today. I was so mad. Anyway,
go ahead, al, go.

Speaker 18 (01:31:10):
Ahead, n I get it.

Speaker 19 (01:31:12):
Other Mike, this should across me. Get to the day
it makes it and I'd be hunky own and didn't.

Speaker 15 (01:31:17):
Doing it too.

Speaker 19 (01:31:18):
But yes, sir, there's two there's two things that never
come out of celebrating this week, one of the Panthers
and another Drake mate. It's all they're talking about. Now, Okay,
take your flowers, buddy, take your flowers, buddy.

Speaker 4 (01:31:32):
Sure, I guess they can.

Speaker 3 (01:31:34):
They can share in the excitement about Drake May and Ie,
uh yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:31:39):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:31:39):
I mean why shouldn't like the whole state just gets
to claim him, like I.

Speaker 2 (01:31:44):
Don't know, just why he went to the college.

Speaker 4 (01:31:48):
I mean he's like yeah like that. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:31:52):
It's like it's like a jet like has a big
NBA career. We can just claim him and you.

Speaker 2 (01:31:57):
Know, like if if you know you did something right,
I think Needham would be right behind you.

Speaker 3 (01:32:02):
No, No, like Allan Raisman.

Speaker 8 (01:32:05):
Yeah, yeah, I only stayed fifteen miles from his house.

Speaker 19 (01:32:11):
I know the school, he went through, the neighborhood. I'm
around that area. So everybody's still I.

Speaker 3 (01:32:16):
Know, I'm just teasing. I'm just teasing.

Speaker 2 (01:32:18):
That's great.

Speaker 6 (01:32:19):
I love it.

Speaker 19 (01:32:20):
Cool, but that's cool.

Speaker 16 (01:32:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 19 (01:32:22):
Yeah, but my question is that, Okay, I'm like, I'm
not getting back up to that defense. Offense, a little
bit worried, but that defense. I mean, I know Doug
half to stop, but the first half kids the hell
out of me. That's what I'm wondering. So what can
they do to tighten it up? Get better or better player?

Speaker 2 (01:32:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 18 (01:32:44):
I take it off there, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:32:46):
Thanks. You know, it's funny because I think in New
Orleans that first play, I think they tried to do
something on defense to kind of stem that fired on them,
and it backfired. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:32:59):
Like I said earlier, because I agree with you, Fred,
I think they tried to pull a fast one on
New Orleans to try to get a good play early,
because they keep saying that once they make a play,
they start to rally around that and they start to
get the energy and get going. But I think they
played pretty vanilla early in these games. And again, I

(01:33:19):
don't know if that's by design. I don't know if
they would admit that it's by design, even it was
by design, but they kind of just come out in
their base defense and their base schemes and do what
they do. And you know, then once they kind of
like let the other team empty the clip of like
all of the game plan scripted plays, right, and then
they're like, all right, like you got your little throwback

(01:33:41):
off the boot, you know, out of your system, like
now let's play for.

Speaker 2 (01:33:44):
The problem with some of the better teams is their
clip is a lot bigger, right and doesn't necessarily concern
and then question for you, there's.

Speaker 3 (01:33:54):
Something growing a little bit, there's something maybe it was
garbage time, so I don't want to put some much
on it.

Speaker 5 (01:34:00):
Like his size, his movement skill, like he just I
don't know, he looks he looks the part to me,
and I mean twenty snaps nothing, you know, that's our
running joke now on the postgame show, how much did
Marty map WHU play? But you know, just as they
consider to explore options, he.

Speaker 1 (01:34:15):
Just I don't know. I think he's doing pretty good job.

Speaker 3 (01:34:17):
Yeah, I do wonder if you know, is there a
third down roll for him where, you know, maybe you
do take a Splane or an Ellis or someone like
that off the field and get a more athletic coverage
linebacker converted safety that has a little bit more skill
and coverage to defend in some of those situations. I mean,

(01:34:37):
they've been pretty good and third and like medium plus
like so it's not like it's been a problem, but
their early down defense has really been where the problem
has numbers.

Speaker 1 (01:34:46):
You want to share this, I want to.

Speaker 5 (01:34:48):
I want to share this now because Paul made fun
of me. But I don't think I need Evan to
tell me I'm dumb. If Evan tells me I'm dumb,
I don't know that this.

Speaker 2 (01:34:55):
Is the pen with the multiple old school multicolor.

Speaker 4 (01:35:01):
Yeah, I didn't tell you it was dumb.

Speaker 1 (01:35:03):
No, no, no, not dumb. But you know he's dumb.

Speaker 2 (01:35:07):
They were talking EPA on the Patriots defense. All right.

Speaker 5 (01:35:09):
So first of all, I gotta say I didn't say
this to you Paul on the show, but they're tenth
in ep on first down, all right, So tenth, so
they're a very good first down defense. Now the breakdown
though that I had, and I'm gonna try to make
these as digestible as possible because nobody wants this.

Speaker 3 (01:35:22):
Don't use the numbers, to use the rankings. It's much
easier that way.

Speaker 5 (01:35:24):
Okay, So I'm talking about the difference second and third
down short to mid so second and third down one
to six yards versus third down, second and third down
and long. All right, So I'm already second and third
down one to six yards, they're the thirtieth ranked defense
in the league. So second and third down one to

(01:35:45):
six yards, so short to middle back that up to
second and third down and long they're sixth. So and
we've talked a lot about the circumstantial, like oh, they
got a holding call that made it second and long.
So just from these numbers that I was nerding out on,
it's just like a point to a weird thing of
when it's long distance, like, no problem, we're going to cover,
we're going to get after the quarterback. But when it's

(01:36:05):
short and medium on second and third down, they're not very.

Speaker 2 (01:36:09):
Good that speed in the middle.

Speaker 1 (01:36:11):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:36:12):
I mean, that's what that's what the debate is.

Speaker 3 (01:36:14):
Yeah, So they're eighteenth and early down EPA, first and
second down EPA they're ninth and third down EPA. And
I think the big thing, you know, looking at the
discrepancy is you know that they stopped the run really well,
but on early downs they're getting killed by passes.

Speaker 4 (01:36:30):
And I just I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:36:32):
Why the early down defense is not stopping the pass well,
but it's not. And so that that's just statistically what
it is.

Speaker 2 (01:36:40):
Let's look at the style. You know, are they giving
too much cushion, you know, are they not pressing enough?

Speaker 3 (01:36:49):
Well, that's the other thing that's like I think concerning
is right now, statistically they're one of the worst man
coverage defenses in football. And that was supposed to be
their calling card, was supposed to be how they were built.
And I think what you know, the issues that you're
seeing are the linebacker in safety play in the middle
of the field, either not supporting the man coverage defenders

(01:37:10):
with help like the Marcus Jones example that we were
talking about earlier, or they're getting isolated in man coverage
on the safeties and linebackers and then they're picking on
those guys in man to man coverage. So either way
you look at it, I do think it stems from
the middle of the field. And I know that there's
been some criticism of Carlon Davis and maybe a little
bit less so, but even you know, Gonzales should not

(01:37:32):
be giving up third down completions to Van Jefferson. Okay,
no disrespect to Van Jefferson, but Carlton Christian Gonzalez is
a much much better player than Van Jefferson. But those
two guys really are not giving up a lot of yardage,
you know, they really aren't. So's it's coming in the
middle of the field. And you know that that is

(01:37:54):
if you're looking at personnel and you're looking, you know,
into next offseason or even the trade deadline, like getting
more dynamic pass game players at linebacker and safety has
got to be where you start.

Speaker 5 (01:38:06):
One more follow up on this kind of related would
you say now that Christian Ellis is less a starter
and it's more rotational spot next to Spelene.

Speaker 1 (01:38:14):
Because it just doesn't. It doesn't.

Speaker 5 (01:38:16):
It seems to me like it's a rotation now and
Gibbons is going to get in there, and Devia's gonna.

Speaker 1 (01:38:20):
Play a little bit in the three linebacker stuff.

Speaker 5 (01:38:22):
But you know, at the start of the season, it
felt like it was Ellis and Spoleaine our two guys,
and then when he Elis won play so good, it
felt like, all right, let's let's get another guy in there.
But now to me, it just seems like it's kind
of a rotational spot, which is probably a little bit
of an indictment of what you're doing.

Speaker 3 (01:38:36):
Yeah, and like I think that they've slightly upgraded Bentley
to Spolaine in terms of coverage, but it's still not
his strong suits. So, like we were talking earlier about
the crosser that was one of the better throws that
cam Ward made. I mean, like a better coverage linebacker,
does he like squeeze that throat? Does he get a
hand on it? Like, I don't know, And I know

(01:38:57):
that's nitpicky, but like these are the play that they're
giving up. They're giving up bombs on post routes, they're
giving up crossers over the middle of the field. They're
giving up in breaking routes you know from the outside,
slants and skinny posts and things like that. Like they're
not giving up go routes. They're not giving up things
to the outside. Because gun Zalaz and Davis are there,

(01:39:21):
so like it's all this other stuff that is hurting
them in the NFL.

Speaker 2 (01:39:26):
Do you kind of have to give up something now?

Speaker 5 (01:39:29):
In a question, fre I kind of feel like a
little bit with that of, Look, we know that this
guy might not be great in coverage, but he's going
to be super reliable against the run.

Speaker 1 (01:39:36):
He's gonna, you know, know, where to be. Like, I
hear what you're saying.

Speaker 4 (01:39:39):
If you have good offense like the Patriots have had
so far, their defenses is good enough, Yeah, it'll be fine. Like,
I don't think there's any I agree with Fred, just
like piggybacking a little bit, you know, Mike, I think
got defensive because I was like, so, let me get
this straight. If it's third in the Patriots defense can

(01:40:01):
be okay. If it's if it's second and short, not
so much. Now. I get what Mike is saying. It's
relative because everybody's third and long and they're really good.
Everybody's second and short and they're really bad. I get
what Mike is saying. I understand the numbers. I would
just say anecdotally, without you know, breaking down tape and whatnot,
I think this is a team that conventionally doesn't get

(01:40:24):
a lot of pressure front four without doing stuff. So
it just stands to reason that when it's third and
long they get pressure. They can get some pressure because
they can dial it up a little bit. They know
when they know what's coming. I think they've been better.
Now again that's still relative. Everybody else knows what's coming too,
and they're better than would you say, sixth on third
and long. So they're better than everybody else on third

(01:40:46):
and long.

Speaker 3 (01:40:46):
I mean they're ninth on third down in general. And
to that point I put this in after further review
as well. They're playing a lot of man free, which
is just man to man with one single high safety
in the middle of the field. So there's nobody at
the second level that's a help defender. There's no robber
at the second level of the defense. And the reason
why they're doing that is because they're blitzing because to

(01:41:08):
Paul's point, they don't feel confident in the four man
pass rush getting home. So now this is the dilemma
is like, do you take the robber and you drop
the robber? Well, now you only have a four man
pass rush, or you can put the robber in the rush,
and now you have a five man pass rush, so
you have to decide where are you gonna put the numbers,
and without that butt person in the middle of the field,

(01:41:29):
like Van Jefferson third and three, he just runs a
slant right into the middle of the open field and
there's nobody inside to help Gonzales, so he just gets beat.
Carl And Davis got beat on the same exact route
by Rashid Shaheed the week before, and so it's just
that's it.

Speaker 4 (01:41:45):
And when we're talking about some of this stuff, and
by the way, Vrabel mentioned some of these things on Monday.
You know, have to bet early in games on early downs,
and specifically he said we need to generate pressure on
early downs. We're not and that sort of speaks to
that a little bit. But I also would say that

(01:42:05):
part of it is when you're third and long with
the offenses that they that they've been playing, you might
as well punt. The Tennessee Titans aren't converting third and elevens, right,
you know, the Carolina Panthers aren't.

Speaker 1 (01:42:19):
It's a good point.

Speaker 4 (01:42:19):
They need to be ahead of the chains. Their offenses
are so limited. We're talking about thirty ranked thirty first ranked,
thirty second ranked. They can't be third and long. They
can't overcome that. The biggest difference between the Patriots offense
the past two years and this year is it's not
time to punt when it's third and long for the
Patriots anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:42:38):
That's right.

Speaker 4 (01:42:39):
They've been able to convert some of those preach.

Speaker 1 (01:42:41):
Yeah, that's a great and I just so.

Speaker 4 (01:42:43):
That's obviously going to make you numbers better when you're
playing these terrible offenses, and then you when you are
able to get them behind to your your point, you
get a holding call. That's the end, right, because they
can't overcome that, right, or even.

Speaker 1 (01:42:54):
A false start for five killed.

Speaker 5 (01:42:56):
But Paul, I'm glad you brought that up because this
was another point I kind of came out of my
little nerd review that the pass rush hasn't been that
great and I think we all kind of look at
Barmore looks really good. Williams has gotten some pressures in
some key spots, I mean.

Speaker 4 (01:43:10):
Numbers and you just see like they had five sacks
in the game. But the overall.

Speaker 1 (01:43:13):
Pressure it has not been that great this year. And
that's I think, is it?

Speaker 5 (01:43:17):
Maybe that's I'm glad you brought that up there, and
when they got it it was after that twenty point
twenty one point blitz.

Speaker 4 (01:43:25):
They really you know, I mean, I think Chase I
had a pretty good game. Ye yeah, you know, to
be honest with you, I thought he had a couple
of good pressures in the game.

Speaker 2 (01:43:32):
But I thought they I thought, you know, maybe it's
the tape that they saw of Williams and Barmore. But
I thought, uh, the Titans were kind of ready for
that pressure, and they were coaching cam Ward deep drops,
move out of the pocket, and a lot of times
he had plenty of time because he wasn't even near with.

Speaker 4 (01:43:49):
Certainly in the first half. Yeah, he had all he
had all day.

Speaker 3 (01:43:52):
Well, they rolled him on the on the throwback play.
But I wonder, like if you so, It's it's all
about numbers, right, Like, if you put six guys in coverage,
you have five in the rush. Who puts seven in coverage,
you have four in the rush. If they put seven
in coverage and they have they played more robber where
they have one high safety with the robber at the sticks,
and that allows these man coverage defenders. In theory, the

(01:44:15):
quarterback has to hold the ball longer, right, because it's
not the coverage is going to be tighter, and that's
how you like, That's always the dilemma is like is
it pass rush or is it coverage? And I just
wonder with this team, with Gonzales Davis and Marcus Jones
being as good as they are in man coverage, if
you just give all the resources to the coverage and
say we are just gonna lock teams down eventually, I

(01:44:38):
feel like Landry Chase on, Milton Williams and Barmore are
gonna get home. Like it might not be instant pressure
like it would be if you, you know, try to
dial it up or whatever with blitzes, but if you
give them three seconds to get to the quarterback, then
I think more times than not then they're going to
cause pressure and cause disruption. So I just wonder if

(01:44:58):
that that's, you know, they'd start to try to change
up their man schemes because like they're literally dead last
and EPA and man coverage. That shouldn't happen with the
personnel they have.

Speaker 2 (01:45:08):
Franklin and Baltimore rates. And I've been watching the postgame
locker room reactions and I got to say this is
the most bought in I've seen a Patriots team in
a while. I don't even think the twenty eighteen squad
with its Super Bowl win was as bought in, which
I know is a crazy thing to say since they
locked in during the playoffs. But Rabel has an approach
that's similar to Dan Campbell, where the player coach mentality

(01:45:31):
is married to a modern approach to analytics. If it
wasn't for Stiching, Rabel would be the front runner for
Coach of the Year.

Speaker 4 (01:45:39):
So you're not crazy on the twenty eighteen comparison because
that team clearly, you know, toge, we knew it going
through it, but it was confirmed with the documentary. They
didn't like each other, they didn't like what was going on.
There was a lot of dissension in that team. It's
another example of like, you can win even if you
don't have good culture if you have enough talent. But yeah, no,

(01:46:00):
there's no question this team is bought in. It's absolutely body.
The Dan Campbell thing is is fascinating to me.

Speaker 5 (01:46:07):
I was thinking about you the other night, watching the
lines a little last night about yeah, because this does it,
because that's what you're worried about. Like back Johnson leaves
and the offenses. You know, but but this is what
I was thinking actually, And I'm sorry to cut you off,
because I was literally thinking about you last night when
I was watching this.

Speaker 3 (01:46:21):
That's nice, you know, but it's like I was thinking about.

Speaker 5 (01:46:23):
You know, it's like you get things up and running
and like the system is, you know, but once you
have to start changing out parts, is that when it starts.
Because all these guys were coached by Ben Johnson, they
were you know, the energy was kind of and so they're.

Speaker 2 (01:46:37):
Able to continue that a little bit.

Speaker 5 (01:46:38):
But as you start to get farther away, is this when,
right now we got to put a guy in and
a key role that hasn't really played, and now it's
going to start to get even more difficult.

Speaker 1 (01:46:46):
But I was thinking about that last night.

Speaker 3 (01:46:48):
They still look by the way, the offense that leads
the league in explosive plays Chicago bears Johnson. But yeah,
they they they the former play model, the Dan Campbell,
the Mike Rabel with the analytical whiz kid sidekick is

(01:47:09):
like my new favorite, like brain trust, Like normally you
know me, like I like the type hands right, like
I would hire Ben Johnson ten times out of ten.
But there's something to be said for the guy that's
played and Ben in the room and Ben in their
shoes and has that kind of bravado about him that
Rabel and Dan Campbell has. But then they're complimented by

(01:47:32):
stretch by, you know, people like that that can help
them with the nerd side of things.

Speaker 4 (01:47:37):
And just hearing yesterday.

Speaker 3 (01:47:38):
With Rabel with Cleveland coming up, and obviously he spent
the year last year with the Browns and talking a
little bit about adopting more analytics and like how the
Patriots have approached that and learning some of the things
from Cleveland, and it's been cool how open he is
to that side of things because not a lot of
former players turned coaches are that.

Speaker 2 (01:47:59):
That's do you want to hear embracing things that are
bad about PU think about us?

Speaker 1 (01:48:05):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:48:05):
I love the this is Isaac from Westfield says the
first thing, well, he says that these are things you
absolutely need to change. First, Patty from Agawam, this guy
is the most boring multos Schlept to ever call in.
Why do you consistently answer his calls as if we care?
It's his birthday? And then he went to training camp
once two the return from practice in locker room music,

(01:48:28):
whose brilliant idea was this? I want to die of
cringe every time I hear this.

Speaker 4 (01:48:32):
That's one of the best parts.

Speaker 2 (01:48:34):
Well, this is.

Speaker 4 (01:48:34):
All violent disagreement with that the sponsors.

Speaker 2 (01:48:38):
If I hear one more back to back, your father
and I would like you to stop asking us for
money in that smug FedEx voice, I'm gonna go insane
and bront workwear enough Fred, How much are these guys paying?
You get some new sponsors for Fred's lack of knowledge
with the current NFL landscape. Now, we all love Fred
and his good vies, but holy crap, does he.

Speaker 4 (01:49:00):
Even watch I will not stand for that.

Speaker 2 (01:49:02):
It's gonna be a bit about how many times he
butcher's player's name, what team a player is on, how
long they've been out of the league, et cetera. Can
somebody explain his job? Is he more of a producer
and more of a ViBe's guide? Who used to follow
the team? Five Christian in La So? Was he a troll?
Was it all a bit? He's slowly becoming somewhat normal

(01:49:23):
and you've let him off the hook without acknowledging it.
Six press conferences. If we wanted to hear Mike Vrabel
pretend he's not an alpha male a hole personality for
thirty seconds every week by kissing Karen Kregians. But we
tune in live on the radio or watch on YouTube.
Cut those boring filler segments from the show. If you
have any integrity, you will read this on air.

Speaker 4 (01:49:46):
Oh wow, the challenge job. Yeah, and I didn't even
know you put that in the end.

Speaker 2 (01:49:50):
I read it anyway, so it wasn't because of that
ending set.

Speaker 4 (01:49:54):
I'm a little disappointed.

Speaker 1 (01:49:55):
I feel left out flame my song, but I feel
I didn't get flamed that.

Speaker 4 (01:49:58):
I feel left out everybody else?

Speaker 2 (01:49:59):
Well, is there someone for you? Is there something to
somebody else? Prob rented in Edmonton, Thank you, brand Ben
a p you listener for fifteen years and during the
dark ages of nineteen to twenty four, I distinctly recall
a slow building, melancholic tone to Paul over the years,
but during this win streak, I've noticed Paul is happier
and more spirited than ever. I just wanted to point

(01:50:20):
this out, share my happiness for the team and Paul.

Speaker 4 (01:50:23):
I really appreciate it. Not what I was looking for.
I was looking for the criticism, but it's pretty simple.
You win four games. It's I mean, we can try
to put as much lipstick on it as we can.
It's a little different when the quarterback is playing.

Speaker 5 (01:50:38):
I don't know if I did it on air, but
I mean, I think part of the nuance too for
Paul is that they're winning the game with talent.

Speaker 1 (01:50:44):
And you know it's not just.

Speaker 4 (01:50:46):
No because you have the bad schedule, right, and let's
face it, not all five and twos are the same. Like,
you could be winning these games thirteen to ten because
the other team turns it over four times and you
only turn it over twice. That's on how they're winning
these games.

Speaker 2 (01:51:01):
You were afraid of that in the beginning of the year.

Speaker 4 (01:51:04):
Well, yeah, you didn't want that, And I didn't want
to win because of defense, right, because I don't think
it's a very sustainable model, right.

Speaker 5 (01:51:10):
I mean, just used to play at the end of
the half, the touchdown throw to booty where Jason McCarty
is saying, like, oh, they're going to play for halftime.

Speaker 4 (01:51:16):
They they they were going to play for half time.
They wanted to end half. He was probably right.

Speaker 3 (01:51:22):
But it just happens that Drake May is on the field.
But right it is crazy waking up this morning after
the whole slate is over. Drake May is third in
betting odds for m.

Speaker 4 (01:51:34):
VP of the league, and think that's ridiculous.

Speaker 3 (01:51:39):
And the people that are in front of him are
Mahomes and Allen off of purely off a resume, like
it's just the expectation is is the next you know,
nine weeks, those guys will rise to the top.

Speaker 4 (01:51:50):
It's not. He's played better than both of those guys,
and one of the guys that had sort of been
playing at that level, they take a big step back
last night, just one game. But he was bad. He
was horrible. You know, I would say, you can't ignore
what's going on in India with with both Jones and Taylor.
I think they both played an exceptionally high level. But
there's nobody that would argue right now, what do you

(01:52:10):
what do you mean Drake May's an m VP candidate.

Speaker 1 (01:52:14):
Cam Newton might might have.

Speaker 4 (01:52:19):
Can I just tell you, don't anybody tell Drake May
that that that's his guy?

Speaker 3 (01:52:23):
Yeah, maybe motivate him. He's like that, he doesn't he take.

Speaker 4 (01:52:28):
Someone's gotta let Cam know what Drake thinks of him,
and I think that would change another It does help.

Speaker 3 (01:52:33):
You know, Baker playing bad on Monday Night football definitely
helps Drake may because everybody is the real last memory
of Drake May is Sunday night football in Buffalo. So
when you play poorly in these primetime showings they do,
that does.

Speaker 2 (01:52:47):
Sway the vote.

Speaker 4 (01:52:48):
I would even add in, you know Mike Evans going
down with the broken collar bone, like that's is that
what happened to him? That's going to be part of
that that.

Speaker 2 (01:52:56):
I saw come out. I didn't know what was wrong
with him.

Speaker 1 (01:52:58):
Man, what is it?

Speaker 2 (01:53:01):
Everything works out?

Speaker 15 (01:53:04):
Everything we're going.

Speaker 3 (01:53:06):
Friend, Mike Evans is hurt. Michael Pennix has like a
bone bruise and his leg bruise.

Speaker 4 (01:53:11):
I don't even know about that one.

Speaker 3 (01:53:12):
And well, it was funny because I saw this yesterday
and Pennix is one of the Bar's boys. He Bar is
big Penis guy, and so I texted him and I
was like, so now the Patriots are going to face
Dylan Gabriel Kirk Cousins. The question Baker Mayfield without Mike, Yeah,
but Cousins, he can.

Speaker 2 (01:53:30):
Spin it.

Speaker 1 (01:53:32):
Places I want back to back lefty.

Speaker 4 (01:53:34):
Okay, so then you'll face Penix on one leg.

Speaker 1 (01:53:38):
Lefty quarterbacks. I just think that's a funny, weird and
that's true.

Speaker 2 (01:53:42):
Joseph Pennsylvania.

Speaker 1 (01:53:43):
What's up, Joe, Yojo?

Speaker 17 (01:53:45):
You guys love the show and I love the entrance
music from the locker room.

Speaker 1 (01:53:51):
Good, thank you, Joe.

Speaker 17 (01:53:55):
But I have a question about just like the future
like Chase on him Booty, right, But first I want
to say, like, like with the Jets and the Dolphins,
it's nice that they only have one combined win, but
I actually hope they help us out and like become
like a traft game for some other like AFC playoff teams.

Speaker 6 (01:54:11):
Yeah, I could help us down the road.

Speaker 17 (01:54:14):
And so they're not drafting so high.

Speaker 4 (01:54:17):
I mean, you just look at the Jets the last
two weeks. They get their team points consecutive weeks and
lost the games. Yeah like that that you know you
can you can win a game if you only allowed
their team points, right, So they could do exactly what
Joe says, they could trip somebody up.

Speaker 17 (01:54:31):
Yep, sure, yeah, And my question is, so here's the scenario, guys,
really with the future of Chase On and Booty Chase
On only signed a one year deal. But let's say
we're draft draft next year, we're in the we're selected
mid twenties. Let's just say, do we resign Chase On
as our starter defensive end next year? And is Booty

(01:54:53):
like our X going forward?

Speaker 14 (01:54:54):
To me?

Speaker 17 (01:54:54):
He's our X going forward. If that's the case, what
position are we drafting? Think your biggest need?

Speaker 6 (01:55:00):
You think?

Speaker 2 (01:55:01):
I don't think like one. I mean, I don't think
one takes away the other. If you like Chase On
and you sign him, that doesn't mean if you're in
a position.

Speaker 4 (01:55:09):
I don't think either one of those guys would eliminate
me from looking at that position in the draft. I
don't know what's going to be available. I don't you know, Yeah,
I don't.

Speaker 5 (01:55:16):
I don't know either, but I you know, generally speaking
now a little bit of diving in on the draft,
like you just you need to get younger at the
edge position. It's a critical position. It's the only you know,
one of the big five that you don't feel like, well,
I guess receiver to where you don't really have the
young talent that that you're going to need long term.
So I, you know, I don't put receiver atop that list.
But if an opportunity to present itself to get somebody established,

(01:55:39):
I might be interested in that.

Speaker 4 (01:55:40):
But there's a lot of things that you, I mean,
you might need to tackle next year. I mean, Morgan
Moses thirty four years old. I mean, I don't know
how much they think of Marcus Bryant. Maybe they think
he's great, and then that's not a worry at all.
Younger tight end, tight end is safety, lineback.

Speaker 3 (01:55:55):
I mean, there's tough class for those some of these
positions in the first round at least, like edge is
really the one that everybody's been touting as.

Speaker 4 (01:56:03):
The on your raft for a long time.

Speaker 3 (01:56:05):
But just in terms of the talent and the draft,
like edge is, everyone's talking about this edge class already
like it's gonna be a really good one. So maybe
if they're picking like in the teens, and you know,
a couple go ahead of them, like, they might have
somebody fall to them that isn't necessarily supposed to be there,
and you might get Lucky.

Speaker 2 (01:56:24):
Todd's in North Carolina.

Speaker 4 (01:56:25):
I hate Todd, by the way.

Speaker 2 (01:56:31):
Shout out to the Nashville Patriots fan club. Big party
in the Saturday night, they got after it at the
Live Oak bars there and.

Speaker 4 (01:56:43):
Kiss some baby behind the velvet Roe.

Speaker 2 (01:56:46):
Evan doesn't know I did. I did tell you, Evan,
if you were there, you wouldn't have bought a drink.
Where's Evan?

Speaker 3 (01:56:54):
I was getting into an uber to go back to
the hotel on Saturday night and the door opens and
this kid comes flying out of the uber and is like.

Speaker 4 (01:57:04):
Evan, Oh my god, I'm the biggest fan. Can I
take a selfie this whole thing?

Speaker 3 (01:57:09):
He's like talking to me about PU and Cash twenty
two and like just on the random road in Nashville, Tennessee,
mais night and the fan of the show just pops
out of the uber that I was getting in, Like
what are the odds of like that whole thing happening?
So a ton of Patriots fans down in Nashville.

Speaker 5 (01:57:30):
When he goes to share that story with someone, and
it's kind of probably hard for like his mom or
dad or girlfriend to like appreciate like who.

Speaker 1 (01:57:37):
Evan Lai, Yeah, who?

Speaker 4 (01:57:39):
Yeah, you don't listen to I mean I met, No,
I agree.

Speaker 5 (01:57:44):
Don't saying the same thing for me, like you know,
like saying like any of us like who I mean, Paul,
you're on the radio. I mean you're you know, you
have your shows, but I mean those are you know,
some of these guys we're kind of.

Speaker 4 (01:57:53):
Like, we're kind of a niche.

Speaker 6 (01:57:54):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:57:55):
That was as many.

Speaker 3 (01:57:56):
That was as many Patriots fans at a road game
that I have maybe se since I started working for
the team. I mean we were coming to get on
the bus after the game and it was loud like
air was There had to have been, you know, hundreds
at least fans like, you know, on the other side
of the fences.

Speaker 4 (01:58:12):
Like yeah, you know, good and screaming good turnout.

Speaker 2 (01:58:16):
All right, that's going to be it for this edition
of Patriots Unfiltered. We've got Catch twenty two tomorrow at ten. Yes,
you and Barth live pants off pants on.

Speaker 4 (01:58:28):
I hope the pants stay on.

Speaker 2 (01:58:29):
Okay, well you're behind the desk, no one would know.

Speaker 4 (01:58:31):
Yeah, that's true. To wrap up a little earlier, fre
it's not happy waiting a Yeah, we've been better about
that on it.

Speaker 2 (01:58:38):
We sent out a memo and they did and they
sure did strongly. All right, thanks for listening today. I
know we only got to a fraction of the emails
but appreciate all of them. We'll see you tomorrow.

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