Patriots Unfiltered 10/22: Browns Preview, Vrabel Presser/Reaction, Pats to Pro HOF Voting

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Some of the content of Patriots Unfiltered may not be
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(00:27):
in Fox in the morning Street you get fresh cuts?

Speaker 2 (00:29):
Look coming out, fred I didn't. I didn't notice you.
I asked Todd Downing. This left you know. I had
a chance to talk to Todd Downing last week. That
was in the Espianism right now, I had a chance
to talk to Todd Downing me in about thirty of
my closest friends.

Speaker 1 (00:44):
Where were you watching the game, Brian, I'm at home
just by yourself.

Speaker 3 (00:48):
Oh yeah, I mean pretty much.

Speaker 1 (00:50):
I mean, you know, whether you or not game though,
people coming in and out probably have been questioned for you. Yeah, Martin,
there's something growing, there's something. Maybe it was garbage.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
The Browns are not pretty good.

Speaker 1 (01:06):
They have defense is number one in the league.

Speaker 2 (01:07):
The defense is good.

Speaker 1 (01:08):
Okay, they're good. So they have two and five they
have they have a superpower that can give you trouble.

Speaker 4 (01:14):
If they get to seventeen points, I'd be shocked.

Speaker 1 (01:16):
You and Bars live pants off? Pants on?

Speaker 4 (01:20):
I hope the pants stay on.

Speaker 1 (01:21):
Okay, well, you're behind the desk. No one would know.
This is Patriots Unfiltered, presented by Toyota's official website for
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Patriots Unfiltered. It is Wednesday here at Jillette Stadium, and today,
of course, is our turn the page day. We're going
to turn the page to the number one defense in

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the NFL, Cleveland Browns with Miles Garrett based off of
what are they based on? That's what we're going to
talk about. And then of course I'll have we'll have
our Wednesday live press conference with Mike Rabel around twelve
fifty five.

Speaker 2 (01:57):
I believe can confirm pants on, they were off. He
just finished Catch twenty two. We do have the desk,
Fred said, no one would know because you're behind the desks.

Speaker 5 (02:09):
After Catch twenty two. Sometimes I do feel like I
need to like take a shower or something. Wow, like
you just get really into weeds and you're just like,
you know, it's it's it's tiring, cold shower, hot show.

Speaker 4 (02:20):
I just do cold showers.

Speaker 1 (02:22):
But I like, because you know, I come into the
studio before they're done with Catch twenty two. So I
catch the end of it, and you know, so the
show's over. Evan's out ready to go, and Barth is
still in here, and I hear, go, come on, Barth,
let's go like that. It's just like two because.

Speaker 5 (02:41):
He's got he's got to pick up all of his craft.
And I'm like, you know, he takes out the computer
and then he takes out the charger and he has
this whole thing. I'm like, why do you need the charger?
Like it's two hours?

Speaker 6 (02:53):
It's not.

Speaker 4 (02:53):
It's not a ten hour show.

Speaker 5 (02:55):
Is the computer really going to die in the two
hours that we're on the shows?

Speaker 1 (03:00):
It's a lot alone. He's got his ways of doing things.
It does. I just I just hope if the Patriots,
you know, do go to the super Bowl, against all odds,
that that station is, you know, does the right thing.

Speaker 4 (03:17):
It's going to be sleeping on the floor in my
hotel and sends them.

Speaker 1 (03:20):
You know, I think we content wise could have some
fun with him down there. Yeah, you send you out
on the streets.

Speaker 4 (03:30):
On the streets, you could you could quiz.

Speaker 1 (03:33):
People, you could quiz people on X's and o's on
the streets. So are you a football fan? Yeah, okay,
let's test your knowledge and then you start getting into it.

Speaker 4 (03:41):
But people, yeah, it's not it's not good.

Speaker 1 (03:46):
It would be good.

Speaker 4 (03:47):
I did that to just once and it was bad. Yeah.
I survived it though.

Speaker 1 (03:51):
Okay, all right, anyway, it's Evan, it's Paul, it's me,
it's Deuce, it's Alex and the Booth. And we are
turning the page to the Clean Browns. We're done with
the Titans. We've put them to rest. We've given the
rest of the league the blueprint to beat this that
one win team. And so now we move on to

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the Cleveland Browns. How how do we score points against
this defense? Yeah?

Speaker 7 (04:18):
Just keep playing the way Drake Mason playing. It's hard
to say he won't move the ball and score some points.
But I'm excited for this matchup. It's like I said,
I think it's the best defense they've gone up against
this year. Play a lot of man. You got Miles
Garrett mostly plays on that right side over Will Campbell.
They've got a number of pass rushers that they're going
to rotate through Malie Collins, Mason Graham, among others that

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you know, are disruptive, and it's that you know Jim
Schwartz thing with the wide nine.

Speaker 1 (04:44):
So you're doing your matchups, you know, quarterback blah blah blah,
our offensive line versus their defensive line. Who wins that matchup?
They probably their defensive line, I'd see right now, I
would okay, our receivers versus their cornerbacks. Who wins that matchups? Receivers?

Speaker 4 (05:00):
Yeah, I mean wards are really good players, but they've
struggled on.

Speaker 1 (05:03):
They swapped Newsome for our short passing game versus their
short coverage game. Who wins that matchup? There? Then?

Speaker 4 (05:10):
Yeah, they have good linebackers.

Speaker 1 (05:12):
Okay, our running game versus their defensive run stop browns
brown Okay, so we're scoring about fourteen points is what
you're saying, like three, Well, so far they've we've only
won one matchup.

Speaker 4 (05:26):
Offense, the most important one.

Speaker 2 (05:28):
Yeah, are created equal quarterback. We gave the edge to
the Patriots quarterback right against who against their secondary?

Speaker 1 (05:39):
You just said in the short passing game they have
short passing games. Okay, that's a quarterback.

Speaker 2 (05:43):
But the first one you said something about the quarterback
and receivers against their secondary.

Speaker 1 (05:46):
That's right, and we also haven't mentioned the quarterback yet.
I said our receivers versus their quarnerback.

Speaker 2 (05:51):
And we all gave the edge to the Patriots. That's right,
because of Drake may right. Well, right, but I meant
to speak for Evan and I said edge Patriots for that.

Speaker 1 (06:03):
But but you gave them the short passing game.

Speaker 2 (06:07):
The short passing game, yes, and that's no, I have
no interest in not likely, No, I mean the short
passing game.

Speaker 7 (06:14):
I think what stands out to me is this Browns
team really flies to the ball and tackles.

Speaker 1 (06:18):
So we're not going to be able to run. We're
not going to be able to throw the ball short.

Speaker 5 (06:23):
Well, I wouldn't say you're not going to be able
to like this isn't the eighty five bear?

Speaker 2 (06:26):
Yeah, you're exaggerating a little bit.

Speaker 1 (06:29):
You're giving them the edge.

Speaker 8 (06:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (06:31):
I think they have a pretty good defense. Yeah, I
do pretty good. Yeah. No, I mean I don't know
if it's the best. I mean, I know they use
numbers that we all agree are not the best.

Speaker 4 (06:41):
Gauge the number one defense by yards.

Speaker 1 (06:44):
They're number one. Yeah, right, there we go.

Speaker 2 (06:46):
So I'm not telling you this is not a good defense.
This is a good defense, but even good defenses can
get beat by good offense. When they played Detroit as
an example, they get up thirty four, so Detroit a
good offense, and they find a way. They don't just
bomb away every play like they found a way to
move the ball. Now, I think the biggest thing to

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score points in this game. You know, the key matchup
to me is the does the Patriots defense finally take
a bad offense and make it look bad, because that's
what generally happens to the Browns defense. They're on the
field too much. You just can't you can't hold everything
the whole time. And I'm looking at their score by quarters,
you know, and it's it's reasonably close every quarter, twenty

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seven to seventeen, they're out. They're outscored in every quarter.
But twenty seven to seventeen in the first quarter, forty
two to thirty three in the second, thirty four to
thirty three in the third, all reasonably close, forty nine
to thirty in the fourth. It's like you can only
hold on so long. That tells that stat tells me
that the defense plays well, and then you know, they
get beaten down mentally by the fact that their offense

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can't move the ball, they're always chasing.

Speaker 1 (07:53):
What about time a possession?

Speaker 2 (07:55):
I can look that up for you.

Speaker 1 (07:56):
Hold on, yeah, I would.

Speaker 7 (07:57):
I would just say, I think, don't turn the ball over,
don't regress Drake May and give them fumbles, give them
extra possessions, and that's when one of the ones. I
think they could close the gap there. But they just
played clean football for four quarters. I think they should
get enough separation to win the game.

Speaker 5 (08:12):
So the only way they lose, the only way they lose
this game is if it's a Pittsburgh Reducks and they
turned the ball over a bunch of times. Because this
Browns offense is not going to drive the field consistently.
They really only had two scoring drives last week. They
scored ten real points. The rest of it came off
of turnovers or pick sixes.

Speaker 2 (08:30):
So, like I mean, just to illustrate that, sixteen seventeen, thirteen,
ten seventeen nine.

Speaker 1 (08:36):
That's their scoring drives.

Speaker 2 (08:38):
No, that's the point totals in every game until last week,
thirty one. And the reason for the thirty one continue.

Speaker 5 (08:45):
Yeah, they scored twenty one of their thirty one points
off turnovers. One of them was an actual pick six
and one of them was returned to the two yard line,
so and then the other one was a fumble that
they recovered in Miami territory.

Speaker 4 (08:58):
So they really had two drive.

Speaker 5 (09:00):
I've stay had one legitimate drive and Quinn John Jenkins
hit a forty six yard touchdown, and so that that
was the real offense, Like they had ten real points.

Speaker 4 (09:09):
They're in the game last week.

Speaker 1 (09:10):
Schwartz is their defensive coordinator.

Speaker 7 (09:12):
He is He's good defense, super aggressive.

Speaker 1 (09:16):
He's one of those guys who tried to be a
head coach but settled back to where his peak efficiency is,
and that's being a defensive coordinator.

Speaker 4 (09:26):
Very good.

Speaker 2 (09:26):
He's very He's a good defensive coordinator. But Josh Uh
Josh was here in the Super Bowl and against the Eagles, right,
Josh was the offensive coordinator and they had like seventeen
five hundred yards of passing.

Speaker 4 (09:37):
Was that still Jim Schwartz?

Speaker 2 (09:38):
I think I think that was a Jim Schwartz defense.
Am I wrong on that?

Speaker 1 (09:41):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (09:42):
I think that that was one of those It was
one of those that I get in trouble with when
I go off the top of my dators and then
Mike comes back and goes well, actually, Paul, that was
a three four, you remember.

Speaker 5 (09:53):
I think that there's certain vulnerabilities in the Browns defense
that really play into the strains the Patriots offense. I think,
you know, play action, moving the pocket, deep shots down
the field. They've struggled with all those types of things.
They're very, very aggressive defense. So if you get their
eyes in the wrong places, then you can beat them
down the field with you know, those types of tricks.

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So I don't think this is one of those games
where you want Drake made to drop back and pass
thirty five times. But if you move the pocket, if
you get them out on the edge, if you have them,
you know, drop back pass just only a few times
in the game.

Speaker 4 (10:31):
Traditionally.

Speaker 5 (10:32):
I think that there's ways to move the ball against
the Browns in the through the air, like they're they're
really good defense. They're only eleventh in drop back EPA.
It's not like they're like, you know, number one across
the board and everything. They're really stingy against the run,
and they have a Hall of Fame player in Miles
Garrett coming off the edge going up against a rookie
left tackle. So if you have to as a as

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a staff, as a coaching staff, you have to have
a real sound plan of how are we going to
block ninety five? And it has to be every play
like he has to be in the play call, every
single time you call the play. There has to be
some sort of bell and whistle that's accounting for Miles Garrett.

Speaker 1 (11:14):
Does that limit you on offense? You know, because you're
you're using that extra person, not.

Speaker 7 (11:20):
If you're preventing him from blowing your game plan up.
You know, I think, I mean, I think it's worth
the attention, Evan said, But I just think there's a
number of storylines in this game that are interesting to me.
Drake May going up against the best defense he's faced,
Will Campbell against Miles Garrett. You know, the penchant for
Dylan Gabriel to use his tight ends and backs underneath,
and it's kind of attack he doesn't. They don't really
have the downfield passing game, but Gabriel has been safe

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with the ball, and if Djoku plays, then they might
challenge the Patriots and some of their weaknesses.

Speaker 2 (11:48):
Covering more than that, because I want to see the
defense finally make one of these bad offenses look bad. Yeah, yeah,
and those are some of the things that the Patriots
are struggled with. Let's see, if you know, they've made
some progress on it. To answer your question, by the way,
about the time of possession, about even.

Speaker 1 (12:06):
Even yeah, thirty that's surprising.

Speaker 2 (12:08):
Thirty forty seven to twenty nine thirteen. I just think
that you get beaten down when you can't score. And
I mean sixteen seventeen thirteen, ten seventeen nine, that's the
point totals in the first six games of the season. Like,
if you're playing defense, it's hard to go out there
every drive and say, oh, we got to get the
ball back for him again.

Speaker 1 (12:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (12:28):
It reminds me a little bit about of like the
like twenty two ish Patriots, like the twenty twenty two
like time Patriots, where you know, they really you know,
I think this defense probably better than those Patriots defenses were.
But you don't have a real passing game and your
run game, your short quick underneath stuff, your screen game,
your quick game, your tight ends, like that's that's where

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you're living offensively, and at some point, and I think
we've seen it with Miles Garrett, like the frustration is
starting to boil over from Miles Garrett look out where
he's like, you know, swinging this is like we I
have been here how many years and we still can't score. Yeah,
and so every single game I play in, we're down
fourteen points, and like, I think that that frustration is

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starting to boil over. He's had some comments in the
media over the last like week or two that have
been surprising to me. Like I thought maybe they were
like AI or something, you know, like that are just
coming out and saying like, you know, we don't score enough.
You know, I don't get to pass rush with the lead,
you know. I like they asked him about Joe Flacco
and what he did in Cincinnati last week, and he

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was like, yeah, would have been nice, you know, Like it's.

Speaker 2 (13:37):
He was pretty bad with the BRI I mean he
had a sixty passer rating for Cleveland and whatever many
games that was five games. That's pretty bad. Yeah, so
four games, I guess.

Speaker 1 (13:46):
So on the other side of the ball for Cleveland
their offense, is this solely because they don't have a
quarterback or do they just not have talent across the board.
I mean they have a little bit.

Speaker 7 (13:56):
I mean Jerry Judy I think is a is a
good receiver, but it's a lot of it's it's young guys.
It's Harold Fannin's a rookie that they're playing at tight
end and he's you know, leading them in receptions.

Speaker 1 (14:04):
Najoku is right behind him. Quin Shawn Jenkins is another rookie.

Speaker 7 (14:08):
So you know, you're looking at a number of rookies,
even on the defensive side of the ball as well.

Speaker 1 (14:12):
So I think it's a young offense.

Speaker 7 (14:14):
I don't think Dylan Gabriel has the arm and talent
to really consistently push it down the field. But he's mobile,
and like I said, he hasn't made mistakes. He hasn't
turned the ball over in the three starts that he's had.
So going back to like our Patriot days of those
when your offense is struggling, that's what you got to
start there. If you don't turn the ball over, you know,
you might give yourself a chance to Miles Garrett comes

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out here and blows by Will Campbell and it's a
you know, scoop six and then all of a sudden,
you know, changes the game. So that's what, like Evan said,
you have to rely on that kind of.

Speaker 2 (14:43):
It's both though, like I mean the quarterback issues that
Mike just talked about, they don't have many weapons. I mean,
I think Judkins looks like a good, good rookie running back,
and I'd be curious to see what Isaiah Bond looks like.

Speaker 1 (14:54):
Yeah, now, but that's I liked him.

Speaker 2 (14:59):
Coming out of reach to me is pedestrian at best,
and he's by far and away the best wide receiver
they have. I mean, there's no one really close Number two.

Speaker 1 (15:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (15:07):
Yeah, he's streaky though, Like he can have those games
you know, where he comes out and he has one
hundred and fifty yards and then they'll go away for
a couple of weeks. So he does have that capability.
But I think it's the quarterback is the main thing.
But their offensive line has also regressed from like the
Bill injuries, like peak Cleveland offensive line days with Nick Chubb,
and like those offenses, their tackles are not as good

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as they used to be. Camer Robinson's having a tough
year at left tackle they had, Dewan Jones is hurt
at right tackles at the backup on right tackle, Bill
Callahan's not there anymore. As we talked about last week,
with him in Tennessee. So it's not that line is
not as good as it has been. That used to
be one of the best offensive lines in football. You know,
Chubb was really rolling, so they're not that anymore. So

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I think it's all of it. But Gabriel is really
limited throwing the ball down the field over ten air yards.
It's like thirty three thirty five percent completion rate on
deeper throws down the field.

Speaker 4 (16:05):
He really struggles in that area.

Speaker 5 (16:07):
If you make him push it down the field, if
you get him behind the chains, if you put him
behind on the scoreboard.

Speaker 2 (16:14):
I'm not just saying it because he's lefty, but it
reminds me a lot of Tua, Like I think there's
a lot of timing throws. He can be very accurate,
but Ivan, yeah, just said, yes, he'll move around, but
when he's small, when you ask him to get to
push the ball downfield, he has a hard time.

Speaker 1 (16:31):
I don't think slippery.

Speaker 5 (16:32):
Yeah, I wouldn't say like super fast, but he's very slippery,
Like he can get out of the pocket a little bit.
But and they do run him on some like zone
read type stuff too, and incorporate him a little bit
in the boot the game and you know, run game
type stuff. But he's just see like I don't even
know if I would give him to a better player.

Speaker 2 (16:52):
No, no, no, this is a rookie just starting. Like I'm
just saying the style. I think he throws a lot
of anticipation, throws with accuracy and windows. He doesn't have
Tyreek Hill and Jalen Wattle making big plays for him either.
I just don't think he can get the ball downfield.
I don't think he has the arm strength to do it.
And I don't think too it does either.

Speaker 1 (17:11):
Yeah, what's the spread currently?

Speaker 5 (17:13):
I think there were seven something like, I don't know,
I think it was seven and a half.

Speaker 1 (17:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (17:21):
Yeah, I keep an eye on the Joku today on
the injury report to see what his status is. Like he's,
you know, I think a matchup problem. He's just a
big athletic guy.

Speaker 1 (17:29):
And yeah, I.

Speaker 7 (17:31):
Just I'd also just say I really liked Isaiah Bond, Like,
I just think he's explosive, kind of circled him before.
He had some off the Fiel issues in the draft
that dropped dropped him out of that. But him and
Judy breaking a tackle making a big play, you know,
those kind of things. Do you want to avoid those
in turnovers? Just don't allow signs of life, don't let

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the complexion of the game change. We saw it last
week once the Patriots got a lead, it was kind
of over for that Tennessee offense. I think a similar
thing would happen this week, especially at home. Fans are
going to be jacked up. I mean, this team is
coming back on a roll. People are gonna want to
be here to see Drake May. I think that they
can capitalize on that energy right out of the gate.
Start fast on both sides of the ball, be really

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good formula.

Speaker 4 (18:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (18:14):
I would really try to push the ball down the
field offensively early, like if you can draw up, you know,
maybe put it, leave the tight ends in go seven
man protect, move the pocket, get them out, and throw
one of those bombs to you know, Booty or Douglas
or something like that, and just get points up on
the board as quickly as you can, because as soon

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as you get this Browns team off schedule offensively, they're
going to be in trouble.

Speaker 1 (18:39):
If you u when the toss, you defer, get their
offense on. I would, yeah, get a major position on
the field.

Speaker 7 (18:46):
And just let the let the crazy fans who are
going to be amped for this game, you know, make
a lot of noise, make it tough on them right
out of the gate, try to get that immediate advantage
by forcing a punt. I think it'd be a great way,
great way to start. I just the Patrios to re
establish that every game, yes, every game weather.

Speaker 4 (19:04):
It's gonna be a little chilly.

Speaker 1 (19:06):
Yeah, okay, by the way, is Patriots by seven, but
I'd say this is ten.

Speaker 7 (19:11):
This is a good game to continue that, you know,
step for the Patriots of research your dominance at home.
You know, sorry, I was getting on a fund for
riffing there, No, no, just you know this is you
know they've been great on the road, but that's you
got to beat teams like this at home. Like this
has to be the no brainer games where this is

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an overmatched team, you're streaking, you're playing well, don't regress
at home. Establish this place as a play place that's
hard to play and a place that you want to
play in the playoffs, and make it hard to play.

Speaker 5 (19:42):
I think this game and I again, I said this
last week about the Titans, and I'm not trying to
be disrespectful, like this is how good is Drake May
against the Browns defense? This is not like the Browns
are going to come in here and win this game
like this Brown's offense is not going to win this
game like they they don't have it horses to do it. Like, yeah,
Judkins can like break like a forty five yard run

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like he did last week, but if you don't turn
the ball over five times, like that's all that they had.

Speaker 4 (20:08):
Like you know, in the entire game, who's.

Speaker 1 (20:10):
Got the better offense? The Titans or the Browns.

Speaker 2 (20:13):
The thirtieth and I think they're thirty first and thirty second.
I think in all sincerity, right, that's how bad they are.

Speaker 7 (20:20):
Yeah, I mean I'd probably take the Browns just because
of Judy and then Djoku.

Speaker 2 (20:24):
I take the Titans because I think cam Wood's better
than doing it.

Speaker 4 (20:26):
Yeah, I think I might be with Paul because of
cam Warden.

Speaker 1 (20:29):
That's fair. Okay, what about the special teams matchup? I
hear the Browns is horrid.

Speaker 4 (20:35):
Yes, they're they're bad on special teams.

Speaker 1 (20:38):
I think, yep.

Speaker 5 (20:39):
I think that that's another area like it just there's
just not a lot of areas in this matchup.

Speaker 4 (20:44):
That favor Cleveland. There really isn't.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
Friend Buba not getting the job done.

Speaker 1 (20:48):
Freddie Well, I guess not giving it the personnel.

Speaker 2 (20:51):
I would have no idea.

Speaker 1 (20:52):
I leave that to you.

Speaker 5 (20:53):
Yes, if there was like an angle, it might be
a little bit like more interesting. But like I I'm
sure Rabel also has a ton of institutional knowledge of
this Browns team. And you know, he's a very like
observant person, so I'm sure the fact that he was
in their building for an entire year last.

Speaker 7 (21:12):
Year is especially their offensive line.

Speaker 5 (21:14):
Yeah, yeah, it's going to be worth watching, you know
how much they they're kind of on it, and you
know we've talked a lot about their defensive struggles early,
Like does that help that he kind of knows this
Brown's offense inside and a good point and maybe they
can start a little faster on defense.

Speaker 7 (21:31):
And when Stefansk you're going to scheme up on offense,
and are they you know, starting to anticipate and be
ready for those kind of things.

Speaker 1 (21:37):
So going back to the special teams, I was thinking
on one of my drives up here, when I have
a lot of time to think aside from the actual
punter or kicker, if you if you have a bad
special teams unit on coverage, whether it's cut kicks or punts,
it's coaching. Yeah, because all these athletes that are on

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these special teams you and it's they're about the same,
you know, they're all the guys that they're they're all
decent athletes that came out of college, and it's how
you coach them. It's how well they play and motivate them.
It's how well they play on coverage units. And if
you're bottomly, it's coaching. To me, it's not roster I agree.

Speaker 7 (22:18):
I mean, it's not a place where there's a lot
of talent. I mean maybe you could say Matthew Slater
is a kind of player.

Speaker 1 (22:23):
Yeah, you get those outliers, little extra talent.

Speaker 7 (22:26):
I mean, but I mean really it's you know, this
guy didn't stay in his lane and that's why they
but you know, he just wasn't fast enough. Like it's
it's really more of a team situation, I guess. But
would you say, what would you say about the punters
and the kickers, like how much how reflective.

Speaker 1 (22:40):
Is so now now you get into an individual athlete.

Speaker 2 (22:43):
Yeah, I don't think that has anything to do with coaching, right,
I never blame the special teams coach when a kicker
misses a field qual Yeah.

Speaker 1 (22:49):
Right, unless it's just operational time after time, then you're
not coaching. They're not you know, I don't know the
reps aren't there or whatever. But if it's operationally bad
then and.

Speaker 7 (23:00):
Yeah, what about punter though, Like would you put any
coaching on that?

Speaker 1 (23:03):
No, like, because the.

Speaker 7 (23:04):
Actual punting, it's that we needed that one out of
bounds or we needed this, you know, like there is
some like direction we need this yet, But I blame
but I.

Speaker 2 (23:11):
Blame the punter for not punting it where we're supposed
to be.

Speaker 1 (23:14):
He'll do it.

Speaker 2 (23:15):
Assuming the coach told him what to do, right, and
I do. I go into it like you know when
they when it's fourth down, I assume that the coaches say,
we need to get the first down here, right, and
like that to me is the same, Like I'm being
dead serious. I know the specialists, I'm with Fred, but.

Speaker 1 (23:31):
The punter can't say, well, you're not putting me in
a position to succeed. I'm sorry, I'm asking you to like, you.

Speaker 2 (23:36):
Know, like when you're when you're lining up for a
plus fifty punts and you hit it into the stands.
I don't think it's because the coach didn't tell you.
You know, we were trying to pin him inside the tent,
right right, So when Marcus Jones returns one eighty eight
yards and then the next time you kick it right
down the middle of the field, right to Marcus Jones,
I have a hard time blaming the coach for that.

Speaker 6 (23:56):
Now.

Speaker 1 (23:56):
One thing I will say about special team stats is
when you look at the separation of like tenth to fifteenth,
it's it's sometimes it's not very large. You know, somebody
has to be the worst and somebody has to be
the best based on stats. But sometimes those stats, even
then could be deceiving. You know.

Speaker 4 (24:13):
I think it's interesting. You know, this is we're on
the subject the.

Speaker 1 (24:19):
Room, all right, the kick return.

Speaker 2 (24:22):
Now he's driving home school.

Speaker 1 (24:23):
Oh man, I should have stayed.

Speaker 5 (24:25):
Well, he's he's waiting for rips that the kickoff return.

Speaker 4 (24:31):
Has kind of been a dud. It's kind of been
a dud.

Speaker 5 (24:34):
Like it's it's working in the sense that there are
definitely more returns. Uh, the returns are up across the board,
but the return average and the amount of big returns
that they're getting. There's only been one kickoff return for
a touchdown. It was Antonio Gibson and we too in
the entire NFL. So like it's really it's worked in

(24:55):
the sense that the balls in play.

Speaker 2 (24:57):
They're physically returning more kicks by the numbers aren't with them.
They thought, this is what we talked about it. Like
I hate the term dynamics.

Speaker 1 (25:05):
Who's the best DNA in the NFL right now?

Speaker 5 (25:08):
The best return the kickoff returner Jamal Agnew probably, but
like he's I think that man, Tampa, I want to say, yeah.

Speaker 1 (25:19):
I just so my my hypothesis in asking that question
is we don't have any great athletes right now returning kicks.

Speaker 5 (25:27):
Like, oh, I disagree with that, Okay, I mean there's
great athletes across the league.

Speaker 1 (25:32):
Tell me, you know, but who is the uh you know,
the great of our era kick right now? Yeah?

Speaker 5 (25:40):
I mean I suppose yeah, like Corridoro Patterson's you know,
not playing right now, so I guess like he's out.
But like I mean, I don't know, like you watched
for the league and you don't think that, Like the
skill position players have great talent.

Speaker 1 (25:51):
They do a lot of teams that I don't know
the answer to this. I'm asking do a lot of
teams use their first string guys? Are they willing to
risk them on kicks? The injuries are in the league now.

Speaker 5 (26:02):
Not necessarily, But I don't think that that's the main issue.
I think the main issue is that the play is
a lot harder to block than they anticipated. And Jeremy
Springer talked about this, I think it was last week
in his press conference that you know, it's like five
yards of separation between the guys that they're blocking in
the in the ball right, so like it happens so

(26:24):
quickly and there's a lot of space that you have
to be able to block the guy and he could
go around you either way. It's a really hard block
to execute.

Speaker 2 (26:33):
Oh, I have a can I pick? It is something
with Okay, I just curious You're you're fixating on the
returners and they're not the the athletes who would you
consider in recent time, like say the last fifteen to
twenty years the best returners.

Speaker 7 (26:49):
Oh, I don't know, is that to Kobe from the
Ravens that Jones, Kobe Jones.

Speaker 2 (26:54):
Kobe Jones, he'd be he'd be an example, Devin Hester
not stop like it's so it's not like the teams
are not risking their frontline players now because of injury
and they used to do it before. It's the same
caliber of returners. I think there's some differences of opinion
in terms of body types for punts and kicks now

(27:15):
because of the stuff that Evan's talking about with.

Speaker 1 (27:16):
The closed quarters.

Speaker 2 (27:17):
Jeremy Springer has talked about liking a running back as
opposed to you know, a defensive back or a wide
receiver because of the size and the ability to break
tackles and whatnot. I have a revolutionary I don't think
there's a lot of frontline players that over the years
returning kick.

Speaker 1 (27:31):
I have a revolutionary tactic that special teams could incorporate
to block these. So here's how it works, right, So
kick as happens, no one can move until the kicker
has the ball. Right at that moment, the return team

(27:52):
gets up from their stance or from the line, and
instead of engaging with the guy, they all act like vices.
So they go down the field with the player, they
mirror the player, and they don't engage until a certain point. So,
in other words, they're not holding their block a distance.
They're holding their block closer, and it gives the returner

(28:14):
more options, you know what I'm saying. So that the
blocking doesn't start until further down the field.

Speaker 4 (28:21):
Well, there's just a lot.

Speaker 1 (28:22):
It's a bunch of vice guys running with gunner.

Speaker 4 (28:25):
You can't vice anymore.

Speaker 1 (28:26):
So, like I'm not saying that you get together, but
like it's a bunch of guys mirroring guys down the
field and then at some point they turn and engage
and and the runner.

Speaker 2 (28:37):
So treat it more like a punt.

Speaker 1 (28:38):
Treat it more like a punt.

Speaker 2 (28:39):
So you think punts have better return, but this is different.

Speaker 1 (28:42):
This is different.

Speaker 2 (28:46):
That would make it harder because you have ten guys
to deal with instead of two.

Speaker 1 (28:48):
On punts, you can start running the moment it's punted.

Speaker 2 (28:52):
That's why it would be harder on a kick with
ten guys down there instead of two. Now there's only
two guys that can that can go down there, just.

Speaker 5 (29:00):
Like now does the new kickoff. I just think that
it's the coverage team and the return team, the blockers
in the like zone that they're set up in. Yeah,
they're too close together, right, it's too hard to back
the block.

Speaker 1 (29:14):
That's what that's my point.

Speaker 5 (29:15):
And so now it's like literally like getting to like
the thirty is like good job. Like if you return
it to the thirty or further down, like that's considered
a successful return, Whereas I think the league thought that
there was gonna be big returns off of this.

Speaker 6 (29:29):
Now.

Speaker 5 (29:29):
The only other thing I would say is that the
rules don't really allow you to double team or vice
as you were talking about, like as much. There's like
all sorts of rules against it now because the player safety.
So like since you can't like form a wall like
they used to be able to that, you can't really
like do that anymore. So now it's literally just like
nine to one on ones right across the board, right,

(29:52):
and so it's just like the defense is actually you know,
the coverage team is the one that's actually building the wall,
and it's just there's not enough space. And so so
like now that these returns is just running into a
brick wall. And I don't think the play is that exciting,
Like it's in play, but it's just not that exciting.
Last thing on this like they don't really do anything fancy.

(30:12):
I think a lot of people thought that the returned units.
They would try reverses, they would try to throw back.

Speaker 2 (30:17):
I did see it reverse the other night. I haven't
seen the throwback. Ye, someone did a reverse in one
of the games that I watched. It didn't work.

Speaker 1 (30:24):
But even the reverses don't really work from that distance,
you know what I mean, Because like if you said,
if the coverage team is building a wall, they see
it all in front of them happening and you can react.

Speaker 5 (30:35):
Yeah, So I thought that they would, that some of
these coordinators would maybe get a little bit more creative
with how they return it. But I think what's happened
is is that like the risk is not worth the
reward unless it's like a certain situation, because if there's
a ball security issue, if you put the ball on
the ground like that, that's worse than just getting to
the twenty five yard line and putting your offense on

(30:56):
the field. So I don't know, it just hasn't worked,
But I do like.

Speaker 1 (31:01):
The fact that it's gotten the ball and play more.
Like there are more returns.

Speaker 2 (31:07):
So you can't argue that, yeah, returns the way up.
The number of actual returns is up.

Speaker 1 (31:12):
Yeah, So there's that opportunity of something to happen, so
at least it's it's worth watching, you know, like something
could happen.

Speaker 4 (31:19):
I mean, I love it.

Speaker 5 (31:20):
I think that like the fact that I have dissected
it as much as I have, I think tells you
that it's like a real play.

Speaker 1 (31:26):
Now it's worked.

Speaker 5 (31:27):
It's a play that you have to like factor into
things because now with like the dirty kicks too, like
you can really pin teams like you can you can
get teams down inside the twenty yard line and put
them on long fields. Like it's a lot of teams
are that are good at it have done really well
with that. So it's kind of like a strategy thing now, all.

Speaker 1 (31:47):
Right, A five to five Pats five hundred special teams
talk about is the Hotline podcast at Patriots dot com.
Is the email address again, Mike Rabel coming up at
about twelve fifty five. We'll break at that point and
feed him live to you. So I want to get people, uh,
find out what their thoughts on the Cleveland Browns are,

(32:09):
if they have any. So let's open it up. We'll
start with old friend Christian in La. What's up Christian?

Speaker 9 (32:18):
Good you guys. Well, before I get to my football stuff.
I'm gonna go straight at Paul. Paul, Captain cranky. Captain Cranky.
It seems like every time I call, I make my point,
you immediately disagree with the point, and then for the
rest of the show slowly agree with the point.

Speaker 6 (32:37):
Wow.

Speaker 9 (32:38):
Every single time.

Speaker 6 (32:39):
Wow.

Speaker 9 (32:40):
So let's see if today you do the same thing.

Speaker 2 (32:43):
All right, let's let's hold on a second. What was
the What was the point that you made that I
disagreed with when you called most recently, and then I
eventually agreed with it.

Speaker 9 (32:53):
I said that I felt like the team might just
be a paper tiger, like we play some teams that
aren't there great. Everyone's talking and I.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
Woudn't possibly disagree with that more.

Speaker 9 (33:02):
Getting there, Wait a minute, us getting there, and you said,
I disagree, ve Emily, I think this team is going
to be okay. If you got to the playoffs, would
we worry? And then the rest of the show all
you did was say, well, we got to talk about
the other story. We haven't really played anyone. You know,
this team, we haven't proven on those yet.

Speaker 10 (33:19):
It's not the same thing.

Speaker 2 (33:21):
It's not the same thing. You think that they're not
very good. I'm not saying anything I'm saying. If why
would you be upset at five and two? You were
upset that they were five and two because they don't
beat anybody. That's what I disagreed with. And you're worried
about losing the first game of the playoffs and losing
a draft pick, which you actually talked about on Sunday.
You're talking about getting the worst draft pick.

Speaker 1 (33:40):
Who cares.

Speaker 9 (33:41):
I wasn't upset about them winning. I wasn't upset about
them winning. What what I said was, I'm glad that
we want everything looks good.

Speaker 2 (33:48):
My greatest fear, yes, is that And that's that's the
part I disagreed with. Why you're worrying about draft picks
instead of worrying about getting better every week, that's the
part I don't understand, and I disagree with that when
you said it, and I disagree with that. Now I
didn't change my view on that.

Speaker 9 (34:07):
Well, what I said and what you said with the
same thing, the team might be a little bit of
a rated right now, Well.

Speaker 2 (34:13):
That I didn't say that, so you're know we're not
saying the same thing.

Speaker 9 (34:17):
You literally said. We got to go on the other
side and make sure we're talking about the team hasn't
really played an the one yet, and I'll schedule Basedaw,
that's that.

Speaker 1 (34:26):
That's not the same thing as saying they're overrated.

Speaker 9 (34:31):
Paper Tiger doesn't mean over rated. It means that we're good,
but we might not be as good as everyone thinks
we are.

Speaker 1 (34:37):
Point the definition of thank you, Fred question, try today.
I'll give you credit, I'll give you you good effort.
I like it.

Speaker 2 (34:47):
I actually said, he's worried that they're going to lose
the first playoff game and therefore get a better a
worse draft pick as a result than they should.

Speaker 1 (34:57):
You there like the same.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
I know, but a postgame show a postgame show, and
I just like I went on a rant. So it's
just like they're five and two. They won four games
each of the last two years. They're five and two,
and we're worried about not quite being as good as
our record. Maybe they're not, But like, I don't understand
why you worry about it. Why would that bother you
right now?

Speaker 11 (35:18):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (35:19):
Because I got news for you. You're just playing teams
like this the rest of the way. You get a
couple of you know, you got Buffalo again, you got Baltimore,
who I assume will be in a better spot when
they play them down the road that they are now. Okay,
there's not many teams that you won't be able to
compete with. I don't know why you would look at
the playoff pitcher in the AFC right now and say,

(35:43):
I don't know how we're gonna I don't know how
we're gonna be able to sack up against Indianapolis. I
don't know how we're going to end up playing if
we have to, if we have to play the Chargers,
with the Broncos, we got no shot, Like, I don't
know why you would spend time worrying about that right now.
That's the part I disagreed with. Instead of worrying about
draft picks for next year, worry about you know, can

(36:04):
Drake may continue to stack these games the way he
has the last month? Can he can he even be
better than this? A lot of people who analyze the
tape from the Tennessee game think he left some plays
on the field, like like Evan was talking about yesterday,
could he be even better than this? Why didn't you
spend time being excited about that instead of worried about

(36:24):
Chris draft In seventeenth in step job.

Speaker 1 (36:26):
I don't know what your motivation was for the call,
but if it was to get onto Paul's skin, good job.

Speaker 2 (36:31):
I think the one Patriots fans are just so insufferable
sometimes I think the one concerned.

Speaker 1 (36:38):
Now he's but let's go.

Speaker 5 (36:42):
Like last year, the Commanders like Jaden Daniels plays out
of his mind as a rookie and gets them to
the NFC Championship game. Now he's had some injuries this year,
they haven't like been as They really just haven't across
the board Ben as good and like, so my whole thing,
big picture is not like draft picks.

Speaker 4 (36:57):
It's just like how do you keep it going right?

Speaker 5 (37:01):
Like how do you how do you keep it going
even past this season? You know, if they continue on
this path, they go to the playoffs and like how.

Speaker 4 (37:08):
Do we you know, to go back?

Speaker 5 (37:09):
Like how do you avoid like the twenty twenty two
Mac Jones Patriots And he's much better than Mac. But
like that whole thing, you know, I think the Commanders
are coming back down to earth this year, and a
lot of that's because Daniels has been hurt, but like
some of it is because Daniels has been hurt. Some
of it's because maybe they overachieved.

Speaker 2 (37:28):
For sure, probably would have been pissed if he was
a Washington fan because they went all away to the
NFC Championship game. It's the difference if you don't win
at all.

Speaker 5 (37:34):
I just felt like when they were here for the
joint practice, and I know McLaurin didn't didn't practice, and
that's a big factor. When I looked at the two
teams on the field though, Like I didn't think the
talent gap was all that big between the Commanders and
the Patriots. And that was a team that was just
in the NFC Championship Game the year before.

Speaker 2 (37:51):
It's an example of a team that got carried by
its quarterback.

Speaker 4 (37:54):
Right, And I'm worried this team carried by its quarterback.

Speaker 2 (37:57):
Well okay, but that's different about sustainability and getting better
and continuing like just this, Oh whoe is me? Like
we're not going to get a draft pick? Like I
guess basically, everybody is entitled to feel the way they feel. Okay,
I said that all the time, So I'm not attacking
Christian for feeling the way he feels. What I would

(38:18):
take exception to is that somehow he interpreted that after
the call like it was a shtick, Like I just
disagree with Christian when he calls, and then a half
hour later I was with him. I'm not with you.
I've never been with that that line of thought. I
will never be with Like when you're when you're a
fan of a team and they're winning games. Yes, you
recognize the flaws and the faults and you hope that

(38:39):
they improve on those, right, right, But I would rather
lose than go to the playoffs so I can get
a better draft pick.

Speaker 1 (38:46):
I think a lot of fans have I've never said
that I had. I think a lot of fans have
this notion that if you have a low draft pick,
you can't improve, Like if you finish well and pick
low classes work out for him, right, that that's just
not true. If you have a good personnel department, you
can still get good guys at the bottom of the

(39:06):
first round, bottom of the second round, and you can
do well in free agency. And by the way, if
you're a better team, more free agents want to come
to you play with you.

Speaker 4 (39:16):
So it's you can improve, you can, But.

Speaker 5 (39:20):
Oh, you were with them a little bit Like if
I'm Washington, the analytics guys.

Speaker 2 (39:27):
Raft that's right, draft picks.

Speaker 5 (39:30):
It's twofold, though, like one like just looking at it realistically,
like Washington spend a bunch of money in last off season,
They're not going to go out and spend a bunch
more money. It's just not how ownership in any sport
works when you have an off season spending spree.

Speaker 2 (39:45):
I agree, don't expect you don't expect to repeat what
the Patriots did this year in the off season correct
next year.

Speaker 5 (39:50):
So you're not going to be big spenders in free agency.
And your roster wasn't as good as it looked. Your
quarterback had an unbelievable season, so like the commander has
had more holes on their roster than it looked because
Jaden Daniels was that good. So now if you're Washington.

Speaker 1 (40:07):
Yeah, it works for twenty years.

Speaker 5 (40:09):
It was great to go to the NFC championship game.
I am sure you went to the NFC Championship game.
You got your doors blown off of you, and now
you're three and four of the following year because your
roster wasn't really all that good.

Speaker 1 (40:22):
Well so well wait a minute, now, hold on, is
the roster worse than it was last year. No, okay,
so why there's another reason why the quarterbacks hurt. That's
why the record is what it is.

Speaker 2 (40:34):
But Evans larger point is they weren't as good as
twelve and five within No I.

Speaker 1 (40:38):
Know, but if you have a great quarterback, you can
overcome that. And while you're overcoming it with your quarterback,
you can get incrementally better every year. But I would
argue doesn't mean you have to have a top five
pick every year.

Speaker 4 (40:50):
I'm not saying top five.

Speaker 5 (40:51):
I'm just I would argue that Jaden Daniels could have
had a great year as a rookie and they could
have had like the eighteenth pick in the first first
round of the draft instead of picking at the bottom
of the first round of the draft.

Speaker 1 (41:03):
He'd have still been hurt this year and they would
have problems.

Speaker 5 (41:06):
I guarantee you their GM would have said it wouldn't
have been the worst thing in the world.

Speaker 1 (41:11):
The quarterback because he wants to have draft pick. But
Daniel going to be good.

Speaker 4 (41:17):
I don't care who we're talking about injuries like you can't.

Speaker 1 (41:20):
We are because that's the that's the current state of
that team.

Speaker 5 (41:24):
I don't think that they would be I don't think
that's the only reason. I don't think that's the only reason.

Speaker 2 (41:27):
I don't think Daniels has played as well when he's
been healthy. But I would also say maybe.

Speaker 1 (41:32):
He's not that good.

Speaker 5 (41:34):
We have to do that because if he's like elevating
the he's elevated.

Speaker 2 (41:38):
Think but I thought that last year when I got
when I got laughed at you.

Speaker 5 (41:42):
He's elevating the roster last year to an insane level.
You can't expect even the great quarterbacks to do that
every single year. So like, at some point you can't,
I'm sorry, quarterbacks, yes you can.

Speaker 2 (41:55):
You can't, though maybe Mahomes can. But that's a hard
way to do it. Brady did it for years that
there's a select group that.

Speaker 1 (42:01):
You are great.

Speaker 2 (42:03):
I don't know if Drake quarters are going to be
those guys yet. I mean they've only played two seasons,
not even two seasons yet. I just think that there's
I also think there's a huge thing in Washington like
a year ahead, like like it's a slow it's a
slower build than that. So it's why it's very common
in sports to take a step to two steps forward
and one step back. It's a common thing in all sports. Yeah,

(42:25):
that it happens all the time. Exactly why you haven't
said because maybe you won more games than you probably
should have.

Speaker 1 (42:31):
What do we say in particularly, what did we say
before the season even started about the commander?

Speaker 2 (42:35):
We thought that they would take a step back because
but my biggest reason was was two fold. Number one
ever mentioned it, but it kind of glossed over. They
were a mess in the summer with Terry McLaurin. That
whole situation was not an ideal way to go about
business heading into a season. That was a completely avoidable
mistake that they had. And oh, by the way, McLaurin
has been hurt, which I don't think is a coincidence.

(42:57):
When you don't do anything all summer, you end up
getting hurt early in the season, and now you got
your quarterback and your best offensive player hurt. But the
other thing is all of those games you win on
the last play of the game, that's there's a regression
to the mean. That's inevitable. Fools when you do that.
That's five games they had five touchdowns in the last

(43:17):
thirty seconds, five go ahead touchdowns. Do you know how
hard that is? I'll tell you it's never happened before.
That's how hard it is, Like there's no way that
you can possibly replicate that. That's why I thought they
would take a step back.

Speaker 5 (43:29):
It was fool's gold, and so like it's I just
feel like maybe there's something to be said for like
taking smaller, incremental steps. And I'm not telling the Patriots
to go purposely out go out and lose games to
do that, but I'm just saying.

Speaker 1 (43:44):
Like the winning is good.

Speaker 5 (43:45):
The period the Commanders got they would have won any ways, though,
Like they still would have won to an acceptable level,
but the way that they did it ended up actually
kind of hurting them in the long n Yeah.

Speaker 1 (43:55):
I mean you could make that argument. I wouldn't.

Speaker 2 (43:57):
I think that they the benefit that they get from
going the NFC championship vastly outweighs being ten spots later
in the draft. In my view, I'm with it, Fred
on that one hundred percent. I understand what your point is.

Speaker 4 (44:07):
I just don't if you're not going to spend the
money in I'm not where's the talent come?

Speaker 2 (44:11):
But the draft? Why can't you draft? Just like why
did Belichick do it all the time?

Speaker 4 (44:15):
Belichick didn't do it all the time.

Speaker 12 (44:17):
I can.

Speaker 2 (44:18):
I can show you from two thousand and one to
twenty twelve when he did it all the time.

Speaker 1 (44:22):
What about the Steelers parentally a winning team, yet they
were picking thirty seconds all the time?

Speaker 4 (44:27):
Have not all the time?

Speaker 1 (44:28):
I mean Logan Magas thirty two.

Speaker 4 (44:30):
Richard Seymour not thirty two. Hey, that's the very first game.

Speaker 2 (44:33):
But like that, once they got good, I said, he
continued to draft at a high level. You're getting like
Dan Copens and the Santi Samuels in the middle rounds. Yes,
it's really Eugene Wilson. You know that they had a
lot of good players that they picked, not with top
draft picks.

Speaker 4 (44:48):
That's really hard to do.

Speaker 2 (44:50):
But he did it for twelve years.

Speaker 1 (44:51):
Bill did it good. He did.

Speaker 4 (44:53):
That's why he's going to the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 1 (44:54):
So like, let's just.

Speaker 2 (44:55):
Not give these guys and out and say, well, you know,
I would liked to have drafted, but instead of picking eighteenth,
I have to pick twenty.

Speaker 4 (45:00):
Not giving them it out.

Speaker 5 (45:01):
You just are acting like it's so easy to go
find Pro Bowl players in the third and fourth round
of the draft when it's not. Like it's not that
it's just just good, okayt Samuel.

Speaker 2 (45:10):
It's a pro bowler like Eugene Wilson, Dan Copen, just okay.

Speaker 4 (45:16):
But it's just not that easy. It's not that easy.

Speaker 1 (45:19):
Well, I think this is all a result of Christian's call.
So good job Christian.

Speaker 2 (45:22):
Yeah, you know, in retrospect, i'll give Christian, you know, no,
in all serious I'll give him not because he spurret
them well and you have Evan on your side. I
just I mean, he doesn't want to whom to show.

Speaker 4 (45:35):
The way to top five pick.

Speaker 5 (45:36):
It's just like there's this happy media here. Look at
the Detroit Lions, like the Lions took stepping stones.

Speaker 4 (45:42):
They're bad. In Dan Campbell's first year then they were medio.

Speaker 1 (45:45):
And you're saying if that first year, you know, lightning
struck and they made it to the NFC Championship, they
wouldn't have been able.

Speaker 4 (45:51):
To because they wouldn't have Jamiir Gibbs.

Speaker 5 (45:53):
Forget the first Jack Campbell, they wouldn't have Brian Branch,
they wouldn't have Sam Laporta, like, they wouldn't have all
these pays.

Speaker 2 (46:00):
I don't know what else could I really don't know
why they wouldn't have had all of those players. But anyway,
they wouldn't have had the first year if they were
a three win team. So we're not talking about the
first year. We're talking about the second year. Okay, the
second year they went nine to eight.

Speaker 1 (46:14):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (46:14):
Could they have easily gone ten and seven, made the
playoffs and made a run just like the Commanders did. Yeah,
that could have happened, and that would have been a
bad thing.

Speaker 5 (46:27):
I'm not saying it would have been a bad thing.
I'm just saying that in retrospect, it ended up working
out for them in terms of sustainability a little bit better. Like,
that's how you get Gibbs, that's how you get Campbell,
That's how you get those guys in there.

Speaker 2 (46:38):
Like if you don't, but if you don't it is
what I'm saying is you you're making it out to
be a zero sum game, Like in order to get
Gibbs is not a great example because he was a
was he like twelve? Yeah, so maybe you don't get Gibbs,
but you can get Sam Laporta, and you can get
Jack Campbell, and you can get some of the other
guys that are centerpieces of their team as opposed to

(47:02):
Jalen Polk, like, you don't have to, but you have
to hit the pick. But you don't have to have
a high pick to hit the pick. You have to
hit the pick when you make it. Whatever it is.
You got to get good players. They used to be
able to do that. They haven't been able to do
it more recently. I agree with you, that's the only
way to build a championship roster because you can't just

(47:23):
do it in free agency every year, no one, No
one does that.

Speaker 1 (47:26):
You can't.

Speaker 2 (47:27):
I agree with Evans's point. I just disagree that if
they had won another game or two, we'll forget Sam Laporta.

Speaker 1 (47:33):
No, like you could still draft good.

Speaker 4 (47:34):
Player Mayor Gibbs, who's like jam Gibbs back in the NFL.

Speaker 2 (47:37):
Jamiro Gibbs. They got because they had the two picks, right,
they had the.

Speaker 5 (47:40):
Two picks, but they used they had extra draft, they
had extra capital, and they made a move. They moved
up slightly though it was like right, but in the
middle you can do that so like twelve eleven.

Speaker 2 (47:50):
Yeah, I mean it's not like he was, you know,
like Jamar Chase.

Speaker 7 (47:53):
Well that's the Evans dream scenario, right, like that, Like
you know you're like, well, ye.

Speaker 4 (47:57):
Kind of.

Speaker 5 (47:59):
I don't need to go up that I know, and
I'm enjoying that they're winning games and all that good stuff.
But I just I don't know, like I understand both
sides of it.

Speaker 1 (48:08):
I mean, you know what.

Speaker 8 (48:12):
Talent.

Speaker 2 (48:13):
But I'm going to say it again. I mean, this
is what Christian was talking about. They did it. I
guess I know, Christian, I'm being dead serious here. I
think I might I'll step back. I maybe I didn't
look at it the way.

Speaker 5 (48:22):
Wait, you should let these two draft because if you're
drafting thirtieth in the first round, they'd find the guys.

Speaker 2 (48:27):
I didn't say I would.

Speaker 5 (48:28):
It's not my job, okay, but that's not like you
look at any of the teams across the board.

Speaker 4 (48:33):
Who does it consistently?

Speaker 5 (48:34):
Bill did it consistently and built a dynasty that is
the greatest dynasty in the history of sports.

Speaker 2 (48:40):
So that's the that's Baltimore has done it pretty consistently.
I think Pittsburgh has done it well. I mean, I'm
not telling you every pick at the home run.

Speaker 4 (48:46):
It's in the middle of the round. Every year they're
nine and eight.

Speaker 2 (48:49):
They're a playoff team. Every year, So they picking in
the bottom twelveeenth, bottom fourteen. Now because they expanded the playoffs,
they're picking in the bottom fourteen somewhere, So they're picking
the second half of the round. Like, you don't have
that's what we're talking about.

Speaker 1 (49:02):
Nine and eight.

Speaker 2 (49:03):
You said that was the biggest difference for the Detroit
or that's what I mean. Ninety eight doesn't get you
in the.

Speaker 5 (49:07):
Top anders who picked what twenty eighth, twenty ninth in
the first round because they went to the NFC championship.

Speaker 1 (49:12):
Game because they made a run once they got in
the play Well, they were twelve and five.

Speaker 2 (49:16):
That's a good record. That's why they picked late when
they did. But I mean, we're advocating going from twenty
eight to eighteen. That's the difference. Again, I just don't
believe that that's the difference between getting Sam Laporta and
not not Sam Laporta, but getting Jet Campbell.

Speaker 5 (49:30):
Like all these guys that are picked in the top
twenty every year, Like there's a big discrepancy between the
guys that are picked inside the top twenty and outside
the top twenty.

Speaker 1 (49:37):
Like it's it's the how come the Jets suck bad
draft of it. Okay, they picked low every year and
they draft poorly, and a lot of teams we can
use that as an example for any team. I don't know,
it's how you draft. It's not where you draft.

Speaker 5 (49:52):
Fred you can't just draft at the bottom of the
first round and expect to find the pillars of your
organization down there. Like that's not like, that's not how
going to happen. Like I look at this stuff every
single year, like for six months. You're not going to
just find you know, Penny School at thirty two overall, Like,
that's not going to happen.

Speaker 7 (50:11):
No, and the Patriots turnaround has been largely predicated.

Speaker 4 (50:14):
On drafting Christian Gonzalez, Will Campbell.

Speaker 1 (50:17):
That's where the talent has finally.

Speaker 2 (50:19):
Christian Gonzalez is one of those guys in the middle
of the round that's you can get, not twenty ninth, seventeenth.
I'll leave you on that, all right, we haven't. You
just did a Belichick and you're just leaving more than one.

Speaker 8 (50:35):
He's gonna walk to the press coverage just mumbling to himself,
what service I'm moderate.

Speaker 4 (50:47):
That he's really upset.

Speaker 1 (50:49):
I just really I didn't want to chime in and
break up the flow. I know, I want to let
the flow.

Speaker 7 (50:54):
You guys were I mean, he was fine, But I
mean also the question I have is is their institutional
value from going to an AFC.

Speaker 1 (51:00):
That's what I said, from a conference championship.

Speaker 2 (51:03):
You know how from that experience, you're going.

Speaker 7 (51:06):
To lose draft You're going to you know, lose draft status.
But you know, what is the organization view as And
I'm sure that there's a bottom line component financially of
making aid of the conference championship game too.

Speaker 1 (51:16):
But no, that was great stuff.

Speaker 6 (51:18):
You know.

Speaker 2 (51:19):
No, and I know that it's going to sound like
it sounded like it's disingenuous. This is what the point
that Christian was making that I disagreed with, and obviously
Evan disagrees with it too. My only thing with what
Christian was saying that I took exception to today's call
is that he claims somehow that I changed my view
a half hour later. I don't. I still you don't
maintain I want to win. I think winning is good

(51:42):
and I think losing is bad. I don't think that's
that controversial of a take.

Speaker 7 (51:45):
Yeah, there were two things though, I was I was
thinking about. Is that We talk all the times about
the free agency, the big free agent class, and then
there's usually a regression to the mean the next year,
regardless of who it.

Speaker 2 (51:55):
Was, because you're not going to go back into that
market and invest the same way nobody does.

Speaker 7 (52:00):
But even the guys that you maintain, it's like asking
Bobby Wagner at whatever he is, thirty five to can
you know, continue to play at a high level. And
the other thing is like, and that'm it's just Jayden
Daniels is more experienced, Like I think there's a big
difference between you know him year one, year two than
Drake May where you feel like this is the first
time Drake has had an offensive coordinator to you know,

(52:21):
or I'm sorry that he's getting into a system that
he's used to and you know, hopefully can have some
continuity between this year next year, which was the biggest
problem in twenty two.

Speaker 1 (52:29):
When you rip that from Matt and you.

Speaker 2 (52:30):
Can nitpick a little bit, you know, with Washington and
say like, well did they do did they make the
right personnel moves around their young quarterback to get better?
And maybe I don't know enough about their roster building
from last year to this year to honestly be able.

Speaker 1 (52:45):
To get the wise Jonathan Jones. But like I'm talking
about the draft, I don't know who they drafted.

Speaker 2 (52:49):
To be honest with you, I don't know their draft class,
you know, off the top of my head, I would
say another similar kind of organization would be Houston. Houston
got the rookie quarterback and CEJ Strout, who I think
is terrific, and I still think he's terrific. Did they
do enough around him? You know, they went year two,

(53:09):
they won the division again, but he took a step back.
They weren't as good offensively because the offensive line wasn't good.
Then they went out and they really didn't go hogtail
and invest in the offensive line. They kind of waited.
They got a kid who looks okay but hasn't been
a world beater. I think Ursery, right, yea, arin't they
draft him? Did I get that right?

Speaker 13 (53:31):
Now?

Speaker 1 (53:31):
You get the name right?

Speaker 2 (53:32):
I'm pretty sure they get so. Again, I don't know
enough about each step of the team building process that
those teams made, but that to me would be the
fear I would worry about moving forward. Will they do
enough with the young quarterback to take the next steps
so you go from being a playoff team to a
title contender. And I agree with Christian, I don't think

(53:54):
this is a title contending roster right now. But that
doesn't mean that you can't win games. Yeah, I think
Houston's a good example two of that.

Speaker 7 (54:00):
Just because you know a team like the Patriots, Drake
May have in a great season right now, it doesn't
mean the trajectory is like this year you make to
the first round of the playoffs. Next year you're going
to be in the divisional run, and then after that
you're like, you know, it's not that kind of and
Houston's a great example of that, Like it's it's hard
to keep it all together on that street.

Speaker 2 (54:16):
The last thing Fred on this isil piggybacking on Mike's point.
There's nothing guaranteed, Like I don't know what it's going
to look like next year for the Patriots. I don't
know what Drake May is going to look like next year.
I know right now he's played at an exceptionally high level.
So I want that to continue, and I want them
to continue winning games, and I want them to make

(54:37):
a run. And if they do, that's great. If they don't,
I'll hope that it.

Speaker 1 (54:42):
Wasn't fool's goal, right, yeah, right, right.

Speaker 2 (54:44):
And I'll hope that they can get better, but I
don't know what it's not guaranteed next year.

Speaker 1 (54:48):
Let's let's hit the phones. Going to do it quickly
because we might have to cut you off for variable.
But first we'll start with HERM in d C. What's up? Herm?

Speaker 14 (55:00):
What's going on?

Speaker 3 (55:01):
Guys?

Speaker 6 (55:01):
How you doing good?

Speaker 2 (55:02):
Going great?

Speaker 1 (55:05):
You gotta be quick most.

Speaker 14 (55:07):
An observation, yeah, question. So the discourse around the defense, right,
I mean we have to I believe the top five
scoring defense in the entire NFL, and I believe Mike
referenced yesterday how Spencer Ratler and can work crops this up.
I mean there's a little the context was there, right,
Spencer Ratler was the number one high school quarterback coming

(55:28):
out and it went to OU and Kim Ward. It's
the number one pick in the NFL draft. So yes,
obviously they will complete some passes. But I just when
everybody like, take a little chill pill, I think the
defense is fine. Yes, that idea that we're giving up
scoring drafts to open up the last few games, but ultimately, yep,
if you just want up and down the field. All

(55:50):
you do is is accomplished, but nothing in terms of
like cardio, right, as long as you keep the teams
out of the end zone and you control to run.
I think, yeah.

Speaker 1 (56:01):
But I hear what you're saying, and the bottom line
is how many points are you giving up? And they're doing.

Speaker 2 (56:06):
Things that's I think that's full score and they're the points.

Speaker 1 (56:11):
But you know the thing is that overall those offenses
don't score a lot of points, you know, and the
one that we're playing this week doesn't score a lot
of points. So if the Patriots don't allow them to
score a lot of points, well that's kind of what
you're supposed to do. So the big I think it'll
be a big test in two weeks when they play Atlanta.

(56:33):
I think Atlanta can put some points up sometimes, you know.
I think Tampa Bay points out.

Speaker 2 (56:39):
I mean, I don't know how they only score a
ten against San Francisco with all those guys out, I.

Speaker 1 (56:44):
Think Tampa Bay can put So there's some tests. I
think this week is a great test for the Patriots offense.
I think there's some weeks coming up that will be
good better tests for the defense. Than we've had so far,
So we'll see. I mean, this is all to be
seen with this team.

Speaker 2 (56:59):
Now.

Speaker 7 (56:59):
There's this is it's a fascinating disparity in that they
are a top ten team in points and yards and
that stuff, but dvway they're twenty eighth, which is adjusted
to opponents. So you know, you our job now is
this could be a good team. What are the flaws?
Is the defense really good enough? You know, those are
the things that we're trying to analyze. And you can't
ignore that number dv eight twenty eighth. That's well, that's
that's a warning side. What is the Browns defense DVOA eleventh?

Speaker 1 (57:23):
Oh no, sorry, they're in the top ten. I think
the fifth. Oh I gotta look no.

Speaker 2 (57:27):
Better than I thought.

Speaker 1 (57:28):
Sam's in Easton what's up? Sam?

Speaker 15 (57:32):
Hey, guys, pivoting off what you were just talking about.
I want to talk about the Monday night game with
Detroit showed on defense. I feel like they kind of
provide a little bit of a blueprint, you know, with
with pressure on Mayfield, I think he was particularly accurate.
I think he's pretty overrated as a passer in general.
But curious what you guys saw and what you thought

(57:54):
about depleted secondary, just shutting them down. I think we
should win that game with even without Mike Evans. I
think for the better team.

Speaker 1 (58:01):
Yeah, they certainly got to Mayfield and gave him trouble.
Thanks Sam, You know so.

Speaker 2 (58:05):
I don't think you're the better team in that. I'm
not telling you.

Speaker 1 (58:08):
Catch him in is. We don't have a Hutchinson, right,
you know that's Baker. Mayfield was dreadfully bad in that game. Yeah,
he was off.

Speaker 2 (58:16):
He had all kinds of receivers to throw to and
just missed them.

Speaker 1 (58:19):
And that's his career, right, that's his career.

Speaker 2 (58:21):
But I'm going to just say that was an outlier.
This year, he's been pretty good. Yeah, he's been very accurate.
He's he runs around all the time, Like I don't
think he was under I mean he probably percentage wise,
had more pressure the other night than normal. But I've
seen him running around for his life all year and
it makes place. He was terrible in that game. I
don't think you can bank on that again.

Speaker 1 (58:43):
Williams in Montreal, what's up, william I?

Speaker 12 (58:47):
I have a question. Yeah, against the Browns, how do
you guys think Will Campbell and Jared Wilson will match
up against Miles Garrett. Are we going to have to
chip them on every play or fly?

Speaker 2 (59:03):
I think you're gonna need more than chips. I think
you're gonna need a double team.

Speaker 1 (59:06):
You might need the double team with tight end. You
might need to bring in an eligible uh lineman. I
don't think they'll do that. No, not in passing downs.

Speaker 2 (59:14):
Well, I don't don't have Hunter Henry as an extra
blocker or Austin Hooper one of those guys.

Speaker 1 (59:20):
But you're gonna have to have a plan. Yeah, and
I can't just that plan is gonna takes with Miles Garrett.

Speaker 7 (59:27):
That's not a plan, no, I mean the more the
bigger problem might be Malie Collins inside against Jared Mason
grat He's, I mean, and Mason Graham two's rotational piece.
But you know, Malie Collins is right behind Freddie loved
Mason but is having a great season two. He's got
a lot of pressure, he's got a lot of sacks.

Speaker 1 (59:44):
He's right. So you can't double both those guys.

Speaker 7 (59:46):
So that's a matchup Watching Jared Wilson in that left
guard position against Malie Collins, that that could be almost
more interesting because it's harder to help your guard against
somebody like that, especially when you're.

Speaker 1 (59:55):
Trying to help the left tackle against.

Speaker 2 (59:57):
Drake also will be a big part of the protection.
I used to give Brady a lot of credit for
it in a different way because he did it with
his mind. I think Drake does it with his athleticism.

Speaker 1 (01:00:08):
Dan's in New Jersey.

Speaker 10 (01:00:09):
Hey, Dante, Fred, you're talking earlier about special teams, and
I agree with Fred.

Speaker 3 (01:00:18):
There they did.

Speaker 10 (01:00:19):
I kind of think they did fix the kickoff. Now
they need to do something about the on side kick,
and I guess they're talking about it again. Going back
to the idea of fourth and fifteen. Have you heard that?

Speaker 1 (01:00:31):
Yeah? Yeah, I hate that till oh really I hate
manufacturing that. It's like putting the runner on second base
an extra I love that. I don't. It's like, but
a fourth and fifteen is way too cuts.

Speaker 7 (01:00:43):
Where would you go if you really had to do
it like fourth and twenty?

Speaker 1 (01:00:47):
Like?

Speaker 6 (01:00:47):
Is that?

Speaker 7 (01:00:48):
I just don't just sounds like I don't thinks like, you.

Speaker 2 (01:00:51):
Know, we're going to have one play and that's going
to allow the team to get an extra possession.

Speaker 7 (01:00:55):
I don't not to mention like when you're an on
site kick, it's on your special teams to make the play.
Now you're asking your best player, your quarterback, and you
know your offensive weapons to make.

Speaker 2 (01:01:03):
What I don't like what they've done with the on
side kick is they've taken it out unless you're losing
in the fourth quarter, like you can't surprise.

Speaker 1 (01:01:10):
I don't why. That's why I don't like the whole
kickoff thing. Yep, all right, thanks Dan.

Speaker 2 (01:01:16):
But I don't know what the answer is. But that's
why I don't like the kickoff. I like the kickoff
the way it was. If you want to more kicks return,
then move the kickoff line back so it's harder to
have touchbacks.

Speaker 1 (01:01:26):
Yeah, Paul and the Colony writes in Evan is way off,
he says he's showing his true colors. He is more
about the draft than the team. I would always prefer
to know I have a QB capable of raising the
talent around him over wondering if he is the guy
and getting better draft picks.

Speaker 7 (01:01:46):
I mean, I like, I would agree with Evan if
you're talking about the difference between top five and fourteen. Oh,
you know those like like I can agree with him
In there. But the difference between the value of making
the playoffs and making a you know, for the organization.
For what did it mean to Washington last year?

Speaker 2 (01:02:05):
For me to Detroit to win that last game of
the year against green Bay, it was meaningless for them,
but not green Bay, you know, like that was huge
for the Lions. But you can't culture.

Speaker 7 (01:02:15):
Really measure that though, you know, Like that's what I mean,
Like it's hard to say, give me. That's why I
brought up the financial component, because you know, teams do
get paid money, So I mean, like, you know, you
know that if you.

Speaker 2 (01:02:23):
Want to tell me, like the Patriots should have lost
that last game against Buffalo to get the number one
overall pick absolutely yea or Okay, it wasn't as big
a deal to me as it was to other people.
But I understand that, Like so you're talking fourth to first,
like you didn't get anything from a culture building standpoint
by winning, not.

Speaker 7 (01:02:44):
Almost worse was to get more vitriolized.

Speaker 2 (01:02:46):
So there was nothing to be gained by winning the game. Okay,
but that's a rare occurrence. I just I feel like
the part that that I think Evan and a lot
of people Evan's not alone.

Speaker 1 (01:02:57):
By the way, a lot of people.

Speaker 2 (01:02:59):
Just always look at those draft picks like this hope
on the horizon, Like, I don't really understand why winning
two less games makes it more likely that you can
get Sam Laporte in the second round.

Speaker 1 (01:03:12):
Yeah, I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:03:13):
Like that's the pot. Like I think he's glossing over
how good of a job with Brad Holmes right the
GM for Detroit. Let's just say, for Detroit's GM, how
good of a job they did in nailing so many
of those picks. Yes, Penny Sewell was a top five pick,
they weren't all top five picks.

Speaker 7 (01:03:34):
And the Porta was in the mix of good tight ends,
but not like one of the standout It wasn't like that,
you know, the kid that from Penn State that went
Tyler Warren.

Speaker 1 (01:03:42):
They went to the Colts last year.

Speaker 2 (01:03:43):
You know, but even he was in the middle of
the round and so.

Speaker 7 (01:03:46):
Especially like I just I'm looking at him, like, Patriots
make the playoffs and they lose in the first round.
I would much rather take that and pick twenty second.
I just look at the not make the playoffs and
pick sixteenth Like that to me is a eligible difference that.

Speaker 2 (01:04:01):
I look at that video in the faces and the
looks on those guys faces, and the excitement and the
enthusiasm and the culture that you can see. You can
visibly see the culture building as we watch these every week.
I mean, but the emailers that make fun of me
and the callers that make fun of me you being
a curmudget are not wrong. I've been around a long time.
Not a lot of this stuff really sort of moves

(01:04:22):
the needle for me. Watching that video the other day
was like, I can see it. You can see the excitement.
It's a difference between the last two years with the
four wins. Mike, you keep saying like each loss just
kind of like perpetuated yourself.

Speaker 1 (01:04:35):
You can see it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:36):
Even guys that have been around like Fred and I
forever can see the difference. There's value to that.

Speaker 1 (01:04:43):
I'm not sure what's going on with I think so
they pushed it. They just got.

Speaker 2 (01:04:50):
You just got to push notification. Have some more.

Speaker 1 (01:04:55):
Dan, Dan you guys, Yeah, yeah, all.

Speaker 16 (01:05:02):
Right, So yeah, So I wanted to give one harp
on Paul, Paul and Bike actually actually Paul and mainly Evan.
We're talking about how they were saying, uh, the problems
this year. In the training camp was going to be, well,
we were gonna have we were gonna do good on
defense and probably struggle on offense. But it's been the
complete offenses. The offense is looking amazing. Absolutely, The defense

(01:05:25):
is just the defense is just you never really know
how they're gonna start, we're gonna finish, but they've been
finishing good. So I want to give some what Paul
thinks on his thoughts on that, on the defense and
how the players are playing so far.

Speaker 2 (01:05:39):
No, Okay, nailed it. I absolutely thought it would be
the opposite. And that's probably the thing that has me
most enthusiastic about what's going on is they're not winning
a lot of defensive struggles and beating bad teams just
because they couldn't score. No, their offense is moving the
ball against all these teams really well. Some games that

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they're scoring more than others, but they're moving the ball
pretty well in every game. Yeah, I thought it would
be the opposite. I thought the offense would struggle. And
the reason that I was sort of luke warm on
the whole season heading in was because of that. And
I you know, this is not an excuse because I
didn't It's not like I said it was going to happen,

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but I did keep saying. The one caveat is if
the quarterback makes an enormous step forward, and he did,
he has and he is, and that's why your offense
is as good as it is. That's the secret, sauce.
Once you get their quarterback, then everything else falls into place.

Speaker 1 (01:06:34):
Cameron writes in how soon everyone forgets that we beat
the Bills on Sunday Night Football three weeks ago? I've
had enough with everyone saying we haven't help any good teams.

Speaker 2 (01:06:43):
Who the hell has forgotten that?

Speaker 1 (01:06:45):
Well, he's saying anyone that says we haven't beaten any
good team, No one has said that.

Speaker 2 (01:06:49):
Everybody says they've had the easiest schedule in the league.

Speaker 1 (01:06:51):
That's a fact, but that's but you have beaten a
good team one. Okay, Panthers aren't too bad.

Speaker 2 (01:06:58):
Yeah, they are terrible as a matter of fact.

Speaker 1 (01:07:04):
Justin writes in Evan's gonna go home tonight, walk in
with his arms crossed and comically PLoP on his couch
and frustration. Jess is gonna ask him bad day at work,
and Evan's gonna mutter. Paul doesn't know ball and makes
me mad.

Speaker 2 (01:07:16):
Doesn't know he doesn't respect the draft.

Speaker 1 (01:07:18):
I don't think that.

Speaker 2 (01:07:19):
I don't. That's fat. Evan can make fun of me
for that and be accurate. I do not respect the draft.

Speaker 1 (01:07:24):
Gerald and Burlington writes in for five years, we've been
comparing about how poor the team is and suffering through
back to back for one seasons. Why would you not
want to win now? I would love the team to
go to an AFC Championship or even Super Bowl and
come up short and stink again. And the logic of
slow building is flawed. You can just as easily mess

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that up as you could drafting at pick thirty. To
Paul's point, look at Pittsburgh. They seem to be slow
building for over a decade and stuck at neutral. I
one hundred. Expect a regression next year and wins and
losses because of scheduled difficult The team may be better,
more talented, but the record worse in both as possible.

Speaker 2 (01:08:06):
That's another part of the two steps forward one step
back theory that I am strongly a proponent of. That
happens too. You could be a better team next year
and not win as many games. Yeah, that could happen.
You're just hoping it all kind of comes out in
the wash of that.

Speaker 7 (01:08:21):
I mean, I don't think drake Man can continue to
play at this level for the rest of his career.
I mean, this is pretty ridiculous, but i'd say defensively
and even a couple of places on offense. You feel,
like we said it before, they haven't really had a
chance to really remake this team the way they want
and they're and I mean, I don't know, I said
it like after week one or two, get a sense
there's some placeholders, and so the hope is that and again,

(01:08:44):
like most of these guys are coming back for better
or worse, whether you want them or not, whether you're
going to try to replace them. There isn't like, all right,
we got a lot of major holes that we have
to address, but they should have a chance of starting
a better starting position. And now can you start to
round things out and get some more of the players
to overextend and go crazy. But that's my hope, is
that you start to really build the team that you

(01:09:05):
want even more so, and that'll offset some of the
potential regression to the mean from drake Man in the.

Speaker 1 (01:09:09):
Office, Audrey writes in simple statement, winning is good. Winning
breeds more success. Winning brings it more buy in and
better free agents. Teams should always always win as much
as possible. The only exception would be the bottom five teams,
where draft position means much more like a possible quarterback. Philly,
for example, has had no problem gaining more talent and

(01:09:29):
often moving up in the draft if necessary.

Speaker 2 (01:09:32):
That's another example Philly. They've had low draft picks and
they're continuing to draft well every year.

Speaker 7 (01:09:38):
And that's a good example too of like a Kansas
city where yes, you're picking towards the bottom of the draft,
but you also have a good team. You don't have
a lot of critical, glaring needs that you probably have
to fill maybe once or twice, but you can sit
there and let the draft come to you and you're
not forced to have to take I mean, I get it.
If you're a rebuilding team, you need top five, top

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ten talent every year. And the Patriots are a great example.
They've turned it around primarily on the backs of those
guys that they drafted in the top half of the
draft over the last few years. But you know, there
is a certain advantage too when you're at the bottom
of the draft and you say, oh, then you know
Josh Simmons fell through. I know Josh Simmons probably made
bad example right now Josh Simmons, But.

Speaker 2 (01:10:17):
In all seriousness that that's a I don't know what
he's dealing with that personal thing. People seem to be
really really concerned.

Speaker 7 (01:10:23):
Sounds serious, but at the time, and maybe it will
eventually going forward like that's wow, they needed a left tackle.
They stay patient, they got one. He's looked pretty good
when he's been on the field. Now, I know there's
other issues, you know, so I just I think there is.
It's not like you're handcuffed to terrible talent and to
you guys. You know, like there are good players all
over the draft if you draft well.

Speaker 2 (01:10:43):
And I'm not saying I think I think Evan was
sort of saying, well, you just think it's easy to
do that. No, it's not. But when you're good, it's
easier to stay. I think it's easier to be good
than it is to just completely build it from the
studs up. I think that's hard. Yeah, I think you
have good players and you do what you say said

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and you're augmenting. Yeah, you know your level of talent.
It's is at a higher level. It should be easier,
not harder.

Speaker 7 (01:11:10):
Well, it's like maybe we don't need the best tight
end in the draft class.

Speaker 1 (01:11:13):
But guess what the best draft end. This best tight
end in the.

Speaker 7 (01:11:16):
Draft class just fell to you at twenty eight and
all right, all of a sudden, now you know, and
that's a little bit like I felt with you know,
like a pick like Jamior Gibbs, like for the Lions, like,
you know, did they have to take a running back.

Speaker 1 (01:11:26):
And like the top twelve or whatever? It was like
probably not.

Speaker 7 (01:11:29):
But now you have an opportunity where your line's in
good shape. You like what you're doing on defense. You
know you have some talent and you know now the.

Speaker 2 (01:11:36):
Line is they're good players and when you if if
you hit the picks, you know, Noael would be sitting
there like like if Jalen Polk turned out to be
as good as a Mecca Abuka, you didn't know would
be saying if they didn't win those games, they would

(01:11:57):
have had a higher draft pick. You know, like, no,
you picked the wrong guy. If he was Lad McConkie.
Let's use it for apples to apples. That was the
guy that was available. I got right. Yep, you just
have It's not easy. I'm not suggesting that you just
wave a magic Wand Bill did it really well for
a long time and then he couldn't do it at all.
So it's not easy even for the best who's ever

(01:12:17):
done it well.

Speaker 7 (01:12:17):
That was the other part of that argument that you know,
it's like, yeah, Bill did it until he didn't do
it and then it started falling apart. And now it's
the dam's got a number of cracks and you don't
have a Rabes touche.

Speaker 6 (01:12:33):
How are we doing.

Speaker 1 (01:12:35):
Cleveland's defense the best you will have faced?

Speaker 17 (01:12:41):
Yeah, I mean I think just statistically in play style,
you know, they're playing at a high level.

Speaker 6 (01:12:47):
They're playing a lot of confidence.

Speaker 17 (01:12:49):
It's a lot of speed, a lot of disruption, and
they don't give you a whole lot of time to
make decisions.

Speaker 6 (01:12:55):
Uh.

Speaker 17 (01:12:55):
And then there's enough you know, change ups in there
that you know you just have to be good.

Speaker 6 (01:13:01):
You have to be sound and you can't hold onto
the ball.

Speaker 17 (01:13:05):
You know, coverage is sticky and the linebackers are fast
side your your run defense. It doesn't matter when you
finishing stats and metrics is with the list of the league.

Speaker 4 (01:13:15):
Aside from the obvious talent, what is allowed to be.

Speaker 6 (01:13:18):
So good for seven leagues?

Speaker 17 (01:13:19):
Well, I think that we've improved our tackling. We've improved
continue to improve our technique, you know, and again it
hasn't been perfect, but it's it's just about coaching edge
wall and swarming and making sure that uh, you know,
we do those things and you know we've done them.
Sometimes we'll have to continue to do them. That's the

(01:13:40):
thing about this league is you don't stats and metrics,
numbers don't mean anything.

Speaker 6 (01:13:46):
You have to go out there and and be able
to prove it.

Speaker 17 (01:13:48):
And I know that they'll have a good plan, uh
for for how they want to run it. And it's
a physical group of alignemen and their tight ends are
blocking well you know, and Quen Shawn is rushing you know,
running hard physical So they've done a nice job.

Speaker 3 (01:14:07):
How was your block in your experience?

Speaker 9 (01:14:08):
How was a block?

Speaker 1 (01:14:09):
Handle?

Speaker 6 (01:14:09):
The level of success and good word the first of h.

Speaker 17 (01:14:14):
I mean, I think we always just try to stay consistent.
We've tried to say keep that message going, try to
have a you know, a new plan, new preparation, new
opponent each and every week, you know, try to celebrate
the success that we've had, but then clearly.

Speaker 6 (01:14:30):
Move on and and focus on the next challenge.

Speaker 17 (01:14:34):
And we'll have to do that this week, and uh,
you know it's a big one, you know, coming back
home and just making sure that you know, we don't
take anything for granted in our preparation. This is a
different unit, a different team than than Tennessee, and so
that we have to just get going, learn them, learn
a play style, uh, try to match their speed the

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best that we can in practice, and be ready to
go for it.

Speaker 6 (01:14:59):
H On some why did you kill Murphy from the
first time he pour?

Speaker 17 (01:15:04):
I just you know, he was a very productive college player,
and you know he's improved his fourth down ability and
has experience there.

Speaker 18 (01:15:13):
Kleon Jason was named the AFC Defender of the up
the league.

Speaker 2 (01:15:16):
Just what have you seen from him this season and
what does it mean for him to run that honor.

Speaker 17 (01:15:22):
I mean, he showed up in the offseason ready to
learn and work and earn a role, and he's done that.
And I would say that he's an important member of
the punt team, something that he's taken very seriously since
he got here and trying to do those things and
help us on the punt team, and then taking advantage

(01:15:43):
of his opportunities.

Speaker 2 (01:15:44):
Like to speak good special teams as a teammate and
a colleague overvent trouble.

Speaker 1 (01:15:49):
In the Quality's a demonstrated as a player and also
as a coach that may make.

Speaker 6 (01:15:54):
Him a future head coach.

Speaker 17 (01:15:56):
A great competitive spirits as a player, I mean, he
was a Tasmanian devil. Enjoyed a time with Bubba immensely
and then being able to be with him in Cleveland
last year. It was fun to just see his relationship
and connections with the players. The way that he coaches,

(01:16:19):
His energy is evaluation of players. So he's done a
great job in his role and I'm sure that if
presented with those opportunities he would he would do an
amazing job with any head coaching opportunities that would come
his way.

Speaker 7 (01:16:33):
Like you mentioned this offseason one play tag name coverage,
it feels like the past couple of weeks, you guys
have kind of gotten away from that as they go
more of a product of the game plan or your execution.

Speaker 6 (01:16:42):
Would actually play man probably a little bit of both.

Speaker 17 (01:16:45):
So when we play man, we got to not let
our man catch the ball, and we got to be
able to get to the quarterback and force them to,
you know, to get rid of it maybe before those
routes can separate or run away.

Speaker 19 (01:16:59):
On CP's question, a lot of times coaches say that
how teams responds success and adversity, and coaches that we
can see like how that how that translates. Have you
noticed anything specifically where you're interested to see how this
team would deal with success when you guys started stacking
you know.

Speaker 17 (01:17:16):
Fans, Well, first off, I don't know who CP is.
I apologize, I know Chris. I just didn't know CP.

Speaker 6 (01:17:26):
Yeah, we're just I don't really.

Speaker 17 (01:17:30):
We've tried to keep it the same and we've tried
to coach the same. We've tried to show them the
things that they've done well and that we have to
continue to do and enhance, show them the things that
we have to improve on and then eliminate the stuff
that that's going to get us beat coming out of
that game, and show them the corrections and the emphasis
that we put on the run game and the things
that we when we did it well, when we didn't

(01:17:51):
do it well, you know, Coach ball security, coach our identity,
our identity every single day.

Speaker 6 (01:17:57):
I don't know how else to do it. No, I
just you know, I mean.

Speaker 17 (01:18:03):
It's you kind of just got to stay consistent and
focus on these things and you know, practice it every day.

Speaker 1 (01:18:11):
Sorry.

Speaker 9 (01:18:11):
So you've been around Jim Schwartz last year obviously in.

Speaker 1 (01:18:14):
Tennessee to talk about identity.

Speaker 19 (01:18:16):
What would you how would you describe against his preferred
identity defense?

Speaker 17 (01:18:19):
Well, they're fast, you know, I mean, they're they're disruptive,
you know, they they they put pressure on the quarterback
and they do it through through their their players and
their identity, you know, I mean they're they're they understand
what they want to do and how they want to play,

(01:18:40):
and they want to force into mistakes.

Speaker 6 (01:18:43):
Uh. If if you give up loose.

Speaker 17 (01:18:44):
Plays or guys get on the edge of somebody or somebody,
you know, you've got an elite edge rusher on the outside,
and if you know you can't step up, it's gonna
be hard to to protect, you know. And then the
corners are going to be sticky, and you know, the
linebacker are all can run. Safeties are very good tacklers.
And that's the thing that I've noticed is that you know,

(01:19:05):
if a ball breaks, it's eight yards is a really
long run for this against this team, because the safeties
are such good tacklers, you know, Grant and Ronnie.

Speaker 19 (01:19:15):
What goes into winning a home game versus a road
game over years of football?

Speaker 6 (01:19:20):
Can it be?

Speaker 9 (01:19:21):
Can it be somewhat of a distraction being back home?

Speaker 6 (01:19:25):
No? I don't think the numbers would tell you that.

Speaker 17 (01:19:27):
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (01:19:28):
I mean, I think you play well, and you take
care of football.

Speaker 17 (01:19:31):
Create some explosive plays, get off the field on third down,
score touchdowns in the red zone. I would say that
no matter where you are, what time zone you're in,
that those things would always translate, and you know, maybe
the defensive communication would have to be improved or maybe

(01:19:51):
eye contact their hand signals as opposed to being able
to hear you know. I mean, if you're playing well
enough and your fans are into it, and there's it's loud,
you know, I mean communicating different things that are happening
that don't happen on the road. You could practically yell
out to the defense on the road as quiet as

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as it is allowed.

Speaker 19 (01:20:13):
Drake may be so appry.

Speaker 6 (01:20:17):
I mean I think that I think receivers are helping him.

Speaker 17 (01:20:19):
I think that the the ability to step up in
a pocket. But you know, I probably you know, special
talent as well, maybe staying calm and the things that
they've worked on and he's practiced as far as when
he's on the move, you know, to be able to
still gilt, stay in phase and not open up his

(01:20:40):
body or let things, you know, get loose, which would
lead lead to an erratic or an errant throw.

Speaker 19 (01:20:47):
Like we have a nasty about trail in a while,
Just what if anything in the way of an update
can you end?

Speaker 17 (01:20:51):
I would say that his spirits are good, he's feeling good,
he's been in he's been meeting with coaches, been in meetings.

Speaker 6 (01:20:58):
So I appreciate you asking, you.

Speaker 17 (01:21:01):
Know, and there'll be a treatment plan here coming up,
uh that he'll have to follow. But right now, it's
good to see him. It's good to see him in
and his you know, spirits are good.

Speaker 6 (01:21:14):
You've played against some of the greatest quarterbacks of all time.

Speaker 2 (01:21:19):
Are Marino Elway played with the greatest quarterback of all time?

Speaker 1 (01:21:23):
We just straight may fit into that conversation right now.

Speaker 17 (01:21:27):
I mean I never played those guys when they were
that young, but I did play against those guys. I
mean I played against Dan Marino when his cleat was
like twelve inches high because of his achilles and it
was on the dirt infield. Yeah, I you know, too
early in his career to understand. I think Drake's so

(01:21:49):
excited just to be leading this football team and it's
fun to watch him want to, you know, prepare and
get better and improve every day. You got another question
to I know you were kidding, what I mean, if
you've ever seen a quarterback get this hot for such
an extended period.

Speaker 6 (01:22:05):
I try not to focus on that.

Speaker 17 (01:22:06):
I think we focus on what's going on this week
and what corrections need to be made. And the good
thing is is there's a lot of things that we
can improve. There's so much that we can improve in
all three phases right and still be able to win
a football game. But we have to to improve on
them and correct them, you know, or we're gonna The

(01:22:29):
unfortunate part is is you're gonna have to learn from losing,
and I don't want to do that.

Speaker 19 (01:22:33):
Like, what are ongoing conversations and Drake about the slide,
you know, any.

Speaker 1 (01:22:38):
Contacts when he can is there? What are the conversations
like is in an ongoing process with him.

Speaker 3 (01:22:45):
Mark.

Speaker 17 (01:22:46):
I know we talked to him about making great decisions
like the rest of the team, and that would be
a good decision for him to make. But again, like
all the other conversations we have with players, those will
remain with us.

Speaker 6 (01:23:00):
But that's part of making great decisions. Thanks guys, Thanks Mike.

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And now great moments in history.

Speaker 11 (01:25:12):
People who have that talent are generally really good at
you're paid by numbers.

Speaker 1 (01:25:17):
I read music? What I read the sheet music? So
you do read music?

Speaker 11 (01:25:22):
Do you think that helps you? Your musical knowledge helps
you with your impressions, because you clearly have a gift
for that. Is it something how you can pick up
on how everyone's.

Speaker 1 (01:25:29):
Inside the actors studio?

Speaker 4 (01:25:30):
What are you laughing at over there?

Speaker 11 (01:25:32):
Well, I thought I did.

Speaker 1 (01:25:36):
I said, do you read music? Yeah? I said, because
I know you paint by number? I know I caught that.

Speaker 5 (01:25:40):
I ignored him, Fred, do you read music?

Speaker 11 (01:25:46):
Because you're good at impressions too, So you have that gift.

Speaker 1 (01:25:49):
I can play the harmonica by year? There you go, yeah,
and by my mouth. Oh but that's another great moment
from all right back here in Pages Unfiltered, Mike has
gone to the locker room to go rescue Evan.

Speaker 2 (01:26:07):
We hope that to a wellness check. Yeah, I hope
the players will be hoping to get Diggs. Diggs usually
talks on Wednesdays. We'll see if Mike can get in
on that one.

Speaker 1 (01:26:17):
So he'll return from the locker room and we'll talk
to him.

Speaker 2 (01:26:20):
You have any thoughts on Vrabel today kind of run
in the mill, I'll tell you very run of the
mill it might be. And I said this in the
postgame show Sunday after the game, and I mean this
with the most respect, like it was kind of like
a whole hum boring game, Like and how refreshing is
it that we've progressed to the point where you go

(01:26:42):
from four and two to five and two and it's
just like business as usual. This is what was supposed
to happen, right, you know, And I think Rabel's press
conference today was a little of that. It's like, yeah,
you know, we brought in a guy, Caleb Murphy. We
probably should have mentioned that at some point, you know,
they claimed him off waivers. I think we talked about
him a little, Yester. There's just a guy with a
lot of production in college, you know, Edge Rusher, Uh,

(01:27:04):
you know, but beyond that, just you know, Cleveland does
a lot of things well defensively.

Speaker 1 (01:27:10):
Yeah, there weren't a lot of Cleveland questions you but
you know, no, you're right, And so I mean the
media is kind of treating it like Hohome a little bit.
So I guess that's good. Like I've always been one
to say I don't need to be entertained when it
comes to Patriots games. I want to blow out every team.

(01:27:31):
I don't want to be white knuckle. I'll leave that
for all the other games. But obviously, when you have
those white knuckle it's entertaining. I'm not going to say
it isn't. But I'm perfectly happy winning thirty one to thirteen.

Speaker 2 (01:27:44):
Yeah, I would just I'm perfectly happy when my team
plays well, and that's why I win thirty one thirteen.

Speaker 1 (01:27:52):
Do you know what I mean? Yep. Yeah. We had
that Isaac from last week a lot yesterday who criticized
the show wholeheartedly criticized me. I noticed nobody, nobody defended
me when he was saying I had no knowledge of
the team. But that's besides the point.

Speaker 2 (01:28:10):
Well I don't think it was no knowledge period. Well yeah,
but they criticized everybody except for me. I felt left out.

Speaker 1 (01:28:17):
But Cynthia says, I'm fairly certain Isaac from Westfield's call
was a cry for help. Don't change a thing. Okay,
maybe the FedEx commercial and let Isaac know that therapy
could help and friends, he needs friends, so, and then
I was recommending neck bridges yesterday.

Speaker 2 (01:28:36):
I recall that as well.

Speaker 1 (01:28:37):
Yeah, Aarun writes in Fred's chiding inspired me to brush
off the old singlet and get some extra neckwork in
at the gym today. Keep fighting the good fight, Fred,
all of them. That's Aaron and Tokyo.

Speaker 2 (01:28:50):
You do have a lot of fights going on.

Speaker 1 (01:28:52):
I do. It's okay, keeps you know, keeps me moving.

Speaker 2 (01:28:55):
I have the reputation, but you have a lot more
in terms of grudges than I do.

Speaker 1 (01:28:59):
Yeah, but yours are apt to get you in trouble.
Mine not. Why am I going to because you know
you get into conference You're not.

Speaker 2 (01:29:05):
I am not confrontational.

Speaker 1 (01:29:07):
Yes you are. No, I am, Yes you are. Yes
you are.

Speaker 2 (01:29:11):
I'm indifferent. There's a difference.

Speaker 1 (01:29:14):
Franklin and Baltimore has the all important question. Am I
me emotionally prepared to lose this game?

Speaker 9 (01:29:23):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:29:23):
That is a great question, remember those Yeah, I'm not,
by the way, and I have to say that I
am you, Yes, I am. Well, we're halfway through the
week of shows. I mean more than halfway at this point.
I am just throwing this on me.

Speaker 1 (01:29:38):
Now, I'm emotionally prepared to lose. I don't want to lose.

Speaker 6 (01:29:44):
To lose.

Speaker 2 (01:29:44):
Clock comes around tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (01:29:45):
If we lose, I'm not going to be like, I
can't believe we lost that game. How did it happen?
I'm not going to be that. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:29:52):
If I would say I can't believe it, I don't
know how that happened, you know, but i'd be close. Yeah,
i'd be close.

Speaker 1 (01:30:00):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:30:00):
The only thing I would say, you know, Evan has
been really dismissive of Cleveland, and I wouldn't go as
far as he has. I don't think that the Patriots
would need to do what they did against Pittsburgh and
turn it over five times, like I think one or two.
You know, if if they had one or two, you
could lose because they could slow you down a little bit.

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They could help Cleveland score some points. You don't have
to help them score all the points. Yeah, and they
you know, they could pull an up set. I just
this is just no offense there. This is a really
bad offense. Jack, and I'm not emotionally prepared to lose. Fred,
You're alona that one.

Speaker 1 (01:30:36):
Okay, Jack? And and Abba has a stud or stiff
Brown's edition, stutter stiff, Jerry Judy stiff, Dylan Gabriel.

Speaker 2 (01:30:50):
Stiff. I mean, I think it's too early to say,
but I think.

Speaker 1 (01:30:52):
He's stutter stiff, Quin Shawn Judkins, Stud, Miles Garrett. I
think we know Stud. Mason Graham.

Speaker 2 (01:31:00):
I don't know him. I haven't seen him play much.

Speaker 1 (01:31:02):
But Jerry's out. Jerry's still I haven't.

Speaker 2 (01:31:04):
Seen Cleveland play, so I don't know exactly what he's doing.

Speaker 1 (01:31:07):
Jerry's still out. Anthony writes in Paul maybe snarky, but
he's very good at the debating aspect. He will not
allow any of the fans who call her email to
stray away from a specific arguing point. I think that
isn't he learned that from me. I think that isn't
always easy. It is very good. Perfect example of this
was the Christian in La call kudos to Paul, and

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Jason says he's in Savannah. He says the La guy
is a dufus so self centered. He thinks he's self centered.
I could see that.

Speaker 2 (01:31:40):
Like I said, he you can have an argument and
disagree or agree or whatever. I did not change my
argument in the middle right, and that's what he's claiming. Like, Oh,
you just want to make fun of me when I call,
and then a half hour later you're agreeing with me.
I don't agree with wanting to lose. I don't agree
with being war that they're not quite as good? Are

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they not quite as good as their record? Maybe? But
I'm not worried about it. Right, win, win the games,
take advantage of the schedule, and why not.

Speaker 1 (01:32:10):
To that point, Corey writes in if we get to
a point where our biggest worry becomes drafting lower on
the board and sustaining future success, I will take that
every time. The fact that we have to focus on
sustaining success means we are experiencing success. After the last
couple of four win seasons, it seems weird to worry
about a few lower round draft picks that may or

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may not be good players.

Speaker 2 (01:32:34):
Yeah, I mean that's kind of what I'm what I'm
going on, You know what, you want something to worry about,
just like looking at to manufacture things to be concerned about.
I heard on my show yesterday, you know, at Felger
and Big Jim Murray, they were talking a little bit
about the draft class, like this current draft class not
a good one. Well, the jury is still out. Okay,
we don't know enough yet, but like the early returns

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are just okay, like they're not great.

Speaker 1 (01:32:59):
Oh oh are Yeah? I thought you meant the future
draft class for next year.

Speaker 2 (01:33:03):
No, I mean like Will Campbell's been okay, yeah, no, no,
it's you know, yeah, Traveon Henderson has been you know, minimally.

Speaker 1 (01:33:10):
Kyle Williams not too Kyle.

Speaker 2 (01:33:11):
Williams, you know, not great. You know the Craig Woodson
has been a starter and he plays all the time,
but he's just.

Speaker 1 (01:33:19):
Okay, was Bora gollisworth the pick?

Speaker 2 (01:33:22):
I don't you know my answer to that? No, I
think he's a good kicker.

Speaker 6 (01:33:27):
So well.

Speaker 2 (01:33:27):
The rest of them, you don't have to draft them.
All the kickers are the same. They tell you that
all the time. There is three or four that stand
out among the rest, like Brandon Aubery, who's now made
five sixty plus yard field goals, which is amazing. That guy. Yeah,
if you drafted him, sure that's worth it. That's a weapon.
The rest of them are all kind of the same.
But you want something to worry about, like, wet is

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this class going to live up to the right because
we already look at the twenty four class, the Drake
May class and it's really just Rake May. Yep, that
ain't good. But when you have the third overall pick, No,
when you have the third overall pick was the year
before you you're picking third in the round all every round?
Or are you're picking in the top five in the round.

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I know sometimes it rotates depending on ties. You need
to get more than one good player.

Speaker 1 (01:34:17):
Yeah right, yep, Chris and main. I agree with Paul
about winning as much as possible, not worrying about higher
picks the build or sustain up. The better example for
his argument, in my opinion, is the round the ROMs.
They went like five years without a first round pick,
yet have consistently found good players to stay good.

Speaker 2 (01:34:36):
In the draft. Two. Yes, that's a great, great point
that there's more team like. I'm glad these emailers are
helping me because I'm not even thinking of all the
different teams. I just like threw out like Baltimore and Pittsburgh,
but like Philadelphia that we had Audrey I think emailed
in that one is another good one. The Rams, like
those those defensive players weren't top five picks if they

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got that defense with you know with Verse and uh,
you know Fisk and those guys, they've been good players
for them.

Speaker 1 (01:35:04):
Steven in Virginia writes in to Evans's point about the
potential missed opportunities that come with drafting later in the draft,
with the Lions as his example. In the twenty twenty
three draft, Detroit had the twelfth and eighteenth pick in
the first round. They took Gibbs twelve, Campbell eighteen. There
were zero running backs taken the rest of the first round.

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The next taken win fifty two overall, and the next
linebacker taken was Nolan Smith at thirty. Really an edge
not a true linebacker. It's impossible to know how the
draft would have played out if they had different picks
that first round, but it also isn't impossible that they
could have gotten one or even both of them if
they were picking say sixteen and twenty three, instead resulting

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from one or two more wins that season. The Commanders
only had five picks in last year's draft, with only
three in the top one fifty. They added Tunsul and
Debo via trade, but that, to me is a clear
high risk team building strategy that the Patriots should look at.
And probably avoid this offseason. Winning is most important. Establishing

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a good culture that expects to win and compete is
most important, because then players around the league want to
come here. The players here get experience actually winning close games,
and when you add free agency or draft picks, it
becomes easier to get buy in when the rest of
the team has an established standard that is sustainable. There
you go. Once you forward that to.

Speaker 2 (01:36:32):
Evan, yeah, I mean I the first part, and I
know he wasn't saying this, Like, you don't know how
Jamier Gibbs, how long he would have been available. He
was a highly regarded player in that draft. Jack Campbell
they could have gotten. They could have waited and gotten
Jack Campbell. I'm not suggesting that it's not good to

(01:36:55):
draft high. I'm just saying that's not the only way
to get good players. You have to hit the picks
wherever you take them. You have to hit some picks right.

Speaker 1 (01:37:04):
Right, invest in good scouting department.

Speaker 2 (01:37:09):
It's like, you know, you just brought up Booty a
little while ago. They got Booty and Douglas in the
sixth round three years ago, and you know they took
Kyle Williams in the third round they took Jalen Polk
in the second round. You know the guys they took
in the sixth round three years ago of playing better.
That's right, Like you just you never know when you're
going to find players.

Speaker 1 (01:37:30):
Uh eight five five Pats five hundred is the hotline again.
Deucibly back with news from the locker room. We'll have
an eye on Evan. We'll see what happened in there.
Raheem in Georgia is on the line. What's up, Raheem Rahim,
Georgia four or four? Nope, not there?

Speaker 2 (01:37:52):
Okay, but you thrown out the area code?

Speaker 1 (01:37:55):
Oh I got that from this morning? Did you're here?
On the one of your shows, they had this guy
that works he's I don't know if he's an intern
or back, but he used to work for the four
one one, you know how they used to call on
a person. So this kid they quizzed him and he
knew all the area codes all over the country.

Speaker 2 (01:38:12):
Really.

Speaker 1 (01:38:13):
Yeah, they go like San Antonio, be like eight one two,
you know, or then they go eight one two and
he goes San Antonio.

Speaker 2 (01:38:19):
That's amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:38:20):
Yeah, so he knew all the area codes. It was fun.
Eldred's in North Carolina. What's up, Eldred? Oh god?

Speaker 7 (01:38:31):
Hey, hey Paul, Yes, sir.

Speaker 16 (01:38:37):
You like me very confrontational.

Speaker 3 (01:38:39):
Hey, I love it.

Speaker 10 (01:38:40):
I love argument.

Speaker 2 (01:38:44):
I'm not as confrontational as Fred is me confrontational.

Speaker 13 (01:38:48):
But Fred Afred you do it, you man, You're sneaky
at it though.

Speaker 1 (01:38:53):
Yes, I'm an instigator. Paul's a finisher, an instigator.

Speaker 9 (01:39:03):
Are you I need my T shirt?

Speaker 1 (01:39:05):
Oh? You need your T shirt? Okay? Alex? Yeah, Ronnie,
you just gotta send us your.

Speaker 9 (01:39:12):
Last week I said thirty one thirteen.

Speaker 2 (01:39:14):
There you go, send them a T shirt?

Speaker 6 (01:39:16):
You go.

Speaker 1 (01:39:16):
What's your size? Aldrid?

Speaker 2 (01:39:18):
Send the man his T shirt? What do you need
for a size? Biggie?

Speaker 1 (01:39:22):
Two weeks two x two? As they sitting down in
that truck too long? Big boy gotta start doing those planks, all.

Speaker 14 (01:39:30):
Right, flanks and what everything else?

Speaker 6 (01:39:32):
All right?

Speaker 1 (01:39:32):
Emailing your emailing your address?

Speaker 2 (01:39:35):
Yeah, he still take care of you.

Speaker 1 (01:39:36):
All right? Okay, thanks, Aldrid.

Speaker 2 (01:39:40):
What's the score this week?

Speaker 10 (01:39:43):
Go this week?

Speaker 2 (01:39:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 16 (01:39:45):
Man, I'm sitting at Deepen, so I'm gonna say twenty twenty.

Speaker 1 (01:39:50):
Three twenty to okay, okay, you don't think all right?

Speaker 2 (01:39:57):
All right?

Speaker 1 (01:39:57):
That sounds good to me. I'll take it, Thanks, Eldrid.
I'll take that. Ted's in San Diego. What's up?

Speaker 6 (01:40:03):
Ted?

Speaker 11 (01:40:05):
All?

Speaker 3 (01:40:05):
Hey, Freddy Paul. Just three quick comments, first of which
was the stumble by cam Wood when he flipped the
ball back into the end zone was reminiscent of back
in the early seventies. I'm not sure if Paul do
you remember this, but there was a running back name
John Tarver, and he almost did the exact same thing

(01:40:26):
where he was running with the ball and just flipped
it over his head into the end zone and was
recovered by BuNos. Remembered, was very reminiscent.

Speaker 1 (01:40:33):
Similar play reminds me of Gario PREMI.

Speaker 2 (01:40:36):
Well, I didn't have to go back that far. I
could go back to the plate that cam Wood made
in the previous game. He did the exact same thing
against the Raiders.

Speaker 3 (01:40:42):
Yeah right, SoC Second quick observation as well, a couple
of days ago, I guess I asked it was yesterday
when you guys were having was going over some of
the potential inductees that builds up against and one of
the names he mentioned this is quick comment Bill Arnsbarger,
which I know you guys remember, but I think that

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Bill let's be the architect of the fifty three defense.
At least I think he was. And if that's true,
that's like one of the legendary teams and defenses. And
I think I believe that fifty three defense was the
initiation for the first time of a fourth linebacker, because
I think most teams played a four to three and

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I think when they brought in that fifty three I
think it his name was Mathison and something like that,
he became the fourth linebacker. So and I believe that
Arnsbarker was the architect of that. And then my last
comment and alog you guys going thanks for the moment,
is you know, whenever you and Paul, I think you
mentioned that the four team of the six team is

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being the greatest team. And maybe it's because of my youth,
but I still think about that seventy six team. Even
though they did not win, they beat the Steelers, who
were a legendary team back then, and they beat the
Raiders during this season.

Speaker 1 (01:42:00):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:42:01):
And I still think that seventy sixteen was the greatest
pass team of all time with a number of Hall
of Famers and legendary Patriots.

Speaker 2 (01:42:08):
It's in the conversation for sure. That's probably my first
memories of watching Patriots games was that team. Thanks Ted
and Bill Ansberger was a great defensive coach. I don't
know anything about you know fifty three. I don't even
know what that is, to be honest with you, I
don't know anything about the history of that. But yeah,
I did correct Evan when he didn't know the guys. Now,

(01:42:31):
oh you know, that's a that's a legitimate defensive newby coach.

Speaker 1 (01:42:36):
Newby newby John in South Carolina. I do feel like
Paul disagrees with Christian from LA and I want to
thank him for doing it.

Speaker 2 (01:42:46):
I do tend to disagree with him. I'm not denying that.

Speaker 1 (01:42:53):
Let's see, this is a long one, so I don't
want to read that. Martin not a Kansas. I'm enjoying
the second half of the shows on Wednesday with the
two of you. Okay, it's just the two.

Speaker 2 (01:43:06):
Of us, you know, because the original is always the best.

Speaker 1 (01:43:10):
I haven't had this feeling in a while. I'm more
worried about the next two games after the Browns. They
might not be an easy check off the schedule, but
still penciled in a win. Also, if you're more worried
about draft pick position than winning. That's a loser's mentality.
This is why the Patriots have a scouting team, Elliot
Wolf as well as the scouting staff to find the

(01:43:30):
players that fit the culture. Yeah, let them worried.

Speaker 2 (01:43:34):
It's not going to be easy, but that's what Yeah,
those guys, that's what they get paid for. Brian Cowden,
Elliott Wolf, whoever ends up being you know, part of this,
the you know, the scouting department, that's that they need
to find players regardless of what we're picking.

Speaker 1 (01:43:47):
Uh, Brian and Swansea with a midweek game. This game
is called Cleveland Quarterback or Game of Thrones cast member. Okay,
this game was inspired upon reflection on how lucky we
are to have apparently found our guy at quarterback in
a relatively short period of time. After Tom Brady's departure.
Cleveland Browns have had thirty three different players start at

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quarterback over the last twenty seasons. I'm going to list
a name and the panel simply has to indicate whether
he started at quarterback for the Browns or was an
actor in the Game of Thrones. So not a character
but an actor.

Speaker 2 (01:44:24):
Okay, jeez, this is going to come down to whether
or not I know he was a quarterback for the Browns.

Speaker 1 (01:44:30):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:44:34):
Connor Shaw quarterback for the Browns.

Speaker 1 (01:44:36):
Correct. Rory McCann, I'm gonna guess Game of Thrones, that's correct.
Kevin Hogan, Stanford quarterback for the Browns. Correct. Thaddeus Lewis
another Browns quarterback, yes, Deshown Kaiser.

Speaker 2 (01:44:55):
Another Browns quarterback, Notre Dame.

Speaker 1 (01:44:57):
That's right, Freddy Stroma.

Speaker 2 (01:45:00):
I'm gonna guess Game of Thrones, correct.

Speaker 1 (01:45:02):
And finally Austin Davis.

Speaker 2 (01:45:04):
That's another Browns quarterback out of balls one hundred.

Speaker 1 (01:45:10):
Sorry, uh, this is Brian Boy. You tried, but you
didn't do it. You couldn't stump to Schwab.

Speaker 2 (01:45:17):
I liked that game though. Yeah, that's a good one
because some of those names were really obscure.

Speaker 1 (01:45:22):
Yeah, but he had mostly Cleveland. I think he only
had two Game of Thrones people, so I.

Speaker 2 (01:45:28):
Think, yeah, I mean most of it's Yeah. I guess
you could go either way. Yeah, because the actors names
are well known, but that the guys who actually played
quarterback on the brown should be known too. I got
any bonus points for knowing that something where some of
those guys went to college.

Speaker 1 (01:45:43):
I was listening to that. You do get bonus points
for that. Yep, let's see. Kudos to Gerrod Mayo. This
is Gary from Football City, USA, which is rock Hill,
South Carolina. Yes, you heard it right. Forever thankful for
Gerard Mayo. If Gerard did not win the last regular

(01:46:04):
season game last year, we would be sitting with Caleb
Williams as our quarterback instead of Drake. Patriots fans were
livid when we lost the number one PA. Stop for
a second, yeah, yeah, go ahead.

Speaker 2 (01:46:16):
I don't know how this started, but this is just
patently wrong. When they won the last game of the
year last year, Drake may was standing on the sidelines
watching the game. Winning the game did not prevent them
from drafting Caleb Williams.

Speaker 1 (01:46:32):
It didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:46:33):
He had been drafted the previous season, two picks before
Drake may was. It's not the same year. I don't
know why everybody gets this wrong. My show gets it
wrong quite often, right in the morning one of my show.
It's not the show that I'm usually on. Yep, seriously,
that you have the years are off. In all seriousness,

(01:46:54):
do you understand what I'm saying? Because you're looking you're
looking at me a little confused. Right, last year, the
Patriots already he had Drake May. He's not a rookie
right now, right, he was already on the team last year.
Winning the game against Gerard May or winning the Buffalo game,
did not do anything to Drake May. He was already
on the Patriots.

Speaker 1 (01:47:11):
He was already on the Patriots.

Speaker 2 (01:47:12):
Thank you. Yep, this public service announcement is over.

Speaker 1 (01:47:17):
So let's just say that the Patriots had had the
first round pick, the first overall pick, in the year
that they drafted Drake May, who was the quarterback picked
ahead of him.

Speaker 2 (01:47:32):
And when Drake May was drafted, Caleb Williams, Jayden Daniels,
Drake May won two three.

Speaker 1 (01:47:37):
Okay, So why couldn't they have drafted Caleb Williams. They
had the third pick, I know, But if they had
the first pick, could they have drafted.

Speaker 2 (01:47:48):
If they had the first pick, they could have. It
had nothing to do with beating Buffalo, to do.

Speaker 1 (01:47:53):
With beating Buffalo. I see what you're saying. It's a
different year. I see what you're saying.

Speaker 2 (01:47:56):
Okay, they had the third pick the year they picked
Drake May.

Speaker 1 (01:48:00):
They didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:48:00):
They had nothing to do with winning the last game.

Speaker 1 (01:48:02):
Didn't pick Drake May this year?

Speaker 2 (01:48:04):
Is what bank Bill Belichick for going four and thirteen
that allowed you to get Drake May.

Speaker 1 (01:48:09):
There you go, there you go now. But I think
the question just just to talk about it. If they
had the choice of Caleb Williams or Drake May, who
do you think this staff would have picked?

Speaker 2 (01:48:22):
I have absolutely no idea. I really can't intelligence or
Jade Daniels for that matter. If they had their choice
of any of the quarterbacks, who would they have taken?

Speaker 1 (01:48:31):
I have no idea. Well, let's thank god that they
picked Drake May and they only had one choice.

Speaker 2 (01:48:39):
I would agree with that they didn't really have. I
think the choices were those top three guys and the
other three guys that went in the first round. I
don't think we're legitimate options. Had three, now you could.
I think you can make an argument that they had
a legitimate option to take a trade. I think the
Giants wanted to move up. I think Minnesota wanted to
move up. I think you could have said r J. McCary,

(01:49:02):
take a couple of you know, we'll take a couple
of picks for you to move up, and we can
take you know, the next quarterback, right, you know, whether
it be Pennix or McCarthy or Nicks. I don't think
any of those three guys was a legitimate option at
number three overall? Would you agree?

Speaker 1 (01:49:19):
I agree? Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:49:21):
Now, if they had their choice of any of those three,
I probably think they would have taken Caleb Williams. But
I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:49:26):
I don't really know. I don't. Yeah, that's one of
those you never really Why do you think people are
getting that wrong?

Speaker 2 (01:49:33):
And there I don't think because they said it on
the Sports Hub. John Wallack said it one day. I
think I told you about this like three weeks ago. Like,
I can't believe that they're actually saying this, and no
one's like stepping into correct it.

Speaker 6 (01:49:47):
It's like.

Speaker 1 (01:49:49):
From the locker room, what was the mood where the
player's friendly to that, none of them, like Henry, what
was it like like Mike, Hey, guys, you come in
with a big smile.

Speaker 13 (01:50:05):
Sorry.

Speaker 7 (01:50:06):
It just cracks me up every time and I feel
slightly bad.

Speaker 1 (01:50:08):
Oh, I thought it was something that happened a lot. No, well,
it probably looked like he was making a really important
point and then we just we cut him right off.

Speaker 2 (01:50:13):
For some reason, there seems to be confusion because they
won the game. Thank god they won the game last year,
the last game, because that allowed them to get the
fourth pick instead of the first pick, and they did.
They would have taken Caleb Williams instead of Drake May
Caleb Williams, oh instead of Drake and O. Yeah yeah, yeah, Okay,
they're off.

Speaker 1 (01:50:33):
Yeah, whoops.

Speaker 7 (01:50:35):
That happens from time to time. But yes, back from
the locker room. Heard from Stefan Diggs, as we always do,
always enjoy that. I thought young Evans are asked the
questions just about his leadership and you know where that
came from, and that was interesting thing said.

Speaker 1 (01:50:47):
You know, that's why they brought me in too, you know,
to be a leader.

Speaker 7 (01:50:50):
And he pointed to Matt Collins as well as providing
some leadership from that room.

Speaker 1 (01:50:53):
I know there's the point we've talked a lot about that.

Speaker 7 (01:50:55):
Those guys have really you know, brought a good energy
to that room and you're seeing some production, he pointed
to to the younger players, you know, showing leadership, stepping up,
being competitive.

Speaker 2 (01:51:05):
So good stuff from Diggs.

Speaker 7 (01:51:06):
You know, also talking about you know, winning at home
and you know, just trying to stay sharp and keep
it rolling. And her from Will Campbell as well. I
thought a good question from Phil Perry. You know, it's
seven weeks in. Do you feel like you've proved some
people wrong? There were some questions about your you know,
arm link and those kind of things, and what position
you might play, and Will Campbell said, you know, to
be honest, I never really approached anything about proving anyone wrong.

(01:51:28):
Like none of that pre draft talk helped helped me
in any way. I've just been focused on coming in
here and trying to help the team.

Speaker 2 (01:51:34):
So, you know, I thought he was going to say,
well it takes three years, right, He's like, no, I
felt that way after the second game.

Speaker 1 (01:51:40):
But he also told the story that her before.

Speaker 7 (01:51:42):
He told on one of the radio on the podcasts
you Want about someone sending him the t Rex and
asking for an autograph and and they said.

Speaker 1 (01:51:50):
You know, Dann Roach was like, well, what did you
do when you got it?

Speaker 7 (01:51:52):
That kind of take your back saying no, I checked
the return address though, and it was in his locker somewhere.
But and then the last one was calebon Cha. I
saw im just talking about winning AFC.

Speaker 1 (01:52:02):
Defensive Player of the week first touchdown of his career.

Speaker 7 (01:52:06):
He said some of his he's getting a lot of
flak from some of his teammates about not having a
sack dance, and he's like, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:52:11):
You're gonna come up with a new sack dance now.
He's like, no, man, I'm six years in.

Speaker 7 (01:52:14):
So he was excited, sent the touchdown ball back to
his mom, who was excited to receive it, and otherwise
just another good day of energy.

Speaker 1 (01:52:22):
Getting ready to head.

Speaker 2 (01:52:22):
Out there to the practice fields.

Speaker 7 (01:52:24):
Felt huge media contingent again, just I mean, crowded in
around Stefan Diggs.

Speaker 1 (01:52:29):
It's anyone new and notable.

Speaker 7 (01:52:32):
I don't know about notable so much as but no,
it's it's just it, you know what it is.

Speaker 1 (01:52:36):
It always seems like the TV producers are the ones growing.
Like the beat.

Speaker 7 (01:52:39):
Guys are always there, you know who writes about the team,
there here for everything. But you slowly start to see
more cameras and more producer types, not necessarily asking questions,
but guys there with their cameras holding the mics and
so yeah, it's just overall continuation of what we've seen
over the last few weeks. Good energy, everybody getting ready
to head out to practice here.

Speaker 1 (01:52:57):
Good, and how's Evan. We're a little worried about it.
I talked to him. I talked to him.

Speaker 7 (01:53:02):
He was still really mad, really mad.

Speaker 2 (01:53:06):
But he was laughing.

Speaker 1 (01:53:07):
He's like, you guys have fun. While I laughed. I'm like,
you did.

Speaker 2 (01:53:12):
I mean, we kept going because it ends. Yeah, you
know what I mean, it's like it's no fun when
the guys, I know, I know.

Speaker 1 (01:53:18):
No, he was fired up.

Speaker 6 (01:53:20):
Yeah, so Evan was.

Speaker 7 (01:53:21):
He was doing some lurk and I saw him, you know,
talking to Kyle Williams a little bit on the side,
so you know, evn Evan does his onn thing, but
he wasn't on digs too, and got his question and
I thought it was a was a good question.

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Speaker 7 (01:56:58):
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the Bruins performance last night, let's just say I saw
that game.

Speaker 1 (01:57:05):
I'm surprised there was only one goal.

Speaker 2 (01:57:08):
Yeah, I was surprised they made the comeback because they
look like they were thoroughly outclassed the first two periods
and then all of a sudden, Now at.

Speaker 1 (01:57:13):
Florida is really beat up. Can I tell you that
lost like four in a row before that. Florida scored
like two minutes in on a power play, and then
I clucked it off. I'm not watching this. Wake me
up in you know, May draft?

Speaker 2 (01:57:26):
Yeah, May, that's draft. But the good thing is they'll
have a good draft pack. Yeah, we'll just bring it
full perfect eight.

Speaker 1 (01:57:33):
Five to five past five hundred is the hot line.
Let's go to North Carolina. Francisco's on the line. What's up, Francisco?

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Guys?

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Speaker 13 (01:57:43):
Hey, hey, So I'm going to because.

Speaker 1 (01:57:49):
He doesn't need to be.

Speaker 13 (01:57:50):
You can't you can't make it. You can't make a
playoff run if you're not in the playoffs. So I'd rather,
I'd very much rather be picking towards the end. And
as long as you draft right, you're gonna get better
any position. You're telling me you can't get at least
three players from the draft, but that's all I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:58:07):
So I just wanted to call and to been that
you can't.

Speaker 13 (01:58:10):
You cannot make a playoff run if.

Speaker 10 (01:58:11):
You're not in a playoffs.

Speaker 1 (01:58:12):
That is sound logic to me.

Speaker 7 (01:58:14):
Francisco Quick Quick points to tie it back to the
nineties teams like you never know when the number one
seed Broncos are going to lose, and you know that
team that's kind of owned you, and you know, all
of a sudden, an opportunity opens up and here we are. We're,
you know, in the super Bowl just because it lined
up that year. His point, you don't have that opportunity to.

Speaker 2 (01:58:29):
And I just look at, you know, even a bigger pitcher.
There are years like if this was last year, the
way Buffalo is playing, the way Kansas City was playing,
the way Baltimore was playing, I would have said, yeah,
you're gonna get in, but you're going to be fodder. Yeah,
you know for any of those teams, you don't have
a shot. I don't feel like that right now. I

(01:58:50):
think that the AFC is wide I think the league
in general is wide open. I don't think it's a
very good league this year, and I think there's a
lot of good teams, but there really isn't I would
say a great one that I've seen, not yet. The
Colts have played well, and I've been impressed with what
they have doing. I just don't look at them as
a great team right now that they have the best record,
right yeah, you know, should they just like you know,

(01:59:11):
are they a year ahead of schedule? I don't know.
With Daniel Jones, is that sustainable? Should they not want
to win?

Speaker 1 (01:59:18):
Running the ball, get good defense?

Speaker 2 (01:59:21):
Hey, you never know when you're going to get an
opportunity to make a run.

Speaker 1 (01:59:24):
Did we mention that Chase On got his mike literally
just well I mentioned it. We didn't really we didn't
really spend much time on it. But yeah, he did.

Speaker 7 (01:59:31):
The AFC Defensive Player of the Week, first two SAT game,
first touchdown. You know, he's excited and I wrote a
little bit about it. Just the guy, first round pick,
twentieth overall. I mean, he's now a half sack from
tying his career high from last year that he set
with the Raiders.

Speaker 1 (01:59:45):
So it's kind of clicking for him, I think.

Speaker 7 (01:59:47):
And he just seems in this defense where they're just
asking you go get Seaball, get ball, he's able to
use his quickness, his length and now it's been a
really good sign.

Speaker 1 (01:59:56):
Okay, I don't want to do trade that line stuff.
There's a lot of emails about the trade deadline, which
is let's see November eight, eight twelve days away, less
than two weeks is the trade deadline. So we'll get
into that as we get closer. I'm not expecting anything big,
are you big? Probably not, But I'm expecting a moving

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me too, Me too. I'm expecting a running back. Uh
henryk from Norway. He says, thank you for always having
interesting and fun conversations about the Patriots in the NFL
in general, listening to Unfiltered helps us understand so much
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Speaker 2 (02:00:53):
I'd be absolutely interested in it for the right price.

Speaker 1 (02:00:56):
Hey, everybody's got a price. Have some questions regarding the
arm strength and arm talent between quarterbacks in the NFL.
Can you please rank the top ten quarterbacks with the
strongest arm currently playing in the league? And also can
you also rank the top ten quarterbacks with the strongest
arm of all time? Wow? And one more, please rank

(02:01:17):
the top ten quarterbacks with best arm of all time?
So best versus strong? And he's got his own lists.
I don't know do we want to get into this.

Speaker 2 (02:01:26):
I can't do this all right?

Speaker 1 (02:01:28):
List of So he's got three categories strongest arm. This
is now current time, current, all time strongest.

Speaker 2 (02:01:36):
I would say Josh Allen strong second, and then.

Speaker 1 (02:01:38):
All time with the best arm. So he differentiates best and.

Speaker 2 (02:01:43):
So what's his list of top ten current strongest arms?
Current current?

Speaker 1 (02:01:48):
Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes, Justin Herbert, Matthew Stafford, Aaron Rodgers,
Drake may Dak Prescott, Trevor Lawrence Baker, Mayfield, Joe Burrow, KAYLEB.

Speaker 2 (02:02:00):
Williams belongs on that list.

Speaker 1 (02:02:01):
Hey, Joe Milton has a stronger arm than all of them.

Speaker 2 (02:02:03):
It's not a quarterback. Who what's the next list about
a quarterback? He's not a starting quarterback.

Speaker 1 (02:02:09):
Okay, he didn't say starting quarterback. You have to play
to have a strong Okay, all right, all time lists
with the strongest arm. John Elway, I.

Speaker 2 (02:02:16):
Would agree with that. Brett Farva, I would agree with
that too.

Speaker 1 (02:02:19):
Jeff Georgia, Oh, greater one, yep, good one. Michael Vick, yeah,
Jay Cutler, yeah, Josh Allen Mahomes, Rogers, Marino, yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:02:31):
I mean hearts argue with any of the guys on
this and Tom Brady, I don't know. Not the strongest arm,
but they're good enough arm yep. And then like the
best arm Tom Brady.

Speaker 1 (02:02:41):
So he's got Tom Brady at top of best arm
that he's got, Dan Marino, Aaron Rodgers, Joe Montana, Peyton Manning,
Drew Brees, John Elway, Brett Farvara, Patrick Mahomes, and Dan Fouts.

Speaker 2 (02:02:57):
Yea heart to argue with his name.

Speaker 1 (02:02:59):
I want to know definition of best arm because if
best arm is accuracy, okay.

Speaker 2 (02:03:04):
It's a cop see to me, best arm is a
combination of everything like accurate, strong, can make all the
throws sculpted. Yeah, like I like I don't like Drew
Brees in terms of his accuracy and timing is elite.
I don't think he had a great arm, right like,
I wouldn't say that he was one of ten arms.
Same with Joe min Is his His strength is his

(02:03:27):
mental parts, it's not his arm. Yeah, yeah, timing, I
wouldn't put him in the best arm category.

Speaker 1 (02:03:32):
Are his accuracy factor into having a great armor?

Speaker 6 (02:03:35):
Is that?

Speaker 3 (02:03:35):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (02:03:36):
It does. I think Aaron Rodgers gets into the best
arm He's he's near that.

Speaker 2 (02:03:40):
For me, he's no way it would be one.

Speaker 1 (02:03:42):
But Rogers is hard to argue. What about Slinging Sammy
bah I don't forget about him.

Speaker 2 (02:03:47):
You speak intelligently on that, Dan Pasterini, No, no, no, no, okay,
all right, Dan Pastin.

Speaker 1 (02:03:56):
I mean there's some guys back in the day, j Jones, come,
Joe namath Is and in the Joe absolutely Bert Jones
had a great arm. Yeah, Johnny United, Actually Johnny United
didn't have a very good arm.

Speaker 2 (02:04:10):
I have never saw Johnny United's play.

Speaker 1 (02:04:12):
You know, I'll tell you neither or my time. But
you know, Sammy Bob got the name slinging right.

Speaker 2 (02:04:20):
Maybe he's the only quarterback in the league that through
at the time, Sammy Ball, how long are we going here?
I don't know, but I like you giving him a
little extra.

Speaker 7 (02:04:28):
For the for the f I'm just gonna let a
roll see where we ended up.

Speaker 1 (02:04:32):
Oh geez, I forgot I didn't even see that. All right,
Well that's it. I gotta I gotta meet.

Speaker 2 (02:04:36):
That's two forty five.

Speaker 1 (02:04:37):
Mike would was a little late, so you know, all right,
that's going to be it for this edition of Patriots Unfiltered.
We're sending out a search and rescue crew for Evan.
We'll see how he's doing. Uh, we'll be back tomorrow
on Thursday. Uh, it'll be a hoday, a little bit
more on the Browns, any new news. See if the
line shifted, you know, between now and then, that'll that'll

(02:04:59):
show little bit what the sharps think and then we'll
do our pick. So see you tomorrow.

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