Patriots Unfiltered 10/23: Browns Preview, Mike Onwenu In-Studio, Week 8 League Picks

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
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Speaker 2 (00:11):
The World's of Vigeonal podcast.

Speaker 3 (00:17):
Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered.

Speaker 4 (00:21):
They're picking in the bottom fourteen somewhere, so they picking
the second half of the round. That that's what we're
talking about. Nine and eight. You said that was the
biggest difference for the Detroit or that's what I mean.
Eight does get you in the top handers? Who picked
what twenty eighth, twenty ninth in the first round.

Speaker 5 (00:35):
You can't just draft at the bottom of the first
round and expect to find the pillars of your organization
down there. That's not how going to happen. Like I
look at this stuff every single year, like for six months.
You're not going to just find, you know, Penny sewel
at thirty two overall, Like, that's not going to happen.

Speaker 4 (00:52):
We have just did a Belichick and you're leaving fourth
and one.

Speaker 3 (01:00):
He's gonna walk to the press coverage is mumbling to himself, muttering.
Justin writes in Evan's gonna go home tonight, walk in
with his arms crossed and comically PLoP on his couch
at frustration. Jess is gonna ask him bad day at work,

(01:20):
and Evan's gonna mutter pull doesn't no ball? It makes
me mad, doesn't He doesn't respect the draft.

Speaker 6 (01:26):
I don't think that.

Speaker 4 (01:26):
I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:27):
That's fat.

Speaker 4 (01:28):
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Speaker 5 (01:30):
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Speaker 3 (01:36):
All right, welcome the Patriots Unfiltered. It is Thursday here
at Jillette Stadium, and uh, it's always a big day
for us. It's Evan, it's Paul, me, Deuce, Alex on
the panel, Matt in the booth, and we're talking Cleveland Browns.
I think we talked extensively about them yesterday. Uh you know, Uh,

(02:00):
we'll continue talking about them today. Evan's back you okay, No, no,
we had a lot of reaction to that.

Speaker 5 (02:09):
I'm sure you do. When I wasn't here to defend
my honor, merged your honor?

Speaker 3 (02:14):
Oh yeah, were killing you? You know because after the
live shooting, people watch, understand, and so we get a
lot of reactions show and a lot of emails wondering
about your wellness.

Speaker 5 (02:25):
Well I did. That's my job is to incite what feedback.

Speaker 3 (02:32):
So it was all a work.

Speaker 5 (02:34):
No, it wasn't a work, okay, but you know, like
if good radio means that we we got people listening,
we got people reacted.

Speaker 3 (02:42):
It's great.

Speaker 7 (02:42):
This is why Christian La adds a lot to the
show for all the people.

Speaker 3 (02:45):
That I wouldn't say that he started it.

Speaker 8 (02:48):
No, but that email that was just read in the
intro about Evan going home like to Jess later that
night is funny because I was in the Verable press
conference and listening into the show and Evan sat down
next to me.

Speaker 7 (02:58):
And that's kind of how the conversation.

Speaker 1 (03:02):
We just are good.

Speaker 5 (03:05):
We just are gonna draft at the bottom of the
draft every year, and we're going to find star players somehow.
With Tom Brady already here.

Speaker 4 (03:14):
I say, I will absolutely sign up to be drafting
at the bottom of the round every year. I will
sign up for that now for the next ten years.
Right means correct, I will take down How do you
get good?

Speaker 1 (03:25):
You already are if you're drafting to come out of.

Speaker 3 (03:28):
The All right, never mind.

Speaker 4 (03:31):
The underrated thing is this was more fred Evan Paul.

Speaker 5 (03:36):
Who would you rather be for the next five years?
The Patriots are the Commanders right now the Patriots enough said.

Speaker 1 (03:45):
Just because, well what is that?

Speaker 4 (03:47):
I think it's very similar.

Speaker 3 (03:48):
They both drafted at the top, so they both like they.

Speaker 4 (03:50):
Hit on the quarterback. So now it's like, what do
you do? What do you do now?

Speaker 5 (03:53):
In the Patriots then again drafted at the top. Again,
the Commanders went to the NFC Championship game on fools old,
and now the Patriots have Will Campbell on their roster
as a result. This is all I was saying. I
want to build a sustainable winner. I don't want to
be a flash in the pan, like you want to
go hang an NFC Championship runner up?

Speaker 3 (04:12):
So how long and watch it? How long? How long?
How long do you have to be have a losing
record in your in your mind.

Speaker 5 (04:23):
The Patriots did it? They long they are need to
be a loser. I don't know, two three years and
then what keep drafting and draft?

Speaker 3 (04:31):
Well, right, but after those two or three years, what happens?

Speaker 5 (04:34):
You have a sustained foundation that you can build up.

Speaker 3 (04:37):
Okay, so you can build that foundation in two or
three years.

Speaker 5 (04:40):
I think so. I mean, I don't know if the
Patriots did it on purpose. I'm trying to give the
Patriots credit. Like I'm trying to say they did it right,
and I don't know if they did it right on purpose.

Speaker 3 (04:49):
They weren't trying to lose. A lot of people wish
they were two years ago, two years ago. Last year,
I should.

Speaker 4 (04:58):
Say with you, friend, I don't don't think they lost
on purpose.

Speaker 5 (05:02):
Like I don't think they lost on purpose. I don't
think any organization from the coach down, truly.

Speaker 3 (05:07):
I don't want to be I don't want to like
snob you, but you don't sound like someone who played
really competitive sports. What does that have to do with anything,
because I just these guys don't want to lose.

Speaker 5 (05:22):
I just said from the coach down, they didn't tank, Fred,
What do you mean, I didn't play what level of sports?

Speaker 4 (05:28):
Did you play?

Speaker 3 (05:30):
A very high level?

Speaker 4 (05:31):
All individual sports?

Speaker 9 (05:32):
Though?

Speaker 3 (05:33):
Exactly?

Speaker 5 (05:34):
Jesus, I know they didn't tank last year. I don't
think that the Patriots and Drake May went out there
and purposely tried to lose every single week. But the
way that they ran their organization last year from a
personnel standpoint, they barely spent any money on external free.

Speaker 3 (05:51):
Agent that has nothing.

Speaker 5 (05:52):
That's what do you mean?

Speaker 3 (05:53):
That's a whole difference.

Speaker 5 (05:54):
So do you think that that roster last year was
built to win?

Speaker 3 (05:57):
Listen. Reportedly, Stephen Ross asked his coach Brian Flores the tank,
and Brian Flores refused.

Speaker 5 (06:03):
We're not talking about that. We're not saying No one's
saying that they purposely went out there to try to
lose games. We're talking it, clearly.

Speaker 3 (06:12):
But teams purposely go out there and try to win.

Speaker 5 (06:15):
Obviously. Yeah, but you build a team and you know
whether or not that team is built up enough to act.

Speaker 3 (06:22):
Basically, you're saying, you try to win, but you hope
you'll lose.

Speaker 5 (06:25):
I'm saying that I think that they might have quiet
tanked it. That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (06:30):
Listen. Okay, well I don't think that. Yeah, well, we'll
let that one's off. We'll let that one go in.
You live in April. I'll live from September to December.

Speaker 10 (06:39):
Oh.

Speaker 4 (06:39):
I think there was a little of that that went
on in twenty twenty. I think they had an intentional
reset after Brady left, and yeah, I think they were
content to, you know, just play it out.

Speaker 3 (06:49):
But that's yeah.

Speaker 4 (06:51):
But I don't think that they did that last year.
I think Girodmeo came in with the intention of, you know,
starting a rebuild the program, and they were doing it
in a win more game. He thought he was going
to get more times now coach of the team, right,
But I don't I don't think that they set the
roster up to lose.

Speaker 5 (07:07):
You don't think that that roster was set up to lose.

Speaker 4 (07:09):
I don't think it was a good roster. I don't
think it was an intentional That's a big difference. I
think Jayalen Pope was supposed to be a good player.

Speaker 5 (07:16):
Well, I guess we can sit there and say that
it wasn't fully intentional, and we can take like we
can say that, but I did sit here and say
that they thought that they were going to win games
at that roster last year. I think it is kind
of crazy.

Speaker 3 (07:27):
But I don't think that I think they knew what
their They knew their intention was, but I don't think
I think they wanted to win.

Speaker 4 (07:34):
And they knew they weren't a title contender or anything.
But I don't think that they intended to win four games. Yeah,
I don't think they could.

Speaker 3 (07:40):
Get into this right like this right away. Well, I
didn't play because you're looking a little uncomfortable.

Speaker 11 (07:45):
I'm a little uncomfortable yelling. It's loud noises and I don't.

Speaker 3 (07:48):
Like my brothers are fighting, and I'm well, how is it?

Speaker 11 (07:53):
I mean my feeling is that as four people yell
on each other too much, I feel like two on
one is enough and we can sit back and enjo.

Speaker 3 (08:00):
Okay, as you know what I mean. What's your take
on this?

Speaker 11 (08:02):
Yeah, dude, give us your time with you guys, but
I don't want to go up you can.

Speaker 5 (08:06):
Get because I think you guys are moving the goalposts
on it, which is when I get annoyed, like like,
no one is sitting here saying like no, it is
annoying because I'm not sitting here telling you that. I
think that the Patriots purposely go out ever or any
team goes out there to try to lose games. And
I don't think the Patriots should do that at any
time at any point. But if you want to build

(08:28):
a sustained winner in this league, then doing it one
year with a good free agency class. We've seen this
movie before repeatedly. But teams that try to do that, listen,
they have one year where they get a shot in
the environment and they go back down to Earth.

Speaker 3 (08:43):
And I agree with that totally. I also agree you
have to build through the draft, but I also say
that you don't always have to be drafting in the
top five or even the top ten to draft good players.

Speaker 5 (08:55):
Not to draft good players, but if you don't already
have good players on your roster, if you don't have
Patrick Mahomes, you don't have Josh Allen, if you don't
have Tom Brady, then you drafting you're not going to
be able to just pick like Dan Copen, like I know,
and Eugene Wilson and turn those guys into the players
you also.

Speaker 3 (09:16):
Don't hope not to win so that you can't draft tie.
I don't think the Commanders would do anything to give
away what they did last year.

Speaker 5 (09:22):
Yeah, they could go hang their banner champions again.

Speaker 4 (09:29):
This is this is just that's the crux of what
I disgoyed, right.

Speaker 3 (09:33):
That as you're coming off like a cold draft knick,
you know, uh, you know, gen z Staton, you're.

Speaker 5 (09:43):
Coming off like Felger who just.

Speaker 3 (09:46):
Oh yeah, I hope I'm coming off like someone who
wants to compete and win. That's the point of playing
these games.

Speaker 4 (09:57):
Okay, well we're talking about this off fair at all,
just completely picked up where it left off when you left.

Speaker 3 (10:04):
Yes, I like it, It's fine, all right, all right?
What note we had a practice report yesterday, participation report.

Speaker 11 (10:12):
Yeah, Now, Craig Woodson was out, so safety is dealing
with some injury issues. Jalen Hawkins has been out, so yeah,
they might have to deal with some of that, and
I mean.

Speaker 3 (10:21):
We'll get some extra reps.

Speaker 1 (10:24):
Yeah, maybe Kyle Dougast is staying in the mix.

Speaker 11 (10:27):
You can say, you can say say it probably not maybe,
but I think Jerry Judy, that's what I was looking
for you to say, Jerry safety.

Speaker 4 (10:36):
He doesn't play safety anymore. Well, he hasn't under mic.

Speaker 3 (10:39):
I know, I know that, I know that, but it
is but he has played safety.

Speaker 11 (10:44):
It does sound like it's a Paul's thing of it
all working off for the Patriots. Sounds like it's kind
of percolating right now. With Jerry Judy missed practice yesterday,
we'll see Michael Pennox is dealing with a knee injury
and Baker Mayfield.

Speaker 1 (10:56):
Well, so those guys are both limited. So next uh
you opponents are banged up.

Speaker 4 (11:02):
But it looks like Hawkins will be back and probably
if Woodson will see today. You know, I think if
you missed two days in a row and they're.

Speaker 11 (11:11):
A little more liberal with missing guys on Wednesday, given
the day off.

Speaker 4 (11:14):
I agree, and I think Wednesday, Thursday, I'm sorry, is
the day. If I'm not mistaken that they've been in pads, right.

Speaker 5 (11:21):
Yes, uh, well, they're never in full pads, Paul, I understand, Mike, Well,
nobody couple of anymore picking knits today. No, I think, well,
they've been in shell's both Wednesday and okay, because they
actually practiced in shells quite a bit, but.

Speaker 4 (11:42):
I thought they had been wearing pads on Thursdays.

Speaker 5 (11:44):
But well, again, we're we're putting the heirs. Hawkins. I
was a little surprised did to play last week. He
traveled with the team to Tennessee and seemed like he
was headed in the right direction. And I think they
just kind of aired on the side of caution with
that one, and and gave him the extra week to
get healthy, so I would expect him. He was full yesterday,

(12:04):
so I expect him to be back. So it's kind
of just you know, going to be Kyle Dugger and
Jalen Hawkins instead of Kyle Dugger and Craig Woodson. If
Craig Woodson doesn't doesn't probably on Sunday.

Speaker 3 (12:15):
Okay, any other news we have to get out of
the way.

Speaker 1 (12:20):
I want to think.

Speaker 11 (12:21):
So Stanley Morgan making it, you know, the Hall of
Fames announcing all of their you know, not finalists yet,
it's like they're moving on.

Speaker 1 (12:28):
But Stanley Morgan is as.

Speaker 3 (12:31):
People know, I'm a small hall guy. A lot of
guys that are in it I don't think should be
in it. A lot of guys that get nominated. Stanley
Morgan should be in the Hall of Fame based on
who's in there now and what he did, you know,
as a as a receiver, he should be in the
Hall of Fame.

Speaker 4 (12:48):
Mike, did you tell the story on air when you
sat down with Rodney Harrison and Tony Dungee.

Speaker 3 (12:54):
Oh no, I don't think. Yeah, that.

Speaker 11 (12:58):
Is a good story, Paul, Yeah it was. It was
funny time. Tony Dungee was sitting right where I was sitting.
I was sitting with Paul and Evan r. And Tony
Dungee just you know, pointed out Stanley Morning like he
was a really good player, and I was like, and
we were just kind of that was good.

Speaker 1 (13:10):
I didn't want I didn't want to go to extreme
on it. No, I don't want to. You know, Tony
was you know everything you think. It's just a great guy.

Speaker 11 (13:16):
And you know, as we're waiting for the cameras to
get up and running, you know, had a little conversation
with him, and it was just so cool because the
second all right action, I asked no questions, Like the
professionalism just kicked in on both those guys in the
chemistry that they have.

Speaker 1 (13:28):
But no, it was cool. I mean I wanted.

Speaker 11 (13:30):
I mean, Dungee was a defensive back, so I was odd.
You ever, I should have asked him if he ever
crossed paths with him. I don't know for sure, if
you ever know cover Stanley Morgan, but the original deep
threat or one of the original deep threats, I mean.

Speaker 3 (13:41):
Just the guy bridged over twenty yards to catch for
his career.

Speaker 1 (13:45):
I mean three times, I think he led the league
in yards per catch.

Speaker 3 (13:49):
And it wasn't like he was playing, you know, with great.

Speaker 4 (13:53):
And it wasn't like he caught you know, fifteen passes
a year. He was the leading receiver for the team
and consistently averaged, you know, over seventeen yards a catch.

Speaker 5 (14:02):
He was he was really one of the first like
true deep threats, you know, downfield passing wasn't you know,
a thing until really like the late sixties.

Speaker 3 (14:11):
And I loved him.

Speaker 5 (14:12):
Yeah, he was a really good player.

Speaker 3 (14:14):
I just wanted to, you know, something was so just
being on the Patriots. You think that's hurt him not
getting in sooner?

Speaker 1 (14:22):
Well, I mean he was also good Patriots, seems though.
I mean, you know, I don't know if it should have.

Speaker 11 (14:26):
But the thing it was stood out to me is
I was kind of you know, researching him and doing
the eighty five thing was, you know, eighty four, eighty five,
thirty eight, thirty nine receptions, and then all of a
sudden in eighty six he just comes back with eighty
four catches, fourteen hundred and ninety one yards, ten touchdowns.

Speaker 1 (14:43):
You know that was year he's thirty one. Seemed like
he was trending down.

Speaker 4 (14:46):
With you have the whole numbers right there. I did,
what did he have for games played in eighty three,
eighty four whatever?

Speaker 11 (14:51):
In eighty four he played thirteen, and eighty five he
played fifteen, and in eighty six.

Speaker 1 (14:55):
He played sixteen.

Speaker 4 (14:56):
It wasn't he didn't miss as many games. But I
will say that's one. The one negative on Stanley Morgan
is he constantly dealt with hamstring problems. Yeah, and I
think that limited some of his production, but his numbers.
You know this, I'm going to play Evan's side of
the street here. There's two I think excellent wide receivers
for Pittsburgh and Lynn Swan and John Stalwart. Stanley Morgan

(15:19):
is a better player than both, especially Swan. And you said,
did the Patriots have something to do with it? I
would say yes, that elevated, you know, four titles for
the Steelers. Absolutely elevated those two wide receivers and got
them in and Stanley Morgan never got a chance to
do it. I'm not telling you that Swan and Stalwarts

(15:40):
don't belong in. I'm telling you Morgan belongs in too.

Speaker 3 (15:43):
Sure.

Speaker 4 (15:43):
Yeah, especially Stalwarts. He was really really good player for Pittsburgh.
Swan made the big highlight reel catches and Super Bowls
that people remember, but Stalwart was an unbelievable players.

Speaker 3 (15:56):
Yeah. So let's let's hope. Now he's in the veterans,
he's in the scene and how many of those can
go in, like two or something like that.

Speaker 1 (16:03):
They're all part of the finalists.

Speaker 11 (16:04):
So I think the way they kind of have it
is there's four separate contributors, coaches, seniors, and regular players,
and they'll all be narrowed down to finalists and then
I think it's everybody's kind of in the mix, right, So.

Speaker 4 (16:14):
They'll have one senior guy, one contributor one.

Speaker 1 (16:18):
I don't even know if they have I don't even
know if they have to happen.

Speaker 11 (16:20):
I don't think they have to even a coach, Like
it's they there's a finalist, but it doesn't have to happen.

Speaker 4 (16:25):
Oh no, no, they don't have to put them in. But
I think that they all all of those committees pick
one guy and present them to the Fame. The Hall
of Fame committee then votes whether or not they're in.

Speaker 3 (16:35):
I thought nobody gets in if they don't get a
certain percentage of the votes, Like if one person doesn't
get like sixty percent. I don't know about they don't
put anyone in.

Speaker 4 (16:43):
I don't know if that's the Hall of Fame committee. Okay,
these are different, say these are different committees.

Speaker 3 (16:49):
I know they're differently.

Speaker 4 (16:50):
I think that they all are tasked with picking one guy.

Speaker 1 (16:53):
I don't know for sure. I know that's definitely sure
on the coaches.

Speaker 11 (16:56):
I think maybe in the seniors, they it was like
twelve that they narrow down to, like the finalists.

Speaker 1 (17:01):
I could be last.

Speaker 5 (17:03):
Year on the senior committee, former Packers receiver who I
think Stanley Morgan is also better than by the.

Speaker 4 (17:10):
Way, but sharp Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a little bit
of a I think he's a better player too, but
that's a little bit of an extenuating circumstance with his
career getting cut short.

Speaker 5 (17:19):
Yeah. So they last year, they you know, for Fred,
they had a very small it was a small class,
and you know, there were some guys, you know, first
ballot guys that didn't get in, you know, first ballot
guys in terms of their candidacy that could have been
first ballot that didn't get in. That was pretty surprising
for a lot of people. Obviously Vinitarry like here is locally,

(17:42):
but it was they were tough last year. They were
tough voters. They didn't let a lot of guys in.

Speaker 1 (17:49):
Adam Adam and Rodney, you know, those two guys.

Speaker 3 (17:51):
I wonder if it's a good The list this year
is pretty good. There's a lot of good players on
the list this year, you know, the modern first timers.

Speaker 4 (18:01):
Yeah, a lot of interesting names like Drew Brees.

Speaker 3 (18:05):
Yeah, Philip Rivers. There's a lot of good players.

Speaker 4 (18:11):
So, Larry Fitzgerald, Jason Witten. There's some good first time candidates.
I don't know, you know, not putting them all in
the same bucket here, but there are some good candidates
on the list.

Speaker 1 (18:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (18:23):
So it's gonna be tough for Vinitarian Harrison is what
I'm saying.

Speaker 11 (18:26):
And Ventitari was a finalist last year, so he goes
right through to like the final group, so yeah, he
doesn't have to go through this next process. So him
and a couple other guys that were finalis Eli Manning
and Rodney was not a finally he was a finalist
I think a couple of years ago, and then he
wasn't last year, so he's he'll still have to fight
his way through.

Speaker 3 (18:43):
Okay, Well, that's it's interesting. Patriots are well represented on
on both lists, so yeah, And of course Robert Kraft
is eligible so tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (18:52):
Will be contributors.

Speaker 11 (18:53):
So we'll see, uh if he's on that list, and yeah,
just uh, Logan mankins All is in that group as well,
worth worth a mention and love to see him, you know.

Speaker 1 (19:04):
I'd just love to see more Patriots in the Hall
of Fame.

Speaker 4 (19:07):
Yep, I missed my meeting with Logan this year. I'm
upset about.

Speaker 5 (19:10):
That with Logan.

Speaker 3 (19:12):
Okay, guy? What else?

Speaker 4 (19:14):
Seeing in Fenwick? Played on Friday? But I didn't go
to the game.

Speaker 3 (19:17):
What else? What else? Alex? What's going on with you?
You had a birthday?

Speaker 4 (19:21):
Right?

Speaker 3 (19:21):
I had the whole world? Was it yesterday?

Speaker 7 (19:24):
It was Tuesday?

Speaker 8 (19:24):
Tuesday, although a lot of people think it was yesterday,
and I kind of just like, I don't know. I
felt uncomfortable, so I just let him think it was.

Speaker 7 (19:32):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (19:33):
Yeah, you didn't want to be correcting everybody. Yeah, so
would you do anything good?

Speaker 5 (19:37):
Happy birthday?

Speaker 1 (19:38):
Losing their luster a little bit?

Speaker 3 (19:39):
Are you a good birthday celebrator?

Speaker 4 (19:42):
No?

Speaker 1 (19:42):
I think she's at the especially thirty one hour.

Speaker 7 (19:45):
It's all downhill from here.

Speaker 4 (19:46):
It's thirty one.

Speaker 3 (19:47):
It's all over prime, but you're.

Speaker 1 (19:51):
In your prime.

Speaker 3 (19:53):
No, thirty one is the new twenty nine? Is it?

Speaker 1 (19:56):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (19:57):
Is it really?

Speaker 3 (19:57):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (19:58):
Good to know forty is.

Speaker 3 (19:59):
The new th all right?

Speaker 7 (20:00):
I changed my mind and it was a great what's
eighty the news?

Speaker 3 (20:07):
All right? I know what that means? A five five
past five hundred is the hotline podcast at patriots dot
com is the email address. We're going to do picks later.
I got to pop out at about one oh.

Speaker 1 (20:18):
Five, happy about that?

Speaker 4 (20:22):
We can we go? We get hurry. Freend's not here
to make sure.

Speaker 3 (20:25):
But I'll be back before picks. Don't worry about it.
Not that's just poor to me, little preview did how
did everyone do good week for you? Well, I'm talking
about everybody else. We know that everybody else.

Speaker 4 (20:37):
I just continue to climb out of the basement. Okay, good,
It's been a long Jewish journey. But okay, I'm no
longer in last place in either one of.

Speaker 3 (20:44):
Them, like the seven circles of help?

Speaker 4 (20:46):
Correct, that's every show with you.

Speaker 3 (20:53):
Should I go to the phone, Should I go to
the emails? What should I do? What do you think?
Why doesn't this mouse work?

Speaker 7 (20:59):
Why don't you leave class?

Speaker 4 (21:01):
Why don't you lead off with Christian and let him
yell at me?

Speaker 3 (21:03):
All right? Oh okay, oh there he is there you go.
I guess you know we we brought up his name right,
so we should probably let him have hus speak. Okay,
but keep it simple, Christian, what's up, Paul.

Speaker 6 (21:19):
Because I'm a gentleman and a scholar, I'm just going
to take my flowers and say we're on the same side. However,
today I gotta get after you guys to getting on
Evan because Evan is right. In today's league, you cannot
build a team one draft and then you start sort
of nippicking around. It's not going to happen that way.

(21:40):
The talent disparage you between the top players and the
mid players and the lower players is way too too
wide today, and the margin is so thin that you
literally have to be in the top half of the
draft for at least three years build a.

Speaker 10 (21:54):
Team that's that's going to be able to.

Speaker 6 (21:56):
Sustain and compete for a playoff in about four years.
So I'm on Evan's side. No one's saying let's purposely lose.
What he's saying is it definitely takes at least three drafts,
good drafts in the high picks to get it. Jalen
Polk was never going to be good. You know why,
because either at the bottom of the first or second round,
running a four, four to three or four I mean

(22:16):
four or five, four, six. That's ridiculous. We can't get
players that are great unless we are higher in the draft.
How did that happen? You are at the bottom seat
of the playoffs or not in the playoffs. That's all
we were trying to say. We need to say lose. Purposely,
we said to building today's league. It's different. Thank you guys,
Gon'll take it off the air. Let's beat these Browns
and keep moving on.

Speaker 3 (22:36):
All right, thanks question, okay, all right, all right, So.

Speaker 4 (22:39):
I purposely let that go, and again I would just
start I would just argue back and say, first of all,
Jalen Polk was at the top of the second round,
not the bottom right. Second of all, you had a
better option than Jalen Polk that got taken and it
has been far more productive after Jalen Pope. Correct. They

(23:02):
have their their opportunity to draft labmer Conky and they didn't.
Fred was climbering of the lab. They traded down, They
traded That's what I'm saying. They had an opportunity to
draft them and they didn't.

Speaker 5 (23:12):
Correct.

Speaker 4 (23:13):
So I just would push back on this, the whole
notion that you can't get good players unless you pick
in the top half of the first round.

Speaker 5 (23:22):
Right, No, I'm saying that.

Speaker 4 (23:23):
I didn't say that you did. He keeps insisting that
I'm with him.

Speaker 5 (23:28):
I am not.

Speaker 4 (23:30):
I would just push back on that whole mentality. This
is not about Evan's right when you know, talking about
the goalposts, like, this argument isn't about losing on purpose,
trying to lose. That's not what this arguments about. That's
not what anyone is suggesting. Evan's not suggesting that at all.
Where Evan and I have a little bit of a
difference of opinion is I don't believe that the only

(23:52):
way to get really good players is to be at
the top half of the first round. I think you
have to get good players regardless of where you pick.
I I agree with Evan on that that's the only
way to sustain success is to draft.

Speaker 3 (24:04):
Well, I just want to be I just want to
clear something up. So right now, I think we would
all agree that the Patriots are on a roll. They're
winning games, but there's a lot of still roster stuff
that they need to do. Absolutely absolutely, so now they're screwed.

Speaker 5 (24:22):
Right, No, that's not what I'm saying because if they
what if they do well this year, because that's fine.
The Patriots have already been in the gutter enough now.

Speaker 3 (24:31):
I know, But how are they in your mind, how
are they going to get back?

Speaker 5 (24:33):
Because I don't think what they need now is going
to be like foundational pieces that you can't get elsewhere.
They have the quarterback, they have a left tackle, they
have a number one corner, like these are the places
that are really difficult to find at thirty in the
draft or in free agency. They don't come available. Number

(24:54):
one wide receiver. You can trade for those. We see
it all the time, Like you can go in the
trade market and you can for an AJ Brown, you
can trade for a Stefon Diggs, you can trade for
a Tyreek Hill like that gets moved right now. The
only thing that I think that they're probably missing out of,
like the premium positions, is like a stud edge rusher.

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So maybe they will have to do that by committee
like they're doing right now, instead of going out and
getting von Miller at the top of the draft. They
might need Landry's and Chase Son's and those types of
players to fill it in. But what we're not asking
them to do is to go find a quarterback drafting
at twenty right, and that's where the Pittsburgh Steelers have

(25:35):
been for the last five years, is they don't have
a quarterback of the future, but they don't stink enough
to draft a quarterback up top, so they're getting you know,
Kenny Pickett's of the world. The Patriots draft Mac Jones
fifteenth overall instead of having Trevor Lawrence right like that.
Those are the problems that I think you have. But
the Patriots have been in the gutter for three years now,

(25:57):
really two years in the top of the five draft,
so they've started to pick some of these pillar foundational
guys at these premium positions.

Speaker 3 (26:05):
But one of the reasons why they're they've been so
bad is because they didn't draft well, they didn't draft
they had let Paul pointed out, and there's been there's
plenty of other examples. They had chances to draft better
players than they draft.

Speaker 5 (26:20):
But we can play that game all day with all
thirty two exactly.

Speaker 3 (26:23):
That's kind of the point of it is, like it's
not where, it's who.

Speaker 5 (26:27):
No, But the point is is that you're talking about
like quarterback. You can't just expect quarterbacks.

Speaker 3 (26:34):
Of course, you're.

Speaker 5 (26:34):
You're talking about left tackle, which like those those guys.

Speaker 3 (26:38):
But you can get that guy and all of a sudden,
now you're a good team.

Speaker 5 (26:42):
You do not find left tackles that are starting caliber
like good left tackles on Day two of the draft.

Speaker 3 (26:50):
So don't so back back when they drafted Mac Jones.
In an alternate universe, let's say Drake May was that guy.
They would have gotten better a lot faster.

Speaker 5 (27:00):
But Drake May wouldn't have gone fifteenth overall, I'm.

Speaker 3 (27:02):
Just saying if they had been able to pick Drake
May back then this rebuild would have happened a lot
faster than it did without Bill Campbell and without all
these guys.

Speaker 5 (27:12):
Because they had holdovers from the Brady teams.

Speaker 3 (27:15):
They weren't good. It was a bad team.

Speaker 5 (27:17):
Twenty one was not a bad team.

Speaker 3 (27:19):
Well, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (27:21):
I just it was the free agent team.

Speaker 3 (27:23):
I just think there's a lot of ways to skin
the cat in the NFL. I do believe you have
to draft well, you have to build through the draft,
but you don't always have to draft in the top
ten to draft good players.

Speaker 5 (27:36):
You don't know, I'm saying that what I'm telling you
is is that I think at these premium positions like quarterback,
like left tackle, like all corner pass rusher, like those
guys go at the top of the draft. There's a
reason why they call them premium positions because they're worth
now over time.

Speaker 3 (27:54):
Let's just say you have Drake May and man, we've
got this great quarterback. We've got the potential at that time.
You can you can get a left tackle. You can
you can trade or buy a left tackle, you know,
because you're not you're only paying that one guy, right.

Speaker 5 (28:12):
You get him, even if what is he going to
be good?

Speaker 3 (28:14):
Like?

Speaker 5 (28:14):
Is he going to be worth the money that you're paying? Like,
go look at the free agency at left tackle last year.
We just played one last week in Tennessee Dan Moore
Junior who got smoked by the AFC defensive Player of
the week.

Speaker 3 (28:25):
I know, but so again, you can, right, But if
you've got the quarterback, that's half the battle.

Speaker 4 (28:30):
Of course, and if the whole quarterback more than half.

Speaker 5 (28:32):
Right, If you get the quarterback.

Speaker 3 (28:34):
And if you're only paying the quarterback, you've got money
to burn. Now you don't I'm assuming you don't have
your cornerback you don't have your red rusher, you don't
have your left tackle. There's other ways.

Speaker 5 (28:44):
To get them to where do they get the quarterback.

Speaker 3 (28:47):
I'm just saying, probably high in the draft.

Speaker 5 (28:49):
The Patriots got him high in the draft. They have
a sustainable What if they were in the.

Speaker 3 (28:53):
Middle of the draft and they draft and they and they,
you know, moved got picks and moved up. Other teams
done that. Yeah, they moved up, okay, but they weren't
necessarily terrible teams.

Speaker 4 (29:05):
That's how Kansas City built their dynasty.

Speaker 5 (29:07):
Correct by trading all the way up to draft Patrick right,
and they weren't a bad but they were a good
team before that. They were I understand that. But when
they got and went to go get Mahomes, they drafted
him tenth overall.

Speaker 3 (29:18):
But they didn't have to lose to win.

Speaker 4 (29:20):
That's that's the part that I.

Speaker 5 (29:23):
With Alex Smith's one example with Alex Smith, like if
the Patriots had signed the call, you could.

Speaker 4 (29:29):
Give you examples, but you don't really agree with us.
So I think we're just banging our heads. Like the
Rams like gave away all their picks. They've sustained it
for what six seven years now, Like there's a random
there's a lot of different ways to do.

Speaker 3 (29:43):
I remember at that time people said the Rams are
doing it wrong, they're screwed.

Speaker 5 (29:47):
But the Okay, we're just gonna have to let this
go because you're not like the Rams already had their
foundational pieces in place. They already had quarter They drafted
Jared Goff first overall.

Speaker 3 (29:58):
How did they get their quarterback?

Speaker 5 (29:59):
But they drafted?

Speaker 4 (30:00):
But has that in place? And you and you're killing
Washington and yet praising the Patriots. They're the same. They
both had a top three pick, nailed the quarterback, and
they they've gotten better.

Speaker 3 (30:11):
But I'm talking about the quarterback.

Speaker 5 (30:14):
Jared Goff for him, the Pagers didn't have a Jared Goff.

Speaker 3 (30:17):
The trade for they.

Speaker 4 (30:18):
Goa But we're not talking about like once you once
you get the quarterback, we no longer have any interest
in picking in the top ten. Who's saying they have
interest in Fred and I are saying that we do.
But you think that Washington is like doomed because they
went to the NERC Championship last year.

Speaker 5 (30:38):
I think Washington that's the that's the part that we're
disagreeing on. Washington hit lightning in a bottle. Last year.

Speaker 4 (30:43):
They may have they may not have been quite that good.
But to me, the future is rosy for Washington because
the quarterback is good. They'll be able to continue if
they draft well to put pieces around him. You don't
have to have a top half of the first round
pick to go from where Washington is now to title contender,

(31:03):
in my view. Doesn't make them right. Doesn't mean I'm right,
but I don't think that they need a top five
pick to help Jayden Daniels get to the where they
want to go. I agree with you. That was lightning
in a bottle last year. Fred and I talked about
it a lot in the summer. I agree with you.
They weren't quite as good as their record indicated last year.
But I think they'll be okay because as long as

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Daniel stays healthy.

Speaker 3 (31:25):
Right, I think ok.

Speaker 5 (31:27):
I Just the way that I look at it is
that I look at teams that sustained success in the league,
not teams that have hit it one year and then
come back down to earth. Teams that build that, Teams
that really sustain it. Now, we want to use the Chiefs,
who have the greatest quarterback of the modern era, then
I guess we can take the Chiefs. But like I

(31:48):
just like, Okay, if I had Patrick Mahomes, then yes,
I probably could build a team picking at the bottom
of the first round.

Speaker 3 (31:54):
If I had Tom Brigeles.

Speaker 5 (31:55):
The Eagles drafted Jalen Carter tent, they drafted DeVante Smith,
like twelve. The drafted a lot of their players in
the top of the draft.

Speaker 3 (32:03):
Ten and twelve.

Speaker 5 (32:04):
Yeah, ten and twelve, that's all I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (32:06):
And Jalen Hurts was in the second round.

Speaker 5 (32:08):
Yeah, they got lucky they drafted. He's one of the
few outliers outside of the first round that's worked out.
Jalen Hurts, Dak Prescott, like Kirk Cousins for a minute.

Speaker 3 (32:17):
Like Russell Wilson.

Speaker 5 (32:18):
Yeah, Russell Wilson. You've named four Like this is exactly like.

Speaker 3 (32:22):
There's only thirty two teams. Oh yeah, we're getting.

Speaker 4 (32:24):
There, Fred, that's not an argument you want to make. No,
if you want to be good, you got to get
a first round draft pick for a quarterback. I mean
it's pretty simple. There's like fifteen good quarterbacks in the league,
and like thirteen of them were drafted.

Speaker 3 (32:35):
In the first right. No, but you can take somebody
Else's draft pick. Matthew Stafford was a high pick, but
they traded for him. They didn't draft him.

Speaker 4 (32:42):
Yeah, but they traded a number one overall pick for
a number one overall pick. I know, to Evans's points,
but you say, I am not not that stubborn. I
can go back. I understand, I could switch side. We know,
I can argue anything.

Speaker 5 (32:56):
It's very hard to find blue chip talent outside of
the top ten fifteen.

Speaker 3 (33:00):
You could just say, period, it's hard to find blue
chip talent. There's not a lot of blue champers out there.

Speaker 5 (33:06):
Well, I mean, I guess that gets into a whole
semantics of what's a blue chipper. But like, I think
define those types of players. You know, we can sit
here and talk about the Eagles. The Eagles have spread
it really thin. They've done it in multiple ways. But
at the same time, Lane Johnson was a top five
pick in the draft. Jalen Carter was went tenth overall

(33:26):
to Philadelphia a couple of years ago. DeVante Smith I
think was like eleven or twelve, right, Like, it's not
like their team is filled with guys that weren't drafted highly.
You know, Jordan Davis was a top twenty pick in
the draft.

Speaker 3 (33:38):
Yeah, and they also manipulate well to get those they did.
They made a lot of good They make trades and
now they have a.

Speaker 5 (33:45):
Roundation and now they now they have Jalen Carter in place.

Speaker 4 (33:48):
They have like the most important thing is is when
they manipulated and moved around the board, they hit the pick. Right,
they didn't take Jalen Polk instead of Lad McConkie.

Speaker 5 (33:58):
Right, right, take Jalen Rager.

Speaker 4 (34:01):
But that was a wild ago. You're going back.

Speaker 5 (34:04):
I know, I'm just messing.

Speaker 3 (34:06):
All right, let's keep going. Let's let's let's proceed. Nate's
in Connecticut. What's up, Nate? Hey? Hey?

Speaker 1 (34:16):
Good?

Speaker 12 (34:17):
Uh So my question for you guys is, with the
trade deadline quickly approaching, I see us not adding a
wide receiver, even though people say we we we're gonna
try to.

Speaker 10 (34:30):
I don't see that.

Speaker 12 (34:32):
I see plenty of potential with Kashan Boody. I know
we signed dig was like a one year deal. I
think three years three year, okay, But you know, with
Hop Douglas, I think we have enough in the wide
receiver room. It's just I feel like we can add
some depth at corner because I've seen Carton Carson Davis,

(34:57):
you know, get shaken off after a lot of plays,
and I don't know how many plays he's gonna come
back up, Uh, not without a scratch, if you know
what I'm saying. But I see I see aid in,
probably a cornerback and maybe a couple of defensive playmakers,
just to beef up the defense. But I want you
guys to know from that, I think, Okay.

Speaker 1 (35:18):
Yeah, I saw Sweet this morning.

Speaker 11 (35:19):
Shoot, I forget who it was from saying that the
Patriots had been more interested in defensive players. That's what
the rumblings are for the trade deadline, looking at cornerbacks
and linebacker.

Speaker 1 (35:28):
That what it was.

Speaker 3 (35:29):
I think that's probably where the value is.

Speaker 11 (35:31):
Yeah maybe, but yeah, I just I still think they're
searching for some pieces on defense even now.

Speaker 5 (35:38):
Yeah, I'm not saying it never happens, but I wouldn't
get your hopes up that they're gonna make like a
splash or like a team altering type of trade in
the middle of the season. They might make a trade
for depth. You know, they might get another corner in here.
To Nate's point that you know, just in terms of insurance,
if you know, somebody one of those top three guys

(35:59):
gets hurt and they don't love Charles Woods or they
don't love Alex Austen. You know, they could do that,
They could get you have some more depth in safety
with all the injuries that they've had recently at safety.
But I don't think that they're going to be able
to get a player that's really going to move the needle. Now,
it happens sometimes, it doesn't never happen, but it's it's
pretty rare.

Speaker 1 (36:19):
Yeah, look at edge depth too. You know.

Speaker 5 (36:21):
That's sure drum beat for me.

Speaker 11 (36:23):
But I think they'll do something and I I just
running back. We keep bringing it up, but what's going
to happen there? Not gonna let Remandre carry the load
for you know, all by himself.

Speaker 4 (36:33):
In the last I'm surprised. And it is definitely depending
on where you look like Jeremy Fowler said they are
absolutely in the running back market. I think Diana Rossini
said they're not.

Speaker 3 (36:44):
In the running back market.

Speaker 4 (36:45):
I don't know what to believe, but I can't imagine
that if they had an opportunity. I agree with Evan
big splash is probably unrealistic, but they need just depth
pieces at running back. I can't imagine you want to
go with the rest away with two guys.

Speaker 5 (37:01):
And I was surprised they haven't moved on a running
back me too.

Speaker 11 (37:04):
And I mean, I'm I'm not reading too much into it.
I just highlight like Rabel saying in the locker room
after the game to Terrell Jennings, we found our what
our ten or.

Speaker 1 (37:12):
Five minute back, like you know, I don't know if
that was.

Speaker 11 (37:14):
Real or like, but to me it would like perk
my ears up a little bit of are you going
to give him some more carries?

Speaker 1 (37:20):
Was that just garbage like that? Right?

Speaker 3 (37:24):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (37:24):
I mean that was garbage time arries. That's not the
same thing.

Speaker 11 (37:28):
It might know that, Yeah, no, I know that's and
that's why I said, like I wasn't saying like, but
it just highlighted to me like they're saying we found
our something, like you're looking for something at that. Not
to say that Terrell Jennings is going to be that guy,
but it's just a glaring need right now. And you know,
I think we all know if Romandrie goes down with
like an injury, you know, on Sunday, like what do
you do now? It's it's Tyl Jennings show pretty much.

Speaker 3 (37:49):
Yesterday, Paul and I revealed that on one of Paul's
shows they were confused as to when Drake May was picked.
Like on one of his shows, they said that kind
of the top five because they us that last game
last year and they didn't have the top pick overall,
they weren't able to pick.

Speaker 1 (38:06):
They screwed up their high rounds.

Speaker 3 (38:07):
Yeah, so Barton Poland said to the Caleb May discussion
from yesterday, we got May because we lost to the
Jets in the last game of that season. And to
that and to that game, a big portion of the
fan base was quietly and not quietly rooting for lost.

Speaker 11 (38:23):
Me included that there was a lot I mean, there's
alkick Denver on Christmas was like what initially cost them
the number one pick in that draft and then they
like got Yeah, there's a lot of different things they
the Giants kick.

Speaker 5 (38:38):
Obviously they had a chance to win that game at
the end and he missed that one. So there's a
lot of different like.

Speaker 4 (38:43):
If you want to say thank god that they won
those games, like the Pittsburgh and Denver game that everybody
makes fun of down the stretch, you could say in retrospect,
you got the best quarterback, so thank god that they
won those games. And I gave you the third pick
because you may not have if you had the first pick.
Maybe you would have.

Speaker 3 (39:01):
Right many however, including Febrar rooting for a win not
only because you always root for win, but because you
couldn't live with Bill's last game as our head coach
being a loss to the Jets, even if it costs
us a top three pick. Now I have a question.
I don't remember that. Now I have a question for
those people. Fred you can answer. Have you, at any
point since twenty twenty four, since January twenty twenty four,

(39:24):
thought about that game regretted not winning it, because I
haven't seen it mentioned once since then, would you swap
getting May for Bill winning his last game as our
head coach? I think I know the answer. I don't remember.

Speaker 4 (39:37):
Winning on not winning that game did not have any
impact on you getting May or not. If you lost
the game, you were where you were, like, I mean,
what are we doing?

Speaker 5 (39:47):
I think if they had lost the game, they might
have been second instead of third, but you would have
still been picking between Jayden Daniels and Drakes.

Speaker 4 (39:55):
So if they won the game, where do they go?
They go fifth.

Speaker 5 (39:59):
If they had won the game. Aim, Uh, I don't know, honestly, And.

Speaker 4 (40:03):
I suppose there's an argument that Bart's making. He's probably right,
but probably has this right because I don't have the
whole draft in front of me. Maybe if they won,
one of the teams that picked after them would have
taken me.

Speaker 5 (40:15):
Or jumped ahead of them.

Speaker 4 (40:16):
That's what I'm saying, they would have jumped ahead of them,
and maybe.

Speaker 3 (40:19):
Yeah, who knows, butterfly effect, You never know, you never know.

Speaker 5 (40:24):
Well, he was definitely going in the top three, but
I don't know. I don't know exactly. I don't remember
because after the Patriots took three, I think it went
to six for the Giants. Right, Oh man, this is
a couple of drafts.

Speaker 3 (40:38):
Never mind. Yeah, let's get back to the phone. Melvin's
in Tennessee. What's up, Melvin, How's going on.

Speaker 6 (40:45):
I was just gonna say, it's great to just obviously
have like an offensive team we can win and score
as a big difference when you have a game of
a team that deep, the focus is hard. Like on
every game with like Intendas, it was just it's a
lot it's hard to do, and like policy is, I
think it's like it not really sustainable. And I think Cleveland,

(41:09):
I think about it was one of those teams recently.
They had like a defensive led team a couple of
years ago. Then the get Houston offed the floor with him.
I'll never forget that in the playoff game. So it's
still just hard to do. But with that being said,
I'm going to go twenty four Patriots. Cleveland say thirteen.

Speaker 3 (41:29):
Twenty four to thirteen. Okay, okay, yeah, I can see that. Okay,
thanks Mervin. Sorry I missed you in Nashville.

Speaker 6 (41:38):
A good lock stuff going off?

Speaker 3 (41:40):
All right? I got Youah, he texted me. By that time,
pants were off. I was in bed, so oh when
you were in Nashville. Yeah, I'm sorry. I wasn't. I wasn't.
I wasn't about to go out.

Speaker 4 (41:52):
I don't know what you're going to do on your time,
but each other you.

Speaker 1 (41:56):
Up, you up, you up.

Speaker 3 (42:02):
Eldred's in North Carolina? What's up? Eldred?

Speaker 13 (42:08):
Hey?

Speaker 9 (42:08):
Alan?

Speaker 14 (42:09):
He's how you doing?

Speaker 1 (42:11):
Belgian?

Speaker 14 (42:11):
I'm gonna make this. I'm gonna try and make this quick,
Evan on which thanks soldier and oh pray, why are
y'all arguing because this is what we do years that
we went thirty. I know you wouldn't thirty have to
pick everybody else will be picked being garbage because in
the middle of laugh of the Witch cop and most
of them still ain't with the Kings, I ain't ain't

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coming up with Graybell cut down on top. Before doing
the draft, you wouldn't have got made. If you were
drafted twenty eight, you wouldn't have got God.

Speaker 4 (42:44):
We wouldn't.

Speaker 5 (42:47):
It's a very chicken or the egg now that I'm really.

Speaker 6 (42:52):
Okay.

Speaker 15 (42:52):
But but what I'm saying is what I'm saying is.

Speaker 14 (42:55):
You get the top guys at the top of the draft. Okay,
that's what we did for the.

Speaker 5 (43:02):
I know, I know, But if you're drafted twenty eight down,
I know that we're just going to have to agree
to disagree.

Speaker 1 (43:10):
But I think we all agree on the quarterback part
of the argument.

Speaker 11 (43:13):
And I think we spent too much time over the
last couple of years analyzing how do the Patriots get
the next quarterback?

Speaker 1 (43:18):
And all that.

Speaker 11 (43:19):
Well, you had like little polls and research and all
kinds of stuff. And if you want a.

Speaker 4 (43:22):
Great quarterback, I mean, in general, I'm one thousand percent
locks to me, the.

Speaker 11 (43:26):
Bottom line, that's what you need to do and like
and I also here though you know, there's no set
way to do it. Like you know, you can't say, well,
we're going to get the four key positions and four consecutive.
You know, it worked out that way pretty well for
the Patriots, But I think that's kind of rare.

Speaker 1 (43:40):
There's usually going to be a hole. You got to
try to figure out one of those important positions. And
you know, but I think we all agree on the quarterback.

Speaker 11 (43:47):
That's where if you like you want sustained excellence and
you want to get a legit guy with all.

Speaker 4 (43:51):
The taps quarterback, where you're going to end up picking
in the top five. Yeah, and once you do it,
you have to make sure you hit you know, you
know the Jets do it all the time, right, they
just don't seem to hit the quarterback. I mean, but
if you don't have the quarterback, I.

Speaker 5 (44:05):
Just think we're in a chicken under of the egg
situation because like, in order to get to picking twenty
eighth in the draft, you had to have found the
quarterbacks at point, I don't know what it's a quarterback,
you probably needed to pick them in the top ten.

Speaker 7 (44:17):
And that's why it's not black and white.

Speaker 8 (44:19):
Right like the beginning of this whole debate, you guys
are once Evan's arguing black, you guys are arguing white,
and then you find the gray area in between. Because
there's thirty two teams and everything is so circumstantial every
single year that there's no way to.

Speaker 7 (44:33):
Just replicate a process.

Speaker 8 (44:34):
You can't just look at a roadmap and say we're
going to do it this way, because every circumstance is
so different.

Speaker 5 (44:39):
I also think it's stealing.

Speaker 4 (44:43):
Nuance to everything. And that's what Fred was saying. There's
a lot of different ways to do it, and I
would just just, you know, to put a bow on it.
I would just say that's why I don't think Washington's doomed.
I don't think they're doomed because I think they got
the part that's the hardest to get again, assuming he
stays healthy and now I don't think you need those

(45:04):
high high picks to get the other things that they
still need. The rosters obviously flawed, it's not a great.

Speaker 5 (45:09):
I don't think they're doomed. I just think that what
I would say you're.

Speaker 11 (45:14):
To have going a little run and cost themselves, right.

Speaker 5 (45:18):
It just I look at Washington's roster now, and you
know they have tunsl a left tackle, so maybe they're
they'll figure that out. But like, can you even like
name like a star defensive player on that team, like Frankie,
I Like.

Speaker 4 (45:33):
I don't know if they have a star. You know,
I don't think they have a guy as good as
Christian Gonzales.

Speaker 5 (45:38):
But I mean, and once Terry McLaurin starts to age
out at the receiver position, they don't need to get
what's behind him is really really not great. So it
just those types of positions. You know, it might be
in a position to draft Jordan Tyson and fix the
receiver thing.

Speaker 11 (45:55):
I think the Steelers are just the right example though,
of a team that just is always good enough to
not get that guy and you know what's not going quarterback?

Speaker 1 (46:03):
Right, Yeah, they're always in the middle of the draft.

Speaker 3 (46:06):
You can really come up with every scenario. You can
find a team, whether currently or in the you know,
near pass that fits that yeah criteria, like Dallas is
Pittsburgh is thing whatever? I mean, I mean, where do
you categorize Dallas. I mean, they've got the quarterback, they've
got everything at their disposal off and they just can't

(46:26):
get over that hump, you know, so like why do you.

Speaker 4 (46:29):
That's a different argument, but it's another example of what
you're talking.

Speaker 3 (46:33):
It's just like you can find examples to fit any argument.

Speaker 4 (46:37):
Their problem isn't drafting, and their problem isn't the roster construction.
Their problem is the owner won't hire a coach that's
any good because you won't spend any money on it.

Speaker 11 (46:45):
Yeah, I mean, I think we've had such an up
close look though, at the disparity in quarterbacks just between
you know, Drake May at third and Mac Jones and
talk about all the time. You could tell from day
one that Mac is going to be limited and no
matter what it looked like, sometimes he's going to struggle
to hit the deep out.

Speaker 1 (47:02):
With, you know, on a frozen rope. And then you
get Drake May and you just see the physical.

Speaker 11 (47:07):
Talent that a top five pick has, that he has
every tool in the toolbox, and that his first glance,
you're thinking, God, if this kild could ever put it
all together, and lo and behold, now we're kind of
actually seeing that come to fruition.

Speaker 5 (47:18):
And nine times out of ten, the quarterback that can
hit the deep out on a frozen rope is drafted
in the top.

Speaker 1 (47:25):
Any argument.

Speaker 5 (47:26):
But you know, like when you start drafting the quarterbacks,
you know, fifteen twenty twenty five, that's Mac Jones, that's
can he Pickett? That's some accuracy like that those where
or it's like a Will Levis who has the physical
tools but doesn't have the accuracy, doesn't have it up here,
you know, like it's that's the way, that's what you're
picking from.

Speaker 11 (47:45):
Yeah, I mean, and there's always going to be well
this random guy on day two, you know, like that's
always but you can't ever rely on that.

Speaker 1 (47:51):
And I don't think it's ever a plan.

Speaker 4 (47:53):
You know, it's not a plan, not a plan that
happens happen. If Jackson dart ends up being like the
next big thing, then you know, good for Brian Dable
and Joe Shane and they kind of lucked into it.

Speaker 5 (48:05):
It's really rare, honestly that they wanted Drake May.

Speaker 3 (48:08):
Yep.

Speaker 5 (48:09):
It happens very rarely that there's that middle ground of
like the guy that was drafted like twentieth Like usually
it's either the top five or it's like Jalen Hurts
right and Jimmy g There's like not a whole lot
of in between. There of like a guy that was
drafted twenty third in the first round and ends up
being a franchise quarterback. It's either late or early, and

(48:31):
there's really, you know, not a lot in between.

Speaker 3 (48:34):
Carlos salt Lake, First off, Paul, I just want to
say you only slightly hurt my feelings with your terse
response from the short question Fred read from my email
about Henderson's usage. I've mostly recovered anyway. My actual question
is for Evan on Chisholm's eight or nine offensive snaps
last game, what was his role out there? Was it

(48:55):
mostly motioned decoy or did he have any design routes
or blocking responsible abilities? And do you think they might
be building toward using him more on offense as the
season goes on.

Speaker 5 (49:06):
Well, they used him in a lot of three receiver sets.
I mean he blocked mostly. He's on the field for
like eight or nine plays, and I think he blocked
on six of them, like so he's mostly used as
a blocker. I think he only ran two routes off
the top of my head. But a lot of it was,
you know, blocking was very able. WOU put it blocking force,
blocking safeties, blocking linebackers, play strength, you know, that sort

(49:29):
of thing. But they wanted to get three receivers on
the field and run out of eleven personnel because they
just liked that matchup against Tennessee's nickel package. So they
decided to go with Chisholm instead of going with Digs
or with Pop Douglas in that situation. So they went Booty, Chisholm,

(49:50):
Hollins and they've kind of I assume they felt like
those were their three best run blocking receivers and that
was like most of the packages that he was on
the field in so long way to say blocking, but
I thought he wanted a little bit more, so I tried.

Speaker 1 (50:08):
It courteous of you.

Speaker 5 (50:09):
You're a really good block on a duo run that
Remandre bounced to fourteen yards. You're a really good block there.

Speaker 1 (50:16):
I pointed out to Paul when it was happening real time.

Speaker 4 (50:18):
Yeah, make sure you saw it.

Speaker 5 (50:19):
A really good job of like not I don't remember
that either. Once once Remandra once the ball bounced and
Remondre started to run by him, of letting go, because like,
if you don't and the defender just reaches like this,
you're gonna get called for holding. So it was a
really good block. There's your block talk.

Speaker 3 (50:36):
Let's go to Jason in Connecticut. What's up Jason?

Speaker 9 (50:41):
Hey, gentlemen, how are we doing today? So first of all,
I want to start with a little praise, because you
guys deserve it. I say this a few times, I've
called I've already said it, but Paul, you are my
absolute favorite force personality in the entire industry.

Speaker 3 (50:58):
Personality.

Speaker 4 (51:00):
Praise, Thank you.

Speaker 1 (51:03):
Ja subscribed that go ahead.

Speaker 4 (51:05):
It's one of the nicest things anyone's ever said to me.

Speaker 9 (51:08):
And you know that. I think I've been listening for
about fifteen years and the show I think is the
best it's ever been. Juice Evan, you had so much
Fred you're a king maker, like You've put together just
the asked little best show.

Speaker 3 (51:21):
Thank you.

Speaker 5 (51:22):
So I have a couple of blown away by all
this praise.

Speaker 10 (51:27):
Yeah, we're.

Speaker 9 (51:29):
I I have a couple of questions that I think
Andy Hart would be asking right now if you know
a part of the show, and I'll take my answers
off air. But they're I think they're pretty reminiscent of
what he's saying back when he was a member of
the show. Worst question is is this a playoff team
or is it a team that will make the playoffs?

(51:50):
And my second ques will this season be a failure
if they don't win a playoff game? Pick my answer
at the air, thank you so much for everything you do.

Speaker 4 (52:03):
Yeah, those are two questions that Andy would probably ask. Yeah,
I would say definitively, no, it's not a you make
the playoffs. And if you make the playoffs and lose
a game, I don't think it. I mean, it's disappointing, but.

Speaker 11 (52:15):
Very disappointing, not a failure, especially if you're at home
and you magine, like, let's.

Speaker 4 (52:19):
Just say, for arguments sake, you win the division and
you host the Pittsburgh at the audust how about the
surging Baltimore Ravens. Sure right, you're going to call that,
you know, a failure if you can't be a team
that was supposed to go to the super Bowl before
the season started but for a lot of different reasons
found themselves as the last wild card or whatever. You know, Yeah,

(52:40):
squeaked in not a failure. The first one I don't
think we have enough information on you. I mean before
a playoff team or a team that's going to make
the play.

Speaker 11 (52:47):
I mean the way man is playing right now, I
would say that if he continues to play like that,
that should be a playoff team. You have an MVP
candidate playing at that kind of high level end.

Speaker 4 (52:56):
But I need to see him play against other teams
before I can.

Speaker 8 (53:00):
I think even if, even if they don't win a
playoff game. Though, like the beginning of this season, none
of us had any expectations, and we're like, a successful
season looks like a sizeable year two jump for Drake
May and I think we already.

Speaker 3 (53:11):
You took the words out of my mouth before the season.
Before the season, I said, you know, people, we had
the discussion for you what would be a successful season?
I said, for me, you're competitive in games, and you
in Drake May is knowing you have the knowing you
have the guy.

Speaker 4 (53:27):
But that can never change.

Speaker 3 (53:28):
No, but that's what I said before the season.

Speaker 5 (53:30):
No, No, but they're good at that.

Speaker 4 (53:32):
And no, but I would agree with that.

Speaker 3 (53:34):
But do you agree like.

Speaker 5 (53:36):
I think that there is a lot to be said
for proof of concept of winning a playoff game, like
I keep on going back to it, but like if
they make the playoffs, like the mac Jones Patriots made
the playoffs, and then.

Speaker 4 (53:47):
They get to be a disappointed and they get you know,
their doors boarding off of them in the wildcard round.

Speaker 5 (53:51):
Maybe it's not forty seven to seventeen, but but they
weren't competitive, right, they didn't. They weren't ever going to
win the game. I do think that dad kind of
gets you into a position and of well, is this
who we are or where we actually a tend win team?
And like it are you.

Speaker 3 (54:05):
See that season? I wouldn't consider a failure for this team.

Speaker 5 (54:08):
It's not a failure. It's just it presents more uncertainty
going into the off season of like how good were
you really and like how far away are you really sure?
Versus if you want a playoffs way, I need.

Speaker 4 (54:21):
To know more before I can answer the first question
the second question. I don't think there's any way we
could say failure.

Speaker 5 (54:27):
No, not a failure. It's not a failure. It's just
you know, again going into next off season, like how
good do you feel about their roster and about not
necessarily about Vrabel, but about the.

Speaker 11 (54:37):
Roster right, Like, how many times are the past couple
years when we went to seven teams in each conference,
do you feel like the seventh team is like this
is a flawed It's Steelers, like you know, the last
three years, they don't really have a chance. But you
know where we sit right now today And Paul, you
kind of rattled it off. Is there any team right
now that you'll be like, they don't have a chance
in the AC.

Speaker 1 (54:56):
Like you know it, I'll put them up against anybody
and see you.

Speaker 4 (55:00):
Yeah, today, but I definitely change my opinion on that.
Like Kansas City looks like they're going to be a
much different you know, in about a month than they
were the first month of the season.

Speaker 3 (55:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (55:08):
Sure, And Buffalo starts surgery and you got to go
to Buffalo's that's all right.

Speaker 3 (55:13):
We got to take a break. When we come back,
I won't be here, but I'll be back before picks.
Uh So, all right, yeah, taking a break.

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Speaker 11 (57:23):
All right, we're excited to be joined this week after
practice with Mike on when you Mike, thanks for stopping
by here.

Speaker 1 (57:28):
Off the practice field. Appreciate it.

Speaker 11 (57:29):
Look, you've been here a while, your sixth season. Now,
you've been through some ups and downs. Just what are
the vibes like right now? You guys are want four
games in a row. Seems like things are pretty positive.

Speaker 3 (57:38):
Yeah, the vibes are good. Horror Mission.

Speaker 13 (57:40):
You know, each week we're improving, looking at last week
and trying to improve on last week and just really
trying to be a better team. You know, as the
week's going, you know, we got to improve and put
better tape out there.

Speaker 4 (57:49):
Yeah, what was the We had a good locker room
video after that Tennessee when I know that meant a
lot to Coach Rabels, and it seemed like it meant
a lot to you guys too, like the just the
reactions of the on the all the players faces.

Speaker 3 (58:02):
What was that environment like for you?

Speaker 13 (58:04):
Yeah, it was a great feeling. I think we all
just embodied that win. I' suly it was for coach
Rabel and it was where he was before, so I
mean we wanted that win badly, but also I mean
every week we want to wins, but that one specifically
for Coach Rabel.

Speaker 11 (58:20):
Want to ask you a little bout your offensive line.
You got two new guys, two new vets next year.
Me Morgan Mos he's like the pied piper in the
locker room, cracking me up. You know, what has it
been like with those guys, both on the field and
off the field. And Garrett, Yeah, it's been very solid.
On the field.

Speaker 13 (58:34):
I mean it's been great playing next to Garrett and
Mo both smart players, both great players in the locker room.
I mean, is it's you know, it's fun all around.
You know guys that's been around, older guys, but you
know they've seen a lot and you know we can
pass out about a lot and just have fun.

Speaker 3 (58:49):
For the oil.

Speaker 1 (58:49):
Is it.

Speaker 11 (58:50):
I always felt like there's a little bit of a
period the beginning of the season. You need some time
for chemistry and kind of get to know each other
a little bit.

Speaker 1 (58:56):
Is that Is that the case.

Speaker 11 (58:57):
With like, you know guys like this now you played
you know, handful of games with them.

Speaker 13 (59:00):
Yeah, I would say, I mean it's obviously you know,
as as an olne, you want to build that over time,
and you know before the season. I mean it comes
to spring, the summer and you know, working through camping
and all that. But you know it's been built up
and you know we've got a girt relationship everyone on
the line in a long room.

Speaker 3 (59:16):
So it's it's been good.

Speaker 4 (59:17):
So we talked to coach Vabel at this press conference.
All the time he talks to us about turning the
page after the Monday following the game. So it's Cleveland
this week and obviously some some big names up on
that defensive line. What's what's the process been like preparing
for that group this week.

Speaker 13 (59:32):
Yeah, you know, they have a good line, they have
a good defense overall, So I mean it's you know,
for us as an O line, we're focused on our
guys and our matchups. Like you said, they have a
bunch of great players, so you know, we're just going
to do our thing, focused, game plan and get ready
for the game.

Speaker 4 (59:47):
What have you seen from the rookie Mason Graham. I'm
just curious if you've got any interaction with him, you know,
from from Michigan.

Speaker 3 (59:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (59:55):
Yeah, I went back a couple of times and we've spoken.
Always saw him and KG was a great player, you know,
coming out in the same year. I think he's going
to be a great player. But you know, to be
fun going against him.

Speaker 11 (01:00:06):
Like, what do you I got to ask you about
Drake just he is on a heater right now. What's
it like for you as an offensive lineman You're blocking
for a player like that and you're you know, watching
the ball go down the field, scores all that.

Speaker 13 (01:00:15):
Yeah, I'm trying not to watch the ball, but it's fun.
You know, you block and then you look back and
you see the ball going over your head and just
you know, scoring on those it's like last week, but
it's fun. It's you know, is he electric? Playing with
Drake and you know you just never know what he's
going to do.

Speaker 11 (01:00:30):
Hasn't been an adjustment at all for you playing with
a mobile quarterback like that over the last couple of seasons.

Speaker 3 (01:00:35):
Not so much.

Speaker 13 (01:00:37):
I try to keep like on the same spot and
just knowing where the quarterback is going to be at
least when he's throwing the ball. But you know, you
can't account for stuff like that, but just always trying
to stay on my guy and just make sure he
doesn't affect a quarterback.

Speaker 4 (01:00:47):
I was exciting has it been for you guys? You know,
the last couple of years the offense has quite frankly struggled.
But this year, you guys are moving the ball virtually
every game. You're putting points on the board, and just
how rewarding has that been?

Speaker 13 (01:00:58):
Part of it has been very just as an olon.
I mean, you know, it starts with us. So when
the plays work, you know, it's we're obviously doing a
good job. When they don't, you know, we got to
do a better job. So that's been our main focus
every game. Just focusing on on our jobs as olon,
creating lanes and creating space for rejected throw the ball.

Speaker 4 (01:01:17):
And what do you remember, you know, like what has
it been like with Josh, you know, back running this offense,
and how has it been for you with the McDaniels.

Speaker 13 (01:01:24):
Yeah, I was saying it's I mean, I'm not gonna
say it's the same Josh. You know, he's the same guy,
a great coach. So it's been fun getting back to
work with him. And I think he's been bringing new
things to the table this year, into the playbook this year,
which you know, as we've been seeing through the games.
I mean we've been having some chunk plays, some electric
plays and you know, just throw the ball down the field.

Speaker 1 (01:01:45):
Wrap it up. You guys have been on the road
for three weeks. You're finally back home.

Speaker 11 (01:01:48):
You know how important is it to get back home
and really establish this place as a home field event?

Speaker 3 (01:01:52):
Is very important?

Speaker 13 (01:01:53):
You know, it's uh we got to established one in
winning at home and uh, making teams feel that when
they come into.

Speaker 1 (01:01:58):
Our home Awesome, thanks, mine, appreciate it.

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History.

Speaker 4 (01:03:25):
Does that make any sense? I think the Patriots almost
stole one. They were in position to steal the game.
They're on the twenty five yard line, up three with
five minutes. You've got to put that game. Well, I
would say that they were better.

Speaker 3 (01:03:40):
But when you dropped the ball five six times, does
that make you the better team?

Speaker 4 (01:03:44):
Yeah, it means you were better. You just you just
didn't execute.

Speaker 3 (01:03:47):
So when you drop the ball makes you better? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:03:49):
They were they. I mean, these guys just told you
how open these guys were. You were lucky, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:03:53):
But if you drop the ball, you dropped the ball.
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Speaker 5 (01:03:57):
Right, he would have found four hundred.

Speaker 4 (01:03:59):
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Speaker 3 (01:04:04):
Wanted to do. I think they wanted to catch the ball.

Speaker 4 (01:04:07):
Did you ever see anybody so maddening as this?

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Right?

Speaker 4 (01:04:11):
Like, right, I know they wanted to make the field
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a bad that's bad execution exactly, right, So what like
what are we doing?

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Speaker 11 (01:04:25):
All right, welcome back, and yes, the malcontents Fred Kersh
and Evan Lazar have left the show briefly, so we'll
have a little bit of piece here before picks.

Speaker 4 (01:04:33):
When I ever thought that I would remain on the
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Speaker 11 (01:04:39):
I think my favorite part was when Paul would just
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Go the.

Speaker 4 (01:04:47):
No, when Fred started saying you don't have to take
the quarterback or.

Speaker 1 (01:04:55):
Had an easy start to the show, We're just hang out.
That was fun.

Speaker 4 (01:04:59):
Evan very Fos was like the great uniter.

Speaker 8 (01:05:02):
She was like, you guys yourselves yourselves without even realizing
it started with you being like, well, friend, Chill, I'm
not going.

Speaker 3 (01:05:12):
I mean not doing the whole.

Speaker 4 (01:05:13):
You don't need to take the quarterback in the first time.

Speaker 11 (01:05:16):
Maybe I need your advice all because sometimes I feel
like it said, when you're on the outside of an
argument and you don't really feel like you're in it,
and then like is it annoying? Then with somebody from
the outside just comes in and it's like starts jumping
in with.

Speaker 1 (01:05:28):
You know, their take, and it's like you're not even
in the argument.

Speaker 4 (01:05:31):
So you were listening and you were staying on the outside,
and I was sort of on the outside. But every
once in a while I would interject, Now, was it annoying? No?

Speaker 11 (01:05:40):
No, no, But but I felt like I would have
been with you and Fred and I, you know, and
I felt Evan was kind of like, you know, that was.

Speaker 3 (01:05:46):
I didn't want to be. I kind of agree with you.

Speaker 8 (01:05:50):
Changed, Like I feel like we know Evan well enough
to know that, like when he's in.

Speaker 7 (01:05:55):
That certain tone, he's serious. Oh man, he just he
just took that octople.

Speaker 11 (01:06:00):
I would just say, I think Evan adores football and
like the amount that he thinks about it and studies
it and.

Speaker 4 (01:06:07):
And I just think that's part of it, is because
he studies so much of the tape and the film
and you know, the draft picks. Like he's enamored with
the draft picks. You know, like it's always about what
you know, what potential might be around the corner. And
I think that's the way he looks at it.

Speaker 1 (01:06:26):
But I think we found some common ground. I think
we I think we put it behind us, but you
never know.

Speaker 11 (01:06:32):
We'll see how things go next Tuesday when we get
back into it after the week. But let's so to
the phones here, guys, so to bang this out before
we got got picks, right, I'm kind of excited about
let's go to I think it's Michael in Michigan.

Speaker 1 (01:06:44):
Hey, Michael, could also be Michelle.

Speaker 4 (01:06:49):
Michael Michelle, good job, Duce felling Bread doesn't drop calls
somebody with my own name.

Speaker 3 (01:06:56):
It's definitely Michael.

Speaker 11 (01:06:57):
Oh, Michael, it's ae l a a right, let's go
about boat.

Speaker 4 (01:07:02):
Not if it's Michael ray Rage.

Speaker 1 (01:07:03):
It's easy Bo South Carolina.

Speaker 4 (01:07:04):
Hey Bo, Yeah, good job, Duce.

Speaker 7 (01:07:09):
Do you think they heard way for a second, they heard.

Speaker 1 (01:07:11):
My voice and they're like, no, Fred's not there.

Speaker 4 (01:07:14):
I don't want to deal with this.

Speaker 1 (01:07:16):
All right, We're going right down the line. Eric Lunenberg,
come on, Eric, come through for me.

Speaker 3 (01:07:23):
Eric.

Speaker 1 (01:07:25):
No, oh for three?

Speaker 3 (01:07:27):
Duce ouch ouch.

Speaker 4 (01:07:30):
That really is what you push away from the Blackjack kid.

Speaker 1 (01:07:33):
Yeah, I know I'm not winning today.

Speaker 4 (01:07:34):
That's my that's my rule. I'm gonna jump over. You're out.

Speaker 1 (01:07:37):
Yeah, all right, call back if you really want to
talk to us. I'll be back soon. Uh got one
from Jack, he says.

Speaker 11 (01:07:43):
My question, how can we get Trevion going against the
Browns this week will be an interesting matchup seeing his
college teammate Judkins on the other side. Man he thought
Henderson was the better prospect in the pre draft process.
It mirrors the Chubb Michell debate almost identically. Let's hope
you end up on the better side this time around.
What do you think about that comparison, PAULI.

Speaker 4 (01:08:02):
I think it's similar. Yeah, yeah, you know, two teammates,
different styles. Judkins was more of the traditional between the tackles,
you know, lead back type, you know, early down type,
and Henderson was a little bit more of a you know,
kind of a third down, well rounded home run hitter,

(01:08:24):
you know, get him on the edges, kind of similar
to the way we felt about Chubb in Michelle. Now,
what we didn't know about Michelle at the time was
the injuries that he came into the league with, how
bad his knee was when he was drafted. So I
don't think he was ever quite as dynamic as we
were led to be. Henderson is. We saw, We saw
the explosiveness in the summer, so hopefully there's still And

(01:08:46):
I agree, I think there's a chance that maybe, you know,
Cleveland is a really tough run defense, So maybe the
way you try to run the ball is a little
bit differently. Maybe it's you know, some draws out of
the Spring had some you know, get to get to the.

Speaker 1 (01:09:01):
Edges, use their aggressiveness against.

Speaker 4 (01:09:04):
Correct you know. I think if you want to line
up and just run, you know, Bill Belichick used to
say all the time, if you want to line up
and run your head into the into a brick wall,
you know that, you know what I remember, like the
famous Minnesota Monday Night game back on April five, six
ish Gabriel game. You know, it's like they got Pat
Williams and Kevin Williams and the inside and no one

(01:09:26):
could run for a yard. And I think that they
ran Corey Dillon on the first down of the game
and he got nothing, and they just fifty times by
design that's how they wanted to do it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:36):
I like that.

Speaker 11 (01:09:37):
And then I talked a little bit with that on
the preview just maybe you know, screen game getting him
out in space a little bit. I think everybody would
like to see that. But Judkins has been pretty good.

Speaker 4 (01:09:46):
I mean, Judkins has been powerful, and he's like, to me,
more reminiscent of Nick Chubby, you know who.

Speaker 11 (01:09:52):
Like the wheels just fall off the bus with these guys,
does that make sense?

Speaker 4 (01:09:55):
Well, he also had a major injured.

Speaker 1 (01:09:57):
Yeah, what was that one?

Speaker 4 (01:09:58):
Blew out his knee, then whole knee, the whole knee.

Speaker 11 (01:10:05):
David writes in just honestly, I love watching you all.
It's like watching family get together for the holidays every week,
nothing but arguing it between. However, the analysis are The
analyses are fantastic, The people of analyzes very educational.

Speaker 1 (01:10:19):
Thank you for that. In addition, Happy belated birthday to Alex.

Speaker 11 (01:10:21):
I turned thirty one before Alex was born, and life
continues to be fantastic. Keep it going, life, goods, good year.
That life doesn't end after thirty Alex.

Speaker 1 (01:10:29):
Don't worry.

Speaker 11 (01:10:30):
And I think you saw this email, Alex. Someone sent
in their wedding cake. This Morgan from South Dakota. We
alady got married and had a Patriots theme wedding cake.
Here's a picture of fantasy question should I start Drake
versus Cleveland or Baker versus New Orleans Drake? Also, what
do you think about the fourth, fourth, and fifteenth possibility
replacing the onside kick?

Speaker 1 (01:10:49):
We talked a little about that.

Speaker 4 (01:10:50):
Yes, I don't love it.

Speaker 1 (01:10:51):
I don't love it either.

Speaker 7 (01:10:53):
Subscribe to the newsletter to see that wedding cake.

Speaker 11 (01:10:56):
Yeah, did you have any Patriots stuff at your wedding call?
I know you were working, so that's probably bringing work.

Speaker 4 (01:11:00):
Patriots the wedding.

Speaker 3 (01:11:04):
No.

Speaker 4 (01:11:04):
The only thing I had is our entrance music was
crazy train okay when the wedding party got okay.

Speaker 8 (01:11:11):
Yeah, Like if Evan had a bigger wedding, he would
have something.

Speaker 1 (01:11:15):
It would have been like an all twenty two thing.

Speaker 4 (01:11:17):
But I didn't have anything in terms of likeation.

Speaker 1 (01:11:21):
What was it garter? Yeah, he garter. That was the
little Patriots thing. So you know the tradition were you
take the garter off there? It was the Patriots.

Speaker 4 (01:11:28):
I didn't do that.

Speaker 1 (01:11:29):
I didn't do that tradition. Did they still do that tradition?

Speaker 3 (01:11:33):
For sure?

Speaker 7 (01:11:34):
I haven't. None of my friends have had it, and
god knows i've been to.

Speaker 4 (01:11:37):
Yeah. I mean, but we didn't do the whole god thing.

Speaker 7 (01:11:42):
Yeah, even the bouquet. You don't see as much. I
like the bouquet.

Speaker 4 (01:11:45):
Yeah. Well, she she threw it from like up top too.
It was like it was like a salcony and she
threw it.

Speaker 1 (01:11:52):
I think in any of those situations, though, there were
at least two girls who really want it. They really
want it bad.

Speaker 4 (01:11:58):
Which always amazes me because this no guys. I've seen
guys literally go up. Then I've I've been one of them,
like hands and pockets that this thing is the only
way I could possibly get is if it sticks to me.

Speaker 1 (01:12:10):
The girls are like getting ready to elbow each other.

Speaker 4 (01:12:12):
And I did have a girlfriend that caught the bouquet one.

Speaker 1 (01:12:19):
Double faced palm on that one, and then you broke
up with her not long after.

Speaker 4 (01:12:25):
All right, I'm not saying that was or wasn't the reason.

Speaker 11 (01:12:28):
But it was like, I gotta cut this loose, go
back to the phones. Of course, Patty, always great to
hear from you on a non game day. How are
things during the week for you.

Speaker 3 (01:12:40):
Terrible?

Speaker 15 (01:12:45):
So I'll just say a couple of things scare me
in this game. Number one is Miles heard obviously Hall
the same player, And I think the tit ands are
pretty good, like Sannon is quietly having a good rookie season,
and of course and Jokos as a decent player. And
that's what we've seen that we've we've struggled against all
a year long. Is covering the middle of the field.

(01:13:06):
So just a couple of things that I worry about,
But I don't think it's going to be enough those
two variables. Fella, Cleveland win. I got our pass win
in this week, twenty seven to ten.

Speaker 1 (01:13:19):
Yeah, that's nice, Patty. It's kind of where I'm at too.

Speaker 11 (01:13:22):
But I'd just love to see the defense choke out
a bad offense from minute one to minute sixty.

Speaker 4 (01:13:28):
That's my biggest thing. I know everybody is looking to
see what the offense looks like against the good defense.
I just think offenses generally move the ball when they're
good offenses. I'm more curious to see if they can
take one of these bad offenses and make them look
like a bad offense.

Speaker 11 (01:13:44):
Yeah, right out of the gate, right out of the game,
don't give just you know, ten for ten, first drive
right down the field, didn't even face a third down.

Speaker 1 (01:13:52):
I'm over those. Go out to Cali. Hate Tim, what's
going on?

Speaker 3 (01:13:58):
Everybody?

Speaker 10 (01:13:59):
Happy delated birthday there, Alex. Give you some hope at
the age of thirty four. I actually moved to Austraia
for a couple of years, so you're not dead yet.
But the reason I was Colin was. I was scurious, Paul,
if you do get to talk to Logan or like

(01:14:21):
any of the former O linemen like David Andrews, like,
I think, curious to get their take on Garrett Wilson
and also Marcus Bryant's development, because I think a lot
of the nuanced Alex pointed out, you know, see the
draft person you know, free agency things is player development,

(01:14:42):
and I think those two are very young people who
have a great upside with their athletic ability. And I'd
love to hear what you know some of those guys
opinions are on the development of the O line.

Speaker 4 (01:14:55):
And Will Campbell yeah, yeah.

Speaker 10 (01:14:57):
And well I think will personality mirror Logan's a lot.
I remember reading an article when they drafted Logan Mankins
out of Present of the State. Yeah, he was to
step on people in college.

Speaker 4 (01:15:10):
Well just very soft spoken, quiet guys, but intense. Yeah,
I mean I could I see, I see you comp
there in terms of their personalities. Now, I think, actually.

Speaker 10 (01:15:22):
When when when he when he gets interviewed, he's very
thoughtful in all of that. I haven't heard any really
thing from Marcus Bryant yet, but I would be curious
on your take on those guys.

Speaker 1 (01:15:33):
In the Futuressim.

Speaker 4 (01:15:35):
Yeah, I mean we do get a chance every once
in a while to see David Andrews. He was in
the last home game, he was in the office. I
think it's also a little bit tough for those guys.
I mean, they just especially Andrews, he just came out
of that locker room, you know, so I don't ye
not telling you. He's not telling you what he really thinks.
But I'm not sure he's telling you what he really thinks.

Speaker 11 (01:15:59):
It's just so funny to go to see these guys
go from the locker room and being a player, and
you feel, you know, there's kind of like a dividing line,
and you don't really know how these guys view us
and the media generally and what we do. And then
all of a sudden their career ends and they're right
in it with us and doing the same kind of analysis,
and you know, it's just asking the same questions and
you know.

Speaker 1 (01:16:19):
Tweet hey Patriots fans, what are you thinking about? I'm like,
this is just bizarre, Like, you know, you were in.

Speaker 11 (01:16:23):
The locker room, you know, actually on the team not
too long ago, and now you know, here we are
all covering this sport.

Speaker 8 (01:16:30):
And he's doing it with a former teammate, which is
even funnier too, because horror is a little more removed.

Speaker 1 (01:16:35):
But still, yeah, I mean this, that's another part of it.

Speaker 11 (01:16:39):
That like when if your team gets good, it's like
it's not only good for the good players, it's good
for guys like bot Zolac and Brian Hoyer and you
know guys who just you know Brian Hoyer maybe you
know he's known in Cleveland a little bit, but you know,
these guys become known names around here.

Speaker 1 (01:16:52):
David Andrews.

Speaker 11 (01:16:53):
Everybody knows and loves David Andrews, and it's an easy,
you know, transition, especially in Boston. I don't know if
that happens everywhere. I would guess to some extent, but
I don't local.

Speaker 4 (01:17:00):
Stuff I think is there's a lot. I mean, if
you listen to like the radio broadcast, almost all of
them have a former players the color analyst. But what
the Patriots did was to so many you know, Rodney Harrison,
Teddy Bruski, Uh, you know Gronk Uh, Gronk Edelman.

Speaker 3 (01:17:20):
You know, they become national guys.

Speaker 4 (01:17:23):
You know, the mccordy Twins, like because of their ties
to the Patriots, I think, you know, their popularity around
the league is pretty evan. I mean Keith Evans. Heith
Evans was on NFL Network for a while. Willie McGinnis,
you know these guys. I don't think that just every
team gets all of those, but I think when you win,

(01:17:43):
like the Patriots did for twenty years, those names become household,
household names, and they get opportunities.

Speaker 7 (01:17:51):
Especially if you're talented, like I think the excellent.

Speaker 3 (01:17:54):
And I say that unbiased.

Speaker 1 (01:17:56):
I think I'm not sure which one, but one of
them is better than the other one. Wow, So I'm
not sure it might be Jason, because they do different.

Speaker 4 (01:18:12):
Jason makes fun of Devon all the time by saying
that he's better he's on the network, and Devin's more
of a studio guy. So like that.

Speaker 3 (01:18:20):
They're funny.

Speaker 1 (01:18:20):
They're in the studio guys. Set up to New Hampshire. Hey, justin,
thanks for calling in, Maria Taylor, Justin London, Barrison London Berry, damn,
so much was about to go off the rails. Here
we go, here, here she comes the Nico.

Speaker 7 (01:18:44):
I need to take a picture of this.

Speaker 1 (01:18:46):
Hello, the Nico what's up?

Speaker 10 (01:18:49):
Hello the guys.

Speaker 12 (01:18:50):
I actually just wanted to jump on quickly to which
my best friend Alex a happy belated birthday.

Speaker 7 (01:18:56):
Thanks Nico, love you.

Speaker 1 (01:18:57):
Thanks Nico. Any any questions about the Patriots.

Speaker 7 (01:19:02):
Are you sad you're not still here now that we're winning?

Speaker 9 (01:19:08):
No, because I'm going to Florida right now, so I'm
living the life.

Speaker 1 (01:19:11):
Oh all right, Nico. Well, thanks for Colin.

Speaker 3 (01:19:17):
Yeah, I miss you guys.

Speaker 10 (01:19:18):
Hopefully I'll see you soon.

Speaker 1 (01:19:19):
All right, Nico. Thanks bye.

Speaker 7 (01:19:22):
I talk to her every day.

Speaker 1 (01:19:23):
She still calls it pice for she kicking in on
you know. Uh. Email here from Christian from Virginia.

Speaker 11 (01:19:30):
Kick returns are looking a bit flat with Chisholm, and
I'm wondering why we don't have Travon Henderson back there.
I understand we don't want to risk losing more running
back depth, but he's not getting in any offensive touches.

Speaker 1 (01:19:40):
We drafted him with a high second round pick.

Speaker 11 (01:19:42):
We need to get him on the field, and if
they don't like him at running back right now, they
might as well have him returning kicks. I definitely don't
don't disagree about the kick returns being a little flat.

Speaker 8 (01:19:51):
But I do disagree with like getting him on the field,
because I think he's been on the field.

Speaker 11 (01:19:55):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Like last week, it was definitely pulled
back that I think Brabel said we felt like Romandre
was rolling a little bit and we kind of wanted
to stick with him. But we've talked about a plenty now.
They just it's gonna be hard to get through the
rest of the season. Just Romandra Stevenson a sprinkling of
Travon Henderson when you absolutely have to hopefully he improves

(01:20:16):
it again. I just keep going back to James White,
and you know, as much as this kid was billed
as he's coming ready to pass protect.

Speaker 1 (01:20:24):
In the NFL, it's there's been a learning carve for him.

Speaker 11 (01:20:26):
And Evans talked about how complicated it is, so you know,
I just I think we need a little bit of
patience with him. I still have a lot of confidence that,
you know, James White was nowhere close to what James
White was, you know, in twenty fifteen, and then the
year later he's scoring multiple times in the Super Bowl.
So I get it though, and I think they I mean,
and this is a great example of how it hurts

(01:20:47):
when you lost Antonio Gibson and not only hurt the
running back depth, but now you've got to protect Henderson
a little bit, and it kills both your lead kickoff returners.
So I get the idea, but they got to find
a way, find a way to get both those.

Speaker 1 (01:21:01):
Positions back up and running at a plus level.

Speaker 4 (01:21:04):
Plus plus, let's plus, we're gonna plus it up a
little bit.

Speaker 1 (01:21:07):
Do you want to listener on?

Speaker 11 (01:21:08):
Listener Crime from Cody Cody and Indiana. Hey, guys, so
Captain Moron in La starts off his call saying, you
have to draft in the top half for three years
to build a team.

Speaker 1 (01:21:18):
So Rabes, here's the plan.

Speaker 11 (01:21:19):
I need you to lose the rest of the games
this year and then lose about ten or eleven next year,
and then do that again in twenty twenty seven.

Speaker 1 (01:21:25):
That is the only way we can be a good team.
Good Lord, I swear this.

Speaker 4 (01:21:29):
I says, ass hat I wouldn't.

Speaker 1 (01:21:31):
Okay, I didn't. Is just trolling. Hang up the phone sooner, Fred,
that's from Cody and Indiana. So Director's thoughts to him, Christian.
But yeah, I think you know we all yeah, I
mean we all get it.

Speaker 4 (01:21:44):
I think we've exhausted that one right, Hey, Eddie and
LA's got a good one.

Speaker 1 (01:21:49):
You'll like, Paul, I have a trade idea tight end Isaiah.

Speaker 3 (01:21:52):
Likely ever time.

Speaker 4 (01:21:54):
Yeah, I don't see that happening.

Speaker 1 (01:21:56):
They're not going to unload one of their young.

Speaker 4 (01:21:59):
I was gonna say they might unload Mark Kansas right.
But again, I think there's a an element of whistling
past the graveyard among the AFC teams. Like Baltimore is dead.
I just you got to kill that team before I
you know, I'm talking about They're eliminated from postseason contention. Dead,

(01:22:22):
Like do you think it would be out of the
remo possibility that they could like win eight of the
next ten.

Speaker 1 (01:22:27):
No. In some ways, I feel like this is the adversity.
Maybe they finally need to like split that switch. And
but if you had to.

Speaker 11 (01:22:33):
Bet right now between Buffalo, Baltimore and Kansas City, who
would you say your money will be on to go
to farthest.

Speaker 1 (01:22:38):
In the playoffs?

Speaker 7 (01:22:43):
Buffalo for me?

Speaker 4 (01:22:44):
Buffalo, I think, But right now Kansas City has played
the best.

Speaker 1 (01:22:48):
Kansas City.

Speaker 4 (01:22:49):
I think Kansas City is still a little a little flawed.
But if you're asking me if Buffalo and Kansas City
are playing in the AFC Championship Game. I'll take Kansas
City into otherwise.

Speaker 11 (01:23:00):
I know it was Paul, You'll you'll have good perspective
on this because I feel like with Kansas City the
last few years, there's been like moments where people feel
they can bury them a little bit. There have been
injuries or there's just you know, they've had a you know,
this year a great example, they had a you know,
bad record start. But yeah, I don't think they started
great the last two years. Maybe I'm wrong on that
last show they went Okay, that's not not But wasn't

(01:23:22):
there like a feeling of like they.

Speaker 1 (01:23:24):
Won a bunch of one win games, one score games.

Speaker 11 (01:23:26):
And like they were kind of winning Like were the
Patriots always like that? Like were the Patriots every year
when they were you know, kicking everybody's butt? Did it
come in like this is the year to get the Patriots?

Speaker 1 (01:23:35):
Like I don't really.

Speaker 11 (01:23:35):
Remember them really having I mean maybe because I wasn't
like in it, like you guys, they.

Speaker 4 (01:23:40):
Had years that weren't as good as others, and some
of them ended up with Super Bowls and some of
them didn't, you know, like I thought there were there
were times where they looked vulnerable, like you know, five
oh six, you know, oh, I saw real flaws.

Speaker 1 (01:23:53):
Oh nins ten to eleven had real flaws, you.

Speaker 4 (01:23:56):
Know, yeah, you know, and fourteen people were openly wondering
nationwide if they were any good anymore. Trent Dilfer, you know,
they're not good anymore. And then the two and two
and yeah, don't go on and win the super Like.

Speaker 11 (01:24:11):
I just I'm wondering if this stuff is real or
if this is kind of created by us because you're
just kind of sick of the Chiefs winning and everybody
wants it to be like, well, what's who's the next Dyne?

Speaker 1 (01:24:19):
Is he going to be?

Speaker 11 (01:24:20):
And I think we've seen over the course with many
different sports that people get sick of the same team
winning over and over.

Speaker 4 (01:24:26):
And I agree with that, and I just would say
it's real that there's some vulnerability. Like when people were
wondering if the Patriots were quite as good, you know,
as they had been in the past. They weren't wrong.
What they underestimate is sort of that culture that comes
with it. This is why I think your boy Kyle Brandt,

(01:24:49):
Kyle Brandt, right, Yeah, he had a whole rant two
weeks ago when Kansas City was playing Detroit. Bury them. Now,
step in their throat, don't let them breathe, don't give
them life. Now's your chance. The rest of the league
has Kansas City on the ropes. Yeah, put them out

(01:25:10):
of their misery. Otherwise. Now, all of a sudden, two
weeks later, people are looking at Kansas City as the
team to beat in the AOC. They could have been
two and four. Now. I would not have buried them
at two and four either, but I understand what what
Kyle's yeah, you know, point was, you have a chance
to make it, make them have to go the long way,
you know, maybe make them a wild card. Now, would

(01:25:32):
you be surprised that they end up winning the division?

Speaker 1 (01:25:35):
Absolutely not.

Speaker 11 (01:25:36):
With San Diego Los Angeles banged up. I mean they're
floundering a little bit, all right. Hopefully we get Fred
back soon so we can do picks.

Speaker 1 (01:25:45):
We gotta hurry. Hey Kendall, what's going on?

Speaker 6 (01:25:49):
Hey, what's going on?

Speaker 1 (01:25:50):
Guys?

Speaker 4 (01:25:50):
Hey Kendall?

Speaker 9 (01:25:51):
Hey, I appreciate you shirts?

Speaker 3 (01:25:56):
Nice?

Speaker 4 (01:25:57):
Yeah, he got his, he got his shirt, actually got him.
Email me and let me know that. Yeah, I'm glad.
I'm glad Matt got them out.

Speaker 1 (01:26:02):
To you, good job Matt learned how.

Speaker 6 (01:26:04):
To millstone and also on what games down the streets
and I'll take it off, thank you.

Speaker 4 (01:26:11):
What games down the stretch? Could we see what split?

Speaker 5 (01:26:18):
Let's just pretend that's what it was.

Speaker 7 (01:26:19):
We hung up.

Speaker 3 (01:26:21):
Should we see them slipping up losing?

Speaker 5 (01:26:24):
Yeah? Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:26:25):
I mean I have a hard time talking myself into
the Jets in Miami. I know, you're like, they could
go those three are are still on the table with
those three to me kind of feel like you really
got to have.

Speaker 1 (01:26:35):
To lay an egg in those ones.

Speaker 4 (01:26:37):
I think that they could lose one of the games
to the Jets. I don't see them losing at home
to Miami. The Giants game, I think could be a
oh thank you, sneaky, tough game.

Speaker 3 (01:26:48):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:26:48):
I like to see how Yeah, I want to see
how the Giants respond to their collapse sometimes, you know,
bad teams, Yeah, lose a game like that. I'll go
back a year. Okay, four and two of the Chicago
Bears were in Washington, you know, ten seconds away from
going five and two, and they like never won again.
They think they won one more game out they gave

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up that Hail Mary and their season just unraveled and
they I think they won one game the rest of
the season like that. I could see that happening to
the Giants. The Giant should have won that game Sunday.
They had a chance to have some little momentum, you know,
continuing the little bump they've gotten from Jackson Dart. Would
you be stunned if they got boat raced by the

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Eagles this week in Philly? And really it's surprising you,
I know, Well, I just thought it's a little peek
into the picks that are coming up.

Speaker 11 (01:27:38):
Well, I would just say, like, as brutal as it
was to lose that way, I also feel like, shoot,
you have to take some positives from that that you
went into Denver.

Speaker 1 (01:27:47):
It's a hard place to play. They play every game
there and you know, and we're in it.

Speaker 4 (01:27:51):
The foreshadowing of the picks definitely disappointing the way that
it all went down, and you know, they had it
and then they didn't, and then they had it and
then they didn't.

Speaker 11 (01:27:59):
But I've never seen I didn't see a Patriots four
win team play a game like that.

Speaker 1 (01:28:03):
Over the last year.

Speaker 8 (01:28:04):
It was like served on a silver platter for them
to win, like they're just last few plays of the game.
They're just chucking a deep ball towards the end zone.
It doesn't work. They do it on fourth down and
they get a DPI call and you're on the what
one yard line? And then Sean Payton gets a penalty
and then you're liket like yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:28:22):
And when you're a young team, I think that's you know,
you you give yourself a little bit of grace in
those games of like, well, shoot, we can score points,
we can move the ball quick, we can you know again,
I just go back to that point.

Speaker 4 (01:28:32):
That game will be more difficult.

Speaker 1 (01:28:34):
It's funny you thought it would.

Speaker 4 (01:28:35):
Have been like say, a month ago.

Speaker 8 (01:28:36):
Yes, even like if you ask us at the beginning
of the season, look at the schedule and say like,
are you more worried about playing the Giants or going
to Buffalo and playing against Buffalo?

Speaker 4 (01:28:46):
And right, you know, but yeah, that's what that's That's
kind of what I'm saying now. It's like, we look
at a game like that a billion there's no way
the Giants are going to beat you. All of a
sudden they look different.

Speaker 1 (01:29:00):
Yeah, yeah, what did I miss anything?

Speaker 3 (01:29:03):
Good?

Speaker 11 (01:29:03):
Took some calls, talked a little bit we Mike and Fred.

Speaker 4 (01:29:09):
He took three straight calls Fred and got nothing but
dial times.

Speaker 1 (01:29:12):
Literally you could hear him hang up as soon as
I they heard my.

Speaker 4 (01:29:14):
They wanted no part of talking to Mic. It's really
kind of embarrassing. Fred left. I got no issues. I
got no interest.

Speaker 1 (01:29:24):
Now.

Speaker 11 (01:29:24):
I'd say though, for me, generally, pretty much every game
is just it's it's gonna be.

Speaker 4 (01:29:30):
I mean the games we know, we know, Buffalo, Baltimore, Cincy, Tampa,
those games I think everybody would consider those are difficult games.
You know, they you know, but out of the games
that quote unquote you'll you know, be expected to win,
the Giants is one that I would say might be a.

Speaker 1 (01:29:49):
Little more gas rushers, you know what I mean.

Speaker 11 (01:29:51):
They got they got guys I mean who are really
good athletes off the.

Speaker 4 (01:29:54):
Edge, so you know, but fortunately it's at home. Yeah,
like a Monday night at the meadow Lands, I think
would be the Giants seem to be they say, yeah,
they seem to play well in those kinds of spots.

Speaker 11 (01:30:05):
I just I think you can take confidence from that
game in Bove as much as they get over the
way it ended. And like again, like do you ever
remember the Patriots playing a game like that where you
know it with the Patriot.

Speaker 1 (01:30:15):
Games that they would win would be like, oh man,
they other team made some mistakes.

Speaker 11 (01:30:19):
We grinded out seventeen points and we won seventeen fourteen,
not you know, we were going up and down the field.
Then they went up and down the field, you know,
like those I see positives as young team.

Speaker 4 (01:30:30):
I mean, that would be a good sign for Brian
Dable if he's able to do it. But I could
absolutely see them winning another, like one more game the
rest of the year, because sometimes those are the game
we way the same old giants. It ain't happening for
us this year, no, Malik. I do think they're better
though in terms of talent, I mean that defensive front.

Speaker 11 (01:30:46):
There'll be some buzz next year with they get Neighbors
back and then they you know, Dart year two, depending
on how it.

Speaker 1 (01:30:52):
Goes the rest of the way. But yeah, they'll have
a little choice next year.

Speaker 3 (01:30:57):
NFL dot Com changed the way they do their schedule.
They don't list like Universe and all that stuff anymore.
So I don't I'm you're gonna have to scramble.

Speaker 1 (01:31:08):
Look, you want me to bring out a sheet.

Speaker 2 (01:31:10):
All right, it's that time. So Paul, how did we
do last week?

Speaker 4 (01:31:22):
Alex tops the list yet again twelve and three, Wow,
very good, followed by Mike at eleven and four.

Speaker 3 (01:31:31):
Against the spread, Paul and.

Speaker 4 (01:31:33):
Fred ten and five, and Evan didn't obviously have a
top five draft pick. He's trying to get picked.

Speaker 3 (01:31:42):
He's building for the future.

Speaker 4 (01:31:44):
It writes itself, it's too good. So season standings are
as follows. Alex seventy two to thirty five and one,
followed by Fred at seventy thirty seven and one, Mike
sixty eight, thirty nine and one, Paul no longer in
last place sixty three forty four and one, and Evan

(01:32:06):
sixty forty seven and one in his winning so with
the spread, Fred ten and five, followed by Alex and
Paul at nine and six, Mike and Evan at eight
and seven. So the spread, Fred just continues to run
away with it sixty one and forty seven, follow by

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Paul now in second place fifty four and fifty four.
The way adequate in my mediocrity, or as I like
to say, my adequition.

Speaker 3 (01:32:40):
You wereway. I was fack And.

Speaker 4 (01:32:44):
You know what, I had a really good week going,
and I took two upsets on Monday night and missed
them both as a killer. So I'm second fifty four
and fifty four, Alex fifty two and fifty six, Evan
forty nine and fifty nine, and Poopy Pants forty seven
and sixty one.

Speaker 1 (01:33:04):
Right back two back, two out of the gutter.

Speaker 4 (01:33:08):
All right, So that's where we stand.

Speaker 3 (01:33:09):
That's where we stand. Okay, So we start with tonight
on Prime. It's the three and three Vikings at the
four and three Chargers.

Speaker 4 (01:33:21):
Anybody have any injury information? The Charger is getting anybody back?
No Chargers are faired by three and a half. I
know that Wentz is playing again for the Vikings. But
the Chargers just that offensive line that that poor guy
that is it Decaloss deculous ye trying it. He's like
their fourth tackle and he's like limping all over the place.
They are just losing linemen like you read about.

Speaker 11 (01:33:44):
Yeah, well that's what really interests me with Brian Flores
and how aggressive he is and what I would row
with this offensive line. You know, Chargers still have the
quarterback advantage, and I love like the out of division,
out of conference road game.

Speaker 1 (01:33:59):
You know, the travel away. I'm torn. I think I'm
gonna I'm gonna take the Chargers, but I'm gonna take
the Minnesota hook. Take the point the three and a
half with Minnesota. I think it's good use of the hook.
Might I nailed it right?

Speaker 3 (01:34:12):
You didn't.

Speaker 1 (01:34:12):
Only took me six years.

Speaker 3 (01:34:14):
So the Vikings are getting three and a half. Correct.

Speaker 8 (01:34:20):
I'm gonna go with Vegas and just take the Chargers
both ways.

Speaker 4 (01:34:26):
Oh boy, I'm gonna do the mic thing. I'm gonna
take the Chargers to win, but I will take the hook.
I am really struggling in these Thursday night games. I
haven't really gotten many of them, right, I'm.

Speaker 3 (01:34:39):
Struggling with the Chargers and the Vikings this year. I
don't know who they are. I thought the Chargers would
be a little bit better. They've lost a couple of games.

Speaker 4 (01:34:47):
You can't lose the amount of players they have.

Speaker 3 (01:34:49):
Thought, Okay, yeah, I'm not really affected by it. I
just look at the feel of the league. I don't
get it.

Speaker 4 (01:34:54):
Yeah, it's hard to get a field. It's hard to
get a field for these teams, but I think it's
because of so many problem personnel losses.

Speaker 3 (01:35:02):
I'm gonna I'm going to stick with the idea that
Jim Harbaugh is a good head coach, not that the
Vikings guy and Kelly he's pretty good too. But at home,
I got to take the Chargers here. I think they'll
cover the three and a hay all right, all right, Sunday.
This is at one o'clock. It's the one and six

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Dolphins at the three and three.

Speaker 4 (01:35:25):
Falcons, Atlanta by seven and a half.

Speaker 11 (01:35:29):
Paul, Sorry for this later information, but just to let
you know, Harbos said it would come down to game
day if Joe Alt and Trey Pipkins, their two starting.

Speaker 1 (01:35:37):
Tackles, would be available both our question and.

Speaker 4 (01:35:40):
Just you know, Pipkins is back up. He's the third tackle.

Speaker 1 (01:35:43):
But he would be because he next places Slater.

Speaker 11 (01:35:47):
Yeah, right, right, right, Okay, Sorry, back to the matter
at hand.

Speaker 3 (01:35:51):
But good info, good, great, excellent info.

Speaker 5 (01:35:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:35:55):
I think Atlanta is a different team at home inside,
and I think Miami is a different team on the road.
And they're also not doing great. Every time two it
get steps up to a microphone, I'm gonna take I'm
gonna take Atlanta. It seems like Miami is in a
free fall, about to be in a free fall in whatever.

Speaker 4 (01:36:13):
They are not making any moves anytime soon though. Atlanta
both ways.

Speaker 3 (01:36:17):
Yeah, please me too.

Speaker 4 (01:36:19):
Uh yeah, Normally I wouldn't like to with a team
like the Falcons be laying that amount of points, but
I'm gonna take it. I'm gonna take Atlanta both ways.
Miami is just yea in a bad way.

Speaker 3 (01:36:32):
Yeah. I mean the Falcons could get caught looking ahead
like that. I knew that you would. I can always
tell when you look at me first that something's coming.
But I will go with the Falcons. I think they
take care of business. The Dolphins are just I don't
know what's going on there, but if mister Capripants makes

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it through the season, that'll be White defeat all right,
one o'clock on Sunday the four and two Bears at
the one in five Ravens. I know Lamar started practicing
this week.

Speaker 4 (01:37:06):
Yeah, he practiced yesterday.

Speaker 3 (01:37:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:37:09):
But Baltimore is favored by six and a half.

Speaker 1 (01:37:12):
Oh jeez wow.

Speaker 4 (01:37:14):
So what are the sharps that Baltimore is good?

Speaker 1 (01:37:17):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:37:18):
Are they? Is he going to play? So do they
know that?

Speaker 4 (01:37:22):
I would have said that he practiced, he's going to play.

Speaker 3 (01:37:24):
So that line tells us that he's going to play.

Speaker 4 (01:37:26):
I'm going to assume that he's playing. Okay, I do
not have any information on that, so I don't want
to I'm not holding out on you guys. I just
he practiced. My guess is he's he going to play?

Speaker 3 (01:37:35):
Yeah?

Speaker 11 (01:37:35):
Lamar questionable, Call Hamilton questionable, DJ more questionable, DeAndre Swift questionable.

Speaker 1 (01:37:41):
Uh, that's an interesting game to me?

Speaker 11 (01:37:42):
Is I think Baltimore's defense has been really really bad,
and you know, I think Ben Johnson knows how to
try to take advantage the advantage of those kind of things.

Speaker 1 (01:37:52):
You guys, I'm going with Chicago on this one.

Speaker 3 (01:37:54):
Who you guys.

Speaker 7 (01:37:56):
Shoot, I'm tempted to take the upset to but I
feel like.

Speaker 8 (01:38:02):
This would be the week where I see like the
Ravens have to get better at some point, So I'll
take the Ravens to win the Bears to cover. Although
I did see something on the Twitter x about a
girl hiring an Etsy wish to put a curse on
the Ravens because her ex was a Ravens fan and

(01:38:22):
she did this in early September.

Speaker 7 (01:38:28):
And she like on Etsy.

Speaker 3 (01:38:32):
I know the I.

Speaker 8 (01:38:34):
Guess witches put their services on Etsy.

Speaker 1 (01:38:39):
Team that seems unfair.

Speaker 4 (01:38:43):
Tots Witch, I'm sorry.

Speaker 3 (01:38:45):
Did you take Baltimore Baltimore Bears cover Chicago to cover? Okay?

Speaker 4 (01:38:50):
I wrote down the wrong team to cover. Okay. I
am going to take Baltimore both ways. I just believe
in the talent and I know that they're banged up.
I know they've had a lot of issues. At some point,
they got to stop playing better. But man, what I
love to see because you know, I have a little
defense mechanism for Caleb Williams. I'd love to see him

(01:39:12):
go on the road and win a game like this.

Speaker 3 (01:39:14):
Yeah, I I'm tempted to take the Bears as well,
but I'm gonna hedge my bed. I'll say that they
it's a lose cover. Yep, right, that's what else lose cover,
La lose cover.

Speaker 4 (01:39:28):
I'm glad that you reminded me of that Fred's guarantee
lose Louck cover of the week hit hit there you go, there,
you got the Giants and they did cover.

Speaker 3 (01:39:39):
Oh God, by the skin of their teeth.

Speaker 1 (01:39:44):
He knew. He wasn't even worried. Watching the game is
just like it'll be well.

Speaker 4 (01:39:49):
They had a nineteen point lead.

Speaker 3 (01:39:51):
He was cruising right away. Yeah, all right. So one
o'clock on Fox, it's the four and two Bills at
the four and three Anthers.

Speaker 4 (01:40:01):
Buffalo by seven. No Bryce Young, but Andy Dalton, who's
a regular rico. Do you know, it's not like they're
playing with a stiff backup. He's a veteran back had
some experience in the league.

Speaker 11 (01:40:18):
I'm gonna go Buffalo, and I'm gonna lay the points.
I think I kind of feel like you feel about
Baltimore with them. They just they gotta get in gear
and start blowing doors.

Speaker 7 (01:40:26):
Buffalo, Buffalo.

Speaker 5 (01:40:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:40:29):
I I just don't think Carolina is any good. But
you know, win this game.

Speaker 1 (01:40:35):
Four teams that were beg to differ.

Speaker 4 (01:40:36):
You win this game, and you know, I have to
eat my words. I'll take Buffalo.

Speaker 3 (01:40:40):
Yeah. I think Dalton gets has a lot of pressure
this game. I think he's gets sacked at least four
times in the game. So I think the Bills win.
The window is still closing, absolutely, but they win the Absolutely.
They win this game and they cut One o'clock on
CB it's the oh to seven Jets at the three

(01:41:04):
and four.

Speaker 4 (01:41:05):
Bengals Cincinnati by six and a half.

Speaker 1 (01:41:09):
Joe Flacco just a great story.

Speaker 4 (01:41:11):
It's just the greatest, greatest it old guy, I like.

Speaker 11 (01:41:15):
Did you see the press conference with him talking about
like being the only guy, like a single guy.

Speaker 8 (01:41:20):
Guys eating by themselves and feel bad for them?

Speaker 7 (01:41:22):
Now I get it.

Speaker 1 (01:41:23):
Oh those guys are those guys are living life. Uh.
I think Flacco at home keeps it going.

Speaker 11 (01:41:29):
Jets are similarly ad disaster guessing it's going to be
Tyrod Taylor.

Speaker 1 (01:41:35):
We'll wait for Woody Johnson on that one. But I'll
take Cincinnatilia the points one.

Speaker 7 (01:41:39):
More time for the spread six and a half. I'll
take the elite Joe Flacco both ways.

Speaker 4 (01:41:48):
Yeah, I'm gonna take Cincinnati both ways too. I think
and I mentioned this last week, and they ended up
one of the rare things that I got right.

Speaker 12 (01:41:58):
I thought.

Speaker 4 (01:41:58):
I thought Cincinnati looked like themselves in the second half
of that game, act green.

Speaker 3 (01:42:03):
Just like Joe Flacco.

Speaker 4 (01:42:05):
I do. And I think this is the and he
you know, as he said, if you can't find a
way to get those two guys involved, and you're not
doing it right, right, it's not about Flacco. It's about
there down there somewhere Cincinnati.

Speaker 3 (01:42:20):
Okay, I'm going to take the Jets to cover, lose,
but cover.

Speaker 4 (01:42:25):
Uh, they a tough one for you.

Speaker 3 (01:42:27):
They still have a good defense, but uh, I think
that they stay within six songs.

Speaker 4 (01:42:33):
Might be out. Oh yeah, okay, possible.

Speaker 3 (01:42:39):
I'll again, I go with the field. I go with
the field, and like, I can't go.

Speaker 4 (01:42:44):
It's a tough game for you. Hate that game?

Speaker 3 (01:42:47):
Oh, I hate them both? Can they both lose.

Speaker 4 (01:42:49):
A lot of hate involved in that.

Speaker 3 (01:42:52):
Yeah. So I feel that the Jets will cover this game.

Speaker 1 (01:42:56):
Wilson and Hall both questionable needs.

Speaker 4 (01:43:00):
Wow, Oh Garrett Wilson, I believe it's out. I don't
think he's going to play. I thought Sauce was hurt too.

Speaker 8 (01:43:06):
It thinks might be in the concussion proto call cha yeah, based.

Speaker 4 (01:43:10):
On the X Sauces and concussion protocol, but says questionable concussion.

Speaker 3 (01:43:17):
Yeah, so I just like it bangles both ways.

Speaker 4 (01:43:22):
But now you're gonna yell at me.

Speaker 1 (01:43:23):
Now we're no, no, no, it's new information.

Speaker 4 (01:43:26):
I was just trying to give you the information that
I knew.

Speaker 7 (01:43:28):
I don't want to the whole round of the pick.

Speaker 4 (01:43:30):
So it's yeah, but I'm just worried about the Jets covering.
And then he don't you said he wasn't playing he
had three picks.

Speaker 1 (01:43:38):
That sounds just like.

Speaker 3 (01:43:40):
One o'clock on Fox, the five and two forty nine
Ers at the two and four Texans.

Speaker 4 (01:43:47):
Houston by one and a half.

Speaker 1 (01:43:48):
Hous Oh boy. So really, I'm checking checking some of these.

Speaker 3 (01:43:53):
Somebody's got to be hurt here.

Speaker 4 (01:43:55):
Heard personal a lot of niners.

Speaker 3 (01:43:58):
Yeah, that's what I mean.

Speaker 4 (01:44:00):
They were all hurt last week and they won.

Speaker 5 (01:44:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:44:04):
I just as long as Christian McCaffrey's healthy, I feel
like they get the ball in his hand.

Speaker 1 (01:44:08):
I'm gonna take San Francisco and they have set on
the road.

Speaker 7 (01:44:10):
Me too.

Speaker 4 (01:44:12):
Yeah, I'll lose another one. Give me Houston.

Speaker 3 (01:44:15):
Really, just like I did last week, I'm gonna go
with the text. I mean, the forty nine ers in
this one one o'clock on Fox, the two and five
Giants at the five and two Eagles.

Speaker 4 (01:44:29):
Philly by seven and a half.

Speaker 1 (01:44:32):
That's a lot.

Speaker 11 (01:44:33):
As pre viewed earlier, I'm gonnake Philip you win, but
I'm gonna take those points for the Giants. I just
think Jackson Dart, little little feisty, they'll keep it close.

Speaker 7 (01:44:47):
Eagles. Yeah, yeah, give the points to the Giants.

Speaker 4 (01:44:53):
Yeah, I'm gonna take the Eagles to win going away.
I'll take them both ways. I think those games are
hard for young teams to overcome. And and Billy just
lost to the Giants. I think they have that on
their minds as well.

Speaker 3 (01:45:04):
I like the Eagles big Yeah, me too. I don't
think that. I mean you could say, oh, the Giants
are going to be motivated, you know, because of what
happened Stable broke a chair in the locker room, which
I heard about.

Speaker 4 (01:45:18):
Yeah, I mean, I mean that would be another, a
different way of responding. I kind of I likened it
to the Bears last year, Fred when they lost that
Hail Mary game to Washington and then kind of never
won again.

Speaker 3 (01:45:30):
Yep, that happens, does But I'm gonna I'm gonna take
the Eagles all right. Now, we skip over the Patriots
at one o'clock and we moved to four h five.
It's the five and two Buccaneers on Fox against the
one and six.

Speaker 4 (01:45:48):
Saints Tampa by four and a half.

Speaker 3 (01:45:52):
Another team might be looking ahead a couple of weeks.

Speaker 1 (01:45:55):
Baker's already thinking about it.

Speaker 3 (01:45:57):
Probably that's why it's kneeers.

Speaker 1 (01:46:00):
I'm gonna take.

Speaker 11 (01:46:01):
I'm gonna take Tampa the bank, bounce back against the
division opponent.

Speaker 1 (01:46:05):
I will lay the points me too.

Speaker 3 (01:46:10):
Yeah, I agree.

Speaker 4 (01:46:11):
I think they had a terrible offensive performance Monday night,
and I think they bounce back from it.

Speaker 3 (01:46:17):
Me too. Buccaneers four five, the three, three and one
Cowboys travel guess where to Mile High for the Broncos
for their eighth home game this season.

Speaker 4 (01:46:33):
Unbelievable.

Speaker 3 (01:46:34):
The five and two Broncos.

Speaker 4 (01:46:35):
You know I used to give Freddy. I used to
give Freddy some pushback on that. Right, every game they
play is at home.

Speaker 3 (01:46:41):
That's amazing.

Speaker 4 (01:46:42):
It is Broncos by three and a half.

Speaker 1 (01:46:44):
We got the footage of my helmet, you know, just
to remind you.

Speaker 4 (01:46:48):
The footage the el you know what I'm married.

Speaker 1 (01:46:55):
Is shoot.

Speaker 11 (01:46:57):
This is a tough one man, two good offenses. Uh
you know it probably moved the ball. But I'm gonna
you know, went in doubt Denver at home. I'm gonna
lay the points.

Speaker 7 (01:47:07):
I'm gonna take Denver at home.

Speaker 1 (01:47:09):
But I I live dangerous.

Speaker 8 (01:47:12):
Huh yeah, I'm gonna hedge a little.

Speaker 4 (01:47:16):
I am not going to hedge. I I will take
the Broncos to win. And that defense is is pretty good.

Speaker 3 (01:47:24):
So you don't have to say I'm gonna take the
Broncos at home. That's redundant.

Speaker 4 (01:47:31):
Yeah, those two column deductive proofs that you used to
have to do in like geometry. You know this is
a given.

Speaker 3 (01:47:36):
But after I love after the last.

Speaker 4 (01:47:39):
Game, I said, no one ever anywhere.

Speaker 3 (01:47:42):
After what the Broncos did to the Giants. In the
words of Kevin Garnett, their whole team is saying anything
is possible. So they went they win this game.

Speaker 4 (01:47:52):
Broncos.

Speaker 3 (01:47:53):
Broncos win. Yep uh fo on CBS the one and
six Titans at the six and one Colts flying high.
Best record in the NFL.

Speaker 4 (01:48:05):
Colts by fourteen.

Speaker 3 (01:48:06):
Oh lord folk, lordie.

Speaker 1 (01:48:10):
Well we just saw Tennessee play. Hude.

Speaker 11 (01:48:15):
I'm a little tempted to take the points just because
it's a division game and but it's at Indy, and
I feel like that. Jonathan Taylor, man, he's a nightmare.
He is one one piece of running back. I'm gonna
lay the freaking points. I can't believe it, but yeah,
me too.

Speaker 4 (01:48:34):
Oh do I try to steal one?

Speaker 1 (01:48:38):
I do feel about cam word last week?

Speaker 4 (01:48:39):
Yea, yeah, at home? I think that they get some
some turnovers too. Yeah, I'm gonna take Indy La the
play folks.

Speaker 1 (01:48:50):
Jeffrey he might be questionable.

Speaker 4 (01:48:52):
I mean hopefully, I mean he should be fresh. He
only played twelve plays because I think the.

Speaker 3 (01:48:57):
Only chance they have is to break owns.

Speaker 11 (01:49:00):
The first listed is questionable right now, Listen is questionable.

Speaker 1 (01:49:05):
Same with Ridley.

Speaker 3 (01:49:06):
What did he roots for? I'm not rooting for it.
I'm just saying that that's that's the way they win,
not the quarterback out, not the old school football.

Speaker 4 (01:49:15):
Especially Anthony Richardson's not even available.

Speaker 3 (01:49:17):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:49:17):
You've got seeds on iron. They had to put sneed
on iron after last week.

Speaker 3 (01:49:20):
Yeah, that's what happens when you play the Patriots. That's
a lot of points. But I'll take the Colts at
home to cover Sunday night.

Speaker 4 (01:49:29):
Just football, very short schedule.

Speaker 3 (01:49:31):
This This is NBC and they say NBC plus two,
but they don't say what the two. I'm assuming it's
Universo and the Peacock, right Peacock. Yeah, it's the four
one and one Packers at the four and two Steelers,
green Bay by three.

Speaker 1 (01:49:51):
Oh.

Speaker 11 (01:49:52):
Not a great game, but but a good game. It's
Sunday sometimes game.

Speaker 3 (01:49:56):
This is a good FRED rooting game.

Speaker 11 (01:49:58):
Oh yeah really, Uh yeah, I'm gonna Rogers against the package, right,
I'm gonna take Green Bay on the road.

Speaker 1 (01:50:06):
Just I still think Pittsburgh is smoking Mirror's kind of team.
But yeah, go pack go.

Speaker 4 (01:50:12):
Yeah, I'm gonna take the points I like. I like
Pittsburgh get home on a Sunday night. Rogers. Yeah, Rogers
will be motivated. Yeah, I'm gonna take Pittsburgh.

Speaker 3 (01:50:24):
I am rooting hard for the Packers a because I
want to see the Steelers lose and Aaron Rodgers lose.
But also if continue right, this is this is playoff implications.

Speaker 4 (01:50:37):
Correct, Freddy, So, I am Patriots fan, should.

Speaker 3 (01:50:40):
Be Packers win this game. Packers win this game. They
maybe they knocked Rogers out of the game.

Speaker 4 (01:50:48):
You continuing to root for injuries really makes me uncomfortable.

Speaker 3 (01:50:53):
I'm just predicting the future.

Speaker 7 (01:50:56):
I'm gonna leave the show at T Dots.

Speaker 1 (01:51:00):
And maybe his head falls off. I don't know what.
I'm just saying. Maybe it happens in the middle of
the game.

Speaker 8 (01:51:06):
You shouldn't hire nuts curses on all the teams you hate.

Speaker 7 (01:51:11):
We could call it like on the show.

Speaker 4 (01:51:12):
He wouldn't have the bandwidth to be able to support
that the server.

Speaker 3 (01:51:15):
I'm going to ask Evan if Clinis has a witch
Witch Yeah, Monday Night. This is on ESPN plus three,
so that's probably ESPN plus ABC. No, it wouldn't be ABC.

Speaker 1 (01:51:32):
Monday Night foot Player.

Speaker 3 (01:51:33):
Yeah, but there's only one this week. There's no double header,
no double header that's summering.

Speaker 1 (01:51:37):
It might be the end of the double header that was.

Speaker 4 (01:51:38):
The last one. But I agree with spread that I
like the games going at the same time, not necessarily right.

Speaker 3 (01:51:46):
The three and four Commanders, who Evans says it's over,
they're done for the next.

Speaker 4 (01:51:50):
Decade because they went to the end of the right again.
It just had a top five.

Speaker 3 (01:51:56):
Against Paul's team. He's a big Chiefs fan. The four
and three Chiefs.

Speaker 4 (01:52:01):
Kansas City by twelve and a half. Oh wait, yeah,
it's outing there, already cleared out sugar.

Speaker 1 (01:52:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:52:11):
I usually don't pick against Kansas City. I'm going to
take Kansas City, and man, I laid fourteen points and
I'm going to late twelve and a half.

Speaker 7 (01:52:18):
Okay, Chiefs at home, I guess both ways.

Speaker 4 (01:52:22):
Yeah, I will take Kansas City, but I am going
to take the points. Really, I think that's a lot
of points, just a lot of points.

Speaker 3 (01:52:30):
Who they're back to playing Washington. I know who's Washington's
backup Quarterbackice Mariota. I think that I think that you
like it. I love it and I lose.

Speaker 4 (01:52:40):
Yeah, I mean it's okay, like I'm not doing.

Speaker 3 (01:52:43):
It trying to help you out, trying to help you.

Speaker 4 (01:52:45):
I think twelve and a half's a lot of it
is a lot of point. Kansas City generally blows teams out.
They did last week. I think Kansas City plays a
lot of close.

Speaker 3 (01:52:53):
Direction of the chiefs going. They're starting to flex, they're
getting healthy.

Speaker 4 (01:52:57):
Right, I agree, And that's why I'm taking them to win.

Speaker 3 (01:53:00):
And this is why the Sharps made that spread the
way it is, because they know, Paul, you're gonna listen
to the Sharps.

Speaker 1 (01:53:07):
It's pleading with you.

Speaker 3 (01:53:09):
I'll be wrong, Okay, it's okay.

Speaker 4 (01:53:12):
It's just a pen of help. There's nothing on the
line here trying to help you. So you're taking Kansas
City both ways.

Speaker 3 (01:53:17):
You've got that right, all right? Now we move back
to one o'clock. This is on Fox. It's the two
and five Browns at the five and two Patriots.

Speaker 4 (01:53:30):
Patriots by seven, biggest spread of the season.

Speaker 3 (01:53:34):
So far for the Patriots, I would say, right, is
that true?

Speaker 1 (01:53:39):
They were? I think they're around there last week seven
I think.

Speaker 3 (01:53:42):
So it's a big spread for the Patriots.

Speaker 4 (01:53:44):
I don't know.

Speaker 11 (01:53:45):
Yeah, I feel pretty good about this. I just, like
I said, something interesting on both sides of the ball.
You want to see Draco against the good defense, how
they you know, pressure him.

Speaker 1 (01:53:55):
They're gonna be aggressive, not a lot of room, just
a good challenge.

Speaker 11 (01:53:58):
See what New England's offense has got in And then defensively,
you know, can they just make this kid, you know,
look like they should and you know, look like a
rookie should, especially right out of the gate. But I
got the Patriots winning pretty easily. I'm going to say
New England twenty four to ten.

Speaker 5 (01:54:14):
They were favored by seven last week.

Speaker 3 (01:54:16):
They were favored by seven last week on the road.

Speaker 7 (01:54:19):
Patriots twenty seven, Browns twelve. The Witch so I looked up,
we can it's a deal, you guys.

Speaker 1 (01:54:30):
Oh really?

Speaker 8 (01:54:31):
Eleven fifteen custom spell from a NATSI witch. Wow, And
it has great ratings eight twenty one reviews, four point
seven stars out of five.

Speaker 7 (01:54:43):
That's a lot of reviews.

Speaker 3 (01:54:44):
There's a lot of curse people walking around.

Speaker 1 (01:54:46):
I know I have my stupid husband. I put a
curse on it. She put a curse on him, and
now he's dead. And there's night job.

Speaker 8 (01:54:52):
There's one that's like apology and reconciliation spell.

Speaker 7 (01:54:57):
You can get obsession and return spell. People are insane.

Speaker 3 (01:55:02):
And what's the cost eleven dollars.

Speaker 7 (01:55:04):
For a custom spell? Eleven?

Speaker 8 (01:55:07):
That's even It's fifty percent off right now. So I'll
tell you just in time for the.

Speaker 4 (01:55:13):
I would Josh, I like the bogo Patrick Mahon bogos too.
You buy one, get very worried about what Fred's about
the churches.

Speaker 8 (01:55:20):
To make sure there's not a better deal before we
make any purchases.

Speaker 4 (01:55:23):
But so, I'm going to absolutely take the Patriots to
win this game, but I will take the points. I
think there is a chance that this is a little
bit lower scoring. I'm going to go twenty to sixteen Patriots,
and maybe it's a backdoor cover for Cleveland. I think
the Patriots will have the game in hand, but maybe
the last score is Cleveland's and that gives you a

(01:55:44):
cover like it.

Speaker 3 (01:55:46):
Yeah, so if if a tornado wipes out Cincinnati, you
know that I went to that site.

Speaker 4 (01:55:53):
Well, I just told you if I were Patrick Mahomes
and Josh Allen, I would not be comfortable right now
with Fred's future purchase on any New England.

Speaker 7 (01:56:01):
Men.

Speaker 8 (01:56:01):
Be nice to your girlfriends, your exes, your situationships.

Speaker 3 (01:56:05):
Please, situationships.

Speaker 4 (01:56:07):
It's okay, says the Princess.

Speaker 1 (01:56:09):
Come for you.

Speaker 4 (01:56:10):
Oh right, all right, oh.

Speaker 3 (01:56:12):
Yeah, bring up. Listen. All week we've been talking about
how good the Browns defense is. It is this is
a great test for the Patriots offense, not so much
for the Patriots defense this week. So as a result,
I think I've heard a lot of similar scores, and
I think there's a reason for that twenty to ten

(01:56:34):
Patriots win this game, and very likely they don't even
get ten.

Speaker 11 (01:56:40):
So do you do what do you think the chances
are better to that the Patriots come out, play really
well and you know, kind of assert themselves on both
sides of the ball maybe and just build a little
lead and then it's you know, kind of just maintain
that lead, or do you think it's going to be
close for a while, Like, do you think it's going
to be some fits and starts for the Patriots And
maybe even I think it's going to be remnant.

Speaker 3 (01:57:00):
Listen of like four oh three, where you just know
the Browns aren't going to be able to do it.
So it might be close score wise, but you won't.
It won't be uncomfortable. You won't feel uncomfortable.

Speaker 4 (01:57:10):
I agree with Fred. I could see it looking a
little like last week, but never like You're never going
to feel like the Patriots are in trouble because you're
gonna look and you're gonna say, it's just not enough off.

Speaker 3 (01:57:20):
Now we're going to come out of this game saying
we left stuff on the field. We've got to finish
stuff like that.

Speaker 4 (01:57:26):
You guys do that every week. I just we're professionally
like you can't score every time you get the ball.

Speaker 3 (01:57:31):
But the Patriots moved to six and two. What yep?

Speaker 5 (01:57:35):
Six and ten?

Speaker 3 (01:57:36):
Yep? It is crazy number. And if my etsy stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:57:40):
I just feel like they were going to be Daniel
Jones out four to three. I'm not five to two
like the Buffalo game is the one.

Speaker 3 (01:57:49):
D Yeah, I don't. I don't do positives, okay.

Speaker 11 (01:57:53):
No, And I mean and I I it's landed on
nine to eight at some point this summer, and that's
what I would say. But even still just to hear
like the chance here in October to get your six
win when it was like impossible.

Speaker 1 (01:58:04):
To get wins the last two years.

Speaker 4 (01:58:06):
It's still just jarring.

Speaker 3 (01:58:08):
All right, that's going to be it for the show.
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Speaker 7 (01:58:23):
Ax, maybe some which things. I think I'm going to
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That might be on hold till next week because I
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Speaker 4 (01:58:34):
You have my answers.

Speaker 1 (01:58:35):
Yeah, I'll take up a picture for you to.

Speaker 3 (01:58:38):
Now are you going to ask us what would be
our etsy spell?

Speaker 7 (01:58:41):
That we that's the tease.

Speaker 1 (01:58:45):
That one.

Speaker 3 (01:58:46):
Yeah, I don't want to put injuries in writing. I
think I think we all know what no no from
our own team. You can't be representing the Patriots and
wishing injuries talking want to answer you all right, Thanks
for watching this week. Have a good weekend everybody. We'll
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