Patriots Unfiltered 10/28: Full Breakdown of the Patriots 32-13 Win Over the Browns

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The World's a Vegetal podcast. Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered.

Speaker 3 (00:16):
I want to build a sustainable winner.

Speaker 4 (00:20):
I don't want to be a flash in the pan
like you want to go hang an NFC Championship runner
up and watch that way.

Speaker 5 (00:31):
I don't know if they did it right on purpose.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
They weren't trying to lose. I don't think the commanders
would do anything. They give away what they did last year.

Speaker 3 (00:41):
Yeah, they can go hang their banner, but what's your
take on this?

Speaker 6 (00:45):
Dude?

Speaker 7 (00:45):
Give us your time with you guys, but I don't
want to gang up on.

Speaker 6 (00:49):
Change like no, it is annoying and I think Wednesday Thursday,
I'm sorry, is today?

Speaker 4 (00:54):
If I'm not mistaken that they've been in paths right, yes, well,
they're never in full pads, Paul, I understand nobody couple
of picking knits today.

Speaker 2 (01:03):
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Speaker 2 (01:28):
All right, welcome the Patriots Unfiltered. It is Tuesday here
at Let's Stadium, and they're becoming victory. Tuesday's victory Tuesday. Boy,
what a role we are on? Who to thunk it?
Who to thunk it? I Mean, we all said before
the season, we think they're going to improve. That's because
we think Drake's gonna get a little better. We think

(01:48):
the coaching is going to be better, so we're gonna
see improvement. But this is this is crazy. Paul.

Speaker 9 (01:55):
Paul always is a dendem too, unless Drake just makes
a crazy second year leap.

Speaker 7 (02:00):
And that's kind of what's happened, right.

Speaker 6 (02:02):
The definition of a crazy second year, which is seven
consecutive games with over one hundred passer rating and seventy
whatever percent completions and one hundred yards Russian and like
and all the other things that he's doing that have
only been done by guys like Brady Manning and Home
homes right and Rogers. That's it, Like, it's an unbelievable

(02:22):
level he's playing.

Speaker 7 (02:23):
I never would have expected this.

Speaker 9 (02:25):
I mean, I just you know, I thought it would
be a little up and down, that there'd be growing pains,
and you know, he'd have a good game and you'd
see his athletic talent and his arm on display, and
then he you know, has some brain farts and it,
you know, would be a little bit more.

Speaker 7 (02:36):
Of a zigzag.

Speaker 5 (02:37):
But I can't explain the other part that I would
have said.

Speaker 6 (02:40):
You know, it's like when they always ask us, you know,
what do you think, you know, what if if they
end up with this, and we always say, well, we
need to see it. Like I could have been convinced,
maybe not six and two, but I would have said
five and three is certainly a possibility before you know,
you just look at the first eight games. I would
have had five and three the Buffalo win. To me,
I did not. Yeah, but I didn't expect it to

(03:02):
look like this. I thought they could win games the
seventeen Reformation.

Speaker 4 (03:07):
Yeah, but they're ending the games in the third quarter.

Speaker 6 (03:12):
It's not that surprising that they're they're handling the teams
the way they like the last two games, but all
of them, like five in a row, that is surprising
to me. And the way that the offense is just
clicked that. I did not see that coming. That's why
when people ask you, what do you think they can do? Like,
would you consider nine and eight a good season? Yeah,

(03:35):
but I would consider nine and eight the way they've
played the last few games good. But if it's nine
and eight and they're winning like thirteen, ten, seventeen, thirteen,
I was like, that's just because the other team was
so bad and they couldn't take advantage of you. The
Patriots are making these teams look even worse than they are.
That's the thing that's most exciting.

Speaker 2 (03:53):
All right, it's even that's Paul, it's me, it's Deuce,
it's Matt and na Booth. We're talking Patriots for the
next couple hours. Just a lot to talk about with
his team. Most of it's good. But I do want
to bring in one aspect of the offense in particular
that I think I would you know, I think needs improvement.

(04:14):
I think that's the offensive line. I think we can
see improvement on the offensive line now. Last week, obviously
Miles Garrett, he is a generational player. Five sacks for
him six total for the for the Browns. Uh. Not
a good showing. But like I said, it's Miles Garrett.
But I think overall, the fact that Drake does need

(04:36):
to run as much as he has is in part
because you know the line needs improvement. Uh, you know
the young the young half of the line needs improvement.
I think, Mike and when you could be playing better.
So it's not all gravy right now. I think there's

(04:57):
parts of the team that need to improve. And I
will say this, I will look in the camera when
I say this. I'm on team Campbell, Okay. But I
do know that after the game he was pissed at
himself for the game that he had. Now I think
I hope that there's someone there explaining to him. Listen,
you just went up against a guy who is a

(05:19):
surefire Hall of Famer. So it's good that you're pissed.
You want to be pissed, and you don't want to
be giving up sacks like that. But just keep in
mind who you are going up against. And if you
have the mindset that every week I'm gonna go up
against a guy that good and I better be ready,
then you're gonna be okay. And I think he's gonna

(05:42):
be fine. So will If you're listening or someone from
your family. Don't worry about it. Be pissed. That's a
good thing. Be pissed, but you know, keep that mindset
and you'll be okay. Keep working at your craft.

Speaker 4 (05:59):
I think that the Will Campbell's stuff because I've seen
a lot of people, myself included, trying to say, if
you actually watched the film, it wasn't as bad as
it seemed watching live. I that is true, But two
sacks is also two sacks, right, And he gave up
two sacks in the game, and as an offensive lineman,
that's like giving up a touchdown as a cornerback, right,

(06:21):
Like as good as you might have played on the
other seventy plays of the game, when you give up
two sacks and one of them is a strip sack, like,
that's that's not good enough.

Speaker 10 (06:29):
Now.

Speaker 4 (06:30):
I think the reason you know two things. I think
the reason why he was the way he was after
the game was because I look at the sacks he
gave up as somewhat self inflicted. They didn't execute the
chips well. So if he had executed the chips better,
I don't know if Miles Garrett would have had the
two sacks against him. So I think that he's thinking

(06:51):
that was like my fault, Like I like not that
I just got beat on a great move by Miles Garrett.

Speaker 3 (06:57):
It was more about.

Speaker 4 (06:58):
The space and you know the way that he was
coming off the chips. Now I come I somewhat disagree
about the offensive line because I think we're running into
a situation now where we have to figure out where
the blame is being assigned to on sacks, because if
you ask me, I think a lot of the blame

(07:19):
for sacks in general is on the quarterback, like holding
the football or not, you know, taking check downs, not
throwing the ball away. You know, all of these sacks
that happened in the game on Sunday took over four
seconds to happen. So these were not jail break sure
blitzes where guys are coming through and there's no chance

(07:42):
for Drake May to get rid of the football. So
if there's one little blemish on Drake, and he's been
an MVP, so don't get me wrong, but if there's
one little blemish on Drake, it's that he's taken a
lot of sacks and his sack rate is extremely high.
Now you could say that he's taking the sacks and
that's better than you know, maybe the alternative. You know,

(08:04):
we could have that conversation. But he is taking a
lot of sacks, and I think some of those sacks
are a result of him as much as they are
the offensive.

Speaker 2 (08:12):
Oh, you make a good point about what it looks like.
You know, over the last three years with this line,
we've seen a lot of jail breaks, and we've seen
a lot of really bad communication, guys blocking no one,
you know, not being able to handle stunts, and we're
not seeing as much of that this year, where you
get those free runners to the quarterback, and that's a

(08:32):
good thing. But I think mainly the point I want
to make is I like the fact that Will Campbell
was mad at himself after the game. That even like
for him, I don't care if I'm going against Miles Garrett.
I need to be better and that's a good thing.
That's a good thing. You keep that mindset, you keep
working at it, You're gonna be okay.

Speaker 7 (08:52):
I did you feel like he was missing receivers?

Speaker 9 (08:54):
I don't know, Like I didn't do a total grind
on the offensive side of the ball. I did watch
a bunch of the defense, but I didn't see a
lot of leg always got a guy like I've seen
some of that in the past, but I felt like
their man covers was was pretty good and that there
wasn't I think that made him hold the ball a
little bit more. But Vrabel pointed out the same points
you're making too of Yeah, you know some of these
are on sacks.

Speaker 4 (09:13):
Are are a team stat sacks are not always just
to sign to the offensive line, and that's why you know,
even to like hash it out only four. I only
gave responsibility to blockers on four of the six sacks
because one of them came on a boot leg where
Miles Garrett's unblocked on the boot leg, and then another

(09:35):
one on the play action drop, which wasn't a Miles
Garrett sack.

Speaker 3 (09:39):
Drake may just.

Speaker 4 (09:40):
Runs right into the line of scrimmage and gets and
gets sacked. So like I I think that that's all
of the things that you have to factor. And now
the one that I really thought that was a Campbell
sack that I thought that Drake could have helped him
out on was the one in the red zone because
it looked to me like he kind of got stuck
on ramondre Stevenson on a little option route out in
the flat, Remondre didn't get open if he comes to

(10:01):
the middle of the field, Hunter Henry's wide open in
the middle of the field.

Speaker 3 (10:04):
So he just got hung up a little bit on that.

Speaker 4 (10:06):
When you get down there in the red zone, it
happens quick and you can't get hung up on reeds
in the red zone. And I'm killing Drake right out
of the shoot. And he's playing like a top three
quarterback in the league.

Speaker 6 (10:16):
But we live in well.

Speaker 4 (10:18):
I think, Paul you said to me the other day
and it kind of stuck with me, like the expectation
for this team has now changed, and like the standard
has changed. It's no longer are they a good football
team because we know that right now, it's how good
could they possibly be? And when I look at the
sack rate, I look at some of the stuff in
man coverage last week in terms of going up against

(10:41):
man coverage with the Browns. The Browns sack Drake May
five times when they played man. They had their interception
in man coverage. Like those types of things are the
things that when we're on the show in January and
maybe February and we're talking about why did they lose
in the playoffs. You hope that those are not the
reason why they lost.

Speaker 6 (11:01):
Yeah, it's like, you know, just a really anecdotal because
I don't break down the film the way Mike and
Evan do. But what we're talking about is last year
they took a lot of sacks and few, if any
said anything negative about Drake May because he's a rookie
on a you know, a team that has won four games.

(11:23):
He's making his first career starts. The offensive line was
what it was. Now this year you look at it
and say, well, Drake May has played at a much
higher level.

Speaker 5 (11:33):
The team is playing at a higher level.

Speaker 6 (11:35):
They've invested some draft capital in the offensive line. We
think that's a little bit better. Now you start to
look at Drake May. Like last year you didn't look
at Drake May because it wasn't really fair to put sacks,
you know, all on the quarterback. This year it is like,
I mean, the bootleg was an obvious one. I think
Drake thought he could outrun Miles Garrett and he learned

(11:55):
a lesson, you know, like Miles Garrett is different animal.
So some of those sacks you're looking at, like that's
the quarterback's got to do a better job to help
out his line. So that's when you look at all
of these things under a different Now we're fine tuning, right,
and how can.

Speaker 5 (12:13):
You get better?

Speaker 6 (12:14):
Just like Evin said, how can you avoid one of
these issues that we're sort of wondering about not costing
them a game when it matters most.

Speaker 4 (12:24):
Yeah, it's a nice philosophical discussion of throwing the ball
away versus taking a sack, and Brady was a master
at throwing the ball away instead of taking sacks, especially
on first and second down. Drake may is obviously a
much younger quarterback, but also on top of that, like

(12:44):
he probably thinks that he's so physically gifted that he
can extend the play and that he's going to either
get out of it or he's going to find a
receiver down the field. And when he finds Pop Douglas
wide open down the field for a forty four yard play,
that's because he kept the play alive, he kept his hands,
you know, his eyes down the field, he moved in
the pocket. So it's hard, like you don't want to
take that away from him and say just throw the

(13:06):
ball away at the first sign of pressure, because he
does have that mobility in that athleticism. So I thought
that that was much better from him this week. Which
is the most encouraging part to me is how he
takes coaching and when we harp on something one week,
he completely corrects it the next week, almost immediately. So
last week it was all about the one in runs

(13:27):
and he's taken off too much and he's putting himself
in harms way against Tennessee. And then this week I
saw him getting to the backside of progressions. I saw
him staying in the pocket and making throws. He scrambling
when it made sense to scramble, Like when he gets
the sees part and there's a twenty eight yards of
green grass in front of him, I scramble.

Speaker 2 (13:46):
Like it's Yeah.

Speaker 6 (13:48):
I still can't believe just how good he's been for
you know, going on two months now, you know, talk
about a heater. Yeah, this is just I can't believe
how much better he's gotten, even I keep I think
I said it last week, even from the game this year, Yeah,
the Raiders game to what we've.

Speaker 2 (14:06):
Seen, he's seeing the field so much better. And you know,
you mentioned Evan about something happens in one game and
then he improves on it. Remember that game, I think
it was the Bills. He's not keeping his eyes downfield.
He's not keeping you know, the broadcaster was saying, And
I think it.

Speaker 5 (14:21):
Was proved from the first half to the second exactly.

Speaker 2 (14:24):
That's exactly.

Speaker 9 (14:25):
Yeah, It's like you were waiting for him a right,
he's gonna he's not going to complete ninety percent of
his passes every week, And in the first half last
week it felt like, here it is, this is going
to be the game where you know, maybe he's a
little flat and then no, I mean we talked about
just his perseverance.

Speaker 6 (14:39):
And I think, you know, and I know Evan was
talking about this this morning. You really have to credit
Josh McDaniels a lot for this particular game. I thought was,
if not his best game, one of the best games
because of what it Mike just said, they were bothering him.
You know, all the stuff that we talked about with
Cleveland ended up being pretty accurate. Oh yeah, they bothered
the Patriots off. It's in the first half. You know,

(15:02):
whether it was Jess Miles Garrett or it was the
main coverage that Mike and Evan are talking about. Oh, Drake,
maybe just not being quite razor sharp. At the very beginning,
I thought he had a chance on one of those
third downs down the field to Booty. I thought he
threw it to the outside in a little bit long,
a rare misfire. This is what happens when you don't
throw any complete passages. You kind of remember him right,
you know, because they're so rare. And then all of

(15:24):
a sudden in this you know, in the second you know,
Drake makes a play at the end of the half
that the Douglas play that Evan just talked about, sets
up to go ahead field goal, and then all of
a sudden, it was like one wrinkle after the next.
In that first drive of the third quarter was unreal,
getting them going side to side, you know, moving the
pocket a little bit, getting the ball down field, and

(15:45):
it was like.

Speaker 5 (15:46):
Pitch and catch. I thought it was easy touchdown to
Hunter Henry.

Speaker 6 (15:50):
Just like, what an amazing play sequence that that drive was.

Speaker 9 (15:55):
You said it in the post game show right off
the bat, that first drive out of the shoe. Loved
it and even like or Losty, like I've seen multiple
people like laying out the play sequencings. Some of us
thou knowest the ball after the game, I mean right
after you were on it, Paul, and I mean just
talking about all the different personnel packages and formations and

(16:15):
Josh is throwing so much at these teams to try
to decipher and figure out. It's no surprise when they
were able to, you know, get Hunter Henry out into
the flat for an easy touchdown. Or I was laughing
about the pop Douglas thing though, is Evan just like
kind of muttered under his breath. He's like, man, pop Douglas,
Like that was OPI so bad? And I was I
went back and looked like, how the pucket so open?

Speaker 2 (16:33):
Yeah, he's just like you just shoved help it?

Speaker 5 (16:37):
Like and after the play delpin shot for the digs one.

Speaker 9 (16:39):
Yeah, it's funny, but no, it's a Josh in his
bag as you as you continue to say.

Speaker 4 (16:45):
Oh, I thought he was in his bag from the
very first play of the game, like it really was.
You know, they come out in the opening drive with
Henderson and they run that wham play right up the
middle for like twelve yards, which opened up the entire
toss you know sequence that they had going on with him. Yeah,
because they hit him right up the middle and they
come a couple of plays later, same exact formation, offset

(17:08):
eye with the full back in the backfield, and they
faked the inside run and then they toss it out
to him and he just runs for eighteen yards with
untouched for eighteen yards. I mean, they were they were
absolutely dialed in from a play calling perspective in this game.
And then the third quarter drive, I felt like they
pulled out some stuff deep in the bag. They were like,
all right, like we got to pull out some things

(17:29):
that they're not expecting because they're onto some of our
base stuff. So they you know, they run a little
trick you know, kind of play action, you know, flip
to Henderson and then they run a toss and they
run a double pass and they run jet motion and
like they're running all these different kind of things that
are not stuff that they put on film every single week.

(17:50):
That was the first true trick play if you don't
want to count flee flickers that they've ran all year,
So they haven't done that yet, and they did in
this game. And it kind of felt like it came
out of half and we're like, if we make this
a nine point.

Speaker 3 (18:03):
Games, it's over.

Speaker 4 (18:04):
Like they're not scoring seventeen against US BUS but not
so the third quarter.

Speaker 3 (18:10):
Drive felt like they were like, let's empty.

Speaker 2 (18:12):
Speaking of Josh, if you go on Patriots dot com
now you can watch Josh miked up during the game.
It's a good ten minutes of Josh McDaniels and friends.
Uh So, that's a good watch that dropped this morning
on Patriots dot com.

Speaker 7 (18:27):
Is Josh tight pants guy?

Speaker 3 (18:29):
Is he qualify one of the ogs?

Speaker 2 (18:32):
You think he's an O. G. Pitt four guys?

Speaker 5 (18:34):
He was?

Speaker 4 (18:35):
He was a really young coordinate he was. He was
a tight pants guy before, and Josh was a tight
pant I don't think.

Speaker 2 (18:47):
So, just because he was young. I don't think he's
in the tight pants.

Speaker 6 (18:49):
You know, they don't all wear tight pants, right, most
of them do, but you know they don't all wear
tight pants.

Speaker 3 (18:55):
Not a tight pants.

Speaker 2 (18:55):
Guy, I don't think because he wasn't.

Speaker 6 (18:59):
Like when they called like Red Sox fans like sometimes
they call them pink cats. Right, they're not all women
and they don't actually wear but.

Speaker 8 (19:06):
Now it's symbolic, right, right, it's not like physically younger
kind of innovative, you know, outside the box, Like that's
what Evan's talking about. I'm with it, but he inherited,
you know, the offense that the Patriots were running long
before Josh.

Speaker 5 (19:25):
He didn't develop the offense.

Speaker 4 (19:28):
To the contrary, I mean, like he completely changed the
way that they played offense in two thousand and seven,
Like he goes to three receiver.

Speaker 2 (19:36):
It was vertical because they had Randy Moss.

Speaker 6 (19:38):
I think.

Speaker 2 (19:41):
Year they did that.

Speaker 4 (19:42):
Okay, so the slot receiver first of all, is a
huge part of what they were doing that they weren't
really doing before they were with Troy Brown. Troy Brown
was a z but they weren't playing three receiver purely.
A lot of this stuff and okay, or the tempo.
The tempo thing is like all Josh McDaniels, you know,
going to again with Chip Kelly and and thing.

Speaker 6 (20:02):
They did with Bill O'Brien, the two tight ends. But
that's what that's my point. I don't think Bill O'Brien
innovated anything. They just added wrinkles here and there. Yeah,
I think it was kind of thet.

Speaker 2 (20:14):
Maybe I'm wrong. I just I just never I g type. Yeah,
I don't think they never got pants club.

Speaker 4 (20:22):
The thing that you guys are talking about with like
the Charlie Weis's offense and stuff like that. They haven't
run that offense in one year.

Speaker 5 (20:29):
I wouldn't call it Charlie Weis's offense.

Speaker 3 (20:32):
It was whatever you want that calling.

Speaker 2 (20:36):
They're hard, that's like.

Speaker 4 (20:38):
Calling what the the Shanahan treat right now is running
the Bill Walsh offense like it's it's that's what I
would do. Well, I would be incorrect, Like.

Speaker 6 (20:48):
Okay, because you love those guys, but no, it's not
because I love the falls.

Speaker 4 (20:53):
Yeah, but like that's like Tred.

Speaker 5 (20:55):
And Andy Reid with it where.

Speaker 4 (20:56):
We're talking, we're talking about like like you know, a
tesla versus like a model t here, Like you can't
like the way that they have like updated those types
of offense. I don't understand why this is disrespectful.

Speaker 2 (21:12):
Couldn't do what Patrick Mahomes can do.

Speaker 3 (21:15):
I don't.

Speaker 4 (21:15):
I don't understand what the problem is here, Like they
they took an offense that back in the eighties with
Bill Walsh for just to stick on this example that yes,
that was the like the foundation of the West Coast
offense and now it has evolved and innovative over a
period of time. That doesn't take anything away from Bill
Walsh it's just like it's not the it's not really

(21:36):
the same. Like it is the same principles and they're
the same foundations.

Speaker 2 (21:40):
But did it, you know, because the athletes have evolved,
or did it evolve because you know, we just changed
the office.

Speaker 5 (21:48):
You have to evolve as the defense is adjusted.

Speaker 2 (21:51):
And that's true too.

Speaker 6 (21:51):
I'm not saying they run exactly the same every way,
but yeah, I kind of it's kind of Paul Brown,
if you really want to get to it, that that
whole system that Walsh went to Cincinnati actually as the
offensive coordinator and did some of this, but you know
we're splitting.

Speaker 5 (22:10):
We don't have to do I mean, if you want
to really get it down.

Speaker 4 (22:13):
To well, some confused as to why this is like
a negative thing, it's not.

Speaker 6 (22:18):
It's not a negative thing at all. Brett doesn't want
to put him in the tight pants.

Speaker 3 (22:22):
It doesn't matter where you put him.

Speaker 4 (22:23):
I just think that like saying that this wasn't really
Josh's offense because it was earn Hart and Perkins's offense
in the nineteen seventies.

Speaker 6 (22:30):
That's why I said, like, I.

Speaker 9 (22:33):
Think we should have like a thing where you present
Josh with some pants and then you're like, oh, these.

Speaker 2 (22:38):
Are a little these are a little tight exactly exactly.

Speaker 7 (22:41):
Know, it's like a.

Speaker 3 (22:41):
Ceremonial, like and I do something cool with him instead.

Speaker 7 (22:44):
Of I can't quite get him on. To keep trying,
you will.

Speaker 5 (22:47):
Get jealous that you didn't get to sit in with
Mike and I do.

Speaker 7 (22:50):
We have a little breaking news here according to the
rap sheet, you know, like, why do they have to share?

Speaker 3 (22:55):
Why do they have to do this seven minutes a.

Speaker 9 (22:58):
Week in Rappaport, it's reporting on x that Marcus Jones
has signed an extension.

Speaker 2 (23:03):
Three new years for the Patriots. So Rapaport's reporting it.
We knew that we actually were, we actually were with
him when he signed it. So I think in about
ten minutes that'll drop. That's a patries dot com.

Speaker 6 (23:17):
Yeah. I mean, unfortunate the way it got announced, but
that's a great that's a that's a great signing.

Speaker 1 (23:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (23:23):
I think he's played really, really well.

Speaker 6 (23:25):
I think he's the kind of guy that you should
want to invest in and extend and keeping your your culture.

Speaker 4 (23:30):
Great, great move. You know I have a crush Yeah.

Speaker 6 (23:32):
Full disclosure, I have a crush on Marcus Jones.

Speaker 1 (23:34):
Yep.

Speaker 6 (23:35):
But that being said, I don't. I think anybody objectively
would look at him playing at a much higher level
defensively than he has. And he's always been the electric
punt return of that he is.

Speaker 7 (23:44):
That's the thing.

Speaker 9 (23:45):
I mean, that's we've always known about his kick return
of coverage, and you know, to me, this was.

Speaker 7 (23:49):
The player I saw when he was coming out.

Speaker 9 (23:51):
I was like, man, this guy's small, but he's just
so sticky in man coverage. And I feel like this
is the first year that I've really seen that start
to translate, where you know, he is just right on
top of guys, and you know, sure they make some
catches here and there on him.

Speaker 7 (24:04):
He's not the biggest guy, but everything.

Speaker 2 (24:05):
Feels and also physical, not afraid, you know, for his size,
not afraid to get at the line and make tackles.

Speaker 6 (24:14):
Almost the point guys, you'd like to see him tone
that down, Yeah, so he stays.

Speaker 2 (24:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (24:19):
I love that you brought that up, though, Fred, because
I've seen him a couple of times just taking on
this personality that Mike Rabel's preaching, effort and finish, and
I think you've seen that a lot from Marcus Jones
this year, even like you said, not the biggest guy,
but willing to stick is you know, stick his nose
in there making plays on the ball. So it's uh,
you know, was entering a contract year, so this is
a nice signing. And the captain this year too.

Speaker 4 (24:40):
For the first there was a play early in the
game go ahead, No, I just wanted to pay you
back off what due said. You know, he was on
the last year of his rookie contract, so he was
going to be a free agent next offseason and one
of the few like marquee free agents that they were
going to have in terms of like starters that were
up at the end of the year. So proactive, really
proactive them to get this done and avoid the open

(25:02):
market and avoid the tags and like all that stuff
in February and March. And his job is a slot corner.
Is one of the hardest things to do in the
NFL when you have to cover receivers inside the formation
that have two way gos that can go run vertical,
that can you know, go in and go out wherever.
It's not like covering on the outside where you can
stick a guy on the sideline. Like you have to

(25:24):
have a ton of awareness, coverage ability, you know, speed,
quickness like all of it, and he's done a really
really good job of that. I think that he you know,
if they nowadays they kind of amplify the slot corner
of it as its own position. I think right now
it's trending towards him having a real chance of being

(25:45):
an All Pro at the slot position and at punt returner.
So this is a guy that's really come into his
own this year with this team. He's one of the
best nickel corners in football. He's one of the best
punt returners in football. Team captain this.

Speaker 2 (25:59):
Is And if any team says, and I'm not saying
this team has, but if any team says, oh, we
don't do contracts in the middle of the season, don't
believe them. Teams will do it when they they feel
as the right time.

Speaker 6 (26:11):
More often than not, when that happens, it's because the
player doesn't want to talk about that stuff during the season.

Speaker 5 (26:17):
That's generally a tea like a player thing play.

Speaker 2 (26:20):
They don't like to talk about it. If they can
get more.

Speaker 6 (26:23):
Money, yeah they don't. I mean, if if you want
to get it done and just do it, they don't
want to deal with it. It's basically but I agree
with you. I've seen a million contract extensions, but this
is like an example, and I think that there's been
i'd say a half dozen of these kinds of plays
that I remember from Marcus Jones this year, and they're
not It's not always the flashy play that you know,

(26:44):
like Jalen Hawkins makes an incredible one hinted interception and
it makes all the highlight reels and rightly so it
was a great play. But I think Marcus Jones has
made this kind of a play a lot, and it's
a really big play. At the time that he makes it.
The game opens up, Patriots gonn. They get held to
a field goal, then Cleveland goes right down for touchdown.

Speaker 5 (27:04):
Patriots then go three and out.

Speaker 6 (27:06):
So all of a sudden, the things that you were
worried about are kind of happening, you know. And here
comes Cleveland again, second possession. Bang ten yard gain in
the first play, bang four yard gain on the second place.
So now they just went seventy yards on you. Now
they just got a first down on their first play,
and they look like they're going to get a second

(27:26):
first down as they're setting up, you know, a second
and six. Good solid efficient run on their first run
of the you know, of that drive, and then they
throw a little pass out to Judkins, who's a good
running back, and they're looking to get four or five
more yards, and Marcus Jones comes shooting up and buries
them for a two yard loss.

Speaker 3 (27:46):
Took away two reads on that point.

Speaker 6 (27:47):
Puts away to me, that ends a drive because Cleveland
cannot convert on those kinds of situations third and eight.

Speaker 5 (27:55):
They're done. They're not going to be able to do it.

Speaker 6 (27:59):
Just such a subtle play, the physicality Evan just mentioned
sort of the instincts and the recognition that he had.
I remember plays like that from him at least a
half dozen times where out of nowhere he just comes
in blows up a little swing pass or screen or something.
You know. He got called for a penalty on one
kind of play like that on the friar mouth when

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he ended up going low and he missed the tackle.
He was going for the tackle, but he missed the
tackle and got a blocker. I just Marcus Jones to me,
is the kind of guy that you want.

Speaker 9 (28:32):
To keep in your program. I mean that just highly
just the size of Judkins too. I mean It's not
an easy play for Marcus Jones. I'm not sure exactly
giving up twenty thirty pounds, probably that guy, but you know,
taking on guys getting low.

Speaker 6 (28:45):
He's so if they convert that, now all of a sudden,
they're in Patriot's territory again again, you know, and maybe
they're gonna get points. And now maybe the first half
is sort of establishing itself as a half that you're
chasing two scores and instead you end up forcing a
punt on the next play.

Speaker 5 (29:06):
You know, it took you a while.

Speaker 6 (29:07):
But you got your bearings offensively, but you never really
fell behind by multiple schoolers.

Speaker 5 (29:12):
It was only seven to three.

Speaker 4 (29:13):
Yeah, yeah, No, that play stood out to me as well.
And you know, he's got curl flat and plays the
curl first and takes away the deeper throw and then
makes Gabriel check it down to the flat and then
just shot out of a cannon on the flat and
tackles him for a tackle for loss on that one.
And you know, the interception against Buffalo obviously is a
big play.

Speaker 3 (29:33):
That he's made this year too.

Speaker 4 (29:35):
That was a huge one and basically blew out Carolina
all by himself. In Week three, I mean took that
game over as a punt returner.

Speaker 6 (29:45):
That was another one, not just that he made the play,
but when he made the play when you were kind
of listing a little bit, when he returns that punt
for a touch.

Speaker 4 (29:52):
That punt return touchdown against Carolina might be one of
the best I've ever seen.

Speaker 2 (29:56):
Remind us where he was.

Speaker 4 (29:59):
Third round eighty six overall, something like that, Yeah.

Speaker 6 (30:05):
Good pick, really good pick.

Speaker 4 (30:07):
It's one of the few picks, and not to do
this whole thing, but it's one of the few picks
in that draft that made sense.

Speaker 5 (30:12):
When everybody loved right the time, it was.

Speaker 4 (30:14):
A consensus good pick Patriots, and the rest of that
draft was like who in the first Yeah, Chattanooga, But
the rest of it was I.

Speaker 9 (30:23):
Wonder if if he's really healthy for the you know,
I just he's battled so many different injuries. I just
I wonder if maybe the reason part of the reason
he's having such a breakout this year is maybe that
he's just finally feels up to one hundred. But he
came the year after Josh left in twenty two. I
still wonder if there's any any little plays on offense
for Josh jos Loo is getting created. He lets get

(30:44):
a little crazy, but I think they've got the pieces
on offense. But I wouldn't be surprised to see him
at some point.

Speaker 2 (30:49):
Maybe they wanted to sign him before they started using
on my offense because the price would go up once
they did that, right, right.

Speaker 6 (30:55):
Right, So, just to recap the first half hour, fred
is the one who has and it's to pick with
the offensive line, and he's calling in to question the
timing of a contract extension. Very unlike you, Freddy, keepit heal.
I thought you'd be handling a five game winning streak better.

Speaker 2 (31:13):
I'm listen, this is this is great. I don't even
know what to make of it.

Speaker 6 (31:16):
Like, yeah, so that would be my knit to pick.
I don't know what to make of it yet. Yeah,
I know what to make a Drake may But yeah,
I want to see it, you know. I want to
see the second half of the season unfold. I want
to see. But I will ninety nine percent sure they're
going to be part of the playoffs. I want to
see what it looks like when they get there. I
don't want to put the cart in front of the horse.

Speaker 2 (31:35):
That's I will say. You know, somebody on one of
your shows, Well, they're beating all the bad teams. Well,
last year they played the bad teams too, and they
lost him.

Speaker 6 (31:43):
Right, And this is what we all knew, that they improved, right,
and that they would have an opportunity to win some
of these games. But I have been impressed with the
way they've won, especially the last two.

Speaker 2 (31:51):
Right, these aren't you know?

Speaker 6 (31:53):
The New Orleans won was kind of like what I
was expecting then, you know, if they had a really
good season, I expected a lot of wins like the
New Orleans one that kind of could have gone you
the way the last two games couldn't have gone either way.

Speaker 5 (32:04):
Yeah, only one way that those two games were going
to go.

Speaker 7 (32:06):
That's your point, Friday. I looked it up.

Speaker 9 (32:07):
I think there were twenty eighth in strength of schedule
after the fact last year, you know, not before the
season when you know, but after the fact. They played
a really easy schedule last year too. They won four games,
so right, you know, right.

Speaker 4 (32:19):
I mean the quarterback right now is the second in
betting odds for the MVP of the league.

Speaker 5 (32:24):
And should be and maybe you can make an argument
you should be first.

Speaker 4 (32:26):
Yeah, and Mahomes and Alan are up there kind of
on cotails right now, right like resumes.

Speaker 5 (32:30):
They haven't played as well as Drake may.

Speaker 4 (32:32):
Mahomes has played really well he has. I'm not saying
that they haven't played well, but I think played better. Yeah,
and he you know the drive that obviously, the scripted
drive by McDaniels out of the half is great. But
the other touchdown drive in the third quarter that they
put together, that twenty eight yards scramble, thirty nine yard
touchdown on a dime to Keiseh on booty, like that

(32:53):
is an MVP put the team on your back kind
of drove absolutely right. And the only guy that I
see that consistently does it like that is Josh Allen.
Like Josh Allen will hit you with the thirty yard scramble,
hit you with another haymaker, and then all of a sudden,
it's the game is over. Like that's the type of
things that you do when you look back on like
an MVP season against the top ten defense in the

(33:16):
league and he just said, hey, you know what, this
game's over.

Speaker 3 (33:19):
I'm just going to do this now.

Speaker 5 (33:21):
He needs his moments.

Speaker 6 (33:22):
Yeah, that's what that's the only you know, and it's again,
not his It's not the Patriot's fault that they're playing
bad teams and beating the bag out of them, And
it's not May's fault that he hasn't had to have
these moments that these other quarterbacks you've had.

Speaker 2 (33:34):
On the post game show, I we talked about Booty
and I said, you know, pro bowler, and I was
I was poop pooed. Why Why wouldn't I think.

Speaker 6 (33:44):
Because he's like thirty fifth in receiving, Like, what does
that mean? So he's not a Pro Bowl he's not
one of the best receivers in football.

Speaker 2 (33:51):
Thirty what what is that yards?

Speaker 5 (33:54):
I think it was yards.

Speaker 6 (33:55):
Yeah, I looked it up when you said it because
I wanted to make sure I wasn't like, and I
didn't poo poo you. I just I don't think so
Like he catches like two passes a game. Now, he's
doing everything that you're asking him to do for the Patriots.
He's been immense, But that doesn't make him justin.

Speaker 2 (34:10):
Jefferson, I didn't say he was.

Speaker 6 (34:12):
Those are Pro Bowl like Jamar Chase, those are Pro
Bowl receivers.

Speaker 2 (34:15):
Yeah, but more than two guys make the Pro Bowl. Look,
I know I know that guy on.

Speaker 6 (34:22):
TV, as you like to say to Mike and I
when we do that, they can't see no.

Speaker 2 (34:26):
But I just think the type of plays that he's
making I think is raising eyebrows around the league he's
playing with. People are like, this guy's money, he's guys.

Speaker 6 (34:35):
He's played well, But that doesn't mean that you are
one of the best receivers in football. That's what Pro
Bowl means, that's what all Pro meets.

Speaker 2 (34:42):
I think he's getting up there.

Speaker 4 (34:43):
I think I don't even think he's sniffing it. I
think it's it's gonna be interesting to see what happens
once teams realize that you can't leave him one on
one backside anymore, because like every week they just keep
on leaving him one on one backside on the coverage
and him and Drake Mayer just absolutely torching teams.

Speaker 3 (35:01):
And I just at some point they're gonna have to
do something different.

Speaker 6 (35:04):
Like that's a good point. I'm not even taking that
away from him. I'm just saying, like you he's like, like, literally,
I look this up. He was like thirty fifth and
either yards or receptions, one of the two. Okay, Like,
if you you have to be like in the at
least in the top ten.

Speaker 2 (35:21):
But I consideration, I think if he keeps up this pace,
he'll be close to one thousand yards, right you will.

Speaker 4 (35:27):
I mean, he's one of the most efficient receivers in
the league in terms of eight catch on a per
target basis. He's one of the most efficient receivers in
football right now. But I think the main thing is
that they're seeing a lot of you know, quarters coverage
where he's one on one on the backside with the
corners and he's just he's just beating these guys. Now,
how long does he get that one on one coverage

(35:49):
and do they start putting you know, cloud coverage and
all the different things that double booty right, Like what
do they do to take that away?

Speaker 3 (35:56):
Because in New Orleans he did it to him twice.

Speaker 4 (36:00):
In Tennessee they hit a bomb and then last week
they hit a bomb and it's like at some point
you got to look up and say, booties too, like
we can't do this, Like this is going to burn us.
And the double move that he ran on on Sunday
was an awesome route.

Speaker 3 (36:14):
You know, gave him a little you know and then
go and it was just like it was pitch and cad.

Speaker 4 (36:21):
It was literally like, I mean that throw is just
is just such a thing of beauty watching Drake May
throw a deep ball. It's he's the best deep ball
thrower in football. He really is, and it's just it's
fun to watch. Their their second right now in the league.
And explosive play rate uh on offense. I have the
second most explosive passing offense in football, and so you Sai,

(36:43):
that's crazy.

Speaker 6 (36:44):
During the game that I think was very apt, we
both had a laugh about it. He's kind of Chris Hogan, Yeah,
like where he just gets this cloak of invisibility.

Speaker 2 (36:54):
No, I guess I said, pop is the news Chris Hogh.

Speaker 6 (36:58):
Okay, I think Booty is the guy.

Speaker 2 (37:00):
He's making these These are great catches. Some of them
are contested.

Speaker 6 (37:04):
I didn't say that.

Speaker 2 (37:05):
Well, the thing about Hogan is he'd be wide open,
there'd be no one near it.

Speaker 6 (37:09):
Booty was wide open. He's been wide open a lot.
He was wide open.

Speaker 4 (37:12):
He was wide open in Cleveland.

Speaker 2 (37:14):
The touchdown he caught, he wasn't wide open.

Speaker 6 (37:17):
It was I agree with Evan, it's a great throw
by Drake May just because he's wide open. Doesn't mean
it's not a great throw, but it was a great
double move and he burned the guy he's like three
yards behind.

Speaker 2 (37:26):
Catch down the sideline.

Speaker 4 (37:27):
And I was saying, like the difference between him and Hogan,
like Hogan was literally running through the zones wide open.

Speaker 2 (37:35):
Why do you just let him say? Yeah, I enjoy
his I enjoyed. What did I say, He's not always
wide open.

Speaker 6 (37:43):
I'm talking about those two I didn't say every play.

Speaker 5 (37:46):
I just said those two deep.

Speaker 2 (37:47):
Balls, he was wide open.

Speaker 5 (37:49):
He gets credit for that.

Speaker 6 (37:50):
Okay, he made like that he was open on the
place Sunday, because.

Speaker 2 (37:55):
Is when you're like standing in the field.

Speaker 5 (37:57):
I thought you were talking about Booty.

Speaker 6 (37:58):
Talking about bath whole cloth of invisibility is irrelevant because
you were talking about a different guy. I misremembered. That
was my bad clue. It was a push, But I
get Booty or whatever. No, no, no, I'm talking about Booty.

Speaker 2 (38:11):
I I think he's own little conversation.

Speaker 5 (38:15):
I think he made a great double move on that play.

Speaker 6 (38:18):
Like that's like, that's that's his his job. I mean
he's on pace for like forty six catches. That's a
pro bowler. I mean, I'm sorry, he got five, he's
got twenty three. Yeah, five, Yeah, now you get the ten.

Speaker 3 (38:32):
I mean, he's leading in the league deeperception.

Speaker 6 (38:34):
So let's just let's just double his stats and say
he gets let's just call it fifty catches for nine
hundred yards and ten touchdowns.

Speaker 5 (38:42):
That's not a pro bowler. I'm sorry, it's just not.

Speaker 2 (38:44):
Oh, after other people drop out, he'll he'll.

Speaker 5 (38:47):
Go by other people.

Speaker 6 (38:48):
Do you mean all the other receivers in the league,
all of them all, Diggs is going to end up
with better numbers, the hyperbole. Diggs is going to end
up with better numbers. Do you think Diggs has had
a Pro Bowl season? Because I don't, But.

Speaker 2 (39:04):
I just think I think the types of catches Booty,
Like you said, ten touchdowns, that's pretty good, Sure, pretty good.

Speaker 6 (39:11):
You know it's pretty.

Speaker 2 (39:12):
Good, comeback player of the year, breakout.

Speaker 6 (39:16):
I'm justum, I just find it amazing that you find
a way like it's like three different things.

Speaker 5 (39:22):
It's like, let's nitpick and get an argument.

Speaker 7 (39:26):
Can good?

Speaker 5 (39:28):
Yes, yes, if.

Speaker 6 (39:29):
We're arguing, if he's like, if we're I've been incredibly
impressed with his performance this year, more so off the field. Yeah,
I'm incredibly impressed with his maturity that he's shown this year.

Speaker 3 (39:42):
So do you want his seventeen game pace since now.

Speaker 6 (39:45):
I'm going to say, fifty two catches for nine hundred
and twenty yards in ten and a half touchdowns.

Speaker 4 (39:51):
Very close, forty eight point nine catches, So forty nine
catches close, nine hundred and sixteen yards and ten and
a half.

Speaker 2 (39:59):
But he's picked up the pace. His pace is getting fast.

Speaker 3 (40:02):
Well, he opened the season with one hundred yards.

Speaker 6 (40:04):
I was going to say, it's not like you can
say those things, but it's really not accurate.

Speaker 3 (40:08):
So all right, he's been very good.

Speaker 6 (40:11):
He's been extremely valuable.

Speaker 2 (40:14):
PFW headlines and when after a good offensive game may
digs booty.

Speaker 4 (40:22):
Yeah, nice, you like that? Like that better than like
pop Star. I feel like he reminds me more of
like a Brandon LaFell than Chris Hogan. Like his style
was more he's he's a pure x, like he's playing
on the outside and he's playing the X spot. Hogan
was like a movable piece, like they wud move him

(40:43):
inside to move him outside.

Speaker 5 (40:45):
I get the Hogan thing. It was he was talking
about pop Douglas.

Speaker 6 (40:48):
I messed, yeah, that one mess that.

Speaker 3 (40:52):
I also don't really understand that one either.

Speaker 4 (40:54):
He used to just run deep balls and no one
would cover it.

Speaker 3 (40:57):
I know I.

Speaker 6 (40:57):
Used to say he wore a cloak of invisibility, but
that's what he was talking about with Pop Douglas on
that play.

Speaker 3 (41:02):
Very different players, yes, but not style.

Speaker 4 (41:05):
It's just talking about getting open.

Speaker 6 (41:07):
We're not talking about styles. Set the whole up because
you have to have an identity for every one of these.
Like I don't care what the name of the plays
that Josh McDaniels was.

Speaker 4 (41:21):
I I just loved the mix of of how.

Speaker 6 (41:25):
It got the the Browns off like off balance in well,
like he's changing directions.

Speaker 2 (41:32):
They are not easy to defend.

Speaker 7 (41:33):
We've come full circle for it finally happened.

Speaker 3 (41:36):
We agree, Did we find it?

Speaker 2 (41:38):
Did we unlock anything with all these toss plays and
getting to the outside, I.

Speaker 3 (41:44):
Think a little bit.

Speaker 4 (41:44):
I think, uh, you know with Travon Henderson definitely looks
more comfortable getting the ball outside and playing in space,
which I think we all could have seen coming. But
we talked about this a little bit the other week,
like it's not like the schemes are all that different.
They just were starting to toss it to him instead
of just handing it off to him and trying to
get him to get the corner himself. They were just

(42:06):
kind of making it easier for him to.

Speaker 3 (42:08):
Get out there.

Speaker 4 (42:09):
And then you hope that as teams start to overplay
the tosses, now the stuff up the middle will open
up a little bit, and that's how you can scheme
it up. I also thought that he had a really
good blitz pick up in this game on one of
mac Collins's catches, which was a sign of growth too. Obviously,
the fumbles, you know, two steps forward, one step back
there at the end, but I thought that this was

(42:31):
from a usage usage standpoint, it was highly encouraging, like
this is how they probably should have been using him
from the start, and now that they found this out,
hopefully that leads to more results down you know, down
the line here, and then hopefully they can get him
a little bit more involved in the passing game too,
and and you know, do that sort of thing as well.

(42:52):
But I definitely think that they found a little bit
of something and now it's just another thing that defenses
are going to have to plan for and have to
you know, in their heads as well, so they had
a couple of you know, play action tosses off the
toss action that they got open receivers off of, so
all of it is was kind of encouraging.

Speaker 2 (43:12):
All Right, We've got a lot to talk about, and
I'm sure our listeners want to get in on the conversations.
So let's open it up. A five five pass five
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the email that's how you get in touch with us.
Let's start with the phone bank. We'll start with Anthony
and Seattle. What's up, Anthony, Anthony? Anthony, Yeah.

Speaker 10 (43:42):
First, so I'm like, oh.

Speaker 2 (43:44):
Yeah, I was on you, brit no problem.

Speaker 10 (43:46):
Hey, listen, I got I got two things today and
then I'll hang up and listen. So I'll get these these.
I got one for uh, one thing for Evan, and
then uh, Paul, I've got one item for submission for
review into a Carillo's School of Clock Management. Though it
might be more of a situational football you might have
to transfer me to the situational football department.

Speaker 2 (44:08):
It's one of the same with Paul. Yeah, go ahead,
he can hear.

Speaker 10 (44:11):
Hey, hen, Nicky, important thing you had talked about it
a while back. On catch twenty two, and you kind
of confirmed what I kind of felt like I was seeing.
But you had talked about, you know, Drake May he
had been sacked twelve times at the time, and it
was like for like forty eight yards, and I go, yeah,
that seems about right, because with this new found learned

(44:34):
ability to not drift in the pocket if he goes
right or you know, left or right, he's escaping to throw,
but he's learned to step into the pocket and then
he's either stepping in and deliver a pass or he's
taken off and he's going forward. And when neither of
those is an option, when he gets backed, he's getting
stack going forward. And then so I'm seeing a lot
of like second and thirteen, second and fourteen, and then

(44:55):
you know, with the offense that they've been playing, they
convert those within the next couple So that's the speaking
big thing. How you can have one of the most
stacked quarterbacks and still have one of the best offenses
in football. And I had Paul. So this one, I'm
gonna be quick. Okay, I know the game was over, Okay,
but as a football fan, if the Patriots did this,

(45:16):
ib Ira and I know you're gonna know where I'm
going with this. Cleveland is down to thirty to seven.
They go down the field and you get a touchdown,
you get a score to make it a two score game,
except you don't make it a two score game because
for some reason you want to go for two to
make it fifteen instead of just taking your extra point

(45:39):
and making a two score game. And ah, by the way,
you recovered an on side kick, so you could have
had the ball down two scores with the ball with
a sliver of pope, I will.

Speaker 11 (45:51):
Hang up and listen.

Speaker 2 (45:53):
Thanks you.

Speaker 6 (45:53):
And then the on side kick didn't happen after the
touchdown that they recovered.

Speaker 5 (45:57):
It was after the safety. But I agree with Anthony.

Speaker 6 (46:01):
They and I said it live like you have a
chance to get within sixteen. Take it. I mean the
game was over. He's right, Anthony. Everything Anthony said is
one hundred percent right. And so the whole fourteen thing
like that just I don't know if everybody was paying attention.
They had a chance to kick an extra point and
make it sixteen, just like Anthony said, which technically gives

(46:22):
you two possessions, and you can do it if you
miss the two point in you don't get anything out
of the fifteen fifteen sixteen is really not a huge difference.
Sixteen and seventeen is an enormous difference. So I don't
really understand that. I hate the whole fourteen thing that
everybody does. Now, the Jets just executed it perfectly and
won a game with it. They went for two and

(46:44):
the first one got it kicked the extra point one
thirty nine thirty eight. I don't like it, but at
least I understand I'm scoring a touchdown to get within
a score. I'm going for two to try to get
to within six. But I'm still within a score even
if I miss, risking having to have an additional score.
So I don't like it, but at least that makes

(47:08):
logical sense. I'm only I'm getting within one score either
way this and again, I know the game was over.
You know, they're probably just working on two point plays
at that point, trying to get some practice and whatever.
But I think you should if you're planning on on
side kick, you should play it out and try to
do it that way. But just as a clarific you know, cleary, clarify, clarify,

(47:32):
they did the on side kick after the touchdown and
didn't get it. It was after the safety, after the
Henderson fumble. They got a safety and then they did
a free kick. That's when they got the on side kick.
That's when they recovered. And evidently Mike Mike not happy
with Austin Hooper on that play based on yeah, based

(47:52):
on his comments best on Mike's comments about the on
side kick recovery, he did not call Hooper out individually.
But that's the guy who.

Speaker 4 (48:00):
Because usually when it when they they bounce it like
that in the air, you need to go get the ball,
you know what when it bounces.

Speaker 2 (48:07):
Like you don't.

Speaker 4 (48:10):
You got to hit somebody because you got to go
get the ball. Whereas like sometimes they just like go
down the line and pick a guy and just kick
it right at him and hopefully it bounces off of
them and like that. But that's when you like wait
on it like a grounder in baseball and you.

Speaker 3 (48:25):
Kind of attack it, right.

Speaker 4 (48:28):
But yeah, the the whole like extra point thing, it's
just a philosophical We don't have to like get into
the whole debate, but like is being down is it
two scores? When you need to get too extra point?
Two point conversions.

Speaker 2 (48:46):
I look at it. I look at it as clock,
like the clock isn't running when you go for those
two And I hear that argument, you know.

Speaker 4 (48:53):
I think a lot of people look at Okay, you
need two touchdowns and two point two point to get time, right,
that's not truly a two score game.

Speaker 6 (49:03):
It is, but it is.

Speaker 3 (49:05):
I'm possessed. I actually am on your side on this one.

Speaker 6 (49:08):
Right, because you can't possibly not be like the fourteen
twenty can make. You can make an argument about it,
but you you need to possess the ball twice to
score sixteen points, yep, to score seventeen, you need to
get it three times, right. I don't care what your
extra points are. You need the ball three times. There's

(49:28):
a difference there, there is, and it's not. I mean again,
if Stefanski might have been looking at it, say I
got a young quarterback making his fourth start, he could
you know, well, we're going to play this out, we're
going to use the two point conversion as practice. And
if that was his rationale, I have no problem with it.
But if you're actually trying to win the game, that
makes no sense.

Speaker 2 (49:46):
What you did. Christians in la Hey Christian Christian.

Speaker 1 (49:54):
Oh yeah, oh.

Speaker 12 (49:55):
Yes, I just want to quickly okay, and this is
a big deal to me, is that do you guys
realize what happened the other day? Do you guys realize
that we please, it's not the best defense in the league.

Speaker 2 (50:14):
We didn't realize that. No, I didn't know what's going
on with your phone?

Speaker 5 (50:21):
D a good defense and play good offense?

Speaker 2 (50:24):
What are you doing talk into the phone? Well, okay,
get us off speaker.

Speaker 7 (50:30):
His heart's not in it today.

Speaker 6 (50:31):
I don't think it's like the guy that we're.

Speaker 2 (50:33):
Gonna move on.

Speaker 6 (50:35):
Into the sports Hub. Last week, it is like, I'm
from Cleveland. I don't know like Miles Garrett He's he's right, thanks,
you need.

Speaker 2 (50:41):
To be from Cleveland. Oh no, I actually had somebody
on the block, you know, uh that said, you know,
Miles Garrett is is one of the best players. And
you know I've been saying that all week. I'm like, oh,
you're the one that that's been saying that. Kirk's in Delaware, Hey, Kirk, Kirk.

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These people aren't ready today. What's going on? Kirk?

Speaker 5 (51:05):
Yeah, it's not happy.

Speaker 4 (51:08):
I think he'd be much happier with a five game
I think it's my fault, all right.

Speaker 2 (51:12):
Kirk's gone, Kirk's gone. I can't, we can't. We can't
have these pre snap penalties fall start. These are pre
snap penalties unaccepted. That's on the player. That's on the player.
Randall's in Texas, Hey Randall.

Speaker 13 (51:29):
What's going on? Boys?

Speaker 6 (51:31):
That's how you do it? Good, solid five yard Ronnie
was ready to go.

Speaker 2 (51:35):
Mess with don't mess with Texas.

Speaker 13 (51:39):
I was gonna say, isn't it crazy how we have
Margus Jones pace for three years now or three more
years now and now? It was kind of like, yes, too,
elite quarters, is it weird to say that we have
wouldn't might be better than Christian Gonzalez a little bit
or just as good as him. Honestly, I feel like
you've been playing good. He's really good, really really good.
No one's talking about them, but well the.

Speaker 2 (52:00):
Team definitely noticed. Yeah.

Speaker 9 (52:02):
Yeah, I mean he's seen a lot of action. I
mean I think that's just we talk about him every week. Yeah,
being part of being on the slot, like Paul said,
I mean, he's just he's involved in so much.

Speaker 1 (52:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (52:09):
Yeah, that's a huge mental and physical undertaking playing in there.

Speaker 14 (52:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (52:15):
Yeah, in the trio of Marcus, Donzo and Davis is
like pretty underrage and honestly, all right, thanks Randall.

Speaker 4 (52:22):
I know it's underrated. I think a lot of people
know it's a really good cornerback trio and just Stat's
kind of buried out. They don't throw at him, like
they really don't throw at Davis or Gonzo all that much.
You know, Gonzo was targeted more in this game and
kind of dominated and looked like his old self, which
was a really good sign, I thought, and laughing at
Jerry Judy, who you know.

Speaker 6 (52:41):
What was that about? Which thinks it is good?

Speaker 3 (52:44):
Like do you think you're gonna beat me with that?

Speaker 2 (52:46):
Come on?

Speaker 6 (52:46):
This was like what I was talking about, Like I
I want to see some of some of this stuff,
and what they've done has been impressive, I don't know
how difficult, you know. I want to say they've faced
the thirty fourth, thirty third, thirty second, and thirty first
and twenty ninth rated passers in football or something like that.

(53:09):
I mean they've played they've played eight games, and they've
played five of the most wretched passing attacks in football
that you that you could see, you know, like Sunday,
like I agree with you guys. You got we all
We talked about Gonzalez a little bit on the in
the postgame show, and I kind of, you know, I
wasn't as effusive in my praise because he's locking up

(53:30):
Jerome Forde like what like they have not like this
is not Gonzalez's fault. Again, just like I don't blame
Drake may for completing seventy plus percent of his passes
every week, not his fault. They're dominating. But who are
they dominating? Sure, that's that'd been.

Speaker 3 (53:47):
My only Judy's a good player, but they don't have
a quarterback.

Speaker 6 (53:49):
Not this year. He hasn't been a good player, and
they doesn't the quarterbacks.

Speaker 4 (53:53):
Yeah, I mean that might be why.

Speaker 9 (53:55):
Like by me, almost what stood out most of Gonzalez
was just how well he came up and tackled in
like his physicality and not a lot of yards And
you know, those are the things to me impresses me
with that. Sure, I just those things. In the first
few weeks he was back, it seemed a little slow
to click. It seemed like the tackles were a little
bit more unsure or later or broken, and that that
was more to me than even the coverage, Like, I
just it's that's the Gonzales I remember playing.

Speaker 7 (54:17):
At a high level.

Speaker 2 (54:18):
Yeah, I think I think he's like I think he's
one hundred percent confident now, Like.

Speaker 6 (54:22):
The Gonzales play against Buffalo. To me is that it's
vintage and zounds like the one to knock away the
pastor she care, that's what I could play. You know,
she cares a pretty good player. I don't not not
a Pro Bowl or anything like that.

Speaker 1 (54:34):
He's not.

Speaker 2 (54:35):
Yeah, Boody, I took the words out of my than well,
you know part of it for me.

Speaker 6 (54:41):
Those twos you just know, you see the re run
like I like them, So I looked it up. Either way,
he's twenty sixth in yards. He's not in the top
fifty in receptions.

Speaker 15 (54:51):
This thing was not with.

Speaker 9 (54:52):
Gonzo though, that I like about some of the physicality
showed us, just like the style that these guys play
with under Vrabel. I don't necessarily know Gonzalez is totally
that guy. If he's totally that kind of fiery, aggressive
personality player, I think he plays.

Speaker 6 (55:06):
That's why I like that.

Speaker 2 (55:07):
But I like, like, I like a little of the physicality.

Speaker 7 (55:10):
That's the solid tackling.

Speaker 9 (55:12):
I think those are things that will appeal to Vrabel
and say this is you know, look, he's never going
to be that aggressive in your face scream, but he
can play tough and physicals.

Speaker 5 (55:20):
Had to come over and like drag him away.

Speaker 14 (55:23):
I like that.

Speaker 3 (55:24):
Yeah, yeah, I like stuff to calm down. And they're
running so much.

Speaker 4 (55:28):
You know, they run so much zone in this system,
and I don't care for it necessarily, but it's the
defense that they're running, and they run a lot of
this guy's zone. So him finding ways to make plays
in zone, which has not always been his specialty, but
also just it's just not his forte and uh, you know,
I thought the one that he came up and and
not the guy knocked the ball out of the guy's hands,

(55:50):
you know, playing the flat there, it was it was
a really good play, you know, kind of just took
away the deeper one, kind of like similar to the
one we talked about with Marcus Jones before.

Speaker 6 (55:59):
Those guys were good Sunday.

Speaker 3 (56:01):
Yeah, and that those types of plays, that's that's good
to see.

Speaker 4 (56:04):
But are they again were I think it was like
seventy percent zone in this game, and like, look, you're
facing a young quarterback.

Speaker 6 (56:12):
You're trying to spin the dial on. Well, I'm not
taking any points away from them. Yeah, I mean I
want to see it against some of the better teams,
but I'm not going to take points away because they're
dominating against you know, pedestrian passing games.

Speaker 3 (56:25):
I just keep going back to the Buffalo game.

Speaker 4 (56:27):
Sorry, that's all right, Like they played forty percent man
in Buffalo, and they challenge the Bills receivers in man
to man with Gonzo back, and like when they face
good quarterbacks, I still think they're going to go to that,
and that makes me feel a little bit better. The
last couple of weeks, it's been a lot of zone
and they're kind of just looking at these young quarterbacks like,

(56:48):
are you going to read it out? Are you going
to find the openings? Are you going to consistently hit
the windows? Like we have confidence that you're not.

Speaker 9 (56:54):
I just want to ask you what you thought of
And I read the next gen pressure rates for the defense,
which was pretty high.

Speaker 7 (57:01):
Yeah, and so I'm kind of stuck.

Speaker 9 (57:03):
I'd be interested to see a what you saw on
how PFF created it out, But like it just seems
to me like they're ranking highly in pressure, but it's
not really affecting the quarterback.

Speaker 4 (57:13):
So I think in this game they tried to put
him in the trash compactor because he's five eleven and
can't see over the line of scrimmage. So they were
trying to just kind of push the pocket and suffocate
the pocket around him. And what ended up happening was
is that you can see him back there, and he
ended up having to get out of the pocket because
he literally couldn't see over the line of scrimmage.

Speaker 6 (57:34):
And that's what cost them an opportunity to make a
big play after the interception the pass to Isaiah Bond. Yeah,
he shouldn't have had to leave the pocket on that play.
He should have just thrown it, but he probably couldn't see.

Speaker 2 (57:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (57:46):
Yeah, so they.

Speaker 4 (57:48):
You know, Chase on bar More, Williams Tonga all day long.
They're just bul rushing. They're just speed to power press
the pocket and make him see over it, and he's
five foot eleven.

Speaker 2 (58:01):
Anthony writes in on the podcast at Patriots dot Com email,
Josh McDaniels is a godsend. He has so many wrinkles
off the same formation. He was just as important to
hire as Vrabel Do we agree. I don't know. It's
so the head coach is the head coach.

Speaker 4 (58:21):
You're scratching two different inches there, like the head coaches
setting culture, setting tone, you know, making sure everything's orchestrated
from a CEO type level, like McDaniels is. I think
what is making McDaniels thrive, other than having Drake may,
which is obviously huge, is that like he just has
to go in the lab, like he's not being asked

(58:42):
to do any of the you know, higher level head
coaching responsibilities or anything like that. He's just game planning
and drawn up plays and doing what he does best.
So without one, you can't really have the other because
then there'd be more on mcdaniels's play.

Speaker 9 (58:58):
I mean along those lines, you know, Christian Barmore didn't
play in the first quarter, Mike Rabel, that's something the
head coach has to do. Any feelings on that, were
you guys surprised by Barmore? Seems like Mike Rabel is,
we dealt with it.

Speaker 7 (59:10):
We're moving on. It's in the past.

Speaker 9 (59:13):
But those are the kind of things you're Radar is
always up up for, and you know with Barmore, who's
had some issues in the past.

Speaker 7 (59:19):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (59:19):
Yeah, I mean, we still don't know what happens.

Speaker 6 (59:22):
I'd like to have known someone.

Speaker 4 (59:23):
I asked him, but yeah, he didn't want to talk.
I mean, yeah, we tried. So by after the game,
we're talking about Rabel or Barmore. Brabel, oh, that one
I can't speak to. But Barmore declined to talk to reporters.

Speaker 2 (59:35):
I mean, so they've probably made an agreement. We're going
to keep it internal. But the fact that it was
a one quarter suspension probably speaks to the severity of it. Yeah,
you know, so it's probably more of a team rules
type of thing.

Speaker 9 (59:51):
I think that's yeah, yeah, that's just the kind of
stuff though that Josh McDaniels doesn't have to worry about it.

Speaker 4 (59:56):
The offensive coordinator, he you know, well, I just think
it's you know, that one and you know, along those
same lines like Kean White being a healthy scratch was
definitely eyebrow raising, especially given the trade deadline.

Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
Team full of guys and things are going to happen
throughout the year, and that's part of the questions an
owner has to ask, you know, any head coach that
they're candidate. It's not the ex's and o's all these
most of these coaches, they know the ex's and o's,
it's what do you do, how do you discipline? What's
your culture? What do you do at three o'clock when

(01:00:30):
you get that phone call? How do you deal with that?
You know, that's just as important for an owner to
know about their head coach. Tyler from Ludlow. I know
the old timers like Fred and Paul have gotten questions
in the past about when they knew Brady became Brady.
Obviously it's too early to begin any real comparisons, but

(01:00:50):
does it feel like right now could be that moment
for Drake? We can revisit this when he wins six
Super Bowls, but what he is doing now feels real special.
It is really, do we know that this guy's going
to be great right now?

Speaker 6 (01:01:05):
I don't. But what that doesn't mean that what he's
doing isn't special, Like I don't think that it's just
you know, a fluke to have, like, really seven consecutive games.
I would say the Pittsburgh game wasn't great. Statistically it was,
but it wasn't great. But the other six games, like
you'd be hard for you could count on one hand,
the amount, Oh Drake, what are you doing on that one?

(01:01:26):
You know, there's not too many mistakes, but you need
the spots, you need the moments.

Speaker 9 (01:01:30):
Yeah, I mean I flashing back a little bit to
just the early days of Brady.

Speaker 7 (01:01:34):
Being like is he really special?

Speaker 9 (01:01:36):
Like you know, like you just you can't quite believe it,
and like part of me doesn't want to jinx Drake
and you know, be like this is it. But at
the same time, like, you know, has a guy ever
put a stretch together like this and then just fallen
completely back to earth and he's just an average, below
average quarterback that's hard to.

Speaker 6 (01:01:51):
Stretch statistically like this, I would probably say no, But
I've seen guys play well for you know, whole seasons
and then not so well.

Speaker 4 (01:01:59):
Yeah, I think that what's special about him is like
everything is on the menu. And if you're a coordinator
that you know, like Josh is really good at his job.
Like there's so many different things that you can do
to leverage Drake may against defenses that just make for
easy offense. Like you know, you can't run bootlegs with

(01:02:20):
a stationary pocket passer. You can't run you know, read
options and RPOs and things like that. You can't run
the offense as much out of the gun because he's
his own checkdown. So if you have to get into
a situation where there's nobody open downfield, well now he
can take off and he can scramble for a checkdown
instead of having to find a checkdown. So now you
almost like don't even need to program a check down

(01:02:42):
into the offense. So now you can put five guys
deep in the pattern and like the way that that
just like stresses defenses. Defenses are not built to cover
five downfield eligibles, Like they're not really built that way structurally.
Usually you have level to the concepts and you have
checkdowns that are kind of safety valves in the flats

(01:03:04):
that you can kind of forget about.

Speaker 2 (01:03:06):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:03:06):
Now they can really stress the team down the field
because he's so mobile, And like, this is why these
types of quarterbacks are taking over the NFL is because
it's just so difficult to defend these types of guys.
So I don't know how that like, yeah, he might
not be this consistent for this long of a stretch
like he has been here, but his talent isn't going

(01:03:28):
to just evaporate. Nope, No, so like that that's always
going to be.

Speaker 7 (01:03:32):
There's just injuries. That's the only real concern that you know, injury.

Speaker 9 (01:03:35):
I mean it's kind of like Joe Burrow just is
never you know, he's always kind of fighting something.

Speaker 7 (01:03:39):
And if Drake were to get hurt and lose some
of that mobility, that that.

Speaker 9 (01:03:43):
But otherwise it's hard to come up with a reason
why he can't play at a high level. Maybe not
ridiculous like as he's been, but he looks.

Speaker 7 (01:03:51):
Elite to me.

Speaker 2 (01:03:51):
Travis and West Virginia. Fred. The lobe of your brain
that tells you Booty is a pro bowler must be
the same lobe that tells you pat Naguawama is an
interesting caller, Patty getting trapped.

Speaker 5 (01:04:03):
Patty has gotten a lot of strange.

Speaker 2 (01:04:05):
Yeah, calls in, loves the team. That's some questions. I
don't know, I don't know.

Speaker 6 (01:04:10):
Yeah, that's tough.

Speaker 2 (01:04:12):
All right, back to the phones eight five hundred. Let's see,
we'll go to uh Joe and Pennsylvania. Hey, Joe, Yojo, Hey.

Speaker 16 (01:04:22):
Guys love the show.

Speaker 17 (01:04:24):
And I'll just take it back on some of the
Josh McDaniels talk. And here's just some scenarios for you. Uh,
what if Josh McDaniels if he never left after twenty one?
Do you think still think Bill still be would still
be here? And maybe even mac Jones A good Questionnios.
The other two scenarios, what if Dre what if Gerrod

(01:04:46):
Mayo hired Josh? And then also to do you think
do you think Drake is an MVP candidate right now
without Josh McDaniels, say if they hired somebody else.

Speaker 2 (01:04:57):
Well, I'd have to know who that's somebody else is. Yeah,
it's one of good.

Speaker 6 (01:05:03):
Yeah, I do think that. I think he's because I
give more of the credit to the player, thanks Joe,
than anybody else. It doesn't mean I don't think Josh
mc chamons is doing a good job. Right, And I
just told you I thought Sunday was his best masterclass.
I thought that drive at the beginning of the third
quarter had to have at least something to do with
going in at halftime and talking about some different things

(01:05:24):
they were.

Speaker 2 (01:05:24):
Going to do, like he was doing Ted talk on
the sideline.

Speaker 6 (01:05:27):
That drive was so effective it looked like the opponent's
drive against the Patriots on the first drive every game.

Speaker 2 (01:05:32):
Yeah, but his first question was a good one.

Speaker 5 (01:05:36):
It's like, did I take it a little too far?

Speaker 2 (01:05:38):
How would history be different if, instead of Patricia and
Judge being you know, elevated to the offense Josh McDaniel
stayed with Matt Jones for his second year.

Speaker 6 (01:05:50):
That's an interest to his teams are very talent devoid.

Speaker 9 (01:05:53):
I think they probably would have been better, but not
good enough to climb out of the basement.

Speaker 7 (01:05:58):
It's kind of Evans thing.

Speaker 9 (01:05:59):
I think it would get you into the middle of
the draft, but it wouldn't get you, Drake May, it
wouldn't catch you.

Speaker 2 (01:06:04):
I just remember, like all the turmoil that having Patricia
as offensive coiner led to mac Jones asking questions being
put in the doghouse. Balachic wouldn't even mention this.

Speaker 5 (01:06:17):
Dame Bill would still be here. Do you think that
regime would still be intact?

Speaker 6 (01:06:20):
No, to me is the question.

Speaker 3 (01:06:22):
I think Bill's problem was roster.

Speaker 6 (01:06:24):
I don't like that.

Speaker 4 (01:06:25):
I mean, obviously the decisions with the coordinators and stuff
was bad too, But the issue that I and I,
you know, something like it was kind of a cautionary tale.
And you know, Elliot Wolf was here for twenty one too,
so you kind of hope that he learns from it.
They didn't really add in twenty two, Like they they
took this troup the big free agency hall in twenty
one DeVante Parker, and then they went into twenty two

(01:06:47):
with all this momentum coming off a ten win season,
and they kind of stayed pat and then plateaued as
a team in twenty one. So like next offseason, I'm
not saying that they have to go out and spend
three hundred million dollars again, but you have to go
out and get a piece for.

Speaker 3 (01:07:04):
Drake May to take this to keep adding to this offense, Like.

Speaker 4 (01:07:09):
You can't just be complacent, and I think Bill was complacent,
And I think a lot of it, you know, I
know Paul's been big on this is that he.

Speaker 3 (01:07:16):
Just didn't believe in it.

Speaker 4 (01:07:17):
Like I genuinely don't think that he believed that receivers
and the shiny toys and all that stuff was really
that valuable in the grand scheme of it all. But
that was kind of their undoing, was how they handled
that position and how they handled that room.

Speaker 9 (01:07:32):
I was just say, Jacobe Meers leaves him leaving twenty two,
you bring into Vante Parker, that was kind of it, right.

Speaker 6 (01:07:37):
So I would even you know, everything I was saying
about the roster is I would absolutely agree.

Speaker 2 (01:07:43):
With comestad a specialty.

Speaker 6 (01:07:44):
But yeah, but I would even just take it a
step further. I think Evan's right. I think that it
probably would have unfolded in a similar fashion. I think
we would have come to the conclusion that make mac
Jones wasn't talented enough to lift others around him, and
they weren't as good. It's the Andy thing. They were

(01:08:05):
a ten win team. They won ten games, but they
weren't a ten win team in twenty one. That in
my view, was proven over the last six games when
they played some good teams and lost them all and
got boat raced in the playoffs. I don't think that
they were good enough to have Bill overcome his personal mistakes.

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Speaker 1 (01:10:33):
Hey guys, hello, goode are you? Are you you great?

Speaker 4 (01:10:39):
Eight weeks and Mike has anything about this team or
where you're at exceeded your expectations.

Speaker 20 (01:10:51):
I don't think that that's fair, and essers necessarily say
exceeded any expectations.

Speaker 1 (01:10:59):
Try not to.

Speaker 20 (01:11:00):
Don't have expectations, right, We just have things that we
want to try to focus on and improve on. You know,
I don't think that they I think that they are
believe in themselves and that they believe that they're going
to make some plays, and that they're you know, not really.

Speaker 1 (01:11:19):
Panicking, and.

Speaker 20 (01:11:22):
Signs of complimentary football and signs of preparation, and then
some things that we have to continue to correct. And
I think that that's that's really good. When you can
find ways to win and end the game with the
football in your hand and kneeling on it. Those are
things that I think good teams find a way to do.

(01:11:46):
We just have to, you know, play a little better
and keep improving. And you know, through this stretch here
in the middle middle of the season where guys are
banged up and there's you know, weeks kind of start
to you know, the days they kind of really just
start to be similar, and I like the consistency of it.
I just don't want guys to to get you know, flat,

(01:12:09):
or you know, some of these veteran guys that we
got to be conscious of getting their.

Speaker 1 (01:12:14):
Bodies back in this time of year.

Speaker 7 (01:12:18):
I felt like you guys were.

Speaker 12 (01:12:19):
Able to get treveon going a little bit yesterday.

Speaker 1 (01:12:21):
I just wanted to ask you on some of those pitch.

Speaker 7 (01:12:24):
Plays, like those misdirection pitch plays.

Speaker 1 (01:12:27):
What makes those hard to defend? You think?

Speaker 4 (01:12:29):
And does it put doubt in the minds of defensive.

Speaker 14 (01:12:32):
Players if you're able to.

Speaker 1 (01:12:33):
Hit on one of those early in the game.

Speaker 20 (01:12:35):
Well, a lot of that is predicated on the defense
that they're playing, and you know sometimes zone or corners
that may roll up, or you know, pressure to a
certain side, or you know, whatever it may be. So
I felt like that was something that we could do
this week, and it was good to hit a couple

(01:12:56):
of those guys, did a nice job of getting out
in front of them, and.

Speaker 1 (01:13:01):
You know we're able to hit some explosive gains that way.

Speaker 20 (01:13:04):
So it'll it'll be all kind of all separate, you know,
each and every week based on what we need or
what we feel like we can do.

Speaker 9 (01:13:12):
Well.

Speaker 20 (01:13:12):
Yesterday, I thought he you know, ran well out in space.
I thought he made a good cut on one of
those perimeter plays and continue to work and you know,
got a couple of returns and I feel like we
could be better there, but you know, being able to
have his speed on the edge. And again we're going

(01:13:33):
to try to use all the all the skilled players
that we have. Just like yesterday, Max the leading receiver
by by the numbers, so kind of each week, I
think everybody's ready to go and try to take advantage
of their opportunity and no different than the running backs like.

Speaker 21 (01:13:53):
Cample played yesterday and had three bottles with the future
Hall of Fame or with your message.

Speaker 1 (01:13:59):
I mean I think it.

Speaker 20 (01:14:00):
You know, again, it's always a challenge when you play
Miles Garrett and you know, it's hard to recreate that
speed and that type of you know, what are we
going to do on the show team?

Speaker 1 (01:14:09):
Like who do we have? Like if we did, they
wouldn't be on a show team.

Speaker 20 (01:14:14):
So there were some you know, good plays, good blocks patients,
closing a space and did a good job in a
run game. And then you know some plays that again
he would like to have back, and yeah, I think
that's what happens. But I think Will is going to
keep practicing and improving and continuing to help us.

Speaker 2 (01:14:41):
Garrett came.

Speaker 1 (01:14:43):
For a lineup.

Speaker 2 (01:14:44):
Is there more too much of a runway?

Speaker 1 (01:14:46):
Yeah, that need to close the space a little bit,
close the space and know that, hey, everybody else is
on their own.

Speaker 20 (01:14:55):
We we have to commit to two players, uh to
Ales as opposed to maybe hanging in there a little bit.
So I think we will all learn from that and
be able to uh to improve and understand. You know,
he's seen those all the time, so he knows, you know,

(01:15:16):
when he's coming off that that chip that we have
to probably close the distance and know that he's ready
to make another move or another couple moves were.

Speaker 7 (01:15:25):
Some things that said Josh McDaniels.

Speaker 1 (01:15:26):
A part is a play designer and a play caller.

Speaker 20 (01:15:28):
It seems like Drake has some really wide open targets
and times and obviously Traygion getting going outside. Well, I
think as a as a play designer, I'm I'm excited
where everybody is offensively and kind of you know, being
able to collaborate and come together, provide ideas, allow Josh

(01:15:49):
and you know, to to kind of figure out what
he wants to do each and every week, whether that's
the run game or play pass, movement series, screens, drop
back passes.

Speaker 1 (01:16:00):
So I like where that's at. And then I think
as far as you know the play calling.

Speaker 20 (01:16:06):
That that's you know, that's just a feel, that's an
understanding of, you know, what we need, where they're at,
what they're trying to do, trying to marry some concepts
together with some of their run actions. And I think
he's done done a great job, not only this year,
but you know, being able to see what he's done

(01:16:29):
in the past. That's always just a feel of, you know,
we showed this, let's come back and you know, let's
try to show them the same presentation but run a
different play and then.

Speaker 1 (01:16:41):
You know, some of the you know, guys free. I
think just I don't know if that's the case.

Speaker 20 (01:16:46):
You know, I mean Pop was free because the quarterback
extended and they.

Speaker 1 (01:16:50):
Didn't cover them.

Speaker 20 (01:16:51):
So we need to continue to do that and find
ways to get the ball out on time, but then
also a lot of quarterback to to extend. So to
answer your question, I like where we are offensively, the collaboration,
the communication, the efficiency to put the game plan together,
and then Josh's ability to marry off different concepts that.

Speaker 3 (01:17:13):
We have wait and now great moments in.

Speaker 7 (01:17:20):
History.

Speaker 19 (01:17:21):
I did think it was funny when Bill's like, is
that another one of your made up reports? Like, no, actually,
that's from Adam Schefter, Like, oh, actually actually.

Speaker 6 (01:17:31):
Actually said that's not what he said. I ridge the
tweet because that's not what I told him to say.
Oh wait, I'm sorry.

Speaker 7 (01:17:39):
What what do the gap girls become?

Speaker 3 (01:17:42):
What if Bill talked like that?

Speaker 6 (01:17:45):
Can you imagine if you count and he just started
talking with a whole different like syntax and are.

Speaker 5 (01:17:51):
The best team we faced all year.

Speaker 19 (01:17:53):
I just spent the season on Nantucket and I was
preparing for the draft.

Speaker 6 (01:18:00):
Or he just like wolfed into like lack this big
lax guy Laxboro. Yeah yeah, bro, Bro, we could get
to Sean Watson. Bro, we could get to Sean Watson.
He's got the hair in the back a different, different
accident for a different day of the week, because he
has all these different you know, regular Bill on Monday,
from get Laxborough on Wednesday, you get Valley Girl on.

Speaker 19 (01:18:19):
Friday, and people are so intimidated by him that no
one would question it.

Speaker 4 (01:18:22):
They would all just be like, oh what, Bill Wonder,
why are you.

Speaker 2 (01:18:27):
Talking like a valley girl right now? It would be celebrated.
Oh and then everybody would start telling he adapts, how
he adapts. That's another great moment from all right back here.
Patriots on Filterday, five to five past five hundred is
the hot line. It's Evan, It's Paul me, Deuce, Matt
and the booth tucking Patriots talking like everybody else. Talk

(01:18:51):
of the town.

Speaker 3 (01:18:52):
I don't like it, talk of the town. Stay on
that side, dan Orlovsky.

Speaker 4 (01:18:56):
Wow, you know, I'm not afraid you don't like the
attention now, No, I just don't like that all these
people are telling me that Drake may needed to sit
for three years and now he's the MVP of the league.

Speaker 6 (01:19:07):
And.

Speaker 4 (01:19:10):
So yeah, no, I knew all along he was gonna
be great like and we're back. If I remember correctly,
he was supposed to be the next to Jordan Love.

Speaker 3 (01:19:22):
Was that correct? And he needed to sit and you
had to be careful with him and his footwork just
wasn't good.

Speaker 4 (01:19:28):
Bill, Well we're now, Oh yeah, where where's that one?

Speaker 2 (01:19:32):
Coach killer?

Speaker 4 (01:19:33):
Yeah, coach killer, m VP of the league. Yeah, we
can kill.

Speaker 6 (01:19:40):
This is the stuff I did not miss.

Speaker 3 (01:19:42):
I remember.

Speaker 2 (01:19:43):
But you don't like, you know, revisiting takes, Paul, No,
why not.

Speaker 6 (01:19:48):
I don't mind revisiting takes. But I've told you a
million times the best thing you do, like your Danie Olowski.
I can sit here and tell you he shouldn't be
playing right now, he should have sat two years, or
I could tell you what is actually happening is that
he's an MVP candidate. I would prefer that he does
the latter, because that's what everybody sees. But we just
want to kill the guy.

Speaker 7 (01:20:08):
Yeah, this is this is.

Speaker 2 (01:20:13):
I'm just teasing because he's an all twenty two competitors.
I like Dan a lot.

Speaker 4 (01:20:19):
I'm just I'm just teasing Dan. I'm not ice breakdown
of Drake May on draft night telling us how bad
his footwork was.

Speaker 2 (01:20:28):
Yeah, this is his lowest ranked quarterback.

Speaker 3 (01:20:31):
In the game in the a SEC. Thank you.

Speaker 7 (01:20:35):
That's close last week.

Speaker 18 (01:20:36):
What this is?

Speaker 6 (01:20:37):
This is what I'm saying. I don't have any problem
keeping receipts that you guys know that. I have arguments
going like seven at a time. Yeah, I keep receipts.

Speaker 7 (01:20:47):
I've said my piece, all right, listen.

Speaker 2 (01:20:50):
I thought Matt Patricia was going to be a fine
offensive coordinator.

Speaker 5 (01:20:54):
And really we just thank him.

Speaker 2 (01:20:56):
We should thank him, we should thank him. We've all
been wrong.

Speaker 4 (01:20:59):
But the I just the ones about Drake May annoying
me more than anything else because I just never understood
what the hysteria was with him coming out.

Speaker 2 (01:21:08):
Now.

Speaker 4 (01:21:08):
I didn't see him playing like an MVP in year two.
We were just talking about this during the break. Nobody
could have seen this coming. But the hysteria that was
made when he was coming out about his footwork, like
he wasn't going to work on that for three hundred
and sixty five days out of the year with NFL
coaches and quarterback gurus and all these guys that get

(01:21:28):
these quarterbacks ready to play now, and he wasn't going
to be able to fix his footwork like an athletic,
big athletic kid like that like that, it was just
all of it was just draft fatigue.

Speaker 3 (01:21:41):
The same thing with Will Campbell in his arms, like
it's every year.

Speaker 9 (01:21:44):
Can we do a real talk though, Like honestly, like
after that Raiders game, I was a little shook.

Speaker 7 (01:21:48):
I'm not gonna lie. Week one, I was a little
bit shook, and I know that's a touchdown.

Speaker 6 (01:21:52):
His footwork was a mess, a complete and utter mess,
a ton of touchdown pats. So to see where he
is now compared to then, it's.

Speaker 9 (01:22:01):
Like they reset the they reset things, and it was
like you weren't even thinking about last year. You're just
thinking like, oh my god, like is this not going
to work?

Speaker 6 (01:22:07):
And then I had a little talk with Freddy, you know,
in the the week after the Raiders game, and I
was like, you know, like if we have a whole
season of this. Now, this is one game, so we
were doing the reaction everything, but one game. You have
a whole season of this. Is it off the table
that you're at the end of the year, you're thinking
do we have the right guy? Now you're like, is

(01:22:28):
he going to win the MVP? Is he going to
do what Mahomes did year two? First year is a
starter and win the.

Speaker 2 (01:22:33):
M v P.

Speaker 6 (01:22:34):
That's on the table right.

Speaker 9 (01:22:36):
It's such a perfect example of like, we have a
show to do this week, and that week we talked
about it that we we talked about.

Speaker 5 (01:22:42):
Is he going to get some of these things fixed?

Speaker 2 (01:22:44):
Right?

Speaker 7 (01:22:46):
Like motioning like it's like, what was that first game?

Speaker 5 (01:22:48):
Like, I don't even know is he going to win
the MVP?

Speaker 4 (01:22:51):
I won't go down Josh thinking that that first game
was something weird was going on where they said let's
hold back and let's just kind of run our base
training camp offense, and like there was none none of
the bells and whistles, none of the moving pockets, none
of the motions, none of the split back gun like
none of it.

Speaker 3 (01:23:09):
It was just like traditional, like it was.

Speaker 6 (01:23:12):
They already ran the same offense today that Drake May
would look the same running it as he did that day.

Speaker 2 (01:23:17):
I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:23:17):
So that's the question is like was the did they
need the reps? Like did they need the time?

Speaker 4 (01:23:23):
I think so to develop the offense and that and
that would be a feather in their cap, like they
had showed some more patience. Then That's why I'm sitting
here and there down the hall. But like that, that
whole game like was just like bizarro land compared to
what the offense we're seeing.

Speaker 2 (01:23:38):
Right, no offense and defense, you know, with all the
plitz you know, Uh Sam in North Carolina? What's up? Sam?

Speaker 1 (01:23:50):
Hey?

Speaker 15 (01:23:52):
I told everybody last year I've seen Drake was going
to be a store like you would do things he
made you do, like you could actually score again and
stuff like that. So long like this year he's showing
everybody will work Like nah, he turnover machine this net.

Speaker 14 (01:24:08):
I mean, the guy was pressed, you know.

Speaker 9 (01:24:09):
What I mean.

Speaker 14 (01:24:10):
But I feel like that Steelers game was the perfect
teach tape. It's like you could be this if you
don't beat yourself and turn the bowl of it. Yeah,
and it's just it's worked out perfect. I mean that
little where we're at, what if what if the Stealers
game was the Rams game back in the day, and
they never lose again.

Speaker 2 (01:24:30):
Let its yeah, okay, what if the Steelers game was
like that Rams game in oh one, That Rams game
was later in the season, it was the Rams are.

Speaker 6 (01:24:39):
The best team in football.

Speaker 2 (01:24:40):
The Steelers, yeah, fading mediocre at best, but in terms
of a turning point, well.

Speaker 6 (01:24:45):
In terms of them never losing again, I think it's
in comparison it could be a turning point.

Speaker 5 (01:24:51):
Could they never lose again?

Speaker 2 (01:24:53):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:24:53):
I mean, and they never Fred likes to say fifteen
and two is on the table.

Speaker 9 (01:24:57):
That's true, that's true. Give me the Tampa give me
that Tampa game. Let's see what that looks like.

Speaker 2 (01:25:02):
What's the Falcons? First?

Speaker 6 (01:25:05):
All things about Tampa that I do you think? Do
you think I think Tampa is in trouble right now?
I think they're going the wrong way.

Speaker 4 (01:25:11):
The Baker Mayfield weirdly horrible against man coverage, like one
of the worst quarterbacks in the league against man coverage.

Speaker 5 (01:25:20):
Black horrible the last two weeks period.

Speaker 4 (01:25:22):
And I know a couple of corners in New England
that play pretty good man coverage.

Speaker 2 (01:25:26):
I think reportedly, Well, let's let's hope he stays in
the league. Raheem's in Georgia. What's up, Raheem?

Speaker 11 (01:25:33):
What's up?

Speaker 15 (01:25:34):
Fellows?

Speaker 1 (01:25:35):
Hey? Mark? What about that?

Speaker 11 (01:25:37):
Marches Jovistinton?

Speaker 4 (01:25:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:25:41):
Good, love it.

Speaker 10 (01:25:43):
But in a way, why do the world in the.

Speaker 11 (01:25:46):
Media and everybody keep putting the Bills in the Super Bowl?

Speaker 14 (01:25:49):
Already?

Speaker 2 (01:25:50):
The Bills.

Speaker 6 (01:25:52):
Most in the media have the Bill's window closing. Led
by Fred Kirsh, I've.

Speaker 11 (01:25:56):
Watched the show. They still got the Bill to win it. Chiefs,
Lions and Eagles, and I don't know why they we
don't beat them, and they keep acting like they sent
them do some miracle and in of winning it.

Speaker 2 (01:26:08):
Well, let's face it. I mean, you know, right now,
you'd still have to say the Bills and the Chiefs
have to be favored in the AFC, right because they've
got Josh Allen in Mahomes and the two degree and pedigree. Well,
it's gonna take a little bit of time, but it's growing, Rahiem.

(01:26:29):
A lot of people are now talking about Drake may
as the MVP, and they're penciling in the Patriots for
the playoffs. So it's building. It's building. But I think
that you have to admit the Bills and the Chiefs
have earned the confidence. We're gaining confidence.

Speaker 11 (01:26:46):
Oh no, I guess so.

Speaker 2 (01:26:48):
All right, No, it's all right, you stick with it.
Let's go Patriots and thanks him.

Speaker 6 (01:26:53):
I think it's wide open too, and not just because
of the injuries, although that's a big, big part of it,
but there's there's some struggles that are still going on,
like they're just no one looks to me when I
watch them play, like wow, that is an impressive Like,
I don't know how we're gonna be able to deal

(01:27:13):
with that. Like we're talking about Tampa in two weeks.
Fred gets mad at us because we're dismissing the Jecko
and Hyde Falcons. But the Tampa game, like I watched them,
they just don't look that good to me. They've lost
a million players. You know, Abuca is an excellent young receiver,
but he clearly playing hurt. And you got no Evans,

(01:27:38):
no Godwin, no Irving. You know, I don't know this
by came in a good time for them. Maybe they
get some of these guys back. You know, I don't
think Jalen mcmillens played all year. Has he yeut with
that neck in joy? He still at the neck.

Speaker 5 (01:27:51):
So I just Tampa's good.

Speaker 6 (01:27:56):
I'm not saying that they're not a good team, but
do you look at them like you looked at Philadelphia
last year, or Kansas City last year, or Buffalo last year.

Speaker 2 (01:28:05):
Troit?

Speaker 5 (01:28:05):
Yeah, and this Detroit, thank you. You know, we're maybe
the best at all.

Speaker 9 (01:28:09):
Kind of crossing the halfway point of the season now,
right like week nine, like it's it feels like first
half some teams were good, some teams are bad.

Speaker 7 (01:28:15):
Now it's the time to really prove who you really are.

Speaker 5 (01:28:17):
I think it could change.

Speaker 4 (01:28:18):
That's a good pine like the Chiefs.

Speaker 6 (01:28:22):
Everybody's already doing it with the Chiefs, and I'm not
telling you they're wrong. Yeah, but ever since Worthy came back,
they've been I believe twenty eight is the fewest amount
of points they've scored in the four weeks that they
they've had their compliment of players back, so the days
of them not being able to move the ball seem
like a distant memory. And last night was another night.

(01:28:45):
If Kelsey could catch the ball, they you know, they
might have put up forty. Yeah, like they you know,
they get these interceptions off of passes that go right
to guys hands yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:28:54):
I think you know, the Patriots, the Colts and the
Seahawks are three the better teams in the league on paper,
but they don't have any resume, Like there's no they
haven't proved themselves fully yet. And I don't think anybody
but truly can believe in Daniel Jones. I don't think
anybody is truly ready to believe in Seattle or New England,

(01:29:14):
you know, just because of the youth.

Speaker 6 (01:29:15):
And she just saw it with Donald to last year
where he put together a tremendous season and then when
it mattered most, he felt like he lost the last
game against Detroit, played awful, and then played even worse
against the ROMs in the playoffs.

Speaker 7 (01:29:31):
But City Buffalo this weekend too.

Speaker 3 (01:29:33):
Yeah, like that Colts team is the best team in
the league.

Speaker 4 (01:29:37):
Like they're they're number one in DVA, they're number one
in e PA, They're number one and everything.

Speaker 3 (01:29:42):
But it's Daniel Jones.

Speaker 4 (01:29:44):
It's a roster that doesn't really feel like it's fully
like it's playing over it's it's a huge at one,
you know, if.

Speaker 9 (01:29:51):
They can stay at one and get the bye and
have home field and not have to go outside and stuff,
Like I'm.

Speaker 6 (01:29:55):
Trying to figure out what like their whole defense, Like, yeah,
because they look active on defense, and I know the
guys front. I love the guys up front, you know,
like Buck Bunder and Stewart and those guys. My my
edge rusher that I just discovered in the draft and
then realized he was like the top half of the
first round picked a lot two kid. He looks like

(01:30:15):
he's pretty active. But I don't know how their secondary is.
I don't know what anymore. Still they're playing, they're playing
well the defensively, I don't think they're going.

Speaker 2 (01:30:23):
To go away.

Speaker 6 (01:30:24):
Yeah, well Jonathan Taylor, I mean, and that's that beats
why the offense runs through Taylor, And I don't think
they were asking Jones to do what May's doing for
the Patriots.

Speaker 1 (01:30:32):
I mean.

Speaker 4 (01:30:33):
One of the weirdest coaching decisions in the NFL was
the Bengals firing lou Anarumo and then he's going to
Indie gets hired by the Colts as their defensive coordinator.

Speaker 3 (01:30:43):
Now they have one of the best.

Speaker 4 (01:30:44):
Defenses in football and the Bengals have one of the
worst defenses in football. So Big Lou shout out to him.
He's got the Colts defense playing really really well. But
you know, back to the Patriots, Like another thing I
was thinking about, there's a real chance, you know, they
have that Assistant Coach of the Year award right now.

Speaker 3 (01:31:00):
I didn't has an assistant coach of the year.

Speaker 2 (01:31:02):
How do you figure that.

Speaker 4 (01:31:03):
Ben Johnson won it last year? And now there's a
real chance that if everything keeps going this way, the
Patriots are going to have a nominee for Coach of
the Year, Assistant Coach of the Year, and m v P,
which is just.

Speaker 2 (01:31:17):
The coordinators are considered assistant coaches.

Speaker 4 (01:31:19):
Yeah, so you'd have Rabel McDaniels may all being nominated
and come back Player of the Year anyway, So like
that that tells you, you know, just those three guys
are really what's driving the bus. And the only other
play caller that has it over McDaniels right now is
Shane Stikeen. Like, if those two guys are the two

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best play callers in football, just send the Patriots.

Speaker 2 (01:31:44):
Send the team.

Speaker 7 (01:31:46):
You know, I'm with you, but not the content team.

Speaker 2 (01:31:50):
Who would be right?

Speaker 6 (01:31:51):
Go ahead, you want to get to the phones.

Speaker 2 (01:31:52):
Yeah, let's get to the I have a p U
debate that I'll set up that's time dance in New Jersey.

Speaker 16 (01:31:59):
Hey Dan, I'll be there Sunday. Looking forward to it.
My first May game. I'm doing a little different. I
haven't been there in a couple of years, but I'm
going to spend Sunday night up in Foxboro just wondering, like,
what's the atmosphere like after the game? Obviously good when
you win, but as far as restaurant Patriots Place, what's

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it like?

Speaker 4 (01:32:23):
Oh, yeah, it's happened after the game happen, is it? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:32:27):
I tell you.

Speaker 5 (01:32:28):
That's that's why I'm asking.

Speaker 4 (01:32:29):
I mean, if I make reservations for they usually don't
let you on game days. Oh really, Yeah, reservations are
tough to come by on game day. Okay, well maybe
one I think one place, but I don't want to
name it because I'm not sure, but one of the
restaurants sometimes does on game days.

Speaker 3 (01:32:44):
But for the most part, it's.

Speaker 2 (01:32:45):
They just opened up a new place, a new restaurant
where Skip Jacks used to be. Oh really, it's like
ed Edna's or something like that, or Estella's or speakins
with an E.

Speaker 7 (01:32:56):
Okay, check that out.

Speaker 3 (01:32:57):
And I wish I had more information for you. None
of us have done that.

Speaker 2 (01:33:02):
You get a few pops.

Speaker 7 (01:33:03):
There's a bunch of places.

Speaker 6 (01:33:05):
There's a lot of restaurants in Patriot Place, and I
would imagine you'd be able to get get aboute to
eat in one of them after the game. But we're
all working.

Speaker 2 (01:33:12):
It is a stella stella.

Speaker 9 (01:33:15):
Pick up some ammo at bass Pro, you know, make
it a day fishing camotick at.

Speaker 16 (01:33:23):
Eleven Tommy cutlets hometown. So you'll be in the we'll
be in the building, all right. Of course he probably
will be uh not playing, but that's fine.

Speaker 2 (01:33:33):
Hopefully not sounds good. So are you staying? Are you
staying at one of the hotels here at Patriot Place?
You stay in somewhere.

Speaker 16 (01:33:41):
Else fifteen minutes away?

Speaker 2 (01:33:44):
Okay, all right, Yeah, I would hang out, take your time,
don't be in a rush to leave, and and have
a good time after the game.

Speaker 3 (01:33:54):
Yeah, definitely.

Speaker 4 (01:33:54):
If you're going to do that and you're going to
drive to the game, though, then you gotta go in
the delay lot. You're gonna stay anyways, you might as well.

Speaker 2 (01:34:01):
They'll pay you. Yeah, Hey, you you guy as.

Speaker 6 (01:34:03):
Well go to the Yeah, check out.

Speaker 2 (01:34:05):
The delayed lot. Go to j Lettstadium dot com and
check out the delayed lot.

Speaker 5 (01:34:09):
You can't leave now, you can't leave.

Speaker 2 (01:34:11):
You can't leave sooner than ninety minutes after the game.
I think. But they'll pay you. I think they pay
you like they give you fifty dollars certificate or something
like that. I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:34:21):
You won't receive your money.

Speaker 2 (01:34:23):
I forget, But okay, Dan, have a good time.

Speaker 6 (01:34:26):
But on your deathband you receive.

Speaker 2 (01:34:28):
Yes, total conconsciousness. Uh. Cody's in Cincinnati. What's up, Cody?

Speaker 7 (01:34:34):
Cody?

Speaker 2 (01:34:35):
Hey, guys, I'm going what up?

Speaker 21 (01:34:39):
I'm talking in about last week's discussion for the Commanders. Obviously,
I'm in Cincinnati. Bangles made the Super Bowl in twenty
twenty one. I don't think any of the fans would
have traded that for anything. Obviously, it sucks they got
a later draft stick, but it did so much for
the city and the fans and uh boost and the
fan base. I just don't agree with going all the

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way and not winning for draft picks, that's all.

Speaker 3 (01:35:07):
But that's the Bengals, Cody.

Speaker 2 (01:35:10):
I'm with you.

Speaker 3 (01:35:11):
The Bengals are a much different example than the one.

Speaker 6 (01:35:13):
I'm with you, even though he's on my side.

Speaker 3 (01:35:15):
I like the Bengals went back to the AFC Championship.

Speaker 6 (01:35:19):
Advocates, they bought him out and back to back years.
Got ye, that's like they kind of Evan's posted the
world like you get like, if we could just get
our quarterback out for the season, we might get a.

Speaker 4 (01:35:33):
Tough extreme version the Patriots have done. And this is
where we jumped the shark with this whole thing, because
the Patriots did exactly what I would wanted them to do,
because they played Drake May his rookie season. He got
his feet in the NFL. He showed flashes of promise,
but they.

Speaker 6 (01:35:52):
Still stunk, and so they did exactly what the Bengals did, right.
They got Borrowed at one and then Chase at five.
The Patriots got May at three, and you're at the
fourth pick the next year, right, Yeah. And it took
a tackle because they had to, But yeah, I mean,
it would have been great if Jamar Chase was there again,
if they had one of the receivers from the year before,
maybe maybe the conversation would have been a little different.

Speaker 4 (01:36:14):
But now they have May, they have Campbell, they have
building blocks that they have moving forward, just like the
Bengals have burrow and chase the emails that.

Speaker 2 (01:36:23):
I have a lot of emails, tons of emails. Dan
Whittaker has a public service announcement. This is Dan from
the Patriots Fan Club of Columbus, Ohio. This team is exciting, winning,
his fun, and it's better with other fans. Fans should
go to fanclubs dot Patriots dot com and find their
local registered fan club. That's a good reminder. Go to

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fanclubs dot Patriots dot com and look up in your
area where there's a Patriots fan club and join it
so that you can watch and celebrate the Patriots with
other fans in your area. Well, there you go.

Speaker 7 (01:37:01):
It's the best. It is the best.

Speaker 2 (01:37:02):
Tampa is going to be a big big it is.

Speaker 6 (01:37:05):
And I'm told it is by far the most requested
a visitor for the Patriots tickets.

Speaker 4 (01:37:12):
I thought the stadium was good on Sunday. They thought
there was some some good moments. But I think we
could do better. I think this team's worth it. It's
team's fun to watch. It's not you know, it's not
Paul's thing. They don't win rock fights like they're they're
explosive offense. They're throwing the ball down the field, MVP quarterback.

Speaker 6 (01:37:30):
They play an exciting brand of offense. They do, and
they throw it down the field. They let's make this.

Speaker 5 (01:37:36):
They get to the edges you know in the running
game they'll.

Speaker 6 (01:37:39):
Look at to make big plays.

Speaker 3 (01:37:40):
They do make big plays, and they do.

Speaker 2 (01:37:45):
Longino from New Jersey, He says, you know what grinds
my gears. I see people talking online about how bad
the defense is and how they make these bad quarterbacks
look elite in the beginning of the game, but refuse
to talk about how they make it adjustments in the
second half. No defense is perfect, especially in this league
where it's very offense oriented. Seeing what they did in Buffalo,

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I'm not expecting them to stop elite quarterbacks, but have
enough place to slow them down and give our offense
a chance. What are your thoughts about this? Are we
making too much about the rough early starts and not
enough about how they shut down teams afterwards.

Speaker 5 (01:38:23):
I think a lot has been made out of both
of those.

Speaker 3 (01:38:25):
Yeah, yeah, I think that.

Speaker 4 (01:38:27):
You know, we have numbers now like DVOA that adjusts
for opponent, and when you look at it, they're twenty
eighth in the league right now on defense. In DVA
and there's only one other team in the league that's
that low that's also top ten in scoring defense, and
that's the forty nine ers. So like, it's not typical
that you are that low in terms of your defense

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efficiency but still are a top ten scoring defense and like,
by the numbers of it, the damn should break eventually.
And I think the difference that people are worried about
is when you face the better quarterbacks and the better offenses,
like those are the ones that are gonna make the
damn break. And I think that that's the concern. I

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don't think it's about the starts. I think all that
is that this is who they are, Like they start slow,
and then they make adjustments, and then they play good
defense from that point on. But what happens when you
face a quarterback that hits the throw to Isaiah Bond
and doesn't miss that throw and they make another big play.
What happens when you play a quarterback that can go
four quarters with Drake May instead of two ish?

Speaker 9 (01:39:32):
Yeah, you know, Like I remember having a conversation last year,
and I think I posed the question as like, are
there really any good defenses anymore? Like there's always a
couple and I think we're looking at like this defense
and you want to see perfect stats across the board.
But the conversation I remember having last year wasn't even
about the Patriots, was just, you know, are you looking
to make a defense that can just make that one

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or two key stops. And maybe they're you know, maybe
they do have some general statistical flaws going into the
game that they're not great stop in the run, or
they're not great on down, or they.

Speaker 2 (01:40:00):
Don't you know.

Speaker 9 (01:40:01):
But like there's part of me that has like a
little bit of not confidence, but hope that they have
the pieces to kind of go. And yes, they will
give up some plays, but I'm have growing confidence that
they will make some plays too.

Speaker 6 (01:40:13):
See. I would just look at the way they've played
so far this year. The offense has been responsible for
the defense and stops until Sunday. I thought the defense
for the first game that I thought just me anecdotally.
Don't have any numbers here, but the defense turned the
tide of the game on Sunday. They're the ones that

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went four straight, five straight possessions. I think they allowed
one first down forty five yards, four punts in a
missfield goal, and the missfield goal was after a turnover
that had him in field.

Speaker 5 (01:40:48):
That was a pick three. Yeah, that was a pick three.

Speaker 6 (01:40:50):
They had a turnover that put him in field goal
range and the Patriots shut it down.

Speaker 2 (01:40:54):
There.

Speaker 6 (01:40:55):
I thought the defense more than carried its weight and
particular game, but the whole Like, yeah, is there anybody
that's any good on defense anymore? I would argue and say,
not many. I think, you know, I think there are
a couple, but not many. But it's all relative. You're
twenty eighth. No one else has a good defense either,

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but you're twenty eighth in this particular metric, you know.
So you know, if you go like just strictly points scored,
points allowed, your top five, right right?

Speaker 4 (01:41:25):
Yeah, well, I think that's the reason why you know,
it stands out to me so much with DVA because
you know, all the other stats that we have don't
adjust for opponent. So like their fourth in scoring defense,
there are eleven in EBA, but like all those things
are not opponent adjusted, And then when you throw the
strength to schedule in there, they go from fourth in

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scoring defense to twenty eighth in DVOA and like, by
the math of it, that shouldn't last like some like that,
that shouldn't be sustainable.

Speaker 2 (01:41:55):
It's probably going to get a short circuit. If it does,
it's probably.

Speaker 6 (01:41:59):
Gonna right this regular season because they just don't play
enough of those teams. But it will, you know, will
it show itself against Buffalo the second right? You know, like,
is Buffalo going to turn it over three more times
like they did the first time? What they do, You're
probably gonna win.

Speaker 3 (01:42:14):
Botched handoff or that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:42:17):
Like, you know, a lot of people were confused on
the safety. I got a lot of emails. You know,
I thought I thought you had a punt after a
safety and not. The rule is you get a free
kick freekick, so you can kick it any way you want.
Like I think you could even do a place kick
if you want it.

Speaker 4 (01:42:34):
I don't think you can kick it off the t
placekick you where you snap it and the Cleveland did no, Yeah,
because they declared an on site kick. But if you
just do a straight kickoff, you can kick it off.
It's so why did everybody punt it then?

Speaker 2 (01:42:47):
Because it's better for hangtime, hangtime and probably accuracy.

Speaker 6 (01:42:51):
It's better people punt off a free kick because it's
easier to cover a punt than.

Speaker 2 (01:42:55):
A kick, right right, I guess about it.

Speaker 6 (01:43:00):
I don't know people free kick all something new, but yeah,
share a lot, but it's whatever you want.

Speaker 2 (01:43:06):
Yeah, it's not a punt, not a place kick, it's
a free kick.

Speaker 7 (01:43:09):
So this is all new to me. I like, I've
never even put that, like, oh, it's a free kick,
you can kick.

Speaker 4 (01:43:13):
I just hate the whole You got to declare that
you're doing an on side kick nonsense.

Speaker 2 (01:43:16):
Yeah, I don't like the I don't like the on
side kick rule.

Speaker 4 (01:43:20):
I don't like Well, the only reason why it's that
way is because of the new kickoff rule. Like, I
don't think it's about safety. I think it's about the
fact that from where they're kicking from now, Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:43:30):
I hate that. I think you should be able to
on side kick anytime you want.

Speaker 3 (01:43:34):
Would they be able to do it?

Speaker 6 (01:43:35):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:43:35):
I know the other topic you meet, the kickoff. We
talked about it on the post game show, but you
know we can bring it up here. First time in
twenty four years. The team was announced individually her Riginal Stadium.
A lot of people were excited about it. I guess
the team wanted to do. It is that right players
were about.

Speaker 7 (01:43:54):
Give some players some recognition.

Speaker 2 (01:43:56):
Maybe, but I don't like it. I disagree with it.

Speaker 22 (01:43:59):
I like it.

Speaker 2 (01:44:00):
I like the idea of I like, you know, argue.
I'm not saying like all traditions have to stay and
you can never change anything. But I thought this was
one tradition that I liked. I like that being part
of the Patriots identity. We come out as a team.
And now I guess that's over.

Speaker 5 (01:44:18):
I think it's a breath of fresher.

Speaker 4 (01:44:21):
I think I think I have argued enough with friend
so very much. On the other side of that, we
got fifteen minutes. I got Patriots m VP not named
Drake may Give me some candidates, fine, Patriots m VP
not named Drake may.

Speaker 7 (01:44:39):
Well, Campbell, Ballaine, I don't know. I mean, it's nobody.
I feel like.

Speaker 5 (01:44:47):
I'd say it's Milton Williams.

Speaker 3 (01:44:48):
Find Diggs. Milton Williams, Yeah, probably.

Speaker 6 (01:44:53):
I like Milton Williams and Marcus Jones.

Speaker 2 (01:44:57):
Points matter, scoring touchdowns.

Speaker 6 (01:45:00):
The reason why I brought this up is because there
was a poll. It does last year, I mean last week.
Last night, I saw a poll on Twitter that had
three guys and Diggs was one of them, so I
guess I'll and I'd relent and I'd say Diggs belongs
he was one the other two. I was like, I

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don't really understand, like how Milton Williams is not on
this list and the guys they had were on it.
I mean, who were the guys?

Speaker 5 (01:45:29):
Let me let me see if I can find it
for you, Hope, please.

Speaker 7 (01:45:32):
Like ten minutes to tee it up in our.

Speaker 6 (01:45:36):
I think so Stefan Diggs, Robert s. Blaine, and Kishan
Boody with the three guys on the list. I I
just don't know how Milton Williams and Marcus Jones aren't
on this list. Robert Splaine had three or four sort
of SOSO games. I think he was excellent Sunday, I
think one of his better games. I think he's playing

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better as the weeks go by. But you don't just
ignore half of the games, you know, when you know,
we were like four games into the season wondering if
the linebackers could make any tackles. Now he's making all
those tackles. So I'm not saying that that's persistent. He's
been good, but I'm talking about the best player on
the team not named Drake.

Speaker 7 (01:46:15):
I like Marcus Jones one, I like, I didn't.

Speaker 3 (01:46:18):
Like really the best player on the team not named
Drake may.

Speaker 2 (01:46:21):
I mean we thought it was going to be Gonzales,
and he might eventually by the end of the year,
but not yet.

Speaker 6 (01:46:26):
Just to go by you a strict definition thing, Yeah,
you can make an argument for Gonzales. He missed three games.
How they do in those three games?

Speaker 23 (01:46:34):
Yeah, yeah, I want to that's true. I think I
think you're right on Marcus Jones. Marcus Johnses has been excellent.
I think Barbour and Williams have been excellent. And it's
and it's some of the keys consistently good. I would
have had Harold Landry in consideration until that. Like I'm
talking to off camera, I wonder if whatever happened in
New Orleans is lingering because I think he's been less explosive. Yeah,

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I think I can hear Milton Willia and I would
make an argument for Diggs for as much of what
he's done off the field, off.

Speaker 2 (01:47:04):
The field, but also the cat when he makes his catches.

Speaker 5 (01:47:07):
He's been terrific on the field.

Speaker 6 (01:47:08):
I'm not saying that, but I think he has been
a big part of that maturity of that group.

Speaker 2 (01:47:13):
Yep, yeah, I.

Speaker 3 (01:47:14):
Give it to Diggs.

Speaker 4 (01:47:15):
I think not only off the field, but if you
take that jinga piece out of their offense and now
there's extra attention on Booty, there's extra attention on the
tight ends, there's extra attention on Hollins, like he we
talk so much about the domino effect of having that
number one receiver and even if he doesn't have the
production every single week, like just his presence every single

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time a team comes in to play the Patriots, the
first guy besides Drake May that they talk about is
Stefan Diggs.

Speaker 1 (01:47:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:47:43):
Yeah, they're saying Diggs is the number one. This, you know,
Booty is kind.

Speaker 2 (01:47:47):
Of the fact that we're having this talk and like
we're mentioning all these different names on both sides of
the ball. Does that kind of protect us from injury?

Speaker 9 (01:47:57):
Oh, that's where you're going. I had the same set up.
I only was going to say it just makes me
seem it makes Drake look more valuable. That you can
have all these different guys that you're kind of lukewarm on.
But like my definition of the m VP is the
guy who like kind of carries his team, so I
was different. You set it up the same way. Sorry
for I mean to get there, but but.

Speaker 2 (01:48:14):
Your point is it makes look better. Absolutely it does.
I think this is you don't have great players.

Speaker 4 (01:48:19):
Why Alan won m VP over Lamar last year. This
was absolutely this is the argument was that Lamar had
a better supporting cast. Yeah, Derrick Henry and you know
Josh Allen was making Khalil Shakir and rookie Keon Coleman,
and you know Dalton Kincaid look like the Pro Bowlers
and and those guys.

Speaker 3 (01:48:36):
You know, it's it's a big part of it.

Speaker 4 (01:48:38):
I think the injury thing is just you know, that
part of it makes me even more excited about the
team because, like I think the roster is far from
done and they're still six and two. Yeah, so like
if you go into this and you know, not to
like fast forward, but like if they have one more
really good offseason next year and another good draft class,

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like you're talking about being your like a Detroit Lions
type of thing, where like now the team is really
really good and sustainably good.

Speaker 7 (01:49:09):
Can I ask you guys a question.

Speaker 9 (01:49:10):
This is where my brain's starting to go, is you
know what is the biggest obstacle for the Patriots getting
into in the playoffs, making some noise in the playoffs,
and can they make any attempt to pre you know,
solve that at the trade deadline, Like what's what's going
to prevent that?

Speaker 6 (01:49:27):
I don't know if.

Speaker 7 (01:49:29):
A couple of playoffs.

Speaker 6 (01:49:30):
You know, there's a reason why I think people have
been putting out. They're looking to help the defense because
I do feel if they played a good offense and
now you're in a shootout, because I know how well
makes play. Most of these games, they're in the low twenties,
and I know they're ending up thirty two, but I'm
taking away nine points, like without you know the safety

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and you know you run an interception back inside the five.

Speaker 5 (01:49:59):
Can they in those kinds again?

Speaker 6 (01:50:01):
Again, We're looking at this in a whole different thing, right,
like this is no longer like, well, geez, what are
you nitpicking the wins board. I'm not nitpicking. I'm wondering
can they win a shootout? They haven't really had to
because the other teams don't have any offense. You played
the thirty second and thirty first ranked offense and back
to back weeks. Now you played another terrible offense this week,

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But there's a difference on this one.

Speaker 4 (01:50:24):
They shouldn't.

Speaker 6 (01:50:25):
They shouldn't have one of the worst offenses in football.
They have individual talent that the other teams don't.

Speaker 2 (01:50:30):
We talk about the Falcons.

Speaker 6 (01:50:31):
Yeah, Jean Robinson's a really, really good running back. Yeah,
Drake London is a really good wide receiver. Now they
don't have a lot of weapons. Kyle Pitts.

Speaker 7 (01:50:41):
That's the three. That's the three.

Speaker 4 (01:50:43):
I mean, I think Darnell Mooney Moody as a fourth
option in an offense. I think Darnell Mooney is a
really good player for whatever reason.

Speaker 5 (01:50:52):
I think they're twenty eighth in offense.

Speaker 4 (01:50:55):
Yeah, no, their offense is you know, I don't usually
like to say this, but like it points to coaching
in Atlanta, right, Like their team is way too talented
for them to be three and four in this Jacqueline Hyde.
Like offensively, they if you gave you know, Josh McDaniels,
Bjon Robinson, Drake London, Kyle Pitts, and Darnell Mooney, they'd

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be a top ten offense in football. Like that's just
there's something disconnected there between, Like you can't lose to
that Miami team by thirty or Carolina thirty to nothing
like And it doesn't matter if it's Pennix or Cousins.

Speaker 3 (01:51:28):
It doesn't matter.

Speaker 6 (01:51:29):
Like I mean, this is like it. And I know
everybody's like, oh, they don't. They don't play any better
home than they do on the road. They're just they
can play a great game at home against Buffalo, they
can play a great game on the road against someone else.
They play a terrible game at home against Miami. Like,
I don't have good has anything to do with where
they play. Their defense is better than you people think too.

Speaker 2 (01:51:48):
Chris wants to know what happened on Mapu's only snap?
Was it an illegal pick? He didn't play again on defense?
What did he do wrong? Was he injured?

Speaker 6 (01:51:56):
It was not an illegal pick, but he got caught
in the wall?

Speaker 4 (01:51:58):
H yeah, it was it just a class to cross
or again and ruber out against man coverage. And I
think that this is one of the things you know,
to douce his question about the trade deadline, that they
really don't have anybody to cover the tight end. And
that's why this week, as much as I don't think
Kyle Pitts has lived up to the pick that he
was drafted at. I think he's a talented player that
you know, when you're man to man against him, like,

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he can make you.

Speaker 3 (01:52:21):
Pay in a matchup.

Speaker 4 (01:52:22):
He's got the talent, And I just I don't know
if I was one spot that I would really want
them to upgrade on this team. You know, call it
a linebacker, call it a safety, call whatever you want,
but somebody that allows them to play better man coverage
against tight end, so that they can play man to
man at more of a higher rate than what they're playing.
Because they have three good man coverage players and Davis

(01:52:45):
Gonzo and Marcus Jones, it's the fourth and fifth eligible
receiver that's given them problems, which is usually they're running
back in the tight end.

Speaker 3 (01:52:53):
So how do you fix that?

Speaker 9 (01:52:54):
You notice thinking, I don't know if you agree with me,
but watching this defensive scheme, I feel like if they
found a really special safety, that that guy could absolutely
be the centerpiece of defense, you know, Like it just
seems this scheme is so set up for a safety
who can do it all and rush the quarterback and
play the center. Like I mean, I'd read obviously as

(01:53:15):
a unicorn, but I don't know if they'll find that
kind of guy. But it just seems like this system
would really thrive if you could find one of those
really elite safeties that can do it all.

Speaker 2 (01:53:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:53:24):
I mean, well they had buyered in Tennessee and he did,
you know, so he had great years with Rabel and Tennessee.

Speaker 3 (01:53:29):
But you know, the Titans, I guess are open for business.

Speaker 4 (01:53:33):
It sounds like besides cam Ward and Jeffrey Simmons, and
I'll keep pounding the table. Get Amani Hooker on the Patriots,
like find a you know, a way to get him here.
I think that that would be a big help to
their safetym It's nothing against Hawkins and Woodson. I thought
Hawkins played well in this game, actually, but they need
somebody that allows them to play man go a week
from today.

Speaker 3 (01:53:53):
Yeah, the deadline is the fourth.

Speaker 1 (01:53:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:53:55):
Jalen Phillips, is this like those kind of guys interest
edge guys? I mean it makes sense to me.

Speaker 6 (01:53:59):
I would take an edge guy, and I know what
you guys are saying, just because I think that there's
a potential for availability.

Speaker 2 (01:54:05):
Yeah Hendrickson, Yeah, yeah, yeah for sure.

Speaker 6 (01:54:08):
Yeah. I mean I think if you could, if you
could get a hat could just just win. That could
just win a one on one and just create pressure
on the passive so huge. The whole thing about well,
the front four is kind of inconsistent with the pressure.
It's so much from the middle with Williams and Barb Wore.
They win theirs with the bull rushes and whatnot. But
you get an athletic.

Speaker 2 (01:54:28):
Because you're real.

Speaker 7 (01:54:30):
You need that consistent fresh pass rush rotation going.

Speaker 4 (01:54:33):
Oh yeah, they are playing the clean up. They're playing
those two guys a lot, Chase On and Landry. So
if you could find a third guy that you can
rely on, even if it's not Trey Hendrickson, even if
it's just someone that is a reliable player kind of
in the same ilk as Landry and Chase On, that
could just take some of the pressure off. Because they

(01:54:56):
let Anthony Jennings play a little bit in this game
and he was okay, And I.

Speaker 7 (01:54:59):
Was thinking of about that a little bit.

Speaker 9 (01:55:00):
Like to me, I could see Jennings getting traded just
because at least he has a thing like with key
On White, I don't I don't know what.

Speaker 7 (01:55:06):
His thing is.

Speaker 9 (01:55:07):
He's not different defenses, but you know, with somebody, are
people going to trade for that, Like, is any team
going to look at him and be like, oh, he's
the perfect fit for a defense.

Speaker 4 (01:55:14):
Like if you're a team that has like big run
stuffing defensive tackles and you need a third down into
your pass rusher where he's only going to play over
the guard in passing situations, then I could see Kean
White having a role. He just with Williams and Barmore,
that role doesn't exist here. So right now he's like
a backup to Milton Williams. Is essentially his role on

(01:55:35):
this team. So when Milton Williams is healthy, there's no
snaps for him. So that's why he's inactive. But if
you're a team like that that has you know, big
run stuffers that play first and second.

Speaker 2 (01:55:46):
Down, but you need to Yeah, you need to change up,
all right, that's gonna be it got things to do.

Speaker 6 (01:55:51):
Oh why do you always short change?

Speaker 2 (01:55:53):
We have Wednesday and we have Thursday, and we have
catch twenty two tomorrow at ten. Correct, i's barth doing.
I always like to do a wellness check on him.

Speaker 4 (01:56:02):
He's doing good, Yeah, doing great. Changed up his Sunday
schedule a little bit, so he was very you know.

Speaker 2 (01:56:10):
He's always a take guy. What's his? What's his? This
week's take for him?

Speaker 6 (01:56:15):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:56:16):
Tomorrow find out Takeaway.

Speaker 5 (01:56:19):
Is not happy with the fifteen yard punt by Barringer.

Speaker 4 (01:56:22):
I'm sure that made him out right. This was one
of the rare games that we didn't talk a ton
after the game, so we didn't have our debriefs.

Speaker 2 (01:56:31):
Oh wow, he didn't meet up.

Speaker 4 (01:56:34):
No, No, he had to do the the sports Hub podcast. Yeah, right,
he had to do the Sports Hub podcast. So that
was he had to run out on Sunday, so we didn't. Usually,
you know, we try to time it up and sometimes
we walked to our cars together.

Speaker 7 (01:56:50):
We do by the Brady statue and have a little
you know, just we could do that too.

Speaker 6 (01:56:55):
It's Mike and I. We have our little debrief walking.

Speaker 5 (01:56:58):
It's a post game show debrief usually shivering.

Speaker 4 (01:57:00):
You guys do the debrief on the post game show.
Then you debrief for real because you tell your real feelings.

Speaker 2 (01:57:07):
Yep, exactly.

Speaker 6 (01:57:09):
They've been one and the same with these games.

Speaker 2 (01:57:11):
Thanks for being here today. We'll see you tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (01:57:16):
Hey, this is Alex. Thanks for tuning into the show.

Speaker 2 (01:57:18):
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Speaker 22 (01:57:19):
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