Patriots Unfiltered 10/29: Falcons Preview, Vrabel Presser and Reaction, Overnight Trades and Potential Moves

Tune-in as the PU Crew turns the Page to Week 9 against the Atlanta Falcons. We preview key matchups, players and schemes to watch. We watch and react to Head Coach Mike Vrabel's presser as he discusses the unique challenges the Falcons present with Bijan Robinson and company. Plus, We react to the Pats overnight trades and why them moving so far ahead of the trade deadline could hint to something bigger.

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Speaker 1 (00:05):
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Speaker 2 (00:23):
Patriots talking like everybody else, talk the ball for a
Talk of the Town.

Speaker 3 (00:27):
I don't like it.

Speaker 1 (00:27):
You don't like the attention now, No, I just don't
like that.

Speaker 3 (00:30):
All these people are telling me that Drake May needed
to sit for three years and now is the MVP
of the league.

Speaker 1 (00:35):
Talk of the Town.

Speaker 3 (00:36):
Stay on that side, Dane Orlovsky, Oh wow, you know,
I'll name names.

Speaker 1 (00:41):
His footwork.

Speaker 4 (00:41):
It just wasn't good.

Speaker 3 (00:43):
Bill, Well we're now, Oh yeah, where's that one?

Speaker 2 (00:47):
Coach killer?

Speaker 3 (00:47):
Yeah, coach killer, MVP of the league.

Speaker 4 (00:50):
Yeah, we can kill you.

Speaker 1 (00:51):
Yeah, so will.

Speaker 2 (00:53):
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about it.

Speaker 1 (00:57):
Be pissed. No, thank you Friz for this con where Keith.

Speaker 4 (01:00):
But I didn't expect it to look like this. I
thought they could win games.

Speaker 3 (01:04):
Or reformation ending the games in the third quarter. If
we make this a nine point game, it's it's over.
Like they're not scoring seventeen against US buff But it's Josa,
one of the ogs.

Speaker 2 (01:18):
He's an oh you think he's an og pype? Four guys,
how's Barth doing? I always like to do a wellness
check on him.

Speaker 4 (01:24):
This was one of the.

Speaker 3 (01:25):
Rare games that we didn't talk a ton after the game.

Speaker 4 (01:29):
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Speaker 2 (01:39):
All right, welcome the Patriots Unfiltered. It is Wednesday here
at Gillette Stadium, and uh it's Evan Paul Duce Fred
Alex in the booth and we'll get right to the
news that broke last night. I mean not huge uh
you know, Luka Doncic type news. But there were some
trades this a week before the trade deadline, a couple

(02:02):
of trades, so who wants to im part on what
the details were?

Speaker 6 (02:08):
Was the first one to drop to San Francisco along
with a seventh round pick, and they got a sixth
round pick back. And then Kyle Duggart Pittsburgh, he just
got six rounds.

Speaker 4 (02:19):
No same thing.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
So the seven I heard, I heard if Keon actually
plays a certain amount, they don't have to give the seventh.

Speaker 3 (02:28):
That's accurate. That's accurate. Seven games with San Francisco, they
would not.

Speaker 1 (02:33):
I mean, not that it matters.

Speaker 2 (02:35):
Yeah, but so so let's talk about this because you
know two players who at the beginning of the year
you would say, Okay, they'll be part of the you know,
the team this year, maybe less so dugger, but we have.

Speaker 4 (02:48):
It depended on when you thought that. I would have
thought that the whole off season, but not the last
two weeks of training came right, but once once it happened.

Speaker 2 (02:57):
With ke On White, we had hopes that he'd find
a role.

Speaker 7 (03:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (03:00):
I think Evan nailed it. Yesterday I brought up saying,
you know, who would trade for ke On White? What's
the need? And in reading some of the analysis of
San Francisco, they love undersized interior pass rushers, and that's
what he is. I think that's what they need. So
they'll probably give him a chance to do that and
you know, sub package roll. It won't be an every
down roll. But I think the writing has been on

(03:20):
the wall with both these guys since the summer and
could tell that they were trying with key On White
to figure out if you could possibly find a role,
not so much as a defensive end, but you know,
the sizes are just despared. You know, it's pretty big
disparity with key on White Way and two eighty five
between what you see with Chase On and Harold Landry.
And I mean I even look at Harold Landry really

(03:41):
is the prototype for this system of you know, ideally
what I think they'd like. I think maybe Chason's a
little lighter than maybe they like. Maybe I'm wrong on that,
but but I think that makes sense for San Francisco
to grab that kind of guy. He's just I mean, look,
I there was some hype on Key on White a
couple of summers ago, and you know.

Speaker 1 (03:57):
How to take you nailed that. I but I just
I never warmed up to him in terms of what
does he do? Like, how can he.

Speaker 2 (04:04):
Well that was the thing coming out of college. It's like,
what really would his role be in the pros because
even in college he wasn't a big sack guy. He
wasn't known as a big run stuffer.

Speaker 1 (04:15):
But he had these traits classic tweener, yeah, and athletic.
I mean, he was a you know, former tight end.

Speaker 6 (04:21):
But to me, he was just always so stiff, you know,
always so stiff, And I think that hurts you on
the edge, you don't get as much, bend, you don't
get as much you know, drop and dip under guys.
It's more just he's going to try to run through
an mfor's face and if that you know, that's that's
his style, right, Like that's just what he wants to do.
He wants to I mean, he's got a Hall of
Fame face and he wants to run right through somebody.

(04:42):
Uh So maybe he'll find some success with the forty
nine ers.

Speaker 1 (04:44):
It's just he could tell that it wasn't gonna click quick.

Speaker 2 (04:46):
And I think the Dugger one was well, I think
it was role, but I think a lot of it
was money too. With Dugger. Yeah where okay, well we'll
we'll spend that money.

Speaker 4 (04:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (04:59):
Well, they ripped the last two years of the contract,
so they get out of paying him next year and
in twenty twenty seven. So you know, as Paul I
used to say, it's about the cash, not the cap
in that situation. But now you have that money next
off season to give Kyle Duggars ten million dollars to
somebody else, and that does factor induce I think you

(05:19):
nailed it on Keon White. I we talked a little
bit about this on catch twenty two, Like, the archetype
of the type of player that they want out on
the edge is six two six three two fifty two
fifty five. That is not Keon White. That's not his
body type, that's not his build. So as we move
forward here, you know, that's the type of player they're

(05:40):
looking for. You know, they want bend, they want explosiveness
off the ball, they want a little bit lighter, a
little yeah, like Landry Chase on Like, that's their archetype,
that's their mold at that position. So when you're looking
for possible trade candidates now, when you're looking in the
off season at the draft, like, that's that's the you know,
the frame that they're looking for at edge rusher, and

(06:03):
he just never fit. He never fit that type. Now
I have a little disappointed. I thought Mike Rabel and
Trell Williams might be able to work with him right
and develop some of his skills inside and maybe make
him a little bit more well rounded and get more
out of him. He was one of the few guys
that I was looking forward to seeing, you know, this
good defensive line coaching staff, Like could they develop him

(06:26):
and they just they couldn't. It just didn't stick.

Speaker 2 (06:28):
Do you think Pardo also is that in the meantime,
Keon White wasn't showing any patience, Like.

Speaker 6 (06:36):
I mean, he's I feel like he was a guy
who talked last year a little bit about frustrations, and
I mean, he clearly wears his emotions on his face,
like you could just tell when he's unhappy. But I know,
I don't want to kick anybody in the way. I
just I think both those guys are kind of quiet.
And there was to me at least an element of
previous guys who had bigger roles in the past regime,

(06:58):
and they aren't quite fit on the field, and it's
hard to make them fit off the field too and
make them feel part of it. And you know, to
take a guy like Kyle Dugger who was a captain
and a guy who got extended and for all you
know from last year everything, we saw a guy that
was going to be here and be part of the
future for.

Speaker 1 (07:15):
A long time. And you could see right out of
the gate this summer that something's up.

Speaker 8 (07:20):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (07:20):
And what I what I thought was interesting too, was
just that Pittsburgh had already acquired Peppers like Jabal Pepper's
kind of just playing special teams for them right now.
But now they have Peppers and dugger two guys that
played significant roles for this team in the past. So
I think they've been trying to maybe move that guy
for a while. Seems like everything you read in the
tea leaves or you know, Adam Schefter saying Kyle Duggar
is going to get moved, so it.

Speaker 1 (07:43):
Felt like a matter of time.

Speaker 4 (07:44):
But yeah, and the Steelers lost a guy too, is
it Elliott? Deshaun elliotts to I R. So they you know,
they're hurting on the back end, so it makes some
sense for them. But I agree with Mike and Evan.
It's just that they based on what they wanted to
do and how they want to play. They they weren't
great fits. I do think the money was a big

(08:04):
factor for for Douger. I think he would have been
perfectly suitable as a third safety if the price was
was more palatable. Obviously they felt it wasn't because he
did have a role. When you saw some health issues
with Jalen Hawkins. Uh, you know, you know what, New Orleans.
The New Orleans Games started twice yeah, so New Orlens

(08:27):
and Tennessee. Yeah, well, I mean yeah, like but regular
playing like he played in those games, like he earlier
in the year. He was like starting and playing like
one snap.

Speaker 3 (08:36):
Oh yeah, he started right in the Orleans game, Well
he started, but he's he was.

Speaker 4 (08:41):
Yeah, and he played and he was out there. So
they went out and they signed a safety from Miami
off the practice squad, John Saunders Junior, not to be
confused with John correct from ESPN.

Speaker 1 (08:55):
It is a crazy ip sort of.

Speaker 3 (08:58):
You know, Dugger goes from one snap in Buffalo in
week five to two weeks in a row playing one
hundred percent of the snaps and being a full time
starter in New Orleans and Tennessee to trade it. Yeah, Like,
so I'm with Paul like that. There was a role
for him as like the third safety in depth for
Hawkins and Woodson. Now they're paying most of his salary
this year anyways, So it's not a money thing in

(09:22):
twenty five. It's a money thing in twenty six and
twenty seven because he had two more years left on
that extension for big money, and now those years come
off the books and they don't have to pay him
for those two seasons, So this was about getting out
of the contract as much as it was anything else.

Speaker 6 (09:37):
Good point though, too, because I wondered if getting an
opportunity to play a little bit, maybe that would have said, hey,
he's closer than we think.

Speaker 1 (09:44):
Where we've got injury issues here. He's good insurance.

Speaker 6 (09:47):
But it doesn't seem like anything he did in the
games was enough to make them think let's keep them around.

Speaker 2 (09:51):
So do you think that this says anything about, you know,
being buyers for the next week.

Speaker 1 (09:59):
I hope so. And we talked about it.

Speaker 6 (10:00):
They I mean, they signed Saunders junior. They still have
an open spot, but Mike Rabel intimated that it looks
like Terrell Jennings might get that spot. So it doesn't
seem on paper at this particular moment that they have
an open spot. But you know, based on what we
said yesterday, I think I think you gotta be right.
I mean, you think there's an opportunity. I'd me too,

(10:21):
me too, especially on the defensive side of the ball.
I mean, honestly, I think they need to add a
running back. I don't, and I feel like they're with,
you know, signing two more practice squad running backs as
well that maybe they're not going to go into the
veteran route. Maybe they are going to just kind of
stick with Terrell Jennings and hope that Remandre and Henderson
can make it through the season.

Speaker 1 (10:40):
But defensively, I think there's an opportunity.

Speaker 4 (10:42):
I'm going to catch edge rusher.

Speaker 1 (10:44):
That's where I start.

Speaker 3 (10:46):
Yeah, yeah, I think that you know, doing this a
week early tells me that they're trying to do this
to free up whatever they needed to free up to
do something a week from now. So I don't know
what exactly will happen, but if they traded Dugger and
Keon White on the fourth, then it's kind of too
late to then pivot to something else. So it seems

(11:07):
to me like this was like a preemptive strike because
they might have something brewing to make, you know, an
acquisition to buy, you know, by the time the deadline
rolls around. Otherwise, why I do it a week early?

Speaker 4 (11:20):
Like why not?

Speaker 3 (11:20):
You know they would have Dugger to play in the
game on Sunday, and you know, it just it seems
like it would.

Speaker 4 (11:25):
That was also part of it, Like it was pretty
clear that they wanted to trade Keon White and that
had to at least been part of the reason why
he was a healthy scratch. Yeah Sunday, now, dugger, it
was also a scratch. But he maybe got hurt and
practice on Thursday. Maybe he wasn't able to go. But
I wondered even that. Yeah, I agree, Fred, That's why

(11:45):
I bring it up. Yeah, you know, I have no
doubt that something happened to him on Thursday. But whatever
the something was, was that enough to keep him out
of the game, or did they have these kinds of
plans in mind.

Speaker 6 (11:55):
I think it also just puts a period on the
safety position, and you know what we thought coming in,
And maybe it's oversimplifying it, but I almost feel like
the previous system wanted a bunch of strong safeties.

Speaker 1 (12:06):
And they want a bunch of free safeties.

Speaker 6 (12:07):
And it might just be as simple as that Sounders
Junior more in that mold guy who can run, who
can play free safety. But to reiterate the point ament yesterday,
I just think that position is such a huge opportunity
for the right player to really be all over the place.
I mean, I was just looking at Jalen Hawkins stats.
He's only played like six games, but like you know,
he's getting rushing the passer, he's getting hands on balls.

Speaker 1 (12:30):
I mean, he's got you know.

Speaker 6 (12:31):
Just production across the board, which you know, and it
limited sample size. I don't know if he's going to
continue to be that kind of player, but I just
think the way they play these safeties, they have an
opportunity to make plays at all levels of the field,
and if you get a guy who's really smart, they
just a huge playmaking opportunity.

Speaker 3 (12:47):
Their seaball get ball defense at safety. He's a seventh
raded safety in PFF grade right now, Jalen Hawkins, which.

Speaker 1 (12:53):
For whatever, it's six games, yeah you know.

Speaker 3 (12:55):
But I mean it's all they've only played eight, like
you know, I mean they I don't think he's a
top ten safety in the league. But the point being
is that he has had production. What's the point he's
had production.

Speaker 2 (13:06):
While he's I know, but like you know, if we
all know that he's not really ranked in the top
ten in terms of safeties, like like why why are
these PFF grades like worth talking about?

Speaker 3 (13:22):
Because I think PFF grades to me are pass fail
So like if guys are above average and they're grading
usually that means that those guys are having decent seasons.
The guys that are in the red and their grading
are the guys that you circle on Tuesday and say
where's Waldo? Right, Like we're gonna put Milton Williams over

(13:43):
this left guard because he stinks, right, like that sort
of thing. So I don't think Jalen Hawkins is the
seventh graded safety in the league or top ten safety
in the NFL. But I think he's having a decent season.
I think he's an average player at his position right now.
You know, once they kind of figured out that he's
not going to cover rock Burs and they kind of
moved him away from covering tight ends one on one,

(14:06):
I think he's been been better. He was good in
this pass game against Cleveland, So you know, I don't
think that it's like indicative that he's you know, it's
you know, Kyle Hamilton and Jalen Hawkins, like no one's saying.

Speaker 2 (14:20):
I just feel like every time we bring up PFF,
we have to explain the rating, like there's always context
to it.

Speaker 3 (14:26):
That I was just piggybacking off of du because he
was talking about his production. PFF grades off production. They're
grading you know, pass defense interceptions tackles, run stuffs like
that's what inflates your grade. So if your guy like
Deuce was saying about Hawkins, that's blogging those types of
things at a decent clip, then you're going to have

(14:46):
a good grade.

Speaker 6 (14:47):
Yeah, I mean six games, two interceptions, you know, two
passes defense, I don't that's the same. But a fumble recovery,
a sack and a half, you know, twenty eight solo tackles,
two tackles for loss too, QP hits.

Speaker 1 (14:58):
I don't know if those are the sacks, but.

Speaker 6 (14:59):
Just I think it's more just to illustrate not the player,
I know, but the opportunity to do it of what
you're playing.

Speaker 1 (15:04):
And I look and give him some credit.

Speaker 6 (15:06):
He's you know, he's he's around the body.

Speaker 2 (15:09):
I mean, you get picked a lot.

Speaker 1 (15:12):
As a safety.

Speaker 3 (15:13):
As a safety, does it feel like you Yes, I
don't know.

Speaker 7 (15:17):
I don't know. They don't.

Speaker 2 (15:18):
They don't you said yesterday, they don't. They stay away
from Davis and Gonzo. They got to be thrown to somebody.

Speaker 4 (15:23):
Yeah, they are.

Speaker 3 (15:24):
And you know, I think with Hawkins, like, to me,
the biggest part about Hawkins game that impresses me is
just his ability to play as like a roamer and
a defense when he is free to just kind of
play over the top or he's free to you know,
being you know, the run game, like attack the line
of scrimmage. When he's asked to cover a guy one

(15:45):
on one, he's not good at it. Like we can
all say that, you know, every time they put him
on a tight end one on one. You know, last
week they tried Marte Mapu on Harold Fan and he
played one snap game up nineteen yard creation on third
down and.

Speaker 4 (15:57):
Never saw the field again.

Speaker 3 (15:58):
So like they have an issue there with covering tight ends.
But I think in general, Hawkins has been all right,
and I think Woodson has flashes for a rookie.

Speaker 6 (16:07):
Yeah, Woodson hasn't had the production like that those numbers,
Like he hasn't had the interceptions or this sex. So
but when you look at where they're lining up, like
it's pretty balanced, like they both are like back and forward.

Speaker 1 (16:19):
And you know, all over the place.

Speaker 6 (16:21):
So I mean the bigger point to me is just
opportunity in this system to really, like you know, what's
the kid from downs from you, ohigo State.

Speaker 1 (16:28):
I'm not saying they're going to make.

Speaker 3 (16:29):
That pick, but like trade up to the top five.

Speaker 6 (16:33):
That kind of player in this system feels like it
would be a really a home run kind of a
hit that can affect everything.

Speaker 1 (16:38):
Whereas you know.

Speaker 6 (16:39):
We talk Devin mccordy didn't make a lot of plays
that you know, he's great free safety, but in that system,
his job was kind of make sure everything's good, don't
get beat over the top instead of we're going to
send you have the quarterback on this blitz and then
you're going to be dropping you know, all the different
things that you know could put him in the position
to get those numbers, you know, and.

Speaker 4 (16:57):
They play a lot of his own.

Speaker 3 (16:59):
So like this defense, you know, the old defense, they're
playing so much man to man like in this defense,
they're playing a lot of Diskui zone in particular, where
you know, it's one to two high two to one
like and so like, they keep on mixing it up
on the back end. So having two guys like Woodson
and Hawkins who are kind of interchangeable in the way
they play the deep part of the field allows them
to do a lot of the disguise zone coverage that

(17:19):
they're running. You know, I have some I don't know
how great it. It's been you know, like twenty eighth
and dv A against the past. But that's the system
and so that's the type of safety that they're looking for.

Speaker 2 (17:29):
All right, Well, Wednesday is turn the page day, so
we're going to turn the page of the bucket? Is
Oh no? I mean that the Falcons you're looking ahead
for it?

Speaker 1 (17:37):
Wow, it's just a joke.

Speaker 2 (17:40):
Just listen to the We all know the Falcons have
a lot of talent on the roster, and but they're
hot and cold and it depends on Halloween.

Speaker 4 (17:49):
It's the perfect time to play the most trick or
treat team that you're.

Speaker 2 (17:54):
Right, So which which costume are they going to be
wearing this Sunday. If they're wearing the good costume, it
could be a tough, tough game for the start with.
And that's what you have to assume.

Speaker 1 (18:04):
Start with Penis in London. You know, what's their status
going to be today?

Speaker 4 (18:07):
Sounds like it's trending, sounds like they're getting a lot
of players back.

Speaker 6 (18:11):
So I you know, I I welcome that. I want
to see you know, I want to see Penis. I
want to see their best I want to see Drake London,
who I think is you know, I wasn't really not.
He's not usually my kind of receiver. Those are kind
of the ones that but I think he's shown enough
wiggle and athleticism kind of like Tet that you see
how he can be a complimentary piece. But they have
some good pieces to challenge the Patriots in the passing game.

(18:33):
I think, uh, you know, especially with Pennix, who you know,
I just I haven't. I've seen it in spurts of
him throwing the ball down the field, but that's to
me when when we were watching him coming out of college,
was just you know, the person and all that.

Speaker 4 (18:47):
Right, if if Panix plays well, then it's going to
make the the personnel look like it is. It's better.
He hasn't consistently been able to play well. He's shown flashes.
He's not completely without talent, but he hasn't been consistent.
He seems to me like just slow getting rid of
the ball, kind of a doesn't move great, and he's
had those knee injuries. I don't think he has a

(19:08):
ton of mobility. No one's going to confuse him with
Drake may on Sunday, you know, buying time and moving
around and picking up first downs, a lot of first
downs with his legs, but he can throw, and you know,
if he gets in a rhythm and he gets hot,
and then you get b Jon Robinson rolling, It's an
offense that can stretch you. They haven't done it consistently,
and you can.

Speaker 3 (19:28):
Just I mean, they're twenty eighth in the league in scoring.

Speaker 4 (19:30):
Absolutely, they're down the bottom and everything. But even if
you just look at him, it's like thirty four twenty four,
and then they follow it up with ten and ten
like so there's just no consistency with with what they're
doing offensively. The numbers Evan just set them. They're they're
right down there with Tennessee in Cleveland. I mean, they're
only a couple of notches above those two teams that

(19:51):
you just saw. Now, I would say, what's holding them back?
Personnel wise?

Speaker 1 (19:55):
Scheme?

Speaker 4 (19:56):
Personnel wise. This is a much better team than than
those teams. Yeah, yeah, but they're getting they have a chance.
They get a lot of guys back to They had
four starters missing on defense when the game ended the
other day, and Raheem Morris said on Monday that he
thinks it's he had some pretty good optimism. Zach Harrison,
Jalen Walker, Billy Bowman, and Jesse Bates who got hurt

(20:20):
in the Miami game. The other three didn't play at
all in the game. They think there's a chance that
all of those guys will be back, as well as
London and Penix will have a chance. So if they
get those guys back personnel wise, I think it's a
bigger challenge than what you've seen in the last month.

Speaker 6 (20:34):
They have some good, you know, passing statistic numbers for
their defense that you know, maybe points to some more
challenges for the Patriots passing attack and maybe some opportunities
to continue to get the running game going for the Patriots,
you know, try to you know, maybe that maybe they
lean a little more to the run this week. I
don't know, but you know, I think it's it's weird
because Atlanta they don't have a lot of household names

(20:54):
on their defense. There's not like really a superstar talent
to really point to. There's some solid players, you know,
Christian Ellis's brother plays a ton as one of their
linebackers with Diablo, But it's like you look at so
that's what's hard with me. As you look at this,
it's like usually circle the big players and now it's

(21:14):
like they you know, it seems like the offense they
play well in spurts and they're pretty good against the past,
but I don't think they've allowed a three hundred yard
passer yet.

Speaker 3 (21:22):
Having a lot of two hundred yards. Yeah, they their
pass defense is legitimate. Like their defense in general is
really good. And you know, they they kind of run
like the new version of the Seattle three, so it's
a lot of zone coverage, you know, cover three quarters,
but on a third down they they have like this
pressure package that's like Brian Flores esque that they run

(21:42):
on third down that I did not see coming and
I was like.

Speaker 1 (21:45):
Whoa, Like where's the tie here?

Speaker 3 (21:47):
Like, you know, they're running a lot of like fire
zones and zone pressure and things like that, and do teams.

Speaker 2 (21:56):
Do teams uh not pass well against them because they
they can run or.

Speaker 3 (22:03):
I think there's an argument to be made that the
yards are being held down by game script, whether it's
running the football or short fields or whatever the case
may be. But they're really good in all the opponent
adjusted stuff too, Like you know, DVOA and things like
that have them you know, pretty high as well. In
pass not first in the league, not best in the league,
but still top ten in the NFL. So their run

(22:27):
defenses has been weak, and they've specifically struggled a lot
against gap schemes, you know, schemes with pollers and downhill
runs and things like that. And that's Josh mcdaniels's bread
and butter, like if you can't stop you know, power
and full backs and things like that. Like Josh McDaniels
has got plenty of that in his bag. So if

(22:48):
I was the Patriots, I would think that that's where
they start, is trying to run the ball to start
this game, and then maybe you can get some of
the play action passes to open them up a little
bit because they they don't give up very many explosives
on defense. They're second in the league and explosive play
rate on defense. So this is a true strength on strength,
like number one pass defense, number two in explosive play

(23:11):
rate against one of the most explosive passing offenses in football.
With Drake May kind of.

Speaker 6 (23:15):
Like you have to go into the minutia a little bit.
It's not like you can just say Miles Garrett. They've
got Miles Garrett and we just talked about Miles Garet,
Miles Garrett, but it is a it is a good
matchup that, like Evan said, I think we'll test some
of what we've seen from the Patriots.

Speaker 7 (23:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (23:26):
And I will say and this is just anecdotal because
I don't break down the tape as you guys know,
like the way Evan and Mike do. But with Jeff
Albrick as their defensive coordinator, and you guys remember him
from the Jets, yep, you know, he was the interim
guy who took over, but he was a defensive coordinator
with New York and one of the things that the
Jets did really well was defend Josh Allen. You know what,

(23:49):
Buffalo had some some like kind of slogs against the Jets.
They always beat them, The Bills would always find a
way to win the game, but they had some slogs
against this defense. And then a couple of weeks ago
on a Monday Night, that's as bad as I've seen
Buffalo's offense look all year in that Monday night game.
So I kind of I'm not telling you that scheme.

(24:09):
I'm telling you this is a scheme similarity, but there's
a style similarity with May and Allen. He wants to
get the ball, you know, out of you know, not
necessarily one guy, but it's going to spread it around.
He's going to use his legs, he's going to buy time.
Albrick has had some success with that, so it might
be something to keep an eye on.

Speaker 3 (24:26):
Yeah, he's running the you know that that was Robert
Sola's defense in New York and that's his mentor, that's
you know, the guy that taught Ulbrick a lot of
this stuff. And it's the same system. It's the same
system they're running with the Jets, same system Solos running
with San Francisco on their defense right now as well
offensively for the Falcons. I did a little bit of
a rant on this at the end of Catch twenty two.

(24:49):
Their offense pisses me off, frankly, because when you have
that much talent on offense and you're twenty eighth in
the league and scoring, that is a coaching issue.

Speaker 2 (25:00):
That is a quarterback issue.

Speaker 3 (25:02):
It's it's coaching like you don't have Bijon Robinson, Drake London,
Kyle Pitts, Darnell Mooney, a decent offensive line and score
seventeen points a game like that that doesn't the bat
doesn't Matt there. They motion a ton. I think all
of the motion, the pistol. They run a ton of
pistol formation. It's like all this like fancy cool stuff

(25:24):
that they do, and then you snap the ball and
it's just vanilla like. They run the same stuff. They
don't threaten the middle of the field, which is a
big reason why they struggle against man coverage like this,
this scheme.

Speaker 4 (25:38):
I like Zach Robinson.

Speaker 3 (25:39):
I think he does some creative things with Bijon, especially
he's he's losing me. He's on the outside right now.

Speaker 6 (25:47):
But do you think that they have enough to scheme
up the Patriots defense on the first two drives?

Speaker 3 (25:51):
Again, they have enough to be a good offense, like
this should be a much better, much better offense than
it is. I think the biggest issue that they have
with the quarterback is that he's not mobile, which kills
them because all the pistol stuff that they're doing is
kind of watered down because they don't have a mobile quarterback.

Speaker 9 (26:12):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (26:12):
And then he doesn't throw the middle of the field,
so Pennix only wants to throw verticals, and he wants
to throw outside the numbers, it's all. That's the only
thing that he does. He's last in the league. And
the percentage of passes that travel into the middle of
the field. And when you pay teams that play a
lot of man coverage against you crossers, slants in breaking routes, like,

(26:36):
that's how you beat man coverage. And if your quarterback
isn't willing to read the middle of the field out
and throw the ball there, then you're just throwing iceo
go balls on the outside against man to man, and
that's how you have a You know, those are fifty
to fifty propositions in the NFL.

Speaker 6 (26:51):
For the Patriots too, I'd say, like, yeah, you know,
you want to target the middle of the field. You
want to target the linebackers and the safeties on the
cornerback or the tight ends and the bringbacks too.

Speaker 3 (26:59):
Yeah, so they are they're dead last in the league
a EPA against man coverage.

Speaker 1 (27:03):
So the worst offense in the league against We're going
back to man this week, huh and like.

Speaker 3 (27:07):
By quite a bit. Like it's a pretty big gap
between them and the next team.

Speaker 2 (27:12):
Eddie and La writes and Deduce just call London a
complimentary piece. Brother that is a wide receiver one learn
ball deuce. Aha jokes aside, I'm very excited to see
Gonzo or Davis manned up on London, so hopefully he
suits up complimentary.

Speaker 6 (27:29):
I didn't mean to call him a commeminary piece, but
I just I said generally, I don't like those kind
of receivers get sold to me a lot.

Speaker 1 (27:36):
In the draft, and I just don't like them. I
don't gravitate towards them.

Speaker 6 (27:39):
And I get that he's one of the few that's
very athletic and has the size, but like I like
guys with some explosion who can you know, I don't
like separators, like separators, you know, I like the guys
that you know, I love a J.

Speaker 7 (27:51):
Brown.

Speaker 6 (27:51):
You know, I just love physical shorter receipt not shorter.
I don't want to say that, but you know, the
tall former basketball players who can jump up and make
can tested catches, they don't usually flip vote.

Speaker 3 (28:02):
He's a good player, but like he's a really good player.
But if you look at his metrics, like he fits
this whole thing of like he's a zone beating receiver,
Like he's gonna find the soft spots, he's gonna run
the seams. He's gonna find those areas of the zone coverages.
But his separation numbers now, he's a contested catch guy,
so like you have to throw him back shoulders, and

(28:24):
you have to throw him high points, and you have
to throw him open, but his separation numbers against man
coverage are down near the bottom of the league.

Speaker 2 (28:31):
Well, this is one where I think you do put
whether it's Davis or Gonzo, you put him one on
one so that he can't pick, he can't hunt those
matchups like you.

Speaker 3 (28:40):
Yeah, yeah, I think that this is a man coverage game.
Now when I unpack that, Kyle Pitts and Bijon Robinson
become a problem.

Speaker 7 (28:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (28:49):
Right, So that that's.

Speaker 3 (28:51):
Really where I think this can unravel on the Patriots
in terms of the man to man approach is who's
covering the tight end and who's covering Bijon.

Speaker 1 (29:00):
So that's where it.

Speaker 3 (29:01):
Gets tricky, is like they don't they have three good
corners that can cover the receivers, Like I think Marcus
Jones matches up against Darnell Mooney and Gonzales and Davis
match up against Drake London. But as we get to
the tight end and the running back. I don't know
where you go and.

Speaker 1 (29:19):
Do you go Davis on Pitts?

Speaker 3 (29:20):
Maybe you think I think that's a possibility. They haven't
done that yet with.

Speaker 4 (29:24):
The seventh graded safety on them.

Speaker 6 (29:26):
Yeah, but that's not what he's found that he's said.

Speaker 2 (29:31):
So I would agree with you if you go back
to the old Bill Belichick way. Is there one guy
like if you had to pick, we're going to take
him out? Is it Jean Robinson?

Speaker 1 (29:40):
Yeah, he is the engine of their offense.

Speaker 3 (29:42):
But their Patriots run defense has been so good that
I'm not totally concerned about him as a runner.

Speaker 2 (29:48):
Right, I'm not either, I am. I really don't know
what I'm talking about him as a receiver.

Speaker 3 (29:53):
Yeah, that him as a receiver is a problem, And
I don't really know how Like you could say, like
I love the Carlton Davis idea, like that's a I
would be a great wrinkle. I don't know what that
is on Bijon, Like you're not gonna put a corner
on him?

Speaker 1 (30:07):
Like, so, I don't know, hope done on that play?
He just got up closer.

Speaker 3 (30:16):
Yeah, so you know you you want them to to
play trail in that position where like he runs right
directly behind Fannin and so that when the pick comes,
he's literally like right behind him in his hip and
that way there he can avoid the pick. You probably
might still give up the catch, but then you can
just make the tackle and you know, get off the field.

Speaker 2 (30:38):
Jacket and Arbor with his and his weekly uh stutter
stiff list for the Falcons this week. Stutter stiff Michael
Pennox stiftiff really Bjeon Robinson, Drake London, Mike Hughes.

Speaker 4 (30:56):
More of a stiff stiff.

Speaker 3 (30:57):
If I was them, Kai Shan Boody On Mikey were bombing,
We're bombing. He's given up more touchdowns on deep passes
than any corner in football so far this year. So
I guarantee you you're going to see at least one
shot Watts.

Speaker 4 (31:12):
Good player. He's good.

Speaker 3 (31:13):
Yeah, I'm excited about him. I really liked him in
the draft.

Speaker 4 (31:16):
I don't know as much about him.

Speaker 6 (31:19):
Giving up all the big plays if they're good against explosives,
but he stinks at it, yes, and.

Speaker 1 (31:24):
You know, obviously you don't want to throw at a J.

Speaker 3 (31:26):
Terrell too often like I would.

Speaker 4 (31:28):
I think he's one of the more underrated players in
the league. No one ever talks about him the way
they talk about like Gonzo and certain and you know
those kinds of corners. You know, Derek Stingley.

Speaker 6 (31:38):
The closest thing, probably do a star on that defense.
I mean, Jesse Bates was very good. He's been a
really good player for a few years too.

Speaker 7 (31:44):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (31:45):
Yeah, I I wrote that he was a Pro bowler
and then I looked up and he's never made the
Pro Bowl, and that like blew my mind because I
think he's with Paul. I think he's one of the
better cover safety corners excuse me in the league. But
their other corner my cues can be can be picked on.

Speaker 2 (32:01):
All right. So Vraable today at twelve fifty five.

Speaker 4 (32:04):
A little later, little later pushed it back because evidently
they're working on a trade.

Speaker 2 (32:09):
Is that right?

Speaker 4 (32:12):
You sound like the guys on the Sports Hub when
they say, Paul, what are they doing at the trade deadline?

Speaker 2 (32:16):
You're in on those You said it very convincingly. I
thought maybe you had some knowledge.

Speaker 4 (32:21):
I can I can dream, I can dream.

Speaker 2 (32:23):
The press conference later, it's like that really cuts into
my eating time.

Speaker 4 (32:30):
Yeah, it was one.

Speaker 3 (32:33):
He did this Titans week because he was talking about
Titans reporters. So I don't know what the push reason,
but it's a whole week next tomorrow, and Friday has
also been pushed back a.

Speaker 1 (32:44):
Little bit by ten minutes.

Speaker 2 (32:46):
Getting ready for uh the fall back with the clocks
on Sunday, Yeah, get ready.

Speaker 3 (32:52):
Maybe maybe I think they're definitely, I mean we saw
what the intro is like. They're trying everything they can
to get faster starts, whether it's maybe practicing at a
different time or you know something. I I don't know
the intros. I think we're a big part of that,
trying to get some energy in the building before the
game started, So they're they're pulling out everything that they can.

Speaker 4 (33:14):
I I haven't heard that theory before, and I like,
go starts some energy in the buildings the game.

Speaker 6 (33:22):
Yeah, we don't get we only get a cut up
everything after the game.

Speaker 4 (33:27):
So I'm working after the game.

Speaker 3 (33:28):
Got me, and the press conference is working. I think
giving you credit the uh he doesn't like to go
back and I say Rabel doesn't like to go back
on trends with this team. But the four and sixteen
record at home since like the start of twenty three
or whatever it is, I think that's one that's stuck
with him, like, we need to be a better home team.

(33:50):
And they were one and two to start the year
at home, so I think that he's aware that they
have not been good enough year at home and they Yeah,
the intros was to try to get the juices in
the stadium flowing a little bit more early on in
the game.

Speaker 4 (34:04):
Okay, it didn't work.

Speaker 2 (34:05):
All right? Eight five five Pats five hundred is the
hotline podcast at Patriots dot com is the email address.
Let's get people involved. We'll start with Todd and Gardner.
What's up Todd?

Speaker 10 (34:20):
Hey, guys, I just wouldn't say that this year will
be successful if Evans follow up after the games after
further review, gets our rookies, all three of them starting
to be talked about. I feel like that is that's
a that's a sign of success for us.

Speaker 2 (34:35):
Sure, so we got to get Kyle Williams more involved.

Speaker 3 (34:37):
Oh I see, yeah, I was gonna say I talk
about everybody that plays, So now he's.

Speaker 2 (34:42):
I think he's talking about the top three. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (34:44):
Yeah, really good game by Jared Wilson. Want to give
him some flowers?

Speaker 2 (34:49):
Okay?

Speaker 10 (34:50):
Yeah, and my camp for our quarterback is not one
that I think that Paula liked this. I went and
looked at Stafford the other day because I was watching
the Lions play, and then I was remembering Stafford was there,
and I was like, Stafford used.

Speaker 9 (35:04):
To do some amazing things.

Speaker 10 (35:05):
Stafford and our guy Drake are very similar in their
ability to roll out, extend to play, make those crazy throws. Yeah,
we don't have Megatron, but that would be more of
my calm than you know, the Bills boy. I really
think that he's more of like a young Stafford.

Speaker 4 (35:22):
I think he has some Stafford, but I like he's
a better runner than.

Speaker 3 (35:25):
Ste That's the difference to me is the running. But
I do see the way the angles they throw the ball,
you know, the you know, the the trick shots, the
oar Americans. So he just I'm gonna throw this anywhere.

Speaker 2 (35:39):
With the throw to Hollins when he was going north
to south and he threw it, uh, kind of across
his body to the left hand side, was that a
no look past? I think it was.

Speaker 3 (35:51):
He threw one to Pop that was a no look
past and maybe he maybe it was Pop. I didn't
care for it, but yeah, that was one of those
where it's like you're I think they were already up
sixteen to seven at that point, Like I don't need
to know look to the post safety going the other way,
like we can put that one in the back pocket.
But yeah, he he has more of that, Like Stafford

(36:13):
has more of that like gunslinger trick shot thing to
him that I can see a little bit with Drake,
but I agree with Paul, he's much more mobile, the
better runner.

Speaker 4 (36:22):
Yeah, and when Stafford was younger, Todd's right, he was
a better athlete. You know, he's you know, he's thirty
eight or whatever now with all those injuries. But even
in his prime, he wasn't the runner that Drake is.
He could move, but not like not like Drake Wolves
in Montreal.

Speaker 2 (36:37):
He will.

Speaker 11 (36:40):
Last week I called in about Miles Garrett and he
proceeded to well break the franchise record for the Browns.
How do we contain Dejon Robinson this week? And my
second question is do you guys know when the next
episode of Forge and foxbro and it's coming out?

Speaker 2 (36:57):
You have to stay tuned, no set date, but just
stay tuned for the answer.

Speaker 6 (37:06):
Okay, I mean I don't get too carried away thinking
about scheming up to stop Jon. They've been really good
team defense and that's been a weekly thing, so I
have some confidence that they'll make life tough. I think
the bigger concern is what Evan said, it's it's him
as a receiver and getting him, you know, out into
the Backfield's that's where the damage has been, especially like
you know, the Miami game.

Speaker 2 (37:26):
So is let's just just focus on the running part
of Jon Robinson's game right now. The way the Patriots
have been playing against the run, is that sufficient or
is there something that they have to maybe bring somebody
down to help out against this guy.

Speaker 3 (37:42):
Oh well, they've been one of the best run defenses
in football. And you know, this Falcons offense runs outside
zone more than any team in the league. So they're
going to put the quarterback and pistol, they're gonna put
Bijon behind him, and they're gonna run outside zone to
the right, and they're gonna run outside zone to the
right again, and then they'll probably do it fifteen more times.
So if you just load up on outside zone, they

(38:06):
like every once in a while will throw like an
inside zone or duo change up at you.

Speaker 1 (38:11):
But it's not very frequent.

Speaker 3 (38:13):
So, uh, you know, I think that this is a
lot of the yards that he's getting, Like they're only
like twenty something in rush EPA, Like they're not a
good run offense on the whole. But he's great. So
a lot of the yards he's getting is him. You know,
he's broken the most tackles in football. You know, he's
like up there in yards after contact top five in
the league and yards after contact, So they don't they

(38:35):
don't really do much to help him.

Speaker 1 (38:36):
Like he's he's kind of just.

Speaker 3 (38:38):
Like the run against Buffalo, he just breaks the tackle
and takes it eighty yards to the house.

Speaker 2 (38:43):
Yeah, Mike in Long Island, Mike, Mike, Hey, guys.

Speaker 12 (38:50):
Hey, so is it time to retire the sacrificial X receiver?

Speaker 2 (38:58):
Is it time to retire the sacrificial X receiver? I
have to explain that.

Speaker 3 (39:02):
See, I don't think so, because I think Kaishan Booty
is playing the sacrificial X exactly how it's meant to
be played, like when.

Speaker 13 (39:10):
He but it's not a sacrifice anymore.

Speaker 14 (39:13):
He's been killing it.

Speaker 9 (39:14):
He's got like every four points, So.

Speaker 2 (39:16):
What you're saying, it's not a throwaway anymore.

Speaker 3 (39:19):
So I think I get what he's saying, like, so
you know, like in historically the sacrificial X with birth,
because they're just running wind sprints out there and clearing
out coverage and not necessarily getting the ball. But I
think that the good versions of that that they have
have gotten the ball, but they're just running a lot
of verticals. Like I used the Brandon Lafel comparison. I

(39:41):
think yesterday, like Brandon Lfel got plenty of targets in
the offense, but it wasn't a diverse route tree, and
he's sticked to the boundary and like that's exactly what
Kaisehan Boody's doing. So I think he's like a great
version of game.

Speaker 4 (39:54):
Like it's not like Matthew Slater, like we're never going
to throw it to him, They're just gonna run down
there every play and we're never going to throw it
to you. Booty's been outstanding in that role. I agree
with everything you guys just said.

Speaker 6 (40:04):
Well, I was just going to piggyback when you said
with Josh McDaniels micd Up talking and Booty saying appreciate
your patience. I think that's, you know, something you're going
to be the sacrificial lex. You have to have some patience.
You might only get three or four targets a game,
but if you're on point, they might be a sixty
yard touchdown bomb or you know, that.

Speaker 3 (40:20):
Was the best miked up we've ever done.

Speaker 1 (40:21):
Now, maybe not just because it was. I wonder why
it was a good week, it was.

Speaker 3 (40:27):
It was the best one we've ever done. Listening you
know to some of the football stuff that we were
able to put in there about you know, him saying,
all right, we're going to motion over here, and he's
going to go over there.

Speaker 4 (40:37):
There he goes, and like just.

Speaker 3 (40:39):
Knowing, like before it even happens what was going to
play out.

Speaker 1 (40:44):
Turn your hips, turn your hips a little more inside.
There you go.

Speaker 4 (40:47):
It's incredible, Like in the amount if you read the.

Speaker 2 (40:50):
Comments on YouTube, people are just over the hill, over
the top.

Speaker 6 (40:55):
What I said to Paul, I love too, is just
how he was so encouraging to Booty, and you know,
Booty saying, you know same. What impressed me was that
you got him to turn his hips in the details,
and Booty's saying, you know, like I'm listening to you,
and you know, you just you can tell when when
a player is buying what the coaches are selling.

Speaker 1 (41:09):
And you know, we've had experiences.

Speaker 6 (41:10):
Over the last few years where we had a lot
of questions if the players, you know, even believe the
coaches knew what they were doing. So, you know, I
think it's again it's another one of those things where
confidence equals production, which feeds more confidence, and you know,
now they're believing even more what those coaches are selling them.
So hopefully, hopefully Booty can keep it up. He's a
great story. I mean, you look at him as a
six round pick and what he's made himself into to

(41:33):
be a part of this offense. I don't know a
couple of years ago if anybody could have seen that
coming through two different regime changes that and all of
a sudden, Booty was going to be the one to
kind of emerge into a really solid role.

Speaker 3 (41:42):
Yeah, the level of detail, and I miked up of
like just the predictability factor, like you know, talking about
like the Hunter Henry touchdown and he's like, all right,
we're going to motion and this is what they're going
to do, and now we're in the flat and touchdown.
Then it's like like to be that prepared for the
opponent and know exactly how all the chess pieces on

(42:02):
the board were going to move on any play. Is
like it shows how much work they put into, you know,
studying these opponents and getting to know the defenses and stuff.

Speaker 6 (42:10):
I like the Drake thing too, where he just said,
you know, give our guys a chance against the guys,
you should give them a chance again.

Speaker 1 (42:17):
Do you feel me? You know what I'm trying to say.
I felt part of that was he knew he was
miked up.

Speaker 6 (42:20):
He didn't want to call out certain guys that they
knew were mismatches.

Speaker 1 (42:24):
But no, I agree with that. I love that stuff.

Speaker 2 (42:27):
Chase says he saw the clips with McDaniels. Seems like
he's doing a great job communicating with May on how
to read each play. Do you think this jump from
May comes from skill changes over the past year or
is it the effect of having the greatest o C
of all time?

Speaker 6 (42:41):
Well, I mean, look at the whole the whole thing
is working right now. I think, you know, and we
can talk about what a coach's impact is.

Speaker 1 (42:48):
But like Drake is just playing to his strengths. It's crazy.

Speaker 6 (42:51):
I mean, you know, his ability to run. I mean
I still think there's things to go. You know, there's
still places to go.

Speaker 2 (42:57):
Connor and Saint Paul, great conversation the other day of
whether Josh McDaniels is a tight pants guy. Before there
were tight pants guy, there were visor guys. Josh never
gave up on the visor.

Speaker 3 (43:07):
That's true, he is advisor guy. Yeah, okay, I could
hear that.

Speaker 4 (43:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (43:11):
I just think, you know, the improvement for Drake in
the pocket, his you know, pocket movement, the ball security
in the pocket, That to me is where he's I
think he could always throw the ball obviously, and he
could all I think he could read coverage at a
pretty high level too. I think he was doing that
his rookie season. But now they got him like understanding,

(43:35):
like the subtle movements in the pocket and not you
don't always need to move ten feet. Sometimes you only
need to move a little this way or a little
that way. And when he does it, he's, you know,
got two hands on the ball and he's protecting the
football while he's moving.

Speaker 4 (43:49):
I think that that.

Speaker 3 (43:50):
Growth has been you know, whether it's McDaniels or Ashton
Grant or whoever, like that, that's been very noticeable, all right.

Speaker 2 (43:58):
Paul, you all right, Yeah, it look a little quiet today, A.

Speaker 4 (44:01):
Lot of nose talk. Let I let the ball knowers
do that, right, Sorry Paul worries.

Speaker 3 (44:08):
You could talk about x's and no's. You don't have
to say that. You don't break it down. It's not
my thing.

Speaker 4 (44:15):
No, Actually I just watch. I don't. I don't break
it down. I've never watched a game over again, almost never.

Speaker 3 (44:21):
I commend you for that because I you see a
lot for somebody that only watches.

Speaker 4 (44:27):
And I'm not exaggerating. I I can't remember the last
time I rewatched a game like live. So in other words,
on Monday, I'm watching the game that I can't remember
the last time I did that, probably like oh two, yeah,
oh three.

Speaker 6 (44:41):
I think there are different levels of it, though, like
I don't I don't ever claim to do what Evan
does on his Mondays. But you know, I like to
go back and look at plays and you know, maybe
look at certain players.

Speaker 2 (44:50):
And I definitely look at plays. I do that because
I can't you can't take it all in. So like
certain plays, I want to see what was going on
that I missed yea, or I hear people talking about something,
let me see it for myself.

Speaker 4 (45:03):
Yeah, that I do.

Speaker 6 (45:04):
Yeah, I get some into like watching it out of
order though, and like doing you know, specific things, and
then the game gets jumbled in my brain. So then
like before we do the Monday Show, I have to
just like quickly watch the ten minute recap to like
reput all the plays in order for me because they
get all jumbled in my brain.

Speaker 3 (45:18):
Yeah, because like I watch all offense and then all defense.

Speaker 6 (45:21):
Yeah, you kind of forget you kind of miss the
like flow of the game a little bit, you know
if you do.

Speaker 3 (45:25):
But you you see you see the chess match. Yeah,
like when you watch it all together, like that drive
to drive, you can see, Okay, this is what happened
on this drive and then they call this play this
this next drive because they call that play before and
so it makes it easier to see the sequencing of
the plays. But you do kind of miss the forest sometimes.

Speaker 6 (45:45):
Yeah, you do these days. I like the defense and
then I usually drakes drop backs. Those are that's mine.
Those are my not a check it out, not.

Speaker 3 (45:52):
A bad place to me.

Speaker 2 (45:54):
Let's go to Sean and Vancouver. What's up Sean Vanouver?

Speaker 13 (46:02):
You know a friend you talk a lot about the
registry and bring that up for people to look at
for where are they're going to find a great fan bar.
And I don't know if everyone realizes how amazing it is.
I was in Key West this past weekend and I
looked on the registry to find a place to watch
a game, and I found Dog Island and it was amazing.
Like I've been to lots of bars support I've never

(46:24):
seen a sports bar where the Dolphins game is relegated
to the corner, but half the other TV's and the
most prominent ones are showing the Patriots game and everyone
in there is a Patriots fan. We're all rooting and
cheering at the same time. It's it's just a great experience.
So people, you really got to like look into that
registry and if you don't have one in your area, see

(46:44):
if you can get one started, because it's a huge,
huge boost, especially now that the team's great again. So
that's terrific. The other question I have, and this is
a bit of a weird one, like the receivers are
really come through that. I love this receiver group and
I'm pretty sure you know they can be great next
year too. But I'd love to get Jeremiah Smith. So

(47:09):
is it possible for the Patriots to trade for a
twenty twenty seven first round pick so they can somehow
maneuver and select Jeremiah Smith? And really, have you know
drake to Smith as that All Star run.

Speaker 4 (47:26):
That's a real craft shoot to I also don't want
to wait another year.

Speaker 3 (47:30):
Yeah, I think Jeremiah Smith might be the number one
overall pick in the twenty twenty seven draft. Yeah, so
unless you can get to number one overallow.

Speaker 2 (47:38):
Even if he isn't, like, it's still you're taking your chances.

Speaker 3 (47:41):
Well, he's going to be top three, No doubt he'd be.
He'd be like a top ten receiver in.

Speaker 4 (47:47):
I'm with Sean. I mean, he's tremendous, tremendous player, but like,
can we get someone like we have to wait another year?
I hear what he's saying.

Speaker 3 (47:55):
I just it's not even that, Like, I just it's
totally not possible. Like unless they fall apart and they're
picking in the top five again, which Lord help us,
then like there's no way they're getting Jeremiah Smith.

Speaker 1 (48:06):
Ryan Williams. Maybe you know Ryan Williams has fallen off
a little bit. I agree.

Speaker 4 (48:11):
I've watched a lot of him, and I was talking
to Evan about this Alabama and I can I perk
up now because I come to the conclusion that Ty
Simpson is like the best quarterback in the country who
was like this fifty year guy who's never started and
was not really on my radar. In his first game
against Florida State was uneven to put it kindly, but

(48:31):
I've watched a fair amount of Alabama games because for
whatever he's on, but they're already but they're always on early,
which is great for me because, like I know, they
put their marquee games on and you know, in primetime
and Grandpa falls asleep, I don't make it through or
Big neon kickoff, Yeah, the Big newon kickoffs, Like that's
my wheelhouse, you know. And he's got a great arm,

(48:53):
he has excellent mobilities, get good size, much better athlete.
He's pretty good. And Ryan, just in watching a little
bit he has he's had some drops. Yeah, he's kind
of small, and he's gotten banged up a little bit.
Looks like, yes, some concussion issues. I'm not saying he's
not tremendously talented.

Speaker 2 (49:12):
Because he is, but he's been kept up the pace.

Speaker 4 (49:14):
He has not looked as good as he did last year.
He started well, Jeremiah Smith has.

Speaker 3 (49:18):
He's starting to give off a little bit of not
and this isn't meant to be a knock, but like
he's more like Devonte Smith, I think than he is
in Jeremiah Smith's here. Jeremiah Smith's like Julio Jones two
point zero.

Speaker 4 (49:30):
Yeah, I think that's a very good uh, you know,
both ways.

Speaker 3 (49:35):
Ryan Williams a little slighter, you know, a little bit undersized,
you know. Yeah, that's twenty twenty seven.

Speaker 4 (49:42):
We're not like And I did see at least one
Mark have Ty Simpson as a projected number one overall pick,
which blew me away because it's just like with this
guy's coming out of nowhere. Now it's a perfect thing
for Simpson because he's played really well and a lot
of the other posed top quarterbacks have not had great years.

(50:03):
Drew allers out for the year, and he wasn't great
when he was playing. Garrett Nosmeyer is in a mess
down there with LSU and Brian Kelly getting fired and
their offensive coordinator getting fired. Their offensive line is a mess. Obviously.
Will Campbell held that all together last year because they
can't make a pass without him getting killed. I like

(50:25):
the kid from Oregon more. Yeah, and I want to
see more of the Indiana kid. I haven't seen enough
of him. I only see highlights.

Speaker 1 (50:35):
What do you think that you don't like Sellers?

Speaker 4 (50:37):
I love the skill set, But why doesn't he yet?
I mean, if he's that and I know it's this
is silly, but if he's that good, shouldn't they be
a little bit better?

Speaker 1 (50:48):
Now?

Speaker 4 (50:48):
Last week against Alabama, he was the reason why they
stayed in the game. He was he made play after play.
I like him a lot. I don't know if he's
some Anthony Richardson vibes there.

Speaker 1 (51:00):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (51:00):
Yeah, you know we're talking receiver next year though, Like
that's not Jeremiah Smith obviously, like Jordan Tyson is probably
the number one guy.

Speaker 1 (51:09):
But Lemon from.

Speaker 3 (51:11):
USC is getting a lot of like Puka Nikua type comps.

Speaker 4 (51:15):
And I don't know much about him.

Speaker 3 (51:16):
He's really talented too, and him and Cartonal Tate from
Ohio State are going to be like in the twenties somewhere.
So if that's if the Patriots are a playoff team
and they're picking somewhere in the twenties. I don't know
if receiver is really where they're going to need to go,
but if they end up going receiver, then those three
guys are all projected to go right now in the
first round, you know, outside the top ten, but in

(51:39):
the first round.

Speaker 4 (51:40):
And I bring up all those quarterbacks, Freddy, because I think, yes,
this is a pretty deep class down and if you
can get these quarterbacks into the first round, that obviously
helps the Patriots.

Speaker 2 (51:52):
Yeah. Also, I just conspiracy theories, the fact that it's
projected to be a good quarterback classes that have any
dotted lines to a lot of teams just not playing
well this year.

Speaker 4 (52:05):
I don't think there are a lot of teams that
are going to be in that market. So that's you know,
I don't know. I mean there's certainly some you know,
New Orleans would be an example of a red flag
for you, you know, once Derek Carr stepped aside, you know,
it's like, all right, we're really going to go with
Spencer Ratler and then we're going to draft Tyler Shuck.
And now Rattler's out of a job, Shuck's going to

(52:27):
be in. So they're not going to win more than
three games. Yeah, it's they're going to be in They're
going to be in the market. But I mean, who
else how many Jets, the Jets, the Saints, the Browns.

Speaker 15 (52:38):
Ye.

Speaker 3 (52:39):
Yeah, this quarterback class has cooled off a little bit
for sure. Coming into the year, it was like, you know,
they thought maybe this was going to look like Drake's here,
you know, Drake Maje and Daniel's Caleb Pennox.

Speaker 2 (52:51):
Arch Manning has kind of falling off.

Speaker 1 (52:53):
Actually, he's looked a lot better. I think he's healthier.

Speaker 4 (52:56):
I think it's and he's insisted and I know that
Evan and I sort of bicker about this one off air,
Like he insists the Manning family insists he's got no
plans to go anywhere.

Speaker 2 (53:04):
Yea, he probably won't come out.

Speaker 4 (53:06):
And that's that's my argument is always the Mannings generally
do what they say. That's right.

Speaker 3 (53:12):
You know, the last couple of weeks he's looked better.
He got hurt at the end of the game last week.

Speaker 4 (53:16):
That was an unbelievable comeback.

Speaker 3 (53:18):
Yeah, but he's like coaching staff, he's looked a lot
physically better, Like he's throwing the ball. It's not looking
as weird. And you know, like it hurts every time
he throws the football, so maybe he was.

Speaker 6 (53:30):
Hurt in the one other draft thing. I clucked, who
was he's clocking drafts? Clocked the draft thing? Well, you know,
you got to have the radar up. But Jordan Reid
said not not a great running.

Speaker 1 (53:37):
Back class after love from Notre Dame.

Speaker 6 (53:40):
Yeah, and so I know sometimes you just follow these
like ebbs and flows of oh, it's a great tight
end year or not. It seems like Patriots definitely will
be in the market for running back this year.

Speaker 1 (53:49):
So something to know.

Speaker 3 (53:49):
It's a great edge class, that that's the one that's
getting touted as like the number one part of the class.
Roubben Band for Miami is I've heard a lot of
that top five putting pick in this draft. But it's
it's a good edge class and like you could probably
get a pretty solid prospect.

Speaker 2 (54:05):
Both just turned his car around.

Speaker 3 (54:07):
Well he's already draft, he's already here, he's here for
the media. No kick but yeah, no, we did ten
minutes on how they need a kick returner, and he
was like arguing like against himself, Like I was like,
I'm not pushing back on the fact that they could
use an upgrade at kick returner. And he's going on
and on about how important it is now at the

(54:28):
new kickoff rules and everything, and I'm like, I don't
know who.

Speaker 2 (54:31):
That The difference between the top kick return team and
the bottom is seven yards.

Speaker 3 (54:36):
It's eight yards yard, yeah, thirty five to twenty seven.
They're Detroit Lions lead the league right now. They're at
their average starting field position after a kickoffs thirty five,
so it's eight yards over here.

Speaker 2 (54:51):
He wanted to bring back Gunna Raschewsky. He did, and
I said, we've already got him. His name's Afton Chisholm.

Speaker 1 (54:56):
You do.

Speaker 4 (54:57):
He's I don't know if you will look gonna pick
one there. I agree with you. I don't think we
both think that means the same thing.

Speaker 7 (55:04):
I know.

Speaker 4 (55:06):
You're absolutely a half back already in your roster.

Speaker 2 (55:10):
Eldred's in North Carolina. Hey, Aldred.

Speaker 16 (55:17):
Yeah, I'm sitting in the rail yard right now.

Speaker 2 (55:21):
Wait waiting for your dropping off or picking.

Speaker 16 (55:24):
Up both dropping off in the pick up out of
here too, Okay, yeah, yeh. Kind of feel bad about
about the Dougger trade, but I understand why. But my
question is we can't get a linebacker or a safety
that can cover tight ends and backs out the backfield
or whatever.

Speaker 15 (55:45):
You know.

Speaker 17 (55:46):
That's that's one of my worries.

Speaker 16 (55:48):
And Evan, I gotta disagree with you. Bro heard the
show this morning.

Speaker 2 (55:52):
I want get outside.

Speaker 16 (55:53):
Received sixth Street with speed to stretch the stretch the
defense and I let it go at that.

Speaker 2 (55:58):
Don't have a good thanks are Evan? Are you anti
high production?

Speaker 1 (56:04):
No? No, I know what he's saying.

Speaker 3 (56:05):
I think it did take me a second, but we
were talking on the catch twenty two about the deadline
and possibly adding and I just look at the receiver
position where it's like, if it's.

Speaker 1 (56:17):
Not like a J.

Speaker 3 (56:18):
Brown, I I just don't know why they would add
like Kobe just another receiver.

Speaker 4 (56:23):
I'm totally with you now you can steal a stud that.
I'm all for that all the time. But I don't
know the three four so I was.

Speaker 3 (56:31):
I brought up my example. Myer is a good one.
I brought up Chris a Lave, whose name has been
floated around. I like chrys Olav a lot, but like
a lot, is he that much better than Kishan Boody?

Speaker 1 (56:44):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (56:44):
I don't know if it's worth the risk of disrupting
that room exactly. And you know, I've seen a lot
of Shaheed. Yeah, you know, he does give you, like
obviously the speed element that maybe you don't have. But yeah,
that's I don't know if it's worth it unless it's
if it's like an aj Brown type. There's still a
discussion to be had there about the room, you know,

(57:07):
and disrupting the apple cart a little bit. But for
a talent like that, you might come out on the
other side and say it's worth the risk because this
guy is special. I like Chris Olave. I think he's good,
not great, and he also has significant concussion history.

Speaker 3 (57:25):
No, you're exactly him exactly. What I was saying is
that room has come together so well on it.

Speaker 4 (57:32):
It's one of the underrated elements of their success offensively,
is how well that room has come together. And I'm
not necessarily saying how well they've played on the field.
I'm saying how well they've come together.

Speaker 3 (57:42):
Yeah, it's I mean, everybody kind of has a role.
Everyone sort of knows where their targets are.

Speaker 1 (57:47):
You know.

Speaker 3 (57:47):
Now, Matt Collins has had a couple of big games
and Booties keeps hitting the big plays down the field
and Diggs is kind of this straw that stirs the drink.
And even like Pop you know, has the forty four
yarder in the game on Sunday, Like they're all kind
of finding ways to contribute. And then all of a sudden,
if you add like Jacobe Myers back into that mix,
and now all of a sudden, who's getting probably the

(58:09):
odd man out there, and like it just upsets the
apple car like Paul is saying.

Speaker 1 (58:14):
I thought that was highlighted to McDaniel's.

Speaker 6 (58:16):
Thing was just Diggs talking to McDaniels, getting the marching orders,
finding what message Jo I need to send.

Speaker 1 (58:21):
You can see he's really been a leader.

Speaker 2 (58:23):
Mike cin Cincinnati.

Speaker 9 (58:26):
Hey, fellas Mike Hey.

Speaker 18 (58:29):
So two things don't bother the wide receiver room.

Speaker 19 (58:32):
I think it's fine unless we get an A. J.

Speaker 7 (58:35):
Brown.

Speaker 18 (58:36):
I think that we could grow up with the guys
we have. And I've been watching a lot of like
sports talk, and it's interesting to me how they put
the Kansas City Chiefs like on this pedestal. But I
don't think they've beaten I don't think they've like beaten anybody,
just like we haven't really beaten a lot of hard competition,
so I'm just not understanding, like the.

Speaker 4 (58:57):
Power ranking and how they what do you think you trust?

Speaker 18 (59:01):
I mean the same thing I think of Bills.

Speaker 4 (59:03):
So they they beat one of the better teams in football.
Then I mean a lot of people think Buffalo is done,
including the guy who's sitting to my left.

Speaker 2 (59:12):
I think it's closing.

Speaker 4 (59:14):
But Detroit you think, I mean, do you think they're
any good?

Speaker 18 (59:17):
That's just stay will win.

Speaker 19 (59:18):
I think they're great, but I also think that the
Bills are good.

Speaker 18 (59:22):
But who else have they beaten?

Speaker 4 (59:24):
So what are we talking about? Who else is? I
don't have Kansas City's whole schedule in front of me.
I know that they had one of the most difficult
schedules in football so far.

Speaker 2 (59:31):
Though they play the Ravens in Week one, right.

Speaker 4 (59:34):
They played Philadelphia, they played the Chargers before the Chargers
lost all their players. Have they beaten though, kints? I
just told you Detroit it's one of the best teams
in football.

Speaker 19 (59:46):
That's it.

Speaker 4 (59:47):
I understand that, But well, you only have one opportunity.
They beat Detroit, then they beat the Giants, they beat
the Giants. I don't know. I don't know every team
that they beat.

Speaker 3 (59:58):
They beat the Commanders, the the Lions, the Ravens.

Speaker 1 (01:00:02):
I think that was that with or without Lamar.

Speaker 18 (01:00:05):
I don't know that that's right.

Speaker 4 (01:00:09):
That was with Lamar. So there's two good wins by seventeen.
And they also lost to Philadelphia because Travis Kelcey can
no longer catch Mike.

Speaker 2 (01:00:17):
Don't don't make fun of Kansas City. That's Paul's team.

Speaker 4 (01:00:20):
No, But like this is like the thing that we
touched on yesterday. You wanted to get me engaged. Patriots
fans are back right the six and two. There's a
Super Bowl champion. Now, you can't even say that they've
had a soft schedule without getting someone's panties all in
a bunch. They've literally had the easiest schedule in the
history of football since nineteen seventy eight, since the sixteen
game schedule was instituted. And you can't say it now

(01:00:42):
you have to make fun of everybody else if you
want to say Buffalo hasn't played anybody. Now, I'm on
board because Buffalo has the same schedule the Patriots do well.
The AFCAST schedule is a joke. I know they're playing
the worst divisions in football.

Speaker 2 (01:00:55):
But Buffalo is playing the first place team in all
those divisions.

Speaker 4 (01:00:59):
That's only two games they've played.

Speaker 2 (01:01:01):
Can't late Buffalo has had a tougher schedule than the
Patriots so far.

Speaker 4 (01:01:06):
Yes, and I would only say because of Baldike, because
of the first game of the season Baltimore. Otherwise they've
played roughly like they played Carolina, they played the Jets,
they played Miami, they.

Speaker 3 (01:01:16):
Didn't play the Troup haven't played Detroit, but.

Speaker 2 (01:01:18):
No who they've played there. They despite the fact that
they finished first their schedule.

Speaker 4 (01:01:23):
But they haven't played those teams yet and there's only
two of those games. One of them is this week
they played Kansas City.

Speaker 3 (01:01:28):
Yeah, I just uh, like the Chiefs are what the
Patriots used to be. Like they are the proof of
concept team, Like they have the best quarterback in the sport,
they have maybe the best head coach in the league.
They are in the Super Bowl or the AFC Championship
Game every single year. So until that changes, they are
going to be ahead of a team like the Patriots

(01:01:50):
that are breaking out in a young quarterbacks career. Like that,
I don't understand. I'm with Paul in the fact that
I don't understand why everybody keeps calling in and saying,
why is Kansas City in Buffalo ahead of the Patriots
on power rankings?

Speaker 1 (01:02:03):
Like, don'tually in one of them?

Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
Buffalo's behind the Patriots, but right.

Speaker 3 (01:02:06):
The team, these are teams that have been there routinely for.

Speaker 4 (01:02:10):
I had no problem with that Patriots fan, And if
I'm a Patriots fan, I beat Buffalo, so I have
an argument there, Like I went to Buffalo and I
won that game, So I think the Patriots right now
should be ranked ahead of Buffalo in a power ranking.
But I'm not even talking about power rankings. I'm talking
about who they beat the Patriots. Patriots fans should never

(01:02:30):
say that to any team based on what's happened right now,
Like why would you mock any team for who they've
beaten based on you you beating? Literally? Is it the
worst five teams in Footballkay?

Speaker 2 (01:02:43):
But is it mocking or is it really trying to
truly judge how good another team?

Speaker 4 (01:02:47):
It's mocking? Well, you think it's my Kansas City? Why
is everybody giving Kansas City this left? They haven't beaten anybody,
That's how that just started mocking.

Speaker 2 (01:02:54):
But it could be just someone trying to judge how
good is Kansas City this year?

Speaker 1 (01:02:59):
You know who they.

Speaker 4 (01:03:01):
Played, but and when you had Baltimore and Detroit and
you win ball, I'm like, like I do, Okay, I
don't really know what we're even on you.

Speaker 3 (01:03:08):
And all, you know, everything supports Kansas City being a
great team.

Speaker 4 (01:03:13):
Now are they better? I think they'll be back too.
If you want to argue, can we wait till they
actually are back before we just say they're back there
one game behind despite the whole world ending for the Chiefs,
they're one game behind the Patriots right one game.

Speaker 2 (01:03:32):
They're playing better. They're all they got.

Speaker 4 (01:03:35):
They got their players back there a big shock, and
they got better. I mean, and they would have beaten
Philadelphia if not for Travis Kelsey. I watched a lot
of that game. They all played Philadelphia for large chunks
of that game, even without all their players, no Worthy,
no Rice in that game.

Speaker 3 (01:03:52):
It's still amazing to me how wide open he gets sometimes,
like not even like on his own, like on the
game on Monday Night, like he just catches a check
down from Mahomes, but.

Speaker 2 (01:04:01):
He leaked out. He was he was yeah wucking and
then he.

Speaker 3 (01:04:04):
I know, but like that doesn't usually go for a
thirty five yard play.

Speaker 2 (01:04:08):
Oh you got a quarterback who can extend.

Speaker 3 (01:04:10):
I know, but I like when I'm just saying, most
of the time, when you leak out and you hite
a check down to the tight end, you know, best
case scenario that goes ten twelve yards, this went for
like forty run anymore?

Speaker 4 (01:04:24):
Like right, it sounds like I'm killing Kelsey had a
great career. He's clearly on the back nine, but he's
had He's had a good amount of drops this year.
He had another one that cost him an interception of
the night. So this is maybe I'm getting a little
defensive for this. So yesterday the NFL put out a
graphic with MVP candidates in it, right, and Drake May

(01:04:44):
is one of them. And you know, I did the
Patriots thing, and I make sure I've retweeted that saying
how much I still can't believe how.

Speaker 2 (01:04:51):
Fast he the eyeballs.

Speaker 4 (01:04:52):
Yeah, how fast he's injected himself into this and rightly
so and right so, but justified.

Speaker 1 (01:04:58):
I believe you got to put that in the I
can't believe he's on this.

Speaker 4 (01:05:01):
It's Drake May.

Speaker 2 (01:05:02):
Feel great for the kid, It's Drake May.

Speaker 4 (01:05:05):
Josh Allen Jonathan Taylor and Patrick Mahomes. Okay, you wouldn't
believe the amount of people said, what is Mahomes doing
on this list?

Speaker 2 (01:05:15):
There's no one from the NFC on the list.

Speaker 4 (01:05:18):
No, that was the list. Oh okay, how do the
kids do it? That's the list. I don't know. That's it.
That's the list. That's it, like officially official, right, let's
get them all out. There would be an NFC people
who question question Mahomes's you know, in the discussion. I'm

(01:05:40):
not saying leading candidate in the discussion for MVP based
on him keeping that team afloat by himself for the
first month and a half of the season. Yep, right
until Rice Unworthy came back. They're not serious people. I'm
going to do all though. All the kids thinks they're
just not a serious person. They're not serious. They're not

(01:06:00):
a serious football team.

Speaker 2 (01:06:01):
Now he deserves to be honest, of course he does.

Speaker 4 (01:06:04):
And yeah, I heard people saying, like, you see those
two terrible picks that he threw the other night, Well,
obviously you didn't watch the game.

Speaker 2 (01:06:09):
One was off Kelsey's hands and.

Speaker 4 (01:06:11):
The other one was actually a great play by Marshawn Latimore. Yeah,
but the one that Kelsey could not he could have
handed it to him, right, and then not only he
doesn't catch it, but it gets picked off right.

Speaker 2 (01:06:24):
Christians in la Hey.

Speaker 8 (01:06:26):
Christian, Hey, you got how why are you today?

Speaker 4 (01:06:30):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (01:06:30):
Great?

Speaker 17 (01:06:32):
So quickly I didn't get the I didn't get my
chance to give my flowers yest day because I was
caught in the elevator when you got Probably, but I
just wanted to stay this and this sut of projected
forward for the rest of the season. Yes, this Sunday
that just passed. Yes, we played one of the best
defenses in football. We played one of the best defensive
ends in football, if not of all time, and he

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had a record breaking game, the best game of his career,
and we still put up thirty points. So my question
comes this, what is the cteelings for this offense this year?
If we can do that with them, looking at the
rest of the defenses that we have to play, even
some of the defenses that we might meet in the playoffs,
what's the ceiling for this offense if we've already, in

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my estimation, best one of the best defenses.

Speaker 2 (01:07:19):
Well, I hear what you're saying. Christian But here's the thing.
You have to factor in what happens to this defense.
What happens to this offense when you have to play
another really good offense and now you know, you don't
feel so comfortable, and you know there's a lot of
pressure to score because Mahomes is putting up points too.

(01:07:41):
And of course that won't happen unless they get to
the playoffs. But you know what I mean. So let's
just say that the Falcons come in this week and
they have all these guys back and they're hitting on
all cylinders and it's a no punk game. What happens then?
You know, I'm hoping you're right. I'm hoping that they're.

Speaker 4 (01:08:00):
What are you're looking for for an answer, we'll cut
to the chase.

Speaker 17 (01:08:03):
Yeah right, I mean for me, I get the answer
I'm looking for. Even in that scenario, how does that
prevent us from scoring points?

Speaker 1 (01:08:11):
We don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:08:12):
We don't know because we haven't really been points when
you have to.

Speaker 17 (01:08:15):
Yeah, okay, So again my question is what is the
feeling for the offense?

Speaker 4 (01:08:21):
What you're looking at this is I think this is
as good as the offense can play. I think they've
been great for the large part of the last seven games.
I think the offense has been outstanding. Yeah yeah, I mean,
do you think that they're capable of much more than this?

Speaker 17 (01:08:34):
I think I think that we can seriously be when
we first really get someone like the Trevia and himn
This has really worked into hit game. Josh is coming
into his own with his talent. It takes them with
a few games to look at and evaluate what his
talent is. But I think we have every single piece
on this team, and bear with me, in comparison to
what we had with the twenty and seventeen. We have

(01:08:56):
a field stretcher, we have a flat genius.

Speaker 4 (01:08:59):
We have who's the field stretcher.

Speaker 17 (01:09:04):
Okay, he's gotten behind more, He's got behind more cornerbacks.

Speaker 4 (01:09:08):
Khan thing.

Speaker 2 (01:09:10):
So here's the thing. So, so the real thing is, Okay,
you're wondering, how how much better can this offense be?
So let's just look at the Browns game. And thanks
for the call, Christian. Let's just look at the Browns game.
How much better would the offense be if they hadn't
given up six sacks, if they hadn't if Miles Garrett,
I like your first point better, Okay, but hold on

(01:09:32):
if he hadn't gotten five sacks, My question is are
they capable of that?

Speaker 1 (01:09:38):
Like, that's my point.

Speaker 2 (01:09:39):
Is the offensive line good enough to if they play
this game over, to not allow that. I don't know
the end.

Speaker 4 (01:09:45):
So maybe gott Garrett doesn't get five if they play again,
but they the Browns probably get like four or five
sacks again as a team. Right So, because that's what
they get every game, that's what they allow every game.
Not the Browns, the Patriot because it was the second
most sacked team in football.

Speaker 2 (01:10:00):
It wasn't a question of this is a really good
offensive line. They just had a bad day. This is
kind of like where the offensive line is right now.
They're a young you know, on one side, they're very young,
they're old. On the other side, they've got a journeyman center,
and they're kind of you know.

Speaker 1 (01:10:15):
They're playing okay.

Speaker 2 (01:10:16):
But if you're looking at something that a team that
can really get at the quarterback, that's the one weakness
I think the Patriots have right now on offense.

Speaker 6 (01:10:25):
I mean, yes, but I'd also just say, if Drake
Man continues to play at this level, which I don't
think he will, I mean, you know, I think he's
very good. But this is like playing even above his
own head right now, like that me, is he going
that offsets that? I mean, they still won the game
by crazy pants, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:10:40):
So much better than that. Can he play what did
you just say that? Which he's probably not going to right.
So he's he's on an unbelievable historic heater and people
are saying, can he get better?

Speaker 1 (01:10:52):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:10:53):
Can the offense get better? I don't know, like how
much better he can play it? And he's doing right
and that's carrying the team. And the point I was,
you know, trying to get to is that as he
kind of drops off a little bit, I think he's
still going to be very good, but you're gonna need
more from the running game.

Speaker 1 (01:11:07):
You're gonna need more from the past production.

Speaker 2 (01:11:08):
Right, Let's go to Mike Vrabel.

Speaker 3 (01:11:12):
Why was it important to extend Marcus.

Speaker 17 (01:11:16):
Jones at this time?

Speaker 20 (01:11:19):
I think it's something that you know, we've talked about
and wanted to, you know, I think he embodies everything
that we're we're looking for here and a and a
player and a teammate on the field, in the community,
you know, something that we were excited about doing and
glad that he uh, wanted to get that done and
and and be with us moving forward.

Speaker 15 (01:11:41):
Mike Smith said last month that Kean White was going
to be a big part of what you guys do.

Speaker 7 (01:11:46):
Why did you feel it was important to move on now?

Speaker 21 (01:11:50):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 20 (01:11:51):
You know, I think that, you know, just the timing
of everything and where we're at as a team, it
felt like it was, you know, the right thing to do,
and we'll get a lot of guys in that room,
and we just felt like at this particular time to
make those moves that we made with him and Kyle,
and you really got to make our focus here against

(01:12:12):
the Falcons, a team that we don't know much about,
haven't played in five years or four or five years.
So wish key On the best, wish Kyle the best,
appreciate their professionalism. And added some other guys here to
the roster toop ken.

Speaker 8 (01:12:28):
I know he played the last preseason game, and give
him a shot there.

Speaker 22 (01:12:30):
He's also someone who started camp as the kind of
first team starter role.

Speaker 8 (01:12:34):
Why do you think ultimately just didn't work out with him?

Speaker 20 (01:12:36):
Just I'm not trying to, you know, figure those things out,
trying to prepare the team for the Falcons and wish
him the best of luck, and we have a huge
challenge here again taking on his great skill team offensively
with a lot of speed and home run hitting ability.
The defense, it's hardly gives up a lot of yards.

(01:12:59):
Certainly tough throwing the football against him.

Speaker 7 (01:13:03):
A J.

Speaker 20 (01:13:03):
Terrell is having another fantastic gear Baits. If you make
a mistake, it'd be a turnover a lot of young rushers,
you know. So again, those are the things that I'm
focused on right now.

Speaker 7 (01:13:15):
Like to that end, what kind of challenges is Bijon
Robinson present? Many? Many?

Speaker 20 (01:13:20):
I think if you just if there's any crack, he's
gonna test our edge, he's gonna test our wall and uh,
he's gonna test everything we do about having guys swarm
into the football. There have been some good defenses that
he's been able to, you know, gain yards against and
their three victories the average one hundred and eighty six

(01:13:40):
yards a game on the ground. And it's not like
they're manufacturing a lot.

Speaker 7 (01:13:47):
Not a lot of those are the quarterback. It's it's
Bijeon and and Algier.

Speaker 8 (01:13:52):
I think you're seeing from.

Speaker 20 (01:13:54):
Drake maybe before the snap, after the snap that's helping
him have success.

Speaker 8 (01:13:58):
With the deep ball.

Speaker 20 (01:14:00):
Well, I think there's a lot of trust there. I
think it starts with trust. I think just being able
to put it in a position where those guys can
make a play. So again, I think that there's one trust,
there's its location, and then guys are doing a good
job down the field.

Speaker 7 (01:14:16):
I mean, we had one that.

Speaker 20 (01:14:17):
Was you know, taken away earlier in New Orleans with
a with a tough you know decision there from from
the referee.

Speaker 7 (01:14:26):
But you know, that's how it goes.

Speaker 20 (01:14:29):
Even Remindres the other day, you know, Remindre comes down
with the ball, it's just you.

Speaker 7 (01:14:34):
Know, a little a little wide.

Speaker 20 (01:14:36):
And so again, I think the guys that he's been
throwing to have helped him. And I think he stays patient.
I don't think he you know, panics and launches it
or throws it seven yards out of bounds. And but
I think there's been a lot of improvement from from
training camp and seeing some of those passes. And I

(01:14:57):
don't think there was as many completed in the regular
season as there were in preseason. I'm glad they were saved.
I'm glad we saved them for the regular season. So
I think there's a lot of things that go into it.
Certainly when you do those longer developing routes, there has
to be a good pocket, you know, for the quarterback
to step up in. And I think that that's been
the case as well.

Speaker 4 (01:15:18):
With with with things going so well played for you guys,
obviously five s three wins and a lot of handy wins,
uh is it almost challenging in a way to avoid
complacency setting in.

Speaker 20 (01:15:27):
With I think that that's what we're always trying to
to do, is not allow these what have you good times,
you know, soften us up mentally and just let things
slip that you know we didn't you know, things we
weren't doing earlier in the season, or the way that
we prepare the things that we you know, want to

(01:15:50):
believe in as a as a team. And so it's
always a good reminder, especially in this league where anything
could happen. You know, we talk about having an identity,
and you know, the identity doesn't care where you play,
it doesn't care what time it is, and it doesn't
care what the score is.

Speaker 7 (01:16:05):
It just either either have it or you don't.

Speaker 8 (01:16:09):
I was going to say, I think you remember where
the season started.

Speaker 15 (01:16:13):
You told us and the players echo that you want
to be a team who is be stronger in the
second half and first half the games and finished and paraphrasing,
but finished strong. Certainly something we saw in the last
week's game. What do you think are the commonalities that
have made this team stronger in that game?

Speaker 20 (01:16:30):
And I don't think they're conditioning. I think that they're
working during the week. I think they practice hard as
you get into the second half of the game. I
don't think that that we panic based on where the
score is or who's getting the ball or you know.

Speaker 7 (01:16:45):
I think we've adjusted well.

Speaker 20 (01:16:46):
I think our players again, even little things maybe the
speed of the Browns.

Speaker 7 (01:16:51):
And the defense. I think that's hard to recreate early
in the game.

Speaker 20 (01:16:56):
Where there may be one run that we had early
in the game didn't look too hot, and come back
in it later in the game and you see, you know,
lineman getting off on the backer that's running through just
you know, half a step sooner and able to get
the block and get the back through as opposed to.

Speaker 7 (01:17:14):
You know, maybe earlier in the game. It was you know,
it was a little.

Speaker 20 (01:17:17):
Faster than what we had been able to show him
in practice, so the players do a good job of
adjusting to some of those things, and you know, can
still be better, you know, still too sloppy in some
situations and we'll need to you know, be great and
you know, much better in the red zone if we're
able to get down there this week.

Speaker 4 (01:17:35):
Like Michael Pennix and it was obviously out last week,
and you'll have someone certainly to deal with.

Speaker 7 (01:17:40):
I think he's gonna be ealth the other day. You know,
may have to just do a lot between him and cousins.

Speaker 8 (01:17:46):
You have to prepare fully for both guys.

Speaker 20 (01:17:48):
Well, I mean there's more mobility and you know which
hand you're gonna use the match, and you know, that
was the thing I was. I thought we did a
nice job getting our hand on the football that week
with eight PBUs and we got a couple with the
line of scrimmage and the pass rush situation and those
usually end up getting intercepted. So we'll practice, you know,

(01:18:10):
both ways, and you know, we'll have to make sure
that one's.

Speaker 7 (01:18:14):
A little bit more mobile than the other and then
be ready to go.

Speaker 20 (01:18:19):
I think that the concepts are similar, but you know
there'll be some different play styles that are different between
obviously Michael and Kirk.

Speaker 8 (01:18:29):
When you put your game playing together, how much you
can all take a new account appreciating.

Speaker 7 (01:18:35):
Uh No, I don't think that that's something.

Speaker 20 (01:18:39):
You know, we remind him of some things, and maybe
whether it was last week with accrue to had called
a lot of line of scrimmage penalties or the things
we talked about on Wednesday, you know, starting early on
about make sure that the receivers are checking, that they're
looking over, they're looking at the foot, that the defensive
lineman if you think you're close back up. Told the

(01:19:00):
same crew that we had in Miami, and can explain
to those things and say, hey, you know, whether you
think you're in the neutral zone with this particular crew,
you probably are. And maybe you lined up the same
way for three weeks and had a different crew and
somebody called it differently. So we talk about those things,
but as far as game plan and I don't think
that that's something that would go into it. More more

(01:19:23):
reminders and about play style and things that we have
to do and what their mechanics are has.

Speaker 21 (01:19:32):
Been instrumental in helping with the run game stopping minating
this season.

Speaker 3 (01:19:36):
I'm considering you are going against thee on this speech.
Just what have you seen from him this season?

Speaker 8 (01:19:40):
And just why is that he's so well?

Speaker 20 (01:19:42):
I can you know, great teammate first and foremost, great
great person. I love being around him, play square, plays
with his hands, tries to control the blocker, plays with
great effort, and so those things usually help you. You know,

(01:20:02):
at the line of scrimmage defenses of this.

Speaker 8 (01:20:06):
Year, was there any hesitation to shake up the roster
to start since things.

Speaker 1 (01:20:11):
Have been going so well?

Speaker 8 (01:20:12):
Would buy in and just chemistry on the team. Was
there any hesitation about the idea of shaking the roster
this week?

Speaker 20 (01:20:18):
Again, I'll remind you we're eight games into to what
we feel like is, you know, a program that we
want to build and we have to continue to find
ways to improve, figure it and get it right. And
that's all we're trying to do. Whether that's having success

(01:20:39):
early on in the season or mid season or after
the trade deadline, whatever that may be. I think we
just have to continue to take that approach.

Speaker 4 (01:20:46):
How big are the opportunities now for people like del
Pace and lets upon your how much were usual without
those guys?

Speaker 20 (01:20:53):
Yeah, I mean, we we ask everybody to prepare as
a starter, whether they're on the practice squad or they're
on the active roster.

Speaker 7 (01:20:59):
And I know that those guys have been doing that, and.

Speaker 20 (01:21:01):
You know, we'll need everybody through this course of the season.
So that's that's important at every position. Alpins pash rushes
near the top of the league in exact rate time
the pressure blitz, right, I'm curious who and what have
you seen?

Speaker 8 (01:21:12):
It's made them so effecting this season.

Speaker 20 (01:21:14):
Well, they like to send five out of base, you know,
I mean, that's something that they like to do. You know,
I think that they they're penetrating. I think Amenora and
YadA has always been a really good player, you know,
being able to just get guys on the edge, you know,

(01:21:35):
being able to get walker back and seeing where they are.
And Harrison with his length inside, he's kind of like
a hybrid four technique I think, you know, I mean,
haven't seen him since he was in high school in Columbus.
He's gone from like two hundred pounds to now two
hundred and ninety, and that's just the unique matchup for

(01:21:56):
an interior defensive lineman if that that kind of has
that skill set who looks like an outside linebacker but
probably you know rushes inside.

Speaker 7 (01:22:06):
So I think that's helped.

Speaker 20 (01:22:09):
You know, I think that they just are kind of
getting it done by by by a group. They play
a lot of guys, and so by playing a lot
of guys, you get there, you get their best I
would say energy, and you know they're not there's some
games and schemes and other than that, it's usually one
on one and guys are winning one on one. Uh
So that'll put a big premium for us up front

(01:22:32):
when they get us into those five down situations, like.

Speaker 22 (01:22:35):
They're also up there in terms of band coverage that
they play. Is that just again a staple of this
is what we do is how we want to player?

Speaker 8 (01:22:41):
Do you see that? As the teams they face these.

Speaker 7 (01:22:43):
Weeks week play and they do what they do.

Speaker 20 (01:22:46):
They have some wrinkles, but they also have corners Like
you throw it on Torell, he's going to be really
close to his guy and he's going to challenge and compete,
and and the safeties obviously with with Baits and you
know his ability. But you know they put the backers
in coverage and then they all tackle. It's a good
tackling football team. So they don't really give up a

(01:23:08):
lot of big plays because of miss tackles, and they're
able to, you know, turn those catches have some space
maybe in the middlefield into a fifteen yard gain as
opposed to a twenty five or thirty yard game because
because of the way they tackle.

Speaker 8 (01:23:24):
The way Drake handles the demands of that position.

Speaker 20 (01:23:29):
Like wail that kill or from all accounts, I think
fairly well made, pretty low key guy. But you see
him in the community, you see him, you know, I
think that whatever you know, interest he has outside of football,
helping the community and the kids. And he was at

(01:23:51):
the Halloween party last night. It was always involved in
the Special Olympics, and so again I I don't really
monitor what he does a whole lot, but I know
that he's a great representative of this organization.

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Speaker 2 (01:27:33):
Uh so Brabel press conference, nothing really big. Somebody I
don't know who it was did kind of put Mike
in a little bit of a corner. Uh when they're
talking about the trade.

Speaker 7 (01:27:46):
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Speaker 2 (01:27:47):
She said, you know you mentioned that you would I
get I don't know when he said it. In the
summer you said, you know, you really expect ke On
White to be part of, you know, our plans this
year and what happened there, and uh, you know, Rabel
was a little bit well, you know, kind of sidestep
the question, but it was a good a good question

(01:28:07):
to ask because you know, definitely things change.

Speaker 4 (01:28:10):
Yeah, and it's it's a young guy, he's only in
his third year. I kind of with you, and you've
you've talked a lot. I've heard you mentioned this a
lot about he wasn't really this or that in college
like the past rusher that I think people I think
everybody's sort of got blown away by those four sacks
in the first two games last year and thought like,

(01:28:32):
this is the fifteen sack guy, and I don't really
think that's his profile. I pushed back a lot with
Mike and Evan on the safeties when we talked about
Pepper's and Daggar are being on the outs because of
the system change and the scheme changes. And I still
would stand by that. I don't necessarily believe that they
that they can't operate in the way that they play

(01:28:54):
off in defense right now. I do, however, agree with
the system change not being a good thing for Keyon White.
I just think he's the classic tweener at two hundred
and eighty five, or so pounds. He's too big to
play the way they want the guys on the edge.
I think they brought Milton Williams in so there's really

(01:29:14):
no room for him. You know, you're not gonna take
Milton Williams and Christian Barber off the field as an
interior rusher on passing bounds. Why where does he fit?

Speaker 2 (01:29:21):
My hope was with Williams and Barmore the attention they
got would help key On White on the outside.

Speaker 4 (01:29:27):
But who are you taking off the field to put
him on?

Speaker 2 (01:29:29):
Well, you know, whenever he was on, and he never
earned more spots, Like the limited time he was on,
he didn't earn more playing time.

Speaker 4 (01:29:37):
Yeah, I mean, and I also think I don't think
he was a problem per se, But I don't think
he was the easiest guy. No, you know, I think
he had something earlier this year. Masslive dot Com had
some quotes I think, you know, the the og Karen
Griggian had him. You know, he was playing sparingly, you know,

(01:29:59):
and he made a comment like they could put me
at corner as long as I'm getting paid it with
safety but whatever, you know, and I'll do whatever they
asked me to do. They're paying me as long as
they're paying me, you know, So, I mean there's context
to everything, but yeah, I can understand if they were like, yeah,
this guy's probably not long.

Speaker 1 (01:30:15):
For our program.

Speaker 7 (01:30:16):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:30:18):
So yeah, that was the big news last night, Kyle
Dugar and Keon White being traded.

Speaker 4 (01:30:23):
I do think Keon White has some ability. I just
think he doesn't fit perfectly into any system and he'll
always kind of be a I think, a part time
player because of that. Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:30:34):
All right, but there's now six days left before the
trading deadline, so we'll see what happens. We'll see if
the Patriots are buyers. So far they've been sellers. Kyle
and Pembroke a little over undergame this week. I'm assuming
May passing yards two twenty five and a hay.

Speaker 4 (01:30:56):
That's about the number that we've been doing every week.
I'm going to say over.

Speaker 1 (01:31:00):
Me too, made passing touchdowns one and a hey.

Speaker 2 (01:31:04):
I'll say over Okay, Robinson rushing yards seventy five and
a hay.

Speaker 4 (01:31:09):
So I'm gonna break break the mold here. I'm gonna
say over. I just something worries me about him in
this game.

Speaker 2 (01:31:16):
Okay, Pitt's receiving yards fifty and.

Speaker 4 (01:31:19):
A hey, I'm gonna say under there.

Speaker 2 (01:31:24):
And the over under total forty five and a hay
and a half twenty two points each under three points each.

Speaker 4 (01:31:37):
I just had a yeah, I remember the score that
I've been using all week.

Speaker 2 (01:31:41):
Uh, and Kyle predicts the Patriots will win twenty eight
to three.

Speaker 4 (01:31:46):
Wow, I see what he did? You see what he
did there? Yeah, Falcons twenty eight to three. I don't
think you did.

Speaker 1 (01:31:52):
I don't think you did that. You know what?

Speaker 4 (01:31:55):
I got your shame on me? I got your game
on me.

Speaker 1 (01:31:57):
Yep, got you too bad?

Speaker 4 (01:31:58):
We wasted it. Without doucing would have he would have
exploited your email and made money off of it. Somehow.

Speaker 2 (01:32:03):
I wonder if, without any prompting, if Deuce we'll pick
that as a score this week.

Speaker 4 (01:32:08):
I don't believe he did.

Speaker 2 (01:32:09):
Oh did you already know what? Score?

Speaker 4 (01:32:11):
But we did it Monday for the TV show.

Speaker 1 (01:32:13):
Oh okay?

Speaker 4 (01:32:15):
And I try. I don't always succeed. I tried to
pick the same score every time I pick it, but
sometimes I forget all right. Sometimes I even changed the
team I picked to witt.

Speaker 1 (01:32:28):
U Pennsylvania first off.

Speaker 2 (01:32:31):
Phenomenal argument last week between Evan and everyone else. It's
nice now that the team is having some success. There
are things you guys can argue about. But my question
is what happened to the Evan has returned from practice song.
I'm assuming it has to do with timing. That's exactly
what happened.

Speaker 4 (01:32:47):
It doesn't return from practice, right.

Speaker 2 (01:32:49):
But that was a great segment and song, and I'd
love to hear how was the mood again if there
was any grousing among the media contingent. Well, you know
what we'll have to do. We'll have to follow up
with Evan the next day.

Speaker 4 (01:33:00):
Yeah, yeah, just to just to shoehorn the song into
the segment, right. Yeah, that's the problem is is practice
is now at the end of the show, yep, not
during the show.

Speaker 2 (01:33:10):
All right, Ivans in California on the hotline. What's up, Ivan,
Hey Jens, how are you good?

Speaker 7 (01:33:18):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (01:33:19):
Excellent, Paul. I think we're we're kindred spirits today. First off,
with the Chiefs, to me, you've got to be a
complete homer and don't know football if you can't plainly
see that the Chiefs are you know, the Chiefs are
the Chiefs. They are five and three and they add
two of the top weapons missing most of the season,

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and now they're starting to cook. So they're going to
be the toughest out in the playoffs, full stop. And
the fact that anybody else can't see that, I think
is I don't know. To me, you don't have any credibility.
So I'm with you on that one. But when it
comes to the paths, you know, Brabel came in said,
we got to we've got to learn first how to
beat bad foot. Well, ye, well, as you mentioned, the

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weakest schedule in the history of football has allowed us
to do that. And the reality is this a couple
of things. We've been injury free and that's just not
going to happen the whole year because it just doesn't.

Speaker 10 (01:34:14):
It's football.

Speaker 9 (01:34:15):
Secondly, the weather hasn't turned and we have to prove
that we can run the football and I'm still not
convinced with this offensive line that we're going to be
able to do that. So I hope that maybe we
can pick something up with the deadline. I'm not, you know,
holding my holding my breath on that. But yeah, reality
is we're six and two. After the last couple of years,

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I'm just enjoying the ride.

Speaker 1 (01:34:38):
Yeah, Yeah, thanks a lot, man.

Speaker 4 (01:34:41):
I agree with a lot of what Ivan just just
had to say, and I would say, like, I want
to fixate on the Patriots part of it, because no
one cares about the Kansas City part. You're right, that's
what Rabel wanted to do. We want to get in
position where we could take advantage of bad football. And
I think that's tremendous progress that they've in such a
short period of time have not found a way to

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get by against these bad teams. They found a way
to exert dominance at times over these teams. Now it
hasn't always been sixty minutes of dominance, but they've been
able to beat three different teams that are, in my opinion,
at the bottom of the league going away, Carolina, Cleveland,
and Tennessee. They've been able to take three of those

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teams and win going away. I think that's tremendous progress,
and in such a short period of time.

Speaker 2 (01:35:32):
And a little bit more comfortably than we thought they
would ever be able to.

Speaker 4 (01:35:35):
Against the Bills, oh no, they played well against that's
part of this against Buffalo. But I'm just talking about
you want to get in a position to take advantage
of bad football. Well, to your point, against Buffalo, that
was the difference in winning the game. They took advantage
of Buffalo's bad football to returnovers and all those penalties
that night for Buffalo did them in and the Patriots

(01:35:57):
were good enough to take advantage of that year. I
don't think they would have won the game despite Buffalo
playing that sloppy.

Speaker 2 (01:36:03):
Yep, Boston Cream on the line. What's up, Boston Cream?

Speaker 19 (01:36:09):
Hey guys, I don't know if Christian in LA's blue
lemon suit is a little too tight and he's sucking
on the straw of a kale smoothie, there's not enough
air going to his brain. Marking debate was a much
better heel on this show.

Speaker 4 (01:36:22):
Wow, Christian's a good heel. Yeah, I mean you got
to at least give him that. He's a good show heel.

Speaker 2 (01:36:28):
The fact that you don't like him means he's a
good heel.

Speaker 4 (01:36:31):
I means she's doing his job.

Speaker 19 (01:36:34):
Dang it, we're seeing a year two quarterback take a
big leap, much like another quarterback in Patriots history, Drew Bledsoe,
how do the two sophomore seasons kind of looking comparison.
I'm not old enough to have that memory, and what

(01:36:54):
does Drake May need to do to her pastor Bledsoe
in Paul's mind.

Speaker 2 (01:36:58):
Okay, this good one, thanks Boston.

Speaker 4 (01:37:01):
This run that he's on has surpassed anything Drew Bledsoe
ever did. I mean we're just talking about this this
seven game streak. Yeah, I mean, Drew was great in
ninety four, but Drew didn't complete. Drew was lucky if
he completed sixty percent of his passes, let alone seventy five. Okay,
Drew was lucky if he threw more touchdowns than interception.

(01:37:21):
I think he threw more picks and I didn't touchdown
about what about he threw for fifty forty five hundred yards?
I'm not but Drew, what Drake May has done, it's
a different game. But what Drake May has done has
been more impressive.

Speaker 2 (01:37:32):
What about the first half of the season after Drew
left the Patriots. Remember that when he went to Buffalo
and he was he had a good year as an
MVP candidate, that.

Speaker 4 (01:37:42):
He had two good years in Buffalo h three and
oh four. He had actually a really good year in Buffalo.
But he's not he didn't do this ever. Now it's
a much different game. It's a much different game with
the passing the way that they do it now. But
you didn't have this kind of stretch of precise downfield

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throws that that Drake may has had no way.

Speaker 2 (01:38:08):
Yeah, I just remember that when he left the Patriots
that first half of the year, like he was leading
the league in passing. I think he was having an
incredible yew and then he tailed off.

Speaker 4 (01:38:18):
Drew had his moments, but not not consistent like that.
I love Drew, you know that. But yep, I try
to be I try to be objective.

Speaker 2 (01:38:28):
Jacka says, uh, does Fred want to reconsider his invitation
for Paul to get more engaged now that Paul has
become engaged. It's like the scene from Clash of the
Titans in which Zeus Orders released the Kraken.

Speaker 4 (01:38:40):
He asked me, yeah, this is what you want.

Speaker 2 (01:38:43):
All it took was a couple of callers. They get
you going.

Speaker 4 (01:38:46):
Yeah. So and it is like my Krypton I and
I know it doesn't speak well of me.

Speaker 1 (01:38:51):
It just you just don't like fans.

Speaker 2 (01:38:54):
I just do admit it.

Speaker 1 (01:38:55):
You don't like fans.

Speaker 4 (01:38:56):
No, I don't like all fans. It's not it's not
that I don't like fans. There are plenty that I
that are like Ivan, when you just called in, it's like,
I don't like going from zero to Like last year,
I just got I got just as annoyed the other way. Fred.
Every game was like we stink, We're never gonna do it.

(01:39:17):
We can't do that, Like it was such like this,
like they were doing something personal to you.

Speaker 1 (01:39:22):
I'm embarrassed.

Speaker 4 (01:39:23):
Yes, that that like, and that bothered me every bit
as much, everything as much. And now all of a sudden,
you win a game, and then you win another game,
and you win three in a row and it bang. Yeah,
it's like completely flips the script the other way. And
now it's like, well, you know, we're back, like we've
never lost the game, and everybody around the league is like,

(01:39:46):
I can't believe the Patriots this script, like like why
can't you just like enjoy the ride? Why does everything
have to be such extremes? Yep, And like I said,
the last two years, the host game show like people
calling in, it's like a personal affront. Every loss was
a personal like attack on the on each caller.

Speaker 1 (01:40:07):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (01:40:07):
That wasn't any fun either.

Speaker 2 (01:40:10):
Paul in the Colony has a quick question. Can you
explain how the Patriots are able to tear up the
final two years of Douglas's contract. Well, whatever portion of
that contract wasn't guaranteed now they're not going to have.

Speaker 1 (01:40:21):
They did something.

Speaker 4 (01:40:22):
They did something to tear up the contract. I don't
know what they did.

Speaker 2 (01:40:24):
Well, they have to pay some of it.

Speaker 4 (01:40:26):
I think they're paying some of this year. Yeah, but
they agreed, the parties agreed, and Dugger had to agree
to it in some way, shape or form that those
last two years are gone. He's on a one year
contract now, Ugger, so he's going to be a free
agent at the end of the year. They must have
had to pay Dugger had to do something to agree

(01:40:48):
to that. I don't know exactly. I don't know all
the details, but the email is right. There's that's not
a common that's not a common thing, and it allowed
the Patriots to get some flexibility for twenty six and
twenty seven.

Speaker 2 (01:41:00):
So they must have just paid him something.

Speaker 1 (01:41:03):
This year they're paid.

Speaker 4 (01:41:04):
I don't know if they paid him any extra, but
they're paying some of his remaining contract for the rest
of this year. I don't know what the numbers. I mean,
I've I've read like rap report I think said they're playing,
you know, a good chunk of the deal this year.

Speaker 1 (01:41:19):
I see.

Speaker 4 (01:41:20):
I keep seeing vague terms like that, like a lot,
big chunk, and until someone actually tells me what it is,
I'm a little skeptical of that. Well, but I don't
know why the last two years of that deal completely gone.

Speaker 7 (01:41:33):
Now.

Speaker 4 (01:41:34):
I think Kyle Dugger and his representatives had to agree
to something. But you're right, maybe they gave him a
little something extra to agreeable.

Speaker 2 (01:41:41):
Well can can the team he went to give him
more and then the Patriots paid for that, and that
was the agreement?

Speaker 4 (01:41:50):
What do you mean?

Speaker 7 (01:41:50):
What the like?

Speaker 2 (01:41:51):
He goes to the new team, and the new team says,
we're gonna we're gonna rip up your old contract, right,
We're gonna give you a new one.

Speaker 4 (01:42:00):
But they didn't give him a new one.

Speaker 2 (01:42:01):
For this year, and the Patriots are going to pay that.

Speaker 4 (01:42:05):
Yeah, I don't think that. I think he's just in
this contract this year or the contract like they I don't.
I don't have the details.

Speaker 1 (01:42:13):
So maybe somebody is dangerous.

Speaker 2 (01:42:15):
Somebody does.

Speaker 4 (01:42:16):
Yeah, I haven't seen anybody yet. It's it's like the
Marcus Jones contract it's reportedly it's it's thirty six million
in new money three years, but like, is it a
three year to thirty six million dollar deal? So it's
not a thirty six million dollar guarantee. Because I saw
people talking about he got thirty six million guaranteed. I

(01:42:37):
don't think that's the case. I haven't seen those numbers
yet either.

Speaker 2 (01:42:40):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:42:41):
So I think sometimes with these contracts and these different things,
it's best to like wait a week or so, let
the dust tuttle, and then someone will report the actual number.

Speaker 2 (01:42:50):
But there's no there's no way a player in his
right mind's going to say, oh, yeah, just tear it up.
You don't have to pay me anything. So there had
to be something.

Speaker 4 (01:42:56):
I would agree with you that that's that's why I
credit the email, or like there's something that's that's odd,
that's out of sort of you.

Speaker 1 (01:43:05):
Know, out of the now.

Speaker 2 (01:43:07):
Like I said, any portion of that contract that wasn't
guaranteed is gone, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:43:12):
Yeah, but he had base salaries that were at least
partially guaranteed that had gone right right somehow, Like I
don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:43:19):
Usually they accelerate well no, no, no, like this year.

Speaker 4 (01:43:25):
He's still under contract. I don't think this year was touched.
I don't think this year was reduced. Whatever he had
partially guaranteed in twenty six and twenty seven has reportedly.
I should say, I'm not reporting this. This is what
the reports indicate have been eliminated.

Speaker 2 (01:43:42):
What if his guarantees were roster bonuses.

Speaker 4 (01:43:47):
If it was a guaranteed, I don't know, then he gets.

Speaker 2 (01:43:49):
It, not if he's no, Like, what if they were
roster bonuses for the next two years, he doesn't. He
doesn't get those right.

Speaker 4 (01:43:56):
Not unless he gets cut right, So he was you know.

Speaker 1 (01:44:01):
No, Well, okay, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:44:03):
I don't know. Well, maybe somebody can tell, like he.

Speaker 4 (01:44:05):
Would be under contract for Pittsburgh. According to what people
are tweeting on the Dugger deal, those two years were gone.
They are now gone. They no longer exist again, this
is reported. I am not reporting any of this, right,
I don't have any of this information.

Speaker 2 (01:44:22):
That would be history making the first player in history
to say you don't have to pay me what you
owe me. There had there had to be some something done,
some manipulation done in order to get this this deal.
Let's go to Mark in Connecticut.

Speaker 7 (01:44:41):
What's up, Mark, How are we doing?

Speaker 5 (01:44:44):
Guys?

Speaker 2 (01:44:45):
Okay?

Speaker 14 (01:44:47):
Oh, I never get a chance to get a hold
of you on the post game. You guys are always
too busy.

Speaker 4 (01:44:52):
Yeah yeah, sometimes we get a little bit bogged down.
That's that's on us. We could do better with.

Speaker 14 (01:44:59):
That, now, that's okay. Yeah, but no, Paul, I wanted
to get your take the kid from the Giants, that
edge rusher that might be available. What's his name?

Speaker 4 (01:45:11):
Yeah, I don't think he's available. I think that's a
huge part of the Giants defense. I think they love
that three. They have Brian Burns, Kayshawn Thibodeau, and Abdul Carter,
the rookie out of Penn State, and I think they
love those guys. I mean again, I don't know that
for sure, but Trey Hendrickson is a guy train Yeah

(01:45:33):
you okay?

Speaker 7 (01:45:33):
Mark?

Speaker 5 (01:45:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:45:35):
Okay?

Speaker 4 (01:45:35):
Oh high Mark, Yeah, no, I I that's what That's
what I'm looking at, Mark, is exactly what you are.
I want. I want an edge rusher. I think Trey
Hendrickson could be a possibility, you know, especially with that
Jets win over Cincinnati, that might be enough for Cincinnati
to say we are you gonna do it. But he's old, right, Paul,

(01:45:56):
he's like thirty.

Speaker 14 (01:45:58):
Yeah, the kid from the Giants, though he is young,
So if you can.

Speaker 4 (01:46:02):
That's why the Giants ain't gonna trade him, Okay, I
mean that would be my guess.

Speaker 7 (01:46:08):
Yep.

Speaker 14 (01:46:09):
Yeah, No, I know Ryan Cowden's got connections there. I
know Mike's got connections there. So I figured, you know what,
if there's anybody that can pull them away, it might be.

Speaker 4 (01:46:17):
I think that'd be a great move. I would take
that in a heartbeat. Absolutely. I like it.

Speaker 1 (01:46:21):
I like it all right, Thanks, Mark, appreciate the call.

Speaker 4 (01:46:26):
So this is just like I just did a quick Google,
and you know, this is what comes up on the
like the AI overview. I don't know, Oh.

Speaker 1 (01:46:32):
God, you know I'm going to go with Ani.

Speaker 4 (01:46:34):
Dougars contract has been reworked as part of his trade
to Pittsburgh, wiping out the final two years of his
original four year extension. The Patriots will pay the majority
of his remaining five point five million five point four
million dollar base salary for twenty five and one million
in per game bonuses, making him a free agent after
this season. So it doesn't indicate any new money there, no,

(01:46:55):
it just says it's been.

Speaker 1 (01:46:56):
Reworked, reworked and up and reworked.

Speaker 4 (01:47:01):
So I don't know what the specifics are for that.

Speaker 2 (01:47:04):
Yeah, Okay, who cares?

Speaker 1 (01:47:08):
No, I'm just you know, I'm not getting that to you.

Speaker 2 (01:47:11):
I'm just saying in general, who cares? You know what?

Speaker 4 (01:47:13):
Yeah, he's Pittsburgh. He's Pittsburgh's problem.

Speaker 2 (01:47:15):
Yeah, all these salaried things.

Speaker 1 (01:47:17):
I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:47:17):
It's not my money. Who cares.

Speaker 4 (01:47:19):
I'm glad you finally see it my way.

Speaker 2 (01:47:22):
Oh, I like but this next email, Jeff, who calls
himself the Southern Patriot, he's in Hickory, North Carolina. With
the move and trading key On Yesterday's at a foreshadowing
and maybe trading for Hendrickson. Bengals aren't going anywhere that
will slam the window on the Bill's fingers. So now
that would cost some money, right.

Speaker 4 (01:47:44):
Yeah, whatever the pro rated portion of whatever his deal
has left. But yeah, that they have the money.

Speaker 2 (01:47:51):
No, I know, but they'd have to spend some money
to get Hendrickson.

Speaker 4 (01:47:54):
And they have to spend some draft capital too, probably. Yeah,
they're not going to just give him away, right, I
don't think you're going to swap a seventh round pick
for him.

Speaker 2 (01:48:01):
No, they wouldn't be just get the Bengals, wouldn't be
just getting rid of him, get rid of money.

Speaker 4 (01:48:06):
He's going to be out gone at the end of
the year anyway. Yeah, you're better off just keeping them
if you're not going to get anything for him.

Speaker 2 (01:48:13):
So let's do it.

Speaker 4 (01:48:14):
I would absolutely let's do it. I think that makes
a lot of sense. I meant to look up how
old he was. I think he's thirty.

Speaker 2 (01:48:21):
Yeah, thirty. Thirty one kind of rings a bell.

Speaker 4 (01:48:27):
Yeah, he's thirty. Yep, there'll be thirty one in December. Okay,
So I would do that, you know, a rental, one
year rental for him. No, I'm not giving up a
first round pick or anything, you know, but like mid
round pick, you'd give a third Yeah, maybe if I
had to. I don't know, if it seems high.

Speaker 2 (01:48:45):
I think I would.

Speaker 4 (01:48:46):
I think I would, But yeah, I mean I think
I think he would really bowl so the pass rush,
and I think they're really thin beyond Landry and Chase On.
I don't think they have much of their.

Speaker 1 (01:48:59):
Nikola an Oslo Norway.

Speaker 2 (01:49:01):
Yesterday, you discussed whether Booty was a Pro Bowl receiver
or not. In my mind, he's really good player who
does what is asked of him, but he's not a
Pro bowler. He's one of the very best wide receivers
in the AFC. Oh, he's not one of the very
best in the AFC. My question is whether the Patriots
have any players who you think, based on what you've
seen so far this season, would merit a Pro Bowl

(01:49:23):
selection other than Drake May. Maybe Marcus Jones as a returner.
I think that the fact that the Patriots lacked big
stars strengthens May's MVP candidacy.

Speaker 4 (01:49:33):
I agree with that last part wholeheartedly, and I think
we made mention of that's I think was a big
part of Josh Allen's candidacy last year. Didn't have a
lot around him. I think Marcus Jones, yeah, as a returner, absolutely.
What about Milton Williams. Milton Williams is the guy that
I would bring up first. I don't know, you know,

(01:49:54):
I don't know how he stacks up, you know, statistically
to those other guys, you know, like Jeffrey Simmons and
uh yeah, Chris Jones. You know, those are the interior
guys that you know, I don't know all those different guys.
But yeah, Milton Williams, you know, Gonzales is always I
think he's I think he's considered one of the better
corners in the league now, so I think he's always

(01:50:15):
going to be in that mix coaches and players with
sartan In, uh In Stingly and those kinds of guys.
But he's right, they don't have a lot of guys
that stand up.

Speaker 3 (01:50:26):
From the locker room.

Speaker 17 (01:50:27):
What was the mood where the players friendly to that.

Speaker 9 (01:50:30):
None of them looked like Derek Henry.

Speaker 4 (01:50:32):
Hey, Mike, what was it like in the locker room, Mike?

Speaker 7 (01:50:39):
What was it like?

Speaker 1 (01:50:41):
Hello?

Speaker 4 (01:50:41):
Everyone?

Speaker 1 (01:50:42):
Hey Mike, I'm back. How you doing.

Speaker 4 (01:50:43):
That's good?

Speaker 1 (01:50:44):
Oh, I was busy. It was busy today. Lot of media.

Speaker 2 (01:50:47):
Always been busy.

Speaker 6 (01:50:48):
I mean, it's just picking up, picking up, And of
course Stefon Diggs always goes on Wednesday, so we had
a big media contingent crowding around his locker and me
and Cassidy, the camera person I was with, were like, man,
he's not gonna like this, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:51:00):
But he was a good sport about it.

Speaker 6 (01:51:01):
He weaved his way in and I thought an interesting
takeaway though a couple of things were he said he
gave the game ball for his first touchdown to the
training staff who helped him get back on the field,
and so that was that was That was a nice
just a nice thing, just a nice thing. And then
another funny question asked him about the Josh miked up
thing that we talked about, and he said he, I
didn't know he's miked up. So I think that's like

(01:51:23):
a it's not like an unwritten rule in football. You
got to one of these guys say hey, I'm miked up. Yeah,
but no good stuff from from Diggs at all, talking
about being a leader and you know, again he's a
veteran coming in here. And then we talked to Marcus
Jones as well, excited about the deal. Didn't realize he
didn't have an agent. He's the one who said he
negotiated the contract himself, which is always interesting. But excited

(01:51:45):
to be here, excited to stick with New England. This
is where he said he he wanted to be. And
lastly we talked to Christian Zalez who happy for Marcus
Jones and you know, felt you know, sad to see
key On White and Doug or go, but excited for
them to get a new start and I guess there
was a report today that Drake London's back at practice,
so he's looking forward to facing him.

Speaker 1 (01:52:05):
I guess they did go against each other in college
a little bit.

Speaker 6 (01:52:07):
I think it must have been back when Gonzalez was
a Colorado but said, you know, we're different players now,
I was a sophomore.

Speaker 1 (01:52:14):
We were younger that he got me on a couple.
I got him on a couple. So something maybe to
look back at.

Speaker 6 (01:52:19):
But seems like if if London's gonna play, it's probably
a really good thing for the Falcon.

Speaker 2 (01:52:22):
So players were asked about dugg Er and White a.

Speaker 6 (01:52:26):
Little bit, you know, and it's just, yeah, what are
you gonna doz and happy, you know, hope they do well. Yeah,
and then you know, and then dig saying, you know,
we got we got plenty on our plate to deal with,
but you know, wishing those guys the best. So uh yeah,
they know, back in shells and looks like it's getting
a little cold out there. You're seeing guys start to
bundle up. You can just you know, you just feel
the season kind of going by. And I don't know

(01:52:47):
if it's the fact that they're winning, but I think
just everybody you seem to talk to was like, my god,
it's already week nine, Like it just seems like it's
really going by fast, having fun. Yeah, I guess so
you guys know more about that than me. But it
feels like usually you know, the four win seasons, this
is about when it starts to grind to a hall
and they're like, oh my god, your career is sad.
We started on twenty nineteen or like a little taste
of Brady, you know, the playoffs, and before I know,

(01:53:09):
I want to get back to those thirteen wins seasons
for that's that's what we got to get.

Speaker 1 (01:53:12):
My get one, that's what I want. That's what I want.
So it's good, but good vibes and I just packed,
you know, just continues to anyone, anyone notable.

Speaker 4 (01:53:21):
There is a new guy who I think is somewhat notable.
Only they signed a guy to the practice squad. Running
back to Ernest Johnson. There's a guy who's had some.

Speaker 10 (01:53:32):
Players.

Speaker 7 (01:53:33):
Oh so.

Speaker 1 (01:53:35):
Uh no, there are some familiar faces.

Speaker 6 (01:53:36):
It's hard to tell where they're from though, you unless
you scope out there their badges or their you know,
their day passes, but certainly is increased and you know,
it's just it's a lot more of the vibe of
twenty nineteen when I got here, when it was like
oh Brady, oh Edelman, they go to Oh, let's go
to High Tower, you know, and you're hopping kind of
from scrum to scrum around star Player and you know,
now that's that's kind of coming back. You go to
Stefan Diggs, you go to Marcus Jones, you go to

(01:53:57):
Christian Gonzalez. You're starting to feel that the talent and
you know, just the desire for people to hear from
these guys.

Speaker 1 (01:54:02):
And ask him questions. So it's so it's.

Speaker 2 (01:54:04):
Good, all right. And uh, our Weekly Eye on Evan's
segment brought to us by Sonny's car Wash.

Speaker 1 (01:54:11):
Where was Evan today?

Speaker 6 (01:54:13):
He's in there. I just I kept catching eyes and good. Now,
granted I got to say.

Speaker 2 (01:54:16):
He's lost in the scrum.

Speaker 6 (01:54:17):
In my defense, I was buried in the dig scrum
and it took him a while to get out there,
so I wasn't able to clock Evan like I usually
am where I you know, say, oh, he's sidling up
to some phone or something.

Speaker 1 (01:54:30):
Track him.

Speaker 6 (01:54:30):
But uh, but no, he was, you know, he was
in there floating around. You know, he has the siddles
up and has his little conversations and you know, get
some insight onto the finer points of the exits and
nose he looked prefaces a lot of one of that.
You know, this might be a dumb question, you know,
but but the guys that I've seen at least are
always you know, I think I'm a.

Speaker 2 (01:54:47):
Little worried because, like for the second day in a row,
I think he left the show a little bit. Uh
you know, I think it was good.

Speaker 4 (01:54:54):
I thought he was good today today.

Speaker 2 (01:54:56):
I don't think he likes arguing.

Speaker 6 (01:54:58):
No, I think he I thought he was good to
day and we've got a lot of exits and no
talk at the expensive participating No.

Speaker 4 (01:55:04):
I shared off the air with Fred that Evan has
made a goal of not arguing with Fred, and.

Speaker 1 (01:55:10):
We certainly realized that Fred's like a master manipulator.

Speaker 4 (01:55:13):
And it lasted two minutes and thirty seconds into the show.

Speaker 1 (01:55:17):
We got an argument with The.

Speaker 2 (01:55:19):
Way I take it from Evan is like it's not
even worth because he knows.

Speaker 1 (01:55:22):
Nothing that's not exactly right exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:55:26):
I can't have a argument with him or getting fired.

Speaker 1 (01:55:29):
It's so funny, you bring that up though, because as
soon as the PFF and Fred was kind of like,
what's it the PF, Like he kind of did one
of those and I could just feel Evan all that,
like what what what? What's wrong with the PFF? Like
what what? What?

Speaker 7 (01:55:39):
What?

Speaker 1 (01:55:39):
Fred?

Speaker 4 (01:55:40):
We could do shows. I could go on rants for shows,
but I'm not going to do that.

Speaker 2 (01:55:46):
Yeah, we already had ours.

Speaker 1 (01:55:47):
So we're done with.

Speaker 4 (01:55:48):
With the whole locker room breakdown. Because I find an
interesting that's that's three running backs signed to the practice squad.

Speaker 1 (01:55:54):
Yeah one and got moved to practice squad.

Speaker 4 (01:55:57):
I ar yesterday?

Speaker 1 (01:55:58):
Oh I didn't.

Speaker 4 (01:55:59):
Yeah, okay, one of those still too. And Jared Johnson
is the kind of running back that I sort of
he wasn't one of you know, we were talking about
Jerome Ford. Just an NFL player, not a star, just
a guy who's been rounds a little. Yes, the Browns
and he was on the Titans. I think he's been
on the Cardinals. So he's around. He's not going to

(01:56:19):
move the needle. But that's a veteran running back that
gives you a little bit of a layer of depth.
I think he's a guy who's carried the ball in
the NFL before and can you know, be on the
practice squad and if it works out, it works out,
if he's got nothing left or whatever, you know, you
move on. Maybe he's gone in a day or two.
But I think there's another guy, so maybe edge Rusher Mike,

(01:56:43):
all right, a couple of quick calls, we'll wrap up
Edge Rusher.

Speaker 2 (01:56:46):
Jerry's in LA. What's up, Jerry?

Speaker 1 (01:56:48):
Hello, Jerry?

Speaker 2 (01:56:50):
Yeah, part of hey, uh.

Speaker 10 (01:56:56):
What is what is this great?

Speaker 19 (01:56:57):
What is the treat of the thing this team needs?

Speaker 12 (01:57:00):
Uh, you know, to get up a better and then
with the trees that you guys would like to see,
no matter the draft capital that we have to give up.

Speaker 2 (01:57:08):
We just talked about it. Trey Hendrickson.

Speaker 4 (01:57:11):
I mean, I'm that's my guy.

Speaker 2 (01:57:12):
I'm willing to give a third for him and then
pay him, you know, the rest of his money. So
that's my guy. Yeah, I mean, you do that, and
somebody mentioned you do that and the window is firmly
slam shut off those fingers. Yeah, okay, okay, all right,
thanks Jerry.

Speaker 6 (01:57:31):
I mean i'd throw shoot Thibodeaux, you know with with
why isn't you just had a call from Marking Connecticut,
who said the same thing.

Speaker 4 (01:57:40):
Why are the Giants trading him?

Speaker 1 (01:57:42):
Because they have three at rushers. They paid three guys,
really good players.

Speaker 4 (01:57:46):
They didn't pay one of them is a rookie, right
and paid him.

Speaker 1 (01:57:49):
But I don't know that's why.

Speaker 4 (01:57:50):
Actually two of them are really good contract it sounds
like ideal to me, Like I have three studs at
this position. This is the centerpiece of my defense. But
you know, everybody, everybody else is with you.

Speaker 2 (01:58:00):
Thomas is in La. Hey, Thomas, Hey, how are you
guys doing okay?

Speaker 19 (01:58:07):
Hey, So I have a prediction.

Speaker 12 (01:58:11):
I believe that the Patriots are going to trade for
Caveon Thibodeaux.

Speaker 1 (01:58:16):
Yeah, so you who wrote this?

Speaker 2 (01:58:18):
Who started this?

Speaker 7 (01:58:19):
Someone?

Speaker 4 (01:58:20):
Someone clearly started it. But if the Giants.

Speaker 11 (01:58:24):
Doesn't agree, huh.

Speaker 12 (01:58:26):
But I just have a feeling, and it would be
great because I'm from LA I'm gonna make my trip
out to Boston for the Giants game. I just I
have a feeling that he'll be on the Patriots when
I'm at that game.

Speaker 4 (01:58:36):
I think that would be great. Question, I think that
would be great. That's I think it'll be perfect for
what they need. They need some juice on Thanks Thomas.
I like Thodeau.

Speaker 6 (01:58:45):
I mean it's it's a little bit of a fantasy.
I would say, of like, wow, that would be a
real for a young player.

Speaker 2 (01:58:50):
On our schedule. Does that decrease the odds of that happening?

Speaker 4 (01:58:54):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:58:54):
No, no?

Speaker 6 (01:58:55):
And I mean I think if I was the Giants, though,
and I'm going to give up that piece, I want
something significant.

Speaker 4 (01:59:00):
So what do you what do you think you would
have to give up for him?

Speaker 2 (01:59:02):
M I mean maybe a second maybe.

Speaker 4 (01:59:04):
Second or third. Yeah, I would do it me too.
I don't know if it would cost you that much.
I think it kind of always costs a little less
than you think. Yeah, but I would do it. My
only thing was just the Giants seem like they have
a little something going.

Speaker 1 (01:59:19):
No, that's fair.

Speaker 4 (01:59:20):
Why wouldn't he be part of their future because he's young? Yep,
still on his rookie contract.

Speaker 6 (01:59:24):
Yeah, I you know, I just say to the connection, Shoot,
I'm gonna blank on the defensive coordinator for the Giants
last name name. But he you know, he was Rabel's
defensive coordinator too, So you think maybe there's some crossover
there in terms of philosophy and scheme and stuff. But
I think he's kind of the pipe dream. I mean,
Trey Hendrickson is an older player. That's usually the kind.

Speaker 1 (01:59:42):
Of guys that get traded, you know, guy who I
don't know.

Speaker 6 (01:59:44):
Tibota is probably what like twenty six, I mean, he's
still like young in his prime.

Speaker 1 (01:59:48):
Might be a bit of a pipe dream, but that's
why we that's why we like to spect. All right,
that's gonna be it.

Speaker 2 (01:59:53):
Bring him this edition of Patriots Unfiltered. We'll be back
tomorrow on Thursday with our final show of the week,
our picks, and until then, thanks for watching today.

Speaker 3 (02:00:07):
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