Patriots Unfiltered 10/7: Breaking Down Week 5 Divisional Win Over the Bills

Tune-in as we breakdown the Patriots primetime divisional victory over the Buffalo Bills. We discuss standout performances from Drake Maye, Stefon Diggs and the Patriots defense. We talk the reported season-ending injury of Antonio Gibson, what the means for the running back room and possible signings the Patriots can make to mend that roster hole. Plus, we discuss whether the results of the game raises the Patriots win ceiling or changes the way we can look at the remainder of the schedule.

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:18):
It's like a Spink award or something like that. Sink
not the sprink, not that award.

Speaker 3 (00:25):
What is the expected gain on that play? So it's
not average? No, it's an expected This is what the
expected outcome in this situation would be versus what is
the actual outcome of the play?

Speaker 4 (00:36):
If I say I expect you to be a nerd,
it's based on.

Speaker 1 (00:40):
That you've been a nerd.

Speaker 4 (00:41):
Dames Pettigrew says Alex needs a better poker face when
Fred starts calling Evan a nerd.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
Shoot, you know what I'm I think Buffalo is going
to win the game.

Speaker 5 (00:50):
What Buffalo wins?

Speaker 1 (00:52):
Nope?

Speaker 2 (00:53):
The Patriots will go into Buffalo, yes, and have an
opportunity to establish themselves as an up and coming team
on the rise. Okay, a playoff contender if you will,
they will do it. The Patriots thirty four, Buffalo thirty three.
Wowy a late scoring drive.

Speaker 4 (01:11):
Oh lord, the Bills are four to ozho They're not
going seventeen and Oh somebody's gonna.

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Speaker 1 (01:28):
All right, welcome the Patriots Unfiltered.

Speaker 4 (01:30):
It is victory Tuesday here at Jiles Stadium, a big
win Sunday night, in front of a national May I say,
worldwide audience, the New England Patriots are on the rise,
because it.

Speaker 1 (01:44):
Was you're on the come.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
But I think you're right worldwide woni Verso I think
it was.

Speaker 4 (01:48):
A universe Yeah, So, I mean what else can we
say that hasn't already been said over?

Speaker 1 (01:55):
Just about Drake.

Speaker 2 (01:56):
May and I just putting up pants back on since
the postgame shot we were we were all in.

Speaker 1 (02:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:01):
Actually phone lines were stacked at like twelve forty.

Speaker 1 (02:04):
Five low energy though low show.

Speaker 2 (02:07):
Well, I will say one thing about one negative thing
about the show. Yeah, it was about eight million degrees
in here. Was was a very unseasonably warm day, but
it was really really hot studio.

Speaker 1 (02:17):
The fans were a little bit like, I don't little.

Speaker 2 (02:20):
Agree and my hat to have an intervention with the fans.
At one point I thought you would make fun of us.

Speaker 4 (02:25):
No, I expected like, you know, we're going to the
super Bowl, and no, it's more like, well, you know,
I need to see more.

Speaker 1 (02:36):
I don't blame them.

Speaker 2 (02:37):
Some people were just cautious by yeah, by nature. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (02:39):
And it's and we've been heard a lot before, and
I mean we're trying to think of women a lot before.

Speaker 2 (02:45):
Five years title, it's.

Speaker 3 (02:46):
Been five years at games, five long years.

Speaker 1 (02:51):
But that was I don't want to say it's a
signature win.

Speaker 4 (02:54):
I talk about this in the PFW TV show because
I think there's more wins to come. And I think
when I think signature wins, I think of you know,
big things. But this is definitely their best win.

Speaker 7 (03:06):
What about a breakout performance?

Speaker 2 (03:07):
Absolutely, I think it's absolutely in the breakout Yeah, finish
the sentence, best I think since since Belichick left the
Super Bowl, right, super Bowl fifty three, That is my answer.

Speaker 4 (03:19):
Yeah, I mean, I mean hard to compare to Super
Bowl Brady and Belichick left.

Speaker 8 (03:23):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (03:23):
I didn't say this is as big as a super Bowl,
but it's the biggest win since. Now you can make
an argument for one of those wins in twenty one,
even the buffal will win in twenty It was Obar
the number one seed.

Speaker 3 (03:34):
Yeah, right, and it was obviously under weird circumstance winding,
but the win game in twenty twenty one was a
big deal.

Speaker 2 (03:39):
Yeah, it was. It was I think this was bigger.

Speaker 1 (03:42):
We were all excited after that, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 6 (03:44):
But it was also that nature of that game that
it was like, yeah, but I mean this wasn't yeah,
but this was everything we've been talking about of needing
a quarterback who can do it in any circumstances and
needing a receiver who can do it in any circumstances.

Speaker 2 (03:58):
And those were the two biggest things that were on display.

Speaker 6 (04:01):
When you get into the bottom half of the league,
that's what you're searching for, trying to find that quarterback.
And Drake May continue to prove each week that he's
looking like that guy.

Speaker 1 (04:08):
Right, Yeah, that's the.

Speaker 4 (04:09):
Number one story is Drake May and his performance, and
it's been getting better every week.

Speaker 1 (04:14):
I mean, like what he's doing.

Speaker 4 (04:17):
We were saying, you know, well we need to see
that game where it's all on Drake May's shoulders and
he takes the team and leads them to a victory.

Speaker 1 (04:25):
Well we got it.

Speaker 6 (04:25):
I mean we got it, and I mean almost to
a comical effect with that first player where there's literally
players like draped off of him and he somehow completed
that pass. Great performance by him. I gotta give him credit.
That's what I've been looking for. And you know, if
he continues to have those kind of performances, he's going
to enter that strata of guys that you got better
make sure they're dead. You better make sure the clock
is zero, zero, zero.

Speaker 2 (04:44):
Because this guy can make all kinds of plays no
matter how it's been going.

Speaker 1 (04:47):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (04:48):
And you know he does it with his feet, does
it with his arms, his awareness of where the pressure.

Speaker 1 (04:53):
Is coming from, with people in his face.

Speaker 2 (04:56):
Yeah, I mean, it's just he did it all I said.

Speaker 6 (04:59):
I mean, I'm sure I don't have plenty to say
about Drake's performance after watching the film, but even like
my little Deuce review, like I just think he was
a little sped up and amped up in the first half,
Like I think it could have been an even better
game for him. I think he left a bunch on
the field in the first half too, So you know,
I think that's for me. The positive coming out is
that there's still road to travel, you know, things to

(05:19):
be conquered.

Speaker 1 (05:20):
For him, but what a performance.

Speaker 2 (05:22):
Part of that makes me even more enthusiastic about maybe
because I agree. I thought it was a subpar first half.
I thought he looked a little schedish in the pocket.
I didn't think he looked comfortable. I say this all
the time. You know, like a pitcher, any pitcher can
pitch well when he's got his stuff, when everything is working,
what do you do when maybe you didn't get off
to a great start, maybe you weren't necessarily throwing it

(05:44):
where you wanted to throw. I think it says a
lot more about a guy's resilience to come back and
have that second half after a kind of just yeah,
okay first half, and you know the Bills that was
damn me perfect in the second and the Bills.

Speaker 4 (05:57):
Came out in the second half and they school and
is like, Okay, you know, we're gonna have to score
some points here, and.

Speaker 1 (06:04):
They did right away, and they did they answered right away.

Speaker 6 (06:07):
Yeah, yeah, that was I was really focused on the
defense yesterday, and I just I kind of fell in
love with the defense a little bit yesterday.

Speaker 1 (06:14):
I mean, I'm kind of getting.

Speaker 6 (06:14):
It, but they're just so aggressive and I just love
going down like that, like, look, the other team's gonna
make some plays. Josh Allen's really good. Their scheme is
really good. They're gonna get guys open. They're gonna put
your guys in bad positions at times, but at the
end of the day, when it comes down to a
critical third down, you know that Milton Williams and Christian
Barmore are gonna be.

Speaker 1 (06:34):
Problems on that play.

Speaker 6 (06:35):
And that, to me is the fruition of seeing those
two guys up front, seeing the coverage of Christian Gonzalez
and Carlton Davis and Marcus Jones, who I thought had
the best game of his career at cornerback. I mean,
he's just looked like he Jones. He was sticky, he
was physical, and you can see guys that we've watched
play over the last few years under Belichick and Mayo

(06:57):
playing with the Raabel style.

Speaker 1 (06:58):
I mean, Marcus.

Speaker 2 (06:59):
Jones is getting in there.

Speaker 6 (07:01):
Evan pointed out the one play where Josh kind of
you know, was getting sack, flipped it to Shakir and
then they were like, literally six guys got a hit
on Shakir, And I said, this is a play that
they're going to show in the in the coaches in
the tape, and this is how we want to play
gang tackling everyone around the ball, everyone getting a hit, and.

Speaker 2 (07:18):
There's three more guys standing over. I'm ready to jump
in there if they.

Speaker 4 (07:20):
And it's so funny about Marcus Jones because you know,
you see him, he's not afraid to play the run,
get his nose in there. And before the game, I
was going down the elevator in the hotel. Door opens
and in comes Marcus Jones, and I remember at that moment.

Speaker 1 (07:34):
Thinking, man, he's tiny.

Speaker 4 (07:36):
Yeah, like I'm as big as he is, you know,
like I'm obviously wider than he is, and like and
then and then I remember that image. And then the
game comes and I see him make a tackle at
the line on a run plan and I'm like, it's
freaking amazing.

Speaker 2 (07:51):
And he's on Ken Coleman downfield making it, you know,
a pass defense.

Speaker 1 (07:54):
Most people his sides would be broken in half if
they tried that.

Speaker 2 (07:57):
Yeah, I mean there's no question his size. He gets
some tards, get it.

Speaker 1 (08:00):
And I mean, I think gonna play like that.

Speaker 2 (08:02):
Joe Brady saying, perfect, we want Coleman on Marcus Jones.

Speaker 1 (08:05):
This is what we're looking for.

Speaker 6 (08:06):
But like everybody, they gave some punches, they took some punches.
It's just a lot different style than I'm used to,
and I'm really enjoying it because it's just like we're coming,
We're coming, You're gonna make some plays.

Speaker 1 (08:16):
But guess what they're agree.

Speaker 2 (08:17):
With your point too about I'd rather if you're gonna lose,
I'd rather lose like that than sitting back. I agree.

Speaker 1 (08:22):
You know what I'm doing. Oh, footsteps steps, footsteps in
the AFC. If i'm the Bills fans, fun, If I'm
the Bills fans, I'm.

Speaker 2 (08:31):
A little was going to happen.

Speaker 4 (08:34):
Now.

Speaker 2 (08:34):
It was a bad game for them and it was
all penalties, correct, Josh Allen, that's what and that's what
they're saying, which is what I thought they would.

Speaker 3 (08:40):
Say, Allen, like getting there like half a bright.

Speaker 2 (08:45):
I'm just telling you this is how I thought that
they would react to a loss.

Speaker 4 (08:48):
Yeah, Allen might be a king, but there's a prince
in waiting and he's coming up.

Speaker 1 (08:53):
I'd like to know coming up.

Speaker 6 (08:54):
When was the last time Buffalo, Baltimore, and Kansas City
all lost in the same week.

Speaker 1 (08:58):
Yeah, I mean, it's just.

Speaker 6 (09:00):
Kind of anecdotal, But at the same time, like, I
don't know if the if the power structure is changing
just yet. I mean, it's Week six. All those teams
can get healthy or kick in the gear or whatever.
But at the same time you're.

Speaker 2 (09:12):
Seeing I love it, some changes the league.

Speaker 1 (09:15):
Perhaps perhaps I'm not.

Speaker 2 (09:16):
Ready to be like, oh, everything's read today on Twitter
that the Colts are the best team in the AFC.
Now I don't know why, Like Buffalo lost the game
and suddenly they're not. So is this what we're doing.
We're going to diminish the Pagriots win, but we're going
to diminish the because I'm not doing that. Well, if
I'm not going to sit here and tell you for
an hour and forty five minutes that the Bills lost
the game, No they didn't. The Patriots won it.

Speaker 4 (09:37):
No, but if I'm in Indianapolis, I'm thinking my team's pretty.

Speaker 2 (09:40):
It wasn't from Indianapolis. It was from Boston.

Speaker 1 (09:42):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (09:43):
And I'm not going to do I'm not going to
dump on this win because I don't think Buffalo is
still the best team in AFC. No, no, no, the
Patriots went into the best team in the ANFC and
beat them in Buffalo. No, they said the Colts are
better than Buffalo.

Speaker 1 (09:56):
Now, well they're playing better than Buffalo.

Speaker 2 (09:59):
Okay, I'm not I'm not doing it. I'm not telling listen.
Did I think Buffalo played a great game the other night? No,
I don't, But I think the Patriots play made them
sure not look as good as they can can look.

Speaker 1 (10:11):
They did, all right.

Speaker 6 (10:12):
I mean, just to continue on that line, like, what
really impressed me about the defense is that we talked
last week about this new Buffalo offense where they're not
afraid to get under center, they're not afraid to put
three tight ends on the field and just try to
run it right down your throat. Their biggest game was
nine yards. I mean they held James Cook in checking
that game. I had questions about this run defense, but overall,
I'd say, and I'm talking about Cook, if.

Speaker 2 (10:33):
You're going to go to the longest run and no, no, no,
I'm looking for something else. But something just popped into
my head. But to me, that's no they run defense.

Speaker 1 (10:41):
That's a lot.

Speaker 6 (10:42):
And then it proved to me someone who maybe a
little bit of a doubter maybe felt like some of
this has been circumstantial, but you know, even Mina Kimes
pointed out Kiris Tonga playing really well as a complementary
at least, you know, right, so some national attention, you know.
So I just I I really was excited watching this
defense and and knowing too that they haven't really had

(11:03):
a full chance to really lock all their guys in yet.
There are still some spots that are probably gonna continue
to grow and be upgraded.

Speaker 1 (11:10):
You did it without.

Speaker 6 (11:11):
Calebon Chase on anyway, So just a really good performance
for them going. You know, it's like Bill's think, hey,
we're just gonna do we do We're gonna smash the
ball right down your mouth, you light Patriots defense, and
Patriots defense wasn't having any of it. And I thought
they brought the physicality. I mean, you know, Mina pointed
out Tonga going against the interior line.

Speaker 3 (11:30):
He is like, can they need to extend that guy?
He's on a one year contract and the rest of
the league is going to find out how good he is,
but not if they haven't already.

Speaker 7 (11:39):
And I mean he's he's been freaking awesome.

Speaker 6 (11:42):
It gives the rotation Williams and Barmore, but they can
put him out there on the field with those guys.

Speaker 3 (11:47):
Changes every time, just firing his hands into the into
the tackle or to the guard's chest and just walking
him back into the line of scrimmage. And uh, you know,
he made a play an outside zone where he ran
like fifteen yards across the field and tackle the guy
on a run play. I mean, he's just he's been
I had no idea that he was this good when

(12:09):
they signed him, and he's been even better than anybody
could have possibly expected. And at this point, it's like,
how often could they possibly play him?

Speaker 7 (12:17):
Right?

Speaker 3 (12:17):
I mean, he's a big dude, so you don't want
to play overwork him. But he's been terrific. You know,
they're doing things very differently in the run defense than
what we're used to seeing with Belichick. You know, they're
not set in the edge the same way, they're not
building a wall.

Speaker 7 (12:32):
They're not too gapping, and that's.

Speaker 3 (12:35):
Like been a little bit of my brain is like
in a little bit of a pretzel with him, because
it's watching something that's very different from what they've did
in the past. So they're really trying to knife inside
and do what's called spilling. So they want to get
inside the inside gaps covered, and they actually want.

Speaker 7 (12:53):
The ball to bounce outside.

Speaker 3 (12:54):
They want to try to force the ball to the
numbers and to outside the tackles, and then they just
kind of chase the guy down into the line, into
the sideline. So even like there might be sometimes when
you're watching the game and it feels like they gave
up the edge, but that's by design that they are
trying to funnel the ball.

Speaker 7 (13:13):
Yeah, in that.

Speaker 4 (13:13):
Time, I noticed a couple of times, you know, they
would get great push up and you know, Allan would
still be able to slip through, you know for a game,
but you'll take that because you've disrupted the play that
they had in mind. You're forcing him to run, and
you know you're hoping the linebackers can fill in there
and and minimize you know, the gain after that. But yeah,

(13:33):
I mean they're winning up front. Yeah, they're winning up front.

Speaker 3 (13:37):
They had a lot of really good spy reps in
this game too, where they pushed Alan and forced him
to make a throw, Like you don't want him to
be able to run, and you don't want him to
have all day back there to extend plays. So they
were pressuring and then they would have like Spulane or
Ellis or Landry or someone like that was a signed
to spy him, and they did a really nice job

(13:58):
of when he broke the pocket, they they made him
throw the ball and they didn't allow him to just
sit there for five six seconds and hold it and
hold it and hold it. And so they did a
nice job of that as well. Defensively in this game,
I just I'd say, coming into the game, I wanted
them to play man coverage like that. I just didn't
think the Bills receivers on the outside, you know, Coleman,

(14:19):
you know guys like that, we're going to be able
to consistently beat Carlton Davis and Christian Gonzalez. And they
played forty one percent man coverage. I mean, Alan definitely
had his moments, especially the kincaid in man coverage, but
the Patriots were able to win a bunch of rounds.

Speaker 7 (14:35):
Doing it that way.

Speaker 3 (14:36):
And then I think the biggest thing with Alan when
you get him to like revert back to playing playground
football and trying to play out of structure, he makes mistakes.
He doesn't he's not as clean as when he just
sits in the pocket and methodically tears you up. So
they really got him to kind of be a little
bit chaotic in this game, and he was leaving the

(14:57):
pocket prematurely, and he looked like the court back that
was a little bit sped up and was kind of
feeling pressure and things like that, And that, to me
is the blueprint against him. When when you sit back
and just let him pick you apart, it's really tough.

Speaker 2 (15:13):
I mean, I thought Ellis did a good job early
in the game with that stuff. Mike and I talked
about in a post game a little bit. I thought
they did a good job. One of the things that
I was concerned about is yet, it's one thing to
have a spy. Can that spy then get him to
the ground. And I thought Ellis early in the game
established that, Yeah, he's gonna I think I think Allen

(15:34):
was better than that. I think he made one bad threat.
He said it. He made a horrific throw. He should
have led Shakira and he missed him by a mile
and threw the pick to Marcus Jones. But that covered
the coverage I thought was pretty good around the game.
I didn't see a lot of Yeah, I didn't see
like a lot of breakdowns. Now, I think the biggest

(15:57):
problem for Buffalo offensively is I do think that the
Patriots sort of did what you guys said and wanted
to take away the run and then but they just
kept going backwards. And I don't care how good you are,
when you consistently get holding calls on drives, you're gonna
go backwards and you're not gonna convert. Now, they only
punted twice the whole game, but it's hard to score

(16:19):
when you consistently go the wrong way. And I think
that Allen, to Evan's point, wasn't Razor sharp. I mean,
I think he was good, but not Allen not superman.
He didn't have a lot of huge plays with his legs.
He had some good, good runs. I thought he missed
some opportunities, especially the last third down, the first really

(16:40):
good play by Gonso when he covered Keon Kolmer for
about twenty minutes. I think if he just had run there,
he probably gets somewhere between five seven yards and sets
up a much more manageable fourth down that now you
can run to get if you want to, or you could,
you know, sort of, I mean the second down, second
it was second and third down not third and fourth

(17:01):
down check that, so it would have set up a
much more manageable third down. And then now it's third
and ten and he kind of had to make that
throw to Shakir that Gonzo makes the incredible dive over
the top pick not a pass defense.

Speaker 1 (17:17):
So that was just close, wasn't it.

Speaker 2 (17:20):
It was really close, but I like.

Speaker 3 (17:22):
It looked like a penalty, but it was closer than
I thought.

Speaker 2 (17:25):
Yeah, I think he got there early. But that's very
consistent with the way they call that is and it
drives me crazy. Like the Kishawn booty, we're running thirty
five yards down the field and we're going like this
with our arms. Well, that's a penalty. And given a
team forty yards, you run through a guy and maybe
you get there early and it completely eliminates any chance
that that pass is getting completed. And it's fine, and

(17:47):
that's but that's the way they do it. I know that, Like,
this is not a homer call, like I've seen that
not called more often than not when they get there
maybe a tick early. Like that's that's the way the
game is being played. I think that's pretty consistent. Now
that said, the officiating almost ruined what I thought was
a tremendous night, like just all around, Like, do we

(18:08):
really need all these alignment penalties on both teams? It
didn't benefit one team with the other. I'm not crying
about the calls. Just no one came to see Sean
about the rest, but no one came to see Sean Hawk.
I understand what no one's saying. The penalty has declined
because the results of the Like he's just so insufferable.

Speaker 4 (18:32):
So we're all excited, big win, but you got to
build on it. And in order to build on it,
we got a There's a lot of things that need
to be cleaned up in this game, so let's.

Speaker 1 (18:43):
Talk about some of those. Find a running game. Yeah,
well that's the that's the thing.

Speaker 2 (18:47):
You know, everything we said about the run defense the opposite, even.

Speaker 4 (18:51):
If Remondre didn't fumble. Now, with Gibson out for the season,
it's announced. I guess he has a torn a c
l We.

Speaker 1 (18:59):
Need we need help here.

Speaker 2 (19:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (19:01):
Uh, and so what do you do.

Speaker 4 (19:02):
You can bring up Jennings from the practice squad, but
do you go out and get yourself a veteran I
got We got a lot of emails, and we don't
have to read all of them al but Camarah might
be available. And you know, but what do you go
all out and try to bring in some help or

(19:22):
do you say we're gonna We're gonna do it with
what we've got.

Speaker 6 (19:26):
I think you got to bring somebody in. I don't
know if Kamara will be the guy. I mean, i'd
be looking for somebody who can take early down carries.
I think he's more of a just a third down back,
which I would hope that that's a good point can develop,
you know, Henderson into And you know, honestly, I had
a thought kind of how to deal with Romandre. Do
you kind of make him the third down back at
some point? I mean, he's great at pass protection, he

(19:46):
can catch the ball. It would reduce his carries. But
if you are that concern, like I just don't get
the people who are like, well, we have to cut
him tomorrow and then Travian Henderson will just be the
one running back and that'll that'll work out great.

Speaker 1 (19:56):
They got to find another person.

Speaker 6 (19:58):
I don't know if Cherrell Jennings is the answer. I
liked him in the summer two years ago, didn't really
notice him much this year, but he is that kind
of guy. He runs hard. He's kind of a hard
charger Sode. I wouldn't be opposed to some young, fresh
legs that might give you a little bit more potential
sense of optimism, whereas if you bring in Zach Moss
or Ezekiel Elliott, you kind of know what you're getting.

(20:18):
But I think at this point they just need a body,
so they're going to have to They're going to have
to bring somebody in.

Speaker 7 (20:22):
Yeah, I mean they need a body.

Speaker 3 (20:23):
But like Grimandre and Treveon Henderson are going to be
a platoon now, and that's going to be your backfield. Like,
I don't think you're getting anybody at this time of
year that's going to be better than either of those
two guys. So you could bring in somebody that's currently
a free agent. You know that there are a couple
of guys, you know, Moss is one of them. You
know Jamichael Hasty is on the Dolphins practice squad. I

(20:45):
think it is, and you know, maybe he's a guy
that can come in. He's returned kickoffs a little bit
in his career as well, which I think is a sneaky,
bigger deal in a lot of ways than you know
what they're going to lose on offense with Gibson is
that they now have a whole you know, Gibson week
two is a Special Teams Player of the Week because
of what he did returning kickoffs and every single time

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they booted it to Remandre on Sunday night, I held
my breath thinking, oh God, now you know, really quickly
they actually did something cool with the Special Teams to
goat the Bills to kicking it to Henderson instead of Remandre.
I think it was the last kickoff of the game.
They right before they kicked the ball, they switched so

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Henderson and Remandre like right before they lined up to
kick it, the Bills had everything set and then they
were about to kick it and the two of them
switched places. And so then they actually godd the Bills
into kicking it to Henderson instead of kicking it to Remandre.
So not only just because Henderson's you know, got better speed,
but I think that the Patriots were thinking, oh.

Speaker 7 (21:49):
God, let's not get the ball.

Speaker 2 (21:51):
But even if Stevenson had no ball security issues, I
don't think his running style is overly conducive to that
kick return play. He's more of a bruiser than a burner.

Speaker 7 (22:02):
Yep, So I think that.

Speaker 3 (22:04):
You know, Gibson was already playing like a reduced role
on offense and it was really starting to become Stevenson
and Henderson's backfield anyways, but the kickoff thing is sneaky
important because they need every big play they can.

Speaker 4 (22:19):
Get, and aside from that last one they were going to,
they were going to Remondre see okay, hold on to it.

Speaker 1 (22:25):
Thank god he did.

Speaker 3 (22:27):
Yeah, So that that's I think it again. It's just,
you know, it's something that immediately impacted that game on
Sunday night when Gibson got hurt. Was that now Remandre
has to return kickoff.

Speaker 2 (22:38):
So I brought up and I don't know if we
talked about it on the show, Mike, but it's just like,
why can't my guy do it? Marcus Marcus Jones, and
I know he's smaller. I know they look at that
as more of like a running back return. They do
it now, but the Giants have Olshefski doing it, so
but I you know, but a lot of teams do,
and I get it because it's more of it. It's
turned into more of like we're looking for a crew

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to get through a running play, you might have to
break through some some congestion. But I just think that
he's so electric with the ball in his hands.

Speaker 3 (23:08):
Why not they were they were worried in the past
because we've asked them in the past about this, uh,
you know, Springer last year and still the same coordinator
about durability because that is such a high impact play,
and they they've Springer has talked in the past about
wanting a bigger body type. Now Henderson is not exactly

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a big body either, but he's a little bit bigger
and a little bit you know, meteor than the guy
like Roman Marcus Jones. So that that was his response
because last year we were all wondering, why isn't Marcus
Jones returning kickoffs? Now they also mentioned, you know, he's
already on punt He's already a full time defensive player,
and so it's another thing on his plate to put

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him on kickoff as well. But I think it's mostly
about a body type thing that they're worried he's going
to get hurt.

Speaker 2 (23:55):
I do think it that's the way they look at it.
As the body type.

Speaker 4 (23:58):
Yeah, I mean, if you do put him there, you
might get a lot more touchbacks because teams like, we're
not going to bother with him.

Speaker 1 (24:06):
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (24:06):
I mean, that's interesting how they how they might approach it,
or they would say we're gonna go kill this little guy.

Speaker 2 (24:10):
Could be I just don't know why you're I mean,
I I just don't think there's that much more risk.
The durability thing makes sense to me. And in terms
of workload, what Evan said about workload, that's adding another
three or four touches again, like that's that that's significant.
I just think that your chances of getting lit up

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on a punch or just as much as that was.

Speaker 3 (24:35):
I think a combination like you just laid out, like
it's the fact that now he's going to have another
exposure to possibly getting hurt.

Speaker 1 (24:43):
And that's yeah.

Speaker 2 (24:44):
I mean that that's undeniable. The more you give a guy,
the more chances he has to break down. He has,
he has been a guy who's broken down.

Speaker 4 (24:51):
So the running game is something we need to look at.
A lot of penalties for the Patriots, A couple of
really boneheaded ones the second half by some young guys,
the roughing the passer one though I looked at that
over note that wasn't as egregious as some people said
it was. He was he was coming off his block,

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and it was late, it was high, it was it
was follow through barely late, barely late.

Speaker 2 (25:18):
I mean, I'm just going to just tell you, like,
I've never ever heard Scott Zolac not complain on a
call like that. All four of those penalties they played,
and he was like, it's a good call.

Speaker 1 (25:29):
Oh yeah, I'm not saying I'm saying it was a call.

Speaker 2 (25:31):
I couldn't believe it. I thought I was looking for
somebody else.

Speaker 1 (25:34):
I wouldn't.

Speaker 4 (25:34):
I don't call it. I don't call it on the
level of the Farmer one.

Speaker 2 (25:38):
Well, the Farmer one was one of the more egregients,
cheap players I've ever seen. When I was looking up
when you were talking about James Cook, Mike, what I
actually was looking up is in my mind's eye. I
don't remember Cook being back in the game. He did
have one other play, yeah, after that. I think he
might have been concussed on that though, really he got
ragged on.

Speaker 3 (25:55):
There has to be something like he had to have
like not seen him go down, He had.

Speaker 1 (25:59):
To have held whistle.

Speaker 2 (26:00):
He thought that he was gonna that he was going
to pitch the ball back to the ballenty Yeah then,
but I don't care what you thought.

Speaker 1 (26:07):
You have to be more aware.

Speaker 2 (26:08):
Like, let's just say, for argument's sake, his knee was
barely off the ground. That might have been a penalty anyway.

Speaker 7 (26:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (26:15):
No, those two penalties, and obviously the schooler one on
the sideline too, But that was in particular getting the
two penalties that gave him thirty of their like seventy
five yards on that drive. Like that's the crap that
gets you beat right, Like, you can't. I'm not a
big penalties guy. Everybody knows that. Like, I don't really
like get all worked up about penalties, but when you

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do penalty with penalties like that, you cannot have like that.
That is, they handed the Bills a touchdown drive but
by getting new penalties there.

Speaker 2 (26:44):
But the Bills aren't talking about that. Those ones are. Well,
it's a little different when you're complaining about a call
and that and those calls no one's complaining about. I'll
gott to be honest with you. You got I didn't
think the schooler one was that egregious.

Speaker 1 (26:56):
Oh no, it was.

Speaker 2 (26:57):
I thought so he was out of bounds.

Speaker 1 (26:59):
I know it was, but he was like three steps
out about he barely hit him. Billy tapped, But you
just said you can't risk it. I know, what are
you doing?

Speaker 3 (27:07):
Older one like Don and I I'm with Paul, like,
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (27:10):
I didn't think that was in the category.

Speaker 7 (27:12):
The other two, the Farmer and Durden ones like that.

Speaker 2 (27:15):
The other two are going to be fine.

Speaker 7 (27:16):
That's half the yards on the drive.

Speaker 2 (27:20):
I just feel like they were getting those.

Speaker 4 (27:22):
Maybe I don't one it's it wasn't as bad as
people said.

Speaker 7 (27:26):
Still can't you can't you can't give them an option that.

Speaker 2 (27:30):
Look at it again, he didn't seven times they launched.
He was already I don't care that he didn't launch him.
They had finished, and you're just gonna say, and he
didn't hit him, that wasn't that agregious?

Speaker 3 (27:40):
Just not gonna let me talk to you know, he
doesn't think it was god like?

Speaker 2 (27:43):
Can we just say like it was a great woman
and just move on? Like like why do we have
to be.

Speaker 4 (27:48):
Like, Okay, we're not going to talk about the game
like bad play.

Speaker 2 (27:51):
We're gonna we're gonna break down that play with all
the things that Drake made and Stefan Diggs did.

Speaker 1 (27:55):
I'm going to give my opinion on the play if
you let me, it's fine. Is that Okay?

Speaker 4 (28:01):
He was coming off his block and leaning forward and
he was already in that direction, and yes his helmet
made contact, but he didn't lean forward with his head
or anything. He was already It was like the leaning
Tower of Pisa and he and he hit him, and
yes it's a penalty, but it wasn't like, oh, what
an idiot. I thought his momentum was already going in

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that direction.

Speaker 1 (28:22):
I didn't think it was that bad.

Speaker 2 (28:23):
I can see, not what an idiot.

Speaker 1 (28:25):
I can see. Yeah, I can see that.

Speaker 2 (28:27):
I mean, that's but that's one of those plays.

Speaker 1 (28:29):
Was an idiot.

Speaker 6 (28:30):
No, that's just one of those NFL where the pass
rushers are coming hard at the quarterback. It's that throws
out and it's it's just, yeah, I can't imagine when
it's like going full speed right fighting through a guy
and you look up and then like you have a
millisecond to like somehow avoid the hit.

Speaker 4 (28:44):
Sometimes it's just I yeah, I thought it was really
hard for him to avoid that one.

Speaker 1 (28:49):
I really do. But that's just my opinion. That's just
my opinion.

Speaker 2 (28:53):
No one else is allowed to have one.

Speaker 4 (28:55):
Well, if if you let me talk, I can have one.
That's all I'm saying is can I just.

Speaker 2 (29:00):
Give it seven times? You didn't think it was a penalty?
I mean, I get it.

Speaker 1 (29:03):
I'm trying to explain what I saw and you won't
let me.

Speaker 2 (29:07):
We let you say it like three different times. Can
we just move on?

Speaker 1 (29:12):
All right?

Speaker 2 (29:12):
How many times are you going to say he didn't
hit him in the head, he didn't hit him late,
and he didn't land on ocause he did all three
of those?

Speaker 1 (29:18):
Okay, calm down.

Speaker 4 (29:21):
Then a lot of people want to know, Paul, what
you thought about the clock management, you know, when it
comes to Rabel the.

Speaker 1 (29:29):
End of the first half.

Speaker 3 (29:30):
Yeah, these are the things they were talking about, you know,
And I think kids still opened by the way, Like,
if we want to talk.

Speaker 2 (29:36):
About it, I want to talk about going to wait
till Wednesday. Before that, I don't want to I didn't
want to yuck you young today.

Speaker 4 (29:42):
I also want to Yeah, I also want to talk
about yes, so at the end of the first half
that and also going not going forward on what's.

Speaker 2 (29:50):
Fourth clock management at the end of the first half,
and the first half interest yesterday, so I blew it yesterday.

Speaker 7 (29:58):
They were so disappointed.

Speaker 2 (30:00):
No, because I wanted to talk to Mike about it,
and we I'm not going to make fun of the
people like I normally do. There were some just really
every time we were on that topic a little bit
and we were in it and I was ready to jump.

Speaker 1 (30:15):
Well, well she did, she did.

Speaker 2 (30:17):
Sophie brought it up, you know, because I did think
the contrast, let's let's go, let's work backwards, start at
the end, like so it's there's one second leftno on
the one yard line, yep, you know, so you go
forward and get points. You don't go for it, you
kick the field goal, you know whatever. I thought it
was a little inconsistent, but Mike and I kind of

(30:39):
agreed with it. Like I thought it was like we
both immediately said maybe he felt like it was important
psychologically to go into the halftime locker room after that
half with the lead yep. And Mike basically confirmed that yesterday.
He said, you know, we wanted it, we didn't want
to do all it. I think he said, we didn't
want to do all that and then come away with
no points where I think that the second guess is

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and we never got to it because we ended up
kind of veering off into other directions in the press
conference yesterday, and I wanted to ask him, you let
about ten or twelve seconds go off the clock, and
you wanted to specifically call the time out at eighteen seconds? Why,
like you sort of put it so like we're trying
to thread this needle, so there's no time on the clock. Yep,

(31:25):
And I get it. Buffalo's calling timeouts. Their goal is
to get the ball back. But the Patriots executed enough
so that was no longer really in play like it
was good. We're talking about the best Buffalo could have
hoped for was ten seconds or so.

Speaker 7 (31:41):
Talking about the end of the game now, No.

Speaker 2 (31:43):
I'm talking about the half. The half, the end of
the game. They executed to perfection. Other than that they
didn't get it first down.

Speaker 4 (31:49):
And they would have if they hadn't had the penalty
because Drake had snuck for the first he got it.

Speaker 2 (31:54):
It was not the same possession.

Speaker 1 (31:56):
Before. Okay, but the.

Speaker 2 (32:00):
I didn't really understand why Mike called let the time
go after I would have called the time out with
like thirty seconds left twenty You know, twenty five seconds left,
whatever the case may be, and then now I can
run anything I want. I think that's more important to
have my playbook open to me. So then you get
a situation that happened, you get a penalty because you're thinking, well,

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you got plenty of time to run your three plays
or whatever, and then if we don't get in. I
think it was third and goal from like the twelve
or something like that, because I think they got a penalty.
It did get a penalty, right, so you had plenty
of time to get you a three plays off and
then kick a field goal, except for Trey White gets
called for pass interference in the end zone, which now
gives you a new set of downs, and now you

(32:42):
don't have time for three plays. So of seconds left.
I think if they had called time out earlier, they
would have had a little more time. Now.

Speaker 7 (32:49):
I think that was I know I tried.

Speaker 3 (32:52):
Wait, I think he tried because he tried to call
the time out earlier because I was watching him on
the sideline. He was all the way down on the
sideline and he was barking at the official because I
think he was yelling for time out like it looked.

Speaker 2 (33:06):
Like they showed him and he was waiting and then
he went like this at eighteen seconds.

Speaker 3 (33:09):
So maybe he was just trying to get the guy's attention,
but he looked a little bit, so.

Speaker 2 (33:14):
No one even more upset that I didn't get that question. Yes,
I could be.

Speaker 3 (33:18):
Maybe he was just trying to communicate what you're saying,
that they were waiting for a certain time, But it
looked to me like he was like, you know, are
you going to put some time back on them?

Speaker 1 (33:26):
He did.

Speaker 2 (33:26):
He wanted him to go because they let it run
to seventeen and he specifically said he wanted it at eighteen. Okay,
that's what he called it. And that's what you know.
I was wondering if you when you were ill, I
think like that eighteen second mark is what And they
still had a time out, by the way, might be,
so it wasn't like they might have it.

Speaker 3 (33:41):
They might have it timed out that that's the amount
of time they need to run a certain amount of you.

Speaker 2 (33:46):
To run any place they want without having to, you know,
while still saving the time out for a field goal
if we need it. Yeah, because that's important down there too.
Now what I would say, Fred, I agree with you
there's no way of knowing you're going to get a penalty,
but you had the ability to factor that in, like
at this point, you're not worried about giving Buffalo the
ball back. There's not enough time, right, yep? You know.

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So I just thought that that was a they lost
a play there, and I thought they were fortunate that
that the incomplete pass only for thy seconds.

Speaker 1 (34:15):
Oh my god, I know, I thought that was it.

Speaker 2 (34:17):
Now I understand because I think Drake threw it a
little bit earlier because of that, and I think had
that been that been like eight seconds left, that's a touchdown.

Speaker 4 (34:25):
And if you notice, I think he did throw it
because Henry didn't look right and.

Speaker 6 (34:29):
Look, yeah, he wasn't looking. Yeah, that's what I said
to Evan. I said, I felt like he had if
he took a beat more. It's an easy it's an
easy touchdown.

Speaker 2 (34:35):
But I think in his mind's eye he's thinking, I,
I can't get it, get time again. But definitely a
it's definitely a whole scenario worth talking about, and Mike
did get a lot of questions about it yesterday. I
just thought it was interesting Frabel's response when I.

Speaker 1 (34:50):
Say, yeah, you know, like you can it.

Speaker 4 (34:53):
I could have done it this way.

Speaker 2 (34:55):
I go for fourth and ones on my own fifteen
and then this one I didn't go for But I
I understood the mentality earlier. And you know what I
kind of liked Freddy was that it wasn't just the
numbers say I could get this eighty percent of the time,
So the numbers say go for it. The numbers, I'm
sure right, ev like fourth and goal from the one,
I mean the second goal from the one. I'm sure

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the numbers suggested.

Speaker 7 (35:16):
You could go right most of the time.

Speaker 2 (35:18):
So this one he actually taking. But he went with
the flow of the game. And again you can disagree
with him. I'm not telling you that he made the
right call. I think Evan probably sounds like you would
have gone for it, And I don't think Evan's wrong.

Speaker 7 (35:31):
I don't think I would have gone for it.

Speaker 2 (35:35):
I wouldn't have either, because I think that his rationale
like game the game has changed.

Speaker 3 (35:40):
Yeah, I wouldn't have gone for it, very exact justification
that Rabel gave, Like they outplayed in.

Speaker 2 (35:46):
The first half and they deserve to go in with you, right, There's.

Speaker 3 (35:49):
Something to be said for even if it's a three
point lead. There's something to be said for the fact
that you have a three point lead and we hung
with them, and we kind of outplayed them, and we're
feeling pretty good, Whereas it's very demoralizing. If they go
for it on foard down and they don't.

Speaker 1 (36:02):
Get it, that's it and it gives the other team moment.

Speaker 3 (36:05):
And was also getting the ball to start the second half.

Speaker 4 (36:08):
So earlier in the first half, I think it might
have been the Patriots' third possession round midfield and they
had that fourth and three that they ended up punting
another one.

Speaker 2 (36:18):
Now that raised my eyebrows.

Speaker 4 (36:20):
Now that was to me, I can unders because if
the feel of the game, his defense is playing pretty well,
you give him the ball right there, it's probably sure points.

Speaker 1 (36:30):
I wasn't upset that he didn't go.

Speaker 2 (36:34):
For but it's another good one, Freddy, I think that's great.
I don't know if you listened a lot to Mike
and I because I know it was late.

Speaker 1 (36:39):
No.

Speaker 2 (36:40):
We talked about a lot of this crowd because the
minutia and I do like the I think that Vrabel
has been a little bit more analytically bent than I
would have imagined. But I was really pleasantly surprised to
see that he does at least take the game, because
I think if you went into that game, you would
have said, this is a game we need points right four,

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fourth and three from midfield, we're going to go for it.
Second and goal with one second left from the one.
We're going to go for it because we need points.

Speaker 1 (37:08):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (37:08):
But as you said, perfectly, the game unfolded into such
a way where you would previously pin them back with
a good baroner punt at the fourteen. I think, of
course you get help because immediately Buffalo gets a holding penalty.
It makes it first and seventeen. They did that two
consecutive possessions. Your defense is doing it, so why not

(37:29):
try to back them up again? That the second one,
I think is that the one that led to the
keyon Coleman fumble. It might have been which set up
points in the game. So I liked the fact that, yes,
he's not afraid to go forward and fourth down, even
in unconventional spots, but he's also not afraid to use
the way the game is unfolding.

Speaker 1 (37:51):
A slave to the numbers, and he's not a slave
to the numbers.

Speaker 2 (37:54):
It's not one hundred percent.

Speaker 1 (37:55):
Every game isn't the same.

Speaker 4 (37:57):
You know, playing last week against whoever the hell we
beat last week is not the same as playing against
Josh Allen, you know. So maybe if you're with the
Panthers at fourth and three you do go for it.

Speaker 3 (38:09):
Well, I would think that would be that doesn't matter.
But I when you're playing Josh like Alan, you don't
win by field goals, right like that would bet, but
one was a little differ, that would be the game.

Speaker 2 (38:19):
That's why I said going into the game. That's exactly
how I would that would be every one of those
if you would ask me before the game.

Speaker 1 (38:25):
Yea, so.

Speaker 3 (38:28):
Anything else before we kind of they still can't cover Concaid.

Speaker 1 (38:31):
Yeah, yeah, Well the tight ends.

Speaker 3 (38:34):
The tight ends in general or the problem. And I
think both their safeties are free safeties. Like they're both
guys that are best playing deep zones, you know, helping
over the top doing that sort of thing. Neither one
of their their safeties, at least right now. With Craig Woodson,
who I do kind of like, by the way, like
I can kind of see the light with him, Like.

Speaker 2 (38:55):
I like him a lot more than he flies.

Speaker 3 (38:58):
Like he can really run and he can hit, uh,
but he can't cover in man to man and neither
really can Jalen Hawkins.

Speaker 2 (39:07):
Hawkins struggles I think every week.

Speaker 3 (39:09):
They need to figure out, especially when you play a
tight end that can actually impact the game like a
like a Kincaid can in the passing game, they need
to figure out a different formula of how are we're
going to cover these tight ends, whether that's you know,
Carlon Davis as a game plan element is on him,
or Alex Austin or Marte Mapu or just somebody else,

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you know, maybe even giving Kyle Dugger. I know he's
had issues with it in the past, but I think
he's been better at it in the past than Hawkins
and Woodson have shown so far. But whether it was man,
whether it was zone, Kincaid was opened the entire game.

Speaker 1 (39:44):
Yeah, that was tough.

Speaker 4 (39:46):
So we're talking about coming out games, Alex bartskuy Borgalis, Yeah, yeah,
a little coming out moment there.

Speaker 7 (39:55):
Big kick and right down Main Street, Like yeah, what.

Speaker 6 (39:59):
I thought was interest saying is very able talked about
like his mechanics and when it looks right, and I mean,
I think we all saw that this summer that there
were certain kicks sometimes where the ball's going ten to
four and don't look quite right. That kick looked perfect
right down, So I think it's it's funny. It's one
of those things you don't really realize it, but you
have a good sense of, you know, verybel compared to
a kicker, like when it was hit right and it

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looks right, you know it, And that's he's he looks
like he's found a little groove.

Speaker 2 (40:25):
He's got to keep it up, yeah, him for.

Speaker 3 (40:28):
His And I know, you know, there is some browsing
on Paul's shows about how much they've been kind of
hyping up the kicker. You know, I think he got
a game ball again ward and then when he came
into the locker room.

Speaker 7 (40:43):
They were chanting his name. I heard that, Oh is
that right?

Speaker 3 (40:46):
And and the whole team, like the whole locker room,
and like, can we remember that this is like a
twenty two year old kid, right.

Speaker 2 (40:53):
Like he like he's a rookie that had.

Speaker 3 (40:55):
Some struggles, you know in Miami especially, and they're trying
to lift the kid up like they need him, like
he's the kicker and they need him to make kicks
like that, And so they're trying to boost his confidence,
and like, I don't understand why, like you know, you're
giving the kicker a game ball. I don't understand why
we can't see that like Drake May is awesome, Like

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he doesn't need the game ball to know that he's awesome.

Speaker 2 (41:19):
I didn't really hear anything yesterday that the Felg and
Mas make fun of them for giving him the game ball.

Speaker 3 (41:23):
Yesterday, I wasn't listening to Felger and Maz. I don't
want to name the show directly.

Speaker 2 (41:27):
I heard fred Fred Toucher in the morning was making
fun of the team for chanting his name. I heard that, yeah,
but like you said, you thought that was disrespectful to
the player, which I didn't really understand. But I didn't
hear anybody making fun of getting a game ball for
this game. I heard them when you missed the two
extra points.

Speaker 1 (41:46):
But it's all.

Speaker 3 (41:47):
Connected though, right, Like it's all And I think that
this is one thing that I'm not you know, look,
I'm next as a nose guy. But Rabel, there's something
about Rabel when it comes to motivation that he's just
really really good at pushing all the right buttons with
certain guys and he's clearly trying to inflate Borgolis's ego.
Like he's true clearly trying to gain get the kids

(42:10):
some confidence. Uh, you know, early on in his career
and so far, Like he drilled that kick in a
really tough environment, you know, with the game on the line,
he puts it right through the middle of the uprights.

Speaker 7 (42:22):
Like, yeah, I'm not saying that was very bold, like
did it?

Speaker 4 (42:25):
But like overall, there's there seems to be a lot
of emphasis on supporting each other on the team. You know,
they have this new chant at the end of the
in the locker room, we're all we got, We're all
we need. Uh, that's that's kind of the new thing.
It hasn't really replaced. Oh yeah, but they say it
just before that.

Speaker 2 (42:44):
It's a digs thing. I feel like that came from this.

Speaker 1 (42:46):
It might it might be. It might be.

Speaker 4 (42:47):
But there's a lot of you know, I love you,
and like because we hear the miked up a lot,
and you know, we hear the whole thing, most of
it doesn't get used, you know, but there's a lot
of you know, I love you and a lot a
lot of that stuff up and some people don't like that.

Speaker 2 (43:01):
But that seems to be the things that people get upset.

Speaker 4 (43:05):
Yeah, that seems to be like something Rabel wants to
emphasize is that we're you know, we're.

Speaker 1 (43:11):
All in it together.

Speaker 4 (43:12):
Yeah, you know, and I'm sure every team does that,
but it's very very out there.

Speaker 1 (43:18):
It's very out you know, it's very different.

Speaker 6 (43:20):
Than what we've experienced, you know here in his look
it came as advertised, this is what I thought of
Mike Rabel, that he would be a player's coach and
you know a guy that. I mean, you hear him
say it all the time, like it will always be
about the players. I mean, I've heard him say that
a number of times.

Speaker 1 (43:34):
I think, I don't.

Speaker 2 (43:35):
Billy used to say that too, but I you know, I.

Speaker 6 (43:40):
Believe it with Rabel and you know the way that
he really seems to care about these guys. And I
think he's done a great job here through through five weeks.

Speaker 4 (43:47):
He's got the new thing where it's not new, he's
been doing it since the beginning of the season, where
he stands out in front of the locker room as
the players come in that's win or lose.

Speaker 1 (43:54):
Yeah, he does that, and.

Speaker 3 (43:56):
His energy when he said to Diggs, let's get the
hell out of here.

Speaker 7 (44:00):
I was right there. I was like, hell, yeah.

Speaker 2 (44:03):
You know, let's packed this thing up and let's go
real quick.

Speaker 6 (44:05):
I just wanted to piggyback off your thing about poor Gosses.
I just remembered, uh in the two thousand and six
training camp when Gostowski was a rookie and Bill pulled
the thing of make this kick, we're off for the day,
and he made it. And I still remember the picture
which was you know, probably taken by Silverman or Eric
out at that point, but you know, him getting propped
up and they, you know, everybody picked up.

Speaker 2 (44:24):
So it's the same thing, you.

Speaker 9 (44:25):
Know, the kickers in their head cases, concerted efforts to
try to like nurture these guys and build their confidence
in any chance you get to give them some recognition
and positive reinforcement.

Speaker 1 (44:36):
I think you got to take it. It's a tough job.

Speaker 7 (44:37):
You're on that position.

Speaker 3 (44:39):
It's all between the years, Like all these guys can
kick the crap out of the ball, say this all
the time.

Speaker 7 (44:44):
It's all mental.

Speaker 3 (44:44):
It's not like these other positions where it's you know,
there's real physical elements to it that you need to
kind of have to have it, like all these kickers.
It's there are mental cases and so like when you
have a guy, like a young kid like that, you
know his confidence goes away and he'll have a rookie
season like Chad Ryland had here.

Speaker 7 (45:03):
A couple of years ago.

Speaker 3 (45:04):
Yeah, And like when you're competitive and you're trying to
make a push here.

Speaker 7 (45:08):
You know you're going to be in a lot of
games that are closed.

Speaker 4 (45:12):
You come off an off season, a training camp where
you didn't really outright win the job. You know the
other guy was just as good as you, and you're
wondering what your teammates think about that.

Speaker 3 (45:23):
I just think that you know, they have a real
chance to be playing meaningful football in December and January,
and when you're in close games against good teams, like
you're gonna win a lot of games by three points
when the time expires, and they need him to be
able to make those kicks, and you know that that
means channing his name.

Speaker 7 (45:43):
When he comes into the locker room. Then that's what
they're gonna have to do.

Speaker 1 (45:46):
Yep. So that's the game, right, Yeah, anything else.

Speaker 2 (45:51):
Just what really study with like the star power and
I know we don't like we've been a little critical
of the Patriots roster in recent years. They won four
games back to years, But I do think that they
were very aggressive and free agency this year, and I
think they brought in some talent and then some of
the younger guys that they've drafted. But this game, to
me was about your stars, Drake May, Stefan Diggs, Christian Gonzales.

(46:15):
You know, I don't know if they're the three best
players in the team. You put Milton Williams and Barmore
probably in that group for five, But you won the
game because your your studs performed when you needed them to.

Speaker 7 (46:26):
It were stud like and they were like buffalos.

Speaker 2 (46:29):
Stefan Diggs was otherworldly in that.

Speaker 1 (46:31):
I mean, making that first guy miss.

Speaker 2 (46:33):
Yeah, he had like seventy yards after the catch, right,
Like that was like a time machine game for him.
He hasn't really done that in years.

Speaker 1 (46:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (46:41):
That was probably the best receiver wide receiver game for
Patriots since like Edelman and Seattle maybe like twenty twenty. Yeah, right,
you know, like that was as good of a game
as I've seen the Patriots wide receiver play in half
a decade.

Speaker 2 (46:57):
That was just like a big standout to me. It's
like we've been, and I've been. I'm guilty as anybody
you know, Like they just don't have enough talent, they
don't have enough difference makers. Well you have difference makers.
Maybe you still don't have enough of them starting to
make a difference. But the difference makers made a difference
Sunday night. And again I'm not I'm not gonna sit
here and crap all of the Buffalo. I think I

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think Buffalo is excellent. I think the Patriots when they
needed to be, they were. They were better. When they
needed to make plays to win the game, they were better.
I mean those blitzes that McDermott dialed up, they all worked,
they all got there. Drake just beat them.

Speaker 1 (47:31):
Yeah, because Drake was better, especially to.

Speaker 6 (47:35):
Like looking at that game, who Buffalo's identity was coming
in and what they wanted to be, and the Patriots
just didn't let them do it.

Speaker 1 (47:41):
They didn't let the.

Speaker 6 (47:42):
Game get dictated by James Cook and the ground game.
You know, certainly kincaid Is is probably an exception to that.
But they were pretty tight with tackling, Like they haven't
been great at tackling, but Shakiir breaks more tackles than
anybody as a wide receiver, and yeah he made some catches,
but well, I was just impressed with that they were
right there, guys that even you know, even a Jalen
Hawkins who gives up a catch boom tackled, you know.

Speaker 2 (48:04):
So those are positive things.

Speaker 6 (48:06):
I just I think your expectations of going against another
elite and I don't say another, but going against an
elite NFL offense, like they're gonna make plays, They're gonna
make some of your players look bad. You just have
to be able to fight the long play the long
game and make your plays when it counts. And I
just have confidence this defense is starting to do that.

Speaker 3 (48:23):
Oh right, so really quickly because I try to keep
you know it in my pants about Drake for the
first hour of the show.

Speaker 7 (48:29):
Yes, yeah, I tried. I tried my best there there.

Speaker 3 (48:33):
There was multiple times both live and then watching this
game back where I did.

Speaker 7 (48:37):
The Collins were like, oh my god. Yeah, I mean,
like the second half was a masterclass.

Speaker 3 (48:43):
Like that was as good of a second half I've
seen a quarterback play all year.

Speaker 7 (48:47):
He was phenomenal.

Speaker 3 (48:49):
I mean, obviously the stats are the stats. Who was
thirteen for fourteen, like one incomplete pass went off Trevon
Henderson's hands. It was just throw after throw, and I
thought of Paulie. I thought of Paul you know, talking
about against Carolina's in Miami's like mcdaniels's scheming guys open
and guy receivers are popping open, you know, down the
field and all that stuff, and that's you know, I

(49:10):
love that kind of stuff. I love breaking it down.
But this game was we're going to drop that pass
and our guy is just going to be better than
your guys and he's just going to make play after
play after play. Yeah, And that was just incredible. I mean,
I know everybody's talking about the throw of you know,
hanging all over him, and you know he kind of
like blew the read on that one, to be honest,

(49:30):
but he you know, makes the throw there to start
that drive. But the whole shot to Booty is just
as good. I mean, that throat.

Speaker 2 (49:36):
I underestimated that that throw live and then we went
back and I and I looked at it Matt Smith
when he came into post game, so she was like,
what about the one the booty? And I was like,
I gave Booty all the credit for the awareness to
get down yeah and stay in bounce. But then I
looked back and I was like, that was there's a
guy hitting him. Throws to get it there, perfect yeah, perfect.

Speaker 7 (49:55):
Perfect hole shot.

Speaker 1 (49:57):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (49:57):
And he actually I think he felt the pressure from
the side, so he actually drifted a little bit to
the right to buy himself just like an extra half
beat before he had to throw the ball, and then
he fits it right into the cover two hole. I mean,
the one that Henry up the middle of the field,
came off the first read, came into Henry the middle
of the field and just rips it down the steam
to Henry.

Speaker 7 (50:17):
He had one to Remandre.

Speaker 3 (50:19):
On a check down where he got forced out of
the pocket and he's rolling out. He just kind of
flicked it to Remandre with anticipation and Remander just broke
right into the ball. I mean, just there's like five
or six throws in the second half that are just,
you know, unbelievable.

Speaker 7 (50:36):
I mean, just put it roll.

Speaker 1 (50:37):
It's interesting because at the beginning of the season.

Speaker 4 (50:39):
A lot of the scribes came out with their best
quarterback rankings and a lot of Patriots fans would be
really upset because in these lists, May would be like
in the low twenties or you know, twenty five, and
you know they would be pissed off. But at that time,
he hadn't really shown that he deserved to be in

(51:00):
the top. But now he's doing that now, certainly the
numbers say it, but now the numbers.

Speaker 1 (51:06):
Are through the roof.

Speaker 2 (51:07):
But I mean he's knocking on the top ten of
anybody's list.

Speaker 4 (51:10):
Yeah, now he has to be right, he's a top
ten Patriots fans, you have a.

Speaker 1 (51:14):
Right to be upset if he's not in the on
top of those lists.

Speaker 7 (51:18):
I mean, I don't think he should.

Speaker 3 (51:19):
Like the Bills had won fourteen straight games at home,
and he went into the MVP's house and now played
him right like that. That is, I mean that in
his second year in the league. And I know everybody
keeps comparing him to Josh Allen and I do it too,
and I get it. He's way ahead of where Josh
Allen was in his second season. Now, I don't know
if he's quite as like physically imposing like Allen's like

(51:45):
six six, two thirty five, like Allen's a tank like.
I don't know if Drake may is quite built that way.

Speaker 1 (51:51):
He's not.

Speaker 3 (51:51):
But from a number standpoint or whatever, Like Allen was
not playing this well this early on.

Speaker 2 (51:58):
He didn't play this good. I mean, he won a
lot of games, but he wasn't playing playing like this.

Speaker 4 (52:03):
All right, eight five to five pass five hundred is
the hot line. A lot of you been waiting patiently.
Uh so let's go to the phones. Anthony's in Seattle.
What's up, Anthony?

Speaker 1 (52:14):
We got our Yeah, we got a guy. That's it.
That's what I wanted to say. We waited forty five
minutes to say that.

Speaker 4 (52:24):
Okay, that's it.

Speaker 2 (52:26):
That's not the whole thing that that's what he said.
If they went to Buffalo, didn't Anthony say that last week?
If we go to Buffalo and Drake May does this,
I'm just going to call in on Tuesday and say,
we got our guy.

Speaker 1 (52:35):
He's a man of his word.

Speaker 7 (52:36):
It's a great call.

Speaker 1 (52:37):
Patty's an agawab what's up, Patty?

Speaker 10 (52:41):
What's going on? Gentlemen? Yeah, I can corroborate that Polly
to say that. First off, I just want to give
kudos to Polly and Fred for picking the bills where
I didn't have the cojones to pick them, but you
guys certainly did. My hat's off you guys, what a
great freaking game. I just wanted to throw a couple
of numbers at you guys too. That was the first
game in twenty seven games where Buffalo lost the turnover battle. Yeah,

(53:05):
and that was our first back to back wins since
weeks eight through eleven. There was a bye weekend there
in twenty twenty two. And for me, I don't know
how you guys feel about this, but I know they
didn't say all that great in the first half, but
this was the second game that I've seen them raise
the team around them and the two most important games,

(53:28):
the two on the road games, was in the Division
at Miami and on Sunday night.

Speaker 8 (53:34):
That's all.

Speaker 10 (53:35):
That's all I gotta say. I'm freaking psych Let's go baby.

Speaker 4 (53:38):
All right, And that is that's a great point. Two
road division wins right now?

Speaker 6 (53:44):
Yeah, Yeah, I mean those are the two you know,
not always maybe the hardest opponents, but you know, if
you look at getting to the playoffs, win the division
every year, the game at Miami, in the game of Buffalo,
you have circled right out of the gate and for
able to win those two road games right out of
the gate. It's it's definitely feather in.

Speaker 4 (54:01):
That Pittsburgh game might come back to haunt us. Yes,
it was in that freaking game. Or the Oakland game.

Speaker 1 (54:06):
Well, yeah, the Oakland game too. I look at them.
The Pittsburgh one was right there. Just don't turn the
ball over.

Speaker 7 (54:12):
Yeah, yeah, it's okay, I didn't go.

Speaker 3 (54:14):
These are all the trials and tribulations that you know, Yeah,
they kind of they kind of needed for the season.

Speaker 4 (54:20):
If you said you were going to be three and
two after the first five, like, okay, I'll take that.

Speaker 7 (54:24):
It's a good way to coach it regardless who you beat.

Speaker 3 (54:27):
Guys, if we didn't turn the ball over, we probably
win this game by ten points. Just don't turn the
ball over and we're going to be fine.

Speaker 2 (54:32):
So I would actually say, because I hate that that
mentality that if you told me, I would actually say
I'd be more excited the way it came out, Like
winning in Buffalo and Miami and being three and two
is better than if they had beaten the Steelers at home.

Speaker 4 (54:48):
Yeah, let's go to Ivan in California.

Speaker 1 (54:51):
What's up Ivan? Ivan? Ivan? Gone?

Speaker 4 (54:59):
All right, one more, we'll take a break Chris with
a T. I A N what's up?

Speaker 1 (55:04):
Christian?

Speaker 11 (55:06):
Incredible game.

Speaker 8 (55:07):
Didn't go to slates till two o'clock that morning. Woke
up a stick like I slept eight hours. Went back, baby,
went back all the way, baby, all the way.

Speaker 11 (55:15):
Let's go.

Speaker 1 (55:16):
You got it? Who wow?

Speaker 2 (55:19):
Just that's what I wanted from you in Sunday night.
You were a little subdued, but there were people around
you could use outside could you not? Could you not
really go go full Fred?

Speaker 1 (55:28):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (55:28):
Okay, we had to walk through bos mafia.

Speaker 1 (55:31):
That story is great.

Speaker 7 (55:32):
Trying to fight me?

Speaker 1 (55:34):
Yeah, or they were they knew who you were? No did.

Speaker 3 (55:38):
I did see a couple of Patriots fans on the
way out and did like a little quiet because like
those guys went like they went to a game in
that environment with Patriots gear on. Yeah, like that's ballsy,
And they came out a lie first of all, which
is good, and then second of all, they won the game,
So I was like, thanks for coming.

Speaker 1 (55:55):
I mean it was it was loud there, It was loud.
They all had their white shirts on their rivalry uniforms.

Speaker 3 (56:03):
Like the whole thing is so corny, like and I
just ran about this for a second, Like.

Speaker 2 (56:07):
This isn't college football.

Speaker 3 (56:09):
It's not Penn State like you you guys, like, come on,
I don't mind that it's a faterrible.

Speaker 1 (56:15):
It's that they have a fan base. It's willing to
do that. This is the NFL.

Speaker 3 (56:20):
This isn't high school football in Texas. It's like it's sports.

Speaker 1 (56:24):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (56:25):
So like, okay, like you can do whatever you want
all the time. That's that's what that is. That's small
city stuff. Like when the Celtics put the green jerseys in.
That's different that you're because you're no, it's not okay, no,
it's because they they give you those.

Speaker 1 (56:47):
I'd be right, I'm okay with that. I'm okay with that.
And what I will say is you.

Speaker 2 (56:52):
Can be okay with it, but it's corny like but.

Speaker 4 (56:55):
The fact that their fans are so into it that
they're all I would just.

Speaker 2 (57:00):
Say that it's cliche. I mean, I'm with you, Fred,
I'm not anti fun. I think those kinds of stuff,
you know, those kinds of things like.

Speaker 7 (57:07):
I have fun with the football gimmick.

Speaker 2 (57:10):
Winnipeg Jets and hockey. You go and everybody's wearing white,
like it's kind of cool. I think it's fun. Now,
if you want to say, like the Bills do something else,
that's what everybody else does. That's cliche, okay, but I
don't have any problem with that whatever. I mean. I
think the uniforms look pretty cool.

Speaker 1 (57:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (57:28):
I think because their new stadium, it's right next to it.
It's huge and it's like really tall. It towers over
the old one. I guess they have PSLs and they're
still selling. They're not sold out yet. I wonder if
the atmosphere will get hurt a little bit because they're
pricing out, you know, the hard core.

Speaker 1 (57:48):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (57:48):
Just to be clear, I have all the respect in
the world for the Mafia. I have friends in the Mafia.
I like the Bills Mafia fans. I like their fan base.
It's not anti fan base thing. You guys are are
so beyond above things like gimmicky white out.

Speaker 2 (58:03):
That's what I said. You could say it's cliche, but
like that's all I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (58:06):
Like, you guys are a very good football team that
probably should win the AFC.

Speaker 4 (58:13):
So just according to the extracted at the uniforms. Yeah,
one thing I will say about their rivalry's uniform it's
a it's like a silver ru white.

Speaker 1 (58:23):
So the numbers are very very hard to see?

Speaker 2 (58:26):
Were they hard for you in the press because you
could see them happen, which is a big it's a
big I could see them veteran move.

Speaker 1 (58:33):
I had binoculars, but.

Speaker 2 (58:34):
I would say it was It was not hard on TV,
but I could I could understand having that that problem
from the press box, not a kind of like when
they had the red numbers that year for the Patriot
Blue it was kind of hard to see from the
press box. Could I just asked you this?

Speaker 4 (58:47):
Two?

Speaker 1 (58:48):
Fred?

Speaker 6 (58:48):
And you've been going to that stadium for a while now.
I know it's a dump. I know that there's all
kinds of technology issues, but like, are you happy to
see that old stadium kind of go? Are you going
to miss that atmosphere that they clearly.

Speaker 1 (58:59):
I'm not good? I miss it one.

Speaker 2 (59:00):
Fred brings up a great point though about the crowd,
and I do think you run the risk of that
it's happening at Yankee Stadium.

Speaker 3 (59:07):
Yeah, it's the best self, It's the best crowd in
the NFL.

Speaker 7 (59:10):
I've never been to.

Speaker 2 (59:11):
The stadium used to be ridiculously loud and it still
gets there but not the same. And there's a lot
like those they would watch a Yankees game in the
regular season. All those seats are empty around because they
cost a million dollars, like no one can afford them.
They still get it for the playoffs and stuff, but
sometimes you lose a little of that advantage that you have.
And I think Fred might be onto something if they're

(59:33):
going to try those Evans guys.

Speaker 7 (59:35):
You know, I think it's I think it's different though.

Speaker 3 (59:38):
Like to me, this what makes the bill stadiums so
great is that it's very low and so like the
fans are like on top of the field. Like it's
not one of these like big monstrosity stadiums where you're
you're sitting like on the moon compared to the game.
It's one of these stadiums where it's really like a
college football stadium.

Speaker 2 (59:59):
It was one. It was very similar to the old Foxborough.
It was identical at one time, and they had you know,
And the one thing I'll say about it is you
I have watched a game from the stands there in Buffalo.
It's great sight lines. It's a dump. It's not a
good stadium, But I understand what Evan's talking about and
you will lose something because you're going to have a
modern stadium with modern amenities.

Speaker 4 (01:00:19):
And so I'll tell you the story. My first time
at that stadium was nineteen ninety five, and it's cold
out and if you've never been there as a writer before,
you don't know how to get to the press box,
especially from where you get dropped off with the team bus.
It's not obvious how to get there. You have to

(01:00:40):
go through the crowds and everything. And so we win
the game and it's like the apocalypse. There's fights in
the stands, like the fans are just pissed off, and
you know, I'm with somebody else that we're trying to
make our way back to the buses and down to
where they're doing the press conferences, and we take a

(01:01:01):
wrong term and we end up in the stands.

Speaker 1 (01:01:04):
So now we're looking down into the end zone.

Speaker 4 (01:01:07):
We have to get over this wall to get into
the ramp, and so we're fighting away and literally this
guy's punching each other out. And we get down there
and I see a cop and I'm like, I'm gonna
go over the wall, and the cop looks at me, goes, okay,
there's a door right there.

Speaker 3 (01:01:25):
It's like, oh, I will not through that as far
as covering the game goes. I will not miss that stadium.
I'll miss it for fans. But the fact that you
have to go outside to go back inside and then
you have to go outside through the mafia coming out
of the little door that's not mark right, and you

(01:01:46):
have to like go you're going against the current, like
they're coming out and you're trying to go kind of
diagonally through. And like, there's no other stadium in the
NFL where you have to go outside with the fans
to go back inside to go to the down to
the locker room. It's the only one that's like that here,
you know, for people that don't know, there's just an
elevator that takes you right down to the field level

(01:02:09):
and you walk through the guts of the stadium down
to the locker room. So this one you have to
literally go out into the concourse and walk through the
concourse as everybody.

Speaker 7 (01:02:19):
Is trying to leave.

Speaker 3 (01:02:20):
And you put on top of that, they just lost
a game that they were seven and a half point
favorites in and like so now they're pissed that they
lost the game.

Speaker 4 (01:02:27):
This is the same place, remember Shane Donaldson. So it's
it's it was a December game. There's snow and ice everywhere,
even on the concourse and where like Evan said, we're
walking through the concourse to get back to the press
box against the Grain and poor Sean and Shane has

(01:02:48):
he's got serebal palsy. So he's you know, kind of
walking like he walks and he's got his laptop in
his arm and he hits a piece of ice and
just goes down.

Speaker 2 (01:02:56):
Well someone kind of knocked them down. Yeah, Like as
Evan said, you're going against the Grain.

Speaker 4 (01:03:01):
And the laptop goes flying, it cracks, and he's on
the ground and people are just walking over him.

Speaker 2 (01:03:06):
Oh yeah, and he had I remember, like he had
his hands as he's you know, lifting himself up, and
he's got no gloves on. They're yelling him, where's your gloves, idiot,
like screaming at him, and he's just in a panic
because he thinks Fred's going to be pissed at him
for breaking the leftop.

Speaker 1 (01:03:22):
Right.

Speaker 6 (01:03:24):
It just makes me a little sad because I love
when you turn on the TV to watch a game
and you know exactly what stadium it is and what
that home crowd is like.

Speaker 1 (01:03:32):
And you know, the newer.

Speaker 6 (01:03:33):
Stadiums are all becoming so just these monstrosities that are
void of personality and they all kind of feel the same,
and you don't really like Seattle is a good example of,
you know, one where it still feels like there's a
home field advantage. Otherwise, like you're in LA, you don't
know if the Rams are the Chargers are playing, you're
in New York, you know if you know, I mean,
they change the colors, but there's just no personality to it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:52):
And that's what I love about stadiums.

Speaker 6 (01:03:54):
And all you guys are saying, right, you can't continue
going with the stadium like that, but just makes me
sad that you know, it's just gonna be another one
of these huge things that you're like, oh.

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Speaker 14 (01:06:10):
Dickens, that's your last night on the stairs. I'm sure
you were.

Speaker 2 (01:06:20):
I don't know if you have any more update, Tom Gibson,
But along with that, do you.

Speaker 5 (01:06:30):
Anticipate having to make some kind of move to sure
up to running back?

Speaker 14 (01:06:35):
Well, No, don't have any update yet. Got back late.
Some guys are still going through some some test and
some medical evaluations. Hopefully I'll know more of this early
this afternoon, but we'll keep you updated if we If
we add anybody go to roster, or we feel like
we need guys at any position. We think that like

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that for you and your message your first year here.

Speaker 3 (01:07:03):
You know, I don't know how much you're thinking about
buying right now, but.

Speaker 12 (01:07:07):
Just getting a win like that, do you feel like
it does anything in terms of your message resonating with
your team.

Speaker 14 (01:07:16):
I don't. Maybe I don't know if I look at
it like that. I think that you know the the
buy in, you know, I don't know how you necessarily
define that, you know, just trying to show them, I
think what they're capable of doing when we can do
it together in all three phases and play up up

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to our identity. Because it wasn't great. I thought we
played really hard. I thought we thought we flew around
on defense. I thought we tried to hammer the football out.
Sometimes we did sometimes we did it. They made some plays,
But I thought we have, even offensively, a lot of
room to grow special teams. Wise, we didn't have the
impact that we maybe or we're used to the previous

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weeks or some of the phases. So I think that,
you know, we continue to show them those things and
what we need to improve the things that we do well.
I do think that they are trying to uphold the
style of play that we want to play with, and

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then we'll just it's every week is a challenge, and
then we'll move on. And you know, we're prepare to
go down and play the Saints that are coming off
a huge win at home, and you know, that's where
we're at, you know. So I'm happy for the players.
I'm always happy for the players. They're the ones that
go out and do it. I appreciate the coaches efforts,
but you know, we we expect, you know, a good

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week of practice. We expected to go in and and
and play well and give ourselves a chance to win.
And that's what we did. And again hopefully we can
build some confidence by the way that we played.

Speaker 2 (01:09:01):
You know, we gave up a.

Speaker 14 (01:09:02):
Touchdown drive to start the second half, but our offense
came back and answered, and they went down and tied
the game, and we came back and made a kick
and executed the time and the clock and you know,
gave them, you know, an MVP quarterback very little time
to to be able to do anything. So those those
are things that we had to do and so maybe

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that get we can show them and says what's capable of?
This is how we'd like to maybe do it a
little bit differently, But I mean I don't question to
buy in. I mean, I think that they're trying. We
just go a lot of things we can improve on.

Speaker 9 (01:09:35):
Helped along pint of those lines that to min a
drill at the end that you know by trad to.

Speaker 2 (01:09:40):
Win the football game, what does that do for It's
like that, I.

Speaker 14 (01:09:44):
Mean, you have to be putting those situations, and I
think you have to be in that situation to to
be able to feel it and you know, execute it.
Even the last play, the third downplay, we're trying to
you know, catch one out of there to the to
the flat and see if we can't get somebody to
break free out there. And you know, we've been talking

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about not throwing that ball away in that particular situation again,
not to necessarily unless it was to lose yardage, and
he made a great decision to not lose yardage but
also keep the clock going. So I think that those
situationally is where he's starting to improve. Not that those

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situations aren't critical, but there's so much that he and
Josh and Ashton and the offense are doing, you know,
with him right to understand those first and second down,
you know, operations procedures versus pressure and third down, and
then it's like, okay, two minutes and oh, by the way,

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like we want to be a good five minute football team.
We want to because that means that we're ahead and
that we're controlling the ball and the clock and that
we're using all the time. And but there there's certain
things that probably are a little lower on the list
of priorities. There's a lot more first and second third
down snaps than there are five minute snaps, not to

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make those less important, but you know, we're we're practicing
in them, and we're showing him and he's understanding. And
so that was good to because when you get into
that situation, you're pretty much in a it's two minutes,
but it's really five minute. You're trying to, you know,
take care of the clock to the best of your advantage.
So a lot of things that we can coach from
and and hopefully have some confidence.

Speaker 6 (01:11:29):
With with the decision at the end of the how
to kick the fields.

Speaker 8 (01:11:34):
I'm just kind of curious your thoughts on that one.

Speaker 14 (01:11:37):
I know, I just didn't want to do all that
and not come out of there with points, and that
just the way that the first half had gone, I
felt like, and not to look at the other side
of the coin, but to come out of there tied.
I just felt like at least we could say, you know,

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we we were we were in the first half, and
that we were in a position to kind of do
some things, so you know that may change next week
or the following week. And just felt like at that
point how it was going, just wanted to make sure
we came out of there with with points and a

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good feeling going into half.

Speaker 12 (01:12:21):
Do you do you have a plan for those types
of situations going into a.

Speaker 2 (01:12:25):
Game like that one like you and your staff saying
for the PAP we might have to be impressive and
go for six. But then did it change just based.

Speaker 14 (01:12:32):
On the flow of the game, And I think at
that point in time it did. I mean, we plan
on trying to be aggressive and not reckless. You know,
those are conversations that that stretching I have that we communicate,
you know, to Josh and to you know, everybody else
m certain times throughout the game where it's third and

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eight and if we get it close enough that it's
four down, we try to tell them that and if
we don't get any yards or lose yards and then
we make a decision to punt. I think that the
communication there is going well, trying to be one play ahead,
you know, but to Stefan's credit, you know, I mean
we're trying to coach that when a guy's not playing

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the football, you know, I mean, go back and create contact,
show the official that you're making attempt to go back
to the ball and go through the defender when he's
not playing the ball. So I would have liked to
reward him with a touchdown. Wasn't able to do that.
But yeah, I think that there's games where you certainly
want to be you know, you feel like you need

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to be aggressive, especially a team that's averaging close to
thirty four points a game.

Speaker 1 (01:13:43):
The chance so either.

Speaker 2 (01:13:44):
Watch it back or even in real time.

Speaker 3 (01:13:46):
What did you see on the past from Drake made
a days where he was like being you know, half
falling over as he got the ball out.

Speaker 12 (01:13:53):
Just what did you see on my play?

Speaker 14 (01:13:57):
Oh my gosh, Oh my gosh, we made it was
an eight yard loss to a twelve yard game, you know.
Just you know, he's continuing to grow and gain confidence
and show us and show everybody and show his team
and himself the ability to operate in the pocket, ability
to operate uh and scheduled move the pocket plays and

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then also off schedule, so putting the ball and good
locations and only you know, not throwing behind guys and
you know, going on the move and putting the ball
in harm's way.

Speaker 2 (01:14:37):
Anything in particular.

Speaker 1 (01:14:38):
You liked above the approach to rogues.

Speaker 14 (01:14:40):
And we had a good week of practice think that
they were really you know focused on what the environment
would be and what that would look like and how
we would have to operate and function. I thought that
was really important for a lot of young players that

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maybe haven't been in a game of that magnitude. It
was good to see them, you know, respond and operate.
And we had the one I guess, you know fall
start on the you know short yard is that was
you know, disappointing how close that was. I mean, that's
how they call it some of these guys and you

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know hunters line of scrimmage penalties frustrating, you know what
I mean, looking over at official that's fifteen yards away
and I'll have to you know, try to get some
clarification on that and how we're going to do this
going forward, but proud of the guys and how the

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way they competed.

Speaker 1 (01:15:47):
And now great moments in history. You never get into
what is that hideous shirt you're wearing?

Speaker 2 (01:15:55):
It come with the frog colors, that shark.

Speaker 1 (01:15:58):
It's a polo. It's a green polo.

Speaker 2 (01:15:59):
That's not green.

Speaker 1 (01:16:00):
It is green, and it's got mustard all over the
front of it.

Speaker 2 (01:16:04):
So it's like almost like the color of my Granny
Smith apple.

Speaker 1 (01:16:06):
But that's not green. That's lose.

Speaker 2 (01:16:09):
That's a good point ugly shirt distracts people from his face.
Well wow, wow, Yeah, he's.

Speaker 1 (01:16:15):
Just so mean. I can't believe he's ruined that. Wow.
What is that bag that you're wearing? That's another great moment.

Speaker 4 (01:16:25):
All right back here on Patriots on Filtered eight five five,
Pats five hundred is the hotline podcast at patriots dot
com is the email address. We've got a ton of emails,
so I'm gonna get to some. I know you're calling
in as well, but I just want to get to
some of these emails.

Speaker 1 (01:16:41):
Nicholas writes in, and he's Esquire, by the way, so.

Speaker 2 (01:16:45):
We should probably take this one a little bit more.

Speaker 4 (01:16:46):
Certain, Yes, Philip, so I says Pat's fan here from
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Speaker 1 (01:16:49):
Love the show.

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It's one of the few podcasts that offers great insights
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Paulie says, now that we've beaten.

Speaker 2 (01:16:58):
Buffalo, I'm not the only one who keeps Now.

Speaker 4 (01:17:00):
That we've beaten Buffalo, what do you think our potential
is for the rest of the season.

Speaker 1 (01:17:04):
Do you think the Patriots will start to get more
attention after this win?

Speaker 2 (01:17:07):
It's a good yes and yes.

Speaker 4 (01:17:08):
The reason why I asked that wanted to read that
email because I wanted to ask everyone, now that we've
have you reset your expectations?

Speaker 6 (01:17:17):
I have, I said no, I've been on nine wins
all along, and I'm staying on nine wins.

Speaker 1 (01:17:22):
I have not moved.

Speaker 6 (01:17:23):
I mean, I think there'll be some ups and downs
continuing along the way. You don't know what injuries are
going to strike. They need to fund a running game.
But the trajectory is pointed up.

Speaker 1 (01:17:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:17:32):
My mind was floor six, ceiling ten, and now I'm
veering more to the ceiling.

Speaker 6 (01:17:37):
I mean, i'd say the thing that's maybe affecting it
a little bit, not quite yet, but it's just the
lack of the top dogs really being the top dogs.
And now they're right now some new top dogs. But
we'll see if they stay top dogs. So that's that's
why I'm more interested in. It's just is the power
structure of the AFC going to all get a little
bit changed this year?

Speaker 1 (01:17:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:17:56):
I have the same expectations of the Patriots because I
thought they were going to be a much improved team,
and I thought Mike Rabel would help and that Drake
may would get better and all the things that are happening,
But the rest of the AFC in their schedule has.

Speaker 2 (01:18:08):
Gotten He's anything, if possible.

Speaker 3 (01:18:11):
It's somehow it's even easier than what it looked like
coming into this season. H factin Baltimore right now, the
Bengals look like they might start Joe Flacco moving forward.
They's traded for Joe Flacco with the Browns, so he
might be their quarterback. Who knows what is going to
be going on in Baltimore By the time the Patriots
played the Ravens. You know, who's going to be healthy
for Baltimore. Are they even going to have a chance

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still to be competitive this season at that point? If
these injuries don't get better for them quickly, so that
Ravens game now doesn't look so hard. Now the Tampa
game looks harder. I would say Tampa looks like a
real legitimate contender. But overall, I think that's the biggest thing,
is like this schedule is yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:18:52):
And I do my expectations have risen for the Patriots too,
And everything you haven't said about the AFC is factual.
But I did not think that, and I kept my
caveat all year was unless Drake may X, right, I
think you've seen Drake may X like he's making the

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year two leap right in front of us. He's getting
better seemingly every game, and that's the big thing. Like
Washington last year, I don't think was that much better
than they were the previous year. But the quarterback lifts everybody, yep.
And in the second half Sunday night, the quarterback helped
lift everybody yep. And I can't you can't convince me

(01:19:37):
that the defense doesn't play better because it has belief
right in you know, the plays that are being made,
but you know, look at the buy in for guys
like Booty who's getting one or two targets every week,
but seems to make a play or two every week.
He's the new David to Mario Douglas. To Mario Douglas
like throwing blocks at five foot eight and you know,

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getting called out by his head coach two weeks in
a row for his physicality. Like there's a buy in,
And I think it's stems from a belief that they
have a quarterback that if they all do their jobs,
he'll make sure that he does his and he's gonna
help us win. And I do think now I would
have thought eight, you know, eight wins was about the moment.
I'm up. I'm almost to the point where I would

(01:20:20):
say that if Mike's nine ends up happening, I think
you might look it back at that and say, that's
a bit of a disappointment. That means they lost to
a couple of teams that you probably don't expect them to.

Speaker 3 (01:20:28):
Yeah, so they I'm glad you mentioned the pop block
because that was on Diggs's thirty yard catch, the one
that he broke the tackle and ran after the catch
with If you watch that on the All twenty two,
there's like four Patriots sprinting to Buffalo bills to get
blocks for Diggs once he breaks containing and once he

(01:20:51):
breaks Bishop's tackle, they have booties blocking his guy. Pop
Douglas is shot out of a cannon to try to
get in front of Diggs to block the unblocked guy.
Austin Hooper converts into a blocker and is blocking down
the field. On the play, Garrett Bradbury is like twenty
yards down the field chasing it from behind, and like
that those types of things when you see that, like

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that is like culture, Like when you talk about building
a culture and like effort and finish and all the
different stupid tropes that Rabel has, Like I know, like
some of that stuff's like corny and like cliche, but
like that is like that is where it comes out.
It's not like the raw Ross speeches and all that
kind of stuff. It's when you turn the film on
and like there's blue hats just flying to the football

(01:21:35):
at all times on offense and defense. Like that's that's
the team that is bought into what they're doing.

Speaker 1 (01:21:41):
Yep, iron shopper AND's iron right.

Speaker 4 (01:21:44):
Michael writes in remember when Fred was wared that Diggs
was being too emotional before the game. I think after
a ten for one forty six game. He can be
as emotional as he wants. He's the type of player
that feeds off that energy and absolutely plays his best
when he's playing with emotion. I understand the concerns, especially
how he has acted in the past, but he is
now an eleven year vet and it's definitely grown up

(01:22:06):
quite a bit. My opinion, he was the exact kind
of veteran leadership we needed on this team.

Speaker 1 (01:22:12):
It's the biggest surprise for me.

Speaker 4 (01:22:13):
I mean, I you know, well, listen, okay, he can
blob me if he My point was, what if it
didn't what if he didn't get those targets? That was
my thing is he's all worked out that if it
doesn't work out, you continue on, because I yeah, I mean,
it's great that he he showed up and showed out
so great. Great, But you know, I stand by what

(01:22:37):
I said.

Speaker 1 (01:22:38):
Last Wednesday in the locker room.

Speaker 6 (01:22:39):
There was just something, a little bit, a little fire
in his eye that he could kind of sense that
he was looking at this game different. And I don't
know what. I don't know what Stefan Diggs was like
early in his career. I don't know what kind of
guy or leader he was within the locker room. I
wasn't there to see it, but I wasn't expecting him
to be such a force on this team that everybody
seems to really be rallying around. And I think the

(01:23:01):
wide receiver room needed this leadership. They needed this kind
of guy who can also back it up with the
talent on the field. And you know, I think that's
part of what's keeping guys like Booty in line or
you know, allowing them to stay patient. I mean, I
said to Paul Evan, like mac hollins, he has no
problem running like sixty go routes a game and just
clearing out like he's not really getting targeted at all.

(01:23:22):
But he's the kind of guy that Josh knows that
you're going to block and you're going to run down
the field today and you might not have a catch.
And I think that, you know, so I think that
room has a good dynamic last year, and it's completely
changed from what it was last year when they were
just up and down and immature.

Speaker 2 (01:23:36):
Diggs has been really good in the leadership role. You know,
I'm still a little skeptical of how long like long term,
if that will continue, but yeah, they've gotten everything they
could have possibly wanted out of him on and off
the field.

Speaker 7 (01:23:49):
Yeah, and it's two hundred yard games in a row.

Speaker 3 (01:23:52):
So like as much as this was like getting up
for Buffalo for him, like this game was obviously special
for him, but even still like the Carolina game, it
was already really good against Carolina and you could feel
that he was starting to perform at a much higher level.
But I mentioned this to you guys off the air.
I don't know if we posted it, but he when
he ran on the field, he didn't come out for

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early warm ups, he didn't come out for T shirt warmups.
He came out for jersey warm ups, and he ran
on the field and he was like dancing like as
he was running on the field, and he just like
had this like swagger to him that like you could
just tell that he was like in a zone already
in the game hadn't even started yet, and like, when's

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the last time a Patriots receiver has had that kind
of swag?

Speaker 1 (01:24:39):
You know, he's than anyone we've had for a while.

Speaker 2 (01:24:42):
Yeah, there was a comment that he made to Melissa
Stark too. I forget what it was now though, but
it was just like talking. It was like there's a
lot of conference, a lot of swag. Yeah, he was
ready to go. He's all sweaty before the game, he
was all lathered up. You could tell he had a
little different look.

Speaker 1 (01:24:57):
Ye get to New Orleans this week.

Speaker 4 (01:24:59):
Yeah, this seems Mailer calls himself the gripes of wrath
in Las Vegas. First time emailer, medium time listener. Which
decision by the Bills do you think was worse one
trying to throw it on Christian Gonzalez's direction on critical
downs or two wearing a blizzard uniform while it's eighty
three degrees out. In all seriousness, my question is do

(01:25:20):
you think our receiver corps Stefan Diggs looks so good
because of the lack of secondary of the Bills. I
thought I remembered hearing that they were banged up in
missing key pieces. Just wanted to get your thoughts. Although
I know you will provide insightful analysis, I'm really looking
for confirmation bias that we back.

Speaker 1 (01:25:38):
Also, overall, great.

Speaker 4 (01:25:39):
Performance by the Patriots and I'm stoked for the rest
of the season. Let's bring it back, Fred, say it
with me. Fifteen to two was still on the table.

Speaker 1 (01:25:47):
It is.

Speaker 3 (01:25:48):
Their defense does have some injuries, not so much in
the secondary. You know, they didn't have Oliver in this game,
and Matt Milano was in and out of the game,
and I don't think he really played in the second half.

Speaker 2 (01:25:57):
Yeah, his absence was not in the second half. But
that's yeah, I thought they got beat by I actually
think the Bill's defense played pretty well. I think they
got beat by just superior individual performances by the quarterback
and the number one wide receiver. Yeah, like, how like,
I don't know, what do you do different if you're
like on the sideline with Stefan Diggs on that plank.

(01:26:20):
I mean, and I would say, pick any of one
of three or four plays. You know, maybe they could
have tackled him better at times in the course of
the field, But those toe taps on the sideline, It's
not like he was wide open and easily caught the
He had like tiny window that Draked threw it through
and then unbelievable hands catches while getting your feet down
that thirty one that with the anticipation on the broken

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play down to the sideline. That wasn't bad coverage. Yeah, No,
And that's having like a tiny window to throw it.

Speaker 6 (01:26:48):
How many times did we see that the shoes on
the other foot when it was Josh Allen throwing those
passes to Stefon Diggs and you're like, it's third and
eight and you're like, and it's just an absolute pinpoint.
He taps his toes and first down. I mean, it
was nice to be on this side.

Speaker 2 (01:27:01):
I actually because I didn't I don't think a whole
lot of the Buffalo defense and all. And we talked
to a guy from the Buffalo News, Jay Skirsky, before
the game. I said, is the run defense as bad
as the numbers look? Or is it? No? No, he goes, well,
they struggle to stop the run.

Speaker 14 (01:27:15):
It's not.

Speaker 2 (01:27:16):
It's not deceptive. They have a hard time. And you know,
I thought they did a pretty good job against the run.
And then you're looking and you know they blitched at times.
They just got pressure with four at times, like I
just thought they flushed Drake out of the pocket. They
made him make some quick throws. I thought guys were
in the area. I didn't see a lot of just
like blowing coverages. I just saw Drake May and Stefan

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Diggs be better than the guys that were out there.

Speaker 3 (01:27:40):
I think that's what's more most encouraging about it is
that there wasn't like any of the like bills beating
themselves things. And they do a really good job in disguising.
They were spinning the dial like crazy on them, you know,
going one high, two high pictures, and they were they
were really trying to confuse him, and he read it
out like he saw all their different disguises are dropping
safeties from like the first and second level into the

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DP paths and things like that, and he's seeing it,
you know, processing it cleanly.

Speaker 4 (01:28:06):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:28:07):
The throwers you know, throw to Henry right up the
scene he sees, you know, he try it, thinks he
has one on one on the outside, and they spin
it into too high and he comes right off it
and goes right into the middle of the field to
the open part of the zone. And like, they're just
different things that they were doing that We're just they
were just executing at a higher level than the right.

Speaker 1 (01:28:25):
Dan and Poughkeepsie, what's up, Dan?

Speaker 4 (01:28:28):
Hey?

Speaker 1 (01:28:29):
You guys?

Speaker 12 (01:28:31):
All right?

Speaker 8 (01:28:32):
So I really wanted to gush and ask about one
specific play. It was the first play on the game
winning drive, by Drake May. Obviously the best play I've
ever seen the kid make. But Evan, do you know
the play I'm talking about?

Speaker 1 (01:28:46):
Yep?

Speaker 8 (01:28:48):
Okay, do you have any running series on what Josh
was cooking up on that play? Like I saw Will
Campbell go to the other side? Yeah, do you have
any running series?

Speaker 3 (01:28:56):
I was just curious counter bash baby, Yeah, it's count
bash and they did not bash.

Speaker 7 (01:29:03):
Yeah, they thank you, Fred.

Speaker 3 (01:29:04):
Yeah, it's an option play, as I way over explained
it last week. Yeah, option play and they just they
just didn't block it very well. And Bill's just had
you know, it's interesting, like these are little things. And
Drake May said that, you know, he was looking at
the stills when Borgolis was kicking the field goal, partially

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because he didn't want to watch, but he also said
that he messed something up in the Running Game. And
I do think there are you know, I don't know,
I'm not in the meeting rooms. I can't tell you
exactly what they're how they're telling him to coach things,
but there are times where they run in the Run game,
specifically where they're running a play and I'm like, yeah,

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that play is not going to work against that front
and they don't get out of the play. And I
thought that was one of those times because they the
Bills had a three technique over inside the b gap,
over the guard and the tackle that we're pulling, and
Bradbury has to get all all the way from center,
snap the ball and get all the way out to
the three technique and block the three technique. And I

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just don't think that you're going to be able to
do that like that. That three tech is just gonna
fly right up the field exactly like he did, and
he was on top of Drake. So I think that
that was one of those plays where they probably would
have liked that to as they say, can can you know?
Yeah and get out of that one?

Speaker 1 (01:30:24):
Thanks Dan. Let's go to Chicago. Nate's there. What's up? Nate? Nate? Chicago? Nate? Okay,
Nate is late. Let's go to Brian and Lowell. What's up? Brian?

Speaker 4 (01:30:41):
Brian and Lowell going three once twice, three times?

Speaker 1 (01:30:45):
You're out? Okay, back to the emails. The lines are
open up if you want to call in.

Speaker 4 (01:30:53):
Let's go Sam and Saint Catharine's obviously on cloud nine
after the win. But is it crazy to think we
could sweep the AFC East six and oh Jets are awful.
Dolphins we get at the end of the year at home,
which they'll be packed up and can't play in the cold.
The only toss up is Buffalo, who we get at
home coming off our bye.

Speaker 1 (01:31:14):
This is unbelievable.

Speaker 3 (01:31:16):
So I was looking at the week fifteen slate flex flex,
The flex is in play.

Speaker 7 (01:31:24):
It's in play.

Speaker 3 (01:31:25):
I think that the one of the primetime games is
like Steelers against such it's it's not a good game
on paper anymore.

Speaker 7 (01:31:33):
And if that's like low.

Speaker 3 (01:31:36):
Key for the AFC East, like, is there a chance
that that gets flexed in the primetime.

Speaker 1 (01:31:40):
Hat and T shirt game?

Speaker 7 (01:31:43):
Well, I mean, I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:31:44):
Think they're going to clinch the AFCs in Week fifteen, but.

Speaker 2 (01:31:46):
I mean it's it. These kinds of things are in
play when you go to Buffalo and beat Bills. These
kinds of emails are not out of the questions. Well speaking, yes,
they could speaking of flexing.

Speaker 4 (01:31:59):
Next week's game was originally a four to twenty five
game and it got moved to one.

Speaker 1 (01:32:02):
Do you think they're regretting that New Orleans? No, but
they're playing better.

Speaker 2 (01:32:09):
Like I don't know why you think they're playing better.
They're terrible. I mean, you're just trying to like pump
up the Patriots because I'm on board with that. You're
trying to help Mike.

Speaker 1 (01:32:17):
Their games have been competitive, you.

Speaker 2 (01:32:20):
Know, they play bad teams and they really haven't. Like
they lost like forty eight to three to Seattle, Like,
I don't that was early. It was like, okay, well,
the last game they played, the other team turned it
over five times in a row and they won, like
the Giant can. They're terrible. They're a terrible team too,
and by the way, we'll see them soon.

Speaker 6 (01:32:39):
One question of the panel, though, is could this running
game be the fatal flaw that kind of helps forces
the Patriots to struggle a little bit on offense going forward,
Like is is the running game important enough? They've been
hit with injuries. We're not sure what's going on over more,
Trevion still depends. I mean, right now, it seems like
you're asking a lot of Drake May to single handedly

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lead this team through the next games of the season.

Speaker 2 (01:33:02):
I was gonna wait till later in the week I
would say I understand Evan's point about like the then
that excites me. The most, and I would agree with
him that's that. Then it excited me the most, like
May and Diggs doing all these plays and making like
because you're good enough to do it, you're showing you
that you're good enough to do it. But it's also
the thing that worries me the most because I don't
think that you're going to complete all those passes on

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a regular basis.

Speaker 3 (01:33:25):
But we've seen them do the other thing against the
Carolinas and the Miamis and the Pittsburgh's of the world,
where they can scheme it up and they can get
guys open, you know, and not have to have Drake May.

Speaker 2 (01:33:35):
So let me get just like, you know, Buffalo, we
know is good, but let's just say, like, let's go
to like Cleveland. Yeah, Cleveland's got a pretty good defense,
and I know it's really hard to win that way
with just a great defense and you're gonna win thirteen
to ten. But that's how they want to try to play. Like.
I could see Miles Garrett making Drake May consistently have
to run to the right sideline all day. I could

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absolutely see that happening. I also know that John, we
can get to the game plan in three weeks. Josh
McDaniels and those guys will have a game plan specifically
for Miles Garrett. We know that, but I could understand
sometimes their guy is just better. You know. That's a
hard way to win. That's a hard way to win.
The way that they won the other night like that

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was like some high level stuff with May and Diggs.
And I keep saying both because I don't think just
any receiver makes those catches that that digs me made
at least three or four catches that I don't think
anybody else on the Patriots would have made.

Speaker 1 (01:34:31):
Making the catch and then making that guy on him miss.

Speaker 2 (01:34:34):
No, I'm talking about the ones on the sideline. Yeah,
the ones in the in the field of play were
on a point right there. And I know Tredevius White,
I said it before the game, and Tredevious White's clearly
on the back nine, but he was in reasonably good
position a number of times, and May just made the
throw anywhere. What if that throw is a little bit different,

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you know. That's what I you know, for Mike's concerns,
but my biggest concern is just everybody else is g
geting butchered with injuries. Like, are you're just going to
be that one team? Sometimes that happens. Yeah, Buffalo didn't
really get a lot of injuries last year, Washington either,
So sometimes you're just the one outlier that you don't
get banged up. I worry about the depth a little bit.
And if they lost some guys.

Speaker 1 (01:35:16):
Yep uh Joel and Otawa.

Speaker 4 (01:35:18):
I'm not just pandering to Mike, but the Ravens seem
to be on a downward spiral. Henry is pricey. What
would this trade look like?

Speaker 1 (01:35:27):
Derrick Henry, Derek Henry not trading?

Speaker 2 (01:35:29):
I just like, yeah, I don't think I don't. I mean,
I never like to say never because third runner.

Speaker 3 (01:35:37):
I don't see like the need for them to trade
for like a true like stud lead back, like like
a Derek Henry.

Speaker 2 (01:35:44):
Agree, why do you want to waste anything?

Speaker 1 (01:35:46):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:35:46):
Like, I don't think that it's that serious, Like I
know everybody's out on reminder with the fumbling.

Speaker 7 (01:35:51):
I get it, it can't he's.

Speaker 4 (01:35:53):
Got to stop forget about it being serious. Even if
even forget about the fumbling. If Henry was availab would
you go get them?

Speaker 5 (01:36:01):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:36:02):
I mean depends on what for Like if you want
if like no, No, I mean for what trade compensation like,
and it's like, you know, if it's a Day three pick,
tell me for.

Speaker 2 (01:36:13):
Like another receiver to go with Diggs. Sure, Like now
my offense is like totent. I don't need a running
back to do that, you know me.

Speaker 7 (01:36:22):
I think the.

Speaker 3 (01:36:22):
Running game thing is is a legitimate concern, but I
also think that they're still able to script things off
the running game. Even though the run game itself has
not been overly productive, the play action passing game has.
The option plays that they're running with Drake have been
mostly productive. Uh, they're still able to move the pocket
off the run action. So like as long as the

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run is good enough that it's setting up the pass.
Because the one thing that the run game isn't doing
is it's not going backwards. They're not getting a lot
of negative runs. They're just not breaking a lot of
runs to really drive up the efficiency. So they're still
moving the ball three or four yards at a time,
which is just enough to and he make the defense.

Speaker 4 (01:37:05):
Even then, like as it stands right now, if you
forget about the fumbling, which is hard to do, I
grant it, we have two decent backs, and I think
a good, good enough line where we can stay balanced.
If we're not turning it over, we can play a
balanced offense still. Now if you get one injury, another injury,

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we're in trouble.

Speaker 3 (01:37:30):
But that's my point is with the balance, like, they're
still able to be balanced. So just your passing game
is just going to be the better part of your offense.
But as long as you can kick it that way,
the balance whereas like when you get into real trouble
is when the run game is constantly going backwards and
now you have to abandon the run altogether. That's when
it starts to get it to be a problem.

Speaker 2 (01:37:51):
That's why said I don't think they need like Derek Henry,
like you can, you could run the ball. They need
to run it a little bit better than they have,
but it hasn't been to the point where they can't
run at all because.

Speaker 4 (01:38:00):
They can't get any If you're gonna stick with Remondre,
which they might have to, how this fumbling is is
going to affect his running style because he's best when
he's breaking tackles.

Speaker 1 (01:38:12):
I'm not worried about contact.

Speaker 4 (01:38:14):
And I can't see how he's not going to be
affected by I can't fumble the ball.

Speaker 6 (01:38:20):
I mean, do you think there's a chance that Reminder
receives in this year, gets back into form and you
have trust in him, and every time he carries the ball,
it doesn't look like it's rock'm socking robots and anybody
trying to tackle him.

Speaker 1 (01:38:31):
It's just coming in with the haymakers.

Speaker 2 (01:38:33):
You know.

Speaker 6 (01:38:33):
And can he do enough this year then to be
that back going forward or do you feel like it's
kind of an I mean like in my mind, I
feel like, yeah, we'll get through this year with Remondre,
but next year RB one is the need to me,
we need a guy that we can trust, and I
just I don't know if I can ever regain that
trust in Remondre. Even if he makes it through this
year without eight fumbles again, you know, maybe it's just

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one more.

Speaker 1 (01:38:55):
I still don't know how he can.

Speaker 3 (01:38:56):
It's a legitimate long term concern. I don't think they
really haven't any choice is right now to get out
of it. But in the offseason, like if you want
to get you know, your David Montgomery to your Jamier Gibbs,
a Trevon Henderson, and you go out and get another
sort of between the tackles early down back then like
you you might be in the market for that.

Speaker 6 (01:39:14):
What do you guys think of him as a running
back just outside of the fumbles, like, because there have
been games over the years where like great game by Remandra,
he's tough to bring down, he's got good hands, he's
a three down back.

Speaker 1 (01:39:24):
He can kind of do it all.

Speaker 6 (01:39:26):
But at the same time, you have plenty of games
where it's like completely ineffective, did nothing today, you know,
And I know that's a function of the offense too,
But I just.

Speaker 2 (01:39:33):
Think he's okay.

Speaker 1 (01:39:34):
I think he's okay.

Speaker 2 (01:39:34):
I think he's a good, solid, middle of the road
starting running back. But I don't look at him like
like Josh Jacobs. I think is better than that, you know,
those kinds of guys that do a little bit of everything.
I like Stevenson's versatility. I think he's underrated in the
passing game, both as a blocker as a receiver. But

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you guys are right, I mean, if you can't hold
onto the oh, he says it more than anybody.

Speaker 6 (01:40:01):
I mean there's probably maybe five games in his career
that you can look at and be like he was
dominant that those five, But you know it's been he's
been here for five years, you know, like it's been
a while.

Speaker 3 (01:40:10):
I just don't think he's a game breaking But I
just don't think like as long he's he's good enough
that if they have good blocking, then their run game
is going to.

Speaker 4 (01:40:19):
Be I also think he's been hurt over the last
couple of years by the lack of an offense in general.
I mean, like we say, they've been easy to defend, terrible.
You don't have to worry about the outside down deep.
So we're going to pack the middle. It's going to
be eight in the box and it's hard to run
against for anybody.

Speaker 2 (01:40:36):
Sixteen arms trying and you're one thousand percent right, Like,
they haven't had a good offense. And I don't care
who you are, Derrick Henry, I think would have offensive line. Yeah,
I just look at when when creases are there and
he's had one of those five good games that you're
talking about, do you have a look at him and
say that was an electric run. I don't think he

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has that.

Speaker 1 (01:40:57):
Maybe I think game he scored in as a rookie, I.

Speaker 2 (01:41:00):
Think Devin pointed out Carolina he had like a long
run against Carolina and he like got tackled, and as
he got tackled, you went. And Rabel actually said the
same thing, like we had one more guy to take
care of, and I think heaven kind of thought the
running back should have been explosive enough to take care
of that on his own. Yeah, And I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:41:19):
Even when he has a good free safety.

Speaker 2 (01:41:21):
He's a good player, like Demandra Stevenson is a good player.
I just want to, you know, restate that because it's
not like I think he's you know, without talent. He's
a good player. I just don't think he's anything more
than that even at his best.

Speaker 3 (01:41:35):
I just think I don't care, like there's a bottom
running and this isn't like a shot. I just like
there's like five running backs in the league that matter.
So like, no, he's not in the Saquon Barkley Christian
McCaffrey category, but like out of like the rest of
the just the guys that are in the league, Like
you have one of the.

Speaker 2 (01:41:56):
Guys and that's why he even goes. But that's why
I didn't go to the Gibbs Robinson, McCaffrey, like Josh Jacobs,
Like this is in every down back who's kind of
a traditional bat. He'll catch some passes to I think
when he gets creases their bigger plays than what Rimandre
gets with you know. I you know, we get into

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all the EPA and all that stuff, but like, I
don't think he gets much more than he breaks tackles.
Like he's hard to tackle when he's leathered up and
he's going. But I don't think he like makes these
big runs because he just made two guys miss in
the open field.

Speaker 3 (01:42:33):
Yeah they got they gotta get, you know, right now,
I don't see them getting a lot of second level
blocks from the offensive line and the tight ends where
they're really you know, right now, they're taking care of
the bigs. And that's why you don't have any negative runs.
Is like the defensive line isn't getting into the backfield

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and making plays in the backfield, but they're not getting
up to the linebacker level to really spring the running
back on these big runs. And that's how you spring
it is when you can get you know, guards and
tackles and tight ends and guys up to the second
level of the defense and really get you know, hats
on those linebackers. So like to me, like when I
watch their run game. It's definitely more a product of

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blocking than it is the guys carrying the football.

Speaker 4 (01:43:19):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:43:19):
The one little nippick I'd have about garrying the football
is like these outside zone runs, like they're just ramming
it right and like into the line of scrimmage on
some of those. I would like to see a little
bit more patients to let the cutback lanes develop a
little bit more. Like when you see teams that are
really good at outside zone, there's like a dance like
rhythm to it where it's like, you know, you kind

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of paste it out and it strings out and then
they cut up the field right up the middle of
the field and it's gone. Like Patriots don't have a
ton of those types of outside zone runs, but overall,
like they get like the first two to three yards blocked,
they just need to get them up into the second
and third level more often.

Speaker 1 (01:44:01):
Nola's in Austin, Texas. What's up, Nola? Nola?

Speaker 15 (01:44:07):
How do you sorry about that? First and foremost its
first time caller, But I absolutely loved watching the game. Yes,
it was kind of rough in the first tet, but
we got our win. I had a few things I
feel like Carlton Davis is still kind of disappinting as

(01:44:30):
I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, but watching that game,
it felt like he really wasn't much of an impact
other than letting big plays happen potentially. And then the
other thing is is now I'm kind of kind of
worried that this thing's game might be a trap game
for us. Just wanted to hear it could be.

Speaker 4 (01:44:50):
It could be funny that your name's Nola.

Speaker 2 (01:44:53):
I was thinking that was on the list.

Speaker 1 (01:44:55):
Yeah, I mean, Saints could be a trap game.

Speaker 4 (01:44:58):
But Carlton Davis, he flash, he had a nice pressure
that caused it incomplete and you know, did let up
a couple of plays.

Speaker 1 (01:45:06):
But I think he's the number two cornerback.

Speaker 3 (01:45:08):
Yeah, I think that that's sort of where the Yeah,
maybe my disconnect with it was some people is like
he's not supposed to be the Christian Gonzale. It's like
Christian Gonzalez is supposed to be Christian Gonzalez. He's supposed
to be a starting caliber, number two cornerback.

Speaker 7 (01:45:24):
Now, they paid him a little bit more.

Speaker 3 (01:45:25):
Than that, but that's because they went into free agency
to get him, So you're gonna pay top dollar when
you go into the market to get displayed. And I
think he's been exactly what they wanted, which is to
have a stable, consistent player to play opposite of Gonzo.

Speaker 6 (01:45:39):
Yeah, like they used the Coleman third down play where
they just toss it up to I said to Paul,
and that's the matchup you want.

Speaker 2 (01:45:45):
You want your big cornerback on their big receiver.

Speaker 1 (01:45:47):
They're going to try to just throw it up to him.

Speaker 4 (01:45:49):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:45:49):
I was really impressed with him.

Speaker 6 (01:45:50):
And there were a number of plays where you just
it just looked like great defense. It looked like the
rush was getting there. It looked like everybody was kind
of locked out.

Speaker 7 (01:45:58):
Very jazz.

Speaker 4 (01:45:58):
I was.

Speaker 1 (01:45:59):
I was jazz. Yeah he is, Uh, Brian's and Lowell
he's calling in again. What's up, Brian? Okay, what's up?

Speaker 2 (01:46:11):
Oh there?

Speaker 1 (01:46:11):
He is all right?

Speaker 8 (01:46:14):
Hey.

Speaker 2 (01:46:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:46:15):
What's you guys thinking about the game on Sunday night? Huh? Sweet?

Speaker 2 (01:46:18):
Yeah? Who won?

Speaker 1 (01:46:20):
Have you been listening for the last two hours?

Speaker 5 (01:46:25):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:46:25):
It was a good game.

Speaker 1 (01:46:26):
So you know how we feel. I know, I.

Speaker 2 (01:46:29):
Guys really feel I'm pretty hype about it.

Speaker 4 (01:46:31):
But that went over the bills.

Speaker 1 (01:46:32):
We actually snapped.

Speaker 11 (01:46:33):
Around fifteen Winter streak, a long winding streak down going
the Bills.

Speaker 2 (01:46:38):
Yeah, actually did that too, so not just beating them,
but we snapped the winter streak.

Speaker 1 (01:46:44):
Yep, they're home winning streak yep, yep. Yeah, on top
of it all.

Speaker 2 (01:46:49):
But by the way, yeah that kicker regardless.

Speaker 4 (01:46:52):
Why do you say his name is man?

Speaker 1 (01:46:53):
He's a stud regardless yeap.

Speaker 2 (01:46:57):
Oh my god, I was nervous.

Speaker 1 (01:46:59):
I was so I'm like, oh my god, make this.
I know I was right with you, right with you.

Speaker 2 (01:47:06):
Yeah, no gibs and now now gives and gives his injury.
Now that's theres man.

Speaker 1 (01:47:11):
Yeah, that's tough. Yeah, yeah, you hate to see that.
You know, should get if she get Chisholm.

Speaker 4 (01:47:20):
Now I think you actively running.

Speaker 1 (01:47:23):
Back yep, because yeah, he can run, be running back.

Speaker 7 (01:47:26):
He's got pretty good contact back.

Speaker 2 (01:47:28):
He could do the right turn kicks in there, right.

Speaker 1 (01:47:33):
Thanks a lot to call.

Speaker 3 (01:47:36):
It's my favorite trolling us or I think he just
wants to chat, checking in boos, seeing what's going on,
talking about the game.

Speaker 1 (01:47:43):
You want to get hot.

Speaker 2 (01:47:44):
You think there's any chance that that's an avenue for
Chisholm to be on there, I'm being dead serious. It
wasn't ironic at all?

Speaker 1 (01:47:51):
Kickoff? Yeah, why not?

Speaker 2 (01:47:52):
I'm havingue to get on the game day roster. I
mean there's obviously an opening, you know, put him next
to Henderson. I think he did a little of that.
I know we returned punts. Did he get any kicks too?

Speaker 4 (01:48:02):
I don't know.

Speaker 7 (01:48:04):
He doesn't really have the straight line speed.

Speaker 6 (01:48:05):
I remember I was thinking about Isaiah Bolden, I mean
a long gone now, but you know, he was one
guy that I know was in the mix with z.

Speaker 3 (01:48:11):
I also wonder if you know this would be two
rookies back there, but do you think about Kyle Williams
going back there? Who has practice kickoffs? Yeah, quite a bit.
And now that those are probably your two fastests.

Speaker 1 (01:48:24):
Now you're not adding a roster spot, right, I just want.

Speaker 3 (01:48:27):
And maybe not, But like Kyle Williams already is, like
you know, had a smaller role on offense, and this
might be another way to get his speed to impact
the game in some way shape of.

Speaker 2 (01:48:39):
He's another one that I noticed on Sunday night there
was a little quick uh screen to Douglas and he's
out in front blocking someone. It was Taron Johnson. So like, no,
but I'm just I'm using it as man like the
whole buy in thing. Yeah, might try to like downplay
that on Monday when he was asked like, so, what
does a win like that do for the buy in? Like,

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I think he kind of already felt like he had that, so,
but I do think there's a lot of evidence that
the players are playing at a different level, not so
much how well they're playing, but with different levels of
intensity and commitment and the finish that that we talk
about all the time, that kind of stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:49:16):
Kylurams parent, Kyl Williams gets open, Yeah, he gets open
on the film. It's not finding him right now, and
I'm saying that they like secretly have this like one
hundred and fifty yard receiver that like they're just hiding.
But you know, he ran like probably about ten rounds
in this game, and like he was open on a
handful of him. It runs good vertical routes, Like I'm
just waiting for him to hit one of those go balls,

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like that's coming.

Speaker 2 (01:49:38):
Be great to see.

Speaker 1 (01:49:39):
Drake's just developed.

Speaker 6 (01:49:39):
I mean, you clearly see Drake has confidence in throwing
a Hunter Henry and throwing a Stefon Diggs right now
and the other guys. I think it's a little bit
still hit or miss, but I think with I mean
one of those throws, I mean, I think the two catches.
I think it was the second one. Like it's like
twenty yards down the field. That's strike he threw where
that I mean, just unbelievable. You know, the trust is there,
I'm going to throw it to him. There's a lot
of eyes down there, but he comes up with it.

Speaker 1 (01:50:01):
Same thing with Diggs.

Speaker 6 (01:50:02):
Can another can Kyle Williams emerge over the course of
the season. So going in next year, you feel like
he's gonna have a bigger role.

Speaker 1 (01:50:07):
Yeh chosen Pennsylvania. Hey Joe, Hey.

Speaker 11 (01:50:12):
Guys, Hey, thanks for taking my call. Hey Joe, And uh,
first comment before my question, but like just about bot
like when he when he made that catch and he
extended out for that first down.

Speaker 8 (01:50:24):
Yeah, what what a stud play.

Speaker 1 (01:50:26):
It was a great play. Yep.

Speaker 11 (01:50:29):
How often do we stay Why didn't he just reach out?
You know it's like grant you, you don't want to
reach out in traffic, but on those sideline catches like that,
I mean and uh, and like like right around that
four or five catch mark per game, I think that
is like a great, a great number for him, especially
when there's like twenty some completion.

Speaker 2 (01:50:48):
Yep, he hasn't really been that though. He hasn't talked
five in a game since the first game, right, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:50:57):
I know he only had three, but I think right
around that, like, you know, I say that fortified mark
would be great for him, but.

Speaker 1 (01:51:02):
I think Paul said it earlier.

Speaker 4 (01:51:04):
It seems like every catch he does make is a
is a really meaningful catch.

Speaker 1 (01:51:09):
Right, showing awareness good.

Speaker 2 (01:51:10):
I mean, I mean he had those two catches that
were talking about, one he reaches out for a first
down and then the one on the sideline in the
game winning drive. I would just say, thanks, careful on
the one he reaches out on because you know, and
Evan might be able to speak to this better than me.
But Collinsworth mentioned at the time Mike and I immediately
thought it, did you run a bad route and be
sure to the sticks there? I think he's probably an

(01:51:32):
argument to be made on third you got to get
the sticks. And then I don't think coaches universally do
not like that reaching out thing like it worked, you know,
like Mike Vrabel was not happy with Hunter Henry two
weeks Ago on his touchdown down the sideline, that funky
throw from May. He kind of was very casually with

(01:51:54):
the ball down as he's going through the end zone.
You know, you don't know if there's someone there to
do all Dugger on that jack wagon from the Bengals
last year that was starting to celebrate as he's going in,
and you know, Kyle Dugger knocked the ball out. Ball
security is important and reaching out, I don't care if
you're on the sideline. You never saw a ball just

(01:52:15):
get knocked out of a guy's in Just sit there
on the sidelines like that's not They don't like that.

Speaker 3 (01:52:20):
So every time I see that, I don't like it either.
I mean, it's worse like doing it to reach it
into the goal line in my opinion, because that then
you get the fumble touched back thing and like you
know last night, Trevor Lawrence trying to do the Drew
Brees sneak and egos.

Speaker 2 (01:52:34):
But that's okay on fourth down because you lose the ball,
you lose the as long as it doesn't get touchdown
or something like that, that's not so okay. But yeah,
they've covered on the three yard line and was their
ball anyway.

Speaker 3 (01:52:45):
Yeah, but it's happen again this week, the kid in
Arizona Mercado. It's like every I don't understand how these
guys still are fumbling the ball but like dropping the
ball celebrating before they get into the end zone. I
kind of the homes was like kind of close. Last
night he ran one in on like an option play.
I agree, and I looked at it and it was

(01:53:05):
pretty that was you know, he was maybe a step
or two into the end zone.

Speaker 2 (01:53:09):
But can I just say something about the one for Arizona.
I don't know if you did. You guys see this
at all?

Speaker 7 (01:53:14):
I saw the reaction do it.

Speaker 2 (01:53:16):
I know that was not good. Yeah, I've seen it
a few times. I have not seen sort of the
pylon cam down the sideline. I got to tell you,
watching it over and over again, I'm not excusing it
because it just never will I will never understand why
that's cool. Why it's cool I scored a touchdown and
it's cool if I can drop the ball as I

(01:53:39):
go into the end zone. Like, I don't know why
that makes it any cool that you just ran seventy
one yards.

Speaker 7 (01:53:43):
It is kind of sweat.

Speaker 2 (01:53:45):
Why don't you just get in the end zone and
then do it right.

Speaker 7 (01:53:47):
I told that Mahomes did and it looked cool.

Speaker 2 (01:53:50):
So I've seen this play a number of times and
I'm not convinced that he didn't break the play in
the goal line before.

Speaker 1 (01:53:56):
He dropped it. Close. Yeah, it was close.

Speaker 2 (01:53:59):
I think that they're really being picky with them, like
to try to like prove a point, Like he reaches
out like this and for all the world, it looks
to me like that's breaking the plane of the goal line.
Then he lets it go. It looks like and I
think that they're deeming this as losing control of the ball,
and I don't think he lost control of the ball
until he actually crossed the goal line. Now, if someone
has a video that I haven't seen, then I'm wrong.

(01:54:21):
I just the ones that I have seen. It looks
to me like he broke the plane.

Speaker 4 (01:54:27):
Eldred's in North Carolina. Hey, Aldred, Yeah he caused that
three car accident.

Speaker 11 (01:54:36):
Well, I ain't nobody in front of me, okay, So yeah,
hey sir, take your victory lap. Oh buy me drink
at the bar, and they talking about your boy Drake,
So take your victory lab, buddy. He finally told me
over this time. You know, so I'm a Drake man,

(01:54:57):
a Drake may fan.

Speaker 1 (01:54:59):
Shitt the ind.

Speaker 2 (01:55:01):
We go.

Speaker 4 (01:55:02):
We'll talk about him, even though North Carolina won't nice
nice Freddy.

Speaker 11 (01:55:08):
About to blow up defut and AJ definitely won't.

Speaker 2 (01:55:12):
Now do you think something happened to.

Speaker 1 (01:55:18):
Him and Hurts got into it on the sideline? I
mean hot.

Speaker 3 (01:55:21):
Navy yea, there is that teams.

Speaker 2 (01:55:27):
Yeah, not all four ones are built the same.

Speaker 1 (01:55:29):
Thanks, I mean they were.

Speaker 3 (01:55:31):
They were up seventeen to three and coasting in that
game going into the fourth quarter and they blew it.

Speaker 1 (01:55:35):
Yeah, you know, it's tough to stay up on top.

Speaker 3 (01:55:37):
And their offense like completely just went in the tank.
Like they looked like, you know, they had the wheel
route to Barkley and all of a sudden they look
like they're the Eagles offense last year and they're not
running the ball as well as they were last year.

Speaker 7 (01:55:49):
The offensive line is of good to see. Yeah, there's
still four and one.

Speaker 2 (01:55:54):
Like, how about my Jaguars? These are like twenty eleven
Patriots problems that game last night.

Speaker 3 (01:55:59):
With the Jaguars, Like Trevor Lawrence is a roller coaster,
like watching him play is honestly, and like, so they
have him running this like this can system right where
he's got the two plays called and he's got to
pick the right play, and every single time the two
seconds through one second, the play clock is winding down
and he's like yelling and barking and doing all. It's like,

(01:56:20):
maybe just don't do it like you ever, Like, is
it really that big of an advantage to change the play?
Is it really like is that really working that much
that every single time you snap the ball there's one
second left on the play clock?

Speaker 2 (01:56:35):
Is it taking him a while the process which play
to call? Is that what it is?

Speaker 3 (01:56:39):
Like? Well, yeah, and I you know, they're talking about
a little they're talking about it a little bit on
the broadcast, and like they were saying that like he's
got to get out of the huddle faster so that
he can get to the line of scrimmage and look
at the defense and then make the adjustment. I guess
like they have the numbers that like seventy five percent
of the time he switches the play at the line
of scrimmage.

Speaker 2 (01:56:59):
So it's just.

Speaker 3 (01:57:00):
Like and not it's called the second place and it's
not just like there's two under center plays and we're
just gonna run the second run plays of the first.
They're going from like shotgun to under center or under
center to shotguns, so like the whole formation is changing
and then they're getting they there's the lay games.

Speaker 2 (01:57:17):
Like can system.

Speaker 7 (01:57:19):
Well a lot, I.

Speaker 3 (01:57:20):
Mean a lot of coaches run it like in that tree.
Uh you know, it's really like Brady used to do
it all the time, like the Patriots do it too.

Speaker 7 (01:57:27):
It's not that hard, Like it's.

Speaker 3 (01:57:29):
Just usually usually it's a it's a like it could
be anything. It could be two run plays to pass plays.
But it's just like, if we get this front, we're
gonna run this run play. If we get that front,
we're gonna run that run play. It's just it's not
that hard.

Speaker 1 (01:57:42):
One more call Troy's in Virginia Beach. What's up, Troy?

Speaker 2 (01:57:46):
Hey? It was doing on guys.

Speaker 1 (01:57:47):
Hey now you talk?

Speaker 2 (01:57:53):
Yeah, yeah, we can hear you.

Speaker 15 (01:57:55):
Okay, okay. I would like to take it back to
week three. I had an amazing time going up to
the boss and thanks for the sis of getting the train.
Had an amazing job.

Speaker 1 (01:58:06):
That was my first time ever seeing a fox.

Speaker 15 (01:58:08):
But very best. But I know the first few callers
or the two callers pretty much touched on it.

Speaker 8 (01:58:16):
I was wondering, since we.

Speaker 15 (01:58:18):
Have a dog in our camp, when was Kylee Walees
in a mix or you think.

Speaker 8 (01:58:27):
He'll see a good idea to put him in the mix,
you know, just for just in case purposes and something.

Speaker 15 (01:58:33):
Happened two days.

Speaker 10 (01:58:34):
You don't want that to happen.

Speaker 1 (01:58:36):
But yeah, well you mean in the mix of catching footballs.
Is that what you're talking about.

Speaker 4 (01:58:41):
Yeah, yeah, I mean I think a lot of people
would like to see him get more involved, including him,
but right now it's just not you know, the ball's
not finding him yet.

Speaker 1 (01:58:57):
I think his time will come.

Speaker 4 (01:59:00):
But we talked about earlier Troy about getting him in
the mix on kickoffs kickoff return. Thanks and thanks for
the call, and you know, I could see that might
be something to get him in the game.

Speaker 3 (01:59:11):
You know, I feel like it's sim and I want
to have woman to let but like with him and Henderson,
I just think people are being a little bit uh
not being patient enough exactly, Like it's this is the
fifth week of the season. Their rookies, like if you
just give it some time, like let let them develop.

Speaker 1 (01:59:29):
I mean it's a new offense for everyone, not just I.

Speaker 2 (01:59:31):
Would also say if the offense wasn't performing well, and
I think for the most part, say for the first
game of the year, the offense has been okay, like
what do you you know?

Speaker 1 (01:59:41):
Right? But everybody's always green.

Speaker 3 (01:59:43):
You always want to see the thing that it's a
shiny new toy and and I get it. But like
they're they're on these developmental plans, but he has to.

Speaker 1 (01:59:52):
Be that you'd like to see maybe stretch the field
a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:59:55):
If they can rush the rookie, if they could, you know,
integrate him into the offense, that would be all right,
that would be cool.

Speaker 1 (02:00:01):
We're going to integrate into saying goodbye. But we were back.

Speaker 4 (02:00:05):
Tomorrow catch twenty two tomorrow at ten, Tomorrow at ten.
How's Barth doing? Is he okay? Like he's doing his
soilst pants during the game at any.

Speaker 3 (02:00:14):
Point he's watching it at home. He doesn't travel, so
he's watching it at home.

Speaker 1 (02:00:18):
Does his mother yell at him to keep it shot?

Speaker 3 (02:00:22):
No, No, that wasn't a shot. I was just saying
I made me low and watching the game. He just
he said that this is the first time in a
while that his inner fan kind of came out a
little bit watching the Patriots, and I kind of felt
the same way.

Speaker 7 (02:00:36):
I felt something about this team for the first time.

Speaker 4 (02:00:38):
I think, if the Patriots get to the super Bowl
this year, we should all shape chip in and get
Barth a lady friend.

Speaker 7 (02:00:45):
You know we're going to say to get to them.
We're got to get him there.

Speaker 1 (02:00:50):
I'm sure that the station would send him down, right,
are you well? They would. They would have to. He's
their football guy, and he go to the super Bowl.
You don't send your.

Speaker 3 (02:00:59):
Football I mean, Paul's shows go to the super Bowl.
So I'd assume that they could find it.

Speaker 1 (02:01:04):
Yeah, we should. We should get up, We should get
up some company.

Speaker 2 (02:01:07):
The morning show is not going. Friend's quitting, that's what
he said.

Speaker 3 (02:01:11):
He can sleep on the floor in my hotel room.

Speaker 7 (02:01:12):
We'll get my.

Speaker 1 (02:01:13):
Cot there you go. Yeah all right, yeah, all right.

Speaker 7 (02:01:15):
Use a different bathroom though.

Speaker 1 (02:01:16):
We will see it tomorrow.

Speaker 4 (02:01:18):
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