Patriots Unfiltered 11/18: Jets Recap, Injury Updates, Week 11 Breakdown

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Speaker 3 (01:23):
All right, Welcome the Patriots unfiltered. It is Tuesday here
at Chilette Stadium. Seems like a long time ago since
we played a game, I know, a show back at Thursday.

Speaker 4 (01:33):
But we've got a lot to talk about.

Speaker 3 (01:34):
Nevertheless, going back to Thursday's game, everything that happened over
the weekend, it.

Speaker 4 (01:40):
All works out for the Patriots.

Speaker 9 (01:43):
Well we're waiting on the appeal, right, I mean, everything
works sound great for tomorro Chase.

Speaker 2 (01:47):
That's what we're referring, right, Well, that's one of the
things that's really the only thing they work.

Speaker 5 (01:51):
Yeah, that's gonna say. It's really this was a.

Speaker 2 (01:53):
Very anti Normally, when you have a bye week or
a mini bye week, like every team that you want
to lose loses. This one went the other way.

Speaker 3 (02:02):
Well, Kansas City didn't lose. I mean, uh yeah, yeah, they.

Speaker 4 (02:07):
We wanted them to win that Denver would happen.

Speaker 9 (02:10):
But a good debate that Paul and I had because
it goes into like, do you want someone to just
dead and bury them? Are you kind of concerned if
they sneak in a's like listen.

Speaker 3 (02:18):
Strategically, if you're a Patriots fan, you wanted the Chiefs
to beat the Broncos, But I can understand wanting to
bury Mahomes.

Speaker 2 (02:25):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean I want nothing to do
with my home, especially since neither happened, Like the Chiefs
didn't win, and the Chiefs aren't buried, no, no, no no,
but they took a step towards me.

Speaker 4 (02:36):
I kind of felt you got to lose one to
get toward being buried.

Speaker 5 (02:39):
Yeah, I kind of felt like this was a bad
weekend for the Patriots.

Speaker 2 (02:43):
I agree, And now all the games went against them.

Speaker 5 (02:45):
Well, and Williams is on injured reserve Thursday, Oh yeah,
but that didn't happen officially that he was going to
go on i R until Saturday, and and that to
me is it puts a little bit of a damper
on this Thursday night went honestly like you were gonna
win the game anyways, and so to so to lose
Millon Williams for the Bills and the Ravens game is

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not good. Like that's not good. So that's a tough one.
Like the first real no offense to Antonio Gibson, the
first real significant injury for the Patriots of the season.

Speaker 2 (03:17):
But Christians all too.

Speaker 5 (03:19):
Yeah, but you know that was the beginning of the year.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
You didn't know what you didn't have yet.

Speaker 5 (03:23):
Yeah, I didn't go.

Speaker 2 (03:24):
On I R.

Speaker 4 (03:25):
So yeah, first starter on I R. Well we'll talk about.

Speaker 3 (03:28):
What the impact of losing Williams for a few games
will be. But going back to Thursday, how about them uniforms? Huh,
great debut.

Speaker 9 (03:39):
You know what I thought, Fred, I just the stadium
looked great, Like just the lights, like the way that
it was all lit up, Like I don't is that
to me?

Speaker 2 (03:46):
Like I never really get a sense of it, but
here's the thing school out there. The way it was
all lit up. And then the player announcements I thought
was cool. I don't even like them.

Speaker 3 (03:52):
But since they since they put in led lights at
the stadium which allows you to do all that flashing stuff,
we haven't had a lot of NI game right, so
we haven't why, you know, chances to use them.

Speaker 2 (04:03):
But it's a chance.

Speaker 9 (04:03):
Like all the different screens around the stadium are all
connected now, yeah, like all of a sudden, it's all
on one kind of thing.

Speaker 2 (04:09):
And it's just even like the.

Speaker 3 (04:10):
Aisles of the seats had like something.

Speaker 2 (04:13):
Just looking out out in the press box. I was like, damn,
the stadium was pretty cool. Yeah, night, But that you know,
the uniforms thought really doing some juice.

Speaker 3 (04:19):
Well, yeah, the juice, I I really I think our
rivalries uniforms are the best.

Speaker 7 (04:24):
I do.

Speaker 2 (04:25):
Oh, I do too.

Speaker 9 (04:26):
Uh, but do you guys see digs running out like
you could tell like you to see other s to
get like announced it to come out and you know,
I just I'm I'm kind of a fan of this
switch is something different.

Speaker 2 (04:35):
I think it's great. I think there was some juice
in the building. I think. For as much criticism and
I'm at the top of the list for as much
criticism as I give Thursday night football, I think it's
ridiculous that they play it. They make an event out
of it. They they do it up. They bring a
lot of personnel. I think there's a lot of different
kind of bells and whistles that go along with it.
There was there was some juice in the building. It's

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a little electricity.

Speaker 9 (04:58):
Richard Sherman down in k sp Zalis didn't go up
in uh saying I was going to ask him.

Speaker 2 (05:04):
If he was mad, bro, but Bro, I thought he
might hit me, so I didn't. That was pretty cool.

Speaker 5 (05:09):
Salas feel to be the second best tight end in
the building.

Speaker 2 (05:13):
That's good.

Speaker 9 (05:14):
Uh Now, I always thought it was cool Richard Sherman
after Super Bowl forty nine kind of kneeling in front
of shaking Brady's hand.

Speaker 2 (05:19):
I mean it was.

Speaker 9 (05:19):
It was a little bit performative to me. Oh but
coming off of you, mad bro a couple of years before,
and so much respect for that defense. But Shrman's big dude,
I didn't I didn't have in person six three.

Speaker 2 (05:31):
Yeah, big guys actually are.

Speaker 9 (05:33):
And of course Turissa Thompson, Paul's he's friend was there
as well.

Speaker 2 (05:37):
I was saying, I think Currisa and I may have
had a moment.

Speaker 4 (05:39):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (05:40):
I don't want to always walk by her on his
way to the bathroom. I mean I did, I did
actually see her. I don't want to overstay at the moment. Well,
Alex Ali had a little chat, yeah, chat.

Speaker 3 (05:51):
And of course the main thing is the Patriots come
away with a thirteen point win over the New York
New Jersey Jets. So good stuff AFC East Patriots run the.

Speaker 2 (06:02):
East right for sure, good stuff. Josh Allen. That's six touchdowns,
so so get ready in a few weeks, you guys,
and you're get ready.

Speaker 4 (06:10):
Beer starting m VP I'm afraid of Mahomes.

Speaker 3 (06:14):
I'm afraid, you know, like come on now, healthy respect
before the season we were, you know, if they can
just show improvement and Drake May can just show.

Speaker 2 (06:23):
Them that's all gone exactly, that's all gone.

Speaker 4 (06:27):
Like we've done that. Like we're on like.

Speaker 2 (06:30):
Right, want you want now? You want the number one scene?

Speaker 8 (06:33):
Right?

Speaker 4 (06:33):
And you guys are afraid, who's it's all it's all gravy.

Speaker 2 (06:40):
But you say, I'm afraid it's all gravy. You're human, Orange, don't.

Speaker 3 (06:44):
I don't want any piece of Mahomes. A lot of
people have had pieces of him and they're beating them.

Speaker 5 (06:49):
I mean, you want to play Mahomes in a wild
card game?

Speaker 4 (06:51):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (06:52):
Like just like that, you're one and done and all
this great juju that we have this season.

Speaker 4 (06:57):
So you've already lost the game.

Speaker 5 (06:58):
I'm not saying you've already lost.

Speaker 4 (06:59):
Each other said that, just like that, you're one of them.

Speaker 5 (07:02):
Because comparatively speaking to what you normally would draw as
the seventh seed in the AFC, as a two seed.

Speaker 3 (07:08):
Jacksonville who says we're going to be the seed.

Speaker 5 (07:11):
Now, if that happens to be the Cats, we are
right now, they are the current two seed, and they
right now would face the Jaguars, which I think I'd
picked the Patriots to win the jackson against Jacksonville here
in January, when it's gonna be like twenty degrees, I
think I'd picked the Patriots to win that game by
three touchdowns. Okay, but if you have all of a sudden,
Baltimore sneaks in or Kansas City sneaks in, and now

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you're playing one of those teams, and now we're gonna lose,
it's just a bad draws.

Speaker 2 (07:37):
You're gonna lose. Why are you being why? Why you
it's just a bad draw?

Speaker 5 (07:41):
We can't bad draw.

Speaker 4 (07:44):
I just don't like the fear.

Speaker 2 (07:46):
I don't know why that has to be classified as
fear when you look at teams with the pedigree of
Baltimore and Kansas City and Buffalo and you don't equate them.

Speaker 3 (07:55):
With so all all seasons, the Jaguars or the Chargers,
all season were being told you got an easy schedule,
easy schedule.

Speaker 4 (08:03):
Then you get to the playoffs and you want more
easy schedule.

Speaker 2 (08:06):
Yes, who wouldn't you know?

Speaker 3 (08:07):
Who taught me that? Fred Kurk, not me, Not me.
I take on all comers. Oh, I take on all comers.

Speaker 5 (08:14):
I mean especially without the second by like you're playing
on wild card weekend. Unless you're the one seed and
you get Lamar Jackson on wild no one wants that.
Who would want that?

Speaker 2 (08:24):
I mean Fred wantson. I mean that you can't win,
like Fred's this whole fear thing. It's just no, you're
comparing like you can get a seventh seed or a
six seed as opposed to a team like Baltimore who
had all kinds of things happened negatively in the first
six weeks of the season. If they end up turning

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this around, like they look like they're on the way
to doing and they're say, I don't know, a twelve
win team and eleven win team and they go into
the playoffs of the seventh seed, that's better than playing Jacksonville.
I Mean what came to my mind was that Buffalo
is now just going to go.

Speaker 9 (09:02):
Into I think I suck Greg Rosenthal, but like mash
the seventeen button, like now it's just.

Speaker 2 (09:06):
They're getting down to the stretch.

Speaker 9 (09:07):
They're going to lean into their MVP player Josh Allen,
and I think that's you know what you're going to
see down the stretch.

Speaker 2 (09:13):
That's the guy that's going to come in here is
you know, it's not going to be Hey, let's wrest
some of our wide receivers or anything like that.

Speaker 4 (09:18):
Question.

Speaker 2 (09:19):
I have a Buffalo related question that I don't know
the answer to. I'm not I'm not on trial, not ayes,
I don't know, that's all. I can't. Why do they
have to play two Thursday night games? Why?

Speaker 4 (09:29):
Why do they have to be?

Speaker 2 (09:31):
Uh No, they do. They played Miami earlier in the
year on like Week three on a Thursday night, and
they're playing this Thursday.

Speaker 9 (09:36):
Part of the rule change of that teams can play
too now because of the flex ruling.

Speaker 3 (09:40):
All, obviously they can. But like I mean asking why
how did that happen? I mean, it's just schedule.

Speaker 2 (09:47):
Gods, Yeah, I didn't down. I think it's ridiculous that
anybody who plays one Thursday night game, let alone.

Speaker 4 (09:52):
Two, it is.

Speaker 2 (09:53):
And that's why.

Speaker 3 (09:54):
So you're saying everyone hates the Bills.

Speaker 2 (09:57):
No, I'm not going to as that's.

Speaker 3 (10:01):
A reserve for the Patriots, right, everybody hates I'm not
necessarily saying that, but it's it's weird to me.

Speaker 2 (10:06):
That, you know, I know, thanksgivings a little different because sometimes, yeah,
you know, the Dallas is in Detroit's have to play
other Thursday night games.

Speaker 4 (10:14):
But I don't know.

Speaker 3 (10:16):
Sometimes I think you're someselves, you know, like the request
an individual team gives to the schedule, like we can't
play this game, we can't play this week that forces
them to say, well, if you're going to ask for
those requests, you're gonna have to play a second Thursday
night game.

Speaker 2 (10:28):
Out having any of the information, I can't imagine anyone's
ever asked to play a second Thursday night.

Speaker 4 (10:33):
I didn't say they asked for that.

Speaker 3 (10:35):
I said that because of other requests they made, they
might have been can't have to play?

Speaker 2 (10:40):
Like can you give me like an example, like we.

Speaker 4 (10:42):
Have concerts or soccer games or whatever.

Speaker 2 (10:44):
They need a road game in week fourteen.

Speaker 3 (10:46):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (10:47):
I don't mean you have to play on Thursday.

Speaker 3 (10:48):
I'm just saying, like, like you said, no team request
to Thursday night.

Speaker 2 (10:52):
Games, but no team would make a request that would
require you to have to play on a Thursday night.
That's That's what I'm saying. Who knows that, but someone
to your point, someone might say, well, our stadium is
busy in week twelve, right, so you play a road
game that week? Yeah, Like it doesn't necessarily have to
go to a road game on a Thursday night.

Speaker 3 (11:09):
This some reason weird, There some reason why they ended
up with two Thursday night games, and I'm sure it
wasn't because they wanted.

Speaker 2 (11:15):
It, and they're probably not the only one. I just
happened to notice it this week that Buffalo I was.
I looked at it. I was like, yeah, there was
an injury report for Buffalo came out. I just said,
why do they putt an injury report out? I'm like, oh,
they're playing Thursday turn around.

Speaker 10 (11:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:27):
No, It's funny when we all get to watch football
on Sunday and soon to talk about.

Speaker 4 (11:31):
It's not just theriots.

Speaker 2 (11:32):
Can I just tie you spend your day? What a
terrific red zone Sundays? If you watch a lot of
games that went right down? Knowing that I enjoyed the
first of all, there were four really good matchups, but
in addition to that, a lot of the other games
even you know, like Carolina Atlanta, terrific game Tennessee Houston,
because as I spit at Tennessee.

Speaker 4 (11:52):
Houston was at least two overtime games, right.

Speaker 2 (11:54):
Yeah, the morning game, which sent sent coaching back decades.

Speaker 5 (12:00):
Coaching professional football.

Speaker 2 (12:03):
Well, it didn't help with if they had just kicked
field goals, the game wouldn't have looked as bad as
it was. Like, let's put it that way, but yeah,
two bad teams.

Speaker 4 (12:11):
I did.

Speaker 5 (12:11):
When I was watching Bucks Bills, I started to really
be even more thankful for Mike Rabel and Stretch because
watching Todd Bowles punt the ball back to Buffalo repeatedly.

Speaker 2 (12:27):
With this much was just that was ridiculous. I'm totally with.

Speaker 5 (12:31):
It, agonizing three times in that game, and I'm sitting
there and I'm rooting hard for the Bucks, right, I'm like,
let's go Tampa Bay and they're going toe to toe.
Baker's going right down the field on that Bill's defense, and.

Speaker 2 (12:42):
It's declared this is a shootout. You know what it
takes to win this game.

Speaker 5 (12:47):
And he's punting the day with from on the other
side of the fifty, like he's punting the ball just
so right, and I was like, what are we doing?
And I I know not to like be that guy,
but there's no way that stretches telling were able to punt,
like there's no way, and there I'm sitting there and
I'm like, how are we were punting? They punted the

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ball back to Buffalo in the fourth quarter down I
think it was five points in the fourth quarter when
they couldn't stop Buffalo the entire game, and I was like,
this is going to be a two score game within
two minutes.

Speaker 2 (13:20):
And you know your funny part about that is and
I thought the Sully thing when I was I was
watching it thinking the same exact thing that Evan just said.
And then they actually stopped him. They had a quick
screen to Shakir that was like third and fifteen. They
had it bottled up and they rip him down by
his head and they got the ear hole and the
underneath of the help. Like they made it so blatantly
obvious they had to call it, and they gave him

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a first down, and a couple of plays later they
had the two school They called out a face maskers.
Oh yeah, you can't do that. But even if you
don't just grab the earhole, ear hole, the bottom of
the hell, you can't take a guy down by the help.

Speaker 3 (13:51):
He can't any opening. You can't grab any opening.

Speaker 2 (13:54):
Separate rule for that.

Speaker 9 (13:55):
But you know what I enjoyed, Fred was I wasn't afraid,
but I did enjoy on Sunday morning, you know, just
screw around, pull up the standings, you know for the conference,
and I'm like, what is this two thousand and five,
and it's like New England won Indy two, you know,
right down the line of like it's just that that
visual of seeing the Patriots back on top. I mean,
I know it was albeit briefly, but still it was
pretty cool. Like my god, it's a lot different than

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than the last couple of years with his team out
and there it is, unfortunately the Broncos, but.

Speaker 2 (14:21):
You know, it's like right back to the old you know,
like I said, two thousand and five. So I'm gonna
go back just very briefly, maybe not the Bills, very
briefly scenario. Yeah, just again. I you know, I got
some heat for like cause I think it's silly to
talk about strength to victory and these times. That's the
perfect example right there. The fifth like Denver has the
tiebreaker because they haven't played the same amount of games

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in the conference, So why are we even looking at it?
Just you need you want Denver to lose, you want
Indy to lose. They have the same amount of losses
that you do. Like, don't worry about the tie breakers now,
they're not they don't come into play.

Speaker 5 (14:56):
Yet except when the Patriots and the number one see
because they're losing the time.

Speaker 2 (15:02):
But you don't need that to get the number one seed.

Speaker 5 (15:04):
And the number one seeds.

Speaker 2 (15:08):
Well, like Mike said, heading into the Sunday games, they
had the number one seed because the game, right, it's
just the visuals have played an extra game in the conference.
I just like the visual it's meaningless.

Speaker 3 (15:19):
Well even even like I saw the passing leaders. Drake
May's number one right now, but he also most of
those quarterback I think he has an extra game played, Yeah,
you know, because we haven't had a.

Speaker 2 (15:29):
You're talking about in yards Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's yeah,
he's there's a couple that would probably pass him when
they play this the important completion percentage, he's one, I
think rating he's two, he's he's top three and everything. Yeah,
so there's a good one. You talk about things that happened.
Maybe this isn't necessarily team related, but it was a

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good weekend for Drake May's MVP candidates. Yea, right, yeah,
because Sam Donald regrets to the mean. Finally, Hey, Jonathan
Taylor didn't play right, so he didn't help his candidacy.
B Sam Donald threw four picks.

Speaker 3 (16:05):
So cruss him off the this thing, right, Although.

Speaker 2 (16:09):
Matthew Stafford was very average, I mean, he didn't play
a bad game. He kind of did what he had
to do to win the game, but threw for like
one hundred and thirty yards and two touchdowns, so didn't
have gaudy stats. Good week, good week for Drake May's Canadas.
You know, look, Josh Allen, what I was just gonna say.
I mean, I honestly don't think he's really in it.

Speaker 5 (16:31):
Six touchdowns, I do, he's well, he's in and off
of reputation. Like if he's not had a great year,
if he finishes the back end of the season like this,
that's that's different. But it's not based off of what.

Speaker 3 (16:43):
I'm assuming and that he keeps playing.

Speaker 2 (16:46):
He did throw two picks, one of which was absolutely horrific.
The other one was meaningless. It was a fourth down
like heave that one, but the one out of the
end zone is as bad as play as you'll ever
see a quarterback make It's.

Speaker 5 (16:57):
Hard to uh if you're just looking at the MVP
through eleven weeks. I think Drake has the best cage said,
He's got all the counting stats, all the advanced metrics.
I think you can make the argument that he has
the worst supporting cast out of all the guys that
we're talking about, that he's propping up right now most

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wins in the NFL. It's hard to make a really
great argument other than Josh Allen is going on a
tear in the second half of the season to steal
it from him. I guess you could make an argument
for Stafford. But even still with Stafford.

Speaker 3 (17:33):
I was thinking about, like the MVP, and you know
some people, it used to be best player in the
best team, and now it's sort of changed to the
guy who is on one of the best teams with
the least support. So you know, when your quarterback or
your player gets that award under those conditions, is that

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kind of like an insult to the rest of the team.

Speaker 9 (17:58):
I mean, I think if you take it that way,
I don't think it's explicitly said in the in the
War that that's what it is. I mean, I get
what you're saying, and I kind of agree that's what
the MVP kind of should be. I mean, Offensive Player
of the Year should be somebody who's the best.

Speaker 2 (18:11):
But yeah, very you know, that's my philosophy on the MVP.

Speaker 5 (18:14):
Laid out who elevates the team the most?

Speaker 2 (18:16):
But who wants to tell?

Speaker 9 (18:16):
Who wants to go tell the Patriots like the reason
he won because the rest who wants to play?

Speaker 3 (18:22):
You know, well it just you don't want to use
the same word value, because but whose play is most
responsible for that team winning?

Speaker 2 (18:30):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (18:31):
You know, well this is why Josh Allen wanted last year. Yeah, yeah,
this is what This was what the voters, most of
the voters that uh, you know publicly stated the reason
why they voted one way or another was that they
felt like Josh Allen's supporting cast was worse than Lamar Jackson's.
Lamar Jackson had a great defense, he had Derrick Henry,
and they felt like it was harder for Josh Allen

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to do what he did. And so Josh Allen won
the MVP. And if we're going to go off the
same set of circumstances, you know, the same rule, then
I think it's hard to argue that the other guys
that are in the conversation, it's not the same thing.

Speaker 2 (19:06):
So the argument I made last week. Now, Matthew Stafford,
who I think has had an MVP year, eye popping
stats for Matthew Stafford, but he.

Speaker 5 (19:16):
Has Pookin Decour and Devonte and.

Speaker 2 (19:18):
Kyn Williams and Devonte Adams who has I think ten touchdowns.
Now Drake doesn't have all that. Now I'm not saying
that Drake has got nothing, but he doesn't have you know,
a top five receiver in the league. So I think
you get extra points for that.

Speaker 3 (19:36):
Another thing that over the weekend that I kind of
thought this going into the weekend, but this weekend confirmed
me one of the best offensive players in the AFC,
if not.

Speaker 2 (19:45):
The league is a chain. Oh.

Speaker 3 (19:47):
I mean, he is such a double threat and he's
so good. He is so good. He's the best offensive
player on that team, which is saying a lot and
I just have a lot of respect for that guy.

Speaker 2 (20:00):
He's a good player, yeah, absolutely, yeahs to get down
in bounds though, don't step out of bound.

Speaker 3 (20:08):
Yeah, But in terms of just the talent, you know,
he's driving that team right now.

Speaker 9 (20:13):
You guys think mc daniel's really going to survive like
I would just as a Dolphins fan. I think I
would be kind of disappointed if if they were going
to try to sell me on let's run it back
with two and McDaniel.

Speaker 3 (20:22):
I think it just depends on what they do with GM.
If the GM doesn't have any juice, then he stays.
If not, he could go.

Speaker 2 (20:28):
Yeah. I think that there's a So Miami is not good,
and I'm not suggesting they are. I will say they're
playing hard, and I think their schedule gets very light,
and I think they're going to win some games. And
if they do, if they take care of business and
win these games, I think he probably will stay. The
quarterback is going to stay because I think it's really money.

(20:50):
The money will kill them, like and it's cash. I'm
not talking about cap dead money, No, I'm talking about
money they owe him.

Speaker 4 (20:58):
If that becomes dead mind, if they get rid of.

Speaker 2 (21:00):
Yeah, I don't really care about the cap. I'm talking
about cash. They have to pay him to not play
for them. I don't think that they will do well.

Speaker 4 (21:06):
Don't they have to pay it for him to play
as well?

Speaker 2 (21:09):
Yeah, but he's playing for you. You he's your quarterback.
That it's different.

Speaker 3 (21:12):
So in other way, and I don't have the DT,
you might be right, you'd be paying double. You're saying
you're paying double if they bring in.

Speaker 2 (21:19):
Another I think I saw something that they owe.

Speaker 5 (21:21):
Him, probably lifety sixty million.

Speaker 2 (21:23):
Yeah, I thought I saw forty six. But yeah, so yeah,
it's not in cash, but they have to. They're obligated
to pay him.

Speaker 11 (21:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (21:32):
Yeah, like no one's going to trade for him. That's
the only way you get out of paying him that money.
That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (21:38):
I think you always get into a tough spot with
coaches like McDaniel where you're not going to find a
better offensive architect than Mike McDaniel, but you might find
like the whole leader amend thing right, like a better
head coach yep than Mike McDaniel. And so it's a
tough it's always toime.

Speaker 2 (21:54):
If they could do the reverse of Vance Joseph with
him to send him to the offensive coordinator. Yeah, like
bring in a coach to oversee it and say, but
but we love what you do with the offense, Mike, Yeah,
team anymore. Yeah, Like Denver is probably the best defense
in football.

Speaker 3 (22:11):
So ESPN is talking about the Kansas City Colts matchup
coming up this Sunday. I mean, listen, Patriots fans, you
have to be rooting hard for Mahomes this week.

Speaker 4 (22:21):
You have to.

Speaker 3 (22:23):
We need the Colts to lose, so you know, no.

Speaker 4 (22:27):
Come on, we're gonna get that one.

Speaker 2 (22:29):
Number one Sea.

Speaker 4 (22:31):
I want to remove all doubt.

Speaker 2 (22:32):
I'm with you because I'm focused on trying to get
the top seed. If I'm if I'm the Patriots, that's
that's my goal. It's worth everything.

Speaker 9 (22:38):
I mean, have a buy nowadays, there's only one left.
I mean, that's and we'll see then who the bottom
seat is waiting for you at the other side.

Speaker 3 (22:45):
But yeah, and listen, I hear what you're saying. Mahomes
is Mahomes, But I'm not sure. I wouldn't rather have
Mahomes coming to Gellette than us going to Denver.

Speaker 2 (22:56):
Absolutely rather have Mahomes coming to Gillette than going to Denver.
But I'd rather go to Indye than have Mahomes come
to July.

Speaker 4 (23:03):
I mean, yeah, you can always say that rather but yeah,
at the end of the day.

Speaker 5 (23:06):
My chances against bo Knicks in the playoffs not.

Speaker 2 (23:09):
In that building. Even Brady couldn't win there consistently. It's tough.
Four and seven, Yeah, Brady and Bill were four and
seven in Denver, three playoff losses there too, and three
in the playoffs.

Speaker 7 (23:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (23:22):
I don't know. I just I don't want. I would
prefer a playoff picture if I was the Patriots that
doesn't have Lamar or.

Speaker 7 (23:28):
Mahomes in it.

Speaker 5 (23:29):
But so whatever, whatever has to happen to make that
happen than five.

Speaker 3 (23:32):
But here we are, after eleven games, talking about playoff
seeding because.

Speaker 5 (23:39):
It's crazy, but it's crazy it receeds. So like if
even if you get the number one seed and you
have a buye to the divisional round and they upset
somebody in the first round, which they probably will, then
the divisional round is now Mahomes or Lamar Jackson coming
to New England. So whatever keeps those two guys out

(23:59):
of the wild card, now Baltimore might win the division.

Speaker 2 (24:02):
Yeah, so that you might.

Speaker 5 (24:05):
You might get lucky that Baltimore might.

Speaker 2 (24:06):
Don't like to tell people what they should think, so
I'm going to say this anyway, that's not what I mean.
I don't mean to, but that's what you should be
rooting for with Baltimore. Is that that they overtake Pittsburgh
and win the division, and then you wouldn't have to
see them, right, more than likely until later on.

Speaker 9 (24:21):
I think, to Evan's point, like set up Josh Allen
to have to play one of those teams, Like you know,
you want like the Bills Chiefs matchup in the first round.
You want the Bills Ravens somehow, you know, get try
to get one of those guys out asap.

Speaker 5 (24:31):
But like if you end up losing, give me the
march the Tomato Cans.

Speaker 4 (24:36):
Do you think there are any team saying we don't
want to be playing the Patriots.

Speaker 2 (24:39):
No?

Speaker 5 (24:40):
No, really, I think you're like kind of spinning. You're
saying like you don't want to play, like I think
they're like automatically going to lose. I just want the
easiest path.

Speaker 2 (24:49):
Like to be clear, I don't think anybody's saying that
about Denver or Indy either. I think the people will
focus on five, six and seven, not one, two and three. Yep, No,
I think that's fair. But is there a chance that
those teams just aren't as good as they used to be? Y?

Speaker 5 (25:02):
Yeah, yeah, But just like there is a chance there
was a chance in twenty eighteen that the Patriots just
weren't as good as they used to be.

Speaker 9 (25:08):
Yeah, and then you got to the playoffs and they
kicked into another gear. And that's I think what everybody's
waiting for with Kansas City Baltimore's sure, you know, you
just assume we'll be the team to knock him off.

Speaker 2 (25:18):
Yeah, well we'll see.

Speaker 9 (25:19):
I mean, I just I think every one of these
games is a coin flip, whether it's Kansas City coming
here or you know, I think the Patriots have a
chance against everybody, and I think everybody has a chance
against the Patriots, But the Bigs last six games.

Speaker 2 (25:30):
I mean, it's a lot that can happen.

Speaker 9 (25:31):
As Milton Williams come back and he's healthy and ready
to go in prime for the playoffs, like that might be.

Speaker 2 (25:35):
You guys work out more in tune with this stuff
because you pay attention. Is there any information about Milton
Williams beyond ir like anybody thin four to six weeks?

Speaker 5 (25:45):
Okay, that's what they're reporting is right now.

Speaker 2 (25:47):
And because those high ankle sprains we know can be
a lot of you know, variants. Yes, it feels like
the optimistic view would be that he'd be the fact that.

Speaker 3 (25:57):
He came out and played after the injury for a
few plays.

Speaker 9 (26:03):
Feel because Gronk came back and played at the end
of the AFC Championship right like in that twenty eleven
like didn't come on just block or something, and he did.

Speaker 2 (26:11):
He was just I think that's the thing with his
point is he came back and played on it in
the AFC Championship game, and two weeks later he couldn't.

Speaker 9 (26:19):
Like, I just I think that's the high ankle sprain.
It's it's it's not like this killer pain, but you
just have no juice to push off anymore, and so
you know, it's it's one of those weird ones.

Speaker 5 (26:29):
It also it swells overnight, didn't Jones?

Speaker 3 (26:33):
Matt Jones had the high ankle sprain famously. Now how
long come back?

Speaker 5 (26:40):
He came back in a month, Yeah, a month of
three to four weeks. But I think the biggest thing,
right is that, like, dude, does he have a procedure
on it, like the tightrope to try to expedite recovery
or do they think that rest and rehab and all
that good stuff is going to do the trick Because
a lot of guys go and get they get procedures done.

Speaker 2 (27:02):
If they should have him back for the stretch and
you know in the playoffs that you know that'll be
that's a relief, but it is it's a bummer that
he misses Baltimore and Buffalo. Yeah, any game, right, I mean,
like those two games, they're gonna need to have surgery
so he can get back for the Miami and the Jets. Like,
like I I'd prefer to avoid surgery whenever possible and

(27:24):
you know, let him try to get healthy on his own.
But I mean it's one of those injuries where there
seems like there's a wide range of recovery, time, severity,
all that things it does. He's been their best probably
their best defensive player. Yeah, so it's it's a loss now.
I do think, and I was listening to Evans Boy
Alex Bathy, I do think they have some depth that

(27:45):
that'spot They don't have Milton Williams. So I know some
people sort of attacked Alex are being too rosy about this.
He's not suggesting that you don't need Milton Williams, but
they do have kind of a one, A and one
you know, with Barmore, So they have a really good player.
Now Tonga probably plays a little bit more.

Speaker 7 (28:04):
Now.

Speaker 2 (28:04):
The big question to me is those guys that sort
of see sporadic playing time, can any of them play
with the same effectiveness with more with more playing time,
you know, like those those two that Mike just mentioned him.
You know, Dirtin he goes out there and he tends
to flash a little bit in his handful of plays
that he gets every game. If you're going to ask

(28:24):
him to play twenty plays, now, does he flash? I
don't know, we haven't seen it. You know, I'm not
saying it's really good.

Speaker 5 (28:30):
He's been really kind of sneaky good for a while now, Dirtin,
and they hope that he can step up. And he
was the guy that played a lot on third down
once Milon Williams went out of the game. It was
kind of him and bar More inside and then Tonga
just you know, short yardage when it's you know, third
and one, third and two, obviously you're gonna have Toga
in there, but Dirtin is kind of going to be
the other guy now, and you just hope that that

(28:52):
maybe they can do some of this.

Speaker 3 (28:55):
You think this kind of mini break can help Landry
get back into shape or is what he is now
going to be what he is for the rest of
the season.

Speaker 5 (29:02):
Yeah, you hope.

Speaker 2 (29:02):
It's a great question, Fred I think that's a great questions.
Is he is he hurt or is he slowing down?
Or Richard? And yeah, he injured.

Speaker 9 (29:10):
It does sound like the Swinson move is more somebody
wanted to poach him. But I also think that the
pass rush needs to improve, it needs to be better,
and they just they haven't been quite consistent enough.

Speaker 3 (29:21):
Because listen, no one is Milton Williams, so there's going
to be a drop off. And when you have bomb
War and Williams in the middle, that creates that push
They don't. It doesn't always register for a sack, but
it it gives the quarterback less room to maneuver, and
you're going to lose some of that. So pressure needs

(29:41):
to come from other places too.

Speaker 5 (29:44):
Ponder's gone in there, He's giving them a little bit.
I don't know if he's quite surpassed Landry yet, but
I think that that's closer than maybe you would have
imagined it being. And then, you know, I think that's
the biggest thing, is they already had like an average
four man pass rush, and so now can you generate
pressure with just four without Milton Williams or are you
going to have to be more creative in the pass

(30:06):
rush and start blitzing a little bit more. And we
obviously know the domino effect of what that does to
the back end, so.

Speaker 2 (30:12):
It's it's a whole thing, so nothing of what it
does to the offense. If Tonga's snaps are.

Speaker 5 (30:17):
Affected, Yeah, I don't think that's going to happen.

Speaker 7 (30:19):
I don't.

Speaker 2 (30:20):
I think they'll probably leave him in a similar role defensively, don't.

Speaker 5 (30:23):
Yeah, I don't if he has to play ten more
snaps on defense now the three snaps a game he
plays on offense, we have to throw those out, y know.

Speaker 2 (30:31):
And I'm not sure that that his role is going
to expand dramatically defensively. Me neither because of what you said. Yeah,
he's kind of a niche right down.

Speaker 5 (30:39):
Yeah, I don't know if he's going to play on
third and long.

Speaker 2 (30:41):
Although he does collapse the poppet when he's in there
and pass all quick. He's a wrecking ball.

Speaker 9 (30:46):
I mean, it's been I mean that was something that
I have big question coming in the year behind Williams
and Barmore.

Speaker 2 (30:51):
What else did they have?

Speaker 9 (30:52):
I mean, Tongo isn't under the radar signing Dirden. When
did he show up? I mean sometime in camp. I
don't remember.

Speaker 2 (30:57):
Exactly what was on.

Speaker 9 (30:58):
I think the Giants right right, right right, you know,
and Josh Farmer too, who's who's been a little banged up.
But you know, again, maybe like Travon Henderson, we get
a little increased opportunity here, a chance to contribute. They're
going to need those guys for sure, and they I
think they got to find some juice off the edge
to know.

Speaker 2 (31:15):
I think said it perfectly.

Speaker 9 (31:16):
It sounds stupid, but like they have an average pass rush,
they're an a you know, for all the praise we
heap on them for how aggressive they are, at the
end of the day, you know, it's it's not quite this,
you know, top notch pass rush that.

Speaker 2 (31:27):
We'll turn the page tomorrow to the Bengals. But I
think that's going to be a big part. I mean,
Joe Joe Flacco does not move well anymore. He's forty
years old. He's not gonna want to stand in there
and take hits. They're starting to add up to that,
you see that you don't want to devote too much
in terms of you don't want to get too aggressive
the way you go after him, because you need the
guys in coverage even if Chase doesn't win his appeal

(31:52):
on the.

Speaker 3 (31:52):
Other side of the ball. I know Tomorrow's turned the
page day, but Hendrickson out for the game.

Speaker 5 (31:58):
Yeah, yeah, he hasn't played while doubtful. Doubtful, yeah, Zach
Taylor said.

Speaker 3 (32:03):
And then Chase with their with their appeal, what do
you think the chances of that getting overturned?

Speaker 5 (32:09):
Very slim slim.

Speaker 2 (32:10):
Yeah, they got the approved film with that. That was
one giant lungy.

Speaker 3 (32:14):
Well, and the thing is, he's like, well mate. The
only defense I could see him saying is I was
just talking and it came out. But I don't think
the other player certainly didn't think so.

Speaker 2 (32:23):
I don't think that's much of a defense. I think
you spit at him.

Speaker 12 (32:26):
Not.

Speaker 2 (32:26):
My only thing is it's unprecedented. The suspension is unprecedented.
It's a fine until now. So that's the only thing
I will And the guy in the beginning of the season,
because he got he got ejected from that game. He
did not get suspended, but will you let me finish
for once? I'm just I think he's going to be suspended.
I don't think it's going to get overturned.

Speaker 7 (32:46):
Was told.

Speaker 3 (32:47):
Want to know that the reason why he didn't get
suspended because he missed the whole game, right.

Speaker 4 (32:52):
It happened even before the first snap.

Speaker 2 (32:54):
And it's so so still no one who's ever spit
on somebody has been.

Speaker 4 (32:57):
Suspended, I understand.

Speaker 3 (32:58):
But they said that he would have been had it
happened later in the game chasing.

Speaker 9 (33:04):
They would have kicked chasing and he wouldn't have been.
He's been under suspension. They'd seen it and thrown him
out of the Thank you.

Speaker 5 (33:11):
It was time served.

Speaker 2 (33:15):
Dak Prescott spit at Jalen Carter in the same game,
and they have it on video and they didn't suspend him.
Why because they deemed that it didn't hit him.

Speaker 4 (33:24):
Did they find him.

Speaker 5 (33:28):
On the ground generally spit at him. Let's call it
what it was, Okay, But I'm just telling you what
they the league didn't agree with you. That's just what.

Speaker 2 (33:37):
I would disagree with.

Speaker 4 (33:38):
But they didn't even find him.

Speaker 2 (33:39):
I don't know what they I don't know about a fine.
I don't know about a fine. Okay, I didn't get suspended.

Speaker 3 (33:46):
I think the point is with the one in the
beginning season, it was time served.

Speaker 2 (33:49):
I think he is going to stay suspended. Yeah, it's
very However, I'm not going to be surprised if it's
overturned because of the precedent. That's all the president. President
fines suspension.

Speaker 5 (34:00):
That's not true, Paul. The president is suspension. Jalen Carter
got suspended. He got ejected, yes, from the game, for
fighting and if he had spin on the guy in
the second quarter what they said.

Speaker 2 (34:11):
But they've never done it. But he's what I'm saying,
time sir. If they do it with this one, it
will be the first.

Speaker 5 (34:17):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (34:18):
And I think he should be suspended because I think
I saw on video he clearly spent right at him.
He should be suspended for that.

Speaker 5 (34:25):
The reason.

Speaker 2 (34:26):
I don't think there's any gray area. I think he's out.

Speaker 5 (34:28):
The reason why I said when president, they literally said
it was the reason why Jim Marchin.

Speaker 2 (34:33):
I know what they said. I don't believe them. We
just have a difference of opinion. I don't believe that
he would have been suspended.

Speaker 5 (34:39):
And understand how this could be a difference in opinion.

Speaker 2 (34:41):
Because he got he got ejected from the game for fighting,
and I don't believe they would have suspended him if
he hadn't gotten ejected. I don't believe it. Maybe they
would have. Maybe I'm wrong. We'll see. That's all I'm saying.
That was that was I know that that's what they said.
The just are the facts that Evan just Evan just
presented the facts, and they are undisputed, as they said,
and not a good message. Is exactly right, Evan is

(35:04):
one thousand percent. You're not wrong. You were not wrong.
Thank you. You are absolutely you guys have said exactly
what the league said. I don't believe the league. Okay,
this is what I'm trying to say to you, But
you guys are absolutely right, one thousand percent. That's exactly
what the league said.

Speaker 5 (35:21):
It's very clear that the league does not they considered
time served. They don't want people spinning on people. Choker
can So that was Cowboys quarterbacks. So now it's going
to be this is the president that if you spin
on somebody, you are either going to get ejected immediately
or suspended. And I think that that's and I will.

Speaker 2 (35:39):
That's why it's going to be up and I'm going
to watch, and believe me, I will tell you if
I start to see suspensions for this going forward, I
will say, you guys were right. That was the first one,
was the jail and Carter one, and that's what they've
started to do. I don't I think they pick and choose,
and I think it's all about these appruval films after
the fact. I don't think they wanted to suspend these guys.
I think they want to just find them.

Speaker 5 (35:59):
Now do you think that this should be suspendable, because
yes I do. I think it's the worst thing you
can do, disgusting, disgusting. But it's like, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (36:09):
I'm not telling you that, like Jamar Chase is this guy, look,
he lost his mind. Jalen Ramsey does this to a
lot of people. I'm not saying that this needs to
be like what Jamar Chase is known for the rest
of it. You can't spit on a guy yet.

Speaker 5 (36:20):
I mean, I don't want to be suspended. I don't
want anybody anybody either. But like I know, suspensions a little.

Speaker 3 (36:26):
I know, like everybody says, well, you know, kids are watching,
but it is true, and that's why they stop this because.

Speaker 2 (36:33):
It's not watching.

Speaker 4 (36:35):
Kids aren't watching.

Speaker 2 (36:36):
No, no, no, kids get better things to do.

Speaker 5 (36:40):
I just think that it's a little it's a little aggressive.

Speaker 2 (36:43):
How much funny is he gonna lose a game? Check
its four and forty one expensive loogie? Yeah yeah, And
I like I do. I think you should be suspended
for that. Im out because I wanted to see Gonzo
going against Jamar Chase.

Speaker 5 (36:59):
But it's like that's my point of.

Speaker 2 (37:02):
Need. Like, so I'm flying to Cincinnati.

Speaker 4 (37:04):
What my My entire.

Speaker 5 (37:07):
Existence is always about my own entertainment. So the more
like interesting things about a game storyline wise, I'm all for.

Speaker 2 (37:15):
So.

Speaker 5 (37:15):
I know a lot of Patriots friends are celebrating that
Jamar Chase isn't going to play in this game. I'm
not one of them.

Speaker 4 (37:20):
I want to you want to beat the best, Well.

Speaker 5 (37:22):
They're gonna win anyways, So like I just much rather
win with everybody out there. I'd much rather be able
to watch Gon's over as Jamar Chase for four quarters,
go toe to toe, like that's just more exciting football,
Like this is gonna be their backup quarterback with a
bump shoulder. By the way, Joe Flacco is a bad shoulder.
And you know, without Jamar Chase and without Trey Hendrickson, Like,

(37:43):
it's just not not a whole lot, not a whole lot.

Speaker 3 (37:46):
Okay, Kyle has something to say about Evan. He says,
Evan when talking about the Chiefs, you want to be
one and done. Evan seconds later, backpedaling, We can't just
say it's a bad draw. You weren't saying it was
a bad You were saying it's a loss. Your May
fan club card is revoked because you clearly don't believe
in him or the team. This is an over exaggerated joke,

(38:09):
but in all seriousness, I don't fear any team, and
I think May and the Page one can beat any
team in the playoffs.

Speaker 4 (38:17):
MAYVP, MAYVP.

Speaker 2 (38:18):
Yeah, now I agree with that.

Speaker 9 (38:20):
I mean, do you feel the same way about the
NFC though, Like I don't. I don't know if I
necessarily feel the same about.

Speaker 2 (38:24):
Listen, if we have to play an NFC team, it'll
be in the Super Bowl. Let's go like this whole
classification of fear, Like, I don't know what you want
to call it. There are some teams i'd rather not
see like I don't know, Like if you want to
say that like that, that you're afraid or not afraid,
I don't care. Semanticket all you want. I don't know.
I would rather play Jacksonville or Indy than Baltimore or

(38:47):
Kansas City. I don't care what the records are. I would.
I think that they have better players than those other
teams do.

Speaker 5 (38:52):
It just feels like nowadays too, like once these teams
are in the dance, like especially with these Hall of
Fame future Hall of Fame VP quarterbacks, like, but once
Kansas City is in the dance, I know that they
might have had the best season that they've ever had.
But if they stumble in at ten and seven or
nine and eight, they're still going to be a tough
out in the playoffs. I would just I would play

(39:14):
Denver or Indianapolis anywhere. I play him here. I play
them in Denver, I play them in Madrid, I play
them in Australia. I don't care. I am taking the
Patriots in that game.

Speaker 2 (39:26):
There's funny things that happen in Denver. I don't want
more than anybody Fred because every game they play is
in Denver.

Speaker 9 (39:32):
I get the bonix of it all though, I mean,
I get that what happened twenty years ago just had
nothing ever to do with anything.

Speaker 2 (39:39):
Then I would say, fine, But I see the guy
consistently plays play mid mid football for three quarters and
then all of a sudden he makes plays when he
has to, so that defense is going to keep them
in the game. And if he gets hot in the
fourth quarter and you can lose and in that in
that place in a four and seven, how many teams

(40:00):
is bill to do any that bad against the elevation
and the win?

Speaker 5 (40:05):
Like, what is the two thousand and five playoff game
have anything to do with what's going to happen in
genuous to play?

Speaker 2 (40:12):
If you want to say that, what does any game
have to do with the game that hasn't been played?
We can only go on history, But you're going back
twenty years, Like I'm not going back twenty years. I'm
going I'm going the whole entirety of the decade. That's
a decade, the whole entirety of honesty, they're five, four
and seven with the best quarterback who ever lived. They're
four and seven in that bill.

Speaker 4 (40:32):
It's a tough play.

Speaker 3 (40:33):
That's why the league lets them play there all the time, right,
they like it, even.

Speaker 2 (40:36):
For everybody was trying to work a joke in there
for but you do took it home, thank you.

Speaker 5 (40:40):
Yeah, I'll take the Patriots, but better coach Indy.

Speaker 2 (40:44):
I think India. I would. I would really like that matchup.
I wouldn't mind playing Indian.

Speaker 9 (40:48):
They say, like, oh, I think the Patriots like I
just think the historic context of it, the season that
they've had. You know, let's see what Daniel Jones has
in a playoff game. The Patriots run defense versus Jonathan
Taylor A lot to like that.

Speaker 5 (41:00):
I'd rather play them in Indy butt drinking A don't.

Speaker 2 (41:02):
Know what's the weak wouldn't have any problem playing Indie Indian.
What's the weakest team that could make the playoffs right now?

Speaker 3 (41:09):
Jackson Jacksonville, Houston that could Yeah, I mean probably Jacksonville.

Speaker 2 (41:14):
You can make you can make an argument for the
Chargers too, because of the state that they're in. Yeah,
I happen to think the Chargers are not going to
make you know what, I'm going to change my pick Pittsburgh.
Pittsburgh is the least talented worst team that could make
the playoff with Rogers he broke his break.

Speaker 5 (41:30):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (41:31):
I mean he was he broke his left I agree
with Evan that could help him. I think I think
he's just sitting duck back Mason.

Speaker 5 (41:40):
Yeah, still terrified the pressure.

Speaker 3 (41:44):
Dave says about the spitting, it's not about the disgusting factor.
It's about the immense disrespect.

Speaker 2 (41:51):
No, that's why respect. That's why Jalen Ramsey wanted to
fight him. But I'm talking about it's it is discussing
like it's it's disgusting.

Speaker 4 (41:58):
Yeah, you might as well just whip it out and
urinate on the guy.

Speaker 2 (42:01):
Yeah, whoa, whoa, whoa.

Speaker 3 (42:03):
I'm serious, Like it's just your bodily flute curl that
another player.

Speaker 2 (42:09):
It is I think discussed. I think you should be suspended,
and I would be surprised if they overturn it.

Speaker 5 (42:13):
They're not going to overturn it. And you don't want
kids doing it precedent, you.

Speaker 2 (42:17):
Don't want anyone doing it. I don't want adults doing.

Speaker 7 (42:19):
It, right.

Speaker 2 (42:20):
I didn't even like it when my hockey coach was
spitting dip out and back of me on the bench
like he always is discussed, always had a lipper in
and it was out. You know, he's just the winter
green smell. He would stit on the on the ground
or sit on the ground. Oh oh yeah, no, it's nasty.
You get yourself a copy of you know what it
was actually And.

Speaker 9 (42:34):
I feel bad calling him out, But little Bruins trivia.
Remember Jim Stewart, Jim Stewart goalie No went to holy Cross.
He played one game and he got slacked and he
never he never played again. Like what year, like nineteen
eighty eighty eight two somewhere in there.

Speaker 2 (42:53):
That's in my wheelhouse. I'm surprised. I don't. I'll send
you never heard of it, all right, I'll take your
word for it.

Speaker 3 (43:00):
Eight hundred eighty five to five PATS five hundred is
the hotline podcast at Patriots dot com is the email address.

Speaker 4 (43:06):
I know people are.

Speaker 3 (43:08):
Biting, shopping a champ bit champing at the at the bite.
I don't know anyway. They want to talk, so let's
get the listeners involved. We'll start with, well, he's been
holding on the longest Christian in LA.

Speaker 4 (43:21):
What's up Christian talking about you?

Speaker 13 (43:24):
Here?

Speaker 7 (43:24):
You guys?

Speaker 2 (43:24):
Okay, what's going on over there for you guys?

Speaker 7 (43:27):
Yeah?

Speaker 13 (43:27):
Here we will.

Speaker 14 (43:30):
Yeah, I'm in the airport.

Speaker 2 (43:31):
Lax Oh, changed in my regular Are you on your
way to belize?

Speaker 15 (43:37):
I'm actually headed east to you guys.

Speaker 14 (43:38):
Can you hear me?

Speaker 6 (43:39):
Good?

Speaker 4 (43:39):
Yeah, we can hear you.

Speaker 2 (43:40):
Keep talking, but yeah, yeah.

Speaker 15 (43:42):
I'm headed east to you guys. I'll be on the
East coast this week end.

Speaker 2 (43:45):
Oh where about?

Speaker 15 (43:46):
But but not not but not Boston with Beverly mass too,
who I usually travel with. Anyway, it seems like providence
is on our side again this year because we missed
Mike Evans with Tampa. We're gonna miss Jamar Chase. I
don't doubt if either Lamar Jackson is gone or Josh

(44:07):
Allen sprang to the ankle. I just feel like this
is out a year. We're on our way, guys. I'm
not having Milton woms. It's really going to prove. Is
it our run scheme or is it our run defenders
that's got us so good in the run?

Speaker 1 (44:20):
What do you guys think?

Speaker 15 (44:21):
Is it a combination of the scheme and the players
or is it mainly win or the other. I'll take
it off the air.

Speaker 3 (44:26):
Okay, So he's asking why is our run defense so good?
Is it just the players or the positions? They're being
put in.

Speaker 2 (44:32):
I think it's both. I don't know, your run defense
is this good? It's hard to point it just well,
it's just the scheme.

Speaker 4 (44:36):
I yeah, it's effort. You gotta be willing to get
in there.

Speaker 2 (44:40):
They picked players who, you know, Evan had a good well.

Speaker 9 (44:42):
I think it's a tweet you tweeted about their mistackle
rate of you know, even when they're I mean, they've
gotten a lot better at it, but they just fly
to the ball.

Speaker 2 (44:49):
They fly to the ball. It's a totally different style
of defense than what we're used to watching. And everybody's
bought in. Everybody plays with that uptown line.

Speaker 4 (44:56):
And it's not just the guys up front. Gonzo's making
run stops.

Speaker 3 (45:00):
Arcus Jones has got his nose dirty on several plays,
you know, so everybody's can it's a.

Speaker 2 (45:05):
Whole last couple of weeks, it's been a little nine shots,
five goals. That's not good, okay, one period five goals,
a little a.

Speaker 5 (45:14):
Little bit more leaky than it had been to start
the year. The last two year. Now, now Jets have
a good running game. They have a good mobile quarterback
or a quarterback that's mobile. I shouldn't say he's good
he's a good runner.

Speaker 2 (45:25):
No, he's a good Yeah he is so and so
I get that.

Speaker 5 (45:28):
But you know, last couple of weeks, it's been uh
and you know, Tucker game of his life against Buffalo,
So maybe he's just good. I don't know, but it's
been a little bit leaky.

Speaker 7 (45:38):
No.

Speaker 2 (45:38):
I agree, there's been signs of some cracks and they
weren't disasters, but they were a little bit more average
the last couple of weeks. Yeah.

Speaker 7 (45:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:48):
Do you think it has anything to do with how
the games are kind of unfolded at all? Well, I
thought it was weird that they didn't run more. I
thought I thought Breese Hall looked like he had some
chances to get things going and they kind of got
away from him. One of those three and outs in
the in the end of the first half was three
straight passes, which I mean, when you have you know,

(46:10):
a d Mitchell is the intended target, you might as
well just say we're gonna just punt it too now.

Speaker 5 (46:14):
So I was thinking about that because the Jets sound
like they're gonna bench justin fields they have for Tyrod
Taylor and if Adie Mitchell catches the football, like even
two out of the three are you still benching justin fields?
Because I and look, I don't watch the Jets every
single week. I know it hasn't been good for them

(46:34):
offensively or for fields, but I thought he puts some
throws into some competitive places.

Speaker 2 (46:40):
I didn't think he played a bad game, agree with you.

Speaker 5 (46:42):
And then to make that decision to bench him based
off now, like based off that game and not for
like a rookie that like maybe has something for Tyrod
Taylor like and that's the part that makes no sense,
and bench ad Mitchell like like Adie Mitchell was behind
the defense twice and dropped the ball.

Speaker 2 (47:00):
And how about the crossing route that went right through
his hands?

Speaker 5 (47:03):
Yeah right, I mean like he's behind Gonzo for a
potential touchdown. The ball is Yeah, it's like maybe a
little bit like of an adjustment, But you know, Kaishan
Boody is making that catch ten out of a time
time this.

Speaker 2 (47:14):
I don't think there's very many receivers in football that
don't make that touch other than it was a fine ball.
He's waiting on the line.

Speaker 5 (47:24):
That was the game that decided that put put it
over the top.

Speaker 2 (47:27):
We have but again, Like, and I know they wanted
to play Taylor, and my guess is Taylor wasn't quite
healthy enough to play. But if you had, Like I'm
just looking on ESPN, they got some stuff with Shedea Sanders,
Like if you let Shedea Sanders and you're like, he's
a third string quarterback, you know what, let's just go,
let's see maybe there's something there. We'll go to him.
Taylor was a career backup.

Speaker 7 (47:49):
He is what he is.

Speaker 2 (47:50):
He's fine, like he's but you're gonna make Why wouldn't
you just play Justin Fields the last six weeks? Maybe
he gets hot and you might already said I'm moving
on from Justin Fields no matter what. I don't care
how well he plays, you might be able to do
something with him, Like, I don't know, Like it just

(48:11):
makes no sense to bench a quarterback for Tyrod Taylor, Right,
what are you gonna learn when you have two wins?
Makes no sense. It's typical Jets, Jets jetting.

Speaker 4 (48:21):
Eldred, you want to talk about Adie Mitchell? What's up? Eldred?

Speaker 2 (48:26):
Oh boy?

Speaker 4 (48:26):
Hey all right?

Speaker 6 (48:29):
Hey, hell yeah, I'm still taking you still take them?

Speaker 4 (48:33):
You don't care?

Speaker 6 (48:33):
Attitude?

Speaker 4 (48:34):
Yeah, yeah, all drops, Mitchell, you'll take him. That's what
it was.

Speaker 2 (48:42):
It was pretty much all drops.

Speaker 6 (48:44):
I know he dropped, but like I said, I think
the attitude. I think he's still a man. Because he
got traded, I don't think anything to say about it.
But he did burn our all star cornerback three times
he got open.

Speaker 4 (48:56):
Would Yeah that's true.

Speaker 6 (48:58):
We got open more than one.

Speaker 4 (49:00):
But that's only half the battle.

Speaker 6 (49:01):
And I would take him, but I can't tell you
if we had him and May would throw to him,
he wouldn't drop him. Okay, I still take him. But
my question is this this what scares me. I'm with you, havn't.
I don't want to see the Chiefs or Baltimore in
the playoffs, not one of them. But my question is
if they want coverage with average teams, what they're gonna

(49:23):
do against a good team? And I take it off
the air.

Speaker 5 (49:27):
Yeah, that was one of my biggest takeaways from this game.
Like you don't watch the film through the prism of
was it good enough to beat Justin Fields and the Jets.
He isn't good enough, gonna be good enough down the line.
And I thought Drake May played one of his best
games in a while. I think really like I thought
he made one bad throw the entire night to the
deep ball to Kyle Williams was underthrown, but I thought

(49:49):
that was really his only true negative play the entire night.
But defensively, they they have some issues. You know, they
have some coverage issues that can iinued to creep up
every single week, And I think that the what you
worry about is when you get into the playoffs and
you know you're facing a great quarterback, will that quarterback

(50:10):
be consistent to just kind of nickel and dime down
the field on them, because I do think that those
soft zones are playing on early down some of the
man coverage stuff. You might not they might not be
hitting the explosives down the field like they were at
the beginning of the year, but there's a lot of
stuff underneath that's open that if you just have a
quarterback that's willing to play on schedule and just kind

(50:32):
of maticulate the ball and march the ball and can
do that consistently, then they don't give a lot of
resistance at times on first and second down. So I'm
with Eldred. I think that there are some cracks in
that foundation.

Speaker 2 (50:46):
Yeah, Mike and I talked in the postgame show a
little bit, and you know, we kind of remember, we
kind of disagreed a little because we talked about the
opening drive again, which has been an ongoing theme. But then,
you know, Mike was like, and then you know, they
just you know, they settled down and shut it down.
And I was like, I don't think they shut it
down in this game as much as you remember. And

(51:06):
they were three straight three and outs. We talked about this.
One of those three and outs included some of these
drops from ad Mitchell. But the second half, the Jets
really moved the ball every time they had it. The
only time they didn't move the ball in the second
half was when they fumbled on the first play, and
that that was just a fumbled snap. It wasn't anything
the Patriots did. They moved the ball reasonably well, they

(51:29):
scored a touchdown, they got down in scoring position and
turned it over on downs inside the ten. I think
another time, like it wasn't great defense, you know, considering
the opponent. Now you look at the numbers and it's like, whatever,
it was two and forty five yards of offense, that's
that's not good. But eight for fourteen on third down

(51:52):
for a team that can't move the ball, they haven't
moved it against anybody. I think the biggest concern that
you have for Pittsburgh opening Day.

Speaker 5 (51:59):
So the Jets didn't win a lot of three by
one in this game, and the Patriots kept Gonzo on
the boundary in three by one. So what the Jets
were doing was they were just putting a tight end
outside on Gonzo. So Gonzo is covering a tight end
and then inside the slot. Their number three receiver was
Mechi most of the time had one of the safeties

(52:20):
either Hawkins or Woodson on him and beat them two
or three times, uh one for a touchdown one eighteen
yarder crossing route over the middle of the field. Similar
thing kind of happened with with the you know the
motion that that led to one of those Mitchell drops
as well. So I just when you play man coverage,

(52:41):
like the best man coverage, teams dictate matchups, like they say,
they shadow receivers and they're not going to allow safeties
to get on wide receivers. You know they're gonna say, well,
if your tight ends flexed out and he's the one
guy over there, then We're just gonna put Gonzo inside
the slot over the three receiver side, and we're gonna
put the safety over the tight end. And so just
trying to be better about dictating those types of matchups

(53:05):
because you don't want to get stuck in a position
where Jalen Hawkins is trying to run across the field
with Yoshivas this weekend in Cincinnati and Gonzo's got Drew sample,
you know, like it just that doesn't make logical sense.

Speaker 4 (53:20):
Let's see Mitch is in Texas.

Speaker 10 (53:22):
Hey, Mitchyay, it's a long time listener. Thanks for taking
my call. So my question is really in statement, is
really on the run game. I know there's been feels
like the past few weeks kind of a pessimism or
negativity around the success of the run games. And I
feel like, especially the past few weeks of really liked

(53:42):
the balance when you look at the attempts per game
or third in the league in attempts per game, and
although we're middle of the pack and just you know,
yards per carry, a lot of the team's Eagles chiefs
rams are all right with us. Their consistency and ability
to run. I feel like inside the twenty in the
red zone has been really, really good, So just curious

(54:03):
to hear your thoughts and the success there, and I'll
take my call off here.

Speaker 5 (54:08):
Slowly improving up a lot of the you know, DVOA, EPA,
all that stuff is there. They were thirty second in
the league and run in the run game for a
lot of the season, and now they're like twenty six
instead of thirty second, So it's getting somewhat better. And
I think, you know, Trevon Henderson's breakouts obviously a huge

(54:28):
part of that. That's really helped me.

Speaker 2 (54:30):
How much do you point to like four plays you
know that have helped me move along? It's just, yeah,
I mean the numbers, like I'm not surprised to see
that the attempts is that what he could? Yeah, they've
stuck with it, Like Josh has done a really good
job of sticking with the run all year despite the
fact that they haven't had a lot of success, because
I do think there's importance to that. Evan points this

(54:51):
out every week on certain plays that get dialed up
and the just the impact that it doesn't you don't
have to run effectively to run play action in different
kinds of actions and stuff. Like that. I think Henderson
has given them a little bit of juice. But really,
you know, the two long runs aside in Tampa, the

(55:13):
production hasn't really been there. I don't care. I think
this value in the attempts and I think that's what
Josh has been doing and I think he'll continue to
do that. I think he believes in it.

Speaker 5 (55:22):
Yeah, it's their balance is important, and I think especially
out of twelve personnel, when they put both tight ends
on the field. When they can be balanced out of twelve,
then in the passing game, you can come out and
you can force defenses to play nickel or base against twelve,
and then that's when you can pass the ball out
of those groupings and get those matchups. So they will

(55:43):
come out in twelve, they'll run the ball, then they'll
show the same run action and they'll hit Hunter Henry
on a crossing route for like twenty yards in the
game on Thursday night. You know, those types of things
all marry up and set each other up off of
each other. If you just start abandoning the run game
because it's not productive in air quotes and all that
kind of run action stuff goes out the window.

Speaker 9 (56:02):
Do you connect any of that to the elevation of
Dupree or is that as simple as somebody else was
going to sign him, just like was rumored with Swinston,
Like is there any you know, being concussed that I read,
but I don't know that.

Speaker 5 (56:14):
Yeah, I do wonder. I kind of thought that Dupree
had a chance to be elevated last week.

Speaker 2 (56:19):
As a blocking tight end, and Mike and I talked
about it in the pregame.

Speaker 5 (56:22):
I love Hunter Henry, He's not a blocker. Every time
they ask him to max protect, he usually gives up pressure.
Now you know, you know the tight end is going
to lose to an edge rusher, so you're just kind
of hoping that he dies slowly, like you know, like
that that's the ideal thing. But I gave up a
sack again last week in pass protection, so it can
dupre who is a block He's like a two hundred

(56:43):
and sixty pound tight end.

Speaker 2 (56:44):
Like that's what did you see from Ben Brown as
the extra you know blocker.

Speaker 5 (56:48):
He hit a really good down block on Henderson's second touchdown. Uh,
And I think that that's sort of what they're looking
for there is can you know you make like a
four surface side from centered over to the tight end,
and can you really get that side to cave in
the line of scrimmage, you know, down blocking so that
you can pull from the backside like they did on

(57:09):
that touchdown. That's exactly why you put the sixth offensive
linemen on the field, is the draw it up like
that and then on occasion, which they did in this
game once or twice, they threw it out of six
to zero line. So now you have six blockers, you know,
that are all offensive linemen that can help block and
load up those max protect play action and take shots
down the field.

Speaker 2 (57:30):
The reason I asked is just because I wondered if
that had something you know, they felt like, well, we
don't need to elevate the guy because well, you know,
we're gonna use Ben Brown in this role. And maybe
they didn't think, you know, the try just looked at
yet twelve plays he played. You know, maybe they didn't
feel like he was great in that role and they
just let's just get an actual tight end to do that.
I don't I don't know. I also think that there's

(57:52):
a chance that Hooper's back right, but you know, we
won't know that for sure either.

Speaker 5 (57:56):
So yeah, all these things are you know, very trendy
in vogue around the NFL right now. You know, throwing
out of heavy personnel, six offensive linemen, dropping back from
under center, a quick game from under center, and these
are all things that the Patriots are doing as well
at a really high level and having a ton of

(58:17):
success with it.

Speaker 3 (58:19):
Did Bart Scott say it's disrespectful that Drake May is
in the MVP conversation?

Speaker 5 (58:23):
Did and he said it was disrespectful to Stafford and
Sam Darnold.

Speaker 2 (58:26):
I believe he did say that.

Speaker 3 (58:27):
He said it's Chris and Santa Fe says, it's like
all of a sudden, people don't remember how bad we
were last year. The mental gymnastics from Patriots haters reminds
me of the Dynasty years.

Speaker 2 (58:40):
Disrespect that's disrespectful to Drake May. Like, I don't think
that's like Drake May's played great. I don't know why
that bothers Bart. But I haven't really heard like the
national thing the Patriots of the national darling right now,
Like I haven't heard any of that. Like the ESPN
is in love with the Patriots right now.

Speaker 5 (58:57):
Good old Bart Scott, that's what he's quarterback but Scott
is tapped.

Speaker 2 (59:01):
I mean, let's call it. I mean, he's out of
his mind. I loved him in the O seven Ravens game,
just like firing the flag into the stab.

Speaker 3 (59:08):
That uh Sam And Saint catharinees Evan, the self proclaimed
king of the expected stats based on what should happen
given historical averages in situations, is now pooh pooing Paul
over him expecting the Patriots to struggle in Denver based
on historical outcomes for that situation.

Speaker 2 (59:27):
Yet he uses the same logic for wanting to play
the Colts.

Speaker 5 (59:33):
How did I use the same logic for wanting to
play the Colts.

Speaker 2 (59:35):
That they have good fortune against the Colts.

Speaker 5 (59:37):
No, it's nothing to do with that. I just like
Drake May in a dome. Like I don't mean to
make this about a weather thing, but like, I'll take
my chances of Drake May against Daniel Jones in a
playoff game, especially if you're gonna put him inside.

Speaker 2 (59:50):
But they don't listen, the Cults are a good team. Well,
I mean I see, well, I see they're okay.

Speaker 9 (59:57):
Patriots struggles at Indy too, and you know, at various
I'm sure I think I probably with Paul on this
of like, Denver is more the area.

Speaker 2 (01:00:04):
I think that Colts team is more of the team, Yeah,
Peyton Manning and I mean, of course it's tough to
play inside, and it's loud, and they got good fans
and all that, but still at the end of the day,
it's all I mean. I saw brock Osweiler beat the
Patriots in Denver. I mean, he's one of the worst
quarterbacks we've seen in the last twenty years, fifteen years.

Speaker 4 (01:00:20):
I don't like them, Jeff and Canada.

Speaker 3 (01:00:22):
Sorry, Fred, I will never root for Mahomes first seed whatever.
I know the logic behind what you're saying, but the
heart wants what it wants. The moment I turned on
that game, all I could do was enjoy the terrible performance,
like the pathetic passed through that was a pick six
that was called back on a weak holding call twenty
yards from the play.

Speaker 2 (01:00:43):
Listen, I get that will never get old for the
from Patriots fans. So the Chiefs don't get the calls,
get all the calls that will never get old. They do.
The Chiefs punting team got called for pushing the back.
The hunting team is the last time you saw that.

Speaker 4 (01:00:58):
There's two rules in the NFL.

Speaker 3 (01:01:00):
Nowadays, Denver gets more home games and the Chiefs get
more calls.

Speaker 2 (01:01:03):
Don't forget Buffalo. What is Buffalo? They get all the
calls too. You got to do that. You got to
keep up with you behind on that one, tirads.

Speaker 5 (01:01:11):
Buffalo is a home road problem.

Speaker 2 (01:01:12):
Though Buffalo has problems period. They've been inconsistent all year.

Speaker 5 (01:01:18):
Yeah, they're a weird team.

Speaker 2 (01:01:21):
They are. And what I would worry about with Buffalo again,
I don't want to use the word afraid because I
know that Parish people.

Speaker 5 (01:01:27):
Apparently.

Speaker 2 (01:01:27):
What worries me about Buffalo is what Mike talked about, Like,
do they get to the point in the season where
they see the finish line, they see what needs to
be done and they lock it in and you know,
they take care of business. Now that might look silly
come Thursday night. They might go to Houston. The Texans
defense is excellent. I don't know if they can score
with Buffalo, but they might not have to. If it's

(01:01:49):
twenty seventeen kind of a game, you know, and you
can look at Buffalo and say, Okay, that puts some
two games behind. They're probably not going to make up
two games.

Speaker 5 (01:01:59):
I think the thing that worries you when you watch
Buffalo is that all the trick shots that Alan has
had over the last couple of years where it works. Yeah,
a lot of those kind of playground plays are starting
to not work all of a sudden, and it's just
probably anecdotal and just a this year type of thing.
But like the shovel pass that he made last week, horrific,

(01:02:20):
Like that would have been like a first down. I
would have been like a twenty yard play somehow that
he pulled out of his butt. And now it's a
pick like you know and knows, but.

Speaker 2 (01:02:27):
He pulled a touchdown out of his butt in a
similar way the one to Shavers the deep ball where
he's like running around, Yeah, mostly throwing across the field,
like yeah, I giveth it, taketh that pick, that pick
in the end zone. You can't say enough bad things
about that. Yeah, he was like a ten yard chess
pass how I saw it. Uh, It's kind of like
the Chiefs of one score games too, where last year

(01:02:49):
ten and all last year or in five this year.
That's why I still would respect them, Like they're playing
good teams and they're losing these one score games, so
you're gonna feel like, obviously, at the end of the game,
if you've won, you feel fine, But like if you
were a Denver fan and that was the way the
game was unfold on the other day, you think that
Denver Denver was like, we got this when the other team,

(01:03:12):
when Kansas City's got the role in a tie game
with four minutes left, you like, we got this.

Speaker 5 (01:03:18):
Said that the Chiefs are first half team, so he
felt pretty good about its John Payton at halftime shots. Wow, yeah,
but I hear what you're saying.

Speaker 2 (01:03:26):
Then the Chiefs actually all played him in the second half.

Speaker 3 (01:03:29):
Yeah, Franklin Baltimore feel like I'm one of the opposite
opinion of Evan when it comes to Denver. Yeah, sure,
bo Nicks's mid as hell, But that defense they have
marries a hillacious pass rush with a top five coverage
unit that makes it hell on any quarterback trying to function.
We've already seen May's play falter a bit these past

(01:03:50):
two games against teams with a decent pass rush. Denver's,
in comparison, is a completely different animal. Honestly, they're the
only team I feel which poses a signal if it
could matchup problem against the Patriots offense.

Speaker 5 (01:04:02):
Apparently a lot of things I said triggered people today
you're doing. I hear what you're saying about Denver's defense legitimate.
Their pass rush especially is extremely legitimate, probably one of
the best pass rushes in the last couple of years
based off of some of the metrics. I just I'm sorry,
I'm just a lot of what we're seeing I think

(01:04:24):
with a lot of these teams, and I guess you
could put the Patriots in there too. Is like the
I I was going to drive people nuts. The metrics
do not back up the record like these A lot
of these teams like Baltimore, Kansas City that actually have
worse records, you know, they feel like, over the long run,
are eventually going to be better than a lot of

(01:04:48):
these teams like the Patriots, Broncos, Colts. Now, what I
like about the Patriots is I trust their coach and
their quarterback more than I trust these other teams. You know,
I don't trust Daniel Jones and Shane Steichen in a
playoff game, not yet. And I know that May hasn't
done it, but Rabel has, and I trust their talent.
I trust May's talent. I don't trust bo Nicks in

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maybe he has these great fourth quarters or these great
drives in the fourth quarter, or whatever you want to
call it. But I take my chances. I have the
better quarterback, and I think i'd have the better head coach.

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Speaker 7 (01:08:06):
Hey, guys, how are you great? Hard? Karen is doing
a civic duty? So if you got something.

Speaker 2 (01:08:15):
Okay with Milton Williams going and I are, I'm just
curious how you feel about the depth behind him and
just which guys are kind of expecting to step up.

Speaker 11 (01:08:26):
All the same guys that I think have been playing.
Eric Gregory played in the game for the first time.
I thought he battled and is continuing to improve on
the practice squad or see me in the show team
stuff and practice, and.

Speaker 7 (01:08:38):
You know, we'll hopefully get Josh back.

Speaker 11 (01:08:40):
And I would say that, you know, Farms is doing
a great job as well on the show team and
was ready to go in there at any point. So
I think we're okay there as far as the depth,
and I don't just have to keep working, keep moving on, which.

Speaker 2 (01:08:59):
Is building this defense, you know, for the first tech put.

Speaker 11 (01:09:02):
Is you know, we won't have Milt, you know, so
for the foreseeable future, he'll work hard to get back,
you know. So that's really where our focus is is
not so much as a reflection as it is just
focusing on how do we get the guys ready to
perform and continue to improve. The thing we're trying to

(01:09:26):
get everybody to understand is how much this is a
progress league and to be able to improve as the
season goes on. And so we'll have to do that
without Milt, who's one of our contributors, and you know,
it's a big part of what we've done.

Speaker 7 (01:09:42):
But we'll have to do it without a Mare for
a few weeks. I know, the inevitable photomical effect that
might occur.

Speaker 11 (01:09:49):
Does this maybe change your thinking when it comes to
using a guy like Tom gun special chief as well
about us?

Speaker 7 (01:09:55):
One of those are things we have to consider. But
it's also.

Speaker 11 (01:10:01):
You know, we just we have to do everything that
we can do to try to put the pieces together
to help us win. And I know that, you know,
we just have to be able to play the game
and put the guys where we expect them to and
any sort of injury can occur on any play at
any point in time in football, so.

Speaker 7 (01:10:23):
Every play is critical.

Speaker 11 (01:10:25):
And more block kicks this past week and on and
on and on, so we have to, uh, you know,
make sure that the eleven guys out there are the
ones that give us the best chance and in those
critical situations and kicking field goals and extra points is
a critical situation.

Speaker 2 (01:10:42):
What have you seen from Briden Swinson on the practice squad?

Speaker 11 (01:10:45):
Has worked hard, He's improved, and he's worked hard in
a weight room and those you know, changing his body
and getting stronger and learning special teams and.

Speaker 7 (01:10:59):
Doing a good job up there give us a great look.

Speaker 11 (01:11:01):
And those guys coaches have done a great job of
improving a lot of those guys and hopefully getting them
ready here for when they have to play.

Speaker 13 (01:11:11):
On him.

Speaker 2 (01:11:12):
Is this the time of year where you got to
protect your guys?

Speaker 9 (01:11:15):
You want to keep working with him and spend time
with like him, you know, developing as other teams can
come on your practice well guys and.

Speaker 7 (01:11:22):
Try to take them away. You know, there's some of that.

Speaker 11 (01:11:25):
You know, there's some of that, And again it's also
about opportunity and when we feel like they're ready for
it and when they've earned it, and you know, in
that case, you know, I think Branden has so we'll
have to evaluate what he can do and how he
can help us and get him ready to go.

Speaker 13 (01:11:42):
With m Andre and Kashawan, they who saw the practica
during the short week that they ultimately didn't play on Thursday.

Speaker 5 (01:11:48):
Do you have any update on them as a concern
he is heading into the streame.

Speaker 11 (01:11:53):
I would expect them to be out there Wednesday, and
then again we'll see monitor how that goes. You know,
to me, when you come back, it's just about you know,
the volume and handling what their their normal volume would
be and can they obviously you know, do their job

(01:12:14):
up to what we expect and what they expected to
be and being able to protect themselves out there, like
just a.

Speaker 2 (01:12:21):
Sort of a fall from the game.

Speaker 8 (01:12:24):
I don't knowing you guys have moved on from it,
but you might see some mobile quarterbacks.

Speaker 2 (01:12:27):
You are to see some mobile quarterbacks down the line here.

Speaker 10 (01:12:29):
How helpful?

Speaker 11 (01:12:30):
Maybe is it just to have that film now having
played fields.

Speaker 2 (01:12:33):
And some of the design quarterback?

Speaker 7 (01:12:34):
Yeah, I think it's always just to understand how fast
they are.

Speaker 11 (01:12:37):
Recreate the speed of a player like that, that's hard,
whether that's the design plays or the quarterback play extensions
that that turned into Chunkyardede. So you know there's a
lot to that to the run game and where those
numbers get, you know, moved around in the mobile quarterback
and so you know we'll have to play the run

(01:12:59):
much better, you know.

Speaker 7 (01:13:00):
Obviously moving forward. Brown's a great.

Speaker 11 (01:13:04):
Bat, you know, makes a lot out of nothing sometimes
and the cracks and his burst and his contact balance,
so uh, he's been fun to watch.

Speaker 7 (01:13:12):
So we'll have to do a great job this week.

Speaker 11 (01:13:15):
But certainly being able to see some of those quarterback runs,
I understand how quickly you know, they can get on
the edge and you know there weren't you know, the
ones that are critical are the you know, down in
the goal line when they're you know, it's three yard.

Speaker 7 (01:13:32):
Game is a touchdown, not a second and seven?

Speaker 2 (01:13:35):
How have you seen Delpez grow in the system since
the spring? And also how has he maximized the opportunities
that's got any games?

Speaker 11 (01:13:41):
And Dell continues to work hard and work on communication
and core special teams player for us and learning multiple
positions in the defense back end, working down as the dimes,
sometimes in sub and.

Speaker 7 (01:13:57):
In two minutes.

Speaker 11 (01:13:59):
And it's been good to see him take advantage of
the opportunities, showed up, made some plays and working hard
on all the little things that we give them each
and every week.

Speaker 5 (01:14:10):
Another few days off like you guys did this weekend.
Would you rather both players and staff get wait for
the game completely or still kind.

Speaker 2 (01:14:17):
To be engaged.

Speaker 11 (01:14:21):
Whatever gets us back to to neutral and be able to, uh,
you know, move forward and prepare and you know, stay
on our conditioning and you know, but you know, it's
a long stretch of games that we just had, and
you know, I think that the energy is great right
now where we're at, you know, coming back in here
on a Monday and meeting and getting all those things

(01:14:43):
reviewed and working out and so those would be good stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:14:47):
We'd seemed to veryan previously, be like the extra tight
end and some back just been Brown got that opportunity.

Speaker 7 (01:14:52):
What led to him getting those?

Speaker 2 (01:14:53):
And what did you think was performance?

Speaker 7 (01:14:55):
What led?

Speaker 11 (01:14:56):
And same thing that leads to every coach's decision. It's
about the the trust that you have and the player
knows what to do. And for Darien's right there, ready
to go.

Speaker 7 (01:15:07):
And what with Ben? Ben's done a little bit earlier
in the season, Carolina, I think maybe or he played guard.
They've both been repping it, you know, and just decided
to go with Ben, and you know, I know for
Darians ready to go as well. Earlier in the season

(01:15:29):
I had asked you.

Speaker 2 (01:15:31):
And now great moments in.

Speaker 7 (01:15:35):
History.

Speaker 2 (01:15:36):
If you say he's a friend of Eric, yes, isn't
that proper? Isn't a friend of Eric's redundant? Yes? If
he belongs to Eric, that's what the OV means. It's possessive.
So why do we get involve Eric's That's a good one,
like you don't know its friend Eric's friend would be proper.
But if you say he's a friend of Eric, that's
also proper. Now, yes, but a lot of people people

(01:15:56):
would say he's a friend of erics right now, I don't.

Speaker 4 (01:16:00):
I don't know that I'm right.

Speaker 2 (01:16:00):
I don't know that I'm right about that one. So
I'm not being all frank Eric right. That's how iired,
That's how I would write, ye grammar deep dive in yes,
ap Pilo English. I know it's very specific. I know
you just got on a blog and just wrote on
your own.

Speaker 15 (01:16:16):
Some of us had to go to.

Speaker 2 (01:16:17):
College and learn how to do it.

Speaker 4 (01:16:19):
Perfect elitism.

Speaker 3 (01:16:23):
Very good.

Speaker 2 (01:16:24):
But that's another great moment from.

Speaker 3 (01:16:29):
All right back here on Patriots Unfiltered A five five
Pats five hundred is the hotline podcast at Patriots.

Speaker 4 (01:16:35):
Dot Com is the email address.

Speaker 3 (01:16:39):
Urie in Brazil wants to know where else can I
listen to Paul Parolo talk. I know he's at Felger
and Maz once a week and I listen to them
every time he's on the show. Please let me know
where else I can listen to the big white Snark's
opinion in other places besides being called Sunshine dot com.

Speaker 9 (01:16:56):
Yeah, catch him on a Peeping the Deuce. Well, any morning,
if you were local, any library, you can just you know,
you can book him to speak to you.

Speaker 2 (01:17:05):
Because he does the library toward that's funny. The library
season is coming up.

Speaker 3 (01:17:09):
Yeah, that and any of the awards, you know, youth
uh youth sports award banquets.

Speaker 9 (01:17:16):
You know, people would enjoy just coming and hanging out
in our little bullpen when you know Paul comes in
and then holds court and you should put a.

Speaker 2 (01:17:24):
Camera in there, I know, like a little one of those.
You know, that's where the real opinions come out. I
wouldn't say this on air, but you know those not
just poems and all. Well that's what Fred, and Fred
says it on air, right, That's that's that's the difference.
Can't be trusted like Fred, that was in the corn
of silence in the press box. We're not supposed to
bring that on the air. Take that out and gets

(01:17:45):
on few Fred on filtered and he just let it few.

Speaker 4 (01:17:48):
There you go, Jeremiah.

Speaker 3 (01:17:50):
I understand everyone's concerned about playing in Denver, and I
think they are extremely valid. But I have to agree
with Evan who I'd rather see in the playoffs. I
usually think quarterbacks and head coaches are the biggest factors
in playoff games and would rather see the mid QB
who hasn't won a playoff game than see a three
time Super Bowl champ despite our team's history in Denver.

Speaker 5 (01:18:13):
How far do you think Drake me could throw the
ball in Denver? Because I think he could probably throw it.

Speaker 2 (01:18:18):
Like I didn't get that who's the three? I mean
neither the neither quarterback? I would have won a playoff game?
Oh Bonix, I think, right, yeah, referring to he's talking
about bone X, but then he was talking about a
three time champ, the Patrick Mahomes. Oh okay, all right.
I thought we were talking about Denver and the Patriots
about Denver in Kansas City. I even watched it. I

(01:18:39):
got lost in some of the pregame before that Denver game.

Speaker 9 (01:18:42):
I was looking at that stadium. I'm like, I don't
want to I don't like that place, Like I just
I don't know bad juju there for me. It's also
like my own experience when we played air Force on
college back in my day. But like we got off
the plane and I went we went to pregame ski
I couldn't feel my feet.

Speaker 2 (01:18:55):
I'm like, what is going on here? Like it's I mean,
I know I'm not a professional athlete.

Speaker 5 (01:18:59):
I was there couple of years ago and Christmas, and
as like it's fine.

Speaker 2 (01:19:03):
Like walking around.

Speaker 5 (01:19:04):
Yeah, like I mean, granted, like I'm not playing in
the game, which I said.

Speaker 2 (01:19:09):
Multiple physical activity, but I'm not tired at all.

Speaker 5 (01:19:12):
But as I don't know, this altitude thing doesn't really
bother me.

Speaker 2 (01:19:17):
All right, let's get to the hotline. Roberts in Seattle.

Speaker 4 (01:19:21):
Hey, Robert, Hello, Robert, Robert.

Speaker 10 (01:19:25):
Hey, can you guys hear it?

Speaker 6 (01:19:27):
Yes?

Speaker 12 (01:19:28):
All right, I got a quick scenario I heard on
first yesterday about the Chiefs missing the playoffs. There's a
scenario where in the Chargers last week of the season,
and the Chargers currently hold the tiebreaker over the Chiefs,
and there could be a scenario where Sehn Payton dressed

(01:19:49):
all the starters and let the Chargers win to knock
He's out of the Super Bowl, out of the playoffs.

Speaker 1 (01:19:55):
What your guys thoughts on this?

Speaker 2 (01:19:56):
Yeah, well, tiebreaker doesn't matter until they play twice. So
if the Chargers beat the Chiefs again, then it'll be
a moot point. But assuming the Chiefs beat the Chargers,
they will no longer have that head to head tiebreaker thing.
That's another reason why tiebreaker talk in the middle of
the season is somewhat irrelevant now if you want to

(01:20:19):
talk about like specific non divisional teams like Kansas City
lost to Jacksonville. Those are two teams that could be
fighting for the seventh spot. That tiebreakers relevant. Jacksonville has
the head to head, that's not going to change. They
only played once. If they tie, Jacksonville has the edge.

(01:20:42):
You know, that's different than teams are going to play again.
You know, like right now, the Patriots beat Buffalo, the first.

Speaker 5 (01:20:49):
About to ask you this, how?

Speaker 13 (01:20:51):
How?

Speaker 5 (01:20:51):
What kind of lead? What would you call the Patriots
current lead in the AFC game and a half, which
I thought was like common sense.

Speaker 2 (01:20:59):
None, no, No, it's two games if you listen to
Tony Romo, But it's not. And it's a game and a.

Speaker 5 (01:21:04):
Half literally, just baseball, it's a game and a half.

Speaker 2 (01:21:07):
And if if Buffalo were to win Thursday night heading
into Sunday, it would be a one game lead, you know,
like to me, if the Patriots lose the second game,
that tiebreaker is gone. Now the Patriots would still have
an edge. I talked about this last week too, because
of the division record, right, Buffalo losing to Miami was enormous,

(01:21:30):
not just for the fact that Buffalo lost, but they
lost in the division, right, that would mean the Patriots
probably are going to have the tiebreaker over Buffalo, provided
that they beat the Jets in Miami in the last
two games of the season. Even if they lose to Buffalo,
they will have that tiebreaker edge with the division record.
So now you just have to make sure you stay

(01:21:50):
at least tied.

Speaker 7 (01:21:52):
There you go.

Speaker 5 (01:21:53):
That's why the whole Milton Williams timeline. I do wonder
if like they were actually more concerned about him being
back for the Dolphins and Jets, because that's going to
be probably a hat and T shirt game at that point,
and you get him back, plays a game or two,
get him, you know, back up the speed for the playoffs,

(01:22:14):
and then you're into the playoffs.

Speaker 4 (01:22:16):
Okay, thanks Robert, Let's go to Patty and Hey, Patty.

Speaker 1 (01:22:23):
Afternoon, gens. What's going on? Hey, so talking about playoff
speeding and who we might play. I remember back in
the day, back in the Dynasty one point zero, I
used to listen to a lot of EI. Sorry, Fred,
I didn't know about Patriots dot Com back then, but
I would say it would it would be like split
fans would be worried about having to play teams like

(01:22:45):
the Colts or the Titans or the Steelers. And I
always had the mindset of not necessarily iron shirpinsion, But
don't you want to play the best competition because what
do what do you really learn about yourself and don't
have to play like.

Speaker 2 (01:22:58):
I want to win games?

Speaker 6 (01:23:00):
Yeah, I want to win titles.

Speaker 2 (01:23:02):
Yeah. I mean when they played Tim Tebow's Broncos and
had to buy to the second to the AFC Championship game,
I had no problem with that. When they played like
that terrible Pittsburgh team the year I think the year
they played Baltimore in the Division round, they had the
war with Baltimore. Then they played that awful Steelers team
in the championship. The next week's was it the Colts?
The Colts team?

Speaker 5 (01:23:23):
Yeah? That was older kind of touchdown pass it.

Speaker 2 (01:23:26):
Yeah, that was the game. Yeah, you're right, Yeah, give
me the Colts any day, any day.

Speaker 5 (01:23:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:23:33):
I know, I hear what you're saying, Paul, and I agree.
I just want to win titles. I don't I don't
care who we play. But at the same time, when
we go back and we look at you know, the
the double buys.

Speaker 2 (01:23:44):
We laugh at them, you know, and no, I know,
because we won titles. I know. No, that's why we
laugh at.

Speaker 3 (01:23:49):
We laugh at the games themselves as pushovers. And and
then you look back at those years where you had
to beat Pittsburgh and go to Pittsburgh and beat Pittsburgh,
and you you you look, you know, more fondly on
those games than you did like Jacksonville.

Speaker 2 (01:24:07):
But that's knowing I won, I know, but like if
I win, I would rather have beaten the best, the
best teams, you know, like the very first one in
one they were the number two seed. They played the
three seed in the division around, the one seed in
the championship, and the one seed from the NFC in
the Super Bowl. You can't get much more difficult than that,

(01:24:27):
you know, but they won, So like, wouldn't you have
rather said, jeez, it's too bad. Too bad the Jets
didn't upset Pittsburgh, so we can easier way if you
had lost the Tuck Bowl.

Speaker 5 (01:24:37):
I just remember when the Broncos, the tebou Broncos beat
the Steelers in the wild card round. I celebrated like
the Patriots had won a game, like because you knew.

Speaker 2 (01:24:46):
You just the Tim Tebow game. Yeah, absolutely tomorrow, Thomas.

Speaker 4 (01:24:52):
We talked about it before. I'll never forget when Denver lost.

Speaker 3 (01:24:56):
They were they were the runner, and you didn't have
to not just play them, but you didn't have to
go to Denver and you end up having.

Speaker 2 (01:25:04):
Can you imagine how nervous I got because you won't
remember this, but it was. That was a Saturday game
that the Broncos lost to the Jaguars and the Patriots
didn't play untill Sunday. I was like, just like Fred's
talking about the Broncos are out. The Broncos are out. Now,
I get nervous. Now are we going to be Pittsburgh?
You know, like you get worried about it. But yeah,
sign me up for the for the easiest route as

(01:25:26):
long as I get there. It's now, if I'm guaranteed
to win, sure, I'll take a tougher route win six.

Speaker 5 (01:25:32):
Where like you can have each one go a little
bit of a different like when you were in six
of them, you can say, oh, this one might have
been better than that one. But like, right, we let's
just get Mike Rabel and Drake May right, super Bowl.

Speaker 9 (01:25:41):
I don't really care, That's what I was gonna say,
because I you know, I don't really look back on
the Super Bowls and think much about the path to
get to those super Bowls, Like twenty fourteen is probably
my favorite one, but I couldn't.

Speaker 4 (01:25:51):
Really watch three games to glory.

Speaker 9 (01:25:53):
I own all of them, Fred, you know, hey, but
I don't like, look when I reflect upon my favorite
super Bowl, I don't think, well, you know, fourteen, yeah,
but they you know, just House the Colts, you know,
like that. But I don't remember anything about like that
Colts AAFC championship. But when you talk about like Tennessee
and O three and an m v P and then
you talk about like I remember those games, So.

Speaker 2 (01:26:11):
Maybe there is something said they remember the Baltimore game
games and because it was if it was a close game,
you'd remember. Yeah, yeah, that's probably maybe that's the case.
That's probably why I can't remember any like the Houston games.
You don't remember, right, like like oh yeah, right, like
Deon Lewis kickoff return. That's but that's about it.

Speaker 9 (01:26:30):
But like I could almost go blow for blow on
like the three AFC championship against Peyton Manning with you
high law picking all passes left the right, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:26:38):
Like you just but can you go blow for blow
of the five division around at Denver that you lost? Unfortunately, No,
and probably still a touchback, but you probably can't go
blow for blow in that game.

Speaker 12 (01:26:49):
No.

Speaker 2 (01:26:49):
But but I will say that's the games an outlive
for me because that's like one of the most impactful
games I feel like on me sitting here right now,
because like that game bugged me so much that it
just like sparked me into whole new territory of like
wondering about the Patriots and covering football and all that.

Speaker 5 (01:27:04):
It was a touchback like it was, it was a
Blaine I think that was like absolutely that was you
know uppings from the tuck rule. You know, they're like,
well you got the break, you know one, so now
we're gonna go.

Speaker 4 (01:27:15):
They couldn't have us continue winning like that.

Speaker 2 (01:27:18):
No, they didn't have it that day anyway. I mean
that was that game because maybe they might not want
to throw one hundred and eight yard interception and you
wouldn't have had that happened. Just saying, you know, Frady
was great and all, but that was a horrific play.

Speaker 4 (01:27:30):
Vinnie in Vegas, what's up, Vinnie?

Speaker 13 (01:27:34):
Hey, guys, how's it going all right? You know, I
apologize if you guys have already spoken extensively about the defense,
but I just, you know, I just started listening right now.
Don't get me wrong. I am very excited about the year,
and I think, no matter what happens from now on,
we can consider this a successful year, even with the

(01:27:55):
new expectations. But I do think that our defense is
going to be eventually a downfall. I don't think that,
you know, we don't. We made some quarterbacks, some bad
quarterbacks look pretty good. We don't take them all away.
We don't pressure the quarterbacks that you know, what will
be considered a high rate. I think Carlton Davis has

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been underwhelming, and I think Gonzo has been all right,
but I don't think he's been great. I just think eventually,
like I said, it's gonna catch up to us. Our
defense is just okay, nothing great.

Speaker 5 (01:28:29):
Yeah, I mean, thanks Vinnie, most of the stats we're
not perfect. Most of the stats would agree with Vinnie. Yeah, yeah,
they're they're I think they're twenty eighth right now in
DVOA on defense. Like most of the metrics and even
some of the eye tests, I would say that would agree. Now,
every week I think it's gonna come and bite them
in the butt. And every week they give up an

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opening drive touchdown and then they give up no points
for two quarters. So eventually you're going to play a
team that maybe is better. But I just watched Tampa
Bay go up and down the field in Buffalo against
the Bills in different kind of game, different type of
you know, situation, But they didn't do that against the
Patriots defense. You know, they had some success, but they
didn't put thirty three points up on the Patriots defense.

(01:29:12):
So I don't know. Every week I think it's going
to be that week that they're going to finally the
Chickens are going to come home to roost. And every
week I look up in the fourth quarter and it's
seventeen twenty twenty one points, So maybe it won't in.

Speaker 9 (01:29:26):
Sometimes it's almost the same thing as like the run
gamer you're just talking about where a few handful of
plays kind of change how you think about it. And
I think some of the defense in that way too,
Like there's you know a handful of defensive plays over
the course of this season that have dramatically impacted games.
But you know, on a down to down basis, I
don't know how great the running game is, and on
a down to down basis, I don't know how great
the defense is.

Speaker 2 (01:29:46):
I think I mean a lot of what any just said.

Speaker 9 (01:29:48):
It's it's you just wonder if a team is going
to come out and really not blank after that first
drive and score and then score again. And you and
I at least like the Patriots' chances with Drake made
to keep pace now with that, like that, if that
was you know, Mac Jones will still the quarterback, you'd
be like death sentence, like, you know. So I still
think that they're going to be able to get into
some of those back and forth kind of games. But

(01:30:09):
but I get it, you know, and I think that's
you know, I want to learn the truth, you know.

Speaker 5 (01:30:14):
Do they have the ability, like if a team comes
out that has a good offense, that's willing to be
aggressive on first and second down and just actually throw
the ball, because what's happening right now is that first
down happens. Then they get into these second downs and
teams are running the ball on second and down against
the Patriots, And the Patriots run defense has been really,
really good so now you know they might get five

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six yards on first down, then they get zero yards
on second down, and then all of a sudden you're
playing the third and medium. And that's just been the
pattern all year long. So do if one of these teams,
you know, I I'd to whoever in the playoffs, if
you just go into this game and you say, you
know what, we're probably going to throw it forty five
times and that we're not really going to be able

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to run much on these guys. We're not going to
get into second and and run the ball and turn
it into third and long automatically. We're going to throw
the ball on first and second down aggressively. Did the
Patriots have the ability to stop it?

Speaker 2 (01:31:09):
Dink and dunk middle of the field right like Brady? Would?
Brady be a tough matchup for this. And I think
people are just worried, I mean partly because that's what
we do as fans, We worry. But they haven't really
faced I mean, really only two teams that had the
ability to do what Evan's talking about, Like Justin Fields
isn't going to be able to do that. Dylan Gabriel

(01:31:30):
can't do that. Cam Wood can't do that what he
just talked about, but Baker Mayfield probably could have, and
we know Josh Allen can. Those are the two games
that I thought the defense played the best considering who
they were, you know, considering the opponent. Buffalo turned it
over three times, they had eleven penalties. Tampa didn't do
that stuff. They stopped Tampa. They held them to twenty three,

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you know, without you know, a lot of you know,
self inflicted wounds by this, you know, I think Buffalo
held itself twenty I think Tampa the Patriots stopped. Now,
you can make an argument Tampa isn't that kind of offense.
But to Evan's point, the next week on the road,
they put ten more points up on Buffalo. Then they
scored against you so and it was on the road.

(01:32:15):
So they're more than capable of having those kinds of games.
I think that's what people worry about. What would this
defense look like if they had to play these teams
more frequently? And you're going to see more of those
in the playoffs.

Speaker 5 (01:32:28):
When you get to second and medium or long against
his defense every single time a team runs the ball
and second and ten against the Patriots, I'm like thank you.
Just bring the punter out because you're not going to
be able to run the football effectively. So second down
and long becomes third and long, and now the Patriots
have a chance to get off the field. So what
happens when second and long becomes a pass and it's

(01:32:50):
Josh Allen dropping back to pass on second down? Do
you even get to third down?

Speaker 2 (01:32:54):
Right?

Speaker 7 (01:32:54):
You know?

Speaker 5 (01:32:54):
And those are the things that worry you about the defense?

Speaker 3 (01:32:57):
Nick in Boston writes in he says, I agree Fred
about the rivalry uniforms.

Speaker 4 (01:33:01):
I love them.

Speaker 2 (01:33:02):
Are we ever gonna wear them again? Once per year?
What's the plan?

Speaker 7 (01:33:05):
Well?

Speaker 3 (01:33:05):
I know they're going to wear them once a year
for the next three years. Whether or not they wear
them more than that, I think the league has to.

Speaker 2 (01:33:12):
Allow for that, so they always be at home when
you wear them. I don't know. Probably so did you
guys the uniforms the Rams War, Yeah, those right? With
those considered, I really liked those, Yeah, Blackout, I really
liked when those blue in the and I really liked
the helmets. Helmets they just didn't seem to be much

(01:33:33):
pomp and circumstances around well during the day ours was
that night? Yeah? Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:33:38):
Also shout out to Tom E.

Speaker 3 (01:33:39):
Curran, who, take two weeks into the season, quadrupled down
in his take that he would draft JJ McCarthy over
Drake May because he was more pro ready and had
a better arm and processing.

Speaker 4 (01:33:50):
I saw people getting on Tom.

Speaker 2 (01:33:52):
That was week two.

Speaker 3 (01:33:53):
So what does he think now, Well, he also would
have drafted you're keeping the receipts.

Speaker 5 (01:33:59):
Yeah, but I tried not to do it. I like Tom,
so I don't want to like make this a whole
thing because I should never know if I don't want
to do that. But he's been a JJ McCarthy guy.

Speaker 4 (01:34:11):
But what does he think now, would he still take McCarthy.

Speaker 5 (01:34:13):
Or well, he would have drafted McCarthy and that's all
that matters.

Speaker 4 (01:34:17):
Okay, you wouldn't have drafted him at all McCarthy.

Speaker 5 (01:34:20):
No, Zach Wilson two point zero, no thing, okay, but
I I that was what he thought at the time
of the draft.

Speaker 2 (01:34:27):
That's all.

Speaker 9 (01:34:28):
If you do this job long enough, you're probably going
to have some bad of course, you know, if you
have any kind of ability to stand question, are you
willing to change your mind?

Speaker 7 (01:34:36):
See?

Speaker 2 (01:34:36):
I agree with Fred. Yeah, if he would still take
JJ McCarthy then then just being stubborn, but I don't
think you would.

Speaker 4 (01:34:44):
Max in Atlanta a long time.

Speaker 3 (01:34:46):
I know we should have an advantage with Burrow, Hendrickson
and Chase all out for Cincinnati, but I.

Speaker 2 (01:34:51):
Do wonder what we do as players, what we do
about Higgins.

Speaker 3 (01:34:55):
Would you be willing to hire an intern to go
piss off T Higgins enough to spit on him before
Sunday game. Obviously Gonzales could eliminate Higgins from the stats sheet,
but I prefer going against a completely toothless Bengal since
a Bengal with one tooth would look weird.

Speaker 5 (01:35:12):
I do think it's interesting.

Speaker 11 (01:35:13):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (01:35:13):
I put this out on Twitter last night. Do you
use Carlon Davis with you know, do you double T
Higgins and then put Gonzo on Yoshiva's or do you
put Gonzo on Higgins and Davis on Yeshiva's. I think
there's an argument to be made to double Higgins with Davis,
who I think is stylistically it's a decent matchup for Davis,

(01:35:35):
I agree, and then you can put Gonzo on Yoshivas,
who's not Jamar Chase, but he's not slouch like Yeshiva's
can as a solid player, he doesn't get a ton
of targets, which is you know, because of those two
headed monsters.

Speaker 2 (01:35:51):
Averages over thirteen yards of catch on the season. As
like you said, as the third banana, it's the whole
you know.

Speaker 5 (01:35:57):
Double the number one, and you put Gonzo on a
island with Yoshiva's. I don't know which way I would.
I would probably lean towards that way, but that's that's
just me.

Speaker 9 (01:36:07):
What can they scheme it up to and try to
get you know, Higgins or Yoshiva's on Marcus Joanes somehow,
And that's right, that's a SEIS mismatch too.

Speaker 5 (01:36:15):
Well, that's the concern, and that's why I feel like
you have to go into this game with matchups like
like what if Davis has Higgins?

Speaker 4 (01:36:22):
What did Pittsburgh do to limit the uh two high.

Speaker 5 (01:36:26):
Safeties they play? Everybody's playing two high safeties because Joe
Flack was a statue. So you put the two high
safeties up top, you put one.

Speaker 3 (01:36:33):
Of everybody's doing it. But they were scoring points up
to that point.

Speaker 5 (01:36:37):
Uh yeah, I think it was a funny pressure until
until really this past week.

Speaker 2 (01:36:42):
There was a lot of wind in Pittsburgh that affected
the game, I think. I think also Flacco had I mean,
Tomlin has a lot of experience going against Flacco. He
hasn't always played well in Pittsburgh, Okay, And it was
kind of a funny game, Like it's twenty to twelve.
The drive in, he throws the pick to Kyle Duggar.
Yeah for a pick six, goes like seventy yards for

(01:37:04):
a touchdown. You know, if you go in there and
it's twenty to eighteen at the worst, you know it's
probably game on. Instead it's twenty seven to twelve, the
game's over. And then I think the last touchdown was
a fumble return for a touchdown.

Speaker 4 (01:37:17):
Do we have an early weather report for Cincinnati.

Speaker 5 (01:37:19):
It's supposed to be mild mile yeah. Yeah, Like if
these like low fifties, high forties, but no wind, yeah,
I don't think so.

Speaker 7 (01:37:27):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:37:27):
I didn't look the wind.

Speaker 2 (01:37:28):
But I wonder also if this is kind of the
you know, Flacco has done this where he comes back,
he's good for a few weeks and then you know
he's forty Yeah, so he kind of runs out of
gas a little bit. Maybe that was the beginning of
the end.

Speaker 5 (01:37:39):
I kind of thought that Tide was turning the two
I safety thing. The splitz are are ridiculous, like because
if you put one safety up top, then you can
only help the Higgins or Chase. You can't help the
both guys. So when you put the two ice safeties
up top and both guys have an umbrella over them
and they can't hit the ball down the field, you
usually don't want to play two high safety against a

(01:38:00):
mobile quarterback because then there's nobody left for the quarterback.
So then the guy's just gonna run all over the place.

Speaker 4 (01:38:06):
But he don't.

Speaker 2 (01:38:06):
He ain't over, he can't run, he can't go anywhere.

Speaker 5 (01:38:08):
So you're you just put the safeties up top, you
double both Higgins and Chase with the safeties you rush for,
and then you have you know, I thought the Jets
towards the end of that game, even though the Bengals
scored a lot of points early in that game, by
the end of that game, the Jets kind of figured
that out and were starting to, you know, kind of
bracket both guys and force in the ball out.

Speaker 2 (01:38:29):
Chicago did the same thing after the Bear scored the
level and touchdown, but they kind of shut it down. Yeah,
so the Jets up a lot of points.

Speaker 5 (01:38:39):
But yeah, the Jets I felt like, kind of put
their fourth quarter, kind of put a blueprint a little
bit out there. And then Pittsburgh played seventy one percent
of the game out of two high safeties and completely
shut down the Bengals. So I think that that's that's
really what it's looking at. But I don't know if
you need to do that necessarily, if it's just take it,
you know, don't know if you need to put that

(01:39:01):
many resources in coverage.

Speaker 2 (01:39:02):
Shawn's and Vancouver Hey, Sean cove Hey.

Speaker 14 (01:39:07):
So there's been a lot of talk about Casey in
the playoffs there. They're five and five. They've lost to Jacksonville,
to Buffalo, the third in the division. They have a
tough schedule.

Speaker 2 (01:39:18):
I don't they have one of the easiest schedules remaining.

Speaker 14 (01:39:22):
Well, they still play like three tough games, Like it's
not as easy as the Patriots. But I mean, I
don't think unless they went out, I don't even know
they're going to make the plays.

Speaker 2 (01:39:31):
Yeah, I mean they might not. I mean, they have
five losses. My guess is they'll they'll end up with
at least ten wins and get in ten.

Speaker 14 (01:39:38):
I don't know, we'll do it and not tamed third
in entergiment and maybe the Chargers will will completely fall apart.

Speaker 2 (01:39:43):
But why that mean three made it last year from
that division? Why can't they do it again?

Speaker 7 (01:39:48):
Well?

Speaker 14 (01:39:49):
Well, because Patriots are are are the team that's probably
going to win the East, That's why. And Buffalo is
still there, so there's just not enough space if they
win ten wins, and what's Jacksonville going to do? I mean,
they're probably going to win ten as well.

Speaker 2 (01:40:02):
Who do you think would have a better chance of
winning ten Jacksonville or Kansas City.

Speaker 14 (01:40:06):
At this point, Jacksonville because they have more wins.

Speaker 2 (01:40:08):
Okay, I mean I would. I would bet on Kansas
City if I was if I had to bet money,
I'm not allowed to do that, but I would have
more faith in the stretch Drive with Patrick Mahomes than
Trevor Lawrence. And then you know, games that you have
to win. I would have more faith in Kansas City
winning games that you have to win.

Speaker 14 (01:40:28):
Yeah, okay, but.

Speaker 2 (01:40:30):
Last year, I mean just last year, all three of
those teams from the AFC West made the playoffs, So
I don't know why that would be so out of
the ordinary to happen again. Plus, I think the Chargers
are trending the other way because their offensive line is
just completely in shambles. And I don't even think Justin
Herberts has a chance to make it through the season.
So when you're making a point to a caller, why
do you always look at Deuce? Because I thought we

(01:40:51):
were just talking about it now I know, But like
I'm listening, I have Sean, I know, I just I'm
just wanting it's fine one of the all time greats
use on the Mount.

Speaker 4 (01:40:59):
Rushmore cons head on.

Speaker 2 (01:41:02):
No, I just we're just talking about it. But I mean,
just like you know, I asked, I asked Sean what
he thought he thought Jacksonville saw. I was looking tonight
to see what maybe would you think, idiot? What do
you guys? I would I would put my money on
on Kansas City over Jacksonville too.

Speaker 9 (01:41:17):
But I think that's gonna be an interesting game this
weekend against Indy two.

Speaker 3 (01:41:20):
Thanks Sean, good good barometer for where since.

Speaker 2 (01:41:22):
But let's just say they lose cities at home, Like
I don't. I don't put eleven wins off the table
for them. Like they've done this before, Like, yeah, no,
I hear it. When they're eliminated, then I will no
longer be concerned.

Speaker 9 (01:41:36):
Theynern everybody, because yeah, you know, they're just that's they're
the team right now that like Brady and Patriots until
they're dead.

Speaker 2 (01:41:43):
Going into the nineteen playoffs, that team stunk like down
the stretch, they were not good Patriots. Yeah, did you
think they were going to be Tennessee here in the
wildcard round?

Speaker 7 (01:41:55):
I did.

Speaker 2 (01:41:57):
I wonder that I did. I don't remember I did.

Speaker 5 (01:42:00):
And I also still believed in Santa Claus back then.

Speaker 2 (01:42:03):
So like I guess i'd like to think that I didn't. Yeah,
but I'm like, it's still Brady Brady, It's still the Patriots.

Speaker 3 (01:42:10):
I think I remember saying there's no way they lose
this game.

Speaker 9 (01:42:12):
It's funny you bring that up, Haul, because I was
actually at some point recently looking back at that game
and I was wondering that exact thing, because it was,
you know, my first year. I still was kind of
used to more being on the outside of it, and
that was a tumultuous season and it certainly, like Dent
did my faith a little bit and what the team
was going to be able to do. But like at
the same time, I don't know if it had been

(01:42:33):
beaten out of me yet of like, well it's Bill
and Tom, like come on, I don't I don't know,
I have to I'd love to go back and look
and see what I really felt about that.

Speaker 5 (01:42:40):
Well after eighteen, how could you? I mean, Like, that's
where I keep going back to with Kansas City is
if you had told me after the Miami Miracle that
that team was going to win the Super Bowl in
twenty eighteen, I would have said you were crazy, Like
we were having like oh bits on the you know,
after that game, on the season and on the Dynasty
like that that it was over. I just wonder if
Kansas City is just at that point now where they're

(01:43:02):
just like, let's just get to the dance, Like, let's
get in the dance and then we have Patrick Mahomes
and we have Andy Reid, we have Travis Kelcey and
Chris Jones and we'll figure it out.

Speaker 2 (01:43:11):
I'm kind of looking at them a little like the
O nine Patriots, Like I just I don't think this
is the year for them. You want to talk big picture,
like where they're going where they're headed with this ceiling
is I don't think this is it for them. I
think they have too many, too many flaws. It stuts
to me with that right tackle who is completely and
utterly incompetent, Is it Juwan Taylor? Yes, I always say

(01:43:32):
the wrong name. He can't line up. He can't line
up because he has no faith in his ability. I mean,
there's the reason why he's always in the backfield because
he's cheating because he can't block straight up that completely.
When I watch them play, they move the ball and
then he either get sacked or forced to throw the
ball away at some point to end a drive. And
it's almost always at some point where he can't contain

(01:43:54):
the guy in front of them. Yeah, and I don't
know why. I have a lot of respect for Andy Reid.
I don't know why they haven't figured that out to
find somebody who can play better than him. But they haven't.
And they have too many they have too many holes.
It's like, how do you discern though, between because there
are plenty of years. I'm sure you felt the Patriots
just didn't have it that year nine was one. How
do you differentiate though, between the Chiefs don't have it

(01:44:17):
this year, or the Ravens just don't have it this year,
they bills don't just or they're going to turn it
on when they need to, you know that. But I'll
give you another year that I didn't think the Patriots
had it, and damn they almost did.

Speaker 4 (01:44:28):
Was six.

Speaker 2 (01:44:30):
They just weren't that good. Yeah, but or not? You know,
you look, you look up and they've beaten a fourteen
and two team on the road in the playoffs, and
then they have a twenty one to three lead in
the AFC Championship game that obviously they couldn't hold on to.
But I think that was a very simple. Well, they
pumped in the flu.

Speaker 4 (01:44:45):
They're pumped in the flu and the noise the flu.

Speaker 2 (01:44:48):
They gave the whole team the flu.

Speaker 4 (01:44:49):
They put it in the gator.

Speaker 2 (01:44:51):
Well, you have Alexander to cover Dallas clock. You know
that that might have had a problem.

Speaker 5 (01:44:56):
But Rodney Harris, But the question is is like Mahomes
is timeline and I like is where you are like
six oh nine timeline for Brady, But the rest of
the team ain't like and you read sixty eight years old.
You know, Travis Kelsey is gonna if he's not going
to retire at the end of this year. He's retiring,
so he's done. Chris Jones, I think, is also starting

(01:45:16):
to be closer to Dune sure as well.

Speaker 2 (01:45:18):
So like, well, listen, they're not going to fall off
the cliff, but it's a gradual but it's going to
be very similar to the Patriots. But all of a sudden,
you know, like because I agree with everything, I just.

Speaker 5 (01:45:28):
Don't because of the age of Reed. So like they're
gonna have to They're gonna they need a new head coach. Yeah,
they might, they might do. They might have to do
the good thing of it. And it's kind of happening
now too. Is that Bill and Brady age wise lined
up perfectly that they both could be here for twenty years.
That's not going to happen with Mahomes and and.

Speaker 2 (01:45:48):
And it's a good point. He's going to last. That's
a good point. They need the Gronk Draft, you know,
That's what I was getting at, Like, look at like
the last couple of years. You know, it's guys like
Brock Bauers and Sam Laporta and like Colston Loveland, Tyler Warren.
They need they need one of those guys in the

(01:46:08):
next draft, like in the first round. Maybe even not
a great tight end draft. Okay, I don't care. Someone
will be really good. Is pretty good, someone will be
really good. They need to Evan's right, you know, they
need to They need to stop relying on Kelsey because
he I mean, and he actually had a pretty good
game the other day, but he didn't get it anymore.
He can't be that guy for them anymore. I mean,

(01:46:30):
it's literally but it can change like that.

Speaker 5 (01:46:32):
Taekwon Thornton, Xavier Worthy is a one trick pony or
she Rice is back.

Speaker 2 (01:46:37):
But right, but Rice was terrible the other day and
he's a better player than that. Yeah, but he was
invisible in that game.

Speaker 5 (01:46:43):
It would be one thing if they were just the
nine Patriots that just needed to turn the roster over
around Brady and Belichick. But they might need a new coach.

Speaker 7 (01:46:51):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:46:52):
Your point about the coach is a good one, and
that and that does differentiate. That's a good point.

Speaker 4 (01:46:56):
Good point.

Speaker 7 (01:46:57):
You know.

Speaker 5 (01:46:57):
Is it Bill Wallace to George and the beat just
keeps going on or is this to build a gerd
my own?

Speaker 2 (01:47:07):
George Seffert was closer to Gerard Mao than.

Speaker 5 (01:47:09):
If it's Matt Nagy.

Speaker 2 (01:47:12):
Going back to the uh Thursday night games and teams
with multiple ones, Dan from Maine says that the bill Seahawks, Rams, Dolphins, Broncos,
and Eagles have two.

Speaker 4 (01:47:21):
The Cowboys have four.

Speaker 2 (01:47:23):
Well, the Cowboys played Opening Day, which doesn't to me
count as that theresayn I despite the fact that it's
played on Thursday. Now I agree with that, but they
also play on Thanksgiving and then they play two other
thanks Yeah, that's a lot. Yeah, that's a lot. You
know three let's I agree with you.

Speaker 3 (01:47:39):
The first one doesn't count, but even three is too many.

Speaker 2 (01:47:43):
Yeah, they have to play on Thanksgiving because they're you know,
they de Troy and Dallas play on well, I mean
that's just the way they do it.

Speaker 4 (01:47:52):
But they don't.

Speaker 2 (01:47:52):
They shouldn't have to play two others.

Speaker 5 (01:47:54):
You play four.

Speaker 2 (01:47:55):
They should play one other, not two others.

Speaker 5 (01:47:58):
Why do they have well one of them? I think
it's Christmas.

Speaker 2 (01:48:01):
Should we get rid of that tradition.

Speaker 4 (01:48:03):
Where the Lions and Cowboys have to play.

Speaker 2 (01:48:06):
On Evan clearly says yes, yes, I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:48:09):
I like I at least the Lions now are good
so like, but as a kid, it wasn't that case,
and they were all you know, I love long hair
Brady against the Lions. I mean, oh yeah, Brady at
some point like can we just the best game?

Speaker 2 (01:48:24):
And selfishly I want to keep them there because that's
less chances of having to play on things.

Speaker 4 (01:48:28):
That's true.

Speaker 2 (01:48:29):
Yeah, yeah, as a fan, if I was going to
look at it from ten thousand feet, I would say, yeah,
these guys are right. You know, let's have three NICs.
Detroit's good now because you three different games every year.
Force fed just got that Friday game?

Speaker 4 (01:48:40):
Who's got the Black Friday Game on Amazon this year?

Speaker 2 (01:48:43):
At the top of mind.

Speaker 4 (01:48:45):
And it's a double header, right.

Speaker 5 (01:48:47):
I think it's just one, just one Bears Eagles, which
will be good.

Speaker 2 (01:48:50):
That's a that's a good matchup.

Speaker 5 (01:48:52):
Shout out to my boy looking pretty good, Ben Johnson
there in Chicago. What's the name of that running back?

Speaker 2 (01:48:58):
They got mug wires something. I he looks good. I
mean he runs hard.

Speaker 4 (01:49:03):
It's like when guy.

Speaker 5 (01:49:05):
Caleb Caleb looks are really good, really good.

Speaker 2 (01:49:09):
So I watch him a little bit and you know,
again we got a chance to see that. Like, I
think he looks better than his numbers would indicate. I
think he looks like a whole different guy from that's all.
Ben Johnson, he's a problem man. You can't he can't
get him down. I mean, he's just so slippery. He
still doesn't have great numbers, though his stats are made
at best.

Speaker 5 (01:49:28):
It is crazy to see the exposition between Ben Johnson
and Rable, Like they just could not be more polar opposite.

Speaker 2 (01:49:35):
It's great if they both end up being really good.
That's great for the league. I don't have to do
it one way.

Speaker 5 (01:49:41):
Was like Bear's Patriots super Bowl. Down the line is
like our super Bowl. It's like the football guy versus
the nerd Drake and Caleb like it just.

Speaker 2 (01:49:51):
You know what I mean, Like everybody's like, oh, you
got to do it this wee you gotta have the
tight pants offensive mind. You know there's a or you know,
no defense still wins championships.

Speaker 7 (01:50:00):
Got to do it that way.

Speaker 2 (01:50:01):
No, Like there's a lot of different ways to win.
I think it'd be great if both of those guys
who I agree with Evan those they're kind of polar opposites.

Speaker 7 (01:50:07):
Bart And.

Speaker 3 (01:50:08):
Poland says, I don't want to brag, but this was
part of my email from beginning of August. I really
don't think ten wins this season is that far fester
and realistic. With some good luck, the right breaks and
a big year two leap from Drake, even eleven or
twelve wouldn't totally shock me, end quote.

Speaker 2 (01:50:25):
And we are looking nicely for at least those twelve wins.

Speaker 3 (01:50:28):
Obviously, if we go fourteen and three and get the
number one seed, that would be really surprising from the
preseason perspective.

Speaker 2 (01:50:34):
But let's act like let's not act like nobody.

Speaker 3 (01:50:38):
Had us having around twelve wins before the season with
May making a big leap.

Speaker 4 (01:50:42):
Well, Bart, you were one of them.

Speaker 5 (01:50:43):
I'm going to give Erson that had twelve wins.

Speaker 2 (01:50:46):
I'm going to get Bart as flowers because I believe
that he wrote that in and I'll bet anything that
I laughed except for the part about Drake May's second
year two leaps. Here was always my caveat.

Speaker 3 (01:50:57):
But I think he would have had to have a
y or two leave to have ten wins. Well, yeah, yeah, yeah,
I forget twelve or fourteen.

Speaker 2 (01:51:05):
I mean, you watch some of these other teams.

Speaker 9 (01:51:07):
You know that the Patriots have played Carolina, the Falcons
that are so up and down week to week and.

Speaker 2 (01:51:11):
They win one and they lose one, and you know,
you just Carolina up and down inconsistency, young Carolina is
I mean Atlanta, Oh yeah, yeah, well but you know
they won some games.

Speaker 9 (01:51:20):
I mean, you know it's I mean it's not every
back and forth, but what is that your Carolina team they.

Speaker 2 (01:51:26):
Keep they keep on that back and but you know
what I mean, like frisky every other week.

Speaker 5 (01:51:30):
That you would play like they're frisky.

Speaker 9 (01:51:32):
All these teams are kind of frisky. Yeah, I don't
think incredibly unfrisky.

Speaker 2 (01:51:37):
Well Carolina. Carolina is the epitome of your frisk.

Speaker 5 (01:51:40):
Week four Carolina, that blowout looking a little bit better some.

Speaker 2 (01:51:45):
Weeks, next week's better. Next week it'll look bad.

Speaker 5 (01:51:49):
On defense this week it looks.

Speaker 9 (01:51:51):
But I just think generally speaking that that is what
we expected the Patriots to be. One of those teams
that they beat a bad team they lose to, you know,
up and down.

Speaker 2 (01:52:00):
And I said it a million times. There's like twelve
toss up games. They're probably going to go six and six.
Instead they're going to go ten and two. Yeah, right right,
and there it is. They're going to go ten and
two with those toss up games. Because I don't see
them losing to Cincinnati. No, Cincinnati wasn't even one of
the toss up games. I don't see them losing to
the Giants. Well, the Dolphins, Jets, those are the to me,

(01:52:21):
the remaining toss up games. I don't see them losing those.

Speaker 3 (01:52:25):
I Uh.

Speaker 5 (01:52:26):
The Atlanta thing fascinates me because I would think that
they're in the head coach and maybe even they traded
their first round pick.

Speaker 2 (01:52:33):
Yeah, you know, you know who hasn't Yeah, the Rams,
you know who might have their quarterback of the future
in this next draft if they find one that they
really like, and there it is.

Speaker 5 (01:52:43):
They they traded their first round pick for James Pierce,
who's been fine, but like not worth.

Speaker 2 (01:52:48):
Trading worth trading up there.

Speaker 5 (01:52:49):
Yeah, and they so they don't have a first round
pick next year. They've completely broken Pennix, Like he's just
completely broken literally amphis Yeah, and you're right, literally, like
so that that whole thing could be turned over again.
That might be an entire.

Speaker 2 (01:53:04):
Clean Another one that bugged me, like, I have nothing
like Michael Panix. He's fine, like whatever, Oh too bad.
This kid just can't catch a break. He can't stay healthy,
like that's not been the problem. Like he's not very
good well, but he like he came out of college
with injuries.

Speaker 3 (01:53:20):
Yeah, but like that that he's had six career season
ending injuries in his career.

Speaker 2 (01:53:25):
How many seasons as he played?

Speaker 5 (01:53:26):
Yeah, he well, he had like there's all that picture
that goes around with him with in a wheelchair with
both knees all wrapped up. He's he's had like significant
knee injuries, like not just like oh, he tore his
acl when he was seventeen, Like he's had knee injuries
in the past that were career threatening already and now
he has another one.

Speaker 2 (01:53:46):
Oh yeah, No, I mean like he had a lot
of injuries in college for sure, But like I don't
think he's played all that well. I don't think it's
because of his injuries that have like they were like
he's played really well and then and then he gets hurt,
you know, like JJ mcarthy, we have no idea, Like
he missed his whole rookie year and then one game
into his second year he's out for six weeks. Now

(01:54:08):
when he has played, he hasn't played well.

Speaker 5 (01:54:10):
Out for six weeks.

Speaker 2 (01:54:12):
He missed six games.

Speaker 3 (01:54:16):
Oh you're saying maybe like a quiet Ben j Okay
for Carson Wentz.

Speaker 5 (01:54:23):
He played like one good quarter of football and he.

Speaker 2 (01:54:27):
Has not played. That's not My point. Wasn't that he's good.
My point was if someone wanted to argue and say, well,
we haven't really seen enough from j. J. McCarthy because
he's always hurt. He's always hurt, like Michael Penicks just
got hurt, Like he missed one game with like a
like a bruise knee or something in his career prior
to this. Right, he didn't miss it, did he? Like,

(01:54:50):
am I misremembering? Did he miss time last year with
an injury?

Speaker 5 (01:54:54):
No, he just didn't start right away and he finished
the season mid at best. JJ McCarthy's like just hitting
ball boys on the sideline.

Speaker 2 (01:55:04):
It's like it's like Lance blew on his knee, like
in the first game that he ever played his alter
ego nine.

Speaker 7 (01:55:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:55:13):
I love it when like he's like like airmail is
a receiver on the sideline and someone on the.

Speaker 2 (01:55:17):
Bench is like, did you see like like any shots
like Jefferson in this game?

Speaker 7 (01:55:22):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:55:23):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:55:24):
Can we pry him loose to New England? JJ? Justin Jets,
give me it's great.

Speaker 3 (01:55:29):
I'm Ryan, and Quincy writes in hand up, I'm walking
back my take that this team is not in win
mode now.

Speaker 4 (01:55:40):
Or win now mode.

Speaker 3 (01:55:42):
Uh, this team's just won and covered a game in
prime time on a short week while playing a C
minus game at best. That's a sign of a team
that can win at all. Also, I'm not sure if
you have heard Drake's new nickname that the haters are using. Uh,
they're starting to call him the schedule. I haven't heard that. Okay,

(01:56:02):
have you heard that? No, I haven't heard that.

Speaker 2 (01:56:04):
I just heard Drake Drake May May.

Speaker 5 (01:56:05):
Yeah, Drake Drake May May is his nickname.

Speaker 2 (01:56:10):
We can do better than that.

Speaker 5 (01:56:11):
No, Well, that's the point is that he doesn't need
a nickname. He's just Drake May because everybody says the
full name first of all, which is I think it
is feeling. I feel like it's true. Like you know,
whenever anybody brings him up, it's always Drake May. It's
not May, it's just Drake May.

Speaker 2 (01:56:26):
I'm gonna have to pay attention to that. I'll see
if I d May May.

Speaker 5 (01:56:30):
Yeah, Because everybody was trying to come up with a
nickname for him, and then the nickname that that settled
on was just well, he's just Drake.

Speaker 2 (01:56:37):
May come up with a new tradition. You can't come
up with a new nickname when you're trying. It just
has to happen, Okay.

Speaker 4 (01:56:44):
One final exactly, no, I know, and.

Speaker 2 (01:56:48):
He called me d trained for the first like month
I worked here and that didn't work out.

Speaker 3 (01:56:51):
One final email, Chris and Virginia, thank you for your service.
A few months ago or a few shows ago, I
should say, someone mentioned that the upcoming game against the
Bills is not possible to be flex because the first
matchup between the two teams was already on primetime.

Speaker 4 (01:57:06):
Are there any other rules?

Speaker 3 (01:57:07):
Now?

Speaker 4 (01:57:07):
I'm not sure about that.

Speaker 2 (01:57:08):
Yeah, we don't know that that.

Speaker 4 (01:57:09):
I'm not sure that's the case.

Speaker 2 (01:57:11):
There's a running theory that the NFL doesn't like to
have the same two teams play in primetime in the
same year. According to Microsoft co pilot, there is no
rule that says that they cannot. Yeah, but I need
the NFL rule that one.

Speaker 4 (01:57:23):
Are there any other rules to prevent a game from
being flex?

Speaker 3 (01:57:26):
I'm specifically looking at the game in Baltimore that we
have tickets for and wondering what chances there is of
that game being flex.

Speaker 2 (01:57:33):
I think there's a very small chance of that game
being played at one o'clock on Sunday. Let me just
put it that way. I don't know go to four,
I don't know where they'll move it to, but I'd
be very surprised if it's stayed at one.

Speaker 5 (01:57:44):
I'm thinking for twenty five, has you know game of
the week Nance and Romo for twenty five.

Speaker 2 (01:57:50):
Does kind of seem like that?

Speaker 3 (01:57:51):
Yeah, all right, that's going to be it for this
edition of Patriots Unfiltered on a Tuesday. We'll see it
tomorrow at noon. Evan, you've got Catch twenty two at ten, correct.
I always take this opportunity to check in a wellness
check on Barth.

Speaker 4 (01:58:05):
How's he doing?

Speaker 5 (01:58:06):
Doing very well? Worked a lot this weekend. Yes, he's
very disappointed with him about.

Speaker 2 (01:58:11):
A lot of people taking time off.

Speaker 5 (01:58:12):
Yeah, I'm just like, you know, you can say no
to all the like at some point. Now he's on
felgriham Maz on Friday, and I told him that don't
say no to if they ask you to be on
the third chair on felgrim Maz, you go do that.
But all the seventeen other podcasts that he had to do.
Besides that, I'm like, it's not.

Speaker 4 (01:58:29):
Work for him though, you don't understand.

Speaker 2 (01:58:31):
No, he loves this. This is his passions, lives for.

Speaker 5 (01:58:34):
He needs a girl this way.

Speaker 4 (01:58:36):
His girlfriend is Pickskin.

Speaker 2 (01:58:38):
Your wife doesn't have any friends, nice, nice single friend.

Speaker 4 (01:58:42):
He's married to the.

Speaker 3 (01:58:44):
All right, so you'll be with Barth at ten. We'll
be back at noon. We're going to turn the page
to the Cincinnati Bengals. See by then, maybe we'll have
some developments on the chase.

Speaker 2 (01:58:55):
I think it's going to be supposed to be heard today.

Speaker 5 (01:58:57):
All the insiders are saying tonight, okay, all.

Speaker 4 (01:59:00):
Right, see you tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (01:59:03):
Hey, this is Alex.

Speaker 5 (01:59:04):
Thanks for tuning into the show.

Speaker 2 (01:59:05):
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Speaker 2 (01:59:11):
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