Patriots Unfiltered 11/25: Full Breakdown of 26-20 Win Over Bengals, Playoff Picture, Injury Concerns

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:15):
Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered.

Speaker 3 (00:19):
Every comes in and he's like, yes, don't tell anybody,
but I just heard from since you did the birl's
going to practice outside.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
You hear Dan Roach like talking.

Speaker 3 (00:26):
About, Hey, you know, I just heard from Mike Petragli
and he said.

Speaker 1 (00:30):
Everybody, you know, maybe our football teams listening, but they
thought this is the game because they're not worried about
the Patriots pass rush. Put that idea where he was
going the bulletin board.

Speaker 4 (00:44):
Thank god, sister, she took care of the grandkids. There
you go, Mom and dad.

Speaker 1 (00:48):
Yeah, you're going to be the worst uncle ever A dad.

Speaker 4 (00:53):
Great uncle. Thank you.

Speaker 5 (00:54):
Daddy's gotta watch film.

Speaker 1 (00:57):
This is called Nickel until even gave me a hard
drive Christmas.

Speaker 5 (01:02):
She hate her too.

Speaker 1 (01:03):
I I haven't heard her.

Speaker 5 (01:04):
What it was on the same thing, what shows on
the very same thing NFL Live. I have no idea,
but you are doing right now what Steven A. Smith
is accusing Drake may have doing being intentional.

Speaker 1 (01:15):
At time, I don't even know, yes he does.

Speaker 6 (01:18):
It's on the Twitter now he's calling me a liar.

Speaker 5 (01:21):
I didn't say that you're a liar, said you're being
intentionally I had.

Speaker 4 (01:25):
You have to go out of your way to not
know that.

Speaker 1 (01:27):
I know Sanders had a really horrible game. I didn't
see it, but he never played with the service before.
It was just awful.

Speaker 7 (01:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:33):
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Speaker 1 (01:42):
All right, welcome the Patriots Unfiltered. It is Tuesday here
at Jillette Stadium, and we are ten and two. When
I say we, I mean the Patriots. But that's we.
So that's that's the good news. The good news is
we got out of where will be Cincinnati with a win,

(02:03):
but not unscathed. So we are officially into the grind
of the NFL season, last five game stretch. We still
haven't had our buy and so we saw some injuries
on Sunday, and that seems to be the big topic
coming out of it. But I don't think it should be. No,

(02:23):
I really don't. I think the fact that this pain
this team is ten and two, they're at least one
if not two years ahead of schedule. They've got this
young quarterback who we need to talk about how we
started the game. We do need to talk about that.
But I think, I think this is a team set
up that at least in the near term, we'll be
able to weather the grind.

Speaker 7 (02:46):
I hope.

Speaker 3 (02:46):
So, I mean, I you know, I look, it felt
to me like this is a team kind of limp
into the finish line of the bye week, and how
is it going to look now when we get to
Monday night. Can they somehow just find some energy somehow,
you know, not get to the giants yet.

Speaker 2 (03:01):
But they got run all over. They've gotten run all
over again.

Speaker 3 (03:03):
We're talking about another historically bad element of a defense
like we did last week. It didn't matter last week,
but maybe it can matter this week. Maybe they can
run the ball a little bit and you know, manage
the game that way. But no, it's it's great what
they've done, but I just feel like now it's like
just grind out one more win, get to eleven, buy
and then get to the by and try to like
regroup and get re energized. And it just to me,

(03:25):
and I don't know how you guys felt, you were there,
but it seemed like they just were and the injuries
were part of it. But it was, you know, one
of those wins where we got the win, but man,
it took.

Speaker 1 (03:34):
It took a lot. While I think they obviously left
points on the board and points on the table, I
mean they didn't put them on the board. Yeah, they
had opportunities to score more points, to move the ball better.
Early Drake just was off for whatever reason. He was
just off, you know, we credited to just you know,
I don't know what did he say was the reason

(03:55):
just not thinking not you know, thinking too much?

Speaker 4 (03:58):
Maybe I didn't really say anything really, just.

Speaker 1 (04:03):
I thought he said on best when I just you know,
get rid of the ball. And I think that to
me insinuated that he was just thinking too much. Like
whatever he saw he didn't trust, you know, like for example,
that throw to Hunter Henry that he over like he
was wide open, like I like I remember sitting there saying, oh,
he's open, and the ball just sailed over his head.

Speaker 2 (04:25):
What was that?

Speaker 3 (04:26):
Do you have any theory on that though, Like he
just the wrong side or was just the bad throw.

Speaker 4 (04:30):
I think that you could probably just chock it up
to a bad throw. But there's a little bit of
everything going on with that play. I think we can
we can take that formation for now and let's junk
it all right. You know, they they only had four
offensive linemen blocking on the play. They had Ben Brown
flexed out wide as a non eligible offensive lineman at

(04:55):
this point in the game, and they were trying to
set up a little screen to Trayvon Henderson. It seemed
like on the outside where he had Ben Brown as
a LEA were talking about the pick six.

Speaker 1 (05:05):
Oh, the pick six. I wasn't talking about that play,
but go ahead, Oh what play were you I was
talking about where? Oh? Maybe I thought it was just
an incomplete Maybe it was the pick stick.

Speaker 5 (05:14):
I think it was the I don't think there were
too many completions to Hunter Henry in his game.

Speaker 1 (05:19):
So it must have been the pick six. I just yeah, yeah, okay,
go ahead.

Speaker 4 (05:22):
Yeah, So that's okay, So the pick six. You know,
I think the play was designed to throw it out
to the screen to Henderson if they had the numbers.
I mean, why else would you put a lineman out
there unless that was the design of the play. And
I think what ended up happening is, you know, hunter,
Henry just kind of flashed open in the middle of
the field, and he just saw it and tried to

(05:42):
layer it in there and and airmailed it. And when
you airmail it in this league, over the middle of
the field going back the other way. Yeah, and so
maybe there was a little bit of you know, Henry
kind of bent it in and he might have thought
he was just going to keep going up the scene.

Speaker 1 (05:57):
But no, it went right over his head. So it
wasn't like behind him or in.

Speaker 4 (06:01):
Front of him. No, it was a little behind him.

Speaker 1 (06:03):
Really. From where I was sitting, it looked like, like
I said, I sat up, I'm like, oh my god,
he's open. And then he saw him too.

Speaker 4 (06:10):
But yeah, when you see it from when you see
it from the end zone angle, it's behind him. So
I thought maybe Henry kind of like bent it around
the linebacker, and so maybe he was kind of thinking
bending a little bit, like almost like a seam bender.
But Drake may wanted him to go straight up the scene.
I'm just saying that that could have if you want
to find a way to make an excuse that it

(06:31):
wasn't just a bad throw, you know. That was probably
the one thing I thought of that maybe it could
have been, but all in all, like he's everyone, so
he's allowed to have a bad throw like it's not
you know, it happens, they move on, and I was
encouraged by how he bounced back for the most part
from it. You know, sometimes you throw a pick six
like that, an ugly interception that can ruin the entire day.

(06:54):
Now the quarterback just goes, especially young quarterback, just goes
into the the crap or the rest of the day.
And and he didn't.

Speaker 1 (07:00):
So I don't think even the rest of the day,
I don't think he was that accurate. But he did
recover enough.

Speaker 6 (07:07):
To made enough plays to win the game.

Speaker 5 (07:10):
Yeah, yeah, which I think is a testament to him
and the team for showing the toughness that they've shown
I think in all twelve games.

Speaker 1 (07:17):
Yeah yeah, really yeah, I mean a game start a
game like this last year and forget about it.

Speaker 2 (07:23):
Yeah you know, yeah, I know. The start was I mean,
something seemed weird from the beginning. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (07:26):
And were they doing like a close up of the
of Drace like grip on the ball or something. Were
they talking about that, Like I couldn't On.

Speaker 4 (07:32):
The third play, of the game when Jared Wilson went
out of the game. I think it was the third
or fourth play Jared Wilson went out and they ran
a little interior twist inside against Ben Brown and they
didn't pick it up and his arm got hit as
he was throwing the ball. As his arm was moving forward,

(07:52):
Drake took a pretty big hit on his throwing arm,
like his more like his bicep than his hand. I
know some people were talking about his hand, but it
was more about like his actual doing a little of this. Yeah,
and I wonder if maybe it hit the funny bone
or something like that, and he was like kind of
like got tingly and lost a little grip in his hand.
So if you want to look for something like that,

(08:14):
I think that was probably the play that maybe led
to him having a Sometimes you just can't like feel
your hand or it gets tingly or something like that.

Speaker 1 (08:23):
Yeah, well that could be part of it.

Speaker 4 (08:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (08:27):
But the other thing that we need to talk about
is this red zone offense. Many how many times did
they have inside the like at least seven opportunities inside
the five to score.

Speaker 4 (08:38):
Well, if you can bin the two red zone drives,
they had nine nine or ten. The first one was
eight plays. But yeah, I mean, look, I guess I
have a little bit of a different tone from this game,
but we can talk about the red zones.

Speaker 5 (08:55):
I have a different tone on the red zone specific
I think the red zone problem was specific to this game.
I don't think this has been a major problem all year,
but evidently everybody else does well.

Speaker 4 (09:03):
They're twentieth in red zone offense.

Speaker 6 (09:05):
Okay, so I'm wrong.

Speaker 4 (09:07):
But at the same time, and I thought, I think
Vrabel said this yesterday on EEI like, you have a
very arbitrary like when you're inside the twenty, like it, Like,
so if we score a touchdown from outside the twenty,
then that doesn't count towards our red zone stats, but
we still score a touchdown. I don't like that argument, right, So, like,
I hear what he's saying with that. But their goal

(09:29):
to go red zone offense in Tampa struggled a little bit. Now,
they did get it in on the fourth down play
before halftime, but it took them four tries to get
it in and then they struggled a little bit this week.
But watching it back this week, I thought it was
more about execution than it was about play calling. I
know a lot of is being made out of the
play calling, but like the first trip down into the

(09:54):
red zone, you know, just starting from the beginning, they
he throws a little swing pass in the flat to
Travon Henderson, and I love Travon Henderson, but I'm sorry
that you you have one on one in space against
the linebacker. Score a touchdown, dude, Like make the guy
miss and get into the end zone.

Speaker 5 (10:10):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (10:10):
Then he drops back on a play action play from
underneath center and he trips on Mike on wend who
coming out from underneath center. And so Hunter Henry's open.

Speaker 5 (10:19):
According to the broadcast, So was the change in the
offensive line that caused that? You know, like the uncertainty
with no no was that played every snap of every game? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (10:28):
Right, and it happens like these things happens all the time.
But you know he's coming out from underneath center, he
stumbles coming out, tripping on his offensive line. Hunter Henry's
open on the corner route for an easy touchdown, and
he can't get it to him fast enough because he's
stumbling and bumbling. So you have that play. Then you

(10:49):
know the fourth down play that they stop the inside run.
It's an RPO. I thought he probably should have kept
it and thrown the ball out in the flat to
Hunter Henry who was open for a touchdown, and staid
he gave the ball to Ramandre Stevenson probably it's bang
bang play it so those are hard to read, but
it probably was better to keep it than to hand
it to Remandre on that particular play. So I thought

(11:11):
that there and then the pick play, you know, which
it's gonna get called. But the defender was burned and
had no chance, so it's kind of annoying. Let's see
held his shirt before the Oh, there was a collision,
and that's gonna get called. But at the same time,
I thought it was a really nice cell job by
the corner who went like ah and then like you

(11:32):
know that sort of thing. And you know, so those
are four plays that I just mentioned in that a
play sequence where they had touchdowns on all four plays
right there, and they just weren't able to execute it.
So you can you can take a you know, the
coaching is part of that, right, like you have to
practice and you have to be able to execute down there.

(11:53):
But I didn't think that this was like, oh, the
Bengals really just like had the clamps on their red
zone offense. I thought this was just kind of a.

Speaker 2 (12:00):
Did the Tonka injury happen prior to those red zone
posessions too? It's just something that's off out of the play.

Speaker 4 (12:05):
But he was also healthy for Tampa and they couldn't
score on the goal line against Tampa. Like, to me,
this all kind of goes back like, if you need
to get one yard, you have to be able to
run the ball in. You have to be able to
run the ball in from the one, whether that's a
sneak or it's an actual run, Like there's no excuse
to not be able to run to pick up a yard.
And that's it.

Speaker 5 (12:25):
And there was one thing that Drake said after the
game that sort of resonated with me and made me
think of some of these different plays, specifically the ones
down there, and Evan just sort of talked about he
thought one of them might have been an RPO, which
would makes sense. And Drake said, you know, I got
to be better at the line of scrimmage. And I
think there were times where the Bengals sort of dramatically
shifted at least once it led to a timeout because

(12:48):
they weren't ready. Another time it led to them running
right into the shift. You know, looked like he was
not comfortable with that. So I wonder if maybe, like
the RPO, maybe he thought he was getting something else
ultimately didn't. And as Evan says, you know, it's kind
of easy when we watched the phone. Jeez, if you
had just pulled it there, Yeah, he probably has Hunter
Henry wide open.

Speaker 7 (13:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (13:08):
Did you wonder if that's what Drake is talking about,
maybe some of the stuff that he saw pre snap
didn't end up happening.

Speaker 7 (13:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (13:14):
Did you find that interest that when they as soon
as they put Stevenson up to kind of protect against
the mug, that they then have the guy sprint to
the other side and then just had a free run.
I mean that's yeah, because I think the first time
they did it, Drake noticed it and he seemed to
like acknowledge it.

Speaker 2 (13:27):
But still nobody nobody.

Speaker 6 (13:28):
Think it wasn't Will Campbell's fault. He blocked the guy.

Speaker 5 (13:31):
Yeah, now, if Will Campbell goes to the outside and
gets the blitzer, the other guy comes.

Speaker 4 (13:35):
Right now, yeah, right now. Numbers wise like they would
have overloaded either side. So I don't know exactly what
the coaching point would be to adjust the protection. I
saw what you guys saw at the safety start on
one side. They put his Stevenson up and he ran
to the other side. But they still would have like
they still would have overloaded the right side if he

(13:57):
had came off the right side. But I think they
saw the opportunity need to come to the blind side,
so they moved them over. But you know, I give
some credit to the Bengals like this, wee too. They
were well coached in this game. They had a good plan.
They they really did some things in this game that
they hadn't done before, some unscouted looks and things like that.

Speaker 5 (14:17):
I agree with you on that. I thought the Bengals
played hard in this game. And I would say it
was funny because Mike and I were looking at it
and we were like, the Bengals either have a really
good play on defense or they just decided to not
cover Hunter Henry. There was no in between. I think
they did a pretty good job on the receivers. I
don't think I didn't see a lot of wide open guys.
I mean, even the best throw of the day for

(14:37):
Drake may down the scene to to to Mario Douglas
was not an easy throw like that was kind of
a tight window.

Speaker 4 (14:46):
You know, Fred that one of the pole runner. So
the linebackers the pole runner. Yeah, I wish you know, listen,
whole shot poll runner. Like I don't name these things,
it's just what they are.

Speaker 5 (14:58):
So who does the whole shot? I remember people talking
about when I was in high school. I never heard
about what do you call it? It's called the pole
runner like a pole like a pole hole.

Speaker 4 (15:12):
Yeah. So you know it's Cover two right too high
safety and then uh you know Tampa two, which is
you know, the dungee version.

Speaker 1 (15:21):
Uh.

Speaker 9 (15:21):
They they they have now they designed a way uh
to combat three vertical routes from Cover two because the
issue that they were having was is that they were
just running a guy right through the shoot between the
two safeties and there's not a third guy high to
take that.

Speaker 4 (15:41):
So now that they have is this is the pole runner.
The linebacker. He's now basically part of the deep part
of the zone. So if the inside receiver in the
slot runs a vertical, he's going to carry the vertical
up the middle of the field. Pole runner. You know,
you also you'll hear a lot three is three, So
if three verticals happen, then you basically kind of turn

(16:04):
it into cover three essentially.

Speaker 1 (16:06):
Great Catch twenty two.

Speaker 2 (16:08):
Sorry, were doing a crossover episode.

Speaker 4 (16:10):
Yeah, so yeah, that's that's the parlance.

Speaker 7 (16:12):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (16:13):
I like three up is three is one of my favorites.

Speaker 1 (16:16):
So they managed, they figured out how to win. They
figured out how to get out of Cincinnati with a win.
That's the most important part. They're ten and two. They're
sitting pretty there, I think the number two seed as
we stand. Oh they're one right now.

Speaker 6 (16:29):
Yeah, they played more games than everybody else.

Speaker 1 (16:31):
Okay, technically okay, but even looking ahead, Denver seems you know,
right now, I would say Denver only has two losses.

Speaker 5 (16:40):
Right, Yeah, they're tied with Denver.

Speaker 1 (16:42):
So but Denver has a much tougher schedule going ahead,
wouldn't you say they do?

Speaker 4 (16:48):
Down the stretch. I was looking at this last night.
They have a I want to say they have the
Raiders and one other team coming out of their buy
that that should be easy wins. But then they they
do play the Chiefs, that Chargers, they played, you know,
some tougher teams down the stretch.

Speaker 1 (17:04):
So if we can take care of business and win
at least two, you know, uh, three of these last
five games. I think we might get a get a
home field advantage here, but.

Speaker 2 (17:17):
A home field game.

Speaker 4 (17:18):
Or the Commanders the five cupcake team, So they have
three cupcakes and two tough games. So they have the Commanders,
they have the Commanders, the Raiders, but then they play
the Packers, the Jags, the Chiefs, and the Chargers.

Speaker 6 (17:32):
Three tough games, four tough.

Speaker 4 (17:33):
Games and two cupcakes. Who Jacks, Packers, Jags, Chiefs, Chargers,
three tough games? Who do you mean three tough games?

Speaker 1 (17:41):
Yeah, So I don't know how good the charge are
going to be at that point. Who knows what Jacksonville
is going to be like on our side? Who knows
what Baltimore is going to be like? They don't look
like world beaters, you know, when Jackson's like, he's hurt again.

Speaker 5 (17:55):
You know, it's it's conventional wisdom now that Baltimore stinks.
So I'm not worried about that game any more. That's
what I heard this. I heard that too. I heard
that in the radio. I mean, I know, I'm you
guys are gonna make fun of me. I'm always worried
about I'm worried about afraid of that game.

Speaker 1 (18:09):
Oh yeah, I'm worried about the Giants game this week.
I'm not worried about You're not worried about it. No,
you don't think there's any way they can lose this game?

Speaker 5 (18:16):
Well, there's always a way you can lose a game. Yeah,
you could turn the ball over five times.

Speaker 1 (18:20):
Did you think there was a way they lose the
Cincinnati Uh?

Speaker 5 (18:23):
Yeah, really Yeah, Like.

Speaker 1 (18:25):
You were more worried about Cincinnati than the Giants.

Speaker 5 (18:27):
Significantly more interesting not me. I mean, I respect Cincinnati's talent.
I don't think the Giants none of it was on
the field, but little tap ball Ultimately when the game ended,
that was true, and that was like largely the difference.
But I think that if you have take T Higgins
out there and Joe Flacco gets hot. Now, Joe Flacco

(18:47):
didn't get hot, he didn't have one of his games,
but I respect his ability to do that. I don't
really respect the Giants' ability with a two to ten
record to really do anything.

Speaker 1 (18:58):
But the Giants have been scoring points, right, they lose
it last week and losing.

Speaker 6 (19:04):
Leads, They've blown a lot of leads.

Speaker 5 (19:05):
That is correct five times to score leads in the
fourth quarter they got It's an amazing stat.

Speaker 1 (19:10):
Yeah, they got rid of amazing defensive coordinator. So do
they get that interim defensive coordinators? Is what I'm wondering.

Speaker 2 (19:18):
I don't know if that's a thing.

Speaker 5 (19:19):
Yeah, I mean, you can lose any game in the league.
There's I mean, I'm not telling you there's not a
huge difference.

Speaker 1 (19:24):
And what about the spot.

Speaker 5 (19:25):
You know, you've played great spot for the people played.

Speaker 1 (19:28):
Thirteen games in a row, so they got to buy ahead.
It's like, oh, you know in.

Speaker 5 (19:33):
Your home and they're not. I know, so you have
the advantage. It's a good spot for you.

Speaker 1 (19:38):
I don't know. I don't know. I'd like to get
other opinions on that.

Speaker 2 (19:41):
The piece for me is Winston gonna players are gonna
be Dart.

Speaker 5 (19:44):
That's what would you rather face? The Patriots?

Speaker 1 (19:46):
Winston me too, a hundred times over.

Speaker 5 (19:50):
Really, and I know him, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (19:52):
I was leaning Dart, to be honest.

Speaker 5 (19:53):
Before you see dark and run around make plays and
you never know, he might have one of those wild
games where he makes some plays with his feet and
all of a sudden he's in it. Jameis Winston's going
to give you three or four opportunities every game. You
know that that's his history. I don't know what Dart's
going to do because I don't I don't know why.

Speaker 4 (20:09):
I mean, they also scored fourteen points on two trick
plays against the Lions. I'm with you, guys. I actually
I watched Dart was it the Bears game was his
last game, I think before he got hurt. I was
pretty impressed.

Speaker 6 (20:22):
He's played pretty well.

Speaker 4 (20:23):
Now, A lot of it is quarterback run stuff, and
that's he's not going to last. That's why he's constantly
in concussion protocol, so that that's maybe that gets taken
off the table when he comes back from this concussion,
and that limits them. I mean they're running like, you know,
like QB counter and like they're like running him by design,
and I don't think he's going to be able to

(20:44):
hold up. But his like play extension, his ability, his
downfield you know, passing pretty good, pretty good.

Speaker 1 (20:51):
So yeah, I agree, I think I'd rather have Jameis Winston.
But getting back to my opening monologue, I think that
this is a tough stretch here for the team in
terms of injuries and just you know, getting to the
end of the season. But I do think that this
team mentally is equipped to handle that. This is this
is a united team, and you know, one of your guys, dudes,

(21:15):
Ben Voleen, mentioned that in the in the postgame locker room,
it seemed that Rabel was really toned down, like I
think he forgets. They just got off a FaceTime call
with a teammate who was going through something, and they
had a lot of injuries. They know, they didn't play
their best, and so I think Rabel had the right tone,

(21:35):
you know. And I think the players want more, they
expect more, and but I think they're all in this together.
I think they're bought into Rabel. They're calling you know,
they call them coach Rabes. Carlton Davis, I think he
had a quote just recently he said he's never been
on a team that seemed more together than this team.

(21:56):
I like that aspect of this of the and I
really look at that as as a plus going forward.

Speaker 4 (22:04):
So we have the power of friendship.

Speaker 5 (22:06):
No, I'm with Fred. Yeah, I think that's the number
one thing they have going for them. I think they're
very connected. The team is very connected. And I think
sometimes that can make up for you know, some personnel
issues here or there. We'll see.

Speaker 6 (22:20):
I'm with Fred.

Speaker 5 (22:21):
I think Josh McDaniels and Doug Maron will do a
good job scheming their way around this. This is not ideal.
I'm not telling you that it's not a big deal
to lose your left tackle on your left guard and
you're probably going to be without them for at least
I'm going to say a month. That's not ideal. I'm
not pretending that that's not an issue. I just have
confidence that they'll figure out a way around it.

Speaker 1 (22:41):
Yeah, and to your point, Paul, the coaching this year,
it's better set up to you know, to handle that
than last year.

Speaker 2 (22:49):
That's what interests me.

Speaker 3 (22:49):
I mean with you know, Brian Burns coming in, and
you know also Abdul Carter who half sacked but active
and disruptive. You know, I don't think Thibodau is gonna play,
but they've got some players off the edge everything.

Speaker 2 (23:01):
They have talked.

Speaker 5 (23:02):
About him a little of this morning, and you probably
talk more about him than than us. He's he's a
really good player.

Speaker 4 (23:10):
Yeah, Dexter Lawrence is one of my favorite.

Speaker 6 (23:12):
Dexter Lawrence to be on the sideline.

Speaker 5 (23:14):
That's what he is when when when games are being played,
which is why Shane Bowen no longer has a job.

Speaker 4 (23:18):
Yeah, I got that from our friend don Uh.

Speaker 6 (23:22):
You don't want to talk to don.

Speaker 2 (23:23):
I wonder at that.

Speaker 3 (23:24):
I mean, I know Dexter Lawrence is a crazy player,
but seeing not Godshaw. But you know, like the old defense,
they wanted a big guy inside Shane Bowen there with
interior penetrator kind of types. Is that you know, is
he not really their type?

Speaker 7 (23:36):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (23:37):
I'm just speculating that's worked well.

Speaker 4 (23:40):
I think he's he's their type. He's even though he's
a big dude, he does he plays more up the uphill.
He's more of a disruptor, more of an uphill vertical threat.
I don't think that this is, you know, plugging gap.

Speaker 1 (23:54):
Whatever whatever the teams are doing in the fourth quarter
to the Giants the Patriots should do in the first
quarter and keep doing it. The ball they are.

Speaker 4 (24:02):
Just getting absolutely shredded on the ground. Now, I'll play
Devil's advocate because some you know, you guys are trying
to but the injuries the Patriots have is a problem,
and I understand this is a great chemistry, great locker room.
But at the same time, you know, watching their defensive

(24:23):
front without Millon Williams against the Bengals was was was
a hard watch. Like they they just did not make
very many plays in the other side of the backfield. Uh,
they didn't make very many plays up front. They got
run on by Cincinnati who hasn't really run the ball
at all all year. Chase Brown had over one hundred
rushing yards. It was a problem, and I think offensively,

(24:48):
I agree that they can probably work around it a
little bit. But at the same time, you know, no
disrespect meant to them, but Vederian Lower and Ben Brown
were two guys that they tried to upgrade from this
offseason in the draft with Campbell and Wilson. The idea
was not to rely on those players like you did
when you won four games the year before. Sure, So

(25:10):
I think a huge part of you know, what has
happened here, along with with Drake May and Rabel and
all the stuff you guys mentioned, is the improvement that
the Trenches have shown this season to last season. They
are a significantly better team on the line of scrimmage
this year than they were last year significantly better, you know,
just across the board, whether it's pass blocking, run blocking,

(25:31):
pass rush, run stuffing, all of it. And you know,
I know, maybe I'm a little bit more on that
side of the street than other people, but that's football.
Like when you have good football, teams don't usually have
bad play in the trenches. It just it said, not
that it never happens. I know, Patrick Mahomes went to
the Super Bowl without his left tackle, I know, but

(25:54):
it's asking a lot. It's asking a lot for Drake
may To in his second season to now still play
at this level without his starting left tackle, like left guard.
I think that they can get away with Ben Brown's
not you know, he's a serviceable backup, and I think
that they could work around it. I do think the
drop off from Will Campbell to their backups I left

(26:16):
tackle is going to be significant, ye And it's more
just like a knock to the bigger picture, honestly, of
where this team could possibly go in the postseason. You know,
if they don't have these guys back healthy and they're
not you know, tied together once the postseason comes around,
it does limit their still quite a bit.

Speaker 3 (26:37):
Yeah, I hear all that. I mean, I think for
me and focuses, just get through this game. You know,
get through this game, have a week off, see what
your health looks like when you get back and you
have to go play Buffalo.

Speaker 4 (26:47):
But well, they're not gonna have Bilton Williams like that.
He's gonna be on ir for Buffalo and Baltimore. And
you know, in this game against Cincinnati, like the Bengals
average three yards rushing before contact, like before anybody even
hit him, They're averaging three yards. So if you're doing
that against Buffalo and Baltimore and James Cook and Derrick

(27:09):
Henry like that, that's gonna be really tough.

Speaker 2 (27:12):
No good, really tough.

Speaker 1 (27:14):
Can I get some water?

Speaker 4 (27:15):
Like I kind of look at the offensive line and
think that they can probably maybe figure it out screens,
but defensive line, I have concerns about that, Like, you know,
guys like Farms and Gregory and Dirt and those guys
playing as much as they're going to have to play.
Is a little bit.

Speaker 1 (27:31):
Concerning Tonga too. I mean, that's you know, what's what's
up with him?

Speaker 5 (27:35):
Yeah, Mike and I talked a little bit in the
pregame show about that, because you get specifically Dirdin and Gregory.
You know those are guys.

Speaker 7 (27:42):
You know.

Speaker 5 (27:42):
Durdan especially sort of carved out a little bit of
a role. Right He's played I don't know ten snaps
the game, Whatt's call it. I don't know what the
actual numbers. He's been reasonably disruptive, disruptive, but now you're
asking him to maybe take on a larger role. Can
he continue to be disruptive exactly? And you know I'm
not telling you I agree with you. I think bringing

(28:03):
up Tonga is significant because it's not just I think
Tonga's job is to be a run stuffer, you know,
a space eating run stuffer. I don't really think of
Milton Williams and Christian Barmore. As talented as they are,
they're fine against the run, and Milton Williams has been
excellent all season long and whatever they've asked him to do,
but I don't think they're necessarily run stuffing players. Tonga

(28:24):
is so he came out of the game.

Speaker 10 (28:27):
You know.

Speaker 5 (28:27):
I think Chase Brown's pretty good too, even though they
haven't really run the ball all that much. You saw
in this game they ran it probably a little bit better.
But he's averaged a healthy amount. And that's three games
in a row the opponent's averaged over five yards.

Speaker 1 (28:40):
And you said, Evan before the game that they were
throwing the ball seventy percent of the time.

Speaker 4 (28:45):
They didn't this game, Yeah, because they were. They're effectively
running it. And you know, I just hurt to give
it to their credit though, to the Bengals, Like they
saw that the Patriots were down Mill Williams already, then
Tonga goes out of the game, and what were they
doing or just running it right up the gut at
the backups on the interior defensive line. So I give
those guys credit. You know, I think that they This

(29:07):
was a pretty well coached game by the Bengals. I
thought that defensively they're pretty buttoned up relatively speaking to
what they have been in the past. And I thought
offensively they hit the buttons there. The Patriots were weaker.
But I just going into the season, the big question
that we all had was, yes, the talent on the
roster is better. Is the depth better and good enough

(29:29):
to withstand injuries? And we haven't really luckily needed to
figure that out, and now we're going to figure that out.
But do they have the depth. Do they have those
players behind their frontline, players that can keep this thing wrong?

Speaker 2 (29:41):
Can the coaches get those guys to play up the snuff?
You know?

Speaker 3 (29:44):
And I think that's been one of the indictments the
last few years of play along the offensive line is
that they don't really have the coaching. Like, if I'm
looking at something I'm interested to watch, it's how does
now this coaching staff deal with really the first kind
of scramble drill that they're going to have to do.
I mean, losing Milton Williams is one thing, or a
great player inside, but it's one player.

Speaker 2 (30:01):
You've got depth.

Speaker 3 (30:02):
But now when you've got two offensive linemen that you're
gonna have to put in, you're gonna have to maybe
give some of those guys help.

Speaker 1 (30:07):
You know.

Speaker 3 (30:07):
These are the things where I think you you really
get a sense of I mean, Paul said a great thing.
I think Mike Vrabel's done an amazing job bringing this
team together and really being that, you know, full crim
in the middle of all these guys. But now you've
got to really coach your butt off and get these
guys to to you know. I mean, this is something
that that Bill got plenty of credit with over the
years when guys had to step up the Randall gaze
of the year, you know, like those you know instances

(30:28):
where it's just it happens in the NFL.

Speaker 2 (30:30):
Buffalo's gonna have a bunch of injuries in a couple
of weeks too.

Speaker 3 (30:32):
I mean, we saw half their team went down the
other night, So you know, you get down to this
point and I don't know, maybe I'm just out of
practice with having a good team down the stretch, but like,
did you guys feel at times with those Patriots teams
that you knew were going to the playoffs, like they're
not playing their best ball right now. They seem banged up,
They seem like they're kind of like you're seven team.
I remember them just kind of tailing off like they

(30:54):
weren't the same team anymore.

Speaker 1 (30:55):
You know, that's all they do is.

Speaker 4 (30:56):
That I remember that had that happened too lost And
I'm not like trying to be doing gloom, but like,
the only team that I remember that flip the switch
was eighteen eighteen. That's the only one of the six
Super Bowl teams that wasn't peaking at the end of
the year, And somehow they found.

Speaker 3 (31:10):
It and is this just a part that many teams
go through where you know late by et cetera. But
you know, you just you have a little bit of
a doldrum in the middle of the season. That's something common.
Are they late.

Speaker 5 (31:21):
In the season or do they not play that well
in Cincinnati. That's the thing I think we're going to
have to learn, because I don't think this game was
indicative of the way they've played, say the last six
I don't I think they played much. I don't want
to say worse because that makes it sound like they
played a crappy game, because I think everything you haven't
said about Cincinnati deserves to be said. I think Cincinnati

(31:44):
showed up, played with some desperation, and I do think
they were prepared on both sides. I think the difference
in the game, quite frankly, was Mike Rabel's game management
compared to Zach Taylor's. Zach Taylor consistently passed up opportunities
to score points by punting, and Mike Rabel didn't get
stubborn after the first time didn't work out down there.

(32:05):
He took the points, take the points, and ended up
Dan Campbell would have lost that game because Dan Campbell
would have just I mean maybe they would just would
have been so much better that Jamiir Gibbs would have scored,
but he would have just kept going for it.

Speaker 1 (32:18):
Yeah, going up by ten was important.

Speaker 6 (32:20):
I think.

Speaker 5 (32:21):
The the one that he did, the one to go
up by seven, I think was important. When it was
seventeen thirteen and after the first debacle down there, he
got down there again. And what I don't even think
was it Henderson that got the third down carry that
time that got stopped. I forget he got the second
down Carrirell Jen I forget.

Speaker 4 (32:42):
But second Drake sneaked it on third down.

Speaker 5 (32:45):
Rabel had three fingers in his hands before the whistle
even blew on the play. He was disgusted, but he said, no,
I'm going to make this a seven point game, and
I'm going to make sure that they're chasing me. I'm
not gonna you know, throw good money after bad or
whatever the phrase, yes, and continue to bang my head
against the wall. He adjusted to the game. Zach Taylor didn't.

(33:06):
And again I give Zach Taylor credit for having his
team ready to go. You know, a three and sevent
team played, you know, probably a little bit better defensively
than they have most of the year. But I'm sorry,
you can't punt on fourth and one every time, and
fourth and three, you know, in the fourth quarter and
just say, well, we're just going to keep getting the
ball back. At some point you got to go and

(33:26):
try to make a play, and if you don't, you
still got to get the stop. There's nothing, there's no difference.

Speaker 1 (33:31):
Is this the first game in a while that they've
won it by just the score?

Speaker 5 (33:40):
What does that mean?

Speaker 1 (33:40):
Like, you know, less than eight points?

Speaker 5 (33:43):
Oh, most of the games have been one score game. Really,
I thought they This is what I'm saying. I think
people have this impression. And I don't mean this negatively.
I mean this is a huge positive for the Patriots
because everything fred said about the togetherness. I totally co
signing with Freddy on this. I think they win these
games and people are like, yeah, they won, they won,

(34:05):
but like they're not playing that well. I'm like, I
don't know what you look, I don't know what you
think they're capable of. That's what I would argue. But
the outliars are Carolina in Cleveland. The normal game is Atlanta,
New Orleans, Tampa. This game against Cincinnati, you know, even
the Jets. I know the Jets ended up a thirteen

(34:26):
point game. We watched that game.

Speaker 1 (34:27):
It wasn't a blowout, yep, but they won by thirteen points.

Speaker 5 (34:31):
No, I know, but that was one of the few
that was one of the four games they weren't decided
by one score. All the rest were one score games.

Speaker 1 (34:36):
Four games we weren't discussed.

Speaker 2 (34:38):
The chat got that.

Speaker 4 (34:41):
No, it's it's pilot.

Speaker 5 (34:44):
Like the outliers are Carolina, Tennessee in Cleveland. You know,
the norm is a one score game. Yeah, and there's
seven and one in those one score games.

Speaker 4 (34:56):
I'm less concerned about how they play Sunday in that
game two and more concerned about moving forward without Milton
Williams and Campbell. Like if I had to rank the
players on this team outside of Drake May, who's obvious, Like,
you know, it's like the old Jenga piece thing, Like
if I had to take play, like who is the

(35:17):
biggest blocks that are keeping the tower afloat? Like Campbell
and Million Williams have two of the biggest blocks, Like
I think those two guys because I think for Campbell specifically,
it's what's behind him at left tackle too, that you
have to take into consideration. But with Milton Williams, I
think he's been your best player on defense and it
was noticeable, you know, their front was noticeably worse without him.

Speaker 1 (35:39):
I'm going to have to figure that out that that
was just for play.

Speaker 5 (35:44):
So there, I'm not whistling past the graveyard pretending there's
no issues. They have some issues. I just feel like
they're going to be able to able to get past them.

Speaker 4 (35:54):
Right, But it's not about how this game unfolded in Cincinnati.
It's about right, you have Buffalo, you have Baltimore, you
have playoff games coming up, and that's a whole different
ballgame once you get into those types of level of competition.
Then playing a banged up Bengals team, and if they
don't have Campbell and they don't have Milton Williams, like
those two guys and probably Digs and Gonzalez would be

(36:16):
like the four most important players on the team outside
of May and they're playing without two of them. So
like it just it's a big loss not having those
guys for the bigger picture, Like, I still think they're
gonna beat the Giants and the Jets, and they're probably
gonna still end up with twelve or thirteen wins, and
that's nothing to snim bat.

Speaker 3 (36:34):
Maybe the division title too, Yeah, maybe maybe Milton Williams
and Will Campbell.

Speaker 5 (36:39):
Are back three might get you that one seed. Fred
might be right because I didn't know about that green
Bay game for Denver. I knew like they had some
division games coming, but that green Bay game as the
odd game. Yeah, that that could mean that that Denver
loses twice. So if you lose twice, it's.

Speaker 1 (36:55):
Probably well, I think the final five are in Denver.

Speaker 5 (37:00):
Yeah, so it means I don't know what the tiebreaker
situation will look like. It depends on what games the
teams lose. But it is amazing that all the games
fifteen out of out of seventeen games at home for Denver,
I mean, and even.

Speaker 1 (37:13):
When they're not home, they're at home. I don't know
how they do it.

Speaker 2 (37:17):
They raised the stadium a mile in the air.

Speaker 5 (37:18):
Yeah, they're able to play at mile high altitude and
even on the road somehow.

Speaker 1 (37:23):
Anyway, all right, so we have calls, We have emails.
Eight five to five. PATS five hundred is the hotline
podcast at Patriots dot Com is the email address the
most people on the blog this year, this season for
this game. But I had to regulate. At one point

(37:44):
people were literally I mean it's words, so you don't
really know how they're feeling, but just from the tone
of the words, people were getting angry angry at the Patriots,
And at some point I just had to regulate and
I had to people, why are you angry? Like, okay,
be frustrated, whatever, but like, we're one or two years

(38:06):
ahead of schedule, we got a young quarterback, they're not
playing that great, they have these injuries, but why the anger?
And then the other thing is I'm embarrassed. Why are
you are they favor are you back in third grade
and they pull down your pants on the day you
forgot to wear underwear? Like why are you embarrassed?

Speaker 5 (38:23):
Seemed oddly specific, you know, like, no, it didn't happen.

Speaker 4 (38:29):
Those things are exaggerations. But I like, the goalposts have
moved like they're ship. But it's not embarrassing to you,
not embarrassing to you, It's not embarrassing to anybody. The
amount of the game on Sunday was not embarrassing in
any way shape or to the team, to the coaches,
Nobody but the anger is I think they know it's good.

Speaker 5 (38:52):
I think that's a good sign because of what Evan's saying.
The goalposts have moved.

Speaker 4 (38:56):
They know what it looks like when it's championship caliber.
And this team, I don't know if they're championship caliber yet,
but they've put themselves in a position to be playing.

Speaker 1 (39:05):
So what team, at least in the AFC? Why play
teams because we're gonna play one of them, but we're.

Speaker 5 (39:10):
Only caring about our team. I understand why the blog
people are upset. They want to play better.

Speaker 1 (39:15):
I understand, but no one's playing that great. It's just
kind of the way the AFC is this year. And
of those teams were the best, we're the best.

Speaker 5 (39:24):
Do you think you're playing the best of all the teams? Yeah, okay,
I think that some of the fans would disagree with you.

Speaker 7 (39:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (39:30):
I mean, game to game, other teams might have had
better games. But I think the body of work, we've
been the best team this year.

Speaker 4 (39:37):
But whether it's the AFC or if we're gonna care
to dream and it's whoever they play in the super Bowl,
you were going to play a great team at some point. Really, Yes,
you're gonna play a great team at some point. Okay,
you're gonna play a great team, and you're gonna play
a great quarterback. And you're like, these things are gonna happen.
You're not gonna go. It's not gonna be the March
of the Tomato Cans all the way to the seventh

(39:57):
Lombardi right, Like, they're gonna at some point they're gonna
have to play, you know, a formidable opponent that is,
you know, gonna be up for the challenge and bands
to their you know credit around here, they know what
it looks like when the team is.

Speaker 1 (40:13):
I just don't understand the anger, Like it's like, oh man,
we need to play better. I get that, but like angry,
like solve the teams last year?

Speaker 3 (40:23):
I mean, you had this ran last year when they
were on a four win seasoned four winds all right,
like sometimes there was some bad football being played. I mean,
I get generally, you shouldn't be embarrassing.

Speaker 1 (40:33):
Embarrassing room, Yeah, like why are you embarrassed?

Speaker 2 (40:37):
I can't even wear my Patriots stuff. Make fun of me.

Speaker 1 (40:41):
A great game last week.

Speaker 5 (40:43):
I'm sure you know, traveling around the Greater Boston area
with Patriots gear on.

Speaker 6 (40:47):
You're getting mocked and rid.

Speaker 3 (40:49):
I'll tell you, if you're walking around with rivalry here,
you might get like proposition to sell it on the spots.

Speaker 4 (40:56):
They were going to offer me money for my jack.

Speaker 2 (40:58):
It almost market check.

Speaker 6 (41:01):
Can you direct?

Speaker 4 (41:02):
Where did you get that? I was like, and they're like,
I've been you know, I've been trying to get when
they're sold out everywhere. My son he really wants one.
And I just found myself like kind of you know, walking.

Speaker 2 (41:16):
It's gonna set on fire. Yeah, my wife got the
same thing.

Speaker 1 (41:19):
Someone going, where can I get this rivalry stuff I
needed for Christmas present?

Speaker 2 (41:24):
Good luck?

Speaker 1 (41:24):
Yep, they certainly created demand for that one. All right,
so let's get to the phone. Let's see what everyone says.
I hope you're not angry, and I hope you're not embarrassed.

Speaker 5 (41:34):
Todd Todd actually it was one of the few that
had this game nailed. He thought this was going to
be that everyone they were going to lose. He thought
they were going to lose.

Speaker 1 (41:42):
Todd's at North Carolina. What's up? Todd?

Speaker 11 (41:46):
Hey, guys, you know I'm sober now. Fred just you know,
I took the time and composed myself before I made
the call, so I wouldn't be angry or drunk or
you know, a little crazy. So what I saw and
that game and when I think was bought me and
I couldn't really articulate it. Thanks, you know, Paul for
defending me a little bit. I appreciate that, and I
appreciated the good the poke there by you Fred, that

(42:09):
was good too. But what's bothering me is this team
looks tired. I think maybe we've got some veterans who
are pretty much up there in age, and we've got
some young guys who might be the rookie wall. And
I had to make sure that the rookie wall exists.
I went and researched it.

Speaker 12 (42:23):
It does exist.

Speaker 11 (42:23):
These guys, you know, they hit that wall. They're not
used to this level of games, and maybe that'd even
contributed a little bit to the injuries. I'm you know,
I'm not sure, but they look tired. I don't know
why or how they can deal with that, Like it's
probably because this bias so dang late that it's just
it's too hard on them a little bit right now.

(42:44):
The way the teams compose, because it's been that combination
of veterans and youth that I think has made this
team so so good and right now, I don't know.
I think I almost want to say, play your backups
for the Giants. Take a loss, play up, play your backups,
take the lot.

Speaker 1 (43:00):
Just Todd.

Speaker 2 (43:01):
We're in a playoff race.

Speaker 1 (43:04):
You can't do is critical.

Speaker 4 (43:06):
I actually don't think they were. They look that tired
they stopped playing in this game. I don't I actually
thought that their energy pregame and on the sideline just
being there was was really good. And I remember at
one point looking at the Patriots side of the field
in warm ups and then looking at the Bengals side
of the field and warm ups, and one team was
doing its thing and doing what the Patriots do, and

(43:27):
Diggs is breaking down the huddle and all this kind
of stuff, and then the other team on the other
side of the field is kind of just like going
through the motions. And I was like, well, I remember
what it was like to be on the other side
of the field in these games. So it's a late
bye week and that that's obvious to everybody, but I
don't think, you know, kind of the struggles that happened

(43:48):
on Sunday, I don't think that was due to fatigue.
I don't.

Speaker 1 (43:51):
Vinnie's in Vegas. What's up, Vinnie.

Speaker 13 (43:55):
Hey, guys, Okay, you know, I am not angry or embarrassed,
but I watch a little worried. At the beginning of
the game though, I think that, you know, we're starting
to really see how dependent we on on Drake because
he just didn't look good. So I was like, holy crap,

(44:15):
this is not what's going on. And I think at
this point we're starting to notice that if he doesn't
have the superstar at that moment, the games are going
to be tough. I mean, they're gonna be a slog
you know. And then the other thing. I'm surprised actually
that this is the first game that I saw Carlton

(44:35):
Davis play and actually show, you know, what he was doing.
So I'm happy about that part. But I do think
that we're very reliant on Drake and when he doesn't
have it together and right away we're going to struggle.

Speaker 1 (44:47):
Yeah, I kind of agree with that. I mean, the
team will go as far as Drake will tell them
take them. They don't have a dominant offensive line. They
have a much better offensive line than they had last year.
But it's not dominant that shows in the run game.
So it is up to Drake. It is up to
Drake now that they're banged up too.

Speaker 5 (45:05):
And I would agree on Carlton Davis. I thought he
was really good in the game and I thought it
was his best game.

Speaker 1 (45:10):
Yeah the sun, oh the one got hurt.

Speaker 6 (45:14):
He was really mad.

Speaker 4 (45:15):
Yeah, that was a tough call. Like you have two
really physical players like jockeying for positioning down the field,
and like, I didn't think he grabbed or anything. I
think they were just kind of the back.

Speaker 14 (45:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (45:27):
I don't remember being up in arms on the flag,
like he sort of was on top of him before
the ball got there.

Speaker 4 (45:35):
So I wouldn't say up in arms. I just like, like,
if you have two guys that are physical players that
there heavyweights and hearing.

Speaker 5 (45:42):
I thought he got the early. I would I'm with Fred.
But I could see I actually teat him up in
the post game. He was our guest in the post
game show, and I said, I asked him about it,
and I saw his face. I knew how upset he
was about it, and I was like, just I stopped
and I said, talk about it. Terrible journalism questions but
his face told the whole story. I know why they

(46:05):
called the penalty, and I think that's gonna be It's
kind of like the offensive interference on Matt Collins, like
when when a defensive back gets pinballed like that, Like
that's gonna be a penalty, whether or not that was
an intent or whatever. He got there a little early
on that on that deep ball, but I think it
was really really good coverage. Yeah, really good coverage.

Speaker 4 (46:25):
Yeah, his uh, you know, he took away Flacco's primary
read on the pick six two. He was covering Higgins
on that play, and he took Higgins out of the
play and and Flacco went from the deep route to
the checkdown through right to Marcus Jones.

Speaker 6 (46:40):
One of the more laughable plays.

Speaker 5 (46:42):
Yeah, Joe said, like you throw high over the middle
and it's going to go that way. Will you throw
late to the That's what's.

Speaker 4 (46:50):
Going to happen to Yeah, he was really good. Carlton
Davis was in this game, you know, elt But why
did you have to do that?

Speaker 7 (46:59):
Well?

Speaker 3 (46:59):
I didn't love to touch Tounty gave up. I mean
right off the I would say and check me if
I'm wrong, But I feel like he was part of
the plan that didn't give up a lot to t Higgins.
But I also just was like, he just got beat
off the line by.

Speaker 4 (47:14):
Now in his defense, it's the first touchdown he's given
up all year, and Tinsley like that is the one
route Tinsley can run. He is the one route that
he's actually decent. Decent At a couple of weeks earlier,
he beat uh who was.

Speaker 5 (47:31):
Catch?

Speaker 4 (47:32):
He beat somebody on the same route.

Speaker 15 (47:35):
Release.

Speaker 4 (47:37):
You guys are are whistling by the fact that the
left tackle and the DT are out for for extended
period of time. But Aisconsin gives up one catch and
where you know, I.

Speaker 5 (47:48):
Believe I specifically said, I'm not whistling past the graveyard
with the losses. But you know, now you'll, like the
other teams, you got to deal with some some of
your personnel.

Speaker 6 (47:58):
Being out of the lineup.

Speaker 1 (48:00):
I don't think Eldred in North Carolina? What's up, Eldred?

Speaker 16 (48:06):
Hey Fellers, how y'all doing all right?

Speaker 8 (48:09):
I should have did that.

Speaker 16 (48:10):
Because, hey, Paul, I'm leaving our favorite spot, Myrtle Beach.

Speaker 5 (48:14):
Nice. Nice.

Speaker 16 (48:16):
I'm on five oh one right now heading back out. No,
I brought something for Hobby lobby. They opened up a
new hobby lobby.

Speaker 2 (48:26):
Down okay, cross expanding.

Speaker 16 (48:29):
Yeah, all right, No, I'm not embarrassed. I'm a little
worried and bred. I'm with you. I don't worried about
the Giant a little bit because they held the Lions
for a little bit and they scored twenty seven points
on them until the what eight minutes of the fourth quarter.
Then that's when that game got away from him, and
they they looked pretty good. You know, what's like I said,

(48:51):
what keeps bothering me is the line a little bit
and the defense, you know, the secondary, the way they're
giving up. And I know Paul and Evan just said
a Dunzo and the one, but Evan, I don't seen
a d Mitchell beat him off. And I haven't seen Kensley.
Well you y'all won't call them nobody, but hey, they
he got burnt twice, and that's kind of work. I

(49:13):
don't know if he played down to day competition or
up and one more thing and I let it go.
I heard Bert Trane and Sola to my office line.
But it's been like in the little twenty twenty six
on Das or whatever on path Rush and on pressures.
I want to take it off the line. Yeah, we

(49:33):
can't run, so I'm just wondering and I take it
off off the air.

Speaker 1 (49:38):
Okay, thank you, thanks Eldred.

Speaker 4 (49:39):
Yeah, I mean the run game has been all year long. Yeah,
and it's not a line that's necessarily built. I don't
think that way, you know. I do think they have
more athletics.

Speaker 1 (49:49):
I think we al though thought that they'd be a
little bit better running team than they are.

Speaker 4 (49:53):
Yeah, I do all year. But the coverage I thought
in this game was pretty good. This is probably one
of their better games. As a secondary, I thought it
was fine. I mean they the pressure on Placco and
in the run defense were the bigger.

Speaker 5 (50:08):
I don't really have a huge amount of problems with
the defense in this game in general. I know that
the run yards were there. You know what I think
of ren yards generally, they don't lead to points. But
I'm not telling you you you should like I'll give
you like an example of what bothered me in terms
of run defense. After they got stopped on the one

(50:29):
yard line, So you're back on the line and one
one run, Chase Brown gets a first down and they're
out of jail, Like that can't happen, and they did lose.
I thought the perimeter a lot of that game. Three
or four times he got easy yards.

Speaker 4 (50:46):
Yeah, I think that. You know, the the one off
back off the goal line, they tried to slant, they
tried to like run a like a stunt, and they
caught him in the slunt, in the slant, in the stunt.
And like when you have guys, you know, early on
in the season that are getting all these reps together
and are building those chemistries and things like that, and
it's all the same five six seven guys doing it,

(51:07):
and now all of a sudden you look out there
and it's like, you know, Corey Durden and Eric Gregory
and like it. Yeah, just different guys. It's not necessarily
about the talent. It's just you know, when you're trying
to pull off these schemes like it, you know, it's
harder to do and you don't have those reps together
built up over a period of time. You know, in
terms of the pass rush, you know, defensively, until the

(51:30):
last drive where they had to pass the ball, they
only had a fifteen percent pressure rate. I only had
them at fourteen point eight percent. They had four pressures
the whole rest of the game. And now once they
got into that final drive, they started to heat them
up and you know, things like that.

Speaker 5 (51:45):
Did you think that they played coverage though for the
most part, because I agree with you, I didn't see
a lot of missed opportunities in the game. I thought
they covered really well. It's hard on TV sometimes to
see all that, but.

Speaker 1 (51:57):
You watched all twenty two you can see.

Speaker 7 (51:59):
I know.

Speaker 5 (51:59):
I I have no interest in see the whole in
watching a game because safety. Everybody will tell me what
I'm supposed to know anyway, so we can move on.

Speaker 1 (52:09):
Yeah, no, I don't think there's all the more reason
to see it for yourself if you don't trust.

Speaker 5 (52:12):
I saw it, okay, but you know, you know, I'm
pretty self for you know, confident, Like I saw the again.

Speaker 6 (52:21):
I have my opinion, all right.

Speaker 1 (52:22):
I see my food. I'm gonna eat, So we're gonna
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Speaker 19 (54:31):
Hi morning, good morning, Yeah, as are supposed to say,
good morning, great, Okay, who's up?

Speaker 18 (54:43):
I heard you say on the radio that Will could
probably miss multiple games.

Speaker 13 (54:47):
We saw the Darien on the left on Sunday, Marcus
Bryan on the right.

Speaker 1 (54:51):
Do you expect to continue to use Vadarian?

Speaker 4 (54:53):
Would you also consider Marcus, how do you think.

Speaker 18 (54:55):
You'll navigate that?

Speaker 19 (54:57):
I don't know why I would have an accurate answer
for you right now, just where we're at, probably go
through you know, the week of practice, I thought Verdarien,
you know, I had a couple of good plays and
again he hasn't had to go in there for us.
But I think everybody just has to be ready for
their opportunity, and you know, I thought he was for
the most part. Things will have to continue to work

(55:19):
on and clean up. But you know, just right now
is probably look too soon to figure out what the
what the lineup is going to look like.

Speaker 7 (55:27):
I don't know if he's had.

Speaker 2 (55:28):
A chance undergo any testing or anything.

Speaker 7 (55:30):
But is there anything more you can toss about Will's
injury in the morning, Uh, no, many he'll be.

Speaker 19 (55:35):
He won't be out there this week, and uh you
know it's going to be a couple of weeks. We'll
have to make a decision here on a roster, see
how long that'll be and go from there. But it's
nothing that's gonna, you know, hopefully put him out for
this entire season. Yeah, you know, probably too soon to tell,

(55:57):
you know, see how the week of practice goes, or
see how to re app goes, and see how he
responds there.

Speaker 10 (56:05):
After yesterdays And you said something along the lines and paraphrasing,
So tell me if I get this rod.

Speaker 7 (56:10):
Because I probably didn't mean it either.

Speaker 8 (56:11):
So you know about.

Speaker 10 (56:13):
How the team, both the players and the coaching staff
and needing to recover faster from things that don't go
your way in game for coaches and mainly for yourself individually.

Speaker 3 (56:26):
What does that look like.

Speaker 7 (56:27):
We'll just set in the temperature.

Speaker 19 (56:28):
I mean, I have to set the temperature for for
what we do and make sure that everybody is you know,
that we understand things change quickly and that everybody has
to be on the you know, on the ready, go
through different lineup changes and personnel groups are up, personnel
groups are down. Field goal protection has got moving parts

(56:52):
and you know we're using fifteen guys on a field
goal protection throughout the course of the game.

Speaker 7 (56:57):
That's you know, normally doesn't happen.

Speaker 19 (57:01):
And then just understand that, you know, if we give
up an interception and again, how we come back and respond.

Speaker 7 (57:06):
We had a scoring drive.

Speaker 19 (57:08):
Defense kept us in there, a special team, you know,
gave us some opportunities. We had a good return there
at the end of the game when we needed it
able to get points. Wasn't a touchdown drive, but it
was a huge drive that took some time and then
allowed Andy to kick a field goal to make it
a touchdown game. And I think that you can all

(57:28):
see that, you know, when we've gotten into those situations
when they've needed a touchdown at the end of the
game as opposed to a field goal, that we've been
able to get the drive stock.

Speaker 7 (57:38):
And it's, however, pretty or not pretty.

Speaker 19 (57:42):
It is whether it's a in Miami or that game yesterday.

Speaker 7 (57:46):
You know, six points and three points is a big difference.

Speaker 18 (57:50):
Referencing something else he said last night. Does being undefeated
on the road fall into the category of records and
numbers don't mean.

Speaker 7 (57:58):
Cleep or go ahead, let it go. It feels good,
just say it, let it go.

Speaker 1 (58:02):
It feels good to tell you anything about again.

Speaker 7 (58:07):
I think that they.

Speaker 19 (58:11):
Found a way to win, and I'm proud of them,
and there's a lot more that we can do and
then we can play better, we can play with better details.
But in the end, I mean, they found a way
to win, and uh, it's not easy to do in
the league that we're in. So we'll have to kind
of keep that fine balance of understanding the wins are important,

(58:32):
but improving at this time of the year is what's
most important.

Speaker 5 (58:36):
Would you seek for better.

Speaker 7 (58:38):
We started for cha.

Speaker 19 (58:40):
You know, he was ready to go, but you know
I had a few play you know. I mean again,
they all do, everybody does.

Speaker 7 (58:45):
I thought he was ready to go. I thought he
was into it.

Speaker 19 (58:47):
Ben gives us a you know, great effort, and you
know he was prepared for for the opportunity.

Speaker 7 (58:54):
It's your reactional.

Speaker 5 (58:55):
Shane's fine.

Speaker 19 (58:57):
Well, Shane's a you know, close and so we started
in his business together at Ohio State.

Speaker 7 (59:04):
Shane's a good football coach. This business is.

Speaker 19 (59:07):
You know, you know, again, the things happen, they make decisions.
So I'll support Shane the best that I can and
in his family, but then also you know, focus on
everything that we have here.

Speaker 7 (59:20):
So that's kind of how this thing goes.

Speaker 20 (59:23):
I'd say, continuing to uh improve, you know, from from
a health standpoint, and you know, again it's it's a
it's a process in the treatment.

Speaker 7 (59:36):
But I would say that he did everything that he.

Speaker 19 (59:39):
Could to get himself ready for these for the treatment,
for for the chemo, and so therefore I think that
he's he's responded well and it's good to see him
continuing to have have good weeks and then come in
and see us when he feels up to it, which
which he has.

Speaker 21 (59:58):
Mike it seems, is when if there are receivers missing,
how a quarterback would have to adjust based on the receiver,
a replacements speed, height, whatever. When an offensive line is
when an offensive line is missing, what a quarterbacks have
to be aware of that maybe we don't see or
people that haven't been in the trench like that, how

(01:00:18):
do they change with different offensive lineman with them?

Speaker 19 (01:00:23):
Well, I mean just making sure that the communication is
good and that everybody is on the same page. And
then how you know that you can you know, there
are matchups that you need to help.

Speaker 7 (01:00:35):
I mean assuming that you.

Speaker 19 (01:00:37):
Know there's a player that's not a starter that then
goes in there. And again, are there matchups that you
have to be aware of and be able to allocate
resources to, you know, for protection and things like that.

Speaker 15 (01:00:54):
Making sure there are a lot of details that go into
some of those goal line plays that you guys.

Speaker 22 (01:00:58):
Had offensively curious if there was anything more that maybe
Drake could have done.

Speaker 7 (01:01:04):
There was more that that I think we all could
have done.

Speaker 19 (01:01:07):
And uh, you know, you get into you know, the
balls on the inside the five yard line and you
have to figure out how, you know, if you're gonna
go big people and big personnel, and we were out
of that, and then you get into some other personnels
and you either have to you know, you can't block
them all, or you got to read somebody and make

(01:01:28):
decisions down there. And so, you know, it just seemed
like whether we were really close yesterday, you know, whether
that's pushing treveon in or Hunter scoring. You know, we
had the cross and they and they you know, Matt
kind of gets ping ponged into the guy and I
don't think he was trying to pick him. That's not

(01:01:49):
what we teach, but that's, you know, what they saw,
and he's gonna get caught. I'm not saying it's not.
But you have to be at your best down there.
You know they are, they're they're they're blitzing, they they
they're going to try to put some pressure on you
and make you make some tough decisions. And you know,
so we all have to be better down there, whether
they're wearing the goal line personnel or wearing eleven personnel.

Speaker 17 (01:02:11):
How did you feel the offense responded and someone put
situations looked like the sack?

Speaker 4 (01:02:15):
Was there anything that maybe could have avoided that one
with the.

Speaker 7 (01:02:17):
Corner coming out of the slot. Yeah. Probably.

Speaker 19 (01:02:21):
I mean again, the way that the protection was, you
just have to get rid of it and dirt it
and put it at the guy's feet. But I think
at that point in time, with where the protection went
and what he felt like, you know, getting five guys out,
that would probably should have just got rid of the ball.

(01:02:43):
But we you know, didn't make one mistake into another
and took a sack and we were able to get
some yards on the next play and kick a field goal.
So there's going to be things like that that happened
in the game. We just hopefully we can learn from.

Speaker 1 (01:02:56):
Can we Adkiris and the same question.

Speaker 5 (01:02:59):
Any update on him?

Speaker 19 (01:03:00):
So disappointed he felt like he let his guys down,
not being able to finish. There is never going to
let anybody down as long as he's here, and these
guys want to go, and I have to look at him,
and I got to figure out if they can and
if they can protect themselves and they can do their
job and not make it any worse. And he clearly,

(01:03:21):
from what I saw it wasn't going to be able
to do most of those things.

Speaker 7 (01:03:24):
And so we'll just see how he progresses to the week.

Speaker 5 (01:03:28):
So I want to respect the privacy of the situation,
but they don't want me.

Speaker 7 (01:03:31):
I don't I think that, you know. I mean you
can see that the.

Speaker 19 (01:03:37):
Players and his team and everybody associated with it, the
organization care deeply about him, but uh, you know, respect
to his privacy. And so we'll leave it at that.

Speaker 1 (01:03:50):
And now great moments in history. Both terms refer to
items found floating in the sea. However, Eric was wrong
stating that the distinction relates to the.

Speaker 22 (01:04:02):
Type of vehicle. I misspoke, Eric, We have it on tape.
I just said I misspoke. You were clear, were you
taking context? There was no misspeaking. Did you misremember the.

Speaker 1 (01:04:14):
Fact that you mentioned a plane is absolutely one hundred
percent wrong.

Speaker 22 (01:04:18):
Yes, because I was thinking in my head jet Jettison
was thinking jets wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:04:23):
So my that's how I was remembering it, because he
said jets Let me finish this. The correct distinction is
that floats on his debris from a flessel, from a
vessel that was that was not deliberately thrown overboard, and
jetsam is debris from a vessel that was deliberately thrown over.
You didn't say that, Yes, I did say that.

Speaker 4 (01:04:46):
Eric I said, when there's a.

Speaker 22 (01:04:49):
Shipwreck, heats them, Yeah, because it just floats, when it
just floats from a shipwreck, when.

Speaker 5 (01:04:56):
You throw stuff off off.

Speaker 1 (01:04:58):
But he was right about the the action.

Speaker 2 (01:05:00):
He was wrong about the vehicle, right.

Speaker 22 (01:05:04):
I said, when there's a shipwreck, Yeah, the stuff that's
the debris from the shipwreck is floating.

Speaker 1 (01:05:11):
That's flats.

Speaker 6 (01:05:12):
That's not correct.

Speaker 1 (01:05:14):
It is correct. That's another great moment. I love stubbornness.
All right. Back here on Patriot on Filter today five
to five PATS five hundred is the hotline podcast at
Patriots dot com. Is the email address. A couple of
emails coming in, A lot of emails coming in, actually,
but a couple that I'll read. Dan in Pennsylvania, he says,

(01:05:37):
does this win over the Bengals qualify it as a win?
That feels like a loss given the poor play and
the key injuries. That's his first question. No, not to me.

Speaker 4 (01:05:47):
I would take the poor play out, like I don't
have an issue with how they played, Like just win
in advance, man, like it's week thirteen, they haven't had
to buy yet, Like, just win the game and get
out of Cincinnati. The injuries stink like that stinks out.

Speaker 5 (01:06:02):
Injuries give you a little of that pyrrhic victory feeling
because you know at what cost.

Speaker 2 (01:06:06):
But and it's not just on the till too.

Speaker 3 (01:06:08):
Like there's something about like losing Will Campbell, the rookie
first round pick kid that's been a great personality, and
you know, it's just.

Speaker 2 (01:06:15):
This is a buzzkill.

Speaker 3 (01:06:16):
That's like, I feel bad because I felt like on
the post game show, I was ready to open a
vein about it's over.

Speaker 2 (01:06:21):
Will Campbell's done for the year.

Speaker 3 (01:06:22):
I mean, he still might be, but at least now
there's a like a glimmer of hope that maybe he
comes back.

Speaker 7 (01:06:26):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:06:27):
So I felt yesterday really improved. I was you know,
I was in a dark No.

Speaker 3 (01:06:32):
There's a certain point during the show, during the game
we're watching it and I'm like, I'm not having fun.

Speaker 2 (01:06:36):
I'm not having fun right now.

Speaker 1 (01:06:38):
That's tough.

Speaker 4 (01:06:39):
I mean he's been awesome, Like he's been awesome, and
I you know, exactly when you draft to tackle fourth overall,
you want to put him at left tackle for the
next second, get it. And it feels like they have
that's going to be bad. He's gonna be bad.

Speaker 3 (01:06:54):
I mean I had already gone through like the mental
progression of like and then he gets his a cl
and then we're like p up next year and maybe he.

Speaker 1 (01:07:00):
Comes back like I had already like gained this all out.

Speaker 6 (01:07:02):
And so I didn't offensive Lineman.

Speaker 4 (01:07:05):
I wasn't thinking about all that.

Speaker 3 (01:07:07):
Was good and now he might not run as well.
Maybe you have to wear a clunky knee brace and
that's gonna look like these are.

Speaker 1 (01:07:12):
The whole seam they should be wearing.

Speaker 4 (01:07:14):
Don't do that?

Speaker 3 (01:07:15):
People are well, I puinted that out because I thought
I wouldn't do that.

Speaker 5 (01:07:19):
But that's it's a much different situation sometime.

Speaker 3 (01:07:23):
What it's about to make. And you just talk over
me like you always do, according to the listeners.

Speaker 5 (01:07:28):
I do, I do?

Speaker 1 (01:07:29):
That was real?

Speaker 5 (01:07:31):
That was real, listener, haven't said that? Not a real play?

Speaker 3 (01:07:36):
Why don't got Why don't offensive Linman wear knee braces anymore?
Is it just the Patriots? Like I thought of that,
and then I was like looking at the film and
I'm like, no, no, they should have and I remember
a time when they all did.

Speaker 1 (01:07:46):
I don't know, easy to get rolled up on.

Speaker 4 (01:07:47):
Yeah, but this wasn't rolled up on, so I don't
think that. It's just like it would have.

Speaker 1 (01:07:50):
Had a sharp blow to the side of your work.

Speaker 4 (01:07:52):
Yeah, I don't think this would.

Speaker 3 (01:07:54):
But I just I just mean generally think speaking like
I feel like not too long ago, all the offensive
lineman war knee braces just doesn't matter.

Speaker 4 (01:08:01):
I think it's adatory in practice. At one point it
was they were thinking about making a mandatory and I
don't know what happened with that, but this was a
blow to the side of his knee from a guy
that was pursuing the ball. I don't know. I mean,
I don't know enough about knee braced mechanics and all that,
but I can't imagine this one.

Speaker 1 (01:08:20):
It's funny because you know, there's this big emphasis on
on safety in football, but these players, other than helmets,
they wear less and less pads every year.

Speaker 5 (01:08:30):
It is, that's true.

Speaker 3 (01:08:32):
You see, there was a there was a comparison going
around on X of like an old thigh pad, like
a thigh pad from the eighties and like a high
and they don't even.

Speaker 1 (01:08:39):
Wear knee pads. Forget about knee pads or even like
shimp pads and soccer you ever see those like sometimes
there's shimp pads used to wear the whole thing, but
that I understand. But like, yeah, in football, like even
the shoulder pads were getting smaller. Did they even wear that?
Remember that butt pad that we used to have in
the high school football? Like the copsicks protect do they
don't protect their coxsacks more? Why is that? The second

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questions a good thing.

Speaker 6 (01:09:03):
We stopped talking, so if you get that out the question.

Speaker 1 (01:09:07):
Second question, Paul, does this win? Check the box of
a game where Drake didn't have his stuff but was
able to battle and power through it well enough to
get the w. Yeah, yeah, absolutely agree.

Speaker 3 (01:09:17):
Points of that pop throw is you know, I mean
that was to me a key moment where it felt
like they were you know, bad field position. They were
third and eleven. I mean it felt like they were
up against it and then launched that throw up.

Speaker 5 (01:09:28):
Though they did enough to win as a team, I
would say, you know, Drake, everybody else too, but defensively,
boor gotless.

Speaker 6 (01:09:35):
You don't win this game if your.

Speaker 5 (01:09:36):
Kicker is not perfect.

Speaker 2 (01:09:37):
Probably right, you missed out last.

Speaker 4 (01:09:40):
He made some long ones too. They had a fifty
something the arder. I thought that you know, it's we're
getting so spoiled with Drake May like he he was
bad by his standards in this game probably you know,
I had it as his second worst game of the year,
behind only the opener, and he still made three or
four throws that nobody else on the planet can probably make.

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Like it's really like to that point with him where
it's every single weeks he makes three or four throws
to make your jaw drop. And you know that seems
splitter to Pop was a great one. The back shoulder
seemed to Hooper was another really great one. He threw
a go to uh you know, fade to Mac Collins
that was just perfectly plays down the sideline for another
chunk play. You know, he made three or four throws

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in this game, even on and off day that were
high level.

Speaker 1 (01:10:27):
About Pop. I love, you know, he's producing, you know,
some nice plays lately. But can we get a coach
in here that will help him with his balance? He
just seems to fall down.

Speaker 4 (01:10:38):
The end around he went down, but every time like
he gets in the open field, he just falls. Well,
I thought that he went down on the end around
because he was gonna get popped, and so he just
went down little self president and then the one over
the middle he dope for the catch the ball.

Speaker 6 (01:10:51):
Yeah so what I hear you?

Speaker 1 (01:10:52):
That's fine?

Speaker 4 (01:10:53):
Yeah, yeah, that's been an end around.

Speaker 5 (01:10:56):
Like maybe you guys might have seen like the defenders
come like, because we both laughed at that one, like.

Speaker 4 (01:11:02):
He fea, I thought the same thing. I mean, it
was a little bit of both. But just to be.

Speaker 1 (01:11:07):
Fair, you know those balls you can stand on and
kind of work on your balances.

Speaker 4 (01:11:13):
I don't know he told me that on the which
one was It was one of the ones. There's so
many of these drunken sailor ones from him, and I
don't know which one it was, but one of the players.
He told me that he like gave himself like a
little bit of whiplash because he looked back to see
if there was a defender going back and then when
he snapped his head forward, Yeah, I got like disoriented.

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So I just wonder if like maybe that is part
of it, like he's like kind of looking around. Ton't
do that, just run you think it all goes back
to it can beat people.

Speaker 1 (01:11:44):
You don't need to look Brendan and Edmonton. Once again,
Todd won ups himself and only a way he could
by suggesting tanking a week with eight eight days away
from a game to rest before a bye week. I'm
sure Todd was happy with his participation medals in his
sports career, but us normies are not. This guy is cooked. Wow,
and also shout out to Alex for her glow up.

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I hope she remembers us when she's gone Hollywood. Yeah, Carissa,
what's her name, Rissa Thompson, Chrissa Thompson. Uh, you know,
shouted her out on the internet on the new podcast
on the Internet of the top podcasts.

Speaker 3 (01:12:22):
I mean, we're the world's original podcast, but I would
say the Kelsey's podcast a little bit more popular. But yeah, yeah,
that's huge, said baller move with the handwritten note, like
slip that to her and now.

Speaker 5 (01:12:34):
It came up.

Speaker 1 (01:12:34):
That's pretty cool. That's really cool. Yeah, I mean I don't.

Speaker 6 (01:12:40):
Maybe we'll have her on. Maybe she'll be on tomorrow
show tomorrow.

Speaker 5 (01:12:44):
Yeah, maybe she can.

Speaker 6 (01:12:45):
Uh you know, you can talk about maybe delve into that.

Speaker 10 (01:12:48):
Chris.

Speaker 2 (01:12:48):
You won't be here, Paul, so you don't get to
listen to it.

Speaker 5 (01:12:50):
Mike and I we had some time with Carissa. I'm
not sure Chrissa knows that she had time when I was.

Speaker 4 (01:12:57):
Seems very interested in Chris's whereabouts when they were here.

Speaker 5 (01:13:00):
I know she like they on the Thursday night games,
like that whole crew, and it's there's a lot. There's
a lot that goes into those Thursday night broadcasts. That
whole crew was in our area the whole time around.
They were like walking around.

Speaker 1 (01:13:14):
I once sent a letter, so you're not asked a
letter to be delivered to John Elway, but I don't
think you ever got it. You should, you know, at
home every week?

Speaker 3 (01:13:23):
What do you think if I gave a handwritten note
to Laura Rutledge this Monday night for Monday Night football,
because she'll.

Speaker 4 (01:13:28):
Be here that ship with the crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:13:34):
Yeah, maybe maybe you'll get a shout I want to
shout out for I think she's great.

Speaker 5 (01:13:39):
She's great, She's just great.

Speaker 1 (01:13:40):
Who if you could give a handwritten note to anyone?
Who would you give a handwritten note to? Mhmm?

Speaker 6 (01:13:47):
Handwritten note?

Speaker 1 (01:13:49):
I don't know, you don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:13:51):
People don't do that anymore, they don't.

Speaker 1 (01:13:53):
People don't write Jim Calhoun random about you, Evan?

Speaker 5 (01:13:59):
Who would you? Philip Bailey? Good call there?

Speaker 4 (01:14:01):
Who would you write a note to a handwritten note,
you know, like a note of thanks or a note
of praise.

Speaker 5 (01:14:06):
How will we do this? I have ever written a
handwritten note.

Speaker 4 (01:14:10):
Like when I write camp and I would I'd have
to write letters to my parents. It was mad, so
I had to do it. I would say handwritten. Not
Kyle Shanahan, just like like slip them a little note
at the combine and just be like, I really appreciate
your film. Thank you, just kind of.

Speaker 3 (01:14:26):
You must have gotten a lot of handwritten thank you
notes friend your day with number of interviews.

Speaker 2 (01:14:30):
That you used to do appeal.

Speaker 1 (01:14:31):
Nobody does that the email?

Speaker 5 (01:14:34):
What would you who would you give a note to.

Speaker 1 (01:14:38):
Handwritten note? Uh? John Lynch, No, I don't know. I
don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:14:44):
It's not an easy question that you hit me with.
You kind of yeah, you scoffed at me.

Speaker 4 (01:14:48):
I did I did write I call it would be
my answer.

Speaker 1 (01:14:51):
I did. I did write a note to Obama and
I got an email back from second the White House.
That's cool.

Speaker 4 (01:14:59):
It's like when you send like a invitation to the president,
like you're like barbar your wedding or something, and they're like,
you're sorry, but he can't come. Yeah, really, I thought
he was going to show up.

Speaker 9 (01:15:12):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:15:12):
Paul writes in I've certainly never been embarrassed by my
sports team, but just this morning, I was walking through
the grocery store in my Patriots hoodie and came face
to face with a guy dressed in Bill's gear. We
both looked directly at each other, and I couldn't help
but smirk. I hated being that guy the last few years.

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Have a great Thanksgiving gopats so.

Speaker 3 (01:15:35):
Good moment these little eyebrows experience too, A big one
a couple of weeks.

Speaker 1 (01:15:42):
Yeah, poor poor Bills fans.

Speaker 4 (01:15:44):
Huh, poor Bills. We'll see, we'll up against I don't
have any money, but somebody that does have money. When
the Patriots win the AFC East, can we get a
billboard outside of high Mark Stadium?

Speaker 1 (01:15:56):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:15:56):
Sure that says like we run the East or something
cool like they did to hear because they won't.

Speaker 5 (01:16:03):
I'm sure that no one would do that Patriots fan.

Speaker 4 (01:16:05):
You know, celebrating division titles like they mean anything. So
I might as well give it back right to the
great people of Buffalo. Think you right? Someone that has
like you know, I can't afford it, so somebody in Buffalo.

Speaker 1 (01:16:17):
Probably pretty affordable, I would make. That's a great point.

Speaker 4 (01:16:20):
They pay you a good point. Or maybe like one
of those planes that like fids like over the stadium
with the as like a Champions Patriots.

Speaker 3 (01:16:28):
Some Steeler fan did that over here against Pittsburgh and
O seven, the pulling a banner like asterix about Super Bowls.

Speaker 2 (01:16:35):
I did not take comment to that.

Speaker 4 (01:16:36):
That was the one thing that they did that It
really pissed me off.

Speaker 1 (01:16:40):
And back to the phones. Michael's in Texas. What's up, Michael?

Speaker 23 (01:16:46):
Hey, thanks for you guys.

Speaker 12 (01:16:48):
Hear me?

Speaker 24 (01:16:48):
Okay, yep, yes, Michael, perfect.

Speaker 23 (01:16:51):
So I've got a question and a grite my question.
I know it's hard to you know, pinpoint and say
one or the other. But if you had to pick
one of the two, with this last weekend's game being
kind of the one of the sloppier ones as of late,
and seeing our armor peel back a little bit, who
would you credit win more with the players or the coaches.

(01:17:15):
I'll take that off air, but I'll just quickly jump
to my gripe and then let you guys get to it.
Good old Christian in La Christian Christian Christian you're telling
me that you waited on hold for at least fifteen
to twenty minutes and the best you could come up
with was stumbling through some god awful Texas jokes. I mean,
thank you for clearing up at least one thing that

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one of these self proclaimed tools that you have to
comeback is certainly not one of them. Got to mention
your joke as a hole in it. You mentioned that
you only know of two things in Texas, when that's
a bit of a lie because I'm clearly living rent
free in your mind. So let's put that tool back
into your Stanley Junior toolbox set that you probably took

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out of your kids, don't. I don't want you to
hurt yourself there, Bud, But I'll go ahead and I'll
stop there. You know, I know that everybody loves a
good villain. You know, you guys are great. Andy was
great at it and everything, you know, But Christian, I
don't want you thinking that I'm lumping you into that group.
I said good villain, not crap villain. So I hope

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you guys enjoy the rest of your wowy Christian, enjoy
enjoy your sushi and seeing your discounts see you guys later.

Speaker 1 (01:18:26):
All right, Michael bringing it, Texas claps back, bringing it
listener on listener crime. Okay, I'm here for that, right, Yeah,
let's go.

Speaker 4 (01:18:37):
Yeah, Christian in La in three two, Tyrell's in New Jersey.

Speaker 1 (01:18:43):
What's up Tyrell? Tyrell? What exit? No, he's not there. Okay,
we'll go. Also dance in New Jersey. What's up Dan?

Speaker 7 (01:18:57):
Yeah? Montclair, Montclair?

Speaker 12 (01:18:59):
Okay, Yeah, yeah, So not not angry, Fred, just but
I do have a couple of concerns.

Speaker 10 (01:19:08):
Uh.

Speaker 12 (01:19:08):
First, you know, not going to belabor it, but the
slow starts is getting to be, you know, kind of
a joke. But I understand they overcome it. No, okay.
The second one is the goal line offense. And I
don't know if if anyone broke it down, Like is
there a particular problem. How many were gravers, how many

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were Rimandre Thams versus Trevion And is it personnel or
they just bad luck?

Speaker 6 (01:19:37):
They all got chances they try.

Speaker 1 (01:19:40):
If you listen to the beginning of the show, Evan
kind of broke down at least one of the sequences.

Speaker 5 (01:19:44):
Yeah, Henderson got carries, Terrell Jennings got I think one
carry down there Stevenson I think got two.

Speaker 6 (01:19:52):
Henderson also was a receiver.

Speaker 5 (01:19:54):
They tried a quarterback sneak, They tried to leak the
tight end out a little bit, you know, in the
back in the end zone. They tried everything. They didn't
execute it, and.

Speaker 12 (01:20:04):
Campbell was there for both all that was. His injury
came later.

Speaker 4 (01:20:10):
Soon in the third quarter. I think, so, yeah, thanks Dan.

Speaker 5 (01:20:15):
Yeah, no, I mean they might not have been in
the second time they got down.

Speaker 4 (01:20:17):
This is purely execution like that. I don't think the
Bengals did anything in any in either sequence that got
the Patriots. Or maybe one play they blitzed the safety
on a play action that got them. But like for
the most part this was I.

Speaker 1 (01:20:31):
Thought that they ran too many plays up the middle.

Speaker 4 (01:20:35):
Like run plays. Yeah, okay, but if you're trying to
get one yard, no.

Speaker 1 (01:20:39):
I know, but they were running into a stone wall,
so like, I don't know, I would have moved it
outside a little bit, that's fair. I thought the one play,
I think it was the first one they tried, it was,
you know, design roll out for May where I think
he could have had I like that play, but I,
like you said at Bengals niff that out they.

Speaker 4 (01:21:01):
I don't think it was a designed rollout. I think
he rolled out because the safety was coming.

Speaker 1 (01:21:05):
Oh you think, Oh, I thought it was a design play.

Speaker 4 (01:21:08):
But the city we might have been, I don't know,
but the safety was clear to the quarterback, and I
think he was like, I got to get out of here. No,
but it was it was execution. They did not execute
well down there.

Speaker 1 (01:21:20):
On handwritten notes, Boston Cream said Fred would give a
handwritten note to Brandon Spikes if you know, you know correct?
I know, and I.

Speaker 2 (01:21:32):
Don't like it.

Speaker 1 (01:21:34):
Let's see Matt in Virginia. It wants to make a
humble attempt to win a T shirt. A few weeks ago,
you guys were talking about Brady and his punts. Well,
I decided to scour the internet to find out how
many times Tom punted. And so the first question is
how many punts did Tom Brady have in his career?

Speaker 3 (01:21:54):
And his page he had won against Denver in the
twenty eleven I'm gonna say AFC Divisional game.

Speaker 4 (01:22:00):
I think four say.

Speaker 1 (01:22:02):
You would say wrong, you would be wrong, and Paul,
you would be wrong, you would be wrong. Two three
oh home at Miami and O three Uh. It was
down at the one snowing Snowbowl in those snows game, Yes,
in those weird silver alternate jerseys. Punt two at home
Divisional round versus the Broncos in twenty twelve. It was

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a twenty eleventh.

Speaker 5 (01:22:25):
Season eleven, right, Mike's yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:22:28):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:22:28):
Punt three was at home versus the Bills in twenty thirteen,
no recollection, I remember that one. And then the bonus question,
what is Tom's career punt average? That's three two yards
thirty eight point seven. That's not good.

Speaker 4 (01:22:43):
Pretty close, I mean, well, he's punted.

Speaker 6 (01:22:45):
And you're punting.

Speaker 5 (01:22:46):
You're punting in plus territory nine, right.

Speaker 1 (01:22:50):
And bonus two? What other one other Patriots quarterback has punted?
Who was it?

Speaker 6 (01:22:57):
Only one other Patriots ever?

Speaker 5 (01:22:59):
According to that, that's a great trivia question.

Speaker 1 (01:23:02):
Tom Tupa was a punter. Oh yeah, that's that count nou. Yeah,
he doesn't have that though. That's a good one though.
Tom Tupa was, Yeah, no, he has Matt Castle at
the Bills in wait, it was down at the.

Speaker 5 (01:23:17):
One another one in the window in that wind one.

Speaker 4 (01:23:19):
Yeah, I'm sticking with Tom Tuba.

Speaker 1 (01:23:23):
That's a technicality punter slash quarterback.

Speaker 2 (01:23:27):
They don't make them like they used to.

Speaker 4 (01:23:28):
They don't. Could you imagine only had to have one
roster spot on? I think that's a great idea. I
can't imagine. I can't believe that Bill never figured out
how to have a kicker and a punter be the
same person like that. That's the other one that I
thought for sure, like he would be able to save
the roster spot.

Speaker 3 (01:23:47):
And you know, it's like show Tony, there's got to
be somebody who could kick punts and kickfield goals like
someone ever.

Speaker 1 (01:23:53):
In history able to do it.

Speaker 4 (01:23:55):
Wouldn't that be valuable? Like you have a free roster
spot like.

Speaker 3 (01:23:59):
A unif corn out there someday, then if that guy
gets hurt, though, you're screwed.

Speaker 1 (01:24:04):
That's true. You need to That's true, Jack and Aba.
The Patriots must buckle their shin straps for the Giants.
I watched the Giants against the Lions, and the Giants
are a much better team than their record suggests. Though
they don't have elite skilled players, they are very stout
on both sides of the line. They play hard, and

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they are well coached. They have led in most of
their games this season, and had they taken the points
instead of going for a touchdown on their second to
last possession, they would have beat the Lions. The Giants
are a dangerous opponent because the Patriots might be inclined
to take them lightly.

Speaker 3 (01:24:41):
You know, I'm a little few Johnson, like, he just
a big, big dude. And I noticed, especially with Dart,
there was like one drive they had and I think
it was in that Bears game where he just went
to like four straight times, like they started hitting it.

Speaker 1 (01:24:54):
But he's a big, contested catch.

Speaker 4 (01:24:55):
Guy receiver, make some good catches like that back.

Speaker 2 (01:25:00):
He makes some plays last week.

Speaker 3 (01:25:01):
You know, I just think I think the books out
on tront the target tight ends against this.

Speaker 4 (01:25:04):
Yeah. I don't know if I've called the Giants defense stout.
I think that's the opposite of what I would call
the Giants defense. But I hear his point overall about
the Giants, They've been in a lot of games. You know,
their records two and ten. They've lost five games that
they've led by double digits in the fourth quarter. They're
one in five and one score games. They're you know,

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they they've hung in games, you know, three weeks in
a row, they've lost three straight one score games, including
one in overtime, so it's not.

Speaker 6 (01:25:37):
Four twenty seven in overtime.

Speaker 4 (01:25:38):
They're not getting blown out.

Speaker 6 (01:25:39):
That's the last three games.

Speaker 4 (01:25:41):
Their defense been bad. Their offense has actually been respectable
given the situation. You know, no neighbors for most of
the year. The quarterback's kind of been flux. The coach
was an offensive minded coach that they fired. But their
offense like eighteenth and Dvoa, Like, it's not like it's
a disaster.

Speaker 1 (01:25:58):
It's not the it's not.

Speaker 3 (01:25:58):
The wounded animal that people make like dangerous when his
animals are really dangerous. But it's just a team that
like they're just gonna cut it loose and everything's on
the table and you know, like that, it's just I
think those are hard teams to beat if they just
come in and they're like, we don't care. You know,
we're down, we're up, we don't you know, We're gonna
throw the ball, We're gonna do double passes, and we're
gonna set our outside linebackers out on your tackles and

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we'll see what happens.

Speaker 7 (01:26:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:26:20):
Now, on the other hand, Jameis Winston might throw you
three picks and then all of a sudden, this game
turns into a blowout, but it goes one of two
ways with him. Yeah, either he throws for five hundred
yards or he throws five hundred yards to the other team.

Speaker 5 (01:26:33):
And there's some of what we just talked about with Flacco. Yeah,
I don't think Flacco is quite as dramatic with the
swings as Jameis Winston. But if you get good Flacco,
you can be in trouble. You didn't get good Flacco.
I think it's I think he was clearly well below
one hundred percent, which is why I would have played
Burrow in that game. I would have been desperate if
I was Cincinnati, and I would have put everything into

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trying to win that game to see if I can
salvage the season, and ultimately may have been the difference I.

Speaker 3 (01:27:01):
Think I saw he's had seven games where he's thrown
for three hundred yards and throwing three interceptions.

Speaker 4 (01:27:06):
Yeah, he's he doesn't understand the concept of a trap corner,
so like he's praying to Jesus.

Speaker 3 (01:27:12):
He said, He's, like, man, I pray to God he
could just help me stop throwing pick sixes.

Speaker 4 (01:27:16):
It's unbelievable to me that like a corner. And I'm
not trying to pick on James a cornerback that is
that that is dis experienced, and he just keeps throwing
into the corner, will like act like he's carrying the
receiver and then fall off the receiver and just jump
around underneath, and he throws into it every single time.
I'm I, dude, this it's a trap. It is literally
called a trap corner. And you keep throwing the ball right.

Speaker 1 (01:27:38):
After he's still even after. Yeah, it's crazy Kevin and Mass.
I think what was more concerning than the spray throws
from May early in the game was the lack of
a contingency plan for several blitzes the Bengals sent at us.
I saw multiple free blitzers get immediate pressure on May
didn't seem to be well identified pre snap. I didn't

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see the lines slid to the correct side or see
any alert adjustments from potential hot receivers. May either took
the sack or chucked up a prayer. I know his
pressure numbers have been good up until last game, which
is why I would have liked to think he would
have been better equipped to handle what the Bengals did.

Speaker 4 (01:28:16):
Yep, it's a good email. I think that was probably
the biggest concern coming out of this game from a
Drake May perspective, Like the pick like it happens, like
you're gonna you're not gonna go turnover free every single week.
You're gonna throw some picks in the NFL. Uh, the
lack of a plan against the blitzeres I asked him
about after the game. He fell on this sword as

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he usually does and said that he could have been
better with it pre snap and you know, getting guys
blocked and things like that. But even still some of
the ones, you know, they got him on a nickel
on a slot blitz that I thought Diggs was just
open and he kind of froze and didn't didn't get
rid of the football there. Or think Rabel said even
just throw the ball at Digs his feet and just

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live to play the dirdy the next down, you know
sort of thing even would have worked. Uh, the last
third down of the game, they led a guy through
the B gap unblocked and that was almost picked.

Speaker 6 (01:29:08):
And I didn't like his response to that one either.

Speaker 4 (01:29:11):
Yeah, so he so I think what happened was and
I put this in after further review the one that
I'm talking about with the slot blitz. He had digs
on a little out that he just kind of didn't throw,
and then they ran the same exact route into the
zero bulitz and Turner was ready for it this time,
and so he fell off his guy and jumped out

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knowing that it was coming, and Turner was this close
to a pick six that would have won the Bengels
the game. Uh So. But going back to the protection
for a second, like the A and the B gaps
have to be protected. You can't let guys through unblocked
through the A.

Speaker 5 (01:29:48):
And the B.

Speaker 4 (01:29:48):
Somebody comes off the edge, it happens. You know, the
quarterback can account for that, but you got to keep
him protected through the middle of the pocket.

Speaker 1 (01:29:56):
Uh Tay from Nebraska, He says, just want to First off,
we came through when it matters yet again. Second, I'm
not trying to stir up controversy, but watching the first
time and even the second, it really appeared Cincinnati was
trying to actively injure our players. For example, the overslam
of Pop Douglas. Also another play where Drake was getting

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tackled by two players and the one on top literally
punched him in the face. Maybe I'm looking too much
into it. Either way, we got the win. Yet again,
they probably were trying to hurt us.

Speaker 5 (01:30:29):
I would just say on the Douglas one, he hadn't
been touched down. He got up and ran, That's why
they threw him down. Yeah, despite the fact that Kevin
Harlan called that a touchdown for yard touchdown, he did
say that it was a great Now, I don't know
if he was saying touch he was touched down, but

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he said touchdown. That was one of the worst performances
by a veteran play by play guy misidentified players all
game long.

Speaker 4 (01:30:59):
Like I was thinking about this last night as I do.
The throat to pop might have been the best throw
I've seen in the NFL all year.

Speaker 5 (01:31:07):
That was a good throw like that.

Speaker 4 (01:31:08):
Really, that's on the list of any quarterback throws all
season long. That's on the list.

Speaker 5 (01:31:14):
I got a funny Top five funny quick one for this.
In the post game, I had said that, you know,
we were talking about how Drake was a little off
at the beginning of the game, and I was like,
you know, even when he got quote unquote hot, like
they like, Henry was just kind of getting wide open,
and he was he didn't really have a lot of
tight window throws.

Speaker 6 (01:31:30):
And Mike immediately goes, well that one.

Speaker 5 (01:31:31):
Pop talk was like, oh yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:31:33):
That one, Oh yeah, that one's throw, and I was like, oh,
I forgot about that one.

Speaker 4 (01:31:40):
His feet are in his own end zone and he
and he throws with anticipation forty yards down.

Speaker 3 (01:31:47):
That just kind of like he like looked back and
then he got around the guy and like, I mean,
absurd were he lets go with the ball? Pop hasn't
even really like nottten in. I mean, that's just practicing.

Speaker 1 (01:31:56):
Dylan writes in I was listening to Barth on one
of his shows, and he points out that despite Drake
playing exceptionally well, he's not very good at the QB sneak.
What is your take on putting someone else under center
for Sneaks? Bart suggested Hollins, but I like Henry or
Hooper in that role. Who would you pick?

Speaker 4 (01:32:14):
It's a good point. Turns this back that Alex and
I have talked about before. I want to say probably him,
but I want to say that we have.

Speaker 15 (01:32:24):
It.

Speaker 4 (01:32:24):
You know, Sneaks is all about pad level, Like Brady
was so good at it because he got really really
low and you know, really drove his legs and got
underneath and kind of like burrowed underneath the big bodies there.
I don't think he gets low enough. I think he
tries to go over the top with it and and
it doesn't really get that push, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:32:43):
I potentially analyze that.

Speaker 5 (01:32:44):
He turns us back, and he definitely turned his back
on that one, and that's why the ball never got
to the goal line.

Speaker 4 (01:32:50):
Yeah, Brady used to just go straight down like he
would just kind of like burrow underneath it.

Speaker 1 (01:32:56):
Eric says, this is why we should have kept Dugger
and White. They're both doing well in Pittsburgh and San Francisco.
What do you guys think.

Speaker 4 (01:33:05):
I don't know how that helps the situation.

Speaker 2 (01:33:07):
I haven't seen any of.

Speaker 5 (01:33:08):
I haven't seen any I can't tell you that that's
right or wrong. Douggers made an impact in Pittsburgh, but
he wasn't playing really here unless one of those guys
was hurt.

Speaker 4 (01:33:18):
I mean, I guess you could make the argument that
ke On White could have rushed inside on some third
downs without Milton Williams.

Speaker 2 (01:33:24):
That's a fair point.

Speaker 4 (01:33:25):
Yeah, that's something that I pointed out when they traded him,
but it wasn't going to be a big role. It
wasn't like he was going to be starting. But I
guess in theory, yeah, it's a fair email if it's
third and eight, like he could have put ke On
White over the guard and you know, on the spot,
and yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:33:39):
Yeah, because I was initially like that ke On White,
you know. But no, that's a fair email. You lost
a guy that he could have potentially given you a skill.
He could have given you a later of depth that
maybe he's better than Durden or Gregory Bruce.

Speaker 1 (01:33:54):
And Bluffton, South Carolina, originally from North andover on punters
and QB's. He said he once saw Tom Musick accidentally
kicked the ball backwards over his head. I think in
Fenway Park. Back up QB to bay Perilli. Uh. Tom
Musick is the answer to a good trivia question, which

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is name the only player to play professional football and
baseball in Fenway Park.

Speaker 2 (01:34:22):
Let me think about that one.

Speaker 1 (01:34:23):
Wait, what the answer is Tom Uson? He played for
the Detroit Lions for a short stint.

Speaker 5 (01:34:30):
Not Harry aganis.

Speaker 4 (01:34:32):
I do think it's that for the Braves and then
in the same day played again that's pretty cool.

Speaker 5 (01:34:39):
Yeah, it was amazing when like live, Yeah it was.

Speaker 12 (01:34:46):
Time.

Speaker 6 (01:34:46):
Yeah, he played the sports.

Speaker 5 (01:34:48):
You know, he would play baseball and then when baseball
was over he would play football.

Speaker 2 (01:34:52):
But actually I remember that being.

Speaker 5 (01:34:56):
And I don't think the Braves weren't happy with it,
and he ended up not I don't think he'd played
in the game, but he got there. He got to
the game in like the fourth inning.

Speaker 1 (01:35:03):
Who's a better baseball player? Bo or deal? I think yeah,
was an all star amazing place.

Speaker 5 (01:35:12):
I think Dion could have been a really good baseball
player if he focused on Yeah, he was a good
he was, I mean exactly, just an unbelievable athlete.

Speaker 4 (01:35:20):
Yea, I remember him. He could hit, running.

Speaker 5 (01:35:23):
The bases, Yeah, he was a weapon on the base.

Speaker 4 (01:35:26):
Was he fast?

Speaker 1 (01:35:28):
Ben thinks that Drake May is slightly regressing every week.
He's wondering if the deficiencies are starting to wear him down.

Speaker 5 (01:35:37):
Then I have some very small sea concerns, very small
sea concerns with Drake. I think that might be putting
it a little strong that he's regressing every week, because
I think he just played at such a high level
all year. A little worried that the turnovers are starting
to crop up, and for some reason he has he
has friends in the NFL stats crews because they don't

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really record his fumbles. He had another fumble in this
game that they didn't say was a fumble.

Speaker 4 (01:36:02):
And I'm not on the scramble.

Speaker 5 (01:36:04):
Yeah, I'm not talking about the pass that was clearly
a pass that they originally ruled a fumble and then
they overturned it on replay. He fumbled on an early
scramble and he recovered it like ball security is important.

Speaker 4 (01:36:18):
He was excellent against the Jets, So I mean, I know.

Speaker 5 (01:36:20):
That's why I said. I think that's strong saying he's regressed.

Speaker 4 (01:36:23):
Every week, but he was awesome against the Jets.

Speaker 5 (01:36:25):
He was really really good.

Speaker 1 (01:36:27):
And AJ says he feels like Josh McDaniel's play calling
was less effective against the Bengals. He's been good this year.
But shouldn't he know Drake can't run a sneak.

Speaker 4 (01:36:37):
Oh, I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:36:38):
They didn't run a sneak. Everybody be up in arms
like a sneak. You're like one inch line. Like I thought,
Josh did a lot of different things on that goal
line set. They didn't execute him.

Speaker 4 (01:36:47):
I think that The one thing if you wanted to
be small is he concerned about McDaniels, is that we're
getting to the point of the season where it's all
on film, like all the stuff that they have been
doing and all the things that they cooked up in
the lab in the summer time. I'm for Drake may
that's now out there is now all on film, and
I like this aspect of McDaniels, but it is something
that's worth mentioning is that they will repeat plays. Not

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everybody does. They'll dress it up a little bit differently
and they'll get to it a little bit differently. But
you know the Hunter Henry touchdown, for example, they ran
that exact same play the week before, Like you know,
they will do that, and they'll repeat plays within a
game where you know, Drake he loves stick. They'll like
they run stick like ten times a game. Now he

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makes it go because you can hit stick in many ways,
in different ways and whatever the coverage gives you. But
if you want to go there with McDaniels, you know,
let's hope that he's got some things that he's been
holding back that are in his back pocket for when
the games start to get bigger.

Speaker 3 (01:37:49):
And would just point to the run game though, like
just trying to find some kind of consistency. Now that
Ramandra Stevenson's back, you have a rotation going. I mean,
seemed to me like they weren't ready to really throw
him into the fire. They just wanted to pass protection
for the most part in this game. And maybe that
continues through this week and let him get healthy fully.
But that's where I just started, is give give Drake
a little bit of consistency in the run game, you know,

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give him manageable.

Speaker 5 (01:38:13):
He does seem to still be able to get the
tight ends open. But I thought in this game the
receivers didn't do as good a job of yeah, you know,
degraating Jake's got open.

Speaker 4 (01:38:22):
On the third down, Booty was going to catch a
touchdown if that guy didn't drag him down. I mean
that fall that was seen that movie before, right, he
just pulls away late and drops it right in the bucket.
You know, Hollins had had the big play down the sideline,
but and then pop out the big play up up
the shoot. But it wasn't a high volume game for
the receiver.

Speaker 1 (01:38:42):
But he ended up with ninety four.

Speaker 5 (01:38:44):
It was a career high in yards, but getting there,
it didn't was just linebackers.

Speaker 6 (01:38:50):
It wasn't the same.

Speaker 4 (01:38:51):
They had the line, but the Bengals linebackers stink and
they just had the linebackers spin in.

Speaker 1 (01:38:57):
It was Brandon's in Buffalo, back on the hut. What's up, Randy? Randy? Hello, Yeah,
are you embarrassed? Go ahead?

Speaker 13 (01:39:07):
No, No, I'm not embarrassed.

Speaker 1 (01:39:09):
Okay, good?

Speaker 13 (01:39:11):
Yeah, how are you guys doing?

Speaker 1 (01:39:12):
All right? Just calling to say, hey.

Speaker 11 (01:39:17):
How do you guys think if Marcus Bryant was the
left tackle instead of low because he played left tackle
in Missouri?

Speaker 4 (01:39:24):
Right, Yeah, Yeah, it's a it's a good question. It's
something I was thinking about I think yesterday.

Speaker 2 (01:39:30):
Yeah, they want to think about it a little bit.

Speaker 4 (01:39:32):
So at Missouri, armand Membu played right tackle and Marcus
Bryant was their left tackle last year at Missouri. So
he's the left tackle by trade. That's that's his more
natural position.

Speaker 1 (01:39:42):
Now.

Speaker 4 (01:39:42):
His body type and his play style probably fits right
tackle in this system a little bit better than left.
But he's he's played left tackle more than he's played
right tackle.

Speaker 1 (01:39:53):
So, but he's like six seven.

Speaker 5 (01:39:55):
He played, Yeah, he played on the left side of
the s m U two.

Speaker 1 (01:39:58):
So why do you why do you say that his
type is more.

Speaker 4 (01:40:01):
He is a maller, big dude, you know, a big,
good run blocker. You know, usually with McDaniel's, like the
right side, they usually have the the bulldozers on the
right and the more athletic guys on the left. Typically
not always, but you know, you see, like I always
go back to, you know, Solder Toney Andrews Mason Cannon

(01:40:21):
like that. That's sort of the way they want the
line to be built. Ideally, now they you have a
great player on the left side who's a maaller than that.
All the power to you, but you know, that's just
how it's been in the past.

Speaker 1 (01:40:33):
All right, Thanks Randy. How about Nate and Iowa?

Speaker 7 (01:40:38):
Hey Nate, Hey, can you guys hear me?

Speaker 11 (01:40:41):
All right, yeah, yeah, I have a quick question.

Speaker 25 (01:40:44):
So back after the Panthers game, I put five dollars
on Drake made to win MVP win odds are like
plus seventy five hundred, and my plan was to take
the cash out after Drake has a bad couple of games,
because right now I think my cash it's at about
one hundred dollars, but at this point, this late into
the season, do you guys think I should just ride

(01:41:05):
it out until the voting or should I take the cash?

Speaker 10 (01:41:08):
Well?

Speaker 5 (01:41:08):
Can you go over that again? How much did you
put ten bucks? Five bucks to win one hundred? I
would ride it. I would let it ride.

Speaker 4 (01:41:14):
Same.

Speaker 5 (01:41:15):
Yeah, he's got a shot with still dollars.

Speaker 25 (01:41:18):
The payout was to pay five dollars to pay three
eighty five, and right now I have an early cash
out for like one hundred bucks or so.

Speaker 4 (01:41:25):
But I would ride it out because he's got those games. Again,
I would cash out Buffalo and Baltimore.

Speaker 1 (01:41:30):
I think Matthew Stafford uh.

Speaker 6 (01:41:33):
For ninety five bucks.

Speaker 4 (01:41:35):
But if he played well against Buffalo and Baltimore, absolutely
right in it, especially win the Germans bomb Pearl Harbor.

Speaker 1 (01:41:41):
I thought it was the Japanese. Yeah, but don't you
think Matthew Stafford has.

Speaker 6 (01:41:45):
The inside track?

Speaker 2 (01:41:47):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (01:41:47):
I do.

Speaker 25 (01:41:48):
Yeah, a lot more to work. Follow up question about
that kind of because I think Matthew Stafford is number
one in odds right now, and I mean he's playing
lights out, so I don't know if it was worth it.
Just take the cash out, just ride it till the end.

Speaker 4 (01:42:01):
I also feel like with MVP all these awards, like
you kind of have to have an MVP season before
you get the MVP. Like in a lot of cases,
it's like kind of like proof of concept. And Stafford's
been so good.

Speaker 1 (01:42:13):
I would take the cash out and find another prop bet.
Well that's what I said.

Speaker 3 (01:42:16):
Take the cash out, take half of it, put on
Matthew Stafford.

Speaker 1 (01:42:19):
Oh there, but you're not gonna get good.

Speaker 7 (01:42:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:42:22):
Now, I'd ride it out, find another different type of bet.

Speaker 5 (01:42:25):
Cash it out, and put it on the Patriots to
go to the super Bowl.

Speaker 4 (01:42:28):
Like if he goes if he goes to the five
hundred to one, I have no idea if he goes
to Baltimore and I maybe they flex that game into
like a four to twenty five window or something like that,
and he goes to Baltimore and he foes through three
hundred and three touchdowns and beats the Ravens, Like they're
gonna the MVP thing. That's gonna have to it's gonna
start right back up, like especially if they win those

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games without Campbell and without Moses And you're.

Speaker 1 (01:42:51):
Right, you're right, thanks Nate Bill's and Vancouver. If I
can hit the button there, you what's up, Bill, I.

Speaker 24 (01:43:02):
First time caller, a long time listener. I'm curious the
knee braces that offensive linemen wear in college and then
they get to the pros and immediately ditch them. Wouldn't
you think that the type of hit that Will Campbell
took would have been prevented by that knee break.

Speaker 5 (01:43:22):
I don't know, there's no way to know for sure
it could have been. I it's funny that when Mike
brought that up, I hadn't really. I always kind of
think of all the offensive linemen, all were knee braces
in me too.

Speaker 1 (01:43:33):
Yeah, that's why I thought this is weird taking them
off now.

Speaker 4 (01:43:36):
It's uh, you know, you're not encumbered. Yeah, the speed ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (01:43:41):
I mean, it looks like ten years are just going
to be played in shorts and helmets.

Speaker 5 (01:43:45):
Well, in college they basically play You ever see the
pants in college?

Speaker 1 (01:43:50):
Yeah, yep, like capri pants.

Speaker 4 (01:43:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:43:53):
I don't care for it.

Speaker 4 (01:43:54):
I'm not a doctor, but I don't think that this
particular one because it came from the side.

Speaker 5 (01:44:00):
But if it comes from the side and you have
the brace on, isn't that where the medal is to
prevent the knee from that's the whole.

Speaker 4 (01:44:06):
The brace is supposed to It's like, you know, if
you're betting your knee, like it's supposed to help your knee.
Like this was a side collision.

Speaker 1 (01:44:13):
I thought it was supposed to knee from going side
to side.

Speaker 5 (01:44:16):
That's what I thought.

Speaker 10 (01:44:17):
I was.

Speaker 5 (01:44:17):
Yeah, again, I don't know. I've never played offensive line yet.

Speaker 1 (01:44:20):
I don't know. It's a brace. It braces you well well.

Speaker 7 (01:44:25):
But.

Speaker 6 (01:44:27):
Does it brace it from going forward or to the side.

Speaker 1 (01:44:30):
That's that's where the medal is forward you have to run.

Speaker 4 (01:44:33):
I just know that the guy came from the backside
and was pursuing the ball and hit him.

Speaker 2 (01:44:37):
And since guy probably a good chance.

Speaker 3 (01:44:40):
Well, Kimbell will have a brace on if when he
comes back this year. But I always also think of Brady.
I mean, Brady never wore a brace to low eight
towards a c L brace on that leg rest of
his career.

Speaker 4 (01:44:49):
I do agree that the plant leg the for like
the leg that the quarterback puts forward, it would be
smart to wear a brace on that leg.

Speaker 1 (01:44:56):
Yeah. William Wright sin he was says, I was taking
a look at super odds for teams and it hit
me the NFL scriptwriters have the perfect opportunity. Rams versus
Patriots two point zero. The Greatest Show on Turf had
one of the best offenses in the league. The Rams
currently have the MVP front runner in Stafford at thirty
to two at thirty touchdowns, two interceptions. Patriots are on

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their second year of their starting quarterback. They have an
opportunity here to have Brady call the game and relive
an amazing Hall of Fame career throughout all the lead
up to the big day.

Speaker 4 (01:45:31):
It's not on Fox, so it won't be Brady.

Speaker 5 (01:45:33):
It would actually be Patriots Rams three point zero. They've
already played twice in the Troubles.

Speaker 4 (01:45:39):
Some people are so young, Paul that they don't even
remember that they played them.

Speaker 1 (01:45:43):
I thought the super Bowl was on Fox.

Speaker 4 (01:45:45):
It was on Fox last year.

Speaker 1 (01:45:46):
Well last year it was I don't know what I know.
That's ye right, I think it's back to see.

Speaker 5 (01:45:50):
But I think he was actually referencing this would be
like the second time. I don't think the Rams have
the kind of offense right now that you're talking about.

Speaker 6 (01:45:57):
With the Greatest Show on Turf.

Speaker 4 (01:45:59):
No, the super Bowl is on NBC.

Speaker 1 (01:46:04):
Universal and.

Speaker 3 (01:46:06):
No Tom Brady, But would would that be weird though,
if Tom Brady is if the game's on Fox and
the Patriots make the Super Bowl, is there any kind
of you know, attempt by the league to say we
shouldn't have Tom do that or is that interesting?

Speaker 4 (01:46:17):
I mean because bias.

Speaker 2 (01:46:19):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:46:20):
I think people would watch to see if he wouldn't
have any announces any of these games. J J watch
just announced t J Watts touchdown.

Speaker 4 (01:46:28):
What now, I mean, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:46:30):
I mean, you don't think people would be like great
to watch the Patriots and here Tom Brady, the whole
game won't happened.

Speaker 1 (01:46:35):
I think people would hate watching.

Speaker 4 (01:46:38):
They'll love me wat I mean, Akeman calls Cowboys games
all the time.

Speaker 5 (01:46:42):
That's what I meant by like, I know it happens
on every game. Yeah, like doing Panthers games like I mean, everybody,
all these guys are former players and they.

Speaker 1 (01:46:51):
Played for teams and the Panthers could make it.

Speaker 5 (01:46:53):
You know, I'm just saying any game you'll get any
other game that happens.

Speaker 3 (01:46:58):
Well, more people, more people, more chance to more. You know,
you're putting more out in front of what.

Speaker 5 (01:47:03):
I just be offended having to listen to Tom Brady
do the game.

Speaker 1 (01:47:06):
You know, what can I say? Real quick?

Speaker 3 (01:47:07):
I said something I caught some of him, and I
have to be honest. I found him unlistenable early on,
but I think he's gotten better, Like I found it
a little bit more leaning into what do you see Tom?

Speaker 2 (01:47:16):
What is your you know?

Speaker 3 (01:47:17):
In the less it's just awkward silences and trying to
be like, I think he's he's he's better. I mean,
not surprising given how hard that guy works, but I
just I gotta give him credit.

Speaker 1 (01:47:27):
I thought he was better. Everyone sucks but me, well,
you know, kind of the question that I think will
be asked after the season is less about his uh,
you know, his broadcast work. It's more his work at
the Raiders. How much of that team is his responsibility?

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So some people say it a lot, Well, some people
are saying that, I don't know if it's true.

Speaker 4 (01:47:51):
I mean, if it's a lot, then the yikes.

Speaker 1 (01:47:54):
I don't know if he's just there in a titular
sense or if he's actually making big decisions.

Speaker 4 (01:47:59):
If he's making decisions, I think we learned that Tom
Brady the executive is not the coat.

Speaker 5 (01:48:04):
Right at least John Elway was successful initially before he
lost it.

Speaker 1 (01:48:10):
Nick says, damn you, Fred, He's from Maine. I want
to start by saying Fred is wrong about Permante's brothers.
Those sandwiches are absolutely killer, and I won't tolerate the
slander outside of horrible sandwich takes. I saw meme and
I thought it would be a fun game to pitch
to the crew if you had to pick three players
from the dynasty to currently join you at the Thanksgiving table.

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Who would you choose three people from the dynasty to
join you at Thanksgiving?

Speaker 4 (01:48:40):
Brady, Gronk, Edelman.

Speaker 1 (01:48:42):
I don't know about Brady and Edelman.

Speaker 4 (01:48:43):
I don't know about those two, and they wouldn't be
the most fun, But it's just that's that to me?

Speaker 1 (01:48:49):
Is Brady's you?

Speaker 2 (01:48:50):
Turkey Tom? What do you want?

Speaker 1 (01:48:53):
Uh? I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:48:55):
Let me think about that for a second.

Speaker 4 (01:48:56):
You're going for fun, like honestly, the rable would be.

Speaker 5 (01:49:00):
I wouldn't mind. Would be a lot of fun. He'd
take rocket shots at everybody and you're really gonna eat that?
Hunh Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:49:06):
I mean he'd be dumping all over you the whole meal.

Speaker 4 (01:49:09):
Thanks for talking about the injuries.

Speaker 5 (01:49:10):
He'd be he'd be funny. Rabel would be funny.

Speaker 4 (01:49:14):
I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:49:14):
It seems like you'd be pretty intense about the whole situation,
you know, he does certainly, Hey, anybody be fine with me.

Speaker 1 (01:49:21):
Anybody would be fine.

Speaker 2 (01:49:22):
What did Brady do?

Speaker 6 (01:49:24):
He seemed to be alluding to a slip of the
tongue that I'm not.

Speaker 1 (01:49:26):
Oh yeah, he kind of used the N word, but
he really didn't. He meant no, he meant this. He
was saying it was supposed to be Dickerson, and he
kind of he said Nickerson, but he he stopped it
because he's started he said nicker I thought, and then
he stopped. He goes, oh, sorry about that.

Speaker 5 (01:49:46):
Oh okay, that's that's yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:49:50):
Crisis first.

Speaker 5 (01:49:51):
Yeah, but like there's a difference if you like I thought,
maybe he got caught in a hot mic or something. Yeah,
like that's just miss you know, you just mispronounce a
word or whatever, the like, that's like he didn't mean
to say that. Well, Mike, that's great.

Speaker 4 (01:50:08):
Yeah, wonder.

Speaker 5 (01:50:11):
Curtison and I had to him out that night. Yeah,
Like he was so depressed he wouldn't answer our text.
Final we just went and grabbed him and dragged him
out with us. The combine Curtis and Saint Louis.

Speaker 1 (01:50:21):
He says Evan, Yes, I'm totally with you when it
comes to the playoffs. I'd much rather play the Broncos
in Denver than play the Chiefs. I understand they have
a great defense. I understand the elevation in Denver's insane.
But I have more confidence in the Patriots offense putting
up enough points against Denver's defense than I do stopping
Patrick Mahomes and outscoring the Chiefs. Bo Nix is a

(01:50:43):
bum casey held indeed to under eighteen total yards and
zero points in the fourth OT bottom line. I don't
care about the fourth and the OT bottom line. I
don't care about the Chiefs record or how it looks
right now. All they have to do is make it
in the experience of the team at its core of
the offense, defense and the coaching staff have been there

(01:51:04):
year after year. That's more intimidating than anything bo Nicks
and Sean Payton have to offer.

Speaker 4 (01:51:10):
Yeah, Brady email, I.

Speaker 5 (01:51:12):
Can't argue with anything of that email. I mean, I
just I just disagree. I'd rather play Kansas City in
Foxboro than Denver and Denver if it's the same Denver
and Denver, Kansas City and Kansas City. I'll take Denver, Yeah,
I guess I'll take the home game on Kansas City
that a road game in Denver.

Speaker 4 (01:51:29):
I guess if those are my only two options, I
don't know. I like I look at it just as
Denver on its own in terms of like would I
be that. I still think the Patriots have a very
good chance of beating Denver, whether it's here or there.
But Kansas City the great quarterbacks worry me. I you know,
if they face the guy that because I think the

(01:51:49):
way to beat this Patriots team is to throw the
ball forty five times. That's how I think you win.
I think if you're if you're capable of having a
really big, you know, passing performance against them, I think
that you're going to be They're going to be in trouble.

Speaker 1 (01:52:05):
I mean, if you have a big passing performance against anybody,
you will do well. Right.

Speaker 4 (01:52:09):
Yeah, But I'm just saying, like, I think that's their
weakness defensively is if I know what Evan's saying, livebackers
in safeties in the middle of the field, you know,
passing the football. I don't. I think their pass rush
is an average you know, like.

Speaker 1 (01:52:23):
Why because they played Nickel too much?

Speaker 5 (01:52:25):
Right, It's one of the reasons why I'm not overly
concerned with what the amount of running yards that Chase
Brown had this week, because while those yards are that's
times they're not completing passes. I think Evan's right. I
think the way to beat the Patriots is to make
plays in the passing game.

Speaker 1 (01:52:40):
Chase writes in Evan mentioned for Jenga blocks being Diggs, Williams, Campbell,
and Gonzo. Would you agree that Marcus Jones might be
number five? I honestly questioned him being a captain at
the beginning of the year, and wow, has he proven
me wrong. Yeah, he's played really well.

Speaker 2 (01:52:55):
I think.

Speaker 3 (01:52:56):
I think just the thing I've accepted with Marcus Jones
is that he's going to be a a target for
a lot of teams. Like it's just you can see
it every game, trying to get I mean, when Kasiki
got on Marcus Jones, he's like got the you know,
the arm up. So you know, he makes his fair
share of plays. But you know the other one was
crazy catch. I forget which guy was over it, Tinsley

(01:53:16):
had over him. You know, like it's That's just a
matter of if you choose to play him in the
slot and you play them a lot, like those are
gonna be plays that you might give up from time
to time, but he makes up for it with punt
returns and that kind of stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:53:27):
So it's dime to play more dime Gretchen in the
Saqua Washington, she said the difference between Tom and other
former players is his ownership interest.

Speaker 1 (01:53:38):
He has a direct financial benefit with the Raiders. Former
players do not. They have personal interests.

Speaker 5 (01:53:44):
Yeah, I mean that's I agree with that.

Speaker 3 (01:53:46):
I mean, I that'd be more of an issue if
it was the Raiders in the Super Bowl, I think
than just we're talking about the Patriots general annoyance for
everybody that they got a whole lot of Patriots coming
at them for the whole Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 (01:53:56):
Norie from Arizona. On handwritten notes, Evan really wants to
give a handwritten note to his ex and o's idol,
Dan Rolofsky. The note will state how he'd like to
audition for an ESPN NFL live his dream job to
work alongside his crush. Meta times.

Speaker 4 (01:54:13):
Wow, those are a lot of words.

Speaker 6 (01:54:16):
None of which were necessarily false.

Speaker 4 (01:54:19):
I would say Dan Orlovsky and I have a complicated relationship,
so no, we you know we we we like to
share in the love of football in All twenty two.
But his comments in the past about Drake May, you know, really.

Speaker 6 (01:54:38):
Just can't overlook him for Fred.

Speaker 4 (01:54:40):
Yeah, there the receipts live on. You know, if it
was up to Dani Orlovsky, Drake May would still be
on the bench right now as he's putting together an
MVP season on a ten and two team. So you know,
I just I love you, Dan, Sorry, can't help it.

Speaker 1 (01:54:55):
Mike chat in Atlanta, I know it sucks that the
universe decided to take away some of our most important players,
but surprisingly, I'm not worried. I've just been so impressed
by Mike Rabel and his staff. I know the knee
jerk reaction from everyone is going to be to talk
about how bad for Darien Lowe is, but let's have
some faith in Doug Moron. Low and Brown came into
the game on Sunday and I feel like they didn't

(01:55:17):
miss a beat. There's a night and date difference between
the coaching from last year and this year. I feel
like that's what's going to save the season. That's what
I'm banking onto, you said, and save.

Speaker 4 (01:55:29):
The season as such a like like I don't know.
I mean the season is right like they're already going
to the playoffs. I just need those guys back. If
you're gonna make noise in the playoffs, you're gonna need
Campbell and Williams back.

Speaker 1 (01:55:45):
CP right, sin Us fans are quote angry at barely
beating one of the worst teams in the league because
we may have the quarterback and some solid young players,
but they're also going to lose Digs in some key
veteran and soon. The front office got lucky with Diggs
because their first option has been a non factor in

(01:56:05):
injury prone Chris Godwin and their draft pick, and Kyle
Williams has shown essentially nothing. Not saying that I agree
with this, but I do see how this could be
the best team. The best this team has player wise
and schedule wise. The Bills, Chiefs and Ravens have had
off years, and we're not expecting that next year. This
is the year to really compete for champions So he's

(01:56:28):
saying this is it do or die.

Speaker 6 (01:56:30):
I don't think it's do or die.

Speaker 5 (01:56:31):
I think this is a building process, and I think
this is the way you've won more games than not.
And I think suddenly this game seemed to really resonate
with everybody, like how are we beating these bad teams
only like this? And no one seemed to say this
after the Atlanta game, And no one seemed to say
this after the Miami game, and no one seemed to
say this after the Tampa game, Like these teams are

(01:56:52):
not that good that they're playing and more often than
like New Orleans, New Orleans is one of the worst
teams in football. They had the ball with a chance
to win the game in the last two minutes. No
one was up in arms that day. Is it just
because the goalpost it moved that much? So today it's
it's that that's an honest question.

Speaker 4 (01:57:08):
I think they want them to be on an upward
trajectory going into the playoffs, because, like we were talking
about earlier, more times than not, it's the teams that
peak in December and January. It's not the team that
flips the switch. And I think, you know not to
do that whole thing. But the concern is probably that
they peaked too early, right, And I.

Speaker 6 (01:57:25):
Just don't know as much different They're playing.

Speaker 3 (01:57:29):
Everything they possibly could out of what they had, and
then once those top line guys that they brought in
started getting hurt, now it's I.

Speaker 5 (01:57:37):
Thought they played better against the Jets on the Thursday
night game than they did Sunday in Cincinnati, but not
by a lot, not not, I mean not a huge
difference to me, and they both wretchedly bad teams.

Speaker 4 (01:57:48):
I thought they played much better defense in Cincinnati.

Speaker 6 (01:57:50):
I agree.

Speaker 5 (01:57:52):
I totally agree.

Speaker 4 (01:57:53):
Cat ball's going through their hands and couldn't catch the passes.

Speaker 1 (01:57:57):
One more emails from Barton Poland. If I see another
tweet or post or anything saying that it's Elliott Wool's
fault that he didn't add any offensive line help at
the deadline, I'm going to lose my mind. Anyone thinking
a team would trade away a quality O line depth
has absolutely no understanding of how the NFL works. The
only linemen who are realistically available were guys like Trevor Penning,

(01:58:18):
who absolutely sucks. The O line depth in the league
is bad for every single team, so nobody is getting
rid of anyone that is remotely capable of playing the position.

Speaker 3 (01:58:29):
So there, right, you know, they they hung on to
Vederian Lowe. I mean he was hurt all summer. I
mean he didn't come back into what like mid August
was and he finally even started practicing. So I think
they continue. Elliot Will said, we've always thought he has
good feet.

Speaker 2 (01:58:44):
We've seen something there. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:58:46):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:58:46):
We'll see how it all comes together with the new
coaching staff.

Speaker 1 (01:58:48):
And again, like he was on the injury portal lot
last year, I'm.

Speaker 3 (01:58:51):
Not giving him an excuse, but let's see what this
guy who's rest lines up.

Speaker 1 (01:58:54):
Right.

Speaker 4 (01:58:55):
I given him a I give them like Josh, well,
he'll have chips, they'll they'll have help on that side,
Like they're not going to leave him on an island
to go up against Brian Burns on Monday night. And
I give Josh McDaniels more of that. Like, I think
he's better at that than just about anybody in terms
of understanding where the weaknesses are potentially are and using

(01:59:18):
things to help to that spot. I don't think that
he's going to be last year's coaching staff would just
kind of put those guys out.

Speaker 1 (01:59:25):
For the best. Yeah, all right, we are done, but
we're back tomorrow. The day before Thanksgiving. No show on Thanksgiving.
We'll take the day off, but we will be here
tomorrow regular time. Catch twenty two tomorrow at ten. Yes,
Barth is available. He's available because this is this is
where he makes his money.

Speaker 6 (01:59:45):
It's a good point he's doing the afternoon.

Speaker 4 (01:59:48):
Okay, I was interested in if he was going to
text me and.

Speaker 1 (01:59:50):
So Catch twenty ten tomorrow, we'll be at noon. We'll
see you then. Hey, this is Alex.

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