Patriots Unfiltered 11/4: Full Falcons Breakdown, Necessary Improvements, Trade Deadline Day

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zone last week.

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one though he's like, okay, Joe and Michigan. Denver has
nine home games this year and eight on the road.
It's actually less.

Speaker 9 (00:56):
On the road. I don't see any reason why they
should be twenty eight than scoring. It's bothered me all week.

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Speaker 7 (01:35):
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Speaker 3 (01:59):
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Speaker 7 (02:00):
Matt Alex in the booth talking Patriots. The deadline for
the trades today at four o'clock.

Speaker 5 (02:07):
The deadline for the trades, Yes, today at four o'clock.

Speaker 7 (02:10):
Right, a little breaking news, minor news of Patriots signed.
Reportedly Jerry Rice's son, Brendan Rice, wide receiver.

Speaker 3 (02:22):
Yeah, we talked a practice squad, senior bull guy.

Speaker 9 (02:27):
He might end of the senior Bowl. We kicked his
name around during that draft, but has not had a
great NFL career, hasn't done much of anything.

Speaker 3 (02:35):
Twelve touchdowns with USC, is that right?

Speaker 9 (02:38):
Yeah? Yeah, there's a good college player. Yeah, seeming to
be an outside speed any speed, No more like a
contested catch, big body of his favorite.

Speaker 7 (02:48):
So not something we should be like, Oh okay, he
could help out while Booty's at the hamstring.

Speaker 3 (02:54):
No, okay, all right, So I don't even.

Speaker 9 (02:57):
Know if he's going to be signed to the act.

Speaker 7 (02:58):
Of roster as anyone heard anything, any reports Diane Rossini,
Albert Breer, Yeah, well, Ben Vohlan, anybody.

Speaker 3 (03:06):
Shakobe Myers on the move where Jacksonville? I mean as
related to us.

Speaker 4 (03:11):
I mean, that's as closest we're getting. That's as close
as we're getting, I think right now, at least, I think.

Speaker 9 (03:16):
This might be the most overrated day in the NFL calendar.
Oh yeah, And I don't I blame us, like if
stop it, I blame us. I do because like we
have like trade deadline specials and countdowns and this and
that and the other thing. It's like, this is not
this is not the NBA. Like you're not like Luka

(03:38):
Dancic of the NFL is not getting traded today. Like
you know, Jacoby Myers might be the biggest name that
gets traded today. Yeah, he honestly might. And that's not
a knock on Jacoby. It's just you hear some of
these names, you know, Miles Garrett, Trey Hendrickson, Uh, you know,
Jalen Waddle, like these none of these guys are going
to get traded.

Speaker 3 (03:56):
Yeah, probably not to see the maybe hendricks line. I
mean like if you're the Bengals.

Speaker 1 (04:02):
Yeah, well they're already unloaded.

Speaker 3 (04:03):
You're going to lose them and you're gonna get nothing.

Speaker 9 (04:06):
I understand. I just every year we do this with
the trade deadline, and every year it's depth pieces Keon
White's and Kyle Duggers and those types of players, And
you're not okay with that? What do you mean?

Speaker 3 (04:21):
Like does that bother you?

Speaker 9 (04:23):
Does it bothers me? How much attention it gets?

Speaker 3 (04:26):
Okay?

Speaker 7 (04:28):
You don't like wish it was, Like I wish we
were in the mix and trying to get a.

Speaker 1 (04:32):
Bunch of.

Speaker 9 (04:35):
Like we're we're talking about like a third pass rusher,
a third running back, you know, maybe depth that linebacker
like those are the spots that that are getting moved
right now, not front line players that are going to
help the Patriots win a Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 (04:51):
It's quite kind of like.

Speaker 4 (04:52):
The NHL because it's built in that some star players
will move and you just accept it.

Speaker 1 (04:59):
Like the sports.

Speaker 5 (05:02):
Different. I know, you don't know what you would know
about basketball if Evan drew you a diagram.

Speaker 9 (05:09):
He doesn't know if it's blown up or stuff.

Speaker 5 (05:10):
But baseball, hockey, and basketball, the trade deadlines involve like
impact moves for all three sports that will potentially lead
to championships. And I kind of agree with Evan. I
don't really think the NFL has that You'll get a
lot of moves. You know, we probably should mention Jalen

(05:31):
Phillips also moved over the weekend as a guy who
I think Patriots fans sort of wondered about edge rusher
for Miami. He went to Philadelphia for that. That might
be the highest impact move a team that is going
to be in the playoffs in Philadelphia that was looking
for edge help, But you're not going to get Like

(05:56):
you look at some of the moves that like the
Blue Jays made that propelled them to the World Series. Yeah,
like I don't think Jalen Phillips is going to be
the difference between the Eagles going to the Super Bowl
or not.

Speaker 7 (06:05):
Do you think part of team's reluctance from for doing
UH deals with high end players in the middle of
the season is like fan perception, Like, you know, if
we if we're the Bengals and we trade Hendrickson, our
fans are gonna be like, you've given up? Why should
we you know, be behind you. Do you think there's
any of that?

Speaker 9 (06:26):
Like, I think you're gonna be more fans maybe, But
I think it's more about in football, it's much harder
to get a player onboarded than it is in other sports.
Like so, when you sign a player in free agency
or you trade for a player in the offseason, you
have OTAs mini camp, training camp, preseason, you have this

(06:47):
whole build up of how to get that player integrated
into your system, integrated into your scheme, UH, that sort
of thing. Whereas when you trade for a guy at
the deadline, UH, they are basically going to get a
crash core on your offense or your defense and you're
going to get thrown in there. So I think there's
more reluctance to move.

Speaker 7 (07:06):
And I could see that if they just a rental
for the year, but if if you have intention of
resigning him and making him a long term part of
your team, I mean, you know, who have you to
do it.

Speaker 5 (07:18):
I think that high end players in general, teams want
to hold onto them, like, not necessarily because of the
message it sends. Like if you're Cincinnati, so so what's.

Speaker 3 (07:29):
The difference now?

Speaker 7 (07:30):
You know, so I get him now and yeah, he's
not up to speed, but now I have the whole
offseason with him.

Speaker 5 (07:36):
Oh no, I understand your point about acquiring him. So
I'm talking about the team that deals them. You said
you think teams don't do that because the message that
it might send. I think teams don't do that because
they want to keep their high end players. Like if
you're Cincinnati, Okay, they're probably out of it at three
and six. But do you just roll the dice that maybe,

(07:57):
you know, we can finish strong and maybe we can
convince him to resign, and if he doesn't, you probably
he signs a big money deal elsewhere. If it's like
twenty million. You know, you get a third round compensatory pick.
Yeah for holding on to him, Now, you have to
you have to wait a year to get that pick.
But you might look at it and say, is that
worth the risk of me? I want to keep this guy.

(08:20):
I don't want to trade him willingly. I want to
try to resign him again.

Speaker 3 (08:24):
If that's the intention.

Speaker 5 (08:25):
I don't know that the Bengals will do that. They
had all off season to resign and he wanted a
new deal and they didn't do it. So I'm not
telling you that's going to happen. But if I were
a team, that's how I would go about it. I
just have a lot of good players as long as
I could.

Speaker 3 (08:38):
Yeah, I guess if you think that there's hope, why
not hold on?

Speaker 9 (08:42):
Well, you just have a lot more flexibility in the
off season. Like I don't know if Trey Hendrickson in
this renegotiation, he might have negotiated that he can't get
tagged at the end of the year. I don't know
if he did or didn't. But you know, you have
things like franchise tags. You have, you know, more power
I think over the thin you did over the player
in those situations, and if you're the team like the Bengals,

(09:04):
you know, to further Paul's point, like Joe Burrow is
going to be back next year, and then they're right
back in contention immediately as soon as he steps back
on the field.

Speaker 7 (09:13):
But I think the Bengals have indicated they would entertain
a first round pick form.

Speaker 10 (09:18):
Right if you get blown away by an offer, you know,
but because they wouldn't pay him that money, you know,
like they don't want to pay him an extensive salary,
but they'll take a first round pick for him, right, Like,
it's just the disparities the player being like, you're kind
of holding me hostage, saying, well, we're not going to
pay you that much, but if somebody wants de else
wants to do it, we'll let that.

Speaker 5 (09:36):
And I meant more like I used Hendrickson just as
an example because he's up, but I mean in general,
like I think Miami would have to be blown away
to trade Jalen Waddle. Miami wants to keep guys like
Jalen Waddle, you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (09:49):
You know, it's hard for a team like the Patriots
to thread the needle of a player who's maybe still
in a rookie deal and you know, has a couple
maybe has a year left and is in a position
that you really need and you're going to bring him
in and he's going to love it here, and you know,
it's more the case of like probably what's gonna happen
with Kobe Myers and Jacksonville, that you'll bring him in.
You hope that he likes Trevor Lawrence and that he

(10:09):
likes the area, and then he's willing to you know,
stick around.

Speaker 11 (10:13):
YEP.

Speaker 9 (10:13):
I just think it's a difference of in sports, Like
in all these other leagues, rentals are very popular, Like
going and trading for a guy for the rest of
this season is very popular in football, Uh, they don't
view it that way.

Speaker 3 (10:27):
Well, it's nine games or eight games, right, So if.

Speaker 9 (10:30):
You're trading for rental as a team like the Patriots,
like let's use Trey Hendrickson. If they trade a first
round pick for Trey Hendrickson, you're really only trading a
first round pick for nine games or eight games of
Trey Hendrickson. You're not trading for any future term on
the contract. So like you have to look at it
from that standpoint too, of a business standpoint, you know,

(10:52):
is this really worth it to go all in on
this season on this player, unless yeah.

Speaker 5 (10:59):
If you were going to make that deal, right, you'd
have to say, I need permission to speak to representatives,
and we need to get the perimeters of a deal.
He said, you're not going to trade a for I
agree with a thousands.

Speaker 7 (11:09):
All right, So if anything breaks with trade the deadline
for the trades, well we'll certainly let you know. And
so of course, you know, stay tuned the Patriots dot
com for any breaking news.

Speaker 5 (11:20):
Jalen Phillips went for a third to the Eagles. Would
you have been willing to give a third for who?
Jalen Phillips.

Speaker 6 (11:27):
Yeah, Mike would have too. I'm going to guess Evan
would say no.

Speaker 5 (11:32):
I'm trying to think about one of the rare times.

Speaker 9 (11:36):
What draft was he twenty two?

Speaker 5 (11:38):
He's up? Yeah, he's playing right now, one fifty er options. Okay,
so it'll be a rental.

Speaker 9 (11:44):
No, but because of the rental aspect, like not because
of the of the draft compensation. I just I guess
I just don't really feel like they're in a position
yet to be buying rentals and.

Speaker 3 (11:56):
Trading future draft picks.

Speaker 9 (11:58):
Yeah, I guess.

Speaker 5 (11:59):
So, Yeah, I would agree with that terminology. I would
have done the move because I don't think the third
round pick is out of the you know, I don't
think it's too extravagant. But I mean, I understand Evan's point.
I guess one of the things. And everybody has different
opinions on this. I've heard a lot of this sort

(12:19):
of you know, this super like cerebral Oh. And I'm
not suggesting that Evan's doing this, because Evan's open to
all of these moves, and we've talked to the last
three weeks, and Evan has been in on a lot
of different guys. But there have been some of our
colleagues that are, like, the Patriots aren't in that spot yet,
Like don't derail like suddenly trading a third or a

(12:42):
fourth round pick derails the whole process that Mike Rabels
and Ryan Cowden are trying to do. You know, you
might get Kyle Williams, And I would just say, wow,
that seemed like an unnecessary shot coming out just.

Speaker 3 (12:56):
Saying that the third round can be real good players.

Speaker 5 (13:00):
Now we can argue back the other way that that's
another Kyle Williams, but I'm not gonna know that argument.

Speaker 1 (13:05):
It can be a crapshoot.

Speaker 5 (13:06):
So I would just say like, why are we looking
at it as they're not a player away? I would
agree they're in my you know, in my mind's eye.
I watched the team, I watched the I look at
the roster. I don't think they're a player away from
winning the super Bowl. But I absolutely would have said
the same thing about the two thousand and one Patriots
heading into that playoffs. They're not gonna beat not gonna

(13:28):
beat Pittsburgh and Pittsburgh, They're not gonna beat the Rams
in the super Bowl. And then all of a sudden,
you do, do you give that super Bowl back? Because
you've really won a super Bowl caliber team. You know,
it's a wide open race in the NFL in general,
you have tied for the best record in the league.
If you could make a move that could help you,
I think you should be interested in that. I'm not

(13:49):
telling you that the Patriots are going to screw this
up and they're going to breslow the trade deadline and
not do anything. I'm not I'm not saying that. I'm
just saying like I would. I've heard a lot of
people sort of say the Patriot shouldn't be interested in
that guy. You know, just you know, you know, maybe
like a backup secondary running back for a sixth throw,
seventh round pick. You have all these sixth round picks.

(14:11):
That seems to be the threshold that everybody has. And
I've heard a lot of people saying this, and I
don't understand why you wouldn't be interested in taking a run.
And I've heard a lot of the cautionary tale. And
again I'm not looking to go down the road. So
the cautionary tale of the Washington commanders. What did the
commanders do wrong? They got hurt, but I'm not even

(14:32):
saying that. A lot of people, you h and I included,
thought that they were going to take a step back
natural progression.

Speaker 1 (14:40):
So what did they do?

Speaker 5 (14:41):
Like, they didn't. They didn't bugage anything.

Speaker 3 (14:43):
Right, I'd still do what they did to get whatever
they did, But they did they.

Speaker 11 (14:49):
Go all in.

Speaker 9 (14:50):
They traded for Marshall Latimore at the deadline last year,
I know, but like what did they trade for him?

Speaker 1 (14:54):
I don't remember exactly was that that hurting them?

Speaker 9 (14:57):
This year?

Speaker 7 (14:58):
He played well and whatever they gave up.

Speaker 9 (15:02):
In an age.

Speaker 5 (15:03):
That's my point is they didn't mortgage the future to
make some moves, and they went to the NFC Championship game.
What if they had won the NFC Championship Game and
won a Super Bowl, that just as easily could have happened. Like,
I just don't think like the Cautionary Tale of the
Commanders says what you think it says. I think the
cautionary tail is they weren't that good. You're probably not either,

(15:29):
So why not strike while the iron's heart. You're playing
really well, You're gonna win a bunch more games coming
down the stretch because you're playing teams that you're better than.

Speaker 1 (15:39):
Take a run.

Speaker 9 (15:41):
I'm just not a big fan of Jalen Phillips. Like
that was more. I didn't use any individuals, but I
just to me, I think there's a big term is
a big factor. Like if you're trading for a true rental,
I'm not that interested in giving up a top one
hundred pick for a true rental. If you're trading for
a player that has term on his contract, you know,

(16:03):
Jalen Wattle is under contract. So if they end up trading,
make a huge splash and trade for Jalen Wattle, like
that is going to be for the next two three
years that you're going to have Jayleen Wattle on this team,
which is would be a good move. But if you're
just if you're trading a top one hundred pick for
a player that's going to be up at the end
of the year and is going to get hit free agency,

(16:25):
I I just don't know if that's the best series
of that.

Speaker 5 (16:28):
You know, And that's see that to me is a
balanced discussion of it, not like no, I'm not doing
it because we're not there yet, which is what I'm hearing.

Speaker 4 (16:36):
A lot of, Yeah, well, what if it's not a
hugely impactful player, but it's a solid depth piece, and.

Speaker 3 (16:42):
What are you given up the need? Absolutely you should
do it if if they kind of stuff, that's.

Speaker 5 (16:47):
That's the only thing that any of the writers are
interested in. Yeah, and I'm painting with a broad brush.
I'm sure that not everybody say, but I've heard a
lot of our colleagues they're talking like that, like no, no, no,
the Patriot shouldn't be interested in in in Jalen Phillips
or uh, you know like this. You know these kinds
of guys that are you know, these big names that

(17:09):
that are being U sort of I don't even know
if they're available, like Jalen waddle like Patriot shouldn't. Well,
that whole.

Speaker 1 (17:18):
Thing is often you know, prefaced with they feel like
they're ahead of schedule.

Speaker 4 (17:22):
This is year one. You know, they want to continue
to build it their way. They don't want to give
up assets, like you know, do you I mean, but no,
And that's I mean and I'm not. I'm just bringing
up as I think it's an interesting way to look
at it. Of Like, I get your point, Paul. We
talked about all the time. If you never know the
year where a couple of people upset in the playoffs
and you've actually got a real chance to go. But

(17:43):
at the same time, you know, are you going to
be able to thread the needle and get a guy
that can maybe stick around, or are you that wouldn't.

Speaker 5 (17:51):
Give anything suggesting that they should be like giving away
all their first and second round picks, Like I'm not.
I'm not saying that I'm just spots next year. That's
You're just saying have an open mind and assess where
you might be. I just look at the landscape of
the league. I think there were a lot of good
teams in the league. I think the Eagles are good,

(18:11):
I think the Lions are good. I think the Chiefs
and the Bills are good. But I don't think anybody's
great this year now, and anyone's great.

Speaker 7 (18:18):
If you can pick up somebody who can be part
of that building process and you you know, and you
think that the player is good, yeah you should look
into it.

Speaker 1 (18:30):
Absolutely.

Speaker 7 (18:31):
I don't like the whole rental idea either, if it's
everything anything more than a fourth round pick or whatever.
But if it's the first or second round pick, it's
got to be somebody who I think is part of
that building process and can help me, now, you know,
I think then I'll think about it absolutely.

Speaker 9 (18:47):
But then like going back full circle, back to like
Trey Henderson, like that's you're training for like a thirty
one year old pass rusher.

Speaker 3 (18:54):
So you know, you have to weigh everything, right.

Speaker 9 (18:56):
I saw all these age contracts or you know, term
in the contract, all these different types of things I
think are I'm not necessarily saying that it should have
and shouldn't, but this is what teams weigh. Like teams
don't like play fantasy football with draft picks and just
start sending draft picks out for players that are you know,

(19:18):
players that are named brands, like they think about contract term,
they think about age, they think about how it fits
into you know, the nucleus in the in the you know,
long term view of the team. And Mike Rabels said
multiple times their seven and two record will not determine
what they do at the deadline. They're not going to

(19:38):
over extend at the deadline because they're maybe a little
bit better than they thought they were going to be sure.

Speaker 4 (19:43):
There's another angle to me, and that is protecting Drake.
Not just about how's the team going to do. But
you're on your third string running back now. If he
goes down and you're trying to get through November and
December with a fourth, fifth, sixth running back, it's gonna
just allow teams to tee off on Drake. I'd say
an investment right now and a running back or you know,

(20:05):
trying to pad that room a little bit to make
sure that you have some depth so that it doesn't
go into a game where you've got the corpse of
Stephen Jackson out there and Drake may's going to have
to drop back forty to fifty times, maybe depending on
how the game unfold. So I think there's an element
to me too of protecting that side of the ball,
and I and to a lesser extent, the defensive imposition.
Like I just like in some regard, I feel like

(20:26):
the Patriots already playing with house money this year. They
are going to make the playoffs, you know, with the
team as currently constituted. But I don't want to get
there and feel like you missed an opportunity because Harold
Landry got hurt in week fifteen.

Speaker 3 (20:38):
Yeah, I mean, and now you've.

Speaker 4 (20:39):
Got Elijah Ponder get thrown into the fire and we'll
see how it'll go.

Speaker 7 (20:42):
One of your guys last night, Paul I was listening
on the way home Joe Murray, and I agree with him.

Speaker 3 (20:48):
He said, the season is already a success. It's already
a success.

Speaker 9 (20:52):
I agree.

Speaker 1 (20:53):
I think there's going to be nuanced to you and
there things can still happen.

Speaker 5 (20:57):
There's a lot of I mean, I'm not trying to
play that generally speak, but there's a lot of negative
things that could happen over the last half of the
season to make this nothing.

Speaker 3 (21:04):
I mean, if the season today, if somehow and the.

Speaker 5 (21:07):
Season today, I would say it's.

Speaker 7 (21:09):
Somehow, you know, the league had to be canceled for whatever.
This season has been a success.

Speaker 4 (21:14):
Correct, Yeah, but have a general pause point though that
a lot of twists and turns can happen that you
don't really know. But assuming that things go forward as
they've kind of been, I think it's a very good
chance that you're going to come out of this season feeling,
you know, very positive and the way more positive end.

Speaker 3 (21:30):
Then we got our quarterback and we got our coach.

Speaker 6 (21:32):
Okay, this is what I'm I'm glad that you said
it exactly that way.

Speaker 1 (21:36):
Thank you, Paul. What if?

Speaker 5 (21:37):
What if the second half of what we saw on
Sunday is what we see the next eight weeks with Drake,
I don't feel quite the same about the season.

Speaker 3 (21:46):
Yeah, I'd have to know the context.

Speaker 5 (21:48):
Admittedly, that is an unbelievable extreme that I'm.

Speaker 3 (21:51):
Not expecting, and you know, we have a lot of
three I might have then, But that's.

Speaker 5 (21:58):
All I'm saying, because there's a lot of things that
could happen over the last eight weeks of the season
that could change your opinion. Right now, wild success, Well,
your quarterback looks like a stud good segue into lingering
thoughts from the game on Sunday.

Speaker 9 (22:12):
Well, I just you know, do bringing up the run game.
And I do think there are cracks showing in the
Drake May foundation right now with his game that maybe
you know, you're asking him to elevate a lot of
things right now on this offense, and you was as
the competition has gotten a little bit better, at least

(22:33):
for the defenses that he's going up against. He's going
to face another good one in Tampa Bay on Sunday.
You know how much of that is really sustainable for
seventeen plus games to take a middling offensive line, middling
receiving room and be a top five passing offense and
pretty much every metric you know that without really a

(22:56):
great running game. You know, I think that that's a
lot of what we're seeing right now with Drake May
is there's he has filled a lot of holes on
his own.

Speaker 1 (23:06):
Well, what's the outlook for Remandre to be bad? We've
able answered it on Friday. It seemed like it's gonna
be a little bit.

Speaker 12 (23:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (23:16):
I don't I mean, he didn't say he'll be off
to seek We'll see, but I assume it's and.

Speaker 5 (23:20):
I don't know this, but wouldn't you just assume he
has turf toe, which seems to be the the injury
in the NFL this year, And just look at the
other guys that are getting turf toe.

Speaker 6 (23:29):
How long they've been.

Speaker 3 (23:30):
Out, like six weeks minimum, six weeks.

Speaker 5 (23:32):
You know, Borrow's going to miss three months minimum. Pretty
They just recently he was already missed about six or
seven games. They just I think Shanahan recently said that
it's something he's going to have to deal with the
entire season. It's not going to be one hundred So
if he has turf toe, could he play in a
week or two, probably, but not. I don't expect him

(23:54):
to be one hundred percent the rest of the year.

Speaker 6 (23:56):
Now.

Speaker 5 (23:56):
I think it's worth it, and he picked up bullets correct.
It's worth it for that because because the other guy
still worries me in that role, and I think he's
getting better. I think Henderson's getting better at it. But
I think some of the some of the pressure on Sunday.
I heard someone talking about this today and I would
like to credit them, but I don't know who. It
was mentioned that he was a little up and down

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in that regard.

Speaker 9 (24:19):
Yeah, he gave up three hurries, one of them one
of them led directly to a sack but the other
two were kind of you know, slow deaths, like he
was getting bull rush and he was kind of holding
on for dear life.

Speaker 5 (24:31):
And like sometimes say about winning, it's just showing.

Speaker 9 (24:34):
Up all with those for a running back against the linebacker,
you know, giving up the size that he's giving up.
But you know, I thought in this game, you know,
they took six sacks, and I thought five of them
were on Drake. You know, there's open receivers and he's
just not seeing it or hesitating or yeah, you doing
the double clutches that we saw in the second half
post strip sack, and all the numbers just kind of

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plummet after the strip sack compared to before.

Speaker 3 (24:59):
Let's go into that.

Speaker 7 (25:00):
You say that there were open receivers on five of
the six sacks. Yeah, where was where was the pressure
coming from? Where were his eyes in relation? And what
was the timing of that? Because you know, we've talked
about this in the past a lot of times. On TV,
they'll show you in one frame the quarterback and then
another frame a wide open receiver. Yeah, but the quarterback

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there's no way, because of what was going on in
front of him, that he had time to see that
so in fairness, like what was going on at the
time of this open receiver?

Speaker 9 (25:31):
Well, yeah, I mean I definitely would. I like to
think I would not point out like, oh, look at
this guy on the other side of the field that's open, you.

Speaker 6 (25:41):
Know, insulted him a little bit better.

Speaker 3 (25:43):
I know, but I just wanted to explain it. So, yeah,
we make sure that he's not doing that.

Speaker 9 (25:47):
So a couple I'll just give like a couple of examples.
So there was a red zone sack for example, that
they had in the second half that they ended up
having to kick a field goal that got into third
and goal from like the thirteen after the sack, and
they ended up kicking the field goal. So on the
left hand side, they are running a little bunch spot

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concept over on the left hand side, and the Falcons
have it box, so they have four defenders over three
Patriots receivers. But on Drake's right it's two on two.
It's man to man to the backside with digs and
Digs is wide open on he's wide open. And just
from a quarterback read standpoint, which side would you rather

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work the four on three side or the two on
two side. So like just from a numbers like standpoint,
Like you're taught to read the side that has the
numbers advantage in favor of the offense. So on that
one too.

Speaker 1 (26:43):
On top of it, you know, so where were his eyes?

Speaker 9 (26:45):
He started left, but he should have started right.

Speaker 3 (26:48):
Okay, he would have had we saw we were watching
the game.

Speaker 1 (26:50):
Both Evan and I relate like on.

Speaker 9 (26:52):
That one too, just to like further the point, Diggs
gets matched up with Jesse Bates, who's a safety in this.
So on top of the fact that you're talking about
numbers on you know, just from a read, you're also
talking about matchups like when you have your best receiver
against the safety, that should be automatic, like this is
where I'm going with the football. So there's that one

(27:14):
is is one example. The other example, he actually came
back to the same concept and hit Diggs on the
second read on his touchdown. But earlier on in the game,
he stared down the initial read on the right hand side.
It was covered and Digs is over the ball and
he's just wide open sitting over the ball, and Drake
just kind of got hung up on the initial read.

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So he's going, you know, that's just literally going one
to two, like we're not asking him to go one, two, three, four, five,
you're just going one to two.

Speaker 11 (27:43):
Now.

Speaker 9 (27:44):
To his credit, later on in the game, he did
the exact same thing and hit digs and digs made
the guy miss and scored.

Speaker 5 (27:50):
So he did improve.

Speaker 9 (27:52):
Like they probably went back to the sideline, looked at
the stills and said, hey, if we get this again,
you know, if it's not open like digs is been
open over the middle of the field in general.

Speaker 7 (28:02):
Like, So the first example was a pre snap read
making a decision. Okay, maybe it called for me to
look at this bunch, but I see this. This is
now going to be my number one. On other plays
where he is required to survey the field, how is
he doing seeing the field?

Speaker 9 (28:21):
I think he's doing a lot of one in runs,
which is what worries me. Like he's dropping back, he's
looking at his initial read. If the initial read isn't there,
he takes off. And that's been really going back to
the Tennessee game now that he's been doing that. So
what happens a lot to him is that he takes off.

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And this is the NFL, so those gaps close quickly
on the line of scrimmage when he tries to run
through the middle of the line, so he's trying to
get out of the pocket, and then it closes in
on him and it's it's like a two yard sack,
but it's still a sack. You know. There was another
one that you know in this game that really was
troubling to me that he had, Austin Hooper. They ran

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a seven step drop from under center, which is becoming
a lot more popular now, going all the way back
right to you know, everything is old as new, And
they ran a seven step drop from under center, and
Austin Hooper is just crossing over the middle of the
field and he is wide open, and Drake May just
doesn't throw it. He just doesn't throw it, and then
he runs up into the pocket and gets sacked.

Speaker 7 (29:24):
Why do you think he didn't throw it? Only he
can sem I mean he's right oh, right over his eyes.
I don't you know, I don't know, you know, what.

Speaker 1 (29:33):
Do you mean?

Speaker 9 (29:33):
It's right over the middle of the field, Like his
eyes are right on it. I don't know how I
can't know that. Yeah, you can see it, like you
can see where he's looking.

Speaker 3 (29:41):
Okay, that's what I'm asking.

Speaker 9 (29:42):
Yeah, And like it's it's a levels concept. Right over
the middle of the field. You have the short and
then you have the deeper one, and that's the dish
right you know, in the middle of the field. Uh,
And that you know seven step drop under center, like
you're not looking to hang out back there, like that's
supposed to be designed to get the ball out of
the quarterback's hands when he hits the top of the drop.
So it's just these are instances that keep happening with

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him on tape. Only he can answer to why exactly
he's not making these throws, Like, I can't sit here
and tell you why these things are happening. But to
his credit, on six of the sacks, they ended up
getting first down after four of them because he's getting
them into third and long by taking sacks and then
he's getting them out.

Speaker 5 (30:23):
And another part of that is what you mentioned briefly
is that he you know, I don't know what the
number is, but a good number of his sacks come
when he's climbing the pocket and can't get through, so
it's like a two yard sack, right. Yeah, I don't
think the the you know, the strip sack. Notwithstanding, that
was a big loss. Even if he had held onto
the ball, that would have been a ten plus yard loss.

(30:45):
But a lot of times it's around the line of
scrimmage where he gets sacked. So you're not like disaster.

Speaker 3 (30:52):
Yeah, he's just taking so many hits.

Speaker 4 (30:54):
I mean, that's that's hard. It's like, is this sustainable?
I don't worry about to deliver.

Speaker 9 (30:59):
The ball to me? Like that's that there's a difference
between like one and run quarterbacks and then like guys
that really play quarterback and are sitting in the pocket
and are progressing through reads and finding the open man
and all that different kind of stuff. And he does that.
Like I'm not saying it's never happens, you know, I
just think that as we sort of get deeper into

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the season, you know, he has the third highest sack
rate in the league right now among quarterbacks. He's taking
the second most tax in total, and cam Ward is won.
So that's a rookie that's ahead of him on a
bad team. That's one, he's two. So when you get
deeper into the season, we get into January and they
have a home playoff game against Kansas City and they're

(31:43):
in third and twelve. The entire game. That's a tough
way to live. Yeah, like you just you're you're not
going to be able to do that against better teams.

Speaker 4 (31:49):
I'd be interested Evan your opinion, because Paul and I
on the postgame show we talked a lot about this
was what shaky Drake looked like this summer, and you know,
on the show, I said he wasn't MVP Drake May
this summer, like it was a little bit more uncertain
up and down. I talked about Minnesota too, but you
know that we talked about the pump, you know, and
you can just wrote about it and after further review too,

(32:12):
like that's when you know he's just not seeing it.
So the lack of conviction, yeah, yeah, some of those
not trusting it, not trusting.

Speaker 9 (32:19):
It well, even the interception, like he pumps, he does
like that little double clutch that drives everybody nuts. And
I think the reason was is that he was throwing
to like a space in the middle of the field.
But Hunter Henry was actually correctly running the route, and
so he hesitated because I don't think he really fully

(32:40):
was one hundred percent sure Hunter Henry was going to
see it the same way, so he kind of like
does like a little little uh you know, hitch in
his throat, like where it's like yeah right, and like
that was all second half from the stripsack on just
and so that hesitation that.

Speaker 4 (32:56):
Like my next point is is this, you know where
we seeing a turning point there we all, I mean
you said it turnover, happens, strip sack, big play, and
now he kind of loses it.

Speaker 7 (33:06):
Well so far when we've seen things like that in games,
the next game he's kind of corrected it.

Speaker 3 (33:12):
Yeah you know.

Speaker 5 (33:13):
So yeah, so I'm sometimes like I go back to
what Evan said about the Tennessee game. That was the
game he started running around, and I've seen that for
like three weeks.

Speaker 3 (33:24):
I don't want him to stop running.

Speaker 5 (33:26):
Don't confuse running with mine around. It's it's it's kind
of like you know the whole you know, Yeah, he starts,
but he's not necessarily a starter, you know, like you
can run with a purpose, or you can just run
around into sacks.

Speaker 6 (33:38):
I know, the drift into pressure.

Speaker 7 (33:40):
I know that the PFF grades probably will argue with me,
but I do see that pressure is coming, that the
sack is getting.

Speaker 5 (33:48):
Small sunts I think are bothering them yeah, they do.

Speaker 11 (33:51):
They have.

Speaker 9 (33:51):
You know, I would say, you know, I said five
of the sixty shares, and the blame in like part
of that is like you can't get strip sacked, right,
But the sack was not his fault. Like the sack
was good coverage down the field on one who gets
beat on the stunt, there's no place for him to go.
So the only like negative there for Drake may was
just fumbled, right, So that's not on him. But like

(34:16):
I just think you're on a slippery slope when you
start one and run, Like when you start it's if
it's not there, I'm breaking the play down where there's
open receivers if you just progress past the first read,
not just from a physical standpoint of taking hits, but
also just putting the offense into behind the sticks types

(34:38):
of situations where you're trying to always get back on schedule.

Speaker 7 (34:42):
I got the sense in this game that in the
first half, like Drake was feeling it, like things were
working out and like it was almost like I'm doing
really good. And then, like you said, Evan, the strip
sack happened and it rattled him. Yeah, it kind of
brought him back down to earth. But think up to
that point in that game, he was kind of smelling himself. Yeah,

(35:03):
so it was like, nay, I'm a little bit invincible.

Speaker 11 (35:06):
Here.

Speaker 5 (35:07):
He was in the first game, he was nine for thirteen.

Speaker 9 (35:10):
And two touchdowns before the strips.

Speaker 7 (35:12):
I mean, he was twelve yards in the town and
then and then that happened, and it was like, oh,
it's twenty four.

Speaker 3 (35:18):
I can't beat everybody.

Speaker 5 (35:19):
If it's twenty four to seven and a half, Like,
you know, I'll be looking at the third straight, right,
you know, walk away win, Yeah, winning, going away.

Speaker 3 (35:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (35:28):
He even made I mean that throw to Digs in
the second half, even in the rattles half quote unquote, right,
you know you still see the ability.

Speaker 6 (35:36):
Yeah, you know, that was a third and twelve unbelievable throw.

Speaker 7 (35:39):
And that seems to be the theme coming out of
it is they had this bad second half, but yet
they were still able to do just enough to hold
on to the win. And and that last drive, Rabel
had the confidence to say, just go win the game,
and he did make the pass and they got the
first down and it's it's ballgame.

Speaker 1 (35:57):
So you know, people aren't freaking.

Speaker 5 (35:59):
Out, but I'm glad that they did that. Because that's
what teams should do. And I'm glad that they didn't
get spooked because it wasn't going great for the quarterback.
You have to still do the right thing right, And
I'm sorry, and I know that people think this is
a controversial thing.

Speaker 6 (36:15):
I think the right thing to do.

Speaker 5 (36:17):
When you have the lead in the ball at the
end of the game, your goal should be to not
give the ball back to the defense right, not to
run it into the middle of the line and run clock.
Your goal should be to get first downs yeap, And
the best way to get first downs in that league,
and that situation is to throw the ball. You can
throw it safely, like if it they did there, Like
let's just say for arguments sake, number forty gets over

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and gets up and jumps the route on Hunter Henry
and he can't throw it. Well, Drake's not just going
to throw it away to stop the clock. He's going
to run right, and he probably isn't going to get
the first down, but the clock's going to run. You
have to punt, and even in the end, but that's
a hard play for number forty.

Speaker 7 (36:53):
Even that last drive for the Patriots in the first half,
I heard a lot of people just just you know,
run it and you know and the clock.

Speaker 1 (37:01):
No, you were a good team.

Speaker 3 (37:02):
Try to get three the first half, yeah, the first half.

Speaker 5 (37:04):
Didn't love the way they handled the end of the
first half.

Speaker 7 (37:06):
Yeah, I was.

Speaker 1 (37:07):
I was fine with it. Go for points.

Speaker 5 (37:09):
They didn't. That's what I wanted to do. Oh, I
wanted to get into a two minute drill. You know
why they got into a two minute drill because Raheem
Morris called back to back timeouts. I thought they were
going to run the clock out. They were throwing the ball,
no drake like one of Evans things kind of just
quickly ran to the sideline, slid in bounds to keep
the clock running. They would contend to run the clock out,

(37:31):
and Morris called back.

Speaker 3 (37:32):
To that time that was an option, but I think
they were they wanted.

Speaker 5 (37:35):
They were very conservative on that drive until the two timeouts.
Then they converted the third down. Yeah, and then they
tried to get points.

Speaker 3 (37:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (37:43):
I didn't like that.

Speaker 3 (37:43):
Yeah, Okay, and they tried to stop, but it's not
like they weren't. Their intention was to try to double dip.

Speaker 5 (37:50):
Their intention was to run the clock out. Raheem Morris
called two timeouts to say, all right, well, we got
to try to get a first down on third down,
here we go. I don't didn't want to give the
ball back to.

Speaker 3 (38:01):
Morris, Yeah, no, I don't. I don't know.

Speaker 5 (38:03):
I think that they were very conservative on the first
two plays.

Speaker 7 (38:06):
Maybe it's conservative play calling, but not to the point
where they their intention wasn't to score.

Speaker 1 (38:10):
I think it was to get in feel positioned to.

Speaker 5 (38:13):
Put I don't know why you wouldn't run out of
bounds then on that run.

Speaker 7 (38:18):
Were trying to keep the running. But sometimes you want
to do it both ways. You want to score points
and not leave them time.

Speaker 9 (38:28):
I hear what you're saying. I think that, especially the
first down run is usually a dead like Josh McDaniels,
we're going to try to get some cheap yards here,
We're going to run some clock. Yeah, that that's that's
a classic one of his that he normally does in
those situations. But I I just I'm glad you mentioned
the throat of digs in the second half, because it

(38:49):
wasn't all bad. I mean, that throws insane. That was
like that, and the fact that he ripped it tells
you that it wasn't like totally in his head at
that point that he you know, wasn't really totally completely unraveling.

Speaker 3 (39:01):
He was throwing into a spot.

Speaker 9 (39:03):
Yeah, I mean that's just to hit that window is insane.

Speaker 4 (39:06):
I just say that anyone's listening and getting triggered that
we're talking negatively about Drake.

Speaker 1 (39:10):
He didn't go on the bad list. He didn't go
on the good list. We didn't.

Speaker 6 (39:15):
To go on the bad list.

Speaker 9 (39:17):
Yeah, it's funny because you know, this is my lowest
graded game for him since the opener, but he's still
basically was a winning quarterback, like you know, and so
like his bar has just been set so high. You know,
his QBR was fifty point five, so like he was
right in that middle, right, So it wasn't like there
was no place in this game. I mean the touchdown

(39:39):
throated pop Douglas is you could watch that ten times.

Speaker 7 (39:42):
To think that he wasn't going to have a game
like this or maybe more than one, you know, during
the stretch, is unreasonable. I mean, he's he's still a
very young quarterback who was just really having played a
full set of games for a season.

Speaker 3 (39:58):
What is this like is twenty second game?

Speaker 1 (40:02):
I think it was twenty second you know, I have
a question for Evan. I love when that happens.

Speaker 4 (40:07):
Do you feel like teams are adjusting to him and
teams are starting to get a beat on what he's
doing and starting to adjust now as he gets more
of a sample size, And is that is it not
just Drake kind of reverting to some of his old ways.
Is it somewhat the defenses and opponents are realizing.

Speaker 3 (40:21):
Well, that's the other thing. I think that's a good point.
You have to give some credit to other teams.

Speaker 1 (40:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (40:26):
I was going to actually go there, Fred, because this
Falcons defense number one pass defense in football coming into
this game, right, you know they Drake had the most
passing yards of any quarterback against this defense all season
and that includes Josh Allen to.

Speaker 5 (40:40):
Lit him up last week though. Yeah, I had only
think you had two hundred yards and four touchdowns.

Speaker 6 (40:45):
Yeah, something like that.

Speaker 9 (40:46):
So, you know, they very good pass defense, very good scheme.
You know, they they really shut down pretty much everybody
that they've faced all year long, and they won some rounds, like,
they won some rounds. And you know, one of the
things that they start to do after Pop's fifty eight
yard crosser is they started cutting the crossing routes in
the middle of the field. So instead of trying to

(41:08):
run with him in man to man, they started putting
a safety right on the crosser and if it was
a crosser, the corner would fall off pop and pass
it to the safety. So they did that a handful
of times as the game wore on. They did it
on the strip sack and they did it on the pick.
So both instances were crossing routes where they thought they

(41:29):
were going to get post safety or man to man
coverage with the safety up top, and in both instances
they cut the crossing route in the middle of the
field and it caused issues for the Patriots. So the
Falcons adjusted within this game. I don't know if I'm
starting to see week to week like big picture adjustments
like Deuce was kind of talking about. But Atlanta, there's

(41:51):
a lot of credit defensively in this game. The Patriots
had them on the ropes for like a quarter and
you know, really almost two full quarters until the strip sack,
and then they made some adjustments and they were able
to kind of get a beat on what the Patriots
were doing.

Speaker 5 (42:04):
You draft knicks, Mike and Evan, can you tell me
about Billy Bowman.

Speaker 9 (42:08):
So he's a nickel nickel safety, a good player, scrappy.

Speaker 5 (42:13):
Because clearly they've missed him. Yeah, because the Falcons have
these gaudy numbers. He missed the last two games and
they haven't been anywhere near as good as they were.
So I'm not saying it's one, you know, down to
one guy. I know Zach Harrison been being out as
probably the best front seven player, and he's been out
the last couple of games too, But this, I'm just
in terms of the secondary. I wonder if maybe they're
scrambling and it's taken them a little while to so

(42:35):
they you know.

Speaker 9 (42:36):
To that point. They picked on Mike Cues a little bit,
but they really picked on d Alford, who is Billy
Bowman's replacement in the slot.

Speaker 5 (42:46):
Alford was the guy I noticed a lot. Yeah, he
made a good play early, but I thought he got
really badly beaten on that play initially and the throw
was a little late. Then they went back to those deep,
deep shots that you know, I guess they were over deep,
over what would you call the route. So I don't
want the AT and T crowd.

Speaker 9 (43:06):
You know, each of them are kind of a little
bit different. But they have like three different iterations of
that route. So one of them they just call a
bee line, which is literally just run a straight line
across the field.

Speaker 6 (43:15):
That was working because Pop was opened three times on you.

Speaker 9 (43:18):
Yeah, the one that you're talking about, the throwback is
like a corner post, right, so he's going to nod
to the corner and then break on the post. It's
the same route that he ran in New Orleans on
his touchdown and he got it. They they got the
safety on it again. Uh, but because Drake was rolling,
it just like took a little bit longer for it
to hit. And then they also have like different iterations

(43:41):
of crossers where you're talking you know, shallow over, deep over,
So like it depends on the exact concept of that
they're running. But they like the bee line a lot
with Pop because he's so fast. Just just run, like,
don't don't try to like sell anything. Yeah, just stay up.
Yeah that part drunken sale are all right?

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Speaker 3 (44:06):
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It's Nate in Connecticut, what's up, Nate?

Speaker 13 (44:13):
Hey guys, can you guys do we will?

Speaker 3 (44:14):
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Speaker 1 (44:15):
Yeah?

Speaker 13 (44:16):
Uh So my question for you guys today is, you know,
next week we're headed to Tampa, I believe, and we're
gonna have a pretty good game. I think, two pretty
good teams. And my question for you guys is what
do you think the biggest weakness going into the Tampa
Bay game is? You know, obviously Kaishawan Boody wasn't in

(44:37):
the majority for the Falcons game, and sure that played
a big role. And you know our secondary I think
was a little lessy and that's Ira Elliott Wolf. I
think I'd probably make a move here at the deadline
to get a defense player. On a side note, there's
been some controversy or news about what people are calling

(45:00):
class gate, where yeah, I know, I think it's total bs.

Speaker 7 (45:05):
Well, Raheem Morris has come out now and said he
was going off with what his players told him, right, Yeah,
so that was on him.

Speaker 6 (45:12):
He was angry and he's listening to.

Speaker 9 (45:13):
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Speaker 6 (45:31):
Let me let me just add So that's kind of
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are obviously looking at this and saying we have a shot.

Speaker 5 (45:43):
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Is that.

Speaker 5 (45:49):
I'm not saying that that specific move. I'm not saying
the patriot should have been looking for sauce gardener. The
Patriots have Christian Gonzales right that they're going to have
to pay like sauce gardener next year. Right, I'm not
suggesting this individual thing, but that's the kind of move
that I'm saying, is we recognize we have an opportunity here.
I don't know where they think they are in the

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rebuilding plan.

Speaker 9 (46:11):
I don't feel like they even have their quarterback in
the future. Like, are you totally sold Daniel Jones?

Speaker 5 (46:16):
Is inn preach?

Speaker 11 (46:19):
Right?

Speaker 5 (46:19):
Just this is what I'm saying, Like, you never know
when the year that you can make a run is
going to happen, right, So, like, is this a dumb
trade for them?

Speaker 6 (46:27):
What did they trade.

Speaker 9 (46:29):
I'm refreshing. We don't know what they traded yet, so
they year. Yeah, so that's the difference, right is Sauce
is under contract for the long term, so this is
not rental. This is they are going to have Sauce
garden that division four years. I think it is.

Speaker 6 (46:44):
And I would say, now, you're Jets.

Speaker 1 (46:46):
Fan, was really the season. But by the way, it's.

Speaker 6 (46:49):
Really good, really good news for the Patriots.

Speaker 5 (46:51):
In seriousness, they have to play the playing them in tenas,
so you take obviously a very good player always works
out for the Patriot. The Jets are in sneaky fire
sale mode too. You know, we've heard a lot about
Breest Hall. I saw something today that they would take
a second round pick or you know, probably won't get
it for Jermaine Johnson. That's another guy. Now again I'm

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not talking specific to the Patriots. I'm just saying with
the there's two teams in the division right that look
like they're ready and willing to trade everyone in Miami
and it's crazy.

Speaker 9 (47:24):
So the trade, maybe chefter has it two first round picks.

Speaker 6 (47:30):
Two first round picks is a lot.

Speaker 5 (47:32):
Yeah, is a lot. Now, I'm not telling you it's
a bad move. But what I hate is this move
will be evaluated based on when and how the cults
are eliminated, and that's not how it should be a value.

Speaker 9 (47:46):
It shouldn't be well, not because he's under contract, right Like, no, no,
no again, I know it.

Speaker 5 (47:51):
Don't take They have a pretty open mind.

Speaker 3 (47:55):
When it comes.

Speaker 9 (47:55):
I'm not taking it personally. I'm just saying, like this
is this may move makes sense for the Colts because
he's going to be a Colt, you.

Speaker 5 (48:03):
Know, like they're traded well, I mean obviously they wouldn't
give two first round picks, so you know, I.

Speaker 9 (48:09):
Think he fits great in that scheme that they're running
with big corners. But he has in my mind been
like to any little bit overrated with the Jets.

Speaker 3 (48:19):
He hasn't played well as well this year.

Speaker 5 (48:21):
He played No, he's played well this year. He didn't
have a great year last year, and supposedly the reason
was he was trying to protect himself all year.

Speaker 1 (48:27):
I just I like it for the Colts. I mean,
they don't have a lot of glaring holes.

Speaker 4 (48:31):
And I mean the question to me really boils down
to so you're saying, Daniel Jones is our guy, We're
not going to have to worry about not only.

Speaker 1 (48:37):
Drafting a new quarterback.

Speaker 5 (48:38):
In the quarterback which won those first round pick, you
might be like, maybe not this year, but maybe if
you're stung like you're not getting in the first round,
you're going to be picking somewhere between twenty and thirty two.
But eighteen and thirty two you're going to be in
the playoffs. Yep, so you're one of the bottom fourteen picks. Yeah,
you're not getting a quarterback.

Speaker 1 (48:58):
Good receivers, young receiving corps, you know, all under the contract,
good offensive like, good defensive line.

Speaker 9 (49:04):
Not that you know, the Patriots were probably going to
be heavily favored in both games against the Jets anyways.
But I was actually just watching Jets Bengals because from
a couple of weeks ago, and uh like justin feels
like Lamar Jackson against that Bengals defense, and like, you know,
they're they're one and seven, but this is really giving up, right,

(49:27):
Like this is really waving a white flag. So I
just really wonder, you know, I already kind of choked
those up to two wins anyways against the Jets, but like,
how much are you really winning those games now? Because
if you're telling the whole organization that you're waving the
white flag by trading Sauce, Like that's like the Patriots
trading Gonzales, right, and you know, kind of sending that

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message like last year, like.

Speaker 1 (49:50):
The fans feel for the Jets, I'd be sick. I mean,
this is a super talented guy's.

Speaker 3 (49:55):
Going to give up again again. I emphasize they're going
to completely fraud just start over again.

Speaker 1 (50:00):
I mean, that's the signal to me.

Speaker 6 (50:01):
I just kind of like the trade for the Colts.

Speaker 1 (50:03):
Oh yeah, me too.

Speaker 3 (50:04):
But I just wonder, like, if you're a Colts fan,
you're ready to go.

Speaker 9 (50:07):
If you're Wilson, what are you thinking now, Like if
you're Garrett Wilson, Because they both signed their extensions at
the same time, same draft class. They both signed their
extensions and locked in free Garrett Wilson, and now they
are one in seven.

Speaker 3 (50:21):
I'll take him.

Speaker 7 (50:22):
I mean.

Speaker 6 (50:24):
Who first round picks? No, okay, but you wouldn't take
him there.

Speaker 5 (50:29):
I'm gonna guess he's gonna go for the same kind
of compensation if they traded him.

Speaker 9 (50:33):
Oh we got no one more other trade not as
big as there is the Sauce Gardner trade. But Rashijaki
to the Seahawks.

Speaker 6 (50:40):
That's a guy who some people kicked around for the Patriots.

Speaker 9 (50:44):
Yeah, so Saints wide receiver, big time speed, big time
deep threat, like kind of like a bigger Pop Douglas.

Speaker 1 (50:51):
I like that one too.

Speaker 4 (50:52):
Yeah, and I was just telling him I just watched
that Seahawks Bucks game, which was crazy. JSN this that
kid is playing out of his mind right now. So
now you get some speed on the outside with Shahid,
maybe help him out a little.

Speaker 3 (51:04):
Bit and going for you know, the Seahawks are another team.
They are like they're making a run.

Speaker 1 (51:09):
They are.

Speaker 9 (51:09):
Yeah, Donald's on the.

Speaker 1 (51:10):
Top of their division. Donald probably gonna be the MVP.

Speaker 9 (51:13):
If he had ended today, probably would be the end.

Speaker 1 (51:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (51:16):
Just the numbers he's putting up are absolutely.

Speaker 7 (51:19):
It's almost a similar situation the Cults where they bring
in another guy. They really have the quarterback another team
and he's playing really, really well.

Speaker 9 (51:29):
So the Vikings had Sam Donald Daniel Jones both on
their team and ended up with JJ McCarthy.

Speaker 7 (51:38):
So that's interesting enough. Christians in LA, what's up, Christian
christ Jan Hey.

Speaker 2 (51:45):
You guys, happy, Happy to see you guys, and I
hope everyone out there and Patriots Land goes out and
vote like a real Patriot, because it's important to make
your voice hurt. Okay, so about the last game, I
just want to talk about the end of the game first,
and stay that decision by Rable to throw the ball
typify something that I've always said a million times. Good

(52:07):
teams throw the ball and execute. Bad teams run the ball.
And hope that's something that I made up that I
always say, Yes.

Speaker 3 (52:14):
You, I remember I read that that you made that.

Speaker 6 (52:17):
In fact, I took it from you.

Speaker 11 (52:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (52:20):
Yeah, I think I think Bill quoted you in his book.

Speaker 6 (52:24):
Well done, Christian, I got it.

Speaker 2 (52:28):
But seriously, and on the football, I think I think
as far as the team trading goes, I'm actually with
Paul in the sense of saying, if not now when
we are, in my estimation a season ahead of schedule
as far as our progression of Drake and the way
the team is playing and the amount of ways that
we've already got So with being a season ahead, let's

(52:50):
treat it as if we are. And next season, if
we were in this position with everything to be gathered,
we'll we go for it. A little more. I say
the answer is yes, and then I say, if we're
going to do that, and here's my question to you guys.
To me, the easiest position to bring on board mid
season is an elite pass rusher like hands of the
dirt edge guy that's just pass rushing. Secondly would be

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a rangy or good linebacker. The reason why I say
that pass rusher is his platebook. Getn't that that that deep?
I don't believe. I think it's just go get the quarterback.
Certain schemes drop out, but for the most part, his
job is just go get the quarterback. So let's make
a run. Let's make a splash. Let's get a splashy

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edge guy to rush and a rangy linebacker, and I
think we are actually there.

Speaker 3 (53:38):
Okay, up the air, guys, have it all right, thanks Christian.

Speaker 9 (53:40):
I agree with him pass rush is the easiest thing
to translate. It would certainly be at the top of
the yeah because running back at least, but I say
linebacker might be one of the hardest.

Speaker 5 (53:52):
Yeah. I don't agree with him on the rangy linebacker,
not only the lack of availability of those as say,
everything pretty uh pretty impactful trades. Absolutely, I mean I
think that. I mean that it's not going to get
the the attention of Sauce Garden, but Rashid heat for Seattle.

Speaker 7 (54:12):
Is these are two teams that just traded away a
great compliment and good players on their team.

Speaker 5 (54:17):
Maybe take away and you know, take away some of
the burden off of J. S N who's done every.

Speaker 4 (54:23):
He's for that that passing attack I pointed out just
to highlight. I mean, haven't said it when J s
M was coming out and I asked that, didn't you
say this? It was like the Brian hartline said at
the time that he's the best of all those high
receiver receivers.

Speaker 1 (54:37):
So he looks like it.

Speaker 3 (54:39):
Brian and Lowell.

Speaker 11 (54:42):
Yeah, Brian, Hey, what's up guys? Brian?

Speaker 1 (54:46):
What's going on today? Do you have a good game?

Speaker 14 (54:49):
Oh yeah, I was just gonna say, way wait, think
about that win?

Speaker 11 (54:53):
Nah?

Speaker 14 (54:53):
Oh my god, yeah, that's great.

Speaker 1 (54:57):
One point. That's it on land Romo got cut today.

Speaker 3 (55:04):
Did he?

Speaker 7 (55:05):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (55:05):
Lanta the kick I missed the actor point.

Speaker 3 (55:09):
Yeah, that was something. How where were you when that happened?

Speaker 11 (55:13):
Oh?

Speaker 15 (55:14):
I was at home as usual and watching it.

Speaker 7 (55:16):
A lot of people coming in and out again. Yeah, yeah,
what did you do when Romo hit missed that kick?
Did you jump out of your seat?

Speaker 2 (55:27):
Oh? Yeah, god yeah. I was like, oh, we at
least that was.

Speaker 1 (55:33):
I was like, oh, that's great.

Speaker 15 (55:36):
Well you heard you just had about Clopgate, this clock gate.

Speaker 3 (55:39):
Yeah you heard about I heard about it.

Speaker 1 (55:41):
Yeah, yeah, we talked about Clopgate.

Speaker 16 (55:44):
I mean, you know, you know, the.

Speaker 3 (55:45):
Patriots are back when you're getting a cheating. But thanks
for the call, Brian, appreciate it.

Speaker 9 (55:50):
I just, you know, as a ball no er, I
just think like I would just like to man's playing
silent count for a second and just kind of explain
what happened. So if if you watch the play, well
let's start from the beginning. When you watch the play,
the Falcons motion or receiver from the left to the
right side of the formation to create a three by one.

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So Jalen Hawkins is in the back. They go three
by one, and he's trying to get Carlton Davis's attention
to change the coverage because of the different formation. So
he does go like this to Carlton Davis to try
to get his attention. So what happens when you're on
the road and you have silent count is a lot
of teams will have the guard, whether it's a left

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or the right guard. This case it was the right guard.
He will look back to the quarterback. The quarterback will
have some sort of non verbal signal like a leg
kick or maybe some guys go like this when he
wants to snap, so snap. It's the right guard's job
in this case to tap the center when it's time
to snap the ball. And then the center is looking

(56:53):
forward the entire time tap, so you're supposed to just
give him a little tap then he snaps the football.
Ends up happening is the Falcons are claiming that they
heard from fifteen yards away they heard Jalen Hawkins clapping,
and so the center thought, we must be getting down
on the playclock. I'm just gonna snap the football. The

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rest of the offensive line, not the right guard, but
the other three spots. They're watching the ball. So when
the ball moves, they move, which is why only the
right guard stays in his stands.

Speaker 5 (57:30):
So something coach, I don't know what hate advantage of
bad foot pay.

Speaker 9 (57:35):
To his credit, Milton Williams rushed, yeah, and so he
went and he gets in the backfield immediately. But that's
why four fifths of the offensive line moved and only
the right guard was standing still. So the question is,
is you know when you talk about and this is

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what I think Rabel is talking about, and he kind
of did a bad job of explaining himself yesterday. When
you talk about like simulating a snap count, usually that's
somebody up front that's clapping or yeah, exactly. So I
just blame it on a safety is like a huge leap, right,
But that was even before.

Speaker 4 (58:14):
Came on yesterday and said the thing he said, like
this kind of smells to me like the guy coming
off the field being.

Speaker 3 (58:18):
Like a snap that would you do totally, totally would
have reached out to me.

Speaker 5 (58:26):
You guys know me, I would just just to tweak Fred.
I would jump in even if I didn't believe it.
I would jump in just but I mean, Evan explained
how far away I.

Speaker 3 (58:37):
Like it, and I because it's a sign that we're back,
that we're being accused.

Speaker 5 (58:41):
Of the only the only we're back, the only thing
in fairness, I do want to say, the one thing
I didn't like was kind of what Evan alluded to, Like, Mike,
you watch the play, you did see a guy clapping.
You claims like I've watched it several times. I don't
see what they're talking Like there was a guy clapping.
I think the way Evan explained it is exactly why
Jalen Hawkins was clapping.

Speaker 1 (59:01):
Right.

Speaker 5 (59:01):
He's looking right at Carlton Davis. I think he was
doing some sort of signal to that all the time.
And it happens all the time. And I agree with Evan.
It's a good ten to fifteen yards away. He's like
ten or eleven yards behind the ball. Plus he's sort
of off to the you know, the the offensive right
of the formation, so he's a good fifteen yards away.

(59:23):
There's no way that sent.

Speaker 3 (59:25):
He was wearing special gloves that you have.

Speaker 5 (59:28):
To admit they were funny. So I only heard, like
could you hear Felgert? He goes, some guy calls in.
He's all butt hurt and he goes, why do you
think I do it? And he goes and the guy
couldn't like figure out he because it bothers you.

Speaker 9 (59:41):
I don't hear the whole thing, but he was taught.
He thought it was like the college offense, like we're clapping.
It wasn't which it wasn't, but I just really quickly.
I don't want to like.

Speaker 5 (59:49):
Because it has to turn into there was shotgun dipsy jew.

Speaker 9 (59:53):
I don't want to give it away too much of it.
But the Patriots do not use their silent count in
the same way that Falcons do, and I think that
the way they do it is better because there's less
of like a chain of communication, so it's still just
the center in quarterback communicating. So ideally you wouldn't have

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that issue because it's gotta go from the quarterback to
the guard to the center to you know, and then
there's like a whole kind of game of telephone where
it's just like waiting for a mistake to happen. So
the Patriots do it a little bit different.

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Speaker 3 (01:02:27):
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Speaker 11 (01:02:30):
How you doing. I'm doing well. Are you doing good?

Speaker 17 (01:02:34):
What's your what's your biggest takeaway from the review of
the film this morning?

Speaker 1 (01:02:39):
That's good if you can get a chance.

Speaker 11 (01:02:41):
To watch that, of course.

Speaker 16 (01:02:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:02:43):
Yeah, obviously. Well for our game, for sure.

Speaker 16 (01:02:47):
Uh, obviously, I'm gonna be more critical on the defensive
end and pick at us just as a bit much
as we can. But I think it's an opportunity that
we have some opportunities to take the ball away, and
I think we got to see those opportunities a bit
more to make games not being so close and challenging.
And I just think overall, like some keep speaking for
the defensive end. Man, we flew around, We made quite

(01:03:07):
some plays. Those guys are professionals too, They make some
plays in their end, and we just got to make
more plays in them for sure.

Speaker 5 (01:03:16):
Okay for you, that's gonna say, kalong, big game this week,
both two good teams.

Speaker 11 (01:03:22):
How much do y'all enjoy the opportunity to play games
with the pretty dope? Pretty dope?

Speaker 16 (01:03:28):
Obviously we get a chance to to fight adversity and
see much about ourselves ourselves, Like I said, very talented
team aren't regardless of what media aspects may say about
them or whatever it is. But I'm super talent on
the field man and will coached. So we got an
opportunity to fight adversity and see and see where we
lies in the great battle of being tested, and we

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came out on top.

Speaker 3 (01:03:51):
You look at them here fall sick or sort.

Speaker 11 (01:03:54):
Let's focused on other things too.

Speaker 5 (01:03:55):
Saying there we get them on grounding up this week,
but pressionally, moving off the spot the potential branding.

Speaker 11 (01:04:02):
You lik at that and say it's number.

Speaker 3 (01:04:05):
Yeah, we like more of them.

Speaker 11 (01:04:06):
We're doing a good enough job.

Speaker 16 (01:04:08):
Yeah, It's always like a hard balance to try to
find between two because you want the numbers and you
want the sacks, for sure, But we find ways to
affect the quarterback in whichever way we can, Like you said,
the tension of groundings. Man, we had a safety last week.
You know what I'm saying, just getting the ball out
and we're just causing a lot of quick throws and
have it up front. You know, whatever it is, get

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an extra clutch and or call some type of disruption
within routes and qv time and so everything matters obviously
when it comes to get to the quarterback. But for
sure I can tell you that this front is still hungry.
We know that we're capable of much more than what
we put on film.

Speaker 12 (01:04:43):
You said you're more focused on the defensive lines. After
watching it takes to like the defensive back specifically. We're
really involved in the run game. What does it mean
to you as a guy who's in the trench and
seeing defensive backs being involved in playing physical against that
kind of rushing attack.

Speaker 16 (01:04:55):
No, that's super doope. That's super dope, man. Seeing Carlton
come in, hit Gonzo come in hit man. So it's
not too many times where you can see corners bit
as physical as though too, and they come in and
they make plays regardless and without any type of hesitation.
So pretty dope to keep having everybody all eleven involved
in the run game and take pride in that, and

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we know those and gettest opportunities in the past game
for sure, So I credited those guys. We continue to
show up, man, and I hope that we'll continue to
do that all your long.

Speaker 12 (01:05:25):
Did you hear after the game the Facts were talking
about on that intentional grounding play?

Speaker 11 (01:05:29):
I guess they heard some clapping from your side of
the line of SCRIPTA. Did you hear anything like that?
Were you guys clapping before the snap there? This is
my first time here anybody, so I wasn't aware of that,
but I would hope that we would. We don't do that.
We play the game fair and we go out and
do whatever we can to win.

Speaker 1 (01:05:49):
You're the one that's facing a couple of young quarterbacks
the last two weeks.

Speaker 11 (01:05:52):
They'll go up against this week.

Speaker 5 (01:05:54):
And I know you probably haven't died in his cap
of day yet, but when you look at how to.

Speaker 1 (01:05:58):
Big Mayfield back and spend play against him with.

Speaker 11 (01:06:01):
That, how do you there during the again, off Stu.

Speaker 16 (01:06:08):
Man Beggas is a great quarterback. I think we all
been kind of watching the mixcel and getting better and
better each year and each especially as he's getting comfortable
with the system. So it's going to be a thing
about obviously getting them off their time and then off
their rhythm. Man, they're very good at their script and
kind of just making sure just methodically getting downfield, and
he takes whatever he can get. And when it was
exposed to show up, they got some fast guys the

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receiver and making plays. So it's gonna be one of those, man,
everybody kind of haves to just be dialed in and
focus into their details. Man, those guys are going to
make plays, but we have to make sure that we
make more plays than they make.

Speaker 11 (01:06:39):
There's a pretty historic run right now.

Speaker 5 (01:06:42):
We're not allowing running back still the fifteen yards. Is
that something you're aware of heading in the week and
wanting to continue that stream or is it something that.

Speaker 1 (01:06:50):
You you don't what you think about.

Speaker 16 (01:06:51):
I think it's more of an outside noise than internal.
I think we don't really mention it much in the building.
We take pride in being a great run defense for sure, though,
but we don't really mention much about stats and kind
of like what's the running back average against us?

Speaker 11 (01:07:03):
But it's a dope stat to have for sure.

Speaker 7 (01:07:05):
Man.

Speaker 16 (01:07:06):
Once again, I was like I was yesterday post game,
and I think it's a mentality that we carry within
the defense man. Just continue to be stout in the
run game, be gap sound, and put ourselves in positions
to where we can pin out yours back and get
out to the quarterback.

Speaker 5 (01:07:20):
Do you have a campus to.

Speaker 11 (01:07:24):
Campus top?

Speaker 3 (01:07:25):
No, No, I did.

Speaker 11 (01:07:26):
I had a good chance to.

Speaker 17 (01:07:27):
I just wanted to ask you about your season just
sort of as a whole your you know, like to start.

Speaker 11 (01:07:32):
With the five and a half sacks, which is a
career high.

Speaker 4 (01:07:36):
Is there something about what's happening with you individually and
this team this scheme.

Speaker 11 (01:07:43):
That is maybe bringing up the best of unit?

Speaker 4 (01:07:46):
What do you what do you feeling?

Speaker 11 (01:07:47):
What do you see?

Speaker 16 (01:07:48):
I mean, it definitely helps playing with the guys I
play with, for sure, got some exceptional defensive backs, exceptional
guys and inside Milton Christian herold on opposite and getting
getting to the quarterback. So when everybody is kind of
making sure they win it in one on ones and
dominating in their roles in the game. Man, I think
it makes everybody's job a bit more easy, especially when
you can just focus on one of your one on

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one battles. So credit to everybody that's on the field
within man, I think that's how this goes into started
off in O T as we continue to build that
chemistry and that ground and kind of just see how
we want to get to the quarterback and how we
you know what I'm saying, willing to rush as a
unit rather than individual past rush.

Speaker 11 (01:08:26):
So it's been dope.

Speaker 16 (01:08:28):
It's been dope to have a season like this, for sure,
But I give all credit to everybody that's on the
field with me for sure. Specific how he distinguished himself
he honestly as as player, these physical skills, but the
effort in either leadership, you.

Speaker 10 (01:08:41):
Know, and.

Speaker 11 (01:08:43):
Oh yeah, So I mean Milk's dope.

Speaker 16 (01:08:45):
Obviously he knows what a championship contended team looks like,
and he definitely voices his opinion when it speaks that
he might not be as loud, right, he got, right,
he got But he knows when things not looking right
and things kind of looking and going in the right direction.
So Milk keeps is all on the right path, man,
whether it's for Christian, Harold or me sessional when we
out there rushing together, some things that he sees, especially

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if it's a slo protection or if you know he
has a one on one matchup, or if he's just
seeing some different sets between the pair of a garden tackle.
He steaded talking about on the sideline and trying to
make sure we're on the same page. So pretty dope
to be to be to have milk with hims. I
think I was that two years ago. He was a
part of recruiter had with seventy two sacks in the
season and something like that. So I mean, he knows

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how to get to the quarterback, he knows what it takes.
So I'm super dope to have him inside with us
for show.

Speaker 11 (01:09:33):
I'm cure you know your view of the trade deadline.
Being on a team that's been as successful as it's
been to this point in the season, do you look.

Speaker 12 (01:09:42):
At the trade deadline and say, man, it'd be great
to bring somebody in here to help us get even.

Speaker 11 (01:09:46):
Better, or how do you look at it when you're
part of a winning team where you guys been.

Speaker 16 (01:09:50):
Yeah, that's a question, Rights. I don't really have an
answer for it. I don't really kind of dig too
much in that.

Speaker 11 (01:09:56):
Man.

Speaker 16 (01:09:56):
I control what I can control, and that's my play
on the field. Hopefully I'll do everything I can to
make sure that we continue to go in this direction
for show up.

Speaker 11 (01:10:06):
Okay, thanks appreciate, John, thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:10:08):
For today and now great moments in history.

Speaker 7 (01:10:19):
I was told that I said carry on wrong. I
said carry on. It's carry on one word like like
the bag. It's a carry on, not carry on, cape,
calm and carry on.

Speaker 3 (01:10:33):
It's the acs.

Speaker 6 (01:10:34):
Do the read before we get in trouble.

Speaker 7 (01:10:36):
Okay, only liquid's allowed, blood, sweat, and tears. Catch carry
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Speaker 6 (01:10:46):
Okay, do you know these things intrigue me?

Speaker 11 (01:10:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:10:49):
So a carry on that you would carry on to
an airplane is pronounced differently than carry on.

Speaker 1 (01:10:55):
Yeah, carry on, So by carry I don't see.

Speaker 5 (01:10:59):
Carry on, I carry on my you're going to bring
your carry on?

Speaker 1 (01:11:02):
I feel like I carry on. I feel thank you.

Speaker 5 (01:11:04):
No, what I'm saying you just said was wrong.

Speaker 7 (01:11:08):
But Paul, you just said that's not You didn't use
it as a now used it as a verb.

Speaker 3 (01:11:12):
You said, I carry on my bag. That's not what
it is.

Speaker 1 (01:11:16):
It's a carry on my back.

Speaker 5 (01:11:17):
It's my carry on.

Speaker 6 (01:11:18):
It's not my carry on. It's it's my carry on,
my carry on back, my carry on back.

Speaker 3 (01:11:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:11:23):
But but when you say, but, when you say carry on,
I'm not changing carry on, carry on, carry on on
the conversation.

Speaker 5 (01:11:30):
It's my carry on back.

Speaker 6 (01:11:31):
It's I'm saying it the exact, putting.

Speaker 1 (01:11:35):
The carrier the on, Paul, carry on.

Speaker 7 (01:11:37):
It's different. Listen, carry listen, carry on. Carry You put
the emphasis on on.

Speaker 5 (01:11:43):
When it's a verb on, Okay on, I don't, but
you do.

Speaker 1 (01:11:48):
You just don't. You want to admit it, but you do.

Speaker 6 (01:11:50):
I'm you're just being stubbor the whole thing.

Speaker 3 (01:11:52):
I get that hood.

Speaker 5 (01:11:53):
I mean you've got that hood shirt.

Speaker 1 (01:11:55):
And that's why it's stubborn.

Speaker 6 (01:11:57):
That's why it's getting under your skin.

Speaker 1 (01:11:58):
That's another great moment.

Speaker 3 (01:12:03):
All right.

Speaker 7 (01:12:03):
A couple announcements, Douce. You want to show off your boots,
your bront boots. Yeah, I got mine on too.

Speaker 5 (01:12:11):
What I have my bront Co Yeah I didn't know.

Speaker 9 (01:12:13):
I'm sorry, guys.

Speaker 7 (01:12:13):
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Speaker 3 (01:12:29):
When you check out.

Speaker 7 (01:12:30):
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Speaker 3 (01:12:42):
You buy those, you'll see how comfortable they are.

Speaker 1 (01:12:44):
Great. What do you think?

Speaker 3 (01:12:45):
I love them?

Speaker 1 (01:12:45):
I love them.

Speaker 4 (01:12:46):
I just I was you know, I was a little
hesitant to break them out because they look so nice.
But once you start wearing them and your feet get yeah,
attached to them, and I feel I feel pretty good.

Speaker 3 (01:12:53):
But they're almost too nice to work, you know, do working.

Speaker 9 (01:12:56):
We had to explain to Paul today and like, you know,
those are fashion boots.

Speaker 6 (01:13:01):
Those are That's Fred's theory.

Speaker 7 (01:13:04):
So I broke down and I bought another pair of
Bront work boots. The Sullivan's work boots. You can if
you want to use them for work, you can. It's
up to your choice. Also, Bob's has something to say.
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the New England Patriots. And then one more thing I
want to mention is that this is Salute to Service

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Week around the NFL and with the Patriots, and it's
every team honors one person and usually you know a
player that has a service member and a family or
you know, we had Joe Cardona who was actually in
the Navy.

Speaker 1 (01:14:22):
While he was here.

Speaker 7 (01:14:22):
But this year the Patriots honored Fred Waggott, who works
at our security. He's been here for years, you know,
he's been here since nine. He served in the Army
and the Navy. His deep commitment to honoring fellow service members,
especially those who never return home, is reflected in his
every action. For it, It's quiet gestures of remembrance have

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become a meaningful tradition within the Patriots community. After each event,
he thoughtfully places flowers at the pow Mia seat as
a tribute. You can see that in the North End
Zone on Memorial Day he ensures fresh flowers are placed there,
a powerful symbol of his reverence for those loss in service.
When the North End Zone was renovated and the Row

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of Honor relocated, Fred saw an opportunity to preserve and
extended its legacy. Collaborating with Jim Nolan, who's our COO,
he secured the original powm i a seat and arranged
for its permanent display in the town of Foxborough, complete
with a commemorative plaque. So, thanks to his initiative, this

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is the public reminder in Foxborough of the courage and
commitment of those who serve.

Speaker 6 (01:15:33):
Congrats, Yeah, well, very much.

Speaker 1 (01:15:36):
Good for Thread.

Speaker 3 (01:15:37):
We see him around all the time. Great guy. Uh
served in both the Army and the Navy. Really, that's interesting,
I think that was frowned upon. Well you re enlisted.

Speaker 1 (01:15:49):
He enlisted after nine to eleven.

Speaker 3 (01:15:50):
What's up?

Speaker 1 (01:15:51):
Relisted after nine to eleven?

Speaker 5 (01:15:54):
Really where he worked with Nextel and helped get cell
phone service back on in New York after nine eleven.

Speaker 6 (01:16:00):
And guy's done a lot.

Speaker 7 (01:16:01):
Okay, all right, that's great, Wow, that's amazing, good stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:16:05):
Fred Wagott, all right, I believe his full name is Wolfrid.

Speaker 1 (01:16:10):
Oh he's done a real friend?

Speaker 7 (01:16:11):
Is that?

Speaker 3 (01:16:12):
Is that right?

Speaker 1 (01:16:12):
Friedrich? Well, I will confirm I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:16:16):
All right, let's get back to the phone, shall we.
We'll start with Eldred North Carolina? What's up?

Speaker 5 (01:16:25):
Eldred's powerful?

Speaker 6 (01:16:29):
Hey, Hey, Hey, there's a couple of lectures there for
ad Mitchell.

Speaker 3 (01:16:36):
Agree with.

Speaker 5 (01:16:38):
Let's go ahead and go on in.

Speaker 14 (01:16:40):
Hey, but there's a question I saw on the website.

Speaker 19 (01:16:44):
Steven N.

Speaker 14 (01:16:45):
Smith reported, I know during World we didn't sign to
Meccao or ply from the Jets.

Speaker 3 (01:16:54):
Mal what website are you're reading?

Speaker 6 (01:16:58):
He's on Cleveland right?

Speaker 3 (01:17:00):
Yeah?

Speaker 14 (01:17:04):
But now no, but he's a flat guy, He's not.

Speaker 6 (01:17:08):
He's kind of a gadget guy.

Speaker 20 (01:17:09):
Yeah, yeah, something like that.

Speaker 19 (01:17:12):
And that also got a picture of him sitting in
in uh Patriots studio signing like he said in the contract,
I think you Aldred, have y'all seen it?

Speaker 9 (01:17:22):
I think I got got Yeah Smith.

Speaker 3 (01:17:26):
That's a I yeah, well you gotta watch out for that.

Speaker 20 (01:17:32):
Yeah yeah, but Paul, I agree with you, man.

Speaker 14 (01:17:34):
I tell you what, Evan, give a third of green
Bay and give me Christian Watson. I wanted him to
about devil for the outsake.

Speaker 9 (01:17:42):
I have a all right, thanks, eld I think he's
hurt again.

Speaker 1 (01:17:46):
Yeah, let's go to Willem.

Speaker 3 (01:17:48):
Tell him what's up? William. You haven't called in a while.

Speaker 15 (01:17:51):
Yeah, it's been a while.

Speaker 2 (01:17:52):
I'm off to day.

Speaker 15 (01:17:53):
How you doing for it?

Speaker 3 (01:17:54):
Good? Good?

Speaker 11 (01:17:55):
Okay?

Speaker 15 (01:17:57):
My question was not ain't so much even a question?
Is something to take that Paul and Evan had talked about,
which was if I'm saying his name right, you know
what I'm saying, right, Jeremiah Smith from O Higher State
and y'all said, I think Paul words quote basically was
can we get a receiver in a twenty twenty sixth

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draft plan? I know twenty twenty seven is way out there,
but I'm just saying, look, you got a dual thread quarterback.
I don't know how long this rookie good? His deal is,
but don't don't waste it. You know, when you had
Mack Jeneson on him on a rookie deal, you didn't
even really put nothing around him. But now you got
this guy, they just don't waste it, you know what

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I mean? And Johnny and Smith regards to what you
say about him, Evan, you know, he'd be perfect New England.
And we've been waiting for a receiver like this man William.

Speaker 9 (01:18:46):
He's gonna be the first overall pick in the draft.

Speaker 6 (01:18:48):
We love Jeremiah and I don't give a damn.

Speaker 15 (01:18:51):
I'm giving up all my picks to get him.

Speaker 6 (01:18:53):
Okay, Well that's not going to get it.

Speaker 15 (01:18:55):
Back my left tackle. If I got my quarterback, my
left tackle, and whatever else we get this year, why not, Okay?

Speaker 9 (01:19:01):
I just that was the point we were just trying
to make. You know, Patriots are on a trajectory. Now
they're picking in the twenties in twenty twenty seven, like
you're I don't know how you're getting from twenty two
to one. Like that's that point.

Speaker 6 (01:19:16):
We generation absolute stud Okay.

Speaker 15 (01:19:22):
So why so while I was talking about getting joint
Tyson knowing you will be front and then you got
a Tree up.

Speaker 9 (01:19:27):
To go get him. No, I don't think you would. Yeah,
Jordan Tyson's like projected right now to be like a
mid first round pick, probably go somewhere in the teams.
So you know, I mean, you're talking about the Patriots
make the playoffs, like trading up I don't know, five
to ten spots, you know for a guy like Jordan
Tyson from Arizona State. So like, we're not talking about
trade having to trade up into the top three of

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the draft to.

Speaker 15 (01:19:51):
Get him, right, I'm staying all that, and I really do.
It's just that we've been claiming for this number one
for what for how long now? And we passed uff
On Like we could have had Hopkins in this but
in his uh, in his prime. We could have had
digged in this prime, even though we got him later.

Speaker 3 (01:20:09):
You know, we could.

Speaker 15 (01:20:10):
We missed up on dk Mack.

Speaker 2 (01:20:12):
You know, the list goes on and on.

Speaker 15 (01:20:13):
You know, we just missing out every time. But now
he comes this guy that's coming out twenty twenty seven,
and yes, we're gonna be far, We're gonna be far
away from getting them. But I mean, what are you
going to do?

Speaker 11 (01:20:24):
You know?

Speaker 15 (01:20:25):
Yep, I'm just saying you got this dual threat quarterback.

Speaker 11 (01:20:27):
He's on a rookie deal.

Speaker 3 (01:20:28):
Yeah, you know, get him some weapons, is what you're saying.

Speaker 9 (01:20:31):
Yeah, I don't think anybody is disagreeing with that.

Speaker 3 (01:20:33):
All right, thanks.

Speaker 9 (01:20:34):
I don't know how there's not a path to get Jeremiah's.

Speaker 1 (01:20:36):
Not going to get Jeremiah Smith. I guess, yeah, continue
same old thing from the Patriots.

Speaker 5 (01:20:40):
Would I would love to get Jeremiah Smith.

Speaker 9 (01:20:42):
I mean maybe if they you know, commanders it and
they have they go regress, I think that they can
get Jeremiah Smith.

Speaker 1 (01:20:49):
That was that was a verb.

Speaker 5 (01:20:50):
Now I like it, but you also like the whole
premise of well, you have this young quarterback, and well
I pointed out that you can't get him in twenty six.
So it's twenty seven. So now you've ostensibly paid Gonzales
and you're gonna have to pay May. So the whole

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premise is kind of out of whack too. So now
you're going to do that and you're gonna trade god
knows what to move up to get to one from
the twenties if things go well, while.

Speaker 9 (01:21:23):
You're talking about three first round picks, right.

Speaker 5 (01:21:25):
And that's that's all I'm saying, like Jeremiah Smith, there's nobody,
nobody who watches college football that wouldn't say that he's
one of the best players in college football.

Speaker 9 (01:21:34):
It might have been the best player instge football last year. Yeah,
I just when it comes to the receiver, I mean,
if you're talking about May and his ricky contract and
you're talking about paying a veteran receiver with the extra
cap space, you know, next off season going out and
trading for aj Brown, trading for Jaylen Waddle who might
be more available in the off season than he is now,
you know, doing something like that, which we're all for. Like,

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I just you're not getting Jeremiah Smith, Like I didn't.
Let's let's again they have a very bad regression next
year and they end up, you know, missing the playoffs.
Like I guess, maybe we can have that conversation, but
I think that there's a real chance in twenty twenty
seven he goes first overall. So I just don't know
how you're going to be able to pull that off.

Speaker 3 (01:22:18):
Let's go to Andrew in LA what's up, Andrew?

Speaker 11 (01:22:23):
Hey, what's up?

Speaker 8 (01:22:24):
Boys?

Speaker 3 (01:22:24):
Hey?

Speaker 11 (01:22:27):
I wanted to I don't know if this got brought
up earlier in the show.

Speaker 20 (01:22:30):
But I see a huge margin of error that we
didn't have the last few years with various quarterbacks that
were on our team. It kind of dates back to Brady,
where we have this huge margin of era that we
can make all these mistakes and still come out with
a victory. I don't know if you guys have seen

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this recently.

Speaker 1 (01:22:51):
Yeah, we talked.

Speaker 4 (01:22:52):
I mean I think we talked about it, like literally
during the game last week, where I remember leaning back
and saying to Paul, like, it's just different to feel like, oh,
it's third and long, like there's still a chance. Like
last couple of years, it felt like you got the
third and six and it was like, oh boy, this
is gonna be a big ask on this one.

Speaker 5 (01:23:08):
In that regard, I would agree. I think if that
game unfolded the other way around, I would like to
have seen if they were able to win it, if
he had the first half that he had in the
second and not the twenty one point you know, head
start that they had, I would have wondered. I would
have you know, Yeah, it was incredible.

Speaker 9 (01:23:25):
Their ability to gain first downs from long down and
distance second and third down is one of the best
in the league and uncanny like third and thirteen first down,
like they're you know, second and long first down, you
take a sack, second and long first down.

Speaker 5 (01:23:45):
It's that way almost almost all seasons two.

Speaker 6 (01:23:48):
It's not like one or two times.

Speaker 9 (01:23:50):
Yeah, it's incredible how they've been able to do that.

Speaker 7 (01:23:52):
Thanks Andrew. Brian's in Delaware. Hey Brian, how you guys doing.

Speaker 19 (01:24:02):
I wanted to ask this, since Kayshawn Booty might be out,
do you think Pop Douglas is going to have a
bigger season coming into this Bucks game?

Speaker 1 (01:24:12):
No, I think it might be Kyle Williams. And that's
what Mike Rabel kind of said yesterday that you know,
it was a Friday.

Speaker 5 (01:24:18):
Is Yesterday he said that Booty's day to day. We
should probably update that. Booty himself on one of these
media the kids. Sorry, he said, nothing to worry about,
just a Grade one hamstring strain.

Speaker 9 (01:24:35):
What does that mean?

Speaker 5 (01:24:37):
That's the least said yesterday that he will be definitely
missing some practice time early in this week. So maybe
we'll see if he can get back out in the
practice field Thursday or more likely maybe Friday. I'm kind of,
as Fred likes to say, I'm not counting on him
for Sunday. Based on the way that Mike sounded, it's

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going to give Kyle Williams more of an opportunity. I
wouldn't expect him to be a big part of the
passing games game.

Speaker 7 (01:25:05):
Maybe Booty would go, but we got a lot of
football left and they're gonna need him, so I would
air on the side of caution with him.

Speaker 9 (01:25:12):
So there's three grades to hamstring injuries one, two, three.
One is considered mild, three is considered severe. Based off
the report in Christian Gonzales had a Grade three hamstring
strain in training camp. That is a usually around a
six week four to six week injury. UH grade one
ham string it can it can only be like a

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week or two that you know that they end up missing.
But the tricky part about ham strings is that you
can make a hamstring worse. So if you come back
to quickly and then you play on a ify hamstring,
then you can actually tearn a Grade one into a
Grade three right awfully quickly, unlike other injuries.

Speaker 5 (01:25:52):
My opinion, only no one's told me this. I think
that's what happened to Christian Gonzalez, because if you remember.

Speaker 3 (01:25:58):
The initial to come back to.

Speaker 5 (01:25:59):
The initial report on Gonzalez was day to day, turned
out to be two months. Yeah, I think something like
Evan just described probably happened to Christian.

Speaker 3 (01:26:08):
Camillo from Hartford.

Speaker 7 (01:26:12):
After the win over Cleveland, Drake May said, we haven't
been able to put together a full game, and honestly true,
awards have never been mumbled over a Gatorade cooler.

Speaker 3 (01:26:21):
Every week.

Speaker 7 (01:26:22):
It's like the team is playing whack a mole. The
offense pops up, the defense ducks special teams. Well, they're
the one friend who shows up late to the party
but still wants credit for being there the whole time.

Speaker 3 (01:26:33):
So what are you guys.

Speaker 7 (01:26:34):
Seeing that's keeping this team from stringing together a full
sixty minutes of complimentary football?

Speaker 3 (01:26:39):
Is it growing pains?

Speaker 7 (01:26:41):
A lack of discipline that makes you wonder if someone
skipped team meetings or did the football guys just forget
to send the memo about playing all three phases at
the same time.

Speaker 9 (01:26:51):
It's really hard to do.

Speaker 4 (01:26:53):
Yeah, Like, it's not like every other team in the
NFL that are all put in sixteen minutes and you
and you're right, it's a young team.

Speaker 3 (01:26:58):
But it's talent.

Speaker 7 (01:26:59):
But I Also you got to look at who the
opponents are sometimes the other in a given game, you know,
like for example, we play the Falcons this game. They
have a good pass defense and so that showed up,
and other games you might play a team that doesn't,
but they have with Mike.

Speaker 5 (01:27:18):
You know, like people are looking for something that's probably
not they're not prepared for yet.

Speaker 6 (01:27:23):
But they're good enough to play sixty minute games.

Speaker 9 (01:27:25):
But they're also like the game's over by the third quarter.

Speaker 5 (01:27:28):
And that's been a couple of times.

Speaker 9 (01:27:30):
So I'm just saying, like against the Titans against the Browns,
like I.

Speaker 5 (01:27:34):
Would count those as sixty minute games.

Speaker 9 (01:27:37):
I think they played like.

Speaker 5 (01:27:41):
Miami. They're not good enough to just dominate these teams
for sixty minutes. Even though those teams aren't good, I
don't think they're good enough to just say we're so
much better than these teams, we're gonna beat them. But
Cleveland and Tennessee, they would bet they would they were
good enough to do that too. They weren't good enough
to do that every game.

Speaker 4 (01:27:59):
I how many teams aren't like right now, and then
usually the teams that do it string it together at
the end, and then those are the teams that make
a Super Bowl run.

Speaker 1 (01:28:07):
You know, it's you're always shooting for it.

Speaker 5 (01:28:09):
I agree with you.

Speaker 6 (01:28:10):
It's a hard thing to do.

Speaker 1 (01:28:12):
It's a hard expectation to hold them against.

Speaker 5 (01:28:14):
I think the Patriots have played pretty consistently at a
pretty high level. But I think they're getting the most
out of what they have on a pretty consistent basis.

Speaker 9 (01:28:23):
I do think it's interesting though. You know, they're at
like twenty six a game right now, it's top ten
in the league. But they're right around the same scoring
every single week. Unless they get like a defensive touchdown,
they score.

Speaker 5 (01:28:34):
In the low twenties every game. Yeah, I agree with
you one thousand percent.

Speaker 9 (01:28:37):
So to the emailer's point, I this is one of
those games against Atlanta that you would have liked to
have seen them put together one more touchdown drive to
get it to thirty one, thirty somewhere around there and
not would have really probably put this game away. They
only have eight points in the second half right now.
I like to think they missed the extra point, so
it's not a tie game. Like I'd like to think

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that Drake May he just takes them down the field
and wins the game. If it's twenty four to twenty four,
but he didn't have to so it had opportunity to
present itself. But it is true they kind of hover
right around those the mid twenties.

Speaker 3 (01:29:11):
Sam and Charlotte.

Speaker 7 (01:29:12):
Congratulations to Fred for correctly predicting Park a Roma would
miss an extra point. Congratulations to the Falcons for missing
the extra point and losing the game to get a
higher draft pick because they knew they were not going
to the super Bowl. Oh, I don't think that's what happened.
I don't think that's what happened. So a lot of

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a lot of emails, tons of emails.

Speaker 1 (01:29:35):
People are interesting.

Speaker 5 (01:29:37):
Yeah, maybe reads. So it's so, Freddy, I got a chance.
I met a listener last night. You know, you met
a listener that the Northeastern bu basketball game. The play
by play guy for Nesson Gentleman named Alex Vaspoli came
up to me and said said hello, and said, I'm big,
big pu fan.

Speaker 6 (01:29:57):
I listened all the time.

Speaker 5 (01:29:58):
He's got a one year old at home, so he
can't all he's participated in the show. He can't call
in and stuff, but uh yeah, he loves what we do.
He listens to us all the time, faithful listener, Thank you. Unfortunately,
the bad guy was.

Speaker 7 (01:30:09):
The game that you were at last night at Matthews. Yes,
so do you have like a seat that your seat
and you go and everyone comes in.

Speaker 5 (01:30:17):
So there was a little of that last night. I'm
not gonna lie. And we haven't been we haven't been
to a game a lot, but my brother and I went.
We we did not We did not go to a
single game last year, and people were.

Speaker 3 (01:30:28):
Like people people know d'angelo's move.

Speaker 5 (01:30:31):
No, no, just kids don't want to go anymore and
get tied up with things you know now that the
kids are in school, like there's just ye called rich,
I said, you want to go and ended up being
a disaster because someone intentionally hit us with their car
on the way into the game last night. Seriously, I'm
not exaggerating. Someone intentionally hit us. Not the whole front

(01:30:51):
bumper of my brother's car off intentionally. Yes, he pulled
up beside him very angrily and slammed himself into the
side of my brother.

Speaker 3 (01:31:00):
This car, you're kidding, called assault brother? No, did you
call the police?

Speaker 12 (01:31:06):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:31:06):
I mean everything, and then he and then he took off.

Speaker 21 (01:31:10):
He had this vacant stare the first time. I told him,
he's nodding, he's naught. You're like, let me spell it
out for it, and he took it. He took off,
and you got his plate and he took off. I
took a picture of his plate. My brother called nine
one one nice and they already got him. The police
have been in touch with my brother, so they got
the guy's insurance.

Speaker 3 (01:31:29):
You know who he is, Like, where's he from?

Speaker 5 (01:31:30):
No, I'm not not getting into that because we didn't
chase him down because of fear.

Speaker 3 (01:31:36):
No, I know the guy's are not.

Speaker 1 (01:31:37):
But yes, I didn't know.

Speaker 6 (01:31:38):
I didn't know what we're going to be looking at.

Speaker 4 (01:31:40):
So I mean, I asked Paul, if that had been
the Perlo brothers back in like eighties, nineties, we might
have had guys.

Speaker 6 (01:31:47):
So I'm not really exactly sure.

Speaker 5 (01:31:49):
We took a turn. We took a left onto mass
av and we we got over to the left because
it gets kind of congested in that area. It's by
the boss in Medical Center and Method one mile, you know,
so there's a lot of activity down there, and we
tried to get over to the left because we're going straight.
A lot of people are taking that right, a lot

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of people are going into the hospital and whatnot, and
all of a sudden, the guy just beeps his horn
and then he speeds up, like we cut him off,
And I don't think we did, but you know, I
don't know. I wasn't driving. I was probably just not
really paying attention. My brother was driving, and he sped
up right next to us. My brother kind of hit

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the brake a little bit, and the guy just barreled,
and I mean he intentionally hit our car with his
He had a big black pickup truck, you know, full
will joe, you know, so he didn't care. And the
whole front of my brother's SUV, the whole front bumper
and the grill gone.

Speaker 1 (01:32:49):
Wow.

Speaker 5 (01:32:49):
When we were driving back the other way, I said,
slow down here when we're able to find a bumper.

Speaker 6 (01:32:54):
He was not amused.

Speaker 11 (01:32:55):
That sucks.

Speaker 3 (01:32:57):
But that's weird, that's wild.

Speaker 6 (01:33:00):
It was weird.

Speaker 5 (01:33:01):
And then we've got a little afraid, not gonna lie.
We're like, I don't know what.

Speaker 6 (01:33:05):
This guy, this guy you're gonna carry or something.

Speaker 1 (01:33:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:33:08):
Yeah, so we just kind of we we we waited
for the cop who was supposed to come, and then
we waited for like five minutes and people like coming
up to the car and my brother I ain't waiting
around him anymore. We went to the game.

Speaker 3 (01:33:20):
Wow that's something. Yeah, well, let me know what happens.
I want to who find out who this guy is?

Speaker 1 (01:33:26):
Justice.

Speaker 6 (01:33:27):
I'm not going to be telling what the guy is.

Speaker 3 (01:33:29):
What do you mean?

Speaker 6 (01:33:30):
I'm not gonna lie. Was it spooked me?

Speaker 3 (01:33:33):
Okay?

Speaker 6 (01:33:33):
It was kind of scared assaulted?

Speaker 9 (01:33:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:33:36):
Yeah, it's like you know, magnum p I out there,
you know, I speak car chase guys crashing his own
stinking car to like.

Speaker 9 (01:33:46):
He had a big pickup.

Speaker 6 (01:33:48):
Just I think my brother has a I mean, my
brother's SUV is not small.

Speaker 3 (01:33:54):
Maybe he recognized you and heard you on the radio.

Speaker 1 (01:33:58):
Another listener and done like to show that one.

Speaker 3 (01:34:00):
Yeah it wasn't Andy Hart, was it?

Speaker 11 (01:34:03):
It was.

Speaker 1 (01:34:05):
Boro?

Speaker 5 (01:34:06):
All right? I have an Andy Hart story for you.
Off the air though, Oh off the air all right?

Speaker 11 (01:34:11):
Uh?

Speaker 7 (01:34:11):
Thor Door from Iceland rights in Happy Victory Tuesday from Iceland.
I thought this game became unnecessarily close, and as was
said in the postgame show, the game should have been
closed out by halftime. But a win is a win,
and we'll take it. I was wondering what type of
snowblowers are you working with. I live in a snow
area in Iceland and I'm looking to buying a snowblow.

(01:34:33):
You've got to arrans. You gotta take Aarons, a R
I E N s now. I don't know if they're
sold in Europe, might be under a different name, but
Aarons is where you want to go. Let me tell
you I bought what you have. Yeah, I bought an
Aarons years ago when I lived in Rentham. I don't
have a garage or a shed big enough to put,

(01:34:55):
you know, a big machine, so it's been sitting outside
for i'd say seven years. Still runs like a top,
still runs covered up though I have a cover for it,
but that doesn't do much.

Speaker 9 (01:35:07):
Are they a sponsor?

Speaker 11 (01:35:08):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (01:35:09):
Absolutely, I wouldn't.

Speaker 7 (01:35:13):
Absolutely a sponsor. And I'm not saying that I bought
Like I said, I bought this like seven years ago.

Speaker 4 (01:35:18):
And the guys calling it from Iceland too, and it's
going to be a serious machine up there, I would assume.

Speaker 1 (01:35:22):
Yeah, it's about a snow I mean that's literally Iceland. Well,
actually Greenland is more icy than Iceland. Did you know
that still Vikings thing.

Speaker 6 (01:35:30):
Yeah, in fact, we know with a rightful lair to
the throne.

Speaker 3 (01:35:38):
Let's see somebody wants to talk about dead cap money.
I don't think we want to go there.

Speaker 9 (01:35:43):
I'm more than happy to man's plain dead cat this guy.

Speaker 7 (01:35:51):
I'm pleased to report that at the Celtics game last night,
I did not run backwards into Drake and Will like
I did to Ravees and r KK earlier this year
at the celt Unfortunately, they couldn't pull out a win,
but it was great to see the two of them
locked into the game and court side from start to finish.

Speaker 9 (01:36:07):
That's true on both accounts.

Speaker 3 (01:36:09):
You weren't there.

Speaker 9 (01:36:10):
I was not at this one. Now I was watching
all right, good Drake Heights. Pretty disheartening.

Speaker 7 (01:36:18):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:36:18):
Back to the phones we go. Dan Is in Daytona.

Speaker 14 (01:36:21):
Hey Dan, any how's it going, guys?

Speaker 16 (01:36:25):
How you doing?

Speaker 8 (01:36:25):
Fred?

Speaker 12 (01:36:25):
Paul?

Speaker 3 (01:36:26):
Hey? Alex?

Speaker 14 (01:36:28):
Hey, So I got a couple of tips for you
guys today.

Speaker 1 (01:36:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 14 (01:36:32):
I try to call it on a Sunday when during
the post game, Well, I do want to agree with
you when you were talking about on Sunday you and Mike.
I wasn't overly impressed.

Speaker 4 (01:36:42):
With the.

Speaker 14 (01:36:44):
How the defense played throughout the game. They were just
kind of wildly inconsistent. I felt, uh, I just felt
like they, well, I guess the whole team in general
kind of took a rest after the first half.

Speaker 15 (01:36:55):
But uh, I think what I.

Speaker 14 (01:36:57):
Think Mike was staying on Sunday, like some of the
players like chased on him. He was looking like an
all pro. And then just towards the end of the game,
they just died off. And that's kind of why I've
been for the I've been saying for the past month
that I've been calling in that they really need to
make a push for I mean, if they think this
year's they have potential to goal. I mean, I know

(01:37:18):
everyone's saying, oh they won't, they won't go deep in
the playoffs, but maybe they won't make the playoffs. But
I really think they just needed to bite the bullet.
I'd hate to see them give up a first round
just because I would rather than wait and collect more
picks like they did this past draft, you know, moving
around the board and stacking up picks. So I like

(01:37:39):
them in one way to not give up a first round,
but I really do want them to get a pass
rush of year just because you know, if any of
those guys goes down, we have no depth, we're essentially screwed.
And then we're just kind of watching the playoffs like
everybody else on our couch. So I would like them to,
you know, the front office, I know, know, follow your guys,

(01:38:01):
clown Elliot Wolf, but I don't know if his office
his guys will actually you know, pull a plug on it.
But I would like to see them do that. And
then for the offense, I don't think there's too much
at this point that they could do. Maybe adding Breeze Hall,
but I just really don't think that actually would happen,
but i'd be I would probably be shocked if they did.

(01:38:25):
I think that would be good if they did. Add that,
you have another dynamic on the offense, and then you
add a good pass rusher on the defense. I think
that will help their chances. But I just see the
Patriots kind of just patching it together and making it work.
But I just don't want to see them, you know,
sitting on their couch watching the postseason like everybody else.

Speaker 3 (01:38:44):
All right, thanks with call, Dan, need want to move,
we want moves.

Speaker 9 (01:38:50):
I think pass rush depth is a fair concern I
don't really know where this narrative is coming from that
their pass rush has been bad, So I think that
may that might be anecdotal, and I that's fair. Maybe
I just think like Vrabel's been somewhat curtic.

Speaker 1 (01:39:08):
People have been completing a lot of passage.

Speaker 4 (01:39:10):
Yeah, and it just never like and I like, such
a this is not about near pressure, Like I am
sowing this right now, like you're right, like all the
numbers look good, and then I've watched all the games
and it's like, how many times recently did you feel
like a quarterback was uncomfortable?

Speaker 5 (01:39:23):
Like I'm saying that he agrees with me. On Sunday,
I thought the defense played pretty well on Sunday, I
was disappointed in the eighty five yard touchdown drive. Now,
in fairness, that also included a huge penalty that took
a third and ten away. It was a second and ten,
it would have set up third and ten. It gave
him a first down and then two fourth down conversion.
So it's not like they just let walk Yeah, but

(01:39:46):
it's not like they just let him walk down the
field like it was a good drive by Atlanta. I'm
you know, I'm giving them credit for doing it otherwise.
I thought the Patriots defense played pretty well on Sunday.
You know, you can't fault them. Much like I always
take away the offensive points for the Patriots when they
take over inside the five yard line, I'm not going
to hang out on the defense, right when when you
know the Falcons take over in the six that's not

(01:40:07):
that's not the defense's fault, right. I mean, yeah, you'd
like to see the red zone defense be a little
bit better. They're last in the league, but I think
they played pretty well Sunday. The pressure I think has
been very sporadic. I know you're probably gonna point to
some numbers that that Mike is talking about. I don't
think they affect the quarterback that often. Sunday I thought

(01:40:27):
they did. I thought they got the ball out of Pennix's.

Speaker 3 (01:40:30):
Hands a couple of times, especially the second half.

Speaker 9 (01:40:32):
I just think that, you know, it's all it marries, right,
Like you to have good pressure, you also need to
have good coverage, and to have good coverage, you need
to have.

Speaker 5 (01:40:42):
Good pressure that's avable.

Speaker 9 (01:40:43):
So I like the pressures U there pressure rate, you know,
their win rate like all of that is really really good.
But you can't blame the defensive line for the fact
that there's open guys down the field to alleviate the pressure.

Speaker 7 (01:41:00):
But so the type of pressure that they're generating, especially
up the middle, it's perfect if you had that edge
guy because he'd be cleaning up that like crazy sure,
and that pressure would he'd be having fifteen sacks a year.

Speaker 9 (01:41:13):
I guess, So I just I look at it a
little bit differently. I guess I think the issue that
they're having is that the ball is coming out too
quick because there's open guys, so and the ball's coming
out as quick as it is. I don't care who
you have rush in the passer like we saw this
with Brady for twenty years, Like when the ball's coming out, like,
there's no way that that pressure that they're generating is

(01:41:37):
going to turn into sacks unless the coverage is making
the quarterback hold the ball. So you know, you look
at you know, the numbers like their eleventh in pressure rate,
their top ten and time to pressure, their top ten
and win rate like they they're pressure they are winning
up front more times than not. What they're not doing

(01:41:58):
is you don't see the can consistent marriage of we
have tight coverage down the field that's making the quarterback
go through progressions and hold the football with the pressure
and marrying that up. So you could argue that you
could go out and get an edge rusher that can
clean up and take advantage of Barmore and Williams on
the inside, or you could argue that they need to

(01:42:20):
cover better.

Speaker 7 (01:42:21):
I mean, that's what we thought might happen with Keon
White this year, but it didn't. And you know, we're
hoping Chase on you know, Chason has been pretty good.
Landry's kind of fallen off a little bit.

Speaker 1 (01:42:36):
He might be a little banged up.

Speaker 6 (01:42:37):
Yeah, I think that no Lan since the no Onans
gave me, hasn't been the same guy.

Speaker 3 (01:42:41):
Yeah, he's I think he's playing hard.

Speaker 9 (01:42:43):
Yeah, I just I don't know. I think that this
is one that I'm gonna maybe just be on an
island on. I just when I watched them play, I
don't have concerns about them winning up front. They stopped
to run, they get off blocks, they get pressure on
the quarterback. You know, Penick's under pressure for forty five
percent of the time in this game. They just they

(01:43:03):
haven't covered particularly great. Yeah, And I think when you
don't cover, like these quarterbacks are good enough that they
can make throws under pressure.

Speaker 1 (01:43:11):
Yeah, do you think it's anything to do with a
new play caller? And maybe I don't know. I just
sometimes it feels like.

Speaker 4 (01:43:19):
First second down, there's a lot of easy throws, and
you know, to your point, like, I just I find
this fascinating, like everything you're saying, and you know, looking
at it myself, of you're right, like all the numbers
match up and it looks good sometimes. But you know,
at the same time, I felt like some of these quarterbacks,
young guys have established a rhythm and just felt comfortable
and haven't felt like you know, I just I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:43:39):
I don't know what the answer is. I think you're right.
But at the same time, I'm like.

Speaker 4 (01:43:42):
Christian Gonzalez, by the way, that was just awesome to
watch that back him going against Drake London, back and
forth to really good players you want. You know, we're
talking a couple of years whether or not they should
resign Gunzale.

Speaker 1 (01:43:52):
Some people might say.

Speaker 4 (01:43:53):
They won't, but like I think this game is a
great example of this is why you need a guy
like Christian Gonzalez to at least make it competitive, but
Marcus Jones just won Defensive Player of the Month, you know,
so you have really two top of the line cornerbacks,
and so we point to the line back.

Speaker 12 (01:44:07):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:44:07):
I don't know what the answer is, and I'm not
saying Evan's wrong or anything. I just there's so much
going on right now with this defense that I can't
exactly tell you if they're great or if they're very
flawed and can get exposed.

Speaker 9 (01:44:18):
I think the biggest thing with you know, that I
was encouraged about with this game, is this the first
time where I've really seen them dictate matchups defensively. Gonzales
shadowed Drake London for most of the game until he
got hurt, and then they also had some cool things
with Bijeon, like when Bijon flexed out, Marcus Jones was
covering Bijon and so they had Marcus Jones shadowing. He

(01:44:40):
had eight catches, but they were for like fifty yards. Yeah,
it wasn't a lot of yardage. And so every time
Bijon flexed out out of the backfield as a receiver,
he got Marcus Jones. So they haven't really been shadowing
receivers like that as much this year, and I think
the best man coverage defenses in particular do that to

(01:45:01):
manage the matchup so that you don't get stuck with
Christian Gonzalez covering their third receiver and now you know
Marcus Jones and Drake London, so like that's sort of
you know the goal there. So I thought that this happen.
That happened a lot better. They did a lot better
in this game with Dad and you know, outside of
the red zone, Pennix was one for seven against man

(01:45:23):
coverage in this game. The one was the bomb to
London after Gonzales left the game. The twenty five yarder
towards the end of the game was on Carlton Davis.
So I think they did a lot better at managing matchups.
There was a lot more like low help and robber
help within the man coverage structures. So this was, to me,
was a step in the right direction from a man

(01:45:45):
coverage standpoint, and now you just hope that they can
keep that going.

Speaker 7 (01:45:48):
Andrew in La says I hung up on him before
he was able to share this stat before Sunday. Teams
that forced six sacks, forced two takeaways through three passing
touchdowns committed zero turnovers were forty four and oh since
nineteen sixty four.

Speaker 3 (01:46:05):
Yeah, now they're forty four and one.

Speaker 5 (01:46:06):
How do I hate those?

Speaker 3 (01:46:08):
Why?

Speaker 1 (01:46:09):
I think that's a great stat I think it was
thank you Andrew.

Speaker 9 (01:46:11):
If it was raining it was it a Monday night
or is it Sunday?

Speaker 6 (01:46:15):
You know sons?

Speaker 11 (01:46:16):
Like is it?

Speaker 4 (01:46:17):
Like?

Speaker 1 (01:46:17):
What did you think of Davis on that play?

Speaker 3 (01:46:19):
Though?

Speaker 1 (01:46:19):
Like he just kind of kept running like it was
kind of weird. I was like, where's he going?

Speaker 9 (01:46:23):
Yeah, I mean to his you know, defense, like his
extended player.

Speaker 12 (01:46:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:46:27):
No, it seemed like he thought the play was over.

Speaker 5 (01:46:29):
It was kind of like slowing down and was like,
oh yeah, but yeah, it's late in the show. I
want to be snarky Paul so bad?

Speaker 1 (01:46:37):
Well does you can be?

Speaker 11 (01:46:40):
So?

Speaker 5 (01:46:40):
The stat also include snapping the ball when they when
they when they're not ready, missing an extra point and
it doesn't matter it happened, but that this is my point,
is like you're only talking about good things that the
team I know, but they're not talking about them litany
of bad things that they did.

Speaker 3 (01:46:54):
They had forty four other chances to do that, and
we were the first team to do it. Yeah, forty five,
I should say, hang the banner, Bart and Poland you
can be stocky about this one too.

Speaker 7 (01:47:04):
Sorry, Paul, But the play in the game wasn't an
OPI on Hollins on that last.

Speaker 6 (01:47:10):
Play, I don't think it was.

Speaker 7 (01:47:11):
The NFL rulebook says offensive pass and appearance rules apply
from the time the ball has snapped until the ball
is touched. Hollins makes contact with the defender at the
very same moment as Henry touches.

Speaker 5 (01:47:21):
I'm going to reiterate that I don't think that that
should be called offensive passing appearance. I said that Sunday
and I'll say it again today, so you will agree
with me. Bart.

Speaker 9 (01:47:28):
It was a very well executed play.

Speaker 3 (01:47:30):
I thought so.

Speaker 9 (01:47:31):
It was a bang bang, but it was very well executed.

Speaker 5 (01:47:34):
And Fred made the point of let's just say, for
argument's sake, Mac Collins isn't even there. The guy wasn't
anywhere close to agree hunter Henry.

Speaker 9 (01:47:43):
That was the other thing that I was going to
say that that.

Speaker 5 (01:47:46):
Was why I don't think it should even be considered
to be passing affairance. But I just said, the referee
can't take that into consideration.

Speaker 9 (01:47:52):
Now he gets the first down without the pick. He
gets seventeen yards because of the pick. Now it doesn't matter,
you know, the yards doesn't really end up mattering. But
I thought it was a They ran a little differently
this time. They kind of ran it as like a
five step under instead of a slant, and that, like
a little bit of extra time made it legal. If
they ran it as a slant, that would have been

(01:48:14):
a pick.

Speaker 5 (01:48:14):
And I would just argue that I've seen that called
many times. I don't want it called. I hate the referees.
That's why Brad Allen and his crewe got a special
list on the good List because he let them play. Yeah,
that crew obviously lived up to their reputation of being
one of the least penalized, and I.

Speaker 3 (01:48:34):
Didn't see any outrageous things that weren't called.

Speaker 5 (01:48:36):
No, the game somehow managed to unfold and anarchy didn't
ensue because they didn't call a penalty on every play.

Speaker 7 (01:48:44):
Scott wants to know, simply, where are the screens? Where
are the screens for the Patriots?

Speaker 5 (01:48:51):
They run some screens, they don't run them very well,
say do you watch? Yeah, they tried a couple every week.

Speaker 9 (01:48:57):
They did run a good one down field screen, but
they ran when they got nineteen yards on their opening drive,
they kind of put west over, they flexed west over out,
and they ran a little swing pass to Henderson that
essentially is a screen. It gets thrown.

Speaker 5 (01:49:12):
They tried another one to Henderson in the red zone
that got blown up for like a yard. They tried
another one that almost ended up in a pick six,
and luckily Will Campbell was bothering Jalen Walker in mouth.

Speaker 9 (01:49:22):
See I didn't like that throw.

Speaker 6 (01:49:23):
Yeah, Oh, that was a terrible throw. That was one
of the shaky Drake throws.

Speaker 7 (01:49:26):
Yeah, you can't make that, Tim, and Boston writes in
he says, I'm okay with some of the sacks when
the first few reads aren't there. Drake often tries to
go straight through the middle of the lineup field, and
he's taking quite a few sacks where he gets caught
from behind and falls forward for a loss of a
few yards. I'm okay with this particular type of sack
because when they don't catch him, he can usually turn

(01:49:48):
it into a first down run. The sacks where he
holds it for too long or a problem, and I'd
rather see him throw it away or try to run.

Speaker 9 (01:49:57):
Yeah, I don't know. I've already said my piece on
the sacks. I want to see him play quarterback.

Speaker 5 (01:50:02):
Yeah, Like in general, I like to throw away.

Speaker 4 (01:50:03):
That's what was most exciting about, you know, a few
games ago, when it really felt like it was all
clicking and he was making through the progressions and he
wasn't so quick to bail and you know, that to
me was the biggest positive sign.

Speaker 1 (01:50:13):
Hopefully he came back to it.

Speaker 5 (01:50:14):
If it's third down and you got to make a play,
and you try to make a play and you get sacked, okay,
first down, just throw it away. Yeah, I don't need
you to take out unnecessary hits to set up second
and twelve.

Speaker 4 (01:50:24):
Is this one of those things too, where it's because
Drake knows he's athletic, it's harder for him to do
the Brady thing where it's like, oh, this is dead,
I'm just dropping.

Speaker 6 (01:50:30):
He keeps saying that.

Speaker 5 (01:50:31):
Now, he keeps saying, I have to remember that this
is the NFL and I can't outrun all of these
guys like I did in college. He has said that
several times over the last same month, some some like
variation of that.

Speaker 9 (01:50:43):
If there weren't open receivers, like I wouldn't be as
harsh on him about it, Like there's just too much
the tape is a tape, Like there's just guys open
that he's passing up to try to run.

Speaker 3 (01:50:54):
Joe and Michigan.

Speaker 7 (01:50:55):
On this point, May not seeing a wide open receiver
is way too critical in my opinion. On any given play,
quarterback will not see all there is to see, especially
one who knows his O line can hold up for
only so long. Patriots oline is too porous in spots
to give May and McDaniels any other option than get
the ball rid of the ball quickly. When in the

(01:51:16):
rare occasion this kid has a good pocket, he simply
does not miss I just like.

Speaker 9 (01:51:22):
I'm sorry, but like like I'm not asking him to
go through to the fifth read in the progression, Like
if you have one to two, I can't ask him
to go one to two. Like is he in high school?
Like we're talking about an NFL quarterback, Like if we're
not talking about they take.

Speaker 6 (01:51:39):
Long like nine.

Speaker 1 (01:51:40):
Look at this guy way over here, he's.

Speaker 9 (01:51:42):
Won right right, Like we're not we're not talking about
the Madden thing where it's like press B, press B, No,
like we're talking about progressions and quarterbacks going through progressions.
Like I understand that we can't like ever come at
Drake at for anything, but it's just like I want
to see him, you know, get better at these types

(01:52:03):
of things. And I just think that for the large
part of the last two or three games at least,
that we keep talking about the same thing.

Speaker 4 (01:52:10):
Yeah, that's the bottom line for me. And I said
it on our show. He took thirty four sacks last
year and whatever it was nine games. He's there in
thirteen games, he's taken thirty four sacks already. So it's
just he's getting hit too much, like and whatever it
is going through progressions or you know, knowing when to
just hit the turf and live to fight another day.

Speaker 1 (01:52:27):
Those are things to preserve him over the course of,
you know, an entire seventeen game plus playoff season.

Speaker 9 (01:52:32):
Like I'm not gonna win. The crossing routes wide open
right in front of him and he passes it up
and takes a sack Like that's I'm sorry, I'm not
gonna say. You know, Oh, well, there's a million things
going yeah, Like it's the NFL quarterback play, Like there's
the muddy pocket. It's things they're moving. Fact that stood
out to.

Speaker 4 (01:52:48):
Me about the Digs thing was like, you know, we
were watching it and it was like you could just
tell pre snap like yeah, dis is just gonna run
a little slant. He's gonna be wide open right here,
and you know it's like and then he takes a
sack and you're like, damn.

Speaker 1 (01:52:58):
It was there like even we you know, I know
where yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:53:04):
Uh, someone thinks Matt Judan would be perfect for what
we need.

Speaker 9 (01:53:08):
Maybe three years ago.

Speaker 1 (01:53:10):
I don't know about that. I mean, I just this,
I don't know, it's different.

Speaker 3 (01:53:16):
Let's see Paul in the colony.

Speaker 7 (01:53:18):
Please tell Paul and his brother to stop saying that
guy intentionally struck their suv. Intentional acts of violence are
not covered by insurance. Random acts of stupidity are.

Speaker 6 (01:53:29):
It is being covered by insurance. And it was intentional.

Speaker 5 (01:53:32):
And the cop informed my brother that saying that he could.

Speaker 3 (01:53:39):
File charges.

Speaker 9 (01:53:40):
That's right, it's a salt.

Speaker 5 (01:53:42):
Yeah, now we're not going to do that.

Speaker 1 (01:53:44):
Why not?

Speaker 5 (01:53:46):
I had already told you fear, don't.

Speaker 1 (01:53:48):
Be afraid, Paul sue.

Speaker 5 (01:53:50):
Everybody'll sue you. Do you own a piece he drove
his do you think the answer to that is, I
don't know. What do you think the odds are of
me peeing myself if I held a piece or just
not holding a piece.

Speaker 6 (01:54:08):
I'm a lover, not a fighter. I leave that to
my son.

Speaker 1 (01:54:12):
But Rich was like, open the glove compartment.

Speaker 5 (01:54:16):
I'm driving, Rich, what is this?

Speaker 1 (01:54:19):
Rich?

Speaker 5 (01:54:20):
We're going after this guy?

Speaker 9 (01:54:24):
I've seen you angry before.

Speaker 5 (01:54:28):
I've been in a fight since like the third grade. Wow,
probably high school.

Speaker 9 (01:54:32):
I heard one of the old Patriot fight away.

Speaker 6 (01:54:39):
That's true, But I don't think the other guy thought
we were fighting.

Speaker 5 (01:54:42):
He was too drunk.

Speaker 3 (01:54:44):
Is that the story is?

Speaker 21 (01:54:44):
Not?

Speaker 6 (01:54:49):
My brother told me, but my brother was.

Speaker 5 (01:54:51):
That's the comment. The common Denominator and all of these
Rich's present. Don't punch up. You're fighting against gravity pulling
down and will punch.

Speaker 6 (01:54:58):
Down on it.

Speaker 7 (01:55:01):
Brother, brother, That's what they taught Anakin. Always take the
high point in a fight.

Speaker 1 (01:55:06):
I mean Toddham is putting it lightly.

Speaker 9 (01:55:07):
I have the high ground.

Speaker 1 (01:55:08):
You learned that lesson by losing his legs.

Speaker 9 (01:55:11):
That's right.

Speaker 7 (01:55:13):
That one Boston fans says positives. We played the Jets
twice without sauce. Now negatives. The Jets have two first
round picks to build upon positive.

Speaker 3 (01:55:22):
It's the Jets.

Speaker 11 (01:55:22):
The Jets.

Speaker 1 (01:55:23):
You guys saw they got ad Mitchell two first.

Speaker 7 (01:55:28):
Yeah, so nothing get rid of h. Wilson, all right,
that I didn't see that. Sorry, Mark, we'll go right
to you now. Mark's in Connecticut.

Speaker 3 (01:55:42):
Hey, Mark, Oh, thanks for taking my call.

Speaker 19 (01:55:45):
I don't know if you guys talked about this earlier,
but what a joke of the Atlanta Falcons accusing us
of clapping during the last snap. I mean, I've looked
at display, Evan. I've looked at display several several times,
and I have not seen anybody on the Defense clap.
And I just wanted to get your guys' take. Did
you guys see anybody clapp.

Speaker 7 (01:56:07):
Yes, yes, Jayalen Hawkins clap, but he was clapping at
Davis to get his attention. And Evan, I think if
you rewind the show, or if you didn't catch it, Mark,
earlier in the show, Evan explained it. I think you know,
he doesn't know for a fact one hundred percent, but
I think what he says makes perfect sense as to
what transpired.

Speaker 3 (01:56:26):
And that's why everybody moved except for the right guard.

Speaker 5 (01:56:29):
And that's why Raheem Morris backtracked because he probably watched
the same thing and said, that's ridiculous. There's no reason
why you would snap the ball because of that clapping, right.

Speaker 6 (01:56:38):
I think that's why the coach Rahie Morris.

Speaker 7 (01:56:40):
Was just being told by his players. He repeated it
after further review. Like Paul said, he backtracked.

Speaker 5 (01:56:47):
That wouldn't be surprised if he actually called.

Speaker 1 (01:56:50):
Mark, I agree with you.

Speaker 7 (01:56:51):
They're all against it us. Everybody hates us, the networks,
the other teams. They don't want us to be back.
That's why they're not doing a deal with us today.
No one wants to help us.

Speaker 3 (01:57:03):
I get it.

Speaker 1 (01:57:04):
But don't worry about this one. Don't worry about this one.

Speaker 14 (01:57:07):
You know, she's upset, she's all but hurt.

Speaker 11 (01:57:10):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:57:10):
Yeah, that's right, that's you.

Speaker 9 (01:57:13):
Don't be upset about this, right, Mark, good last call?

Speaker 3 (01:57:17):
I love it all right.

Speaker 7 (01:57:18):
That's going to be it for this edition of Patriots Unfiltered.
We'll be back tomorrow at noon. Catch twenty two tomorrow
at ten. Yes, Barth okay, Barth's okay.

Speaker 3 (01:57:28):
Yeah, okay, yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:57:29):
Is he thinking about Super Bowl yet and whether or
not he'll be able to go down, he's over to
Santa Clara.

Speaker 9 (01:57:36):
He's he's more sad about Panix, I would say, because
that's right now he's all in on Penis. But no,
he's he's good, he's doing great. Okay, very busy.

Speaker 3 (01:57:47):
All right, we'll see you tomorrow. Hey, this is Alex.

Speaker 9 (01:57:54):
Thanks for tuning into the show.

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