Patriots Unfiltered 12/10: Bills Preview, Vrabel Presser/Reaction, Locker Room Report

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Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. But go into this game thinking
we're eleven and two. We're good, you know, and we
beat them the first time.

Speaker 1 (00:29):
I don't know who you're trying to fight out or why?

Speaker 2 (00:32):
And and the Oughts yeah and no chance. Okay, so
hear me out. Don't interrupt me, just I just let
me finished.

Speaker 1 (00:37):
But Evan's right, why b YU only lost tex Texas?
They lost choice of Texas Tech?

Speaker 3 (00:43):
All right?

Speaker 2 (00:43):
We said we're gonna briefly talk about college.

Speaker 5 (00:46):
All right.

Speaker 1 (00:46):
I'm sorry every and I I'm sorry.

Speaker 6 (00:48):
I'm so sorry. When we were talking about the Broncos
and the Raiders, I was joking. I was being facetious
for you. As they said. The amount of bitching that
goes on on social media between fan bases in ours
included like, I'm not saying we're not crid of.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
This, okay, and I imagine your timeline.

Speaker 6 (01:05):
I say this with all the love in my heart.
Please go touch grass, like, go do something else? Do
you want the Patriots clinching scenarios this weekend.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
Oh yes, please, sure, all right, they can clinch.

Speaker 1 (01:15):
A playoff for its six different ways.

Speaker 3 (01:17):
I don't care your punctuation, Jordan is absolutely terrible.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
Okay. I don't know if you're doing that on purpose
or what.

Speaker 3 (01:24):
The fact that I got through the email the way
I did is a credit to me. I'm not concerned
about it. I'm concerned that fans are concerned about it.

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Speaker 2 (01:40):
All right, welcome the Patriots Unfiltered.

Speaker 3 (01:43):
It is Wednesday here at to Let's Stadium, and Alex,
we need our show monitor on the board over here.

Speaker 2 (01:50):
I can't see myself anyway. It is Alex.

Speaker 1 (01:53):
Let's see how it all looks.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
Alex in the booth.

Speaker 3 (01:55):
It's Evan, it's Paul, it's me, it's Deuce, and we're
here talking about Patriots. It's uh, open the book day,
not turn the page. It's opened the book day on
the Buffalo bills.

Speaker 7 (02:06):
Oh, my book's been open, friends. Oh yeah, I haven't
been grinding. Evan's even an eye on Baltimore too.

Speaker 2 (02:11):
I think yes, Okay, you're already looking ahead. You're doing
the advanced scouting.

Speaker 1 (02:14):
Watch the Little Ravens life.

Speaker 3 (02:15):
So this weekend you want to not go to Gillette,
We'll send you to Baltimore to go watch that game.

Speaker 6 (02:20):
I think it's a job. I'd actually really like doing
advanced scouting. Yeah, okay, how come on, I tell you that.
You say no, no, no, I'm not interested in because, like
I don't want to take myself that seriously. I don't
want to have that big of an ego to think
that I actually could.

Speaker 1 (02:33):
Why not? But I I that piece of it, I
probably is my favorite.

Speaker 2 (02:37):
I read your your you know what do you call it?
Your preview for the game?

Speaker 1 (02:42):
Game plan?

Speaker 2 (02:43):
Your game plan? Yeah, and it was very good. So
I would I think you could do that?

Speaker 6 (02:49):
Yeah, I really Now. They do it to the end degree.
And they also if you don't try, they also do
a bunch of different other things about, you know, preparing
for the game that aren't just like watching for cool play,
you know.

Speaker 3 (03:00):
Like I do it, but like you look at trends,
you're looking for substitution, right, Well.

Speaker 1 (03:06):
That's what I mean. They you know, they're watching the sideline.

Speaker 6 (03:09):
They're watching substitution Patterns said, like, you know, I'm not
doing that necessarily.

Speaker 1 (03:13):
I'm more just watching it.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
You couldn't do I feel.

Speaker 1 (03:16):
Like maybe, yeah, why not? Thanks? I appreciate that, guys.

Speaker 8 (03:20):
Yeah, I've been seriously, I've been telling you that for
two years now.

Speaker 2 (03:23):
Anyway, take a shot. It's a lonely job, though, it's
a lonely job.

Speaker 1 (03:27):
Yeah, I'm not sure, but like it's that.

Speaker 6 (03:30):
That's my favorite part though, is to watch ahead of
you know, the other opponent. You know what, what are
the Bills look like? What do the Ravens look like?
You know whatever? That that's that's fun.

Speaker 3 (03:41):
All right ahead, all right, so bills coming up. Weather
has changed, uh oh from yesterday to today. All the
precipitation seems to be gone. Oh yeah, a little bit
cooler than it was, but still in the thirties. But

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no precipitation during the game. So we're dry. Yeah it's
dry hopefully.

Speaker 2 (04:07):
And Evans thinks that that favors Drake.

Speaker 1 (04:09):
May I do the dry weather? Yeah, yeah, sure I do.

Speaker 6 (04:13):
I think that. And I'm not saying that he can't,
so it don't make this a big thing. I'm just
saying we haven't seen it. Yet you know, a weather
game in December and January that he goes out there
and plays well and wins. You know, we haven't seen
it yet, Whereas I've seen that a million times with
Josh Allen. You know, Josh Allen, we saw last week, right,
I played in the bad weather in Buffalo and one

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played extremely well plenty of times. So I just think that,
you know, this team's that's just a little bit of
an unknown, is how they're going to handle the condition.

Speaker 7 (04:43):
I think it's one of the big subplots of just
generally the Bills have been here, they've been around for
a while, They've played in big games.

Speaker 1 (04:49):
You know, they're used to this.

Speaker 7 (04:51):
We're trying to figure out when the last time the
Patriots played a game this big in their own stadium.
So I think it's an element of unknown as well
for Drake May and you know, and just the team
in general.

Speaker 1 (04:59):
Young team.

Speaker 7 (05:00):
You know, a team that had turnover, but they haven't
really been in this kind of pressure.

Speaker 2 (05:05):
Situe at all nowhere.

Speaker 7 (05:06):
So how do they how do they you know, pull
together and come out of a bye and you know,
start this thing back up again. That's that's what I
felt like was kind of a theme we'll hear from
Vrabel here in a little bit. But I think that's,
you know, getting that energy back up, that energy that
you came onto the field with and Monday night football,
you know, how can you get that going again.

Speaker 3 (05:23):
We talked about it yesterday. Whether or not it's relevant,
I think it is a little bit. Vrabel is six
and o as a head coach coming out of the by.
I think it matters a little bit. Ye shows that
he keeps his team focused, you know, whichever team.

Speaker 2 (05:39):
You know.

Speaker 3 (05:39):
Obviously we're talking about the Titans, and you know it's
not exactly like they were world beaters, but he had
them six and o coming out of the by.

Speaker 6 (05:47):
And they played they barth As the all the numbers
on this he they they've like blown teams out in
Tennessee off the by, like won by multiple scores in
some of those games too. Now I don't know all
the context of know what teams they were playing and
it was her and all. I don't know all the context,
but they've He's done very very well out of the buy.

Speaker 2 (06:08):
So so we got that going for us.

Speaker 1 (06:10):
Yeah, I was reminded a little bit.

Speaker 7 (06:11):
I remember a storyline being the Varibel's teams didn't play
great out of the like training camp, out of the
season openers, that his teams had had some stumbles there.

Speaker 1 (06:18):
So I'm not just interesting, more interested.

Speaker 7 (06:21):
In what he establishes here and you know, learns from
that first experience.

Speaker 1 (06:25):
And yeah, there are things that take good and bad.

Speaker 2 (06:28):
Yep, yep. What else do we have to talk about today?

Speaker 1 (06:32):
I'm bucked on the Bills.

Speaker 8 (06:34):
So one of the things, you know, and I go
and do my show later Fred on Wednesdays. Yeah, one
of the things that I know that they're going to
be talking about today is the points spread, and not
just in New England, you know, So just so people
know right now, I know this is all this stuff
is subject to change. But I think the latest number
that DraftKings has is the Bills are favored in this

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game by one and a half, which I found a
little surprising, to be honest, respect And then I looked
and I saw Denver is at home against Green Bay
and they're also underdogs, I believe, by two and a half.
So the Packers are favorite in that game. So clearly
the bookies, the book makers, the houses, the sharps, the touts, oh.

Speaker 2 (07:20):
By the way.

Speaker 3 (07:20):
They told me they have a new nickname for me,
Freddy Fields. But after this week, maybe I don't.

Speaker 1 (07:27):
Want to go one around the office. I'm not sure.
I'm not up on admin level. Here comes Freddy Fields.
I think HR may want to work. Hey, guys, what's
what I did?

Speaker 8 (07:39):
Find it a little interesting and Evan, I know you
know you, Yeah, I agree with you.

Speaker 1 (07:42):
I disrespect. I think I was a little surprised by it.

Speaker 8 (07:46):
And you know, these things and fred will make fun
of me because these things don't generally.

Speaker 1 (07:49):
Move my needle one way. You want to know what
moves your need, but Freddie Fields moves his need.

Speaker 8 (07:54):
Look at the Patriots have won ten in a row,
the Broncos have won ten in a row, and it
seems like people still don't necessarily believe in though.

Speaker 1 (08:01):
Isn't this just like the established hierarchy.

Speaker 2 (08:06):
That's what it is.

Speaker 6 (08:07):
Gran Bay has been good for the wild Buffalo has
been good.

Speaker 3 (08:11):
I get it, and I love to play the disrespect card,
but I've been thinking about it. I think this is
more about respect for Josh Allen than it is disrespect.

Speaker 8 (08:19):
For the patri Don't get me wrong, I'm not up
in arms over I get it. It's not something I'm
going to lose any sleepover, but I did find it
interesting and I would be curious to see if it
because they set the lines based on their analytics, and
there's no question that they have some intangible stuff like
Evan just mentioned, you know, the pedigree of Josh Allen
and what Green Bay has done.

Speaker 1 (08:41):
That's certainly part of this.

Speaker 8 (08:43):
But if it's a bad line quote unquote, I would
expect it to shift in you know, the Patriots, you know,
because of the money, the money the people would be
betting the Patriots. If you think the Patriot's going to
win this game. I'm getting points at home, the Patriots
eleven ten game winning streak, I'm at home. I would
think a lot of money would come in on the
Patriots in that line would slide, you know, closer to

(09:04):
even if not the Patriots being favored by the time
kickoff happens on Sunday. So I think that's something to watch,
something to monitor.

Speaker 1 (09:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (09:12):
Yeah, and there's no doubt that Buffalo just looking at
it up now, it's not by much, but Buffalo is
tenth in DVA right now and the Patriots are fourteenth.
You know, the Dvoa hasn't loved the Patriots really all year.
A lot of that's because of their schedule. It just
for schedule and strength of schedule. But you know, green
Bay's fifth, you know, Denver is down here in the middle,

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you know.

Speaker 1 (09:36):
So it's just these teams that.

Speaker 6 (09:39):
Haven't done it yet, that haven't had the proof of
concept that the analytics, I think do probably say that
Buffalo and Green Bay are a little bit better than
the Patriots and the Broncos despite the records, and that's
how you get it.

Speaker 1 (09:52):
I feel like that's how it should be.

Speaker 7 (09:53):
I mean, I have a lot of respect for what
Josh Allen and the Bills have done over the last
few years. I mean we've gotten you know, people clap
back at us for loving them too much, but how
can you not respect the player that Josh Allen is
And like I feel like a little bit of an
underdog going in whether the sharps say it or not.
And this is on the Patriots to you know, beat
the five time defending division champs.

Speaker 3 (10:11):
And sometimes these point spreads are you know, just way
off and they're proven wrong.

Speaker 2 (10:16):
But most of the time money talks, they're they're pretty
much on the nose and that's why they make a
lot of money.

Speaker 7 (10:24):
As someone who's lasting the picks against the spread, I
can I can confirm it's difficult.

Speaker 2 (10:28):
Yeah, it is, it is, you know.

Speaker 3 (10:32):
But uh so I'm not I'm not up in arms
about the Patriots being a point and a half.

Speaker 8 (10:38):
No, I am surprised, though. Yeah, I think they're gonna
bail use it. You know, Rabeles is no doubt in
my mind.

Speaker 6 (10:44):
I don't know if he's gonna get up there and
say we're yeah.

Speaker 1 (10:48):
But that's going to see the spread.

Speaker 3 (10:52):
This to me more importantly, if I'm the head coach,
this is your chance to really prove yourself and who
we are.

Speaker 5 (10:59):
You know.

Speaker 3 (10:59):
We talked about identity, you know, and we're We've done
a good job so far establishing us, but this takes
us to the next level. Were the next step in
establishing our identity. A championship potential game in December that
we can win and if we do, we're the AFC
East champs. This, this is this is important because of that.

Speaker 6 (11:22):
There's just it's such a different feel from yeah, you
won the division, but it's because you beat the Jets
and the Dolphins in the last two weeks of the
season and you won the tiebreaker.

Speaker 1 (11:31):
Right against Buffaloe versus. You took it.

Speaker 3 (11:35):
You know, you against against the team that is the
raining champs five.

Speaker 6 (11:40):
Times in a row and you went out there and
you beat them twice in the same season and you
took it. That's just from a morales standpoint, I don't
know how that you can't see that that is just wild.

Speaker 7 (11:52):
Yeah, it's just the situation of the first game. They
were four and oh they were you know, streaking. You
beat them in their place on a you know, a
night where they were pretty juiced up national time television.
And now they're playing good again. They're you know, they
have their holes, but they're surging right now. This is
when Josh Allen knows it's his time to shine. And
that's you know, those two wins, when you look at them,
even in context, they're they're impressive. If they're able to
pull it off, that's I mean, this is everything you

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could ask for, you know, a chance to do it
against the team that has owned the.

Speaker 3 (12:17):
Den and and you know, not to make excuses, but
if if you do win this game, you've stopped Josh
Allen and his offense without Milton Williams. You know, so
you're you're manned up and you know made you know,
gut By without your best defensive player, and I think
that means something too sure, you know.

Speaker 1 (12:38):
Yeah, I just think it just means a lot in
terms of how.

Speaker 8 (12:40):
You don't think know about how they win the game.
But like, I mean, everybody's missing players.

Speaker 3 (12:45):
Like I know, but like and some and some overcome
that and some don't know. I want to be one
of those teams that overcome it.

Speaker 7 (12:53):
Okay, yeah, I'm just trying to think back. I mean,
remember every time when during the Patriots dynasty run, if
where they lost like to Buffalo early in the season
and then they come back and they're like, okay, you
know in December, like now now is when we you know,
when they.

Speaker 1 (13:08):
Lost thirty one to nothing to Buffalo and three.

Speaker 9 (13:10):
I mean that's good, that's a good uh.

Speaker 1 (13:12):
That was the mind. But they had the book end.

Speaker 3 (13:14):
Right, they got Lawyer Malloy, the team was.

Speaker 8 (13:18):
I just think those are different situations because those were
generally not good teams and this is two good teams.

Speaker 1 (13:23):
You know, like once in a while, the Patriots got upset.

Speaker 8 (13:26):
I mean I think it happened three times in the
twenty whatever years by Buffalo.

Speaker 1 (13:30):
Ryan Patrick, he was like twenty six. There weren't very
many times where Buffalo look.

Speaker 8 (13:35):
One of the times that they had a chance was
with Josh Allen on that Saturday afternoon game here in Foxborough.
The Bills made the playoffs that year. They were actually
pretty good, and they had a chance to come and
win the game here and they fell short. It was
a good game, deal. It was kind of like when
you're learning nineteen right, Yeah, I think it was nineteen.

Speaker 1 (13:54):
Thirty three and three. It was against Buffalo.

Speaker 8 (13:57):
I think it was a twenty four to seventeen game.
It might have been been earlier than that. I don't
I don't remember exactly what the year was. But it
was kind of like, oh, they didn't just go away
like it kind of expected the Patriots to roll in
this game.

Speaker 1 (14:09):
And it was a good game. Yeah.

Speaker 8 (14:11):
It was a little back and forth, and you can
kind of see Buffalo was getting better. But usually if
the Patriots would you say, three times three times Buffalo,
usually the Bill stunk. So it was like, okay, yeah,
that was cute, you beat us, you know, but we'll
smacking around the second time.

Speaker 3 (14:27):
Wasn't there a stretch you know before Josh Allen that
we were beating them, But there was a stretch of
games that were like either one point or overtime or
something like that.

Speaker 6 (14:36):
They had some issues at the end of you know,
Brady beginning of McDermott with the Bill's defense. Bill's defense
is always given this passing system. I think a lot
of it has to do with how much Buffalo disguises
and how much the Patriots adjust their routes based off coverage.
The Bill's defenses had like Brady had, I don't know
we call the clunkers, but like Brady had some like

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non Brady game it was like not throwing for three
fifty and five touchdowns against Buffalo. They had some struggles
against the Bills. I don't know what the scores were.

Speaker 8 (15:07):
But I don't think there were a ton of close games.

Speaker 1 (15:09):
Just a tiny bit of breaking news. Josh Allen AFC
player of the Week.

Speaker 2 (15:12):
Yeah that makes there you go, all right, okay.

Speaker 3 (15:15):
Yeah, you asked more respect all the break gat makes
it that much better when we beat the raining player.

Speaker 2 (15:22):
Of the week.

Speaker 7 (15:23):
Well, I sure don't ever remember any of the games
happening like Patriots getting upset by an NFC opponent in
the early season and then having to like hold serve
on the road like I don't remember that ever happened.
I remember Buffalo getting some wins in Buffalo. I remember
the Jets getting some wins in New York early in
the season. But then it always came back to the Patriots.
Summers never good blue doors, you know, and that.

Speaker 8 (15:41):
You know, there was a couple, you know, that little
stretch there where the Jets were cute with Rex Ryan,
you know, nine to eleven, and they went to a
couple of conference championship games.

Speaker 1 (15:51):
They were I mean, they were formidable.

Speaker 2 (15:52):
What about when Rex ryanders with the Bills.

Speaker 8 (15:55):
So Rex Ryan beat the Patriots with the Bills, but
it was with Jacoby Brissett play board about.

Speaker 1 (16:00):
Sixteen's it was Rex Ryan thing with the Bills and
not go didn't work.

Speaker 7 (16:04):
No, no, yeah, I think the one you might have
been talking about, Paul was December twenty first, twenty nineteen,
was a twenty four to seventeen play the game by
the Patriots.

Speaker 1 (16:12):
The Patriots are twelve and three, the Bills were ten
and five.

Speaker 8 (16:14):
After that one, that was a rare time that they
were both pretty good, Damn Patriot. It wasn't trying to.
You know, Salvage is split. The Patriots won both games
against Buffalo that year, but Buffalo you could see, was
getting better with this kid who looked like he was
starting to figure things.

Speaker 1 (16:28):
So Sean Brown fifty three yards.

Speaker 5 (16:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (16:31):
So I don't want to digress too much, but I
was on my drive and I was thinking of, you know,
Patriots through the dynasty, and I have a total blank.

Speaker 8 (16:40):
I was thinking about Patriots through the dynasty.

Speaker 2 (16:42):
I was I have a total blank on two thousand
and five? What happened then? What happened in two thousand.

Speaker 7 (16:49):
Bruski had the stroke and then they had to replace
their linebackers. So I think they lost uh Rabel moved middle,
Brown just didn't.

Speaker 1 (16:59):
Work, came in.

Speaker 7 (17:01):
I think ty Law had left as well, So they
had a sante. But I remember that their their defense
was just terrible.

Speaker 2 (17:07):
Remember that they lost.

Speaker 1 (17:07):
To the Chargers. Yeah, they beat the Jacket.

Speaker 7 (17:12):
The Jets might have been I want to say the Jaggs,
and that William McGinnis had a couple of sacks and
broke the sack record.

Speaker 1 (17:18):
That was Deion Branch still on that team or did
he get traded. He was that was a big last
So that was his last they made.

Speaker 2 (17:25):
They lost Denver. They lost the lost Denver in Denver.

Speaker 1 (17:29):
Yeah, that's why everybody.

Speaker 2 (17:31):
Yeah, okay, all right, geez.

Speaker 1 (17:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (17:34):
I mean I'd say it was one of the forgotten
season for me.

Speaker 1 (17:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (17:37):
I mean it was Brady's first loss in the playoffs
of his career and it was still a touchback.

Speaker 2 (17:43):
I blanked out.

Speaker 7 (17:44):
Bruskie came back, you know, and that was I remember
being like, thank god, but you had gone from four
where you had that like Paul always talks about the
six for four linebackers and I don't even know if
if what's his face the other linebacker was still around
to I mean, Teddy j was probably gone by that point.
I would guess Ruman fight for I don't know, maybe,
I mean right around that area.

Speaker 1 (18:02):
They might have both been gone. Yeah.

Speaker 9 (18:04):
Yeah, Turnover there was like I remember him with like
target on him the whole season.

Speaker 4 (18:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (18:09):
And Chad Brown absolutely got folded in half in Denver
that year.

Speaker 5 (18:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (18:13):
Yeah, that was Ben jam the Ben Watson chase down.

Speaker 8 (18:17):
That was.

Speaker 1 (18:17):
That was a tough playoff game.

Speaker 8 (18:19):
I mean they got out played in the game largely,
sure did. And I mean, you know how bad that was,
Like just it wasn't there year. Even Adam missed the
field goal in that game, that divisional round game, and
dam never missed when it counted.

Speaker 2 (18:33):
Yeah, you know, it was a bad night, all right.
So I just, like I said, I need to ask
Paul what happened in two thousand and five?

Speaker 1 (18:40):
You got, you got the whole panel, I know, I
just remember that.

Speaker 6 (18:45):
I mean, they hadn't lost a playoff game with Brady yet,
So like my first memories are you know, beginning of
two thousand and two thousand and one time frame, So
like I had never experienced like losing a playoff game
before really as like a fan killing. And I just
remember being absolutely distraught after they lost to Denver that night.

Speaker 1 (19:03):
Yeah me too, Me too.

Speaker 7 (19:05):
It's like why I started blogging about the team. I
think just that loss against the guys.

Speaker 8 (19:10):
Brady throws the pick in the end zone of all people,
Troy Brown, you know, muffs a punt and that led
to another turnover. And like I said, Adam missed a
field goal. It was just one of those nights like
this just ain't the patriotsy year.

Speaker 2 (19:22):
Yeah, I whooping it up in that press box. If
you remember, Paul.

Speaker 8 (19:27):
Mike, remember what happened in the season, but you remember
the disrespect from the out of town press corps.

Speaker 1 (19:32):
You got that right, That's that's Benjamin the.

Speaker 2 (19:34):
Game I remember that. Well, now it's coming back, I know,
but now it comes back to me.

Speaker 7 (19:39):
Yeah, Brabel had one hundred and five one hundred eight
combined tackles that year. I mean, clearly led the team
solo seventy three solo tackles. Next closest Tai Warn forty
had to play inside.

Speaker 1 (19:50):
This, but he did it.

Speaker 8 (19:52):
He did it well, and he did it really well.

Speaker 2 (19:54):
Yeah, all right, So what were we talking about before?
I spread and spread and all.

Speaker 6 (20:00):
One little thing about, uh, just housekeeping whatever the Uh.
The injuries are going to be interesting on both sides,
and you know, practice participation. The Bills got a bunch
of guys banged up. Uh, the Patriots had a bunch
of guys banged up before the bye, and then there's
no injury reports during the bye. So, uh, Robert Splane
has something going on that we still have unidentified. So

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we'll find out later today what he's dealing with. But
he didn't play as much against the Giants as he
normally does. Then he was kind of limited not at practice,
like you know, not really participating the last couple of practices.
And then you know, Tonga school or you know, what
do you do on the offensive line of Jared Wilson
is healthy? Do you put him back in? You know,

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like all these different types of things. And then Buffalo
it's Bernard and Spencer Brown. They're starting right tackle. Kinka
came back last week, but his seems kind of banged up.
Josh Palmer one of their receivers. So there's both teams
have some banged up guys that well they won't. Theay
on Sunday is Important.

Speaker 1 (21:07):
Was like, a give it a go guy. I think
Glass he's not He's going to give.

Speaker 10 (21:11):
It a go.

Speaker 3 (21:12):
Well, but yeah, Knox And for those of you who
are into the pop culture, Cardi B has declared herself
a football b I won't use the crass word and
that she wants that Patriots smoke.

Speaker 1 (21:26):
So really, where was this on her thing?

Speaker 5 (21:29):
Whatever?

Speaker 3 (21:30):
Yeah, so she's all in on the Patriots. Michael writes
in from Maine, Paul is one hundred percent correct. Fred
is off his rocker. There is not a single Patriots
fan on this planet that is dreading the game against Buffalo.

Speaker 2 (21:44):
Every everybody can't flipping weight for this game. And if
we do lose, it's not the end of the world.
The show will go on.

Speaker 3 (21:51):
So Fred go grab your brunts and get out your
snow blower and blow off some steam.

Speaker 1 (21:58):
Okay, I have a small rant.

Speaker 7 (21:59):
I get a smaller a little bit, a little bit
of ran towards you. No, it's funny, and then I
fully accept that. I fully accept, you know, being a
little like worried about what does it mean? But I
was just I was laughing thinking about it, because when
we talk about Paul shows like this is what it
is they live for, that they live for knowing all
these things, we know, all the talking points they're gonna

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hit if they lose this Buffalo game.

Speaker 1 (22:21):
So it's like, you know, one hand, you make fun
of those people, but.

Speaker 7 (22:24):
At the same time, you need those people because those
are the ones who are gonna hate. Listen to felgroom
As after the game and be like, I don't want
to hear it.

Speaker 1 (22:30):
Tells me you up, the schedule was soft and up.
Josh Allen still owns you, You know, like those are
the things that are beat into your head, like you
know it, right. I don't know how much that matters
to the people that actually matter, like the coach play.
Yeah yeah, yeah, No, it might a little bit.

Speaker 6 (22:45):
Because like the soft schedule thing is a narrative and
if you go out into Buffalo and you're kind of
outclassed by the Bills on Sunday, then still you're it.

Speaker 1 (22:55):
Just kind of proves them right, right, they could do that.

Speaker 8 (22:58):
Yeah, But I agree with everything you guys are saying,
and I understand where Fred's coming from. I have a
feeling that this is going to be what we're talking
about on my show. Okay, So I do get it,
and you're right. I just would say, like, if you're
a Patriots fan and you believe, do you believe in
what you're seeing, then what do you care? Like why

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this is the thing about Patriots fans I'll never get
is why they care so much about the noise. And yes,
Evan's right, they will have This will be perfect fodder
for Mike and Tony and everybody else that believes that
they're not as good as the record is right, right,
But if you believe they are as good as the record,

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is you'll be disappointed that.

Speaker 1 (23:43):
They lost, for sure. But maybe if you're but your
mind changes. But if you're what exactly what you ad
your mind changes with more information. If you're worried, that's
what you're worried about.

Speaker 8 (23:58):
You're not worried about losing the game because of what
felgrit ma is are going to say, you're worried about
not being as good as you.

Speaker 2 (24:03):
Think they are or being told right.

Speaker 3 (24:06):
But Connor Aganster says of a topic, if we lose,
will people start to spiral what we all saying. The
hope is we're that we're playing meaningful football games in December.
News flash, that's what this is. We got what we
wish for.

Speaker 2 (24:19):
Absolutely, Paul, you're the man.

Speaker 7 (24:22):
Yeah, the colpost moved. Yeah, and that's and that's we're
sitting right now. And that's I think what is a
little maybe scary is the word. It's just like it's
all right there for the taking. Like, you win four games,
you're gonna win the division. There's a good chance maybe
you get a buye, you know, And so those thoughts
in the preseason of be great, they win eight games,
like eight nine games, that would be amazing. Now it's like, no,
they're already at eleven soust Accordingly, we've talked about the

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opportunity that could exist this year with the teams that
are going to make the playoffs.

Speaker 8 (24:48):
You imagine if they go thirteen and four, there will
be people and I think they will be right, that
will be disappointed. Yeah, yeah, yeah, But I think there's
I lose twice, like you lose Sunday like that.

Speaker 1 (25:00):
Listen, we all know Buffalo's good. You guys upset it.
Buffalo's good.

Speaker 8 (25:03):
They could come in the pictures, could play a really
good game on Sunday and lose because Buffalo just plays
a little bit better. But if you lose twice, that
means you lost to a team with a losing record
in one of the last three games. People are going
to be disappointed. Imagine that if you go thirteen and
four and when the people are going to be disappointed.

Speaker 6 (25:22):
I just think there's also a little bit of like
twenty twenty one PTSD of like, yeah, sure they were
not in four in twenty twenty one. Then they lose
to Buffalo, then they they completely to me.

Speaker 2 (25:34):
That's all about Matt Jones first, Drake Man, there is no.

Speaker 6 (25:39):
But I think that that that's a pattern, right, that
you're just trying to avoid. But I agree, I think
that the difference is is like big picture, I'm with Paul,
like I have no concerns about where they're headed.

Speaker 1 (25:52):
Big picture me too.

Speaker 6 (25:53):
But in terms of the twenty twenty five season, losing
to Buffalo on Sunday does change You're you get a
little bit want to have a warm seat, You're a
little type.

Speaker 8 (26:04):
But like, like, let's flip this to the Buffalo thing.
I was listening to my show yesterday because our good
friend Greg Greg was on. Greg Bdard was on, and
at the end they give him us all right, Greg
gave you know, give us, you know, sixty seconds on
the game. You know, I like the Patriots in this
spot coming off the bye I think they should get
some personnel back. And I just you know, Buffalo is
just not that good. And I just I just look

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at it and I'm like, Okay, so Buffalo's nine and
four right now. And I'm not telling you that every
game has looked great, but a lot of their games
have looked they've looked kind of like vintage Buffalo. I mean, like,
you know, Caroline has given everybody fits to your point,
and they beat him like forty to nine on the road. Right,
So let's just not make this Buffalo team out to be,

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you know, terrible underachievers.

Speaker 1 (26:50):
Right, so they're nine and four.

Speaker 8 (26:53):
The game that they played in week five in Buffalo,
let's just say for arguments, you can't do this, it's
a hypothetical. But let's just say the game unfold is
exactly the same way. And that play that Drake made
in the last drive when he almost shut it out,
let's say he got stripsacked and Buffalo wins twenty three
to twenty. So now Buffalo instead of being nine and

(27:14):
four is ten and three, and the Patriots instead of
being eleven and two is ten and three. Is Buffalo
now good because they made one play that they didn't
make in that game?

Speaker 1 (27:26):
Is Buffalo? Does that make Buffalo a good team?

Speaker 11 (27:27):
Now?

Speaker 1 (27:28):
Buffalo is good?

Speaker 8 (27:29):
You know what I'm saying, Like, that's the difference between
the teams right now is Drake made an unbelievable play
on the last drive to set up a field goal
and they won the game. That's the difference between Buffalo
being good or bad.

Speaker 3 (27:44):
And I can pretty much guarante I can't buy that
I can pretty much guarantee that this game will come
down to a few plays, and.

Speaker 8 (27:50):
If it does and the Patriots don't win it, I'm
not going to be shook as a Patriots fan. To
Evan's point, if Josh Allen does what he did in
twenty one and they don't make them punt and the
game's not overly competitive, that might change my opinion of
the twenty five Patriots. Not of Drake may and what's
going on with Mike Vabel and going forward, but the

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twenty five. The twenty five outlook might change.

Speaker 1 (28:14):
This is the worst Buffalo team that they will face
in quite some time.

Speaker 2 (28:18):
I agree.

Speaker 1 (28:19):
This is not vulnerable.

Speaker 6 (28:21):
This is not as good as they've been, especially defensively. Offensively,
they're still lost.

Speaker 8 (28:25):
The numbers are like better than the defense is in
my opinion. Yeah, I keep reading about their past defense
is ranked X or whatever, and I'm just like, I
watched them every weekend. Doesn't never look like they could
stop anybody.

Speaker 6 (28:37):
Well, this is why things like DVOA help, because they
just for these types of things. They're seventeenth in past DVOA,
they're twenty second. This is the worst by DVA as
actually talking to Aaron about this, Aaron shats, this is
the worst Bill's defense of the McDermott era. That's nine seasons,
like you're going back to twenty seventeen. So they they're offensively,

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they're top five and everything. They're top five and points
their top five in PA DVOA explosive player, like they're
they're a great offense, and he's great, Allen's great. Defensively,
this isn't as good as they've been. And I still
don't think there even though their offenses producing, I think
that's a lot because they have the m v P
playing quarterback, and I don't think their weapons are as
good as they have been.

Speaker 8 (29:18):
No, and that they have been particularly hit with the
injuries on defense. Yeah, you know, and some of the
moves that they made, Like who's the guy from the
Rams that can never pronounce his name, that he came
and he played one great game against Kansas City and
blew out his achilles, that hate guy h oct Okay,
he was really good in that game when he blew

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out his achilles.

Speaker 1 (29:39):
He was really good for the Rams last year.

Speaker 8 (29:41):
Yeah, like they were expected. That was a big move
that they made in the off season. He was suspended
when they got him, and then he comes back and
plays really well. He's out, you know, Milano is kind
of always hurt, so I'm not you know, but he's
been in that lineup at all of her excellent interior
defensive lineman.

Speaker 1 (29:57):
He's been out for a while now.

Speaker 6 (29:59):
Harston's there, first round pick or or least I forget
where exactly they picked him, but the corner and.

Speaker 8 (30:04):
When he came back, he made an immediate impact for them.
He's missed some time.

Speaker 1 (30:09):
Bernard Torell.

Speaker 8 (30:10):
Bernard is a really active He's kind of like a
Robert Spallaine type linebacker, like a smaller athletic guy, but
he makes a lot of plays with them.

Speaker 1 (30:17):
He's been in and out of the lineup.

Speaker 2 (30:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (30:19):
Yeah, but this has been a really good specifically really
good pass defense in Buffalo for like the last this
whole run for the Bills, and they just they're they're
not as good there and they've had a lot of
trouble outside of Christian Benford, like they haven't really found
the right mix at safety.

Speaker 1 (30:40):
White.

Speaker 2 (30:40):
Yeah, what he was right?

Speaker 5 (30:43):
Uh real?

Speaker 7 (30:44):
Because did you guys hapen to see a keep to
leave it all yesterday online? I'm not saying that the
content like what he said I necessarily agree with. But
he was talking about the Texas, and you know, just
in that draw that he's got, and he's like, man,
tex is they gonna think let the fox throw and.

Speaker 9 (30:57):
Get popped like he's just talking like McDaniel's seen it all.

Speaker 7 (31:02):
They don't go that defense gonna get them all the
way to Foxville then they get him back, right.

Speaker 1 (31:05):
It was just it was more about not the context
of what he said. It's just more the way he
says it. It's just hilarious.

Speaker 8 (31:10):
Shouldn't that be what happens? Like the seventh seed if
they go to Foxborough is the two seed?

Speaker 1 (31:14):
Should they?

Speaker 2 (31:15):
They're playing better now than the beginning of the seed.
So I don't know. I have a lot of respect
for what Texans.

Speaker 6 (31:21):
No, I think the Texans are going to be. I
think the Texans are going to win that division, and
I think that it's that could happen. I think the
Texans are going to win the division. The Bills will
be the five seed, Like everybody's worried right now because
the Bills are the Texans could be the seventh seed
playing the two Patriots set. You know here but I
think ultimately will be like Jacksonville or.

Speaker 1 (31:39):
We're going to be the number of or whatever.

Speaker 7 (31:42):
So I sorry, Fred, just one last thing, I just
I just it was a nice reminder that Josh McDaniels
has seen it all and so, you know, these good
defenses that we talk about. Sure, I respect these defenses,
but at the same time, you've got a guy that
has faced every kind of defense there is. And whether
or not they execute that's a different thing. But I
feel like, no matter who they play, Josh.

Speaker 1 (32:00):
McDaniels will have a good plan.

Speaker 3 (32:02):
Dan Wright, sin, is it fair to say if we
win this game we can categorize it as an official
we've arrived game?

Speaker 2 (32:08):
Well, I think it depends on what you want the
destination to be.

Speaker 7 (32:12):
I mean, yeah, I would say the destination is are
you going to be a consistent year in and year
out contender for the Super Bowl?

Speaker 1 (32:18):
And I don't know if I go that far yet,
but mane.

Speaker 9 (32:20):
Of that division and it is a great you know,
but you know you need to see some consistency to it.

Speaker 7 (32:25):
There have been flashing the PAN teams, like, you know,
did Washington arrive last year or have they not arrived?

Speaker 1 (32:31):
Like I mean, I still think they're, you know, a
good team when they're healthy.

Speaker 7 (32:33):
But you know, it's just to do what the Patriots
did in the twenty and twenty tens of consistently every year.

Speaker 1 (32:40):
I mean, that's nobody tells that. You know, if you
could get on a five year run where you're consistently
that's great. You know, that's that's actually.

Speaker 2 (32:47):
Win the game for me. It's where we continue to
be on the road to arriving.

Speaker 1 (32:52):
You know, Like, I don't Washington didn't win their division,
right for this year, You've arrived.

Speaker 2 (32:57):
We've already arrived.

Speaker 8 (32:58):
I don't know what it says going for you know,
but I like you guys have said, I I mean,
I don't know how you cannot be optimistic about them.

Speaker 2 (33:06):
Yeah, I already believe, right, just get the title.

Speaker 7 (33:09):
You know, you guys say, oh, it's it's kind of
like gonna happen for sure. I just I need to
see it, like that needs to be get to the playoffs.
We'll see what happens. But like, just to come out
of this season with a division title, I think that's
just a great thing to fall back on.

Speaker 8 (33:23):
You. I can't imagine how I would try to console
you if something happens in disaster strikes and they somehow
find a way to lose three of their last four.

Speaker 7 (33:30):
H oh, I know, but but like, but but but
off the let me play wimpy two right now, Like
loose to Lamar Jackson and Tua, who you've only beaten once.

Speaker 1 (33:40):
I mean, it's not crazy to think that they could
possibly lose. They're lucky that the Baltimore game doesn't really matter.

Speaker 8 (33:46):
Yeah, I look at Baltimore right now. I say something
crazy has to happen for you lose that. But both
the way they look at.

Speaker 6 (33:52):
The game itself doesn't actually really matter, Like if they
lose to the Bills on Sunday, the only games that
matter are the two division games at the end of
the year. If you all you got to do is
beat the Jets and the Dolphins and you win the
division even if you lose to Baltimore.

Speaker 1 (34:05):
So true.

Speaker 6 (34:06):
Like I'm with you with Dolphins though, because the Dolphins
are frisky, they're six and seven, they're in it.

Speaker 1 (34:13):
Yeah yeah, if they if that week, see what it
looks like after this week.

Speaker 6 (34:17):
If Week eighteen is a meaningful game for both teams,
and the Dolphins have something to play for in that game, right,
and that that becomes a big spot and you'd have.

Speaker 9 (34:26):
To lose two divisional games at home, which.

Speaker 1 (34:28):
Is you know, it's easy to do. I mean there's games.
I mean, there are always battles.

Speaker 6 (34:34):
You just don't want it to be a big spot
against Miami. No, you've seen you've seen good Patriots teams,
I mean twenty nineteen. Yeah, opportunity and lay it, lay
a turn in the last game.

Speaker 7 (34:43):
I mean, it's I mean, I don't think you win
that one game over to and you know, but it's
like a reminder, like.

Speaker 1 (34:48):
That's the only time you've beaten them. I don't know,
we'll see what that team looks like.

Speaker 2 (34:52):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (34:53):
I feel like the Jets. I'm not worried.

Speaker 7 (34:54):
I feel like the about the Jets, the way you
feel the right, like there's no way, but well, if
I still get PTSD.

Speaker 1 (34:59):
Just looking at the Ravens uniforms, they're good. The Jets
with Brady, I can lose to the Ravens, okay, but.

Speaker 2 (35:07):
It's all part of the thing.

Speaker 12 (35:08):
Though.

Speaker 9 (35:08):
It's like you lose one, then you lose a game,
it didn't matter.

Speaker 1 (35:12):
Well, you lost two in a row.

Speaker 8 (35:13):
Now you got to come back a couple on the
road games in twenty one to like Indianapolis and Buffalo,
and you're like, oh, that's okay, continue, and then you
lost the game you didn't expect to lose.

Speaker 6 (35:24):
And also it also hurts that the Patriots last four
games are all in the AFC, so the Bills are
Their toughest game other than the Patriots is the Eagles,
but it's an NFC game, so that's not going to
be part of the time, and that's not tough part
of the tie breaker. So it goes head to head,
then it will go division record, and then I believe

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it goes conference record.

Speaker 1 (35:46):
I actually think that for the division. I think that's
the order. There's a conference before Common. I don't those
two are. I don't know which way those two.

Speaker 2 (35:55):
Any Common comes first, but I don't know. I'm not sure.

Speaker 3 (35:58):
All Right, A five five past five hundred is the
hot line. Let's see what you have to say. Mark's
in Connecticut. What's up, Mark?

Speaker 13 (36:06):
Hey, guys, thanks for taking my call. I'm super excited.

Speaker 14 (36:09):
I'm actually going to be at the game this weekend,
and I just.

Speaker 13 (36:12):
Want to see us dominate as Buffalo Bills. The question
that I have is Milton Williams.

Speaker 15 (36:19):
Do we know what his like re have processes right now?

Speaker 3 (36:22):
Like how's he looking?

Speaker 13 (36:24):
And is he eligible to return for the Baltimore game?

Speaker 1 (36:27):
No, no, Miami.

Speaker 7 (36:29):
He walked through the locker room on Monday, looked normal,
nothing on his leg or anything like that. I mean,
you know, he's just walking, so I mean high ankle sprain.
I don't think you'd really even notice anything really anyway,
but for what it's worked, he's in there.

Speaker 1 (36:40):
He looked like he's rehaving.

Speaker 6 (36:42):
Yeah, they said, I think when the eligible Iami Miami
week seventeen.

Speaker 1 (36:47):
No, sorry, he's second Miami for Campbell is Miami. Yeah, yeah, gotcha.

Speaker 14 (36:54):
Awesome, Thanks guys, Love you guys.

Speaker 2 (36:56):
Okay, thank you too.

Speaker 5 (36:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (36:58):
You know what I'll say, like when you go in
locker room and people are like, is he limp? Like
you have to analyze his limp?

Speaker 1 (37:04):
And I did that the other day, watch watch everybody,
and like I just.

Speaker 6 (37:09):
Have decided that, Like I'm not a doctor, like I
don't like all these guys. First of all, they're all
football players, so they all limp, Like all of them
have a little bit like a weird gait, especially the
veteran guys because they've been playing for so long. So
like I'm not going to like micro analyze like his
his gait, like how is he limping?

Speaker 5 (37:27):
Is he?

Speaker 2 (37:27):
I don't know.

Speaker 7 (37:27):
I did it with Will Campbell when I saw him
in the locker, so I'm like, he looks fine, get
him out there.

Speaker 1 (37:32):
The one guy I will say that looked fine was
Jared Wilson.

Speaker 6 (37:35):
Jared Wilson as soon as we saw him after the
injury scare in Cincinnati, he looked fine.

Speaker 1 (37:40):
I the other two I don't know, but let's talk
we talk about that for a second.

Speaker 7 (37:43):
Just it's an interesting thing to me of a rookie
left guard who you know clearly was having a good season,
but you know, Ben Brown a little bit more experienced.

Speaker 1 (37:50):
You've got Vederian Low. Do you put any consideration to that,
you know? Mix, Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 9 (37:55):
Maybe I just like he's a little more Again, I'm
not sure.

Speaker 6 (37:59):
It's a question to me of like is it Jared
Wilson at eighty five percent versus Ben Brown at one
hundred or are they both fully healthy? Because I might
keep Ben Brown in there if Jared Wilson's less than
one hundred percent.

Speaker 9 (38:12):
Is there anything to be said though for low being
out there?

Speaker 1 (38:15):
You know, Like, I don't know.

Speaker 7 (38:16):
I'm just saying, like Ben Brown a little bit more experienced,
Like is there any kind of connective tissue that you
would rather have a little bit more experienced guy between
the center and the tackle?

Speaker 1 (38:24):
Just I don't know, because decision.

Speaker 6 (38:27):
They didn't if Brown and low were like the backups
on that side all summer and they had all these
reps in the book, but they didn't because Vederian Lowe
was hurt for a lot of training camp. So I
remember talking to Viderian Lowe last week or the week before,
and he was like, up until this week, we really
haven't practiced together. Yeah, So like I don't think there's

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any real like chemistry advantage necessarily, I just look at
it more.

Speaker 1 (38:55):
I don't know if Jared Wilson is at.

Speaker 6 (38:57):
That point where like it's not like it's Quentin Neilson
where it's like, okay, at eighty five percent, yeah we're putting,
we're putting your experience.

Speaker 1 (39:04):
Point.

Speaker 8 (39:05):
Brown doesn't have much experience playing guard.

Speaker 2 (39:07):
Yeah that's fair, you know, Yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (39:09):
Think it's an interesting question.

Speaker 7 (39:10):
Yeah, I just wonder how much goes into it of
I mean, you're right for Wilson's one hundred percent.

Speaker 8 (39:15):
He probably goes, I mean there's an argument to be
made that if they think that Ben Brown's better and
maybe they wait a little bit longer.

Speaker 2 (39:22):
Yeah, I think that you could have two healthy guys
for the playoffs.

Speaker 1 (39:26):
You could make an argument for that.

Speaker 8 (39:27):
Tevan's probably right about the status for Wilson will determine.

Speaker 2 (39:31):
It Ken las Vegas.

Speaker 3 (39:33):
He says on December third, prior to the Buffalo Cincinnati game,
the Patriots were one and a half point favorites versus
Buffalo this week, and after the Buffalo Cincinnati game, the
line switched to Buffalo as a one point five point favorite.
According to Google ai quote, the initial odds saw money
pour in on the Bills flipping the line to favorite Buffalo.

Speaker 8 (39:54):
Yeah, I saw, I definitely Last week saw that the
the future line had the Patriots favored, and I was
very surprised that the Patriots didn't play and the Bills
kind of struggled, sorry and survived have well.

Speaker 1 (40:11):
So the future line was before the Bengals game. That
would be just before the Bengals game, So that was
coming off the Steelers game. For the right, but this
is like, what do you say, December third?

Speaker 8 (40:22):
Yeah, yeah, so like pretty recent, like within a week, right.

Speaker 6 (40:26):
I just was wondering which games the future line was
because like if you that line comes out after like
the Houston game for Buffalo, then I could understand thinking
that Buffalo is in trouble. I mean, they played, they
ran the ball really well again.

Speaker 8 (40:40):
But it is it's all about the analytics that they
do and then it moves based on the money. And
I don't think that might be right what he said.
I don't think this significant money coming in on a
game to move a line like two weeks ahead of time, Like,
I don't. I don't think there's this significant line movement

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based on that. I think it's weirdly to me, it's based.

Speaker 2 (41:04):
On two weeks. He said. After the Cincinnati game the
money poured in, but the.

Speaker 8 (41:11):
First line after the Cincinnati game had the Patriots underdogs, right.
I don't think the significant money coming in on the
Bills like in the immediate aftermath of the Bengals game.

Speaker 2 (41:20):
That's what he said, That's what google.

Speaker 6 (41:22):
But I could see how they were all in agreement
after the Texans Steelers game, where the Bills dominated the Steelers,
but it wasn't a flashy win.

Speaker 1 (41:32):
They ran the ball forty five times, but you.

Speaker 8 (41:34):
Could say, oh, you know, the defense shut him down
the running game, they kept the ball away for yeah,
but that didn't happen in the Cincinnati game.

Speaker 1 (41:41):
The Cincinnati game was survival.

Speaker 6 (41:42):
But the Cincinnati game, though, I think what I'm getting
at is like I could see the line moving because
Alan played like a near perfect game against the Bengals.

Speaker 1 (41:50):
I mean, he was just awesome.

Speaker 6 (41:52):
So if you watch that game and you see Josh
Allen put up like basically a perfect game against the Bengals,
you might think yourself, all right, maybe we need to
give the Bills some more respect.

Speaker 1 (42:03):
I don't know about the money side of it. That's
what I would do. You know how I would react.

Speaker 2 (42:07):
To Williams in Montreal. Hey, william Hi.

Speaker 16 (42:11):
Last time I called, we were playing Buffalo, and I asked,
if Drake Man goes into Buffalo and I'll duels Josh Allen,
will he be considered m v P.

Speaker 5 (42:23):
Paul.

Speaker 16 (42:23):
You proceeded to say, no, he won't. It's too early
into the season and nobody's looking at it too. And
two team and their quarterback as MVP front runner now
that Josh Allen is coming to Gelt Stadium, and like
how Fred likes to say, we got our guy. I
mean he outplays Allen again? Is he the clear uh?

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MVP front runner?

Speaker 2 (42:50):
Thank you and William. Are there a lot of Bills
fans in Montreal?

Speaker 16 (42:57):
I mean, my, my, I have a few people I
know that like Buffalo. Definitely not the closest people I'm with,
But I try avoiding those people because friends are crazy. No,
the majority of them, like Buffalo. There's a few Patriots

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signs here in Montreal. There's forty nine Ers fans. There's
a bunch of bands everywhere.

Speaker 3 (43:24):
Okay, I'm just curious because I think the Bills like
to fashion themselves as the team of Montreal and Toronto.

Speaker 1 (43:33):
Right across the Yeah.

Speaker 8 (43:36):
Yeah, I would say that the and I totally remember saying, no,
that's not going to you know, like one game. But
I would say that if Drake May didn't do what
he did in every other game, he wouldn't be an
MVP candidate based on one game in primetime. Now, he
absolutely got on the radar that night, and the Patriots

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got on the radar that night with their performance. But
Drake made that did it every week for the next
nine weeks or whatever it was after that too, So
that's why he's an MVP candidate. And if he does
it again Sunday, I need to know what Matthew Stafford
does because I don't really look at Josh Allen. I
know Josh is probably creeping up.

Speaker 1 (44:14):
Is he third?

Speaker 2 (44:14):
Now fourth?

Speaker 1 (44:15):
He's fourth?

Speaker 8 (44:16):
Okay, so I know he's entering the pitcher. But to me,
this is a two horse race. It's May and it's Stafford.

Speaker 6 (44:20):
The lines would agree with you, minus one eighty for Stafford,
minus two ten for May.

Speaker 1 (44:25):
Then everybody else's You know.

Speaker 8 (44:27):
Does Stafford have another game like he did Sunday against
the Cardinals where he's sort of on the sideline for
the fourth quarter because he decimated Arizona so much? Or
is it like the week before that in Carolina where
for the first time in like ten weeks, he turned
the ball over a couple of times.

Speaker 6 (44:43):
Yeah, I would say that these next two weeks, though,
you know, Buffalo and Baltimore in prime time.

Speaker 5 (44:48):
Yep.

Speaker 6 (44:48):
If Drake May is two to zero and has two
really good games against Alan Lamar, it's gonna be hard
to not see him as the MVP like that, I.

Speaker 8 (44:57):
Think it's it's going to be up to what Stafford does.
I think that's part of it. I don't think that
May can just win.

Speaker 6 (45:02):
I just want to you know, I'm big on the
MVP thing. I know I probably care about it too much.
I just like I hope that voters are consistent with it.
I do because if you voted for Josh Allen last
year over Lamar, then you should be voting for Drake
May over Matthew Stafford. The reason why Josh Allen won
it last year is because everybody said he had a
worse supporting cast than Lamar Jackson. If you give Drake May,

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Puka Nakua and DeVante Adams just like Stafford, you know,
you don't know.

Speaker 1 (45:31):
It is a good argument.

Speaker 8 (45:33):
It's a really good argument because you look at the
way Josh Allen won the games too. Had to have
factored in because he won games last year down the
stretch the way he did against Cincinnati, and as great
as May has been, the Patriots have been so good
that they haven't had to do that. Yeah, it's not
Drake May's fault that he hasn't had to have fourth
quarter comebacks because they have the lead all the time. Yep,

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you know, But unfortunately, I think in the voter's eyes
sometimes that stuff is what stands out.

Speaker 5 (46:00):
You know.

Speaker 8 (46:01):
Even Caleb Williams has got like five come from behind
wins this year, no one would say Caleb Williams has
played better than Drake May.

Speaker 2 (46:07):
I'm close Tony's in Canada. What's up Tony?

Speaker 3 (46:11):
Hey?

Speaker 15 (46:11):
Guys? Yeah, Well, interested about that game this weekend. That's
going to be really exciting. So many things I'd like
to say, But regarding May, I think we really lucked
out of the three that quarterbacks that came out that year,
we got the best one, not just because of his talent,
but because of his work ethic and his personality. And

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if you listen to Josh talk about him, he stresses that,
you know, how much of a how smart he is,
how quick he picks up his personality. But here's what
I called in about. Do you think maybe not enough
is being said about the Patriots' red zone, the issues
in terms of being able to get into the red

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zone score touchdowns rather than field goals.

Speaker 2 (47:00):
It's certainly been talked about.

Speaker 15 (47:01):
It's going to be Yeah, I know that's gonna have
a critical decision in terms of our outcome for games.
So wondering if you guys think, how are we going
to change things up? I heard Bart and Alex they
talked about possibly running kind of like plays running May
more trying to run me into the end zone release

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making a threat. Do you guys think that'll happen?

Speaker 3 (47:24):
What you guys see, Well, listen, I mean your original
thing is is it being talked about enough? I mean
even Vrabel mentioned it that that's something that they're going
to be working on during the bye.

Speaker 2 (47:34):
Yeah, the bye. I mean they know what's a problem.

Speaker 6 (47:37):
That's all I've thought about for two weeks. Yeah, you know,
but like mixing the red zone.

Speaker 2 (47:41):
May, establishing May as a threat down there can't hurt.

Speaker 1 (47:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (47:45):
Yeah, And they're twenty fourth in the league right now
in red zone offense, they're down near the bottom of
the league and goal to go as well. If you're
not going to win in the playoffs like that. Now,
I think there's two ways you can look at it.
One would be to expand the p book down there,
you know, with May's legs or you know, whether it's
RPO zone read whatever, move in the pocket you know,

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just incorporating his legs somehow. The other way, which might
be the way they end up having to go, is well,
if you can't score in the red zone, just to
start taking shots from right outside the red zone, like
once you get to the twenty five. Yeah, just just
you know, to have him throw, you know, vertically into
the end zone from from outside the red zone. So
you know, those high red zone shot plays might be

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another way that they can kind of get around that.
But they don't have the the personnel right now on
the offensive line to like move people on the goal line.

Speaker 1 (48:38):
It's just they just haven't been able to run the
football down there.

Speaker 7 (48:41):
Do you have any hope that Ramandro Stevenson with the
bye week, just has a little bit more juice.

Speaker 9 (48:45):
Like I felt the last couple of games when he
came back.

Speaker 2 (48:47):
I just feel like, I think it's all about the line.

Speaker 8 (48:50):
And this is one of these ridiculous things that I
throw out there that I have no information on. I
feel like the red zone problem kind of started when
he got hurt. I don't remember earlier in the year
that I'm having as many problems running, and I.

Speaker 6 (49:02):
Think it started when he fumbled. When he started having
the fumble issues, and it could it could be, it.

Speaker 8 (49:08):
Could be, but I do think that he's an important
part of that. They need him, They need him to
be the batter and ram that he has always been.

Speaker 1 (49:15):
I just like I I when you're running the ball
on the one yard line, like you can run through
somebody in school, you think that maybe he's too tentative.

Speaker 8 (49:23):
I just try that.

Speaker 1 (49:25):
Like, I understand that it would be ideal to block
it up and get a nice clean.

Speaker 8 (49:28):
Shot at it, but mostly that's not how you got right.

Speaker 6 (49:32):
And so you know, hopefully they can put Toga back
there and they put you know, Remondra behind Tonga, and
you know, you just ram it into the end zone,
like and that shouldn't be this hard, Yeah, nobody should.

Speaker 7 (49:45):
I still just remember the Remondery of Week one last year,
you know, breaking tackles left and right in the backfield.

Speaker 1 (49:50):
I mean, not a necessity.

Speaker 7 (49:51):
But you know, we just we talked to him in
the locker room a couple of weeks style about fumble.

Speaker 8 (49:56):
That point that Evan made about the fumbles is probably accurate.
Maybe why because you don't get a lot. I mean,
it happens once in a while where it just opens
up in the goal line the guy Waltz is in.
That doesn't happen a lot. Yeah, yeah, you know, usually
you've got to make some you got to you know,
fight through a linebacker or in the gap or something.
And I mean, you say, so many guys you can
block it.

Speaker 1 (50:14):
Just it makes me wonder.

Speaker 7 (50:15):
I brought this topic up thinking about his toe and
just health, but maybe it's even a mental thing where
it's like we're eleven and two almost.

Speaker 3 (50:23):
You know.

Speaker 7 (50:23):
But I was gonna say, we talked to him in
the locker room a couple weeks ago, and it just,
you know, when he first came back, and it seemed
to me like he's still really fighting through something.

Speaker 1 (50:31):
It's not like, oh, I'm healthy, now I'm back it.

Speaker 17 (50:33):
You know.

Speaker 1 (50:33):
It feels like this is going to be a process
to get over this toe thing, whatever it was.

Speaker 6 (50:36):
So that's that's why the mad like option plays could help,
because like you're when you're down by the goal line,
you don't have to put a safety in the deep
part of the field because there is no deep part
of the field. So now that safety is in the
box sure, near the line of scrimmage. So now you're
you're you can't, like to Paul's point, you can't block
them all. And so if you have Drake, then you're

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able to use him to hold the backside and it
occupies a defender, maybe even two defenders depending on how
you design it. So that way there, you're actually gonna
leave those guys purposely unblocked and you're gonna hope that
they react to the quarterback and then you can get
the numbers to where you're actually trying to run the football.
So like in theory that that's why those plays work

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so well in like short yardage and low red zone
opportunities is because you're you're evening up the numbers. Now
you're playing eleven on eleven instead of ten on eleven
if you're the offense.

Speaker 7 (51:27):
Jordan is in Canada, Jordan, Yes, Jordan, or Jordan's Jordan.

Speaker 10 (51:34):
Hi.

Speaker 18 (51:34):
Guys as just generally anxious person and anxious Patriots fan.
I want so badly to just jump on the Drake
May thing and like be like, yes, he saved us,
He's our guy, you know, And I'm starting to become convinced.
But something that Evan said.

Speaker 19 (51:53):
Yesterday kind of made me question or it made me think,
so the cause Evan yesterday you said something along the
lines of the Patriots won't will likely not lose in
a fashion of like a defensive rock fight. You can
more likely see them losing in like a shootout, like

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a battle to the end.

Speaker 18 (52:17):
And I was just wondering why you guys think that,
because honestly, the offense hasn't scored over like twenty something
points all season, So why do you think that we
have a better shot in winning a game like forty
five to forty three? Like, I don't know, I just
don't see it. I want to that's exciting, but like,

(52:37):
I don't know, I'm just not convinced. I want to
be convinced. So what are your guys just thow?

Speaker 2 (52:43):
Yeah, I think question or flopped it.

Speaker 1 (52:46):
I think you're better off winning a game, a lower
scoring game, So you.

Speaker 2 (52:51):
Think there's more chance they win a rock fight than
a shootout.

Speaker 1 (52:54):
Correct. I haven't seen them win a shootout. They haven't
really had to, right, right, So that's that's valid.

Speaker 8 (53:00):
That would be My argument is, like we talk about
that they haven't scored that many points, like offensive points, well,
the most points they've allowed is what twenty seven? Yeah,
and that was once with a kick with a punt return,
it was twenty three.

Speaker 6 (53:14):
Otherwise, it's under twenty three that during the entire winning streak,
they haven't given up more than twenty three in ten.

Speaker 8 (53:19):
Stright, right, I mean, the only the only time they
give up twenty three in any game was the Miami
game that they give up the punt return for a touchdown.

Speaker 6 (53:25):
I guess that was really only twenty that one. I
guess you could it was a mini shootout. I don't
know if that was a full flag shootout, and I.

Speaker 8 (53:32):
Would, you know, sub mini shootout, subtract the seven for both,
because right, you know, the Patriots then in turn turned
the kick off of the punt return for a touchdown.
But yeah, to Jordan's point, they haven't really been in
those shootouts, and maybe you don't know if they can
they can win one.

Speaker 1 (53:50):
Yeah, I mean, I.

Speaker 8 (53:53):
I don't know how i'd feel relying on the defense
to win the game. I think the defense has not
been put in a ton of really bad spots. When
they have, they've come through every time I've chronicled Miami, Cincinnati,
New Orleans like they've when they've had to stop the
other team at the end of the game they have.

Speaker 1 (54:09):
I don't know if you want to be in that situation.

Speaker 6 (54:12):
I think I more look at it just from like
how the script of the game, like how the game
flow goes, Like I don't know if it's necessarily relying
on the defense, but maybe it's a short it's a
shortened game where each team only has like eight possessions,
and like I just feel like the Patriots, I'm more
look at them as an efficient offense, not necessarily a
volume offense, Like they're very, very efficient, but in the

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plays that they run.

Speaker 1 (54:36):
But I haven't seen them.

Speaker 6 (54:38):
You know, I haven't seen Drake mego against Josh Allen
and win forty five to forty.

Speaker 1 (54:42):
I'm not saying you can't.

Speaker 6 (54:44):
I'm just saying you haven't seen it, right, So I
just I would rather all year long, they've been playing
games that are are like you know in this that
that twenty three point range right, Like I.

Speaker 8 (54:58):
Haven't really lit the school board up. Even their offense
has been really good.

Speaker 7 (55:01):
Yeah, yeah, I'm just thinking of the Bengals Bills game
last weekend where you know, it's all of a sudden,
Joe Burrow is taking the field and he needs to
go score. You know, those kind of situations you haven't
really seen them in And that's maybe one of the
things I'm wondering most about this game. Is this game
going to be a game that's a little off script
from what we've seen, because I mean, I mean, and
maybe this is I don't know, I'm just this is

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off the top of my head. But I would say generally,
like the games have all kind of felt the same, like,
you know, there's maybe some little lulls, but generally they
kind of just keep pulling away and then in the
second half they're able to ice it out and you know,
the other team never really makes that late push where
you're like, Okay, Drake, there's four minutes left in the
fourth quarter.

Speaker 1 (55:38):
Josh Allen just let his team down the field. Now
it's your turn to go do it.

Speaker 7 (55:41):
And to me, that's the perfect like MVP showcase, you know,
like it's just that that could line up to.

Speaker 1 (55:46):
Be a perfect feather and Drake mayscap.

Speaker 8 (55:49):
And I know you want to go to the emails, Freddie,
I'll give you one more thing that I would like
about the Patriots chances in one of those rock fight
kind of games, is I think Rabel and stretch have
demonstrated a really good asp of game situations. You know,
you asked me yesterday any clock management an that kind,
you know, any ref bashing? Well, I left out an
enormous one from one of the guys that I have

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the most respect for. And Andy Reid going for a
fourth down, you know, in a ten ten game at
that time, was certainly risky. Now I understand probably more
than most. Like everybody says, you know, so people that
don't know it was tie game, fourth quarter, they're in there.
I think they're on their own thirty one. They went
for a fourth and a long one and I think

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Rashi Rice dropped a pass and I'll obviously kind of
just handed Houston to go ahead points. Everybody said that
was dumb. He should have punted. Your defense was playing
really well. I would kind of counter. Now, I would
have punted, full disclosure, I absolutely would have punted. But
if the reason I would have punted it was because

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my defense was playing really well, well, shouldn't I expect
the defense to continue to play really well and up
with a stop and make him.

Speaker 1 (57:01):
Kick a field goal.

Speaker 8 (57:02):
You make it a little bit tougher, but you'll let
him go six place thirty one yards touchdown, like if
you if you give up a field goal there, my
defense continued to play well, like I think he was
showing confidence in his defense.

Speaker 1 (57:13):
Is my point?

Speaker 12 (57:13):
Oh?

Speaker 6 (57:14):
Yes, you just that you just made the nerd argument.
That's what that that's the nerd argument right there. But
then is that if you look at you that way,
if you rely on it, if you're saying I don't
really like myself right now, if you're saying that your
defense is the strength, then shouldn't you trust your defense
to hold.

Speaker 2 (57:32):
That your defense? If I don't get it, my defense
is going to come through.

Speaker 8 (57:38):
And but there's ten minutes left, I'm okay being down three, right,
I'll give them because.

Speaker 1 (57:43):
He did he did it, but he didn't know he
did it, and I like that you No, No, I
backed into it. I knew what I was doing.

Speaker 5 (57:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (57:50):
But the thing that that really stood out to me
was it's not like.

Speaker 8 (57:57):
This whole thing about the analytics that never like they
don't take the game situation. That's why I would have
punted because I don't need to get the yard. The
yard like to me, is not like going to translate
to points. Like let's just say they got it. It's
a rock fight. That doesn't mean you're that you're eminently
going to score now. You might ultimately end up having
a punt anyway, So just punt.

Speaker 1 (58:19):
Play it safe.

Speaker 8 (58:20):
Don't put yourself in a situation where and Evan will
have the numbers. I don't know what it is, like
fourth and fourth and one. You probably have like an
eighty plus percent chance of converting.

Speaker 1 (58:30):
That very high, Like I don't know exactly what it
is for twenty twenty.

Speaker 8 (58:35):
A situation where one like you have the one of
the ten percent is going to cost you a game.

Speaker 1 (58:41):
Right, And they don't.

Speaker 3 (58:43):
They don't do the analytics, don't take in game situations
not part of the Curry Street mentioned it in the
last game.

Speaker 8 (58:49):
Time and scorer is not really a big part of
those analytics.

Speaker 3 (58:52):
It's also like, let's just say what a key defensive
player is hurt your guy in this particular game, and
that changes it.

Speaker 8 (59:00):
Don't take time, I know, which is not true.

Speaker 1 (59:02):
I'm just thanking you for that.

Speaker 2 (59:03):
That's okay.

Speaker 7 (59:06):
Let me ask you a question going into this game
for the Patriots perspective, would you go in with an
aggressive attitude?

Speaker 9 (59:11):
Would you be saying to your team we need to
be aggressive tonight.

Speaker 7 (59:14):
We need to you know, if we have a fourth
and two or you know, inside the twenty and we're
gonna need touchdowns to beat this.

Speaker 8 (59:19):
Guy in Yes, I would have that, but it can
like this is why I would have caught game to players,
of course, because it's ten ten in the fourth quarter
in a freezing cold night where the offenses are not
really doing a whole lot.

Speaker 6 (59:29):
Now, Yeah, that that's a That's the type of stuff
that that the math won't necessarily take into account, is
like what kind of game is unfolding in front of us?

Speaker 1 (59:37):
What are the conditions? Who's hurt?

Speaker 6 (59:39):
Like all those different types of things. But down in
distance and time left in the game is that's what
goes into the computer, Like the computer you spin, you
put in the computer, it's fourth and one, it's ten
to ten, there's eight minutes left. Should I go for
it or should I not go for it?

Speaker 2 (59:54):
Yeah, but there are other factors in I just say
that I know what I'm saying. It doesn't it's not.

Speaker 10 (01:00:00):
No.

Speaker 3 (01:00:01):
All all these analytics do is say what happened in
the past it and that's all it does.

Speaker 1 (01:00:06):
That's how I understand it. If I'm wrong.

Speaker 8 (01:00:08):
If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, and I'm not telling you
that i'm right because I do not do the nerd stuff.
But I think that the percentages when when the game,
when you're watching a game and they put up ESPN says, go,
they're not doing that. They're putting in it's a it's
a fourth and two. These are the percentages of fourth
and two's that have been converted.

Speaker 6 (01:00:28):
That's not how that, like our guys, Stretch is not
doing it that way that they put into the computer.
It's fourth and two, it's ten to ten, there's nine
minutes left in the game.

Speaker 1 (01:00:40):
Now it doesn't put in that.

Speaker 6 (01:00:42):
It's the bills without ed Oliver and without it doesn't
have all those factors.

Speaker 1 (01:00:45):
And maybe they have a way to do that because
it does better. But I'm telling you, I'm just telling
you what it does, Okay, and then it doesn't. That's
that's it is, word for it. That's how it goes.

Speaker 16 (01:00:57):
Well.

Speaker 1 (01:00:57):
I have, like I don't have our calculator, and I
have a calculator that's public.

Speaker 6 (01:01:02):
That that this is the You put the field position,
you put the time and score, you put the down
and distance, and it spits out whether or not you
should go forward or.

Speaker 3 (01:01:11):
Not, and you better also be putting in how has
our defense been performing this game, so that any other
factor that.

Speaker 6 (01:01:18):
To me is why the Atriot system works so well
or has worked, is because I think Stretching, the guys
up top are doing the computers.

Speaker 1 (01:01:27):
And that's the point that I stayed with.

Speaker 8 (01:01:29):
I feel like Rabel and Stretch have demonstrated a good
grasp of game situation.

Speaker 6 (01:01:33):
Because I think Rabel is what Fred is saying, and
he puts that thought into it. Stretch puts the nerd
math into it, and they come in the middle and
they say, this is what we're going to do.

Speaker 8 (01:01:44):
Now.

Speaker 6 (01:01:44):
Most of their decisions do go by the numbers, just
in terms of being lockstep with the numbers. But I
think the bigger thing in terms of, like, you know,
the analytics with all these game situation type of things,
it does also account for what is your win percentage
if you fail and what is your win percentage if
you succeed, And it takes into count the fact that

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you could fail. Now your win percentage when you fail
might be only one percentage point less than if you
you know, if you fail if you punt right, So
that is why that comes into this as well. Like
if we kick a field goal here, we have a
seventy six percent chance of winning, but if we fail
this fourth down, we have a seventy five percent chance

(01:02:29):
of winning. So for the one percentage point difference, we're
gonna go.

Speaker 1 (01:02:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:02:34):
I just like it when the people making the decisions
have either played the game or coach the game.

Speaker 2 (01:02:41):
That makes me feel better.

Speaker 1 (01:02:42):
But don't you wantry doing it?

Speaker 7 (01:02:44):
Like? I think I could have confidence you were doing
it like, I mean, I think you're pretty aware of
these all.

Speaker 8 (01:02:48):
I mean, I I'm sure I would choke like a
dog if I was doing it for real, as opposed
to making fun of Stark Hanson on Red Zone.

Speaker 6 (01:02:55):
I think it's I think it's really cool how the
Patriots do it because they have they have them, they
have the algorithms, and then they make a decisions and
then Vray Bulk is able to have a great feel
of like what's the situation, how are we feeling?

Speaker 1 (01:03:08):
What's the you know, what's who were we playing? Who's hurt,
who's not hurt? What player are we getting to?

Speaker 8 (01:03:15):
Right?

Speaker 6 (01:03:15):
You know, they kicked the field goal on the goal
line in Buffalo before the half, make it six to three.
Then they had the same exact situation later on in
the season and they went for it on fourth down
and scored a touchdown before the half in Tampa Bay.

Speaker 1 (01:03:27):
And he's the exact same situation.

Speaker 3 (01:03:29):
I guarantee you, and I know it's impossible to prove
something that will never happen or hasn't happened. But if
for you know, if for the next five years or
you know, every team just went strictly by the analytics,
in ten years, the analytics would change.

Speaker 2 (01:03:47):
Maybe see what I'm saying.

Speaker 6 (01:03:49):
I doe, Yeah, but I just want to Yeah, I
think that I think that there's a happy median of it,
and I think the Patriots have struck that exact middle
of where and I think that's why there.

Speaker 2 (01:03:59):
To be that way.

Speaker 3 (01:04:00):
It's it's just common sense. You have to look at
your situation in that particular game. Fine, look at history.
But today is today, and Milton Williams just went out
and he's gone for the game, and that affects my
decision making.

Speaker 2 (01:04:16):
That didn't affect the analytics.

Speaker 8 (01:04:18):
That's why I like the way Mike in stretch have
done it so far. You know, hopefully they'll continue because
they do, I think, adjust based on what's actually happening
that day as opposed to all of the data that
they bring to the game.

Speaker 1 (01:04:30):
Yeah I have to go to Vrabel, but I just
you don't have to.

Speaker 2 (01:04:34):
What's this day?

Speaker 1 (01:04:38):
Oh great?

Speaker 6 (01:04:39):
Cool, exactly what I wanted to hear. I just think
that I wish it's different than like debating like should
they have gone?

Speaker 1 (01:04:46):
Should they not? Ever?

Speaker 6 (01:04:47):
Like the down nine go for two things like you
can have your own opinions on that. I just wish
there was a better like what I just broke down
of how what like what you actually put into the
model and what it actually spits out. Like I don't
think that there's a great grasp in the actual like
national NFL zeitgeist of like how these analytics models work.

(01:05:09):
Because Paul what Paul said, I understand. I think Paul
is in the majority that think that it's just in
any blanket fourth and two situation, you know what's the
mass say, and there's there is more like factors that
get plugged into the computer.

Speaker 8 (01:05:24):
They're just telling you when they put the numbers up
on ESPN. They're not factoring in time and score. They're
just saying this is the amount of this is the
percentage of making it.

Speaker 1 (01:05:32):
I would like to know who like what they're doing then,
because the teams, obviously I agree with you.

Speaker 8 (01:05:39):
I would just want to hear you, boy Alex, say
that they don't do that, because I was always under
the impression that they do.

Speaker 2 (01:05:44):
Even putting time and scoring isn't enough in my opinion.

Speaker 1 (01:05:47):
What else would you like them to put in?

Speaker 2 (01:05:49):
I'm sious, like, how has my defense been playing?

Speaker 1 (01:05:52):
Well, you can't. How do you quantify that?

Speaker 2 (01:05:54):
Like exactly?

Speaker 8 (01:05:55):
But I just know, but how my defense is playing
this game, I could make an argument to do either
one like I just sort of mapped it out. I
could make a strong argument to defend Andy reached decision
based on how his defense.

Speaker 2 (01:06:07):
Was in that particular case, right yeah, okay.

Speaker 8 (01:06:10):
But everybody else said the opposite because the way the
defense was playing, I punted the ball, right yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:06:14):
I just think that I just wish that when we
talk about these things there was a little bit more
education on the part of the people doing the talking
to explain exactly how the teams are using it, because
it has such a negative like stigma right now of
like anti like of analytics, and yet this is what's driving.

Speaker 1 (01:06:34):
Ninety nine point nine percent of the decisions, and.

Speaker 3 (01:06:36):
The analytics were created to give nerds a reason to
be involved. They grew up cannot be able to be
involved in sports, and they've created a way. And I
give them credit. They're very creative to be now involved
in sports is where they grew up, not having a
role in sports.

Speaker 2 (01:06:54):
They were one who's the side? I mean, so I
would marginalize.

Speaker 3 (01:06:58):
I guess now they've become right in the middle, love
it because they've creatively figured out a way to become
involved in sports.

Speaker 2 (01:07:04):
All credit goes to them. Well, we just attack.

Speaker 1 (01:07:10):
At the So before you go real quick, Yes, you'd
have to start.

Speaker 8 (01:07:15):
You'd have to do a lot to convince me that
Dan Campbell was punching in time and score in the
NFC Championship Game a couple of years ago.

Speaker 1 (01:07:24):
With a seventeen point lead. Yeah. I don't know.

Speaker 6 (01:07:26):
I I know that their nerds do. I don't know
what Dan Campbell goes by. That's Dan Campbell question. But
I again, it's not so much about like I just
wish that we educated people better on because I'm telling
you that all thirty two teams now have a nerd
in the coaches booth that's telling them what the math
is telling them. So like, this is what's driving the decisions.

(01:07:50):
So instead of doing the Fred and finger wagging at it, like,
let's just try to explain.

Speaker 1 (01:07:56):
Let's just try to explain it to people.

Speaker 6 (01:07:58):
You don't have to agree with it, yeah, but let's
at least get the right messaging out there of this
is what's going into it.

Speaker 1 (01:08:04):
I know what goes into it, so then you can
make the decision.

Speaker 6 (01:08:07):
So I actually say, and I'm not saying you have
to agree, I'm just saying, like, I just don't think
that there's a very good education of what actually is happening.

Speaker 1 (01:08:15):
Yeah, I don't think.

Speaker 7 (01:08:16):
Well, it's the assumption that people are punching numbers in
a computer and then whatever it says they're just doing.

Speaker 1 (01:08:20):
Yeah, okay, thank you, all right.

Speaker 8 (01:08:24):
And I would say like as a whole, and this
is people might be surprised because while I've not done
what Fred just did to dismiss the the the uh
oh you want you want to do the nerds, I
I generally do push back against the nerds a lot.
I love that the nerds have at least allowed the
coaches to open their minds a little bit and be

(01:08:44):
a little bit more creative when it comes to some
of these in game decisions. I think that's a good
development for the league. Too often it was, well, it's
fourth down, we kick here, whether it be field goal
or punt, let's go to Mike Vrabel.

Speaker 5 (01:08:57):
Send anything we can. Well, wishes to Kevin and Letitia Falk.
Obviously we're all heartbroken. Kevin was a teammate. He's a
huge part of this legacy here, this football team, and
you know the impact that he made and here and
coaching in college, and how much he loved LSU. And

(01:09:18):
I'm sure that they like there's no words to describe
what they're going through, but just wanted to make sure
that everybody knows that we care deeply about Kevin and
his family, and our thoughts and our prayers are with them.
So obviously a tough time for that, but we have to,
you know, prepare here. I appreciate it.

Speaker 6 (01:09:40):
Thank you, given mistakes of the atmosphere, the opponent win
or lose. Do you see this game as kind of being.

Speaker 1 (01:09:50):
Valuable prep for what might apply.

Speaker 5 (01:09:52):
Ahead assuming you get in Puss Well, I hope that
everything we do we only get seventeen opportunities, right, so
that all of that hap us to be valuable. Prep
you know, they all they all count the same at
the end. You know, this is a great stage that
we put ourselves on and that's exciting. But obviously hopefully

(01:10:14):
we've been able to draw from from different opportunities that
we've had too to help us. And so what we're
focused on is is the previous opportunities that can help
us this week, and then whatever we're able to learn
from the game on Sunday going forward to help us
the next week. That's what we're trying to do.

Speaker 2 (01:10:36):
Like what are some of the challenges of the second
meeting in the the vision that you've seen.

Speaker 5 (01:10:39):
Over the years, they've they've changed, they've continued to evolve,
and you know, they've continued to improve. And again we
talked about the respect that that we have for them
as a as a football team. Players and coaches. Just
draw on some games here in the past. I mean,

(01:11:02):
it's twenty to ten. In our game, they didn't bat
an eye. They came back and tied it in the
fourth quarter. We were up two scores in the fourth quarter.
You know, we needed our best execution and kick to
win it. Well, it was the Tampa Bay game, you know,
being down and then winning the game going away, Pittsburgh

(01:11:24):
down seven to three and then really just played tremendous
football in a second half, and then last week to
score a game with eight minutes to go in the
fourth quarter. So never any panic over there. That's a
veteran team. This is They're familiar with their program. So
however the game unfolds, it'll we'll have to do everything

(01:11:44):
that we can to play the entire four quarters or
then some if we need to. Mike, I know that
Buffalo is chalented all across the board.

Speaker 17 (01:11:54):
But in terms of their offense, how important did Josh
Allen is the tight end part of that?

Speaker 5 (01:12:00):
That's I think that's grown. I think that you know,
I mean, you could see when ken Kaid's back out there,
the the matchup and his skill set and in the
passing game, you know, great speed and athleticism, catch radius,
very quarterback friendly. Obviously Dawson does a little bit of both,

(01:12:23):
and the Hawes has just you know, been able to
really I would say, not only neutralized, but moved the
line of scrimmage on his responsibilities, and I think they
just continued to evolve in that regard and using you know,
all three of those.

Speaker 1 (01:12:42):
Guys, like the people in Las Vegas, have you guys
as underdogs?

Speaker 5 (01:12:47):
Sunday An?

Speaker 1 (01:12:47):
Who are the people?

Speaker 5 (01:12:48):
Ben?

Speaker 10 (01:12:50):
There?

Speaker 5 (01:12:50):
You go are? They're called odds makers, not people. There's
a lot of people in Las Vegas like they only
there's only a few of them that they trust to
set the line.

Speaker 1 (01:13:00):
So do you pay attention to that? I mean, do
you notice that?

Speaker 10 (01:13:04):
M No?

Speaker 5 (01:13:06):
I mean again it gets brought to attention. I don't
think that, you know. I mean it's every week you see,
you know in this league that records really don't mean anything,
and you know, the point spreads and survivor polls get
blown up every week and all that other stuff. So

(01:13:27):
we're just trying to focus on our preparation here and
get back into it. You know, had a good day Monday,
excited about the meetings thus far today and then you know,
progressed through the week, been out for the last couple
of games.

Speaker 1 (01:13:42):
What have you seen the proper Jonsters?

Speaker 10 (01:13:44):
Because some good guys like Quarter and Eric.

Speaker 5 (01:13:47):
Yeah, and I think Corey's continue to improve and play
a lot of football for us and Eric's you know,
taking the opportunities on Thursdays that we've had and those
competitive practices to get better and to get better, and
you know, again we'll need everybody up front. You know
how important the ability to stop the run is this week,

(01:14:08):
and you know that's just a large part of what
they do. They have a lot of confidence in it.
Not the only thing that they do. They do a
lot of things well, but you know, certainly they're gonna
run it until you stop them, and then they're gonna
have everything off of it.

Speaker 12 (01:14:23):
Josh Allen's long touchdown around last week, so it was
a defensive back who was still covering a wide receiver.
Is Josh Allen's running into the end zone And I'm
just thinking on that's the perfect example why you don't
want to play man against Alan.

Speaker 1 (01:14:38):
Does he remove things that you can do defensively because of.

Speaker 5 (01:14:40):
His worth killing Well, you just have to Again, I
don't think you can sit in any one thing. And
certainly there's situations where you have to play man in
this league and you have to be on body. But
then again there's other things that then have to account
when you have an athletic quarterback you're gonna account for

(01:15:00):
the extra gap or the ability to scramble, uh to
extend plays and all those different things. So I don't
think that there's one particular coverage or defense or blitz
that you can sit there and be in the entire game.
I think it's about picking the opportunities and then you know,
when you get an opportunity to make a play on him,

(01:15:22):
you got to do everything that you can to you know,
to get him on the ground and not jump when
he pumped fakes or fall down when he's steph arms
you or anything else.

Speaker 20 (01:15:31):
Five when you were you held kamstupt on your fifty
rushing yards.

Speaker 6 (01:15:35):
I'm just curious when you look back at that film,
what allowed defense to be so effective in limiting that
run game?

Speaker 5 (01:15:43):
Well, I mean, I think the way that we got
you know, we were able to get a lead there
and probably limited some of the carries in the second half,
and that the way that the game unfolded. But you know,
I think early on in the ability for our offense
to you possess the ball, you know, we'll have to
do everything we did in that game and then some

(01:16:03):
to you know, try to neutralize him in the run game.

Speaker 2 (01:16:08):
I'll enjoyable has been to coach Mac Hollins this season
and what's he.

Speaker 1 (01:16:11):
Meant to his team?

Speaker 5 (01:16:12):
Mat brings a great spirit, you know, to work every day.
It's a great teammate. You know. I actually showed a clip,
you know, from the first game on a kickoff coverage
and maxed over there, excited and not going in the game,
but he's into it. Somebody made a tackle and Max
the first one cheering on the sidelines. And those are

(01:16:34):
the little things that that mean a lot, I think
to me. So again, we we asked him to do
a lot of different things, and you know, again, I
think just the spirit that he brings to work and
the teammate that he is.

Speaker 4 (01:16:47):
Believe the Bills us fought me in protection to one
of the highest rates in the league.

Speaker 5 (01:16:50):
What allows him to live in that world?

Speaker 1 (01:16:52):
And also how do you weigh the balance between wanted.

Speaker 5 (01:16:54):
To play coverage and rushing against that kind of stame.
I mean, I think when a quarterback and again you
bring six and they block five quarterbacks got the sixth one,
so he pump fakes him or spins or stiff arms him.
You know, I think Josh just has a good ability

(01:17:16):
to know when he's hot or no, you know where
he needs to go with football, and and you know,
even if it's a four man rush, I don't think
he ever really panics and he's able to extend or
just find where he wants to go with football and
when they do get five out and so. And then

(01:17:39):
the other question was what did you ask me about
when do we need to pressure and when we decide
to just again we have to mix it up. I
think you just have to, huh, you know, pick and
choose your spots. And again, you wanna be sound and
everything that you do, you know, you don't want to

(01:18:01):
just leave it up to chance and hope that he's
not gonna find somebody. You want to make sure that
everybody's covered or that zones are accounted for and that
you know, the rush lanes are sound and that you
have an ability to you know, defend and you can't
be cautious, but you have to, you know, be sound.
I think like all your.

Speaker 10 (01:18:21):
Time in the league, what common allies have you seen,
the rivalries you've participated in, do you see any of
those elements possibly here with Bubbalo?

Speaker 5 (01:18:31):
M I just got here. So I mean again, I
know that they've won the division five years in a row.
I don't think there's really much of a rivalry for
those years. Maybe not. I don't know. I wasn't paying
any attention to it. I'm just focused on a very
good football team that you know is used to winning,
and they're determined and they're resilient, and you know we'll

(01:18:56):
have to be at our best.

Speaker 10 (01:18:57):
So mentioned sound rush lanes you're blitzing or not? And
how important is it this week against Allen to try to.

Speaker 1 (01:19:04):
Keep him in the pocket.

Speaker 5 (01:19:07):
Well, you keep me in the pocket, and he's just
gonna stand there and wait for somebody to uncover. So
you know, I mean again that's there. I mean you
can keep me in the pocket. You can stand there
and we can we can all just stand there and
he'll do you know, he'll do this, And I mean
you have to just again, coordinated and relentless is probably

(01:19:27):
the best way to to phrase it. And because again
you say we'll keep me in the pocket, and then
guys are just standing there and they're cautious, and we
don't want to we want to coach that way. We
want to make sure that we're trying to remain aggressive.
But certainly sound and you know when he does extend,

(01:19:49):
then we're gonna need a plaster and you know, have guys,
you know, be able to to come up and help us.

Speaker 8 (01:19:55):
Like, how do you feel about the offense's ability to
improve some of the short yard and red zone and
issues that have acrop the last few weeks?

Speaker 5 (01:20:05):
Feel good? Feel good like I do about everything that
we're trying to coach and improve. And you know, there's
things that we've done really well, there's things that we've
done okay. So again, whatever situation it is that comes up,
will have to be prepared for it and be able
to extend drives no matter what the down and distance is.

(01:20:27):
And I think most importantly, you know, have a understanding
of how critical the red zone is when you get
down there, and that everything that we've been preaching and
talking about will have to continue to execute and make
sure that we're doing everything we can to get touchdowns

(01:20:48):
and the difference that that makes and close ball games
and force them to kick field goals. The same thing
can be said defensively. So I think we were both
too for or last game. And you know again that
in a close game, that's about what it turned out
to be we made a kick at the end, and
so if we can try to get him the kickfield

(01:21:10):
goals or attemp field goals, and we'll have to try
to do everything we can to score touchdowns.

Speaker 10 (01:21:15):
Joe Brady the way he calls the game, obviously they're
confident of the run game. And Josh, do you see
them as more of a game plan week tweak offense
or kind of do.

Speaker 1 (01:21:22):
What we do operation?

Speaker 5 (01:21:25):
I mean, I think there's elements of both. I think
that they have their stuff that's staple that they dress
up a little bit, and they have this sometimes some
game plan plays that that show up. You know that
they find great ways to disguise and give it a
different presentation. Thank you.

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And now great moments in.

Speaker 8 (01:25:56):
History, time of day, like second minute, hour is the
agent that word silent it is They also have the
same to me.

Speaker 2 (01:26:05):
Yeah, that's that's the that's how that's the difference hour.

Speaker 22 (01:26:09):
You are correct, Mike, How to most of us. Is
it our house or our house? Our house in the
middle of the street. Eric, you you know what a
dictionary is.

Speaker 1 (01:26:20):
You just look it up.

Speaker 7 (01:26:21):
You just completely butchered the name of a town in
Massachusetts on a call earlier this morning.

Speaker 2 (01:26:26):
Syllable you should easily know. Look it up, Eric, Gloucester.

Speaker 22 (01:26:29):
Don't take my I live in Gloucester, mad Eric, don't
take my word for Gloucester.

Speaker 2 (01:26:35):
Eric, do not take my word for it.

Speaker 1 (01:26:37):
I don't look.

Speaker 2 (01:26:38):
I don't make your word for anything. Look it up.
How many syllables does oh you are?

Speaker 5 (01:26:41):
Have?

Speaker 2 (01:26:42):
Look it up.

Speaker 1 (01:26:42):
I don't have a dictionary in front of me.

Speaker 2 (01:26:45):
Have one upstairs. Don't print it out. We have this
thing called the internet, you know. Look it up. Don't
take my word for it.

Speaker 1 (01:26:52):
Matt, go ahead, look it up. How many syllables in
the word oh you are? And what are you saying? One?

Speaker 2 (01:26:57):
One?

Speaker 21 (01:26:58):
One?

Speaker 9 (01:26:59):
He's saying that word a R E and oh you
are are pronounced exactly the same our.

Speaker 2 (01:27:05):
One. One.

Speaker 1 (01:27:08):
There you go, and there it is our Paul, and
there it is Paul.

Speaker 9 (01:27:14):
It's technology right now.

Speaker 2 (01:27:18):
Our who's saying that? Somebody from China?

Speaker 7 (01:27:22):
Dictionary the dictionary pronunciation you told me to look it up.

Speaker 1 (01:27:27):
I looked it up in the dictionary and it has
the pronunciation.

Speaker 2 (01:27:30):
How many audibles our? Hour? He just said one?

Speaker 1 (01:27:34):
Well, I just I'm just playing.

Speaker 2 (01:27:35):
Am not listening to the position. Let me see that hour,
Let me see it.

Speaker 5 (01:27:41):
Let me so.

Speaker 1 (01:27:43):
Fred's picking up the phone.

Speaker 3 (01:27:44):
Now.

Speaker 8 (01:27:45):
It has the little it has the little pronunciation. Guy,
how you pronounce it?

Speaker 1 (01:27:51):
Did you hear how it was pronounced?

Speaker 2 (01:27:52):
It's one.

Speaker 1 (01:27:53):
I don't know how many syllables it is. It's pronounced our.

Speaker 2 (01:27:56):
Yeah, hour, it is not our.

Speaker 1 (01:27:58):
That's another great moment, Paul.

Speaker 2 (01:28:03):
You've done with your Christmas shop and yet yeah you are?

Speaker 8 (01:28:07):
I am, well not everyone is, no, I know some
people procrastinate.

Speaker 1 (01:28:10):
Fred.

Speaker 3 (01:28:10):
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Speaker 2 (01:28:51):
It's kind of hard to wrap a couch.

Speaker 1 (01:28:52):
Though, you know, Yeah, got a big, big TV for
my parents.

Speaker 8 (01:28:58):
Yeah that were you know, all the kids are giving
them and having a hard time wrapping that right now.

Speaker 1 (01:29:04):
Yeah, yeah, it's big big.

Speaker 8 (01:29:06):
I think Beth is going to try to get one
of those bags. So this is what you do it
in and you're like, almost like a sack.

Speaker 2 (01:29:11):
This is what you do. This is how you do it.

Speaker 5 (01:29:12):
How do you do it?

Speaker 3 (01:29:14):
They open up a car and it says, go into
the other room to see what this is. So that
way you don't have to worry about it sitting there.
It's like, wha, that's a TV. You put it in enough,
you hide it somewhere in the house and then they
have to go get it and then they see it.

Speaker 1 (01:29:29):
Oh, so don't wrap it. You don't have to wrap it, right, Yeah.
I think we'll probably wrap it, okay.

Speaker 8 (01:29:34):
I think that Beth is very anti Christmas gifts that
aren't wrapped, Like even like stocking stuffers need to be right.

Speaker 3 (01:29:41):
Well, I guess you can still wrap it, but you
put it in the other room, so it's not evident
it's not sitting out there that Oh this is a TV.

Speaker 1 (01:29:47):
Yeah, I mean, I don't know. It could be a
lot of things. Okay, it does look like a TV,
though I would agree it's kind of hard to say.
You ever, I don't think that's a TV.

Speaker 2 (01:29:54):
You ever listen to Sebastian Menaschoolo in a medium.

Speaker 3 (01:29:58):
Yes, he's got a funny bit where his father because
everything his father looks at.

Speaker 2 (01:30:02):
How much you pay for that? And he goes, yes,
you pick what I could have made that. You can
make a seventy five inch TV.

Speaker 1 (01:30:09):
You could have made it for a buck.

Speaker 2 (01:30:10):
You could make a seventy five inch TV.

Speaker 1 (01:30:13):
I love some of those. Those bits are great.

Speaker 2 (01:30:15):
Oh yeah, all right, eight five five pass five hundred.

Speaker 3 (01:30:18):
Evan has gone because you know, he needs to go
talk to the players and deuces out there because he
needs to talk to the players.

Speaker 2 (01:30:24):
But they'll be back, right, Oh No, Evan won't be.

Speaker 8 (01:30:27):
Yeah, Mike will be and Evan. I'm not sure Evan's
coming back tomorrow. You little mean to him before the break?

Speaker 3 (01:30:33):
Oh yeah, you think I heard him in two. I
think I heard him with the analytics don't shine.

Speaker 8 (01:30:38):
I think you hurt his feelings with the analytics. Don't shine.

Speaker 2 (01:30:42):
He's gonna analytics ass right now.

Speaker 1 (01:30:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:30:45):
I mean, like I said, I do think there the
the infusion of the nerds. I think overall has been
a very good thing for the NFL because I think
it has allowed coaches to show more creativity and not
just do what they've always done for decades. I do
think there needs to be a balance. I think the

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best coaches have demonstrated the ability to adapt and change
based on what's going on. And like I said, I
think that's one thing that I would give Mike Rabel
and edge in is if the game unfolds in a
certain way. I don't think we're going to be necessarily
critiquing his decisions. I haven't agreed with every one of
them that he's made this year.

Speaker 5 (01:31:26):
Yep.

Speaker 8 (01:31:27):
I'm not telling you that everything that they've done the
Patriots have done well.

Speaker 1 (01:31:30):
I agree with that.

Speaker 8 (01:31:31):
The one that they went for from their own like
fifteen yard line early in the year, I think it
was Pittsburgh.

Speaker 1 (01:31:36):
They ended up getting it. I thought that was insane.
But for the most part.

Speaker 8 (01:31:41):
I think his ability to adapt, based on the way
the game is unfolding, I think has been insane. Well
it's been different, you know what I mean. It's not
just that it's not like, well, I'm going for it
every time because the book tells me to go for it.
He's shown the ability to adapt.

Speaker 3 (01:31:57):
He's a reasonable and common sense person. In other words,
Jeffrey and Canada writes in first Off, great to hear
all the fellow Canadians chiming in. Today must be a
day off up in canon.

Speaker 8 (01:32:08):
We did get a lot of Canadian phone calls today.

Speaker 2 (01:32:10):
Y's weird.

Speaker 3 (01:32:11):
The Patriots do have a large following Canada, especially on
the East coast. Bills are a Toronto team. I believe
a third of their season tickets are owned by Canadians. However,
I must defend Jordan who called Evan did say shootout
was how we'd win, And maybe he misspoke, but he
said he's not worried about the Texans or Broncos because

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they have weaker offenses, which I'm not saying he's wrong,
but the caller was correct.

Speaker 5 (01:32:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:32:37):
I don't remember what Evans said in terms of shootout
or if he did or didn't say it. I think
what Evan's point was, and he can speak for himself tomorrow.
If you said he may not come back anymore, that's true.
But I think his point is he doesn't see anybody
being able to completely shut down Drake May, so they'll
be able to score enough points. In the case of

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Denver and Houston, these are the two teams that have
particularly rankled his feathers. I think, yeah, he doesn't feel
that they have the offenses to keep up with the Patriots.
That doesn't necessarily mean you have to win thirty eight
thirty five. Yeah, Like in other words, he thinks, if
I can get to twenty four against those teams, I'm
gonna win because the other team can't get there. I
think that's Evans point. It might be semantic argument, which

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is the basis of oh so many of our arguments
here on Patriots Unfiltered.

Speaker 3 (01:33:25):
Yeah, all right, back to the phones. Marty is in
the Pacific Northwest. Hey, Marty, Marty, Maty maighty. Oh, we
didn't talk about Mike Vrabel any anything come out of
that of interest?

Speaker 2 (01:33:42):
Do you think?

Speaker 3 (01:33:42):
No?

Speaker 8 (01:33:42):
We should mention though, and he opened up his press conference.
It's a tragedy with Kevin Falk lost his second daughter, Yeah,
thirty year old daughter. I don't really know any of
the details other than she passed away.

Speaker 2 (01:33:57):
He was in the hospital.

Speaker 8 (01:34:00):
Mike did open that up and talked about, you know,
just that's how that's Yeah, that's an unspeakable tragedy. But yeah,
I mean I thought a lot of you know, a
lot of respect obviously from Vrabel for Buffalo and for
Josh Allen in particular. That's where it mostly centatored on,

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you know, But you know, like the whole thing about
how to attack him, I think Mike is right. There's
no you can't attack him one way, Like if you
want to try to be passive in the past rush
and keep him in the pocket, He's just going to
stand back there in direct traffic.

Speaker 1 (01:34:35):
If you want to go after.

Speaker 8 (01:34:36):
Him, then you better get him, right So, you know,
I think Taylor Kyle's asked him about Buffalo's propensity to
only keep five in and protection, you know, and Mike said, yeah,
you can send six if they're only going to block five,
but you better have that six guy. Better get him, yep,
otherwise you're in trouble. So I think Tom Curran asked
him about the long touchdown run that Allen had in

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the Cincinnati game. Is that why you can't play man?
He said, well, if you only do one thing, you know,
that's that's not the right way to do it either.
And we did look it up, but Mike was still here.
That was one of their higher.

Speaker 1 (01:35:09):
Man games.

Speaker 8 (01:35:10):
That was the first time against Buffalo, and I think
that speaks to the lack of explosiveness in the Bill's
receiving cores. I think they feel like they can shut
down these guys with man coverage, so I think that's
the way he goes about it. But yeah, you know,
Allen's ability to run in those situations obviously is a concern.

Speaker 5 (01:35:31):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:35:33):
If Sean is in Boston, I hope I'm pronouncing your
name correctly as Sean.

Speaker 14 (01:35:38):
Yep, you're pronouncing it correct. Hey, guys, I'm a first
time caller, a long time listener.

Speaker 5 (01:35:43):
Nice.

Speaker 14 (01:35:43):
Well, I think you guys might have talked about this earlier,
with the idea of like whether we can compete in
a shootout. I just didn't catch it. My question was
about I know we've talked a lot about we're not
sure if this offense can keep up in I guess,
like a shootout like game. But Mike question was, is
there not concern about seeing this Patriots team win in

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a comeback fashion? And I'm talking about like down fourteen
to seventeen points at half, because I think it's much
easier for a defense to let up a lot of points.
But if the quarterback is kind of like the engine
of the team, you could have Drake maygo off for
four touchdowns and keep you in the game in the shootouts,
but I think it becomes a lot more difficult when

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the offense is struggling for the defense to hold up
its end of the bargain, because I think that the
energy across the team might be a bit lower when
the offense is struggling. So I'm just wondering on your guys'
opinion on the importance of seeing a major comeback game
before we hit the playoffs as opposed to something like
a shootout where we know our offense can score a
lot of points.

Speaker 3 (01:36:47):
Yeah, yeah, you know, but I hear what you're saying.
It's so hard to manufacture those things.

Speaker 1 (01:36:52):
Well, and I understand this question totally.

Speaker 8 (01:36:55):
I just think that I don't ever want to be
down seventeen, right, and forget about manufacturing something. I don't
think if you come back from down seventeen in the
regular season, I still that doesn't mean it doesn't make
me any more confident in the playoffs if I'm down seventeen.
Now I understand what his point is, like, the players
will know what we've been here before.

Speaker 2 (01:37:16):
We can do this.

Speaker 1 (01:37:17):
I get it.

Speaker 8 (01:37:18):
It's not gonna make it's not gonna make the situation
any less dire.

Speaker 3 (01:37:21):
And we're impatient, you know, because, like you said it
right there, we've been there before. In order to have
been there before, you kind of need time to experience
all those different scenarios. Really, we're only talking one season
so far. Last forget about last season. I mean right,
I wipe that from my memory. So there's only so
many games in which to experience different scenarios. We haven't

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seen everything yet, and it's gonna take time before this
version of the Patriots sees all those conditions.

Speaker 8 (01:37:50):
So I totally get it. They haven't really had to
come back. And you know what you're talking about is,
you know, multi score of deficits late in the game.
That's desperation time. I don't care how many times that.

Speaker 5 (01:38:04):
You you do it.

Speaker 2 (01:38:04):
When was the first time Brady experienced that in his career?

Speaker 8 (01:38:07):
Oh, like his first home was a second home winning Chargers.
Yeah right right, yeah, down ten with like three minutes left.

Speaker 2 (01:38:15):
It was that San Diego.

Speaker 8 (01:38:16):
Yeah, they ended up winning in overtime.

Speaker 2 (01:38:18):
I remember.

Speaker 8 (01:38:20):
So yeah, I mean I get it, you know, Like,
here's the most glaring example, coming back from twenty eight
to three in the Super Bowl. I don't know if
you felt better about it because, well, the Patriots have
done this before.

Speaker 1 (01:38:35):
I didn't.

Speaker 3 (01:38:36):
I well, they never did that before. Well, the Denver
game they were down twenty four to nothing or something.

Speaker 8 (01:38:42):
Like that, twenty four to nothing. Yeah, but like I don't,
like Tom Brady had established his ability to come from behind, right,
And I think there was a belief in Brady. And
I think you heard you've heard anecdotes from defensive players
in the sidelin No, no, no, we got Brady from
the other team to the other right. Mohamed Sanu I
think said it. Yeah, but that's not a situation that

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you want to find yourself in in the playoffs. Like
there's nobody that would say, like it's okay because we've
been the here before. Right now, everything's got to be perfect.

Speaker 2 (01:39:15):
But you know, like if your team's that good, you
don't have that situation, So like, which do you.

Speaker 1 (01:39:19):
Are the other team?

Speaker 5 (01:39:20):
Is that bad?

Speaker 3 (01:39:21):
They're not good enough to get that kind of a
lead on right, So which that's the Yeah, it's true.
We haven't really experienced that yet, so we don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:39:29):
But you know, it is what it is.

Speaker 3 (01:39:33):
There'll be a first time for everything, hopefully because this
is going to last for a while with this head
coach in this quarterback Sean's and Vancouver.

Speaker 2 (01:39:42):
What's up Sean, Sean?

Speaker 13 (01:39:44):
I really hope that song is going to play this week,
not amongst the PU crew but general NFL chatter. He's
been a real unsugg hero and it's going to help
on the defensive line, but also in short yardage and
running the ball because his blocking is than anything close
to real fullback. So that's someone now the Patriots Kapillion

(01:40:05):
used all this lady on.

Speaker 8 (01:40:06):
That Okay, Yeah, I think I think his his his
return would be a welcome one to handle James Cook.
I'm less concerned about the handful of snaps that he
get as a full back. I don't dismiss it. I
think you know he did it, does it? You know
he does a fairly good job in that regard. But
the run defense has been sagging, and I think part
of it is everybody talks about Milton Williams, but I

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think you know Tong has been part of that too.
So yeah, you know, to have those guys back as
many of those guys back, Yeah, yep, the more the merrier.

Speaker 3 (01:40:36):
Let's see Bruno Wright saying subject line, how to enhance
analytics with how my defense is doing.

Speaker 2 (01:40:43):
It's pretty easy.

Speaker 3 (01:40:44):
Besides scoreclocking down a distance, you factor an EPA and
success rate for both teams into the equation. That should
be pretty straightforward. You only need to figure out the
coefficients for each metric. A more advanced version could also
take into account season advanced for the teams as well
as players individually, so you can factor in key injuries
as well.

Speaker 2 (01:41:05):
But at this point you might be needing.

Speaker 3 (01:41:07):
The Guys Coding Chat GPT to join the NFL analytics team.
But in any case, it's only just odds, and the
fun part of sports is that on any given Sunday
you can beat them.

Speaker 8 (01:41:17):
I want to do less odds, like I want to
like I think like I said, I think that that's
been a welcome change, that teams are more willing to
take some of that into consideration. But I don't want
to do it based on strictly based on numbers. I
don't want to add more numbers, especially EPA like expected
stuff that's not real. I don't want to necessarily add

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more numbers into my thought process. Yep, you understand what
I'm saying. Yeah, but I do think like I will.
I know people probably don't believe me, but I do
like the fact that teams go for it on fullth
down far more, far more frequently, and I think that's
been a good development for the league.

Speaker 3 (01:41:57):
Matt from Saskatchewan says, I meant to send this into
Catch twenty two, and as I assume Barth probably knows
this information off the top of his head, I was
wondering how everyone feels about Drake May in the clutch,
as we haven't really seen it outside the Buffalo game
in Week four. I vaguely remember during the draft cycle
that he did not have a great record and come

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from behind games in college, and I was wondering if
you have any concerns about his ability to do so
as we approach the playoffs will inevitably have to come
from behind to win against better teams. So in the
clutch a little bit different than come from behind, you know,
seventeen points, just got.

Speaker 5 (01:42:34):
To have it.

Speaker 8 (01:42:35):
Yeah, and he hasn't really had any of those. Yeah,
even the one that we're talking about was a tie game. Yep,
so he didn't have to do it right. No, I
don't have concerns only because I would be concerned if
I had seen him fail in those situations, you know,
like last year, I'm with you, I completely throw away
last year. Yeah, this year, with this team and this

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personnel around him, they haven't. They haven't failed in those situations.
But and you know the other thing about that is,
I guess that's not really true. They were down, they
were down a touchdown against Pittsburgh and he fumbled, So I, yes,
that's but that's one and it's.

Speaker 3 (01:43:12):
Not one hundred percent fair to just say, how is
Drake May in the clutch? How is your team in
the clutch? Because even during the Brady years, when you know,
you had those times where you had to convert third
down after third down and critical games, you know, in
the fourth quarter, it was great plays by Gronk, great
plays by Edelman, a stupid play by the other team,

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you know, all those things.

Speaker 2 (01:43:33):
You know, so you got to look at your team too.

Speaker 3 (01:43:36):
How is the pet how other guys been in the clutch?
Do they have mental you know, brain farts and you know,
have off size.

Speaker 8 (01:43:46):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:43:46):
So it's there's so much that it's about the quarterback though.
I mean, let's face it, well it is, you know
he he can't screw up either.

Speaker 3 (01:43:53):
But is it a team like that has a propensity
to do a stupid play like they did the last
four years? You know, I don't think so. I think
fundamentally they're more sound. Santo is by the way, he's
a PhD. So you got to listen to what he's saying.
Good for you, I says. In terms of Evan being

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an advanced scout, he says, I agree, Evan could fit
in as an advanced scout. I've been so impressed with
his insights and more so with his rationale of his opinions.
Clearly he does his homework. I even enjoyed his analysis
of the upcoming drafts looking at all the talent coming out,
can't believe the scouts the Patriots have are that much superior.

Speaker 2 (01:44:35):
Well, there you go.

Speaker 1 (01:44:37):
I and this is not a joke.

Speaker 8 (01:44:39):
I've said this to him since he started working with us,
and you know, we sort of got to know what
he's all about. And I've asked them many times if
he's ever given any any thought to try and to
get into the business, and he says, no, it's a
tough life, not really tough life.

Speaker 1 (01:44:53):
It's a tough life.

Speaker 3 (01:44:54):
On a side note, what is the logic for the
title of Catch twenty two? Is it related to the book?
If so, well, it is kind of a nod to
the book and you know the twenty All twenty two film. Yea,
the All twenty two film is so much.

Speaker 8 (01:45:08):
About what he and Barth do they hatch, what all
twenty two are doing, as well as like it's a
pun on the play on words with twenty two.

Speaker 3 (01:45:16):
So you know, they use the All twenty two film
as a part of their research. And so it's a
is that you Yeah, is that Catch twenty two?

Speaker 1 (01:45:24):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:45:24):
I came up with that, of course.

Speaker 8 (01:45:25):
I mean, in all seriousness, Yeah, it's one of the
best titles that I've heard for anything like that.

Speaker 3 (01:45:30):
Yeah, But obviously it's an ode. It's an o to
the movie and the book. It's perfect yeap Joseph Heller's book.
I believe Catch twenty two predictions. If I planned against
the Patriots' Sunday, I would try to win by keeping
May on the sideline, so the running game would need
to be important. Still, I would not be surprised that

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the Patriots would be ready for that game plan. So
the Patriots win because we have a better coaching staff
and dare I say, the better quarterback.

Speaker 2 (01:46:00):
I think it's a toss.

Speaker 8 (01:46:01):
I think both of those things remained to be seen.

Speaker 3 (01:46:03):
Yeah, I think it's a toss up. So it's gonna
come down to just a few plays.

Speaker 1 (01:46:10):
Yeah, I mean.

Speaker 8 (01:46:12):
The first game people, I think it was so long ago.
I don't think people remember just how badly Buffalo played
in that game. Like they had three turnovers and eleven
penalties yep, and still had the ball with a chance
to go ahead, and had a very close pass breakup

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that could have gone either way. That's interference or it's
a pass breakup, right, and the Bills could have taken
the lead, and they couldn't have played much worse. So
I just would caution on the whole you have the
edge here, you have the edge here, you have the
edge here.

Speaker 1 (01:46:49):
Stuff like this is.

Speaker 8 (01:46:52):
I think Buffalo is pretty good. They're not having a
great year, They're not healthy. I think you're catching them
at a great spot. I think they've sort of invested
a lot of energy the last couple of weeks. The
Patriots have a very good chance to win this game.
That's why I'm picking them. I think all the intangibles
are in the Patriots side.

Speaker 3 (01:47:07):
Do you think like picking up Brandon Cooks and who's
the other guy they picked up off the street?

Speaker 2 (01:47:14):
I forget another veteran. Is it any sign that they
believe we got to do this now?

Speaker 8 (01:47:20):
They don't have anybody, That's what It's a sign, and
all their guys are hurt. Well, Curtis Samuel's on I are.
Josh Palmer has been out the last couple of weeks.
Dalton Kinkaid missed a month. Like they needed guys to
come in and catch the ball.

Speaker 2 (01:47:32):
He was available, Yeah, Dylan and Nashville.

Speaker 3 (01:47:36):
I just want to point out that belichick six Super
bowls in New England came with two offensive coordinators, Charlie
Weiss and Josh Mcdaniels's McDaniels our most important offseason acquisition. Well,
I would say it's vyable, but he's number two maybe acquisitions.

Speaker 8 (01:47:53):
I mean, I don't know. They They signed a lot
of players that have been very, very important to.

Speaker 2 (01:47:59):
The but any more important than Daniels.

Speaker 8 (01:48:03):
Yeah, players are more important than coaches.

Speaker 2 (01:48:04):
Okay, all right, I.

Speaker 8 (01:48:07):
Mean, I'm not dismissing the coaching in this, but I'm
not doing this again.

Speaker 3 (01:48:11):
I was.

Speaker 8 (01:48:12):
I was on the wrong side of history before. I
ain't doing it again. I'm serious. I was on the
bill over Brady until like I was wrong. Yeah, like
you know, fool me once.

Speaker 3 (01:48:27):
Dylan in South Florida says, the anti Patriot disdain online
is back. Uh to start off, It's fantastic to be
back again. Now online, the vitriol against the Patriots and
fans is back in full strength.

Speaker 2 (01:48:41):
On Twitter.

Speaker 3 (01:48:42):
You got idiotic Denver fanboys yapping off and now, for
some reason, Baltimore fans.

Speaker 2 (01:48:47):
We're so back.

Speaker 3 (01:48:49):
Not one tweet by opposing fans goes by without downplaying
May and the team.

Speaker 2 (01:48:53):
It's pathetic. Really, I'm basking it. We are back.

Speaker 3 (01:48:57):
Happy holidays to all go Pats AC title may be
February sixth.

Speaker 2 (01:49:04):
So there you go. Let's see BB in New Hampshire, right, Sin,
I'm so hungry. I know you didn't.

Speaker 8 (01:49:16):
You got stiff today, but did It's not like our
boys there.

Speaker 2 (01:49:21):
I see Alex leaving now, but I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:49:23):
Maybe he's calling they forgot about me.

Speaker 3 (01:49:27):
What kind of offense do you think we'll see this
week against Buffalo? Do you predict we see lots from
Hunter Henry more of a digs and booty game. I
personally don't know what to expect, but I'm interested to
see how this approach is different from our first matchup
with Buffalo. Who has other than May who has to
stand out for the Patris to win this game?

Speaker 8 (01:49:48):
I would say the front seven. They can't allow James
Cook to pile up the yards. Defensive, yeah, yeah, defense, yeah, oh,
just offense we're talking about?

Speaker 2 (01:50:00):
Yeah, he was talking about I'm talking about offense. Who
has to you know?

Speaker 3 (01:50:03):
Is it a tight end game? Is it a running game?
Is it you know, downfield opening it up for the
running game.

Speaker 8 (01:50:09):
I think it's a good thing. You know, it's a
positive sign that Josh McDaniels has set this up, and
you just never know from week to week who that
guy is going to be. You know, the first Buffalo game,
it was Digs. But how many times have we seen
to be a different guy? Five it was MATC Collins,
a week, it was Kay Shambouti a week, it was

(01:50:30):
Hunter Henry a week. You know, like it could be
anybody to Mario Douglas. I just don't know, Like I
wouldn't know who to pick to predict that it's going
to be this guy this week, right, but somebody, somebody
would have to have, you know, a good game and
you know someone.

Speaker 1 (01:50:46):
I'd have to be productive.

Speaker 3 (01:50:47):
I'd love to see as we get closer to the playoffs,
week to week, Diggs having high production games, you know,
establishing that guy similar.

Speaker 2 (01:50:57):
To like how other teams number one.

Speaker 3 (01:51:01):
Does it every week, Like where Diggs is getting at
least you know, seventy eighty yards minimum every game.

Speaker 8 (01:51:07):
Yeah, I just don't think that he's that guy anymore
that can do. I mean, and it's not really anything
to do with his ACL. Like he wasn't that guy
in Houston last year before the ACL he was on
pace for like a thousand yard season, Like that's what
he's gonna do. He's he's their number one but I
don't think he's like a fifteen hundred yard guy, fourteen
hundred yard guy like he was in the past.

Speaker 14 (01:51:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:51:27):
The thing that I like about it, Fred is that
maybe he isn't doing the six or seven for one
hundred every week, but it seems pretty much every week
when he has a low production game, it's one or
two that come on third.

Speaker 1 (01:51:41):
And fourth down.

Speaker 2 (01:51:42):
Yes, he's the third down guy.

Speaker 1 (01:51:43):
The fourth down.

Speaker 8 (01:51:45):
Really, he's been the guy almost every time.

Speaker 2 (01:51:47):
Yeah, No, he's he's definitely.

Speaker 8 (01:51:49):
He might not have a big week, he might get
three for thirty two yards, but two of those are
on fourth down that are instrumental when you're winning the game.

Speaker 2 (01:51:58):
Let's see who's thish.

Speaker 3 (01:52:00):
No, he doesn't say, but his headline subject line is
don't fear the Bills, Ravens and Texans and reasons why.

Speaker 2 (01:52:09):
I hear all this?

Speaker 8 (01:52:10):
You know the previous email that said we're back. Yeah,
that to me is the proof that we're back. We
have now completely dismissed everybody else.

Speaker 3 (01:52:18):
I hear all the fear back, So this person says,
I hear all the fear about facing the Texans in
the playoffs. Let's not forget how absolutely dialed in. Digs
was the first time against the Bills. I'm confident he
will be at least as dialed in against the Texans,
who decided to not invest in him after a season
ending injury for that team. Motivation. Hell yeah, I'm not

(01:52:39):
fearing the Bills and Ravens games. I think our teams
are players, and our coaches will show up. They might
not get a dub, but they will show up, compete,
and they will learn about themselves and work on any
remaining holes in their operation.

Speaker 8 (01:52:53):
Yeah, the Ravens aren't in this conversation. They're not a
good team this year.

Speaker 1 (01:52:56):
I mean it is what it is.

Speaker 8 (01:52:57):
They're six and seven, right, Yeah, No the other ones, Yeah,
I don't dismiss No, I don't dismiss nine and fourteen.

Speaker 2 (01:53:05):
They go in the wrong direction, the Ravens. Right.

Speaker 3 (01:53:07):
Jared in La has a problem with show attendance. My
only major great with the show is that the cast
is so infrequent. Even Paul's starting to not appear on
show days. The day before Thanksgiving was poor to me.

Speaker 8 (01:53:22):
So I'll just let you know. The day before Christmas
Eve will be another one.

Speaker 2 (01:53:25):
You're gonna do. I have my show holiday.

Speaker 8 (01:53:29):
Filling holiday filling work. You know, I have two hundred
and eighty one thousand miles on my car. I need
something we should do. Oh that starts at two, right, Yeah,
it's two.

Speaker 2 (01:53:37):
Okay. I was going to say we could do a crossover. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:53:42):
But the most bothersome miss almost every week is Evan
not being at picks. I'm sorry, you cannot convince me
that you need to be gone for that to catch
quotes from Vrabel and even I have acted that even
I have access to. Even Alex makes the picks, and
it's annoying that she's never there to accept them.

Speaker 2 (01:54:01):
I don't know what that means. I truly think you
all need.

Speaker 3 (01:54:04):
To do better and should treat this more seriously rather
than taken for granted approach. Most of you have now
love the show. I skip Christian in LA's time on
the show every time. If I ever run into him,
I will think about tripping him.

Speaker 2 (01:54:18):
Okay, j kinch.

Speaker 8 (01:54:20):
I would assume that that's a little tongue in cheek,
but if it's not, if it's serious, I would just
say there are other things that go on, like I
almost never miss a show. Like when I miss a show,
it's because I get an opportunity to fill in, as
Fred likes to make fun of me for the holiday
fill in guy. Otherwise, I'm here every show for the
full show, but for Mike and Hevin, the locker.

Speaker 1 (01:54:43):
Room is open.

Speaker 8 (01:54:45):
There are things that they need to do, like that's
part of what we do here, Like it's not just
this show. I love the show. Fred loves the show.
That's why we're here more often than not. But I
don't necessarily make fun of the others that have to
go to the locker room as an example.

Speaker 3 (01:55:00):
Yeah, Nate and Connecticut rights in Buffalo doesn't scare me
too much.

Speaker 2 (01:55:07):
Don't get me wrong.

Speaker 3 (01:55:07):
I think there's a fifty to fifty chance that who
will win the game on Sunday, But I think the
Patriots have the ability to beat any team in the
NFL this season.

Speaker 2 (01:55:14):
I'm just hoping for a very competitive and entertaining game.

Speaker 3 (01:55:18):
The Patriots have surpassed my expectations this season, and no
matter how the rest of the season goes, I'll be
pretty happy.

Speaker 2 (01:55:24):
But of course I'm rooting for them to win the
Super Bowl. I love the show. Coming up on twenty
years of listening, well.

Speaker 8 (01:55:29):
I would agree with that the tenor of that email, like, Yeah,
I don't think you should be afraid of any of
these teams, So if you want to use that word scared,
I'm not. Yeah, I would agree, I just but you
also said I think it's like a fifty to fifty game.
I would agree with that too. I could see Buffalo winning.
I could see the Patriots winning. I think the Patriots
have some edges in this game that are going to

(01:55:50):
be the difference.

Speaker 3 (01:55:52):
Tay from Nebraska rights in, We've got a big game,
not only this weekend but also next. I do think
they both potentially could really tell us about if this
team at this point in the year is ready to
make a postseason run.

Speaker 2 (01:56:04):
Look, speaking of runs.

Speaker 3 (01:56:09):
Friendly to that, none of them looked like Devik, Henry
and Mike.

Speaker 4 (01:56:13):
What was it like?

Speaker 9 (01:56:14):
Wow, just under the bar here, jus, it was crazy
in there.

Speaker 7 (01:56:17):
This is like I haven't seen a locker room like
this busy and maybe go back to twenty nine.

Speaker 1 (01:56:22):
Was there a lot out of town and just a
lot of new.

Speaker 7 (01:56:25):
Faces, A couple out of town, but reporters, cameras just
I mean, scrom scrom scrum, I mean we did a bunch.
We talked to Diggs at the top as we always do,
but him Gonzalez, Tonga, Vederian Lowe mac Hollins, and usually
we get.

Speaker 8 (01:56:40):
Like maybe two or three, but it's and there was
from Tonga.

Speaker 1 (01:56:44):
Did you get he was asking.

Speaker 7 (01:56:45):
About it and I think he's still dealing with something
I you know, but roach he asked him, you know, specifically,
how you feeling you're ready to play both sides of
the ball.

Speaker 1 (01:56:53):
He's like, yeah, you know, I'm feeling pretty good.

Speaker 7 (01:56:55):
You know, it's kind of playing a little koy, you know,
and the big theme I would just say.

Speaker 2 (01:56:59):
But he asked the eating question, not are you going
to play? But how do you feel about playing?

Speaker 11 (01:57:03):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:57:03):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Now that that's classic broachy. But a
lot of stuff about just playing a team a second time?
What is a game plan?

Speaker 5 (01:57:10):
Like now?

Speaker 7 (01:57:10):
You know, just saying everything is kind of on tape
and you know, teams are ultimately going to do what
they do best. They might have some wrinkles, but they're
going to get back to what they've done best.

Speaker 1 (01:57:19):
But I just I can't say.

Speaker 7 (01:57:20):
Enough about the atmosphere in the locker room today. And
you know a lot of guys are you're underdogs now?
Diggs was like I hadn't heard that, and I didn't know.

Speaker 2 (01:57:26):
You know, it was it upbeat, it.

Speaker 7 (01:57:28):
Was very up be Yeah, I mean it was any music, no,
no music, but just you know, commotion. I mean, there's
just so many people in the locker room. I mean
it's you know, Paul, you know on Friday, it's just
like a little clump usually in.

Speaker 2 (01:57:38):
The middle, but this is Jenny elbowing and spread out.

Speaker 1 (01:57:40):
Not really well, you know, I like respect my person
in the space.

Speaker 2 (01:57:44):
Usually the camera they start yelling at writers that get
in front of their camera.

Speaker 8 (01:57:49):
Yeah, yeah, bang in the head with the micro But
Diggs was funny.

Speaker 1 (01:57:52):
He's like, you know, are you excited. He's like, yeah,
I'm excited.

Speaker 7 (01:57:54):
You probably can't tell though, you know, so he's playing
cool to the best, close to the best. But yeah,
it's just you can tell the energy is really good
right now and they're getting ready. I couldn't even see him.
I mean I see him in there, but like, there's
just it's just a massive humanity the whole locker room.

Speaker 8 (01:58:10):
Might make it to the locker room because I think
Fred I think, yeah, I might have hit a nerve there, and.

Speaker 1 (01:58:17):
He seemed okay, he's the idea.

Speaker 7 (01:58:18):
I mean I crossed paths with him a couple of times,
but I didn't see what he was, you know, getting
himself into.

Speaker 8 (01:58:22):
But it was good news for your foods here afterwards
you might have to find any.

Speaker 2 (01:58:27):
Late than never.

Speaker 1 (01:58:28):
So there it is.

Speaker 7 (01:58:29):
I ran back because we were just going scrum to
scrumb to scrumb, and then I'm like, man, I got
to get back to tell the guys like this was
you know, really active locker room. From what I see,
feels like a playoff, you know, it feels like, you know,
games going to get bigger is a big game.

Speaker 2 (01:58:42):
They all get harder, and you know next year.

Speaker 3 (01:58:44):
They'll have a bigger locker room, so they're gonna need
it hopefully. All Right, Well that's going to be it
for this edition of Patriots Unfiltered. Good show, good show,
a lot of analytics talking to bunkery. Uh, we'll be
back tomorrow at noon, a big show because we've got
picks in a hurry. Yeah, let's see if that line changes,

(01:59:05):
but we'll see you tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (01:59:10):
Hey, this is Alex.

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