Patriots Unfiltered 12/17: Ravens Preview, Vrabel Presser/Reaction, Locker Room Report

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All right, welcome the Patriots Unfiltered. It is Wednesday here
at j Les Stadium. I turn the page day. We'll
be turning our eyes to the Baltimore Ravens for a
Sunday night game. But you know, there's probably still some
residue from the Bills game that people want to talk about.
So that's okay, but we are going to focus on

(01:46):
the on the Ravens today. We got Mike Rabel at
one ten. I believe that is that what he's coming on.

Speaker 3 (01:53):
Yeah, yeah, on the nose when you know, I can't
tell people one because it's.

Speaker 2 (01:58):
Oh, you're complaining now getting more information, you know.

Speaker 3 (02:02):
It's just like consistency. Fred.

Speaker 2 (02:04):
Oh well the same time, listen, I like the communication
from this regime. I have no complaints, no complaints. I
think they're outstanding, outstanding.

Speaker 1 (02:14):
Well, you got to deal with it a lot. I mean,
we don't want to have those conversations on keeping the
train on the track.

Speaker 2 (02:20):
You asked the question, you get a response, you get explanations.
It's it's it's it's wonderful anyway. Okay, So it's Evan
it's Paul, let's do us, it's me, It's Alex and
Matt in the booth that.

Speaker 1 (02:35):
I like that sing song. Yeah it's good.

Speaker 2 (02:39):
I'm feeling good.

Speaker 1 (02:40):
I'm feeling better, A feeling better, No, no, no more
dark Fred feeling better?

Speaker 3 (02:44):
Do you hear what when Matt Collins said about it,
about what about the game on Sunday and the loss?

Speaker 2 (02:49):
What did he say?

Speaker 3 (02:50):
He said, like, when you know, because everybody poops, right,
so when you take a poop, you don't stare at
it forever. You gotta flush it eventually. Yeah, so we
were flushing.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
It, flushed the poop.

Speaker 3 (02:59):
Yeah, we're done.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
We buried the ball.

Speaker 3 (03:01):
Yeah, I don't know about that, but they flushed the poop. Okay, yeah,
all right, that's what we're going with.

Speaker 2 (03:05):
So he thought it was a turn of the game.
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (03:09):
I don't want to put work in his mouth, but
that was that was his metaphor.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
Okay, because you thought it was a pretty good game.

Speaker 3 (03:17):
You know, that was a good game football game.

Speaker 5 (03:20):
Yeah, I mean in terms of the Patriots, it wasn't
without his parrots.

Speaker 2 (03:23):
They didn't play so poorly.

Speaker 5 (03:25):
They did some things. Well, yeah, was that their best half?
The first half is probably the best, probably the best
half of the season.

Speaker 3 (03:31):
Might be their best fast and Tom Brady was here. Yeah, yeah,
I mean that was Yeah.

Speaker 5 (03:37):
Dude, I had the pleasure of, you know, chatting with
Claire today on a clear perspective.

Speaker 7 (03:43):
Yes, yeah, I said what Devon just said.

Speaker 5 (03:47):
I think it was not only this year is probably
the best half in quite some time. Yeah, best best
football they played in a while. Now, it doesn't matter
when you can't come away with a win. But yeah,
I mean there were some things that you should feel
good about.

Speaker 2 (04:02):
All right. So how you know, coming off that game,
how concerned are we about stopping the run against the Ravens? Very?
Very yes.

Speaker 3 (04:12):
I don't know how you can't be.

Speaker 7 (04:13):
I've been worried about stopping their run for.

Speaker 1 (04:15):
A while, and I've been worried about Derreck Henry since
August twenty nineteen. Correct, when he walked in front of
me in a pair of shorts, I said, good luck
to arrest to tackle that guy.

Speaker 5 (04:27):
Well, I made the unfortunate mistake of asking Duce a
question while he was looking at Derrick Henry.

Speaker 7 (04:32):
I never got a response.

Speaker 2 (04:33):
Well, to be fair, I mean, it's not like he's
lights out this year. Teams have had success stopping him
this year. It's not like every game against one hundred yards.

Speaker 3 (04:40):
I mean they're third in the league and rushing, so
not a ton of success. It's still a really good
rushing team, really good. I don't know why are they
seven and seven? Yeah, Lamar's hurt.

Speaker 5 (04:51):
Hurt, Yeah, but he still has run for eleven hundred
and twenty five yards ten touchdowns.

Speaker 7 (04:56):
He averages almost five yards.

Speaker 2 (04:58):
There's certain games where he's not done that well.

Speaker 7 (05:01):
And then other games of the games that Lamar didn't play.

Speaker 3 (05:04):
In and they had he had some fumbling issues.

Speaker 7 (05:08):
Definitely cost them the first game of the year.

Speaker 3 (05:11):
Yeah, but their run game is awesome. It's it's schemed well,
they got good players. They got recarred as a beast
like this is old school there, smash mouthed bully ball
like this is not going to be.

Speaker 2 (05:25):
So Patriots have the personnel to combat that as we
stand right now.

Speaker 7 (05:32):
So I have a question for the You like to
ask the ball knowers.

Speaker 5 (05:36):
So I'm going to ask the ball knowers Mike and
and Evan oh me, Yeah, I mean, all right, do
you think the James Cooks style smaller quicker slasher or
the power guy and Derrick Henry? Which one do you
think the Patriots are better suited to defend?

Speaker 2 (05:52):
I think earlier it was Oh geez, so I can't answer. Okay,
go ahead. I think early in the season they'd rather
have the big guy.

Speaker 1 (06:02):
What do you mean because the just harder to kick
guys on the cold kind of thing.

Speaker 2 (06:06):
No, no, just they I'm just saying the way the
team was playing against the run earlier in the season.
You know everybody was healthy. Williams Tonga, I think you
know they they'll take their chances against the guy who's
not the slasher.

Speaker 7 (06:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (06:22):
I think they can be better. I can think even
better than they were last week against James Cook. I
am concerned about the mistackle rate that that popped back
up last week. That's something with Derrick Henry that you
wouldn't really expect with James Cook as much. I know
he's shifty, but this is what Derreck Henry does. He's
a big tackle breaking machine. But if they get back
to playing in sync and everyone's got the right call,

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everyone knows what they're executing. I think that was part
of the problem last week, then I think that they
can be okay, but I still look at the Ravens
team and say they've got all the elements you need
to attack this Patriots team where their weakest and I mean,
you know, look no farther than last week where they
don't have a lot of receiving threats, but they can
do it with the tight ends and the run game
gets going, and you know, it's.

Speaker 2 (07:04):
A bad matchup.

Speaker 1 (07:05):
I mean, I think it is a little bit of
a bad matchup, at least defensively without explain, without Moulton Williams.
You know, again you're looking at Christian Gonzalez, you know,
probably not going to cover as they flower, so you know,
not a lot for him to do. They can try
to attack Marcus Jones a little bit with him. So
I yeah, I don't think it's a great matchup the
Ravens offense. It's just to me, it really depends on
does Lamar do what Josh Allen did last week and

(07:27):
start to play MVP titles. Ravens are favorite, I think
slightly their favor but I will say Ravens haven't been
anybody good. So I don't know the Patriots good or not,
but the Ravens haven't been anybody good.

Speaker 2 (07:38):
Unless you all those good teams fall during when Lamar
was hurt.

Speaker 3 (07:41):
He was hurt some of them, Yeah, the weeks five
through eight, But he's hurt now, Like he's not the
same player that he has been, especially not the last
two years when he was, you know, probably the second
best quarterback in the league. They in terms of Paul's question,
I don't know if it matters because they were giving

(08:02):
up all the runs up the middle to Cook two,
So that's where they're gonna Ravens. They're gonna hit them now.
Cook is a little bit different, of course. But I
think the biggest thing with the Patriots last week is
I just thought that the details in terms of their
run fits just weren't there. Like the guys were getting
out of gaps, and they weren't you know, in sync

(08:24):
in the box in terms of how they were going
to stop the run. You can't do that against Baltimore,
Like it's not the thing about Baltimore's run game, too,
is that it's explosive. Like it's not just that they're
gonna get you at five six yards of carry. You know,
every single time, they're second in the league an explosive
run rate as well, so they can hit big ones
on you too if you're not careful. So I think

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the one thing that they might have though, is like
if you can bottle up the run game enough, Like
the Ravens drop back passing game right now is not
very good, and so if you can get them into
that straight drop back game, then you have a chance.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
How do you do that?

Speaker 3 (09:01):
Stop the run? Yeah, I mean they gotta stop the run.
You gotta stop the play action, you gotta stop the RPOs.
All that goes into it. And you know they're running
the ball a little bit more from under center now.
I think that's probably related to Lamar's health, but that
they get the quarterback under center and McCard in the
backfield and Henry behind him, and that's a lot of
that's a lot of beef coming at you.

Speaker 2 (09:22):
What's the early weather report for Baltimore.

Speaker 3 (09:24):
I think it's gonna be nicer. I heard like forties
or fifties from some folks.

Speaker 7 (09:29):
Good news for Drake.

Speaker 1 (09:31):
Yeah, me wonderful. Where is Yeah?

Speaker 5 (09:33):
I asked the question about Henry because and I agree
with you, they're going to try to do a lot
of the you know, similar kind of you know between
the tackles, you know, power football, But does Cook's ability
to sort of squirt through the whole a little bit quicker? Yeah,
you know, Henry's always been a guy, even at his height,
he's been a guy who takes a little time. If
you can get him in the backfield before he gets going,

(09:55):
you can shut him down. That's why I was asking you,
do you think.

Speaker 4 (09:58):
I like that?

Speaker 1 (09:59):
I like that that observation.

Speaker 3 (10:01):
Mitchell's a good player too, though their their speed back
this is he's a good player too. But yeah, I
hear you. I think that was the one thing. And
do you say you kind of hite it at this
Yesterday they just didn't make very many plays on the
other side of the line of scrimmage against Buffalo, Like
there just wasn't enough disruption, whether that was against the
pass or the run, but there wasn't enough TFLs, there

(10:22):
wasn't enough stuffs, Like, there just wasn't enough plays on
the other side of the line of scrimmage for the Patriots.
So if they can find ways to make that happen
a little bit more consistently this week, then I hear
what you're saying.

Speaker 5 (10:34):
And I wonder, you know, I mean obviously if you
get a twenty one nothing lead the way they did again,
you know, I think it's game set match, you know,
against it, I guess because I don't think they have
the ability, as Evan just said, to be a strict
dropback passing team. You know, you look at their receiving totals,
Zay Flowers with forty one, then it's the tight ends.
You go all the way down to eighteen for you know,

(10:55):
Bateman and Hopkins and those guys. So they want to throw,
you know, sort of mix it in. They they want
to control the game the way they you know, whether.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
Defense is better Bills or Ravens Ravens.

Speaker 5 (11:10):
Yeah, they didn't play well earlier in the year, but
the Ravens have better personnel on defense.

Speaker 3 (11:14):
The Ravens defense since like Week six, has been one
of the best defenses in the league. They started off horribly,
like historically bad for their standards. I think they're giving
up like thirty five a game in the first five
weeks of this forty.

Speaker 5 (11:25):
One seventeen to Cleveland, then thirty eight, thirty seven, forty four.
That's how they started the season. Yeah, it was like
hist it's been okay, Yeah, it sounds.

Speaker 2 (11:34):
To me like Ravens should be like six point favorites
in this game.

Speaker 7 (11:38):
No, it's like two and a half.

Speaker 1 (11:39):
I think, Yeah, I think, I mean, I think. I
think people are still struggling to really get a beat
on them with Lamar back, and it's just one of
those things where you just don't you don't want to
mark him down because you know the talent he possesses,
but how hurt is.

Speaker 5 (11:51):
He And I think if he was running and doing
his typical Lamar Jackson, yeah, they would be probably a
touchdown favorite in this game.

Speaker 7 (11:57):
But that's not the case.

Speaker 5 (11:58):
And you know, Mike, you mentioned like they've played a
much more difficult schedule, but they only be one really
good team and that's Chicago. They've had a lot of
clo I mean, I lost forty one forty to the Bills,
they lost thirty eight thirty to the Lions. They you know,
they got killed by the Texans without Lamar. They've had

(12:21):
some some opportunities against better teams, but the only one
they were able to beat with Chicago thirty to sixteen.

Speaker 7 (12:27):
Yeah, that's a good win.

Speaker 4 (12:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (12:29):
They they've had a weird year, you know, they've Lamar's
been hurt Mattabique. Their their best pass rusher is on
injured reserve. He's out for the year. So their their
pass rush has fallen off a cliff here, and they've
been kind of getting away with smoking mirrors in their
pass rush ever since. You know, they haven't really had

(12:50):
a Ravens type season. You know, seven and seven is
not what you expect from the Ravens. And I think
the two biggest things that you look at, you know,
lamar in the drop back passing just hasn't really been there.
If you can get them out of run run play action,
like you can get them out of that sequencing and
turn it into a drop back passing game, then you
can have some success. And their past defense, they haven't

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really gotten a ton of pressure around the quarterback. So
there he should have time, Drake should have time back there.
They should be able to block it. You know, it's
the same thing as last week. They're gonna spin the dial,
They're gonna show them different pictures and can the defense,
you know, the offense and the receivers and Drake, you know,
can he react to it better this time around? And

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what Buffalo did in the second half, You know.

Speaker 1 (13:35):
Yeah, I look at the Kyle Hamilton, you know, playing
sub linebacker a lot on tight ends a lot. So
you know, how is he take Hunter Henry out of
the equation? You know, that was something we talked about.
Is that part of the what do you call it
the binky the formulat print, part of the blueprint? I mean,
that's always taking Hunter Henry out of it. But Kyle

(13:56):
van Noy.

Speaker 8 (13:57):
Still out there still, It's incredible I think that I'm
out there.

Speaker 3 (14:02):
It's incredible that he's still playing at a pretty high level. Yeah,
but yeah, you know, Hamilton's an awesome player, and they Starks.

Speaker 1 (14:10):
Now it seemed like Starks now the free safety and
they'll play a.

Speaker 5 (14:12):
Lot of Gilman kwya Gilman before the trade deadline. That's
really allowed for your center free I mean Hamilton, not Henderson.

Speaker 3 (14:20):
So yeah, yeah, that was you know, I was reading
up a little bit on you know, how they turned
this thing around, because they're they're numbers like splits between
the first five weeks and then since then it pretty.

Speaker 5 (14:31):
I read you those those numbers off the top. So
they they're six and two in their last eight games.
This is what they allowed in those eight games, seventeen
sixteen six, nineteen sixteen, ten, thirty two, twenty seven. Guess
what happened in those two games? And then zero so
six and oh while allowing twenty or fewer points actually

(14:52):
under twenty in all of those games, and then the
two that they allowed more, they lost because they don't
have that kind of offense anymore, not with Lamar not
at full strength.

Speaker 1 (15:00):
Yeah, it's interesting they've only kind of ended up with
they flowers because it felt like the last few years
they've been constantly trying, like Bateman and Hapkins.

Speaker 5 (15:09):
It's been heard, and I think he's heard now. I
don't think he's playing in this game.

Speaker 3 (15:13):
Right, I don't think so. He didn't play last week.

Speaker 5 (15:16):
So they haven't been able to be consistent enough. I
don't think Lamar is consistent enough as a strict passer.

Speaker 3 (15:23):
Yeah, he's he's one of the and he's probably one
of my favorite players in the league. Incredibly talented, but
he's one of those guys that loves to throw the
middle of the field. If he can throw to the
tight ends and flowers over the middle of the field,
the seams, the crossing routes, you know, things like that,
he can be lethal. But when you asked him to
throw the ball outside the numbers and push the ball

(15:43):
down the field outside the numbers. All going all the
way back to Louisville, he has not been a very
good outside the numbers passer. So like that's that's the book, right,
Like you gotta stop the run, you gotta flood the
middle of the field, and you got to turn him
into a drop back passer. You know, he doesn't have
the scrambling special trait as much anymore now, so you

(16:04):
can hope that maybe you can actually catch him if
he goes and tries to take off Nike in years past,
So that if you're trying to beat this team, like
that's that those are the objectives. Stop the run, take
away the middle of the field, don't let him scramble
on you.

Speaker 1 (16:20):
Yeah, I mean, do you think he's lost it permanently
or do you think this is just a he's been
hurt this year and he doesn't because I agree, like
I still really passed, but he just doesn't have the
like ludicrous speed right gear anymore, or at least this
season for what it's worth.

Speaker 3 (16:32):
He's, uh, he's incredibly banged up. He's got like three
different lower body injuries one leg. Yeah, it's like knee,
ankle toe, Like.

Speaker 5 (16:41):
What's it all started with a hamstring. He missed the
month with a hamstring, which you know we saw that.
They linger.

Speaker 1 (16:46):
Yeah, and then they apparently I mean other injuries starts because
you're compensating and all that. So they asking me a challenge,
no question, I mean I I also point I said
it on the postgame show. Just the atmosphere, the Patriots
having to get their end energy back up off of
a loss on the road. You know, it's they did
it earlier in the season against Buffalo, but I think
these games are are a big challenge for the coaching

(17:07):
staff to get them ready to you know, manage the
energy to counter what Baltimore seven and seven like. You know,
they got to keep pace with Pittsburgh. There's a lot
for the Ravens to play for and to come out
and you know, beat the Patriots at home. So Patriots
are gonna have to come ready to play.

Speaker 7 (17:21):
Yeah. It's funny. It's the team that can't lose on
the road.

Speaker 5 (17:24):
The Patriots the only undefeated team on the road, and
then the Ravens a team that can't win at home.

Speaker 7 (17:29):
Yeah, they're three and five at home three and five.

Speaker 2 (17:32):
Yeah, So if the Patriots win this game, blank happened
to make the playoffs?

Speaker 1 (17:38):
Oh? What happened?

Speaker 9 (17:41):
They?

Speaker 1 (17:42):
I think they came the run game, And I mean
that's probably the biggest X factor is just Drake may
play well.

Speaker 2 (17:48):
So last week, last week's failure to stop the run,
you're saying you'd think it was a just a technique thing.
It wasn't all.

Speaker 3 (17:58):
I don't think it was just a week too.

Speaker 1 (18:00):
I think when you're missing talent, you need your defense
to all play and sink and know what the calls
are and to build the wall and to you know,
know who's going where. And this it just reminded me
of the defenses of the last couple of years where
they just didn't have talent. They couldn't make plays, they
couldn't play on their side of the field. It was
just you know, you get lucky with a penalty or
I mean, Paul, we talk about this all the time,
like you can get a holding penalty, like there it

(18:20):
is they're getting off the field. I don't know if
it's that extreme with this group right now, but you know,
that's kind of how it felt to me, like they
just they they couldn't make plays.

Speaker 2 (18:28):
But is that because, like I'm trying to get that,
because of people, or is it because of X's and oh.

Speaker 3 (18:35):
Well, I would say that, you know, they since Milton
Williams has gone out there, run defense has fallen off
a cliff, So that would suggest and you know it's Williams,
it's Tonga has missed some time in there, Spallaine has
now missed some time in there. And now we're talking
about the spine of the defense. So you're and you're going,
you know, James Cook is coming right down your throat. Well,

(18:56):
Milton Williams in Splaine are supposed to be right there
and they're not right now. So I think that there's
a lot of that going on. But in this game
against the Bills. I didn't necessarily think this was the
case before the Bills game, But in this game against
the Bills, I couldn't tell you what they were trying
to do from a Fit six perspective, Like guys were
out of gaps, Like guys weren't were late to Filly.

(19:17):
You know, Tonga's like jumping the backfield, but nobody's replacing him.

Speaker 2 (19:21):
Like in the It's almost like they were guessing and
like getting it wrong.

Speaker 7 (19:24):
So and there's probably some of that.

Speaker 5 (19:26):
And I also think you know, as you get later
in the year, it because the power teams sometimes I
think can get an advantage as the year goes on
because you're not as quite as fresh and it's a
little bit harder to get off those blocks. And now
in this particular case, you take Spleine out right, so
obviously he's a good player, and you're missing a good player,

(19:48):
which that's you know, a parent like you need a
good player. But there's more snaps now for Gibbons, there's
more snaps now for Ellis, there's more snaps for Tavai
where that was kind of a you know, explain, was
an every down player. The other guy's kind of rotated
in so those guys aren't quite as fresh as they
might have been in another game Tonga, Did Tonga play

(20:10):
more snaps in the season high These kind of things
you just kind of watch, Yeah, don't check it, just
just go with it.

Speaker 7 (20:17):
You have a feel for it, and.

Speaker 2 (20:20):
It's great.

Speaker 3 (20:20):
It's actually pretty good.

Speaker 5 (20:21):
Yeah, that's like I think that's part of it. You know,
it's not just missing good players. Obviously, you want your
good players out there, but it's the trickle down a fact.

Speaker 3 (20:32):
It just was weird, Like they kept on having toanga
I try to shoot the backside gap and he would
just shoot the gap get washed out, and then nobody
would take his spot, like and so then the a
gap was just left uncovered. And I was just like
I couldn't tell you, like without being in the meeting
and knowing the calls and all, like, I don't know
what was supposed to happen. It just wasn't happening. And

(20:55):
like the linebackers were just seemed, you know, like they
were just getting reached by the lineman CLI up to
the second level and you know, they were just getting bullied.
And I just I don't know if that if you're
better on your details and you come in with the
right mentality of stopping the run, like in theory, you
should do better about that, but who knows, Like, you know,

(21:15):
all last year it was the same thing and they
just didn't have the personnel to stop it.

Speaker 5 (21:20):
I've always felt the best way to stop a really
good running game is by scoring, because that makes the
running game uncomfortable.

Speaker 7 (21:29):
Yep, you know, and.

Speaker 5 (21:32):
Theoretically, you know, my theory takes a big hit Sunday
because theoretically you did that, like you get a.

Speaker 2 (21:38):
Twenty one, you completely stopped.

Speaker 7 (21:41):
But that should eliminate completely.

Speaker 5 (21:43):
What I'm saying is, when you get up twenty one nothing,
you shouldn't be able to continue to run the ball
and get back in the game. And Buffalo did. Yeah,
but you know they were able to. You know, give
them credit. They stayed patient enough with it because they
probably feel like they have.

Speaker 2 (21:59):
To, you know, but they did it and so quickly,
just you know, like the time, you know, in their
first two drives. Now they're down by one score, so
now they can stick to the run, you.

Speaker 5 (22:11):
Know, But they weren't. They were still down by two scores.
After they scored twice, twenty four to fourteen. I give
them credit for they scored.

Speaker 2 (22:19):
It was twenty four to seven going into the second half, right, Yeah,
then they scored twice unanswered to make it all.

Speaker 7 (22:27):
It's the fourth quarter, it's quarter. It was the first March.
They scored twice in the third quarter, twice in the fourth.

Speaker 2 (22:33):
It was the first two drives of the third quarter
that they got within one score.

Speaker 1 (22:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (22:37):
I think most teams down twenty one nothing aren't going
to pound James Cook away at you.

Speaker 1 (22:40):
They did.

Speaker 7 (22:41):
I give them credit for that.

Speaker 2 (22:42):
Well, I think if we if we had scored coming out.

Speaker 5 (22:45):
And we actually said thank.

Speaker 2 (22:47):
You, you know what I'm talking.

Speaker 5 (22:49):
Well, I just don't think it's accurate. I give them credit.

Speaker 7 (22:52):
I do.

Speaker 5 (22:53):
I don't think most teams would continue to pound James
Cook between the tackles.

Speaker 2 (22:57):
They were able to do it because we didn't when
we had the.

Speaker 7 (23:01):
Ball, right.

Speaker 5 (23:02):
That's why I said the best defense the running game
is an offense.

Speaker 2 (23:06):
Right.

Speaker 7 (23:07):
But my theory took a hit on Sunday.

Speaker 2 (23:09):
Yeah, because it didn't work. Actually, stick it up for you.
They stopped scoring, and the Bill sub we got this offense.

Speaker 1 (23:17):
Now we can stick to our run. And it was
you know, throw to score, run to win. They couldn't
run to win either. You know that's part of it too.
I mean I still think, like had the Patriots sustained
some of that throwing and scoring into the third quarter,
that they might have still won it in spite of
allowing those yards. So, I mean, I still think your
theory about that is ex accurate.

Speaker 5 (23:35):
It's if you think it'd be different this week, because
I don't think Lamar is is Lamar right, yeah, yeah, no,
Josh Allen, you know if you could rip off, you know,
so I say that I don't. I don't like their
chances the Ravens, like in a drop back game. Normally
I would be fine with that, even though I don't
think that's great because Lamar can drop back, you know,
fifteen plays in a row, and he might get a

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twenty five yard run or two in some of those dropbacks.
I don't think he can do that, right, I just
look at his numbers. Is you know, he's only average
in five and a half yards of carry. That's a
really low number for him. Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised
if that's a career low number. That's another one, and
I won't check it.

Speaker 7 (24:12):
I'll just go with it.

Speaker 3 (24:13):
And they also don't run him. Are aren't running him
as much by design because they don't want to risk it,
you know. So there's that angle of it too. But
I give Buffalo a lot of credit as well, because
I thought it was really telling that they came out
of halftime running because they kind of know that that
right now is there. That's how Okay, let's get control
of this game. Very first play of the second half

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is outside zone to James Cook, like it wasn't let's
drop back Allen right like, and he's a great player,
but like it does seem like Buffalo right now is
like our run game is the best thing that we
have going. Yeah, and they in order to settle that
game down, they went to James Cook. They didn't go
to Josh Allen.

Speaker 1 (24:52):
Yeah, it made stay balanced. But I'd also say that
a lot of the key plays were Josh Allen just
doing Josh Allen things with you know, the fourth down throws,
and I mean, you know it's yeah, I think they
just they stay balanced. I don't think they you don't necessarily.
I mean you're right, like they know what their identity is.
And I think that's really hard to do, especially when
you're chasing, and it's i mean, it's something we talk
about with the Patriots sometimes where it's like just staying

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balanced enough so that you're you know, staying balanced, you know,
running enough so that you're staying balanced, especially in the
second half. But you know a lot of different ways
you can solve that problem. Just score or be able
to run the ball yourself, or just sustain a possession
for five minutes you know, it's.

Speaker 2 (25:27):
Well, that's what I'm counting on this game. I'm counting
on a bounce back game from Drake May. I'm counting
on them putting up, you know, over that twenty whatever
threshold that they need to beat this team.

Speaker 3 (25:39):
Yeah, yeah, I do think that there's you know, I
think he'll have opportunities to throw the ball on say night,
because I don't think their pass rush is particularly good,
and in order to get pass rush, they kind of
need to scheme it up and they need to blitz.
So if you're going up against Drake, I think that's
a tough way to live.

Speaker 4 (25:56):
Now.

Speaker 2 (25:57):
You mentioned it's going to be a little mild. Uh
that's during the day. It is going to be below
freezing at night.

Speaker 3 (26:03):
Once against to the night. Yeah yeah, yeah, but that
thing is starting to bug me.

Speaker 2 (26:08):
That's okay, okay, the whole playing in the cold thing.

Speaker 3 (26:12):
It's such a small sample size, right, Like, can we
give it more than like one or two games?

Speaker 2 (26:16):
Are people definitively saying he can or are they wondering.

Speaker 3 (26:20):
The people are at the point now where he's a
or we're trending towards bad bad weather.

Speaker 2 (26:25):
Quarterback, You've got a refresher timeline. You need a timeline refreshure.

Speaker 3 (26:30):
It's not just my timeline. We have people calling into
the show on catch two. Yeah, and like I just
I'm going to kind of like throw out his rookie
season because that teams stunk. Yeah, and so like I'm
not going to hold it against him that he didn't
like they got their doors blown off of them by
the Chargers when it was cold out Like that's that
was one good team versus one bad team.

Speaker 7 (26:51):
I would totally agree with that.

Speaker 3 (26:52):
So he's really played like one truly cold weather game
and it was last week. So because he played one
bad game against really one bad half against Buffalo. Now
he's a bad cold weather quarterback.

Speaker 7 (27:05):
Wasn't he kind of cold in the Giants game?

Speaker 3 (27:08):
Yeah, I mean pretty.

Speaker 7 (27:10):
Well in that one.

Speaker 3 (27:11):
Yeah, it's gonna need a little bit more of a sample.

Speaker 2 (27:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (27:14):
Funny what comes out of the woodwork and you lose
one game and all of a sudden.

Speaker 7 (27:17):
You and that's a problem.

Speaker 1 (27:19):
That's a problem. That's a problem. You're a problem as a.

Speaker 5 (27:22):
Need to identify the thing that cost them the victory,
right for Patriots fans is generally the officials, but there
has to be one thing that costs you a game.

Speaker 7 (27:31):
It can never be the other team did something.

Speaker 1 (27:33):
No, And it's just as extreme on the other end,
when you're in the wind streak and it's like you're awesome,
You're awesome, this is awesome, and I was like, no,
you suck Now, everything's the best. Yeah, it's extreme. I like,
I mean I was upset, like you were Fred in
the postgame show. But I think you know, after you realize,
like what a great season this has been, and they
still have an opportunity to do everything you know that

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they wanted to that you expect that they should be
able to at the end of the season. Like, it's
it's hard they I mean, we've said all season long,
they've got a ways to go. We saw this team
in the you know, early on in the season saying
they need some other upgrades of other positions on defense,
especially where you know they're putting guys into stop gaps
right now, And I think that was what was exposed
against a good team. Yeah, nothing's really changed.

Speaker 2 (28:15):
Every team has injuries. It's a it's a fact of
life in the NFL. You have to have serviceable depth,
you have to be able to withstand this, you know,
other than your quarterback, you have to be.

Speaker 3 (28:26):
I will give them some credit though, I think their
depth has been a little bit better than what we thought.
Like Darien low has been fine. Like he's I had
no problem, but he's not a difference maker, but like
he's been really serviceable. The false start was tough, tough, but.

Speaker 1 (28:43):
All start.

Speaker 5 (28:45):
But the two games that that those backups played, you know,
statistically or as good as any game they've played all year. Yeah,
I mean some people have said that the two best
games in terms of the pressure rate allowed. But I'm
just going by my my eyeball test. I thought they
were fine.

Speaker 3 (28:59):
I thought this is one of the best games they
played against Buffalo. I mean, they ran the ball well
for the whole game, really if they just didn't run
it in the second half. And they protected Drake pretty
well in this game too. So uh, you know, I
think a lot of people if you told him that,
like Venderian Lowe is gonna have to start the last
five games the regular season, they'd be like, look out,
Like oh god. And to his credit, he's been okay.

Speaker 2 (29:20):
Some of the comments about him are just outright nasty.
I mean before this game, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (29:26):
I mean, he was bad last year, but he's been better.
You know, I think that I don't think that he's
a full time player, but I think Jack Gibbons is
like a serviceable third linebacker. I don't think you want
him out there one hundred percent of the snaps, but
you know, when you have to play him in spots.
I don't think he's a liability to the Chargers.

Speaker 1 (29:42):
Wouldn't give right right trading for guards to make tackles,
like you know, it's I mean, I just when you
really heard about how extreme the injury was that he's
playing through last year with you know, on his shoulder,
and people were like, oh, I feel bad now, I'm.

Speaker 3 (29:56):
Like, well, what guy was walking around with a harness
older harness on and stuff. Chucky trees not terrible for
the you know, couple of drives that he had to
play against Buffalo. You know, so at least it's been
a little bit better maybe than what we expect. You
Ben Brown, Ben Brown.

Speaker 5 (30:16):
You guys have raised good points. I think that they
have gotten some contributions from some of the reserves that
everybody was so worried about.

Speaker 2 (30:24):
Should they try to get the wide receivers plural involved
early in this game.

Speaker 3 (30:32):
I try I mean, yeah, I would just say, like,
I don't know if we talked about this a lot yesterday,
but I thought it was kind of weird that Pop
Douglas barely played in the game on Sunday, especially because
they're having so much issues with guys getting open in
the second half of that game. Now, I think a
lot of it was because they were like disguising his
own and that's like not really his strength. But he

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ran five routes the entire game, and like, when you
can't move the ball on offense and he's your best
a separator, like, did not at least give him some
opportunities to go out there and win some routes was
pretty surprising. I don't know how much you're going to
get out of Holland's booty and digs. Like I think
that those guys they each kind of have their moments

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and they each have their games and things like that.
But I don't know if like you can expect much
more from those players. But the Douglas thing did surprise me,
Like I thought that, you know, in the second half,
they maybe they could have used his energy a little bit.
Absolutely always heard that while.

Speaker 5 (31:38):
He threw it out there Sunday when there were people
sort of giving Mike a little bit of you like
this f you know, if Spoline wasn't going to play,
why was he dressed? They could address someone and I
was just like, well, who was inactive in the game
that you think would have made a difference in Frank
goes chism.

Speaker 3 (31:57):
Yeah, yeah, yeah it doz ones are always hard because
I don't think they really planned on him playing, but
you could tell in warmups he wasn't right, But then
in actives have already happened, so you there's no choice.

Speaker 2 (32:10):
What about this?

Speaker 5 (32:11):
Well, I think that they looked at it and said,
if something happens here to Ellis or Gibbons, I need
to He's going to need to play, and hopefully we
won't need him to play. But you weigh that, Okay,
So what would need to have happened to have to,
you know, press Marcus Bryant into play? You know, so

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now two of your tackles need to get hurt for
you to need another tackle, right, because you know they
had obviosusally Monfort it was had a role, a big
role in the game. Yeah, you know, so, Eric Gregory
I think was one of the inactives. Chisholm. I mean,
you're down six, you know. I think they weighed and

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they looked at it. We have a better chance of
one guy getting banged up at linebacker, a very physical position,
than needing a third, you know, extra tackle.

Speaker 1 (33:06):
Yeah, to that point, they sign Chad Muma off of
the practice squad in Indie. I don't know if that
signals splaying is going to be a long term thing.
We weren't quite look at what we got Eli. I mean,
it's definitely not a great sign But is it about
the guys who were playing, or is it about we're
protecting those guys because they're going to have to continue

(33:27):
to play more if one of them gets hurt, we
need to have, you know, another NFL experienced player.

Speaker 3 (33:32):
But really, I'm able to pointed to the linebacker debth
like he admitted on Monday that they don't have a
lot of depth.

Speaker 7 (33:39):
Specifically, it's probably one of the thinner positions. I don't
know exactly the wording, but.

Speaker 3 (33:44):
I do wonder if I didn't. I don't know off
the top of my head, but Ellis and Jack Gibbons
usually have large roles on special teams as well as defense.
So I do wonder if maybe can play in the
kicking game and that would take Ellis out of the
kicking game, and then that would allow Ellis to just
focus on playing on defense.

Speaker 1 (34:04):
That's a good observation too.

Speaker 5 (34:06):
Yeah, you know you had a tough day in kick coverage.
Is that because just the guys that are on the
kick coverage team had to play more snaps on defense?

Speaker 7 (34:13):
That's a very fair question.

Speaker 2 (34:15):
Do you think, going back to the Bills, if all
the other things that happened that were negative got cleaned up,
but they still weren't able to stop the run, do
you think they could have won that game?

Speaker 7 (34:28):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (34:29):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, So those other things seem fixable.

Speaker 1 (34:34):
I mean, I think that there's a baseline of solid
that they could get to with the current personnel that
they have. Yes, And I just I'd point back to
pulse thing. I mean, to me, it's about Drake and
the offense and right they got to score points in
the second half.

Speaker 5 (34:44):
That would be my Like, that's the worst, probably the
worst half of football they've played. I mean, you know, offensively,
eighteen snaps, Like, I think that's fixable. I think you
can be better offensively than that.

Speaker 3 (34:57):
Better be better kickoff coverage than that.

Speaker 5 (34:59):
Yeah, I'm saying, like, all you had to do was
move the ball a little bit, a little bit. They
didn't have to light out the school board in the
second half. Obviously, that would have been great if you
could have put another seventeen on the board in the
second half. But if you just possessed the ball for
five minutes in a chunk, yeah, you take the other
team's will.

Speaker 1 (35:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (35:17):
You know they're looking up at the clock and there
are not enough possessions left here.

Speaker 2 (35:20):
Then they start having to throw right.

Speaker 3 (35:22):
Yeah, right, just looking at the linebacker snaps. So Jack
Gibbons played seventy snaps one hundred percent of the snaps
on defense. He also played nineteen snaps on special teams.
So he played eighty nine snaps in the game.

Speaker 1 (35:36):
And then there you go.

Speaker 3 (35:37):
Ellis had sixty on defense and eight on special teams.
So the Muma thing to me is like, let's try
to get those guys.

Speaker 7 (35:44):
Plug him into one of those coverage unions, yeah, and.

Speaker 3 (35:46):
Try to get Jack Gibbons off as many special teams
more than Ellis. He did. He played every snap because
he wore there has.

Speaker 7 (35:54):
Been playing more than elus for a while.

Speaker 3 (35:56):
He also wore the green dot, so that's probably why
he was playing.

Speaker 7 (35:59):
It's a great point called the defense, all right, that's
why we.

Speaker 2 (36:02):
Have him, all right, So let's get people involved unless
there's other things that we need to bring up.

Speaker 1 (36:07):
Any talk about the thing. Yeah, that's crazy? Is benching?

Speaker 2 (36:11):
That is wild?

Speaker 4 (36:12):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (36:13):
So what does that mean? Paul? Explain this to me?

Speaker 3 (36:14):
Yeah, Paul, you're good.

Speaker 2 (36:15):
Are they even this guy a shot?

Speaker 1 (36:18):
Are they done with tour? They just like, what's the
point where let's get him rested up and get them
ready for next year? Like, what what does this mean?

Speaker 7 (36:23):
I think it's A and B. It's not C.

Speaker 5 (36:26):
I think they're done with Tua. Let's give someone else
a shot. Let's make sure he doesn't get hurt, because
we're gonna get rid of him.

Speaker 1 (36:32):
Yeah, you know.

Speaker 7 (36:33):
If we can't.

Speaker 5 (36:34):
Now, the money situation is is messy. But if the
Broncos could do what they did with Russell Wilson, then yeah,
certainly Miami. The question for me with Miami will be
is this a package deal? Is everybody gone or is
this McDaniel winning out? Because clearly McDaniel's done with Tua. Yeah,

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I didn't watch the game at all the other night,
but evidently there was some really weird things going on
to his body language was time outs and stuff like
j well that's what Waddle was kind of like, looking
like dude, what are you doing?

Speaker 2 (37:05):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (37:06):
And I even think that the approach I saw a
lot of criticism of like, are you guys trying to
win the game? You're trying to run the clock out?
Like what are you doing? Like it just didn't seem
like they had There was one moment did you watch
the game? I watched the first half. Did you see
the part.

Speaker 2 (37:17):
Where it was two on the bench and it looked
like he was looking right at the camera for like
an extended period of time.

Speaker 1 (37:23):
Did you say that?

Speaker 4 (37:24):
Did he get hit?

Speaker 2 (37:25):
And it was really weird?

Speaker 7 (37:27):
And I'm asking dead seriously.

Speaker 2 (37:28):
I mean not that I saw, not like maybe he
was dealing with So yeah, yeah, it is history.

Speaker 7 (37:34):
It's a fair question.

Speaker 3 (37:35):
So I brought this to Barth, but maybe I didn't
explain it very well. To me. It's kind of weird
that you would let Mike McDaniel bench to a right
if Mike McDaniel is also out right you like.

Speaker 5 (37:49):
Like why you understand what I'm saying, Like, if Mike
McDaniel is benching your star quarterback that's getting paid fifty
six million dollars, Like, that's a pretty big organizational decision
for a lame duck coach to be making.

Speaker 3 (38:03):
So unless he's hurt, and we just don't know yet
that he's hurt, like a performance bace for him, right, Yeah,
like a performance based benching is is burning a bridge.
In my opinion, it's pro sports, like you do that
to a quarterback of to his like you know, name recognition,
like I don't know how to do him and Mike

(38:24):
McDaniel come back from that. And so if Mike McDaniel
is going to be the coaster next year, then how
the hell is to us much?

Speaker 5 (38:30):
I'm not telling you there's no chance, but I don't
think there's much of a chance of that happening both
of them coming back.

Speaker 3 (38:35):
Yeah, So it's either both are gone or to his.

Speaker 1 (38:38):
God rid of Jude on to Tyreek Hill would have
a cryptic post on social media, just a meme of
like two people and then one just disappears, I think,
retweeting that they were benching to us. So I don't
know what that means get into Tyreek's health attact.

Speaker 7 (38:54):
I think they're gonna work.

Speaker 5 (38:55):
Listen, the whole like second act for quarterback thing I
think is pretty and I think a lot of teams
now are looking hard.

Speaker 4 (39:03):
You know.

Speaker 5 (39:03):
I read something on ESPN dot com today about, you know,
Mac Jones. You know, does he's under contract for San
Francisco very small money? Did Kyle Shanahan do it again?
Did he resurrect another career because he played pretty well?
I you know, I'm listen. I'm as critical of Mac

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Jones as anybody, but I would tell you he played
pretty well in in place of property. You know, does
someone you know, Arizona, the Jets, Miami, do one of
these teams look at Mac Jones and say, maybe he
can be our Sam Darnold and his second act might
be able to do something for us, you know, while

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we figure out how we're going to.

Speaker 7 (39:46):
Get the next quarterback.

Speaker 1 (39:47):
That's a tough one.

Speaker 7 (39:48):
It is a very tough one.

Speaker 4 (39:49):
Mac.

Speaker 5 (39:50):
I agree, yeah, because I was trying to think about
May Yeah, you.

Speaker 7 (39:54):
Know in Arizona, is he going to go somewhere?

Speaker 3 (39:56):
I was trying to think of, like where too it
would make sense, and like he kind of has to
be in that kind of offense. It's like a timing base,
like get the ball out quick, you know, hit yack
receivers like that sort of got to be the offense.
And like there aren't a ton of options because a
lot of those teams, like unless party's going like they
a lot of those teams have quarterbacks that you know

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they're they're running with at this point. So you know,
like you have Green Bay, you have you know, San Francisco,
you have La with the Rams, like those are the
that's the offense, that's the tree. But all those teams
kind of have established quarterbacks, like already there Minnesota, if
they're good, are they giving up on nine?

Speaker 4 (40:36):
Is he?

Speaker 3 (40:36):
Is he done already? It's a good one.

Speaker 1 (40:39):
Yeah, it's a good one.

Speaker 5 (40:40):
On that well, I mean he's played better, I would
say the last two games. And I don't think that
you can completely pull the plug. But I'm also not
saying they ain't gonna pull the plug. I think they
I think they wanted to have one of those two
guys stay last year. I think they wanted to have
Donald or Jones stay in both of them, I think

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correctly said I'm not staying I'm gonna go and try
to be a starter somewhere, right.

Speaker 1 (41:05):
I still just feel like two is one hit away,
and that's it's hard to take a second chance on him.
Or I mean even Kyler Murray too. You know what,
Donald has the size and I mean we had concussions too,
But those guys are always going to get beat up,
it seems like. And that interception that two of three
the other night, I mean I was like, oh my god,
this is not you know, we're used to that.

Speaker 7 (41:26):
I miss quite an eventful game.

Speaker 2 (41:28):
You talk about what you miss.

Speaker 3 (41:31):
I mean, I just I don't know where Miami goes
from here and their division team. So it's you know,
at least somewhat irrelevant to the Patriots because they won
some games. So they're not going to be picking in
the top five, like, so they're not going to be
in the like Mendoza, you know, that sort of sweepstakes necessarily,
it's not a great quarterback class, Like do they reclamation

(41:55):
projected for a year? And see, I guess maybe, but
like the two of things over like, so that's why I.

Speaker 7 (42:00):
Would say queen Ewers, Yeah, oh god, I know what
you think of qu Ewers. I'm not going to try.

Speaker 5 (42:07):
I'm not going to trigger you, but let him play
three games and see what it looks like, and then
you can sort of say, okay, do I need to
get really aggressive in the draft to try to move
up to get I don't know, Drew Aller or someone
you know, or do I just look at it, like
Evan just said, like, you know, this isn't a great class,
let's not force it. If he's got to be our quarterback,
if we can get one of the you know, could

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they go with Kyler Murray, could they get one of
the second act quarterbacks and just say, well, he's going
to be the placeholder. You know, we got this young
guy that we don't we don't think he's that good,
but let him play three games.

Speaker 7 (42:40):
Who knows what happens.

Speaker 3 (42:41):
Yeah, I would say that the reclamation project is probably
where it's headed. Some people like the kid from Oregon
quarterback in the draft. You know, a lot of the
arch went back, Leonora Sellers.

Speaker 7 (42:53):
Went back, just going back.

Speaker 3 (42:56):
Yeah, you know, Mendoz is awesome, but he's going to
probably go number one overall and there not going to
have that.

Speaker 7 (43:00):
Pick son be around from Miami.

Speaker 3 (43:02):
Yeah, like it's not a it's not a Drake Maye
Jade and Daniels Caleb Williams situation where there's you know,
a bunch of great quarterbacks in the draft.

Speaker 1 (43:10):
How can Mike McDaniel be the last man standing of
Chris Career and Tua and maybe Tyreek And you know,
like that's interesting to me, especially what he done.

Speaker 5 (43:20):
And I think I told you guys this story earlier
in the year that you know, I had some people
talking to me about the way, you know, the problems
in Miami. It's not because they don't think McDaniel knows
what he's doing. They think he's a pretty good coach,
but they think he's too easy on the players, and
it's almost like he's just the head coach of the offense.
He's one of those situations. Yeah, And I guess with

(43:41):
some of the static that that's been created because Anthony
Weaver is you know, he's an actual football coach, and
he treats the defense, you know, like men, and like
they practice and like they'll be like a random Thursday
and Daniel will be like, oh.

Speaker 7 (43:55):
Okay, you guys have done enough, go home.

Speaker 5 (43:56):
And now the defense is working their asses off and
the offense gets to go home.

Speaker 7 (44:00):
You can't do that.

Speaker 3 (44:01):
I think they have like summer fridays on the like
on the offense where it's like they all get to
leave at three for like mental health and family purposes,
and which is like a nice idea, but it's like
professional football, like you gotta.

Speaker 5 (44:13):
And Weaver is like, no, we're not, we can't do that.
We're not ready, you know what It's like. It's not
like McDaniel only does it for the offense. He wants
everybody to do it. But Weavers like, we're not prepared
for the game yet. We need to practice more. Yeah,
and the and the defense gets sort of you know,
it's that obvious rift they get.

Speaker 7 (44:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (44:31):
I think it's always harder with the guys like well
McDaniel because he's such a good coordinator on the offensive
side of the ball that like you're not going to
do better in terms of scheme than him. But he
just might not be.

Speaker 7 (44:43):
It might not be a head coach. He'd be one
of those guys.

Speaker 5 (44:45):
And I know it's rare, but like, find a head
coach and then retain him as your offensive coordinator. And
I don't think that would be the worst thing. And
look advance Joseph has been doing in Denver.

Speaker 1 (44:55):
Yeah, yeah, you know you can go home again.

Speaker 5 (44:59):
You know everybody was would be like automatically like, but
that doesn't the time.

Speaker 7 (45:03):
You can't fire the guy and you know then keep.

Speaker 5 (45:06):
Them well somebody, some some teams do it. Virginia Tech
is doing it in college. They fired the head coach
and he stay. He's staying with Franklin as his coordinator.
Uh spiing Fresno get which side of the ball. So
that's why I just said, going back.

Speaker 2 (45:20):
To the Patriots. Uh Spian Fresno says, Drake had the
ball in his hands with two minutes to go in
a one score game for the division and then completely
fizzled and two consecutive pathetic, pathetic looking passing plays. Does
it have you concern? I'm not asking for two minute Tom,
but so far in clutch, big game comeback situations, we
have to call Drake oh and one. The truth is

(45:40):
never mean.

Speaker 3 (45:41):
One in one because he beat the Bills in week five.

Speaker 5 (45:50):
Really, just like I put this in the weather category,
like I need to see a little more before I
decide that a guy fails in those situations.

Speaker 2 (46:00):
Yeah, right, Existantly, give me a couple.

Speaker 3 (46:02):
I'm with you. I think that some of this kind
of does stem from the fact though, that this was
sort of his mL at North Carolina also, and I'm
not ignoring it, Yeah, And I think that that's where
the sample is growing, is that at North Carolina he
was undeniably talented and they didn't win a whole lot,

(46:23):
and it was like kind of one of those weird
situations of like, how does this guy play so well
in these games? And we look up at the scoreboard
and we're down by ten points in the fourth quarter,
Like how does this keep happening? Now seems like Rabel
and McDaniels have corrected that aspect of they're eleven and three,
But you know those big games NC State, you know,
end of the year, you know, rivalry games, like I

(46:46):
think he'd beat Duke his uh sophomore season, his first
season as the starter, they beat Duke. And that's like
his signature win at North Carolina was beating Duke. So
I get it.

Speaker 1 (46:59):
It's something to watch all these last four games. I mean,
I've said it a few times now. I look at
before the buys its own preseason kind of thing, and
you know, now, let's judge him in these games. I mean,
maybe not so much against the Jets, but you know this,
this game in Baltimore is another opportunity for him, and
then they're probably going to the playoffs too, so but
you got to break the trend at some point.

Speaker 2 (47:19):
Joe and Michigan ten wins and a loss and McDaniels
can't call plays a top five D and scoring can't
do their job anymore, May can't play in weather, Buffalo
d becomes a new coming of the Dita Bears. Really,
I am exaggerating, but so does the Boston media, nauseating
Tom Curran and the rest who are sensationalizing. I haven't listened.

(47:39):
Is he sensationalizing?

Speaker 3 (47:40):
I don't know. I heard, and I don't know if
this was Tom. I heard some chatter yesterday about mcdaniels's
longevity as Mike Rable's offensive coordinator, and this goes back
like this is not new, like the ten game winning
streat kind of put it on the back burner. But
in September this was a conversation as well, and now

(48:00):
they lost the game, so it's coming back up.

Speaker 7 (48:02):
But I don't think it's performance based.

Speaker 5 (48:06):
I think it's personality based that whole thing that was
big earlier in the year, that like, is this the
guy that Rabel really wanted? That's what people in this
particular one that I think the reason why it bubbled
back up is from Mike's appearance in this studio on
EI on Monday when he goes, I mean like, there's
only so many double passages you can run for thirteen yards,

(48:27):
you know like that, those kinds of comments, I think
some people an I know, but I wasn't on the air, Mike.
I say this all the time. Sometimes you say things
off for.

Speaker 1 (48:36):
You that I meant to be off where the line is, uh.

Speaker 5 (48:39):
I can say it with the head coach saying I
remember off as kind of snark.

Speaker 3 (48:43):
I remember earlier in the season he Rabel said that
he was going to regret doing EI first thing in
the morning of the day after games, and I think
this one on Monday might be in that.

Speaker 7 (48:54):
So you know what I'm talking.

Speaker 3 (48:55):
Yeah, that couple of officials.

Speaker 1 (48:59):
Are people implying that Mike Rabele would fire Josh McDaniels
after this season.

Speaker 7 (49:03):
No, I don't think we.

Speaker 3 (49:04):
I don't think we've gotten that far. But I think
I think Paul's shows have been big on what Paul
just said.

Speaker 5 (49:12):
And they're definitely hammering it because I can tell you
the pre show emails are about that.

Speaker 3 (49:17):
Is it an arranged marriage between McDaniels.

Speaker 1 (49:20):
So even if he didn't want any he's worked out,
but he would so how like and you get rid
of Josh McDaniels and you bring in the flavor of
the month thinks he's the offensive coordinator and Drake regresses
and the offense Isn't they take this magical?

Speaker 3 (49:33):
This is notation? Yeah, this is not logical.

Speaker 7 (49:38):
You're not logic to that.

Speaker 3 (49:40):
This is don this is crazy crazy.

Speaker 5 (49:43):
It's one of those things if you're just going off
of the performance. I don't there's no need to even
discuss this. Yeah, they've had a second year quarterback who's
played at an m VP level for fourteen games. Like,
we're not discussing this. The question is none of us
has the answer to it. Does Rabel really want him?

(50:03):
And if that's the case, I don't think that he
would fire him. I don't think that there's any chance
of that. But would Josh recognize that I'm not really wanted?
He didn't really want me? And he makes it clear
at every stop that he doesn't really want me and
he just goes somewhere else.

Speaker 7 (50:21):
That would be my only concern. I don't think that's
going to happen.

Speaker 5 (50:23):
I think he'll be here as the offensive coordinator next year,
and I think he's done a remarkably good job.

Speaker 1 (50:28):
Do you think there's generally, though, always a little bit
of tention when you have a defensive head coach who
like Mike Brabel, who is a defensive guy, and like,
you know how defensive guys talk about the offense, like
not that they don't respect them, but there's always that like, oh,
the pretty boys on offense kind of thing.

Speaker 4 (50:43):
You know.

Speaker 7 (50:44):
We used to say Bill hates quarterback.

Speaker 1 (50:46):
Yeah right right, well the same thing.

Speaker 2 (50:48):
You know, people have noticed that in these postgame things,
he's yet to give Drake may a ball.

Speaker 4 (50:53):
You know.

Speaker 2 (50:53):
It's like, so, I don't know, maybe that's just his
way of coaching the offense.

Speaker 3 (50:59):
He's going to get one of those like the offense,
it's dipsy, dude, we're in the lab, then we're cooking
the defensive guys like Mike McDaniel's like somebody you.

Speaker 5 (51:07):
Know, and I'll say, if we want to like so,
and I didn't see the entirety of like the transcript
of what he said or Ei I saw like everybody else.

Speaker 7 (51:16):
I'm listening to these clips, these bites.

Speaker 10 (51:20):
And that.

Speaker 7 (51:21):
So how unfair would it be if you.

Speaker 5 (51:24):
Looked at that and said, well, I mean, there's only
so many double passes you can run for thirteen yards?
Like really might so the first half offensive performance, that
was your takeaway, a meaningless double pass that the crowd.

Speaker 2 (51:36):
May have went, he got ten yards on it.

Speaker 5 (51:39):
But how about like the two quarterback design runs in
the red zone, how about the thirty yard bomb down
the sideline to Booty. How about the fifty two yard
run which couldn't have been designed, executed and run any
better from an efficiency standpoint. Offensively, I would venture to
say that all eleven guys were perfect on that play. Like,
how about that if you're going to talk about the

(52:00):
offensive performance and not like a semi meaning was trick
play that you know obviously you're dialing up looking for
a big play. It wasn't there when he checked it down.

Speaker 1 (52:10):
Yeah, do you know what I mean?

Speaker 5 (52:11):
And I'm not suggesting that Mike was. I just think
sometimes yeah, well, get a little bit ahead of you
over your skis, and I think Evan's right. Sometimes maybe
you shouldn't do those first things.

Speaker 11 (52:21):
Right.

Speaker 1 (52:21):
Well, this is veriable style, right, and like Bill would,
Bill would never you know, blame positive anything. You know,
it was all just it could be better. But I
think veriable sometimes this is how he is.

Speaker 5 (52:32):
You know, ahead, you'll do what Bill would do. Bill
would do the same message, just in this way. Yeah,
but I run fifty two yards? That's pretty you know what,
you know what's unsaid.

Speaker 7 (52:47):
You know what's unseating?

Speaker 10 (52:48):
Yea.

Speaker 7 (52:49):
How hard is it to call that?

Speaker 5 (52:51):
He wouldn't have said that, but that's the tone he would.
How hard is it to run?

Speaker 3 (52:55):
When he went on touch for fifty two yards? I
mean anybody could have done that.

Speaker 7 (52:59):
Quarterback didn't open heart surgeon.

Speaker 5 (53:01):
Yeah, these are the things that you said. He's disdaining
for offense was obvious for anybody who was listening.

Speaker 3 (53:06):
Yeahs Also the top five scoring defense thing, right, we
all know that this defense ain't top five all right?

Speaker 7 (53:15):
Currently top five?

Speaker 3 (53:16):
I don't know if there's still top five after last week.

Speaker 2 (53:18):
I think five five Pats, five hundred Dans in New Jersey?
What's up Dan?

Speaker 4 (53:24):
Hey?

Speaker 3 (53:24):
Guys?

Speaker 10 (53:25):
So you know, regardless of what happens on Sunday, and
I've kind of you know, I was thinking we gotta win,
but now I'm not so sure because what do we
have to get. Let's say we lose and we have
to beat Gosh, Brady Cook and Zach Wilson back to back.

Speaker 7 (53:41):
Quin yours.

Speaker 3 (53:43):
Yeah, so your point stands.

Speaker 2 (53:44):
No, No, I just I just want to win.

Speaker 7 (53:46):
Jets Dolphins. They have to win. To me, we don't
lose Sunday. They have to beat the Jets and the Dolphins.

Speaker 2 (53:51):
I want, I want a quality win. This would be
a quality.

Speaker 3 (53:54):
Win and it would clinch a playoffs spot, which is
not the division, but it's Sunday night football. You win
against a good team.

Speaker 7 (54:01):
Everyone.

Speaker 2 (54:03):
I want to be two and two coming out of
the by you know.

Speaker 1 (54:07):
Yeah, that's fair, that's fair. I think all of those
points and even the two wins. Are you a Jets
team that is completely crumbling?

Speaker 3 (54:14):
And Miami, Yeah, they beat the Jagtars with an interim headcut.

Speaker 2 (54:20):
I don't want to I don't want to tiptoe to
the playoffs. I want to sprint.

Speaker 1 (54:23):
Yeah. I mean that said. I'm sorry, I'll let them finish.

Speaker 10 (54:26):
But yeah, yeah, I just had a question if if so,
coming off a tough loss like that, and of course
they could always lose in the wild cards for any
any gives a number of reasons enumerated, you know, the
run stop and second half office, But coming off that loss,
would you rather face the Bills again, even with all

(54:48):
their playoff experience and Josh Allen or roll the dice
with an unproved commodity, like you know, even on the
road like then like cool, like like the Broncos.

Speaker 1 (54:59):
Bronco Broncos.

Speaker 5 (55:01):
The Broncos are going to have a number, are going
to have is going to be the number one seed,
but good reaction and at least they but at least
they played in the playoffs last year. I mean, all
the teams that you're going to face have more playoff experience,
like recently, like even the Chargers in Houston. Houston's got
a lot. Yeah, you know, Jacksonville maybe is you know

(55:24):
they they played two years ago, right.

Speaker 3 (55:27):
Two or three? Trevor has played one playoff.

Speaker 5 (55:31):
One one and then.

Speaker 7 (55:32):
They lost the next one. Yeah in Kansas City, where
playoff teams go to die.

Speaker 3 (55:37):
Yeah, well, I keep hearing that you don't want to
play Houston everybody's terrified of Houston now.

Speaker 7 (55:43):
So yeah, I'm not terrified of anybody, but Houston would.

Speaker 3 (55:47):
Thanks Dan, you're going to You're gonna have to play
somebody the game.

Speaker 2 (55:53):
I just want to get to the playoffs, and whoever
we face, we face. If we're not a better team,
then yeah, that's it.

Speaker 3 (56:01):
Like, I get what you're saying about the Chargers because
they're so decimated, but like, if they made the playoffs,
the team that you're playing is going to be pretty good, like.

Speaker 2 (56:08):
At the time, like, no question about it.

Speaker 3 (56:10):
Well, and this this year because you're not going to
play Pittsburgh, so.

Speaker 7 (56:14):
You can't play at Pittsburgh.

Speaker 5 (56:15):
That's the only team that but that's the only non
playoff caliber team too.

Speaker 3 (56:20):
The only way that you play a team that might
be lesser than is if Philip Rivers somehow gets the
Colts into the playoffs, which he's not going to, so
unless the quarterback gets hurt, you know, late in the
year at some point.

Speaker 5 (56:31):
The Chargers, you know, when we've been talking about how
decimated they are, but look at what they've done the
last two games.

Speaker 3 (56:36):
Well, Herbert's just awesome.

Speaker 5 (56:37):
But they they took care of Philadelphia and then they
took care of Kansas City. And you say what you
will about how damaged Kansas City is. To be the
one that actually put the knife in the heart and
ended it, that's not an easy win at Kansas City.
They had to beat them. They're the ones that had
to knock them out well, and they did it.

Speaker 3 (56:54):
According to Chris Jones, he didn't know that they were
eliminated from the playoffs.

Speaker 1 (56:57):
Ye, sorry about that. We can't know over it's over.

Speaker 3 (57:01):
Yeah, that was crazy, like they had to like there's
he didn't know, get on the playoff fishing machine.

Speaker 2 (57:06):
Just one game at a time, eld in North Carolina.

Speaker 3 (57:09):
It's fun, isn't it?

Speaker 9 (57:10):
Hey, great fellas, how y'all doing? Yeah? Two things? Uh
that is going around about Rabel against McDaniels. And I'm
a McDaniels guy too, but m daniels de litt his
offense and excuse me, uh, Rabel's defense just stopped him
five times they got in in his zone. He got

(57:31):
a gripe. He should grape himself, you know what I mean?
Because you live a score of five touchdown, not five
field goals, five touchdown.

Speaker 5 (57:38):
Yeah, And I would say that Rabel was pretty critical
of the defense in the post game in fairness, I.

Speaker 9 (57:44):
Mean not on the radio.

Speaker 7 (57:46):
I hear the radio interview.

Speaker 3 (57:48):
I agree with elder bigger point. I think he's been
really critical at times of Josh McDaniels and the and
Drake May and the offense and the defense has been
the weaker side of the ball, for sure.

Speaker 1 (58:00):
Critical of the offense, you know, here and there little.

Speaker 3 (58:04):
Maybe not during the ten game winning streak when things
really got rolling. But I think that he's been.

Speaker 7 (58:10):
There's been more criticism of the offense than the defense.
I would agree with that.

Speaker 3 (58:14):
And the defense is the side of the ball it
needs more fixing for sure.

Speaker 5 (58:17):
Yeah, I just thought that in fairness, I thought Vrabel
was critical of the defense in the post game.

Speaker 3 (58:24):
Is this game and the kickoff?

Speaker 2 (58:26):
I haven't heard a lot of criticism of anything really.

Speaker 7 (58:29):
But I mean it depends what you call criticism.

Speaker 5 (58:33):
Like that comment that we're talking about about the double
pass is it's not really critical.

Speaker 2 (58:38):
I said, other other than this game before this.

Speaker 5 (58:41):
I mean I'd go I'd have to go back and
find them, but I could find really several, at least
a dozen examples.

Speaker 3 (58:47):
Okay, I think it hasn't happened as much recently, but
they've been right, right.

Speaker 5 (58:52):
I think he was pretty critical and the the the
Raiders and the Steelers game that they both lost.

Speaker 3 (58:58):
Remember the whole yeah, but remember the whole run plan thing.
We have to have a run plan that we can
all get behind or whatever the.

Speaker 7 (59:05):
Quote was, right, Yeah, that was the Raiders game.

Speaker 3 (59:07):
Yeah, but this was all the beginning of the year.

Speaker 5 (59:09):
Yah to be fair, But nothing about blitzing on third
and ten at the end of the game to give
up the the first down that ended the game, right, Yeah, all.

Speaker 2 (59:17):
Right, we'll take a break. Let's see Vrabel is going
to be at one ten, so we'll go to that
when that happens as well. More to talk about here
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a month away the trade deadline.

Speaker 2 (01:08:16):
He said, end of July.

Speaker 7 (01:08:17):
Usually it's the middle of July.

Speaker 2 (01:08:19):
But but it's the end of June.

Speaker 5 (01:08:21):
Now it's like.

Speaker 3 (01:08:25):
That's the middle of middle of June.

Speaker 5 (01:08:27):
So it's less than a month away.

Speaker 2 (01:08:28):
I said a month and a half because he said
it was the end of July.

Speaker 7 (01:08:32):
You know, so the thirty So the thirty first is
a month and a half. Okay, okay, you're right, that's an.

Speaker 5 (01:08:38):
It's July thirty first. It's a month happen and a half.
Why do you have to wait till you're right? I said,
it's a long time. I said, you're right, No, it's
not a long time.

Speaker 2 (01:08:46):
It is.

Speaker 3 (01:08:47):
That's another great moment from.

Speaker 2 (01:08:51):
All right back here and Patriots Unfiltered eight five to
five past five hundred is the hotline podcast at patriots
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Speaker 7 (01:08:59):
You win that one by t KO? Sure that was
being more wrong with calendar, with calendar.

Speaker 1 (01:09:04):
So then you jumped to the is a month and
a half a long time?

Speaker 2 (01:09:07):
Right?

Speaker 7 (01:09:08):
But I did admit that I was wrong because.

Speaker 5 (01:09:13):
All Star break was the trade deadline and it's not
until Dirty first. But anyway, fun with calendars with Paul
math not my strong suit.

Speaker 1 (01:09:21):
That's why that's why I print my calendar out.

Speaker 2 (01:09:25):
We got some emails about the McDaniels thing, people incredulous
that they're making anything out this, that it'd be crazy
to Yeah, I agree. I mean, I think I can
understand if Rabel came in and had his heart set
on whoever and there was a discussion. I don't know
any of this to be true, and it turns out McDaniels,

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I can understand. Oh, you know, I wish I had
my guy. But now that it's we've gone through the season,
it's worked out for everybody. It's made Mike Rabel a
winning head coach. It's made Drake May a better uh quarterback,
set up your offense for the future. Like, okay, so
everything's good, now let's go.

Speaker 1 (01:10:06):
I would agree, no matter who the offensive coordinator is,
Babel is probably gonna tweak them with this kind of
stuff like that, you know what.

Speaker 2 (01:10:12):
I mean, Like, that's that's rale. Okay, breaking news.

Speaker 1 (01:10:16):
Okay, sorry there, but that's how he is you know,
I mean that that line of like, you know, busting
chops about a fake play that only got I mean,
that's that's that's what you Arthur Smith might to do it.

Speaker 2 (01:10:29):
Yeah, that's part of the package for Mike Rabel. He's
gonna be he's he's gonna work for it.

Speaker 5 (01:10:33):
But I wonder if ashion Grant called that, if we
have the same reaction. But anyway, I would say those
are two different things. Like you could say.

Speaker 7 (01:10:42):
That let's go to the.

Speaker 3 (01:10:46):
Coach going forward against the Ravens.

Speaker 17 (01:10:48):
Well, I think that what we try to do is
we learn from every game, every opportunity, not just specifically
the Buffalo game.

Speaker 4 (01:10:56):
There's a lot of instances throughout.

Speaker 17 (01:10:57):
The year that we've learned from and last week's game
will be no different. And again here as it relates
to play calling, I think every time in every game, offensively, defensively,
special teams, my decisions. You know, there's always a decisions

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that you want to have back and you know how
it could have made this better, whether that's as a
player or as a coach. And I've said this for
as long as I've been able to say it as
a head football coach, there is no perfect play.

Speaker 4 (01:11:35):
There are good perfect call. There are good calls, and
there's not so good calls.

Speaker 17 (01:11:40):
And again, my reason for saying this is you don't
want to have a call that gets in late. Those
calls that are good are they're in in a timely manner.
The personnel group is in there, the players have repped it,
they've seen it, they know, they have answers for things
that they could do.

Speaker 4 (01:11:57):
They have answers for.

Speaker 17 (01:11:59):
Things that were unscouted, which occur in every game, and
so we try to make sure that our calls that
go into the players are appropriately that way. And then
you know, we could always sit back after the game
and say, hey, we could have done this a little differently.
We could have called this again. So that's going to
go for every win and every loss. We try to

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do it the same way as it relates to the
playing and then our evaluation of what we call.

Speaker 4 (01:12:27):
So you know, I mean, there's a.

Speaker 17 (01:12:29):
Lot of opportunities for calls to be different. There's a
lot of opportunities for the execution to be different, whether
the call stays the same or the.

Speaker 4 (01:12:39):
Execution you know, to that particular call.

Speaker 17 (01:12:42):
But you know, I don't think that there's anything that
we would want to change or do differently. We don't
get to do doovers. I mean, we've had a lot
of success and we're going to try to get that
same success on Sunday night.

Speaker 5 (01:12:55):
Along the same line.

Speaker 12 (01:12:58):
Sorry, when Drake is thrown.

Speaker 17 (01:13:00):
And deep on third and one, having a few times
at least last week, curious, First of all, how do
you feel about that?

Speaker 6 (01:13:06):
And then is that like the design play or is
that Drake making a redon?

Speaker 17 (01:13:09):
No, I mean, we don't, you know what I mean.
We're trying to we're trying to score. We're trying to
to do what we do best, and sometimes those aren't
as short as you think, you know what I mean,
whether it's a long one again, we're trying to pick
up you know, first downs, and but also if they
give us an advantageous look, you know, take a shot.

Speaker 4 (01:13:30):
That's sometimes what we can do.

Speaker 17 (01:13:33):
And you know, I don't know specifically which ones you're
referring to, but you know we'll have to use every
everything we can to to really stay on track this week.
That's part of the message here with our football team offensively,
so that we're not in this you know, danger zone
of their pressures and when those things can really, you know,

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start to affect you. So we can stay on track,
and if we're in short yardage, we'll have to have
a great plan to convert.

Speaker 18 (01:14:03):
This week fallowing along the line of Carrits questioned a
little bit, and I know the goal of every team
is to win, it's the bottom line. And especially like
a crazy question, but can a late season loss actually
be good for team going forward?

Speaker 4 (01:14:18):
I would say that's tb D. I don't know.

Speaker 17 (01:14:21):
It's only depending on how you respond and how you
prepare and how you practice and ultimately how you play.
And so we'll see there's a lot of good things
in there and we'll need all those things on Sunday
night against this football team that six and two after
there by, and you know, really coming off a big
win last week and a dominant win, how much did you.

Speaker 7 (01:14:44):
Enjoy coaching Derrick Henry Allig the challenge to.

Speaker 4 (01:14:47):
See I'll start in reverse. He's a huge challenge, A
very unique.

Speaker 17 (01:14:54):
Player, great speed, great power, strength, He's just a different
body type and what we've uh anybody would would go against.
And so it's a it's unique in that regard. They
do a nice, very nice job with their scheme, different
personnel groups, and different run plan and styles of run

(01:15:14):
and different run actions. So again we know what he's about,
build speed and stiff arm and all that other stuff.
You know, he was very valuable I think to our
success in Tennessee. Me personally had a great relationship with Derek.

Speaker 4 (01:15:34):
He was always there. Seemed like when we.

Speaker 17 (01:15:37):
Needed to play, he made it and you know, a
great teammate. Anytime that there was a message, he delivered
that message in his own particular way. So again he
was somebody that I really valued in the six years
that that I was there with. You go back to

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back facing the four Vets might on a difference here
in terms of their skill sets.

Speaker 5 (01:16:03):
How similar is the preparation, how different players.

Speaker 4 (01:16:07):
And whatever job you know.

Speaker 17 (01:16:10):
I mean, Josh isn't gonna matter on Sunday. This is
about you know, Lamar and the Ravens and what he
can do and his ability to stay patient and calm
and then deliver the football or burst. I mean, he
he really scrambles when he has to. He's rarely feels
like anybody's going to be able to tackle him until

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he's you know, ready to go down or to get
out of bounce or to throw. That's kind of the
mindset and what I see on tape. So that'll be
a huge challenge, you know, one that you know, we'll
have to be ready for it in multiple ways.

Speaker 4 (01:16:46):
And you know, but he's comfortable.

Speaker 17 (01:16:48):
Standing there in the pocket and then you know, more
than capable to extend plays when he feels like he
has to mich.

Speaker 1 (01:16:56):
Knowing how good they are situationally it has been for years.
How does that change? If it all the way you
manage a game.

Speaker 13 (01:17:01):
Thinking they might be more likely to go forward and
fourth down or be good once they kind of get
in two minutes.

Speaker 17 (01:17:09):
Well, we always are kind of conscious I think of
when teams are kind of in that that four down
area you know, I mean, you know two minutes. It's
you know, being able to, yeah, apply enough pressure in
a timely fashion that doesn't allow the quarterback to to
scramble and.

Speaker 4 (01:17:29):
To gain big chunks.

Speaker 17 (01:17:31):
And you know, so we'll again, we'll have a plan
for for two minutes and uh, you know obviously be ready,
uh and prepared for for the times that they attempt
to go fourth on fourth down.

Speaker 4 (01:17:42):
Would you guys like that?

Speaker 5 (01:17:43):
It is Chad Noma when you brought them.

Speaker 4 (01:17:46):
But I'll take it what you like about Chatoma. That
was about it syncd up as we've had this year.

Speaker 1 (01:17:50):
That was I wouldn't relent. They didn't even hear each other.

Speaker 17 (01:17:55):
I heard Chad Muma and then I heard something I
don't know, a new one.

Speaker 2 (01:18:02):
So what did you guys like about you than I
want to playboy now?

Speaker 4 (01:18:08):
You know, I think he's played in this league.

Speaker 17 (01:18:10):
Again, we get down to this time of the year
where you know, you got to find some guys that
have played in games and you know that you could
use and you know, fourth down and kicking game and
you know, good speed, good good ability to to process
and understand what's going on. And uh so I think
his experience helps and obviously what he can do and

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how quickly he can learn.

Speaker 4 (01:18:34):
Like their defense, there was a lot of talk earlier year.

Speaker 1 (01:18:38):
It was like the last six or seven weeks they
turning around.

Speaker 4 (01:18:40):
What if you guys noticed on.

Speaker 17 (01:18:41):
The table so that to that improving teams aren't really
running the ball on them, you know, so they're forcing
a lot of these games to be one dimensional. You know,
really good mix of veteran players and some youth, really
good interior players.

Speaker 4 (01:18:59):
You know. I mean they're just big, they're you know,
Jones and Jenkins.

Speaker 17 (01:19:03):
And obviously they'll they'll rotate other guys through there, but
it starts with those two.

Speaker 4 (01:19:08):
You know.

Speaker 17 (01:19:08):
I think Kyle Hamilton is one of the best players
in this league just from a versatility standpoint and what
he can do at the line of scrimmage covering. I
mean thirty four career PBUs, eight career sacks. You know,
play Nickel plays safety, uh plays diamebacker. So the versatility
there is impressive. That playmaking ability is impressive. I mean,

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Humphrees is you know, if you're loose with the football,
you take a nap, he'll he'll pull it out or
he'll hammer it, you know, rokwand Smith usually tackles the
ball every every time it's handed off. So, uh, they're
they're playing well, they're playing with a lot of confidence
and to be a huge.

Speaker 5 (01:19:46):
Test you're passing game this perform against Manda main coverage.

Speaker 12 (01:19:50):
With you guys have seen that.

Speaker 17 (01:19:52):
Oh well, you know, I think that there's always opportunities
for us to win and match coverage. I think that
there's been times where we've one you know, Diggs one
on third down, Mac one on an end cut. You know,
I don't have the numbers off hand analytically, but those
are at least two. And I'm sure that you know,

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there's times we're in match that that we're covered and
hopefully you know, Drake can extend the play and you know,
cause some play extension or be able to scramble. So
whatever coverage they're in, we're going to have to be
able to have great spacing and route detail and zone
and then uh, you know, be able to have answers
when we do get matched.

Speaker 3 (01:20:39):
What did you see as the issues potentially in that
second half with James Cook and Josh Allen able to
run the.

Speaker 8 (01:20:44):
Ball a little bit more?

Speaker 13 (01:20:45):
How can you fix that going into having space a.

Speaker 17 (01:20:48):
Lot of that just you know, I mean they pushed
a lot of scrimmage and we have to be able
to stay gap sound and be able to.

Speaker 4 (01:20:58):
You know, build a wall and build a wall. And
again when you.

Speaker 17 (01:21:00):
Get on the plus side of fifty sometimes and then
short field position, you know, they don't mind sticking with
the run and going forward on fourth down and you
can't let him run it in.

Speaker 4 (01:21:11):
And again it's a huge challenge this week.

Speaker 17 (01:21:13):
I'm sure we'll see a lot of those runs that
they did last week, you know, see where we're.

Speaker 4 (01:21:18):
At with them, That's usually what happened. So that's what
I told the team this morning.

Speaker 16 (01:21:21):
You have talked about Drake Rolf.

Speaker 4 (01:21:24):
Had the final question go ahead.

Speaker 11 (01:21:27):
You talked about Drake protecting himself as a quarterback and
the importance of that if he saw him use his
legs in the red zone. As a season goes on
and playoffs on the horizon, do you feel that the
balance of Drake extending plays with his legs.

Speaker 4 (01:21:42):
May change a little bit.

Speaker 17 (01:21:44):
You would have to ask Drake. I don't get to
make those decisions. I don't have a remote control to say,
scramble or throw.

Speaker 4 (01:21:51):
And I just say that.

Speaker 17 (01:21:54):
By continuing to develop that part of his game and
truthfully being able to remain a passer, keep his eyes downfield,
but then also you know, if it's not, then be
able to to go and get what you can get
and take care of yourself.

Speaker 4 (01:22:12):
So those are the choices that he makes.

Speaker 17 (01:22:14):
Those are the decisions that the quarterback gets to make,
and I think he's mad made some good ones and
again hopefully he can continue to do that and progress
and try to remain a thrower guys can come into
his vision and we can get some of those things done.
And then if they don't, you know, then he'll have
to get what he can get and get down or

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get out.

Speaker 4 (01:22:35):
Thanks.

Speaker 2 (01:22:38):
All right, that's Mike Rabel Anything uh want to I highlight.

Speaker 1 (01:22:46):
I mean, just for me, the challenge of the Ravens.
I think he's got a pretty good beat on, you know,
how good they are on defense and what Derrick Henry
means and stressing their six and two after the buy,
how they've turned things around, and you know, the big
thing was just teams aren't running on them, they're making
them one dimension. Always talked a lot about the Patriots
run game this year not being able to get going. Well,
this might be a tough week for them to get
going a lot on tre.

Speaker 5 (01:23:04):
That was the one thing that stood out to me too,
is they you know, because you don't watch the Ravens
every week, you just look at the numbers. You just
see other six and two in their last eight. The
defense obviously played much better. What has led to that turnaround?
And he's telling you they've been much tougher to run against.
So even though they haven't been great rushing, the pass
or anything. They only have like twenty sack twenty two
sacks all season. You make a team one dimensional, becomes

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a little easier to defend.

Speaker 1 (01:23:28):
Kind of missing that, Terurela, what if you make the
Patriots won the metabuga, you know out all year.

Speaker 2 (01:23:33):
Do you think the Patriots can succeed pass heavy? I
think they can't.

Speaker 1 (01:23:39):
I think they Kenneth Drake is on I mean his passes. Yeah,
I think they can. But I also think that they're
a similar kind of team to Buffalo that they have
a championship medal, but they have playoff medal. This is
a team that's played in a lot of big games
and their backs are against the wall right now, so
I would expect them to, you know, to be really
competitive on that stuff.

Speaker 5 (01:23:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:23:57):
The Marlin Hemphrey warnings stood out to me too, of
you know, don't take anap. They're gonna they're gonna turn
the ball over on you.

Speaker 5 (01:24:02):
Yeah, he's I mean, he's been a good player for
a long time, Humphrey. And you know, I just have
respect for the way the Ravens play. That's what's been
so surprising to me about their struggles, and it's not
necessarily health related.

Speaker 7 (01:24:17):
Struggles, Like I watched the Pittsburgh game.

Speaker 5 (01:24:20):
I watched a good chunk of that two weeks ago,
and they just didn't look like they played with much urgency, effort, energy,
which to me is very atypical of the way the
Ravens normally play, right, I thought that was kind of
the the signal that it was the end was here,
Like they didn't feel like they had it this year,
and I kind of expected him to go to Cincinnati

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and lose. They responded with what many have called their
best game of the year, a twenty four to nothing win.
I don't know if that was as much to do
with the Ravens or you know, the mess that is
Cincinnati right now and you know, sort of the morass
that Joe Burrow is in, you know, emotionally having fun. Yeah,
so we'll find out. I mean, I think twenty five

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or so, I mean, they got it. They got to
get to the mid to upper twenties. I would think
Buffalo Baltimore is not a high powered like thirty plus
on a routine basis, But you know, twenty three, twenty four,
you know, twenty seven, I think that should be enough
to if you can get there.

Speaker 7 (01:25:20):
You should be able to win.

Speaker 5 (01:25:21):
Yeah, but I also don't think that they're just gonna
allow you to to put up thirty eight.

Speaker 1 (01:25:26):
So no, it's gonna be tough sledding. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
having to run over to the Lockermow'll come right back though.

Speaker 2 (01:25:31):
Oh boy. All right, there goes to Digsy, There goes
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Speaker 19 (01:25:50):
Hey, crew, how are you doing today?

Speaker 2 (01:25:52):
Okay?

Speaker 19 (01:25:53):
Good? Just a couple questions and observation. First of all,
when can we expect Milton back?

Speaker 2 (01:26:03):
Milton William Well, the first game that he's eligible to
be back is the Jets game.

Speaker 19 (01:26:10):
But we haven't heard nothing medically.

Speaker 2 (01:26:12):
Why assume that, No, we don't know the prog. I
don't know the progress that he's making or how I
think it's an ankle for him, right high ankle sprain.
I don't know like how he's doing. I have no idea.

Speaker 19 (01:26:24):
Okay, and then I think we all, all of you,
including Paul touched on a very good point that I
don't think just has something.

Speaker 9 (01:26:35):
To do with Drake.

Speaker 19 (01:26:36):
I also thought it had something to do with Wade
and Gonzales played in that game, and that is their
their attire for the weather that they're playing in. I mean,
I agree with Paul wholeheartedly. You can't just because you're tough,
you don't want to wear Did Brett's farv wear bear
skinned and green bay? I mean, I don't understand.

Speaker 2 (01:26:59):
I think he might have been one of those tough guys.

Speaker 1 (01:27:01):
He didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:27:02):
Yeah, he wore sleeves.

Speaker 5 (01:27:04):
Yeah, mostly far most quarterbacks, you know, I'm not telling
you they all do. But and I don't care if
he doesn't want to wear sleeves, if he doesn't feel
comfortable wearing sleeves and he feels comfortable doing it this way,
I am one hundred percent on board with it. But
I just don't want the reason to be right, I'm
being some sort of message that you're trying to send
about being tough. It's better that you're playing at your

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best and you're most comfortable.

Speaker 2 (01:27:27):
I'd rather be smart, you know, like, yeah, however you're
going to perform best, that's how you should dress.

Speaker 19 (01:27:36):
And so last year, did he have any games that
he wore sleeps.

Speaker 2 (01:27:39):
And I'm trying, I don't know, you have to ask
he's he's the uniformed people guy.

Speaker 19 (01:27:46):
I don't he's ever done that. And I hope that,
you know, like Evan and Paul and you all were
speaking of, I hope he, you know, kind of can
figure out what he needs to be wearing to be comfortable,
like you're saying, and so that because I remember Tom,
like Paul was paying, I mean, he looked like he
was dressed up.

Speaker 2 (01:28:07):
Yeah, yep, absolutely, Now yeah, thanks for the call, Brat.
Now I remember, you know, back in the day, Nelly
talking about that game when Miami came here and it
was really cold and snow and you know, they came
on bundled up and you know, looking cold, and the
Patriots came out in short sleeves and Nelly says that

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the Patriots psyched him out that game.

Speaker 5 (01:28:31):
Well, he said, he tells a story about Don Nottingham,
who was the Dolphins fullback who came out for pregame
warm ups with no sleeves on. Blah blah blah, went
through the whole rigamarole, and then when the game started,
he came out and he had sleeves on, and Nelly says,
I knew we had him then, right, I don't know
that that. I mean now he's one of my all
time favorites. I mean I trust him like that. Maybe

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they got to, but I think it's also a little
different for fullback and a line inside linebacker, we're going
to clashing heads all day. You know, maybe you do
want a mental edge, Like I don't really think the
quarterback needs that mental edge over somebody to show you
he's tougher.

Speaker 7 (01:29:08):
You need to play better.

Speaker 2 (01:29:09):
Right, I need him to be top efficiency. You know,
however you're most comfortable, that's what you do. And you know,
I know now if I was playing with all the
technology now in these undergarments, like they're so thin you
don't want to be impeded. But now like they're so
thin and in thermal that you can you can be

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warm and not be impeded. It used to not be
that way, like you know, forty years ago, but now
this stuff is so amazing. And then they have little
tricks like I know wide receivers have talked about on
cold days using vasoline on their arms, and I guess,
I guess vaciline closes the pores, and so you know,

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the wind wouldn't you know, get through your pores and
make you even colder. And that was kind of a
trick that they used to do. So it's a real
thing being cold. I mean when your hands in your
feet are freezing and you can't feel them, and it's
it's hard to perform. It's hard to perform. So anything
you can do, and you know, you see these guys
in the sideline, they make no bones about getting near

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that heater, and and the seats are heated, and they
have those little posts behind the bench and those are
for putting your helmet on. Those are heated. So it's
a real thing. So why try to fight it.

Speaker 5 (01:30:33):
I'm looking at a late season game. I was just
doing some highlights late season game against the Chargers last year,
which I want to say was just before Christmas. No
sleeves for Drake, No sleeves for Drake. I looked up
some bread and to be doing that game not good.

Speaker 7 (01:30:47):
The forty seven they Brett Favre.

Speaker 5 (01:30:52):
I just you know, did two thousand and seven NFC
Championship game because I remember that was that was the
game that Tom Coughlin's face was already Oh.

Speaker 7 (01:30:58):
Yeah, yeah, pet sleeves. Yeah, they were wearing sleeps.

Speaker 2 (01:31:03):
Was bitter cold.

Speaker 7 (01:31:04):
Yeah, that was rich.

Speaker 5 (01:31:05):
You know, like again, if if it's about trying to
be macho, then you you wouldn't wear a sleep but
you gotta be you gotta be comfortable.

Speaker 2 (01:31:13):
Yeah, that that gotta play off Tennessee game here. Yeah,
I remember one of the Tennessee players on the bench saying,
you know, I'm freaking out. I can't feel my feet.
I'm freaking out here. It was cold, man.

Speaker 5 (01:31:27):
And that was the game that Bethel Johnson fooled us
all in the locker room. We had Bethel Johnson caught
a bomb from Brady. Don't you like when they leave
when we can do story shows. He caught a bomb
for a touchdown in that game, and afterwards he's talking
to us in the locker room saying, yeah, you know,
and and it was really really cold that night. You know,
I didn't have any sleeves on, and you know I

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was out there. I was tough and you and then
we had the cover shot, right you know, so like
you leave the locker room, we go back to our offices.
We stopped putting stuff together and Fred's like, what do
you think of this cover shot? And me and Andy
look at each other and we're like, this guy just
got finished telling us how he didn't wear sleeves. He's
got sleeves on us. He's catching his baths.

Speaker 2 (01:32:06):
Absolutely, I mean to us, I'd be stuffing feet warmers
in my cleats. I mean, whatever you can do to
stay warm, That's what I'd be doing. Curtis and Saint
Louis has a rant. Just wanted to say to all
Bills fans on social media and some of the mainstream media.
We know the schedule is historically the easiest ever. We

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know that, but the Patriots are not just a product
of their schedule. They are not a fluke face it, folks.
They are back baby. We all knew this was going
to be a tough game, but I believe New England
beat themselves more so than Buffalo handling them, handing them
their arse. Also, let's not forget to mention that the
Bills basically have the same schedule as the Patriots outside
of three games. Well, three games is a lot in

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the seventeen game schedules, but anyway.

Speaker 5 (01:32:53):
Especially when they're Houston, Philadelphia in Kansas City, fred.

Speaker 2 (01:32:56):
I agree with you, and I will double down. May
will throw for three hundred yard and get the game ball.
He will also throw for three touchdowns and have fifty
plus rushing yards. Fourteen and three is still on the table.
Let's go, baby, All right, I'm good with that last part.

Speaker 5 (01:33:09):
I was gonna say, I like the last graph. Yeah,
big fan of the last draft.

Speaker 2 (01:33:13):
Absolutely, Okay, Don and Philly has a would you rather
if we knew everything we knew now or we know
now and we went back to the twenty twenty fourth draft?
Drake goes one, but the Patriots are picking two? Would
you pick Caleb Jaden or Nis Caleb Williams. Yeah, probably

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we were picking one. But I'd also want to make
sure that I have Josh McDaniels with him, Okay, yeah,
because I think he needed he needs somebody good like
he's getting now. He's he's got Ben Johnson. Now you
know he didn't have big john men. Oh I do too,
but sometimes immensely talented guys, right you know?

Speaker 10 (01:33:54):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:33:54):
Right?

Speaker 7 (01:33:55):
Also I give the credit to the player.

Speaker 2 (01:33:57):
Also, what what seed do you project pay Trits ending
up with? And who do you expect us to play
as of right now?

Speaker 7 (01:34:05):
I expect them to finish with the two seed.

Speaker 2 (01:34:07):
I do too.

Speaker 7 (01:34:10):
It could be anybody. Yeah, I have no idea. Who's
going to be seven?

Speaker 4 (01:34:13):
Yep?

Speaker 2 (01:34:13):
And I'm not. I know it's a recurring theme here,
not just this year, but other years. Who would you
rather play? Who do you hope they play? Who do
you not want to play? I don't like playing that game.

Speaker 5 (01:34:24):
You've never liked. I'm going to give you a lot
of credit. I never liked playing that game. If I
think it's half.

Speaker 2 (01:34:30):
If we get knocked out in the wildcard, then we
weren't good enough.

Speaker 7 (01:34:34):
You know, but that's obvious. But I don't know who.
Who do you think would be an easier game?

Speaker 2 (01:34:39):
I don't know. I don't care.

Speaker 7 (01:34:41):
I agree with you. They can beat anybody, and they
can lose to anybody.

Speaker 5 (01:34:44):
But I think I'd rather play, you know, Jacksonville than Houston.
I'd rather play the Chargers than the Bills.

Speaker 2 (01:34:54):
But eventually you're gonna have to play somebody good, right,
or somebody better than who you think the Jacksonville jack
So i'd write if we're not good enough, I'd rather
get it over early.

Speaker 7 (01:35:03):
See not me, not me?

Speaker 5 (01:35:05):
If you're good I mean, I think there's much you're
telling me that you'd rather lose in the wild card
round in the AFC Championship.

Speaker 2 (01:35:16):
I don't know if i'd rather, but you just get
it over with. If we're not good enough before, if
we have to have the perfect matchups, then we're not gonna.

Speaker 7 (01:35:24):
Like it's not perfect. I just said that.

Speaker 5 (01:35:26):
I think they can beat anybody, and they can lose
to anybody, but.

Speaker 2 (01:35:29):
I just don't. I just I just don't like wasting
time worrying about that.

Speaker 5 (01:35:33):
Again, you have very You've been very consistent on that.
For even when the Patriots were great, right, you just
never really gave any thought to who they were playing.

Speaker 2 (01:35:43):
Whoever we're playing, that's who I'll worry about. So somebody
has an important question for Paul. This is Anthony. Yesterday
I asked the question, is it fair to say we
didn't play our best on Sunday? And you said, and
how we aren't? You said no, In how we aren't

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the Kurt Warner Rams, you also said I'm expecting too
much out of Pop and the receivers. Yes, you're right
about us not being the Rams, but is it really
too much to expect for Pop to at least have
a few catches. I know we put up thirty one
and that's a good outing.

Speaker 7 (01:36:17):
He has to play to get catches, right.

Speaker 2 (01:36:19):
I know we put up thirty one and that's a
good outing. But let's be honest, that was one of
the worst games by Drake by his standards. Are you
really saying I can't expect him to complete more than
five passes for forty two yards in the second half?
Or am I missing something?

Speaker 5 (01:36:33):
So you have to take the entire game into consideration.
I understand what the guy's point is, Okay, I don't
think they're capable of playing sixty minutes of dominant football.
I don't think they can do that. I don't think
they're good enough to do that. That's the point I'm
trying to say, Like, should I have expected a first

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down or two on the last two drives? Of course
you know that that would be But like, I don't
understand why when they This is a sports thing to me,
we take snapshots of when things are the absolute best,
and that's what that's what it is. The Celtics win

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six games in a row and suddenly we're talking about
Jason Tatum's coming back. They need to make a move
at the deadline, the East is wide open. Then they
lose two in a row, and everybody's like, oh, well
I got that.

Speaker 7 (01:37:26):
You know, don't take a snapshot.

Speaker 5 (01:37:28):
In other words, you watch the first half and three
out of the first four drives the Patriots scored touchdowns,
and you say, well, that's what they are. No, they're not.

Speaker 7 (01:37:38):
They're hot. They're hot right now it's going to level off. Yeah,
do you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 5 (01:37:44):
Yeah, because they're not quote unquote that talented to just
run rough shot over everybody.

Speaker 2 (01:37:49):
Well, the thing that I think has everyone in a
tizzy over this game is you had two disparate halfs.
Of course, you had probably the best half they played
and maybe the worst half.

Speaker 7 (01:37:58):
But if you can buy that's but it's pretty good.

Speaker 2 (01:38:02):
It's hard to do that. It's totally hard to do.

Speaker 7 (01:38:05):
It's totally hard to do.

Speaker 2 (01:38:07):
You know.

Speaker 5 (01:38:07):
Should they have been expected to play a little better
in the second half, of course they should. They're capable.
I've seen them play better than that many times. I've
never seen them anything near what they did in the
first thirty minutes.

Speaker 2 (01:38:18):
They haven't approached that ever, exactly right.

Speaker 5 (01:38:21):
So that's why I say overall, it's about as well
as they can play. I'm counting it all, not just
the second half.

Speaker 2 (01:38:28):
I'm hoping that they can play a first half like
that and a reasonably better in the second half. I'm
hoping that's a potential for that.

Speaker 5 (01:38:37):
So what I would expect is a little less than
that in the first half, but a little more than
that in the second half. Okay, and maybe the consistency
ultimately gets you we want to go. I don't think
that they're capable of doing what they did in the
first half very often.

Speaker 2 (01:38:49):
Yeah, I don't like that was like against the Bills.

Speaker 5 (01:38:53):
No, Yes, against the quality opponent, right, you know, I
think that that was they really were in total control
of that game.

Speaker 2 (01:39:01):
That's why he felt so confident going in this.

Speaker 5 (01:39:03):
In the first twenty five minutes in the first half,
they were in total control. Yeah, And I don't think
that's realistic to expect against another team that has talent yep.

Speaker 2 (01:39:13):
Robert writes in after being drafted, Henderson was compared to
James White because of his receiving ability. While he's obviously
a better runner than whitever was is there any reason
we're not seeing them utilize him differently in the passing game.
They are utilizing him in the passing game.

Speaker 7 (01:39:29):
Not a ton. I've been a little surprised at that myself.

Speaker 2 (01:39:31):
He's capable of running routes out wide or in the slot.
It seems like they could be able to create mismatches
in the passing game by moving him around a lot
more than they are. When you have a game where
we threw the ball so much in the second half
without success, it leaves you looking for ways to scheme
up easy plays. It seems like you could isolate him
in places take advantage of his big playability in the

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passing game more often. They seem to use Remandrae more
creatively in the passing game.

Speaker 5 (01:39:57):
And I disagree with that. Henderson's a much more frequent
target than how many.

Speaker 2 (01:40:03):
Targets did he have in the second half.

Speaker 7 (01:40:06):
We know how many targets did who have Henderson in
the game.

Speaker 2 (01:40:11):
Well, let's start with the game.

Speaker 7 (01:40:13):
He had three targets in the two catches.

Speaker 2 (01:40:15):
Yeah, that's not a lot.

Speaker 5 (01:40:16):
Yeah, but that's like they haven't used him a ton
as a receiver. I mean, he's got thirty four catches,
which is I think, you know, a decent number for
a rookie running back. First of all, can I just
say this is just a scratch and itch. James White
is still criminally underrated. But I'm going to leave that
off to the side.

Speaker 2 (01:40:34):
Okay, he's not as good a runner as Henderson.

Speaker 5 (01:40:38):
So I'm going to leave that off to the side.
The he's not as fast as Henderson. Yeah, I don't
know whatever argument definite. Traveon Henderson has elite top end
speed for any running back.

Speaker 2 (01:40:51):
White was anybody.

Speaker 5 (01:40:54):
James White was an excellent running back runner in pass receiver,
he was not as fast as Trevion Henderson. Henderson, to me,
they did exactly They tried to do exactly what you said.
On the third down at the end of the game.
They tried to isolate him outside on a wheel route
and he was covered like a blanket.

Speaker 7 (01:41:15):
They switched it up. I think Evan talked about this yesterday.

Speaker 5 (01:41:17):
They had a cornerback on him. So those are the
plays that James White made routinely, and I'm been a
little surprised that they haven't been able to do that
more often. But I mean, I think that you've gotten
seven hundred and seventy three yards rushing in another two
hundred and twelve yards receiving. You know, he's knocking on

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the door of a thousand yard scrimmage season. I think
he's had a really solid rookie year. I don't really
have any issues with his usage. I think that they've
done a really nice job with him.

Speaker 2 (01:41:48):
Carl from Salt Lake City originally from Western mass though
I was born in Western mass So the teasing is
noted and mildly hurtful on behalf of all of us
west of Worcester. It's okay, you got to live with it.

Speaker 7 (01:42:01):
It's all in.

Speaker 2 (01:42:02):
This game made it clear once again that we don't
have that binkie always open receiver for may. I know
we all thought it might be Diggs, but so far
it's been inconsistent. Do we have anyone on the current
roster who can really realistically fill that role.

Speaker 7 (01:42:16):
Well, Diggs has been doing that all season.

Speaker 2 (01:42:18):
Not playing right on third down for sure, the Binkie.

Speaker 7 (01:42:23):
That's what I'm saying. Diggs has been doing that all
season long. He's been the binky.

Speaker 5 (01:42:27):
He was even the binkie once on Sunday. Otherwise had
a quiet game. There was a big third down in
the second half that he converted.

Speaker 2 (01:42:34):
The bill seemed to provide a pretty solid blueprint for
how to stymy the Pagers passing attack. And I can't
shake the feeling that if this doesn't get figured out quickly,
our playoff chances are going to be pretty limited.

Speaker 7 (01:42:46):
Yeah, I mean, I'm gonna there's a lot of things
that I think.

Speaker 5 (01:42:50):
I'm not going to overreact on one game. That's going
to be one of them. The Bills have a really
good pass defense. And I'm not telling you they have
a great defense. I don't think they do. But their
pass defense has been ranked among the top five in
the league for virtually the entirety of the McDermott era,
including this year. So I you know, you can say

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they had a blueprint. You've got to figure out how
to how to come up with different ways and you know,
different schemes that that Sean McDermott did in the second
half to to turn you know, turn things around and
switch things up.

Speaker 7 (01:43:24):
I don't think just anybody can do that.

Speaker 2 (01:43:26):
Listen, if we if we think that Josh McDaniels is
a good offensive coordinator, and we do most of us anyway,
he'll he recognizes, you know.

Speaker 5 (01:43:36):
What's got to be adjustments to the adjustments, right so
we'll see, and I don't think that just anybody can
do You don't listen, Baltimore. I don't think it's going
to be an easy game this week. The Ravens have
some some something to play for, and they have some
ability on defense, and I think they've sort of overcome
their really lackluster start. We'll see what happens, but I
don't think just anybody can do what Buffalo did in

(01:43:58):
the second half. Yeah, I don't think it's as simple
as well, you know, your double team this guy and
you double teen that guy and they have no no answers.

Speaker 7 (01:44:04):
Well they'll they'll figure out some answers.

Speaker 2 (01:44:06):
Zach from zinci Uh. A positive talking point I want
to brought up after Sunday's loss was the fact that
Trevion Henderson jumped up to the highest odds for Offensive
Rookie of the Year. BUKA is great, but it's taken
a step back in production, and Ted doesn't have to
eye popping games like Trey does. Our guy have a

(01:44:27):
legitimate chance to get the NOD with the games left
being meaningful. I could see him having another one hundred
plus yard one touchdown game, which I think would seal
the deal.

Speaker 7 (01:44:35):
I think he has a good chance. I think those
are the top three.

Speaker 5 (01:44:39):
Personally, I would I would take McMillan because I think
he's all by himself, whereas the other two guys are
you know, parts of you know, better, better offenses. But
it's gonna come down to what the what the voters
look at, Like Abuka was really good for the vast
majority of the season in his tail off late, Henderson

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was nothing for the vast majority of the season and
has exploded as of late. Which one of those two
things do you want to sort of focus on if
you're a voter, right, I think that's what it could
come down to, because I do think one of those
two will win it because I think they're going to
be on better teams, you know. I mean, I guess
Tampa is really not a better team than Carolina.

Speaker 7 (01:45:21):
They're the same.

Speaker 5 (01:45:22):
So I don't know, but I do think it's funny
the Ohio State thing, which I was reading a little
bout this morning. They've had something like seven Rookies of
the Year the last like I don't know, half dozen years,
you know, Jack and Smith and Jigba, and.

Speaker 2 (01:45:41):
They come out pro ready.

Speaker 5 (01:45:42):
I guess, yeah, you know, Chase Young was one of
them that both Bosa's Joey and Nick Bosa were Defensive
Rookies of the Year. Yeah, I think Trevia and Henderson
is an excellent chance to win that because I do
think the last thing that people see sometimes sticks in
your mind longer. And right now with Abuka has been
he's kind of hit the wall.

Speaker 7 (01:46:01):
Yep a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:46:03):
Jay and Indy, Uh, what happened to the dink and
dunk offense and the checkdown? It's like all they do
now is run the ball and take deep shots.

Speaker 4 (01:46:13):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (01:46:14):
I don't really think they've done it. I don't know
about the deep shots all year. Yeah, they've been throwing
the ball down for.

Speaker 2 (01:46:19):
There was a play that everybody was, you know, sharing
on the X the last couple of days about the
crosser Drake. Drake decided to go to the sideline to
Henderson Henderson and he had booty crust.

Speaker 5 (01:46:34):
Yeah, he didn't come off Henderson quickly enough when he
saw he was covered, and he threw it away And
I think he should have probably come off of that quicker.
But they've been throwing the ball downfield all year. It's
not like this dink and dunk offense.

Speaker 2 (01:46:48):
No, he's saying what happened to it? I know, like,
why don't they do it?

Speaker 7 (01:46:52):
I don't know they didn't. I think he's saying they
didn't do it in this game. I don't think they
all year.

Speaker 2 (01:46:56):
No, that's what I think he's saying.

Speaker 5 (01:46:58):
I think I mean I want them to keep doing
what they're doing this year, because you know why, dink
and dunk hasn't been productive. This has been wow. So
I want to take the production. Well, he's thirty one point.

Speaker 2 (01:47:06):
He's saying they don't try it enough.

Speaker 7 (01:47:07):
Dnking donk.

Speaker 5 (01:47:08):
Yeah, I'll take scoring thirty one points and I'll take
my chances bus weeks.

Speaker 2 (01:47:11):
Okay.

Speaker 5 (01:47:12):
I don't think offense was the in terms of production.
I don't think offense was the reason why you lost. Now,
you needed situational football in the second half from the
offense that you didn't get. That's why I was disappointed
in the offense Sunday. But I'm not going to be
silly and say I don't want them to score as much.

Speaker 2 (01:47:29):
Do you think that Drake I think he makes now
all downfield in his stage of his career, is aware
of the easy profits.

Speaker 5 (01:47:40):
Yes, at this point, Yes, I think he does not
like to do that, or should he be. I think
most young quarterbacks don't want to do that. They look,
they want to throw the ball downfield. It takes him
a while to sort of figure that out, you don't
think so. I think a lot of young quarterbacks want
to make plays.

Speaker 2 (01:47:57):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:47:58):
Yeah, well, and then they realize, you know, you can
be efficient and you know, work it down the field.
But I think he's had so much success completing seventy
percent of his passes while he's throwing the ball downfield
as much as anybody in the league, it's hard to argue.

Speaker 2 (01:48:13):
Yeah, Barton Poland says, I'm alive, recovering from surgery. It
should be fine.

Speaker 7 (01:48:18):
Thanks this bart So, not this time.

Speaker 2 (01:48:20):
Fred, not this time. Plus. Fred called the Panthers beating
the Saints a lock. Well, if he only read my
email saying that the Panthers lost twelve straight games in
which they were favored, he would have known better. Okay,
there's one. Yeah, I said it was ten weeks ago.

Speaker 7 (01:48:36):
Okay, from ten weeks ago. It just happened. Oh the Panther,
Oh the Panthers just lost to the Saints.

Speaker 2 (01:48:42):
Okay, was that just this week.

Speaker 7 (01:48:44):
All right, that's what he's talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:48:46):
Lock.

Speaker 5 (01:48:46):
Yes, all right, he mocked me when I was thinking
about taking New Orleans. Oh, you're like, it's a lock.
I was like, okay, oh, and I said they already
lost to him once this year. Now they lost to
him twice.

Speaker 2 (01:48:57):
Yeah, all right, well they got a s. It wasn't
a good week.

Speaker 7 (01:49:01):
Both of those teams stink.

Speaker 2 (01:49:02):
Was it a bad week for everybody?

Speaker 18 (01:49:04):
Umm?

Speaker 5 (01:49:07):
Just okay, it wasn't just okay? Yeah, nothing special? Yeah,
but not a not Well I can't really remember. I
think I did.

Speaker 2 (01:49:16):
All right, Oh, you keep the book.

Speaker 7 (01:49:18):
That's correct.

Speaker 5 (01:49:19):
What do you think I'm making a comeback for I cheat?

Speaker 2 (01:49:24):
Yes, people want to talk about this game.

Speaker 5 (01:49:26):
Just so you know, if if there is ever any
cheating uncovered, please please know that it's completely an utterly
unintentional chore. I can't add unintentionally. I have no I
have math issues as I as I.

Speaker 7 (01:49:40):
You know. In a little comeback, when we talked about
the All Star.

Speaker 2 (01:49:43):
Breaks, figured off it's all for fun?

Speaker 7 (01:49:45):
What six weeks was?

Speaker 2 (01:49:46):
It's all for fun? Craig says. I had a professor
who told told us an exam where you score a
ninety eight means nothing. Students need to know where they
are lacking. Therefore, an exam where you fail communicates much more.

Speaker 7 (01:50:03):
That's interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:50:04):
How about getting a ninety eight means I actually learned
it right?

Speaker 7 (01:50:07):
And it means would in that show that you you learn?

Speaker 5 (01:50:09):
Why do you have to Why do you always have
to be needing to learn more in a you know,
in a finite subject like I'm not saying like everybody
should always be no one should ever be satisfied with
their knowledge in general, like you're always looking to learn more.

Speaker 2 (01:50:25):
I don't I don't put that. Yeah, I don't know
if I subscribe to that anyway. Can this be applied
to the Patriot's loss to the Bills through the loss
of the areas of concern are obvious and can be
addressed well, Yes, of course you can learn from what
you didn't do right.

Speaker 7 (01:50:40):
But you would have the same opportunity how they won
the game.

Speaker 2 (01:50:42):
How about learning we are so good that it's time
to add on more. It's time to open up more
of the play like this learning and everything.

Speaker 5 (01:50:52):
They could you not have learned that you could have
taken the ball with two minutes left, gone down the field,
scored in one thirty eight thirty five, when you have
learned something about how to, you know, sort of pick
yourself up and overcome the bad stuff that was going
on in the second half. What did you say everybody
wants to talk about the game that.

Speaker 2 (01:51:08):
They still want to talk about the Bills game.

Speaker 5 (01:51:10):
Yeah, it was a you know, it was one of
the rare big games that they've had.

Speaker 7 (01:51:15):
You know, we're going to talk about the Giants, but.

Speaker 2 (01:51:19):
You know, we got to have Mac Collins mindset, flush
the toilet, big shock. Nick Wright said he's out of Ohio.
Took the wife to the Scorpion Bar at Patriot Place
and it was fantastic.

Speaker 7 (01:51:32):
Nice.

Speaker 2 (01:51:32):
If I can sum up the game in one play
from Josh Allen versus the defense, it's the last play
where he audibled into the full back dive and got
the first down. That was a veteran move of reading
the defense and pushing through something that he obviously saw.
My two cents, I don't remember that.

Speaker 5 (01:51:50):
I mean, I know the players talking about Ty Johnson
just ran it up the middle for a couple of yards.

Speaker 7 (01:51:54):
Got the first.

Speaker 2 (01:51:57):
Talk about audible.

Speaker 14 (01:52:00):
That none of them look like Devin Henry. Hey, Mike,
what was it like in the locker room.

Speaker 16 (01:52:09):
What was it like in.

Speaker 1 (01:52:11):
The well, Mike, Yeah, I was busy again, another crazy Wednesday.
Oh I forgot about that.

Speaker 7 (01:52:18):
Uh we're going few Wednesday now, I know.

Speaker 1 (01:52:21):
Trying to cut back. So some things to report. Robert
Splint spot in a walking boot locker.

Speaker 2 (01:52:27):
Room, hence the signing of the line back.

Speaker 5 (01:52:30):
Yeah, well now I worry that Evan when he said
that maybe something happened in the pregame mmmmm, like like
a roma Jonesay, oh yeah, I didn't even think of that.

Speaker 1 (01:52:42):
That's not good. But we also heard from Digs as
usual on Wednesday and you know, preaching the same message
he has. You know, we got to bounce back. It's
a really good team. Talked a little bit, not so
much overlap with Rabel, but is seeing how they they
the Ravens prey on bad football and that's you know,
something I know they're trying to instill here, but sounds
like that's definitely something they're trying to avoid, is the

(01:53:05):
negative plays, the turnovers, all those kind of things. But
everybody seems excited. I mean, Morgan was talk to him too,
Garrett Bradberry as well. Just turning the page and I
think everybody acknowledged, like, you know, we lost a tough game,
but we're still a good team. We all still believe
in each other and what we're gonna do. But we
got to pull up back together to play the Ravens
this weekend. I on Evan, I'll let him reveal the content,

(01:53:26):
but he was talking to Christian Barmo for a while.

Speaker 5 (01:53:29):
So, oh, I can only imagine how many times you
got help. Now that one, to me is much more palatable.
All right, the player, Oh yeah, right, right, right, right now.

Speaker 7 (01:53:38):
Different.

Speaker 1 (01:53:38):
It doesn't have to be a weekly thing. But but
it was funny when even came over, He's like, he's
in a bad place. So so yeah, you know, I
tried to get back quick. We had a couple other
conversations going on, and we had to talk to some
of the guys in locker room stuf. But it was
good otherwise.

Speaker 2 (01:53:52):
So back in the day when Belichick was coach, if
it was midweek and a guy was in a walking boot,
he probably wouldn't show up in the locker.

Speaker 1 (01:54:00):
Room, right, I know, Well, I mean and and and
that's what I thought at first, And honestly, I was like,
I'm okay to say this right. I mean it happened
during little open locker and we walked right through. Everybody
saw him.

Speaker 7 (01:54:08):
You can report what you see.

Speaker 3 (01:54:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:54:10):
Yeah, So he walked through and then he but he
kind of like did like the little and then walked
out and I was like, that's an interesting But then
he was back in and just kind of hanging out
at the at the center table there talking.

Speaker 2 (01:54:21):
No, you know, not just maybe it's just resting it.

Speaker 5 (01:54:23):
Yeah, it might be just preventitive, you know, you want
to mobilize it, keep you know whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:54:27):
Yeah, and it sounds like you'll be a game time
decision again.

Speaker 7 (01:54:30):
I asked him, I would agree for.

Speaker 1 (01:54:32):
I mean I would again, I would. It's a question
for Vrabel and I know he probably wouldn't give you
the response you want, but you know, do the coaching
staff consider, you know, we're trying to win the battle
or win the war here and this is you know,
it's it going to be great for him to go
out there and play sixty snaps trying to tackle Derrick
Henry on twenty or thirty of them, Like, I don't know,
it's some they're probably thinking about. But Chad Muma was

(01:54:52):
there as well, so he is getting ready to go
out there to practice. I'd be surprised to spilling practices.

Speaker 2 (01:54:56):
How big is Muma.

Speaker 1 (01:54:58):
He's kind of like a lot of their linebackers, not
that I probably like six two thirty in that range.
Is not a huge guy, more of a runner. I
know he was was a wyoming guy like Logan Wilson,
you know, the mobile inside linebacker's got like the llis
kind of listed six. That's a little bigger than I
was thought, actually thirty nine to be inact. But that's

(01:55:21):
didn't I mean, he walked by me, But that sounds
about right. I played a little bit. I watched a
little hit on the edge of the tiny bit. One
of those linebackers that can do at all. So we'll see.
I love pulse thing about him maybe being a you know,
at least getting thrown right in on special teams. Yeah,
you know, give some depth. Yeah, so we'll see what
the uh what the injury reports like today and how
many of these guys are banged up and actually make

(01:55:42):
it out there.

Speaker 2 (01:55:43):
Yeah. So a crowded locker room, music playing.

Speaker 1 (01:55:47):
No, no music playing, But you know there were Patriots
content team handing out like stockings. There were some There
was also some some NCAA bracket going on. I don't
know if we're going to do that again this year. I
think we did it last year, right with the with
the NCAA football playoffs.

Speaker 5 (01:56:02):
We did I definitely did not.

Speaker 1 (01:56:03):
You did not.

Speaker 7 (01:56:03):
I did not.

Speaker 2 (01:56:06):
All right?

Speaker 7 (01:56:06):
You remember I would, I mean I would pretty firm.

Speaker 1 (01:56:09):
I would have remembermember if I wanted to watch remember
doing some of that stuff. So that's just you know,
active time of year with with the holidays and everything.
So a lot lot going.

Speaker 2 (01:56:17):
On, A lot going on. Okay, all right, so.

Speaker 1 (01:56:20):
I interrupt something big that was going on.

Speaker 5 (01:56:21):
No, No, just like going over some more of the
stuff people left over from the bills.

Speaker 2 (01:56:27):
Still people want to talk about the bills. Yeah, uh,
let's see what uh Danny and Daytona wants to talk about.
What's up? Danny? Did I hit that right? Danny?

Speaker 4 (01:56:41):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:56:41):
There you go.

Speaker 20 (01:56:44):
If I love you guys, hear me now? So I
was thinking, so what if this year's here's kind of
a hypothetical. I don't usually come out with these, but
uh so one pitch that maybe held the defense. What
do you think about this take? If you know, Mike
Rabel goes back and to the jar and kind of
reaches for JJ Watt. I know he's on television. I

(01:57:04):
know he's probably getting paid millions of dollars doing CBS
broadcast like he was doing on Sunday, But what do
you guys think about JJ Watson? Then another candidate, if
you can remember, the Patriots did do this. It wasn't
with Mike Brabell. Belichick did this back in twenty fourteen.
They went did the same thing. They went and reached
and got Stephen Jackson in December.

Speaker 2 (01:57:24):
Yeah, how did that work out?

Speaker 9 (01:57:25):
We went to Yeah, it wasn't.

Speaker 20 (01:57:27):
Yeah, it wasn't a great It wasn't a great thing,
but we did do that. And then the other person,
what about if they threw the bag at Aaron Donald
I'm talking about basically allowed him to come in do
whatever he wanted to do on defense and threw the
bag at him. I know he's he's lost a lot
of weight, he's not that playing weight. But what do
you think about those two kids, JJ and Aaron Donald?

(01:57:49):
Two two definite Hall of fame at all pro guys.

Speaker 2 (01:57:53):
Yeah, like these big guys, once they stopped playing, they
either lose a lot of weight or they put on
a lot of weak them. They're just not the same
as when they were playing.

Speaker 7 (01:58:04):
You know, I thought there's no other eating skinless chicken.

Speaker 1 (01:58:08):
He's got glass.

Speaker 2 (01:58:09):
I mean even even a quarterback. Rivers came in. He
had a gut, you know. Yeah, So I'm.

Speaker 1 (01:58:14):
Gonna kicker.

Speaker 2 (01:58:17):
At those interests. At those high contact positions like linemen,
it's it's tough to pick time off and come back
like that.

Speaker 1 (01:58:25):
I thought he was pulling towards Matthew Judo.

Speaker 2 (01:58:28):
Well, Judah has been playing, That's definitely.

Speaker 5 (01:58:30):
That's what I'm saying. He just got cut today. Yeah,
wanted to bring him in for a veteran depth piece.

Speaker 2 (01:58:35):
Yeah. That that that's a whole different story.

Speaker 7 (01:58:37):
Roll sure, I mean J J. Watt hasn't played.

Speaker 2 (01:58:39):
When you've been on the shelf for that long. Yeah, yeah,
you're not in playing shape. But it'll take you a
month just to get in playing shape. Robert is in Henderson.
I assume that's Las Vegas. What's up Robert?

Speaker 4 (01:58:54):
Hey, Robert either.

Speaker 21 (01:58:56):
I had a couple of quick questions just I was wondering.
So during the Bills game, I feel like Stefan Diggs
is not They're like not using, utilizing him correctly, like
he's being somewhat phased out of the office. I'm not
being phased out, but he's not in consistently as a

(01:59:18):
wide receiver one, and it seemed like they're not. The
receivers weren't getting separation, and I just felt like he
could have been in more often to be getting open
for Drake may. I don't know if this has been
a if you guys talked about this or not.

Speaker 2 (01:59:32):
Ivan here, Like, I don't know what they would do.

Speaker 7 (01:59:34):
It wasn't getting open, yeah, but was.

Speaker 2 (01:59:36):
It because of single coverage or were they doubling.

Speaker 5 (01:59:38):
They doubled him frequently in this game. They made sure
that he didn't do what he did in the first game. Yeah,
I mean just from a layman's perspective, But I think
this is another one of those things, like it just
has to be someone's fault, Like the Bills did a
good job. They did something entirely different in the second
half and they did in the first half, and the
Patriots weren't ready to deal with it. Sometimes the other

(02:00:01):
team wins, and I think this is as simple as that.
I don't think it's a blueprint because I don't think
it's just easy to just snap your fingers and change
everything you're doing at halftime. That's what Sean McDermott did
in this game. I give him a lot of credit.

Speaker 2 (02:00:14):
Yeah, I think, I think. I think fans just want
to find the reasons to understand are they fixable? Is
this you know, is it something that we can't overcome,
or is.

Speaker 7 (02:00:25):
It anything is fixable?

Speaker 2 (02:00:27):
Well not for all teams.

Speaker 5 (02:00:29):
No, I'm talking about Yeah, as long as you have
a quarterback who's who's good, anything is fixable.

Speaker 7 (02:00:35):
Drake May didn't play well Sunday.

Speaker 5 (02:00:37):
I mean, he's played thirteen pretty good games and he
played this one well.

Speaker 2 (02:00:42):
And that's the thing. If you just mean, if the
offense had just been a little better in the second half,
you win.

Speaker 7 (02:00:47):
The games in four yeah, not so good games, you.

Speaker 2 (02:00:49):
Win the game if you're just a little better in
the second half offensively.

Speaker 7 (02:00:53):
Right, Yeah, that's right. You lose.

Speaker 2 (02:00:55):
It's that simple.

Speaker 1 (02:00:56):
When you lose, it's easy to lose sight of how
it looked when it was good. And you know, this
is a team that is still good and can play
well and has better talent than they showed them. But
they got to execute.

Speaker 2 (02:01:06):
I wonder, like you know, like there's a lot of
good teams that have lost the bad teams this year. Like,
what are those fans say after those games? I guess
it's the same.

Speaker 5 (02:01:15):
Yeah, rights one of them, Yeah exactly. They lost to
a two win Raiders team. Yeah, I mean, it just
happened so long ago that people forget that it happened.

Speaker 2 (02:01:23):
Well, we didn't know we were good back then.

Speaker 5 (02:01:25):
But we're still eleven and three and you lost to
the Raiders, who have the like the second worst point
differential in football, to only Tennessee.

Speaker 1 (02:01:32):
And there's been some of those on the Brady Ara too.
The for Miami loss.

Speaker 5 (02:01:37):
It happens, it happens.

Speaker 7 (02:01:39):
Mike, Yeah, yes, Mike, so my name.

Speaker 2 (02:01:44):
All right, we'll be back tomorrow. Raven's coming up on
Sunday night. It's gonna be a good one. But we'll
have a lot more to talk about tomorrow. I'm sure.
Anything else that makes it no picks tomorrow. Oh and
the Baltimore information for the party you have.

Speaker 1 (02:02:00):
Oh yeah, I said it yesterday. We can say it
again tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (02:02:03):
Okay, we'll say it tomorrow. Save that for tomorrow. Yeah,
so that'll be a big tease for tomorrow.

Speaker 7 (02:02:07):
Yeah, they have to make sure they come back and listen.

Speaker 2 (02:02:08):
Yeah, all right, thanks for listening today.

Speaker 16 (02:02:13):
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Speaker 16 (02:02:15):
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