Patriots Unfiltered 12/18: Ravens Preview, Injury Updates, Week 16 NFL Picks

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 3 (00:14):
Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered.

Speaker 2 (00:18):
So it's Evan, it's Paul, let's do U, it's me,
It's Alex and Matt in the poop I like that.

Speaker 3 (00:26):
Song.

Speaker 4 (00:26):
So when you take a poop, you don't stare at
it forever. You gotta flush it. Eventually we carried the ball. Yeah,
I don't know about that, but they flushed. The people
are at the point now he's a or. We're trending
towards bad bad weather. Quarterback.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
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Speaker 1 (00:43):
It's not just my timeline.

Speaker 4 (00:44):
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Speaker 2 (00:47):
To you too.

Speaker 3 (00:47):
Which one do you think the Patriots at better shooted
to defend?

Speaker 2 (00:50):
I think earlier it was, oh gee.

Speaker 3 (00:54):
There's only so many double passages you can run for
thirteen yards, you know like that those kinds of comments
I think some people are I know, but I wasn't
on my fun with calendars with Paul. Math not my strong.

Speaker 1 (01:05):
That's why I put my calendar out.

Speaker 4 (01:07):
You know, in the second half they maybe they could
have used his energy a little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:11):
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Speaker 2 (01:19):
All right, welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. It is Thursday here
at Chills Stadium, and we're getting ready for the Baltimore
Ravens Sunday Night, Sunday Night football on Andre and it's
Evidence caul let's deuce. It's Alex as Fred, It's Alex
and Matt in the booth. Well you have that extra person.

Speaker 4 (01:42):
Don't play mallet, but a boy in the booth.

Speaker 2 (01:47):
So what what's going on today? We got our market sick? Yeah,
he's said, we got a new I guess lose a
few people that are sick in Baltimore, I guess. But
I'm I'm going to talk about Patriots. Are our injury
report has me worried?

Speaker 5 (02:02):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (02:02):
Sure, yeah da, So right off the bat, let's talk
about that, sure about it?

Speaker 6 (02:07):
Sure call no robertsplane, which we kind of anticipated when
he was in the walking boat yesterday. But also Christian
Ellis too, another one who well.

Speaker 4 (02:15):
He is an illness So let's hope that that's not
something that I'm not worried about mattling games. Yeah, but
Marcus Jones and Carlon Davis. Yeah, Marcus Jones was in
rough shape after the game, and so I think a
lot of us like kind of clocked that and made
note of it and then just beat up me. Yeah,
he was struggling to get his pads off and like

(02:37):
was just kind of you know, in pain.

Speaker 2 (02:41):
Listen, like fairness that that is, like that the controversial
play that he was involved in. I mean, both guys
hit the ground hard. There was no like that guy,
you know, bracing for a fall there. They were both
you know, focused on the ball and that was it.

Speaker 1 (02:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:55):
That guy, I mean he played in the slot like
that is here in a car crash every single week.
So he's got a knee injury is the official designation there.
Carl Davis has a hip. It was said in the
game it was a groin. Now it's a hip.

Speaker 2 (03:13):
Connected, yeah, which worries me more so he's.

Speaker 4 (03:17):
Got he's got a hip and then well he has two,
but he has one that's hurt. And then he is
thank you, Harold Landry is still dealing with the knee
thing like he's gonna play.

Speaker 2 (03:29):
Let's say, is what is that Brady right shoulder thing?

Speaker 6 (03:32):
Yeah, I mean I think Vrabel's been like this generally
through the season.

Speaker 1 (03:35):
So we'll see today.

Speaker 6 (03:36):
I'm not going to get too worried just yet about
some of these we'll see. I think he's liberally rested
guys generally on you know, bar Moore has consistently been
out Wednesday. I mean, definitely interesting and eyes will be
peeled for when that injury report comes out today.

Speaker 3 (03:50):
But I put Landry in that category. I think he's
periodically gotten some d nps at practice. He's certainly not healthy.
I'm not trying to say, oh, it's nothing, it's nothing.
It's not Brady right shoulder, right, It's something he's dealing with.
And I think he's missed some practice time. But I
agree with Evan, I expect him to play. Jones and
Davis to me are the ones that I would be concerned.

Speaker 1 (04:13):
If he had lose. I mean, you know, Chucky Trees.

Speaker 2 (04:15):
But yeah, I had to pick a unit to be
banged up for this game, would it be your defensive facts?

Speaker 4 (04:21):
I think corner, Yeah, I would be fine, Like if
Carlon Davis can't play in this game, right, They don't
really throw the ball. They're outside receivers anyways.

Speaker 3 (04:30):
But would you think about using one of those on
one of the tight ends.

Speaker 4 (04:35):
I've thought that they might do that all year and
they have it.

Speaker 2 (04:37):
Yeah, every game.

Speaker 4 (04:39):
That would have been my answer to every game they
have they play good tight ends. I'm like, maybe this
is the week they put Carlton Davis on the tight
end and they never do.

Speaker 3 (04:46):
There's a play here or there, but haven't done it
really consistently. But Marcus Jones and Jay Flowers to me,
ye or two guys that I think could have seen
each other quite a bit.

Speaker 1 (04:54):
And you don't really have a second slot guy. I mean,
the next guy.

Speaker 6 (04:57):
Up after Chucky Trees would be uh, your guy Miles
Battle from last year is the next on the list,
and he's an outside guy too, So there really isn't
a little quick, shifty guy to deal with, what you.

Speaker 2 (05:09):
Know, receiver? Yeah yeah, okay, So we have to keep
our eye on the injury report. We'll have another one
coming out today and of course after Friday's practice. Uh,
and then Evan will have his Saturday update.

Speaker 4 (05:23):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's gonna be interesting. You know, downgrades
and travel and all that stuff. But we did see
carl and Davis and Marcus Jones in the locker room
and you know, they they look to be, you know,
as good as you could possibly look walking through a
locker room. So I hopefully that is just like a
Wednesday maintenance coming off a tough game kind of day.

Speaker 2 (05:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (05:45):
Maybe not for Davis because he was hurt during the game,
but for Marcus Jones.

Speaker 1 (05:48):
Yeah, I think. I mean, I'm gonna say now, I
Betpallin doesn't play.

Speaker 4 (05:52):
Oh yeah, I'd be shocked if he like it.

Speaker 1 (05:54):
Like, you know, why do you say that, Well, now
he's in a walking boot.

Speaker 2 (05:58):
We hadn't seen me.

Speaker 1 (05:58):
He was in the locker room last week yesterday.

Speaker 2 (06:00):
Yeah, we talked about that yesterday. It could be significant,
could be you know, preventative.

Speaker 6 (06:06):
Just just keep mobile, balancing, you know, Like again, you're
going against Derrick Henry in a really tough run game.
It's it's just it's hard to see throwing Spolaine in
there for what to get them further injured, and now
you lose this game. I mean, these Jets and Dolphins
games get even more critical. So I I'd probably back
off and just like.

Speaker 2 (06:25):
In a moment of truth, if Rabel said I'd rather
be healthy, you know, down the road, then you know,
put it go all in for this game. Would you
be upset at that? I'm not saying he's saying that. No, No,
you know, I'm just no.

Speaker 6 (06:39):
I would understand it. I just I guess my question
is with a guy like Landry and Spolaine, is how
healthy can you get? You know, and how severe are
these bumps and bruises which you know are I mean,
with lander you could go all the way back to
you know, Tennessee, New Orleans. So I mean it's, uh,
you just don't know. You don't know the severity, you
don't know what they're dealing with.

Speaker 4 (06:58):
It's like that seems to be land situation where it's
like this is just a knee thing and it's not
going to get remarkably better or worse. So we're just
going to manage it during the week and he's going
to play on Sunday.

Speaker 1 (07:10):
It's like the hockey thing where then this is just
clean up. And also he had a puncture kid, he
just had a procedure.

Speaker 4 (07:19):
Yeah, now I do clean up that. You could see like,
is it crazy to maybe start platooning that spot a
little bit with Landry because he just hasn't been himself
and he and he hasn't been as disruptive, and I
just wonder if maybe playing a little bit less, like
letting Ponder or Anthony Jennings or whoever, like play a
little bit more at that spot and maybe you just

(07:41):
use Landry like on third down or obvious passing situations
or whatever.

Speaker 6 (07:46):
That was my question that was just like, well, where
do you use him? Because it feels like he's missing
some of the juice to to really get after the passer.
So yeah, you know, I found myself going back and
forth thinking about that, being like, well, on one hand,
I think he's a smart, tough player, and maybe you
don't need the speed as much on the early downs, don't.

Speaker 1 (08:02):
I don't know what the answer is.

Speaker 4 (08:03):
It's I would play him on third down because I
still think, you know, he has enough juice and enough
kind of savvy yeah to win, But like, you know,
playing him, you know, seventy eighty percent of the snaps
on a bad knee. It's just a thought maybe they could,
you know, give Ponder Jennings a little bit more opportunity

(08:24):
out there and maybe Swinston's active for the game, you know,
and and try to rotate that spot a little bit
more because but they need more out of both him
and Chase on than what they got against Buffalo. I mean,
those two guys were really shut down against the Bills.

Speaker 2 (08:39):
So so Ryan and now Tucson has a couple questions.
The first one he says is simple, are you emotionally
prepared to lose this game on Sunday night? Why? Why not?

Speaker 1 (08:50):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (08:51):
Well, it's it's honestly not the end of the world
if they lose the game. Now it's terror. You don't
want to lose two games in a row and that
whole thing, But it's the division and like playoff seating,
it's really not the end of the world if they
lose the game on Sunday.

Speaker 2 (09:04):
I don't know if I am I am? I actually,
I just like you said, two in a row. You know,
all of a sudden, we played the two good teams
and we end up losing both to both of them.
I don't know emotionally if that's good for me.

Speaker 6 (09:18):
Yeah, I mean, I think leaning more into my historical
perspective on the Ravens and the respect that I've always
had for that team, whether it was Joe Flacco or
Lamar Jackson. I was telling Paul I went back and
looked at the last three games just to remember that
twenty nineteen game, the twenty twenty game with Cam Newton,
and then the mac Jones game was such an interesting
cross section of like the end of the Brady era,

(09:38):
that one twenty twenty year with Cam Newton, and then
you know the mac Jones offense in twenty twenty two,
and you know, just seeing kind of the different players
pop up and say to Paul, I'm like, God, we talked,
we spent we talk about these guys.

Speaker 1 (09:47):
All the time.

Speaker 6 (09:48):
And then you look back and I'm like, who is
that fifty three? Like I don't you know, the guys
have turned out enough to go back, But.

Speaker 4 (09:56):
How relevance does that game?

Speaker 7 (09:58):
Hatch?

Speaker 3 (10:00):
I don't pick enough to go back and watch the
mac Jones games.

Speaker 6 (10:02):
I would say, Lamar Jackson appreciation is what it is,
just you know, the player that he is and the
cross section he was really coming in.

Speaker 1 (10:10):
No, they could they couldn't do anything, you know.

Speaker 6 (10:14):
But yeah, that I mean, That's where I'm kind of
defaulting back to and I think the Ravens need this
game more. They're they're seven and seven. They're chasing the
Steelers right now. They're out of the playoff race right now.

Speaker 3 (10:24):
That's why I'm emotionally prepared to lose. It's more about them. Yeah,
and Evan's right, it's if you had to. You don't
want to lose two in a row. You don't want
to lose any more games.

Speaker 8 (10:34):
I haven't done it all year either.

Speaker 3 (10:35):
Yeah, you don't want to lose. I'm not suggesting that, oh,
this is that you can take your foot off the gas.
Like back to the health of the team. I'm not
sitting anybody who can play because this game isn't vitally important.
I would worry with Spellane specifically. We go back to
the Giants game when he didn't play a ton late
in the game, and we all talked about in the

(10:56):
post game. We didn't know why it was weird. He's
always pretty much one hundred percent, and then that game
was much less. You get two weeks off and he's,
you know, dealing with a toe injury. You know, that
was what came up on the injury report last week.
Now it's ankle, Now it's his ankle and he's in
a boot traveling, and I'm wondering if you know Evan

(11:19):
threw something out And I actually asked Evan off the air,
so Mike, this is not tattling on air like you
did to me, just sort of throwing things out there.
Do you think that maybe you know, he did dress
out for the game, and we all kind of looked
at his emergency purposes. But I wonder if maybe going
through the pregame, and Evan said he did notice he

(11:41):
was really hobbled in pregame. I wonder if he aggravated
something or injured something in the pregame. And it's a
whole different problem which would be to me far more
significant going forward. If he could play, I would play him.
But I don't know if that's the case right now.
And I thought Mike re said just a little little

(12:02):
minor thing when he tweeted he was like the last
guy and is leaving and he says, lead them. You know,
he's got a boot on, he's not going out to practice.
It's like, you don't.

Speaker 1 (12:16):
Like lead them, lead them, lead them?

Speaker 3 (12:19):
He said to as to.

Speaker 2 (12:23):
What's very dramatic, it is.

Speaker 3 (12:25):
It is very dramatic, very dramatic, I really and I
agree with Mike. I don't expect to see spoiling play
this week. Now. Maybe it's completely different. We're going to practice,
he said, That's what I'm just Mike to me as one.

Speaker 4 (12:42):
You know that I love Mike. He't I'm not saying
he made it up.

Speaker 3 (12:47):
I just no, one didn't do it. I know that,
like this isn't brave heart.

Speaker 1 (12:51):
I don't know.

Speaker 9 (12:52):
Was it also dramatic because of like what has been
going through? Maybe maybe are we too far removed from that.

Speaker 4 (12:57):
I'm just trying to clear.

Speaker 3 (13:00):
Did not make it dramatic?

Speaker 10 (13:02):
Not?

Speaker 3 (13:03):
I mean, how else are you going to take that?
But Mike just said that Spolaine wasn't going out to practice.
He had the boot and as was leaving, he said
leave them. That's all that. But that's all Mike did
was just presented the facts. I think I sort of
presented it a little bit more dramatical.

Speaker 2 (13:21):
Yeah, sure, like you like a bag of chips and
he meant to say leave them, leave the chips.

Speaker 3 (13:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (13:29):
I mean that honestly feeds into something that I mean,
we said in that Bills game, maybe Spoleain could have
made a play, But I Also he's been the heartbeat
of that team in the middle.

Speaker 1 (13:37):
I mean, he's just kind of the leader of that defense.

Speaker 6 (13:40):
Is the first game they've had to play without him,
and I I think that is significant.

Speaker 1 (13:43):
I think he is the leader.

Speaker 6 (13:44):
And you know when I caught that from Mike, you know,
especially with Elis out of practice too, you know, they
need somebody to kind of step up. And I wonder
if that played into the fact they couldn't turn it around.
You know, they couldn't make a play, they couldn't stop
the bleeding. It just kept pouring and pouring until that.

Speaker 2 (13:59):
You know, Paul, when you go on your shows, you
should you tell, you should say to like lead them,
you know, next.

Speaker 3 (14:08):
Week before before I leave to go to my show,
that's gonna be my meme. This is your show.

Speaker 2 (14:17):
That's a new meme. It was practice.

Speaker 4 (14:23):
That's literally it was yesterday yesterday?

Speaker 2 (14:31):
Is it even better Wednesday?

Speaker 7 (14:33):
Practice?

Speaker 1 (14:34):
I love heart of Players. That's great. You know, that's
totally on brand with him.

Speaker 9 (14:39):
Intense explain Like I asked that man before we did
the pet adoption event at training camp, like just softball,
Like how fun is this to be? Having all these
puppies in an adoption event at practice, and he's like, yeah,
that's cool, but like I'm more excited about football, like
it was the most.

Speaker 1 (14:57):
Yeah, yeah it was. That's him.

Speaker 2 (15:00):
All right, Well that's that's a good one. Okay, what else?
What else do we have? I listen, I don't want
to beat the dead horse here, but all this talk
about who would you rather face in the playoffs, you're
one of your places. NBC Sports Boston had a poll
this morning. This is why I got triggered. You know,

(15:22):
which team would you least or most or at least one?
If I forget which, I think it's fans. We need
to push back.

Speaker 1 (15:30):
On this stuff.

Speaker 2 (15:31):
No, you need to put as fans.

Speaker 3 (15:33):
It makes you I'm a fan, and I'm not pushing back.

Speaker 2 (15:35):
Well, I'm telling you right now, I need It makes
a fan base look weak if that's what they're worried about.
Who should we or we shouldn't face? It makes you
look weak fans, So push back on it. Say we
don't care.

Speaker 3 (15:51):
I want what's best for my media.

Speaker 2 (15:52):
You talk about you care, don't drag us into your polls,
because we'll take whoever, whoever you know, whoever's our opponent.

Speaker 3 (16:01):
That's who will be dramatic about that at all.

Speaker 2 (16:04):
Lead them so like think like me, yeah, so you're
back on this type of discussion. We're not afraid of anybody.

Speaker 1 (16:14):
Who do you want to face friends or not want
to face?

Speaker 3 (16:23):
I had. This is so funny because I had this
exact conversation. Would Do says, we were going over to
the pro shop this morning, a very crowded passion.

Speaker 6 (16:31):
By the way, if you're looking for rivalries gear, you
better get your butt down here.

Speaker 1 (16:37):
Just god. But like, yeah, they were doing a rivalry refresh.

Speaker 6 (16:43):
So if you've been shopping and you're just trying to
find rivalry gear, you know that it's not available anywhere.

Speaker 1 (16:49):
So the rivalry refresh happened today. Paul and I were like, hey,
let's go over and see what they got. You know,
with this stuff, it's great for Christmas presence.

Speaker 6 (16:56):
And the line was literally like we're walking and we
can see it all the way out to like that
new overhang structure that's like out by the parking lot,
and I'm.

Speaker 2 (17:05):
Saying that's like forty forty fifty.

Speaker 3 (17:08):
It was at least fifty. It was fifty plus people deep,
I mean easily.

Speaker 1 (17:11):
And I said the palm like is that for the
pro shop?

Speaker 6 (17:13):
And then lo and behold you come around the corner
all the way in we saw uh you know Ariel
down there who runs the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 1 (17:19):
She said, no, they've been lined up since eight and
eight o'clock. People were winding up.

Speaker 2 (17:23):
Yeah, this was the Wow.

Speaker 9 (17:26):
Eight pm, so that happens to come early for like,
I'm wondering.

Speaker 3 (17:32):
So Mike and I didn't get we.

Speaker 1 (17:35):
Could have thrown our way, I don't know, just to
be clear, we were.

Speaker 3 (17:39):
Offered there, but we did not.

Speaker 8 (17:41):
Do it would be like flashing his badge.

Speaker 6 (17:48):
You know here Now, me and Paul are like probably
the most humble people in the whole the rivalry.

Speaker 2 (17:52):
Gere especially humble of you to say immediately after, you know,
during the game that we wore them. And you know,
the way Nike does it, it takes a while to
get more stuff. So I guess they finally got it today.
I'm wondering, and maybe some of our fans could confirm.
Does that mean that fanatics gout refreshed as well because

(18:13):
it wasn't available there?

Speaker 1 (18:14):
Yeah, you know so online.

Speaker 2 (18:16):
So for those people that don't live in the Foxborough vicinity,
maybe they'd like to go to Fanatics and check it
out and see if they've got a restock of our
rivalry gear.

Speaker 8 (18:25):
I was able to get.

Speaker 9 (18:26):
Well, this is probably different, but the rivalry RKK sneakers.
But Second Mark like stock exes. Technically is that a
second market?

Speaker 10 (18:35):
What?

Speaker 3 (18:36):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (18:36):
Stock x yes, yes, going down? What's that?

Speaker 8 (18:41):
It's a big online retailer of sneakers.

Speaker 3 (18:44):
Okay, how they're going to need to see you after
the show.

Speaker 8 (18:50):
So secondary market. I would buy it for Fanatics if
I could, or.

Speaker 1 (18:53):
The pro show second black market. Secondary I got it
for my brother in law just like two weeks ago.

Speaker 4 (18:59):
It's like when they have the like places in China,
they'll send you like knockoff pers.

Speaker 1 (19:03):
Sure that great for that.

Speaker 2 (19:06):
So if anyone, anyone can confirm or tell us whether
or not Fanatics has Patriots rivalry gear, let us know
and we'll get the word out so people can rush
to their internet.

Speaker 6 (19:18):
Yeah, yeah, for sure. Now it's in demand. It's the
hot item. I mean even going to my wife's Christmas
party last week, people are like, where can I get stuff?
So it's way to Jiana I because I knew that
Lyndon had already told me that, like.

Speaker 1 (19:30):
A bunch of people would like hit her up of like,
do you know where it could get?

Speaker 2 (19:32):
So I was like, I should probably you know, with
the jacket.

Speaker 3 (19:35):
Oh yeah, no, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (19:36):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 11 (19:36):
I left.

Speaker 3 (19:38):
Just got there's number one of those humility exercises by you.

Speaker 1 (19:42):
I don't know, just demonstrating my dominance and being humble.

Speaker 4 (19:46):
A lot of the fanatics gear says almost gone underneath it.

Speaker 2 (19:49):
So but wait, so there is some stuff there is.

Speaker 4 (19:52):
There's a couple of the weather jerseys left, but they
all say almost going.

Speaker 8 (19:56):
There's no apparel.

Speaker 2 (19:57):
What no apparel?

Speaker 8 (19:59):
Sweat shirts?

Speaker 2 (20:00):
I don't the bomber jacket.

Speaker 9 (20:01):
All I see is T shirts. But it's not even
the Rivalry blue. They're gray, but it's still technically part
of the same line.

Speaker 2 (20:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (20:09):
That's what Ariel told us this morning, was that they
have stuff that isn't it's it's just kind of the
n E logo.

Speaker 1 (20:14):
It's not actually right. So, I mean, there, it's almost rivalry.

Speaker 2 (20:17):
I want the authentic stuff.

Speaker 4 (20:19):
What will you get.

Speaker 3 (20:25):
A lot of people ask me for one of those.

Speaker 2 (20:26):
I'm sorry, I'm sorry. We just got an email about
talking overreach.

Speaker 9 (20:30):
That's why I said the talking stick. We got a
talking stick, Well, do.

Speaker 2 (20:35):
We have to do that? I mean, I might, I
might resort to that. No, you can't hear. You literally
can't hear.

Speaker 3 (20:43):
You know what all the experts say, the experts. I
apologize sixteen times. I'm sorry. You know, I'm just talking
what fans are saying. If you want to call them experts.

Speaker 2 (20:54):
Great. Now, Paul's upset.

Speaker 3 (20:58):
Say what you were going to say in school?

Speaker 2 (21:01):
I forgot what I was going to say. Now.

Speaker 3 (21:03):
I forgot more about radio than when people leave.

Speaker 6 (21:08):
Well, I was gonna say, Fred, the shirt you're wearing
now looks kind of rivalry blueish, and and I've noticed
in the locker room and generally around the area that
I've seen more of that kind of blue around.

Speaker 1 (21:18):
So I think it's it started a little bit of.

Speaker 8 (21:20):
A recency bias.

Speaker 2 (21:21):
Maybe, Yeah, Curtis and Saint Louis says, fanatics says nothing. Nothing,
that's that's that's stinks. Come on, Michael, I wonder if
they ordered more stuff, because we're going to get it
talking to you went through the steps of trying to
get more stuff, and it was that much of a
delay between then and now.

Speaker 8 (21:37):
Ye did they just get totally blown away.

Speaker 2 (21:39):
With the they we didn't order enough.

Speaker 8 (21:42):
They're creating the hype then, well yeah, kind of a
smart business.

Speaker 2 (21:45):
This is like, you know, creating the demand exactly.

Speaker 6 (21:48):
I mean the line, I felt like we should have
been out there like that video where it's like fast
sped up motion of like, I just love all.

Speaker 9 (21:55):
The people that hated them at first, and they could
have got them right away, and now they love them
and they can't get any of it.

Speaker 8 (22:00):
It's just all injected into my veins.

Speaker 2 (22:02):
Yeah, but I I liked it from the moment I
saw it. I thought it was just soiled, distinct and
different and like it wasn't like Neon or you know,
in your face. I think it really represents New England's
yeah crumb ship. Yeah Jay and Indy says, I don't
care who we play in the playoffs. If you want
to be the best, you have to beat the best.

(22:24):
If we are one and done, then we must not
be good enough. That's how I feel.

Speaker 3 (22:29):
That's how I don't mind.

Speaker 4 (22:31):
The opponent thing is whatever, But the whole take now
that they'd be better off as a wild card team,
that one bugs me.

Speaker 2 (22:38):
Oh I haven't heard that one.

Speaker 4 (22:40):
Yeah, now, now it would be they'd be better off
losing the division and being the wild card team. I
assume thinking that they would be the five seed going
to Pittsburgh, and so that would be Pittsburgh is technically
the weakest team in the in the playoffs and so
but like to me, it's like, there's that's just totally

(23:01):
flawed logic, Like it's just a loser mentality, Like you
want to win the division, you want to host a
home playoff game. If you're the number two seed, then
you could host the home the wildcard round, the divisional round,
and if Denver loses, then the AFC Championship game. Right, So, like,
why wouldn't you want that? You want to go on
the road three straight times to try to get to
the super Bowl?

Speaker 3 (23:22):
What do you want?

Speaker 2 (23:23):
No, he's saying, if you're in to the number two seed.

Speaker 3 (23:26):
Do you want something?

Speaker 4 (23:27):
Do I want something?

Speaker 3 (23:28):
Like?

Speaker 4 (23:28):
Who do I want to play?

Speaker 3 (23:29):
Yeah? That's interesting. I agree with you everything you said.
Just why you think about these things? Yeah, I just
I'd rather the Buffalo and Denver have to play before
I have to play either one of them.

Speaker 4 (23:39):
Right, I just don't understand the whole I'd rather be
all be and it all stems from Houston, Like everybody's
so terrified of the Texans, and right now is it
currently sits two seven is Patriots Texans, And so everyone
now is saying it would be better if they were
actually a wildcard team so that they could avoid the Texans,

(23:59):
which I think is like all sorts.

Speaker 8 (24:01):
Of great defenses all year, it's short sighted.

Speaker 4 (24:09):
So you're going to lose on purpose so that you
can get Denver or get that and get lucky.

Speaker 2 (24:14):
You're eventually going to play Texans, so then you're going
to lose eventually. So I don't know, I just it
just I don't like that the narrative. I don't like
the discussion. It's to me, it's a waste of time.

Speaker 4 (24:26):
I agree with the discussion of like it's fun to
break down which teams would present the biggest challenges. I
think that's but the whole lose to get the wild
card instead of the division spot, to me is just
as now.

Speaker 2 (24:40):
I like the discussion how do we get all home games?
To me, that's a whole different thing, Like you know,
how would we as the number two seed possibly get
an AFC championship here?

Speaker 3 (24:53):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (24:53):
You know, yeah, well you know what intrigues me a
little bit.

Speaker 6 (24:55):
I might be alone on this, but like I like
historical matchups, like repeat of historical match up things that
you can connect.

Speaker 1 (25:01):
So, you know, I like to the Bills.

Speaker 6 (25:03):
That would be really exciting to me to you know,
get to see those guys a third time. And you know,
like especially imagine the AFC Championships here against the Bills,
you know, and.

Speaker 1 (25:11):
They need to go through you. Like I would be
like that where it's like, you know, and nothing to
do with the teams.

Speaker 6 (25:17):
But you know, I know they played Jacksonville and Houston
in the playoffs, but I don't know, I just it's
hard to get up, but like I would get up
for like going to Denver, like you've seen.

Speaker 2 (25:25):
Those playoffs, you know, Like let's just say the Patriots
played the Bills in the AFC Championship game. What would
be the more intense feeling beating them or losing to them?

Speaker 4 (25:39):
I think is more intense feeling losing than winning to
me as a relief.

Speaker 2 (25:46):
Be better than the despair.

Speaker 9 (25:49):
Uh you know.

Speaker 6 (25:50):
I I want to say yes, but I always just
feel like generally the losses just kind of eat away
at you, and winning, like I don't know what e said, like,
just check the box like good one, forget about it,
moving on, like it's not like I bask in the
glory of So we beat.

Speaker 8 (26:04):
Them here after everything we've been through the last couple
of years.

Speaker 6 (26:07):
No, yes, you didn't even win a super Bowl.

Speaker 2 (26:15):
Okay, this particular year. If you knock off the Bills
to go to the Super Bowl.

Speaker 8 (26:20):
That's poetic.

Speaker 2 (26:21):
That's better for me than losing to them, because who
thought we were supposed to even be there?

Speaker 4 (26:26):
Who would have thought?

Speaker 2 (26:27):
And now we're nipping at their heels, we'll get them
next to you.

Speaker 6 (26:30):
Oh, I mean that the tears would be funny because
I've been saying it along like this should be Buffalo's year.
If I'm Buffalo, I'm like looking at the lot in
the at the field saying, who can't we beat?

Speaker 1 (26:39):
You know, we got the best quarterbacks lose.

Speaker 4 (26:41):
To the Patriots in the AFC Championship game, and that's
an abject disaster for.

Speaker 2 (26:45):
Buffalo or the more reason like the elations.

Speaker 4 (26:49):
Better absolute failure Like you were you were a lap
ahead of the Patriots, and the Patriots somehow caught you
and then knocked you out of the playoffs. That would
be mcdermom wouldnt like that would be an absolute abject
disaster if that were to happen.

Speaker 6 (27:05):
Do you think it'd be the same if they went
to the Broncos and lost the Buffalo I mean, is
it super Bowl or bust this year for the McDermott regime,
or do you think they'll have some grace if they don't.

Speaker 4 (27:15):
I think it's different if you if you lose to
the Patriots, because they hate the Patriots, like it hurts.

Speaker 8 (27:21):
More, but it's still like, this is your chance, this
is your window.

Speaker 4 (27:25):
Yeah, but I think Nicks, I think it's different. I
think the Patriots being a division of rival and the
way they feel about the Patriots there in Buffalo, I
think that losing to the Patriots in the playoffs would
be that would be def con one.

Speaker 2 (27:39):
Yeah, Okay, let's make it happen, all.

Speaker 4 (27:42):
Right, them my friends in the mafia tell me.

Speaker 2 (27:46):
The Bill's mafia, Yeah, Brian writes in.

Speaker 4 (27:50):
Friends in the Mafia, Evan running around with.

Speaker 2 (27:53):
Paul is indicated in the past that he doesn't use
nicknames for the people he's covering because he feels uncomfortable
since he's not their friend. Therefore, I was hardened to
hear Paul refer to John Stryker several times last week
is stretch. I can only conclude that Paul has struck
up a friendship with Striker. I wonder if there is
a good meet cute story he can share with us.

(28:13):
I also wonder if coach Rabel ever joins them when
they're hanging out. Who knows, maybe we'll be hearing references
to Raves in the near future.

Speaker 1 (28:22):
Is funny.

Speaker 3 (28:23):
I never met him, never met Striker?

Speaker 4 (28:26):
You've never met him?

Speaker 1 (28:27):
No, I only met him briefly at the combine. I
talked him, not even hither.

Speaker 3 (28:33):
Yeah, there's another tall guy.

Speaker 8 (28:35):
He's around all the time.

Speaker 6 (28:37):
I mean, I've never been honest, I haven't seen I
wonder locker room sometimes.

Speaker 2 (28:40):
But so, but you're comfortable calling him Stretch.

Speaker 6 (28:44):
I probably just made a mistake, everybody, But that's kind
of his name.

Speaker 3 (28:49):
Yeah, No, I probably made a mistake. I do. He's right.
That email is one hundred percent right.

Speaker 4 (28:53):
I think it's a different situation.

Speaker 3 (28:55):
This isn't like when I don't know the guy, I
don't generally call him by their nicknames.

Speaker 2 (28:59):
But I don't know.

Speaker 9 (28:59):
He knew his name was Stretched before we knew what
his actual name is like, he's very widely referred to
across the entire organization here as stretch.

Speaker 3 (29:08):
Yeah. I think there was Mario Douglas.

Speaker 2 (29:10):
I called him too, and I don't you don't call
him pop.

Speaker 3 (29:13):
No, until he came in and we kind of talked,
and he said that was the because he was already
he goes. Everybody calls me pop. So I've been calling
him pop a little bit more often, but generally I
call him to Mario. It's like, don't really.

Speaker 2 (29:27):
Talking about talking about pop.

Speaker 4 (29:29):
Now we know him all that well, play pop more.

Speaker 2 (29:35):
When we used to have the paper, I heard that,
thank you. When we used to have the paper, I
banned the writers from calling Parcels the big tuna or
Tuna smart.

Speaker 3 (29:43):
That's because he didn't like him.

Speaker 2 (29:45):
No, that's that's absolutely not true.

Speaker 1 (29:50):
But but he doesn't like it, doesn't Well.

Speaker 2 (29:52):
No one calls him that to his face, you know,
So I didn't think that we should in the paper smart.

Speaker 4 (29:59):
That's fair. I wouldn't call like Vrabes in an article.
I wouldn't write it that way.

Speaker 3 (30:04):
It's just on professional people are asking questions of the players,
like we heard Rapes say earlier, that kind.

Speaker 8 (30:09):
Of yeah, if you're not a player, I don't think
you should say rabes, rapes.

Speaker 2 (30:17):
Let's see, uh, Klaus Herbert from Austria writes and first
time writer Justin and Patriots fan. Since the terrible loss
of Super Bowl what is that forty two? Yeah? Yeah.
In the beginning of the season, Evan especially was leaning
towards hiring Ben Johnson rather than Vrabel as a head coach.

(30:38):
What's your opinion today close to the end of the preseason, Uh,
I think he made regular seats. Would some of you
think that Johnson might have been a better fit for
the Patriots than Vrabel?

Speaker 4 (30:52):
They've both done great, so it's kind of hard to say, honestly.
I mean, I I think I underestimated how uh much
of a football mind Mike Rabel was until I covered
him and you got to be around it a little
bit closer. Even going back to uh his introductory press conference,
when he came in here and was talking, you know,

(31:14):
a little ball with us and stuff like that. I
didn't realize that he had that type of acumen. I
thought he was more of like a raw rock coach,
you know, a guy that was going to come in
and set the culture and get the troops all rallied up.
But I think he's a brilliant football mind and probably
underrated that a little bit with the Ben Johnson things.

(31:35):
So I think they kind of got They obviously got
the right guy, but I think that they you know,
I think, yeah, but Ben Johnson's really been a really
good coach for Chicago.

Speaker 3 (31:46):
Also, Now, what's.

Speaker 8 (31:47):
Their culture been like there?

Speaker 9 (31:48):
Like, has it been as drastic he had such a
drastic turnaround here?

Speaker 4 (31:52):
Yeah, it's a good question. I mean, they're they're his
chops are obviously with designing offense and nex'es and o's
and I I don't know what their culture is, you know,
I'm not there, but I think that it's It's hard
to say because they've both done really, really well.

Speaker 2 (32:07):
I think I think that if everything was reversed, if
Rabel went to Chicago and Ben Johnson came here, Rabel
would have to bring a strong offensive coordinator with him,
because you've got that young quarterback that you're gonna have,
and I don't know if that's the type of coach
Rabel is. And if Ben Johnson came here, you wouldn't
need such a strong offensive coordinator, but maybe you'd need

(32:28):
a stronger defensive coordinator.

Speaker 4 (32:30):
Yeah, yeah, And I think that that's really you know
why McDaniels has just been such a key hire for Rabel's, right.
You know, they kind of had the best of both worlds.
They got a type pans guy and they got you know,
the head coach that can lead the troops. And you know,
I think that that's that's really good. But like I said,
I I think I didn't you know, I didn't cover

(32:52):
him when he was with the Titans, so I didn't
really know, you know, that in depth of what kind
of football mind he is. But like even I think,
you know, maybe not necessarily like offense scheming like Ben Johnson,
but like technique things like you know, stances and getting
off the ball and you know, different sort of things

(33:13):
like that that he is out there in practice and
we you know, watched a little bit of practice that
we get to watch it for Abel's like out there
like in a pass set, like showing guys stuff, and
he's out on the special teams field showing them things
and you know, he did it, he lived it. So
I think that that element of him is much much
better than I thought, much more like Belichickian than I realized.

Speaker 6 (33:35):
It's a nice It's in a good package too, Like
I find when he shares football knowledge, never it's never overbearing.
It doesn't he never gets into the weeds. I think
he just does enough to, you know, subtly show you
how much he knows.

Speaker 1 (33:46):
Like that.

Speaker 6 (33:46):
I've been surprised by it too, where he's able to
talk about a lot of different positions with you know,
with intelligence and experience.

Speaker 1 (33:52):
So I mean, I don't know. I love Mike Frabel,
I wouldn't pick any other coach right now. But but
Ben Johnson's done a great job.

Speaker 6 (33:59):
There is still part of me that wonders, like, is
this always going to mesh well with him and Caleb
Williams because they're just they're both unique dudes. I mean,
you know, they both seem a little bit quirky. But
big game for them this weekend against Green Bay and
no chance for them to really cement their arrival.

Speaker 2 (34:14):
Zach writes in with all the talk about how easy
our schedule is, I know it's making me a bit jaded.
I actually want to face the hardest possible lineup in
the playoffs to silence all the haters. Houston and the
wildcard rematch against Buffalo in the divisional round, Broncos in
the AFC Championship game. Lastly a win over the Rams
of the Super Bowl to get our seventh ring. The

(34:35):
media and fans with this loser mentality needs to stop.

Speaker 1 (34:39):
I like it. That's quite a path though, man, I mean,
you beat those three teams.

Speaker 6 (34:42):
That's carnage, that's I mean, that's not quite the same
as when the early dynasty. But when you're beating MVP,
you're beating an MVP in the divisional round, then you
got to beat another MVP in the conference championship round.
You know, back in those days when it was when
it was really hard. Those are memorable games too that
you know, the ones against like Houston and Jacksonville kind
of faded memory.

Speaker 4 (35:01):
You know, it doesn't matter. Just like Paul Shows will
tell you that the twenty twenty four Celtics had an
easy path and that somehow puts an asterisk on the title.
I did not celebrate that any lesson I would have
any other championship. Like if they win a Super Bowl,
you're not going to care who was in the way.
You're gonna celebrated like they want a title no matter what.

Speaker 3 (35:23):
Now it only matter if they don't win. Sure, I mean,
if they win, who no one cares who they beat.
But if they don't win, you'd say, she's if only
you know, Like like when I was in New Orleans
in ninety six watching the Super Bowl the first time
I went, I never once thought she's we're here, But
she's pretty lucky that Jacksonville beat Denver for it, right right?

Speaker 12 (35:46):
You know?

Speaker 2 (35:47):
Yeah, I mean, if you're the last two standing, you're
the last two standing.

Speaker 3 (35:51):
But if they lost to Denver, that would be like, jeez,
it's too bad. Jacksonville had them on the ropes last
week too. We would have beaten Jacksonville, just like when
the Patriots Indy and six. I know they would have
beaten Chicago in the Super Bowl, but they didn't get there. Right, yeah, right,
it's too bad?

Speaker 2 (36:07):
All right? Eight five five patch five hundred is the
hot line. Let's see what people have to say. Who
are calling, will go to herm in DC. What's up herm? Hey?

Speaker 5 (36:17):
How's it going? Fellows and ladies? Of course?

Speaker 1 (36:19):
Hey?

Speaker 2 (36:20):
Doing?

Speaker 5 (36:21):
Okay, A quick question. I feel like there's been a
little bit of criticism surrounding Christian Zalees, and I wanted
to find out for you guys what exactly the issue is,
because I just looked it up. I think he played
six hundred and thirty seven snaps this year, and I
think he only gave it one score, so and I

(36:43):
believe it was maybe be palled. Yes, they cart me
if I'm wrong, that, matter of fact, might have been
on the day they lost to the Bills, had a
little bit of a criticism for Christian that his guy was,
I guess uncovered a lot that game. Yeah, so I
guess over My question is one, what's critiqueous around in
Christian Gonzalas And then the second question after you guys

(37:05):
was I'm not sure Obviously you guys as much guilty
of it, to be honest with you, So it's not
really directed towards you guys. But why the how can
I put this? The I guess thirst to separate, not
separate might be strong, but to create some kind of

(37:27):
division between coach McDaniels or coach Brabel, right, because I
think we have to be careful when we do that,
because Eric the enemy left Kansas City and look how
Patrick Mahomes is looking right now, and then.

Speaker 3 (37:40):
Kelly warr the Eagles.

Speaker 5 (37:45):
And look how killing Hurt is looking right now, right,
no questions.

Speaker 2 (37:50):
I get your bigger point is, you know you don't
want h Drake May to get into that OC cell
that happens to a lot of teams. You want some
continuity there, you know. So, But the whole thing is
the premise is their division between Mike Rabel and Josh McDaniels.

(38:13):
That that's what people are trying to drum up. But
I don't think it's true.

Speaker 1 (38:18):
I mean, yeah, I don't I don't know. I don't know.

Speaker 6 (38:20):
All I look at this is the proof and the pudding,
and I mean I think it would look. I think
they've done a good job though, building that staff and
you know, not just Thomas Brown and Ashton Grant, like
you know, two guys behind Josh that it feels like
they're trying to build back to what Bill had here
when you did lose guys that you have people you
know built in.

Speaker 1 (38:39):
But I just I don't know where Josh is gonna go.
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (38:42):
It would be a really if there was division and
Mike Rebel didn't like him and wasn't happy with the
performance this year, it would take some major cajones to
fire a guy. That's basically put Drake May into the
MVP conversation. But hey, people love the soap opera and
that's part of following football.

Speaker 2 (38:57):
Oh my god.

Speaker 4 (38:58):
Yeah, there's definitely the soap operating to the Gonzales thing,
because I feel like that was directed towards me because
I've been kind of critical.

Speaker 1 (39:05):
I think a little bit.

Speaker 4 (39:06):
I think that where it stems from with Gonzales is
that I think he's a phenomenal player. And I've been
a Christian Gonzalez guy since the beginning. Uh Douce and
I had him a number one on our big boards
when they drafted him that year. Both of us did.
So I know that he's what he's capable the level
he is capable of playing at, which what I think

(39:27):
we saw last year was, you know, pretty close to
that ceiling. And I just don't think he's been quite
as good this season. Now, he didn't have a training camp,
he's had this hamstring thing, Like is it lingering? Is
that all sort of at play here? Absolutely could be
the case. But I would also say that I think
the great great corners make plays on the ball. They

(39:50):
don't just run with one guy and take the guy
out of the game. They're also turning the ball over,
they're making big plays on third down. You know, they're
making plays, are impactful plays in the game. It's great
that he can cover any receiver in football and he
can stick with that guy in man to man for
four quarters. That's a really valuable thing to have. But

(40:10):
I think to get to that next level, you'd like
to see him make some more plays on the football.

Speaker 6 (40:14):
Yeah, like he did in the first Buffalo game, which
you know is an example of earlier in the season
when he did do that. But I don't think we've
seen it lately, and it hasn't been a murderer's row
of receivers that he's.

Speaker 1 (40:23):
Been going up against.

Speaker 6 (40:24):
And you know, I tie it to what Vrabel said
in these games, you need your best players to play
the best and he wasn't called on a lot, but
watch sitting in the press box. You know, we had
a little different view of it, and you can see
when guys are running away from him and getting open
and then you know, dropping passes or the pass was
too late and he bobbled it out of bound. So
you know, there were a few instances of that where
you know your your best player isn't isn't making plays,

(40:46):
and isn't doing anything to turn the momentum around.

Speaker 2 (40:48):
Yeah, okay, we have an update about rivalry stuff. Oh
Josh and Turner Falls says that Dix has some stuff online.
Going to get a jacket as I already have a
jersey incoming, nice, so get online to Dick's Sporting Goods
and maybe he can get some stuff there.

Speaker 6 (41:07):
I'd like to see the numbers for Drake jerseys that
they've sold to that thing, because I've seen everywhere and
he's number one in Pro Bowl voting, Like.

Speaker 1 (41:16):
I imagine that those have sold like hotcakes.

Speaker 2 (41:19):
Let's go to Alex in San Diego. What's up, Alex?

Speaker 13 (41:24):
Hey, guys, what's up?

Speaker 11 (41:25):
Happy holidays?

Speaker 3 (41:26):
Do you all?

Speaker 2 (41:26):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (41:27):
Thanks?

Speaker 1 (41:28):
Alex Hey.

Speaker 13 (41:30):
I just kind of my friend brings this up to
me the other day and I was like, I didn't
even realize he was a free agent. I know we
are super thin, but thoughts on a potential Matthew Jude
on reunion. I love what he did for us. The
guy was a beast, but I know he hasn't been
the same players since leaving, and I just feel like
this would kind of be like a James Harrison type
of signing in like twenty seventeen. But yeah, just your

(41:52):
guys thoughts on that.

Speaker 6 (41:53):
Yeah, I think he's Yeah, I don't think he's quite
the player he was. I just don't know if he's
like better than Anthony Jennings right now? Is what you
would need for him? If you could tell me that
he could come on and be a third down pass
rusher and have some juice off of the edge, I
would be interested.

Speaker 1 (42:06):
I don't know if it's that player anymore.

Speaker 2 (42:08):
Is it true that he was literally the lowest ranked
edge rusher in the league.

Speaker 4 (42:13):
Yeah, he has seven total quarterback pressures on the season,
and he's been playing a decent amount for the Dolphins.
It I just I don't really understand, Like I get
it's a recognizable name, but you also have to remember
on top of the fact that Judan is probably two
years removed from being what he was, Like it's a

(42:33):
totally different regime and defense like this is you know,
this isn't like Bill's still here and this is one
of the guys that he had a connection with and
is bringing back. So I just don't really from all angles, Like,
I don't really see like what Vrables tied to Judon
would be. You know what, Judon's production has been really
the last two seasons, And like Elliot, Wolf deserves some

(42:54):
credit for getting a third round pick for him, because yeah,
because the guy's completely fallen off a cliff since the
Patriots traded up.

Speaker 2 (43:02):
Before the game.

Speaker 4 (43:03):
He was a great player for the pando but yeah,
it just it's he He hasn't been that guy in
a long time.

Speaker 3 (43:09):
And he wasn't that guy with the Patriots when he
left either. Yeah, that's why I think that trade was
as remarkable as it was. They got a third round
pick for a guy who was clearly on the decline.

Speaker 2 (43:20):
Yep, Christian in La. What's up, Christian?

Speaker 14 (43:25):
Hey you guys. Happy Happy Thursday and happy holiday season
to you guys. I'm a little worried. To be honest
with you, guys, I'm a little worried because there's some
things that this team needs to prove. This team needs
to prove that they have the mental toughness to bounce
back from an absolute collapse of a loss.

Speaker 13 (43:45):
This team needs to.

Speaker 14 (43:46):
Prove that Drake May can play in the cold. This
team needs to prove that Drake May can play clutch
ball when it's needed this team, and McDaniel needs to
prove that he can call a successful second half. Six
touchdowns six four sorry, four touchdowns, only four touchdowns in

(44:07):
the last six weeks. That seems to me like a
paper lion. That seems to me like the like a
team that made the playoffs a playoff.

Speaker 2 (44:17):
So question, let me ask you a question.

Speaker 14 (44:20):
Hold on, Hold on a second. Brabel needs to he
can stop his ex best player, Derek Henry this weekend.
Brabel needs to so that he can call a complete
defensive game for once this season. And if we can't
do those things, god, I guarantee you, we're gonna limp
into the playoffs. I hopefully hopefully beating two teams that

(44:41):
would love to play spoiler before the playoffs, and I'll
against the player, you know, against the Patriots. And if
we can't do all that stuff, he's gonna go into
the playoffs and we're gonna get bounced in the first
round and then we're gonna get a high draft pick
could be made it into the playoffs, and then next
year we're gonna have that same regressive year Washington had

(45:01):
because they could not significantly improve about the draft.

Speaker 2 (45:04):
All Right, we're getting ahead of a little ahead of
ourselves here, christ all right, so I agree if they
can't do all that stuff. But if the Patriots lose
this game, tight game, like by a point of two
or three points, how do you feel.

Speaker 14 (45:23):
If they prove those things. I didn't say they had
to win. I said they had to prove something.

Speaker 11 (45:27):
Right, Okay, lose the tight game, and that means.

Speaker 14 (45:30):
The mental toughness was there to come back from the collapse.

Speaker 2 (45:32):
Okay, at.

Speaker 6 (45:34):
But what if they I mean, so if they do
it in this game, they've proved it and that's it.

Speaker 1 (45:38):
That's the truth.

Speaker 6 (45:39):
Now, if Drake may has one comeback, I just I
think you're asking for perfection right now, Christian, this isn't
a talented team to play that perfect.

Speaker 14 (45:45):
I don't think it's not a one game thing. It's
how we play. Again, we don't have to win. But
if Drake may prove he can play in the cold
by having a good game in the cold, yeah, I
think he might be to be able to have good
games from now on in the cold. You know, if
if Josh McDaniels can somehow finally put together a second
half where we score a touchdown maybe or field or

(46:08):
take the ball for more than like two minutes. Yeah,
I'd be satisfied that we proved that he can do that.
If Brable can call a good defensive game whole game, yes,
I would be happy. We don't have to win, we
have to prove some things.

Speaker 3 (46:20):
That makes sense.

Speaker 2 (46:21):
So it's all gonna come to realization in this game.

Speaker 14 (46:26):
I guarantee you guys, if this doesn't happen next week,
this team will be demoralized and will probably lose a
game because we tend to play down the team. You
guys know that, especially Miami. We tend to really play
down against Miami, and they would.

Speaker 2 (46:40):
Love to play against a lot of people we played
up this year. But now, okay, all right, thanks Christian.
He's impassioned, he's very I don't know if he's trolling us,
but you know, no, it's reaction.

Speaker 4 (46:55):
I feel like this, uh, for some people, them landing
ten games in was like a really bad thing because
I feel like the expectations for this season got really
really high because they of how many games they won
in a row, and like now all of a sudden,
like if they do what Christian's doom in gloom scenario.

(47:17):
Now the whole regime is up in smoke because they
they didn't end this particular season being the first one
under Mike Rabel with a super Bowl like you know,
and so like now all of a sudden, it's an
abject failure, where like this was undoubtedly a success. If
they win the division this year, Yeah, there's there's no

(47:38):
like whether they win in the playoffs or not.

Speaker 2 (47:40):
Right anymore, there is one thing that stuck out that
Christians said, if Mike Rabel can stop Derrick Henry, Like,
I know it's cliche to say, well, Mike Rabel isn't
out there, but what if Mike Rabel doesn't have the
horses to stop Derrick Henry? You know, like, are you
gonna blame that on Mike Rabel? I know, you know,

(48:01):
I think we have to be a little bit realistic.
I have we should have hopes out you know, to
the moon, like I hope we win the super Bowl,
but we have to be a little bit realistic. We
are ahead of schedule here.

Speaker 6 (48:15):
Yeah, I mean, I'm gonna I'll say it now because
Paul loves you know, you tell everybody if I tell
you all week that the Ravens stink and then the
Patriots win. Well, the Ravens stung you. But so I
believe in the Ravens. I think they're you know, a
very good team. And if the Patriots win this game,
I mean spoiler, I'm probably gonna pick the Ravens. It
would prove a lot to me, to the Patriots to
be I think there's a really tough spot for them
to turn it around to get up for Sunday night

(48:38):
football on the road national audience.

Speaker 1 (48:40):
You just lost. It's asking a lot. And like one
more point I'll make.

Speaker 6 (48:44):
Is I think they've shown twice this season that they
can bounce back a little bit from a loss. I mean,
you know, they did bounce back and go down to
Miami and you know, beat to it for the first
time down there, and you know, I know Carolina wasn't
exactly a Jugger or not, but they came home and
they held serve and that helped them go into the
Buffalo game.

Speaker 1 (48:58):
So there's just a lot that he's asking for in
this game. It seems like it's impossible to deliver, you.

Speaker 2 (49:03):
Know, And I kind of forgot about it, as bad
as Miami might have been at that time when we
beat them. We had never done that with Tua before,
you know, like we couldn't beat Tua.

Speaker 4 (49:14):
And any team or in Miami, right, and we did
and however.

Speaker 2 (49:19):
It transpired, you know, however it came about. We we
ended up coming out with the w SO.

Speaker 3 (49:25):
And just to like illustrate how things have somehow changed
that now is now deemed to have been playing down
to a team, right, Like, I don't know what other
other people thought, Like what are the games that they
played down to? Because I think that any time that
there was a close game with these bad teams, which

(49:45):
there's been a handful, like the Saints, Oh, the Saints,
the Falcons, the Bengals, there's love the Dolphins that they played,
you know, played down to the Raiders, the lost right,
Like it's not playing down like you didn't you went
into the season thinking that they can make some progress

(50:06):
and have a chance to they should be able to
be to be able to take advantage of bad football
and win some of these games. Now when they only
beat one of these teams by a one score, it's
playing down to them, Like the roster hasn't changed, Like
you have the same amount of talent that you had
coming into the season probably less. So I just I

(50:27):
agree with Fred's premise, Like what, I get that your
expectations are rising. They should. They've won eleven games. I
feel better about the team today than I did before
the season started for obvious reasons. But that doesn't mean
they magically are better than everybody. They're playing better than
most of these teams, and that's how they were able

(50:48):
to beat Atlanta in New Orleans and Cincinnati and Miami
and these games that could have gone either way. They
played better than the other team when it mattered most.
I'm not gonna give up on the season if they
lose to the Ravens. Let me know which Ravens team
shows up. If the Ravens team shows up that that
played Pittsburgh two weeks ago, the Patriots are gonna win

(51:10):
because that team was disinterested and sloppy. They turned the
ball over five times the week before that in a
home game on Thanksgiving Night against Cincinnati. Patriots are gonna
beat that team. That's the team they've beaten all year,
the team that they make the mistakes, and the Patriots
are there to take advantage of the mistakes. If Baltimore
wants to play to its capability, the Patriots can play

(51:31):
a good game and lose because Baltimore has talent. To
Mike's point about this is going to be an impressive win,
let me know which Baltimore team shows up, because the
Patriots team that shows up, they're pretty much the same
team shows up every week. It's pretty good. It ain't great,
it's flawed, but they're pretty good consistently every week.

Speaker 4 (51:49):
The other thing that's starting to irk me and I
did some research on this this morning, the whole fourth
quarter comeback thing, Like now, all of a sudden, that
is like what makes a good quarterback is you have
and it's such a like arbitrary, like you have to
be trailing in the fourth quarter and like you have
it has to be like you did it. Like so
like he doesn't get credit for Antonio Gibson's kickoff return

(52:12):
touchdown against Miami because because that is that's you know,
in the other direction, right, like that's a not a
Drake May touchdown drive, so it doesn't count. And then
like you know, last year he puts them up on
the Colts in that game against Anthony Richardson, he did
drive them down the field to score and take the lead,
and the defense, gave it right back and they win

(52:34):
the game on the two point conversion, So he doesn't
get credit for that, even though he put them in
the position to win the football game. Then down in Tennessee,
he makes one of the plays of the year to
get them into overtime, and yeah, he threw the pick
in overtime that lost him the game. But like he
doesn't you know, like there's all this like context of
all these like situations.

Speaker 3 (52:53):
My bigger thing for that whole narrative is that, you know,
give me the give me the dozen examples that he failed. Oh,
you can't because they weren't any Oh, I got it,
Like Sunday, they had a chance to do it. He
didn't do it. Okay, so that's it. He can't do it.
And Evan's right, that's kind of the narrative that's bubbling
under the service. Yeah, he hasn't had a lot of

(53:14):
chances to do it.

Speaker 4 (53:15):
Right, So I actually did this because I'm a nerd
and this is what I do. But I broke it
up between like when did he have an opportunity in
the fourth quarter in a one score game to take
the lead or win the football game versus like last year,
you know, he's down to the Texans by two touchdowns
in the fourth quarter. Well, he didn't make a fourth
quarter comeback, you know, or even take any last year

(53:39):
as twenty three to three in the fourth quarter. Was
he supposed to come back for that?

Speaker 3 (53:42):
Just going by this year, they've had the lead in
the fourth quarter of all these games. It's not like,
I mean, it's not his fault that he hasn't had
to come from behind. A matter of fact, it's to
his credit that he's had the position, that the team
in position to have the lead in the fourth quarter.

Speaker 4 (53:56):
That's sort of the point I'm making is like it's
like we're talking about like three game games where like
you could have this argument that he didn't come through
in the clutch and that's supposed to dowt define him that, you.

Speaker 1 (54:07):
Know, like, well it's a Christmas point. He does it
once and now he's proven he done it, and now
it's just.

Speaker 3 (54:11):
That's I'm not going to feel any differently if they
do it. But let's say that they have the same
situation that they had against Buffalo and Baltimore down four
three minutes left and he doesn't do it, and then
they go to the playoff, same thing happens. Well, now
I might look at it and say, there's something missing there,
like give me a you know, give me a handful

(54:31):
of examples where he had a chance and didn't do it,
Like right now, to my mind's he's had one. Yeah, Sunday,
And by the way, it couldn't have come at a
worse time, in the midst of an epic collapsed by
the team. You know, momentum was huge at that time.

Speaker 4 (54:48):
Yeah, and he doesn't get you know, the Week five game,
it was tied, So now that's not a fourth quarter comeback,
it's just a game winning drives. And now now that
you know, now.

Speaker 3 (54:56):
He gets he's gotten plenty of points. He shot plenty
of points that one.

Speaker 4 (55:00):
But but I just feel like we're just it's just a
very arbitrary like thing that just like sometimes lacks a
large sample size, would be like a lot of context,
like of like what was going on in the game.

Speaker 6 (55:13):
Not entirely the same thing, but how do you feel
about that? It's like the narrative of Lamar can't win
the big one. You know, Lamar can't get the super
you know, it's it's different, but how similar lineful.

Speaker 3 (55:21):
In nineteen when people started talking like that, I pushed back.
I don't push back anymore. Hasn't been in a Super Bowl, right,
and is the reason I do push back a little
with Josh Allen because he plays out of his mind
and this team finds a way to loose. Yeah, Like
that's not the same like last year. Everybody's like, well,

(55:41):
you know Mark Andrews dropped the two point conversion, Well
maybe if Lamar did turn it over three times, they
wouldn't needed the two point conversion to tie it. And
I love Lamar Jackson. I think he's a tremendous player,
but facts are facts. He hasn't been as good in
the postseason as he is in the regular season. Josh
Allen is he is. He plays just he's seven and
six or something like that in his postseason games, but

(56:03):
look at his numbers, Well, he's better in the postseason.

Speaker 2 (56:05):
The thing with Drake is people want to right now
decide whether or not he's truly an elite quarterback, one
of the greats. Yeah, and they want the evidence, and
you're not gonna get it this early in his career.
You just don't know. I mean, as great as Tom
Brady was.

Speaker 3 (56:24):
And people who were trying to go up the side
do it.

Speaker 2 (56:26):
You know, as great as great as Tom Brady was
early in his career, there were some people that said, oh,
they extended him too early. Yeah, you know, we don't
know yet.

Speaker 6 (56:34):
Well, it is the unfair, ultimate unfair comparison to compare
him to Brady, who had an innate sense, could kind
of do it from the get go, and that was
his superpower.

Speaker 1 (56:44):
That's what to me made him the greatest of all
time was when.

Speaker 6 (56:47):
The game was on the line, you knew that there
was nobody better and you were gonna have to bury
him twenty and.

Speaker 3 (56:50):
His second start at home, his second career start at home,
he had an opportunity to do that, do you know
what I mean? Like, sometimes guys just have more chances
and whatever happens. And I'm not suggesting that May is
going to be better than Brady in crunch time, because
that would have to be significant, you know, to be
like those guys.

Speaker 6 (57:09):
You know what's kind of funny, Like similar comparison is
Vinitari and Gostowski, where like Kestowski was never really put
in the position to kick the you know, he can't
kicked the game winner.

Speaker 1 (57:17):
Well, he didn't have to kick.

Speaker 3 (57:18):
It's a good example how he was was. But yes,
that was very, very similar. The first couple of years
of Gostowski's career, he didn't have those opportunities.

Speaker 6 (57:28):
Yeah, and I think those six Chargers game, I was that.
I remember that one he nailed was good, wasn't you know?
They still had a chance. But same thing. You're spoiled
by venitary and his clutch ability to make kicks in
the snow, and you know, clock expires and we win
because House he wasn't really put in that position.

Speaker 2 (57:43):
Earlier, Travis in West Virginia about Christian in LA, he said,
he's not trolling you. Stop. You've been brainwashed by boring,
uninteresting callers who regurgitate the same old talking points, so
you're unable to recognize the brilliance of someone with an
original and entertaining point of view. Wow, Chris says, shut

(58:03):
down the team, shut down, PU shut down everything. Our
draft pick is too late in the first round to recover.
I announced my fan hood. Mister Kraft, please submit the
paperwork needed to have the Patriots removed from the NFL.
We are only eleven and four. We obviously can't enjoy
this at all and need the freedom from the pain
of the season I want.

Speaker 6 (58:21):
Actually, I'm pissed having off because I wanted to ask him.
I was looking at Cincinnati right now. I think they're
like four four and eleven, four and twelve something like that,
and like, to me, they're such on that cusp.

Speaker 1 (58:30):
But like you're not going anywhere, Like wouldn't.

Speaker 6 (58:32):
You like to get like into the top five, Like
I don't know, maybe put Buro out and you know,
like sit Jamar Chase out of it. I just thought
of him when I saw them in the standings, Like
what do they They're going to try to win this
weekend and like try to get.

Speaker 2 (58:43):
Another elite weapon. Dana Virginia in Michigan. Paul isn't getting
enough recognition for shutting down Christian in LA and the
pregame show this past week. And he definitely needs more
flowers or maybe a new car. So no, listen, Christian again,
you brought it, got us talking, get people talking. That's great.

Speaker 1 (59:03):
I don't have to agree with him.

Speaker 2 (59:05):
But James Pettigrew, the most interesting Patriots fan of the world,
says to me, the window was open when we win
our for a super Bowl. We have dynasty windows here
in New England, not AFC championship windows like the Bills. Well, listen,
I think we have to reset though. I mean, you know,
I think it's it's almost disrespectful to expect us to

(59:27):
do what the dynasty did. Like if we get to
the AC Championship this year and we lost it, I'd
be very very excited about next year. Oh boy, like,
let's go, let's go.

Speaker 6 (59:39):
Yeah, I would, I mean, I would just continue my
caveat of you've got to continue to really improve, and
you know now teams are going to be gunning for you.

Speaker 1 (59:47):
And I don't want to overreact to the Bills game,
but there are.

Speaker 6 (59:51):
Some places in that game where I said, you know
this guy that I felt okay with maybe during the
wind streak, you're starting to see that when you get
into crunch time, you're gonna need some more talent in
some more key spots.

Speaker 1 (01:00:02):
And it's not their fault, Like this is the start
of the process.

Speaker 6 (01:00:05):
I think they did great in free agency in the
draft last year, but next year they might have to
be better with less resources and maybe a little bit
more targeted. And to the point of that last email
or you're probably going to be picking low, so you're
not for the first time since what like drafted you
know Mac Jones, I guess would be the first one.
Like you're not going to have a top half of
the first round pick this year probably, and you're gonna

(01:00:26):
have to make the.

Speaker 2 (01:00:27):
Best of it. Let's go to Kevin in Nashville. What's up, Kevin? Hey?

Speaker 12 (01:00:32):
Can you hear me?

Speaker 2 (01:00:33):
Yep?

Speaker 12 (01:00:35):
I am honored to follow a crash out from Christian
in LA for my first call, so thank you for
taking it nice perfect. I got two questions, if that's
all right?

Speaker 2 (01:00:45):
Okay?

Speaker 12 (01:00:47):
Wanted to ask this one a catch twenty two wasn't
able to call in yesterday. Regarding the Ravens defense, specifically,
how good Kyle Hamilton is kind of as a big
nickel for disguising the defenses. Given kind of the adjustment
struggles we saw from the offense last week in the
second half, are we concerned at all maybe medium cy

(01:01:09):
about Drake and kind of the offense as a whole,
their ability to I guess adjust to the fluidity of
Baltimore's disguised defense, And if so, what do we think
is the best approach for countering that you know, more
window dressing for our emotions to hopefully trick them, or
maybe take a progression approach to take some of that

(01:01:29):
pre snap reading pressure off of Drake. And the second
question is I couldn't recall if the pre and postgame
shows we're active for the twenty one loss in Buffalo.
If we end up having to go on the road
for the playoffs, which seems more and more likely as
we get closer to the end, are Paul, dust and
Quantie going to travel with the team and do the shows?
And even more importantly, how much diet pepsi is it

(01:01:51):
going to take aull adjustice.

Speaker 2 (01:01:54):
Well normal here? Yeah, yeah, yeah, we'll stop the shows
we'll do now if we go to the super Bowl,
it's all hands on deck. Yeah yeah, we'll do That's.

Speaker 1 (01:02:03):
Different usually live we do pre postgame super Bowl. Where
does that work?

Speaker 3 (01:02:08):
So it's something that we're gonna have to talk about
because we've never really we've never done a pre and
post game I've never done it normal.

Speaker 8 (01:02:15):
Super Bowl in Germany, we flew back and we did
it from here. Oh yeah, I forgot. You were in
there for the game.

Speaker 3 (01:02:21):
Seven thirty, which I mean that could be in play too.
I don't know, but we've never been able to.

Speaker 1 (01:02:27):
Really, you're really hammering this deuce is never going to
super Bowl thing?

Speaker 3 (01:02:30):
No, you'll, you'll, you'll get the super Bowl experience. Well,
like Fred said, it's all hands on deck, every will.

Speaker 2 (01:02:36):
It was so tough because it's just to get into
the press spots and like now you've got to find
a space to broadcast from.

Speaker 3 (01:02:43):
Yeah, and you need to be there hours.

Speaker 2 (01:02:45):
Yeah, so it's tough. And plus super Bowl has a
lot of pregame stuff going on on TV. You're you're
coming up against that. It's it's okay. I've never had
any complaints said, oh, you didn't have a pregame show
in the super Bowl. Never heard one complaint about that. Interesting, Yeah,
you made me do.

Speaker 1 (01:03:02):
It, like the day before the morning show.

Speaker 3 (01:03:08):
She'll do one, you know, maybe we'll do an extra
one on Friday. Yeah, week I think we've even done.
We did Saturday one week and we didn't like, we're
still mad at you for that. And Fred apologized about
ten minutes into the show.

Speaker 2 (01:03:18):
Yeah, as you get.

Speaker 8 (01:03:20):
Close, how are the ratings on the Saturday?

Speaker 2 (01:03:21):
It wasn't good, But you try it.

Speaker 3 (01:03:25):
You try this on.

Speaker 2 (01:03:26):
As you get closer to the suit, like people are
like not focusing on you. There's so much going on much.

Speaker 3 (01:03:32):
Yeah, I don't worry nobody's listening anything.

Speaker 1 (01:03:36):
I'll do my best.

Speaker 6 (01:03:37):
I'll do my best to jump into Kevin's scheme question.
Because Evan and I talked a little bit on the
on the pregame and the preview that we taped earlier.

Speaker 1 (01:03:44):
I think it is interesting.

Speaker 6 (01:03:45):
I mean, you know, by the numbers, the Ravens are
a man coverage, single high kind of team.

Speaker 1 (01:03:50):
But you know, I think Paul said they.

Speaker 6 (01:03:52):
Got Gilman in, they drafted starts, so they have those
two high safeties now so they can put Hamilton in
the box, and I think that was a big part
of where their defense started to really get better. I
would just say generally, if the if the Ravens try
to play a lot of cover two like the Bills
did in the second half, the Patriots have to figure
out a way to run the ball. They got to
run on the light box and get them out of

(01:04:13):
the cover two. But I think it's a smart play because,
as Evin pointed out, Drake's superpowers pushing the ball down
the field and making those plays. Wish Evan was here
He talked to Kaishaan Budi yesterday about the you know,
the coverage in the second half, and he was kind of,
you know, lamenting that it, that it really hurt their
deep passing games.

Speaker 1 (01:04:29):
So I think they'll see more of it, even.

Speaker 6 (01:04:31):
Though the Ravens tend to play a little bit more
up high, but they have the personnel to do it.
And you know, Kyle Hamilton going against Hunter Henry, that's
that's a good matchup for them. And I'd say the
same thing about Humphrey and Digs in the slot. You
know that those two guys can can stick, so they're
gonna have to find other ways.

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Short answer for me is, yeah, I'm worried about the
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Speaker 6 (01:07:05):
Well, Will watching him living here today's.

Speaker 10 (01:07:12):
Yeah, coach, It's it's awesome seeing him around. Anytime he's around,
it's it brings join to us. It brings Jorida the
locker room and brings Jorda. See his face, see how
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A couple of times throughout the year, and it's been
it's been cool to see I.

Speaker 1 (01:07:36):
Know he's obviously works with the defense. Uh and is
here what he cannedy, But do you guys have.

Speaker 5 (01:07:42):
Any kind of personal connection or something you talked about
it with anything specific in your relationship.

Speaker 3 (01:07:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:07:47):
I got to know his son well.

Speaker 10 (01:07:48):
He was around training camp a lot, so I know
he's a big hockey player. And uh, it's been cool
to for coach t just to some on the different
side of the ball top to be able.

Speaker 3 (01:07:56):
To relate with in life.

Speaker 10 (01:07:57):
And he kind of we kind of told our stories
kind of they get to know each other early on
in the year, and you know, he had a great
story and coming from his background, and I think he
relates their player as well. Everybody from I've talked to
from was in Detroit and uh, Tennessee. Everybody loves him
and he's easy to care about and and uh, I
think he'd be awesome to have a round more. But

(01:08:19):
obviously he's dealing with with things that are I said,
bigger than football and just looking forward to having back
whenever that is. And I think he's like just brings
joy to the locker room.

Speaker 6 (01:08:29):
We were talking about the National Football League you're not
going to win every game.

Speaker 4 (01:08:32):
What's your just general thought on a bouncing back at
you know, facing the adversity and how you go.

Speaker 10 (01:08:38):
About doing Yeah, I'll see the stings, you know, things
when you don't come up on the winning side. But well,
I try to learn in this league is it's onto
the next week. You know, the next week's you know,
just as important as the last week and the week
before that, and it's every week is important and and
it matters. And just trying to play my best ability
and fix the things that I can fix and make
plays and try to fix plays that I wish I
had back and try to let not up and again.

(01:08:59):
But at the same time, I think it's there's some
good things we did from last game, but also some
things we've got to improve on to be better down
the road and be better against the Ravens this week.
And we had a tough challenge and they were a
good defense, and they're good football team with a great quarterback,
so they.

Speaker 3 (01:09:13):
They're a tough challenge.

Speaker 10 (01:09:14):
And just trying to learn every week and store things
and I remembery ranked to use them again down the road.

Speaker 17 (01:09:18):
Right with I'm curious because you had your schedule time
time games and seeing who this was one where you
were taken out of the initial spot you guys were
in and moved to prime time where more eyes will.

Speaker 14 (01:09:28):
Be on you.

Speaker 17 (01:09:29):
Kind of is there an extra level of excitement to
know that you know they wanted you in that spot,
they wanted the Patriots to be playing in that element.

Speaker 10 (01:09:35):
That's what you played for. That's what we're trying to
play for for for many years down the road, trying
to be the team that you know, people want to
see you at night and people want to see when
the only game on is us. That what you want
this environment to be. That's what you want the newly
one Patriots to be playing on night games that matter
and you know home playoff games, and that's what we're
building tours and working tours, and that's one of the goals.
So we're keep trying to get there and do whatever

(01:09:57):
we can to get there. And it starts in practice
out here today and tomorrow and each and every day.
I think it's one of the tough things at the
end of the the thing is Week sixteen. You know,
it's trying not to battle in that kind of tailing
off and taking shortcuts just try to keep going and
do things a little more, study a little more, do
a little bit more after practice, just to try to
make up for the sixteen weeks that you put on
your body and know that these weeks are the weeks

(01:10:20):
that you play the last fourteen games for.

Speaker 4 (01:10:23):
Gick, do you expect to see some of the things
that those were successful doing to teat you.

Speaker 17 (01:10:30):
Mostly in the second half, other teams try to copy that,
and if you've been working to kind of work out
whatever those issues.

Speaker 10 (01:10:38):
Were, well, I'm sure teams try to do whatever other
defenses try to do to quote unquote you know, stopped
us or felt like worked. So you try to not
over overlook that and realize that these teams are going
to be who they are. And I practice all year long,
but you never know until you really get out there,
and it's not the football and see but you obviously
we're trying to work on things that we can can

(01:11:00):
role and control on details and me making throws and
better ball placement and better decisions, and that's what we
can control and let the rest toward yourself out.

Speaker 3 (01:11:10):
You care about the MVP conversation, You.

Speaker 10 (01:11:12):
Know the MVP is it's obviously, uh you know, one
of the big accolades for for this league, and it's uh,
you know something that you know, it's the honor as
a player to you know, earn their award and respect
me all the pass m vps. But I think at
the end of the day, you'll win. The super Bowl
is the biggest thing, and I think it's what kind
of makes makes this league go is is winning the

(01:11:35):
big one, and that's what you work towards and that's
what this game is about. You know, I love winning,
and you know the personal acolades come with all that,
but I'd rather win than than win, you know, personal awards.
And I hope you know, people in that locker room,
I know a lot of them feel the same way.

Speaker 18 (01:11:48):
Say Scotty report when you can't one more time, this
is scouting report on.

Speaker 10 (01:11:54):
Yeah, lay with my last year in college. He's a
great guy in the locker room. He's good on the edge,
he's fast, he's uh, you know, played inside a little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:12:02):
He's played on the edge.

Speaker 10 (01:12:04):
He played inside of Florida State, if I remember in
college and now you moved to the edge when you
got North Carolina.

Speaker 3 (01:12:09):
So I know he's with you.

Speaker 10 (01:12:10):
Know, Vegas and you know, good to see him back.

Speaker 5 (01:12:12):
And I think.

Speaker 10 (01:12:14):
Everybody's just trying to suit, you know, just to help us,
whether it's you know, on game day or throughout practice
or you know, whatever you can do.

Speaker 3 (01:12:21):
I know he's gonna work hard, and I know he's
got good work.

Speaker 2 (01:12:24):
I think great, but win.

Speaker 3 (01:12:25):
The Long Bowl opportunity potentially to stay.

Speaker 6 (01:12:28):
Do you ever have to play against you were on
with tendency to you know, to take a shorter.

Speaker 10 (01:12:33):
Easier Yeah, that's what I've been battling, you know, probably
since college. Since college, I was you know, more down
the field and it's not even you know, trying to
force that is kind of the offense I was in
and the backs weren't getting out.

Speaker 3 (01:12:46):
They were more blocking in college.

Speaker 10 (01:12:47):
So I'm just trying to take to take the plays
that the defense gives me and realize that, you know,
moving the chains and uh, being in second and four
versus second and ten is better.

Speaker 3 (01:12:55):
So just challenging that.

Speaker 10 (01:12:56):
But at the same time, you got to get defense,
you know, on his toes for not squad on routes
and let him know that we can hit one over
their head.

Speaker 4 (01:13:03):
We're going to tramp to the design runs in the
red zone last week. Just how did that kind of
come about?

Speaker 18 (01:13:08):
And you know, how do you feel about doing that
a little bit more with.

Speaker 10 (01:13:12):
Yeah, we tried them previous weeks. They just haven't worked,
you know, as well as they did on Sunday. So
it's something that makes it, you know, even down there
when you know, when it gets tighted, it's eleven and eleven,
and it's something that you can gain an extra hat
versus you know, me just handing it off and watching.
So something you can use. But also you gotta be
smart and these defenses are are good and now these guys.

Speaker 1 (01:13:32):
And now great moments in.

Speaker 2 (01:13:37):
History final one. Outside of football, I am also an
author mar tell Us parent No Home Out. I care
deeply about my charitable foundation. That could be right? Yeah
what Eric, who doesn't know?

Speaker 1 (01:13:52):
Yeah never mind?

Speaker 3 (01:13:53):
Why never mind?

Speaker 2 (01:13:55):
Eric? And I have a slutty cat and I like
to eat sawdust.

Speaker 3 (01:14:01):
What Eric SkELL nowod cat?

Speaker 2 (01:14:06):
Good?

Speaker 1 (01:14:06):
Cody good?

Speaker 3 (01:14:07):
Screw your Cody.

Speaker 1 (01:14:08):
I didn't know about your cat.

Speaker 2 (01:14:10):
Yeah, real slut. No, he doesn't let the cat in.
I mean that's the problem. It's not really his cat.
Do let her in, but it's not your cat. Well,
she's just a stray. I just take care of it.
But why don't you just take her in?

Speaker 1 (01:14:23):
I do let her in.

Speaker 2 (01:14:25):
I mean make her your cat, make you your cat.

Speaker 3 (01:14:29):
I don't mean just like Cody, if you were here,
I would beat the crap on it.

Speaker 2 (01:14:32):
Now.

Speaker 19 (01:14:33):
You know, great game Cody, good joke like he's trying
to play you know, you know, yeah, either board games
with him.

Speaker 2 (01:14:41):
I mean, make you shut up, to make the cat yours.
Give the cat a home.

Speaker 1 (01:14:46):
She has a home. She got chewed up. Ears, Well she's.

Speaker 19 (01:14:50):
You called her she was a stray and now she
lives in my house. She lives in your house now,
so you did take her in, yes years ago? Fred, Okay,
that's not the cares. Yeah, you got out of the shop.
What's the cat's name?

Speaker 1 (01:15:04):
That's not going to you.

Speaker 2 (01:15:05):
You don't have a name because you didn't take it.

Speaker 3 (01:15:06):
I did have me.

Speaker 2 (01:15:07):
You don't have a name.

Speaker 11 (01:15:08):
Cat.

Speaker 1 (01:15:08):
I do have a name.

Speaker 3 (01:15:09):
And told I've told you before, and you all like Meg,
what is it? No Mozart Mozart Mittens said, of course.

Speaker 4 (01:15:17):
I said that which motive you did?

Speaker 2 (01:15:19):
Which which movement of.

Speaker 3 (01:15:23):
I hate you all that?

Speaker 2 (01:15:26):
Oh what happened? Are we are? We on the air?
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (01:15:31):
We are on the air, Fred, and it's time for
the co Pilot Question of the Week, presented by Microsoft Copilot,
where every day is Game Day and where every decision
is powered by insight and innovation. Microsoft technology helps to
make decisions faster, insight sharper, and strategies more adaptive. A right, guys,
we're talking to Ravens this week, Paul, is a little
bit directed towards you.

Speaker 1 (01:15:48):
How many times did.

Speaker 6 (01:15:50):
The Patriots and Ravens have to play before the Ravens
finally beat the Patriots? This, of course nineteen ninety six
Cleveland and Baltimore, So starting in nineteen ninety six, how
many times did they play? Patriots won quite a few
of the first round of the first matchups?

Speaker 1 (01:16:04):
How many? And what was the first Raven's victory over
the Newland Patriots?

Speaker 3 (01:16:09):
What was the first Ravens victory over the Patriot there?

Speaker 1 (01:16:13):
Start there? Memorable one?

Speaker 3 (01:16:16):
Was it the playoff game in nine?

Speaker 1 (01:16:18):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:16:19):
Yeah, wow, good, Paul, thirty three fourteen?

Speaker 1 (01:16:22):
That was that was how long it took.

Speaker 3 (01:16:23):
I'm gonna say the Ravens won seven. I mean the
Patriots won seven in.

Speaker 1 (01:16:28):
A row, bow close five five, five times?

Speaker 3 (01:16:31):
So ninety six, forty six, thirty eight.

Speaker 20 (01:16:35):
Exactly, ninety nine, yep, twenty to three correct, Jesus, uh baby,
it's rainy, rainey.

Speaker 3 (01:16:45):
No, no, no, no, no. I'm trying to think. Was it
three or old four? I'm gonna say, oh, four, right,
And that ended up being a blowout because there was
like a Jarvis Green fumble recovery in the end zone.
Twenty four, yes, yes, again.

Speaker 1 (01:17:02):
You got two more, probably got four. This one's pretty famous, okay.

Speaker 3 (01:17:08):
Seven at Baltimore Rex Ryan time out.

Speaker 1 (01:17:15):
Barscott throwing the flag into the stands.

Speaker 3 (01:17:17):
Game ends with a Kyle Bowler hail Mary. That fell
about four yard show that completed, that fell about four
yards short of the end zone. I can't think of
the score of the game though, but Gerbard Gaffney lay
touchdown to win it. I just can't think.

Speaker 1 (01:17:31):
Twenty seven four one more, one more?

Speaker 3 (01:17:34):
All right, So that was seven. I'm gonna say they
played in the nine regular season right here?

Speaker 2 (01:17:41):
Correct?

Speaker 3 (01:17:43):
Might it have been a wouldn't have been the second
iteration of Dion Branch No, not yet, No, I can't
think of it again. The twenty seven one, twenty seven
it's a Derek Mason game. Is that the game where
look at the scoreboard, Mason, that was there.

Speaker 2 (01:17:59):
You go out right?

Speaker 3 (01:18:00):
This was like, shut the bleep up, Mason, look at
the school boy.

Speaker 1 (01:18:03):
I just set this one up and you knocked it down.

Speaker 6 (01:18:05):
Paul, that was I think that might have been my
most impressive performance by you.

Speaker 1 (01:18:08):
I thought you'd remember the ninety six one.

Speaker 6 (01:18:10):
I didn't think you get the exact score two bless
so twenty five for thirty nine three ten four teddies.

Speaker 3 (01:18:15):
Why do you think I remember the game?

Speaker 1 (01:18:16):
That's try to him up for that.

Speaker 3 (01:18:19):
Wigham may have had a block punt return for a touchdown, Yes.

Speaker 1 (01:18:22):
Bruski, I think maybe they were get him a touchdown block?
Correct this guy, look at the brain on Brad. I
never run to the locker room so I.

Speaker 8 (01:18:31):
Can get any more power to run all the time.

Speaker 1 (01:18:35):
You got to check on the boys.

Speaker 2 (01:18:36):
I have to leave them twelve minutes. You know I'll
be back.

Speaker 3 (01:18:39):
What is it when you come back. I have a
bone to pick with you about yesterday's trip to the
locker room, but I'll wait till you come back.

Speaker 2 (01:18:45):
Oh boy, reporter, So what we're going to do in
twelve minutes takes them? You get a vibe check takes
you two minutes to get there, two minutes to get back,
So now he has eight minutes.

Speaker 8 (01:18:54):
And that's if they let you in on time. Right,
you might be sitting outside going in there.

Speaker 3 (01:18:59):
I'm a little word about it.

Speaker 2 (01:19:00):
He just waves, it's.

Speaker 8 (01:19:02):
A reporter social hour, exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:19:05):
Exactly who's in there working.

Speaker 3 (01:19:09):
I'm going to give Fred more logs to throw on
the fire. So yesterday he comes in. Basically, Wednesday is
just to check in with Steph Dicks. Okay, right when Mike.

Speaker 9 (01:19:21):
Rights and I had to talk talk to Marcus Jones
about something too, So there's a little meaning.

Speaker 3 (01:19:26):
But I mean yesterday he Wednesday is when he goes.
It's generally because Diggs talks every Wednesday.

Speaker 2 (01:19:33):
Has to hold the mink.

Speaker 3 (01:19:34):
How was how was Diggs? Now? Diggs, I think for
the first time showed a little sign after a loss.
I think he did that. He did fine. I'm not
trying to make a Felgrin maz out of it, but
there was a little sign of you know, I think
he said bleep, you know, I don't know, like I

(01:19:55):
always want the ball or you know, he got back
to saying like we have a lot of good players
and we gotta you know, we gotta find a way
to get you know, everybody. But but you know how
the questions were about how are you dealing with maybe
a lesser role, limited plan time, and he kind of said,
you know, it's been an adjustment. Mike didn't really give
us any of that that stuff. I heard all those

(01:20:17):
quotes when I was on the radio later. So that's
the bone I have to pick with Douche.

Speaker 2 (01:20:22):
Yes, let's do it. Let's do it.

Speaker 9 (01:20:23):
When those dig scrums are packed, they're intense, Like most
of that, you're just holding your hand praying.

Speaker 3 (01:20:30):
Really hear what he says. Yeah, That's happened to me
millions of times.

Speaker 4 (01:20:34):
It's tough spiing.

Speaker 2 (01:20:35):
Fresno writes in I'm in lockstep with Paul's takes and
how he arrived at them. Regarding the different reasons for
Lamar and Josh Allen's postseason losses, Evan's annoyance ari complaints
about Drake's lack of comeback charges in Crunch Time is
justified if he's responding to people who think the case
is closed on Drake's ability there. The case is not closed.

(01:20:57):
Like I wrote yesterday, Drake is zero to one but
Evan is out of his mind skewing things to view
Drake positively. Now when he discounts the real importance of
late game comeback charges, name me three great Super Bowl
winning quarterbacks who didn't consistently lead those throughout their career.
I'll spot you one, Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 3 (01:21:14):
I was going to say, they only have one and
that's it. Yeah, he's the only one who won a
Super Bowl and really wasn't great in those situations.

Speaker 2 (01:21:20):
No, I agree with Spie. Great quarterbacks are usually made
great by those moments. I agree, you know, so you
have to have those moments in your career. But again
we're not.

Speaker 3 (01:21:34):
Even getting I thought Speed gave those details. Yeah, it'll come,
He'll have chances to do it, and then we'll you know,
then we might change, you know, hopefully for the better,
but you know, if it's not, then you got to
sort of change the way you look at things.

Speaker 2 (01:21:52):
Curtis and Saint Louis correct me if I'm wrong. He says,
if the Patriots win the next two games and Buffalo
loses at least one, that's the earliest the Patriots can
clinch the division. That is correct, that's correct. Second question, outside.

Speaker 3 (01:22:06):
Of other wards, A win for the Patriots this week
and a loss for Buffalo does not clinch the division.

Speaker 2 (01:22:11):
Right. Uh. Second question, outside of Drake May, which player
that was on this team last year has taken the
biggest leap?

Speaker 3 (01:22:21):
Which player that was on it besides Drake May?

Speaker 2 (01:22:24):
Besides Drake Man.

Speaker 8 (01:22:27):
Yeah, he's a great year. I don't know if it's
that big of a leap, but I.

Speaker 3 (01:22:32):
Think he I think that's a good one.

Speaker 2 (01:22:33):
I think he's gotten the most recognition certainly now.

Speaker 3 (01:22:36):
I think that's a good one. Maybe Booty, Yeah, that's
a good one.

Speaker 2 (01:22:40):
That's a real good one. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:22:43):
But I like Marcus Jones better than Kashawan Boody. Not
the player, I mean saying the example as this as
the bigger leap. I was trying to think of who
else was around last year that's played really well.

Speaker 9 (01:22:57):
I think Marcus has done a lot for his reputation
as a defense under two. Like he was always like
just really like revered for what he does in special teams.

Speaker 8 (01:23:06):
But I think he now has a lot of respect
as a slot corner.

Speaker 3 (01:23:10):
I know I can speaking just for myself, I would
say I would put myself in that category. I have
not necessarily been a huge believer of him as a corner.
I think he's had a really good year as a
corner this year.

Speaker 2 (01:23:21):
Yeah, I think that covers it in terms of guys
who were here last year and making significant leaps.

Speaker 3 (01:23:28):
Yeah, I'm just looking at the rot you know, like
the names of all the you know, Stevenson, Henry, He's no,
no huge leaps there. You know, a when who's been better,
but no huge leap.

Speaker 2 (01:23:42):
What's going on with Hooper and his production?

Speaker 3 (01:23:45):
Hooper at the tight ends have sort of kind of disappeared.
I wonder about his because remember you had to miss
a little time with an injury. I wonder if he's
banged up a little bit too. But he's had a
good year. Hooper's had a good year lately. No, he's
but Henry didn't do anything lately either.

Speaker 8 (01:24:01):
Teams like paying more attention to the tight Ends or something.

Speaker 3 (01:24:04):
That's what I'm thinking is they're getting defended a little
bit because.

Speaker 9 (01:24:08):
Last year a Hunter and Hooper where I think I
think the end of the year is the best tight
end tandem. So I don't know, maybe they were just
getting more attention or.

Speaker 2 (01:24:16):
Could be, but usually you know, earlier he was good
for like those Yeah, you know two catches a game
that were you know, for sure key catches. I'm not
seeing that now. Nelson's in La. What's up, Nelson?

Speaker 3 (01:24:31):
What's what guys?

Speaker 12 (01:24:31):
We're doing good, man, We're doing good.

Speaker 2 (01:24:35):
Bro.

Speaker 12 (01:24:35):
We lost this week, but I'm excited for the next
game coming up. Like you're saying, I'm not trying to
hide for no team. Let's get it going.

Speaker 3 (01:24:42):
On, right, We're gonna get going.

Speaker 2 (01:24:46):
I like it.

Speaker 3 (01:24:48):
I like hearing your your radio.

Speaker 5 (01:24:50):
You know, all the time.

Speaker 11 (01:24:51):
I hear you.

Speaker 3 (01:24:52):
I can't call it the time because I work nice shoes,
but I hear it all the time.

Speaker 2 (01:24:55):
Though, got to pay the bills.

Speaker 3 (01:24:57):
I hear you, yeah when we're here, and you can
always listen to us later that podcast.

Speaker 2 (01:25:01):
But you know, think don't don't get it wrong.

Speaker 14 (01:25:03):
I haven't been calling, but you know I hear you
all the time.

Speaker 2 (01:25:05):
Yeah, yep, that's great. Appreciate that, Nelson. You've spread the
word too out in LA. Thank you for the call.
Kyle has an over undergame. Uh while we wait for
Duce to get back in five minutes, I'm only kids.
Drake May passing yards two hundred and fifty and a
half over over.

Speaker 8 (01:25:24):
Under, Oh, three hundred yard game, that's right.

Speaker 2 (01:25:28):
Drake May passing touchdowns two and a hay under, well,
I said, I'll say over, he's getting three Hundre's gonna
have some rushing touchdowns too.

Speaker 3 (01:25:38):
Oh well, that's passing touchdown.

Speaker 2 (01:25:41):
That's right. That's why I say I like by saying
under two and a hey, doesn't mean.

Speaker 8 (01:25:46):
The receivers back involved.

Speaker 2 (01:25:48):
Okay, Henderson rushing yards seventy five and a hay Henderson,
I'm gonna say under, I'll make.

Speaker 8 (01:25:57):
Like one play and get that. Yeah tricky, I know.

Speaker 3 (01:26:01):
Yeah, he got me on that. Two weeks ago. The
number that we had was like sixty four and a half. Yeah,
and like his last carry of the night it went
twenty six yards against the Giants and you got sixty five.

Speaker 2 (01:26:13):
There you go, like sounds a killer. Yeah, I think
it's gonna be split. So I'm gonna say under, Henderson
rushing touchdowns one and a hay under Yeah, Henry rushing yards,
Oh for them, I'm gonna hunter Henry Derrick Henry rushing

(01:26:34):
yards seventy five and a hay.

Speaker 3 (01:26:39):
It's a good number.

Speaker 2 (01:26:40):
I'm gonna say O say over.

Speaker 3 (01:26:42):
Yeah, right around that he's gonna have a huge.

Speaker 8 (01:26:45):
Was last week his first hundred yard rushing game in
a while or something.

Speaker 2 (01:26:48):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:26:49):
I can look that up.

Speaker 2 (01:26:50):
While you're looking that up, total score forty five and
a hay over.

Speaker 8 (01:26:57):
Over.

Speaker 2 (01:27:01):
I'm gonna say under based on what my score prediction
is going to be.

Speaker 3 (01:27:05):
Okay, Yeah, So he's had a few like he had
ninety four the game before that, then he had sixty
sixty four in those two games between, and then one
O three seventy five one nineteen seventy one two. So
he's been back and forth a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:27:20):
And Kyle's prediction is Patriots thirty one seventeen. Love it.
There you go. Let's see uri rites in uh first
of Forromos, Happy Christmas. We get into that time right
almost there? What what's today? The seventeen eighteen?

Speaker 5 (01:27:40):
Wow?

Speaker 8 (01:27:40):
Less than a week or years?

Speaker 1 (01:27:41):
Ready, it's a week from.

Speaker 3 (01:27:42):
No, I am ready?

Speaker 2 (01:27:44):
Are you ready? You're all set?

Speaker 3 (01:27:45):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:27:45):
I got When you say ready.

Speaker 8 (01:27:47):
Is all set?

Speaker 3 (01:27:48):
I got no, I got everything wrapped already.

Speaker 2 (01:27:50):
What about food?

Speaker 8 (01:27:50):
You wrap th food personally?

Speaker 3 (01:27:53):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:27:54):
I bet you. He's a good rapper.

Speaker 8 (01:27:55):
I just are you good at it?

Speaker 3 (01:27:56):
I am not?

Speaker 19 (01:27:58):
Well?

Speaker 8 (01:27:58):
I saw what Evan has for Yankee swap and the
way it was wrapped it.

Speaker 2 (01:28:02):
And it's you already saw his present.

Speaker 9 (01:28:04):
Yeah, he made me bring it up to run. No,
I didn't see the present. I saw the rape.

Speaker 2 (01:28:07):
But you now know which one is his?

Speaker 1 (01:28:10):
That's true.

Speaker 9 (01:28:11):
I want to know because I don't want to pick his.
It could get stolen from me.

Speaker 2 (01:28:14):
Anyways, you don't know what to know who brought what right?
Isn't that part of it? Yeah?

Speaker 9 (01:28:20):
But when he sits next to me and he's lazy
and doesn't want to walk up to the suite to.

Speaker 3 (01:28:24):
Drop it off, he really is the fact that he
even lies.

Speaker 2 (01:28:27):
He was like, Matt is you know?

Speaker 8 (01:28:29):
He was like, are you going to bring your gift?
I was like, yeah, I'm going to take a walk
up there. He's a great Is he going to come?
He's like no, but I want you to take mine.

Speaker 3 (01:28:36):
Yes, Mike and I this first thing this morning.

Speaker 8 (01:28:38):
We're both excited to get drop steps in and.

Speaker 3 (01:28:42):
There was a bunch of.

Speaker 2 (01:28:44):
Yuri's question, is is there any possibility the Dynasty uniforms
two thousand to twenty eighteen make a comeback, maybe as
the throwback uniform.

Speaker 9 (01:28:56):
No, how far removed from I feel like maybe in
like twenty years.

Speaker 2 (01:29:01):
Yeah, it's way.

Speaker 3 (01:29:02):
Too I don't think you. Yeah, I agree with you.

Speaker 8 (01:29:05):
And what's mad? How like it has to be like
another generation?

Speaker 2 (01:29:08):
I feel like before to me, the current uniforms are
too close to those. Yeah, we're like you have to
get away from that to throw back to it. I
don't know, I don't even know what I'm saying. Let's
go to Eldred, North Carolina. What's up Eldred?

Speaker 11 (01:29:26):
Hey, fellas lady, how you doing good? Eldrim off today?
Ain't in the truck? Good for you cut me off yesterday?
But it's cool.

Speaker 14 (01:29:33):
But I was going to ask, if.

Speaker 11 (01:29:36):
You meet with Josh McDaniels, can you ask him why
you always throw deep to a slow receive and you
got somebody on the side to run the four two
or four to three and he never shooting a shot?

Speaker 3 (01:29:47):
Who would that be? Who are we talking about?

Speaker 11 (01:29:52):
We're talking about when you throw it to number thirteen.
But you got Kyle Williams sitting on the sideline.

Speaker 3 (01:29:58):
They dialed up a couple of deep shots to Kyle
Williams on Sunday. He was covered and they weren't able
to execute him. But they I would say conservatively, they
dial up a deep shot to Kyle Williams once a
game they give they give him a shot that there
was a play in this game that was coming toward
our side, the press box side that end zone. Uh,

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and they had it double covered. I think when he's
in the game, Eldrid, they kind of on the lookout
for something downfield. Big play potential with Kyle Williams.

Speaker 11 (01:30:34):
Okay, yeah, one more question, ye, Paul Uhude, this was
Kid on Evan Show yesterday and there's a lot of
people call him from North Carolina and we're worried about
their clutch day because the game and they were the
game and the game that you got to have it.
Drake haven't showed up that well. We're figuring he's young,

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you get it into it, but a lot of us
we saw the same thing.

Speaker 1 (01:31:01):
Yeah, we just warndery.

Speaker 3 (01:31:03):
We'll see now. Like I just like I said, I'm
not telling you that it's nothing to worry about. I'm
just saying I don't think we have enough evidence yet.
But I know you guys have been watching them in college.
You guys have a little bit more background with him. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
he's better and in your defense, Biggie, you talked about
that in the pre draft process.

Speaker 2 (01:31:23):
In the locker room. What was the mood where the
players fand into that none of them looked.

Speaker 3 (01:31:28):
Like Riick Henry hammock.

Speaker 7 (01:31:33):
Rock, Like, what was it?

Speaker 6 (01:31:36):
Like, I'm back, everybody, did you miss me? I ran
over to the locker room real quick.

Speaker 2 (01:31:41):
Down the minute.

Speaker 1 (01:31:43):
Now, not a lot to report today, unfortunately, just kind
of quiet.

Speaker 2 (01:31:46):
A lot of it was only there for funny.

Speaker 3 (01:31:48):
Everybody else thought there was a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:31:50):
Well, I said, robertsplen Is in a boot? Is that
what it was?

Speaker 4 (01:31:53):
This?

Speaker 1 (01:31:53):
What did I not have an.

Speaker 3 (01:31:54):
The Dicks comments, which one when you talked about you
may him about his sort of limited role and you know,
he was okay, and he was kind of like blee,
you know, oh yeah, I mean he was okay. I'm
not suggesting that he was in sndiary or anything like that,
but I thought that was kind of the first sign
after a loss that he wasn't a big part of that.

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He was like yeah, I'm over here.

Speaker 10 (01:32:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:32:20):
Yeah, sometimes he did, but he did a good job.

Speaker 3 (01:32:24):
He I thought he did a good job of sort
of straddling the line there not Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:32:28):
Now I remember that response.

Speaker 3 (01:32:30):
But but I heard it when I was driving to
do my show, and I was like, I heard it.

Speaker 6 (01:32:42):
Okay, yeah, yeah, I had no excuse I should. I'm
gonna be better on that. But we didn't have any
scrums today, so nothing to not report. But did see
Terrell Williams walk through again. Uh see will Campbell walking through? Uh,
you know, no brace and I don't want to talk
about limps.

Speaker 1 (01:32:57):
He looked fine. Uh but you know, decent energy is
as quick.

Speaker 6 (01:33:01):
They just they just got us in, So I just
you know, wanted to get in make sure everything was good.

Speaker 1 (01:33:04):
Island. You didn't see did not see Spallaine.

Speaker 2 (01:33:07):
And he was pow wowing, which Splaine came by in
a wheelchair.

Speaker 1 (01:33:13):
Every day gets a little right, the leg's gone.

Speaker 2 (01:33:16):
No one one.

Speaker 1 (01:33:16):
Good little Evan note and I'll let him maybe talk
about it on the shows next week.

Speaker 6 (01:33:20):
But there was a good clip from Kirk Cousins on
the Internet's talking about you know, reading through defenses and
went on a little die trap about it all. He
described it, and Evan went over to Drake and was
asking Drake about it, just kind of on a one
on one, and I caught a little bit of the
response of Drake kind of explaining, oh, this is what
I did in college. And so it seemed like Evan

(01:33:40):
was getting some some good info. So we'll tee that out.

Speaker 1 (01:33:42):
Maybe for next week he can he can talk about
that a little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:33:45):
And Alex on the the follow up, you just asked,
did you hear it or did you see it?

Speaker 2 (01:33:50):
I would.

Speaker 3 (01:33:50):
I think I know why you asked, because I would
agree reading it sounded worse and you can hearing it. Yeah,
I felt way better about it. But I did hear
it when I was driving in. But then Phil Perry,
I think, wrote it up and they were reading the
quotes when we were on, and I was like, they
definitely read worse than they sound.

Speaker 8 (01:34:08):
You need the tone and you need the whole.

Speaker 3 (01:34:10):
Right, the whole thing. And he didn't Phil. Into Phil's credit,
he put the whole answer in.

Speaker 8 (01:34:14):
A lot of times are like crap.

Speaker 9 (01:34:16):
Of course, I wish I was getting the ball more,
but dot dot dot but the butt dot dot.

Speaker 3 (01:34:21):
Didn't do that. I don't want to throw full out
of the bus. Bill put the whole thing in, but
reading it, it came off a little bit harsher than
it sounded.

Speaker 2 (01:34:28):
Media literacy, all right, well, listen, it's that time of
the week, Paul, what happened last week?

Speaker 3 (01:34:41):
Okay? Young Evan took the took the week last week
at ten and six, followed by Paul at nine and seven,
Fred and Alex eight and eight, and Mike at seven
and nine. So pretty mediocre week with the spread, uh.
Sticking with the adiquosity Paul at eight and eight, followed

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by Evan and Fred at six and ten, Mike and
Alex at five and eleven.

Speaker 1 (01:35:05):
Welcome, Welcome, Welcome to the basement.

Speaker 7 (01:35:08):
So playing my actual music.

Speaker 2 (01:35:20):
I again, it's Thursday.

Speaker 3 (01:35:26):
I like it.

Speaker 7 (01:35:27):
How have a song?

Speaker 3 (01:35:31):
She's blowing?

Speaker 4 (01:35:33):
Hi?

Speaker 1 (01:35:34):
Mom, No, I have a song. I got ang Maya
I finally made.

Speaker 3 (01:35:38):
So the season standings now getting to the nitty gritty,
only three weeks left or some of that. Alex maintains
her one game lead over Fred one forty five seventy
eight and one to one forty four seventy nine and one.
Paul has moved into third place at one thirty eight
eighty five and one. Truly remarkable comeback turnaround one thirty

(01:35:59):
seven eighty six and one for Mike, so only one
game behind me and Evan one thirty two ninety one
and one. That's just poor to mean for ball mower.
Uh with the spread Fred one eighteen one oh four
and two. But uh uh uh oh come conten Yes,

(01:36:19):
well one fourteen one oh eight and two. So I'm
only four games back.

Speaker 2 (01:36:24):
With three to play, with three weeks to go.

Speaker 3 (01:36:27):
Uh, that's good. Evan one O seven one fifteen and two,
Alex one O five one seventeen and two, and Mike,
it's really ninety ninety two one thirty and two.

Speaker 1 (01:36:41):
Gracious, you will fade me.

Speaker 2 (01:36:42):
Goodness, gracious, he says, that's bad. Even it would be
if you were wad. This is what this is.

Speaker 1 (01:36:50):
This is all the all the evidence I need to
never have to gamble.

Speaker 2 (01:36:54):
So there you go.

Speaker 6 (01:36:55):
But I should just be the opposite, right, I should
just start kissing yourself.

Speaker 1 (01:36:59):
Yeah, myself. I'm gonna think this is what I'm gonna do.

Speaker 8 (01:37:01):
And then last night that is what my heart is
telling me.

Speaker 2 (01:37:04):
All right, let's get into it. We gotta hurry because
there's no buys tonight Thursday night on Prime it's the
eleven and three Rams against the eleven and three Seahawks.

Speaker 1 (01:37:17):
Big game, great game. Will you put this one on
tonight Paul this, this is worthy of firing up the service.

Speaker 3 (01:37:22):
About it today, and I think I just might, especially.

Speaker 1 (01:37:25):
With the boys home Amazon Prime.

Speaker 3 (01:37:26):
Here my guesses I won't be seeing the Boys because
I don't know. They just go off and do lose
Seattle by one and a half.

Speaker 2 (01:37:33):
One and a half.

Speaker 1 (01:37:34):
Oh wow, that's interesting.

Speaker 6 (01:37:35):
That flipped on it did great game. Usually I go
with Seattle at home. I'm gonna go with Matthew Stafford
and the Rams though. I just have a little bit
more belief in him than sam Donold at this point
of the year.

Speaker 1 (01:37:47):
So I'm gonna take the Rams and I'll take those points.

Speaker 9 (01:37:51):
I'm gonna take Seattle. Really, Sean McVay had a kid
this week. Pooka has some drama.

Speaker 3 (01:37:58):
No DeVante Adams.

Speaker 9 (01:38:00):
Having issues with their playing apparently. Yeah, so what about
the dad's strength for the coach though? Yeah, I'm thinking
of coming up with game plans when you had a
kid midweek.

Speaker 1 (01:38:12):
He's tired, fleet of people.

Speaker 8 (01:38:16):
Right, sticking with it Seattle.

Speaker 3 (01:38:21):
I'm with Alex. I'm gonna take Seattle. I like you know,
I believe the Rams are the best table football, But
Thursday night home game, Division game, I take the home
team Seattle.

Speaker 2 (01:38:34):
Evan was saying on the X that it wasn't a
good idea to have such a big game on a
Thursday night. It wasn't fair to either team.

Speaker 3 (01:38:43):
I kind of agree. I would agree.

Speaker 2 (01:38:45):
Yeah, I'm gonna go with the Rams. I think they're
just the better team. Do you take anything off last
game last week Seattle's performance? I mean, I know they.

Speaker 3 (01:38:55):
Won, but the Sam Donald thing, to me is worth
wondering about us. You're starting to get the Donald bias
are coming regression?

Speaker 6 (01:39:04):
Yeah, I just I guess I have a little bit
of recency bias, catching a little bit of the Rams
last week. I just don't impressed with Matthew Stafford. How confidence,
smooth in command.

Speaker 2 (01:39:13):
He looks pro. We have two Saturday games this week,
the first one Saturday at five o'clock odd time. But
I'll take it. Philadelphia nine and five at Washington four and.

Speaker 3 (01:39:26):
Ten, Philly by six and a half. Now, where can
we can consume these games?

Speaker 1 (01:39:31):
Fox on Fox on Fox nice one for business.

Speaker 3 (01:39:35):
I might be able to watch because I can click
back and forth for college football playoffs. Yeah, I understand
my dilemma.

Speaker 9 (01:39:41):
I understand on a Saturday, I get it on a Sunday.

Speaker 8 (01:39:44):
I don't understand what else is going.

Speaker 3 (01:39:46):
On to watch the games on Sunday.

Speaker 9 (01:39:49):
Red zone? Yeah, or do you flipping between red zone
and what else?

Speaker 10 (01:39:53):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:39:54):
No, red zone is concerting. There's a play all the time,
there's no commercials.

Speaker 1 (01:39:57):
Matt Lock. I'll take Philly and I'll lay the points.

Speaker 8 (01:40:07):
Philly, Philly.

Speaker 3 (01:40:09):
I'm gonna take Philly as well. Yeah, Washington is just
a time and a half, six and a half. Eagles
a favorite body.

Speaker 2 (01:40:17):
I'm gonna take Philly, but I will take the points.
I will take the points. Saturday, eight twenty on Fox.
A good game, the nine to four and one Packers
at the ten and four.

Speaker 3 (01:40:31):
Bears Chicago by one and a half.

Speaker 1 (01:40:36):
Flip two, Yeah, great game.

Speaker 6 (01:40:38):
Tough loss for green Bay last week, losing Michael Parsons
and Christian Watson.

Speaker 1 (01:40:43):
I'm gonna go Chicago.

Speaker 6 (01:40:44):
I think this is a big win for for Ben
Johnson and I'm gonna lay the point and a half.

Speaker 8 (01:40:49):
I'm gonna take Chicago too.

Speaker 3 (01:40:52):
I thought I would be alone in this one, but
I will take the Bears.

Speaker 2 (01:40:56):
I'm gonna take the Packers.

Speaker 6 (01:40:58):
Got just just my instinct getting interesting between you what
he's doing?

Speaker 2 (01:41:04):
What am I doing?

Speaker 1 (01:41:05):
I know, I know, making an interest.

Speaker 3 (01:41:07):
You know what you did? Curse.

Speaker 2 (01:41:09):
I just I feel like Green Bay is gonna win.
I go buy Fields, Freddy Fields, Freddy Feels, go By Fields.
Sunday at one Fox Tampa Bay seven and seven at
the Panthers seven and seven.

Speaker 3 (01:41:26):
Tampa Bay by three.

Speaker 6 (01:41:28):
Just a gross loss for them last week. Hearing them
talk about it, they seemed disgusted with themselves. Uh So
I'm gonna pick Tampa to bounce back, even though y'all
know I love me some Panthers.

Speaker 8 (01:41:40):
Tampa Tampa.

Speaker 7 (01:41:41):
I guess.

Speaker 3 (01:41:44):
God that division should be just throwing a vision that
whole division should be relegated. I'll take Tampa both ways.

Speaker 2 (01:41:52):
I'm gonna take Carolina, Wow, big surprise. Gonna take Carolina
Sunday at one on CBS. Buffalo ten and four at
Cleveland three and eleven.

Speaker 3 (01:42:07):
Buffalo by ten and a halfeesh.

Speaker 6 (01:42:12):
So I'm gonna take Buffalo to win, of course, but
I'm gonna take the points. Just maybe one of those
weird little letdown games for Buffalo where they're not quite
as sharp.

Speaker 3 (01:42:21):
It's got to be a little bit of a letdown.

Speaker 8 (01:42:25):
Tempting, tempting, same thing. I guess.

Speaker 3 (01:42:33):
I'm gonna do the same thing. I don't like being
aligned with Deuce, but I kind of agree. I mean they,
you know, shootout against Tampa a few weeks ago, you know,
shootout against Cincinnati to come back against the mean at
some point you don't play that well. Yeah, And I
think they'll do enough to win on the road, But
ten and a half on the road, that's a lot.

(01:42:54):
I'll take the point.

Speaker 2 (01:42:55):
I thought i'd be alone on this one. I'm taking
the points too. I'm going into the window with the points.

Speaker 11 (01:43:00):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:43:01):
You know, the Bills won their Super Bowl last week,
let's say s it, you know, so there's got to
be a lot true, there's got to be a letdown.
They win the game, but they don't cover all right.
Sunday at one on Fox, the Chargers at ten and
four at Dallas six seven and.

Speaker 3 (01:43:16):
One, Dallas by two and a half.

Speaker 1 (01:43:19):
M It's a tough one for me.

Speaker 6 (01:43:22):
As you can tell from my record, They're all probably
pretty tough for me, whether I know it or not.

Speaker 2 (01:43:26):
This whole thing is tough exercise segment.

Speaker 1 (01:43:30):
But I'm gonna go with Dallas.

Speaker 6 (01:43:32):
I think that their their defense has been playing better
and I think they'll get after Justin Herbert and do
enough to win by more than two and a half points.

Speaker 3 (01:43:39):
Dallas, Dallas, Yeah this. You know, Fred likes to talk
about the spreads like when they're odd. This is an
odd spread to me. I will take the Chargers to
win the game.

Speaker 2 (01:43:50):
I am with Paul Chargers win this game.

Speaker 17 (01:43:53):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:43:54):
Sunday at one, what, I don't know what you don't
want to be a Sunday at one on CBS. It's
the Jets three and eleven at New Orleans four and ten.

Speaker 3 (01:44:08):
Speaking of the Jets, Deuce is playing the role of
the Jets, just trying to be spoiler, that's all. I'm
trying to do the Jets at New Orleans, New Orleans
by four and a half. The Jets, since I always.

Speaker 6 (01:44:20):
Go first, I need to start planning some misinformation. Of course,
I made huge news for New Orleans. You know what's
going on there, so I really feel great about them.

Speaker 1 (01:44:29):
I'll take New Orleans. How many points?

Speaker 3 (01:44:31):
Four and a half?

Speaker 6 (01:44:31):
Oh yeah, I gotta lay those based on all that
recent news that I heard about the Saints.

Speaker 9 (01:44:36):
Crazy really, I already had it written down, so I'll
just go with it.

Speaker 8 (01:44:40):
New Orleans New Orleans.

Speaker 3 (01:44:45):
Can the Jets be that bad?

Speaker 14 (01:44:47):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:44:48):
I mean New Orleans. I'm gonna pick Orleans to win
at home. Yeah, I'll lay the points. New Orleans both ways?

Speaker 2 (01:44:53):
Yeah, New Orleans both ways is the play they're playing.

Speaker 3 (01:44:57):
They're being spunky strut with Tyler Shuck.

Speaker 1 (01:45:01):
Yeah yeah, yeah, they beat the pan.

Speaker 2 (01:45:04):
How big is your unit?

Speaker 1 (01:45:08):
I think it's four point five?

Speaker 3 (01:45:09):
Okay, bigger than that.

Speaker 1 (01:45:13):
That's what pretty average spread.

Speaker 3 (01:45:14):
I mean, I was just tossing mic and discuss.

Speaker 2 (01:45:18):
It depends on what game I want.

Speaker 3 (01:45:23):
That's a big spread on a red zone. Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:45:26):
Sunday at one on Fox, it's Minnesota at six and
eight against the Giants two and.

Speaker 3 (01:45:33):
Twelve, Minnesota by three.

Speaker 2 (01:45:37):
Wow. Oh so this to me, this is an interesting
what the sharps?

Speaker 15 (01:45:43):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:45:43):
Yeah, do you guys catch any of that?

Speaker 3 (01:45:45):
What were the records again? Six and eight, two and twelve,
And you're wondering why the road team is favorite?

Speaker 2 (01:45:52):
Yeah? By only three? Oh, by only three? Well it's
J J.

Speaker 1 (01:45:56):
McCarthy. Uh, I'm gonna take J. J. McCarthy, I think obviously.

Speaker 6 (01:46:01):
I mean, he's just on fire right now and they're
easily gonna win this game out later.

Speaker 8 (01:46:05):
Points Minnesota Minnesota.

Speaker 3 (01:46:08):
Uh, yeah, I don't think Minnesota is good enough to
be favored on the road. I will take it. I
will take the Giants. Oh bad team.

Speaker 2 (01:46:15):
Wow, that's yeah. But the Giants are really bad.

Speaker 3 (01:46:18):
They are, but out at home. I think that they'll
show some. Yeah every once a month, Yeah, they show some.

Speaker 2 (01:46:24):
I'm gonna hot I'm taking Minnesota both ways. Uh, this
is a this is a good one. Though. The sharps
are telling us something here, so Paul might be onto something.
Sunday at one at CBS. UH, the playoff eliminated Kansas
City Chiefs are at the playoff eliminated Tennessee Titans six

(01:46:46):
and eight against two and twelve.

Speaker 3 (01:46:48):
Kansas City by three.

Speaker 1 (01:46:51):
It's a really tough one with Gardner Minshew.

Speaker 2 (01:46:55):
Of course, it's a really big shoe.

Speaker 6 (01:46:57):
Yeah, I'm gonna go Withansas City in this one, but
I'm going to take the points for Tennessee. I think
they kind of keep it close. I think they've been
a little a little frisky at home.

Speaker 8 (01:47:07):
Spread one more time.

Speaker 21 (01:47:08):
I'm sorry, three flat four Kansas City, Kansas City by three, Tennessee.

Speaker 3 (01:47:19):
Al Right, the cover Kansas City and Tennessee sound.

Speaker 1 (01:47:24):
Like you shifted gears there.

Speaker 3 (01:47:26):
No, I'm taking the Chiefs both ways. I don't can't
take tennis.

Speaker 2 (01:47:33):
From what I heard out of the Chiefs locker room,
you got to take the Chiefs.

Speaker 1 (01:47:36):
Some of them aren't even sure they've been eliminated.

Speaker 2 (01:47:39):
Mahomes was hurt.

Speaker 7 (01:47:45):
I love this already.

Speaker 1 (01:47:47):
Did you say the garnermentship.

Speaker 2 (01:47:52):
Kansas City both ways? Sunday one on CBS Cincinnati four
and ten at Miami six and eight.

Speaker 3 (01:48:01):
Uh, Cincinnati by four and a half.

Speaker 1 (01:48:03):
Geez, I guess our line was before they benched.

Speaker 6 (01:48:08):
This is the interesting one to me where it's just
it's like for nothing, and you know, Cincinnati you're close.

Speaker 1 (01:48:12):
To getting, like, you know, a good drop pick.

Speaker 6 (01:48:14):
Don't win, But I think they're gonna I'll take Cincinnati
and I'm gonna lay the points.

Speaker 8 (01:48:19):
Cincinnati Cincinnati.

Speaker 3 (01:48:21):
Yeah, I'm gonna take Cincinnati both ways too. With Quinn
Yours playing quarterback. Yeah, I think Borrow's gotta snap out.

Speaker 2 (01:48:30):
Of it a little.

Speaker 1 (01:48:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:48:31):
Yeah, I love Joe Burrow. But all right, bro, I
get it, you're down. You gotta play too.

Speaker 2 (01:48:36):
You think you'll have fun this week?

Speaker 3 (01:48:38):
I don't know. Yeah, probably not going to Miami. Why
not what's not that.

Speaker 2 (01:48:41):
Yeah, I'm gonna go with Cincinnati to win the game.
I think Burrow, like, I don't know what's going on
up in Cincinnati as a result of his remarks, but
I gotta imagine there's a lot swirling and so he's
gonna come out to show everybody. Yeah, I'm still engaged.

Speaker 3 (01:48:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:48:57):
So I think he'll have a good game. And I
think the sharps that too. That's that's why. All right, Uh, Sunday,
Now we go to four oh five on Sunday, it's Fox,
and it's Atlanta five and nine at Arizona three and eleven.

Speaker 3 (01:49:14):
Atlanta by three.

Speaker 1 (01:49:17):
Ah boy, Jacoby Brissett versus Kirk Cousins.

Speaker 2 (01:49:20):
Oh boy.

Speaker 1 (01:49:21):
Uh, I don't know. I'm gonna go with the upset
and go Arizona.

Speaker 8 (01:49:29):
Atlanta Atlanta.

Speaker 3 (01:49:34):
I guess they just have to play these games. Huh.
I'm gonna take Arizona at home.

Speaker 2 (01:49:40):
You're a sucker for Arizona.

Speaker 3 (01:49:42):
No, I think they stink.

Speaker 8 (01:49:43):
They're so bad.

Speaker 3 (01:49:44):
And every week you watch like the beginning of the
game and announce just tell you how well Brissette's playing.
And I'm like, I watch these games. He's not playing
like it's this, it's the typical. Yeah, he does turn
the ball over like early in the game, and that's
how they fall behind. And he gets a whole bunch
of plastic yards at the end of the game when
it's over, like Trey McBride ends up with like thirteen

(01:50:05):
catches when they're getting killed. Yeah, he stinks.

Speaker 2 (01:50:08):
I mean, as excited as we are about the turnaround
the Patriots had. If you're an Atlanta fan, aren't you
so disappointed? Like thinking, you know, we're coming into the
season with Pennix and we're gonna have a good and
like and we have all this talent, and what a disappointment.
But having said that, I'm gonna go with Atlanta both ways.
Here Sunday four or five, Fox Jacksonville ten and four

(01:50:33):
at Denver twelve and two.

Speaker 3 (01:50:35):
Big game, Trevor Lawrence.

Speaker 2 (01:50:37):
We turn our lonely eyes to you.

Speaker 3 (01:50:39):
Big game, Denver by three.

Speaker 1 (01:50:42):
Wasn't this just the game you were talking about ninety six?

Speaker 6 (01:50:45):
Yeah, Jacksonville and Denver. Shoot, I'm going with Denver. I'm
gonna take Denver at home on lay the points.

Speaker 3 (01:50:57):
It's three, Denver by three.

Speaker 9 (01:51:01):
Denver wins. I feel like they play a lot of
close games, so we're gonna make it fun. Jacksonville covers.

Speaker 3 (01:51:08):
I'm gonna take Denver both ways, but Jacksonville is impressing me.
They're starting to move into Maybe they were a little
better than people give them credit for territory with Houston
and Denver. I think they're behind those two teams. But
I think Denver gets it done at home as because why.

Speaker 2 (01:51:28):
Fred they always play at home?

Speaker 3 (01:51:30):
Correctly.

Speaker 2 (01:51:31):
As I said earlier the week, the only silver lining
about Denver beating the Packers last week was the narrative
of the ANFC is not as good as the NFC. Well,
our team beat your team. If you're an NFC team, okay.

Speaker 3 (01:51:45):
Direct your best team beat their seven seed.

Speaker 2 (01:51:48):
Having said that, taking the jag Wow, taking the Jaguars.

Speaker 1 (01:51:55):
First seed window back open.

Speaker 2 (01:51:59):
Let's go Sunday four twenty five CBS. You like that out?

Speaker 7 (01:52:04):
You like that so good?

Speaker 2 (01:52:07):
Sunday four twenty five CBS. Pittsburgh eight and six at
Detroit eight and six.

Speaker 3 (01:52:12):
Pittsburgh at Detroit, Detroit by seven.

Speaker 1 (01:52:17):
Yeah, I like that number. Pittsburgh, I just I don't.
I'm not impressed with them at all. I'm gonna take
Detroit all later points.

Speaker 8 (01:52:24):
Lions Lions.

Speaker 3 (01:52:27):
Huh. So I'm gonna take the Lions both ways too.
It's gonna be one of these deals. Pittsburgh's gonna have
winning the Super Bowl, and I'm just gonna say, you know,
not very good, right, but I'll take the Lions.

Speaker 2 (01:52:39):
Now, Folks, be careful. When there's a flat number, that
means that Vegas is probably hoping for a push. And
then you ask why, I don't know. Well, they get
the big right, but I'm going to take Detroit to
cover those seven points, which means they have to win
by at least eight. That's how it works. Sunday on CBS,

(01:53:05):
the Raiders at two and twelve are at Houston nine
and five.

Speaker 3 (01:53:12):
Houston by fourteen and a half.

Speaker 2 (01:53:14):
Houston with a really easy schedule.

Speaker 6 (01:53:16):
Golly, mice, Molly, that's you know what I feel like.

Speaker 1 (01:53:21):
It's a lot that Houston's gonna beat him by that much.

Speaker 6 (01:53:23):
So I'm gonna go do the George Costanzo and I'm
gonna take the points for Vegas.

Speaker 8 (01:53:28):
I was going to do that too.

Speaker 2 (01:53:31):
It's a lot of points.

Speaker 3 (01:53:32):
Yeah, same with me. I'll take Houston to win the game,
but Vegas has to show some hard after getting shut
out thirty one nothing last week or not. No, I
could mail it in and I could lose the pick.
But I'll take Houston to win. I'll take Vegas to cover.
But if you're dipper within two touchdowns, there's any.

Speaker 2 (01:53:51):
Time for the Who's Honor? Speech? This week?

Speaker 3 (01:53:56):
You know the ship be sinking.

Speaker 2 (01:53:58):
The minority owner Brady needs to come in that locker
room and ask these people, this is your honor?

Speaker 3 (01:54:03):
Yeah, who's honor? Your honor? You forgot what your family is?

Speaker 2 (01:54:09):
Your family's honor, my honor.

Speaker 8 (01:54:12):
Now on the booter.

Speaker 2 (01:54:14):
With his Dave Garaway glasses. What is with those sunglasses?

Speaker 1 (01:54:18):
Super cool? I love so much he's.

Speaker 2 (01:54:20):
Selling time exs eighteen sixty.

Speaker 3 (01:54:22):
Who did you take?

Speaker 2 (01:54:24):
I don't know who. Oh, I don't know who. I'm
gonna I'm gonna take the points. I'm gonna take the points.
But Houston wins. Allright? All right? We skip over the
Patriots Sunday night at eight twenty, and we go to
Monday at eight fifteen on ESPN, it's the forty nine
Ers ten and four. Some people think the most underrated
team in the league at indy eight and six.

Speaker 3 (01:54:48):
San Francisco by six and a half six and a half.
I would agree that the Niners are right now, yeah, underrated.

Speaker 1 (01:54:57):
Yeah, that's why I'm gonna go with them. And I'll
lay those points against Philip.

Speaker 8 (01:55:00):
Rivers all those weeks with Mac Jones, bang bang Niner gang.

Speaker 3 (01:55:06):
So I will take San Francisco to find a way
to win the game, but i'll take the points.

Speaker 2 (01:55:10):
Really, six and a half into the Philip.

Speaker 3 (01:55:12):
Six and a half at home. But that's that's a
lot of points.

Speaker 2 (01:55:15):
Yeah, but you know, here's the thing. Rivers did well
for himself. He didn't throw up all over him, so
he great moment, did pretty well. But that's it. That's it.
They're not gonna score a lot of points and forty
nine as well. That's why they're giving him the six
and a half so they cover.

Speaker 6 (01:55:32):
I wonder how he's feeling this week after jumping back
into an NFL game like not having played one.

Speaker 1 (01:55:37):
I wonder if it's gonna be all right.

Speaker 2 (01:55:38):
Now we go back to Sunday night. It's the eleven
and three Patriots against the seven and seven Ravens.

Speaker 3 (01:55:47):
Ravens by three.

Speaker 2 (01:55:49):
Such disrespect? What disrespect?

Speaker 1 (01:55:52):
That feels a well? Right, they get three, they're home,
all right, So y'all know me, I'm wrong about all everything,
and I'm going to pick the Ravens.

Speaker 2 (01:56:00):
There you go.

Speaker 6 (01:56:00):
So, you know, maybe it's kind of a reversion power
for good. But I think it's a tough spot.

Speaker 1 (01:56:04):
For the Patriots.

Speaker 6 (01:56:05):
They're they're banged up in the wrong spots, and I
think the Ravens need the game more and usually we
get this part of the year, especially with an MVP
caliber quarterback and Derrick Henry. I think they can get
it done. But I think the Patriots hang in there
and show some spunk. But I'm gonna take the Ravens
twenty seven to twenty three.

Speaker 9 (01:56:22):
I will take New England twenty seven to twenty six.

Speaker 3 (01:56:29):
So I think of this game similarly to the way
Mike is talking about it. And the bigger thing for
me than health, because the Ravens are beat to crap
two is the desperation factor that Mike just talked about.
I don't know which Ravens team will show up. They've
had some desperate situations that they've completely laid an egg
in and it. You know, maybe this will be another

(01:56:49):
one in the Patriots that come back with a big
win and make everybody feel better. I think that there's
some pride in that organization. I think they they got
to find a way to win a game at home
and give themselves a chance in the last two weeks.
So same scorer as my twenty seven to twenty three Baltimore. Okay,
you have little faith, it's not of little faith. I
think they absolutely can win.

Speaker 2 (01:57:10):
Said I picked against the Patriots this week.

Speaker 3 (01:57:11):
Patriots can absolutely win this this year.

Speaker 2 (01:57:16):
The number, the score that came to me, twenty two
to nineteen Patriots.

Speaker 1 (01:57:21):
It's a weird one.

Speaker 2 (01:57:22):
Twenty two to nineteen. Patriots pull it out.

Speaker 3 (01:57:25):
Every once in a while, he goes Berman.

Speaker 2 (01:57:26):
Yeah. Now, I don't know if it's going to be
one of those last fourth quarter and so we still
won't have the evidence that people are looking for from
Drake May. But the team shows spunk against a very
tough Ravens team. I think the Patriots defense rises right.

(01:57:47):
You know, the Ravens will possess the ball, but you
might see a lot of threes instead of sevens, and
that's going to be the difference in the game. And
twenty two points is going to be enough. Twenty two
points is going to be enough.

Speaker 3 (01:58:00):
It's a good theory. You know they tighten up the
red zone defense and field goals instead of touchdowns. That's
a good way to win a game on the road. Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (01:58:09):
All right, Well listen, I hope we're all right. I
know that can't be possible. Well, I hope these guys
are wrong.

Speaker 3 (01:58:15):
I hope I'm wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:58:16):
Yeah, but we will have the post pre pregame show
Sunday morning. I mean no, we'll do it six o'clock. Yeah,
We're not like BZ.

Speaker 3 (01:58:28):
Oh seven seven. Yeah, I'm still in that two hours
seven seven o'clock.

Speaker 2 (01:58:33):
Scare me seven o'clock for the pregame show and then
the post game show immediately following. You guys gonna be
okay with the night.

Speaker 1 (01:58:39):
Oh yeah, we're used to it now.

Speaker 3 (01:58:41):
Yeah. It's a tough way to go into Christmas though,
I know, I know you guys. Just got to make
sure you I'm gonna be nice on the air.

Speaker 2 (01:58:48):
All right, We will see you next Tuesday.

Speaker 4 (01:58:53):
Hey, this is Evan. Thanks for tuning into the show.

Speaker 18 (01:58:56):
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