Patriots Unfiltered 12/3: Week 13 Win Leftovers, Drake Maye, HOF Finalists

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Speaker 1 (00:07):
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
The worlds of vegetal podcasts welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. I
expect them, like Evan said, to be overly aggressive. What
the hell prime time it's all about me? Let's go defensively.

(00:34):
Do we need to worry about pressure? Yeah, please stop
Paul shows from grinding my gears suggesting to you. My
advice is don't worry about it. Just don't worry about it.
Don't let them bother you.

Speaker 3 (00:48):
No, I don't know a lot of people my age
better anyway.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
I could say something, but I don't want to insult
a generation.

Speaker 4 (00:55):
It's okay, this is one that I'm leading into, So,
I mean, it might not be Jamis, but that feels
like Chane is the style to you. We won't play,
but I always just enjoy his pre postgame. My favorite
one is, like I pray to God that I can
stop throwing big six.

Speaker 2 (01:09):
You read stable coaching for his job or is it
pretty much all already? That's right? What am I talking about?

Speaker 5 (01:15):
He's done?

Speaker 2 (01:16):
Evan was kind of just lurking. People weren't going up
and shaking his hand for Brabel mentioning him by name.
This is the real.

Speaker 6 (01:32):
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Speaker 2 (01:40):
All right, welcome the Patriot's Unfiltered. It is Wednesday here
at Jill's Stadium, and uh, it's kind of a weird
Wednesday for our show because we're not turning the page.
Oh no, nothing to turn the page too, except the
bye week, which very welcome. Here in the building. Players
are already gone. Right. It's like NASCAR just coming out

(02:01):
of the parking. Couldn't get out of here quick enough.
And I don't blame them, but we've got a lot
to talk about. Do a little bit of an announcement today,
A couple announcements? Yeah, So, who wants to be the
bearer of good news to start it off?

Speaker 3 (02:17):
This is your job.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
I'll give you that.

Speaker 4 (02:20):
Well, I will start with the first news of the day,
which was that Bill Belichick and Robert Kraft are finalists
in their respective category.

Speaker 2 (02:28):
So what does that Pro Football Hall of Fame?

Speaker 4 (02:29):
So I think there were six coaches and they were
narrowed down now to one, which is Bill Belichick, and
then there are a handful of owners or contributors as well.
Robert Craft was nearrow down to that one. So they
will enter the point with the modern era players as
well as there will be the alumni, the older guys.
Three seniors who were also announced, unfortunately not Stanley Morgan.

Speaker 2 (02:54):
So I don't know.

Speaker 4 (02:54):
This process seems to get more complicated every year to me.
But they are the finalists in their category, so Bill
Belichick is the.

Speaker 2 (03:01):
But just because of the finalists in their category doesn't
mean they're.

Speaker 4 (03:04):
In, doesn't right, I don't know the exact number off
the top of my head.

Speaker 5 (03:07):
And three, it could be up to three out of
what out of those five? Yeah, there's three.

Speaker 3 (03:14):
So it's Belichick, mister Kraft, Ken Anderson, Roger Craig and
Elsie Greenwood are the five.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
The three seniors, one coach and one contract.

Speaker 3 (03:25):
And up to three. But now you don't that's the maximum.
You don't need to put anybody in.

Speaker 5 (03:30):
And they'll be in a group with the twenty six
I believe, yes, finalists, and.

Speaker 2 (03:34):
They have to get in order to get in, you
need eighty percent of the vote. Yes, and whose vote
are we talking?

Speaker 7 (03:40):
Now?

Speaker 3 (03:40):
We're talking about the body at large. I believe.

Speaker 2 (03:43):
Oh really, so the same people who are voting on.

Speaker 3 (03:46):
I believe the other people are because these committees are
the separate committees are the ones that are putting in
I see, you know, for to nominate Bill Belichick and
Robert the.

Speaker 2 (03:57):
Bill Pollians of the World and the Vic Carucis the
World and the South Platonios. They're voting on this group
as well as the current players, or I should say that.

Speaker 3 (04:07):
Peter King and okay, Peter what there's what their cigars.

Speaker 2 (04:11):
And Dutch it and writer and we will know the
results when.

Speaker 4 (04:15):
I don't think we'll know it's till like Super Bowl, Yeah,
NFL honors, Okay, yeah, okay, So it's all clear to
the news, right, Evan's excited about It's Greenwood and Pittsburgh Steeler.

Speaker 5 (04:26):
Right, there'll be there anyway when we find out.

Speaker 3 (04:30):
I love inducing Man's plains to me the Hall of
Fame process. So that was great.

Speaker 4 (04:34):
I didn't Man splain anything I asked him to explain it.

Speaker 3 (04:38):
I know, it's just great.

Speaker 5 (04:42):
I'm sincere.

Speaker 3 (04:43):
I really enjoyed that.

Speaker 5 (04:45):
No.

Speaker 4 (04:45):
I just pointed out that another Pittsburgh Steeler, which Evan is.

Speaker 3 (04:47):
I don't want to talk about it.

Speaker 5 (04:49):
I miss what's going to happen. The ten Patriots that
are then they're still letting sere gonna let the Steeler in,
but they're not going to let any of the Patriots.

Speaker 3 (04:58):
And that's exactly what's and a half and I know it.

Speaker 4 (05:00):
And there you go, and oh God, and the last
news of the day, which I could let Evan do
if you want, but Drake, Drake may may officially your
AFC Offensive Player of the Week.

Speaker 2 (05:11):
First time in his this last time in his career.

Speaker 7 (05:14):
Here.

Speaker 1 (05:14):
You know, it's crazy.

Speaker 4 (05:15):
I had to go back, you know, the last time
a Patriot won this award, you know, all the way
that to twenty seventeen. Tom Brady wont it three times
and Gronk won it once and otherwise there's been no
offensive Patriots to win it him. Maybe not all that surprising,
but I would have thought maybe eighteen nineteen Brady got
something in there, but no, he didn't.

Speaker 2 (05:31):
So congratulations Drake. I mean, Drake had a good game
to eighty two or something like that to touchdown.

Speaker 1 (05:37):
Yeah, it's interesting. I can see where the furrow brow
You're like, But what kind of is it like for him?

Speaker 2 (05:42):
It's been an average games.

Speaker 5 (05:44):
I thought that was one of his better games.

Speaker 3 (05:45):
Yeah, well he played with one of his best games,
But I thought that they were with Fred. I think
that like there wasn't.

Speaker 1 (05:50):
Like a statistically oh my god, this was the game.

Speaker 4 (05:53):
Like it's kind of like you've been doing this kid,
Now you.

Speaker 5 (05:55):
Get statistically that's about I mean to eighty it was
like five yards off his career high ten yards office.

Speaker 2 (06:01):
I think. But usually when you think of offensive player
of the week, you think of running back with two
hundred yards or quarterback with three fifty.

Speaker 5 (06:11):
I'm sorry, I thought you meant in relation to May.

Speaker 2 (06:13):
Oh no, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 5 (06:16):
Two touchdowns.

Speaker 3 (06:17):
I even got in relations to May like I think
I think that, like he didn't win it against Buffalo
when they beat.

Speaker 2 (06:23):
Buffalo, But who was the up against that week?

Speaker 3 (06:26):
I don't know how you could play they.

Speaker 5 (06:28):
I was trying to get to, Yeah, he played great
game against Buffalo too.

Speaker 2 (06:32):
The point I was trying to get to is it
probably wasn't a huge offensive.

Speaker 5 (06:36):
Week downplaying Drake May awards.

Speaker 4 (06:40):
I hear what he's saying, though, I was a little
surprised to like, no, it's just good, it's deserved. But
it wasn't like, you know, if he had three twenty
four touchdowns there, you know, it's a good look, respectable.
And I think the thing about Drake may too is
that this is like his consistent performance. It's not literally
wavering from this. He's kind of you know, two fifty
plus a couple of touchdowns and you know the note
turnovers was big too.

Speaker 3 (07:01):
Yeah, so I think he's third in passing yards per game,
but he still doesn't have a three hundred yard game, right,
which tells you that every single week he's just at
like two eighty. Yeah, every week, And I give it.
You know, they did a little bit in this game,
like that last drive in the fourth quarter, they were
throwing down near the goal line. I think we talked
about it during the game. But he's very ethical, like

(07:23):
he doesn't go out there in stat pad a whole lot.
So you know, some of these fourth quarters, like they could,
let you know, he could go and rack up eighty
yards on a touchdown, drive up three scores in the
fourth quarter, and they don't really do that.

Speaker 5 (07:36):
Do you agree with that? I think they've been in
i mean, not in control, but they've had the lead
in virtually every one of these games, and that's going
to lead to lower totals at the end.

Speaker 2 (07:45):
Yeah, you take your foot off.

Speaker 5 (07:48):
That's what kind of stood out to me in this
game because I agree with Evan. I think in general,
they've been very smart about the way that they've handled
the end of the game. And Mike Rabel has mentioned
many times after these games, it's always good to end
in victory formation with the ball in your hand, with
the ball and yeah, that's that's the.

Speaker 3 (08:05):
Phrase big on the five minute offense, the.

Speaker 5 (08:07):
Ball in your hands. Yeah. Yeah. You know. Bill used
to have those little quirks too, where people would call
it the red zone. He always called it the red area.
You know, everybody calls it the full minute offense. Verb
calls the five minute offense.

Speaker 4 (08:18):
It's like these little we call it the green zone,
which it means go as coaches they do that too.

Speaker 2 (08:24):
Yeah, all right, So that's the news and it's all good.

Speaker 1 (08:28):
It is good.

Speaker 4 (08:29):
Drake is also leading in Pro Bowl voting, so he's
you know, Drake's having a moment.

Speaker 2 (08:33):
Well deserved. It's uh.

Speaker 4 (08:35):
I continue now just not getting right back into the
grind of another game this weekend and doing everything that
we have to do to get ready for that.

Speaker 2 (08:41):
I hope I hope May doesn't go to the Pro Bowl. No, No,
he went last year, you know, because I hope we're
in the super Bowl.

Speaker 3 (08:50):
Well, do you hope that he doesn't win MVP, because
the winner of MVP never wins the super Bowl.

Speaker 5 (08:56):
But that's broken my homes did it?

Speaker 2 (08:59):
So?

Speaker 3 (08:59):
Oh right?

Speaker 5 (09:00):
That didn't go It did go back a long way
in the last Yeah, But I want him to win
the m v P.

Speaker 3 (09:07):
I do me too.

Speaker 2 (09:07):
I don't care, I really don't.

Speaker 3 (09:09):
I'm very adults.

Speaker 2 (09:12):
I want to win the super Bowl, win the m
v P.

Speaker 3 (09:15):
I'm losing sleepover.

Speaker 2 (09:16):
This is so insane.

Speaker 4 (09:17):
I literally was shook after that Raiders game in Week one,
and now we're talking about Drake Bay like leading the
league and probo voting and being and did have.

Speaker 5 (09:24):
To have a pep talk with Mike and.

Speaker 4 (09:27):
Ring your hand if you were shook after the after
the after week one, and you know, I mean it
was like, in.

Speaker 5 (09:32):
My position, behind ahead, we have we have hands in
the air behind the glass.

Speaker 2 (09:37):
In my position, I have to plan ahead. And it's
not unrealistic to think on the week of Super Bowl
we might have to cover Yes, Coach of the Year, yes,
m v P, Assistant Coach of the Year, come back players,
and several people in the Pro Bowl, and Evan probably
will be at the Shrine Bowls.

Speaker 3 (09:56):
Come Back Player of the Year Stefan Diggs, yeah, I
think that will be not nominated. That's also an award
NFL honors obviously. The Hall of Fame announcement is that.

Speaker 2 (10:07):
Nice, yep.

Speaker 3 (10:08):
So when you've unpacked this, it could be all those
awards that you just named and the Super Bowl mister Craft,
Bill Belichick, Adam Vini, Terry Rodney Harrison, and potentially the
Patriots might be there in the Super Bowl in Santa
Clara as well. I mean we're talking. I love it

(10:28):
for you and for us though.

Speaker 5 (10:29):
That's gonna awards again, that's so m v P. Yes,
Coach of the Year, Assistant Coach of the Year, Comeback
Player of the Year absolutely in play.

Speaker 2 (10:40):
What else nic people in the Pro Bowl?

Speaker 3 (10:43):
That's it. Yeah, that's it. I mean I don't know
if like Drake would be nominated for Offensive Player of
the Year and m v P, but it usually that
doesn't go to the same person, you know. I think
like Jonathan Taylor might or Pooka might win Player of
the Year and the MVP will go to the quarterback.
But it is, you know a little bit of a

(11:04):
sneaky down here to the you know player of the
Week thing. Sneaky that like last year Josh Allen and
Lamar Jackson had like fifty total touchdowns and they were
the nominees for MVP. You know, this isn't Stafford and
Drake aren't quite having those types of seasons. But it's
maybe that's just maybe the league is down. I don't know,

(11:26):
maybe even like.

Speaker 4 (11:27):
Looking back through the AFC Offensive Players a Week answer,
it's like Josh Allen, Lamar, like those guys have cleaned
up that award since like twenty twenty. It's like two
three of them every single year.

Speaker 5 (11:38):
Yea.

Speaker 4 (11:39):
So it's it's it's just a sign of him, you know,
continuing to earn that recognition that he definitely deserves.

Speaker 2 (11:45):
Right now, all right, anything else we need to get
on the table. I have a question for everybody.

Speaker 5 (11:52):
Oh oh, I like when you bring a show prep
oh questions to the table.

Speaker 2 (11:55):
I have the question, but I don't have the answer.
So that's why I answer.

Speaker 3 (11:58):
Yeah, that's why we're here.

Speaker 5 (12:00):
It a little less, but that's okay.

Speaker 2 (12:01):
No, I just want to know, like, what are you
most interested this weekend when when it comes to the games.
Oh maybe maybe we should pull up the schedule.

Speaker 4 (12:11):
Yeah, I would say, as you guys are looking at
the continuing to see how good he plays.

Speaker 5 (12:16):
I'm watching Denver because of the number one is not
because I'm terrified.

Speaker 3 (12:21):
So scared that altitude is horrible.

Speaker 5 (12:23):
Sorry, okay, just for anybody wandering out there, you know,
all four members of this show are very happily married.

Speaker 2 (12:34):
So I haven't lived in a basement since college.

Speaker 3 (12:38):
Didn't grow up and hang them.

Speaker 5 (12:40):
I haven't lived in a basement, very happily married for
a long time now.

Speaker 1 (12:46):
Even kids don't do the math.

Speaker 2 (12:48):
Yeah, I'm interested in Denver, but I think the games
of formality because they think they're going to kill the Raid.

Speaker 5 (12:54):
Well, Joe Burrow at Buffalo, that's the game, just to me,
just you know, like playing a little Devil's Advocate. They
did beat the Raiders ten to seven.

Speaker 2 (13:03):
I know it was.

Speaker 5 (13:05):
It was a Thursday night game, which I think always
as a mitigating factor, but they did only win that
game tend to.

Speaker 3 (13:11):
And their offense was they kind of had bo Nixon.
Hell in that game he had they had like ten
first downs offense defense, but very hard, right, like like
shutting down, you know, in order.

Speaker 2 (13:25):
To follow the rules. I do understand that too far,
I do, you know, in order to follow the rules,
I do understand that the Raiders had to make all
the tickets available just to Broncos fans for this game.
I'll make it as much a home game for the
Broncos as possible. Yeah, it's unbelievable, really, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (13:45):
It feels like on the road.

Speaker 4 (13:47):
Yeah, really trying to you know, challenge them maybe a
little bit for I don't know what.

Speaker 5 (13:51):
I'll be interested in that game for the number one
seed obviously.

Speaker 3 (13:54):
Bill's Bengals.

Speaker 5 (13:55):
Bill's Bengals is a is a game because I think
there's a chance that Cincinnati gets it going like they
did around this time last year, and it's probably too little,
too late for them. But if they do and then
they beat Buffalo, you know, it's it's over. I mean,
the division's over. I mean not officially, but yeah, I
know practically, well.

Speaker 3 (14:14):
I mean it's if they had Patriots beat the Bills
and anyway.

Speaker 2 (14:17):
It's over.

Speaker 3 (14:18):
If the Patriots win the game, if the Bills lose
to the Bengals, like they have to start thinking about
the playoffs, let alone winning the division. So you know
that that's definitely in play. You know, the AFC is
not exactly top heavy this year, but there's a lot
of teams that are like scrunched up in that like
five to ten range right now, that are all like,

(14:40):
you know, eight and four, seven and five, you know,
right in that range. But Bills Bengals for obvious reasons,
like obviously the Patriots are going to play the Bills
the next week and all that. But also I really
think the Bengals have a puncher's chance in that game.
You know, their defense is starting to play a lot better.
Burrows back. If the team that played the Ravens on
Thanksgiving plays Bills on Sunday, I think they might win.

Speaker 5 (15:02):
Is very limited offensively right now with all the guys
that they're missing. I don't know who's coming back. Maybe
Kincaid and Dawkins and Brown, all these guys.

Speaker 3 (15:10):
Like Dawkes will probably be back because he's just a
concussion protocol, but I don't know about uh Brown because
that that injury looked bad.

Speaker 5 (15:17):
I mean the first third down of the game against
Pittsburgh for Buffalo, Josh Allen's with the ball of Brandon Cooks,
who's been on the team for twenty minutes. Yeah, like
they're in a they're not Evan's right, they're not guaranteed
to make the playoffs.

Speaker 4 (15:31):
There's a bit of them, man, that is I mean,
it's such it's you get on one thing. Sometimes it
feel like it because you put the cart before the
horse and you say, oh, they can't throw the ball
down the field, but like they really can't throw the
ball down the field, like they just think everything is underneath,
and you can tell that it's just different. They're struggling
and that when they signed Cooks that was like that
makes total sense.

Speaker 8 (15:48):
That's it.

Speaker 5 (15:48):
I mean it's it's a good signing, but it just
speaks to how desperate.

Speaker 3 (15:52):
This and gave Davis too, just got Davis before.

Speaker 5 (15:56):
He's also getting targeted, yeah, you know, reasonably frequently.

Speaker 3 (15:59):
Yeah, I mean outside of Shakir, they they just don't
really have anything consistent. And I think that like you
see the difference between a team like the Patriots that's
been building since training camp and how they have the
same core group of guys with around Drake since training
camp and how advanced they can get from a passing
game perspective. And then you watch Buffalo and it's like
the same five plays because they only they Brandon Cooks

(16:22):
only knows five plays. So, like, you know, it's not
like any knock on their talent necessarily, it's just like
they literally haven't had enough time on task to build
an offense.

Speaker 5 (16:31):
Like, I wouldn't dismiss their chances. You know, with all
that said and their inability to throw the ball downfield
and I think it was the lowest you know, average
depth of target of his career. From that game, they
still blew out a team at home.

Speaker 2 (16:45):
Yeah, they blew.

Speaker 5 (16:46):
Out Pittsburgh, and Pittsburgh that game wasn't competitive. So even
with all of that going wrong, they still found a
way to win a game that they had to win.
So I wouldn't dismiss their chances.

Speaker 2 (16:58):
The other game I'll be interested is at one o'clock
Indian Jackson.

Speaker 4 (17:02):
I was just gonna say that one Fred, Yeah, I mean,
is Indy bounced back?

Speaker 2 (17:05):
Where are they right now?

Speaker 4 (17:05):
You've got a Jacksonville team that's been up and down,
but surgeon.

Speaker 1 (17:08):
A little bit.

Speaker 4 (17:09):
And I mean they have a real chance to get
back on top of that.

Speaker 5 (17:12):
I've seen Jacksonville a little bit and I can't think.

Speaker 3 (17:14):
Of a team can't put my finger on that team.

Speaker 5 (17:17):
Yeah, I mean maybe Mike's Carolina Panthers, But I can't
think of a team that looks better and worse at
different times. They've taken Maybe Carolina.

Speaker 3 (17:26):
They've taken the game kind of out at Trevor Lawrence's hands.
Like they're run first offense.

Speaker 9 (17:30):
Now.

Speaker 3 (17:30):
Absolutely, their run game is good.

Speaker 5 (17:32):
And there are times that Lawrence just like gets in
a groove and it's like that's the number one and
then you watch them and he's like wildly inaccurate and
Liam Cohen yelling at him on the sideline and.

Speaker 3 (17:42):
It's a bizarre It's it's a bizarre team. And like
Brian Thomas has kind of had a down year, Travis
Hunters hurt, so they're not even like getting the production
out of those guys that you were expecting. And they're
eight and four.

Speaker 5 (17:54):
You know who's been big for him is the acquisition
of Jacobe Myers. Yeah, he's played well for him and
the kid Parker Washington.

Speaker 2 (18:00):
Mister Myers, how you doing? He doesn't listen.

Speaker 5 (18:04):
Probably doesn't.

Speaker 3 (18:05):
Well, if we played the Jaguars in the playoffs, yeah, yeah,
he'll be back, even Texans at Chiefs.

Speaker 2 (18:10):
The eight twenty games some night, I mean that's a
defense against and the Thursday night games Agown to Detroit Dallas.

Speaker 5 (18:17):
Yeah, I just those schedules. I know, I don't want
to go down that rabbit hole that.

Speaker 2 (18:21):
We did yesterday.

Speaker 5 (18:22):
But Detroit Thursday night against Dallas, like it's amazing.

Speaker 2 (18:28):
Yeah, but I guess you'd rather do that, you know,
than that.

Speaker 3 (18:34):
A few years ago, like towards the end of Thursday Thursday. Yeah,
I think three in a row, three prime time games
in a row, and it was like one of them
was like Thursday Thursday. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (18:45):
So so some good games, some real stinkers, you know,
Tennessee Cleveland. I don't think I'll be tuning into that one.

Speaker 1 (18:51):
No, you know, Watson window open.

Speaker 5 (18:56):
I forgot, that's miles out at watch game right there
on game. That's what I'm saying. Cam Woard leads the
league in getting sacked. There you go, sacks taken.

Speaker 3 (19:07):
I think he only needs like three.

Speaker 4 (19:09):
Right, what is the record, like twenty twenty three something
like that.

Speaker 2 (19:13):
Yeah, it's something like that. Yeah, all right, we can
look so just you know, i'd ask what people are
going to be paying attention to this weekend.

Speaker 5 (19:24):
And you saying all those games that we mentioned.

Speaker 2 (19:26):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm looking for out of the ordinary.

Speaker 5 (19:29):
Yeah, it's a decent, decent slate.

Speaker 4 (19:31):
Yeah, that's a good slights much better than last week
twenty two and a half, straight hand and watt TJT.

Speaker 2 (19:36):
So I knew the players I was watching last weekend,
and we kind of redid our Infinity lineup and kind
of carved out some stuff that we didn't want and
we didn't know it. But doing that, we didn't get
the We got an NFL network, but we didn't get
the NFL Round Zone anymore. But from what I understand,
it's now littered with ads.

Speaker 5 (19:56):
Yeah, just screen exaggeration, is okay, I saw that same
thing that you saw today. They do periodically pop up,
but you don't ever lose.

Speaker 2 (20:07):
The Oh okay, it's just the commercial mind that you
barely don't mind that.

Speaker 5 (20:14):
Yeah, and I agree with Mike at this point, you've
seen it enough that doesn't you don't really even notice it.

Speaker 4 (20:20):
There are dead points in red zone for everybody. You know,
there are points where like we got to just go
right now to the.

Speaker 5 (20:26):
Less time for Scott Hansen to be misidentifying people in situations.

Speaker 3 (20:29):
This last Sunday, like the one pm window was not
great anyway, and so they you could tell that they
just loaded up all the ads in the one pm
windows so that once they got to the better games
at four they could have didn't have to throw to
the comer. It's not that bad.

Speaker 2 (20:44):
It's the way you read it. It was like they
were going away.

Speaker 4 (20:47):
Yeah, people are outraged about it, and that's one I
don't really get out.

Speaker 5 (20:50):
I am not necessarily saying it's not going to be
an issue down the road like when ESPN fully you know,
takes it over. And I do want to if they'll
make any changes.

Speaker 4 (21:02):
Yeah, you know that commercial two box and keep the
keep the stream up of.

Speaker 5 (21:07):
Red Zone annoying, but you can live with it. Yeah,
it's no more annoying than when they do that regularly.
You know, they go to the squad box.

Speaker 4 (21:16):
You know what I was thinking watching Red Zone this
week was like Scott Hansen on a long time without talking,
and I was like, I wonder if he's like on
a bathroom break, like what is you know, sometimes the guys,
I gotta I just I gotta go, like you have
to run off the stage.

Speaker 2 (21:25):
Really, he might have one of those things.

Speaker 5 (21:29):
Hour starts.

Speaker 3 (21:31):
I think I worked with him at NFL Network and
might worked like.

Speaker 2 (21:35):
His piss boy.

Speaker 3 (21:37):
Yes, I mean like I'm not going, I'm not gonna lie. Yeah,
like you know, rich Eyes and waters and stuff like that.
You know, but it was I did like two or
three Red Zone Sundays. He doesn't move. No, he doesn't move.
There's a bathroom behind him, behind the wall.

Speaker 5 (21:56):
It's a lot like Paul on Red Stones.

Speaker 3 (21:58):
I don't move either, bike he I mean maybe maybe
once maybe, but yeah, he does the same thing. He
comes in on the mornings, he eats breakfast, and he
has his binder, research binder, so he.

Speaker 5 (22:12):
Does he does research and still makes all those mistakes.
I'm sure.

Speaker 2 (22:20):
I'm he's fine. I think he does a good shit.

Speaker 5 (22:24):
Say this all the time. It's absolutely a me issue,
just and it's I think you're just jealous you want
to do that. It's the thing that Mike always says,
like he Mike just has this look that he looks
at me and just shakes his head as if to say,
how on earth do you know that, and I it's
a me thing. It's just there, random things that are

(22:44):
Like when a guy's makes a play and it's a
number for a team, I almost almost immediately know who
it is, and he almost never seems to know who
it is. He just misidentifies the guy so much.

Speaker 4 (22:56):
Well, you spoiled it now for me when I watch it,
because every mistake is.

Speaker 5 (23:00):
Again, come on, he's one of the one.

Speaker 2 (23:03):
If you're a fantasy player, that man has been all
I care about his seeing the highlight.

Speaker 5 (23:06):
It's also the excitement of the mundane, you know, the
over the top enthusiasm for like a third and six completion.

Speaker 3 (23:15):
Very upset by.

Speaker 2 (23:16):
This, God forbid.

Speaker 3 (23:19):
Out of all the people that I worked, he was
one of the best. He's at the top of the list. No,
it's better than Colleen.

Speaker 5 (23:27):
This is not about personal Like I've never met Scott.
I know I have, and I like which that's all.
So your other guy that used to get waterspo.

Speaker 3 (23:38):
Oh, yeah yeah, waters coffees.

Speaker 5 (23:42):
Pens.

Speaker 3 (23:42):
Pens was always big, like you always had in my pockets.
I would just have like ten pens because these guys,
you know, they they'd never have a pen, so they're
like you have a you have a pen like, Yeah,
seventeen of them.

Speaker 2 (23:55):
I've done that.

Speaker 3 (23:56):
Just it was the best awesome two years.

Speaker 2 (23:58):
All right. We had a lot of emails coming in. Wow,
it's really it's it's crazy. I love this show and
I love our listeners. They were always ready to engage
good stuff.

Speaker 5 (24:11):
Thanks for keeping us at the top of those rankings.

Speaker 3 (24:13):
Yeah, thank you.

Speaker 4 (24:14):
Yeah, right, appreciate all the with the Spotify's that would
This is where.

Speaker 5 (24:18):
I needed you and Evan to sort of fill in
the gaps. You know me, I just know randomness. I
don't know the specifics you got.

Speaker 4 (24:25):
You got a couple of tweets at you of people
sharing their top listened episodes.

Speaker 2 (24:29):
Yes, Todd and Rochester, says Fred. I'm surprised you've not
mentioned the timing of the Patriots by coming at a
Monday night game, meaning players are finishing the game at
midnight instead of say Sunday evening for a one pm game,
one less day almost two before playing Buffalo next. I
say this with your Patriots versus everybody talk and the
NFL hates the Patriots had on I listen to snarky

(24:52):
Paul's response.

Speaker 10 (24:53):
No, I don't know them yea, other than the Giants
had the Giants. Yeah, this is they hate the Giants too,
So there it is.

Speaker 5 (25:03):
It's a little snark.

Speaker 2 (25:04):
Okay, that's right.

Speaker 9 (25:07):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (25:07):
Spotify just released their yearly wrap up today. Yeah, we
get those this time of year. They just wanted to
share the time I've spent with the crew. I've never emailed,
nor have I called, but I love the new crew nonetheless.
Thank you for carrying the fan base through the Mac
Jones era and being the highlight of my Tuesdays through Thursdays.
So this is Patrick and he spent ten four hundred

(25:31):
and fifty seven minutes on Spotify listening to our podcast.
I'm sorry, top three percent fan. So I've gotten a
lot of those and I appreciate next year. I guess
if you listen to Spotify, you get an email at
the end of the year about how many minutes you've spent.

Speaker 3 (25:47):
How many over ten thousand minutes you're an expert on this, Yes, yes,
thank you, that's ten thousand.

Speaker 2 (25:54):
Doing the math, so it's uh one hundred.

Speaker 1 (26:02):
I started to do it and then I was like, wait,
what minutes.

Speaker 2 (26:06):
Three d and sixty minutes a week time?

Speaker 5 (26:10):
Hey, francessa let's go one two all right anyway, free.

Speaker 2 (26:16):
So good stuff. Always always like to get those emails
from people. Eight five to five past five hundred is
the hotline. Let's go to Dan, who's at exit one
forty five off the Garden State Parkway. What's up Dan?

Speaker 11 (26:33):
Thanks Red, this is kind of a Wednesday before the
buy topic. I'll let our his thoughts to well deserve
bouquets around this scene in this season, I've listed you
so great job with episode one on the eighty five teams.

Speaker 2 (26:47):
Thank you enjoyed it.

Speaker 11 (26:48):
Looking forward to.

Speaker 4 (26:49):
Episode two Monday, coming Monday.

Speaker 12 (26:53):
Okay, great.

Speaker 11 (26:53):
I know you couldn't go into with any death, but
you didn't touch on it. And I've done some research
into you know, football, both football especially never took off
at Boston before the Patriots and the reason those three
NFL teams and there was actually a couple of AFL
teams too mixed in there. The reason they didn't stick.
And even then after the Patriots came and it took

(27:17):
a little while, even after they moved to Foxborough's shadow
of the Bruins and the Sock, there was really kind
of a saturation point we reached here with kind of
damp in the markets for both football even you know,
even pro basketball didn't take root in Boston really until

(27:37):
you couldn't ignore the Celtics anymore. And of course if
you like both football, you always had the Giants. But
even beyond that, going back to the thirties, you had
good football being played here on Saturday, usually one school,
whether it was b C. Harbord, Northeastern, even Paul and
my Terriers ranked sometimes. Yeah. Well, and there are other

(28:01):
factors like this thing the Globe had for pro football
in the thirties and forties. But I think it's between
the Red Sox, the Bruins and Eastern college football. There
just wasn't much need for a pro football team here
until you got to the late fifties, when you know,
the NFL really took off. Anyway, That's that's how I.

Speaker 2 (28:20):
Had Thank you very much, all right, thanks Dan. I'm
not sure the point of that, but no, I mean,
you look at places like Cleveland, all right, they love
their Browns, the Browns they used to be good before
the NFL. But the reason why those fans are so
hard it's a tradition that your father brought you into

(28:41):
and Boston never really had that tradition except for the
Red Sox, you know, and that's you know, the Patriots
weren't even on every Sunday because they were blacked out,
and so everybody watched Giants game and everybody became Giants fans.
You didn't have those traditions in other sports like you
do in Ohio in Texas. But once they started getting good,

(29:07):
like in the seventies, they built hockey rinks because of
Bobby Orr and the Bruins, yep. And then Bird came
around in the eighties. And now things have changed because
we've had a history of some good, good teams. But
back then, like like he's right, there was really no
need for a pro sports interest because there wasn't a
tradition like your dad wasn't watching, so you didn't watch.

Speaker 3 (29:29):
Well, it's really the Celtics that what was your guy
Bob Cooseys them drafting Bob Coozy and him being a
Holy Cross guy and you know, being a local kid
like him, and Bill Sharmon like basically put the Celtics
on the map, and then they got Bill Russell and
then it really took off in the sixties. But it
was really the fact that Kozi was a local kid
and went to holy Cross and holy Cross is a

(29:51):
wagon back then in basketball. And then you know, he
went to the Celtics and and that was kind of
what started the Celtics history. I've watched like way too
many Celtics documents.

Speaker 5 (30:02):
But yeah, that's right.

Speaker 3 (30:04):
That was pretty much what the Celtics would happen. And
then obviously Bill Russell comes and they turned into the
best team of the sixties.

Speaker 4 (30:09):
And yeah, it's interesting because that's what happened with the
Patriots and Brady like, even though they had some success
the Patriots seventy six, seventy eight, eighty five, it was
isolated and it wasn't a star superstar players. I mean,
they had some superstars, but you know, like you said,
you're pointing out the players like Bobby Yore and Koozi
and Russell, and it seems like you really need those

(30:30):
superstar players and some sustained success to really get the
Claws in fans.

Speaker 13 (30:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (30:36):
And I think the other problem with the Patriots was,
like you said, sustained, but the ownership was always never
solid and people really didn't like, am I really going
to get behind this team? Yeah? And then when Robert
when they brought in parcels in ninety three that really helped,
and then Kraft bought it local guy, so people are like, Okay,
I'll buy those season tickets. They're not going anywhere, let's

(30:59):
support them now, and you know the rest is history.

Speaker 4 (31:02):
As they said, I mean, Robert gets so much mileage
out of being a former season ticket holder, Like just that,
I think, just make connect with the real fans, and
especially like you said, I was like the crappy fan
experience that everybody had in the eighties, I think was
for me like, well, this guy knows what it's like
to sit on those ice coool bleachers and you know
all that, and he has the fans in mind when

(31:24):
he's starting to build the team, so he's it's been
such a key part of his ownership.

Speaker 2 (31:29):
I feel like yep. Steve writes in Hey Fred, not
difficult to notice that you read emails from the same
people all the time. Sick of listening to the same
moron's opinions. Mix it up a little. I don't have
the memory Paul does or the talent you induce do,
but trust me, I could give you all a run

(31:49):
for your money talking sports. Here's an idea one hour
a week. You should have a guest fan appear on
the show, battling Paul for a Patriot's trivia show. Alex
could host lots of fun Steve in the North Country.
I try it, no, I honestly, I try to mix
it up. But if the email's not good, I'm not
going to read it, just because it's somebody I haven't

(32:10):
read an email from.

Speaker 13 (32:12):
You know.

Speaker 2 (32:12):
So there's certain people I guess that seem to know
what to write that gets my interest. I also like
during the show, if we're having a conversation, I try
to scan if someone's emailing in about what we're talking about.
I try to get that in there. But yeah, I
try to get new people in. But write something good
and I'll read it with good grammar.

Speaker 3 (32:32):
It's really hard.

Speaker 5 (32:33):
It's really hard to do it.

Speaker 3 (32:35):
It's really hard to host the show and mondumails emails
at the same time.

Speaker 2 (32:38):
Well, if it's just two of us, I couldn't do it.
Be really hard.

Speaker 5 (32:43):
But I can.

Speaker 2 (32:44):
While you guys are talking, I can be scanned.

Speaker 5 (32:46):
That's what I always tease you. When we're talking about
something and they just say, whatever it is that we
just talked about, and I make fun of you. But
I know why you didn't hear it. It's because you're
reading four or five emails trying to figure out what's
relevant to our conversation, right, I think not an easy
thing to let me.

Speaker 1 (33:00):
Think we've all done both these roles.

Speaker 4 (33:01):
But it's like, it's so different than to just sit
here and be like, yeah, see us up, Fred, what
do you got?

Speaker 1 (33:05):
You know, rather than like, all right, I gotta get
the phones.

Speaker 4 (33:07):
I gotta make sure there's no Dalai and then all
of a sudden there's dead air and.

Speaker 5 (33:09):
You're like, it's it's not as fun.

Speaker 2 (33:12):
So Steve, it's not. I'm not trying to favor anyone,
just so you know. It's just it's just the way
it is. Herms in DC, what's up?

Speaker 11 (33:19):
Herm Hey, what's going on?

Speaker 13 (33:22):
Gentlemen?

Speaker 2 (33:23):
How you doing all right? Hearm?

Speaker 13 (33:27):
So two quick questions.

Speaker 14 (33:29):
But before I asked my questions, I did want to
give you guys some props, right, because I think nowadays
with sports content is people just.

Speaker 11 (33:40):
They make it obvious, right and just chase it clicks
and just.

Speaker 13 (33:43):
Saying outrageous stuff.

Speaker 3 (33:44):
I never do that.

Speaker 14 (33:46):
Please, please do not change the tecreator show just stated
where you are, and just keep them what you're doing.
The first question is, and I Apolgast talk about it
in a show, but why is it that Robert Kraft
is now getting I guess close to being more into

(34:09):
the Hall of Fame? I mean he had what tension,
bold appearances.

Speaker 13 (34:11):
It wasn't say.

Speaker 2 (34:14):
Well, he's come close before.

Speaker 14 (34:18):
Okay, I guess that's moves to me done.

Speaker 2 (34:20):
Yeah, No, he's come close before. They just keep changing
the criteria and how they're doing it. And for a
while he had no chance because they mixed in coaches
would seem you know, so it was all mixed up.
Now they've separated again, so now he's got a you know,
a chance to get in again. But I agree herm
when you look at the other owners that have gone in,
he should have been long before this, Pat Bowling, I mean,

(34:43):
come on, yeah, it's it is And I don't know,
but hopefully he gets in this time.

Speaker 14 (34:51):
Second quick question, and obviously I don't want to keep
bragging on Tom Kurrm, but if you got to help
me understand why he would have traded down from picking
Drake freaking May intellect.

Speaker 2 (35:08):
J J.

Speaker 14 (35:09):
McCarthy, Minnesota, Yeahcary nine and that goes back to my
point I made earlier right chasing, just like clicks and
takes right. That's one of the reasons why I got a.

Speaker 2 (35:25):
Chance to amend that.

Speaker 3 (35:27):
Well, I would just say, and I didn't agree with
him at the time. I don't agree with him now,
but the logic behind it totally sounds there. It was
an argument that we were having at a time like
the Patriots had a ton of holes on their roster.
They needed a lot of different things. So if you
could have added like two first round picks and the
eighth overall pick and then just drafted JJ McCarthy or

(35:48):
Pennix or something like that and get the capital on
top of it, I wouldn't have done it, But I
it wasn't totally would.

Speaker 5 (35:57):
Have done it because I didn't really like JJ McCarthy
right exactly. But if JJ McCarthy was what he was
supposed to be, like kind of like a Tom Brady
NFL ready guy who played for Harbaugh in Michigan and
it has a pro background, you know, then it's an argument.
It's a discussion. I liked Drake May from the start,
so I could be like Evan and and Mike and

(36:19):
we could the three of us could go around and
you didn't like we could wait, Yeah, we could wait
about Drake and everybody's face and safe.

Speaker 2 (36:26):
We were right, you were right.

Speaker 5 (36:27):
No, that's not right.

Speaker 2 (36:28):
At the time, I can understand the argument. Absolutely, he's
still saying that he would have done that. No, okay,
that's all I care about. No, No, and I mean it's.

Speaker 3 (36:36):
And it's worth saying. At the beginning of the season,
he did say he would take JJ.

Speaker 15 (36:40):
After the Raiders game, After the after the first game,
when McCarthy was terrible the whole night and then had
a great fourth quarter, everybody started saying, well, this is
the kind of stuff that McCarthy showed, and blah blah
blah blah blah.

Speaker 5 (36:52):
And no, obviously he hasn't done that since, and he's
been hurt. His availabilities is in question. I just I
think too often we look at these now. Is Drake
made the MVP candidate, How could anybody have thought about
trading down from him? I think it was a rational
option at that time. At the time, the guy who's

(37:13):
never played a snap, I didn't I didn't want to
trade down. Evan didn't want to trade down. Mike didn't
want to trade down. We all liked Drake Man.

Speaker 3 (37:20):
And most importantly neither de Delliot Wolf and Right And
for all the things that went wrong in the twenty
twenty four season, I don't think he ever wavered from
from sticking and picking Drake May.

Speaker 5 (37:32):
And I think that it's easy to sit there and say,
and my boys do it all the time, like we
all was an easy call. He was that they you know,
the third quarterback on the board was available at number three,
you take them. And I would agree with the identify
the identification of May, I would agree with that was
kind of easy and fell in his lap. The question
would have been if May had gone in the top two,
would he have taken one of the other two or not? Right,

(37:56):
But there is definitely a question that Evan just mapped out,
are you better off taking uh, you know, multiple draft
picks and taking one of the other quarterbacks? You know,
what would the Patriots record be if it was if
it was bow knicks?

Speaker 13 (38:12):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (38:12):
And no, I think I think you can make an
argument that you you would have won you know, seven
or eight games with bow Knicks. I mean the rosters
not well. All apologies to our Denver listeners. Denver has
also one of the easiest schedules in football, which is
the point I was trying to make yesterday. There's a

(38:34):
reason that those teams win so many games. When you
play against a lot of middling teams to bad teams,
you're gonna win more often than not if you play
with good coaching and uh, you know, you find a
way to take advantage of bad football.

Speaker 1 (38:49):
Yeah, I mean, I mean wrong opinions.

Speaker 4 (38:52):
Now that there were guys like Orlofsky who weren't as
high on May and thought he was going to need
time to develop. And if he really was a guy
that was going to need two years to develop, and
I'm hearing that, then I'm seriously considering.

Speaker 5 (39:03):
And Tom Current in particular, again not to you know,
like HERM said, not to make this a Tom Current
bashing session, because I think Tom does a really good job.
Plus I'm a little afraid of him, and I don't
want the head buddy. But with Tom, like he was
a big advocate of they're not ready to take a quarterback.
The roster's not ready, not talented enough around him to

(39:24):
take a quarterback, which I don't another argument that friend,
and I think all of us were against, but there's
logic to that argument. It doesn't mean just because we
don't agree with it doesn't make it wrong. It's a
different way of looking at it. I feel like the
quarterback is the hardest thing to get, it's wrong, and
when you have an opportunity to get it like you

(39:45):
did in that class, I think passing up one of
those six guys, to me, would have been reckless. To
draft Marvin Harrison junr, which a lot of people wanted
to do. You know, Joe Alt another one tremendous player,
Joe Walt, Yeah, right, you know a lot of people
wanted a lot of people do the draft before the

(40:06):
quarterback right where you drafted, draft the players, then get
the quarterback later.

Speaker 3 (40:10):
Right, draft Joe Wall, draft this guy, and then in
twenty twenty five, draft the quarterback.

Speaker 5 (40:14):
And I think there's a lot of examples of teams
that have tried to do it that way that are
still looking for the quarterback.

Speaker 3 (40:18):
Yeah, and I'm not saying this to like Victory Lap,
but I think that the it was very clear to
a lot of people that that quarterback class was really,
really good, and you don't get that every year where
there's three legitimate Like I think that Drake May, Jayden Daniels,
and Caleb would have gone number one overall if they
were in separate drafts, right, Like, if they each were

(40:40):
in three separate drafts, they're probably all three of them
were number one overall pick caliber prospects. And we see that,
you know, last year, I didn't. It wasn't really a
you know, cam Ward goes one overall, but cam Moore
would have been the fourth rated quarterback out of those
three guys. So when you had that opportunity, you just
you had to take it. And I think that was

(41:01):
really the consensus that in the end. But that's why
I want him to win MVP so bad guys much
as I want him to win a Super Bowl too.
Like when you when you evaluate the player, you know
he's good. There wasn't a it wasn't one hundred percent
for everybody that not everybody thought that he was good,
and then he goes and wins an MVP in his
second season, Like that's.

Speaker 2 (41:21):
Yeah, all the tools.

Speaker 4 (41:23):
I mean, he had all the tools, you know, and
there were some inconsistencies in his game, and I just
think he deserves so much credit for cleaning that stuff
up and you know, not having those game changing turnovers
that the brain farts, and again going back to the
beginning of the season and was like is he progressing?
But then all of a sudden after that loss to
to you know, the week three.

Speaker 3 (41:40):
Even fixing the sacks, Like even though the sack.

Speaker 5 (41:44):
Rate is going down, it's definitely gone down.

Speaker 3 (41:46):
So like now, like first it was turnovers, he has
the Pittsburgh game, gets that out of his system. Then
we make a big deal for a couple of weeks
about how many sacks he's taking, and now all of
a sudden it's been like one or two the last
like two or.

Speaker 2 (41:57):
Three Rember, they keeping the eyes downfield game. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (42:01):
Well, I mean early in the season too. I think
I remember watching J. T. O'Sullivan and just you know,
talking about his pocket awareness and movement, and I remember
in the early part of this season thinking, is he
can be able to get this right? You know, it's
it's not something that's easy. I just some part of
it feels innate to me. I think Brady was innate
on just knowing where one little step to the left.
And I'm sure we talked about it on the show,

(42:22):
but that to me it's just been remarkable, the stepping
up in the pocket, the little step to the left
and then still firing it, you know, and you still
see moments of little inconsistent but it's not game changing inconsistency.
It's like, oh he had a guy or you know,
if he just stopped, you know, but just so small.

Speaker 1 (42:36):
It's it's it's hard to even pick.

Speaker 2 (42:38):
The economy of his footwork compared to when he first started,
i mean, the number of steps he has to take
to get out of trouble and just make that move,
compared to last year, where you know.

Speaker 4 (42:49):
Remember last year we talked about all the time his footwork.
That was like, i mean a weekly topic on the
Drake May footwork.

Speaker 3 (42:54):
You know, just he would drift in the pressure a lot.

Speaker 1 (42:56):
Yeah, even drifting the pressure that was the quote.

Speaker 5 (42:58):
That was the Yeah.

Speaker 3 (43:00):
Now he like he would hitch up into the pocket
too much, so he'd be hitchit chit chit right, is
somebody's lap right. And now he's just you know, really
good at staying back in the pocket. And when you
have that kind of arm talent, you don't need to
like get all the momentum moving forward. You can sit
back a little bit, and he's got that rip through
move now at the ball that is like kind of

(43:22):
become his sickness, skipping.

Speaker 1 (43:23):
Ripe, skipping ripe.

Speaker 5 (43:25):
I like that came up with that, right, and I
think it perfectly describes what he does.

Speaker 13 (43:30):
He did it.

Speaker 5 (43:31):
He did it in the Cincinnati game for Hunter Henry's stay.

Speaker 16 (43:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (43:35):
One one quick thing, you know, talking about the footwork,
Go back and look at week one, his first touchdown
pass of the season to to Mario Douglas in the
end zone and watch his footwork on that play and
see how bad it is. Yeah, and then watch some
of the throws that he's made since. Like something changed,

(43:56):
he just got it.

Speaker 2 (43:59):
Evan, will you down playing playing at Denver? How important
it is? I never do that. Oh now, Neil and
Utah thinks you were. Evan is underestimating the impact of
playing at altitude without proper acclimatization.

Speaker 3 (44:11):
I think the Patriots should practice on the top of
Mount Washington.

Speaker 2 (44:14):
Yeah, pretty cool, not high enough and the deafening crowd noise.
Alex tried to set him straight with the home slash
road splits, but sounds like Evan is not convinced. I'm
not talking about our history there. My first Denver nightmare
was eighty four to two per Flumbo. I'm just looking
at six fact loss. I'm just looking at facts along

(44:35):
with Seattle that is the loudest stadium in the league.
Measurable fact, no incorrect, just forcing fact, just forcing silent
counts is a victory for the Denver pass rush, and
they're almost guaranteed a couple of false starts each game.
And while I understand Evan's confidence and Vrabel to prepare
the team, Vrabel can't change the baron metric pressure. And

(44:56):
you can't acclimatize with an extra day at altitude. For
acclimatization takes weeks, not a day or two. Crowd noise
like crowd noise and altitude measurable advantages. Denver's talent doesn't
scare me, but that environment does.

Speaker 3 (45:12):
Okay, So here here's here's a couple of things, and
I guess we're gonna do this, So we'll do it, okay.

Speaker 2 (45:17):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (45:18):
What I was trying to talk to Alex about, because
you know he he's with the emailer, and what I
was trying to tell Alex was like, maybe you guys
disagree like he did, is Denver's record at home really
good because Denver's had some really good runs as a team.
Or is it really good because they're they play at

(45:38):
five and eighty feet? Like were they hard to play
because John Elway was their quarterback and Peyton Manning was
their quarterback for a period of time?

Speaker 5 (45:49):
Or were about or were they? And maybe Danny canell
is at your larger point because when you look at
like the Paige the home records in the NFL since
two thousand, the New England Patriots have the number one
record in the league since two thousand because Tom Brady
played here for twenty years.

Speaker 3 (46:08):
I love ji Lett Stadium. Is it this great home
field advantage?

Speaker 5 (46:11):
Not a tough place to play?

Speaker 3 (46:12):
Right, It's just because the team was really good? And me,
I'm not saying that I necessarily like, I'm not trying
to say that it has zero impact. I'm just saying,
is this like it's a correlation versus causation thing, Like
is it hard to play in Denver because of the altitude?
Or is it hard to play in Denver because Denver's

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had some good teams and a great quarterbacks.

Speaker 5 (46:35):
I would agree with your Lodger point, And I think
Belichick used to spout that a lot, like, you know,
what makes them tough to play? There is and he
would rattle off the names at the time.

Speaker 2 (46:45):
Whatever they were.

Speaker 5 (46:48):
I would say that, would you admit that Denver is
a you know, maybe they're a good team right now?
Like I'm not calling them great, I'm just saying, you know,
they've won a lot of games, they're good. So I
do think that that environment and that oddity of their
altitude makes them a little better in that building.

Speaker 2 (47:07):
It helps.

Speaker 3 (47:07):
I would also it makes a good team, maybe very good.
The other thing that I would just say, like to me,
altitude is an element. Right, It's like coming here in
January and it's snowing Miami early in the season. It's
Miami early in the season, so to me, and this

(47:28):
happened for twenty years where a Chargers team would come
here and they'd freeze their butts off. What was is
they couldn't play in the col So if the Patriots
go to Denver and they lose and the excuse is
that they couldn't breathe because of the altitude, I'm going
to say that's an excuse. Oh yeah, I don't right
like that, that's not, but it's a reason.

Speaker 2 (47:48):
But it is just a little thing in their favor.
I mean, like, sure, you know Miami wears white when
they play down there because of the sun.

Speaker 5 (47:55):
Sam, is that what you do that?

Speaker 2 (47:57):
Because okay, why not do it?

Speaker 3 (47:59):
Exactly?

Speaker 11 (47:59):
Why not?

Speaker 3 (47:59):
But my point is that it's nothing more than just that. Yeah, right,
you know, it's Miami's heat in September, it's our winters.
It's Buffalo's wind in winter, right, like it's not.

Speaker 5 (48:10):
It's an element. Winter has helped us win even in
the heart of like like the Brady dominance.

Speaker 4 (48:15):
Putting, the putting the temperature up, you know, like that
stuff like ac game against Peyton Manning when he's you know,
in d coming here as a weather team was a factor.

Speaker 3 (48:26):
It's a factor. I'm just saying that. I think that
the players in the and the the teams on the
field and who had who's better that day at football
is more of a factor than than mile hot.

Speaker 2 (48:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (48:40):
The Patriots are.

Speaker 4 (48:40):
Three and oh in Denver since the twenty fifteen AFC
Championship Game.

Speaker 5 (48:44):
So okay, now they both started four and seven with
Brady and Belichick.

Speaker 1 (48:50):
Yeah, well, without Brady they're one and one.

Speaker 5 (48:54):
No, they're one and ow yeah, they'd they'd bed the
Chad Ryland field goal.

Speaker 3 (49:00):
That everybody is still pissing. So that's the other element
to this that I'm not gonna lie to you like
I was at that game run when Bailey ZAPPI beat Denver.
Bailey Zappy can beat Denver in Denver, and he can
and he can survive the altitude, and.

Speaker 5 (49:15):
I want to you that was a terrible Denver team
and a terrible Patriots totally right.

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Speaker 19 (51:30):
Christian, how good was it to start the way you
guys started? How much talk was that going into this
game about getting off to a fast star You just
certainly showed a lot of energy from the beginning of
the game.

Speaker 4 (51:41):
Yeah, it was.

Speaker 9 (51:41):
It was.

Speaker 20 (51:42):
It was good to get out there and get a
get ahead of them quick and then be able to
play from from ahead. I mean that's always good. You know,
Shout out to the offense, Shout out to Marcus. You
know that that always sparks a lot of momentum. I
think each game he's he's returned to touchdown. That sparked,
you know, offense and defense. So that's that's a big

(52:05):
part of a weapon we have. So I mean, as
a defense is always either get the ball to Drake
or get the ball to to Marcus. So you know,
it was it was a good win, good good way
to come out fast. And finish the game.

Speaker 21 (52:22):
Christian, how would you describe the impact that Marcus has
on the team. I mean we saw it out on
the field, but even going into the locker.

Speaker 2 (52:29):
Room as well.

Speaker 9 (52:30):
Yeah, for sure, he was voted captain for a reason.
He has a voice and he uses it.

Speaker 20 (52:37):
You know, everybody, you know, we look to him, you know,
especially in the secondary, we're kind of all, you know,
we're real close in the secondary. So he plays a
big role. Being Nickel, He's got to travel around, he's
got to do a lot of things. A lot of
things are are you know, on your plate while you're
playing Nickels. So but I mean he handles it amazing.

(52:57):
And you know, being in the locker room, he's one
of the most energetic guys in there. At eight in
the morning, he's in there smiling, laughing, joking. Sometimes I
gotta tell him, all right, Mark, you got to calm
down a little bit. But no, he's he's amazing. So
it's awesome, you know, him being in the in the
back seven for sure, hand on the team.

Speaker 22 (53:19):
Hey, Christian, you guys established a physical tone right from
the outset of the game, but there was a period
of time when emotions started to spill over a little bit,
some extra pushing and shoving. There was personal fall in
the giants still on the sideline. What was Mike Vrabel's
message to you guys in those moments tonight or the

(53:41):
or the message in general in terms of keeping your
composure as opposed to losing it?

Speaker 9 (53:48):
Yeah, for sure. I mean it's football. Things like that
are going to happen.

Speaker 20 (53:52):
You know, everybody on the field is super competitive at
what we do, and like I said, things like that
are going to happen.

Speaker 9 (53:57):
And it's just you know, if if they get you,
you know, you feel like it's late.

Speaker 20 (54:03):
Just you know, he always tells us, don't retaliate, then
just get them the next play, you know, take.

Speaker 9 (54:08):
It out on them when you it's legal and you're
able to do it.

Speaker 20 (54:11):
So I mean he's got they've got as well coached
too to play within the white and the whistles.

Speaker 19 (54:19):
So yeah, Christian, Mike has been wanting his quarterbacks to
be careful going out, you know, along the sideline there
because you're in play. What did that hit from Christian
do for you guys as far as emotion goes to
get you guys?

Speaker 20 (54:33):
Kind of going a little bit more Oh yeah, that
that sparks some energy, especially on their sideline. It was
it was a good hit, clean legal hit. So I mean,
you know, we just can never relax on the football field.
So but Ellis was able to you know, go over
there and make a play and you know, they retaliated
and it helped us even more so spark momentum. And

(54:57):
it's always fun, you know, being on defense that that
you know, you got linebackers that are going to go
up and hit like that.

Speaker 21 (55:06):
Just after what you went through the last two seasons
wins and losses wise, how what is this experience like
and and why like why is it happening from your
view that the team has happened so much success.

Speaker 9 (55:19):
Yeah, I mean I think a lot of it goes
to just this. This team is so close.

Speaker 20 (55:26):
I mean I've spoke about it from the time Phrase
came in and sat us down in here and told
us he's going to build a you know, we're gonna
build a connection. We're gonna build connections and you know,
get close as a team. You know, we we got
real close. And I mean it's just able to help
us out on Sundays, Mondays, Thursdays whenever it is and

(55:48):
our identity just being out there, go play physical and
just as a team, go out there have fun.

Speaker 9 (55:55):
I mean, at the end of the day, you know,
we get to.

Speaker 20 (55:57):
Play a kids game for for work, so just you know,
going out there with that joy. You know, he always
preaches go play with that joy and that that you know,
that fun you had as a little kid. So it's
been amazing, but you know, we gotta keep going.

Speaker 9 (56:13):
Appreciate you.

Speaker 3 (56:22):
And now great moments in.

Speaker 2 (56:27):
History.

Speaker 5 (56:27):
I'd rather be Damien Harris than Jake Bailey.

Speaker 2 (56:30):
Damien Harris are barely dressed for games.

Speaker 5 (56:33):
I'd rather be Haave. He's a player, he's a football player,
but he doesn't play. I don't care. I'm not a punter.
I'm not the you know, everybody a ring. But he
asked me which one i'd rather be. I would take
you one. If I had, you know, to choose between
what I'm doing now with you morons, I'd be the punter.

(56:56):
But if I choose between being a real player and
a specialist.

Speaker 2 (56:59):
Plus being the running back for even just ten plays
hurts a lot more.

Speaker 5 (57:03):
Oh yeah, what do you want?

Speaker 2 (57:07):
What do you.

Speaker 5 (57:09):
No sacrifice?

Speaker 2 (57:10):
No pain?

Speaker 5 (57:11):
Oh yeah, you're just playing.

Speaker 2 (57:12):
All the sudden Son Paul's newt Rockney over here with
the sacrifice.

Speaker 5 (57:17):
That's another great moment, all.

Speaker 2 (57:22):
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Speaker 4 (58:01):
I think like stops mid email with exasperation about I
don't know what he's saying punctuation please, Like, I'm trying
to reward you for emailing and then you know I
didn't have a chance to prove for it it ahead
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(58:21):
you hit like a lull and you're like, oh crap,
and I'm just going to jump in on an email
and then you realize you're on like a total turn
of an email.

Speaker 5 (58:28):
I can't believe that.

Speaker 2 (58:29):
So help me out, help me help you. Dominic's in
New York on the hotline. What's up, Dominic? Dominic? Oh,
I know I'm holding on for a while, but you
know that's the way it is. You must persevere. Jason's
in Canada, what's up, Jason?

Speaker 16 (58:47):
Hi, guys, thanks for taking my call. Sure, first time,
long time. I have a little pretend kind of question
for everyone except.

Speaker 2 (58:58):
For having Could.

Speaker 16 (59:02):
Michael want you, guys to pretend that you're the owner
of the Patriots and you're very hands off the team.
You're just the money. And Mike Frabele comes up to
you and says, I need thirty plus million dollars to
sign Christian Gunzalis. So you go back and watch the

(59:22):
film this year. What's your response there?

Speaker 2 (59:26):
You go, I think I would do it.

Speaker 3 (59:27):
Yeah, Well, why can't I answer because I'm caring that
you know too much?

Speaker 16 (59:33):
Somehow he's managed to cover every receiver on every play.

Speaker 13 (59:38):
All the time.

Speaker 3 (59:39):
Oh okay, yeah, seemed like a shot. I didn't really
understand that, but okay, So.

Speaker 2 (59:44):
Jason, is there a sort of reason why you're asking
because you thought that maybe we would say no, don't
do it, or do you not think you should do it?

Speaker 16 (59:54):
Just watching more games this year, he doesn't strike me
as a top tier thirty million dollar corner. He's making
all the tackles, but he's also letting them catch every
pass first every pass.

Speaker 13 (01:00:08):
Well, I think.

Speaker 23 (01:00:10):
That's that's good this year.

Speaker 16 (01:00:12):
I find that he has been in years prior.

Speaker 5 (01:00:16):
I think you've been a little I think you're being
a little hard on Gonzales. And I would probably say
on this show, I'm probably the least enthusiastic when it
comes to Gonzales, and I would say he's a terrific player.
But to say that he gives up and catch every
time it just makes the tackle, I don't think that
that's accurate.

Speaker 2 (01:00:34):
And then how many times the quarterbacks not throw his
way because he's gone.

Speaker 5 (01:00:38):
I think he gets targeted really infrequently, and I have
to think that's at least part of what Fred's talking about.
So what if I told you that I told you
I'm not supposed to answer, but thirty what if I
told you that his completion rate into his coverage is
lower this year than it was last year. Yeah. I
don't think that they've thrown at him a tremendous amount

(01:00:58):
this year. Yeah, you know, just volume wise. I don't
see him around the ball a lot this year.

Speaker 3 (01:01:04):
I do think that the system adjustment has been an adjustment,
and I would agree with Jason that they play a
lot more zone now than they have in the past.
And I don't know if he's a great.

Speaker 2 (01:01:19):
Okay, okay, sung a play a little devil's advocate here?
Do you play somebody? Do you pay somebody over thirty
million dollars based on that?

Speaker 5 (01:01:29):
Yeah? I would so. I think he's one of the
best corners in football.

Speaker 3 (01:01:32):
I agree, and but I think that the tiny weeny
bit concern is if this is the system that they're
going to play, and you want zone corners that have
instincts in ballhawking ability, that tackle, well, like, it's just
not it's not exactly his style of play now.

Speaker 2 (01:01:50):
I do think he's at a tackling I think.

Speaker 4 (01:01:53):
To its repertoire, he seems to be catching on to
Paul he's been really good tackling.

Speaker 5 (01:01:58):
This one specific tackle that he he's excellent. Ad we
saw it Monday night when the guy catches the ball
and he's not and no one knows he's there and boom.

Speaker 2 (01:02:06):
I disagree.

Speaker 5 (01:02:07):
Marcus Jones is a really good tackle, right, that's a
defensive back.

Speaker 2 (01:02:10):
Can be true. Both can be true. They're both good tacklers.

Speaker 5 (01:02:13):
I don't think that Gonzales is a really tackle. I
think he dives at ankles and uses and rolls his
shoulder over backwards.

Speaker 2 (01:02:20):
I don't care how he does it.

Speaker 5 (01:02:21):
He gets them down, not generally the guy for the
touchdown he was involved in that the other day.

Speaker 3 (01:02:27):
I think that that's the question, is you know he's
an excellent player?

Speaker 5 (01:02:32):
I agree?

Speaker 3 (01:02:33):
Is he this style of corner that they truly in
their heart of hearts want And if he's not, are
you going to still pay that guy thirty million dollars
a year to be a little bit of a round
peg in a square hole.

Speaker 2 (01:02:48):
You can play zone and still have you can play
what they call man zone. You can have a guy
I like this, you know, taking taking on their best
receiver and still play zone.

Speaker 3 (01:02:58):
So nowadays in the league, you don't see a whole
lot of spot drop zone because quarterbacks are there too good,
So you don't see a whole lot of just we're
taking an area, country, spot drop, whatever you want to
call it. Traditional zone coverage. Most coverages in zone now
has some sort of match principles because it's just these

(01:03:19):
offenses and these quarterbacks are just too sophisticated and they're
too good to just play traditional zone. So there is
that element like when you're on the outside, like it
might be Cover three and it might be zone, but
you're man to man on your guy, right. But I
think the difference with this defense is it's a lot
more a disguised zone, like they like to spin the

(01:03:40):
dial in zone coverage, mix up one high, two high looks,
things like that. And I could see between that and
the fact that I agree with Paul he's not the
most physical corner. That's the devil's advocate, you know. Argument.

Speaker 5 (01:03:55):
Yeah, you know, I would say, and if we can
go back to and I know you'll remember when Stefan
Gilmore first got here.

Speaker 3 (01:04:03):
Yes, yep, I've talked about this a lot on cakeshwink.

Speaker 5 (01:04:06):
Oh okay, yeah, so yeah, I don't I don't have
to repeat it, just I think they played a lot
of zones early on and he didn't look great, and
they sort of got back to I kind of in
the back of my mind think there's going to be
some changes defensively, you know, more consistently when these games
become more and more important as we get down the stretch.

Speaker 13 (01:04:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:04:26):
So the Buffalo game in we five, I'm sorry. So
they played forty percent man against Buffalo in Week five,
and that was the first kind of like, Okay, what's
your playoff game plan? Like this is a big game.
It's Sunday night football against the division rival, Like what
are you going to do? And what they did was
they manned up right, they played man to man and
that Gonzales was back.

Speaker 2 (01:04:45):
And was that also to make sure they had the
run taken care of?

Speaker 3 (01:04:49):
Maybe, but I think it was more that they knew
that Buffalo's receivers were limited and they thought they had
a clear advantage with their their corners are better than
Buffalo's receivers because it.

Speaker 5 (01:04:58):
Can be a little counterintuitive to pay a lot of
man against Josh Allen. So they obviously felt coverage wise,
I agree with with Evan. I think they felt like
that was a big game and they used kind of
a different wrinkle.

Speaker 4 (01:05:11):
Yeah, I enjoyed listening Evan talking because I think this
is a point, a debate point that's coming and I've
been wondering about it, and you know, I would also
clear it up for you now, not cleared up, but
there the tip of the is he the aggressive, you know,
like does his personality work against him?

Speaker 1 (01:05:27):
And like I still err on the side of what
Evan got.

Speaker 4 (01:05:30):
The point I was going to make was when you
get to the like caller, wait until you get into
the good games and the teams that you need to
be able to man up. You're gonna want a guy
with elite athletic talent that can man up guys. But
I do think that this is like a debate that
we're going to talk about, are you going to fork
over a boatload if there are some things that you
don't love it?

Speaker 2 (01:05:50):
And also are we seeing Gonzales said is one hundred
percent right now? Like is this hamstring kind of nagging him?

Speaker 4 (01:05:57):
I mean I've seen no sign to say that is
the case. But I think everything evn't said with the
more zone, you know, the just the playing temperament, and
I do think he's improved his tackling, But at the
same time, I just don't think that.

Speaker 5 (01:06:14):
I don't think that you don't sign a guy that
you think is one of the better players in his position. Yeah,
I just don't think that's good practice.

Speaker 3 (01:06:22):
I also think that you land on an elite corner,
and you know, I would like to think that in
the off season and this season, I think it's obviously
gone way better than anybody could have expected. But this
is more about like setting the foundation of the program
and getting this thing up and running. I think that
they could probably be more man heavy and be better

(01:06:42):
in man coverage with Davis and Gonzo and Marcus Jones.
So I wonder if in the off season, you know,
does Zach Korr get in the lab with somebody that's
really a man background, and like, do they try to
find ways better ways to cover in man to man
Because I've had my gripes with the way that they've
done it, and so I wonder if maybe they you know,

(01:07:05):
get better at it, you know, in the off season
and they kind of I mean, it's schooled a little bit.

Speaker 5 (01:07:10):
What are we talking about, like just you know, off
the top of our head, there's no research here. But
like you know, Ctan Stingly, you know, I don't know
if Sauce is still in that echelon. I think he's
kind of slipped, you know, recently. I don't know Terrell
in Atlanta, AJ Terrell J C. Horns pretty good in Carolina.

(01:07:31):
Like where else are we looking like for a guy
that that you think you feel better about that guy
than Gonzales.

Speaker 3 (01:07:39):
I think you're the only two that have the case.
Are Stingly in certain is the best corner.

Speaker 5 (01:07:44):
So I don't. I don't, and I'll never understand this.
For as long as I do this, I'll never understand
why fans ever look at it from a money perspective.
I understand obviously why teams do, but I never understand
why fans will look at it and say, I don't
want to pay that guy thirty million. Why you think

(01:08:06):
he's one of the best five players in the league
at his position? And I think five is conservative. As
Evan just said, He's goingly get two, right, So one
of the five best players in the position, you got
to pay him the going rate. That's the going rate. Now,
I can understand. I don't want to pay just to
throw a guy out there toua as a top ten

(01:08:26):
quarterback in the league, because I don't think he's a
top ten quarterback. You know, it's not about the money,
it's I don't think he's that good. I do think
Gonzalez is that good. I think he's one of the
best in the game at his spot. So I'm going
to pay for that. I want to pay for that.

Speaker 4 (01:08:42):
Yeah, So I'd also highlight two thousand and eight to
midway through twenty twelve is a cautionary tale. When this
was the approach was, let's focus on the front seven.
We can just get guys like Tyrone Wheatley to play
zone corner.

Speaker 5 (01:08:55):
And you know those I could player that hits at
corner right and you and will hire and so then
in what happens in twenty twelve, they say, hey, we
got to be able to manage Julian Edelmans go and
get a keep to leave, and then it's to leap leaves,
you go get revis. They went from Salem to t
Leab with a black hole of wasted possibilities at cornerback, yep,
because they didn't have anybody who could cover the bottomatic.

(01:09:18):
No matter how great Brady was at some point the
other team outscored them and they went home.

Speaker 3 (01:09:24):
Yeah, that that's I mean, when you play the league quarterbacks,
you can't just sit in zone coverage there. And if
you try to play a league quarterbacks in disguise, like
they don't care about the disguises, the disguises isn't going
to throw off Patrick Mahomes or Josh Allen in a
playoff game, It's not gonna matter. Yeah, So, like if
you're gonna you have to play man to man because
usually with man like it's more about can the receivers

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get open at that point than it is about like
can the quarterback read it out and like find the
open guy. Yeah, So I mean that that's we'll see.

Speaker 2 (01:09:53):
That wait on the playoffs.

Speaker 4 (01:09:55):
Like it's it's a really good I mean, I'm glad, great, great,
great question, Jason.

Speaker 1 (01:09:58):
This is something I've been thinking about.

Speaker 4 (01:09:59):
But let's wait till after playoffs and see how they
use Gonzalez and what Gonzalez does in the playoffs, because.

Speaker 1 (01:10:05):
I think that's where it might have a difference. You
see his true value.

Speaker 5 (01:10:08):
And I would say to Jason, I'm not blind. I
think there's a chance that they don't resign them portrade them. Yeah, yeah,
I mean I think that. Yeah, like he doesn't get
the extension that he's going to be eligible for for
the first time, will be in this offseason, and I
wouldn't be and it is I think I'd be disappointed,

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but I wouldn't be stunned by it.

Speaker 1 (01:10:30):
It's just the fifth year option, year two they got
to decide on.

Speaker 4 (01:10:32):
Ye.

Speaker 3 (01:10:32):
Yeah, but it just it does seem like their defense
is built from the inside out. Like it feels like
they they like, what's more d line, you know, linebacker,
Like that's really where they want to build it in
the front.

Speaker 2 (01:10:46):
What's more likely they pay him probably at that time
the most any corner makes in the NFL, or they
franchise him. Oh ah.

Speaker 1 (01:10:57):
I mean it's interesting.

Speaker 4 (01:10:58):
It's just how does this regime approach those kind of things,
you know. I Mean there's part of me they've been
very aggressive with, you know, trying to sign big name,
talented guys to big deals.

Speaker 1 (01:11:07):
So I wouldn't be surprised if they did the connect cash.

Speaker 5 (01:11:10):
Yeah, the extension would be the more likely thing they
ain't going to get to franchise because he'll if they
don't sign him for three years. Like he's out.

Speaker 3 (01:11:18):
It's Michael Parsons.

Speaker 2 (01:11:19):
Yeah, he's out.

Speaker 5 (01:11:20):
He's not going to sit around for two full seasons
and then get franchised in the third season. He's not
going to do that quiet I mean he'll do it quietly, Yeah,
but he'll be bitching about it.

Speaker 1 (01:11:30):
But is there any I mean, this is a money question,
but is there consideration?

Speaker 4 (01:11:33):
You got Drake coming up too, and he's probably gonna
be the highest paid quarterback in the league.

Speaker 2 (01:11:36):
It's all part of it. But like I think he
can have both.

Speaker 5 (01:11:39):
Yeah, thanks Fred, you know, see that's one thing that
we've come to I think he can have come to agree.

Speaker 2 (01:11:45):
To wear that.

Speaker 3 (01:11:46):
You can definitely have balls. But it is part of it.

Speaker 5 (01:11:48):
As Felger says, give me a nap and I'll show
you how.

Speaker 3 (01:11:51):
I mean, I'm talking about a sixty million dollars a
year quarterback.

Speaker 5 (01:11:55):
Yeah, he's going to be he's going to be one
one of the Yeah, he's going to be one of
the highest paid quarterbacks. And Gonzale is gonna be one
of the highest paid cornerbacks. So that's why I will
not be stunned.

Speaker 2 (01:12:05):
Who is amazing agent.

Speaker 9 (01:12:09):
We know.

Speaker 2 (01:12:12):
I do, but I do you know you're not telling no,
you can't think of it. Yeah, I can't think of
it because I can hear you know Lass down well,
you know when Tom bra stopped. Stop. We're not taking
that deal. U. Let's go back to the phones. Christians
in l A. What's up Christian?

Speaker 12 (01:12:32):
Hey you guys happy Wednesday?

Speaker 1 (01:12:35):
Wednesday?

Speaker 2 (01:12:35):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:12:37):
Like everybody else?

Speaker 12 (01:12:41):
No, not like I never like anybody else.

Speaker 5 (01:12:44):
Drake A sorry Christian. That's my faulty.

Speaker 12 (01:12:48):
I could be I got I got to two points,
and then I want to play a roundup group and
try to get.

Speaker 5 (01:12:56):
Paul on three stumped the stumped the grump.

Speaker 7 (01:13:00):
Hey, I'm in okay, So first first before stuffed the
grump to two points, I think we have to get
some sort of delated flowers to Gerard Mayo.

Speaker 12 (01:13:11):
And and Milt Milton. What what was our Joe Milton
last year? I think if g Mayo does not decide
to go for the win and Joe Milton does not
decide to play his best game and and win, we
get the number one pick. And I just do not
think we would have picked Drake may at the number
one spot. Ruminate on that.

Speaker 5 (01:13:37):
May did not get drafted in that draft. Will Campbell
did Will Campbell?

Speaker 12 (01:13:41):
I'm sorry, I mean, if we get the number one pick.

Speaker 13 (01:13:43):
I don't think we picked Will Campbell as the.

Speaker 12 (01:13:46):
Number one pick, but I think we have a full
different sort of lineup on the team.

Speaker 3 (01:13:50):
I don't think they would have picked number one overall.

Speaker 5 (01:13:52):
I mean that that's possible.

Speaker 13 (01:13:54):
You would have traded.

Speaker 5 (01:13:55):
They might have and they might have been able to
trade down get more picks and gotten Will Campbell.

Speaker 2 (01:14:00):
Yep and others.

Speaker 5 (01:14:02):
That's what I'm saying, got more picks and Will Campbell
or like, I mean, you could have picked somebody else. Yeah,
maybe you got on Membu later on down the road.

Speaker 2 (01:14:10):
And so what are we saying here?

Speaker 12 (01:14:14):
So now, I just wanted to get the mails some
flowers for trying to win and not giving us that
number one pick. But Will Campbell, who knows that you
would have picked them?

Speaker 2 (01:14:24):
Drum mail?

Speaker 5 (01:14:26):
The number one pick would have been valuable. It's not
a good thing. It's not a good thing that they
didn't get the number one pick. Well, it never is,
all right, So we agree on that, all right, stump
the group. Sorry, but I'm sorry.

Speaker 3 (01:14:41):
Saying Drake may the wrong draft.

Speaker 2 (01:14:43):
People complain.

Speaker 5 (01:14:44):
Christian remains one of those things that's inexplicable. How many
people you know, I'm not This is not picking up
Christian because he's one of a lot who have confused
those two years. I don't know how.

Speaker 3 (01:14:58):
Because we blurred them all out.

Speaker 2 (01:14:59):
Yeah, ms in North Carolina, Hey, Sammy.

Speaker 13 (01:15:05):
Yesterday was a good stuff.

Speaker 9 (01:15:07):
Edmond came in.

Speaker 13 (01:15:07):
He made it a great show. He really got me
fired up.

Speaker 5 (01:15:11):
Passion yesterday.

Speaker 13 (01:15:13):
You know what I mean, don't We don't make the
schedule right now. I can tell you the fourteen games
we're going to play next year, and then the rest
of them fall in place. We earned this last place
schedule and we're kicking everybody's boat. Milton game away from
the noteboin n next year, we're playing the e f
C West in the NFC North. I can guarantee you

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can go boot that. And then we played six games
in the AFC East. Obviously, like it's it's not our fault,
but the silver linings in it is. We didn't just
go blow everybody out. There was actually some games in there.
They got a little bat assisted. When we played the
big dogs, they showed up, they grabbed their balls and
they went home. You know what I mean. On the

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road like, I mean, this team is for real. I
don't care what anybody say. Don't tell me that the
Giant said multiple double digit leads in the fourth quarter
and lost them and then say, oh, well it was
the Giant. I don't want to hear it. You told
me they had multiple double digit leads. You know what
I mean?

Speaker 5 (01:16:11):
The Giants think I told you that before the game.
That's why I picked the Pages to win by two touchdowns.

Speaker 13 (01:16:18):
Yeah, I did three tags. I'm just saying. Everybody was like,
you can't say one thing, and anybody lets the Giants.
I know it was the Giants, but we didn't we
didn't make the schedule and we were going into the
batle on a Monday night like that's the that's the
place to lay down. But now they grabbed their balls,
they knocked the end off their helmet and make them
the Food York Giants. And you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:16:38):
I know what you mean.

Speaker 9 (01:16:39):
Sam.

Speaker 2 (01:16:39):
I'm with you, Hey, and I just.

Speaker 13 (01:16:43):
Watching the shows names with games. What if we call
them games incomplete?

Speaker 2 (01:16:47):
Key?

Speaker 13 (01:16:50):
I take it.

Speaker 5 (01:16:51):
I hold on, Sam, No, I didn't hear the question
anding about the Chief. Great. I didn't get the Chief.

Speaker 2 (01:17:00):
I was coughing, and I didn't hear the question. Joseph Pennsylvania, Hey, Joe.

Speaker 12 (01:17:07):
Hey, guys, love the show.

Speaker 23 (01:17:10):
My question is dis about the can't do that and
mental All Pro? Yeah, selections, and like Drake May that
we're talking about him m VP. He's number one in
Pro Bowl voting, but so is he almost like a
shoot in them for All Pro?

Speaker 5 (01:17:25):
I would think, But I would think he's got a
really good shot for All Pro. But Stafford could get it.

Speaker 1 (01:17:31):
That's an ap thing, right, like one I believe.

Speaker 5 (01:17:37):
So I believe last year Lamar Jackson was the All
Pro in John And yeah, why can I not think
of Josh Allen MVP? Yeah, it is possible.

Speaker 3 (01:17:46):
That was the first time in a while that they
haven't been in lockstep. Usually it's the same voters, so
it really doesn't make any sense.

Speaker 5 (01:17:53):
It's almost like they wanted to get Josh Allen on
m v P and then they said, but really Jackson
had a Betty.

Speaker 2 (01:17:59):
Yeah, Well, I like maybe in the spirit of what
an MVP is, you can make the argument.

Speaker 5 (01:18:06):
Yeah, I don't think it's that iological. I don't think
it's that illogical, but yes, I would if May wins
m VP. I would expect him to be the first
team All Pro, but.

Speaker 3 (01:18:15):
At least be first or second team.

Speaker 5 (01:18:17):
It's not a lock. Yeah, and to me, first team
is the only team.

Speaker 23 (01:18:20):
But the other day I saw like with top ten
voting for cornerbacks for a f T wise it team,
Marcus Jones was the second a f T and Gonzalez
was number three. Do you think do you think Marcus
Jones is going to make it as a corner for AFT.

Speaker 2 (01:18:35):
As a corner?

Speaker 3 (01:18:36):
Yeah, so I was trying to I don't think the
Pro Bowl does is I AP might do slot corner,
so they might differentiate outside corners and slot corners because
I think they do the same with receivers too. Now
there's three receivers instead of two the receivers, so if

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I'm right about that, then Marcus Jones says the FOT
corner specifically definitely has a case to be an All Pro.

Speaker 5 (01:19:04):
Yeah goodner. Yeah, yeah, I mean I think he's an
All Pro punt returner. So just like do you make
can he make All Pro at jet.

Speaker 3 (01:19:13):
Two spots on the same side of the ball, like
they put him as defensive end and that linebacker and
he makes the All Pro team in spots.

Speaker 2 (01:19:21):
Yeah, you have to be pretty good to do that. Thanks.

Speaker 3 (01:19:23):
Joe was like Khalil Mack and his Prime or something
like that.

Speaker 2 (01:19:27):
Mike and Florida. He says, why fans worry about money?
You know, we say, well, what are you worried about it?
At your money? He says, And it's not because they
care about the money, but because they consider a big
expenditure on the wrong guy slash overall scheme versus other
guys out there that might be better for the team.

Speaker 5 (01:19:44):
So so you don't want the player, right, Yeah, that's
not why. I that makes total sense to me. I
that email makes total sense to me. I think he
might not be a scheme fit or you know, that's
why we walk away from Kyle Duggar because we didn't
think he was necessarily the right fit the scheme.

Speaker 2 (01:20:00):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:20:00):
I worry about money because I understand that everything has
a budget. Sure, so like if you're a given.

Speaker 2 (01:20:06):
That means you can't get something else you have to
consider it.

Speaker 3 (01:20:09):
I don't worry about the money for any other reason. Besides,
it's a business. And like you realize that someday you
wake up and realize, like this isn't a never ending
piggy bank here that just keeps going and going.

Speaker 5 (01:20:20):
No, but that's like we're talking like the cash out
kind of thing. Yeah, in a particular time, like they
they put out a lot of cash this particular off
season they have they did. Yeah, you know, I know,
you know, the narrative is how cheap everybody is around here.
But they the Patriots spent a lot of cash this
off season on a lot of free agents. I don't

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think it's probably likely that they do it again this
coming off season because of what Evan's talking about. Everybody
has budgets. Yeah, that's cash out. That is not like
it's not like, oh, we can't sign him to a
you know, a five year deal because our cap is
going to be in a bad situation. No, it's this
one particular year. It might stop you from getting three

(01:21:04):
other guys that you might have wanted to get because
I don't have the cash to lay out as signing
bonuses which are going to entice a free agent. That
is different.

Speaker 1 (01:21:13):
Scares me.

Speaker 4 (01:21:14):
Scares me because I think looking at the schedule next
year and how the team will be viewed by the
rest of the NFL, I think you need to take
a big step forward this offseason.

Speaker 2 (01:21:22):
I think you cannot think, oh, we got from the
super Bowl.

Speaker 1 (01:21:26):
Yeah, from the super Bowl.

Speaker 4 (01:21:28):
It's like oh three where you went and got Corey
Dillon and I know, and maybe not a money, but
you continue to evolve and change the equation. Whereas if
I think, if this team tries to stay pat and
you know, and they have a lot of these guys
coming and they have holes, but you have to you
have to improve, I think in the spring with the
roster because teams are gonna be gunning for you next year.

Speaker 1 (01:21:49):
The schedules tougher. You're gonna have to play betters.

Speaker 5 (01:21:51):
Yeah, and I'm not suggesting they're not going to.

Speaker 1 (01:21:54):
But you're right, you're right.

Speaker 4 (01:21:55):
And I think that it puts some pressure on guys
like Ellio Wolf and Ryan Cowden into identify good players
like they did this year.

Speaker 5 (01:22:02):
Weren't going to make Williams like twenty six million a
year like Milton Williams. Yeah, I'm not expecting that. Yeah,
I do what I mean, I'm not expecting they're going
to set the market out of that. He was the
highest paid defensive tackle in trade.

Speaker 2 (01:22:14):
Agent.

Speaker 3 (01:22:15):
I do wonder though, if it is like one splash like,
do they make that one trade or that's a J.

Speaker 8 (01:22:21):
Brown?

Speaker 3 (01:22:21):
Yeah, a J Brown, you know something like that.

Speaker 5 (01:22:24):
I would not rule that out. Yeah, I would not
rule something like that.

Speaker 3 (01:22:27):
It's funny you read my mind, Paul. If I had
to pay it, put a guess on who it would be,
it would be him.

Speaker 13 (01:22:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:22:33):
I like the trade. I like the trade.

Speaker 13 (01:22:34):
Thing.

Speaker 5 (01:22:35):
I'm not saying I'm eliminating departability of them improving because
I think that they're I don't want to go down
this rabbit hole again, Okay, but I think Mike is
trying to say, and I'll say, get harder because because
you're nicer than me, I'll just say it. Okay. I
don't think that they look at this team as being
as talented as some of the other teams, and they
think if they just sit tight and stand pat that

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won't be good enough next year when the the level
of competition increases, so they're going to need to get better. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:23:05):
And then there's also think that they know that the
thing working in their favor is you have Drake may.
Now you have some reasons for people to want to
come here, so maybe that can help grease the wheels
a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:23:13):
But because they get better. They could have been thirteen
and oh this two, but.

Speaker 3 (01:23:18):
Drake May and you know that's why like A. J.

Speaker 5 (01:23:21):
Brown comes up right and they lost to the Raiders.
You don't think they could have been better than eleven
and two.

Speaker 2 (01:23:27):
You can't win them all.

Speaker 5 (01:23:28):
I understand seven, And I'm just saying they lost to
like one really bad team and one really mid team.

Speaker 4 (01:23:35):
But I just I think I need to say it
right now. And this is somebody probably they could very
likely have a worse record next year, but be a.

Speaker 5 (01:23:42):
Better team, no doubt. We say that all the time.

Speaker 2 (01:23:46):
Yep. Zach and Sinsey wanted to highlight the fact that
with Gonzales playing, the team is not lost, not that
he gets all the credit because over all the defenses
performing well as a unit. Runde missus Milt. Looking at
the rest of the season, including playoffs, it seems that
Christian has a clear advantage on other teams wide receiver ones.

(01:24:07):
We could go on a stretch where the best wide
receiver we face is Courtland Sutton. What wide receiver matchup
scares you, guys? The inevitable Super Bowl matchup against the Rams.

Speaker 4 (01:24:17):
Yeah, yeah, that's right though, I mean, but I just
think Gonzales generally is an awesome athlete. And whether you're
asking him to man up one of the best wide
receivers in the game or an average wide receiver, He's
going to do a pretty good job.

Speaker 1 (01:24:30):
And you know, I got a lot of confidence.

Speaker 3 (01:24:32):
I like, I don't worry about him. I worry about
how they use him, like I do. And I'm not
saying that in like, no, I guess every run of
the mill coordinator. But like he brings up Pooka in
the Rams in the super Bowl.

Speaker 1 (01:24:46):
Like Devant Adams.

Speaker 3 (01:24:47):
Sean McVay against Zach Korr in the Super Bowl is politely.

Speaker 5 (01:24:53):
You know, he can't change to all his owness, So
so like you know, like what what he's really the
way you switch it up? What is it look like
if he goes up against Sean McVay, if he goes
up against Andy Reid, if he goes up against Ben Johnson.

Speaker 2 (01:25:09):
You know, like.

Speaker 5 (01:25:11):
The pregame might have Zach Korr going up to Sean mcface.
Where do you have guys in motion? Three tight ends? Awesome?
Those three tight end look.

Speaker 3 (01:25:24):
Through the sea gas.

Speaker 1 (01:25:26):
You should have had like Bill on the inside with
fit what you store for you tonight.

Speaker 3 (01:25:31):
We changed our whole defense going into this game.

Speaker 2 (01:25:33):
You have no idea. Joby writes in uh back to
the Denver Conversation. I moved from Boston to Boulder, Colorado
in the late nineties and stayed a few years before
departing to California. I was a bike racer, and when
I first got to Cali, I crushed other writers in
my category. I think the Bronco players may have an

(01:25:55):
aerobic advantage over sea level players that may come into
play at times. So we're saying that, like the Olympic
teams train there right, Like that's where the West Olympic
headquarters systems. Yeah, there's a reason why I will tell
you my story about going to Colorado and biking and no,
oh should I tell this biking? Why not?

Speaker 7 (01:26:14):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:26:14):
So back in the nineties, I was working on this
other project. We wanted to start this business for getting
all the national governing bodies of Olympic sports onto one
website so fans could go and blah blah. So myself
an Olympic silver medalist named Eric Flame. He was a
silver medalist in long and short form speed skating. Only

(01:26:36):
guy to ever do that. And this other guy, Rob Kramer,
who raced bikes. You know. So the three of us
went out. We met all day in Colorado Springs with
the different national governing bodies, and at the end of
the day, I said, you know, we had a good day.
Let's go rent some bikes and we'll go out, you know,
biking in these mouth boys. Boy, fifteen minutes in, I've

(01:26:59):
already gone over the hand handle bars. My my my
chest felt like it was going to come out of
my body. And I was just like you guys, just go.
I just couldn't do it. I couldn't breathe. That was
blood everywhere. Man, It was just like, go just go
flip the handlebars. Yeah right anything? No, No, I just
my face and my knuckles. What was the name of that,

(01:27:21):
Eric Flame?

Speaker 5 (01:27:22):
No, but the company that is not the U cast
on US Teams, US teams.

Speaker 2 (01:27:29):
People called the Musty, but it was called US Teams
and Brian Moore used to go US it was US Teams. Yeah,
so we were trying to do it was but the
burn is real and fact then this this is you know,
like thirty years ago. So it was I didn't I
wasn't like I am now. I was in decent shape,
and my lungs were burning burning.

Speaker 1 (01:27:51):
What about the Olympic guys where they they were like,
you know, so I so.

Speaker 2 (01:27:55):
I was just kind of like after they left, I
was just kind of pedaling along on the flat lands
and I see them up on the cliffs and they're
like jumping from one thing to it, like they're doing
all this stuff, no problem.

Speaker 19 (01:28:06):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:28:07):
I walked around Denver and I felt I walked start out. Okay, yeah,
I walked around. I I literally remember walking around Denver
on Christmas Eve morning on the phone with Jess being like,
it's not that bad.

Speaker 5 (01:28:20):
I don't know what everybody's talking the same thing that
she's talking about. The first time I was in Denver,
I walked. I was like, I'm so rated.

Speaker 2 (01:28:27):
What are they?

Speaker 5 (01:28:28):
I never I never even jogged, let alone run.

Speaker 1 (01:28:31):
It's making me think though, how high? But I was
joking Air Force Academy.

Speaker 3 (01:28:35):
Is that in Colorado Springs?

Speaker 5 (01:28:36):
Colorado Springs?

Speaker 1 (01:28:37):
So is that also a mile high or is it not? Quite?

Speaker 7 (01:28:39):
Like?

Speaker 2 (01:28:40):
I don't know, Yeah, it's up there.

Speaker 3 (01:28:42):
We're all so worried about this that I think we
should go early. Fred. I think the team should fly
out on on like Wednesday.

Speaker 2 (01:28:50):
It takes more than that.

Speaker 3 (01:28:51):
Oh god, we're never going to win in Denver.

Speaker 2 (01:28:54):
Cursed wow, it's six thousand.

Speaker 5 (01:28:57):
Oh my god, how do they.

Speaker 3 (01:28:59):
Even breathe up there? It's unbelievable because his life pilots
well air Force like their football records.

Speaker 1 (01:29:04):
Really closer to the sky is what the thinking is.

Speaker 13 (01:29:07):
But I mean I.

Speaker 4 (01:29:11):
Pregame skate and my feet hurt. I had to get
up there. But but we played two games then the
next day. In the day after that, I didn't really
notice any Oh yeah, I was an e leade athlete though,
of course, well especially.

Speaker 5 (01:29:22):
My point manning p P too.

Speaker 2 (01:29:24):
But Mason Lay wonder, I'm just wondering. You know, in
hockey you do shifts, so maybe because you do shifts,
you have that chance to recover where.

Speaker 5 (01:29:34):
It's the key.

Speaker 2 (01:29:35):
It's it's get that rotation.

Speaker 1 (01:29:37):
You're out here, get this off.

Speaker 5 (01:29:41):
I'm sorry, well too.

Speaker 3 (01:29:43):
I watched nikolay Yok run down that floor in Denver,
all very fast, and he's very out of shape, and
he still manages to do it.

Speaker 1 (01:29:51):
Basketball players are weird.

Speaker 5 (01:29:53):
It doesn't even jump. Come on, he doesn't exert any He's.

Speaker 3 (01:29:57):
The best player player of all the time.

Speaker 2 (01:30:02):
All right, let's go back to the phone. We'll go
into Mark in Connecticut.

Speaker 6 (01:30:08):
Hey, Mark, Hey everyone, happy bye week.

Speaker 5 (01:30:11):
Yes Mark, oh HIV.

Speaker 6 (01:30:14):
And I tried to catch you on the catch twenty two.
But everybody else can chime in on.

Speaker 16 (01:30:18):
This as well.

Speaker 6 (01:30:20):
You know, it would be awesome to have a number
one receiver, But do you think that it would mess
with the chemistry in the locker room, because right now
we have a really good abundance of a whole bunch
of twos and threes I call them for receivers, and
they met really well chemistry wise with Drake may do
you think by bringing in a pre Madonna that that

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would mess with it?

Speaker 3 (01:30:42):
I think if they did it this now, like in season,
like if they've done this at like the deadline, yeah,
then I think that would be different.

Speaker 5 (01:30:48):
But mid season, not the off season.

Speaker 4 (01:30:51):
I think you've established some culture now that if you
were to bring a guy in that you have the
foundation to support it well.

Speaker 5 (01:30:56):
Plus just don't fall into the trap of what happened
this year or so that that will be the case
next year.

Speaker 2 (01:31:02):
Yeah, you know what I mean.

Speaker 5 (01:31:04):
Like, right now that room has been tremendous.

Speaker 1 (01:31:06):
And Diggs came in with the reputation for that, and
it hasn't been that at all.

Speaker 5 (01:31:08):
Winning well, it can, but it can lead to the
other way too, Like, yeah, no, I was I was
really important. They wouldn't have won without me. I need
more Like that happens. That's a natural athletic Uh, you
know phenomenon. It happens all the time. All these guys
that were subjugating their egos in their minds, like, well, yeah,

(01:31:30):
I did that last year, we had success doing it.
Now I want mine. So next year you might not
have this, You might not have the same things.

Speaker 9 (01:31:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:31:38):
I appreciate, all right, something the balance, but.

Speaker 5 (01:31:41):
Yeah, I would agree that if they had put someone,
if they could have gotten the aj Brown thing this year,
and I still would have done it. But if they
could have done that this year or the deadline, that
would have been part of the cons Like does this
disrupt everybody? You know, how is this how is this
perceived in you know, within that room, within the the office,
the locker room in general. You know, Diggs is the

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undisputed leader of that group.

Speaker 3 (01:32:07):
The leader of the team.

Speaker 5 (01:32:08):
Does he does he get does he take any offense
to that? Like mid season? You know, we'll never know happened.

Speaker 3 (01:32:15):
He might be like towards the bottom now at this
point of his career, I think Digs is number one
wide receiver.

Speaker 5 (01:32:21):
I think he has been, and I would kind of
agree with Mark that. Like heading into the season, I
was like, no, he's the best they have, but he's
not really a number one. He's played well enough to
be a number one. Yeah, he just catches.

Speaker 1 (01:32:33):
Everything like that, but at one point five, But is
he a weapon?

Speaker 2 (01:32:39):
I think a third down he is.

Speaker 13 (01:32:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:32:41):
I was gonna say when when Drake really needs it,
he's been a weapon.

Speaker 2 (01:32:44):
I with that third and fourth downs a problem with
moving the sticks.

Speaker 3 (01:32:50):
I'm just asking the question.

Speaker 2 (01:32:52):
Sounds like you got a problem with it. Does it
sound like that, Sebasti. He's on exit one point fifty
three in New Jersey. Paulie yesterday, Sabby boy, you disagreed
with me that the team let the foot off the
gas in the second half. Maybe my writing skills need refinement.

(01:33:13):
But to be clear, I think this was the best
version of the team we've seen in all three phases,
but they didn't play at that level all game. I
don't think it was a conscious decision on the part
of the team, but it was a lack of execution.
I want to see them play like they did in
the first half the entire game. Now, do you still
disagree with me? I do.

Speaker 5 (01:33:31):
I think they played an exceptionally good second half as
well as first half. Now, if you want to get
nitpicky execution wise, yeah, Borgalis misses a field goal like
that's poor execution. Like, So to your point, I guess
I agree with you. They didn't execute quite as well
in the second half. But I think that they did
everything that they wanted to do in the second half.

(01:33:51):
I think they accomplished their players and executed the Now
they were different plays. We weren't throwing bombs all over
the place in the second half because they didn't need to.
But I think that they executed and chewed I think
there was a possession in the fourth quarter that they
went like forty yards and chewed up like seven minutes
of clock, six and a half minutes like clock. That's

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exactly what.

Speaker 2 (01:34:13):
I want to do.

Speaker 5 (01:34:14):
Like that to me is executing. I don't care if
I score, you know, thirty in the first half. I
don't need thirty in the second half.

Speaker 2 (01:34:20):
Let's you know, read the room. Rabel could have said,
you know, we expended a lot of energy in that
first half, energy that you know, we probably had to
find somewhere because we're running out of gas here getting
into the buy. I'm I'm factoring that into how we
did the second half, and if I have the opportunity
like I did, like Paul said to kind of milk clock,

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I'm gonna take it rather than ask these guys to be,
you know, all out like they were in the first half.

Speaker 3 (01:34:48):
I think the one of the most like sneaky good
things about Mike Rabel is understanding like how to choke
out a team and like how to like truly end
the game, because I think what the emailer is saying,
I think a lot of teams fall into that trap
and they start throwing. They keep throwing like crazy, and
they keep going bombs away and it's either turnovers or

(01:35:10):
quick three and outs, and all of a sudden, you
got a game on your hands. Like it's just there's
been more blown leads this year than any other year
in like the last like decade.

Speaker 5 (01:35:21):
So I'm just looking at the drive chart the second
half drives. They really had three drives in the second half.
They chewed up six thirty six, four oh eight and
five twenty seven. They had the ball for seventeen minutes
of the second half. That's dominance, like, they did exactly
what they wanted to do. They didn't need to score
thirty more points. They needed to run the clock out,

(01:35:42):
which is kind of why I was a little critical
of them throwing the ball at the very end, trying like,
in my view, trying to get another touchdown that didn't
need to be scored. I don't care that they only
scored whatever points in the second half. Through they scored
three points. I don't feel like they didn't need any points.
Now again from an exit, you know, strictly semantics. From

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Sebastian's email, they didn't execute quite as well because they
missed the field goal and they didn't get a touchdown.
They got a penalty, then got a touchdown call back,
So that's not as good of executions in the first half.
But I think what they wanted to do. I don't
think they let their foot off the gas. I think
they wanted to choke him out and they did.

Speaker 2 (01:36:21):
Sebastian also has a hot take, I don't want Campbell
to return after he's eligible to return. I would sit
him until the AFC Championship game to make sure it's
worth bringing him back and potentially making his injury regress
or make it worse. And yes, he can get worse
if his whole knee buckles on the field.

Speaker 5 (01:36:38):
I want him to return when he's healthy enough to return.
I don't know that that's what can be saved, Chip,
I don't know that that's going to be this year.

Speaker 2 (01:36:46):
Music doctors.

Speaker 5 (01:36:47):
Yeah, if the doctor says he's he's healthy enough to play,
then I want him to play, even if that's the
Miami game, the meaningless Week eighteen game.

Speaker 3 (01:36:54):
Yeah, I think it'd be good to get him if
he's healthy.

Speaker 5 (01:36:56):
I don't think that he's going to be able to
play in that game, and I'm not sure he's going
to be able to play in the playoffs. But if
the doctors clear him, I want him playing, right, doesn't
everybody else?

Speaker 2 (01:37:05):
Yeah? Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (01:37:07):
I was just happy to see him in the locker
room yesterday that Mike Mike came in after.

Speaker 5 (01:37:11):
The locker room. Have you seen him since?

Speaker 3 (01:37:15):
Maybe Evans Damn.

Speaker 5 (01:37:18):
I saw him on Friday when we all walked said,
but maybe it was in one of those other rooms
that we're not supposed to look into.

Speaker 4 (01:37:23):
Yeah, yeah, you're just walking through pipe and drape and
going in the back door.

Speaker 2 (01:37:27):
I didn't walk through.

Speaker 5 (01:37:28):
Pipe and drape, Mike. I stay on the other side.

Speaker 3 (01:37:32):
I do want to remind myself every once in a
while that, like if we see them like on the
plane or like on the buses or whatever, that like.

Speaker 5 (01:37:39):
Oh yeah I saw him.

Speaker 3 (01:37:42):
Like people will ask me like, oh, is he a
cast or whatever, and I'm like, nope, I can't tell you.
Sign an NBA smart man.

Speaker 5 (01:37:50):
I always had a rule smart and actually anything that
I saw, it was myself imposed with anything that I
saw strictly because I worked here. It was off right.

Speaker 2 (01:37:58):
That's not a rule, that's a mandate that it's interesting.
It was mighty interesting email from Carol and Georgia. First
of all, she says, I use grammarly to write this
email same, so thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:38:12):
It's not just the greatest he said.

Speaker 2 (01:38:14):
According to the soccer teams in Brazil, that's very high altitude.
The best strategy is to arrive to play just before
the game. The body takes some hours to feel the altitude,
so you must use this interval to play. I don't
know what will happen after But the players in Brazil
are alive and fine. I don't know, so I have.

Speaker 3 (01:38:35):
Heard that now you do have to be there the
day like it's an NFL rule that you have to
be there the day before, right, So there's nothing that
you can You can't fly in the day of the game.
Not that you would want to, but you can't. So yeah,
especially a.

Speaker 5 (01:38:50):
Bad length of a trip. Yeah, we're got to save
this altitude talk like they're not playing Denver anytime soon. No,
I you know, I started, but I'm saying the whole like,
you know, how to deal with it. This is if
they're playing Denver in the playoffs. This is what the
whole week is going to be. But also to save
some of this good stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:39:11):
I think the other thing too for me with this
is like it's gonna be the AFC Championship game, and
like at that point you're gonna have be It's gonna.

Speaker 5 (01:39:18):
Be hard, you know, like it's not according to you yesterday.

Speaker 3 (01:39:22):
You're gonna be playing a good team. It's gonna be
high stakes, it's gonna be hard. So like wherever you're
playing it, it's you're in the a FC championship game,
like that's where he lost all them weights. Yeah yeah,
really quick bone to pick with the referees, which I
know that, Like I don't know the email before this
made me think this.

Speaker 2 (01:39:43):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (01:39:43):
They kept on calling penalties and assigning the penalty to
the wrong player. They did several times.

Speaker 3 (01:39:50):
They did it.

Speaker 5 (01:39:50):
I've never seen seventy almost like Scott Hansen was doing that.

Speaker 3 (01:39:54):
I haven't seen anything like that before. So they called
a hold on Bradbury when the hold was actually on
bet Brown, and then they called the illegal motion that
wiped out was because they were talking about the Henry points.
They called it on seventy five.

Speaker 1 (01:40:08):
Yeah, I think it was Ben Brown again, I know
it was.

Speaker 3 (01:40:11):
It was Hunter Henry.

Speaker 1 (01:40:11):
It was Hunter.

Speaker 5 (01:40:12):
Yeah, he did.

Speaker 3 (01:40:14):
Happened so fast Hunter Henry didn't come set before they
snapped the ball.

Speaker 5 (01:40:17):
So the penalty of twenty twenty five, the penalty of
twenty four was the tackle being in the backfield that
got called like fifteen times a game. This is the
penalty this year. It drives me insane. I don't understand
why it's even illegal to go in motion and not
you know, recess stuff. Well, it depends on if it's
motion or a shift correct, because if your in motion,

(01:40:38):
if you're off the line of scrimmage in motion, you
can be in motion, but once you go to set
back onto the line of scrimmage, you have to come
to a full set. And I understand the whole two
guys in motion thing. I just like, that's not confusing anybody,
Like the whole Miami Dolphins thing isn't. That's not like,
oh he was he was moving, like, That's not what
the problem was. The problem was they were like lightning.

(01:40:59):
That was the hord thing about Miami when they were
rolling and when McDaniel first got there.

Speaker 3 (01:41:04):
But it was on it was on the it was
it was called an illegal shift, yeah, and they assigned
it to like seventy five, And I was like that
player does not like what are we talking about? But
really small thing like that, that illegal motion penalty is
on Drake, like the it's on the quarterback, the tie
up the cadence with the with the shift and make

(01:41:26):
sure that hunter Henry does get set before they snapped
the ball. But I just you know, I know that
was up.

Speaker 5 (01:41:32):
He also he also used an incorrect signal on a penalty.
I forget what it was.

Speaker 3 (01:41:36):
It was brutal.

Speaker 5 (01:41:37):
I think it was an illegal man downfield and he
did the wrong signal.

Speaker 2 (01:41:41):
But I forget Amir has a good billboard of case
the Patriots whin the AFCI. Yeah, it's also it's just
say we'll take it from here. I like that.

Speaker 3 (01:41:53):
That's good.

Speaker 2 (01:41:54):
I like that. That's great good and mirror good.

Speaker 3 (01:41:56):
We're gonna we're going to start a gofund me for this.

Speaker 9 (01:41:58):
I know.

Speaker 1 (01:41:59):
I remember some guy like trolling bill with billboards along
Route one.

Speaker 4 (01:42:04):
One of the sports hub call her personality people, But
I why doesn't he call they better do that the
buffalo too.

Speaker 3 (01:42:10):
If mister Kraft wants to fund it, he can be
like a silent like, we won't tell anybody the money
is from him. Well, I might have.

Speaker 2 (01:42:17):
Done that a few times. Reno writes in I'm not
seeing this overly scary defense from the Broncos. Either they're
really good, but they're not unstoppable or shut down people
like people want to believe their offense is mid at best,
with wild inconsistencies because of Nicks. So yeah, I agree
with Evan. I'd be fine seeing them in the playoffs

(01:42:39):
home or away. Let's not forget we're undefeated in away
games at this moment. By the way, I love that
Evan has become a mixture of Eric in big Head.
He gets very palady like Eric and hot headed like
any Paul, please keep starting starting the arguments with everyone
and Fred, please continue to instigate ps not saying we

(01:42:59):
can't lose to the Broncos, just saying we can.

Speaker 5 (01:43:01):
Win two and not scared to know why I win.

Speaker 4 (01:43:05):
My only feeling on this is like I would just
kind of prefer not to play in Denver, but I
don't really care. And otherwise there's no teams that I
really don't think the Patriots have a chance against in
the AFC.

Speaker 3 (01:43:14):
They don't even have the best defense in the conference.

Speaker 2 (01:43:19):
Jeremiah is also with Evan. I'm with Evan. I'm so
tired of hearing everyone's nightmares about Denver. I don't think
our fan base just has to stare at the Broncos
logo and clinch their fists as they yell I'm not
afraid of you anymore. Home games in general have benefits,
especially Denver's, but I don't think that team is good
enough to have those factors sway the game. Yeah, I agree, I.

Speaker 4 (01:43:43):
Mean you could say, I'd prefer not to play on
the road generally, you know what I mean, It's just
much rather be just make sure.

Speaker 5 (01:43:51):
Too to have anything sweat like that they would benefit
from being at home? Sure, I don't, So why wouldn't
you think that, Denver?

Speaker 3 (01:43:57):
Would I think to only rewigh the Patriots if it
from playing at home as if? Like but the question
they draw, like the Chargers or the Jaguars.

Speaker 2 (01:44:04):
Teams or more importantly, our team's fan base is scared
of playing the Patriots in Jillette.

Speaker 5 (01:44:11):
I don't think that anybody in the AFC should be
afraid of anybody. Yeah, I don't think any fan base
in the AFC should be afraid of playing anywhere against
anything established. It's a completely flat conference, that's all it
has been the whole year. No one's really been able to,
you know, dominate.

Speaker 4 (01:44:28):
And a lot of the parts we're talking about are
unproven teams, Like if it was Tom Brady and that
old Patriots team, Like, yeah, I don't want to go
to Foxboro, But what do you know about Bonnicks in
the playoffs?

Speaker 1 (01:44:36):
You know, what do you know about Tom Brady.

Speaker 2 (01:44:37):
And in the playoffs?

Speaker 5 (01:44:39):
But you know, they didn't really I mean, he threw
a bomb for a touchdown on the first drive, and
I think he did nothing the whole rest of the game.

Speaker 3 (01:44:46):
I just am And this is not even a Denver thing,
It's just an overall thing. I just think that the
home field advantage thing is becoming really overrated across the NFL.
It just for the past like five to ten years,
there really is in the huge discrepancy home road splits
and things like that. I just think that it's become

(01:45:09):
a little bit overrated in terms of a talking point.
And I don't think anybody was necessarily worried about playing here.
I think they were worried about playing Tom Brady.

Speaker 4 (01:45:19):
H So the elements, I mean, I would say the
elements like ideally Peyton Manning doesn't want to come here
when a snowstorm, I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:45:25):
Ideally swirling winds.

Speaker 1 (01:45:26):
Yeah no, no, But I mean I think everywhere there's something.

Speaker 5 (01:45:29):
I think Mike is right. I think if you if
you were going to play Tom Brady, you want to
play him in like hot weather. You don't want to
play him in the snow. He never lost in those conditions,
Like that's that was part of it. Now, you don't
want to play Brady anywhere, because Brady's you know, we
used to joke about this. Brady's record indoors, Brady's record
out doors, Brady's record when it's under thirty degree, Brady dominated,

(01:45:51):
no matter what the conditions were.

Speaker 1 (01:45:52):
Down by a touchdown going into the fourth quarter, dominates.

Speaker 5 (01:45:55):
But I would rather play Brady if I'm an opponent
in conditions that I like. Yeah, I know Brady's going
to be great regardless of conditions, so if I can
match him, I need my conditions. Yeah, And that's why
I like playing in January here was that's you know,
for Peyton Manning, that's not not deal.

Speaker 4 (01:46:12):
Like Evan's point of the Chargers or the Jaguars, you know,
having to come up here in January not ideal.

Speaker 5 (01:46:16):
But but Baltimore they don't care because they like those
conditions Like.

Speaker 2 (01:46:21):
A honey badger. They don't care. Zach from doesn't say
where Eric wouldn't like that has a little would you
rather think? Okay, would you rather option a Patriots win
their remaining four games with resounding wins over the Bills
and Ravens and get the number one overall seed after
first round bye. They lose to the Chiefs in the
divisional round Option B. Patriots go two and two in

(01:46:45):
their final four games, losing to the Bills and the Ravens.
They beat a middling team like the Jaguars in the
wild round card Wildcard round, then lose a game to
the Chiefs in the divisional round.

Speaker 3 (01:46:57):
Win a playoff game, So I'll play game both ways.

Speaker 1 (01:47:01):
You're winning the AFC East, which the.

Speaker 5 (01:47:02):
Ways in the division around to Kansas City.

Speaker 3 (01:47:05):
Yeah, so when one of them you have a playoff game,
win Drake may won a playoff game.

Speaker 4 (01:47:10):
Yeah yeah, okay, yeah, all right, get the division. That's
my first goal. Get the division.

Speaker 2 (01:47:15):
Like decision's over, you know, I know it's aficial till
it's over.

Speaker 13 (01:47:19):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:47:20):
Also, the Patriots are back to their winning ways, and
I love to bring back the tradition of buying you
guys lunch. We as listeners can't forget tradition as it
hearkens back to the days when Zolac would stop by,
and even back to the original Patriots Cafe shows. Wow,
you remember those? What's that back in the day. I'll
shall tell you in a second. If the new studio
isn't conducive to eating food, I'm happy to buy lunch

(01:47:42):
on an off day.

Speaker 9 (01:47:43):
No.

Speaker 2 (01:47:44):
So back back in the day OG listening, when the
World Wide Web first started in the old Stadium, they
had the Club which doubled as where the Patriots ate
their lunch. So during lunch we'd set up and do
a live show with Don Lowry, who was Stacy James
before Stacy James actually he was his boss at the time,

(01:48:04):
and we would drag guys from lunch and interview them
during their life. That's great. Yeah, sandwiches, yep.

Speaker 1 (01:48:12):
So he had relaxed over a meal, you know, hanging.
Would they be eating one there or he just grab
them like after they.

Speaker 2 (01:48:16):
Yeah, yeah, when they're done. It's a shame that we
don't have those tapes. Oh yeah, you know, I don't
know where they would be.

Speaker 5 (01:48:26):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:48:27):
It's funny.

Speaker 1 (01:48:28):
I just quick story.

Speaker 4 (01:48:30):
Had the chance to interview Nancy Meyer for the eighty
five project and she had a funny story. She was
saying how different things were, you know, she said, players.

Speaker 1 (01:48:39):
Back then they had other jobs.

Speaker 4 (01:48:41):
Like the season went in, they would go to like
their other job, and then they work and then the
season they come back. But she said that you know,
they never got swagged they never had. She's like, if
players had like two T shirts that said Patriots on them,
they were doing well well here.

Speaker 2 (01:48:53):
That was definitely the case.

Speaker 5 (01:48:54):
I know that they didn't have to work second jobs.

Speaker 2 (01:48:57):
No, no, I'm telling you, if a guy needed another jersey,
they'd have to buy it. I'm serious, really, I'm serious crazy.

Speaker 4 (01:49:03):
But she said one of her best memories from that
eighty five season and then going to the Super Bowl
was that her and all the admin staff all got
outfitted and jumpsuits and sneakers from Rebok, which at the time,
my dad was working at Rebok, And she said, you
know what sparked my memory was like, there's that there's
a picture somewhere of all of us in our rebox stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:49:21):
And I was so excited, And I've looked everywhere for
that picture and I don't know where it is.

Speaker 4 (01:49:25):
So somewhere around here, there's got to be some kind
of archive with all this stuff. And yeah, I'm sure
a lot of people like to get their hands on.

Speaker 2 (01:49:31):
So yeah, no it it used to be bad. And
they used to accuse the old equipment manager before Donnie Brocher,
this guy Longo of you know, having like an underground
economy where he would like, you know, sell extra guys,
keep the money and everything.

Speaker 3 (01:49:50):
Stick would never Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:49:52):
Well now it's like he like, it's those new T
shirts and new sweatshirts and they're like randomly getting sweatshirts
and T shirts made with sayings on them, and you,
I mean, you can't escape.

Speaker 2 (01:50:00):
I know elders in North Carolina on the hotline, what's
up eld.

Speaker 5 (01:50:06):
Woa?

Speaker 1 (01:50:07):
Whoa sut though?

Speaker 2 (01:50:10):
That guy that just swerved into the guard rail here
you great?

Speaker 9 (01:50:14):
No, I ain't nobody here.

Speaker 11 (01:50:16):
Everyone out of your change, bro.

Speaker 12 (01:50:19):
I'm wanting them one.

Speaker 6 (01:50:20):
Like I said, it's the greatest one eleven Ford for
the s up there.

Speaker 12 (01:50:26):
I don't want to play there.

Speaker 7 (01:50:28):
But because but if you listen to David Andrews and
I think him in the whole Your.

Speaker 12 (01:50:35):
Pet Chat My Dad podcast, Yeah, can you tell you
why and why he was sick for two weeks after
going up there, and it's it's that but fear.

Speaker 3 (01:50:44):
Yeah, but that had nothing to do with it.

Speaker 2 (01:50:46):
No, Andrews had a bug. Yeah, he was really set.
Oh yeah, yeah, But I don't think it was altitude related.

Speaker 3 (01:50:54):
Uh he said his attitude something telling you it's not
a factor I'm just telling you that it's not impossible.

Speaker 2 (01:51:01):
I remember that we spent yeah, we spent a week
out there nineteen you know, yeah, this was we had
a weekend. Yeah, I'm sorry, No, we had a week
out then. I remember he got really sick. Yeah, couldn't
make the second leg of the game.

Speaker 5 (01:51:17):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 12 (01:51:19):
And there I love, I love. I don't want to
play that come down down.

Speaker 2 (01:51:29):
I want to play him here and would I well
everybody would rather play him here, all right, thanks Aldred,
Yeah I did.

Speaker 3 (01:51:38):
And I think it's Paul said, like, we'll get to
it when we get to it, which he's right. But
if you look at Denver's last four games of their schedule,
it's Packers, Chiefs, Chargers, Jaguars or their last four games,
like the way that they get the number one seed,
other than like they have the tie breakers over the Patriots.
So both teams went out and Denver is going to
be the number one seed. But I don't think Denver's

(01:51:59):
winning out.

Speaker 5 (01:52:00):
So but winning out, But what if both teams go
too and two or in Denver's case three, It depends
on this breaker. Why I always say, like, don't just
blanket tie breaker? They have the tiebreaker, So I believe Now.

Speaker 2 (01:52:13):
If it's AC, I believe it Chargers.

Speaker 3 (01:52:17):
Well, I but I believe it would it would. It
wouldn't matter because as long as they beat the Raiders,
they'll have the common opponent tiebreaker. And then the Patriots
last four games are all against the a f C.
So if the Patriots not common that makes sense, but
they're all but it's conference records is more important.

Speaker 2 (01:52:35):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:52:36):
So if they go like two and two and in
the last four games of the season, then Denver is
gonna it's gonna it's gonna be Denver with the tiebreakers.

Speaker 5 (01:52:44):
So that's the So it's the would you say the Chargers, Chiefs,
the Chiefs, Jackson, Patriots didn't play any of those teams.

Speaker 3 (01:52:52):
So it's about the a f C. It will be
about the conference record.

Speaker 2 (01:52:55):
Yeah. Yeah, Mike's in New York. What's up, Mike, Mike, Mike,
Mike Wednesday, hump Day? Where are you? He's gone home?
All right, that's okay, Mike, get another chance.

Speaker 5 (01:53:11):
I just do a lot of different topics today.

Speaker 4 (01:53:13):
It is interesting, though, Kathy, like all the odds that
it really seems, based on what I've seen, it's Patriots
are Broncos.

Speaker 1 (01:53:21):
That's the one seed, right, It's the Patriots.

Speaker 5 (01:53:23):
Those are the biggest team I think that has a
minute chance, and I think it's less than five percent
is Buffalo because Buffalo could conceivably, you know, steal the
division and then you know, you get into all the
different stuff if that tough schedule that Evan talked about
with the Broncos comes into play.

Speaker 3 (01:53:40):
But I think it's just yeah, yeah, the Patriots right
now are slave favorites to be the one seed in
most places. But it's because they're back end of their
schedules easier than Denvers. So not by much, honestly, because
you have Baltimore and Buffalo, but they have the Jets
and the Dolphins, and.

Speaker 5 (01:53:56):
They have they're easier than the Chargers and the Jets.

Speaker 3 (01:53:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:53:59):
Right, teams who are in playoffs still in the playoff mix.

Speaker 2 (01:54:02):
Trying to make it do one more emails Travis and
West Virginia. We're talking about me reading emails, he says, uh,
And and you know, reading favorites. He says, nonsense, Fred,
My emails are always good, and you only read about
one out of every five I sent. Also, Kwannie doesn't
read emails either, The only difference is that she pretends

(01:54:22):
she didn't get any emails, while you pretend.

Speaker 5 (01:54:24):
You got a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:54:26):
It's not pretending we get a lot.

Speaker 5 (01:54:30):
You can't really read them all.

Speaker 2 (01:54:31):
All right, all right, there's a lot more emails. I'm
sorry I didn't get to all of them. But anyway,
we'll be back tomorrow, so you'll have another chance to
email or call in. The gang will be all here
because Evan won't have a locker room to go to.
Deuce won't have a locker room to go to. Live
picks from Evan, Live picks from Evan, Second time, any

(01:54:52):
four like any teaser.

Speaker 13 (01:54:57):
I had?

Speaker 5 (01:54:58):
I had a really good week with a spread. Okay,
that's kind of average otherwise.

Speaker 2 (01:55:03):
Okay, all right, well we'll get to that tomorrow. Thanks
for watching today.

Speaker 3 (01:55:10):
Hey this is Alex. Thanks for tuning into the show.
If you really want to help us, make.

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Speaker 3 (01:55:18):
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Speaker 2 (01:55:20):
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