Patriots Unfiltered 12/4: AFC Standings, Playoff Picture/Possibilities, NFL Week 14 Picks

Tune-in as the PU Crew looks ahead to the postseason as the Patriots are on a bye. We discuss current standings in the AFC in context of the current standings and Week 14 slate, and explore the Patriots' possible paths to and through the playoffs. We talk the entire conference and how the Patriots might perform in different matchups or what problems they could face. Plus, we go around the horn to share our picks for the NFL's entire Week 14 slate.

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:08):
The World's of Vigeonal podcast.

Speaker 3 (00:14):
Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered.

Speaker 4 (00:18):
I did like two or three Red Zone Sundays. He
doesn't move, No, he doesn't move. There's a bathroom behind him,
behind the wall.

Speaker 5 (00:25):
So all like Paul on redst.

Speaker 3 (00:26):
It's not unrealistic to think on the week of Super
Bowl we might have to cover Coach of the Year, MVP,
Assistant Coach of the Year, and several people in the
Pro Bowl.

Speaker 6 (00:37):
And Evans probably will be at the shrine.

Speaker 4 (00:38):
Gerd Comeback Player of the Year to Han Diggs, Mister Craft,
Bill Belichick, Adam Vin, Terry, Rodney Harrison, and potentially the
Patriots might be there in the Super Bowl in Santa
Clara as well.

Speaker 3 (00:52):
People gonna hate us, I mean we're talking. I love it. Evan,
Will you down playing playing at Denver how important it is?

Speaker 4 (00:59):
I never do that.

Speaker 3 (01:00):
Evan is underestimating the impact of playing at altitude without
proper acclimatization.

Speaker 4 (01:06):
I think the Patriots should practice on the top of
Mount Washington.

Speaker 3 (01:09):
Yeah, pretty cool, lot high enough, and the deafening crowd noise.
I'm just looking at facts. Along with Seattle, that is
the loudest stadium in the league.

Speaker 4 (01:18):
Measurable fact, no incorrect.

Speaker 3 (01:20):
Amir has a good billboard of case the Patriots win,
the afcat is should say we'll take it from here.

Speaker 6 (01:28):
I like that.

Speaker 4 (01:28):
That's good.

Speaker 3 (01:29):
I like that good, Andre good. This is Patriots Unfiltered.

Speaker 7 (01:34):
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Speaker 3 (01:40):
All right, welcome the Patriots Unfiltered. It is Thursday here
at Jillette Stadium, and it's the bye week, of course,
so we don't have a game to worry about this Sunday,
so we can relax and watch the rest of the
league either play good or bad football, and then we'll
be able to create critique it next week. But uh,

(02:02):
still a big show. We've got the whole gang here.
It's Evan, it's Paul, it's Me, it's Deuce, it's Alex,
Alex and Matt in the booth, and uh we'll be
here for the next two hours talking Patriots and whatever
else comes up. I got a feeling some other subjects
might might arise today. I don't I don't know when
we have our picks today. So that's very important. Got
to get our picks in and I don't have to

(02:25):
worry about the Patriots.

Speaker 7 (02:27):
So do you worry about that?

Speaker 3 (02:28):
I do. I was just gonna say, look, I'm the
one that picked against him a couple of weeks ago,
so he still feels bad about that. I do.

Speaker 1 (02:36):
I do.

Speaker 4 (02:37):
Get these two over here with their gear.

Speaker 3 (02:40):
All right. So you know, everyone's talking about the fact
that Bill Belichick and Robert Kraft are finalists in the
contributor category. So I don't know if we want to
talk about that. I think both of them should get
in on the first ballot, but you never know what
these uh with the panel. We'll see what happens there.

(03:03):
Drake may Player Offensive Player of the Week. We talked
about that yesterday.

Speaker 4 (03:08):
We have a little breaking news. Oh yeah, dou tell
Traveon Henderson Rookie of the Month or the month of November.
The month in the entire NFL, not just the AFC.

Speaker 3 (03:19):
That's prestigious.

Speaker 8 (03:20):
Does anyone care to guess the last time a Patriots
rookie got offensive players?

Speaker 3 (03:24):
I think I don't wait rookie, I don't know ifsive
Rookie of the month. Mike Kynes.

Speaker 6 (03:31):
Not quite that far back.

Speaker 3 (03:32):
He's defense anyway.

Speaker 4 (03:33):
Rob Gronkowski, No.

Speaker 7 (03:35):
Actually, Aaron Hernandez, keep going, keep going back.

Speaker 3 (03:39):
Curtis Martin not that far, oh man. The good a
thing you're you're you're.

Speaker 8 (03:44):
Kind of getting around it though, you're getting around military. No, no, no, no,
it's it's in between twenty ten and ninety six. So
keep working. That's so Lawrence Morony.

Speaker 4 (03:57):
A little farther back, keep inching back, rebinch Dion branch
okay of twenty two thousand and two.

Speaker 6 (04:07):
Okay, Patriots player got rookie.

Speaker 4 (04:10):
He did have a that's not established really.

Speaker 6 (04:14):
He had a good start, yeah.

Speaker 7 (04:16):
Branch right from the start he was was really good.

Speaker 3 (04:20):
So who would you say, this is a tough one.
Who would be the all time Patriots rookie. Who was
the greatest rookie in Patriots franchise history.

Speaker 7 (04:29):
That's a big question, big question.

Speaker 4 (04:31):
I don't know. Wow, that's tough because Gronk's breakout year
was his second year.

Speaker 7 (04:37):
He had a good rookie Yeah, but yeah, probably Curtis Martin.

Speaker 4 (04:41):
Curtis Martin, yeah, yeah, yeah, that sounds right.

Speaker 3 (04:44):
We wonder like I don't know, like it was John
Hannah's first season like amazing, you know, I think I think.

Speaker 6 (04:51):
Mike Haynes' first year was the seventies.

Speaker 3 (04:53):
On your own time.

Speaker 7 (04:53):
No, no, no, no, it was like Stanley Morgan, you know,
you know, but the left guard is nothing that personifies
the Patriots incompetence more than the greatest player in the
history of their franchise until like nineteen ninety was a guard.

Speaker 6 (05:09):
That wild give tips some love.

Speaker 4 (05:13):
Might be the best guard of all time.

Speaker 7 (05:14):
He may be the best offensive lineman of all time.
Nothing personifies how bad you a franchise is. When that's
the case, that's the best player.

Speaker 4 (05:21):
You have no respect for the offensive line.

Speaker 3 (05:24):
I also got it. Henderson is also the Pepsi zero
Sugar Pepsi zero sugar NFL Rookie of the Week as well,
and I'm told say exactly the Pepsi zero sugar thing
NFL Rookie of the of the week.

Speaker 4 (05:42):
He's the rookie of the week.

Speaker 5 (05:43):
Yeah, Henderson from this week.

Speaker 3 (05:45):
This is different.

Speaker 4 (05:46):
It's a different award, I know, but from this past week.

Speaker 3 (05:49):
But this week, in said, Henderson is the Pepsi zero
Sugar NFL Rookie of the week.

Speaker 2 (05:57):
You're on the sword.

Speaker 5 (05:59):
No, I'm up on the award.

Speaker 6 (06:01):
I'm wondering the consulted.

Speaker 7 (06:02):
Were there any other rookies that played this week?

Speaker 2 (06:06):
Damn, like the rookie of the guy.

Speaker 7 (06:10):
Maybe it's I think well deserved. He had a huge
game in Tampa. He had another really good game. He's
scored six touchdowns I think in like a like maybe
a three week span. But this particular game games the Giants,
I don't think was one of the games that look
it up.

Speaker 3 (06:26):
Look it up.

Speaker 4 (06:26):
The NFL is saying that that is the case that
he did win for the Week thirteen zero Sugar Rookie
of the Week. But more importantly to me, he's the
Rookie of the Month, which I think, No, I know he.

Speaker 3 (06:38):
Also got that.

Speaker 7 (06:39):
Yeah, there's two different awards, but yeah, well deserved for
the Rookie of the month. Yeah, absolutely, he had a
great month.

Speaker 3 (06:46):
It's pretty amazing.

Speaker 8 (06:47):
I not to go backwards, but I was just going
to say because I thought Mike Haynes had a really
good rookie year, and he did. He was a pro
bowler as a rookie, had eight interceptions, was a rookie.
That's a pretty It's a career high of interceptions in
a season.

Speaker 3 (06:58):
So you know who had a lot of ben exceptions
his rookie year one, he had six I believe right.

Speaker 4 (07:05):
He went to the Pro Bowl.

Speaker 6 (07:06):
Yeah, so went to the Pro Bowl.

Speaker 7 (07:08):
In the conversation for yeah, I would put both of
those guys in the conversation. I think Curtis had like
fourteen hundred yards.

Speaker 6 (07:14):
He was magical.

Speaker 8 (07:16):
I still remember watching him as a rookie and them
talking about the injuries he had had and how he
had fallen in the draft, like the weird details that
stick out in my mind about Curtis Martin, and then
just watching him run slash.

Speaker 7 (07:26):
I just remember and running for one hundred yards against
Bill Belichick's defense in his first every game.

Speaker 6 (07:32):
And stopped the run going to the Jets.

Speaker 3 (07:36):
That's bad.

Speaker 7 (07:38):
These things happened.

Speaker 3 (07:39):
I remember. I remember when Parcels was here, I reminded
him that after a good game that did this that
Martin had. You know, the guys were all like, you know,
great game. The media was around his locker and Parcels
just walks through. Yeah one game wonder.

Speaker 6 (07:54):
That sounds like part.

Speaker 7 (07:55):
That's why you called him boy Wonder.

Speaker 3 (07:57):
Yeah, one game.

Speaker 4 (07:58):
One out when you hear things like that about parcels,
it does. Mike Rable does have.

Speaker 3 (08:04):
A oh yeah, oh yeah.

Speaker 4 (08:05):
He's more of that than Bill.

Speaker 5 (08:07):
He's a mix of the two of them.

Speaker 7 (08:09):
He has Belichick's a lot of Belichick's sort of ideologies
which are really parcels, and a lot of parcels is
like sort of biting balls. Socasm going to.

Speaker 6 (08:21):
Say, why is that nicer way?

Speaker 3 (08:23):
Yeah? Yeah, so good stuff. Anything else, anything else we
need to talk about. Get out on the table, the news,
the latest news.

Speaker 6 (08:33):
Evan's battle with the Broncos fans continues.

Speaker 7 (08:35):
Yeah does it? Oh we have yeah, do tell I didn't?
I want them up on the waiter.

Speaker 3 (08:39):
Evan is just down playing mile High the effects of
altitude and the you know, the crowd and all that.

Speaker 6 (08:49):
Yeah, okay, yeah, I was. So it's fan vote driving
that award for the.

Speaker 3 (08:52):
P So do you think the city has a home
field advantage? The crowd noise?

Speaker 4 (08:58):
There we go, I've given up. Sorry, I'm out, Sorry
that I laid down myself.

Speaker 7 (09:04):
Then chooses not to run.

Speaker 3 (09:05):
Seattle They're pretty.

Speaker 4 (09:08):
Loud, really really tough places to play, all of.

Speaker 3 (09:13):
Them they are.

Speaker 7 (09:15):
Seattle is a tough place to play. Yeah, I think
the emailer included Seattle in his thing. Seattle and Denver
the two loudest places.

Speaker 3 (09:24):
Kansas City would argue with that.

Speaker 7 (09:25):
I would probably say outdoor venues because some of the
indoor places came.

Speaker 4 (09:30):
I would say that that's incorrect.

Speaker 3 (09:32):
Kansas City had the Guinness Book of World Records there.
One night they broke the decibel.

Speaker 9 (09:36):
Record and ear I mean you carry that guy, don't like,
how are we how are we judging this?

Speaker 3 (09:44):
Who?

Speaker 4 (09:44):
But who's doing world records?

Speaker 7 (09:47):
Okay, I never I've never seen that.

Speaker 3 (09:51):
I was there the night that they did it.

Speaker 7 (09:53):
Oh so they set out to do it.

Speaker 3 (09:56):
Oh yeah, it was.

Speaker 7 (09:58):
Talking about it's random week three that was the highest one.

Speaker 3 (10:02):
No, they told the fans, Guinness is here, you got
to be loud, and they broke the record.

Speaker 5 (10:06):
You know, me completely dismissed that one.

Speaker 6 (10:08):
Now sounds like a participation trophy, right of course they tried.

Speaker 7 (10:11):
No never mind, I was going to say something that
was going to get me in trouble.

Speaker 5 (10:14):
I'm not going to say it.

Speaker 6 (10:16):
Seattle is loud, no matter what. Like that was what
I'm saying.

Speaker 7 (10:19):
A random week three?

Speaker 5 (10:20):
Well, I go to Seattle, I was.

Speaker 8 (10:21):
There in whatever in two thousand and eight, with Matt
Castle playing for the Patriots. The Seahawks are already out
of the branch being the branch uh and the fans
were going crazy. I was sitting in the three hundreds
with the diehards and they're like yelling, like.

Speaker 3 (10:35):
It starts in the huddle.

Speaker 6 (10:36):
They're screaming like you guys are going nowhere. But they
were super passionate. I respect the Seahawks fans, so.

Speaker 7 (10:44):
That'd be the best part of going to the Super Bowls.
I get to check another stadium out one.

Speaker 4 (10:48):
I been to San Francisco Stadium.

Speaker 3 (10:50):
I'm going on a new one.

Speaker 5 (10:52):
No, I went to the Candlestick.

Speaker 4 (10:53):
It's fine.

Speaker 3 (10:54):
To the stadium, it's fine. Yeah, the stuff we sees,
you know, but I guess like the clubs are really nice.
There's a lot of really good technology there. It's a
good stadium.

Speaker 2 (11:05):
I feel like they'd have a good atmosphere too.

Speaker 3 (11:07):
Yeah, I don't. I don't like the way it's configured
because one side of the stadium is all like suites
and boxes and it takes away all those stands.

Speaker 7 (11:19):
I agree with you, it's got an odd.

Speaker 4 (11:22):
It's tough to say what the atmosphere was because the
Patriots were very non competitive in the one time that
I've been there, So it was last yes, but it was.
It's a nice stadium, but I don't think it's it's
not anything like like the design of it and everything.

Speaker 10 (11:38):
It's kind of just so the real noise from the
like more regular fans is only coming from one side.

Speaker 3 (11:44):
You're saying, not like a pretty much Yeah, look at
you know, if you ever get a chance, look it
up the bowl and you'll see what I'm talking about.
One side of the stadium is like a building.

Speaker 2 (11:57):
Interesting.

Speaker 3 (11:58):
You know, there's lower seats obviously, but most of it
is taken up by glass.

Speaker 6 (12:03):
So George George George Glass.

Speaker 4 (12:06):
Yeah, No.

Speaker 3 (12:08):
Eight five five pass five hundred is the hotline. Uh
podcast at Patriots dot com is the email address. So
I mean we can get right into the listeners if
you want or unless you have something else you want
to add. I know it's I feel like we go
bye week.

Speaker 6 (12:24):
Yeah we got.

Speaker 8 (12:24):
I feel like I got day before vacation vibes, at
least speaking for myself getting out of town tomorrow.

Speaker 7 (12:29):
And it's Mike's way of telling you he's not going
to come in tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (12:32):
Where you're going.

Speaker 4 (12:32):
We're going to Vermont.

Speaker 2 (12:33):
Actually you should do agility drills on top.

Speaker 3 (12:37):
Of any place in particular.

Speaker 6 (12:39):
We're going to Stow, Vermont.

Speaker 4 (12:41):
No, no skiing.

Speaker 8 (12:42):
We're gonna go freeze our butts off and experience the
terrible cold of winter.

Speaker 3 (12:46):
But the slopes open.

Speaker 6 (12:47):
I think they are up up there.

Speaker 8 (12:49):
They're up there, and make last year we went skiing,
and I feel like I dodged tearing my a c
L once was enough.

Speaker 6 (12:55):
I don't need to push it again. So no no skiing,
but just get out of town.

Speaker 8 (12:58):
I think it's good to get away from your domicile abode.

Speaker 6 (13:03):
Go off, break the cycle a little bit. Just get
away for a couple of days.

Speaker 4 (13:07):
See, I'm the total starting this. I'm the total opposite you.
Just I'm going to sleep for two straight days. Really,
I mean we travel so like we go to other places.

Speaker 2 (13:18):
That's what you're going to do for with your weekend
off of sleep?

Speaker 4 (13:22):
Yeah, it's just off on this Oh yeah yeah. This
morning at like it was like eight thirty and I
was still in bed, interest like, doesn't don't you have
to go to work? And I was like yeah, yeah,
it's the bye.

Speaker 7 (13:34):
Yeah, it's been nice you guys get the weekend off.
Here we go. What do you want to know?

Speaker 5 (13:41):
What we're gonna have.

Speaker 7 (13:42):
Willem aguinness is going to be by on Saturday. Saturday,
I'm going to do a Matt and I. You're gonna
do Pats from here. He's getting event that he's going
to be in I think Providence Saturday night, so he's
agreed to to come by and speak with us. He
wasn't he was really booked solid when he was here
for the game Monday night, so we couldn't do it.

(14:04):
So Matt and I are going to do it on
Saturday morning.

Speaker 8 (14:07):
What was like fore fair watching Bille McGuinness like evolve
from a rookie, I mean, high first round pick, but
he was such a i'll tell you key piece of that.

Speaker 7 (14:14):
I know.

Speaker 3 (14:15):
But he had his his big plays, but I'll be honest,
I always thought that he could have been better. Yeah, yeah,
I you know, I really do.

Speaker 7 (14:28):
Before we get started, I just want to let you know,
my boss, who's been part of this for thirty years now,
thinks you're somewhat over Ea.

Speaker 4 (14:36):
I kind of underachieved it.

Speaker 3 (14:38):
I thought that, like he was just such a prototypical
you know, and it's during the Carroll years. They had
this elephant scheme for him and all this stuff, and
I don't think he was used.

Speaker 5 (14:51):
Right then, So I think the big thing for him
was he just wasn't healthy.

Speaker 4 (14:56):
Yeah, I think he was.

Speaker 5 (14:58):
I think the usage thing. I'm not an expert, so
I don't know. I think that was fine for him,
but he was. He was always hurt.

Speaker 7 (15:07):
To what I asked him once about. Yeah, he had
like a surgery. It was like one of my first
I think it might have been my first year. And
then he had a surgery. And I was like, are
you you know, confident that you know this is going
to take care of it? Because he had like this
lingering sort of core issue that led to like hamstring
problems and back problems, and he had like this surgery,
and I just it was kind of an innocuous like

(15:29):
do you feel this is going to take care of it? Basically,
are you confident that you can stay healthy? And he said,
the only the only time I remember missed games in
the past is when I've been hurt.

Speaker 9 (15:39):
Okay, And I was like, ah, I was looking around,
like what does that even mean? And plus he was
kind of a big guy. I don't know if you know,
scary guy.

Speaker 3 (15:49):
He put Brian Moorey in a locker literally, really believe
that's a fact. That's literally, Yeah, he put him in
a locker.

Speaker 4 (15:59):
He is a cliche nice to me.

Speaker 6 (16:00):
Does he still hold the record for playoffs?

Speaker 3 (16:02):
I believe so, yeah, all of them against Jacksonville that
one he had like four.

Speaker 7 (16:09):
Four and a half in a in a division of
wild con coming like.

Speaker 8 (16:13):
So passionately loves the Patriots pro and then just all
of a sudden, like I said.

Speaker 3 (16:22):
Like, I remember a lot of great plays he made,
you know, the goal line stand in Indianapolis and sacks
and all that. So he was a great player. He
was a great player, but like, could he have been better?
Maybe with better coaching, better usage, less injuries.

Speaker 7 (16:38):
The injuries were an issue. And then I think Belichick,
to his credit, to Bill's credit, I think identified, yes,
a plan. You know, you see it all the time
now with players like we saw it all summer, with
guys like Morgan Moses and Harold Landry. You know, not
going to be out there today, nothing to worry about.
You see it during the week. He's got you know,

(16:59):
barball even right, Belichick did that with William McGinnis at
the time that that wasn't all that common, like you know,
you're gonna we need you for this, we need you
for that, don't worry about this. And he kept him healthy,
you know, and I think it really extended his career.

Speaker 6 (17:14):
Yeah, guys like Rabel too, like you know, a rotation
going to.

Speaker 5 (17:17):
Yeah, they had they had six line.

Speaker 4 (17:18):
Back for You would have loved this, Rosie Colvin, you
would have absolutely loved that.

Speaker 7 (17:23):
Three four defense would have been right up your alley.
They had six guys for four spots. Not that they had.
They had three inside guys and three outside guys. And
you know, it was Fifer McGinnis, Johnson, Bruski, Rabel McGinnis,
it was you know, and then Colvin came in, uh,
kind of kind of replacing Ted Johnson a little bit.
But they they had an unbelievable amount of depth at

(17:46):
that spot. Now defenses are much different now you really
only have two linebackers sometimes three on the field now,
you know, regular off the base bases back what's old
is new again? Yeah, but they I always loved watching
I like that, like.

Speaker 4 (18:02):
Intros, like you know, like on Monday night football back
in the day, where they actually did like the cool
like William McGuinness usc you know, and like you look
at like the four Patriots defense and it's just like
they just start rattling off their names and it's just
Richard Seymour, Vince will Fork, William McGuinness, Mike Teddy Bruski,

(18:23):
Roman Fighter, ty Law, Rodney Harrison.

Speaker 5 (18:26):
Literally had this keen studs, this is unbelievable.

Speaker 4 (18:31):
This is easily one of the best defenses of all time.
I mean, this is insane. Even the fourteen defense too.
They when they start rattling it off, you realize that
one was really freaking good too.

Speaker 8 (18:42):
But for me, there was like a confidence in that
two thousand and three, two thousand and four defense with
that group as constituted that you're.

Speaker 6 (18:49):
Right, like fourteen was a good defense.

Speaker 8 (18:51):
But I never felt the same confidence I had that
early two thousands defense, where with those guys, it's just
like you felt like good luck, you know what I mean,
your thing with the nod where you get a couple
of scores. I didn't have a nod, Paul, but I
did have that internal nod where it was just like.

Speaker 7 (19:06):
You guys were operating at a higher level.

Speaker 4 (19:08):
They used to put the graphic up to or like
it would be the position group, so they'd like start
with the D line, linebackers, secondary, and I the linebackers
pop up and it's just Rabel McGinnis, Bruskie and Ted
Johnson like yeah, good luck, no wonder why they won
three had a four.

Speaker 7 (19:25):
But it was even like you know, I throw like
the you know, the Colvin's and yeah, you know, and
the extra cause it was always three for two spots
like it's and I don't mean to be disrespectful.

Speaker 5 (19:37):
The game has changed a lot, but like.

Speaker 7 (19:40):
Now you're sort of plugging in guys that you know, like,
you know, Christian Alis has been a special team right now,
he's got a bigger role as a defense again, no
dame on coming off a great game Monday.

Speaker 5 (19:50):
Night, they had like a pro bowler like to fill in,
you know.

Speaker 7 (19:55):
And and at that time it was like Roman Peiffer
was a really good player with the RAM before he
ever got here, and he was like one of those
guys and Bill used to that was the joke, you know,
like what's your role? You know, it's like when you
you know we're gonna use you situationally, the situation ended
up being every play like him and Rabel played like
over a thousand snaps.

Speaker 5 (20:15):
Like but I was so good.

Speaker 3 (20:17):
I remember with Fifer. In order to get him here,
Bill had to give make a deal that because he
lived in California, you could go home and not come
back to Wednesday.

Speaker 7 (20:26):
Because he was going through a divorce and he wanted
to see his kids, and Bill let him. Bill let
him come back on on uh on Wednesdays, he would
he would skip Monday and Monday and Tuesday.

Speaker 3 (20:37):
Speed writes an email which reminds me of one of
my commute takes that I developed, and it has to
do with the whole Oh, they got a soft schedule
and all this stuff. Everyone agrees that there's not a
lot of, you know, difference between teams in the league
in terms of score. A lot most of these games
are one score game, So what does the schedule matter? Like,

(21:00):
if you're ten and if you're eleven and two in
this league, even if your schedule data wise is the softest,
there's still not a lot of separation between teams in
this league, So what does it matter?

Speaker 4 (21:15):
I think that's a fair take.

Speaker 3 (21:16):
Yeah, that's a good take. I do.

Speaker 4 (21:18):
I think, you know, if one of my nerd friends
did a deep dive on this and found out that
the difference between I think I should get this right,
but the difference between the Patriots schedule and I believe
the hardest schedule in the league is the difference of
like point zero three EPA. Like it's like literally like

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a fraction. And the difference between Drake May's schedule in
Matthew Stafford's schedule when you just look at the defenses
that the two not the teams overall, but just the defenses,
is like this like minute minute decimal of difference in
terms of expected points added or EPA. So it's I

(22:00):
know Paul's going to disagree, but you know.

Speaker 3 (22:02):
It's it's a fact that they have the easiest schedule.
But what does that mean? You have to look at it.

Speaker 4 (22:07):
He did a whole deep dive because they were talking
about Drake May MVP and people are holding the schedule
against him, and he was saying that if you look
at it, the schedule difference between him and Matthew Stafford
is in terms of the defenses that they went up
against is minimal, right, It's decimal points YEP.

Speaker 8 (22:26):
So anyway, yeah, I just like to watch good games
against teams to get me excited.

Speaker 6 (22:31):
That's like, I mean, the schedule stuff to me, That's
what it really.

Speaker 8 (22:34):
Comes down to, is like I I just prefer to
watch games against good teams, you know, exciting teams, you know,
and well, you know, meaningful.

Speaker 3 (22:41):
Games, and meaningful games usually occur with teams that are
good and they have stuff to play for it, especially
this time of the year.

Speaker 6 (22:48):
I mean, there's there's thirty two NFL teams.

Speaker 3 (22:50):
So so anyway, eight five five Pass five hundred is
the Hotline podcast at Patriots dot com is the email address.
Let's you know, it's getting colder out, sure is so
I hope that you're ready for some snow because I'm
predicting we're gonna have a lot of snow this one.

Speaker 5 (23:09):
I'm sorry what I had.

Speaker 2 (23:10):
Seven inches of snow this week, did you?

Speaker 11 (23:12):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (23:12):
Monday Tuesday, after we finished.

Speaker 10 (23:18):
The Mountains, when we were finished recording that show on Monday,
I maybe hung out for an hour and then tried
to go back. I saw like three cars spun out.
The roads are terrible. The pike was not ready for
any snow.

Speaker 2 (23:30):
Yeah, I got a ton I had to.

Speaker 4 (23:31):
Clean my car.

Speaker 7 (23:32):
It was like snow outside of four ninety five, Like
I didn't get any snow at all, like not even
a coating really, but I knew there was some snow.
I didn't realize it was like like significant snow.

Speaker 4 (23:44):
We got a little overnight, little dusting overnight that I
woke up to.

Speaker 3 (23:47):
But other than that, well, it's there's more coming and
it's going to continue to fall. And what it does,
Aaron's is ready to help you tackle it. Aaron's is
proud to be the official snowblower of the New England Patriots.
Visit aarons dot com to find your arrans. So I
started mine up last week, just to make sure we're
good to go. We're good to go. No, I plug

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it electrics in.

Speaker 6 (24:11):
Oh, it's a it's an electric.

Speaker 3 (24:13):
Yeah, you bring the extension court out.

Speaker 6 (24:16):
You gotta keep it plugged.

Speaker 3 (24:17):
You can, you can pull it, but it's much easier
to just plug it in and press a button.

Speaker 5 (24:21):
And that's an electric snowblower.

Speaker 3 (24:22):
Wow, I like it.

Speaker 6 (24:23):
I like that you had an electric lawnmower.

Speaker 3 (24:25):
Well, you don't charge it, there's no battery.

Speaker 7 (24:27):
But this is when I was Yeah, when I was
little and I had a running over extension course ten
of them. Easy, easy. But I had, like I lived
in Edward, we had a tiny like Alan was like
maybe twice the size of the studio.

Speaker 3 (24:41):
What do you need?

Speaker 7 (24:43):
He didn't need a John Deere, you know, or an Errands,
so we did.

Speaker 5 (24:50):
We had an electric lawnmower. Yeah, plug it in.

Speaker 7 (24:53):
The in the garage. That's what I have.

Speaker 3 (24:55):
I go around. I have one now and every once
in a while I would back up, Well you should
get the robotic one.

Speaker 4 (25:02):
Just sit back.

Speaker 7 (25:07):
I've said this before.

Speaker 5 (25:09):
It's a sneaky It's a sneaky.

Speaker 7 (25:11):
Thing that I complain about that I actually like doing.
I enjoy cutting the grass.

Speaker 6 (25:16):
You do a fall clean up at all, you guys
raking leaves getting I.

Speaker 5 (25:19):
Did some leaves about two weeks ago.

Speaker 7 (25:21):
I could probably do another one at some point over
the weekend, but probably won't because I'm going to go
in the Evan route instead and just sit on my
butt and watch football.

Speaker 2 (25:30):
I don't understand raking leaves.

Speaker 3 (25:31):
Yeah, they're just going you don't understand it?

Speaker 10 (25:33):
Yeah, why do Aesthetically I understand, but from an ecosystem perspective, like,
why wouldn't you just want it?

Speaker 2 (25:40):
It's a decompose into the grass.

Speaker 4 (25:42):
Well, here's the thing, nutrients.

Speaker 3 (25:45):
If you do have a nice lawn, or you care
about having a nice if you leave it there all
winter and then the snow gets on it, it's not
good for the lawn. Really. The mulchit you can get some.

Speaker 7 (25:55):
You can get some like brown spots and beare spots
because it can kill the grass. But it's gotta be
really bad to do that for the most part. Like
I don't have that much, and I just have like
a small leaf blower and I just go spend.

Speaker 3 (26:10):
Like a half flowing into the neighbors.

Speaker 5 (26:11):
You sucked them up and it comes into a bag
and you just empty the bat.

Speaker 4 (26:18):
I used to break leaves for some cash on the side,
raking leaves, not a little blue collar. And then I
can't give myself too much credit because one time I
thought it would be cool to put the car stereo
on while breaking the leaves, and I killed the car.

(26:41):
And so I'm parked in this like stranger's driveway and
need them and uh, And I go to get back
in my car with my friend who was we were,
you know, doing it together business partner correct, And I
gotta and I called my dad. I'm like, yeah, I
think the battery is dead. And he was like how
And I was like the radio for the last three hours.

Speaker 3 (27:03):
Man, all right, So it wasn't all good. It was
all right, Well, we got a lot on the table.
None of it's football, but.

Speaker 7 (27:10):
Oh yes, some of it was Charvion Henderson.

Speaker 3 (27:12):
I know, by the way, Pepsi sugar zero, it's a
fan vote. Yeah, so that might explain why, because are
you reads? Our fans are very active emails while he
was saying it, our fans are very active.

Speaker 5 (27:27):
Correct, strong showing in the Pro Bowl voting already too.

Speaker 3 (27:32):
Right, Michael's in Texas. What's up, Michael?

Speaker 12 (27:37):
Hey Thursday?

Speaker 3 (27:38):
You too?

Speaker 6 (27:39):
Thanks?

Speaker 12 (27:41):
Hey, I got a quick question. So I know that
the road to the first seed has it has its obstacles,
But as for winning the division outright, I am kind
of curious. So if if the Bengals win this weekend
against the Bills, does that mean that no, in theory,
regardless of the outcome next weekend, would we win the division?

Speaker 11 (28:05):
No?

Speaker 12 (28:08):
Okay, that's all that I was curious of if I
should be watching for that kind of an excitement, So
then regardless, we still need to be winning against the
Bills to want Well.

Speaker 3 (28:17):
We don't have to beat the Bills to win the division, but.

Speaker 7 (28:20):
If they do beat the Bills automatically, right, it's over right,
clinches it.

Speaker 4 (28:25):
Yeah, but they if they beat the Jets and the Dolphins,
they can lose to the Bills, right and still win
the division. Right, But then you probably have to wait
maybe even all the way till Week eighteen against the
Dolphins to officially clinch. So let's not let's not go down.

Speaker 3 (28:39):
The best way is just beat the Bills and the
hat and T shirtuts and it's done at home.

Speaker 6 (28:44):
What are the conference clinching scenarios.

Speaker 4 (28:46):
Like this gets very confusing?

Speaker 3 (28:48):
Yea.

Speaker 4 (28:48):
So there's conference record, which is the number one tiebreaker,
thanks Michael. Then there's win percentage against common opponents because
there's no head to head because the Patriots aren't playing
the Broncos, so that's not going to be that's the
first one. Then there's win percentage against common opponents, which
as long as the Broncos beat the Raiders on Sunday,
they're going to have in their favor. So the Patriots

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are going to have to have a better conference record
than the Broncos, which I believe. I don't know if
that's going to be possible based off of the rest
of the schedule. So really, the Patriots are gonna have
to finish with a better outright record than Denver. If
both teams win out, Denver is going to be the
number one seed, so they have they have to be
able to.

Speaker 3 (29:33):
To lose.

Speaker 4 (29:34):
But Denver has a tough back end of their schedule. Yes,
so it's Green Bay, Kansas City, Jacksonville Chargers to wrap
up the year.

Speaker 7 (29:44):
For the little tougher than the Patriots.

Speaker 4 (29:45):
I don't know if they're running the table against those fields.

Speaker 7 (29:48):
But if they go let's say they go three and
two and the Patriots go two and two, I think
Denver would get it.

Speaker 4 (29:55):
Yes, you know correct, So it's not because they're both
six and two in conference and then the Patriots finish
all four games are in the a f C. So
if the Patriots, you know, lose, go too and two
in the conference, you know, the end the year, then
they're going.

Speaker 8 (30:09):
To lose the Maybe in the newsletter next week we
should start doing a little rooting guy like you know these.

Speaker 4 (30:14):
Are well the Bills did that and got dragged that
I'm not doing it.

Speaker 3 (30:19):
Then we don't have to because the teams they had
to root for were the worst teams in the league.

Speaker 4 (30:24):
Well, they also don't have to promote it on social media.

Speaker 7 (30:27):
Why do you get everybody does that?

Speaker 4 (30:30):
Not a team.

Speaker 3 (30:31):
I've never seen a team do that.

Speaker 7 (30:33):
Did they like what?

Speaker 6 (30:33):
It was like a social thing where yeah, with social graphic.

Speaker 2 (30:40):
It's our subculture as the back.

Speaker 4 (30:44):
It's very different. It's very different than what the Bills posted,
like we're rooting for like the Giants and the Raiders
and the Titans.

Speaker 3 (30:53):
It's like, you know, it was like, here's your rooting Guyea, Bills,
here's your rooting guide for this weekend. We listed these
teams and they were all the worst teams in the league,
and people were like, you know, good luck with that.

Speaker 7 (31:05):
Well dragged.

Speaker 5 (31:06):
They were like, you have no chance of that.

Speaker 3 (31:08):
Now.

Speaker 7 (31:08):
They were also getting because I've done that.

Speaker 3 (31:11):
I'm just telling you, but you're not patriots social.

Speaker 7 (31:15):
No, But I put on the of the common then
I tweet out the link. So what's the difference you
did do that?

Speaker 4 (31:21):
Of course, the difference is that people have to click on.

Speaker 5 (31:24):
I haven't done it in years.

Speaker 4 (31:25):
For obvious.

Speaker 10 (31:27):
People have to click on a link or on Twitter
and social media. It's like, here, make fun of me,
and this is on a silver platter for you to
do it. No one has to click anything.

Speaker 2 (31:36):
It's just there. You know, it's easy trolling.

Speaker 4 (31:38):
It's it's a different climate, as I found, which is
why fans.

Speaker 7 (31:43):
This is why I don't tweet, because I would think
that that's information that your fans are interesting. Like what
what Evan just explained about the whole conference record for
Denver and the Patriots.

Speaker 5 (31:53):
I don't think every Patriots fan knows that.

Speaker 7 (31:55):
Often what you're worried about that just win and you
don't have to worry about Obviously you're rooting for your
team to win. But like if you're like to Evan's point,
like Patriots fans, you know, root for the Raiders this week.

Speaker 10 (32:14):
In one way, you're presenting playoff scenarios in kind of
a more professional way, like editorially, and the other is like, hey,
root for all these teams that have no chance and
just make fun of us.

Speaker 7 (32:25):
But see, I mean, I won't now and we don't
really write anything anymore, so I don't have to worry
about it. But you don't anything we have to mean,
I mean, you want breakdowns like basically the only thing
we write it. I appreciate that, but the Raiders. The
Raiders were like that be a rooting guide. I would

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be if I was still doing what I had done
the last five years, I would be writing, this is
your rooting gude this week?

Speaker 2 (32:51):
You want do you want to do it this week?

Speaker 12 (32:53):
No?

Speaker 7 (32:53):
Evidently it's the worst thing in the world. You are right, Alex,
thank you for that. I can't smoke, but I don't
want to invite the smoke.

Speaker 4 (33:03):
I also think that it was partially like we're this
is the Bills we're talking about, Like this is a
team that's supposed to be a Super Bowl contender, and
they're like, we got a root for the Raiders, you know.

Speaker 3 (33:13):
Like so it was.

Speaker 5 (33:16):
Just out of curiosity. But would it all be inside
the one twenty eight area?

Speaker 7 (33:20):
Yeah, because that's what this sounds like to me, because
I absolutely been rooting for the Raiders if I were
a Patriots fan this week. And I don't think it's
anything embarrassing about Yeah.

Speaker 4 (33:26):
No, I said, the ESPN has a playoff machine that
you and I spend a little bit too much time
valuable tool, and so you can what you can do
is you can pick the games and then it tells
you how it impacts the standings. So I've gone through
and done plenty of permutations with the Denver Broncos and
the Patriots to figure out how we don't have to

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go to Denver early for me to do it, but
that it's only four weeks.

Speaker 7 (33:51):
The ESPN Playoff Predictor is one of the most valuable
tools out there because.

Speaker 4 (33:55):
We all don't want to go play in Denver. So
I'm trying to figure out how do we avoid playing
in Denver.

Speaker 5 (34:02):
Attitude we played bro, I don't.

Speaker 4 (34:05):
Because I'm taking Drake. Yeah, but weren't you the.

Speaker 3 (34:10):
One last week saying you don't want to play in Denver.
Weren't you the one saying that.

Speaker 7 (34:16):
That's probably me?

Speaker 4 (34:17):
There's no way that was I thought you were.

Speaker 2 (34:20):
You were the one saying Evan was getting told for
dismissing Denver not caring.

Speaker 7 (34:24):
I know now he is, but I thought I have
to defend Evan actually said that he would rather play
Kansas City than Denver.

Speaker 4 (34:31):
I did, and that's how this all started.

Speaker 5 (34:33):
Okay, okay, you know a lot of people.

Speaker 3 (34:36):
Maybe you were the one saying I don't want to
play Kansas City.

Speaker 4 (34:38):
I don't want to play Kansas City. Why is that
because they have Patrick Mahomes Okay, have freaking.

Speaker 3 (34:43):
Nothing to do with their city, because we wouldn't playing
right now. Yea.

Speaker 4 (34:49):
My whole take on this has been the same. I
just don't want to play like. I'd rather play like
not the good quarterbacks, Like, if they can avoid Burrow Mahomes,
Lamar Allen, they get a road that is, you know,
Daniel Jones and bow Nicks to the Super Bowl. I agree,
like I would much rather that.

Speaker 2 (35:07):
Run scarier than the offense.

Speaker 4 (35:12):
Yeah, that's all I've said significantly.

Speaker 5 (35:14):
Yeah, he's been consistent.

Speaker 4 (35:16):
The future Hall of Fame quarterbacks.

Speaker 3 (35:17):
Don't know scared all right, let's go to you and
I don't like that. I lock you. Let's go to
Tony in Canada. What's up Tony, Tony, Hi, guys.

Speaker 13 (35:29):
Good morning. So yeah, I'm kind of glad that we
won't have things locked up until next week when we
play Buffalo, assuming we beat them. But listening to Alex
and Barth Catch twenty two on their last show, they
talked about how the Patriots have been struggling lately to

(35:50):
shut down the running game. So I'm wondering is that
a possibility. Can we lock that back up again and
really you know, keep Buffalo because I know that's how
we won our last game. I think we we put
it on their running game and we were basically able
to shut out the rest of it. Is that a
possibility that we can do that? And if not, how

(36:10):
do you guys see us winning welcoming playoffs?

Speaker 3 (36:14):
I think it starts at least that week getting Tonga back. Yeah,
that would that would really help. But then you know
you're not gonna have Milton Williams and he was a
big part of stopping the run.

Speaker 4 (36:24):
Yeah, I think that's the good news is that they're
supposed to get both Tonga and Williams back.

Speaker 3 (36:32):
Oh you think so, well, not for this game, but
yeah eventually yeah, but he's talking about the Buffalo.

Speaker 4 (36:37):
Thought, Oh yeah, but like big picture, Oh yeah, they're
gonna get maybe even Tonga back after the bye, so
it's you know, help is on the way. But over
the last month, their run defenses down near the bottom
of the league in pretty much every stat you know,
yards per carry, e PA, rush success, whatever, So they've
kind of fallen off a cliff like they were great

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for the first nine weeks of the season, and Milton
Williams gets hurt, Tonga gets banged up, and all of
a sudden, the run defense is falling apart a little bit.
So Buffalo ran for two forty nine against Pittsburgh last week,
and then you have Baltimore the following week, so that
is and they're not going to get Milton Williams back
for either of those games, right, So it is a

(37:19):
little scary.

Speaker 8 (37:20):
You just hope that, you know, guys like splain maybe
the heel up a little bit, get a little bit refreshed.

Speaker 3 (37:25):
Night.

Speaker 8 (37:26):
Seems to me like that as I've read more, it
seems like management with Spalaine getting him off the field,
getting Landry off the field, that was you know, we
were wondering if he was sick, if he got hurt.

Speaker 6 (37:35):
But it seems like so.

Speaker 7 (37:37):
I'll ask you, I'll last dream makes sense. I'm not
sure about the other.

Speaker 3 (37:40):
I'll ask you ball knowers. If you go into Buffalo
and the next week Baltimore without Milton Williams, does going
man to man more help you.

Speaker 4 (37:52):
Try to scheme to stop the run because you can
get the extra hat in the box. Yeah, I guess
In theory. You know, I would like to see them
maybe play some bass against Buffalo.

Speaker 3 (38:03):
But what is based on this team?

Speaker 4 (38:05):
Base defense? But what is their base just four guys no, no,
like through actual base defense. Yeah, not basically Spline and
Gibbs like like like by definitely like the actual base
No Marcus Jones, four defensive backs Mary, Yeah, because I don't.
I just don't think that, you know, Buffalo's downfield passing

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game is anything to worry about, especially with your corners.

Speaker 7 (38:30):
So it's not wrong.

Speaker 4 (38:32):
I think they're going to reinvent themselves a little bit
around James Cook being sort of the engine of their offense,
because that's their best thing they got going right now.
And if I'm the Patriots, I'd put five guys up
on the line of scrimmage and I challenge them to
throw the ball down the field against Davis and Gonzalez.

Speaker 6 (38:50):
The mobility though of Allen and and Lamar Warre you
the man defense, it.

Speaker 7 (38:55):
Would worry me a little bit. And it also the
stage of the season that we're in with those two
teams and the desperation factor I expect to I don't
know about Lamar because he clearly is not healthy, but
with Allen, I think you might see a different version
of Allen. And I'm not talking about playing better than
he did in the first game. Just like Superhero Allan,

(39:17):
this is the time of year. We can't afford anymore
slip ups. We need this game and he's gonna get
Superman it.

Speaker 4 (39:23):
I just wonder if you know, if you put if
you're rushing five or using the five guys in the
line of scrimmage to stop the run, in theory, you're
covering all the gaps on the line of scrimmage. So
like if you play with discipline and in your sound
and your gaps, like you know, you can make it
so that he can't really go anywhere, you know, if
you're if you're on your p's and q's with it.

(39:43):
But you know, I just I watched Buffalo and you
can't let them run on you like they did against Pittsburgh,
like you have to. Like that's that's the engine of
the offense right now, is James Cook and they're running games.

Speaker 7 (39:54):
And I do get that they ran for a ton
of yards. I just you don't score doing that. But
it's and I'm not being stubborn, like they only scored
nineteen points. But Pittsburgh never had the ball either, So
all that time that they're running like that, you can't score.
And that's got Drake May on the sideline. That's got
to be part of you know, that's probably part of

(40:16):
Sean mcdermot's mindset. If he does what Evans saying and
turns it over to Cook and they have success doing it,
they might not score a lot of points, but they're
going to keep the score down.

Speaker 3 (40:25):
I wonder though, because Rogers didn't look good in that game,
their offense. Steelers offense didn't look good.

Speaker 5 (40:33):
I wonder if the Steels offense is terrible.

Speaker 3 (40:34):
Yeah, so I wonder if they if the Bills were
playing a good offense, how that would change what they're doing.

Speaker 7 (40:41):
Well, I would just say, like, in the first half,
did you watch the game at all? Yeah, seriously, because
the first half Buffalo completely controlled and they were losing
seven to three. To your point, Fred, like, if you
can't score right, and then you're giving a good offense
for New England, the opportunity maybe that they maybe the
Patriots come out of that first half if Buffalo squanders

(41:04):
you know, Allan threw a pick to stop the first drive.
James Cook fumbled by knocking the ball out of his
own hands with his own knee on another drive that
they were on the move, and that happens. You know,
stuff like that happens, and the scores down. May's going
to put seventeen on the board and now you're down
seventeen three instead of seven three. Can you go out

(41:25):
and run the ball thirty times in the second half again?

Speaker 4 (41:28):
But I think this is why they're gonna My guess
is his buffalo is going to come out in that
game and try to run the ball. So if you
stop the run, that's how you you know, that's how
you build a seventeen to three lead at halftime. I
don't know if they're going to get the turnover look
that Pittsburgh has gotten really all year, frankly.

Speaker 7 (41:45):
But what I'm saying is if you if you don't
stop the run, worst case scenario, it's.

Speaker 4 (41:49):
Like what happened, possessed the ball for forty two minutes.

Speaker 7 (41:52):
But if they don't score touchdowns and the Patriots get
the ball, they're not going to do it.

Speaker 5 (41:56):
Aaron I am with Fred on this.

Speaker 7 (41:57):
Aaron Rodgers was so bad and Pittsburgh's offense was so
bad that it allowed Buffalo to eventually get going in
the second half. Now, maybe they get going right out
of the shoot if they run the ball, they don't
turn the ball over the way they did against Pittsburgh, and.

Speaker 5 (42:11):
They get a lead of their own. But I take
my chances.

Speaker 4 (42:14):
I just look at you know, like the way Houston
played them, which I think is more indicative of like
a straight up game, like Buffalo fumbling and James Cook
fumbling because he hits himself in the knee and then
fumbles the ball does not count as like a great
defensive playerable, right, So you know, Houston really got them
into third and long and they don't have any answers
on third and long, no other than Josh Allen doing

(42:36):
something crazy.

Speaker 3 (42:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (42:37):
So like I just I think that, you know, when
you watch their team, their offensive line and James Cook
is the best thing that they got going right now offensively,
I think even better than Allen. Like Allen's not played
particularly great for the last month or so.

Speaker 5 (42:50):
Yeah, the last five weeks.

Speaker 4 (42:51):
So I think that those two things are Their offensive
line is fantastic.

Speaker 1 (42:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (42:56):
When Tongo was a big part of that week that
win for the Patriots too, it was really dominant side him.

Speaker 6 (43:00):
Remember we get national attention for that.

Speaker 2 (43:01):
That was like his breakout game where we were all like,
holy crap, Tonga.

Speaker 8 (43:04):
Yeah, I wonder too though to your point out of
you know, containing Alan playing your gaps. If you've got
Josh Farmer playing a little bit, you've got Elijah Ponder
playing a little bit, you know, some of these less
experienced guys who maybe aren't quite as disciplined, and you know,
Corey Durden, like, you know, are they gonna lose the
gap integrity?

Speaker 7 (43:22):
And I would just say, you know, like that night,
all those things that you just said happened, and Buffalo
still scored twenty points while turning the ball over three
times and committing eleven penalties. So you might need a
little help again if you're gonna eat, because I do that.
I mean, James Cook didn't have fifty yards. They didn't
let James Cook run all over him that night, Tong guy,

(43:43):
I do remember exactly what you and Alex were talking about.

Speaker 5 (43:45):
He had a big game that.

Speaker 4 (43:47):
Yeah, the gap discipline is huge because Cook is he
wants to cut it back. So like if you over
pursue the ball, He's just going to cut it back.
And so it's not just against Alan, it's also their
run games, very zone heavy, and they want to set
up those ut back lanes and if you get out
of your gap, then he's just gonna hit it.

Speaker 3 (44:04):
Anthony's in Seattle, Hey, Anthony, with my people, How you doing.

Speaker 5 (44:10):
I feel like we had a little bit of a
mind mail.

Speaker 14 (44:12):
Would you guys think it was going a little bit
tripped down memory lane talking about some old hatreds teams.

Speaker 7 (44:18):
I it's funny.

Speaker 14 (44:19):
I was talking to a guy yesterday and I said, man,
we only got four games left.

Speaker 7 (44:24):
I got it blew by.

Speaker 14 (44:25):
I'm you know, I tell you what I'm I'm never
going to forget this twenty twenty five Patriots team. And
it made me realize, like, you know, this is the
first team that I you know, got on a plane
and went, you know, flew out and to go see
play at Gilette. The twenty twenty five fan experience, you
know where I'm able to you know, stick it to
some bills fans. I had one guy just throwing the towel.
He doesn't even respond to me anymore. Like this, this

(44:48):
is this has been a I could feel myself looking
back already at this team that they're either going to
win a title, which is going to immortalize them, or
you know, they're not. And I'm still gonna kind of
look back and smile and say, Man, that twenty twenty
five team, that's you know, they were good.

Speaker 15 (45:02):
They just were They just were too young.

Speaker 14 (45:04):
And it made me think about, you know, either way,
this is this is one of my favorite teams. And
it made me think a little bit about how Evan
speaks about the twenty fifteen team, and I was curious,
if you guys have any of like not the obvious ones,
not the championship ones, and or even like seven which
didn't win a championship.

Speaker 16 (45:22):
Do you guys have.

Speaker 5 (45:23):
Any that are like this is?

Speaker 14 (45:25):
This is one of my favorite teams that if I
had to make a list of my top ten, I
don't know where i'd rank them, but I like this,
This twenty twenty five Patriots.

Speaker 17 (45:32):
Team would be on my list.

Speaker 14 (45:34):
And I was just curious, what if you guys have
any teams like that?

Speaker 3 (45:37):
Well, it's it's certainly a likable team, there's no doubt
about it. Thanks Anthony. You know, yeah, I don't know
about talent wise, if it's one of the most talented,
ever hard to beat some of those dynasty teams and
even like late seventies, but it's you know, if if
you're talking about the likability factor, this team has to

(45:57):
be way up there. Yeah, what's not to like?

Speaker 10 (46:00):
I think you have like your seven teams, which is
like obvious, but I think the premise of like his question,
it usually tends to be those for me, at least
those teams that are like not to bring back, like
the power of friendship, like a fact that's going on
right now. But I think about some Red Sox teams
that made like twenty one Red Sox made a good run.

(46:20):
Some of those like Isaiah Thomas Celtics teams that like
it was the Bridge years, but you could see yourself
getting somewhere and you really enjoyed watching even though they
weren't necessarily contenders.

Speaker 8 (46:32):
Yeah, the six team to me, not because I thought
the power of friendship with that team or anything. It
was just that was the year where I felt like
I went full psycho about it.

Speaker 4 (46:41):
That team was not very good news. No they weren't,
but I'm surprised you picked that up every game.

Speaker 7 (46:46):
And why I think you know, that's what you're talking
about like they absolutely maximized every they had. It got
as far as they possibly could happen.

Speaker 8 (46:55):
And I don't even know, to be honest, if that's
like like I love the team for what they did,
and I mean the San Diego experience for me in
the playoff that defined it.

Speaker 6 (47:04):
I didn't think they were necessarily a special team.

Speaker 8 (47:05):
It was just a team that I was like, truly
ride or die every moment the Dion Branch trade.

Speaker 6 (47:12):
I came to the opener.

Speaker 8 (47:13):
It was the first time I'd been to Gillette Stadium,
So you know, that's it's not really the answer to
the question, but that's a random team that not everybody
loves that.

Speaker 7 (47:20):
I just always remember what was the opponent in the
opener at Joe's State Buffalo nineteen seventeen.

Speaker 3 (47:25):
Yeah, it was safe. Me and my sister.

Speaker 6 (47:28):
We had way too much fun in the parking lot.
I've told the story before.

Speaker 8 (47:30):
We're sprinting up the ramps to get to our seats
because like the flyovers going on, and literally we get
to our seats, we sit down, it's like safety.

Speaker 3 (47:37):
Great to start the game.

Speaker 5 (47:38):
I'm like, oh, this is incredible. That was a touchdown
to start.

Speaker 7 (47:40):
It was a touchdown. Sorry, I believe it was a
too Spikes strip sack fumble return for a touchdown. But
Ty Warren safety, yes, that the fourth quarter won the game.

Speaker 6 (47:49):
You you nailed it, Paul Alex.

Speaker 4 (47:51):
This team Tatum's rookie year, where like they took Lebron
and the Cavs a game seven, he dumps on them.
They lose, but like you were like, holy crap, like
they just arrived. Like this team is got a superstar,
and obviously Drake would be Jason Tatum in this case.

Speaker 10 (48:08):
And I think that's why a big part of it
comes from like hope and the future, like looking like,
oh what could this be? Like it's like the playing
with house money effect kind of.

Speaker 4 (48:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (48:19):
All right, I was gonna say something. I forgot what
it was. Uh honest, honest, that's his name. It's from
North Carolina. What's up?

Speaker 17 (48:30):
How you doing?

Speaker 7 (48:31):
All right?

Speaker 17 (48:32):
Good?

Speaker 6 (48:33):
What's up?

Speaker 14 (48:34):
All right?

Speaker 17 (48:35):
Look, I'm trying my hardest not to be delusional, but
we got an MVP, we got a Coach of the Year.
Everything is looking great. I think we about to go
get us a super Bowl.

Speaker 3 (48:46):
Man, There's nothing delusional. Yeah, why not?

Speaker 17 (48:52):
When I watched the Patriots play at home. It's like
I get flashbacks to Tom Brady and Bronk and Edelman
and all the good days. It's like it just the
energy feels like that and you're.

Speaker 3 (49:03):
Letting know, Yeah, okay, so winning team, go with it. Honest.

Speaker 17 (49:07):
No team, no team really like strikes fear in me,
like I feel I'm gonna went to the Baltimore game
week sixteen, and before the before the season started, I
was kind of scared of that game. Now I'm like,
we're gonna walk the dogs with me.

Speaker 3 (49:24):
Yep, let's go. Let's go.

Speaker 2 (49:29):
I love that I wrote no delusion will get you
very fat.

Speaker 5 (49:32):
But I don't think it's de loosing.

Speaker 3 (49:33):
Honest.

Speaker 5 (49:34):
You're eleven and two right, and you got the enjoy it.

Speaker 8 (49:36):
I mean, this is you've got to the point where
you don't have to worry about football this weekend. You
can sit back. You're you know, your first team to
eleven wins. I mean you should feel great. You don't
know how the rest of it's going to go, and
that's really what's gonna matter. But that's to me, I'm like,
just win the division. But this weekend should be like
you should be feeling like that because you don't know
how it's.

Speaker 4 (49:53):
Gonna there's a little house money going on right now. Absolutely,
And I obviously it would be bummed if they lost
in the playoffs or you know, didn't win a playoff
game or anything. But you know this wasn't supposed to
happen this year, right. I loved take it.

Speaker 7 (50:07):
Like I loved your Bridges comparison. It's like no one
expected those teams to do it. They didn't even when
Tatum got there. And your comparison of Tatum to to
Drake is is really good. Like that team wasn't good
enough drafted there, do you know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (50:23):
Good point, Yeah, but.

Speaker 7 (50:24):
They were there at the end of the at the
end of the day, and you could see better things were.

Speaker 2 (50:28):
Coming out of North Carolina.

Speaker 4 (50:31):
Yeah wrong, North Carolina School. We're gonna go.

Speaker 3 (50:34):
And Chad's hanging in Dallas a second.

Speaker 4 (50:38):
That's pretty cool, know the state of North Carolina.

Speaker 16 (50:42):
Cha Hey, I got I'm beat down here. I'm making
it quick and easy for y'all. I think we should
take this in the off season because the wide receiver
peak is way higher than corner peak, and I feel
like an offense is more needing than the defense, right,
now with our defensive line being pretty decent and stopping

(51:03):
and run and everything. And the last thing I got is,
I'm really worried about the Patriots wanting out, wanting done
in the playoffs, because I really don't think they played
anybody good. And the Bills we hold. The Bills went
to high standards and everything, but we hold the The

(51:24):
Steelers lost to like mediocre or whatever. We shouldn't lost
that game. But the same concept happened on both sides
of the ball. I mean both teams, as in, we
we turned the ball over too much in Steelers, and
then I feel like the Bills turned the ball over
too much. And if I can get everything with equals,
that game will be a lot more tighter.

Speaker 3 (51:47):
I mean, you have a real down or you want
to trade. Do you think we're gonna be one and done?

Speaker 4 (51:53):
Well, yeah, I don't really understand that. I don't unders
saying the wide receiver point with with God, what do
you mean by the wide receiver?

Speaker 3 (52:04):
Use the assets that you get from the trade to
get a wide receiver?

Speaker 16 (52:07):
Okay, what I mean by that is I don't think
no matter how good Christianalez is chasing justin by a
higher peak can never shut those people down no matter
what at the end of the day. So I think
it's more useful to have a better wide receiver than
a really good corner.

Speaker 7 (52:27):
Okay, philosophically, I mean that's that's a point of view.

Speaker 8 (52:30):
Mar Yeah, would you do marginal Booty and Gonzales justin Jefferson.

Speaker 7 (52:36):
With Minnesota?

Speaker 4 (52:37):
Yeah, I don't know. Maybe I don't know. I don't
necessarily agree with the premise that Gonzo. Like last year
Week one, Goza did a pretty good, darn good job
on Jamar Chase, Like you know, I guess.

Speaker 7 (52:52):
I mean, I think a lot of Gonzales, but I
kind of agree with his point about the receiver is
being more important than the corner.

Speaker 5 (53:03):
But Gonzo's really good. I wouldn't be wanting to trade him.

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Speaker 20 (55:16):
And welcome to another edition of Pats from the Past podcast.
It's Matt Smith alongside with poulp Rollow and we are
really pleased to be joined by number eighty in your scorecard,
but number one in our hearts, at least for today,
the great and I'm not we we over use the
word great a lot of times.

Speaker 4 (55:31):
We're not us.

Speaker 3 (55:32):
We're using it today is irving Friar.

Speaker 21 (55:34):
Irving, thank you so much for joining us. Really appreciate it, Matt.
It's it's my pleasure. I don't get a chance to
come back this way too often. But I'm here to
watch the game today. I'm here to cheer the Patriots on.
I'm also get a chance to see my son and
my grandchildren because they're up here in Boston.

Speaker 3 (55:51):
That's great.

Speaker 7 (55:52):
Is that the impetus for coming back here?

Speaker 1 (55:54):
Because it's you're I mean, I just came back just
to be honest, you know, right right, I mean, it's like, what.

Speaker 7 (55:59):
Was what was your impetus?

Speaker 20 (56:00):
Because it's great when some of the people like, there's
a lot of people ierving in this area and understandably so,
think the franchise started in two thousand and one, and
that's not the case, you know, so when somebody like
you comes back here, you're literally franchise royalty.

Speaker 1 (56:13):
What was the impetus to come back here?

Speaker 21 (56:14):
Well, the impetus to come back was an email that
I received from the Patriots organization inviting some of the
alumni boss they put together an opportunity of program or
an event. I guess you could call either one of
those for us to come back and have a space
for us where we can bring a couple of guests.

Speaker 1 (56:31):
And I'm real still good friends with Tony Collins.

Speaker 21 (56:34):
We stay in contact with one another, and he came
several weeks ago, and I think he brought like nineteen
cats with him and they all had Tony Collins jerseys
on and I saw that he posted it.

Speaker 1 (56:43):
I saw it. I called him and he told me
about it.

Speaker 21 (56:45):
So I responded to the email, got in touch with Jeff,
talked with Kate, and here I am.

Speaker 6 (56:51):
That's great, that's great.

Speaker 7 (56:53):
Yeah, So first of all, what are you up to now?
Before we get into memory lane? You know what I yeah,
I mean, you look like you could still play. Matt
and I were joking with you with.

Speaker 1 (57:03):
Ten start for sure.

Speaker 7 (57:04):
It looks like you could get out and jump in
the X spot right now and run ten go routes.
No problem.

Speaker 1 (57:10):
Well, I still do workout, and I work hard, so
I'm working harder. I listen.

Speaker 21 (57:16):
I had some surgery a little while ago. I had
a stone in my bladder, and yeah, that was a
bad experience. So I'm doing the best that I can
to stay as healthy as I can, and part of
that is working out. But what I'm doing now, I've
been doing the past what twenty five years now, almost,
and that's I'm still pastoring.

Speaker 6 (57:36):
That's great.

Speaker 1 (57:37):
I'm actually pastoring at two different churches now, but I'm
still doing that.

Speaker 21 (57:41):
You can't. I can't get away from it. I can't
run from it. I tried several times, trust me, and
it is what it is. It's a it's a calling
that you become a prisoner too, as the Apostle Paul
says in scripture.

Speaker 1 (57:53):
And you can't get away from it. So I'm enjoying it.

Speaker 21 (57:56):
I love loving people, and we need love more than
anything in today's world.

Speaker 1 (58:03):
Yep, you know it better than I do.

Speaker 21 (58:05):
So I do podcasts, I do some analysis with the
Eagles down in Philadelphia, but most of my work, most
of my attention, most of my focus is with the church.

Speaker 1 (58:16):
And when he sold, that's great.

Speaker 20 (58:19):
So let's go down memory lane, Irving, and I don't
think a lot of younger people would remember.

Speaker 1 (58:23):
And you're you're in a fraternity or that's pretty select.

Speaker 20 (58:27):
There aren't many wide receivers that were selected number one
overall in the draft. I know Kishan's one of them
because I can remember that that was after me, right,
And there's another gentleman whose name I can't remember.

Speaker 1 (58:39):
I think from the sixties.

Speaker 20 (58:39):
Yeah, you're the number one pick in the NFL What
was that like for a kid coming out of Nebraska
from South Jersey.

Speaker 6 (58:47):
What was that like at the time to be the
number one pick overall?

Speaker 21 (58:50):
Well, it wasn't the pomping circumstance that you have now
with all of the celebration and you know the you
know they have they sell tickets to the draft now
and it's thousands of people that show up in whatever
city they're having the draft.

Speaker 1 (59:02):
It wasn't like that when I was drafted.

Speaker 21 (59:04):
I actually signed my contract before the draft, and probably
by the time.

Speaker 1 (59:08):
The draft came, I had spent like twenty five grand.

Speaker 21 (59:12):
But the day of the draft, they sent a car
down to New Jersey, picked myself and my mother up.
We went to the draft, they announced it, we did
an interview, we got back in the car and went
back home.

Speaker 1 (59:23):
That was as exciting as it was believing.

Speaker 21 (59:26):
But there's something interesting that I kind of just realized
maybe several months ago I was doing an interview and
begin to talk about it and thinking about being drafted
as the number one pick.

Speaker 1 (59:37):
But I was drafted as a wide receiver.

Speaker 21 (59:39):
I was a wing back in college, right, So as
a wing back in college, my one on ones in
practice were in a three point stance, blocking down on
defensive ends or blocking linebackers my one on ones in practice.
Never at Nebraska were me standing up or even out
split out running routes against the as a back. So

(01:00:01):
the first time I had ever run a route against
the defensive back standing up was my first day in
training camp. I had never done that before, and man,
I got my behind quite a few times because Raymond
Claybourne and riding the pit. Those guys did not play.
They were great cornerbacks and I had to face them

(01:00:22):
every day. So it was a learning curve for me
that was pretty pretty long. It took me a minute
to get my feet up underneath me to learn how
to be a wide receiver, and we didn't throw the
ball that much, and I really didn't become, I feel,
a good receiver until I went to Miami where they
focused on through it.

Speaker 7 (01:00:39):
So what was your experience, Like you mentioned the guys
on the defensive side, but you had a pretty good
wide receiver on the other side.

Speaker 1 (01:00:46):
And stands in the morning.

Speaker 5 (01:00:47):
Yeah, So what was it like sort of trying to
pick his brain.

Speaker 1 (01:00:50):
A little bit.

Speaker 21 (01:00:50):
Well, here's the story behind Stanley. So yes, I come in,
I'm a wing back. I don't have a clue as
to what I'm doing at the wide receiver position. So
I know Stanley's here. I've heard of Stanley. I've actually
watched him several times in games, and so I'm figuring
I'm going to get some tootelitch from him and he's
going to help me out.

Speaker 3 (01:01:09):
Well.

Speaker 21 (01:01:10):
When I got drafted, Ron Myers was the head coach YEP.
Ron Myers was falling out with Stanley Morgan. They both
were having a falling out. I think Ron was trying
to get rid of Stanley. So when I came in,
Ron put me at the same position as Stanley, so
I was a threat to Stanley. He and Ron were
going at it. I'm on the same side, so Stanley
didn't talk to me. He didn't say a word to me.

(01:01:32):
Halfway through my rookie year, Ron Myers gets fired, Raymond
Barry comes in.

Speaker 1 (01:01:37):
Raymond Barry takes me and he puts me on the
other side of Stanley.

Speaker 21 (01:01:40):
So now Stanley and I are playing at the same time,
rather than me playing and Stanley on the side, or
Stanley playing to.

Speaker 1 (01:01:46):
Me on the sideline. But Stanley the damage had already
been done, so Stanley still wasn't.

Speaker 3 (01:01:50):
Talking to me.

Speaker 21 (01:01:51):
So my whole rookie year, and I don't blame him,
but my whole rookie year, Stanley didn't say a word
to me, not one single word, because I was a
threat to him.

Speaker 7 (01:02:00):
Matt, we're not even ten minutes in and you're you're
sort of finding out why the Patriots struggled so much
and now great moments in.

Speaker 3 (01:02:12):
History. So I do the thing where you see somebody
in their car they're about to leave, so you pull over,
put your single line and just sit there. So this
guy in a big tesla comes up right in front
of me, starts giving me the hands like what what
I'm like? You know, most go around, go around. You know,
He's like, you wouldn't do it, It wouldn't go around. Finally,
you know, he decides, oh, I'll go around. So he

(01:02:34):
goes around. But then he decides to do a pull
up roll down. He pulls up next to me. Now
he pulls the pull up, pull up roll down and
pulls down the window. So he starts talking to me,
and I just say, keep effing driving, just like that.
You had the kids in the back seat. I don't care,
but I just say keep f and he goes, we'll
talk later.

Speaker 6 (01:02:54):
I know we won't, you know, but ended it. That
was it.

Speaker 7 (01:02:58):
That's another great moment from.

Speaker 3 (01:03:02):
Yeah, that's up to the Burlington Mall. You're ready, You're ready,
the Forest Cafe while I was in the parking lot.
Small cool. All right back here eight five to five
Pats five hundred is the hot line. But before we
get to that deuce, that's right, Pilot stuff, It's time.

Speaker 8 (01:03:20):
For the co pilot stuff, also known as the Question
of the Week, presented by Microsoft Copilot, where every day
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the Patriots are on a ten game win streak right now,
and the question this week is to stack up in
team history other extended Patriot win streaks.

Speaker 4 (01:03:43):
Okay, well, here's the question before I answer. Are we
talking about wind streaks over both spans of seasons or
within a season.

Speaker 8 (01:03:51):
Let's begin with over seasons, because that's they're not quite
there yet, but over the twenty one twenty one is
the top. That's right, that's right, that's the one from
December two thousand and six all the way through uh nine,
two thousand and eight that was included the two thousand
and seven sixteen O season also had an eighteen game
regular season win streak from three to four into that season,

(01:04:14):
and then there were uh five times they've gone on
ten game win streaks when you connect the two seasons.

Speaker 6 (01:04:20):
But just for single season.

Speaker 4 (01:04:22):
They had to be super Bowl seasons right from six
to seven, O six to eight. So they want to
they have regular not talking playoffs, not concerned yourself, big game.

Speaker 3 (01:04:36):
Regular because he's just talking regular season.

Speaker 4 (01:04:39):
I mean they lost in the six playoffs and the
seven right now, we're just we're just talking regular seasons.

Speaker 8 (01:04:44):
So when you extend over two seasons, regular season, but
that's not no, but just for a single season, no.

Speaker 6 (01:04:50):
No, no, this is tied for third, tied for third.

Speaker 1 (01:04:53):
Fringer wagon.

Speaker 3 (01:04:54):
No, it doesn't. I don't even want to talk about
regular season that that goes into the other season. It's
a I love this whole thing.

Speaker 4 (01:05:00):
And then you got to win the Super Bowl, right right,
you lost the game?

Speaker 3 (01:05:05):
All right?

Speaker 6 (01:05:05):
What about just within a single season?

Speaker 8 (01:05:07):
How about that within a single regular season of course
two thousand and seven, sixteen, sixteen, and oh twelve in
a row in two thousand and three. Yes, and there's
one other time they've won ten in a row. Boom
y are nailed it. Yeah, so tied for third longest
regular season win streak. Here is you're watching online, you
can see.

Speaker 6 (01:05:25):
Cop pilots spit it out at you. But impressive, I
mean carving out their little spot in the.

Speaker 4 (01:05:31):
Twenty fifteen team was so good if they they just
got hurt at the end of the year.

Speaker 6 (01:05:35):
Yeah, right, they lost on Lewis Bill lost his mind too.

Speaker 7 (01:05:38):
That that was part of it.

Speaker 6 (01:05:39):
Oh, the Harber's muff game.

Speaker 3 (01:05:41):
So the funny thing about the co Pilot don't make
me do the greatest hits is that every time we
do this on Thursday, du says, don't forget when we
come out of the break, I'm gonna be doing the
co pilot and like, yeah, dude, you just take it,
and without fail, every time we come out of the break,
I forget, you know, I like giving you your space,
I like do this this time. He's like Saul while

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I was doing it too.

Speaker 6 (01:06:06):
Because he was looking at you.

Speaker 8 (01:06:08):
Now it's everyone's favor segment I say, I was really
bummed out everything that Paul wasn't here last week, because
it was really one directed towards the nineteen ninety six season,
which was when the Patriots played the Giants on a
Saturday and it was a big game, and I was
like quizzing.

Speaker 6 (01:06:21):
Paul's like, I was upset you weren't there. Paul I
kind of came up.

Speaker 7 (01:06:24):
With this twenties.

Speaker 8 (01:06:25):
He's ripping them off, and then I'm like, there's one
more and then he's like and I'm like eh, and
then all of a sudden, You're like, oh, I was there.

Speaker 3 (01:06:32):
I was uh Spiin Fresner writes, said, Fred does indeed
bring a sharp editorial eye when selecting much emails to read.
He's filtered out most of my awful ones over the years,
thankfully concealing the true depths of my idiocy. Combined that
with Fred's refined taste for forty percent fat burger meat,
and we can easily grasp how the Kingmaker has a
sentence was thrown anyway into the thrown anyway, Yeah you

(01:06:55):
know what I mean? Yeah, anyway to weigh in on
the saft scheduling thing, I get that evanence tired of
the way some people have brought it up. But I
think I agree with Paul that we'll have to wait
and see if the cupcakeness of it all actually tells
us something meaningful. For example, if the Patriots flame out
in the postseason and struggle next year against different competition,
how couldn't one refer back to the soft schedule as

(01:07:18):
a central reason for the twenty twenty five looks. Whether
Sincy Homer Evan likes it or not, there are multiple
ways it could end up a meaningful part of the story. Well,
what happens if next year the Patriots don't do as well,
but Kansas City's back, and Buffalo although the windows closed,
but the Ravens are back.

Speaker 7 (01:07:39):
That was well done right there, That was good.

Speaker 4 (01:07:41):
I mean those could be factors too, But like you
also have to see how it looks this year in
the playoffs, like if they play I'm just gonna use
the Bills. If they play Josh Allen and the Bills
and they lose forty five forty and like a classic
like are you gonna sit there and say, well, frauds?

Speaker 5 (01:07:56):
Nope, you're right, you know, So.

Speaker 4 (01:07:58):
Like I think that it all of if it matters
in terms of the context of it.

Speaker 7 (01:08:02):
And I say, Mike, and I say this all the time,
that was on March for the whole offseason, Like I
need to see it. I need to see how it
looks and the thing that you just the scenario you
just uh painted. Absolutely, I would not say, well, they
proved they didn't belong, Like you can be one and
out and still not prove that you didn't belong. Or conversely,
I'm not going to say you could win it all

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and still be a fraud, because you win it all,
you win it all, but you can you know, sort
of slip by Jacksonville or something like that and maybe
losing the AFC Championship game, Yeah, and maybe not have
proved anything either, Like you need to see how it
all unfolds.

Speaker 8 (01:08:38):
How do you feel if you look at it through
the lens of last year's team, Because those last year
two Patriots teams were one of those easy schedule teams.

Speaker 3 (01:08:46):
Right, and they really were Like I think.

Speaker 8 (01:08:48):
About those teams and I'm like, man, this opponent is
really gonna have to screw it up to lose to
this team, Like you're gonna have to turn it over
a few times so, you know, I do think from
that perspective, like as a fan and someone who's covering
a team like that, that you know there is some
element of truth of there are certain teams, and I
don't think it's all of them, but there are a
handful of teams at the bottom that you know that

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it's going to take a miracle for them to win
a football game.

Speaker 4 (01:09:12):
I hear what everybody's saying, I just to win ten
in a row.

Speaker 8 (01:09:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:09:17):
Yeah, it's one thing that if they if they were
I don't know, eight and four, right, or you know,
seven and five, and they're having this nice season, but
all their wins were against the crap teams, and five
they lost to some craft teams to straight games in
the NFL, Like you don't just do that by acts.

Speaker 7 (01:09:34):
They took all the crap games and they won them
all but one. Really, yeah, you know they lost their Raiders. Yeah,
you know, so I agree with Evan. I think that
they've shown you that they're a good team. Yeah, I
mean how good I don't know because of that factor,
but they've shown me they're a good team.

Speaker 8 (01:09:49):
I mean, especially when I just I chuckle when I
think of the first thing Mike Rabel said about can
we take advantage of bad football?

Speaker 6 (01:09:56):
Like that was the initial bar he set on day one,
and I'm like, yeah, you've definitely done that.

Speaker 3 (01:10:03):
The other part, if you're not good, you can't do that.

Speaker 7 (01:10:05):
And the other part of it that tells me they're
good is it's not like even in one it was
one week after another, that's something crazy was happening.

Speaker 5 (01:10:17):
Haven't been any of those.

Speaker 7 (01:10:19):
They haven't. They generally get the lead in the game
and in the second half they're never behind, which means
you're good. You're playing against bad teams and you're making
them chase you, and they're not good enough to beat
you because you're good and you're you're dictating the way
the game is played. You're not relying on David Patton
getting knocked unconscious while out of bounce and having the
ball touch his foot like that. Those are the kinds

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of things that okay, And I'm not saying that the
one team stuck. Don't don't misunderstand it, but like it
was some events, there was some flukiness to that eleven
and five run, and it showed the next year when
they didn't make the playoffs. Yeah, but this this, I
don't think there's a lot of flukey wins in here.
There are games that could have been lost that they
won by I don't like. Maybe you want to say,

(01:11:03):
if the Miami guy, if Achan doesn't step out of bounds,
maybe that game ends differently. But do you have any
more examples of that.

Speaker 4 (01:11:10):
And there was still like, what five six minutes left
in the game.

Speaker 3 (01:11:13):
It was it was a minute left, was there?

Speaker 7 (01:11:15):
Yeah, Which now you can make the argument that May
would have gone down and scored, they could have won.
And based on what I've seen for the last thirteen weeks,
I'm I'm not gonna argue with you because May it's
been good.

Speaker 3 (01:11:26):
That was that kind of was a fluky game that
was there.

Speaker 7 (01:11:29):
You could say it was a little flukiness to that game,
But I don't think there was any real flukiness to
you know, these other wins.

Speaker 4 (01:11:36):
Yeah, I mean Gibson returning a kickoff for a touchdown
that was like for the longest time, that was the
only kickoff return touchdown in the league for like the
first like ten weeks of the season, and that was
ended up being the game winner in that game.

Speaker 5 (01:11:49):
But and in fairness, it followed a party turn touchdown
from Miami.

Speaker 4 (01:11:52):
Yeah, but I just you don't win ten games in
a row in this league by accident.

Speaker 10 (01:11:57):
It's like you can talk about luck all you want,
but it's like old saying you have to be prepared
to take advantage of the luck.

Speaker 2 (01:12:03):
That's in a sense what they're doing.

Speaker 10 (01:12:05):
Like they've gotten a lot of breaks and they've still
taken advantage of every single one.

Speaker 8 (01:12:10):
And Drake May's playing like an MVP candidate, you know,
Like that's the one thing that like, you know, if
you had a quarterback who I am consistent too, like
I think Denver is.

Speaker 7 (01:12:20):
You know, there are a win over the Raiders away
from winning ten in a row. And I don't think
they're that great either. I think they're good, just like
I think the Patriots are good, but I don't think they're.

Speaker 3 (01:12:28):
A great team.

Speaker 6 (01:12:29):
I need to dive into them a little more. I
know they've been all like comebacks too, right, Like they
have nine they've had more.

Speaker 4 (01:12:35):
I think they've trailed in like twelve games.

Speaker 7 (01:12:37):
Yea, they've had more one score games in the Patriots. Well,
in the win streak, they've had more one score games
than the Patriots, and even the one scores like the
Patriots one score games are like you win by five
or six and the Broncos have won by like one,
like literally.

Speaker 3 (01:12:53):
Like crazy comeback one Jacob and Milwaukee apologies in advance
for the grammar. This is about the Denver thing. Some
interesting info about altitude longtime listeners since twenty fourteen first
time in miles. When you guys discuss altitude and adjusting
to Denver's altitude, it takes approximately two weeks for the
body to adjust. The downside is, technically speaking, you can

(01:13:16):
never train to reach your maximum intensity for performance like
you could at sea level due to the lack of oxygen.
That being said, the theory is live high to gain
the adaptations of living at a higher altitude, and train
at sea level so you can reach your maximum training potential.
Completely impractical, but felt worth sharing. Listening to yesterday's episode

(01:13:38):
probably won't make the light of day, but appreciate the
show well. It did make the light at it.

Speaker 6 (01:13:42):
You want to get high, you start on. You start
on the top of the mountain, You go down to
the mountain, bottom of the mountain.

Speaker 3 (01:13:47):
You train. You can never reach your maximum potential because
there's not enough.

Speaker 6 (01:13:51):
Never thought of it that way. That was interesting.

Speaker 4 (01:13:54):
So interesting live high? Is it interesting or important? People
that live in interesting?

Speaker 7 (01:14:01):
Interesting?

Speaker 6 (01:14:02):
That's why you live in the Western mass right the
mountains Trent.

Speaker 7 (01:14:07):
Trent.

Speaker 3 (01:14:07):
And your time at ESPN was the best two years
of your life. Why didn't you go back?

Speaker 4 (01:14:13):
Incorrect? Wow, didn't work at ESPN. So if you're gonna
come at me, at least get your facts straight correct.
NFL Network, thank you very much.

Speaker 6 (01:14:27):
Culver City. Do you ever go to the conservatory in
Culver City for coffee?

Speaker 4 (01:14:31):
Probably it doesn't sound too for it's pretty good.

Speaker 7 (01:14:34):
You were in the coffee place in California, Andy Cavative.

Speaker 3 (01:14:42):
I don't know what that is.

Speaker 4 (01:14:43):
There is this pizza place though, you know l A
very famous for not having great pizza. But this one
guy from in Culver City, he had moved from Brooklyn
to l A. And he brought his pizza recipe with
him from New.

Speaker 3 (01:14:56):
York videos and what was it called Brooklyn Pizza?

Speaker 4 (01:15:01):
No, no, no, it was like a namely pizza. But
it was very good.

Speaker 6 (01:15:05):
Inside little Culver City in the sports filling station.

Speaker 4 (01:15:09):
Yeah yeah, yeah, inside there that was a great place.
There's also a great Greek place right down the street.
From the NFL Network studios that we'd used to go
to and get euros.

Speaker 3 (01:15:20):
Uh. That was called the Greek place, Yes it was.

Speaker 4 (01:15:23):
It was actually called like Micronos or something like that.

Speaker 6 (01:15:26):
I know, exact, very good, that good walking there all
the time.

Speaker 4 (01:15:31):
All right, Chipotle if we want.

Speaker 3 (01:15:33):
To, all right back five hundred. Uh, Chad is in
la what's up, Chad.

Speaker 6 (01:15:40):
Big Chad day?

Speaker 3 (01:15:41):
Did you know?

Speaker 7 (01:15:42):
Chad?

Speaker 6 (01:15:42):
No, not this one, big chat?

Speaker 22 (01:15:44):
Yeah, there are no good pizzas in l A.

Speaker 13 (01:15:47):
Unfortunately.

Speaker 4 (01:15:48):
Loroccos. Go to Loroccos and Culver City.

Speaker 7 (01:15:51):
That's a Brooklyn pizza place. Locos sounds skeptical.

Speaker 4 (01:15:56):
Every time four and a half stars on Google a picture.

Speaker 22 (01:16:02):
I wanted to ask about the play calling, in particular
in Cash twenty two. Evan, you mentioned that there you
think that they're kind of holding out on Drake running
the ball a little bit. Is that accurate?

Speaker 4 (01:16:16):
Yes, that's what I think. Don't know, that's what I say.

Speaker 17 (01:16:19):
Okay.

Speaker 22 (01:16:20):
So they have obviously access to Brady's entire playbook from
his career.

Speaker 3 (01:16:31):
Okay.

Speaker 22 (01:16:32):
So obviously that wouldn't necessarily be the kind of play
that they would call for Brady. So they're they're developing
obviously plays that are specific to Drake. But my question
would be is what kind of plays have you seen
Brady perform that Drake hasn't necessarily performed yet.

Speaker 3 (01:16:55):
It's nuts you think it's in his wheelhouse. Okay, that's
it's an eviand question, but I haven't answered.

Speaker 4 (01:17:00):
You can answer it. If Brady Brady plays that Drake
hasn't necessarily done yet, I wouldn't say very many. I mean, honestly,
they it's pretty similar to what they're running with Drake now.
I mean they ran they hit Stefan Diggs on the
juke route and host Duke last week for like thirteen

(01:17:23):
yards and it's pretty cool actually to like see Drake
kind of pressing the same buttons and pulling the same
levers and it looks similar.

Speaker 3 (01:17:32):
There's nothing out of a physical standpoint that Brady did
that Drake hasn't done. What Drake hasn't done that Brady
did all the time. It's the situations, and we just
haven't had seen the situations yet, so we don't know
from But there's no throw that Brady made that Drake
can't make, and Drake has more mobility, you know, It's

(01:17:55):
it's amazing like, so you want to stop there because
Brady is the greatest ever? But will he always be?
Is there a chance that someone someday? Of course right now,
but the odds of that it being so soon and
we have the guy, it's like it would truly be
lightning striking twice. But is it out of the roma possibility? No,

(01:18:19):
it's not right, but he has to get to those situations.

Speaker 22 (01:18:23):
Yeah, I think there's a good chance of it happening
to get in here because we have the history, we
have the record, we have all the data, but also
really quick that so I'm leading to one particular question,
why aren't we doing the hurry up offense more?

Speaker 3 (01:18:38):
We don't need to?

Speaker 4 (01:18:39):
Uh yeah, yeah, they so they do it a little bit,
but most of it is more what you call like
muddle huddles where like you kind of like you huddle,
but it's not like a super fast it's a super
fast huddle. It's not an extended huddle where he's you know,
it's they're saying all the verbs.

Speaker 3 (01:18:58):
Hurry up is different than like what you're talking about,
Like there's one that you're racing against the clock, Like no,
there's another one where no huddle where you're just trying
to eliminate the other team from being able to substitute
and all that. This difference.

Speaker 5 (01:19:10):
I kind of agree with you.

Speaker 7 (01:19:11):
I don't think that they've needed it because they've been
in control of almost every game in the second half. Yeah,
you know, they used it a great two minute drill
at the end of the first half this past game
Monday night, they went right down the field. I mean,
they got a big chunk play like forty yards to
reminder Stevenson, but that's you know, yeah, I would huddle,
hurry up.

Speaker 4 (01:19:31):
I'm really fascinated about that sequence you're talking about because
it kind of looked like Drake was calling the plays,
and because they were going right to the line of
scrimmage and he checked in and out of a couple
of different things. And they have this thing called the
NASCAR package where it's one word association to play calls.

(01:19:52):
So all he has to do is get to the
line of scrimmage and yell a name. Usually they're named
after like famous basketball players or cities or like something
like that. So I'll just go Jordan, Jordan, Jordan, and
then everybody knows what play they're running, just based off
that one word, and so I that was that's how
their no huddle packages always worked under McDaniels. But a

(01:20:14):
lot of that is what he's seeing at the line
of scrimmage and he's kind of running the show. And
I think that's been the most impressive part to me
about Drake is that he's already doing that in his
second season in the NFL. Like you're seeing him solve
problems with pressure and you know, check in and out
of plays and sometimes they have two plays called in

(01:20:34):
the huddle where you know it's either pass pass or
run pass or whatever. And he's checking in and out
of things based off of what you know he's seeing
from the defense. And to do that already at twenty
three years old and do it at a really high
level is not normal. Yeah, So that's been really impressive.

Speaker 8 (01:20:52):
I like to what Fred said, It just it feels
like the intangibles are the things that you know, separated
Brady and he just you know, and that's something I
don't think Drake has, like you said, had an opportunity
to and it's you know, I kept talking to Drake Killer,
you know, these are the things you're probably gonna find
out here in the playoffs of you know, team goes
down and scores and takes the lead with one forty
three left in the game, and Drake's gonna get a possession, Kenny,

(01:21:13):
you know, is it time to shine like it was Brady?
And that's I mean, how many times did Brady do
that to win championships? And that's you know, I think
that's if there's ever gonna be another great one like that.
I mean, there's no comparison physically, but when you but
when you talk about intangibles, there's no comparison either with with.

Speaker 4 (01:21:29):
What and maniacally competitive twelve months out of the year. Yeah,
you know, and I'm not saying he doesn't, But like,
is Drake in a in the off season? Is he
going to be in Montana, like working out two days
a week?

Speaker 8 (01:21:40):
Yeah, right, He's gonna wake up the day after he
wins the Super Bowl and like time to start training
again because.

Speaker 2 (01:21:46):
And lifestyle stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:21:47):
Right, Yeah, that's anything.

Speaker 3 (01:21:49):
Yeah, But in terms of physical outside of the numbers
down the scene, yeah right, there's nothing you could say short.
He's just as good as any quarterback.

Speaker 18 (01:21:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:21:58):
That's what's cool about sports. There's one guy who has
all the physical tools and the guy who maybe doesn't
quite I mean trade. He still has amazing physical RULs.
But you know, in the grand scheme of NFL quarterbacks,
he's maybe not the most mobile guy, maybe not the
biggest arm but when you put the package together.

Speaker 6 (01:22:11):
And when it's on the line, there's no one else
you'd rather have.

Speaker 3 (01:22:14):
No justin subject line nonsense from armchair gms. I'm really
glad none of these armchair gms are running the Patriots
front office. We have an excellent number one corner who
can shut down one side of the field, but people
like the caller want to trade him because getting a
receiver is more important. It's ridiculous the amount of people
online who also say to trade Gonzo because of his

(01:22:36):
previous injuries. A few people ran the Patriots front office.
You to ship out Gronk the minute his injuries became
an issue. Wow, you're here.

Speaker 4 (01:22:45):
I was going to say, Bill did try to trade Gronk?

Speaker 6 (01:22:48):
So yeah, I digress.

Speaker 3 (01:22:51):
I get it.

Speaker 8 (01:22:52):
It's everybody loves the wide receivers, you know. And I
think even if you had justin Jefferson or you still
probably won't one.

Speaker 4 (01:23:00):
I definitely think that they we all kind of I
think feel like next offseason, you hope that they add
another piece, but that just to keep it rolling, don't improve.

Speaker 3 (01:23:11):
Right, Yeah, I think they.

Speaker 6 (01:23:13):
I mean I said it yesterday. I think they got to.

Speaker 7 (01:23:15):
They have to.

Speaker 6 (01:23:15):
They have to get better this offseason.

Speaker 8 (01:23:17):
You have to come into the game into next year
feeling like you felt after they won the Super Bowl
and all three and they went and got Corey Dillon
and maybe some people that that seems overkill you just
want to But I think that's the kind of step.

Speaker 6 (01:23:27):
That they need to, you know, continue to take and
you know, maybe even.

Speaker 8 (01:23:30):
Just identifying players that we don't even realize that we
want to try to upgrade this this player. You know,
they'll have opportunity with some of the few open spots
on their roster that they're going to have to address.
But I still think they need at least one or
two splash guys that really make you think, give you
reason to believe they're going to be better.

Speaker 4 (01:23:47):
I have one for you. Give me Isaiah Likely, Yes,
because I think Mike brought him up to me like
two weeks ago. Well, Baltimore just extended Mark Andrews again yesterday.
Likely is going to be an unrestricted free agent. I
love Austin Hooper, but you know, if you get Isaiah
likely much younger player, much more dynamic tight end from Everett.

(01:24:09):
From Everett pass the torch. You know, he's not a
blocker like that's you know, he's not really He's more
of like a big slot receiver. But Drake loves throwing
to the tight ends. He loves throwing a big targets.

Speaker 3 (01:24:22):
Yeah, I would like it.

Speaker 4 (01:24:23):
That's a solid one. That could be a great move.

Speaker 3 (01:24:25):
Okay, Patty's an what's up, Patty?

Speaker 7 (01:24:28):
Patty?

Speaker 23 (01:24:30):
Hey guys, and get what's going on right?

Speaker 6 (01:24:32):
Rocking and rolling?

Speaker 3 (01:24:34):
Okay?

Speaker 16 (01:24:35):
Yeah?

Speaker 23 (01:24:35):
Man, So it's my annual phone called the Bitch about
Rodney Harrison not being in the Hall of Fame just yet?

Speaker 16 (01:24:43):
What about two guys?

Speaker 23 (01:24:44):
But I feel like if he doesn't get in this year,
he's gonna have to wait till his filly's eligible for
the Senior Committee to be voted on. And to me,
that's Paul, I'm with you, like I know you love Rodney.
Rodney is my second favorite Patriot of all time, behind
Tom and just my opinion. But the area played and
there was Ed Reed, and there was Doc and Palamalu

(01:25:08):
and Harrison frank them however you want.

Speaker 3 (01:25:11):
Okay, Well, Bill Balichick would agree with you. Thanks, Patty. Uh,
Let's go to Mark and Vermont. Mark, Mark and Vermont.

Speaker 6 (01:25:23):
Oh Hi Mark, Mark, We're going tomorrow.

Speaker 7 (01:25:25):
Sorry Mark?

Speaker 6 (01:25:26):
Yeah, man, I wass gonna have some racks, you know, donuts?

Speaker 7 (01:25:31):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:25:32):
Uh always is in Texas.

Speaker 7 (01:25:35):
What's up?

Speaker 3 (01:25:35):
Ois? Hey? What's going on? Guys?

Speaker 10 (01:25:38):
Hey?

Speaker 7 (01:25:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 24 (01:25:40):
So I've been trying to you know, I've been I've
been drawing some parallels with the Golden State Warriors when
they had Mark Jackson and then you know, they they
got you know, Steve Kerr, and then it was like
almost like a flip that was just so you know,

(01:26:00):
and Kerr, you know, his experience with the goat and
kind of how we got rapes and he's played with
our goat. You know, I feel like I have a
very good feeling that, you know, we might end up
making a deep run. And for whatever reason, if he
if he don't get the job done, who do you
think could be a Karen Durant that would want to

(01:26:23):
join our Patriots in NFL terms that will give us
like a shoe win or Super Bowl almost every every year.

Speaker 4 (01:26:30):
Follow well, Mark Jackson was the Warriors with Mark Jackson
were much better than the Patriots were pre Frable, the
Larwyors and Mark Jackson. I want to say they went
to Game seven against the Thunder with Durant and Westbrook.

Speaker 6 (01:26:43):
I don't know anything.

Speaker 4 (01:26:44):
And then they also won a title without Durant too.

Speaker 5 (01:26:49):
They won multiple times.

Speaker 4 (01:26:52):
In terms of the timeline, but with.

Speaker 5 (01:26:54):
Kerr Yeah, I don't I'm with you. I'm not sure.

Speaker 4 (01:26:58):
I can't remember, but they they Mark Jackson took the
Warriors a lot further than like Gerrodmeo took the page
and there was a lot.

Speaker 7 (01:27:06):
Yeah, And his point was that they had before, you know,
a subpart coach and then a coach that obviously got
them over the top.

Speaker 5 (01:27:13):
That is that that parallel, I think is is accurate.

Speaker 7 (01:27:16):
But the Warriors were much better, much better than the
Patriots were that pretty well inherited. There's a reason why
he turned the like is it fifty percent? I mean,
I don't know what the number is, but the roster
turnover is like way higher than the average percentage, right,
I mean, I don't know what what the numbers are,
and you might have them like off the top of

(01:27:36):
your head, But is it like thirty thirty three, thirty
five percent, you know, typical, and the Patriots had to
be like fifty yeah turnover.

Speaker 4 (01:27:45):
They're they're they were like around in the like the
forty to forty five percent when they made the roster
and at a camp. Now that it's changed a million times,
it's probably even more so. But I don't know if
you really want to count that because it's all the
in season.

Speaker 7 (01:28:00):
No, no, I'm transaction.

Speaker 5 (01:28:02):
I would be talking about what they opened the.

Speaker 7 (01:28:07):
Yeah and there, and there are still a number of guys,
you know, you obviously Drake May was here, so you
know that that would count.

Speaker 5 (01:28:14):
But we were talking about this this morning.

Speaker 7 (01:28:16):
There's there's a handful of guys that we're here that
are significant contributors, like I mean in addition to May,
but like Christian Barmo, Christian Gonzales, Martis Jones, you know Hunter,
Henry Michael Wenthu would be another one, you know, Remandre.
I mean, they have guys that have contributed. So it's
not like this is all new guys in Rabel's just

(01:28:37):
magic doing it all. But this is this is about
Drake May's ascension and the new coaches culture.

Speaker 3 (01:28:43):
We were talking about best rookie seasons for Patriots Tennis
San Diego says Robert Edwards eleven hundred yards and ninety eight.

Speaker 5 (01:28:52):
Nothing compared to it was a soft e correct, yeah, correct.

Speaker 4 (01:28:56):
Don't play beach football.

Speaker 7 (01:28:59):
Yeah, now what he what he might have been? But yeah,
I agree he that was a really good team that
he you know, it was a past first team that
he took advantage of a lot of.

Speaker 6 (01:29:08):
Did Aaron Hernandez sniff of that at all in twenty ten?
I mean he was better than Gronk. I don't know
if he was that good.

Speaker 7 (01:29:13):
I mean I always thought Gronk was better even that year.
But yeah, sure they had if they both had good
rookie years. But I would like Curtis Martin was like,
you know, really good as I think he had fourteen
There was a fourteen hundred yards?

Speaker 5 (01:29:27):
Maybe?

Speaker 7 (01:29:27):
Am I over?

Speaker 5 (01:29:28):
Am I over remembering that?

Speaker 3 (01:29:29):
That might be?

Speaker 6 (01:29:30):
I mean what about your Rob Mayo defensive Rookie of
the year.

Speaker 4 (01:29:34):
They all think that was fake? No socks included.

Speaker 5 (01:29:38):
Yeah, made a lot of tackles.

Speaker 7 (01:29:41):
Tackle machine you know me about you know me and
tackle machines.

Speaker 4 (01:29:44):
We don't like tackles around here. We don't know we like.

Speaker 6 (01:29:47):
TFLs I in ts.

Speaker 7 (01:29:49):
You have any Did he have any of those? Those?

Speaker 5 (01:29:51):
Interesting to think?

Speaker 4 (01:29:53):
Maybe I don't.

Speaker 7 (01:29:53):
I'd have to check.

Speaker 3 (01:29:56):
Let's see Stump the grump nice quick one U Kylon Pembroke.
Only four Patriots quarterbacks have had twenty five or more
passing touchdowns in a season, and make him be the fifth.
He gets two more. Brady did it fourteen times, Bled
so three, Grogan once? Who was the fourth? HEAs Nope, Sugar,

(01:30:19):
you only did it once.

Speaker 5 (01:30:21):
I don't know.

Speaker 7 (01:30:24):
I'm gonna say, just babe, to have fun, babe early,
just to have because I didn't think Castle threw for
more than twenty five that year.

Speaker 11 (01:30:33):
Babe Prilly, Yeah, it's probably closed the babe, but I
was going to most people know that as the babe,
not you know, baby Perilly, bigger deal than the other babe.

Speaker 7 (01:30:46):
Imagine if we were joining the show, then that's what
Fred would say. Yeah, what if Babe Perilli was our quarterback?
Now you'd be like, yeah, the babe, the ba twenty one,
Babe Castle twenty one.

Speaker 6 (01:30:57):
Twenty one on eleven.

Speaker 4 (01:30:58):
You're in for a little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:31:00):
Right, Eddie frisky Eddie in La. I'm gonna be honest
and say, I'm actually scared to see the Texans in
the playoffs. That defense is the best in the league,
and if the offense could be more consistent, they can
be a much better team all around. Then they've shown
they scare me more than the Broncos, Chiefs, and Colts.
I feel every other AFC team would be a cakewalk.

(01:31:22):
What do you all think.

Speaker 7 (01:31:24):
I think you're crazy if you think every team is
a cakewalker. But Daniel Hunter and I don't hate your
your Texans Broncos down.

Speaker 4 (01:31:32):
I mean, if Miles Garrett wasn't in the league, like
Will Anderson is the best defensive player in football, Like
it just happens that he's on Earth with an alien
so it doesn't really count. But like he's Will Anderson
is a scary dude. That guy's unbelieving.

Speaker 7 (01:31:45):
The Texans to me, would worry me a little more
than the Broncos. I need to see a little more.
But if if Stroud is like Stroud is so much
better than Bonnicks, if he's back and healthy and they
play the last month of the season, yeah you know
that's that.

Speaker 3 (01:32:03):
That would be.

Speaker 7 (01:32:04):
Now they played those two teams played and they played
an absolute rock fight the Broncos and the Texans that
that the Broncos ended up stealing late, I think, or
something like that.

Speaker 3 (01:32:15):
I think what's keeping fans from being totally confident about
this offense going up against anybody is the fact that
a lot of these second halfs, they haven't scored a
lot of points, and we haven't seen that game where
they've had forty five points pure offensive points, you know,
no special teams defense mixed in, and we haven't seen

(01:32:36):
that yet. But like we were talking about earlier, they
haven't really needed it yet. You know, they haven't been
in a game where they had a score that many points,
but we haven't seen that. So I think that's what's
when they go against a Cup defense, it's going to
be you know.

Speaker 7 (01:32:49):
I don't know if it's that as much as who
they've gone against. I think some people ducking, but.

Speaker 3 (01:32:56):
They've pass defenses, but they haven't.

Speaker 7 (01:32:59):
They haven't faced a lot of good defenses, and the
good defenses they do face are terrible teams.

Speaker 5 (01:33:05):
So you don't have the pressure of scoring.

Speaker 4 (01:33:07):
Yeah, that's fair, but I mean, I think to me,
at least, there's still maybe a little bit of trepidation
with the offensive line, and if they go up against
the pass rush like Houston's with these you know, monsters
on the edge. You know, is Will Campbell going to
be healthy to play in that game? Is it going
to be Vederian or right? Where is he going to
be at when he does come back? You know, I

(01:33:29):
I understand. You know, their their numbers are much better
as an offensive line than last year, but it's still average.

Speaker 3 (01:33:38):
If Houston was undefeated, I'd be more worried. But other
teams have beat them.

Speaker 7 (01:33:42):
Yeah, and largely because they started very slow. Yeah, they
did start starting the quarterback, you know. I mean in
Mills's defense, they managed to win the games that he played,
but their offense is very limited without Stroud. They want
they want on rock fights for the most part, with
the exception of that miracle comeback against Jacksonville that they

(01:34:05):
had like twenty nine points in the fourth quarter or something.

Speaker 4 (01:34:08):
I'm all right, I just wonder, like if they like you,
Drake may has got to handle pressure as well as
he has all year. Like that that's been their their
answer to a lot of it.

Speaker 3 (01:34:18):
So Hey, Darius slay Is hasn't reported to the Bills yet.

Speaker 7 (01:34:23):
He contemplating with he thinks he doesn't want to play.

Speaker 4 (01:34:26):
Yeah, he retired in the locker room at halftime.

Speaker 3 (01:34:29):
Okay, all right, it's that time of the week, Davis. Yeah,
So Paul, what happened last week?

Speaker 7 (01:34:37):
Let's see, it was Alex, Evan and Fred all ten
and six, Paul nine and seven, and Mike eight and eight.

Speaker 4 (01:34:46):
You do the Superman maybe accidentally, not accidentally with the
spread trolling Kim Newton, No.

Speaker 25 (01:34:54):
With the spread, Paul eleven four and one, wow, wow,
even ten five and one.

Speaker 4 (01:35:04):
Coming back at job By.

Speaker 5 (01:35:05):
You want to come back for Paul, Alex.

Speaker 7 (01:35:07):
And Fred eight seven and one and and Mike four.
I gotta do the eleven in one.

Speaker 6 (01:35:16):
I gotta start doing the George Costanzo at this point?

Speaker 3 (01:35:18):
Are you're doing this on purpose?

Speaker 4 (01:35:19):
Fred?

Speaker 7 (01:35:21):
So here's the most updated standings. Fred maintains his slim
one game lead over Alex one thirty one sixty two
and one. Alex one thirty sixty three and one. Mike
won twenty three seventy and one, Paul won twenty one
seventy two and one. Evan won seventeen seventy six and one.

(01:35:42):
Tight with the spread dominance continues by Fred Kursch one
oh six, eighty six and two, Paul ninety eight, ninety
four and two, Evan ninety five, ninety seven and two,
Alex ninety three, ninety nine and two, and Mike eighty one,

(01:36:05):
twelve and two eighty.

Speaker 3 (01:36:11):
That's why I don't bet thirty two for those who,
among other reasons eighty and.

Speaker 7 (01:36:16):
One twelve it is hard easily keeping what's more impressive?
One o six and eighty six for Fred or eighty
and one twelve for Mike.

Speaker 4 (01:36:26):
Get all into the spectrum here, you just fade.

Speaker 7 (01:36:29):
Dus saved me? Yeah, all right, doesn't know what that means?

Speaker 3 (01:36:34):
All right, trying to We gotta hurry. Let's get into
it starting tonight on Thursday Night, Prime Video the Dallas
Cowboys six five and one at Detroit seven and five.

Speaker 7 (01:36:50):
I'll be watching Detroit by three. I will not be
why streaming, I don't do that.

Speaker 4 (01:36:55):
Oh and then I'll come in right about the game
because I.

Speaker 7 (01:37:00):
In Evan's right, Well, I won't. I don't know about tomorrow,
will Yeah, you're right, but I watched that little clip
that they put out.

Speaker 5 (01:37:08):
It's like a ten to twelve minute clip.

Speaker 4 (01:37:10):
Yeah, you see.

Speaker 3 (01:37:13):
You have you have Amazon right Prime?

Speaker 17 (01:37:15):
Oh?

Speaker 7 (01:37:15):
I have Prime, so you have it spots.

Speaker 4 (01:37:18):
I don't like not being able to change the channel.

Speaker 6 (01:37:21):
God, I don't.

Speaker 7 (01:37:22):
I say it's hard to do.

Speaker 4 (01:37:23):
It's the channel change.

Speaker 5 (01:37:24):
I want to change the channel.

Speaker 3 (01:37:25):
You have an iPad.

Speaker 2 (01:37:26):
I don't understand your generation with the channel changing.

Speaker 3 (01:37:29):
I like to a lot of I watch.

Speaker 5 (01:37:31):
I watch a lot of Skill.

Speaker 4 (01:37:32):
He has a lot of programs, Alex.

Speaker 3 (01:37:34):
I do stories.

Speaker 7 (01:37:36):
To watch my stories.

Speaker 4 (01:37:38):
With the best stress out.

Speaker 7 (01:37:41):
I watch a lot of Islands. I watch a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:37:43):
Do you watch a lot of.

Speaker 3 (01:37:44):
Violand that's on the show. One of them should be football.
I don't.

Speaker 5 (01:37:46):
I don't watch that.

Speaker 7 (01:37:47):
You know, Love Island.

Speaker 3 (01:37:49):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:37:49):
There's some reality shows that you get to that I
have raised my eyes.

Speaker 4 (01:37:53):
I don't really watch it, Evans, I.

Speaker 5 (01:37:55):
Don't really watch any reality shows, to be honest.

Speaker 2 (01:37:57):
Football, all right, let's go the world's Greatest Stag Detroit.

Speaker 6 (01:38:01):
Three is gonna Uh's wrong? Pick is going to be Dallas.

Speaker 4 (01:38:06):
Oh well, now I'm not gonna take Dallas and I'm
taking I'm taking the plus three.

Speaker 8 (01:38:09):
I'm going with the upset allons. I think I'm gonna
ras a game time decision. I think he's important piece,
so I'm gonna I'm gonna go with Dallas in the upset.

Speaker 2 (01:38:16):
I'm gonna fade Dous and take Detroit. Both ways.

Speaker 4 (01:38:18):
Well, I was gonna take Dallas, but now that took Dallas,
I'm nervous. I do want to take a small victory
lap about the de Lions offense without Ben Johnson, Uh
definitely has not been as good. I wonder why uh so,
but uh, Dallas' defense is also not great. But I

(01:38:38):
am gonna take Dallas in this game because I think
Dak Prescott is like low key been awesome. Is that
a great season?

Speaker 11 (01:38:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:38:44):
It might be the third m VP candidate with Stafford
and Drake May if they keep winning. And he's been
really really good.

Speaker 7 (01:38:51):
So I thinking Dallas has been good. They've been on
the on the rise, and Dak Prescott has been tremendous.
That had a great start to No one really cares
all season. He has been really really good. But here's
where I take Detroit. And the reason why I take
Detroit is because just when people start talking about Dallas like.

Speaker 3 (01:39:09):
That every year, that's true, I think Detroit is a
little bit desperate. I'm gonna have them win, but I'm
gonna take the points. I think it's gonna be a
very close.

Speaker 6 (01:39:23):
Game, one or two points.

Speaker 3 (01:39:26):
Yeah, yeah, I think it's gonna be close. But I'll
take the point.

Speaker 7 (01:39:29):
That is a quasi playoff game, both teams fighting for
their lives.

Speaker 3 (01:39:33):
Sunday at one on Fox Seattle where it's they're not
in Seattle, so it's not loud in Atlanta. Seattle's nine
to three. They're going to Atlanta at four and eight.

Speaker 7 (01:39:43):
Seattle by seven seven.

Speaker 8 (01:39:47):
Still Kirk Cousins obviously, Yeah, I'm gonna take Seattle to win.

Speaker 6 (01:39:53):
But I'm gonna say the Falcons are a little feisty
at home. I'll take the seven points.

Speaker 4 (01:39:56):
Ten am bodyclock game.

Speaker 3 (01:39:58):
Yeah, they love it.

Speaker 6 (01:39:59):
They're more people as the Seahawks team.

Speaker 3 (01:40:02):
How many points seven seven?

Speaker 2 (01:40:04):
I'll take Seattle away the points.

Speaker 4 (01:40:07):
Can it take Seattle both ways? That might have been
the best defensive performance in the history of the NFL
last week against Max Bros.

Speaker 7 (01:40:18):
Was it really wasn't really talk about a guy who
didn't be no disrespect the guys an NFL player, but
talk about a guy who didn't belong in an NFL game.

Speaker 4 (01:40:26):
Well, I just mean statistically, I don't mean it was.

Speaker 7 (01:40:29):
It was ridiculous. I think one of the guys on
the I'm going to take Seattle both ways too. One
of the guys on on one of the recaps was
saying that they could still be playing in Minnesota, still
would have zero.

Speaker 3 (01:40:44):
Sunday at one Battle for the AFC North on CBS,
Pittsburgh is six and six, so is Baltimore, and it's
in Baltimore.

Speaker 5 (01:40:52):
Ravens by six.

Speaker 4 (01:40:53):
Lamar Jackson not practicing today. Oh man, he's got an ankle.

Speaker 6 (01:40:58):
Injury and me this right. It's been lingering.

Speaker 7 (01:41:01):
He's got multiple injuries and you know they didn't Yeah,
they've had a mini buy and he's still not practicing.

Speaker 6 (01:41:07):
Yeah, I'll take I'll take Baltimore to win.

Speaker 8 (01:41:08):
I'll take the points for Pittsburgh though, close division game
with quarterback banged up.

Speaker 7 (01:41:14):
Sorry, I love it.

Speaker 6 (01:41:15):
I mean everybody's.

Speaker 4 (01:41:17):
It's making me nervous.

Speaker 3 (01:41:19):
I love that.

Speaker 7 (01:41:20):
I go first to I sent the stage staff he's
eighty and one twelve.

Speaker 2 (01:41:27):
I'm going to take Baltimore.

Speaker 10 (01:41:28):
I'll lay the points to fade Mike and just I
think again, Baltimore's dead.

Speaker 6 (01:41:33):
I'm providing a service here for the crew.

Speaker 2 (01:41:35):
Yeah, but watch it go terribly for us this time.

Speaker 6 (01:41:37):
I just clean up.

Speaker 8 (01:41:39):
It is true though my record is better than Fred's.
If you reverse the numbers, what's more impressive.

Speaker 6 (01:41:45):
So you're welcome.

Speaker 4 (01:41:46):
I'm tempted to pick, like a rock fight Baltimore by
three division game, but that Steelers offense is wretched, and
Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 3 (01:41:55):
Is just he's a mess.

Speaker 4 (01:41:56):
It's physically yeah, it's physically just as banged up, if
not more than Lamar. So I'm gonna take Baltimore to
the cruise in this one.

Speaker 7 (01:42:04):
Definitely Baltimore to win. They just don't look right to
me as a team. But you guys are right about that.
That offense for Pittsburgh is hard to put any faith in.
I'll lay the points. Usually Pittsburgh and Baltimore played tighter.

Speaker 3 (01:42:20):
They do, so I'm gonna take the points. Baltimore will win,
but I think Pittsburgh's within six. We'll see Mike Tomlin.
I'm a tempted to just lay them, but I'll take
the points. Is there a hook?

Speaker 7 (01:42:34):
There there's no hook.

Speaker 3 (01:42:35):
There's no hook.

Speaker 5 (01:42:36):
I'll come because there's only six.

Speaker 3 (01:42:38):
I know, like they should never do that because then
they can push.

Speaker 6 (01:42:42):
Why do they do that?

Speaker 4 (01:42:44):
Yes, is five and the hook to encourage.

Speaker 5 (01:42:46):
I mean, it could be different on DraftKings now first
thing in the morning.

Speaker 4 (01:42:50):
But there's Lamar not practicing. News just broke so problem.

Speaker 3 (01:42:54):
That's pushing it. Sunday at one on Fox, the one
and eleven tightens at the three and nine Browns.

Speaker 5 (01:43:03):
What a great game? Oh my, Cleveland by four and
a half.

Speaker 6 (01:43:07):
And who is the Quarterback's a still Shire?

Speaker 3 (01:43:10):
Actually Sean Watson's practicing open.

Speaker 6 (01:43:14):
They open the window, the window bringing some leadership back
to that room. Windowesh, let's slip that one in. I
was gonna take Cleveland at home.

Speaker 7 (01:43:24):
I lay the points.

Speaker 6 (01:43:24):
I don't know, Okay, I.

Speaker 2 (01:43:27):
Take Cleveland to win, and then I'll hedge give Tennessee
the points.

Speaker 4 (01:43:32):
I'm going to take Cleveland both ways. I think there's
a chance Miles Garrett breaks the sack record in this game,
and I just think Cleveland's defense dominates and causes like
five turnovers.

Speaker 7 (01:43:42):
Yeah, I'm gonna do the same thing for the same reason.
I think the only reason to watch this game is
to see if Miles Gary can sack cam Ward I
don't know seven times and win get the record.

Speaker 3 (01:43:53):
Sunday at one, Oh, I didn't do my pick Cleveland
both ways. I can't believe I'm in the hot AFC South.
It's the h Indianapolis Colts at eight and four, going
to Jacksonville eight and four Sunday at one on CBS.

Speaker 7 (01:44:08):
Good game, Colts by one and a half. Good game,
Good game, Mike.

Speaker 5 (01:44:11):
You always yell at me when I don't tell you
when there's things.

Speaker 7 (01:44:14):
The Jags own the Colts.

Speaker 6 (01:44:16):
I know, I you know that's one I actually do.

Speaker 4 (01:44:18):
Remember.

Speaker 6 (01:44:18):
I'm gonna take the Jags and Trevor Lawrence. I think, uh,
I'm fading the Colts.

Speaker 2 (01:44:25):
Colts, Colts.

Speaker 4 (01:44:27):
This one's hard for me because I don't know which
team's fake. I don't know which team to believe in.
But I'm gonna take Duvall because Daniel Jones with a
broken fibula does not seem like a good formula for
the Colts to win games down the stretch.

Speaker 6 (01:44:40):
So do all three d printed Grace.

Speaker 7 (01:44:44):
I'm again in lockstep with Evan Jacksonville for the reasons
he said.

Speaker 6 (01:44:49):
I said it to Paul.

Speaker 7 (01:44:50):
I said jackson the Daniel Jones broken fibulary.

Speaker 5 (01:44:52):
That's why I'm on Jacksonville.

Speaker 3 (01:44:54):
Folks, you're looking for a lock This is it Jacksonville.
That's your lock.

Speaker 7 (01:45:00):
You're welcome.

Speaker 3 (01:45:01):
There you go.

Speaker 4 (01:45:02):
He loves Trevor Lawrence. You love Trevor. That's Trevor.

Speaker 3 (01:45:08):
Washington three and nine at Minnesota, four and eight on
Fox Sunday at one Minnesota by two and a half.

Speaker 4 (01:45:15):
JJ nine is back. Nine's back.

Speaker 5 (01:45:19):
No, I know what it means, but like, who makes
fun of that?

Speaker 4 (01:45:22):
Oh, it's his.

Speaker 8 (01:45:23):
It's his alter ego that he says, like he calls
him nine that. I mean he flips the switch kind
of like in.

Speaker 7 (01:45:28):
Over the top.

Speaker 5 (01:45:30):
That's what I'm asking.

Speaker 6 (01:45:31):
Switch the hat. It's like a machine, you knowuse I.

Speaker 7 (01:45:33):
Noticed herb Street's big on that. Yeah, he refers to
guys by their numbers.

Speaker 4 (01:45:37):
When I'm between the lines, I'm nine.

Speaker 7 (01:45:39):
I think was the he won't be surprised to learn Alex.
I don't care for it. I like just call him
by his name.

Speaker 6 (01:45:44):
I like when coaches do it.

Speaker 8 (01:45:45):
They're like, like, you're playing the Browns and we're gonna
have to be aware of number ninety five.

Speaker 6 (01:45:51):
Miles Scarett.

Speaker 7 (01:45:51):
Yeah, it was big.

Speaker 4 (01:45:53):
He was a numbers guy. He wasn't a names guy,
but he would always have the names.

Speaker 7 (01:45:56):
Yeah, for the Wednesday press conference. Oh yes, oh yeah,
oh yeah, that was the But I've had a chance
to watch film with Belichick and he's absolutely right. Every
single guy is like, you know this bleep in the slot,
you know thirty one here, like that's how we referred
to everybody.

Speaker 5 (01:46:14):
But on Wednesdays he had all the names.

Speaker 7 (01:46:16):
Uh last name two, you are correct, I'm gonna go
two and a half in Minnesota.

Speaker 8 (01:46:21):
Then I'm gonna take Minnesota at home, I'll take nine. No,
you're not rolling with nine.

Speaker 4 (01:46:26):
It's a crazy pick.

Speaker 2 (01:46:27):
I'm gonna take Washington.

Speaker 5 (01:46:28):
It's a crazy pick.

Speaker 4 (01:46:30):
I'm also taking Washington.

Speaker 7 (01:46:32):
Washington.

Speaker 4 (01:46:33):
Mariota looked a little Mariota sorry, he looked a little,
a little frisky. And that Vikings team is broken.

Speaker 7 (01:46:39):
I think, yeah, I'm gonna take Washington too, But I'm
a little worried that they sort of emptied the tank
in that game Sunday night.

Speaker 3 (01:46:47):
But what are the shots? Really? Why? Why is Minnesota
this game? What are the shots?

Speaker 5 (01:46:52):
Two bad teams?

Speaker 6 (01:46:53):
They took the home team that's only two and a
hal because usually at home.

Speaker 3 (01:46:57):
Even more like it's more like two.

Speaker 7 (01:47:00):
But they both had the same, like same similar records, right, yep, ye,
three and eight the home team.

Speaker 3 (01:47:06):
I'm going to take Washington. I like what I saw
last week.

Speaker 4 (01:47:10):
This is actually uh it's two and a half on ESPN,
and so two and a half it's a that isn't
there the home team, so they're getting two and a half.
So it's really it's assentially all right.

Speaker 3 (01:47:22):
Sunday at one on CBS Miami five and seven at
New Jersey three and nine. I'm talking about the Jets here.

Speaker 5 (01:47:30):
Miami by two and a half.

Speaker 8 (01:47:32):
The weather kind of makes this interesting because think' supposed
to be an arctic cold this weekend, and I assume
that would be the case in New York as well,
and I just love Miami and the cold. Uh So
I'm just gonna keep my crazy Deuces crazy picks this week.
Going on the bye week, I'm taking the Jets up
set at home, sit down Miami in one twelve take Miami.

Speaker 7 (01:47:53):
I didn't get it for a second. He's being me
to you today. He's your boy.

Speaker 3 (01:47:58):
I love it.

Speaker 4 (01:47:59):
It's good for the show. It's all.

Speaker 6 (01:48:05):
We'll have one on one after this Miami Me.

Speaker 4 (01:48:08):
I mean, I do agree with Deuce that, uh, the
cold is a factor here for the Miami Dolphins coming
up north. But that Jets team is just not good
enough and the Dolphins are kind of rolling. So I'm
going to take the Dolphins.

Speaker 5 (01:48:26):
I don't think.

Speaker 7 (01:48:27):
I mean, I love the struggle.

Speaker 3 (01:48:28):
Look at this.

Speaker 5 (01:48:28):
I'm just gonna take Miami.

Speaker 7 (01:48:30):
But I am not like this whole like, oh they're
back in, Like if they were again, if they were
like blowing doors off of these bad teams, or at
least looking better against these bad teams, maybe I'd believe
in it more. But I could absolutely see Mike's pick coming.

Speaker 6 (01:48:46):
Through the Jets little respect.

Speaker 7 (01:48:48):
But I'll take I'll take Miami, and all of a sudden,
there's six and seven.

Speaker 3 (01:48:52):
I can't believe I'm agreeing with Mike. I'm going with
the Jets.

Speaker 4 (01:48:55):
I start.

Speaker 6 (01:48:57):
You know, there's literally a whole song where it's like
he's lasting the picks. I mean, there's been songs written
about my performancy.

Speaker 4 (01:49:02):
So I get nervous.

Speaker 3 (01:49:05):
Negative. Sunday at one on CBS, it's the two and
ten Saints at the seven and five Buccaneers.

Speaker 7 (01:49:13):
Boy, Tampa got this season bailed up by some bad scheduling.

Speaker 5 (01:49:16):
Huh, Tampa by eight and a half.

Speaker 3 (01:49:19):
They were reeling is Mayfield playing.

Speaker 4 (01:49:21):
Yes, I mean, what's that iron man?

Speaker 3 (01:49:24):
He is an iron man.

Speaker 4 (01:49:25):
We know who Red's taken.

Speaker 3 (01:49:26):
In this game.

Speaker 6 (01:49:27):
Yeah, I'm taking Tampa. A lay the points, Tampa Tampa.

Speaker 4 (01:49:31):
So I will say Tyler Shuck has like been like
sneaky fun. Watched him a little bit yesterday, like it's
sneaky fun. But I'm gonna take the bucks.

Speaker 7 (01:49:41):
Why were you watching him yesterday?

Speaker 4 (01:49:43):
Because he's been sneaky fun, Like he just does these
things and like he's like, you know, running around like
six guys coming after him and making throws like there's
a little something there.

Speaker 5 (01:49:54):
Convinced me.

Speaker 7 (01:49:54):
I'll take the points.

Speaker 5 (01:49:55):
Chucking don Tampa and I'll take the points.

Speaker 3 (01:49:57):
I will take Bccaneers both ways they cover. So now
the crown jewel of the one o'clock slate, it's the
four and eight Bengals at the eight and four jewel.

Speaker 7 (01:50:11):
Buffalo by five and a half.

Speaker 4 (01:50:15):
Buffalo by five and a hal that's crazy, disrespectful.

Speaker 6 (01:50:19):
I'm gonna take Buffalo to win. I'm gonna take the
points for Joe Burr.

Speaker 2 (01:50:21):
I'm doing the same thing.

Speaker 4 (01:50:23):
I'm gonna do the thread.

Speaker 3 (01:50:26):
Window closing.

Speaker 4 (01:50:27):
The window is closing. I'm taking the Bengals. I think
the Bengals have been playing better than the Bills lately.
I think the Bills are starting to get a little
bit of nerves. They're getting a little hot bunch. They're
in Buffalo with their GM and head coach. I'm taking
the Bengals nice.

Speaker 7 (01:50:44):
I'll take the Bills at home both ways, they are.

Speaker 4 (01:50:47):
Much better at home.

Speaker 3 (01:50:49):
I'm with Evan, let's go Bengals, killing you.

Speaker 6 (01:50:53):
I hate them, hate him, but he loves the Patriots more.

Speaker 3 (01:50:56):
The least they can do for me is win this game.
Now we move to four oh five. Uh, it's the
Denver Broncos at ten and two at the Raiders at
two and ten.

Speaker 5 (01:51:08):
Denver by seven and a half.

Speaker 3 (01:51:09):
Ooh, it feels like a big number for Denver.

Speaker 13 (01:51:13):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:51:15):
I'm gonna.

Speaker 6 (01:51:16):
I don't want to antagonize any Broncos fans.

Speaker 8 (01:51:18):
I'm gonna take Denver and I'm gonna but I'm gonna
take the points for the Raiders because you know what,
Bronco fans, the Raiders a little more frisky than anything
or not.

Speaker 3 (01:51:27):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:51:27):
I'm tempted to do it us did, but I won't
Denver Denver.

Speaker 4 (01:51:34):
The first time these teams played. It was close, but
it was a Thursday night game.

Speaker 7 (01:51:37):
Ten seven Denver.

Speaker 4 (01:51:40):
I'm gonna take the fraud Broncos, but I am going
to take the Raiders to cover that spread.

Speaker 3 (01:51:47):
I am.

Speaker 5 (01:51:48):
I'm gonna take Denver both ways.

Speaker 7 (01:51:50):
I think you probably should. I think they remember how
close that game was. There'll be a lot of Broncos
fans in Vegas. It'll be like another home game, which
fred to you a point. They play all their games
at all, right, Right, when you look at.

Speaker 3 (01:52:01):
These Division games, when one of them is close, usually
the other one isn't ive. So Denver covers this game.
They'll lose some games, don't worry, but not this one.
Sunday four twenty five on Fox Chicago is nine and three.
They're going to Green Bay, who was eight three and one.

Speaker 7 (01:52:19):
Good ball game, green Bay by six and a half.

Speaker 3 (01:52:23):
Oh really, it's Respec's that's.

Speaker 6 (01:52:26):
Respect right, That's pretty significant.

Speaker 7 (01:52:29):
It's almost like people have actually watched the games and
realized that one team's pretty good. This has a lot
of talent.

Speaker 5 (01:52:35):
The other team's doing it.

Speaker 3 (01:52:35):
With mers turnovers.

Speaker 6 (01:52:38):
Ben Johns, Yeah, I'll take green Bay at home. I'll
lay the points.

Speaker 2 (01:52:41):
I'll take Green Bay to win. I will give Chicago
the points?

Speaker 4 (01:52:46):
Did you lay the points? I'm taking my guy. I'm
taking Ben Johnson. I believe for the du I believe
that the Chicago Bears and Ben Johnson win this game.
That's my guy. Took a shirt off after the game
last week. Everybody's talking about that, got it.

Speaker 3 (01:53:03):
I didn't care.

Speaker 4 (01:53:04):
Got everybody free hot dogs in Chicago because he's a
good guy.

Speaker 7 (01:53:07):
It was a big you know, it was a big thing.

Speaker 3 (01:53:09):
Right, I'm taking his shirt respect.

Speaker 4 (01:53:12):
I don't want to.

Speaker 2 (01:53:13):
I don't want to together you have celebration. Why do
they all take their shirts for years?

Speaker 5 (01:53:22):
So Chubby Paul has never same part, same Chubby.

Speaker 6 (01:53:25):
I'd follow my pool with the shirt on by Actually.

Speaker 3 (01:53:27):
Not anymore, Oh no, I never.

Speaker 7 (01:53:29):
I've never gone swimming with a shirt on. I know,
but Chubby Paul does not just randomly take a Choy Paul.

Speaker 3 (01:53:35):
You have to run around in the shower to get wet.

Speaker 5 (01:53:39):
Do you know the details of what?

Speaker 24 (01:53:40):
Like?

Speaker 5 (01:53:40):
Wasn't it some kind of agreement?

Speaker 4 (01:53:42):
So the uh, this very famous hot dog place in
Chicago said that if Ben Johnson took his shirt off
in the postgame celebration that they would give free hot
dogs for the entire day. To everybody, it was a gimmick.

Speaker 7 (01:53:58):
It was it was it was some kind of a
It was so good for him because I like, as
you know, I'm generally on your side.

Speaker 5 (01:54:06):
I'm not a big fan of this wasn't.

Speaker 3 (01:54:09):
Just because I wanted to get it. For other people,
that's fine, and.

Speaker 4 (01:54:12):
I feel like that's not getting talked about enough that
that was the context of it. So now everybody just
thinks that he was being a hard oh and just
took his shirt off.

Speaker 6 (01:54:21):
I like that.

Speaker 7 (01:54:22):
Yeah, I wasn't running the stairs before the game.

Speaker 4 (01:54:25):
Robert fair trade exactly, and Dubbs because he's Ben Johnson's
a good coach.

Speaker 6 (01:54:29):
That wasn't the answer you were looking for. Why do
guys take it because of hot dogs?

Speaker 7 (01:54:33):
Hot dogs?

Speaker 4 (01:54:33):
I don't understand that.

Speaker 3 (01:54:34):
I get it. I hope that right to make the newsletter.

Speaker 7 (01:54:39):
I hope Evan's right. I'm leaving for Chicago this game.
I don't like green Bay very much, and I do
like what Ben Johnson is doing. I don't think that
the Bears are on the Packers level. I'll take green
Bay both well.

Speaker 3 (01:54:52):
Not only are they on the Packers level, they're going
to be in the Super Bowl against the Patriots. So
the Bears are going to win.

Speaker 7 (01:54:56):
Be a continuation.

Speaker 6 (01:54:58):
Bears are going to win.

Speaker 3 (01:55:00):
Sunday at four to twenty five on Fox, It's the
Rams at nine and three at the Cardinals three and.

Speaker 5 (01:55:06):
Nine, Rams by seven and a half Paul's Rams.

Speaker 6 (01:55:11):
Yeah, that's a good number.

Speaker 5 (01:55:12):
Rams late at Egg last week.

Speaker 25 (01:55:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:55:14):
I don't care for Jacoby Brissette's chances in this game.
I'm gonna take the Rams.

Speaker 4 (01:55:19):
I have been impressed with Jacoby Brissett, complete and past.
I have been impressed with him. But I like the
Rams to bounce back, So.

Speaker 5 (01:55:29):
I think the Rams will absolutely win the game.

Speaker 7 (01:55:31):
I will take the hook, and I agree with Evan
the Cardinals somehow will find a way to be more
competitive than.

Speaker 5 (01:55:38):
A team with no wins. Should be angry Browns, So
I'll take I'll take the hook.

Speaker 3 (01:55:42):
I'm gonna go with the Rams both ways.

Speaker 6 (01:55:45):
We have a lot of different I know it's gonna interesting.
I turn it around.

Speaker 3 (01:55:49):
Yeah, it could be, could be well great coming back
Sunday night twenty in the Peacock. Uh, it's Houston seven
and five at the Chiefs six and six.

Speaker 7 (01:56:02):
Now, the desperation game for both sides. Kansas City by
three and a half.

Speaker 6 (01:56:08):
Sugar A push, shoot, I don't know what to go
with this one, guys.

Speaker 3 (01:56:12):
Push.

Speaker 6 (01:56:13):
I'm rooting for Houston, Kinna, but I'm going to ta
Kansas City at home. That's my default mode. Just three
three and a half and half.

Speaker 3 (01:56:19):
Ago and a half.

Speaker 2 (01:56:21):
I'll take Kansas City, but I'll take a close game
Houston cover.

Speaker 4 (01:56:26):
NBC and Fubo are in a dispute.

Speaker 6 (01:56:28):
You're telling me about it right after I signed up
for We.

Speaker 4 (01:56:31):
Don't get NBC on Fubo, so we're actually having to
watch Sunday Night football on Peacock lately, which has been
very annoying. But I am going to take Kansas City
at home at Arrowhead because Houston playing outside, I don't
trust them. I don't trust them to play in that environment.

Speaker 6 (01:56:47):
With some licks on my HOMESTID take Kansas City.

Speaker 7 (01:56:51):
I'm going to take Kansas City to win the game,
but like Alex, I will take the hook and have
the Texans lose by a field goal.

Speaker 3 (01:56:57):
Yeah, I'm with you. If this was Houston, i'd be
picking Houston. But I'm worried about Houston's offense in Kansas City. Uh,
so I will take the points. Kansas City wins, but
they do not cover Hi Funk. Monday night at eight
point fifteen on ESPN, it's the eight and four Spiraling

(01:57:18):
Eagles against the Chargers, who are also eight and four.

Speaker 8 (01:57:22):
Philly by three Philly, Philly. It's another interesting one. Would
this be on the Rooting interest Guide? Would this be
a do you have any take?

Speaker 6 (01:57:29):
Do we care?

Speaker 4 (01:57:30):
I mean, is this kind of thing.

Speaker 7 (01:57:33):
You want to be?

Speaker 5 (01:57:33):
Warped mindedn't it?

Speaker 7 (01:57:34):
You'd root for the Chargers because I don't think they're
all that good, and you'd want them to make the playoffs.

Speaker 4 (01:57:38):
Yeah, No, this one doesn't matter.

Speaker 7 (01:57:39):
Paul's made for this.

Speaker 3 (01:57:41):
That's that's I.

Speaker 7 (01:57:41):
Would think evident. Well, you're not allowed to do that,
though I used to do it for this for this
very reason.

Speaker 5 (01:57:48):
You get the smoke if you do it. So I'm
not doing it anymore.

Speaker 6 (01:57:52):
I'm gonna take Philly.

Speaker 2 (01:57:53):
I'll lay the points, same Philly, Philly.

Speaker 4 (01:57:58):
I'm tempted to take the Chargers, but Justin Herbert has
like a broken hand, correct, and he's gonna play with it.

Speaker 5 (01:58:04):
I think he had surgery Monday.

Speaker 4 (01:58:06):
Yeah, he has a broken left hand, so it's not
his throwing hand, but he can't hand the ball off
with his left hand. The same thing with Rogers, right,
so they're all gonna all the snaps are gonna have
to right, Yeah, it.

Speaker 6 (01:58:19):
Can't.

Speaker 4 (01:58:20):
Sorry short Philly.

Speaker 7 (01:58:22):
Yeah, I think this is a good matchup for Philly
with their front against the six and seven string tackles
that the Chargers have been thrown out there Philly both ways.

Speaker 3 (01:58:31):
Yeah, as much as Philly is spiraling, this is au
they'll get this game because the Charges are also all right. Well,
that's it for this week. We didn't skip over anything
because of course the Patriots aren't playing there on the by,
so hopefully everyone's getting rested up, including us. We'll be

(01:58:53):
back next week. Paul, do you do a pregame show anyway?
Just to go out and just do a pregame show.

Speaker 5 (01:58:58):
This here Saturday though, Well, you guys are enjoying.

Speaker 2 (01:59:04):
What you act like, you're not gonna enjoy that.

Speaker 7 (01:59:07):
No, he doesn't have to act Okay, all right, so
we're gonna be a lot of enjoyable.

Speaker 3 (01:59:14):
So, Matt, the next time we'll see you is next week,
So we'll see you next Tuesday.

Speaker 2 (01:59:21):
Hey, this is Alex. Thanks for tuning into the show.

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Speaker 7 (01:59:36):
Thanks a lot,