Patriots Unfiltered 12/9: NFL Week 14 Recap, AFC/Playoff Picture, Bills Preview

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Speaker 1 (00:15):
Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. Seattle and Denver, the two loudest places.

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I would say that that's incorrect.

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How are we judging this?

Speaker 3 (00:25):
But who's doing the world records?

Speaker 1 (00:28):
Okay, it's the bye, nice guys, get the weekend off.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
Here we go.

Speaker 1 (00:35):
Do you want to know we're going to have Willie
McGuinness is going to be by on Saturday.

Speaker 2 (00:40):
I'll be honest. I always thought that he could have been.

Speaker 1 (00:42):
Better before we get started. I just want to let
you know my boss, Chubby Paul does not just randomly
take his shot.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
Paul, you have to run around in the shower to get.

Speaker 3 (00:51):
What Ben Johnson took his shirt off in the postgame
celebration that they would give free hot dogs for the
entire day to everybody.

Speaker 2 (01:00):
Nips dog, Robert fairtrade exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:03):
I'm again lockstep with Evan for the reasons said I said.
This is Patriots Unfiltered.

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Speaker 2 (01:17):
All Right, welcome the Patriots Unfiltered. It is Tuesday here
at Jillette Stadium and we're coming off the bye, so
it's kind of a different show. We've got Evan, Paul, myself, Deuce, Alex,
and Matt in the booth, so we'll talk about, you know,
how we spent our by weekend and what games we
watched and reactions from from those games, and possible competitors

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for the Patriots down the stretch in the playoffs. We
got the Bills coming up on Sunday, a hat and
T shirt game. If the Patriots win, they clinch the AFSE,
so it's a huge game. Bills are desperate, They're still
trying to keep their hopes alive. So it's like the
old days, you know, like when the Colts and Peyton
Manning would come. You know this this means something regular season,

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two great quarterbacks.

Speaker 4 (02:08):
Championship on the line.

Speaker 5 (02:10):
Someday, someday the whole seat, but you'll only need the edge.

Speaker 4 (02:14):
I mean, this is what it's all about.

Speaker 5 (02:16):
I mean everyone's like, wohld you ever thought that they
would win eleven games?

Speaker 4 (02:20):
Like screw the record?

Speaker 5 (02:21):
Would you have thought that they'd be playing the Bills
for the a FC East here in December.

Speaker 2 (02:25):
I mean, it's just first week in December. We have
a chance to clinch the AFC. East's why you.

Speaker 4 (02:30):
Lift all them weights. This is it, this is what
it's all about.

Speaker 3 (02:33):
Mike is just fired up, fired up.

Speaker 5 (02:35):
I'm excited.

Speaker 2 (02:36):
I'm nervous. There's some nervous energy. I want to talk
about that because and I understand that I'm anxious to
But are you fearful?

Speaker 6 (02:46):
I don't.

Speaker 4 (02:46):
I don't fear no man, No, I don't fear any pity.

Speaker 5 (02:49):
No, I don't fear anybody. But you're eleven and two.
We were asked last night.

Speaker 2 (02:52):
A lot of people the bills. I mean, I know,
I'm not saying they can't lose, but like, no, of
course not.

Speaker 1 (02:58):
But you don't really have a lot to lose. Like
you're in total control right now.

Speaker 4 (03:02):
H Like you are right now. But I use slippery slope.

Speaker 1 (03:06):
But you have to lose to the Jets of the Dolphins.
I'm sorry, that's a choke.

Speaker 3 (03:10):
If you lose to I know, but then the pressure
is on.

Speaker 2 (03:12):
But I'm talking about just momentum and confidence in terms
of confidence. If the Patriots lose this game, I sense
a lot of Patriots fans are going to lose confidence.

Speaker 1 (03:23):
Do you sense the team would know?

Speaker 6 (03:25):
Then?

Speaker 1 (03:25):
What do you care?

Speaker 2 (03:25):
I'm talking about fans because finger that's who our audience is.
Mike Rabel isn't watching right now, Drake may is, and
what I'm talking to our.

Speaker 3 (03:33):
Fans, it's totally fair worry about a little nervous about
it because we didn't expect them to be here. So
like it's like, I think all of us are kind
of waiting for the other shoot to drop a little bit.
At least a piece of us is thinking maybe this
is just a little too much ahead of schedule, and
like beating Josh Allen, who's playing other worldly football right now,

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twice to win the division. It's I'm not saying they're
gonna lose. I'm just saying I understand I know not.

Speaker 2 (04:00):
But here's my suggestion to Patriots fans, though, Okay, don't
go into this game dreading it. Go into this game
with joy. Go into this game with confidence, like, yeah,
we could lose. Of course we could lose to the
Jets and Dolphins like that could happen. But go into
this game thinking we're eleven and two, we're good, you know,

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and we beat them the first time.

Speaker 1 (04:25):
I don't know who you're trying to psych out or
why oh no, I.

Speaker 2 (04:29):
Just I just all these people.

Speaker 1 (04:32):
I don't feel like any Patriots fan. I normally, as
you guys know, I'm pretty critical of Patriots fans at times.
I don't sense any of the stuff that Fred's talking
I do. I don't sense apprehension at all.

Speaker 2 (04:42):
If we lose this game, then we're going to lose
the momentum, and.

Speaker 1 (04:46):
You know.

Speaker 4 (04:48):
That would be next week if they were to lose
the game. But I mean, I I'm just excited.

Speaker 5 (04:53):
I mean, and it's not fear, it's you know, just
a little nervous anticipation for the game.

Speaker 2 (04:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (04:57):
You know, Drake May has won me over with just
how he plays and knowing that he's going to have
a chance. But to Evan's point, Josh Allen's playing really
well right now, and you feel like he knows this
is his time to take over. This is when the
real M v P step up and you know, get
their team into the playoffs, streaking into the playoffs. And

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we were asked last night at the season ticket holder
event that we spoke at, you know what team scares.

Speaker 4 (05:22):
You the most?

Speaker 5 (05:23):
I mean, I said Buffalo, I think and of all
the a f C field, that's the best qu the
best quarterback.

Speaker 2 (05:29):
Who scares you? But this is what's on their mind?

Speaker 5 (05:32):
Well, I mean, am I choosing the wrong word of
scares like? I think is the best team that they was?
Most likely?

Speaker 1 (05:41):
The biggest challenge is the question when someone asked you
which team scares you the most, it's who would you
least like to see? Not because you don't think you
can beat up.

Speaker 4 (05:50):
I didn't mean to say, you know, we know it's
jumping down my throat.

Speaker 1 (05:57):
It's the boss man who is trying to get the
The fans like all.

Speaker 4 (06:01):
In a confident and you know they are.

Speaker 1 (06:04):
This fan base does not lack for confidence ever. Do
you want to know when you should dread a game.
You don't dread games when you're eleven and two.

Speaker 4 (06:13):
You don't want.

Speaker 1 (06:14):
You dread games when you're four and eleven and you're
coming out of the by and you can't wait for
the stupid season to be.

Speaker 4 (06:20):
Over and you might win and game.

Speaker 1 (06:25):
No Patriots fans are dreading this game.

Speaker 2 (06:27):
I don't know about that.

Speaker 1 (06:28):
I listen again. I am often I have fun with
the verbal back and forth. With my Patriots fans out there, right,
we have some fun with.

Speaker 4 (06:37):
My people, my people, I do.

Speaker 1 (06:39):
I think more of you than to think that you're
dreading this game, any of you. Not not, No significant
percentage of Patriots fans are dreading a home game to
win the division. I just can't imagine now, is there's
some people that think there's going to be a tough game.
Of course, I think it's going to be a tough
of course, people think it's going to be a tough game.

Speaker 3 (06:58):
That's at the end of the year.

Speaker 1 (06:59):
What they say, nothing worth accomplishing, you know, isn't worth
working for, you know, like all those cliches. Yeah, I
screwed that up.

Speaker 2 (07:06):
But even even during the Brady years, it was not
always easy to beat the same team twice in your division,
even in those days, you know, right, well what not
all the time? You know?

Speaker 5 (07:17):
So, but it's the thing, and we have talked about it,
if you very well might play this Bills team a
third time.

Speaker 4 (07:23):
So you know, I just look at it.

Speaker 5 (07:25):
What makes me anticipate anticipatory And I'm trying to think
I'm not nervous. Uh, it's just the opportunity is there
for you this weekend, don't miss the opportunity, don't get
into Now we're in a race and we got it,
you know, and the pressure builds, and just take advantage
of a home game at home.

Speaker 1 (07:40):
That would be against Buffalo, that would be in panic
if they don't know. I just feel like you can't
win every single game. They've won ten in a row.
Like if they lose, then you just got to bounce
back and win the next one.

Speaker 5 (07:59):
Yeah, but I'm that sounds great, Paul, but you know
very well, they lose this game, there're gonna be some
spiraling Patriot fans that we weren't even that good and
now they were.

Speaker 1 (08:06):
They won't be Patriots fans. They might be people around
the country doing that, yeah, but Patriots fans aren't going
to be done it. Patriots fans will be on Twitter
yelling at those people.

Speaker 2 (08:16):
So, dude, you brought up how well Josh Allen is playing,
and there's no doubt about that. So I want to
talk about the game against the Bengals and what we saw.
Neither team could stop the other team, and the only
time the Bill stopped the Bengals towards the end is
when they had those you know, Burrow like, I don't
know what he was thinking. He just got too relaxed

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or something. So you do the first one, okay, and
then you do it the second one, second one, like
second one, but he's still like, you got to look
for your legs. You can't just like you know, you
have to be aware of where the pressures coming from.

Speaker 1 (08:52):
Housses get batted down the line all the time.

Speaker 2 (08:54):
Two consecutive drives and two interceptions. That was weird.

Speaker 1 (08:57):
I thought they were going there.

Speaker 3 (09:00):
I thought the pick six was just like he like
ducked it like I did.

Speaker 1 (09:03):
Think something happened in his hand.

Speaker 3 (09:05):
Yeah, I didn't get that was all that was all on.

Speaker 1 (09:08):
Yeah, I was all borrow.

Speaker 3 (09:10):
I don't think that. That was my point being. That
wasn't like I don't know that was kind of like
a fluky interception. If he asked me, that wasn't like
something he wasn't seeing or like wasn't ready for it.
I would agree he saw the blitz coming. He tried
to loft it over the guy's head.

Speaker 1 (09:24):
I don't think he had the rip on the ball
and it went through it. It kind of was a
shot put, yeah, and it didn't he didn't throw.

Speaker 3 (09:29):
It enough throw bad play, so bad football.

Speaker 2 (09:33):
I mean to get one of those, you know, had
that not happened, could very well have won that.

Speaker 4 (09:37):
Game, you know, that first one. I mean they're basically
driving to maybe put the game away.

Speaker 1 (09:42):
If you score a touchdown, no one, no one, no
one could starve. As you said, Fred, no one could
stop the other. It was only turnovers that were were
preventing points. And you know, unfortunately for the the Bengals,
they they committed the last turnovers.

Speaker 2 (09:57):
Yeah, and you know, Burrow in the pregame interview says something,
you know, we all know that. But in conditions like that,
the offense does have an advantage because they know where
they're going. The defense has to react.

Speaker 3 (10:08):
I am so surprised by how many people get that
wrong and how many people or like think it's good
you have to run the ball, and no, like you can't.
There's no traction. So in the defense is trying to
like mirror what the offense is doing like that. Somebody
has an advantage here. And it's like the passing games

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had no problem throwing the football up like up and down.

Speaker 1 (10:32):
The field always always keeps track of the winds.

Speaker 2 (10:34):
Yeah, will right wind is more of a factor.

Speaker 1 (10:37):
Every time you prevent you from throwing it. Now, your
advantages that Evan's talking about are mitigated because you can't
throw the ball where you want to. But as long
as you're able to throw it with a reasonable amount
of accuracy, what Evan just said exactly what happened. Like
how many times did you see like guys cutting across
the middle and they're like chopping their steps so they

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don't lose their foot is wide open?

Speaker 5 (11:01):
You know, yeah, I mean I don't know if that
had anything to do with played Josh Allen touchdown down.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
I mean, he just he it was evident.

Speaker 1 (11:08):
You think you think he only he only reached for
his head five times during the course.

Speaker 3 (11:12):
At the game, like he was clearly seeing make sure
we changed and he's.

Speaker 5 (11:16):
Like the one in the middle, and then he came
back and caught the touchdown, right, I mean, I know,
you know, because it's muscle memory.

Speaker 3 (11:23):
Like six passes. It was like this guy's triple right now.

Speaker 5 (11:26):
There was another one too where Chase just like I
think it was the third down that he caught a
few yards short of the sticks and you're like, oh,
and he just broke the tack.

Speaker 4 (11:32):
I mean those two guys are so good.

Speaker 5 (11:34):
But I was going to point out that the two plays,
the Josh Allen long touchdown run where and and then
the third down where he sealed the game, Like, you know,
those are the plays that concerned me this weekend, Like
the Patriots have to have a plan for those.

Speaker 1 (11:46):
Josh, he took off the third and fifteen, you know,
and I like, it's at the end of the game,
and I'm looking, I'm like, oh, third and fifteen.

Speaker 2 (11:53):
That's it.

Speaker 1 (11:54):
He got the first right, that's too far.

Speaker 4 (12:01):
Yeah, I know, and then the touchdown, nobody even touched him.
I mean, he was just gone. Those are you know.

Speaker 5 (12:07):
I do think Buffalo has some holes on defense and
you know, being able to push the ball down the field.

Speaker 1 (12:13):
Did you guys do any research any of those guys
coming back?

Speaker 7 (12:16):
I have.

Speaker 3 (12:16):
They're they're all they're talking about it. Boso, Yeah, they're
they're they're all. They're all on the fence like they're
they're thinking, they're trending in a positive direction. And there's
like five of them, Palmer Bosa, Spencer Brown, they're starting
right tackle. I think to El Bernard, uh, those guys

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are gonna all be fifty to fifty and like my
guess is like two of them will play in two
of them won't, or you know something like that.

Speaker 2 (12:42):
So keep an eye on the weather. Yeah, because right now. Yeah,
so we're talking mid to low thirties precipitation, wintery mix
and it's gonna be right about noon into the game.
So don't know, you know, like earlier this, you know
the week it was going to miss the game. Now
it's moved up to the game, so we'll see.

Speaker 3 (13:04):
You just love that when game is going to be
decided by a monsoon.

Speaker 2 (13:09):
Paul doesn't like that.

Speaker 1 (13:10):
I hate it.

Speaker 3 (13:11):
That's terribly Yeah, me too.

Speaker 1 (13:12):
But wasn't that too serious? Are you making fun of me?

Speaker 3 (13:14):
No, I'm I'm in agreement with you. If that's what
your take is. Yeah, you don't want the divisions on
the line and you're gonna like be in a monsoon
and we worry about like.

Speaker 2 (13:25):
The more fundamentally sound team will win.

Speaker 5 (13:27):
Yeah, I mean no, probably. I just think it's going
to be what quarterback makes the last play. That's what
I think that It's gonna be that kind of game.
Which guy steps.

Speaker 2 (13:36):
Up or which quarter make makes the worst play?

Speaker 4 (13:38):
Sure, yeah, sure, but hopefully not that, but it is.
I mean, I do think it's it's worth mentioning that.

Speaker 5 (13:44):
You know, Drake has and he has a need to,
but he's had one game winning drive this year against Buffalo,
so you haven't really seen him in a tight fourth
quarter game, championship on the line, Like this is a
really really big game for him in his development. And yeah,
you know, you just wonder coming out of the buy
everyone's trumpeting, you know, Mike Rabeles seven and oh, I'm
like six. I don't buy any of that, Like that

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doesn't matter at all. This is tight against certain teams.

Speaker 2 (14:07):
I think it matters just a little bit and does
and here's why. Preparation. It shows that he has his
team in the right mindset coming out of a break.
So you know, like it was two and oh, okay,
what's six? And oh, I mean that's a pattern. I
agree with you.

Speaker 1 (14:23):
Yeah, I think it.

Speaker 2 (14:24):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (14:24):
I don't think it's a you know, it's not a
big deal. I wouldn't say like Buffalo has no chance
Mike rabel six and coming out of the bye. But
I do think it speaks to exactly what Fred said,
his ability to get his team ready and understanding the
different situations that his team needs, and he's had his
team ready to go.

Speaker 3 (14:41):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (14:41):
You know, I think if you look at you know,
I don't have all of the you know, zero and six.

Speaker 4 (14:45):
And said that doesn't mean right. So it was Ryan
Tannehill is.

Speaker 1 (14:50):
No, but we'll show you that we can be a
little consistent. I think there was about a month ago
the Patriots went down to Tampa with Tampa coming off
the buy and and they're.

Speaker 3 (15:00):
Doddy Bowles's name, Todd Bowles is.

Speaker 1 (15:03):
A terrible record coming off the bye, and they lost,
and we said that that was significant, and it turned
out that it was they weren't ready, really ready to play,
you know, for the beginning of that game. I think
if you look at some of the better coaches, most
of them are pretty good coming out of the Andy Reid.

Speaker 3 (15:21):
I'm just going to bring up Andy Reid. Yeah, it's
like thirteen fourteen to know, to start his coaching.

Speaker 5 (15:26):
I remember Bill getting that same love, and then all
of a sudden he stopped winning after the bye, Like
remember the Seattle game.

Speaker 1 (15:32):
It's almost like he was a really good coach for
a long time and then wasn't.

Speaker 4 (15:38):
When did that start?

Speaker 5 (15:38):
I think there was a streak of like the Seattle game,
the Carolina game, the fans.

Speaker 1 (15:43):
Will hate ball Bill snarky.

Speaker 3 (15:47):
Taylor.

Speaker 2 (15:47):
And I'm not bringing this up to bash Bill, trust me.
But in your one of your shows this morning, they
were talking about the sort of feeling of fas now
compared to when they were winning, you know, in the
yachts and everything like that in Courtney, and I kind
of agreed with her. One of the rare times she

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said that she feels she felt and she was young then,
so I don't know, like how relevant, but she feels
there's more joy now than there was then and in thets, yeah,
and no chance. Okay, so hear me out, don't interrupt,
just I just let me finish. And and you know,
and everybody's like jumped down her throat, you know, people

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like that were older. Oh no, you're kidding me. Oh seven,
we couldn't beat.

Speaker 1 (16:32):
Blah blah blah blah. I was thinking, oh one.

Speaker 2 (16:34):
But but but as they were talking about when we
were winning, like oh seven, oh you know all that four.

Speaker 1 (16:40):
Yeah, unmatched.

Speaker 2 (16:41):
But but I kind of agree with her point in this,
like now it's like kind of almost innocent joy once
we started winning back then there was more. It was
more defiance blah and you know, fighting with people and
and all this stuff.

Speaker 1 (16:59):
And fourteen sixteen, seventeen eight, like that's well, I would
agree with Courtney one hundred percent.

Speaker 2 (17:05):
But even earlier because and this is where I bring
Belichick in at least, that we were programmed, don't don't
get too high, don't celebrate, you know, don't get caught celebrating,
don't get don't write stuff that's too over the head,
over the top, you know. And that was part of
the coach. The coach kind of set the culture that way,
where it's it's always the next game.

Speaker 1 (17:28):
I know, the larger point, you know what I mean.
I just think it's I would script. I would squabble
with the era. I think the one to three was
just unbridled excitement and joy. And when they won the
Super Bowl in one it was like, I can't f
and believe that my team just won the Super Bowl.
That was the mindset for everybody. Now, if you want

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to say fourteen sixteen, you know, it's like kind of
the expectations, the entitlement, and didn't really enjoy it as
much as you should have. I would agree with you.

Speaker 3 (17:57):
I think it was more about the expectations, like the
pressure on them in the back half of the dynasty.
There's one game of the year that mattered, and it
was the Super Bowl, Like you either wanted or you lost.

Speaker 1 (18:07):
I think that started at seven and Mike is right,
it came off of the heels of spine.

Speaker 3 (18:12):
But I just think that there was a it was
almost a relief. Winning was a relief relief Yeah, yeah,
because I agree with you versus winning being excited. I had,
oh one was different.

Speaker 2 (18:22):
So that way, I kind of agree with her, Like
it's a little it's different now, at least right now
because it's all, you know, new again.

Speaker 4 (18:31):
They haven't lost, Like what are you gonna say bad?

Speaker 2 (18:33):
We're having unexpected success right now, and it's more innocent
and and so they were jumping down a throat. But
I was kind of siding with her a little.

Speaker 5 (18:42):
I mean, I would definitely side with her when it
came to like seventeen eighteen. I mean, all the stuff
that we saw in the documentary and that more relates,
I think to the team and just the yeah, like
the expectation.

Speaker 1 (18:51):
Like the first the first part of the Dinosty, I
would jump down the throw too. Oh no, no, this
is not anywhere near as like that.

Speaker 5 (18:57):
Again, I stomped the field, in the field, the stands
in San Diego and six, and you will not find
a happier bunch of Patriot fans.

Speaker 4 (19:05):
I mean that was there was nothing, And then.

Speaker 5 (19:07):
The spygates started to get right, pushed everybody into a
corner and it became defend the wall and they all
hate us, and and it wasn't just Spygate, it was
also what happens to every team when you win a lot,
is yeah, general sentiment is sick of it, and they
don't want to see you win anymore. They want to
see someone else now come to the top. And so
I think that all kind of converged in O seven,
when it's like, all right, this has been going on
for about five years.

Speaker 2 (19:27):
Now we're over them.

Speaker 5 (19:29):
Plus they're doing this, and now they're and now they're
on an f you mission to everything, running the score up,
and you know, when things just snowball there to the
point where by.

Speaker 4 (19:37):
The time you got to eighteen nineteen, and I think
I said it.

Speaker 5 (19:39):
A few weeks ago, there was a lot of baggage
hanging over it. And yes, it was still Tom Brady
and we loved him and Bill Belichick and you know
all that he's a genius. But there's something just new
about this that and you know, unfortunately, because they haven't
lost in September, there isn't a lot of bad vibes.
Everybody's just this is amazing, and well Drake May is
the next thing.

Speaker 2 (19:57):
And you know that's why to why Belichick part of this.
We'll see if you know, this team ends up winning
a super Bowl, whether it's this year or next year
or whatever, how they treat that, because even in one
in three and oh four, Paul, it was like, okay,
we're on to next year. You know, there wasn't a

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lot of extended.

Speaker 1 (20:19):
But I think the excitement was.

Speaker 2 (20:21):
Now I'm not talking about the fans. Well that's what
we're talking about, I know, but that's right now. I'm
not talking about fans. I'm talking about how Bill wanted
it yeat and how Brady was.

Speaker 5 (20:29):
I mean, Brady was that way too after winning the
Super Bowl and saying on the plane ride back like
you know, the one's ever won four?

Speaker 4 (20:35):
You know, like, yeah, that that's how they were. Will
they be that team again?

Speaker 1 (20:38):
I mean I just looked to me the embodiment of
that whole mentality was Brady putting his hands on his
head with this I can't believe it one.

Speaker 2 (20:48):
Yeah, sure, everybody was the same way, like did this
just happen?

Speaker 8 (20:53):
Right?

Speaker 5 (20:53):
And that's why that one will always be special. I
love forty nine just because to Evan's point, you had
the expectations you already were at this point in it,
and for that game specifically, you had to go through
the ringer again of being like, here we go again,
it's going to be another weird ass play that they
lose on and they just can't get back over the
humps since O four.

Speaker 4 (21:11):
You know, that's why four team was so special.

Speaker 9 (21:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (21:13):
I remember two thousand and one. I was very way
too young to be walking the streets of Bourbon Street
after the Patriots won the Super Bowl. But I just
remember my like the people that we were with, my
uncles and stuff, just screaming we shocked the world. We
shocked the world, like all over and over again, and
like that was that team was similar to this team.

(21:34):
I honestly feel that way, like in terms.

Speaker 1 (21:37):
Of just I think there are.

Speaker 3 (21:40):
Question you know, because that team didn't lose after losing
to the Rams, right, that team won what ten in
a row, probably to win the Super Bowl. So I
think there are some similarities there. And you know, second
year Brady, second year Drake May, you know, like was
running it all down last Yeah. Yeah, So I think
that's the feeling is pretty between a lot.

Speaker 2 (22:01):
Mike and Flores says. I never agree with Paul, but
I don't think fans are worried about this game. We
could win and we could lose, but we're confident. It's
house money, and unless you're under the age of fifteen,
I'm not sure there could be as much excitement as
having never been there before. I think we'll win Sunday.
But the twenty twenty five Patriots can win the Super
Bowl even if we don't. Sure.

Speaker 4 (22:22):
Yeah, no, that's I mean, that's true.

Speaker 5 (22:23):
It won't be the end of the world if they
if they lose this Buffalo game. But like I said,
now we're going to start to see a new some
new adversity for the Mike Vrabel and Drake May Patriots.

Speaker 4 (22:32):
And how do they respond to all?

Speaker 5 (22:34):
Right, now you're gonna have to go on the road
and the national audience again night game against Baltimore you
know it's it's tough.

Speaker 2 (22:40):
And Justin says I agree with Courtney's take. I have
to agree that there is more joy now. I don't
want to diminish what Bill did, and obviously the run
with Tom and Bill will never be replicated, but the
energy is different. Right now. We have a coach that
brings a lot of energy and love to the Patriots
players and fan base. We have an explosive and fun
quarterback was loved by the public. The vibes right now

(23:01):
are immaculate. I'm twenty five, so these last few years
were the first time I've ever felt negative about watching
my Patriots. But this new regime has turned everything around
for the better.

Speaker 1 (23:10):
That's that's great context. He's twenty five.

Speaker 2 (23:14):
Right, and that's what they were.

Speaker 1 (23:15):
So he's only talking about fourteen sixteen, and I would
agree with him. Yeah, he's right. This is way more
unbridled enthusiasm than you had the second part of the dynasty.

Speaker 6 (23:25):
Right.

Speaker 1 (23:25):
He wasn't there to experience the first part, right, I
would say that that was more than this. This right
now is kind of what the previous emailer said, like
kind of dealing with house money. This is great. There's
a lot of excitement in Old one. It was like,
are they really doing this? This is unbelievable. And then
they went again, and they went again, like it was
just get on board. It was. It was amazing.

Speaker 6 (23:45):
You know.

Speaker 1 (23:46):
By the time that they got to like go three,
the excitement for this team was unlike anything I'd ever
seen that. Like, they that team, the Old one, three
and four supplanted the Red Sox and Fred and I
will tell you there was a time that no one
ever thought that would be possible. And at the same time,

(24:07):
the Red Sox were going through it with the Yankees
in the height of the Red Sox Yankees thing. By
by oh five, oh six, the Patriots had supplanted the
Red Sox. Is the number one sheriff in town.

Speaker 2 (24:17):
Oh yeah, Yeah.

Speaker 5 (24:19):
There's an innocence to this team right now too. And
I think it's a lot of it's Drake, but just
you know, a young kid. He's very likable, you know,
not a lot going on. He doesn't have you know,
all kinds of crazy side gigs and commercials. You know,
he's just it's all kind of pretty easy right now,
and it's only going to get more complicated, I feel like,
because that's just the nature of the beast and how
football works, and you know he's going to start to

(24:39):
grow and his star power is going to become a
bigger thing and all that. So I just trying to
enjoy these days where there aren't really expectations right now.
But again, you have an opportunity this weekend that I
just he got to take advantage of these and that
I think should be the message from Mike Rabels that
you had an opportunity, but nothing else is guaranteed after
this opportunity, you know, and opportunities can go by the
wayside if you don't take advantage of them. So just

(25:00):
I would be sick to my stomach to see them,
you know, have this come out of the by with
his opportunity and not see them reach the goals.

Speaker 1 (25:07):
Is often the case.

Speaker 6 (25:08):
Fred.

Speaker 1 (25:08):
I'm going to say you were right and I was wrong,
because there's no bigger Patriots fan than the one sittings
where I left right, and he feels exactly the way.

Speaker 2 (25:16):
He's already thinking about like what's he gonna do.

Speaker 1 (25:18):
What's gonna happen if it doesn't go like I looked
at it totally the honest You've got a young quarterback
who might win MVP. He ain't going anywhere the same
reason why I tell you that Kansas City and Buffalo
are always going to be threats to win the Super Bowl.
You're a threat to, right, So.

Speaker 2 (25:33):
What's set up for the future now?

Speaker 5 (25:34):
But you think if Josh, if Josh Allen Wills's team
to victory this weekend, is Drake may still the MVP favorite?

Speaker 3 (25:40):
No, maybe not Josh Allen.

Speaker 1 (25:45):
I'm not saying that he's the m v P favorite
right now. I don't know that, but I'm saying he's
a candidate. You have one of those guys now, right,
So as long as you have one of those like
Patrick Mahomes is not an MVP candidate this year, he
gives Kansas City a chance to win the Super Bowl
every year. It's not gonna well for.

Speaker 3 (26:00):
The Chiefs extent. I was going to say, except it's.

Speaker 1 (26:02):
Not going to happen for the Chiefs this year. But
everan again, I always point back to your nerd stats.

Speaker 8 (26:07):
They're not tell you.

Speaker 3 (26:08):
The nerd stats keep telling me the Chiefs are going
to turn it around, and.

Speaker 1 (26:12):
Happened this year for whatever reason, but it ain't because
of him. They will have a chance next year you
write them off at your peril.

Speaker 2 (26:20):
Speaking of former MVP candidates, what's going on with Lamar Jackson.

Speaker 1 (26:24):
I think he's just hurt.

Speaker 2 (26:25):
Yeah, yeah, people run.

Speaker 6 (26:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (26:28):
I don't think it's study.

Speaker 1 (26:30):
He can't. Yeah, he can on to it's a can'.

Speaker 3 (26:33):
There's so many players with Lamar where you're so used
to watching him pull away from the rush and you
scramble or extend the play, and now he goes to
like accelerate and there's just the giddy up isn't there,
and guys are catching him from behind and he's not
getting the sideline like he normally does.

Speaker 1 (26:50):
Something last week when we were doing the picks, when
we did the Baltimore game, you said that you had
like breaking new like you didn't practice it. Yeah, and
it was like the third different injury that prevented him
from practicing over the like the last six weeks or
something like that. Like, yeah, it happens.

Speaker 3 (27:07):
There's like so many plays. Yeah, Henry's been weird, like
it's like running into the back of his offensive lineman
and like not really like seeing it the way that
he was last year and for that offense. Yeah, but
I think a lot of it they don't do as
much design quarterback around because Lamar's hurt, so that they
did a little bit more last week against Pittsburgh, but

(27:27):
that's fallen by the wayside, just to Tad. And then
I would also say, like when you watch him drop
that pass, like you're so used to Lamar Jackson just
being the fastest guy on the field, and there are
times now where he's not the fastest guy on the field,
and it's I think it's hard for him because he's like,
I normally get away from this dude, and now, you know,
guys like are chasing me down from behind as I'm

(27:49):
trying to extend the play. You know what's kind of
going on.

Speaker 4 (27:51):
He those if those questions for the panel.

Speaker 5 (27:53):
If those two teams missed the playoffs, which one would
you rather be this offseason to try to rebuild?

Speaker 8 (27:58):
Whoo?

Speaker 2 (27:58):
Why would you rather the city Baltimore? I'd still rather
be Kansas Baltimore.

Speaker 1 (28:03):
I think Baltimore, well, I'd have to do a deeper
dive on the rosters, but I think they're both incredibly
talented teams. I think Baltimore probably has more talent.

Speaker 3 (28:11):
I think this is the sneaky issue right now. That
nobody wants to talk about with Kansas City's at Andy
Reid's seventy years old, and I'm not entirely sure. I'm
not entirely sure how much Andy Reid has left in
the tank. And like everybody, I agree for the most
part that as long as Patrick Mahomes is a Kansas

(28:31):
City chief, he's they're going to be a super Bowl favorite.
But what happens when they have to change head coaches?
Because that that's coming. And I think, you know their offense,
watching their offense, they don't put a ton of scheme
out there, like you're not like really looking at this offense, like, wow,
what a well designed you know, this is such a
hard offense to defend it it's not. And I just

(28:52):
wonder how much of that is Andy Reid kind of
running out of steam.

Speaker 2 (28:56):
So Houston knocked them off. Kansas City dangerous team, they're
they're like, I don't I don't even know if I
can call them a dark horse because they're playing so well.
But they're a team that if you if you want
to get some better odds and vote and bet on
somebody winning the Super Bowl, I think Texans would be
a good, good value at.

Speaker 1 (29:17):
The whole, like, who do you root for when you
know in these out of town games. With that in mind,
if I were a Patriot fan and I was keeping
track of that division, I would want Houston to keep winning,
win the division. Yeah, I don't want to see them
in a wild card game. Like right now, the Patriots

(29:38):
would be the two seed. Houston would be the seventh seed.
That's not ideal. That's not an ideal matchup in wild
card weekend, in the first round playoff game. Whereas if
they can keep winning and keep this momentum, at least
they win the division, you wouldn't have to see them
until a little later on.

Speaker 2 (29:53):
Do we have any updates on Philip Rivers tryout with
the Colts.

Speaker 3 (29:58):
Went well, well.

Speaker 2 (30:01):
Listen, I could see bringing him in, you know, like
he knows. Oh my god, he probably held enough of
life in his head that you don't have to like,
you know, get him up to speed, just put him
out there, let's play football.

Speaker 3 (30:14):
It sounds like he's gonna it. Sounds like it would
be a backup, that they would still ll.

Speaker 4 (30:20):
Be a backup and reset your Hall of Fame came.

Speaker 3 (30:22):
I guess he has like some sort of connection with
Riley Leonard that he's worked with in the past, and
so they feel like that maybe he could be like
a mentor type of influence on him during this whole thing.
I've heard the the Houston thing a lot. Their offense
is not very good.

Speaker 1 (30:39):
Yeah, and I get that. You I guest you could
get into with them. I get that they look good
offensively in the first half of that game and then
they do.

Speaker 3 (30:48):
Yeah, they've had They've had a lot of issues, offensive
line issues, play calling issues, you know. Yeah, I don't know.
I mean, maybe Stroud gets hot. I could see that
Nico Collins is a great player, but.

Speaker 1 (31:04):
See, I think Stroud is significantly better than Bo Nicks.

Speaker 3 (31:07):
Oh yeah, that's why I could see that.

Speaker 1 (31:08):
When you talk about those defenses, yeah.

Speaker 3 (31:10):
Be careful, right, Well, that's why I would put.

Speaker 1 (31:12):
Defense coming back. I mean, he missed that time with
a concussion. I still believe.

Speaker 3 (31:17):
I get it. I get I get why people talk
that way about the Texans. I still just really like
the Patriots. In any game where they don't like, I
still feel like the way to beat the Patriots or
the way that they get knocked off is in some
sort of shootout, like a classic Drake May Josh Allen
go twelve rounds and Josh Allen has the ball last,

(31:38):
and it's just one of those types of games. I
don't know if are twenty to seventeen rock fight with
the Texans, you know, is really the way they go down?

Speaker 5 (31:48):
To me, it's I think I've said before, like I
view most of the league like is your defense good enough?
But there are a couple of defense I think that
are above that line and can actually dictate a game.
I would put Houston's absolutely those two defenses seem like
they're going to be a you know, tough, tough.

Speaker 1 (32:03):
Funny when I when I watch and I admittedly do
not watch those teams on a weekly basis, but when
I watch Houston's defense, it seems to me to be
significantly better than Denvers. When I watch Denver's defense, Yeah,
and I know they're both very good, Yeah, but they
got the pieces.

Speaker 4 (32:18):
I mean they both have, you know, good edge players,
good interior.

Speaker 1 (32:22):
Me issue I'm looking at like Will Anderson and Deil
Hunter at a different level than I am, like a
Nick Benito.

Speaker 4 (32:27):
Yeah, well, they've really been highlighted.

Speaker 3 (32:28):
I feel like the last well Will Anderson is Yeah,
Will Anderson is the real deal. Yeah, their metrics are weird.
Their pass rush metrics like aren't as good as you
would expect. And I was like kind of questioning life.

Speaker 10 (32:39):
You know.

Speaker 5 (32:40):
It's like sometimes in the defense, just like these guys
are controlling the.

Speaker 1 (32:43):
Line of st numbers, the Broncos dominate, like the Aussos
might set a record for sacks, but I don't look
at them as being as ferocious as I do Houston.

Speaker 2 (32:50):
So I want to open it up to the fans
and listeners. But before we do that, Paul, any referee
moments or time clock management moments that really bothered you.

Speaker 1 (32:59):
I'm glad you last because you sort of alluded to
the fact that Joe Burrow was on the take in
the Bengals game.

Speaker 2 (33:05):
I never said that. I never said I said right
up to the line and then stopped. So I just
said it was weird that he had two consecutives drive. Weird.

Speaker 1 (33:14):
The way that happened was the way you said it.

Speaker 2 (33:16):
But nothing nothing to do with you know, your stuff.

Speaker 1 (33:20):
There needs to be an investigation on the Steelers officials
in that game that, as Joe Murray would say, that
was smelly, That was smelling.

Speaker 3 (33:30):
The Isaiah likely touched all of it.

Speaker 1 (33:32):
The Isaiah to call on the on the field goal,
which the NFL has admitted that was the wrong call.
That call in the end zone, which I've never fifty
seven years of watching football, I've never heard the act
needed to make an act come into the game. And
then when asked to define that, it's a football move

(33:53):
common in all the game, that's fine, but an act
comment too the game. When asked to find what that
would be, the answer was a third step. I've never
heard a third step being required for.

Speaker 3 (34:03):
It was weird because he took like six steps, but
like they were like in quick succession, and he was
still like he had the ball, but the defender was
starting to try to pry the ball out and so
so it's like when I thought it was a touchdown too,
but I could see if you're watching it full speed
versus watching it frame by frame. When you watch it
frame by frame, Monicalay, they held it the other way around.

Speaker 1 (34:24):
They fold speed. They called it a touchdown, and then reverse.

Speaker 3 (34:27):
When you saw it frame by frame, You're like, this
guy had the ball for ten minutes.

Speaker 4 (34:30):
What are you talking about?

Speaker 3 (34:32):
Yeah, But then when you watch it in real time
and it kind of comes out quick quicker.

Speaker 1 (34:36):
And then the other one in that same game, Rogers
gets a ball battered at the line and he jumps
up and puts two hands on it, and then the
raven comes in and they're battling over the ball and
Rogers goes to his knee as the guy's ripping out
of his hands, and they claim no third step, calm
and move comm into the game, move necessary. He's down

(34:57):
by contact with the ball in his hands, which if
he he had it in his hands while he was
down by contact, it was for a millisecond, and they
said that that's no no turnover like that game smelled
fred okay, smelly all right, as my buddy Joe Mury
likes to say, okay, okay. Now, I know everybody was

(35:17):
up in arms about the bronco Is Raiders game in
terms of the gambling aspect. That was the Raiders kick
a field goals as time expired. Like, I don't know
what they're supposed to do there.

Speaker 3 (35:28):
To cover that spread.

Speaker 1 (35:29):
That's a bad beat. That's a bad like my heart
goes out to my gambling brethren. I am not allowed
to do that sort of thing, so I didn't worry
about it, but he's trying to make it so this
he was lobbying for more time on the car. He's
trying to kick the field goal and have the big
time left for a possible miracle.

Speaker 3 (35:51):
A touchdown on a nine side kick, right, That's the
only way it would have been able to But it
did make it a one score game, right, which you
know how these coaches are, well, we had eight one
score losses last year.

Speaker 1 (36:01):
I'm just saying, like, somehow I think fill a hill
Mary on that. I'm like, you would have felt better
if you lost on a hill, Mary instead of the field, Like,
why would that make you feel better?

Speaker 3 (36:11):
I did like that they covered the because it supports
my anti Broncos agenda. I know it was yeah, but
I know, but you know, one score game.

Speaker 4 (36:21):
I pictured the Raiders with the spread, So that.

Speaker 3 (36:23):
Was like the one that was like the one time
where I was like, you know what, Broncos, good for you.
You played a bad team and you kick their butts.
There's here's some flowers. Good job he did. Didn't win
by one point?

Speaker 4 (36:36):
All right?

Speaker 2 (36:36):
Eight five five Pats five hundred is the Hotline podcasts
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you engage with us during the show.

Speaker 1 (36:49):
Did you have any referee things. I didn't really have
any clock management issues this week, none that really stood
out to me.

Speaker 2 (36:55):
No.

Speaker 1 (36:56):
I thought the Bears did a really nice job. Actually,
they got it very patient. I thought Ben Johnson V's
boy was very patient, stuck with the run. Even in
the last two minutes. They moved and obviously had every
opportunity to tie the game. And Caleb his one bad throw,
he just underthrew it. He had comet in the end zone.
But they didn't run out of time, they didn't run

(37:18):
out of space, they didn't run out of plays. They
just didn't execute the last play. Yeah, that said Fred,
good showing by your Bears at Lambeau. I thought they
were competed. I thought they were in trouble in that
game throughout and just kept finding a way to get
back in the game. And uh yeah, Caleb was kind
of quiet for periods of the game. But man, did

(37:39):
he make some throws on that last stride.

Speaker 3 (37:41):
He can rip it, big packers.

Speaker 2 (37:42):
He has an amazing arm, but his propensity to like
scramble out and leave himself only half the field and
make the play as he goes to the sideline, that's
gonna wear out. That's a hard way to live. A
lot of his plays come that way.

Speaker 3 (37:55):
He has to get better at, you know, in structure
conventional offense. He's got some of the best highlight reel
throws of any quarterback in the NFL. But he's going
to be consistently good. He's going to have to do
some of those.

Speaker 1 (38:08):
I think he had two throws on that last drive
that were just like, yeah.

Speaker 3 (38:12):
Really agreed, he's quite a time shot maker.

Speaker 1 (38:15):
And then he under threw the big one because he
had him he did.

Speaker 3 (38:19):
Can we talk a really quickly a little college football
minute here.

Speaker 2 (38:23):
For because.

Speaker 3 (38:26):
First of all, well, we can get to the playoff
if we want to.

Speaker 2 (38:29):
But this is uh talk about in the past.

Speaker 1 (38:33):
Anyway.

Speaker 3 (38:34):
On Saturday night, for Nanda, Mendoza became the number one
pick in the draft, Like that's who that's over the
Indiana's quarterback?

Speaker 1 (38:43):
Who was he?

Speaker 2 (38:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (38:44):
Fred I did he gave me an opportion to I
don't know.

Speaker 2 (38:47):
I saw a little bit of that.

Speaker 3 (38:48):
Good job, Douce, good job. I'm barring an absolute collapse
in the playoff, He's going to be the number one
overall pick, and I think that there could be multiple
teams trying to get him as the number one overall
pay you.

Speaker 2 (39:04):
Know, because people were going to look at it and go, Wow,
what Mary Indiana is so good and it's because of him,
not just so good, like like really good.

Speaker 3 (39:14):
Their head coach is fantastic.

Speaker 1 (39:15):
Defense was unbelievable, but he is.

Speaker 3 (39:18):
He's the real deal. I mean some of the throws
that he made down the stretch in that game in
the fourth quarter where he seems smart and that's the
best defense in college football. Yeah, the fade ball at
the end, that's a defense in the nation signet, that's
how you do it. Really good player.

Speaker 2 (39:35):
He's like a real cerebral guy too, So.

Speaker 4 (39:37):
A battle for him.

Speaker 1 (39:39):
I say this only half in jest. Yes, would it
give you any pause to watch his postgame?

Speaker 3 (39:46):
Yes, It's exactly what I texted Barth after the game
as I was watching him basically move to tears in
the postgame interview and act like a little bit of
a hard just He's got that little like nervous, like
geek energy, and I like it, but I also am like,
we gotta have a little bit more Joe cool to us.

Speaker 1 (40:06):
You know, like I just texted my brother as soon
as it half. I said that interview would scare the
bleep out of me.

Speaker 3 (40:11):
He will be asked about that in the draft. In
the draft process.

Speaker 1 (40:17):
He was really good.

Speaker 3 (40:18):
He's fantastic, He's really good.

Speaker 1 (40:20):
I was bummed out. He got lit up on like
his first pass attempt of the game. After we threw it,
he got a hit. It was a clean hit and
he was down and I was like, Oh, you gotta
be kidding this like the game of the year one
versus two and he's going to be out. But he
only missed like one play. His brother came and his.

Speaker 3 (40:37):
Brothers the backup.

Speaker 4 (40:39):
Did he to come out of nowhere this year? I
don't really remember last year.

Speaker 3 (40:42):
No, last year, and I was a college football playoff
team as well, and really good program.

Speaker 4 (40:47):
But was he was he getting hyped for first overall
pick yet?

Speaker 3 (40:51):
I don't know about first overall pick, but certainly part
of this quarterback class and has really kind of lapped
the field and uh, you know.

Speaker 1 (40:58):
Most of those guys had down he did not.

Speaker 3 (41:02):
Yeah, and then Tulane and gmu getting in is just
an absolute travesty.

Speaker 1 (41:07):
Like I have no issue with Tulane. I have no issue.
If you want to have one of those, just say like,
because you can't just exclude you know, half the country.

Speaker 3 (41:14):
Yes you can.

Speaker 1 (41:15):
But the rule that they put in that the five
highest rated conference champions are automatic is insane. There's no
And I love JM you your guy. You have your
holy Cross shaired on. Bob Chesney is the James Madison
coach who's now going to be going to UCLA. Good
for them, they had a great year. They don't belong.
Evan's exactly right, they're going to get boat raced, and

(41:38):
now you have two of those teams that are that
are kind of in that situation where they don't really belong.
I don't understand why you set yourself up that way.

Speaker 4 (41:47):
No eighteen with eighteen playoff?

Speaker 1 (41:49):
No?

Speaker 3 (41:49):
Or is that the twelve?

Speaker 4 (41:50):
Well, I mean, you know, make all the good games
you want to, you know.

Speaker 1 (41:53):
But so again, there's four power conferences and then there's
the group of five. So I understand you don't want
to exclude like Boise State had a representative performance last year,
they didn't get killed, and they were the group of five.
So the best of the rest goes. I don't need
two the two best of the rest.

Speaker 3 (42:11):
But Boise if you just had picked the top twelve
teams in Boise State would have been in it last year.

Speaker 1 (42:16):
Maybe anyway, I don't think so.

Speaker 3 (42:18):
But I mean higher ranked than Tulane and JMU are yes,
and so like maybe they were the sixteenth ranked team
in the country instead of the twelfth. But like, this
is a situation where there's a very real chance that
both those teams lose by like three or four touchdowns,
and they're.

Speaker 1 (42:33):
Especially James Madison. Well, at least Tulane played Old Miss
and that game was a little bit closer than the
score indicates. I think they get up like twenty two
in the fourth quarter to make it a real blowout.
They have to play Old Miss again. Who knows what
Ole Miss is going to be?

Speaker 5 (42:46):
Like, I will say this though, I mean, you guys
know better than me. I mean, I know, was it
Dan Lanning in Oregon seem pretty hard out, But I've
seen Chesney go into the was it the the FCS
I guess semi finals against South Dakota, who's always awesome.

Speaker 4 (43:01):
They were outmatched.

Speaker 5 (43:02):
They everyone was saying they're gonna get killed, and he
was just crazy aggressive. I mean and just going for
on site kicks right off the bat. I'm not saying
they're gonna win the game.

Speaker 1 (43:11):
I'm just saying, if you're going to watch the game,
I hope you're right.

Speaker 5 (43:13):
They caution to the win and they're gonna have double
passes and all kinds of stuff.

Speaker 4 (43:17):
They're there for the first catch Dakota. But then they.

Speaker 1 (43:20):
Played a couple of teams that were you know, they
played Washington State as an example, who's not exactly a power,
and they were life and death with them. I think
they won on the last second field goal. So I
don't I don't see it, but I'm rooting for it.
I hope it's a close game. I love the playoff.
I love the drama it creates. I was glued to
that that drawing, and I just, you know, one of

(43:43):
these years, Fred, I don't know, maybe maybe the breaks
will go Notre Dame's way on one of these times,
and maybe they'll get a break and they'll get a
playoff bid or something.

Speaker 3 (43:52):
I wish it wasn't Notre Dame because I'm very big
on it should be the twelve best teams. Like, I
don't care what conference you're in. I don't care if
he won the Sun Belt, like I'm not, I don't care.
It should just be the top twelve teams. But then
in order to have that take, I have to defend
Notre Dame, which I really hate, but like even BYU,
I think, okay, why it all?

Speaker 1 (44:12):
See this is because they do the way they do it,
and they have these rankings come out the four or
five previous weeks, and they had Notre Dame ahead of BYU,
who was ahead of Miami, and for some reason, that
eliminated the possibility of the committee comparing Miami a Notre Dame,
which makes no sense to me. No one's explained that
to me as to why BYU losing in the Big

(44:33):
twelve championship game dropped them behind Miami and put Miami
now next to Notre Dame. So now they said, huh,
those two teams played. They have like the same schedule
all year, and they played each other and Miami beat them.
We're gonna put Miami over. I don't know why that
had to happen before they ever compared those two teams.
But Evan's right. Why BYU only lost Texas Texas twice

(44:55):
to Texas Tech. Why are they out right, that's not
I mean those could take or worse twice. Yeah, you know,
and I listen, I don't think by us all that good.
This is not necessarily would I would make an argument
more for like Vanderbilt or Texas, but I.

Speaker 3 (45:12):
Don't get I would love to see Texas, but that
was because.

Speaker 1 (45:15):
I think Texas was playing really well at the end
of the year in Tennessee.

Speaker 3 (45:18):
And like, I just think it's all like which teams
have a legitimate chance to actually win the national championship?

Speaker 1 (45:24):
And I think I can make an argument that Notre
Dame would. Yes, you can make an argument that Vanderbilt
could have made a run. I think you could make
an argument that Texas could have made a run. You
cannot make a run argument an argument for James Madison.

Speaker 2 (45:35):
All Right, we said we're going to briefly talk about college.
All right.

Speaker 1 (45:37):
I'm sorry, ever, and I like, I'm so sorry that
college football on the bye.

Speaker 3 (45:43):
Week that we talked about college.

Speaker 2 (45:47):
Say that for catch twenty two.

Speaker 3 (45:48):
Oh, I'm sure we will.

Speaker 2 (45:49):
All right, let's get to the phones. We'll go to
Sam in Easton. What's up, Sam? Hey, guys, how you
doing good?

Speaker 4 (45:56):
Sam?

Speaker 7 (45:58):
Yeah? I got a question for all you guys, and
then one for Paul if you let me have time here.
But are you guys all a little bit superstitious with football?

Speaker 1 (46:07):
Yeah? Sure, I'm pretty superstitious in general. Yeah, so I
think we're.

Speaker 7 (46:12):
On a collision course to play Buffalo in the playoffs.
Do you feel better going into that playoff game having
swept Buffalo or split in the series with a guy
like Josh Allen?

Speaker 1 (46:21):
Yeah, it's a good question.

Speaker 2 (46:22):
Now you have to beat him three times?

Speaker 1 (46:24):
Beat him?

Speaker 2 (46:25):
Yeah, I looked it up.

Speaker 7 (46:26):
It's only happened twenty four times this nineteen seventy that
division opponent has swept another DIFFERENTI opponent, and most recently
was Philly beat.

Speaker 6 (46:34):
The Giants who stuck.

Speaker 2 (46:35):
So twenty four times out of how many opportunities, you
know what I mean?

Speaker 10 (46:39):
Like, I mean, it's.

Speaker 7 (46:40):
Fifty six years though, you got to think it happens
at least one.

Speaker 1 (46:43):
But you're saying that they played three times in.

Speaker 7 (46:47):
In one season counting a playoff game, right, like sweet?

Speaker 1 (46:50):
And it happened twenty four times one team had won
the previous two.

Speaker 7 (46:56):
Yes, yeah, only twenty four times that's happened.

Speaker 2 (46:58):
Okay, So how many times did it happened where one
team won the previous two to.

Speaker 1 (47:02):
Oh, like, so twenty four times one team was two
and zero in the regular season, then they played in
the game and.

Speaker 7 (47:08):
Won for this and they won, right, they won? They
guess the opponent three different times in one year.

Speaker 2 (47:14):
Yeah, So he's saying twenty four times they won three times,
and I'm saying out of how many.

Speaker 3 (47:18):
No, he's saying three of twenty four pulled it off, right,
that's what you're saying.

Speaker 7 (47:23):
No, no, no, What I'm saying is to win three
division games. It's only happened twenty four times that a
team has swept their opponent, right, regular season and playoffs, right,
So it parts a lot.

Speaker 1 (47:33):
Yeah, that's right to me, that's a lot. Twenty four
times a team went three and ozero against the team.

Speaker 2 (47:38):
And out of fifty six years, that's a lot.

Speaker 1 (47:42):
Yeah, that seems like a lot to I don't think though.

Speaker 7 (47:44):
I think there's a lot of division matchups, and especially
with a guy of Josh Allen's caliber, I just don't
see him losing to us uh three times. I just
have a feeling we're going to lose this week and
then we're going to get them in the playoffs.

Speaker 2 (47:55):
Okay, that's fine, but I get that.

Speaker 1 (47:57):
I mean, that doesn't fall into the superstition part to me.
But I would rather be the team that won twice.
I'd rather Buffalo have a little doubt. Yeah, you know
what I mean. I'd have Buffalo come into that game like,
I think we're the better team, but they.

Speaker 5 (48:10):
Beat us twe But remember the Jets, right, you hammered
him here like forty five.

Speaker 1 (48:16):
You didn't beat them, but you didn't beat them earlier.

Speaker 4 (48:18):
Oh you did, you hammered him and then like four weeks.

Speaker 1 (48:22):
So that's what I think he's talking about, Like teams
that played three times. I can't imagine that there's been
twenty four to three and oh's right.

Speaker 2 (48:29):
Yeah, but I don't know.

Speaker 1 (48:31):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (48:31):
He probably did.

Speaker 1 (48:33):
If you have a question, Yeah, what.

Speaker 7 (48:40):
Why do you always think DJ Stroud is one of
the best TV's. I think he's a good player, but
I think.

Speaker 1 (48:46):
One of the best quarterbacks.

Speaker 2 (48:48):
Yeah you do.

Speaker 1 (48:49):
I've never put him in the homes ally.

Speaker 7 (48:51):
An excellent quarterback.

Speaker 1 (48:53):
I think he I think he is a very good quarterback,
but I don't put him in the best category with
mahomes about him.

Speaker 7 (48:58):
That's that good I mean, I.

Speaker 1 (48:59):
Don't think he's I think he's extremely accurate, extremely accurate. Yeah,
I think I think he's really good, Okay, but I don't.
I don't put him in the elite category with with Mahomes,
Alan Burrow, and I would put I'm gonna put me
in there now based on this season.

Speaker 7 (49:18):
I would, but.

Speaker 1 (49:22):
Stroud did this two years ago, and everybody's forgotten about
Stroud better than Herbert. No, Stroud better than Herbert. No,
I don't put him in Herbert's category either, and people
will tell you Herbert stinks too.

Speaker 3 (49:32):
I think there's like three tiers of quarterbacks right now.
There's like my second tiers, Okay, so I don't know
if I like, there's like the S tier, which is Alan, Mahomes,
Lamar Burrow. I think that those four, I mean, Drake's
knocking on the on the club of the door, but
those four are then it's the next tier I think

(49:53):
is Stafford Drake, Like, maybe do you put Stroud in there?
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (49:58):
I would put Herbert Herberts, and I would put Stroud
as long as Stroud's healthy. I think that that concussion.

Speaker 2 (50:06):
That I don't think Stroud's as good as May.

Speaker 1 (50:09):
Uh right, now, he's not right, it's not as mobile as.

Speaker 3 (50:12):
Yeah, the two and three tier gets murky because then
you also have to like.

Speaker 1 (50:19):
The same player too. I mean, like, I don't I
don't put Stroud in the elite category. I don't put
May there yet either, Right.

Speaker 2 (50:26):
No, that's fine. There's only four in that well.

Speaker 1 (50:28):
That's yeah, that's the club Danny's and Daytona.

Speaker 2 (50:33):
What's up, Danny?

Speaker 11 (50:35):
Can you guys hear me?

Speaker 2 (50:36):
Yeah?

Speaker 11 (50:38):
He so, I had a couple of takes. I know
you guys have been seeing it's been crazy around the
league with all the news. But I'm gonna I'm gonna
get straight to the Patriots. So when I heard a
lot of Paul's guys, a lot of your guys are
talking about some points that you guys talk for the
bye week about.

Speaker 10 (50:57):
The run game.

Speaker 11 (50:58):
I think the two deficiencies which I brought up last call.
I called you all a week ago with Bearringer that
a lot of people are talking about him though he's
growing some heat. Did you know the that's gonna be
that field of advantage where he's shanking punts. I see
that happening coming again this coming week. He's probably gonna
shank a couple of punts that'll screw us over, and

(51:18):
then the run game it's just uh. I was gonna
bring on a point to Evan's point that I think
that this season they're just gonna have to bandage it
for the rest of the season and going into the playoffs.
They don't have that dynamic line that you know that
we were used to through the Brady you know, the
the latter part of the Dynasty where they had Cannon

(51:40):
and you know, and Andrews and stuff like that. So
they don't have that dynamic fullback. They're just kind of
throwing random guys back there to block. So I think
the run game is gonna be what it is until
we can actually get the full pieces next season. So
I think Mike's just gonna have to Mike and Josh
are just gonna have to glue it and make it work. Yeah,

(52:01):
I just don't see the run game working right.

Speaker 3 (52:05):
I'm not as I'm not worried about the run game
outside of situational running, Like when it's third and one,
you got to be able to pick up a yard.
When you're on the goal line, you got to be
able to punch the ball in their passing game is
so good that I don't think they need this like
great running game between the twenties. But situationally, they have
to be better. They have to be better in goal
to go. They have to be better in third and short.

(52:26):
You know, they're almost as good in third and long
as they are in third and short because they're third
and short package. They don't run the ball well. So
they got to figure that out. Hopefully getting Toanga back.

Speaker 4 (52:36):
That's what I was going to say yesterday practice. A
couple guys back out there.

Speaker 3 (52:38):
Yeah, Tonga was limited, but he was out there, so hopefully,
you know, he comes back. Maybe they run Drake more
once the games get more, the stakes get higher in
some of these bigger games, maybe his legs become a
factor more in some of these short yardage type of situations.
But I'm not too concerned that they can't run it,
you know between the twenties forty times a game, like

(53:00):
they can throw it forty times a game.

Speaker 2 (53:01):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Brett writes in he says, if the
Eagles don't make the AFC Conference game, aj Brown is
a Patriot next year, bet love Rabel heartbroken that he
didn't get traded to the drafted by the Patriots. Rabel
didn't approve of trading him to the Titans. Patriots have
a great track record of getting the last best bits
of older wide receivers and Josh F n McDaniels, I

(53:24):
know the contract stuff is a hurtle, but nothing is
impossible when it comes to getting deals done. AJ Brown
reunites with an amazing head coach and an OC that
he wanted to play under coming out of the draft,
and aj gets to leave his stamp on getting the
Patriots their seventh Lombardi next season.

Speaker 1 (53:41):
I don't like that talk, right.

Speaker 3 (53:46):
Am I wrong to be a little bit worried about
Aj Brown?

Speaker 2 (53:48):
He had then he well he had a lot of
your honest but he had a lot of drops last
night too.

Speaker 3 (53:52):
He just doesn't look the same.

Speaker 1 (53:54):
He runs all that well. But I'd be I'd be
interested in that kind of a I see what Evan's
talking about.

Speaker 3 (54:03):
I would be interested in it because it's it's sam
kind of like when they signed Digs. Like, if it
works out, then you're gonna get a great AJ Brown
season and it's worth it. But he's been part of
the problem in Philly. He's been as much a part
of the problem as Jalen Hurts in a lot of ways.
And like last night, Jalen Hurts could not have thrown
that ball any better for that touchdown that would have

(54:23):
won the game at the end of the game, and
he dropped it. He fled out dropping it. Yeah, I
mean he literally put it right on his hands, like,
could not have thrown anybody.

Speaker 1 (54:31):
You picked right? Yes, thereafter?

Speaker 3 (54:33):
Do you want me to clear up the Division three
time thing? So there's been twenty four total instances of
that happening. Teams that are going for three and zero
are fifteen and nine, which is actually pretty pretty good.
And I thought pretty good.

Speaker 1 (54:48):
Okay, because so if you're better, if you've won the
first two, yeah, and chances are you're going to win
all three if you if you're the better team.

Speaker 3 (54:56):
We do have breaking news about Grampa Rivers. He he
is indeed signing with the Colts. Okay, forty four year
old Philip Rivers is signing with the Indianapolis Colts to
their practice squad though, so this is designed to be
a backup for now, but the practice squad.

Speaker 1 (55:13):
Wow, So that does not reset his Hall of Fame
not yeah, which was everybody was very concerned about But
are we sure Philip Rivers is a Hall of Famer.
I'm not either, and everybody's acting like we're gonna take
them off.

Speaker 4 (55:25):
Today's like the Hall of Fame children production.

Speaker 2 (55:29):
I would say Jeremiah says, I disagree with Mike. Mike
is a great guy and an all time Boston podcaster,
but he is overreacting a bit about what I don't know.
Drake was able to out Superhero Allen last time, and
he has been playing at an MVP level all season.
The only way Mike Mike's scenario comes to fruition. What's

(55:51):
your scenario that I think Josh gets the MVP probably
is if Drake completely falls on his face, which I'm.

Speaker 1 (55:57):
Not banking on. Yeah, no, that's not But that's not true.
The only way the Bills can win is if Drake
falls on his face.

Speaker 2 (56:04):
No MVP for Josh Allen.

Speaker 1 (56:08):
Yeah, I don't think that's true. Like Drake has toast face.

Speaker 2 (56:11):
That's what he said. You don't have to agree with him.

Speaker 1 (56:16):
But do you think that, I mean, forget me. Do
you think that he has to.

Speaker 2 (56:20):
No, I think has to fall apart right now. I
think at this moment in time, I think Josh Allen
is ahead of him by a helmet because the Bills
aren't that great, their defense isn't playing that well, and
he doesn't have a lot of weapons, not that Drake has,
you know, Randy Mawson, Ron Gronkowski, but I think Josh

(56:41):
Allen's putting that team more on his shoulders than Drake lately.
Now let's see down the stretch.

Speaker 3 (56:47):
Yeah, you think Josh Allen's ahead of Drake and the
MVP right now.

Speaker 2 (56:51):
At this moment, I don't, oh no, but I.

Speaker 3 (56:54):
Think he could be if if he goes four straight
wins and finishes the season like he played on Sunday,
And that's that's different. The level of play weak. But
right now it's a two.

Speaker 1 (57:04):
Horse That's when you enter the chat.

Speaker 3 (57:06):
Yeah, is a two horse race right now. Stafford and
Drake may like Josh Allen is a Stafford Like when
you look at the betting odds, it's like those two
guys and then like a huge gap to the to
Josh Allen at three. I don't know how much it
moved after Sunday, but I think really the only thing
that that is holding Drake back over Stafford is the touch.

Speaker 2 (57:27):
I just said. You know, I think Sunday did tip
the skills a little bit because the only reason the
Bills won was Josh Allen.

Speaker 3 (57:35):
Or Christian Benford, Joe Burrow.

Speaker 2 (57:40):
You know, I think what he was he was the
X factor. Uh spiing Fresno. Some Evan comparisons, Uh more
of a Homer Fred or Evan. It's more of a
Homer right?

Speaker 1 (57:54):
Oh me?

Speaker 2 (57:55):
Wow?

Speaker 4 (57:56):
Well, I think Evan's dedicated to the game more than
the tough one.

Speaker 1 (58:00):
I forgive.

Speaker 2 (58:01):
That's some more thoughts, Okay, more petulant and huffey Paul
or Evan.

Speaker 3 (58:05):
Well, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (58:06):
Usually sometimes.

Speaker 3 (58:10):
I don't like. I don't like. I don't like where
this email is gone.

Speaker 2 (58:14):
If it's X and it's Evan, if it's Patriots fans, Paul.

Speaker 1 (58:18):
I get, but Evan gets petulant.

Speaker 2 (58:21):
More of a Haardo Andy or Evan? Oh Andy Andy,
More condescending Eric or Evan Evan again depends on the
subject tonality issue, you do. But I don't think Evan
cares about how edinblow is pronounced. But when it comes
to X.

Speaker 4 (58:40):
And he guards football and Drake like it's you know.

Speaker 2 (58:44):
More of a ball. No where Evan Orlovsky.

Speaker 3 (58:48):
Danielevsky played in the NFL, so I'm going to give
it to Dan.

Speaker 1 (58:51):
So you're asking who actually knows more ball?

Speaker 4 (58:55):
You know, you can't step out of the end zone.

Speaker 2 (58:57):
Who would win one on one basketball, Evan or Barth.

Speaker 3 (59:00):
Oh, that's not close. If you are I have, he's
gonna even play high school sports. I think you are
so meany, I think that that is. This is something
that is not even close.

Speaker 4 (59:13):
And Evans around saying he could hit an NBA three
right like.

Speaker 3 (59:16):
Easily, no doubt.

Speaker 1 (59:18):
Have you ever attempted an NBA three?

Speaker 4 (59:20):
No, it seems like it's two miles away.

Speaker 3 (59:23):
It's not that far.

Speaker 1 (59:24):
It's just outside of like the comfortable like Westlake range. Yeah, totally,
but yeah, you can make them.

Speaker 2 (59:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (59:30):
So here's the thing that like, no, no, no, everybody
always everybody always changes this take around and they don't understand.

Speaker 4 (59:38):
So we're in an NBA game.

Speaker 3 (59:41):
I am telling you that I when I you watched
a lot of Celtics like me. If you have, like
Jalen Brown drives a lane for guys converge on him,
and I'm just standing out on the in the corner.
There's nobody within twenty feet of me. Would I make
every No, of course not. Could I make like one

(01:00:02):
in ten? Yeah, I feel like I could get one
to hit the back of the net, like.

Speaker 4 (01:00:08):
If I feel like I could get one in ten
penalty shots against.

Speaker 2 (01:00:10):
I actually was in a three point shooting contest at
the Garden, yeh TD Garden, and I was asked to
go to the next stage, but I couldn't because that
day I was going to see UMass in the NCAA
semifinals in New Jersey.

Speaker 4 (01:00:23):
Oh, was that like Marcus Camby or something?

Speaker 1 (01:00:25):
I was at that game in New Jersey.

Speaker 2 (01:00:27):
Yeah, I was sitting right in front of the Governor
of New Jersey.

Speaker 4 (01:00:30):
Really was that like the Marcus Camby years? Like the nineties?

Speaker 2 (01:00:33):
Absolutely?

Speaker 6 (01:00:33):
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Speaker 1 (01:00:34):
Yeah, I was there. I was there.

Speaker 2 (01:00:38):
Ryan and Quincy eleven and two. I can't believe it.
I was born in two thousand and can't believe that
I've only had to witness five years of poor football.
The one thing that deserves real acknowledgment is how much
credit the Craft should get. Every Patriots fan should thank
Craft when they wake up, because plenty of owners would
have stuck with Mayo and his regime for another year.

(01:00:58):
But Robert Craft recognize the mistake in getting Vrabel in
the building was the defining moment. We'll look back on
years from years from now. Let's go, let's clinch the division.
In Week fifteen, my prediction is another hard fought game,
but more scoring. Patriots come out on top. Thirty one
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Guys, morning, are you you great?

Speaker 1 (01:03:54):
Did you mess us?

Speaker 6 (01:03:55):
Yeah? I did. We'll find out in a second.

Speaker 9 (01:04:00):
Karen, Mike, you played Buffalo last week five lead and
how much has changed since then? Or is that film
for that game still viable for you?

Speaker 6 (01:04:14):
Well?

Speaker 14 (01:04:14):
And I think it's always viable. There's a lot that's changed,
but I think you can kind of see some of
the you know, play styles, matchups, you know, things that
they you know, they may come back to, or things
that we need to be more prepared for and then

(01:04:35):
you know kind of use that as a place to
kind of go from. And then you know, again some
of the things that they've done really well, I'm sure
they'll continue to do and add wrinkles, and.

Speaker 6 (01:04:46):
You know, it's a great challenge.

Speaker 8 (01:04:48):
Like you emphasize with T shirt this week for each
I don't use the hatt T shirt like we're just
trying to play for the championship that we have available
this week, and I think it's.

Speaker 14 (01:04:58):
A great a testament to our players that put us
in this position to be able to do that. And again,
that's not going to be easy. This is a very
good football team. There's a reason that they've won this
division five years in a row. A lot of respect
for him. You know, they're never out of it, never down,

(01:05:19):
and they may be down and just like last week,
you know, it's a football team that understands that you know,
somebody is going to make a play and then they
you know the quarterback is going to give them a
chance to the very end.

Speaker 6 (01:05:33):
You're six and oho is.

Speaker 15 (01:05:34):
A head coach coming off the bat with you understanding
that it's different years, different teams, different votes.

Speaker 1 (01:05:40):
All that are there are any sort of commonalities when
it comes to player focus.

Speaker 14 (01:05:44):
Well, I think that you know, and these guys have
played well, and you know that's the most important thing,
is focusing on what we can realistically try to improve
and it kind of enhance the stuff that we've been doing.

Speaker 6 (01:05:58):
Okay with what we'll try to.

Speaker 14 (01:06:01):
Do today and you know, I know these guys got
some some rest and much needed rest and you know,
but we've got to crank this thing back up.

Speaker 1 (01:06:10):
It's in the bicycle in the year, do you learn
just a little bit about yourself self scaled as the things.

Speaker 9 (01:06:16):
That you look back on.

Speaker 11 (01:06:19):
This more?

Speaker 9 (01:06:19):
Uh?

Speaker 14 (01:06:20):
I mean, I think you kind of know by the
way that the season is going, but you know, it's
always a good time to take a take a look
at you know, what you've done and what they're looking
at analytically and try to you know, figure some of
that out and and or just say, hey, we're we're
this is a staple of who we are and this

(01:06:42):
is what we're going to do and you know, try
to be good at it.

Speaker 3 (01:06:46):
Like you mentioned, sard of Buye that you're expecting some
players back after this week.

Speaker 9 (01:06:51):
Do you have me injury updates on the SPECI players.

Speaker 14 (01:06:58):
Yeah, some of those guys made practice today. I think
for sure Wednesday, you know, some of those guys that
weren't available, and we'll kind of just see where they're
at today. But I think will be okay come Wednesday.

Speaker 7 (01:07:10):
My teams line along rookies and ship what grade in
the three draft process that you brought.

Speaker 10 (01:07:16):
Into solved group?

Speaker 11 (01:07:17):
Mm hmmm.

Speaker 14 (01:07:19):
I think we'll get into player evaluation and scouting and
principles and all that stuff later, you know.

Speaker 6 (01:07:28):
I think you just you have to rely on.

Speaker 14 (01:07:32):
Uh, you know, young guys at your draft. Hopefully you know,
you can develop them and have them ready. You know,
some of them have played a larger role than others,
and some of them were kind of coming on and
you know that they understand their role, that they have
confidence and continue to improve.

Speaker 6 (01:07:50):
I think buying large group has done that well. We'll need,
you know, a lot of.

Speaker 14 (01:07:57):
A lot more from them as we move on as
we can, especially this week, you know, and then we
can talk about, you know, how we target players and
things like that later, mirror experience as.

Speaker 6 (01:08:11):
That player and the coach red zone offense.

Speaker 13 (01:08:15):
What are some of the common threads you've seen over
the years, that make a successful red zone offense other
than obvious scoring touchdowns, like what.

Speaker 6 (01:08:24):
Well, you have to have positive plays.

Speaker 14 (01:08:28):
You can't go backwards, you can't have penalties that derail drives.
Precision is critical, you know precision is critical that you
know space is limited. Things happen so much quicker down there,
So well, we'll have to score and turn those opportunities
into touchdowns, and we'll have to do a better job

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defensively when they do get down there.

Speaker 1 (01:08:54):
Mike, when Drake was first draft, there's a lot of
comparisons made to Josh Allen.

Speaker 3 (01:08:59):
Now it's kind of played out of it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:01):
Do you see that being more similar or dissimilar in how.

Speaker 4 (01:09:04):
They approach the game.

Speaker 14 (01:09:07):
I think they're both really good at what they do.
You know, Josh probably got a couple of LB's on
them and can kind of throw his his shoulder, and
they're probably a little bit more that I would rather.

Speaker 6 (01:09:19):
Want Drake to But I think they're both great competitors.

Speaker 14 (01:09:24):
I think they're uh, you know, a lot of respect
for Josh and just his ability to make something out
of nothing. I've enjoyed watching Drake's growth here, but I'm
not going to say one's certain way and one the other.

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I just huge challenge going against the quarterback that's under control,
he's got command, and just he doesn't look panicked or rattled.
And when you rush them or gets them into the
right play call and whatever, that be just a excellent
you know, obviously MVP quarterbacks like.

Speaker 4 (01:10:06):
You guys are playing for a division championship this weekend.

Speaker 8 (01:10:08):
I'm curious, though, you refer to your players, both.

Speaker 2 (01:10:11):
Of us and then with them after the game one day,
as champions or you know, you competed like champions champions
and are satisfied.

Speaker 1 (01:10:17):
Why why use that word when referring to your teeth.

Speaker 6 (01:10:22):
I think you're probably just reading too much into it.
You guys got too much time since the last time
we talked. I don't know, I apologize.

Speaker 14 (01:10:28):
I could call them something else, but then you guys
would yell at me for using that language.

Speaker 10 (01:10:35):
Like there's a bit of a weird one.

Speaker 1 (01:10:37):
But coming out of the by doing something kind of
league wide on the trend of teams posting after a
win that.

Speaker 6 (01:10:44):
Since you first became a lot of pressure.

Speaker 3 (01:10:48):
Legit, like, has it changed your mindset at all?

Speaker 8 (01:10:50):
Like going in there knowing that fans are going to
see everything you do and say.

Speaker 6 (01:10:53):
Well, they don't.

Speaker 14 (01:10:54):
I mean we I get the final say on it,
you know what I mean, Like Stretch can edit that
to make it look as good as you want.

Speaker 6 (01:11:03):
Yeah, I think it's Here's what I do.

Speaker 14 (01:11:04):
I think that our content team does a fantastic job
and the content teams across the league to bring our
fans really great access something that's inside the locker room
as quickly as they can get that turned around, and.

Speaker 6 (01:11:22):
So I appreciate what they do. I think it's fantastic.

Speaker 14 (01:11:28):
You know, I don't give it much thought until I
need to start thinking about it because I don't want to, you.

Speaker 6 (01:11:35):
Know, look ridiculous. I'm glad that they've given me plenty
of opportunities.

Speaker 14 (01:11:42):
To have some excitement in there that That's what I
appreciate the most is from the players giving us an opportunity,
and then the content team to continue to deliver really
authentic content to our fans.

Speaker 7 (01:11:57):
You just do you watch any other coaches and they
do it?

Speaker 14 (01:12:01):
Uh No, I mean I'm not taking my shirt off.
I can promise you that, No, I didn't.

Speaker 6 (01:12:08):
I'm not. I'm not practiced in the office.

Speaker 1 (01:12:11):
Coaches might not care if the fans have access to
that kind of stuff.

Speaker 11 (01:12:15):
Why is it if.

Speaker 8 (01:12:15):
Worn't to for the fans to have with the coach.

Speaker 6 (01:12:18):
I mean, this is you know, we we're in entertainment business.

Speaker 14 (01:12:22):
We we we that's it's a large part of what
we do.

Speaker 6 (01:12:29):
You know.

Speaker 14 (01:12:29):
I think that that's important that our fans have some
connection to our team to be able to come out
here to training camp starting you know, in July.

Speaker 6 (01:12:37):
I think that's important. I think it's important that that
our fans can come into the stadium and watch a scrimmage.
I think it's important that again they have.

Speaker 14 (01:12:47):
Things to cheer about on Sundays and when we play.
I think it's important that they see our players in
the community that not only as as players, but but
men trying to make a difference in trying to make
it impact and help. So the more that we can
do and the more that we can share with our fans,
the better.

Speaker 1 (01:13:08):
And now great moments in history.

Speaker 2 (01:13:13):
I got my tonsils out and I had a back
then you stayed over night, but this was planned. I
mean back then, I sucked my thumb and I had
a blanket and I did. I stopped that last year,
but we know who pussy is now. So you're in
this crib at night, and of course if you need anything,
you had a button to, you know, get the nurse there.
So I realized my blanket was in my suitcit.

Speaker 4 (01:13:35):
Suck it with his So I remember, I remember.

Speaker 2 (01:13:39):
Being this little kid, but you know, so I pressed
the button and the nurse comes over and she says, well,
you know, what do you need. I said, in that suitcase,
there's a blanket.

Speaker 1 (01:13:46):
I need it.

Speaker 2 (01:13:46):
And this thing was like tattered because I had literally
had it since I'd been born, you know, like where
I rubbed it, it was all worn out and everything. So
the nurse goes in, she goes this thing, and I
remember to I said, just give it to me.

Speaker 3 (01:13:58):
I don't need your com.

Speaker 4 (01:14:01):
Just give it to me.

Speaker 1 (01:14:03):
That's another great moment from.

Speaker 2 (01:14:08):
It's funny because I remember that it was my blanket.
It was my aunt actually knit it for me when
I was born. I had a little rabbit in the middle.
But by the time this incident happened, there was no
nothing was. It was just like just a rag. But
I would rub that thing and suck my thumb.

Speaker 4 (01:14:27):
That's what mine was. Literally the same story.

Speaker 6 (01:14:29):
It was.

Speaker 5 (01:14:29):
My parents called it rotten raged. They're like, where's rotten rag?
That was what they call my.

Speaker 2 (01:14:32):
Little My grandmother threw it in the trash once because
she said I was going to pull my teeth out,
you know, And I went in the trash and got
it out.

Speaker 1 (01:14:41):
It was a whole thing.

Speaker 4 (01:14:43):
My sister is still the same thing.

Speaker 2 (01:14:45):
Oh yeah, my blanket. I wish I had it now.
Jeff and Canada writes in on podcasts at pages dot com.
I know we're not worried about Sunday, but what if
it looks terrible and we lose handily? That would change
it for me little There is a strong argument to
be made the bills. Look us took us lightly back

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in September. They won't do that again. Are we prepared
for the fallout if we lose by seventeen points and
it was never competitive?

Speaker 1 (01:15:12):
Oh see, I'm yeah, but that could happen, right, But
I'm just saying, like, then, what like what what actually changes?

Speaker 4 (01:15:24):
Like?

Speaker 1 (01:15:24):
Do you do you like not think Drake may is
that good now?

Speaker 2 (01:15:28):
But if that happens, If that happens, according to this person,
it proves the point that maybe they were taking us
lightly and we weren't really that good.

Speaker 1 (01:15:35):
So what it would tell me is that maybe they
are a little bit ahead of schedule, and maybe they're not,
Like you know, they're a team that's a that has
eleven wins. They're not an eleven win team. That could
be true. Maybe maybe they're just they're not quite ready
to be a super Bowl contender yet. But I don't
care what happens Sunday. I'm not going to change my

(01:15:55):
belief that this team is on the track of being
a super.

Speaker 2 (01:15:58):
Bowl And your point is you should be just as
excited about this team because they are set up for
the future.

Speaker 1 (01:16:02):
And I would chalk it up personally as one bad game.
When you've won ten in a row, you doe for
a bad game.

Speaker 2 (01:16:09):
It could happen, But I want the bad game to
come against like the Jets.

Speaker 1 (01:16:12):
No, Fred, You're right, you do. I'm not dismissing the
guy's fears, because if they got manhandled by Buffalo, you
could easily make the argument that, well, this is what
happens when the other team doesn't turn it over three
times and they don't commit eleven penalties, you'll lose. You know,
that could happen. I'm not going to dismiss that, but

(01:16:32):
I just okay, so maybe Buffalo is better than you,
but what other teams in the AFC have suddenly gotten
better than you because Buffalo plays.

Speaker 2 (01:16:40):
I think fans dread the idea of having to defend
their team against your people. If that happens.

Speaker 1 (01:16:46):
That's and that part I agree with you on, because
they care more about that than what's actually important. There's
also defending the wall is by far the most important
thing for any self respect.

Speaker 5 (01:16:58):
Eleven game win streaking you can just sit or ten
game was streaking you can sit there, and.

Speaker 4 (01:17:04):
That cross right of Paul's keys here.

Speaker 5 (01:17:07):
But I think there's always also an element two of
these of these games. Generally speaking, you get down who
needs it more? Who needs this game more?

Speaker 4 (01:17:13):
You know? I think that's a.

Speaker 2 (01:17:14):
More desperate team.

Speaker 5 (01:17:15):
Bills are a little bit more desperate, and that I
think gives them, you know, a little bit of I
don't say an edge in the game, but it just
it gives them some motivation.

Speaker 2 (01:17:22):
I want to pound them.

Speaker 3 (01:17:23):
I don't know if the Bills are more desperate.

Speaker 1 (01:17:25):
I think they kind of give up the division. I
think they're just trying to hear what you win, well,
they have to win. Like the last four and they'll
be in the playoffs.

Speaker 3 (01:17:35):
But yeah, beating Pittsburgh and Cincinnati like they're going to
make the playoffs.

Speaker 1 (01:17:39):
That alleviated some of the pressure there.

Speaker 3 (01:17:41):
So now it's do they really feel, you know, like
they're the I think the more pressure now, the difference
between I guess maybe a little bit of Week five
and what now, Like the pressure now is on the Patriots,
Like the Patriots are the ones that are trying to
close it. That's the hardest thing to do, close the deal.
It's like when you're up in a in a series
three to two and you got to close it out
in game six. That's the hardest game to win.

Speaker 2 (01:18:03):
Yeah, you know, press a little little tight like.

Speaker 3 (01:18:06):
The Bills right now, I think are kind of like
we'll get into the dance. We have Josh Allen com Boston,
see what happens.

Speaker 5 (01:18:12):
Well that's and that's I was so impressed with how
this team came out on Monday Night football against the Giants,
just the energy they showed. And if they come out
with that kind of energy again and they look sharp
out of the gate, then I'm all in on your
Rabel gets the team ready to go after the bye
week stuff. That would really impress me. You know, just
any team coming off of bye you're a little bit weary.
Are they going to be a little little sloppy? Bills
are coming off of needing their best football down the stretch.

Speaker 3 (01:18:34):
So I do feel like there are some trends, you know,
other than just the bye week stuff, like the Bills
on the road have not been the same team as
they have been at home this year and three yeah,
they're averaging ten game points a game less on the
road than they are at home. I would say the
other thing, you know that really supports the Patriots to
me in this game, this Bill's defense is not the

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same Bills defense that it's been really since McDermott got there,
they've been a very good defense. Defense right now is
a twenty second in Dvoa. Their their middle of the
pack to even bottom half of the league defense. They
have injuries. You know, Ed Oliver is not going to
play in this game. I will see about Joey Bosa
to al Bernard probably not gonna play. So I think
their defense is about as weak as it's ever been,

(01:19:16):
and I think Allen's weapons are about as weak as
they've ever been.

Speaker 1 (01:19:20):
No question about definitely cook.

Speaker 3 (01:19:21):
He cooks great, and Shakers good and Kincaid's good. But
they they don't have they don't have the weapons they
used to have.

Speaker 2 (01:19:29):
The goal line fumbles.

Speaker 1 (01:19:32):
Yeah, this is his week.

Speaker 3 (01:19:33):
The Bills have been in which is why the Patriots
are winning the division at the moment, Like this is
the week as weak as they've been since Allen has
become Jos Deeffert.

Speaker 1 (01:19:40):
Yeah, this is an opportunity.

Speaker 2 (01:19:42):
To Mike's point, Ryan in Vegas subject line hypocritical Evan.
Evan just used the same argument to diminish the Broncos
win against the Raiders that he was freaking out last
week about people using against the Patriots Regarding weak opponents,
the ease of the Patriots' schedule is relevant and a
concern for when they go against some more talented teams.
We should be excited, but we are riding too high

(01:20:04):
and it feels similar to mac Jones's first year. And
Fred is right to be concerned about potentially being brought
back to reality this weekend. Either way, they've shown a
lot to be excited about the future. I'm not concerned
about it. I'm concerned that fans are concerned about it.

Speaker 3 (01:20:19):
Also, when we were talking about the Broncos and the Raiders.
I was joking. I was being facetious for you, as
they say the other thing. What was the other thing
that he said in the email? I was going to say,
and on.

Speaker 1 (01:20:31):
The schedule has been a factor. So this is you
know he said, he said the thing about the twenty
one competitors.

Speaker 3 (01:20:37):
Oh, that was it. I don't think this is anything
like twenty one because I think Drake is so much
better than mac Jones that I don't think that this
is really comparable to twenty one. There's a lot of
roots that are similar around the quarterback in terms of,
you know, you hit on a bunch of free agents,
you know, have a good draft, you know that sort
of thing. But you have one quarterback that was a
passenger in twenty twenty one, and you have another that's

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the favorite to win the.

Speaker 1 (01:21:00):
MVP driving the ship.

Speaker 3 (01:21:01):
Yeah lord, Yeah, But I.

Speaker 1 (01:21:03):
Will say nothing is going to change necessarily. Well I
shouldn't say nothing. I don't think my view of this
team will change much Sunday if they lose. But I
reserved the right to change my mind after the following
three games, you know, like, you know, the first loss
in twenty one wasn't like the end of the world.

(01:21:24):
But when they follow it up with whatever they lost, like,
would they lose for to the last six? I think
they were they were nine and four.

Speaker 4 (01:21:30):
And the finish Buffalo five.

Speaker 1 (01:21:34):
Yeah, because they were nine and four and they finished
ten and seven. Yeah, the last four, the last three
and four in the last I mean, I'm sorry, one
and three in the last four and then they lost
in the player and.

Speaker 3 (01:21:44):
Their only one was against the Urban Meyer Jaguars interim
coach situation. Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:21:51):
Colin has an apology for Evan mayu Is King on Twitter.
Here Is that a big account? Mayus King?

Speaker 3 (01:21:58):
Oh yeah, I know who.

Speaker 2 (01:22:00):
I want to personally thank Evan for speaking the truth
about bow Knicks and the Broncos last week. I'm sorry
for unleashing the Broncos fanhounds on him by posting the
clip on Twitter, but it needed to be heard for
an actual question. I want to ask if you guys
feel the same about the Texans. I don't think CJ.
Stroud is good, but they have an even scarier defense

(01:22:21):
and at least they have a road game experience. Paul
would disagree. You thinks c J. Stroud is good.

Speaker 1 (01:22:27):
I think he's good, And I said he's not a lead.
So that's exactly the opposite one here. What I would
say that, you know, I also think more of bow
Knicks than Evan does.

Speaker 3 (01:22:39):
How you could take more of bo Nicks than me.

Speaker 4 (01:22:41):
I love the guy, but you're gonna get clipped again.

Speaker 1 (01:22:46):
Their offenses are not scary in both cases, the Texans
and the Broncos. The reason why their defense is, you know,
like that's how they play. They they play rock fights.
So to Evan's point, I like Jerry Drake May's chances
in a rock fight because he doesn't have to do
something he's never done, is like light it up.

Speaker 2 (01:23:05):
Bonnix seems like he's got some stones.

Speaker 1 (01:23:07):
He does. Yeah, I think he went thirty two for
thirty eight the other day. But you know they didn't
score all that lot. He only scored seventeen points.

Speaker 3 (01:23:16):
I said, that was the one time I was like,
I'm really spaceything. Yeah, it was one time. I'll give him.
They played great. They played well in that game.

Speaker 2 (01:23:26):
Paul in the colony rights in do you think this
is a bad spot for the Bills. We're coming off
the bye, they're playing for the eighth straight week, including
their third game out of four on the road.

Speaker 4 (01:23:37):
No, I don't think it's the best spot for them.

Speaker 1 (01:23:39):
It's a better spot for the Patriots. Yeah, I would
say they're they're a lot healthier, and they arrested coming
off a bye, and like Evan said just two seconds ago,
like they've had big games, they've you know, they've had
to crank it up. So yeah, it's a fast for
the Patriots.

Speaker 3 (01:23:54):
Their road home road thing is real, and that's one
of the few you know, we're talking about homefield of hand.
Just I do really think that that playing there is
a home field advantage in Buffalo because that fan base
is just absolutely insane, and I think that that I
for whatever reason, and they're scoring like thirty four game
at home, so I I, you know, I think that

(01:24:14):
that's a big part of it. The other thing I
wanted to say about the email about the Drake made
the Broncos thing, the Patriots being like relevant again in
the NFL ether has put this on my map more
than maybe before. The amount of bitching that goes on
on social media between fan bases and ours included like

(01:24:35):
I'm not we're not crid of this, okay.

Speaker 2 (01:24:37):
And I imagine your timeline.

Speaker 3 (01:24:39):
It is like you say this every Monday, friend, I
say this with all the love in my heart. Please
go touch grass, like, go do something else. Evan, tell
me the amount of just like back and forth. No,
my team's the best. No, my team's the best. No,
your quarterback stings. No, your like Jesus Christ. People, that's fair.

Speaker 1 (01:25:00):
You're hearing it right now. I made the mistake of
happened to think a little bit more than most of C. J. Stroud.
There's been about five different guys that commented on it.
But that's the beauty, because.

Speaker 2 (01:25:14):
That's the beauty of football. You know, one game a week.
So during the week, the fans take over and it's
back and forth, back and forth, and then your team
either goes and proves you right or wrong.

Speaker 6 (01:25:22):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:25:23):
But this is we're talking about, like the the amount
of volume of tweets that come through that are just
rage baiting the other another team or an And you know,
I said on on Sunday that the Bills survived against
the Bengals because they had needed a fourth quarter comeback
by double digits to survive. And I'm still getting attacked

(01:25:45):
by Bill's mafia and everybody here thinks that I am
a Bills fan. I'm the one that's like getting and
then the Broncos fans of the week before. It's like
calm down.

Speaker 1 (01:25:56):
Of so many of these fan bases.

Speaker 2 (01:25:58):
Well, they confused it with Barth because Barth thinks Josh
Allen stinks. I'm not.

Speaker 3 (01:26:03):
And I'm also not trying to act like Patriots fans
are perfect because they're not nervous.

Speaker 2 (01:26:07):
I think the windows closed. They think Josh Allen's great,
but the windows closed.

Speaker 1 (01:26:11):
So when this game, when the Patriots win the division
this week, I don't want to hear you crowing. Why
not because they didn't beat anybody of any value.

Speaker 2 (01:26:18):
No, you think that's how we gets you. We forced
them to stink.

Speaker 1 (01:26:22):
We're not supposed to tell him that Mike.

Speaker 2 (01:26:25):
Thought about Darius and Louisville. This is a PSA to
all callers. Please know what you're going to say before
you call. Like, come on, guys, Fred makes you wait
thirty forty five minutes at least, that's plenty of time
to get your words together and come up with a question. Anyway,
I think Josh Allen will try to put on a
Superman cape take over the game. Hopefully we have a

(01:26:47):
legit plan to stop him without Milton Williams.

Speaker 4 (01:26:50):
Yeah, I agree with that.

Speaker 5 (01:26:51):
I mean those, like I said, those plays where he
just takes it into his own hands and does He's
hard to get down.

Speaker 4 (01:26:56):
He's a big dude. He's not afraid the lower shoulder
and barrel over. Yet that's such a big part of
the game.

Speaker 5 (01:27:01):
I feel like figuring out how not to get burned
by him on third down where he just.

Speaker 3 (01:27:06):
I'm cautiously optimistic that they will have a good plan
against him because when you watch their offense, it's very predictable.
They ran like the same five plays over and over again,
and I just when you have this much time to
prepare for an opponent, you have a really good coaching
staff with Vrabel and Josh McDaniels. I just have a

(01:27:26):
lot of faith in them saying we're not going to
get run on forty five times like Pittsburgh did. And
when it's third down, we know they're going to run Mesh,
So we're just gonna have something ready for that, and
we're gonna have a spy on Allen because him extending
to play on third down deuce is really what separates him.
You know that a Cleo Sekurit touchdown last week was
just ridiculous. So like those types of plays you can't

(01:27:49):
have happened. But you know, like they they run the
you know, they ran that tight end pop pass like
four or five times against the Bengals for chunk chunk,
chunk chunk, and it's like the guard is its clearly
not pulling up field and the Bengals linebackers are just
flying downhill like it's a run play. I just I
think there's a couple of ten in sies and things.

(01:28:10):
I really like the Patriots corners against the Bills receivers.
I think there's a chance that the Patriots cornerback trio
could actually really limit this bangalo, this Bills receiving group.
I mean, like I don't really know. I think you
can even get creative in some ways about how you
defend them, because like it's gonna be like Keon Coleman
or Shievers or Gabe Davis, Like you're gonna need to

(01:28:32):
put Gonzo on one of those guys, right, Like you know,
maybe you put Carlon Davis finally covers a tight end,
maybe like does he get kincaid in this game on
third down. You know, Shakira's the guy in the slot,
but like it just it feels like an offense that
is basically just like James Cook or Josh Allen doing
something unbelievable.

Speaker 1 (01:28:52):
Yeah, yeah, you know, the tight ends. Like you said,
that's it.

Speaker 2 (01:28:56):
Let's get to the phones. Eight five to five pats
five hundred. Mychael is in Vermont. What's up, Michael?

Speaker 10 (01:29:03):
Well? Two questions. One, the coach were able to watch
the game Sunday to take notes?

Speaker 2 (01:29:09):
He said, he watched a little bit, yeah.

Speaker 10 (01:29:12):
And two will they go back and watch the game
from this past summer to take notes and see what
they need to work on?

Speaker 1 (01:29:20):
I hope.

Speaker 3 (01:29:21):
So you mean the week five game? Yes, yeah, yeah,
sure he.

Speaker 2 (01:29:26):
Said that too. He said, you know, things do change
between now and then, but you know he'll look at
what they were doing and what kind of matchups they
were looking for, and you know, also acknowledging that things
are going to be different. You know, they'll put twists
on what they did.

Speaker 3 (01:29:42):
Sure. Yeah, I think the biggest thing, you know, from
an offense standpoint, Patriots offense for some reason that no
one's really been able to explain, the Bills just started
blitzing like crazy in the second half and week five,
and Drake may just tore him apart. So I don't know,
if if I had a guess, I think they go
the total opposite direct and it's a lot of like
seven and eight man coverages and try to make him

(01:30:04):
sit there and read it out and that sort of thing.
They started heating him up in the game in Week
five and he just torched them.

Speaker 1 (01:30:09):
I think that they will start that way and then
if the Patriots have success offensively, that's what they can
expect to see later in the game. That's the Bills
pattern is when we get desperate, we're just gonna come
after you. Yeah, And then they got to hope that
Drake isn't perfect like he was in that second half.

Speaker 2 (01:30:24):
Right, Francisco, the Great Francisco is in North Carolina. What's up, Francisco?

Speaker 16 (01:30:31):
Hey, what's going on?

Speaker 2 (01:30:32):
Guys? Hey?

Speaker 15 (01:30:34):
So, I mean it's been a little bit, you know
where just can't be pretty busy and everyone, you know,
everyone seems like they're email and calling in nervous. I'm
excited for this league. I mean, we're finally I think
this is it's not necessarily the first time we're gonna be.

Speaker 2 (01:30:48):
Able to see it.

Speaker 15 (01:30:48):
But this is this is like a meaningful, meaningful game.

Speaker 16 (01:30:52):
This is gonna be their first opportunity to go and
place the division early, you know, and it's gonna be
the first like to show if they can do it
and or if they could just do it their first.

Speaker 15 (01:31:01):
Time being able to sure and then you know, second off,
I want.

Speaker 16 (01:31:06):
To just go ahead and say, you know, last.

Speaker 15 (01:31:07):
Time we talked, I was talking about how, you know,
like me seeing the Chiefs you know, fall, and it's.

Speaker 16 (01:31:13):
Not because I'm scared of them or nothing. I'm having
a great time in life right now.

Speaker 15 (01:31:16):
Just seeing them lose, I.

Speaker 3 (01:31:18):
Just sure I might not let Yeah, seeing who the
Bills lose the Chiefs. Oh yeah, I mean I'm really
enjoying because last couple of weeks we've been able to
watch some football Sundays and stuff they hate watching is
just that fun.

Speaker 1 (01:31:34):
Day they fell so far I didn't even watch because
they're just so boring.

Speaker 6 (01:31:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:31:38):
By the way, a week from this Sunday we'll be
able to watch a little Sunday football too, because the
Patriots have been flexed into a primetime game from one o'clock.
So the Ravens game will now be Sunday Night Football.
Correct last year were being flexed out of uh primetime games.

Speaker 5 (01:31:53):
I get a kick out of the Eagles losing to
you and their fan base.

Speaker 4 (01:31:57):
It turns on them so hard, like it's getting up.

Speaker 1 (01:32:00):
Nobody hates I heard that that locker room must be
you were talking about that the radio they have the rabbit,
the positivity rabbit.

Speaker 3 (01:32:07):
That was not a that was real.

Speaker 1 (01:32:10):
You know. It's like they were talking about like the
fan bases. Well, that's all fan bases know. The Eagles.
Fans hate their team.

Speaker 2 (01:32:16):
Yeah, they make it a streets fans hate everybody else. Yeah,
they're there. It's almost comical now, a caricature.

Speaker 3 (01:32:24):
It's so weird because they that Like that game last
night was weird, Like they ran the ball for once,
which they haven't really been able to do.

Speaker 1 (01:32:31):
I thought when Barkley broke that touchdown the game was.

Speaker 3 (01:32:34):
They they they pressured Herbert like crazy. It was under pressure,
like over sixty percent. Yeah, and that's like their formula
and they still lost the game.

Speaker 2 (01:32:42):
Beginning of the game, it was kind of reading and
like kind of listening and every time it was like
how many turnovers did they have in the first half
both teams.

Speaker 1 (01:32:49):
There's three three each in the first half.

Speaker 4 (01:32:51):
Yeah, the doubles.

Speaker 1 (01:32:54):
There was there was three on one play a fumble
another was crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:32:59):
There was five total fumbles in an indoor game. Like
it's not like there was rain or snow or they
fumbled the ball five times in a don't.

Speaker 1 (01:33:08):
And that Eagles guy he flirted with it that the return.
Yeah Covey there, yeah, oh yeah, yeah he had he
had one flat fumble and then he bobbled one as
he was running. You got face masks on that play. Yeah,
But more officiating at its highest level.

Speaker 3 (01:33:21):
The hate watching is is a lot of fun. Yeah,
And I was watching Bill's Bengals and you're just chilling
him for the Bengals and like it. And then you're
watching you know, Raiders Broncos, and I just obviously that
was easy for me to hate watch that one. And
then yeah, the Raiders the Chiefs at night and it
was just like all of it is just love it,
great good stuff. Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:33:42):
Nick is writing in I got to help him. We
all have to help out Nick. He's going to the
game on Sunday, He's driving up from Ohio. First of all,
need a place to take the wife for crab cakes
in Foxborough. Crabcakes is a Maryland thing. You know, you
watch if you want good fish, Okay, but don't go
looking for crab cakes. You're not going to find them

(01:34:02):
in Foxborough.

Speaker 5 (01:34:03):
Now, probably get those illegal seafood though, if you want
to find illegal.

Speaker 2 (01:34:07):
I don't even know if they serve crab cakes. Honestly,
I really don't think so. But if you're looking, particularly
in Foxborough for fish, I mean, Davio's is a steak place,
but they have good high you know, really good fish dishes,
skip jobs stuff No longer that's closed up. So if
you're looking for that, go to Davio's and Patriot Place,

(01:34:29):
you know. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:34:30):
So there's a legal seafood in Tetum so.

Speaker 2 (01:34:32):
Yeah, yeah, that's not too far.

Speaker 1 (01:34:34):
You go there.

Speaker 2 (01:34:35):
Legal seafood is really good.

Speaker 3 (01:34:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:34:37):
If you like clam chowder, they've got excellent clam chowder. Yeah. Second,
do you like that wildcut cat stuff we saw last game?

Speaker 1 (01:34:47):
The trickery.

Speaker 2 (01:34:47):
I love that we're known for being a team who
was great at fundamentals, but I would like to see
the trick plays open up as we need them to.
Prediction Harold Landry two sacks Patriots thirty two, twenty eight
not a practice.

Speaker 3 (01:35:00):
Oh you want me to comment on the wildcat.

Speaker 1 (01:35:02):
I figured that would be an opportunity. Evan didn't care
for that.

Speaker 3 (01:35:06):
I don't care for any of it. Why do you
think they just trying something different. They tried to unbalanced
line too worked once, didn't work the other time. They
flipped Vederian Lowe played tight end next to Morgan Moses,
and they put Austin Hooper at left tackle on balance line.
Move it over. They're trying to find something that they
can run the ball in short yardage. That that's obvious.

(01:35:27):
I just the reason why I don't personally like the
wildcat is because I think every single time the ball
is out of ten's hands, it's bad. Like anytime Drake
may is not involved in the play offensively, that is
a bad play to the offense.

Speaker 2 (01:35:39):
That used to be the whole thing with Brady. Why
would you do that?

Speaker 3 (01:35:42):
I get it like every once in a while, but
like what the pressure that he puts on the defense,
even if he's just standing there and handing the ball off,
is still more than directly snapping the football to the
running back.

Speaker 2 (01:35:53):
So just Brendan and Edmonton Evan telling people to touch
grass is hilarious considered, he's no remotelawn in his life exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:36:02):
That's how bad it's fine in the streets, the Twitter,
the social media streets. The Broncos fans versus the Patriots
fans versus the Bills fans is it's literally like the
scene and uh An Anchorman where they all like do
the you get the fight and Brick stabs the guy
with the trident. That is what is happening. But with
all these fans and we're all arriving and we're like

(01:36:23):
the news teams here and then we're fighting each other,
but we're fighting each other on keyboards like it just.

Speaker 4 (01:36:29):
Like none of that exists for social media.

Speaker 5 (01:36:31):
Like when you guys are covering this team in the nineties,
like how did you interact with other teams fans.

Speaker 4 (01:36:36):
Although they had went to the game and.

Speaker 5 (01:36:37):
Got yelled at them, they had forums, so through the media,
somebody said something to the press like, but you weren't
going at other fans directly unless you were physically at
a game.

Speaker 3 (01:36:47):
And those three fan bases Bills, Patriots, Broncos. Right now,
you got to be careful out there, like you say
anything that's even remotely negative about the Bills or the
Broncos right now, typical Patriots fan everybody.

Speaker 1 (01:37:02):
Else but days not even just negative about a team
if you say something positive about a different team.

Speaker 3 (01:37:08):
Than the Patriots. Looked out below.

Speaker 2 (01:37:10):
After Jordan calls himself the most boring Patriots fan in
the world.

Speaker 4 (01:37:15):
I think it's gonna say, I've listened.

Speaker 2 (01:37:17):
To the show for a few years and I'm the
biggest fan, although I think over this season, Mike has
assumed the role of the Debbie Downer snarky character in
place of Paul, who has been overly positive this season
and able to recognize the team is heading in a
positive direction. I don't know what happened to the happy, jolly,
Hollywood Mike we've all come to know and love. Maybe

(01:37:39):
he's spending too much time with Paul on the postgame
show and Paul snark has rubbed off on him. Either way,
this podcast is the only is only big enough for
one Debbie Downer. Uh, time for an old timey Western showdown,
Time for your punctuation. Jordan is absolutely terrible. Okay. I
don't know if you're doing that on purpose or but

(01:38:00):
it's horrible. The fact that I got through the email
the way I did is a credit to me.

Speaker 3 (01:38:06):
Fred's a very good copy editor, so it's a credit.

Speaker 1 (01:38:10):
To me as Fred. I would just like to say,
Mike is what Fred is talking about at the top
of the show. Mike is a Patriot fan that Fred
is talking about. You're always a little bit, very little worried. Yeah,
worry that it's not going to be this good. It's
not always going to be this good. That's kind of
why you didn't like the twelve and four pages, right,

(01:38:31):
because you were always waiting for it to end at
some point in the recesses of your mind.

Speaker 5 (01:38:35):
It was different then I but hey, I I think
I opened the show was saying how excited I was
for this game and that it's amazing that they.

Speaker 2 (01:38:42):
Have ant and you went into the show by saying
if they lose, you're going to jump off a cliff.

Speaker 3 (01:38:47):
I just wanted to make sure your pants are still on.
I was looking to lose.

Speaker 5 (01:38:50):
Josh Ana will be the MVP and the Patriots will
make the playoffs, and I'm gonna go cry into my
big pillow at home.

Speaker 1 (01:38:54):
And I do get like my reputation being a Debbie Downer.
I understand why people say that and think that, but
I don't feel like I've been overly positive this year.
I'm telling you what is happening. Yeah, And the last
couple of years I've been taken as Debbie Downer, but
I was also telling you what was happening. So when

(01:39:16):
they're going out there and you're telling me about all
these one score losses the last three years, I'm not
here for that. Like I'm not trying to put lipstick
on it because it wasn't there. And this year they
have a bunch of one score wins and I'm not
telling you this is a fluke. When you're eleven and two,
I don't need the yeah butt like tell you everything,

(01:39:39):
just trying to tell you what I think is happening.

Speaker 5 (01:39:41):
I think the interesting thing to me, Paul, having worked
with you for a little while now, is that is
that you you see the vibes are high with this team,
and that's not usually your thing, And you're more than
willing to acknowledge that there's something good in the locker
right now. And I'm not saying it's completely unique to
the Patriots. Other teams have good vibes too, But that's
just something that I think is is not always. You know,

(01:40:01):
we make fun of it. We talk about Santa Claus
and building a team, and I like making.

Speaker 1 (01:40:04):
Fun of it. If Mac Jones was still the quarterback
and they weren't doing anything offensively.

Speaker 4 (01:40:10):
But everybody likes each other.

Speaker 1 (01:40:11):
You know, if Jacoby Brissett was the quarterback and everybody
loved each other, I wouldn't be talented talking to you
about the vibes. But when you have a quarterback who's
leading the way, playing at an exceptionally high level, and
then you have great vibes, that's when you become dangerous.
I would say the opposite's going on right now in Baltimore.
You have an MVP caliber quarterback who's not healthy, and

(01:40:33):
the team appears to me to be kind of disinterested
when you watch them play, like those are bad vibes
and you can see it. That's how a really talented
team is six and seven.

Speaker 2 (01:40:46):
Travis and West Virginia has a little James Cook fun fact.
A Bill Week fun fact from your funniest emailer. James
Cook's full name is James Dalvin Cook and his brother's
name is Dalvin James Cook.

Speaker 1 (01:41:00):
I think I knew that and tj Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:41:02):
I think James Cook's better than Dalvin Cooking and Dalvin
Cook and it was good. He's good for a while
for a while in Minnesota. But I think James Cook.

Speaker 4 (01:41:09):
Is running poor.

Speaker 1 (01:41:10):
Delvin Cook's career ended when he went to the Jets.

Speaker 3 (01:41:12):
Yeah, James Cook's good player.

Speaker 4 (01:41:14):
I remember being concerned about that, not afraid, but concerned.

Speaker 1 (01:41:17):
And I'm like, you were definitely afraid of their run game.

Speaker 3 (01:41:20):
That's how that that's going to be the Bills down
the stretch. There can be under center. They're to run
the play action, move the pocket, third down, Let Josh
Allen be Josh all Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:41:30):
Fourth down if necessary, that's it.

Speaker 2 (01:41:34):
Jacking and Abba. More than once, Evan is opined that
only Boston has really good fish restaurants.

Speaker 3 (01:41:40):
I didn't say that.

Speaker 2 (01:41:42):
You didn't.

Speaker 4 (01:41:43):
No, it doesn't seem like you.

Speaker 2 (01:41:44):
Notwithstanding that Evan is a fish snob, I can see
that Boston has superb seafood. Nevertheless, there are good fish
restaurants in other parts of the country, including Michigan. Michigan
has fresh caught steelhead, trout and walleye, which are served
in local restaurants within one day of being caught.

Speaker 3 (01:42:01):
Yeah, if you're landlocked.

Speaker 4 (01:42:04):
No seafood.

Speaker 2 (01:42:06):
Yeah, I mean, trout is good if it's made right.
But that's a tricky fish to eat, you know. It's
it's really bony and everything.

Speaker 1 (01:42:13):
A Great Lakes fact Michigan.

Speaker 3 (01:42:16):
That yeah, I know you don't connect to an ocean.

Speaker 2 (01:42:19):
Yeah, technically they are land They're pretty big.

Speaker 14 (01:42:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:42:22):
No.

Speaker 3 (01:42:23):
I actually every year when we go down to Mobile, Alabama,
we go to the Senior Bowl. Great fish down there,
all the cold stuff, right, Yeah, I love the stuff
down there.

Speaker 5 (01:42:33):
I'm weird because like I like fish and chips in
a restaurant, but I will not eat fish at home.

Speaker 4 (01:42:37):
Like we'll like cook salmon at home, and I'm.

Speaker 5 (01:42:39):
Like really like, I'll go to a restaurant and I'll
have some salmon.

Speaker 2 (01:42:43):
I'll have that's your favorite? No fish, yeah, oh, I
guess fish fish. My favorite is sword fish.

Speaker 4 (01:42:52):
Cooking yourself, like I don't I don't like cooking myself.

Speaker 2 (01:42:55):
Go to this because I have the seafood market right
down the street. You get the big filet that are
like together, you cut them in half, butter big filets.
You put them on the grill. Frustace caught my meal
maybe once in my life.

Speaker 1 (01:43:12):
I figured that you've done that all I'm shucking.

Speaker 3 (01:43:16):
You never shocked shuckings hoot an oyster guy. It's fun.
I see that. That's more of my like oysters, shrimp, scallops,
that type of shell muscles.

Speaker 2 (01:43:25):
Yeah, yeah, I love shellfish too.

Speaker 3 (01:43:27):
Yeah, like you an impost or something myself shucking them off. Yeah,
you never shocked before.

Speaker 2 (01:43:34):
They're shocked.

Speaker 5 (01:43:36):
My mom and Dawn shucked during Thanksgiving and they're always like,
you're gonna have some oysters, right, and I'm like, no,
I'm good, and they seem so excited that there's more oysters.

Speaker 2 (01:43:43):
Oyster shucking is you got to sneak up on them really, yeah,
so you know you.

Speaker 3 (01:43:50):
Don't want to.

Speaker 2 (01:43:52):
Charge, they'll tighten up, so you got to kind of
be a little bit. It's kind of like under and
then get that knife.

Speaker 1 (01:44:00):
And this cigar category for you know guys, like I
watch guys golfing all the time and they all have
the cigars going like there just looks like such a
great that's a great vibe. And I don't do clam bake. No,
that to me is right there too, like that seems awesome.
I just don't really like seafood that seems like an
awesome time, like a clam bake.

Speaker 3 (01:44:21):
So good.

Speaker 4 (01:44:22):
I'm with you.

Speaker 5 (01:44:22):
I love the smell of cigars, Like my dad would
always smoke a star when we go to high school
football agains when I was a kid. So the smell
of cigars smoked to me is like football.

Speaker 1 (01:44:29):
But I can't smoke cigars like they just can't.

Speaker 2 (01:44:32):
I don't know how I like them, but I haven't.
I've kind of dropped off smoking them. Yeah, I used
to have like a humidor and all that, and of
course you did, Yeah, but I I the taste afterwards
in your mouth.

Speaker 4 (01:44:48):
It tastes like it smells to me, like I just
love like honestly.

Speaker 5 (01:44:51):
Like one of my favorite things is when I'm making
the trudge from out and Spooky World in for a
game and there's tailgating going on, and I just get
a whiff of grill and cigar smoke and that, and
I'm like tailgate like.

Speaker 3 (01:45:03):
I got an You guys, you want the Patriots clinching
scenarios this weekend? Oh yes, sure, okay, this is a
playoff spot yep or division win. That's the only way
they can clinch the division. Beat the Bills, you clinch
the division. They can clinch a playoff. Berth six different ways.
I don't care, six different ways different, so uh, they can. Actually,

(01:45:28):
it's probably the easiest way to clean clinch is to
win or tie. If they tie, and uh, the Chargers lose,
or the Texans lose, or the Colts lose, or the
Jaguars lose and the Patriots tie the Bills, they would
also clinch a playoff birth, not the division, but a birth.

Speaker 4 (01:45:46):
Are all those games still going on in the one pan?

Speaker 2 (01:45:48):
Are there any scenarios where they can lose and clinch?
He said tie.

Speaker 3 (01:45:55):
I believe Houston loss or tie plus Indie loss or tie,
as long as both games don't end in a tie.

Speaker 2 (01:46:03):
That's why I don't care. Popsicle Head, you asked the question, Well,
but I agree with Fred.

Speaker 5 (01:46:08):
Now, are all those games in the one PM hours?
That's a good question we get in the postgame show
chance that we you know, I don't know the answer
to that question.

Speaker 1 (01:46:16):
We were so negative loss. The post game show is
going to be a hat and T shirt show. Fred's
going to bring them back, comes down to joint.

Speaker 2 (01:46:24):
That's a good idea.

Speaker 4 (01:46:24):
If I can do it, I will rape, He'll do
it for us.

Speaker 1 (01:46:27):
I'm not gonna see this is gonna be another one
of those examples he's asking for.

Speaker 3 (01:46:33):
That's a great idea, I remember, you know, for when
you're winning seventeen of these in a nineteen year span,
buy the a f C East stuff like.

Speaker 1 (01:46:46):
Fred and I have worked with for many, many years,
Carol Hardy, she buys everyone. Yeah, but now now it's
different every step of the way.

Speaker 3 (01:46:54):
Now it's I didn't even buy the AFC Championship stuff,
so so here I thought it was a jan This
this goes back to.

Speaker 2 (01:46:59):
One when they won the AFC Championship and you know,
it'd been a while and our pro shop was just
not ready, you know, like they just couldn't take the orders.
And I said, you know, I've got people calling and
they want this stuff, Like why can't we get it
to them? We don't have enough computers. I said, let's

(01:47:20):
rent computers. So literally we went and rented computers, put
the software on it, got part time people to sit
at the computers and take the orders.

Speaker 5 (01:47:29):
Those are super Bowl swag, Like after they won, there
was an AFC Championship chap.

Speaker 2 (01:47:32):
So my point is super Bowl wasn't even consider like
people were so just happy to get the AC championship.
Like that gear flew. They flew. Now you know, fast
forward to like seven, you know it wouldn't because oh,
we've got our site set on the super Bowl. I'm
saving my money until that stuff comes out. But back

(01:47:54):
in one, that AFC championship gear was hot.

Speaker 3 (01:47:57):
Oh well, it was really cool as leather, like a
leather brim one, you know, one, and it was like
it was like white and red, a FC red, and
then the brim was like leather, and the like front
of the hat was leather too, like, so it was
like kind of like a like a two toned hat.

Speaker 2 (01:48:14):
I don't remember that. That's incorrect. I remember the Super Bowl,
that's correct, you, Evan. I have the hat a FC championship.

Speaker 3 (01:48:20):
Two thousand and one, a FC title game, Yeah, championship hat.

Speaker 1 (01:48:23):
I don't have it, so I don't have it. I
don't think I remember the blue hat for the Super Bowl.

Speaker 2 (01:48:29):
I had look that up.

Speaker 3 (01:48:31):
I don't know if it's pleather.

Speaker 2 (01:48:33):
I don't know the let was in the equation.

Speaker 4 (01:48:37):
I thought it was your white pony.

Speaker 2 (01:48:40):
Yeah, I thought it was the white hat.

Speaker 3 (01:48:42):
Yeah. I just said white white bass hat read obviously
for the a FC title game. And then the brim
and the brim of the hat is different material might
have been right.

Speaker 2 (01:48:50):
Maybe maybe the brim yeah, okay maybe yes, you two
kids could. Yeah, it's been a while.

Speaker 4 (01:48:56):
It was like seven year old Evan over there, hundred
like I had a pick career.

Speaker 3 (01:49:02):
I got a little Super Bowl thirty six pin on
my Super Bowl thirty six champions hat. And it was
a little thirty six pin that I got at the
game itself.

Speaker 4 (01:49:12):
Some people, I never bought any of this championships.

Speaker 5 (01:49:14):
So the onlies champion thing I ever went out and
got was a Bruins Stanley Cup Remember those Stanley Cup hats.

Speaker 4 (01:49:19):
I had to get that.

Speaker 1 (01:49:21):
A white hat, yes, yeah, yeah, that was it.

Speaker 5 (01:49:23):
So that front was leathery, leathery, leathery that like leather
with Jason's Okay, leathery like that on TV.

Speaker 2 (01:49:32):
Yeah, some of the hats that they came out with
really were terrible.

Speaker 3 (01:49:36):
That hat was nice, but when I thought it was
nicer than the Super Bowl hat, honestly, I agree, I.

Speaker 1 (01:49:40):
Think you may have gotten I agreed, huh, I think
we may have gotten those. I don't remember.

Speaker 4 (01:49:44):
I'll bring them in, but.

Speaker 2 (01:49:46):
We rented computers and put part time people in front
of them just to keep up with the orders.

Speaker 5 (01:49:50):
I want Fred walk in, a bunch of hats on
his hand, doughnut in the other hand, plops down there.

Speaker 2 (01:49:58):
Let's go, chance.

Speaker 3 (01:50:01):
I wanted. This is the first time, maybe since so one,
that I actually care about. I kind of want it.
I want the hat. I want to win. I want
to shake it up.

Speaker 1 (01:50:13):
The gogles. You go over on your side, side chest
bomb over here.

Speaker 4 (01:50:20):
What's going on?

Speaker 1 (01:50:20):
Let's go.

Speaker 2 (01:50:21):
I'm sorry, he's getting himself all worked up.

Speaker 1 (01:50:27):
I'm ready.

Speaker 5 (01:50:27):
I'm ready, baby, I'm gonna be all hopped up on
diet Cokes and Mountain de Let's go back.

Speaker 2 (01:50:33):
To the phones. Eight five five pets, five hundred Boston Cream.

Speaker 1 (01:50:37):
What's up.

Speaker 10 (01:50:39):
All the fans out there that don't believe in the Patriots?

Speaker 15 (01:50:42):
Your record is yo, you are who your record.

Speaker 6 (01:50:45):
Says you are.

Speaker 7 (01:50:45):
Wow, I butchered that.

Speaker 10 (01:50:49):
Uh. And then just one thing, Christian in l A.

Speaker 15 (01:50:52):
If you got all the money that you say you do,
let's take out a billboard near Highmark Stadium.

Speaker 7 (01:50:59):
After we get our hats and T shirts, and let's
rub it in their face.

Speaker 1 (01:51:03):
I like it.

Speaker 2 (01:51:04):
Yeah, I don't know. I want to wait until afterwards,
but yeah, okay, thanks.

Speaker 1 (01:51:10):
I mean after you actually win the division.

Speaker 2 (01:51:12):
No, until we actually win the super Bowl.

Speaker 3 (01:51:14):
But they do it just for winning the division.

Speaker 1 (01:51:17):
I know, because they on super Bowls.

Speaker 3 (01:51:19):
They don't know anything about winning again.

Speaker 2 (01:51:21):
We might still have to play them in the playoffs,
so let's run. Yeah, let's wait until we beat them
in the playoffs.

Speaker 1 (01:51:27):
But then you know, they see we'll think it from
the fear thing that he's telling everybody not to do,
like I don't want to do that. They might beat
it from the playoffs.

Speaker 4 (01:51:38):
That wasn't for that billboard.

Speaker 2 (01:51:41):
I don't want to give the bulletin board material literally, right, Uh,
Sean's and Vancouver, what's up, Sean?

Speaker 17 (01:51:49):
I agree with Francisco about Kansas City, and I'm sticking
with my check. I feel even stronger than what I
said last month that the Chiefs could miss the playoffs,
and I think Houston Paul is going to win that division,
so we'll be good there. And in terms of the billboard,
I'd love it when the Patriots win their next Super
Bowl if we could put up a billboard near Hammark

(01:52:09):
Stadium or whatever. Then you want will be called the
super Bowl ring and it says this is what.

Speaker 7 (01:52:14):
It looks like.

Speaker 17 (01:52:15):
We got five more, and.

Speaker 2 (01:52:17):
Yeah, something like that, we have six more. Okay. I
like the one that someone suggested last week. I think
is the billboard should say we'll take it from that.
I thought somebody else made that.

Speaker 3 (01:52:27):
I thought that's good too.

Speaker 2 (01:52:29):
Yeah, we'll take it from here.

Speaker 1 (01:52:30):
Is this the.

Speaker 3 (01:52:31):
Biggest Patriots home game since? If we're being nice, I
think that.

Speaker 2 (01:52:36):
I think Brady Tampa Bay when he came back.

Speaker 4 (01:52:39):
Okay, that's pretty good.

Speaker 3 (01:52:40):
But that's a good one.

Speaker 4 (01:52:41):
But for like superficial reasons, like.

Speaker 3 (01:52:43):
Twenty twenty one, they hosted Buffalo in Week sixteen, and
they technically.

Speaker 1 (01:52:47):
It's probably the biggest game since then.

Speaker 3 (01:52:49):
We're in play to win the division. But yeah, the
Brady one, I didn't even think of that one, because
it's that's different question I thought about justin Herbert, do
you think that? I mean, I know he's really banged up.

Speaker 5 (01:53:00):
Was under durest last night, but we talked a lot
about Drake having opportunity this year without maybe Lamar or
Joe Burrow, et cetera. Mahomes, do you think maybe this
is Herbert's time to shine or are they two banged up?

Speaker 1 (01:53:11):
I just don't think that they look like a very
good team.

Speaker 3 (01:53:15):
Their defense played really well, and their defense has played
pretty well, and.

Speaker 1 (01:53:20):
I mean they have talent. I think that's a I
think that's a formidable team if they're relatively healthy. But
I'm sorry, you can't survive with one hand and getting
comedy sixty one sixty something sixty's right. That game was scary.
I mean, you they let's face it, I give them
all the credit in the world for finding a way
to win the game. The other team turned it over

(01:53:41):
five times, like let's not make any mistakes as to how.

Speaker 3 (01:53:44):
You one of them went like multiple went like right
off guys hands and to the other team.

Speaker 5 (01:53:49):
I would just feel the same way I feel right
now if I'm a Chargers fan of like, there might
be an opportunity here this year, and this is you know,
Herbert's kind of been waiting in the wings, just slightly
behind those guys. I mean, at early point in his
career was almost in flirting with that conversation.

Speaker 4 (01:54:02):
But I mean, you guys are right, it's it's.

Speaker 1 (01:54:04):
Did you see him running last night? And then as
he would be getting tackled. He'd have the ball in
his in his right hand, him his right hand and
he would go down like this, like with his like
he was deathly afraid of having that hit. He had
surgery Monday.

Speaker 3 (01:54:21):
The fumble that when he was stripsacked was because he
could only carry the ball in one hand, right, so
the guy came in and he couldn't put the other
hand on the ball, just his hand.

Speaker 1 (01:54:31):
Yeah, that was totally intentional. Yeah, I mean, you know,
I know it's gamesmanship and all that, but I also worry,
literally they would be better if they protected themselves each other, Yeah,
protected each other, the players.

Speaker 3 (01:54:42):
I do worry a little bit about Jim Harbaugh too,
very conservative, like and I understand that was the kind
of game it was last night, and maybe you know,
your defense was probably playing a little bit better than
your offense, but like, do you win in the playoffs
like that, like just.

Speaker 1 (01:54:56):
Five for five on field goals? Yeah, like it just
and he was very fortunate to win the game.

Speaker 3 (01:55:01):
And he's one of those guys like he just he
doesn't really have a very many aggressive bones in.

Speaker 1 (01:55:07):
Herbert and Harbaugh a lot of credit for still being
in it, because I would have thought about a month ago.
You know, they went to Jacksonville and looked like they
didn't even belong in the field with the Jaguars. The Jaguars,
who I think are okay, I think they're good, but
I don't certainly put the Jaguars in this conversation with
teams that you're looking to avoid. You know, the Jaguars
are good, they didn't even belong in the field with

(01:55:29):
them that day, and that's because of all the personnel
they're missing. Let's call it like it is. I mean,
I give I give them credit for keeping it together,
and they're going to make the playoffs and they'll have
a shot. That's the game last night. I think that
eliminated the Chiefs. Yeah it was the Chargers.

Speaker 4 (01:55:45):
Yeah, the division. That division is interesting to me. Just
how's it going to go down with those teams? AC Western?

Speaker 1 (01:55:50):
You just have to collapse, I think for the Chiefs
to make a.

Speaker 2 (01:55:52):
Alec in Berlin via the South Shore US Mareen, thank
you for the service anything, Matt. Ever, since I teased
Evan about misusing NFL stats to pick his games as
one possibility for your offul record, he's been a tick
better with his picks. Not fred level, of course, but
better a workshop.

Speaker 1 (01:56:13):
On quantitative Thursday.

Speaker 2 (01:56:15):
Uh oh, a workshop on quantitative methodology and methods would
still do him a world of good. Don't let yourself
proclaimed poor math skills hold you back. I look forward
to hearing either an Andy esque pissed off responsor and
Eric like Winge.

Speaker 4 (01:56:30):
Why don't you help me? Why are you helping him?

Speaker 2 (01:56:32):
Come dear Mike, stop second and third guessing yourself. Be
confident with your picks. You've chalked up your about the
picks as a third three legged chair. Turn that into
a three legged.

Speaker 4 (01:56:44):
Stool of self confidence.

Speaker 2 (01:56:46):
Yeah, Matt Morrell, thanks for the T shirt, the shirt
offer I've sent in my address here in Germany. Thanks
a lot, simplified.

Speaker 3 (01:56:53):
I feel like I probably don't. I'd go too much
with my gut on the picks and not enough with
the numbers. If we're being honest, I have too many.
I'm becoming friend, I have too many, Like you know,
teams I hate, and so I just like hate. Picking
them comes complicated. Yeah, it's too I don't think it's
the numbers at all. Honestly, I don't think I put

(01:57:14):
that much the fun schemes, hatred hatreds up there.

Speaker 2 (01:57:20):
Yeah, it flowing.

Speaker 1 (01:57:23):
Uh okay, all right, you little John.

Speaker 2 (01:57:27):
Yeah, that's it.

Speaker 9 (01:57:29):
That's it.

Speaker 1 (01:57:29):
We got three Okay, now I'm.

Speaker 2 (01:57:31):
Gonna I'm gonna call it. I'm gonna call it. So
we're back tomorrow at noon catch twenty.

Speaker 3 (01:57:37):
Two tomorrow ten two hours of college football.

Speaker 2 (01:57:41):
I'm just I wouldn't be advertising that.

Speaker 3 (01:57:43):
I'm just kidding, you kidding want people to listen. Alex
is on the opposite side of this argument, though, because
he wants the most deserving teams.

Speaker 1 (01:57:51):
Oh yeah, I would agree with that.

Speaker 3 (01:57:53):
Because you know, why play the season if we're just
gonna But.

Speaker 2 (01:57:57):
His definition of deserving is probably different than you.

Speaker 3 (01:58:00):
He's very happy that.

Speaker 1 (01:58:01):
No, I don't think James Madison belongs in right.

Speaker 6 (01:58:03):
He thinks.

Speaker 1 (01:58:05):
He's saying James Madison belongs.

Speaker 3 (01:58:07):
Yeah, they deserve.

Speaker 1 (01:58:07):
Oh they that's foolish.

Speaker 4 (01:58:10):
Summarily dismissed.

Speaker 2 (01:58:12):
All right, thanks for listening. We'll see you tomorrow.

Speaker 4 (01:58:17):
Hey, this is Alex.

Speaker 3 (01:58:18):
Thanks for tuning into the show.

Speaker 2 (01:58:19):
If you really want to help us, make sure you like.

Speaker 12 (01:58:21):
Us on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. Also,
make sure you follow us on the New England Patriots
YouTube channel to see this show and everything else.

Speaker 2 (01:58:30):
We do here at the Patriots.

Speaker 4 (01:58:31):
Thanks a lot.

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