Patriots Unfiltered 3/25: BC Pro Day Recap, NFL Draft Talk, Latest Pats and League News

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Speaker 1 (00:16):
Welcome to Patriot's Unfiltered.

Speaker 3 (00:20):
Well, you go to the Raiders at six, the Raiders
give you their second round pick, so you package then
the two sects, so you pick it that at six
you take Campbell or gent package the two second rounders.

Speaker 4 (00:28):
That to go up twenty spots.

Speaker 3 (00:31):
Maybe not quite twenty, but work with me here, Evan, I'm.

Speaker 4 (00:34):
Trying to let the fact.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
What he's saying is I have the quarterback, so you
don't have to worry.

Speaker 3 (00:41):
About I got a channel Paul here, as Paul would go,
do they I think they gotta They gotta tap that class.
They also got to to tap the front seven classes
that class, tap that class.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
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Speaker 5 (00:55):
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Speaker 6 (01:00):
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Speaker 7 (01:01):
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Speaker 2 (01:03):
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Speaker 2 (01:27):
All right, welcome the Patriots Unfiltered. It is Tuesday here
at a Lets Stadium, and we're fully into free agency.
We're getting ready for the draft. It's all. It's exciting.
Got owners meetings coming up. Those are always fun, so
lots of stuff to talk about. It's Evan, it's Paul,
it's Deuce, it's me, it's Matt and Nabooth and we'll

(01:47):
be here until two o'clock talking Patriots and whatever else
we want to talk about. Yeah, So Christian ellis back
in the fold. Reportedly they've matched the offer that the
Raiders gave them. So every lot of linebackers, I would say,
we're good with linebackers, right.

Speaker 3 (02:07):
I wouldn't think so. I mean a lot of them
are the same I just started off with.

Speaker 7 (02:11):
I would think, so, Fred sorry about that.

Speaker 2 (02:14):
I told him I am forbidding him for using I
think when he.

Speaker 3 (02:19):
Is, I'm gonna I think jar I think like I
think like I think.

Speaker 4 (02:23):
I mean, basically, I'm a big I think I too.

Speaker 3 (02:26):
I'm trying more.

Speaker 2 (02:27):
I think I think we all are.

Speaker 3 (02:29):
I'm surprised that they resigned Christianallis. I thought that they
had signed a couple of free agent linebackers and those
guys seem to fit that mold. Maybe they like him as.

Speaker 7 (02:37):
A special teams guy.

Speaker 3 (02:40):
I don't know if some people are saying he's Mike
Frabel's type of linebacker, and I don't know if I
believe that's the case. That he has him targeted to
play on defense Almos.

Speaker 5 (02:51):
I'm a little cautious about because I've heard a lot
of different guys or Mike Frable type of fill in
the blank position and just curious as to how that
sort of became a thing like this, have you not?

Speaker 2 (03:07):
And he's versatile.

Speaker 5 (03:08):
Yeah. When hearing that, a lot of people are describing
different players, even like prospective draft picks like Mike Rabel
kind of players, I feel like I need to learn
more about Mike Abel to coach.

Speaker 3 (03:20):
He's not going to play much his first four years,
then he then he'll go somewhere else and be a starter.

Speaker 4 (03:24):
Well, I think it's a it's a it's a body
type thing at linebacker. I feel like that people are
gravitating towards Just to answer your your question.

Speaker 5 (03:32):
You know, yeah, I'm talking about all positions.

Speaker 4 (03:34):
Yeah, you know, Lina worry, is.

Speaker 2 (03:36):
Drake may his type of quarterback? If the answers yes
and let's go, I'd hope so.

Speaker 3 (03:41):
I would say that Will Campbell reminds me of Tyler Lawan.

Speaker 5 (03:44):
I've heard Will Campbell described as a Mike Rabel type
of player, just as an example. I know what we
were talking about with the size, you know, like can
we've I think our buddy Mike Giardi had a story
about Jawan Bentley just sort of alluding to him having
dropped some weight being down in the two thirties. That
would sort of line up with everyone was just about

(04:04):
to say about the style of linebacker. I think Rabel
is looking for as opposed to, you know, the big
two fifty plus pound guys that Belichick grab.

Speaker 2 (04:13):
It's a losing weight. Will Campbell seems to have gained
a little weight. He said he get weighed in at
three oh six at his pro day.

Speaker 4 (04:20):
I think that was that that's not losing weight.

Speaker 5 (04:23):
Is it a confusing him with Mason Graham? Yeah, oh man, Yeah,
Mason Graham's the one who was under under three hundred at.

Speaker 4 (04:29):
The Mason Graham Cheesebergers.

Speaker 5 (04:31):
Okay, weedy, So don't worry everybody. I only took one
show off on the back and speak.

Speaker 2 (04:36):
But with Will camp so since he's had his prota,
did they measure his arms?

Speaker 4 (04:40):
Yeah, so there is a there's a lot of scuttle
butt about the arms right now, A lot of scuttle
bit about the arms.

Speaker 5 (04:46):
Because you.

Speaker 2 (04:48):
Measured the arms in half away if they came in
over thirty four.

Speaker 3 (04:52):
We know.

Speaker 4 (04:54):
So here's the deal. The arm length measurements at the
Senior Bowl and at the Shrine Bowl were for some
reason different than the arm length measurements at the combine.
So whoever measured the arm lengths at the combine, they
are bringing into question whether or not that was accurate
across the board, like not just with Will Campbell, everybody.

(05:14):
So like Ozzie Trapilo, who I saw yesterday at Boston College,
he measured it at thirty three and a half at
the Senior Bowl, then somehow lost to half an inch
in his arm length at the combine. He measured thirty
three flat at the combine.

Speaker 5 (05:27):
So who would have incentive well to do one or the.

Speaker 2 (05:31):
Other if the methodology is just no, it could.

Speaker 5 (05:34):
Be as honest as that. But who would have incentive
if there were some something, you know, unto a going
on Senior Bowl. People are pumping up their guys.

Speaker 4 (05:45):
Yeah, I mean that's possible.

Speaker 5 (05:46):
Combine doesn't care who. I mean, they're all there's three
hundred guys invited to the Combine. They don't care which ones.

Speaker 2 (05:51):
Go measurement in his pro day.

Speaker 4 (05:53):
Oh we don't know. But why the point that I
was trying to get to Paul Evan didn't do it
is that you're at that there's a lot of teams
that are going to actually measure themselves because I don't
think that there's too much inconsistency with the numbers from
the college you know, all Star games to the.

Speaker 2 (06:12):
Comby more of a headache than you obviously can't take
you like you can't take the pure valves.

Speaker 4 (06:20):
You can't take the pro day numbers like.

Speaker 5 (06:23):
Pro Day Yeah, okay, but a.

Speaker 2 (06:26):
Forty I can see because you know, if you're doing
it on a stop watch that I can see that
you know you're you're a tenth off or whatever. But
a tape measure is a tape measure should be Yeah.

Speaker 3 (06:39):
It was my understanding that there would be not the
measurements off at the Shrine Bowl as well as the s.

Speaker 5 (06:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (06:44):
So the measurements are and it's again it's not consistent
whether it's short or or long. Right, Like we're going
all over the place. Like some guys came in shorter
at the combine, some guys came in right.

Speaker 3 (06:58):
So where were they measuring from.

Speaker 4 (07:00):
At this point? And I'm being dead serious at this
point when it comes to Will Campbell, the Patriots are
going to have to host Will Campbell on a thirty
visit and measure his freaking arms.

Speaker 5 (07:10):
Can I just say one thing that I don't want
to hear. If the Patriots think Will Campbell can play
tackle regardless of his the length of his arms, they
can convince me on this and we'll I'll wait and
see and hopefully they'll be right, and I'll have no
issue with that. If the Patriots drapped Will Campbell because
they said they had him in on his pro day

(07:30):
and they actually measured his arms and they're really X,
I'm going to be sick to my stomach that they're
just trying to convince themselves that the arms are long enough. Again,
if you think that he can play with those what
is it, thirty three and thirty thirty two. If they're
convinced that that's not a deal breaker, he's good enough,

(07:53):
he can do it. I'm okay with that. I'm not
okay if they just say, well, the combine's wrong.

Speaker 4 (07:57):
Well, right, So apparently I think believe it was Greg
Bdard that reported this, said that last year in the
spring they measured his arms at thirty two and seven
eighths and then at the combine he was thirty two
and five a's. So now we have that measurements out
there that was also put out there by Jim Nagy

(08:19):
of the Senior Bowl, that he was thirty two and
seven as the combine comes in shorter at thirty two
and five. As no one knows what the right answer.

Speaker 2 (08:27):
I can just see like the first scrum that Will
Campbell's available, but Guard tiles up next to him and
he's got like a measurement and trying to get it
on his own.

Speaker 4 (08:38):
I've never all right, I've never seen anything.

Speaker 5 (08:43):
I agree with everything. I don't ever remember that.

Speaker 4 (08:45):
I've been falling the draft my my whole life, and
I have never seen anything anything like this with the
whole topic, Like when it comes to now, all of
a sudden, we're experts on wingspan, we're.

Speaker 2 (08:55):
Experts on Will Campbell, and you knew that you had
thirty three inch arms. Would you just have a public
demonstration of a measurement and just say, screw all of you.
Here it is. If you want me, take me. If
you don't, don't.

Speaker 5 (09:10):
It is funny that such a mundane thing can so
grossly impact a guy's future. We're talking like inches, millions
of dollars of inches, because going forward, if he's I mean,
even if he's a great guard, he won't make what
he could make as a great tackle, right, Like, what

(09:32):
is it three eighths of an inch or five eighths
of an inch or the difference in millions of dollars?
I mean, potentially it's.

Speaker 4 (09:37):
The difference of him being a lock in the top
five and not being a lock in Like if he
had thirty three plus inch arms, he'd be a locktime.

Speaker 5 (09:46):
But even if he ends up going in the top ten, Yeah,
that won't cost him that much in the in the
immediate short term, but down the road, if he's a
guard instead of guards make a lot of money too.
I'm not we don't need to have a bake sale
for will ca Amble. If he turns out to be
Quentin Nelson, he's going to make a lot of money
whether it's guard or tackle. But left tackles make more

(10:06):
than left guards. Yep, and eventually that will be all over,
you know, three eighths of an inch. It's it's kind
of crazy crazy.

Speaker 2 (10:16):
So when you watch the tape, Yeah, is it evident
that well this guy could use longer arms or is
it even not an issue? And if it's not an issue,
then why is it an issue? Now?

Speaker 5 (10:30):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (10:30):
And no, I think it's a I can't even get
right that's right of this because I think it's evident
if you want to look for it, right like, and
if there's things that there's one or two reps a
game where you say to yourself, did he lose that
block because his arms aren't long enough? But then there's
sixty eight other blocks in the game where he's perfectly fine.

(10:51):
So that's offensive line though, right. All it takes is
for you to get the quarterback strips sacked once and
you've had a bad game.

Speaker 2 (10:57):
So you know, I think he would be more of
an issue if this guy was like coming from some
small school but.

Speaker 5 (11:04):
Found that he planned a U he gives me.

Speaker 2 (11:08):
I agree with Fred, the competition's good. So at least
you know that he was going up against guys who were,
you know, future nflers. That should give you a little
bit of comfort.

Speaker 4 (11:19):
Absolutely. I mean there's tape against him against pretty much
every top SEC edge rusher in this class. You know,
Shamar Stewart, Kyle Canard, Nick Gorton, like all the way down.

Speaker 2 (11:30):
So if I'm Elliott and I'm Verbel, I'm going to
Maroon and Dante Scarnack and go, should we take this guy?
If they say yes, take him.

Speaker 3 (11:38):
And Doug Marone was there yesterday too.

Speaker 4 (11:39):
Yeah, Doug Maron was there yesterday, was locked in, locked
into Ozzie Trapilo's workout. It seems like he he likes him,
some azi, big kid athletic.

Speaker 2 (11:49):
I like him late later in the draft.

Speaker 5 (11:52):
Day two. Yeah, day two guy, you think he's Day two,
That's what I mean. I don't think that everybody. I'm not.
I don't not think that. I'm just going by what
people are projecting, don't I don't rank them. Bill taught
me that it.

Speaker 4 (12:04):
Might be like a he could be a top seventy
five picky.

Speaker 2 (12:08):
I don't know if I want to if I take Campbell,
I don't know if I want to take a third
round on another alignement.

Speaker 5 (12:13):
Yeah, well we should talk about the mass Live reporting
that Elliott Wolf over the weekend at an event suggested
definitively that they maybe focused a little bit too much
on position last year and they won't do that this year.
It's more best player available. But I think that that

(12:33):
is so widely misunderstood. I think you always want to
get the best player available, but there's limits to that,
and there are positions that are not conducive to being taken.
You know, you don't take the best quarterback available at four, right,
if you're the Patriots, right, you know, if he's the
best player available, obviously you have drag me a kicker.

(12:56):
So I think there is an argument to be made.
Blocky Rears that was a blend that that deuces, you know,
mock draft theory that he's been roundly you know, teased about.
I wouldn't say criticize, I would say teased. You can
make an argument Ashton genty might be the best player available.
You can make an argument that Tyler Warren might be

(13:16):
the best player available. I like the two Georgia guys
that Evan and Mike have been talking to me about
for weeks now, the two Front seven guys from Georgia.
I like the idea of continuing to fish in that
well of Georgia defensive players that almost all of them
have panned out, you know, not all of them, but
almost all of them have panned out in the NFL.
That's a good defense. And those guys seem ready to

(13:39):
play right away. So Williams and Walker. I'd be interested
in either one of those two guys.

Speaker 3 (13:46):
For sure. It's funny how the mock drafts go in waves.
I came back from the Combine and felt like no
hope for Carter or Hunter. But now I feel like
I have a little.

Speaker 5 (13:55):
Well, everybody's you know, everybody's mock draft has one of
those guys to the Patriots.

Speaker 3 (13:59):
Now, Yeah, which one would you want?

Speaker 2 (14:02):
Our lads had a mock draft that came out yesterday.
They had us taking Abdull Carter at four.

Speaker 5 (14:10):
I've seen a lot of those, Yeah, GRT today, Buddy
Mike Giardi, Boston Sports Journal had Abdua Carter.

Speaker 2 (14:17):
Oh no, no, wait, wait, made me get it wrong.
They had us taking Will Campbell at four and Abdul
Carter was available, and he was taken at five.

Speaker 4 (14:24):
That's all.

Speaker 5 (14:25):
I don't see that happening. But I don't see Abdul
Carter being available after, you know, at four either, And
I've seen a lot of people. Yeah, I don't know
how you can pass up on Carter or Hunter if
you're the Patriots, can I agree?

Speaker 2 (14:39):
Really any team if you're not picking a quarterback, right,
that's the problem.

Speaker 5 (14:43):
But the first three all could take a quarterback, and
I could understand them passing up on one of those
two guys. I wouldn't if I were them, but I couldn't.
You know, Tennessee, Cleveland and the Giants none of them
has a starting quarterback.

Speaker 4 (14:55):
The Titians are drafting camp Woard, right, Yeah, I mean
the video is that came from his pro day yesterday
of him with Calahan and there in the GM there
in Tennessee. I mean they were they're chopping it up,
I guess, but again, could smoke screen, you don't know.
I mean they they've spent all a free agency rebuilding
their offensive line and now they are chumming up with

(15:18):
him at the pro day. I just can't.

Speaker 2 (15:20):
I mean, but maybe they want the world to think
that they're taking him and then they get.

Speaker 4 (15:25):
The King's Ransom, and you know, maybe, I don't know.
When you have the number one overall pick like these
things are, usually you have control of the draft, so
there's no reason.

Speaker 2 (15:34):
I don't know. I think there's a big difference between
Caleb Williams and cam Ward.

Speaker 5 (15:38):
Oh, I agree, But that's why I wouldn't take him.

Speaker 4 (15:41):
Right, I think that the I think it's a done deal.

Speaker 5 (15:43):
Okay, I hope so I think Evan's right, but I
wouldn't take But that.

Speaker 4 (15:46):
Doesn't mean anything like that because the Patriots still needs
to door Sanders to go in the top two. Right,
So it's really you know that that's all well and good,
But cam Ward's going in the top three. That's a lock.
It's if two quarterbacks are going to go in the
top three.

Speaker 2 (15:59):
Is the question somebody was speculating. Is Jalen Milroe moving up?

Speaker 4 (16:05):
Yeah, maybe the second round, bottom.

Speaker 2 (16:08):
Of the few.

Speaker 5 (16:08):
His forty time was special, yeah, and that's a special
ability as a running quarterback. I was talking to my
brother about this, and you know, I always work things
out with Rich at a time. You know, I have
my pre show with Rich and he was like, you know,
if you had told me that Jalen Hurts would be
as good an NFL passer as he's been, Not that

(16:28):
he's a great passer in the NFL, but as good
as he has been, I would have never believed you.
So who's to say that Jalen Milroe can't develop into
at least a serviceable passer to go along with what
is obviously special ability to run.

Speaker 4 (16:41):
Right, he's a stronger arm.

Speaker 2 (16:43):
If Kyle needed a quarterback right now, who do you
think he'd have his eye on?

Speaker 4 (16:48):
Will Howard really something like that? Yeah, I mean I
don't know. Maybe he'd like Schador a little bit too.
But he's looking for somebody that's gonna press the right
button the controller. He's not looking for somebody that colors
outside the lines. Okay, you run my system, you know
this is my offense. You run my system.

Speaker 2 (17:08):
But I thought his system was very quarterback friendly.

Speaker 4 (17:11):
Yeah, because it's so easy for the quarterback to make
decisions from the pocket in the system. So you don't
necessarily need the quarterback to drive the bus. You need
the quarterback to just Jalen Milroe not screwed up. I
don't think that would be his type.

Speaker 2 (17:25):
Note.

Speaker 5 (17:25):
No, well he just got my he did take Trey Lance. No,
you're gonna blame this on that.

Speaker 4 (17:30):
No, we didn't.

Speaker 5 (17:31):
Okay, that was that was Paul throwing a grenade. Yeah, okay,
I knew that was I knew that was coming. Okay, Paul,
see that's scoffing. Look, I knew that was coming.

Speaker 3 (17:39):
Just going back to that report from Karen, I just
I wonder if they got so maniacally focused on receiver
and tackle after May that it just they were so
glad you focused on those two guys, you know, and
we all were too.

Speaker 5 (17:52):
So can I ask a question and if you guys
disagree with me, feel free we can talk about it
at fifteen minutes, and you know I'll end up in
an argument with Fred out something random. I think you
can draft for need and draft the best player at
the same time. I don't think the problem was the
positions they targeted. The problem was the player they took.

(18:15):
If they had drafted Lad McConkie, would people be saying
that's what happens when you draft for need. They needed
a wide receiver and wide receivers were in that area.
He took the wrong.

Speaker 2 (18:25):
One, right, Nobody complained about the position.

Speaker 5 (18:28):
No, But now it's we had a bad draft because
we focus too much. It's an excuse. It's an excuse
for a bad draft. They didn't draft just because of
need and get the wrong guys. They drafted the wrong guys.
There were tackles available that they could have moved up
into the bottom of the first round. They chose not
to do it. Okay, take a wide receiver, you also
need a wide receiver. You took the wrong one. This

(18:52):
isn't about need versus best player available. It's about bad evaluation.
That's not the same thing.

Speaker 2 (18:58):
It's not the same thing.

Speaker 5 (19:01):
I thought we could get an argument out of that.

Speaker 2 (19:03):
He's trying to convince us that the urgency to get
the need led to included them from looking at other
guys who correct.

Speaker 5 (19:12):
I think it's an excuse because if they had drafted
Lad McConkey, I don't think any of us would be
saying that's what happens when you draft for need. Fred
was all over Lad mcconakie a year ahead of.

Speaker 2 (19:22):
Time, years ago, years ago, child.

Speaker 5 (19:26):
Right, But I mean he was almost as high on
Slade Bolden.

Speaker 3 (19:30):
Makes me think about Will Campbell though, as Will Campbell
the need is he the best player available?

Speaker 9 (19:36):
Though?

Speaker 3 (19:37):
Yeah, like that you kind of make that same decision again,
I feel.

Speaker 5 (19:40):
And I would say, if you drafted Will Campbell, that's
a pick for need. If he works out, he works out,
but if he doesn't, it's not like you picked the
wrong tackle. He's the best tackle on the board. Right,
everybody agrees that he's the best player at that passion,
whether or not he can play tackle with the NFL.

Speaker 2 (20:00):
Right if Tyler Warren, if Mason Graham are on the board,
and you pick Campbell.

Speaker 5 (20:07):
That's a pick for need. I think so, And it
doesn't need to be wrong, right, Like I could give
you a million examples of the Patriots picking for need
and having it be a slam.

Speaker 4 (20:16):
So why is it a pick for need? Like I
think if you ask ten different people Carter and Hunter
are off the board who you're taking at for, you
get ten different answers in a draft like this. So
there's a very good case for Will Campbell being the
best player available better than Mason Graham or Tyler Warren.

Speaker 5 (20:32):
Could you could make that and I wouldn't, but you could.

Speaker 4 (20:35):
In this draft. I think that you could.

Speaker 2 (20:36):
But you need to isolate it because a lot of
times people are giving you that answer based on who's
picking fourth. You need to just say, if Hunt, if
Carter and Hunter, uh what's his name? Hunter are off
the board, who's the best player, who's the third best
player in this draft?

Speaker 4 (20:53):
Well most people would say gent okay, But like the
point is that.

Speaker 5 (20:57):
That's that's but Evan's point is you could ask ten
people that question and get eight different answers.

Speaker 2 (21:03):
I know, but it is Will Campbell one of those
eight in Yeah, probably Will Campbell's That's what I'm trying
to Mason Graham, Ted McMillan, you know, Tyler Warren, the
two Georgia guys.

Speaker 4 (21:14):
If anybody said any of those guys were the next
best player in the draft, I wouldn't necessarily argue with them.

Speaker 5 (21:19):
That's why I don't. I think when people say that's
what happens when teams draft for need, it's always a negative.
And I don't think it's a negative all the time.
I think it always comes down to evaluation. You need
to get good players, if you know, I think a
pick that you could argue was a bad pick based
on need was Cole Strange for Bill Belichick. They needed

(21:41):
a guard, and you reach for a guard in the
first round. It's a position that's not generally taken in
the first round. And it was a guy, and it
was a guy that wasn't really slated to go in
the first round.

Speaker 2 (21:52):
There's no doubt they needed it.

Speaker 5 (21:54):
But i'll give you, you know, go back several years,
go back twenty plus years. They could not stop the
in two thousand and two. It ultimately was the reason
why they couldn't go back to back. They could not
stop anybody from running the ball. They needed to get
some bulk up front. They draft Ty Warren. That is
a need pick. It's a good pick because you needed it,

(22:16):
and he was a good player. If he ended up
being a defensive lineman like Dominic Easley, Ron Brace, Ron
Brace is a better compet because he's more of a
run stuffing defensive lineman who wasn't all that good. Then
everybody's saying, well, that's what happens when you know, it's
all about evaluation regardless of the positions you take. And

(22:38):
I just feel like we get lost in.

Speaker 2 (22:40):
The Harry the position was fine.

Speaker 5 (22:45):
If they had drafted DK Metcalf or Terry McLaurin or
AJ Brown, any of those wide receivers that were far
better than him. After that, no one would have said,
that's what happens when your draft for need.

Speaker 3 (22:58):
Vega's position with this is quiquarterback. Though to me, we're
talking about cam Ward.

Speaker 7 (23:03):
Is he the best player available at one overall? And
that's a position.

Speaker 5 (23:05):
Quarterback is the exception. Right quarterback is the exception that
when you almost always when you take a quarterback, it's
a pick.

Speaker 4 (23:14):
I just feel like this is like, you know, this
gets back to you have to have a role that
you envision for a player when you take four over
a guy four overall, that he's going to be able
to blossom into a franchise cornerstone type player with a
pick that high. And if you have guys that are
already you know, talk about tight end with Tyler Warren.

(23:36):
Is Tyler Warren a better tight end than Hunter Henry?
He might be, but they have players that are veteran
players ahead of him on that depth chart that now
all of a sudden, that becomes a very crowded room.
And how do you sort those types of things out.
So I think that people misconstrue that as need but
to me, it's what's the vision of the player? How
does he fit into the football team?

Speaker 2 (23:57):
You know, how does And that was very prevalent during
the Belichick years because, let's face it, they had a
lot of really good veterans knew how to win fit
with what Belichick wanted to do, and so a lot
of his picks were based on that, Like, I could
pick him, but he's not going to make the team anyway,
so I might as well just go get this guy.
I think you saw a lot of that during Belichick's years.

Speaker 4 (24:19):
You just don't want to have redundancies across the roster.
Like if you take Mason Graham, he might be the
best player available, but now you have two two hundred
and ninety five pound interior rushers, and so how are
you going to play Mason Graham and Milton Williams off
of each other on first and second down? And does
that mean that Mason Graham isn't going to play as much?
So now that you wasted the fourth overall pick on

(24:39):
a rotational pass rusher, like that's not what you want
out of that pick either, So you just have to
have a plan of how are we going to use
this player in a high volume capacity that's going to
get the most out of the pick.

Speaker 2 (24:50):
You have to stack your board vertically and vertically.

Speaker 4 (24:54):
Yes, because it's just easier to talk about this.

Speaker 5 (24:56):
This part of the draft I could talk about forever,
just sort of trying to weigh the pros and cons
of concepts as opposed to thirty three or thirty two
inch arms. You know what I mean, what benefits you
the most both in the short and long term, and.

Speaker 2 (25:16):
Bill long benefits us.

Speaker 5 (25:19):
The right to your point, Bill often drafted with the
long term in mind. You know, we have you know,
Keith Trayler replacing Ted Washington at nose tackle. We don't
have an immediate need there, but Vince Wilfork is available
at twenty one. Long term, that's going to be a
really good pick for us. Right, they didn't have to
have that at the time, but recognition of the talent

(25:42):
and you could afford to do that the spot that
you're in, Right, that's how you draft a guy like
Gronk in the second round. There's a lot of teams
in the league that would not be able to make
that pick. A guy who did not play at all
is last year at Arizona. If you're like Joe Shane
and Brian Dable right now, you can't make that pick.
You can't because you can't make that risk. Then you're
going to draft a guy and get nothing out of

(26:03):
him his rookie year.

Speaker 3 (26:04):
He can barely draft Sanders right now. Right with the
hot seat, there.

Speaker 5 (26:07):
Are so there's a lot of I could talk about
that kind of aspect of the draft forever. That's what
I like about the first round draft show the most,
is sort of identifying what the teams might be thinking.

Speaker 3 (26:18):
I find myself going back though, thinking about Bill's old
scouting methods, which you know, I know Elliott Will said
they changed last year, have been in process of changing,
but I remember Bill's scouting system was very specific to
the team and how the player would fit in and
exactly what role they would pill and what and how
they would stack up, which to me sounds like common
sense way to approach it. But I know that there

(26:38):
are different ways to do it, and I'm.

Speaker 5 (26:40):
And somehow that's been deemed to be a negative.

Speaker 10 (26:42):
I agree.

Speaker 3 (26:43):
You know, what do you get getting away from that?
What are you getting to like?

Speaker 7 (26:46):
How are you reevaluate?

Speaker 3 (26:48):
I think you'd want to get to a place where
you're not really thinking about the need anymore.

Speaker 2 (26:51):
What you think?

Speaker 5 (26:56):
I like the way Mike is talking there and going
back to what Evan. You know, we led the show
up when everyone was explaining to me about the different
linebackers that Rabel might necessarily gravitate to it. Right, doesn't
that make sense that, well, I don't need a Brandon
Spikes kind of guy because Rabel doesn't really want those
kinds of guys. Isn't that like the essence of scouting

(27:18):
for a team? Right?

Speaker 4 (27:19):
And you'd also you don't want to give Brandon Spikes
to a coach that doesn't want to coach him.

Speaker 2 (27:24):
The way that gets to the whole conversation of whoever
the GM is knowing what the coach wants and scouting
toward you know what he.

Speaker 4 (27:34):
Wants, right, And that's why you know to go back
to the best player available thing. All thirty two teams
have different boards because they're looking for different things. They're
looking for different skill sets, they're looking for different scheme
fits and different types of you know, attitudes and things
like that. So you can sit there and say that
you think in a vacuum that Mason Graham is a

(27:56):
better player than Will Campbell, or Will Campbell's a better
player or whatever. But it's very team specific when you
really get down to it. So you can't give Josh
McDaniels a receiver that doesn't fit the offense that he
wants to run. Now, if it's Calvin Johnson, he fits
every offense. But when we're talking about, you know, the

(28:17):
rudimentary receivers, you have to give him guys that he
is going to be able to unlock and use properly.
So when I just don't think that best player available
is kind of a myth because it depends on the
you know, the beauty is in the behind eye of
the beholder.

Speaker 5 (28:32):
Well you can also say, no matter who you pick, well,
he was the best player in my eyes.

Speaker 2 (28:36):
Right right right, doing what's in the best interest of
the team.

Speaker 5 (28:40):
And when you go to the whole system thing, and
I agree with Evan again on that, you know, there's
certain guys that might fit better in certain systems. Now,
I think it's smart to go in that direction, but
it's also important, you know, and I think it's worthy
of criticism if like Bill Belichick's sort of at the end,
I think was kind of so set in his ways

(29:02):
that he was unbending to change the system, especially defensively,
that he was only interested in a certain amount of
guys and they were becoming harder and harder to identify
and find and put into, you know, put into his system.
So you can make a criticism, like to use Evans
example of Josh's type of receiver, You can criticize Josh
for saying, well, yeah, if you had Calvin Johnson, you

(29:25):
should be able to find a way, even though he's
not really you'll kind of receive it out. You should
be able to identify the talent and be able to
work it. If your system is so unbending that it
doesn't utilize.

Speaker 2 (29:36):
Then the problems your system correct the player.

Speaker 5 (29:38):
That's a fair criticism, But I think teams should absolutely
stack boards with their type of player in mind, sure
that they think fits best in their system. Penetrating defensive
lineman now evidently as opposed to two gapping run stuffers.

Speaker 4 (29:54):
Right, do you want to tackle that's better in a
downhill run scheme? Do you want his own blocking tackle?
Do you want running back that's going to be in
a spread offense. Do you want a battering ram running back?

Speaker 11 (30:03):
Like?

Speaker 12 (30:04):
It?

Speaker 4 (30:04):
Just all across the board, just depends on what you're
trying to accomplish as a team.

Speaker 2 (30:09):
Another thing I want to bring up, and I'm seeing
on one of Paul's shows, they're talking about this thing
Brady came out with yesterday about why he left the
Patriots and that the split between him and Belichick was inevitable.
What did you think about that?

Speaker 3 (30:24):
I didn't actually get to see it that I was
just catching up here on I didn't rate it. No,
I didn't see it yesterday.

Speaker 5 (30:29):
Yeah, I saw it, Fred, Yeah, I did show Prepp.

Speaker 3 (30:31):
You're doing your show prep with your brother. You talked
about it.

Speaker 5 (30:34):
I didn't do that. That didn't come up in show prep.
That was this morning. I didn't see that. Yeah, he
was talking about that the Twitter machine.

Speaker 2 (30:39):
It was really two part A little it was why
he left and why he picked Tampa Bay. But the
first part I thought was the most interesting to me
is he was saying that I had to leave. I
had to leave, that we had grown so far apart
he and Belichick, that it was just inevitable.

Speaker 5 (30:56):
I had to go the last two or three years.

Speaker 2 (30:59):
Yeah, it was kind of I just thought that was
curious that he's coming out with that five year anniversaries.

Speaker 5 (31:04):
So I think it's really curious. Yes, I think it's
really curious that he seems to continue these kinds of
things unprovoked. Yeah, and I wonder why, I mean, is
he I don't know. I also thought he had this
whole thing of he ranked about twenty different things, and

(31:25):
you know about why he left the scale to one
to three of you know, the pros and cons of
staying and going and you know, practice weather was important,
game weather was important. He had those separated. You know,
the game weather was only a two, but practice weather
is a three. Targets you know, the weapons that he had,
you know, with with Evans and Godwin, he considered that

(31:47):
a three. Arians he considered the three, you know, even
though he ended up coaching the team. But this is
where you know, and the Tom Brady's like, you know,
I'm not like my I don't have this deep sort
of under underlying, you know, lack of appreciation for Tom Brady. Money.

Speaker 2 (32:10):
Yeah, money wasn't.

Speaker 5 (32:11):
Money wasn't. Money wasn't that wasn't really in the top ten.

Speaker 2 (32:14):
That is such bold, That is such bold that that's
kind of what started why he wanted to leave here.

Speaker 5 (32:21):
He correct, he was being respect wasn't appreciated. Why people
like Mike push him out of town?

Speaker 2 (32:26):
Right?

Speaker 5 (32:27):
Mike, you didn't you get the same impression when you
read that, like, oh, money wasn't money wasn't important? Really, Tom,
go ask mister Go ask mister Kraft.

Speaker 2 (32:38):
He'll clarify and he'll say, well, the money wasn't important
to where I was going. But come on, if it
was important here, why wouldn't it be important?

Speaker 5 (32:45):
So it was important, And I'm not blaming him for
it being important. I'm blaming him for not admitting it
was important.

Speaker 4 (32:51):
Are we going to be like twenty years from now
and we're still doing like and have Brady talking about
him leaving the Patriots? How many more times do we
have to do?

Speaker 5 (32:57):
But I think Brady's doing this.

Speaker 4 (32:59):
I'm not blaming anybody.

Speaker 3 (33:01):
You keep bringing it up.

Speaker 4 (33:02):
I have no interest, but.

Speaker 5 (33:04):
I would just I kind of would Evan on this,
But I don't really understand. Is he that needy that
he needs to like sort of inject himself into the
limelight at all times? It's weird to me, And that
was weird there.

Speaker 4 (33:17):
I'm just going like I kind of know the story,
like we we've heard it, we know, we get it.
It's been five years wounds, so you can move.

Speaker 5 (33:25):
I don't have any of that. I just find it
odd that he continues to talk about himself that way.

Speaker 2 (33:33):
Oh yeah, all right, I just thought i'd bring that up. Okay,
anything else the listeners a little quiet?

Speaker 4 (33:42):
It a cool day yesterday BC. Yeah, is at Boston
College yesterday. Patriots Palooza is what I would call it.
That Mike Rabel was there, Elliot Wolf, Ryan Cowed and
how many other teams all thirty two teams are represented?
Oh really yeah not Brable was the only head coach.
But you know, some cool moments with Bill O'Brien and

(34:04):
obviously with Rabel being tight with him and Maron too.
Maroon's really tight.

Speaker 2 (34:08):
With other teams. Who was the big attraction?

Speaker 4 (34:13):
Well, Aserko didn't do anything, So I would say the
alignment Trapillo and Kendel their centers, Draftable center as well.
So yeah, the Donovan Azeruku, who's their pass rusher, is
going to go first round?

Speaker 2 (34:28):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (34:28):
He he did the Senior Bowl, he did the combine,
so he just he just sat out the Day. But
I thought what O'Brien said was interesting was a lot
of the the reason why teams come to things like
pro days is actually what happens before and after the
Pro Day. They take them out to dinner, you know,
they they kind of get him in a social setting,
see what the kid's all about, that sort of thing.

(34:49):
So I wouldn't be surprised if you know, Azeruko had
a lot of meetings with teams even though he didn't
work out at the Pro Day. But how many teams
would you say with the all thirty two were repres okay,
but you know sometimes you just sent scouts, you know,
not necessarily gms.

Speaker 2 (35:05):
But that's good for BC.

Speaker 5 (35:07):
Yeah, and it was good.

Speaker 4 (35:08):
I think this connection between the BC and the Patriots,
now that Rabel and O'Brien are the two head coaches,
I don't think this is going away. I think this
will be something that they'll they'll do a lot of
Rabel talked to the team, address the team before the
Pro Day began on Monday morning.

Speaker 2 (35:25):
So when you went to the.

Speaker 3 (35:26):
Z Flowers one a couple of years ago, BC, how
different was it this year?

Speaker 4 (35:30):
I'd say there's more people this year, certainly more media
covering it, but it was a little bit more people
this year, which I found surprising because it's a wide
receiver and you know, usually there's some value to watching
those guys run routes in person and things like that.
But you know, just in comparison, when I went to
for Day Flowers, the highest ranking person for the Patriots

(35:52):
was Cameron Williams, the college scouting director. This one, all
three top decision makers were were in attendance, so they
definitely tried to show it. I think a little bit
for O'Brien, I think they'd try to do him a
solid as well. But it was cool.

Speaker 3 (36:08):
It was interesting the instadrat to me, I went to
the Holy Cross one smaller, but those low level scouts
from other teams, just what a grind it is for them.
It seems like they are just doing this like pro
day to pro day timing, measuring, setting up stuff, taking
stuff down. It's just you got a little glimpse into

(36:29):
the grind of you know, we kind of sit up
in our ivory tower or you are scouting and you know,
but like it's like you don't have to go out
to some random school in the middle of nowhere and
time fifteen guys, fourteen of whom probably have no chance
of even making it now.

Speaker 5 (36:42):
Were there any other prospects there yesterday other than BC players.

Speaker 4 (36:46):
Yeah, there are some local guys that were there, and
they're a quarterback who is gonna be draft eligible. I
believe next year. He threw to the receivers, which happens
a lot, so they it's kind of like an early
show case for him, and he threw pretty well. I
have to say, I think he's in a quarterback competition
right now at the kid that transferred from Alabama, but

(37:08):
it sounds like he's gonna win it, and he can
he can spin it.

Speaker 5 (37:11):
A little bit interesting to see what BC does next year,
you know, year or two of O'Bryan. They get their
program in, get their kind of some of their kind
of personnel, and especially the sill last year, yeah they did,
they had, I mean, they had a pretty good quarterback problem.

Speaker 4 (37:26):
Yeah, but the quarterback last year was more of like
a dual threat as a runner.

Speaker 5 (37:29):
He was a runner.

Speaker 4 (37:30):
This kid can throw it, Yeah, he can throw it
from the pocket.

Speaker 2 (37:32):
So okay, all right, let's get to the phones. The
hot line is eight five to five pasts five hundred
we'll go to Randy in Providence. What's up Randy here?
You guys, how's it going good.

Speaker 11 (37:47):
I just wanted a couple of, like, I guess comments,
slash questions drafts related and then kind of get you guys'
reactions and answers afterwards. You guys were talking about the
length concerns with Campbell, and I felt like you were
kind of like almost pulling it, like like quarters of
an inch and so forth. And I think, you know,
recently we saw that again in the Super Bowl where

(38:07):
it's you know, Joe Touney is just getting dominated a
left tackle because he's not a left tackle because of
the length concerns. And I do think throughout the season
there are a number of scouts posting and like discord
groups and a couple on YouTube channels of their own
that we're concerned about Will Campbell's length and his ability
to deal with faster edge rushers due to those length concerns.

(38:29):
Similar Calvin Banks junior, they had a footwear concerns about
whether he'd be a better guard or tackle. And then,
like you guys were talking about the receivers for us
last year, I think a really good argument could be
made is it bad evaluation or bad development? You know,
giving experience of the coaching staff overall.

Speaker 5 (38:50):
I would say both only because the guys that have
left here have not gone on, you know, Nikhil Harry
has not blossomed elsewhere.

Speaker 11 (38:57):
Yeah, as an example, I mean just just specific to
the guy last year, like Pok and Baker specifically, like
are we out on them because they were bad picks
or were they not developed properly? But I think the
wide receiver class is like very similar to the twenty
nineteen wide receiver class, where it's like it's not a
lot of great talent at the top, and there's a
lot of good guys in the second third round that

(39:19):
you could get. And I wonder what do you think
specifically about a guy like Jalen Lane who's got all
those physical tools and he's kind of got a better
catch radius, bigger hands than guys like Kyle Williams or
Janalen Knowle and then maybe they get out of Miami. Ristreppa,
do you think he fell into Day three after running
that four eight three yesterday? And do you think that's

(39:41):
good for us in getting someone who could maybe fill
that role in like the fourth fifth round? And then
I wanted to know if you thought pretty safety was
a sneaky knee for us, maybe someone specifically like Andrew mccoubaugh.
Mike Rabel's defenses in Tennessee always had kind of ball
hawking Kevin Byern safety, And I don't know if we
have that guy right now. So that's it.

Speaker 2 (40:04):
Thanks Randy lot to digest there.

Speaker 3 (40:07):
Yeah, was like a four steven four eight four eight
three four eight three.

Speaker 4 (40:11):
Yeah, so they armand member would beat him.

Speaker 3 (40:15):
Put it to you that way, jeez, it's crazy.

Speaker 5 (40:18):
Yeah, there was a lot of stuff that was really
good in that call. So I don't want this one comment,
and this is not directed, was it Randy? Yeah, because
he was he was really good with that call. Only
Patriots fans could look at a wide receiver running a
four eight as a positive for the Patriots, only Patriots fans.
Is this good because now he drops lower in the
draft and we can get or is it bad that

(40:40):
he ran a four to eight three coming into the league,
So that means like in two years he's running like
a five second forty.

Speaker 3 (40:46):
Right.

Speaker 4 (40:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (40:47):
You don't get faster generally unless you're like the learning
nutrition at the NFL level.

Speaker 4 (40:52):
I wanted to like Ristrepo at the Senior Bowl. I
went into it being like, this is going to be
everybody does, oh WelCom in slot, and that poor kid
tried to separate on slot fades all week long and
just could not stack or like he couldn't run by anybody.
I was like, this is gonna be one of the
this is not. You know, he's a one level receiver.

(41:13):
You know he's gonna be quick hitters underneath. He can
run with the football after the catch, He's got good instincts,
good feel for zone coverage, all that andy.

Speaker 5 (41:21):
I don't want to make it sound like that. I
would say, oh, don't waste your time. You take a
flyer on him late round six, seventh round, whatever, and
you get him. I saw his college production. I know
what he's done at Miami. He's been a good player
for them for a couple of years. So I wouldn't
say I'm out on him. I'm just saying I'm not
like longing for a slow slot receiver. I think this

(41:44):
team needs playmakers. If he comes in, he's just one
of those guys. He's a football player. It doesn't matter
what his time speed is.

Speaker 4 (41:50):
Fine, what was his cam and all his short shuttle
also wasn't good well, So he just he just did
not test very He was a very.

Speaker 5 (41:57):
Productive player at Miami, and I'm not dismissed with the
actual tape shows he caught a lot of passes for Miami.
And it wasn't just with cam Wood last year. He
was like that with quarterback issues prior to that at Miami.

Speaker 2 (42:11):
All right, Alex is in DC. Hey, Alex, hey good?

Speaker 13 (42:16):
What are you doing?

Speaker 2 (42:16):
Good?

Speaker 11 (42:18):
Good?

Speaker 13 (42:19):
So I had some questions around thirty visits.

Speaker 2 (42:22):
Okay, sorry you guys for a second.

Speaker 13 (42:26):
Questions about thirty visits? What actually happens during a thirty visit?
Do you think Rabe'll be using them differently this year?
And why haven't more been reported for the past?

Speaker 2 (42:38):
I think? Now, don't aren't these all public knowledge? Doesn't
the league publish thirty visits? No?

Speaker 4 (42:44):
No, Now, I would say the main thing with all
these things is getting to know the player. Rock fell asleep,
So you're really I mean, there are some football aspects.
They'll put them in the classroom and quiz them on
their side of the ball and have the coaches come
in and put them through a test like that. There
might be an on field you know, workout that goes on.

(43:05):
But I would say mainly you're trying to get to
know the player a little bit better, his personality, his temperament,
the type of kid he is, you know, that court
sort of thing. And then as always, medicals like medicals
are massive. You get them in the facility, you get
your own doctors, you get them, put them through medical testing.

Speaker 2 (43:25):
You know.

Speaker 4 (43:26):
So a lot of thirty visits are related to this
player has an injury, and he's coming off an injury
or had a prior injury in college that was severe,
and so they wanted this kid towards a cl two
years ago, and they want to check out his knee
and make sure that his knee is in good show.

Speaker 5 (43:41):
A good question though, that we haven't heard about any Yeah,
I've heard about a.

Speaker 4 (43:45):
Couple of them, couple of running couples, and Ursery is
coming in for one. Reportedly a couple running backs still
and Samson oli Gordon are out there, But I haven't.

Speaker 5 (43:56):
I haven't seen much. I'm with Alex, I must have
missed some of that. Maybe it was during my tournament
blackout here.

Speaker 4 (44:02):
We also have to remember the big college pro days
still haven't happened yet or happening this week. So usually
those players don't go on visits until after their par.

Speaker 2 (44:11):
Every team must have to tell the league who they're
having visit because you're only allowed thirty yep. So I
wonder if that that information's out there.

Speaker 5 (44:21):
And that doesn't include the local guys, right right? I
don't you get free ones with those? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (44:27):
I don't think that they usually get to all thirty,
Like I don't think. I don't think. I think thirty
is a lot. And I you know, we've we've kind
of taken away top thirty too, because it's not really
the top thirty players. It's usually players all across the draft.

Speaker 5 (44:40):
Oh yeah, this day two and Day three guys visit
with two Just.

Speaker 3 (44:44):
A question how you allocate those and guys you have
big questions on like we really feel like we need
to get But I was like the stories where they
didn't talk to me. I didn't even meet them, right,
they just like my film when they drafted me. Those
you know, those guys I feel like work out a
little bit.

Speaker 4 (44:58):
Sometimes some sort of red flag with the prospect, whether
it's injury, character concerns, whatever the case may be. And
they have them in.

Speaker 3 (45:11):
I was gonna say, go out of the previous color.
I don't know if I necessarily agree. The twenty nineteen
were like twenty nineteen, it felt like there was a
jumble of late first, early second receivers. I mean a
lot of guys who have gone on to success, but
see guys with traits. But I don't know that.

Speaker 7 (45:26):
I don't see a lot of like this guy might.

Speaker 3 (45:28):
Be a number one. Shoot, what's the one guy I'm
thinking of Arkansas No.

Speaker 6 (45:35):
No.

Speaker 3 (45:36):
One of those schools. I the big athletic kid that
looks Tasley the body type of a legit number one.
But I'll think of it in a second.

Speaker 5 (45:43):
With Jady Niggins, I was gonna say, what's the Iowa
State guy that I like?

Speaker 3 (45:46):
Please?

Speaker 5 (45:47):
That's why I need Yeah, I need him. Let me
make sure you about the draft shows I do.

Speaker 4 (45:51):
I do think this this wide receiver class is getting
a little bit too much hate. I don't think it's
a great class at the top, but it's a pretty
deep class. I mean there's gonna be guys as always
that you know, go second day to early day three
that I think are going to be solid NFL players,
or I think they'm going to be stars like probably not,

(46:12):
but I think there's a there's more depth to the
class and it's getting right out.

Speaker 2 (46:15):
I'll let you know in due time.

Speaker 5 (46:17):
I'll be looking forward to that.

Speaker 2 (46:19):
Yet, writes in Patriots picked for need and intangibles, and
that's how they ended up with the worst roster. I'm
tired of hearing about intangibles. Talent wins games. The years
of Patriots winning with intangibles and do your job are
over and stop pretending like we're picking a running back
or tight end at fourth overall Carter Hunter and if

(46:40):
they're not there, you probably have to pick McMillan.

Speaker 4 (46:43):
Stop pretending.

Speaker 5 (46:44):
So just to be clear, nobody is suggesting picking any
position if Carter or Hunter is available. I think we
all three agree if one of those two is available,
like they're taking, they should take one of those two.
So I would never suggest taking Aston Genty over Abdul Carter. No.

Speaker 3 (47:03):
And you asked earlier, Paul about Carter Hunter preferences, and
I think I've all been lockstep on Carter. That would
be my preference me too, but I feel like Hunters
give me. It's just the lack of attention on offense.
I think so far, and that's why I'm getting a
little itchy, Like I'm looking at the and really just
you know, it's a fair one edition receiver, and it's
a little because I also don't feel that they've really

(47:26):
added a lot on defense. They've stabilized it, they've they've
gotten the pieces in place. But for me, they need
to get the guys I've said it a couple of
times now that are gonna make the ceiling, like the
next generation of guys that Yeah, these guys Harold Lander,
he he's a stopper, he can play, he'll be good,
he'll be solid, but you need that young guy, that
young third guy to come in, you know, and really
push those guys and eventually be the go to guys there.

(47:49):
You know they've they've got the baseline there, but.

Speaker 4 (47:52):
You're being greedy about your defense. I know I'm t's.

Speaker 5 (47:58):
Critique because they have I've taken a lot of defensive
players and haven't really addressed the offense. I felt real
sunshiny yesterday on the show because they were saying, you
know what, what about the neglect on offense, And I
just said, you can have these things be true with
the same like I think the opportunity to pick guys
to phill holes presented itself on defense. I don't think

(48:19):
it was an orchestrated Mike Rabel's defensive coach. He's only
going to do the defense and let the offense was available.
Whatever I figured out, I don't feel there were a
lot of great options on offense that they now. They
absolutely could have gotten a wide receiver now probably wouldn't
have just been by free agency. They might have had
to get creative with the DK Metcalf or a Cooper

(48:40):
Cup or some you know, one of these kinds of guys,
you know, making a swinging a deal for somebody. But
the guys that were available that were the best players
in my view, were on defense, and that's what they did.

Speaker 2 (48:54):
David Maine, I know that if Carter or Hunter is
available for we probably can't pass them up, but I'm
secretly hoping that they're both taken so we're forced to
take Campbell. I personally believe that protecting quarterback is more
important than having a w R one H star receiver
is worthless if Mat doesn't have time to throw him
the ball. Asked Matt Stafford and Calvin Johnson about all

(49:16):
their Super Bowl wins, see Paul, even if Campbell ends
up being a guard, he's like a Zach Martin.

Speaker 5 (49:22):
Right, Why would you want to have a great quarterback
wide receiver combination because maybe he might not win the
Super Bowl like the thirty one other teams.

Speaker 2 (49:29):
That don't Campbell like Zach Martin, still makes the line better.
And Phil Perry reported that he watched the LSU tapes
with Dante Scarnekia and Scar said the guy is a
tackle all day.

Speaker 4 (49:42):
But I didn't know that Scar said that.

Speaker 2 (49:45):
Well, I don't know why David Name would not.

Speaker 4 (49:49):
I read the article that Phil wrote when he is
unless he said added that on a podcast. I don't
listen to everything that's.

Speaker 3 (49:54):
Called burying the league.

Speaker 4 (49:55):
Yeah, right, But he didn't say that. And most of
the quotes I saw from Scar about this for more
in generalities of In general, arm length is important because
of X, Y and Z and that sort of thing.

Speaker 5 (50:07):
But I just would caution that it's no more true
to say that a great wide receiver and quarterback are
useless without blocking as it would be to say great
blocking is a guarantee of success without the rest. I
think there are plenty of really good tackles that toiled
in that league for a long time on bad teams.

(50:30):
You know, Like I just you need everything. Like the
Eagles have a great offensive line, arguably the best in
the league, if not the best. What else they got
If they didn't have anything else, would they have wonted?
But just an offensive line. They have the best roster
in the league. I mean, they have great weapons, you know,
at receiver, they have a great running back, they have

(50:53):
a really good quarterback, if not great, and the defense
made plays and they may play us all over the place.

Speaker 4 (51:00):
I just wondered, you know, to go back to the
Carter Hunter conversation a little bit too. If you don't
address the offense, whether it's tackle or receiver, with the
first pick in the draft, I think you're punting on
that position until next year, because obviously you'll take somebody
on Day two and it's another Caden Wallace esque dart

(51:22):
throw and you hope for the best.

Speaker 5 (51:24):
Can it be better than that? Though? I don't know
if you like guys you know.

Speaker 4 (51:28):
Or if you trade back to if you trade back
up into the first round, you know, if you trade
up until you know, probably into the twenties or maybe
early thirty or earlier thirties, then maybe, but like you're
still not getting.

Speaker 5 (51:41):
You're not getting it at thirty eight, is what you say, right, I.

Speaker 4 (51:43):
Don't think so, and I don't think you're getting both.
Definitely not getting both. So both you can't get receiver
and tackle.

Speaker 5 (51:50):
Oh no, no, no, I meant I meant like a tackle
like Matt Light. I'm thinking Matt Light. Can I get
some Can I get Matt Light in this at thirty eight?
I think, which maybe I'm not Maybe you know, I'm
not expecting mattl Like to step in as a rookie
and do what he did in two thousand and one,
which would be a starting caliber yeh tackle for them
right out of the shoot. But can you have your

(52:11):
tackle of the future at thirty eight?

Speaker 4 (52:14):
I don't think it's tough. It all depends on when
that connorly Ersery Josh Simmons run happens like those three
guys last year.

Speaker 5 (52:22):
It would have been no because last year that run
happened early correct and the Patriots weren't able to get in.

Speaker 4 (52:27):
That's my fear. So Marius Mims started the run at eighteen.
Marus Mims goes Tyler Geiton goes. Those two couple of
guys go in the first end of the first round.
Once that run stops in this draft, that's big. The
cliff drops to the next group of tackles. So now
you're talking about Trapilo, who's really a right tackle. You're

(52:49):
talking about Anthony Belton from NC State, who's probably a
third or fourth round pick. You know, in most drafts,
like you really have that drop off to what was
last year was you know, Patrick Paul Kingsley, Sue Mattia,
Roger Rosegard, and Kayden Wallace and uh, the only one
that really played and played well was the kid in
Washington was Brandon Coleman.

Speaker 5 (53:09):
And now guard wasn't bad, but he played guard. Oh
that's true.

Speaker 4 (53:12):
So you know that that's that's where you're at right now.
If you don't go tackle a receiver with the first pick,
I just I don't know how you get that in
this tract.

Speaker 5 (53:23):
I'm okay if you take a tackle at thirty eight. Again,
I understand everything you even just said, But if you've
got to tackle at thirty eight, I'm okay. If he's
not plug and play. I know everybody thinks that every
hole that you know, they had like literally, fifteen out
of the twenty two spots are open, and the Patriots
were expected to fill every single one of them with
a frontline player. I am not expecting that, and I'm

(53:46):
not going to be disappointed if they're not able to
do that. So it doesn't need to be a plug
and play left tackle, but can it be a guy
that Okay, he's going to be my left tackle. He's
not quite ready yet, but he's going to be my
left tackle. Maybe by the middle of this season he's
emerging as the starter, and you know, heading into twenty six,
that's my left tackle. I'm okay with that. A lot

(54:08):
of fans won't be. They're like, we've been waiting for
five years, you know, what are we doing? What? What
are they waiting for on offense? Blah blah blah blah blah.
I'm okay with that.

Speaker 3 (54:16):
That goes back to need, though, and I feel like
at that point in the draft, you could get a
plug and play outside linebacker, running back like no, So
that's how you're kind of weighing it, like, Yeah, we're
gonna try to develop this guy into a need that
we really have, or there's definitely gonna be running back.
Sitting there at thirty eight that you know, I mean,
maybe that's even too soon for one of the running backs.

(54:37):
But I'd say defensive end, outside linebacker, that position group
that's really sure. That's the spot for this Red.

Speaker 2 (54:43):
In my mind, I think you get a wide receiver
in the second round.

Speaker 4 (54:46):
That you could, you could, but if you go yeah,
but if you go at thirty eight, if you if
you take a tackler receiver, I just don't think that
you can now count on sixty nine and seventy seven
filling the other hole that you don't draft.

Speaker 5 (54:58):
No, no, But again I'm okay with I'm okay with
there still being a hole right after this year.

Speaker 4 (55:04):
I think that in the third round you can find
a running back that's going to contribute. You can find
a pass rusher that can contribute, you can find a
defensive tackle that can contribute. That that those positions are
where the depth is in this draft. So like at
thirty eight, my fear is that they're going to find
themselves in a defensive line sort of party, right Like

(55:24):
there's just going to be defensive lineman and an ed
dreshers just flying off the board at that point in
the draft, and everybody's going to be waiting on tackle
and waiting on receiver because there aren't any that are
worth picking.

Speaker 5 (55:35):
But I get that, and I'm okay with it.

Speaker 4 (55:40):
The receive.

Speaker 5 (55:40):
If they get a receiver in the third round, why
can't I get a receiver who can contribute? Yes, I understand.
I still have my hole with that number one receiver spot.

Speaker 10 (55:48):
You know.

Speaker 5 (55:49):
Can I think if they signed Stefan Diggs, who was
here last week, I still think they have a hole
with the number one receiver spot. Like I'm not. I
don't think that's going to get filled this season. But
they need to be in the business of getting better
players on the roster. Yeah, somehow they need to. They
need to improve that the overall talent.

Speaker 4 (56:07):
What would you do?

Speaker 3 (56:08):
Like, that's what do you do a receiver?

Speaker 2 (56:10):
Though?

Speaker 3 (56:11):
Like I totally curd your point which you just made.
And is it worth draft taking a flyer on a
guy when you've already got three four guys on the wall.

Speaker 5 (56:18):
That's what I'm saying. I don't want to take to
me a flyer is taking McMillan at four. Well, I
just my need I have. I had a need for
number one receiver. I took the fourth pick of the draft. Well,
if you can't play, I haven't filled the role.

Speaker 4 (56:29):
I think that's a little exaggeration. But if he's not
good enough to be that guy, right, But McMillan's more
than a flyer. Like McMillan, you're.

Speaker 5 (56:36):
I don't see a lot of people that think he's
worthy of a top five pick.

Speaker 4 (56:39):
I don't know about if he's worthy of a top
five pick. But he's a top ten talent in this class,
So like you're not. That's not a to me. A
flyer is like Pop Douglas was a flyer.

Speaker 5 (56:47):
No, no, no, you know.

Speaker 4 (56:50):
Was a flyer, right, Like those guys are are a lottery.

Speaker 5 (56:53):
I just don't think that if you take McMillan, you're
your your problems are solved at the top of the wife.

Speaker 3 (56:59):
You still need to get fast.

Speaker 2 (57:01):
Kyler Pembroke. If I remember correctly, on one of Paul's shows,
they said, Travis Hunter isn't fast, Evan deuce, You guys
are all ball knowers. Is this fact or crap?

Speaker 4 (57:11):
I have no comment.

Speaker 3 (57:13):
He looks fast.

Speaker 2 (57:13):
Why don't you have a.

Speaker 5 (57:14):
Comment think he's fast or not?

Speaker 4 (57:15):
Because if you like, did you have you watch the
guy play.

Speaker 2 (57:18):
I mean, he's definitely got burst.

Speaker 4 (57:20):
He's got one of the he's got probably one of
the best play speeds in the entire draft. Like he's
I don't know, if you put him on a stop watch,
if he was going to run a four to two,
I don't know. But when you watch him play, I
mean he ran away from guys. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (57:34):
I like him better as a corner than a wide receiver,
But I think the Patriots would need to use him
at wide receiver if they did it. If they did
it that way, I feel like the little that I
watched him, he's the best athlete on the field. Yeah,
I don't think that'll be the case in the NFL,
So I worry a little bit about him as a
wide receiver.

Speaker 2 (57:52):
Would would we be talking any differently about Travis Hunter
if he was playing in the SEC his career?

Speaker 5 (57:59):
Yeah, if he did that in the SEC, yeah, I
would probably think better of him.

Speaker 4 (58:03):
I would just might.

Speaker 2 (58:03):
And then would he have been able to do that
in the SEC.

Speaker 5 (58:07):
Well, I have no idea he's going to try to
do it in the NFL, evidently.

Speaker 4 (58:10):
I just wonder if he, you know, would like you
mentioned some of the stuff out there about him as
a receiver, that he's a little raw and all that
kind of stuff. Well, I think we have to keep
in mind he didn't practice or focus on playing wide
receiver in college, so he played his focus was really
more on corner and he was just so damn talented
playing a receiver. That's just how they used him at Colorado.

(58:34):
So if he's not necessarily sole focused, but if ninety
percent of his effort is on training at wide receiver
athlete and he's already at this level, you know, this
floor of a wide receiver just be off his physical gifts.

Speaker 2 (58:49):
Does Big Head like him, I don't know, because I
would think that he'd be in love with him, like
he's Bo Jackson, you know, type of all around athlete.

Speaker 5 (58:58):
Do any Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I
haven't really heard enough from from Andy to know what
he thinks about him. But that will be another one.
Going back to the combine, he weighed in I think
at one eighty eight.

Speaker 4 (59:07):
Yeah, yeah, six feet one eighty.

Speaker 5 (59:09):
On a lot of people say how small he is.
I don't think there's anything wrong with one eighty eight.
Entering the league. He's going to get a little bigger
than that again, because Mike skinless chicken, you learn nutrition
at the NFL level. Right, he'll get a little bit
bigger than But like, it's not like he's one sixty
one eighty eight is that's that's a sturdy enough frame
he has.

Speaker 4 (59:27):
He is basically Garrett Wilson from a measurable standpoint, you know,
in terms of height and weight, they basically measured in
around the same.

Speaker 5 (59:34):
I had said yesterday on Sunshine that if he's available,
I don't see how the Patriots could pass him up,
and you wouldn't believe the pushback.

Speaker 3 (59:41):
I could really really.

Speaker 5 (59:43):
Like I said something really outside of the realm of.

Speaker 2 (59:46):
Robin Coventry might snuck in a quiet but important question.
When measuring arms, what are they measuring from? Wouldn't it
be easier to measure from the fingertip of the left
hand to the fingertip of the right hand? I E
his wingspan, that's wingspan, that's measure length. What if he's
got short arms but a broad chest.

Speaker 5 (01:00:04):
Well, they do both.

Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
Sign the kid and stick them on a rack.

Speaker 5 (01:00:07):
They do both, and he was exceptionally short in both. Ay,
b it doesn't matter what you're actually doing, they're all
they would all be doing it the same. So if
one guy has thirty two inch arms and another guy
is thirty four inch arms, but then you measure it
from a different spot, well, the other guy is still
going to be two inches longer, right, So what's the difference.

Speaker 4 (01:00:28):
He has a very narrow chest.

Speaker 2 (01:00:31):
As well, which is awesome the way he has a
narrow chest.

Speaker 4 (01:00:35):
Yes, because his wingspan is narrow, so his upper body
is is not. His wingspans not long, so his shoulder
to shoulder.

Speaker 5 (01:00:43):
I'm just going by what I read. All this stuff
is all of this stuff is not opinion by me.
I'm just going off of what I read. I've heard
that the wingspan in particular is like among the shortest ever.
It is smallest ever for that position.

Speaker 4 (01:00:56):
It is that this is the first prospect that I
can remember where we're talking about his wingspan because.

Speaker 5 (01:01:03):
It was so exceptionally small.

Speaker 4 (01:01:05):
But but it's just weird because it's never been relevant in.

Speaker 2 (01:01:08):
Relation to his wingspan. Does he have long arms.

Speaker 4 (01:01:12):
That I don't know, but he's got a short wingspan.

Speaker 3 (01:01:15):
Forearms, lo, I see what you did. How much does
just know about the will Campbell Armley country. I bet
this has bled over into your personal life, hasn't.

Speaker 4 (01:01:22):
This is the point of the draft where I do
start to get a little annoyed.

Speaker 5 (01:01:26):
So do you be talking the phone with Alex and
like Alex, I just don't know. Thirty two and five
a's it's just not long enough.

Speaker 3 (01:01:32):
It's texts, trust trust I should take.

Speaker 4 (01:01:35):
But yeah, this is the part where I start to
get a little annoyed because like some people start parachuting in,
you know, like that, like how like and and now
you know like his his shows have there that Travis
Hunter can actually play wide receiver, you know, like these
types of things.

Speaker 5 (01:01:50):
That wasn't the tenor yesterday. I think people were on
board with Travis Hunter. I mean, I can just go
on the show that I was on yesterday with with
Tony and Tony and Jim Murray both said they agreed,
like if Carter or Hunter is available, I think you've
got to take one of those two guys.

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Speaker 16 (01:04:00):
Another episode of Pats from the Past podcast, Matt Smith
here alongside with Pop Parolo, and we're pleased to be
joined by former Patriots quarterback Matt Castle. Matt, thanks for joining.

Speaker 10 (01:04:08):
Us, absolutely glad to be here.

Speaker 7 (01:04:10):
Why are you here, Matt?

Speaker 5 (01:04:11):
What would bring you back to.

Speaker 6 (01:04:13):
What would bring me back to the Foxborough is not
just the people, the fans, but it's the tribute. Let's
be honest, it's the tribute the retirement ceremony for Tom Brady.
And you know, it was an incredible start to the
ceremonies last night when we all got together, a bunch
of teammates, old teammates and familiar faces coming back. So
we had a blast last night. We're looking to continue
it tonight.

Speaker 16 (01:04:33):
You're a busy man with a big family, with a
lot of responsibilities and everything like that. So it's not
the easiest thing to sort of I'm going to drop
everything I'm doing. But was it and I'm sure so,
I mean, I don't want to answer it for you. Challenging,
But was it an easy decision to make that I
wanted to be here?

Speaker 6 (01:04:50):
It was challenging, but it was definitely an easy decision
to make. I mean, Tom's a close friend of mine.
He's played an important role in my development when I
was young, and throughout the years we've stayed close. And
just the fact that we get an opportunity to celebrate
him tonight and send him send him out in the
proper fashion, and it'll be it'll be a fun, fun
experience for everybody.

Speaker 5 (01:05:11):
You talked about the event that you did on Tuesday night,
any particular teammate that maybe you hadn't seen and you're like, wow,
it was great to catch out. I'm sure there was
a lot of them, but some one individually that stood out.

Speaker 10 (01:05:23):
You know, there's not one individual.

Speaker 6 (01:05:24):
The cool part about it is the thing that you
miss motes, and we talked about this is when you
leave the game, you miss that locker room, and you
had Logan Mankins, Matt Lay, Dan Cope and Lonnie Pax
and Kevin Fox, Dion Branch, all these guys that you've
had these incredible experiences with, and we played together, we
competed together. But to come back all and get into

(01:05:45):
one room and be able to see those guys and
pick up where we left off and tell funny stories
and old jokes, that's what it's all about, and that
it's the camaraderie that you really don't experience in other
walks of life, but you do in that locker room.

Speaker 10 (01:06:00):
And so it's pretty unique.

Speaker 16 (01:06:02):
All right, let's start where it started in two thousand
and five, and here's a guy who played one of
the best programs in all college football. You didn't get
a chance to play a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:06:11):
What were your.

Speaker 16 (01:06:14):
What realistically, Matt, did you think was going to happen
as you entered the draft that year?

Speaker 6 (01:06:18):
Honestly, I was just hoping to catch on as a
free agent and prove myself, maybe even get in a
practice because my expectations were, Hey, if I can get in,
hopefully I can get a chance to prove myself. And
throughout the process I had a good Pro Day and
all that stuff, and I had some workouts for about
five different teams, and I just thought, you know, there
is potential here that I will be a free agent somewhere.

(01:06:41):
And then all of a sudden, that last day of
the draft, I get a phone call. I was sitting
down at my agency's like, look, free agency is gonna
happen quick. We got to be prepared. We're getting fucked.
We're started to field some phone calls from different teams,
and next thing I know, Coach Belichick's on the line
and saying, hey, Matt, welcome to the New England Patriots.
We're going to take you next in the NFL Draft.
And my jawge is dropped. I kind of even had

(01:07:02):
to ask him, are you messing with me? Because I
didn't think it was realistic, right, I mean, for a
guy that threw I think it was thirty two total
passes in college, I backed up to Heisman Trophy winners,
which probably you know, kind of helped me along the
way in terms of the perception of who I could
potentially be. But there wasn't any tape out there, and
so the fact that they took a shot on me
and gave me an opportunity, I'd be forever, forever grateful.

Speaker 5 (01:07:25):
So when you got drafted, you know, I was we
were still doing the newspaper back then, Matt, That's how
long ago it was. But you know, I had your
draft profile that year and I called Pete Carroll, who
was the head coach here my first year working for
Patriots dot Com, and I talked to Pete a little
bit and he gushed about how agonizing the decision was

(01:07:46):
between you and Matt Leiner, and how you guys had
sort of toggled back and forth, and you know, depending
on the day that he woke up, he was convinced
you with the guy right, and then it was him,
and then it was you. And do you think that
maybe Pete talked to a lot of ent guys, maybe
with his obviously extensive experience, and maybe that sort of
helped give you a little bit of a push.

Speaker 6 (01:08:06):
I absolutely think he had an influence on just the
ability to know so many different people from a personnel standpoint.

Speaker 10 (01:08:13):
And then at the same time, I.

Speaker 6 (01:08:14):
Remember on the pro day, before we started our pro day,
he would go in and speak to all the scouts
individually about each guy. And so I know that we
always had a good relationship, and as agonizing as it
was for him, it was more agonizing for me to
sit there and have to wait and say, you know,
I can't the week before season getting called into that

(01:08:34):
office and getting the devastating news that what you've been
working for, you've been the backup for three years behind Carson.
This was I felt like it was my time to go.
And then to be told, look, we're going to go
with line Art to start, but if he falters it
all and you know, he took off that first game
with like a rocket ship and we go beat Auburn,
and then I was like, man, what am I going
to do?

Speaker 10 (01:08:54):
So I stuck playing.

Speaker 6 (01:08:55):
I went and switched over, played a little tight end
that year, played on special teams, did all these different
things because I wanted to play and be a part
of it. But I was kind of stuck in that
catch twenty.

Speaker 5 (01:09:03):
That's why Belichick drafted.

Speaker 6 (01:09:05):
Yeah, He's like, maybe he'll be on special teams. The
more you can do right, the more you can.

Speaker 16 (01:09:09):
Do Okay, So you're here ostensibly, you know, it helps
celebrate Tom's career, and so one of the big things
that has happened throughout the years or rookie comes in,
you're in the room with him. You know, what was
your first impression when you met tom.

Speaker 6 (01:09:21):
You know, I pretty much introduced myself in the weakest,
nerdiest form and fashion when he came up. I said,
mister Brady, Matt Castle, because you know, it's an intimidating environment, right,
and this guy just came off three Super Bowls. You
don't know how to Like normally you go up and say, hey,
what's going on, man, nice to meet you. I just
completely geeked out, went with a mister Brady and he's like, hey, Bud,

(01:09:42):
don't call me that, call me Tommy. I was like,
he might have me cut tomorrow based on the fact
that he doesn't want to be in the room with
somebody like a But no, he.

Speaker 10 (01:09:50):
Was incredible from the jump.

Speaker 6 (01:09:52):
I mean we got in there, and then soon thereafter
as we started to get into the work outs that offseason,
he's noticed that, Look, I was one of those workout
warriors too. I like to go in there. I like
to work out, and he's like, hey, you want to
work out with me? So he kind of took me
under his wing at that point, and from that point on,
for the next four years.

Speaker 10 (01:10:08):
We worked out every day with each other, we were
in every meeting.

Speaker 6 (01:10:11):
But for me, it was just incredible to watch the
professionalism day in and day out and his leadership. And
it was not just with his words, but it was
with his actions. It's how he took care of himself,
it's how he interacted with his teammates, how he treated
one guy because he thought he could get the most
out of this guy like Welker, for instance, he could

(01:10:31):
yell at him all day long and Welker would just
continue to go, you know. And then there's other guys
that maybe like a raindy Moss, that he'd sit there
in the locker after practice and just have a general
discussion about stuff because how he approached people was different
based on their personality and the relationships.

Speaker 10 (01:10:48):
So it was just a.

Speaker 6 (01:10:50):
Masterclass in being a professional quarterback. And then to watch
what he did week in and week out was just astounding.

Speaker 5 (01:10:56):
So you get to be part of that room with,
you know, the best that's ever done it, and you
also get to be coached by a guy who a
lot of people think is the best who's ever done it.
What do you remember about Bill specifically? But and I
know Matt and I tell talk about that story that
I think you talked about in the Dynasty documentary about
him calling your mom. Oh yeah, right.

Speaker 6 (01:11:19):
About being a dumb ass because I missed the corner
blitz that was my rookie year. Yeah, it was the
last preseason game. I didn't see the week corner blitz, which, hey,
they were pretty sneaky about it.

Speaker 10 (01:11:28):
Think this guy's as well. But he definitely called me
out in the meeting the next day.

Speaker 6 (01:11:32):
He's like, you know, Matt, let's make sure we go
through the fronts and check the corner blitz so I
don't have to call your mom and tell our dear
missus Castle, we're sorry your son's in the hospital because
he's a dumb ass.

Speaker 10 (01:11:43):
And from the whole t year, I was like, yep,
I deserve that one.

Speaker 2 (01:11:46):
Uh.

Speaker 10 (01:11:46):
But Bill Bill was.

Speaker 6 (01:11:49):
He was incredible because he pushed you to limits that
you didn't know that you could go, and he got
the best out of each of his players. But I
always respected about Bill was he had you better prepared
for any situation situationally speaking, also just game readiness then
I've ever been around. And part of that was even
on Tuesdays, taking the time out of his day on
a Tuesday or off day, we'd come in, we'd meet

(01:12:09):
with him and you've probably heard the story. We sit down,
go through every personnel and their defensive back end, safeties,
corner strengths, weaknesses, summarize.

Speaker 10 (01:12:18):
Who they are.

Speaker 6 (01:12:19):
Then even maybe a potential matchup on linebackers, talk about
the defensive coordinator and also his lineage and where it
came from. Then we'd watch film on all these guys.
So by the time you came in on Wednesday, you're rolling.
You understand why we're implementing certain past schemes and concepts,
who we're trying to attack on specific routes, who are

(01:12:40):
trying to take advantage of and so you just had this.
You had this confidence going into game week, understanding why
we're doing certain things, and there was never that.

Speaker 10 (01:12:51):
Wait, what are we doing? And if there was, it
was answered right and so.

Speaker 6 (01:12:56):
And the other thing I always appreciated about Bill was
he he was always to everybody to the same standard
of accountability. It wasn't like a if you're this guy
and you're a big name, you're you're off limits. And
I've been around that that type of program before too No,
it was. Look, if you're Tom Brady or if you're
a free agent, it doesn't matter. If you've messed up,

(01:13:16):
I'm gonna call you out. We're gonna correct it here.
It might not be something that you know everybody everybody's
cup of tea, like to sit.

Speaker 10 (01:13:23):
There and get it in the meeting room.

Speaker 6 (01:13:25):
But at the same time, it's set a level of.

Speaker 10 (01:13:29):
Expectation and a standard for everyone and now great moments in.

Speaker 2 (01:13:41):
History satellite radio.

Speaker 10 (01:13:44):
I really like it good.

Speaker 2 (01:13:45):
Yeah, you don't like it, Eric, I don't have it.
You don't have anything.

Speaker 5 (01:13:49):
Okay, you don't even have HBO podcast.

Speaker 10 (01:13:52):
That's true.

Speaker 16 (01:13:53):
I don't have HBO like you.

Speaker 5 (01:13:55):
I have access to HBO. I know.

Speaker 2 (01:13:56):
But you live like a monk's life over there in Providence.

Speaker 10 (01:14:01):
I know you concerned.

Speaker 2 (01:14:02):
You know you'll like a hermit.

Speaker 15 (01:14:03):
Sure, Eric wearing an olive colored sweater's brown.

Speaker 2 (01:14:09):
Down than I've said that before, green tint, and he
gets really upset.

Speaker 10 (01:14:14):
I don't get upset.

Speaker 2 (01:14:15):
It has a green tint to it.

Speaker 5 (01:14:17):
Sure, but it's brown. It's not olive.

Speaker 4 (01:14:19):
I think it's all trust me, it's not olive.

Speaker 15 (01:14:22):
The color of an olive, like a dark olive, looks
just like your sweater.

Speaker 1 (01:14:27):
That's another great moment from.

Speaker 2 (01:14:31):
Those are the days.

Speaker 5 (01:14:32):
I'm not getting mad, but but it's brown, right like
he was actually angry at the time.

Speaker 2 (01:14:37):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, it's the best color, all right.
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(01:15:00):
that together and sends it out. How do we land
with where you would take a free agent for dinner
or you know, a restaurant like was there a consensus? Like, okay,
that was the hall.

Speaker 4 (01:15:11):
Didn't play the game?

Speaker 2 (01:15:12):
Oh you didn't play last week?

Speaker 4 (01:15:13):
He said, Jersey Mike's or something.

Speaker 5 (01:15:15):
Oh no, no, no, I said, I said the North End.
I said, take them to Boston so they know that
they're not basically in Siberia. Take them to Boston. Take
them to the North End. You can't go wrong. But
if you just want to stay Locals number thirteen at
Jersey next Mike's Way.

Speaker 2 (01:15:29):
Yeah, okay, I was having a little.

Speaker 3 (01:15:31):
Fun with local I mean sharing such a town with
so many patriots, greats in it.

Speaker 4 (01:15:34):
And such a fine cuisine.

Speaker 2 (01:15:36):
Didn't take them to the spot.

Speaker 4 (01:15:38):
No, No, it's just fantastic cuisine and Sharon, they're really
known for that.

Speaker 5 (01:15:43):
Yeah, I didn't take it seriously, this guy. I was
trying to town downtown, Sharon.

Speaker 3 (01:15:49):
I will, I think fred I will have maybe a
little something special in the newsletter this week. There was
a new addition to the do So family over the weekend.
Oh for a friend, has john fantastic?

Speaker 2 (01:16:02):
Do you want to save it for the newsletter?

Speaker 5 (01:16:05):
We found it.

Speaker 7 (01:16:05):
We found a very chill dog.

Speaker 2 (01:16:06):
A dog.

Speaker 7 (01:16:07):
It's kind of like a chiawa mix. He's a small dog.

Speaker 3 (01:16:11):
His name is Zoot and he comes from Texas, so
we kept the name Zoot. I don't know where it
came from. He's like a nice like like light brown, like.

Speaker 2 (01:16:19):
Olive ears stick up ears are very so.

Speaker 3 (01:16:22):
He's got some doc I can't say docson doson doxon. Uh.
He's got a little bit of pug and he's got
a little bit of a little bit of pug poodle
little poodle and a little poodle.

Speaker 7 (01:16:37):
So he's a little bit of a mix.

Speaker 2 (01:16:39):
Yeah, apparently his parents parents.

Speaker 3 (01:16:42):
Uh but no, very very chill dog. And he's assimilating
well into the family. So maybe I'll have a little
right up.

Speaker 2 (01:16:49):
Who does he gravitate to most probably my wife right
out of the gate.

Speaker 3 (01:16:52):
But he was smart. When we went to the thing,
you know, to the shelter to look at him, he
came right up to me and sat right next to
me and kind of flipped upside down and was just
like hanging with me. So he knew he knew who
the skeptical one was. And uh, yeah, No, it was
just very calm, not a barker, chill dog. So I
think it's a good, good addition for all those out
there who were very that's great. I had a text
Evan anounce that I knew they were heavily invested in.

Speaker 4 (01:17:14):
Yeah, on Sunday night, sitting there and get a text
with the picture from picture in the text message there
is there's Zuke. Very excited.

Speaker 2 (01:17:24):
There you congratulations, thank you, very excited.

Speaker 5 (01:17:27):
Very good.

Speaker 2 (01:17:28):
All right, let's go to the hot line. He's been
holding on for a while, Patty and Agaalon, what's up? Patty?

Speaker 5 (01:17:38):
Patty passed out.

Speaker 2 (01:17:41):
People are going to be really upset that you weren't
on the line. Let's go to Ohio. Brad's there. What's
up Brad?

Speaker 17 (01:17:48):
Hey, good afternoon, guys.

Speaker 2 (01:17:54):
Good.

Speaker 17 (01:17:54):
Uh got a got a couple of thoughts here with you,
and uh, you know, the drafts upon us now, so
I think we're focusing a lot on that and that's
a good thing. Just a couple quick insights. If it
were me and it was picked four, I would either
go Hunter, Carter, Campbell, Graham, and if neither one of

(01:18:18):
those players were available, I would try to get Coaston
Loveland simply because he'll be great with Drake. And then
I don't know about that North Dakota state blocker. Where
are you all anticipating he'll be taken? Because can we
get back up into the first round and get.

Speaker 4 (01:18:39):
Him, Well, he's a guard, yeah, talking about Gray's Abel,
who's fantastic. He's going to play guard though at the
next level, and he's going to be a top twenty,
top twenty five pick. I think in this class, really
really really really strong pre draft process starting at the
Senior Bowl just to absolutely skyrocketed up the board since then.

(01:19:03):
So good player, really good football player.

Speaker 13 (01:19:07):
Then you don't think we'll get a chance. He won't
even fit in our offense.

Speaker 4 (01:19:11):
Then no, I don't think it's not. He's just a guard.
You know, he's we talk about Will Campbell's arm length
like Gray's abels like closer to thirty two. You know,
he's really gonna there's no question, like, there's no there's
debate with him. He's moving inside at the Senior Bowl
and then where he practiced all three spots actually center
as well.

Speaker 17 (01:19:33):
Okay, then, well I was hoping because he did look
like the sure bet as far as the blocker goes.
And then the running back. I still hope we get
Donovan Edwards and then Jenkins the other Higo State running back,
and then a wide receiver Isaiah Bond from Texas.

Speaker 3 (01:19:52):
Is that oh yeah, we like him.

Speaker 13 (01:19:54):
And then made me back back or.

Speaker 3 (01:20:01):
Yeah best jack?

Speaker 2 (01:20:03):
Okay, well all right thanks, Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:20:08):
Perhaps branching out a little bit, only five Michigan guys
that I expected Isaiah Bond was was that was outside
the box.

Speaker 4 (01:20:15):
Everybody's all over the place with Isaiah Bond. You either
love him or you hate him. There's no there's no consensus. Uh.
He's obviously got great, great speed, but he never really
realized the potential in college, like he had a really
good year at Alabama a couple of years ago, looked
like the next Jalen Waddle, like was just moving at
a different speed than everybody else on the field, and

(01:20:36):
the production just never really took off between Alabama and Texas.
So that that's Isaiah Bond. But he mentioned Judkins. I've
watched all these running backs recently. I actually like Treyvon Henderson,
the other Ohio State back, a little bit better. But
both those guys can play. They'll be second round picks.

Speaker 2 (01:20:53):
Curtis and Saint Louis with a year after twenty twenty four.
Question for Paul, would you have rather taken say one
of Marvin Harrison, Junior Malik Neighbors or Joe alt impaired
them with say Shador Sanders or one of this year's
free agent veteran quarterbacks that were available, or would you
have still taken Drake and be in the current position

(01:21:16):
with the potential options at tackle and wide receivers. So
let me get it, so.

Speaker 5 (01:21:20):
Last year, be I would take b you would take
I would rather have I would rather feel good about
my quarterback situation than be searching for it, because I
think there's a lot of teams that have good talent
and don't have an answer a quarterback that are not
very good. Yeah, they're just okay? And how see Pittsburgh Steelers.

Speaker 3 (01:21:37):
Do you not want to be sitting here with Joe
Alt and trying to figure out, Please Russell Wilson come
to New England?

Speaker 10 (01:21:42):
Right?

Speaker 5 (01:21:42):
Save us? And and by the way, if he comes,
he's not saving you. Yeah, Like the the chances are
much greater that Drake may becomes an All Pro and
that saves you than it is of plugging some veteran
in or relying on Shador. In my view, I just
don't feel like those quarterbacks are as good as.

Speaker 3 (01:22:04):
The class from last Jameis Winston Giants right, not even close.

Speaker 2 (01:22:09):
Second question, Evan, Yes, with the addition of Marcus Epps,
do you feel he can be a true safety in
Rabel's defense or would he be more in the box?
And who do you feel he would pair better with?
Duggars or Peppers? Also, could you see the Patriots moving
on from one of those guys?

Speaker 4 (01:22:26):
Yeah, I I think as a flyer, I'm not ready
to de pencil him in anyway coming off an injury.
You know, he's a good I would say probably more
of a free safety, like somebody that's gonna play deep
a little bit more. But he's pretty versatile, you know
when he was healthy and playing well. But I'm gonna
have to see it in training camp with him, and

(01:22:46):
I think you know you have him. They still have
Jalen Hawkins brought him by him back.

Speaker 3 (01:22:51):
The same time too, similar kind of player too.

Speaker 4 (01:22:53):
Yeah, so I think one of those two guys will
probably end up winning a spot. I don't think they
want to use a draft pick on a safety. I
think they would rather let's see, give Dugger and Pepper's
another year and hopefully they're the players we thought they
were when we extended them versus what they played like
last year. I think that they would prefer to do that.

(01:23:15):
That's just my opinion.

Speaker 3 (01:23:17):
But I kind of think Peppers is here to stay now.
I think if they were going to get rid of
him because of the incident last year, which you know
he was clear for.

Speaker 5 (01:23:27):
Still, they're clearly not getting rid of him for that incident,
but he'd been long gone if they were doing that.

Speaker 3 (01:23:32):
Yeah, that's what I mean.

Speaker 5 (01:23:33):
I'm not convinced that those two guys will be on
the team. One of them will be, but I'm not
convinced that both of them will be.

Speaker 4 (01:23:40):
I don't know if both of them necessarily need to be,
just because the off the team, they are redundant skill sets,
Like I think you can.

Speaker 5 (01:23:46):
Get away a chance that one of them could go.

Speaker 4 (01:23:49):
Yeah, I just think that in terms of using you know,
we got a call earlier about you know, Andrew mccuba
is going to be a top one hundred pick at safety, Like,
I don't know if this is really you're creating more
holes in the canoe, right Like if you're starting to
pull out the safeties now now, and now all of
a sudden, New York, Okay, you're gonna use a top
one hundred pick on a safety, and now what about
all the other positions that you need that are maybe
more pressing. I would much rather them kind of like

(01:24:11):
what they're doing at tight end. You probably have passable
safeties right now, So let's just see if it were
and Mike.

Speaker 5 (01:24:17):
Your chances are you're right, the status will be quo. Yeah,
but I wouldn't be stunned if one of those guys.

Speaker 3 (01:24:23):
I'm just interested you guys are saying one of those
guys implying that maybe you think Kyle Duggar could go.

Speaker 5 (01:24:27):
I just, you know, whichever one they can get something for.
There was a time where I don't think they're going
to release them. There was a time where we wouldn't
think of getting rid of Kyle Duggar. So let's get
back to that time. Maybe maybe a better front line
and more pressure on consistent pressure on the quarterback.

Speaker 2 (01:24:43):
Helps him getting him healthy too, and get him healthy
maybe the biggest I just.

Speaker 5 (01:24:47):
I just think things sometimes pop into your lap that
you're not necessarily expecting, you know, And if there was
a what if some team looks at Kyle dugla and
says he was really banged up last year, the contract
is is okay, it's not great, but it's not terrible.
I could give something for him, you know something, Maybe
I have a surplus somewhere and I could I could

(01:25:09):
trade this or you know, a draft pick for for
Kyle Duggar. And you know, the Patriots don't necessarily need
two physical box safeties. Maybe they look to get something
that they do.

Speaker 2 (01:25:21):
Those are the kind of things that could happen, right.

Speaker 5 (01:25:23):
I wouldn't suggest they're gonna, you know, year one into
a four year deal. Just release them and eat that
whatever the dead money is. I don't think that would happen.

Speaker 2 (01:25:32):
Nate Chicago, did you guys see Dion and he means
Sanders publicly saying we are hoping for New York. I
think his endorsement could help force the Giant's hand, especially
since Joe Shane and Brian Dabele are on the hot seat.

Speaker 4 (01:25:46):
I agree, Well, really.

Speaker 5 (01:25:48):
I think the opposite, though I understand what the mentality is.
I just feel like, if you're on the hot seat,
the last thing you want is unproven rookie who some
people think is the second round pick.

Speaker 4 (01:25:58):
See. I feel like you almost have no choice, Like
if you're stable in Shane, you need to start the clock,
Like you need to take a take a risk at
one of these quarterbacks at some point and start the clock.
And you know, last year they had opportunities to do
it too, Like they could have had Penix, they could
have had JJ McCarthy, they could have had Nicks. Like
at some point you have to take the plunge. And
if you keep kicking that can down the road and

(01:26:20):
the you know you're gonna get started getting asked some
questions like do you just not have the chops to
just go out and do it.

Speaker 5 (01:26:25):
I just feel like, if you take Sanders and you
win three games, you're going.

Speaker 4 (01:26:29):
But if you the alternative, playing jamis on.

Speaker 5 (01:26:31):
The alternative is to figure out a way to get
Like Russell Wilson, you don't.

Speaker 2 (01:26:35):
Think someone Sanders buys them some time.

Speaker 5 (01:26:37):
I know, no, no, unless he's if they don't win
some games.

Speaker 2 (01:26:43):
Yeah, but if they win more games than they did
last year and Sanders.

Speaker 5 (01:26:47):
I don't think that can happen, Okay, I mean that's
just my view. I mean that doesn't mean I'm right.
I'm wrong about a million things. I thought my prediction
would be Sanders will not win five games.

Speaker 2 (01:26:56):
But I always thought that getting that rookie quarterback buys
you some time as a head coach.

Speaker 5 (01:27:02):
Y it does when you're a new regime. Like I
don't think, for example, Tennessee would have to take cam
Ward if they didn't want.

Speaker 2 (01:27:10):
To, I guess. But they didn't work for right.

Speaker 5 (01:27:14):
You know, like everybody uses Atlanta as an example. So
they they went and signed Kirk Cousins, and they still
drafted Michael Pennix. It's the first year coach. He's not
in the hot seat. He can do that. So I
think if you sign Russell Wilson or Aaron Rodgers, I
know that's unlikely. It looks like Pittsburgh for Aaron Rodgers.
But if they signed one of those guys, I don't

(01:27:35):
see how you can then take Shadua Sanders.

Speaker 4 (01:27:39):
If I was I would just be they messed up
the draft last year. Like Neighbors a great player, but
they messed up the draft last year. I'm sure in
the eyes of their ownership, they messed it up by
passing on Nixon Pennix, Like those two guys look like
they can play in the league and they needed a
quarterback and they didn't take them. And so if you
do that again and Shadora Sanders goes to another team

(01:28:00):
and looks like he can play in the league, you're out.

Speaker 5 (01:28:03):
If Sanders can play in the league again, If they're
wrong and I'm wrong and he ends up being really
good out of the shoot, they're gone.

Speaker 4 (01:28:11):
Yeah, Because I think there's a chance he could be
really good out of the shoot, like and I say
really good, like mac Joe.

Speaker 5 (01:28:17):
I think he's so raw. I just don't see it. See.

Speaker 4 (01:28:20):
I think it's the opposite. I think that he's actually
I mean, he's played a ton of college football.

Speaker 5 (01:28:23):
I know, and I think he's right at a high level.

Speaker 4 (01:28:26):
He's got a pretty good instinct to him, a pretty
good ability to him in terms of his floor. I
think a lot of people are just wondering if the
athleticism in the arm talent is there for him to
have a breakthrough seals.

Speaker 5 (01:28:38):
This is a little stubborn polism because Evan's right, that's
the way he's viewed. Evans got the viewpoint of most
I look at him in a much different way. I
think he has talent. I'm intrigued by some of his talent,
but I think he's raw, and he breaks a lot
of rules and runs around aimlessly, and yeah, he generally
points his fingers at the offensive line a lot. That
to me, he creates a lot of his own pressure

(01:28:59):
by running round and holding the ball. I think he's
really wrong. I think he has a long way to go.

Speaker 2 (01:29:03):
Phill in the UK says, if Carter is at four,
given the current d line and needs elsewhere, would you
look to trade down to pick up a wide receiver,
tackle and additional picks? I say no, because you don't
have Abdul Carter, right, you don't have that type of rusher.
So maybe you have depth on your d line now,

(01:29:24):
but you don't have Abdul Carter.

Speaker 3 (01:29:26):
And he's potentially special, a really good fit for what
they want to do. I mean, there's a number of
things they can do with him. Hey, it just makes
too much sense. It hurts that it's not on the
offensive side of the ball, but it's kind of like
free agency was you got to take what's given to
you or what's available. I think that'd be a huge
thing moment. If Abdul Carter falls to fourth overall they

(01:29:46):
get a chance to pick him, that would be that'd
be pretty cool.

Speaker 4 (01:29:48):
I would definitely listen to the trade offers. If you
get a Will Anderson like package for Abdull Carter and
you can get a Day two pick and a future
first round pick for four in the position the Patriots
are in, with all the needs that they have, I
would definitely listen to it. Would I do it? I'm
glad I don't. I'm glad I don't have to make

(01:30:11):
that decision.

Speaker 5 (01:30:11):
I haven't given any thoughts to that kind of a
package because I don't think that's available. But we also
haven't thought about Carter and being available, right, so I
hate to somebody wants him that much.

Speaker 7 (01:30:23):
Like if somebody wants him that much.

Speaker 3 (01:30:24):
You should want him that much, you know.

Speaker 5 (01:30:26):
Like Mike god instinct would be to take Carter. I
think he's a special player, but maybe he's not. I
don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:30:31):
Well, I don't even think it has to do with
whether he's special or not. I just they have a
lot of holes to fill that all over the roster.
I wouldn't hate having the extra picks, Like, you know,
then you have we're gonna have a first round, you know,
later first round pick this year, but you also have
you'll have four picks on Day two of the draft,
and you'll have two first round picks next year. You

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know that. So you have a lot of picks to
work with, whether that's to pick players or to trade him.
It's an intriguing, right, you know, triguing possibile. I just wouldn't.
I just wouldn't. Like I don't know, last year when
you needed a quarterback, it was different. You weren't going
to trade down because you were taking a quarterback. I
don't know if any one position player moves the needle
enough for me to be completely dismissive of a trade down.

Speaker 3 (01:31:15):
I'm excited for this draft though last year it was
all right, we just want we just want Jaden Daniels
to go, you know, like like I was thinking I
wanted Drake. So it just there was really one question
because Jade Dale was going to go to Washington.

Speaker 2 (01:31:26):
Have you picked up your outfit yet for the draft? No,
we got to talk about that second quarters.

Speaker 4 (01:31:33):
You want to go out on limb like that, that's bold, it's.

Speaker 2 (01:31:37):
Help Rights and fred sis. You didn't like the watch
of mccallots. They said way back when, what kind of
snack do you in the PU team preferable? Paul and
I don't eat snacks anymore. We're off the snacks for
a little while, for a little while, so maybe Evan
and Deuce can answer the question.

Speaker 7 (01:31:51):
Yeah, I like snacks.

Speaker 4 (01:31:54):
I'm a I'm a big pretzel guy.

Speaker 7 (01:31:56):
I like pretzels.

Speaker 2 (01:31:56):
Talking about a pretzels like the kind you get at
the at the game, or like.

Speaker 10 (01:32:01):
Just no.

Speaker 4 (01:32:03):
Snyders, snyders, pretz mustard yeah, yeah, chocolate pretzels, yeah, peanut
butterful peanut butter pretzels, candy, sour packers.

Speaker 3 (01:32:16):
I love.

Speaker 2 (01:32:17):
Heard that they rot your teeth. Sour pas stuff them.

Speaker 5 (01:32:21):
They need to tell me, like a piece of like
jelly like candy, you know, coated and sugar is bad.

Speaker 2 (01:32:26):
For your teeth, but particularly sour of the sour candies
are particularly bad for the enameled.

Speaker 4 (01:32:33):
Doesn't shock me at all.

Speaker 2 (01:32:34):
I'm a big jelly belly like jelly bellies.

Speaker 5 (01:32:36):
No, I don't know from jelly bellies, little jelly.

Speaker 3 (01:32:40):
Beans, different flavors, and you you're always just playing, like
what's the flavor?

Speaker 4 (01:32:44):
You know, jelly like chocolates, that's what we're doing. I
like oreos double stuff. You gotta go, you gotta but
you know, like I have a semi addiction to oreos,
so like I have to get them in like the packs,
so that I limit myself. Need the whole thing, right
because if you gave me a whole box or sleep
of oreos there, that's it.

Speaker 2 (01:33:05):
You have to anonymous.

Speaker 4 (01:33:07):
Oh yeah, no, it's bad.

Speaker 3 (01:33:08):
My favorite, my favorite dessert of all time is this
Oreo tira Masu that they had at a bakery in
La called Sweet Lady Jane, And it was like it's
basically just whipped cream and oreos. Maybe like some custard
in there or something.

Speaker 5 (01:33:21):
It was aw basically an excuse for Deuce to continue
to tell us who used.

Speaker 7 (01:33:25):
To live in anything with Oreo closed down those Sweet
Lady Jane.

Speaker 4 (01:33:28):
And season cream ice cream regular, he says.

Speaker 2 (01:33:36):
Next Cross, Next, please put together a best of great
moments and Pew history downloads. I would pay for hours
of listening to that comedy and contentiousness while driving to
clinics and sporting and spotting severe weather out here in
the Great Plains of Colorado, lastly, and watching Door Sanders
Live and via TV. I think he is better then

(01:33:59):
you think. With the prime related publicity throw, I think
he will go top three.

Speaker 5 (01:34:04):
Well, I think he I think he could very well
go in the top three. But he's better than I think.
I feel like you guys are higher on him than
I am. I think. Don't want to drag you into
my viewpoints.

Speaker 4 (01:34:15):
The big question with Shador that I have is what
you brought up is was he making the offensive line
worse or is the offensive line making him worse? Like
if you had put him in Oregon's offense, in Texas's offense,
in LSU's offense, or whatever, would he have been lighting
at the point, you know, would he have been lighting
it up like those quarterbacks sid like bo Nix did

(01:34:36):
at Oregon because he's no one ever touches him and
he's just standing there. So in the NFL, if he
goes to a situation where they can protect him and
now he's he is clean to throw the football, I
think that there's a nice I'll say this.

Speaker 5 (01:34:50):
I hope I'm wrong about Sanders, because I think it
would be good for the league to have, you know,
especially but well see, no, I think there's there's a
little bit similar to what you're talking about. Just there's
a there's a personality sure, and I think the aura
of Dion I think there'd be some value to that
if dos Sanders end up joining you know the classroom

(01:35:14):
last year, that looks like pretty much all the guys
that played had some success, not just Daniels. That's good
for the league. All of a sudden you have an
influx of a half dozen eight or so good young
quarterbacks that already, say in three years, when you know
those the older guys are starting to get sad.

Speaker 2 (01:35:35):
You happen to catch Fanseka on TV last night, the
Brazilian tennis player I.

Speaker 5 (01:35:39):
Did not what tennis was on on a Monday night
Tennis TV.

Speaker 2 (01:35:44):
You just want it's the Miami Opens, It's a Master's
one thousand, it's.

Speaker 5 (01:35:48):
A big tomorrow. I'm not doubting that it's a big tournament.
But what I would say is the tennis channel has
to get asterisks in the ratings and somehow you're watching it.
I have one viewer, right, it's like Patriots unfiltered on TV.

Speaker 2 (01:36:04):
This kid is like a rock star. He's like the
next big thing.

Speaker 5 (01:36:08):
It No, you've you've talked this kid up and then
he went on, No, no.

Speaker 2 (01:36:12):
You're thinking about's. I don't know what happened to him.
He's falling off.

Speaker 5 (01:36:18):
Who's the guy who recently you would you were snapping?

Speaker 2 (01:36:21):
He got he moved up into the seventies in his
ranking and he got to like the quarters. I'm an
I watched the Majors a little bit. This kid French
is coming up. He's going to be the next big thing.

Speaker 4 (01:36:36):
They need the next big thing because like Djokovic is,
those guys are getting O.

Speaker 2 (01:36:40):
No, there's a lot of good young players. Although Ben Shelton,
well I can't stand center is.

Speaker 18 (01:36:44):
Saying this guy is the next superstar, which Onelli Francisco, Yeah,
I mean center, it probably is him and Alcaraz are
the best to right now.

Speaker 4 (01:36:55):
Law, I love watching that guy.

Speaker 2 (01:36:58):
Josh Atlanta.

Speaker 5 (01:37:00):
What an American.

Speaker 2 (01:37:02):
There's a lot of good Americans right now.

Speaker 5 (01:37:03):
Yeah, just good. There's no great one.

Speaker 2 (01:37:05):
Taylor Fritz.

Speaker 5 (01:37:06):
Yeah, they're good.

Speaker 2 (01:37:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:37:07):
No, they're always they're always in the no great ones. Yeah,
they're always like, you know, quarterfinals, semi final considered great.
He was really good, should have been.

Speaker 2 (01:37:16):
He won a couple of majors. But Shelton, this kid's
got one hundred and fifty.

Speaker 5 (01:37:21):
Who was the last great American men's tennis player.

Speaker 4 (01:37:24):
Race as Maybe.

Speaker 5 (01:37:28):
Yeah, probably probably Sampres. You have to go back that far. Yeah, probably, Yeah,
Agasy won a couple of majors. Sampress won like twenty Yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (01:37:36):
Would say I guess he was, you know, Hall of
Famer good.

Speaker 5 (01:37:39):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, because Sampress Mary Veronica von Uh. That
is correct, Yeah, that.

Speaker 4 (01:37:45):
Is correct, every time.

Speaker 10 (01:37:47):
Erotic.

Speaker 5 (01:37:48):
Yeah, she married the never never lived back to them
the height, but thanks thanks for listening.

Speaker 2 (01:37:54):
Never lived up to the names.

Speaker 4 (01:37:57):
I mean, I feel like that was like my generation's
Agassi Sampris.

Speaker 10 (01:38:01):
And he just it was.

Speaker 5 (01:38:04):
Like, I feel like there's more American women that are relevant. Yeah,
there's some good men who you know can win.

Speaker 2 (01:38:11):
They can this. This young kid learner ten out of Californi.
He's really good, so you know he's young.

Speaker 4 (01:38:18):
These are young people, the young people American to win
the US Open, right, like the women break through and
win everyone golf.

Speaker 2 (01:38:27):
Just one he's having trouble.

Speaker 4 (01:38:28):
Yeah, she's streaky, she's.

Speaker 5 (01:38:32):
But Madison Keys won her first major. Didn't you win
the Australian Madison Keys.

Speaker 2 (01:38:36):
I don't know. I forget.

Speaker 5 (01:38:38):
This is worse than I'm lost.

Speaker 7 (01:38:39):
When we're talking basketball, we'll get that.

Speaker 2 (01:38:42):
There's there's some good women. Yeah. On one of his shows,
Barth mentioned that the most frustrating part about the pages
drafting gently at four would be not able to see
Evans live reaction. Fred, I'm begging you find a way
to work, Alex. We will be raft day stream, even
if it's via zoom. If there's a chance Barth can

(01:39:03):
witness and comment on the unraveling of Evan Lazar, we'd
be eternally grateful. Shout out to Mike forgetting the ball
rolling on this conversation. There's a chance However, small Evan
is institutionalized if we pick genty, and that's the only
way we can justify taking a running back in round one.
So he wants to see you in a in a
institutional but a lot.

Speaker 4 (01:39:28):
But I'm going to be I'll be professional about it
and i will save my thoughts for off the air.

Speaker 5 (01:39:34):
Oh boy, see the.

Speaker 7 (01:39:35):
Real reaction that will be like you see it on Slack.
It comes through like a second early, but you're holding
it in and what.

Speaker 2 (01:39:41):
Spot's playing, you'll see it on slack.

Speaker 4 (01:39:43):
He usually does, you know, the media worker room. Angle's
not He's not gonna be live on any of the shows.
I would assume that they'll have him do spots throughout
the night.

Speaker 2 (01:39:54):
We can have him as a spot guest.

Speaker 4 (01:39:55):
Yeah, come on, absolutely sure, that's I mean, that's not
my call.

Speaker 2 (01:39:59):
You're sniff there for Framer, I'm.

Speaker 10 (01:40:07):
Everyone.

Speaker 4 (01:40:07):
He would really get a kick out of out of
the draft party. You know, that's that's right up his alley.
How cool is this?

Speaker 2 (01:40:13):
Like all these people might even actually have a beer
and lose it. Yeah, right, exactly, Okay, let's oh, Patty's
back on the line. What's up, Patty?

Speaker 9 (01:40:24):
Hey, good afternoon, gentlemen, how are you good? I got
questions for fred and and for Evan Freddy. I know
you said you're not gonna wear the Tucks, but just
in case two quarterbacks are taken in the top three,
will you at least bring the Tucks to the draft party?

Speaker 2 (01:40:40):
The no, no, no, it's it's this doesn't This isn't
a Tucks draft. This is a blue collar draft, all right?

Speaker 9 (01:40:49):
I gotcha? Fair enough? Heaven a couple of quick ones
for you and I'll take him off the air. One
of the things I don't think we ever hear about
Travis Hunter, just in case he is there. Four, is
how good of a separatory is?

Speaker 5 (01:41:02):
Then?

Speaker 9 (01:41:02):
I'm assuming that you watched the film on them, So
if you have, just how good of a separator is?

Speaker 1 (01:41:08):
The d question?

Speaker 2 (01:41:10):
Two?

Speaker 9 (01:41:10):
Out of all the guys that you've watched so far,
out of all the wide receivers, who do you think
is the best separator? And I'll take it out there, guys.

Speaker 4 (01:41:16):
Thanks, Okay, the best separator? That's a good question.

Speaker 2 (01:41:21):
So first of all, what's Travis Hunter's reputation? Good separator
or not good?

Speaker 4 (01:41:28):
I would say above average separator, great ball skills. I've
read him the catchpoint.

Speaker 2 (01:41:33):
I've seen him make moves that just leave people.

Speaker 5 (01:41:37):
In the dust.

Speaker 4 (01:41:37):
Yeah, he definitely does separate. I think he's, you know,
around the seventieth percentile separation in terms of you know,
PFF and stuff like that. He can separate like that.
It's not a concern. But I would say his best
trade is his ball skills at the catchpoint, strong hands,
you know, ability to finish through contact. The best pure
separator in the draft, I would say it's probably a

(01:42:01):
two horse race between Matthew Golden and Jalen Noel from
Iowa State. I think both those guys are probably the
best pure separators in terms of route running technicians, you know,
your lad Maconkey's, you know, those types of guys.

Speaker 6 (01:42:14):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:42:15):
Golden doesn't necessarily play to the four two nine. I
don't think he's that fast, but he's a technician and
he's a really good separated. He gets some Stefan Diggs comparisons,
you know, for ceiling comparisons, so he definitely gets open.

Speaker 3 (01:42:28):
So I just don't think we talk much about like
what is Travis Hunter's ceiling as a receiver. As he
learns to run routes and learns the nuance of it
and really drills down on it.

Speaker 6 (01:42:36):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:42:36):
It's one thing to look at him beating everybody, like
you guys said earlier, as a pure athlete, but when
he really becomes a polished wide receiver, like what does
that look like? And that's something you know, you don't
really there's a projection there. Even though he's an elite athlete,
there's a projection there.

Speaker 4 (01:42:50):
And he's only twenty one years old.

Speaker 2 (01:42:52):
Well, like Kevin said, in college, he didn't focus on
wide receiver, right, So he's.

Speaker 3 (01:42:57):
Just out there beating guys on pure, pure skills and
speed and explosiveness, not the lab McConkey, who isn't going
to set the world on fire with his testing them,
but knows the little head dip and the little head
you know, and is able to with subtle movements by
himself separation.

Speaker 4 (01:43:12):
Yeah, I mean, he put up twelve hundred yards and
sixteen touchdowns on vibes like basically just being the best
player on the field. So now imagine we sprinkle in
some development and some some you know, wide receiver special
work like working on releases, working on the top of
the route, like all those different things, all of a sudden.
I think it's special the ceiling.

Speaker 3 (01:43:33):
Him and Drake late in the down, Drake scrambling a
little bit. All of a sudden you get Travis Hunter
cooking through the middle of the field.

Speaker 4 (01:43:40):
Now you're sticking my language.

Speaker 2 (01:43:42):
Eldred's is in North Carolina. Hey, Aldred, Biggie, Hey, all right,
I gotta quint.

Speaker 12 (01:43:52):
And like I said, there a duke car take them,
take them.

Speaker 19 (01:43:59):
They didn't trade him in the first round.

Speaker 20 (01:44:01):
Get a tackle.

Speaker 12 (01:44:03):
But I know everybody won't.

Speaker 20 (01:44:06):
Joe Milton gone.

Speaker 19 (01:44:07):
So why is everybody, including Brian Hole, keep wanting to
get drafted?

Speaker 20 (01:44:12):
Want to sit them out, you know, and we need
to pack up. I know, but we got job, but
I wouldn't trust jobs.

Speaker 12 (01:44:17):
I don't have Milton back there backing up, mate.

Speaker 20 (01:44:21):
Can anybody have that fortune?

Speaker 12 (01:44:22):
Take it off there?

Speaker 2 (01:44:23):
Okay, all right, thanks, thanks as got to get back
to truck.

Speaker 3 (01:44:26):
If anybody wants to get rid of them, I just
think they might have er plus asset that you might
be able to get something significant. I don't necessarily, but
we don't necessarily think you're going to get something super significant.

Speaker 5 (01:44:36):
But yeah, but I think people that are interested in
trading Milton think they're going to get it like a
second or third round.

Speaker 2 (01:44:42):
Yeah. I think only they want to trade him if
they get something really good.

Speaker 5 (01:44:46):
Right, Yeah, what is the Brian Hoyer that I miss?

Speaker 3 (01:44:49):
Brian?

Speaker 4 (01:44:50):
He must have said something on a podcast.

Speaker 3 (01:44:51):
Oh okay, you can't trade that guy.

Speaker 10 (01:44:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:44:55):
I would keep him because if if you think that
there might be some potential there, then you hold on
to him and you have him as a cheap backup.

Speaker 2 (01:45:05):
And then will this be the most anticipated preseason and
Hatred's recent history? No?

Speaker 5 (01:45:10):
Last year was you have the third overall pick and
you couldn't wait to see him play?

Speaker 2 (01:45:14):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:45:16):
Right, it's gonna be cool too. But what if what
if he had a really good preseason?

Speaker 2 (01:45:22):
Joe Milton?

Speaker 5 (01:45:22):
Yeah, you might be able to might be a pump
his value.

Speaker 2 (01:45:26):
That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (01:45:27):
That's what I'm saying too.

Speaker 3 (01:45:30):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:45:30):
Marks in Connecticut? What's up? Mark?

Speaker 3 (01:45:34):
Paul?

Speaker 13 (01:45:34):
I hope you had a good vacation.

Speaker 5 (01:45:36):
I did, thank you. I know the whole show.

Speaker 11 (01:45:40):
Did I need you or.

Speaker 12 (01:45:43):
Any of you guys to answer this question? We're talking,
you know, half an inch on a guy's arm. It
doesn't make any sense to me. Will Campbell, you don't
block with your arms out, you block with your hands in. No,
So what I don't understand is why is it that
we're talking about a half an inch if the guy's
gonna play tackle a ard.

Speaker 2 (01:46:04):
Well that your your your premise is incorrect. When at
when you're out the outside of the line, your reach
does matter because you you start that way with that
initial punch, so you're you, you don't want to get
the guy close in. If you're a center a guard,
it's that's not as important. But when you're out there
on that island, you do need to get your arm

(01:46:26):
out and keep the distance between the rusher and you
because if they get close in, then they use your
own leverage against you.

Speaker 12 (01:46:35):
What is that quarter to what happened? It's really going
to make a difference.

Speaker 2 (01:46:37):
Well that's the question. That's the question.

Speaker 5 (01:46:40):
You know it could. Yeah, NFL coaches believe it.

Speaker 2 (01:46:44):
Okay, thanks, And.

Speaker 4 (01:46:45):
It's not just like a quarter or a half Inchury
have to keep like he's below the threshold that was
reset right already. So he used to be thirty four inches,
then they reset it to thirty three and now he's
even below that threshold, right, So we're not really talking
about more like an inch or to an inch and
a half that he of ideal armleights, like thirty four

(01:47:05):
is still ideal. You just feel like you can get
away with thirty three.

Speaker 5 (01:47:09):
And you know the Dante party was.

Speaker 2 (01:47:11):
The greatest left tackle with short arms of all time.

Speaker 4 (01:47:15):
Well, Joe Thomas had short arms. And you know he
always comes out this time of year and tries to
advocate for the short arms.

Speaker 2 (01:47:23):
But what does that mean short?

Speaker 4 (01:47:24):
I want to say thirty three and a half? You
know something. You know he was in the thirty three
OK range, but he wasn't overly long, like he didn't
have like Tyron Smith's level length, you know, and he's
maybe the best left tackle of all time.

Speaker 5 (01:47:39):
I might be interested in Dante who says that this
guy can play tackle if that is accurate with the
emailer before said attributed to Dante, and I would I
would that would wait, that would mean a lot to me,
you know what done Dante feels. But I'm not interested
in having a tackle who can play tackle with the
fourth pick. I want that tackle to be a dominant tackle.

(01:47:59):
If I'm going to take him fourth, I want Trent Williams,
you know, I want like a top and high. You know,
someone brought up the fact that you know where I
think it was Randy, that we're overlooking a little bit
the problems with the short arms. Look at what Joe
Toney did. Joe Toney can clearly play tackle in the NFL.
He got beaten badly in the Super Bowl, but he

(01:48:22):
played at an acceptable level prior to that. But there
is limitations that come with your body type, and you
saw that in the Super Bowl. I don't want that
with the fourth overall pick. I don't want a guy
who can get by because he's good enough to get by,
but he's going to get victimized from time to time
because his arms are too short. I'm going to use

(01:48:42):
the fourth overall pick on him.

Speaker 4 (01:48:43):
I think all these guys have that though, Like I,
if you're not getting those two top guys, like you're
you're picking from flawed options Like Ted McMillan is not
a typical top five receiver. You know, Mason Graham's undersized, well,
Campbell's undersize like you know.

Speaker 5 (01:48:59):
It just you So it's a problem.

Speaker 4 (01:49:01):
It's picked the lesser of the evils, Like which one
would you rather? Like, I'm with you if Joe Thomas
was in this draft, then obviously we'd be running the
card up there at four overall. But that player doesn't
exist necessarily in this draft outside of those top two guys.
So it's just what you have to pick your poison
a little bit with this class of what would you
rather live with?

Speaker 5 (01:49:20):
Not an easy choice they're gonna have to weigh. I
would say anywhere between a half dozen to a dozen
guys that I think, as Evan said earlier in the show,
you could talk yourself into.

Speaker 2 (01:49:29):
Yeah, Bill in San Diego, says Paul exclamations. Agassy won
eight majors, four Aussi's, two US, one Wimbledon, one French,
plus he won a gold medal. Sampress won fourteen, but
no French, no gold medals. Agassy was a much more
rounded player.

Speaker 5 (01:49:47):
That'sampers is a vastly superior player at August.

Speaker 2 (01:49:50):
Sampress couldn't win on slower surfaces.

Speaker 5 (01:49:52):
That's like Sampress is a better player than Agassy. As
the tennis expert. Please, well, I.

Speaker 2 (01:49:58):
Think on those majors he certainly was, but he never
won on clay. So but then again, Borg never won
the US.

Speaker 5 (01:50:05):
Open, so does that mean he wasn't that good. There's
a lot of guys that are more suited, like to
individual services.

Speaker 4 (01:50:11):
But I feel like, if you can't win on clay, Paul,
then how good are you?

Speaker 5 (01:50:15):
I think it's the opposite. I think clay is the neutral.
I think because Sampras was so much better, the clay
slowed him down. Yeah, and he had a hard time.
I think winning on grass or like the hard course
is more impressive than clay. Now they're all great, I
mean I'm not. You know, like Rafael on the dollar
won how many frenches a million? Like approximately, he's one

(01:50:38):
of the one of the handful of greatest tennis players
ever five maybe, and he won how many clays? How
many on french tons?

Speaker 2 (01:50:46):
He was the ten yeah right, yeah, but he also
wanted the US Open, right, you know.

Speaker 5 (01:50:51):
I just I feel like Sampras was a far better
player than I think Agasy was a lot of flash.
Oh no, there was a lot of fun. He was good.

Speaker 3 (01:50:59):
He was good.

Speaker 5 (01:51:00):
He was Sampras is one of the all time great.

Speaker 2 (01:51:02):
Agassy was one of the best returners ever. He ever.

Speaker 5 (01:51:05):
I just don't think he was just going to sanprs
he does. I don't think that means he don't say
he was flash. He was about flash.

Speaker 2 (01:51:13):
Why because he had a wig. You know, he wore
a wig.

Speaker 5 (01:51:15):
He wore a wig, and he had high profile marriages.

Speaker 2 (01:51:19):
Back then he was a little bit. He's turned his
life around.

Speaker 4 (01:51:23):
I got I'm gonna have that with tennis players, you
gotta have some bizaz like it's not that's why you
know Roger Feederer, you know, like awesome players like fred
I like I didn't eat was she.

Speaker 3 (01:51:36):
And anything less would be uncivilized? Was that an Angasy?
What was Agassy's big ads? He used to do.

Speaker 2 (01:51:41):
Agassy's big ads? He probably had something.

Speaker 5 (01:51:44):
I'm thinking he had a lot of them. Didn't think
he had like a commercial married for a long time.
He was with Brookshields before that.

Speaker 2 (01:51:52):
Those kids, those kids made it play some tennis Agasy.

Speaker 5 (01:51:55):
And they've been married for a while. They actually do pickleball. Now, yeah,
I know you probably don't want it like that at all.
You don't like the pickle just brushing it and pickle ball, well,
they play against other former like there.

Speaker 7 (01:52:06):
Was Macelnoy to watch Agasy like just kind of you know,
you can't.

Speaker 5 (01:52:14):
Smash each other.

Speaker 2 (01:52:16):
They were watching Agacy came Agassy had the big.

Speaker 5 (01:52:19):
You know he's talking about what he's talking about Pickle,
But they smashed at each other. Watch but the balls
it doesn't go as fast, but they smashed it.

Speaker 4 (01:52:30):
Fred's discussed for pickles.

Speaker 5 (01:52:33):
Why throw the bus on that?

Speaker 2 (01:52:35):
Watch the good It can be a fast game. It's
very you know quick.

Speaker 5 (01:52:39):
And I know you're right about Agassy he was. He
was great too. I just think Sanprus was a better player.

Speaker 2 (01:52:44):
That's fine.

Speaker 5 (01:52:45):
And I think it was not really close. Flouteen to
eight to me is not close. That's double them up now,
that's close.

Speaker 4 (01:52:53):
It's definitely not close.

Speaker 2 (01:52:56):
Not close game for Paul. Given that Paul said that
he wouldn't pick Matt Light at number four, even given
his solid career with the Patriots, which of these players
would Paul pick at number four? I just had a gyro.
You let me be, I might need a bib. Which
of these players would Paul pick at number four? Knowing

(01:53:17):
their career path? The caveat is that you either picked
them at four or you lose them ty law, I
take Tylard for Rodney Harrison.

Speaker 5 (01:53:28):
Take Tyler Rodney Harrison at four, but have a little biasedness.
They're not gonna lie.

Speaker 2 (01:53:32):
Favorite guy Vince Wilfork no, Logan Mankins no, Gronk yes, yes,
mccordy no, Wes Welker no, and lastly Drew Bledsoe Yeah, yes, okay.

Speaker 5 (01:53:49):
One first, or take him at one.

Speaker 3 (01:53:51):
Okay, that's I'm pretty lotched up with you on those ones.

Speaker 5 (01:53:54):
That's a great game. That's a great game. Obviously I
would take all of those guys. They were all fantas
astic draft picks.

Speaker 3 (01:54:01):
But overall, you know, you can get another nose tackles,
you can find the slot receiver.

Speaker 5 (01:54:05):
He left one off there going in the way back machine.
Who I actually think was chosen with the fourth overall selection,
John Hannah.

Speaker 3 (01:54:12):
Ye, different game back then different got a running.

Speaker 5 (01:54:15):
Correct correct always cover your back, right, But I.

Speaker 3 (01:54:23):
Skinless Chicken, the same thing.

Speaker 4 (01:54:25):
But see, I think if it was just you got
to adjust to this draft, like Matt Light at four
overall in this draft might not be a bad pick.

Speaker 5 (01:54:34):
Which is exposing me for being a little bit Paul
stubborn and not necessarily taking that into consideration. Yeah, you
guys are probably right. The email clearly had an opinion.
I think Evan same thing. Yeah, I probably would have
to take Matt Light at four in this draft right,
in this draft, in this draft, right. So I was
probably a little bit rash.

Speaker 2 (01:54:55):
With that Jake and Melbourne Australia twelve months on. Knowing
what we know about the top three quarterbacks from last
year's draft, who would each of the PU crew take
if starting their own team. I think his upsides more
than Drake May Yep, you do. Yeah, you don't think
we've seen what we're going to see out of Jayden Daniels.

(01:55:20):
In other words, better is he gonna get?

Speaker 5 (01:55:23):
I think he'll get better as he gets experience ridiculously
high level and it's not like he was along for
the ride. It wasn't like a mac Jones in twenty
one where he was handing the ball off and throwing
three yard passes.

Speaker 4 (01:55:37):
You can make a case he was a top five
quarterback in the league as a rookie, which is crazy.

Speaker 5 (01:55:42):
He was a large part of the reason that they
were winning.

Speaker 2 (01:55:47):
H Nicholas from Oslo, Norway. If the Patriots signed Tyron
Smith to a one year contract and kick the can
down the road on left tackle, do next year's prospects
look better than this year's.

Speaker 3 (01:55:58):
Oh boy, it's.

Speaker 4 (01:55:58):
Always tough to do that. It's you know, you have
a whole another college football season to go, so I
couldn't say definitively. I know it's supposed to be a
little bit of a better receiver class next year, but
not by much. Really. The receiver class everybody's waiting for
is two years from now and Jeremiah Smith and Williams
come out.

Speaker 5 (01:56:16):
So the two like seventeen year old freshman.

Speaker 4 (01:56:19):
Yeah, I think it's you know, it's too soon to tell.

Speaker 5 (01:56:23):
What do we think of Tyrone Smith?

Speaker 2 (01:56:25):
I like him.

Speaker 5 (01:56:26):
I wanted them last year.

Speaker 2 (01:56:27):
Yeah, I like him for one year.

Speaker 5 (01:56:29):
Ye didn't everybody tell me he refused to talk to
them last year.

Speaker 3 (01:56:32):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:56:32):
Oh I didn't hear that.

Speaker 5 (01:56:34):
I didn't hear you signed him this year.

Speaker 2 (01:56:37):
But I like him this year. But you know, it's
not my money, and they have a lot of it.
But I wouldn't go over twelve million for him, you know.
And I heard it's looking for like eighteen maybe it's
going on.

Speaker 5 (01:56:51):
So just to play devil's advocate, like, what would your
rationale be for not wanting to give him six more million?

Speaker 2 (01:56:58):
Locker room culture paying him so much, and then we're
going to say that a lot he's gonna he's going
to practice two days a week.

Speaker 5 (01:57:04):
And but is that a lot eighteen million for a
starting left tackle.

Speaker 2 (01:57:09):
Well, he's not. He's probably not gonna play every game,
you know that.

Speaker 5 (01:57:12):
Okay, Well, what if he plays fourteen games? Then I
have to maybe recon Morgan Moses.

Speaker 2 (01:57:18):
Yeah, I don't. I think Morgan Moses is more durable.

Speaker 4 (01:57:23):
It's probably fair.

Speaker 5 (01:57:24):
Yeah, I think at this stage of your career, you're
probably not expecting seventeen guys.

Speaker 2 (01:57:28):
You don't want to make to manage both. But Tyron Smith,
he's been breaking.

Speaker 5 (01:57:32):
Down absolutely, You're right. Yeah, I would take him, And
I love you know that much. I love I know,
I know you do. I would take him in a blank.
I would have taken him last year. I think they
made a mistake not going after him last year. And
didn't you only get like fifteen million last year?

Speaker 4 (01:57:43):
Yeah, a lot of his deal last year was incentively
and based off of how many games he played, you
know that sort of stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:57:49):
So, okay, I'm willing to do that.

Speaker 5 (01:57:51):
I like the emailer's plan.

Speaker 2 (01:57:53):
If he's willing to do an incentive laden contract, let's go.

Speaker 5 (01:57:56):
Well, I just give him the money. They have the money.
What are we saving it for him?

Speaker 4 (01:58:00):
Be the only thing that's left for him. You know,
if he had a contract that was full of guaranteed money,
I'm sure he would be signed already.

Speaker 5 (01:58:05):
Yeah, I would take him. You want to talk about
pro to he wants to go to a contender he is,
He's the guy. I would take him in a blink.

Speaker 2 (01:58:13):
He was made in a lab Gary from Harvard, the town,
not the school. For anyone who wants to see any
pick trade, I have a question. Should the Patriots propose
it before the draft starts or wait to see if
anyone offers a better haul once the Patriots are on
the clock. Obviously, trading down early risks missing out on
a blue chip if two quarterbacks go in the top three.

(01:58:33):
But there are risks in waiting too. All desirable players
are gone, and and one wants to trade, and best
partners do some other trades that disables this one. So
he's talking about strategy. When do you trade picks? What's
the best time.

Speaker 3 (01:58:46):
I think he got to wait with those with Carter
and Hunter, potentially even it's out there that they might fall,
I think he got a wait to see.

Speaker 5 (01:58:53):
I would agree with Mike, and I think in general terms,
the teams have an idea of what's going to happen
that we don't know. They have intel on that.

Speaker 3 (01:59:01):
Well, they've all been talking already, right, And I would.

Speaker 5 (01:59:03):
Think that you get the groundwork for a trade done
ahead of time, but I wouldn't do it until them.

Speaker 2 (01:59:08):
One of the most hated callers is on the line,
Christian from La Christian.

Speaker 19 (01:59:14):
I know right, Christian, I have become the guy that
people want to respond to directly, like the JABRONI last week.

Speaker 20 (01:59:21):
Or who with the hammer?

Speaker 2 (01:59:22):
And who the Briggs?

Speaker 3 (01:59:23):
You know what?

Speaker 13 (01:59:24):
What's going on?

Speaker 14 (01:59:25):
Guys?

Speaker 2 (01:59:26):
How you doing? Heay?

Speaker 20 (01:59:28):
So here's the thing that my friend was talking yesterday,
and we said, if we took the Patriots teams that
at least made the NFC Championship, and we put togeler
a tournament of just those teams, which team do you
guys think would come out top of the car. You
can't obviously say, you know, the undefeated team besides the

(01:59:49):
defeated team, which team if we bracketed all the Patriots
teams that made the the AFC Championship, which team do
you guys think would come on top?

Speaker 4 (01:59:57):
Why can't you pick the undefeated team.

Speaker 5 (01:59:59):
You're picking team you won, right, Well, okay, four? Are
you asking who I think the best team was that
they never had is two thousand and four. In my opinion,
it's not so much.

Speaker 20 (02:00:07):
About the best team sometimes, right, it's about the team
that would win the game based on styles like some
teams we have more.

Speaker 5 (02:00:13):
Two thousand and four. Yeah, four could win anyway anyway
they want.

Speaker 2 (02:00:16):
They once and they could beat you with defense. They
beat you with yours and they were well rounded, like
Andre Agassy, they were well, they.

Speaker 5 (02:00:23):
Were well rounded, but not as good as Pete Sampers.

Speaker 2 (02:00:25):
I'm not as good as seven. I take they were
better than seven Pete Samples was better than seven. Four
team Agassy Yeah better than seven?

Speaker 19 (02:00:33):
Yepte?

Speaker 2 (02:00:36):
Who's on first?

Speaker 19 (02:00:37):
I got who's the one team?

Speaker 2 (02:00:40):
Who's the one team?

Speaker 3 (02:00:42):
Uh?

Speaker 5 (02:00:42):
They're in the playing tournament with the eighteen team.

Speaker 2 (02:00:45):
Yeah, there you go.

Speaker 19 (02:00:48):
But so this thing, you guys know people that directly
better than Augusty just because of records, Like we all
know people people viewed Aaron Rodgers as the best quarterback
basically ever, mechanically and gil wise, although Tom Brady is
the best because he has the most championships, right, No, I.

Speaker 5 (02:01:07):
Think Brady is a better player, Like in those all
those things that you're talking about count and when you're
categorizing a player, how they play in the clutch, how
they come from behind, how they lead their teams. That
that all counts. And Brady's better than Rogers and all
those regards. Now, if you want to say best passer,
then you might have an argument that Rogers is the best.

Speaker 2 (02:01:26):
Now you're talking about like Rogers and Marino.

Speaker 5 (02:01:29):
Right, they might. They might throw the ball physically better
than Brady George. They're not better quarterbacks than Braid. I
don't think a lot of people think Rogers is a
better quarterback than see Jeff George throw good looking, seriously
Joe Milton esque, unbelievable, Jeff George.

Speaker 2 (02:01:46):
Thanks Christian, we got to Gotriots two one.

Speaker 5 (02:01:51):
There's an argument for that.

Speaker 2 (02:01:52):
Thanks everyone for listening today, Watching Catch twenty two tomorrow
at noon tomorrow.

Speaker 5 (02:01:57):
Visit this tournament on Thursday.

Speaker 2 (02:02:00):
What tournament?

Speaker 5 (02:02:00):
This Patriots tournament that Christian just came up with.

Speaker 2 (02:02:03):
All right, yeah, and relating it to tennis or not?

Speaker 5 (02:02:05):
Maybe okay, Agacy was better than the tournament than Sampres.

Speaker 2 (02:02:10):
Okay, okay, all right, we'll talk about that on Thursday.
Maybe see you then.

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