Patriots Unfiltered 3/27: Reported Diggs Signing, Will Campbell's Measurements, NFL Draft Talk

Tune-in as the PU Crew share their reactions to the report that the Patriots are signing four-time Pro Bowl WR Stefon Diggs to a 3-year $69 million deal. Should that change New England's strategy going into the draft, and how do we envision Diggs fitting into McDaniel's offense. Plus, we debate whether the Will Campbell arm length debacle should effect his draft stock, and talk more NFL Draft!

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about the arms. Right now, there's a lot of scuttle
butte about the arms. And I'm being dead serious at
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think that he can play with those, what is it
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Thirty two or sorry, thirty two.

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Speaker 3 (01:31):
All right, welcome the Patriots Unfiltered. It is Thursday here
at Chills Stadium, and uh news broke after our show
on Tuesday, and of course everyone knows about it by now.
Stefan Diggs is the newest member of the New England Patriots.
Of course we're gonna dive into that, talk about it.
I got a feeling tomorrow we're gonna get our first

(01:53):
look at Stefan Diggs in person as a Patriot, So
look forward to that. A bunch of content coming to
you on Patriots dot Com and Patriots social media tomorrow.
So we'll deal with that tomorrow. But today we get
to talk about it. It's Evan, it's Paul, it's Deuce,
it's Alex, it's me, it's Matt and Nabooth. We're all
here for the next two hours talking Patriots. Of course,

(02:15):
we're gonna dive into the draft we'll dive into free
agency and Stefan Diggs and anything else you want to
talk about. It's Thursday in the offseason, so anything can
happen here. So guys, opening thoughts.

Speaker 4 (02:29):
I think I have to go first. I feel a
little like a Florida Panthers fan, like after you got
Brad Marsham and you're like, I always liked him on
my team. I mean, you know, I feel like that's
a little bit of what I'm going through. Look, I
was a little apprehensive about Stefan Diggs, and I mean,
I don't think you need to go through what you know,
some of his I don't know if you could call
him issues, but you know, just some of the things
that have popped up with him kind of being a

(02:49):
devil wide receiver, which let's face it, a lot of
them are. So Yeah, that part of it concerns me
a little bit, but I think there's no question that
this player, it makes this room better, and then they
needed it down deperately. I don't know if he's the
leader to come in and get everybody in line, but
I do think that his his intensity, his focus on
the game, you know, the nuance of his route running,

(03:11):
how good. He's gotten at it. He clearly works at
his craft, and my hope is that he will set
the tone whether he's not you know, hey, tomorrow, Douglas,
let's go out for drinks, right, you know, trying to
be like that guy. I don't know if he's going
to be that warm and fuzzy guy. I don't necessarily
need him to be, but I just need him to
kind of set the bar for this wide receiver room
and show them what it looks like when you have
attention to detail and you're on top of everything at

(03:32):
all times. So I'm hopeful. I'm excited to watch him play. Look,
he's dynamite on the field, there's no you know that
that didn't take much adjustment. But it's like any of
those players, like, well, you're a hockey fan, you watch
Brad Marshall and you're like, I hate that guy. But
we'll see how he is now that we get again.

Speaker 3 (03:45):
I don't think Dig's gonna be licking people, hopefully not
not me at least that's a marsh On thing for
people who aren't from Boston.

Speaker 6 (03:58):
Time. Yeah, you feel the same way.

Speaker 5 (04:02):
I didn't necessarily have the hatred for Diggs that deuce did.
I feel like by the time he got to Buffalo,
the Patriots were kind of going this way and the
Bills are going that way, so I didn't necessarily feel
the same way. But I think the thing that's most
appealing to me is imagining him with Josh McDaniels in
all the different ways that Josh McDaniels is going to

(04:23):
get him open within the offense. I don't anticipate that
they're just gonna glose to Von Diggs to the boundary
and have him just run routes out there. I think
they are going to move him a lot around a
lot and have him be a chess piece and really
an engine of this offense. You look at his numbers
over the last couple of years, he's really turned into
a first and second level route runner. He's a short

(04:45):
and intermediate guy. He's a chain mover. I wouldn't necessarily
say the big plays are there anymore from where they
were in Minnesota in his early career in Buffalo, but
now he's really one of those guys that can really
be an engine of an offense, and I think that's
what they needed. They needed a high volume player, and
I think they got on with him.

Speaker 6 (05:04):
Yeah, I love the idea of the pick. I think
we talked about it on Tuesday. I would absolutely and
I wanted to bring him in for a multi year deal.
I was not interested in a one year deal. And
I know this is probably not a three year, sixty
nine million dollar deal. We all know that, and we
all know how these numbers can be deceptive. But the
stuff that Evan talked about is what I think Drake,

(05:27):
Drake may really needs is a guy who can consistently
move the chains. When I've got to have a play
comes up, where are you going to look? You're going
to look to him. I think it's asked an awful
lot of Hunter Henry to do that constantly last year.
Diggs is I think far more suited for that. You know,
that's what he is now. He's probably like a ten
yard per catch kind of guy. The last two seasons

(05:47):
that he played, his numbers have dropped precipitously, not receptions,
the receptions. He was on board for another one hundred
catch season last year in Houston, but the yards per
catch had dropped from about fourteen to ten over the
last three seasons. You know, his last year in Buffalo
his year in Houston. So that's what Evan said. He
is is probably what you're going to see. What I

(06:09):
like about him is I don't necessarily have to rely
on Josh McDaniels to get him open. He's going to
get himself open. He's provided that he's healthy. He's an
exceptional route runner. My only concern is his health. Mike.
I don't have any concern whatsoever about the diva nature.
That's what quarterbacks have to deal with. If Drake May
felt like he was going to go through his career
without some big personality wide receiver breathing down his neck

(06:31):
about his touches, right, he was deceiving himself. I say
this all the time. That's a group of one. Larry
Fitzgerald is the only exceptional wide receiver I can even
think of that never worried about his touches or anything
other than winning. All these other guys, even the ones
with great reputation. Terry McLaurin is the guy with an
exceptional reputation in Washington. He bitched. That's just what these

(06:55):
guys do, So I'm not worried about that. I think
this is a great signing, provided that he's healthy. Alex,
and Alex has to be excited about it for far
different reasons.

Speaker 2 (07:03):
I am excited about it. I don't know if the
Cardi B relationship is a real thing or if that's
just social media fodder. But yeah, to all you guys's points,
I think I think you need a diva wide receiver.
I think it's good for that room. And I don't
think we're coming in like to do this point that
we're not asking him to be that like boy scout leader.
I think kind of mc collins can fall into that role, right,

(07:26):
and then Diggs can be a leader with just his
play on the field elevating everyone else. So I'm really excited.
I hope he comes in with a chip on his shoulder,
ready to prove a lot of people wrong. And I
don't know the injury thing, obviously concerned, but modern medicine
and the stuff these guys do to take care of
their bodies these days, I think it's different.

Speaker 3 (07:45):
Yeah, I'm with Paul. The only thing I'm worried about
is his health, Like how is he going to be
And it's not just a physical thing when you have
those type of injuries, it's mental. It's like that's the
part can I cut as hard as I did before?
And you know that's a big part of it, is
the route running. And if that's fine, then this is
all positive to me. He's gonna show these guys how

(08:07):
to run a route, how to how to be a
receiver in the NFL, and and he's not. I don't
think he's gonna have much to bitch about because he's
gonna get a lot of touches on this office.

Speaker 6 (08:17):
But I'm just gonna prepare everybody. He led the league
in touches I believe three seasons to targets. I'm sorry,
not touches targets three years in a row, and was
still constantly whining about it. So just be prepared, and
it's okay, Like I don't. Mike and I have sort
of argued about Diggs specifically on pre and post game

(08:38):
shows for years, like I don't care, Like it's you know,
I hate to credit my shows with Veelger and Maz,
but bring me the a hole, Like I want the
talented guy, and I want the guy even if he's
causing some priduze as long as he's like if the goal,
as long as the goal was winning. Yeah, that's all
I care about. Like everybody said that Randy Moss didn't

(08:59):
want play football anymore because he was selfish. But all
we wanted to do was get to a situation where
he could win. And I think Diggs is, you know,
sort of one of those guys. He's gonna he's gonna
complain if he's not getting targeted, especially if they're not winning.

Speaker 4 (09:14):
Yes, yeah, I'd say one more point to that, to
just that I like I like Rabel. I like Rabel
being the guy it's gonna deal with that. But that's
he put the words out of my mouth. I trust
Mike Rabel wouldn't let these things boil over into being
an issue, and that's let him be him, let him
play the way that he wants to play. But I

(09:35):
I just trust Mike Rabel in the way that I
think he's going to manage this team that will.

Speaker 3 (09:39):
Now here's the thing, and I agree with you. I
think I'd be a little more concerned if this happened
last year with Mayo a little bit less control. I
think you'll see the control here now, certainly in terms
of locker room guys. I think we've we have more

(10:00):
them on the defensive side of the ball right now
than we do on the offensive side of the ball.
But Josh McDaniels, I think, is a guy who's gonna,
I think, set the tone. I said, I think Josh
McDaniels is going to set the tone for the offense,
and certainly he has the credentials when it comes to

(10:20):
running an offense. I think Diggs was going to respect that,
and all the rest of the guys are going to
respect that. And then I think all the wide receiver
is going to respect Diggs because, like I said, he
is a professional when it comes to being a receiver
in the NFL. So's if he's healthy both mentally and physically,
then let's go.

Speaker 4 (10:39):
Yeah, I want to go. I want to hear what
he has to say, though, I you know, what was
it about New England and can he shine it on
a little bit and to make us think like that
he likes what they're building here or was it just
about this was the biggest This was the biggest and
best offer and that's what he took. I mean, you know,
of course that's probably what mostly it is. But I'd
like to have him flirt with me a little bit
and be like, no, I'm so I.

Speaker 6 (11:00):
Want last year.

Speaker 3 (11:02):
No, I want, I want to play with him.

Speaker 6 (11:04):
I want.

Speaker 3 (11:04):
I wanted to stand up there. I talked to coach Rabel,
I could talk to Josh McDaniels. They excited about what
they have in store and and what they're gonna what
their vision is of the offense. They told me that
they want me to be you know.

Speaker 6 (11:17):
You know, I have some bridges to sell. They are interested.

Speaker 3 (11:20):
They told me they want me to be, you know,
the integral part of the offense, you know, in his words,
I expect to hear something like that.

Speaker 4 (11:29):
I hope.

Speaker 6 (11:29):
So, yeah, I'm only eleven minutes in. I'm going to
be good.

Speaker 5 (11:33):
I feel like some of the diva stuff. And maybe
you guys can point to exact anecdotes of what you're
talking about necessarily because that's that's Minnesota. Like, let's just
put these all in context, right, Like Minnesota, he needed
a new contract and and the Vikings decided to keep
Adam Feeling and trades to Von Diggs and then draft

(11:55):
Justin Jefferson, like they decided to just go into a
different direction with their team. And then in Buffalo they
they underachieved, Like that team was talented enough to win
a Super Bowl, and they got bounced in the divisional
round by the Beagles.

Speaker 6 (12:08):
Because he dropped a bomb with the game on the line.

Speaker 5 (12:11):
Okay, I mean he made a bad play, Like I.

Speaker 6 (12:12):
Are gonna say. If they're gonna bitch about getting the
most targets in football, you need to produce when you're targeted.
He was always bitching that he wasn't getting the ball
thrown when they were losing games.

Speaker 3 (12:25):
When they were losing, Evan, is true.

Speaker 6 (12:26):
Evan's exactly right. They underachieved, but they didn't win.

Speaker 3 (12:29):
But is that true.

Speaker 6 (12:30):
I don't led the league in targets, that's true.

Speaker 5 (12:32):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (12:34):
But but but you just said that that's not what
he was bitching about. He was bitching about not getting
the ball when they were losing.

Speaker 6 (12:41):
They're getting He was bitching about not getting the ball always.

Speaker 3 (12:44):
Is that true?

Speaker 6 (12:45):
Yes? Okay, Okay, we can all put I didn't make
it to twelve minutes. We can all pretend those things
didn't happen.

Speaker 3 (12:51):
No, No, but I want to I want to narrow.

Speaker 6 (12:53):
I don't care. I just want to be on record.
I don't care that he complaints and wants the ball.

Speaker 3 (12:57):
I think we owe it.

Speaker 6 (12:58):
I think that's what good receivers do.

Speaker 3 (12:59):
I want to know exactly what he was bitching about.
Did he have a case or was he just being a.

Speaker 6 (13:04):
Deep I don't know. Talk to Josh Allen.

Speaker 5 (13:07):
He obviously has some deva qualities, like any receiver of
his caliber would have. I'm not like trying to say
that he doesn't. I just think that in all these situations,
there was, you know, real reasons as to why he.

Speaker 6 (13:18):
Pat now, so we have to say it was Okay,
I just want to pay with that because I've never
had a problem with him bitching about That's like, I
just don't understand.

Speaker 5 (13:27):
So in Buffalo, right, they lose and the divisional.

Speaker 6 (13:31):
Intentionally got worse to get rid of him. What does
that tell you?

Speaker 5 (13:34):
Okay, can you let me finish? In Buffalo? He lost, right,
they lost the game, okay, And the reporting out of him, Okay,
the reporting out of Buffalo was that they didn't think
that the quarterback was as locked in as he should
be on football at the time.

Speaker 6 (13:50):
Just so as the guy that last year said that
he was exceptional with the young receivers wasn't interested in
retaining him. Okay, I like, I'm just by facts. I'm
not going by stories. I'm going by the facts as
they've been presented. Like he led the league in targets
and planned, he wasn't getting targeted enough. That's a fact.
Whether it's Josh Allen was not, I don't know if

(14:13):
that's a fact, Josh Allen not being focused. Well, he
has digs aciety of the story.

Speaker 3 (14:17):
But is the fact that he led the league in
target but and he was bitching about not getting targeted
at times at a certain times.

Speaker 6 (14:26):
All the time for three full years, and Josh Allen
had had enough of it, and I think that they
had a falling out. I think what Evan's saying is right.
There was a rift between Allen and Diggs. And I'm
not telling you Allen's right because I don't know who
was right. I'm not I'm not close enough to the situation.
I just want I just want to repeat I don't
care that he wants the ball. I think good receivers

(14:48):
want the ball. That doesn't bother me at all, And
it doesn't. It didn't bother me when he wasn't a patriot,
and it's not going to bother me if he does
it as a patriot. I think that they needed this
move because of the death situation that that room is in. Yeah,
and I needed a receiver and now they have one.

Speaker 3 (15:04):
And I agree with you, Like if if they think
that Drake May was going to go through his career
and not have to deal with something like this and
not saying you're going to and it hasn't happened yet,
so you may not, but like he has to be
able to deal with that, whether it's Stefan Diggs or
Kendrick Bourne or whoever.

Speaker 6 (15:22):
And if you could push back and say that maybe
I'm a little bit defensive of Josh Allen and you'd
probably be right about that. Well, I am a little defensive.

Speaker 5 (15:28):
You know, I'm one of his biggest fans. All I'm
telling you. All I'm telling you is is that you know,
this is a guy that has a produced everywhere that
he's gone, but is also just this is sorted part
for the course of what these guys are like, so
to me, like, I don't understand why this is a topic.
Like the topic is is knee healthy or not?

Speaker 6 (15:49):
That's that's my topic. Like, you know it has thirty
two coming off of twenty a cl can he still
be the best route runner in football. That's the only
thing I'm concerned about, you know, with Evan, Like all
this other.

Speaker 5 (16:01):
Stuff to me is just I mean, do you want
to go down the list? AJ Brown, DK Metcalf like
all these guys, bitch, Like all these guys complain when
they lose or they're not getting target.

Speaker 6 (16:12):
All those guys, Give me and I'll provide him the book.
I'll turn the pages of the book for him on
the bench if he needs to read the book while
he's upset during the game. Give me the talented guy
that they don't have. Diggs is that guy?

Speaker 5 (16:27):
Yeah, and that we are. That's it. I just think
that talking and now we've talked about it for ten minutes.
But like talking about all this stuff is really kind
of missing the point of the whole thing. Like the
whole point of the whole thing is that he's the
older receiver that's coming off a major injury. If he's healthy,
and he's the Stefan Diggs, even the Stefon Diggs in

(16:49):
Houston last year, he is their best receiver by a
country mile. So like all this other stuff.

Speaker 3 (16:55):
So let's talk about if he's healthy. If he's healthy
in every way, mentally and physically. What does he do
for this offense? How do you think they'll use him
in a Josh McDaniel's schemes.

Speaker 4 (17:07):
I mean, he's the piece. I mean, if I'm Josh McDaniels,
that's all my play call begins with. Where are my
lining up digs? And what is his matchup? Where am
I trying to put him? I think that's just a
great luxury to have, And that's something we talked about
so much that they haven't had. Am I not talking now?

Speaker 3 (17:23):
Is my mic off We're doing a little troubleshooting because microwas,
you never get comfortable when Matt comes in and all
of a sudden just starts reaching down.

Speaker 4 (17:31):
And what's going on here?

Speaker 2 (17:34):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (17:34):
But that that, to me is the piece that I
think they've been missing. And if Josh is able to
you know, get in the lab right now and start
baking and thinking about these are the pieces I'm starting
to have. And you know, we talked a little bit
about just Travis Hunter, like his raw receiver ability learning
from Diggs is a wonderful thing.

Speaker 3 (17:53):
Do you think they'll move them all over?

Speaker 4 (17:55):
I think so, yeah. I Mean I looked at his
just real quick I looked at his splits. You know,
from his early days in Minnesota when he's almost entirely
outside and you know, to what the guys have been saying,
he slowly moved in and whereas last year it was
almost an even split between slot.

Speaker 3 (18:09):
And which is why his yardage numbers went down.

Speaker 6 (18:12):
Probable well because he slowed down. And the last two
years in Buffalo a perfect illustration. And again this can
be very deceptive. I want to be consistent. When you
just look at the numbers and you don't watch every
game in every season, you don't really know exactly what happened.
But he caught something like one hundred and six and
one hundred and seven or one hundred and seven and
one hundred and eight the last two years in Buffalo,

(18:33):
so almost exactly the same receptions, but the yardage went
from fourteen hundred to just about eleven hundred, an enormous
drop in his last from his second to last year
to his last year in Buffalo. He was on pace
in Houston last year to have that drop even more.
He was going to catch about one hundred balls for

(18:54):
about one thousand yards, so that the receptions haven't really changed,
but the yardage is changing dramatically and therefore the yards
per catch, So that tells me what Evan is talking about,
probably more slot stuff, probably more moving the chains, maybe
some quick screens. They're looking for some yards after the catch.

(19:14):
He's not necessarily a downfield thread anymore, which is.

Speaker 4 (19:18):
Okay, But do you think any of that had to
do with just for Houston having these and having an
outside guy kind of and now like, we don't really
need him to just.

Speaker 6 (19:24):
Put out because it happened in Buffalo when he was
the gut, you know, getting you know, I don't want
to get back into that, but getting the ball thrown
to him every play, So they could have done whatever
they wanted with him in Buffalo they didn't have other guys.

Speaker 4 (19:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (19:36):
Yeah, So his last year he was going to set
a career low for air yards per target. He's at
eight point three air yards per targets, is very, very low.
So all of his passes that he was targeted on
were all short throws, but his average yards per route,
you know, in terms of the depth of the route,
was the same as it was the year before in Buffalo.

(19:59):
So that's what that tells me, is that he's not
getting open on the routes down the field anymore. He's
only getting open at the first and second level, so
that's where he's getting targeted, even though he's running routes
at the same depths as he was the year before.
So he's a chain mover like he's a true third
and six. We're gonna he's gonna get you seven yards
type of guy now. But he can do that at

(20:19):
a very high volume. And when you put him with
Josh McDaniels and have him do all the tricks of
the trade to get him open, you know, whether it
be playing him in the slot, playing him out of
you know, stacks or bunch alignments, moving him around the
formation in motion, like all these different things that McDaniels,
you know, really is very good at with formations and
stuff like you can have a real engine of the offense.

Speaker 3 (20:42):
I think between he and in Hunter Henry, I think
now May has two guys that are sort of his
safety guys, his guys he can count on. And I,
you know, I think that's great. Like Dante Scarnecki said,
every quarterback needs that binkie. He might have two now.

Speaker 4 (21:00):
Well, I think it's good for Demario Douglas too. I
think it's talk about moving him around. So much attention
is going to go to Diggs and probably out of
the slot. And now in those third and gotta have
its third and longs, you put Douglas in there and
he suddenly he's not the slot guy. He's like your
fourth guy, and you know, now he's going to get
a favorable matchup and he might be able to get
open too. So it's it's the trickle down effect. But

(21:21):
I'm just watching some of his highlights over the last
you know, week, as he's been you know, considering a decision,
just so impressed with what you know. I mean, we've
seen it so many times with Patriots thir third down,
we're about to get off the field and it's just
like pinpoint precision from Josh Allen to him. We saw
that so many times. So those kind of things to
watch in training camp. I mean, I still rave about

(21:43):
when we went to Vegas and watch Devonte Adams out
there and I was like, oh my god, like this
is what number one, you know, And I mean that's
when we really get to watch the most football of
the year other than the game. So just getting him
to see go against Gonzo go against Davis. I mean,
that's it's gonna be some real fun stuff to watch him.

Speaker 3 (21:59):
You may not see that right away though, now maybe not.

Speaker 6 (22:01):
No, so we should we should say in terms of
that that Adam Schefter tweeted that he is expected to
be ready for week one. Now that comes obviously directly
from Diggs's camp. That seems a little optimistic to me.

Speaker 3 (22:17):
But you got hurt in October.

Speaker 6 (22:19):
Whether or not. I mean, it's it's very similar to
Kenrick Bourne in terms of timeline. It's not that far off.
I forget exactly the dates. I remember when Wes Welcome
to tours Aca in the last game of the year,
and he was ready. He the very last game of
the year in Houston, and he was ready at the
start of the following season, and the two you know,

(22:41):
twenty ten. Now he wasn't himself that year, but he
still had a terrific season. I wouldn't rule that out
that Diggs's camp is right with their optimism, but I
just would wonder what.

Speaker 4 (22:57):
It looks like. That's why you like Calvin around a
little bit.

Speaker 6 (23:00):
I mean, because I think you're going to get two
years out of this. I think this is really a
two year, twenty six million dollar contract with this again,
I just wanted so I think that's a great number.

Speaker 4 (23:08):
I'm good with the money, like I got all the
people that are out about that stuff like hair. That's
all good to me like that.

Speaker 6 (23:14):
And I always say I don't care about the money.
That doesn't mean I want to wildly overpay anybody. This
is a bargain, you know, this is an unbelievable bargain
because I I mean, he's only guaranteed twenty six million.
My guess is he's going to play two years. That's
thirteen million a year. When you know, what does that
put him? Does it even put him in like the
top thirty?

Speaker 4 (23:34):
I doubt it.

Speaker 6 (23:35):
For wide receivers, I think that's a great wee.

Speaker 3 (23:37):
Well, it's more than that because twenty six is what's guaranteed.
But it's a sixty nine million I know.

Speaker 6 (23:43):
But he's not going to get that.

Speaker 3 (23:45):
I know. But if you.

Speaker 6 (23:45):
Son, it's only twenty three three years, sixty nine is
twenty three million, that's a bargain. Yeah, that's bargain basement shopping.
That's great. It's a great deal for the page.

Speaker 3 (23:54):
No, it's it's it's not what the premium receivers are
getting these days.

Speaker 4 (23:58):
Right, risk I mean is.

Speaker 6 (24:01):
There's a lot of risk. That's why you know, the
Patriots have taken on some risk that what if you know,
what if Evan and I are you know, sort of
worried about the depth of target and all the numbers
that Evan throughout there and those turn out to be valid.
He's just kind of a guy, you know, so you know,
twenty three million. But because so I don't just say

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my long way of saying, like, I think they have
a great number two guy, but now right, and I
still think that they have a cap an enormous gap
with the number one year.

Speaker 3 (24:29):
Well that's the well, the thing is if even if
he's not quite himself, he's still probably the best receiver.

Speaker 6 (24:34):
On the is question, Yeah, there's no one close.

Speaker 5 (24:38):
I think that, you know, just thinking about the role
and what I expect him to do for their offense.
I think late career Julian Edelman is is like someplace
that I've sort of come to, uh, which will just
still very I mean one Super Bowl MVP, you know
it was second to last year, right, so I think
that something like that is still very tainable. Like he's

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probably not gonna run by anybody anymore on the outside
at this stage of his career. But he's he's gonna
be able to run all those routes inside the formation
that McDaniels has used in the past.

Speaker 3 (25:11):
So if the Patriots can figure out how to get
competent left tackle play this year, what's your ceiling for wins?

Speaker 4 (25:21):
Ceiling?

Speaker 6 (25:22):
I'm staying out of this one. Why because you get.

Speaker 3 (25:24):
Mad at me, because you're gonna say four no, no.

Speaker 6 (25:27):
No, no no. If they should be knocking on the
door of doubling.

Speaker 3 (25:30):
Now I'm saying ten.

Speaker 5 (25:32):
Wow.

Speaker 6 (25:32):
Ceilings. That's why I stay on it.

Speaker 3 (25:35):
Everything has to work right. Like I said, you get
you figure out who's gonna play left tackle, and the
play is competent. You know, your your guard, all your
other positions on the on the line pan out. Diggs
is is good, you know, if not great, he's the
best receiver on your team. All these you know, I

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think you could win ten. Now here's the other thing
I wanted to bring up today. How many free agents
that the Patriots signed this off.

Speaker 5 (26:03):
Like sixteen fourteen.

Speaker 3 (26:07):
We've said this before. When the Patriots have signed several
you know, the chances of every free agent that any
team signs in an off season, working out and doing
well and not getting hurt is very slim. Not all
fourteen of these guys are going to either finish the
season or be the guy that we hope they are.

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That's just a fact. Never in the history of the
NFL has a team that signed a bunch of free
agents every one of them, you know, panned out to
be exactly what you hope they would be. So we
just got to keep that in mind. Well you have
to keep that in mind.

Speaker 4 (26:41):
Well, I think too. You can look at this team
right now and I have my little depth chart right here.
I bought it for fancy.

Speaker 6 (26:47):
Keeping color coded. Is it normal downstairs, Paul?

Speaker 3 (26:52):
But you know, we're.

Speaker 4 (26:53):
Before the draft right now, and I think the draft
is again hammer what I always hammer, Like that's where
you're really gonna I think, set your ceiling for wins
of you know, put Travis Hunter into this offense, like
you know then that makes me feel. But I think
your point about left tackle is valid and that's all
eyes on that now.

Speaker 3 (27:09):
Yep.

Speaker 6 (27:10):
I would say that they should be better because I
think Rabel is significantly better as a coach and the
schedule I think, I don't want to that. I think
is going to be significantly easier than it was last year.
But ten wins to me, is that's optimistic?

Speaker 3 (27:29):
It is that's my ceiling. Yeah, that's my ceiling.

Speaker 6 (27:31):
But it's an optimistic ceiling, is what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (27:33):
All Right, Okay, have a pessimistic ceiling, Fred.

Speaker 6 (27:37):
Oh listening, pessimistic ceiling will be like six.

Speaker 3 (27:40):
Well I was going to say five actually as the ceiling,
No as my oh oh, I'm sorry, pessimistic ceiling of five.

Speaker 6 (27:50):
We're blowing it all out again next year.

Speaker 3 (27:52):
Five is my pessimistic, pessimistic floor. Sorry, okay, my.

Speaker 5 (27:57):
Optimistic I would say, I would with you on the floor.

Speaker 8 (28:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (28:01):
I can't see them. I cannot see them only winning
four games.

Speaker 3 (28:05):
My pessimistic ceiling is six or seven.

Speaker 6 (28:09):
They're going to be better. I'm pretty confident that they'll
be better. I don't know if I'm going to say
six games better.

Speaker 5 (28:14):
But I don't like making predictions until after the draft
because so much can change. But if they can get
competent left tackle play, then.

Speaker 3 (28:24):
They get Travis Hunter, then I'm making for San Francisco.

Speaker 5 (28:28):
But but things are operational on offense if they can
get a competent left tackle in the draft, Like if
you give Josh McDaniels these ingredients on offense and you
have a capable, you know, functional offensive line and the
weapons with Drake May, like he'll I'm not gonna say
he's gonna have a top five offense in the league,
but he'll have a respectable NFL offense with this group.

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So I'm pretty optimistic about that. I just I don't
know it. We'll find out, you know, we'll find out
what Drake May is like in the clutch, We'll find
out what they if they can not beat themselves late
in games, you know, just across the board. You know,
we'll find out those types of things and that that's
gonna be what we'll decide.

Speaker 8 (29:04):
That.

Speaker 6 (29:05):
See what I would say with the like the ten
being optimist, you know, really high, because I think that
we automatically say, like, well, I don't remember all the opponents,
but the Tennessee's, the Vegas is who else that you know, Carolina,

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the Jets, and everybody says win win, win, win win.
I say, you're one of those teams, right, so it's
win loss win loss, win loss. Last year you lost
them all. I don't expect to lose them all. I
don't expect to lose to every game that's a toss up,
And it seemed like they lost every game that was
a toss up last year. So I just look at

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it as you're probably gonna split, you know, the five
or six games that everybody right now says they should
beat that. The Giants, I think is one of the opponents.

Speaker 4 (29:57):
Yeah, yeah, right, Giants, R Falcons, Panthers.

Speaker 6 (30:01):
Well, Falcons I think are better than them, but the Panther, Yeah,
the Steelers are better than them. The Browns, you know,
to Evan's point, we see what happens in the draft.
But I think you split those games. I don't think
you win them all. I think people that are like
talking about playoffs are just saying, well, they're gonna win
all those games. They're gonna beat Cleveland, they're gonna beat

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the Raiders, they're gonna beat the Giants, they're going to
beat the If they do, then there will be a
playoff team. Then your ceiling comes true. But I don't
know how you go from where they are to that.

Speaker 3 (30:32):
You got to have it, in my scenario, you got
to have one. If not two upsets. You know where
I'm saying. I know what you're saying, Paul, Like it
might be an upset to beat the Raiders.

Speaker 6 (30:42):
But that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (30:42):
I have a lot of But I think like you
might have to beat Miami at least once in order
to get to ten. You might have to beat one
of the clearly better teams at least once in order
to get to ten, because you aren't going to be sure.

Speaker 6 (30:56):
You know, they have done that in each of the
last two seasons.

Speaker 3 (30:58):
Yea, But but and go fifty percent on the ones
that you should win or you know are.

Speaker 4 (31:05):
Yeah, well you can't. You know, Bengals is a bad example,
which you can't beat the Bengals and then lose to
the Jags. You know like that, It's just it doesn't
add up. But those will always be those games. That
will always be that one game where the other team's
quarterback is hurt or you know, big piece out.

Speaker 3 (31:19):
Yep Al from Wisconsin writes in at podcasts at Patriots
dot com. Diggs has been a diva. Diggs being a
diva doesn't matter. Fact is the room was full of
outspoken divas last year. The difference thing go. The difference
is where that I can play.

Speaker 6 (31:33):
I love that email.

Speaker 4 (31:35):
That's fair.

Speaker 3 (31:36):
Yeah, Jack from ann Aber writes, and what implications does
the signing of Stefan Diggs have on the Patriots approach
to the upcoming draft?

Speaker 2 (31:45):
Now that's my question. Did this feel a little reactionary
to you guys because Diggs was in the building. Nothing
really happened after that, and then the Giants go out
and sign quarterbacks and then it seemed like instantly, Okay,
now the deal's getting done to bring Diggs here.

Speaker 3 (31:59):
I think that's what Antal.

Speaker 6 (32:00):
It's a good point. I think before you were in
the majority. A lot of people believe what you just said. Alex.

Speaker 3 (32:06):
Yeah, I've heard that before. I think it's coincidental. I mean,
he came for the visit. They didn't sign him immediately,
but the visit was what three days ago, you know,
was the beginning.

Speaker 4 (32:16):
Of the week, right last week?

Speaker 6 (32:17):
Wait, the Digs visit? Yeah, when weeks it was like
I think it was like two weeks ago. It was
before the NCAA tournament.

Speaker 2 (32:24):
It was last last week, like yeah, Tuesday is yeah, so.

Speaker 3 (32:29):
You know they were probably working on it.

Speaker 6 (32:31):
It's a constructor.

Speaker 3 (32:33):
Yeah, I think I think they would have signed him
regardless of what the Giants did.

Speaker 6 (32:38):
I don't see. I don't think get anything to do
with the Giants either.

Speaker 4 (32:41):
But Wednesday in the nineteenth was the Dig's visit.

Speaker 6 (32:46):
Okay, which today eight days ago, twelve days ago, today's.

Speaker 3 (32:51):
Twenty seventh, is it?

Speaker 6 (32:53):
Yeah? See, that's my problem. I mean, operating like it's
the thirtieth.

Speaker 4 (32:59):
It's you're aniversary or anything coming up.

Speaker 6 (33:01):
Is it no birthday?

Speaker 5 (33:03):
Then I don't think it should change anything in the
draft to stance of the email.

Speaker 6 (33:07):
So over a week anyway, you're borging.

Speaker 5 (33:11):
Change because you have Stefan Diggs you know here, But
it's still taking changing. It's it's I hear what you're saying.

Speaker 2 (33:19):
Is Travis Hunter realistically going to be there?

Speaker 6 (33:21):
That's that's the theory.

Speaker 3 (33:25):
Talking about.

Speaker 5 (33:26):
Yeah, I'm saying to.

Speaker 3 (33:27):
The throat doesn't change. You're saying it could change the
draft board, which is absolutely true.

Speaker 6 (33:32):
Yeah, you know, yeah, I just you know.

Speaker 5 (33:35):
Adam Schefter also went on yesterday on ESPN and said
that he thinks that the Browns are going to take
Abdul Carter.

Speaker 3 (33:43):
Now I'm not.

Speaker 5 (33:44):
Trying to throw bows, but Schefter's draft intel is like
not always h you know, one hundred percent. You know,
he's had some misses over the years in terms of
what he thinks is going to happen in the draft.
But he did sound pretty convinced about the one. You know,
I watched the clip and he sound pretty evinced about
Abdol Carter going to the Cleveland brown So if you

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look at that, it just with what the Giants have
done at quarterback, and the Browns are telling you him
at least, that they're going to pass on Shador Like,
So the Browns are going to pass on Shador with
no quarterback, and then the Giants that have two veteran
quarterbacks under contract are going to draft Shadoor Like. I
just well, I don't really see that happens.

Speaker 3 (34:21):
The thing you're leaving out is I think Tennessee desperately
wants to get out of number one.

Speaker 6 (34:25):
I don't.

Speaker 3 (34:25):
I don't think they're they're not sold on cam Ward.

Speaker 5 (34:28):
I think they I think they feel pretty good about
cam Ward really yeah, And I and.

Speaker 3 (34:32):
I don't know what about the report that they made
it clear to teams that they're willing to talk if
someone wants to give them a boatload, if you're sold
on a quarterback at one and you need a quarterback,
you're not moving off of that.

Speaker 5 (34:44):
I think every I think we have those reports every draft.

Speaker 3 (34:46):
I'm just asking you if so you believe that's just smoke.

Speaker 5 (34:49):
Yeah, okay, I mean I think a lot of things
are just smoke right now, But I don't think that
they're you know, in some dire laity.

Speaker 3 (34:57):
I'm under the I'm under the my philosophy, he is,
if you're a team that needs a quarterback, there's a
quarterback there that you believe in. I want the world
to know that I believe in the quarterback, and I
want that quarterback to believe that I believe in him too,
so that when I pick him, he knows that he
has my full support.

Speaker 6 (35:14):
Not there was a time where that guy was already
under contract exactly, the raft came exactly, It's not that
long ago.

Speaker 9 (35:19):
But if you.

Speaker 3 (35:20):
Really believe in him, then believe in them. Tell the
world you believe in them. Tell the world there is nothing.

Speaker 5 (35:26):
But who knows where that report's coming from.

Speaker 3 (35:27):
Okay, but I'm just saying.

Speaker 6 (35:28):
Well, Berganzi said it, did he not that we're open
to talk. Didn't Boganzi say that at the combine.

Speaker 3 (35:35):
By the way, I lost everyone who's listening to know
that I believe in this guy. He's our guy, and
and that's it.

Speaker 6 (35:46):
No, I think they're going to take him.

Speaker 3 (35:48):
I just I don't understand why you wouldn't.

Speaker 6 (35:50):
I don't think they're sold. I think they've taken it
because they feel like they have to, But I don't
think they're sold on it. So I'm kind of with Fred,
but I think they're gonna end up taking cam Ward.

Speaker 5 (36:00):
I just look at all the moves that all these
other teams have made, and we've been talking about this
for a while. All these other teams that are behind
the Titans are trying to run to any life raft
that is in Shador Sanders at quarterback. Like the Raiders
traded for a quarterback in Gino Smith, the Seahawks signed
Sam Darnold, the Steelers are flirting with Aaron Rodgers. The

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Giants signed two veteran bridge quarterbacks, like all these teams
are just you know, the Saints brought back Derek Carr,
like they're all telling you no thanks to this quarterback,
to Shador in particular, and so maybe the Giants fall
in love with him. Maybe the Browns fall in love
with him still. But I think it's just as likely
that Shador has a slide in the draft ye as

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it is that he goes too overall in this draft.
And if you're the Patriots, I think either way, if
he goes two to the Browns, I think the Giants
are going to take Travis Hunter. So it's a consolation
to me, but it's still a good pick to take
Abdul Carter. But it looks to me like all these
teams are scared to Shador, whether it's Dion, whether it's
the talent, whatever the case may be. I don't think

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any of these teams are are definitely sold on Shudor
right now.

Speaker 6 (37:07):
And you asked about smoke with some of these comments
that are coming out about Tennessee. I believe smoke with Schefter.
I think continuing to say that the Giants is still
interested in Sanders, I think that is to help Dean Sanders.
I think you're trying to interests. Make sure that you
know he's not sliding, he's not falling, you know who's

(37:28):
uh So we talked about this yesterday, you know, off air,
and you know, you get beyond the Patriots and you
get Patriots, Jags, Wis it's you know, the Jets are
a possibility there and then New Orleans I think would
be a possibility. Those are both in the top ten nine, right,
It's it's like six and nine or seven and nine
something like that. You know, Jacksonville is not going to

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take you know, Sanders, but Caroline is probably not going
to take Sanders, but the Jets or the Saints could.
And I think Scheft is trying to do a solid
to a guy like Dion who there's some value in
having him as an ally. Let's face it, I don't
believe for a second that the Giants signed two veteran
quarterbacks and they're still going to take the rookie. Now,

(38:13):
maybe they will, and I've been wrong about a million things.
That'll be the next one.

Speaker 4 (38:16):
That's an amazing room. I mean, Jameis Winston and Russell
Wilson in the same room as just comedy Gold, I
would think, I mean, content wise, they're set. I would
say the content team is like, we don't need another quarterback.
We're all good. We're gonna get everything that we need.

Speaker 5 (38:29):
From the Schefter point of view, Let's also not forget
that ESPN broadcast the draft, and they have short skin
in the game to make the draft interesting, right, And
it's more inherently interesting when it's a quarterback draft than
when it's not a quarterback draft. Like last year is
a home run draft for the networks. Right, you have
three quarterbacks at the top of the draft that everybody loves,

(38:50):
and then you have all these other quarterbacks too that
end up going early. Like that's a jackpot of a draft.
So to say, the Giants said they still could take
sha door, like don't your TV when they're on the
clock at three?

Speaker 3 (39:02):
Overall could be I would like this this year is
even more intriguing because last year Caleb Williams was he
was a bear before the draft that was done. It
was a done deal.

Speaker 5 (39:11):
There's just a lot of the quarterback star power I
think is it really moves the needle when it comes
to the broadcasting stuff. And then I would also just
say that you know we all you know Fred you
always say like we always come back to the beginning, right,
like we have a take in January and you get
put into the draft machine, all these rumors and all
this smoke screens start going crazy and then by the

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time April rolls back around. We're right back to where
we started. And the reporting when we started was that
Shador Sanders is not one of those types of quarterbacks.
He is not a top three draft pick in a
normal NFL draft at that position, and I just I
can't help but think that the rest of the of
the league sees that.

Speaker 3 (39:51):
I'll go I'll go even further, and listen, I could
be wrong. I wasn't into it the way you and
Barth was, but I.

Speaker 6 (39:58):
Thought I didn't think anybody is. Yeah, I thought on
anything I thought.

Speaker 3 (40:01):
At the beginning. People even weren't talking about cam Ward
as a top pick, as I recall, they were not
at the gate, not really they were not, I.

Speaker 5 (40:09):
Would say, maybe not as the number one overall pick.
But I think there was a pretty big consensus that
he would go early. I don't think necessarily it was
a lock that he was going to go one at
the time. But Shador has a lot of, you know,
evaluations all over the map, and I think most people
feel comfortable with him in that like Mac Jones, Kenny
Pickett range of like fifteen.

Speaker 3 (40:30):
To twenty versus. I think if the Titans pick Ward,
it's a shotgun marriage. I really think so. I think
they're going to do with kicking and screen.

Speaker 6 (40:37):
Yeah, I don't think I agree with you. I don't
think they want to take him, but I feel like
they probably feel like they have to.

Speaker 3 (40:44):
What if What if the Panthers trade Trevor Lawrence for
a boatload and then they take Sanders the Jags, I
mean the Jags.

Speaker 5 (40:51):
Yeah, I don't see that happening. No, who knows.

Speaker 3 (40:56):
But wasn't that kind of a rumor that, oh they
look they were, you know, field calls from your building calls.
I don't remember that one calls from fielding as.

Speaker 6 (41:05):
I'm not telling you that that didn't happen.

Speaker 2 (41:07):
They're talking about them being open to moving Trevor Lawrence.
You don't know if it was just conversation, if it
was an actual report.

Speaker 4 (41:13):
But I thought wishful thinking. You're trying to get them.

Speaker 6 (41:16):
Wow, Alex is elbowing into my territory of speaking.

Speaker 3 (41:19):
Fred David New Hampshire says, I hope he's excited to
get uh that Diggs is excited to light up his
old team twice a year.

Speaker 6 (41:26):
Let's go. We got a guy, right which one? You
a lot of teams now.

Speaker 3 (41:31):
Yeah, all right, this is four Okay, this is this
is four five Collins A five five Pats five hundred
the aicket hot. Fine, people holding on. Let's see who
was first. We'll go with Kyle and Cali Fork.

Speaker 6 (41:52):
Hey, Kyle, you haven't even had a yetdo yet?

Speaker 3 (41:55):
Again? I'm thinking of one. What's up, Kyle? You're there.

Speaker 5 (41:58):
You didn't click on it?

Speaker 3 (42:00):
I didn't click on it. Okay, there you go, Kyle.

Speaker 8 (42:03):
Do you hear me? Now?

Speaker 3 (42:04):
We sure can?

Speaker 10 (42:07):
Hey guys, yeah, I everyone kind of covered everything I
want to talk about. Dig comeing in the locker room. Uh,
leadership wise, I don't think he's singing songs with everyone,
but I think that's for the best.

Speaker 8 (42:19):
You know, we need.

Speaker 10 (42:19):
Someone that's gonna be I want to say, a bully.

Speaker 11 (42:22):
But.

Speaker 10 (42:24):
Get everyone motivated and start.

Speaker 8 (42:26):
Contributing to the team. Uh.

Speaker 10 (42:29):
The other thing I want to say is, you know,
the wide receiver room is getting crowded right now, and
I don't really see the point in going after receiver
in the second third round when the traits they have
or Kyle simmeld with.

Speaker 8 (42:42):
Some of the guys we have in here.

Speaker 12 (42:43):
So I just want to see if you guys think
who's on that out in that wide receiver room?

Speaker 6 (42:47):
Thanks all right, thank you?

Speaker 5 (42:50):
Dis Yeah, I mean they have seven guys right now
in that wide receiver room. I think Matt Collins probably
safe to say it's going to make the tea.

Speaker 6 (42:57):
I mean, I think it's safe to say Polkin is too.
But my point being, I'm not so sure about that one.
Where are you getting like it's kind of a crowded room.
Don't mistake numbers with talent.

Speaker 3 (43:08):
Every room is crowded.

Speaker 5 (43:09):
Credit last year by train.

Speaker 6 (43:10):
How many wide receivers are on the roster now, Mike
nine or ten?

Speaker 4 (43:13):
It's actually nine?

Speaker 6 (43:13):
Yeah, nine, I think nine receives.

Speaker 4 (43:15):
Don't quite Jackson and John Giles don't.

Speaker 6 (43:17):
Confuse are they don't confuse all those guys with Okay,
we're not going to take if there's a wide receiver,
you know, if my guy from Iowa State, Jayden Higgins,
they don't have that kind of a profile receiver. I
take that in a blink.

Speaker 5 (43:33):
Yeah, I think that that's ideally. We were talking about
this on catch twenty two, just getting some size and
speed on the outside because I think Diggs is going
to be more of that movable piece and play a
little bit more in the slot than maybe he did
it early on in his career. Pop Douglas is obviously
going to be a full time slot guy when he's
on the field, So getting somebody that can really play

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outside and maybe bring some speed. It's not really Jaden
Higgins in the speed department, but he certainly has the
size department.

Speaker 6 (44:02):
Just to ask a very simple question, do you think
it's not possible to get a guy in the second
or third round who's better than Kaishan Boudi or Jalen
Polk or Javon Baker or Jamario Douglas.

Speaker 5 (44:16):
I also just think you got to keep throwing darts right,
like you know you.

Speaker 4 (44:19):
Need to get better the top one hundred darts. I
think I hear what you're saying. I don't need fourth, fifth, sixth,
seventh round flyers on wide receivers like you got plenty
of guys like in that range. No, I have those,
you know, But your point, I guess the second, third
round you love the guy.

Speaker 6 (44:33):
One of the atolastics. But I'm not saying just take
one for the sake of taking one. But I trust
that the evaluations here of my guys Mike and Evan
who do you know, a lot of this work. If
if there's a guy that they like, and I remember
how they reacted last year when they took a guy,
So if there's a guy that they like and they
take him, I'm going to be excited about it. Yeah,
I think that they need an upgrade there.

Speaker 5 (44:53):
There's a couple of like early day three guys that
I do think would just check boxes in terms of
the skills that they're missing, Like Dante Thornton from Tennessee,
who is just a size speed burner on the outside.
Like even though he might be a little bit raw
and it might not be like a you know, he's
probably gonna be a Kisehan Boody type in terms of production.
Like I'm not going to sit here and say he's

(45:14):
going to catch a hundred passes, but he might bring
a skill set to the room that they don't have
with the other guys. Is a six foot you know
plus guy that can run a four to three, Like
they don't really have that player on the team. That's
the traits, right, But if you go earlier in the draft,
you know, I think that speed is the one thing
that I'm looking for right now. Obviously ideally paired with size.

(45:35):
But even a guy like you know, Dus and I
both like Isaiah Bond a lot from Texas. You know,
he can really fly. Jalen Royals from Utah State, he
can really fly. You know, those guys that can really run.
I think is what they're missing because right now it's
going to be Diggs and Henry at the sticks, and
then what what's past that? Right what's over the top?

Speaker 3 (45:53):
And I think you need that, Adam and Louisiana says.
I don't think the Giants front office and coach passing
Shador Sanders. They've hitched their wagon to Russell Wilson because
they know they have to win some games this year.
If they win games this year and keep their jobs,
they'll be out of contention for a top quarterback next year.
They have not been able to trade up for a

(46:13):
quarterback to two straight drafts, so that's probably out as well.
I don't think Wilson or Winston are viable long term options,
so they need to get a quarterback of the future
this year. They could shoot for the moon with Milroe
and try to develop him, but I think they want
the safer option that will be able to win games
sooner rather than later. So that's a good point.

Speaker 6 (46:34):
Like so not to me.

Speaker 3 (46:36):
You know, if they do better this year, if they
do better this year and Russell Wilson wins them seven
or eight games, then they're not gonna be in position
to get the quarterback for net.

Speaker 6 (46:46):
But at least they have a job and they can
pick somebody next year. If they picture Door Sanders and
win three or four games, they're gone.

Speaker 3 (46:52):
Yeah. Well, well what if they picture Door Sanders but
he doesn't play this year, It's still.

Speaker 6 (46:58):
You're not gonna win seven or eight games. You need
to get a player that's gonna help you win games.

Speaker 3 (47:01):
No, I know, But but does it buy them some
life knowing we got Shad Or Sanders next year, he's gonna.

Speaker 6 (47:08):
Be the only thing I would say to that is
something that you said off the air yesterday or our
conversation about maybe there's a pre existing arrangement that Mara
has talked to Dable and Shane and say, listen, I
understand we're in a tough spot. We need to find
a quarterback of the future. You guys feel some desperation,
don't worry about the desperation. You coach a good let's

(47:29):
put put a good product on the field, let's improve,
let's get better. And if if take Sanders as our
quarterback in the future and we don't win enough games,
that's okay, you guys will be back. I don't see
that happening, don't. I don't see a situation like that.

Speaker 5 (47:42):
Well, I disagree with the point that you said that, Like,
how are they winning all these games if they don't
use their the third overall pick on the play?

Speaker 6 (47:49):
Exactly? You need that player to win games, right.

Speaker 5 (47:51):
You know, if he's gonna sit, if the Shaudor is
gonna sit on the bench the entire year, so that
pick is basically worthless for twenty twenty.

Speaker 6 (47:56):
The Falcons us right, what are you gonna do? Dangerous?

Speaker 5 (47:59):
You know, if you add Travis Hunter to that team
and he can play corner, I think probably predominantly for them,
but he can also play with Malik Neighbors a little
bit on offense. Like now, you can talk yourself into
the Giants being viable, but I don't see how they're
viable if they don't pick somebody they're at number three
that helps them this year. And maybe this quarterback class,
you know, isn't great at the top, But I do

(48:20):
think there are some dart throws. You mentioned Milroe Jackson,
Jackson dart will Will Howard from Ohio State that my
shuck could be Yeah, Tyler shuckche years.

Speaker 6 (48:32):
Of college football.

Speaker 5 (48:33):
Upside guys, right, like guys that you know, they could
be Jalen Hurts, like Milroe could be Jalen Hurts.

Speaker 4 (48:38):
Do you think the Giants regret taking Neighbors last year
and not trying to take Pennix or Nixt, Like, is
that something you look back on, like, of.

Speaker 3 (48:45):
Course they have to.

Speaker 6 (48:46):
Yeah, I wouldn't, but they might.

Speaker 4 (48:48):
It's just hard. You just see how they're kind of stuck.
And I think the Patriots that worked out with Drake
May that they got the third overall pick and ye
where they were three good quarterbacks. And you see even
this year with the Patriots, it hasn't you know, we
don't know how it's gonna work out, but it's still
you see, it just has to line up right, and
they could be stuck like the point generally, like you
could just kind of be stuck in a cycle where
you know, it's like the Steelers.

Speaker 6 (49:09):
And I would just say that top guy, and no,
there's no question about it with regard to the Giants,
But back to you know something, you know we talked
about that Evan talked about with the actions of all
the teams are telling you they're not they don't believe
in Sanders, right, because everybody's falling over themselves to find

(49:30):
some semblance of a veteran, even one with tremendous flaws
like Russell Wilson and Aaron Rodgers. They're all trying to
find those guys rather than roll the dice on Sanders.
If the Giants were convinced that Sanders was the quarterback
of the future, they just they just would have taken them.
They wouldn't have wasted resources on two veteran quarterbacks. Maybe

(49:51):
they still sign Winston, but adding both of them, to me,
makes no sense if you're going to then take a
quarterback and I so let's let's go. Let's play it
out the way the emailer did you So this season unfolds,
they need a quarterback next year. I think that you
could have the same situation with what Evan said. If
you take a quarterback on day two, you still have

(50:13):
a guy who may or may not be the quarterback
of the future, just like you would have if you
had taken Sanders. I don't think there's really that much difference.

Speaker 5 (50:20):
I think the only argument that the Giants would still
take Sanders is that they sign these quarterbacks because they
don't know what Cleveland is going to do. Right, So
if Cleveland takes Sanders, then they would be left without
a chair, right, they wouldn't have anybody to pick insurance,
it's double insurance. Basically, they have a very high premium.

Speaker 8 (50:38):
Right.

Speaker 6 (50:38):
I could listen to that. That's that's a fair point.

Speaker 5 (50:40):
That that I think is the only argument for it.
But all the reporting and again it's it's.

Speaker 6 (50:47):
That's a fair that's a fair point. I just look
at the money invested if they were interested in Sanders.
And first of all, I don't think Cleveland's going to
take a quarterback. I think their actions are telling you
they're not going to take a quarterback. I would argue
that they have a better stopgap guy already in place
than the Giants do and Kenny Pickett, And I don't
think Kenny Pickett's is the answer by any means. But
Russell Wilson is washed.

Speaker 4 (51:11):
Winston too.

Speaker 6 (51:12):
Jameis Winston never could play, so he's not really even
an option, and I think lunatic, and I think the
Browns are going to double down on the cashed guys
and end up with Kirk Cousins. But Cousins won't start, won't.

Speaker 5 (51:26):
Sign until after the draft.

Speaker 6 (51:29):
Right. Cousins said he's not going to sign until after
the draft because he doesn't want to get pennixed again.
So I don't think the Cleveland's going to take a quarterback,
and I think the Giants and the Giants are going
to have the pick of Sanders or whichever one of
Carter Hunter doesn't get taken by Cleveland.

Speaker 5 (51:46):
Yeah, all I know is that the clip that's going
around of Adam Schefter last night, Matt Miller, their draft guru,
is giving the take about how what the Patriots would
do if Hunter Carter falls to them at four. You
know how great that would be for the page you
have to give that, and and Chefters on the other
side of the screen being like, Abdul Carter is not falling,

(52:06):
and he like was very adamant about it.

Speaker 6 (52:09):
I cannot believe how many mock drafts I've seen with
Abdul Carter at four to the Patriots, and I cannot
imagine that The.

Speaker 3 (52:16):
Only way that can happen is if the two quarterbacks
get taken and then.

Speaker 6 (52:19):
And then someone takes Hunter over Carter. I think will
be crazy.

Speaker 3 (52:22):
I think it makes us crazy.

Speaker 6 (52:23):
I think I.

Speaker 5 (52:25):
Think it makes a lot of sense for the Giants.
Like the Giants have Kevon Thibodeaux and Brian Burns already
on defense. They paid both those guys a lot of
money to rush the passer. They have nothing in the secondary,
and they just have Molik Neighbors on offense. So it
just from a roster construction standpoint, I think he makes
a lot more sense for the Giants than Abdul Carter. Like, now,
Abdul Carter, you got three edge rushers and nothing else.

Speaker 6 (52:47):
No, I get that, But I just think he's so
much better than I don't.

Speaker 3 (52:51):
I don't think it's crazy. Chris wants to know. Can
Evan explain how Hollins is a lock? He'll be thirty
two and has never really been more productive than Born.
Also doesn't have the upside that Baker has. How is
he not the odd man out?

Speaker 5 (53:04):
Well, they just signed him and that doesn't always mean everything.
But when you just sign a free agent and you
give him some guaranteed money. You don't normally cut those guys.

Speaker 6 (53:14):
It's extremely rare.

Speaker 5 (53:15):
Unless they give you a real reason to cut them.
I think the other thing with Matt Collins is just
he's got some size, he's got some speed, he can
play on the outside, and he does the dirty work.
You know, he's gonna block, and he's gonna do all
those little things that don't show up on a box score.
And they're probably thinking he's a nice number three receiver,

(53:36):
maybe a number four receiver in an ideal world that
isn't gonna demand targets, that isn't going to demand attention,
and all they.

Speaker 6 (53:44):
Gonna block, he's gonna play on special teams, he's gonna
do all the things that they think a yeah.

Speaker 5 (53:48):
So he's gonna be that guy. He's gonna be the
utility man of that room. I just I don't see
there a way that he is not on this team
unless he goes into training camp and is completely.

Speaker 3 (54:00):
Eric in Lakeville. Earlier in the week, Evan expressed his
disappointment that the Patriots didn't make the DK Metcalf trade.
Now that they've signed Diggs, I'd like to ask the panel,
would you rather have paid the price to acquire metcalf
second round pick plus that contract, or do you prefer
the dig signing.

Speaker 5 (54:17):
I would rather trade for Dk Metcalf.

Speaker 6 (54:18):
Metcalf I like now ideally I would say both because
they could have done both. But if you're asking me
to choose one or the other, I would have taken.

Speaker 3 (54:27):
I like not having to give up the second.

Speaker 4 (54:28):
Yeah, I do too. I think I'm with you. Fred.

Speaker 2 (54:30):
I also just like having someone that actually wants to
come here, like and not chasing. People are very on
the record.

Speaker 5 (54:36):
About not I mean, I think when going to buy.

Speaker 4 (54:39):
It, huh, I will hook line were limited even I
just had a feeling about New England special plays. I'm
excited to be here.

Speaker 6 (54:50):
And Mike's gonna be like I have. He couldn't have
been more wrong.

Speaker 5 (54:57):
I mean, DK is better, younger, big, like yeah, like healthier.
I just h and by the way, very but I understand.

Speaker 6 (55:09):
I just we're Diggs is a better player. Like Diggs's
career is better than I think Metcalf will ever be.
Diggs is going to have the better career I would.
I'm not trying to say all of a sudden, but
Diggs is close to the end of it because I know,
you know, you always make moune of me for arguing
before it happens. I know how this is going to play.
Of course, the Patriots got the guy. So now Paul

(55:31):
says Diggs is no, Digs is way better than Metcalf.
What Like, that's what I'm saying. His career, his prime
was better than Metcalf will be. But right now I
would take Metcalf.

Speaker 4 (55:43):
But how great would they be together? I mean to
your point both, Like, I mean what you're talking about
still having that outside guy in Metcalf with the size
and the speed and drawing coverage, and then you got
Digs working underneath with whatever's leftover.

Speaker 6 (55:52):
I mean, some people are saying they can't take a
wide receiver in the second round. They would make the team,
So that second round pick, you could just have a dig.
I just mean Metcalf.

Speaker 5 (56:01):
I always think of it like, I think it's harder
to defend a guy like DK Metcalf at this stage
because of just the downfield ability. Like if you're a
defensive coordinator, I feel like that kind of guy keeps
you up at night a little bit longer than Stefan
Diggs at this stage of his career, like.

Speaker 4 (56:17):
Especially if you blow the coverage. Yeah, just let them
wide open.

Speaker 3 (56:19):
All right, We'll take a break, eat some food. When
we come back, we call some emails, and I do
want to get into Barth, the sleuth of the undercover
investigative reporting that he's been doing over the last couple
of days. So we'll get to that after this.

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Speaker 16 (58:21):
It's time now for another episode of the Patch from
the Past podcast. Matt Smith along with Paul Purlo and
please to be joined by the newly inducted member of
the Patriot Hall of Fame number seventy five in your program.
I don't know if seventy five would fit on them now, Paul,
mister Vince Wilfork, Vince, you look tremendous.

Speaker 8 (58:39):
Thank you.

Speaker 9 (58:39):
I think aside forty eight might do. Yeah, forty eight.
Now do you set a fifty six?

Speaker 3 (58:44):
Do you?

Speaker 16 (58:44):
Does it feel normal like to be more like a
normal human being as opposed to you know, one of
you played.

Speaker 9 (58:49):
You know what the most amazing thing for me now
is I can go basically in if they have a
two X, I can fit it, you know. And that's
I haven't had that since I was in sixth grade,
you know. So it's a little different. But at the
same time, I feel good, my body feel good, I'm healthy,
and I've just been enjoying life.

Speaker 16 (59:08):
That's last year in the Hall of Fame ceremony when
Richard went in, Bruski was there, and Bruski there was
a panel discussion and it was Ty Warren, Willie McGuinness
and Richard Seymour and Bruske goes, let me stand behind them,
and he stood behind them for a second. He goes,
nobody can see me, and he comes up in between

(59:29):
me goes, what do you think it was like playing
linebacker when these guys were here? Yes, you guys did
all the work. Rabel, Bruceki, etc. They just s you,
they cleaned up. Thanks for what you guys did.

Speaker 9 (59:40):
Yeah, we you know. And this is two gapping isn't fun.
I means you have to be a man to be
able too gap and if you really want to see
what type of players you have and how tough and
if you have some dogs or that make them two gap.
Because I remember talking with Randy Moss before and I

(01:00:03):
was explaining him about two gap, between two gap and
then four to three penning trading. I said, listen, Randy,
I can put you in the nine technique, in the
one gap, and you can get the job done. Who
you are right there, You can get the job done.
You don't have to touch nobody. You could just run
up feel and you just try to find the ball.
You can do that, I say, But if I put
you in the five where you got to put hands

(01:00:24):
on somebody control two gaps, that changes. So I say, yeah,
a lot of guys get a lot of credit and
a lot of recognition of these quarterback sacks and just
running the field. I say, but what we did, it
takes a real man to do that, and not only
once you talking about for sixty minutes, You talking about

(01:00:44):
for a season, and you talk about for a career.
So time and time and time and time. We don't
get no plays off. If it's a pass play, we rushing,
we banging their heads, run play, we fighting, doubles, triple
we butting head. If you one gaping, you can run
on the air and don't have to touch her soul.

(01:01:05):
You know, if you one gap him, if if God
meant misses their block with you, you scott free. You
only got that one gap to worry about. But if
you telling me you can't run around this guy, you
got to go through him. You gotta control this. You
got to knock him back. And you got these two
gaps day in and day out. That's defense?

Speaker 6 (01:01:25):
What and but what's sexier?

Speaker 3 (01:01:27):
And what?

Speaker 17 (01:01:28):
We know?

Speaker 3 (01:01:28):
What? What?

Speaker 4 (01:01:29):
What are the guys look at?

Speaker 6 (01:01:30):
You know? Paid ever any resentment?

Speaker 12 (01:01:34):
Mean?

Speaker 6 (01:01:35):
Did you guys ever go to Bill and just say hey,
you know, just hey, we got the lead here, you know,
turn the sluice a little bit here.

Speaker 9 (01:01:41):
No, Bill done it good? He you know what, Bill
used to give us some bones here, and we got
to a point where Bill trusted us enough, you know,
and Bill knew what he had. Bill knew he had
three first rounds, basically for a first rounder with Jarvis
yes up there, that we can control the game. Once
we get to a level in the game, he can
let us lose and he can give us a bomb.
We had some plays where he'll call just for us,

(01:02:04):
just to get us exciting, you know. So I wouldn't
never say Bill never, you know, didn't unleash us.

Speaker 1 (01:02:10):
He have.

Speaker 9 (01:02:11):
And it was games where Bill come in there and say,
straight up, listen, this game gonna be one up front.
If y'all can't win, we lose. He told us straight up,
if you guys can't do this, we lose. He wasn't
nothing about Tom, he wasn't nothing about no office, He
wasn't nothing about scoring points. He told us straight up,
if you three can't do this, we won't win.

Speaker 16 (01:02:31):
Well, I've got one that's probably gonna come up on Saturday.
And only because I was talking to him and it
was a timate of yours and Devin told me that
you said before the ravens AFC Championship game. It wasn't
Bill saying it, He said you said it, And you said, guys,
this one's on us. The front seven, we got the
run covered. Yeah, it was Cedric Maxwell. Jump on my back,

(01:02:53):
he said, jump on my back. I'm gonna take care
of you guys. And he said the next day after
the win, that Bill was in the auditorium going over
the tape and he looks and he just circled. He goes,
this is a dominating performance twenty eleven. As to Championship
Game eleven, tackles a couple of sacks. I mean, that's

(01:03:14):
that's putting your money where your mouth is. Do you
think of that when you look back at your career, Vince,
as one of your best games.

Speaker 9 (01:03:19):
Absolutely, And I like that game because of what it
meant for us. You know, we was coming up against
a team that we always is a grind. We knew
it was going to be physical. We knew they wasn't
going to lay down they We knew that they was
gonna match whatever we put on the field. But in

(01:03:41):
my mindset, it was like, listen, we better than them.
This is our home turf, and we got assured playing
and simple, it's nothing else to talk about. So I
knew going into what it meant, and I knew how
much the team looked up to me, and they listen
when I speak. So I had to always be careful

(01:04:01):
of what I say when I say things, because I
know they're gonna they're gonna take what I said, and
this is how it's gonna be. But I knew that game.
I'm like, listen here, they're not gonna beat us, because
we're gonna win. Up front, we don't want, we don't
want you guys back there worrying about to run. And
we got this. I don't care if it's seven in
the box or six in the box, because it was

(01:04:22):
times where we had six men in the biy and
we used to call it big. Bill, tell us, you
guys have to play big. We won short, okay, Coach,
not a problem. If that's the game plan, we would
do that. And I just knew how important that game
was for us as an organization, as a patriot, for
our fans, and being in front of our crowd, you know.

(01:04:46):
And I always looked over there too. They had ed reed,
they had you know, Ray Lewis, they had a Loanada,
they had a squad. So I'm saying it's us versus y'all.
I don't care what you do offensively, Tom, I really
don't care. It's us versus Ray and his defense period

(01:05:09):
and what happened.

Speaker 6 (01:05:10):
Right, So when you go, you know, Randy Shannon told
you you're going to be the first to win a ring.
You win it as a rookie.

Speaker 3 (01:05:17):
Oh, this is.

Speaker 6 (01:05:17):
Easy, And they say this with all the respects, and
I don't want to come off as a spoiled little Bostonian.
Who Oh I had to wait ten years before I
got another typle? How was that ten years? Like from
four to fourteen?

Speaker 9 (01:05:33):
You said it, Yeah, because that's the first thing I said.
I win it my first year. Because you got to
realize when I get down the University of Miami my
first year, we win it, right, we win it. The
next year we go back Ohio State, we lost that.
We all know what that is. So here I am,
my first year in the league as a rookie. I
win another one. So to me winning easy And guess

(01:05:53):
what I've lost? What three game? Four game in college?
So it's like I'm used to winning. It's going to
happen all the time. Year one go by, we don't
make it. Your two go by, we don't make it
your three we go by. So now I'm scratching my hair.
I'm like, man, jeez, I thought that's gonna be easy,
you know. So you start appreciate what you've done and

(01:06:14):
what you've accomplished, and how hard it.

Speaker 16 (01:06:16):
Is to win because the other guys you're getting paid too.

Speaker 9 (01:06:18):
Yeah, so it's like, okay, it ain't that easy, you know.
So I had to humble myself, like Okay, this don't
come by all the time like that. So that's why
what I would say to the Patriots fans is this,
for two decades, we ran the NFL. Nobody would never
see this again while we're living. I truly believe that

(01:06:38):
we ran it. We need to appreciate what's been done
and how it's how it was done over these past
two decades.

Speaker 16 (01:06:49):
Can you now that?

Speaker 1 (01:06:52):
And now great moments history?

Speaker 3 (01:06:57):
I don't know about that.

Speaker 5 (01:06:59):
I have to disagree respectfull.

Speaker 3 (01:07:07):
Uh Tom from Connecticut rites and do you think the
Patriots o line was overrated the last few years? It
was just average, but was being helped greatly by Brady.
Just curious on your thoughts.

Speaker 6 (01:07:18):
I do think Brady Brady greatly helped the offensive line.

Speaker 7 (01:07:22):
Sure, quick throws, quick throws.

Speaker 6 (01:07:26):
His presence allows you to run the ball. I think
there's a lot of a lot of ways that I
think Brady positively impacted the offense, but I also think
people are sleeping a lot on the offensive line. It
was just, I mean, other than you.

Speaker 3 (01:07:38):
Can't you can't compliment Brady, Mike's got to come in.
I god forbid.

Speaker 1 (01:07:45):
That's another great moment.

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Speaker 8 (01:08:42):
No?

Speaker 4 (01:08:42):
Not directly. But I think if you hear a review
and something tested favorably for consumer reports, then I take
that as a positive. You do.

Speaker 6 (01:08:47):
I do as well, But I use Fred as my
consumer reports as Fred does do a lot of research
on a lot of different things, and I trust them and.

Speaker 2 (01:08:56):
Fred, and then if it's just that Costco, it's probably
good too.

Speaker 4 (01:09:00):
I got to Costco whole store.

Speaker 5 (01:09:02):
Anything.

Speaker 2 (01:09:03):
My mattresses is absolutely from Costco. Came in a.

Speaker 5 (01:09:06):
Box fair enough, pop out one of those, can't.

Speaker 2 (01:09:09):
Get it back in.

Speaker 3 (01:09:09):
So it's a memory phone.

Speaker 2 (01:09:13):
It's I don't know it's it's actually there's a lot
of firmness in it. I don't like memory, so.

Speaker 3 (01:09:19):
How does it squish? Then? If it's not memory, that's.

Speaker 2 (01:09:22):
A great question. I'd love to see. Go to the
factory see how they do it. Vacuum seal. They like
roll it up really.

Speaker 3 (01:09:29):
Tightly and I know, but you can't. You can't roll
up like a coil. Well, it's nice a spring. Yeah,
I'm wondering, what's it? What's it?

Speaker 2 (01:09:38):
Look into?

Speaker 4 (01:09:39):
Open?

Speaker 3 (01:09:40):
You should know what's in your match?

Speaker 4 (01:09:41):
See that little boy all over the.

Speaker 5 (01:09:43):
Dock shot it's like two different covers.

Speaker 4 (01:09:48):
Sorry, I'm still gonna watch Jazz. By the way, she's
you know, I watch I.

Speaker 5 (01:09:52):
Don't buy his party, watched Interest or.

Speaker 2 (01:09:56):
Paul did watch Interstellar. So I have to keep up.

Speaker 6 (01:09:59):
Three hours to a long movie. And you like that
it was good? It was good.

Speaker 5 (01:10:04):
I like you're saying, Jaws isn't a long movie.

Speaker 4 (01:10:06):
Well, if you don't want buy the Summer, it's coming
back out in theaters in August, and now you're gonna
be forced to go.

Speaker 3 (01:10:11):
Us is coming back remastered, will be in it, right,
and it'll look like a real shark.

Speaker 2 (01:10:23):
Mechanical.

Speaker 6 (01:10:24):
Your nose jogs. Oh no, a great movie, all right?

Speaker 4 (01:10:27):
Great, they're going to add the deleted scenes to this.
Oh yeah, they're ad Alice getting chopped out like an
extended cut.

Speaker 6 (01:10:34):
Just to let everyone know. Evans is about thirty four
seconds away from a backhand.

Speaker 5 (01:10:39):
I'd love to see it. I just love to tease
you guys.

Speaker 4 (01:10:44):
You're in the corner now, you're jows hater guy, and
that's where you'll stay.

Speaker 3 (01:10:47):
Yeah, exactly, Tony writes in Chances that Dig starts the
season on p Up. This would give the Patriots four
more weeks to decide if they should give up on Baker.
Or even Poke, maybe even trade Born. It would suck
to not have may build chemistry with Digs from the
get go, but it would ensure hopefully that Digs is
one hundred percent ready to go and gives him more

(01:11:08):
time to strengthen his knee and make it less likely
to reaggravate the injury.

Speaker 4 (01:11:12):
I was just saying, now, I'm not optimistic that Javon
Baker is going to be able to take the team
this year. I mean, with Josh McDaniel's offense and what's required.
Unless Javon Baker has turned over a new leaf, which
maybe he has, I think will know pretty quick.

Speaker 6 (01:11:24):
You're not buying those tidbits from the combine from the
various reporters.

Speaker 4 (01:11:27):
I'm not buying. I do think he's talented. I mean,
I buy that they think he's a very talented wide receiver.
I just I have a feeling that the mental load
is going to increase a little bit with Josh McDaniels
and his expectations and his experience as an offensive coordinator.
I think it'll be a little bit harder on these
offensive receivers.

Speaker 3 (01:11:44):
So I see, not too hard.

Speaker 5 (01:11:46):
I definitely think that because it'd be.

Speaker 3 (01:11:48):
A mistake to think that you can do what you
did when Brady was here.

Speaker 4 (01:11:51):
Now I hear what you're saying, and I mean we
got into a little bit of that last show, I think,
but I still think that Josh's experience I did like
two things in their friend I gotta ask those Yeah,
but Josh's experience would just be more demanding of them,
regardless of how much the offense is asking them to process.
That's where I think it'll Jesus hard. Would you get

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your own out of us?

Speaker 6 (01:12:14):
So I want to work something because earlier in the
show we were talking about some random things with the
wide receivers and you had like kind of a throwaway
line that resonated with me about Polk Jalen Polk, Yeah,
because I had I sort of look at him as
a second year's second round guy. He's going to get
one more chance at minimum, And you were like, I'm

(01:12:37):
not so sure about Polk.

Speaker 5 (01:12:39):
I would say that that's the most likely scenario, but
it's not playing for able second round pick, you know,
like he didn't make the pick, and so if they
get into camp and he's not one of the best
receivers on the roster, and I think that when you
change your zeems, you know, kind of go. And I
know Wolf is still here, but for all intents and purposes,

(01:12:59):
it's a it's a different.

Speaker 6 (01:13:00):
Do you think I didn't pick him?

Speaker 3 (01:13:03):
Do you think Rabel's going to have Ryan Cowden in
one air and Elliott Wolf in the other air when
it comes to personnel evaluations on the existing on his
own team?

Speaker 6 (01:13:13):
Not?

Speaker 3 (01:13:13):
You know?

Speaker 4 (01:13:14):
Yeah, But I don't think in a bad way. I
think that's what you want as a head coach. You
want to hear different opinions, and I think you want
to have a guy like Ryan County trusts and Elliott
Wolf has a really good experience too. I think his
opinion is valid regardless of what happened last year with
some of the picks that he made. So I think
that's what you want.

Speaker 3 (01:13:32):
You know. Uh, Tim's in Seattle on the hotline. What's up? Tim?

Speaker 8 (01:13:38):
Hey?

Speaker 18 (01:13:38):
Can you guys hear me?

Speaker 3 (01:13:39):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:13:42):
Yeah?

Speaker 18 (01:13:42):
So I kind of agree with with Evan here. I
don't think the Giants are going to take a quarterback.
I've seen some comparisons of Sugar standards to like Andy
Dalton or Kirk Cousins, and I just don't Stephen need
to pick that player. At three, I think they can
pick Travis Hunter and you know, either set it and
forget it at wide receiver or have a cornerback of

(01:14:05):
the future. So you know, it's kind of interesting. I
think the draft is really going to start at four
with the Patriots, and I am really curious to see
what they do. You know, in my opinion, if they
do have the ability to trade back and land a
Connery or an Ursery and you know, trade up and

(01:14:28):
get a wide receiver, I think that's their best option here.
But I think going for the true left tackle instead
of trying to make it fit with a Memboo or
take a chance on Campbell, you know who we're not
even really sure if he's a tackle, could be a guard.
I think that's their best bet.

Speaker 4 (01:14:49):
I'll leave it at that, Okay. I don't know about
to set it and forget it with Travis Hunter receiver.
I think there's some development that needs to happen there,
and it's a little bit projection. I would say, you're
working with a great piece of clay, of course.

Speaker 3 (01:15:03):
But I love I mean, now that you have digs,
it's not as urgent, you know, like you can experiment
with him. See how he looks in the spring. All
that's so, Like, I'm intrigued if you if you pick Hunter,
no question, just just what you can do with that.

Speaker 4 (01:15:17):
It's got all the tools. But I just don't want
to get ahead of it ourselves. Like let's be let's
be honest. This guy what he was. He was a
cornerback who played a little wide receiver. He was dominant,
but playing NFL wide receiver is a whole different ballgame.
He's got all the skill to do it. But let's
let's let's let's let's let him do it before we
just say, oh, no, no problem.

Speaker 3 (01:15:35):
He's gonna number forget is a little what does it
look like?

Speaker 4 (01:15:38):
Where does he play?

Speaker 8 (01:15:40):
Number one?

Speaker 5 (01:15:41):
Huh? He's a number one receiver.

Speaker 3 (01:15:43):
You think he'd be better than Diggs?

Speaker 4 (01:15:44):
Yes, Immed? Really yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:15:47):
And based on what I mean, DAGs.

Speaker 5 (01:15:50):
Is thirty two years old, Like he's not the guy
that he was five years ago. I just Travis Hunter
to me, like, look, he's not a technician, Like, he's
not a route running technician. He's a playmaker. He's an
athlete at the position. It's you know, there's a lot
of guys that are just that too. You know, not
everybody is is this you know, route running savant, Like

(01:16:10):
a lot of guys just went on pure athleticism, Like
I think a J. Brown is one.

Speaker 3 (01:16:15):
So are you are you saying that on day one
Travis Hunter comes into the league as a fifty to
fifty receiver, one of those guys.

Speaker 5 (01:16:22):
What you like a jump ball receiver?

Speaker 6 (01:16:23):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:16:23):
No, So how's he going to get open if he
doesn't run routes?

Speaker 5 (01:16:26):
Because it's not what I mean by run good routes
is he's not a technician, Like he's not like a
Lad McConkey, right, Like he's not somebody that has great technique,
but he's somebody that's extremely fast and explosive and just
raw athleticism is just better than a lot of other
people that he goes up against. I think that, you know,
if he was in last year's draft with Harrison and Neighbors,

(01:16:48):
I think we'd have be having real conversations about whether
or not he's the best receiver in the draft with
those two in the draft, like he, I think he
gets a little bit under sold as a wide receiver
because that he's played more corner in his college career
than he's played at wide.

Speaker 3 (01:17:03):
But but if and I'm just asking, if you think
that his advantage right now is his athleticism, it's not
his skill as a wide receiver. Doesn't that get diminished
in the NFL because now he's going up against the
best guys in college.

Speaker 5 (01:17:19):
I guess I just put it in.

Speaker 3 (01:17:20):
His career in college where he wasn't going up against
the best guys.

Speaker 6 (01:17:24):
I hear you.

Speaker 5 (01:17:24):
I think I just put it in two different buckets.
Like I think there's there's technicians and then there's guys
that just win as raw athletes, Like I think Jamar
Chase is just a raw athlete. Like I don't think
you just watch Jamar Chase and say, you know, like
we were talking about earlier with Diggs running out routes
like that's teach tape on an out road. No, he's
just bigger, faster, stronger than the guys that he goes

(01:17:45):
up against. He's just a better athlete than people. AJ Brown,
I think it's the same thing we were talking about
DK Metcalf, Like, same thing. I just think that there
are different types of receivers, you know, like Metcalf or
Travis Hunter is not.

Speaker 3 (01:17:58):
He's not bigger, faster, than the guys he's going up again,
he's more explosive.

Speaker 5 (01:18:01):
He's definitely faster, you know, and he's he's twitchy and
he's sudden with his movements.

Speaker 3 (01:18:06):
You know.

Speaker 5 (01:18:06):
I just think that it's different types. Like, you know,
is he a lad McConkie Keenan Allen, you know that
type of receiver. No, he's He's a raw, explosiveness type
of receiver.

Speaker 3 (01:18:17):
Yeah, listen, I hope you're right.

Speaker 6 (01:18:19):
I would also just say that he has elite ball skills,
and I think that is skip that's.

Speaker 3 (01:18:23):
Ability, okay, right hands, Yeah, but.

Speaker 6 (01:18:26):
Ball skills like plays on the ball in the air. Yeah,
it's not tracking, just like you're gonna throw in the ball,
he's going to catch it every time. Again, throwing right
to him to catch it, he goes and gets it, yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:18:36):
Or his yards after the catch ability, Like this is
a guy that when you hit him, you know, on
a crossing route going over the middle of the field,
he can turn a twelve yard target into a fifty
yard touchdown like that. You know, those types of guys
are are just they're different. You know, Travis Hunter, I
think his comps are much more of that type of
player than you know, copping him to somebody that's like

(01:18:57):
a great route runner. And I think that those are
just two different things.

Speaker 3 (01:19:00):
Okay, Eldred in North Carolina, Hey, Aldred, Hey Ala, say fellows,
how y'all doing all right?

Speaker 6 (01:19:07):
Big day for you, Eldred?

Speaker 4 (01:19:09):
Big day?

Speaker 8 (01:19:10):
Yep it is.

Speaker 11 (01:19:11):
But uh, Evan, yes, sir, like I try, I tell
you yesterday, you're underselling Dunte thought ak Milton about it.
That was his deep threat. Now the guy's good on
three routes and he all goes through to get man
pressed and he runs with it. His weakness is safety
over top. Other than that, he tracked the ball well
and he got speed. He runs by everybody. But so

(01:19:33):
play this one game I played yesterday, and Evan, I
love you. Bart answers on you. What the fellas gotta say?
If Hunter is sitting there at four Dallas come up
to you, well, they give you this number, this number one,
they number two, next year one, next year three? Would
you trade that pick and they want Hunter?

Speaker 3 (01:19:55):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (01:19:55):
Would yes?

Speaker 8 (01:19:56):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (01:19:56):
Take it off the air, all right, take it off
the air.

Speaker 6 (01:19:59):
Three for three picks and the pick swap. Yes, yes,
of course I would do that.

Speaker 4 (01:20:03):
Yeah, no hesitation, that's a franchise altering hall of drugs,
no hesitation.

Speaker 6 (01:20:11):
I just was a little disappointed that I thought Elder
would be a little bit more excited about Stefan Dicks.

Speaker 4 (01:20:15):
Oh, what's today's big day?

Speaker 19 (01:20:17):
Was?

Speaker 6 (01:20:17):
He signed a wide receiver? That's all I ever want today? Right?

Speaker 5 (01:20:21):
Was a little type. He's d like, he's like the
big but he.

Speaker 6 (01:20:25):
Loves wide receivers. I'm a little disappointed he didn't seemed
I thought it would be satisfy everybody four hours, come down.

Speaker 3 (01:20:35):
Sean and Vancouver. Hey, Sean, uh Fred.

Speaker 20 (01:20:39):
I have two things. So first, Paul, I completely agree
with you about Digg. I'm concerned about the injury. And
diva is so subjective because there's so many different types.
And we know, yeah, he's gonna go on the sideline
and he's gonna be in Drakeney's space about wanting the ball,
but Drake may will be back with him when as

(01:21:00):
soon as he drops and say you want the ball,
catch it. So that's one type of diva. But you know,
we don't want the divas who aren't going to practice,
who are going to take plays off, wh aren't going
to block.

Speaker 6 (01:21:10):
I think lack of effort diva is different than emotional,
you know, passionate diva.

Speaker 20 (01:21:16):
I agree, Yeah, we want the passion, so that's that'll
be good. The other thing, do you're completely about the
defense and I love that. And you said that you
have your depth chart already, so I'd love to hear
what you think the starting seven will be uh for
the Patriots defense, and I'll take it off there.

Speaker 3 (01:21:35):
Thanks, all right, thanks Sean Well.

Speaker 4 (01:21:37):
I think the four free agents are going to be
the front I mean Landry Tonga, Williams, Chasing, I mean
bar More. I'm talking about like a base defense, like
a four to two five kind of Nickel Bentley and Splain.
I kind of like those two together, big physical guy,
little guy to run around and make plays. And then
really it's just a quiet I mean Davis Gonzalez obviously

(01:21:57):
in the outside. Really just a question of who's your
slot receive and who's your third safety. That's where I
that's where I think the question is right now, how
do they want to play? Do they want to continue
to play with these three safety looks? Or do they
want to get back to a pure slot corner. But
I otherwise I would say that's your guy, and I'd
just love to have. We talked about the front seven
before this. Love to have that third rotational defensive end

(01:22:21):
pass rusher type stud rookie kid come in. Who can
you know, not have to jump right in because you've
got Chase on and Landry, but you have a third
guy to go to and bring you some juice in
on third down, Bring him in, bring you know, you
gotta love the pass rush package. I think there's a
lot there to work with Williams and Barmore and if
you just get one of those guys on the edge
that can really tear around the corner, they could be

(01:22:41):
cooking with something.

Speaker 5 (01:22:42):
Yeah, I would like to think that maybe Tonga could
be pushed by a rookie sure, you know, with this
class especially, but I agree with you as if it
were to be today, then that would probably be the
starting front seven. Maybe, you know, Tonga gets pushed by
by somebody that can play the nose tackle on a
little higher level.

Speaker 4 (01:23:00):
Probably find somebody like that's. Yeah, it seems like a
hard position to locate, as you do like the big
boards and the mock drafts and all that stuff is
like who's their guy, who's their big fatty? In the
fourth round, you know who is that.

Speaker 6 (01:23:10):
One and right?

Speaker 5 (01:23:11):
Because they're they're probably not going to play like a
natural head up nose tackle either. It's probably going to
be shaded into the A gap. So like, do they
still want it to be penetrating or do they want
a space eater? Like those things are going to matter
to you know, Dion Walker is going to just eat
up blocks, right, Like, is that what you're looking for?
Or are you looking for you know, CJ. West who
can get up the field a little bit more? Like,
I think that's tough to say until we see them

(01:23:33):
make a pick there.

Speaker 6 (01:23:34):
So who was your four Williams with.

Speaker 4 (01:23:37):
The front I mean I had. I mean, I guess
you could say Barmore or Tonga, but Williams. Let's say Williams.

Speaker 6 (01:23:43):
Okay, all right, will Andrey.

Speaker 4 (01:23:44):
And Chase On on the outside, then Bentley and Spilling.

Speaker 6 (01:23:48):
Yeah, you don't think Keon White will be one of
those guys? No, I don't think chasea On will be
one of those guys. I think chasea will be in
your pass rush package.

Speaker 5 (01:23:57):
Yeah, I think I think you could be right about that.

Speaker 4 (01:23:59):
I don't know, I think I think I.

Speaker 6 (01:24:01):
Don't think he's a full time player in.

Speaker 4 (01:24:03):
Your past Russ package.

Speaker 6 (01:24:04):
I don't like that. I think Chase On has the
ability to get after the passer key On White has
the ability to disrupt the pocket, you know, but not
necessarily a dynamic pass rusher, Whereas on third down, I
want Chase On coming off the edge, screaming off the edge.

Speaker 4 (01:24:18):
I mean, I've never I've never been high on White.

Speaker 6 (01:24:20):
See I have been play very high on Chase On
and Imson. I'm envisioning like my my draft promise coming
coming through, like I loved him coming out, and I've
been so wrong. I don't think it's I don't think it's.

Speaker 4 (01:24:33):
A slam dunk with him. But where we stand right now,
before the draft and before anyone else signs, I just
I don't like the idea four three defensive end going
against tackles every time. He's going to have to really
improve and change some of his stuff.

Speaker 5 (01:24:48):
I do wonder does Rabel kind of try to take
Kean White under his rent wing a little bit and
try to coach him up on some of the things
that he claimed that he wasn't getting coached up on
last year, and and how does make him a better player.
But I'm with you. I think Williams further that he
is away from the ball the worst that Keon White
is right when he gets outside the tackle and he's

(01:25:09):
rushing on tackles. He said in himself, like or not
saying anything that he hasn't already. I always use that,
you know, he said, Yeah, he literally said it himself,
that he's not as good out there now. Terrell william
is another good shot. Like, he's supposedly a fantastic defensive
line coach, one of the best in the league. So
maybe the two of them can put their heads together
and get the most out of play.

Speaker 3 (01:25:30):
A little Patriots March Madness trivia ready? Question one, Which
former Patriot player was the first Golden Eagle in school
history to play both football and basketball?

Speaker 6 (01:25:41):
Former Patriot player was the first Golden Eagle to play football?

Speaker 3 (01:25:45):
Man, that's Minnesota, their Gophers. Who the Golden Eagle?

Speaker 6 (01:25:50):
Oh? I thought he was talking about a BC player.

Speaker 3 (01:25:54):
No, Oh, that's Jamie.

Speaker 6 (01:25:56):
Did Jamie Collins play?

Speaker 3 (01:25:58):
No, Well, that's not the answer. Hint Won almost entirely
a bench player. He totaled seventy two points and forty
eight rebounds in his short collegiate career. That's that's tough.
Hint two. His powerful physique allowed him to play power
forward at the height of just six to two. No,
this versatile one time All Pro I don't settled into

(01:26:20):
the linebacker position at the NFL level, but at times
he took snaps as both a defensive lineman and defensive
back with his nimble two hundred and seventy pound frame.
Sam hunt a Dahlias Thomas with some hoops.

Speaker 6 (01:26:36):
Wait, like, what's the Golden Eagles Marquette? Okay, Dalis Thomas
went to Marquette.

Speaker 3 (01:26:44):
I don't know about that.

Speaker 7 (01:26:45):
I'm saying it's the Marquete Golden Eagles.

Speaker 6 (01:26:47):
Oh, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:26:49):
That was great When we get trivia questions, where were.

Speaker 6 (01:26:51):
I don't think.

Speaker 5 (01:26:52):
I don't think Thomas went to Southern Miss.

Speaker 3 (01:26:54):
Southern Miss. That could be the goal.

Speaker 6 (01:26:55):
That's what I was thinking. Jamie Collins didn't he go
to Southern Miss. He did, Okay, so that's what I
was thinking.

Speaker 5 (01:27:00):
Eagles, they are the Golden Eagles.

Speaker 3 (01:27:01):
Are the Golden Eagles? Okay? Random, so not a total disaster.

Speaker 6 (01:27:06):
Which a good question. I had no idea you played basketball.

Speaker 3 (01:27:09):
Which former Patriots players college basketball team played in the
NCAA Tournament each of his two seasons. Oh, this is tough.

Speaker 6 (01:27:20):
Couldn't that be a million?

Speaker 3 (01:27:20):
It could be a million people, right? His team lost
by one point to Memphis in the seven Sweet sixteen. Paul,
that should be a giveaway.

Speaker 6 (01:27:29):
Yeah, no, no, I have committed to memory the Sweet
sixteen from seven?

Speaker 3 (01:27:33):
Why don't you sorry? In the five six season, he
became the first Aggie to let her in both football
and basketball since nineteen sixty nine.

Speaker 5 (01:27:43):
So Texas A and.

Speaker 4 (01:27:44):
M but not Ty Warren that he's a Texas A.

Speaker 3 (01:27:49):
And Finally, while this Patriots super Bowl winner, author and
generally imaginative mind had a short and productive stint with
the Patriots, his older brother, Yes, Marty Bennett. Marty Bennett.
Final question.

Speaker 6 (01:28:06):
I wouldn't have gotten it from that one either. Those
are good questions.

Speaker 3 (01:28:09):
Which near Patriot player averaged twenty six point eight minutes,
ten point three points, and six point seven rebounds per
game in senior his senior year in college? Oh this
is this isn't? This isn't. I would never get this
familiar Patriot?

Speaker 6 (01:28:24):
Yeah, how does what?

Speaker 3 (01:28:25):
How doesn't even know what that means?

Speaker 6 (01:28:27):
Larry Fitzgerald, He's the nearest Patriot.

Speaker 3 (01:28:29):
The answer is Cedric Lang.

Speaker 6 (01:28:32):
I've never even heard that name. Yeah, I thought for
sure we were going to get I thought we were
going to get a like a Roosevelt Covin, Miles Covin. Thank. Oh, right,
Rosie's sun is a good player for Purdue.

Speaker 3 (01:28:50):
Other other fun facts, Drake May's brother Luke May won
a national title with North Carolina.

Speaker 5 (01:28:55):
We might see that Chris Hogan played lacrosse, you know, like, yes,
we all are aware.

Speaker 3 (01:29:00):
And the following Patriots were high school basketball standouts. Mikeahsicki,
Willie McGinnis, Randy Moss, Ron Grikowski, Kyle dug Or, Drake May,
Julian Edelman, West Welcome, Matt Castle, Drew Bledsoe, and Ty Law.

Speaker 4 (01:29:13):
I don't know you played hoops.

Speaker 5 (01:29:14):
Yeah, Kyle Duggar is actually really good at basketball. Gasiki
also really good at basketball. I think the rest of
those guys were surviving on pure athleticisms.

Speaker 6 (01:29:24):
JJ Watts basketball tape. It's amazing powering through guys.

Speaker 5 (01:29:29):
Drake May. Drake May's got a jump shot like. Drake
May's got skill like he can shoot threes and handle
the ball a little bit. But yes, Luke May very
famous North Carolina targ go in.

Speaker 6 (01:29:40):
The locker room next year, go over to the defensive
backs and ask them all if they thought they could
have played in the NBA.

Speaker 2 (01:29:47):
They all think they can.

Speaker 6 (01:29:48):
They all think they can.

Speaker 4 (01:29:49):
I don't think he can.

Speaker 5 (01:29:49):
I would actually.

Speaker 2 (01:29:50):
Say, whenever we asked them for like static cams, what
would you be doing if you were in an NFL player,
I'd say fifty of them in the NBA.

Speaker 5 (01:29:58):
Which is probably not true, but I would say the best.
Now that's sick, he's gone. I think Drake is probably
the best basketball player on the team. Should be Yeah,
he was very Most people thought he could have played
at North Caroline.

Speaker 6 (01:30:11):
A lot of people said that he could have. He
could have played college basketball, but he focused.

Speaker 3 (01:30:15):
On Adam from Crown Point, Indiana. A couple of things.
Who do you think our Week one opponent will be?
I have us at Tampa with Brady on the call.

Speaker 4 (01:30:24):
Oh god, it's a decent one.

Speaker 3 (01:30:27):
I think it'll be an AFC East opponent, Buffalo.

Speaker 6 (01:30:29):
I know this changes now, not to pooh pooh this
because I know it's not the point. But games can
be on different networks. But if it's at Tampa, it
would probably be a CBS game could be right, not
a Fox game.

Speaker 4 (01:30:41):
Yeah, well that's how it used to be, right, But.

Speaker 6 (01:30:43):
That's why I said, I know they've changed this. The
wuls are blurred and they just sort of try to
they try to balance out the good games between the
networks now. But in general, if it was a home
game against an NFC team, that's when you get it
on Fox.

Speaker 4 (01:30:57):
What about on the road at Titans Titans?

Speaker 6 (01:31:00):
Yeah, I mean that could be another one that'd be
good for the Patriots because that should be a nice
for you and the marketing storyline with Rable exactly, is
that my applying too much pressure by presuming a victory
over the Tennessee Titans.

Speaker 3 (01:31:14):
A lot of people think, oh, they'll put Digs with Buffalo,
and no, they won't take the chance that Digs won't
be ready.

Speaker 5 (01:31:21):
Right, Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 6 (01:31:22):
Yeah, I'm not really sure that's anywhere near the theater
of these other possibilities like Rabel and Tennessee would.

Speaker 5 (01:31:29):
Make a sense. Dwarf that it might be.

Speaker 3 (01:31:33):
Cam Ward also, Adam wants to know any any truth
to the rumor of new uniforms coming. That's what you question, Freda,
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (01:31:41):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:31:42):
We'd have to wait and see.

Speaker 6 (01:31:43):
Alex is our resident on all rumors? Is there rumors
out there that were about.

Speaker 3 (01:31:51):
Uniforms every year?

Speaker 2 (01:31:53):
Because I think we put out like a cartoon graphic
for Valentine's Day and a bunch of speculations started for
not and it's like, it's just a cartoon.

Speaker 6 (01:32:02):
That's why I go to you, because I don't see
this cartoonish characters.

Speaker 2 (01:32:06):
If we leaked something like that, Ali would be, Oh,
like we get.

Speaker 6 (01:32:12):
In trouble, wouldn't we Sure we should?

Speaker 3 (01:32:15):
Yeah, I don't people read into the uniform Chris with
a T I A N wrights in Paul, if you
backhand Evan, I'll post your bail.

Speaker 6 (01:32:25):
Would you?

Speaker 5 (01:32:25):
Would you?

Speaker 2 (01:32:25):
Would you press charges?

Speaker 3 (01:32:26):
Would you press charges? And Paul backhanded you?

Speaker 4 (01:32:28):
Probably because he wearing his Hall of famering when he
does it.

Speaker 6 (01:32:31):
Or I don't know why we keep saying that. I
couldn't even figure out what year. Someone was asking me
what year that happened. I was like, I don't know,
it's like twelve fifteen years ago. I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:32:44):
I brought my my Holy Cross League Championship ring to
the game last weekend when I went to the playoff game,
but it didn't do any didn't an I haven't like
pulled it out in forever. I was like, I've got
to bring this. I've never won this.

Speaker 3 (01:32:54):
Holy Cross lead ship. Was it made out of ten?

Speaker 4 (01:32:57):
No, it's from Jostin's I think is that the name
of the that's one of them? Just ring deal. Well, sorry, guys,
I don't have a Super Bowl ring like you guys do,
so I have to use my own.

Speaker 3 (01:33:09):
So okay, could.

Speaker 6 (01:33:13):
Have been in full disclosure, I would rather have yours.
It's like I'm on staff. I didn't do anything. You
actually played quarterback of PP two.

Speaker 3 (01:33:24):
You speaking of holy Cross remind me of Celtic City
because Bob I watched that first a lot of Bob Coo.

Speaker 4 (01:33:30):
Yeah, that's great. I'm only one episode in. I know
these guys are super basketball fans, but for me, I'm
obviously just I couldn't. I was telling him, I can't
believe how good Bill Russell was, Like just what a
mammoth he was and how aletic. Right, I know, but
I've seen Bill up there. He could pay today like he.

Speaker 6 (01:33:50):
Was really really good.

Speaker 4 (01:33:51):
If you say.

Speaker 6 (01:33:52):
Larry Bird, Lawrence Burn.

Speaker 3 (01:33:56):
Alive.

Speaker 6 (01:33:58):
I don't know why I like Bill Russell was arguably
the greatest winner in the history of sport. Yea, and
Mike just came around you.

Speaker 19 (01:34:11):
I like the joke, but in fact, like I've seen him,
but in the documentary, I really get a sense of
what kind of player he was, Like you can exactly
what you stopped top five players, but that's what you
see why and when they run that stuff, it's like
left the team incredibly athletic.

Speaker 6 (01:34:27):
You know, it just took them two years to get
back and win again.

Speaker 5 (01:34:31):
Really right, all of that, he's the top five player.

Speaker 3 (01:34:36):
Of all time.

Speaker 4 (01:34:37):
Yeah, I can see you are you are?

Speaker 3 (01:34:41):
Jason writes in do you guys think the Giants bringing
in two quarterbacks singles? They know the Titans are taking
Ward and the Browns are taking Shador.

Speaker 5 (01:34:49):
That's the that's the positive, the glass half full way
to look at it as a Patriots, But I don't think.

Speaker 4 (01:34:56):
Like if God answered Jameis Winston's prayers that he can
stop throwing picks, then they might he might finally turn
the corner and be able to win some games.

Speaker 3 (01:35:03):
Bell in San Diego. I think Evan is suffering from
recency bias in regards to where Travis Hunter would go.
In last year's draft, Harrison was seen as a generational talent,
and Neighbors was seen as a tick below. Everyone I
have heard speak on this subject has said Hunter would
be the fourth wide receiver at best, and likely he'd
be the fifth taken, which likely puts him in the

(01:35:25):
second round. Evan, please cite any instance of one of
the experts saying they think Hunter would even be in
the conversation of being taken before Harrison had he come
out last year. Who are your sources?

Speaker 5 (01:35:37):
Me, I don't need to listen to the other expert.

Speaker 3 (01:35:40):
But you do have to admit the way they were
talking about Harrison now it didn't pan out.

Speaker 5 (01:35:44):
Would I would say that I would have Travis Hunter
as the third best receiver in last year's class. But
I'm not saying he's in the ballpark like and I'm
saying that he's the fourth or the fifth. Is crazy?
I mean, that's definitely. I don't think anybody feels that way.
I just saw Topicshite tweeted out the other day that
he would have had him as the third receiver in
last year's class two So okay, but I said he

(01:36:06):
would be in the conversation let's go back to this.

Speaker 6 (01:36:09):
If you think it would be laughable to say that Harrison, Neighbors,
and Thomas are better than Travis Hunter.

Speaker 5 (01:36:17):
Well, Thomas is that's recency biased because we saw what
he did in Jacksonville. Oh yeah, but no, we're saying.

Speaker 6 (01:36:24):
What he was like that wasn't he like the fourteenth pick?

Speaker 5 (01:36:27):
No, it's like twenty. But regardless when they were entering
the draft, like if I had the blessings of hindsight, okay,
you know, like Neighbors would be number one and Brian
Thomas Junior would be number two. Marvin Harrison Junior would.

Speaker 6 (01:36:42):
So when you were saying that you were you're you're
just judging them coming out of the draft last year.
That's yeah, that's different. Yeah, that's that's.

Speaker 3 (01:36:49):
Coming out of the draft last year would have been.

Speaker 6 (01:36:51):
No one would have been over Harrison. It was the
greatest wide receiver prospect that It drove me crazy because
I thought Neighbors was better. But everybody told me that
this is a generational talent that comes along once every decade.
Blah blah blah blah blah. Right, and the Patriots should
take him at three. Remember how how many people want
to Marvin Harrison.

Speaker 8 (01:37:07):
At I didn't.

Speaker 5 (01:37:09):
But just like I was running, I was not saying
that he would be the best Travis Hunter would be
the best receiver last year. I was just thinking he
would be in that court.

Speaker 6 (01:37:18):
No, no, no, like that's all I thought you were talking about.
Based on what's happened, you're saying coming out, that's a
whole different thing, right, I think that far more defense.

Speaker 5 (01:37:26):
Okay, So now he's a top ten percond every.

Speaker 3 (01:37:28):
Footnote that way. Do you think now Travis Hunter is
better than Melik Neighbors, are going to be better than
Melik Neighbors as a receiver.

Speaker 5 (01:37:37):
Based off of what I don't, based off of whatever,
Based on what you've seen so far, I say no,
But that's because we've seen proof of concept with Molik Neighbors.

Speaker 3 (01:37:47):
Like, no, no, that's fair enough. It's fair enough. But like,
are you gonna risk taking the fourth on Travis Hunter
and make him a receiver?

Speaker 5 (01:37:53):
I don't think it's a risk.

Speaker 2 (01:37:55):
Okay, But Evan for months now has been saying that
his ability as a receiver seriously underrated. And oh yeah,
Like Evan was the first person I heard that was
just like all in on him.

Speaker 6 (01:38:09):
We need the experts to tell you that if anybody
would know, it would be Alex because she's subjected to
sit next to you as you're just watching the video time.

Speaker 5 (01:38:18):
I've only watched Travis Hunter like three times.

Speaker 3 (01:38:20):
So Alex, when you're you know, because you people don't know.
Theyre like Evan. We call it the bullpen. But they
share an area. So when Evan is watching film, does
he like make noises.

Speaker 6 (01:38:31):
Like watch this, watch this, watch this cut?

Speaker 2 (01:38:37):
No, he's locked in.

Speaker 3 (01:38:38):
He doesn't like he's locked in.

Speaker 2 (01:38:40):
He might shift a little, but I haven't picked up
on like the mannerisms and what they mean yet.

Speaker 5 (01:38:45):
But I'll we could take you a lot behind the newsletter,
but there's no.

Speaker 4 (01:38:49):
Like, oh I don't know where you're here.

Speaker 2 (01:38:52):
No one's earned it yet, you know, so maybe I'm not.

Speaker 5 (01:38:54):
I'm at the I'm so deep into it now that
like anybody that was going to get a new and
I've already watched, like yeah, like we're really taled. This
morning I was.

Speaker 6 (01:39:03):
Talking, he's already watched everybody.

Speaker 5 (01:39:05):
This morning, I was talking. I was watching Terrence ferguson
The tight End from Oregon. It's a good player, but
like it's not you're not going to sit here and
be owing and eyeing over Terrence ferguson fourth round.

Speaker 4 (01:39:16):
Yeah, well, yesterday we were down in the bullpen and
some numbers came in. Yes Ah, and young Evan Uh,
you know, felt the need to come out and tell you.
I think Paul, were you use you and Matt.

Speaker 6 (01:39:29):
We're all there.

Speaker 3 (01:39:32):
A great segue.

Speaker 6 (01:39:33):
Wants to get into this, that's.

Speaker 3 (01:39:34):
A great segue. So you're referring to the numbers of
uh Campbell's arm length at his pro day, which came
in at thirty three.

Speaker 6 (01:39:44):
But what's the threshold again.

Speaker 3 (01:39:46):
Thirty thirty three. But our friend Alex Barth, who has
been doing a deep dive investigative reporting, has come out
with a chart that now is his chart is right
up there with Jimmy Johnson's draft trade value charts. Paul
came in and showed it right up there. Everyone's talking

(01:40:08):
about it, and he's uncovered. Show he's uncovered perhaps one
of the greatest controversies ever to do with off season
draft and all this stuff. And he's taken all these
you know, pro days and to combine and compared it
and combine everybody has higher arm measurements than the combine.

(01:40:32):
He's uncovered that there has to be a flaw in
the combine because all these other measurement tent pole events
had arms longer than the combine. And he's got the proof.

Speaker 5 (01:40:44):
And just for the record, before Paul snarkiness kicks in,
I'm not going to have it's not just like Will Campbell.

Speaker 3 (01:40:51):
Everybody, it's across the board.

Speaker 5 (01:40:53):
Now, I would also say, which I think is just
this is honestly one of the craziest things I've ever
seen in ten years covering the draft. We have three
different arm length measurements for Will Campbell. All three of
them are different, so like there has to be one
that's right right, there has to be an accurate measurement.
But last spring he measures in at thirty two and
seven eights, then at the combine he measured in thirty

(01:41:16):
two and five as then at his pro day he
measured in at thirty three flat. So like we're in
the we're all in like a range right of a
half an inch, Like we're not talking about inches here.
But it's just I've never seen the conversation, the discourse
around it, the varying.

Speaker 2 (01:41:33):
Now get to another level and track the temperatures of
each of these places, because.

Speaker 4 (01:41:38):
Because it's unbelievable, things grow.

Speaker 19 (01:41:40):
It shrinking like there's always such as.

Speaker 5 (01:41:43):
One of the things.

Speaker 3 (01:41:44):
One of our one of our readers, and you know,
hear me out here. One of our readers had a
good point. He's assuming that they the measurement goes to
the fingertip, right.

Speaker 5 (01:41:52):
It goes to the paint tip at the long finger.

Speaker 3 (01:41:55):
Right, okay, middle finger. But you don't punch like this.
You punch like this. So what if somebody has extremely
long or short fingers, that shouldn't matter. It should be
to the heel of the hand. I'm serious, because that's
what you do. You don't go out like you're gonna
break your things. So if you have short or long fingers,

(01:42:18):
that could be the difference of three eighths.

Speaker 4 (01:42:21):
What's his hand length? Do we have his hand size?

Speaker 5 (01:42:23):
We do have his hand size. But I would just
say that I hate it doesn't make.

Speaker 3 (01:42:30):
Sense to you because you go like this when you block, right,
So I want to know another measurement to the heel
in the hands.

Speaker 6 (01:42:39):
Everybody else, right, but.

Speaker 3 (01:42:41):
Not if somebody has abnormally long or short.

Speaker 5 (01:42:44):
Fingers, if they have alien hands exactly, I'd rather have
long I'd rather have the guy with the long hands.

Speaker 6 (01:42:49):
Why because you have more rooms? All do what more reach?

Speaker 3 (01:42:53):
He's not catching the ball if you're throwing or catching,
I could see.

Speaker 6 (01:42:56):
This is this is like the fifteenth show in a row.
I'll say this, Okay, I have no idea, Like I
don't know about the length of the arms. I don't
know why it matters.

Speaker 3 (01:43:06):
I'm not we told you why. I don't protend matter.

Speaker 6 (01:43:09):
I don't pretend to know. It's it's not something that
I can't play dumb.

Speaker 3 (01:43:13):
You know.

Speaker 6 (01:43:13):
I'm not saying dumb you are. I'm just saying that
to these people it matters.

Speaker 3 (01:43:20):
Yes, so it must matter because so.

Speaker 6 (01:43:22):
That's how I'm saying, like, so it matters, and like
it this whole thing about trying to nitpick five eighths
of an inch of three eights of an inch, I
don't care, but they do.

Speaker 3 (01:43:33):
Right, So we have to talk about at some point.

Speaker 5 (01:43:36):
I don't know about it at some point, So why
are you talking about you?

Speaker 6 (01:43:41):
But you don't know about it? So how do you
know what his heel of the hand is?

Speaker 3 (01:43:44):
Because I know how to watch football.

Speaker 6 (01:43:47):
So now you have to a watcher of football and
you're missing the point.

Speaker 5 (01:43:50):
You don't know where you're playable's.

Speaker 6 (01:43:52):
Arm link to the heel of the hand is either
I want to know and you don't know what the
threshold to the heel of the hand is. Well, so
it doesn't matter.

Speaker 3 (01:43:58):
That's fine. I think we need radically change how they're
judging the arm length of tackles trying to bring doesn't
matter how long to the tip of the finger, because
you don't use your fingers, use the heel of your hand.

Speaker 4 (01:44:11):
You're not tickling them right, You're not tickling them right.

Speaker 6 (01:44:15):
I would just I would just say, if Mike Rabel,
if Mike Rabel and Ryan Cowden believe that Will Campbell
can play left tackle, I say, taking.

Speaker 3 (01:44:24):
All right, what is you think the hand new measurement technique?

Speaker 5 (01:44:33):
I hear what you're saying that. I would just say
my official stance on this at this point is that
you either like the player or adults. And if you're
gonna get caught up in an eighth of an inch
or or a three ace of an inch or whatever
of arm length, then you probably just don't like the player,
which is your prerogative. Like it's fine, Like if you
don't like him. You don't like him. We all have

(01:44:55):
our guys and he's not your guy. That's fine, But
at this point there's varying degrees of measurements for everybody.
We don't have, you know, a consensus measurement. I'd probably
go by the combine because it's the safest one to
go by, but just in general, either like him or
you don't.

Speaker 6 (01:45:11):
If they think he can play, I say, take him.

Speaker 2 (01:45:14):
Yeah, you were very excited when the news came out.

Speaker 5 (01:45:16):
I was very excited.

Speaker 2 (01:45:18):
Told me that you had just won like the lottery
to go to the Masters.

Speaker 4 (01:45:22):
I would have believed you.

Speaker 3 (01:45:23):
Somebody said that when the news came out. Evan was
standing online at Starbucks and he dropped to his knees
and just sobbed.

Speaker 6 (01:45:31):
Downstairs lipstick camping.

Speaker 4 (01:45:36):
There was a mic to drop that was missing too,
because he got up with purpose and he's like, he
came stre guys.

Speaker 8 (01:45:42):
I have.

Speaker 2 (01:45:44):
Tell you, guys, the scene in the Work of Wall
Street where Leo tells his investment firm that he's not
effing leaving like, imagine that energy.

Speaker 6 (01:45:56):
I will not lay down my sword.

Speaker 3 (01:45:59):
The bottom line is Alex bar has uncovered the truth
that there's problems I think we need to put them
on the Karen Reid case.

Speaker 2 (01:46:08):
You took the words out of my mouth and I
was waiting for the right time.

Speaker 6 (01:46:11):
The truth that there's discrepancies in the measurements, yes, not
that there's His conclusion is there's problems with the combine.
I agree, and I don't think that that's.

Speaker 5 (01:46:19):
They're thirty three inches. The combine screwed it up.

Speaker 6 (01:46:23):
I have no idea. I just stand by if if
Rabel and Cowden want them, I'm in poor Elliott.

Speaker 5 (01:46:30):
I would just say that I said what I said.
The other thing is, is you hear a lot is
that it shows up on tape, and my just my
reaction to that would be tangibly, show me where. And
I'm not saying that I necessarily think it doesn't sometimes
show up on tape, but like it's so easy for
you to just say, oh, well, it shows up on tape,

(01:46:51):
Like tell me, like show me the evidence and you
know of where this shows up on tape and and
then maybe we can have a conversation about it. Totally,
it would be an outlier. And if you just want
to go by the numbers, his wingspan in his arm length,
he's a statistical outlier to play tackle in the NFL.
But if you watch the film at the SEC level
and a drop back NFL pro style offense, he plays

(01:47:13):
a darn good left tackle. And if that's that's what.

Speaker 6 (01:47:16):
You see, take that.

Speaker 4 (01:47:17):
That's what you see on film, Take a darn left
I'm gonna make the same point. I mean, we did
our we did a little mock draft video that we
shot a couple days ago. But the point I made
that nobody talks about was like, he's the they ranked,
you know, raw athletic score like Will Campbell's seventeenth going
back to the eighties of all offensive lineman, like fifteen
hundred offensive lineman. He's like, you know, athletic score, it
is what it is. But still we spend so much
time talking about his shortcomings. It's like, let's remember that

(01:47:40):
this guy is crazy athletic and he's got a good attitude.

Speaker 5 (01:47:43):
The crazy athletic, extremely balanced, really strong upper body, really
strong punch in his hands when he does get his
hands on people.

Speaker 3 (01:47:50):
Take them, yeah, I mean take them.

Speaker 5 (01:47:52):
He's a great He's the best offensive line draft. He
plays guard. He plays guard.

Speaker 3 (01:47:56):
Take you take him at four and then you have
fun with the rest of the draft.

Speaker 4 (01:48:00):
His attitude too. I saw an interview from his pro
day of him I feel like being like and I
don't care. He's just so sick of it. He's so
sick of it, you know, and I get it like.

Speaker 5 (01:48:08):
He's going to come in there with a chip on.

Speaker 4 (01:48:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:48:11):
I felt like, you what you're hoping for? For Diggs?
I was like, just lie to me, Just slide to
me and say, you know, like, you know, whoever takes me,
I'm going to be excited to put.

Speaker 4 (01:48:22):
Can't you just like at the first one.

Speaker 6 (01:48:27):
I'll be happy anywhere. Come on, he doesn't.

Speaker 5 (01:48:30):
I know he doesn't mean it, but just lie to crap,
like what you think. Because my arms are an eighth
of an inch shorter than somebody else's, I can't play
screw you.

Speaker 2 (01:48:40):
And when we draft him and it's awesome and I
don't cut that, cut that sound.

Speaker 6 (01:48:46):
Yeah you should get You should get up to somebody
and just give him a quick, quick punch. Is that
long enough?

Speaker 5 (01:48:53):
I do feel bad for him, though, because.

Speaker 6 (01:48:56):
We're gonna need some bill money for a first round pick,
a proven as, so this would be great when we
have him in here. Yeah, on the Friday don't ask him,
oh man, and we can we can just say like,
how do you so? How do you measure that?

Speaker 5 (01:49:10):
Don't ask that, Claire.

Speaker 6 (01:49:12):
They're not gonna be able to ask him questions about
his arm?

Speaker 4 (01:49:14):
What are doing? How happy you to be?

Speaker 3 (01:49:17):
Claire?

Speaker 9 (01:49:18):
Rights?

Speaker 4 (01:49:18):
And hello everyone?

Speaker 3 (01:49:19):
Hellover in just chiming in as long as they secure
something decent at left tackle, not elite, just a good
NFL guy. I'm with Fred ten wins season.

Speaker 6 (01:49:28):
Let's go there, we go, maybe twelve, let's go.

Speaker 4 (01:49:31):
It's too optimistically positive.

Speaker 3 (01:49:34):
All right, let's go to the hotline. Nelson's in LA.
What's up? Nelson? Don't swear?

Speaker 6 (01:49:40):
I don't think you called him up?

Speaker 3 (01:49:42):
Nelson? Nelson?

Speaker 6 (01:49:46):
Good Man?

Speaker 8 (01:49:49):
I got a question, Yeah, why you're not bringing back
Patrick back?

Speaker 3 (01:49:57):
What am I going to bring?

Speaker 8 (01:49:57):
Weg what patri.

Speaker 6 (01:50:02):
What's called the paper?

Speaker 8 (01:50:06):
Pay book? Play book? Pats playbook?

Speaker 3 (01:50:10):
Oh uh, we're not.

Speaker 8 (01:50:12):
Are you gonna do like that? Man?

Speaker 3 (01:50:14):
It's been discontinued.

Speaker 8 (01:50:16):
I know, but you're not gonna.

Speaker 3 (01:50:20):
You know, we have to make we have to make changes.
All right, Man is listening next to you and playbook
and you're gonna okay, Well, you know, things happen, you know,
life changes. You gotta adapt, you know, roll with the punches.

Speaker 2 (01:50:37):
Alright.

Speaker 8 (01:50:37):
I love your podcast. Okay, guys for day I like the.

Speaker 6 (01:50:43):
Pak Okay, thanks, thanks Nelson.

Speaker 3 (01:50:47):
Let's get to uh Sam in Connecticut. What's up Sam?

Speaker 12 (01:50:52):
Hey, guys, how's it going?

Speaker 3 (01:50:54):
Good?

Speaker 11 (01:50:55):
Questions?

Speaker 12 (01:50:55):
Uh, I know towards the end of the show, so
I'll keep it quick.

Speaker 8 (01:50:58):
Uh.

Speaker 12 (01:50:59):
My first question, and you know, there's been a lot
of talk about who we're going to take a number
four uh, you know with you guys and you know
most Patriots coverage. But I'm curious, who do you guys
like with our second pick. I'd love to hear, you know,
probably tackles and receivers, just because I think those are
our biggest holes. We obviously don't know who we're going

(01:51:19):
to take the first round. Uh, so I'd love to
hear your kind of names for that.

Speaker 8 (01:51:24):
Uh.

Speaker 12 (01:51:24):
In second Evan, I know earlier you mentioned we still
don't have like a guy who can get to the
third level. I believe that Lockett is still a free agent,
and I know back in Seattle he was able to,
you know, make some big plays.

Speaker 6 (01:51:39):
Uh.

Speaker 12 (01:51:39):
Do you have any thoughts on him if he's still available,
do you do you think he still kind of has
the ability to do that. I'll leave you guys answering, no.

Speaker 3 (01:51:48):
Thank you.

Speaker 5 (01:51:49):
Yeah, A Locket's always to me been like more like
a speed slot, like you guy that's played inside a
little bit more on on the outside. I love Tyler
Locke's he's in, but he's more pretty sim Ortstefon Diggs. Honestly,
he's a technician.

Speaker 6 (01:52:02):
I think they're interested in him. Yeah, just listening to
my shows, and Zoe in particular, who obviously knows something.

Speaker 5 (01:52:11):
So knows, I would be wondering how they would fit
those two guys together, you know. I think I think
there's a lot of positional overlap there. Not that I
would turn down the talent.

Speaker 6 (01:52:18):
And I do think that he has shown some signs
of being close to done too, But I am He's
always been a player that that's intrigued me because of
what evan. I love the way of the speed slot,
like that Christian Kirk, the Brandon Cooks. I love that
profile of the player. Lockett's been really good at that
role for a long time. I'd kick the tires he

(01:52:41):
might be being available at this time.

Speaker 4 (01:52:44):
And in response to his other question, I would say,
you know, I think Connory ursery of the tackles around
that area, and.

Speaker 3 (01:52:50):
Well, if Mason Graham slides, I take him in the
second round.

Speaker 5 (01:52:52):
Yeah, it's always tough. Like you know, they picked thirty eight,
tell me who goes one through thirty seven, and I
can tell you who they're taking at thirty eight.

Speaker 4 (01:52:58):
But there will be good defensive ends.

Speaker 5 (01:53:01):
Yeah, that's what I was gonna say, as well, you
know all those pass rushers that might slip through the
first round. The one guy that I'm really very interested
in whether or not he's on their board is Mike
Green from Marshall because he's a top ten to fifteen
ish talent in this class. There's some off field stuff
with him that needs to be vetted.

Speaker 4 (01:53:20):
I didn't know he was, well, he's at the combine.
It was the first time I combined and somebody being like,
I've never been charged with anything, like he went right out,
Like I heard him say.

Speaker 6 (01:53:27):
That, I was like convicted.

Speaker 5 (01:53:30):
So there's two different incidents, one one in high school
and then one early on at Virginia in college and
he actually got kicked out of the Virginia program and
transferred to Marshall as a result. So there's some off
field character concerns there, but he's a really really good player.

Speaker 4 (01:53:48):
Senior bowl jump out to you.

Speaker 3 (01:53:50):
Yeah, I mean I like the value there.

Speaker 5 (01:53:52):
You know, he has really good tap against Ohio State,
Like I know, he played at Marshall, so people are like, well,
what's the competition, But they played Ohio State got killed
as a team. He looked like he belonged on the
field against bb.

Speaker 3 (01:54:03):
In New Hampshire, writes in Love that Fred calls out
Mike for using I think and then proceeds to say,
I think to start in a row.

Speaker 4 (01:54:09):
We're working on it.

Speaker 3 (01:54:10):
Hey, did I miss something? Why do we hate saying
I think? I thought? Sorry that we liked and wanted
more critical thinking around here. No, it's just a matter
of being more definitive in having your statement have more weight. Yeah,
like off off topic question, Alex, how do we feel

(01:54:31):
about men advisors? I personally think their pointless, except that
it's an excuse for a dude to show off that
he's still has hair. Who cares you look like your
hat budget ran out once you got past the brim.
Wear a hat like a human.

Speaker 2 (01:54:42):
Yeah, I think we've dressed this on the show. But
I'm not ins no, weird tam line too.

Speaker 6 (01:54:50):
Why do you want that's Andy Hart special?

Speaker 4 (01:54:53):
I'd like to hear his impassionate defensive advisors. Why does
he loves because he can't get Yeah? Yeah, sorry.

Speaker 3 (01:55:01):
Carolyn Georgia might have the question of the week. First,
she says, I love the show. Then she says, second,
why do you guys never know the news from the
team and rely on reports from outside sources? This doesn't
make sense. You worked there. It's a good question. It's
a very good question.

Speaker 6 (01:55:16):
Now we.

Speaker 3 (01:55:19):
Yeah, I mean we we you know, we don't know
that much more than people on the outside.

Speaker 6 (01:55:24):
Unfortunately, same but separate.

Speaker 2 (01:55:27):
Yes, we can't say yeah, that's sometimes the case too.

Speaker 3 (01:55:33):
Chad says length does matter, think of boxing.

Speaker 5 (01:55:37):
I don't think anybody is saying length doesn't matter. No,
that's why we're having these conversations for the past three months.

Speaker 3 (01:55:44):
Yeah, let's see, Jeremiah says, with the additions at free
agency and excluding dred, what would you say this? We
talked about floors and winds. We already talked about that.

Speaker 6 (01:55:54):
We have Fred's get twelve winds.

Speaker 3 (01:55:57):
Would you guys get I never said that.

Speaker 4 (01:56:00):
A very important call at two o'clock.

Speaker 3 (01:56:01):
I never said that care all right, all right, we
have a lot of email. Why get one more call
and then we'll hang it up. Todd's in North Carolina.
What's up, Todd?

Speaker 17 (01:56:12):
Hey, guys, just in a kind of a strange show
talking about you know, firm and then swishy and all
sorts of stuff. And then previously, you know, other show
has been here and tapping the class.

Speaker 8 (01:56:20):
I don't know.

Speaker 17 (01:56:20):
I think you guys gone a little bit off the rails.

Speaker 3 (01:56:23):
It's the off season.

Speaker 2 (01:56:24):
But Todd as opposed to win.

Speaker 3 (01:56:26):
Have you never listened to.

Speaker 6 (01:56:27):
This show before we took the call before we end when.

Speaker 8 (01:56:29):
We got to see you for over ten years.

Speaker 17 (01:56:32):
Anyway, we'll get Chris Canty thinks that as a Giant,
the Giants are canning for Manning. He doesn't think that
they're going to He actually thought they might even trade
out of that pick if.

Speaker 12 (01:56:41):
They had the chance.

Speaker 17 (01:56:42):
So I think that kind of maybe changes what our
chances are of getting either of those guys. I think
we're looking at Campbell and that's where kind of where
I'm at. So I just get in the show with that.
We'll calculator.

Speaker 6 (01:56:54):
Yeah, thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:56:56):
What do you think about that canny for Manning, though,
I mean, you bring in Russell Wilson, you're gonna tell
him you can't win.

Speaker 6 (01:57:02):
I don't think they're doing that.

Speaker 5 (01:57:05):
Arch hasn't played enough. Like he hasn't. I haven't seen
enough of Arch Manning.

Speaker 3 (01:57:09):
To think, well you will after next season.

Speaker 5 (01:57:11):
Sure, but let me get it. I'll have a take
next season. Like you know, when you saw Trevor Lawrence
at Clemson or uh, you know Andrew Luck at Stanford,
they had undergraduate tape that we were you know, they had,
you know, true sophomore tape that everybody was saying, franchise
quarterback like Arch Manning is barely played at Texas.

Speaker 3 (01:57:28):
At this point. Yeah, you don't know fourth and short.

Speaker 5 (01:57:30):
So like, I just feel like it's weird that I'm
saying he's like this.

Speaker 6 (01:57:34):
I think it's weird to bring in a veteran quarterback
if your idea is to get the first pick the
following year. Like forget about what you know or don't
know about Arch Manning, which everything you said is accurately
played against like Texas San Antonio, have the.

Speaker 3 (01:57:45):
Field Cutlet guy play.

Speaker 6 (01:57:47):
If you want to lose and you want to get
in position to get manning. Tommy DeVito's your quarter, right well,
Jameis Winston, He'll make sure you get the first pick
in the draft.

Speaker 3 (01:57:54):
There you go. All right, that's gonna be it for
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Speaker 2 (01:58:08):
Maybe some secret video footage of Evan.

Speaker 3 (01:58:10):
Secret video footage of Evan.

Speaker 5 (01:58:13):
All right, can't wait for that.

Speaker 6 (01:58:14):
Okay, thanks, I have a bone to pick with you
about that.

Speaker 4 (01:58:17):
Fair.

Speaker 3 (01:58:18):
Oh it's a fair all right? You want to do
it on air?

Speaker 8 (01:58:22):
No?

Speaker 6 (01:58:22):
Okay, all right, Mike's gotta go.

Speaker 3 (01:58:24):
We will see you next Tuesday.

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