Patriots Unfiltered 3/4: Combine Recap, Draft Talk, Free Agent Preview

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Hilarious.

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Speaker 3 (00:32):
Well, he didn't say that. He said we're going to
have a problem.

Speaker 6 (00:35):
They were a Starbucks, so you can't actually have a
physical confrontation. They've got to go to dunks today.

Speaker 3 (00:39):
Right The most that can happen at Starbucks you might
get a croissant from you, But at duncan you throw down?
You throw down. I think that some teams that are
really needing a quarterback might make an offer that McVeigh
can't refuse, and they've got Garoppolo and the winds.

Speaker 6 (00:55):
The last part of that isn't meant to be serious,
is it?

Speaker 3 (00:58):
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But if he could start another tally, that would be great.
Do you go over the underwear or.

Speaker 6 (01:05):
Through the door.

Speaker 3 (01:06):
See if I'm wearing tidy whitey or when I used
to wear those, I would I would not go through
the door.

Speaker 6 (01:12):
He's one of your envelope guys, right, you should be happy.

Speaker 3 (01:14):
No, he doesn't qualify as a back good. These are
guys that you dig a little deeper, dig a little deeper,
you do some mining, and you find those jewels in
the mind. But I haven't got my books yet, so
I can't really start.

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the Patriots Unfiltered. It is Tuesday here at ji Lets Stadium.
Evan's back, Deuce is back. It smells like Indy here
in the studio. I don't know what that smells like
inie smell, I said, INDI not Indy's anyway. Yeah, So

(01:54):
it's Evan, it's Paul, it's me, it's Deuced, It's Matt
and the booth. And got a lot to talk about.
We've got Combine wrap up, We've got free agency, We've
got draft talk. There's so much going on. Where do
we start? I guess we start with the combine. Sure, Yeah,
you guys spent way too much time there. What what

(02:15):
are your takeaways? You know, what did you learn? What
should we know?

Speaker 6 (02:19):
God?

Speaker 3 (02:19):
Where do we start at?

Speaker 5 (02:20):
I don't. I don't even know where to where to
jump off. How about this, I'll just jump off by
saying right now, as we sit here, feels a little
like the Patriots are a no man's land unless they
could get Travis Hunter. It feels a little bit like
they're a no man's land. Not great testing from Mason Graham,
you know, not great measurements from Will Campbell. I think
a lot of people are stocked down a little bit
on those two guys who are very popular draft picks.

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And right now my mind is, what is the uh
like an overdraft that you can't miss on?

Speaker 6 (02:49):
You?

Speaker 5 (02:50):
You might have to overdraft?

Speaker 3 (02:51):
Who's worth over guy?

Speaker 5 (02:53):
Yeah, at least going you know, with the numbers going
into the raft, because we were talking yesterday with Paul
and the boys, and there's probably gonna be a player
five years from now that we look back that went
between five and twenty that you said that guy totally
would have been worth the fourth overall pick. As Paul
was the table who find that guy?

Speaker 3 (03:13):
That guy?

Speaker 6 (03:13):
Yeah, it's not easy. I'm not suggesting that these guys
should be fired if they don't come up with that guy.
It's not an easy test. This is not a great draft,
but there will be a handful of players that are
much better than the rest.

Speaker 5 (03:25):
Talk about one to talk about the what was it
the twenties something drafted?

Speaker 6 (03:29):
The twenty thirteen draft is a legendarily bad first round,
but Lane Johnson goes.

Speaker 5 (03:35):
Four overall as the third tackle.

Speaker 6 (03:37):
As the third tackle, it was Eric Fisher, Luke jogl
one to two and Lane Johnson four. You know, really
good player for a long time for the Eagles, and
DeAndre Hopkins went in the twenties. Obviously, anybody would consider
that a wild success. There's a whole lot of bad
to really bad in between. It's just a bad first round. Yeah,

(04:01):
you have to figure out twenty fifteen thirteen. Yeah, it
was on that. It's crazy. He was going, I don't know,
but yeah, I was rattling him off, and every one
of them, like some of them were like physically hurting it.

Speaker 3 (04:14):
He was like, So it was twenty twenty, twenty twelve
the year where a lot of guys you know, went
as underclassman and it kind of diluted the pool for
twenty thirteen.

Speaker 6 (04:24):
Or maybe they weren't a lot of underclassmen and that's
why it was a smaller class. I don't know, I
don't know. I don't know the answer, but it was
like a lot. First of all, anytime you get three
tackles in the first four picks, it's at the very
least it's an unsexy draft. Yeah, but you know, those
two guys that went one two were average to blow.

(04:45):
I mean think Luke Jogo was averaged like Taevon Austin
I think went number eight. E j Manuel was the
only quarterback in the first round. Obviously he didn't pan out.
Wow it was a bad draft.

Speaker 8 (04:57):
Yep, yeah, I guess I'll go. Duce said yesterday, I
think guys had to talk me off the ledge a
little bit because I'm a little bit worried.

Speaker 3 (05:05):
You're having trouble processing I have.

Speaker 5 (05:08):
I'm still having me came in on Will Campbell, Evan,
you got to take a shoelaces days tough.

Speaker 8 (05:14):
I mean, it's one of those drafts where we might
need to recalibrate in our heads what really is the
value of the fourth overall pick in this draft? Like
it's not last year. So you can't just sit here
and say, well, Will Campbell's not Joalt. No, there is
no jolt you know there is no uh, you know,

(05:34):
Marvin Harrison Junior and Molik neighbors in this draft. It's
a it's a down year. It's a down year at
the top of the draft, and that's a bummer to
be a team that's picking for overall in a year
like that. But the reality is is Abdul Carter and
Travis Hunter would be top prospects in any draft. But
there it. You know that that's it. So if you're
the Patriots, you got to hope that one of those

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teams falls in love with with the quarterbacks. It sounds
like cam Ward is already for you. I think that
he's going to go top three. I think that's pretty
much really consensus at this point that he might even
go number one overall.

Speaker 3 (06:08):
Now when did that change?

Speaker 8 (06:11):
I would say that that's always been trending in that direction.
And then you know, at the combine, most people have
learned that, you know, cam Ward is is going to
go high, probably maybe even number one.

Speaker 3 (06:23):
Was that a trickle down from Stafford signing with the
Rams or like, because I thought a lot of these teams,
you know, the speculation is a lot of these teams
might settle on the veteran.

Speaker 8 (06:34):
Yeah, I think that maybe that's a possibility. I mean,
he's really talented quarterback. I don't think that he would
be a top three quarterback last year, but again, last
year was a special year for quarterbacks. So it sounds
like pretty much all three of those teams would be
happy with cam Ward right now. But the question is
is obviously shador and and can does a team fall

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for him?

Speaker 3 (06:56):
So then it sounds like the Patriots will have their
choice of Will Campbell or Mason Graham.

Speaker 8 (07:01):
Yeah, yeah, I mean that's that's where we're at, and
I think that's what I'm trying to come to grips with.

Speaker 6 (07:08):
You need to take his shoe.

Speaker 9 (07:09):
Yeah, it's been a bad place because it just doesn't
feel like that player should be the fourth overall pick,
but in this year he's.

Speaker 3 (07:17):
But there's only two that should be so right, right,
So that's the reality.

Speaker 5 (07:21):
Yeah, it may be oversimplifying it. Of course, there's veteran
quarterback moves to happen. I know the Giants were supposedly
interested in Aaron Rodgers, but you know, what do the
Giants do at three? And you know, I know Brady
has a relationship with Shitter Sanders to the Raiders. Does
he love sugar that much?

Speaker 3 (07:37):
Should? Should? I know, I'm just trying to make.

Speaker 6 (07:44):
You mispronounce them. He pronounces them funny, there's different and.

Speaker 5 (07:47):
Then we get in like a thing where we lose
the plot of what it actually is.

Speaker 3 (07:51):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (07:52):
But does Brady love Sanders that much? To come up?
And I think we have a relationship already.

Speaker 6 (07:57):
You know, strictly from from a home horrific standpoint for
the Patriots. You keeping an eye on the veteran quarterback
market for those top three teams. Do any of those
three teams sign Sam Donald or Aaron Rodgers? You know,
one of those guys would be a killer, because if
you're hoping for someone to either take Sanders or trade

(08:20):
up to take Sanders, you need to have a reason
for it. And I think if if Donald were to
sign with somebody, which I think is a possibility, I
know Minnesota keeps saying how they're not going to franchise him,
but they want to resign them. I don't know how
you do that. I don't know how you give them
the money that he's gonna want and probably deserves based

(08:41):
on the.

Speaker 3 (08:41):
Year he Yeah, you got to convince him that we're
going to make you the best offer. You're not going
to do better than us.

Speaker 6 (08:47):
So if he you know, if Donald signs with the
Giants or Cleveland, you know why then like they want
to take Abdul Carter now or Travis Hunter. I don't
want to trade down. I have my quarterback that's a veteran.
I don't want to trade down. I want to take
the one or two sure things quote unquote that we

(09:08):
think are available. I think that lessens the trade market. Yeah, yeah,
you know, if you're the Raiders and you fall in
love with Shador Sanders, I don't see why you trade
just wait and pick them.

Speaker 8 (09:21):
That seems to be if you don't not a big
fan of Shador, that's six with the Raiders seems to
be like his ceiling, Like that would be the first
that he could come off the board.

Speaker 3 (09:32):
But at five, where are they the Patriots? No, the Raiders?

Speaker 6 (09:35):
Six?

Speaker 3 (09:36):
Six?

Speaker 8 (09:36):
Yes, six to the Raiders would be what a lot
of people that aren't big fans of Shador would say,
is his the highest he could possibly go in the
first round. And some people think that he's not even
a first round pick at all, you know, so it's
it's really going to be the quarterback tax, and is
it enticing enough for a team to take them that high.

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I know there's other reports out there that he rubs
some people the wrong way already in some of these interviews.
I think Tom McShay said that on his podcast, and
some of the teams that met with him at the
combine didn't feel like he was taking it seriously and
didn't didn't feel like he was he was really listening
in the room.

Speaker 3 (10:13):
So here, Travis Hunter said, if if the team that
picks me doesn't want to change their culture, culture, I'm
not interested. That's shador Yeah. So at first I said,
that's that's pretty you know, arrogant of him to say,
what if the team already has a good culture and
is a winning team and they just pick you. But
chances are the team that picks him is a loser

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and they don't have a good culture, And so I
get what he's saying, you know. So after I thought
about it a little bit, I was like, Okay, you know,
you're probably going to a team that desperately needs a quarterback,
and due to that you they don't have a good
record and they probably need a culture change.

Speaker 5 (10:52):
He doesn't lack confidence at all. That was I mean,
he just he's clearly got a lot of confidence in
what he's gonna be able to bring. I just don't
know if it matches up with the play, and that's
what teams are going to have to reconcile. How do
you feel about this guy? I mean, yeah, you want
someone who's going to come in confident and believe that
they can do it. I mean it's like he's got
all his dad's confidence, but I'm not sure he has
all his dad's talent. And that's where it's you get

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lost with.

Speaker 8 (11:14):
It's a good way to put it.

Speaker 6 (11:15):
Yeah, Yeah, And I wonder because I you know how
I always never really take anything at face value. I
just I wonder if it's intentional. Now. I do think
he's probably brash by nature. I mean, how can you
not be when you're d on sun, right, But I
wonder if it's intentional. And we've heard a lot, you.

Speaker 3 (11:34):
Know, in order to knock him with himself down.

Speaker 6 (11:37):
I don't want Yeah, I don't want to get taken
by Tennessee. I don't want to get taken by Cleveland
or whatever. I don't know which teams that he does
or doesn't want to be drafted by. But I wonder
if maybe he sort of intentionally shot a shot and
try to discourage some teams from taking them. I'm complete,
I don't have any inside knowledge of that, but.

Speaker 8 (11:56):
I looked at it as kind of the opposite, because
if you're going to take a guy like him, it's
about it's about the intangibles. Like he doesn't have the
talent on.

Speaker 6 (12:03):
Paper, that's what everyone says to be a top five pick.

Speaker 8 (12:06):
But he's got the bravado, he's got the he's got
the juice, and so I think that in order to
show that, I think he went into the combine and
then acted like his dad, you know, and showed that
he's got that Sanders aura about him. And I think
that's what you're hoping for.

Speaker 3 (12:22):
So we say that he doesn't really have the top
end talent as a quarterback, So why was he ever
mentioned as a top quarterback to begin with?

Speaker 6 (12:32):
Name?

Speaker 5 (12:33):
Just the name, like I mean, like light Year quarterbacks.
He's one that stands out at least with his personality,
so he draws a lot of attention. I mean, that's
I think that's that's a good fact.

Speaker 3 (12:43):
So there's no chance that I know we had Travis
Hunter on his team, but there's no chance that his
play elevated Colorado to be better than.

Speaker 8 (12:51):
Yeah, I don't want to undersell it too much, Like
I do think that there's some talent there. He doesn't
have high end arm talent, Like he's not one of
these guys that has you know, Drake may type of
arm that that can just flick it. But he's got
some intangible stuff. He's got some instincts for the position,
and he's mechanically sound, like you can tell that he
was he was well coached and that he is a

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coach's son, and he's played the position and he's worked
with Tom Brady and probably every other quarterback guru under
the sun since he was in the seventh grade. And
so he's got a good feel and good natural mechanics
to throw the football. And he was behind a horrible
offensive line at Colorado and made it work. You know,
he'd ran around a little bit, he bought time, you know,

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made some off platform throw.

Speaker 3 (13:34):
Say he's better or the same or not as good
as Baker Mayfield.

Speaker 8 (13:39):
Coming out, Yeah.

Speaker 6 (13:40):
He didn't have a good a college career as Baker Mayfield. Anything.

Speaker 3 (13:45):
You know in his conference that that's all he did
is score points. Baker Mayfield, Yeah.

Speaker 8 (13:50):
Yeah, I would say a little bit worse coming out,
Like I think that he talent wise, like he's in
probably a similar sphere as like Bo Nicks and you
know some of those quarterbacks that when you know in
the teens last year. You know, I if he was
in that JJ McCarthy, Michael Penix, bow Nick's tier of quarterbacks,
you know, I don't know if he where he would

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be exactly, but he's probably in that cluster somewhere.

Speaker 3 (14:13):
Okay, so he's.

Speaker 6 (14:14):
Not I don't know who's.

Speaker 7 (14:17):
No.

Speaker 6 (14:17):
I don't think he's terribly. I think he's good. I
just don't think he's great and.

Speaker 3 (14:21):
Could end up being a really good NFL quarter Yeah.

Speaker 6 (14:24):
I think Michael Penix has far more skills than should Sanders.

Speaker 8 (14:26):
He's got a better arm for him.

Speaker 6 (14:29):
I forget who said this. I heard someone over the
weekend just talking about Sanders and they said, like, he
doesn't you know, to go like like the scouting jargon,
he doesn't have a plus anything from a physical standpoint.
He's not fast, he's not overly quick, he holds the
ball too long, he doesn't have a great arm. But
what he makes up for is the stuff that Evan
was talking about when we first started this, about his intangibles,

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like his teammates love him. He's a good leader. You know,
He's got a really high level of competitiveness to him.
That's supposedly where he makes up for sort of an
average skill set. Now, he's not bad at those things.
I've watched him play many times.

Speaker 3 (15:09):
Yeah, he seems to have a pretty good highlight reel.

Speaker 6 (15:11):
He's not a stiff. Now they don't I mean the
whole win. They don't win. They didn't win very much
with him. They were sort of an average team the
two years that he was in Colorado, I mean one
of them they were. They were flat out bad team.
This year they were a little bit better. I'm intrigued
by him, but I just he's not overly big, he's

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not overly fast, like I just I wonder about him.
But I say a lot of the same things about
Baker Mayfield. When he was coming out. I didn't understand it.
I didn't understand the first because he just wasn't to me,
a plus athlete. He looks like he's coming into his
own He's a pretty good player, you know, so I
don't know, I think he could do worse than Baker Mayfield.

Speaker 5 (15:53):
Watch him at late I felt a little polarizing, Like
I can imagine people are like I don't like the
overcompence and just the cockiness that you know, he came
off with. But I think it might be enticing to
some of these teams who are so quarterback needy, and
can we afford to miss on this kid? Like clearly
he's got the pedigree and he believes in himself. I
just I could see some teams kind of getting talking.

Speaker 6 (16:16):
Irrational confidence helps him, Yeah, like it does. I think
it definitely does. With Mayfield is.

Speaker 3 (16:20):
The fact that his dad is Deon Sanders hurting him
at this point, like because you're taking.

Speaker 6 (16:26):
You guys hearing it.

Speaker 5 (16:29):
But I would just say, like, what's like I would
look at his his cockiness in a little different light
if he wasn't de On sanders son, you know, Like
it's almost you assume that he should be have this
overwhelming confidence because that's who his dad is, that's who
his coach has been.

Speaker 3 (16:42):
I'm just thinking in terms of we take this guy
and we got to deal with the tweets or we
got to deal with him talking about us.

Speaker 6 (16:50):
And I think that's I would wonder if if it's
not going well, like let's let's put the like the
Patriot situation last year with the lack of protection right right,
it dion in the middle of our toying, like what
are they doing? Right these guys even have any idea
what protection looks like?

Speaker 8 (17:05):
I mean, you know, to ask him like Colorado, Yeah,
that's part.

Speaker 6 (17:14):
That's part of the Sanders packages was they can't protect me?

Speaker 8 (17:18):
Yeah, I don't know. I didn't. I Actually the question
that I heard more of it at the combine was
to people upstairs push some of these front offices to
consider Shador because of the marketing and because of the
interest in the team that Hey is going to bring
Cowboys to the Giants to Vegas. You know, some of

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these teams that that could use a little bit. You know,
obviously Vegas is one of those teams that could desperately
use some eyeballs on that program for whatever reason.

Speaker 3 (17:51):
So we're talking about Sanders because we're hoping that some
team takes him in the top three. Obviously the Patriots aren't.
But at the combine, was there any it does sound
like it. But was there anyone that you saw that
you didn't you weren't considering, as you know, to pick
it for that Maybe now you're like, you know what,
if they picked this guy, it wouldn't be the worst

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thing in the world.

Speaker 5 (18:12):
Georgia, Georgia on my mind, I have.

Speaker 6 (18:15):
A guy that I okay, curious about them.

Speaker 5 (18:17):
But I think I mean, I don't want to speak form,
but I think we're both I both think we were
both very impressed with Jalen Walker just had a presence
at the podium that like, this guy's already an NFL player.
And the guy that I just continue to watch and
be intrigued by is Michel Williams from Georgia, who I
just think is has the potential to be a foundational
defensive front player, you know, along the lines of kind

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of William mcguinnis. You know, he's hurt last year, he's
still raw, he's still young. So it's definitely a projection.
But when I talked about are there gonna be guys
that go from five to twenty, and usually Williams is
about fifteen in that range, I could see him being
the kind of guy that blossoms into the player that shoot,
we should have taken him at four am. I'm intrigued

(18:59):
by him. I don't know if that's way too much
of a reach. Maybe that's insane, but that's my that's
my random take.

Speaker 8 (19:04):
I think you're just putting a lot. I don't think
it's a reach because in this draft, I think you
can talk yourself into a lot of different guys guys,
but you're putting a lot of faith in Terrell Williams
and Mike Rabel to take this ball of clay and
develop him. And I think you would have to keep
in mind it's probably not going to be his rookie
year right like, it's probably not going to click for
him right away and might be year two, three, four

(19:25):
down the line. Just the one guy other than those
two Georgia guys is Armand Membu from Missouri, who is
just absolutely destroyed the combine. I mean, it was unbelievable
what he did. But he's a right tackle, you know,
he's he played right tackle at missoo you need one
of those two. But he's extremely athletic. It pops off

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the film at you how explosive he is and how
much well he can move in space and you know,
pass protect on an island and all that kind of stuff.
So if you want to sign a left tackle and
free agency and then draft to right tackle and now
you feel like you've fixed your offensive line kind of
like what the Chargers did with joelt last year, you
can talk yourself into it. I wouldn't have considered him

(20:10):
at four until now because I think now he's going
to get a little bit more buzz, especially after Campbell's
arm length situation.

Speaker 3 (20:17):
Well it's not just his armlike with Campbell, it's coming
in at two nineties instead of three twenties.

Speaker 8 (20:22):
Right, I know, yeah, he.

Speaker 3 (20:26):
I'm sorry, I'm sorry that was.

Speaker 5 (20:28):
I mean, that's the same kind of thing. And I
mean I would just say, like, I still really like
Will Campbell, like and it's it's too bad with the
arm link thing because I think he's still kind of
a generational cross with that the athleticism. So I know
we had the list of you know, there's only six
guys that have arms, Well there are people that have
there are six that I know, it's not overwhelming, but
you know, there's still part of me that says, Will

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Campbell has the athleticism that you're looking for and He
also has that kind of swagger that I think mirrors
Rabel a little bit reminds me of Taylor Lawana a
little little bit, you know, has that cockiness, has that confidence.
I loved his answer at the combine when he said,
you know, I like scoring touchdowns. I don't care about
zone or gap schemes. I want to score touchdowns. I
like his attitude. I really like the kid. It's just

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a question of overdrafting the right position. And I think
if you overdraft Membo a little bit as a right tackle, okay,
Like if you know for sure he's a right tackle
and he's going to be there for ten years, great.
I have less confidence if he's going to end up
a left guard.

Speaker 3 (21:24):
I mean, I know we've heard that Dante Scarneki might
be doing something. He says no, but I would definitely
send him out maybe with you know, Morone, and do
a private workout with this guy, just to make sure
we're not missing something.

Speaker 8 (21:39):
With Will Campbell, yeah, I mean, look that I think
that people misconstrue the like the arm lane thing with
the talent, Like there's no question that he's talented. Like
he's going to be a heck of an offensive lineman,
whether it's inside or outside for a very long time
in the league. But it comes back to positional value
and are you going to take a guard at for

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overall and all that good stuff. I just I had
concerns a little bit about the arm length and how
it showed up on film, and then he came out
with not even just under threshold arms, but we're talking
about arms wingspan, like he's just not long enough to
play the position. So the list of six guys, yes,

(22:21):
there are six guys, but none of them are great.
Like there you know, Bernard Raymond with the Colts is
probably the best one out of the group, and he's
like a borderline pro bowler. Like if you're gonna take
a guy at four overall, then you want that guy
to be Lane Johnson, right, You don't want him to
be He's fine. So I think that's the problem that
I have with Will Campbell is if he plays tackle,

(22:43):
I think his ceiling is significantly lower.

Speaker 3 (22:46):
Let me ask you.

Speaker 5 (22:47):
Can I ask you a question though, because this is
like what I was thinking about, to any of those guys,
do you think have the level of athleticism that Will
Campbell has? Like Bernard Raymond I know he was rough
coming out from Germany and stuff. But you know, that's
the thing I find myself thinking, like, is he is
he more athletic than any of those six guys athletic
enough to overcome the lack of length. I just I
can't totally write him off.

Speaker 6 (23:06):
Just I just would be stunned if he ends up
being a tackle based on those numbers. I don't know,
Like I've said this a million times. I'm not Dante,
so I can't tell you exactly why those arm lengths
and wingspan don't allow you to play tackle, but the
numbers no.

Speaker 3 (23:24):
But I get I get the length. I get, you know,
being able to establish that first hit at a certain
distance so that you're not you know, getting off balance.
But we're talking about less than half an inch.

Speaker 6 (23:36):
That's a lot. And this is the conversation I had
about that's a big difference, like two tenths of a second.

Speaker 8 (23:44):
And we're also talking like thirty three is like the
new threshold. But it used to be thirty four. Oh really,
and then they moved and then Rashaan Slater reset it
to thirty three, and so now it's been reset to
thirty three. So now we're talking about like a real
bottom line, like it's got to be in the ballpark
at thirty three. I think with him, you know, with Campbell,

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he just he has to be aggressive in his past
sets because he doesn't have the length to sit back
and wait. So he goes out and he jumps out there,
and then guys will just go inside, so they'll spin
move or they'll counter inside, and he opens up that
inside to the quarterback a lot. And you see that
happen quite a bit for him. So if he sits
back now he's gonna get people are gonna get into

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his chest, and he's going to lose the leverage battles, right,
And so he's this powerful, great athlete that if he
played guard, he's probably an all pro guard. But again,
is that work the fourth overall pick? I don't think so.

Speaker 6 (24:40):
Maybe it might be, you know, you might be able
to talk yourself. Is membo now like the number one tackle?

Speaker 8 (24:47):
It's like the it's like the popular thing to say.

Speaker 6 (24:50):
Right now, you know, right because he had similar kind
of raw scords, right yeah, yeah, no, both under under five.

Speaker 8 (25:01):
He's extremely athletics.

Speaker 6 (25:02):
Not that necessarily, I.

Speaker 5 (25:05):
Just just the one feed of human strength life speed,
Like it's just impressive.

Speaker 8 (25:10):
Yeah, he's only six three six four, So like when
I watched his tape, like he's he pitter patters a
little bit, like he's got short strides and so like
I don't I don't love those types of guys typically
because it takes them five steps to get where it
takes other guys three. That's one thing that Campbell has
working for him is he's you know, six five sixty six,
so he does have that that stride length, but he's

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he's really athletic, he's really strong, and yeah, that that's
like becoming the new popular take, you know, the the
trendy take is that he's the best alignment in the draft.

Speaker 5 (25:43):
So you don't know about Josh, like what Josh Simmons
would have done if he could have tested him in
part of it, like might he be the one who
shot up the draft boards?

Speaker 8 (25:50):
Yeah, I think with Josh Simmons. Uh, I keep saying this,
but he didn't play anybody, and and so we're we're
really looking at five games at the beginning of Ohio
state schedule where he's dominant against not NFL caliber talent
mactim So like when he got to the College Football
Playoff and they were playing you know, all these teams

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in you know, Oregon and Texas and whatever, like, you know,
would he have been just as good or would the
warts have started to show up when he went up
against the NFL caliber talent Like, we'll never know. So
you're basically picking him in the first round based off
of five games against like Western Kentucky in Michigan State,
who was like the worst team did Yeah, so he

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and he measured with thirty three and charms on the notes.

Speaker 5 (26:36):
So he's got all the measurables.

Speaker 8 (26:39):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, he does.

Speaker 3 (26:41):
All right. Like I said, I, I would want to
get Dante's input on this thing, you know, and if
he comes back and says, you know what, he can
play tackle.

Speaker 6 (26:49):
I would only want that if Dante's coaching him. Yeah. Well,
I don't want someone that doesn't fit the prototype of
unless Dante's actually coaching him. I think he could figure
give it out. Yeah, fair enough, Okay, all right.

Speaker 5 (27:03):
Which I think feeds into we Dante had a quote
like last month he wouldn't draft an offensive lineman that high,
and I was like, yeah, because you're coaching him, you're going
to be able to develop guys like some of us.
We just need to get talent that can't you know,
has some degree of safety to it.

Speaker 3 (27:15):
Who was the Mike Mamula of this combine? Oh geez,
you don't know who. Mike guy.

Speaker 5 (27:23):
Average guy who blew up the combine with their testing.

Speaker 8 (27:26):
Average guy that blew up the combine.

Speaker 5 (27:29):
I know the opposite of Mike Mamula was the tes
Tes tes walker. John guy from from Oregon, was going
to run fast five and fifty but it weighs.

Speaker 6 (27:42):
About one hundred and twenty pounds and.

Speaker 8 (27:43):
He ran four or five one. He redeemed himself. Yeah, yeah,
he ran a fantastic agilities three cone short shuttle. So
he's got he's quick, he's not fast, and he he tested,
you know, just to defend my guy a little bit,
he tested exactly like Tank Dell did, coming out like same,

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almost exactly same forty. Tank Dell didn't do agilities at
the combine. But you think you can tell that that
guy's quick. So they're basically the same, the same athlete,
same size, same forty everything. So uh, that's test Johnson.
That's one and fifty's he has about ten pounds on him.
But I think you know, some of that's NFL strength

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and conditioning all that good stuff. But yeah, I I
don't know your question.

Speaker 5 (28:32):
I mean it might be Membo.

Speaker 8 (28:34):
Yeah, I mean it might be the guy from Bembo
was already like a top ten, top fifteen guy, though.
I think it just just helped him get into this
conversation of possibly being, uh, the fourth overall pick. I
would just say, like every single running back, like the
running back forty was like, I mean, you were, it
was incredible. They did run good for four four four
four four four four, Like everyone was a.

Speaker 6 (28:56):
Big guy that ran down. So what I forget his name.
Now they're all blending in who's the guy that the bigger,
like two hundred and twenty five pound guy that.

Speaker 8 (29:06):
I don't know. There were so many of them it'll
come to me. Yeah, I mean all those guys were
were impressive. I mean every like, take your pick at
running back, like you could probably get starting caliber running
backsit until the fifth round in this draft.

Speaker 5 (29:20):
That was a big point. Evan and I talked yesterday.
The tight end group, the running back group. It's I
don't think that they're gonna I mean, we can't talk
about Tyler Warren is maybe an option to be like,
we got nobody else, let's pick him up top. But
I think both those positions, it's really that second third
round pick, you know, early day three, like in there
this quality running back, quality titles.

Speaker 8 (29:40):
The guy was thinking this is like this is like
do saning Malik Nabbers.

Speaker 9 (29:44):
He's he's a guy I couldn't remember.

Speaker 6 (29:48):
Yeah, but like twenty one and he ran like a
four or five.

Speaker 5 (29:53):
Yeah, him and the guy to run like him, and
the Ohio State guy is probably out of it for
the Patriots, I would guess. But I just what I
said to Evan yesterday, like I'm really trying to look
at those mid round running backs because I mean even
Daniel Jeremiah said it on the broadcast, like their starters
to be had into early day three at the running
back position. So I think it's a spot they got
to take a take a chance on.

Speaker 6 (30:12):
See.

Speaker 5 (30:13):
I just I don't know how Stevenson and Antonio Gibson
fit what Rabel wants to do. We don't know what
Rabel and Josh want to do. So I just think
that's a really appealing position. Grab one of those, you know,
running backs later and maybe prospering.

Speaker 3 (30:28):
No, it's just like there's so many other things that
I think are.

Speaker 5 (30:32):
Legit, like what is you know, good like? And that's why.

Speaker 8 (30:35):
That's my take on the whole thing is like this
is a defensive line in running backs class, and so
what with free agency? Set yourself up to hit those
positions in the draft, like whatever if you have to
sign Cam Robinson or trade for a receiver, whatever the
case may be, Like, don't go into the draft with
with needing positions that the draft is.

Speaker 6 (30:55):
They have burial holes in free agency that they can't
fill in the draft, like those two spots wide receiver
and so.

Speaker 3 (31:03):
So, so let's talk about free agency. What's what's the
current status? The Bengals announced that they are going to
franchise T Higgins, So I guess that puts him out
of play for the Patriots. What are we thinking?

Speaker 5 (31:20):
Yeah, we just we shot a free agency preview that
will air tomorrow talking dive into a lot of this stuff.
I think it's it's tough. I mean we also talked
about Ronnie Stanley, who you know, there's some clear bells
of the ball in free agency, but you're kind of
holding your breath this week that those guys like Higgins
probably going back to the Bengals. I think we all
assume Stanley's gonna go back. It's there's just not a

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lot of easy answers at some of the biggest positions
in need. So I agree with what Evan said, plug
those holes now, but I think they're going to have
to be creative and they're gonna have to hit on
some guys that maybe when they sign him initially, you're
not like, all right, Ronnie Stanley, it's gonna be kind
of a B level guy maybe, you know.

Speaker 3 (31:57):
Unfortunately, the Eagles released Darius yesterday. Do you think other
guys might come free like that?

Speaker 5 (32:04):
You know, I think so, I mean specifically that, yeah,
but I think specific to the cornerback position has one
area that that is strong, you know, I would say
in free agency, and I think they're in position to
maybe change that position, group up a little bit, make
some additions. And I think the scuttle butt out of
Indy was there maybe trying to work something out with
Jonathan Jones, which I'd be fine with. Maybe is a
safety now though, I just I don't know if he

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I think he's been miscast as an outside corner these
last few years.

Speaker 6 (32:30):
I kind of agree with him, you.

Speaker 3 (32:31):
Know, I mean, Jonathan Jones could be that free safety
that we're looking for, you know, yeah.

Speaker 8 (32:36):
I mean it's becoming a lot more popular to play
like a nickel safety, where like he kind of blends
the positions between free safety and slot corner. And I
think that maybe that's a way that you could go
with Jonathan Jones. I do like Travarious Ward in free agency,
and I think, you know, all the reports coming out
of the Combiner that Milton Williams is like they're number

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one target. I mean, everybody's saying that other than if
they can land a big fish at wide receiver, that
Milton Williams is their guy.

Speaker 5 (33:05):
But I thought not to give anything around our free agency,
but I thought you had a really good take on him,
and it was, you know, Milton Williams was kind of
a I mean, he's forty eight percent snap guy. I mean, yes,
he's young, but with more of a rotational player. I mean,
he's a rotational player behind arguably two of the best
you know, defensive front guys in the in the league,
you know, in Jalen Carter. I don't know. I mean,
i I'm all for signing that position. I think they

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need to remake that position. But I also think that
there's a little bit of buyer beware with Milt Williams
and is he going to be an every down player
for you? What are you going to pay him?

Speaker 7 (33:33):
Like?

Speaker 5 (33:33):
Is he gonna be able to deliver on that contract
or is he going to be somewhat redundant to what
Barmore was before Barmore really emerged two years ago as
an every down player.

Speaker 8 (33:43):
Yeah, I'm always wary of the guys that were like
the guy getting all the single blocks because Jalen Carter's
got three guys on him and Milton Williams is just
one on one. It's like, yeah, that always wearies me
a little bit. And you come off the Super Bowl
like how motive? You just won a super Bowl? So like,
you just got won a super Bowl, it's gonna get paid,
just got paid. And now you're seeing double teams every

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week because Jalen Carter is.

Speaker 5 (34:06):
Not next to you.

Speaker 8 (34:08):
You know, if barbar is next to you, then that's
a different story.

Speaker 6 (34:10):
But we just also look at what Philadelphia does, you know,
who do they retain, who do they allow to go?
And then I would say what you guys are talking
about if they're just willing to let all the you know,
so it looks like they're letting the corners go. So
they drafted a terrific young one and Mitchell right. So
I think Bradbury was hurt last year. Slay obviously played

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they already they released him once already last year and
they ended up bringing him back. If they just allow
Milton Williams to go and they don't really make a
big effort to resign them. Same with Bond. They're telling
you what they think. Shift they're part you know, they're
parts of the machine, but they're not the machine. We're
going to make sure that we hold on to Davis

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and and uh, you know Cotter in the middle, and
we're gonna we're gonna go from there. So when we
did our free agent thing, I compared it to the
old Ravens kind of mentality that yeah, they made sure
that ray you know that ray Lewis State and you.

Speaker 5 (35:11):
Know Sugs Nada and ray Lewis Suggs State.

Speaker 6 (35:14):
And Plodi Nada State. But you know, if Daleis Thomas
wanted to go or you know Ladarius Web I think
is that the old corner that I'm thinking of. So, Ladarius,
I don't know why that's what. Yeah, it's it's just
sticking in my head. Those guys came and went, but
the cock, the key cogs stayed in place. So I

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think you'll learn a lot because Philadelphia knows what they're
doing from a personnel standpoint.

Speaker 5 (35:39):
Yeah. I think it's a great way to put it, too,
because really it just reduces the question to what key
cogs can the Patriots get in free agency, and not
just the need they need some not just guys who
profited off of team success, but guys who really were
making you know, the straws during the drink.

Speaker 6 (35:54):
Like you can put you can cast a wide net
with you know, five six guys modest short term, you know,
modest contien right, But if you're gonna the big fish
is that you try to land, you have to make
sure that big fish is worthy of being that you
can't miss on Milton Williams or on Zurich. You know,

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you have to make sure that if you're going to
invest in a guy that you hit it's just as
important last year they didn't.

Speaker 5 (36:24):
Yeah, that's why dre Green laws appealing to me. I
just I feel like he's a guy reduced value a
little bit. And I mean, I know there's some speculation
maybe he would do a one year kind of prove
it deal, but why wait, you know, just sign that
guy up, pay him. I think I don't think you
would regret it with that kind of player.

Speaker 8 (36:42):
I'm in this in that boat with Javon Holland. Like,
I just think Javon Holland makes a lot of sense,
Like he's probably going to be, if not the best
overall player in free agency, you know, in the top
two or three. And I just I still come back
to I just don't I never really loved Kyle Duggar
and Jabriel Peppers together. Like I thought that those were
two guys kind of both played the same position and

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they were trying to make it work with them being
back there together. And if you get a guy like
Javon Holland, now you have that true free safety that
can play over the top.

Speaker 6 (37:12):
And you were talking about Jonathan Jones and Scuttle But
one of the other things that I saw, everybody that
said that they want to bring him back also said
he knows he'd have to He's going to have to
take less. So That sort of tells me that if
they are interested, they've been talking to him already about safety,
because safeties don't make as much as corner. Yeah, so
if he's ready to make a transition, that would to

(37:35):
me make sense based on the reporting that came out
of a combine. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (37:39):
One other thing Evan and I talked about at the combine,
just random off the cuffs, was just Isaiah Bolden. We
talked about trying to get bigger in the slot. Isaiah
Bolden was in the slot a lot, say, hard to
project him into a sizeable role, But if they did
want to move to a guy with size and speed
and a little bit different flair than playing Marcus Jones
or Jonathan Own in the slot, you know, maybe he's

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an in house option to consider with competition.

Speaker 6 (38:03):
He's a guy I want to watch a lot in
the spring to see if he can do that. Yeah,
because I mean that he definitely can run. I mean
he's got speeds unknown quantity. I don't know if he's
quick enough to play inside. We'll see. I haven't seen
enough of him.

Speaker 2 (38:18):
Nope.

Speaker 3 (38:19):
All right, let's get to some emails and calls podcasts
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After March first, Andrew is in Middleton, New Jersey, and
he quotes a Mike Giardi tweet says, over the last decade,
one hundred and eighteen offensive linemen were drafted in rounds

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one and two. Twenty one of those one hundred and
eighteen had an arm length of thirty three inches or
shorter and a sub eighty inch wing span. Ten became guards,
ten centers one and only one is a tackle, Luke Goodeki.

Speaker 8 (38:55):
So yeah, I was like what I was saying before.
He's on that list of six guys that I tweeted out,
and he's a fine players. He's not the fourth overall
pick in a draft, you know, like he's a NFL starter,
But it ends there. And that's not to pick on
good Decky. It's just if that's what you get out
of the fourth overall pick, we're all going to be disappointed.

Speaker 3 (39:16):
Floyd and Redford, Michigan, He says, mister Floyd, please someone
defend Mason Graham. There was a Mason Graham tweet that
indicated he played at three hundred and fifteen pounds but
he trimmed down to test at the Combine. He apparently
bruised his heel, which is why he didn't work out.

Speaker 8 (39:33):
Okay, so he lost twenty pounds since the season. Yeah,
I mean it's possible. I guess it.

Speaker 6 (39:39):
Does they do?

Speaker 10 (39:40):
You know that?

Speaker 6 (39:41):
But who happens that time?

Speaker 3 (39:42):
If someone told him to do that, that's bad because
you want to see him work out at his playing weight.

Speaker 6 (39:48):
So I don't know. You guys can fill me in
because they're playing like Milton Williams. Let's get back to
Milton Williams. What do you think he weighs eight? He's
a smaller penetrating interior defensive lineman. So I'm not out
on Mason Graham because he weighed two ninety six or
whatever he did at the Combine, But is he that

(40:09):
kind of a player?

Speaker 3 (40:11):
Right?

Speaker 8 (40:11):
You know?

Speaker 6 (40:12):
And I'm not saying Aaron Donald, but everybody understands what
we're talking about when you use the word Aaron and Donald.
He's an undersized freak of an athlete who plays on
the inside and dominates. Not suggesting that someone coming out
of the draft is going to do that. Special player,
But you don't have to be three twenty to play
defensive line in the NFL. There are a lot of examples,

(40:34):
but you need to be that kind of an athlete.
Is Mason Grant that kind But.

Speaker 3 (40:38):
They were saying that's what made him special to me
is that he showed that kind of athleticism at three
hundred and twenty pounds, Mason Grant.

Speaker 6 (40:47):
I don't see him being that big.

Speaker 3 (40:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (40:49):
I mean maybe I'm just sort of catching up and
you guys have been on this, you know, because you
guys do a lot more research on it than I do.
He doesn't. But he doesn't look that big. He didn't
look that big on tape. When I watch, he's one
of the guys that have already watched a little bit.
He's got to, you know, all the cliches. He's kind
of really high motor. He's very disruptive. He pushes the pocket.

(41:10):
But I don't see like this elite athleticism. Is that
what he is.

Speaker 8 (41:14):
No, I think he's an elite technician. I think he
plays with great leverage, great hand technique. You know, I
think Dame Bruger called him a leverage king, Like he's
just he gets underneath you. He uses his low center
of gravity. He's really strong in his lower body, and
so you can just kind of get underneath guys and
just hold you know, win the pad level. You know,

(41:35):
just win be the lower man all the time. But
I don't see him as a stellar athlete, and like
maybe he did have an injury. If I was advising
Mason Graham, I would have told him to sit out
the combine because I don't think the combine is for
Mason Graham, Like don't. I don't think he was going
to put on a show at the combine, and I
think that only could have hurt his stock because he's

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already tosting.

Speaker 6 (41:57):
If Floyd, you know, Floyd has some inside knowledge there
being from Michigan, you know, if that's what his plan was,
was to go and really test well with the combine
and then he ultimately couldn't do it. And maybe he
is more of a three twenty kind of guy, but
I would wonder can he play every down at the size.

Speaker 5 (42:15):
And that's I mean, at least with Milton Williams, you've
got tape on him, and you said the NFL two guys,
he's not an Everlay.

Speaker 8 (42:23):
Had eight guys that they could rotate.

Speaker 5 (42:26):
But I mean, I think with both. You're talking about
a little bit of a projection either way, you know.

Speaker 3 (42:31):
Patrick and Otawa says, the way you're talking, you make
Schaudors Sanders sound like Tim Tebow.

Speaker 6 (42:36):
No no, no, no, no, no. He's a good but Shedea,
Sanders is a good player. I'm just not sure he's
a great player. I'm not sure he has the chance
to be great. Yeah, but he's a good player. He
had success at Colorado. I don't he's a good player.

Speaker 5 (42:50):
I just I draw a little bit of contrast to
I was impressed by Travis Hunter. I thought he handled
all of that pretty well in terms of the circus
around him of what position do you want to play?
You know, I just liked his attitude going into that
was what does the team want? And he seemed open
to that. I think a more sugar type approach would

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have been, I'm playing both ways, don't drappy if you
don't want me to play both ways. But I think
he was open and no reserve quiet. He's another guy
at the combine, like the all podium team. I think
where I mean for good reason. I mean, obviously the
guy is insanely talented, but just had that confidence and
I think anytime a player wears like big glasses, you
know they're that They're like, all right, this guy he

(43:30):
knows he can play. He didn't even care. He's going
up there in coke Pola glasses like he gets fixated. No,
what's blanket on the Georgiica. From that went to Philly,
the Edge guy undersized Edge Smith, Nolan Smith, same thing,
like walks up there with these big glasses on and like,
oh dude, this guy knows, he complained.

Speaker 8 (43:46):
Yeah, I was shocked by how many people have Travis
Hunter as a wide receiver. Like I thought I was
kind of on an island.

Speaker 6 (43:53):
With that, but I seems to think.

Speaker 8 (43:55):
I would say it's like at worse fifty to fifty
and might even be more tilting towards wide receiver. I
just think that it's just a more valuable position to teams,
and if he can be a number one wide receiver,
it's more valuable to us in him being a number
one corner.

Speaker 3 (44:08):
Yeah, Bill and Vista, California. Any thoughts on the reported
rumors about the Patriots possibly training for Ayuk. There were
a fan X report in addition to Jordan Schultz saying
the Patriots were planning on being aggressive at attaining a
wide receiver. That and the forty nine ers are open
to training him where they're Where there is smoke, there

(44:30):
is usually fire. What would you say most would Yeah,
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (44:34):
I just see someone who explain to me why, Like,
I mean, they just resigned Bran. I don't realize willing
to get rid of it.

Speaker 6 (44:39):
I don't really understand the whole premise. But I have
seen the report that San Francisco is interested in trading,
are you? I have seen?

Speaker 5 (44:47):
I mean that's what I mean, Like.

Speaker 6 (44:48):
Like Deebo became a pain for them, Like I don't
think I maybe they they view Ayuk the same way.
But the other guy who sort of filled in early
in the year is a Jennings.

Speaker 8 (44:59):
Yep, he's really good.

Speaker 6 (45:00):
He's a free agent, right.

Speaker 8 (45:02):
No, they signed him to a contract.

Speaker 6 (45:03):
They did sign him, Okay, Otherwise.

Speaker 8 (45:05):
If he was a free agent, I'd be like, I'm.

Speaker 6 (45:07):
Wondering, like, who's going to be there receiving and it's
just it's it's just the one guy. Now, Yeah, I
would be surprised unless someone really knocks them over.

Speaker 5 (45:17):
Like what went wrong though I haven't just haven't seen
it get hurt. And experience, but like, yeah, yeah, but
just signed steel right.

Speaker 8 (45:25):
Like, yeah, he tours ACL in October. You know, Kendrick Bourne,
that's it.

Speaker 3 (45:29):
We're out for it.

Speaker 8 (45:29):
It's obviously different people healed differently, But Kendrick Bourne tours
ACL in October two years ago and missed a lot
of the season last year. Yeah, it really wasn't the
same guy for all of last year. So you're really
if you're trading for AUK, you're trading for twenty twenty six.
I would think, like thinking that he's going to get
it all the way back the year removed from the

(45:50):
A C L at most, like you're giving him one
of your third round picks, if you know, Like, why
would you do any more than that?

Speaker 6 (45:58):
I don't be interested. I'd be interested in the move.
I'm not sure I understand why San Francisco wants to
trade them.

Speaker 3 (46:04):
That's my question, that's all.

Speaker 6 (46:05):
But I would be interested in trading.

Speaker 10 (46:07):
For you, just like I was.

Speaker 3 (46:08):
Oh yeah, I would.

Speaker 5 (46:09):
I mean, they have to find something creative. I mean,
I'd love to see something like this, a move out
of nowhere that you aren't expecting. Because we've talked about
the wide receiver class. It was so much focus on
T Higgins and I think we can all talk ourselves
into Godwin. But that's a little bit of a risk too.

Speaker 10 (46:25):
You know.

Speaker 5 (46:25):
It's just there's no easy answer at wide receiver and
just oh, we can remake the position and sign this
guy and it's going to change everything.

Speaker 6 (46:30):
Is the reason those guys, you know, if they ultimately
are available, that's why.

Speaker 5 (46:34):
Yeah, and I would say it one more than two
on the draft. Like as bad as the wide receiver classes,
I'm intrigued by a lot of the mid round wide receivers.
I think that there's some traits, some fun stuff to
play with, you know, when we get into the second
and third rounds, I don't know if it'll make sense
for the Patriots. But as much as we talk about
Tech McMillan and you know, this class in general not
being outstanding what it's been in years past, I think

(46:55):
that there are some guys out there that that intrigue me.
And I'm saying it all off season and into now
is speed. You know, I want speed. Get some young
guys with some speed, have some questions.

Speaker 6 (47:05):
That's what I wanted to do.

Speaker 8 (47:06):
I think that some of those Day two wide receivers
tested too well, which I was kind of a bummer
for me. Especially the Iowa State guys like Higgins and
Noel can both play football.

Speaker 6 (47:17):
Which one's mine?

Speaker 5 (47:18):
Uh?

Speaker 8 (47:19):
Higgins Higgins Higgins Higgins is you could use T Higgins
as a confer Jaden Higgins from Iowa State.

Speaker 11 (47:26):
Uh.

Speaker 8 (47:26):
And he he had a great day at the combine,
like tested way better than I expected, ran in the
four fours at like six pounds, like he did really well.
And now you're him and Jalen Nowell, who's the guy
I like?

Speaker 12 (47:39):
Is?

Speaker 8 (47:39):
Now both those guys are going to be like top
fifty picks. So it's like, if you don't take one
of those guys at thirty eight, you're probably not getting
that guy.

Speaker 5 (47:47):
Isaiah another one we both like and has some crazy speed.
I mean he said he might break the record and
he ran like a four to four, which is great,
but still.

Speaker 6 (47:54):
It's now my other guy Golden he first round.

Speaker 8 (47:58):
Yeah yeah, so he ran a four two nine, so
he he uh yeah, he can move. I don't know
if he plays to four to nine like that might
be some tracks.

Speaker 6 (48:07):
He's a good he's a good player though, very I
like him.

Speaker 8 (48:09):
Very good route runner, very good hands. He's a great player.
He'll he'll be a top twenty five pick.

Speaker 5 (48:15):
My thing with him and I said, it's having at
the combine is like I don't know how sharp he is.
I question how sharp he is seems a little bit.

Speaker 6 (48:23):
The Texas offense with and without him was night and day.
Like there was I want to say, the Stataboo game
he left the game the Arizona State one. Yeah, he
got and that's when Texas. Texas was doing whatever it
wanted for most of that game and he got hurt
and they couldn't move. Now, sometimes that happens when when
you're not when you're not planning on being without a guy,

(48:43):
it has a bigger impact on a on an offensive coordinator.

Speaker 3 (48:47):
Yep, you know.

Speaker 6 (48:48):
So sometimes that's but he's he's an impact player.

Speaker 5 (48:51):
We had actually cooked real quick. We had a funny
Skataboo moment. We were sitting in one of the tables.
I think it was the last day we were both
writing and uh, and there's like a curtain right here,
you know, it separates the two sides, and it was
just all of a sudden, like the curtain parted and
Scataboo just like walks in and like looks right out here.

Speaker 6 (49:06):
Thriller was here.

Speaker 3 (49:07):
He likes he tests.

Speaker 8 (49:10):
He only jumped and jumped well though.

Speaker 6 (49:12):
He had a jump that made the rounds jump forty
two or I think.

Speaker 8 (49:17):
It was in the high thirties, which is really good
for running back. And he, uh, you can see it.
I mean he walked by us and his thighs are
you know running back thighs. You know those are those
are what you're looking for.

Speaker 5 (49:28):
It wasn't even me, because I definitely gave him like,
let's see what his lower half looks like.

Speaker 3 (49:34):
I like him.

Speaker 8 (49:35):
Fifth round, yeah, fourth, fifth round, Yeah, sounds about right.

Speaker 6 (49:38):
Day three guy football really all right, good football play.

Speaker 3 (49:41):
Love to have him on it.

Speaker 6 (49:42):
He's a good football.

Speaker 3 (49:43):
He'd be welcome on my team.

Speaker 8 (49:44):
But sure enough, you.

Speaker 6 (49:45):
Rolled your eyes at the thought of taking a Day
three running back when Mike brought it up earlier.

Speaker 3 (49:50):
Day three, No, I guess that's what Mike.

Speaker 6 (49:52):
Was saying, like, not not investing a second round pick.
You're talking about later.

Speaker 3 (49:57):
Yeah, late, it's fine.

Speaker 8 (49:58):
Day three started at their fourth round pick. Is when
you start talking about running backs.

Speaker 3 (50:03):
All right, I'm going to start eating my food when
we come back. We'll open up the faue lines. See
what you have to say.

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Speaker 14 (51:13):
Time now for another episode of Pats from the Past podcast.
Matt Smith alongside with Paul Parrillo, and we were pleased
to be joined by number ninety three on your scoreboard,
but number one in our hearts the great Patriot and
Pro Football Hall of Famer Richard Seymour.

Speaker 6 (51:28):
Richard, good to see you kid.

Speaker 2 (51:29):
Good to be seeing, Good to be seeing. Last time
I was here, I got a red jacket, and now
come from Canton and I got the gold jacket on.

Speaker 6 (51:38):
Now, no disrespect.

Speaker 3 (51:39):
You look good at red.

Speaker 6 (51:42):
That looks really really cool, Richard.

Speaker 14 (51:45):
I wonder how many people said this, because this is
what I what.

Speaker 6 (51:47):
Really struck me. Your speech was terrific.

Speaker 14 (51:53):
You could tell you spent some time writing it, rehearsing it,
and it came from the heart, like a lot of
people like is vermeials going, And I don't mean no
disrespect because he's a very passionate guy and you sort
of expect that out of him, you know. But I

(52:15):
was just I was really struck in the moment that day.
It was hot as blazers and everything like that, and
I'm going, Wow, I didn't like, didn't she hit it
out of the park?

Speaker 2 (52:24):
No, thank you so much. I got a lot of
reserved Yeah, no, thank you so much. It meant a lot.

Speaker 3 (52:29):
You know.

Speaker 2 (52:30):
I think I was there because I wanted to deliver
because it's such a huge moment and you want to
thank so many and you got six minutes to deliver
you know, a lifetime of journeys and people that meant
so much to you. So but then also you want
to do it in a way where it's not dry
and boring. So I had to It took some time

(52:53):
to really pull it, pull it all together in terms
of how I wanted to get it done. But you know,
my wife and is listened to me enough and I
gotta know, no, that's not it until I, you know,
finally got it together and I knew I was heading
down the right path. And you know, I'm just glad
that you know, it came across the right way on

(53:13):
that Saturday and can.

Speaker 6 (53:15):
So what's different for you now, like you know after
being in because there was a couple of years you
were right on the edge and then you know, you
get you go through the door. Is life to any different?

Speaker 2 (53:26):
Well, I just think now for me, you know, it's
an honor where like when they say football heaven, like
it's a it's a place where you my grandkids can
always go and look at what I've done in the
National Football League, and you know, it's just a place

(53:47):
of so much history and respect. And that's I think
for me, that's what I respect the most. It's a
it's a it's what's the right word, Like it's you know,
the prestigious historic, you know, And I'm always I always
like to pay respect to the people that came before me.
So now you know, to stand alongside a lot of

(54:08):
the greats, like, it's just a tremendous honor.

Speaker 14 (54:11):
You know, they in my opinion, my words, not yours,
they do run your ragged that induction weekend. They run
you ragged. But do you think without having the pressure
on you, because I do think there's a lot of
pressure on it.

Speaker 3 (54:24):
You talked about it. You wanted to do a nice job.
You know that meant something.

Speaker 14 (54:26):
That's your legacy right right when they invite you next
year or the do you want to go and like
experience what it's like to just sort of, Oh, Tip,
you want to play golf?

Speaker 3 (54:36):
Oh Tip, you want to play you know thirty six today?

Speaker 5 (54:38):
You know, like Tip's there, he's America's guest.

Speaker 3 (54:41):
He's there every single year.

Speaker 12 (54:42):
You know.

Speaker 2 (54:43):
Well it's funny. So we were at some lunch and
and I hadn't gave him my speech yet. But but
tip is in and he's just talking to me relaxed
because he don't have, you know, the pressures of you know,
that Saturday coming, and I'm just kind of I'm talking
to him, but I'm kind of thinking about, well, no,
I should say this versus Dad. So like I could
just tell all the pressure was off of him and

(55:04):
for me, you know, he's just got a lot, a
lot of moving parts and a lot going on. But
like I said, I look forward to going and enjoying
everyone else's party on that Saturday and what you know.
So I just think, you know, personally, you know, it's
a tremendous honor, and you know, I'm glad to be

(55:25):
have this a red and a gold jacket.

Speaker 14 (55:28):
The one thing that Tippet said, Sorry, Paul, just one thing.
The one thing that Tippet said. And I think this
seems like it's new, and I thought that this was cool.
Is that somehow, some way that there's some unwritten rule
that the guys who weren't inducted but are there, they
make it a point to go to everybody's party, whether
they're there for five minutes or an hour. But like

(55:49):
I saw Terrell Davis there, you know, I saw I
saw a bunch of guys that I'd say, well, I'm
surprised that they were. I mean, he's a Georgia guy,
so maybe a bad example, but that there were guys.

Speaker 2 (56:00):
He came to the party.

Speaker 14 (56:01):
An't know, but somebody said, no, that's their responsibility. It's
their responsibility to go and welcome these guys, like you
know what you are in the fraternity right and welcome
and it's a way of that sort of unique groups.

Speaker 5 (56:15):
And I thought that was really cool.

Speaker 6 (56:16):
Richard.

Speaker 2 (56:17):
Yeah, no, it is, well, and it's not only cool
for us, but even also think about your family when
because EMMITTT Smith came to our party on Friday night,
Like a lot of my family grew up watching Emmitt
and for him to come in he had his goal
jacket on, you know, Warren Sapp, you know, Charles Woodson,
like all of these guys coming in. For your family

(56:39):
to see these guys and your granddad and or you
know whoever is there to also experience what that's like
and getting autographed and taking pictures, you know, it's just
a really special weekend. And what I will say is
all of the guys that are there the other Hall
of Famers, They do a really good job of welcoming

(56:59):
in the new class and making you feel like you
belong with them. And I think that's really the special
cool part. And they're asking you your opinions on you know,
what's next, and you haven't Mike, Mike Singletary talk to
you about YadA YadA, you know. So it's just a
really special, cool, unique moment, and you know, I'm excited

(57:22):
to get the ring here tonight.

Speaker 6 (57:24):
Is there is there a players you know, you just
ran off a whole bunch of names and you said,
how you really, you know, you respected those that came
before you. Was there a guy or some players that
made you sort of step back and say, that's Mike Singletary. Yeah,
well I got it, kind of like stops in your tracks,
the way Matt and I would be just you know,
with all of you guys.

Speaker 2 (57:43):
Yeah. No, Well, we were sitting in like they do
a luncheon where it's no media, it's no no one's
in there, it's just the Hall of Famers. I think
it's the Raydnichki luncheon. And we're sitting there and he's
a little older now, but Jim Brown came in. You know,
he was in a wheelchair, but he sat at the
table and even the respect that he garnered from the

(58:06):
other Hall of famers that were there, and for me
also personally, you know, being a defensive lineman when you're
there with obviously Tip, you're there with Lawrence Taylor. You know,
obviously he's passing going. But you know, you think about
Reggie White, what he meant, like all of these guys

(58:27):
are just, you know, phenomenal, world class players and you know,
just to sit and you know, share stories, you know
with a lot of those guys. I mean, it's just,
you know, it's a lifetime achievement award.

Speaker 14 (58:43):
Honestly, we're sitting you're talking with Richard Seymour and our
Pats from the Past podcast.

Speaker 7 (58:47):
And.

Speaker 5 (58:49):
It seems like maybe that.

Speaker 14 (58:52):
That aura or that euphoria, and it certainly helps by
the fact that you're being honored. You know, as you're
taping this tonight at halftime of the Bears game, it's
still sort of fresh. Is that fair to say that
feeling it?

Speaker 5 (59:04):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (59:04):
Well, here's the other part, Like, I mean, we all
know how hard it is to get into the Pro
Football Hall of fame. But then when you think about it,
you know a lot of guys get in they're sixty, seventy,
you know, some eighty year old you know, and plus.
But you know, the blessing in it for me is
I get to have this gold jacket and you know,

(59:25):
absolutely forty two years old, and still you know, my
kids they understand what it means, and you know, so
I just think that's the that's the special part about
it is I get to experience and live with it.
And you know, it's no different than like when I
was younger. You know, I had a wife and kids,
but they were also able to experience my playing days.

(59:48):
So even now that they're older, like they've seen it.
They've been there. They were on the field pre game
or halftime or you know, whenever. So it's not like
I have to tell them about what their dad used
to do or what ever. You know that that you
it's a big part of who you are now. But
you know, for them to experience it themselves, I think,

(01:00:08):
you know, it's an everlasting memory to.

Speaker 6 (01:00:10):
Talk about some of those.

Speaker 8 (01:00:13):
And now great moments in.

Speaker 3 (01:00:17):
History. That's good nachos. The steak, though at ordering one
pound hamburgers, and I.

Speaker 10 (01:00:23):
Don't do that.

Speaker 12 (01:00:24):
Fat, What are you doing?

Speaker 6 (01:00:25):
It's not like here's what you don't even that.

Speaker 3 (01:00:28):
It's not like I asked them to make me a
one pound burger. It's on the menu.

Speaker 10 (01:00:31):
Yeah, you don't have to order it.

Speaker 3 (01:00:32):
But the funny mean other people order or they wouldn't
have the menu.

Speaker 10 (01:00:36):
The funny thing is, though this was the last day.

Speaker 3 (01:00:39):
One pound chicken, one pound hamburger, or a whole chicken, right.

Speaker 10 (01:00:42):
The funny thing is this was the last day. So
we were starting to feel fat. So we had gone
to the gym.

Speaker 3 (01:00:46):
So when I could see YouTube ladies walking around in so.

Speaker 10 (01:00:49):
It does my butt look bigger than you know when
you go out to eat and you stuffed yourself for
four days straight. So we started to go into the
So it was the last night and he's we're walking
and he's like, take it easy tonight, you.

Speaker 3 (01:01:01):
Go because we had a seven o'clock flight and I'm like,
you know, I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:01:06):
Want to have any explosions on a little airplane.

Speaker 1 (01:01:08):
And I had That's another great moment from.

Speaker 3 (01:01:15):
Yes the great Andy Hart one pound burger.

Speaker 6 (01:01:17):
Holy there, I just love like, all of a sudden,
it's read and I just one of the rare times
that I just sat it out let them go.

Speaker 5 (01:01:29):
Were you with that combine?

Speaker 6 (01:01:30):
I wasn't at that combine. Evidently there was a time
too that we sort of split it up, like one
group will go earlier in the week and we would
go later in the week. But sounds like I wasn't
that that.

Speaker 3 (01:01:41):
One that was two thousand and six.

Speaker 6 (01:01:43):
Yeah, they're all blind together.

Speaker 5 (01:01:45):
Yeah, Lawrence Maroney and Chad Jackson draft.

Speaker 3 (01:01:48):
All right, eight five five pasts five hundred. Is the
Patriots Unfiltered Hotline podcast at patriots dot com. Is the
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(01:02:10):
and we all contribute to.

Speaker 6 (01:02:11):
Fred. I want to tell you that one of our
topics that made it into the newsletter last last week,
you know, our how'd you put it over the top
rope or through the gate through the front door.

Speaker 5 (01:02:22):
Yeah, so.

Speaker 6 (01:02:25):
That was Thursday show. Thursday night. I had the opportunity
again to extend my library tour. Yeah, I spoke at
the North Reading Library.

Speaker 5 (01:02:34):
It was great. Where he's going.

Speaker 3 (01:02:36):
So they don't pay him, they don't pay him for
these things, but they give him a library card for life.
So just if you can go to any library take
out a book. I was paid, You were paid paid,
So you're taking money from correct.

Speaker 8 (01:02:52):
Correct.

Speaker 6 (01:02:54):
So I had a gentleman come up to me after
the show and just said, hey, listen, I just wanted
to let you know Fred is not alone. I'm gonna
through the gate guy too.

Speaker 3 (01:03:05):
Yeah. No, we've had a lot of emails. I didn't
want to get to it, you know, because we've got
the combine. If I start the show off talking about
how we go to the bathroom, I think some people
might object.

Speaker 6 (01:03:15):
But but but he said, that's exactly when he goes
Fred's not alone. I'm gonna through the gate guy too.
And I just looked at it. I said, what are
you talking? And he goes from the show today, and
I was like, oh my god, Like I had no
idea what he was talking about.

Speaker 3 (01:03:26):
We get a lot of opinions on both sides of
the Ledger coming in on that. Maybe we'll get to
that Thursday.

Speaker 5 (01:03:33):
All right, we'll save my take for Thursday.

Speaker 8 (01:03:35):
Well, yeah, I mean being someone that wasn't on the show,
and then reading that in the newsletter, I was like,
what were they talking about when we weren't there?

Speaker 6 (01:03:42):
You know, everyone's like, I don't know. Today realized that
this mumble guy just ran like a like the combine.

Speaker 3 (01:03:49):
What are they doing? I'm trying to process these guys
and they're going to the bathroom.

Speaker 6 (01:03:53):
The other revelation I had Freddie was Sunday night, you know,
sitting around watching some college basketball games, and I'm scrolling
through my phone and this is in the aftermath of
the The Unfortunate thirty two and five eighths arm leanth
and you know, my slack notifications come in and as
Evan Lazare take on Will Campbell and what it means

(01:04:16):
and let me read that. And I started reading it.
I'm like, oh my god, poor Evan.

Speaker 3 (01:04:23):
Yeah, I like I had like.

Speaker 6 (01:04:25):
Visions of him just in a dark room by himself. Yes,
I can't, I can't talk now, I can't. I'm not ready.
I can't do this. I can't do this now. I'm
not ready.

Speaker 3 (01:04:34):
We had two thousand and seven Super Bowl. He's got
the Will Ramble army.

Speaker 6 (01:04:38):
I was worried about Evan. I'm worried about I read
his recap of that and I didn't you know what,
I got like into it and I was like, I
can't even read this anymore. It's making me depressed. Yeah,
I had to stop.

Speaker 3 (01:04:50):
He said he might skip the first round. He might
not come in.

Speaker 6 (01:04:54):
That's unprecedented. Even Eric never skipped the entirety of the
first round.

Speaker 8 (01:04:57):
I might I suggest the clock right now, like, I mean,
we can default it next year.

Speaker 6 (01:05:02):
That he's a picking and stick it guy. He's looking
to move down.

Speaker 3 (01:05:04):
Yeah, all right, eight five to five past five hundred
is the hotline. Let's go to Patty, who's been holding
on for quite a long time. What's up, Patty?

Speaker 11 (01:05:14):
What's up, gentlemen? How you doing this afternoon?

Speaker 3 (01:05:16):
Good?

Speaker 11 (01:05:19):
So I got a big one. It's scenario for you guys,
and it's regarding the draft. So let's just say that
have duel. Carter and Travis Hunter are number one and two,
throwman whatever order you want on the Patriots board, and
one of them comes off the board first. With Tennessee
the giant they signed Donald, They signed like a Heinekey

(01:05:41):
or Jacoby Versett to back them up.

Speaker 3 (01:05:43):
Right.

Speaker 11 (01:05:44):
They signed Donald with the attention of him starting. Now
we know Rabel spent last year in Cleveland, so we
know he's made some pretty good connections there, networks there.
Would it be crazy to think that we could package
maybe like our first third round pick, maybe a future asset,
move up to number two to get one of those guys.
And the last thing I'll say is, PAULI, I know

(01:06:05):
you like Dayden Higgins. I'm a nole guy, but if
we go wide receiver with the second pick, I'd be
happy with either one of those guys.

Speaker 3 (01:06:13):
Talk to you later, Okay, thanks. What do you think
about that moving up?

Speaker 5 (01:06:18):
I mean, probably not gonna happen. I just I don't
think it's as crazy though. I mean, there's like just
a little part of me that's willing to entertain that
because I do think those two guys are so uniquely
talented and are so different after they're After they're gone,
the draft is going to kind of change.

Speaker 6 (01:06:31):
And can you move from four to two for a
third round pick?

Speaker 8 (01:06:36):
That's what you're buying.

Speaker 6 (01:06:38):
No thanks for sale. Now, I will say, the way
this draft is being talked about, there are two guys,
so you might be able to make an argument that
you could get it for less because the draft is weak.
But if it's really only those two guys, right, why
am I maybe that drives the price out.

Speaker 8 (01:06:58):
Yeah, I'm always wearing trading up for a non quarterback,
Like I don't. I don't really think that that players
tends to be worth all that. But I mean the
Texans did it a couple of years ago for for
the past Rusher. I'm breaking on his name right now. Yeah,
well Anderson, that worked out so well.

Speaker 3 (01:07:17):
I mean, listen, there's been a plenty of people taken
in the first round who would have been worth trading
up for you just at the time you didn't know it, right, Yeah,
you know that's the key. You knew beforehand, right you would.
Eddie's in l A, Hey, Eddie, Eddie. Eddie is gone.

(01:07:38):
All right, We're gonna go to Providence. Randy's there, what's up? Randy?

Speaker 5 (01:07:44):
Hey?

Speaker 6 (01:07:44):
Guys.

Speaker 4 (01:07:45):
So, I mean this draft class overall kind of all
the players have like one major flaw, right, and and
to that end, just thoughts on two players, and then
I want to get you guys' reaction. Uh, Number one,
Will Campbell, I think you guys are drafted understanding how
much of an outlier he is, not just his arm length,
but obviously contributes to that his wingspan and he's got

(01:08:08):
narrow shoulders. They said his wingspan is seventy seven and like,
I think it's a half or five eights. Hasn't been
seen since nineteen ninety nine, at least they just stopped
looking at that point. So he's a he's a wild
outlier of that aspect.

Speaker 3 (01:08:23):
This guy sounds deformed. And from the way everyone's talking
about him right now, yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:08:27):
Yeah, yeah, and then Tetero and McMillan too. I've heard
a little bit of talk about him, the Patriots being
interested in him, and I mean, he sounds good. He's
six five thirteen hundred yards and I started looking into it,
and you realize thirty eight percent of those yards, five
hundred and six of them came in two games, one
against New Mexico one against West Virginia not exactly high

(01:08:49):
caliber pass defenses, and five of his eight touchdowns came
to those two same two games. The only time he
played an NFL caliber cornerback talent was called Roto Traviath Hunter.
He has five receptions for thirty eight yards and no touchdowns.
So if you take out those two really good games,
you're talking about a receiver with ten games, eight and

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thirteen yards, three touchdowns, and an average of twelve point
seven yards per reception for a six or five guy
in that league where he's not playing he's not in
the SEC.

Speaker 6 (01:09:22):
You know, he's also the worst team in the league
a lot more than that.

Speaker 4 (01:09:25):
But he's got a good quarterback and a good offensive
line in front of that quarterback. The worst part of
that team is that he's played with that quarterback since
high school.

Speaker 6 (01:09:33):
Yeah, quarterbacks, Jonas, Yeah, I don't think they're very good.
I disagree. I don't like McMillan because he doesn't run
all that well. You guys know me. I'm a I'm
a speedist.

Speaker 2 (01:09:43):
I'm with you.

Speaker 6 (01:09:44):
I want elite athleticism, especially for outside guys. I don't
love him, but I don't like the whole take these
two games out thing, because I think if you look
at most teams, it's football is a short sample by nature,
it's only sixteen games. In college it's even less. So
stats are sort of driven by incredible performances in individual times, Like,

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if you do that, you have to do that for everybody.
You have to take out the best and worst for
all all of the things.

Speaker 3 (01:10:15):
Well, not if the best is against the best teams.

Speaker 6 (01:10:18):
But what I'm saying is not everybody averages one hundred
and ten yards per game, and they get actually one
hundred and ten yards every game. Some of them get
three hundred and one game and fifteen another. Like that's
the way it works.

Speaker 3 (01:10:30):
But you do have to look at who the competition.

Speaker 6 (01:10:32):
I don't I think Randy's point on McMillan is is accurate.
I don't think he's quote unquote that good. And I
think that the league is telling you that they feel
the same way. They're intrigued by the size. But the
more you're hearing, the further down the first round, he
seems to be falling.

Speaker 8 (01:10:49):
Yeah, I mean, I think we we said we understand
Will Campbell. I'm like depressed over here about it.

Speaker 6 (01:10:55):
We're understating it.

Speaker 8 (01:10:56):
They I don't know, and I agree with them. I've
been saying not about tech McMillan before the combine, and
we'll worry me about Tech macmillan even more is that
he was afraid to run at the combine, which tells
me that he probably runs.

Speaker 6 (01:11:08):
Like one guy say that that means he's in the
four seventiesh Yeah, like if he.

Speaker 8 (01:11:12):
Was going to run, well, he would have ran. So
now we're going to go to the stop watches at
his pro day and you know who hell knows.

Speaker 6 (01:11:18):
If that's was my theory on Will Campbell's arms. Yeah,
you know, when we were talking last Thursday, I said
to Fred, you know, don't don't you think we'd know
that he has long enough arms. If he had long
enough arms, I don't think it would be this mystery
heading into the combine. We'd all know. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:11:32):
I kind of feel with McMillan, guy like Genty, like
they're specific players for specific teams at specific times. Like
I don't know why Houston just popped into my mind,
but like, you know, a team that has some in
theory inside threats and Eco Collins, but you know, get
a guy like McMillan, ware, Look, he doesn't need to
stretch the field. We just need a big body guy
on the outside that can contribute to what we already have.

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You know, same thing with Genty, where I feel like,
you know, we got some pieces on offense, this guy
can put us over the top. Whereas a team like
the Patriots, where you're really trying to find those foundational pieces.
It's hard to take those ones that.

Speaker 6 (01:12:03):
Are such specific, like Janty could have been a good
pick for like say Philadelphia if they didn't get Barkley
last year, Like you look at the impact like an improvement,
Like they obviously had a good offense with DeAndre Swift,
but Barkley's better than him, and it showed, and they
had a great offense with Barkley, you know, and I

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think that would have made sense, you know, last year. Yeah,
for Genta.

Speaker 8 (01:12:28):
If you want to sell yourself on TEP McMillan, his
game against Colorado and twenty twenty three is the game
that everybody props up. He had a decent game against
Travis Hunter, the one that he actually played this year.
Travis Hunter was hurt and he didn't play a lot
of defense in that game. I think he only played
like something like ten or fifteen snaps on defense. So
they actually didn't face each other a whole lot this
past year. So two years ago in twenty three, McMillan

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made like a one handed catch in the end zone
on Travis Hunter. That is like the highlight of his
Arizona career.

Speaker 6 (01:12:57):
That's the stuff that worries me about McMillan more. It's
that whole PTSD I have from Aaron Dobson, Like that's
what I see more often than not when McMillan's making plays.
It's that kind of it's not like, oh did you
see that that route that he just ran? You know,
he put his foot in the ground and stuck the
you know, the inside. You know, he's really he's he's
contested catches. Actually, he's find good contested like he's he's good. Yeah,

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I just don't know if he's great.

Speaker 8 (01:13:24):
I actually think that he can run routes pretty well
at the second level, Like his start stopability at his
size is probably like my favorite trade of his, uh
you know, come back or stop routes in cuts like
but mostly at like that intermediate level. Like he's a
big possession receiver.

Speaker 6 (01:13:40):
If you've heard a lot of people talk about Drake
London with him, if that's what he is, that's a
that's a good NFL player. Now I don't know that
Drake London was worthy of of a top ten pick, yeah,
but he's a good player. And if McMillan turns out
to be that I think the team that drafts them
will be happy Wills in Kentucky.

Speaker 3 (01:13:59):
Hey Will, all right, Hello, Yes, yes, I was gonna
ask you about what's going on over there? Who Andre Thornton?

Speaker 8 (01:14:15):
Oh yeah really fast? Okay, fast guys? Draft fast?

Speaker 3 (01:14:20):
Draft fast guys?

Speaker 8 (01:14:21):
Yeah fast that fast? And whose barth likes to say, Okay.

Speaker 6 (01:14:27):
What if you want strong guys? Bred?

Speaker 3 (01:14:29):
Draft strong, don't draft week guys?

Speaker 6 (01:14:31):
Interesting?

Speaker 3 (01:14:32):
All right, so we'll we'll we have some drop. I
don't know what's going on. Yeah, the squeaky wheel.

Speaker 8 (01:14:38):
I know you we all like speed. He's one of
those guys that you start asking yourself, like, what else
is he good at?

Speaker 3 (01:14:46):
Oh?

Speaker 6 (01:14:46):
Yeah, I speed just for the sake of speed, you can.

Speaker 8 (01:14:49):
Clearly run, you know. That's he's you know, had a
great combine.

Speaker 5 (01:14:53):
But I mean, from my perspective, when I say I
want speed, I don't mind if it comes at the
price of like you know, that's I'm okay. The guy
like Isaiah Bond, you know, a little smaller, like I
just need somebody with some juice.

Speaker 8 (01:15:07):
Well, what I like about Isaiah bon is that he's compact,
like he's not Thornton small, where he's tall and in
length that he's he's more like Jayleen Wattle, you know,
like where he's like a compact smaller. He's big, beads slot.

Speaker 6 (01:15:23):
But I would say that's that's a good off. Like
Jaylen Waddle, he's big enough.

Speaker 10 (01:15:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:15:28):
I go back to like my couple of guys, Christian
Kirk and Brandon Cooks. I liked both of those guys
a lot coming out of college. Smaller guys that could
really run, but they had some thickness.

Speaker 5 (01:15:41):
Yeah, can take some time.

Speaker 8 (01:15:42):
That's how I would say.

Speaker 5 (01:15:43):
Bond is yeah, James is not.

Speaker 6 (01:15:47):
And fifty pounds North Carolina?

Speaker 3 (01:15:48):
What's up, Jimmy? All right?

Speaker 7 (01:15:54):
So I had an outside thought for you. Is there
anybody that you could think that we could take off
the board and use immediately as an asset to trade away.
As an example, take Jant and and not that you
would get them for this price, but take Jant because

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you know the Cowboys won them, and trade that off
for in a package for CD.

Speaker 5 (01:16:24):
For who CD lamb.

Speaker 6 (01:16:26):
No, you couldn't do that.

Speaker 7 (01:16:28):
No, not specifically CD.

Speaker 6 (01:16:30):
That's just an example, but nothing of any comparable value.
You're not going to trade a rookie that you took
in the draft for an established star.

Speaker 7 (01:16:41):
I get that because somebody that you know a team
is targeting a particular piece you know they need.

Speaker 3 (01:16:50):
Well, if you were doing to do that, why I
just want to, you know, defend James a little bit.
Why is it so incredible? Like, so you take a player,
let's just say you take Will Campbell and there's somebody
else on another team that you know didn't have an
option to pick them because they're lower in the draft,
but they have a player you like, and.

Speaker 6 (01:17:12):
Oh, well that's different.

Speaker 3 (01:17:13):
Yeah, a player I like.

Speaker 6 (01:17:14):
Yeah, I can listen to that. It's like trading I'm
going to trade Micah Parsons for a first round pick, right,
But that's that's like I don't want Micah Parsons anymore,
so I'm trading him for a first round pick. Ceedee
Lamb is like the centerpiece of the Cowboys offense, right,
and they just signed him to a long term extension.
But it's going to cost you more than the fourth
pick of the draft, is my point.

Speaker 8 (01:17:34):
But you're selling. You're selling the pick though, right like
you wouldn't, Yes, you wouldn't draft the player and then
trade the player. The Cowboys would call and say we
want the fourth overall pick, so we can draft Jess.

Speaker 3 (01:17:46):
So instead of a pick swap and something else you're drafting,
you're trading for a player.

Speaker 8 (01:17:50):
Right, So the Patriots would say, Okay, we don't actually
want I think they're at twelve. We don't actually want
your pick. We want Micah Parsons. Now, I'm not saying
that's going to happen.

Speaker 6 (01:17:58):
I'm just and I get what you just saying. Now.
I thought you meant at first specifically ce d Lamb,
but you're just talking about a trade. Yeah, yeah, And
I think you do trade establish players for draft picks
at times, but players that you don't want or that
you can't sign, Yeah, like ye, And that's you know,
my whole theory on free agents that you let go
generally guys that you're comfortable letting go.

Speaker 3 (01:18:21):
All right, thanks James not you know. I like the
out of the box thinking. Yeah, yeah, it was different,
uh Reno and Knoxville Tennessee rights. And I really wish
they'd get rid of the fat franchise tag. The only
people who like it are owners and gms. I think
it ruins free agency. Been saying it for years before
anyone gets snarky. I hated when the Patriots use the
tag as well. Players hate it and fans hate it.

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Do you think they'll ever get rid of it?

Speaker 6 (01:18:47):
No, I'm one with him, though I agree totally with
the emailer. I think it's another and a long line
of how the players get completely abused by the owner.

Speaker 3 (01:18:57):
But there's been some players who like Wasn't and Kirk
Cousins the king of the franchise tag.

Speaker 6 (01:19:04):
Higgins is benefiting from it right now.

Speaker 3 (01:19:05):
Yeah, I mean, I mean, you gotta remember the elements
of the franchise tag were negotiated between the league and
the players Association.

Speaker 8 (01:19:15):
Yeah, but the Players Association loses those negotiations every time. Yeah.
I just think that the franchise tag to if you're
the pitch to the owners, if I was the players,
was if you want our free agency to truly be
like the NBA or the MLB, where it's like a
hot stove and there's actually real movement that they you

(01:19:37):
could make. They make it into a spectacle anyways, but
it would be a real spectacle if everybody hits free
agency and you you know, T Higgins was going to
be a free agent and Tray Smith was going to
be a free agent, and Ronnie Stanley was going to
be a free agent, and like right on down the line.
Now you're actually having some real players move.

Speaker 3 (01:19:54):
But see, the thing is, we're looking at this right
now from the current Patriots perspective. The fact that right
now the salary cap going up allows teams to re
sign more of their players. I think, isn't that a
good thing? Like, isn't it good if you're a fan
of a team and your team's doing well and you
have to keep those players to keep that, you know,

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continuity with your fandom and the players on the team.
You know, we'll we hate it now because we don't
have those players. But if we were, you know, the
Eagles are one of these teams at the top, we'd
be like, great, you know, now we can re sign
more of our guys and keep the band together.

Speaker 5 (01:20:30):
Right.

Speaker 8 (01:20:31):
But I would just say that on the flip side
of that is like the NBA, which right now is
the king of player movement. Sure, and they're they're the
number one story super Bowl Week because Luka Doncics just
got traded from the match to the Lakers.

Speaker 3 (01:20:42):
Oh, I get it, and stuff like that.

Speaker 6 (01:20:43):
It's always excited, but the players don't like it. Yeah,
I mean that's pretty simple.

Speaker 3 (01:20:48):
The players don't like the franchise tag, right.

Speaker 6 (01:20:51):
You know, and the the NBA to use evans. The
the comp is the bird rights. So the player has
the choice. I can take more to stay with my
team if I want to, but I still have the
ability to be a free agent if I want to leave. Yeah,
that's player power. Now, you could argue that the NBA

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players have too much. You know, so many guys make
so much money in that league that, in my opinion,
can't play in the end of The NFL was filled
with really, really good players that would kill for an
NBA salary.

Speaker 5 (01:21:24):
It's gonna be one of the biggest bargaining chips that
the NFL PA would go after trying to get to
eighteen games. I mean, like if they try to get
it into the negotiation, it's.

Speaker 6 (01:21:32):
I think they worry so much about things that don't matter,
like you know, ota practices and stuff like that. You
know that ends up kind of not big nothing burgers.
They're like the epitome of the Seinfeld episode with Jackie Childs,
and it's like, you know, we're gonna get this, We're
gonna get this. We're gonna get this. You know, we're
gonna give you a free coffee. That's the NBA players

(01:21:53):
in the NFL players.

Speaker 8 (01:21:56):
I just feel like it's disappointing for fans. And maybe
Friend's right, Maybe some of it's because we're in the
position that we're in here, but it's disappointed to fans
when you get to free agency and like Cam Robinson
is like the best tackle available and there's really no
receivers available, and there's it's just not as fun, Like
it would be way more fun if this was like
an actual time where you could sign, you know, in

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the NBA every offseason, some you know, megastar is moving
teams like that is more exciting.

Speaker 3 (01:22:24):
I see both sides. Jeremiah writes in and I don't
know if this is true or not, but he said
Davante Adams just got released.

Speaker 6 (01:22:31):
By that it's true.

Speaker 3 (01:22:33):
He said, how would you rank him among the current
wide receivers in the league that are available. I don't know,
he question.

Speaker 5 (01:22:43):
I'd probably say somewhere in the like seven, eight, nine
to twelve territory somewhere there.

Speaker 6 (01:22:50):
Maybe I was gonna say I was going to say
top twenty, but.

Speaker 8 (01:22:53):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, he's not what he was a
couple of years ago, but he.

Speaker 6 (01:22:59):
He still had a pretty good year even though that
they were so dysfunctional with the Jets.

Speaker 5 (01:23:03):
Do you think he's still on the Aaron Rodgers train? Like,
that's my question is does he really want to stick
with Aaron Rodgers or would he be open to something?

Speaker 6 (01:23:09):
I think I think there's probably a good chance that
he sticks with Aaron Rodgers wherever he goes if Rogers plays,
because I think that's still in doubt.

Speaker 5 (01:23:17):
What do you know about his relationship with Josh mc Yeah,
I think that's the one thing.

Speaker 6 (01:23:20):
Yeah, No, I read today that there's no problems with
that relationship. I read in the Boston Sports Journal that
was more of a problem with the quarterbacks, according to
Greg Madaro.

Speaker 8 (01:23:31):
Okay, car So, but you do wonder, just not people,
You do kind of wonder, you know, did he like Josh?
Is that you know? Do you like the offense? Doesn't
seem like it. Some of the public comments were a little.

Speaker 6 (01:23:43):
Didn't seem like he was in love with that offense. Yeah,
I'd be very surprised if he chose the Patriots if
he had options.

Speaker 8 (01:23:50):
Yeah, I do think the Patriots will be interested.

Speaker 6 (01:23:52):
They should be They should Yeah, don't you guys think, yeah, yeah, yes, yes,
they should be interested. I still they can bring in Adams,
That's that's an upgrade.

Speaker 5 (01:23:59):
I still can't forget watching him in those in the
joint practices out in Vegas few years ago, and I
was just man among boys, well watching you know, watching
the Patriots over that time period, and you know, there
was never really a number one. I haven't really seen
a number one receiver in camp. And then to see
him going drills, I mean that was just one rep
that always stands out to me against Janeen Mills, Jayalen Mills,
they were even, and then they weren't even. You know,
it was just this gear where he even boom hammered down.

Speaker 3 (01:24:23):
Yeah, but just big moves.

Speaker 5 (01:24:25):
Really well, I mean, I mean I'd be I'd be thrilled.

Speaker 6 (01:24:29):
My son just sent me a text, you know, DeVante
Adams of the Pats question.

Speaker 5 (01:24:34):
It's funny face have like like all these side conversations
with family members about.

Speaker 6 (01:24:38):
This, so you know, we're in the middle of a show.
I just go wait to see that, and he goes,
I didn't. I was just wondering. You think they'd sign him.

Speaker 5 (01:24:44):
He's not listening.

Speaker 8 (01:24:45):
He had eighty five catches, one sixty three yards and
eight touchdowns last year between the two teams. There's still,
you know, still a thousand yard receivers.

Speaker 6 (01:24:56):
I'm saying he's still he's still productive.

Speaker 3 (01:24:58):
Need a movie.

Speaker 5 (01:24:59):
And that's like, you know, some of the speculation of
like bringing Jacobe Myers back. Like I love Jacoby Myers,
but like we need somebody who can get outside.

Speaker 6 (01:25:07):
And I know from a broken record, and I know
it's a me problem, and I understand. I just I
think the offense works so well the way that they
situated with the little slot receivers and the chain movers,
because Tom Brady was just perfection. I think that offense
needs perfection to succeed. I want playmakers that I don't
have to rely on completing nine passes in a row

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to get eight first downs. You know, like.

Speaker 8 (01:25:33):
DeVante Adams is one of the guys that said that,
and he said that about this offense that it's more
of like a dink and dunk, you know, maticulated down
the field type of mist.

Speaker 6 (01:25:41):
So hard to do that with just anybody. Yeah, Brady,
it wasn't so hard for him because he had the
answers to the tests, as he famously told.

Speaker 3 (01:25:49):
Us Ellen Wisconsin's is Mike, I don't understand why you
think the Patriots are in no man's land. Didn't you
want to not be saddled with the number one?

Speaker 6 (01:25:57):
Overall?

Speaker 3 (01:25:58):
You should be thrilled?

Speaker 5 (01:26:00):
Yeah, Mike, No, that's I think that's a good criticism
for Mel.

Speaker 3 (01:26:03):
I think she's it is.

Speaker 6 (01:26:05):
Because because those of us that were like, it's not
that big a deal, it looks like a big.

Speaker 5 (01:26:10):
Deal now, we were kind of wrong, right, I mean, well,
I thought I was talking to Evanon and I think
we were walking out yesterday.

Speaker 6 (01:26:17):
It's it's you did you thought it was a big
deal at the time, Evan. I'll give your credit.

Speaker 5 (01:26:20):
There's an alternate reality.

Speaker 6 (01:26:22):
I'm not being sarcastic. Mike and I were like, oh,
what's a big deal.

Speaker 5 (01:26:26):
Now there's an alternate reality where we're actually spending the
next two months just debating Carter or Hunter and that's
pretty much all we're talking about for the last two months.
And I, yeah, you're right out. I kind of wish
we were there now.

Speaker 8 (01:26:36):
It's the one advantage not always obnoxious about being a
draft nerd is like I was already into this in
like November, so I knew what they were giving up
by winning that game.

Speaker 5 (01:26:46):
And guys like, two guys, you're outside the top two.

Speaker 3 (01:26:50):
Jackie and Abba. Who's our Michigan correspondent says, take to
understanding Mason Graham is that he was a great high
school wrestler and he brings his wrestling techniques playing defensive tackle.
Mason Graham does not have elite measurables, but he does
have elite balance, and his elite balance enables him to
play low more effectively than other defensive tackles. To appreciate

(01:27:11):
Mason Graham, one must watch his video. He's stone the
best offensive lineman from USC, Ohio State and Alabama. He
is a great defensive tackle and whatever team drafts him
is going to get a guy who will be a
star defensive tackle for a decade.

Speaker 8 (01:27:26):
So I agree with ninety nine percent of the email
except one word star. I don't know if he's going
to be a star. I think he's going to be
a really good defensive tackle in the league for ten years.
I don't know if he's going to be elite. That's
the problem because he said it like he doesn't have
that athleticism. He doesn't have the size, he doesn't have

(01:27:46):
the measurables, so he's going to have to make up
for all of that with wrestling background.

Speaker 3 (01:27:52):
I would just say it's a good background to have.

Speaker 6 (01:27:55):
Yeah, No, the wrestling thing is huge. I talk to
a million people about that and TJ you know, started wrestling.
I asked a lot of people about it from a
football perspective, from a lineman.

Speaker 3 (01:28:05):
But we still have a single.

Speaker 6 (01:28:06):
He does not have a singlet. Matter of fact, he
never had a singlet.

Speaker 5 (01:28:09):
They wore shirts, shirts and uniform.

Speaker 3 (01:28:12):
Yeah, that's not how you wrestle.

Speaker 6 (01:28:13):
It's not the required too much to grab on time.
They were like those you can't toy.

Speaker 3 (01:28:20):
But you end up with those shorts on your knees.
If you wrestle in shorts, singlets go down to you
your knee, but they don't come apart. That's what I'm saying.
You can pull those shorts down.

Speaker 6 (01:28:30):
Well that didn't happen.

Speaker 3 (01:28:32):
Yeah anyway, that's why you wear a singlet to piece,
you know, to.

Speaker 6 (01:28:38):
Back Evan the star part of it, like the star
interior defense in lineman. That that's Chris Jones, that's Aaron Donald.
Like do you think he has that. I'm not saying
that he doesn't have that potential, but is that what
Jack is suggesting? Star? Because that's what a star means
to me, like Christian Barmore, love them meaning not a star.
Christian Barmore has not been a star, not your patriot,

(01:29:00):
not yet, not yet. Okay, my guess is at this
point it's not going to be a star, Like you
don't become star generally in year five.

Speaker 7 (01:29:09):
No, but.

Speaker 6 (01:29:12):
If that's what you think Mason Graham can be a star,
then you gotta think long and hard about taking him
at four.

Speaker 3 (01:29:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:29:20):
I don't see that.

Speaker 3 (01:29:21):
Yeah, me too.

Speaker 5 (01:29:22):
I know I texted you guys, but No Socks reaction
to Mason Graham at the podium was was one of
the highlights of the whole common one of.

Speaker 8 (01:29:28):
The best, and the fact that he was in Josina
Anderson's video reacting to.

Speaker 5 (01:29:32):
Me, I don't know if I said to you so well,
I guess first the story was like we're it's all
gathered around Mason Graham, you know, No Socks is just
sitting there watching it, and uh, like the second he
walks down, the things like nope, I'm out. And so
I was kind of taking back. I was like, well,
you know, have you have you watched him play much?

Speaker 3 (01:29:51):
Not a lick.

Speaker 5 (01:29:53):
And so then later in the day jose and Anderson
puts out a tweet of like, you know, here's the
reaction to Mason Graham and it's literally like star framed
on no socks and then pans up. It was literally
the moment that was like, nope, no for me.

Speaker 8 (01:30:08):
So Devanta Adams apparently wants to play on the West
coast all right, So that I just now like, I just.

Speaker 6 (01:30:16):
Can't imagine he would say Patriots if he had options.

Speaker 8 (01:30:21):
Chargers is a good call. That woudn't make a lot
of sense.

Speaker 3 (01:30:23):
Chargers could see that Travis in West Virginia. I'm not
trying to make fun, but I'm perplexed by the way
Evan pronounces words like important, Curtin ritten, Milton Thornton. Uh,
that's how you say it. I've also noticed Alex f
doing the same thing, so I thought it was something
the younger generation does, but Bob Soci does it too.

(01:30:45):
Is it a New England thing Bob does?

Speaker 6 (01:30:47):
So used to say Cam Newton, Cam Newton, it's Cam Newton,
It's Cam Newton.

Speaker 3 (01:30:54):
I don't know.

Speaker 8 (01:30:55):
Yeah, I don't notice it.

Speaker 6 (01:30:57):
Obviously, I never noticed it with you and Alex. I
have to be honest.

Speaker 3 (01:31:01):
Certain certain, yeah, certain, certain, Certain you don't pronounce the t.
You you don't pronounce the t.

Speaker 6 (01:31:10):
But certain does anybody really well?

Speaker 3 (01:31:13):
But some people that you can notice it more? And
I would say Evan, Bob Soci, I would put in
that group. I have an ear for voice and articulation
and diction that you do Los Angeles, well, I went
to Emerson, So everybody has to take that. Yeah, uh

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spiin Fresno writes in if you pick a guy at
four who's not really a number four pick, is the
disappointment more about the missed opportunity when picking high you
didn't get the talent you hoped for, or about now
being saddled with an overdrafted player you're stuck with the guy.
I'm sure it's both, but I guess it's more about
the missed opportunity, given that access to high picks is limited,

(01:31:59):
for instance, what's strange The missed opportunity to pick a
more valuable player seems more annoying than the seeming obligation
to give Strange a roster spot. Because he's affordable on
a rookie contract.

Speaker 6 (01:32:10):
I think it's a not B.

Speaker 5 (01:32:13):
I like how he's thinking, though, and I'd go back
to just the point of there will be a guy
in this draft that should have gone forth overall, and
it puts more pressure on the front office staff to
find him. But to me, the question is what position
is worth overdrafting? You know, is if Will Campbell ends
up a left guard, is it worth it? You know,
if Membo ends up your right tackle for ten years?

(01:32:34):
Is it worth it? If you know, if Tyler Warren
ends up being a plus tight end for the next
ten years.

Speaker 6 (01:32:40):
Bring it up. We haven't talked about him.

Speaker 5 (01:32:42):
Is Ashton genty If he holds up for ten years
and is an all round, dynamic, home run hitting back,
is he worth it at fourth overall? You know those
are or will Will like Johnson the cornerback.

Speaker 6 (01:32:53):
Let's go back to that that twenty thirteen draft. And
this is why I say it's a not B. It's
not like stuck with this this guy. If the guy's
not good, then he's not good. You get rid of
them whatever. There's no ramifications of that other than it
blew a pick like that stinks like you don't want
to do that. But in twenty thirteen, yes, there's gonna

(01:33:15):
be someone that should have been taken forth overall that
would have been worthy of that pick. But there's a
difference between if you pick somebody at four who turns
out to be a bust and then the sixth pick
ends up being an All pro that you gonna that's
gonna haunt you. I missed him. If it's like twenty
thirteen and the next good player is like twenty seven
at DeAndre Hopkins, well, like the whole league didn't look

(01:33:38):
at him that way either, you know, And I wouldn't
look at that any differently than like, well you could
have had Terry McLaurin instead of Nikhil Harry, Like yeah,
two rounds later, no one else thought McLaurin was going
to be as good as he is either. You know,
it's the guys that were taken, you know, it's cold strange.
Instead of Trent McDuffie. That's a missed opportunity. You trade

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it out of a spot with an all pro caliber
cornerback got taken and you needed a corner and you
didn't take them. That you lament. But if there's just
no good players in the first round. I think that's
easier to stomach.

Speaker 8 (01:34:13):
In a weird way, I'd like to do to rattle
it off those players, Like I feel like it's a
question of would you rather just hit it down the
fairway with like a high floor player that you know,
this guy's going to play in the league. I don't
know if it's going to be a star level, but
you know, Tyler Warren is going to be a good
tight end in the NFL. Is he going to be
Rob Gronkowski? Probably not, but he's going to be a

(01:34:34):
good tight end in the NFL. Or would you rather
take a chance on the one of the trades guys
like mikel Williams, you know, like a Shamar Stewart, you know,
one of these pass rushers that have all the raw
measurables but don't necessarily have the production in college. And like,
you know, that's the debate that that to me is
this draft right now for the Patriots and I don't

(01:34:55):
envy the position that would you rather? I would probably
for the Patriots right now, I would probably take the
safer pick, yep, Because yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:35:04):
I think I'm the same thing that's got to be
right now you're not in the position to be like, hey,
let's take a swing. If it doesn't work out, oh well,
we've got other talented guys like and that's what that's
what's appealing to me. I think you take a guy
like that. If Tyler Warren ends up being your tight
end for ten years and no, he's not Gronk, but
he's a really good is anyone gonna me and then
you're right, though, Paul, I like your point of On
one hand, yes, if he's placed for ten years and

(01:35:25):
he solid no one's gonna say what a bust you
missed on the fourth overall pick. But if a guy
goes two picks later, who's an All World you know,
transcendental defensive lineman, you're oh my god, we needed that
piece and we missed on it.

Speaker 6 (01:35:37):
Yeah, and I would be able. I'd be okay with
it as long as I got a really good player,
Like if Will Campbell's an All Pro guard and you
took him four, and then at six your Georgia guy
goes and he turns out.

Speaker 5 (01:35:50):
To being car Or two point out right, Hey.

Speaker 6 (01:35:53):
Yeah, I miss I missed that opportunity, but I got
an All Pro player I picked a really good player.
It's when you go in the safe kid and it
ends up being not all that safe.

Speaker 5 (01:36:03):
Right, Well, then that's when I get into the positional
thing and is it you know, is a is a
left guard? Is that good enough?

Speaker 7 (01:36:08):
You know?

Speaker 5 (01:36:08):
Is that impactful enough? And I think, Hannah, some people
could make the case like Drake May, Like, if you're
gonna protect Drake May up the middle, He's gonna be smart,
he's gonna be tough. We saw so many free rushers
coming right up the middle last year. He's got attitude,
he plays with some grit. You know, there's a lot
to love. But still, is he gonna impact the game?
Is he gonna do enough for Drake May to make
enough of a difference?

Speaker 3 (01:36:29):
Uh Ford in Savannah, I loved Travis Hunter for this
team for a while. According to the Internet, which is
always accurate, Mike Rabel has said they put Hunter as
the top receiver and cornerback on the board.

Speaker 8 (01:36:41):
Did he say that that was a report from I
believe mass lives a little round up of the time.

Speaker 3 (01:36:48):
This makes me think that they really want ab Dul Carter.
Am I just used to Bill's mind games? Or do
you guys see some truth in this. So they're saying
all that, but they prefer a Carter.

Speaker 5 (01:36:58):
I mean, we asked, asked, I mean now, then I
asked Elliot Wolf directly about Travis Hunter, and I don't
know if everybody saw the clip, but he told us
that Macro wrote up two separate scouting reports on him.
Just the vibe I think we've gotten from them is
that they they like Travis Hunter.

Speaker 8 (01:37:13):
I think they're pretty infatuated by it, like from like
a scouting nerdom standpoint, just like talk like that's such
a unique player to just talk about, Like even if
you're you draft him or not, it's you know, how
which position is he better at? How do you what's
the plan to play them both ways? Like it's just

(01:37:33):
a fun thing to talk about that you don't get
to talk about all the time.

Speaker 6 (01:37:36):
You know, I can't remember ever happening. I mean I
remember guys who played both ways in college, but not
whether there was a true debate as to which side
of the ball he was going to play on in
the NFL.

Speaker 8 (01:37:47):
Because when you when you talk to people about Travis Hunter,
you know one of his superpowers is that he can
play both ways at such a high level, and so
a lot of people feel like if you don't play
them both ways, and you're not going to get the
most value.

Speaker 6 (01:38:00):
PA ask yourself, do you think you'd be the Heisman
Trophy winner if you only played corner?

Speaker 8 (01:38:03):
Probably not.

Speaker 6 (01:38:04):
No same with wide receiver, you probably wouldn't be. So
what your superpower theory is probably accurate. That's what makes
him so super special is that he played both at
an extremely high level.

Speaker 3 (01:38:19):
Mike Gerkin writes in the Pairaman better a long time
says written in but some things I hope you find
interesting that I wanted to share. Let's see, should the
NFL be worried? What I mean by this is that
with the salary cap ever expanding, teams have the ability
to keep whoever they want from a free agent standpoint,
teams however, are still required to spend to a certain

(01:38:42):
threshold each year, so potentially having to throw good money
at bad players. To compound the problem even further, we
are seeing a lack of talent at certain positions when
it comes to the draft. This begs the question, as
we move forward and the options each year become less
and less, how the teams that need to rebuild get
better is this just a doomsday scenario in my own head.

(01:39:02):
Where has the league seen its best version of itself already?

Speaker 8 (01:39:06):
I don't know if I would go that far, but
I do think it's an interesting conversation about there's a
lot of teams that have a lot of cap space,
and there probably aren't a lot of free agents that
are worth the cap space.

Speaker 6 (01:39:18):
And I think this is that's a good point.

Speaker 3 (01:39:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:39:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:39:21):
Also, my player is Sunny Weaver junior post it note
note player in this draft got draft is Jalen Knowell out.

Speaker 8 (01:39:29):
Of is U.

Speaker 3 (01:39:30):
Hopefully you guys understand the reference.

Speaker 8 (01:39:32):
Yeah, well I understand the reference. But welcome, Yes, we're
all welcoming. Anybody to the fan club is welcome. At
some point where you have to cut it off though,
like you a week before the draft, either're on the
bandwagon or you're off.

Speaker 5 (01:39:46):
But for now, it's I mean, it's it's kind of funny.
I feel like we're really three of us have talked
a lot about this now over the last couple of weeks,
and I think we're all kind of in very close
lockstep on a lot of these guys, like you know.

Speaker 6 (01:39:56):
There's not a lot of like you know, haven't been
in an argument weeks.

Speaker 5 (01:40:00):
I know, like one of us can't one of us
love Mason jam or one of us love Ted McMillan,
or you know, one of us be out on Travis Hunter.

Speaker 6 (01:40:06):
I really hate it. Yeah, back to the thing about
the Rabel piece. You know they have Hunter one wide
receiver in corner. That sort of tells me that they
must be pretty confident that there's no chance that he's available,
assuming that there's any degree of validity to that that

(01:40:27):
they must think. You know, like remember when the year
that Bill talked about Robert Gallery coming out of that draft,
and they yeah, because you know, we're picking in the
you know whatever, probably thirty two, and I can talk
about Robert Gallery as a generational offensive line prospect coming
out because there's no possible way that I can get
him in that draft. Remember, Yeah, that's the way I

(01:40:51):
look at this. If he's talking in very specifics about
a player, he must know that he's not going to
be available.

Speaker 3 (01:40:58):
Do you think is there any other reason why he
would that other than.

Speaker 6 (01:41:00):
Just smoke screen would be the other one that the
email emissions.

Speaker 8 (01:41:05):
I don't know. I think he generally like that just Bill.

Speaker 6 (01:41:11):
Wanted to marry Robert. He loved to the point where
he flamed out with the Raiders, and he brought him
here like he loved Robert Gallery. But I just felt
like he knew. The reason why he was telling us
how much he loved him is because he knew he
couldn't get him.

Speaker 3 (01:41:26):
Sea Bass and Mass writes in began big welcome back
to Deuce and a Lane. You know that he's calling
you a lane from Seinfeld. You were like the annoying
cast character that I took great offense to people liked
or something like that. But he says it out of love.
He says, I loved the lane on Seinfeld and used
the name of Jess much love for Lazarre. But anyway,

(01:41:49):
great coverage from the combine, the draft countdown intro music
is the best of the bunch. Seeing how is how
Evans I'll change his name back. Latest mock draft had
Hunter at four. I wanted to share my opinion on
how best to deploy him. We must eventually he must
eventually play both ways, if during camp or preseason it's
overwhelming for him as a rookie. I see the case

(01:42:11):
for limiting his scope, but I think you need to
attempt a dual role from the start. Specifically, as a
passing specialist. On offense, he should specialize in three wide
receiver sets on the outside. This limits him to around
sixty percent of the snaps and limits some of the
wear and risks that comes from run blocking. As a
wide receiver on defense, he should specialize on third down

(01:42:35):
and obviously passing down coverage fifteen to twenty plays round
thirty percent of snaps. That should again limit how much
he needs to play against the run, which should hopefully
keep him fresh. Thoughts.

Speaker 8 (01:42:46):
Yeah, I'm not like, I don't know. I'm not too
worried about how he's used in and the number of
snaps on each side of the football and all that
kind of stuff. I think you should play receiver full time.
I've thought that from the jump. I think that that's
the position that he's the most valuable at. I think

(01:43:07):
that's the position he's best at in terms of just
overall talent. I think Andrew Barry from Cleveland said it perfectly.
You know, when you have a guy that has that
kind of play speed in ball skills, like how did
you don't want him to touch the ball ten times
a game? You want him to touch it maybe once.
If he picks some you know, picks a pass off
or something like that on.

Speaker 6 (01:43:25):
Defense, six seventeen picks, it doesn't.

Speaker 8 (01:43:27):
Really make much sense.

Speaker 5 (01:43:28):
So I.

Speaker 8 (01:43:30):
How much he plays corner I think is more about, Okay,
we've established that you can that you're at your receiver,
you're you're good at receiver. If we add corner, you know,
how realistic is it for us to play you ten
to fifteen snaps on defense? You know, maybe it's third down. Yeah,
I got what.

Speaker 5 (01:43:50):
I love when I have someone to saint Paul Can
like telling he's no. Something I was thinking about on
my own, and I know the answer of what's probably easier, harder,
But do you what are the different challenges between teaching
a cornerback to play wide receiver or a wide receiver
to play cornerback. From like a coaching perspective, It's something
I was kind of thinking about, Like, I mean, I
would say it's probably easier to teach a wide receiver

(01:44:11):
to play cornerback. I think, like with Troy Brown kind
of thing, But ed, I don't know what's the interesting
kind of challenges you never see really cornerback.

Speaker 6 (01:44:19):
I think that's the biggest thing that no one everybody.
The injury thing, the durability thing is very, very real,
and it has to be an important If you're going
to take this guy one or two overall and you're
going to play him every play, your chances are you're
not going to get a long career out of him.
I think that's a real fear. But wouldn't you worry
more about the mental ability of a guy to how

(01:44:43):
do you understand the systems both sides of the ball,
the game plans every week, How are you spreading his
time at meetings? Mentally? How do you know? I think
that's hard. Now again, if you want to do it
the way the emailer said that you have a package
of plays that he has to know on offense and defense.
Smaller thing that's Marcus Jones right, Like, you can do that,

(01:45:03):
but I'm talking about full time. That's a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:45:07):
I would just.

Speaker 8 (01:45:08):
Worry about if we do something fancy like what the
emailer said. I'm worried that he's not going to be
impactful on either side of the ball because he's not
going to be playing him enough on either side of
the ball right to make a real impact. So I'd
much rather him play wide receiver full time, kind of
like Marcus Jones, and then like Moonlight on defense, where

(01:45:29):
you know, if you just say to him, hey, Travis,
we can't stop this guy, so why don't you go
take Jamar Chase for a series and let's see if
you can do it, then I'd feel a lot better
about that.

Speaker 5 (01:45:39):
You know.

Speaker 8 (01:45:40):
It's like and remember the Titans when he goes over
to PD and he's like, can you just go cover
forty two because he's been killing us all night? Like that,
that's like what I would do with him on defense,
where just go play man to man against this dude titanence, right, Yeah,
like you know, and that's it, Like you don't have
to worry about man's own you don't have to worry
about what the rules are run with this do what

(01:46:02):
you do draft, And that's how I would approach it.

Speaker 3 (01:46:05):
Apparently, so just crop dusted the ninety eight point five studio,
looks it.

Speaker 8 (01:46:11):
He just sits there, the buss the plane.

Speaker 3 (01:46:14):
Again, you're getting a lot of criticism, Yeah, Ryan and
Colorado for the prime fraud. I love how dude said
a couple of months ago that he didn't want a
top two pick and that he preferred to be fourth
or fifth. Now he opens the show today saying, we're
at four and in no man's land.

Speaker 5 (01:46:31):
I'm not a fraud because I didn't you know that.

Speaker 3 (01:46:33):
You didn't know the draftings for guys.

Speaker 5 (01:46:35):
I didn't know the draft as well.

Speaker 6 (01:46:36):
So everybody else did.

Speaker 5 (01:46:38):
Everyone else knew exactly who the two guys were.

Speaker 6 (01:46:40):
I'm certainly guilty of that. I didn't realize that there's
only going to be two players worth rafting.

Speaker 3 (01:46:44):
Would have thought.

Speaker 8 (01:46:44):
I tried to tell you.

Speaker 6 (01:46:47):
How many times I got to say you were right.

Speaker 8 (01:46:48):
I don't want to, you know, not even that.

Speaker 3 (01:46:50):
I just, you know, just Dylan writes in probably my
worst take that I can remember is Nikhil Harry. I
thought he was going to come in as a thousand
yard receiver as a rookie, have a Mike Evans type
of career. Maybe my best take is thinking that Justin
Jefferson would be the best wide receiver in the NFL,
But I guess that's up for debate. I also feel
the same way about Brian Thomas Junior, though, so maybe

(01:47:13):
I just like LSU wide receivers. So let's here everyone's
worst and best take they've had. It doesn't have to
be about the Patriots or about a player in the draft.
It can be a free agent signing or trade, or
even a coaching change. But a take that you had
that you nailed in something you look back at and
laugh how wrong you were.

Speaker 5 (01:47:32):
I've said this one before, but I didn't want Dante
high Tower because I thought he was too much like
Brandon Spikes. That that was a bad news take for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:47:40):
In what way?

Speaker 5 (01:47:41):
Well, we got a big, physical inside linebacker, you know,
I didn't realize, like, no, not like.

Speaker 6 (01:47:45):
Fred likes Brandon Spikes.

Speaker 5 (01:47:47):
Do you like Spikes?

Speaker 3 (01:47:49):
What's that you?

Speaker 5 (01:47:50):
Brandon Spikes?

Speaker 3 (01:47:50):
Oh he was a good guy.

Speaker 6 (01:47:52):
Yeah, he liked photos surfacing on the Internet of Brandon Spikes. Well,
it was a video makes you feel further proving that
I never saw.

Speaker 5 (01:48:01):
Now you'd be questioning your manhood for the rest of
I had.

Speaker 6 (01:48:04):
I had two guys coming out of drafts that I
really really liked, and they both sucked, Vernon Goldston and
Aaron Mabon. I really liked both of those guys, and
ironically or coincidentally, I guess they went to AFC East
teams and were colossal buss.

Speaker 3 (01:48:21):
I guess I guess the worst take I've had was
Matt Patricia would be fine as an offensive cord.

Speaker 6 (01:48:29):
And I'm still going to give you slack for that.
Why because I don't think you really believed it.

Speaker 2 (01:48:33):
No I did.

Speaker 12 (01:48:34):
No.

Speaker 6 (01:48:34):
I honestly just talked yourself into No.

Speaker 3 (01:48:36):
I honestly did no.

Speaker 6 (01:48:37):
I I thought Richard Seymour, I wanted to I wanted
David Terrell. So I famously said I was going to
resign when they after Richard Seamo.

Speaker 5 (01:48:45):
I was also over twelve win seasons.

Speaker 3 (01:48:48):
That was That was a bad take. Yeah, my good
takes too long to list.

Speaker 6 (01:48:55):
Justin Jefferson would be one of yours, just one McConkie. Now,
there were a lot of guys that really I.

Speaker 3 (01:49:01):
Mean, I was on Robbie Gould before anyone was on
Robbie Gould.

Speaker 6 (01:49:06):
There were a lot of guys that get drafted that
you know, I've liked over the years and they turn
out to be really good players. But that's boring. It's
more fun to talk about the guys like Vernon Goldston. Yeah,
like I was all in on Vernon.

Speaker 3 (01:49:16):
The list of guys is too long, But I know
you want to get a slack, but I don't know why.

Speaker 6 (01:49:22):
I honestly believe I really don't think that you did well.

Speaker 3 (01:49:24):
I'm telling you I did.

Speaker 6 (01:49:25):
But I think you're being magnanimous.

Speaker 3 (01:49:27):
No, I'm not. I was wrong. I was wrong. I
was wrong.

Speaker 8 (01:49:33):
I would say the worst. I was a big Trey
Lance guy, big Trey Lance guy. That one was bad.
I still kind of believe a little bit in Trey Lance.
I'm not gonna lie. Still.

Speaker 6 (01:49:44):
I have that a little bit with justin fields.

Speaker 8 (01:49:46):
Yeah, I just like you never get a chance three games.

Speaker 5 (01:49:51):
In the last ten years.

Speaker 6 (01:49:52):
I would agree with you with Lance, He's never really
got a chance to play these fields.

Speaker 3 (01:49:56):
I'll give you another one. This is non football. But
I was probably the last guy in the planet who
thought that Lance Armstrong was clean.

Speaker 6 (01:50:05):
Oh yes, Andy used to torture Fred about that.

Speaker 3 (01:50:09):
Really, It's like, there's no way all the cancer stuff
he does is no way he would do that. I
was the last guy.

Speaker 5 (01:50:18):
Guy.

Speaker 6 (01:50:18):
Well, yeah, in fairness, and in fairness, Indy and Paul
doubt everybody.

Speaker 5 (01:50:25):
So yeah, that's we had to be right.

Speaker 6 (01:50:26):
Once in a while.

Speaker 3 (01:50:28):
There was a guy here who was a big guy,
and he sat next to Andy's cube, and like Andy
would torture him, you know, go to stir of the steroids,
and finally the guy snapped out at him, like what
did he say? And he shut that f up.

Speaker 6 (01:50:42):
They didn't talk for a long time.

Speaker 3 (01:50:43):
Yeah, Andy and Andy shut up.

Speaker 6 (01:50:45):
Yeah, guy was twice aside of Yeah, that was.

Speaker 3 (01:50:49):
Funny that day. There was a lot and he would
sit at the like the way the cubes were. Andy
was like at a crossroads, so like there was an
aisle here in an aisle there, like a t there
was a lot of traffic and you know, he sat
right at the end there. The chatter that would come
out of just his cube all day long. He never
shut up. He never shut up.

Speaker 6 (01:51:15):
And was a He's a born troublemaker.

Speaker 3 (01:51:17):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, he's what my great aunt would say,
an imp. He's an MP.

Speaker 6 (01:51:23):
Yeah, I'm not sure familiar with that thing for me.

Speaker 8 (01:51:28):
Yeah, that's what I thought.

Speaker 3 (01:51:31):
Kelly and salt Lake right saying, is Travis Hunter on
the same level as Gonzo being a corner. If he's
not a wide receiver, If Gonzo can't slow down a
top receiver, the Patriots aren't stopping them.

Speaker 5 (01:51:42):
It's a little, well not that much smaller, really, I.

Speaker 3 (01:51:45):
Think I think I think Gonzo is a good technician
and a graceful corner. I think that Travis Hunter has
has that Darrell Reeves, Deon Sanders type of thing in
him with, you know, just that ability to make up
space instincts, you know, vision of the field, knowing way

(01:52:06):
to when to come off his receiver. He's got that.

Speaker 8 (01:52:13):
I would say that I love Gonzo.

Speaker 3 (01:52:15):
Everyone knows that.

Speaker 8 (01:52:15):
Yeah, Travis Hunter is definitely a better cornerback prospect than
Gonzo was. Just a natural ability his ball howking skills
playmaker watch more of a playmaker special?

Speaker 5 (01:52:27):
Oh yeah, special athletes just fun to watch and even
just move like how smooth they are and graceful. But
I totally that's exactly what I was going to say.

Speaker 8 (01:52:36):
Ball skills Travis Hunter is uh, you know, I always
hate using the word generational, but like he's he's special.
Every five years, maybe you have a prospect like Travis
Hunter at corner you know he's really really good.

Speaker 3 (01:52:49):
Yeah, and but we don't talk about him really that
way at wide receivers. So I don't understand why some
people are saying he's a better wide receiver than he
is a cornerback.

Speaker 8 (01:52:57):
Well, because his ball skills and the way he plays
the football in the air is just so good that
he makes a lot of contested catches the size that
you wouldn't expect, So his hands are just magnets.

Speaker 6 (01:53:08):
And maybe people are looking at it like Andrew Berry said,
like why wouldn't you want to get the ball in
the guy's hands ten times? And maybe he's not as
good a wide receiver as he as a cornerback, but
wide receivers are more valuable.

Speaker 3 (01:53:20):
Yeah, yep, it's true. I don't know that that might
be why I'm just uh Longino from Jersey writes in
I just want to say to Evan if you heard
the things being said about him last week, but I'm
I'm team boneless. I don't mind eating wings, but boneless
is just easier to eat, and it's just as flavorable. Evan.

(01:53:41):
They said to stop talking non football takes, and your
takes are bad, but I disagree. You're they're unexpected and
love the bicker between you and Paul, So continue voicing
your opinion. Don't let them silence you. It's not It's
not a matter of boneless wings not tasting good. They're
not boneless wings. They're chicken. Nugget.

Speaker 6 (01:54:00):
Then they don't taste as good as chicken wings. Well
they don't.

Speaker 3 (01:54:02):
They have a different taste. It's a different They taste great,
but it's different.

Speaker 8 (01:54:06):
I didn't realize that this was so polarizing something.

Speaker 6 (01:54:09):
The pain thing is, this didn't come up last week.
It was about your take Colin the old Canseco field House.
What's it called out game Bridge. Oh yeah, you called
that the barn. And it's not called the not the bar.

Speaker 3 (01:54:23):
But we had somebody who, yes, somebody who said it's Butler,
but it's it's Minnesota.

Speaker 6 (01:54:29):
And I said, when someone said Butler last week that
I've been to Hincklefield House and I don't remember anybody
calling at the barn.

Speaker 3 (01:54:35):
Right.

Speaker 8 (01:54:36):
I'm so sorry. I'm not familiar with university.

Speaker 6 (01:54:40):
We call hockeys. He adds to the that's a great
that's a great barn bar, great barn bar.

Speaker 8 (01:54:47):
I all I know is I a lot of last week.

Speaker 6 (01:54:50):
Apparently you did catch a lot.

Speaker 5 (01:54:51):
Of some defenders. Though I watched the clip they clipped
off one that I didn't.

Speaker 8 (01:54:54):
I didn't appreciate some of the things in that clip.

Speaker 6 (01:54:56):
Oh I did. I was I was tossing kerosene on it.

Speaker 8 (01:54:59):
Well there, I have enough time for me.

Speaker 6 (01:55:03):
But boneless do not taste the same. They taste fine.
That's you know, it's a perfectly good substitute.

Speaker 5 (01:55:08):
Would just graduate the boneless eating experience a little more.
I don't like getting the grist and get around it.
And I always feel like I didn't get enough meat
off the bone. You know, it's I'm leaving too much.

Speaker 3 (01:55:18):
It's a different experience and it doesn't taste the same.

Speaker 5 (01:55:21):
No, And I'm willing to just you know, I just
want to deliver the buffalo and blue cheese.

Speaker 3 (01:55:25):
But I'm a flat skuy when it comes to bone in.
I like the flats better than the drumstick. It's like
I think the meat is better.

Speaker 6 (01:55:33):
Yeah, yeah, I like them both equally.

Speaker 5 (01:55:35):
You just do the old like suck it right off
and just what's that? Well, there are people that pull buffalo,
you know, the flats. You can just all that's left
is like two bones and the and the and the
and the cartilage around it, and like, well, you know what,
it addresses my thing, and I'll feeling like I get
all the meat.

Speaker 6 (01:55:51):
You never hate it like that, did you?

Speaker 7 (01:55:53):
No?

Speaker 5 (01:55:53):
I would never even attempt that. That's too like that,
just pull it right out right and then they just pop,
you know, and then it's like a boneless tender.

Speaker 3 (01:56:03):
We'll lend the show with a child, I know, we'll
lend the show with another. Will Campbell arm length email?
This is from Ron. Wait a minute, I got to
go to Eldred. He's been holding on. I'm sorry, sorry, Aldred,
let me get to you. What's up, Eldred?

Speaker 6 (01:56:17):
Oh my bad?

Speaker 3 (01:56:20):
He didn't hold on?

Speaker 2 (01:56:21):
My bad?

Speaker 3 (01:56:22):
Pulled over.

Speaker 6 (01:56:23):
You did say you're going to end the show?

Speaker 2 (01:56:24):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:56:25):
Ron and Conway, New Hampshire. In short, I say I
was destroyed about Campbell's arm length. That's an understatement, however,
being that I work in a machine shop every day
and use every measuring device known when I'm not giving
uh giving with my band, I don't know what that means.
Maybe he's in a band to measure with. I literally

(01:56:46):
measured the undersized measurements of Campbell. The difference of the
League standards of thirty three inches and Campbell's length is
literally the thickness of a pencil erasure plus to mension thickness. Wow.
I to believe that he's now undervalued or has lack
of talent to do the job at left tackle. In
my opinion, that's freaking crazy as far as value. I'm

(01:57:10):
not an economics major, but Jesus, he's valued just fine.
I wish everyone would stop the negative nitpicking of him
and draft him, no matter if it's drafting for a
need or not. We need to face the facts that
free agents aren't coming here for various reasons until we
start winning again. Just my opinion, and I'm a nobody.
Thanks for listening. Welcome back, Evan induced You guys were

(01:57:31):
great during the combine.

Speaker 8 (01:57:32):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:57:33):
I don't mean to, but so it is the needs
so great that you overlooked us the four rights of
an inch and you take I.

Speaker 6 (01:57:41):
Don't understand why people. If you think it's not an issue,
then draft him. That's fine. But I don't understand why
people can't figure this out. The league thinks it's an issue.
The league get large. There's six guys out of how
many even there your tweet, sixty sixty seven guys have
played a certain on a snap. Five six have arms

(01:58:03):
that are shorter than thirty three inches. Am I to
believe that that's not an issue when it's that kind
of a ratio, When fewer than ten percent of the
players that played five hundred snaps have arms that I
have to and out of those, Campbell's arms are on
the short side.

Speaker 7 (01:58:19):
I know.

Speaker 3 (01:58:19):
But of those six people, do they have what Campbell
has in terms of his athleticism and all that?

Speaker 6 (01:58:25):
Why not?

Speaker 3 (01:58:25):
I don't know.

Speaker 8 (01:58:26):
It's a fair question.

Speaker 3 (01:58:26):
I don't know who they are.

Speaker 6 (01:58:27):
But like, athleticism isn't the number one thing I'd look
for for an off.

Speaker 3 (01:58:31):
Can he make up for the fact that his arms
are shorter?

Speaker 6 (01:58:34):
And my guess is the NFL is telling you no,
I don't know. That's my guess based on the reaction
that came from Sunday afternoon. My guess is you can
cross him off the tackle list. Okay, Now, if someone
takes him and he plays tackle, good for you you
you were bold enough to do it. I don't know
that the pagerot's in a position to make that dice roll.

Speaker 3 (01:58:54):
That's why we need Dante.

Speaker 8 (01:58:56):
That's why, like whether it's.

Speaker 6 (01:58:57):
Fills a neither or not, it would scare the crap
out of me that I'm going to take a guy
who might not be able to play the position I'm
taking him for.

Speaker 8 (01:59:04):
That's what it comes down to, is are you the
team that can afford the gamble?

Speaker 3 (01:59:08):
Right?

Speaker 8 (01:59:08):
And I think you know if you're a different position,
if you're a team that you know happens to have
a top ten pick but had a great record last year,
and you feel comfortable with the rest of your roster,
and you're just grabbing the talent like that's one thing, right.
He needs to be a cornerstone franchise left tackle for
the page.

Speaker 6 (01:59:26):
And again, I just want to state, because I don't
want this to come back and bite me someday. This
is not my take. This is the NFL's take, right.
I don't know enough about offensive line play to know
that that eraser size makes a difference, but evidently those
that do know this stuff believe it does.

Speaker 3 (01:59:43):
Dana, Virginia and Michigan. Of all the odd things that
Fred and Paul have argued about, this almost argument, with
Paul saying Fred was right and Fred adamant that he
was wrong, it is perhaps the most unexpected.

Speaker 6 (01:59:54):
It's unsettling. I still think you're being mad, you know,
I'm you wanted to You played the role as you
often do on this show of the Beacon of Hope.

Speaker 3 (02:00:05):
I know, but I was dead serious. It came back
and I was dead serious, and I was wrong. I
can admit when I'm wrong. All Right, that's gonna be
it for this edition of Patriots Unfiltered. We'll be back
on Thursday, when is Catch twenty two this tomorrow and
Barth is back.

Speaker 8 (02:00:19):
Barth is back. I don't know if they make him
walk back. I don't know if he's alive. No, I
know he's alive.

Speaker 3 (02:00:26):
So that's going to be a big show tomorrow. The
two of you wrap combine, wrap up the combine. Oh
my god.

Speaker 8 (02:00:31):
We haven't really talked about free agency a whole lot
because we've just been all draft. So we'll have some
free agency takes as well.

Speaker 3 (02:00:37):
What's Boss War's take?

Speaker 8 (02:00:38):
Ever, I don't know, there's too many.

Speaker 6 (02:00:43):
Wow, Buffalo was done. I heard Josh Allen.

Speaker 8 (02:00:46):
I would say Josh again, Yeah he was.

Speaker 6 (02:00:49):
Josh Allen stinks is a lot of people, a lot
of people, and that's one of that's one of that
I would put on the positive side that I was
on board the Josh Josh Allen or lamar Ja.

Speaker 8 (02:01:01):
Yeah. It wasn't big on either one of those guys.

Speaker 3 (02:01:03):
And you know, I tried to tell them okay, all right, Well,
we'll look forward to Catch twenty two on tomorrow and
we will see you on Patriots Unfiltered on Thursday.

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