Patriots Unfiltered 4/10: Hunter Henry In-Studio Interview, Pats HOF Nominees, Draft Talk

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Speaker 1 (00:13):
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The World's of Virginal podcast Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. There
are things that Rabel is doing that it's like, oh, okay,
that's pretty cool. You can see how he's putting his
immediately putting his thumbprint on the team.

Speaker 3 (00:41):
And I'm told that that's very high on Mike Rabel's
lists throughout the hallways. Always Yeah, he's.

Speaker 1 (00:51):
Getting serious about his music too, right, like we're all
not too. He's getting music a musach.

Speaker 2 (00:56):
A lot of your people yesterday were you.

Speaker 3 (00:59):
People, Mike? You thoughts, Kyle Duggart looked a little thinnery yesterday.

Speaker 2 (01:03):
Supermitched feelings?

Speaker 4 (01:04):
Here?

Speaker 3 (01:04):
Am I alone?

Speaker 2 (01:05):
Please help you?

Speaker 3 (01:06):
Just never listened to me. He played one game against
practice squad players, Milton, and now he's all of a
sudden worth what to go.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
That's true, then somebody should get fired.

Speaker 3 (01:16):
I legitimately just said that. And I'm not picking on
you because I know you argue with me, because that's
what we contract really obligated to do. So he's basically
not pat original.

Speaker 2 (01:28):
Like Americans are a letdown to your family.

Speaker 3 (01:31):
You know.

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Speaker 2 (01:41):
All right, welcome the Patriots Unfiltered. It is Thursday here
at Jillette Stadium, and it's Paul, it's Deuce, it's me Evan.
It'll be by later. Will Alex be by later?

Speaker 3 (01:52):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:52):
Okay, and we might have a special guest come in
in a few moments. We'll see. Yeah. Well, I don't know,
you know, I think that's kind of but we're we're
in the midst now of the off season. Voluntary workouts.
People one weekend, one weekend.

Speaker 1 (02:12):
At this point, I'm running.

Speaker 2 (02:13):
Yeah, we're gonna have some availability today. Who's speaking. That's
where Evan is by the James.

Speaker 1 (02:20):
Bradbery Okay, his name is Gart Garrett Garrett.

Speaker 2 (02:23):
Sorry, I don't know you think of Ray Bradbery, the
science fiction author. James Bradberry was an Eagle. I feel sorry.

Speaker 3 (02:33):
Cornerback, cornerback. Yeah, yeah, it's Garrett Bradbury. Garrett and Antonio Gibbie.

Speaker 2 (02:41):
Okay, so they'll be talking to the media today.

Speaker 3 (02:44):
Yeah, that's where Evan is, and I think Alex is
at the community event that she is gonna try to
get from there to hear as quickly as she can.

Speaker 2 (02:54):
Okay, all right, our two.

Speaker 1 (02:56):
Uh yeah, she sent me, I'm doing an A M
A for the newsletter this week. So I'll just give
you a bunch of good questions. Thank you everyone for
writing in so well.

Speaker 2 (03:05):
Is that with Reddit?

Speaker 6 (03:06):
No, it's just asked me anything, So alex questions online
and receive them.

Speaker 3 (03:11):
Yeah. It's funny like when someone I had to remember
when Lauren was here. Lauren Spencer was you know, sort
of a social media content coordinator for for a lot
of years, and she asked me to do one of those,
and you know, it's like an A M A. And
I'm thinking to myself, it's like, give me. I was
thinking it was like a Reddit, like some kind of

(03:33):
coding and I was like, No, it's asked me anything.
Oh yeah, right, far less complicated than I thought. Yeah,
sure I'll do it.

Speaker 2 (03:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (03:42):
I thought it was something I was going to have
to like know how to do from a technological standpoint.
I was like, I don't know, just.

Speaker 1 (03:47):
Answer questions about your life, Paul, that's all that's fun.

Speaker 3 (03:51):
That's fun. I'm looking forward to uh, I'm a little discrassed.
Mike is knocking his mic off as you. Yeah, I'm
interested to see what what the listeners have in store
for you. Mike, what kind of I asked you why
you're not getting more serious about your music?

Speaker 6 (04:09):
Well, there wasn't about a potential calendar with Ashton Genty
and Derreck Henry types. Who else might be featured in
said calendar, not to be confused with the Boys of
Patriots unfiltered calendar that Swimsu calendar will be trying to
put together for a while now that Paul, you've lost
a little little.

Speaker 3 (04:24):
Wait for a boys maybe an older gentleman of p U.

Speaker 2 (04:30):
Maybe I did hear a little bit of news according
to Albert Breer this morning, Abdul Carter will be coming
for a visit on Monday. On Monday, and I guess
it's kind of newsy because he's limited the number of
teams that he's willing to go visitin.

Speaker 1 (04:48):
Just the top four.

Speaker 3 (04:49):
Yeah, I think he said he was. If you're not
picking in the top five, I think want to like Yeah,
So that that kind of dovetails nicely Freddy into develop
an opinion I might might be trying to formulate you
work shopping it. Yeah. Yeah, and it's just like I'm starting,
maybe I'm setting myself up for the big let down,

(05:09):
the big fall. I'm trying to convince myself there's still
a chance that one of those two guys is available,
and I've sort of come to the conclusion that Carter
might be the more likely one, depending on what Cleveland does.
If Cleveland were, like, I think that ninety nine you know,
you know, out of all of my models, like I

(05:31):
would say, well over ninety five percent of my models
have both Carter and Hunter going two three in some order. Okay,
but I do think there's a chance. So you're saying
there's a chance that if Cleveland takes Hunter, that the
whole you know, cliched narrative of the Giants not necessarily
needing another edge rusher, with Brian Burns and Kevon Thibodeau

(05:53):
already under contract on the edges, maybe they would, you know,
let Carter slip by and take who Oh, I don't know.
I'm just the European model, and the European Model did
not give me the information that I needed. But I've
just been trying to convince myself maybe there is a shot.
Maybe there is still reason for some intrigue there with

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that third pick. Maybe they won't do it. Now, if
I were the Giants, there would be a no brainer
for me. Even if if Carter, you pick Carter and
he works out and he pans out, there's a chance
that he's better than those guys, you know, at least
one of them. And you know, Thibodeau is still a
young guy. You'd have to pay him soon. You know,
if I have Abdul Carter as a cheaper defensive Player

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of the Year candidate, you know, if he really you know,
knocks it out of the park. I start with the Giants.
That's a good problem to have good players.

Speaker 6 (06:46):
Goes back to what I said last show, where you
can't pick what positions are available, and you don't really
get to pick. Oh there just happens to be a
star at a position that you already have two guys at.

Speaker 2 (06:56):
I recall the Giants won a certain Super Bowl because
they had a pretty front line.

Speaker 1 (07:00):
Sure too, so's not remember a thing to have.

Speaker 3 (07:04):
Yeah, it's just you know, it's it's never a problem.
No one ever said, you know why we lost because
we had three defensive ends and we only needed two.
No one ever did that. It's like no one's ever
got away from you know, winning the title, you know,
one guards that's going to be the difference.

Speaker 2 (07:19):
Yeah, so that's kind of news, man. What else have
we got going on?

Speaker 1 (07:23):
I just I can't believe the drafts in two weeks.
I mean two weeks has gone fast?

Speaker 2 (07:27):
It is, you know, because it's the twenty fourth, right,
that's the Thursday. Yeah, it seems like it's a little
earlyer than usual. Probably isn't, but a little bit. It
just seems that way.

Speaker 3 (07:37):
I think it is a little bit, you know, I
think it is.

Speaker 1 (07:40):
I always think about it because my wife's birthday.

Speaker 6 (07:42):
Birthday is the twenty third, so I'm always like, oh God,
one of these years is going to happen. But we've
been far out and it hasn't really even but this
is the first year we were one.

Speaker 3 (07:50):
Day now, Mike, is that going to cause problems? Can
I add into the AMA, Mike? If if if the
draft the first time, the draft falls on fortune three, yeah,
that be an issue.

Speaker 1 (08:02):
And I'll plan ahead policy it coming and then.

Speaker 3 (08:04):
You can't get more trouble than I did.

Speaker 1 (08:06):
So as long as you remember it. I think that's
that's the big piece of it.

Speaker 3 (08:09):
That's probably the more important that. The more important thing is,
you know, actually remembering sometimes you got to work.

Speaker 1 (08:14):
What are you gonna do? Yeah, but the beast came
out to Fred. I don't know if you've if you've
had the printer working.

Speaker 2 (08:19):
Up stairs that I've been, didn't know it came out yet.
I didn't shoot.

Speaker 3 (08:26):
The positional pages.

Speaker 1 (08:28):
That's all the ranks you can. Well, you just need
your you need your arm lengths. And yeah I did.

Speaker 3 (08:32):
I did print out because I told you another developing opinion.
I'm going with Walker you are, yeah.

Speaker 1 (08:39):
Jayleen Traymon Wan really yeah, Michael Williamson, Huh what are
you saying?

Speaker 3 (08:45):
Jenkker?

Speaker 1 (08:50):
Fred?

Speaker 3 (08:51):
Because I printed it out solely for the purpose of
getting a little bit more acclimated with the guy. And
I was like, I don't even know his name.

Speaker 1 (08:57):
I think I'll get the draft fatigue is what it is.

Speaker 6 (08:59):
I like, I spent putting out our putting out our
big boards today, so going through all those and you know,
this is year fifteen.

Speaker 1 (09:05):
I've been doing that, so that's exciting.

Speaker 2 (09:07):
You're fifteen.

Speaker 3 (09:08):
Yeah, he's only been here for four years.

Speaker 2 (09:10):
That's like ten of them he did just because he
wanted it, just for fun, folks.

Speaker 7 (09:13):
I like the draft.

Speaker 2 (09:14):
I have a big war.

Speaker 3 (09:16):
It's just like you know, nineteen eighty four when I
faked being sick so I could stay home and watch
the draft.

Speaker 6 (09:23):
I missed the old draft. I mean that gets into
something else. But we talked about before. I just love
that Saturday Sunday.

Speaker 1 (09:28):
That was great. I love those full days.

Speaker 3 (09:30):
And oh god, they're the worst down I'll tell you
this is much better.

Speaker 1 (09:34):
Oh yeah, I'm sure. I'm sure it is from like
an actual Like I have a job now, but.

Speaker 3 (09:39):
You work, like Thursday and Friday. Those are work days, right,
You work on those days. Yes, they're later days than
they normally are, but I work on Thursday. So it's
not nothing, you know, it's nothing out of the ordinary.
Working your entire Saturday and Sunday in the middle of
the off season is not what I'm looking to do.

Speaker 2 (09:54):
I remember, back in the old days with the old stadium,
the media press room for the draft in like the club.
You know, the club was one room and literally the
coaches and personnel were like a bathroom in a hallway away,
making all their picks. So they just walk over and
it was just wild. I remember the year that they

(10:17):
picked Christian Peters, and so they picked this guy, he's
alignment and shortly after somebody faxes over all this information
about Christian Peters. Well, actually that happened afterwards. But so
we're sitting there and Myra Craft is sitting in the
war room. She's just hanging out doing the New York
Times crossword and they picked Christian Peters. And one of

(10:39):
the media go up to her with one of the
draft guides and said, this is who they just picked,
and it's got all the things. And so she gets
up and she walks over and you know, to find
Robert And I said to our PR guy at the time,
it wasn't stage. They said, just so you know, Myra
just found out who Christian Peters is. And then we

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all know what happened after that. A couple of days later.

Speaker 3 (11:05):
You know, they cut him before they died that pick.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
Yeah, yeah, so but that was it was like so
much more homie back then, you know, like everyone was
just sitting around in a room. I forget the writer
for the Herald, he was kind of a nut and
he would sit there with a pen cap. Oh, Michael,
Michael going like this, And I said to one of them,
I said, what is he doing? He goes hot the

(11:29):
other ship?

Speaker 3 (11:30):
You know?

Speaker 2 (11:31):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (11:32):
Oh yeah, Michael Gy was a He was an odd person,
like an eccentric personnelity.

Speaker 2 (11:38):
Yeah, comes from money, right.

Speaker 3 (11:40):
Come from a lot of money. Yeah, but a gifted writer.
Just different, different cats. It was one of my guys.
I got along great with them. I got along except
for the people that matter.

Speaker 2 (11:51):
But he would sit there and just go like this
with a pen Caphi. Yeah, that's how he contacts the mothership.
So but those were the days. It was a lot different.
It was really a lot different than it is now.

Speaker 1 (12:05):
It's a whole production now.

Speaker 2 (12:06):
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Speaker 1 (12:50):
So an Easter, Well, I was just gonna say, no,
we don't.

Speaker 6 (12:54):
I think my wife she said this year is the
year she kind of wants to do away with Easter baskets.

Speaker 1 (12:58):
The boys are out now.

Speaker 6 (13:00):
Twelve and seventeen, and I think we're I think we're
done with it with I think.

Speaker 2 (13:05):
East Easter candy is some of the worst candy there is.
Those marshmallow eggs, Oh.

Speaker 3 (13:10):
Yeah, those are those cats, cadberry eggs. Oh those are relief.

Speaker 2 (13:15):
Yeah those are something. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (13:17):
I like the peanut butter cup eggs.

Speaker 6 (13:19):
Yeah, a little thicker, yeah yeah.

Speaker 3 (13:24):
And we're off the rails.

Speaker 2 (13:25):
I'm going up to the yakaba in Oh, well, we
do that every year.

Speaker 3 (13:29):
Look at you for Easter.

Speaker 2 (13:31):
They have a good buffetney it's a buffet just going to.

Speaker 6 (13:35):
We u sedee the honey baked ham. That was the
big Easter brunch thing we do in my house.

Speaker 2 (13:39):
But yeah, anymore, all right, we're actually waiting for our guests,
and while we do, we might as well open up
the phone lines. Uh, Mitch is calling in from Georgia.
What's up, Mitch? Yes, all right, first time, long time.

Speaker 8 (13:56):
I got two things and I don't take it off
the air.

Speaker 9 (13:58):
One to respond to what something?

Speaker 8 (14:00):
Paul? You mentioned a couple of weeks ago about the
Julian Edelman. Everyone loves them Wes Welker, and one has
a bad taste in their mouth because they never want
a shoot Bowl and he had that job. I think
that's fair. I've been Championships matter a lot in football,
and if you look at someone like a Donovan McNabb
for like the Eagles, great career, really good statistics, never

(14:22):
won at all, they probably value someone like Nick Foles
more because if you're a fan those championships, well.

Speaker 3 (14:28):
I think they're very similar players. I would value those
two guys very similarly because I don't think either one
of them was very good. I don't think he played,
but he played. I mean he was the longtime starter,
but he wasn't very good. Yeah, he was on great
teams with a great coach.

Speaker 2 (14:46):
That's debt.

Speaker 9 (14:46):
If you didn't project out Drake May's career over the
next ten years, and he either puts up the all
world numbers like Patrick Mahome level numbers, but we never
won a title, or he's nothing more than like a
Brad Johnson, but we win a title. Which one would
you rather have?

Speaker 2 (15:03):
Hey, Yeah, I mean it's it's the Marino thing. Marino
had amazing numbers and he deserves to be in halls
of fans.

Speaker 3 (15:10):
Rather have a great, great quarterback. I'll find a way
to win.

Speaker 2 (15:13):
Yeah, but we should mention.

Speaker 3 (15:15):
It rather than have to hope that I win despite
my quarterback. I'm not, you know, like the way you're
you're you're putting it, Mitch. You have to take the
title because it's a guarantee. But I you know, I
just would push back a little bit, like I'll take
my chances with a great quarterback for ten years as
opposed to hoping my quarterback doesn't screw it up for
ten years and I find a way to win once.

Speaker 2 (15:35):
Thanks Mitch. Appreciate the call, but just reminds me voting
is open. Yes for the Patriots Hall of Fame.

Speaker 3 (15:41):
Good job by Mitch by bringing that up.

Speaker 2 (15:43):
Thanks Mitch. The three nominees are Adam VNITII, Julian Edelman,
and Logan Mogan. Megan's personally, I voted for Adam VANITII.
I don't know about you guys.

Speaker 3 (15:55):
I voted for Adam VENTITII as well. I actually one
of the three I voted for it didn't even make
the ballot again for the third year in a row.

Speaker 1 (16:03):
Boker yep.

Speaker 2 (16:04):
Wes Weckler, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (16:05):
I voted for Vinitary, Mankins and Welker. And I just
banging my head against the wall. I can get.

Speaker 2 (16:13):
The most post I saw from a Patriot fan backs
up what Paul's al was saying, and he's like, it's
a tough one, but I'm gonna have to go with
that on them, you know.

Speaker 1 (16:24):
Well, plus that's got a podcast, and.

Speaker 3 (16:27):
Julian Edelman is a lock and he was stone cold
lock Patriots Hall of Famer and should be right. So
I'm not that this isn't what I'm making fun of anybody.
I mean, he would be fear that out of those
four guys he would be fourth on my list. Yeah,
fourth most deserving. Now, Mitch just made a very compelling

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argument as to why he would think differently with the titles.
I think titles are circumstantial. I think Randy Moss was
a better player than Julian Edelman, but Randy Moss to
win a title.

Speaker 2 (16:59):
If you took n Harry and Edelman titles now, are
cancel each other out because they both.

Speaker 3 (17:03):
Have h Yeah no, but I'm just saying that matters
to to some people. It doesn't matter to me. To me,
the play is what should matter unless the guy is
like a bad guy. That's like, that's a different argument.
But I'm talking about two really really good patriots. One
one you know, a couple of titles and one didn't.
But if one of them was a really you know,
it was a better player, right like Logan Mankett is

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a better player in my view.

Speaker 1 (17:27):
It's really hard. I mean, you put it on the fans.

Speaker 6 (17:29):
You have to be willing to live with the results
of what they saw, and we have recency bias, and
with Edelman getting in at them and still being in
the spotlight. I voted for Adam Venitary too. I just
think that he deserves to be in there. It's almost
like a you know, a seniority thing.

Speaker 1 (17:45):
To vote already I did, did you online?

Speaker 2 (17:47):
Well look at that.

Speaker 3 (17:48):
It's a quick vote.

Speaker 1 (17:49):
I gotta get I gotta vote from my guy.

Speaker 2 (17:52):
Yeah, I mean, you know, like like Pluss, both Adam
and Julian are locks. But I think now it comes
down to order of operation, and I think vinitaries might
get into the Pro Football Hall of Fame and we
kind of dodged a bullet. Now we have a chance
to get him into the Patriots Hall of Fame before
that happens. So let's take advantage of that. And next

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year Julian will be nominated again, I'm sure, and uh,
you know, we can get in next year, although Ronck's
going to be there.

Speaker 3 (18:20):
The three guys on the ballot this year, to me,
you're all I don't think have anything to worry about
in the long term of getting in. But Fred's right,
the order of operations matters, and the clock is ticking
because I think Gronk is up next year. You could
be within another year after that you could get Bill
involved and all of.

Speaker 1 (18:39):
A sudden, Adams. This is why I'm.

Speaker 3 (18:41):
Looking at like Adam and Wes Welker and Logan Mankins.
Oh yeah, no, that they'll get in. They'll get in.
If you tell me they're going to get in, I'll
believe you. But it's not as easy as you think.

Speaker 1 (18:52):
Being finalists next year, that would that would be kind
of fun.

Speaker 3 (18:54):
When you only pick one a year, You just what
do you think's going to go?

Speaker 2 (18:58):
The two of them are up. Yeah, I mean, no
one ever said that Edelmans might be the greatest wide
receiver of all time.

Speaker 1 (19:06):
Right now, but Edelman. I mean it's such.

Speaker 2 (19:09):
Although who do you think was more instrumental in winning
Super Bowls? Edelman?

Speaker 3 (19:14):
Ron Well didn't play. But this is all depends on
how you look at the map. I think that's what
Mike is starting to formulate, like the games themselves, you know,
Like Edelman was an m v P in the last
Super Bowl they won. He was the best player in
the field in that game. I don't think they win
the game. I wasn't probably as the best That catch

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at the end you set up the only touchdown with
an unbelievable play, you know. And I think Gronk's presence
allows a lot of other things to happen that I
can't quantify, but I believe and feel. I think that
again that these guys were splitting hairs because I think
they're all Hall of famers and I don't really think

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there's an argument against Julian Edelman or Logan Mankins. No, no, no,
he's not a Hall of Famer. I don't think there's
an argument for that. They're all Hall of famers, just
a matter of who gets in first.

Speaker 1 (20:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (20:06):
I think of the third down catches Edelman had against
the Seahawks and Super Bowl forty nine, on those two drives,
that catches he had against Kansas City in the AFC
Championship in twenty eight team where.

Speaker 2 (20:15):
What did Josh?

Speaker 1 (20:16):
What did Josh again?

Speaker 3 (20:18):
It's like I just think that it kind of gets misremembered.

Speaker 6 (20:22):
It's it just makes it's what makes Edelman special in
a way. I think he was, you know, in some
ways he was the opposite of Welker. They both had
great regular seasons and had I volumes to catches Welker
have more. But when the game was on the line,
Edelman had the catch of the fingertips right off the
ground and the taking the huge hit from Cam Chancellor.
Remembering all those moments that.

Speaker 3 (20:40):
I would just argue that they overcame his drops and
they didn't overcome Welker's. That to me is the difference.

Speaker 6 (20:49):
I remember a lot of Edelman drops I only remember
one Welker, Yeah, I mean, so it takes and I remember,
I remember Edelman drops in the suit.

Speaker 3 (20:55):
I remember Edelman drops in the Atlanta super Bowl, you know,
during the course of the game. But only people remember
because they won. And you know, Welker getting ten for
one hundred and three in Super Bowl forty two, no
one remembers why because they lost.

Speaker 1 (21:09):
Yeah, he would have been the MVP probably.

Speaker 3 (21:11):
You know, like it's unfair, but that's life.

Speaker 1 (21:14):
That's all it were.

Speaker 6 (21:15):
And that's what it just makes me sad a little bit,
is that that Wes Welker, that was so much fun
in two thousand and seven when you got this guy
who looks like he's five foot seven, he's got these
crazy eyes.

Speaker 2 (21:25):
And you're like, who's this guy like?

Speaker 3 (21:27):
And he was so good, he was uncoverable.

Speaker 1 (21:29):
There was so much special about him.

Speaker 3 (21:30):
It's just in six seasons he had more catches, for
more yards, for more touchdowns than edel Manhaddan eleven. Right.

Speaker 2 (21:37):
And the thing about Welker is it's not only was
he a chain mover, hard to cover, exact route runner.
He wasn't a guy like uh uh, you know, one
of those smaller receivers that would drop to the ground
as soon as he called no break tackles. He was
a strong guy up too, but I mean yards after cat.

Speaker 3 (21:59):
But I would say the same for Edelman, like always.
Edelman was tough, tough with the ball in his hands
after the catch too. But both great punt returners, Like
they're both like to me this, I don't really know
why that there would be a question for either one,
but evidently there is a question on welcome because I
can't even get him.

Speaker 1 (22:13):
To the ballot.

Speaker 3 (22:14):
Yeah, I feel like I've just dropped the ball, like
and I didn't. I didn't even I wasn't the one
who nominated him this year. I have nominated him past.
Karen Grigian did a great job of nominating West this year,
and we can't get him on the ballot. I I
don't know. I'm not sure what was supposed to do.
But I mean, this is this is what makes it fun,

(22:36):
you know, when it gets to this and now now
the fans will decide which one of those three guys,
all extremely deserving candidates. Vinitari would be my top choice.
It would be in that order, vinitary Mankins, Edelman.

Speaker 6 (22:48):
But are you worried about Mankins because I worry that
he's gonna get caught up in the wash of the Edelmans,
the Gronks, the Bills, the tom not the Thoms, but.

Speaker 3 (22:58):
That, yeah, I think he'll be of hall Off get
in eventually. I worry about Welker because we can't even
get him on the ballot. At least Mankin's been on
the ballot a couple of times. These three times, I
think on the ballot.

Speaker 2 (23:08):
Mike and Flora wanted a quick question, if it was
only Welker versus Edelman, who would you put in?

Speaker 3 (23:12):
I would put in Welker, But my guess is the
vast majority of you people, as Felker likes to say,
would put in Edelman. And I don't think you're wrong,
Like this isn't I get snarky a lot. This isn't
one of those examples where I'm being snarky. I'm not.
You know. This isn't like, oh, they put Kevin falk
in you know ahead of you know? No, this is

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this is a truly all time great patriot.

Speaker 2 (23:36):
Tyler and Delaware is the voting structured for to allow
us multiple votes. I was concerned that this may sway
and overtake the polls on this I think it should
only be one vote per site. Visit with a login
or email, you may run into people's spamming votes for
a certain player. I love the show, Thanks for the guy.
Blah blah blah. I tried to vote multiple times, but

(23:56):
it said you've come to your limit for this IP address.

Speaker 3 (24:00):
So what is that like? Ten?

Speaker 2 (24:02):
No? No, it was twice. Oh yeah, but that said
if I went to another place, on another computer, I
would probably be able to vote again because there is
no logging, which.

Speaker 3 (24:13):
Fred explained system. I think that much too.

Speaker 2 (24:17):
I think overall it all comes out in the wash.
But here is Evan speaking of washed. Oh I'm only.

Speaker 10 (24:25):
So because I don't think I was ever. What's the
opposite of wash?

Speaker 2 (24:29):
How was that?

Speaker 3 (24:32):
It was good?

Speaker 10 (24:32):
Yeah, we talked to it was James Bradberry Garrett brad Barrow,
which was a good seems like a good guy. Seems
like a a personality of talking and pretty lengthy answers
and thoughtful answers and just an all around good guy.
Had some good things to say about Stefan Diggs, who
obviously was with him in Minnesota for a little while,

(24:55):
and uh, Drake may and and just playing some competitive
ping pong already with Drake. It sounds like around the facility,
so you can tell that he understands that, you know,
the relationship between the two of them quarterback center is
going to be important. So it seems like they're trying
on and off the field to kind of build that

(25:16):
camaraderie already, which is which is good.

Speaker 3 (25:18):
I liked what he had to say.

Speaker 10 (25:19):
It seemed like a pretty personable guy.

Speaker 2 (25:21):
Okay, Yeah, how was Antonio Gibson.

Speaker 10 (25:24):
Oh, we haven't gotten to Gibson yet, but I've had
my chance to talk to Gibson plenty. But yeah, he's uh.

Speaker 1 (25:31):
You know quick.

Speaker 10 (25:33):
Yeah, I just hung out for brad Berry. He which
was which was worth? It was good?

Speaker 2 (25:37):
Okay, sounds good. Back to this Hall of Fame thing, Ellen, Wisconsin.
I'm voting for Jewels. To me, it's who embodies being
a patriot. To me, that's Jewels. I think that Macan's
and Minitary both deserve it. But at the end of
the day, one is a guard and the other is
a kicker who spent more time on the Colts. I
hear that. I've heard the Colts. That's but here's the thing.

(25:59):
The reason why Vinitarry was up for the Pro Football
Hall of Fame is because of what he did here,
let's face it, it's because of what he did as
a Patriot. I know he won a Super Bowl with
the Colts, but what makes Adam vin Arry the most
clutch kicker of all time is the stuff that he
did with the Patriots.

Speaker 3 (26:17):
I would agree with that, but I think if his
career ended when he left the New England, I don't
think he'd be up for the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
I think the numbers out of really he put he's
the all time leading scorer, like he put the numbers
away with longevity too, So you don't think like what
you said is accurate. The clutch part. He's known as
being the greatest clutch kicker because of what he did

(26:38):
as a Patriot's I think indisputable. As you didn't see it, really,
but you heard Fred and I heard it from the
opposite end zone. We seriously couldn't see it, like it
went up and we lost it. Remember, But because I
went the opposite end zone, we were standing in the

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other end zone.

Speaker 2 (27:00):
We just heard people yellings like we just heard the
roar of the crowd, just we're going over time?

Speaker 3 (27:05):
Was he kicking into the scoreboard end or the no
no the other end the video.

Speaker 5 (27:10):
That you can vote two times per day on the whole.

Speaker 3 (27:12):
I would tell you how you, Matt, I would tell
you the south end zone, but.

Speaker 5 (27:15):
I went Master wants to know you can vote two
times a day for the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 2 (27:18):
Two times a day times like why, why why do
we allow that?

Speaker 3 (27:24):
This is your department for it? I don't know why
he's asking me these questions.

Speaker 2 (27:28):
Uh Nick writes in speaking of how tough Welker is.
I remember when James Harrison absolutely destroyed him going over
the middle, and I thought he'd die, and then two
plays later he's back in the game. Of course, that
was back in the day when helmet the helmet hits
were not banned. If that happened today, Harrison might be
in jail.

Speaker 1 (27:45):
There were a few of those hits over the course
of Wes Welker's career that I just I don't know
how he got out.

Speaker 3 (27:49):
And like that one that Edelman took from Chancellor you
brought you brought up earlier? Is another one like that?
Those two guys tough nails. Yeah. Yeah, it made them
unique in that role because that role is generally a
very short term position. Because of that, because you're constantly
going over the middle and subjected to big hits, those
two guys were able to to stack up season after

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season of production while taking that punishment.

Speaker 2 (28:14):
Ian in Calcutta Patriots Hall of Fame isn't necessarily the
best player, but also the best Patriot. I agree with that.

Speaker 3 (28:19):
I agree with it.

Speaker 2 (28:20):
Also, Edalman easily gets the edge for by being a
lifetime Patriot, unfair to the others. As it may be,
lifetime Patriots should get preferential treatment.

Speaker 3 (28:29):
I think there's something I don't I don't like that now,
that reasoning, but I do like his original premise or
her I'm sorry, yeah, forget who I think.

Speaker 2 (28:38):
I think there is something different about a team hall
of Fame.

Speaker 3 (28:41):
Team hall of Fame doesn't necessarily go strictly by the talent,
but I don't. In other words, I don't blame Wes
Welker for the fact that he started his career in Miami.
That's you know, and then the Patriots recognized how good
he was and they brought him here, and that's where
he became Wes Welker, like, I don't hold that against him,
and certainly mank it's his situation. I don't hold against
me what Adams.

Speaker 2 (29:02):
Rick and Rhode island. Edelman gets the vote over Welker
based on the video of Belichick talking to Welker about
Wally Pip when Edelman was returning punts with Welker out.

Speaker 3 (29:13):
Exactly songs song as we're using good Life.

Speaker 2 (29:15):
Well, listen, Welker wasn't always Bill Belichick's favorite player because Welker.

Speaker 1 (29:21):
Was little Soldiers.

Speaker 2 (29:22):
Yeah, he was a sneaky wise guy, not that sneaky. Yeah.

Speaker 10 (29:28):
I just I know that when we talked about the
committee meeting and even before the committee meeting, that this
was potentially something that would come up, that Edelman is
going to beat Vinitari on a popular vote. And I
feel like, very early, very small sample size on Twitter,
I get that, but it kind of feels like that's

(29:49):
sort of happening, like at least out of the gate,
and I'm curious to see if that's truly what ends
up happening. I think that Edelman's popularity is just through
the charts, and and I know that you know his
podcast I'm sure is going to be all over this,
and he's probably gonna have, you know, be campaigning for
himself through his podcast. Even if it's you know, tongue

(30:09):
in cheek, it's still going to be happy happening.

Speaker 3 (30:11):
He tweeted earlier, A great company. You know. He retweeted
the graphic with the three I just like I have
the I understand the mentality of you know, the Patriots
Hall of Fame is difference, not like strictly I do
wonder about what Evan just said though, about the popularity
side of it. Like I I think if if this
was done, like saying, in like the late eighties, like

(30:34):
MOSTI Tatupu would be in the Hall of Fame. There
was no Patriot that he would have gone in the
Hall of Fame ahead of Andre Tippett if it was
like nineteen eighty eight vote because he was like the
most popular Patriot.

Speaker 1 (30:42):
At the time. He was my favorite Patriot growing up.

Speaker 3 (30:44):
You know, Most's Moose's in, you know, in the end zone.

Speaker 2 (30:47):
Like I didn't know what real winning looked like back.

Speaker 3 (30:49):
But I'm just saying, like the popularity side of it,
I shouldn't be grow determine it, you.

Speaker 10 (30:54):
Know, Yeah, I just I feel like if we don't
go in order, then this log jam is never gonna
We're never gonna get out of the log jam because
guys like Military are going to be pushed down the
line by Edelman and Gronkowski and you know any twenty
tens dynasty guys that start to come up too. So
it's like, if you don't go in order, then you're

(31:16):
creating a Rabel situation where it takes some five ballots,
you know, to finally right.

Speaker 3 (31:22):
I mean, you could get a situation, not a stretch
where whoever doesn't get in this year, like it's gonna
be Gronk next year. You know, McCarty's knocking on the door,
Belichick's knocking on the door, Matthew Slater's knocking on the door.
You know, a guy like Mankins could be waiting a
decade and be on the ballot every every single time.

(31:44):
That could happen. Easy Bill in because it's popularity.

Speaker 2 (31:49):
Bill in San Diego. I agree with you guys at
welcome belongs to the Patriots Hall of Fame. Personally, I
think he belongs in the Pro Football Hall of Fame,
especially if players like Terrell Davis are in his six
years in a Patrier his uniform, or as good as
just about any wide receivers six consecutive years on any team.
As for getting into the Patriots Hall of Fame, the
two ways I see it happening are either Brady comes

(32:10):
out and adamantly says he belongs, which is highly unlikely,
or Craft makes an owner's pick all parcels. Well, that's
that's kind of what we're worried about. When it comes
to Welker.

Speaker 6 (32:23):
I'm interested about how Bill will go with I mean,
I'm sure the fans will definitely vote Bill in, but
what's I.

Speaker 2 (32:30):
Think Bill should be a special one, just like Tom was.
I mean, technically Bill still coaching, so I don't think
he should be eligible yet, but once he's done coaching, period,
I think he should be eligible.

Speaker 1 (32:44):
Yeah, I feel like he wouldn't you think?

Speaker 3 (32:46):
I think Bill should be eligible if he never if
he never goes back to the NFL, I think, whatever
he does in college.

Speaker 2 (32:52):
But you can't, like he has to guarantee that, like
he has to tell me I'm never going back to
the NFL. Okay, now the clock's ticking.

Speaker 10 (32:57):
Well, it's kind of like Tom playing in Tampa, Like
you could and putty in the Patriots.

Speaker 3 (33:02):
Why do we not make anybody else make that promise?
And what why didn't we make anybody else make that
promise that they weren't coming back.

Speaker 2 (33:08):
Because we're changing eligibility for that one person. We're saying
we're not gonna wait four years.

Speaker 3 (33:13):
No no, no, But like, how do you know that someone
else isn't going to come back.

Speaker 2 (33:16):
Because we've waited four years and probably they're not.

Speaker 3 (33:18):
Oh, I'm not saying that you don't wait four years
for Bill.

Speaker 2 (33:20):
If I'm saying you don't.

Speaker 3 (33:22):
But I'm saying, if he coaches North Carolina for the
next three years, I'm putting him in the Patriots Hall
of Fame.

Speaker 2 (33:27):
Really.

Speaker 3 (33:28):
Yeah, he's still coaching though, but he's not coaching in
the NFL.

Speaker 2 (33:31):
I know, But like he's one step away from it. No,
he hasn't like stopped.

Speaker 3 (33:36):
He hasn't coaching for four years.

Speaker 2 (33:38):
You know what I mean. It's a little different, don't
you think?

Speaker 3 (33:41):
Not to me? But I understand.

Speaker 1 (33:43):
Yeah, she you know, and she got Bill miked up.

Speaker 2 (33:45):
A little bitting the content nows koniefa. Who's who's uh?
Who was over there?

Speaker 1 (33:51):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (33:52):
Jordan's no, No, there was a little little something a.

Speaker 3 (33:56):
Rapper, Lil Wayne.

Speaker 1 (33:57):
Lil Wayne was a rapper.

Speaker 2 (34:03):
Little Wayne was practice.

Speaker 10 (34:07):
Yeah, I did see that they're close contact a rapper,
you know they're close.

Speaker 2 (34:15):
Yeah, Andrew's important? What's up? Andrews too much?

Speaker 3 (34:20):
Thanks? Like my call.

Speaker 4 (34:21):
I have two things for you today.

Speaker 8 (34:23):
Question on abdual Carter.

Speaker 11 (34:24):
I feel like he is our ideal landing spot at
for if we can get him. Uh like a bit
of a pipe dream all the time, and now with
the traps partner going to the giants already having care
of you, like that.

Speaker 4 (34:39):
Might actually give up. I just have a question about
the character concern.

Speaker 11 (34:44):
I heard a story about an incident on like a bus,
but there's an altercation that.

Speaker 10 (34:51):
He had hurt.

Speaker 2 (34:51):
What actually happened, Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (34:53):
I started with a truck like three years ago, a
year ago.

Speaker 2 (34:57):
Yeah, I don't know if I got into it with
a tow truck.

Speaker 3 (35:00):
Don't know about the bust story.

Speaker 10 (35:01):
I don't know about the story is the is the
tow truck driver? That's a hard one. Yeah, that that's
the that's the story with him. But I mean the
charges were dropped, like it never escalated beyond that. I
don't know it's not it's not like a situation that's
currently active, you know, in terms of his you know status.

Speaker 3 (35:23):
Let's hope it causes him default. I'll take him. I'll
make him a.

Speaker 2 (35:26):
Think about if Paul was eligible for the draft, all
the red flags about confrontations that he's had, toys, r us,
all that stuff, it would all come out.

Speaker 3 (35:35):
I would say, is good luck finding a confrontation in
my past.

Speaker 2 (35:38):
Youth youth sports.

Speaker 1 (35:41):
They find that spot on Route nine?

Speaker 3 (35:42):
Cops? Cops?

Speaker 12 (35:45):
Did he like publication?

Speaker 10 (35:48):
There's a on a serious note, Uh, you know, back
to Bob McGinn, had you know, his annual position by
position round up where he digs up all the dirt.
And we were joking yesterday on Catch twenty two. You
don't want Bob McGinn calling around about your client if
you're an agent, right, Like he's the one. He's a reporter.

(36:11):
He was with Green Bay for a very long time,
or covering the Packers for a very long time, and
he's like the grim Reaper when it comes to the draft.
So uh, he he said that, you know, there are
some concerns about Abdul Carter being high maintenance and just
being kind of a diva.

Speaker 3 (36:26):
I've heard that, but yeah, but again.

Speaker 10 (36:29):
Is McGinn, you know, reporting this, but that that has
been more of it than legal trouble or anything truly
off the fields, more like football character questions like Monday
through Saturday. Is this guy going to be in the gym,
in the weight room, in the film room. Is he
going to be doing you know, working on his craft
or is he kind of just one of those people

(36:49):
that's going to show up on Sundays and be a star.
Which I would say, well, if he's going to be
a star, then he's going to be a star.

Speaker 3 (36:57):
But your boy, you mentioned the visit a dual Carter
that Albert Breer talked about. He spoke about Carter a
little bit in these terms that he's just he's kind
of a different guy and it's not all that different
from some other elite passport. He mentioned Micah Parsons, he
mentioned Von Miller. Different, just kind of the they're on

(37:18):
the wrong they do. Like I think the phrase that
Breer used was, I wouldn't expect him to be a
captain of a team someday. He's kind of does keeps
to himself and you know a little bit of a
you know that kind of an individual guy, not that
that he doesn't want to win, but that he's sort
of into his past rush and being great at that

(37:39):
and not necessarily.

Speaker 2 (37:40):
I don't know. I think Will Campbell is going to
be the fourth pick for the NFL draft. I kind
of thin and I'm all in on it.

Speaker 1 (37:50):
Yeah, let's go.

Speaker 2 (37:51):
Let's go.

Speaker 3 (37:52):
We'll get some answer to the draft coming up. Now,
we'll find out from from the inside.

Speaker 2 (37:56):
Yeah, so I think, Oh, listen, we got maybe a visitor.
What's happening for what's up?

Speaker 13 (38:13):
Have a welcome, all right, we're talking about Howard don't counter,
so welcome to pictures filtered hunter.

Speaker 2 (38:24):
All right, So how's the workouts going? Do you feel?
Did you get Jack this morning?

Speaker 7 (38:30):
To trying my best man, trying my best trying you know,
the workouts are good though.

Speaker 1 (38:35):
It's good.

Speaker 2 (38:37):
Are you kind of guy who I can't wait for
the season to start or you know what I need?
We need this time to get ready, Like we can
take our time here.

Speaker 14 (38:47):
I like this time because it's a little bit more relaxed.
It's you know, a little bit slower, you know, a
slower pace, but kids.

Speaker 3 (38:55):
To like build connections with guys.

Speaker 7 (38:56):
A little bit more off the field.

Speaker 14 (38:57):
You know, you're not just like diving in the game
plans and everything. So it's it's a pretty cool time.

Speaker 6 (39:02):
Yeah, I got a question for you, and I don't
know if you can answer this yet. You've had different
offensive coordinator pretty much ever you've been here.

Speaker 1 (39:09):
To get Josh back.

Speaker 6 (39:10):
I think everybody's wondering what did Josh learn, what's going
to be different. I'm sure you probably don't even know yet,
but do you have any sense are you curious of
what's Josh gonna what's changed from when he was here
in twenty twenty one.

Speaker 7 (39:20):
I mean, Josh is going to be Josh man.

Speaker 14 (39:23):
It's it's hard to say right now, you know, it's
it's so early. But I'm excited to have Josh here.
You know, he's a tremendous mind. Offensively enjoyed being with
him at twenty one, so again, excited to kind of
get that ball rolling again and kind of dive in
an offense and really trying to master things. I think
that's the biggest thing with everything, you know, just trying

(39:43):
to you know, execute everything at a high level, because
you know, he's a great coach and demand's a lot
and excited to be under him again.

Speaker 3 (39:51):
You never asked him about his fascination with the visor.

Speaker 7 (39:54):
With the advisor, I haven't I have it.

Speaker 3 (39:56):
Maybe y'all should ask him that any chance to throw
it all with with Drake? May you know during and
I know it hasn't been a long off season because
you're just getting back, but yeah, you know, have you
guys had any of those plans? Maybe?

Speaker 14 (40:09):
Yeah, well, I mean we'll get plenty. We're gonna get
plenty for sure.

Speaker 4 (40:12):
Uh.

Speaker 14 (40:13):
You know, Drake's Drake's a great guy, great quarterback. So
there will be a lot of throwing sessions in our future,
a lot of you know, connections and time spent in
the meeting room and then also on the field. So
excited for those times.

Speaker 2 (40:26):
So when you're sitting at home and the Patriots of
making all these free agent acquisitions, are you thinking, I
can't wait to meet these guys and have you and
you know, is there anyone that in particular like he's
like this guy's cool?

Speaker 3 (40:41):
Man?

Speaker 7 (40:41):
I'm glad to add everybody. I haven't been able to
meet everyone yet.

Speaker 14 (40:45):
You know, it's kind of chaotic, a little bit which
all over the place, you know, splitting workouts, just doing
a lot. But yeah, I met all the guys on
the offense for sure, and excited to always add at people.
You know, I feel like we did a good job
of adding just like good football players, but also just
good people too, And we're going to add a lot
to our locker room.

Speaker 3 (41:03):
So looking forward to that.

Speaker 1 (41:04):
Sure.

Speaker 10 (41:05):
Just how exciting is that, you know, to see them
bring in all these people kind of reminds me when
you got here in twenty one, when you came in
with a big free agency class, Like does that reinvigorate
the locker room a little bit?

Speaker 14 (41:16):
I mean, it's always good to add good football players,
like I said, you know, and hopefully they can add that.
But you know, we have a lot of work we
got to put in together for sure. You know, we
got to come together as a team, We got to
come together as a locker room, and you know we
got to go out there and execute. So you know,
we have a long road ahead of us. But it's
it's fun to always add good football players in the

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locker room and excited to get to work with those guys.

Speaker 1 (41:40):
They brought Hooper back to teammate. How you guys compliment
each other? Good to have a guy back.

Speaker 14 (41:45):
Yeah, I mean, I love who man. I really enjoyed
my time just in the room with him on the field.
You know, we communicate really well. I mean we're the
same draft class, so same age. Man, We've known each
other for so long. To actually play with each other
last year was just such a joy and excited to
kind of build upon that this next year.

Speaker 2 (42:02):
So hut.

Speaker 3 (42:02):
I wanted to ask you your your new coach used
to talk about this all the time when he was
a player, because you know, Fred and I are one
hundred years old. We've been around long enough that he
was playing when we were still covering. He used to
always watch the draft and he wasn't alone. Larry Gizzel
used to talk about this, and they just like cross
off the names of the guys at their position. Do
you ever look at the draft and say, oh, you know,

(42:23):
Tyler Warren, we don't need him slide.

Speaker 14 (42:27):
Do you ever watch the draft back in that way?
I don't know if I watch it that way. You know,
I always love seeing success for the tight end position.

Speaker 11 (42:34):
Man.

Speaker 14 (42:34):
I feel like it's a little underappreciated, maybe sometimes in
the draft because I feel like when teams have a
good tight end. They're usually a good football team, so
I always just you know, I appreciate the tight end position.
I feel like there's a lot of good tight ends
coming out this year and so I don't know if
I watched it that way for sure, but you know,
there there's a lot of good ones. You know, if

(42:56):
we add one, that would be great. We'd love to
have him under my wing and teach him as much
as I can, because I had had a great guy
when I came in the league, and Antonio Gates, and
he taught me a ton and really took me under
his wing, and you know I was I'm very, very
thankful for that.

Speaker 2 (43:08):
I want you to talk about your trip to Africa
because you took that with your wife during the off season.
But first we have a Claire from England who is
like our biggest fan of tight ends. Yeah, I love
it ends and hello everyone, Helloveren I have to I
have to introduce her emails that way, and hello to
the fabulous Hunter Henry big fan. With the landscape of

(43:30):
the sport changing just within the space of your career,
what is the biggest difference that you feel impacts how
you play your position as tight end.

Speaker 14 (43:39):
Oh man, how the landscape of football.

Speaker 2 (43:42):
Yeah, like you know, like how the offense has changed
or rules have changed.

Speaker 14 (43:47):
Man, I've gotten a lot of protection now, which is
nice over the middle of the field a little bit.

Speaker 3 (43:51):
So maybe that is that could be a nice thing
for me.

Speaker 14 (43:54):
Obviously the game it became a lot of a passing
league for sure in the middle part of my career.
I think it's reverting a little bit. It's you know,
it's circling back to definitely being run oriented a little
bit so, but definitely the passing league is always good.
You know, you love trying to make plays in the
passing game, So a little bit of both. But I've
always tried to be a guy that can be versatile

(44:16):
in the way of being a you know, a value
in the run game and a value in the past
game and trying to take pride in both of those things.
So I think that is always needed in this league,
and it's it's can be hard to find sometimes I
wouldn't say, I mean lead in the in the blocking realm,
but I you know, I try to take pride in
it and really really do a good job at it.
And so I think being a versatile tied end and

(44:39):
being able to do both is something I try to
do myself.

Speaker 2 (44:42):
How much your quarterback is mobile effect like, has that
changed how you play a little bit more?

Speaker 14 (44:48):
I mean definitely scrambled drill is a is a big
part of this league, and Drake obviously is very mobile,
and so you always have to be available and be
ready because the play can be extended and you kind
of have to keep your eyes on them, kind of
get feel for, you know, where he likes things, and
work with him because those extended plays are big plays
in this league.

Speaker 2 (45:06):
So let's talk about your trip to Africa. Why did
you go and what did you experience there?

Speaker 14 (45:11):
And yeah, yeah, it was man, it was a long
time in the making, feel like. So the first part
was a mission trip. I went with a group called
International Justice Mission. It's a group that me and my
wife have been supporting for about eight or nine years.
It's a Christian organization that fights human trafficking across the
globe and they have a headquarters office in Narobi, Kenya.

(45:35):
That's where we spent about five days. We were between
there in a town called Mambasa, which is on the coast,
and we were just meeting survivors, meeting people in the
justice centers, meeting people that do the work on the
front lines, and just the support that we've been able
to provide in a way. Just to actually see it
like in person was just honestly life changing and just

(45:57):
really really meaningful for my wife and I was. It
was really really cool to be with with that group
for a couple of days. And then we went out
kind of in the and did a safari uh for five,
five or six days. That's always been on a bucket
list of mine. So being able to kind of go
do that, see all the animals and uh, just do
that with me and my wife and then some friends

(46:18):
of ours just got the cross that off the bucket list.

Speaker 2 (46:21):
Do you have any encounters We're like, oh, this is
whatever is getting a little too close step on the
internet clips.

Speaker 15 (46:28):
It was.

Speaker 3 (46:29):
There were a few sketchy times.

Speaker 14 (46:30):
I think the first day or two, you know, we
we actually ran into some we like tracked down some
lines that like killed a buffalo and they were like
about to eat dinner and we were like this, our
driver just like pulled up on the buffalo that was
dead right there, and they were like coming over.

Speaker 2 (46:46):
To eat it.

Speaker 14 (46:47):
And we were all like, yo, like yeah, because this
is like this is an open truck, right, It's like
a wide open truck, like you could just jump out
or they could jump in. So it was it was
definitely a little bit jarring like at first, but the
driver's like, oh, don't worry, like these lines are used
to these trucks.

Speaker 1 (47:08):
They're not.

Speaker 14 (47:08):
They're like they don't even like bother us.

Speaker 1 (47:10):
In a way.

Speaker 7 (47:10):
And I was like, Okay, I put a lot of
trust in you, and sure enough.

Speaker 3 (47:15):
You know, look at me now I'm made it back.

Speaker 2 (47:17):
So how was the food?

Speaker 14 (47:19):
Food was solid? You know, African food definitely grew on me.
I don't know if it was you know, there was
there were some things maybe you don't like they're used
to Buffalo, just just some things that are different. But
you know, it's good to try new cuisines, new cultures.
So you know, I really enjoyed it with that.

Speaker 2 (47:39):
Getting back to the mission work, if there's one thing
that you'd want everybody to know indoor how they can
help or you know.

Speaker 14 (47:48):
Yeah, I mean I think the biggest thing with just
International Justice Mission and just like human trafficking in general,
is like spreading awareness and like allowing people to know
like that this is going on because and a lot
of the areas in Kenya, these people just like are
getting taken off the streets or you know, taken from

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their families. Sometimes the families are selling the kids. It's terrible,
terrible things to the you know, in these communities that
are so poor and so ridden, and there's a lot
of people that don't even know that some of the
stuff is going on. So just spreading awareness, obviously helping
fund or giving any aspect can can always help in

(48:30):
some aspect. If if your heart is called towards that,
I would just call everybody to like, you know, just
look into it.

Speaker 16 (48:37):
You know.

Speaker 14 (48:38):
That's that was someone came to talk to me when
I like in high school about like slavery and human
trafficking and I was like, I can't believe that's still
going on to this day, and it just sparked interest
in me at that time. Took me years until you know,
I was like, all right, you know what, this is
something I want to support and get behind. But hopefully,
you know, if this can impact somebody, just to you
know a little bit of spark or a little bit

(48:59):
of like curiosity to find out a little bit more
and help spread awareness. That's really what i GM is
all about, and what we're trying to do is just
spread awareness to try to eventually end in this in
our lifetime.

Speaker 2 (49:12):
All right, well, good work, all right, we'll let you
get back.

Speaker 3 (49:15):
I know you have meetings and stuff you have to do,
so you know what to ask him any scheme related questions.
That's time he's gonna come with.

Speaker 1 (49:24):
You'll see.

Speaker 2 (49:30):
We appreciate you stopping in anytime, guys.

Speaker 7 (49:32):
I appreciate Henry.

Speaker 2 (49:35):
All right, good stuff, good to see. Good to see
the guys back.

Speaker 3 (49:40):
You get a little jump and you get a little
pep in your step when you give Did.

Speaker 1 (49:44):
You give a speech to the team? I don't know, Fred,
Fred little rally the troops.

Speaker 3 (49:48):
Not yet, not yet not I'll stop by at some point. Yeah, yeah,
we got to get maybe maybe from Minnie camp. We've
got a chance. You know, you know, there might be
a little dragging, you know, you know, like because ot
as and then Mini camp comes and they get that
time off before training camp. It's when like mentally they
might be a little drained. Freads.

Speaker 6 (50:06):
They appeared like the patent speech where they got flag
in the background and Fret's got the hard hat on.

Speaker 3 (50:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (50:12):
Yeah, the only good a FC opponent is a dead
a FC something like that. W that's what happens.

Speaker 2 (50:20):
That's that's a famous line from Patten.

Speaker 3 (50:23):
So all right, I don't think the af C Eastress
in Boston.

Speaker 2 (50:27):
No, No, his history.

Speaker 1 (50:33):
Oh yeah, did you see Patton?

Speaker 3 (50:34):
I did not, but I know of it. I know,
I know at the time that was.

Speaker 2 (50:39):
That was the jaws of its time.

Speaker 3 (50:41):
Wow, come on, so it doesn't hold up.

Speaker 2 (50:45):
It was kind of a period. So you know, all right,
eight five five pass five hundred is the hotline podcast
at Patriots dot com is the email address. We're talking
about Patriots Hall of Fame, and and that voting is open,
it's Vintary, it's Mankins, and it's Edelman. I personally voted
for Vinitary. I know Paul voted for.

Speaker 3 (51:08):
I haven't actually voted. That was my pick on the nomination. Yeah,
you're day in now an embarrassment of riches.

Speaker 2 (51:15):
Who you're going to vote for?

Speaker 3 (51:17):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (51:18):
Yeah, order matters to make Yeah me too in this case.

Speaker 2 (51:22):
In this case it does, Will writes in while I
love Squirrel, that's Edelman. Welker's success in the slot is
the reason he Edelman was drafted after never having played
a down at wide receiver. Welker has a special place
in my heart, though, since the only Patriots game I
have attended was the season open in Miami, and I
watched Welker beat Ahmad Carroll for the ninety nine yarder

(51:45):
in Miami. The fact that he's not made the ballot
is a travesty. I will vote for Adam or Mankins
or anyone else before Squirrel until Welker gets in.

Speaker 1 (51:55):
I respect that. I respect that a lot.

Speaker 6 (51:57):
I will say, though, I think the Gronk and Edelman
induction ceremonies will pretty pretty lit. The kids say, that's
still lit. It'll be pretty pretty cool of that though,
There'll be a rackous crowd. Maybe not so much for Venetaria.

Speaker 10 (52:07):
That would kind of be fun, Like if they let
next year, if we put them in together, like because
they already do with the past.

Speaker 3 (52:16):
Rules.

Speaker 10 (52:17):
Yeah, the rules need to be you know, you need to.

Speaker 1 (52:21):
Rules.

Speaker 2 (52:24):
Travis in West Virginia, thanks for keeping the Hunter Henry
appearance a secret until the last second. The spence was
killing me and the reveal was so exciting. Eye roll
that to Claire. I'm sure Claire was like, her email
came in before the show, so somebody tipped it.

Speaker 3 (52:42):
Was actually it was tweeted out couple of times.

Speaker 2 (52:46):
There's also a push notification about it.

Speaker 3 (52:48):
Well, I don't think we were trying to put one
over on anybody.

Speaker 1 (52:53):
Slipping Claire of the information, Like just so you know
a little tighter.

Speaker 2 (52:57):
Yeah, that's but I gave Claire just send an email
thanking me for reading her.

Speaker 3 (53:02):
Yeah, how do you think a Hunter took that?

Speaker 2 (53:06):
She loves tight ends? I hope he took it the
you know, sexual way. That's funny. That's funny. The position
Mike writes in from North Carolina, Patriots needs to do
whatever it takes to move up to pick two with

(53:26):
Cleveland to get Travis Hunter. He's a general generational talent
that does not come around often. Plus you get someone
that plays both sides of the ball. Nothing against Abdul Carter,
but Hunter is the guy. For years, we've been complaining
about getting a young, potential superstar receiver to go with
a quarterback, and finally there's one in this year's draft

(53:46):
to go after. Ownership and verybel need to give Cleveland
whatever they want. So my question is, what would we
have to give up when it comes to compensation to
Cleveland to get to two. I say give them pick
four along with the Jude on round three pick in
our number one next year.

Speaker 3 (54:04):
Do you want to give all that up for Travis Hunner.

Speaker 2 (54:08):
He does is to move up to spots to want
to give all that up.

Speaker 3 (54:13):
I don't want to do that.

Speaker 6 (54:14):
I really like Travis hunter too. I still just think
that there are some questions about what is his ceiling? Look,
what is he really going to be? Is he really
going to be a play every down both way player
or where in the middle does it actually end up falling?

Speaker 1 (54:26):
Is he able to go both ways?

Speaker 3 (54:27):
Is what kind of at that stage of the draft
where like you're even the best playing those two guys
like the best players. We just spent fifteen minutes doing
it for ab dual Carter and now you know we're
doing it and it's happening. Like is he a generational
guy like you said, or is it the fact that
he's so versatile and so talented with the ability to

(54:48):
do both that we're overrating his ability to do either
one right? And I'm not saying that.

Speaker 10 (54:54):
Please don't, please don't jump on because I know how
he's generational for the fact that he can play both
sides of the ball. I don't know if that makes
him a generational talent, do you know what I'm saying?
I mean, like, if you put him in last year's
receiver class, is he even the best receiver in the draft?

Speaker 1 (55:10):
Right?

Speaker 6 (55:11):
Like?

Speaker 10 (55:11):
I think that's an honest question.

Speaker 3 (55:12):
I don't think he would have been ahead of any
of those three.

Speaker 10 (55:14):
I think he might have been ahead of Odoonza, but
I don't think he would have been ahead of Marvin
Harrison and neighbors. So, like, what's generational about him is
what he does, and that is that he plays both sides.
That's generational. We haven't seen that truly.

Speaker 2 (55:27):
Did They called champ Bailey generational at by time?

Speaker 10 (55:30):
But I don't think but Champa did it as much
as Travis under truly has played full time both sides
of the football.

Speaker 3 (55:38):
I don't think, and I could be wrong, but I
don't think champ Bailey entered the draft as a legitimate
two way like he was going to play both ways.

Speaker 2 (55:47):
In the now absolutely right he did not.

Speaker 3 (55:49):
I don't think. I don't think, no, I know he
played both ways at George. I mean hines Wood played
like quarterback at Georgia.

Speaker 1 (55:55):
You know, like there was I.

Speaker 3 (55:57):
Remember like a lot of different versatility from different players.
I don't remember anybody like this that was legitimately getting
like people who matter, you know, Daniel Jeremiah's and you
know Lewis ra like guys that know what they're doing,
legitimately saying this guy could play both ways. I don't
remember that.

Speaker 2 (56:15):
And you think, if do you think Travis Hunter could
have done what he did if he went to a
team like Alabama or LSU.

Speaker 3 (56:23):
It's a great question.

Speaker 1 (56:24):
I honestly don't think so. I mean, I it's just
you need a coach like Dion that's willing to give
you the chance, I think.

Speaker 3 (56:29):
I mean, but assuming you have the opportunity, would have
been able to do it, probably, I don't know. I mean,
I think he's really really gifted athletically. I'm sure this
is a guy who was like a five star recruit
and only went to Jackson State because of Dion. Yeah.

Speaker 10 (56:42):
I mean, he's basically been the best player at his
level his entire life. Yeah, you know, he's one of
those types of guys, and like Colorado's not Alabama, but
like it's the Big twelve. Like, it's not like they're
playing absolute cupcakes all the time.

Speaker 3 (56:57):
It's a good level. It's not the SEC, but it's
a good level football.

Speaker 10 (57:00):
I don't know. I think the one thing I would
say about him playing both ways is that I think
we all need to get out of our heads of
that happening early in his NFL career, because I don't
think the team that drafts him is going to want
him to do it right away.

Speaker 3 (57:13):
Now.

Speaker 10 (57:14):
We're able talked about a little bit at the owners meetings,
like if you get to the point and you're two
or even you're you know, halfway through the season, where
you feel like, all right, he has a really good
grasp of corner, like he knows what he's doing. We
feel comfortable with him at corner. Now, let's see if
we can mix in some touches on offense. There are
some snaps on offense, that's one thing. But I don't
think anybody is expecting him to come into the league

(57:37):
Week one and be playing seventy snaps on both sides
of the football, Like, I don't think that's what we're
looking at it in history, it's more of a long
term thing.

Speaker 3 (57:46):
Imagine like what like they draft Travis Hunter and first game,
like out of the shoot, he plays like every snap.

Speaker 1 (57:53):
Like what does it look like in practice?

Speaker 6 (57:54):
I mean, we obviously practice closes off to any game,
but what if we're in training camp and it's like
he's with the offense that he just pops over the
next day going back and he practiced.

Speaker 10 (58:02):
He practiced with the with the defense at Colorado. So
he practiced mostly at corner at Colorado. But it's you
can't play like high school. Like in high school, like
on on Tuesdays you do offense. On Wednesdays you do defense,
you know, because it's the same guys.

Speaker 6 (58:19):
Right, I mean, not to blow my own, I wasn't
probably the worst tackle to ever play high school football,
but that first game, like I got talked into playing
when I went to prep school, and then I realized
during the course of the game, I'm playing every snap
because we didn't have enough guys. So I played every
special teams and I was terrible. I'm not saying that
that was good. Why they made him.

Speaker 3 (58:36):
Play for the Cross because they didn't have enough guys
because he had he was the only quarterback, and like
that kid don't want football.

Speaker 1 (58:47):
They saw this and they're like, you're a tackle, like
six ft, they're a big guy.

Speaker 3 (58:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (58:53):
I never want anything to be over more than Willison Northampton.
Oh my god, they took their starters out, but I
wear the halftime. I'm like, I know I ever wanted
anything to be over more in my life than that
football game because they were just killing me, killing me
and I was, you know, defensive tackle too, So I'm
in like a four point stance.

Speaker 1 (59:08):
I can barely like it's problem bent over. You know,
it's bad.

Speaker 10 (59:12):
It's funny because we were watching the Bruins have that
all cast now with like Bergeron and Tuker Rask and Bergeron.
They asked him about practicing on the PK and he
was like, well, I didn't really get to practice it
very much because I was on the power play, right,
So they would rather be practice the power play than
practice on the PK. So Patrice Bergeron killed penalties at

(59:34):
maybe the highest level of anybody that you know of
his generation without really practicing it. And like, that's kind
of how I feel about Travis Hunter, a wide receiver,
is that like he didn't even really practice it and
he was one of the best in the nation at
it just off of God given instincts and natural talent.
Like imagine if he actually gets a chance to really
focus on it and practice it, you know, day in

(59:55):
and day out, Like how good he could get at it.

Speaker 3 (59:56):
That's what would you be willing to give up for him? Fred,
Because I think the draft pick and I'm not a
huge like we got to hold the draft picks kind
of guy Joe Milton, But I think the draft picks
are important right now too, Like the quantity of those,
like the four top hundred picks, right, I would hesitate
to give up two of them.

Speaker 2 (01:00:16):
I would be I might be willing to, you know,
obviously the pick swap and then next year is two
and three.

Speaker 3 (01:00:27):
So well, so you don't give it up any of
them this year?

Speaker 12 (01:00:31):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:00:31):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:00:33):
I just like hear something no, because like if I
tell them we'll give you a fifth or like they're
gonna laugh. So it's got to be high picks other
than the swap.

Speaker 3 (01:00:41):
You know, the swap doesn't count, I know, So it's.

Speaker 2 (01:00:44):
It's gotta be high picks, and I don't want to
give up high picks this year.

Speaker 10 (01:00:48):
Yeah, you need about eight hundred points on the trade
value chart, which is the equivalent of like a mid
to low first round pick. So you have to get
to the future first. So your future, can I guess
the future first is really a decent.

Speaker 2 (01:01:06):
How about a future first two years from now?

Speaker 6 (01:01:09):
It's really like and then second, yeah, it's even more removed, right, Yeah,
I just I don't think Travis Hunter's worth two first rounds.

Speaker 2 (01:01:18):
Yeah, I guess. I guess I don't love him that much, you.

Speaker 3 (01:01:21):
Know, I see, I am incredibly intrigued by the talent.
I just don't think they're in a position where they
can make that kind of a trade. I think these picks,
they're going to have to find some good football players
with those four picks. I mean, they're going to need
to find you know, at least two hits.

Speaker 2 (01:01:37):
If you knew that he was going to be a
perennial floor pro bowler, I'm not saying all pro. If
you knew every year he was going to be.

Speaker 10 (01:01:49):
A pro bowler, what would you give him at what position?

Speaker 2 (01:01:52):
Wide receiver?

Speaker 10 (01:01:55):
That I mean a decent amount. But I don't have
a crystal ball, right, you know, I don't know if
he's gonna be there.

Speaker 3 (01:02:04):
If you're gonna tell me he's in the conversation with
with Chase and you know in the AFC Chase digs,
you know, as an AFC pro bowler. Yeah, now I'm
willing to give up two of those those picks. But
you can't do it that I know, I know.

Speaker 2 (01:02:19):
Jeremiah writes in Back to the Hall of Fame, I
honestly would put Vinetarian this year, then put Gronkson Jewels
in next year. Evan literally said this as I was
finishing the email.

Speaker 10 (01:02:30):
If there's a year to put two guys in together,
like they are like the best of friends, right, So
I feel like that it's not good. They're not gonna
look at that and be like, oh, this is disrespectful,
Like they you're gonna look at it like this is
a chance to party, you know, Like so.

Speaker 2 (01:02:47):
Paul has a very important phone call apparently anyways, yep,
Sean writes in Wes Welker is a better football player
than Julian Edelman, but he's the victim of circumstances beyond
his control. Playing for just one team as a small factor,
but winning super Bowls is the main thing. Edelman was
fortunate to be part of three super Bowls and being
the MVP in one of them for Welker. Unfortunately, he

(01:03:11):
was with the Patriots between seven and twelve and the
Giants ruined his path. It's like the Patriots in the
Pro Football Hall of Fame, Gino Capilletti and Stanley Morgan
are good enough to be there, but the Patriots didn't win.

Speaker 1 (01:03:23):
Yeah, it's it's all fair.

Speaker 6 (01:03:26):
You get into the nitty gritty of it, and you
keep having examples on both sides for both those guys,
and it's hard to choose between your kids because both
those guys made so many huge plays, put their bodies
through so much punishment for this team and to win games.
And I've always hated that Welker gets killed for that
one play. As Paul said, super Bowl forty two, he

(01:03:46):
probably would have been the MVP. It probably would have
had a very similar kind of trajectory that that Edelman had.

Speaker 3 (01:03:52):
But yeah, I just.

Speaker 10 (01:03:53):
Wonder, like from the committee, like my question about it
would be what Logan Macons more deserving than Wes Welker
to be on the ballot. No disrespect to Logan Macons,
but he was in the no Super Bowl, you know,
ten year period to see it's the same thing, right,

(01:04:13):
So if we're gonna hold all of like, you know,
he didn't win and he doesn't have a ring in
edelmanhett like I We're gonna you hold out against Welker,
I'm not. I I love Logan Macons too. He's one
of the best offensive linemen of the Dynasty, no doubt
about it. But at the end of the day, he's
he's a guard and we're talking about a guard versus
a prolific wide receiver, right, And so if you're gonna

(01:04:37):
be like, basically stand for Logan Makons because he's been
on the ballot multiple years in a row at this point,
and but you're not gonna put Welker on the ballot
because he dropped the ball in the Super Bowl that
wasn't a great throw like that. That's what we're gonna
we're gonna do. But for Logan Macons, it's yeah, like
we don't care, Like I just don't understand that.

Speaker 6 (01:04:55):
That's why I worry that Logan Makins is gonna be
the maid of honor for these next few years of
halling fame inductions because there's just.

Speaker 1 (01:05:03):
Big names with big followings and recency bias. Yes, it
all plays into it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:07):
Yep, Luif writes in Deuce was right. Tuesday's conversation about
Mike's and CIS students got me thinking, since he said
his ancestors are from Quebec City, which is also my hometown.
I started doing some reading about the history of the
Dusau name in Quebec City, and it turns out that
there is actually a historical building in Quebec City under Dusau.

(01:05:29):
It's named the Misson Francois Xavier Dussault. It was built
between eighteen eighty seven and eighteen ninety one. Around that time,
the Dessaux family ran a very successful tobacco manufacturing business,
which helped them secure the fortune necessary to build such
a nice building. Seriously, you should look it up. It
looks great. Anyway, I'm done with my boring friend Canadian

(01:05:49):
history lesson. Thanks for so are thosey Well?

Speaker 1 (01:05:52):
Yeah, but I could go even farther back than that.

Speaker 6 (01:05:53):
The original is named to Saint Japan who was there
in like the sixteen hundred, so early early one. Yeah.

Speaker 10 (01:06:00):
Do you do like ancestry or something?

Speaker 1 (01:06:03):
It was so fun.

Speaker 2 (01:06:03):
I do have like generational wealth?

Speaker 6 (01:06:05):
Liked No, but I think you guys would probably be surprised,
like if you did if you did it, it's fascinating
when you uncover who all your ancestors were.

Speaker 2 (01:06:13):
And my ancestors were probably like European peasants.

Speaker 10 (01:06:17):
Well, I mean a lot of my peasants, Like my
ancestors were like Romanian Jews. Like cool, it's not like
I'm like famous, it's all.

Speaker 6 (01:06:25):
It's all from my grandmother's mother. She's old American and
she has all the roots going back to like connections
to the witch trials, connections to Plymouth plantation, King Phillips
were revolutions civil alas.

Speaker 2 (01:06:36):
So were you lighting matches during against it? Like what
was what was going on?

Speaker 1 (01:06:41):
Yeah? I was lighting lighting off the cannons.

Speaker 2 (01:06:44):
Wow, that's something that to know that, that's pretty cool
to know that type of family history.

Speaker 1 (01:06:50):
Oh, it's that's super fun.

Speaker 6 (01:06:51):
I'm jealous of people who haven't done it because I
got kind of the end where you know everything and
I know where all you know how all my different
ancestors got here. A couple from Ireland, a couple from
plumbers from Scotland's and other big which not as not
as flashy fred as some of the other ones.

Speaker 17 (01:07:02):
I know.

Speaker 6 (01:07:03):
They had plumbing back back in the nineteen hundred, I
had two ancestors coming that were both plumbers from Scotland.

Speaker 2 (01:07:09):
Wow, okay, not that exciting.

Speaker 10 (01:07:11):
It's very interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:07:13):
I don't have any of this knowledge, not really any
desire to learn it.

Speaker 2 (01:07:17):
Why what what's the matter with you? All right, we
get a del into this. Why don't you want to
learn about history? You afraid of what you're going to find?

Speaker 11 (01:07:26):
I don't know.

Speaker 10 (01:07:27):
Maybe oh really he took Corleoni over Italian throw and two?

Speaker 3 (01:07:33):
Uh yeah, yeah, both my parents are both you know,
they're both Italian. But you know, I'm not like my grandparents.
I believe on both sides were born here.

Speaker 10 (01:07:42):
So they can you back to the other country.

Speaker 3 (01:07:45):
No, but I'm just saying, like it's not like you know, yeah,
but I'm not going to use the derogatory terms, but
off to both.

Speaker 2 (01:07:53):
There's other like their parents were probably maybe immigrants. I
assume that's how they got here, and like going back, like,
you know what part of Italy your family's from.

Speaker 3 (01:08:04):
I believe Avellino Avelino.

Speaker 2 (01:08:06):
Yeah, is that northern south?

Speaker 3 (01:08:09):
I believe it's a little bit toward the south.

Speaker 2 (01:08:12):
I would say it's north because you're blue eyes.

Speaker 3 (01:08:14):
So that's like I thought. I always thought that, you know, so,
now he's gonna he's gonna make How do you don't know?

Speaker 2 (01:08:20):
S you should learn?

Speaker 3 (01:08:21):
I always thought I was from northern Italy because of that,
I'm very fair skinned, blue eyes. But you don't have
that olive oil question in the charm Yeah, I have
the charm product.

Speaker 2 (01:08:33):
People are from Avellino, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:08:35):
From it. I believe I'm from Avellino. I believe both
my grandparents, both my mother and father's parents, they're emanated
from the same area, probably all came together.

Speaker 10 (01:08:45):
They can trace you back to the mother country, I think,
and which means that you could be a made man, right, Oh,
I think not.

Speaker 3 (01:08:53):
I grew up in the right place for it.

Speaker 10 (01:08:55):
I mean, do you think not because you would never
do that sort of thing, or because as they can't
trace you back to the mother country.

Speaker 1 (01:09:02):
You don't go looking for you you don't want to.

Speaker 3 (01:09:04):
I don't have the answers. I don't have the answers,
But I just I feel like I hear like Mike's
story is a great one, that he did all that
research and found out all these wonderful things. I hear
so many other stories that don't end like that, that
kind of.

Speaker 2 (01:09:17):
Just like fizzle out, well worse, Well, like you find
out some dark secrets, like you like.

Speaker 3 (01:09:25):
Your families were own slaves or something something you don't
want to know.

Speaker 2 (01:09:29):
Well, I know, but like maybe you should know, you know,
I don't know. I just think it's interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:09:34):
Well Lane's I did Lane.

Speaker 6 (01:09:35):
Her her family is from Sicily and her grandfather great
grandfather rights Lane. He was a coal miner in like
the late eighteen hundreds, early nineteen hundreds, Like coal miner,
Like talk about a crappy job being a coal miner.

Speaker 3 (01:09:47):
Like good, good, honest working.

Speaker 1 (01:09:48):
Now like hunting, like yeah, yeah, it's like Zoolander the
Black Pop exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:09:56):
Tyler and Ludlow. I'm formally calling out Deuce because his
alma is going to get smoked by my alma mar
Northern Illinois. Oh really, to kick you off the college
football season, we added a full back in the draft.
Post draft, I would love to see the Patriots pick
up former n i U full back Brock Lampy or
l A m p e. Sounds six fifty two pounds

(01:10:18):
of us as a blocker, but has the ability to
catch passes out of the backfield.

Speaker 1 (01:10:23):
We need to pick him, so I can say that
we should ask Hunter the full back coming back.

Speaker 3 (01:10:26):
But that's true.

Speaker 1 (01:10:27):
I guess they probably would have had the full back
by now.

Speaker 12 (01:10:29):
Don't you think.

Speaker 3 (01:10:30):
Futures kid that they I forget what's the kid's name
that they signed to a futures contract. It's kind of
a full back to Oh yeah, he's a tight end,
I think, but he's kind of a more of a.

Speaker 2 (01:10:40):
Can they make him a full back?

Speaker 10 (01:10:45):
Talking about Scattaboo, Yeah, uh no, no, no, Skatboo's a
running back. He's too small to be a full back.

Speaker 3 (01:10:52):
I got a sleeper for that's the guy.

Speaker 10 (01:10:55):
That's no, there's only one full back in this draft
that the Patriots can get.

Speaker 3 (01:11:00):
Pat Conroy. Okay, you don't know who that is? Yeah?
I do. That's just frightening.

Speaker 10 (01:11:07):
I mean, is he a fullback?

Speaker 3 (01:11:09):
DA Day three sleeper? Incredible athlete, spent most of his
time as a tight end, but I think he could
have like full back traits.

Speaker 2 (01:11:20):
What's his measurables?

Speaker 3 (01:11:21):
I don't have him in front of me thirty.

Speaker 2 (01:11:23):
What does he go to school?

Speaker 3 (01:11:24):
You went to reading high old Dominion. He finished his
curritle Dominion.

Speaker 5 (01:11:29):
Ok.

Speaker 3 (01:11:29):
And he was productive, really high end athleticism for the position.

Speaker 1 (01:11:33):
Though.

Speaker 3 (01:11:33):
Seriously, his his raw scores were among the best that
they've had for fullbacks. Now, I know that's a smaller sample.
You don't have fifty full backs in every draft class.
You know, it's a smaller group. But his were very,
very high end over the last twenty five years.

Speaker 10 (01:11:52):
This is why I know who he is. Good combine,
So you knew that, Yeah, good combine play.

Speaker 3 (01:11:57):
With my nephew.

Speaker 2 (01:11:58):
Tyler also wants to know if you were to go
on Julian Edelman's podcast Games with Names, which game would
you want to discuss Games with Names?

Speaker 3 (01:12:08):
Probably twenty eight to three for me, I do you
know there is a sauce spot for me for jewels
for stealing my thing that whole games are names things?
Fred and I have been talking about that for years.
They stole it.

Speaker 2 (01:12:19):
From Harper's Harper's mouth.

Speaker 1 (01:12:21):
Yeah, the bad Ones, Yeah, maybe Dot Jackson.

Speaker 6 (01:12:25):
The comeback against the Broncos in twenty thirteen, that's a
good one was kind of a coming up party.

Speaker 3 (01:12:29):
What the name of that one is?

Speaker 1 (01:12:30):
Though?

Speaker 3 (01:12:30):
I was here for Peter. That's Peter, that Peter Peter
come back.

Speaker 10 (01:12:33):
I was here Peter. I was here for that one. Yeah,
I don't remember much of it.

Speaker 6 (01:12:38):
Oh that was back before you were covering the team
and just oh yeah, weren't those the days. Imagine watching
a football game like that.

Speaker 10 (01:12:44):
Now, we had great seats there. My my uncle took
me for my twenty first birthday. We had his company seats,
like fifty yard line, ten rows up.

Speaker 1 (01:12:53):
It was cool that night.

Speaker 10 (01:12:54):
It was freezing. Like half our group left at half
time because they were down twenty four to three and
they're yelling at them.

Speaker 3 (01:12:59):
I did not think they were going to come back
and win that game. There's like a lot of games.
Do you remember there was a home game Colin Kaepernick,
San Francisco era. Yeah, I want to say, I want
to say they already won the three. I never thought
that game was over. I thought there was I thought
there was a chance the Patriots had come back, and

(01:13:20):
ultimately they did. I think they came back and tied
it and then San Francisco went right down to a touchdown. Yeah,
that game against Denver that night, the Patriots were so
sloppy in addition to Denver being so good. I just
I didn't think there was any chance they were going
to come back.

Speaker 2 (01:13:36):
I I have so little recollection of that Denver game.

Speaker 10 (01:13:40):
Sam, It's so weird.

Speaker 2 (01:13:43):
No, it's so weird. I don't know what was going
on that game, but I was definitely just like and uh,
I mean, obviously I remember them coming back, but I
just like the details of that game.

Speaker 3 (01:13:56):
I have very very little ran for over two hundred
ye yards, but the Wisconsin the Wisconsin ball ball Monty
bal Monty had a huge fumble on a screen that
because they they were moving the ball every time they
got it like. The Patriots didn't stop them like ever,

(01:14:19):
but they still somehow managed to come back because they
kept doing something colossally stupid like that, and all the
mistakes the Patriots made in the first half, the Broncos
did it in the second half, and then the Patriots.
People forget this. The Patriots actually had a seven point
lead with Denver having the ball going into the wind
at the end, and they in Denver again, like I said,

(01:14:40):
they moved it every time. They went right down the
field and scored to tie the game, and then went
overtime and they had the ball hit the up back
on the punt and Kestowski kicked the field goal.

Speaker 6 (01:14:50):
I just remember watching the opening game that season I
think was the Broncos, like the NFL kickoff game, and
they absolutely blew doors.

Speaker 1 (01:14:57):
I think what Welker was.

Speaker 6 (01:14:58):
On the team, right, Like Welker had gon on to
them at that point twenty thirteen, right like after twenty twelve,
and it's just being like, oh my god, this team
looks so good.

Speaker 1 (01:15:05):
They were They just came out flying.

Speaker 3 (01:15:07):
Was that year? Yeah, they beat Baltimore.

Speaker 10 (01:15:09):
Sounds right, I Uh. That was the game, the twenty
thirteen game that made me your running backs don't matter person,
because Denver ran the ball for like three hundred yards
in that game. They could not get no Sean moreno
on the ground. The box was just wide open.

Speaker 3 (01:15:27):
But yeah, they were like they were inviting him to run.

Speaker 10 (01:15:29):
They were begging them to run the football.

Speaker 3 (01:15:31):
Every time the other team ever had success doing anything,
it was automatically perceived that Bill did that on purpose.
But on that particular thing, totally, I do believe that
that was part of the design. Was we got to
give something up. Yeah, we'd rather have him do this
six eight yards at a time as opposed to Manning
throwing it all over.

Speaker 10 (01:15:50):
He literally they were literally playing with a five man box.
In the second half, it were two high safeties just
begging Denver to hand the ball off. And I remember
Peyton just checked out of every pass play because of
the box count and like and I just could imagine
Bill being like, do it again, check out of it again.

Speaker 3 (01:16:08):
But if they don't fumble, oh yeah, I mean they
score thirty whatever points. You know, if they don't fumble,
they probably win the game. But I do that is
one of the rare times that you know, the the
Wall defenders. I actually agreed with that night. I do
think that that was part of Bill's plan, was we
got to we got to give him something, because you
can't take everything away. I'd rather have no Chamreno run

(01:16:30):
for two hundred yards than Peyton throw for four hundred.

Speaker 6 (01:16:33):
My favorite game was the next year against Denver here
with like the Edelman return for touch punt return for
a touchdown.

Speaker 1 (01:16:39):
Gronkad that that was a got to come. Was one
of my best. Yeah, exactly, I got to see my
guy my favorite games.

Speaker 2 (01:16:46):
Jake writes in Fred it looks as though you're wearing
a Turgarian dragon on your T shirt this afternoon. Is
this true?

Speaker 5 (01:16:52):
It is?

Speaker 2 (01:16:53):
Oh yeah, I dug deep in the T shirt drawer
this morning.

Speaker 3 (01:16:57):
Question of T shirts would you say you have?

Speaker 2 (01:17:00):
I don't know, probably forty, I'm probably yeah, I'm probably
in that neighborhood too, uh. Question A lot of them,
though I don't wear anymore, you know, they too many stains. No,
it's just like either they don't fit or like, it's
just I'm not interested in what they say.

Speaker 1 (01:17:16):
You attached to them. You can't get rid of them.

Speaker 2 (01:17:18):
Like, yeah, like it's a T shirt and you never know,
you know, why not? You know, you don't throw away
good clothes. Question for the group, what Game of Thrones
character would you have sat on the Iron Throne?

Speaker 1 (01:17:31):
John Snow.

Speaker 2 (01:17:34):
Right? Yeah, but John snow couldn't you know, because I
can't anticipate.

Speaker 1 (01:17:39):
Throw those things out.

Speaker 10 (01:17:40):
I wish that Game of Thrones ended with the happy
ending in Denarius never turned. That that's that would That
would be my personal wish because personally spoiler alert if
you haven't seen the show, personally you had a crush
on her, well obviously, but like second to that, I
just think that that he'll turn and was so poorly

(01:18:01):
done that all of a sudden she went from like
the savior of the world that they live in to
burning an entire city down with a million people just
in like two episodes we did that.

Speaker 4 (01:18:14):
It was.

Speaker 2 (01:18:14):
It did seem rushed, Yeah, it was. I could unders
like maybe if they had developed that a little bit more.
But I can understand why she turned after all she
had gone through and no one's gonna question me anymore.
But that's it.

Speaker 10 (01:18:27):
Yeah, but there's a difference between that and burning an
entire city to the ground with your dragon. There's kind
of a middle ground.

Speaker 18 (01:18:36):
I said.

Speaker 15 (01:18:37):
I think the issue is how quick it was. Weren't
the series or showrunners like rushing to get Game of
Thrones don to go work on Star Wars and then
they got fired from Star Wars.

Speaker 10 (01:18:45):
And they also ran they ran out of source material,
which was a big part of issue.

Speaker 15 (01:18:51):
Yeah, Georgia Mark got lazy, He got too rich and lazy.

Speaker 1 (01:18:56):
This is one of my hot takes. Though I thought
the Game of It was fine, It was fine, fine.

Speaker 10 (01:19:02):
I've never been worrying an end of a show ever
in my life.

Speaker 3 (01:19:06):
He's he's a TV nowhere.

Speaker 2 (01:19:08):
Yeah, but like, but when you think of some of
the most memorable TV moments, Game of Thrones has a
lot of them, Yeah, sure, for.

Speaker 10 (01:19:16):
How good the show was for the entire duration of
the show to end it so poorly, was one of them. Like,
I've never been as angry about TV as I was at.

Speaker 6 (01:19:26):
That, but just you feel like I just like, to me,
it was like there were so many possibilities in speculation,
what could it be, what could happen, and it was like,
ultimately it's got to be something like it's not going
to be all that cool, and like, I think the
big thing they wanted was to say who John Snow
really was and who his parents really were, and that
was the big twist that they were hoping landed.

Speaker 3 (01:19:42):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:19:43):
The end was a little clunky shirt, but I don't know,
at the end of the day, you gotta wrap it
all up somehow.

Speaker 2 (01:19:47):
Yeah, they've no it rarely has rarely has a series
that had that many people watching it ended and everyone
was happy how it ended.

Speaker 3 (01:19:57):
I will say, and I did not watch Game of Thrones,
but I was will say that ending, like iconic series
is an incredibly difficult things. And I don't know too
many that people said, you know what they got that perfect?

Speaker 2 (01:20:09):
There was one. It was it was a one season series.
It was Mayor of East Town or terrific, terrific show
that might have had the most perfect ending.

Speaker 3 (01:20:19):
A terrific show.

Speaker 2 (01:20:20):
Yeah, I remember that ending was perfect.

Speaker 1 (01:20:23):
That was with what's Kate Winsley smoking faces?

Speaker 6 (01:20:26):
She was the sheriff because there's another one that's like
mayor of east Ham and then I was like the
Mayor of East may I think it's mayor of there's
another show that mayor of something that sounds they of
East east Wood or East you know.

Speaker 1 (01:20:43):
Sorry.

Speaker 10 (01:20:44):
The Game of Thrones ending, it was, it was fine.

Speaker 15 (01:20:47):
It's I think people were dramatic about how.

Speaker 2 (01:20:52):
The years of our lives.

Speaker 3 (01:20:56):
Yeah, I didn't need it, but I love the show.

Speaker 10 (01:20:59):
I feel like that would have different for me if
I had watched it when it was happening, like I
watched The Sopranos because I'm you know, it was on
when I was a kid, so like when I watched
it as an adult, I was like, all right, I
could I could see this ending, But I'm sure if
I invested eight years of my life on it, it
would have been that was.

Speaker 3 (01:21:15):
Lost, just a regular network show that was absolute horrific,
horral loss. Finale.

Speaker 2 (01:21:23):
I was I thought you meant the ending was like.

Speaker 3 (01:21:25):
I wanted that all of my time. I wanted all
of my time back that I invested watching the show.
That's how bad did you get to the end like Purgatory?

Speaker 1 (01:21:33):
Did they not have a plan?

Speaker 3 (01:21:35):
Like that's that's my guess. I don't know, because I
don't I don't have all the inside chat rooms that
Alex has.

Speaker 2 (01:21:43):
Was going on.

Speaker 15 (01:21:43):
I was like, I need to know all the backstories.
I like need to be caught up on the news.
I want to hear from the directors, and I don't know.
I kind of geek out about that stuff a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:21:52):
Yeah, I did. I did stay on and I listen,
and there was like a point.

Speaker 1 (01:21:55):
Where it came.

Speaker 15 (01:21:56):
I don't know if it was like maybe the sixth
season where you have this wicked long build up throughout
the whole show and they create this world and then
all of a sudden, like it takes one episode to
get all the way beyond like the bridge and fight
the White Walkers, and it's like, Okay, this is really rush,
Like how did this bird travel all this distance to
carry this message in half of an episode?

Speaker 1 (01:22:17):
You know, likes.

Speaker 10 (01:22:22):
Like two see the journey, Like I understand the point
there's actually a really good uh Ringer podcast that's Game
of Thrones. Uh, it's kind of a thick it's called
Talk to Thrones or something like that, and uh, they
do it for House of the Dragon now also, and
like those people know more about like that world like
it is it's like how much I know about football?

(01:22:44):
I'm like, what the like, what are we doing? Like
you're spending all this time like thinking about this and
like they know all like the family trees and the
rel It's crazy, did you guys?

Speaker 1 (01:22:53):
Are you guys doing House? Like I tapped out on that.
I kind of watched and I was like, this isn't
getting me the same way.

Speaker 3 (01:22:58):
I've been watching it.

Speaker 10 (01:22:59):
I'm up to date on it. It's it's not Game
of Thrones, but.

Speaker 1 (01:23:03):
It's still why Like why isn't it what? What? What
did it lose?

Speaker 6 (01:23:06):
That's what I'm asking myself. What's the loss of appeal
for Houses Dragon?

Speaker 1 (01:23:10):
That?

Speaker 6 (01:23:10):
Like cause I kind of like like the zombie subplot,
Like yeah, I was less about the power struggle between
all the different factions and I kind of like like
this ominous thing that's hanging over was that that you
know they're gonna get attacked by the White Walkers, but
that's out of it now, and that it's just kind
of power struggle, right.

Speaker 10 (01:23:26):
Yeah, I would say that the two biggest things are
like Game of Thrones did such a great job of
laying the foundation for all the characters that you actually
like had a connection to all of the main characters,
so like at the end of season one, you're like,
what just happened?

Speaker 12 (01:23:41):
Right?

Speaker 10 (01:23:41):
Whereas like I feel like with Houses the Dragon, I
don't like feel for the characters as much as I
did with Game of Thrones, So maybe that's a part
of it. But this last season of the House of
the Dragon was pretty good, Like they had some some
real kind of like Game of Thrones ask you know,
deaths and like shockers and stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:23:57):
Yeah, it was good, El said from Wiscond. Game of
Thrones fell off a cliff like two seasons prior when
they got past the books. The awfulness of the season
eight was of no surprise to me. Didn't even watch it.

Speaker 3 (01:24:09):
How do you know it's done?

Speaker 12 (01:24:10):
Right?

Speaker 10 (01:24:11):
I did? Yeah, the books is the big reason.

Speaker 3 (01:24:13):
Yeah, I've read that.

Speaker 1 (01:24:15):
Yeah, that's the big I mean, I read.

Speaker 6 (01:24:16):
I read the books like I started watching them, like
I got to read these books, but he hasn't put out.

Speaker 1 (01:24:20):
More and so you knew he was kind of flying
rushed him because he.

Speaker 3 (01:24:26):
Wasn't ready to do that's I had heard that.

Speaker 6 (01:24:28):
This is like I don't know how what like like
maybe one in the two seasons that they had to
kind of make up on their own. I'm sure it
was guided right, but still it's not his storytelling that
was so well laid out in the first season.

Speaker 2 (01:24:42):
Bill says the best ending to a series I ever
saw was the finale of Will and Grace, and then
they ruined it by rebooting, So I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:24:51):
Recall that finale, but I kind of yeah, I didn't
really watch that show as regularly, but because you know me, Fred, yeah,
I'll give us much.

Speaker 2 (01:25:00):
It's hard to end.

Speaker 3 (01:25:02):
You know. One was funny, yeah, funny show.

Speaker 2 (01:25:05):
Yeah, good writing, good writers, very good writing. All Right,
I'm gonna take a break. I smell my food and
if I'm distracted like that, I just can't continue. So
we will be right back after this.

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Speaker 20 (01:27:03):
When Alex Francisco, Chris Cassidy and Evan Lazar, We're gonna
read some leftover emails for you guys, because we know
the listeners love to hear the emails read so right.
For number one, we got Jarrett from Kingston. It started
with Zappi, then Malie Cunningham and now Joe Milton. Some fans,

(01:27:23):
like London from last show really need to simmer down
with these third string quarterbacks calling them starters again. It
all worked up when they get moved as crazy. Evan
had Deuce heated about that, as with Wilfred Laurier University alumni.
I hope the Patriots pick up Taylor el Jerezma so
all these fans can hop on his bandwagon too. A
question I had about the Patriots Hall of Fame was

(01:27:44):
why do fans even get to vote instead of the
committee just putting people in who deserve it or who
deserve it in. I get they want fan engagement, but
builders and coaches will almost never get in over the players,
even if they deserve it.

Speaker 10 (01:27:57):
That's a good point, yeah, gregor a fame obviously, just
have a community committee that votes and or voters, like
I think the Baseball Hall of Fame is like media voters, right,
But I get where that's coming from. Al Gertzon was
an interesting prospect. He's a Canadian, as the emailer alluded to,
and he was at the Senior Bowl but played a

(01:28:17):
lot of Canadian football and was a little bit older.
But like, you know, he's one of those guys that
is kind of fun, you know, like he didn't play
a ton of college football and that sort of thing,
so kind of under the radar prospect as a late
round pick. And look at the backup quarterback's been the
most popular guy in town since the beginning of times.
Like he's always the most popular guy in town, you know,

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going back to like Michael Bishop with the Patriots, you know,
is another guy with a big arm that everybody was
infatuated with So this is nothing new.

Speaker 20 (01:28:47):
Yeah, so on the Hall of Fame thing, good stuff
on the quarterback there, But Hall of Fame, it's just
tough because twenty years of excellence means twenty years of
great players. Other players are going to get started to
get passed over. You have the Edelman's and the Gronks
who were NFL superstars coming in, So it is tough,
and I think they might.

Speaker 12 (01:29:06):
I personally think they.

Speaker 20 (01:29:07):
Should maybe change how many people get in in the class,
just because there's so many big players coming in.

Speaker 12 (01:29:11):
But Chris, you disagree, Al you disagree, especially with.

Speaker 15 (01:29:14):
The dynasty years.

Speaker 2 (01:29:15):
I don't know.

Speaker 15 (01:29:16):
It's I think it's gonna You're gonna start to see
kind of a popularity contest and it's a little bit
of a backlog. But I mean mister Croft did kind
of override it and get Bill Parcells into the Hall
of Fame, So maybe if that keeps having to happen
every year, they changed the process. But I say, leave
it up to the experts.

Speaker 16 (01:29:33):
Yeah, I agree, you guys kind of hit on everything.
I just think it comes down to, like the fan
vote is all popular popularity contest. I mean, for my
generation at least. All we know growing up at least
is winning.

Speaker 10 (01:29:44):
So when's your birthday year?

Speaker 16 (01:29:47):
Sorry guys, you guys are all what forty?

Speaker 15 (01:29:51):
Yeah, it was bringing the nineteen hundreds to that point, all.

Speaker 16 (01:29:57):
I know was winning. So all I really, I mean,
I a Patriots fan, I know more than just that.

Speaker 10 (01:30:01):
But spoiled.

Speaker 16 (01:30:03):
My point is, all those guys coming up are all studs,
like you could you can make an argument for anyone.

Speaker 20 (01:30:09):
I think the first ballot thing kind of matters though, Like, yeah,
like Edelman should be first one.

Speaker 10 (01:30:14):
Well, that's the tough part about this year, is just
what I was gonna add about the Hall of Fame.
Like this is a really good litmus test of this
because Edelman and Vinitari could potentially go head to head
on the Hall of Fame ballot, and they are two
of the biggest fan favorites. But Edelman is kind of
a different generation of Patriots fans. And so I did
all the twenty tens Patriots fans outweigh all the early

(01:30:35):
Dynasty Patriots fans. You know, I'm an order of operations guys,
So like I feel like Vinitaria should get in first
and then Edelman just because for the years they went in,
but then you run into the problem that Gronk is
coming up too, so like at some point you're going
to get to Gronk and it's like, well, Gronk's going
to be a first ballot, I would think, So it
gets competentated.

Speaker 15 (01:30:54):
You bring up a great point about it's mostly younger
fans that are on social media right on Internet that
are seeing these contests even kind of arise, as opposed
to the people who were there to really appreciate the
og dynasty.

Speaker 1 (01:31:08):
You know.

Speaker 20 (01:31:08):
Yeah, So it's an interesting story and we'll see what
happens this year, all right, next Hey, everyone, the more
I think about this draft, the more I'm only really
interested in Travis Hunter. Having a super versatile players like
him and Marcus Jones on the team is just super
fun for me. Well, I'm not going to complain about
getting Abdua Carter or Will Campbell. There's always going to
be some thought of it in the back of my
mind that I would have preferred Hunter. I know, we

(01:31:30):
have we picked forth so we don't have a choice
in the matter. But the Giants have Molik Neighbors and
the Brownsie to replace Watson. Can they just let Hunter
slip to us that was from Valerian and Sunny Summerland BC.

Speaker 10 (01:31:41):
Well, I'm with you, Valerian. I have Travis Hunter as
the number one player on my board mainly because he
plays wide receiver and the Patriots, as we talked about
it in another show, is Starvin for wide receivers for
a while? You have this young thoroughbred quarterback, and it
would be really great to have Joe Burrow and Jamar Chase,
you know, for the next five to ten years with

(01:32:02):
Drake May and Travis Hunter. So that's the reason why
I have him over Carter personally is simply just offense, right,
you need offense. He's an offensive player, dynamite offensive player.
I would love it.

Speaker 16 (01:32:12):
And I feel like they're touched on defense a lot already. Yeah,
so you kind of need that offensive weapon. And I mean,
I really hope Travis Hunter falls because I think that's
a lot of people just go to right.

Speaker 12 (01:32:22):
Yeah, I agree, I want Hunter Carter.

Speaker 20 (01:32:24):
I'd be okay with Campbell, but it sucks to go
four and thirteen and take the least sexy position in
the draft, Like I mean, we saw it with Cole Strange,
Like you don't see any crazy plays during training camp.

Speaker 12 (01:32:35):
So I mean, hunter is a thing, but hunters what
you want.

Speaker 3 (01:32:38):
But for you know, say, you know, Matia.

Speaker 10 (01:32:40):
Sometimes like when you get socks for Christmas, even though
it's not the sexy gift, it's not the fun.

Speaker 3 (01:32:46):
Gift, it's just the gift that you need dependable. It's dependable, it's.

Speaker 12 (01:32:49):
Reliable, a Nike Elite sock.

Speaker 10 (01:32:52):
And this this is one of those years where socks
for Christmas might be the move for the Patriots.

Speaker 12 (01:32:57):
That's fair.

Speaker 10 (01:32:58):
You might not have these great plays that we can
talk about in training camp, but Drake May's jersey is
gonna have no mud on it after a game protection
and that's gonna be good too.

Speaker 20 (01:33:06):
That wisdom, well, you know, we said, well said, all right,
let me get to the next one here. Okay, Comel
from Georgia one. What do you guys think about the
fans getting mad about this quote from wide receiver coach
Todd Downing on being a first time wide receiver coach quote.
I may not be the greatest drill footwork footwork specialist
out there, but I know football, and I know what

(01:33:27):
it takes to get the receivers open on time. I
know what the quarterback's thinking from a coverage standpoint end quote.

Speaker 16 (01:33:34):
Uh, I think people are concerned about the footwork thing,
but outside of that, I don't see much much worry there.

Speaker 10 (01:33:41):
Yeah, I mean he definitely is gonna come at it
as more of like a conceptual coach, right, like, this
is your job within the route concept and within the play,
and the quarterback has this timing and this many you know,
steps in his drop, and you're gonna have to be
able to time up with the quarterback to get open
and get the football. So there's a lot of value
in that sort of thing. I think a lot of
young receivers, especially struggle with the timing aspect. We hear

(01:34:05):
a lot about TikTok routes, Right, We're just gonna run
these routes with like seven breaks in them just to
create all this separation. We're gonna post it on TikTok. Well,
in the NFL, you don't have seven seconds to get open, right.
You have to get open off the line and get
open quickly. I am a little bit surprised that they
didn't add a assistant wide receivers coach that has a
wide receiver background, though, like maybe you know, like a

(01:34:27):
Wes Welker like a former player that you know, played
the position just to come in and coach up some
of that technique stuff. But I think there's a lot
of value in the conceptualization of the position as well.

Speaker 20 (01:34:39):
No, totally, and that a word I just made that works. Yeah,
all right, Part two of Kamel's question. I saw that
Christian Gonzalz is eligible for an extension next offseason. If
he has another great year and gets All Pro again,
what do you think is extension would be. So that
being said, Jace Horn got what one hundred years or sorry,
one hundred million with seventy.

Speaker 1 (01:34:55):
Million four years?

Speaker 3 (01:34:57):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 12 (01:35:00):
Eventually get there one hundred years.

Speaker 10 (01:35:03):
I'm trying to go serious and you're joking about. I mean,
that's that's pretty part for the course. So yes, what
so Horn Stingley, I think just got a new deal, right,
Denzel Ward got a new deal recently. Top of the
y receiver or cornerback market. We're talking about close to
twenty five million dollars a year at this point, and
I think Christian Gonzales more than earned it. If he

(01:35:26):
has another year like last year, we're talking about two
back to back All Pro seasons, he's going to be
right at the top of the market. So I think
you're looking at four years, one hundred million dollars.

Speaker 20 (01:35:35):
I also think you don't want to end up like
the Bengals, where you wait and then other players get
paid and now you're.

Speaker 12 (01:35:41):
Paying even more.

Speaker 1 (01:35:41):
Point.

Speaker 12 (01:35:42):
Yeah, but he's gonna get paid eventually.

Speaker 16 (01:35:45):
He needs I think he's Yeah, he's so worth it.

Speaker 10 (01:35:48):
Yeah, as long as he stays healthy, he's going to
get totally.

Speaker 16 (01:35:50):
I don't want to at all.

Speaker 20 (01:35:52):
All right, this this is an interesting one and might
expose Evan for being unk, but we'll see.

Speaker 10 (01:35:57):
Uh.

Speaker 20 (01:35:58):
I was a small child when the Carolina Panthers and
Jags became became NFL teams. Do you remember how those
teams got all their players? Did they get multiple first
and second round picks or did they have to fill
the roster with mostly free agents? Fred's drafting futures made
me think about think of this, David Maine.

Speaker 10 (01:36:12):
So the Jaguar, I mean the Jaguars, I wouldn't say
really developed into a great team. Carolina Panthers though, like
the plant the Panthers, the Patriots played in the Super
Bowl that was a mixed bag. Like there were guys
from all over the place that they kind of pulled in,
you know, Julius Peppers and Steve Smith and Moose Muhammad
of course, and you know, really good players. But if

(01:36:33):
I remember correctly, this is probably a better question for
Paul to be honest with you, because he's really good
at this kind of stuff. But if I remember correctly,
they kind of dipped into every avenue.

Speaker 12 (01:36:42):
You know, there's expansion draft, right, yeah.

Speaker 10 (01:36:44):
Usually you get an expansion Draft and then usually that
team gets the first overall pick. I think Houston did
they took Mario Williams or David Carr or one of those. Yeah,
one of those picks. So yeah, it was. But I
remember Carolina and I remember them building a really good
roster with John Fox just going about it all different

(01:37:05):
ways and underrated Patriots Super Bowl, like not a one
that's like really stands out to most people, but in
terms of that game itself, like that was one of
the best games.

Speaker 12 (01:37:16):
At That would be a crazy game.

Speaker 20 (01:37:18):
Now if it was when Twitter was out stuff like that,
just think I think the reactions would have been crazy. Yeah,
all right, last question, Hey, guys, what do you think
is Stefan Digs wearing number eight. At least it's not
the curse number seventeen. Have a nice day, Steffan from Vienna.

Speaker 2 (01:37:33):
Oh yeah, Stefan, Stefan on Stefan.

Speaker 3 (01:37:36):
There we go.

Speaker 15 (01:37:37):
So Dick shared a little bit I don't know when
this will air, but to us it's last night about
him choosing eight, and he shared a screenshot in particular
just about the symbolism of the number eight in the Bible,
as well as sharing screenshots of Kobe Bryant's number eight
Lakers jersey. So I thought that was pretty cool. I'm

(01:37:57):
hoping to talk about that with him in the near future.
We will get him on PEU at some point and
we can ask him personally.

Speaker 16 (01:38:03):
I also think it's like kind of a new error
for him and just trying to take this up forward.
And I mean, if you could wear fourteen, yeah, you
could wear one again if he wants, but.

Speaker 12 (01:38:12):
The Laine fourteen, yeah exactly.

Speaker 20 (01:38:14):
I find it interesting because us growing up, receivers were
in the eighties, but now if you wear an eighties
it's considered like the wash number, which is crazy to me.
But I think eight eight's a solid one. You'd probably
be like eighty eight that's a big eighty three guy.

Speaker 10 (01:38:29):
Eighty eight it's a good receiver.

Speaker 2 (01:38:30):
Yeah, eighty eight is a good eighty nine also does Bryant.

Speaker 12 (01:38:33):
Yeah, yeah, But having eight thoughts on eight, I don't
mind eight. You don't care. You just want him to me,
I don't.

Speaker 10 (01:38:39):
I just want him to catch passes.

Speaker 3 (01:38:41):
But I would say with with digs though.

Speaker 10 (01:38:45):
What I like about eight is there's a lot of
talk about him potentially taking one, which is currently Jalen
Polk's number, and like, technically he's the veteran, Like he
probably could pay Jalen Polk or something like that, or
you'll give him some sort of thanks buddy for the number.
But I like that he didn't want to do that,
Like he put it out on social media, I remember,
and kind of took a poll of fans of what

(01:39:06):
number they wanted him to take, and a lot of
people said one, and he's like, no, one, One's taken
by Polk. It's his number. And I kind of like that.

Speaker 15 (01:39:13):
So here's what he shared about the number.

Speaker 17 (01:39:16):
Eight.

Speaker 15 (01:39:16):
Says the number eight is very significant, such that it
is used seventy three times in the Bible. It's the
symbol of resurrection and regeneration in the Bible numerology eight
means a new beginning and denotes a new order or creation,
a man's true born again event where he's resurrected from
the debt into internal life.

Speaker 1 (01:39:34):
Wow, that's deep, perfect way to join the Patriots.

Speaker 20 (01:39:39):
All right, guys, thank you for joining the Patriots. PU extras.
Let's get back to Patriots Unfiltered.

Speaker 2 (01:39:57):
And now great moments in.

Speaker 12 (01:40:01):
History.

Speaker 2 (01:40:02):
PS. I was hoping you guys could send me some
good luck. I'm a writer in progress and have just
sent off a submission that, if accepted, may get me
my first novel. Keep your fingers crossed for me. Well,
we will absolutely know what you're going through. Claire Claire
from Westan. You don't know what she's going through.

Speaker 1 (01:40:19):
I do. I'm trying to get a book published. I
know what that is.

Speaker 2 (01:40:22):
It sounds like she sent it off. It's like this works.

Speaker 1 (01:40:25):
No, she said she's sent it off, like she's trying
to get it published.

Speaker 10 (01:40:28):
Well, unless I'm misunderstanding what she's saying.

Speaker 2 (01:40:31):
Yeah, Well she's hers is finished, Yes.

Speaker 10 (01:40:33):
So's mine.

Speaker 2 (01:40:34):
It is why I am trying to get it published.
The Africa one. Yes, it's a long time ago.

Speaker 19 (01:40:39):
Right, that's another great moment from.

Speaker 2 (01:40:44):
There was more to that, but anyway, it all comes
full circle though Africa trip I love, No one has
it doesn't exist. All right, we're back here in pages
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Speaker 15 (01:41:13):
Big cut off the questions because I was getting inundated with.

Speaker 3 (01:41:19):
Okay, you can't you can't handle answer all of them.

Speaker 1 (01:41:23):
I could, but.

Speaker 3 (01:41:25):
Put two or three in the in the newsletter and
then just put a link for more.

Speaker 1 (01:41:31):
I want to overwhelm them.

Speaker 9 (01:41:32):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:41:33):
Talking football, we also talking about great and great endings
and TV history. Spiing Fresno writes in This is Football,
have a big old finger wag for Paulli Paul Parillo.
Toward the end of last Thursday show, an emailer asked
if your takes on winning the last game of the
season of change in light of our current sense of
the fourth picks value. Mike said he'll wait until after

(01:41:56):
the draft. If we get Hunter. Mike's fine with that.
Last win, but if not, then not. Paul loved this
praising Mike's Paul likes stubbornness in waiting and holding out
like that, but that is total hypocrisy. Paul routinely excoriates
people for waiting to develop their takes in hindsight, and
now he's praising Mike for angling to do so forsooth.

Speaker 3 (01:42:19):
This is not the PP way.

Speaker 2 (01:42:20):
Stake your claims now infirmly, as if this were the
Oklahoma Land run.

Speaker 3 (01:42:25):
Okay, I'll go touch grass. Yeah, I I from myself,
I admitted I think Heavan was Evan was on an
island to tell he didn't care. And it turns out
that you have the fourth pick and a two player draft.

Speaker 10 (01:42:39):
I tried to tell you, guys there was a two
player draft, and you just you didn't want to believe me.

Speaker 1 (01:42:44):
I don't believe anything you said.

Speaker 10 (01:42:45):
But I actually respect a lot about dude saying he's
not wrong until he's wrong.

Speaker 3 (01:42:50):
That's what That's what I said.

Speaker 1 (01:42:52):
That's it. That's like, hey, we didn't we won a
game and we still got the guy we wanted a
fourth Overall, it.

Speaker 3 (01:43:00):
Could still be the fourth pick and the two player
draft if you get one of those two players, You're all.

Speaker 2 (01:43:04):
Wrong, Ben and Brooklyn says Vintari has to be the
pick for the Patriots Hall of Fame. I wanted to
pick up on that call from Dave earlier this week,
though it was a great call. Just as they've kicked
the can down the road at left tackle, I sort
of feel they've done the same thing at wide receiver,
sure slight nuanced, and that they've at least drafted wide

(01:43:26):
receivers and maybe not true left tackles, as Paul would
say someone who actually played the position, but in the
context of Travis Hunter being available, not taking him would
certainly be kicking the wide receiver can down the road
in a more valuable can at.

Speaker 10 (01:43:39):
That there's no chance that I could be proven wrong
if he's not on the board. But I will tell
you with as much certainty as I can, if Travis
Hunter is on the board at four overall, then he
is a Patriot. They are not going to pass on
Travis Hunter. I can tell you that with certainty that

(01:44:00):
they would not pass on Travis Hunter or Abdul Carter.
I don't think as long as you know, I don't
know about all this off field stuff that's been coming up,
but the player no.

Speaker 2 (01:44:09):
Chance, Jack and and Aba after John Hannah, Logan Mankins
is by far the greatest guard in the history of
the New England Patriots.

Speaker 3 (01:44:17):
Greatest offensive lineman.

Speaker 2 (01:44:19):
He deserves unequivocally to be in the Patriots Hall of Fame.
Why do you appreciate the value of the guard position
as if a team could be successful without a good guard?
Good guard play. The Patriots record over the past three
seasons is a tribute to what happens when the team
doesn't have a competent offensive line. You said something throwaway

(01:44:42):
line right there.

Speaker 3 (01:44:43):
I think the second best offensive lineman in team history,
that's Bruce Armstrong. Yeah, and that's not just my opinion.

Speaker 2 (01:44:50):
Julius Adams, he didn't play offensive I mean Leon Gray.

Speaker 3 (01:44:54):
Yes, he's widely considered to be the third best okay
or in the in the conversation you were in the meeting,
why why are you getting back? You know that you
know that there's people in that meeting that talked about this.
I know more than we do.

Speaker 10 (01:45:08):
I think you can say his name right.

Speaker 3 (01:45:10):
Dante Scott and Ernie Adams both feel that that strongly
about Logan Mankins.

Speaker 1 (01:45:16):
You need I think you need Ernie and uh and
Dante to make the pitch.

Speaker 3 (01:45:20):
Those are the guys they should be making the case
that the pitch for Logan Mankins. Now it was how
you say in absentia. He was not there, but he prepared.
Not surprisingly, Dante came prepared. He had a full breakout.

Speaker 2 (01:45:35):
But the rules are that you can't nominate someone if
you're not in the room.

Speaker 3 (01:45:38):
So well he did, Hey he did. Did you get
the email? But Chris Price nominated him on behalf of Dante,
Like the whole thing was right there.

Speaker 2 (01:45:48):
I know I saw that. But then Chris Stacey said
right after that, you can't nominate somebody if you're not
in the room.

Speaker 3 (01:45:55):
Okay, well I guess any we read it anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:45:58):
But it wasn't considered an official nomination.

Speaker 3 (01:46:01):
It was a nomination. Logan Mankins was nominated. He's on
the ball.

Speaker 2 (01:46:04):
Did you not hear what Stacy said?

Speaker 3 (01:46:08):
Is Logan Manks not one of the nominations?

Speaker 10 (01:46:10):
Price nominated, but thank you and read this statement.

Speaker 2 (01:46:13):
Thank you.

Speaker 10 (01:46:14):
I'm trying to help, but thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:46:16):
He was nominated. Chris Price had to do it for Dante.

Speaker 2 (01:46:21):
But like what, the email wouldn't have worked.

Speaker 3 (01:46:24):
Someone who had to read the email. No, but he
backed it up like if he was the only one
in the room that felt said no, okay, So then
I didn't hear It's not worth to lie and make
it out. Yeah, so it's not what he was nominated.
So what are we arguing?

Speaker 2 (01:46:38):
I know, but it's not worth this.

Speaker 3 (01:46:40):
This isn't even a good one for.

Speaker 2 (01:46:41):
He literally said, you have to be in the room
to nominate and that's why Chris Price had.

Speaker 1 (01:46:45):
To do it.

Speaker 3 (01:46:46):
This is beneath it even me and you.

Speaker 1 (01:46:48):
Well, like what does Dante say, like what he's not
using PFF stats?

Speaker 3 (01:46:51):
I mean what like what is his PFF grade ninety?
Guy actually knows his toughness is versatility, his accolades all pros.

Speaker 2 (01:47:02):
I saw a punch of guy in the nuts and
Denver that that got brought.

Speaker 3 (01:47:05):
Up in the meeting to I mean good part of
the pitch. Someone said, you know what, you know what
a tremendous guy he was off field, you know like
at the time maybe he needs an ec your bond
when it would you know, he can't disagree.

Speaker 6 (01:47:21):
Imagine the difference between what Edelman Gronk induction ceremony would
be like him, like Mankins would probably show up in
like his dirt covered jeans and have like his.

Speaker 1 (01:47:29):
His hatt, like he just got off the tractor, Like
he just rides the tractor up to.

Speaker 10 (01:47:32):
This he would like I hope it would be genuine, right,
But I feel like he embodies everything that you want
an offensive lineman, like not just his talent, but the
snarl and the toughness and the grit that he had
to I mean, he was just that's that's a that's
exactly what you look about, you know, when you look
at prototypes for guards, like Logan Mankins is a prototype.

Speaker 2 (01:47:54):
And when he had to fill in a tackle, he
was competent and shut down.

Speaker 3 (01:47:58):
Terrell Suggs, Yeah, tie it.

Speaker 1 (01:48:00):
Back to Game of Thrones. He's like a bannerman.

Speaker 6 (01:48:01):
You would want Logan Mankins like by your side with
his great sword, you know, taking on all comers.

Speaker 2 (01:48:07):
With It always comes back to Game of Thrones. Chris
with a Tia writes in He says Game of Thrones
ending was rushed so disappointing, especially with how good season
seven was. Alex is right that fat low George R. R.
Martin got rich and became a bigger slob and two
best endings in the series, in my opinion, were two

(01:48:28):
six feet under in Sons of Anarchy.

Speaker 1 (01:48:30):
Oh, Sons of Anarchy, I saw all that one. That's
a tough show, but I really like that show. I
think that show is really well done.

Speaker 6 (01:48:37):
Each season was contained, like you talk about having a plan,
like I never thought, like Star Wars no plan, Like
they didn't know what they were doing when they set
out movie one to movie three. But like Sons of Anarchy,
each season you felt like you get to the end,
I don't know how this is gonna work out. They're
on a pickle now, and then somehow it all comes
back together in a way that you didn't really expect,
and things that you kind of dismissed are important now

(01:48:59):
they at least a few good seasons.

Speaker 1 (01:49:00):
That and and the.

Speaker 10 (01:49:02):
It's a great show. It's a little out it's a
little out there, like there's some things, you know, some
tough topics that it that it covers, but it's really good.

Speaker 2 (01:49:12):
And Jamaica writes in about bad TV endings, he said,
my contribution is how I met your mother. With what
they did with the Mother and Robin correct can't even
rewatch it now feels like they knife me and wasted
my time with all the character growth, including Barney.

Speaker 3 (01:49:29):
No, that's that's thousand percent true. It's hard to even
watch the reruns and enjoy them knowing how it ends. Yeah,
that's how bad the ending was.

Speaker 1 (01:49:37):
What did it end?

Speaker 12 (01:49:38):
Well?

Speaker 1 (01:49:38):
I didn't even think I watched it.

Speaker 3 (01:49:40):
It wasn't.

Speaker 1 (01:49:41):
It wasn't.

Speaker 3 (01:49:42):
It wasn't Robin.

Speaker 2 (01:49:43):
The wife dies, and the wife just dies and then.

Speaker 3 (01:49:46):
He finds his mother, you know, is his wife, and
they like kill her off and he ends up with Robin.

Speaker 1 (01:49:52):
Like it was just that's not bad. That's not a cop.

Speaker 2 (01:49:55):
Kyle writes in did you guys hear about the dire
wolves being brought back in the game The Thrones fan here,
the biggest complaint is that they named the female wolf Kalisi,
after Danny instead of after a character from how Stark
whose symbol is a dire wolf, right.

Speaker 1 (01:50:11):
Like the ghost.

Speaker 10 (01:50:14):
I thought you were talking about the ones in the show,
and I was like, which one's name is Khalisi?

Speaker 2 (01:50:22):
On one of Paul's shows, they're talking about they brought
this dire wolf back from the DNA of a tooth
and they're like, I don't like that. You see what
happened in Jurassic Park your shows, but.

Speaker 10 (01:50:37):
I mean a badasso.

Speaker 3 (01:50:39):
I'm an idiot too. What I don't I don't like
the whole idea.

Speaker 2 (01:50:43):
Of it or bringing back about it. Think about the
reason why they died out.

Speaker 3 (01:50:50):
And I think about like you screw around too much
and all of a sudden, you're bringing t rexes back,
like like, I don't know, have you seen the movie?
Have you seen Jurassic Park?

Speaker 2 (01:51:00):
It's because it well for Newman and they're like, whoa,
there was a bad guy in Jurassic Park. That's and
they're trying to like it wasn't real.

Speaker 1 (01:51:08):
I know it was a movie, but like this, I
just Jeff Goldblum's whole point. It's like, you know, life
finds away, so school.

Speaker 10 (01:51:16):
They keep on remaking Jurassic Park. Like you would think
they would have learned their lessons.

Speaker 15 (01:51:21):
They keep making everything. No one has any more original
ideas that they want to invest money into. They just
want to remake everything we've already had.

Speaker 2 (01:51:30):
So yeah, you think about like a thousand years in
the future and we keep doing this kind of stuff,
and now we're actually creating life on other planets. You know,
we're changing atmospheres and we're actually putting life on other planets,
and you think, well, maybe that's how we got here.
You know, maybe somebody did that.

Speaker 1 (01:51:49):
Wow, that's deep philosophical here.

Speaker 3 (01:51:51):
I don't think they did. Just watching us from.

Speaker 2 (01:51:53):
Everything is just one big circle and it just keeps
happening over.

Speaker 15 (01:51:56):
And coming back because they see us a little out
of hand down here. So all of a sudden, UFOs
are real life, get into some quantum physics.

Speaker 2 (01:52:10):
David says best ending was New Heart, no doubt about it.

Speaker 3 (01:52:13):
I liked that ending. Fred didn't. I thought there was
a cop out.

Speaker 2 (01:52:16):
Yeah, I thought so, Oh it's all a dream. Yeah,
I liked it.

Speaker 3 (01:52:21):
I thought it was very clever and very funny.

Speaker 2 (01:52:23):
I don't think it was a big hit.

Speaker 3 (01:52:25):
I think you're right now because I think a lot
of people have gone to that crutch dreams. You know,
I know how well we don't. We don't have any
idea what we're doing. All it was just a dream.

Speaker 6 (01:52:35):
Cheers was a pretty famous one where where Sam saying
goodbye to the bar, and I don't know, it was
strange to have an emotional connection to a sitcom that
it meant a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:52:44):
I mean, it was obviously hugely popular show. But then
they ended it kind of.

Speaker 3 (01:52:49):
Yeah. I thought it wasn't terrible, but I didn't love it.

Speaker 2 (01:52:52):
I mean, it was ironic, but it was it was.

Speaker 3 (01:52:56):
But you see what happened. They ended up the same thing.

Speaker 2 (01:53:00):
I know, they copied the ending and you know, unabashedly.

Speaker 3 (01:53:03):
I don't know if you understood, but you know, like
the whole thing with the but that was like one
of their.

Speaker 1 (01:53:08):
Episode season one stand up, he didn't you get.

Speaker 3 (01:53:16):
I don't particularly like Erry. I thought it was like
the worst part of the show. Bob Doyle was Bob
Doyle gets passionately like set with me. He likes he
likes Seinfeld. You do too, I think I love Feld.

Speaker 2 (01:53:33):
Real stand up. I saw Seinfeld before the show. I
saw him at the Paradise and.

Speaker 3 (01:53:39):
It all gets back to what Fred did is as
a youth.

Speaker 2 (01:53:43):
I remember Seinfeld's appearances on The Johnny Carson Show.

Speaker 12 (01:53:47):
I was.

Speaker 2 (01:53:47):
I was a big fan before Seinfeld.

Speaker 3 (01:53:49):
I loved I loved the show. I still watch a
lot of reruns of it. But the ending wasn't great.

Speaker 2 (01:53:55):
Yeah, no, I agree, it wasn't that great.

Speaker 3 (01:53:57):
It wasn't terrible. I mean, like bringing back the characters.
That was kind of funny, I thought.

Speaker 2 (01:54:01):
I think off air, we talked about the ending to
Breaking Bad, which I thought I thought it was a
good ending. A lot of people didn't was as good
as it be. I think, yeah, it was a tough
show to end like that. A lot of people thought
the show should have ended two episodes early.

Speaker 10 (01:54:15):
Yeah, you know, I could see that.

Speaker 15 (01:54:17):
Yeah, Like we said off there, people get so emotionally
invested in these shows. That's like, what is going to
make you happy?

Speaker 1 (01:54:23):
You know you do?

Speaker 3 (01:54:24):
I think that some of that was Seinfeld, like it
was such a good show, so popular, how do you
wrap it up? And then like Friends was another really
popular show, and they went like the cop out like
happy ending, and everybody was annoyed with that too, because
that wasn't a great ending. It gets hard. It's hard
when you have shows like that to strike a perfect balance.

Speaker 2 (01:54:46):
So Chad says, it's a lie that the wolves are
genetically derived from extinct animals. They are genetically modified to
look like the ancestors. Fake news.

Speaker 10 (01:54:56):
That's even I feel like that's even scarier. So they're like,
they're test tube wolves and we want that.

Speaker 1 (01:55:04):
How do you not name Atlas something from the Game
of Thrones, the dire Wolves.

Speaker 10 (01:55:08):
Well, Atlae we you know big dog, so like Atlas,
you know, big strong world. Yeah, that's where he came
up with that. Plus we also wanted to go a map.
We want to go in alphabetical order.

Speaker 1 (01:55:21):
How many dogs you get?

Speaker 3 (01:55:22):
There's a couple of calls on the line there, Fred,
we're running out.

Speaker 2 (01:55:25):
Of Okay, let's let's get to the I'm too busy
with the Sorry about that. Derek's in South Carolina. What's up, Derek, Derek,
He's not there. He's been hanging on for over an hour.

Speaker 1 (01:55:39):
I forget it.

Speaker 2 (01:55:39):
Sorry, Let's go to Paul Paul in California.

Speaker 3 (01:55:44):
Paul Hey, Hey, yeah, yeah, Fred.

Speaker 4 (01:55:49):
Pine caller but long time listener. So I'm I apologie
ahead of time if it has been at or talked
about before. So I have two questions. So, if you
England it's a trade down in this draft, which team
would you want them to trade for the big and
which player do you think they would pick on that

(01:56:13):
trade down? And the second question is, if this is
too early to ask for this coming season, which season
record do you want the team to finish in the
top ten, top fifteen, or make it to the wild
wild card.

Speaker 1 (01:56:34):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:56:35):
Okay, So the first part, I don't care who they
trade with trade down?

Speaker 3 (01:56:38):
Yeah, I mean, but would you want to trade you know,
a long way.

Speaker 2 (01:56:43):
I was going to say the higher the better, obviously.

Speaker 3 (01:56:45):
Yeah, stay in the top ten.

Speaker 2 (01:56:47):
Yeah, I don't care which you know? Oh sorry? And
then in terms of who they pick who they get
after they trade down, I mean, tell me who's still available.

Speaker 1 (01:56:59):
I don't know, uh is uh does?

Speaker 6 (01:57:03):
And does the Raiders at six or I know the
Saints another team but they want to come up and
try to get him. I don't want to move out
of the top ten, but I still think you could
get a Will Campbell a Membo.

Speaker 10 (01:57:16):
Guys, the Saints at nine feel like an interesting spot.
I know some of the you know. Nick Underhill does
a really good job covering them. Says that at least
right now, like the temperature is that they would not
make a move up for Sanders if he had to guess,
but that that one feels like the most likely you know,
team that really needs a quarterback is within shouting distance

(01:57:37):
of getting up, you know, high enough to take take
Shador before everybody else.

Speaker 2 (01:57:41):
Do you want to stand the second part His second question.

Speaker 1 (01:57:45):
How you want the papers to finish wins.

Speaker 10 (01:57:48):
I want to win the Super Bowl?

Speaker 1 (01:57:51):
You know?

Speaker 2 (01:57:53):
Was it a neither or though?

Speaker 3 (01:57:54):
Like, yeah, I think that we because he was kind
of going in and out, so I'm not sure that
maybe we missed some nuance.

Speaker 2 (01:57:59):
To Plus, they're like bringing in dirt for the Monster mash.

Speaker 1 (01:58:03):
Bring it out. They put the dirt back in dirt,
just moving that dirt. Two weeks of like dirt and
dirt out.

Speaker 15 (01:58:13):
Evans like, are you sick?

Speaker 2 (01:58:14):
I'm like, no, I get ahead of it the last week.

Speaker 1 (01:58:18):
I should have done that. Are you sick?

Speaker 2 (01:58:25):
If I get behind in my alley, I forget it.
I'm like uncontrollable, sneezing a little bit of all right,
that's going to be it for this edition of Patriots Unfiltered.
We what's going on? Well, we'll be continuing to cover
all this off season training stuff. Anything going on this
weekend of no nothing.

Speaker 1 (01:58:45):
Weeks to go.

Speaker 2 (01:58:46):
Yeah, okay, well we'll see you next Tuesday. It's Fred.

Speaker 3 (01:58:55):
Thanks for tuning into Hey this is Fred.

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Speaker 2 (02:00:00):
Okay, we do this. I mean to the tangible numbers.

Speaker 1 (02:00:02):
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Speaker 10 (02:00:04):
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know how to work it. I'm surprised, you know an
old man over here. I thought maybe i'd have to
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Speaker 3 (02:00:12):
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