Patriots Unfiltered 4/17: Latest Draft Buzz, Trade Scenarios, Best Draft Fits for Pats

Tune-in as we discuss the latest on the 2025 NFL Draft with exactly a week until the Patriots make the fourth overall pick. Who are the best fits for the Patriots and what are some reasonable trade scenarios? Plus, Fred teases a few of his behind the envelope guys.

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 3 (00:09):
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Speaker 4 (00:15):
Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered.

Speaker 5 (00:19):
They have a pick at the top of the fourth round.

Speaker 6 (00:21):
Yeah, we want to be on for that. Yeah, it's
a top one hundred pick six, top pick six.

Speaker 4 (00:29):
It is a good school, it's whatever. It's a tough school.

Speaker 5 (00:32):
I don't have many respect for those schools.

Speaker 6 (00:34):
So you hear what you're saying, passive aggressive shot at
me right there.

Speaker 5 (00:39):
All's a cool kid.

Speaker 6 (00:40):
I am not a cool kid. I am as uncool
as you can get. As the action figure would show you.

Speaker 2 (00:45):
You be very happy in it, though, very happy action figured.

Speaker 6 (00:48):
Paul and someone said way too much hair.

Speaker 4 (00:50):
After hearing the back and forth about where ship dors
Sanders will get drafted and hearing both Paul and Mike's takes,
there needs to be some sort of bet placed on it.
Twenty five push up to see if either could actually
do it or something equally emasculated.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
Just for the record, I could do twenty five push ups.

Speaker 6 (01:06):
Oh, I could do twenty five after lunch, now.

Speaker 4 (01:10):
Pushups challenge.

Speaker 7 (01:14):
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Speaker 4 (01:23):
All right, welcome the Patriots Unfiltered. It is Thursday here
at Jillette Stadium and we are officially one week away
from the draft. Can you feel it? Can you feel
the excitement? I feel it definitely, yea more supportingly. What
are you going to get for food that night?

Speaker 5 (01:42):
I've already talked to people about this.

Speaker 4 (01:44):
Oh yeah, insight.

Speaker 8 (01:46):
Maybe what are we thinking?

Speaker 9 (01:47):
LSU crawfish perhaps? What about some Rocky Mountain oysters? Maybe
what's one for Penn State?

Speaker 4 (01:57):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:57):
Something white? That's the white outstairs?

Speaker 6 (02:01):
What do you mean by that?

Speaker 2 (02:05):
That was the first thing that came to mind with Happy.

Speaker 4 (02:06):
So it's Evan's ball, it's me, it's Deuce, it's Alex,
it's Matt Nabooth.

Speaker 6 (02:11):
And White Wonder Brand.

Speaker 4 (02:13):
Of course, we'll be talking draft this show as much
as we can. But you know, any other news that's
come out, what's this stuff going on with the Raiders?
Cool left tackle could come of it?

Speaker 5 (02:27):
Somebody doesn't go to voluntary one one day miss bringing
voluntary practices and must be getting traded to the Patriots.

Speaker 4 (02:35):
You know, that's the only way Colton Miller.

Speaker 2 (02:37):
Colton Miller, you need a left tackle. Hey, Josh loved him.
He was a captain for Josh. So see why some people.

Speaker 5 (02:43):
His beef wants money.

Speaker 4 (02:44):
He wants money.

Speaker 5 (02:45):
He's gonna be a free agent next year. Contract No, no.

Speaker 4 (02:49):
I mean like his first post rookie contract.

Speaker 5 (02:52):
I don't believe so no, I could be wrong about that,
but yeah, he's been in the league for a while.

Speaker 4 (02:57):
Okay, all right, is he You know, I don't know
much about Colton Miller, so I'm asking is he a
top tackle? Does he warrant top tackle money?

Speaker 5 (03:08):
Upper echelon? I'd say above average left tackle in the
NFL probably fall in that like ten to fifteen range
if you wanted to like rank all the tackles in
the league. But he was a big board guy for
a lot of people back in the day, very very athletic,
good size, good height, good length. You know, he had

(03:28):
some issues coming out of college, just like technical, you know,
football issues, and has really turned out to be a
really good player. You know, there were some developmental questions
of whether or not he was going to get there
coming out of college, but he has in the league
and he's he's one of the better tackles.

Speaker 2 (03:45):
Yeah. That was the Isaiah wind draft.

Speaker 9 (03:47):
So that was Solder had left and looking at a lot
of the tackles at that point, you could almost say
that's where I've kind of started to go, not started,
but continued to go sideways with the.

Speaker 2 (03:56):
Draft with Isaiah winning. Yeah, see what could happened maybe
if they drafted cold.

Speaker 5 (04:00):
Yeah, definitely was like when was looked at as more
of like the Polish technician, finished product, and Miller was
more of the raw tools guy, and he's he's reached
his ceiling.

Speaker 4 (04:11):
So guy like that what twenty million a year?

Speaker 5 (04:14):
Is that what he going?

Speaker 4 (04:15):
Right?

Speaker 5 (04:15):
Probably around eighteen to twenty million, like a good quality And.

Speaker 4 (04:19):
What do you think the Raiders would what would they
be asking for? Would they be asking for a draft
pick from the Patriots or would think, yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:26):
I mean anything.

Speaker 9 (04:27):
I just like, again, we're so desperate for left tackles.
You see one become a little bit disgruntled or a
story You're like, like, these teams shouldn't let these tackles go.

Speaker 2 (04:37):
They should do what most teams are gonna do.

Speaker 9 (04:39):
And all right, you're not coming to voluntary listen negotiate
and figure it out.

Speaker 2 (04:42):
That's what the Raider should do. I don't think they
should turnround and trade.

Speaker 4 (04:44):
Them might you know. The way I'm thinking of it
is is he good enough and if to pick his
third round or lower? Is it worth for the Patriots
to investigate that so that it frees them up in
the first round to not have to worry about left
tackle for a year or two?

Speaker 2 (05:01):
Sure, you know, I mean it's realistic. I think, yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 5 (05:05):
He's definitely worth exploring. I just I find it funny
that he skips one day of voluntary workouts and all
of a sudden he's getting traded. Like we're still probably
pretty far away from.

Speaker 4 (05:15):
That actually, right, But did he skip it saying here's
why I'm skipping it. I want money.

Speaker 5 (05:20):
Yeah they know he wants Yeah, No, they know he
wants a new contract. But there's we're we're a couple
of steps away from I want a new contract to
now I'm on a different team.

Speaker 9 (05:32):
Oh yeah, well yeah, But don't you always say the
Raiders are kind of cash poor?

Speaker 2 (05:36):
Perhaps, so maybe maybe there's something.

Speaker 4 (05:37):
Well they were, but now now with being in Vegas,
maybe things are different. You know.

Speaker 2 (05:44):
I just think those positions.

Speaker 9 (05:46):
If you have the player in house, it's so hard
to find that left tackle spot hang on to him
unless unless he really doesn't want to be there anymore.
But I think it's just the money thing, so I
would assume they figure it out.

Speaker 5 (05:56):
Yeah, it's always hard with these to like come up
with the proper compensation because these guys get devalued that
want new contracts or need new contracts. So you would think,
when you know a dk Metcalf or a Colton Miller,
one of these players that caliber become available, like it
would be a lot in return to try to get
that player. But when you need a new contract, it

(06:17):
tends to really hurt the value. So you could be
looking at some people have thrown out, like trading thirty eight,
you know, the second round pick to the Raiders for
Colton Miller. That might not even necessarily be necessary, but
you have to trade the pick and you have to
give them one hundred million dollars, right, And so you know,
those are the two things that we're seeing more and
more of now that have hurt guys values in the

(06:41):
trade market, which makes it end up makes it worth
it for the team to just keep the player because
you're not even really getting you know, a huge return
for him anyway, so you might as well just keep
the player and see how things go.

Speaker 4 (06:53):
Yeah, all right, So that's one topic of discussion. The other,
obviously is the draft. And have since Tuesday any new
rumors going around, any guys dropping guys, you know, going up,
going down. I I want to announce that I do
have the r lads. Came in the mail yesterday here

(07:15):
it is right there, and I've been going through it
as well as Dame Brugler's beast. I've started to create
my back of the envelope. I've started obviously with wide receivers.
I need to hear this as I feel like that is,
you know, one of the positions of need.

Speaker 6 (07:33):
So I don't know, you're a good wide receiver scout
for a very good I make fun of Fred for
everything that's not one of the things I choose to be.
So he's excellent at wide receiver evaluations.

Speaker 4 (07:43):
So I tried to like, obviously, you know, Teed McMillan
should be on anyone's board, you know. And I've got
a star next to Matthew Golden. I think I might
even take him before tech McMillan, and then would you
like to see my stars? Yeah? Well, first of all
my back of the envelope player.

Speaker 5 (08:01):
Yeah, are you ready to unveil this?

Speaker 4 (08:03):
Yeah? Just wide receiver for all the others.

Speaker 5 (08:06):
All right, but he's getting really excited.

Speaker 6 (08:10):
Can I take the most.

Speaker 4 (08:12):
Movies, the most listened to me since I hired him?

Speaker 6 (08:15):
Can I take a guess at one of your back
and can I take a guess? I can't wait one
of your guys, Go ahead, Kyle Williams.

Speaker 4 (08:22):
No, no, no, But I did hear his name mentioned
on the radio today.

Speaker 6 (08:25):
Everybody's been talking about. That's why I figured he was
one of your back envelope.

Speaker 4 (08:29):
Somebody did a feature on him, I think on ESPN.

Speaker 5 (08:32):
Oh, he might be in one of our mock drafts
coming up here.

Speaker 4 (08:34):
No, he isn't. My top back of the envelope player.

Speaker 10 (08:39):
Is none of the Nick Nash that I'm ashamed of
myself for not because you knew it.

Speaker 5 (08:53):
You drew you guys thought that was Nick.

Speaker 6 (08:58):
That was the Douce special that he's.

Speaker 5 (09:01):
He's a little bit of a sleeper now because he
didn't run very well and he doesn't have the athleticism
that he necessarily would like. But you know power slot.
You know, bigger guy uh that plays inside. Fred's good hands,
can climb the ladder, can catch seam, you know, run
the seam and and catch you know, high point the ball.

(09:21):
And he's got like a good lower center of gravity
about him to to break tackles and things like that
and crazy crazy college production.

Speaker 6 (09:30):
So a little quarterback background, I think, as well, you know, just.

Speaker 4 (09:34):
Not saying Nick Nash and day one or two, late fifth,
sixth round pick for me, Yeah, you know, but.

Speaker 6 (09:42):
I like him on my I wasn't making fun of
you about saying he was a first round pick.

Speaker 4 (09:48):
Yeah you can back of the so so here you
keep him on the guys that I So, here's what
I do. This is my method. I go through this
book and I go through uh Brugler and guys that
you know from what they've written, you know, a call
out to me. I star, and then I go to
the Internet and I start watching their tape and see

(10:11):
if written kind of matches their their tape, and if
it does, then I put a star next to them.
So other guys that I put stars next to Jayden Higgins,
I think everybody right, Tory Horton.

Speaker 5 (10:23):
Oh good one. Good one. Kind of a by low
candidate coming off an injury. Didn't play much last year,
but it was really good in twenty three.

Speaker 4 (10:31):
Yeah, Keandro Lambert Smith.

Speaker 5 (10:34):
Fast guy.

Speaker 4 (10:36):
I said he needs to put a little bulk on,
but yeah, he's a fast guy.

Speaker 5 (10:41):
Ty Fulton another one, another fast vertical receiver. Yep, okay Maryland.

Speaker 4 (10:46):
Then Nick Nash. Dante Thornton Junior. Now the name kind
of threw me off a little bit, but.

Speaker 6 (10:56):
Named Thornton guy.

Speaker 5 (10:59):
I tweeted about Dante Thornton. The amount of replies that
said no more Thorntons is ridiculous.

Speaker 6 (11:06):
Yeah, and my.

Speaker 4 (11:07):
Final uh wide receiver star is Isaiah and Neyer. Okay,
he's out of Nebraska.

Speaker 5 (11:15):
Yeah that one, Yeah, that's that's that's four. That's a
deep one. But is one of my one of my
sleepers in this draft. Basically run runs like two routes
right now, weird offense at Tennessee right, uh, you.

Speaker 4 (11:29):
Got you got.

Speaker 5 (11:30):
It's a development is coming from right. But he's literally
built like DK Metcalf. He's like six four two o
five with a four three forty yard desk.

Speaker 6 (11:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (11:39):
When he's and he and his speed, you know, translates
like you put on the tape and he runs by people.

Speaker 4 (11:44):
So that's a little sneak peek at what you're going
to be getting on Tuesday with my back of the envelope.

Speaker 6 (11:49):
Players, that's the money spot though wide receiver. That's your
fourte I would I would bet good money that one
or two of those guys will turn out to be
excellent players. Track records there, Mike track records there.

Speaker 4 (12:05):
Now, none of these guys are BTT guys, so no
question you know what I mean by that?

Speaker 2 (12:10):
Yeah, I think so just behind the.

Speaker 4 (12:12):
No bang the table. See you didn't know. I assume
that I don't know what a BTT guys. I didn't
know the table.

Speaker 6 (12:21):
I didn't know what that was.

Speaker 9 (12:23):
Is that difference between a PTT pound the table like
banging the table or pounding the table?

Speaker 4 (12:26):
I couldn't be the same.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
Yeah, because I'm pound the table.

Speaker 4 (12:29):
You could pound the table or bang the table.

Speaker 2 (12:31):
I prefer to pound it.

Speaker 4 (12:33):
But none of these guys, really, there's no justin Jefferson's
here obviously, you know, so w g O. I guess
I can't make WET. I can't make that up. But
you know, I think these are all guys that I
wouldn't mind seeing on my team.

Speaker 2 (12:51):
All right, you know we should keep this right.

Speaker 9 (12:53):
So if one of them comes in for an interview,
you know you can show them right here.

Speaker 2 (12:57):
Start had you start up? Yeah, like me left Marcus
Jones off my thing. But that's fine.

Speaker 5 (13:03):
You're still kicking yourself about that one.

Speaker 2 (13:04):
That's good. That's good content. You know, look at me.

Speaker 9 (13:07):
When you told him, because I'm just going to react
to I thought you're too small.

Speaker 2 (13:12):
That was just all of those things.

Speaker 4 (13:14):
But Jack says about draft food and recognition that the
draft is being held at Lambeau. Your special draft men,
you should include brought worst kilbasa, pola, sausage, beer, cheese, soup,
cheese curds which are actually really good if they did right,
macaroni and cheese, Sheboygan, summer sausage, and a variety of cheese.

(13:35):
Is to eat with bread or crackers like I have
to we.

Speaker 6 (13:39):
Have to work.

Speaker 11 (13:43):
He's going to have to sit on the toilet.

Speaker 4 (13:46):
It's can I tell you speaking of getting sick for drafts?
So I guess last year we had Shinese food, Like
a lot of people got sent to the latrine for
really Oh yeah, I don't know what was going on,
like usually, but a few years ago, and it might
have been the year twenty twenty when we were in
the war room, our war room, not the team's war rod.

Speaker 2 (14:08):
We're talking about that now.

Speaker 6 (14:09):
I had to figure that was home.

Speaker 4 (14:11):
I had to walk off, like I thought it was
just like my stomach herd. I thought it was just
like bad gas or something. It turns out I had
an infected, infected gall bladder which I had to get
removed like two.

Speaker 2 (14:21):
Months, Like, oh jeez, yeah I know that. Yeah, so
the platriots draft that didn't see it was the food.

Speaker 4 (14:28):
Okay, so that that happened, a draft night's beauty that
killed the beast.

Speaker 8 (14:32):
Maybe we go healthier.

Speaker 5 (14:34):
I've heard a new NFL sponsor might be in the
in the running.

Speaker 4 (14:42):
Well we know who that is.

Speaker 9 (14:43):
Yeah, I mean that way, the options are limitless with
that potential sponsor.

Speaker 7 (14:47):
Well we get three cracks the Christian Gonzales year that
the Chinese food incidn't happen.

Speaker 4 (14:52):
Yeah, because last year I thought, okay, two years ago, okay, yeah.

Speaker 8 (14:56):
Which could cause the same issues.

Speaker 9 (14:58):
Really, yeah, don't remember, we were fine, we got iron
stomach's Paul, don't worry well me.

Speaker 2 (15:04):
Especially plow right through it.

Speaker 6 (15:07):
So anyway, okay, I could see Andy having a hard
time because he couldn't remember.

Speaker 4 (15:14):
We went to somebody's wedding and he spent literally the
whole wedding in the bathroom.

Speaker 6 (15:19):
He shall not be named.

Speaker 4 (15:23):
He did. I went in there and it was just awful.
Got awful. It's like, what's going on in here? It
was Andy, Yeah, probotics. We drank a lot that.

Speaker 6 (15:33):
Night, Yes we did.

Speaker 4 (15:36):
We did.

Speaker 6 (15:37):
I recall I had to pull the trigger when I
got back to my hotel room. Sometimes you got to
do it. If I didn't, that's just like shaking her
head at me.

Speaker 8 (15:51):
That's the parometer.

Speaker 12 (15:53):
Wed Like if you're out a wedding and you have
to sneak away to the bathroom for a couple of
minutes and come back like nothing ever happened, having a
fun time.

Speaker 6 (16:01):
Oh yeah, this was after the like you know, I
I got it through the actual weapon.

Speaker 4 (16:05):
And this was why laid down everyone to sleep and I.

Speaker 6 (16:10):
Was like, yeah, this isn't gonna work.

Speaker 5 (16:12):
Like you don't make it to the brunch on Sunday morning,
that's when you.

Speaker 2 (16:14):
Know your bridesmaid tamble there putting together for speeches as
well as for those of you.

Speaker 6 (16:20):
Who don't know me.

Speaker 8 (16:26):
Writing that speech.

Speaker 6 (16:26):
Actually, my ride or died.

Speaker 4 (16:31):
So perfect my soulmate because she knows she made.

Speaker 2 (16:37):
For the Saturday when they were doing what was it,
the shoot the guy's name? They do the brestmaids singing
and they always go back like three or four of them. Yeah,
did that happen before we talked about it with you?
Because that's exactly what it's making fun of.

Speaker 9 (16:54):
Is like the girls who have like a special thing
for their friend Domingo.

Speaker 6 (16:58):
Yeah, it is plassible.

Speaker 4 (17:02):
Andrew writes in he has a PU guarantee game for
us based on the draft like it.

Speaker 6 (17:07):
Love the games the Brady.

Speaker 4 (17:09):
Vegas is or the Jersey Giants take Shador Sanders straight
up or via trade potentially with us. I don't know
what that means with us, but if it doesn't occur,
I will pick up your lunch tab for two broadcasts
next week. So he's guaranteeing it.

Speaker 6 (17:24):
That either the Giants or the Raiders, or the Raiders
trade up to do it.

Speaker 5 (17:28):
Yeah, or his drafting period. Okay, that's great, Yeah, okay,
Well the Giants wouldn't have to trade up right.

Speaker 6 (17:33):
The giants take him where the raiders take them?

Speaker 4 (17:36):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (17:36):
Period, Yeah, what do we have to do.

Speaker 4 (17:39):
If when it does happen, you agree to compile an
initial edition of Best of Great Moments at PEU History
thirty minute or so download. So basically, if he wins,
Matt has a lot of work to do. I mean
giving the thumbs up. He bring on, baby, bring it on.

Speaker 6 (17:55):
I'm not scared.

Speaker 4 (17:56):
Okay, he's okay.

Speaker 6 (17:58):
Those are my kind of bets. I can only stand
to gain.

Speaker 4 (18:02):
He said. Fred glossed over this recommendation request. Uh, via
my recent email after ripping the watching McCall it's gift
I sent PU a few years ago. Yes, Paul, terrible
person mark tape for a best of moment to ensue.
Now you call me a because I called the watch
McCall it's sawdust? And did you call me a terrible person.

Speaker 6 (18:24):
That Eric was a big fan of the watch, and
you and I were like, it's a candid yeah, but
I guess, but it was a good gift.

Speaker 4 (18:32):
I guess Andrews sent it. I actually threw the watch
McCall it across the you did?

Speaker 6 (18:36):
You did?

Speaker 4 (18:37):
Eric?

Speaker 6 (18:37):
And that might be when I said you're a terrible person, right, yeah,
just because you came.

Speaker 5 (18:42):
Here, just because you were.

Speaker 4 (18:43):
Just I said, this is sawdust and I threw it
at her. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (18:47):
Yeah, he looked sad.

Speaker 4 (18:48):
And anyway, he says, thanks, p you go, Pats A
v S. Yes, Deuce, What does a v S means?

Speaker 2 (18:57):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (18:57):
No, I don't either. Uh, and sees he's going for
a seized nuggets finals alves aves Avalanche.

Speaker 2 (19:07):
The avalanche nuggets is not I don't see that.

Speaker 6 (19:11):
I don't see.

Speaker 4 (19:12):
And he says, Fred, did you get your allergy tests yet?

Speaker 6 (19:15):
No?

Speaker 4 (19:15):
I didn't. I'm not going to get one unless someone
comes and gives it to me. So he's a doctor.
If you want to come, Andrew and we'll let you in.
You can administer the allergy test right here on air.

Speaker 6 (19:25):
There's a lot going on.

Speaker 8 (19:27):
Supercross and motocross is gone. Hopefully we all get better.
But I was having me walk in the tunnel. It
was just like a dirt clear.

Speaker 4 (19:38):
You don't think it. I think you were because it
is allergies right now, just sneezed she had.

Speaker 6 (19:49):
Really I think we might have to separate them.

Speaker 4 (19:51):
Yeah, is that right? Okay?

Speaker 2 (19:55):
Alright, I don't get sick to get stuff in the newsletter.

Speaker 6 (19:59):
Good time to bleed.

Speaker 2 (20:00):
Now that's how to tuck.

Speaker 4 (20:04):
All right. I was going to bring up a story
from the past, but you.

Speaker 6 (20:08):
Don't like stories, the stuff that you'll probably leave out.

Speaker 4 (20:14):
I was at a party this is I guess. I
was in my thirties and this guy was telling people
I've never been sick in my life. So I didn't
really know him that well. But in true Paul fashion,
I had to interject, and so I looked at him.

Speaker 6 (20:29):
It's actually Brian fashion.

Speaker 4 (20:30):
But okay, I said, so you're telling everybody you've never
been sick once. No, I've never been sick. And we
got into it.

Speaker 6 (20:38):
See I would have gone to you and said, I'm
not buying that. Brian would have been not no, no, no,
you've been sick. Everybody's been sick. Brian would have called
him out evern nely Fred did.

Speaker 4 (20:50):
It would have been a whole thing.

Speaker 2 (20:51):
What was a secret to you? I'm like, well, what's
your secret? Then, you've never been sick?

Speaker 4 (20:54):
Like, I don't know. I don't get it.

Speaker 2 (20:56):
I just don't.

Speaker 4 (20:56):
I've never kept repeating I've never been sick, I've never
been sick.

Speaker 2 (21:00):
Did you keeping this guy. Yeah, you still know this guy.

Speaker 4 (21:05):
I know who he is.

Speaker 9 (21:06):
I'll just be keeping an eye on. You know, it
comes to an end of his time. You know, he
had the flu.

Speaker 6 (21:15):
He got the flu and he never recovered once.

Speaker 4 (21:19):
All right, what else.

Speaker 5 (21:21):
Does that new sweatshirt?

Speaker 2 (21:22):
Maybe?

Speaker 5 (21:24):
I literally just realized that you're wearing a Jumpman sweatshirt
and I was like, that does not look like a
dou sweatch?

Speaker 6 (21:32):
Was that a birthday gift? No?

Speaker 2 (21:34):
No, this might I might have found this down to Florida.
Oh no, socks might have one that.

Speaker 6 (21:41):
It was in the swag bag.

Speaker 5 (21:42):
I like, I have quite like that. You're cheating on Reebok.

Speaker 9 (21:46):
With I know, and I wasn't allowed to wear Nike
growing up. Yeah, I do still feel a little dirty
when I wear Nike stuff.

Speaker 5 (21:51):
How does like your Rebrock brethren feel about the Michael
Jordan's signing with Nike and being the greatest like sports?

Speaker 9 (22:00):
I mean, we've a smaller company now, Evan, they're owned
by Audidos.

Speaker 2 (22:04):
They're the big you know, they're not going.

Speaker 4 (22:06):
Back with Nike.

Speaker 2 (22:07):
Well, back then we had Michael Chang. I mean, don't
forget that Michael Chang. We had who else? Do we
have shack?

Speaker 5 (22:15):
But they missed.

Speaker 4 (22:17):
The uh uh dunk contest winner from the Yeah de Brown?

Speaker 2 (22:23):
De Brown?

Speaker 6 (22:24):
You watch that episode of Celtic City.

Speaker 4 (22:26):
I haven't seen that one yet.

Speaker 6 (22:27):
It's not bad they did. They did a good job
with Reggie.

Speaker 4 (22:30):
Yeah, oh did they? Because I saw the one biased
one where they went over that one. All right, what else?
What else do we have to talk about before we
get to the calls and emails?

Speaker 9 (22:42):
I just feel great right now for it because I
feel like all the draft pre draft preparation and articles
and videos and everything we had to do, we've kind
of wrapped up in the last couple of days.

Speaker 2 (22:50):
So it's like just a.

Speaker 9 (22:52):
Sigh of relief, ready to just never jump into that
draft Nike coverage and see who they pick and.

Speaker 6 (22:59):
Just fine catch up with you get.

Speaker 2 (23:01):
Into like OTAs of May June July.

Speaker 9 (23:04):
This is kind of our a little bit of our
down period, which I love because you get to watch OTAs,
so you get to, you know, pseudo football, but just
going out there with the guys, sitting watching these guys
practice a little bit, see what that's like. So I
don't know, I just feel like you turn a corner
last year was a little stressful because we had Brady Night.
There was so much preparation going into that too. But
now I just feel like I'm excited to get the
new guys, see the OTAs and and you know, kind

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of get a little break before training camp. I don't know,
just turning the page.

Speaker 6 (23:27):
I'm looking forward to the draft, just to get some
clarity and figure out, you know, because we all have
the holes that we've been talking about. Which one of
those did they address? Did they address them with guys
that you hoped that they would, you know, And then
what else needs to be done. You sort of get
more of a picture of what the twenty five team
will look like.

Speaker 9 (23:46):
I'll just say I just say last sorry, I just
say the Friday, next Friday, it's I always love that
day when they bring the first round pick in and
there's just there's always a cool sense of energy, no
matter who the pick is, Like, you know, everybody comes
in where else he.

Speaker 6 (23:58):
Is so the polar opposite of me and everything too.

Speaker 5 (24:02):
I think that's the best day.

Speaker 9 (24:04):
But Paul, there's a reason why you like it too, though,
I think is because the weather usually is nice.

Speaker 4 (24:08):
Like it's like the weather's starting to come.

Speaker 2 (24:09):
Around and outside, and.

Speaker 9 (24:13):
It's gonna sound silly in retrospect, but when that year
we picked mac Jones and it felt like after twenty
twenty was such a sideways year and they were gonna
hit the reset button and they had the huge free
agency period and then you drafted a young quarterback and
going out there, it just felt like renewed hope.

Speaker 2 (24:29):
And I think every.

Speaker 9 (24:30):
Team feels a sense of renewed hope each offseason, for
right or wrong. And again here we are again feeling
renewed hope again with Mike Rabel here and you know,
whatever pick they.

Speaker 2 (24:38):
Have will be We'll be exciting.

Speaker 4 (24:41):
Grant rights in he says Fred and Gang. I'm a
Husker fan. Fred might be the first Patriots guy I've
heard mentioned Isaiah and Nayer. I believe he was graded
as the highest rate of receiver based on his physical
traits at the combine. Is that true?

Speaker 5 (24:55):
Uh, he was up there. I don't know if he
was the highest depends on you know which metric you
look at.

Speaker 4 (25:00):
He has a major problem though he can't catch at all.

Speaker 5 (25:03):
I figured out.

Speaker 4 (25:07):
That he could potentially be a great jump ball guy.
He was just a disappointment this year. Because he couldn't catch,
had a bad drop in the Iowa game where he
was wide open in the fourth quarter that didn't seem
to make YouTube, and ultimately it pretty much summed up
his season. Loving all the content this week, loving the
longer draft analysis, pocket, well, I like that because he's

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got something to prove. He's gonna come into the league
with a chip on his shoulder.

Speaker 6 (25:31):
I'm not gonna lie for it. That's a tough one
to overcome, not catch, to catch.

Speaker 5 (25:35):
Yeah, I didn't want to be the one to, you know,
pop the balloon and be like, well catch.

Speaker 4 (25:41):
There's a reason why he's rated in the seventh round.

Speaker 5 (25:44):
Yeah, he's the round.

Speaker 4 (25:45):
He's a value pick. Yep. And that's why they're back
of the envelope. And this is in the envelope. They're
not in the front of the envelope. They're in the
back of the air.

Speaker 5 (25:53):
Not talking Ted McMillan and Matthew Golden here, we're talking
round right. I got you.

Speaker 6 (26:01):
KK can't catch.

Speaker 5 (26:02):
Just give him some stick them. It will be fine.

Speaker 2 (26:06):
There was another one junk machine.

Speaker 5 (26:08):
Just get out there and work, just catch like fifty balls.

Speaker 6 (26:11):
Fifty five hundred ten minutes. This thing will be over
in two minutes. Get on it, snuggle Rude.

Speaker 4 (26:19):
There was a good email that I wanted to talk
amongst yourself while I find.

Speaker 6 (26:23):
This so deuce. You know, I mentioned that your your birthday, yeah, yesterday,
and that you spent some time, you know, some deuce time.
You had a lovely dinner with your wife's time.

Speaker 2 (26:35):
That could be misinterpreted, but yes.

Speaker 6 (26:38):
I'm sure after, especially when you're talking to people, did
anything special.

Speaker 9 (26:44):
It was nice, had a nice, wonderful lunch in the
city with my with my wife in the city. Yeah,
we went to the North End to get a wonderful Yeah.
The Sunday was it the Sunday?

Speaker 2 (26:56):
What do they call it? Sunny macaroni? That's what it is.

Speaker 9 (26:59):
Thank you, Carmelinas is wonderful and then just wonderful. I'm
happy to report. I guess I can make the announcement.
Here's go right to the camera. I did officially get
the Orca Lego set.

Speaker 2 (27:08):
That was my only president from my family. But I'm
very excited. I also realized.

Speaker 9 (27:13):
Last time I was thinking about it all and I
was going to ask you this, not you Evan and
not you Alex, of course, because you haven't seen it.
But uh, I realized that every time I see a
boat anywhere that is a fishing boat and has like
the front kind of like vaguely resembles the layout of
the Orca with the lung. I don't know what the
official term for where you walk out at the end,
and like.

Speaker 6 (27:33):
I don't for what does he say for scale?

Speaker 5 (27:37):
For scale in the port.

Speaker 9 (27:39):
I realized that I compare every boat I ever see
to the Orca, like every single boat I've ever seen that,
I'm like, it's a little like it's a little short
in the Orca, but I think that the front is
probably a little while like every single boat I see,
I compare the Orca.

Speaker 2 (27:54):
So I'm very excited to put that together. Hopefully my
kids will help me.

Speaker 6 (27:57):
Maut like a weekend project.

Speaker 2 (27:59):
I don't know, we'll see.

Speaker 6 (28:00):
Although its supposed to be Niceliday is part of it,
maybe not a good weekend.

Speaker 2 (28:04):
There was some discussion of maybe getting a floating shelf
in the house somewhere to display it.

Speaker 5 (28:09):
Perhaps you know it always floats, We're not going to
find out it floats or not.

Speaker 2 (28:14):
Front room.

Speaker 9 (28:16):
Well, I threw the front room out there to my
wife and surprisingly she wasn't having it in the front room.

Speaker 6 (28:21):
But like the Brady bunch with the pool table right
the family room.

Speaker 5 (28:26):
I thought it was a whale, like you said, it
was an orca, and I was like, why do you
want to the.

Speaker 2 (28:31):
Ship because the orcas can kill sharks.

Speaker 6 (28:33):
You wouldn't know that. I thought you saw.

Speaker 5 (28:35):
I mean like ten years ago.

Speaker 6 (28:36):
And one time. Okay, you like my ad libing, but
I was pretty good.

Speaker 4 (28:43):
It was good. It was good.

Speaker 6 (28:44):
I have a very hat. He looked at me like a.

Speaker 11 (28:50):
Photo like eight pm, and I was like, oh no,
what did me and Evan do?

Speaker 8 (28:54):
It was a happy photo, I know.

Speaker 5 (28:57):
And that's when I found out it wasn't actually a whale.
It was the boat.

Speaker 4 (29:02):
Have you started it?

Speaker 6 (29:03):
No, not yet.

Speaker 2 (29:04):
I'm savoring it, Fred. I'm gonna, you know, really gonna
sit down and enjoy it. Hopefully my kids help me.

Speaker 9 (29:08):
I am nearly a fifty old man who got a
lego steps his birthday though, So all right, Hi, did.

Speaker 6 (29:14):
You open it?

Speaker 4 (29:14):
How many bags?

Speaker 6 (29:15):
I don't know how.

Speaker 2 (29:16):
I didn't open an yet. No, not yet, I will mat.
Matt was no one's more excited than the that I
share that he was.

Speaker 6 (29:21):
Oh, I was all I have a million of those
that that you know, the kids got when they were younger.

Speaker 4 (29:27):
So this is from Brian and Swansea. He says, I
was curious, curious how far down the rabbit hole Evan
Deuce and the others went inventing this year's top prospect
for the NFL Draft? Can they name the draft prospect
based on the following interesting facts?

Speaker 6 (29:43):
This is a lot of pressure on a lot of
pressure on you too.

Speaker 9 (29:46):
Hope is as easy as it was for barth on sports.

Speaker 4 (29:49):
And so far I'm going down. These are top guys.
So these aren't like guys. You know, which top draft
prospect is an avid fisherman and it's claimed to be
a better bass fisher and then a football player.

Speaker 2 (30:01):
Travis Hunter, correct ding ding Ding, I didn't know.

Speaker 5 (30:04):
That big fish.

Speaker 4 (30:05):
Yeah, there you go, ding ding Ding.

Speaker 2 (30:07):
Does he fish?

Speaker 4 (30:08):
He does, so bass pro might be alure.

Speaker 2 (30:10):
He's he does trolling and well he paish both.

Speaker 5 (30:14):
Hunter here, he likes to fish and he likes to
play ball. That's it. He said that those are the
two things that he spends all his time.

Speaker 8 (30:22):
Is it just bass fishing? We got to take him
to the ocean.

Speaker 2 (30:24):
Surprised, never knew that wasn't bold. That's not part of.

Speaker 4 (30:26):
Four to all right? Which top draft prospect went on
an alligator hunt with members of a personal injury law
firm as part of an n I L deal and
wrestled live alligators onto a boat.

Speaker 6 (30:40):
Sound like it sounds like Will camp.

Speaker 4 (30:44):
I had.

Speaker 6 (30:44):
I did not know that. BYU, we're not going to go.

Speaker 2 (30:51):
Buy how hard he's going to get a whole new.

Speaker 4 (30:54):
Which top prospect played high school football his freshman year
at Naples Middle High School near Naples, Italy. That's correct,
and you.

Speaker 12 (31:05):
Know why because his father served in Italy for a
year military.

Speaker 5 (31:11):
That's correct.

Speaker 4 (31:11):
Good Alex.

Speaker 8 (31:13):
Good Alex sometimes like surprise you guys.

Speaker 6 (31:16):
Which top prospect surprised Alex?

Speaker 9 (31:18):
I believe actually did extensive research on him, because she's
like to just must know something.

Speaker 8 (31:23):
I tried to find the lifestyle angles, you know, sure?

Speaker 4 (31:26):
Which top prospect is an aspiring actor. He played the
tin Man in a high school production of the Wizard
of Oz and has done professional voice over acting work,
including a commercial for the SEC.

Speaker 5 (31:39):
For the SEC yep Kaalen Walker.

Speaker 4 (31:43):
Well, he says Walker, but it's Jalen Walker. That's good.

Speaker 6 (31:47):
Wow, the tin Man, the SEC I was gonna say,
you're not looking to draft guys that played the tin man.

Speaker 4 (31:53):
He's a smaller probacy.

Speaker 2 (32:00):
You probably want the scarecrow. There's no brain. But if
you can just play, like, don't think just two more?

Speaker 4 (32:04):
Wow more, we don't want to. Which potential top of
the draft prospect has a barbecue tasting series on Instagram?

Speaker 2 (32:13):
It's another good one, this one barbecue.

Speaker 9 (32:17):
I like it.

Speaker 5 (32:17):
Barbecue tasting series.

Speaker 4 (32:20):
Kelvin Banks Junior.

Speaker 5 (32:21):
I was gonna say, you had Texas.

Speaker 8 (32:24):
It was a good questions barbecue. Maybe we make him
a sauce.

Speaker 5 (32:26):
Yeah, maybe we got Vince Wilfork involved.

Speaker 2 (32:28):
Oh barbecue.

Speaker 5 (32:31):
Yeah, it's overall.

Speaker 4 (32:32):
Finally, finally, which potential top of the draft prospect shares
the same name with an NHL goalie also drafted in
the first round. This goalie played the majority of his
fourteen year career for an NHL team with the same
nickname as this draft prospect's final college team. Wow, that's
a that's a fun question of dotted lines thereank guy, Huh,

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I don't know, cam Ward.

Speaker 5 (33:04):
Oh, I guess very good. Yeah, Okay, yeah, yes, that's
very good.

Speaker 6 (33:09):
That's a very good question.

Speaker 4 (33:10):
Email of the weekend.

Speaker 6 (33:12):
That's really good. We should have we should have gotten
that one. Hurricanes, Carolina, Hurricanes cam Ward, we should have
gotten that one. That was a great question.

Speaker 5 (33:21):
I don't like Carolina. I don't care for them.

Speaker 2 (33:24):
The Whalers, No.

Speaker 5 (33:26):
The Whalers are great, but the coaching.

Speaker 4 (33:29):
Eight pass five hundred is the hot line.

Speaker 2 (33:32):
Let's see.

Speaker 4 (33:33):
We have Christian from Virginia. What's up? Christian?

Speaker 6 (33:38):
Hey, guys, how's the going good.

Speaker 13 (33:42):
I want to opinion on Jalen Knowle, especially a little
bit he's watched a little bit of his tapmen. I
thought that he was pretty reliant on a scheme and
bad coverage. You know, he's really and.

Speaker 6 (33:56):
I think Jalen Milroe, Okay.

Speaker 4 (33:59):
You're breaking up there.

Speaker 5 (34:01):
Get Jalen Nole. I think it's who he said the
receiver I was.

Speaker 6 (34:06):
I thought he was talking about Milrow.

Speaker 5 (34:08):
I feel as though that was what he said because
he said that. I've given my take about that player.
I have not talked as much about quarterbacks obviously, so
I would think it was Jalen Nole from Iowa State,
who was, yeah, really good prospect, really good Day two prospect.
I've compared him to Tyler Lockett. You know, vertical slot speed,
slot receiver. I can win down the field, can win

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at the second level. Really good route runner, really good combine.
I mean just kind of checked every box.

Speaker 6 (34:36):
So I think at the end he said something he
felt like he was maybe overly reliant on slants on Oh.
I don't know, is that what he said, because I
thought he was talking about Milrow and that was really
throws that he was throwing. Maybe, I don't know.

Speaker 5 (34:49):
I don't know.

Speaker 9 (34:50):
I don't know that I was incredibly consistent, So I
mean maybe that's true.

Speaker 6 (34:55):
But yeah, everybody has him. Yeah, you know on the radar, he's.

Speaker 5 (34:59):
A he's the best bet I would say to be
this year's Lad McConkey. Like, yes, a guy that's probably
more of an inside receiver, but just a great route runner,
explosive guy.

Speaker 4 (35:12):
Yeah, yeah, let's see Nick Nash Mouritz writs in from Germany. Moritz,
longtime listener from Stuttgart. I have a quick question. Can
you guess how many games catches in yards are former
tight ends Dalton Keene and Devin Sae having their Patriots career.

Speaker 2 (35:36):
Won sugar that's eight. I mean it's under.

Speaker 4 (35:40):
Team has six games played, five targets.

Speaker 5 (35:46):
He played six six games, played.

Speaker 4 (35:47):
Five targets, three catches for sixteen yards, and one fumble.

Speaker 5 (35:51):
I have no recollection of him.

Speaker 6 (35:53):
I missed all three of those catches. I never remember
him catching a pass I called one, but maybe I'm.

Speaker 4 (36:00):
Games. Played seven targets, two catches, thirty nine yards.

Speaker 6 (36:05):
I remember one of them. I like.

Speaker 5 (36:07):
I Actually I had some hope for him.

Speaker 4 (36:09):
I did not know why they were such busts.

Speaker 6 (36:13):
Well, I mean, I sometimes you just misevaluate. I will
agree with Evan as much as it pains me. I
liked I remember writing his profile, you know, after we
drafted him, and I thought there was something there. Dalton
Keene I didn't get. I didn't. I didn't get the
fascination with him. He was sort of a guy before
the draft that a lot of people around here were saying,

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this could be a Patriot, this could be good. And
I watched him I think Virginia Tech, if I'm not mistaken,
I didn't see it. I did not. I didn't really
get the whole fascination with the versatility, the h BAC
type and all that. I just didn't think there was
a lot of athleticism there for that kind of versatility.
ASSISI when talking to people, and this would be just anecdotally,

(36:56):
like he's asking why they busted. Talked to a couple
of guys that he was around, and I think there
was a problem with him initially sort of being committed
taking it seriously, you know, you know, committing himself to
being a professional. I think was something that the people
said could be an issue. He was eventually really good,

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and I talked to actually one of his coaches that
actually got really cool. One of his position coaches got
really close with him and really spoke highly of him.
He's a good kid, works hard, but sometimes it took
them a while to get him to that spot, and
he was concerned that if it didn't happen right away
from him, he could slip back into those things. So
maybe just some of that stuff off field, you know,

(37:41):
there were commitment issues.

Speaker 9 (37:42):
I throw one other thing I'd throw into the mix.
There was reaching on a need, and at that point
they lost Gronk. You had a year of my buddy
Matt Lacosse as your number one tight end. Felt like
they got into that draft where they were a little
desperate for those.

Speaker 2 (37:54):
Kind of players and maybe reached on a couple of them.

Speaker 5 (37:56):
Yeah, that was like the Adam Troutman draft and the
I forget who the other guy wasn't buking on him.
But there was like a handful of guys right in
that range of the draft.

Speaker 6 (38:06):
Was an athletic kid from like Florida something. Yeah, Donald
Parum maybe.

Speaker 5 (38:11):
He was might have been in that draft. That might
have been later. He was a later round picked.

Speaker 6 (38:14):
Yeah, but it was a time where I did care.

Speaker 5 (38:17):
But there was a bunch of guys. Troman, I think,
was the first one that was drafted out of the
in the string that went in that like third or
fourth round range. I thought as had some potential as
a receiver and a blocker. Keene was, like Paul said,
he was a full back h back convert type. And
everybody got infatuated because his college nickname was Rambo because

(38:38):
he was like this, like, you know, uh kind of
great athlete, you know, great uh Jim Ratt, you know
type of guy, and and it was a little crazy,
so they called him Rambo.

Speaker 2 (38:49):
He got hurt too, he had a lot of injury issues.

Speaker 5 (38:51):
Well, that was what I was going to bring up.
Like not I didn't necessarily see it. I was kind
of with Paul on that, but he also had a
ton of injuries that piled up.

Speaker 6 (38:58):
It makes me feel good, ball noer on my side.

Speaker 5 (39:01):
Well if you do, you if he had been playing
full back, like okay, like there would have been a
role on a team for him, but like it wasn't
like he was ever going to be this huge contribute.

Speaker 6 (39:09):
Definitely. Both of those guys had some injury problems right
away as rookies. But Keene had a lot of injury issues.
I think that maybe it's unfair to say he couldn't play.
I just don't think he was ever healthy enough.

Speaker 5 (39:20):
To play even like back to college. He had like
he had injury issues throughout his entire football journey.

Speaker 4 (39:25):
Yeah, Tayken right sin his first name is spelled t
y k y n tyken. Maybe maybe there's absolutely no way.
I'm the only one that's big on Gent at four.
You got genty in May and you really don't even
have to fix up the left side of the line anymore.
He's just laughing, But seriously, it would be so fun

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to watch May and Gent carry us to a ring.
So I don't know, I want to talk about him
a little bit more because there. This is a guy
who could be you know, uh An All, Harris and Bryant.

Speaker 6 (40:01):
You know, he could be Cleveland.

Speaker 4 (40:04):
You know, he could be something really special. And like
if the Patriots did actually take him at flour would
you be that outrage.

Speaker 2 (40:14):
Well, I don't think I should. Probably you accuse myself.

Speaker 12 (40:18):
A perfect example of the first one through the wall
gets a little bloody, but then everyone else you put
the way.

Speaker 4 (40:24):
For everyone else there you go.

Speaker 9 (40:26):
I mean I just say, like two things for me
is that I do kind of subscribe to get your
trenches taken care of first, make sure you have the
guys up first. But I don't necessarily subscribe to there
being a set order of how you have to construct
your team where you need this player at this point,
Then you get this player at this point. Now you're
ready for running back, now you're ready to trade for

(40:46):
a veteran wide receiver.

Speaker 2 (40:47):
Like I don't buy into like this is the order
it has to be done.

Speaker 6 (40:51):
It.

Speaker 9 (40:51):
I just get the best players you can get, and
eventually you hope that it all comes together in a
way that you can overcome if you still have a
hole at left tack.

Speaker 4 (40:58):
So what if you do get Colton Miller. Yeah, now,
and then you draft Genty? Are you outraged? Are you
guys upset? Paul would because he's a running back.

Speaker 5 (41:08):
I wouldn't be outraged if they drafted Genty because if
you're truly going to stick to the board and take
the best player available at four overall, he is the
best player on the board. Now, there's other things with
positional value and all that kind of stuff that goes
into it. But you know, to your suggestion, Fred, like
if you take Genty, the rest of the draft has

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to be focused on offensive line, like where you're taking
multiple shots at tackle now, and you probably need to
add a center or a guard or somebody that can
maybe play both those spots. So you're talking about.

Speaker 4 (41:42):
You're saying that you have to do that because now
if you're going to get a running back, you gotta
make sure that you can block form.

Speaker 5 (41:49):
Correct.

Speaker 6 (41:49):
You also didn't get a plug and play tackle because
you didn't take one at four, right, So now whoever
you get in the second round isn't as sure a
thing to be able to start right away. So Evans
saying we got to that problem with Ball.

Speaker 5 (42:01):
Yeah, if you're gonna draft Genty, you need to make
it work, like you need to build the foundation around Gent.
And I was listening to Mina Kimes on ESPN talk
about Genty and she just said, you know, you can't
expect a running back to fix a bad offensive line.
Like he's not going to single handedly come in. And
she used, you know, all the examples that everybody you know,

(42:22):
Saquan and New York and McCaffrey and Carolina and like,
you know all these other teams that tried this, you know,
even to an extend Atlanta with Bijon, Like, you can't
expect the running back to work unless you have the
infrastructure to support the running back. So if they went
Gent and they were gonna build it around Drake May
and Ash and Genty offensively, well, then the next like

(42:42):
three picks better be tackle, tackle guard, because you better
load up on the offensive line and make sure that
you have that figured out.

Speaker 2 (42:49):
I just I think Paul's point is really out.

Speaker 9 (42:51):
I just if you were to take Genty there, I
feel like it would necessitate having to trade up from
your second round pick back into the first round to
get a tackle. If you don't get will k Hamble
or Membo up top. I think it's a long fall
and you're probably gonna then miss out on the Josh
Simmons of the world, the Connor Leis of the world.

Speaker 2 (43:09):
Maybe not ursery, but.

Speaker 9 (43:11):
It's like we always talk about there certain position groups,
they thin out really fast. If you don't get the
tackle in the top half of the first round, you
really are struggling to wait till that second pick and
think that there's gonna be one of those guys sitting there.

Speaker 5 (43:21):
It's just your identity right like that You're now your
identity is going to be these two guys in.

Speaker 4 (43:27):
The half the first run, you know, like the run.

Speaker 9 (43:30):
Of edge maybe edge edge maybe like I could see
like walking Question Williams.

Speaker 5 (43:35):
And there's just so many edges that like edges. So
that's a good going across the entire draft. Like I
like if you I think that, you know, you look
at receiver too, and like at some point Ted, Matthew Golden, Agbuca,
like those guys are gonna go and probably quick succession,
maybe Luther Burden if he clears, you know, off the field.

(43:56):
So like those four guys in particular at receiver, you know,
early tw I think you're going to see like two
or three of them like a couple of years ago,
when you know Jackson Smith and Jigba and Jordan Addison
and those guys all went in like the group of
like five picks. I think you're going to see that.

Speaker 4 (44:10):
Ever, so, if you're a Lions fan back in the day,
and instead of drafting Barry Sanders, you drafted somebody and
somebody else, like the wide receiver and it resulted in
you winning a Super Bowl, which would you have rather
had Barry Sanders all those years or that super Bowl?

Speaker 6 (44:27):
Yeah, I mean it's a super Bowl, right, so that's
what you But I mean that's a different time too.
Like no one, no one would have said, like Barry
Sanders was a bad pick, but you know you said
that that I would hate it, and I would not
hate the pick because of the reasons that Mike and
Evan said about. You can make a very strong argument
that he's the best player available. The concern would be

(44:48):
the last thing that Evan mentioned. It sort of would
signal to me how the team would want to play.
I don't want to play that way. I think you
have a dynamic young quarterback and I want to sentuate him.
I don't want to have him handing the ball off
twenty five times a game. To Ashton genis what.

Speaker 4 (45:05):
If he's Ladani and Thomlinson, he can catch the ball.

Speaker 6 (45:07):
Yeah, I don't want I don't want to have one
guy out of the backfield that I'm reliant on. Putting
that a little bit that that's the way that Mike
Rabel played in Tennessee. So I that would be my concern.
I think Genty is a good player, and if they
take him, I will not to yo you use the
word of Paul would be outraged. I would not be outraged.

(45:27):
I think there's a very strong argument for it. I
would be concerned that this means they want to run
the ball, say seventy thirty, and I don't want to
do that.

Speaker 2 (45:35):
I think it's that. I think that's totally reasonable.

Speaker 9 (45:38):
I would just say one other thing is I think
there'll be a couple of different runs on running backs.

Speaker 2 (45:42):
They'll be little pockets.

Speaker 9 (45:43):
Genty will go somewhere in the top ten, but then
you'll have like the OSU kids, you know, You'll have
the North Carolina kid. They'll go in a little clump,
and then probably in like the second, late second, early third,
there's going to be another big run on running backs
when one starts to go and then teams start to
move to get there.

Speaker 6 (45:58):
I think there's a lot of teams that play and
you know, like Detroit. Let's use Detroit, right. They're a
really talented team, they have a lot of they have
a lot of things going for them, and Jamier Gibbs
has been excellent. Would that offense be that much different
if it was David Montgomery and another guy and not

(46:18):
Jamier Gibbs. I don't that you didn't take with the
twelfth pick. Well, I have much answer for you. Before
Gibs got there, they were really good. How much assaultionis
Like Jamal Williams had like twenty touchdowns one year and
he's kind of a jaggy running back. So that's why
I wouldn't necessarily love that idea. Not saying that Jamiir
Gibbs is not light years better. He's better than Montgomery.

(46:40):
But what does that necessarily do for you? Is my question?

Speaker 4 (46:45):
Whereas could it open it up for the passing game
because you've got that threat in the backfield that you
have to pay attention to, it makes play action that
much more.

Speaker 6 (46:54):
I just don't think it works all that yeah.

Speaker 4 (46:57):
It may not.

Speaker 5 (46:58):
Just but just I love that Paul is with the
nerds on this.

Speaker 2 (47:01):
Yeah, well he's consistent.

Speaker 6 (47:03):
I meant, but I don't want to make it sound
like I don't think you should ever run the ball.
I think that you need to be able to run
the ball effectively in situations. You need to be good
in short yardage. You need to be good on the
goal line, goal to go, you need to be able
to run the ball into the into the end zone.
And you need to be a good full You need
to be a good four minute offense. When the other
team knows you're going to run, can you line up

(47:23):
three times and get a first down? That's not an
easy thing to do. So I'm not suggesting these teams
that want to run the ball there's stupid. No that
there's a time like Philadelphia was a ground oriented offense
and just won the Super Bowl going away. So I'm
not telling you you can't win doing that. I think
that's an exceptionally talented roster that would have won the

(47:43):
Super Bowl without Saquon Barkley, even though Saquon Barkley ran
for two thousand yards. I think that they were really,
really good. I think that's sort of an anomaly. I
you know, Detroit is also really really good, but they
don't need just like this star running back that you
use the top fifteen pick on. They're good because they

(48:06):
have good players the offensive line, you know, good receivers
that sort of I think the receivers open it for
the running back, not the other way around. But it
is definitely and Hunter Henry talked about this with us
last week about how it's sort of changing a little
bit and teams are relying a little bit more on
the run game nowadays. So but it's probably cyclical. I'm

(48:26):
probably going to be looking bad in the next year
or two.

Speaker 9 (48:29):
I don't know, though, because you know Tevan's point about
the nerds, and we heard this, you know, from Ben
Johnson in Indy and you're even heard it from Rabel
that pass EPA is almost more important or not almost
pass EPA is more important than turnovers.

Speaker 2 (48:41):
And that's what we always talk about.

Speaker 9 (48:43):
It seems like a lot in the past here it
always started and ended with just don't turn the ball
over that you know, be safe with the ball.

Speaker 2 (48:48):
That's but I think that backs up what you're saying, Paul.

Speaker 9 (48:51):
It's saying we need to be and Rabel said, I
think in his opening press comes we need to be
efficient with the pass and that's and that's what it is.

Speaker 2 (48:57):
So I don't think you're wrong.

Speaker 4 (48:58):
I think you may early you need to on the ball,
but the top flight is a luxury.

Speaker 6 (49:04):
They I don't think you'll need to have that stud
running back to be able to run the ball well
enough to have a good offense.

Speaker 5 (49:10):
I just think that people here, like when it comes
to the NERD stuff, they it's not about volume, it's
about efficiency. Like no one's saying never run the ball
like that. That's not anyone's take on this whatsoever.

Speaker 4 (49:22):
It's to run.

Speaker 5 (49:26):
No one ever said like no, no nerd ever says
do not don't run the ball. Period. But the point is,
to Mike's point is just that the passing efficiency is
the number one thing, whether you want to use EPA,
whether you want to use passer rating deficiency, you know,
what you give up versus what you score and passer
rating like those things more or less decide games, Like

(49:48):
when you look at the correlation between wins and losses,
that that's it. And I just the other thing with
gent and I understand that you know you can you
can say this about any prospect, but like the Ladanian
Tomlinson comp to me is just a little bit crazy,
Like and like we're comping him to a top five
running back in the history of the league that's had

(50:10):
a lot of really good running backs, a first ballot
Hall of Famer. Like I I think he's a great player,
and I think he's a great prospect, but I don't
know if he's Ladanian Thomlinson.

Speaker 2 (50:21):
I mean, you've made yeah comp.

Speaker 9 (50:23):
I think that's probably closer to where he is. I
think he might be a little better than Morris Jones Drew,
but I think he's probably closer to him than he.

Speaker 5 (50:29):
Yeah, And and you know, like Bijon Robinson when he
came out, was touted as a blue chip, you know,
elite running back and he's been good, but he hasn't
been you know, uh, Ladanian Tomlinson for Atlanta. So I
just I understand that everybody you know sees that comp
At NFL dot Com, I think is you know, lands

(50:49):
their line has comped him to to Ladanian Tomlinson, and
it's like it's setting the bar extremely high that he's
going to be there.

Speaker 6 (50:56):
And to me, It's less about like all the you know,
the the analyticals out of it with Evan and Mike
are talking about with the EPA and you know, the
percentages running and whatever. The biggest reason I don't want
to use that high a pick on a running back
is the shelf life, Like, what is he going to
look like when I have to pay in his second contract?

(51:17):
Am I going to get a bang for that? You know?
Whereas you know I can get an edge rusher who's
going to be entering his prime, I can get a
wide receiver who's going to be good for another ten years, right,
you know you're going to pay out at the point
you never you never know. I mean, these guys can
lose it like that, and that league injuries happened. You know,
Agent like Jamar Chase just signed the biggest wide receiver

(51:39):
deal and he that that's exactly what we're talking about.
Would you feel better giving Jamar Chase the contract he
got or having to go to Jamiir Gibbs right now
and giving him I mean, obviously he's not going to
get that wide receiver contract, but making him the highest
paid running back in the history of the game, I'd
feel a lot better about Chase, not because I think
I think Jamiir Gibbs, for what he's asked to do,

(51:59):
is pretty pretty close in talents to Jamar Chase. I mean,
I think you can make that his explosiveness, his big playability.
He transforms that often. He's a great player. But would
you feel great about having to make him the highest
paid running back ever, you know, when he's in his
fifty year, as opposed to giving the wide receiver the
highest paid wide receiver ever going to feed year.

Speaker 8 (52:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (52:21):
I always look at, you know, Zeke's career arc and
that's what I expect Genti's career to look a lot
like because both of them were relied so heavily on
in college, you know, at their respective schools that they
really carried their offenses in college. And then they got
to the pros and Zeke and his rookie contract was
one of the best running backs in the league.

Speaker 6 (52:42):
For another one of those guys, Leon Bell Y Leveon
Bell had nine million carries at Michigan State, and he
was really good with Pittsburgh right for a while.

Speaker 5 (52:50):
Yeah, you know, Zeke was All Pro running back for three,
four or five years and the Cowboys gave him that
second contract, and it just.

Speaker 6 (52:57):
And they know in that position, knows that the short
shelf life puts a lot of pressure on them to
get that contract. For a guy like Bell, he was
constantly holding out. He was constantly you know, squawking because
he knew and it wasn't his fault. He knew, I'm
not gonna be I'm not gonna be a great running
back for twelve years. That doesn't really have you know,
Curtis Martin's don't come along very often.

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Email one from Daniel.

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Is there a world where Carter, despite your opinions, is
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Speaker 16 (55:32):
Reading this correctly, Carter's there for right, and we take
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Would be the true like take the need, not the
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Speaker 17 (58:59):
I'll jump in here. I think Derrick Henry I feel
like all the older running backs like that was the
peak of the running back position, like the Marshall falls Smith's.

Speaker 5 (59:10):
I would give him top twenty, maybe top thirty.

Speaker 1 (59:12):
I don't know.

Speaker 17 (59:13):
There are a lot of running back There's so many
good running backs in this world.

Speaker 16 (59:16):
And that being said, I think he's the last of
a dying breed. I don't think he'll ever be another Derek.

Speaker 11 (59:20):
Henry again talking like modern day running back.

Speaker 12 (59:24):
I mean, he's just a specimen. Like I say all
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Speaker 16 (59:28):
To I mean twenty ten, twenty tens, he's top yeah, right,
top five?

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Is that fair?

Speaker 1 (59:34):
Twenty tens?

Speaker 4 (59:35):
I would give honestly top ten?

Speaker 1 (59:38):
When did he hit the league? Twenty sixteen top three?

Speaker 6 (59:41):
Sixteen, twenty fifteen.

Speaker 11 (59:44):
Top three?

Speaker 8 (59:44):
I think he's finally on a team where people will
appreciate his I.

Speaker 17 (59:48):
Mean he got a first last year, for sure player
with Lamar, Yeah, for sure his final couple of years.

Speaker 8 (59:54):
That team is a cheek code.

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I mean, Derrick Henry pretty much knocked Brady out of
Fox Bro. They just did a back dive for a
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in Action? All right, guys, holy blank, I don't know
if that Paul Action figure is a joke or real.

Speaker 1 (01:00:10):
I'm still catching up on.

Speaker 16 (01:00:11):
Tuesdays and Yesterday's shows, But if that's the real, tell
if that's real, tell me where to send the check
or who to call with my credit card.

Speaker 1 (01:00:17):
I'm Paul's biggest fan.

Speaker 16 (01:00:18):
I'm sure you guys are screwing around, but that's all
I have to say, if that's legit, thanks Matt and
Fort Myers.

Speaker 1 (01:00:23):
So this is the Alex project.

Speaker 11 (01:00:26):
This was my little brain child. Unfortunately it's not real.

Speaker 12 (01:00:30):
This was for those unfamiliar, for those not on Twitter,
it was kind of like an AI trend to create.

Speaker 11 (01:00:37):
Everyone was creating.

Speaker 12 (01:00:38):
These little dolls of themselves, right, and I was like,
oh man, thinking about the wheels returning, about the PU crew,
and there was just so much content there. But I
was like, okay, first is going to be Paul. Paul's
the easiest one. I can just rot the accessories exactly
so they're not real. It was a little chat GPT

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projects like I put in some overtime hours refining it,
coming up with the little sayings like I think I
worked on that till like eight pm, just perfecting it
that Thursday night.

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But the reception has been amazing, So we're gonna do.

Speaker 8 (01:01:18):
Let's put oh that's not about it.

Speaker 5 (01:01:23):
All featured shirt. So I'm gonna do.

Speaker 12 (01:01:26):
I'll probably do Fred next for this upcoming newsletter, just
because it was such a hit for Paul's. But I've
gotten a lot of text messages, emails, tweets saying like,
if you guys sold this, it would sell out instantly,
So maybe we need to get in touch with like
I don't know if you guys have any toy manufacturers

(01:01:49):
in your rolodex, if you have any contexts maybe in
China that we can get this done and manufactured at
a good price. Let me know, reach out and maybe
it'd be something fun to auction off and we could
get Paul a new car with the process.

Speaker 17 (01:02:06):
What you could do is on the T shirt Patriots
unfiltered across the chest under is each action figure as
it goes down, so it's like each person.

Speaker 12 (01:02:14):
Under the Yeah, there was another trend too, where you
like turn yourself for like a famous picture into an anime.
So I didn't know which one I wanted to do first.
But I don't think there's a good picture of the
entire PU crew.

Speaker 1 (01:02:29):
Something from a training camp, But even.

Speaker 11 (01:02:32):
Training camp, I don't think all five of us.

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Have ever done a show together.

Speaker 12 (01:02:35):
It's always I have one from my first season of
training camp with just Paul, Fred and Deuce, but me
and Evan are never doing it together. So maybe we
need to take a group photo for some promo and
then multipurpose it for like an anime. Photo or like
a T shirt purpose or autograph purposes autograph. But yeah, chatchie,

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he was working overtime for me.

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I wish I had that during college, but that's a
different story.

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And now great moments in.

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History. Why the Patriots never blew anybody out of the
Super Bowl says always been a mystery to men.

Speaker 6 (01:03:28):
I think they're kind of low key. One night, you know,
I never felt like Evans says that he never had
any fear of losing the game against France. I never
had any fear of losing.

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That's exactly.

Speaker 6 (01:03:40):
I had fear of going to Pittsburgh in THEFC Championship game,
and I know what the score ended up being, but
that game to me was the Super Bowl. I never
had any fear. I thought that the Patriots did not
play particularly well in the first half of that game.
The second half they asserted their dominance. They got a
ten point lead with whatever it was three minutes left. Yeah,
Eagles got to know by the way touchdown at the end.

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It's a perfect comparison exactly how I never felt that
game was in doubt.

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Yeah, I didn't feel fear it myself. Yeah you were
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Little dropt talk a little maybe a part two of
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Speaker 8 (01:04:48):
It was part one, Part one. The Paul action figure,
Oh okay, which I think we have a demand to
create a.

Speaker 4 (01:04:57):
Little everybody's doing a the show.

Speaker 12 (01:05:00):
But if we actually had one manufactured, I think we actually.

Speaker 4 (01:05:03):
Have a meeting with get him on the shelves so
you can get these actually made. No, I'm saying if
we were it were it would fly off the show.

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We could probably do an auction for you.

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Can put them in stores, just saying, so, is anyone
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Seen, but like, if we have a listener with a
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Speaker 6 (01:05:28):
If there's a way any way that I can make
money off, please.

Speaker 9 (01:05:33):
Well not the organization off, and we'll get him officially
licensed parlough swag.

Speaker 8 (01:05:40):
Yeah, you got to.

Speaker 11 (01:05:44):
People were like, you guys, don't realize, like we would
buy this.

Speaker 4 (01:05:48):
So remember like Barbie would have liked and she'd have
her get like so Paul would have like a Toyota
that you could buy. His dream house, would have the man.

Speaker 12 (01:05:58):
Cave, different outfits, yeah, grotto quarters, zips, the college edition.

Speaker 4 (01:06:07):
Then you would have like you do the Paul Perillo
like current. But then you have like the generation have
like the picture like the high school one with the
prom with the necklace with the Italian horn and then
it had chin right, and then you have the white

(01:06:27):
edition and he's holding up his you know, uh.

Speaker 12 (01:06:32):
Yeah, well that would be the accessory, would be the
Hall of Fame plaque.

Speaker 8 (01:06:35):
Right like, there's a lot of.

Speaker 4 (01:06:38):
And then the middle age rage edition where he's yelling
at someone at the Dunkin Donuts drive through.

Speaker 5 (01:06:45):
Yeah, and then the current day one day, this is
just from my day.

Speaker 6 (01:06:50):
The drive through never lets me forget duncan.

Speaker 4 (01:06:53):
But then there's toys.

Speaker 6 (01:06:58):
First of all, it was babies.

Speaker 5 (01:07:02):
That doesn't make it.

Speaker 7 (01:07:02):
Better, Paul, are you ready to talk about this?

Speaker 6 (01:07:10):
A woman, uh cut in front of me. I had
I was buying cut in front of them. I was
buying diapers in bulk, and a woman cut in front
of me, and I like, you know, I did a
Paul snark, just gonna go. I guess I wasn't waiting here.
Oh I'm sorry, go ahead, oh go ahead, like you
blatantly just walked in front of me. And then she
looked at me and she goes, oh you have all

(01:07:32):
those diapers. I'm sorry. Now I see why, and she
like just like walked away like I was cranky because
I have a newborn, and I just lost it.

Speaker 4 (01:07:42):
And I thought she was trying to be nice. No, no, no,
just standing she cut.

Speaker 6 (01:07:45):
No, she was being snooty. Correct And now did I overreact? Yeah? Probably?

Speaker 4 (01:07:52):
But you threw the diapers at her.

Speaker 6 (01:07:56):
I did not what you're doing. You see what happens, brother,
And then I got I was like, you know, I
was like said something and like walked out, and she
she walked out. And then I checked out, and I
got my car and I drove around. And as I
drove around, she happened to be right there. I stopped,

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put the window down, and don't ever talk about my
kids again.

Speaker 5 (01:08:23):
Straight because you're going to see her.

Speaker 1 (01:08:27):
Book.

Speaker 9 (01:08:27):
You guys have both told people in parking lots from
your car to watch out.

Speaker 6 (01:08:31):
Oh yeah, not like him.

Speaker 1 (01:08:33):
I did that. Listen.

Speaker 2 (01:08:34):
I know.

Speaker 6 (01:08:35):
I know Alex doesn't want to give away too much
with the newsletter, but one of the questions that we
asked is who has the most red flags that teams
would have to look into before drafting.

Speaker 4 (01:08:45):
I think we all know, you know, I kind of
overlooked myself there. I might be the one I've I've
might be I've skirted disaster many times.

Speaker 6 (01:08:55):
I was not. I was nice. I didn't get into
any of the particular None of.

Speaker 4 (01:08:59):
You guys had a gun point.

Speaker 5 (01:09:01):
I was just going to bring that up.

Speaker 6 (01:09:03):
He's hap he has gun violence in his past.

Speaker 8 (01:09:07):
I've watten.

Speaker 6 (01:09:11):
Off, he'd be a lot off a lot of people's boards.

Speaker 2 (01:09:13):
That's professional though, that's a professional situation. Man.

Speaker 11 (01:09:15):
Why were you held that gun?

Speaker 5 (01:09:16):
Point?

Speaker 9 (01:09:17):
It's a long story which time, just the mean streets
at Dennis, Massachusetts in Florida, the gun and like.

Speaker 4 (01:09:24):
Something that had nothing to do with me. That's the
night that the Williams brothers shot Russell burst in the
front yard.

Speaker 6 (01:09:33):
But you see, like the multiple wasn't plus like brothers.
Sounds like here one over here.

Speaker 4 (01:09:39):
But I had nothing to do with the.

Speaker 6 (01:09:41):
Wrong place, wrong time.

Speaker 4 (01:09:45):
Do a live before you move on. Oh yeah, thank you.

Speaker 6 (01:09:48):
Speaking of murder.

Speaker 4 (01:09:52):
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Gillette Stadium event crew. And also spring is sprun. Hell ya,
it's gonna be eighty on Saturday?

Speaker 6 (01:10:21):
Did you say it could be seventies?

Speaker 4 (01:10:23):
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Speaker 6 (01:10:56):
How do you look at me?

Speaker 4 (01:10:57):
I don't know you and the furniture you chopping for
furniture these days?

Speaker 8 (01:11:02):
No, no need some patio furniture.

Speaker 4 (01:11:05):
Patio furniture, Yeah, I actually you know what I do.

Speaker 8 (01:11:08):
You know in the garden, you know what is sneaky
expensive patio furniture.

Speaker 6 (01:11:12):
It's not that sneaky. It's really expensive. I need a
gazebo and you get what you pay for.

Speaker 4 (01:11:16):
If you buy cheap stuff, it'll it won't last because weather.

Speaker 18 (01:11:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:11:22):
And then more sneaky expensive are the cushions. So sometimes
you get the chair and that's reasonable, but to get
like weather waterproof cushions, those can be like one hundred
and fifty bucks a cushion.

Speaker 6 (01:11:36):
I take them. I either take them. I take them
in for the winter. But I also have a cover
in this even even in the summer, I cover it.

Speaker 4 (01:11:44):
Burn every night you're going out, you're covering up the
that's ridiculous. Yeah, it's like your routine, like.

Speaker 8 (01:11:49):
You have a cover for it or do you like
take the pushs and put it in.

Speaker 6 (01:11:52):
No, there's a cover for it. It fits right over
It's like you know one of those rattan it's yeah, conceptionals, yeah,
and it fits right over it. But you don't take
it off every single day, so it's not like I
have to cover it every day like a lot of times. Yeah,
a lot of times. But it's it's also under a
like a gazebo on my deck. Okay, but I need

(01:12:12):
a new one because that one went over the top
of the deck. Classroom, grotto wind I mean, yeah, for
my above ground pool, I have the grotto and my
you know what's fifteen by thirty above ground? What's four
feet all around?

Speaker 4 (01:12:25):
Once I take the covers off the furniture, it doesn't
go back on until September.

Speaker 2 (01:12:29):
Yeah, that's pretty much they stay. I get sun bleached
and covered in pine needles, and that's a disaster.

Speaker 4 (01:12:34):
You I don't know, just white cushions, but outdoor furniture
and expensive.

Speaker 6 (01:12:40):
Yeah, jacket though worth it them. Spend a lot of
time outside.

Speaker 4 (01:12:46):
Yeah, that's the best that you got it. You got
a beer, right, your beer? You got the Red Sox
game on the radio.

Speaker 6 (01:12:54):
Yeah to the wireless.

Speaker 4 (01:12:57):
You have an outdoor TV, you know? Oh, so how
do you listen to the Red Sox if you're outdoors?

Speaker 6 (01:13:02):
I don't know, my friend, I'm like everybody else nowadays.
I don't care about pigs.

Speaker 4 (01:13:06):
That was the softball. I'm just waiting for you to
hit it out.

Speaker 12 (01:13:09):
My friend's dad just built this awesome covered patio thing
on their deck and they have a fireplace with It's
like an outdoor living room.

Speaker 2 (01:13:17):
So you want to be out there that's flat top,
like maybe flat top.

Speaker 6 (01:13:21):
There's guy on my station on my shows, how.

Speaker 2 (01:13:26):
There is getting carted off with an injury?

Speaker 5 (01:13:27):
What's that good looking guy to the left?

Speaker 4 (01:13:31):
All right, calls and emails podcasts at Patriots dot com
as the email address Jasper and main right, Sin you said, Evan,
skipping the hangover brunch is a rookie move. I guess
we were talking about weddings. Weddings earlier. You took the poison.
You got to power through and take the cure. When
you're laying their post party feeling halfway in the grave,

(01:13:53):
look to the motto of the twenty twenty three Patriots.
No one is coming, It's up to us.

Speaker 5 (01:13:59):
So I've only I only had to do that once,
so I only completely skipped it once. It was my
cousin's wedding and I was nineteen and so I wasn't
even of age yet and I but it was my
cousin's wedding and there was nobody telling me I couldn't.
So we were we had some drinks. But at my
sister's wedding, heard I the night before when we went
to bed at like three o'clock in the morning, we're like,
we're gonna we have to, like our parents are gonna

(01:14:21):
kill us if we're not at the brunch, so like
we have to get up for the brunch. And the
two of us got up and we were like green,
like we were, please just get me some food.

Speaker 6 (01:14:30):
So he's.

Speaker 5 (01:14:33):
Y, Yeah, that's how I.

Speaker 8 (01:14:34):
Don't have a will to live until I have a
breakfast food.

Speaker 5 (01:14:37):
The food saved me otherwise, like I was going downhill
and the food saved me.

Speaker 4 (01:14:41):
For sure. Draft questions. Can Campbell's glaring lack of with
be compensated by pairing him with an exceptionally girthy guard?
I'm not saying pause, So can his lack of with
I think with wingspan with okay, curse be compensated by
pairing him with an exceptionally big guard.

Speaker 5 (01:15:04):
I mean, I'm sure there are things that could help
by having a good left guard next to a good
left tackle in any way, but he's gonna have to
figure it out himself. And like I'm not. I know,
everybody makes a big deal about this type of stuff,
and like I feel like now the popular take is
actually it's the wingspan that's worse, you know, like that's
like the new thing to be the ball Knower's about.

(01:15:26):
But I don't necessarily look at it that way because
he is playing tackle versus playing inside, where you do
want to have like wider bodies and you do want
to take up more space when you're playing on the interior.
I would be a little bit more worried about arm
length than wingspan.

Speaker 4 (01:15:44):
If the Patriots don't draft a defensive tackle in this
incredibly deep class. Should I assume Barmar is full go.

Speaker 9 (01:15:52):
I don't know about the defensive tackle class being deep.
I think it's fine, But yeah, i'd love to see
them just add some more youth to Their'd love to see,
you know, Tonga may be able to cut that body
type not you know, day three early day three kind
of thing.

Speaker 2 (01:16:09):
But I don't really see it as a huge need.

Speaker 9 (01:16:12):
Really.

Speaker 6 (01:16:12):
I wouldn't read anything into Barmore. I think that they
probably are cautiously optimistic that they think X is going
to happen, but you don't know. I mean, when they
brought him back last year, I'm sure they didn't think
that they were going to have to pull the plug. Yeah,
So I would just I wouldn't read too much into

(01:16:35):
subsequent moves as related to what they think of Barboy's availability.

Speaker 2 (01:16:39):
Decide he's at the program right now. That's as much
positivity as you can have right now.

Speaker 4 (01:16:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:16:44):
I mean, like if they went out and drafted Mason Graham,
then maybe I would read more into it. But if
they take a guy in the third round because he's
just a good football player and they like the guy,
I don't think that automatically means like Christian Barmore's is
not going to play next year. But if they drafted
somebody in the first round at that spot, then I
probably would would think of it.

Speaker 6 (01:17:05):
I guess my point is, even if they think Barboa
is gonna play, there's no guarantees that he will be
able to. Yeah, they can't possibly know that, you know,
right now they feel like they have something in place.
It's not like his knee is healed or you know,
that broken arm is no longer broken. This is something
that's a little.

Speaker 9 (01:17:23):
Bit And then in that respect, Paul I feel like
maybe they should, like they should continue to stack. And
even if it's a guy who's more of an upfield
type like he and Milton Williams are that, even then
it still maybe makes sense too if you're operating under
the assumption.

Speaker 2 (01:17:35):
Of we just don't know. We can't rely on them.

Speaker 4 (01:17:37):
Adam and Louisiana. There was a lot of talk of
the abundance of small PU T shirts during the halftime show.
If you're looking to get rid of them, my wife
could really use one. Her only NFL related clothing is
a shirt that says got Taylor's boyfriend makes me gag
every time she wears it, So please help me get
her something else to wear. Matt Morale, have we ordered
new T shirts?

Speaker 6 (01:17:56):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:17:57):
What's going on with the text?

Speaker 2 (01:17:58):
Me t's right now and find out he's in charge
of it?

Speaker 4 (01:18:00):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:18:00):
What do I have to do to like get T shirts?

Speaker 4 (01:18:03):
Right?

Speaker 8 (01:18:04):
Hats to The whole thing is like, are we upgrading
the qualities?

Speaker 4 (01:18:07):
Yeah? That was one of my directives on this show.
I said, I want my directors so that when you
wash them, they don't.

Speaker 2 (01:18:13):
Shrink, right, they shrank?

Speaker 4 (01:18:17):
So what's what's the good brand that you get?

Speaker 2 (01:18:20):
Guild's pretty solid. Gilded makes a good one, like a
good I like Comfort colors, Okay, Gilden is like the
cheap one.

Speaker 8 (01:18:29):
But they have like tears though you know, have levels.

Speaker 2 (01:18:33):
Yeah, but now you know terrorists T shirts printing?

Speaker 6 (01:18:40):
Okay, just like mumbles, what is going on over there?

Speaker 4 (01:18:44):
I just listen.

Speaker 2 (01:18:45):
I'm thinking about, you know, my business, my T shirt
production business, as it used to.

Speaker 4 (01:18:48):
Be like sunsetting, because Andy used to be like that.
The first half of the show, he'd be like on
rocket fuel and then by like one Fi.

Speaker 6 (01:19:00):
Sner's lunch came well after yesterday.

Speaker 2 (01:19:02):
I am officially almost in the AARP. I would guess
I'm getting closer to that, so maybe maybe I am starting.

Speaker 6 (01:19:07):
To sell more year.

Speaker 3 (01:19:08):
Huh okay, Old Anthony writes in Loving the AARP Show,
Everyone's favorite caller, Christian from La is on the phone.

Speaker 4 (01:19:19):
What's up, Christian?

Speaker 18 (01:19:21):
Hey you guys, good afternoon, and thank you for taking
my call here in La La Land where it's currently
cloudy and cold, so it feels like Boston.

Speaker 4 (01:19:31):
Hey.

Speaker 18 (01:19:31):
So on the the action figures thing you guys were
just talking about.

Speaker 19 (01:19:36):
I don't know if you know, but here in La
I only a way for me, so I.

Speaker 18 (01:19:41):
Always get exposed different websites and stuff coming down the line.
So you guys are talking about a website called doppel
d o p L which lets you take any like
Steed or picture and literally make into an action figger.
I've not done it, so I don't know what the
cost is per but you know, check it out at DPL,

(01:20:02):
I believe, and then the course check out way for
me my app. But after football, we would have the
conversation the other day about the wide receiver class, and
it dawned on us like I would never advocate for
the loss of anyone's job, but who is our a
wide receiver scout? And why does this guy still have
a job.

Speaker 19 (01:20:20):
I mean, we said, you take a team like Pittsburgh,
and no matter where they land on the board, they
seem to always be able to find a impact wide receiver,
not just a guy who can play or who can
fit in, but they find impact wide receivers. And so
that brought the question up, is this something that our
front office needs to spend more resources on? Is there

(01:20:41):
like a high caliber sort of you know, position scout,
and then what are the credentials to become a position scout?
And can we like get Pittsburgh's position scout for wide receivers?

Speaker 2 (01:20:52):
Yeah, yeah, I don't think they do it by position
located by the area.

Speaker 9 (01:20:57):
But I would just say I think I'm holding out
small belief that maybe there's some changes made after the draft.
I think it's pretty common for new teams when they
get a new regime in that the scouting staff stays
on through the draft and.

Speaker 2 (01:21:08):
Then maybe there are some changes afterwards. I think I
think it's possible.

Speaker 4 (01:21:12):
I don't think.

Speaker 2 (01:21:12):
I don't know if it's necessarily likely.

Speaker 4 (01:21:14):
But but you know, it's it's it's so layered. You know,
you've got the scout, then you've got the personnel guy
who makes the final decision. Then you've got the coach
who is now given these guys and expected to coach
them up. Then what kind of line do you have?
What kind of quo? You know, It's like it's it's layered.
But then they're obvious misses like Nikhil Harry, guys who

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high highly draft guys who did not only didn't make
it here, but couldn't make it anywhere else.

Speaker 2 (01:21:40):
System failure.

Speaker 5 (01:21:41):
It's such a I feel like I get this question
a million times every offseason about what why do they
miss on wide receivers? And I it's so multi layered
because it's scouting, its development, it's the offensive system that
they're putting these guys in. Like, it's just there's so
many different angles to it. You know. I don't think
to Freend's point about Nikil here, like I don't think

(01:22:02):
all the receivers they drafted flat out can't play, Like
I wouldn't say that, like Jalen Polk has no talent,
Well he's the.

Speaker 4 (01:22:09):
Next big test. Yeah, what's going on with Polk? Right?

Speaker 5 (01:22:12):
But like you know, he had a tough rookie year.
I think it was tough on him mentally as well
as as physically, and like, it just there's so much
that goes around with that. And yeah, it's not done
by by position, as as the guy said. It's there's
area scouts, and there's national scouts, and there's college scouting directors,
and then there's player to you know, personnel directors, and

(01:22:33):
then there's general managers and so like, there's a lot
of layers to it, but it's not they don't specifically
do it by position.

Speaker 4 (01:22:39):
That way, Let's see who is this Dana Virginia in Michigan.
With the introduction of BTT banged the table, I foresee
a new and more efficient era of PU where everyone
speaks only in acronyms. This development is of course, hingin
to use Andy's word on everyone's ability to understand the acronyms.
The following are acronyms, of which of which common PU phrases.

(01:23:02):
So it's a game ready, A T I T, especially
in the draft A.

Speaker 1 (01:23:11):
T I T.

Speaker 6 (01:23:13):
And there it is, Oh that's a good one.

Speaker 4 (01:23:16):
Uh w G O G exclamation we got this is
a tough one. W D T s K clue. It's
usually heard on a Thursday.

Speaker 8 (01:23:30):
What are the sharp snow?

Speaker 6 (01:23:31):
Yes?

Speaker 12 (01:23:32):
Good, Alex and my friends speak an acronym acronyms, so
I might have a leg up here.

Speaker 4 (01:23:38):
These are less acronyms, as they are more abbreviated, not
I mean not even abbreviations.

Speaker 6 (01:23:44):
But anyway, t J acronym.

Speaker 4 (01:23:49):
T j P t M. Because you can't, like to
me acronyms of things you can say like you can't say.

Speaker 1 (01:23:54):
T J P t M.

Speaker 8 (01:23:59):
What's this reason? What's this last one?

Speaker 2 (01:24:01):
T J P t M.

Speaker 1 (01:24:04):
T J.

Speaker 4 (01:24:05):
I'm not going to I'll give you a hand, Lawyer malloy.
That's just poor to me. Oh that's just h d
m's clue. These aren't the d ms that you usually
slide into, but as Paul can attest, it's still good
to get into a few of these d ms. I

(01:24:26):
think Millers at Miller's.

Speaker 6 (01:24:28):
There you go, good.

Speaker 4 (01:24:30):
A few more s N clue used in reference to
deuce sneakyative negative.

Speaker 6 (01:24:37):
I was late to it, but I got there.

Speaker 4 (01:24:39):
Uh M, question mark mood.

Speaker 5 (01:24:45):
That's good.

Speaker 6 (01:24:50):
T I O y O T do it on your
own time exactly, Paul.

Speaker 4 (01:25:00):
G H G D P clue. It's another one usually
heard on Thursday.

Speaker 6 (01:25:07):
What is it?

Speaker 5 (01:25:07):
G g h g d P Gotta hurry, gotta gotta
do picts.

Speaker 4 (01:25:12):
Yeah, two more. I A w O F T P.
I A w O f t P clue. Sadly this
one isn't heard as often as it used to be.
I A w O F t P.

Speaker 6 (01:25:35):
Have you something about the team being good?

Speaker 4 (01:25:37):
Well?

Speaker 6 (01:25:37):
Yeah, but sadly what what he?

Speaker 4 (01:25:41):
What helps them be good?

Speaker 6 (01:25:42):
It always works out for the pages?

Speaker 8 (01:25:45):
Long?

Speaker 4 (01:25:47):
Finally talking about long, This is a long, real long one.
This isn't really f F I H S W G
T t A B. Food is here, so we got
to take it.

Speaker 6 (01:26:04):
So okay, good stuff, Dan, Yeah, good stuff?

Speaker 4 (01:26:08):
All right? More emails coming in.

Speaker 2 (01:26:13):
You have like a Bible of Fred. You've been working
on something.

Speaker 4 (01:26:17):
Somebody from Upstart sets a question for Evan. He wants
to know what are Evan's thoughts in the New Jersey
MIC's chicken salad sandwich that's gone viral on TikTok Okay,
the chicken salad.

Speaker 5 (01:26:27):
The assumption that I know what has gone viral on
TikTok is a good one.

Speaker 6 (01:26:32):
Just assumption I I don't.

Speaker 5 (01:26:34):
I have not tried it yet. I'm not a big
chicken salad guy.

Speaker 4 (01:26:37):
No, but why is it?

Speaker 9 (01:26:39):
So?

Speaker 4 (01:26:39):
Who knows why it went.

Speaker 5 (01:26:41):
Are they talking about uh, the like the bowls because
that's gotten really popular?

Speaker 4 (01:26:49):
Hell?

Speaker 6 (01:26:50):
Can I heard about that? Yeah, like a chicken I wasn't.

Speaker 5 (01:26:55):
Like a salad with chicken. Or are we talking about
like chicken salad?

Speaker 8 (01:26:58):
Chicken salad?

Speaker 5 (01:26:59):
Yeah, chicken.

Speaker 2 (01:27:00):
I didn't know that chicken salad.

Speaker 4 (01:27:01):
But they're like, I need to know somebody needs now
who knows to email us or call in and tell
us why it's gone viral? Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:27:07):
Right, because I know the bulls have gotten very popular.
I've heard that they call them bowls, but they're really
just salads. But like instead of having like the sub
on bread, you can get it in the bowl to
save the calories because.

Speaker 8 (01:27:19):
It's Do you guys know who Bethany Frinkle is? Yea
queen Bethany influencer? Actually, yeah, can she put me in touch?
Probably I would quit to just give her coffee all day.
I think she's awesome.

Speaker 12 (01:27:34):
Anyways, she her thing is like reviewing chicken salad, so
maybe she went there or something. There's like she has
a couple of spots on the Hampton's that she's made famous.

Speaker 2 (01:27:46):
The chicken chicken salad sandwich Therecott that was good.

Speaker 6 (01:27:49):
One better than Willow Tree.

Speaker 2 (01:27:51):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:27:51):
Well that's in the grocery store. You buy willow Tree.
I want chicken salad, that's what you get.

Speaker 2 (01:27:55):
Yeah, that's pretty good.

Speaker 4 (01:27:59):
And that with the cramps, you just get the straight
if you want to great berry to do that.

Speaker 6 (01:28:03):
What do we what do we about chicken salad in general?

Speaker 2 (01:28:08):
Have it very often chicken salad?

Speaker 6 (01:28:10):
I like tuna salad better.

Speaker 5 (01:28:12):
Yeah, I agreed.

Speaker 2 (01:28:13):
Yeah, Lobs your salads pretty good too.

Speaker 5 (01:28:15):
Well, it's like, isn't it just like this is just mayonnaise, right,
like like yeah, and but why is it a salad?
Like there's no there's no veggies involved.

Speaker 4 (01:28:30):
Salad?

Speaker 8 (01:28:33):
Yea, the celar you can't.

Speaker 4 (01:28:36):
But I don't like cellary.

Speaker 6 (01:28:38):
You gotta have something that gives a little crunch, Yeah, crumbs.
And I are always in the same way of James.
I think like the youngs though the young.

Speaker 4 (01:28:48):
James, the most interesting Patriots fan in the world, says
no one is buying bibble heads of you idiots. On
the contrary, easy there.

Speaker 2 (01:29:00):
So I don't know what's a price point on that
on on a Paul bad I.

Speaker 4 (01:29:03):
Think we are I think we go to market.

Speaker 11 (01:29:05):
Let the market set itself.

Speaker 9 (01:29:06):
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here today to offer you an experience lifetime.

Speaker 5 (01:29:14):
Would you pay ford I want to talk to Mark
Cuban only.

Speaker 4 (01:29:18):
Well, do you want to know what the pricing is
from that place? Set christians la mensi? So this is
the pricing is per person and based on the size
of your Dopple plus any accessories. We also offer a
variety of group packages. Contact Dopple for more. So A
four inch A four inch action figure that's like that

(01:29:41):
big is ninety nine dollars nine. We gotta make a
custom Uh it fits in the Uh No, it's.

Speaker 11 (01:29:48):
Each one ninety nine or if is it just like
that's the design fee.

Speaker 4 (01:29:52):
That's without but then you add accessories. Yeah, uh so
that's not yet. It fits in the palm of your hand.
A six inch is a hundred and fifty nine looks
great everywhere. Eight inches two twenty nine are doppel.

Speaker 6 (01:30:05):
Fount too big, too big.

Speaker 8 (01:30:08):
Life size.

Speaker 4 (01:30:10):
A ten inch it's three it's three fifty nine stands
out in the crowd. Fourteen inches Jesus, it's make a
statement and then they have pets starting at one fifty nine.
This thing is a whopping sixteen inches.

Speaker 6 (01:30:29):
Thanks Teddy?

Speaker 5 (01:30:31):
Was that Teddy Bruce ki in that You can't tell
his voice?

Speaker 2 (01:30:34):
I didn't, Well, it was a very brief clip, but
I don't know what he was talking about.

Speaker 4 (01:30:37):
This thing is a whopping sixteen inches.

Speaker 2 (01:30:40):
Hey, now, I don't know. It sounds like a different
version of Teddy than I'm used to.

Speaker 4 (01:30:44):
So no, he was a real good spokesman done I'm
used to like.

Speaker 6 (01:30:50):
From my locker.

Speaker 4 (01:30:51):
They looked, they looked legit.

Speaker 8 (01:30:54):
Is it worth the investment?

Speaker 6 (01:30:55):
So what is?

Speaker 5 (01:30:55):
What are they based on your box?

Speaker 7 (01:30:57):
Just the photo that you're saying that that's where Yeah,
it says, just blow the photo into the website and
they'll design.

Speaker 4 (01:31:01):
It for you. Huh. Okay, good for birthday presents, gift gift. Yeah,
let's see. Matt Devin Uk says, I'm going to do
a friend and just tell you what to do because
I'm just right. Ideally we would trade down a few
picks to get extra assets, but either way, the first
pick should be Jalen Walker, absolute beast and would be

(01:31:23):
a great pick for a long time. Next, we trade
back up into the back end of the first round
and take either Connery or Ursery to be our left tackle.
Later in the draft, we take receiver Jamry Dyke out
of Florida, Great size and speed DK. I think it's okay,
great size and speed on the outside to be our

(01:31:44):
eventual X or WR one, whichever term Paul likes best.
For the rest, I'll turn on Yahoo Auto Draft for
take the best player of anything.

Speaker 5 (01:31:54):
DK is going to be a w R one.

Speaker 4 (01:31:56):
Guess what he said.

Speaker 5 (01:31:57):
I don't even know if he's going to get drafted, So.

Speaker 6 (01:32:01):
Just because you play on the outside doesn't make you a.

Speaker 5 (01:32:05):
W I think he is a priority free agent, okay
in most.

Speaker 4 (01:32:11):
Let's see. Finally, I can't believe that nobody has asked Paul,
how fired you up? How fired up he is for
the new free agent additions. As in their welcoming press conference,
more than one of them uttered the phrase iron sharpens iron.
It must have got him as excited as Evan when
Campbell arms got remeasured at thirty three inches.

Speaker 5 (01:32:32):
Nothing gets to me excited as.

Speaker 2 (01:32:33):
That is that a favorite of Pew in the past,
iron sharpens iron quote.

Speaker 6 (01:32:37):
It's another blockhead Andy.

Speaker 4 (01:32:39):
His iron sharpens iron and then we'd make fun of.

Speaker 6 (01:32:45):
Hilarity in.

Speaker 4 (01:32:47):
That's fair, Iggy in Spain rights then where you been? Iggy?
For some reason, the Giants want to trade down and
take Sanders the Patriots makes sense, what do we need
to get there and take one of the two blue chips?
Oh so if the Giant what so the Giants want

(01:33:08):
to trade down we wanted So basically it means the
Patriots want to trade up to get one of their guys,
and the Giants are willing to go to four because
they think Sanders will still be there.

Speaker 6 (01:33:18):
But why would the Patriots trade with the Giants to
do that?

Speaker 2 (01:33:20):
Exactly, give us your pick so we can still draft
our guy in your slot.

Speaker 6 (01:33:24):
Right, So the Giants, you know, we know I'm going
to trade down because I don't want that guy anyway,
and you do. But why would I trade with the Patriots?
Why would the patri you know, like they know I'm
going to take Sanders anyway?

Speaker 4 (01:33:39):
But what if the Giants, well I'm just thinking for
his Iggy maybe, But what if the Giants say, we're
not going to take Sanders with our two, He's not
worth it. But if we can trick three. But if
we can trade down and get a little extra, then
we can.

Speaker 6 (01:33:53):
Well, there's incentive for the Giants to trade down even
if they want Sanders. I get that. It may be
a roll of the dice, but I get that. But
if you only go down one spot to the Patriots,
why would you trade with the Patriots? Why would the
Patriots want to do that? I know you're not taking
Travis Hunter or Abdua Carter, whicheveryone is there because you
want Sanders.

Speaker 4 (01:34:11):
No, but maybe they say we're not going to take them.
We're not going to take Sanders unless we can get
more picks. So if they stay where they are, they're
not picking Sanders.

Speaker 6 (01:34:20):
Right, So why would the pick I don't know why
you would give anything up for that because we want
to get like they don't want that guy. You're telling
me they don't want that guy, but they're going to
take them just because I want to. I want to
try to hold you up in the trade.

Speaker 4 (01:34:35):
Well, no, I guess so number one, Well it's cam Ward.
Number two. Let's say Travis Hunter. So Abdul Carter is
sitting there. Patriots want them, the Giants will take Abdul
Carter unless someone's willing to trade that and we get
extra picks and then we'll pick Shador Sanders at four.

Speaker 6 (01:34:58):
Sure, I just don't see it happens.

Speaker 4 (01:35:00):
It's like just like I don't think that could happen either,
because like if you watch the door, Sanders.

Speaker 6 (01:35:05):
Take, just take them, just take them, you know, Like
what do you like? Like what are you saying that
I don't want Sanders if it's just Sanders at three,
but if I can get Sanders at four in a
second round pick, I'll take them, right, Like, yeah, that's more.
But I just don't think that play right, And I
don't think that makes a lot of sense.

Speaker 5 (01:35:23):
But it's the same thing, you know, in a more
realistic way, like with people that say, well, I wouldn't
take Will Campbell at four, but if they could trade
down to seven eight nine, I'd take Will Campbell at
seven eight nine, And like I get the thinking. But
it's also like if you if you're going to take
them anyways, and this is just.

Speaker 4 (01:35:39):
One spot, like how much are you going to get right?

Speaker 6 (01:35:41):
Right? Like you might not even be able to get
a second round pick to move down one spot. I
don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:35:46):
I think all this quarterback talk is about the second round,
I really do. I think that the Giants, the Browns,
maybe the Steelers at twenty one. It starts the run
of the other non cam wardquarterbacks, but Chador Jackson, Dart,
Jalen Milroe. I think all of those quarterback needy teams

(01:36:07):
are all trying to position themselves at the end of
the first round early second round to draft one of
those guys.

Speaker 4 (01:36:12):
So unlike the Patriots when they drafted Garoppolo in the
second round, if the Giants end up picking a quarterback
in the second round, do you think the expectations there
this guy better be a starter for us like soon.

Speaker 5 (01:36:27):
I don't know if they think that he's going to
be like that. I think that they they want to
add a young, high upside player at that position, but
they want to have their cake and eat it too.
They want to draft Abdul Carter at three overall and
still add a quarterback that they feel like has starter
upside to the room, but they don't have to take
them at three. So I think the Giants are, you know,

(01:36:47):
they're going and uh working out Paul's boy, you know,
shook like they're going to add him to this mix too,
So it's gonna be Tyler Shuk, it's gonna be Jalen Milroe,
it's gonna be Jackson Dart like those are these quarterbacks,
and then the door will probably be the top one
out of that group. But all these teams are going
to try to do that thing, you know. I think
it's more probably closer to like what the Titans did

(01:37:08):
with Will Levis, right, like you draft the quarterback at
the top of the second round and hope that it's
Jalen Hurts or something along those lines. But I don't
That's what all the reporting is now, is that the
Giants are doing all this vetting of these quarterbacks to
take them at the top of the second round, not
to take them sight.

Speaker 6 (01:37:25):
Yeah, and you get at least you get somebody in
the pipeline with potential. You know, I don't think that
you would say anything that you draft, you know, beyond
the first round is that that's our guy. We have
our guy now, we don't have to worry about that anymore.
But at least there's a chance, at least you're just
selling your fan base that this the guy that we
think we can work with and potentially could could develop

(01:37:48):
maybe he ends up being like, what was the year
that Dak Prescott drafted, like sixteen seventeen, So I don't know. Yeah,
well that was sort of the same. I mean, they
drafts up being a fourth round pick and ends up
being your guy.

Speaker 5 (01:37:58):
And they drafted Zeke in the first round, so they
got they had they got the best of both worlds
where they got the best player in the first round
that they wanted, and then they also still got the quarterback.
You know, Kirk Cousins obviously wasn't the first round pick
Dak with the good Jalen Hurts.

Speaker 6 (01:38:13):
Highly unlikely that it works out that way, but there
are a couple of examples of the Russell Wilsons, Dak
Prescott's Kirk Cousins where you can get a guy, you know,
beyond the first round that ends up being your franchise
quarterbacks spiin Fresno.

Speaker 4 (01:38:25):
I know it's probably a goose chase to read into
Rabel's earlier comments this week, but he did seem notably cagey.
When answering the question of whether he'd pick a left
tackle at four. He did a hand wavy thing saying
he thinks there's a pickable left tackle talent in the draft,
seemingly discounting the idea that he's got his eye in
that position for the fourth pick. Is this something or

(01:38:46):
is it much ado about nothing.

Speaker 6 (01:38:49):
I think that answer was interpreted to entirely different ways
by a lot of the you know, talk show guys.
Some people felt like he really didn't address the other
guys worthy of the fourth overall pick part of that.
It's kind of where I fell. I think he more said,
you know, I think they're starting. There's starting tackles in

(01:39:09):
this draft that will start. I think was the way
he started that answer, which is kind of a I
don't think he got specifically into yes, there's a guy
that I would I would think is worthy of the
fourth overall pick. Other people just sort of thought he
was saying in general that he likes the te you know,
there's some talented guys that can start in the league.

(01:39:30):
And you know that was pro Will Campbell. I didn't
really take it strongly one way or the other. I
don't know how you guys interpreted it, but I don't
know if you heard.

Speaker 4 (01:39:38):
Any of this.

Speaker 9 (01:39:39):
I just would ask Evan, I know my thoughts on it,
but like taking the Patriots out of it. How many
guys in this draft do you think will start at
left tackle.

Speaker 2 (01:39:47):
Next year in the league.

Speaker 6 (01:39:49):
In general, like starters in general. I don't know how fast.

Speaker 2 (01:39:53):
Yeah, well, I mean I think.

Speaker 9 (01:39:56):
Why they were asking him though, is to try to
find it right, like right, because this is what they need.
They need right out of the gate. So I just
think reading between the lines, what Rabel said to me was, yeah,
they're starting as in the first round, Like, there are
a couple guys that could come.

Speaker 4 (01:40:09):
In and start. So who's the guy from Oregon, the
left tackle Connorly? Is it true that he gave up
zero sacks last year?

Speaker 5 (01:40:18):
It might be, but those college numbers I think are
a little bit flimsy because of the types of offenses, right,
they never get close. Yeah, they're running RPOs and things
like that. But I would just say that my interpretation
of the the answer was that he doesn't want to
give anything away. Like if he comes out and he says, yeah,
they're tackles, we take in four overall in the headline

(01:40:40):
is going to be Will Campbell, New England.

Speaker 6 (01:40:41):
Patriot, Right, So, like I thought he was noncommittal.

Speaker 5 (01:40:44):
I thought he was completely noncommittal. I thought it was
a pros pro press conference, Like, I don't think he
really gave us anything. I read back through the transcript
and I was like, Okay, yeah, as.

Speaker 4 (01:40:56):
It should be if you're looking at it from the
team perspective. But there's press conferences are useless.

Speaker 5 (01:41:02):
Sometimes we get a little bit more specifics about their
feelings on the class in general, right, you know, like
is it a good receiver class, is a good tackle class?
But what I thought the answer that was, I don't
have Have they.

Speaker 4 (01:41:14):
Ever come right out and said no, but this class
really stinks?

Speaker 5 (01:41:18):
No, no, no, but they would I have heard the opposite, right,
like they'll like what, what where, and they'll give you
two or three positions and then you can interpret from that.

Speaker 6 (01:41:28):
Well, he can't say his position, you must not think
much of it.

Speaker 5 (01:41:31):
Yeah, But I think with the tackle answer specifically he
did give We talked about this a little bit on
catch twenty two, Like he did give specifics of what
he looks for in the fourth overall player, regardless of position.
You actually, if you actually go read the transcript, which
with him, I feel like you actually have to go
and read the transcript because sometimes like he's all over

(01:41:52):
the place, a little bit and some of the answers,
so you have to you have to kind of put
it all together. But you know, he talked about premium position,
you know, high impact, immediate impact type of player, and
basically described a left tackle like would probably fit what
he said, you know, if they felt like that, that
was worthy of it. But the premium position thing did

(01:42:14):
stand out to me that he mentioned some wide receiver,
edge tackle, pass rusher. Yeah, in corner, I would say probably,
you know, most teams probably view those for you impacting
the passing game. You know, obviously quarterback two, but you
know guys that block pass rushers, guys that rushed the passer,
and guys that play on the perimeter in your receiver

(01:42:35):
in corner.

Speaker 4 (01:42:36):
So happy Thursday, says Ryan at Atlanta. With the recent
news of Abdul Carter potentially falling, I think the Patriots
would be wise to trade back with a team like
the Panthers or Bears and take a tackle at eight
or ten. Whether it's Campbell, Membo or Banks, one of
them should be there. The trade offers if the pan
if the Panthers offered number eight fifty seven and a

(01:42:59):
twenty two twenty six second for four. Would you do
that trade?

Speaker 6 (01:43:04):
Say it again?

Speaker 4 (01:43:05):
So we get the Panthers eight, We get their fifty
seventh in their twenty twenty six second round pick for
our fourth.

Speaker 6 (01:43:13):
Wires Carolina doing that, they're give them three picks and
they want two picks to move two picks to move
from eight.

Speaker 4 (01:43:19):
To swap a pick this year and a pick next year.

Speaker 6 (01:43:22):
Sounds like a lot to go four spots. But maybe
I would do it. Yeah, I would do it.

Speaker 4 (01:43:27):
If the Bears offered their number ten forty one and
a twenty twenty six second for four, would you do
that trade? Oh, if you're going to do the first one,
you might do this.

Speaker 6 (01:43:37):
You can get two picks to move down, say less
than ten spots.

Speaker 2 (01:43:41):
I would.

Speaker 6 (01:43:42):
I mean I would be because I think you have
a very good chance to get Will Campbell anyway.

Speaker 5 (01:43:47):
Yeah, I don't know if you have Jets though.

Speaker 6 (01:43:51):
Maybe the Jets take Will Campbell.

Speaker 5 (01:43:52):
I think the Jets are going to are probably a
Membu team because they drafted right so they'll play right tackle.
But I just why is Carolina and Chicago trading up
to four? Like, unless it's Abdul Carter that they're you know.

Speaker 6 (01:44:06):
See, I would take Abdul Carter if he's available, right, Yeah,
so like you.

Speaker 5 (01:44:09):
Know, that's the question though, Like if it's not Abdul Carter,
they're not trading up to four to draft Genty or
Will Campbell or Tyler Warren or whatever.

Speaker 6 (01:44:17):
That's why I said, I'm not sure you're getting all
of that to write move down four spots because I
don't think there's a guy that's worthy of that. And
if it was, and if it was Campbell or Hunter,
I would just take those players.

Speaker 2 (01:44:28):
Yep, me too.

Speaker 5 (01:44:30):
Now the reporting is that New Orleans is not interested
in Shador in the top ten. Maybe that changes, but
like Carolina in Chicago, they're not trading up for a quarterback.

Speaker 6 (01:44:43):
Nope.

Speaker 5 (01:44:44):
So like they like those two teams I think are
out in terms of trading up. I don't think that
if the Jets were wanting to trade up for Judora,
if you're the Patriots, would you trade Shaudor to the Jets.
I guess that depends on if you think that he's
any good or not right. You'd have to make that
that judgment call. And then you know Vegas is also
not trading up for a quarterback.

Speaker 4 (01:45:05):
Adam Adam says the argument for trading up one spot
is to block another team from trading in front of
you and taking your guy. Maybe the Panthers want to trade,
want to come up for Carter, and the Giants takes
your door at eight. Patriots would trade up to three
to keep the Panthers from leap frogging them.

Speaker 6 (01:45:24):
I know what, the dude, the argument is, I just
don't necessarily see the value of it to make you
want to give something up. Yep, yeah, I mean maybe
I don't know. Maybe I'm maybe I'm overlooking you. I
don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:45:42):
Your head hurts spot so many scenarios, I think I
reached my end of scenarios.

Speaker 4 (01:45:47):
Johnson san Diego on.

Speaker 6 (01:45:49):
The Hotline, What's up, John san Diego, Hey, guys, second time,
long time.

Speaker 4 (01:45:55):
I love the show.

Speaker 20 (01:45:56):
I just had a one question for you in one
suggestion if you don't mind. First question is if we
underachieved this year, is there a scenario where you could
blame Elliott wolf in the personnel department or have they
already done enough in your mind that they were fine
it's just really up to coaching, or is there a
scenario where they could still be a part of the problem.

Speaker 4 (01:46:19):
Well, listen, I think there's two parts to that. For me,
I really like what they did in free agency this year.
Now is that Elliott, is it Rabel or is it
both of them? And Rabel's influence now is different than
what Belichick's influence used to be or Gerrod Mayo.

Speaker 6 (01:46:36):
So but I do like what they've done in free agency.

Speaker 4 (01:46:38):
We'll see what they do in the draft.

Speaker 6 (01:46:40):
You know, I do too. I just would be hard
pressed to identify what underachievement looks like.

Speaker 9 (01:46:45):
Thanks John, And it's impossible to delineate who's responsible for
what We've been trying to do that with.

Speaker 2 (01:46:50):
Past draft picks for years. Who gets blamed for Nikhil Harry?

Speaker 9 (01:46:53):
Is it Bills the guy who has final say, or
is it the scouting staff that hide him up to
Bill or you know, and you're the same point now,
I just don't.

Speaker 2 (01:47:01):
Know how to say whose fault it would be if
they under.

Speaker 6 (01:47:04):
Now, if they get nothing out of Suites, and I
think it's kind of important to mention if they get
nothing out of last year's draft class again this year
and this year's draft class, that's not gonna speak well
of Elliott Wolf and those guys. And you had mentioned earlier, Mike,
you know, maybe a lot of these guys are here
through the draft. We'll see if there's any changes going forward.

(01:47:26):
But I agree with Fred. They made some moves and
free agency that on paper should make them better, But
I don't know how many wins that translates to. So
do you get production out of Milton Williams and Carlton
Davis and Harold Landry and Robert Splaine? Know those guys
good players? Is Morgan Moses? You know, plug and play

(01:47:48):
like I think, and solidifies the right side of your line.
Then that means you have good free agency even if
you don't win games. That's why I said, like, I
think it's what would underachievement look like, Like how many
games do you think that they should win? And we
can't say that now because they haven't even had a
draft yet, But do you think that they should win

(01:48:09):
ten games now because they made a handful of good signings.
I don't.

Speaker 5 (01:48:14):
I just wonder, you know, to me, I think, I think.
I think process is important. And they've talked about some
of the missteps in the draft last year, reaching on
positions of need and maybe not necessarily anticipating some of
the runs on the board at certain positions where you're
left in a spot where you were at the end
of the line for tackle instead of at the beginning

(01:48:35):
of the line for the day two tackles. You know,
those sort of things. So like do they learn from
those mistakes and do they how do they, you know,
approach the draft this time around. That's different from what
it was last year. I think it's hard to say, oh,
this draft class didn't perform as rookie, so it's a
bad draft class.

Speaker 6 (01:48:53):
Like I said, it's interesting to look at how they
performed this year.

Speaker 5 (01:48:58):
Yeah, like I really subscribe to it takes two three
years to truly know what you have in a draft class.
So uh, if you I think it's processed over results,
where like you know, this year, if we get to
draft weekend next weekend and we're sitting there in the
third round and they still haven't drafted to tackle because
they didn't draft one at four, and then they couldn't
trade up from thirty eight to draft your Ursery or Connery.

(01:49:19):
So those guys go before they get to thirty eight
and they're stuck again, you know, drafting another flyer in
the third or fourth round to maybe switch a guy
from right to left tackle to play left tackle like
that sort of thing. Then I'm gonna say, well, this
is you know, you're doing the same thing again, right,
you got caught again. So I'm looking to see them
learn more how to play the board than necessarily like

(01:49:42):
as they're scouting improved, because I think the scouting is
going to be the same, like it's it's gonna be,
you know, the guys that that they are gonna target
isn't gonna change too much.

Speaker 4 (01:49:52):
Question for fred says Uri he's in Brazil coming out
of draft. Who did you prefer Drake or Sunshine? If
by sunshine he means a treble Lawrence Lawrence Listen, honestly,
Trevor Lawrence coming out of the draft. Absolutely, I'm not
gonna lie.

Speaker 6 (01:50:08):
Yeah, I love Trevor Lawrence.

Speaker 5 (01:50:10):
Yeah, I think everybody would have taken Trevor Lawrence.

Speaker 4 (01:50:12):
I don't think that's just you. Yeah, I mean I
can't think of since that draft a quarterback that I
thought would be better. I don't know who. I wouldn't
have put Caleb Williams over Lawrence.

Speaker 6 (01:50:25):
No, I probably would have, but that's strictly talent. Like
there's a lot that goes into it. And you know
that's the reasons why Caleb Williams has his detractors.

Speaker 4 (01:50:35):
Yep, yeah, you know. But yeah, No, I love Trevor Lawrence.
I you know, he went to a crappy team, and
I think it's stunted his growth.

Speaker 2 (01:50:45):
How many games lost?

Speaker 4 (01:50:47):
One overall quarterback usually goes to a crappy team. That's
the problem.

Speaker 6 (01:50:53):
Went to a crappy team and he's pretty good. Now
they're not a crappy team anymore.

Speaker 4 (01:50:58):
Oh no, Paul, they already had their team.

Speaker 6 (01:51:00):
No, I'm well aware of its.

Speaker 4 (01:51:03):
Josh and Turner's fall. You all right, Alex, I haven't
heard from you.

Speaker 8 (01:51:07):
While I get lie, I could use more caffeine.

Speaker 4 (01:51:10):
You seem to be.

Speaker 2 (01:51:12):
The second Starbucks that would have been.

Speaker 8 (01:51:14):
I know I should have had him do it. It
was jittery though.

Speaker 4 (01:51:16):
Have him get yourself.

Speaker 8 (01:51:18):
No, I can't do the You don't have to drink
the whole thing. I know, but the celsiest.

Speaker 11 (01:51:27):
Celsius and coffee.

Speaker 8 (01:51:28):
It's like, that's what I imagine cocaine would feel like.

Speaker 6 (01:51:30):
Yeah, you know, just like you haven't done it.

Speaker 4 (01:51:37):
Let's see, Josh says. The thought is uh he said
the subject line is Sanders at four? Sanders, The thought
is Jacksonville or somebody might move to three to get Carter.
So they offer the trade to the Patriots because Sanders
isn't going at four unless the Patriots trade out to somebody.
And chicken salad with crunchy red grape celery and yellow

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curry is the best with oat nut bread or black pepper.
Trusk gets, Oh.

Speaker 2 (01:52:02):
Wow, what's what's going on there?

Speaker 6 (01:52:04):
Too? Return? Yeah, I guess I just don't feel strongly
enough to give up assets to move up to get somebody.

Speaker 9 (01:52:11):
Mean, maybe that's how I feel. I don't know, that's
where I've landed to. I still have a little bit
of hope that maybe they get a shot at Carter.
But if it's gonna end up being well Campbell or Membo,
you can't fault them. I mean, Evan laid it all out.

Speaker 6 (01:52:25):
You get to that point.

Speaker 9 (01:52:26):
There's a certain point in the second round where I
guess what, there's no potential starting left tackles for twenty
twenty four or twenty.

Speaker 2 (01:52:31):
Twenty five on that draft left. So you have to
be conscious of that. And that to me is at
this point, if you come.

Speaker 9 (01:52:38):
Out of this draft without feeling there's at least a
guy to take a chance on, which, let's face it,
there's maybe four or five guys in this draft that
are all going to be gone by that thirty eighth pick.

Speaker 2 (01:52:48):
Then I think that's a huge, huge, huge mistake.

Speaker 5 (01:52:51):
Yeah, and there's six tackles to me in the draft
that have rookie starter potential and then Josh Simmons is
one of them, and that's depending on his health and
if he's healthy, and all the six of those guys
I would expect to go in the top thirty two picks.
So if you don't take one at four, I mean,
maybe you get lucky that Ursery falls. But if Simmons falls,

(01:53:11):
it's because of the knee. Like, if he falls, it's
because there's an injury issue. So now you're you're drafting
a player that's not going to play. But outside of him,
you know, Ursery might fall to thirty eight maybe, but
after that run is over, like now you're talking about
true developmental guys or guys that were really truly you know,
right tackles. Ozzie Trapelo is a right.

Speaker 6 (01:53:32):
But everybody likes Ravens, right, Yeah, Yeah, I mean, what
do you think if if let's just say, for arguments
that he's not going to be ready, yeah, physically to
start right away, would you be opposed to taking him
in the second round?

Speaker 5 (01:53:46):
I think so, because I think they're their rookies need
to play and not not necessarily start, like they don't
have to be all high impact contributors. But I think
they're they're in a position where they need to develop
young players on their roster.

Speaker 6 (01:53:58):
Yeah, I could see I could see an argument for
that though, if they thought he was good enough. You know,
maybe he's not ready to play at the beginning of
the year, but maybe you know, at some point during
the season he can he can get his feet wet, Like,
is it that important that he has to start right away? However,
if the doctors, i mean the left tackle that they draft,
if the doctors say.

Speaker 5 (01:54:16):
That there's not a big concern of long term issues
because that injury there.

Speaker 6 (01:54:21):
Can't be shown Michelle, where they're telling you before you
draft him, it's going to be a short shelfy.

Speaker 5 (01:54:25):
Yeah, because I think the only thing was Simmons that
anybody has any concern about in terms of his tape
is he's not the strongest guy, Like he's not a
big people mover in the run game, and he had
a very small sample size of like first round tape
last year before he got hurt. It's like five and
a half games of really good left tackle. Uh So

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you're kind of taking a little bit of a risk
on a on a five and a half game sample
against lesser competition than really a half of against Oregon
is like really the best competition that he faced.

Speaker 9 (01:54:59):
I think to your point, Paul, there's people out there
that believe he might be the best left tackle in
his class.

Speaker 2 (01:55:02):
So if you are pitching, we just have to be patient.
But we feel like this is the right guy for
this team and in the long term.

Speaker 9 (01:55:07):
He's going to be our guy. You know, maybe you'd
feel better about that than that they're saying. We really
like Will Campbell, but there's we don't believe in him
as strongly as our left tackle for sure for the
next ten years, where we're gonna have to wait a
little bit on Simmons.

Speaker 6 (01:55:19):
But we think we can get back. He's the questions
and how many questions that you have that you are
comfortable with the answers, And I think you could make
an argument that there's questions on Will Campbell. There's questions
on Simmons. So if you want to say, well, I
think Simmons might be a better player again, Evans right,
you have to clearimtically if there's any you know, lingering

(01:55:41):
Malcolm Mitchell or Sony Michelle like this. We know this
guy has talent, but there's an issue here and it's
not just going to magically, you know, fix itself. Then
you can't. You can't do that. You can't put your
eggs in that basket knowing that he might not be
around physically. But if you're comfortable with the medicals.

Speaker 4 (01:55:58):
So Dominic easily wasn't a good even if.

Speaker 6 (01:56:00):
He can't, even if he can't start right away, I
don't think that would be enough to dissuade me if
I thought he was good and I thought he will
be okay, once he's one hundred percent, he's going to
be okay.

Speaker 4 (01:56:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:56:12):
It's a little bit some of the conversation about the
running backs where it's like only certain teams can take
chances on guys that have injury concerns, and only certain
teams that are at the point where they can take
a chance on a running back.

Speaker 2 (01:56:22):
You know, there's like a certain team makeup to me.

Speaker 5 (01:56:24):
That would be my rebuttal would be, are the Patriots
in a team that can take on that risk? Right,
Like you know, if you're the Eagles or you're the Chiefs.

Speaker 6 (01:56:32):
Or you know, I'm not interested. Like what Fred just said, Gronk,
the Patriots could not take Gronk in the second right, right,
and he might be Bronk right, And if that's the case,
then I'm out.

Speaker 5 (01:56:42):
Yeah. And you know, you look at something that Verybele
did say earlier in the week. Somebody asked him about
the lessons that he learned in Tennessee. And one of
the things they did in Tennessee was take some risk
on injury players. You know, Caleb Fairley was the big one,
a corner that they drafted in the top twenty that
had back in issues in college and it didn't work out.

(01:57:04):
And he did say, like we were, we've learned that
you have to be careful about taking injured players.

Speaker 4 (01:57:09):
Brad's in Ohio on the hotline. What's up, Brad? He was,
could I hit I must have hit the wrong button?

Speaker 6 (01:57:16):
Maybe, did you?

Speaker 4 (01:57:17):
I don't know. I thought I had it hovering on
the one on the left, but Okay, sorry, Brad.

Speaker 6 (01:57:24):
It's funny. I haven't really given that whole scenario a
whole lot of thought to the Simmons part. I've been
it's more like Ursery or Connor Lee and those guys
down there. I haven't really given much thought.

Speaker 2 (01:57:35):
I didn't.

Speaker 9 (01:57:35):
I mean, for what it's worth, probably nothing. I didn't
put Simmons on my list of big guys.

Speaker 6 (01:57:40):
Well, then forget it.

Speaker 5 (01:57:41):
Yeah, he's a fun player, Like it's it's a fun
thought of like if he had played the way he
did for the first five games all the way through
the college Football playoff, then we would be talking about
him as the fourth overall pick, like we would be
saying that they should take him at four if he
was healthy the entire season. But yeah, but that's not
the one.

Speaker 6 (01:58:00):
I guess my question would just be a complete, utter hypothetical.
He is okay, but he's not going to be ready
physically at the start of the season. That wouldn't dissuade
me from taking them.

Speaker 4 (01:58:13):
What if they take Campbell at four and they get
to thirty eight or whenever it is, and Simmons is
still there, I.

Speaker 5 (01:58:21):
Would say, if he's still there at thirty eight, it's
because there's a chronic issue with his d okay, Like I.

Speaker 4 (01:58:26):
Think he's think that's a sign that okay.

Speaker 5 (01:58:28):
Because he's the first round talent. So if he's still
there at thirty eight, that means that teams have medical
red flags.

Speaker 6 (01:58:33):
Then you can use your whole well in twenty six,
Simmons is my left tackle and Campbell's my left guard
right right with stacked how sad bro set it line
and then we how do you.

Speaker 4 (01:58:45):
Like our line now for Ashton Genty? And we're all
set it always with a trade for it always comes
back to Ashton Genty.

Speaker 5 (01:58:53):
Fix the team we did?

Speaker 4 (01:58:55):
All right, that's going to be it for this edition
of Patriots Unfiltered. I hope everyone has a good weekend.
We're one week away from the draft, so next week's
a big week. We'll see you next Tuesday. Hey, this
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