Patriots Unfiltered 4/3: Reported Joe Milton Trade, Josh McDaniels Media Access, Draft Talk

Tune in as the PU crew reacts to the report that the Patriots are trading Joe Milton to the Cowboys. How do we grade the trade, and what is the best explanation for the move? We watch Offensive Coordinator Josh McDaniels speak to the media ahead of Monday's optional team workout, and discuss what he said about Drake Maye, the offensive scheme, the wide receiver room and more. Plus, more NFL Draft talk as it draws closer.

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Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered.

Speaker 3 (00:29):
He's a fan favorite, and I think you plic I
give more credit to the fans. I'm waiting for.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
That to prove military is on the ballot. He will
go along.

Speaker 3 (00:36):
We've been doing this.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
I tell the story about going to Nashville for a
conference and I was in the first row, a woman
and her son sitting next to me, and I hear
the woman say, why do they just keep nominating? He's
never gonna get in. Why don't they just take his
name off? And I realized it was Rabel's wife and
his son.

Speaker 3 (00:52):
Will Campbell was not good at his position. That's a
bust of a pick.

Speaker 4 (00:55):
He plays guard.

Speaker 3 (00:56):
I know when that's but that's not good value.

Speaker 2 (01:00):
Get about the bas but we've already established that isn't
there in this draft.

Speaker 3 (01:05):
If Mason Graham is not a very good defensive tackle,
he's going to continue to play defensive tackle. They're not
just gonna cut up, but he's not going to be
good at it, just like the guy who can't play time.

Speaker 2 (01:14):
He can be good at guard. And there's a program
in Peloton where you can choose to you can choose
to ride to like cities or whatever, and one of
the options was Marseille, France.

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Speaker 7 (02:01):
Sure.

Speaker 2 (02:02):
Yeah. Joe Milton no longer a Patriot according to reports.

Speaker 8 (02:08):
Yeah, funny because we recorded Patriots Draft countdown yesterday and
posted it and we had the exact discussion of is
it worth it to trade him?

Speaker 9 (02:17):
Now?

Speaker 8 (02:17):
What kind of value would you want back? And I
think based on what we said yesterday before, maybe a
little bit disappointed with the return.

Speaker 2 (02:25):
Are we certain on what that is?

Speaker 4 (02:27):
I don't know how we know that. It's pick one
seventy one for pick two seventeen and Joe Milton. So
the Patriots now have one to seventy one in the
fifth round in the fifth round, correct, which was a
compick for Dallas, okay, And.

Speaker 8 (02:42):
That does close a sizeable gap that the team had
between their other picks. So I mean, I'm not you know,
yesterday we all said, I mean, I think Paul you said, Evan,
you said top one hundred pick. Paul, you said top
from day one or.

Speaker 3 (02:54):
Two two pick. Yeah, the day two pick is what
I if I was going to move him because he's young,
he's affordable, and if you want to continue to work
with him, isn't that more valuable than moving him for
a swap of what would you say about forty forty
spots something like that? Now, you know, I wonder if
maybe they had felt like we can have a chance

(03:16):
to get something for him. Now, let's let's take it,
and uh, you know, maybe they didn't see the value
that we kind of saw, you know, after the Buffalo
game last year.

Speaker 2 (03:25):
So I go back to our conversation when Joe Milton
first got drafted, and you're bringing up why they do this?
Why are they bringing.

Speaker 3 (03:34):
In the back of my mind all morning?

Speaker 2 (03:36):
Yeah, So now two years later, is it maybe you know,
we don't need that distraction.

Speaker 3 (03:43):
I wonder. Yeah, that's why I said. It's been in
the back of my mind.

Speaker 8 (03:45):
One year later, That's why I know about it.

Speaker 4 (03:48):
That's the only explanation I can get to that makes
logical sense to me is that they wanted to clear
the decks for Drake May and make sure that there
was no mac Jones Bailey's Appy two point zero potentially,
and they felt like this was the best approach. You
have Josh Dobbs, who's a veteran backup that he knows
his role and knows where he fits on the team.
And it's Drake May's team, it's Drake May's quarterback room,

(04:11):
and there's no you know, Joe Milton in the background.
I'm the same Joe Milton did anything wrong.

Speaker 2 (04:16):
And don't rule out his agent like going to Patriots
and say, hey, we want to trade you know, he's
now third in the pecking order, should be second, whatever.
Don't rule that out that the agent's part of this too,
Like I want to get him on a team where
he at least has a better chance to.

Speaker 3 (04:31):
Get a great point. Fred I wouldn't be shocked at
all if Milton was driving this.

Speaker 2 (04:35):
Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 4 (04:36):
Yeah, there are a little bit of reporting in that. Yeah.
Mass Live has a couple of reports about that that
potentially Joe Milton was I don't know, wanted to use
requested to trade, but maybe it was kind of like
where do I fit into this entire thing? But I
just look at he's going to doubts like a sixty
million dollars quarterback, Like it's not like he's going to
start in Dallas. So I look at the way that

(04:57):
Vrabel has moved all off season, and I just think
that he cares a lot about the dynamic of the
locker room and the culture and you know that sort
of thing. And I think they felt like there was
a potential tension that could be caused there by Joe Milton.
And if you keep him around and he has a
great preseason and a great training camp.

Speaker 8 (05:16):
Distraction, it's a destroyer.

Speaker 4 (05:18):
It might have helped his trade value, but it might
have also been a distraction.

Speaker 5 (05:21):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (05:21):
So Joe Milton off the team. We can put that
one to bed. That whole discussion. It's now the Josh
Dobbs era here for the back ups.

Speaker 8 (05:33):
Get ready. I also just wanted to point out there
also reports that the Patriots had better compensation offers but
chose to send him to Dallas because that's where Milton
wanted to play. So that's also a report that's out there.

Speaker 3 (05:45):
So Freddy and I were playing a little catch up
on some of this stuff. I find that one really
interesting and really not shockingly hard to believe.

Speaker 10 (05:54):
I find it hard to believe too, because like, you're gonna,
out of respect to a guy that was on your
team for one year, You're gonna send him to a
desirable place, but then you're just gonna cut Juwan Bentley,
who's a long time captain at like week after free agencies.

Speaker 3 (06:08):
Not only a guy that has been on the team
for one year, but a guy that they didn't really
have this coaching staff didn't really have a connection to.

Speaker 10 (06:15):
Like what do you owe Joe Milton?

Speaker 3 (06:17):
Yeah? I mean I think this might be one of
those semantics things like maybe someone was willing to offer them,
you know, a sixth round pick without a pick swap,
or you know, a fifth round pick maybe without a
bike something they.

Speaker 8 (06:28):
Left a squirt rounder on the table. Correct, But it'll
be interesting. We're gonna hear from from Josh McDaniels at
one o'clock and I'm sure.

Speaker 2 (06:36):
That'll go to that question on the show. So when
Josh McDaniels is speaking today, a lot going on. Yeah,
the offensive coaches are speaking in a scrum setting, but
the coordinators are going to the podium. So Josh is
falling during the show. So we're going to go to
him live when he's up at the podium, you know,
hear what he has to say.

Speaker 8 (06:54):
Yeah, I think if it's all right, Evan and I
will go. And also just listening, all right, want to
listen in on the offensive coaches. We haven't met the
offensive coaches yet in person, so it'll be a first chance.
You know, they don't know who the deuce is yet, right,
do you think he's gonna ask the tough question?

Speaker 3 (07:14):
So I would admit to being a little surprised that
the Milton thing came down the way it did, not
the compensation anything like that. That to me is about what
I was expecting something day three issue. But I thought
they would hold on to him. I was I'm a
little surprised they made the trade.

Speaker 2 (07:28):
Well, it's interesting because the news broke while Paul and
I were in the Hall of Fame committee, and I
saw a couple of scribes having to scratch them. Yeah,
did you see him.

Speaker 8 (07:41):
Throw the ball?

Speaker 4 (07:42):
And I just think the compensation it doesn't surprise me
in the respect that he didn't have the market that
some people were throwing out there. It surprises me that
the Patriots were in a rush to trade him if
that was all the compensation was, That's what I'm saying,
and I just the only thing that makes any sense
is that they were worried about the dynamics in the

(08:02):
locker room because there's no rush to trade him. He's
on a rookie contract, he's cost controlled. This wasn't an
offer that was blowing you away that you were like, oh,
we have to take this third round pick for Joe Milton.
So Vrabel's big on it. He's clearly big on all
this culture stuff. And that's the only explanation because the
compensation is not great.

Speaker 8 (08:21):
Yeah, I'm a little torn on it because I've said
many times I believe draft a quarterback almost every year.
It's just great business to always draft one develop them.
But on the other hand, like I'm seeing that, you
can always get something for you can always kind of
just if they're okay and you do decent job developing,
you can at least tread water and get essentially the
same compensation back that you spend on him. So you're

(08:41):
running in place a little bit, but there's still value there.
And I think they might draft a quarterback this year.

Speaker 2 (08:46):
I mean, I don't know if this is true, but
is there like a maxim in the league where quarterbacks
rarely lose value?

Speaker 8 (08:54):
You know, Well, that's where my head is that. I
think we saw Joe Milton in the preseason in the
training can whereas up and down it was looked pretty
good seven on seven. I remember being like, and that
was what I think Ben Volan wrote, like, we have
a true coul quarterback.

Speaker 3 (09:08):
It's the best quarterback in camp.

Speaker 8 (09:10):
And then all of a sudden it was eleven on
eleven and Joe Milton had a little more trouble and
wasn't processing as quick, but he looked better to me
in that last game. I know some people are making
him out like it was you know, God's gift in
the final game.

Speaker 3 (09:21):
Yeah, I mean I'm a big fan of taking a
quarterback every year, and I would be surprised if they
didn't find one somewhere this year as well. I mean,
they only have two now on the roster. I mean,
obviously he'll bring somebody. Well, I shouldn't say obviously, I
would expect them to bring someone in yep, regardless of
whether he's drafted or not. But yeah, I mean this one,
you know, in terms of you know, quarterback commodity, maybe

(09:43):
this one didn't pan out to give you anything more
than what you took, but that shouldn't stop you every
year from thinking in those terms. You might be able
to draft a quarterback, develop him, and get a little
bit more for him then you invested in them.

Speaker 4 (09:56):
But I also just don't think that they sold as
high on the investment as they possibly can.

Speaker 3 (10:00):
Yeah, and that's why I think that you and Fred
might be right about the off field aspect of this
with Drake. May just sort of clearing the decks. Don't
give Drake anything. You know, if Drake is all of
a sudden, let's say he struggles in the middle of September,
two or three starts in, he's not playing very well,
you know that you're going to hear it.

Speaker 2 (10:15):
Yeah, well put in Milton.

Speaker 3 (10:17):
Look and he did against Buffalo last year, you'd hear
that absolutely, So maybe that had part of it, part
of the reasoning too.

Speaker 4 (10:23):
Yeah, this was always when we talked about it when
they drafted him, like this was he is a he
has a lot of tools, and the tools are enticing.
The arm strength is enticing, the size, the mobility with
Joe Milton is all enticing. And if they draft another quarterback,
you'd have to think that would be more in that
like backup mold, like someone that's truly, you know, not

(10:44):
really gonna have the high end trades that Joe Milton
has because, like we talked about then, you know, you
see him throw one seventy yard bomb where he hits
the back foot and the ball just launched out of
his arm, and you're just like, that's an incredible throw
and it's like it's attractive, it's tande. And now we
get to the point here where I feel like that

(11:04):
kind of came to fruition with that Buffalo game. So
it's just a weird timing if you ask me, other
unless that's it, unless it's dynamic, any.

Speaker 8 (11:11):
Chance they were just trying to protect the lighthouse. Fred,
is that something that might have been on the dock
at They just don't want Joe Milton launching a bomb
through that light.

Speaker 2 (11:18):
One of those windows. Yeah, could be another news. Paul
and I were just at the Hall of Fame committee
and that just broke up as always, was not nominated.
Very good, very good conversation. I can tell you who
I'm my first selection is going to be?

Speaker 11 (11:37):
Or was?

Speaker 2 (11:37):
Is Adam Vinitari?

Speaker 3 (11:40):
So that was mine as well?

Speaker 2 (11:42):
Yeah, So, I you know, I think the time is
to get him in right now. I think he got
lucky that he didn't get into the Hall of Fame
kind of you know, selfishly, because now you can get
him into the Patriots Hall of Fame before Canton. So
this is that opportunity. Let's do Let's do it. I
think the voting will be on patriotes dot com probably
next week. Uh so everybody vote for Adam minitary.

Speaker 8 (12:05):
Was there any need for discussion about Bill Parcells? I
know Robert Kraft is already putting him in, But did
you guys have to talk about that at all?

Speaker 5 (12:11):
Or no?

Speaker 3 (12:12):
So Robert Craft did come by and sort of explain
to everybody actually apologized to the committee for doing it,
you know, sort of without our knowledge. Obviously, no need
to do that. He can do it actually because his team,
so no, we don't. We do not discuss the contributors
that are named by Robert Craft. That's just sort of

(12:33):
separate editing. But yeah, Robert Craft and Mike Rabel came
by the meeting.

Speaker 2 (12:38):
They might.

Speaker 3 (12:40):
I looked around.

Speaker 2 (12:41):
He was a little record.

Speaker 3 (12:44):
He was a little disappointed because I think when he
started to talk and he kind of made a crack
at the beginning, and there was nobody standing right behind
him laughing with their arms folded.

Speaker 8 (12:53):
I'm available, such as yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:58):
But you know, no, he was good.

Speaker 3 (12:59):
He can't by and talked about kind of being that
you know, Susan Lucci type that was always nominated and
never won until he finally.

Speaker 2 (13:06):
I thought it was funny though, like Robert comes in
and you know, people are like, oh good. You know,
Rabel comes in after him. He goes good morning. Anyone's
like good morning, coach, got coach big. He has that presence.
I have a bone to pick though with your guy,
mister Mike Felger. I often get pissed off at what

(13:28):
he says because.

Speaker 3 (13:32):
That's why I spoke about I always didn't say anything.

Speaker 2 (13:36):
I mean, you know, I listened to the show. I
find it entertaining. It's my go to show. I admit that.
But you know there's times where I hear Felger saying
things and I know the truth, and it's just so
aggravating to hear him repeat things. And and you know,
yesterday's show, he didn't say that the Hall of Committee
voting is rigged or anything, but he didn't say it

(13:57):
wasn't either. And I the fact that he allows to
perpetuate I wouldn't you know, if you think it's rigged,
I can't blame you for thinking that, like going on
and on, you've gotta send our guy in. It just
pisses on her. It just pisses me off, because Paul
knows that if anything, the people in the room are
afraid what the fans are going to vote. It's not

(14:18):
there is no thumb on the scale. There's no rigging
of this. This is once the three people are set,
you know, put forth by the committee, it is one
hundred percent up to the fans on who gets in.

Speaker 3 (14:31):
Yeah, I blame the committee just as much as the fans.
I'm an opportunity ripper. Yeah, hi, rip everybody.

Speaker 2 (14:36):
But like you know, on the highest rated sports show
in Boston, you know, they're kind of not you know,
saying that that could be a factor. And it just
pissed me off to no when yesterday.

Speaker 8 (14:47):
To hear that call in Freddy in the car call.

Speaker 3 (14:51):
Yeah, but you know fred not like he's never done
it before. He's argued with with Felger right here in
this very studio.

Speaker 2 (14:57):
Oh yeah, that was before he was he was anybody.
He was just a guy on AM radio at the time.

Speaker 8 (15:03):
I told Paul when I was at the owner's meetings
earlier this week, we were there very early in the
morning and we went and saw where they had stuck
Felger on I was saying quotes radio row because it
was kind of an afterthought. But I took one look
at that table. There's like a dumpster there, there's like
three generators all going, and like, oh, this isn't gonna
fly for Felgers. A rough radio setup, but good stuff.

Speaker 2 (15:24):
I give him credit for going down there and thinking,
I don't know if it was his idea, but doing
that and taking advantage of it, because you got you
got you know, goot some good guests.

Speaker 8 (15:32):
Yeah yeah, brighton early I saw Seth Rabes and walking
over to do the interview, and but we didn't see
we didn't see Felger show off to the little scrummer
on the table though he waited. Came back for the party,
though he was there for the party.

Speaker 3 (15:42):
Oh he did come back there for the party.

Speaker 5 (15:44):
Oh wow.

Speaker 2 (15:45):
Oh yeah, Hold some people, he says, Yeah, what else,
Hall of Fame Committee anything.

Speaker 8 (15:53):
I was just I mean, I not to reiterate, but
like I'm excited to hear from the coaches today. We haven't,
like I said, we haven't met any of these guys.
We haven't gotten any sense of Josh and what are
thought his thoughts on Drake and the evolution of the offense.
I think he's had a lot of people speaking for
him about how he's approaching this, what he learned on
these college visits that he did over the last year.
It's it's funny. It's it's like one of those characters

(16:15):
all of a sudden comes back to the show that
you haven't seen in a couple of years, and what
has he learned, what's different? How does he feel to
be there? So it's gonna be cool. I think to
hear from Josh McDaniels again, it's it's just I keep
forgetting that he's back. It was like, it's such a
fixture here for so long, it's a big thing. But
it's like all of a sudden, it's like, oh, yeah,
Josh is back, he's the offensive coordinator again. I yeah,
totally forgot.

Speaker 4 (16:35):
Yeah, I'm sure there'll be a lot of questions about
the dynamic there. And you know where you Rabel's guy,
and Rabel has mentioned a lot about Todd Downing and
Thomas Brown and Doug Moron having large roles in some
of the coordination frankly of the offense, and so I
am interested to see how that goes all goes down.
And the Patriots have never had a pass game coordinator before.

(16:57):
Thomas Brown has got that title now. So it's kind
of like the office space meme, like what is it
that you do around here? Like, I don't know what
that really means. People skill, I'm kind of skill to
hear what that what that exactly entails to him in
terms of that role. And you know, Ashton Grant is
now Drake May's code, you know, quarterbacks coach so that's

(17:18):
another new face. So you know it's a whole reworked
coaching staff.

Speaker 8 (17:23):
Have space No another one.

Speaker 10 (17:27):
Four after Jaws.

Speaker 4 (17:29):
I mean it's I mean, it's way better than Jaws.
I would watch it.

Speaker 2 (17:35):
Had to watch Off the Space twice. The first time,
I was like, what is the big deal about this movie?
But then I watched a second and I was like, Okay,
that's fine, but there's there's some memorable moments in it
that are kind of me.

Speaker 8 (17:49):
I guess that brought up or when they.

Speaker 4 (17:54):
The computer, Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 8 (17:55):
Oh yeah. Uh.

Speaker 2 (17:57):
Let's go to some of the reactions for Milton. As
you might expect, there are a lot of fans who
aren't happy. Lesson Ottawa. Just wanted to begin by telling
you how much I enjoy the show, even if Paul
is the most persistently negative person I've ever heard, speaking
of which I would be interested in your take on
the Milton trade being announced. If it's true, this seems

(18:18):
like the kind of trade a desperate team would make,
not a team with a valuable asset they didn't have
to trade at all. Milton and a seventh round pick
for a fifth seems like a gift to the Cowboys
after a disastrous for a season as the upside de
facto GM? How does Elliott will survive such a terrible trade?
Is it time for him to go? Do you think
the Cowboys would give us back to seventh for him? Wow?

Speaker 8 (18:41):
I'm going to jump in real quick. I don't know
why people get this angry about it, and I know
there might be people on the show that are angry
about it. I just can't get that worked out about
a Day three trade with a third string quarterback, Like
you cannot like the trade? Great? But is it like
a referendum on everything they're doing? Does that overshadow signing
Stefan Diggs last week? Now you're all worked up about.

Speaker 2 (19:00):
I don't know if the person's being sarcastic, but.

Speaker 3 (19:04):
I don't think that was sarcastic, Okay, And I would
just say because the reason I don't think that email
is sarcastic is because it's in line with a lot
of what I'm seeing leading up to this trade and now,
and because it operates under a flawed premise. Quote unquote,
that's all you got for Joe Milton, right as if
you're right, everybody in the NFL is wrong. He's really

(19:26):
worth a second round pick. He's really worth. He could
have gone to the Giants, so you could flip flop
from four to three so you could take Travis Hunter.
That's what people were legitimately suggesting. So if that's your premise,
no wonder you think I'm the most negative person you've
ever seen. But it's what I'm here to tell you.
You're going to get a Day three pick for you.
That comes off as negative, but that's reality.

Speaker 4 (19:47):
Right, and so much of it. It just surprises me
about that, in particular because every single person I know
covers the team pushed back on the notion that it
was going to.

Speaker 3 (19:57):
Be everyone, and I often critical of my car, I
mean everyone Evan.

Speaker 4 (20:03):
So like, I don't know where that was coming from,
that they were going to get this King's Ransom from
Joe Milton, because it certainly wasn't coming from anybody here.

Speaker 2 (20:11):
It came from that last game.

Speaker 4 (20:12):
But I know, but like, where was the actual tangible
evidence that they were going to get that kind of return,
Like every single reporter I know on this beat said,
it's not going to be as much as you think
it's going to be. When people have mock drafts or
Joe Milton. To Paul's point, it's getting them like the
first overall pick by swapping.

Speaker 3 (20:31):
To the Giants, so you can get one of the
two blue chip players by giving the Giants Joe Milton,
they don't have to take Sanders. Now that what you said.

Speaker 4 (20:40):
I agreed that with some of the email, not a
lot of it, but some that the trade was a
little hasty, Like there was I didn't see any reason
to do this other than if you were, like I
keep saying, worried about the dynamic in the quarterback room,
because otherwise, you have a cheap cost controlled rookie contract
quarterback that signed for the next three years. You have

(21:02):
a lot of rope there to hopefully get his value
even higher, like maybe he plays really well in the
preseason next year and maybe somebody gets hurt and you know,
on another team, or a backup quarterback gets hurt around
the league or whatever, and maybe you get more in
the trade. So the fact that they did it now
tells me that there was some dynamic.

Speaker 10 (21:22):
How Toy, Yeah, well, I feel like since the second
the offseason ended or the offseason started, we'd been hearing
that he kind of wasn't thrilled with his position on
the depth chart, he probably wanted out, and obviously that
was continuing up until last week.

Speaker 2 (21:35):
I don't know.

Speaker 10 (21:36):
Maybe we saw this guy play one game, right, like
these guys evaluating him saw in practice every single day.
Maybe in their eyes we sold high, right.

Speaker 3 (21:44):
I kind of think you're right. I think if they
looked at it and said, the longer we wait, yeah,
the less value has now. I think that Fred's point
in Evan's point about that the off field stuff probably
has a big part to do with This may not
have been strictly a football trade. It may have been
as much about that as anything else, but that doesn't

(22:05):
change his value. Just because you want to trade a guy,
maybe not for football reasons, doesn't mean you get that's
the only thing you get back fro him. You can
get as much as you want back from him. I
can't believe that they had like someone was offering something
significantly more than they took, they chose to do that.

Speaker 4 (22:26):
No, I don't think that there was an offer for
anything more than what they took. But this, to me,
wasn't worth trading him like a quarterback.

Speaker 3 (22:35):
You I would have because I think that there was
a chance, Like I think you could was going to
be even if nothing all the year, you probably could
have made this trade this time next year.

Speaker 4 (22:46):
Right, Like, basically you're getting the equivalent of the sixth
round pick back for what you use to draft him.
And now you know Paul's point earlier, like they probably
are going to have to invest in another late round
quarterback because they need another quarterback. Unless you know they're
just going to roll with two, They're gonna need another quarterback.
So you're you're basically going to be trading you know,
Joe Milton for like you know, Curtis Rourke or something

(23:07):
like that, you know, late on day three now, so
I just I would have waited. But it's the only explanation,
is right, there was more going.

Speaker 2 (23:15):
On wan in Monterey, Mexico. He wanted to start by
saying May was always clear number one for me. I
hate this trade mainly because I don't like Dobbs as
a backup, and we already have seen May not finish games.
If the reason is because Milton was a distraction, I
get it. But Milton is a higher has a higher
upside than backup as backup than Dobbs.

Speaker 8 (23:37):
You might, but Milton's also an older guy. He's not
a raw clump of clay that you needed to work
with to get like. He's kind of what he is
at this point. He needs to learn how to prog
you know, process and get the ball out. Those are
the biggest issues to me when we watched him in camp.
But I just I kind of think he's pretty close
to his ceiling as he is, especially physically, you know, And.

Speaker 10 (23:59):
People are acting like we saw him play Buffalo starters
last season.

Speaker 2 (24:02):
You know, we didn't throw the ball.

Speaker 3 (24:08):
Like if you watched him at all in college, you
know how good his armies, his skills are off the charts.
But as a quarterback, I'm not sure that that matches.

Speaker 2 (24:17):
Jacob in Rochester. Can we talk about how they pretty
much gave Joe Milton away? The terms of the trade
seemed ridiculous and not worth it, especially if he played
well in the preseason could have increased his trade value
for the off season for next offseason.

Speaker 8 (24:31):
Maybe, I mean, but I get it.

Speaker 2 (24:32):
We don't know the extenuating circumstance, right.

Speaker 8 (24:35):
And I think I respect that point of view that
maybe you could have gotten more if you had held
on to him, and why they were I respect it.
What I just don't understand is this feeling of outrage
and this is ridiculous, And it just goes back to
what Paul said that you were expecting that this guy
was going to come back this spring and summer and
maybe be pushing Drake may because if he was going

(24:55):
to get a high compensation, that's what would have to happen,
which may be great for the pay if they got
a day you know, first day two pick, but at
the same time you're gonna be dealing with the drama
of Wow, Joe Milton's playing great right now and it's
it's becoming a controversy.

Speaker 3 (25:09):
I would have held onto him for the reasons that
Evan said. But yeah, I totally recognized that he could
have played this preseason and did what he did last
preseason and you're getting a pick swap in the seventh round,
sixth round, whatever, or he could have played like he
did in the Buffalo game and maybe you get something
significantly more than that that that I could totally hear

(25:30):
that I would have done that, because to me, this
is about as little as you're going to get for
a guy. So I don't think he can really hurt.
It's not like if he played poorly in the preseason,
you were going to get less than that, so I
would have held onto him. But I understand what they
were doing and it doesn't sort of outrage me. To
use Mike's points.

Speaker 8 (25:45):
Just doesn't dampen my excitement at all.

Speaker 3 (25:48):
Well nothing, but in fairness, nothing is ever damped in
excitement for anything played to talk to Josh McDaniels, you
and I.

Speaker 8 (25:55):
I know that with Josh McDaniels for I want more.

Speaker 2 (25:57):
I need more of that.

Speaker 3 (26:00):
I can't wait too today.

Speaker 8 (26:02):
I was also going to push back on Paul being
the most negative person because I.

Speaker 2 (26:05):
Don't maybe I'm totally wrong negative but not negative.

Speaker 8 (26:10):
I think Paul just has this thing where he always
is able to see the other side and has a
desire to argue it, and it's not necessarily he's always
arguing the wrong side, Like if I were to take
a negative take, I could see policy in the positive
side of him pushing back with the positive side as well, like,
I just don't see you constantly taking a dump on
every single take.

Speaker 10 (26:27):
You probably would have made a great attorney.

Speaker 2 (26:29):
Right, Dan Michigan. If you discussed the possibility that Milton
was possibly moved to avoid a locker room problem due
to the potential for a perception of a quarterback competition
that seems odd to me giving the evaluations of May's
ability in comparison to Milton's and the reports of May's competitiveness.
Am I overrating May, underrating Milton, or underestimating the potential

(26:52):
for a QB controversies and the influence of fan and
radio murmuring on the locker room. Yeah, it's not, I'd say,
eternally it's the problem. It's all the external noise.

Speaker 5 (27:02):
You know.

Speaker 4 (27:02):
Yeah, I think it's the last one. You just we
heard it even last year at times, you know, with
you know, the last game especially, but just in general,
they're you know, just a Joe Milton mania, if you will.
And I think that's to me, that's why the trade
was made, was because they were worried that that type
of thing was going to go down and it's just

(27:23):
better to clear the decks. I don't think they felt
like they had, you know, this diamond in the rough
and Joe Milton that was going to go on to
be you know, the next Tom Brady or Kurt Warner.
You know that they found on late on day three,
So they just decided that it was not worth it.

Speaker 2 (27:37):
Jacket and Arbus is something that at first I was
like now, but then I was thinking, maybe he says,
instead of the Patriots accepting short value to trade Joe
Milton as a favor to Milton, who apparently wanted to
go to Dallas, what if the trade was made as
a favor to Jerry Jones. Do the Patriots, oh, Jerry
Jones a favor or do the Patriots expect a favor
from Jones in the future. The reason why I was like,

(28:00):
it made me think is what if Terry Jones wants
to create a quarterback controversy.

Speaker 3 (28:06):
So I do think that there. I mean, I don't
know if that's creating a quarterback controversy, but it it
it does. It is on my mind that there's a
possibility that they're having second thoughts about Dak. There was
a report about maybe three weeks ago. Looks like it
was never anything to it, but you never know. Sometimes
when this smoke with these kinds of things, some guy,

(28:27):
some like obscure radio out in Cleveland was suggesting that
there was a trade in the works for the Dak
Prescott to Cleveland for the number two overall pick Now,
that wasn't the entirety of the deal, but that was
the crux of it, and you had to take to
Sewan Wott and it never really I didn't hear any
of that, but I never it never like got sort

(28:49):
of legitimized by anybody reputable. Right, it actually opposite, right,
but when But I've also seen that before too, like
all that that there's nothing to that, and all of
a sudden behind the scenes. We've seen that here right right,
we've seen that here with stuff that we've known has happened,
and then the media discoveries they no, no, that never happened. Well,
we know what did? I just wonder if Dallas maybe

(29:11):
is having second thoughts about long term Dak Prescott. Well again,
and that's what you know, Evan, You made that comment
like why on earth would Milton want to go there?
Might have an opportunity to play because Dak misses games.
That's a much better player obviously.

Speaker 4 (29:26):
Yeah, I just don't. Maybe Milton looks at it like
he has an opportunity to truly be the backup quarterback there,
whereas here he's competing with Josh Dobbs.

Speaker 3 (29:34):
Maybe it was the Josh Dobbs thing that that caused
me want to.

Speaker 4 (29:37):
Go there's there's a zero point zero percent chance that
Joe Milton's starting in Dallas for the future.

Speaker 3 (29:43):
You mean like long term ever? Yeah, I mean other
than like a spot start here.

Speaker 4 (29:48):
Yeah, he's going to be the starter.

Speaker 3 (29:51):
No, I agree, they're not going to supplant Dak Prescott.
But like to Alex's point, if he gets like hurd
again and all of a sudden he cooper rushes it
and goes in for like a games and wins six
of them, Yeah, Like I just wonder if he looks
at it, is that kind of an opportunity.

Speaker 2 (30:06):
Yeah, Tony writes in if Milton were in this year's draft,
what round would he have gone? Where would he rank
among quarterbacks in this year's draft?

Speaker 8 (30:13):
Just a little higher? I mean higher, But I don't
know he can He's a flyer.

Speaker 4 (30:17):
I don't think you can look at it though, Like
you don't know what you know about his rookie season
with the Patriots, right, Like you have to look at
it and what he was coming out of Tennessee. You
can't factor in the Buffalo game and like say that
that changes your approach. So I still think he's a
Day three pick, even if he came out this year
where there's not as many quarterbacks like, I don't think

(30:38):
that he's all of a sudden going in the second round,
you know. So I think it might have been around better,
maybe just because it's not as deep of a quarterback
class or as good as a quarterback class, But I
don't think it would have been much different.

Speaker 2 (30:51):
Gerald and Grimsby. My opinion of the trade is whatever.
Let's face it, no one was training for Joe Milton
as a starter. He was traded to Dallas where he
is now the backup for a bet a quarterback than may.

Speaker 8 (31:02):
I love it, whatever, whatever, all right.

Speaker 3 (31:07):
But it is interesting. Though it's an interesting trade.

Speaker 10 (31:11):
No one should be more upset than our social team.
He was really good for Montent backslips, good engagement, He
was a good guy on the TikTok.

Speaker 4 (31:19):
He was nice.

Speaker 8 (31:19):
He was really nice, a nice kid, really good guy.
I always talked to.

Speaker 3 (31:24):
Him a lot, but when I did, you seem very nice.

Speaker 8 (31:26):
I think maybe the last week of the season was
when we got him. He came into the scrum in
the Revs locker room and just yeah, great guy, you know,
impressive guy. You understand why so many teams are intrigued
by him. He's got every single intangible and tangible. It's
just he has to put it all.

Speaker 3 (31:41):
I had a chance to speak to him at one
of the television production meetings. Oh yeah, and that's why
I was sort of taking like this. This guy seems
like he's got a lot going on. You know, he's
really family oriented. Talked a lot about his brother Yeah,
I think he has several brothers and says, I think
he has like seven seven. I think he has a
lot of brothers and sisters if I remember correctly. That's

(32:03):
why he wears the number seven. I think he was
number seven.

Speaker 10 (32:06):
I think you're right.

Speaker 3 (32:07):
Yeah, he was an impressive guy.

Speaker 10 (32:09):
Wish him the best.

Speaker 4 (32:11):
I remember when they drafted him. I kind of asked
around about the the dynamic. You know, obviously they drafted
quarterback three overall, and you know we had those discussions
and uh he had down at the Senior Bowl. They
just gushed about the character of Joe Milton and yeah,
they have like kind of like a good Guy award
that they give out. This is the guy that was

(32:31):
kind of the best like locker room guy of the week,
and he actually won it, uh two years ago at
the Senior Bowl, and that that was the type of
guy that everybody thought he was in his So that's
why all this stuff that's been coming out about you know,
he wanted to he had higher aspirations and kind of
force his way out and all that. It just it
kind of surprised me a little bit.

Speaker 10 (32:53):
Well to Freend's point, like it's maybe not only him,
but like his agent too, you know, like maybe he's
not the one speaking up and cause it like causing
directly the drama, but the agent has a job to
do to behind the scenes.

Speaker 3 (33:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (33:04):
I don't hold it against him at all. I mean,
there's a way to do it. Everyone's aware of what
his situation is behind Drake May and in the perfect
world for the Patriots, Drake May is there starting quarterbacks for.

Speaker 10 (33:14):
The next time plus realistic way to look at it.

Speaker 8 (33:16):
You know, it's it's not it's just business. He wants
an opportunity.

Speaker 3 (33:19):
Yeah, and if it's if he in fact did do
it like he requested it and you said, there's a
way to do it. We didn't hear anything really about it.

Speaker 10 (33:25):
It's not like he's tweeting like you know, tet me
out of here.

Speaker 3 (33:31):
He's not removing all.

Speaker 4 (33:36):
Changing his pro follow Yeah he's cryptic.

Speaker 3 (33:40):
Yeah, Carl, I know he did that.

Speaker 2 (33:42):
Like, no, I would never know. No, he's more mature
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Speaker 7 (34:25):
Today.

Speaker 8 (34:25):
What are we all having?

Speaker 12 (34:26):
You know?

Speaker 2 (34:26):
I mean it's like thirteen.

Speaker 13 (34:30):
There you go exactly, guy, get in my belly.

Speaker 2 (34:35):
Everybody loves Ted's in San Diego. What's up Ted?

Speaker 7 (34:43):
Good morning, a good afternoon. Just a few observations. I
was a season ticket holder for the Patriots back in
the early seventies when they opened up that done to
the stadium. The one quick observation from my time before
I moved to San Diego was I think that Chuck
Fairbanks should have been elected to the Hall of Fame

(35:04):
before ourselves. I know Paul has alluded over the at
least the last year or two about Fairbanks and the
great job we did drafting people, but that team was
probably the best team in the NFL back in the
seventy seven, seventy eight, seventy nine era. Screw it out
of the playoff game against the Raiders, which of course
was legendary. But I just feel like if it wasn't

(35:28):
for that owner, that team could have been great for
maybe half a dozen years because they had drafted so
well and they had such elite level players back at
that point. Even though the quarterback was skatey at times,
they still had a team on both offense and defense
that was just outstanding.

Speaker 3 (35:49):
I would agree with you, Ted, And just to let
you know this, will you know, make you feel a
little bit better anyway, you know, Chuck Fairbanks was talked
about at our meeting that Fred and I just came
from for the Hall of Fame nomination meeting extensively, and
a lot of the stuff that you said was brought
up in I think that it's not a stretch to
say if Robert Kraft had, you know, had owned the

(36:10):
team back then, that they would have won super Bowls
in the seventies, because I do think their failures would
directly tied back to Billy Sullivan. And this is not
any disrespect to Billy Sullivan. I just think he just
flat out did not have the finances to be operating
at an NFL level, and I think he tried, but
I just don't think he had enough. And Fairbanks absolutely

(36:33):
is Parcels. I think there's so many parallels between the two.
And I got a lot of people when I wrote
the Bill Parcells story earlier this week, I got a
lot of interaction from fans saying, if Parcels is in,
it's time to get Fairbanks into because they're very similar.

Speaker 2 (36:50):
Can a lot of some people, well, he walked away
from the team, one of the people shared the story,
and you know it's if you were back then, you
know it. He walked away from the team because he
had a handshake deal with John Hannah that the owner
made him back out.

Speaker 3 (37:03):
He was basically the coach in GM. He was in
charge of all personnel, the players, negotiakstead with Chuck Fairbanks,
and he had an agreement in place with John Hannah
and Leon Gray handshake, this is done, all done, And
the owner said no, Well now I've lost my credibility
with my players, like you can't say no, and that's

(37:24):
what ultimately led him to leave.

Speaker 8 (37:27):
Yeah, I went I went back on. When I wrote
for my Pats propaganda blog, I wrote an article about
Chuck Fairbanks nine years ago April eighth, twenty sixteen. But
just some interesting SATs I compiled were six Fairbanks drafted
six Patriots Hall of Famers, Parcels at that point it
drafted five. It might be a little more now because
I'm sure just in nine years a couple of those
guys went in. But Fairbanks was six seasons forty six

(37:47):
and forty, Parcels was four, thirty two and thirty two.
Fairbanks was zero two in the playoffs. I know that
there's some story behind that as well, and Parcels was
two and two. But the other part of Fairbanks for
me is that he part of the Fairbanks bull of
three fourty defense, which was Bill Belichick's basis for the
defense that existed here.

Speaker 3 (38:03):
Forevers brought that from Oklahoma.

Speaker 8 (38:05):
You know, you talk about we get so consumed with
Kyle Shanahan and the wide zone scheme and the schemes,
and you know, here's a guy that not only coached here,
but his scheme went on to be a huge part
of when the Patriots were really successful.

Speaker 11 (38:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (38:16):
And the last thing I would say is there was
you know what Ted finished there about how good those
teams were in the seventies. Is Raymond Berry used to
tell anybody who listened that the heart of the team
that went to the Super Bowl in eighty five was
all Fairbanks guys. You know the hand is you know
all that Crewrogan, you know Grogan, Hannah Claybourne was still there,

(38:39):
Stanley Morgan was still there. I mean Hall of Famer
after Hall of famer.

Speaker 8 (38:42):
Yeah, was that all like the seventy sixth draft or
seventy five.

Speaker 3 (38:46):
Creating that they had three first round picks because Chuck
Fairbanks traded Jim Plunkett to San Francisco for two first
round picks two second round picks. I think it was
a crazy trade they ended up with. I forget the specifics,
but I think they got Mike Haynes, Pete Brock and
Tim Fox in the first round one year. So all

(39:09):
all guys that we're talking about, all guys that are
just you know, nothing in the eyes of young.

Speaker 2 (39:16):
The Steelers were too good, right, London's and great Barrington's.
What's up London?

Speaker 7 (39:22):
It was going on?

Speaker 9 (39:23):
Guys?

Speaker 13 (39:23):
Wait, wait, hold on, So like I think that the
conversation around is Milton trade.

Speaker 11 (39:28):
You guys.

Speaker 13 (39:28):
I understand you guys work at the organization, but I
think you're being way too tame about this. Like, let
me bring you guys back to reality. You basically traded
a potential start.

Speaker 7 (39:39):
No, a starter.

Speaker 13 (39:40):
He is a starter. The fact that Evan I got
beef with you right now.

Speaker 8 (39:42):
Because that's where you lost London.

Speaker 3 (39:45):
I'm getting out of control.

Speaker 8 (39:47):
No, no, bro, you just said that Joe Milton is
a starter down my back.

Speaker 13 (39:50):
Pap before jumped onw my back pape. You traded a
starter a starter, right, he is an absolute starter? Because
why the guy I was he absolutely trying to bring
up a controversy like they didn't want to pay back.
They didn't want to pay back right in the first place,
and that got injured. When he came back from injury,
he wasn't the same player. So they're absolutely trying to
get rid of him. They're trying to get rid of

(40:10):
that contract.

Speaker 3 (40:11):
So you traded a starter, right, he didn't come back
financial potential franchise quarterback for a special teams player at okay,
maybe are.

Speaker 2 (40:19):
You mixing him up with Aaron Rodgers?

Speaker 13 (40:20):
Vondular But like, like I just want to bring you
back to reality.

Speaker 8 (40:24):
But what why do you think he is a starter?

Speaker 3 (40:26):
What have you seen? It makes you think he's a
starter and you think that that's reality.

Speaker 4 (40:30):
But what you came You.

Speaker 8 (40:32):
Saw one game and he's a starter in the NFL.

Speaker 13 (40:34):
Trade His trades are amazing.

Speaker 8 (40:37):
Like the traits, right, we all agree is traits are amazing,
but he's not a starter.

Speaker 13 (40:41):
To start this guy over Drake, Why.

Speaker 8 (40:43):
Was he drafted in the sixth round? He had the
same traits last year?

Speaker 2 (40:46):
Yeah, like thirty two teams had a chance to draft
him and no one did, right.

Speaker 13 (40:50):
And when did they do that before Tom Brady?

Speaker 2 (40:52):
Right?

Speaker 8 (40:52):
So he's Tom Brady.

Speaker 13 (40:53):
I'm saying the NFL teams evaluations can be off, so
like that's true.

Speaker 3 (40:57):
Okay, son, can you give me a favor and give
another one over the span of the last thirty years,
because that's one Oh, rady A. You're right, Brady was
the sixth round pick. Can you give me another six
round pick?

Speaker 13 (41:06):
I just have a question before you guys hang up
on me real quick. I have a question about the
voluntary workout, Like when is Rabel gonna do?

Speaker 14 (41:13):
Uh?

Speaker 13 (41:13):
When is that voluntary work because obviously it's not voluntary
next week voluntary? Is that this month or next month?

Speaker 8 (41:20):
Next week?

Speaker 4 (41:21):
Monday?

Speaker 5 (41:21):
Monday Day?

Speaker 9 (41:22):
Okay?

Speaker 13 (41:22):
And the one last thing, one last thing. I just
feel like Elliott Wolf, everything that he's done feels so
beta to me, Like I'm so done with this guy.
He's He's a bane of the Patriots nation existence Like
variable is a guy, you know what I'm saying. Like
the energy that Verbel brings and his guys that he
brought in, they've shown me real football moves, like aggressiveness.

(41:44):
Everything that Elliott has done, I'm sorry, just feel so
beta and it's like, from a position of weakness, I need.

Speaker 7 (41:49):
This guy out of here.

Speaker 5 (41:50):
Man.

Speaker 2 (41:51):
Okay, thanks, But what I said about.

Speaker 13 (41:53):
Joe when he turned into a franchise quarterback. I'm telling you, man,
remember this call, all right.

Speaker 3 (41:58):
I absolutely London calling, and I'm not killing your take.
I just don't like the characterization like that's your opinion.
He's absolutely a starting quarterback, is your take. That's not
a fact. That's not a fact. He started one game
the last game of the year and didn't even start it,
but played in one game the last game of the
year against an entirety of backup practice squatters. That does

(42:22):
not make you a starter in this league. Dallas did
not make that trade because they think they traded for
a starter. They traded for a young quarterback who they
think might be worth developing, and he might develop into
a starter and London won't be right. But he's not
that now.

Speaker 2 (42:36):
But I like the energy London.

Speaker 8 (42:38):
He embodied what you said that that's where all the
angst comes from when people are very very upset about
this trade is that's the point of view. So it's
a good call.

Speaker 4 (42:46):
I would also just go back to college with him
a little bit. And I've said it multiple times. Michigan
and Tennessee both thought like London about Joe Milton. They
both thought that Joe Milton, you know, he was a
highly recruited player out of high school, went to Michigan. Uh,
you know they that's obviously a blue blood, like a
big football program, flamed out in Michigan. Then Tennessee, you know,

(43:09):
bought in another SEC powerhouse in Tennessee. They bought into
Joe Milton. He has a lot of trades. He has
really high upside in a lot of trades. He has
never put it all together consistently and is never the
whole ball of clay has never been shaped consistently in
any capacity to the point where he spent like five
or six years in college football, you know, just bouncing
around trying to win starting jobs and stuff like that. So, uh,

(43:34):
he's got a lot of talent. And I think that
people see that and they just like London, they get
attached to the talent. But the other thing really quickly
with with Elliott Wolf. This trade does not scream Elliot
Wolf to.

Speaker 2 (43:45):
Me at all.

Speaker 3 (43:46):
Right, you know, there's a developing.

Speaker 8 (43:49):
So Elliott Wolf, who's we don't like Elliott Wolf.

Speaker 4 (43:53):
We do like And I'm not saying that because you
can like it or dislike it whatever you want to feel,
but you know, Elliot Wolfe's father, Ron wolf was a
big believer in drafting quarterbacks even if you had a quarterback,
and they held on to all of their quarterbacks for
as long as they possibly could. Like, moving on from
a quarterback one year into his rookie contract is not

(44:14):
the pack away like, That's not what his father did.
That's not like what his upbringing is in. I I
don't think that that was a move motivated by Elliot
wolf just my take.

Speaker 3 (44:24):
Matt Mark Brunel.

Speaker 4 (44:27):
Yeah, n.

Speaker 3 (44:31):
He held on to and got something and all.

Speaker 2 (44:33):
Being Patriots at the let's go to Eldred, North Carolina.
What's up Eldred? Hey, y'all doing all right?

Speaker 14 (44:46):
I agree? I agree? I'm sorry, cool Evan, You're wrong,
Kenneth Kennethy. He did win win the Liberty Bowl?

Speaker 2 (44:57):
The Liberty Bowl?

Speaker 4 (44:59):
Did he bring? Did he win the Dates Mayo Ball too?

Speaker 14 (45:02):
Did Drake go? Did Drake go?

Speaker 4 (45:04):
Drake? Drake was in the Orange Bowl? I believe one
of his years or one of those big but.

Speaker 2 (45:09):
Did it win?

Speaker 14 (45:10):
Okay, forget all day, forget all day, but I.

Speaker 9 (45:14):
Got I got Elga.

Speaker 3 (45:15):
Can I just judge your real quick because if this
is your opinion, I want to just want to get
it straight. Do you think that they should have Milton
be the quarterback right now and not May?

Speaker 5 (45:26):
No?

Speaker 8 (45:26):
Well, then why bring up what May did in college
as opposed to what Milton did?

Speaker 14 (45:30):
Big av been shooting down what he did in Tennessee.

Speaker 3 (45:33):
Well, he was not a He really wasn't a great
starter at Michigan or Tennessee.

Speaker 4 (45:37):
Correct.

Speaker 3 (45:38):
No one suggested he didn't win any games and routinely
got it beat out.

Speaker 14 (45:43):
By check the year of his college record, putting in
what you got and he's won more?

Speaker 3 (45:49):
Which year, like I said before.

Speaker 14 (45:52):
Buy your boy, he got Draft twenty? I think two interceptions.

Speaker 3 (45:57):
So again you're comparing college stats. If you think Milton
is better than May, then stand by it. If I mean,
if he had a better year than May and you
think Milton should be the quarterback, say that, but you
think May should be the quarterback. So I don't really
know what we're arguing. Not that I have to defend
Evans a good job on his own.

Speaker 14 (46:14):
But Corter to Baldon or Baldi and what'd you call him.

Speaker 3 (46:21):
A while back?

Speaker 14 (46:22):
Yeah, Balding, he's a better quarterback to the one they
got now. And if I was New England. I actd
dreaming about it, but a pilas for a third but
Milton wanted to go to the Cowboys. And I think
I understand it too, because I got a bunch of
cowboy fans in my family. They can't stand dak Well.

Speaker 2 (46:41):
I know that. That's why I was a little bit
raising my eyebrow that to Jerry Jones thing. But Elder,
if what thanks for the call. If what you're saying
is that they could have got a third and they
ended up getting a compensatory fifth form, then somebody should
get fired. I doubt that that was what was on
the table, a third round pick.

Speaker 4 (47:00):
I mean, we're just now we're just rewriting Joe Milton's
college career by the way too, like we're just we're
completely changing what happened in college, you know. And he
basically got told to leave Michigan because they gave the
starting job to somebody else, and he went to Tennessee
Hennon Hooker beat him out. At Tennessee, Hennon Hooker was
actually going to keep playing. Then he got hurt, and
that was the only reason why Joe Milton even got

(47:20):
to play in the first place. At Tennessee, and then
you know, he had a decent year. Eldred's right about.

Speaker 2 (47:26):
Lessons this happen. Like be a Joe Milton fan, that's fine,
you know, like he could Joe Milton with you know,
proper coaching and structure and all that. Maybe all those
that ball of clay does get formed into a good quarterback.
I hope it does for his sake. But right now
in this point in.

Speaker 3 (47:43):
Time, like he lost the Orange Bowl seven.

Speaker 2 (47:48):
You know, I don't know how.

Speaker 8 (47:51):
You could be that up the year.

Speaker 4 (47:52):
That's fine, It's funny because I wouldn't have made the trade.
And I said that, like I said, I wouldn't have
made the trade. I just the overrating of Joe Milton
is where I think we are getting a little bit
worked up, because it's like you're you're just rewriting history
now that he's you know, going to be a franchise quarterback,
or that he's you know, you're predicting the you're predicting
the definitive.

Speaker 3 (48:12):
He's they traded the starter for you know, a pick
swap and from the seventh to the fifth. That's like,
I just don't know that we can say that he's a.

Speaker 2 (48:19):
Starter Phil's and Coventry.

Speaker 9 (48:21):
Hey Phil, Hey, how you guys are doing good? Uh,
you're going about it the wrong way, and I'm surprised
Bart hasn't figured this out yet. The definitive answer to
this big mystery is and I don't mean to spend gossips,
but I think somebody might have wanted his number rhymes

(48:47):
with death, the number ten. Probably wanted the jersey numbers.
So they had to get him.

Speaker 8 (48:55):
Going, oh, okay, okay, don't want to give it.

Speaker 9 (48:57):
And the other thing is, Evan, have you started he's
growing the film on kickers.

Speaker 4 (49:01):
Yet on Kickers? Yeah, I know you love the better
call sauls. That's my take on the kickers.

Speaker 2 (49:08):
All right, thanks.

Speaker 3 (49:10):
So the answer is, yes.

Speaker 8 (49:12):
That's a good kick. Kick.

Speaker 4 (49:16):
I usually leave the kickers to Barth. For some reason,
he's decided that that's a niche that he wants to
be a part of. So like at the very end,
at like one fifty eight, I'll give him, like, all right,
here's your two minutes on the kickers. Go for it.
I don't start a soccer or something. No, he did not,
He just I think he just needed some niches, you know,

(49:38):
and the little should.

Speaker 8 (49:40):
We walk over the things. Probably okay, yeah, I keep sorry.

Speaker 2 (49:46):
All right, you guys, time for a break. These guys
are gonna go up and uh check out the offensive coaches. Uh,
we'll back, we'll come back. When Josh McDaniels goes live
at around one o'clock, well we're gonna go to that
as well.

Speaker 3 (50:00):
But oh, good, good, good good.

Speaker 2 (50:02):
Yeah. So whether you're in you guys, later, we'll take
a break and we'll be right back.

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Speaker 18 (51:12):
How do you feel about how the team has been
spending its money and how much of his reaction to
maybe not spending it last year in infreugency.

Speaker 19 (51:21):
Well, we're just to correct something. There's never been a
case in thirty one years where people have come to
us to spend and we've said no, never one time.
So we've always been willing to spend. When we do it,

(51:45):
we want people to feel that they've done their homework
and feel confident.

Speaker 5 (51:49):
That we're doing it and improving.

Speaker 19 (51:52):
I mean a lot most people would say, given coaches experience,
that what we've done on defense and his knowledge of
that area and the personnel, that we've improved greatly.

Speaker 5 (52:09):
And you know, I think that's so.

Speaker 19 (52:12):
I I know, I don't know, uh, but I'm excited.
And we've always had a strong defense, and I think
any of us that are fans of the team know
we want to try to strengthen the offense a little
you know, on the line and in the receiver area, maybe.

Speaker 5 (52:39):
A speed running back.

Speaker 19 (52:41):
But I I'm talking as a fan, uh, But I
have confidence.

Speaker 5 (52:46):
That this group.

Speaker 19 (52:48):
Is all on the same page and the most important
thing is everyone who's putting team first. And that in
in this business, you can't have little groupings who have
their own ideas. Everyone and the fact that it's starting
fresh and everyone expresses how they feel it, it's been

(53:11):
very exciting for me.

Speaker 2 (53:13):
What would make what would make the season of success?

Speaker 3 (53:16):
What would make the season of success for you?

Speaker 5 (53:18):
For me, yeah, to make the playoffs.

Speaker 10 (53:22):
Robert, what was your reaction to the team's lomarks and
the NFLPA report card and sort.

Speaker 19 (53:27):
Of well, you know, it was eye opener for me
and and then I I put it in context that
you know, in thirty one years, going through these last
two years and the way things were and the culture

(53:52):
was there. I it really opened my eyes in a way,
cause we we think we're bo and we have things, but.

Speaker 5 (54:05):
It just was not a good environment.

Speaker 19 (54:08):
And I and we wanna do everything we can to
make this.

Speaker 5 (54:16):
The feeling is is one of the best places you
can go. And I think we had that.

Speaker 19 (54:22):
For quite a while in terms of winning and people
wanted to come here, and then the last couple of
years changed it. And now it's management and ownership's job
to do everything they can to create the culture that
this is a place that people wanna come to. And
I really believe it. It it's happening. And now we

(54:47):
gotta produce on the field and want people have go
wanna come to be in this environment, and we're trying
to do the different things we can to make that happen.

Speaker 20 (55:02):
Four in June, some NFL owners like Ralph Wilson Dan
Ruby's step aside first took a step back around the
similar age. Are there have there been any discussions any
succession planes things like that?

Speaker 5 (55:15):
Are you telling me? Uh? Well?

Speaker 19 (55:18):
First of all, I think I'm thirty five and you
all will laugh when I say it, but I really,
uh y. You know, in life, look, I was a
little kid sitting I was on those benches dreaming about
owning this team and bringing a winning culture here. I said,

(55:39):
after my family, this team and this foundation to combat
hate and anti Semitism, those are my passions, you know.
I As far as succession, succession is there, I have

(56:00):
uh my eldest son John and has been part of
every key decision I've made for the last thirty odd
years and is a full partner in everything. He stays
out of uh the limelight.

Speaker 5 (56:20):
Uh.

Speaker 19 (56:20):
But we we have a plan that is in place
for all of our businesses. And I don't know, were
you suggesting something that you know that's a bias Sometimes
with age you have experience.

Speaker 5 (56:36):
But let's see what happens this year.

Speaker 19 (56:39):
Let's see let's see what happens over the next two
to three years, Robert.

Speaker 21 (56:43):
But before you go, last year, you had the Tom
Brady Hall of Fame thing that was a big deal.
We had a meeting coming up. We had a narrow
down an amazing list of candidates for a Patriots Hall
of Fame.

Speaker 1 (56:57):
Uh.

Speaker 21 (56:57):
Any advice you might give uh with Minitarry Edelman, Mankin's
others that get in challenging.

Speaker 19 (57:07):
Well, you're I don't know s. People probably get mad
at me for what I'm about to do. But UH,
I know Thursday we have a uh a meeting of
our Patriots Hall of Fame group. And I decided the
end of last week UH to make a call to

(57:30):
sorry camp A da good things happen in the bushes.
I called Bill Parcell's who, and uh I asked him
if he would uh be kind enough to accept going
into our Patriot Hall of Fame. He had been a

(57:52):
finalist for five years, and going back to your question,
while both of us are alive in our late thirties,
you know, I thought it would be great, given me
what he's done for the team, if he would accept
entry as a contributor into the Patriots Hall of Fame.

(58:13):
And he accepted.

Speaker 5 (58:15):
Uh.

Speaker 19 (58:15):
I actually wanted to meet with him in person, but
he was on his way to Saratoga, where he goes.
Uh so he's sort of uh So, I'm excited. Uh
We'll have him at our Patriots Hall of Fame induction ceremonies.

(58:36):
And I'm sorry if I messed up the Thursday meeting
of the people.

Speaker 5 (58:42):
Can I squeeze one off on Newswise? Uh idy?

Speaker 22 (58:46):
Updates on the Evert Stadium and where.

Speaker 3 (58:49):
The big stand and how it's coming.

Speaker 19 (58:52):
Well, you know, I go back. I think back to
when I bought the Patriots. I had gone out to
Saint Louis and met with James Orthwine and knew we
had a stadium that was inadequate, and.

Speaker 5 (59:11):
I called the then governor and.

Speaker 19 (59:13):
Said, I'm going to keep the team from moving to
Saint Louis, but I need your commitment that you're going
to help me get a stadium in downtown Boston. And
he said, I'm there, You're in. And of course we
all know what happened, and the political environment here is

(59:34):
a little different. So we built the only stadium in
America that's one hundred percent private and we're willing.

Speaker 5 (59:45):
To do that for soccer. O.

Speaker 11 (59:50):
Good God to see every buddy, a lot of familiar faces,
your Sa.

Speaker 21 (01:00:00):
Las Vegas, come here, back here where your thoughts just
be in that hell are world?

Speaker 18 (01:00:06):
Yeah, Uh, super excited to be, you know, working in
football again. You know, the the process of getting acclimated
with Mike and the staff.

Speaker 11 (01:00:19):
Is obviously an exciting one for me.

Speaker 18 (01:00:23):
Working with a bunch of guys that you know, you're
getting familiar with them and learning things about them and
our team and our players that we haven't had an
opportunity to work with yet. But just the this is
why we do what we do, uh in coaching, uh,
to you know, form these kind of relationships and hopefully,
you know, build to something that we're all proud of.

Speaker 11 (01:00:43):
Uh.

Speaker 18 (01:00:44):
Once the season starts, So, Uh, I couldn't be more
excited to be here and be back with this organization
and working for Mike, and uh excited for Monday.

Speaker 13 (01:00:53):
Lash relatives to.

Speaker 1 (01:00:54):
Your expectations before we had a chance to meet 'em
at that time of where has great been been?

Speaker 5 (01:01:00):
Relatives? What can expect him?

Speaker 18 (01:01:01):
Yeah, I haven't had a chance to really do football
with him yet, Tom, but you know that'll that'll come.

Speaker 11 (01:01:07):
We'll have plenty of time here coming up next week.

Speaker 18 (01:01:08):
But I'm I'm smitten by the young man in terms
of just his personality. You know, We've had an opportunity
to spend some time that has nothing to do with
football with one another, which I think, you know, has
been great, very beneficial and productive to just to get
to know him, who he is, what he's all about,
what he cares about, Uh, where he's.

Speaker 11 (01:01:30):
Coming from, his family?

Speaker 18 (01:01:32):
Uh and Michael, you know, wedding plans, you know all
that stuff. We've we've kind of had an opportunity to
talk about those kind of things. So you know, I
think next week and beyond will be super fun for
me to really get to know him from a football
perspective and start teaching our terminology and language and seeing

(01:01:52):
how he learns best and how he acclimates. But I
couldn't be more excited about the young man that that
that we have.

Speaker 11 (01:02:00):
I'm usually very early in the process, but what's your
overall feelings of confidence?

Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
Speaking of the safety offensive.

Speaker 18 (01:02:07):
I always start each year with a fresh perspective, you know.
I wasn't here last year, and I know every every
player on our team is going to get a fresh start,
you know, and we're going to give everybody our best.
And our job is to take the guys that we
have on our offense and make them better. And I
think that's a huge part of an assistant coach's job,

(01:02:30):
is to develop the players that you have. I know
our staff is excited to start doing that next week,
and we'll get to know them more as we go.
But I'm confident in the guys we have working right
now offensively on our staff that are that are preparing
to teach these guys the things we want to do.
And then it's a process. You know, we'll get to

(01:02:51):
know them more as we go, but excited. I've met
most of them and looking forward to meeting the rest
of them.

Speaker 19 (01:02:56):
Will be tweaking or advancing offense.

Speaker 2 (01:03:01):
In order to suit even like the quarterback you have
and in the personality town.

Speaker 18 (01:03:06):
Yeah, definitely, that's the short answer. Yeah, I think the
this is a is always a very popular question. We
have a language, and every offensive system, defensive system has
a language. So you have to have a just you

(01:03:27):
have to decide the way you want to speak in
terms of calling things and naming things and whether you
use numbers, protections, or.

Speaker 11 (01:03:34):
You use words or however you do what you do.

Speaker 18 (01:03:38):
So our language has been refined a little bit between
last year with the time that I had and then
dish spring with the coaches. I think that's really getting streamlined.
It's been great to have their perspective on it. Just
you know, being in the same type of language for
my entire career has been good and probably in some

(01:04:02):
ways it's been, you know, a little different than most coaches,
and so these guys have done a tremendous job of
helping us streamline it. So what's most important is that
the players can digest whatever it is we want to do.
But there's the language and then there's the strategy part.
And the language is how you talk. The strategy is
all based about your players and what do we have,

(01:04:24):
what are our strengths, How do we maximize the personnel
that's on our team and on our offense. And that
part is going to be different like it is every year,
you know, whether you you know seven was different than twelve,
Twelve was different than seventeen. Everything was different than twenty twenty.

(01:04:45):
You know, twenty twenty one is going to be different
than this year. So the strategy and what we end
up doing eventually will be all about what's best for
our players and how can we maximize the guys here.

Speaker 4 (01:04:56):
How different is the language and everything for drape don't compared.

Speaker 11 (01:04:59):
To what you had last year, It'll be it'll be different.

Speaker 18 (01:05:04):
I think that sometimes can get overblown because you know,
you one word is apple, and other words tomato, and
one system it means one thing, and another system it
means something else. And the guys, just like men in black,
you take the thing and just wipe the you know, wipe.

Speaker 11 (01:05:21):
The memory clean from you know, some of the things.

Speaker 18 (01:05:24):
But it's a lot of it is what you called
this now we call this and it takes them a
little bit of time to to acclimate to that. Our
staff we've done the same thing and we've honestly, we've
changed some things, and I'm in the process of doing
the same thing too. So what we used to call
something now we call something else because we've agreed that
it's the best thing to do for the team.

Speaker 11 (01:05:45):
So we're all going to be in that same boat.

Speaker 18 (01:05:48):
Sure, we'll come up with a friendly find system when
we use terms that don't mean anything to us now
that used to. But no, I don't expect there to
be you know, there'll be a period of adjustment, but
I don't think that'll that be a big deal.

Speaker 2 (01:06:00):
Can you go deeper into what you're going through? What
you just mentioned different?

Speaker 18 (01:06:04):
Yeah, I mean we you know, we we've had a
way to talk for a number of years, and and
so when you have a great group of guys, I
can't say enough about the offensive staff.

Speaker 11 (01:06:17):
And and so when.

Speaker 18 (01:06:18):
We come together, we've talked about every aspect of our offense.
And so you look at it and you say, okay, okay,
does that make sense now?

Speaker 11 (01:06:28):
It might have made sense ten years ago, five years ago.

Speaker 18 (01:06:32):
How can we streamline it a little bit to make
it make perfect sense and make it even better?

Speaker 11 (01:06:37):
And even though we were doing.

Speaker 18 (01:06:39):
That year to year, I think It's always great to
have guys that have a different perspective because they're the
ones that are going to teach it when they go
into the individual position room. So it's important for them
to feel confident in, you know, the way they know it.
You know, it doesn't matter how I know it if
they're in a different room. So we've really done a
good job of of coming together. They've been given me

(01:07:02):
great input. We've taken a lot of their ideas and
thoughts and try to make it one and whatever. Whenever
the ball gets placed down on the field, it's going
to be our offense and it's our terminology and we'll
we'll all know it by then, but there's gonna be
a little bit of an adjustment period for everybody.

Speaker 20 (01:07:21):
If you had away from football, how did you reflect
on who you are as a coach and how do
you expect to evolve next now that you're back at
the league.

Speaker 18 (01:07:29):
Yeah, I think this was, you know, something you don't
ever think about doing, but I would say it was.
You know, It's just it's a blessing to have the
time to go back and look at, you know, what
you've been through in terms of the changes and different
highs lows. You know, you look back at the past
in terms of what we've done schematically and what the

(01:07:52):
league is doing now strategically. You know, I had a
really good opportunity last year to watch football without a
lot of deadlines, you know, which was a new interesting
opportunity for me, and just see different things that were
coming up throughout the course of the league. You know,

(01:08:12):
there's younger quarterbacks that are that are playing a little
earlier than maybe they were ten, twelve, fifteen years ago.
There's different things that people are using and doing schematically
that are having a lot of success. There's some trends
like there always are that are kind of i'd say,
in vogue now. Whether they stay in vogue for long,

(01:08:34):
I don't know. But it was just a really healthy
opportunity for me to go back and look at what
I've done, what I've been a part of, and then
what else is going on in the league right now
that I need to get better at that I need
to start thinking about incorporating. And then this obviously this
opportunity with you know, Thomas and Todd and Ashton and

(01:08:56):
Doug and Hass and Koog's and the guys we have here.
I mean, it's been tremendous for me to have this
opportunity to to really pick their brains and see what
they know and and gleam as much information from them
as I possibly can. And there was you know, I
got an opportunity to go to a few different places
last year.

Speaker 11 (01:09:17):
I won't say where those were.

Speaker 18 (01:09:18):
But but but you know, there was some there was
some great coaches that were very welcoming college pro I
had an opportunity to see for the very first time
in my life. You know, somebody else run a meeting,
somebody else run a practice, somebody else coach a quarterback.
And those were invaluable opportunities for me. And I know

(01:09:40):
I'm a different I'll be a different person in terms
of going forward because of the experiences that I've had
an opportunity to see.

Speaker 22 (01:09:47):
Josh, when you when you when you were here before Johnny,
there were some players who couldn't get your system, who
really couldn't pick it up. So wondering as you evolved
as a coach, and you're talking here chefternoon, how much
of a coach, how much of growth does you have
to be able to now place all players in a
position to win and be successful.

Speaker 18 (01:10:08):
Yeah, hopefully hopefully a good one. Again, I think it's
a it's a good process for our staff to be
going through.

Speaker 11 (01:10:19):
I would argue we have a lot of guys that
did get it pretty well.

Speaker 18 (01:10:23):
But but I understand the point in the question, and
that's always going to be the case. There might be
some guys that are you know, have a have a
little bit a harder time of getting something. And part
of our responsibility is to take, you know, those things
we're learning about the players and try to figure out, Okay,
if he can learn this, but not this, this and this,

(01:10:45):
then we've got to try to do more of that,
you know. So a big part of that is the
decision making process that we need to go through once
we start to get familiar with the players that we have.

Speaker 12 (01:10:57):
We've heard Mike and Elliott talk about the coaches having
some collaborative voices and up kind of draft. Have you
been able to get your input on what kind of
players you'd like to see added in on the office
and we're able to do dive into free agency as well.

Speaker 11 (01:11:12):
Yeah, they've been great.

Speaker 18 (01:11:14):
I mean, I know all of us have have had
players we've evaluated, both in free agency, and in the draft,
and our job is to give them our honest opinion
and input on the evaluations that we see and then
they they have the hard job figuring out how to
get them on the team. So, yeah, it's been great.

(01:11:35):
We've had plenty of opportunity to look at players and
you know, and compare and contrast you know, across position groups,
what have you, and then you know, give them our
input and then you know, let them go to work.

Speaker 17 (01:11:48):
That's what you're are on the wide receiver room and
just who you have not really currently and you step
on a big edition as well.

Speaker 18 (01:11:57):
Yeah, excited about all those guys. Everybody's got a clean slate,
you know. And and to me, that's going to be
an important message that I know Coach is going to
give on Monday, and we're going to echo that. I've
always you know, it's best to really refrain from making
assessments on people until you really have them in your room,

(01:12:19):
until you get to know them, till you coach them,
until you put them on the field and you're running
drills and running things offensively, and then you have an
opportunity to correct things, see if they can fix it,
make the corrections and get better. And so we have
some young players that you know, certainly have a lot
of ability, and we have some guys that have some experience,

(01:12:40):
some of which I have a little experience with, you know,
KB and Mac and you know some of those guys.
And I'm starting to get to know some of these
other guys that are trickling in here now and super
excited to work with all of them.

Speaker 5 (01:12:52):
I really am.

Speaker 11 (01:12:53):
And Steph.

Speaker 18 (01:12:55):
Steph is a unique individual, unique player, got a really
good skill set, been a very productive player for a
long time.

Speaker 11 (01:13:04):
Excited about his addition.

Speaker 18 (01:13:06):
My brother had an opportunity to coach him last year
in Houston, so I have a you know, a little
bit of insight into you know, what he's like day
to day, and I'm really excited about about having him here.

Speaker 20 (01:13:19):
Last question, guys, last picture up signed three guys that
you're familiar with, Mac Collins, Blayne Apps. Can you sort
of give us a little bit of insight on those guys.

Speaker 18 (01:13:28):
Yeah, you know, I was fortunate to be around all
three of them. Uh good football players, super uh, super individuals,
really high character, care a lot about the little things
and the details. They set a high bar for the
standard in their rooms, and you know, what they expect

(01:13:51):
from themselves, and I think that that then relates to
their teammates and uh, their respective sides of the ball.
And you know, I think all of them are about
the right stuff, and you know, they play hard, they
do they do the things that it requires to be good,
and I'm excited about having an opportunity to work with
them again.

Speaker 11 (01:14:10):
Here yep, thank you.

Speaker 6 (01:14:17):
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Speaker 2 (01:14:26):
All right back here in Patrin's Unfiltered. That was Josh McDaniels,
live at the podium. Good to hear from him. Anything
of note that you thought, uh, not a ton stood out?

Speaker 3 (01:14:36):
I mean, I did you know, there was a lot
of questions as we kind of assumed about the offense
and the changes. You know, how much do you cater
to you know, New York personnel. And mean, I think
there's probably going to be some of that going on
and some terminology changes and whatnot. So I think there's
going to be a learning curve both for the players
learning his offense and for him sort of adapting his

(01:14:58):
new offense to them.

Speaker 2 (01:15:00):
Yeah, so like he said, you know, there's a difference
between our language, which is what we call things that
everybody does, and then our strategy, which is how do
we use our players to their best of their ability.
And I'm glad he said that because you know, there's
everyone's just assuming that this is the tom Brady offense
because that's what Josh McDaniels ran when he was here,
and I hope not because right now Drake may can't

(01:15:23):
do what tom Brady did and the way he did it.
You know, like there could be the structure, like certain
things vertical, using the slot receiver more and all that stuff,
but tom Brady, that was tom Brady's offense, you know
by the time he was done. So yeah, I mean,
I think Josh McDaniel said the same thing that any

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good coordinator would say, is we evaluate who our players are,
what their strengths are, and then we tailor our offense
to those strengths.

Speaker 10 (01:15:51):
I did like the line about Drake that he's smitten
with the young man.

Speaker 2 (01:15:54):
I don't know why. I thought that was funny.

Speaker 3 (01:15:56):
Yeah, he said, I miss I missed that one.

Speaker 10 (01:15:59):
With the young man.

Speaker 3 (01:16:00):
So old fashion from the fifties.

Speaker 2 (01:16:04):
Yeah, good, it gives me the vapors. Yes, because so
good stuff from good stuff from Josh McDaniel's there. Good
to hear from him. So people want to call in
or email about that. It's eight five five PATS five
hundred is the hotline podcast at patriots dot com. Is
the way to email us, and I will remind people

(01:16:26):
if you haven't already sign up for the newsletter. Go
to Patriots dot com slash pu newsletter and sign up
for that. Any teasers this week anything.

Speaker 3 (01:16:40):
So I just you know, I did during the break,
I read the email for the first time, and I
got to tell you I'm gonna have a hard time
because I don't know if I have anything for you.

Speaker 9 (01:16:49):
Really.

Speaker 2 (01:16:50):
Yeah, well for the first question of the second.

Speaker 3 (01:16:52):
Second question, okay, you know the guy fiery question, got it.
I don't know if I have one.

Speaker 2 (01:16:57):
Hey thing long and hard. Okay, you guys know the morning.

Speaker 5 (01:17:00):
I'll do that.

Speaker 2 (01:17:00):
Yeah. Getting back to the emails, just a quick one
caught my eye. Dan in Virginia and Michigan know that
two emails in one show was frowned upon in this establishment.
But a little mentioned fun factoid about Chuck Fairbanks, who
absolutely should already be a member of the Patriots Hall
of Fame, and it's criminal that he isn't is that
he brought Ernie Adams into the Patriots in pro football.

Speaker 3 (01:17:23):
Adams first talked about that today.

Speaker 5 (01:17:25):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:17:25):
Adam's first professional position was an offensive assistant in Fairbanks
Patriots staff. Dan also says something I was remiss in
not mentioning Tuesday, are you gonna mention Patriots dot COM's
nomination for a Webby for your coverage of the Tom
Brady's Hall of Fame induction ceremony and that we can
vote for you? Help us, help you? Thank you, Dan.

(01:17:45):
I did not mention that Tuesday. I should have.

Speaker 11 (01:17:49):
So.

Speaker 2 (01:17:49):
I don't know if people are familiar what the Webby
Awards are, but they're kind of like the awards for
the Internet for stuff that happens on the web. And
this year we put in the Tom Brady Hall of
Fame Induction show as one of the nominees in its category.
I don't know which category it is, but right now
I think we're in second or third place in voting.

Speaker 4 (01:18:11):
Some heavy hitters against too.

Speaker 2 (01:18:13):
We're up against like Wicked in NASA, So help us out. Yeah,
so like Space and like one of the most popular
movies last year. So it's gonna be tough. But if
you go to my X account, Fred Underscore Curse in
my timeline, there's a direct link to finding the place
the page to vote. Because it's kind of tough. There's
a million categories.

Speaker 10 (01:18:33):
Did we have something on petris dot com for it too?

Speaker 2 (01:18:36):
Maybe I think you might have. Yeah, But you can
go to my x account friend underscore cursion, follow me,
you and.

Speaker 3 (01:18:43):
Your friends that are I'm trying to get to well
versed on the world wide Web.

Speaker 2 (01:18:47):
I'm trying to get over the one hundred thousand hump?

Speaker 3 (01:18:50):
How much are you sure about?

Speaker 2 (01:18:51):
Ninety? Same?

Speaker 3 (01:18:55):
I'm straight man. Yeah, see, we did that.

Speaker 2 (01:18:57):
That's an old joke I've been using for many years
because we've been a ten thousand for like ten You.

Speaker 8 (01:19:01):
Caught me that.

Speaker 3 (01:19:03):
I think you used something like I just want to
get to one hundred thousand followers, yeah, And I was like,
how many do you have? And he goes eight. That's
something like that.

Speaker 8 (01:19:12):
That ten thousand thresholds a hard one.

Speaker 3 (01:19:14):
Well, that's the big one because once you get it's
just eleven k, you know, as opposed to eight thousand,
eight hundred and eleven you know.

Speaker 10 (01:19:22):
I'm stuck in fourteen thousand purgatory if you guys want
to help me out.

Speaker 2 (01:19:25):
But another proof that no one can take a joke.
I mean years ago, I did that on on my time, Like, Hey,
I'm trying to get over with a thousand and people,
you're only a ten thousand? What are you talking about?
That's like broke you moron boring people.

Speaker 3 (01:19:40):
Yeah, I'm trying to get to forty okay, and it's
been a long I've been in the thirty thousands for
a long time.

Speaker 8 (01:19:48):
No, that's that's good though.

Speaker 3 (01:19:50):
Really you might say, well, Paul, have you tried actually
tweeting once in a while ago?

Speaker 11 (01:19:54):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:19:54):
You just that might be a lot that might up
your your followers, But no, there are You know, I
think people can figure out, for obvious reasons why I'm
not necessarily a frequent tweeter.

Speaker 4 (01:20:06):
We have to be careful, We have to.

Speaker 10 (01:20:07):
Be careful with the plot on Twitter like you do
on the show.

Speaker 2 (01:20:10):
Yeah, Travis and West Virginia, you've been ignoring my emails lately,
but here goes. Instead of ignoring my awesome emails, you
should ignore it. You know who's boring phone calls for
the betterment of the show. That could be anybody. I
don't know who he's talking about. Evan mentioned the smashing
of a computer in Office Space, but it was actually
a printer, which is fundamental to the plot of the movie.

(01:20:31):
Not sure how he got that wrong or how none
of you corrected him.

Speaker 3 (01:20:35):
I'm not a big office space guy. I'm not gonna lie.
I know the movie, and I thought it was funny,
you know, but it didn't change my life like it
did in anybody that's say, twenty fifteen years younger than me. Yeah,
it seemed to like really impact your lives.

Speaker 2 (01:20:50):
Okay.

Speaker 10 (01:20:50):
I've been getting a lot of inquiries Fred about people
asking me how they I can get you to read
their emails. Someone particularly asked what the best time to
email into the show is during the show to increase
the likely during the show.

Speaker 3 (01:21:04):
Yeah, unless it's like, yeah, tremendous, it has to be
like a tremendous point that we hadn't thought of off
you know, like off show hours. Otherwise during the show.

Speaker 2 (01:21:12):
And by the way, so a lot of people try
to put a headline in that will be make me
read it.

Speaker 3 (01:21:18):
That's because it works for Felger all the time, right, don't.

Speaker 2 (01:21:20):
It's not the headline. It's your first two lines, because
I get a preview in my email column. So it's
the first two lines that will more likely catch my
eye than your headline, because I know a lot of
you try to trick me with your headlines. So it's
gonna be pithy. If you have a really long email,
I'm not going to read it because I don't want
to bore people. It's going to be like a paragraph

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of a concise, good idea or making fun of somebody.

Speaker 3 (01:21:48):
I like that.

Speaker 10 (01:21:48):
Here you go, just make fun of us.

Speaker 2 (01:21:50):
Get it read.

Speaker 3 (01:21:51):
Yeah, And we did the Webby Award, and I think
we all thought it was already there, and it is.
It's on patriots dot com. You can vote there, and
I think you have to do so by April seventeenth.

Speaker 2 (01:22:01):
I think so that's the deadline. So it would be
cool if we want. But like I said, we're against
some heavy hitters there. Let's go back to the hotline
eight five five past five hundred, Brent's and reno, what's up?

Speaker 5 (01:22:13):
Brent?

Speaker 2 (01:22:15):
Brent, Brent is lost his game slots. Let's go to
Nelson in La Nelson, don't swear?

Speaker 5 (01:22:27):
What's up?

Speaker 2 (01:22:29):
Nelson, gone Nelson in LA. I think they got scared
away by that email about you know who, boring email
phone calls. They all think it's about them. Cam and
East Providence. What's up, Cam Cam?

Speaker 3 (01:22:44):
You gotta know?

Speaker 2 (01:22:46):
Are we having trouble with the phones?

Speaker 3 (01:22:48):
Got to push away? Okay, got to push away from
the phone.

Speaker 2 (01:22:51):
We'll try to reset that. We'll go back to emails.
Let's see. Tony says, how could no one asked Josh
McDaniels his thoughts on Joe Milton being dealt Do you
do you agree with that? And do you think that
was an important question?

Speaker 3 (01:23:11):
I don't know. I'm not going to rate the importance,
but yes, that's a question that should have been asked.

Speaker 2 (01:23:15):
It just happened, right, What did you learn?

Speaker 10 (01:23:19):
I mean we only got three questions that asked the
same thing in different words about what did you learn?

Speaker 5 (01:23:24):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:23:25):
And yeah, Joe, someone should ask.

Speaker 2 (01:23:29):
Even if it's just a throwaway question, you got to
get it on record.

Speaker 3 (01:23:31):
I would have gone to the side Josh.

Speaker 2 (01:23:33):
Yeah, uh, Sam and Saint Catherine's not outraged like some
of the others at the trade returner value of Milton.
That just makes me question drafting him. In the first place.
That was kind of Paul's thing in terms of things ball,
no or spew. Drafting a quarterback every year is good business, unquote,
comes to comes in right behind, build through the trenches.

(01:23:55):
But was this good business or punting on a pick
for a year. It's only a nineteen pick difference from
where he was drafted to what we got for him.
Plus he had to we had to give up a
seventh in drafting him. Caused some noise for Drake along
with the first pick this year, although I don't fully
put that win on Joe Milton solely. How was this
good for business? What was the point?

Speaker 8 (01:24:15):
Well?

Speaker 2 (01:24:15):
I think good good email good points also adds to
the speculation that there had to be more than just
getting a low fifth round pick. There had to be
some pressure that, hey, where where do I stand? I
want to move on, I want a chance to play
in this league. You know, please get rid of me.
So I think that could have had something to do

(01:24:37):
with it. But you know, Joe, I mean, Paul, you
were on it when we first drafted. It's like, why
are we drafted this guy?

Speaker 3 (01:24:44):
Well, it doesn't mean that I was right. That was
my feeling, was I just felt I do believe in
that sort of you know, I know it's a cliche
of drafting quarterbacks every year is good business. I don't
think drafting two is necessarily great business. I know Washington
did that years ago with RG three and Kirk Cousins,
and it worked because RG three was great. Then you

(01:25:04):
got hurt, your cousin's played, and he proved to be
certainly a worthy fill in, you know, worthy starter in
the league. Yeah, that worked out. I don't think that
that necessarily is something you have to do. I would
rather have taken a guy there that maybe could represent
another offensive lineman or something right now.

Speaker 10 (01:25:20):
As depth, that example also kind of feels like the exception,
not that rule.

Speaker 3 (01:25:24):
Yeah, I don't know of a lot of teams that
make a habit of taking two quarterbacks in a year
when they need one. You know, it's one thing to
take a quarterback because you just thought, well, the value
was too high and he was available. What else were
we going to take. I like the idea of taking
quarterbacks and trying to develop them. I think this one
had something to do with it.

Speaker 2 (01:25:42):
If you're going to take one to try to develop them,
you've got to keep them for more than one year.
So that's why there was something else going on here.

Speaker 3 (01:25:47):
Yeah, and that's why I think you're right. I think
you're onto something for it.

Speaker 2 (01:25:50):
Luke in Atlanta, can you please read the definition of
the endowment effect. The endowment effect is a cognitive bias
where people assign a higher value to items they own
compared to items they don't, leading to reluctance to trade
or sell them. Everyone freaking out about the Milton trade
is falling victim to this, and it happens all the time.

(01:26:10):
It's one of those all period, all the period. No,
you like that, you don't like that. Nobody in the
league cares about Joe fing Milton. There is a ninety
nine point nine nine nine percent chance that this trade
is utterly meaningless. It is the least important news of
this entire off season. Wow, a lot of caps there too.

Speaker 10 (01:26:31):
People feel very strongly either way.

Speaker 3 (01:26:33):
They have a lot of Milton takes, strong Milton takes.

Speaker 5 (01:26:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:26:36):
Well, it's good for radio. I guess. Spiking Fresno says
I liked London's fire. That was an earlier caller.

Speaker 3 (01:26:44):
I liked London's fire too. I just disagree with him all.

Speaker 2 (01:26:46):
But his listening skills rivaled Mark in the Bays. If
we're loving players based solely upon their trades in our
wildest imaginations, we should be lamenting the loss of Nikhil
Harry size, Taekwon Thornton's speed, Chad Jackson, Jackson's catch radius,
Chris Singleton's strength, in Mac Jones's brain. I'm joking because
Milton isn't necessarily a bust. He might end up being

(01:27:09):
a competent backup journeyman somewhere, or maybe he'll be more
than he's shown. But some people are confusing entertaining traits
with overall ability. People used to lament how boring it
was to watch Tom Brady. I'll take that kind of
boring any day. Who said Brady was boring.

Speaker 3 (01:27:27):
A lot of people just said he didn't have those
physical skills that wowed you. Oh right, it's quarterback. Well
that was early in his career. But people you know,
like you know Aaron Rodgers, just like you know the
way he throws the ball, and you know and Lamar
Jackson the way he runs around. Brady didn't do any
of those things, but he did him all better than
everybody else. You know. The whole idea of being a quarterback,

(01:27:48):
so I know what Spee's talking.

Speaker 2 (01:27:49):
About Sean and Vancouver. To preface this email, I should
say that I am a Joe Milton fan. Five years
from now, i'll probably remember that Joe Milton was drafted
by the Patriots, much less likely if he somehow leads
the Cowboys to the Super Bowl, I'll consider this trade
to be a huge theft silver lining. Milton rather be
in Dallas because he is guessing that Drake may will

(01:28:10):
be the Patriots starting quarterback for the next ten years,
while he is more confident that he'll start for the
Cowboys in less than five.

Speaker 3 (01:28:16):
Boy, Christian Campbell just hit another home run.

Speaker 8 (01:28:19):
It looks good. Freddy kid looks good.

Speaker 2 (01:28:21):
I like what I see from his agent.

Speaker 3 (01:28:24):
I would be looking for a new job. I don't
believe he can't believe he signed that contract eight years,
sixty million. I think he's gonna be underpaid by bye.

Speaker 2 (01:28:31):
Like June, Well, they'll be asking for a new one.

Speaker 3 (01:28:34):
Good luck with that. You just signed an eight year contract.

Speaker 2 (01:28:37):
Valerian writes in that Joe Milton trade is fine in
my mind if we're gonna rebuild this team into a
perennial contender. We're gonna need later round picks that work out.
We drafted him in the sixth round, turned him, turned
him and a seventh round pick into a fifth rounder.
The team gets another shot.

Speaker 3 (01:28:52):
Moved up nineteen spots. I just want that stated.

Speaker 2 (01:28:56):
The team gets another shot in this draft to look
for a player that could be more impactful in the
near future than Milton. Milton was always a great what if.
But if we have our quarterback of the future in
May and Josh Dobbs is a fine backup, pick up
another six round quarterback or an undrafted rookie and move on. Okay,
I think that's what they did.

Speaker 3 (01:29:15):
Yeah, I agree. I would have taken a positional player
last year with that pick, because I think that would
have had a chance in the spot that they were
last year. The more chances that you had to add
players that could help, I would have taken.

Speaker 2 (01:29:28):
Yep, let me see, I want to move on from
the Milton subject. I'm getting bored.

Speaker 3 (01:29:34):
Yeah, I mean, there is really not much else to
say about Milton. I think we all kind of are
a little bit surprised that they moved on so quickly,
unless they were going to get blown away in a
trade deal, trade package, and they didn't. But you know,
it's what it is. I think Fred's right. I think
there's probably as much to do with something away from

(01:29:56):
the field than we know.

Speaker 2 (01:29:57):
Yep, let's see Will Campbell's stuff, Brandon. If Will Campbell
was well above the thirty three and threshold for tackle
arm length, where would he have ranked among last year's tackles.
And if we draft Campbell as a tackle, what's the
plan to make sure he's a better fit there versus
a guard? Do they just line them up against the

(01:30:19):
guy with the longest arms and say good luck? What
goes into evaluating him once they have the player?

Speaker 3 (01:30:25):
I think they'll just evaluate the whole, the entirety of
the package and see if he you know, how he
handles pass rushers. I mean it's not necessarily long arms
pass rushers, right, you know, you know, does he does
he have the ability to keep guys wide?

Speaker 2 (01:30:39):
And I mean as a tackle, there's some rookies that
they get on the team and you don't really see them,
and where when we get to see all the practices
go up against the first number ones once in a
while they put him in. I think if they were
to take Campbell. I think early on, once they get
into August, I mean into training camp, We're going to
see him going up against you know whoever you know,

(01:31:03):
Harvey Lang or whoever it.

Speaker 3 (01:31:04):
Is Harvey Lang.

Speaker 2 (01:31:06):
Who's the guy they've gotten free agency?

Speaker 3 (01:31:10):
Harold Landry, Harold Landry.

Speaker 2 (01:31:12):
Yeah, like.

Speaker 3 (01:31:14):
Wow, I speak Fred, but sometimes.

Speaker 2 (01:31:21):
You make it tough. Harold Landry. Who's Harvey Lang. There
wasn't Harvey Lang.

Speaker 3 (01:31:26):
I have no idea.

Speaker 4 (01:31:27):
It's like a character from the show.

Speaker 5 (01:31:31):
That's good.

Speaker 3 (01:31:33):
It's good.

Speaker 2 (01:31:35):
Let's see. Oh I like this email, Matt writes in
Fred is right, he says, yes, he is one of
the few headlines I'll I'll read. After hearing Fred's proposed
new measurement system for O line arm length, I discovered
that this measurement already exists in the world of biomechanics
and advanced analytics. What Fred is describing, and I did
this on Tuesday. What Fred is describing is the anterior

(01:31:59):
forward plane reach. Basically, Campbell has such flexibility and mobility
as upper body that is more than makes up for
his static arm length. A YouTuber named pat Stats posted
an in depth look at Campbell from a biomechanic perspective
to talk about interior forward playing reach starts thirty eight
minutes into this video.

Speaker 3 (01:32:19):
He concludes, can we watch the video? No, it's only
thirty eight minutes.

Speaker 2 (01:32:22):
I know. He concludes that Campbell's AFPR is elite and
longer than other prospects and players with arms over thirty
four inches. Fred is such a next level thinker that
he was able to independently conjure up this important metric
that teams look at with proprietary analytics. I agree after
of stats video, I'm convinced Campbell should be the pick

(01:32:44):
at four. So I'm going to save that email.

Speaker 3 (01:32:47):
So do you think they're going to pick Campbell at four.

Speaker 2 (01:32:50):
If Hunter and Carter are gone? Yes, yes I will,
and I agree with him.

Speaker 4 (01:32:55):
I think so too.

Speaker 3 (01:32:56):
But I think they're telling too many people that they're
like Campbell.

Speaker 2 (01:33:00):
Oh yeah, yeah, that's that's the times.

Speaker 3 (01:33:03):
I think that they're not going to take them.

Speaker 2 (01:33:04):
That's sometimes a red flag.

Speaker 3 (01:33:08):
I don't I mean, I don't have any like anything
concrete to base that on. I'm just I feel like
at the combine and then at the owners meetings last week,
it just seemed like, oh yeah, well, I don't see
any other way you can evaluate them, you know, he played,
I'm starting to think.

Speaker 10 (01:33:26):
Are you jumping on train?

Speaker 3 (01:33:29):
What's your change?

Speaker 11 (01:33:29):
Running back?

Speaker 2 (01:33:32):
Yeah, before we get into that room where these guys
have been and what they saw on herd, I just
want you guys to know that my idea for measuring
offensive line arm length is already part of advanced analytics,
and I thought of it on my own, so.

Speaker 3 (01:33:47):
That it's not exactly the same as what you said,
but I'm going to give you credit anyway. He talked
about lean forward, leaning, flexibility and stuff. You're talking about
blocking guys with you, the heel of you, which makes
U how to do it, how to do it which
makes no sense.

Speaker 4 (01:34:01):
Had a little arm land talk where we just were
as you can probably imagine.

Speaker 2 (01:34:04):
Yeah, Douckie, Maroon, Jus and Evan are back and we
got to listen to Josh McDaniels. We didn't get to
talk to all the offensive coaches like you did. But
quick question on McDaniels, why did anyone ask about the
trade for Joe Milton.

Speaker 8 (01:34:18):
Yeah, I surprised, I said before I thought that they
that they would.

Speaker 11 (01:34:21):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:34:22):
That wasn't talked about among your friends afterwards. No, No,
I mean there's sixteen people from clintis there not one
person could ask about John Milton? Not that I care,
I really don't.

Speaker 3 (01:34:34):
I do think it's a relevant question.

Speaker 8 (01:34:35):
Yeah, yeah, for sure.

Speaker 4 (01:34:37):
No, I think you know, this was our first time
talking to him since he's back, and I think there
was just bigger picture questions, one.

Speaker 3 (01:34:45):
Less question related to what he's did last year in
his time on Sure.

Speaker 4 (01:34:49):
But I think my point is is that there's more important,
bigger picture questions about Drake May and the offense and
the people that are actually going to be here, and
then talking about I.

Speaker 2 (01:34:58):
Think the most important thing is I didn't know there
was so many nicknames among the coaches already.

Speaker 8 (01:35:01):
Oh yeah, I had to look her because I met
these guys. Who are all these guys like I need
to like professor course on what they're.

Speaker 2 (01:35:07):
Spanky and I was.

Speaker 3 (01:35:09):
I was out after, but I was out after like
the fourth one, Spanky.

Speaker 8 (01:35:15):
It's before your time, just joking comedy. He doesn't, it's
a show.

Speaker 5 (01:35:22):
He wanted to be.

Speaker 2 (01:35:24):
Let's get serious. What did you glean from leaving our show?

Speaker 8 (01:35:27):
Oh? I just I mean you guys probably discussed Josh.
I would just say my one thought on Josh just
seems like chill Josh. I felt I just felt a relaxed,
more relaxed vibe about him. Maybe it's the year off,
maybe it's the off season, maybe the stress just haven't
said hasn't said it yet, But to me, he sounded
a little bit more relaxed, a little bit calmer, in
a good place right now.

Speaker 2 (01:35:47):
He knows the answers to the test.

Speaker 8 (01:35:48):
He does, he does.

Speaker 4 (01:35:49):
Yeah, Yeah. My favorite answer from him was about as
you could imagine the language versus the strategy, and that's
something that we've talked about. I feel like the show
a lot and they speak a different language, but you know,
the strategy is going to be adapted to the players,
is you know what he said? So I think anybody
that thinks that he's just going to put Drake May

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right into the Tom Brady offense and expect him to
operate it like he's Tom Brady.

Speaker 2 (01:36:14):
Well listening to the show, that's exactly what I said.

Speaker 4 (01:36:16):
Yeah, you know they were going to have a little
bit of difference there. I talked a little bit to
Ashton Grant, the quarterbacks coach now be Drake May's coach,
and he said that they're going to keep the footwork
the same, which I was happy to hear about. But
there is going to be more on Drake's plate at
the line of scrimmage. You know, they are going to
put you know, he's going to have the keys to
the ferrari and it's going to be up to him

(01:36:37):
to drive the car. So it won't be the center,
you know, making the calls. It sounds like it's going
to be the quarterback.

Speaker 2 (01:36:43):
And now that's back to that's Tom Brady.

Speaker 4 (01:36:46):
Yep, there's gonna be quite a bit on his plate,
which some quarterbacks love, you know, the kind of the
chess match and all that kind of stuff. Now, I
don't think it's going to be two feet into the
deep end right away. I'm sure that they'll kind of
ease him into that. But he did mention they'll see
how it goes, you know, in the spring, in the summer.
If it's too much, then they'll they'll obviously pull back.

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But it does sound like, you know, Josh McDaniel's really
close to the vest as you can imagine about the
actual scheme tweaks that they're going to make, But it
does sound like they're going to adapt some things.

Speaker 2 (01:37:19):
Did you get to talk to Doug Marone?

Speaker 8 (01:37:21):
That was the only guy I didn't get in it's
a little bit of a rapid fire, and no Evin
got into Yeah, why don't you give that?

Speaker 4 (01:37:26):
That was my first stop. So he got right off
the bat, got asked about arm length and why thirty
two and five as and thirty three inches is such
a big difference, and he gave the boyer a played
answer that that Vrabel's given and even Elliott wolf is
given in the past, which it's all about how you
play right, if you play to the max of your length,
if you use what you have to the best of

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your ability. Then he made a point to say that
he doesn't he doesn't really have a type at tackle.
You know, if it's a however you win, you in
whether you're a big guy, small guy, athletic guy, you know,
powerful guy, whatever. He said that he's played with all
different types of left tackles and all, you know, different
types of guys have been successful in different ways, So

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he doesn't have an exact archetype of like, this is
the five things that I need my left tackle to
be able to do. So he seemed more pretty open
to all avenues about addressing personnel.

Speaker 5 (01:38:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:38:25):
I went first with Ashton Grant, who was a local kid,
very happy to be back in the area. He said
he thinks it is his wife's favorite person right now
because her family and his family both live in Connecticut.
So they've moved back to the area and he's got
some help. But it's been working a lot with Josh said,
every day at like twelve thirty, they're going to Dunkin
Donuts and he's picking his brain. Seems very excited. Had
some experience with Rabel in Cleveland that he talked about

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that was interesting, the kind of relationship that they built there.
I popped over to Todd Downing real quick, who just
echoed what McDaniel said about clean slates, that he had
done a lot of work on Polk and Baker coming out,
and you know that he has a lot of respect
for their talent and their skills and trying to get
them to a place where they can bring that out.
Hopped in on Tony Duce running backs coach. Seems like

(01:39:09):
a young Ivan fears to me, one of those deep
voice kind of has a presence about him. Was asked
a little bit about Ramondre spoke highly of him, of course.
And then lastly I hopped in with Thomas Brown, where
Evan was as well, and he was what was he
talking about?

Speaker 4 (01:39:24):
Yeah, so we actually I enjoyed talking to Thomas Brown.
I mean, that's a guy that you can tell and
he was the interim coach in Chicago. He's been an
offensive coordinator. He definitely thinks like an offensive coordinator. You know,
his technical titles past game coordinator and tight ends coach,
but you can tell that he kind of thinks about
the scheme and the big picture stuff as much as

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the minutia. And we just talked a little bit about
you know, what does that mean to be the pass
game coordinator? I think was the number one question he got.
He said he got three times, so I felt a
little bad about that, but you know, he basically said
that his job is to sort of be a sounding
board between you know, everybody, the players, other coaches, McDaniels,

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to make sure that it's that the offense is as
good and as streamlined and making as much sense as
it possibly came in language wise. And then he also
said that you know, he'll have some input schematically on
play design and things like that, and you know, pulling
from his experiences in the past.

Speaker 8 (01:40:24):
Yeah, the other thing was interesting just being selective Thomas
Brown talking about this opportunity and really being calculating about
what opportunities he he wanted to explore. Just said he
got a random text from Mike Rabel this offseason and
that's how the process all started. But yeah, it's good,
good staff, good good start off. I was fortunate I
didn't get to Marone.

Speaker 2 (01:40:44):
A lot of media.

Speaker 4 (01:40:45):
Yeah, a lot of media, Andy Hart, a lot of media.

Speaker 8 (01:40:47):
Andy Hard as he can see on our TV here
the Red Sox are on. That's why I asked, I said,
Andy Hard as I live and breathe.

Speaker 4 (01:40:52):
Yeah, McDaniels was peppered, I would say, not like in
like a negative way, but like there was just it
was kind of tough to get a question and you know,
there was a lot of people trying to ask questions
to him and.

Speaker 3 (01:41:04):
Still we just had the same one over and over.

Speaker 4 (01:41:07):
U man, But yeah, it was. It always puts me
in a tough spot, but yeah, it was good.

Speaker 3 (01:41:13):
It was.

Speaker 4 (01:41:13):
It was good to hear everybody.

Speaker 3 (01:41:16):
Which one regg I knew that, I knew that, I
knew that would put a smile on my voice.

Speaker 4 (01:41:23):
To tribe of course.

Speaker 2 (01:41:24):
Yeah every night when we watched when my wife gets up,
I'm like, all that money. But he finally hit one.

Speaker 5 (01:41:32):
Good.

Speaker 8 (01:41:33):
Okay, I watched Little Socks ast night. Now with the
picture there, did pretty good. He had a nice had
a great.

Speaker 4 (01:41:37):
Oh yeah, this is like Snabbers again.

Speaker 8 (01:41:41):
Yeah that's his name.

Speaker 2 (01:41:48):
He good. Yeah, so all right, fun with the offensive coaches.

Speaker 8 (01:41:53):
Yeah, we'll have the Unfortunately Terrell Williams is out of town,
so we will not have the defensive coordinator.

Speaker 3 (01:41:57):
They're gonna makes me feel better wop in.

Speaker 8 (01:41:59):
Jerney's spring and we'll still meet with the defensive coaches tomorrow,
so it makes me feel I know, we don't cover
it with video, and there'll probably be some kind of video,
but we'll do it written up of those defensive coaches
as well.

Speaker 4 (01:42:08):
Oh last thing, Thomas Brown was asked about game day
roles and if they've gone over you know, where people
are going to be and things like that, and somebody
asked them if who's going to call plays and he
was like, Josh is going to call the play, and so.

Speaker 2 (01:42:23):
We're still doing that.

Speaker 8 (01:42:24):
Yeah, that was just like three years ago.

Speaker 4 (01:42:26):
Yeah, it was pretty funny. He was like, I think
Josh is going to handle that.

Speaker 2 (01:42:30):
Remember the year during practice were trying to Patricia figure
out who's got the who's talking.

Speaker 4 (01:42:37):
It does sound like they have.

Speaker 8 (01:42:38):
Looks like Patricia Joe John just got a microphone to.

Speaker 4 (01:42:42):
Talk to Thomas Brown maybe about sitting up in the
booth as eyes in the sky and you know, to
be in McDaniels zar from the booth.

Speaker 2 (01:42:49):
So okay, Ryan and o'hido Ryan, o'hido Ryan and Idaho rights.
In listening on Tuesday, I experienced a little day javous
with fred saying that at bare minimum, Will Campbell will
be a really good guard if he doesn't pan out
a tackle. Freddie, he said this before. Remember when the
Pagris drafted Isaiah Win. You said his floord be a

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Pro Bowl guard in the NFL. Win turned out to
be an oft injured and underwhelming offensive lineman, not even
remotely worthy of a first round pick, and they took
him twenty third, not fourth.

Speaker 8 (01:43:22):
I did say that Isaiah winjard that.

Speaker 23 (01:43:28):
Man may not come up when I was ripping you
off the Isaiah Win, like Isaiah Win was small for
an NFL offensive line right like by NFL standard guard,
center and tackle anywhere.

Speaker 3 (01:43:40):
And I'm gonna be fair too and say there's a
big difference between the twenties the mid twenties where he
got picked in the fourth overall. Now the hit by
that that's a different no, that they both have two Now,
that's that's that's the big difference is uh, you know
Campbell was considered to be an elite prospect in this
particular draft to that and Win, you know Win really

(01:44:02):
wasn't now they both. I mean I think I could
make it. I could make the argument and just say, like,
you know, he played at a high level in the SEC,
which is the be all end all according to everybody now,
but I don't think that he's thought I don't think
Win was thought of as highly as Campbell is right now.

Speaker 8 (01:44:16):
Yeah, well, I mean Campbell is just his arms. Everything
else stacks up.

Speaker 2 (01:44:21):
Ryan also says, I understand Campbell is a much better
prospect than Win, and I would be shocked if he
does not have a better NFL career. But I will
personally be incredibly disappointed if a premium pick is used
on a player who ends up being a really good
guard with a guy like Janty available for the Patriots,
who Fred also gushed about on Tuesday. Fred, you said
the team who does take Janty will get an awesome player.

(01:44:44):
Let's be that team. Plus imagine Mike swooning over jant.

Speaker 24 (01:44:49):
Gent's workout the shirtless I mean, I was just going
to bring that up, Paul. Actually I'm glad you brought
it up, because it was it wasn't quite Derek Henry
where it was just a mountain of him.

Speaker 5 (01:45:00):
Man.

Speaker 8 (01:45:00):
But that guy what they used to call that old
Doug what was that old running back from Tampa. The
muscle hamster that I mean, Genty is just he's like
a fire hydrant of muscle and it's impressive to see.
So yes, I'm glad I wrote that piece before I
saw him do that workout, So no one tried to
accuse me, like you're kind of insinuating now that it
was all based on how he looked with his shirt up.

Speaker 3 (01:45:19):
Yeah, yeah, Mike's he is thick.

Speaker 2 (01:45:24):
Connor reminds us Paul that Harvey Langy was the undrafted
linebacker at seventeen who was involved in the car accident.

Speaker 3 (01:45:30):
It was Harvey Longy, but yes, and that it must
be who Fred was thinking about. That's a good call, emailer.

Speaker 2 (01:45:36):
Because I called Harold Landry Harvey Lang.

Speaker 3 (01:45:39):
You know you said, you said Harvey Lang.

Speaker 10 (01:45:43):
And Harvey Lang is like a random actor from some film,
a Lucille Ball somehow.

Speaker 3 (01:45:48):
I don't even Harley.

Speaker 8 (01:45:51):
You haven't seen Johns and you know who Lucille Ball is.

Speaker 4 (01:45:53):
This is I love dig.

Speaker 3 (01:45:55):
But that's a good call by the emailer, because that's
exactly that's absolutely who Fred was thinking. Harvey LONGI in
his mind, and that's why he said Harvey Lang.

Speaker 2 (01:46:05):
Las Vegas says, Bill is Parcels nickname. What is Bill
parcells actual first name?

Speaker 3 (01:46:11):
Twaine? That's correct, Dwayne Charles Parcells.

Speaker 2 (01:46:15):
He's not even there's not even a William there.

Speaker 8 (01:46:16):
Did anyone ever ask him how you got the Bill important?
No can ask him about.

Speaker 2 (01:46:21):
The Hall of Fame. I do know how he actually
got the tuna one on it, but I can't say
it on air.

Speaker 8 (01:46:27):
Looks like a tuna.

Speaker 3 (01:46:28):
Sorry, he looked like a tuna silver sun kissed. Let's see,
they didn't have silver heroin. They called him tuna when
they first called him.

Speaker 8 (01:46:37):
I guess right. Tunas are probably like blue.

Speaker 3 (01:46:39):
Right, Yeah, they're they're shiny I can only imagine what
Haven't thinks of this? He doesn't even like the trivia questions.

Speaker 8 (01:46:45):
We're talking about colors of tuna.

Speaker 2 (01:46:48):
Were just.

Speaker 24 (01:46:54):
Doesn't haven't sleep like someone says sleep mode.

Speaker 2 (01:46:58):
And then you mentioned you can't even argue that's true.

Speaker 3 (01:47:08):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:47:09):
I mean, like tuna on your own time, youven like tuna.

Speaker 10 (01:47:12):
I was gonna say, there's no way iven't eats tuna.

Speaker 2 (01:47:15):
You don't eat tuna.

Speaker 4 (01:47:16):
I like a good tuna melt, but like I'm not
gonna eat like a like a seared piece of tuna.

Speaker 2 (01:47:21):
Have you ever had it?

Speaker 13 (01:47:22):
Yeah, you don't know.

Speaker 8 (01:47:24):
You got a good sauce.

Speaker 2 (01:47:25):
It's like swordfish.

Speaker 8 (01:47:26):
Yeah, it's like swordfish spicy tunable.

Speaker 3 (01:47:29):
I'm not a huge seafood guy, but Fred Fred and
Alex are right, you get a good sword fish. Yeah. Yeah,
it's almost like it's almost like you can you can
fake yourself out into thinking you're eating meat.

Speaker 8 (01:47:41):
Yeah, I mean, tuna is my go to for sushi anytime,
Like that's the bast spicy Eat a nice spicy tuna.

Speaker 3 (01:47:48):
Greg, we can all just come together, Yeah, I mean,
no arguing.

Speaker 2 (01:47:52):
You know, sushi was the common bones.

Speaker 4 (01:47:54):
I do love sushi. There you go, Greg.

Speaker 2 (01:47:57):
Says, So, you guys were talking about the pages whole
fame and coaches getting in a few days ago. I
was wondering if anyone thinks Josh McDaniel should be in
there someday. I'm not sure if I'd put him in myself,
and I doubt Fred would either, but he's had a
pretty successful Patriot's career, both on and off for about
twenty years now, thanks for the many years of content.

Speaker 8 (01:48:17):
I mean, I didn't quite think that while I was watching,
and I was just feeling, I'm kind of nostalgic. I
like having Josh back, that nostalgia of having someone familiar back,
and I'm a sucker for it, no question. But I
did think this is the first time he's been an
offensive coordinator under a coach not Bill Belichick.

Speaker 2 (01:48:32):
Right, So let's say right now, MS briefly, right, But
if he and this this is the chance, this is
the chance to have like playoff runs and the offense
is great, and he retires, I might consider that.

Speaker 4 (01:48:47):
Yeah, you know, I was wondering, probably in a Super
Bowl kind of in like a similar category as Dante Scarneki, like,
would Anie Adams get any he should he should, you know,
like consideration, like as a contr or not not to
be on the ballot.

Speaker 8 (01:49:01):
But well, that was that was my first thought when
we were initially hearing that that the parcels thing was
going to happen, and it was like, who do you
think it is? And Ernie was the first one off
the top of my head. It's a contributor, which would
have been weird to put him in before Bill, I think.

Speaker 4 (01:49:13):
But yeah, that's probably fair.

Speaker 3 (01:49:15):
It's good to see Ernie today.

Speaker 8 (01:49:17):
Oh yeah, how was he doing? He looked good, spry.

Speaker 3 (01:49:19):
Did he look the same as he always do? You think?
Didn't change it all? His newspaper didn't change it all.
I don't. I didn't see the newspaper, the New York Times.
He did come in with his umbrella, always really wet
out there.

Speaker 8 (01:49:32):
Underrated part of the schedule release last year was like
Ernie had a very small part, but it was kind
of like throughout the day he had random pieces and
while he wasn't being in the shoot, he just sat
in Fred's office and read the newspaper.

Speaker 2 (01:49:45):
For him because it was so much downtime. So I'm
sitting at the table with him and like I'm trying
to think of something to uh. He's reading the newspaper
and I'm like, well, stock market had a good day,
and he's like mm hmm. And it's like, you know,
like a husband talking to the wife, you know, like
that was the exactly looks back down at the paper.

Speaker 8 (01:50:05):
That was the exact response I got when I told
them I kept track of Bill's hoodies and mm hmmm. Right,
I went over like a lead balloon. All right, never mind.
I thought you might be stats guy, but.

Speaker 2 (01:50:15):
I know what you do. I've heard about you. Donovan
writes in Rabel has talked up the value of some
ill liked players among Patriots fans, Guys like Wallace, Booty Strange.
For example, Which players from the twenty two to twenty
four drafts do you think could surprise us under a
hypothetical better coaching situation? So who can get better than

(01:50:39):
what they're currently perceived at because of coaching.

Speaker 8 (01:50:41):
I'd hope Jalen Polk. I would hope Jalen Polk. I'm
not ready to say yes, Jalen Polk, but.

Speaker 3 (01:50:46):
Yeah, I mean otherwise, it's guys that have been injured,
like Strange, Wallace, like they've been able to play. They've
been hurt a lot.

Speaker 4 (01:50:54):
I would say Keon White like I feel like ke
White with Rabel and Terrell Williams. Yeah, yeah, maybe those
two guys can. Rabel has talked about it, you know,
getting his technique a little bit better and getting him
a little bit more developed. I feel like maybe maybe
there's another more consistent level. I don't know if there's another.

Speaker 3 (01:51:12):
That's why with you guys, I threw him out as
a starter, and I was surprised that we just saw
it because I don't think of Chase On as a
starting no defensive lineman. I think him be more of
as a sub rusher. I think there's going to be
an opportunity for ke On White to do exactly what.

Speaker 4 (01:51:27):
Yeah, four three end.

Speaker 8 (01:51:29):
I agree with what you're saying. I guess the way
I approached it was the thing where we stick the
veteran experienced guy who knows what he's doing when we
go out on the depth chart on OTAs and we're
getting started. But I do agree with you that he
should have every opportunity to win that job over Chase On.
I just don't think he'll start off as the guy
on the as the defensive right.

Speaker 4 (01:51:48):
But like Chase on coming on the field on third down,
the bumping inside at that point, because what he does
best is rushing on the guards. I could be the
first one to tell you that he's actually really good
at it from like just a statistical perspective, But the
edge rushing stuff is just spraw. You know, he blows
back the quarterback. He's not good against a run out there.

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There's just a lot of work to be.

Speaker 2 (01:52:09):
Done Travis and Baltimore. I re listened to the postgame
show after the end of the season Bill's game, and
it was seemed the general statement at the time was
that dropping from one to four was not a huge deal.

Speaker 3 (01:52:20):
I am guilty of that. I am absolutely guilty too.

Speaker 2 (01:52:23):
Not me. I am not trying to relitigate the debate
of whether or not the team should have tried quote
to lose, because I think every rational person understands there
isn't anything more the team could have done to actively
lose that game. I do want to revisit the sentiment
that dropping from one to four was not a big deal,
though specifically Mike said that he was happy we could

(01:52:44):
debate who the team would rather take it for rather
than just settle on Travis Hunter. Do you all still
feel the same or has your thought process changed at all?
As it seems we are sitting at the precipice of
a no man's land at four with the inability to
ensure a blue chip prosper.

Speaker 8 (01:53:00):
Well, talk to me after the draft and if Hunter
Carter fall then I'd probably go back to not really caring.

Speaker 3 (01:53:06):
Yeah, I care. I was wrong because I think there's
this They're picking four in a two man draft, so yeah,
I would like to be in this position where I
could get one of those two. And I was I'm
not going to sugarcoat it and say I didn't say it.
I did say it. Their email is right. I didn't
think it was that big a deal. My reasoning for
saying it wasn't that big a deal is I didn't
think there was a lot of value in one. I

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didn't think I don't think people were going to be
clamoring to trade up. And I was talking about at
the time the quarterbacks. I don't think anything has happened
since then to change my mind. Now, what I didn't
know at the time was that really there's only two
guys that everybody are lockstep being worthy of being taken
that high. And that's where I was wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:53:46):
Me too, Me too, I was wrong too.

Speaker 3 (01:53:49):
You were on it, you thought. I mean, I still
don't think it's like to be all end all, but
I was wrong. There's two guys and you're picking fourth.

Speaker 4 (01:53:56):
Yeah, I just I guess maybe I The overrated part
about it from my perspective was like, you probably weren't
going to get anything for the first overall pick in
a draft like this, like the quarterbacks. To Paul's point,
you know a lot of people I think, thought, oh,
we get a king's ransom for the first overall pick,
like you lost out on that.

Speaker 3 (01:54:14):
I didn't think that that existed.

Speaker 4 (01:54:15):
Yeah, to me, I it we were right about the
fact that they might miss out on Travis Hunter and
Abdul Carter because they won that game, but that trade
is probably not there. So I think we were both
kind of right in a way.

Speaker 8 (01:54:27):
But if you drafted Travis Hunter, I wouldn't feel as
bad about it. I mean, that's one of the two guys.
I think. Then the debate becomes and this is the
same debate we would have been having if they had
the first overall pick. Is Carter Hunter who do you prefer?
And then you could say, well, they got Hunter, but
really Carter was the guy that you would have gotten
in one overall and that would have been the difference.
But I was wrong in the moment. But we'll see,
We'll see how it all comes.

Speaker 3 (01:54:46):
So I like the Paul liked stubbornness. I'm gonna wait
and hold out until until April twenty fourth. You're not
wrong yet. I like it yet. Paul liked Stubbornness. I
appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (01:54:58):
Sam and London also criticiz me just catching up with
Tuesday show for the first half hour. Despite Fred's protestations,
all I can hear is Fred kurs Cerker twenty eighteen
colon Isaiah win worst case scenario, he's a pro Bowl guard.
How that work out? Not saying it's gonna happen. Campbell
is a far superior prospect. But that kind of speculation

(01:55:19):
is just a bit silly. Well, are we not supposed
to speculate about guys going into the NFL? Isn't that
the show?

Speaker 8 (01:55:26):
We have a show to do today, So I guess
we could just.

Speaker 2 (01:55:30):
Say every guy, I don't know how he's gonna play.

Speaker 3 (01:55:32):
I think, but I do think that you were operating
under a premise that I don't think is right. I
don't think it's any more correct for Will Campbell than
it is anybody else. It's basically my point. Forget Isaiah
win he's a better prospect than Isaiah Winn was. I
would agree with you on that. But you have this
notion that if he doesn't work out a tackle, there's

(01:55:53):
no risk because he's a great guard. And I don't
think that this guy is different than anybody else has
ever come in the league that I don't have a
worry that he.

Speaker 8 (01:55:59):
Can play at all. Sure, but you're operator, there's no
worry that anything can.

Speaker 2 (01:56:03):
Happen with anything. But I'm trying to like minimize risk.
You're trying to use the odds. You're trying to make
your best, guess, right, my best, And that's with him.

Speaker 3 (01:56:10):
And that's why philosophical opposition to your theory. Okay, so
then that's all.

Speaker 2 (01:56:14):
But there's this to me, there's a safety net there
with him, you know, if he doesn't play tacko.

Speaker 3 (01:56:21):
Right, And that's why, like we all, we all chime in,
we all have our thoughts. Fred's thought is he doesn't
see them being a possibility that he's not at least
a good guard. Right, Like someone else looks at it differently,
I look at it differently. I don't think that there's
any more of a chance that he's a good guard
than there is of astroon Genty being a great running back.

(01:56:41):
I don't really see I think that.

Speaker 2 (01:56:44):
So is there any guy that you're sure of of anything?

Speaker 3 (01:56:46):
No? Absolutely not. But you are you're sure of Will Campbell.

Speaker 8 (01:56:49):
No, that's right, that's that's the philosophical opposition.

Speaker 2 (01:56:53):
I have a pair. I have a pair, and you
know parallel jelse.

Speaker 3 (01:56:58):
But no, you're right, you are sure that he's a
good guard. I'm not.

Speaker 2 (01:57:02):
Yeah, I'm willing to go out on a limb.

Speaker 3 (01:57:05):
I'm more sure that Genty's going to be a productive
running back down I am that Will Campbell's going to
be a good guard.

Speaker 2 (01:57:09):
I might say that, but that's not the position. That's
not a position.

Speaker 4 (01:57:13):
Kind of on the fence.

Speaker 3 (01:57:16):
M I just don't like because I'll be honest, this
goes back like ten to fifteen years of this draft stuff,
and for some reason and Fred Will backed me on
this offensive linemen are just perceived to be much safer
than all the other positions like go with the safe
pick the offensive line. Don't worry about Evan Neil. The

(01:57:37):
fact that he's a couple of years into his career,
can't play and they have to move him to guard.
Now that's a good thing, right, that's good. Like I
worry about that stuff, And I think there's a lot
of people Fred, this is.

Speaker 2 (01:57:48):
Not a shot, you know, go ahead, take a shot,
But a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:57:51):
Of people operate under the Fred theory of he's so good,
he's safe. Like I'm pretty sure these other guys that
came out were really well thought of, These offensive linemen
that didn't pan out in the top ten Robert Gallery.
Bill Belichick told me, was it like a really he
was like a generational type prospect. Short arms didn't pan out. Like,

(01:58:17):
for some reason, people think offensive line is safe. And
I guess that's what I'm sort of pushing back on,
more so than Fred's theory of if he doesn't work
at tackle, he'll be a good guard.

Speaker 4 (01:58:27):
But isn't that true with every player in the.

Speaker 3 (01:58:29):
Yes, yes, he said, but for some reason, offensive linemen
are resolved of this.

Speaker 8 (01:58:33):
Right, But like, don't you take a wide receiver that's
really risky?

Speaker 4 (01:58:36):
But like gent D for example, Yes, there's huge risk,
like he played at Boise State.

Speaker 3 (01:58:41):
Like what if he's Curtis Enis or I'm.

Speaker 4 (01:58:46):
Just saying like he his specialty is that he breaks
a bunch of tackles. What if he gets to the
pros and it ain't as easy to break the tackles anymore? Correct,
Like that's all I'm not saying that's gonna be true.

Speaker 3 (01:58:58):
That's exactly what I would worry about. But the only
bestween me and everybody else, not everybody else you worry
about is I worry about the tackle not being able
to block to, not just the running back not being
able to break tackles. But for some reason we don't
have a consensus.

Speaker 4 (01:59:13):
There is there a position that you would jo He'll.

Speaker 8 (01:59:17):
What is your what is your safe position? Running back?

Speaker 3 (01:59:23):
That is my safe position?

Speaker 2 (01:59:26):
Whatever she tells me to do.

Speaker 3 (01:59:28):
Wait, what whatever Beth tells me to do it, that's
going to keep me out of trouble. Okay, that's my
safe word? What should I do? Honey?

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