Patriots Unfiltered 5/1: Post-Draft Analysis, Drake Maye Presser, Reported UDFA Signings

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Speaker 1 (00:15):
Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered.

Speaker 3 (00:19):
It's funny, like those are the types make up play
Terry Glenn? What are we doing?

Speaker 4 (00:23):
I can play on the ball.

Speaker 2 (00:25):
Nobody knows what you're talking about.

Speaker 4 (00:27):
Just through showing Aaron Glenn highways on NFL Network.

Speaker 3 (00:31):
Did you know Aaron Glenn was the coach of the Jets.
I didn't know that.

Speaker 5 (00:34):
I didn't know it's true or not, but it is.

Speaker 4 (00:37):
Hates everybody and everything in the.

Speaker 5 (00:39):
League, especially the seventies Steelers.

Speaker 4 (00:41):
Oh no, everybody and everything.

Speaker 3 (00:43):
Way to get me started on the seventy Steelers. I
heard the ball boy got into the Pro Football Hall
of Fame on the seventies Steelers. It's true, you know us,
we're we're trying to you know, the Patriots dynasty. It's
like trying to pull teeth. But you know, I heard
the third string long snapper and the seventy Steelers in the.

Speaker 5 (00:59):
Pro Football and the waterboy on the Steelers had like
a six gallon jug. He was just walking down with
one armhold da.

Speaker 2 (01:05):
He's got a bust and can You're right, too many
Steelers got in at that time.

Speaker 4 (01:09):
I don't know why would you care to elaborate?

Speaker 2 (01:12):
No, I just think there was which one, A lot
of follow them, A lot of them.

Speaker 4 (01:16):
That's what I was getting at them.

Speaker 1 (01:18):
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Speaker 2 (01:27):
All right, welcome the Patriots Unfiltered. It is Thursday here
at Gillette Stadium. It's a busy stadium. They're getting ready
for the ac DC concert. So if you hear any
like wow uh during the show, that's the guy in
the shorts wrong around. Yeah, but it's deuce to me.
Paul and Evan will be by soon as well as Alex.

(01:48):
Drake May is talking to the media as we speak,
so Evan's taking that in. Paul is in waiting for
one of his college coaches draft pick Stories to call him,
and Alex will be here as well. Yeah. Yeah, that's
just me and you for a few moments.

Speaker 5 (02:05):
Two of us. We can make it if we try.
Let's get to yeah, you and I, uh yeah, it's
just real quick. Paul's waiting for his interviews is what
we do after they draft these guys and finishing up
my Kyle Williams story. Had some good conversations with his
high school coach and then as well as his receiver
coach for the last two years at Washington State, who

(02:25):
also coach Kendrick Bourne at Eastern Washington. A little tibbet though,
he said, is Kyle Williams a favorite player to study
growing up with Stefan Diggs, so he's excited for him
to get into the locker room with him. And just
all the coaches echoed what everybody said around here. Fred
was just he really want everybody over with his personality,
and you know, it just seems to really make an
impression on people.

Speaker 2 (02:45):
Yeah, so that's cool.

Speaker 4 (02:47):
Be good.

Speaker 2 (02:48):
Some news that happened yesterday some more people being released
by the team, Jake Andrews among them.

Speaker 4 (02:54):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (02:55):
So you know, Jake was drafted as a possible center candidate.
So I guess, you know, they like what they have
in the room right now and found him expendable, so
he was released. And you never know with these guys,
especially this time of year, they get released and they
kind of tell them, you know, don't don't pack up
yet you never know, you could be back on practice

(03:16):
squad or whatever down the road, but for now he's gone.
And then, you know, before Tuesday show, they we couldn't
say it. I knew it, but you know, they released
Joe Cordona, which ten years You saw a lot of
things on Patriots Social about that when it happened, some

(03:36):
tributes there, and it's a story that I wanted to
tell on Tuesday, but I really couldn't.

Speaker 7 (03:41):
But on.

Speaker 2 (03:44):
Was it Monday? Monday afternoon? I guess he was told
and he asked Stacy if he could talk to the
content team, and it just so happened that we were
having a department meeting, so we're all in one room
and he came in and he said, you know, I
want to thank you guys. And you know, at the time,
I was like, thank us for what? And what do

(04:05):
we do? He goes, well, no, I just got released,
but I want to thank you guys for everything that
you've done. And he was like choked up. And I
can tell you, in my thirty years here, we've never
had a player come up and do that, either individually
or as a group. You know, thank us for what
we did. And it was you know, I was touched

(04:27):
by it. It was it was really nice. You were
there me too.

Speaker 5 (04:30):
Yeah, I mean at first, just say end of an
era with you know, Joe Cardona. I think he's the
last Patriot who won the Super Bowls with the team
and when they won their super Bowl. So certainly, like
I said, at the end of an era. But I
you know, for me, that was an emotional moment and
you know, a lot of credit for Joe to come
up and do that, but it's just you hear about
Ohen you know, I mean you just said, I like, oh,
Jake Andrews got released, or you know, some of these guys,

(04:50):
and you just seem to kind of gloss over it.
Certainly Joe Cardona is not in that group, but it
just you realize the human element of this, and you know,
he's got roots here, He's been here for a long time.
And I'm sure some of the writing was on the
wall when they drafted a long snapper, but I think
even still you thought, well, maybe he'll stick around, there'll
be some competition. So it was just it was it

(05:10):
was a tough, touching moment, but hard and you just
see that these guys really go through a lot, you know,
trying to pursue this career. And I mean every player
probably at some point has to hear that kind of
news that they don't want to.

Speaker 2 (05:20):
You know. Basically, he held down two jobs while he
was here, you know, because he'd have to go down
to Newport and do stuff, and so, you know, it
was it was a bittersweet and that he got cut,
but it was really nice for him to come up
and do that. Like I said, it's never happened before.
And when he left, I told our group, I said,

(05:42):
you know, just remember that they know who we are. Like,
you know, they may not know our names, and you're
not going out to dinner with him and all that stuff,
but when we're down there or at the practice field
or at games on the sideline, they know who we are,
you know, so just remember that that we're kind of
like their teammates a little bit, a.

Speaker 5 (06:01):
Little bit, I mean, and i'd say, just from my
experience of being here almost six years, it's it's certainly
never really felt that way when when Bill was here
in the early years.

Speaker 4 (06:10):
Part of that COVID.

Speaker 2 (06:11):
Literally you know, discourage them from saying hello to us.

Speaker 5 (06:16):
Yeah, and I mean just from my experiment COVID, everybody
was kind of out and so you were in the
locker room anymore. You felt separated anyway. But you know,
these last you know, the last year with your odd
and even into this year with Mike, it just seems
a lot more like we're involved in those kinds of things,
and it does feel like that's building. So it's hopefully
gonna be you know, a good relationship and where I
mean to me, the biggest thing is trying to get

(06:36):
great content for the fans and trying to get access
and you know, show behind the scenes, and we've got
so much stuff in the pipeline. I'm really excited about
that that I think it's only going to serve the
fans better. It's not really about us and getting to
know them or feeling like I just want to get
the good stuff and have them trust us to be
able to get.

Speaker 2 (06:52):
Yeah, it's not about being friends, you know, off the
field or any It's about getting our job done and
respecting each other. Yeah, them understanding what we're trying to do,
you know, make them look good, you know, but also
inform and entertain our fans and us understanding what they
have to do. Yeah, and like not impede that. So

(07:13):
but that was that was nice. I just want to
I thought people would like to know that about Joe.

Speaker 5 (07:18):
Special guy. I mean, there's no other way to put it.
And then Joe Cardono was a really special guy. And uh,
and I mean probably a little bittersweet that he was
named captain last year and you know, but it just
shows the leadership that he has. Obviously being in the Navy,
he has, you know, incredible discipline and work ethic, everything
he went through at the Naval Academy. So I mean
he's gonna be missed around here for sure. It's a
tough situation, but that's football. Maybe it's how it works. Unfortunately.

Speaker 2 (07:42):
So right now, you know, the veterans are here and
they're practicing, and uh, they'll be here all week, I guess, yeah,
pretty much. And then next week they'll give way to
the rookies. So the rookies will be in next week,
they won't be with the veterans. The veterans will go
off on their own. But next week we'll be rookie
mini kid.

Speaker 7 (07:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (07:59):
So I think we'll get media access day next Friday,
so we'll get a little look at these guys, I
got to go back and look at my notes of
what we actually saw last year. I feel like it's
a lot of stretching at a lot of you know,
not a whole lot to glean, but I just think
it's the next step, and coming off of Frable's hiring,
free agency, the draft, I want to see this team
on the field, even though it's not gonna be real

(08:20):
football and we're not gonna come out with all this
analysis of what they did. It's just it's another step
in the process of the offseason. And you know, it's
hard not to know. Today's May so two months away
from from I guess closer to three, but you can
say two months training camp coming up. So I just
think there's a little bit of a groundswell rising with
this offseason this team's had, and it'll build up to
Mini camp and I'm just excited to see it all

(08:41):
come together. It's all new, you know, Fred, It's like
even with Girod last year, there were a lot of
threads that carried over. You weren't seeing entirely new schemes
or even players being used in different ways. A lot
of it there was a lot of carryover. But this year,
I'm not expecting that. I think there's gonna be a
lot more new and especially for me as a defense guy,
getting to see a real new defense of scheme that
these guys have cooked up. So I don't I just

(09:03):
a lot to be excited about this offset and it's
gonna be good. Next week get out there and watch
a little little football court.

Speaker 2 (09:08):
Yeah, that'll be exciting. And you know, while we're talking
about good guys, I was on a call this morning
with Dante Scarnekia because at the end of May, there's
an event in Germany in Cologne called American Football Madness,
and it's the first American Football convention, if you will,
like so it's think of NFL experience during the Super Bowl.
They're gonna have something like that in this you know,

(09:31):
indoor arena and then they're gonna have outdoor clinics and
it's like a three day event. And we're going over there,
the Patriots and Dante's coming and he's going to give
offensive line clinics because in Germany that's the position they
have the most trouble filling because of you know, it's
finding guys. So like he's going to give clinics you know,

(09:54):
overcoming measurables with technique, things like that. And he's on
the he's on the call today with a bunch of people,
you know, going over the itinerary, and he's like, I'll
do whatever you want me to do, you know, whatever
you need, I will do. Like he's such a great guy,
and like we want to make sure that people in
Germany understand like the thing that they're getting, Like you're

(10:16):
getting a legend, Like these are going to be these
are American football coaches in Germany. They're going to be
getting coached by one of the greatest offensive line coaches
in you know, American football history. So like I thought
that was cool, but like he was just so willing,
you know, like, hey, this is important to me too.
I want to make sure that they're going to really

(10:37):
get value out of what I'm teaching.

Speaker 5 (10:39):
It's nice to hear that he is still interested in
teaching and coaching, because I know as he got out,
I mean he came back once. I know he loves woodworking,
and but he's got so much experience and talents it's
kind of a shame. Like he's the kind of guy
that should be in the Pro Football Hall of fame,
not as a lot as a Hall of Famer, but
like you know, guys like him who just gave so
much to the sport, give so much to New England.
I mean he's been here and the what like the eighties,

(11:01):
I mean he was he was here forever. Absolutely remember
him interim coach in the early nineties for a little.

Speaker 2 (11:06):
Bit McPherson when he got sick.

Speaker 5 (11:08):
Yeah, you know, so he's there. The more I just
glad to hear Dante's still in it.

Speaker 2 (11:11):
I know, I'm glad he's in the Patriots Hall of Fame. Yeah. Yeah,
so so I just you know, while we were going
down talking about good guys, Yeah, I figured i'd relay
that that little nugget. All right, So, as I said, Paul,
Evan and Alex will be here soon and we'll start
heating things up. Eight five five PATS five hundred is

(11:33):
the hotline podcast at Patriots dot com is the email address.
We've already got people calling in. Yeah, so why don't
we get to them before Paul comes and takes all
the oxygen out of the road, you know, as he's
wont to do.

Speaker 4 (11:48):
Uh, let's go to.

Speaker 2 (11:51):
Mark in Connecticut to lead things off what's up Mark?
How you guys doing marking?

Speaker 7 (11:58):
Well?

Speaker 2 (11:58):
Mark? So I was open to talk to Evan and Paul.

Speaker 8 (12:01):
But that's okay, jeez, that's okay.

Speaker 5 (12:04):
Well, you might be in a lot because here he comes, ladies.

Speaker 2 (12:08):
Here comes Paul.

Speaker 3 (12:09):
Mark.

Speaker 2 (12:09):
Mark wanted to talk to you. He's from Connecticut. So
Paul's just sitting down now.

Speaker 5 (12:14):
It's a grand entrance right there.

Speaker 2 (12:17):
Get your call. You got blown off? Oh man? Okay,
what's up? Mark?

Speaker 7 (12:22):
So my one gripe about the draft. We have two
aging tight ends. Austin Hooper's on a one year deal,
Unter Henriette the Cast one year left after this year,
and this was a tight end loaded draft. I was
really hoping for them to really, you know, draft one
of these really good prospects. But on the other hand,
I was doing a lot of research and the undrafted

(12:44):
free agent from Alabama, DJ Dupree actually looks like a
really good tight end for the future. And I just
wanted to get Paul in Evan's take on him because
I think he actually has a legit shot to make
the team with his blocking ability and he's supposed to
he has some good hands. They used him a lot
in the screen game, but he has a lot of
good upside.

Speaker 2 (13:05):
I think he was on my envelope. I'm not sure.

Speaker 4 (13:07):
I'm not sure was he on the back of the
envelop I'm sure such a big school for the back
of the envelope. Yeah, I understand the disappointment because I
felt it was a good tight end class too. But
this kind of gets back to what we were talking
about during the draft weekend. It's impossible to come away
with everything when you need everything, and I think it's

(13:29):
a fair observation to say you have two aging tight ends,
two guys in the thirties, so with a good class,
it would have made sense to try to get one.
I think that was probably on the radar, and for
whatever reason, it didn't work out that way. I try
not to get too amped up about undrafted guys. I
think they are always pleasant surprises when they make the

(13:49):
team and they actually contribute.

Speaker 7 (13:51):
He was supposed to be a fifth or sixth round pick,
is what ever was saying. He was wipe the bride
that he went on drafted, so we might have got
a diamond in the rout.

Speaker 4 (14:00):
Okay, yeah, again, I'm going to stick with my I
will be pleasantly surprised if a guy who's undrafted ends
up being a contributor, and I will watch them when
they get here, just like everybody else and hope for
the best.

Speaker 2 (14:13):
All Right, Thanks Mark, appreciate the call. Paul.

Speaker 4 (14:16):
While you were gone, I I was listening a little bit.

Speaker 2 (14:19):
You talked about I talked about.

Speaker 4 (14:22):
Joe Cardonay you were there, and you did. You made
a comment that that's the first time that anything like
that has happened, and I would agree. I mean, I've
had guys come up to us and it's funny. I
joke around about this all the time. We I feel
like we have better relationships with the guys when they
retire than we do when they play. Not that we
have adversary. I haven't had really any adversarial relationships with players,

(14:45):
to be honest, but it it does seem. Fred. You
made the comment about how they know who we are
and they might not always let you know. That is
so true, so true, Like they know who we are
and they understand and respect what we trying to do
and how we try to like stay out of the
way as best we can. But we're here, and I

(15:08):
do feel like once they retire and they sort of
can express that it's it's refreshing, and it was a
nice thing that Joe did the other day that was
that was certainly unnecessary, but it was a nice touch.

Speaker 2 (15:20):
Yeah, for sure. Let's go to Mitch and Fort Benning. Hey, Mitch,
hey Fellows, how you doing good?

Speaker 9 (15:28):
All right? So with the draft coming and going, you know,
obviously it was a really good draft, but I wanted
to ask you guys something about quarterbacks just in general.
With the draft, I watched a lot of college football
shout out Bowling Green State University, and I feel like,
since I've gotten really into college football, I can kind
of see which quarterbacks I think are gonna just be
terrible that end up getting picked in the first round,

(15:51):
like Kenny Pickett, Chiubinski, Zach Wilson, Trey Lance, Mac Jones.
So what is it behind the scenes that makes these
guys gets drafted? Is it like the owner saying we
need to just get somebody even if you're not totally
sold on him, Like, how does someone like Zach Wilson
who really had no good college tape but namorous people
thrown in shorts and a T shirt, Or Mac Jones

(16:13):
who's surrounded by all world talent. How did they get
propped up to the point where everyone's getting sold on him?
And I like your Poul take on this too, because
he's probably the original Mac Jones taterer.

Speaker 4 (16:24):
Yeah, I mean, I would just say with Mac Jones,
I think, how do you get fooled? It's exactly what
you said, you know, the guy surrounded by immense talent,
and I thought he was nothing more than sort of
a facilitator and got the ball where it seemed like
he had an aptitude for the position, and he took
advantage of having a better player virtually across the board

(16:44):
at every position than the other team did. I would
push back on Zach Wilson and Trey Lance, like how
did they get drafted? You watch their skills, and Zack
Wilson didn't have any good college tape. He was terrific
this last year.

Speaker 2 (16:58):
He watches a lot of college.

Speaker 4 (17:00):
But he was terrific his last year at BYU. Is
what I'm saying now. I was not a huge Zach
Wilson guy.

Speaker 2 (17:06):
So I'm got one Mitch.

Speaker 4 (17:07):
Yeah, I'm not pretending that I was huge on Zach Wilson.
And you know, I thought he got overdrafted, But he
has first round skills. I mean, I don't think there's
any question about the first round skills. What he doesn't
have is the Mac Jones part, the aptitude. How many times, Mike,
when we're playing the Jets, do we said, my god,
I feel like I've watched Zach Wilson throw that same

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interception against New England, rolling to his right up near
the sideline, throw it away, throw it away, throws it back,
Devin mccordy picks it off, like I felt like I
watched that play five times. Well, that's just in games
against the Patriots.

Speaker 2 (17:41):
I think, Mitch, what you're seeing is, you know, I
have to call it desperation. There's so few people on
the planet that can play quarterback at the NFL that
these scouts and personnel people they see something. They see
the aptitude. I can work with his skills, They see
the skill I can work with his mental totally, and

(18:04):
and and you know, desperation seems like a you know,
hyperbolic word to use, but it is that way. There's
so few people on this planet.

Speaker 4 (18:14):
But I also it's like there are so few quarterbacks
in my opinion, that fail because they're not good enough.
Mac Jones, in my opinion, is failing because he's not
quite good enough skills wise. That ain't Zach Wilson's problem. Yeah,
that isn't Trey Lance's problem. Trey Lance can't stay healthy.
But his career got derailed before it even started for
different reasons. But like JaMarcus Russell, you're telling me he

(18:38):
doesn't have the ability to play, or he wasn't studying
any film and all the other things that go along
with it. There's so much that goes into playing quarterback
that's beyond the skills. That's why they miss so much.
These guys all have the ability. They have the ability
to play.

Speaker 9 (18:54):
I just want to say, Josh totally holds up.

Speaker 5 (18:56):
There you go, match, I.

Speaker 9 (18:58):
Just thought, for the first time last year, Evan totally.

Speaker 4 (19:00):
Wrong, Mitch, Mitch Chef's kiss my friend. That was excellent.
I'll send you a picture of the ole Jaws totally
holds up. Evan's out of his mind.

Speaker 2 (19:08):
Yeah, of course it does.

Speaker 4 (19:10):
I love it. Mitch.

Speaker 5 (19:11):
If I can just piggyback on when you guys were saying,
I just I go back to how we were talking
and thinking from about March twenty twenty to April twenty
twenty one before they took Mac. Now, I you know,
but that feeling of we're lost in the wilderness without
a quarterback, you're dead in the water, and you understand
how desperate you get. I mean we were desperate. We

(19:32):
were like Cam Newton, can we you know Jared's did
in the answer that's you know, you feel good once
you get to the point where even when you drafted Mac,
it's like, is he perfect? No, but let's invest in him,
and you know you put all your hopes and dreams
on that kid. But that's the same place that so
many of these NFL teams are that have no quarterback.
You just you don't have a chance until you have
that piece.

Speaker 4 (19:49):
And I know this is probably an unpopular take, but
in some ways I sort of I respect what the
league did this year. Yeah, me too, with the situation.
They didn't allow themselves to be the next in line
for a guy they weren't sold on. That doesn't mean
Shedus Sanders or Quinn Yours or any of these guys
that got drafted well after they expected to be won't

(20:09):
be good players. Maybe they will be, But for whatever reason,
the Browns, the Giants, and the Saints and the steel
they weren't sold on the skills, so they didn't force it,
and they they they let it, you know, they let
it play out. I think if more teams did that,
I think you'd be better off. But I think mac
Jones and that in that draft that you're talking about,

(20:32):
is probably the only one of those five guys that
failed because I don't think he quite had the skill
set necessary. But justin fields, I mean, I think he's
talented enough. He just hasn't quite put it all together.

Speaker 5 (20:44):
Hopefully it doesn't.

Speaker 4 (20:46):
Oh yeah, no, that's that's true. But you know, like
my point, like I think there's a difference between Zach
Wilson failing and Mac mac Jones failing. I think that's
two entirely different reasons.

Speaker 7 (20:56):
Right.

Speaker 5 (20:56):
There's enough like random hits. You know, everyone loves to
play the hits, like Dak Prescott and I mean Brady's Brady.
But you know the later round guys where you realize
there are guys who fall through the cracks and there
are guys that on paper, maybe it doesn't line up
that they're going to be a legit starting quarterback in
this league that can win important games. So you know,
I totally agree that's and that's the reason why I

(21:17):
made the bet with you on Shador. It's just I
thought the NFL is afraid and these teams there's only
so many options that you can take that you actually
can sell.

Speaker 4 (21:24):
It wasn't a terrible bet that you made, because so
often that's what happens. Now, guy ends up getting taken
before he probably should because he's a quarterback.

Speaker 2 (21:33):
Do you think there's a world in which Tim Tebow
could have succeeded as a quarterback?

Speaker 5 (21:37):
I just keep thinking that that that clip of him
for the like I threw the football better than him.
I just I still don't quite understand how you can
be that bad and still get drafted in the first round.

Speaker 4 (21:49):
Like, because I'll be an you, like I I can't
quite understand how he was able to win any games
that he did, you know, that little stretch of tebow
Mania there and whatever it was eleven Yeah.

Speaker 2 (22:01):
The throw against Pittsburgh and the playoffs.

Speaker 4 (22:03):
Yeah, Like I can't believe like he came hearing it
having a complete inability to complete a forward pass and
he was able to like throw an eighty yard touchdown
at overtime. One, Like, I give him a little. It's testimate,
it's a testament to his just his character, his winner,
you know, quotient and all that. But yeah, no, I'm

(22:24):
not I don't think.

Speaker 2 (22:25):
I'm just wonder.

Speaker 4 (22:25):
I don't think he could have figured that if you were.

Speaker 2 (22:27):
Willing to completely transform your offense to be a Tim
Tebow type offense where the Ravens right, well, they did
you think they tried to?

Speaker 4 (22:36):
They did. They ran all that stuff, they ran the
zone reads and and all that stuff, and that you
remember that that's the game I was talking about a
couple of weeks ago, Mike the the one game at
Denver with Tebow, and they killed they killed the Patriots.
It was like they were up like sixteen to seven.
They scored the first three times they had the ball,
two touchdowns in a field goal, they missed one of
the extra points sixteen to seven right out of the shoot,

(22:59):
and then Bill went to the sideline, started to just
do your job, you know, made a couple of adjustments.
They completely shut it down. But that was that was
a gimmick offense. That was a you know, why did
they bring him here?

Speaker 2 (23:12):
Good questions?

Speaker 4 (23:13):
So I think it had I don't know, I mean,
I think it had something to do with Josh's affinity
for him, you know, he kind of wanted that kind
of guy. And I think Bill had that in his head, like,
you know, one.

Speaker 5 (23:23):
Can do what he can do and maybe I mean,
do you think they had on him playing quarterback or
was that to feel it out and see if we
can from somewhere else.

Speaker 4 (23:30):
No, it was quarterback. He played quarterback, you know in
training camp, unless they were doing something like in the
bubble when we weren't around or something like.

Speaker 2 (23:37):
I think there was a hidden agenda. Well, we'll let
him have a shot, and when he realizes he can't
do it, we're going to convert him to another position.

Speaker 4 (23:45):
Maybe maybe you know, maybe and maybe he pushed back
and then he pushed he pushed back on it. That's
that's not a bad theory for.

Speaker 2 (23:51):
I don't know. I don't know, but it's a good
question like why.

Speaker 4 (23:53):
Yeah, bring him here, you know, And it was I mean, Mike,
good guy.

Speaker 5 (23:57):
I know you guys have said it.

Speaker 4 (23:58):
Good kid, Like he killed more worms in that training can't.

Speaker 5 (24:02):
But like for Bill at that point, wanting to avoid
any distraction that he can is it the jewe was
the juice worth the squeeze.

Speaker 4 (24:10):
It's almost like he was sort of hypocritical in some
of the things he said and did, almost like that.

Speaker 2 (24:18):
But he's an example of all it takes is one
All it takes is one scout or head coach or
GM to like you and you're a quarterback, and it
would be.

Speaker 5 (24:28):
A great Josh truth serum question in the first round.
What's up?

Speaker 4 (24:32):
We see? In terms, there's there's a lot. You know,
Mitch just brought up like quarterbacks that did whatever in
college and then didn't pan out on the pros. I'm
not talking about guys that just you know, they were
they went, they played in college, and then they went
to the pros and they had sort of average careers.
I can't think of a guy who is a better

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college player and a worse pro than TV right right,
That's why it seems impossible. He he is on I
don't care how many you do. He's on a very
short list of the greatest college football players of all time.

Speaker 2 (25:08):
Five yeah, yeah, ten national titles.

Speaker 4 (25:12):
But I mean just the ultimate winner, the ultimate performer
in the clutch, like and he couldn't do anything in
the pros.

Speaker 5 (25:21):
Like the increase in the ball size that that three
maybe maybe honestly yeah, but even still like I mean,
you know, I have like an NFL sized ball and
a college size ball. We threw a wrest of it.
I mean this is different.

Speaker 4 (25:32):
It's different that the NFL is longer and the college
one is shorter and fatter. It's about the girth.

Speaker 5 (25:39):
Okay, all right, Ques in Atlanta, what's up?

Speaker 4 (25:42):
Q Hey?

Speaker 10 (25:46):
I got three quick thing. First of all, I like
everything that this new vision has done, except when they
have decided to release new players. So I wish I
would to give you the veteran players. I wish they
were the game.

Speaker 7 (26:00):
Cardona.

Speaker 10 (26:00):
I was able to release them at the beginning of
the year so they could have had a chance to
find on elsewhere. Speaking in this new regime, how can
we haven't hurt from Torrell Woodie year? We hurt from
everybody accepting me. I'm just make sure everything is okay
with him, you know, yep, because I don't know we got.

Speaker 7 (26:15):
To hurt from them.

Speaker 10 (26:16):
And my last thing is on the wide receiver. Everybody
is so quick to push a folk movie and they
through out the door. But with a Kennick Bourne and
in step On Diby and we have one good year
left and those other guys Wouldever, when you get rid
of they go and have eight good years. I think
that would be a mist So I don't think he

(26:36):
should push them out the door so quick. But bring
me to my last point. Do you think this new
regime will have the Foxville flu like.

Speaker 2 (26:42):
Filding Thanks Foxborough flu?

Speaker 10 (26:45):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (26:45):
I mean they could put some guys on the shelf,
you know.

Speaker 5 (26:48):
Uh yeah, I mean I don't Tryll Williams, I don't know.
I was scheduled to speak a couple of weeks ago
and he didn't. But other than that, I don't know
anything about it.

Speaker 4 (26:55):
He was he was out of town. Yeah at the time.
I don't know, you know why. I don't know what
came up. But I don't know. I haven't heard anything
about any problems, no like that. And I mean I
agree a lot of people have talked about Born being
the guy out too.

Speaker 5 (27:10):
Yeah, And I don't really care. I'm not pushing anybody
out the door, like. I just want all these guys
to compete and may the best man win. I don't
care who it is of this group. I mean, I
have a little bit of hope still for Jalen Polk
and even a little bit for Jaymon Baker. But to me,
let the best man emerge. And I just I think
there's some uncertainty with Stefon Diggs and how soon is
he going to be ready and you have to factor

(27:31):
that into your wide receiver.

Speaker 2 (27:33):
He may not be available right away.

Speaker 4 (27:34):
But you're nailing it like it's survival with the fittest.
Whoever deserves to stay will stay.

Speaker 5 (27:39):
Yeah, And on the vets, I would just say, sometimes
you need to get a look at these guys. You
got to get a sense of what direction they're headed,
Are they healthy? You know, it's not just I mean,
I think it would have been a worse look to
just first day a free agency or whatever just blanket
cut you know, all these vets. I mean, I think
it's it's not that simple. It's a feeling out process
and understanding where guys are at and what direction we
want to go. And now that raft comes together and

(28:00):
you say, do I like somebody? You know, those those
kind of things. But I always just go back to competition.
I think that's ultimately what it should always be about,
and what it is about.

Speaker 2 (28:08):
They're trying to bring about the best or the worst
in people.

Speaker 4 (28:11):
And I understand that line of thought too, Like you
know with veterans, you know, can you let them go
a little bit earlier, maybe give them a chance to snip.
But I mean it's I think they're all case by case,
and I think you're right, Like you drafted a long snapper,
so now you feel like you're comfortable enough to make
a move and just.

Speaker 5 (28:26):
Pick it, like you know, off of what Fred laid
out with Joe Cardona coming to talk to us, and
you know that emotional like it's never easier time for
the player, like it's always going to stink. You just
have to do what's best for the team. I know
that's a cliche, but I do think that that's how
you have to run your football team. You have to
look at it without the emotion and you have to
say what is best for us, what guys are trending up?
You know which guys are going to fit what we want.

Speaker 2 (28:47):
To do, and you can't like, yes, they are people,
but you there's also the business side of it. You
have to do what's best for the team. And you know,
I go ive been watching that Celtic City. I finished
that you haven't that last year and they interviewed Danny Ainge,
you know, several times throughout and at once, you know,
he's talking about his management style, and he's like, I

(29:10):
don't care. I don't care about the criticism. I don't
care what people think about the moves I make. I
don't care, you know, I just do what I think
is the best thing to do.

Speaker 4 (29:20):
You know.

Speaker 2 (29:21):
So he lived through when Red waited too long.

Speaker 10 (29:25):
You know.

Speaker 2 (29:26):
So a lot of people think with the Big Three,
he kind of left him on the team and didn't
use them to make the team younger and better.

Speaker 11 (29:35):
And Danny Ainge was the opposite. He didn't want to
do that with the teams that he ran. Like he said,
I don't care.

Speaker 5 (29:45):
I just don't know how you could do that job
if you're listening to what the people on talk radio
or what the scribes are writing, or you know you
I mean Bill for his faults, like no one was
better at this is what I'm doing. I believe this
is how we're going to make the team. And I
don't care what anybody else says, And I just I
think ultimately that's how you have to be if you're

(30:05):
trying to chase narratives or trying to make everybody happy.
It's a really hard job coaching any team. Like I mean,
we've we've been talking about it all morning with JV Sports,
But I mean, I have so much respect for coaches
of all. It's so hard to manage kids and manage people.
And unfortunately, when we sign up for this, you know,
this isn't forever, and it could end abruptly, whether it's

(30:26):
an injury, whether you get cut, you know, whatever it
might be, whether you get traded.

Speaker 2 (30:30):
I remember in three when they get rid of Maloy,
I was like, you know, and that was a contract thing,
but I was like, what, you know, how can they
do that? And I happen to run into the owner
and I said I need a pep talk. I said, like, wow,
Fred did the peon? Said Pepton. He said to me,
don't worry. We're in this for the long run. And
then you go to Buffalo and you get waxed. Was

(30:52):
it thirty one nothing or whatever. I'm like, well, maybe
we're in there for the long run, but the short
one really sucks. But eventually it all played out and
the rest is history.

Speaker 5 (31:03):
Such an interesting game in hindsight, it was so anti narrative.
It's like one of those games where all, of course.

Speaker 4 (31:07):
That's it.

Speaker 5 (31:07):
They're gonna fall apart, they're gonna stink, they're gonna be
terrible the whole time. And you know you saw that
team come together and rally.

Speaker 2 (31:13):
Yeah, hello, children, Hey, what's going on? They are the
gang's all here. You couldn't get in through that door.

Speaker 4 (31:25):
No, no, and not in this door here. So that's
what I said, But I listened to.

Speaker 2 (31:29):
Wait an you know there's a door here. No, that's
not the green room. The green room is the next door.
I thought.

Speaker 12 (31:36):
Isabel's in a picture of both doors.

Speaker 2 (31:37):
No, no, no, but just to show the relation, said.

Speaker 3 (31:43):
Door did not just have to barge in, That's what
you're saying.

Speaker 12 (31:48):
And then of course like the door was stuck.

Speaker 3 (31:49):
So so where you guys come from Drake May's press
com and how did that go?

Speaker 5 (31:58):
It went well.

Speaker 3 (31:58):
It was uh, first time we've heard from him in
quite some time since all the changes happened and everything,
so it was it was good to hear from him.
I think he's really enjoying working with Josh McDaniels and
right now they're they're in the lab so to speak,
together putting together the playbook and going through the terminology,
and that was some of the things that he said

(32:19):
about just throwing out last year's terminology and absorbing this
year's terminology right now is is that's the biggest thing
they're working on, is getting all of the verbiage from
last year out and getting all this stuff in.

Speaker 12 (32:34):
Yeah, he said he was super pumped about the free
agent additions too. Apparently had stuff on Digs on his
fantasy team when he was in high school, so he's
really excited to be able to actually throw to that
guy in real life and not just in Madden.

Speaker 5 (32:47):
Fantasy.

Speaker 3 (32:48):
That was a direct quote. He said that he used
to play with Stefan Diggs and Madden and now he
gets to play with them in real life. So he's
looking forward to that. And you know, very obviously excited
about Rabel too of course and what they're doing there.
But he said he watched Will Campbell, watched it live.
When Will Campbell said that he would die for his quarterback.

(33:09):
He was pretty pumped about that and said he wanted
to go out and play tomorrow. You know, right when
he heard that, he was like ready to go run
through a brick wall.

Speaker 4 (33:18):
Basically what he tweeted, right yeah, did you did you.

Speaker 5 (33:20):
See any physical differences in him? Did he look any different, bigger, smaller?

Speaker 3 (33:25):
He's always pretty big guy.

Speaker 12 (33:27):
So, yeah, he had a hoodie on.

Speaker 4 (33:29):
He had a bad.

Speaker 5 (33:30):
Shoulders kind of puffing all there's wanted to see something
added bulk to the frame.

Speaker 3 (33:36):
There's some scuttle butt about that on the interwebs.

Speaker 4 (33:39):
I wonder if that's why he was the hoodie.

Speaker 3 (33:42):
Machine was such a well, we've posted some pictures you know,
behind you know, stuff behind the scenes from practice and
stuff like that.

Speaker 4 (33:50):
Let's just assume that I hadn't seen those.

Speaker 3 (33:53):
The fans think that he looks a little bit bulked up,
a little a little bit added some more chisel.

Speaker 5 (33:59):
Good, you know.

Speaker 4 (34:00):
So it would be a good thing. I think you
needs I don't know you need military. That's a good
that's a good sign. If for the girls, if in
fact true, would be a welcome edition. So we have
a jack lolane clinking.

Speaker 2 (34:19):
So did he go for an extended period? Was it short?

Speaker 3 (34:22):
It was a good amount. It was a good amount.
They're doing right now. It's like four days on, three
days off is like their current schedule. So today was
the fourth day. So they're all they're all headed out
for a couple of days off after today, so a
lot of media. It's a good amount of media. Yeah, yeah, the.

Speaker 2 (34:41):
Off until Monday.

Speaker 3 (34:43):
It's a perfect storm with that that sucks out of town.

Speaker 4 (34:47):
Yeah. And Drake May, like you May quarterback, if you're
covering the Patriots, you gotta get down here for an
interview with Drake May when you haven't heard from him
since it wasn't seventeen, it was not full for the
game a fight you didn't hear from a week eighteen. Yeah,
and you didn't hear from Hm after the season, so
it's been a while.

Speaker 2 (35:06):
Anybody asked about Josh McDaniels or anything.

Speaker 3 (35:09):
Like that, Yeah, Yeah, there was a there's a handful
of questions about Josh McDaniels. I mean, everything that has
gone on this offseason, he kind of had I'm pumped,
you know, I'm excited for all of it, you know,
sort of comments about it. But like I said earlier,
I think with Josh McDaniels, he's he seems like just
eager to just pick his brain and just to absorb

(35:30):
all the knowledge that McDaniels brings to the table. And
you mentioned, you know, everybody mentions Brady, but there's other
quarterbacks that McDaniels has worked with that have had success
and all that kind of stuff too, So he's right now.
I almost feel like he's a sponge, you know, he's
just trying.

Speaker 2 (35:46):
To any tar heel talk.

Speaker 3 (35:49):
No, all right, just wondering David Andrews question to ask
that Milton question. Yeah, I think those were probably, you know,
happy for the shows we'll focus on.

Speaker 4 (36:06):
I'm interested in the Milton one.

Speaker 5 (36:09):
I'm not really Andrews so happy for Joe getting an
opportunity there.

Speaker 3 (36:12):
Yeah, basically he just said he's happy that, you know,
Joe's can be the best.

Speaker 4 (36:18):
Can I just ask how the question was posed? I
want to see how fraudulent my colleagues.

Speaker 12 (36:23):
Are, Hi, Drake, I'm just curious.

Speaker 4 (36:28):
They're they're mean, said Drake.

Speaker 5 (36:36):
Can I can I throw a little topic for discussion
out there? I talked a little bit with Paula at this,
but it feels like a good time to pick you
back on it. Do you feel like the Patriots have
done enough on offense that now it's less about Drake
doesn't have the protection of the weapons. Is a little
bit more pressure and focus now on Drake may to
take this team to the next level.

Speaker 3 (36:56):
Yeah, he was asked a question like that that was
along those same lines like, do you feel.

Speaker 12 (37:01):
Said it's kind of like for agency, we we just
plugged in hopefully we can play.

Speaker 3 (37:05):
Yeah, yeah, you know, do you feel any added pressure
now that the team went out in the offseason and
really aggressively added a lot of talent to the roster
to do just that. I we're definitely in the territory
for me, this is my opinion that we're they should
at least be an NFL average offense or better. Right Like,
I don't think we're in the territory anymore where you

(37:26):
can sit here and say they're the thirtieth ranked offense
and here's all the excuses as to why, you know,
barring a bunch of injuries or something like that happened.
But for right now, I feel like, on paper, like
they should be a representable, you know, Mac Jones rookie
season esque NFL offense, and if they're not, then we're
gonna be asking.

Speaker 2 (37:46):
How long do you give them? Do you give him
until October? You know? Wow?

Speaker 4 (37:50):
Fred looking to make change.

Speaker 2 (37:54):
In terms of saying, okay, yes, this offense is better.
How long do you give them.

Speaker 5 (37:58):
I think, I mean I would say, I think, yeah,
six to eight games, I mean half a season. I
mean I think there could be some ups and downs
early in the season. Evan just said it. He's got
to learn all new Verbi. He's just a new offense.
I will be a little forgiving in September. I always
am of generally everything because it takes there's no hitting
in training camp anymore. Takes some time. But I think
as you get into October, when coaches like Bill Belichick

(38:19):
have traditionally told you you start to know what you have,
then the trends become the reality and not just one
offs or random games where it went sideways.

Speaker 4 (38:29):
I mean, I'll.

Speaker 5 (38:29):
Continue to say these two things till I'm blue in
the face. He's got to cut down the turnovers, and
he's got a show in crunch time when the games
is winnable that he can lead the team to the win.
And you know there might be ups and downs. It
won't be perfect, but I'd love to see those elements
this year.

Speaker 2 (38:43):
David new Hampshire writes in he said, I was working
courtside during the Celtics game last week assisting a cameraman
just before tip off. In our rush to get off
the parque, I didn't notice two gentlemen taking their seats
in the front row, which causes the worst moment in
my professional career. I walked backwards directly into Robert Kraft. Mortified,

(39:04):
I take I take a quick step right into Mike Rabel.
All I could muster up was sorry Mike, as I
scurried back to my place behind the net. Of course,
they know how hectic the sideline could be, but the
rest of the night I just wanted to die of embarrassment. Anyway,
I love the first two picks, and they send along
another Sorry Mike.

Speaker 12 (39:21):
Hey, if you stay on your feet after bumping into
Rabel and not getting knocked over that.

Speaker 5 (39:27):
I have a chess protector on at the game.

Speaker 3 (39:28):
So it's funny because we were at that game that
they were at, and as soon as Rabel and mister
Kraft walked in, I just went, Rabel's here, and my
dad was like what and I was like, yeah, he's
right there. And my dad was like, what do you
have like a radar on him or something?

Speaker 5 (39:44):
And I was like yes, I was like my head
coach job, absolutely, did you do a zoom in tweet
Rabel in attendance tonight.

Speaker 4 (39:54):
Yeah I did.

Speaker 3 (39:56):
And then like everybody like had was also picking up
on it at the time. Obviously they showed him on
the SPS. They did him on them, They hold the
works jumbo tron. ESPN had on the works. They were
sitting right underneath the Road Team basket, like literally courtside,
right underneath the basket, so you couldn't miss it, like

(40:16):
when they were showing that angle like they were on
TV several times.

Speaker 2 (40:21):
I'm sure yep. Back to the phones. Nate's in Connecticut.
Oh jeez, I hit the wrong button, Ate, Sorry, Nate,
damn it. No fingers, Yeah, sorry about that. This is
a little holdover from last show. This is Andrew. Can

(40:42):
we stop with the trashing on Sony Michelle and Malcolm Mitchell.
Although their careers weren't long and Sony didn't play long
for US, both players in their own had their own
Super Bowl played great the Super Bowl against the Rams.
Sony had ninety four yards rushing against Aaron Donald. Malcolm
Mitchell had six catches for seventy yards against the Falcons

(41:02):
of the Super Bowl, and five catches were in the
fourth quarter. What stopped the heat. Yes, they didn't last long,
but still contributed. I think you're misinterpreting what the talk
was about them. It wasn't like, oh, they weren't good.
It's just that you know injury risk, and you know,
you never know when someone's you know about somebody's career.

Speaker 3 (41:22):
Yeah, well people maybe not so much publicly with Sony,
and we kind of found out after the fact with
Sony Michelle that his knee was a problem. But the
point I think we were trying to make was that
we knew going into the draft that these guys had
injury concerns and might have shorter shelf lifes, and that's
the way that it ultimately panned out for both of them.

(41:43):
So Sony Michelle was never the player he was at
Georgia with the Patriots. He never had the juice that
he had at Georgia here. I mean, he was a
much different player at Georgia than he was with the Patriots.

Speaker 5 (41:55):
I feel like I understand the pick a little bit
better now. We had so much discussion in this draft
period about when can you draft a running back, Like
do you have to wait till your offensive line is great?

Speaker 4 (42:04):
Do you know?

Speaker 5 (42:05):
Are you is it too soon to draft him. And
I think that year they got into that point where
it's the end of the first and you see what
these teams now that are playoff teams that make deep
playoff runs. You sit there and you kind of say, well,
what's here? What makes sense? I mean, I know Michelle
had issues, but the you know, the emailer is right. Yeah,
he helped them win a super Bowl that year. I
think Paul would argue that anybody probably could have helped

(42:27):
them win a super Bowl.

Speaker 3 (42:28):
But they lost Toon Lewis that offseason to the Titans,
and free agency to Rabel and free agency and and
so they didn't have a lead back and they needed
a lead back and at that time they didn't have
a ton of holes.

Speaker 5 (42:40):
So, I mean, I love Malcolm Mitchell.

Speaker 2 (42:42):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (42:43):
During COVID, me and Paul sat down and rewatched Super
Bowl fifty one with him, and he was just an
outstanding human being. I mean, it's just and that's just
a sad situation. You know, you take a risk on
a guy. Sometimes a guy has a back injury, you
take him in the second round and ends up being Gronk.
Sometimes they've got a knee injury in the third fourth round. Man,
you know they already yeah.

Speaker 3 (43:01):
We really both those guys are better than dominic ees.
It was but yeah, that that was that was the
big thing with Malcolm Mitchell. I remember at the time,
everybody loved the pick because of the talent and he
was great and and everyone kind of knew that it
was going to be short lived. But to the emailer's point,
they got one Super Bowl out of him and he
was huge against Atlanta and.

Speaker 13 (43:20):
That was it.

Speaker 2 (43:20):
Yep, uh, Nate's in Connecticut. I hope I did it
right this time. What's up, Nate?

Speaker 7 (43:26):
Hey, how are you guys?

Speaker 3 (43:28):
And great?

Speaker 2 (43:31):
Okay?

Speaker 5 (43:31):
Thanks?

Speaker 14 (43:34):
All right. So I was, you know, wondering about the draft,
but that do you think on Henderson was like the
best thing we could do in the situation?

Speaker 2 (43:44):
Do we think Travion Henderson was what?

Speaker 5 (43:49):
I'm sure that we'll look back and somebody will tell
me that some guy went six picks later that might
have made more sense. But as I sit here right now,
I'm going to tell you I think that that's an
outstanding pick. I think he's going to bring an element
of speed, explosiveness to this offense that they badly needed.
We can play the would have, could have, should have
game down the road a little bit. But as I
sit here right now, I think it's what I'm standing pick.

Speaker 14 (44:09):
What do you think, Nate, I I honestly love the
pick and like I love Stevenson, but you know, over
the season, we saw issues continue to stack up, and
especially on the offense. And how you know already how
like bad it was that season, Like you can't have
a guy like that be carrying the ball two hundred
times a season. So you know, getting a guy like

(44:31):
raig On Henderson who carries the ball like one and
forty more times for over one thousand yards and like
had an average of seven point two yards per gary,
That's that's the guy who's going to open up more
opportunities on an offense, not even just in the run game,
but the past game as well.

Speaker 2 (44:48):
Yeah, some of them get seven point two yards to
carry in the NFL. But I get your point. Yeah, thanks, Nate.

Speaker 12 (44:53):
I don't even watch film, but some of those like
blocking highlights he has was just blowing guys up. That
guy that even got me.

Speaker 3 (45:00):
Throwing his body and yeah, you hear, like one of
the best blocking running backs I've ever evaluated. From people
in the league that have that have watched Trevon Henderson
pass protect and blitz, pick up and stuff like that.
So that's exciting in itself, even beyond the skill that
he has. But you know, I had him thirty second
on my big board. They picked him at thirty eight,

(45:21):
and so I thought it was pretty good value. And
to Mike's point, if Luther Burden goes on to be
a star in the league, that will be the second guess. Now,
hopefully even if Luther Burden's good, so is Trevion Henderson
And said it's a wash, right, But you know, if
it doesn't go that direction, then those will be the questions.
But it will irk me because we won't bring up
the context of why they passed on Luther Burden. But

(45:44):
that's besides the point.

Speaker 5 (45:45):
Yeah, I mean, I so we went through the process.
We talked a lot about running backs and that you
need to draft a running back this year, and I
fell on the side of and I think you kind
of did two of three. Fine, yeah, you get a guy.

Speaker 3 (45:55):
In third or fourth round.

Speaker 4 (45:56):
Yeah, But now I've kind of.

Speaker 5 (45:58):
Changed my mind a little bit, And you know, I
think Ramondre deserves every chance to get back out there
and show that, you know, he can hang on to
the ball. He's a really good player, and I hope
that he lives up to his you know, potential we
saw a couple of years ago. But I think they
need to have a b option or a young promising
back that if Romandre has some issues or look, everybody
gets hurt at that position anyway. I like Antonio Gibson,

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He's fine, But to have a young charged back who's
ready to come in and contribute, it's just a great
down shift if something were to happen to romondre with it,
no matter what the issue were. So that room had
to be reinforced.

Speaker 11 (46:32):
And I like that.

Speaker 2 (46:33):
They went and plus the next pick with Kyle Williams,
so it's not like they're ignoring wide receiver. They picked
the dynamic wide receiver as well. So again, you got
a left tackle, you got a running back, you got
a wide receiver. Let's go.

Speaker 5 (46:49):
I know, that's that's the that's just right, Like that's
like all right, let's start to come together.

Speaker 3 (46:53):
Like and a similar player too, I would say with
Kyle Williams and Luther Burden, I think they're similar in
what they do well. And their strengths and weaknesses. There's
really only two guys that I look at and say,
you know, if you want to play the either or
game or would you rather game? Donovan Azaruku from Boston
College pass rusher, he went I think forty two or

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something like that to Dallas. And then and then obviously Burden,
Like those are the two guys that I would say
were in the conversation to me at thirty eight, that
you could have put up against Trevon Henderson. But you know,
I understand the way they went with it. And you know,
to Mike's point about we were kind of more on
like mid round running backs, you know, third fourth round

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running backs, it seemed like there was a clear demarcation
between the two Ohio State backs, RJ. Harvey from UCF
and then the rest of them, Like those guys were
kind of put into a category of like explosive, big
playbacks that the league had graded a little bit higher
than the Devin Nils and the Trevor Etns and like
that whole next wave that went in the fourth round.

(47:58):
So I can understand why they went where they they went.
I would have been fine either way, but they they
got a player properly rated player, just just.

Speaker 5 (48:07):
To make a quick comp though, you know Luther Burdon,
we know he has some issues about people can't stop
talking about what a great guy Kyle Williams are, So
you know, it's just you see what the difference is.
I mean, Burnon has some boom er bust potential, but
you know, Williams won a lot of people over here,
not just in football when he visited. The coaches I've
talked to of all just raved about what an outstanding

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young man he is. So you know that's where you're
willing to make your mistake if you know, look, we're
going to make our mistake on Let's go with the
guy that everybody really likes his personality and he.

Speaker 3 (48:36):
Can play on the outside, which I think is something
that excites me from a football standpoint. But Burden with
Jalen Nole really talented players and I'm not trying to
do that thing where well, now this guy's a Patriots,
so I'm going to trash the other guys. But those
other guys are viewed as you know, guys that are
going to play like seventy five eighty percent of their
snaps in the slot, like going to be pure slot receivers,

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whereas I think, you know, because of his releases, they
are optimistic that Kyle Williams can play more on the outside,
so he's a little bit more of a versatile receiver
than Burden and no Lar.

Speaker 12 (49:08):
Yeah, just to piggyback off your point Mike about like,
I don't know how much of the posts draft press
conferences you guys heard from each guy, but like the
common theme I kept thinking about was like, these guys
are really attent, like really really intelligent. These guys are
really well spoken. These guys all seem like really like
high character, great teammate leaders. And just every year we've

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had like a couple of those guys that really gave
me pause, and I was like, wow, this is I'm
really looking forward to talking to this guy. And this
year it was every single one right after another.

Speaker 5 (49:39):
Yeah, I agree. I didn't get to hear Kyle Williams.
I think there was some audio difficulty, but I read
the transcripts of everybody and yeah, I mean it's I agree.
I agree.

Speaker 2 (49:47):
Yep. Gerald In Grimsby writes in we're talking about Tim
Tebow coming to the Patriots, He says, is it possible
that the Patriots brought Tebow in to be an influence
or babysit at certain tight end he played college ball with.
Did that coincide?

Speaker 4 (50:02):
Shoot?

Speaker 3 (50:03):
It probably did, but I was definitely not covering the
team back then, So I have no idea.

Speaker 5 (50:11):
I got it. I gotta look that one up. I
gotta look that one up because it Yeah, it doesn't
really line up to me. I know Josh came back
at the end of eleven for the playoff run, right,
but didn't they hurt it? I mean, well, I think
it might have been. Yeah, it might have been twelve
Tebo was Tim Tebow twelve?

Speaker 7 (50:25):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (50:26):
And then I think, yeah, it might be.

Speaker 2 (50:29):
He also says, am I wrong to be still holding
out hope that Cayden Wallace can be a right tackle?

Speaker 15 (50:33):
No?

Speaker 5 (50:35):
You're not at all. I mean that's and that's something
I've been saying.

Speaker 2 (50:37):
I don't.

Speaker 5 (50:37):
I think we're wrong to write him off last year.
I mean last year he was put into the wrong box.
Everyone put him is like, oh, this is a right
this is a right tackle they're going to try to
make into a left tackle, and it didn't work. Like
he was just a really promising right tackle prospect.

Speaker 4 (50:51):
That's what he was.

Speaker 5 (50:52):
So give him an off season, let him get healthy.
I could see a perfect world where he's the swing
tackle in back of Morgan Moses and maybe eventually, you know,
could succeed him. So I like that email. Don't rule
him out.

Speaker 3 (51:03):
I would we did. He didn't play, so yeah, we
you know he was. He was out hurt for the
vast majority of the season. So you know, I understand
being a little bit lower right now on Polk and
Baker because we they had opportunity to play and just
didn't do much with it. With Caen Wallace, that's a
he's a total unknown right now. He's a mystery box.

Speaker 4 (51:21):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (51:21):
Kamel from Georgia. He has three things. One, how are
we feeling about Kyle Dugar being the longest tenured Patriot
right now?

Speaker 3 (51:29):
It's crazy?

Speaker 2 (51:30):
Yeah, we're getting younger.

Speaker 12 (51:32):
Do you guys talk about Cardonia yet?

Speaker 2 (51:35):
What did you think you were there?

Speaker 12 (51:38):
Did you discuss the meeting?

Speaker 7 (51:39):
Oh?

Speaker 12 (51:40):
Yeah, yeah, I mean I always really like Joe. He's
always been I think, really good to us. One quick story. Obviously,
my first couple of seasons here, Bill was still here
and like we're kind of trud like second class citizens. Right.
But uh, I got the opportunity to go with Hoyer
and Cardona to the country Club in Brooklyn when the

(52:00):
US Open was here, and they got to play the course,
and that was my first time really getting to know
both of those guys. But over the course of eighteen
holes and just hanging out with them, they were so cool.
They didn't at all treat me like a second class citizen.
Joe let me play an entire hole with his clubs
on the country club. I had a good drive, even

(52:22):
though it was way longer than I'm used to, but
like I would never have the opportunity to sniff that
golf course, never mind play a hole, So that was
really cool to me. I really always appreciated that. And
then ever since, he's always been an awesome quote for me,
always in the community. I feel like I was always
going to Like I was just in Newport with him
last week, went to the FBI with him. Had a

(52:44):
lot of cool opportunities because Cardona was doing something in
the community. So I really appreciate him.

Speaker 2 (52:50):
The second thing from Kamal, do you think Joe Cordona
can get into the Patriots Hall of Fame? I think
he does. I don't. Unfortunately now listen, Joe's a great guy,
but you know.

Speaker 4 (53:02):
Me, I I can't even get Wes Welker on the battle.

Speaker 3 (53:07):
Yeah, no disrespect, but yeah, right exactly.

Speaker 5 (53:11):
But I think with the amount of things that we
do partnering with the military, I think he should still
be around and still be a lot of part of
those things we had the Army Navy game last year, Yeah,
involving him in those kind of things, and I think
she should always be a connection for this organization.

Speaker 11 (53:24):
And then finally, now with Trevion Henderson on the roster,
do we think this will make Antonio Gibson the receiving back.

Speaker 5 (53:31):
I just I don't think that there is that anymore.
I think that their new vision of what they want.
I could be wrong because Josh is back and maybe
he still sees likes that delineation of early down passing down,
but the way they played last year, the way the
game is headed, I think they like all three of
those guys to play every down, and it's certainly different styles.
Maybe Gibson and Henderson are a little bit more similar

(53:51):
in that respect, but I don't think it's going to
be delineated like that this year.

Speaker 4 (53:55):
I think I think Henderson is that guy. I think
Henderson is like James White. I think he can run
between the tackles, maybe more than the Patriots use James
White in Matt regard, but I think he's an exceptional
receiver and explosive on the outside in space. I'd expect
him to run. RD talked a lot to his running
backs coach, and he said, he's absolutely a guy you

(54:16):
can line up outside the formation, find a matchup, and
he runs routes. He's not just catching little swing passes
and screens. He can run routes. So I think that's
what James White's special ability was. He could get out
in space and you know, run a seven yard slant
or you know, a double move on a wheel route
or something that wasn't just you know, a little swing passes.

Speaker 5 (54:36):
Maybe some pony package, ye, a little pony get to
get the two rbs out there. I mean, Gibson was
a receiver in college, so you know, maybe there's something
there where we've got you know, two really good receiving backs.
You know he tried. I mean, it's so interesting to
see the past protection thing that's been praised because that's
often been a roadblock for rookies getting on the field

(54:57):
at this position. So is Henderson really that good? Do
they trust?

Speaker 4 (55:00):
It's immediately I had a chance to sit down and
talk to Carlos Lachlan, the running backs coach Ohio.

Speaker 5 (55:05):
Still and what did he have to say.

Speaker 4 (55:06):
He said, he absolutely can run those roches, like you said.

Speaker 2 (55:10):
While you were gonefall, we had an emailer who wondered
if the reason they brought Tebo when was the kind
of babysit a certain time?

Speaker 5 (55:17):
So I think it was thirteen after.

Speaker 4 (55:21):
I don't remember the years, but I do like the thought. Yeah,
I don't remember if the you know, I got to
look at the timetable to see.

Speaker 5 (55:29):
Camp twenty thirteen, I think.

Speaker 1 (55:32):
Already already, like they.

Speaker 12 (55:34):
All knew Hernandez in that mentality. Do you think like
they thought he would give a crop about Tim Tebow?

Speaker 2 (55:41):
Well, according to the doc that I watched on I
think it was netflix that. I mean, Tibo was actually
a positive influence on him while he was in Florida.

Speaker 12 (55:50):
In Florida together, that was my next question, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (55:52):
A little bit, like he helped him. It did help.

Speaker 3 (55:54):
He was like his that Urban Meyer Florida team, like
the Big two time National Cham.

Speaker 2 (56:01):
I mean he actually had him going to church for
a little bit. Okay, yeah, if you're gonna believe it,
Sean writes in Uh, he says, I'm going to be
relocating to the Winston Salem, North Carolina area later this month,
and do you all know if they have any Patriots
bars or groups down in that area. It's a good
opportunity for me to plug the Patriots fan club Registry.

Speaker 4 (56:25):
Sean.

Speaker 2 (56:26):
If you go to Patriots dot com, go into the
fan zone on Patriots dot com, you'll see a link
for the fan club Registry. Go there, just type in
Winston Salem, North Carolina, and it'll show you all the
fan clubs in the area and bars that they go to.
I know there is a big North Carolina fan It's
run by a guy named Todd.

Speaker 5 (56:49):
I don't know who runs that one.

Speaker 2 (56:50):
Yeah, he's a big guy. But they when they have
watch parties, they they'll bring in Patriots alumni and uh,
they do a really good job there. They raise money
for the Patriots Foundation. I'm not sure how close they
are to win some Salem. I think they are. I
think they are.

Speaker 5 (57:06):
I think they are.

Speaker 2 (57:07):
Yeah, because when we go to the games down there.
They weren't too far from where we stayed, and we
stayed close to So just go to the fan club
registry type in North Carolina and you'll have all that information.
And anyone else anywhere in the world you can do
the same thing. So go to Patriots dot com fan
Zone fan Club Registry and use that tool when you're traveling.

(57:30):
If you want to look for a bar that's showing
the game, you can use it for that. It's a
pretty cool tool.

Speaker 5 (57:39):
I mean, I was more flashing back to when I
was a fan going to Seattle and it's like at
the bar party with you guys.

Speaker 2 (57:44):
My god, there's free curse you know were he was
under the table.

Speaker 5 (57:50):
It was hard to get a beer there. I remember
I was like, man, this place is not.

Speaker 4 (57:56):
All right.

Speaker 2 (57:57):
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Speaker 16 (59:45):
I mean, not something that obviously comes with a position.
And I'll like to hopefully call myself this year leader
and I think working towards that. I think just earning
the guys respect a lot of the new faces in here,
you know, come in here and work hard, and you know,
show those guys that we picked up in free agency,
or the rookies or guys we picked up just kind
of my work, I think. I think kind of you know,
start out from that standpoint and show the coaches. I
think once you get you know, new staff and new players,

(01:00:07):
you want to show them, Hey, it's not relaxed time.
I think, you know, want some You're gonna be the starter.
Just you know, keep things, you know, pushing forward and
where saying more than you know and whether and walk
through or a little things like that. Just kind of
kind of build that and not focused too much on it.
Just hopefully kind of hopefully it comes natural.

Speaker 2 (01:00:22):
Great.

Speaker 17 (01:00:22):
If you mentioned the guys that you had a free
agency offseason, rookies, what do you think about the off season.

Speaker 4 (01:00:27):
General plast team.

Speaker 16 (01:00:28):
Yeah, I think I'm pumped. I think you know, a
lot of new faces, a lot of guys, a lot
of veterans that played at a high level. I think,
you know, we we we we kind of find answers
a lot of different spot that hopefully can can plug
and play. And I think that's what. You know, the
point of free agency is, I think, get guys that
come in here and help us win, help us win now.
And I think you had that it was some young
talent that we've had in the past, you know, a
couple of drafts, and I think hopefully we're head in
the right direction. So I think that's what. You know,

(01:00:49):
it's guys in there working towards I'm working towards kind
of kind of get to know each other, you know,
connect That's what because we're able to you know, kind
of preaching is you know, kind of learn it and
training and connecting. And I think it's it's it's been
fun to kind of get these know these guys and
getting those guys.

Speaker 3 (01:01:03):
It's been a bunch of different places.

Speaker 16 (01:01:05):
So it's it's been cool you look at.

Speaker 17 (01:01:07):
Ahead, but have you taken time to look bad some
time and space since the end of the season. What
you would like to improve on, Things you want to
take away and build on going into the spring.

Speaker 4 (01:01:18):
Yeah, understand.

Speaker 16 (01:01:19):
I think you go back and you see you know,
obviously negative plays or you know, sacks or you know, turnovers.
I think there's always in ways to improve and protecting football.
You appreciate protecting the football. You got to you know,
turnovers in this league are no good. They don't result
the wins in this league. So you know, finally protect
the football. You'll find them ways to Hey it's you know,
third downmarn and field goal range. They don't take a sack,

(01:01:39):
a little things like that. I think you can always learn,
you know, especially and also protection wise, you'll protect myself
and you know, you know it's gonna be nucles McDaniel's
you know, kind of just different different protection scheme, different stuff.
So just find them ways to you know, learn in
and outs and just like I said, get the guys,
you know, going on to the right page, Drake, what do.

Speaker 3 (01:01:57):
You like you mentioned the protection scheme it seems like
a lot of the quarterback pre snap.

Speaker 18 (01:02:02):
Mean, what do you like about how to any troubles there?

Speaker 16 (01:02:04):
Yeah, I think the balls in my hands. I think
if you want that, I think you know, I hold
the pen last. That's what you know, they say, And
I think that's what you want because I can. I
got the best view back there. Maybe the running back
you know es fetching the gun, but even under center,
you've got the best view of the defense.

Speaker 4 (01:02:16):
And you're the ones that you have to know.

Speaker 16 (01:02:18):
Where eybody's at, know what you know, really what everybody's doing,
or you know some point exactly maybe the technique exactly upfront,
but you got a good idea of you know, what
they're supposed to do. I think know it's it's it's
great for me to you know, hold the pen last,
like I said, and make Hey, if I may see
a week safety coming and the center may not be
able to see that, or you know, the coach may
not see it from the sideline, little things like that,
I think it's be great for me to You'll take

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that next step and you know, taking command of you'll
sending the guys up front where to go, and you
know who the block, So I'm looking forward to it.

Speaker 3 (01:02:45):
I've heard from some of your teammates that were the
last completes about music in the Halloways, Mike Rabol calling
on guys, kind of cold calling at eatings. How would
you describe the vibe very early of Mike Rabel's football program.

Speaker 16 (01:02:58):
Yeah, I think it's coming here and and you have
your head on the sold we'll get to work. I
think that's kind of, you know, the vibe I've caught.
I think there's no you spend time outside of when
we're in the building. You know, Phase one just finished,
first week of Phase two and we're here for four hours.
So I think it's kind of really figuring out with
the new coaches. You know, who's learning, who's spending time
outside of you know here of learning it, and who
wants to help us win when when the season comes.

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And I think that's what they want. They want to
get the guys, get the right guys in here who
want to win and know the answers when your cold
call them and who knows you know, he has energy
in the hallways. I think they can kind of differentiate
between the guys who kind of know when to have
fun and know when to, you know, put their head
down and you'll have you know, get things right.

Speaker 9 (01:03:36):
And before added he at this level of investors and
teams being on the opposive side of the tall, is.

Speaker 19 (01:03:42):
There already added the pressure on you.

Speaker 16 (01:03:45):
I think you know, there's there's there's there's enough pressure
playing this position in this league. I think you take
it as there's you guys around you that that I
want to make plays and and it can make plays
for you. So I don't think there's any out of pressure.
I think, uh, I think it's a national poll league.
So every week you got to bring it. And I
think you know, if if there is had a pressure,
I think you want it. You want to you know,

(01:04:06):
ball in my hands and win, you know, crunch down.

Speaker 1 (01:04:09):
What's it like working the stuff on taps ship.

Speaker 4 (01:04:11):
I was excited, were you when they signed to him?
And you know what that shoot?

Speaker 16 (01:04:14):
You know Stefan, I mean he's one of those guys
growing up and when I was in high school, he
was a young you know, young in the league and
you had my fantasy team and you know, things like that.
So playing with him at Madden so it's it's pretty
cool to hopefully, you know, now this season been throwing
to him. He's coming back obviously from injury and looks
like he's doing great. He's been around, and I think
it's just it's gonna be cool to throw a you know,

(01:04:36):
receiver like who's made plays like he has. There's made
big players in playoff games, who's uh been in a
lot of different schemes, who's played with high little quarterbacks
to see kind of his point your point of view
from different stuff, and just it's my job to give
him a chance to go get it.

Speaker 15 (01:04:48):
So curious, Well, first off, I want to take a
congratulationship on your tea.

Speaker 4 (01:04:52):
Thank you, But you know I was.

Speaker 3 (01:04:54):
Cherious you are some o Sea, so should get to
see if he's like expressed a lot of name and
chief on being him.

Speaker 1 (01:04:59):
Chan I'm just say maybe it's slower than the season.

Speaker 3 (01:05:03):
Have you talked from Susau Sason?

Speaker 4 (01:05:05):
What are you seeing from them or just what are
you accepting from them?

Speaker 1 (01:05:08):
Yeah?

Speaker 16 (01:05:08):
I think you know, those guys that came in from
you know, came in with me, They were drafted with me,
and you know we took it upon ourselves at rookies
to hopefully kind of set up a good standard and
I think I think I've seen from them is just
kind of learning a new offense. I think they're they're
ahead of where they were, you know, when we were
in the first couple of weeks last year learning the
new offense. So I think they kind of have caught
the stride up. Hey, I gotta you know, be all

(01:05:28):
my stuff, No, be in the right spot, you know
what to do, And that's just you know, half of
it making the plays the next part. So I think
you definitely, you know, seeing kind of a get up
from them and looking forward to you know, getting them
into camping and see what they could do.

Speaker 3 (01:05:39):
Dren curiously, this saw season putting the offense together, you know, Josh,
obviously it's guys used to lead in the charge of that.

Speaker 4 (01:05:46):
But has he asked you about things that you like,
like you feel like you have any influence over how
that will come together? Interest your life systems.

Speaker 1 (01:05:54):
And now great moments.

Speaker 16 (01:05:57):
Like you know, stuff I like from last year that
we ran, stuff that I like that they do, that
that I've seen on film. I think he'll be I
think it'd be good for us because we'll be able
to do a lot. I think it'll be challenging to
find out exactly what you know, what is going to
be kind of our stuff, and I think, uh, that's
the fun part of it. That's kind of the chest
match against coordinators that you you want to find, but
coach is great about you'll find the matchups and kind

(01:06:18):
of exploiting defenses when you may know what what to expect.
So I think I'm just looking forward to, you know,
starting the game plan. I know that's far away, but
I think you kind of get the edged now thought partner. Yeah, David, Uh,
you know, man, I think kind of you know the
me think of you know, a veteran and you know,
a leader. I think that's kind of the standard I

(01:06:38):
learned from from David Andrews. He was great to me.
He was you know, one of the first we met
in the locker room. He was here every more early
in the morning.

Speaker 4 (01:06:46):
He was uh yeah.

Speaker 16 (01:06:48):
I think just think about David is he did things
outside and you know, took me to dinner and you
paid for you know, massage from one of the ladies.
He just does things that you know, bigger than football,
and I think that's you know, stuff you care with
the rest of your career, you know, wishing the best
of him, and you know, one of those guys out
keep in touch with a long time. I think, uh,
you know, he had never you know, I think I
took a couple of snapps them that end of the
Jets games. But you know that next game he obviously

(01:07:10):
got hurt. So he's a bummer out to really get
to go out there and battle with them. But uh,
he's the Nationaltball League and these things happened.

Speaker 9 (01:07:17):
Great.

Speaker 1 (01:07:17):
The year goes by so quick.

Speaker 3 (01:07:19):
You went right from the put into the draft and
all the things that went with the drafts to here
to play.

Speaker 5 (01:07:24):
How did you use the offseason mentally? You can kind
of get down a little bit and then.

Speaker 16 (01:07:29):
Yeah, I think it's it was a little different because
you got to learn a new system, so you have
to take a break maybe, you know, through the Super Bowl,
and once it got kind of you know, kicked, you know,
got got ended. One super Bowl ended, you're kind of
back into hey to be all my stuff. So when
we get here, you know, at least I sound like
I know what I'm talking about with the offense, and
I think you definitely gonn take a break, And I
think that's what you know. This four days are on
three days off, you get to get a chance to

(01:07:51):
you know, hang out or go back home or receive
from people. I think that's one of the good things
about the off season, to get a chance to kind
of catch a break and then you know, four days
on or five days however, want how much you want
to work. So I think that's a good time for
me to take some time off. But also at the
same time, this is just what we do. This is
what you know I want to do.

Speaker 4 (01:08:08):
So God us the trade this offseason.

Speaker 16 (01:08:13):
Your reaction, Yeah, texted Joe. You know, me and Joe,
we came in together. We learned the offense together. We
were competing every day to sleep out, throw each other
and and practice. And obviously he's got a you know,
a big arm, so uh, it was it was cool
for him to you know, get a chance to you'll
go hopefully and be back up. And I think you
saw him the Bills game, his potential and I think, uh,
he's fun because we got kind of similar play styles

(01:08:34):
a little bit, and it was fun relating to our
similar college offense to this offense, and it was cool
to kind of be in the room and have somebody
to bounced off ideas or hey, you remember doing this
in college and and stuff like that, so you'll pull
up for Joe, and you know, I know, probably you
never know what to play him again or see him
down the road.

Speaker 4 (01:08:50):
So thank you. Go back.

Speaker 1 (01:08:56):
And now great moments in.

Speaker 2 (01:09:01):
History.

Speaker 11 (01:09:02):
All you have to do is say the following four
words in quick succession whale oil, beef hooked, well.

Speaker 7 (01:09:08):
Or.

Speaker 3 (01:09:11):
Yeah, saying in quick succession, will be ft?

Speaker 4 (01:09:15):
Oh, well, well we'll all be will all be ft hooked?

Speaker 1 (01:09:21):
Whale oil.

Speaker 4 (01:09:22):
He's trying to get you to say, will all be
f oh?

Speaker 3 (01:09:25):
We we will all be ft hooked?

Speaker 4 (01:09:29):
How does hook become f all be hooked?

Speaker 1 (01:09:31):
Hooked?

Speaker 3 (01:09:33):
I get it?

Speaker 4 (01:09:33):
All beef?

Speaker 14 (01:09:35):
Thank you?

Speaker 4 (01:09:37):
Oh I get it. I thought it'll all be f.
I thought it was b Now I know it's beef.

Speaker 3 (01:09:44):
And then you used to with h I apologize him.

Speaker 1 (01:09:48):
Yeah, I get it.

Speaker 4 (01:09:49):
I get it. No, because I was with him, I
was with Fred, I didn't know what you were talking
about him.

Speaker 5 (01:09:52):
Well, beef hooked.

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Speaker 11 (01:10:30):
Of the New England Patriots. They write tough copy, they
really do. I say tough tough copy. Tough copy.

Speaker 3 (01:10:37):
Clearly, do not read the copy aloud as they just words.

Speaker 4 (01:10:44):
Somehow, you don't seem to get as angry as Eric
used to in virtually every one of those great moments
in PU history. Oh yeah, the anger that comes out
right away. He's trying to get you to say right
and me and Fredick just said, I don't get it's
not a good thing. I missed it. Yeah, okay, I

(01:11:05):
see what you're saying, but I missed it. I apologize.

Speaker 2 (01:11:08):
Well, whenever it came to you know, alliteration or diction
or anything like that, you know, there was no one
in the room better than the great Eric Scalamino.

Speaker 4 (01:11:19):
The angry Eric's angry Eric.

Speaker 5 (01:11:21):
There was nothing is going to happen right.

Speaker 2 (01:11:27):
Some time, he stormed out and I had to go
go retrieve him, bring him back in.

Speaker 12 (01:11:33):
Was that only once or didn't happen a couple of times?

Speaker 2 (01:11:35):
Well, he threatened to leave many times, but he actually
only left once.

Speaker 5 (01:11:40):
Yeah, Yeah, he definitely threaten after you threw the witch
you MC call it at him, like came out of
your office.

Speaker 3 (01:11:49):
Threw it at him.

Speaker 2 (01:11:53):
Yeah, but he would get very very impatient with me.
I'm just trying to hook him up with a girl.
Nothing is gonna have this platform, you know, and here
you are. It's better than any dating app. You're like,
you know, make sure that people know that you're open
for business.

Speaker 4 (01:12:13):
Right all.

Speaker 5 (01:12:14):
I mean yes, Like I gotta be honest. So like
I just I thought Eric was a really funny, really
good guy. And that's like there's got to be a
wonderful nice woman out there for him. Like I just
I never quite got it. I thought Eric was hilarious.
I mean, he's one of the funniest people I've known.
I mean, his impressions were legendary.

Speaker 2 (01:12:32):
Think about Eric, is he wants to be in that
mentor mentee relationship. He wants to mentor somebody.

Speaker 5 (01:12:38):
He looked at like a twenty four years old.

Speaker 19 (01:12:40):
That's what I'm looking for.

Speaker 2 (01:12:43):
He wants to bestow his knowledge that nothing, nothing made
me know that I was right then, prior to you,
two generations before you are lifestyle writer. She came in
and she was a she was a ball of fire,
like you know, she didn't back down to anyone, and

(01:13:04):
she was every bit of a traveler and a foodie
that Eric thought. You know, so you know, Eric al
was nervous, like how to pronounce different countries and different cities.
So I'm at Tavolinos and they had the outdoor area,
so I'm sitting on one end and it wasn't crowded,
and I see the two of them and they went,
they had a lunch date.

Speaker 4 (01:13:24):
So I'm over. I'm over.

Speaker 2 (01:13:26):
Yes, I'm just listening because I'm by myself, and all
of a sudden, at all there lunch erupts in this
debate about how a certain city was pronounced perfect, and
I'm like, this is you can't perfect, like you can't
make it up. And I said, moops, He'll never They'll
never last because he wants somebody that will accept everything

(01:13:47):
you're saying, and she wasn't going to accept.

Speaker 4 (01:13:49):
Yeah, So it just I think the hard.

Speaker 5 (01:13:51):
Thing I realized too, is like, as I get older,
I realized it must be really hard to find somebody
as you get older and you kind of get set
in your ways, and I'm like, int to the point now,
I'm like, I like what I like. I don't need
to like do all this different stuff. And you know,
you're really trying to thread the needle. Whereas when you're
in your twenties, you're still a little bit malleable. You're
not exactly sure everything you like or.

Speaker 4 (01:14:08):
Don't like malleable.

Speaker 5 (01:14:09):
It's going, right, I gotta get death, and we haven't
gotten deathing yet.

Speaker 2 (01:14:12):
We will still ready to be molded malleable. But I
think that we should never stop wanting to learn. No,
I agree, that's the wire man who knows.

Speaker 4 (01:14:23):
That's why.

Speaker 2 (01:14:24):
That's why Eric who knows everything.

Speaker 4 (01:14:26):
That's why Eric was never bored any day in his life,
and his life couldn't.

Speaker 5 (01:14:30):
Even telling lies you you are you are an habitual liar, not.

Speaker 4 (01:14:35):
An habitual liar and habitual right, well, I just habitual.

Speaker 5 (01:14:40):
Like if I had to go back into the market again,
like I would be like, Look, I don't I don't
stay like nine. I don't starty to be at nine.

Speaker 4 (01:14:46):
Thirty like oatmeal every morning. You know you listen, Are
you suddenly on the market?

Speaker 7 (01:14:50):
No?

Speaker 4 (01:14:51):
Absolutely, you better not. You better not do anything like that.

Speaker 12 (01:14:54):
It's hard for like and I imagine I'm just it's
harder for a woman at that age.

Speaker 5 (01:14:59):
Well, sure, I mean you've got I mean, you know,
Perry menopo.

Speaker 2 (01:15:02):
You're just looking for some of the palace is on
the toe.

Speaker 4 (01:15:08):
Another show. Just not speak for the rest of the
men on the p U.

Speaker 3 (01:15:12):
This conversation is happening over there.

Speaker 4 (01:15:15):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:15:17):
You still like the sex?

Speaker 5 (01:15:21):
You're not going to say it's good.

Speaker 12 (01:15:27):
Shows.

Speaker 3 (01:15:28):
I don't even know what to say.

Speaker 4 (01:15:30):
You can say, yes, I do so, Drake may huh.

Speaker 2 (01:15:34):
All right, let's let's get back to the hotline. We'll
go to Patty and agawam made five five past five hundred.
What's up Patty?

Speaker 4 (01:15:40):
Save us?

Speaker 8 (01:15:42):
Hey, lady and gentlemen, what's going on today? Pay question
and a kind of a way too early hot take
for the NFL.

Speaker 14 (01:15:51):
Be thick with.

Speaker 8 (01:15:52):
With Noel on the board, they went with Williams because
they want to probably possibly have a more vertical attack
this year, and he's probably better to the death for that.
Other the Knoll and my hot take is Paul, I'm
kind of with you.

Speaker 14 (01:16:06):
I think bull Nick's low key thinks, and I.

Speaker 8 (01:16:09):
Think the hot take is Sean Pagan is probably going
to be on the hot Become twenty twenty five.

Speaker 5 (01:16:14):
Wow, that's a great I like it.

Speaker 4 (01:16:18):
It's a very hot take, but I don't necessarily agree.

Speaker 5 (01:16:20):
I don't know I necessarily agree with it either, but
I'm interested.

Speaker 3 (01:16:23):
Yeah, Bonicks had a fall from Grace mac Jones style.
I don't think I would be totally surprised now. I
don't think it's going to happen. I wouldn't predict that,
but as a bold hot take, I'm not totally.

Speaker 4 (01:16:35):
Maybe just being stubborn with this, I felt like bon
Nicks was a lot better than rookie year mac Jones.
Oh yeah, I would.

Speaker 5 (01:16:42):
Agree with that for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:16:43):
I think they have similar I think you Bix more athletic.
I think he's a better runner for sure. But in
terms of they're throwing styles and you know where they
win and how they win from the pocket, I think
they they're similar in terms.

Speaker 4 (01:16:56):
Of I think his ability to get out of the
pocket is something mac Jones could agreed agreed.

Speaker 3 (01:17:01):
Which might allow him to continue the success.

Speaker 4 (01:17:03):
Yeah, and I don't. I mean Patty's right in that
I am not a huge Bonicks believer. I think that
he was put in a good situation for him. I
think Sean Payton is a good quarterback, friendly coach in
the system obviously has helped him that I all agree with.
But I think that Bonnicks showed more ability and more
playmaking than mac Jones ever did.

Speaker 5 (01:17:22):
I think he's got more off the field intangible kind
of leadership stuff too. That just seems like guys want
to follow Bonnicks. I know there's that shot of him
psycho like you'll getting in some player's face, I think
from the Raiders, Like I don't know, he just seems
to have that.

Speaker 4 (01:17:36):
It will be interesting to see here too, though, you know,
they make it jet to get a book on him
and make some adjustments.

Speaker 2 (01:17:43):
Randy's in Brockton, Hey Randy, and hey, how's it going?

Speaker 19 (01:17:50):
Funny thing? By the way, the last time I called
the sports radio show wasn't you guys? But I also
followed Patty for magawom.

Speaker 2 (01:17:56):
Is that right? You guys are on the same schedule, right, Wait,
you guys are shows they.

Speaker 4 (01:18:05):
You should know about that based on your previous comments.

Speaker 14 (01:18:11):
So anyway, I'm.

Speaker 19 (01:18:12):
Very excited about how the draft went for New England overall.
I think even the reported leaks in Miami, I think
that worked out better for.

Speaker 20 (01:18:19):
Us in the long run, because maybe we wouldn't have
been in the market for Wilson later on, and I
thought he was probably our best pick.

Speaker 19 (01:18:27):
I think like the center position is underrated as maybe
the second. It's not the first most important spot on
the line, where it's kind of like the anchor of
the line, and I think.

Speaker 20 (01:18:39):
Like Kevin Will Campbell are going to be able to
be lynchpin pieces for a long time become I think
he could potentially challenge Brad Berry immediately, but I hope
it seems like, yeah, it would.

Speaker 19 (01:18:52):
Be great, right.

Speaker 20 (01:18:53):
I mean, if you I was seeing the background of
the kid, it's like, yeah, he's got.

Speaker 19 (01:18:57):
One year experience, but before that he was on the
like essentially scout team for Georgia, growing up against.

Speaker 20 (01:19:03):
Like Jalen Carter and guys like that every day in practice.
So I think he's he's more prepared than his experience
might show.

Speaker 14 (01:19:13):
But I've been seeing a.

Speaker 19 (01:19:14):
Lot of early roster projections from.

Speaker 14 (01:19:17):
Like folks to cover the past over the.

Speaker 20 (01:19:19):
Past few days, and it looks to me like maybe
twenty seven twenty eight players on the fifty three man
final roster could be new. And I'm wondering if you
guys can remember seeing any kind of massive roster turnever
from one year to the next beat. I can't remember
it on the Patriots, but on any other team. And

(01:19:42):
I was also curious. I saw the details of Laye
Laris's contract that kind of looked like they think he
might make the roster.

Speaker 18 (01:19:52):
A do you think that he pushes gives him down
the depth chart or even entirely off the roster and
beads you see do you know any other contract details
from some of the other UDFA specifically Dipper lamp purchase
or that might give us an indication of the teams
believe in their ability to make the roster.

Speaker 2 (01:20:12):
Okay, thanks Randy. I mean when you look at those contracts,
a lot of it it's based on how many other
teams were asking to sign them as well. Sometimes a
UDFA can get more than a seventh round pick.

Speaker 5 (01:20:26):
Yeah, you know, gets a pick where they want to go.

Speaker 4 (01:20:28):
That definitely happens. I would just caution never look at
an UDFA contract as if to say he will he
has a better shot or a worse shot. Right, It's
never difference making money in terms of whether or not
we're going to keep a player.

Speaker 2 (01:20:42):
Yeah, that's for but it does sometimes talk to the demand.

Speaker 4 (01:20:46):
Now the twenty No, No, that's absolutely fact. Yeah, you know,
and there's a lot of factors that go into why
one guy got more guaranteed money to sign. And Fred's right, like,
sometimes they know that there's competition for different guys. I
would just say that, you know, if someone's getting like,
you know, hundreds of thousands of dollars in the signing bonus,

(01:21:06):
that's not going to prohibit him from getting cut. If
he doesn't do anything in training camp, like, that's not
an indication that that guy has got an inside track
for a roster spot. If he goes out and he performs,
that's different. But no team is going to say, well, jeez,
we gave him three hundred grand. You can't cut them.
Like I've seen guys get cut over millions, let alone

(01:21:27):
hundreds of thousands.

Speaker 2 (01:21:28):
Of dollars Maury from Austria, right say, he says from Wikipedia,
this is about the Hernanas Tbow discussion. The Patriots signed
t Bow on June tenth, twenty thirteen, the day before
the team's mandatory mini camp. On June twenty six, twenty thirteen,
so this is sixteen days later, Hernanuz was charged with
first degree murder. Wow, so maybe the previous caller is

(01:21:52):
onto something.

Speaker 4 (01:21:53):
Maybe so maybe tebo failed too late obviously. Yeah, no,
I mean, obviously this stuff already happened. I was just
being snarky, But I do think that there's a possibility.

Speaker 5 (01:22:07):
It makes more sense than that.

Speaker 4 (01:22:08):
They felt that would be a you know, a stabilizing factor.
If you go back and now you look at all
the Hernandez docks that have come out, you know now
how much the team was concerned. You know, Hernandez had
gone to Belichick as an example, looking to get out
of town, so they knew there was reason to do
something like that. If in fact that had had something

(01:22:30):
to do with it would make some sense to me.

Speaker 5 (01:22:31):
Yeah, like I just said, it makes more sense than
thinking he's going to play quarterback here.

Speaker 4 (01:22:36):
Yeah. Yeah, the overhaul of the roster was another part
of that call. Yeah, I mean this is this is
going to be a lot. But I mean, yeah, two
thousands to two thousand and one, they brought in twenty
something free agents. This is not quite that many free agents,
but with you know, you put the draft picks in
and stuff, there's going to be an overhaul. I think

(01:22:57):
teams that rebuild do this. Yeah. I mean I don't
have this specific big numbers to say twenty whatever this
year is more than anybody else. Maybe that might be
the absolute most, but I think you see guys come
in first year coaches with a team that needs a
heavy rebuilds, they just rip it down to the studs
and start over again. I think that happens a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:23:17):
I mean Washington just did this last year, and I
think that's sort of the model. I mean, we go
back to twenty you know, two thousand and one, because
you guys were here for that, but not every you know,
the national media doesn't go back that far like Washington
right now is being held up as like that's how
you do the one year rebuild. Right like that, you
go out, you sign ten to twelve NFL starters in

(01:23:41):
free agency, not necessarily stars, but just guys that can
plug holes and they can start at the NFL level.
You draft a young quarterback and then you hope that
it all comes together.

Speaker 5 (01:23:49):
You guys think that they're going to follow the regression
to the means second year free agency bump theory that
we've talked about a lot here.

Speaker 4 (01:23:57):
So I don't know, because they didn't sign a lot
of big likes, right, you know, it was like Bobby
Wagner and you know, Zach Ertz, Like there wasn't like
five years, one hundred and twenty million to bring in
the highest priced guy on the market. So maybe it
won't be as much about that they've done a lot
this year. For me, it's all about Jayden Daniels. Like

(01:24:18):
I think that you can have a magical rebuild and
we can talk all about the story two thousand and
one free agent class, and they had a lot of
good play, you know, Mike Compton and Mike Rabel, Larry
Iso and all those guys that came in and they
performed right away and they helped the team. They improved
the team. They were rowing two when Tom Brady took over.

(01:24:41):
You know, So it comes down to if Drake May
does what we we all think he can do, the
Patriots will be a lot better. But if he doesn't
and you still have your questions Mike about turnovers and clutch,
we're probably going to be sitting there saying it was
still kind of you know, mid at Paul.

Speaker 2 (01:25:01):
In New Jersey writes in I.

Speaker 12 (01:25:06):
I could tell you were waiting.

Speaker 10 (01:25:07):
For some.

Speaker 4 (01:25:10):
Affirmation. That's all here, It's all I'm looking for. Well, Paul, yes,
you used to correct You're yes.

Speaker 2 (01:25:18):
Paul in New Jersey. A live scout at Rutgers home games,
live scouts, Live scouts. I was able to watch Trevion
Henderson last year when Ohio State played Rutgers. I expected
to be blown away by Marvin Harrison. I think they
He actually ended up with three touchdowns, but Henderson went
for over two hundred yards. It was really He really
stole the show. Even when they were trying to kill

(01:25:40):
the clock, he was gaining eight plus yards per rush.
Before that game, Rutgers was a top ten defense in
college football. So there you go.

Speaker 4 (01:25:49):
A live scout, live scouting from the mouth of Babes
Yep Boots on the ground says, I love that.

Speaker 3 (01:25:56):
To get in the trenches poly. You know, it can
always be from me.

Speaker 4 (01:26:00):
I'm a scale guy outside.

Speaker 3 (01:26:02):
I gotta talk to the coaches. You gotta go on
the sideline pre game. How does he warm up? What's
his body that ever appeal to you?

Speaker 15 (01:26:08):
Like?

Speaker 5 (01:26:09):
I mean, just gonna have the world like going to
different college stadiums every week.

Speaker 4 (01:26:12):
Why are you bringing that up now? No?

Speaker 5 (01:26:16):
Well, I don't know if that scratches the itch. Like
there's also just the perspective. I want to watch NFL
game film and break down off of you know what
I mean. But there's a whole different style of I'm
just spending my whole fall on the road, of course,
but you're just watching a lot of college I mean
it's I hear all the time Jordan Reid talking about
what his fall is like going to all these you know,
it's just on the road game.

Speaker 2 (01:26:36):
Ten wouldn't be best so you can go to Hawaii.

Speaker 4 (01:26:38):
Yeah, I'm not sure if it still existed.

Speaker 3 (01:26:40):
I'm not so sure how Jess would feel about that life.
But yeah, no, I don't think it's that would be
a tough sell, I would say, because I there. You know,
we go on the road to road games, but they're
on the road twenty four seven. Like, you know, they're
on the road six days a week. It's definitely a
different animal, but it's very it's very uh, it's appealing
in a lot of ways. In some ways. You know,

(01:27:01):
it's kind of like any job, like you you have
to polish the silverware, and you know, some of it
is just kind of filling out biographical information and you know, owls,
this guy, hiet weight speed, you know, like that kind
of stuff. And you know it's it's not as like
I we get to just do the fun part, which

(01:27:22):
is just let's just watch this guy and see if
we like him, right, you know, like they have to
do the actual Like.

Speaker 5 (01:27:26):
I think if I was given the choice, if they said,
all right, dude, you're going to be a scout, pro
scouting door or college scouting door, I'll probably stick in
the pro scouting. I just I enjoy the NFL game more.
It's less chaotic. It feels like it's easier to find themes,
whereas it feels like the wild wild West in college football,
where it's big play, turnover, penalty, big play, those kind
of things. Hard. It's a really hard job.

Speaker 2 (01:27:48):
I think, Yeah, speaking friends and I'm hoping to start
a semantic debate, perhaps one that even blossoms into a
Fred Paul knockdown dragout of focus.

Speaker 4 (01:27:57):
We can do this.

Speaker 2 (01:27:58):
The term of concern here is rebuild. How far are
we into a rebuild? Have there been multiple rebuilds since
Brady left? Or is it all one rebuild? In retrospect,
the multiple regime changes make it seem like multiple from
build with Brady to Build without Brady, to Mayo to Vrabel,
And yet it also seems like one big rebuild because

(01:28:19):
it's on the heels of one gigantic dynasty, though there's
also the semantics of whether it was one or several dynasties.
So I don't really like the term.

Speaker 5 (01:28:30):
Because it just implies that you will rebuild it like
there's no assurance that you're.

Speaker 2 (01:28:35):
Ever going.

Speaker 12 (01:28:37):
Philosophical right now, I don't even know that you act.

Speaker 5 (01:28:39):
Like And of course, now when we get to year
six of the rebuild will be flawless and we'll have
everything we need. Like it's just every year is its
own thing. You look at new coaches like new Coaches
was last year rebuild. They kept a lot of the
same players. This year feels a lot different. A lot
of different players, but it's still every year you're trying
to rebuild the team every year.

Speaker 2 (01:28:57):
I think, like I understand, I think that this year
marks a rebuild. You know, you have the quarterbacks, so
that's that's a big part of any rebuild. But they
needed to build around him, right, and kind of rebuild
around him, and what they've done on defense. I mean,
isn't that kind of like a rebuild too?

Speaker 5 (01:29:18):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:29:18):
I think that you can make an argument that post Brady, Okay,
they tried to rebuild once with the twenty one free
agent class, then they decided that didn't work. Bill got fired,
Mayo came in. This is the second attempt to rebuild.
I would say this is year two of the second

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attempt to rebuild post Brady.

Speaker 3 (01:29:41):
Yeah, that's how I would look at I think Bill
was given the opportunity to rebuild post Brady and failed,
So that ends that attempt of a rebuild. And then
last year they started, they drafted Drake may and they
started and again, and obviously there's a coaching change, But
to me, this is still the same attempt getting the
roster up and running just toptfully.

Speaker 5 (01:30:03):
But can you use the term rebuild for a team
that hasn't been successful in the last ten years. They
are or they've just been.

Speaker 4 (01:30:10):
But they've been trying to rebuild. I would say the
Jets have had many iterations of a rebuild. Like this
isn't the same as Zach Wilson.

Speaker 5 (01:30:16):
They never had the building, you know what I mean,
Like there was never a building there, Paul, You can't
rebuild what doesn't exactly what ben the Jets have been
building since nineteen seventy one.

Speaker 12 (01:30:29):
Permits you got to redo all of that.

Speaker 2 (01:30:32):
Or you know, lived in a town where there's that
one building on a commercial lot that always seems to
like get halfway done and it stops, you know, because
they ran out of money or the you know, the
backer went out of business or whatever, and it just
never seems to get built. And then finally somebody comes
in and finish and gets rid of all the toxic

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stuff that was supposed to be taken out, you know,
like they do the hard work and they get it done.
And that's kind of like what a lot of teams
go through, including us.

Speaker 3 (01:31:03):
I kind of feel like we're you know, when you're
on a plane and you're taking off and it feels
like you should have already lifted off the ground, but
you still haven't, and you're kind of like, wait, it's
like we've been we've been going a long way here
and you're kind of like lifting but you're not all
the way, and like we're still trying to get that
last kick to get us off the ground. That's happening,
and hopefully and hopefully no comment and hopefully Rabels is

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like the last you know, it is the one that
that puts the air under the wings and is the
last kick. But the wings right now, I feel like
we've been on that runway for like five years, so like,
hopefully this is what we need.

Speaker 5 (01:31:41):
A good thing. We're not a logan would be in
the ocean now.

Speaker 7 (01:31:43):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:31:43):
It's funny, you know in the summer that they signed
Cam Newton, Yeah, that was not a rebuild. That was
just trying to keep it going.

Speaker 7 (01:31:53):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:31:53):
That was like, let's see if we can even.

Speaker 12 (01:31:56):
That free age in class felt like a lot of
like if you had the more viable quarterback, felt like
win now guys as opposed to start from scratch, so
it was like almost we were patching holes.

Speaker 5 (01:32:06):
Yea.

Speaker 3 (01:32:06):
That whole those two seasons, just like the two thousand
year or twenty twenty year. I just gold of like
throw out.

Speaker 4 (01:32:14):
That, really, yeah, that's sort of the after MA. And
then I think they started to try to rebuild in
twenty one with it reshaping the roster, and they gave
that a couple of years. It didn't work, so they said, okay,
we're still rebuilding. This is the second attempt to rebuild
post Brady, in my opinion, and I think that you
guys are right, Like you bring in a quarterback, so

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this is now the Drake may or so much like
you mentioned the Jets, I think that they they tried
to rebuild with Sam Darnold and then decided, well, that's
not working. We're gonna have to go another direction. We're
going to go Zach Wilson. Okay, that's not working. We
got to go in another direction. This is like at
least the third just in that time for it.

Speaker 2 (01:32:53):
Let's see, here's where maybe we'll get into an argument.
I think when you have pieces and you're trying to
find that quarterback, that's not rebuilding. That's the quarterback search,
the quarterback cast or carousel.

Speaker 3 (01:33:07):
You haven't even let the gate yet, you know, but
like you've got first.

Speaker 2 (01:33:10):
Round picks on your defensive line and in your in
your backfield.

Speaker 4 (01:33:13):
That's why I say this, this is a different version
for the Jets. Like they have some talent, but it's
not necessarily but they just but they of course they're rebuilding.

Speaker 2 (01:33:23):
No, they're just trying to find a quarterback.

Speaker 4 (01:33:25):
No, they have to find wins. Okay, like they can't win.

Speaker 2 (01:33:29):
I know that's true, But I'm talking about in terms
of personnel. They're not rebuilding their team because they've got talent.
They just need a quarterback.

Speaker 4 (01:33:37):
But you don't think they added like Garrett Wilson. So
you did it speak We found every team adds people
every year, but those are the guys that they're building
with the three. To me, it starts with those three
first round picks like four years ago. Okay, Sauce Garrett
Wilson and Johnson.

Speaker 11 (01:33:53):
Yeah right, Like every year we go into it and say,
you know what if that quarterback a whether it's Aaron
Rodgers or whoever, as well, they've got the talent.

Speaker 2 (01:34:02):
They've got the talent to compete.

Speaker 4 (01:34:03):
I know, but they just got the talent, but they
just had it a few years now. This is this
will be the fourth right, they've had it for three years.
This is again they're in a rebuild.

Speaker 2 (01:34:14):
Okay, all right.

Speaker 4 (01:34:15):
I think the Patriots are in year two of a rebuild.
The Jets are in year four of a rebuild. I think, like,
I don't think it's that complicated.

Speaker 11 (01:34:20):
My point is the Jets have been built. They just
don't have a quarterback and maybe not so he.

Speaker 3 (01:34:25):
Was right, he got us Jets are in year one
because it's a totally new regime, like they have a new.

Speaker 4 (01:34:31):
Generally, But the Patriots are in a new regime too.
But I don't think this is a different.

Speaker 2 (01:34:36):
But Elliott's still here, so like but no, but if
Mike Rabel was here, he would say, no, this is
year one. I don't care what happened last year.

Speaker 3 (01:34:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:34:44):
No, this is now my team, and I'm building it
the way I want.

Speaker 3 (01:34:48):
That's apparent.

Speaker 5 (01:34:49):
I think the Jets are in year fifty five of
a rebuild.

Speaker 2 (01:34:51):
It's you can make that case.

Speaker 5 (01:34:54):
Are many different pairs of it.

Speaker 12 (01:34:57):
Going back to like friend's analogy to the Jets are
like it's a it's a business or it's a building
where no business survives over and over again, everything that
comes and fails. They last like a year whereas we like,
we're building a house, but we just had to get
a new contractor we're.

Speaker 3 (01:35:13):
Still going to try it, but somebody was built.

Speaker 12 (01:35:17):
But now we had a mansion in the nineties, we're
updating it and we had to get a new contractor.

Speaker 2 (01:35:25):
Okay, good good space, Johnny and Matt Town. I haven't
been able to write in for a while to do
a family health situation. Almost three months ago, my brother
Carlos or Charlie, was found unresponsive by his caretaker at
his home. After a battle trying to fight off what
ended up being an incurable infection. We lost him on
April thirteenth. I just wanted to take this time to

(01:35:45):
thank you guys for pu the Draft Show and all
the content you produce. It's helped me get through one
of the most difficult times of my life. If you
all have siblings, please let them know you love them today.
At some point when my brother passed away, he was
covered by a new England Patriots blanket, the team we
maintain our fandom for even after moving to Wisconsin from Maine.

(01:36:06):
He'll definitely be enjoying front row seats to watch the
Patriots every Sunday. From the other side. Thank you. Every
once in a while we hear stories like that, how
we give some entertainment to people who are going through
tough things, and that makes me feel good. Snry for loss,

(01:36:28):
let's see. Nate writes in says, I've been making content
on the Patriots. I mostly focus on Instagram as my
platform for sharing. I'm trying to get on podcast. This
whole journey is exciting. I'm seventeen years old and this
is definitely something I wanted to get into. I just
want to say thank you for being inspiring and showing
why it's worth to chase your dreams. I think he's

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talking to YouTube.

Speaker 4 (01:36:51):
Yeah yeah, I was maybe you two. I was going
to give you the credit. Fred No, but solding and
shaping young minds everywhere.

Speaker 2 (01:36:58):
Yeah, bad way.

Speaker 5 (01:37:00):
Just yeah, stick with it, find your niche. That's what
try to tell everybody, you know, carve out a little way.
Stupid hoodie database was a way to, you know, make.

Speaker 4 (01:37:08):
My blog, just have something, to try to come up
with something more relevantly.

Speaker 5 (01:37:12):
Yeah yeah right, but it's as Claire's doing. Like, give
Claire props. She continues to blast out her podcast. You know, hello,
you love it. And you got the passion for I mean,
it never felt like work to me. It was always
just like my passionate hobby. And you know, if it
doesn't feel like where you, I hope you can get
the opportunity to work in a job.

Speaker 3 (01:37:27):
Take it till you make it, just you know, look
at people that that you like their work and try
to emulate it. Try to take things from it, you know,
and just try to do it how they do it.
Like that's the best advice you can get. I mean,
the niche advice is really good too, you know. I
rag on Barth a lot, but like he found a

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niche with the draft, he found a niche with specialists,
which I like to make fun of him for. But
yesterday on Catch twenty two, I don't think anybody knew
more about the long snapper than Alex Bark. Now you
might think that that's irrelevant, but people come to our
show to listen to Alex talk about kickers and long snappers.
When they draft kickers and long snappers. It's a niche
that he, you know, has cornered.

Speaker 5 (01:38:08):
So that's on those long snaps we got we got talking.

Speaker 3 (01:38:12):
He was we had it all we had, we had
the time, you know, the time from the snap to
the hole to the kick, the operation time, and you
know how the ashby is more of like a straight line,
you know, get out and make tackles type of long
you know, aggressive long snapper blocking longnid.

Speaker 5 (01:38:30):
That was one of my favorite stories from uh from
Draft Night, which a little bit behind the scenes was
you know, we obviously have a whole system and the
player gets selected and then everybody's got their jobs to do,
and UH, wonderful Casey. Her job is to find highlights
of players, and so we draft the long snapper and
then I see Casey like, don't have highlights looking for them,
and I just like, what do you do for long snap?

Speaker 2 (01:38:50):
Lights?

Speaker 3 (01:38:51):
Like he made some tackles, so God bless Casey.

Speaker 5 (01:38:53):
She found him and I was like fire emoji, but
she literally, I mean, I'm like, are they gonna just
show the snaps or do you show the punt too, like.

Speaker 2 (01:38:59):
You know, if you find out who the punch was.

Speaker 3 (01:39:02):
And that's what she did originally, Like Marcus Bryant, she
was taking membu highlights. Didn't move the arrow over. She
called me over and she's like, can you just double
check that this is I highlighted the right guy, but
that actually made a tackle against Alabama, Like he's got

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some tackles on his tape.

Speaker 11 (01:39:24):
Yeah, somebody out Yeah, Doctor Sam writes in says, I'm
not trying to hate on Paul and his buddies Volger
and Maz, but my god, they are negative.

Speaker 2 (01:39:35):
It makes me wonder how someone can be that negative.

Speaker 4 (01:39:38):
Paul.

Speaker 2 (01:39:38):
Is it a stick or do they truly believe this?

Speaker 4 (01:39:41):
I think it's probably like anything else, it's a combination
of both. Yeah, I think they play into it. I
think Mike plays into it a little bit, knowing that
it's gonna resonate. But I mean, at the same time
I heard I didn't hear most of this stuff early
in the week. I did hear a lot yesterday, and
they just kept coming up with all of the comments

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from last year's draft and how over the top positive
every single comment was. So it's not like they just
make it up. Now. Did they lean into it and
accentuate it for stick YEP. I think they do, And
I think they enjoy it. They know it's going to resonate,
they know it's going to rankle the Feathers Show. Yeah,
it's like they're trying to entertain.

Speaker 3 (01:40:21):
But like what I would say, people were high on
that draft last year, but like not like this well
and not like the people sit in here like I.

Speaker 4 (01:40:28):
Mean, you can I can have them read it to you.
I can tell I can show you the a pluses
for Javon Baker from everyone they read. This is what
I mean, like people just I just revisioned him. He
read like ten different guys. Yeah, from who though, I mean,
you can find them all the national guys.

Speaker 2 (01:40:46):
They thought this draft was as good as I mean.

Speaker 4 (01:40:48):
No, last year they were overwhelmingly positive about the picks,
especially Javon Baker.

Speaker 3 (01:40:53):
But saying that you thought that.

Speaker 4 (01:40:56):
Fred An A is an A. I don't know. Did
they like this one better than that one? I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:41:01):
I think the average for last year was like C
plus P but it.

Speaker 4 (01:41:04):
Wasn't and they have the no from what I saw,
but they I'm just telling you them.

Speaker 2 (01:41:09):
I don't care, Okay, Like maybe I'm wrong, I just
don't remember. I can just tell you that people being
as excited as this last year.

Speaker 4 (01:41:17):
Everybody was telling me that Jalen Polk was going to
fit right in as a starter and be like an
unbelievably productive player and be better than would you have
an upgraded version of Jacoby Myers is what people were
saying after the draft last year. Okay, okay, So I
don't know is that better or worse than what people
were saying about kyowam saying?

Speaker 2 (01:41:37):
I don't wrong, I just don't remember the enthusiasm people
thought it was an okay.

Speaker 4 (01:41:42):
Right, I feel like the but you know, I feel
like the enthusiasm right now is at a very high
level for this draft. Yeah, I'm just going to speak
to that, no doubt present people.

Speaker 2 (01:41:52):
Some people said it was the best draft in the NFL.

Speaker 4 (01:41:55):
This I bumped into I heard that. I bumped into
Evan I mean Wolf leaving the building the other day.
I just said to him, you know, like, you know,
made small talk about that, and I said, hey, just
to let you know, when we're doing our shows, there's
a lot of excitement, there's a lot of optimism. It

(01:42:15):
really felt good about what what happened over the weekend
and this just and he goes, no, we do too,
and we're hoping that it pans out. But like I
believe that. I didn't just say that because I ran
into the general manager. I said that because That's what
my interaction was Thursday, Friday and Saturday. Well, I'll tell
you what yesterday one and what did I say?

Speaker 3 (01:42:39):
Immediately?

Speaker 4 (01:42:40):
I did the same thing to Elliott wall.

Speaker 3 (01:42:41):
I know, I know, but I think with the Javon
Baker because it's a fair point. I like the Javon
Baker pick too, but I just liked the pick where
they got him, Like I just liked the upside of
a fourth round pick, Like I saw a guy that
had the talent of probably like a second round pick, right,
And I think, but the difference is is like we're
just evaluating the draft in the moment, knowing what we

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knew pre draft.

Speaker 4 (01:43:02):
Correct.

Speaker 3 (01:43:03):
No one is sitting there saying that these guys are
all going to go on to be Hall of Famers.
It's just for the information that you had going into
the draft. How do you feel about the guys that
they picked? I mean, Duce and I with Jalen Polk,
we were not you were not as high as everybody
or not.

Speaker 4 (01:43:16):
I've defended both of you. I've defended both of you
on that fact many times. But the bottom line is this,
I hear you. So when I agree with Fred, the
enthusiasm in The excitement right now is very high, I
think with Mike and Tony, and I'm not trying to
defend them because they are negative and they do a

(01:43:36):
lot of this stuff knowing that it's going to bother people,
and they know what resonates and all that, So I'm
not defending them. They're big boys, they can defend themselves.
But what they're trying to point out is not that
this draft stinks, not that this draft isn't as good
as you think it is. Right, They're just telling you
to have some caution and wait to see because a
lot of the stuff people are saying right now is

(01:43:58):
not all that different than what people was saying last
year in the year before, and they went back and
got the information to back it up. I like you
had you had something about the Dane Brugler on catch
twenty two who said you felt like this was the
best draft in football this year. Yeah, I don't think

(01:44:19):
anyone said that last year. Now, so there's even more
excitement about this draft, Yeah, without anybody playing it down.

Speaker 2 (01:44:26):
Yeah. I'm trying to think of a time, whether it
was our draft or someone else's, where someone said, boy,
this is a bad draft and it turned out to
be a great.

Speaker 12 (01:44:34):
Oh there was one. There was a there was a
clip circulating. I think it was like the twenty twelve
Seahawks draft. PFT commenter had a clip circulating where they
drafted Russell Wilson and like the whole legion of Bloom,
like legion of Boom, a bunch of those guys and
they got an F And this Bleacher Report writer was
just tearing the Seahawks to shreds talking about how they
drafted a quarterback that didn't fit their system at all,

(01:44:55):
and then they went and won a super Bowl like
a year two years later.

Speaker 2 (01:44:59):
Was he on an island or where there were a
lot of commentators.

Speaker 12 (01:45:02):
Well, I didn't go that far back to look at.

Speaker 4 (01:45:09):
I'll tell you one thing that I saw for this
because again, I think all of the reactions for this
draft of all, I haven't seen anything really even close
to negative. I think I saw one C something plus
B minus. Okay, that must be the one I'm talking about.
But I saw like NFL dot Com grades all the drafts.
Do you know the take a guess what the lowest
grade any team got? B minus? Like how can everybody

(01:45:35):
be good?

Speaker 2 (01:45:37):
Especially?

Speaker 4 (01:45:37):
That's what I said, right that's not occurred.

Speaker 3 (01:45:40):
So somebody on Twitter, his name is Renee Buckner. I
think it is around. He does a consensus of all
of the grades. Every year he puts out a tweet
of all of you know, the top the top draft
guys all in one. So this year the Patriots are
number one. They had the consensus best draft.

Speaker 4 (01:46:02):
And I don't find that surprising at all. Yeah, I
think that that was anecdotally, That's what I thought. Yeah,
last year they were twelve, so middle pretty high. It
is still pretty but still pretty.

Speaker 3 (01:46:13):
So they he does it.

Speaker 4 (01:46:15):
It's kind of cool.

Speaker 3 (01:46:15):
He averages a GPA out of like, you know, AA
plus P plus. So last year their GPA was three
point two. Yeah, three point two. This year was over
three six.

Speaker 4 (01:46:28):
So I'll say this to to Rip Felger in MATS
a little bit. I kind of defended them a little bit.
So twelve, okay, So what they do is they selectively
do because obviously there were people that thought three point
two it's not a bad grade. So there were people
that had a lot of nice things to say, that's
what they read. They didn't read the ones that brought

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it down to a three point two because there was
probably more people last year that didn't like the draft
than this year. But that doesn't work for their their
argument in the moment, so they leave that out. They
go with Felger facts. It's nothing that they didn't say
anything wrong. They attributed a positive comment to whoever said
it about Jay Von Baker. Yeah, but they left out

(01:47:10):
the part that maybe three other people didn't have as
nice things to say about Jalen Polk because that doesn't
fit their narrative at the time. That's what they do
a lot, and it just within context, and it goes
back to what we spoke about earlier in the show.

Speaker 5 (01:47:22):
Getting Drake May at three. Overall, for me colored the
whole draft. It was you're kind of like, okay, you
know at the time when they took Layden Robinson and
Kayden Wallace kind of like, eh, you know, there were
some questions about needing the left tackle. I agree with
the point on Polk, And it's like, because I really
did like Polk, Like I like, you guys paint me
out as being like depressed when they took him. I
just was mad at the spot, you know, like I

(01:47:43):
just felt like the second we needed a little more
dynamic energy, like Kyle Williams has That's why I was
more excited about him in the third round. But but
I just think Drake may kind of colored last year's
draft and the reaction to it of what you feel like,
you got the guy it's the hardest piece to get,
and you felt he didn't have those athletic limitations where
when they drafted Mac you were like, well, I just
think he can execute it and get ball distributor and

(01:48:04):
you know he's going to make the right play and
he's not going to throw stupid interceptions back across the
field three times like that kind of Oh, I think.

Speaker 4 (01:48:11):
I think that's I think that's fair.

Speaker 2 (01:48:12):
Paul, do you remember probably like we've you know, in
the thirty years I've been here, we've had drafts where people,
most of the people said that was a good draft.
But do you remember a draft where the consensus was
we had the best draft?

Speaker 4 (01:48:24):
I don't. Oh, yeah, I thought you were going to say,
do you remember a draft that we ever had that
people said wasn't a good one? And I can't. Yeah,
I can't think of a single one.

Speaker 2 (01:48:32):
Do you remember one where they said that was the
best draft?

Speaker 4 (01:48:36):
Not off the top of my head, but I would
assume that, yes.

Speaker 5 (01:48:39):
I would speculate twelve maybe got some of that just
with two first round picks.

Speaker 4 (01:48:43):
I would say that when when Belichick and listen, I'm
not trying to make fun of Bill because he was
on a heater for a while and when he was
in his heyday in like the mid odts, when it
was just ripping out pick after pick after pick, I'll
guarantee you they would consider to have the best draft
like in one of those years. But no, I don't.
I don't have that information.

Speaker 3 (01:49:01):
Yeah, I just think and this is a me thing
totally with with with your shows, Like it's hard for me,
as as someone that puts so much into the draft
to hear that, oh, I've never watched the guy play.
So if you want to read other people's like takes
on the picks and then do what we're talking about
with the grades and and regrade the graders and all,

(01:49:23):
that's totally fine. But don't give me a take on
the player. If you've never seen the players.

Speaker 4 (01:49:26):
I'm going to give you this too. You know that,
Mike and they don't. They take pride in the fact
that they don't know any anything about these guys.

Speaker 3 (01:49:35):
But they don't.

Speaker 2 (01:49:35):
They don't judge the player. They judge the people who
are judging the player.

Speaker 3 (01:49:38):
Correct, And that's what I said, which is totally correct.

Speaker 4 (01:49:42):
Sure, but like don't like then have a take on
the funniest the funniest thing about the whole thing is
in general terms, they don't really have any problems with
players either. It's all about how the media perceives the players.

Speaker 2 (01:49:53):
But they just don't like people being happy.

Speaker 4 (01:49:56):
As points point, they're talking yesterday that they're trying to
break down Kyle Williams sixty ninth pick, and Felger's saying, like,
what are you hoping to get that? Like everybody is
completely convinced this guy is going to be great when
history will tell you is probably maybe a thirty percent
chance that he hits, you know, based on where he's picked.

(01:50:16):
And they're going about all these different guys that are
drafted over the last three or four years in similar areas.
Did you hear this?

Speaker 2 (01:50:22):
No?

Speaker 5 (01:50:22):
No, but I can imagine what it say.

Speaker 4 (01:50:24):
So Felder's obviously on draft history, and he's doing all
the running Paula wide receivers, right, He's like, you know,
Mike Us, Alex Francisco Nathaniel Dell. You know, Evan Lazar,
they have no idea who Nathaniel Dell is. They don't
have a clue. Do you know who Nathaniel Dell is? No,
it's Tank Dell. Oh okay, so they're like, I never

(01:50:48):
heard this guy, so he stinks, right, And of course
you get like forty five minutes ahead. They go to
the email section, and this is what I'll say. To
Mike's credit them. He read four thousand males destroying him
for not knowing who Nathaniel Dell was, and he read
every one of them, ripping him a new one for it.
But the point is Evan's point, you should know at

(01:51:11):
least a little something about the game and other players
around the league. They talked about Josh Downs and they
gave and they gave his stats, and then Felger said,
and he did that with Anthony Richardson and Joe Flacco
throwing the ball, and Tony stops laughing. He goes, oh god,
you said that, because I was going to ask your
what team he was on. I'm sorry, you should know

(01:51:31):
what team Josh Downs is on. It's not I'm not
asking you to know what team the left guard is on.
I'm asking you to know a wide receiver who catches
seventy five balls a year, you should probably know who
that team, what that guy is.

Speaker 3 (01:51:44):
It's like if only they had somebody that works for
the station, who lives and dies by college football, that
could maybe like just give.

Speaker 2 (01:51:56):
More than his share of air time over the last
month they need with him in there, Bill and Vista, California.
Just scrolling through X and seeing highlights of Drake's presser. Again,
I've only read excerpts and have not heard it, But
is Drake giving sneaky rocky vibes from happy for Joe
to have a chance to be a backup to happy

(01:52:17):
to have a receiver who has made plays? It almost
seems like subtle shots that brings up the question when
did Deuce become Drake's mentor.

Speaker 4 (01:52:25):
Happy rocky vibes?

Speaker 2 (01:52:27):
Yeah, what are the rock?

Speaker 3 (01:52:28):
Pun would be my guess in the morning, I splash
it on.

Speaker 4 (01:52:33):
It makes me Smeal mainly, Smeal mainly can you read
that rock.

Speaker 2 (01:52:39):
Rock rock was there? Rocky took shots at people?

Speaker 3 (01:52:45):
I don't know, I mean he took literally like punch people.
Oh yeah, that's what he's talking about.

Speaker 4 (01:52:50):
Don't take no cheap shots in the Thunderlips Baby the
ultimate object of desire.

Speaker 2 (01:52:58):
David and Madrid. I'm super excited for the draftees and
the u U d f as. I got admit, I'm
not excited about the unif.

Speaker 4 (01:53:07):
I just loved, Like that's another example, and I think
with Felger.

Speaker 3 (01:53:10):
And it's a good udf A class though there are
a couple of guys.

Speaker 4 (01:53:15):
On that.

Speaker 2 (01:53:18):
Funny because we went from a draft that you know,
it wasn't really hugely talent related to now we've got
talent in the unif A class, the.

Speaker 3 (01:53:26):
Best draft, but the best udf A class as well.

Speaker 4 (01:53:28):
In fairness, everybody said there will be a lot of
good udf as because of the glut of players in
this draft. Okay, there's there were more players available because
of COVID in the five years, six years, seven years.
Like a lot of people predicted there would be some
good ud f as.

Speaker 3 (01:53:43):
I'm like, there's a lot of land Larrison.

Speaker 4 (01:53:46):
Don't ask me, don't ask me who to individually pick.

Speaker 5 (01:53:49):
D Christian McCaffrey, he just like.

Speaker 4 (01:53:51):
Oh yeah, totally the same thing.

Speaker 3 (01:53:53):
Didn't have a lot of a lot of juice to me,
but maybe I'll be wrong about it.

Speaker 2 (01:53:56):
I really think they have filled a lot of needs.
But the linebacker room is concerning. Right now, we have
Splaining Gibbons, Ellis, Tavai, Monty Rice, and a Udfe. You
guys trust this group, and if God forbids Splaine gets injured,
are you comfortable with a Gibbons Elis or Elis to
Vai as a tandem. I certainly am not. If we
lose games or our defenses and what we expected it

(01:54:18):
will be because of the second line of defense.

Speaker 3 (01:54:20):
I don't think that this scheme, I don't think necessarily
what's the word. I don't think they need superstars at
linebacker in this type of defense. Like I don't think
this is a defense that runs some defenses like the
middle linebacker spot is a key spot within the scheme
and it's kind of all built around the middle linebacker,

(01:54:41):
especially have a good one like San Francisco or something
like that. This this defense, I don't I don't feel
is that way. I don't think they ever really had
superstar middle linebackers in Tennessee either. They were all kind
of you know, role players and guys that were good
at what they asked them to do. Types of players.
So I think their linebackers are fine for what they're

(01:55:02):
trying to do. They want their defensive line to be
I agree.

Speaker 4 (01:55:05):
With all that. I would worry a little bit of
Spolaine where to get hurt. I think Splain needs to
be a part of this.

Speaker 5 (01:55:10):
Yeah, I mean, I think Gibbons is an okay backup
that they that they didn't have last year. And I'd
also say Christianelli's just He was also at the podium
after you guys and said this is the perfect defense
for me to play in, which makes sense to me.
He fits that kind of mold of just little linebackers
who can run.

Speaker 2 (01:55:25):
Has Splain talked other than the day that we signed. No, No,
do we know if he is okay with being called Bobby.
I don't know, because I do want to call him Bobby,
and I want him to move to swamp Scott so
I can say.

Speaker 5 (01:55:43):
Not a lot of Patriot players I imagine living up
in swamp Skit.

Speaker 14 (01:55:46):
No.

Speaker 2 (01:55:47):
It's a nice place.

Speaker 4 (01:55:48):
It's very nice, but is it far's It'd be very
you'd be crazy to live out, very difficult to manage
that commutey that is you have to go if you live.

Speaker 12 (01:55:57):
Up in Boston, like you're probably there's some days where
you're driving an hour to get home.

Speaker 4 (01:56:01):
Oh right, so make it too for swampscar.

Speaker 5 (01:56:03):
Gonna do a little mileage check. Here what you got
on the mileage car these days? These three?

Speaker 4 (01:56:06):
You got two?

Speaker 5 (01:56:07):
Three, you got two sixty five five thousand.

Speaker 2 (01:56:10):
I'm at one seventy. Your car is like two years old,
right well at nineteen, Yeah, I wasnt good. I had
to get new tires. Got my bridge stone tires yesterday.
By the way, run flats and run flats. I had them,
what the hell? Had them detail it? It does make
a big deal, shiny, it's like a new car inside.

Speaker 12 (01:56:31):
Can I tell you guys a quick story. I'm still
so irate from this. I got an oil change the
other day, and I wanted them to just inspect the
car too, But my neighbor's kid cracked my driver's side
mirror with a tennis ball, so needs the glass replaced.
They're else, they'll give me a red R because it's
a safety thing. Obviously you want a red AR, not
a black AR.

Speaker 2 (01:56:52):
Rather, I have one.

Speaker 4 (01:56:53):
So I said, yeah, just like a year, just sixteen months.

Speaker 12 (01:56:59):
So I tried to get a quote to do the
mirror too, as well as my oil changed, hi rotation,
et cetera. He tells me it's going to cost seven
hundred dollars to do the mirror and I said, what
do you mean and he said, yeah, well it's the
part and the labor. And I was like, okay, we're
not going to do that today. Whatever. I go, sit down,
get up on the internet, pull up some YouTube videos,

(01:57:21):
bring my laptop back up to the guy and I say,
are you quoting me for the entire mirror or just
the glass? And he said it pops right out. I
can do it myself. So I have my laptop and
I'm like, did you quote me for the entire mirror
or just the glass? And he said, oh, let me check,
and he goes they said the entire mirror. I said why,
I said, show me it. Why do I need the

(01:57:41):
mirror replaced? The glass pops out like it's literally just
the glass. I made him walk to the car with
me and show me and he was like, oh, because
I'm so vulnerable in an autobody, like you know, mirror tried.
He freaking tried. But guess what. My stepdad owned family
owns a chassis company. My brother's super handy. Like I

(01:58:02):
was ready to go. I had chat gpt up, I
had the YouTube video. So I so I'm like, why
would you guys quote me for the mirror if it's
just the glass that needs to be replaced. I said,
the electronics still works all of this, And then he
had nothing to say to me. He was like, oh,
you're right, You're right, and I said yeah, and I'm.

Speaker 2 (01:58:20):
Like, no, but that's the thing today, is you need
to find a place that is willing to repair rather
than replace.

Speaker 12 (01:58:26):
Yes, yeah, it was.

Speaker 2 (01:58:28):
It's just easier and they make more money just taking
off the whole thing and putting in a new one
rather than just fix.

Speaker 7 (01:58:35):
Right.

Speaker 12 (01:58:35):
So then I'm like he's like, oh, well the glass
will cost this, and it was still outrageous. It was
like going to be like almost two hundred dollars just
for the glass and to pop it out. And I
had seen the video and I was like, honestly for
the convenience. If you guys had quoted me initially and
we're honest, just for the convenience, I would have said whatever,
like taking it on social media, I can't sponsor reasons.

Speaker 5 (01:59:01):
I say, he's already asked about it. It's wonderful for
that kind of stuff. You can put your car make in.
They'll tell you exactly what you need. And there's YouTube videos.
I've done a car mire had my work.

Speaker 12 (01:59:12):
Laptop press play on the video. I said, you're telling
me this is going to cost me two hundred dollars, Like.

Speaker 4 (01:59:17):
Oh, I was.

Speaker 3 (01:59:18):
This isn't a problem though in the car industry, Like
my dad does a lot of consulting and a lot
of his business and my brother is women because women,
like they think they can take advantage of women, and
they do in the car industry. And so like my
dad goes in with them and like to lease a car,
buy a car, and like they think and then he's like, no,
you're not gonna We're not doing this today, like and
you know, technically.

Speaker 4 (01:59:40):
They take it. They take advantage of middle aged old
men that don't know anything about cars too. Yeah, right, Like,
well that's why dad.

Speaker 12 (01:59:48):
Broken the seven hundred and fifty dollars for gas on
a mirror. I could have punched this guy.

Speaker 4 (01:59:54):
I got to get my breaks done.

Speaker 2 (01:59:55):
It won't cost hi right now, just thinking about some
days ago, like a guy like if I go in
telling them what I think I know what's wrong. They
take it as a challenge to like, no, you know
it's it's it's awful, but good for you.

Speaker 12 (02:00:11):
Thank you, very proud of myself.

Speaker 4 (02:00:14):
Do your research. It might be the bypass line you
know knows.

Speaker 5 (02:00:18):
Thank you very much.

Speaker 4 (02:00:18):
Bypass line.

Speaker 3 (02:00:19):
You got to get Paul's card pass inspection.

Speaker 5 (02:00:22):
Paul think I think that ship is sale there.

Speaker 4 (02:00:25):
I'd love to hand it over to your father and
just slip the other way and thank him when he's done.

Speaker 2 (02:00:29):
Red our Perillo. All right, that's going to be it
for this edition of Patriots Unfiltered. Thank you for watching
and listening all week. More stuff coming on Patriots dot
com and all our social media accounts. As always, it's
a busy time here, even though it's the off season.
NFL never stops. We'll see you next Tuesday. Hey, this

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I'm into the tangible numbers.

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