Patriots Unfiltered 5/13: Rookie Minicamp Recap, Recent Roster Moves, Roster Building

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All right, welcome everybody, this is Patriots Unfiltered. And yes,
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Speaker 8 (01:46):
I went to church on Saturday, just all I could
think of.

Speaker 1 (01:49):
Was material it's Alex, it's Paul, it's Deuce, and we're
excited to be here with you. We uh, I guess
we're in a little bit of the void here.

Speaker 4 (01:58):
We got Stevoid time.

Speaker 1 (02:00):
Yeah, we're officially in an offseason show now, but there
is some football to talk about. We got to see
the rookies last week on the field on Friday, got
a little look at them, and to me, though, it
wasn't the rookies that stood out Paul, it was Mike Rabel.
And I think this is what people have written, not
just because that's me, y' all know me. I love Rabel,
but I think across the board pretty much. And I
just read Mike's YARDI today, who wrote as well about it.

(02:23):
Just how interesting it was watching Mike Rabel jump from
drill to drill, engaging every player that he was working with,
whether it was first round pick Will Campbell, whether it
was an undrafted tryout player. He just looked so in
his element throughout that practice. I couldn't take my eyes
off of him. It culminated when he hopped into seven
on sevens at inside linebacker and he took the stance

(02:45):
and everything. You just gotta get him a number fifty penny.

Speaker 4 (02:47):
So this fifty one.

Speaker 1 (02:49):
Who's fifty one? So you gotta get them fifty.

Speaker 4 (02:51):
So this will a surprise. No one like that specific
part of it. I have not really a whole lot
of interesting And I know people are going to go
crazy about, oh he jumped in, he moved a guy
out of a gap, great, love it. What I was
really interested in is the stuff that you talked about initially,
just how effortlessly he bounces from group to group offense, defense,

(03:12):
special teams. Positionally. I don't recall that at all last year,
and I know that we're going to be constantly making
comparisons and they're probably not fair to do that to
Gerard Mayo. Mike has been a head coach in the
NFL for you know what five years in Tennessee at five,
you know, so he had, you know, obviously loads of

(03:33):
experience coming in, so he should be at a different
level than Gerrod Mayo was. But that was my big
takeaway from that. You know, that glimpse that we saw
for that hour of rookie mini camp was just how
actively involved he was with all areas of the team,
not just defense. Yeah, and again, I know what makes
for the great photo op and the great anecdote when
you see him actually engaged in lining up in seven

(03:57):
on seven's and moving people around and getting is you
know yeah, I mean Han's dirty and actually playing.

Speaker 1 (04:03):
Yeah, I mean more than just the novelty of him
being involved. It's just to me what stood out was
just this is what this guy loves to do. He
is just in it right now teaching. Put out a
clip from the documentary which will be coming off Friday.
Check that out of Rabel, you know, walking with Kaden
Wallace kind of using a little bit of I don't
know what you call those an example I guess of
walking together versus you know, me trying to push you

(04:25):
how hard it is. But it's just to me, it's
cool to see Mike Rabel out on the field and
working with guys. But I just love the passion. I
just love to see how much this guy loves to coach.
And the one thought that I had coming out of
that practice is like, this team is going to be
imprinted with Mike Rabel, like his handprints for better or worse,
whatever it means. He's going to be all over this team,
you know.

Speaker 4 (04:45):
So there was one other thing that I you know,
you had mentioned about the you know, like doesn't matter
Will Campbell or some tryout guy. So one of the
tryout guys is a guy named Hector Johnson. Right, He's
a defensive lineman played for Endicott College. My nephew full disclosure,
my nephew is on the coaching staff at Endicott. So

(05:05):
I have a little bit of a you know, personal
interest in this particular kid. He's from the Wister area,
a great story overcame a lot and he I mean
Division three, but an absolutely dynamite Division three football player.
He was an edge rusher for Endicott. They had a
lot of success over his career there. They've been a
playoff team consistently in the Division three playoffs. This past

(05:29):
year they won a game in the Division three playoffs
for the first time. He's not going to be an
edge rusher in the NFL, so he's going to have
to make a he just he's a Division three for
a reason. He doesn't have sort of the size requirements.
He's like six foot you know, most guys on the edge,
you know, looking at six four, you know, so we'd
be a really undersized guy. So they're changing him to

(05:51):
more of a traditional off the ball linebacker. He's been
in the middle. And you mentioned that Mike Grabil's working
with everybody. I got some interaction with my nephew who
I saw on Mother's Day, and he had talked to
Hector a little bit, and he was really blown away
with how much interest Mike took in him. And he

(06:12):
is not a guy who got a county. They signed
a couple of guys and we probably will get to
that in a little bit. They signed I think three
of the guys that were here on tryouts and this
was not one of them. But it just kind of
speaks to me of how invested Mike is in the
development of all of the players, not just as you said, Mike,
not just Will Campbell, all of the players. That really

(06:34):
stood out to me how much interaction he had and
to hear behind the scenes look at that. I think
that kind of backed it up.

Speaker 1 (06:41):
Yeah, just real quick, I mean out, it's not just
on the field. You're going tomorrow off the field, big
event to mow for Patriots players. They're gonna be going
to a bunch of different community places.

Speaker 8 (06:48):
I think there's six different groups going to various places
in the community throughout Greater Boston. There's some Dorchester spots Cambridge.
But yeah, the whole team, coaches included, all going to
be volunteering out in the community. We started this last year.

Speaker 4 (07:04):
Last year was the first time.

Speaker 8 (07:05):
Yeah, yeah, last year was the first the first time
at least since I've been here. I don't know if
they did that prior. But uh, it was a great day.
I had a lot of fun covering the event, and
just when you get that many of the guys together
out in the community, they really have fun with it too,
probably a little more so than usual. So yeah, group
I'm gonna go with yet tomorrow.

Speaker 4 (07:23):
But was this the event last year that Drake was
playing dodgeball that was great? Is that one of these things?
Maybe maybe it wasn't the group.

Speaker 8 (07:32):
It might have been honestly, six groups. Well that's the
thing is, and we were trying to get some help.
It didn't work out. But yeah, I'm like picking and
cheese which group I can go with. But I don't
know if that was just a regular boys and girls
visit for Drake or if it was the community day.
You might be right. I wasn't with him on his group,

(07:56):
but Drake is actually out in the community quite a bit.

Speaker 1 (07:59):
So the kid who had to take the ball still
in implanted on his head. He still remembers what day
it was.

Speaker 8 (08:05):
Never forget that video out.

Speaker 1 (08:08):
I mean I gained more respect for him when I'm like, oh,
he's going right for it.

Speaker 4 (08:12):
You know, that's competitive. Get out there, kids, they cap scoring.

Speaker 8 (08:17):
You know, my first uh, not Drake, but Robert Spolaine,
My first encounter with him ever was at we did
a football camp at the Newport Navy Base, which was
actually funny because Cardona showed up in his military uniform
and then changed into his football outfit. But Robert Spulaine,
there's these little chill like I don't think there's a

(08:38):
single kid over eleven years old there, and they're running
these drills and Spolaine is just pulling back no punges,
like he's throwing these kids around on mats. And it's
funny because normal parents might be like, oh, be careful,
but it was all like military dads, like the guys
in the knees like yeah, get up. It was so funny.

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Speaker 4 (09:16):
No, I thought we were trying to encourage them to.

Speaker 1 (09:19):
Trying to scare people. But Paul, to your point.

Speaker 4 (09:21):
Earlier on Mike's got the death shout out, watch it, watch.

Speaker 1 (09:24):
Chokes, I came. I even made notes today, so we
have things to talk about. Uh. But yeah, it was
Mackay Butler as well as Isaiah Eaton, and they officially
signed Willifred Pine, who was a pee. I believe is.

Speaker 4 (09:39):
That how you pronounce that one? Not Pine?

Speaker 8 (09:42):
Is it French?

Speaker 1 (09:44):
He's an international player.

Speaker 4 (09:45):
I believe he's he goes down as an international player.
So's Mike's probably.

Speaker 1 (09:50):
That's ninety one. He's the ninety first.

Speaker 4 (09:51):
He's the ninety first guy. Uh. And they did release
one of the.

Speaker 1 (09:55):
Libel Burdau from whom Merrimack.

Speaker 4 (09:57):
Who was from Merrimac. Yeah, so it's another sort of
local tie and I thought that was interesting and I
really liked it Mike talking on Friday before we went
out to practice. You know, they brought it in. I
think there is well, I don't know, fifteen or sixteen
guys on tryouts in addition to you know, you know
the whatever eleven. You know, there's probably another twenty draft

(10:22):
picks in udfa's right. So one of the things that
Mike talked about was wanting to get some local kids
that didn't necessarily sign somewhere, but give them an opportunity,
you know, another every guy, right. Jake Wilcox was one
of those tryout guys for as a quarterback who had

(10:43):
a pretty solid career at Brown. Undersized kid obviously, that's
why he didn't get drafted. But I liked that idea
from Mike. You know, take a kid from Merrimack, give
him a shot, you know, Endicott College Division III, give
him a shot, you know, and if they if they
come in. I mean, listen, Malcolm Butler was one of
these guys. Yeah, Malcolm Butler came in the spring of

(11:07):
you know OTAs and all that as a tryout guy,
not even a full fledged UDFA. You know, he had
to earn that. Like, these are the names that Mike
just read and then he fought his way onto the roster.

Speaker 8 (11:20):
So working at like a Popeyes or something Jangles.

Speaker 4 (11:23):
Yeah, I think it was Popeyes.

Speaker 1 (11:25):
I love those stories guys that have to dabble in
the real world a little bit and then they come
back and then they appreciate a little bit more what
it means to get this opportunity. We got to talk
about it. People want to know who stood out at
rookie Mini camp I think Paul and I both nobody
fall under the category of just cool to see them
out there. But it's hard to really make any kind

(11:48):
of judgments. I would say, you know, Kyle Williams right
in there, looked involved, was active, same thing with us.

Speaker 4 (11:54):
Just looks smooth to me. But you know, I'm not
talking about any evaluations. I'm just talking about how they
looked in the uniform.

Speaker 1 (12:00):
Right.

Speaker 4 (12:01):
I thought he looked like he you know, he looked
like a wide receiver. He looked pretty smooth. He looked
like he looked like an athlete.

Speaker 1 (12:07):
And check me if I'm wrong. Will Campbell looked like
an offensive lineman out there, and yeah, you know, getting
getting involved. I think it's a tough situation though for
him when he's got a stand next to b c's
Jack Conley, who is I believe six seven and makes
Will Campbell almost look small. I don't think he's a
small guy. But the one thing that stood out to
me other than I know, I know that's see six eight.

(12:27):
It's just towering. But I think the thing that stood
out to me other than player evaluations for that hour
plus that we were in that bubble was just the
type of practice. Because we've talked about it before, Mayo
kind of an extension of Belichick's practices felt vaguely similar.
I know you you have some nuance there if you
felt like it took a little while for them to
get going. Yeah, didn't feel like this with Rabel. But

(12:49):
it just feels like a different practice. It doesn't feel
like it's kind of coming out of the same tree.
I mean, just the same example would be Patriots always have,
as I've seen, stretched while they're walking. They kind of
one defense on one end on one sideline, offense on
one sideline. They kind of walked to the middle, they
touched their totally. They stretched. Now it was more of
a stationary which was like I did it in high school,

(13:10):
the captain sit up, front, and you know, everybody sits
in lines and you kind of sit and stretch it. Now, way,
did you see it's different in the back doing the
freshman you know, freshman year. I don't know we did
my my junior year. I only played my freshman junior
year though, so but as a fresh crap I was
near the back after the captain had stolen my power
path front. I was a front row girl really right
from the get go as a freshman making your presence.

(13:33):
I tried.

Speaker 8 (13:34):
I tried to hang in the back, but eventually, like
the coach would be like, Francisco, I'll get up here.

Speaker 1 (13:39):
I don't know, you got the name. What's the name too?
Just you gotta be good at Francisco.

Speaker 4 (13:43):
Cisco, Francisco, get up here.

Speaker 9 (13:45):
You know.

Speaker 8 (13:46):
There's a time in track where we started doing going
to the weight room and doing lifting, and I was
just trying to be in the back, like not fitting in,
but had a little bit of experience weightlifting. One of
my cousins owned a gym, and I then somehow found
myself as like the form demonstrator for.

Speaker 1 (14:04):
For what not a big deal for squats? Yeah, yeah,
those are hard. I need to do the you ever
have to do the ones where you put the bar
over your head, the snatch squats, you have the bar
up over your head and then you got to go
down with your arms.

Speaker 3 (14:15):
Out like this.

Speaker 8 (14:15):
Is that like a cross?

Speaker 1 (14:16):
I did not demonstrate that. No, that was one of
our donkey train anything. It was hard for me. I
was really toy, very toy, not flexible.

Speaker 4 (14:25):
That's why.

Speaker 1 (14:27):
Exactly right, Well, so we're gonna be here for two hours,
catching you guys up. Fred is busy. Evan. I don't
know what Kendrick Lamar, he had already taken the day off,
so it was morning thing.

Speaker 4 (14:39):
I don't really buy the Kendrick Lamar excuse. I think
he's in mourning.

Speaker 8 (14:43):
Well, I need to know if he was watching the
game during the concert or like when he found out
about the tatum is.

Speaker 1 (14:49):
Probably for the best.

Speaker 4 (14:50):
Just how much fucking out how much it affected him.

Speaker 8 (14:52):
Or was it something that like one person heard about
it in the stadium and it started traveling throughout you know,
I need to recap.

Speaker 1 (15:00):
I hope he had a few drinks and he realized
what direction and then.

Speaker 8 (15:03):
He probably cried.

Speaker 4 (15:05):
Do you think it ruined the concert for him?

Speaker 1 (15:07):
I think for me I can't lie.

Speaker 8 (15:09):
I lost sleep last night.

Speaker 4 (15:11):
I felt bad for Tatum.

Speaker 3 (15:12):
I did.

Speaker 4 (15:13):
I mean, know, I know these guys make a lot
of money and all that stuff, and you're like, oh,
what do you know? You think? You know, it's like
the Bronx tail. You know, you think you think you're
old man. You know you think Mickey manno cares about
your old man. You know, like, I get it. They
make a lot of money, they're famous people. You know,
he'll get over it. But I just felt bad for
him last night.

Speaker 1 (15:32):
Me too. I I mean, I was actually watching last night.
I had to turn.

Speaker 4 (15:35):
You could tell it was an impactful injury just by
the look on his face. Not so much pain, but
the look to me was telling me that he knows.

Speaker 1 (15:43):
It's gonna be a long run.

Speaker 4 (15:44):
I'm in trouble. I'm gonna be out for a while.
Yeah see, I haven't really seen any updates.

Speaker 1 (15:48):
It's good though. I'm the host so I can grill
the two super Celtics Celtics AX Celtics.

Speaker 4 (15:55):
I just I'm a bomb tosser.

Speaker 1 (15:57):
Is it over? Is it over? People? Can the Celtics
bounce back if they don't have Jason Tatum? Down three
one they got to win three straight.

Speaker 4 (16:04):
To the fan, I think they might.

Speaker 8 (16:05):
Rally one game in honor of Tatum, but it's.

Speaker 1 (16:10):
Just the death rattle this What is it tomorrow night
at Boston or are they take them? Is it Thursday night?
I'm not sure.

Speaker 8 (16:15):
I got a double check. After Tita went down. I
shut the game off because I could just tell it
was so bad, and I was speculating on what it
could be an achilles and like, there's no worse injury
you can face.

Speaker 1 (16:27):
No, it's adding injury to insult, Isn't it? Like that's
the worst you're you know you're gonna lose if. I'm
so used to watching kids sports right now, but I
like that was the vibe that I got instantly of like,
oh man, this is going bad and then somebody gets
hurt and just goes from bad to worse, especially with Tatum.
But I'm sure we'll get plenty of Evan tomorrow. It
is tomorrow, no day off, one.

Speaker 4 (16:49):
Day off, and the day today day. I like those
should be every other tea.

Speaker 1 (16:53):
The game was last night or it's tonight, either way,
but we'll get a catch up with Evan for sure
tomorrow and catch twenty two I'm sure I'll have him
and outs plenty to say. Give us a call though,
eight five to five, Pats five hundred, send us an email,
web radio at Patriots dot com. Love to hear from
you guys. So some big stuff also going on this week.
We've got the schedule coming out tomorrow. That's big news.

(17:14):
Many people in this building right now working on our
schedule release video. So excited to share that with you guys.
And what do you guys think about the schedule anything
we know now? It doesn't look like no international games
right which from Paul, it doesn't really matter to us.
We don't really travel that much.

Speaker 4 (17:30):
And it was which I was always wondering, you know,
like we did to Germany a couple of years ago.
That was kind of a special trip. I was kind
of in the back of my mind saying I could
have talked myself into that trip. Yeah, but you know,
I didn't really have much faith that we were going
after having gone international the last two years.

Speaker 1 (17:49):
Yeah, I think that's what they said, a little bit
of a reprieve after going international for both gams. But
I got to experience England at some point, Paul with you,
because you make it sound like, like you say, were
the Beatles there, right, big big PU fan contingent.

Speaker 4 (18:03):
I believe I did say we were the Beatles there,
but I'm not sure that I coded you as part.

Speaker 1 (18:07):
Of we there, Me and Andy and Fred.

Speaker 8 (18:13):
He was like Pete best more so than when we
were in Germany.

Speaker 4 (18:16):
Oh yeah, yeah, but Germany was great too. It's good
for the ego, I will say.

Speaker 1 (18:21):
Only time, especially when you're front of the especially when
you're front of the CEO craft entertainment, you're getting tapped up.

Speaker 4 (18:28):
You don't realized that was this big of a deal,
did you? Adding some zero C into that salary?

Speaker 1 (18:36):
Uh so? Just to throw some of the opponents up
here for those of you who aren't familiar with who
the Patriots had playing this year, the home games of course,
the AFC East opponents. Then Cleveland and Pittsburgh from the
AFC North, Atlanta Carolina from the NFC South, the Raiders,
and the Giants. Number of changes. I kind of mentioned
this last week, Paul, I like, after the draft, you

(18:56):
kind of go back to some of these opponents, and
now they have like the Giants of Jackson Dart. Now
it's a new you know. And Abdul Carter Raiders are
now with Pete Carroll and they've you know, brought in
Smith or Smith g you know, Smith to be their quarterback.
You know, Carolina continuing to build, Atlanta continuing to build. Pittsburgh,
maybe Aaron Rodgers, Cleveland, maybe Shder Sanders. I don't know.

(19:17):
They're starting to throw there a little bit. But all
those teams, at least the home portion gone under some
significant transition on the away front. New Orleans, Derek Carr retires,
Tampa Bay they're still building. I think they just drafted
another wide receiver a second ago.

Speaker 4 (19:33):
Tampa is a good team. I think people just overlook
Tampa and they they've been good. Even since Brady left.
They continued to be, you know, a pretty reasonably talented
team that has won some games.

Speaker 1 (19:45):
Baker Mayfield something there. You think.

Speaker 4 (19:47):
I think he's okay. I think he makes too many
mistakes still, I know, but as Fred likes to say,
let Baker bake, Baker bak, let Baker bake, and the
league is better with Baker Mayfield.

Speaker 1 (19:56):
Such an interesting guy.

Speaker 4 (19:57):
I don't understand why, but that's what Fred said.

Speaker 1 (19:59):
We saw him here in the preseason with Carolina. A
couple of years ago. I was like, this guy's done.
He can't play anymore, and it's it's one of those
experiences that's forever in the back of my civil too.

Speaker 8 (20:09):
I remember looking at him too and being like that,
the guy looks like any dude I went high school with.

Speaker 1 (20:13):
I mean, they got they had Donald and Baker Mayfield
there at the same time, and they couldn't get either
one of those guys to work. It's just funny how
you look back on some of those things.

Speaker 8 (20:22):
Situation is everything.

Speaker 1 (20:24):
We're just sharing a story I shared with Paul. I'm
doing a little digging on the eighty five season for
some stuff we're writing for for Game Day magazine this year,
and was watching the game against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
where Steve de Burg's in at quarterback and they're showing
Steve Young on the sidelines that they like, they can't
put him in yet. I guess they did. Did he
come over like midyear or something. I don't remember us
from the USFL, but express it's you look at this

(20:45):
and it's you got a Hall of Fame quarterback sitting
on the sidelines. But I could just like you get
your head ringing. You're like your voice ringing in my
ear as I'm like, no, we can't, we can't play him.

Speaker 4 (20:54):
Steve de Berg, we got we gotta ride it down
to st Berger.

Speaker 1 (21:00):
Gross.

Speaker 4 (21:00):
Yeah, and it's just that that's another example, though, where
you know the fit and where you go, Like you
just mentioned Mayfield in Donald or Carolina, And I'm not
saying either one of those guys is Tom Brady two
point zero, Okay, but they've both last year demonstrated that
if you if you surround them with some structure, their

(21:23):
competent NFL quarterbacks. Okay, maybe Donald isn't as good as
he looked for most of the year and he kind
of regressed to the mean by the end of the season,
but he showed you that he can play the position
at least at an average level.

Speaker 8 (21:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (21:37):
In Carolina, they look neither one of those guys looked
like they couldn't even play anymore. Yeah, and now that
you know they were both leading playoff teams last year.
That's on Carolina. I'm sorry, that's not the two quarterbacks faults.
They showed you if they get to an organization that
has an idea of how to win games, they can
win games.

Speaker 1 (21:56):
What itever occurred to you when we were watching those
guys that like, man, you guys, you guys be a
lot better off if you could swap Mac Jones for
either one of those guys right now. I mean, maybe
it doesn't make sense to your point of did the
Patriots have the infrastructure around the quarterback to let them
have that success that they've had. I mean you look
at what Baker Mayfield has.

Speaker 4 (22:14):
And yeah, they do have talent.

Speaker 1 (22:17):
Donald had talent last year too.

Speaker 4 (22:19):
You know Tampa, you know, with with Evans and Godwin
and then Minnesota obviously with Justin Jefferson and Jordan Addison
was just that makes a big difference. They what do
they have in Carolina?

Speaker 1 (22:30):
Yeah, you know, no one really Adam to the corpse
of out Adam Thielen I think is of course.

Speaker 4 (22:38):
That's all they got, disrespectful to Adam Bailey.

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Speaker 3 (22:57):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (22:58):
I don't know if it's too soon to jump over
to the phones here, but it's never too soon too soon.
But I'm feeling like a little trip down to Providence. Hey, Randy,
what's going on?

Speaker 10 (23:07):
Hey?

Speaker 11 (23:08):
How the girl?

Speaker 6 (23:08):
Guys?

Speaker 11 (23:10):
I'm all right.

Speaker 10 (23:12):
I had one question and a couple. Uh. Well, I
guess two questions. Kind of do you guys catch any
of the there's like some post draft news, you know.
And I thought it was a little bit confirming of
the peck right because Mason Graham he looked, it looked

(23:34):
really rough, you know, his practices in Cleveland and then
like and he had kind of been an option that
people had kind of kicked around. I didn't think it
was seriously given they had already invested in Milan Williams.
But my question about the practices the other guy was
about Trade Brown Henderson.

Speaker 6 (23:53):
Did he ever make it.

Speaker 10 (23:54):
Into the rookie medicamp because he wasn't there the first day?

Speaker 11 (23:57):
Yeah, And do.

Speaker 10 (23:59):
You guys know why he wasn't there? And is that
something to be you know, concerned about going forward? Was
it contract related? Was it injury related?

Speaker 1 (24:07):
Yeah? He was he was out there the next day
we put out some pictures in practicing. I don't know exactly.
It might have just been contract related, like working out
some final details. Maybe that's just me speculating, but it
seemed like they signed all those guys at once, and
maybe he was one of the ones they couldn't quite
get done into.

Speaker 4 (24:23):
Yeah, and you don't have to sign to be on
the field at Rooky Minnichamp, just you know, up front.
So my guess is that it was whatever it was,
was minor, because as Mike said, we did have some
pictures of him on Saturday. I was wondering just sometimes
at this time of year, these guys go back and graduate,

(24:43):
and I don't know if maybe he was, you know,
it might have been a personal situation where he wanted
I'm not saying that that's what he did because he
was there the next day. I don't know, you know,
but that that sometimes happens with rookies is they want
to be part of the graduating class, and I I
think that's great when they do it. But I don't
know why he wasn't there, and I'm not overlly concerned

(25:05):
about it.

Speaker 6 (25:07):
That makes sense.

Speaker 10 (25:08):
Somebody had mentioned that one of the other second round
picks had signed like a fully guaranteed contract, and that
like hypothesize, I guess that maybe that was the hold
up that everybody in the second round was now looking for.

Speaker 4 (25:24):
So that could be. That could be in terms of
signing contracts, Randy, that's absolutely a good point. I think
it was was was it Higgins? Jalen Higgins, Jayden Higgins.
I think he's the one that signed fully guaranteed. So
that's something to keep an eye on if the second
round picks end up, you know, being delayed a little bit.
But again in general terms, that wouldn't keep a guy

(25:45):
off the mini camp field. They signed where they get,
they get their money anyway.

Speaker 1 (25:50):
Yeah, so nothing to worry about, little think. Thanks Randy,
appreciate it. So jump over to Frez no Speed Speed.

Speaker 12 (25:58):
What what's going on?

Speaker 13 (25:59):
He got hear me?

Speaker 6 (26:00):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (26:00):
Are you great?

Speaker 10 (26:01):
Hey?

Speaker 11 (26:02):
Hey?

Speaker 14 (26:04):
It's exciting for the you know, all the all the
stuff he's been happening the offseason. I guess just think
about Drake May and you know he's spraying the ball
a bit last year in his rookie year, and it's
kind of to be expected. There's going to be some
some struggles but there's a lot to be optimistic about.
I guess I wanted to ask coming into this season,

(26:24):
what do you what do you look? What are you realists?
Do excuse me, realistically expect? And at what point might
you start to worry if he's still spraying the ball,
like at what week's week three, week four, week six? Ooh,
maybe there's some concerns here. I don't know, what do
you guys think?

Speaker 4 (26:41):
Thanks be, I would say if he's if he's turning
the ball over again, I don't care how many weeks
it is, that would be concerning to me. I'm expecting
to turn I think we talked about this a little
bit last week. I'm expecting the turnover number to drop dramatically.
I think having a guy like Ray and Josh McDaniels

(27:03):
on him, I think will will limit some of the mistakes.
But if they don't, and it's like Spee said, it's
kind of like as a result of just continuing to
spray the ball, because I don't think he made a
ton of bad decisions last year on his turnovers, like
mostly interceptions in the NFL will generally in general terms,

(27:23):
they have bad decisions misreading the coverage or trying to
jam one in that we're just not there. A lot
of May's last year I thought were just bad throws
because I do think it gets away from him every
once in a while. So if that continues, that's not
a good sign.

Speaker 1 (27:39):
That's I mean, it's a good question. I mean, I
think that's the thing that is going to define this
Patriots season. I think they're going to be a solid team,
but how good. I don't want to simplify it and
say that Drake May's going to determine this team's entire ceiling.
But he's the quarterback sort of.

Speaker 8 (27:55):
He's so much more going for him this season in
terms of coaching, in terms of the web bins he.

Speaker 1 (28:00):
Has now, So yeah, try to get digs up to
speed quick. You know, how does how does that all
play out with the receivers?

Speaker 4 (28:08):
But boy Diggs was in New York last night.

Speaker 8 (28:10):
Cardi B, Cardi B and the Kendall Jenner.

Speaker 1 (28:14):
He's got like some style he had on like a
like a hood kind of.

Speaker 4 (28:16):
Yeah, I didn't he go to the Metdala?

Speaker 8 (28:19):
Yeah, he was at the met Gala. I thought we
fumbled the bag with the Instagram caption that we did.
We posted a picture of him at the met gala
with like the fur we should have put King of
the North. It's good.

Speaker 1 (28:30):
That's good. Well, hopefully uh back sooner than later. I'll's
jump over here in North Carolina and Todd Hey talked.

Speaker 2 (28:38):
Hey, guys are gonna start with an apology. When you
guys were talking sandwiches, I kept thinking that, Yeah, last
year the Patriots had way too much mail under sandwich.
I'm sorry, dudes, I know I just kind of wrecked
your stick there with that thought.

Speaker 15 (28:53):
True.

Speaker 2 (28:54):
I really want to know is kind of related to that.
How do you feel the cult is this year compared
to last year, with you know, rabled hands on approach,
the just the engagement with the players, the more media president.

Speaker 16 (29:09):
There seems to be more.

Speaker 2 (29:12):
More coming out of what they're doing and what's going
on and where their approaches in last year.

Speaker 12 (29:17):
How do you guys feel about that?

Speaker 4 (29:20):
I haven't really sensed it. I mean, I think the
culture last year at this time of year was outstanding.
I think the players spoke glowingly about you know, Gerrod
Mayo's treating them like men. And the one thing that
I would agree with Todd there is I do feel
like it's been more football talk that we're hearing now

(29:43):
than we did last year, and I think it's pretty obvious.
I don't think that they knew exactly what you know.
I made a big deal of it at the time.
They had an opportunity to do a couple of these
weeks and they chose not to because they claimed they
weren't ready to. So I think football wise, they're ahead
of where they were last year at this time. Culture wise,
I would say it's pretty good right now from everything

(30:03):
I'm hearing. But I thought it was pretty good last
year from everything I heard, and that didn't really change
until you got into the season and the losses started
piling up. Yeah, and then we started hearing every game
postgame bad stuff.

Speaker 8 (30:16):
I think last year too, a lot of our leaders
were defensive guys that had known Mayo for years before
he came loved and they had such a vested interest
in him being promoted to that level and him doing
really well. So in hindsight, maybe it was like, maybe
he was too much of their friend than their coach situation.

(30:36):
But yeah, looking back now I'm starting I'm like, Okay,
the vibes are really high, but taking it with a
grain of salt.

Speaker 1 (30:42):
Yeah, I feel a little more sense of an identity,
But I just I.

Speaker 4 (30:45):
Think I do too.

Speaker 1 (30:45):
I'm struggling with that with right now. Is it's hard
to compliment Mike Frabele and this team without it seeming
like you're trying to take a dump on what was before.

Speaker 4 (30:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (30:55):
Yeah, And there are certainly elements where people out there
are serving things and they're directly trying to take a
dump on last year. But it was the same thing
to last year, when everything you wanted to say nice
about Mayo it felt like, well, you're taking a dump
on Bill and I mean, and to be fair, sometimes
I think they did overtly take a dump home, you
know what, They.

Speaker 4 (31:15):
That regime had no problems doing that. I totally agree
with your summation of that because I do feel like
every time I talk about something that I like about Rabel,
I'd have to offer the disclaim show.

Speaker 8 (31:29):
Yeah, it's like the pendulum was here with Bill swung
all the way over with Mayo. I hope we're back
somewhere in the middle.

Speaker 1 (31:35):
And I just I want to always try to be
fair to drop Mayo because I think, I mean, he
was put in a really hard position. But Mike Frabil
is an experienced coach who knows what he wants and
had a whole year to refine his program and what
he wants. And I think what you're seeing from that
rookie mini camp and even some of the meetings that
you know we've seen with the media is just that

(31:58):
he knows exactly what he wants to do now and
he's going for it. And I think that's you know,
maybe Jirog could have eventually gotten there. But I really
liked what Mike Rabel said in that little clip that
we put out with him and Kaden Wallace from the
team meeting, where he said, I don't care how it
was coached in the past, this is how I want
to do it. And you know, I try to take

(32:18):
that approach a little bit and talking as much about
this as we do, because it's like, I just don't
want everything. Every time I give Rabel a compliment, somebody's like, well,
Jerrob Murrio was never involved in practice, then was it?
You know, it's they're totally separate, And I think there
is a way to still praise this regime without it
seeming like you're trying to take side shots at what
they did last year. Submittedly they were in a hard position, and.

Speaker 8 (32:38):
Again Mayo really only knew what it was like here.
Like Rabel, you're getting his experience, but it's not just
years of experience, it's experience elsewhere, you know, Like it
wasn't part of Belichick's coaching tree. He just played for Belichick.
He learned how to coach at a bunch of different places.

Speaker 1 (32:52):
Yeah, yeah, And I mean I think that was reflected
in you know, just as simple as the warm ups
before practice, you know, how does it go?

Speaker 16 (32:59):
What?

Speaker 1 (33:00):
Like I thought, I've always thought the coaches here have
had really good energy. I mean I thought Bill's practices
were always really high tempo and coaches running to and
front drills, and it just didn't feel like a lot
of time, you know, being wasted. But I definitely took
notice of the energy just overall from all the coaches.
I'd also just highlight Scott Booker was the safety's coach.
Was one guy that really just stood out to me.

(33:21):
Booming voice, knows what he's looking for. Talking to a
lot of guys watching the practice from the back end
of the of the defense, he really seems like he
knows what he wants and how to get it out
of his guys. So I think you're starting to see
a little bit of you know, even Thomas Brown spending
a lot of time with Josh McDaniels on the field
during that practice as well, Like.

Speaker 4 (33:40):
Someone was actually watching practice in.

Speaker 1 (33:42):
Between talking with you and gigraphy me that. But those
are the things I think a lot of people were
so focused on, you know, reps and you know, here's
Kyle Williams running through a little gauntlet like okay, yeah,
like it looks nicey can.

Speaker 4 (33:54):
Someone a clip out? And like making the defense look silly?
I was like, are we serious right now? Like even
we had a call at earlier that said Mason Graham
looked terrible. I proba, like, no, we didn't. They're standing
out there in shorts and they're warming up and they're
like going to a shell of a seven on seven
Like no one's done a thing. Like these kids are
just learning what they're doing, you know, and how they're

(34:15):
going to practice at the NFL level. They're not. There's
no performance at all, no, no, Like no one looked
good and no one looked bad. I'm going to say,
across the board, unless someone got hurt, that I don't
know about obviously injuries bad, you know, but.

Speaker 1 (34:29):
No, it's hard. I mean we will get another.

Speaker 4 (34:31):
Kyle Williams did not make anyone look silly.

Speaker 1 (34:33):
No, I mean still look like let's say he caught
a couple of balls in the seven on seventh period.
That's nice, like you better than John Giles, right, So
to John Giles last year practice squatter who was out
there helping with the team.

Speaker 4 (34:44):
I was watching that one.

Speaker 1 (34:46):
And we'll also get another look at the full team
in OTAs a week from today next Tuesday. So I'm
not sure how that will affect PU, but that will
be a full group. Ra Abel said on Friday, you're
trying to get these rookies up to speed, which all
these veterans have been around last five weeks. Crash course
for the rookies, trying to get up to speed. What
it was the same drinking from the fire hose for.

Speaker 8 (35:06):
How could you?

Speaker 1 (35:07):
That wasn't a shot on how could you?

Speaker 4 (35:10):
That was the most directly the show was.

Speaker 1 (35:11):
A little bit. I will say this. We're going to
the phones Christian in l a Hey, Christian, what's going on?

Speaker 6 (35:18):
You guys?

Speaker 1 (35:19):
Are you today pretty good? How are you? How's things
out in LA these days.

Speaker 6 (35:23):
Yeah, I think that things are kind of calm.

Speaker 10 (35:26):
Down here in l A.

Speaker 1 (35:27):
You know, getting the June gloom yet going crazy.

Speaker 12 (35:29):
People are a little weird about that. But the wedd
is nice and that would count.

Speaker 1 (35:33):
No, no June gloomiat that's usually this time of year
you start getting in June. All right, good call, good correction,
that makes sense, right.

Speaker 12 (35:43):
But anyway, you guys, I know we have a a
pretty good season coming up. I am watching and take
the Kyle Williams and love what he represents on tape.
I think we have a good shot at eight, maybe
ten Wednesday, if we really pulled things together. My quest
for you guys to say, though, it's about one game
in particular, and that's a home game, and that game

(36:06):
is going to be against the Lost Biggest Raiders. So
I sat down you with but we wondered what kind
of reception is and should Tom Brady gets if he
comes to sit in an owner's box for the Raiders
versus New England games. And do you guys think that

(36:26):
our Gedule, I mean our Brecord at the time will
have anything to factor into if we're you know, people
are kind of okay with Brady being there or like
with doing bad and they just want everything, you know,
to burn. What do you guys think about Brady's visits
to the New England as the owner now of part
of the Raiders.

Speaker 4 (36:46):
Yeah, Christian, I don't anticipate that happening. I think he's
got a job and he'll be unless that's podcast, unless
that happens to be a Fox game and he's here
as the color analyst for the game. I don't anticipate
Tom Brady traveling to all the Raiders games in the
owner's box. He's got a job. He has stated on
the record that he's not doesn't have any plans to

(37:08):
to stop doing that. Now maybe that'll change, and then
in the coming weeks, maybe we'll find out. Oh, Tom
Brady won't be back with Kevin Burkhart in the lead
chair for Fox's top broadcast team, but he says that
he's going to continue to do it.

Speaker 1 (37:22):
Right, Why would you do that, Bobby, Like why don't
you just if you own a part of a team,
like wouldn't and you were loaded, Like wouldn't You're I'm
just gonna travel to my team's games. I'm gonna watch
it from a luxury box. I'm gonna take my private
plane back like that, to me, would be the ultimate
to own a sports franchise and be able to just
follow them and there's.

Speaker 4 (37:40):
Something that you really share, something you really want.

Speaker 1 (37:43):
What's kind of what we do right now? Only I
don't own the team right like you just kind of
follow the team, and.

Speaker 8 (37:47):
I like to just travel and put my feet up
and chill.

Speaker 1 (37:50):
I think you're sweet. Is ready for you, Miss Francisco?
You know, like the whiskey that.

Speaker 4 (37:54):
Would be high on my priority list of money.

Speaker 8 (37:58):
Money to bring into a Cup games, but.

Speaker 4 (38:01):
Money to burn. I don't know if I so.

Speaker 1 (38:05):
I mean it's I think I've evolved a little bit
in that I can see why someone would not want
to own a team with everything that goes into Let
me look across the league at what different ownership groups
have gone through, whether it's controversies, whether it's you know,
selling the team, people want to move the team. I mean,
there do seem like a lot of headaches. And you've got,
especially here, you've got sports media up your butt like

(38:27):
they're high expectations. A fan base that knows the team
and and and has had success and wants that success back.
So I get what you're saying, though it is pressure fold.
I just think it. How about a minor league hockey team.

Speaker 4 (38:40):
I'm not even like with the pressure. I just feel like,
if I if I'm a huge sports fan, I don't
need to own the team. I'll just be a huge
fan of the team and go when I want to go.
And you know, I.

Speaker 8 (38:49):
Don't think I would spend my money to buy into
a team right now. If I was born and if
I was like Amara or something different, story like that
would probably be awesome. But I don't think I would
use my own income to get into an owner. I
think the evaluations are just like way too high of
these teams.

Speaker 1 (39:07):
Now, I got a question. Maybe you know this, Paul.
I don't want to put you on the spot with
this one. So I mentioned I hate when people mention
what books they're reading. But I am reading the book, right,
don't I don't read. But do you know what the
controversy was with the Giants coaches back in the eighties.
I guess there was like a nephew that wanted the
ownership and well like Tim Maron, and there was like
Wellington mar I guess during this time there was a

(39:28):
lot of different I don't know the tension within the
ownership group of the Giants part of why, you know
Bill Parcells had some of the complications there that he had.
But I just you know, it's interesting, we come here,
everything seems so stable, but you realize that sometimes when
these families do own the team, that family squabbles cap
and all, like.

Speaker 8 (39:45):
The Lakers, like Jeanie Bust and her brothers, like and
I wonder what that relationships like now, you know.

Speaker 1 (39:52):
Sounds like it's good succession TV show, like a actually
a family that owns a team.

Speaker 8 (39:56):
They made a I think it's a Netflix show and
it's Kate Kate Hudson.

Speaker 4 (40:03):
I think, did you see it? It's terrific. It's really funny.

Speaker 8 (40:06):
And it's I think Kate Hudson and Brenda Song the
songs like her chief of staff. But she's like Genie
Buss kind of the l a basketball team.

Speaker 4 (40:16):
Not much of a stretch to say. She's kind of
loosely based on Genie Bust, and I think Jeanie Bust
and producer she I think she is.

Speaker 8 (40:23):
Her brother is the president of the team, but he
does a bunch of drugs and has a bender one
night and gets to an accident and becomes up in
the public eye, and he kind of appoints his sister
the next one. Another brother is the GM. Another brother
is like the CFO.

Speaker 4 (40:39):
I forget the name of the shower. It's an easy,
easy watch too.

Speaker 8 (40:44):
There it was cute.

Speaker 4 (40:46):
Yeah, Beth and I watched it like a weekend.

Speaker 1 (40:49):
Well, let's jump up down to Will Campbell's home state
down in Louisiana. He can running point, running point, running point, Kennedy. Then, yes,
you're on.

Speaker 4 (41:05):
All right.

Speaker 11 (41:06):
Hey, I'm calling from Louisiana and I just a second, okay,
I was I wanted to ask you about this because
I hey, man, how's everything?

Speaker 6 (41:22):
Listen?

Speaker 11 (41:22):
I want I am here.

Speaker 4 (41:26):
Hell, Ken, you're on a radio show and he's having
like three conversations and we're not really a part of men.

Speaker 11 (41:33):
Yeah, I tell you what, I've got some kind of
bad connection here.

Speaker 1 (41:37):
I'll call back, all right, Ken, Sorry to hear that.
It's a shame down Louisiana.

Speaker 17 (41:43):
He had like three conversations right on the street.

Speaker 4 (41:46):
Hey, yeah, it goes good to see you. I can't
see love it.

Speaker 1 (41:50):
I don't know that life of just like hanging on
the radio waiting to get on the show and a
radio station only one appearing as.

Speaker 4 (41:56):
A humble bragg.

Speaker 1 (41:59):
I don't think you ever a little bit of a flex.
I don't think I've ever called college.

Speaker 8 (42:04):
I think I called into uh Dalen Hawley in college?

Speaker 4 (42:08):
Why because they did you have to manage playing them
to No, it was.

Speaker 8 (42:13):
A positive call. Actually, Holly told me that he would
get an I would get an A plus in his school,
the Holly School of Journalism. But remember we don't have
to get too deep into it. But Boogie Gross John
Bouchie Gross was like caught up in a scandal with
co worker, and I think the Boston the Boston Globe
published like texts, but they didn't have her text. They

(42:36):
only had his, and it was like small excerpts. So
I called in to say, like, hey, I'm just in
journalism school, but I think it's really responsible, irresponsible that
they published all this and they didn't have the full
context of the conversation. Because the way I talk with
some of my best friends, like if you just took
out bits and pieces of it, you'd think I was
a psychopath, you know. So I kind of called in

(42:57):
to make that point.

Speaker 1 (42:59):
Again. Actually I gotta I gotta share my joke with
Alex that I pulled with Paul this weekend. I was
watching the Celtics on Saturday and Paul was texting me
about something and I thought of a joke. I thought
him a funny. I thought him a funny. So I
texted pon I'm like, you know, I think I'm actually
going to watch this is like they're up by thirty,
it's like the third quarter. You know, I think I'm
actually going to watch the game. And oh man, I

(43:23):
was no one cracked up more than me. I was like,
I'm getting to Paul. He's gonna leave so hard because.

Speaker 4 (43:27):
I thought, like I immediately looked at Bat and I'm
like telling her the whole story, like he doesn't really
like follow basketball, doesn't really care. And I was just like,
you know, you do know that the game. The game's
almost over. They're up thirty with like three minutes left
the third courter.

Speaker 1 (43:40):
I had to throw a weight what first, just to
get jokeing, and I'm like, I'm just messing with you.

Speaker 4 (43:45):
I will, I will admit when you did the weight
what I knew that you do. But but he got
he totally got me. And this whole time I'm going
back and with Alex about random stuff. I'm like, yeah,
they're gonna do it again. They gotta just playing an
offense and stop Howking. But the Knicks were bad on Saturday.

Speaker 1 (44:02):
Though they were not so much less not last night.

Speaker 4 (44:04):
That second half of the Knicks. I have to say,
I've been very obnoxiously Boston centric in my watching of
this series, and I still don't really think there's much
comparison between the two teams. But the second half last
night was the first time the Knicks for any length
of time, were the better team. They played unbelievably well

(44:25):
in the second half, and the Celtics just couldn't stop them.
They couldn't get a single stop.

Speaker 1 (44:30):
I have a taken in development, and you guys know
I'm not it's not a big Celtics guy, so feel
free to shoot this down. But I've watched enough of
this series now to feel like Boston fans are maybe
a little envious of the kind of player that Brunson
is and the way he gets better as the game
gets harder. And to me, I don't think that's a
terrible take. Hearing you guys talk, it's kind of a

(44:51):
weird reflection on the things they don't like about Tatum
and maybe Brown. I don't know to speak totally to
that point, but.

Speaker 4 (44:57):
I don't think it's a terrible take. Would say that
most people that watch, you know, a lot of the games,
they'll say, give me Tatum, give me Brown. They're more
talented players. But I think Boston in particular has a
soft spot for that kind of scrappy, overachieving underdog who
tends to be at his best when it matters most. Yeah,

(45:19):
he's and I think that's a little bit of brunts.

Speaker 8 (45:20):
In the Knicks fans I've talked to. I didn't watch
enough Knicks games this year, even in the playoffs, until
this series, but I get the sense from them that
they're like, Wow, this brunts In series is kind of
not coming out of nowhere, but he's really taking a.

Speaker 1 (45:34):
Step up, even for a guy who doesn't watch much basketball.
Just when I flip the games on, it's just obvious
that that guy is playing at an elite level right now.

Speaker 8 (45:41):
I Mean, there were so many times yesterday where he's
the smallest guy on the floor and he's still getting
all the rebounds, you know, like it was a fury.

Speaker 1 (45:47):
He's been in the Laite. The guy looks like he's
like in his mid thirties. Two, Like he just looks
old to spin around for a little while.

Speaker 4 (45:52):
Yeah, he started in Dallas. I'm spending the Knicks now
for what three years? Two? Three years?

Speaker 8 (45:58):
Tons about right, Brunts and Burner.

Speaker 4 (46:00):
Such an idiot and then they're all like villing over
guys too.

Speaker 1 (46:03):
So I heard that, not an idiot, it's not you,
which I do like commercial.

Speaker 8 (46:07):
Then the Philly Philly whenever they can new house.

Speaker 1 (46:13):
All right, Ken's back in Louisiana with a better connection. Hey, Ken,
what's going on?

Speaker 4 (46:19):
Larious? Maybe I think maybe we'll table that to Thursday.

Speaker 1 (46:23):
It stay dry well, full lines are open. Give us
a call. We'll get to the emails after nobody eats lunch.
We will take a break here sometimes at about the
top of the hour. But we are entering the official
part of the off season where I feel like we
need to bust out that game we were going to
do with all of that, put their their pictures in,
it's ready to go. I'm gonna put a final call

(46:44):
out right now. So if you're a consistent caller and
we know your name, email Matt Morrell or I guess
the web web red radio, web radio at Patriots podcast
podcasts at patriots dot com and just send them a picture.
We're gonna do who's that that caller, and we'll figure
out a fun way to do it sometime over the
next couple of months.

Speaker 8 (47:03):
Here's we maybe in a video form or we'll get
them up on the screen or something. But yeah, we
got a couple of great submissions, but there was a
couple of regulars. I was a little disappointed to not
see anything yet.

Speaker 1 (47:13):
All right, we'll get on it in Claire case Eldred participate.
We all know what unfortunately, but should be like the
only woman that's true. Well, we have a couple. There's
a couple of callers. You have, like an old collar
from the Chicago area, Paul that was a big fan
of of here a woman there's a big fan.

Speaker 4 (47:29):
Of Cat Cat in Chicago.

Speaker 1 (47:31):
Yeah, trap, I got it.

Speaker 4 (47:36):
And she was a like good fan who would offer
the critique when it needed to be too. I wonder
where Cat is. She was like redoing a house in Chicago,
and then we haven't heard from her for a long time.

Speaker 1 (47:49):
It's funny how that works for.

Speaker 8 (47:52):
Renovations.

Speaker 1 (47:53):
Man, almost like social media, where there's all of a
sudden you realize you're like, I haven't seen that person
and forever on social media for whatever, you know, reading
like somebody just drops off the face of.

Speaker 4 (48:04):
The earth, and then you start thinking, oh, I hope
you know everything is okay. Yeah, you know, it's not
like you know them, know them.

Speaker 1 (48:10):
But then suddenly someone random calls in that hasn't called
in for like a year or something, and you guys
instantly remember who they were.

Speaker 8 (48:18):
And I wis you could send wellness checks like I
here's a quick everything going good?

Speaker 1 (48:22):
Well the newsletter?

Speaker 4 (48:24):
We'll check and watch some of those shows. What's uh?
What's the one Alison Victoria That one on HG TV.
She does one of those rehab shows. Yeah, do you
watch watch?

Speaker 8 (48:37):
I think TV was my backup plan if sports media
didn't want to go.

Speaker 4 (48:42):
That's funny. I think she I think she was in
Chicago and that's what this The cat in Chicago's like
rehab project. That's what it reminded me of all the
time listening to her talk about it.

Speaker 1 (48:52):
But house flipping.

Speaker 4 (48:54):
This wasn't flipping this. I think they bought something like
downtown that they were completely redoing. If I'm not mistaken,
heard her husband the.

Speaker 1 (49:03):
Real estate game. It's tough. It's tough out there.

Speaker 4 (49:05):
Yeah, are you a mogul?

Speaker 1 (49:07):
No, I'm definitely not. But are you dreaming of next
to the off season?

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for It's right. Those are those are some tough copy.
A bunch of emails we got all right, all right,
I'm going right to the Jaws one first, so or
else we start, Oh Tyler from Ludlow first, he said,

(50:00):
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Speaker 16 (50:04):
So there you go.

Speaker 1 (50:05):
We're giving a If you like Joss trivia, you should
check out the Jaws episode of the Unspooled podcast. You'll
learn things like the theme music was based on the
dinosaur fight scene from Fantasia, and that Quinn's traits are
based on a local Martha Martha's vineyard fisherman who was
allegedly the only person on the island to be arrested
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a small part in the movie, and the crew would

(50:25):
listen to his stories and use them to craft Quinn's line.
So Quinn is real. I can confirm that, Paul, you
know who that guy was. He's the one that's driving.
I think he played the Ben Gardner. He's like that,
said mothers. I can't remember.

Speaker 4 (50:37):
It was the guy who comes outside with the pipe.
Oh wait, maybe the hobbermaster.

Speaker 1 (50:41):
Oh I thought it was the guy in the boat. Wait,
we got it. We're gonna have to Tyler. Is it
is it the guy? Is it Ben Gardner?

Speaker 4 (50:47):
Ben Gardners, that's Ben, and.

Speaker 1 (50:49):
He's the one who guys like that whole when they're
all drying, of course, and he's going together with that's Markllo.
Sorry Alex, but well, Jows is coming back into theaters
this summer, and I think we need to do a
team outing of that. We just talked way too much
about it. It's gonna be playing right there at Patriot Place.

Speaker 4 (51:08):
Do a little team to this particular summer. But I
would definitely be interested.

Speaker 1 (51:13):
An eleven o'clock show you about nine am, we about
eleven to one the.

Speaker 8 (51:17):
Team thing, or we do the drive in theater that's
on the cape and make it really an authentic experience
and then we expense the trip.

Speaker 1 (51:26):
All right, Alex, Alex, you got your first email. Alex
is on the on the booth in the covering new
Alex Boy Alex to be confused girl, Alex. But Rick
is writing and saying, can you update the opening credits
to the show. The robotic voice in random Chatter is screaming,
screaming for an upgrade. So while Mamarrell's out today, Alex,
if you want to update the update the whole show?

Speaker 4 (51:47):
Yeah, this is the times, you know, flex your muscles.

Speaker 1 (51:53):
This is probably a question for father Fred. Hey, guys,
I know I probably have to ask for Father Fred.
Is the statue thing for Brady still happening or is
that in eighty six. I'd like to attend the ceremony
if it is. Thanks to my Week one prediction Week
one at Jets. That's Sean macfree one at Jets.

Speaker 8 (52:10):
I feel like it's a timing thing, a schedule.

Speaker 4 (52:13):
Yeah, I think that. I think that is the issue currently,
and it judgs back to what we talked about about
fifteen minutes ago. He has a job and he's kind
of busy on NFL Sundays. So I don't know, I
don't know what the status of the statue is now.
Definitely status of the statue, it's not easy to.

Speaker 1 (52:32):
It's think commission I don't know. I just want to
you commissioned a statute, what else do you do?

Speaker 8 (52:38):
Do you think it's done and it's just like a
storage somewhere.

Speaker 4 (52:41):
You think it looks like Dwayne Wade or Ronaldo Rinaldo's statue?

Speaker 8 (52:46):
Is I'm certain?

Speaker 1 (52:47):
Well, I mean, look, I don't know what it looks like,
but I would just say, like, I hope that it
looks like Brady like, but football playing Brady like. I
would say, if you had to pick between helmet and
helmet off. I think i'd lean towards helmet on like
I would to play.

Speaker 4 (53:00):
I don't know anything about it.

Speaker 1 (53:02):
And he's just you know, standing there like I wouldn't
want that Abe Lincoln or something not for me. I'm
not sure I get this one. Maybe you guys can
get it from Christopher and Clemson South Carolina Afternoon PF
as we begin to gear up for the upcoming season. Stuff.
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Speaker 4 (53:19):
Yours PFW in progress. Now it's PU.

Speaker 1 (53:23):
Everyone's enthusiasm is on the rise for their currently undefeated team.
Which performance indicators are you most looking forward to seeing?
When in the past I e OTA's training camp first
quarter of the season, were you able to confirm that
your indicator showed about the team? So I think I
get what he's getting at, which I do think is
an interesting question because so hard to discern in training camp.

(53:47):
I've now watched I don't know, six training camps with you,
and I think you can kind of tell a little bit,
you know, like you don't want to believe it sometimes.
But last year was was you could tell after Philly
they were going to struggle movie.

Speaker 4 (54:00):
I think it's hard to watch practices and say they're
going to do this well and they're going to struggle
at this last year. In the year before too, were
definitely outliars to me. They were so bad offensively. They
struggled so much offensively in my view for practice. Usually

(54:21):
in practice you find a way to complete passes and
move that it's not always going full tilt, so the
defensive backs aren't breaking on receivers to knock passes away.
You know, there's not a lot of contact. So generally
the completion percentages are very high. The last two seasons
it hasn't been very high. Like you could see they

(54:41):
were going to struggle offensively. But I don't know if
you can watch that and say, well, this team's just
not very talented. They're going against each other. You're right.
When they went to the joint practice against Philadelphia and
got pushed around like a little boy, it was hard
not to take that and say this could be a
long It's.

Speaker 1 (55:00):
Hard too, because I think I wouldn't have thought the
defense would be that bad last year, and but injuries
really hit, and you know that kind of started to
unravel things. You know, Dugger was banged up all year,
Bentley was out, Peppers had his issues. I mean, we
go right down, you know, Christian Barmore, of course at
that point shoot on. You know, it's ah so. But

(55:21):
I think also of like a guy like Jalen Polk
that we watched have a pretty consistent camp and then
he can go the other way to a few games
and you know, I think that touchdown that wasn't was
really weird.

Speaker 4 (55:33):
But that's a great example of why I don't think
you can necessarily do it that way the way the
emailer is looking for it, because I would say rookie
year Taekwon Dowton looked like he could play, and certainly
rookie year Jalen Polk last year looked like he was
going to be a big part of the offense. And
then all of a sudden it happens for real and

(55:54):
it doesn't look the same way. Because practice is practice,
and you can you can glean some stuff. What I
always take away from it is I look and I watch,
and I say, Okay, this Malcolm Butler kid who's a
rookie who I don't have any idea who he is.
They look like they kind of like him because he's
in a lot of groups with like Devin mccordy and

(56:15):
Stefan Gilbert. You know these other guys that you know
are gonna play. Why do they keep putting him out there?
They must like this kid, and you can extrapolate that
kind of stuff, but I'm not gonna tell you I
knew at the end of that year he's gonna make
the play of the NFL.

Speaker 1 (56:30):
That was the same for me witnessing them when you
that year of just thing pick.

Speaker 4 (56:37):
Out there all the time, he's gonna play. You know
he's gonna play. At the same time last year when
it's a revolving Dora at tackle was telling you they
don't have any idea who's gonna play tackle. You could
see it.

Speaker 1 (56:50):
It's also interesting I thought at the receiver position last
year and again this year that they had a lot
of bodies, not a lot of delineation for who's the
best every but he is kind of specific roles. But
it was interesting last year watching Kashan Boudi emerge, not
somebody that really you know, started the parade.

Speaker 4 (57:08):
For and again not in training camp. It was once
the game started, it was like him and pull changed roles.

Speaker 1 (57:15):
I think that's the point too. Paul is that once
the season starts, things can change quickly quick whether it's injuries,
whether I mean I made the point with Polk the
game that he didn't get his back foot in thought
he had the game winning touchdown, and really, for me,
it looked like from that point was when he just
started to lose his confidence and needed to hit the
reset button. Never really was able to. Then got hurt

(57:36):
at the end of the year.

Speaker 3 (57:37):
But quickly.

Speaker 1 (57:39):
I've said it before that last year showed me last
two years that every loss makes it worse. Every loss,
things get worse, People get a little bit more pissed,
people get a little bit more clipped, and you know,
it's just it's not fun to be around a team
that continues to drop games, especially when you feel like
they've kind of lost lost the plot. I guess it
was like you're not really gunning for the playoffs anymore.

(58:00):
War you're just kind of trying to run the string
out here at the end of the season. But Polk's
such a great example of that where I just head scratcher,
thought he'd be productive, thought he would at least contributing.

Speaker 4 (58:11):
And there's a lot of guys, but you know, when
you have your fifty three man roster when the season
opens and you look and you're like, oh, that guy
was here and he was starting. And then all of
a sudden, it's like ten twelve weeks later and you're like, wow,
I don't even remember him being on the team, you know.
And there are different examples of different caliber players. I
remember the year that they had the you know, all

(58:33):
the tight ends, Scott Channing, Remember Scott Chandler. Scott Chandler.
At the beginning of the year, you're like, this guy,
he's gonna he's gonna be a big part of this team.
And he catches a touchdown, I want to say, on
opening night against Pittsburgh. And then by the time that
season's oh, you don't even remember Scott Chandler was part
of the team, yeah, let alone being part of the offense.

Speaker 1 (58:52):
I called him Scott Chandler. Of course, that was like
the never ending search to find the calm ement to Gronk,
Like every year there was a new but they had
fourths tight ends and they're gonna do this, you know, revolutionary,
and by the time you get like five six weeks in,
it's like, no, Okay, that didn't work.

Speaker 4 (59:11):
Yeah, and you just have to regroup, you know.

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Exclusions apply, Buddy, Welcome to the PU Extra Relieve read
your leftover emails I didn't get read on the show. Guys,
as always, send your emails to podcasts at Patriots dot
com because if the guys don't read them, we will.

Speaker 3 (01:01:23):
Chris Alex get into it's been a while. Yeah, a lot,
a lot's happened.

Speaker 8 (01:01:28):
But thank god that's over.

Speaker 15 (01:01:30):
First.

Speaker 20 (01:01:30):
Yeah, yeah, I don't know if you've heard, but we
also had a Hall of Fame announcement. As I get
into this email from Sean, Hello, gents and lady up
to say I'm upset with the Hall of the Hall
decision is an understatement.

Speaker 4 (01:01:42):
Wow.

Speaker 20 (01:01:43):
I guess I should have known when the bandwagon one
that came and came on in twenty fifteen, would vote
for the guy that has a stupid podcast to be
in the Hall of Fame over a guy that helps
start a dynasty.

Speaker 3 (01:01:53):
Yes, Edelman deserves to be in, but he needs to wait.

Speaker 20 (01:01:56):
Shame on the Hall of Fame fake committee for putting
him on the ballot. You can save those lunches for
the next four years, because this is how it's going
to go twenty twenty six. Gronk twenty twenty seven, mccordy
twenty twenty eight, Slater twenty twenty nine, Andrews. Why put
guys like Adam Adam Vinteri, Megan's Russ, Francis Welker who
should have been in before Edelman? Or that about Monty Beisel. Sorry,

(01:02:19):
I can't pronounce that right. It's a waste of time
time to change the process. You don't listen to the
fans about a uniform chain. So that's so, that's so
desperately needed. Don't know how that gets proud. Yeah, you
listen to fans for a very oh so, yeah, you
listen to fans for a very important decision.

Speaker 3 (01:02:34):
Get the process fixed.

Speaker 20 (01:02:35):
Now, as a fan of those nineties teams, it would
have been special to of Adam and parcels going together.

Speaker 3 (01:02:40):
He spelled it seam.

Speaker 20 (01:02:41):
But Sean mack Freeland, Pennsylvania, lot's take in there.

Speaker 3 (01:02:45):
Yeah, I get what he's saying. By the way, I.

Speaker 9 (01:02:47):
Understand the frustration and I agree with it. But at
the end of the day, like the younger generations are
more online, like I don't know, I think who elections
are important?

Speaker 1 (01:02:57):
You guys, you gotta get hold with these elections.

Speaker 9 (01:03:00):
Think make a bought, make it bought, and just ram
your candidate.

Speaker 21 (01:03:05):
I just think the argument too is Edelman state of
the team. There's that, and I like, again my generation,
everything I knew was winning growing up, and I attributed
that with Edelman, Brady kral.

Speaker 20 (01:03:19):
Well, Minitarry kicked off like our generation and that being said,
like got to vote online like the older people prior't
voting online. But I think this lineup he has might
be pretty I mean, he's Gronk.

Speaker 9 (01:03:31):
Most of that email is the fact that McCarty's already
going to be ready to rock.

Speaker 20 (01:03:36):
But he also left he left out his career, he
left out High Tower, like like that being said, like Adam,
but Hary is gonna get pushed down.

Speaker 3 (01:03:44):
I think, I know, I may.

Speaker 21 (01:03:45):
I think Gronk is that next year, but then Pastor,
I think he's gonna win.

Speaker 15 (01:03:50):
Over a mccordy in that first year. I just think.

Speaker 9 (01:03:56):
That's going to bring up another question is who gets
in first High Tower mccordy. Yeah, I've had so many
so like there are plays that High Tower made in
multiple Super Bowls that were not winning those games without
clutch playing.

Speaker 21 (01:04:08):
Indeed, I also think though the Devons, I mean they
both had long jeviny, but I think Devin's like overall leadership,
Like they're both leaders, but I think overall, like Devin
was more like that focus like on the defense.

Speaker 20 (01:04:22):
You know, so we got we got that Edelman this year,
and I think you can pencil in Gronk.

Speaker 3 (01:04:26):
I think for the year after then then I'll get
a little interested.

Speaker 15 (01:04:29):
Yeah, I think Vin Terry will be Tony twas.

Speaker 20 (01:04:32):
He definitely deserves to be in. But all right, next one,
hilarious lines from last show. This will be interesting because
Alex wasn't on the show. We were on the show,
So all right, dear Patriots Unfiltered, Hey guys, last show,
you kind of glossed over two lines that made me
laugh out loud. The first one, the first one of
the darkest. That was one of the darkest, funniest things
I've ever heard. Right at my alley when Paul said

(01:04:52):
that Tim Tebow failed, I almost split up my walk.
Later in the show, Deuce was saying, the Jets are
in year fifty one of a rebuilt Thank I needed that.

Speaker 8 (01:05:00):
You got That's Thursday show I was on.

Speaker 9 (01:05:03):
Okay, it was hilarious In hindsight, Duce, it's so great
for those little like quick line you just gloss over.

Speaker 15 (01:05:10):
But they really have been in a rebuild album.

Speaker 20 (01:05:13):
Well, just thought, I can't get over that the Rogers
situation failed so poorly. It was either going to be
Super Bowl or I didn't think it would be as
bad as it was. No ye, like it'll be forever
etched in NFL history of him running out anniversary September eleven,
and that was a flag And now he's still signed.

Speaker 15 (01:05:30):
Trying to figure out what he's doing.

Speaker 3 (01:05:31):
I think up on the Steelers.

Speaker 21 (01:05:33):
I don't know what the whole is.

Speaker 3 (01:05:35):
Yeah, all right.

Speaker 20 (01:05:36):
Clip with the Commander's draft room. Hey, everyone, just curious
event you saw the video of the Commander's draft room
from a few years ago.

Speaker 3 (01:05:42):
It's been circulated on the internet.

Speaker 20 (01:05:44):
It was really interesting to see the Patriots try to
move up, probably for Gonzalez, only the Commanders traded up instead.

Speaker 3 (01:05:50):
How we still ended up with the better player. Would
love to know your thoughts.

Speaker 20 (01:05:52):
Eric from Rochester, he asked, Christian from LA seems like
the type of guy who would have passed on Gonzo.

Speaker 3 (01:05:57):
Why would he do that? So for this, Bean said,
have you seen the clip?

Speaker 4 (01:06:00):
Have not?

Speaker 3 (01:06:01):
Have you say so? Similar to the similar to the Eagles.

Speaker 20 (01:06:04):
With the Justin Jefferson thing where they got laughed about
them not taking him.

Speaker 3 (01:06:08):
It was Commander's draft room. They're trading up.

Speaker 20 (01:06:11):
Van Ness got taken and then their GM was like
we're taking Forbes.

Speaker 3 (01:06:16):
Like it's like between Gonzon and Fores like.

Speaker 20 (01:06:18):
Forbes is the better player, which is interesting because now
Forbes is not even on the team anymore. He's on
the Rams and the Pats got very lucky. So a
bit of that could be the Commander's Nikhil Harry's situation
with their cornerback issues.

Speaker 21 (01:06:33):
Yeah, I think the Pats locked out with Gonzo for sure.
Forbes had a lot of upside coming into that draft.
He was I think one of the I think he
was the top rated to get back get in the draft, so.

Speaker 15 (01:06:43):
I mean said a lot.

Speaker 20 (01:06:45):
Yeah, he did little a lot, which is crazy because
I'm pretty sure if you redrafted that he'll be top five.

Speaker 21 (01:06:50):
Gonzo is one of the best covery corners that organ
so I and in the pack twelve where they packed
telve at the time back then. So I mean, I
don't know, it's it's definitely up for debate. But it's like,
how do you know in that moment, what hell these
players would turn out?

Speaker 1 (01:07:05):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 21 (01:07:06):
So it's like kind of hard dolling coutos kind of
back and forth.

Speaker 20 (01:07:09):
Yeah, all right, Hi guys, are you surprised that the
Patriots did not draft a quarterback?

Speaker 3 (01:07:14):
Quin uers would have been a good pickup.

Speaker 20 (01:07:15):
Is there any news of Pats interest in any free
agent quarterbacks or trades?

Speaker 3 (01:07:19):
Yemmy in Texas, do sign any undrafted guys?

Speaker 1 (01:07:23):
I didn't.

Speaker 3 (01:07:24):
I think.

Speaker 20 (01:07:26):
There's reports that we were bringing in a camp body
more or less. But right now we got Drake May,
Josh Dobbs, obviously, Joe Milton what the Cowboys Paul always says.
I mean, there's no like, it's not bad to drafted quarterback.
It's good business because you're gonna hit on one. I'm
a little surprised, but personally, I think this franchise might
be a little traumatized.

Speaker 3 (01:07:46):
The Bailey Zappi, Matt Jones, de Vacle.

Speaker 8 (01:07:49):
And then even the Joe Milton ye, which.

Speaker 3 (01:07:51):
You heard some stuff, but you know, you know, you
don't know.

Speaker 15 (01:07:54):
But you never know the full story.

Speaker 3 (01:07:55):
Dobbs.

Speaker 20 (01:07:56):
Dobbs is a great veteran, He's been in the league
for a long time. That's what you want with.

Speaker 21 (01:07:59):
The back they're locked. You obviously drinks your starter. Dobbs
is a really solid backup quarterback. I mean kind of
serves a similar role. If Drake were to have started
all year last year and Scobian with actually just kind
of that he's been been.

Speaker 15 (01:08:13):
Doing it for a while. He's been in for a while.

Speaker 21 (01:08:14):
So those two are locks, and as far as whoever
comes in as well, Like I mean, they're just gonna.

Speaker 15 (01:08:21):
Learn from those two ahead of them.

Speaker 21 (01:08:23):
So I think grant scheme of things that extra person,
regardless of who it is, I don't think it matters
too much to kind of what's going on, just more
in the fact that you can develop and kind of
grow onto them.

Speaker 8 (01:08:32):
I think it just speaks to to just the type
of draft it was. It wasn't a quarterback to you know, not.

Speaker 15 (01:08:37):
All I'm drafting Shandora.

Speaker 20 (01:08:41):
That would have been crazy if he's just there, all right.
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Speaker 22 (01:09:35):
I mean, I think it's a balancing act. And I
mean I think building a team, you don't want to
get too young. You want to still have some veteran presence.

Speaker 1 (01:09:41):
But uh, but did you hear that? You know?

Speaker 22 (01:09:44):
I also don't think you can turn it all over
to we haven't even eaten yet, Fred. What are they doing, Matt,
Matt's going to take care of business?

Speaker 4 (01:09:57):
It down?

Speaker 22 (01:09:58):
Why was this marine must ties the bandana first for
some reason?

Speaker 20 (01:10:01):
Like what is Rambo?

Speaker 1 (01:10:05):
Like?

Speaker 4 (01:10:05):
What is that look? But I'm coming to get you, Yeah, Todd, I.

Speaker 22 (01:10:12):
Would just say, though I think generally, you know, Paul
and I are the same page. It's just like this
team has to get younger.

Speaker 1 (01:10:16):
They gotta get younger. And so that guy's dead now,
everybody so covering blood neutralizes the word.

Speaker 3 (01:10:24):
We use that.

Speaker 4 (01:10:26):
The fastest I've ever seen you disposed of my body.
That was impressive.

Speaker 3 (01:10:30):
I'm good.

Speaker 4 (01:10:31):
That's good.

Speaker 13 (01:10:32):
I don't have to be a witness being on the phone.

Speaker 21 (01:10:34):
Right, No, you don't know what happened.

Speaker 1 (01:10:36):
I don't know what happened, saying he didn't see anything.

Speaker 3 (01:10:38):
Thanks Todd, appreciate it.

Speaker 20 (01:10:39):
That's another great moment from Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:10:44):
That's why we put on the on air sign outside
so that people know there's more helped before they get
put out.

Speaker 8 (01:10:51):
Today they're wowed out there.

Speaker 1 (01:10:52):
Well, kenderl Mar's got a big set and clean.

Speaker 8 (01:10:54):
I love that Math's not here today, but he set
himself up with like a nice clip that makes him
look real good.

Speaker 1 (01:10:59):
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but no one wants to talk about that one. But anyway,
we heard from Williams Kendrick Bourne when.

Speaker 8 (01:11:27):
You brought up your books you were reading earlier.

Speaker 1 (01:11:29):
I thought nobody wants to around Nobody ever wants to
hear about what books you're reading, right like, and you're
in your own world reading your book and you just
want to talk to somebody about it sometimes, but you
don't want to. There's no way to bring it out
without being like, I'm reading a book, actually, let me
tell you about it.

Speaker 8 (01:11:42):
As bad as fantasy, fantasy, but.

Speaker 4 (01:11:45):
Rather listener, you talk about the books that you're reading
than someone's fantasy. Fair enough the golf game.

Speaker 1 (01:11:50):
I appreciate that. I just feel like we're bad.

Speaker 8 (01:11:52):
We sat down and the first thing you said to
me today was about holding out for one fifty.

Speaker 4 (01:11:57):
Did I tell you anything else?

Speaker 8 (01:12:00):
No, No, just that you know someone all hold out
from one.

Speaker 1 (01:12:09):
That's not exaggerated on that's ridiculous. That's pretty good though,
And so now you're you're back in on golf. That's
how it works with golf, right like, you hit one
really because I retired, I can't wait to get back out.
So guys, we heard from Williams and Kendrick Wormer over
there speaking a little bit. Caught some of the highlights.
Kendrick Bourne very excited to have Josh McDaniel's back, probably

(01:12:31):
no surprise had maybe the best year of his career
there with Josh back in twenty twenty one, and No
Williams had thought out a good story that everybody tweeted out.
You know, somebody tells the story to podium. He gets
seventeen different accounts from it within three seconds. But he
said he was leading a sprint race and kind of
let up a little bit at the end, and Rabel
yelled at him a little bit and said, you know,
you got to set the tone. Don't wait up for

(01:12:52):
anybody you know'll finish as hard as you can. So
in a little little glimpse behind the curtain there of
of Mike Rabel with mil Williams, who's going to be
a huge part of this team this year, arguably the
biggest free agent signing, not just for this team, but
one of the biggest free agency fishes this year. Talking
to Derek Haynes at Derek Havens and Steve Balas Schueri yesterday,

(01:13:13):
who said hello on their podcast, but they had a
good question.

Speaker 4 (01:13:18):
Two of my favorite blogger types.

Speaker 1 (01:13:19):
Oh great guys, But we were talking just a little
bit about the defensive line, as you know, I am,
I am want to do. That's probably why they had
you on. Yeah right, that's exactly right. But just wondering
how it's gonna all come together. It seems like Barmore
has been around, which is encouraging. All we know is
we've seen him in pictures working out here, which I
just take as a positive sign. I don't know what
his prognosis is right now, if he's beyond it, if

(01:13:40):
he's still dealing with it, but he's here. That's encouraging.
Getting him and Milton Williams out there at the same time,
that feels like that's the special sauce for this Patriots defense.
If they can get those two guys, and this defense
has largely been remade, I think schematically it's going to
be all new to us, and you guys all make
fun of me, but I'm excited to get out there
and just see what it looks like a little bit.

(01:14:02):
Last point, I just want to bring up Paul, because
we didn't talk about it. Was Terrell Williams, which was
also announced Friday you brought that had a health issue.
Spoke with reporters on Friday afternoon, catching people up really
His message was, don't take things for granted, take care
of yourself. I think he's intimated that he had taken
things a little bit for granted, maybe not taking as
good a care of himself as maybe he could have said.

(01:14:25):
He's still been very involved with the team, checking in
via zoom, all that stuff. Hopefully he's back soon. And
he lastly had high praise for Zach Kerr, who was
with him in Tennessee, who will be kind of running
the defense, leading the defense at least in person until
Terrell Williams is able to get back. So unfortunate news
kind of the first little bit of I don't know,

(01:14:45):
think it didn't break great for the Patriots.

Speaker 4 (01:14:46):
I would say this offseason. Otherwise, they've had.

Speaker 1 (01:14:48):
A pretty good offseason and things have generally broken in
their favor. But we'll see when he's able to get back.

Speaker 4 (01:14:53):
So hope he can get back sooner than it.

Speaker 8 (01:14:55):
Was encouraging that he was able to hop on a
zoom because to me, it looks like he's probably trending
towards getting better and coming back, or as if I
think it were still a more dire situation, maybe they
would still just be like they.

Speaker 1 (01:15:10):
Let him speak for himself, right, I mean that was
Brabel came out, made the announcement and then said we're
gonna actually let you guys speak with Terrell in person
on Friday afternoon.

Speaker 4 (01:15:18):
So yeah, I was.

Speaker 1 (01:15:18):
I was encouraged by that too, and again just had
such he got really emotional talking about Mike Rabel and
what Mike Frabel is meant to him from the trailer
we saw earlier a couple of weeks ago for Fortune
in Foxborlle. He said, you know, yes, the opportunity to
be a defensive coordinator was the reason to come here,
but really the biggest reason was Mike Rabel. So you
just like you see the loyalty from the guys that

(01:15:40):
he's worked with, that they want to work with him.
I mean stretch John Striker was out with the Rams.
I mean, I don't know exactly. I think it was
game management kind of stuff, but still an excellent organization
out there in the Rams there one year. Didn't hesitate
jump right back to Mike Frabel. Seem everybody knew that
that was going to happen as well. Uh just says

(01:16:01):
it means good things to me. I just no one's
surprised that I'm excited about my friend Will being the
coach of this team, but everything that's kind of gone
on since he's got back, I just I think it's
it's really encouraging and it's exciting to watch this football
team come together. I've only I was leaning about it, PAULI,
I've only I've seen like, oh, I've seen three coaches
like here, you've only seen four. You've been here like five.

Speaker 4 (01:16:20):
Times last year Peter Carold was my first year.

Speaker 23 (01:16:24):
Other than that, because in my mind, I was trying
to compare, like, because we've seen some joint practices too,
so I have some experience seeing how other teams kind
of run things a tiny bit.

Speaker 1 (01:16:37):
It's always when you do those joint practices, it's always
geared towards joint practices, so you don't know if you're
getting the real practice. Example was when we were down
in Philly, remember a couple of years ago, everyone were
talking about Philly's doing shorter practices. There we went and
then yeah, it was it was a very different practice
than we were used to watching for the Patriots. So
I love that kind of stuff. Love getting the.

Speaker 4 (01:16:58):
Same to the super Bowl twice in three years, right, true?

Speaker 1 (01:17:02):
Really you bring that up again.

Speaker 4 (01:17:03):
It's amazing to be on the practice field for eight
hours to find a way to win games if you
have talent. But I one thing that you said that
I really agree with is just how the defense has
been remade and they're gonna be I don't know, a
half dozen minimum new starters, right, I mean Harold Landry
and Milton Williams and Robert Splaine, not Sperlaine, but Spillane.

(01:17:28):
Uh yeah, I mean Carlton Davis, and that they're going
to be a number of guys playing prominent roles that
are that are new. And now the you know, like
you guys know how I always operate. Mike is a
defense guy. I'm the concern guy. I get worried about
stuff because that's just my upbringing. And how does it

(01:17:50):
all fit together? How do the new how do the
new piece at the most so then you even can
imagine now, but how they all how the new pieces
all fit together?

Speaker 1 (01:17:59):
And what worries you most right now, Paul Perillo about
this team Patriots.

Speaker 4 (01:18:04):
For the Patriots in general, would be the offense and
can they can they be better?

Speaker 11 (01:18:09):
Can?

Speaker 4 (01:18:09):
If you have to pigeonhole me into one thing, Drake May.
Does Drake May take the year two jump and, you know,
sort of cut back on the mistakes and become the
guy that we all think he can be. Or does
he sort of stagnate and like kind of stay that

(01:18:30):
super talented but erratic rookie that we saw last She.

Speaker 8 (01:18:34):
Tapes out too Now, you know, like it's not like
he's this young fresh guy coming into the NFL. No
one really knows what to expect other than what they
saw from college. And now he has a whole season
that he put together and started.

Speaker 1 (01:18:45):
There was one player you could think of, you what's
your number one? No, I think that that's a really
good one. I feel like the defense will be good enough.
I think that they have an aggressive scheme. I think
they might get gashed at times with big plays because
that's lived by the sword by the sword. But I
think they'll do enough to be able to disrupt opposing offenses.
But I guess the question I was thinking about when

(01:19:06):
you said that is who's second behind Drake? Who can
do the most to help Drake have that year? Is
it Stefon Diggs getting to the level he was at
with the Bills and what he did for Josh Allen,
is it the offensive line getting stabilized?

Speaker 4 (01:19:21):
And I would say that, I would say the second one,
and you know kind of Josh McDaniels falls into that.
You know, how much better does the entire operation look
because it's more cohesive in terms of its structure. And
I would put that on Josh.

Speaker 1 (01:19:35):
Yeah, that's what I'm interested to see. Just when we
get out to OTAs next week, that'll be something. Again.
It's not so much the players the performance, but just
not that we're getting back to who has the walkie talkie?
Remember those days in.

Speaker 4 (01:19:46):
Twenty twenty two, who's got the walkie?

Speaker 1 (01:19:49):
Who's calling the place? We didn't know? But now that
that Josh is back, just that was I spent a
lot of time watching him during the rookie mini camp
practice too, but he was a little more hat hands
off than I thought maybe he would have been. I
don't know if if if there had been Drake May,
was there a rookie quarterback that he really had a
couple of kids, your kid from Brown as well as
who is the the other player, the other quarterback? I'm

(01:20:11):
blanking on his name, will the other guy? I got it,
I got it written down right, let's see. That's why
I bring my death chart everybody. Yeah, Ben Woolridge, Ben Woolridge,
not will wolves Ridge from Louisiana. Louisiana. So I thought
those guys looked okay, wolds Reach guy's got a chance.
But yeah, I'm just interested to see the dynamics of
who's coaching who and who's wearing all that. We'll get

(01:20:33):
another guns next week.

Speaker 4 (01:20:34):
A lot of change, a lot of change.

Speaker 1 (01:20:36):
Jump out Alex's Neck of the Woods and agawam, it's Patty, Hey,
Patty going on everyone much? What's going on with you?

Speaker 13 (01:20:47):
Driving back to my shop, I'm done, I'm pretty much
done with work for the day. But I just want
to do all you were talking about Drake May and
the second year jump, and just to kind of piggyback
off of that, I'll give you one of the reasons
why I'm optimistic, and that's, you know, the fact that
he did look good last year. You know, he looked

(01:21:08):
a little erratic. But I'll say I'll kind of mammullion
on that and say I think he's gonna look a
lot better with this coaching staff, especially with Josh McDaniels.
But another big reason why I'm I'm very optimistic. Is
I just look at like the first four picks at
least offensively like that they made this year, and I'll
even lump in Folk. I'm not going to give up

(01:21:29):
on them. You know, the Crafts, the bet this year,
I'll give up on him. But like the oldest guy,
the oldest guys are full twenty three. Kyle Williams is
twenty three, and everyone else is younger than that. And
I think if they can all develop like together and
learn and you know, make mistakes and learn from their mistakes,
I mean, we got even if they're all just good,

(01:21:52):
good players, you know, we got a pretty good young nucleus.
And I just wanted to see what you guys had
to say about that. And that's it. I'll talk the
guys either Thursday or next week, NICs.

Speaker 1 (01:22:03):
Patty, to find out how competition plays out.

Speaker 4 (01:22:07):
Hard to say I'll tell you about the young nucleus
this time next year. I have no idea. Yeah, I
mean I didn't really get the whole youngest thing. What
about Diggs, what about Bourn, Hunter, Henry? I mean, those
are the guys that I think are going to be instrumental.
I would even throw to Mario Douglas in there, if

(01:22:28):
it's going to be we're just going to rely on
Kyle Williams as a rookie third round pick and Jalen
Polk to somehow overcome his struggles from a year ago.
I don't think they're going to be in great shape,
but I would expect Digs to at least be competent.
At the very baseline, he's going to be a competent receiver.
I think to Mario Douglas will benefit from being a

(01:22:49):
Josh McDaniel's scheme. And I think Kendrick Bourne, as you
mentioned a little while ago, had his best year as
an NFL player, So can Josh mcgenial still tap into that.
Or they look at Born and say he's a guy
we need to move and we need to make way
for Kayshawn Booty. But those are the guys like I
don't really care how old they are now. Is it
a nice thing if Kyle Williams turns in let's just

(01:23:13):
see seventy seventy five catch, eight hundred yard season as
a rookie, Well, that is fantastic to have a young
receiver like that that can go the next four or
five years with Drake May, that would be absolutely ideal,
but I don't need it to be that way. I
don't have any problem if it's to Mario Douglas making
that leap or Stefan Diggs sort of solidifying the whole

(01:23:37):
thing and making making life easier on on Drake May.
I don't really care how it happens. Would it be
ideal if it's it's a couple of the younger guys
Jalen Polk bounces back, and everything that we thought we
saw in training camp last year we see this year
in the regular season.

Speaker 15 (01:23:52):
Great.

Speaker 1 (01:23:53):
Yeah's who's the chain mover? That's my question.

Speaker 4 (01:23:56):
Because I think it's got to be Douglas. I mean,
but if you go to the whole Josh McDaniels thing
with that volume slot.

Speaker 1 (01:24:03):
Guy, doesn't he scare you with him as a volume guy?

Speaker 4 (01:24:06):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:24:06):
With his size.

Speaker 4 (01:24:07):
Yeah, and his catch radius he's small, feels like And
now Welker had a small catch radius and he caught
a million passes. So I'm not telling you it can't happen.

Speaker 1 (01:24:16):
They're all just so specific, and it's born has an
element of run after catch. I would say he's a
little bit of a gadget kind of a guy. Booty
is an outside guy who was pretty much shots right
shots to him.

Speaker 4 (01:24:30):
I mean there wasn't a lot of but Henry can
do that too. Henry can chain mover kind of thing.

Speaker 1 (01:24:35):
That's why I still hold out a little bit of
hope for Jalen Polk. I just I think he's got
the size. I don't know if he has the quickness
necessarily to get open as consistently as Josh might like
him to, but his physicality it stands out to me.

Speaker 4 (01:24:48):
And just gonna make a prediction. Ready for a prediction,
let's go. Fred always likes to tease me because I
pre arrange my fights in my head. Right, I invent
that he Polk had a great campus.

Speaker 1 (01:25:01):
No he didn't.

Speaker 4 (01:25:02):
That's going to be the debate. That's my prediction. There
are going to be an element of people saying bounce
back year two. Yet, well, I mean, look, look, everybody
wrote off Polk, and then there's gonna be another segment
of fans that are going to say, yeah, we wrote
them off, and he said, this is what we saw
last year, he thinks, and who knows who's gonna end
up being right. But that's gonna happen. There's going to

(01:25:24):
be a wildly differing opinion on Jalen Polk once training
camp is over.

Speaker 1 (01:25:29):
He's intriguing to me just the way that Josh views
his skill set and how he can play with that
A little bit. I think I don't know how.

Speaker 4 (01:25:38):
To compare him to like with Josh as had in
the past, Givens.

Speaker 1 (01:25:45):
Is that wrong? You saw more Givens in person than
I ever did, But I just see him as a
bigger kind of physics.

Speaker 4 (01:25:49):
So I would say if he was Givens, that's kind
of feeding into what I'm saying about how wildly different
people's version are going to be. Like he could play
like that and a lot of people would say, yeah,
he's a bust and he could play like that, and
a lot of people say, see he's got something. You know.

Speaker 8 (01:26:10):
I wonder how much of it was mental for him
last year.

Speaker 4 (01:26:13):
I think it was a big like it was a
big part of me. That's why I worry about it.

Speaker 8 (01:26:16):
Getting one? Was it once or twice early in the season.

Speaker 1 (01:26:18):
That well, there was one he didn't get feet inbounds,
and I think he thought was a big drop. And
then there was one in the back of the end
zone that his heel came down, and I think he
thought of it.

Speaker 4 (01:26:27):
And my bigger problem was that he thinks he was
in he thinks they were catches. That's my bigger problem
with it. And so instead of just saying ah, and
I was close, Yeah, what could have been, It's like
I'm now I'm fighting everybody.

Speaker 8 (01:26:39):
And then wasn't there a thing where Gerrod was kind
of just chalking it up to like it's a mental thing,
he'll learn and he'll grow. And then he walked. He
kind of contradicted.

Speaker 4 (01:26:47):
That he got met like, yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:26:49):
A maturity, mental thing. Hopefully he gets past that this year.
That's my opinion.

Speaker 4 (01:26:53):
I totally agree with you. That was the biggest problem, Alex,
and that's why I'm worried about it. Well, that's it's
hard to just sort of magically fix. Well.

Speaker 8 (01:27:02):
I wonder if Rabel will just kind of just demand
a lot better, Like I think Rabel commands a room
differently than Gerrod did, whereas I think they all really
liked Gerad. But it's like it's your friend, it's not
your I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:27:17):
Yeah, I hear what you're saying. And again, this is
going to go back to what I said of not
trying to crap on last year's not But do you
feel like that offensive coaching staff brutal gave him enough
tools to be successful, and once things started to go sideways.

Speaker 4 (01:27:34):
With it, they gave him too much too soon.

Speaker 1 (01:27:35):
Well, I know they said that. They said that, and
that wasn't really what I was trying, And that wasn't
really what I was trying to get at. It was
more just they didn't know how to save them. They
didn't know how to when you see a receiver, maybe
you have experienced with this Paul hitting a wall or
hitting a rookie wall. That happens a lot, how to
get somebody out of that funk. Because for him, after

(01:27:56):
that moment with his heel in the end zone, it
was a consistent.

Speaker 4 (01:28:01):
But that's my point about why I worry more about
the mental because if you just look, he drops some
passes last year. Receivers drop passes sometimes. But if you
if you're really having a problem with concentration, focus catching
the ball, you just I mean, you're catching a thousand
balls off the drugs machine before every practice, you know,
you just really like, I gotta focus. It's a physical

(01:28:22):
thing and I can get over the hump. Yes, it's
part of it is mental, but it's a physical thing.
I need to catch the ball. When it's a mental
thing and you're dealing with these kinds of it's it's hard.

Speaker 8 (01:28:31):
Like media asking about it always constantly.

Speaker 4 (01:28:35):
But you know, like I was, this is going to
come as a shock to most. Like when I when
I played, when I pitched in college and my whole life,
I was always hard on you know, the umpires, Like
the umpires would drive me crazy, right, and I never
wanted to be that guy, but I always ended up
being that guy all the time, no matter how much

(01:28:55):
I thought about it, no matter how much I I
focused on. Okay, no matter what happens today, I'm not
going to give the umpire a hard time, not going
to give him a second look. I'm not gonna bitch.
I'm just gonna pitch. I should have used that, right.
I never I was never brought enough to come up
with that back in the day. But I would. I
would sit there and I would pitch, and I would

(01:29:16):
go like six innings, seven innings, and I'd be like
I felt like the Empire didn't miss one pitch. This
is like great you know, five innings, six innings, seven innings.
All of a sudden, I have like a two to
two pitch in in the eighth inning, and he missed it,
and he missed it, and I'd lose my have a
love in mind?

Speaker 1 (01:29:35):
Now you miss one like one pitch.

Speaker 4 (01:29:37):
I was like, what happened? You had this whole thing
like you would go. You were staying calm today, And
as soon as I thought I got wronged once, I would.
I would flip, you know, not openly, but I would.

Speaker 1 (01:29:49):
I would.

Speaker 4 (01:29:50):
It would bother me.

Speaker 8 (01:29:51):
Perspectives, every would bother me, perspectives everything, Like if you
think the world's out to get you, yes, you think
the world's.

Speaker 4 (01:29:57):
Out there, the world is all to get you something,
it's probably not. I tell Mike all the time. Just
because I'm parano, it doesn't mean they're not ought to
get me.

Speaker 1 (01:30:03):
It's a classic VIC quote right there, right jumping back.
I got an over under game here from Kyle I
believe in Pembroke. Yeah, there's only one Kyle, and he's
from Pembroke. Over unders, guys, here we go wins seven
point five.

Speaker 4 (01:30:18):
It's a good number, and go over. It's a good number.
I'm gonna say. I'm gonna say over because I want
to be positive.

Speaker 1 (01:30:25):
Okay, that's good. You can be negative in some of
these other ones.

Speaker 4 (01:30:28):
May passing TDS thirty point five under.

Speaker 1 (01:30:32):
That's a lot. That's a big number. I'm gonna go under.
Two May interceptions ten point five over, it's a good number.
Diggs receiving yards eight hundred point five, it's gonna say
a thousand yard seasons.

Speaker 4 (01:30:47):
I'm gonna say under on that.

Speaker 1 (01:30:48):
I'm gonna say little pup, Pup, pup, pup.

Speaker 4 (01:30:51):
I could, yeah, I could change that based on eleven games.
What I see, what he's able to do as the
off these nunfolds.

Speaker 8 (01:31:01):
I'm gonna take the positivity theme.

Speaker 4 (01:31:04):
But what you said, you said pop for Diggs.

Speaker 1 (01:31:07):
Pop.

Speaker 4 (01:31:07):
If he starts on pup, I don't think he's gonna
get eight hundred yards.

Speaker 1 (01:31:10):
So that's an easy way to say it. Eleven games only,
But he was on track for a thousand yards last year.

Speaker 4 (01:31:16):
Yes, just barely.

Speaker 1 (01:31:17):
Yeah. Williams Kyle Williams receiving yards four hundred point five,
it's a solid number.

Speaker 4 (01:31:26):
Just staying positive. I think I'm gonna say it over.

Speaker 8 (01:31:30):
I'm gonna stay over to because it's just interesting how
it's gonna shake out with how many guys they have,
you know, like there's so much competition at that position.

Speaker 1 (01:31:38):
We're going to so many questions on that over the
next two months leading up to start. I'm just gonna say, now,
I don't know. Someone probably will get hurt and someone
will get cut that you don't expect, but it's hard
to say right now. Gonzo interceptions three point five.

Speaker 4 (01:31:54):
I'm gonna take the under on that. Yeah, they think
people are going to stay away from.

Speaker 1 (01:31:57):
Them, they don't throw them.

Speaker 4 (01:31:59):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:32:00):
Key On White sacks five point five.

Speaker 4 (01:32:02):
Take the over on that. I don't think that's a
very big number.

Speaker 1 (01:32:06):
Take the over two. I'm gonna surprise some people with that.
I think the other guy's getting more attention. Maybe free
some things up for key On White to dominate games
scoring thirty plus points Paul two point five. I gotta
get back on my number of when the last time
they exceeded thirty points was.

Speaker 4 (01:32:25):
I'm gonna take the under, but that's that's a low number.
Two and a half. I mean, you get a couple
of pick sixes in the scene, you know what I mean, Like.

Speaker 1 (01:32:36):
Yeah, I'll go over bridany alex positivity training.

Speaker 4 (01:32:40):
There you go, all right, yeah, I'll change. I'll go
over just to stay on the positive.

Speaker 1 (01:32:44):
One more game scoring less than twenty five, ten point five.

Speaker 4 (01:32:49):
Under ten point five eleven times they're going to score.
Oh my god, under twenty five?

Speaker 1 (01:32:53):
What are we doing? What are you doing here?

Speaker 4 (01:32:55):
I can't you know what. I can't do it again.
I can't keep doing it. Got a punt, punt punt?
Oh man, I can't do it.

Speaker 1 (01:33:02):
Tim from Lington Spy ponders, say, Tim, what's going on?

Speaker 16 (01:33:06):
Hey guys, how's it going? I have two quick things,
and the first one is a serious football question, and
the second one since I've been listening to Unfiltered slash
PFW in progress since I was in college, it's directly
specifically at Paul Perlo. I just have a question insights,
Oh all right, my football question that I'm happy to

(01:33:28):
take both off air. My football question real quick is
I know Josh's going to have a new system for
direct well not a new system, but he could have adjusted.
It's not going to be the same as Brady. He
adjusted with Cam. He adjusted you know, in Oakland or
Las Vegas. YadA, YadA, YadA, But my football question, and
then I'll ask my TFW question, is what made Josh's

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system so much more complicated? It's the minds of some
because I listened to NFL players, like even receivers who
quote unquote got it, like Brandon Marshall talked about how
he had many playbooks throughout his career, and Josh's system
was by far the most complicated. Everyone keeps saying getting
on the same page as quarterbacks if I take it
that side adjustment, and there's players that said the route

(01:34:12):
would change three times sometimes after the snap. That was
a Patriots player to one of the Boston media. But
I can't imagine Josh's system is the only system with
side adjustments and it's not the only iteration of the
Earnhart Perkins. So the football question is what made what
made Josh's system more complicated? And are there any worries
for receivers like Polk even if it's not as complicated

(01:34:34):
as he has to think more and a large partisan
issues were with concentration. And then my PFW question, And
I waited ten plus years fast this because I didn't
want it to be in bad taste. But Paul, do
you remember when Eric went on his safari to Africa.

Speaker 4 (01:34:52):
I do do you remember how I think Andy kept
joking about him getting eaten by a lion, and you know, hey,
it would have been a bad event, but it would
have been a good story, great, great story. I believe
you called it him.

Speaker 16 (01:35:06):
Exactly well. Andy at the time, I think was also
training for the Boston Marathon, and there was some jokes
made that hey, if something happened, you know, it might
be bad, but it'd be a great story. And then
obviously the tragedy of this, yeah, you know, the marathon.
My question is, what was the reaction, you know, after
everyone knew everyone was okay and Andy got back in
the studio, was it.

Speaker 13 (01:35:26):
Like a oh crap.

Speaker 8 (01:35:28):
Uh?

Speaker 16 (01:35:29):
Yeah, I can really hear the great story stuff afterwards.

Speaker 4 (01:35:31):
I think you did the right thing, tim by waiting years,
ten years to do that, because I do think it
would have been perceived to have been in poor taste.
It did leave an impact. Andy's family was very near
the finish line at the time, so yeah, it would
have been definitely no matter how soon you did it, it
would have been too soon in my mind for Andy.

(01:35:53):
But yeah, no, I know where you're going. I see
where you're going. It's one thing to sort of joke
around about something that didn't happen and joke around what
something that did happen was that impactful?

Speaker 1 (01:36:05):
Thanks Tim appreciated, what good question.

Speaker 4 (01:36:08):
I do think that the Iarhart Perkins system relies a
lot on post snap adjustments and whatnot. I think that's
part of But I think what made it so complicated,
I think was Brady's advanced nature of it and his
ability to do more. It's probably the same kind of playbook,

(01:36:30):
but maybe Raiders receivers and Bronco's receivers didn't take it
as being as difficult as some Patriots did. And I
put that because Brady was just at such an advanced level.

Speaker 1 (01:36:40):
Yeah, I think that's a great way to put it.
It's something that I think it's forgotten when you talk
about the complexity of the system. And I mean, I've
been just as guilty saying that post snap reads are
a big part of it. I think Evan would push
back on that too and say there are a lot
of teams that do that.

Speaker 4 (01:36:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:36:56):
I think another part of it too, though, is that
you learn concepts, you don't really learn routes, and so
you learn concepts and then you can theoretically be moved
to any position on the offense. So it's not just
learning your spot, it's learning a more holistic approach, like
looking the big picture of how I can get it.
But I think you're totally right, Paul. With Brady, I

(01:37:18):
don't think he gets enough. And look, what do you
expect him to do? I mean, the guy's awesome. He's
been in the same system forever. He's got a high standard.
You've heard it now where he'd say players like you
run it that way, you ain't getting the ball like
I mean, that was how Tom Brady was. The hope
is that now Josh has started over with Drake may
and it's more of the base level, and that this

(01:37:39):
group can grow together. That goes to what one of
the earlier callers just said about the young nucleus. Well,
all right, it's great if Kyle Williams and you know,
these guys can all understand it together and that together,
Patty said.

Speaker 4 (01:37:51):
And that's a great point that you bring up, Mike,
because I don't remember a lot of people in the
first iteration of the dynasty talking about how complicated the
offense was, and that's probably not a coincidence because Brady
was at the same level in that offense as Troy
Brown and David Gibbons and David Patton and those guys
that were all, you know, a big part of his weapons.

(01:38:14):
The second part of the Dynasty, Brady is now at
a you know, super level PhD compared to the receivers
that are coming into it. He just laughs or makes
it more complicated, and.

Speaker 1 (01:38:27):
He could just look at Josh and be like Cleveland
twenty thirteen, Yeah, that's or like that shorthand we experienced
something little flex.

Speaker 4 (01:38:35):
Right there by Deuce because I don't know if you
know this, Alex, but Mike and I sat down and
we talked with Josh McDaniels, you know, about some of
brad comebacks, so you know, and when some of this
was on camera, some of it was off. We were
just riffing, you know, we're just talking ball, chewing the
fact we're just talking ball. You know, we're talking offense
in particular passing game. But that was the kind of

(01:38:56):
stuff that that Josh would throw out. Like we got
to a point where we could just look and we
talk about our game plan and be like, oh so
like Cleveland and whatever. Yeah, right, you know that that
game that we did this, this and this because Cleveland
was doing that and they just knew exactly instinctively what
each other was talking about. Why it is different now,

(01:39:17):
It's also.

Speaker 8 (01:39:18):
Like, at the same hand, well, Tom and Josh are
just becoming like they're molding into almost maybe like the
same brain. Offensively, I don't watch enough college football to
speak to this, but I hear like the game's really
been dumbed down significantly.

Speaker 4 (01:39:34):
I picked this is an element of truth.

Speaker 8 (01:39:35):
So you're also you're getting these two guys that work
together so long, and then you have guys coming in
who are used to the dumbing down to the college game,
and then it's probably a lot for them to take in.

Speaker 4 (01:39:47):
Yeah, for sure, I mean I think that's I think
there's some truth to that.

Speaker 1 (01:39:51):
You just you can't expect in I think any industry
to walk into a room where there are two guys
who have worked together for twenty years and in an
environment where it's rapid and you have to be on
top of everything, and these guys just know how to
do it together too. Then I feel for some of
these wide receivers that would come in and I think
some of it was still misscouting and not quite understanding it.

(01:40:14):
But at the same time, I think Brady always held
the bar so high for these guys and he never
really got it was always the system. It was never
really like Tom, could you just go a little easy
on mkill Harry for a couple of months and let
him get some confidence before you start not throwing the
ball to him anymore.

Speaker 4 (01:40:29):
But not every guy who failed failed because he couldn't
pick the system up. You know, like a guy like
Ocho Sinko probably struggled, you know, mentally, you know, learning
the system. But like Aaron Dobson and Taylor Price, and
you know, there was those endless string of love saying
them of second and third round receivers that came in.

(01:40:50):
They didn't all fail because they couldn't pick the system up.
Some of them probably did, But it wasn't all about that.
Nikhil Harry's problem wasn't mental. He wasn't that good, wasn't
that talented.

Speaker 1 (01:41:00):
Because at the end of the day, they're giving you
a playbook with the answers to the test. And I
would hope that if you're diligent and you study that
you cannot understand mentally, maybe physically it might not translate,
but like there's not a lot of excuse to like,
I just don't understand.

Speaker 4 (01:41:14):
Maybe another sort of really off the wall example. I
remember when they traded in what it was it eighteen
or nineteen whenever from Mohammed Sanu, and he came in
and he got like ten passes like one of the
first weeks he was here against Baltimore in that blowout loss.
But he was on the same page with Brady immediately.

(01:41:36):
He was a veteran who came in and he picked
it up. Now physically he wasn't the same guy anymore,
and I think he actually hurt his ankle in that
Baltimore game. He was a bit player the rest of
the way. He never really did anything. It was bad
trade as a result, they got too much for him.
But mentally he picked it up. He physically couldn't be
that guy anymore. Second round pick, Yeah, think you have

(01:41:57):
a second round pick for him player. Most of it's
goat to Ohio, talk to Brad, Hey.

Speaker 6 (01:42:03):
Brad, hey, crew, how are you doing this afternoon?

Speaker 1 (01:42:07):
Good? Are you man?

Speaker 6 (01:42:09):
Think? Pretty good? So just to reiterate and go back
on a couple of callers and Jalen Pope. First of all,
you know, I know you all probably agree the amount
of dysfunction that our offense was in last year, and
even the offensive line and the rookies that we had.

(01:42:29):
I mean, it's probably just hard to press to kind
of judge them based on how it functional and ankally
incompetent the whole coaching staff was compared to what we
have now, especially so I mean, I'm not even going
to say that they can't play or anything until I

(01:42:52):
acted to see him in a Josh McDaniel's offense where
they may have an opportunity to flourish some like some
of these just see as you were speaking at but
the givers where you know they weren't super gifted their
mark players d M brands, and they put right in
with Josh McDaniels. And then I think Polk had storted

(01:43:14):
like Brandon Lafel maybe or Malcolm Mitchell if he could
turn into something like that, maybe, But what do you
think about that, about how much dysfunction that we were
just trying to weep through last year to get them
on their and then mentally they didn't have no one
there to go to, like Jared Mayo just wasn't I

(01:43:38):
don't think capable of being able to harness their emotional
distress and that in that regard. So what do you
think about that stuff?

Speaker 1 (01:43:47):
Thank you, thanks Brad, anybody we got.

Speaker 4 (01:43:53):
I think it's an awfully optimistic way of looking at
your talent. Like it was all the coaches fault. Maybe
it was. I don't know. Like I've heard a lot
of I feel a lot better about X, Y and Z.
I would probably tell you that I do too, but
I don't know. I felt pretty good about a lot
of the things left. You know, Scott Peters came over

(01:44:14):
last year as the offensive line coach, and he worked
under one of the best offensive line coaches to who
has ever done it right in Callahan, Bill Callahan. Now
you're calling him dysfunctional. Maybe he was. I don't know.
I'm not behind the scenes. You guys were all talking
about the strike system and all these different things that

(01:44:36):
they were doing that were innovative or you know, a
better way to do not innovative, but maybe a better
way to go about it from a physical, you know,
technical standpoint. Now we're calling all those same things that
at this time last year I was being told how
much better it was, and now it's all dysfunctional. Maybe

(01:44:56):
it was, but maybe this is going to be dysfunctional too.
I don't know.

Speaker 8 (01:45:00):
Well, if you want to talk about dysfunctional, that year
prior with Patricia felt like the most dysfunctional.

Speaker 1 (01:45:04):
You know, absolutely didn't even have you didn't even have
a strike system.

Speaker 4 (01:45:07):
So relative to Adrian Klim was the offensive line coach
two years ago and like halfway through the year he
was gone, and then Bill O'Brien was forced to run
the offensive line meetings as well as run the offense.
Like that's dysfunction. No, like they actually didn't physically have
coaches in place. O'Brien was doing it all.

Speaker 8 (01:45:26):
I know, here's dysfunctional the offense.

Speaker 4 (01:45:28):
So like, I don't know what it's going to be
like this year. I mean, they have like three offensive
line coaches. Is that is that a recipe for dysfunction? Maybe?
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:45:39):
That's a good point. I saw the development though, from
going from twenty twenty three to twenty twenty four where
you had Scott Peters. Wow, we just have an offensive
line coach. Now we seem like we have like the
correct whole position.

Speaker 4 (01:45:51):
Everything was going to be better and.

Speaker 1 (01:45:53):
Then this year you still have that. So I like that,
But I like your point. People want to get, you know,
carried away right now. Everyone should be positive right now
in the NFL. If you can't be positive right now
when you're zero at zero and you got two months
before training camp, I feel bad for you. But you're right.
And that's what's great about this game is that until
you get on the field, guys start hitting other guys,

(01:46:14):
injuries start to pile up. How the teams manage those
things you don't truly know.

Speaker 4 (01:46:18):
Like if you think they went four and thirteen last
year because of coaching dysfunction, then I think that you're
being very optimistic because it wasn't just about I mean,
and I'm not telling you there was no coaching dysfunction.
There was, yeah, but they had a talent deficiency across
the board that led to the coaching dysfunction. They went

(01:46:39):
four and thirteen the previous year with the same kind
of talent. They brought it all back. The reason why,
if you're going to put a gun to my head
and say you got to pick one or the other,
do you think they'll be better or the same. I'm
definitely saying better because I think Mike Rabel and Elliott
Wolf and Ryan Cowden went to work in this off

(01:47:00):
season and said the problem is the players. We need
better players, and they went out and signed fifteen sixteen
free agents, ten or twelve of which I think are
going to be very important players for this team. They're
not all gonna hit, because they never all hit, but
I think there's a better chance that they get ten
or twelve guys that are playing significant roles and contributing

(01:47:22):
that are gonna be better than the guys they replaced.
If that happens, you'll be better. But I can't possibly
know that for sure without having seen it.

Speaker 1 (01:47:30):
I left that practice on Friday with the hope, seeing
how involved Mike Fable was that this is the kind
of coach that can take a player who hasn't quite
broken out yet but can provide the conditions where this
player can excel. We saw a little bit of that
last year. I would say Drake ish, I wouldn't like,
wow when amazing. I mean, he had his issues last year,

(01:47:52):
for sure, but generally I think he looked competent and
was able to demonstrate the quality skills that he has.
But otherwise on the roster. Last year, it maybe Ben
Brown is another example of somebody who came out of
nowhere and at least was serviceable played.

Speaker 4 (01:48:07):
But is that are You're going to be happy if
Ben Brown's in the.

Speaker 1 (01:48:09):
Center And that's and that's that that goes to the
heart of the point I'm trying to make, is that's
just last year there wasn't a blossoming of a player
that comes out of nowhere. And it happens a lot
across the league. There's always, you know, and I credit
a lot of that to coaching. When those unique players
all of a sudden blossom. You don't know why or how,
but and that's what I just am hoping. I'm not
sure great.

Speaker 4 (01:48:31):
Like we're talking about like the secondary and they've upgraded
the number two cornerback spot with Carlton Davis, and we
know Gonzo is there and he's you know, second team
All Pro, so we feel good about him. They might
need a third guy because Marcus Jones hasn't been able
to make it through full seasons here, so they might
need someone to augment him. If Craig Woodson could be

(01:48:53):
one of those guys that sort of blossoms into something
a little bit more than you think. He was obviously
someone they felt really good about. He was a high
fourth round pick, which means you come into Day three
and Day three opens, you had the whole night to
think about it. They traded a lot in Day three.
They moved around a lot. They didn't move out of
that spot because I think that they identified this guy

(01:49:14):
who had played six years of college football. I cal
now full disclosure. He was one of the draft profiles
that I wrote. So, yeah, but you get on board
when you when you talk to these coaches and it's yea,
is it an exception?

Speaker 8 (01:49:26):
I feel about the kicker, let's go look, but it's.

Speaker 4 (01:49:28):
Like an exceptional young man. You hear these kinds of
things and you're like, and you can.

Speaker 8 (01:49:34):
Even just in the draft. I don't know if you
guys were probably doing the show, but he probably stuck
out to me the most in the post dropt interview,
like right after being picked, it's like, Wow, this kid,
you can just tell is super intelligent.

Speaker 4 (01:49:48):
He was described to me as an A plus person,
so like if he's got some ability and all of
a sudden, he's like the sixth defensive back and he's
playing a prominent role instead of like the Jalen Hawkins
of the world or the Alex Austen's of the world.
Maybe he's better than those guys.

Speaker 1 (01:50:06):
I love that you brought him up, Paul, because he's
the one player. Referenced Giardi's piece today as well, said
the one player when you talked to split, quite sure,
it seems like Ellie Wolf and company they saw something
in him that they were willing to have a little
bit of a gamble on. There weren't didn't feel like
there were a lot of gambles in this class. Was
pretty much paint by number, which I think we all liked.

(01:50:30):
But he's a really interesting player to me and somebody
that it felt like they did their own thing on him.
And if he does blossom like that, I think it's
a positive sign in the future that if they do
go off the beaten path a tiny bit, that maybe
they're making the right decision. We got Aldred coming in
hot here right before the end of the show. Ha Aldred,
thanks for calling.

Speaker 24 (01:50:50):
Hey, Bith Alex Aldrid, Hey, question I heard some from
you earlier. Alex the picture, Yeah, where do you send
it through?

Speaker 8 (01:51:02):
We are looking for you to send a photo of
yourself in so that we can play I guess that
regular caller game.

Speaker 1 (01:51:10):
I think we all know what you look like. Eldred though.

Speaker 24 (01:51:12):
I think so my email and the Twitter. Yeah, hit
hit you up and pall up too.

Speaker 3 (01:51:19):
I think.

Speaker 4 (01:51:21):
I have you on.

Speaker 1 (01:51:22):
That's all right, You're you're in the Hall of Fame.
Hall of Fame.

Speaker 4 (01:51:25):
P that's a different category. Mount Rushmore, pulle, Well, thank you.

Speaker 24 (01:51:32):
I appreciate it. I got two questions and I'm gonna
let it go at there hit pick it off the
air quick. One is I started a rookie camp somerom
the pitches and stuff, and then had John Jaws one
of the ones from last year with the rookie anything
looking into that or they gonna do what they got
they cut them at the end of the year.

Speaker 12 (01:51:53):
Or excuse me for the year start.

Speaker 1 (01:51:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 24 (01:51:55):
And the other question is can anybody help feel for
the fireman nor Carolina coach. I didn't like him at
the GM love as the coach, but this image as
a legendary.

Speaker 4 (01:52:07):
Coach, it certainly is.

Speaker 6 (01:52:09):
Thank you.

Speaker 4 (01:52:11):
The latest from Pablo Torre is that you know there's
a one it becomes a one million dollar buyout on
June first, and he thinks that's not not all of
the rama possibility to exercise that, and he never coaches
a game for North Carolina. I'd be surprised if it went.
I think if you go through all of this, you
got to see it through at least try to get

(01:52:32):
the benefits of his coaching all the kids. But it's
a mess.

Speaker 1 (01:52:35):
Met with and promised they came there to play for him.

Speaker 4 (01:52:38):
It's a mess.

Speaker 1 (01:52:39):
It's a mess. Uh, gotta get through some emails here. Sorry,
didn't do a good enough job today reading.

Speaker 4 (01:52:43):
I think you are fantastic, mad you tell yourself.

Speaker 1 (01:52:45):
Sure, thank you. Listen, Luke and Virginia. I feel like
the roster is much more filled out and sturdy than
it's been a couple of years. But just wondering, is
there any position group or player that you feel like,
if they go down or if we suffer an injury
to that position group, we're legitimately in deep do do?
Aside from Drake, love the whole PU team. Send all
my thoughts and prayers to Evan, who's most likely in
Dante's seventh Layer right now, And the subject of the

(01:53:07):
email is I love you, Paul. So we'll shut out
from your own nice I've said it before. Harold Landry's
my guy. I don't I think that's a that's a
tough one. They were to lose him. I think they're
counting on him to be their every down defensive end.

Speaker 4 (01:53:20):
This is not fair what I'm going to answer, Will Campbell.

Speaker 1 (01:53:23):
Will Campbell, Yeah, it's a good one.

Speaker 4 (01:53:25):
Yeah, But I do think that they're sort of dangerously
thin at a number of spots. I think they've really
I agree with him. I think they've solidified the roster
in a lot of areas. They've upgraded the talent. We
just kind of chronicled some of it. But if you
get you know, a couple offensive line injuries, you know,
if Diggs can't be healthy, I think the wide receiver

(01:53:49):
group largely looks the same, which isn't good enough in
my view. Splain you know, kind of like when Bentley
goes on last year. Yep, Yeah, Milton Williams. I think
that's a little bit.

Speaker 1 (01:54:03):
Maybe why Jack Gibbons is here as a little spellin insurance.

Speaker 4 (01:54:07):
You feel good about that? I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:54:10):
No, And I wonder who's gonna start next to Splaine.

Speaker 4 (01:54:12):
As you know, I think we're gonna hear from Gibbons Thursday.
I think he said to me with the media, I
want to know a little bit more about him.

Speaker 1 (01:54:20):
Tell me tell me more about yourself.

Speaker 4 (01:54:22):
Well, no, because I kind of envisioned him as just
kind of like a scrappy like you know, underdog stories,
kind of special teamer who can play defense. But is
he more than that?

Speaker 1 (01:54:31):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:54:32):
Is maybe I'm selling I'm sure, maybe I'm being Christian.

Speaker 1 (01:54:35):
Ellen's more than that is?

Speaker 4 (01:54:36):
I don't think so.

Speaker 1 (01:54:38):
It's where there's I think this just reinforces what you're
trying to say. Is that splain every down player?

Speaker 4 (01:54:43):
For sure? I think, I mean what he's done in
the last the racers come off the field.

Speaker 1 (01:54:49):
So what happens if you lose that kind of player?

Speaker 4 (01:54:52):
Now?

Speaker 1 (01:54:52):
I mean, I think they have a little bit of
of depth to deal with, Like if a Gonza were
to go down, or Carlton Davis might thrust somebody like
Alex Austin into the mix of maybe him. Those are
always the third fourth cornerback competition.

Speaker 4 (01:55:06):
We're tight. Never spoke a little bit of a bigger,
a little bit big never spoken to the man. He
doesn't pp much like everybody else either a whole or
he doesn't have any idea.

Speaker 1 (01:55:19):
Come out from Georgia. Number one, what do you think
we can trade to get Trey Hendrickson to need New England?
And how do you guys think mac Hollins can help
this team this season? Mac Hollins probably the only receiver
we didn't mention that talking about wide receivers. And I
see him as in a trench number five, like who

(01:55:39):
has some size for the outside, has some experience, can
play a lot of special teams, has some deep playability.
I mean, I I I like the player. It's just
he's not going to be anything. He'll be the spot piece.

Speaker 4 (01:55:50):
Someone I think will go and he'll be like four.

Speaker 8 (01:55:52):
But to me, he brings like a leadership presence to
that room too. Has a real stoicism about him though
so grounded literally and figuring we.

Speaker 1 (01:56:04):
Get to the bottom of that one. And Trey Hendrickson,
I mean, look, I I keep saying it. I wouldn't
be opposed to adding another veteran.

Speaker 4 (01:56:12):
They certainly need a like a Clowney, they need a
pass rusher, but I don't see them giving up resources.
Maybe now, maybe you can get them for pennies and
the dollar.

Speaker 1 (01:56:22):
Claire, Hi, everyone, Marine, apologies, I have missed some of
the show making dinner, but it's anything been mentioned seen
on the U d F A tight end CJ Dipprey uh.
And Also I was gonna ask if I could participate
in the collar quizling but totally shot me down. Yeah, Claire,
we know what you look like. So if you can't
do it, sorry you have to sit this one out.
But we will entertain. I mean we saw CJ. There,

(01:56:45):
he's other on the sidelines right near us in the
practice on Friday. He was doing a little of a
little of this, a little three point stance. We'll get off.

Speaker 4 (01:56:53):
It's time to talk to about media, right.

Speaker 1 (01:56:57):
I talked to Haven's and and and Steve and and
Mike Debate yesterday about about you know, specifically about him.
They asked, I just, I think you always are, like
with Henry and Hooper, you're always curious if maybe a
blocking tight end could sneak on or they just happy
to use somebody like Cayden Wallace third third tackle tight
But I think it's a you know, it's a valuable

(01:57:18):
question if you get a guy with some stand in
your pants. I said to those guys. I'm like, when
do you think you would get to the point where
you're like, could we just there's no more blocking tight
ends out there, Like no tight ends can block anymore.
They're all six two two forty and you know, just
want to run around with the ball in their hands.

Speaker 4 (01:57:30):
With just the athletes. I don't blame them trying to
get them in space matchup, you know, trying to get
matchup nightmares.

Speaker 1 (01:57:36):
Not like eighty five powers. See that's but it's funny.
It's like watching some of eighty five where we talked
about this where the tight end was just an afterthought.

Speaker 4 (01:57:45):
All Derek Ramsey I think was a couple. It was
more of like an h back pass catcher. But yeah,
Lynn Dawson was what you're talking about. Rod Rutledge and
oh one. He laughed at me once when I was like,
do you think you'd be used more as a receiver
a week? He put put his arm around.

Speaker 17 (01:58:00):
He just thoughted the laugh trains left the station. Was
Wiggy was a past catcher. Wiggy was a past catcher. Ye,
he was bigger, but he was more athletic than his
than his parents. Let's do playing high school basketball. You
covered him at East Boston High.

Speaker 1 (01:58:15):
That's funny.

Speaker 4 (01:58:16):
You shut him down right, No, I covered him.

Speaker 1 (01:58:18):
Oh I thought you may cover him on defense, Harold,
take the guy who's going to be in the NFL.

Speaker 4 (01:58:27):
Looks like a good athletic matchup. I was at the
Herald at the time covering the games.

Speaker 1 (01:58:33):
Forgot about your big Jay journalism background, Small j at best.
I'm going to read this one from John Luke from
Tennessee originally Rhode Island. I would love to be able
to see the Titans game as a primetime game. Not
being selfish since I'm going to that game. Last year
was my first Patriots game. Bro got video of the
Drake May miracle. I'm thinking storylines for that game for
able versus old time team going against Cam Warred for sure.

(01:58:56):
By the way, Evan and Mike have been great hires. However,
Evan tends to come off as wine and when defending
valid points. I figured out why Deuce wanted asking genty.
There is video of asking draft prospects their nicknames, and
one of Ashton's nicknames is Deuce, so I didn't know that.
So when Mike would have been interviewing you, double duces,
we could have we could have done the double Duce
Squared two squared. I didn't know that though.

Speaker 4 (01:59:16):
The curb in a hurry, didn't he?

Speaker 1 (01:59:20):
Pep and the Deuce is a better name the Pep
in the Deuce with with Alex, we need something for
you to get you into this one.

Speaker 8 (01:59:26):
Something to do with going to the bathroom. I can't.
We'll think of it.

Speaker 1 (01:59:28):
We'll find something. All right, Well, I think that's going
to do it for us here, guys, is that we
made it through this Tuesday without our feelish leader Fred and.

Speaker 4 (01:59:35):
Great jobs checked it moving.

Speaker 1 (01:59:38):
Today. Allergies, allergies hitting me the hair no good. But
we will be back Thursday. We're expecting that Jack Gibbons
will stop in so we'll get to talk to him
a little bit about the linebacker position. You know. I'll
be excited about that. And we should have Fred back
in the mix schedule tomorrow though, stay tuned and Yesterday
documentaries on Friday. Yeah, and we'll see. We'll do a
wellness check on Evan tomorrow. See on Thursday.

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I mean to the tangible numbers. There's two give you,
just give me your there's the advantage of the fact
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Speaker 4 (02:01:08):
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