Patriots Unfiltered 5/15: 2025 Schedule Breakdown, Jack Gibbens In-Studio

Tune-in as the PU crew reacts to the Patriots 2025 schedule. How many wins can we expect and which games will be the safest/toughest? Plus, LB Jack Gibbens joins to talk about the offseason, being coached by Mike Vrabel and more!

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 1 (00:15):
Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered.

Speaker 3 (00:19):
Who stood out at Rookie Mini Camp?

Speaker 1 (00:22):
No Buddy.

Speaker 3 (00:22):
I've always thought the coaches here have had really good energy.
I mean, I thought Bill's practices were always really high
tempo and coaches running to and front drills, and it
just didn't feel like a lot of time, you know,
being wasted. But I definitely took notice of the energy
just overall from all the coaches. I'd also just highlight
Scott Booker was the safety's coach. With one guy that
really just stood out to me, booming voice, knows what

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he's looking for, watching the practice from the back end
of the defense, you know. Even Thomas Brown spending a
lot of time with Josh McDaniels on the field during
that practice as well, like someone was actually watching.

Speaker 4 (00:54):
I think having a guy like Rabel and Josh McDaniels
on him, I think Bill will limit some of the mistakes.

Speaker 1 (01:01):
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Speaker 5 (01:03):
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Speaker 2 (01:10):
All right, welcome the Patriots Unfiltered. It is Thursday here
at Gillette Stadium, and the schedule is out. That was
the big breaking news last night at eight o'clock. And
as as expected, the schedule looks good for the new
looks good. It's good, although there's some tough stretches and

(01:30):
we're going to get into that. We're gonna dissect the
what's that?

Speaker 4 (01:34):
Do you think that?

Speaker 2 (01:35):
Yeah? I do what I mean?

Speaker 3 (01:37):
Your mic is on protected?

Speaker 2 (01:38):
Yeah, it's okay, naked Mike, watch your piece.

Speaker 3 (01:42):
Dog on the show here anyway?

Speaker 2 (01:45):
Yeah, what happened to Paul Sponge? Paula you want the Sponge?

Speaker 4 (01:48):
I just want to apologize out.

Speaker 3 (01:51):
She's the one who said it's just so thank god cover.

Speaker 2 (01:55):
So we'll talk about the schedule. Congratulations Celtics. You're showing
a little Selfltics pride last night. Proud of you. Evan's happy,
he'll be stot and what else? We might have a guest?
I think we're gonna have You're gonna have a guest.
Remember the defense?

Speaker 1 (02:08):
I hope?

Speaker 2 (02:09):
Okay, well talk some ball, you can only hope. What
else do we want to talk about? We're moving into
the schedule A lot of a lot of the schedule
is very exciting.

Speaker 3 (02:19):
We have our slate of games which, uh, we knew
the opponents, and that's why I like what changed. Like,
I don't think there was an order you could have
put the opponents that would really affect the dynamic that much.

Speaker 4 (02:30):
To me, Well, you would be in the minority. Everybody
thinks this sets up very well for the Patriots.

Speaker 2 (02:36):
Well except for Paul, but anyway, I do think that
you know, it might like I already knew who they
were playing, like you know, like you know who we're
playing home and away for a long time. But I
think once you start putting it out, laying it out,
it does give a completely different dynamic to that slate
of opponents.

Speaker 4 (02:54):
I would say it can. I don't think generally it does.

Speaker 2 (02:56):
But yeah, well how they you know, you know who
they have to play before you and play after you
where it falls during the season. You know who you
open up against, who are your prime to I think
now it's now it makes it exciting, you know.

Speaker 3 (03:12):
I think the two biggest takeaways for me are won
the three game road trip in October tough, just three
road games in a row. I think that's always difficult,
not a lot of travel for the Patriots overall this year.
And lastly, just the setup.

Speaker 2 (03:23):
In terms of miles, in terms of the same amount
of travel as last.

Speaker 3 (03:27):
Year, right in terms of just not across the country twice,
and but and then just the end of the bye
week is late like it was last year in week fourteen.
So if you if you lump Cincinnati into that in
week twelve, those last I guess it's six games you're
you're looking at, let's say Jets too, So that final
bit of the schedule where you're pushing Bills, Ravens, Jets, Dolphins.

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If you're in the playoff mix, I think you can
control your own fate. If you can you can last
that long.

Speaker 2 (03:51):
I mean hopefully that those last four games means something.
That's what you're hoping for, and if they do, it's
it's to me that's the big.

Speaker 4 (04:00):
So is that why? People? And I'm just wondering because
I came in and I had one question for Mike today,
What am I missing? Why is this set up so well?
Because when I was listening to my shows driving in,
a lot of people were calling in, a lot of
people on the some of the hosts were suggesting this

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was really good news, and I kind of looked at
the way you just your facial expression just said exactly
how I thought. I didn't. I don't know if it's
when I look at what the schedule like, not as
many factors as you painted out, but I do I
would say, you know, you're going to play a Thursday
night game. Generally almost almost everybody gets a Thursday night game.
I don't know about I think that.

Speaker 3 (04:41):
I don't think. I think I don't.

Speaker 4 (04:41):
I think there's some teams that don't have any prime time.
Tennessee it doesn't have any prime I.

Speaker 2 (04:45):
Thought the rule now is everybody had to play one Thursday.

Speaker 4 (04:48):
So I always look where is the prime where is
the Thursday night game? Because I think it's an enormous
advantage to be at home. So check mark plus Patriots.
The home game is Thursday night against the Jets on
the Thursday night. I think that's a good you know,
beyond that, I'm kind of with Mike. You know, a
three game road trip is not ideal, but you're playing
two teams that are, you know, at least at your

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level in Tennessee and New Orleans on paper, So I
don't think it's an overly daunting three game road trip.
Uh and then that I think the end. So I'm wondering,
do you think people think it's set up really well
because it's kind of bottom heavy, the tough games seem
to come, Like Mike said, Cincinnati, Baltimore, Buffalo, Miami down
the stretch might give them a chance to have some

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of the winnable quote unquote winnable games on paper earlier,
so you get to the point where you get to
the buy. So maybe maybe that's why people think it's
set up well.

Speaker 3 (05:43):
Yeah, six six or seven in the AFC to end
the season, and then talk so much about Miami trying
to beat Tua, having Miami come here and what is
it going to be? January's still tbd. But that first
weekend in January, that's an exciting I hope that's an
exciting game that.

Speaker 4 (05:59):
Mark positive calumn for the Patriots. Miami in January in Foxborough.

Speaker 3 (06:04):
But you get a shot at Tua in the weather.
Will he be healthy by that point? This is a
team that I think most people, yeah right, they so
is a lot going into that Patriots haven't been able
to beat Tua. Tua hasn't been able to beat the cold,
something's got to give. So I mean, that could set
up to be a really exciting final game maybe if

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if the Patriots are you know, in that area of
playoff contention. I like not having to like face the
Bills two times in the last three weeks, where maybe
one of those games you would have gotten the actual Bills.
But the last game, like last year, how much do
they really need that game? It's they're playing for something
else at that point. So the way that it lines
up with that Jets in Miami to and the to
the end of the season, you have again two opponents

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in the division, a chance to make some noise and
improve your seating there as the season ends. Even if
you know, even if you had a bad year and
things didn't work out right like you still can finish strong,
you know, maybe with a win at the Jets and
a win against Miami.

Speaker 6 (06:58):
What makes me a little nervous is that on paper,
there's a lot of games that maybe they should take
a lot of those in the beginning, and it's such
a new team and you don't know how they're going
to gel together, and are they going to take advantage
of the bad football early on because you want them
to be in a position to be rolling when these
really tough matchups against like the Ravens and Cincinnati comes

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in the second half. But again you have to they
have to be ready to go to take advantage of
the first half.

Speaker 3 (07:25):
Yeah, I mean, I just I pointed out the example
of Week one where it's like Gino Smith. Gino Smith
was like flawless here last year. Now he's in a
new situation with a new coach and they were together.
But it's just there's so many variables. It's so hard
to look at and be like, who are the Raiders. Well,
I know who Gino Smith was last year. You know,
I saw the Patriots lose to a Raiders team, but

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they're completely different. So that's where I'm with Paul. It's like,
we'll see, we'll see how it lays out, but you know,
the opponents that they have, it was never going to
be an absolute murder.

Speaker 4 (07:56):
I won't disappoint you completely, Freddie. I will like sort
of off for the other side. And that's one of them.
I heard a lot of people say it's it's really
set up for them to get off to a great start. Well,
I would say, you have Miami. You have three of
the first four game, so I you know, I think
that that isn't an opportunity to get out to a
strong start if you can take care of business.

Speaker 7 (08:16):
Now.

Speaker 4 (08:16):
They haven't been a good home team the last couple
of years, but I would look at it and say Raiders, Dolphins,
Steelers to me, doesn't line up in my mind, as
you I have to a great start here.

Speaker 2 (08:29):
Listen, like we won four games last year, right, I
would the Raiders, Dolphins and Steelers are looking at the
skin and say, oh, we got the Patriots.

Speaker 4 (08:36):
I think if they could go two and two in
those first four, I think that would be okay. Yeah,
you know, because when was the last time they weren't
one and three?

Speaker 3 (08:44):
Well, I mean, especially at Miami that's a house of horrors,
and week two for.

Speaker 4 (08:47):
This team point, I think people are just looking at
the Raiders at home win.

Speaker 2 (08:52):
Like, yeah, I'm always gonna look at it optimistically at
the beginning of every year that the moves that they've
made the new head coach Drake May in his second year,
that we're going to be better than we were last year.
You know, Pittsburgh is a team that they about these
other teams, maybe they're better.

Speaker 4 (09:11):
That's why I hesitate to say, well, this the spot.
I don't know what the spot is until it gets there.

Speaker 2 (09:16):
Right Like see now you learn you can't judge it
until you get this.

Speaker 4 (09:21):
But I'm not talking about the I'm not talking about
the teams. I'm talking about the spots. Like this whole
thing of the schedule really sets up well for the Patriots. Well,
so if they if they're playing uh, let's say Atlanta, Okay,
November second, they play Atlanta. You know, did Atlanta start
the season like six and two. I don't think that

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sets up well for you. But maybe they're you know,
maybe they're they're struggling. Maybe Pennix isn't you know, picking
it up right away. He's not doing Jayden Daniels last year.
He's doing what typical first time starters do when they struggle.
That sets up well for you. I have no idea
until we get to that stage of the season.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
And the other thing you have to remember again, we're
a four in thirteen team, so we're playing a four
and thirteen schedule. Right of course we're playing the other
teams that aren't that good.

Speaker 3 (10:10):
But that's so.

Speaker 4 (10:12):
But it was the same last year.

Speaker 2 (10:13):
Well that's the exactly so like right now, we're not
a good team until we prove otherwise.

Speaker 3 (10:21):
Well, I said to Paula, we've been into relegation right
Like it's like the soccer and I've either got to
make a soccer comparison, but like they were in relegation
last year, and this feels again, you're a little bit
in relegation. You're paying the other teams that are kind
of like you, with new coaches and new quarterbacks and
maybe like Atlanta, a lot of people think they're on
the upswing. Maybe not, but it's the proving ground for
this team. Get out of the relegation, get into a

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second or first place schedule, start playing the good teams.
But you got to do that by.

Speaker 2 (10:46):
Beating out the I can't assume anything. I'm just hopeful that,
like I said, I laid out all those reasons that
we're better than we.

Speaker 4 (10:53):
Were, and I do the same thing that everybody else does,
and I like it. I like I have fun doing
the oh, you know Raiders when Miami at Miami loss.
You know, like I do the same thing. Sure, but
I think that people look at some of the games
in a different way than I think you would look
at it if you was taking a step back objectively.
And yes, I think there are a lot of teams

(11:14):
like I would say just Carolina, New Orleans, Tennessee, Cleveland
like those. I in my view, those are a lot
of like teams, you know how you say the like
minded individual Those are like Patriots, teams that have struggled
in recent years and are trying to search for answers.
I think a lot of Patriots fans look at those
and say, win, win, win win. I look at that

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and say two and two, and if you can do
better than that, that's gravy. Last year they couldn't do that.
Last year they had four or five of those games.
They won one of them. They beat Chicago, they lost
to Indianapolis, they lost to Jacksonville, they lost to Tennessee.
Those were all like minded teams. Last year they lost
almost all of them. Those were all games that I

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think if we all looked at it at this time,
we'd say, that's winnable, that's winnable, that's winnable, And in
my mind, the winnable games you usually split.

Speaker 6 (12:05):
Yeah, they won the Q, it's like unwinnable with the
Bengals and right, right, like the rest was just insult.

Speaker 4 (12:10):
To injuries and that will happen. You know, There'll be
a game on here that you're not expecting them to win.
It they'll win, yeah, but there's gonna be games that
you are expecting them to win that they're gonna lose.

Speaker 2 (12:19):
Now. Yeah, but I'm not gonna hide my enthusiasm that
last year I said ceiling with six. This year, I'm
saying ceiling is ten, you know, And because well they're
that much better. I hope, I hope.

Speaker 3 (12:34):
I hope too.

Speaker 4 (12:35):
I mean, but be nice to be able to talk
about a winning team again. Absolutely.

Speaker 3 (12:39):
I think it's hard to talk about the team within
the context of the league right now.

Speaker 4 (12:42):
It's a minute.

Speaker 3 (12:42):
We can only talk about what we've seen the Patriots do.
And I just from the coaching decisions, the free agency additions,
the draft, I feel excited about this team. I felt
like this will be a better football team. How much better?
How will they stack up with these other teams? You
gotta wait and see how it how it comes together.
But I'm with you, Fred, like, I don't know how
it's all going to shake out, but I feel really
good about how they're putting this team together and the

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position that they're in now, I just want to see
how how does it unfold? You know, how does this
team play under Mike Frable?

Speaker 4 (13:11):
What does it look like the other team?

Speaker 2 (13:13):
You know?

Speaker 4 (13:14):
And that's part of like right out paid to So
you know, there's a game right now. Gun to my head,
if you had to tell me they're going to win
or lose, I have to pick a game that they're
gonna win. Gun to my head. I have a few options.
Tennessee would be one of my strong options, right, Okay,
what if cam Wood's good?

Speaker 2 (13:34):
Right? Right?

Speaker 4 (13:35):
What if he's Jaydon Daniels.

Speaker 2 (13:36):
Like, yeah, exactly, what if he's c J Stroud even yes, first.

Speaker 4 (13:39):
Okay, yeah, yeah. It's happened each of the last two years,
a team that was dreadfully bad got a rookie quarterback
who played right away and magically.

Speaker 2 (13:47):
Was good, and the team elevated because of that.

Speaker 4 (13:51):
So you just never know what if is the Browns quarterback?

Speaker 3 (13:53):
But Week eight, what does that mean?

Speaker 4 (13:56):
I don't know, but it is so Matt Morrell, make
sure you logged this one. You want to archive this
episode because this was the episode that Mike do so
was excited about the future that almost never happened. Now
I'm never really excited about anything.

Speaker 3 (14:12):
So it was this one. I just I saw I'm
ver able to jump into practice, and I'm like, oh,
that's it. Ten wins. You could still play? Is he
gonna play?

Speaker 4 (14:20):
Yeah? I agree with everything Fred said that. I'm looking
at all the different things that happened. None of us
knows for sure, but I think they made a lot
of good moves. I think they should be better. Yeah, yeah,
what I've seen and that should be better.

Speaker 2 (14:33):
That's why I'm excited because of the moves, not the schedule, right,
I'm excited because of the moves.

Speaker 3 (14:38):
Yeah, me too.

Speaker 2 (14:39):
Schedule be damned. We'll play them when they come and
we'll play them when we go. It's because of the
moves we made that I'm excited.

Speaker 3 (14:46):
But it's a much different perspective now, because I'm sure
when the schedule used to come out, when things were
humming around here, that you'd be like, all right, at
Kansas City, that's a that's a big game, right, Like
you start stacking a wood, Philly's coming here, Like you're
starting to play the first these ones, you know.

Speaker 4 (15:00):
Same thing I used to do then, only in reverse.
I would look at the four or five tough games,
like I'd look at the Baltimore and the Buffalo thing,
and I would do the same thing.

Speaker 1 (15:10):
Somebody.

Speaker 4 (15:10):
You'll probably split those, yeah, do you know what I mean?
Like I never consent. Like people would look at that
and say, well, there's four losses right there. No, man,
they're the Patriots. They're not going to lose all four
of them. I used to be obnoxious, right right right now,
I'm obnoxious the other way.

Speaker 3 (15:24):
Well, even as bad as the Patriots have been the
last couple of years in terms of wins, they still
have had those random wins over the Bills, right what you.

Speaker 4 (15:32):
Know, it's completely it's bizarro now because to you a point,
like last year they beat Cincinnati. No one expected that,
Alex Well, there always was a loss to a team
that you never expect. This is no way they're going
to lose that game. Oh my god, they lost to Miami.

Speaker 2 (15:46):
Ya. So let me ask you a question. Last year,
if Rabel was the head coach and he had his
staff that he has now, But the players are the
same player, No, the roster from twenty twenty four is
the same. The difference is Rable has, it's Vrabel and
Josh mcdaniels's you know, coordinator and all that. What do
you think their record would have been last year?

Speaker 3 (16:08):
I think a couple more wins at least.

Speaker 4 (16:11):
Yeah, you know, again, it's it's hard to say who
plays quarterback in Week one.

Speaker 2 (16:17):
Everything would have.

Speaker 4 (16:19):
Would written with Jacoby.

Speaker 2 (16:21):
Everything, new games, everything else the same.

Speaker 4 (16:23):
I would make an argument that there was probably a
coaching error that led to a loss. So five wins,
I'll say I.

Speaker 3 (16:33):
Echoed those lines. I think there's a couple.

Speaker 4 (16:35):
I think the dramatically more skilled on the field talent
wise right now than they were alive.

Speaker 2 (16:40):
Oh yeah, but I think I think they would have
been able to take advantage of more mistakes than they
were last year, you know, because I mean I think
it was a little bit more prepared.

Speaker 4 (16:48):
I mean probably, but it's I mean, I can't really
quantify it, and I don't think those that kind of
stuff generally translates to wins. It's hard.

Speaker 3 (16:56):
It's just it goes back to when you were here
on Tuesday.

Speaker 4 (16:58):
Fred.

Speaker 3 (16:58):
It's like it's hard to give Mike Rabel and this
team of compliment without seeming like you're taking a dump
on last year, and like, I don't want to limit
how many dumps.

Speaker 2 (17:05):
I say it would have been two more wins last year,
which means two more wins this year, which means the
floor is eight this year.

Speaker 3 (17:12):
And that I think is their mean. Their mean wins
right now, it's like seven point eight. So you're right
around here, you're right, So I like likes the first
part of that.

Speaker 4 (17:19):
Okay, so two more wins because I said one, so two.
I'm not gonna split split hairs. I don't have enough
to give up. But how did you jump from They've
won two more than last year, but they're gonna win
two more.

Speaker 2 (17:30):
Follow the Rabel's staff. They won six games last year.
Now they make now, they make the moves, they make
all the moves they did. At minimum they get two
more wins. I just think it's floor is eight. The
floor is eight, floor is eight.

Speaker 3 (17:50):
Bread is spoken, the ceiling is seven for Paul.

Speaker 4 (17:56):
In that area. If but that makes sense, if we're
we're gonna go back and we want to again get
back to the archives. I'm pretty sure that Fred's ceiling
was I mean, Fred's floor was my ceiling last year too. Yeah,
I'm pretty sure.

Speaker 3 (18:11):
Well, I I believe the floor you was, you know
in twenty twenty one of those were when we talk
with Bill that it was six. I thought a good
coaching staff, like just a well oiled team, that yeah,
they're gonna have injuries. But maybe that's a bad number,
but six was always that number for me if if
you had the staff in.

Speaker 2 (18:25):
Place, so well we got we got somebody coming in
right now. Want a special guest to the Patriot's Unfiltered.
Jack Gibbons, Hey, Gregers.

Speaker 4 (18:36):
He talks like he's on a talk show.

Speaker 2 (18:38):
Yeah, it's like it's ther Griffin show. Have a seat, Jack.

Speaker 3 (18:44):
I think Jack, it's gonna be a little high for you.

Speaker 2 (18:47):
So it's Mike Dusseau, I'm Fred Kurz, Paul Parrello, Alex Francisco.
This is Patriots Unfiltered.

Speaker 4 (18:54):
That's producer Matt Matt Morrell.

Speaker 2 (18:57):
We were here all the time, twenty four hours a day.
They don't let us out, there's no windows. They just
bring in food. So but welcome to the team, Thank you,
thank you. I think every team needs a linebacker named Jack.
I think it should be a requirement. I agree with that.

Speaker 3 (19:10):
That would help with my job security for sure.

Speaker 1 (19:13):
There you go.

Speaker 2 (19:14):
So, how's it been so far?

Speaker 3 (19:16):
Yeah, it's been great.

Speaker 7 (19:17):
Definitely loving the guys on the team, the coaching staff,
the culture here. I mean, it's cool to be a
part of a program that has such awesome history. And uh,
really enjoying the area too. I didn't really know much
about the Northeast of being from Texas coming out here.

Speaker 3 (19:29):
Uh, it's a really beautiful part of the country.

Speaker 4 (19:30):
So I'm enjoying it.

Speaker 2 (19:31):
What have you learned so far about the Northeast?

Speaker 3 (19:33):
I learned that when it's sunny, it's an awesome it sucks.

Speaker 4 (19:37):
Yeah, we'll just stick with it first the weather's coming,
it's a nice nice for sure. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (19:44):
So I'm just curious about your coming up with Mike
Frable and you know, breaking in a couple of years
ago and then really you know, in twenty twenty three,
I think you played a bunch under him, and you know,
what was the connection you made with him and how
did he help your development?

Speaker 7 (19:55):
Yeah, definitely coming in as an undrafted guy, obviously, the
odds were kind of stacked against me, and I actually
actually cut me out of training camp and then I
got brought back on the practice squad and was kind
of grinding away for there and then finally got an
opportunity late in the year when guys started going down.
But I think a big thing with him, as he
always says, like, it doesn't matter how you got here,
it's what you do when you get here, And you
can earn opportunities by the way that you work, in

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the way that you prepare and play. And so that's
something I really appreciated about him that they were willing
to give a guy who was an undrafted rookie, put
him out there and starting a Thursday night football game,
Like I mean, that was that was a great opportunity
for me, and luckily kind of played pretty well there
and earned some more opportunities going forward. Like you said,
but that's something that's really cool about this play, this
program and him and his staff is that they don't

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really care how you got there.

Speaker 3 (20:38):
It's what you do when you're there.

Speaker 2 (20:40):
How would you describe like you're mostly in the middle,
or at least you were in Tennessee. How would you
describe your game as a linebacker? You're like like a
sideline to a sideline guy. How would you describe it?

Speaker 7 (20:50):
Yeah, I like to I take a lot of pride
in being versatile player. Like that first game that I
was active as a rookie, actually played all three linebacker positions.
I was on the edge a little bit, both inside
backers spots, and uh. I'd like to say that I'm
a smart guy, pretty instinctive and be able to kind
of handle all that but then also anticipate what the
offense is going to give us and get a kind
of a head step. But I think in this league

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you kind of have to be a complete linebacker. You
can't really be like just the old school run stopper
coverage guy. It's so I'm trying to kind of develop
my game and be in all those areas. Be good
and coverage, be good against the run, be good blitzing,
just kind of be a well rounded linebacker.

Speaker 4 (21:26):
So is that sort of versatility where doctor Gibbie came from.

Speaker 7 (21:30):
Yeah, that was kind of like my rookie year, And
like Ota is like this coach Rabel likes to ask
a lot of questions quiz guys, and I answered a
few of them right, and he started calling me doctor
and it kind of stuck there for a little while,
and then he left. It kind of died down and
now out here. He's kind of the only one called
me that maybe a few of the guys from Tennessee.

Speaker 4 (21:48):
Mike's a bit of a smart for sure. He's been
busting my chops since he was playing.

Speaker 6 (21:53):
So yeah, speaking of doctor, how are you feeling You
had a season engine injury last year?

Speaker 7 (21:57):
Right, Yeah, that was definitely It's been a us as
getting back, But I'm feeling good. I'm out there practicing
with the guys, trying to get better every day, just
kind of continue to build those reps and get more comfortable,
trusting myself, trusting that I'm healed, and working really hard
in the training room with the staff in there, and
so it's going well.

Speaker 2 (22:15):
Do you think having a head coach who was the
linebacker helps you? Yeah, definitely.

Speaker 7 (22:21):
I mean from the beginning in Tennessee, Like in rookie
Minnie camp, we're sitting in there and he's coming in
and giving us a little nuggets here and there and
helping us see the game from a different perspective. So
definitely try to absorb all the knowledge that you have.
But he's a coach that really could coach all the
positions on the field. That's something I thought was really
cool is we'll always have these meetings where he's up
there coaching detailed technique about the O line, the corners,

(22:43):
the wide receivers, the linebackers and stuff. And so just
learned so much football of those two years in Tennessee
and that I was with him. And that's something I
really appreciate about him, is even on like special teams, everything,
he's he's coaching everything with details.

Speaker 1 (22:55):
So that's cool.

Speaker 3 (22:55):
I gotta ask you a little about the defense. So
I'm kind of the resident defense guy's I'm like, why,
actual defense guys, and they're all on me, But what
can you tell us about this defense? Because been here
for a while studying the old Patriots three to four,
going way back, where you got a lot of two
gappers and space eaters, and it would seem to me
that this defense with Tourell Williams is about attacking, about

(23:17):
getting up field. I know you can't give away too much,
but what can you tell us about this defense?

Speaker 8 (23:21):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (23:21):
I think that.

Speaker 7 (23:22):
For one, I think we've got a great group of guys.
I think we've got a lot of competition at every position,
which is going to help make the whole team better,
the defense better, and like you said, I think it's
going to be really aggressive. We're going to be uh.
I think everyone's trying to do things that are simple
for us but difficult for them. To try to marry
up some stuff, make things look like this, and then
we're comeing with something else, and I think that it's
gonna be really exciting.

Speaker 3 (23:41):
I think that what it's going to bring it to
life is the guys.

Speaker 7 (23:44):
And I think that we have the right guys that
are going to play hard and uh obviously super talented,
but be super connected already. The communication and connection and
out there on the field, off the field, the way
you guys talking to each other is better than I've
seen in my first three years. So I'm really excited
about that.

Speaker 4 (23:58):
I'm going to ask you a little bit about what
the team did. Was it yesterday? Yeah, yesterday with the
you know, the community outings and with that experience was
like I know, Alex Jora.

Speaker 9 (24:07):
I wasn't with Jack's group. I was with Brabels group.
But which which place?

Speaker 10 (24:11):
Yeah, it was super cool.

Speaker 7 (24:12):
I don't really know where everyone else went, but I
was at Pine Street, in which Holmo sheltered down in
South Boston and it was super cool. We were able
to make a meal for them and then serve it
to the most men's and women's shelter and interact with
them the people that were staying there, and get a
tour the facilities, kind of see what their life's like
with the mission that they're doing there, and they're doing
some amazing work. So it was super cool, super hombling

(24:32):
to be able to experience it.

Speaker 2 (24:33):
Is getting out in the community important to.

Speaker 7 (24:35):
You, Yeah, absolutely, that's something that I think is super cool,
and especially for the Patriots and coach for Abe and
them to provide such a cool opportunity like that where
we can go do that as a team. That even
brings us even closer together. And yeah, it's awesome to
be able to give back for y Camp.

Speaker 2 (24:48):
We have many causes that are near and dear to you,
anything special.

Speaker 7 (24:52):
Yeah, I really like to support anything that has to
do with like children's who especially children who were dealing
with like a terminal illness and things like that, So
like Saint Jude's and stuff like those causes that Ronald
McDonald house, things like that.

Speaker 2 (25:06):
There's plenty of opportunity here for.

Speaker 9 (25:09):
Great children's hospitals. Get you on some visits.

Speaker 10 (25:11):
Absolutely.

Speaker 3 (25:14):
I had a question, Oh, I can jump in with
a defense question.

Speaker 2 (25:17):
I was going to say this, So schedule release came
out last night. Is that a big deal for players,
Like when the schedule comes out or it's like, what.

Speaker 3 (25:23):
You haven't seen this right now?

Speaker 7 (25:24):
Yeah, I mean I was definitely waiting for it and
looked at it, But like everything, by the time we
get to the season, it's one at a time, so.

Speaker 2 (25:31):
You can't really look at it too big picture.

Speaker 7 (25:33):
But it is cool to kind of see, like, I mean,
if we got I know, we got like three in
a row on the road, So thinking about something like
that about we're gonna have to really lock in for
that stretcher, especially if you've got like an international game
or something like that where your bye week is is
kind of what you're looking for.

Speaker 1 (25:45):
But at the end of the.

Speaker 7 (25:46):
Day, I mean, we kind of knew who we're gonna play,
and it's gonna be week by week kind of head
down focused on what's in front of you. So it's
it's kind of both I guess excited to see it,
but not not reading too much into it.

Speaker 4 (25:56):
So that's basically when it comes out, you're looking at
individual things like nikes.

Speaker 7 (26:00):
Yeah, I definitely want to see those primetime games, the
night games, any anything where he might have to travel,
just just kind of see it. But I mean, honestly,
like after last night, I kind of forget about it
until the season.

Speaker 3 (26:10):
So sure, I got one more for you, Jack, Just
like Jack, you have to be Yeah, yeah, the game.
Just what was your impression of coming here and playing
the Patriots?

Speaker 7 (26:18):
Like, oh, we actually were played them in Tennessee. I'm sorry, sorry, Yeah,
Patriots came out there. But yeah, I had a great
impression of the team, just the way that the Patriots
kept fighting and clawed their way back into that game,
and then Drake taking the guys down to tie the
game late and score. I was really impressed with his mobility. Uh,
he ran all over us. I was telling him that
the other day. I was like, I didn't know you
could run like that. But just yeah, I had a

(26:39):
great impression of the team, just kind of the way
they played and excited to get get on those guys
side and gets work.

Speaker 2 (26:44):
Well, Jack, we'll let you get back to it. I
know you're busy. Anytime you want to come by you
know where we are now.

Speaker 10 (26:50):
Yeah, awesome.

Speaker 2 (26:50):
I appreciate you guys. Yeah, thanks, I'm Jack Gibbons.

Speaker 4 (26:53):
Welcome aboard.

Speaker 2 (26:54):
Thanks Jack, great, all right, Jack Gibbons, Jack good one,
good stuff.

Speaker 3 (27:02):
Good stuff to get those defenders in here, paul Y.

Speaker 4 (27:06):
Mike gets really excited when still smiling.

Speaker 2 (27:11):
I like, I like, you know, undrafted, you know, gut cut.

Speaker 3 (27:15):
Yeah, came back.

Speaker 2 (27:16):
Reminded me Troy Brown, Yeah, got cut a couple times
by Parcels. Yeah, came back on the team and ended
up being like mister Patriot.

Speaker 3 (27:23):
It's interesting how to me how he's going to fit
in with Ellis and Spolaine and like he I really
thought it was interesting hearing him say he played all
three linebacker positions, which you know, I'm not sure exactly
what they're gonna play a lot of nickel, which is
two linebackers, Like, who are those two guys? Thinks Spoleaine's
definitely one of them. But Gibbons is in that similar
mold of being able to run. And you know, that

(27:44):
was kind of one of the questions Nerdy that I
had teed up. But just that position at linebacker. We
talked about it a lot last year of how hard
it is to either get around or get through blocks.
And to recognize things. And you know, him talking about
the experience and the smarts of it all. I think
that must be such a big key for an inside linebacker,
getting experience understanding the blocking teams, because you it's just

(28:05):
so hard having played freshman football of the position that
you're coming on. But it was, you know, you almost
I got two guys coming out at you like I
understand the dynamics of the position, you know, on the
basic level, and from his perspective, it's it's it's nice
to have a guy like that who can run and
I think a lot a lot to the second level.

Speaker 4 (28:21):
Yep, absolutely, all right, we'll.

Speaker 9 (28:23):
Take a perfect New England name too.

Speaker 1 (28:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (28:26):
Well, like I said, every team should have a linebacker
named Jack.

Speaker 3 (28:30):
Don't you think I think so? Yeah, it's a good
good name yea, because of like Lambert and Ham.

Speaker 2 (28:34):
Yeah, Jack Lambert Jack Ham, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (28:37):
Jack Campbell Detroit that was Yeah, I can't think of
any others.

Speaker 3 (28:41):
There's a lot of Jacks out there now. That was
a very popular name. I feel like the last like
decade or so of.

Speaker 2 (28:45):
Everybody's doesn't Ohio State have a Jack Jackson? Yeah?

Speaker 9 (28:50):
Jackson is like the new take on the name.

Speaker 2 (28:52):
Yeah, yeah, all right, A five to five, Pats five hundred.
It's the hotline podcast at Patriots dot com. Is the
email address. I know the newsletters going out tomorrow and
a lot of documentary stuff going on in there.

Speaker 9 (29:06):
Well why don't you tell us why?

Speaker 2 (29:08):
Because tomorrow the Patriots are releasing Forged in Foxborough and
I don't know the exact time that it will drop,
but you'll be able to see it on YouTube. Primarily.
It's a it's a full length thing. It's over an
hour long, and it's uh, it's episode one. There'll be
another episode coming out later closer to training camp. But

(29:29):
I'm really excited about what people have to say about it.

Speaker 3 (29:32):
I'm excited too. These are right up my alley. These
are the kind of things so that we produce where
I don't really want to watch it until it's actually out,
like it would kind of ruin it to be part
of Like I'm not part of the process with it,
so it's like kind of nice for me just wait
till it's done and then experience it with the fans.
But I see it looks it looks really really fun.
A lot of behind the scenes stuff you.

Speaker 4 (29:50):
Have to experience it with the fans, right, with the people.

Speaker 2 (29:54):
He's a fan at heart. I'll always be a fan.

Speaker 3 (29:57):
That's right, It's all right. I can't forget my people.

Speaker 4 (29:59):
Yeah, so Mike's working on some some nineteen eighty five Patriots.

Speaker 3 (30:05):
I got it to write a game day article. But
the way I've been doing it is, I went, I've
been watching the TV broadcast at the game in order.

Speaker 4 (30:11):
So it's, uh so that's bringing me back.

Speaker 3 (30:12):
It's a rock fight. It's oh my god, it's But
I was telling Paul, it's funny watching the TV broadcast
because you pick up a lot from the announcers. They
have little stories and so you know, it's not just
like looking at the box score telling you how it unfolded.
But one funny thing I told Paul was they were
playing the Bucks, and you know, Steve de Berg is

(30:34):
just incompletion, incompletion, and then they show like Steve Young
on the sideline. Well, they can't play him yet now
it's too soon for him. Maybe next year.

Speaker 4 (30:41):
It's like, why are you going to a future fam.

Speaker 3 (30:43):
You got a Hall of Famer just sitting watching the
game and they're like, we can't play. I mean, it's
like October, I'm like, what he needs the whole year off.
But you see, uh, you know rookie Bruce Smith was
also that year and just destroying the Patriots. But it's
it's fun to you know, just go back and inform
I'll be interviewing some of those guys.

Speaker 4 (31:00):
So it'll be good.

Speaker 2 (31:00):
Nice look forward to that. And then again Forge and
Foxborough will drop tomorrow, so good stuff.

Speaker 3 (31:07):
It's almost it's long too right for the Forge of I.

Speaker 2 (31:09):
Said, well, this episode is over an hour. Yeah, hell yeah, yeah,
And it's it's all like Alex said, all behind the
scenes stuff. The staff, the football staff gave us great
has given us great access, continuing to give us great access.

Speaker 9 (31:27):
Have you guys ever had access like this?

Speaker 4 (31:29):
Not to we never had access to the team meeting.
That being shot, that's I think the only thing that
we haven't had access to.

Speaker 2 (31:36):
Well, I think and also a lot of them, like
we're in the weight room, where like we never were
able to get that.

Speaker 3 (31:43):
You know, is there a certain point, Fred, I mean
without get giving anything away, but is there a certain
point that was most interesting to you, Like was it
like the combine behind the scenes or the draft behind
the scenes, or anything like that that that stood out
to you as as as being.

Speaker 2 (31:57):
Well, like Paul said, you know, getting having being able
to be there for the first team meeting. We've never
seen that before.

Speaker 4 (32:05):
We've never done that, you know, I've never even shot it. Like,
there's a lot of these things that we've been able
to have cameras at in the past. You they're not
always made public, but we've been able to have sort
of eyes and ears to shoot things this like that
team meeting. I don't to my knowledge anyway, I don't
think we've ever had access to that's a first time ever.

Speaker 3 (32:25):
Such a big moment for Vrabel too, because first time
speaking to the team, setting the tone. We saw the
clip that he had with Kaden Wallace, which I liked.
I like when coaches do that kind of creative stuff.
So I'm excited.

Speaker 2 (32:34):
Yeah, I mean, we've never been had quite the access
that we had this year at the combine. You know,
being up in the suite, you'll see it. I don't
want like, I don't want to give not I don't
want I want people to be able to see it. Yeah,
but I think if you're a Patriots fan and you

(32:56):
watch this thing, you're ready to go. You're gonna finish
this thing. So let's go. Let's get this season going.
We've got the schedule. Come on, let's skip training camp.
Let's get right out there, put the pads on, let's go.

Speaker 4 (33:06):
I love it, so I'm always for that training camp,
all right?

Speaker 2 (33:14):
So eight five five pats, five hundred. Let's get into
it a little bit. I forgot to give Matt morell
my one shorder. Oh you got it? What you get
me chicken fingers?

Speaker 1 (33:22):
I got your cheese pizza.

Speaker 2 (33:23):
I can't hear you. What did you say? Hold on,
he's learning how to run the board. That still doesn't work.
All right, that's all right. I trust that you'll have
food for me. All right, thank you?

Speaker 4 (33:38):
Okay, Freddy, Freddy will not waste away.

Speaker 2 (33:41):
Let's go to Nate, Connecticut. What's up Nate?

Speaker 11 (33:45):
Hey guys, you guys hear We're good.

Speaker 8 (33:48):
So I had a quick thoughts and a couple of questions.
You guys, So I I saw the schedule.

Speaker 12 (33:54):
Of release last night. I thought it was really well done.
But something to point out that.

Speaker 8 (34:00):
We're going against the Raiders weak one, and I think
that's a really good matchup because all the free agency
and the draft to be put into the d line.
Going against Ashton GenZ, I think that will be a
really good matchup because you know Ashton gents. He's saying,
like to NFL dms, like draft the guy you can't tackle,

(34:21):
Just stuff like that. And my second question to you
guys is, since we're going against the Ravens and a
couple other teams this year they have mobiles quarterbacks, do
you think we're gonna have success or even better success
since we have like all the mobile linebackers like Roberts
playing and like Jack Gibbons. That was just in studio and.

Speaker 2 (34:42):
Yeah, okay, thanks Nate. So a couple of questions thereic
you know, going up against Ashton Genty, Hey, it's gonna
be his first real NFL game. I'm assuming he's gonna
play in the preseason, but this will be the first
time he's probably gonna play maybe against starters from the
other team. So that's gonna be great to watch.

Speaker 1 (35:00):
Good.

Speaker 3 (35:00):
But it's like it goes back to Paul's point, like
we'll see, we'll see what he is some of us
like Dush and Genty coming out but.

Speaker 1 (35:08):
Draft.

Speaker 2 (35:09):
But you know, whether it's Genty or his second question
defending mobile quarterbacks. I'll ask our defensive guy here, do
you think the Patriots are more equipped to do that
this year? Are they a faster defense?

Speaker 3 (35:20):
I mean a little bit, but I would say I
think you're gonna get with the good. I think there'll
be some bad too. I think you'll be able to,
uh not be as susceptible to early down passing because
you're not going to have the early down two gaping
guys just trying to build the wall, not getting penetration
because on those early downs that's easy for the quarterback.
There's no pressure coming around. I think this defense is

(35:40):
getting off the ball every single time. So on one hand,
you're going to be better against the pass on early downs,
But I also think that that has the opportunity to
open up lanes and gaps and so there you might
get gash from time to time. Yes, having mobile linebackers
should help running down quarterbacks. But again, if you're aggressive
and then you take a false step again Lamar Jackson,
it could be six points. So it's it's a double

(36:03):
edged short A little bit to me. You hope you
win more than you lose.

Speaker 2 (36:05):
Yeah, you become a little bit more vulnerable but you
have the ability to make more plays.

Speaker 3 (36:09):
But get more speed on the field. And I think
that that's that's something that is apparent to me across
the across the place. I mean, just look, you swap
out Milton Williams for Devon gotcha. I mean, I know
that they kind of played different positions, but at the
same time, between spa lane between Jack Gibbons, between even
Christianelli's like, everybody can run. Now, there isn't that big
middle linebacker that you're like, well, he's not going to

(36:30):
be quite able to get the edge against the faster quarterbacks.

Speaker 2 (36:34):
David's in Florida. Hey David, Hey, guys, how's it going good?

Speaker 12 (36:42):
So I had a little bit of constructed criticism and
then I had a question afterwards. I'll start with the
constructive criticism. So I watched the schedule leaf video we
put out yesterday, and I feel like it was a
little bit underwhelming, which one I understand the Dave Portnoy one.

Speaker 2 (36:59):
Okay, I know it can't.

Speaker 12 (37:02):
Be fireworks every year, because the last couple of years
we've had some really great ones. I just felt like
it was a little bit underwhelming and it wasn't as
as creative. That's all obviously not really a huge.

Speaker 1 (37:12):
Deal, but not fair enough.

Speaker 2 (37:15):
Yep.

Speaker 12 (37:16):
And then for my question, it's like a three part
question year. So looking at our schedule, which game are
you most excited for as a fan? Which one are
you most confident in? And then which one are you
most scared of?

Speaker 2 (37:30):
Get Okay, most confident, most excited, and most scared of?
Thanks Dave.

Speaker 3 (37:36):
I'm gonna go, uh excited at Buffalo Sunday night football.
Maybe Dig's coming back against his old team. It's just
a real chance to make a real win there. Uh
game that I what do you say? Was scary?

Speaker 2 (37:48):
Most scared, and most scared?

Speaker 3 (37:50):
It's the last game against Miami, having an opportunity to
maybe get in the playoffs or do something and then
losing again to two. Yeah, that scares me again, especially
at home.

Speaker 2 (37:59):
Most I have to say right now, I'm most excited
for the home opener. You know, it's the home opener.

Speaker 4 (38:05):
That was my nice most excited about home opener. Yeah,
we have.

Speaker 3 (38:09):
A bummer being on the road for the opener. I
feel like, you know, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (38:12):
And the most that's scared of at Baltimore.

Speaker 3 (38:16):
I fear no, man, I don't like that game.

Speaker 2 (38:18):
Well, see, I'm not scared of that one because I
know it's going to be no, like like, we're probably
going to lose that game. He grew up on the
game like, well, that's why I'm afraid of that. So
it's not a game like I'm I'm most scared of
at New Orleans because I'm not. We don't do really
well there.

Speaker 4 (38:36):
I'm not a baby, so I'm not afraid of teams
that we should be. I think that's the game most That's.

Speaker 2 (38:40):
The point you look at and say, oh, we should
beat that. But we do well in New Orleans and
if we lose again, I don't know why.

Speaker 4 (38:47):
When was the last time we lost there?

Speaker 2 (38:49):
We lose there a lot, Paul, we do.

Speaker 4 (38:51):
When was the last time.

Speaker 2 (38:51):
I don't know, I don't, I forget, but I just
remember Brees. I just I just remember going there and
not doing well.

Speaker 4 (39:01):
You know.

Speaker 2 (39:02):
So, but it's a game like I feel we should
win and if we don't win, like.

Speaker 4 (39:07):
That's the game I'm most confident.

Speaker 2 (39:08):
I'm scared of losing that game. Yeah, that's understanding the
game I'm most confident in at Bengals.

Speaker 4 (39:20):
Perfect. That's the fredest answer ever. I love it.

Speaker 2 (39:23):
That's an awesome answer At Bengals.

Speaker 3 (39:26):
I mean, did you hear Trey hendrickson the other day?
I mean something every year with these guys with contracts,
I mean it's it's like trying together things with silly putty.
Right now, what are we.

Speaker 2 (39:37):
Doing over there?

Speaker 4 (39:37):
We're looking at the schedule. We play Penn State in
like October. What's that the Cleveland browns helmet looks like
the Penn State House. I have twelve peoples.

Speaker 9 (39:49):
It just it's white.

Speaker 4 (39:50):
It's a white home.

Speaker 3 (39:51):
Maybe they're color blood.

Speaker 2 (39:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (39:53):
I had a lot of people reaching out to me
last night since one is Penn stayed on the schedule.
It's like, I don't know. I don't have people make
fun of me, like I don't control.

Speaker 3 (40:04):
Having no logo and just an orange helmet, Like come.

Speaker 2 (40:06):
On, maybe that's their color rush helmet.

Speaker 9 (40:08):
I don't, No, it's just because our graphic is read.

Speaker 4 (40:12):
So what game are you most looking forward to? Alex?

Speaker 6 (40:15):
I would say home opener, just because it's it's so exciting,
you know, there's just an energy about being down on pregames.

Speaker 2 (40:23):
Hope springs eternal, everybody all.

Speaker 6 (40:25):
Right, No one's lost hope yet We saw life in
our eyes. The Panthers game doesn't really frighten me much
at all.

Speaker 4 (40:34):
That was an candidate for my most confident What are
you mostly scared of?

Speaker 9 (40:38):
I'm most scared of that last Dolphins game.

Speaker 2 (40:42):
Yeah, but it is home, but that's why.

Speaker 3 (40:47):
But it kind of scares me for reasons like you
said of like there's a little like pressure. Actually if we're.

Speaker 6 (40:52):
In a situation where we can make a little win
win and you're in.

Speaker 3 (40:56):
Yeah, right, and two is healthy?

Speaker 4 (41:00):
But who it never wins when the temperature is below
forty but.

Speaker 3 (41:02):
It's gonna be forty degrees at game time?

Speaker 4 (41:05):
What does it mean?

Speaker 9 (41:06):
Something's gotta give forty degrees that that time of years.

Speaker 2 (41:09):
All right, let's let's hit up cam in East Providence.
What's up cam com?

Speaker 11 (41:16):
How's it going, can you guys hear me?

Speaker 2 (41:17):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (41:18):
Good energy?

Speaker 11 (41:19):
How's it going? So I have a question and then
I have an and like, yeah, I have two questions.
So the first one is, so I'm the one at
training camp I make the big posters for the players.
So I was wondering, can one do you guys give
me a player to make That's one of the questions.
Can you guys pick any player on the roster.

Speaker 3 (41:36):
So I can make them Roberts Blynn.

Speaker 11 (41:39):
Robert Blain, all right, sounds good.

Speaker 13 (41:40):
Second question, Moses going into the going into training camp
with the stacked wide receiver women that we have, who
is on their verge of on their way out?

Speaker 4 (41:52):
I missed that because Fred was butchering names and they
threw me off. Who was on his way out?

Speaker 2 (41:59):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (42:00):
Who?

Speaker 13 (42:00):
Like?

Speaker 4 (42:02):
Why is someone on their way Like?

Speaker 11 (42:03):
Who who's on the chopping block? In the wide block?

Speaker 4 (42:06):
Okay, wide receiver?

Speaker 2 (42:08):
Wide receiver might be comes to mind, you know, like
there's a they're not They're not going to have the
same amount of receivers in September that they have now,
So there's quite a few.

Speaker 4 (42:18):
Yeah. I think born in Booty are probably on that list.
I think Baker was probably on that list.

Speaker 3 (42:24):
These Do you think a trade.

Speaker 4 (42:28):
I don't, Okay, I mean, I don't really know if
any of those guys has much trade value. But yeah,
I mean i'd take the day three pick for anybody
if I do you take it?

Speaker 2 (42:37):
But do you think that's that's how they'll be?

Speaker 3 (42:39):
No?

Speaker 4 (42:39):
I think that someone will end up getting released, right.
I think they'll probably keep this group largely intact into
the off season into the OTAs, which, by the way,
we'll get a look at what our first look at
the entire team next week at an o T. I
think the twentieth Yeah, I think it.

Speaker 3 (42:54):
Might be during this show too, so thanks to adjust.

Speaker 4 (42:58):
So maybe I will not be getting a little then
maybe you.

Speaker 2 (43:01):
Would maybe time we'll see talk about it.

Speaker 4 (43:04):
So yeah, I mean I think that friend's got it.
I think it's like a born Booty Baker but the
killer Bees.

Speaker 3 (43:11):
But I like your point about Booty because I to
be honest, Yeah, I mean that's and that's generally how
I feel too. But guy who made a second your leap,
and now he's got Josh McDaniel's coming in, and what
can he do with Kai Shawn Booty. I'm not overly
like optimistic that he's gonna continue to grow, but I
think he's done everything he possibly can to deserve every chance.

Speaker 2 (43:34):
May not start. That's part of the that opens up
a spot at least for a few weeks for somebody.

Speaker 4 (43:42):
If he's pup to start, which a lot of people
have sort of speculated.

Speaker 9 (43:46):
Yeah, you can kind of let it play out into
the season.

Speaker 3 (43:48):
To me, I look at Bourne with that situation, because
I think Born is the most suitable second backup behind
Digs of what they're going to ask Digs to do.

Speaker 2 (43:57):
You know, you look at all right, who's a lock?
I think I think obviously Digs at some points a
lock with him. I think Polk, believe it or not,
I think he's a lock for now. I do. And
I think obviously Kyle Williams is a lot.

Speaker 4 (44:10):
He's a lock. You know, Hollins is a lock, and
Doug four and Douglas is a lock. I do not
think Polk is a lock.

Speaker 2 (44:18):
So I'm at five year at four, Yeah, I have.

Speaker 3 (44:20):
Four locks, Yeah, yeah, I mean that sounds about it.

Speaker 2 (44:23):
And how many are gonna keep seven?

Speaker 4 (44:26):
Probably six? Yeah, so you know, but it could I
mean you could keep seven too, especially if Diggs is
one of those seven, and you know, maybe he's not
on pup but maybe not quite ready to go, like
you know, one of those kinds of deals the.

Speaker 2 (44:38):
Only thing so people will have to you know, because and.

Speaker 4 (44:41):
I did think it was interesting. When Kendrick Bourne talked
last week, he mentioned that he sort of underestimated the
recovery and how much that it still affected him coming
off the Tory acl that he had the previous season
and he didn't feel like he was quite himself. So
even if you're out there playing and you're one hundred

(45:02):
percent quote unquote, maybe you're not quite ready to be
Stefan Diggs yet.

Speaker 2 (45:06):
Yep, I haven't.

Speaker 3 (45:12):
It's been a busy week since I noticed.

Speaker 2 (45:15):
Two days ago you weren't at work and today you are.
Is anything different between two days ago and today?

Speaker 10 (45:20):
Well, I took a pre scheduled day off on.

Speaker 2 (45:24):
Pre scheduled so you knew the Celtics going.

Speaker 14 (45:27):
No I Want concert on Monday night, and uh, I
ripped it up pretty good, feeling the next morning, I
am still body surf, I'm old and I still have
not recovered.

Speaker 10 (45:41):
And then I was at the Celtics game.

Speaker 2 (45:42):
You got into it with a fan.

Speaker 10 (45:46):
No, I did not get into it with anybody at
the Candle Mark concert last night. At the Celtics game.
I can't really say it as much, but no, I'm
just kidding.

Speaker 9 (45:58):
I did have an incident at a game this year,
didn't you.

Speaker 10 (46:01):
Oh, I look, I I stay out of trouble. My
father keeps me out of trouble. Actually, to be honest,
sometimes when road team fans come gotta have road etiquette
to Celtics games. It drives me nuts. I'm not gonna lie,
It absolutely drives me.

Speaker 4 (46:18):
Up a wall, even if they have road fan etiquette
or if.

Speaker 10 (46:22):
It's like through the wrong way, regardless.

Speaker 2 (46:25):
You feel like I'm at home. I want to be
able to enjoy the game among my fans, among other yeaes.

Speaker 10 (46:31):
And like I'll just say, last night, these Knicks fans
came in and they're peacock and already Evan doesn't have
no series, but you know, without without Tatum, so they
think if they're here for a party, right, they're they're
here for Nixon five. And I just like want to
remind them, like you're the New York Knicks, like you
haven't won a championship in fifty years, Like I just

(46:53):
that was never my mindset, Like pre two thousand and
four Red Sox, like you didn't count your chickens before
they hatched, Like you made sure the Red Sox were
gonna win before you started celebrating, like you you know,
the choking, like you know how this goes, like I would.

Speaker 4 (47:09):
Just you know, I agree. I think there's a there's
a chance. There's a chance I'm not saying a chance,
saying there's a chance.

Speaker 2 (47:18):
Of course there's a chance.

Speaker 10 (47:19):
Don't come to Boston and start, you know, going around
chanting Nixon five and things like that and expect not
to get any smoke. That's all I'm saying.

Speaker 6 (47:29):
Okay, they piped down in the second half.

Speaker 4 (47:33):
It was that.

Speaker 10 (47:34):
I mean, it was all therapeutic based off of the
twenty four to forty eight hours all the Spanders have had.

Speaker 2 (47:40):
I love the way they play. I think they you know,
they was gritty, they played really good defense at times. Uh,
there was blood everywhere. Well, it was good. It was good.
Where are you coming from?

Speaker 10 (47:54):
Christian Barmore's press conference, the first time that we've spoken
to him since unfortunately since the reoccurring of the blood
clots last year, he'd you know, obviously had to get
pulled off the field again. So uh, he's uh, he
says he's a full go. He's a full go right now, really,
he says he's yeah, he said he's a full go
and no no restrictions, no limitations participating fully in the

(48:19):
off season program cleared for football activities. Expectation is that
he will be ready to go for training camp and
be playing his normal his normal self. He said, you know,
he's grown some it's more like a confidence thing that
he has to like, you know, build back up that
he's not gonna have any more setbacks or anything like that,
and say he's starting to feel a lot more like

(48:39):
himself and all optimistic, you know, all all positive things.
I think it's because at this point it was almost
like he wanted to stop talking about it, you know
what I mean, Like it's kind of like in his
past and he wants.

Speaker 3 (48:50):
To move on.

Speaker 9 (48:51):
Was he asked about going back on IR at all or.

Speaker 10 (48:55):
Yeah, he was asked about, you know, just his emotions
and having to go back. Can you know what what happened?
That he didn't really want to get into the medical
stuff of like what really occurred, But yeah, I mean,
as you would expect you, he said, he was. It
was tough, like you know, he was angry, he was
upset because he put in a ton of work to

(49:16):
get back on the field at all and then to
have it, you know, pop back up. I think was
tough for him. But he said now that he doesn't
feel like he has any fear that it's gonna happen again.

Speaker 2 (49:26):
Did he like get into like what was done or
what he's doing that gives him confidence that it won't reoccur.

Speaker 10 (49:35):
He did say that, you know, there's some maybe some
tweaks you know, to diet and things like that, just
trying to really take care of himself. Not that he
wasn't before, but you know, just maybe even more so,
you know now that this has happened to him. But
he didn't really seem to think that it was you know,

(49:55):
anything that he did. It's kind of just like a
freak thing that happened to him. And like I said, yeah,
he's he's full go right now.

Speaker 2 (50:04):
Yeah, in terms of well that's great new how much
the befolio go you could be in May right now?
How did he well, it's hard to know, but like
how did he look like, you know, hefty wise.

Speaker 10 (50:15):
I thought he looked a little bit slimmer than the
last time we saw him. Okay, and that's not a
knock on him whatsoever. But when he had the blood clots,
you can't really work out, like it's not like you're
really doing much, you know, you have to really let
your body heel and I thought he looked a little
swelter than the last time that we saw him, because.

Speaker 2 (50:31):
He's got time to put that back on.

Speaker 10 (50:33):
Well, I think it's a good thing. Like I think
when we saw him last year, he was out of shape. Yeah,
I think he was a little bit heavier than what
he was playing at the year before when he had
the great season. So this looked more. He looked more
like you know, the twenty twenty three body type, and
you know, Christian bar more than he looked last year.

Speaker 6 (50:53):
When I saw him yesterday at the community event, I
agree with you. I thought he looked a little slimmer
and then I mean grant he was running around with
eight year olds, but he was running around.

Speaker 9 (51:03):
It was a nice warm day yesterday and he was moving.

Speaker 3 (51:06):
Any questions have about how he feels like he'll fit
into this new scheme.

Speaker 10 (51:10):
No, we didn't get too much into that. You know,
I was thinking of asking that, But you know, there's
a lot of questions about his road back and like
the medical stuff, and I don't think this was the time.
Maybe when we talked to him again in MIDI camp,
like that would.

Speaker 2 (51:25):
Be about like lining up next to Bilton Williams.

Speaker 10 (51:28):
He did talk about Milton Williams, but more from like
a work.

Speaker 4 (51:30):
Ethics standpointtle thing.

Speaker 10 (51:33):
Yeah, he's been really impressed what he said with with
Milton Williams his work ethic and they have a competition
of who gets here first at the beginning of the day,
you know, is uh speed, Maybe it's a sandwich.

Speaker 4 (51:45):
Might be today, which is a rarity. Okay, usually I'm
first first.

Speaker 3 (51:52):
Ride my bicycle.

Speaker 4 (51:53):
Let me tell you it was a trek today, Yeah,
in the rain.

Speaker 3 (51:56):
You think I could sell my wife on an electric
motorcycle at some point because I was like, I could
just drive to work on it.

Speaker 2 (52:01):
Why would be Yeah, imagine little basket.

Speaker 3 (52:09):
And I'm not going to tell the story now, but
I've I've driven a little embarrassing scooter like that before
and just was completely oblivious to how embarrassing it was. No, no, no, no, Well,
you can get your you can get your motorcycle permit
and when you're sixteen, and that means you can ride
a motorcycle by yourself. And so my dad had this
stupid as a Honda Helix. It was a red one.
So if you want to google it, you're watching it,

(52:30):
go look at it. It's pretty bad. And so I
just started riding it to school once I got my permit.
But it's like it's an a it's like you know, a
vespa basically, you know, you know, and people like nice bike.
I'm like, hey, I'm not taking the bus.

Speaker 4 (52:43):
And he puts that little backpack that rides high on
his back. He puts that in the little basket in.

Speaker 3 (52:48):
It didn't have a basketball. I didn't have anywhere to
put my helmet. I can't leave my helmet. Yeah. Sorry.
I had to go back to Barbo though real quick,
just to shift back to Patriots back football, but just
to say, like, I think he could really lossom in
this scheme. Like they're not going to ask him to
like our Christian two gap right, Like it's they're just
going to play to his strengths. Yeah, tell him to
go get the quarterback like him and mill Williams. That

(53:08):
should be an absolute nightmare if he's fully home, right.

Speaker 10 (53:10):
Well that and that was what Millon Williams said when
he taught the other day, was it's the two of
them are kind of the ones that are they're trying
to lead the charge here together as a tandem. And
I wonder, you know, typically speaking, you don't play both
with three techniques out over the guards, so like who's
going to play over the nose, Like who's going to

(53:31):
be the guy on the inside, and how do they
You know, it's probably gonna be bar More. He's bigger.
You know, here's three twenty millon. Williams is two ninety five,
you know, so it's probably body type wise, it would
be him, So you know, he might see more double
teams in there, he might have more run responsibilities in there.
So you know, those are little things that I am
just looking for, is how do they put both those

(53:53):
guys together in spots and how do they how do
they cover up the middle of the field because both
those guys, to your point, dude, sort want to get
up the field and want to make plays on the
other side of the line of scrimmage and you know,
defeat blocks and things like that. But you can't have
both guys doing now, like someone's got a home in
the middle, right, So it'll be interesting to see how

(54:14):
they work.

Speaker 2 (54:16):
What do you got, Wow, there's your little red thing.

Speaker 3 (54:20):
Red thing that was that was? That was my bad motorcycle.

Speaker 2 (54:23):
I don't know if the camera can exactly that's exactly
what I expected. It looks like one of those little vespas.

Speaker 10 (54:32):
What's with the sound effect?

Speaker 2 (54:33):
Sorry? All right, back to the phone.

Speaker 4 (54:36):
Go to school like that.

Speaker 2 (54:37):
Let's go to Dakota and.

Speaker 4 (54:39):
High school kids aren't judgmental at all.

Speaker 3 (54:42):
You get it, You get it.

Speaker 2 (54:43):
What's up Dakota in Nebraska? Dakota.

Speaker 4 (54:49):
No, it's it's actually Nebraska in Dakota.

Speaker 2 (54:52):
Right, all right, he's not there. So everyone's favorite caller,
Christian in La. What's up Christian?

Speaker 15 (55:00):
Hey you guys, good morning, good afternoon over there. Thank you,
guys are taking my call here to Stundy, LA with
its beautiful outside. So I know everyone's already talked about
the schedule being favorable and how that seems like it's
gonna obviously result and more wins for us. And I
took a look at the schedule, and I believe, like
Coach Brabile believed, that we're in a great position to

(55:22):
take advantage of bad football by other teams, which it
seems like based on the schedule and what the team
did last year, we're going to see a fair amount
up and it should get us at best close to
us into the playoffs. Right, So that's supposed to feel good,
But I'm thinking of the long term health of the team,
and this sounds like I'm poopoo in the potential playoff
run that we could be on. But it seems like

(55:45):
we had the potential to do what the Browns did
several years ago with Baker Mayfield, but they took advantage
of a seemingly soft schedule and it makes the team
look like they were better than they were, and as
a result, they wound up in the the bottom middle
of the draft the next three or four years and
really could not build a team more than they had
already gotten at that point. And I can kind of

(56:06):
see a little bit of that for us, Or do
you guys see that where let's do with eight and nine,
we'd be in a good position to pick up someone
next year to really continue to build the foundation of
the team for the long term. We go twelve and
five and it's two or three years before we can
get a decent position to draft get anybody to really
help conceive the build the teams for that.

Speaker 2 (56:25):
Do you want them to get better or not that? Yeah, Like,
I'm not worried about the draft. I'm worried about winning football.

Speaker 4 (56:32):
And if the option is want, if I have two
choices to go twelve and five or eight nine. I'll
take twelve and.

Speaker 10 (56:38):
Five right, Well, twelve and five is pretty intact.

Speaker 2 (56:41):
That's a good but that's a good football if you
would if you're twelve and five were bad.

Speaker 4 (56:45):
My urgency to get another good player in the draft
is not that high. If I can go twelve and five,
the schedule is not that bad that you're just beating
twelve bad teams.

Speaker 2 (56:52):
And by the way, if we end up eight and nine,
we're getting there.

Speaker 10 (56:55):
So like I'll tank anybody in Washington right now saying
we had a top Oh.

Speaker 4 (56:59):
My god, you know we just we cut the line.
We went to the NBERC Championship game before we got
another good draft pick.

Speaker 15 (57:06):
Like, I know what you guys are saying, if I'm
with you, but what that resultant for the long term
health of the team. I don't want a two year
run when we win a couple of you know, he
won this year, Oh boy won this next year?

Speaker 4 (57:18):
Five years?

Speaker 1 (57:18):
The problem? Do you think the commander?

Speaker 4 (57:20):
I just pushed back on the entire premise. Cleveland is
a is a pretty talented football team that had no quarterback.
Baker Mayfield crapped out if he continued to pay if
he didn't get hurt the next year, and he continued
to play the way he did the previous year, he'd
probably still be in Cleveland and that team wouldn't be
that bad. I mean, Miles Barrett's a pretty good player.

(57:41):
Nick Chubb was a pretty good player. They had talent
like that. They didn't like fall apart because they finished
too well the previous year and didn't get a high
enough draft pick. Baker Mayfield crapped out.

Speaker 2 (57:52):
And the other thing. You know, if you're twelve and five,
you know you're going to attract better free agents, right,
I don't know. I guess the football game.

Speaker 4 (58:02):
That's That's how I would look at it.

Speaker 2 (58:04):
But Drake Mayce on our team. Hopefully the future is now.

Speaker 4 (58:08):
And I would just correct. Mike Ramble said it as
introductory press conference that he hopes to be in a
position to take advantage of bad football. I don't think
he said, I'm confident we can take advantage of bad.

Speaker 3 (58:17):
Foot, he said.

Speaker 10 (58:18):
I think he's at the opposite Yeah.

Speaker 4 (58:20):
I don't know, is what he said. If I recall,
I use that.

Speaker 10 (58:24):
I'm not trying to rain on anybody's parade, but I
just did some of the predictions off the schedule that
they're going to win twelve thirteen games. I just like,
let's calm down a little bit, like, let's write, can
we at least see the team in training camp and
see what it looks like?

Speaker 4 (58:37):
At the same time, can I at least see what
the other teams look like too?

Speaker 10 (58:41):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (58:41):
It just like I have a lot of games in
my head that I think are very winnable. And if
Mike ends up being right and they're in a position
to take advantage of bad football, I'm expecting them to
beat the Carolinas, the New Orleans, the Tennessee's. That's not
taken into account whatsoever what those teams are going to be.
And I used it just the example. What if Tennessee

(59:04):
terrible team number one overall pick. What if cam Wood's
really good?

Speaker 10 (59:07):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (59:08):
What if he's as as Fred said C J. Stroud
and as I mentioned Jayden Daniels. What if this is
the third year in a row that one of these
top pick quarterbacks really hits the ground running, Like you're
gonna look at that. What if Tennessee goes twelve and
five this year and then the Patriots lose to Tennessee,
You're gonna look at it as like a terrible loss.

Speaker 10 (59:30):
I mean, I hope, No, I don't think that's going
to happen.

Speaker 4 (59:33):
In full disclosure, I think Tennessee's a long way away.

Speaker 10 (59:35):
But yeah, I mean, I hope they win as many games.
It's as optimistic as some people seem to be, but
I just I can't have to see it first, Like
it's been three years since they've won. I don't know
how you make that.

Speaker 3 (59:45):
Mental leap where you're just like.

Speaker 4 (59:48):
These five or six games that I think are very winnable,
and my feeling is you're generally going to go three
and three in those games. It's hard to win ten
games and not have win all those games against the Carolinas,
Tennessee's New Orleans.

Speaker 10 (01:00:02):
I would just say that on the positive side, there
was always going to be an easy schedule on paper
because of the opponents.

Speaker 2 (01:00:10):
Like it you're a four one team, right, four is.

Speaker 10 (01:00:14):
Going to be an easier schedule regardless of the order
of the games, but the base off the order of
the games, like they do have a nice September, Like
the September sets them up that they could get hot early,
like they could be a three and one team.

Speaker 4 (01:00:30):
Right, Yeah, I mean I looked at it as maybe
they won't be one in three to start the year
the way they've been what four years in a row,
five years in a row, whatever it is, really.

Speaker 10 (01:00:39):
And if you get off to a good start, then
then then you're rolling and you see what happens. But
I'm not ready to predict double digit wins. I mean
I can.

Speaker 3 (01:00:47):
Predict double digit wins and not be disappointed by the season. Like,
how how is someone who's predicting twelve or thirteen wins
right now going to look at us when they're if
they're like middling team and they're about round five hundred,
and what's the explanation for you told us back? And
are you not disappointed? Like it's just it gets so
ahead of it that, like I want to see them
do it before I give them credit for doing it.
Like you can't just be like it's great, it's gonna

(01:01:08):
be awesome. It just takes away some of the joy
of the character Red Sox.

Speaker 4 (01:01:12):
You know, Red Sox made a lot of good moves
in the offseason, and most of the moves they made
have worked. Bregman's been great, Crochet's been great, and yet
here we are you know, toward the end of May
and they're under five hundred yeah, right, all right, Now.

Speaker 2 (01:01:26):
I'm gonna take a break foods here, and when we
come back more calls and emails, we'll continue to talk
about the schedule that came out last night here on
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Speaker 1 (01:03:19):
What's up, everybody? Welcome to the PU Extras, where we
read your leftover emails. Guys. If they don't get read
on the show, send them the podcast at Patriots dot
com and we'll read them here. So, guys, what's up.
Let's happy, dude, Let's get into it again. Sure, all right,
here we go. Good day, PU crew and last week's
PU Newsletter Alex Question. Alex's question of the week was
will Eric find love? Eric has already found love. He's

(01:03:41):
in love with himself. You might have also found love
in or with Africa, but we won't know for sure
until he writes his book. So I guess we'll never know.
I seen Nick Casero getting some kudos for recent drafts
by the Houston Texans. Has his time with the Texans
made you reevaluate his time with the Patriots? Was Joe
Cardona cup more because of the performance concerns or more
out of desire by the new staff to clear the

(01:04:02):
decks of anything that might have the players looking back
to former glory years instead of focusing on the future.
Cheers Dan in Virginia in Michigan. I think Va in Michigan, Alex.
Let's get to the news.

Speaker 19 (01:04:13):
I guess okay, yeah, the news. Other thing?

Speaker 20 (01:04:15):
I wish I got to spend more time with Eric, truly, did.

Speaker 1 (01:04:18):
You learn a lot of wild I love scal He
gives a bit of Brian Griffin sometimes from family guys. Yeah,
but he's the man. He's uh. I think he's traveling though.

Speaker 19 (01:04:30):
Oh yeah, I good times.

Speaker 1 (01:04:31):
I'm pretty sertain. I always joke about this du duce.
I don't think he's watched papers games since he left.
Did you overlap with him at all?

Speaker 20 (01:04:39):
For like maybe a week and a half If that,
he was very nice met it was great, But like,
I don't blame him if he hasn't watched a game
like I've been.

Speaker 1 (01:04:47):
He's been doing it for I was doing it to
quit a job.

Speaker 20 (01:04:50):
And never step foot in there again. For ye, Like
when I quit Marshalls, which was my first job, I
didn't shop again out of Marshall's TJ max until like
I was twenty to targeting TJ Max.

Speaker 1 (01:05:01):
That was it TJ al Right. So to Nick Cassario,
kudos for his recent drafts. Obviously he was here, but
he was working with Bill who I think Bill had
the override with a lot of stuff. But he made
that crazy trade for Will Anderson with CJ. Stroud, He's
done the big splash moves.

Speaker 21 (01:05:18):
So yeah, I mean, I think Casario obviously being kind
of like the lead guy over there, helps him be
a little.

Speaker 10 (01:05:24):
More loose with how we want to handle things.

Speaker 21 (01:05:26):
And I think he's done a pretty good job over there.

Speaker 10 (01:05:28):
The Texans.

Speaker 21 (01:05:28):
I mean the Texans are going to be a really
good team the next few years.

Speaker 1 (01:05:30):
I'm just wondering about their O line though.

Speaker 21 (01:05:32):
Yeah, they're definitely skeptical there. But I I five confidence
of CJ. Stroud to be able to be a gamer.
And I mean I don't put him in the same
field as Joe Burrow, but like Joe Burrow and his
own line hasn't been great for that long.

Speaker 10 (01:05:44):
And I mean Joe Burrow can make things happen.

Speaker 21 (01:05:46):
It's dangles can compete.

Speaker 1 (01:05:48):
It's interesting because as a GM, you really make waves
when you do the sexy trades, and that's what he's
been doing. So didn't do a lot of that here,
but he had some good, good years here.

Speaker 3 (01:05:58):
Yeah, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:05:59):
Third part is the question and Joe Cardona, I think
we've we've talked about this on PU before. I think
it's kind of let's let's move on to the future.
Like it's a long.

Speaker 19 (01:06:08):
Snapper, Like I agree with a little bit of both.

Speaker 1 (01:06:10):
Like he hit some some questionable snaps. Yeah, I'm surprised
it happened when it did. I thought he'd make it
to training camp.

Speaker 20 (01:06:17):
Me too, And I just think he was kind of
It's not like he was like a huge male guy
or a huge Oh he was kind of a big
bill guy.

Speaker 19 (01:06:25):
But I don't know.

Speaker 20 (01:06:27):
I just I thought he was good for like the culture,
but I don't know.

Speaker 22 (01:06:30):
But you're trying to establish It's like, once you kind
of make that change with da who's been like your
stage blue guy for years now, like once that switch happens,
Cardona justfently too.

Speaker 21 (01:06:43):
But once Cardona kind of as just a long snapper,
it's hard to just like, you know, you could just
go a different direction at any point realistically with that position.
So I mean, I think it just kind of falls
to like, you know, new new time, a new day
in New England.

Speaker 1 (01:06:57):
So well, we'll see how Ashby does. Yeh Julian passing
the torch new Julian and Bosba Julian as all right.
Email from Bobby and Squantum. Just want to give a
shout out to Paul for looking so slim these days.
But somebody's got to give the guy a number for
a good tailor. I saw him wearing a suit on
All Access and he looked like David Byrne something.

Speaker 19 (01:07:16):
Anymore. You lost too much.

Speaker 1 (01:07:18):
That's a good thing. That is a good thing. Yeah,
maybe a little, Alex, you should take the Pu crew shopping.

Speaker 19 (01:07:23):
Okay, So you just took the words out of my mouse.

Speaker 20 (01:07:27):
I have a very close family friend who for years
was like a really high profile tailor down in Palm
Beach on Worth Avenue. So those are of you who
are familiar with that. It's big money at a place
called Trillium. And I'm just like picturing Paul in a
place like that where everything is like custom made, imported
Kashmir from Europe. Like, can you imagine Paul going in

(01:07:48):
there to.

Speaker 1 (01:07:48):
Get a I should do it before next year's draft.

Speaker 20 (01:07:51):
Also, send me to Palm Beach with Paul and we'll
play some golf.

Speaker 19 (01:07:56):
We'll get him a new suit. I think it'd be great.

Speaker 1 (01:07:58):
Content had that place too. For Evan, we'll get a
custom cues.

Speaker 21 (01:08:02):
It needs new cuss yea rot.

Speaker 1 (01:08:07):
A little, just a little all right? Subject subject? Do
you read emails? That's what I'm doing right now, uh
from Matt and Devin UK. I love you guys, but
do you ever read emails from anyone other than the
same few people. I've emailed a lot and never get read.
Here you go, Devin, anyway, I know there will be
some player comparisons going forward, such as Henderson and Luther Burden,

(01:08:29):
Williams and Jalen Nowell, et cetera. The one I'm more
fascinated by is us and the Bears over the next
few years. I love our free agency and draft, but
I also love what the Bears have done in free
agency and the draft. It'll be interesting to see how
both teams compare with the young quarterbacks that we could
have had, and that we could have had Ben Johnson
but chose. Brabelin said.

Speaker 19 (01:08:48):
Comparison is the thief of joy.

Speaker 1 (01:08:50):
Dyke was not Fred's back of the envelope guy, but mine.

Speaker 23 (01:08:53):
It's not DK, all right, Jesus dKH Anyway, I emailed
it and them and haven't laughed at me and said
that DK may not even get drafted, haven't you?

Speaker 1 (01:09:06):
And I will come back to the subject. Oh my god,
if you're right, I'll buy you lunch of them. Right,
I'll get a formal apology in a PU T shirt.
So let's get to the T shirt that's coming now,
because I've been working on yes, tirelessly. It'll have to
it's the it'll be. It'll be there by twenty twenty six.
But the Bears and Patriots. Interesting because I.

Speaker 2 (01:09:25):
Love that conversation.

Speaker 1 (01:09:27):
Huh. I love that the Bears Patriots comparison time. Yeah yeah,
I mean Williams.

Speaker 21 (01:09:31):
They've upgraded different or pretty much all the same positions,
just different guys. So it's like, honestly, just who's which
guys are going to be the ones they are going
to perform, you know, like they have they won with
the Dunes. They they have upgraded their whole line. They
believes their guards. Yes that's fair enough, they do have
the upside there, but you know, they have focused a

(01:09:53):
lot on their offensive side of the wall, and I
think the Pats uh a little bit more of the
defensive side, but have upgraded their off too.

Speaker 10 (01:10:00):
So I mean, I'm excited to kind of see what happens.

Speaker 1 (01:10:03):
We'll see when they play again the two revamped teams.

Speaker 20 (01:10:06):
There one thing real quick on just how to get
your emails read.

Speaker 19 (01:10:09):
Fred has touched on this a little bit on the show.

Speaker 20 (01:10:11):
But the subject of the email is important, but sometimes
people bait him with like a really creative or like
a clickbait headline. Right, So he said that the first
few lines of your email are really important because it
shows up in the preview so got creative.

Speaker 1 (01:10:26):
There, there we go, all right. Kamel from Georgia one
talking about Adam Vinitary had me thinking, how do you
guys feel about Stephen Gostkowski. I mean it's a great kicker. Yeah,
all the time you go from military to gostkalk spoilt
And honestly, the only complaint I have was Gostkowski is
when they push the Pats back. He missed in the

(01:10:46):
AFC Championship against the Broncos. That I'd meant, think.

Speaker 19 (01:10:50):
Of another negative memory.

Speaker 1 (01:10:52):
Yeah, and that's a good thing.

Speaker 21 (01:10:53):
Yeah, you don't like betweenskouscheme kick Folk, Nick Folk.

Speaker 4 (01:10:59):
Yeah that was a our trio.

Speaker 20 (01:11:01):
Yeah, but I think Goskowski invent Terry were in a different.

Speaker 1 (01:11:04):
Oh yeah, no, I'm not if you're talking transition, yeah,
for sure. Kickers here, yeah, talking consistency are good. But
now I'll see what Bory got is little.

Speaker 19 (01:11:16):
I did my draft profile on him. Fired up?

Speaker 1 (01:11:19):
Okay, all right for a kicker, fired up, feeling missed.

Speaker 21 (01:11:23):
I think eight total kicksal case.

Speaker 1 (01:11:26):
A little game here, good afternoon. Knowing how much Paul
enjoys these games, don't worry, we enjoy them too, and
Fred despises them. And and emails in general. I've made
a way too early over undergame for the Patriots for
the upcoming season. All right, first one win, seven point
five over. I'm optimistically going over.

Speaker 19 (01:11:43):
I'm going speaking into existence over.

Speaker 1 (01:11:45):
Yeah, yeah, okay, May passing touchdowns thirty and a half,
thirty point five under. I'm going going under on that.
Ma interceptions ten under.

Speaker 10 (01:11:58):
He had eleven last year.

Speaker 19 (01:12:00):
Under.

Speaker 1 (01:12:00):
It's gonna improve, I'll say under. Actually i'll say over,
but I think some will be like the booty one
in Arizona where I'm gonna slips off the hand. No,
I'm saying I'll say over, but like eleven, like not
by a lot so negative Digs receiving yards eight hundred
over over, yeah over. Patriots haven't had a thousand receiver

(01:12:23):
in a very long time. Yeah, all right, over, I
like that Williams receiving yards over four hundred.

Speaker 17 (01:12:31):
Let it go.

Speaker 1 (01:12:32):
I'm gonna say I'll say over for that too. I
know I'll be optimistic and say I'm.

Speaker 10 (01:12:38):
Gonna say over for that.

Speaker 2 (01:12:39):
I don't think it's crazy market.

Speaker 19 (01:12:42):
There's so much competition position.

Speaker 1 (01:12:46):
In Washington, all right. In college Gonzo interceptions three going over,
I'm gonna push over, give it to me, all right.
I'm gonna say he gets three white SAT five No,
no under under? Yeah under? All right, games scoring thirty

(01:13:07):
plus two and a half, I'm going over. I'm gonna
go under because we took the wins is over? Yeah,
all right, I'm go going I think all right, game
scoring lessons wins games, game scoring lessons twenty two under,
game game scoring less than twenty five ten.

Speaker 21 (01:13:29):
Well, if I went under on the other one, I
feel like, yeah, going on there, I have to go under.

Speaker 1 (01:13:33):
Yet, Okay, you over?

Speaker 19 (01:13:36):
Sorry, twenty seven points is such a sweet spot.

Speaker 1 (01:13:39):
Yeah, twenty five, I know, but that's always.

Speaker 19 (01:13:44):
Under thirty. I'm gonna say over.

Speaker 1 (01:13:46):
Okay, hope you enjoyed guys. Kyle from Pemberg.

Speaker 4 (01:13:48):
I like that.

Speaker 1 (01:13:50):
I think Paul would have enjoyed it too. But you know,
we got to enjoy it, all right. Last one evan
Star Wars George Lucas added number added episode numbers of
the Star Wars film in nineteen eighty one. Or do
you when you realized he'd likely have the money to
make an entire story he envisioned. I could be wrong,
but I think that means the titles are older than Evan. Regardless,
Evans take about how some people say they're one, two

(01:14:11):
and three feels as hilarious as how he hates watermelon
because it's wet and can't stand Pam Beasley because she
wanted to paint Robin in Alaska.

Speaker 10 (01:14:19):
I mean, I agree with the Pam take.

Speaker 19 (01:14:21):
I don't know Canas from the Office too.

Speaker 1 (01:14:24):
I don't like the Office. You're a fake, it's overrated. Whatever, Okay,
I think that's you can take. I mean, yeah, Alex
star Wars, I.

Speaker 19 (01:14:35):
Have nothing to say.

Speaker 21 (01:14:36):
I'm gonna say I like Star Wars, but I the
people that say that. So he say, Evan says it's one,
two three, thanks, like the first three or the first three? Yeah,
I disagree with that because the order of operations doesn't
make sense.

Speaker 1 (01:14:48):
No, Phantom Menace is the first one. Yeah, okay, okay,
all right, so we're all clear. Perfect Evan bad take.

Speaker 19 (01:14:53):
Yes for planning that up for me.

Speaker 1 (01:14:54):
All right, guys, thank you for listening to p U extras.
If your emails don't get read, Patriots from Filter to
send them here and we'll read them after.

Speaker 4 (01:15:05):
And now great moments in.

Speaker 1 (01:15:09):
History, come on, I don't.

Speaker 4 (01:15:13):
Felger still to this day.

Speaker 2 (01:15:15):
Felger is not the end all be all of conversation.
There's other people saying.

Speaker 4 (01:15:20):
Stuff and a lot of people. The only one guy
was all Brady. It's only when he said that while
Brady was here with Bill who said that.

Speaker 2 (01:15:26):
Tons of people who on this show. I mean, do
I have to go back to the eat.

Speaker 4 (01:15:31):
I've never said that, So you better not be insinuated.

Speaker 3 (01:15:34):
You're talking about emailers, callers.

Speaker 4 (01:15:37):
There's only one guy on whose voice matters in the town,
and it's Michael. I mean the guy. He's the only
guy even.

Speaker 3 (01:15:43):
Moves to need.

Speaker 2 (01:15:47):
Whip.

Speaker 4 (01:15:47):
That's a lot of hero worship you think. I think
he's insane.

Speaker 2 (01:15:50):
I didn't know you had such a love it.

Speaker 24 (01:15:51):
I couldn't possibly disagree with him more. It's got nothing
to do with hero what he thinks. He thinks that
they could win the division with Brian Oyer. I couldn't
possibly disagree with There's nothing to do with hero worship.
But don't tell me that Glenn wood Way. He has
a pulse on anything that's going on. Yes, Bill, Yes, Bill,
don't see what Bill?

Speaker 10 (01:16:08):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (01:16:08):
Should wives get together? Are we going to do this
this weekend?

Speaker 1 (01:16:11):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (01:16:11):
Okay? Bill?

Speaker 1 (01:16:12):
That's another great moment.

Speaker 2 (01:16:16):
All right back here on Patriot's Unfiltered A five five
past five hundred is the Hotline podcast at Patriots dot
com as the email address. We had Jack Gibbons earlier.
Like I said, every team should have a linebacker named Jack.
Now we do. So that's good. Check that box. Do
you like that?

Speaker 10 (01:16:34):
Evan?

Speaker 4 (01:16:34):
See they're not reruns if you've never heard them, But
that's right. That forever and then gave me the pop
that you wanted.

Speaker 2 (01:16:40):
I did that forever. All right, let's get to some
of these emails. Jake in Melbourne, uh says, maybe it's
just different expectations or maybe not getting caught up in
the current state of mind of some fans, where teams
with similar records as the Patriots last year are suddenly
bookmarked as wins for this year. I feel like this
year will or should be a year of exploration. I'm

(01:17:02):
not sure about everyone else, but I have the vast
majority of the roster where I don't know what they'll produce,
good or bad. While excited and optimistic about the new regime,
I feel like a lot of fans are seeing this
upcoming season as a guaranteed major improvement on the last
few seasons record wise, But I think expectations should be tempered.

Speaker 3 (01:17:21):
I agree with that email very much.

Speaker 2 (01:17:23):
But is there a difference between expectations being tempered and
enthusiasm shouldn't be in.

Speaker 4 (01:17:29):
A good Yeah, And I would also say not to
bog it into semantics like I often do. Is you
know what would you consider great improvement? Because I am
very confident that this team is going to be improved. Yeah,
me too, I'm extremely confident of that. I don't know
what that translates to number of wins. Evan and I
were talking off air a little bit. You know, if

(01:17:49):
they were to win, say eight games, I think based
on the tenor of some fans, I think there'd be
some disappointment. I'd be out of my mind excited, Like
you doubled your win total in year one. I think
that would be cause for a lot of celebration.

Speaker 10 (01:18:03):
They're gonna win more than four games, yes, but that's
how I feel. How many you know, we'll see, but
they're gonna win more than four games, and I think
eight and nine. Like, you just want it to be
headed in the right direction, you know, you want to
see that arrow pointed upward and win some games that
you wouldn't have won the last couple of years, maybe
in styles that you wouldn't have won them in. Like
can you score into the thirties and win a game?

Speaker 4 (01:18:25):
That's a good point too. How the wins come about,
that's a good.

Speaker 10 (01:18:27):
Point, Like you know, going back to you know, obviously
twenty one, twenty two, the twenty two season, Really they
were eight and nine, weren't they? And but that team
wasn't good, Like you could tell that that team couldn't score.

Speaker 4 (01:18:41):
I mean, they only had one way to win, right, But.

Speaker 10 (01:18:44):
Is can this team win thirty five thirty one against Miami?

Speaker 3 (01:18:48):
Like?

Speaker 4 (01:18:48):
Can they or come from behind?

Speaker 10 (01:18:50):
Right? Can they come from behind? Can Drake may orchestrate
a fourth quarter comeback or a game winning driver or two?
Like if they start doing those types of things, even
if the win total isn't crazy, like that's what you want,
it's start to see.

Speaker 3 (01:19:03):
I feel a little bit broken by the last couple
of years and just not trusting myself. I've seen some
stuff the.

Speaker 2 (01:19:08):
Shelter when he kept getting because I felt.

Speaker 3 (01:19:15):
Enthus I'm an enthusiastic guy. Anyway, It's not a high
bar like and I think all NFL fans at this
time year should have some enthusiasm for their for their team.
But you know, was I too enthusiastic about terrible teams
a couple of the last couple of years?

Speaker 1 (01:19:28):
You know?

Speaker 3 (01:19:28):
Am I am? I walking myself into the same kind
of false belief. I really, really, really, truly in my
heart believe that this team is going to be better,
that they will be a solid football team. I don't
know exactly what it'll mean, but I'm still questioning myself
based on the last couple of years.

Speaker 2 (01:19:41):
And listen, even even if I didn't see them, I
have to admit that last year the signs were there
of maybe they're.

Speaker 9 (01:19:50):
Not brought back same team.

Speaker 2 (01:19:53):
Maybe maybe I was, you know, refusing to see them.

Speaker 3 (01:19:56):
And it's stupid always coming through of like Paul mentioned this,
damn man, it's been right way too much since I
started working here.

Speaker 2 (01:20:04):
So someone who you know, maybe did see some signs
last year. Fishers in the damn or whatever you want
to call them, What do you think this year? Do
you think? Do you know?

Speaker 4 (01:20:15):
Well, I'm not talking about abstract things that I don't know,
Like last year when everyone told me the offensive line
coach was going to be great because he had a
different system. I don't know any of that, right, I
can't control. I don't see just in terms of like
I'm just talking about the players. Do I think it's
better this year than last year? Yes, because I think
they went out, as Alex just said, and replaced guys

(01:20:36):
on the roster with players that I think at least
are better. And this is why I never got on
board with the over the top enthusiasm last year. At
this time, you ran it back. You brought in a
rookie quarterback and otherwise ran it back. And I was
excited about the rookie quarterback, but I didn't think it
was going to translate to a lot of success because
generally it doesn't work like Jayden Daniels and c J. Stroud.

(01:21:00):
Generally it works like Drake May last year. You have
struggles even when the guy exhibits a level a level
of competence. And I would say that's what Drake May
did last year. He looks like he knows what he's doing.
But generally that doesn't translate to a dramatic spike in victory.

Speaker 3 (01:21:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (01:21:14):
I mean, I was probably more optimistic about bringing some
of the guys they brought back. But as soon as
we got into training camp, I mean, they couldn't block anybody.
So the practices were pretty obvious right away that that
Eagles practice.

Speaker 4 (01:21:28):
The Eagles practice was ground zero for that. That was
it for me, right. I knew I was right when
I saw that practice and they can't block.

Speaker 10 (01:21:35):
And he also just put it on top, you know,
some of the coaching stuff that was going on too,
and it just it didn't look right.

Speaker 2 (01:21:42):
Right.

Speaker 4 (01:21:42):
So I can sit there and I can convince myself
that all of these coaches that are coming in are
better than that. But I might go out of training
camp and watch them have a joint practice against either
Washington or Minnesota, you know, those are the first two
preseason games, and say, you know what, this coaching staff
looks a lot like last year's coach staff.

Speaker 1 (01:22:00):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:22:01):
I think it's better. I think Doug Moron and Josh
McDaniels will make the offense better, but you don't know
until you see it.

Speaker 2 (01:22:09):
Kyle and Pembroke. I have three hot takes and predictions
in response to the schedule release that I want you
guys to react to. I know it's too early for
any of these, but why not One the Patriots will
be four to zero in prime time games this year.

Speaker 10 (01:22:21):
They only have three, right, so that's false.

Speaker 2 (01:22:25):
Two Week eighteen versus Miami will be a win and
get a get in game for both teams. In regards
to the wild card making it a prime time game. Oh,
he says a win and get in It won't be
a win. It'll be a win and get in game.

Speaker 4 (01:22:40):
That's going to be flexed into and that's where he's
getting the fourth prime time got Okay, Okay, I see
it's not not far fetched, not far fetching that could happen.

Speaker 2 (01:22:49):
Okay, Three, This easy schedule and he has easy in quotes,
just so you know, will be harder than people think.
The Panthers, Titans, and Giants all have the potential of
being better this year and could be more difficult than expected.
What do you think I agree with that?

Speaker 10 (01:23:05):
Sure, I would not pick those teams, but I think
there's always a chance that teams are better.

Speaker 4 (01:23:11):
Than what you team that people just think is a
layup in. I think if Kenny Pickett, as an example,
just was what do you what do you? And Alex
call it net neutral? If Kenny Pickett was just net neutral.
I think that team could be decent, like a seven
to eight nine win team as opposed to a three
or four win team, and that could be a tougher

(01:23:32):
game than you think. I'm kind of with Evan on
the others. I don't really see it. With Carolina or
Tennis New Orleans I think is dreadfully bad.

Speaker 10 (01:23:40):
Zero. The league thinks they're dreadfully YEA.

Speaker 2 (01:23:44):
Kamel from Georgia writes in one what are your thoughts
about people wanting an NFL draft.

Speaker 4 (01:23:48):
Lottery seeing that a lot lately that's a thing.

Speaker 2 (01:23:53):
Well, my thing is other than the first round. You
keep it the same, but the first round is a
complete lottery, all teams involved, thirty two teams.

Speaker 4 (01:24:01):
Let's let's Christmas Fret's theory of how the Patriots could
get the first overall pick after winning.

Speaker 2 (01:24:06):
And then and then the rest of the rounds go
back to record.

Speaker 10 (01:24:09):
So the reason why people are pushing for this is
because of the of the television stuff like it's a
The NBA draft lottery does decent numbers, so an NFL
draft lottery will do.

Speaker 4 (01:24:21):
The NHL lottery got a little tracksh not like the
na will do huge numbers.

Speaker 10 (01:24:25):
So like people like Adam Scheff are going on ESPN
and vouching for an NFL draft lottery. He's looking at
his his wallet and saying, this would be a great
television event for us to do this. The NFL doesn't
need a lottery, Like the NFL doesn't have a tanking issue.
There's just teams that aren't very good. That doesn't mean
they're tanking. Like the Patriots last year had all the

(01:24:45):
reason in the world to tank. In the last week
of the season, they won the damn game. So like,
how is that that's not tanking?

Speaker 4 (01:24:52):
They don't play enough games to really tank, right.

Speaker 10 (01:24:54):
Like the NBA has a tanking problem. They have teams
like Utah who have for three years now, I've purposely
tried to lose games like that.

Speaker 2 (01:25:02):
That's but what about the purgatory issue, Like if you
are a middling team year after year, it's easy to
stay middling because you never really get a shot at
that that great player.

Speaker 9 (01:25:14):
I don't think it's happened this year.

Speaker 6 (01:25:16):
I mean, Dallas is gonna get Cooper Flag after trading Luka,
but you know, and.

Speaker 10 (01:25:22):
They had a one eleventh best chance to get it.

Speaker 4 (01:25:26):
Yeah, I don't think purgatory is a problem in the NFL.
It can be a problem in the winter leagues. Yes,
I think taking it.

Speaker 10 (01:25:34):
As a problem in the NBA, which is what the
lottery is for. But like the thing with the tanking
is is like, if you're Utah, how else are you
going to get better? Besides getting a top draft pick.
You're not drawing any free agents, You're not pulling off
any trades. Like, so the only way that a team
like Utah gets better is by getting Cooper Flag, Like
that's the only way they can do it. That's not

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the case in the NFL. At the end of you
can build a roster in different ways in the n
the field than you can in the NBA. And I
just I don't think it's a big issue.

Speaker 4 (01:26:04):
I agree, I don't think. I think there's a lot
of middling teams that have plenty of ways to get talent,
like you, I mean, everybody can get free agents, and
everybody can draft good players. In the first round. In
the NBA, there's like three good players, so the idea
is drafted.

Speaker 6 (01:26:21):
And aside from the quarterback and position in football like
basketball is so different, where one player really can the
entire dynamic of a team football.

Speaker 2 (01:26:31):
There's just so many quarters.

Speaker 9 (01:26:33):
That's why, that's why I preface it.

Speaker 3 (01:26:35):
I like it, Fred I, I'm maybe on the opposite side.
I'm with you, I don't. I mean, I agree with
everything Evan saying. I just think it takes that whole
element out of it. And how many teams are always
picking in the top ten, like they're always up there.

Speaker 2 (01:26:46):
And I'm sick of the team in the top ten
and then they don't get better, but.

Speaker 10 (01:26:50):
They're only going to be They're not going to do
a thirty two teams.

Speaker 2 (01:26:53):
No, just because no one does. It doesn't NBA does
top ten.

Speaker 4 (01:27:03):
Teams that don't make the NHL. I believe it's not
everybody that doesn't.

Speaker 2 (01:27:07):
Make the PA.

Speaker 3 (01:27:08):
I'd be on board with that. I don't know if
I could get on board with the I don't hate.

Speaker 4 (01:27:11):
The idea of a lottery. I wouldn't say no, But
I agree with Evan if that if they do it,
it's only because of it's not it's not to solve
a problem because they want more money problem, and that's
what And I would argue that it hasn't really worked,
to be honest, But I do agree with you. It
was all about I think there was a year that Houston.
I think there was like a tanking to miss the playoffs.

Speaker 10 (01:27:36):
Yeah, I mean teams really bad like Dallas, like probably
could have pushed at the end of the season to
be in the play in and they purposely didn't.

Speaker 4 (01:27:45):
They weren't in the plan.

Speaker 10 (01:27:46):
No, I mean no, I don't think so well they
they might have been, but they they got into this
position on purpose, like they obviously they trade Luca, but
like they got.

Speaker 4 (01:27:56):
Into the position after that trade too, and.

Speaker 10 (01:28:00):
They they pulled the plug on the season to get
into the lottery, and they got lucky. They the ping
pong balls fell their way.

Speaker 2 (01:28:05):
Ultimately lucky too. Does Cam Williams going to the Broncos
mean anything for the Patriots?

Speaker 3 (01:28:11):
They're gonna have to hire a new guy, But I
think that's a loss.

Speaker 4 (01:28:14):
I think that he's a guy that was uh well
thought of, and I think he did a good job.
I think people considered him very competent at his job,
got a promotion. Now, we liked him obviously because we
had him on the you know, like the draft shows.
We had some good interaction with him. But I think
he's well and I think I.

Speaker 2 (01:28:30):
Think, you know, everybody's looking like where am I going
to be in two three years? And I think here,
you know now that with Rabel in, but Elliott's not
going anywhere. He brought rabel brought with him, you know.
So plus it's a promotion for him, like yeah, so
he he wants to go to rise up there.

Speaker 4 (01:28:50):
They had two guys just leave higher ups under is
it Patent or Peyton? How do you pronounce Patton? George Patten?

Speaker 10 (01:28:58):
Yeah, but they I mean, no disrespect to camp Williams,
so I liked and got to know a little bit
is a great guy. I mean he was not making
any real decisions here.

Speaker 4 (01:29:10):
No, right, you know that wasn't That's what I'm saying.
It's a promotion, Yeah, because he's going to be in
a decision. Well he's going to have input more I
think with Denver than he did. Yeah.

Speaker 10 (01:29:18):
Yeah, I just remember talking to you know, Elliott at
the combine and like when they had like a will
Campbell Travis Hunter level prospect that Macro was the one
that was actually writing the scouting reports for those players
for the Patriots, not not cam So like they like
that those types of high level decisions were were out
of his hands.

Speaker 2 (01:29:38):
And finally, with the schedule coming out, what games times
do you like more? The one four, twenty five or
prime time one o'clock.

Speaker 4 (01:29:45):
We're all, yeah, that's my favorite part of the schedule.
It was all these one o'clock games.

Speaker 2 (01:29:52):
Yeah, Sam and Saint Catharine's am I crazy for thinking
that we could upset the Ravens. Maybe I'm re I'm
ring things incorrectly, but I believe Rabels Titans were a
constant pain in the behind for the Ravens. And no
one knows Derek Henry's strengths and weakness is better than him.
I'm sure we'll have some surprises losses too, and ultimately

(01:30:13):
I think will be somewhere in the hunt, whether that's
wild Carter just missing the cut.

Speaker 4 (01:30:17):
So they beat them in the playoffs right when they
went to the AFC Championship game. Lamar's rookie year, right,
not his rookie year, but that first year that he
was an MVP, his first MVP BEF the Titans.

Speaker 10 (01:30:28):
I thought it was that rookie season, but maybe that
was the Chargers that beat him.

Speaker 4 (01:30:31):
Yeah, the Chargers beat him in the playoffs. Yeah, but again,
an AFC Championship caliber roster gave Lamar Jackson trouble not
a four and thirteen team. But yeah, I mean again,
I don't tell you that upsets don't happen. Last year,
I believe that the Ravens lost like four or five games.

(01:30:53):
They lost to the Raiders, they lost to someone else
that was really bad and I can't remember now remember,
but good teams lose to bad teams. Cincinnati lost to
the Patriots last year ultimately knocked them out of the playoffs.
They would have been in the playoffs with ten wins
they had they won that opening game. So upsets happened.

Speaker 2 (01:31:14):
Yeah, I five Pats five hundred is the hotline. Let's
go to Randy in Providence. What's up, Randy?

Speaker 25 (01:31:23):
Hey, guys, how's it growing at a good So I'm
one of the more optimistic guys I guess about the
Patriots there. I think eight to ten wins is perfectly
reasonable to built for anyway.

Speaker 11 (01:31:36):
It may do not expect, but I do.

Speaker 26 (01:31:39):
Think like two of the big takeaways that I had
from the schedule coming out.

Speaker 25 (01:31:43):
Last night is that Game one is the Raiders, right,
They're coming here.

Speaker 26 (01:31:48):
And we expect that offense to kind of be built.

Speaker 25 (01:31:51):
Around the Rush a lot, and particularly around a rookie
running back who I looked up in his game log.
He's only played once in the Eastern time. That was
last year with a four PM.

Speaker 4 (01:32:04):
Can we please retire that?

Speaker 10 (01:32:06):
No, No, it's a thing, not a thing. Ten a
m body clock.

Speaker 4 (01:32:13):
The whole West coast coming east is not a thing anymore.
It's a thing like Seattle last last year and week.

Speaker 10 (01:32:19):
You stick to your take.

Speaker 4 (01:32:20):
Oh, I've heard this this take about twelve times today.
I'm done with.

Speaker 25 (01:32:26):
But I think a rookie running back making his first
trip to the East coast.

Speaker 4 (01:32:30):
For early year not going to Mars.

Speaker 25 (01:32:32):
Be a little grown up.

Speaker 26 (01:32:35):
But then the second game that I took a look
at and I liked was that Cincinnati Bengals game. I
think that's a game that they could potentially see. And
I think that's because you're coming off ten days Rush.

Speaker 4 (01:32:48):
I think I heard that guy this morning.

Speaker 25 (01:32:50):
Fingers crossed a Jets home win. But the Bengals have
is why was before us and the Ravens four days
after us? And I think they could be looking through us.

Speaker 4 (01:33:05):
Okay, could could be so if all the other teams
stink and roll over. The Patriots will have a great
year print out on a slogan.

Speaker 2 (01:33:13):
Randy, I like it. I'm with you. Eight to ten
is completely rare.

Speaker 4 (01:33:17):
I don't know if you know, but Ashton genty will
not know how to run in the Eastern time zone.
It's a ten a m.

Speaker 10 (01:33:23):
Bodyclock game, Paul.

Speaker 4 (01:33:25):
Correct, He's never been in the East coast, so he's
gonna be like, that's not what I'm saying. It's not
like the turf, and I hope the blue. I hope
that just a green turf.

Speaker 10 (01:33:36):
And then I hope that they pulled the fire alarm
at the hotel at like three o'clock in the morning.

Speaker 1 (01:33:41):
It's gonna happen.

Speaker 2 (01:33:42):
We're gonna win.

Speaker 10 (01:33:43):
No, you take out all the things you need and
they pull that fire alarm.

Speaker 3 (01:33:47):
If you were playing at Mars, Paul, you would want
Askton gent.

Speaker 4 (01:33:50):
Cleveland's Baltimore also lost in Cleveland last.

Speaker 2 (01:33:52):
Year, loss to the Patriots.

Speaker 10 (01:33:56):
That's a division game.

Speaker 4 (01:33:57):
They're gonna lose again this year because they're going to
be looking ahead to the next game.

Speaker 2 (01:34:01):
That's right, right.

Speaker 4 (01:34:02):
I got a question.

Speaker 3 (01:34:03):
Is there a difference between like an upset and a
game that and a win that actually means something like
sometimes you're like, you catch a team at the right time. No,
it doesn't prove an you think that.

Speaker 4 (01:34:12):
Can be the same thing last year the low But
that's not really and that was situational, right, Like, but Cincinnati,
they upset Cincinnati, Why didn't that mean anything?

Speaker 3 (01:34:21):
Because well, for them, ultimately, they weren't a team that
could be They weren't a team on that level of Cincinnati.

Speaker 2 (01:34:28):
They were a tier and it turns out wasn't that great.

Speaker 4 (01:34:31):
But an upset, that's true. But an upset is an upset.
But that means the better team talent wise lost to
the inferior team. Whether that means that the inferior team
is better than we thought, it's still meant something. They
still beat a team that was better than them.

Speaker 3 (01:34:44):
Yeah, okay, all right, but fair enough.

Speaker 2 (01:34:46):
No, but I hear what you're saying to Mike, Like,
in hindsight, you look back and go, you know, at
the time, we thought it was a big upset, but
it really wasn't.

Speaker 4 (01:34:55):
Wasn't that good or you were a lot better?

Speaker 2 (01:34:57):
Right?

Speaker 10 (01:34:57):
Yeah, it was marketably better than the Patriots.

Speaker 4 (01:35:01):
Of course, that was as big en upset as you
can get.

Speaker 3 (01:35:05):
Yeah, yeah, but That's why when like people took it
looking like Baltimore and like we could upset them. Well, yeah,
like you're saying that maybe Lamar has a terrible game
and it's in the wind, or you know, there's a monsoon,
or the Patriots are just a better football team than
the Ravens. Like there's a big difference between that at No.

Speaker 4 (01:35:19):
I got your question.

Speaker 3 (01:35:21):
A lot of times when people call in and say it,
they're saying more like they're gonna be the better team
than the Ravens that night, rather than I think everything's
gonna line up for them in week seventeen and they're
gonna be able to be the race.

Speaker 4 (01:35:32):
So when the pink upsets happened, I think sometimes the
better team doesn't win the game. Now, does it always
mean something in the long term, nor, to answer your question,
sometimes it does. But like Fred said, what if the
Patriots are like ten and four going into that game,
I still would think Baltimore is better than them and

(01:35:52):
they could upset them, and it would mean plenty. It
would mean that you're really good too.

Speaker 1 (01:35:56):
And no.

Speaker 2 (01:35:57):
One when the Patriots were fourteen point underdogs to the Rams,
huge upset, but in hindsight, were the Patriots that were
they underrated?

Speaker 3 (01:36:07):
I think maybe a little day we knew it was real.

Speaker 2 (01:36:11):
You know, were they better than we? You know, people
were giving them credit for it. Should it have been fourteen?
Should have been more like six?

Speaker 4 (01:36:18):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:36:18):
I mean maybe this is a bibie question, but like
to have the Patriots had a meaningful win over the
last two years, like legitimately.

Speaker 10 (01:36:25):
I think the game that they beat Buffalo here in
twenty I don't know, I know, I know, I.

Speaker 2 (01:36:29):
Know, I think I think there can't be any meaningful
wins unless you end up in the playoffs.

Speaker 10 (01:36:33):
Right at the time, that game, I think felt like
a meaningful game. They hadn't beaten Josh Allen and really
solved that problem. Beat it beat a good team. It
was a come from behind, like fourth quarter.

Speaker 4 (01:36:44):
It wasn't because you couldn't throw the ball because of
the weather.

Speaker 10 (01:36:49):
Now granted it was like one screen that he took
like forty yards to drive.

Speaker 2 (01:36:54):
But I mean, if you say it a game, what meaning.

Speaker 10 (01:37:03):
I mean like just throwing that out.

Speaker 2 (01:37:04):
But if you say game has a meaning, it was
a meaningful win.

Speaker 4 (01:37:08):
Pop, what is the meaning? What was what?

Speaker 10 (01:37:10):
It turned out not to be anything?

Speaker 2 (01:37:12):
But in the moment, it wasn't meaningful.

Speaker 4 (01:37:14):
Well, in hindsight it.

Speaker 10 (01:37:15):
Was, but in the moment, it felt like that was
the one thing they had.

Speaker 2 (01:37:18):
Everyone is great in the moment, but like, no, this
you had to take the question in the spirit.

Speaker 10 (01:37:25):
That it was me that that the game last year
in Cincinnati was not great in the moment. Even Gerard
knew that it.

Speaker 2 (01:37:31):
Wasn't great in the moment.

Speaker 10 (01:37:33):
Are you kidding, room, Yeah, it felt like they won
the Super Bowl one game.

Speaker 2 (01:37:40):
It was great in the moments.

Speaker 4 (01:37:42):
Okay, but even the coach that the way they played
was so obviously but no, but it was the way
they had to play to win, and they did it.
But it required the other team pooping all over it.

Speaker 2 (01:37:54):
They took advantage of bad football.

Speaker 10 (01:37:58):
When when the when I the next day that was
even sat himself that that game was of course, I
would say that the Buffalo game from two years ago
that Evan's talking about was a lot more.

Speaker 4 (01:38:10):
Sure. It wasn't just because Buffalo didn't bring it that day.
The Patriots played well. They did, and they stuck around,
and they hung around, they hung around, and they stole.

Speaker 2 (01:38:17):
It wasn't the game from which the Patriots then got better.

Speaker 10 (01:38:22):
But you know it WASNTI game.

Speaker 2 (01:38:24):
Right, so at the end of the day, but there
was two things he was talking about in the moment.
It was a great win, it didn't turn out to
be a meaningful win. It did both to be true.

Speaker 4 (01:38:33):
Can you give me an example of a meaningful win?

Speaker 2 (01:38:35):
I have one.

Speaker 1 (01:38:36):
I have one.

Speaker 3 (01:38:38):
You know, the season finale last year it was a
meaningful win because it.

Speaker 4 (01:38:48):
Mean that's a semantic argument that I be prue. But
can you honestly, because I think Fred the only thing
the way you can have a meaningful win is if
it ends up in the Super Bowl winning season or
like you get.

Speaker 10 (01:38:59):
Maybe when they got in Cincinnati last year Week one,
it was it was a nice win for drawd and
for the regime and all that kind of stuff to
get the win week one. But everybody came out of
that game and said, they're never winning a football game
like that ever again. Even the coach said it that
they weren't gonna win it. When they beat Buffalo a
couple of years ago, the conversation around that game was
it could go one of two ways. This could either

(01:39:20):
be a jumping off point or it was, you know,
a blip.

Speaker 2 (01:39:24):
It was right, And if it was a jumping off,
then it would have become a meaningful game. But it wasn't.
It wasn't a meaningful game, but the time, in the moment,
it was a great win.

Speaker 4 (01:39:33):
I think you can win games that don't ultimately lead
to tremendous success that are meaningful. Sure, you know, I
can't even think of one off the top of my
head now, but I think.

Speaker 3 (01:39:43):
Forrest two years, it's hard to have eight.

Speaker 4 (01:39:45):
Because I don't think they've had I don't think they've
had any meaningful I think the closest to a meaningful
win is that Buffalo again, right, It has to mean something,
But that meant something that was a good win.

Speaker 3 (01:39:55):
But a meaningful game in twenty twenty three would have
been faith restored in Belichick and the system and that
the guys are on board, because it felt like that was.

Speaker 2 (01:40:02):
They had a lot of meaningful losses.

Speaker 3 (01:40:04):
It's hard to find it last year. I mean, then,
I think you're right to point to that, since when
it was just a proof that they could win a game,
regardless of how it looked. But ultimately, in the grand
scheme of things, it wasn't mean. It wasn't, you know,
I think it goes back to what Fred said, like,
I'm just happy I've gotten us onto a weird puse sman.

Speaker 4 (01:40:19):
No, I like it. I like it, but I like
sort of looking at things from different levels.

Speaker 3 (01:40:24):
Yeah, but that's what I mean. The root of it, though,
is when people call in and they say, like, I
think the Patriots could beat the Ravens, Like, of course
they could win any single one of these games.

Speaker 4 (01:40:33):
Everybody tells you they can't.

Speaker 2 (01:40:35):
The meaningful win right after the Patriots aren't good anymore.
They came and they beat the Bengals. That was a
meaningful win.

Speaker 4 (01:40:44):
So but that was only because they went on to
win the Super Bowl. According to you, Yeah, it meant
that they To me, you get backed into a court.
I think I think the Celtics winning last night was
a meaningful win even if they lose tomorrow night, okay,
because I think that they sort of had two choices.
You can tucktail and home and feel sorry for yourself. Well,
you can stand up and be a championship caliber team

(01:41:04):
and do what you're supposed to do to an inferior
opponent at home.

Speaker 1 (01:41:07):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (01:41:08):
I think this meaning in that whether it leads to
a comeback from three to one happen to agree with you, like,
I don't think what happens after a should impact whether
or not you're thinking.

Speaker 10 (01:41:18):
For Celtics fans, and I needed that game.

Speaker 1 (01:41:21):
I needed it.

Speaker 2 (01:41:23):
Meaning to you.

Speaker 10 (01:41:23):
I was sitting there like first quarter second for me,
I couldn't get myself.

Speaker 4 (01:41:28):
If they tomorrow night, I'll feel better than I would
have if they lost last night. Sure, and I know
that sounds silly.

Speaker 3 (01:41:34):
It's the same thing. At least I'll feel better.

Speaker 2 (01:41:37):
Yeah, No, I feel better that meaning it had meaning.

Speaker 4 (01:41:40):
I'll continue to cross sports. Mike, you don't remember this.
Probably no one else will because no one else cares.
The very beginning of the sort of rebirth of the Bruins, like, oh,
eight ish, they had a seven game first round series
with Montreal. They won a game at home in game six,
and then they ended up losing a game seven. I
think that was sort of the rebirth of Bruins hockey.

(01:42:03):
That game had I think a lot of meaning. Even
though they lost the next game, we're out of the playoffs.
And then it took them what three or four more
years to get the cup. But I want to say
eight seven eight, maybe a little bit it was like
early Chara bergeron that kind of crew.

Speaker 3 (01:42:22):
Yeah, it was. How close were the moral victory conversation
right now? Like we're like the like the diagram of
like moral victories or.

Speaker 4 (01:42:34):
When you lose, right, that's a luxury. Is a loss
the only moral victory that I'm willing to even contemplate.
Fred note will notice when they lost to the Rams
in the two thousand and one season, they could compete
regular season. I think they learned a lot about themselves.

Speaker 3 (01:42:49):
Well, I want to throw more one game out there.
Would you say when the Patriots Tom Brady went down
in Week one of two thousand and eight and then
they beat the Jets the next week, that was a
comp I used for last night.

Speaker 4 (01:42:57):
So I will called that a meaningful win. I mean
a game that they did make the playoffs. Yeah, series
a season they didn't make the playoffs, But I do
think that was a meaningful showed everybody, It showed everybody
would not the.

Speaker 3 (01:43:07):
Jets Tom Brady.

Speaker 4 (01:43:08):
We still won the Jets. We can win games.

Speaker 10 (01:43:11):
Really, we can't go ahead because that's just like sort
of how I feel right now about the Celtics is like,
if they keep this team together just minus Jason Tatum,
like they won't stink. They're not they're not They're not
the favorites to win the title anymore, but like they'll
have a season next year, Whereas like Tuesday, I was
like the world is ending and I'm gonna jump off
a bridge. Like no, but I feel like Facilitation maybe

(01:43:34):
win fifty games next year.

Speaker 19 (01:43:35):
You pull them off the ledge.

Speaker 4 (01:43:36):
Right. This is the most aligned I've ever been with Evan.
In the show I Did It Buffalo two years ago,
Celtics talks were like aligned completely.

Speaker 2 (01:43:46):
Boston Cream's on the hotline. What's up, Boston?

Speaker 4 (01:43:49):
I ran Iraq coming together, Boston Cream?

Speaker 26 (01:43:53):
Hey, what's up?

Speaker 4 (01:43:53):
Play?

Speaker 11 (01:43:54):
I got a quick game. It's called two or none.

Speaker 27 (01:43:58):
For the twenty twenty fives, two or none, So you
have to pick either two or none. Seven hundred yard receivers, two.

Speaker 11 (01:44:14):
Six hundred yard rosters.

Speaker 4 (01:44:16):
One one zero.

Speaker 3 (01:44:18):
It's two or non. Guys, come on zero.

Speaker 2 (01:44:22):
Two or zero makes it tougher.

Speaker 4 (01:44:25):
Two, Yeah, I gotta say two.

Speaker 1 (01:44:30):
Oh two.

Speaker 4 (01:44:32):
Yeah, That'll go none on that one. For interception guys,
I'm gonna go none on that one.

Speaker 2 (01:44:40):
None, yeah, two no.

Speaker 10 (01:44:42):
Faith in Carlton Davis.

Speaker 25 (01:44:45):
Venerian Low starts oh.

Speaker 10 (01:44:49):
Low starts, no disrespect, but hopefully zero none.

Speaker 4 (01:44:53):
I'm gonna say none.

Speaker 15 (01:44:56):
Overtime games.

Speaker 4 (01:44:59):
Two none none.

Speaker 11 (01:45:03):
Wins against twenty twenty four playoff teams.

Speaker 27 (01:45:06):
They play five games.

Speaker 28 (01:45:08):
Two, so that would be Buffalo, Buffalo, Pittsburgh, Baltimore, Man, Tampa,
Tampa Bay two none.

Speaker 27 (01:45:21):
Eric Scalabino girlfriend none seven all right, guys, oiler.

Speaker 2 (01:45:28):
All right, thanks Boston Cream.

Speaker 28 (01:45:30):
Scal still catching straight, not bart Scale, still scal bart
on the market?

Speaker 2 (01:45:36):
Does he care?

Speaker 10 (01:45:38):
We're working on it. So we're working on it, you know,
like some people.

Speaker 2 (01:45:42):
Just don't care. Like he's married to the game, whatever dating.

Speaker 9 (01:45:45):
Show for him.

Speaker 3 (01:45:47):
That that could be the schedule I get.

Speaker 9 (01:45:51):
I'm sure Bacherette interested in Alex Bart right into the show.

Speaker 10 (01:45:55):
It's a long list, right, It's gonna be a.

Speaker 3 (01:45:57):
Girl who loves college.

Speaker 4 (01:45:58):
I don't liking this fixing up Alex. Can we fix
up Alex?

Speaker 10 (01:46:02):
I've been trying for five years to know.

Speaker 4 (01:46:04):
But you don't have the tools our Alex probably have more.

Speaker 10 (01:46:08):
That's fair.

Speaker 3 (01:46:09):
There's I don't want to speak for Alex. I only
speak for my wife. But there's nothing girls like better
than setting people up like it is like they got
a friend. Oh my god, I know, just the hate.
They love it. They love it, and I'm like, wage
over there, did you get really you had a set up?
Well sometimes it works for sure, but they loved his
sister A lot of tries, a lot of tries.

Speaker 4 (01:46:31):
I know, I had to imagine that this was off
the market.

Speaker 3 (01:46:34):
For well, I know, I saw your problem, pot, I
like blue suit powder that Yeah, that was that your
like junior promise.

Speaker 4 (01:46:44):
Oh I didn't have I've lost I've lost powder, blue
suit in my trou point Miami vice all white. That
was my senior problem. I roue with a regular black.
I had the regular black dynasty Junior.

Speaker 3 (01:46:59):
Did you get the hat with the chain?

Speaker 4 (01:47:00):
No hat? No one?

Speaker 10 (01:47:02):
Prom one, prom one, you have no junior problems. It's
a harbor cruise, Everett, pimp Perila junior Harbor cruise.

Speaker 3 (01:47:13):
Of the year.

Speaker 2 (01:47:18):
All right, Michael writes in forgive me, Father Fred, for
I have sinned. But Evan is a hypocrite. The second
Paul and Duce start talking about Jaws or you talk
about speed, Queen, Evan shimes in, can we get back
to football? But if the Celtics come up, He's more
than happy to spend an hour on not football. You

(01:47:39):
may want to consider a Celtics jar where Evan will
have to put a dollar in each time he talks
about Celtics on a football show, or maybe you deduct
a minute each time from his all twenty two allowance,
just an idea.

Speaker 10 (01:47:51):
Well, I think an hour is a little bit of
an exaggeration, maybe, like you know, five to ten minutes
a show, and I think that's the reasonable hour.

Speaker 2 (01:48:00):
Yeah, but you would you would continue to talk if
we you know, right?

Speaker 10 (01:48:05):
I mean, I'm sorry, but on May fifteenth, I think
doing more on the Celtics, he's far more interesting than.

Speaker 2 (01:48:13):
If this was January. You do it. Speaking of hypocrits, No,
do you think Bill is on a path of tarnishing
his patriots legacy where while he'll get in, he won't
have the same pomp and circumstance as Brady.

Speaker 4 (01:48:26):
I don't think he was ever going to have the
same pomp and circumstances Brady.

Speaker 3 (01:48:30):
I don't think he'd want it.

Speaker 4 (01:48:30):
But yes, the short answer to that question, I would say, yes,
he's I think really sort of walking that line of tarnishing.

Speaker 2 (01:48:39):
His I mean, we've had a lot of callers or
email or say, hell, come, you guys don't talk about
what's going on with him? Like looking at the end
of the day, you know who loses out on all
this we do? Like why can't we have anything nice?

Speaker 1 (01:48:51):
You know?

Speaker 19 (01:48:52):
Like also, how are people just sick of that?

Speaker 10 (01:48:55):
I just don't know, like to the Patriots and like
he's doing this on somebody else's dime, Like this has
nothing to do with the Patriots. Like the Falcons like
put it in like their schedule release video as like
a jab at the Patriots. That really yeah, And I
just didn't get that. I was, like, he's employed by
North Carolina Football. He hasn't been the Patriots coaching three years.

Speaker 4 (01:49:16):
Like I don't really I think I might know you
an apology? You know how you have all these feuds
with all the teams? Is this where they like sort
of originate? Is these scheduled videos? And that's why I
don't ever know.

Speaker 2 (01:49:28):
What they're talking.

Speaker 4 (01:49:30):
He explained his gripes. It is it just because this
like I would have never known that the Falcons took
a shot at Belichick in the Patriots in that video.

Speaker 2 (01:49:40):
Yeah, I don't care what these what people saying this schedule.

Speaker 10 (01:49:43):
V I don't care. I just want the joke to
be funny, like that has nothing like Jordan Hudson has
nothing to do with the New England Patriots.

Speaker 4 (01:49:50):
Like she's.

Speaker 3 (01:49:53):
She's been rattling the Falcon's cage with some.

Speaker 4 (01:49:55):
Has she really she did them?

Speaker 10 (01:49:57):
Yeah, so that might be what it's about than anything.

Speaker 2 (01:50:01):
They've They've taken plenty of shots at the Falcons, you know,
turn about his fair play? Yeah, David, and d C
writes in I have learned so much from you all
this offseason. One Fred goes over the top rather than
through the door. I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:50:19):
No, don't you go through the door? I go over
the top.

Speaker 2 (01:50:21):
Yeah. Two Paul has a hot sister. Three Mike likes
the Celtics as much as he likes Tom Brady. That's
not much. Four Alex likes dudes and backwards caps. Evan.
He still thinks he knows everything about football, and probably does,
but very little about anything else. Six I miss Andy's

(01:50:42):
advice about swamp ass. Seven it took a year, but
the silos finally came down and there appears to be
some collaboration. What does that mean?

Speaker 4 (01:50:52):
Football?

Speaker 2 (01:50:52):
Football? Okay? And eight The Pope has a degree in mathematics.
He not only knows sin, he knows cozy O coast sign.
What does that mean?

Speaker 3 (01:51:04):
That's a master? Is he like?

Speaker 4 (01:51:06):
It's like trigonometry sign?

Speaker 3 (01:51:08):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:51:09):
Okays that that's that wasn't funny?

Speaker 3 (01:51:14):
Wow, especially the part about me?

Speaker 25 (01:51:16):
How dare you.

Speaker 2 (01:51:18):
By all this West Coast East coast? Paul spiing Frezo says,
Paul doesn't seem to understand that the grass grows and
reverse on the East Coast. This creates an inseparable obstacle
and superabol I don't know if that's the way he
did play West Coast.

Speaker 4 (01:51:34):
That's a big transition. He's gonna have to learn how
to play on green Well.

Speaker 10 (01:51:37):
To be fair, though, he used to wear the blue
jersey on the blue grass and it was hard to
see him. So maybe now I'll be easier to see
him and it makes easier to tackle. We gotta think
of that.

Speaker 3 (01:51:46):
We've got a hybrid here. It's a California sense of mea.
The great thing about.

Speaker 10 (01:51:49):
Eastern Washington did the same thing.

Speaker 4 (01:51:51):
You can smoke it right and what happens Jesus, Jesus,
Jared and Newburyport.

Speaker 2 (01:52:02):
No one cares about pu degenerate callers in their poopy
ass phone lines, never mind what they look like. I
heard you guys are gonna resurrect this idea.

Speaker 6 (01:52:12):
Now, yeah, I was waiting for like a lull. We
had the draft, we had the schedule, so it's gonna
come soon.

Speaker 2 (01:52:17):
So I got But are you getting the emails that
have coming in?

Speaker 1 (01:52:20):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (01:52:20):
OK, unless you've gotten any reason that you haven't.

Speaker 2 (01:52:23):
Well, I noticed some came in after the last show.
So did you get those? How were you going to
get those?

Speaker 4 (01:52:34):
Going to ask you forward them to me?

Speaker 9 (01:52:37):
Unprompted?

Speaker 2 (01:52:39):
Instead of some bs guessing game, I vote for a
conversation between Dan Shaughnessy played by Fred, Pete Carroll played
by Paul, and Jackie Mason played by Fred again regarding
which current NFL players could excel in the NBA.

Speaker 10 (01:52:52):
Not okay, but.

Speaker 4 (01:52:56):
They all think they could. They all think they could.

Speaker 10 (01:53:00):
The answer is zero.

Speaker 2 (01:53:02):
Let's see. Castillo writes in longtime listener, first time emailer.
Oh it's Edwin in Texas. Oh Hey, Edwin, how you doing?
I just wanted to say hello and thank everyone for
the great work you guys put in. But the call
from Christian in La, Oh my god, I really can't
believe fans want to lose for draft positions we are
Oh and O geezer man, I hate to lose. Please

(01:53:25):
be more positive. We're going to become the Jets at
this rate we're going through right now. I think Christian
was trolling us. I actually do no.

Speaker 3 (01:53:32):
I think he's embracing his No.

Speaker 2 (01:53:34):
I think he was just doing it to get it.

Speaker 10 (01:53:35):
I think there's genuinely people that believe like there's no
point in being like, you know, the third wildcard of
being the seventh seed and losing in the first round
in the playoffs when you could be picking in the
top ten and get the draft pick.

Speaker 4 (01:53:48):
I would say I would not want to be in
that spot, like three four years in a row, the
way Pittsburgh is right now, and they're kind of on
that treadmill. And I don't like that treadmill. But if
you're asking me right now, I would I'd rather be
four and thirteen or the seventh seed in the playoffs. Like,
I don't understand how that's even a thought.

Speaker 3 (01:54:06):
Well maybe I'm wrong, but I felt like Christian was
implying like he's trying to get back to dynasty status,
Like he's trying to get a dynasty in place instead
of like you're back in the wilderness, but just trying
to find a championship.

Speaker 4 (01:54:16):
I'm okay with that sort of grandiose thought, like that's
that's what I want. I want to get back to dynasty.
But why do you have to go from bottom to
dynasty without any steps along the way. Why can't you
go seven and ten, eight and nine, then go say
ten and seven or eleven and six and then be
the dynasty caliber team. Why why is the only way

(01:54:37):
to make that progression in the top five? Why is
that the only way to do it?

Speaker 10 (01:54:41):
Well, Like, look at Detroit, like they're not a dynasty,
but like Detroit had that one season in between where
they went like three thirteen and one in Dan Campbell's
first year, then they wanted where like one game out
of the playoffs his second year eight right, and then
the third year there they were the best team in
the NFC during the regular season. Like that that happens?
Or like, yeah, you go eight and nine, next year

(01:55:03):
you're twelve thirteen wins.

Speaker 2 (01:55:05):
James in Atlanta by way of Maine. I would venture
to say that if the Patriots are twelve and five,
the draft class has become a nucleus that has probably
set up for future success.

Speaker 4 (01:55:13):
Is so a good point.

Speaker 2 (01:55:14):
Yeah, good point, Like why are you twelve and five?

Speaker 4 (01:55:17):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:55:17):
Right, probably because you've got some good players in your team, now,
you know.

Speaker 4 (01:55:22):
And I think his premise was they got some wins
that didn't necessarily mean they were that good. Their record
was better than the team because of the schedule, I
think was his point. But I think I think you
could go, you know, nine and eight, ten and seven
and maybe not be quite as good as the record
because of the schedule. You win twelve at thirteen games,
the way people are talking, you're probably pretty good. That's

(01:55:43):
a lot of wins, don't you think.

Speaker 3 (01:55:45):
I mean, it's a little too too many for me.

Speaker 10 (01:55:48):
But I don't think like anybody's saying that about Washington.
I keep going back to them, like no one's saying like, oh,
it was a cupcake schedule.

Speaker 4 (01:55:53):
And there's a chance that that that's true. You know,
I don't know.

Speaker 10 (01:55:56):
I have a second year.

Speaker 4 (01:55:57):
I don't know that schedule. I think that's often thing
where you sort of take two steps forward to one
step back.

Speaker 10 (01:56:02):
I mean, like Houston still made the playoffs.

Speaker 4 (01:56:05):
They did, but they did they absolutely were not as
cohesive on the field in year two of the Stroud era.

Speaker 2 (01:56:12):
Let's see Eric and Maryland. I'm usually amazed at the
way Paul can pull facts and figures out of the
air concerning Patriots games from the past, and I doubt
I could stump he who knows all, But with the
schedule coming out, I decided to take a shot. Just
this morning, I got my tickets to see the Patriots
take on the Ravens on my birthday in December. I've
chalked this game up as a win. Knock on wood,

(01:56:33):
since the Patriots have won every game I've ever attended.
Granted I've only been to five games, but still I
take full credit for those wins as my aura spurs
the Patriots the victor. My test for Paul is who
were the opposing quarterbacks in those five wins? So the
first one was the Bengals in twenty twenty four.

Speaker 4 (01:56:53):
Joe that was last year. Yep, Joe Burrow and Kobe Wessett.

Speaker 2 (01:56:57):
Who's the posing quarter Just oh yeah, Burrow, Joe Burrow.
Two the Steelers in twenty three.

Speaker 10 (01:57:04):
Kenny Pickett.

Speaker 4 (01:57:05):
Wasn't it No? It was Trubisky?

Speaker 2 (01:57:08):
Correct. Three the Steelers in twenty two.

Speaker 10 (01:57:13):
That was Kenny Pickett. One of those games is Kenny Pickett.

Speaker 4 (01:57:17):
No, I've played this game before, and the answered to
one of these questions is Kenny Pickett?

Speaker 2 (01:57:21):
Correct? Again again the Panthers in twenty.

Speaker 29 (01:57:25):
One, Panthers in twenty one, so Sam Darnold's correct. And
finally the Seahawks and.

Speaker 4 (01:57:36):
Eight Seahawks and oaight was Mann Hasselbeck No incorrect?

Speaker 3 (01:57:40):
No wait, oh shoot, don't say this one. I know it.
Oh God, like Seneca Wallace.

Speaker 2 (01:57:44):
Correct, Seneca correct game. Now I see why he wins
all the games that he goes.

Speaker 4 (01:57:49):
Ye a common theme. So I would anticipate seeing someone
other than Lamar Jackson when you go.

Speaker 3 (01:57:58):
Maybe they'll be Cunningham.

Speaker 2 (01:58:00):
All right. Final final email Cam Camrion Cam Yuron from Inglewood, California.
You know where Inglewood. In terms of the schedule release,
I'm most excited for a week five prime time on
the road. I personally think that has to be Drake
May's coming out game. Hope he can plan his flag
and put the league unnoticed that he's here to stay.

(01:58:21):
The Patriots are back to being relevant again. What better
tests for the team than against the division champs.

Speaker 3 (01:58:28):
It's a good game. Nice to avoid Buffalo and January.
They've been late there the last couple of years.

Speaker 4 (01:58:32):
Chances of that game getting flexed out.

Speaker 10 (01:58:35):
By week five, I don't think.

Speaker 1 (01:58:36):
Not early in the season.

Speaker 3 (01:58:37):
I'd say better chance for the can they fox the
Monday night game? Yeah, the Giants game later in the season.
That would be where my money would be talking flexing,
I would agree.

Speaker 2 (01:58:47):
All right, Well, listen, it's been fun, but it's over.
H So that's it for this edition of Patriots Unfiltered.

Speaker 4 (01:58:55):
It'll be our last show life life in general.

Speaker 2 (01:58:59):
What's going on this weekend? Anything big? Celtics Tomorrow night.

Speaker 10 (01:59:03):
I'm not allowed to talk about the Celtics anymore.

Speaker 4 (01:59:06):
You can you just have forty seconds?

Speaker 2 (01:59:09):
Yep.

Speaker 10 (01:59:09):
I wouldn't want to go in the Celtics.

Speaker 2 (01:59:13):
Tomorrow.

Speaker 10 (01:59:14):
Look for that.

Speaker 2 (01:59:16):
We'll make sure that if you're on social media, you
know that it's dropped.

Speaker 1 (01:59:21):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:59:21):
So that'll be coming out tomorrow. Very excited you. Other
than that, have see you next Tuesday.

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