Patriots Unfiltered 5/22: Forged in Foxborough, Recent OTAs, Offseason Topics

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
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Speaker 3 (00:19):
The thing that caught my eyes I was walking out
here was Morgan Moses and Will Campbell a one on
one session in the middle of the practice.

Speaker 2 (00:27):
I might need a moment.

Speaker 4 (00:28):
It started just with him and Will Campbell, and Will
Campbell's like you people came over, yeah, Will Campbell's like
Kateen Wallace came over, and kan Wallace just standing there
watching Morgan Moses listening, and then Marcus, Marcus Bryant, he
starts to come on and all of them are kind of.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
Like, you know, he's feeding the masses with you know,
tuloads of bread and a fish. Every word that that
guy says. I just I was hanging on.

Speaker 4 (00:55):
H right, tell me more than yeah you be my dad.

Speaker 2 (00:59):
Our first day of OTA, so we're ready.

Speaker 3 (01:01):
To go's not here to rain on our Yeah, yeah, yeah,
they were. Okay, I've been thinking too much about this
Father Fred show keeps popping into my head.

Speaker 2 (01:10):
I actually have my treatment, but it's not Father Fred.
It's the Chicago pope, right, right, He became as good
a priest as he was a cop, and he rotse.
He became a bishop and a cardinal and then eventually pope.
But when he was young, he was a police officer
and he was a damn good one. Huh. He can
never turn his back on Chicago, so he always goes
back to help them fight crime. You hear about my

(01:32):
time in Tampa. This is Patriot's Unfiltered.

Speaker 5 (01:35):
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Speaker 2 (01:42):
All right, welcome the Patriots Unfiltered. It is a rainy
Thursday here at Jilette Stadium. Temperatures are in the forties.
We're back to winter here in New England. It's crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:52):
Feel bad for the North Carolina women's lacrosse team that
was just walking onto the stadium for practice.

Speaker 2 (01:57):
No, I was thinking about that. We got the NCAA
Cross here, the final four this weekend. The women have
their first their semis today. Is that what it is? Tomorrow?

Speaker 6 (02:08):
Tomorrow?

Speaker 2 (02:08):
Tomorrow? Tomorrow? What's today? Thursday? Yeah, so they're going to
be playing tomorrow, but the weather is terrible. They got
practice and it's awful. Get hit when one of those
lacrossballs in this weather.

Speaker 7 (02:19):
And.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
Anyway, it's Evan Paul's back, it's duein'ce me. Matt's in
the booth. We're talking Patriots for the next two hours.
Ot as we went to those a couple of days ago.
We wrapped that up. So I don't know if there's
any lingering observations.

Speaker 6 (02:36):
Yes, are there any more shots? You'd like to take?

Speaker 8 (02:38):
It me?

Speaker 3 (02:39):
In's everything that I'm wrong with that practice.

Speaker 6 (02:44):
You know that's a good point, did you?

Speaker 7 (02:46):
Guys probably never mentioned the fact that the quarterbacks before
week No, I'll let everybody know that that happened, and
I am also going to let everybody know that it
didn't bother me at all. Yeah, didn't bother me at all.

Speaker 2 (02:57):
That's true.

Speaker 7 (02:57):
When you're installing an offense, things are happening for a
variety of different reasons and they don't all mean something bad.
So didn't didn't bother me in the least. Is that
raining on your parade?

Speaker 6 (03:09):
Mike? You don't think I didn't hear you in the back?

Speaker 2 (03:16):
No, it was.

Speaker 6 (03:16):
I mean, I agree with what you said.

Speaker 3 (03:17):
I mean it's I think the reasonable people understand this
is I was thinking about it.

Speaker 2 (03:21):
Do you want drake me.

Speaker 3 (03:23):
To come in and look instantly perfect in this offense?

Speaker 6 (03:24):
Would that make yes? Would that make you feel good?
That would make me feel I'm not gonna lie.

Speaker 7 (03:28):
It would have made me feel better if you're through
four touchdowns instead of four interceptions.

Speaker 3 (03:32):
But I don't want those, no, Paul, It's like twelve
win seasons. I'm done with you all over the defense.

Speaker 7 (03:37):
The defense, well, just one, just no particular play and
it wasn't one of the interceptions. You know, just as
an example of it. You don't really know exactly what
they're trying to do. Is Alex Austen knocked down a
pass at one point and Mike Rabel really gave it
to him, like what are you doing? Like you know,
you don't make a play on the ball, and that's it,
you know. So I'm not telling you that the intercepts

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were on purpose or anything else, but just don't read
too much into things that are going on with shorts
and helmets on an Ota or mini can't practice field
because there's a lot of different things that are at
work and you're not privy to most of them, right.

Speaker 3 (04:14):
I just I think this is an install and there's
nothing more important to like the coaching staff, Josh McDaniels,
Mike Vrabel than teaching these players how to execute the playbook.
And they do nothing probably this off season, other than
trying to think, how can I teach my players this playbook?
And so I think some of the Paul shows were implying, like, no,

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they just took the Brady playbook from twenty nineteen and
everything that it entailed and piled it on and here
it is.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
Well, you know, I don't think that's And one thing
if I with Josh McDaniel's that I'm telling Drake May
and all my offense run the play don't hold the ball,
just throw it where it's supposed to be. We need
to see what's working and what's not working. And so
you know, you're not supposed to add lib this time
of year, you know, don't freelance. It's just run it

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the way we call it and we'll work out the
whether hill or whether it's there or not, and we'll
work it out afterwards. But don't you know, follow the
script yea, the timing and the timing of the script.

Speaker 6 (05:12):
You know, that's right, I mean, yeah.

Speaker 4 (05:14):
One of the good things about this time of year, though,
is that we get these like checkpoints and now we'll
see them next week, and then we'll see them a
week after that, and we hopefully will see it improving,
you know, and get betting better, better and better as
the summer goes along, but hopefully. I just think the
one thing that that is fair in my mind is
that they are installing a brand new offense for the

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second year in a row for Drake May Like, he
did not run this offense last year, and so instead
of hitting the ground running in year two, we're not
back to square one because he played last year. So
like he's you know, we're still a little higher, you know,
a lot further along than what he would have been
as a rookie. But it is kind of like two
steps you know, back to take right.

Speaker 2 (05:56):
The speed of the game shouldn't be new to him, right,
And that's the usual thing that you know, trips up
most of these guys. It's the speed of the game.
But listen, have I been, you know, victim of looking
at things too optimistically? Yes, and you know, maybe I
am right now, But right now I think it's way
too early to be worried. Now if we get into

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training camp and this continues, okay.

Speaker 7 (06:21):
But even last year it started at a level and
then it steadily rose in training camp because I don't
think he looked great at the start of training camp
last year, but there was a time Joel, the time, right,
you know, that it sort of clicked for him and
he seemed to get better and better as camp progressed,
to the point where we all felt like maybe he
had won the job.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (06:41):
I just think a lot of people fairly were hoping
that it was going to pick up right where it
left off and so that we didn't have this adjustment
period or you know, whatever you want to call it,
that it seems to be happening right now and instead
we're reinstalling a new offense and they're kind of starting

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from a lower level than if you were just carrying
it over from last year. But the ceiling of what
they're able to do with McDaniels and with the pieces like,
that's what they're working towards, and it's so much higher
than what they had last year. So it's worth it. It's
going to hopefully be worth it in the long run.
But right now I understand why people are disappointed that well,

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we're changing everything up on them and now we're starting over.
And like I get that.

Speaker 3 (07:26):
It's such a headlines too, coming out of the four interceptions,
it's easy to say.

Speaker 6 (07:30):
I would just say.

Speaker 3 (07:31):
Though, honestly, like I just think this underscores where the
ceiling of this team lies hidden, and that is with
Drake May and how good is he going to be
this year? They've got a lot more talent on the team,
no question, but it all revolves around him.

Speaker 6 (07:43):
If he takes that next step, then they'll be better.

Speaker 3 (07:45):
And if he doesn't and he's sloppy, and you know,
then they're going to be probably mired middle blow the middle.

Speaker 7 (07:51):
There'll be one of those teams that has some talent
but it's struggled to put it together because of a quarterback.
And you know, as you know, Mike, I do a
lot of you know, talking around the area.

Speaker 6 (08:02):
And one of the questions, I'm off.

Speaker 2 (08:04):
Libraries near you?

Speaker 7 (08:06):
No, so I was at I was at a bank
with the other night and you know, I did I
have rubber chicken?

Speaker 6 (08:10):
I was on the rubber chicken. It was actually a
pretty good steak.

Speaker 4 (08:14):
Good spread.

Speaker 6 (08:15):
Not lie, not gonna lie. It was a pretty good Steak,
Lombardo's and random A lot of people just so, what
do you think, what do you know?

Speaker 7 (08:22):
You know, it seems like, you know, there's a lot
of excitement this and that, and I said, yeah, I
and my answer is pretty much the same to everybody.
They've improved on paper, the players, same stuff we talk
about here. The players they've brought in and my view,
are better than the players they're going to be replacing
in most cases. But not much of that is going
to matter if Drake made doesn't aggression.

Speaker 6 (08:42):
Mike just said, that's true.

Speaker 3 (08:44):
Yeah, I just think it's important because on one hand,
you can't kill Drake for that.

Speaker 2 (08:49):
I mean, I think that's part of learning.

Speaker 3 (08:51):
And maybe we're taking a half step back to try
to take five steps forward, like Evan said. But at
the same time, you can't sweep under the rug. How
important Drake.

Speaker 6 (08:59):
Mays progress is this year.

Speaker 3 (09:01):
And you know, even if the other talent doesn't live
up to some of the expectations, Drake may could offset
some of that. You know, if the number one ride
receiver isn't you know, doesn't emerge, or if Stefan Diggs
isn't that pure prototypical number one, if Drake May's playing
really well, it'll matter last I mean, it's still obviously
will matter. But I just think everything revolves around Drake

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May this year, for better or worse.

Speaker 2 (09:23):
If you're if you're Vraybel, do you care about the
scrutiny that the media is giving your quarterback and are
you thinking about that as you plan your practices to
maybe set him up to get some early success so
that it alleviates some of that. I mean, maybe I'm
overthinking noble happening. Like it's the NFL. There's pressure, people

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are gonna talk.

Speaker 4 (09:46):
Yeah, enough, you can hide him, right, like that's what
they did to Mac.

Speaker 6 (09:49):
Jones, Like if you're onto something.

Speaker 4 (09:51):
They hit him, you know, his rookie year, and eventually
it's it's gonna come out, whether he can play or not.

Speaker 7 (09:56):
I don't think Mike really thinks it's necessarily a bad thing.

Speaker 6 (10:00):
He should be. He should be scrutinized.

Speaker 7 (10:03):
Now, I will say I didn't listen to as much,
like you know, I was joking around, but I have been.
It's a busy week for me, so I haven't heard
as much of my shows as I normally do.

Speaker 6 (10:12):
I haven't I didn't hear a ton.

Speaker 7 (10:14):
Of overreaction to the four picks, which I was kind
of expecting, not gonna lie.

Speaker 6 (10:18):
I thought there'd be a ton of like, what's going on.

Speaker 7 (10:22):
It's more like what you're talking about, Fred, Yeah, Like
the concern is for Drake May. This is four offensive
coordinators in four years. Two years at North Carolina, now
two years with the Patriots, four different offensive coordinators, and
I think that's a legit concern. I don't think the
concern is, oh my god, he threw four interceptions. They
blow it up in an Ota, and I haven't heard
a ton of concern for that.

Speaker 6 (10:45):
But I'll bet Mike you might be right. I seem
to sounds like one of those things. Hey, that's life.

Speaker 7 (10:53):
You know that Rabel, you know, sort of likes that,
that situation where you know you're sort of your feature
the fire a little bit.

Speaker 3 (11:01):
Yeah, well he knows, well, he's I mean, you said
they had some epic interactions between Felger and him in
the locker room, right, So no one knows better than
Mike Rabel the kind of scrutiny that this team is
constantly under.

Speaker 2 (11:12):
Okay, all right, sounds good. Well there's that. We're still
we're still receiving comments from Forge and Foxborough. People are
loving it. I'm loving the access that we were granted,
you know, by the team. It was unprecedented.

Speaker 1 (11:29):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (11:30):
You know when I thought maybe at some point in
the show, maybe now, maybe later, you know, we kind
of break down what we liked in it and you
know what we gleaned from it and shows presence.

Speaker 6 (11:40):
Yeah, I was gonna say, you see the people make
a fun of their hairstick.

Speaker 3 (11:46):
I needed a little digital you.

Speaker 4 (11:51):
Know, I'll get you some paste.

Speaker 3 (11:54):
Quick, quick, funny story regarding this. You know, the football
video guys. We're walking through the tunnel and I saw
one of the construction people who were here working stop
one of them and was saying, I love Fores and Foxboro.
They're telling the football video guys that and they're like, no,
we didn't, we didn't make it, but but thanks well, you.

Speaker 2 (12:11):
Know, and I overheard it, so I was like, oh, no,
that's cool.

Speaker 3 (12:12):
But I've heard a lot of really good reactions from
Patriots fans. For me, I've always I always mentioned the
Belichick talking to his team in the nine documentaries.

Speaker 6 (12:20):
My favorite part.

Speaker 3 (12:21):
I love seeing coaches talk to their teams and the
methods that So for me, that first part with Bradil
talking to the team, that was my favorite part.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
Well, when we saw that, you know, like you know,
we've had Belichick and and even Mayo last year and
we asked over the years, okay, can we you know,
do a team meeting, you know, especially that first one,
and always the answer was no, and these guys said, yeah,
let's do it. And so I've never really seen one before.

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So for me, this is gold. I agree, and we're
sitting it was great. We're sitting there looking at this
and we're like, this has to be the lead. We
have to open this thing up with with that, you know,
because that's what gets you going. And that's how he
introduced himself to his team, and I think that's how
we introduced the We decided how we should introduce the

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video to the people.

Speaker 3 (13:10):
It's credit to Rabel and football because I know as
a coach that's a very important moment, like to what
you're setting the tone for your team. This is I
can understand completely why a team and a coach would
not want cameras in there. So I think it was
great that they allowed that access and I know fans
like me eat that up.

Speaker 6 (13:26):
It's great stuff.

Speaker 4 (13:27):
Do you think he like rehearses it the night before?
I think in the mirror maybe, Like I don't know,
but I was genuinely curious because it seemed like he yeah,
there's no stumbles, there was no like. It was like
very he knew exactly what he wanted to say.

Speaker 2 (13:42):
He's probably heard it from other coaches a million times
and he's done it before. Yeah, but I'm sure he
thinks about what he's going to say and goes over it.

Speaker 7 (13:49):
Yeah, absolutely, yeah, Yeah, I think he clearly had some
bullet pills that he was going off with.

Speaker 2 (13:54):
Absolutely. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (13:55):
I really liked that part too.

Speaker 7 (13:57):
And like Fred said, we've been you know, Fred and
I have been around for hundred years, so pretty much
all of this stuff we've done in some iteration or
another over the years.

Speaker 6 (14:07):
I don't ever recall this.

Speaker 7 (14:10):
If we've had cameras in a team meeting, which I
don't think we have, we've certainly never seen it. So
that was the part that really stood out to me.
Was Wow, So okay, so that's what it's like, that
first team meeting. You know, it's it's kind of like
when you were playing high school sports and your coach said,
you know, this is what you do, and if you're

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not going to be at practice, you need to call it.

Speaker 6 (14:33):
You know, it's the most like the most basic.

Speaker 2 (14:37):
Paul, I still don't have your emergency and your user for.

Speaker 6 (14:41):
Your compliance forms and all that stuff you have to
turn in.

Speaker 4 (14:45):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (14:46):
The other part, to me, though, I thought was really
interesting was just seeing the interactions in the draft room
between Cowden, Wolf and Vrabel to see what that dynamic
is like and how it's developing. That that's been a
big talking point this offseason. That that was another part
that weighing trade offers, how does it and I mean
it seem like it was working pretty well. You know,
it's three GM type guys trying to figure what they
want to do.

Speaker 7 (15:06):
So that was the other part in that part, you know,
in that intro, I would also say that some of
the b role that we played while Mike was talking
of like in the weight room and some of that
stuff was great, great footage, great stuff, stuff that we've
been able to shoot, but again not necessarily been able
to show well.

Speaker 2 (15:24):
With Bill. We would never allowed in the weight room
very rarely, no, but we've been we had to be
like really tight on a guy.

Speaker 7 (15:30):
Yeah, you know, yeah, yeah, and this that's why I said,
I thought this was really good footage in the background.

Speaker 6 (15:36):
So yeah, my only you said, like what we liked,
but we didn't like.

Speaker 7 (15:39):
My only critique basically would just be the length of
I've heard the different things and like even the meaning
I think was like over seven minutes, whereas I think
you kind of got an idea of where they were going.

Speaker 6 (15:52):
But I mean, I think Mike is right.

Speaker 7 (15:54):
I think if you're a Patriots fan and you're watching this,
this is like a real peak behind the kurt to
all these things that we've never really been able to
see and experience.

Speaker 6 (16:03):
I thought it was great.

Speaker 2 (16:04):
Well, you know, it's funny because like we've had, we
had so many planning sessions, you know, to do this,
and you know, how much footage do we have and
we're guessing, like, you know, how how long is this
thing going to be? You know, it was everything from
forty five minutes to two hours, you know, and you
get so it's the first time like we were able
to do this and you're making decisions like what should

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we take out, what should we leave in? And we
kind of made the decision. It's like, leave most of
it in. It's the first time for us and the fans.
If we if we do this again next year, which
we probably will, we probably will edit it down a
little bit more because you're not going to have another
seven minutes of Mike Rabel in the first team meeting. Yeah,
you know, you either cut that down or you do
something else. But for the first time, it was like

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leave it in.

Speaker 6 (16:48):
Yeah, give the fans what we have, sure, you know,
And yeah.

Speaker 2 (16:53):
It was seventy two minute I think runtime, which is
long in today's day and age for people's attention spans.
But I think that's fine. Yeah, that's fine. More in
this case, I think more was better because it's the
first time.

Speaker 3 (17:06):
I think it comes at the right time too, because,
let's face the Patriots fans a little bit of a
crisis of confidence right now in the team and the
operation and how things have been going in the last
couple of years. And now to show a glimpse of
a head coach who's been a head coach before and
knows what he wants to do and comes prepared, I
think it's reassuring and bring some of that confidence back
that all right, this team knows what they're trying to do.
They brought in the kind of players that all have

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a type, and it just it makes sense. I keep
hearing that on everything Paul shows, our stupid podcast that
we listen to like everybody. Just it just makes sense
what they've done. Now we'll it all come together and work.
It's been on Drake May don't know. It's a chemistry
experiment as always, but I think it feels like the
people who know football and are here and have a
system in place that.

Speaker 2 (17:46):
That should do.

Speaker 6 (17:47):
You think it needed a narrator, I personally, you do,
I do, But.

Speaker 9 (17:52):
I think it could have helped really yeah, okay transitions,
yeah yeah, and it didn't have to be it didn't
have to be hard knock style or the narrator's talking constantly.
But like it, like Paul said, you know some of
the transitions or.

Speaker 2 (18:07):
I to me, it's either you've got a narrator or
you don't. Like if you just use it like in
here and there, then it's like, well why didn't you
use it over here? So I don't know. I thought
it was okay without a narrator. I get, I get
what the transitions could have been a little bit more
like in the beginning, we heard like, oh, what's you

(18:27):
know you're use when you're using the symbolism of building
a foundation, And it would have been nice to tell
people what that actually was, because we know what it was.
It's the new training facility that's opening next to April.
But you know, we've had so far half a million
people worldwide that have watched this thing on YouTube alone
and they don't know what that is. So like, it's

(18:49):
great to have symbolism, but in this case, it really
was something. And I don't know, maybe we should have
used at least a graphic to say, if you're.

Speaker 7 (18:56):
Weren't going to do a narrator, then yeah, maybe a
little bit more graphics just so let people know. But
this is all nitpicking, And first of all, it's the
first time we've done something of this scope, right, and
I think all internally, yeah, yeah, yeah, and this was
I think I'd be stunned if we get much negativity

(19:17):
from any fans that watch this, you know, in terms
of like whelmingly but what a bunch of crap content,
Like I can't imagine that anybody that that's a Patriots
fan watches this and says that's no good.

Speaker 6 (19:28):
Now, could it be better? Always?

Speaker 7 (19:31):
I mean there's no such thing as a perfect you know,
everyone has their taste and perfect piece of content.

Speaker 4 (19:36):
Yeah, my personal favorite part was all the scouting meetings obviously,
and like hearing them talk about prospects. And when we
went to the Senior Bowl, I had a conversation with
no Socks and I remember him saying, like, if we
can just get them talking about one guy that we
actually draft, like that's.

Speaker 2 (19:55):
All we need multiple and and we.

Speaker 4 (19:59):
I spent like an hour with No Socks and our
and Bradley and they're going over different prospects and like
who could be the one guy? And to hear one
of our scouts I think it might have been Tucker
say Kyle Williams's name. I was like, that's so cool,
Like that's that was so that was one hundred percent authentic.
That wasn't like we faked it, and like, you know,
six months later we put that in like that was

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one hundred percent real. In the moment he said that
Kyle Williams was the best receiver at the Senior Bowl
and then we ended up drafting him, you know, five
months later, Like that's that was really cool. And all
those guys deserve a ton of credit for what goes
into this whole draft process, and it was cool to
give them some shine. You know, some of our scouts
Matt Evans and j T. Hill and Tucker and all

(20:43):
those guys that, uh do a really good job. And
they also listened to us f YI, so they they
they're fans of the show as well, but they it's
of course, of course, but yeah, they they do a
great job, and you know, it's cool to see that
their work kind of behind the scenes a little bit,
and like that drive from the hotel to the stadium,

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Like I've made that same drive now two years in
a row, and like they that was all authentic and real,
which I thought was cool. We didn't like just film it,
you know a couple of weeks ago and say, oh,
say Kyle Williams, you know, like that was real?

Speaker 2 (21:19):
No, it was, and we got lucky.

Speaker 6 (21:20):
Yeah, we got lucky.

Speaker 2 (21:21):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, there you did.

Speaker 6 (21:24):
You did you think Kyle Webs was the best receiver.

Speaker 4 (21:27):
I thought it was between him and Jalen Knowl from
Iowa State. I thought both those guys had really good weeks.

Speaker 2 (21:33):
You know.

Speaker 4 (21:33):
We joked about with Kyle Williams. They go in alphabetical order,
so Williams is obviously last, so he was the last
one to rep in every single drill, every single one
on one. So I feel like he kind of got
like lost a little bit because of that. You know,
some people had moved their eyes on to something different
or something. But what's cool about how the way they

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do it is they have so many scouts that each
scout gets a position, so it's like somebody's focus is
on wide receiver. So all they're doing all day is
watching the wide receivers, whereas you know, we have to
watch everything, you know, try to watch everything. So it
was it was cool, but he definitely had a good
Senior Bowl week and then we had the footage to
kind of like prove it, you know that he had

(22:15):
a good week. And we also had cam talking about
Will Campbell. I think that was at the combine, right that, uh,
that footage of him talking about Will Campbell.

Speaker 2 (22:26):
Will Campbell, we kind of knew, right.

Speaker 7 (22:28):
Well, why can't I think of the Florida State defensive
as a farmer?

Speaker 2 (22:32):
Joshua? Yeah, yeah, that multiple.

Speaker 4 (22:36):
They were sitting the three of them, Elliott, Wolf, Rabel
and Cowden We're sitting like at the fifty yard line
inside the stadium down there and mobile the three of
them together, and uh. And I think I said at
one point like, oh, it'd be cool to be in
on that conversation. And someone said to me, we we
are on that conversation and that those are the things

(22:57):
that they were obviously talking about, and that that was
really cool. I mean, that's that's what we're all doing.
We're just sitting there watching and talking about players and.

Speaker 7 (23:05):
Behind the scenes scouting stuff. I agree with Evan was
really good. There was a couple of little individual things
that pop up from time to time that I thought
were great, and one of them that really stood out
to me was having you know, when we went to
the to the the NFL free agency, you know, not
the college stuff, the NFL free agent additions, and then

(23:25):
having Jamar Chase talk about Carlton Davis being the toughest
corner and he went against you faced him a couple
of times.

Speaker 6 (23:32):
That's fantastic stuff.

Speaker 7 (23:34):
And you know, to have that included in that piece,
I thought Adams to.

Speaker 2 (23:38):
Get Carlton Davis's reaction, yeah, yeah, Yeah, that was really good.
I hadn't seen that no happened.

Speaker 3 (23:44):
If you were a Patriots fan that like the last
game of the season, they won, and you just turn
the TV off and then you wake up now and
you flip that on like there's an hour and whatever,
like catch.

Speaker 2 (23:52):
You right up.

Speaker 6 (23:53):
You know everything that happened. You were right there for
every single moment.

Speaker 3 (23:55):
So I think the only way you could disappoint fans
is if you over promise an under the burden said
we've got all kinds of access and then you didn't.

Speaker 2 (24:03):
Really, but this delivered all the pressures on, right, Yeah,
now the pressures on. Everyone expects another one and to
be as good, if not better.

Speaker 4 (24:11):
Yeah. The other part that I really liked was the
Stefan Diggs like kind of reveal, because it was building
up to that where it was like, well, yeah, they
got all these pieces on defense, but they kind of
need that that star receiver, and then it's just Diggs.
It's like that, you know, kind of gives you goosebumps.
You're like there you go, like that's what that's what
we were looking for. So that was really cool as well.

(24:33):
But for me, the scouting stuff was gold, Like I
wish that I could see the raw footage right, you don't.

Speaker 6 (24:40):
Just cut out the middle man and just do it.
What are you doing, scouts.

Speaker 2 (24:46):
That's what you want to do.

Speaker 4 (24:48):
No, you're gonna get me that.

Speaker 6 (24:53):
Fred's the kingmaker. You could get this done well.

Speaker 2 (24:59):
Listen.

Speaker 3 (24:59):
I would like that we talk about this is probably
Evan's pick, like we're analyzing, like.

Speaker 2 (25:04):
Right, oh, here we go again.

Speaker 7 (25:05):
This guy break news ever again.

Speaker 4 (25:09):
You might have to bring up with Bart fired immediately.

Speaker 6 (25:12):
It's not gonna work anymore. I've got too many things
that I know.

Speaker 2 (25:15):
Hamps just says, big no on the narrator. I don't
want to be told what I'm seeing. Yeah, that's that's
not exactly what they do if you do it right.

Speaker 6 (25:22):
Yeah, that's not what the narrator to may.

Speaker 3 (25:24):
I've had a couple of times with projects that I've
worked on, like do you need a narrator?

Speaker 6 (25:27):
You don't, and I just some things needed.

Speaker 3 (25:29):
I just don't want it to ever be a crutch where,
you know, instead of being able to show, you have
to tell you other than a.

Speaker 2 (25:35):
Graphic here and that I don't think this needed it.
I didn't. I you know, like now I'm close to it.
I watched it a million times, you know, I never thought, oh,
we need a narrator.

Speaker 3 (25:45):
I never thought that it's hard too from your position,
because you you try to think how to phrase this,
like you know so much so you don't know like
what's in there? What is and so like something like
the training facility. Like for me, when I was watching initially,
I'm like, that's the training I just knew.

Speaker 2 (25:59):
I didn't.

Speaker 6 (25:59):
It didn't really cur to me that people outside would
be like, I have no idea say.

Speaker 7 (26:02):
I stepped back and I was talking to Fred about
this a little bit, and I just said, I pretended
I'm I don't work here right when I watched it,
I'm just and I The first thing I wrote in
my notes was what is this?

Speaker 6 (26:13):
With a question mark.

Speaker 7 (26:14):
I didn't know that this was the introductory team meeting,
and I didn't know that the construction was actual construction
taking place in Foxborough because I'm trying to pretend I'm
not here every day, knowing that that building is going
up right behind where I park every day, you know
what I mean? So that's and it didn't Friend's right.
It doesn't have to be a narrator. It could be graphics.

Speaker 2 (26:36):
Michelle who loves it when I call her Shalata.

Speaker 6 (26:38):
Oh, good to hear from you, Michelle.

Speaker 2 (26:40):
She thought it was amazing. In caps, right around the
eighteen minute mark, there's a sequence where Rabel is coaching
at the Texans where he tells Brown, who's coming off
the field, Brown, to go over to his teammate and
tell him that he did a great job. That split
second got me so high. Let's f and go go.

Speaker 6 (26:58):
You can't get tired, guys, you can't taut.

Speaker 7 (27:02):
Fantastic footage the Houston stuff on the sideline when Mike
was there, Like really, really, I'm glad that Michelle brought
that up.

Speaker 4 (27:10):
How did we get that footage?

Speaker 2 (27:12):
Like that's the NFL film NFL they produced that that's
been out there.

Speaker 4 (27:17):
Got it?

Speaker 3 (27:17):
Yeah, Yeah, it reminded me of I heard Gino Arima
ari Arima uh miked up at a practice and he
was telling his teams like the best players don't get tired.
They just don't get tired, right, And I was like, yeah,
that kind of resonates with me, Like the best guys
they always the big moments.

Speaker 6 (27:32):
Those are the guys that still have the juice to go.
You can't tap out. It's so funny.

Speaker 2 (27:36):
We don't have the guys. But then he goes and
makes it play.

Speaker 6 (27:39):
It's pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (27:40):
Yeah he did.

Speaker 4 (27:41):
Yeah, I watched it with Jess, which was cool because,
like the Paul's point, like, you know, we know everything right,
like we're really close to it, so it's always cool
to get like her reactions. And she she loved it.
I think the only thing that she said, you know,
she consumes all of our our content, and so some
of the stuff like she had already seen from like
you know, Digs his first day in Campbell's first day

(28:02):
and things like that. But other than that, you know,
she's sat there for the entire seventy two minutes and
watched it with me.

Speaker 2 (28:08):
So and again that's the thing you have to remember
that we see everything. Yea, so we're jaded, but most
of the people who watch this they hadn't seen all
that stuff.

Speaker 4 (28:18):
Yeah, and she knew it. Maybe she knew what the
practice facility was just because I've talked about it. And
it's good we've talked about it.

Speaker 7 (28:23):
But we're jaded, Mike. But even I didn't want rain
on anyone's parade. I enjoyed it.

Speaker 6 (28:28):
Plus for friends with weather, it was it's more a
weather thing.

Speaker 7 (28:31):
No, it's it's it's good stuff. And I mean, I'm
kind of a sucker for the documentaries. I like documentaries
in general, me too, but I mean, I like what
we did, and I hope we can do more stuff
like it.

Speaker 3 (28:42):
I feel like the hard part, Fred is now that
there's a lot of access and footage behind the scenes,
and you're putting out a lot of stuff. It's how
to balance what we've already released with what's going to
be new.

Speaker 6 (28:51):
Footage, and you know, just the balance.

Speaker 2 (28:53):
Of not you know, well we put out holding things back,
you know.

Speaker 3 (28:56):
Holding some things back, but all right, yes we did
put this out on social already, but we're gonna put it,
you know, like the balancing act of all the footage.

Speaker 4 (29:03):
And that'd be like what my one nitpick is, like,
how do It's kind of exactly what just said, like,
how do you balance you know, we've already put this
in Will Campbell's first day.

Speaker 2 (29:13):
Well, I'll give you an example. Yeah, just on Tuesday,
when I was having my moment, you were telling me
about Morgan Moses speaking from the the you know, I
you know, unfortunately all the media was there, so everyone
saw that. So we were having a meeting yesterday. Go
we're filming every practice right in these OTAs and they're like, yeah,

(29:35):
I go, Okay, let's hope we can get some other
stuff that people haven't seen that they allow us to use.

Speaker 4 (29:42):
Yeah, like on these closed days if they're out there longer,
maybe like going and doing stuff like that.

Speaker 7 (29:48):
I know by the way that Mike and I were
walking off the field together and I before I left,
when you guys are getting ready to do the show
on Tuesday, I said, you saw that Will Campbell Morgan
Moses thing.

Speaker 3 (29:58):
Right, that's I go, that's it. That's that's the thing,
that's goal. Will you'll be pat proud and Paul that
my two headlines. Fred was sitting in here all alone
at this desk doing it, and I said my two
takeaways were Drake Ray through four interceptions and Will Campbell
and Morgan Moses having drinks Kindred spirits, Kindred Spirits. Everybody
was like you could feel the buzz, like because interviews
are going on at the podiums after practice, but no
one was on.

Speaker 2 (30:22):
I mean, we were all here and when he came
in and we interviewed him, the same thing. We're all
thinking the same thing. This guy is a leader. This
guy he's a pied piper in a good way. I mean,
you know when Randy Moss was here, he was a
pied piper, but you had to worry where he was
leading people. This guy's going to put him on the
right track. And it's so great to see that he's

(30:45):
already in that role. Yeah, like it took him no
time to be in that role.

Speaker 4 (30:49):
I feel like he's going to be a captain. Like
I really feel like he's on that track right now.
And it was it was cool to see. And it's
one of those things too from a media perspective, like
we're not really least supposed to take pictures of the
field in that window like after practice, but so many
people were going up to pr being like can we
we got to take pictures of this like this, Yeah,

(31:12):
so that's why, Yeah, everybody got there, okay, But there
was also you know, over to the other side, just
Kyle Williams and Ft and Chisholm were catching balls on
the judge machine right after practice for maybe ten fifteen minutes,
and Kyle Williams was catching them one handed, like just
like on purpose, like he was trying to he was
practicing that, and so he was catching one handed passes

(31:34):
with his right hand, just over and over and over again.
And uh, it just it seems like there's a bunch
of different guys that were doing that in the back.
I couldn't see who it was, but a couple of
the pass rushers were still doing stuff, you know, in
the back of the field, and like there was there
was good work ethic there, like you could feel, you know,
some urgency.

Speaker 2 (31:52):
Yeah, get the extra work. Funny.

Speaker 6 (31:53):
I after seeing that picture, I was inspired.

Speaker 3 (31:55):
To go back and look at I was just curious,
curious look at Morgan Mo's's scouting report.

Speaker 6 (31:59):
I was just I wanted to because we spent so
much time talking about Will Campbell.

Speaker 3 (32:02):
First of all, is like I didn't realize he had
thirty five and three eighth inch arms, so I know
a lot. Another thing that some people talked about were
Will Campbell looked, you know, a little small out there.

Speaker 6 (32:11):
His shoulders looked a little bit.

Speaker 2 (32:12):
His shoulders are narrow.

Speaker 6 (32:14):
But it was kno, going to lot. It's also in comparison, yeah, no,
I know.

Speaker 7 (32:18):
But it's like when you see him on the field
next to everybody, like it stands out.

Speaker 6 (32:24):
Yeah, and I think Fred's right.

Speaker 7 (32:26):
I think that's why his arms are shorter, you know,
because I think he has a narrower base.

Speaker 3 (32:31):
It's exacerbated though by like Marcus Bryant, who you know,
is like a statue of a man, and then Morgan Moses,
who is also just has the ideal length. But point
I was trying to make was reading his scouting report.
It's nothing like, Oh, what a phenomenal leader.

Speaker 2 (32:43):
This guy.

Speaker 3 (32:43):
It's like takes plays off like you know, if he can,
if he can get in shape and pull it together,
he'll be good. And there's just a reminder to me
that there's there's gems out there, there's guys you know
that that can develop.

Speaker 6 (32:54):
And he arrives here as a leader.

Speaker 3 (32:55):
And I don't want to call him a savior, but
I think some people are like God, it's just some stability,
you know, I think. And that to me, like looking
in the Jets sign him last year, tough free agent deal,
and it's like, man, I like that have been a
move to make last year and actually tackle.

Speaker 2 (33:10):
Zach and Connecticut. I agree with Fred about having no narrator.
I think it would have been worse having someone tell
us what we're seeing. I do think it did drag
on the transition a little bit, but just a nitpick. Also,
will the Washington Joint practices be available to the public
if they will, Yeah, go to those guys.

Speaker 3 (33:25):
If you are looking to go to a preseason game
or do something this summer of the Patriots, come here
for the Commanders Joint practice.

Speaker 4 (33:34):
That's a great one talent.

Speaker 3 (33:36):
You're not gonna have to pay a bunch of money,
and you know it just come free, fun for the family,
and you get to watch great football, situational stuff and
the talent on I guess Terry McLaurin, though I guess
he's holding out that I heard that yesterday.

Speaker 2 (33:48):
Good them.

Speaker 6 (33:50):
You get it all into playing that can happened to
other teams were, but we're not playing them.

Speaker 2 (33:54):
So Robert writes in after watching the feature, I wanted
to suit up and hit the field, unfortunately, and fit
fifty six, and I'd snapped in half if I tackled anyone.
Great production, But as Paul referred to, I was wondering
what structure was being built. While it did finally dawn
on me that it was the new training center. It
might have been helpful to have some text on the
screen describing what it was. I vote no on a narrator.

Speaker 4 (34:16):
Yeah, I'm I'm coming around on the narrator thing.

Speaker 2 (34:19):
Well, like maybe it was just text, I would.

Speaker 6 (34:21):
Just good and to jump on the thing.

Speaker 3 (34:23):
But I was just gonna say, like, I can see
a way you could have done it where you're talking
about what's the final product going to look like? And
then you know, Mike Rabel may be saying what we
want the final product, and then compare that to what
the final product at the training center, Like there's got
to be some kind of.

Speaker 6 (34:36):
Metaphor that you could kind of use in there without
having a yeah, And I had that like the whole thing.

Speaker 7 (34:41):
I had like a quick sentence, you know, much like
you know.

Speaker 6 (34:45):
But I got to do with the Leev Schreiber voice.

Speaker 7 (34:48):
I'm a little like curious as to why so many
people are anti narrative, right, not because it's counted to
what I'm saying, Because yeah, when I watched like The
Football Lives and you know, those different documents, you know,
I find the narrator to be a big part of my.

Speaker 2 (35:06):
Yeah, well you have to watch the experience. Yeah, you
have to build it that way, and absolutely like, as
a matter of fact, our lead editor, Nick McCain, has
an amazing voice. He could do like he could absolutely
do it himself. If you is the voice of God,
if we needed a narrator, we've got one.

Speaker 6 (35:21):
I met him, he's got it.

Speaker 3 (35:22):
I shook his hand as I met him. He said hello,
and I said, have you done voiceover work?

Speaker 4 (35:26):
He did it for the sixers. He read like Christmas
books and stuff like that for thinking for kids.

Speaker 2 (35:33):
So we've got them. We'll figure out how to get
his voice in there.

Speaker 3 (35:36):
He did a voiceover for something I don't remember what internally,
and it like it was him, but it was even
more polished, Like I didn't even realize when he actually
tried how good it could sound. I mean it was like, yeah,
I was telling him. I'm like, that's the best job.
To me in Hollywood, the best jobs are the voiceover people.
They show up, they dress in sweatpants, they'd sit in
front of a microphone for four hours, and then they
go home.

Speaker 6 (35:55):
Now nobody knows who they are. They make a ton
of money. That to me is the dream gig.

Speaker 7 (35:59):
So I was surprised, Like, you know, there's two or
three people that said, you know, I don't want to.
The last thing I want is a narrator telling me
what I'm watching. Oh so I'd rather not know what
I'm watching.

Speaker 2 (36:08):
That's not what they do, that's not what the.

Speaker 4 (36:10):
Well I was like, Obviously we're gonna get compared to
Hard Knocks, like for you know, the football thing. But
to me, this is more like Behind the Bee than
it is Hard Knocks. And Behind the Bee is fantastic too.
But they have Dennis Leary, who's a Boston guy, as
a narrator, and that was all I think what we
were kind of thinking of. But this is this is
on track to be exactly like you're Behind the Bees.

Speaker 6 (36:32):
Maybe in a shorter show.

Speaker 3 (36:34):
Yeah, behind the bea helps move things along a little more,
and you don't Yeah you don't get twenty three minutes
in the thirty minute.

Speaker 2 (36:40):
That might be that might be wide Justin says the
second Morgan moses pancakes a guy. All we're going to
hear is father Fred saying, oh Morgan, yeah you got
that right, you got that right. I'll be watching the
old line.

Speaker 6 (36:53):
So he turns it to Kram.

Speaker 2 (36:54):
You got that right, I do love.

Speaker 6 (36:56):
They'll give him last rites on the field that'll be different.

Speaker 2 (37:00):
There you go. Now everybody's watching the So did you workshop?

Speaker 6 (37:04):
I heard you know, did you just workshop?

Speaker 2 (37:07):
This whole thing worked out? I have a long commute pole.

Speaker 4 (37:10):
So that's what in case you didn't know it was.

Speaker 2 (37:13):
It was good.

Speaker 7 (37:13):
I didn't know if that was something that someone wrote in.
I mean that was that was just part of just
count obviously.

Speaker 6 (37:18):
I mean I love that. And he was a damn
good one.

Speaker 7 (37:20):
That was my my favorite company was a damn good one.
And that and he owed Chicago. He wanted to get
back to Chicago.

Speaker 2 (37:26):
And you know Claire, hello everyone, Aliver in Hell. She
said she has an idea for Chicago, Pope. The conclusion
is it turns out he's actually a long term undercover
cup to crack major crimes at the very top of
the church hierarchy. And Father Fred actually a father and
could finally bed the hot nun.

Speaker 6 (37:46):
Oh that is a good twist that he's not.

Speaker 2 (37:47):
Actually that was get get to know her in a
biblical sense. Man, we're so sackrindgious.

Speaker 6 (38:04):
To turn it to an Irish Yeah. Wow, you know
Father Fred Megan with Grandma.

Speaker 2 (38:10):
Yeah, yesh Dana, Virginia and Michigan on podcasts at Patriots
dot Com. We all know that Fred is great and impressions,
but I didn't know he could do an impression of
Meg Ryan. On Tuesday Show, when Deuce and Evan were
describing that Morgan Moses was holding court with Campbell, the
other offensive lineman, Fred started to sound like that scene
in the coffee shop when Harry met Sally. I'll have

(38:31):
what Fred's having. I'm having Morgan.

Speaker 3 (38:33):
Yes, I was surprised, but it's good reason. I mean,
I think we're all a little beaten down from the
tackle struggles of the last five years, and we're all
excited to hopefully put that to rest and maybe get
that as a position of stability, like.

Speaker 2 (38:48):
The offensive line now, Morgan, all right, eight five five
pats five hundred is the a Sticke and Hut line.
We're having fun here talking Forge and Foxborg, We're talking
O two were talking just about anything. Let's go to
Todd in Gardner.

Speaker 10 (39:07):
Hey, Todd, Hey guys, how are you doing?

Speaker 4 (39:11):
Keeps changing?

Speaker 10 (39:12):
It's been a great show.

Speaker 2 (39:15):
A little bit of I.

Speaker 10 (39:16):
Don't want I'm just a little bit against the whole
thing that this team is going to do. Basically, as
Mac progresses, because I think when we first got Brady,
Brady was allowed to progress at his own pace and
it won't speed because the team around him could give
him that comfort level of being in there and you know,
being able to make mistakes. I think that our guys
gonna but not I'm just entire sorry, guys, it's been

(39:39):
doing immigration stuff.

Speaker 11 (39:40):
My brain is bride.

Speaker 10 (39:42):
But Drake May is gonna evolve based on the opportunities
given and with this defense and what we've got around him,
you know, I think he'll be able to make the mistakes,
do the stuff that he needs to learn, because I
don't think it's all going to be on him. And
I just you know, I've heard this a couple of times.
It's the whole season's all based on his progression. I
think there's some part to that, but I think it's
too much focused just on that. What do you guys think?

Speaker 1 (40:05):
All right?

Speaker 2 (40:05):
Thanks? Now listen. I know everyone has to play their part,
but it does rest a lot on his progression. And
I disagree a little bit with what Todd said about
Brady the day he stepped on the field. It was
hammered into do not turn the ball over. I mean,
don't turn the don't make mistakes. It wasn't go ahead

(40:26):
and make mistakes and we'll we'll, we'll give you a
long landing, you know, don't turn the ball over.

Speaker 7 (40:35):
He was largely responsible for the turnaround. I mean, it's
right again, there is no bigger Drew Bledsoe fan than me.
When Drew played, they were five and thirteen. When Brady
came in, it was fourteen and three. Like it happened immediately.
And yes, the team was good. The team around Brady
was good. But Brady's what Fred just said, Brady's inability

(40:59):
to turn the ball over. I mean, what did you
go like four games before even threw a pick?

Speaker 1 (41:02):
Right?

Speaker 6 (41:03):
You know? Then he threw four and one quarter in Denver.

Speaker 7 (41:05):
But you know that was largely the reason why that
team was successful was because the mistakes that Drew was
making were eliminated when Brady went in.

Speaker 2 (41:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (41:14):
Yeah, And just like more recently, Washington doesn't do what
they did last year without Jayden Daniels being basically almost
an MVP candidate as a rookie. Now, nobody's expecting Drake
to be an MVP candidate. But the point is is
that that, unfortunately is the pressure of being the quarterback
like that it's on his shoulders.

Speaker 6 (41:33):
And I would just say it's not.

Speaker 7 (41:34):
I don't think people are saying that it's all reliant
on Drake May's progression, but the ceiling, but the ceiling,
but Drake made doesn't progress, then they're going to be
average at best. Right And I don't care how good
the team is, they'll be average at best because you
need the quarterback to get you to another level. And
I also don't think as much as I'm really happy
and excited we just talked about forging Fox Bowl and

(41:55):
all the things that they added, whether it be in
free agency or the draft, you ain't get that much
better that it's not going to matter if the quarterback
isn't isn't making a progression. You know, it's not like
they're just stacked across the board. We've seen the Jets
and Brad Johnson and the Buccaneers, like the Jets have
had some teams the last year or two that have
been pretty good in a lot of areas, but the

(42:16):
quarterback is holding it back and they go five and
eleven or five or whatever, five and twelve.

Speaker 2 (42:20):
I guess.

Speaker 7 (42:21):
So you can be really good, but if your quarterback
play isn't at least average, You're going to be sort
of ye fighting, fighting an uphill battle.

Speaker 2 (42:32):
Randy's in Providence. What's up, Randy? Randy?

Speaker 4 (42:37):
Randy?

Speaker 2 (42:39):
Come on, it hasn't been that long. All right, you're gone? Hello,
what's going on? Turn up your Internet?

Speaker 11 (42:47):
Sorry, well that I hit a mute button on accident.
I had a couple questions for you guys at the
end of the season last season, maybe if the off
season was starting, there's been a lot of talk about
shortage of kind of support staff.

Speaker 10 (43:03):
Uh, the staff.

Speaker 12 (43:04):
Overall just being a lot smaller in New England than
it is in other places, maybe with the analytics department,
but other areas also.

Speaker 10 (43:14):
And I didn't know.

Speaker 12 (43:15):
If you guys knew if that staff was also being
built out, Like obviously we hear all the coaching changes
and news and stuff like that, but you guys know
if that is being addressed.

Speaker 11 (43:25):
And then did you guys see the top twenty five
under twenty five lists put out by PFF.

Speaker 2 (43:30):
Yes, top under twenty five, yeah.

Speaker 11 (43:34):
Top twenty five.

Speaker 3 (43:36):
Being yeah that someone's very upset on the by week
one okay.

Speaker 12 (43:43):
But no Gonzales and no May and you got the
prized by that.

Speaker 2 (43:47):
And then I dismissed the list.

Speaker 4 (43:48):
I don't Drake may not be on there. He doesn't
belong on right, Christian Gonzales belongs on the list.

Speaker 2 (43:53):
Christian Gonzales, I think you can make a strong argument.

Speaker 11 (43:56):
Yeah, one hundred percent agreed.

Speaker 4 (43:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (43:58):
And then last question for you guys. Someone I think
it was Alex Maybe had mentioned that cool Strange. He
thought he had bulked up a little bit, gotten a
little bigger, maybe in response to the needs of Josh
McDaniels on the offensive line. Did you guys notice that?
And then outside of the pictures, did you guys see
Marvin Harrison Junior put on like twenty or twenty five

(44:18):
pounds and the guy looks like a defensive end.

Speaker 6 (44:21):
Now, I saw the video. I saw the videos I saw.

Speaker 2 (44:26):
I wonder how we did that?

Speaker 6 (44:27):
Is that skinless chicken?

Speaker 3 (44:28):
Oh yeah, twenty five it's funny say that, Randy Is.
I saw that video and I didn't. I didn't see
hear it. It just came like the video and I
was like, geez, he looks big.

Speaker 6 (44:36):
So David Boston, like former Cardinals receiver.

Speaker 4 (44:40):
Yeah, we talked a little bit about cold Strange yesterday
on Catch twenty two, and I just thought his upper
body maybe looked a little bit bigger. But I'm not
saying that he's like, all of a sudden three hundred
and forty pounds, but like I thought it like beer
he drank general a little bigger. I also thought Gonzo
looked jacked, so I would.

Speaker 6 (44:58):
I'm glad you brought him out.

Speaker 1 (44:59):
Randy.

Speaker 7 (45:00):
Two guys that I thought looked noticeably bigger, one of
them really positively and one of them not so positively.

Speaker 6 (45:05):
And Gonzalez is the one I thought, I.

Speaker 7 (45:07):
Absolutely agree with you, you know, not not to go
all Mike do so on you. But I was like, wow,
look at the size of his arms. I thought he
looked like I thought he had put on some some
bulk up top.

Speaker 6 (45:19):
And Michael went, who I thought looked heavy?

Speaker 2 (45:22):
Me too. Gene is a retired producer slash director out
of Ottawa, Canada. O uh, and he says, I think
it's a he I'm taking a leak there, j E A.

Speaker 6 (45:34):
N maybe Jean Jean Jean francois.

Speaker 2 (45:36):
Yeah. Regarding the use of a narrator in your documentary,
I've always much preferred having the on camera subject tell
the story and using minimally on screen graphics to guide
the viewer. Using a narrator narrator will take away the
cinema verite feel of your documentary. It will become the
voice of big Brother telling you what they want you
to know. It shifts the perspective of the message you're

(45:59):
trying to deliver to your audience. Cinema verite is more believable,
and the audience feels less manipulated. I love it.

Speaker 6 (46:06):
I'm back in film school.

Speaker 7 (46:07):
Can I ask you, as as someone who's completely ignorant
to this stuff, what is the definition of cinema verite?

Speaker 2 (46:14):
So?

Speaker 6 (46:14):
I think, well, verite, truth, just realism, I would say.

Speaker 2 (46:18):
And I so you don't feel manip So it's your
interpretation and not the narrator.

Speaker 7 (46:23):
So why is the narrator? First of all, it's not
the narrator's interpretation. It's a script.

Speaker 2 (46:27):
Well I know, but he's telling you.

Speaker 7 (46:28):
Well okay, it's not. But it's not like telling the listener.
I mean telling the viewer that the construction that's going
on behind you is actually the new training facility.

Speaker 6 (46:40):
Is not like leading the viewer where you wanted to go. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
it's telling the facts.

Speaker 7 (46:46):
Well, she's talking in general, but that's all I want
the narrator to do. I don't want the narrator to
say this team is a lot better than you think
it is. That's not what narrators do when documentaries.

Speaker 3 (46:57):
I think Jean Jean is maybe just saying show, don't tell.
That's just an an always thing that you try to do. Yeah,
and if you get to a point where you're like,
I gotta tell, But I would say, like for myself,
if I was an editor trying to figure that out,
I would be like, well, how can I tell that
this is what this construction project is without having to
have someone come in and be like that's the construction product.

Speaker 4 (47:17):
Well, so I feel like for this one, it did
like the narrator maybe wasn't necessary, Maybe just graphics over
some of the things that Paul has talked about. Yeah,
but that's why I do wonder like when we go
into the next one, when it's like more player and
coach driven, you know, you kind of set it up
like the Bruins are preparing for the you.

Speaker 2 (47:36):
Know, but I kind of feel now that we've gone
the route of no narrator, you got to stick to.

Speaker 7 (47:40):
And if you don't want the narrator, like my my
preference would be the narrator. But I can totally say, okay,
you know the people have spoken. Everybody is you know,
finds the net. I just don't understand why a narrator
giving you the facts is not true to life, but
the Scouts telling you their version of facts. It's yeah,

(48:01):
isn't like the Scouts and opinion of Kyle Williams. The
Scout's opinion, Like, how do I know that's true? But
I'm taking it as as the word because that's what
they're telling me.

Speaker 3 (48:10):
Well, maybe as a filmmaker too, you want people to
take it for themselves and you know, not give them
try not to point arrows at things and just let
them be able to experience it themselves without you know,
letting their viewing experience be their viewing experience, without saying
I want to make sure that this is how you're
viewing it the whole time.

Speaker 6 (48:27):
I mean, there's a way to do it both. I love
there's some documentaries.

Speaker 7 (48:29):
Like my point is, this is how the patriots, the
twenty twenty five Patriots are being constructed in this way,
and the story is being told by the patriots, Like,
why is that true to life? That's how the patriots
are doing it. That's the patriots thoughts, Like there's sort
of a like a I don't want to say an opinion,

(48:51):
but there's sort of a viewpoint in every documentary.

Speaker 2 (48:55):
Yeah, it's not like blatant. This is the fact. It's
documentaries are different than just pure art. I remember having this.
That's why, you know, an artist presents their work to
the world without explanation. Let the world interpret it. Don't
say and here's what I you know, and that's what

(49:16):
you know. A lot of artists don't. They don't give
you what they want to do. They let you interpret it.
Like I can't have leaneries are different.

Speaker 7 (49:23):
I can't have Leev Schreiber tell me what the building is,
but I can have what was the scout's name that
said about Tucker Addington? Tell me that Kyle Williams was
the best receiver. That's a long snapper, isn't he?

Speaker 4 (49:36):
Yeah, you named the long snap, right.

Speaker 7 (49:38):
So you know, And I like, I apologize. I don't
know all the scouts by name.

Speaker 6 (49:43):
I don't.

Speaker 2 (49:43):
We don't ever.

Speaker 6 (49:44):
This is like the first time we've ever really gotten
a city.

Speaker 7 (49:46):
Like we've never been allowed to talk to them.

Speaker 4 (49:49):
Tucker Ingram.

Speaker 7 (49:50):
Tucker is Ingram, Okay, so he can say that Kyle
Williams was the best receiver in the Senior Bowl and
no one has any objection. But if Leof Schreiber says
that building that you that we keep showing you is
actually the new training facility, we object to that because
we're leading the viewer in a way like, well, I
mean like to me, but I think.

Speaker 2 (50:09):
It's about what you're using.

Speaker 6 (50:12):
A specific like the.

Speaker 2 (50:13):
Narrator would not be used for that. It would be
used for like others.

Speaker 7 (50:17):
Like I had told you, like the Voice of God
comes in and says, much like the the new training
facility that's under construction behind your Lette Stadium, Mike Rabel
in the twenty twenty five Patriots that are a work
in progress or something like that.

Speaker 6 (50:30):
I totally get what you're saying, Paul, And I think says.

Speaker 7 (50:33):
It's not like I think the Patriots are going to
go twelve and five this year, right, And I just.

Speaker 3 (50:37):
Think John has a preference of how they would like
to tell things. But ultimately it's the creative choice of
how you want to tell the story and how you
can best tell the story. So there's no one way
to do the documentaries, Like no, documentaries have to have
a door.

Speaker 7 (50:49):
And that's why I would fully service take and say, hey,
that's just my preference and I'm not like a specific
fact that.

Speaker 6 (50:55):
You want to make sure it gets across.

Speaker 3 (50:57):
You don't want to insert a narrator in the whole
documentary just because there's a certain fact that you can't
think of a creative way to show what it is
and you know what the metaphor is.

Speaker 6 (51:05):
So but I mean there were documentaries I love with narrators.

Speaker 3 (51:07):
There are ones that I love where it's just interviews
and it unfolds slowly and you you know.

Speaker 6 (51:11):
Kind of take it for what it's worth. So I mean,
that's you're totally right.

Speaker 3 (51:13):
It's just a preference, and it's a preference to the
director and the producer, like a truth and cinema thing.

Speaker 2 (51:18):
No, yeah, but like no, you take Ken Burns for example,
you know Baseball, which I thought was a great documentary
that could not live without it. Now, writer, right, you know,
you had to have a narrator.

Speaker 6 (51:29):
I love those things with like they're reading the Civil
War letters.

Speaker 3 (51:32):
But no, that's I mean that's like I said, I've
done projects before where you're wondering, like can I do
like my thesis film, like what do I do new
narrator or not?

Speaker 6 (51:39):
And this is what I'll have to do. If I how,
I'll have to explain it.

Speaker 2 (51:42):
If not so.

Speaker 3 (51:43):
But I think probably what John's preference is is they
like that style. Yeah, just realism unfolding for you. I
expect that, and that's their their their thing. But I
don't think Hard Knocks would work. And certainly behind the
B it's too hard and too you know, in twenty
two minutes to tell a whole story of everything that's
going on without Dennis Leary.

Speaker 2 (52:01):
So just what fits? I just felt here. He was
one of my professors in college, Dennis Leary Emerson comedy writer.

Speaker 3 (52:09):
Fail, so he could be in Father Fred. I think
we could probably reach out to you.

Speaker 2 (52:13):
At the time he was trying to quit smoking. He
would literally get on the desk like a bird and
teach the class perched on a desk.

Speaker 7 (52:21):
Remember like the MTB just had a teacher in high
school that smoked like a fiend and did exactly the
same thing. He would sit on his desk criss cross applesauce,
and when the principal would walk by the hall, he
would flick the cigarettes right out the window front of
the desk.

Speaker 3 (52:35):
Well remember that, Like, was it MTV or something that
I think you hear me and I'm coming in. It's
just Dennis Leary sucking cigarettes down like it's a possible.

Speaker 2 (52:42):
He was trying to quit that. He was he was
on something else he could He was like, I think
he might be the best.

Speaker 3 (52:48):
He could be the bad guy, he could be the
antagonist in Father Fred. I mean, that's a high power actor.
He's got a little edge to him, you know, so
probably I think he's an Irish Catholic. Anyway, he's ready
to operate in.

Speaker 7 (52:58):
Yeah, now with to Boston. That's not from Chicago.

Speaker 2 (53:03):
Donnie Walburn has another Boston top show coming out, something
Boston Blue. Yeah, origin uh me and freds noo. What's up? Speed?

Speaker 10 (53:14):
What's up?

Speaker 13 (53:15):
Listening to you guys talk about cinema verite and the
art of narration and whatnot. I'm just like, man, so
happy Eric's not here.

Speaker 2 (53:25):
We have the conversation. You all know nothing. That's your imagine.

Speaker 7 (53:29):
Can you imagine if Eric just heard me, like sound
like a moron like about talking about what by the way,
I know what the words meant.

Speaker 6 (53:37):
I wanted to know what the application to read.

Speaker 3 (53:39):
The story to you, so just me like he doesn't
get it to him.

Speaker 13 (53:47):
Then again, Eric as a narrator.

Speaker 2 (53:50):
Yeah, that's the possibility. Sure I can see it.

Speaker 3 (53:53):
Yeah, absolutely awful, awful.

Speaker 7 (53:57):
I've often pondered construction that takes place in this world.

Speaker 14 (54:07):
He never have ye today, no football.

Speaker 13 (54:17):
So with May you're hoping he follows the like generally
the Josh Allen pattern, you're overcoming some early accuracy or
like physical issues in the passing game. But but he's
being asked to do that at the same time when
you got Josh McDaniels, you know, relatively complicated offense coming in,
and you know Josh Allen had Brian Dable for years

(54:37):
from the start. And I'm very happy that Josh McDaniels
is coaching Drake, But it seems like it's already challenging
enough to try and do the sort of Josh Allen
thing where you more or less fix your accuracy, and
now you're asking Drake to do something like that while
onboarding what pretty complicated playbook.

Speaker 2 (54:54):
It's the same offense yeah. See, honestly, I don't know
what they're telling Drake to do, you know, like, are
they unloading all this stuff and making it too complex
right now?

Speaker 4 (55:02):
I don't know that well, But it's the same offense,
Brian Dable.

Speaker 2 (55:05):
How are they presenting it? Like at what? Like sure,
how much of the playbook are they into at this point?

Speaker 4 (55:10):
But Josh Allen was running the same offense in Buffalo
under stable that that the Patriots are running now. So,
I mean Brady's talked about it that he he knows
Josh Allen's calls because it's the same calls that.

Speaker 2 (55:23):
He would use.

Speaker 6 (55:24):
Because that's digs about it, you can asks about it.

Speaker 13 (55:26):
Yeah, So you don't think that this is more of
a challenge to Drake now with the change of the
offensive coordinator.

Speaker 4 (55:31):
I don't know, no, I I yeah, I mean I
made that point earlier, But I'm just making the point
that if we're comparing to Josh Allen, they're they're running now,
they're in the same system, like did this stable system
and McDaniel's offense are the same offense. So if oh, okay, yeah, thanks.

Speaker 3 (55:48):
B it's a challenge, but it's a challenge to Drake
like you have to, you have to acknowledge it.

Speaker 2 (55:54):
And it's a lot on him this year, and it's
it's a it's a tough.

Speaker 6 (55:56):
Challenge, no question.

Speaker 3 (55:57):
No.

Speaker 2 (55:58):
When Toronto says Einstein's the definition of genius is taking
the complex and making it simple. I worry that McDaniels
is making the simple, run fast, throw hard complex for Drake.
See I don't.

Speaker 3 (56:11):
I just everything that he said again, And this goes
back to just plopping the twenty nineteen playbook and being
like good luck, Like I just I think Josh understands
that he has to teach Drake this bit by bit
and learning little piece at a time, and even though
it's a little bumpy along the way, he's not gonna
I mean, these guys are teachers. This is what they
spend all their time. How can I get my guys

(56:31):
to learn the playbook?

Speaker 2 (56:32):
Coaching is teaching.

Speaker 7 (56:33):
It's huge, Like that is everything to them. I think
that's in question. I think the playbook is not going
to be twenty nineteen, Like it's not going to be
Fred's used to use this all the time, like Tom
Brady is like advanced level calculus. Like it's not going
to start where Tom Brady ended, But the very basics

(56:54):
of the Josh Midniel lawfense requires a certain aptitude on
the part of the quarterback, and it's not you know,
this goes back to it's the air hot system that
Charlie Weiss brought in and all that stuff, and Brady had.

Speaker 6 (57:09):
A very easy transition to it. He took to it
very easily. Not every quarterback will. I don't have any idea, well,
how Drake may will.

Speaker 7 (57:17):
I'm not talking about the level of sophistication that the
offense wound up, but the base part of it, I
think is a little bit more complicated than most offenses,
and I don't know how that's gonna happ I wondered.

Speaker 4 (57:28):
By putting on the quarterback everything pre snapped, Well, Evan.

Speaker 2 (57:32):
Do you know and at you and see if any
of his years that he was making the calls as
opposed to.

Speaker 4 (57:37):
His last year, they put more on his plate in
terms of making protection calls and things like that. Was
it one hundred percent? I don't know the answer to that,
but he was. His coaches told me that they were
making a lot of the call. He was making a
lot of the calls and doing a lot of that
kind of stuff. They ran much more. His first year
as a starter under Phil Longo was a college style

(57:58):
air raid like it was a true college offense. And
when they brought in Longo's replacement, I'm blanking on his
name right now. When they brought him in, it became
more pro style, So it became more of what you
run in the NFL, and the quarterback had more responsibility
at the well, Clyde Christensen was an assistant on the staff. Yeah,

(58:21):
and so they did more of that kind of stuff
at North Carolina, and then last year, obviously it was
the center that was making all the calls in Alex
Van Peltz offense. So that's what I worry about a
little bit. I'm not saying it's like I'm panicked about it,
but it's just right now, that's something that I'm watching.
I'm watching for because I know Drake May is a

(58:42):
fantastic thrower of the football. I know he's a great athlete.
I know he's got all the physical tools in the
world to be a franchise quarterback. I don't know if
he's a director. I don't know if he's one of
those guys that is comfortable getting to the line of scrimmage,
sniffing things out, moving protection, you know, reconfiguring formations, getting

(59:02):
guys lined up in the right places is the easiest
way to say it. I don't know if he's that
like I don't like Brady was that, Peyton Manning was that.
I don't know if that's his superpower. His superpower might
just be the raw tools, whereas with Brady his superpower
was his brain.

Speaker 2 (59:18):
And so we'll find out. We'll see.

Speaker 3 (59:21):
I think you put that out great. I mean, that's
everything you said. I totally agree with. And I just
I just wonder if people feel like, well, Drake may
could be an elite quarterback, but not with this offense,
not with too much on him, you know, is.

Speaker 7 (59:32):
That I go your point, Yeah, if he can't think
to a level that you.

Speaker 2 (59:38):
Need to, he can't be an elite quarterback.

Speaker 7 (59:40):
I don't think that you can just be so physically
gifted that it doesn't matter if you're reading anything or
making these kinds of pre snap decisions that Evan's talking about.
You don't have to be Tom Brady, but you can't
not have an ability to do it. And I've seen
no indications that that Drake may doesn't have the ability
to do it. We saw him as the year went

(01:00:00):
on last year. How many times is he directing people?

Speaker 6 (01:00:04):
You know, guy in wrong places?

Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
Your guy?

Speaker 7 (01:00:07):
Which one, Kendrick Bourne, My bad, bad, I got that.

Speaker 10 (01:00:13):
You know?

Speaker 7 (01:00:13):
How many times was he changing you know, you're there,
You're supposed to be over there in the slot.

Speaker 6 (01:00:16):
You're supposed to be out wide?

Speaker 7 (01:00:18):
You know, he has an aptitude for the position.

Speaker 2 (01:00:21):
And I'm not.

Speaker 4 (01:00:21):
Worried about post snap like, I think he reads coverage well,
I think he sees rotation well, like all that kind
of stuff. I'm not concerned about it, just the pre
snaps that we just haven't seen him do it at
this level because he wasn't necessarily doing it to this
level last year.

Speaker 2 (01:00:36):
So it's just an unknown. Yeah, David's out in New Mexico.
Loved the show. He says, with all the talk about
McDaniel's offense impacting may the receivers and the running backs,
how does the new offense change how the offensive line blocks?
And to Paul Saucer, gravy, gravy, it's not it's not
gravy anyway. How does it affect the offensive line?

Speaker 4 (01:00:57):
Well, I mean, if we want to if you're talking
about scheme and the actual blocks are being asked to
execute versus like the verbiage of the offense, those are,
you know, two different things. But from a verbiage perspective,
I've heard that this offense is actually easier in a
lot of ways from a protection standpoint than other offenses
because they use numbers, and the numbers coincide with how

(01:01:19):
many blockers you have in the protection, so you do
fifty sixty seventies protections, five sixty seven man protects. So
that way there when they say, you know, they'll read
out the play and then they'll have a number to
the protection that's giving the protection scheme, it tells you
within the number how many guys are in the protection,
and it kind of puts it into a family of protection.

(01:01:40):
So I've heard that that is a strength of this system,
that it works that way. And the only thing really
from a protection standpoint that is a little challenging is
is blitz pick up from a running back because they're
dual reading, so most of the time they are reading
off of two guys and you have to make a
decision post snap based off of who's coming and who's
dropping and things like.

Speaker 7 (01:02:01):
That, so quick little aside totally off topic of what
but we did no socks And I sat down with
Craig James today to record one of our latest installment
of Pats from the Past. And one of the things
he talked about, so Patriots fans might not remember, but
Craig James came from SMU under Ron Meyer, you know,

(01:02:23):
and he was part of the Pony Express backfield. But
that was the introduction of Dante Scarnekia to the Patriots.
When Ron Meyer came from SMU to become head coach
of the Patriots, he took along with him Dante Scarnekia
and one of the things that he talked about, ev
was how confusing Craig James talked about how confusing past
protection was for the running backs. They had a lot

(01:02:44):
of if thens yep was the way he explained it,
and Dante completely streamlined it all and made it so simple.
That made it so simple, and that was you know,
that was one of the things that was one of
the takeaways from our talk.

Speaker 2 (01:02:59):
We'll have that probably that's great soon, but.

Speaker 7 (01:03:02):
Yeah, it's just interesting to I mean, most of our
Patch from the Past are more more recent and part
of the Dynasty years. This was a little bit of
a wayback machine.

Speaker 6 (01:03:11):
It was great. He was a great Tell.

Speaker 3 (01:03:13):
Mike, you're working on something, well, I've been on in
nineteen eighty five, like crazy. I mean, I'm at least
gonna writ an article for the Game Day magazine I
and we'll see if I do anything else with it.
But talked to Craig James today, who was my favorite
player growing up. So that was pretty cool to finally
meet him. I picked thirty two in high school and
I told you guys, but just for the listeners. Cool
moment after you guys did the interview, I was walking
him out. The Patriots were walking out for practice and

(01:03:34):
Travon Henderson came wearing thirty two and Craig James just
went up to It was like.

Speaker 2 (01:03:38):
Hey man, I wore number thirty two Craig James in
the eighties.

Speaker 6 (01:03:41):
And Trevon Henderson was like, really cool.

Speaker 2 (01:03:43):
I'm so mad at myself or not.

Speaker 6 (01:03:44):
This would be great. Great on Twitter, you got wait.

Speaker 3 (01:03:48):
I know I would say it happened so fast, but
it's just really cool moment night cool.

Speaker 2 (01:03:52):
Did we body camp right? Yes?

Speaker 6 (01:03:56):
Well did you have your body camera?

Speaker 12 (01:03:57):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:03:57):
Right? No, I didn't, but said he said hello to
Rabel as well, and I talked to Raymond Clayborne outstanding
cornerback as well.

Speaker 6 (01:04:03):
So yeah, it's just fun for me watching going back
to those games.

Speaker 3 (01:04:06):
I watched a lot of the TV copy and it's
crazy because there's no first down marker.

Speaker 6 (01:04:10):
They barely show the clock.

Speaker 3 (01:04:11):
They barely show the scoreboard, so half the time you're
watching it, like I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:04:14):
Know how much time.

Speaker 7 (01:04:14):
Know what they had back then when you watch the games,
you had what they used to call the ten minute ticker,
uh huh, and every ten minutes they will put the
scores up from out of town.

Speaker 2 (01:04:23):
Yeah, you had to wait, wait ten minutes.

Speaker 4 (01:04:26):
We'll find out whenever they show, like you know, you
watch like the nineteen eighty six NBA Finals or something
like that, they don't leave the score back. I know
it's so and it will literally be like one oh three,
one oh two with five seconds to go in the game,
like the biggest play in the season.

Speaker 7 (01:04:42):
You know, put a little square with the clock, but
you wouldn't get the score.

Speaker 2 (01:04:45):
And I'm like, wait, scoreboard, get about the twenty four
second clock?

Speaker 7 (01:04:49):
Yeah, yeah, no idea, you know, I mean you know
who brought in the bug? Right the score Fox?

Speaker 2 (01:04:55):
Really?

Speaker 6 (01:04:56):
Uh? In whatever?

Speaker 2 (01:04:57):
Ninety Yeah?

Speaker 7 (01:04:58):
Was that right ninety It was when they turned to
do before maybe when they started doing games. They they're
the ones that brought the kind of school.

Speaker 2 (01:05:05):
Yes, unbelievable.

Speaker 3 (01:05:07):
It kind of ties into our narrator contrays even know
what you need someone always telling you what the score is.

Speaker 2 (01:05:11):
Now, we watched the games. We seem to survive so much.

Speaker 3 (01:05:17):
You just don't realize watching games. I mean we watch
a lot of games live now, but how on the
president the scoreboard and the first down marker and you
just you take it for granted that you always can
just call.

Speaker 6 (01:05:27):
It when you don't see it all of a sudden,
like wait, what's the score?

Speaker 2 (01:05:30):
You lose Tyler and Ludlow. I have no worries about
McDaniel's coaching up May as he was the coordinator when
Jimmy g had to start for Brady, and we know
that he was very effective. I would expect that McDaniels
has learned from the stakes and will be surprised if
he makes the playbook too complicated for May.

Speaker 3 (01:05:47):
Yeah, I mean, I think we're getting away from the
playbook being too complicated for him, and it's more executing
the scheme.

Speaker 6 (01:05:53):
If that makes sense.

Speaker 7 (01:05:54):
I think that's where we're get kind of the most basic,
easiest play If it's hard for the quarterback to run it,
it's not about a complicated playbook.

Speaker 6 (01:06:02):
It's about running the offense the way he wants it run.

Speaker 4 (01:06:05):
I'm also not concerned about it the way the email
or phrased it. My whole thing is, I just I
wish that they were starting from a higher a higher
starting point right like now, instead of starting hitting the
ground running in OTAs and training camp and stuff like that.
They're still learning.

Speaker 2 (01:06:23):
So you wish McDaniels is here last, Yeah, Like.

Speaker 4 (01:06:26):
So now does it stand the reason that it's really
going to take two years to get it fully operational?
Right like? That's and I know that's that's way down
the line.

Speaker 2 (01:06:36):
I'm not saying that I'm death stars.

Speaker 7 (01:06:39):
Why does it always have to get back to a
wiki level with you?

Speaker 2 (01:06:43):
I'm a geek? Is this thing operation?

Speaker 6 (01:06:47):
But you?

Speaker 7 (01:06:47):
But you, you know, the flip side of that would
be again with my shows is sort of contending. So
I agree that the best best case scenario would have
been to have what Evan said and maybe this be.

Speaker 6 (01:06:57):
Year two of him learning this offense.

Speaker 7 (01:07:00):
But if not, my shows would say, like that's why
they would prefer not to have McDaniels, but maybe another
like McVeigh or Shanahan West Coast kind of a guy
to come in. And even though it's not the same
as Alex van Pelt, it's kind of in that family,
less new to learn. That's why the people it's not
because Josh McDaniels is incompetent, it's offensive coordinator. To the contrary,

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he's been a great offensive coordinator. But people just wonder
if there's so much new, is that stunting the development?

Speaker 2 (01:07:30):
Jack and Abba says, Einstein actually said, actually, everything should
be made as simple as possible, but not simpler. The
point is to simplify, but not oversimplify. Some difficult endeavors
like quarterbacking a pro football team can be simplified only
so much.

Speaker 4 (01:07:47):
I don't want to simplify, like I think we're losing
the plot a little bit. Like all I'm saying is
is that if it takes like last year, where it
was two weeks into training camp before it really you
saw the light bulb kind of go on for ra
May and click. Well, that's two weeks that they could
have been adding other things in and getting really humming.
If that's the path that we take this time because

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of the changes in coaching, then you're not behind the
eight ball, but you're just you're not as ahead as
I would like it to be. But that doesn't mean
that I want Josh McDaniels to take his offense and
strip it down to pee wee football like it, just
it might be a little bit of a slower burn
than what you would have liked.

Speaker 6 (01:08:28):
Well, what would you guys say? This is the question
I'm asking myself.

Speaker 3 (01:08:31):
What would you guys say, are the benefits if Drake
May is able to get this offense down, understand how
to execute it. What are the benefits of this offense
getting to that point versus maybe last year's offense.

Speaker 6 (01:08:42):
If he got to master's Oh, it.

Speaker 2 (01:08:43):
Doesn't have put more stress on the defense. I mean
that type of offense.

Speaker 4 (01:08:47):
It's very multiple, so you can you know, the one
thing that he'll have is answers to tests where like,
you're never going to get caught with your pants down
if you run this offense correctly, you know you're never
going to be in a situation where there's a blitz
coming and you have no answer to it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:04):
There's an answer to everything the defense is doing right, you.

Speaker 4 (01:09:07):
Know, right, So, like you know, if they're bringing you know, pressure,
either there's a built in hot or there's a way
to move the protection or whatever the case may be,
that has answers. Whereas at times last year and even
two years ago, three years ago, like they're snapping the
ball into as Brady would like to say, bad defenses
right the plays.

Speaker 2 (01:09:25):
In order for it to work, you have to recognize. Yeah,
if you don't recognize correctly, then your answer is wrong.

Speaker 4 (01:09:30):
You be recognize if we're going to be wrong and
be wrong together.

Speaker 3 (01:09:34):
But like if you were coaching a team, wouldn't this
be ideal for you that you would want that to be?
I mean, I know it's hard to do, but like
in a perfect situation, you want your quarterback to go
out there and be able to do that.

Speaker 2 (01:09:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:09:47):
So, and like the same thing with the receivers, Like
there's always a lot of discussion about this offense and
how it goes to receivers, but like to me, it's
common sense with the receivers, like if their options are
adjusted or option d outed based off of the coverage,
like instead of running into the defender, we're going to
run away from the defender, right like it, So it

(01:10:07):
should more or less be common sense. But like, you know, okay,
like you know, they used to talk a lot about
you know, Moss would like run a post right, and
he'd be like, well, I'm running the post right into
the post safety, So why am I doing that?

Speaker 2 (01:10:23):
Right?

Speaker 4 (01:10:23):
And so then they started to build Okay, you can
now break to the corner if you see the post right.
And so then he was like, all right, well do
that or like we're going to run a deep over,
so you're going to cross the face of the post
safety instead of going right into the post safety. Like
all that stuff, to me is is kind of common sense.
Like why would you run a route directly into somebody
when you could run the route into an open space.

Speaker 6 (01:10:46):
It's just hard to execute when you're on the field
and guys would kill you.

Speaker 2 (01:10:49):
And it's timing and all that stuff too. Yeah, Sean
and Petaluma, California, guys, he says Lan Larison, dude was
an absolute blow out here at you see Davis, he
can run through the tackles pass pro catch out of
a backfield. I'm a proud you see Davis football season
ticket holder, kind of like Paul and Northeastern.

Speaker 6 (01:11:10):
Absolutely, I was thinking the same thing and.

Speaker 2 (01:11:11):
Watching him up close the past couple of years. Maybe
think of yes, sexy rexy Burkehead.

Speaker 4 (01:11:16):
Yeah, definitely a little Rex Burkhead vibe to him.

Speaker 2 (01:11:19):
By the way, did I see James Devlin at practiced?
You did? You did? An NFL p A, Yeah you did.

Speaker 6 (01:11:23):
Paul Pasqualoni also former Stuse head.

Speaker 2 (01:11:26):
Coach right and Yukon? Right? Wasn't he coach at Yukon?

Speaker 6 (01:11:30):
He may have.

Speaker 2 (01:11:31):
I think he did. I think you might.

Speaker 6 (01:11:33):
He may have.

Speaker 4 (01:11:34):
No way to find out those two There was a
way Rex Burkehead or Land Larris and Rex Burkhead. And
now he's wearing thirty four just like Rex Burkhead and
then Afton Chisholm. I feel like it's just like the
slot version of that.

Speaker 7 (01:11:46):
So I'm going to ask you which you know, which
which one of those two guys, because I just pick
one because I can't do both of them. Why can't
we take I'm not doing either guy, But I've been
inundated with questions about those two players.

Speaker 6 (01:11:58):
One of them has been called Caffrey.

Speaker 4 (01:12:02):
He was that was his nickname in college is the
D T. McCaffrey.

Speaker 6 (01:12:05):
So, uh, you know these two guys, I'm going to
leave it to you guys.

Speaker 7 (01:12:10):
But from now until the end of training camp, you
guys can have all the fun you want.

Speaker 4 (01:12:13):
Why they can't keep.

Speaker 6 (01:12:15):
All saying talk about that was all just talk about
I would talk about. I would talk about one of them.

Speaker 7 (01:12:22):
I'm not talking about the one on the surface. I
would say the running back would have a better shot.

Speaker 4 (01:12:26):
Just the numbers.

Speaker 7 (01:12:27):
Because of the numbers, now Chishom's a little redundant to
the wide receiver part. To me, that would be interesting
as if they decide some of the guys that we've
quote unquote said well you should be here. You know,
some someone isn't here, like even like a mac Hollins,
you know, like a free you know, it's not unprecedented
that a free agent. We had a member Mike and

(01:12:48):
I had a member of the media. I'm not going
to say who it was. Said, that's rare, he said,
book it surprise Mac Collins tour the other day.

Speaker 6 (01:12:57):
A negative member of the media.

Speaker 7 (01:12:58):
Yes, So I'm not saying that I don't think that
that will happen. I think that they like Matt Collins,
but if something unforeseen like that happens, because this kid
is really pushing, you know, on the on the practice field.

Speaker 2 (01:13:12):
Yeah, by all means hard to tell.

Speaker 3 (01:13:14):
I just I mean he's quick and definitely stood out
for his quickness. But I just I feel like it's
kind of Pop Douglas. And I mean maybe Pop Douglass
got hurt and you felt like you needed a slot.

Speaker 6 (01:13:24):
I just like gambling on size a little more. It's
it's hard. It's really hard to know.

Speaker 3 (01:13:27):
It makes you wonder or makes you understand why maybe
Edelman Welker took them a little while to find their
stride because those guys they.

Speaker 6 (01:13:34):
Don't physically they're not physically imposing.

Speaker 3 (01:13:36):
You really have to see it consistently to believe that
they can do it.

Speaker 4 (01:13:39):
There's just such a translatable skill set which ism into
the McDaniels offense because we've seen it so many times before.
And I think the one thing he has maybe on
pop Pop's definitely a better athlete, you know, definitely more
explosive and and things like that, but he's got that
feel of like how to get opens especially again zone coverage,
like he's got that that sort of knack for you know,

(01:14:01):
where are the soft spots and where to settle and
how to make himself open and things like that over
the middle of the field, where I think Pop Douglas
is really good against man coverage, but he still doesn't
have that in sixth sense with the quarterback. I think
Chishom might have that.

Speaker 2 (01:14:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:14:17):
Interesting, that's a really interesting point someone. I hadn't really
considered it, but I think you're really right, and that
could be a place where one guy maybe just has
a little better feel for the game then.

Speaker 1 (01:14:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:14:26):
Peter and Ottawa. Uh, Peter from Ottawa in Florida. I've
been meaning to send this email for a while. I
used to think that Fred was the person who was
essential to the podcast, but over the years I've since
discovered it's Paul. When he isn't there. There was absolutely
no pushback. If we can get Evan more jaded, he
has some potential, but without Paul and his pushback, the

(01:14:46):
show has become dull. In other words, we need the
negative Nancy push down negative.

Speaker 6 (01:14:53):
You said, pushka, No, that's that's all right, all right.
I think Fred agreed to disagree with.

Speaker 2 (01:14:58):
I think you all make me.

Speaker 4 (01:14:59):
Think sometimes about it. I'm actually right about things, thank you.

Speaker 6 (01:15:03):
Fred makes me think in all seriousness.

Speaker 7 (01:15:04):
He makes me think of things in way different ways
than I think of him. Yeah, And sometimes I make
fun of him for it and we end up arguing
with one of our semantics arguments. And sometimes I'm like,
I never thought of it that way, and I'm better
for it. But you always think of him in different ways,
don't you think?

Speaker 2 (01:15:22):
Sometimes because when you're an idiot.

Speaker 6 (01:15:24):
But you know I didn't say that, No, I said it.
I was gonna say, how did you interpret what I
just said? Is an idiot?

Speaker 2 (01:15:31):
I think of things a different way sometimes because I'm
an odd.

Speaker 7 (01:15:33):
But but it's like when you used to used to
have the joke about the press conferences. Sometimes I see
I go between the line right and get it, get
the and you do you you look at things differently.

Speaker 2 (01:15:44):
Sometimes It's funny.

Speaker 3 (01:15:45):
I was thinking about it because you I didn't know
you during the Dynasty when they were winning Super Bowls.

Speaker 2 (01:15:53):
Oh he still does.

Speaker 3 (01:15:54):
So I've only been on a show with you when
they've kind of been bad.

Speaker 6 (01:15:58):
So you've been right way too much about all of this.
Stuff that's unfolded over.

Speaker 2 (01:16:03):
That's a couple of years.

Speaker 6 (01:16:03):
I didn't even know what I would say.

Speaker 7 (01:16:05):
It's been a complete one eighty like the height of
the diet and Fred tell it. Fred will admit this,
like I never ever thought they were gonna lose.

Speaker 2 (01:16:12):
Yeh never, Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:16:15):
I would declare games over in the first quarter, like
that's over. It's like they once she's you know, oh
they Oh Brady can throw it into the winds as well,
this game's over. Like literally, I was as obnoxious a
Patriots fan as you could get.

Speaker 4 (01:16:28):
We need that.

Speaker 6 (01:16:29):
I just I just want to know what it's like.

Speaker 7 (01:16:31):
No, no, no, no, we don't need that Paul back. We
need that team back. Cap would you be I'll be
obnoxious and tell you they're gonna win every game.

Speaker 6 (01:16:37):
If I think they're gonna.

Speaker 3 (01:16:38):
Win every game, I mean, it just would have been fun, though,
to see like you poo pooing a guy and instead
of it being like Paul was right, to be.

Speaker 6 (01:16:44):
Like, oh, the guy's actually awesome. I don't know, but
you know, like you've been like right on all this.
I mean, like Matt Jones, I'm like, I don't know, Paul,
he's gonna be okay, don't worry like I don't know,
like all right, like I'm not gonna lie.

Speaker 7 (01:16:56):
My first impression of Kyle Williams the other day he
runs a go round against Alex Austin and got covered
like a blanket. I didn't like that. That was my
first thing, first thing that I saw.

Speaker 2 (01:17:05):
I didn't like it.

Speaker 4 (01:17:06):
Got open.

Speaker 3 (01:17:07):
I was sitting well, I was gonna say that in
uh and Kyle Williams defense was long, speedest thinger was
like off the.

Speaker 2 (01:17:13):
Line and talk.

Speaker 7 (01:17:14):
You know, he ran a nice over on I believe
Craig Woodson near the sideline for a nice guy throw
and catch you on that play.

Speaker 6 (01:17:24):
Give you a little bit of.

Speaker 2 (01:17:24):
Both Josh and Atlanta says, because I love you.

Speaker 6 (01:17:27):
I think it was.

Speaker 2 (01:17:28):
Evan talks about the Celtics for five minutes during a
playoff run and gets lamp based by the fake Patriots
fans who don't care about Boston sports. Meanwhile, Paul can
manufacture a narrator argument with multiple leaf Schreiberd name drops,
and no one bats an eye. Leah, Leah, Evan keep talking,
sees the real New Englanders appreciate it, and if Paul
likes narrating, so much. Let's have him do it for

(01:17:49):
episode two.

Speaker 4 (01:17:50):
Thank you?

Speaker 7 (01:17:50):
Oh no, like we already told you who the narrator is.
The producer is the narrator.

Speaker 4 (01:17:56):
Yeah, I appreciate he didn't.

Speaker 6 (01:17:57):
Come from the other side of the field on that play. Okay.

Speaker 7 (01:18:00):
Evan has informed me that the play that I was
giving Kyle Williams props for was just a regular out.
I could have sworn he was in the slot on
the right side of the field and caught it on
the left sideline as a.

Speaker 4 (01:18:09):
Little smash concept hitch corner. Okay, see smash covered too
little pump, I know, smash throw it in the hole.

Speaker 6 (01:18:16):
A little pushback from Evan. Everything's got to give pushback.

Speaker 2 (01:18:20):
Of the ball, the ball.

Speaker 4 (01:18:23):
Knower on case.

Speaker 6 (01:18:24):
I got to get that T shirt printed. I already
did it. You have a ball taking a break? Did
you get food today?

Speaker 2 (01:18:29):
I did.

Speaker 3 (01:18:30):
It's not here yet, so like the unc and was
like speaking of that, you sent our school into chaos.

Speaker 2 (01:18:38):
You best dug He says that first time, longtime, Fred,
you always used to say Paul's food is here, but
you don't anymore. What happened? Did you hurt his feelings?
Or is Paul so s felt now that you're no
longer body shaming him. Yeah, Paul doesn't eat anymore. He's
on a starvation diet until the Patriots went.

Speaker 6 (01:18:57):
Fred's food is here now every day.

Speaker 2 (01:19:00):
He said, Fortune Fox Sports, fantastic. Love the job all involved, LFG.
Thanks for the show, Thanks for the great content and hilarity.

Speaker 1 (01:19:11):
Good.

Speaker 4 (01:19:11):
It's been a good show.

Speaker 2 (01:19:12):
It's been fun. But I'm losing steam if I don't
get food soon.

Speaker 6 (01:19:16):
Yeah, all that PiZZ of time.

Speaker 2 (01:19:19):
Jess in New York City rights in. We got some
phone calls too. I'll get to. Media footage and press
headlines could be used in lieu of a narrator or
type on screen to explain things like Rabel's hiring or
the construction of the football facility. For example, ten seconds
from the NFL network doing a breaking news Mike Rabel
heading back to New England story, or showing a few
seconds of a press release with a Patriots break ground

(01:19:41):
on football facility headline and picture of the crafts holding shovels.
I'm not sure what that's called, but I've definitely seen
documentaries use quick clips of media coverage.

Speaker 7 (01:19:51):
That's actually done that. Yeah, yeah, the covery. That's exactly
what they did for Rabel. Yeah, we had I believe
it was Adam Schefter.

Speaker 2 (01:19:57):
Yeah, we used a lot of eyesen Rich Eisen Yeah,
I can't see. Uh, let's see Kendall in North Carolina.
What's up Kendall, Kendall, Hey, how you doing good?

Speaker 10 (01:20:13):
I'm coming up to September twenty nine from North Carolina
for the Panthers patries. I think that's the game. Okay,
I'm coming.

Speaker 12 (01:20:20):
I wanted I wanted to know.

Speaker 14 (01:20:21):
What are some good eating areas close to the stadium
and some good hotels or airbnb?

Speaker 2 (01:20:27):
Well, it depends on what you want to I mean,
you know there's a lot of good good eats around here.

Speaker 6 (01:20:31):
Where are you planning on staying? Yeah, like in Providence
or in Boston or.

Speaker 10 (01:20:37):
That we can get to the stadium.

Speaker 2 (01:20:39):
Okay, well I would I would say, you know there's
two hotels right on property. Yeah, there's the Renaissance and
the Hilton Garden in but they usually get booked up
quick and if you do that, they're expensive. It's the
Renaissance at Patriot Place and then there's the Hilton Garden

(01:20:59):
in here at Patriot Place, but they tend to be
a little.

Speaker 4 (01:21:02):
Also the home to Sweets down the street.

Speaker 2 (01:21:06):
There's a holiday Inn in Mansfield, which is actually a
real nice holiday inn which is close by.

Speaker 14 (01:21:10):
To Okay, is how is the Boston from.

Speaker 4 (01:21:14):
Foxboro forty five minutes to an hour?

Speaker 10 (01:21:17):
Yeah, okay, I appreciate it.

Speaker 7 (01:21:20):
Yeah, okay, all right, the travel agency thanks often tell
him if you end up staying in the in the
Foxborough area, then there's plenty of restaurants right here at
Patriot Place that you know.

Speaker 2 (01:21:34):
If you want Italian Lucianos is right down the street.

Speaker 6 (01:21:37):
Lucianos is excellent.

Speaker 14 (01:21:38):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:21:38):
There's also a barbecue place that's it looks like about
we saw the smoke, like the Pope knocking on the door.

Speaker 2 (01:21:44):
It is.

Speaker 6 (01:21:44):
It is Blondie.

Speaker 2 (01:21:47):
I'm ready Blondie's barbecue. I hope it's good. We hope
we really need good barbecue. I mean it looks legit.

Speaker 6 (01:21:52):
I mean they got the big smokers out there. They've
been building it for a while.

Speaker 2 (01:21:55):
Yeah, okay, the proof is in the bar on the ribs.
All right, take a break because my food just arrived,
uh not Paul's. And we'll be right back after this.
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Send all your leftover emails to podcast at Patriots dot com.
If they don't get right on the show, we'll read
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I just want to say how much I enjoyed the
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Kirsch and on screen stars do some Paul. I mean,
it was unbelievable.

Speaker 18 (01:24:31):
It was it was it was some absolutely you know
the meme with the absolute cinema. Yeah, you can kind
of give on those. It was really well put together.
I mean, whole whole squad did a great job on it.
You know, everybody kind of came together and it was
a heavy left but it's an awesome, awesome video.

Speaker 17 (01:24:48):
I mean, Chris, like you know, just behind the scenes,
like a lot happened in the last season. I mean,
we we had it before with the previous administration, and
we're went straight into this, but like cameras are rolling
the whole time and we're sure to capture that bring
it all the way up and we got another episode coming.

Speaker 18 (01:25:06):
Right, and it gives you that like authentic feel to it,
and it's like it's coming completely from us and it is.

Speaker 1 (01:25:12):
It's just awesome. Well we've been able to capture.

Speaker 17 (01:25:14):
If you're a Pats fan, there's no reason not to
learn it, all right. That was from Dano Thursday's show Greetings.
So I was driving home from the office listening to
Thursday's show, and once I got into the freeway just
as Alex and Duce were making their simultaneous rod dogging comment.

Speaker 2 (01:25:29):
I was looking at the.

Speaker 17 (01:25:30):
Car stopped on the side of the road and accidentally
gazed upon two men relieving themselves, not Paul style, on
the side of the road. I actually reround, re round,
or whatever the current term is for it the podcast,
thinking my brain had just made me hear them incorrectly
based on what my eyes were seeing. Nope, I heard
what I heard. I saw what I saw. I laughed
out loud. He rarely disappoints cheers to see.

Speaker 1 (01:25:53):
I mean, I don't know what to say to that.

Speaker 17 (01:25:55):
You gotta call you gotta go, all right, Fred and Paul.
Please teach the youngsters oh some manners. Normally I only
listen to the replay of podcast on my drive home.
Today I was working from home and watch the podcast
live for the first time. Please teach the youngsters to
put their phones down, phones down, and pay attention to

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the conversation.

Speaker 1 (01:26:18):
Rude.

Speaker 17 (01:26:19):
Additionally, Evan, stop with the faces when someone disagrees with
you with your point of view. I'll be glad to
send money for the movie tickets for the youngsters to
see Jaws. Just let me know when and where to
send the money. Evan, the original Star Wars is that
was the best, just like the first Super Bowl was
the best.

Speaker 1 (01:26:35):
Old school.

Speaker 18 (01:26:36):
I'm actually against the Star Wars take. I think making
fun of that in facial expressions is one of the
funniest things I've heard in a while.

Speaker 1 (01:26:43):
Yeah, because he's he's a sour puss.

Speaker 7 (01:26:45):
He is.

Speaker 18 (01:26:46):
He loves to kind of he gives his opinion if
someone's nose.

Speaker 1 (01:26:49):
Like, well, I disagree, agreed, disagree.

Speaker 2 (01:26:52):
Phones down. Phones phones are always down here they are,
We're down. Come on, phones are down.

Speaker 17 (01:26:56):
If you look at the Maddison, the phone's not bad.

Speaker 1 (01:26:58):
I've never Yeah, we're taking it all.

Speaker 17 (01:27:00):
We'll take that's for that's for Alex and Fess. Yeah,
and then with Jaws, that's that's all Alex.

Speaker 2 (01:27:06):
She needs to see that.

Speaker 1 (01:27:07):
Yeah, So the fact that she has is crazy old school.

Speaker 17 (01:27:10):
We'll tell you where to send the money, but she
needs to watch it. This like it's almost it's almost
Cape Cod Martha's Vineyard season. So all right, last one.
What I've learned this offseason. I got a list here. Okay,
this from David in DC. I've learned so much from
you all this off season. One Fred goes over the
top rather than through the door. Two Paul is a

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hot sister. Three Mike likes the Celtics as much as
he likes Tom Brady. Four Alex likes dudes and backwards caps.
Five Evan thought that he still thinks he knows everything
about football, thought that and probably does, but very little
about anything else.

Speaker 2 (01:27:45):
Damn roasted.

Speaker 17 (01:27:46):
Six I miss Andy's advice about swamp ass.

Speaker 2 (01:27:49):
Seven.

Speaker 17 (01:27:50):
It took a year, but the silos finally came down
and there appears to be some collaboration.

Speaker 2 (01:27:54):
Eight.

Speaker 17 (01:27:55):
The Pope has a degree in mathematics. He not only
knows sin, he knows co sign.

Speaker 1 (01:28:00):
That's exciting.

Speaker 2 (01:28:01):
I like that.

Speaker 1 (01:28:02):
That was a hefty email.

Speaker 2 (01:28:05):
Is paul sister hot?

Speaker 1 (01:28:06):
Yeah? What about what about that one?

Speaker 2 (01:28:08):
But I had questions, as I guess I'll ask Paul.

Speaker 1 (01:28:10):
And Evan really doesn't know anything about ball either, so
is he?

Speaker 2 (01:28:16):
The line to us is Evan a fraud?

Speaker 1 (01:28:18):
Is Evan interesting?

Speaker 17 (01:28:19):
He might be, but you can find out that the
next episode. You guys, and once again, thanks for sending
in the emails. If they don't get right on the show,
we'll read them here. Let's get back to our peak
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Speaker 2 (01:30:33):
And now great moments in.

Speaker 18 (01:30:38):
History.

Speaker 2 (01:30:38):
Back in the day when Eric was still a meat eater, right,
we went to Arthur's and wanted to get a steak
while done, and I objected. He did, I objected, He.

Speaker 6 (01:30:47):
Voiced in opposition, that's ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (01:30:49):
Yes, told the servers that don't you dare, don't you dare?
Bring him a cooked.

Speaker 15 (01:30:53):
Steak about five minutes later.

Speaker 2 (01:30:57):
He doesn't need a good cut, is what I'm saying.
You don't need to waste the money on someone who's
gonna have all done.

Speaker 6 (01:31:04):
It's a waste because you.

Speaker 2 (01:31:06):
Don't want to. It'll taste the same, is what I'm saying.
He won't even know the difference.

Speaker 6 (01:31:10):
Of course, you know the difference street cuts of meat.

Speaker 2 (01:31:12):
Not when you do it well done, not when you
cook it well done. Just give him a hook. It
loses its flavor, It loses all its flavor.

Speaker 6 (01:31:21):
All your sins, sins.

Speaker 2 (01:31:24):
That's another great moment from so it's your fault, fread
what's my fault?

Speaker 3 (01:31:31):
When I went to Indian everyone's like, you gotta get
your primary medium rare like Bradley did. And then I
was not in a good place of the combine for
about two days. But I think I have it in
my head, like if you're gonna get a good steak,
you gotta get it medium.

Speaker 2 (01:31:41):
Rare, right at the most medium, at the most most medium.
That's you doing it. But not Hamburger is different. Hamburger
is different because you you've broken the membrane seal. So Hamburger,
you actually had no less than medium. I actually, when
I go to a restaurant, if I order a hamburger,
it's medium well because I want that burger cook because

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bacteria gets in when into ground beef. But steak has
that membrane still on it, so you can order it
medium rare.

Speaker 4 (01:32:12):
I'm with Fred on the steak. If you order if
you go to like a nice steakhouse and you order medium, well,
I don't respect you to do better.

Speaker 6 (01:32:19):
I don't bother like that's good.

Speaker 2 (01:32:21):
Burger is good. Way, that's good. Yeah, don't you break
down the membrane.

Speaker 7 (01:32:25):
In the mid on this we as We've had this
discussion many times in the past.

Speaker 4 (01:32:30):
Like when we go to the Elmos in Indy, if
I see somebody order medium, well, I'm like, why.

Speaker 2 (01:32:35):
Don't you just go home?

Speaker 6 (01:32:38):
It's not going to be anymore, that's for sure. A
medium well guy. No, no, I was a medium rare
guy once and.

Speaker 4 (01:32:45):
Just for the record, everybody at that table said to
do hey, dude, that that looks a little rare, like
maybe you should send it back, and no, no, it's
all it's fine.

Speaker 2 (01:32:55):
But it was like people like their sak like raw,
they'll order it rare. Yeah, that's too much. That's what
I got was rare. I didn't order the pink not red.

Speaker 3 (01:33:06):
Yeah right, yeah, I heard that medium rare, but I
didn't order the two days on the toilet afterwards.

Speaker 2 (01:33:11):
Have steak tartar, right. James pettigrew the most interesting Patriots
fan in the world.

Speaker 1 (01:33:17):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:33:17):
So how much was the motivation to make the doc
an appeasement to fans? Seems like the old Bill way
of communicating only works when winning Super Bowls. Also, how
is the new environment for you guys? Does it make
the job easier or is there now more to do?
Eric would have hated this much activity in the off season,
that's true appiacement to fans. I don't know. I think

(01:33:40):
we were offered the opportunity and we took it.

Speaker 7 (01:33:43):
Yeah, I think it's it's circumstantial. I think that there
are different coaches that have come in the last two
years that had a different sort of mindset when it
came to content and social media and all that stuff.
And I think Bill was obviously setting his ways and
didn't really embraced much of that, whereas Girod last year,
and I would say even more so Mike this year,

(01:34:05):
have been a little bit more open to doing that.
I think that was really the sole impetus. I don't
think it was. I mean, we're always looking to do
stuff that we think is going to be appealing to
the fans.

Speaker 2 (01:34:15):
The fombs, Well, it's just the word pressure. Like before,
like you had pressure to come up with content because
you weren't given the access, so you had to do
other things. Now you get the access and now there's
a pressure. We better do good with it or they're
going to take it away. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:34:31):
I mean, I think this is a lot of the
most high performing content around the league that other teams do.
I know, the Philadelphia Eagles, they put out videos like this.

Speaker 2 (01:34:39):
They are noting the wheel here, but I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:34:41):
I just the appeasement where it buzzed me because to me,
it's like I just I want to entertain the fans,
Like that's what activation is, entertainment, showing behind the scenes,
this is the response, this is what fans eat.

Speaker 2 (01:34:52):
Our goal is always to bring the fans closer to
the team. Now we have more ways to do it,
which is good. Quick says, hopefully it's a long term series.
Any chance of doing a deep dive into the scouting department,
I was fascinated with that aspect of the first episode.
I think following the scouts as they attend games without

(01:35:12):
telling us who they're looking at, but seeing the scouting
process through their eyes.

Speaker 7 (01:35:16):
Hey, so I would just say this is you know,
the appeasement word sort of got under your skin a
little bit, Mike. One of the things that gets under
my skin a little bit is like, how about we
do this, this and this, and generally there are things
that we've done, like we have a series that we've
done for I don't know ten years, like, you know,

(01:35:38):
do your job. Yep, We've been behind the scenes with scouts.
We've given you deep dives into some of these things. Now,
I think the meetings themselves that Evan was talking about,
that's a little different that we've gotten to show you.
But we've followed a guy on the road, a pro
scout on the road, you know, to do his job.

Speaker 6 (01:35:59):
We've fall load, you know, all kinds of different.

Speaker 7 (01:36:04):
Personnel here and what they do, and we're going to
have a story I think soon. Ted Harper, the nutritionist,
was just recognized from the ward. Alex who's not here
today because she's on another community event. She's going to
be doing a nice profile on that. Again, we've done
him before. We're telling you behind the scenes stuff of

(01:36:26):
what all these people do, and that the content is
out there. Maybe we need to do a better job
of promoting it, but we've done a lot of these
things that people are looking for.

Speaker 6 (01:36:35):
Evan embedded, Evan embedded with the Scouting Department.

Speaker 7 (01:36:38):
Yeah, I think Evan just needs to go to the
Scouting Department of me. I just think you're missing this
guy knows what he's talking. You're young enough, like see,
I'm too old. You're young enough to reinvent yourself.

Speaker 2 (01:36:51):
I could see you on the road in Kennesaw, Georgia, Paul.

Speaker 3 (01:36:59):
Paul taking down offensive line.

Speaker 2 (01:37:03):
When you're done downloading porn to your laptop.

Speaker 7 (01:37:07):
That is what that is what you have to do
to be a member of the Scouting Oh no, I'm
just kidding.

Speaker 2 (01:37:12):
Just a turn.

Speaker 4 (01:37:15):
There we go.

Speaker 2 (01:37:16):
Boston Cream's on the line. What's up, Boston Cream?

Speaker 6 (01:37:18):
Yo yo donut.

Speaker 14 (01:37:20):
Hey guys, I think we've reached our limit for tired
pumps on your guys' video. There so spread people in
the organization listen to you on certain things, right, you
have a voice.

Speaker 2 (01:37:33):
No, I'm out of the loop. Okay, I have no voice.

Speaker 14 (01:37:39):
I would say that you're like the medium between the
fans and the organization.

Speaker 2 (01:37:44):
Is that correct? I can be at that at times? Sure, Okay, yeah, okay.

Speaker 14 (01:37:48):
I've always taken you as someone who isn't scared of
a challenge, at least in certain arguments on the show.

Speaker 2 (01:37:54):
Sure.

Speaker 14 (01:37:56):
So the fans have spoken and the current uniforms aren't
living up to the Patriots standard of excellent and also
the voice of the Patriots fans. What can a man
of the people like yourself.

Speaker 8 (01:38:06):
Do about it?

Speaker 3 (01:38:06):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:38:07):
Well, that's a good question. And sometimes you're more effective
being a voice if you agree with it. I don't
really give a damn about the uniforms, So I don't
know if i'd be your most effective voice. But I
have heard about that, and uh, you know, I think
that there's like a five year runway that you have
to have when you want to make a whole sale
uniform change, whole uniform change. So, but I think didn't

(01:38:33):
they announce that they're going to have the rivalry? It's
the No. They didn't wear the one piece blueberry last year,
I know, but.

Speaker 6 (01:38:43):
But they did. Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:38:45):
Now, they had other games that they wore the dirty
pants with the blue shirt because because they were both
no one wants to.

Speaker 2 (01:38:50):
But nobody want to know. I agree that the one
piece blueberry forget.

Speaker 4 (01:38:53):
It all that out and at the nfl p A
thing with the Rookie Symposium thing, Trayvon Henderson and I
think as Kyle Williams were there and uh, they were
wearing the full blueberries.

Speaker 6 (01:39:04):
Really, so do you guys have be interested in you?

Speaker 2 (01:39:15):
I was just gonna say, Paul, what would you like
to see? Hello?

Speaker 11 (01:39:22):
Sorry, I thought that question was to Paul, for you
to you.

Speaker 3 (01:39:27):
Like.

Speaker 14 (01:39:28):
I kind of like a lot of different things here.
I don't want to go back to the dynasty. I
think that just needs to live.

Speaker 10 (01:39:33):
In the past.

Speaker 6 (01:39:34):
What wrong?

Speaker 14 (01:39:37):
Like I would like to see the Patriots work in
more alternate uniforms so that we all everyone kind of
gets what they want. But there's gonna be a little
bit of a modernization on probably the helmet, probably the jersey.
And then it took Heay to get the silver pants back.
I think that's kind of iconic and Patriots history. But

(01:39:58):
I don't have the answer. But I'm not I'm not
as smart. I'm not as smart as bread.

Speaker 4 (01:40:03):
So I think the blueberry I think it works as
a jersey. I think it's the full ensemble that doesn't work.

Speaker 6 (01:40:12):
That's is my question to you guys.

Speaker 7 (01:40:14):
Is it the monochromatic thing that we don't like or
is it the actual style of the uniform.

Speaker 2 (01:40:19):
Usually I don't like one color throughout the only time
sometimes it looks good, like when the Bengals came out
in the all white that looked sharp.

Speaker 7 (01:40:30):
I like it as a one off. Yeah, I do
like them as a one off. That the one color, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:40:35):
Well they did that. That was color rush that these are, Yeah,
and I kind of like some of those now. I
think that the the blueberry jersey could more or less
work with the silver pants. But the silver pants have
to be made for the blueberry jersey. They can't be
made for the old like the silver pants that they
use now are pants? Are we're crossing sets of jerseys extreams? Right?

Speaker 3 (01:41:01):
I think I would say the tip uniform behind Paul
over there, that white jersey with the red pants, I'd
like to see some version of that.

Speaker 6 (01:41:08):
And then I just like to see a modernistable.

Speaker 2 (01:41:10):
In so seventies.

Speaker 6 (01:41:11):
I like that, but don't overthink it.

Speaker 3 (01:41:15):
I would just say, update the Dynasty uniforms, get a
little bit more of a modern fit, maybe a little
bit different though, Like I'm not a designer, but I
just think the cut could be a little bit more.

Speaker 6 (01:41:24):
Maybe perhaps you know, just as you get better.

Speaker 3 (01:41:27):
Jerseys fit a little bit better. But I just that's
the Patriots. Like you want to flip on the TV
and you know instantly who's playing. That's what happens when
you turn on the Packers. It's always looked the same.
They have some the cowboys, the forty nine ers, the
dynasties in the NFL, where the uniforms that they were
dynasties in And that's who the Patriots are.

Speaker 6 (01:41:44):
I think that's who they should mostly be.

Speaker 2 (01:41:46):
The you're saying you don't want change.

Speaker 6 (01:41:48):
I want those to come back. I want the Dynasty,
but update them.

Speaker 7 (01:41:52):
But if they were all blue with that like they
did in two thousand and two.

Speaker 6 (01:41:55):
The Patriots, No, I don't like it too much blue.

Speaker 2 (01:41:58):
I'm blueberries.

Speaker 4 (01:42:00):
The forty nine ers are a great example because they've
modernized the Dynasty jersey and.

Speaker 3 (01:42:04):
It's still like you flip the TV and still red
and every somebody from the nineteen eighties coming to try
a time machine.

Speaker 6 (01:42:11):
Which dynasty.

Speaker 7 (01:42:12):
They were entirely different uniforms throughout their dinostare point.

Speaker 3 (01:42:15):
I didn't care for the ones where they went like
the shadow numbers, the shadow numbers, like the turn I
didn't like that. But they were in the they were
in the same like vicinity right like they weren't totally.

Speaker 2 (01:42:24):
They changed some of the font a little bit.

Speaker 7 (01:42:26):
And the colors of color scheme. The Patriots changed their
color skin.

Speaker 2 (01:42:30):
Yeah, they went blue.

Speaker 6 (01:42:31):
Miners didn't. Yeah, So that's I mean, that's just to me.

Speaker 7 (01:42:33):
I know, they went from red to blue, Like you
like one blue and you don't like another blue.

Speaker 6 (01:42:38):
That was too much blue, which is what I'm like
the primate group I don't want. That's what I'm finding
interesting is you guys. It's you don't like the one color.
You don't like the monocrap which manic look. I didn't
hate it when it was a color rush uniform, like
when it was once a year, and I would agree
with you, and I could swallow a pill on any
one off unifor I just don't like.

Speaker 7 (01:42:57):
I mean, obviously they had tremendous success. I don't really
like the blue and gray with the elvis I don't.
I like the old ones better, but they're never going
back to the old one, so it doesn't really matter.

Speaker 2 (01:43:08):
I've like, I've kind of not had a problem, but
wish that they go away from the silver helmet to
white with the new logo. I think that would be
sharp because you know we're the Patriots. That's red, white
and blue. Where does silver come into here? You know?

Speaker 4 (01:43:24):
The other thing I worry about, like the Bruins have
like sixteen different jerseys, like they have all like, we don't.

Speaker 6 (01:43:32):
I don't want that.

Speaker 2 (01:43:33):
Now. Your league, the NBA, it's getting worse. It's getting worse.

Speaker 6 (01:43:38):
League.

Speaker 4 (01:43:38):
It's not it's not quite the Bruins, like the always
have three different jerseys in rotation. Right now they don't
have it.

Speaker 2 (01:43:43):
Seems more to me. But what about the Red Sox
new one, the new Yeah, the.

Speaker 4 (01:43:47):
Then hate it?

Speaker 2 (01:43:50):
They were once and then they didn't wear it again,
you know, like over the weekend, Like yeah, but if
it be a different usually city, connect your word for
the series.

Speaker 4 (01:44:01):
No, they'll wear it again, but I'm.

Speaker 2 (01:44:02):
Sure they will, but they didn't wear it after that game.

Speaker 4 (01:44:04):
I really I really liked those ones. I thought those
are the best ones so far. Of the alternates, and
I thought they were really sharp. That green is obviously
stoic with Fenway, like, that's a that's what I.

Speaker 6 (01:44:16):
Kind of liked about it.

Speaker 2 (01:44:17):
Monster.

Speaker 6 (01:44:18):
Yeah, it's green, Monster Green, I kind of liked.

Speaker 4 (01:44:20):
I bought one of the hats. I'm not shame to
admit I love the hat.

Speaker 7 (01:44:24):
I don't hate to look at those other ones, though,
the blue and yellow ones. I just think they wore
them too much.

Speaker 4 (01:44:29):
And it's just also like I get the connection, I
get the story behind them, but it's not really red Sox.

Speaker 2 (01:44:34):
No.

Speaker 4 (01:44:35):
It was a one time thing with the marathon that like,
but now it's kind of.

Speaker 2 (01:44:39):
Green Monster shirts Adam and Whizyanna. The current jerseys are
way too generic. They look like the jersey you get
assigned in a video game for startup team. There's no
pizazz to the uniforms. It's just blue and stripes.

Speaker 6 (01:44:51):
It's very constructive email.

Speaker 2 (01:44:52):
There's nothing interesting about them. I'm in favor of the
Dynasty uniforms coming back or a new rendition on the
nineties Royal Blue Ooze like those the Royal Blues. When
they were out, people made fun of them.

Speaker 4 (01:45:05):
I don't think they're great. They made fun of them.

Speaker 3 (01:45:07):
Well now it's like they're so bad they're I don't
remember them getting made fun of.

Speaker 7 (01:45:10):
Fred Evidently every uniform they ever had got made fun of, right,
I love everybody made fun of the pat Patriots.

Speaker 6 (01:45:17):
I don't remember this.

Speaker 4 (01:45:18):
Can we can we bring them back, like for like
an anniversary game of Like.

Speaker 2 (01:45:22):
Sure there's something like I mean, just that's.

Speaker 4 (01:45:25):
That's my child.

Speaker 3 (01:45:25):
It's like all of it to me feels a little
bit screwy because like even their practice jerseys still seem
like they have the font from the old Dynasty jerseys
on them. But it's a different fun NOWT Like, these
are all things that I track, and I'm like, not
track like a dated.

Speaker 6 (01:45:38):
That's how I know you track it.

Speaker 4 (01:45:40):
But when they wear the blueberry top with the silver pants,
but the silver pants belong to the Dynasty uniforms, they
don't belong to these, and the stripes are all they
don't I'm like, what this looks.

Speaker 2 (01:45:50):
I'd look ridiculous.

Speaker 3 (01:45:51):
Get a fashion person, like a legit fashion person, to
break down the uniforms, like all of them, like all
the ones they ever warn and get like an honest,
fashion informed opinion.

Speaker 6 (01:45:59):
What for that means.

Speaker 2 (01:46:01):
Okay, back to football, Jason writes in predictions for starting
offense and defense, all twenty two guys, we're not doing
that yet. Also a game, what's everyone's hope expectation? And
better not be okay, So three categories, what's everyone's hope expectation?

(01:46:22):
And better not be for wins? So what's your hope?
Seventeen and owns right?

Speaker 6 (01:46:27):
Well, is this record related or just general speakings? Hope
ten wins, expectation seven wins? Better not be four wins?

Speaker 2 (01:46:36):
That's right way, Yeah, seventeen and now hope, what's your
hope expectation? And better not be for Drake May's touchdowns
slash passing yards.

Speaker 6 (01:46:47):
Under fifteen interceptions be that better not.

Speaker 2 (01:46:51):
Being interceptions are approaching the touchdowns.

Speaker 4 (01:46:55):
Kind of be like a two fifteen is a good Yeah,
fifteen through forty touchdown correct?

Speaker 6 (01:47:01):
I agree with you two to one ration. I think
someone recently had like forty one and sixteen. I could
I could live, I could live. I think Josh Allen
might have had a year like.

Speaker 4 (01:47:09):
That's quite crazy. Yeah, I even throw forty three.

Speaker 7 (01:47:12):
No, I'm just saying, like to your point, like I
can live with fifteen recks. If he's showing forty touchdowns, yeah,
I think.

Speaker 2 (01:47:19):
My hope for touchdowns is forty. My expectation is thirty
and better not be. Ten.

Speaker 4 (01:47:26):
Man, if he throws thirty touchdown passes, they're going to
be They're going to be in the playoffs.

Speaker 2 (01:47:30):
Like my hope.

Speaker 6 (01:47:30):
My hope is thirty.

Speaker 7 (01:47:32):
My expectation is twenty five and better not be anything
less than twenty.

Speaker 4 (01:47:37):
What if you're like runs in ten though, you know,
like my.

Speaker 2 (01:47:41):
Passing yard points see this more evan pushback. My passing
yards is forty two hundred hope, thirty five hundred expectation,
and I think under three thousand, better not be.

Speaker 6 (01:47:53):
I got to have my expectation four thousand.

Speaker 7 (01:47:55):
I think in the seventeen game season, I need my
quarterback to play and throw over four thousand yards.

Speaker 2 (01:48:00):
Right, that's fair. And what about points per game allowed
and scored? Oh, Fred under fifteen? Right, remember that a
couple of years ago.

Speaker 6 (01:48:09):
I mean, let's say twenty seven game.

Speaker 2 (01:48:14):
So that's your hope for that's my no, that's my hope.

Speaker 6 (01:48:17):
No score, yeah, yeah, offensively twenty seven.

Speaker 3 (01:48:21):
I'm not going to go to thirty, But I mean thirty,
you know, that's twenty seven.

Speaker 6 (01:48:25):
That's still pretty high.

Speaker 4 (01:48:26):
I think that Mac Jones team was like twenty five
or twenty six a game exactly, So I would say
that that's probably.

Speaker 6 (01:48:33):
Like a lot of defensive scores.

Speaker 4 (01:48:35):
That's probably the hope is that it would be like, ye,
the same as that obviously look different. But yeah, ever
being realistic, expectation twenty twenty, No, it's got to be
at least twenty one and one.

Speaker 2 (01:48:49):
No, my expectation is twenty six twenty six. Expectation never
going to lose.

Speaker 4 (01:48:55):
That's a big number.

Speaker 6 (01:48:57):
This expectation is forty touchdowns. All right, Patriots, we'll see
us as not meeting expectations.

Speaker 2 (01:49:03):
If that's my expectations.

Speaker 4 (01:49:05):
Somebody that predicted them to go thirteen and four might
be right.

Speaker 6 (01:49:09):
I thought we were trying to.

Speaker 2 (01:49:13):
Okay, what is that those previous I don't know. Ed
in Florida writes in with a new direction in the
way the team is going, I think we should have
new game day music. Crazy train has run its course.
My suggestion would be enter Sandman. Does the group have
any thoughts? I love that, but that's that's copycat, right.

Speaker 7 (01:49:32):
You can't do Yeah, I'm all for what's changing up
because it's run its course.

Speaker 6 (01:49:37):
But we don't want to steal someone else's.

Speaker 2 (01:49:40):
It's hard.

Speaker 6 (01:49:40):
That's it's really hard.

Speaker 2 (01:49:41):
We wanted to tech come.

Speaker 6 (01:49:43):
Up with something that's different.

Speaker 3 (01:49:45):
Yeah, I like Welcome to the Jungle. There's just songs
that are just generic. I don't know, it's so it's
so hard. I think about them, the jungles of Celtics, right, Like,
I mean there's always there's like what five six songs
that everybody.

Speaker 2 (01:49:56):
Man Andrew Sam is a great song.

Speaker 4 (01:49:57):
But like as a Bostonian, like I think Mariano Rivera
and like you can't have that, like you can't be
taking stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:50:04):
From the air.

Speaker 7 (01:50:04):
I mean it's great, like that tradition is great. I
just think if you want, you need to start your
own tradition. Yes, I'm a big fan around I'm telling.

Speaker 6 (01:50:12):
You it's easy.

Speaker 7 (01:50:13):
No, but that's that's what the goal should be, is
to start your own tradition, write our own.

Speaker 6 (01:50:19):
Really kick ass intro song. It's like us playing music.

Speaker 2 (01:50:27):
Back on the field.

Speaker 7 (01:50:30):
Like it's like a big It's like a big band
era swing.

Speaker 2 (01:50:36):
You're down to the Patriots. We're gonna run all over.

Speaker 4 (01:50:39):
I'm gonna go on the run ball I'm pumped up
or you you can get a seal here, I'm gonna
run over in the.

Speaker 6 (01:50:49):
It is a great question.

Speaker 3 (01:50:49):
I think about it, like sometimes I'm listening to like
my you know, iPod on my music, Apple Music, whatever,
the m P three play my P three player, my
cassette tape.

Speaker 6 (01:50:58):
You know, it's a song to come on, like with
this be a good one.

Speaker 3 (01:51:00):
There's no like you can't come up with a new
hype song, like I feel like they already exist. It's
hard to go outside of the outside of the box.

Speaker 8 (01:51:06):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:51:07):
Well, it's got to get you right at the beginning.

Speaker 6 (01:51:09):
So anybody used Lose Yourself?

Speaker 2 (01:51:11):
I mean the Lions, Yeah, Detroit.

Speaker 4 (01:51:13):
I don't know if they use it, but like that's
kind of yeah, I can't.

Speaker 2 (01:51:18):
You got to have that recognizable, I like, but you
hear it.

Speaker 3 (01:51:21):
You know at the beginning of Metal the Store Ragnarok,
they used immigrant song by Let's up on a Little
But you know that's like that, yeah, you know that.

Speaker 7 (01:51:32):
I know he really has worked on his music in
the off season because I got both of.

Speaker 2 (01:51:37):
Them, well, like the Thorpe trailer use that, yeah for
their trailer, and it was really good.

Speaker 6 (01:51:43):
Yeah, it's great. That's a great pump up song.

Speaker 3 (01:51:45):
But you know again, like we're going back to the seventies,
Like there isn't like a modern song.

Speaker 2 (01:51:49):
We don't have.

Speaker 4 (01:51:50):
We don't do rock bands.

Speaker 6 (01:51:51):
Well, you don't do the seventies, says we know with Josh,
So we don't.

Speaker 4 (01:51:54):
We don't do rock.

Speaker 2 (01:51:54):
If you do want to use eminem, I would use
till I collapse.

Speaker 15 (01:51:57):
That's eminem.

Speaker 2 (01:51:58):
That's that is like I'm like, but like there's like
certain songs that you hear like Hotel California in the
moment I got to listen, Like there's one that I
love from the Hollys called Long Cool Woman Dress. Like
when I hear that song, crank it up, you know,
But I don't think that would work now to people.

Speaker 4 (01:52:17):
It's very disappointing the side note of music in general,
Like we don't have any of that.

Speaker 6 (01:52:23):
No, Like we can't use a distract.

Speaker 4 (01:52:25):
Right, Like it's I mean that would be cool, but
like we don't have any of that because like there's
other thing as bands anywhere, you know, like you guys,
it's it's a it's a point of contention for me
that like that I really thought about like we kind
of write like no bands anymore really, like you know,
I mean Green Day was a band, but like that,

(01:52:46):
that's like you literally have to go that far back
to find like an actual rock band. There's no bands,
Like there's no lot of bands like.

Speaker 2 (01:52:53):
We will never Dragons took over the scene.

Speaker 4 (01:52:56):
You will never have like a Mick Jagger like that
does doesn't like we don't have a Rolling Stones, we
don't have uh the who led Zeppelin? Like that stuff
doesn't exist.

Speaker 19 (01:53:07):
Like you got to go back to like like it's
like Taylor Swift, Yeah, exactly right, Like you don't know
who's in Taylor Swiss band.

Speaker 4 (01:53:20):
No it's not you know it's not it's not led Zeppelin,
it's Taylor Swift.

Speaker 6 (01:53:25):
I never thought of that.

Speaker 4 (01:53:26):
Yeah, it's it's something that I've thought about.

Speaker 2 (01:53:28):
A lot, I guess, like like even like Pearl Jam,
are they a band?

Speaker 4 (01:53:33):
Yeah, but like they're going back a little bit, you know,
Alex checking in what she said, uh like while you're
looking at that bill and San Diego says.

Speaker 7 (01:53:42):
Not that French Montana featuring Rick Ross, Drake and Lil Wayne,
there's a Rick Ross line that goes balling, balling, Like
I play for New England.

Speaker 4 (01:53:51):
That's true. Yeah, that was back up.

Speaker 2 (01:53:53):
Bill in San Diego says new Patriots song Somebody's Gonna
Get their Heads kicked in tonight by the Resilios.

Speaker 6 (01:54:00):
I've never heard it familiar, but I like the title
of it.

Speaker 2 (01:54:03):
Yeah, Someone's gonna get their head kicked in. Robert says,
Van Halen's right now now, like like, you gotta have
an edge to it.

Speaker 6 (01:54:16):
Alex says, use Panama. I you're gonna use van Halen Panama.

Speaker 2 (01:54:19):
I like Panama.

Speaker 4 (01:54:19):
But the kids these days are going to be like,
what is this music?

Speaker 7 (01:54:23):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:54:24):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:54:24):
Don't you just wish you could crack the code that
and be like, wow, they played this is their entry
song and no one's ever thought of something like that before.

Speaker 6 (01:54:30):
We always do a C.

Speaker 14 (01:54:31):
D C.

Speaker 3 (01:54:31):
And Metallica and you know bon Jovi, those bands back then,
Like everybody uses those songs.

Speaker 4 (01:54:38):
Need something new, There is nothing new. This is the problem.

Speaker 6 (01:54:43):
We've got to make it. We're gonna write it ourselves.
I got the AI I haven't working on. Evan has
returned from practice.

Speaker 4 (01:54:51):
Yeah that's a banger.

Speaker 6 (01:54:54):
It's a banger.

Speaker 2 (01:54:55):
The Patriots uniform, She says, Okay, how is about they
pick silver or gray and stick with that as a
complimentary color. So the helmet is the same gray or
silver as the pants. But how's about they don't go
back to the dynasty. Look, I do agree with the
modern twist of the dynasty with the cut, but I
do really like the more updated blueberry shade of blue.

(01:55:17):
Let's go forward, not back.

Speaker 6 (01:55:19):
Okay, all right, sure a lot of opinions.

Speaker 7 (01:55:23):
And Scott like the cut was a problem, Like I haven't. Yeah,
the uniforms remembers are all the same right around the league.
It's the same manufacturer.

Speaker 6 (01:55:33):
It's like subtle Yeah, well that's what I mean. It'd
probably be inevitable.

Speaker 3 (01:55:35):
But the subtle changes you went from, you went to
like the Reebok one that that Seymour is in right there,
to the Nike one that Brady's in right there.

Speaker 6 (01:55:43):
You see some almost afraid to turn around.

Speaker 7 (01:55:45):
I don't know if because I have to admit that
I don't notice the differences.

Speaker 2 (01:55:50):
There is a different cut, like you go back to
like the seventies when they had the big shoulder pads
and the and the you know them.

Speaker 4 (01:55:57):
Yeah, and it looks like my pop Warner, Like it looks.

Speaker 2 (01:56:01):
Like a comment is about to crush the earth. Scott
san Diego says the dropkick Murphy shipping up the Boston
cliche cliche.

Speaker 4 (01:56:10):
Yeah, I mean, like obviously, like the first couple of
notes of that are good, but I agree, well.

Speaker 2 (01:56:15):
Cliche Jack says eminence front by the Who.

Speaker 6 (01:56:20):
Why don't I know that?

Speaker 2 (01:56:23):
What's that?

Speaker 6 (01:56:23):
One's the end of.

Speaker 2 (01:56:26):
No, they've glorified it's just Devin in Toronto says, no bands,
terrible take just say you don't keep up with Rick
music anymore. Rick, I don't know what.

Speaker 4 (01:56:39):
Tell me, Tell me who who were the popular?

Speaker 2 (01:56:41):
My vote for entrance song is Blackout by Turnstile exactly.

Speaker 4 (01:56:46):
No one knows who that is.

Speaker 5 (01:56:48):
If you're gonna, you know, because we're boling in reverse
a great and no one knows who it is, Like
we're like your music official, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:57:00):
But I'm sitting here, So what are you talking because
I'm you're talking about Rolling Stones and he brings up
Turnstyle like so this is a modern band.

Speaker 7 (01:57:08):
But all right, so I'm gonna at the risk of defending,
what are we talking about? So don't you think if
if we're coming up with a song like this, it
needs to be universally known.

Speaker 2 (01:57:18):
So like they I disagree with that premise.

Speaker 6 (01:57:21):
Okay, I mean I would. I would think that.

Speaker 2 (01:57:25):
Song that's we should make? What like, why might I
find a lesser known band that has a really good
and make it universally I don't we got set a
new trend to get to work on that one.

Speaker 6 (01:57:38):
I just would feel like.

Speaker 2 (01:57:39):
If you total the Stooligans is on it. If you
want sixty.

Speaker 7 (01:57:42):
Thousand people to get jacked up before a game, I
don't think you're going to do it with a song
that they've never heard before.

Speaker 2 (01:57:48):
Yeah, unless it's amazing, I don't.

Speaker 4 (01:57:51):
Yeah, I don't's amazing you'd heard it.

Speaker 7 (01:57:53):
I don't think fifty eight thousand people in the stands
care about like Turnstile, Hardy. You can do that to Hardy. Yeah,
Hardy is a music like snob I like to call him.
But he's going to be able to listen to something
and say, wow, that's really good.

Speaker 6 (01:58:10):
Most people just listen to the songs that they know.

Speaker 2 (01:58:13):
Yeah, yeah, I'm not.

Speaker 6 (01:58:14):
Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (01:58:15):
We're tending to be a music officionado, but by no means.
But like you guys are naming bands like that are iconic.
All time great bands like no band in my in
my time on Earth has risen to those levels. That
was the only point I was trying to make.

Speaker 2 (01:58:31):
Yeah, yeah, Corey. Corey says that the pages need a
new song. My vote is of Wolf and Man by Metallica.
At what point did they put Carmena Burana in there?

Speaker 3 (01:58:40):
You know?

Speaker 6 (01:58:42):
You know that that like kind of a classical song, Right,
that's an interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:58:46):
Twister, multi talented.

Speaker 7 (01:58:50):
It's it's better than negative ducee though, I have to
say that musical dudes, musical deuce is better than negative duce.

Speaker 2 (01:58:55):
But angry Deuce is the best that will probably know
this one. Yeah, that's a good one. Very anthemy, it's
a very yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:59:02):
Which one's that word for track eighteen on the eminem.

Speaker 4 (01:59:06):
Show Track eighteen?

Speaker 6 (01:59:09):
Sure, it's not seventeen, it's.

Speaker 2 (01:59:10):
Eighteen, Say what you say? It's track seventeen. Sandstorm by
the Rude.

Speaker 4 (01:59:17):
Yeah, Sandstorm is like a like dubstep song.

Speaker 6 (01:59:21):
I wish I was writing all these down. I want
to listen to all of them.

Speaker 2 (01:59:23):
Iron Man from Black Sabbath I do love.

Speaker 3 (01:59:30):
I mean able to say he loves for whom the
belts are? Yeah right, No, those about the rock. Sorry,
those about.

Speaker 2 (01:59:36):
About wap by Cardi B.

Speaker 4 (01:59:39):
I don't know that love Cardi B. That that.

Speaker 2 (01:59:44):
I'm looking forward to that because she's going to come
to a game.

Speaker 4 (01:59:46):
Has to right the board pole.

Speaker 2 (01:59:50):
That was great, el Elle, says Evans. Saying that there
aren't bands anymore is one of the most insane things
I've ever heard. There are tons of bands, ones that
tour the world. Even Okay, I think I think we've jumped.

Speaker 4 (02:00:02):
I'm not saying that bands don't exist anymore. Like obviously
bands exist. But if I had to say to you,
like who is the band of my generation, I don't
have a great answer for it. That's all I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (02:00:15):
That's fair enough. All right, that's and that's the end
of the show.

Speaker 6 (02:00:18):
I gotta go graduate.

Speaker 2 (02:00:21):
I got things to do, all right. Thanks for listening. Everyone.
Have a good weekend. Anything on the docket that we
need to talk about, all right, Memorial weekends before lacrosse.

Speaker 6 (02:00:32):
Yeah, that's right, big weekend, lacrossere right here.

Speaker 2 (02:00:34):
I'll be here on Saturday. All right, We'll see you
next Tuesday.

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