Patriots Unfiltered 5/27: Recent OTAs, Offseason Topics, New Run Out Song for the Team?

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Speaker 1 (00:15):
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
The World's original podcast. Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered.

Speaker 3 (00:32):
The guy looks like a defensive end.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
I saw the video.

Speaker 1 (00:36):
I saw the video also, I saw I wonder how
we did that? That skinless chicken. Oh yeah, but I
can have.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
Which was the scout's name?

Speaker 1 (00:43):
But that talker Addington, that's a long snapper.

Speaker 4 (00:50):
Yeah, you named the long snap right.

Speaker 5 (00:53):
Listening to you guys talk about cinema verite and the
heart of narration and whatnot, I'm just like, man, so
happy Eric's not.

Speaker 2 (01:00):
Here we have a conversation.

Speaker 1 (01:05):
You imagine if Eric just heard me like sound like
a moron, like about talking about I think Evan just
needs to go to the scouting department.

Speaker 4 (01:12):
Keep trying to get rid of me.

Speaker 1 (01:15):
I just think you're missing out.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
You're like this guy knows what he's talking about.

Speaker 1 (01:17):
You're young, and like, see I'm too old. You're young
enough to reinvent yourself.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
If I could see you on the road in Kennesaw, Georgia.
Paul Paul breaking down offensive line, kit garden prospects and
when you're done downloading porns your laptop.

Speaker 1 (01:35):
That is what that is what you have to do
to be a member of the Scouting.

Speaker 2 (01:39):
I don't know. I'm just there's like a five year
runway that you have to have when you want to
make a whole sale uniform change. You're more effective being
a voice if you agree with it. I don't really
give a damn about the uniform. This is Patriots Unfiltered.

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Speaker 2 (02:01):
All right, welcome the Patriots Unfiltered. It is Tuesday here
at j Let's Stadium, the day after Memorial Day. I
hope everyone had a good weekend. It was nice for
the most part. The weather was okay, started a little rocky,
but it got better.

Speaker 1 (02:14):
Monday was beautiful.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
Yeah, Monday was beautiful. What did you do anything good?
I just got a bunch of stuff done.

Speaker 1 (02:19):
I golfed on Sunday.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
The weather was not great.

Speaker 1 (02:22):
I went to the Titanic exhibit in Boston.

Speaker 7 (02:24):
Just Titanic, some actual, uh real artifacts that they recovered
from the bike golf anything sink in.

Speaker 1 (02:32):
Still sinking, the.

Speaker 4 (02:33):
Part like the ship part, like the original.

Speaker 7 (02:37):
Yeah, they are like pieces of it. You could touch
the Titanic. You put your you know, your finger in
a hole and you kind of.

Speaker 1 (02:41):
Touch the Titanic.

Speaker 2 (02:45):
Did you go on?

Speaker 5 (02:46):
Did?

Speaker 7 (02:50):
There was some cool stuff though, because you when you
walk in, they kind of recreate the hallways and what
it kind of felt to look being there, and showed
some of the.

Speaker 1 (02:58):
Rooms and stuff.

Speaker 7 (02:58):
I've always had a little sousa for the Titanic, even
before the movie, of course, which touched us all. But
I love that book Night to remember when I was.

Speaker 1 (03:08):
That was that was so you always had a soft
spot for the Titanic. I like, I like, prior to
the movie being released, like you just had this thing like.

Speaker 4 (03:18):
A thousand people dying, you remember, Like it's just an ask.

Speaker 8 (03:22):
A big deal.

Speaker 1 (03:22):
I mean, the Titanic. You weren't aware of it. I'm
saying you had a soft spot for a tragedy.

Speaker 2 (03:29):
You know what it was.

Speaker 1 (03:31):
I can expand upon this, Okay.

Speaker 7 (03:33):
Doctor Robert Ballard discovered the Titanic when I was like.

Speaker 1 (03:38):
No, no, no, yeah, close friend.

Speaker 7 (03:40):
But he was based on the cave though, you know,
but that I remember that being a big deal. We
got national geographic of my house. When they discovered the
actual ship, they hadn't even found it. I think people
lose track of that. Like in the mid eighties they
they actually.

Speaker 4 (03:52):
Was why it was Nachio at your house.

Speaker 1 (03:55):
We've subscribed to the magazine.

Speaker 4 (03:56):
Because I thought, did he come to maybe this was
like they wanted to talk touching the Titanic and got it,
got it.

Speaker 1 (04:06):
But those cool cool exhibit, cool exhibit.

Speaker 7 (04:09):
It's I think it ends tomorrow, so sorry, I tell
you go check it out, but it's probably already gone.
A lot of artifacts and stuff they brought up and
recreations and what is that of science?

Speaker 8 (04:18):
No?

Speaker 1 (04:18):
Was it this castle that's kind of in the back bay.

Speaker 7 (04:21):
It's a dedicated space that you know, kind of your
way through. Yeah yeah, yeah, that that place right there, Yeah,
that castle, I know where it is.

Speaker 1 (04:29):
But but that was my That was it. And I
watched him across too here at Chi State over here
and watched the game. I didn't come over, but I
watched them on the television.

Speaker 2 (04:37):
On the television television. You know, did you have the TV?

Speaker 8 (04:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (04:40):
I was. I was rooting for BC a little bit,
but they they didn't. They kind of choked. Yeah, yeah,
back and forth. Was it was pretty good. They lost
all such silence appearance.

Speaker 7 (04:49):
I mean, every team to play here this week and
I feel like had I mean when they had a kid,
the corner kid was about to break the goals record
you did.

Speaker 1 (04:56):
Yeah, he did end up doing. He tied. I think
the single season record body is the all time and
SERI leader is and then the too.

Speaker 8 (05:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (05:04):
Oh it's not all divisions. It's all divisions and they
mischaracterized that. Then good games, So sighting it's a tough
one too.

Speaker 4 (05:11):
So what the talent level is? It gets better and better.

Speaker 2 (05:15):
And the size of these guys, yeah.

Speaker 4 (05:17):
It's it's unbelievable, but they're they're stick handling and their
ability to use both hands and like everything like its
just indible night and day. Compared to every like five years,
you feel like there's a bigger jump in.

Speaker 1 (05:29):
Yeah, the skills are I mean when you go from
watching high school games and bad high school games at
that and then you just watch the just the skill
level is amazing. Every single ground ball is scooped by
the first guy that gets there, like no, just boom.

Speaker 2 (05:46):
And goalies are good. Goalies are incredible, it really is.
And the pl is okay, But the college game is
so much better than the prow.

Speaker 4 (05:53):
It's a great product.

Speaker 1 (05:55):
Really. It was just like, I mean, the way the
angles of the state.

Speaker 2 (05:59):
You have no idea, just like he went behind his
back far corner, upper far corner. It was unbelievable. Anyway,
So that's a lacross. But we're here to talk football.
It's Duce, it's Evan, it's Paul, it's me, it's Alex
in the booth. Yeah, sporting is REVS hoodie because the
Revs had their podcast using the studio before us, the

(06:21):
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highly recommend it. So, uh, you know, just giving a
little plug to our sister team. Okay, so football, what
have we got any good Tomorrow?

Speaker 1 (06:38):
Do you have another access day tomorrow?

Speaker 2 (06:40):
Yes, we'll be out there tomorrow reporting and so we're
gonna move the show to two tomorrow Wednesday. This is
gonna happen all day. I'm gonna think today is Monday,
today is Tuesday. Get it in your head.

Speaker 1 (06:56):
I know it's hard, it's hard to jump right back
in after that off time. You're not going we will
have Catch twenty two get laid.

Speaker 4 (07:04):
Yeah, so it be two to four tomorrow, so we'll
have we'll have that for you.

Speaker 1 (07:09):
Yeah, so it's not really three weeks. I mean, this
is it.

Speaker 7 (07:11):
We'll have an o TA tomorrow, We'll have an ot
on Monday, then mini camp Monday, Tuesday, probably Wednesday, and
then that's it break see a training camp.

Speaker 4 (07:19):
So I know that's been a topic in the past
about changing up the off season schedule because it does
it does make very little sense that they have this
whole off season program and then everybody goes away for
five weeks and then comes back for training camp. Because
you're supposed to be getting in shape and like getting

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ready for the season, and then they send everybody back
on vacation. It just I don't know, it would make
more sense to started now and then have it.

Speaker 2 (07:48):
It is weird. Do you think that if they do
go to the eighteen game season, they because they've talked
about changing the dates for training camp and all that stuff,
do you think that they'll just make at one continuous
thing and have a longer training camp or what do
you think they'll do?

Speaker 1 (08:06):
That's a good question.

Speaker 7 (08:07):
I mean, you have the draft, of course, and then
you got to get the rookies in and kind of
teach them a little bit and so you would think
that some part of May needs to be dedicated to
getting the whole team together a little bit. But after that,
I mean, to Evan's point, to take June off and
then have a slow ramp up period in July where
it's not training camp yet, but you're here a few
days a week and you know your vacations then become

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June maybe instead too, But I.

Speaker 1 (08:31):
Don't know what the players would agree to. That's probably
the most.

Speaker 4 (08:34):
A lot of this is actually in the past and
it hasn't really been brought up a lot this offseason.
This was a last offseason thing, but the players seem
to be the ones pushing to do it the way
I'm talking about, to eliminate this part of the off
season program schedule and the gap in between the off
season program and training camp, and to go to one
continuous and they use other sports as an example. You

(08:56):
don't report to spring training in baseball and then leave
and then come back for the season. You report and
then you play all the way through. So I think
the players want to have a continuous start and stop
instead of having it be the setup at it.

Speaker 1 (09:12):
I guess two players would like to get rid of
all of this stuff correct, like because if that's not
really apples to apples, Yes, baseball teams report for spring
training and then they start the season. The football team
reports for training camp and then start the season. This
is something in addition to training camp, right, that the
other sports don't really do.

Speaker 4 (09:29):
I would say it would be like what Deuce was saying,
where there's like a three week ramp up period in July,
maybe like right after the fourth into training camp, and
then that would be like what this is basically where
you're in not in pads and it's light work and
you're just trying to get back in the swing of
things and get back in shape, and then you would
start training camp maybe after a couple of weeks.

Speaker 7 (09:50):
It wouldn't this be miserable for us though, Like it'd
be totally miserable that then instead of like, oh, you
get June on, but now in July you have to
go watch these like you know, light practices that nothing's
really actually happened.

Speaker 1 (10:00):
Ad So like not your July long because it stays
the same and it's optional for the players and it's
just like one day that you're you know.

Speaker 2 (10:06):
Let's move down to the car anyway, why do the
colleges do spring practices and spring football.

Speaker 1 (10:12):
I think it's more of a mental part of the game.

Speaker 2 (10:16):
Is football that much more complicated when it comes to
playbooks and everything where you need that period to just
get everyone acclimated, get them their playbook, and then you
send them away. Is that required?

Speaker 1 (10:27):
You know in college they do that for other sports too, though,
like in the off season, like you have fall baseball,
you fall ball. And I always thought it was just
because of the academic calendar, there was an opportunity to
sort of start while they're still in school spring practices
and stuff like that, as opposed to having the entire
summer when they're not in school taken up with training camp.

(10:50):
I know that they start training camp before they come
back to school, not that that's a huge priority.

Speaker 4 (10:57):
In the SEC, it's not as long as in NFL
training camp, But in spring football, they they're in pads
like that's that's full contact, Like that's full tilt. In
college like this obviously wouldn't be that this would be
OTA's but abbreviated and ahead of training camp so that
there's no breaks.

Speaker 2 (11:15):
So how would we feel if, like, I don't know
what the best way to do. How would we feel
if things started in mid June and rolled into training
camp in mid July.

Speaker 4 (11:24):
I think it would be terrible for us, but it's not.
Obviously nobody feels bad for us.

Speaker 1 (11:28):
Well, the question for me is is the product better?

Speaker 7 (11:31):
Can we get back a little bit of the physicality
and camp because it sounds like every time you hear
from modern NFL coaches that they've lost this and.

Speaker 1 (11:40):
More of a right. You know, they can do whatever
they want, right, that's a story. You know, within the
allotted time that they're in pads, Like you can't just
invent days that you can be in pads. There are rules,
but while you're in pad, you can hit. Yeah, you know,
just like most teams choose not to. Yeah, Mike would
just like to get back to Barbarian, you know, just

(12:02):
let's just get each other.

Speaker 2 (12:03):
Speaking of Barbarian, the Eastern playoffs in the NBA is
Ridiculous's random the day. No, they're just letting I understand,
let him play, let them play. It's they're letting too
much go. It's it's ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (12:20):
I think Jalen Brunson disagrees pretty much. The whole fourth
quarter last game because it follows.

Speaker 2 (12:25):
Because he can't play defense. That's his problem.

Speaker 1 (12:27):
But I'm just saying they're calling follows. You're saying they're
not calling.

Speaker 2 (12:30):
Any because he because he's so obvious with his pet,
you know. But anyway, anyway, that's just another topic, all right,
you know what? The topic, Speaking of topics, the topic
that got the most run after last Thursday show was
this runout music. Everyone has an opinion on what you know,
if they ever changed what the Patriots should have for

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runout music. And the problem is they send me these songs. Hey,
it's you know, d we will with you know this song,
and I don't know what it is, so I don't
know if it's good or not. It couldn't be the
greatest runout song ever. I just have the time to
look up all these songs.

Speaker 7 (13:05):
It's really hard to sell people on it. Maybe that's
why we keep going back to the same songs. Because
when you say something like ener Sam and everyone collectively
know just kind of what that is and can be
like that's a good song.

Speaker 1 (13:15):
But when you try to.

Speaker 7 (13:16):
Do something new and you throw a new song out,
maybe one person has heard of it, but more likely
no one's heard of it, and then you're instantly like.

Speaker 2 (13:23):
Nah, you know we were talking before the show of
the Chicago Bulls. That song was discovered by their pa
announcer in.

Speaker 7 (13:33):
A movie theater heard it come on and yeah, and
then a couple of years later put it together as
their intro.

Speaker 2 (13:38):
And I'm sure at that time no one knew what
that song was.

Speaker 1 (13:40):
Yeah, Alan Parsons project, right, but I still didn't know
what it was.

Speaker 4 (13:45):
All the suggestions though, are just like heavy metal stuff,
and it's like, well, that's that's what crazy train is like.
So I don't know. It's just if you're going to
change it, then it needs to be something at least
like a little bit different, well a different genre. It's
not necessarily different genre, but maybe just a different era
of that music.

Speaker 2 (14:05):
Like that that was the heyday of metal.

Speaker 4 (14:08):
Well, I know, I'm all for keeping it as the heyday.
I'm just saying, like I think that if you're just
going to change it to something that just sounds like
crazy train, it's like, well, it's already crazy train, so what's.

Speaker 2 (14:19):
The let's just taking enter the salmon that doesn't sound
like crazy train?

Speaker 1 (14:24):
Right, No, but that's not qualified to talk about that.

Speaker 4 (14:28):
But it's also not our song, Like there's heavy metal
songs you could have.

Speaker 8 (14:34):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (14:36):
It just kind of seems like it's redundant. Like at
that point, you're just changing it just to change it
if you if you want to change into something that's
you know, different genre or like that's from that's current,
so that it's more of a current song that I
can understand that, but let's not. We're not changing it
just to change it.

Speaker 1 (14:53):
It seems that I'm.

Speaker 4 (14:57):
Now Kendrick Lamar is an l A guy.

Speaker 2 (14:58):
I'm not.

Speaker 4 (14:59):
No, I don't want to do Kendrick.

Speaker 1 (15:00):
It's really hard. I can't summer. You can like produce
a new one.

Speaker 7 (15:03):
You could write, we're gonna write a hype song, or
we're gonna get a composer, like a movie composer to
do a whole thing.

Speaker 1 (15:10):
You know, it's hard to get John Williams to do it.

Speaker 4 (15:12):
John, Yeah, wh who's that that other guy?

Speaker 7 (15:17):
Bill Conti Hans Bill. That's a good one.

Speaker 2 (15:22):
He did Titanic speaking of right, see, like if you
were sitting the Batman's.

Speaker 1 (15:27):
Yeah, it's like he could definitely do it.

Speaker 7 (15:30):
It's just be a hard sell to say we're gonna
come out to something and then have them pitch ideas.

Speaker 2 (15:35):
And I don't know. I think the fans would welcome
a change. I think they're ready for a change. But
it's who knows what's good. It's so subjective.

Speaker 7 (15:44):
Well, I I know Rabel's mentioned he loves a c DC.
I mean, I still love for those about the rock.
I think that's a great one. That's kind of here, right.

Speaker 4 (15:51):
Yeah, they do that like it's it's not some of
them want to do it. I don't think it's an
entrance song for the Patriots, but is it like the.

Speaker 1 (15:57):
Kind of like a preamble to this.

Speaker 4 (16:00):
They definitely play that at some point in the lead up.

Speaker 2 (16:02):
Yeah, whatever it is, it's got from the opening note,
it's gotta grab you. You know.

Speaker 1 (16:08):
That's like that's like enter Sammy. You know, that's why
those songs are so he looks at me.

Speaker 7 (16:22):
I know, I feel I feel like I should be
better qualified to talk about this. I've told you guys
in the past.

Speaker 1 (16:26):
Everyone used to make fun of me in.

Speaker 7 (16:28):
College because I would go the long way to the rink,
Like you could drive right up to the Holy Cross
rink at the top of the hill, or you could
take the long way, and I went the long way
because I needed a couple of songs to get amped up,
you know, so I wish I.

Speaker 1 (16:40):
Had an or to offer.

Speaker 2 (16:42):
You don't know what.

Speaker 4 (16:44):
Songs are different. It's like black Betty.

Speaker 7 (16:46):
Yeah, you can't use the Hay song anymore either, Gary Glitter, He's.

Speaker 2 (16:50):
Yeah, no, I thought that ran out. I thought it's
it's still but no, before when whenever you played that song,
he would get royalty. But I think that's run out.
He does get royalty, and so now we can play it.

Speaker 1 (17:07):
And we just yeah, he's not getting the money anymore. Yeah,
so it's okay, he might not be. I mean it
always separate hockey, Hockey night.

Speaker 4 (17:19):
Yeah, hockey has its own genre. Black Betty, Black Betty's
a big Bruins one. They do that warm.

Speaker 2 (17:26):
Ups, Motley Crew, Kickstart my Heart.

Speaker 1 (17:31):
It's a great one. Yeah, it's a classic.

Speaker 2 (17:34):
But and then you have to decide what are we
doing around it, Like, what's the presentation? It's not just
the music. How are we presenting it? Would you guys
be in favor of the team being introduced as individuals
go back to that? Yeah, I'm against it.

Speaker 4 (17:50):
For it, you're for it because we go to all
the road games, and I think it's a moment, Like
it's cool. Now, granted, you need to have the star
power and the players to be a moment, But when
we were we always talk about this off the air
the Minnesota game and on Thanksgiving night and their pregame
presentation in Minnesota is fantastic, just in general, but they

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had just come off of beating Buffalo, and Buffalo and
Justin Jefferson just had that crazy game and when they
introduced Justin Jefferson as the last player on the field,
and like it was like that was a moment, Like
the place was just going bananas, like they were over
the top. Now you need to have a player of
that caliber that leads to that, But I mean it's possible.

Speaker 2 (18:35):
I don't know. It just seems to me like now
that we've had that tradition for over twenty years, if
you go back, you're settling, you're compromising. So Paul doesn't care.

Speaker 1 (18:47):
No, It's not something that I've ever really thought much about.
The I like Evans's suggestion, you know his reasoning. You know,
if you want to keep it for tradition. I'm a
tradition guy too, you know me. I don't really love change.
I don't embrace change a lot, you know. And it's
the same job for twenty six years, you know, So
I see Fright's side too. I've never really given it

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much thought.

Speaker 4 (19:10):
I just think whether a game thing, whether we like
it or not, like that that moment in the content moment.

Speaker 2 (19:16):
Well, it would be Drake may right, right, like.

Speaker 4 (19:18):
All of that is that's that's kind of the vibe
right now, is you know, let's obviously for good reason,
like let's prop up these guys and it gets the
place juiced up that you know, your your star player, the.

Speaker 1 (19:31):
Defense's Gonzales, right, it's the last guy, right, or somebody
that made the big play last week. They do that
in every other stadium though.

Speaker 4 (19:39):
Like I mean, I wouldn't. I don't know if it's
every stadium, but every stadium we've been to the last
couple of years.

Speaker 2 (19:45):
Did Yeah, I just I just I like that tradition,
and I like the message that it sends. It's football,
it's a team sport.

Speaker 1 (19:55):
Yeah, yeah, I can get with that.

Speaker 2 (19:57):
I don't know the other thing we I had a
lot of people writing in defense of Evan and his
thing about the bands.

Speaker 4 (20:05):
Oh I was actually expecting it to go the other way.

Speaker 2 (20:08):
Actually, people have actually done research and the numbers support
what you're saying.

Speaker 4 (20:12):
Wow, I was anecdotal research.

Speaker 2 (20:15):
So there's actually analytics. Yeah, not to be not surprising,
but there's analytics behind the take nice. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (20:22):
Yeah. I had some good conversations about this with some
people on the interwebs because some people were doing the
opposite of what Fred is saying, were coming at me
about it. A couple of you know, suggestions from my
era Blank Oneity two is one that I agreed with,
you know, Blank twenty two, Green Day Foo Fighters, Like
those bands are you know, I'm thirty two of those

(20:43):
bands are getting up there. You know that was twenty
years ago. Now that American Idiot came out like that,
that was a long time ago. You know, we don't
need some some modern.

Speaker 2 (20:52):
Stuff, well new stuff. One guy, he was writing about
the economics. He says a single vocal artist and a
laptop are dramatically cheaper than a multi person band. Compensation
scales much easier for one person than four or five.
Recording costs for a single voice track scales dramatically easier
than full recording for a multi instrument band, where for example,

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you might need five to nine very expensive microphones to
capture one drum kit, and then it's extremely cheap to
post that it blah blah blah blah. So economically they're
doing it this way because make more money.

Speaker 4 (21:26):
Right, So maybe like thirty years ago, Taylor Swift is
in the is a front person for a band, but
now they just say forget the band, We're just gonna
rit have her do it solo.

Speaker 1 (21:38):
So is the reasoning, And forgive me for being a
little ignorant, Mike, this might be a question for you.
I am serious about music, you know you are, mister entertainment,
very good. But would you not need like studio musicians,
you know, even for Taylor Swift? Or is it something
you can just do it all electronically? So if you
have a band, they would not allow their music to

(21:59):
be played artificially, right, But if it's just like that,
as simple as that, yeah you can.

Speaker 4 (22:05):
Computers can do it all now, I mean I started
when I was in school, like logic. Reason like those
software is that you can literally make beats with just
clicks of the mouse.

Speaker 1 (22:17):
You can get serious about but your music without anyone else,
just you. Yeah, it seems to defeat the purpose they
want to play with other people. It's the joy of
music and again everything that it's all about, like you know,
the seventies and eighties, like that's the best, the only
thing I know, Like all the the documentaries that you watch,
Like there's a great thriller documentary from Michael Jackson, but

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like they had tons of guys interviewed in that documentary
that played different stuff. You know, they're studio musicians, even
though it's Michael Jackson by himself, he's a solo artist.
But what about the young rock young rock with stealely
Dan and all that stuff. Yeah, all the total and
everybody right right total played everything.

Speaker 4 (22:58):
I do think the advantage of it though, is that
you can pretty like anybody can make music right. You
don't need to be like signed by like a record
label or something like that to have the bandwidth to
be you know, in the budget.

Speaker 1 (23:10):
To be That's the hope, you know, that's what I'm
hoping for.

Speaker 2 (23:13):
But knocking at the Door Jacob and Nashville is melding
Patriot's Hall of Fame talk with music. He says, enough
Patriots Hall of Fame hate, Everyone should be grateful that
the Patriots Hall of Fame is run the way it is,
even with minitary having to wait, take a step into
my field, the music business in the nonsense, that's the

(23:35):
rock and roll Hall of Fame. Quick game of these
four artists who was not in the rock and Roll
Hall of Fame Jeff Roteau, Iron Maiden, Motorhead and Ted NuGen.

Speaker 1 (23:48):
Oh boy, who's not Ted?

Speaker 2 (23:51):
The answers, none of them are in. None of them
are in, but run dmc, Dolly part and Madonna, Biggie
Small's Abbott and Louis Armstrong are.

Speaker 1 (24:00):
I would agree with that.

Speaker 9 (24:01):
Well, if it's supposed to be the rock and roll
Louis are should I see? I see them if if
it's a music I'm just thinking of a music fame, right,
I mean Biggie Small show there was Well, that's just
totally totally get his point Yep, he's right.

Speaker 1 (24:16):
If you go in rock and rolls strictly, those those
guys are all rock acts and the ones that are
all in or not. Yeah, that my music. The you know,
Biggie of course, it's probably the last, probably the last
time I really listened to that stuff.

Speaker 2 (24:35):
Jeff in Canada. I'd like to call out the guy
who wrote in from Atlanta saying that the Patriots fans
who are not also fans of the Celtics, Bruins and
Red Sox are fake Patriots fans his exact words, that's
another one that got a lot of play. That's ridiculous.
I'm as much a fan as he is. I've been
a fan since nineteen ninety one when they were a
dumpster fiver or franchise. If this shows. If this show

(24:57):
teaches us anything, it's that the fans live all over
the world. As less than half of the calls and
emails come from Great Boston. It's those out of market
fans who fill the bank of craft sports media and
keep shows like this going. Get over it that we
don't like your Celtics or Bruins. I agree with that.
I think nowadays people whatever you can want all over it.

(25:20):
It's easier to follow your team now than it was
when I was a kid. Yeah, you know right.

Speaker 7 (25:27):
The weird part is that, I mean, I grew up
around here and I don't remember really a lot of
Patriot fans. I like, you look at my yearbook and
it's all kids and like other teams stuff, Like I
had the best friend who loved the forty nine ers, like,
which is strange. You'd think now people be more apt
to follow teams that they can watch, but I guess
the bandwagon always runs strong.

Speaker 1 (25:46):
Why it was hard to follow teams when Fred was
growing up because he couldn't keep track of which one
he was rooting for at a given time. You want
to rip shot, you had to wait to see who
was in first place at the time.

Speaker 2 (26:02):
I had to wait for the Weekly Baseball Show with
Ted Kubiak.

Speaker 1 (26:06):
What was that guy, Tony Kuback.

Speaker 4 (26:09):
Yeah, Tony, he's a Koubiak now well Gary Kubiak Clint
Kuby at Gary.

Speaker 1 (26:18):
Yeah. I don't know if there's any I don't know
if there's any ten.

Speaker 4 (26:23):
I feel like living out of the state of Massachusetts,
like to that email, like you be a Patriots fan
if you want to be a Patriots fan. But I
just met so many people that were fans of teams
that they like had zero connection to. But to Paul's point,
we're kind of just bandwagoning, like the Cowboys or the
Lakers or the Yankees or like something like that. And

(26:43):
I don't know, like those people are not for me.

Speaker 2 (26:46):
David and Maryland a lot of forged in Foxboro talks. Still,
after hearing way more than seventy two minutes discussion of
a seventy two minute video I hadn't seen yet, I
was feeling a bit curmudgeony, like being around a bunch
of people talking about a movie you haven't seen. But
since Fred is my favorite media mogul, I put it
on as soon as I got home. Wow exclamation point.

(27:08):
In fifty years as a Patriots fan, I have never
seen as much insight into the sauceage being made. Sure
it could have used a bit of polish him in
the air and maybe a few captions, but I agree
that leaving in extra footage rather than cutting it down
was a good move. Two questions quick. One, Why the
two spellings for Foxborough or Foxborough h Ugh? Do we

(27:30):
need to find Eric to ask him? Well, yeah, technically
it's ough. You know, that's how the town was incorporated.
You know what's on the police car, Yeah, that's on
the welcome too. I think the only place that originally
was used O ROH was when we built the old.

Speaker 1 (27:48):
Stadium stadium Foxborough Stadium.

Speaker 2 (27:50):
Was yeah, And I don't know why they did that.

Speaker 10 (27:52):
I don't either, you know, so forget the ending the
h Yeah, there was enough for him on the probably
side like that.

Speaker 2 (28:03):
Next in the draft room, right before they pick Henderson,
there's a bunch of discussion about trading the pick. I
could swear they decided to trade, but Elliott goes with
the pick. I rewounded a couple of times but could
not figure out the exchange. Can one of you explain
that it did sound to me the first time that
Elliott over wrote it too, like he he said, no,
we're gonna pick.

Speaker 1 (28:24):
Yeah. Yeah, I had trouble. I know a lot of
people were trying to figure out who they were talking
to and what the most around.

Speaker 4 (28:30):
It was Houston. Yeah, and they some of the Houston
writers have actually come out and with their side of it.
They did some digging after watching for it from Foxborough.
So the Texans were trying to come up for Arianti Ersery,
and they ended up they were They wanted to come
up twenty picks originally to go from the fifties to
the thirties with the Patriots to take Ursery. They ended

(28:52):
up trading up ten spots in stick because the trade
didn't go through and they got Ursery. They still got him,
so that at least that's reported. That's that from the
Texans side, the trade was for Ursery.

Speaker 7 (29:05):
That's kind of the position the Patriots might have been
in had they not drafted Will Campbell, right like, just
desperately trying to get one of those last potential left
tackles there in the top of the.

Speaker 2 (29:14):
Second Dave says, mister Kraft should ask John Williams to
compose a short score. I don't know about that. His
style doesn't lend to getting crazy. You know, you gotta
amp people up, you got to. The other thing I
would change is the order of things. So and we're

(29:36):
not the only ones, but most stadiums they have this
runout and everyone gets site and then they have the anthem,
and then you lose all that momentum. They should do
the anthem. Then they should do the runout and go
right into the game so that everyone is still.

Speaker 4 (29:53):
But then the players are on the field for the
So what.

Speaker 2 (29:55):
They weren't They used to not always be on the field.

Speaker 4 (29:59):
I know that, So what, Well, that's a good point.
I didn't know that Fred.

Speaker 1 (30:04):
Monster fight Evan over the anthem.

Speaker 4 (30:05):
Now, what are you going to do about it, and
some people might frown upon them not being out there.

Speaker 2 (30:11):
And then David also says, what good problem with that?

Speaker 8 (30:17):
I do?

Speaker 2 (30:17):
Actually, I mean some people which UDFA will make the
fifty three man roster? Who knows?

Speaker 1 (30:23):
And Smith? No Jones, Jones, come.

Speaker 2 (30:26):
On and come on. And then he asked why did
why doesn't the NFL increase the roster size?

Speaker 1 (30:33):
Oh well, why why should you?

Speaker 2 (30:35):
I mean they kind of have with the practice squad.

Speaker 4 (30:38):
Now, yeah, practice squads beefy.

Speaker 2 (30:40):
I mean, I mean, how many guys do you have
to you.

Speaker 1 (30:42):
Know, it's in general, there's still I mean, I know
that everybody gets into the game per se, you know,
special teams, but there's a handful of guys every week
that really don't play as it is now with a
forty six man you know, game day roster.

Speaker 4 (30:58):
Yeah, I would probably be in favor of having all
fifty three guys active on game day. I never really
understood why they don't have that.

Speaker 1 (31:06):
I can give you an explanation for that. Okay, this
is from Bill Belichick, So maybe this isn't in question
now based on some of his decision making. You know
in the recent past. What are you talking about the
fifty three man with the inactives was sort of instituted
to allow teams to not have to make roster moves

(31:28):
when guys weren't available. So rather than put a guy
who might have a hamstring and have to miss a
game on IR and then you lose them, you have
him as one of the game day and actives. In
this way, you might play a game and you might
have two or three guys that are hurt, but the
other team you play might have five or six guys
that are hurt. Is in inequity there. You know, they
didn't want one team having fifty three guys available another

(31:49):
team only having forty eight guys of interest. So yes,
in general, if you know everybody has seven inactives or
six inactives depending on the quarterback situation and all that,
it's a level playing field again.

Speaker 4 (32:02):
But now with the practice squad elevations, you could.

Speaker 1 (32:04):
Probably there's probably weighs around it.

Speaker 4 (32:06):
Right, Like, if you have a guy on your fifty
three who's not going to be able to play because
of injury, then you can call a guy up from
the practice squad and he takes the.

Speaker 2 (32:13):
Book, right, And why the number fifty three? It seems random,
like why not fifty five or sixty fifty three?

Speaker 4 (32:20):
Took a question too.

Speaker 1 (32:22):
I never got that from Bill. Okay, it's fifty two
for a while, right then they just fifty three has
been since I've been in the league too, since since
I've been in the lake. I misremember ninety nine. It
was fifty three, I believe, Yeah, as long as I
can remember. Anyway, if it wasn't, it wasn't. Yeah, I
misremember it wasn't.

Speaker 2 (32:40):
Okay, Kyle from Pembroke. Since we're officially in the off season,
I thought i'd give you some Patriots would you rather?
For the twenty twenty five New England page, which who
would you rather have in their prime? This is for
this team twenty five Patriots, Rob Gronkowski or Randy Moss?

(33:01):
I would I would say.

Speaker 1 (33:05):
It's it's a tough it's a good would you.

Speaker 8 (33:09):
Rather?

Speaker 4 (33:10):
I mean, they're both. I just think Hunter Henry is
a little maybe a little bit better than what you
have a receiver, so you kind of already have a service.
Adding the outside receiver would be a little I mean
they're both great picks.

Speaker 2 (33:21):
But Teddy Bruski or Dante high Tower, High Tower, Yeah,
probably High Tower yeah, because we got Bobby Spillane.

Speaker 7 (33:30):
We got Bobby spilling I mean, I mean, honestly, I
think the game is a little different now. I just
I think ty Tower could play in anything.

Speaker 2 (33:37):
Thy Lad, Darrell Reeves or Stefan Gilmour, Tyler, Yeah, would
he because he was a little physical? Would he get
called a lot nowadays?

Speaker 1 (33:51):
I don't think anymore now than after that whole Carolina
Panthers Colts thing when is that like three Yeah, yeah, yeah,
when they cracked down and everything.

Speaker 2 (34:02):
Drew Bledsoe or Drake May right now, right.

Speaker 1 (34:06):
Now today, Yeah, I think May has a chance to
be better than him.

Speaker 2 (34:11):
But right now, Mac Jones or Bailey Zappy God.

Speaker 1 (34:19):
As much as a painsman, I have to say Mac Jones.

Speaker 2 (34:22):
Danny Amendola or Jacoby Myers as long as he doesn't
get hurt. Yeah, Vince wilf Work or Richard Seymour. Also,
if the runout song has changed, it should never It
should be never Gonna Stop Me or Dragula by Rob Zombie.
Though I don't think we should change it. So there's

(34:45):
one person so doesn't.

Speaker 1 (34:47):
Yeah, there's a handful of people that don't want it changed. Huh.
Just fine.

Speaker 4 (34:50):
I like that.

Speaker 1 (34:51):
I like, is there some different one? What is it now,
Crazy Crazy Train?

Speaker 2 (34:54):
Ozzy?

Speaker 4 (34:56):
Well, it actually was the Crazy Training remix last year
Let's go Crazy Train.

Speaker 1 (35:02):
Yeah. I didn't like that.

Speaker 4 (35:03):
Cycle a little modern twist.

Speaker 1 (35:04):
Yeah, but it's just it didn't not you know, like
Crazy Train has kind of that build, and I don't
know that the whole build of the remix of it
just felt off to me, like it's Fred's thing of
wanting to like build up to you know, that moment.

Speaker 2 (35:16):
Yeah, I don't think. I mean Ryan situated, He's for
a note, he says. I can't even begin to fathom
why anyone would want to change the Runout music. Last
week it was mentioned that you have to have a
song that gets to the enter Sandman level. To me,
the only way intro music can get to that point
is longevity. Oh Fortuna into Crazy Train is absolutely perfect

(35:37):
and sends chills down your spine once the lights go out,
and that first Oh Fortuna note hits changing it and
I think they did last season would just reset that cycle.
Ps add me to the list of running Out as
a team. I love the show. Keep it up.

Speaker 1 (35:54):
Yeah, yeah, I'd go back. I like the what is that?
That one?

Speaker 4 (36:09):
The music talent?

Speaker 1 (36:11):
I do like crazy Train, I always and I've always
liked it. I mean, if it's time to change it,
I'm you know.

Speaker 2 (36:16):
The first time I was introduced to that song was
Conan the Barbariou.

Speaker 7 (36:21):
See, I like, I will say that the I think
it's the Anvil of crom Is the theme song of
co Conam.

Speaker 1 (36:27):
But I'd be like, I do that one. That's a
great one too, a lot of drums and stuff. You
want to go classical Conan sometimes you do.

Speaker 2 (36:34):
You never watched No, Paul doesn't like the action movies music.

Speaker 1 (36:40):
There's a lot that's really not true. Like I watched
Gladiator yesterday.

Speaker 4 (36:46):
Because is not good.

Speaker 11 (36:47):
Huh.

Speaker 1 (36:48):
You've ever been to a Turkish prison? Not that glad.

Speaker 2 (36:53):
I hardly know where.

Speaker 1 (36:54):
Yeah, there's a I have a weird uh gap in
my sort of eighties movie thing, and it's Arnold movies.
I haven't really seen any of them. And it wasn't
like anything in like intentional, just kind of that was.

Speaker 4 (37:10):
I was not a big Arnold guy either.

Speaker 2 (37:13):
I like Kindergarten, cop po po.

Speaker 4 (37:16):
Cock Yeah, big big slize.

Speaker 1 (37:20):
Yeah, that's a great one. That's a classic.

Speaker 4 (37:21):
Sliced alone better than Arnold, so fact.

Speaker 2 (37:27):
The loan versus I'll take I'll take Arnold.

Speaker 1 (37:30):
I mean the dramatic though, so Lee's got a dramatic
side to whom.

Speaker 4 (37:34):
Arnold has never made anything close to Rocky So I just.

Speaker 1 (37:38):
That's true that even the first ram dramatic.

Speaker 4 (37:41):
And Rambo was fantastic.

Speaker 7 (37:43):
Then he went full like Schwarzenegger Action heroin too, but
really one skins Chicken a think piece.

Speaker 2 (37:49):
What I mean?

Speaker 4 (37:49):
What is like depressing, like post traumatic stress? Everything, It's
like actually like good soft body backs, Murdoch love it.
The speech to its to better get some all right?

Speaker 2 (38:02):
Eight five five past five hundred is the st long line.

Speaker 1 (38:05):
I love us as much as we love it.

Speaker 2 (38:10):
Sorry, it's okay.

Speaker 1 (38:11):
You could go into the Rocky four if I could.

Speaker 4 (38:16):
He's wearing the American flag.

Speaker 1 (38:19):
Fuse can change.

Speaker 7 (38:21):
Schwartznager never had a soundtrack like Rocky four either, No,
you know, just bangers, just the top the bottom stallone
vincel instrumental didn't matter.

Speaker 1 (38:31):
It's awesome.

Speaker 4 (38:31):
Hearts on fire so good.

Speaker 7 (38:35):
Maybe we could get Vinced the Cola to put an
out music for us. So I don't even know what
that is he did training Montage, He did war the
instrumental from Rocky four.

Speaker 4 (38:44):
When he when he lands in Russia on the runway
and they're.

Speaker 1 (38:48):
Just hearts on fire.

Speaker 4 (38:49):
Yeah, what so good?

Speaker 2 (38:55):
Paul immediately.

Speaker 4 (38:57):
Falsetto very good. I can't sing sorry Arnold that I.

Speaker 1 (39:05):
Love Arnold, I mean, but still still one's got a
wide range of conan terminator, Terminator, even the comedy ones,
some of them later like I saw True Lies.

Speaker 4 (39:19):
It's pretty good Batman, Yeah, of course, Oh he was
terrible in that.

Speaker 1 (39:24):
My point.

Speaker 4 (39:24):
Stan would never mail it in like that.

Speaker 1 (39:27):
Dibra.

Speaker 7 (39:28):
Yeah, I mean you only mentioned it is the disease
and I'm the cure.

Speaker 2 (39:33):
I think I think it.

Speaker 1 (39:35):
Was a Cobra.

Speaker 2 (39:35):
So there's a story. There's a story that I heard
on one of Paul shows. They were talking about it,
and actually it might have been on Stern. So, you know,
they were the rivals. It was, you know, those they
were the two action guys. And for a while Schwarzenegger
was beating him in the in the box office. He
was making more money, and uh, there was I think

(39:56):
it was the Cobra script and Schwartzenegger hated the script,
but he got it out there. That he was really
really considering that script and and uh for Stallone was like,
so he found out, so he said give me that
script and he said I'll do it and it just tanked.

Speaker 1 (40:14):
Well it worked out for Stallone. He got to do
it with Bridget Nielsen, who did Rocky Forward. I think
they got married after that. I liked that great for him.
I thought the bad guy Colbert.

Speaker 7 (40:24):
Was great and then he did like the they do
like that was what Satanism was a big thing, you know.
I was like, you gotta fight the Satanists and they
all had their their axes and they ching they'd stand
on the story.

Speaker 1 (40:33):
It was scary. The bad guy in Colbert was legit.
He was freaky looking.

Speaker 8 (40:36):
Dude.

Speaker 1 (40:37):
That guy scares me. He wore like a like a
panty scared me.

Speaker 4 (40:41):
I love how he just made it a good thing
for Sylvester Song because he.

Speaker 1 (40:44):
Wrote again, it's a good thing for Salon and all
of a sudden it's a great it's a great to
continue working with his wife.

Speaker 2 (40:52):
It's a personal you know, maybe not didn't talon what
about women action film barbed Wire to see Barbara.

Speaker 1 (41:03):
Love what Pamela Anderson is doing now, she's like all
no makeup. Now she goes out. She looks great. She's
she looks great personally.

Speaker 4 (41:10):
I think the best female action movies Kill Bill.

Speaker 2 (41:15):
Good one. That's a good one.

Speaker 4 (41:17):
You got one, and both of them are fantastic.

Speaker 2 (41:20):
That was an excellent one.

Speaker 1 (41:22):
Is that Sonya that was kind of in the Schwartzenegger
we're talking female.

Speaker 2 (41:30):
But are you guys john Wick fans, you're going to
see the new one?

Speaker 4 (41:35):
John Wick is like modern kill Bill to me, right,
like instead of swords, we're fighting with guns now for
the most part. But yeah, very good movie.

Speaker 2 (41:41):
But there's one now where what's it called the Well,
it's not it's a woman. He's in it, but only
as a bit part.

Speaker 4 (41:48):
Yeahea, his story John Wick story is over.

Speaker 2 (41:52):
Yeah, but this is back in time and is a
female John Wick.

Speaker 4 (41:55):
I love all the John Wicks.

Speaker 1 (41:57):
Yeah, I've never John Yeah.

Speaker 4 (42:00):
See, I was actually watching John Wick three, like and
it's one of those movies I can watch for like
twenty minutes and I know what's happening, Like you have
to watch the whole thing.

Speaker 1 (42:08):
The dog dies right like that.

Speaker 2 (42:09):
That was it one. It's tough, but actually I thought
that's why I watched it. The weakest of all of them.

Speaker 1 (42:15):
Yeah, all right, maybe I should have jumped in on
a little, uh.

Speaker 2 (42:18):
Stan and Poughkeepsie. What's up? Stan?

Speaker 5 (42:22):
Hey you guys hear me a good Yeah?

Speaker 12 (42:26):
So I just wanted to ask Christmas salutes to Alex
Ronkonkrev City. And I wanted to ask is the far
Post coming back on the studio as more of like
a regular thing?

Speaker 5 (42:36):
Do you know anything about that? Friend?

Speaker 1 (42:37):
What did he say? What the far Posts talking?

Speaker 2 (42:42):
Yeah? They just recorded one today, awesome.

Speaker 12 (42:47):
And then I also wanted to ask full if he
knew about the Duke Stadium mister Kraft.

Speaker 5 (42:52):
Is trying to get in effort.

Speaker 12 (42:53):
Would that be lost on him?

Speaker 2 (42:56):
Yeah? I think I think it's the Perilla family that's
holding it up.

Speaker 1 (43:00):
Carry I can promise you that it's not not our fault. Yeah, No,
that's it's funny. I was actually with the mayor of
Everett last week, who but I did not. I did
not bring up the stadium to them. I think it
was appropriate, like we're going to get this doneal one.

Speaker 2 (43:16):
No, like you said, it's not Everett that's the problem.

Speaker 1 (43:19):
It's not Ever. It it's Boston.

Speaker 2 (43:20):
Yeah, thanks, Stan, But I you know, we'll see what happens.

Speaker 4 (43:23):
It's a tough like someone that lives in that area.

Speaker 1 (43:27):
They're worried about traffic.

Speaker 4 (43:28):
It's already it's already a corridor like it's al and it's.

Speaker 1 (43:32):
It is hard. It's tough, hard area to navigate. What
about the Celtics. I was reading something that they might
consider getting out of.

Speaker 2 (43:39):
It, but that's ten years down the road.

Speaker 4 (43:41):
But that's in the same cat like, it's a tough spot.
I understand the idea. And obviously they have the Encore
like there as well, and it would be kind of
like an area that they could make up there between
the Encore and the stadium, but there's really only one road.
The Encore is on the main road and then that's it,
like there's really no other way.

Speaker 2 (44:02):
What about public transportation?

Speaker 4 (44:03):
Is not a silver line, but it's not good.

Speaker 1 (44:05):
They would I think part of the project would be
to put something in. And they also have sort of
encouraged like the water taxi, yeah from from you know,
from the city obviously to come over, which would be
you know, yeah, I think viable.

Speaker 4 (44:20):
It's kind of cool. People did it, but drinks. The
concept of the stadium is a it's a great. It
would be a great venue to have, Like, it'd be
a great idea. It just the infrastructure just isn't there
to support.

Speaker 1 (44:33):
Yeah, it'd be it'd be a challenge.

Speaker 2 (44:36):
Okay, how's the Encore doing?

Speaker 1 (44:38):
Is doing very well?

Speaker 13 (44:39):
Is it?

Speaker 2 (44:40):
Yeah? I've never been there.

Speaker 1 (44:41):
It's a nice spot, it's yeah, it's worth it's worth
a trip.

Speaker 2 (44:45):
It's expensive, yeah, yeah, like the restaurants everything, Yeah, it's everything.

Speaker 1 (44:49):
If you want to play, you want to play the tables.
It's like the minimum minimum minimums are higher, especially if
you go on like a weekend. Yeah, fifty is like
the least you're going to see. It's tough.

Speaker 2 (44:59):
Yeah, I was.

Speaker 1 (45:00):
I was putting minimums up that were a little bit
more than I was comfortable putting.

Speaker 2 (45:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (45:04):
Help. I end up doing usually just breaking gone, get out,
break even.

Speaker 2 (45:09):
That's great.

Speaker 1 (45:09):
Usually break even and get out because I get too
a scared. I'm a scared.

Speaker 2 (45:14):
Matthews and Arizona. What's up, Matthew. Matthew calls all the
way from Arizona and then he's not manning his phone.
What's up, Matthew?

Speaker 5 (45:29):
Hey, how's going? Hey doing good?

Speaker 4 (45:33):
So my question.

Speaker 5 (45:35):
Is do you see any parallels between Chuck Fairbanks and
Steve grimbleban to like the brabel in May.

Speaker 2 (45:44):
The dynamic Chuck Fairbanks and Grogan.

Speaker 1 (45:48):
No, yeah, not really. And I would hope, I mean,
I don't want to be disrespectful here, but I would
hope Drake May is a lot better than Steve Grogan.
But also I think up Fairbanks built at all him.
He was the g he was, He was the one guy.
And I don't think Mike Grabel is being asked to
do that.

Speaker 2 (46:07):
At least not yet. No, yeah, no, Now do you
do you bring up Grogan because he was a running
quarterback for his time or like why why that analogy?

Speaker 5 (46:19):
Well, I guess in terms of the dynamic you know
with Brogan, the way that he ran more earlier in
his career, more specifically the seventies Patriots. I just I
was looked at old say to him and uh, somebody
gets similarities and how he scrambled like May and you
know Grogan and heard uh fair Banks and more like
Tubbs males kind of guy.

Speaker 2 (46:38):
Yeah, And now I hope I don't. I don't see
a similarity there. I hope Grogan, I mean, made doesn't
end up in a neck role.

Speaker 1 (46:46):
Well, here's where you know. And I love Steve Grogan,
and he used to be around the organization a lot more.
He's a little older now, so I really enjoyed getting
to know him a little bit. But I would, you know,
sort of the dirty secret that people don't really ever
want to bring up because he's such a beloved figure,
is those seventies teams failed to meet expectations largely because

(47:08):
they didn't have good enough quarterback play. He threw more
interceptions than touchdowns on a consistent basis. He was a
good player, and he was as tough as you know,
I know why everybody loves him. Yeah, you know, tougher
than a three dollars stake. But when it came time
to win a game that they had to win, he
would throw six picks in San Francisco in a game
that they had to have against the terrible team. You know,

(47:31):
That's what I remember most of that era. Now, he
could run. He played in an era where quarterbacks had
much more responsibility. He called his own plays at times unbelievable.

Speaker 2 (47:43):
Gamer.

Speaker 1 (47:44):
He could play, but he was so inconsistent, and that's
what held those teams back. They were wildly talented teams
that never seemed to win anything. Yeah, that was one
of the craziest things.

Speaker 7 (47:52):
My takeaways from watching the eighty five team is that
exact thing. When Easton was in to start the season,
Grogan was signaling in the him, but then when Grogan
went in, he just called this colla. I mean, and
you're watching the coach just sit there watch him so much.

Speaker 1 (48:08):
This is interesting now you bring this up now. Now,
in fairness to Grogan, by the time we get to
eighty five, he's in the league ten or twelve years,
so he had suffered a lot of injuries at that point.
But you went back and watched every game as you're
doing prep work for this nineteen eighty five retrospective. Were
going to do a podcast series again in a feature
for the yearbook, And what did you say to me

(48:28):
about the offense?

Speaker 7 (48:29):
Oh, run, run, run, basic punt, punt, punt until the defense.

Speaker 1 (48:35):
See if they could force a turnover, you know, and
then you know, that was basically what the offense was.
They couldn't move the ball. Whether it was Easan or Grogan,
it was both.

Speaker 7 (48:44):
I talked to John Hannah last week too, and he's
just some of the games you're like, they're just running
into a brick wall for three quarters and then in
the fourth quarter, and I asked, you know, Hannah about it,
and he said, yeah, you get to the fourth quarter,
they didn't want to play anymore, and then that was
when we all and you look at even the stats,
it's like all their points are scored in the fourth quarter,
Like they can't do anything for three quarters, but when

(49:04):
the other when the defense finally gets tired out, then
they finally start, you know, opening up some gaps for
Collins and for James, and you know, it's it's just
it's totally different, but in some way, it's kind of
the same.

Speaker 2 (49:13):
When I look at.

Speaker 7 (49:14):
The basic like what they had to execute to win games,
and those three road playoff games that they won, it
was we got all the takeaways, we capitalized on those takeaways,
we got an early lead, all the things we talk
about with those old Patriots teams the last couple of years,
where it has to be exactly the way they needed
to win the game. And then when they got into
that Super Bowl and they had a little bit of

(49:35):
a chance early on, but once it started snowballing on them,
that they they couldn't they couldn't climb back and go
toe to toe with teams offensively.

Speaker 2 (49:42):
No way. David Maine says, I like music too, but
I'll guess I'll be the one to bring up football.
Who do you guys think will be the team captains
this year?

Speaker 1 (49:53):
That's a good question that we're bringing up football.

Speaker 2 (49:55):
Yeah, I hope Drake.

Speaker 1 (49:57):
I thought it was interesting. I think did Res brought
up Harold Landry?

Speaker 2 (49:59):
Maybe?

Speaker 1 (50:00):
Was that was that one of his that he am?

Speaker 4 (50:02):
I Rabel guy.

Speaker 1 (50:03):
It would make sense, Rable guy.

Speaker 4 (50:05):
I would think it would be a lot of those
types of guys, right, you know Landry Splain, maybe even Splain,
you know guys that Morgan Moses like, guys that are
brought in by Rable Moses could be one to lead
the charge here.

Speaker 1 (50:19):
And there's no there's no Patriot captain's left?

Speaker 2 (50:21):
Right?

Speaker 1 (50:21):
I mean Peppers from that was it technically Dugger even
though he kind of replaced right right? It was either
Peppers at Bentley.

Speaker 2 (50:31):
The question is how will they be selected? Will it
truly be a team vote or will it be Vrabel
you know, I don't know, or a combination thereof.

Speaker 1 (50:42):
Yeah, which I think he usually is is usually a combination.

Speaker 2 (50:46):
Thoughts I'll have a nomination committee and then they'll open
it to a fan.

Speaker 1 (50:50):
Thoughts on captains useless you don't like I mean not
that I don't like him. I think leadership on your foot,
on your team, any sport, but football especially I think
is extremely important. I don't care who the captain is.
I just do good leaders.

Speaker 2 (51:04):
Okay, but by giving them that title, it gives I
need a little bit more support.

Speaker 1 (51:10):
Yeah, I'm not anti captain. I'm not like Bill. I
can't put a c on, you know, on the guy's
chest because you know, we played football for fifty years
without that. No, I have no problems recognizing your captains.

Speaker 4 (51:21):
Yeah, I don't think captains are kind of useless, and
I think that the players would largely agree with that.

Speaker 1 (51:26):
But yeah, okay, I think because you need a strong locker.

Speaker 4 (51:29):
Room because I don't think it's like captains when you're
growing up, like in high school football or high school
sports like, so that is different to me than these
are professional athletes.

Speaker 2 (51:38):
I yeah, but from an organization, from a locker room
organization standpoint, it's good to have those people. Like you
need to organize the meeting, you talk to the captain,
you need to get something done, you talk to the
captain and then they get it done. So it's like
your go to person who has been given that time.

Speaker 4 (51:56):
There's some truth to that, and they have the captain's
meeting still at the coach where the coach kind of
it's the temperature of things and that there's value in that.
But there's also in my time on the beat, there's
guys that were clearly the leaders of the team that
weren't wearing the sea for politics or you know, some
other reason. Most likely I mean literal politics. I mean
like a team in politics.

Speaker 1 (52:17):
Like they didn't go like to the OTAs when Bill
wanted them too, right, they didn't win that, they didn't
win the vote that year.

Speaker 4 (52:24):
You know, when he was here. You know, just to
use a recent example, like Matthew Judon was the Patriots
for a period of time and in you know, twenty
twenty one, twenty twenty two is his team and he
was never a captain, you know, like Joy Demon was
never a captain.

Speaker 2 (52:41):
Was McGinnis never a captain? Paul?

Speaker 1 (52:44):
I think so, but I don't. Yeah, that's like it's
not something that resonates with me. Like I couldn't tell
you who the captains were.

Speaker 7 (52:50):
I feel like you write that, I'd write that article
at the beginning of the year, and then you kind
of forget forget. But I think like to the point
there is like yeah, there, like there is some element
of just the functionality of the team, Like the captains
have to meet, they have to have leadership committee that plans,
you know, like there's that kind of thing. But like
overall for the the guys, like it doesn't really matter
to a pro football team who the guys.

Speaker 1 (53:10):
That's why I see what Evan's talking about, Like when
you grow up and you're playing sports, like the captains
were not necessarily just because they were good leaders. It's
like a high school football team. The captain's running. Captains practices, right,
the captains making sure everybody's way they're supposed to be
when it because he's doing all of that communication work
because that's part of high school sports. You know, that's

(53:32):
what captains do, right, you know when you're growing up now,
I think it's just it's just important to have a
strong locker room, like and if you have bad captains,
maybe that's part and parcels. So maybe you're right, maybe
the captains have more to do with a strong locker room.
But like I looked at guys like Devin mccordy and
Matthew Slater, like those guys were leaders, whether they had

(53:56):
a captain or not, Like they were going to be
guys that did things the right way and guys followed them,
you know what I mean? Yeah, selling football too, because
in hockey you need like to have a seat to
talk to the ref like there's an actual functionality to it,
like in general, the quarterback like on offense, right, and
quarterbacks not always.

Speaker 2 (54:15):
A basketball It's not like it's not a big deal.

Speaker 4 (54:19):
A lot of teams don't even have one.

Speaker 2 (54:20):
Yeah yeah, and then baseball the same thing they don't have.

Speaker 4 (54:25):
But he had the only time I you know, so
now I he said in a press conference recently, and
everybody was kind of like, wait what And I guess
Jalen Brown is technically the captain of the Celtics. I
didn't yea and yeah, and he like just like kind
of in passing mentioned it and was like, yeah, you know,

(54:46):
Paul Pierce was. They gave him the captaincy because KG
came in and KG was a leader like that guy was,
and so they called him the captain because he was
the longer tenured Celtic and it was kind of this
uncomfortable thing, and so they made him the captain.

Speaker 2 (55:01):
He was the truth.

Speaker 4 (55:02):
He was a captain and the truth.

Speaker 2 (55:04):
Oh a chucker, it's the truth, Okayn Cody says, how
about a little change to the runout before the music stops?
You here, Captain America, yell Avengers, music stops, all the
lights go out, and then you hear assemble. Now absolutely,
I think Matt Morrell sent that in. Actually all right,

(55:25):
we're going to take a break. More call friends.

Speaker 8 (55:28):
Yeah.

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Speaker 8 (57:19):
Right, Who's first, don't be shy now after the factors
you've seen it.

Speaker 2 (57:23):
You're working as well and some of the young guys.

Speaker 1 (57:25):
How much pride you taking that and what's your message
to that.

Speaker 8 (57:28):
I think it's the biggest thing.

Speaker 3 (57:29):
You know.

Speaker 8 (57:29):
I've been blessed to be under a lot of great tackles.

Speaker 15 (57:32):
You know, I played with Trent Williams for five six
years and just being able to learn from him and
just take it on the field, you know, it's vital
because you know, being a vet that's played twelve years
and being able to sprinkle those little things to those
guys to see them, you know, use them in practice
and get better and just.

Speaker 8 (57:48):
Build a you know, build a tool a toolbox for themselves.
You know, it's it's good for everybody specifically. What do
you think about will so far Man.

Speaker 15 (57:57):
Is the way you'repproaches the game man. He's eager to learn.
He asks questions every day. He's like, bro, can we
get some sets and just talking football? You know, his
lockers right beside mind, so we get to talk about
football all day.

Speaker 8 (58:09):
And obviously he's a stub man.

Speaker 15 (58:10):
He's played great football in college and so now he's
just trying to figure it out where like, you know,
every week you're going against somebody that has a guy,
so you know, just fine tuning, not trying to change stuff,
but just fine tuning the things he's learned in college
and taking him to the NFL and just on on
the field and getting challenged every day.

Speaker 4 (58:28):
Or I did see you, un if Is that just past?

Speaker 15 (58:34):
Yeah, you know, just pacing things out, you know, obviously
you know, I feel great, you know, coming back from
the knee surgery and stuff like that, but just getting
acclimated getting out there running around with the guys. But
I'm happy to put that helmet on and put that
jersey on and get out there and running with the fella.

Speaker 8 (58:45):
So it's been good.

Speaker 2 (58:46):
How long the sign time Pork was in you to
be here for these workouts?

Speaker 5 (58:49):
Oh?

Speaker 8 (58:49):
Really really important.

Speaker 15 (58:50):
And obviously we got a young group, you know, we
got a young office line, and so just being able
to get around them, you know, create that brotherhood, that
chemistry you know, and uh, and just bring him along
is very is very important.

Speaker 16 (59:01):
What kind of things are you doing to you know,
I guess organically create a brother There's some new cases
and bread and in the draft.

Speaker 8 (59:10):
Well, you know, just number one. You know, we got
we got a young room.

Speaker 15 (59:13):
You know, we got a lot of guys that's that's
trying to figure it out themselves. So just being a
voice in that room bring them along, whether it's like
you know, us going out to dinners you know, uh,
you know, or just you know, staying after after practice
when everything is done and watching film together and just
just spit all everybody's ideas, you know, I know, you know,
Garrett's been phenomenal for the room as a veteran center
as long as the West as well. You know, I

(59:33):
played with Wes before, and so when you bring those
knowledgeable players into one room and we can sit down
and just you know, just share football and what we see,
you know, and just being able to talk about it,
right because like obviously my eyes might be a little
bit different than Will's and the younger guys because I've
been playing for for for.

Speaker 8 (59:50):
A long time.

Speaker 15 (59:51):
So just being able to you know, spit that knowledge
to them and help them see what I see to
bring them along as as vital.

Speaker 11 (59:58):
More practice about how this a challenging time to hear
for the offense und because there's no contact, you know,
just can't do everything yes, this time, you're what's the
most important thing for an offense? I want to make
you guys out of work.

Speaker 15 (01:00:12):
We were just talking about it just a couple of
minutes ago over there, you know. You know, office line
is a unique position because in the offseason you're training
against a bag all day, you know, and then you
got to go out there and block a live, moving object,
and so it takes a it takes the guys a
little bit time to get acclimated to the speed and stuff.
But you know, really just coming out coming out here,
you know, learning the plays, being in the huddle, listening
to Drake, seeing what Drake c's, everybody being on the

(01:00:35):
same the same cord, and just playing football and having fun.

Speaker 8 (01:00:39):
You know, we're building the identity.

Speaker 15 (01:00:40):
We got a lot of new players, We got a
lot of young players that are that are gonna be
out there playing this year, and so just getting them
comfortable with the schemes and the terminology so we can
go out there and play fast.

Speaker 8 (01:00:49):
We can get.

Speaker 2 (01:00:51):
The way he's carried himself. He communicates with these guys, and.

Speaker 15 (01:00:55):
Well he's the a CEC guy, so I can't complain
about that. But now his leadership, you know, obviously, you know,
he's been in the league going on his second year.
He's seen some things on the field last year, but
just getting them comfortable, you know, knowing that the guys
in front of them that are blocking formed, that's they're
going to do their job.

Speaker 8 (01:01:09):
They're going to communicate with him and you know, things
that we need.

Speaker 15 (01:01:12):
And that's what this is about, is just you know,
not just you know, just learning the playbook, but learning
one another. You know, seeing you know, what he sees
and what he expects us out of our as our
quarterback and our leader, and just going out there and
just capitalizing.

Speaker 2 (01:01:26):
Take two more guys too, more. Yeah, surgery? Was that
from a player with the Patriots him? What is it
this game that they see you want to play through
this stage?

Speaker 8 (01:01:37):
No, it was week three, Thursday night.

Speaker 15 (01:01:41):
But just the fact that I still come out here
and I still feel like I can learn, you know,
you know, when you come in the building every day
and you got the urge just to learn.

Speaker 8 (01:01:49):
And and I tease Will about it all the time.

Speaker 15 (01:01:51):
I said, Will, like the things you did in college,
I didn't do twelve years ago. So you know, I'm
learning from them just as much as I'm they're learning
from me. And when you come with that mind set,
the you know, the window for for you just as
a growing as a player and as a person is
always open.

Speaker 8 (01:02:05):
So I still enjoy the grind.

Speaker 15 (01:02:07):
I still join being out here with the guys and
and just learning from them and you them learning from me.

Speaker 1 (01:02:14):
The tempo, it seems if you guys kind of get
it's may point if you guys kind of tick prompts
at the defense of the pool a little bit, and
there's a lot of position.

Speaker 15 (01:02:25):
Yeah, I mean, I don't I don't think it's uh,
you know, it's football, man. At the end of the day,
I don't think there's a way that you can really
ease into it, you know.

Speaker 8 (01:02:31):
I say one thing.

Speaker 15 (01:02:32):
You know, it's obviously you know, guys been working out
all in the off season, but footballs are playing football
is a different type of football shape. So getting guys
out there and all although we're not going hard and
we're learning, you know, obviously with a young team, we're
learning how to practice the right way, you know, keep
guys off the ground. And then also you know, just
being we got a great defense out there, you know,
the defense, they got a lot of a lot of

(01:02:52):
young players and they're they're coming, but being able to
have those conversations in between plays. You'll see guys over
there like Keon k c over there, you know, ground
younger guys like Will and say, hey, man, I think
you should change this up, you know.

Speaker 8 (01:03:03):
And that's what this is about. Learning from your teammates.

Speaker 15 (01:03:06):
So when you go into training camp, you get into
the season, you're the best police player you can be.

Speaker 8 (01:03:11):
Thanks Mory, yep napam. I appreciate y'all. Thank you.

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Speaker 16 (01:04:42):
Am I allowed to call out other PU listeners slash callers?
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Speaker 1 (01:04:56):
Have been doing dishes or something. I have a hard
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Speaker 7 (01:05:00):
Why would he know well, why would he not know
what he was doing when he called him the show?

Speaker 1 (01:05:04):
It seems like something.

Speaker 7 (01:05:05):
You remember love you, Todd, just having fun? Uh, and
then he calls us out for our background noise.

Speaker 2 (01:05:11):
So let's go to Todd, North Carolina.

Speaker 8 (01:05:16):
Todd, if you called it.

Speaker 1 (01:05:19):
Perfect, If you did that on purpose, that was good,
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Speaker 8 (01:05:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:05:52):
Correct. Nice on the special one last week.

Speaker 2 (01:05:54):
Yeah, I thought it was a good one.

Speaker 1 (01:05:56):
I learned a lot about Paul as you really I
wanted to thank everybody. I'm glad you brought that up,
because you guys sent in a ton of questions, and
whenever you agree to do one of those, you're like, well,
no one's going to ask me anything. No one cared like.
It was totally the opposite. So I appreciate the questions.
There's a lot of good ones, and yeah, I look

(01:06:17):
forward to doing it again sometime soon. I had a
lot of fun doing that. Yeah, everyone's looking at me.

Speaker 2 (01:06:23):
It was this sort of like a Reddit thing where ama.

Speaker 1 (01:06:27):
Anything but not anything. No, Well I answered everything. They
didn't all get in. Yeah, I'll put it that way.

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Yeah, you know. Yeah, so I couldn't get my new car, sure,
as much as I tried.

Speaker 2 (01:06:46):
Matt writes in just listening to the beginning of the show,
the part where they're discussing the entrance song. Since you
mentioned Hans zimmer and orchestral film music, I was thinking
of also sprack Zarazustra, remember that one, yes, Richard Strauss,
which was used in the opening scene of the movie
two thousand and one of Space Odyssey. The resonating could

(01:07:09):
make for the great opening in the stadium. Keep up
the great work. Greetings from Cologne, Germany.

Speaker 7 (01:07:16):
Does it have to have some kind of connection to
the patriots in some way? I know it doesn't now
and it probably doesn't really need to. But if you
were in a perfect.

Speaker 1 (01:07:24):
World, would it, like I think some of the songs
the perfect world, you know, do any of the iconic
songs have something specific to do with the teams that they.

Speaker 7 (01:07:33):
Well, I was trying to associate it with Google search, Paul,
and it's it's it sounds like some people do have
like Seven Nation Army, Bear Down, Chicago Bears, Miami Dolphins
fight Song, Fly Eagles five. I mean, it does sound
like some teams have their own songs Minnesota Vikings fight
song when the scene's still marching in.

Speaker 1 (01:07:52):
But those are those are songs like Bear Down, Chicago Bears,
and Fly Eagles Spy. Those are like their like the themes,
but they play it after every touchdow right.

Speaker 4 (01:08:01):
Right, So I think does a banger the Dolphins song.

Speaker 1 (01:08:06):
Don't the command the Dolphins and the Oil is song
was to me the same, I think someone someone, That's true,
someone copied the other one. I don't know who was first,
but it was the Miami Dolphins and the Houston.

Speaker 2 (01:08:18):
Oil the same exact song.

Speaker 1 (01:08:20):
Dolphins did they yes, just because the division team and
we hate them. My memory, well, the Oil has happened
around longer. It's true, well not anymore, but you know
what I.

Speaker 7 (01:08:32):
Mean, along the lines of the San Diego Supercharger song
that they used to.

Speaker 4 (01:08:36):
Play also great.

Speaker 1 (01:08:38):
Like to me, those the Patriots and were like the
theme songs like you know, like whatever watching songs like
a lot of different teams like the Hail to the
Red not the Redskins anymore, but a lot of teams
have those kinds of songs.

Speaker 4 (01:08:54):
Isn't that just Hell to the Victors? Though? Do they
just steal that from.

Speaker 1 (01:08:57):
No, it's Hail to the Redskins.

Speaker 4 (01:09:03):
Yeah, yeah, that's it sounds similar.

Speaker 1 (01:09:08):
To the Victor's value and that's difference.

Speaker 2 (01:09:09):
That's fairly recess.

Speaker 1 (01:09:12):
I can't sing, you know so like, but my question is.

Speaker 2 (01:09:16):
It's a recent song, So how did like the fans
adopt it so quickly? Which so Fly Eagles Fly.

Speaker 4 (01:09:23):
I don't know if they love it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:25):
I know they do it.

Speaker 4 (01:09:25):
It's a good song.

Speaker 2 (01:09:26):
If we tried to introduce a new song like that
for the stadium to sing, no one would do it, right,
No fans.

Speaker 1 (01:09:31):
This is the stupidest. When I get t J and
really really annoyed to this day, like he's like in
a really bad mood, I'll just sing Fly Eagles Fly,
and like if he had a knife in his hand,
he stabbed me in the eyeball, like he was so
mad that like he went to that Super Bowl. Mike,
you don't know, going to You've told me many times
he went to the super Bowl. He got to go,

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he went, How did he get to go? You did
look at that you're bringing family members.

Speaker 2 (01:09:58):
But it just seems like our fan base. And it's
not just the Patriots. I think it's like, well, the
Red Sox, they sing sweet Carol whatever, but we don't
like to like just let loose, you know, we're too
laid back. Not laid back, we're too uptight.

Speaker 4 (01:10:15):
I like the Red Sox dirty Water works, but that's
after they win.

Speaker 2 (01:10:19):
I hate Oh no, I hate that song. What that
song is terrible? All the except for shipping up to Boston.
All these Boston songs are terrible.

Speaker 4 (01:10:31):
That's that's a bad take. Dirty Water is great after
they win, like the it's a awful song.

Speaker 1 (01:10:37):
I mean, but that's so angry.

Speaker 2 (01:10:39):
But I'm not angry.

Speaker 4 (01:10:40):
I'm just iconic. And they played testing right afterwards. It's great.

Speaker 7 (01:10:47):
You're right, though, the Boston fans would not allow us
to like write a song, like if we wrote a
song to.

Speaker 1 (01:10:53):
Cool you know, so I kind of agree with really hard.

Speaker 2 (01:10:57):
I remember back in the late nineties, we had a
guy named Andy Waznchuk who was like he was like
Tom really the GM but he was son of like
the money man, Like, you know, we oversaw the cap
and all that, and he said to me, we need
to come up with like a slogan, like something that
we you know, say and that we do during the game.

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So we came up with blue Thunder white Lightning. So
like the blue thunder was the defense and the white
lightning was the offense, and like it went over like
a lead balloon.

Speaker 1 (01:11:30):
It was on the media guy that yeah, it's kind
of like creating a tradition, Like you can't create a tradition,
like we're going to create a new tradition here. Like
it just so, and Evan's right. I would say that
Evan embodies most Red Sox fans thoughts of sweet Caroline dirty.

Speaker 8 (01:11:47):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:11:48):
No one really likes it, okay, But at the same time,
I really respect the organic nature that it started and
now it's become this huge thing. Again, I'm not telling
you that you have to like it, but that's how
those things happen. Someone plays a song and all of
a sudden they start singing it. Yeah, but then to
play it again the next song, and all of a

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sudden you have a tradition.

Speaker 2 (01:12:11):
You can't just.

Speaker 4 (01:12:11):
Six happened in Pittsburgh, right, Like, I'm sure it's probably similar.

Speaker 2 (01:12:15):
It's a good, good example.

Speaker 1 (01:12:16):
I don't know how it started, but I think those
things are pretty cool. Now Again, I kind of agree
with Evan Sweet Caroline is not the best song for
something like that, But I do respect the fact that
they do it and that it's caught on as much
as I don't.

Speaker 4 (01:12:30):
Mind the song. Actually, it's just like they play it
no matter what the score is, so like to me,
like what I like about one tradition with the Patriots
is Josie. But like Josie's gonna say that Josie is
only when it's a big moment or they're winning in
the fourth quarter and we're celebrating.

Speaker 1 (01:12:47):
Haven't heard it since like twenty one.

Speaker 4 (01:12:48):
Right, but like you know, that's when that That's what
I like about Josie. Like Sweet Caroline. The Red Sox
can be down ten to nothing in the in the
eight inning and then here comes Sweet Caroline.

Speaker 2 (01:12:58):
I agree with it.

Speaker 1 (01:12:59):
It's like, shouldn't it doesn't bother me? Like it bothers
a lot of Red Sox fans, but it does bother me.

Speaker 4 (01:13:06):
It doesn't. It doesn't bother me as much as it
bothers other people.

Speaker 2 (01:13:09):
It's like the wave of sing along songs, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:13:11):
But but I know, mister Bright's side is that song
now like new generation. Every like college stadium does that
now and the place goes crazy.

Speaker 4 (01:13:20):
They do the e song, No, No, the Killers Killers, mister.

Speaker 2 (01:13:24):
I'm thinking of mister Sunshine.

Speaker 4 (01:13:26):
Mister mister mister Brightside is like the new one. And
now every state, like every a lot of football teams
do mister Brightside now, and everybody thinks that it's their song,
Like they think it's their song in Buffalo, and I'm
like every every stadium, but mister bright Side, you.

Speaker 2 (01:13:45):
Can't do well.

Speaker 7 (01:13:45):
That's what I like about Josie though, because that was organic, right,
that was the twenty fourteen again, like just a moment
that it was playing and it was and it's that song, right,
you know, and they play.

Speaker 1 (01:13:56):
It on the Sports Hub, I think on Fridays and
you know, on Zoe's show, and it's this thing and
it became a thing. Yeah, that's how it has to happen.

Speaker 2 (01:14:06):
Let's see that one Boston fan. That's what he goes by.
He says, question why not ask bon Jovi to make
a song for the Patriots, could even have Evans sing
a verse Our House kind of.

Speaker 1 (01:14:17):
Did that's right, I asked him to do that.

Speaker 2 (01:14:19):
Yeah, yeah, do we like our House after touchdown?

Speaker 1 (01:14:23):
I mean it's not my favorite.

Speaker 4 (01:14:25):
I like the old one, but that person's also canceled.
I'm pretty sure.

Speaker 1 (01:14:29):
So what was the old one?

Speaker 4 (01:14:32):
The old one in the beginning of the dynasty. I'm
not a music person. I'm not going to sing it,
but yeah, that that's I think it's like Zombie Nation
or something like that. I think it was what it
was called. No, it might be the Bruins.

Speaker 2 (01:14:45):
One's yeah, zombie.

Speaker 4 (01:14:48):
It got canceled because the artist got canceled.

Speaker 2 (01:14:50):
Oh really, I don't know what you're talking about.

Speaker 1 (01:14:54):
It wasn't Gary Glitter about cancel I'm gonna say we
had two different songs.

Speaker 4 (01:15:02):
That got canceled that that one was better.

Speaker 1 (01:15:06):
I have nothing against bon Jovie. I like a lot
of bon Jovie songs. I don't particularly like that one.
This is our House. I don't think that's it. It's
not a banger. Kender Roy would not have wanted that.
At his birthday party, said his birthday.

Speaker 2 (01:15:20):
Party Eric says the key to a new song is
making it vaguely familiar. Fly Eagles has a classic marching
band feel that goes right along with the game. That's
why it was so easy to adopt. Any attempt at
a new song by the Patriots needs to touch upon
that familiarity so that fans will be open to it,
because although they may not have heard the song, they

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do recognize the vibe.

Speaker 1 (01:15:44):
Yeah, the marching band songs, to me are different, and
I do think that there's a handful of teams that have,
like you know, the bare down Chicago Bears is a
kind of a marching band song too. Those those are
different than like Renegade for Pittsburgh. Yeah, I think it's cool.
It is cool, And so they do that every game. Yeah,

(01:16:04):
and the third quarter, right, yeah, after they they waited
for a.

Speaker 4 (01:16:07):
Moment, No third and fourth quarter. Oh yeah, Okay, I
thought they go into that.

Speaker 1 (01:16:12):
That's a way they'll do it, even if they're getting waxed, right,
I think so.

Speaker 2 (01:16:16):
I don't think. I don't think that's correct.

Speaker 4 (01:16:18):
I mean every game I've ever been doing is correct.

Speaker 2 (01:16:21):
I thought that they play it when they need, like
to get everybody up because they're staging a comeback little something.

Speaker 4 (01:16:29):
I mean, it's definitely happens late in the game. It
does happen late in the game. Every game I've been
to Pittsburgh, it happens.

Speaker 2 (01:16:34):
In between the he be a reason why they played it.

Speaker 4 (01:16:37):
Potentially, I mean, that would make more sense than like
Sweet Caroline of just playing it even if the Steelers
are down forty five to nothing.

Speaker 7 (01:16:43):
Yeah, if it's true, there's definitely some Steeler fans out
there that are like, this is so stupid.

Speaker 4 (01:16:47):
Yeah right now, But when it when it's a competitive
game or they're winning, and those towels start going and
the song starts playing, I mean it gets Yeah, it's
fun in there, it's cool. It's a it's a it's
a moment for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:17:01):
So their their fans are willing to take part in
community a community thing, yeah you know, I mean that place,
they have to have a willing fan base.

Speaker 8 (01:17:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:17:11):
Well, along those let's for it not to keep going
back to my eighty five watching. But they kept doing
the stupid wave the older stadium, like during the like
one the last time you saw them do the wave
into Let's State, like them.

Speaker 2 (01:17:21):
Is the wave anymore?

Speaker 4 (01:17:24):
I don't like the wave either.

Speaker 1 (01:17:26):
The eighties I think was like the high point of
the wave. Everyone seemed very exciting, Like the wave is.

Speaker 4 (01:17:30):
Another thing you can only do, in my opinion, when
you're winning, like you're doing. You're starting to wave at
a baseball game. When the Red Sox are losing, it's
not the time for the wave.

Speaker 1 (01:17:38):
Well, I mean it's tied ale together.

Speaker 7 (01:17:39):
It's funny they start doing the wave in the old
Foxborough Stadium and Steve Grogan's like trying to run the
offense and he's telling people to calm down and stop
doing the wave because you can't hear anything.

Speaker 1 (01:17:48):
Yeah, what are you looking up? I'm looking up. When
they played it says a third quarter break, but that
doesn't that's I need something a little bit more specifical.

Speaker 4 (01:17:55):
That's a break between the third and five.

Speaker 2 (01:17:57):
I don't agree with that it's during games because we've
been at games when they play in.

Speaker 1 (01:18:01):
It so AI Overview. The Steelers played Renegade by Sticks
during home games, specifically during the third quarter, as a
way to energize the crowd in the defense. The songs
lyrics and upbeat tempo are thought to inspire the players
and create an electric atmosphere within the stadium. It began
in two thousand and two during a playoff game against Cleveland,
and it's become a beloved Steelers tradition.

Speaker 4 (01:18:21):
I do believe the defense needs to be on the field.
I think that it might be a part of the Yeah,
that could be true. So maybe it's just that time
of the game, but that it might be a defense.

Speaker 2 (01:18:35):
You're you're a baseball We don't have one Steeler fan listening.

Speaker 4 (01:18:38):
I know it was someone someone calling.

Speaker 1 (01:18:41):
But where Stewers fans are on pictures dot com radio?
Where are they all? Where? Where did the seventh inning
stretch and take me out to the ball game come from?
I mean, that's that's one too. When did that's like
one of your relatives right, probably back in the day.
But that's another thing. Back in like, you know, the thirties,
people are like, what.

Speaker 4 (01:18:58):
Are we doing?

Speaker 1 (01:18:59):
They're gonna play this stupid song every time.

Speaker 2 (01:19:01):
They're all jaded, probably Bob and Fort Lauderdale just listening
to the song discussion. I have one that hasn't been
used that I think would be a great choice, the
introduction to Highway Star by Deep Purple. Absolutely love the
show grew up in Mass Bubble. I know that song
It's Okay from your era. I feel like that album

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was a great album. That the Smoke on the Water
album by Deep Purple, what an album.

Speaker 4 (01:19:28):
It's a classic.

Speaker 1 (01:19:29):
I'd like to compile all these and listen to the
ones that I don't know to.

Speaker 2 (01:19:32):
See if there are we should We should have like
a committee and people should send it a suggestion. We
should listen, you know, give each one a hearing and decide.
I'd like it even for just the opening for us,
but you got to you gotta take in context. You
gotta think of like what are the opening notes, like,
oh yeah, you know, are they catching? You can't wait

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too long for the hook now, the hook has to
be early.

Speaker 1 (01:19:57):
The hook, yeah, brings you back.

Speaker 2 (01:20:00):
That's right, Like we talked about it in the last
you know, when when you hear the opening to Hotel California, like,
you know that's Hotel California.

Speaker 1 (01:20:10):
You know, yeah, I love your way, you know, wow, Wow,
that's the right Hotel California.

Speaker 2 (01:20:20):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:20:22):
I went to camp with France with Deacon, so you
know flex Glenn fries Son, So.

Speaker 2 (01:20:32):
Uh yeah, Pascal says. Evan said Arnold hasn't done anything
close to Rocky. But I think Terminator is a better franchise.
I'm not sure about that.

Speaker 1 (01:20:40):
God, it's a bad lot of deep thoughts. I mean
Terminators the Rocky franchise. Yeah, I have to push back
on that creed. We got Creede going now we're up
in the creed.

Speaker 4 (01:20:50):
I mean Rocky is won through.

Speaker 2 (01:20:51):
I mean they built a statue to Rocky like you
can in Philly actually think it's a real when you.

Speaker 4 (01:20:56):
Go to the art Museum and like there's people that
literally least I run him twice, me too, like I
did it. That's like it's like a tourist attract my.

Speaker 1 (01:21:06):
Spring the girl I drove down to visit on spring Break.
That whole that was certainly what you needed to bete energy.
That's a bad take though. You want to tell me
that Arnold's a better action hero than Stallone, That to
me is that's a debate that you can have. And

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but like Rocky is.

Speaker 2 (01:21:31):
Real, Like Rocky is a real movie, like I asked,
Like I said, you asked people from Philly, who are
the great athletes that came out of Philadelphia. They'll say
rock They will Yeah, maybe some of them really do think.

Speaker 1 (01:21:43):
You pull South Jersey books.

Speaker 7 (01:21:48):
I mean you can't even get past Terminator two. I
mean Terminator too and done. There's no other good Terminator movies.

Speaker 1 (01:21:54):
In my opinion.

Speaker 2 (01:21:55):
Oh I don't. I disagree with that.

Speaker 1 (01:21:57):
Three one is Judgement two T two T two two
didn't see it.

Speaker 7 (01:22:04):
They didn't see I think the other thing people got
obsessed with is that they thought that the time travel
was cool.

Speaker 1 (01:22:08):
Like I just thought the future world.

Speaker 7 (01:22:10):
Was cool, the post apocalyptic, but then all the sequels
just got so crazy and all the time travel and
then they're traveling at a different time, and like.

Speaker 1 (01:22:16):
That's the cool part. The cool part is machines took
over the universe, you know, the world in the future.

Speaker 4 (01:22:21):
That's for me, at least the future. Yeah, no one's
ever done that. Machine machines are not taking over the
world now at all.

Speaker 1 (01:22:28):
Totally. All the sports.

Speaker 2 (01:22:32):
Ford Savannah, getting back to football, what this has been
the best post Brady off season the Patriots have had,
and we should all be excited about it. You hear
that excited about it?

Speaker 1 (01:22:42):
I would concur I don't know, however, it's the you
don't think this is the best post Brady our season, not.

Speaker 2 (01:22:48):
Yet post Brady We were pretty jacked up when they
signed Cam Newton for about a minute.

Speaker 1 (01:22:52):
But it's an off season, Like, you don't have to
like whatever happen. This is the office.

Speaker 4 (01:22:56):
I know on paper they twenty twenty one, they just
as much.

Speaker 2 (01:23:02):
However, I hope we have patience and take the long
view when it comes to Drake May. I'm talking, I'm talking, well,
we're talking about Okay, I'm getting when you can say,
I hope we have patience and take the long view
when it comes to Drake May. Would we be happy
with the second year numbers that Josh Allen had for
Drake May? Twenty passing touchdowns, nine interceptions, nine rushing touchdowns,

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fourteen fumbles with four fumbles lost, fifty eight percent completion percentage.
Drake May is not Brady or Mac. He's an explosive playmaker.
We have to be okay with him learning this year
at what will be twenty three years of age. Do
you think we should look at winning this year as
a bonus. I know we're all hungry for it, especially

(01:23:45):
based in the past two years, but I think patients
in developing the right way will pay off in the
long run.

Speaker 1 (01:23:53):
Interesting numbers they're going to win, he says, maybe not.
I mean they want with those won ten games they
went through that they went to the playoffs.

Speaker 4 (01:24:01):
Yeah, I don't know. I like, if you completed under
sixty percent of his completions, that would be a tough time. Well,
I need to know if they won, that'd be a
tough number. Now, the stats, the touchdown interceptions and all
that is fine.

Speaker 1 (01:24:14):
That's that's fine. But there's a lot of balls on
the ground though, that's what you say.

Speaker 2 (01:24:18):
Fourteen he only lost.

Speaker 1 (01:24:20):
Four yea fourteen is a lot.

Speaker 4 (01:24:22):
And I know, you know, they obviously have a lot
of similarities, and I've certainly talked a lot about their similarities.
But Drake may is already a more accurate thrower than
Josh Allen was coming out of college.

Speaker 1 (01:24:32):
I would agree with that.

Speaker 4 (01:24:33):
I think Drake's more accurate than young Allen, so I
has a better arm, though, Yeah, I think Allen has
a better physical skill set. I think he's bigger.

Speaker 2 (01:24:42):
You hear about our friend Joe Milton wowing people in Dallas.
Oh really, you hear about this man? Heard about what
he does?

Speaker 4 (01:24:48):
What I mean, it was with the can like it
was at the mini camp, through through and eighty yards
and everybody lost their minds. But yeah, I would say
Drake may is more polished, more accurate quarterback now than
Alan was coming out. Allen's a specimen like Allen's better.

Speaker 2 (01:25:03):
We know Evan you talk about him a lot, Yeah,
I tend Matthew writes in for the rest of the crew,
now that the twenty fifteen NFL Draft is officially ten
years ago, how would you rank that draft talent and
who are some of the better players to come from
that draft? And how does it compare it to other drafts?
Twenty fifteen? Is that notable?

Speaker 1 (01:25:25):
Can we does they not have like the people it's
a very supposed to Just remember who was.

Speaker 7 (01:25:32):
Supposed to look Jamis Waite, Winston went to Mayor Mario Mariota,
Dante Fowler, Amari Cooper, Brandon Shirt.

Speaker 4 (01:25:38):
I thought he meant our draft patries draft that was
not if my memory serves me correctly, it wasn't a
great draft.

Speaker 1 (01:25:44):
Well, I mean just at the time that was Malcolm
Brown at the thirties two spot. Yeah, so there's three
those first five or six pictures you read off, there
was like three good ones like Amari Cooper, Brandon Sheriff,
and Leonard Williams were all good players. But yeah, I
mean Jameis Winston, Marcus Mariota at the top. That's not good.
Jordan Richard's sixty fourth overall, oh not good.

Speaker 4 (01:26:08):
Yeah, not great. So basically it was a bad draft overall,
if I remember, it was very bad, not considered to
be a great draft. In hindsight, God and he says,
for Evan, did you watch Star Wars the Clone Wars
cartoon as well, or or just the movies?

Speaker 1 (01:26:24):
Just the movies.

Speaker 4 (01:26:25):
Yeah, I don't do all the series.

Speaker 1 (01:26:27):
I didn't do all the cartoons, but he did a
good amount of Thank you, thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (01:26:31):
I just finished the Last of Us. By the way,
I liked it.

Speaker 1 (01:26:34):
I really liked it. People.

Speaker 2 (01:26:35):
I know people didn't like the last episode.

Speaker 1 (01:26:37):
But yeah, watching Hacks season four, I think, yeah, my favorite.
I love that show. It's so funny, it's funny, excellent.
Started watching Sirens, be watching that. It's not bad.

Speaker 2 (01:26:50):
Henry Famine writes in kind of ridiculous suggestion, But here
are three probably terrible suggestions. One have Steven Tyler wright
a song since he also uh, it's local shark music
from Jaws, especially on a scoring drive. Ooh, you'd like that.

Speaker 4 (01:27:09):
You can do something so much better.

Speaker 2 (01:27:11):
See now, like if it came out that Drake may
love sharks, then organically maybe you could do something like that.

Speaker 1 (01:27:19):
But like you said, there has to be some time
and then the word to me is organic too.

Speaker 7 (01:27:24):
It's just anytime you're like, have someone write a song,
and I just start visions in my mind of like
here come the Patriots and they're gonna win in just
so stupid, cheesy late lines.

Speaker 2 (01:27:34):
You're like, this is so bad.

Speaker 4 (01:27:36):
That was well written. There's a zero percent chance that
Drake may have seen Jaws. Like I'm just telling you that, right.

Speaker 2 (01:27:44):
We'll get them involved in no way, probably a little sarcastic.
But maybe have Seth McFarland write something. He does a
great job mocking musicians. Maybe you can figure out something.

Speaker 1 (01:27:54):
You could write, a good, funny fake one for us,
like that come.

Speaker 2 (01:27:58):
The Patriot all ready to play?

Speaker 4 (01:28:01):
Well, I mean, is.

Speaker 2 (01:28:06):
Oh my god? All right? Well he's been waiting and
I know you have two Christian lays on the phone.
What's up Christian?

Speaker 5 (01:28:17):
Hey you guys, good morning, Good morning from La. Thank
you guys taking my call here.

Speaker 3 (01:28:22):
It is sonny but cool in LA and we are
loving the beginning of off off season stuff about off
season activities of the eight man, I'm really excited. A
couple of things came up for me this week, and
I know it's kind of a mouthful, but I know
I'm a week late. But on that touch push debate,
I know the main thing they wanted to do was
stop aiding the runner or the assisting him in anyway.

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Would still be the touch push if the guys that
lined up in the backfield just pushed the guards on
either side of the quarterback, not eating the quarterback in
any way, still getting that surge into the defense. That's one.
The second thing is I read a article this weekend
on the upcoming scoring trends in the NFL this year,
and while defensive scoring was going to tick up, and

(01:29:09):
so with passing touchdowns, we're going to pick up rushing
touchdowns and works God to be used to take down
that offsteedon. So the question I have for you guys is,
with what it seems like Rabel is building sort of
rebuild of the Tennessee tight offense where we have a
strong run game and sort of play action pass on

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passing game, do you think that that in any way
lends itself to us taking advantage of that trend up
more passing touchdowns this season. And then lastly, my song
is Joan von Jovi's Living on a Prayer. Every fourth
quarter if we in the game, we start the fourth
quarter with Living on a Prayer, I'll take it offline.
And it's so good to be alive and part of

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Patriot football.

Speaker 2 (01:29:56):
All right, pass nice question. They play Living on a
Player a lot, right, Yeah, yeah, that's weak, but.

Speaker 1 (01:30:05):
We're all just in the same yeah, seven around circle
seven songs.

Speaker 4 (01:30:10):
Yeah, that's why probably just I mean, we're getting a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:30:12):
There's a lot of emails coming in, but I don't
know what these songs are.

Speaker 1 (01:30:15):
I know, I got to review them. You know. I
will say that that song got a lot of interaction
with the crowd in the in the Dynasty years now,
maybe you could argue that you could have played anything,
and those crowds were extremely into the game and extremely confident. Yeah,
you know, and the when the games in the second
half generally were kind of decided because the Patriots were

(01:30:37):
winning all the games, but they they they used to
get into Living on a Prayer. Oh yeah, I mean
they played when was here.

Speaker 4 (01:30:45):
Oh yeah, they played at Bruins games at the thirty
minute mark of the game, like right in the a
lot of teams second period, halfway there, and people get
into it then too, So I think it's just the song.

Speaker 1 (01:30:56):
I'm not sure I got Christian's point about there's a
trends that there will be more passing touchdowns and will
that be beneficial because Rabels seems to be.

Speaker 4 (01:31:06):
I guess he's trying to say that teams are building
to stop the pass, so if you're good at they're
not necessarily worried about the run as much. So if
you're good at running, then that was sort of where
I thought he was going. But that's like an old
teams have been trying to like and I don't know
exactly how the offense is going to shape off. That

(01:31:27):
I agree with.

Speaker 1 (01:31:27):
Can we wait and see what kind of offense we run.
But throwing more touchdowns good?

Speaker 8 (01:31:32):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:31:32):
Yes, well just scoring.

Speaker 2 (01:31:33):
More is good. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:31:34):
But I do feel like that what Paul said, like,
I feel like that's the assumption is that they're just
going to be the Derrick Henry Titans and they're gonna
be a run first offense and everything I would.

Speaker 1 (01:31:45):
Say that if that ends up being the case, I
will not be a huge fan. I think you're very
limited if you try to play that way.

Speaker 2 (01:31:51):
Well, think about Henderson is like, if he's going to
be your lead back, he's not going to be the
lead back.

Speaker 1 (01:31:57):
You don't think so Traveon Henderson. Yeah, No, he's going
to be James White. He's gonna be the third down back.

Speaker 2 (01:32:02):
You think Ramandre is still going to be the lead
back at least for now. Well, I'm just saying that Henderson,
he has a lot of wear on those tires, right, No, No,
I thought he carried a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:32:14):
No.

Speaker 4 (01:32:14):
No, he was in a platune with quin Shawn Judkins
last year at Ohio State. He's been that. They've been
platuning him for a while.

Speaker 1 (01:32:20):
But you know what you're thinking about someone different, thinking
about genty, Oh, I'm thinking about somebody else's player.

Speaker 2 (01:32:30):
Yeah, genty we've won. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:32:33):
I I agree with that, And I think that's why
they they wanted to bring Judkins in last year because
sophomore and junior year Henderson broke down. So that's why
that's probably the biggest reason why I don't really see
him being the lead guy. Now, I think he can
be more of a ball carrier, traditional ball carrier than
James White was. I think he has the capability of

(01:32:54):
doing that. I just would caution, and I've said this
to a few people. James White was that guy in college.
He had a million carries for a million yards at
Wisconsin now playing behind in incredible offensive lines for the
most part, a lot of NFL players on the offensive
line at Wisconsin, but in the pros with the Patriots,

(01:33:15):
he was more of a third down back who could run.
I mean, they handed the ball to him, but generally
it was like passing formations, you know, kind of you know,
third down draw that, those kinds of things. I think
Henderson has the ability to maybe be like they did
last year. It would be like one series at Stevens.
In the next series it was Gibson. I think Henderson

(01:33:37):
might be like, this is a Henderson series. Here first
and ten, we're gonna line up too tight, so we're
gonna run it and they're gonna you know, they don't
need him to be a scatback per se. I think
he can run between the tackles.

Speaker 4 (01:33:46):
And the question though, is is do they become more
of a spread style scheme, Like if they're more in
the of a gun heavy offense and they're in spread
and then you're running the ball against lighter boxes with
more space and like all that kind of stuff. Like
he's definitely built more for that than Ramondre Stevenson to
be that kind of running back. So if that's going
to be what they are because of Drake, may they

(01:34:07):
go more towards that side of things. I don't think
Travon Henderson is necessarily going to be We're gonna line
them up in the I formation in the backfield, and
he's gonna run the ball on first and ten. But
if they're an offense that's more gun run options like
that kind of stuff like you see in you know,
Kansas City, Buffalo, Baltimore like places like that, then he's

(01:34:28):
probably more conducive to that just because of his speed
and his bursts.

Speaker 1 (01:34:33):
But I'd be surprised if he ended up with more
carries than Stevenson. I think Stevenson will still be well
the lead back I'd be, and then what's this an injury?

Speaker 4 (01:34:42):
I think he could end up with more snaps, but
maybe not more carries, right like, because he's gonna play
so much in the passing game that a lot of
those years James White was their their lead snap count back,
but he wasn't there leading rusher because.

Speaker 2 (01:35:01):
You know how to pick up the blitz. Is he good,
very good, fantastic, So that'll help him very good out
stay out there.

Speaker 4 (01:35:08):
Yeah, Like some people think he's one of the best
blitz pick up running backs in the last couple of drafts.

Speaker 1 (01:35:13):
So his you know, the name is escaping now. But
his his coach at Ohio State called him the best
pass protector in the country period, regardless of position. Did
he say, how that's how good? How did he get
that good at it? I mean it might have been
a question that a good reporter asked, I dropped the ball.

Speaker 8 (01:35:31):
Took a question.

Speaker 7 (01:35:32):
I mean, I would just wonder if it's a if
he just had a natural kind of knack for it,
he just understood kind of how to get in guys
way the right way, or if he just maybe it
was a weakness and he worked out.

Speaker 4 (01:35:41):
I mean, he's really strong for his size, just like
pops guys. Yeah. Yeah, and he's got great eyes for
it to like stay square to guys and see different
looks and things like that. I mean they you can
make a highlight reel of Trevon Henderson just off of
his blitz pick ups.

Speaker 1 (01:35:59):
He's got a great highlight reel. Ye that that made.
It made the rounds on Twitter right after they drafted.
It was unbelievably impressive.

Speaker 2 (01:36:06):
Yeah, good stuff. Well, I think they're gonna I think
he's going to become the number one back pretty quickly.
I really do.

Speaker 1 (01:36:13):
I don't think that's a good thing.

Speaker 4 (01:36:14):
I just don't. I think it depends on how you
quantify that.

Speaker 2 (01:36:17):
Yeah, I want to be out there early.

Speaker 1 (01:36:19):
I won his big play potential, and I think that
the best way to get that is to sort of
limit his touches.

Speaker 4 (01:36:26):
I'm not saying right away, but like the vision of
like Jamiir Gibbs, Like, I don't think Jamiir Gibbs isn't
playing seventy five percent of the snaps in Detroit. It's
probably more closer to fifty that I would have imagined
that that's the goal, not necessarily week one, day one,
but eventually.

Speaker 2 (01:36:44):
Yep, Chad and Las is back in the saddle. You
know that song? But only if we start winning. No,
but we're talking runout songs. Yeah, this isn't like the Josie.
This isn't replacing the Josie. Song is what gets the
crowd amped up for.

Speaker 1 (01:37:03):
The runout right organically. Yeah yeah, we used to be
a dynasty, but now we're not. We're trying really hardly.
It's just right, just totally literal, exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:37:16):
Stick with us.

Speaker 1 (01:37:17):
We promise it will be better than next year.

Speaker 2 (01:37:19):
We hope, don't.

Speaker 1 (01:37:21):
We're good.

Speaker 4 (01:37:22):
I'm guarantee you we're going to a more than guarantee.

Speaker 1 (01:37:26):
Probably that it's like not avoiding systers. That quick disclaimer
at the end. Okay, sorry, had a long weekend. You
really are something else. Thank you. I am I am
available for any of your songwriting needs.

Speaker 2 (01:37:46):
Our Ja and Colorado's subject line all the small things
in the Avalanche, he says, song traditions must be organic.
You can't plan it. My favorite thing about going to
Colorado Avalanche games. The entire crowds sings the entire time.
It's legendary. But it's derived from their recent Stanley Cup run.

Speaker 4 (01:38:06):
Oh they must have played it as like in the
locker room after wins or something. Yeah, I love all
this good song.

Speaker 1 (01:38:13):
The Bruins have like a playoff one off song too,
don't they like they change it up? Yeah, yeah, I
think back to last year. Yeah, sorry, we choked again.

Speaker 4 (01:38:21):
Well, most teams have like most hockey teams, when they're
on a run, like a playoff run, they have like
l Maybe that must have been the Avalanches and that
must have been where it came from.

Speaker 2 (01:38:34):
Pascal has some numbers Terminator first Rocky. Oh so sorry, guys,
but box office numbers say Terminator is the better franchise.
Rocky only comes close because Creed boosts the numbers at
the end. Terminator has two out of three highest domestic
numbers and through the first six movies of each franchise
that isn't close Internationally, Terminator blows Rocky out of the water.

(01:38:58):
Rocky is a niche to a smaller market of fans
like you guys. Yeah, I don't know about that.

Speaker 1 (01:39:03):
I don't care about the box office Rocky is.

Speaker 4 (01:39:07):
And if Rocky is.

Speaker 1 (01:39:07):
An award winning film like this is not. In my opinion,
it's not really even worth a discussion. One's a movie
and the others are just fluff. Like you want to say,
Rocky three for the franchise is fluffed too fine. But
the original Rocky was an Oscar Worthy movie.

Speaker 4 (01:39:24):
Don't be talking about Rock three.

Speaker 1 (01:39:26):
The same with the original Rambo, I'd say too kind
of mean, not quite but first Blood, like the Terminator,
no one was you know, waxing poetic about it was
what it was. It was fluff.

Speaker 2 (01:39:35):
It was science fiction.

Speaker 1 (01:39:35):
Yeah, which is fine. There's there's a place for that.

Speaker 2 (01:39:39):
The whole Rocky story. Stallone tried to get a writer,
he couldn't get one. He ended up writing it in a.

Speaker 1 (01:39:45):
Weekend, right, I mean, I don't know about a weekend,
but yeah, they wrote it, and then they didn't want
him to play himself and he refused to sell it
unless he unless he started and he had no money
and he banked on himself. Yeah that's the story.

Speaker 2 (01:39:57):
But I know he wrote it.

Speaker 1 (01:39:59):
He like I heard he wrote it in a week Yeah,
I believe it got it all on.

Speaker 2 (01:40:03):
I just got to get it out. No, that was
one of those things where it's one of it's like genius, like, yeah,
he'll never he never was able to recreate that. It
was a one hit thing.

Speaker 1 (01:40:14):
Yeah flash yeah as a writer. Anyway, it's a lot
of writers, a.

Speaker 2 (01:40:21):
Lot of writers out there.

Speaker 1 (01:40:22):
They got one in them.

Speaker 7 (01:40:24):
I mean, I said, like my experience with TV writers
is that there are like a handful of people that
are very talented and everything they write is really good.
But then the vast majority are people who wrote one
thing or they were a staff writer on Friends when
it broke, and then they worked their way up. They
were never making the magic happen, but they were part
of it. So but there's really only i would say

(01:40:44):
five ten percent of the writers are really talented, like
Mitch Hurwitz from Arrested Development, who was just an amazing writer.
Every time you read what he wrote, you're like, this
is so depth and there's you know, me ticky time
to even process it.

Speaker 1 (01:40:57):
But a lot of guys just one hit wonder, you know,
and they're still like, well he was on Will and Grace.
You're like, well that was twenty years ago.

Speaker 7 (01:41:03):
You know, we're still we're taking meetings with this guy
because he was on a show, you know, well for
a good show, but it was nutlike he was you know.

Speaker 17 (01:41:10):
I love I love how I would do munch Nick
and Cohn well like like you know, you know better,
but like Signful, for example, different writers kind of took
the lead for different shows that had like the Soup
Nazi that Spike young.

Speaker 2 (01:41:25):
Person, Spike Ferriston. Maybe it might have been yeah, sure, right, yeah,
no something. I mean you never saw him as the
lead writer. Again, that was his one show that he
had inspiration.

Speaker 1 (01:41:34):
That's kind of like how it works.

Speaker 7 (01:41:35):
Like if we were a TV show and we're let's
say we're all doing a show and you're the show
runner and you say, a right, dude, you're gonna write
this episode. So we'd all kind of break it together,
and then I'd go off and I put the first
draft together.

Speaker 1 (01:41:45):
Paul, you're gonna write this episode. We'll all kind of
put the beats together.

Speaker 7 (01:41:48):
You go off and write that, you know, and then
we each get a script fee to write that script
along with our per episodic fee that we get, so
you know, that's how you get a little more money.
Or how many scripts you got involved, We got a couple.
I mean, this is all network TV too. I don't
even know if this is still beat streaming though.

Speaker 2 (01:42:02):
In the eighties. I know the writers for Cheers they
got seventy grand a show.

Speaker 5 (01:42:05):
I believe that.

Speaker 1 (01:42:06):
Yeah, sure, that's I mean, that's way that yeah. Ever, yeah,
I mean it's crazy.

Speaker 7 (01:42:13):
Lane asked me that this weekend shoo them like per
episode they make. But it's not with streaming where they
have eight episode seasons. It's hard because it used to
al be based on so they get more twenty twenty five,
you know, and that's how streaming companies get around paying that.

Speaker 4 (01:42:26):
That annoys me a little bit, Like everything is now
ten episodes, right, Like there's no it just I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:42:34):
Nobody wants to put in a full day of work anymore.

Speaker 4 (01:42:37):
Even every show is that funny five Like every show
is like, oh you know, new season dropped, it's ten episodes.
Every show. It's like, what happened to the actual?

Speaker 8 (01:42:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:42:48):
Usould be, wasn't it like twenty six weeks?

Speaker 8 (01:42:51):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:42:51):
Like members twenty five twenty six episodes a season, right,
even now, I know you guys don't watch any of
that anymore. But even now, most of the shows you
get lucky if you get to twenty Yeah, you know,
some of them might do twenty episodes for a season,
but most of them are like half seasons.

Speaker 7 (01:43:07):
I mean, I worked out I worked at my company
for thirteen years and we put maybe like four shows
actually on the air, and other than two and a
half Men, I think two got subsequent order pickups of
other seasons. But we produced one hundred two hundred shows, pilots, scripts,
I mean probably close to a thousand scripts. But that's

(01:43:29):
how much. It's so much thrown at the wall for
one two and a half. Men, you've got.

Speaker 2 (01:43:36):
Everything can be Chicago pup.

Speaker 1 (01:43:39):
That's why we're hoping we're got.

Speaker 4 (01:43:41):
You don't get the syndication checks for two and a half,
not me, you know what do you mean?

Speaker 1 (01:43:44):
But every time it's on, I think what my bosses
are getting. You're still getting paid every time that thing airs.

Speaker 2 (01:43:49):
Johnny and Madtown has a Felger fact.

Speaker 1 (01:43:51):
Felger fact.

Speaker 2 (01:43:52):
He says, Terminator two won four oscars.

Speaker 7 (01:43:55):
Yeah, I was gonna say probably yeah, visual effects, visuals.

Speaker 2 (01:43:58):
Yeah, right, which are oscars.

Speaker 1 (01:44:00):
But that's not what I'm talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:44:03):
Best Picture.

Speaker 1 (01:44:04):
Yeah, Like I'm not talking about the amount of oscars.
I'm talking about the Best picture.

Speaker 2 (01:44:08):
Yeah. Also, genres like sci fi, horror in comedy gets
shafted at the Oscars for acting or directing or Best Pictured.

Speaker 1 (01:44:15):
Nomination like sports movies.

Speaker 2 (01:44:17):
Your opinion isn't as bad as Evans for film, but
it's damn close.

Speaker 1 (01:44:21):
Wow, sports movies generally do really well with the Oscars, right,
did Bill Durham, did Bull Durham do well?

Speaker 4 (01:44:28):
No?

Speaker 8 (01:44:28):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:44:29):
Like for Best Picture, like, did it get nominated? I
don't think so.

Speaker 2 (01:44:32):
No.

Speaker 1 (01:44:33):
I mean, before this guy writes back to yell at me,
I don't remember that being nominated.

Speaker 4 (01:44:38):
I do agree that sometimes sci fi, that those genres
maybe not so much comedy.

Speaker 2 (01:44:44):
But like I agree with him nominated too.

Speaker 4 (01:44:49):
But June two is the best movie of the year
and it didn't win.

Speaker 2 (01:44:52):
Well, I didn't see them all, so I can't jump,
but I.

Speaker 4 (01:44:54):
Mean it was it was. I didn't see all fifteen
of them, su No, but I saw the one that won,
uh or whatever it was. I watched it, Yeah, because
it won, and I I mean, I get it, Like
it's not a franchise like Dune is, Like it's not
based off a book, like I get I get it.
But at the same time, I still thought Dune was better.

Speaker 1 (01:45:17):
I did too.

Speaker 2 (01:45:18):
Yeah, I just I love doing yeah everything right in all.

Speaker 1 (01:45:22):
In terms of the Felger facts, I'll just fill them
in for you. The Terminator two won four Oscars. They
were four Best Makeup, Best Sound, Best Sound Effects, Editing,
and Best Visual Effects. Those are your four Oscars, right, fat, Right,
So that's that's where the Felger fact comes from. Yes,

(01:45:44):
it's true that The Terminator two won four Oscars. The
Terminators one and two.

Speaker 2 (01:45:49):
I love them.

Speaker 1 (01:45:50):
I feel weird being on the side of rock. But
I don't know if this really didn't I can't tell
you I didn't like them. I didn't see them. I
love them.

Speaker 2 (01:45:57):
I thought they were great. But you know, Rocky is Rocky.

Speaker 7 (01:46:01):
Rocky is iconic and global like box office like I mean,
it's definitely a very American movie too.

Speaker 1 (01:46:08):
I understand why it terminated.

Speaker 7 (01:46:09):
There's a hundred of them, and they make like, you know,
animated movies now basically with all the science fiction they
have going on, so that's gonna have much broader global appeal.
But in terms of just like, what's a better film,
I think I'm Rocky, Team Rocky.

Speaker 4 (01:46:22):
That's sad that it's two movies.

Speaker 2 (01:46:24):
I want to see, right, I want to see Superman. Yeah,
that looks really good. And I want to see The
Mission Impossible.

Speaker 1 (01:46:31):
Yeah. How many Mission impostles are I've fallen out. I
won like two and this is it.

Speaker 17 (01:46:38):
But somebody will replace Tom Cruise, just like James Bond
to cruise running this way, but.

Speaker 4 (01:46:42):
Dead Reckoning Part one I think is what the it
was that was honestly amazing. It was like one of
the best of the whole franchise, this one. I guess
the reviews are not quite as good as the last one.
It's like this one's a lot of time to get
it together, and you know, nostalgia and all that stuff.

Speaker 7 (01:46:58):
But I saw the first one like nineteen ninety seven
or something back then, and I haven't listened.

Speaker 2 (01:47:03):
I used to watch the series, you know, first run
on TV. Leonard Nimoy, and they're all good.

Speaker 5 (01:47:11):
He was on.

Speaker 1 (01:47:12):
I never watched it.

Speaker 2 (01:47:13):
He was on, I remember that the first season, but
he came in.

Speaker 1 (01:47:17):
Mission Impossible.

Speaker 4 (01:47:19):
I think they're all good.

Speaker 1 (01:47:21):
H Brett.

Speaker 2 (01:47:22):
Each person gives their reason to support why or how
the Patriots finished thirteen and four, but losing the AFC Conference.

Speaker 1 (01:47:29):
Game AFC like the championship game, I don't think I
can do this.

Speaker 2 (01:47:34):
Yeah, that's kind of hard. You know, a lot of
injuries the other times you just stole.

Speaker 1 (01:47:40):
That was all I have, except for maybe Patrick Mahomes
or Josh Allen. But I mean, put it on Drake May.
Put it on Drake May.

Speaker 7 (01:47:47):
They're gonna do something magical. I don't see how it
happens without Drake May doing something.

Speaker 1 (01:47:52):
That's a good one. Mike, Drake May just explodes hopefully.

Speaker 2 (01:47:57):
Yeah, Chad says, but we've.

Speaker 1 (01:48:02):
Has a subpart game in the playoff. Can't quite get
it done.

Speaker 2 (01:48:06):
In Kansas City, U chat about why shows don't have
longer runs seasons. He says it more formulaic. Back then
they were thirty minutes long each episode, each episode of
something like Game of Thrones, more akin too many movies.
I get that, well, I'm talking about that.

Speaker 1 (01:48:23):
We're talking about network.

Speaker 2 (01:48:24):
Yeah, I'm not talking about like last I get. I
get the shows that you watch on HBO. They're like movies.
Those are movie budget TV shows. I'm just talking about show.

Speaker 1 (01:48:36):
I do think money is a big part of it too.
Like you know, friends, you know, what do they all get?
They all held out and got a million each, right,
So that's six guys, six actors making a million dollars
per episode a top of them. We can't afford to
do twenty plus episodes every year, you know, whatever the
number was, thirty episodes, whatever they used to do.

Speaker 7 (01:48:55):
That's what was so crazy to me about those shows
were when you're just trying to the pilot, like say
you're doing the Friends pilot.

Speaker 1 (01:49:02):
You've just hired.

Speaker 7 (01:49:04):
You know, Courtney Cox is the big get because she's
kind of she's the only one of them who've done anything.
But at that point, you're spending so much time negotiating
over like what's your title in year three?

Speaker 1 (01:49:15):
Well like oh, you know, like well, Matthew, this wouldn't happen.
But like Matthew, Perry's manager is gonna get at credit.
What's his credit? He needs points in the back end
for him to say.

Speaker 7 (01:49:24):
You know, you spend all this time at the beginning,
before it's even been made in life or death arguments
about what's going to happen in three years down the road,
and then you know, God forbid, the show is successful
and then you're actually able to renegotiate and put that
kind of money in people's But there were so many
instances where my bosses would have points in the back
end where it's like, we won't really want this actor.
We're gonna have to give up a point for him,

(01:49:46):
We're gonna have to give a point for his manager.
All that kind of stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:49:48):
It was just non so when Friends came out. What
did Courtney Cox done besides the Bruce Springsteen video.

Speaker 4 (01:49:53):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:49:54):
She's said like a little.

Speaker 7 (01:49:55):
I think she's like one of those people that we
did work with that they're like in this stream she.

Speaker 4 (01:50:00):
Scream It has been just after Texas Chainsaw Right, she's
in one of those movies that was she.

Speaker 1 (01:50:06):
Was in Scream.

Speaker 4 (01:50:07):
But I know that was isn't she like she's screaming
in one of these movies, right.

Speaker 1 (01:50:12):
She's in Scream? I know Sydney Right, No, that was
that was Cam Campbell, but she was. But I think
that was just on the heels of friends.

Speaker 7 (01:50:20):
But she had just I think she had some I
was just curious she might have been in Seinfeld even
maybe like she had she's one.

Speaker 2 (01:50:26):
Of those people. She was Sinfeld episode.

Speaker 1 (01:50:32):
She was definitely known because of that video, like she
became like yeah, like all of a sudden, people knew that.
That's like what you're you're arguing with. David Schwimmer was
in Wonder Years. He was the boyfriend of the older
sister in Wonder Years. I knew him from that, and
I don't think Kodro or Joey No, Matthew Perry had

(01:50:53):
been in uh like Growing Pains.

Speaker 4 (01:50:55):
It was scream was there? The first thing the Scream
was nineteen ninety so that's after Friends. That's like two
years into Friends. Yeah, the other three I didn't know.
I didn't know anything.

Speaker 1 (01:51:06):
But that's what's annoying.

Speaker 7 (01:51:07):
It's like, here you are, You're in an argument with
the reps from this girl who was in a Bruce
Springsteen music video, and they're trying to hold you over
the barrel for an extra ten k.

Speaker 1 (01:51:17):
That's why I was asking us, like, is that what?
The thing was?

Speaker 8 (01:51:19):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:51:20):
That she was kind? Because she was when you're like
the show was being like in all LIKELI that this
is going to be completely dead, but we're going to
spend the next two weeks in the life for death
argument about three deal points like and Jennifer Anderson, I
only knew because of our father.

Speaker 2 (01:51:34):
I didn't know who's your father?

Speaker 1 (01:51:36):
Johnny Aniston?

Speaker 8 (01:51:37):
He was in.

Speaker 1 (01:51:39):
Another world the days of our last for me. Thanks, So.

Speaker 2 (01:51:47):
I'm I'm on an island here. But I never liked Friends, No,
that was I didn't. I mean I hated all of them.

Speaker 1 (01:51:53):
Oh, the end the end of Friends was almost horrifically bad.
But there was a run.

Speaker 2 (01:52:01):
David Schumer was such a pussy.

Speaker 1 (01:52:03):
They turned him into that though too.

Speaker 4 (01:52:05):
It was like, but that's the point, Marcel the monkey
was literally what the character was, right, but they kind
of made him like, So why I don't like they
made him crazy?

Speaker 1 (01:52:14):
I have to like him.

Speaker 7 (01:52:15):
Yeah, well they slowly, like it's like Kramer, right, like
they slowly just keep turning up the wackiness of that
character and making him crazy.

Speaker 4 (01:52:23):
I was just like friend Matthew Perry.

Speaker 1 (01:52:26):
He didn't like Matthew Perry.

Speaker 4 (01:52:27):
I love Matthew Perry and rip to Matthew Perry, and
he was he just watched the seasons of Friends. He
watched on and off the drugs and it's just tough.

Speaker 2 (01:52:36):
It's tough, Kelly and salt Lake writes in been listening
to for quite a few years, thank you. In the
early years of my listening, I recall hearing something called
freda Palooza. I had an idea, now that Fred lives
on the Cape Long Drive, he should throw another one
Josh themed and have the movies playing on a projector
or TV for the whole party. I would, but people

(01:52:58):
don't want to come down all the way to the cave,
you know, like it's a long drive, and then you
know you want to drink and have fun, so then
you have to put him up. And I'm not doing that.

Speaker 1 (01:53:08):
Back in the day, you didn't carry you just the
old Yeah, you know, remember.

Speaker 4 (01:53:13):
We're crashing on Fred's cap.

Speaker 2 (01:53:16):
I lived ten minutes from the stadium before. Now it's
now it's an hour away.

Speaker 4 (01:53:20):
Cosplay Perry is just you know, in a corner in the.

Speaker 1 (01:53:24):
Ball wouldn't be good.

Speaker 2 (01:53:26):
Paul saying he's never seen The Terminator movies, but thinking
his opinion carries way as hilarious.

Speaker 1 (01:53:32):
I don't think he carries away. I don't I didn't
see it.

Speaker 2 (01:53:35):
I don't have any fog or facts like the other guy.
But I know for sure Paul has to say, has
no say in this conversation.

Speaker 1 (01:53:41):
Yeah, I didn't see the Terminator, so I can't tell
you if it was good or bad. That is one
hundred accurate. It's pretty good. But I can tell you
that Rocky you want to, but I.

Speaker 2 (01:53:49):
Can guarantee you if Paul saw the Terminator, he would
not like it as much as he liked Rocky. Oh,
because you don't like that genre.

Speaker 1 (01:53:57):
I would agree with that that's probably why haven't seen it, right,
I just I'm just basing it on. Like this is
there's one movie that won the Best Picture.

Speaker 2 (01:54:05):
You know, I love the Terminator. A movie like that
to win the Best Picture, it has to overcome a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:54:12):
Of It's just like the science fiction thing or the
comedy thing, which the previous emailer, that Felger factor emailer
is absolutely right. Those movies you have to have like
this profound movie that's like solving all the world's problems
to get nominated for Best.

Speaker 2 (01:54:27):
Pictures, get Best Picture. Yes, yeah, another one where it's
kind of a horror movie. Those kind of movies don't
get nominated by.

Speaker 1 (01:54:36):
Mary elm Street didn't get it?

Speaker 4 (01:54:37):
Now?

Speaker 1 (01:54:37):
Was that a better franchise than Jaws? Like Box Office?
I'm sure it was. Yes, Yes, the thing is Like
I again like I love Terminator. It's one of my
favorite leases.

Speaker 7 (01:54:47):
But if you can tell me that at the end
of Rocky when Adrian runs up on the like, I
still get emotional just thinking about it, even going into
Rocky too, when she's like win, right, like that whole
part when she's in the hospital and wakes up, but
she's like win.

Speaker 1 (01:55:01):
When you see that's where that's where you lose. But
that's the only part I want to bring up. That's
the only part of hockey was growing, because it wasn't until.

Speaker 8 (01:55:08):
That one point.

Speaker 1 (01:55:10):
What are we doing here?

Speaker 4 (01:55:11):
What do you mean boring?

Speaker 7 (01:55:14):
Rocky two was boring except for that part, except for
the part where Adrian wakes up and tells him to
win and the music starts and and Mickey goes but
I'm waiting.

Speaker 2 (01:55:22):
For take it, man.

Speaker 4 (01:55:24):
It's also much Rocky one is a much better movie,
But Rocky two has a much better boxing ending, Like
the fighting is much better.

Speaker 1 (01:55:33):
When have you ever seen a fight where both guys
hit each other and they both go right and one
of them gets up at nine to it's iconic.

Speaker 4 (01:55:40):
What do you mean I've never seen I'm not saying
it's realistic. I'm saying it was better. It was a
better scene, That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 7 (01:55:48):
I've just never seen a boxing fight where guys are
just punched the face, punched the face, back punched the.

Speaker 2 (01:55:51):
Face nine round. I want to show you. I want
to show you.

Speaker 8 (01:55:58):
For that one.

Speaker 2 (01:55:58):
I want to show you.

Speaker 1 (01:55:59):
Rocky three literally comes out like this.

Speaker 4 (01:56:04):
Right his hands are not watching it Paul, it's a movie.
It's not supposed to be Like.

Speaker 1 (01:56:11):
I think the first one was was pretty good, like
when when he hits them with like the the one
shot in the first round of the first one, and
then they flashed to the bar and they're all going crazy, like.

Speaker 4 (01:56:21):
Come on, that was awesome, man, it's awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:56:24):
It's all awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:56:26):
Like I said, for a boy like that to win,
it had to be iconic, it had to be you know,
it's Star Wars. I don't think that gut nominated for
Best Picture, did it? The original Star Wars number number.

Speaker 7 (01:56:40):
Four Terminator Awards there, Yeah, I don't think that got
but box office wise, it was a huge hit.

Speaker 1 (01:56:48):
Huge change change.

Speaker 2 (01:56:49):
You know. It's the same thing with books, Like I
remember in high school, I had this one teacher said
that gone with the win. The novel was a piece
of s h I T whoa, whoa whoa, you know,
like it's bad literature, but everybody wrote read it.

Speaker 15 (01:57:05):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:57:06):
Star Wars didn't get nominated, but yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:57:10):
So Star Wars was nominated for eleven Oscars and won six,
but not the Best Art, Direction, costume, design, Editing, visual effects, sound,
and perhaps most famously, original score. And by John Williams,
but it was snubbed for Best on This Date.

Speaker 2 (01:57:27):
I mean the acting was terrible when I just brought
it up.

Speaker 4 (01:57:31):
Even before the show.

Speaker 2 (01:57:32):
I watched the first Yes, that was a good movie.

Speaker 4 (01:57:42):
They're having like like dinner or something, and Luke just
like storms off like a child.

Speaker 2 (01:57:47):
Like this is a grown band. Well he was going
through things. Yeah. I didn't mean it, But what would
you think about Disney because they owned the franchise now
giving doing a remake of four, five, six?

Speaker 4 (01:58:04):
Oh god, no, no, no, oh god, they've already ruined it.

Speaker 2 (01:58:09):
Enough, okay, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:58:12):
The episode whatever? They just did that nine thing that
still makes me mad. I can't even go back.

Speaker 4 (01:58:17):
I saw that in theaters, like The Last of the
Braves or anything from it. I was appalled, Like I
like was ready to like get up.

Speaker 1 (01:58:25):
And screen the skywater.

Speaker 4 (01:58:29):
It was absolutely a tropan.

Speaker 7 (01:58:31):
It was like they had a fan vote, put the
script together so bad, and we want somehow Palpatines come back.

Speaker 2 (01:58:37):
You can't do that.

Speaker 1 (01:58:38):
You can't say you've got two movies to set this up.

Speaker 2 (01:58:40):
You can't in the middle of the start of the
third movie just be like.

Speaker 1 (01:58:42):
Guess what the bad guy from three movies ago. He's back.

Speaker 4 (01:58:45):
You could have set it up.

Speaker 1 (01:58:49):
Comes back, he's alive and door was good.

Speaker 2 (01:58:54):
All right, that's going to be it for this edition
of Patriots Unfiltered. Tomorrow we've got ot as, so we'll
be out there covering that and we'll have a reaction
to that and catch twenty two tomorrow at two two
o'clock and then we'll be back at our regular time
at noon on Thursday, so we will talk to you then.

(01:59:15):
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