Patriots Unfiltered 5/29: OTA Observations, Stand Out Players, Run Out Music

Tune-in as the PU Crew covers the past two weeks in Patriots Nation. They share their observations on recent practices and the evolution of the team as they head into minicamp in two weeks. They share who their stand out players are and which positional groups can use some depth. Plus, another debate/conversation about music and the Patriots run out song.

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Speaker 3 (00:19):
Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered, On to the Titanic Exhibit.

Speaker 2 (00:25):
Anything sink in.

Speaker 4 (00:27):
Everyone has an opinion on what, you know, if they
ever changed what the Patriots should have for runout music.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
And the problem is they send me these songs.

Speaker 4 (00:35):
Hey, it's you know, Dweebled with you know this song,
and I don't know what it is, so I don't
know if.

Speaker 2 (00:40):
It's good or not.

Speaker 4 (00:40):
It couldn't be the greatest runout song ever. I just
have the time to look up all these songs.

Speaker 5 (00:45):
If you're just going to change into something that just
sounds like crazy train, it's like, well it's already crazy train, so.

Speaker 4 (00:52):
Let's just take enter the salmon that doesn't sound like
crazy train, right, Yeah, I'd go back.

Speaker 2 (00:57):
I like the what is it?

Speaker 6 (00:59):
What is.

Speaker 5 (01:02):
That the music talent?

Speaker 3 (01:12):
I do like crazy Train. I always think I've always
liked it.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
David Schuman was such a pussy.

Speaker 7 (01:17):
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Speaker 2 (01:23):
Com all right, welcome the Patriots unfiltered.

Speaker 4 (01:28):
It is Thursday here at chi Let's Stadium, and uh,
we're going to talk about what we saw yesterday at practice. Right,
that's the big topic of the day. It's Alex, it's Mike,
it's Evan, it's Paul.

Speaker 2 (01:43):
Yeah, people know he was. You get a nice haircut there? Yeah?

Speaker 7 (01:47):
Got a service?

Speaker 2 (01:49):
Are you?

Speaker 3 (01:50):
I'm getting my football today?

Speaker 2 (01:52):
Five? Five years high phone? Do you get a football
for five?

Speaker 3 (01:55):
I don't know. I think so I thought between the two.

Speaker 2 (01:58):
Okay, yeah, so what Deuce is talking about.

Speaker 4 (02:01):
We have annual company service awards, so everybody gathers, they
give us food and people five, ten, fifteen, twenty so
on getting awards for their service.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
Thank you for your service. Twenty five, Yeah, twenty five.
You're up today?

Speaker 3 (02:15):
Yeah you're twenty seven.

Speaker 2 (02:17):
Nice.

Speaker 3 (02:18):
Yeah, yes, it lags behind the little Patriots.

Speaker 4 (02:20):
Mate, I'm thirty, but I'm not being recognized because I
haven't been here thirty four years.

Speaker 1 (02:25):
Right.

Speaker 2 (02:25):
Yeah, anyway, that's an inside joke. So Deuce is all
but it's true.

Speaker 5 (02:30):
Dressed up.

Speaker 2 (02:31):
Deuce is all dressed up for that.

Speaker 8 (02:33):
You guys coordinated, Yes, tell me my favorite color.

Speaker 3 (02:36):
It is kind of an odd color that we both
wore in the same day. Good color, like very spring.

Speaker 2 (02:41):
All right, great, Freddy, So let's let's jump right into it.
We had David Simmer.

Speaker 8 (02:47):
One of choked on your Pepsi one of.

Speaker 4 (02:51):
The open OTAs that we had full access to. So
what stood out to you guys yesterday?

Speaker 2 (02:57):
Let's stood out lots of stuff.

Speaker 7 (02:59):
I mean, I thought it was maybe a little cleaner
as far as Drake may goes with, you know, one
of the interceptions that with the headline from the first
one still some issues though fumbled snap wasn't It doesn't
seem like the offense is really crisp yet, not that
I expect it to be. I would say my big
takeaway hearing from Splaine, who man, he's just intense. I
already told I'm going to be a Roberts Blaine crusher already.

Speaker 3 (03:23):
But he's intense.

Speaker 7 (03:24):
Listening to Christian Ellis talk about him, he's wise, he's funny.
So it seems like he's really like middle linebackers, are
they all the same? Like you know, it's it's the
same kind of vibe as you want Bentley kind of have,
where these guys are just used to being in the
middle used to directing traffic and just liked what I
had to hear from him.

Speaker 3 (03:39):
I think, you know, haven't did a good job. I
read his write up, saw a lot of the same
things he did.

Speaker 7 (03:43):
But it's kind of fun because Paul and I sat together,
but we didn't really talk to you yet, so we
haven't really regrouped on on our thoughts of all the takeaways.

Speaker 3 (03:49):
But a lot of plays, you know, a lot lots
of takeaway I think, I don't.

Speaker 4 (03:52):
I like what s Blaine said about you know what
he tells the line you know you guys can make
you right.

Speaker 2 (03:56):
I'll make you right.

Speaker 3 (03:57):
Yeah, I like that too.

Speaker 2 (03:58):
I like that too. That was good. You know.

Speaker 7 (04:00):
I think Javon Baker some issues with him as well
as jeem Bell, like not running back to the huddle.
And you can see for Abel really wanting guys to
practice with tempo, and for the most part, you see
that throughout the practice there's really good energy.

Speaker 3 (04:14):
Guys are running from drill to drill.

Speaker 7 (04:16):
But when guys, you know, like Javon Baker made a play,
then he kind of paused and flexed a little bit,
and everybody's going back to the huddle and then I
get back to the until we tell you you know,
it's a little bit of what we saw last year
from Baker in that regard.

Speaker 3 (04:29):
And last point I'll just make because I think Kyle
Wims made me a couple of nice catches yesterday.

Speaker 7 (04:33):
Also had a fumble which I think it was after
the whistle though, just kidding, but yeah, so it was.
It was a really lot going on. Good day, good
day not I mean, I don't know that I was.
There's still over some fire where yeah, there wasn't you know.
It's it's not training camp. First a pads come on
kind of practices, they're they're working through stuff.

Speaker 5 (04:53):
Yeah, yeah, I thought that I wrote a right up
about my observations this morning. But Robert Spoay and I
felt like was in the offensive huddle like maybe he's
one of those guys that has great play recognition, and
I think once you start to see the same looks
from the offense over and over again in practice, it
was it was like he was two steps ahead of

(05:13):
everybody to the ball, almost to the point where I
thought maybe he was kind of like knew the plays
before the play was even run. So maybe the that's good,
I mean He definitely flies to the ball, There's no
question about that. I think offensively with Drake May, you're
still seeing maybe a little bit of a learning curve
there with this Josh McDaniels offense, it just doesn't seem

(05:35):
like he's playing fast like it is. The timing of it,
the rhythm of it. The ball is not coming out
as quickly as it was before.

Speaker 4 (05:42):
From what you can tell, and obviously we don't know
the play that they're calling up. Does it look like
it should does the play? Is the play being designed
that it should be that rhythmic get it out of them?

Speaker 2 (05:53):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (05:53):
Like, and at times like yesterday, I thought there were
times where there was maybe some accuracy or just like
miscommunication things going on as well, which is expected this
time of year. But one throw that stood out to
me is he had a little incut to Hunter Henry
that he was early and like sailed it over his head.
And I've seen Drake May make that throw in his sleep.
Like that's a throw that even last year he made

(06:16):
regularly to multiple receivers. You know, that backside dig cut
type of thing. So there's still some ways to go
with that, but it's not like that I don't think
the light is ever going to come on. It's just
more like what we saw from him beginning of last
year in rookie training camp to maybe halfway through the summer,

(06:36):
it started to really click for him. Hopefully this time
around it's you know, it starts to click for him
in July instead of August. But that's sort of where
I feel like we're at it. It feels a little
bit similar to what it did when he first got
in here last year.

Speaker 7 (06:49):
Yeah, so I thought remondros Stevenson looked back out there.
We haven't seen him as father passed away, but I
thought he looked like he's in good shape of a
very brief kind of work at the end when they
were doing walk through stuff.

Speaker 3 (07:01):
I know Bdarda said that too.

Speaker 7 (07:03):
It's hard to tell, Like I hate kind of saying
that stuff because you don't really know, but to me,
it kind of stood out that he looked like he
was in pretty good shape.

Speaker 3 (07:10):
And yeah, I always my takeaways from those kinds of
things are always like the last impression you have of
the players is the end of a grinding season and
then you see them in shorts like in May and June,
and they look quick and fresh and right energetic. You know,
so I understand what your trepidation is to say, like,
it looks like it's in better shit. I agreed. I

(07:31):
thought he looked quick and he was bouncing around a
little bit. But you just wonder, is that just you know,
six months or fresh legs, just a running back, right,
I mean, by the end of that season he is
torn up. Yeah, yeah, but yeah, I would agree with
both both of you guys. I thought it was a
little sloppy again offensively, and I have to think that
that's at least partly hopefully due to just sort of
the transition with with the new system.

Speaker 4 (07:52):
And how about impressions of coaching out there, like coaches
that are involved styles, you know.

Speaker 2 (07:59):
Who's who's most vocal that type of thing.

Speaker 3 (08:02):
I mean, I pumped up Scott Booker.

Speaker 7 (08:04):
I didn't really notice him as much yesterday, to be honest,
not a lot of coaches caught my radar yesterday. One
thing I did say to Paul and maybe you can
you can Evan two. Have we seen that before where
they have the first team offense and defense or the
top guys kind him on the right field running drills,
and then the second team or third team of the
rest of the guys and the defense on the left field,
and they're all in. I'm sorry, the wide receiver, the

(08:25):
Todd downing he was coaching up the offense. I just
I don't remember. Maybe I'm misremembering, but I don't remember
ever seeing two units going at once on simultaneously on
the two fields, So I don't know if I'm.

Speaker 5 (08:38):
Doing it before I seen that. Yeah, yeah, I like
spliad field. Yeah, yeah, I've seen it a little bit now.
Usually it depends on where all the quarterbacks go. And
I think one of the notable things about the way
they've been doing it now is that Drake has been
alone with the starters on one side, and then Dobbs
and Woolridge are on the other field right, So sometimes

(08:59):
you'll see the the starter and the backup quarterback together
on one side of the field, mixing in and then
like the you know.

Speaker 3 (09:06):
Opportunity, opportunity. You've seen that how they ended it yesterday. Yeah,
with May and Dobbs on on the right side. And
I've only seen by himself on the one field, and
I would say that that's what it to me. It's
Bill used to do that instead of simultaneous. Bill would
do it after sort of after practice the opportunity kind.

Speaker 4 (09:25):
Well, I've seen that, but I've also seen like, Okay,
we're not supposed to say who's first team, but we've
seen like first team defense against second team offense on
one side, first team offense with second team.

Speaker 2 (09:37):
Defense on the other side.

Speaker 3 (09:39):
This is different. You're right about that. This is more
like kind of end of the practice walk through stuff.

Speaker 5 (09:45):
Okay, jogging through. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think from the
coaching perspective, just watching McDaniels a little bit, he still
has that that Belichick in him of like I'm just
gonna call players from the sideline and I'm not going
to make corrections. Yeah he does the whistle. Yeah, I'm
not gonna you know, I'm not gonna step in mid
rep and be like no, this is We're gonna correct

(10:07):
all that kind of stuff in the film room, after practice,
in the meeting rooms. There was a point yesterday towards
the end of practice when it was still live that
he was just calling plays like they weren't going off
as script, they weren't going off cards. He was just
with the headset on Drake May and the huddle relaying
plays like you would on game day, and that was
always a big build thing, like we're going to practice

(10:28):
like it's a it's a game, even in May. So
I thought that was interesting that they they're kind of
going back to that a little bit, Whereas the West
Coast coaches last year it was rep corrections, rep corrections,
and it kind of dragged a little bit more, whereas
this one it's like, let's just sequence plays together and
we'll run eight ten plays in a row, and then

(10:50):
we'll take a step back and do corrections and things
like that.

Speaker 7 (10:54):
What about the offensive line, I was just gonna say
that I think there's a big rotation and competition in
left guard. I think that's what's been apparent to me
with the offense through these first couple practices, is that
everybody's in the mix. Some guys are still not healthy,
they're working back, so it's hard to get a true
sense of it.

Speaker 3 (11:09):
But overall, I would say that left guard.

Speaker 7 (11:11):
Competition is very wide open and everybody's going to get
a chance to compete there.

Speaker 3 (11:15):
Same maybe maybe even center to a little bit. Yeah,
I think you're going to have a lot of competition
for those spots.

Speaker 2 (11:20):
Yeah, and.

Speaker 3 (11:23):
There's going to be a lot of competition I think
for like that swing tackle spot too. Yeah, I don't
think that that's a done deal. And you said that
there's some guys working through things. I think Mike mentioned
that before practice yesterday. There's still some guys in various states,
as Bill used to say, of conditioning and whatnot. And
I think Morgan Moses has spent a lot of time

(11:44):
sort of, you know, with the with those guys, you know,
and at the beginning of practice walk through and then
when they do something against the defense, sometimes he's in,
sometimes he hasn't been. There's been a lot of rotation there.
I don't think we saw Kayden Wallace yesterday. Yeah, so
I think that's going to be a big competition to
that swing tackle spot.

Speaker 4 (12:04):
You know, because the current practice rules I think hurt lineman.
What do you think about in the next CBA or
maybe doing an amendment where you can increase the number
of days that linemen both defense and offense can be
in pads. You know, So there's still no there's still
no tackling or anything like that, but at least they're

(12:26):
in pads so they can hit harder and really get
used to you know, practice game speed. Uh and and
get the reps in that they really need to be ready.

Speaker 3 (12:38):
Like what do you think I'm.

Speaker 4 (12:42):
Talking about, like even training camp increasing the number of
bad days for linemen.

Speaker 3 (12:48):
Oh yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 7 (12:49):
I mean, I mean I before, I just I'm sick
of hearing teams complain about how they're not prepared for
the season to start, they're not ready for the physicality
of the league.

Speaker 3 (12:58):
And I don't think they're ever going back.

Speaker 7 (13:00):
I don't think you're going to ever add more physicality
back to the practices.

Speaker 3 (13:03):
I think the NFLPA would.

Speaker 2 (13:07):
Practice it unless you're actually hitting.

Speaker 3 (13:10):
And I just wonder what the culprit is. Is it
practice time or is it the college systems that they're
coming out of. Yeah, And I don't have the answer
because I'm not smart enough to know.

Speaker 2 (13:20):
But even if the college systems are bad, then I
need more practice.

Speaker 5 (13:23):
I would say, you know, it can't hurt to have
more practice. No, no, But I think when we watch
these practices, basically the offensive linemen are like in a
basketball stands, just trying to stay in front of a
guy and like if a guy you know, not that
there's much contact, but like you're obviously going to give
up ground when you're not in pads and you're not

(13:44):
really able to get your hands into somebody and sink in.
So a lot of these quarterbacks all three quarters like
they're throwing from muddy pockets because it's easier to push
the pocket, like it's easier to collapse and even.

Speaker 2 (13:55):
One drills, you can't do that without pads.

Speaker 8 (13:57):
No, they don't know what it's like limiting that time.
Is it like an nflp Yes, yeah, because I don't know.
To me, like, I feel like it would be a
split issue with players, because one they want to be
safe and not get injured. But on the other hand,
if it's if they're at that much of a disadvantage,
I think some guys would have the mentality like, no,
I want to get out there, I want to I
need I.

Speaker 2 (14:16):
Need the reps.

Speaker 4 (14:16):
And you know, I'm not like I'm not saying it's
full tilt, full time for linemen, but at least we
can have a portion of practice where they're in pads
and they're really getting the reps, real reps in that
they need for them and for us to evaluate. So
the reason like how do we like like Okay, open
competition for left guard?

Speaker 2 (14:36):
How do I know who's good right now? You can't?

Speaker 3 (14:39):
Well now, no, no, So there's more than they used
to get.

Speaker 4 (14:42):
No, but I know, but like competition, like, how are
they competing if they're not in pads and they're playing
the way practicing the way they play, how do I know?

Speaker 2 (14:51):
I would?

Speaker 3 (14:51):
I would just say the whole thing with pat and
I get it. You know, everybody, you know it's never
as good as it used to be, right, they have
three opportunities and full pads that most every team doesn't
take any advantage of three preseason games. These guys don't
play in them. So if this is all about pad
you know, time in pads in practice, well there's plenty.

(15:11):
This is sixty minute practice that you just passed up,
and you have three of them, and they generally don't
play more than ten snaps combined. Yeah, so I'm a
little tired of hearing about how they're not ready. It's
just all these poor got like they have an opportunity
to be ready, that's true, and the teams choose not to.
I agree with the team's approach. By the way, I
wouldn't play my start as any significant time in the

(15:33):
preseason either.

Speaker 2 (15:34):
Well, that's why you have those joint practices.

Speaker 3 (15:36):
But I think it's you're not ready. You're not ready,
that's on you.

Speaker 5 (15:40):
Isn't It a little different though for Morgan Moses who's
been in the league for fifteen years. And I don't
need to see Morgan Moses out there really at all,
Like I'll see you week one. But like if you're
a guy that's trying to make the team or trying.

Speaker 3 (15:52):
To generally play in the preseason, right.

Speaker 5 (15:55):
But if you're a rookie that's trying to Will Campbell,
and Will Campbell is trying to figure out the NFL
and the speed of the NFL and all that kind
of stuff, Like you know, he's going to be thrown
into the fire week one. He's gonna start at left
tackle and he might have Max Crosby lined up across
from him week one.

Speaker 3 (16:13):
So if he doesn't play in the preseason, I don't
want to hear about he didn't have enough practices.

Speaker 5 (16:17):
It wasn't really, Yeah, I just that's the difference. Like
where it hurts, I think is the back end of
the roster, guys that you never know, like maybe a
Tyres Robinson, would develop into a starting guard with more opportunities,
But there just isn't enough opportunities to go around right now,
way that the whole thing is set up that he

(16:39):
probably never is going to get that chance. Now. I'm
not saying that Tyre's Robinson's secretly you know, John Hannah,
but like maybe he's a better player than he's given
credit for if he had the opportunities and he had
time to develop.

Speaker 7 (16:50):
I wonder if there's a way to find some nuance
in it, because it seems like it's black and white,
whether it's a padded practice or a non padded practice.
And like, to your point, Fred, what is the real issue?
Is it defense backs tackling in the open field? Is
that what's or is it offensive lineman and defensive lineman
not used to the physicality that happens in the trenches.
Is there a way maybe to your point and kind
of what Alex is saying is to target specific practices

(17:12):
where okay, you know, like it's okay to tackle this one.
It's not a full contact practice, We're not, but today
where there's gonna be two periods where you're allowed to
do trench work or something like that. And I also say,
to Alex's point, is there a way to find some
kind of evidence to tell the players why it might
be beneficial, whether it's injury or just performance.

Speaker 8 (17:31):
I mean, every year, oh linman, lineman in general just
drop like flies. So has it made a tangible difference?

Speaker 2 (17:38):
Right?

Speaker 8 (17:38):
You know, like is it hurting them? Is it helping them?
I don't know if you'll ever be able to actually well.

Speaker 4 (17:44):
They talk about, you know, I'm in shape, but I'm
not in football shape, And to me that means getting hit,
you know, getting the body hardened, you know, from hitting.

Speaker 2 (17:54):
Now I get it.

Speaker 4 (17:54):
OTAs you're gonna have these, you're gonna have mini camp,
then they're gonna be a break. So there's no sense
in getting into football shop shape now because of the break.
But I think once training camp starts, that's my goal
is to get into football shape.

Speaker 8 (18:07):
And that's not to say that the player safety changes
aren't important, like I personally think many of those are.
It's the right line of thinking. But I wonder if,
like the NFLPA took all those guys and just pose
another vote, now that they've seen kind of both sides
of it, how it would fall.

Speaker 5 (18:24):
Well, I think the issue is is. You know, I
brought up Morgan Moses and I'm not saying him specifically
had this opinion. But the veterans are going to feel
differently about this than the young players. And most of
the time, the people that are in charge at the NFLPA,
the players that are representing the players, are veteran guys.
So those veteran players want nothing to do with training
camp like, they don't want to.

Speaker 3 (18:44):
They hate it, and Ian Campbell's probably saying, yeah, let's
go coming right out of LSU, right, this is what
we do with LSU. I want to continue to do it. So,
but you're right, they veterans are the ones with the
louder voices of them.

Speaker 5 (18:56):
Right. So if they're the voices and they're the ones
that are lobbying for certain things, they're gonna lobby for
less contact and practice because they don't want to get hit, right.
But the younger players are the guys that are fringe
roster players that are competing for roster spots, Like, those
guys want to participate, They want to they want to
give it their all and have the.

Speaker 3 (19:15):
Opportunity to tell the young guys this is how we're voting.
This is what you're you vote no on too.

Speaker 4 (19:21):
Sure, yeah, yeah, And you know, I it's you know,
and then you get to the owners and how they're
part of all these negotiations, and you know, I think
their their feeling is listen, you want to practice lest
we don't care as long as it doesn't.

Speaker 2 (19:35):
Affect the bottom line.

Speaker 4 (19:36):
But I think it's shortsighted because the quality of the
game eventually will affect the bottom line. So I do
worry about that long term.

Speaker 5 (19:48):
You know, there's like three teams that think they have
a good offensive line. It's like the Eagles, the Lions,
and and maybe that's it. Everybody else thinks that their
offensive line stinks or has holes on the offensive line,
and then they look around and they're like, well, you're
not developing any offensive linemen like that. That's what it is.

Speaker 1 (20:05):
Like.

Speaker 5 (20:05):
I don't know if it's necessarily just about contact. It's
also about technique, Like playing offensive line is such a
major technique position and it's not a natural technique, like
throwing a football and catching a football is a natural
human like movement. Blocking in the past set is not
a natural like you have to learn.

Speaker 2 (20:25):
That passing camp. Maybe you should have line camp you know.

Speaker 8 (20:28):
I or like special rules for Ricky mini camps where
they can get acclimated like that.

Speaker 5 (20:36):
I don't know, it just it's it's unique, you know.

Speaker 4 (20:39):
So maybe some type of exception for the lineman to
do a little bit more contact along the way.

Speaker 5 (20:46):
I would have them play in the spring leagues. Like
not not Will Campbell, but like if you're like the UFL, Yeah,
if you were a lineman that was the fifty third
guy or as a practice squad guy last year, would
allow maybe you have some sort of you know, agreement
waiver or something like that in case of injury, but

(21:06):
I allow allow those players to go get live in
game developmental reps in in the spring league and allow
them to go it that way. We talk about this
on Catch twenty two all the time. We feel like
this is like something that could really benefit both sides.
And then like Siko's like Bart and I would like
watch you know, the practice squad Patriot Tigers development for

(21:28):
the Utah breakdowns of like you know, this guy's on
like the BattleHawks or whatever, and like you know, Efton
Chisholm's catching like ten passes a game for whatever team.
I just there'd be interest from that angle, but also
I think it would help in the long run with development.

Speaker 3 (21:46):
Does sports have the UFL like inside and out?

Speaker 5 (21:48):
Is he?

Speaker 3 (21:48):
I mean, is he He's.

Speaker 8 (21:49):
All over the tea?

Speaker 5 (21:51):
Yeah, definitely. Yesterday we were talking about this exact thing
in terms of letting the players go in and I
asked him. I was like, how many teams are in
the UFL? Eight? Yeah, I couldn't even. He was like,
but I think they might be ten next year and
I was like ten. He knows the scuttle how many
players And apparently like Dwayne the Rock Johnson is like
the owner right now, like he's the money behind it.

(22:12):
And yeah, it's all news too.

Speaker 3 (22:15):
I know Barth likes golf, so is this eating into
his spring golf time?

Speaker 2 (22:18):
Like it was?

Speaker 3 (22:19):
He like, oh, great, spring football. I have something to
do on Saturdays.

Speaker 9 (22:21):
Now.

Speaker 3 (22:22):
I don't know myself watching a series or two of
every game when they're on, just like clicking around. I
don't stick with it. It's not great. And the fact
that there's absolutely nobody there it takes away till you
know what I mean.

Speaker 5 (22:35):
I can't help about the attendance, but in all serious watch.

Speaker 2 (22:39):
A game there's no one there watching else.

Speaker 4 (22:41):
I felt that way in twenty twenty. I'd rather watch
collegiate softball.

Speaker 3 (22:45):
Than spring collegiate unbeliever.

Speaker 5 (22:47):
Yeah, but in all seriousness, people like me and people
like Bartha you know real siccos if you put Patriots
players that are on the Patriots ninety man roster into
the spring league and it was like a pipeline to
the NFL, we'd have we'd probably right up about it.

Speaker 3 (23:05):
Like I wouldn't. I would have. I wouldn't watch it
anymore than I do. But I like your you know,
because I think there's a lot of guys. There's a
lot of NFL names. If you click it on and listen,
you're going to hear two or three names that you
know in the NFL. Maybe you like Keem Butler, Remember
Keen Butler from Iowa.

Speaker 5 (23:24):
Yeah, but he's not on a ninety man rock.

Speaker 3 (23:25):
I'm just saying there are NFL names. They don't make
me want to watch anymore.

Speaker 2 (23:29):
Like C J.

Speaker 3 (23:30):
Marrabel, Yeah, I didn't like.

Speaker 5 (23:32):
I wasn't necessarily.

Speaker 3 (23:35):
So Tyree Robinson again, you know, all drew respect to
Tyreus Robinson. His presence on the Birmingham Stallions isn't going
to make me watch that game anymore than you.

Speaker 5 (23:42):
Know, I'd be looking for the All twenty two.

Speaker 4 (23:44):
But you know, next year, it would be next year,
if if, if they if the players, if it was
the player's option, and Kyle Williams wanted to play spring
ball next year, would you watch me?

Speaker 3 (23:55):
No, I mean I would watch like I do now.
You know in passing, Oh, I would be men the
mini Patriots and you had like an HL that's different,
like a spring that would be different. I'd be more
wrapped because that's but that's my job. But that would
be tough to do. I think there's not I think
that really what we're talking about. You know, I brought
up like Chisholm, like right, we were talking about guys

(24:18):
that are like the sixth or seventh receiver on a
ninety man roster that maybe having some live game reps
against other you know, pseudo pros.

Speaker 5 (24:27):
It's kind of like the Senior Bowl. I absolutely love
have that opportunity.

Speaker 8 (24:32):
Yeah, me and Matis did one of these questions on
p U extras and you actually kind of changed my mind.

Speaker 5 (24:37):
Wow, We've kicked around this idea for years.

Speaker 3 (24:43):
Because as a minor league. Yeah, I absolutely love that idea.
I just I mean in terms of general I mean,
if there was a Patriots centric team, you know, so
there's thirty you know, I want to be Patriots on it.

Speaker 2 (24:56):
Now.

Speaker 3 (24:56):
I'm watching that because that's part.

Speaker 2 (24:58):
Of my job.

Speaker 5 (24:59):
Like the age.

Speaker 8 (24:59):
It's like you you.

Speaker 3 (25:00):
Said, the college I'd rather watch college softball in the
preseason games too.

Speaker 2 (25:05):
We have that, listen, you know.

Speaker 4 (25:07):
To take that idea to the next level, if every
NFL team had a farm team and you played those games,
you know it's a shortened schedule, eight games or whatever,
and you played those games in their facility, I think
people would.

Speaker 2 (25:21):
Come out and watch that.

Speaker 3 (25:22):
They'd be more, they'd be more.

Speaker 5 (25:23):
I think it'd be tough to do to have all
thirty two teams have a farm team just because of
sheared numbers, like when they have enough players to field teams.
But I think that you could probably do something where,
you know, maybe half a dozen.

Speaker 2 (25:37):
Players had a team.

Speaker 5 (25:39):
Sure, yeah, now we're talking. Yeah. And the other thing
that we threw around was, you know, putting them in
schemes that they're going to be running.

Speaker 3 (25:47):
That's why you right, But.

Speaker 5 (25:51):
Like let's say instead of the AFC East team, like
let's say one of them is one team is running
like the Shanahan West Coast and one of them is
running the McDaniel ZP system and the others running the
Andy Reid West Coast, and then those teams can send
their players to those specific teams. So like the Miami
Dolphins could say we're gonna we're going.

Speaker 8 (26:10):
To sending your guy to a train.

Speaker 3 (26:13):
Yeah, but I think Evans Evans playing could work. I
think if you gave it, you know that there's some
things that you'd have to iron out. But what if
you have what did you say, a dozen or so? Yeah,
so let's just let's just say it's ten to fifteen
players from every team, and then you fill it in
with the rest of the players that are playing now
right exactly right right.

Speaker 2 (26:32):
Not every team has to be on a.

Speaker 3 (26:35):
Right right, So you're not going to fill it with
you know, thirty five or forty guys, because you know,
ninety man roster, there's not that many guys that are
fighting for an NFL job. But you take a dozen
or so guys that you know would be benefiting from that,
and then you put them in with all the guys
that are playing now right. Yeah, you could have a

(26:56):
league and they would be more interested in that league
than there is now.

Speaker 4 (27:00):
I also want to talk about a story that you posted,
I think it was yesterday on Ted Harper. Our nutrition
is really good stuff.

Speaker 8 (27:08):
You thank you.

Speaker 2 (27:09):
Ted's been a guy who's been with the team.

Speaker 4 (27:11):
For like twenty years now, fourteen fourteen, and always you know,
what's that?

Speaker 2 (27:19):
What's that?

Speaker 3 (27:19):
He said?

Speaker 5 (27:19):
Thanks for reading.

Speaker 4 (27:22):
I just I'm just going off. You know, I did
actually read it. But we don't hear a lot from him.
I know we didn't do your Job video of him
years ago that did very well on YouTube, but in
terms of the anecdotes that he shared with you, I'd
never heard of that sty either.

Speaker 8 (27:41):
And honestly, my first week here on the job, I
pitched a story with Ted at that point because it
was his tenth season and I just wanted to hear
about kind of how the evolution of like player mentality
around nutrition had changed, because I mean, back in the day,
everyone looked at Tom Brady and his avocado ice cream
like he was a Martian, right, But now I think

(28:03):
it's more in vogue to be thinking about that stuff.
So I had always wanted to just kind of talk
to him about that stuff, and Ted and I spoke
for almost two hours just on the phone in the
initial call, and then that's not even including like the
back and forth we had on email, like almost for
a full week following that. But some really cool stories
I had never heard, Like I didn't I think, like

(28:24):
I had heard that High Tower had food poisoning before
the Super Bowl against the Rams, but it was kind
of like a small thing after the fact, but like
he had full blown food poisoning, like a few days
before Super Bowl fifty three, and him and Ted were
just tied at the hip, like monitoring every calorie, all
the hydration that went into him, and you would have

(28:45):
never known watching that game. Really cool stuff about Patrick Chung.
How Chung was like so versatile for the defenses, and
part of it was because he was working with Ted
any given week to either drop to match up with
like a fast, agile like receiver like tight end, or

(29:05):
if he was playing in the box, he would bulk
up a little bit to take on like those blocking
tight end matchups. And there's just so much cool side.

Speaker 4 (29:12):
I thought it was interesting the whole thing with Brady.
When Brady decided himself, okay, I'm gonna start worrying about.

Speaker 8 (29:19):
My nutrition more.

Speaker 2 (29:20):
You know.

Speaker 4 (29:21):
Before TV twelve, he went to Ted and sort of
felt him out, and Ted said that he kind of
felt like he was being tested.

Speaker 2 (29:28):
Like yeah, do I trust this guy?

Speaker 8 (29:29):
Yeah, because after Brady got hurt, that's when he started
taking that stuff seriously. And then Ted comes in maybe
three seasons after, so you're right, like he was like
almost testing him, like asking questions one because I think
Tom was genuinely really curious, but also like is this
guy legit?

Speaker 2 (29:45):
Does he know?

Speaker 8 (29:45):
And like he's so legit? I had no clue that
he used to work with Special Operations Forces, right he was.

Speaker 3 (29:52):
That's the one factor what I knew.

Speaker 8 (29:53):
Yeah, like the one dietitian for the US Army special
ops like bad as a mother efforts, you know, like
just and then that was a job he kind of
stumbled to didn't know if you wanted to get into
sports or not, but was really happy doing what he
was doing. And then just went to a conference and

(30:14):
Bear's Nigerian happened to be there once and they were like, hey,
we'd love for you to interview, and he said turned
them down because he thought it would be disrespectful to
the Army and the guys he was working with, and
I think they the Patriots tried to get him every
single day of that conference to interview, and then he
finally did and got the job.

Speaker 2 (30:31):
And he just won an award.

Speaker 8 (30:35):
Yes, the Association for Professional I'm going to mess up
the acronym. It's the Association for Professional Sports Dieticians for
both pro sports tactical athletes college sports. They have big
conferences every year. So he won the Excellence Award, which
is I think like one of the five there's five

(30:55):
awards they give out, but that's definitely the top one.
And it was kind of cool because it was a
full circus, full circle moment because his first time attending
that conference in twenty twelve was where he met Beers,
So then now he was back winning that award.

Speaker 2 (31:11):
Good stuff.

Speaker 4 (31:12):
Yeah, so I highly recommend that article on Patriot dot com.

Speaker 7 (31:16):
Did any of his food philosophies conflict with like some
kind of notion, I know, you have a lot of like, oh,
we're geeking out.

Speaker 8 (31:24):
I think yeah he was. I think he There was
one question I asked him about just kind of like
the technology they're using. This is stuff that's like super technical,
so it didn't make it into the article. But I
was just asking him about like dexter scans and what
technology they use, and like c cgm's continuous glucose monitors
and I brought up CGMS. She was like, oh wow,

(31:44):
I'm surprised you know what that is. And I was like,
you know, there you go.

Speaker 2 (31:50):
Yeah, I would say you need an assistant.

Speaker 3 (31:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (31:53):
I was like, Ted, I could talk to you all
day and he was like, well, you know, I'm right
down the hall from you. And I was like, yeah,
don't open that invite to because.

Speaker 2 (32:03):
They don't understand that. Up until this year.

Speaker 8 (32:05):
Well that's what we were not talking about. We were
not allowed to. I've been wanting to talk to you
for four years now, and.

Speaker 7 (32:13):
Uh, you could do okay, but I feel like he'd
be like, what are we having for lunch today?

Speaker 8 (32:21):
Italian I was like joking with the idea. I don't
I forget who I was talking to, but it would
be funny to have him come in and like get
us all on a or judge because the first the
first assignment Bill gave him Day one of the job
was go up to Vince Wilfork judge his plate and
tell him what's wrong with it, and like that was

(32:43):
literally I don't even know if he signed the paperwork yet,
and he had to go meet with will Fork and
like that's kind of an intimidating thing, right, get out
of my face, Right, it's ris At first, I think
Vince was like, well, that's what I told him. I
was like, it's so funny that it's Vince because in
my hometown he did a sponsorship with Big Y, So
growing up there was always a big billboard of Vince

(33:05):
will Fork on a Big Y like ad with the
Superbird or whatever. It was like fried chicken. So that's
what I kept thinking about. But at first will Fork
was like, who the f is this dude? But then
they find out, like, okay, they're asking him questions. He's
super knowledgeable. And not only that, but like he's coming
from working with some of the baddest people on the planet,

(33:27):
you know, like absolute warrior soldiers. So they respected them,
and then Vince ended up being one of his favorite
guys and they had a great relationship together.

Speaker 5 (33:35):
And would.

Speaker 3 (33:41):
Yes, I think there's ever been a vegetable here unless
it was on a meatball.

Speaker 2 (33:44):
Siam.

Speaker 3 (33:46):
Wow, that's.

Speaker 5 (33:51):
Deep cut yeah, him judging our dietary choices, I think
would be well, Paul would do great for a while.

Speaker 3 (34:01):
There not anymore, back off the wagon. I'm off that
it was. It was good. Awaken one Eddy worked for me,
It absolutely worked for him.

Speaker 2 (34:09):
Yeah, sure, has you have to buy a whole new wardrobe.

Speaker 8 (34:12):
Yeah, I know we haven't really seen you in the
short sleeps.

Speaker 4 (34:15):
Yet, but I said, what are you wearing?

Speaker 8 (34:20):
I said, you wear medium large, but it's still hanging
swimming in it.

Speaker 2 (34:24):
Yeah I used to.

Speaker 3 (34:25):
I mean I went from excel to to regular large.

Speaker 8 (34:28):
Well, you could tell you lost in your sweatshirts and
like your quartersip half zips. Excuse me that you're aware,
but I saw it. But the T shirts, it's different.
You really get the full.

Speaker 5 (34:39):
From you from one of the preseason games that Pat
McAfee shared a make sure of you remember that. Yeah,
and and like you look like a different person, Like
he really doesn't like we see you all the time,
so it's like, yeah, you have to.

Speaker 3 (34:53):
See the same. No, that would have been you. You
could have given him your ted, your your care dentials,
because remember when you set me straight on my dietary things.
When you're like that's not right. This is not right.

Speaker 10 (35:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (35:06):
I had a lot of critiques of it, waging one.

Speaker 2 (35:09):
I think Ted would feel like, say, if if we
get you the hair, you'll be like in your forties.

Speaker 8 (35:13):
Again, listen, if you change your mind, Ted is open
like that. Ted is open to more content. He told
me that to do your job video in particular, he
was really hesitant to do that at first and didn't
want to.

Speaker 3 (35:26):
And then so that's what I would say to Ted, like,
we've tried to do a lot of different things over
the years, and he individually now that may have been
due to pressure from Bill Bears.

Speaker 8 (35:36):
And I think he's just the behind the scenes guy too.
Didn't want the spotlight, not want to be in the
spot But he told me that.

Speaker 2 (35:41):
Can you blame him on that regime, That's what I said.

Speaker 3 (35:44):
I don't know if that was from pressure from Bill
and maybe he feels a little bit more comfortable.

Speaker 8 (35:48):
Well, he told me that Ultimately he's really glad he
did it because constantly, like whether he's speaking at a
class at Purdue or at another university, and then even
at that conference where he won the award, countless young
r d's and students go up to him and say,
I saw the video of the Patriots did on you
and it made me want to be a sports nutritionist.

(36:08):
So he said it was like a blessing that he
did decide.

Speaker 3 (36:11):
To do it.

Speaker 2 (36:13):
That I said, that's contents changed exactly.

Speaker 4 (36:16):
It really is exactly butterfly effect mission accomplished.

Speaker 8 (36:20):
That one, and that do your Job video still does
numbers like what six? How how long would you guys
do that?

Speaker 7 (36:27):
It's always like the tops the top, one of the
played ones in Germany.

Speaker 3 (36:32):
Yeah, we've been doing we've been doing.

Speaker 2 (36:36):
This stuff good. So that's good, good stuff.

Speaker 3 (36:41):
I did have the Schitz.

Speaker 2 (36:44):
And I think I think, you know, I think Rabel
it's it's pretty apparent to me that he's he's very
open and eager to let these guys have their moment
in the sun.

Speaker 8 (36:58):
Stuff we've been doing with equipment guys. Yeah, like that's
probably my next story. Pitch is like to talk to
Devin and because you every sailor, every TikTok sailor does
with Devin, the comments are just how do I get
this job? You know, like all those little behind the
scenes people that you don't even there's so many jobs
in sports people don't even realize, you know, beyond just

(37:20):
the front facing ones.

Speaker 5 (37:21):
So yeah, those equipment guys, man, I mean that is
a hard job. It is like we see them on
the road and they they're at the stadium the night
before the game untill like ten to eleven o'clock. Then
they're six am the next morning to like get the
locker room ready and get everything done. Like they like
don't sleep like during the season.

Speaker 4 (37:40):
And you talk about a job that where you're totally
there for someone else. Yeah, like you have to know
the needs of every player. Like this guy likes this
type of socks. This guy likes to wear, Yeah these
you know this cleve, he likes this face mask for
his helmet.

Speaker 8 (37:57):
They get rookies and free agents and they already know
what helmet they wore, what the specifications of their cleats were,
like coming in. It's just ready for them, like, oh,
we talked what we got you.

Speaker 5 (38:09):
This isn't like basketball or more than fifty three where
there's like fifteen guys on the team. We're talking about
them outfitting like sixty five seventy guys, you know, including
the practice squad. Like that's it's a lot of people.

Speaker 2 (38:21):
It's a lot of work.

Speaker 5 (38:22):
Yeah, a lot of work.

Speaker 2 (38:23):
Do they do the laundry to the equipment they do?
They do, I mean that alone, not the.

Speaker 8 (38:28):
Main guys, but the little their minions do. But not
to call those guys because they're great.

Speaker 2 (38:33):
But yeah, yeah, I mean that that alone is a
full time job.

Speaker 5 (38:37):
I know. It's crazy. Yeah, it's crazy, just like a
tide pods.

Speaker 2 (38:42):
How many tide pods do they go through each year?
I'd like to know that there's a.

Speaker 3 (38:45):
Lot of plastic in those tide pods. Fred, they have
the giant dispenser's attached to the machines. They're not throwing
tie pots.

Speaker 2 (38:52):
Oh no, speed queens.

Speaker 5 (38:53):
I was.

Speaker 3 (38:54):
I was actually a clubby for the well.

Speaker 8 (38:56):
I hope they have speed speed because that's not heavy
duty cleaning.

Speaker 5 (39:01):
Yeah, we should find out.

Speaker 4 (39:03):
Okay eight five to five past five hundred is the
hotline podcasts at patriots dot com. Is the email address
if you want to subscribe to our newsletter. Uh, it's
patriots dot com slash pu newsletter. We've got one coming
out tomorrow that you're getting ready, Alex.

Speaker 2 (39:21):
So you've been busy really excited for that one, are you? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (39:26):
I think my War of sounds really going to resonate
with the fans.

Speaker 2 (39:28):
Okay, personal world.

Speaker 4 (39:32):
Going back to yesterday's practice, Kylon Pembroke writes in Big
Story on Paul's shows yesterday and Today, is that Dobbs
had a better day than May. Really, the veteran quarterback
who has been doing this for a while is quicker
and learning a new offense. You don't say to me
this is such a non issue, shaking my head.

Speaker 2 (39:49):
What do you all think? Did he in fact have
a better day?

Speaker 3 (39:53):
It's a rare thing that I that I don't agree
with either side, Yeah, right, Like I don't think there's
any reason that Joshua Dobbs should be further along in
this offense than Drake May. I don't think because he's
been in the league for a few years. He hasn't
been in this offense for a few years, so I
don't I think they started at the same level. But
I also don't necessarily think. I mean, I thought Dobbs

(40:15):
made some good throws, standout throw, So I guess if
you technically wanted to say he looked better, I think
you could probably. It's one of those semantic things, like
you could probably say that that's true, But I think
I think the offense looks.

Speaker 2 (40:27):
Sloppy right now.

Speaker 3 (40:29):
I don't think it looked all that much better with
Dobbs than it did with May.

Speaker 2 (40:32):
Now.

Speaker 3 (40:33):
I do think there was some hesitation, and I extrapolate
that from being mental on Drake's part. I know people
don't want to hear the hitch thing and they get
tired of this. But I do think it looks like
he's thinking a lot as he's going through his stuff,
and I think Evan illustrated that at the top with
his observations about the throw is not necessarily looking like

(40:54):
they were on time, and with Dobbs it probably did
look a little bit better. Yeah, I just incrementally.

Speaker 5 (41:00):
I think, like saying who had the better day in
May is just crazy, like based off of what And
you know, Dobbs probably had the best throw to Kyle
Williams down the sideline on the go route, But like
Kyle Williams also beat his guy and got open and
gave him a chance to make the throw. So if
Drak's that.

Speaker 2 (41:17):
Catch though, yeah, it may have a chance to throw
to Williams.

Speaker 5 (41:21):
A couple but he's definitely was more with Dobbs. But
like if Kyle Williams had ran that exact route in
that exact matchup and and got by the behind the
defense in the exact same way, then Drake may probably
would have put the ball on him too. Like it
was I throw an NFL quarterback as should be able
to make.

Speaker 7 (41:39):
The route reminded me of the Combine when they do
that drill where they're you know, you got to stay back, yeah,
at the ball coming, and Kyle Willams just did a
great job adjusting, so he's he's around. I mean, I
just like seeing guys that that show up. It's unfortunately
like Polk was last year, where you know he's making
some catches.

Speaker 3 (41:53):
Actually, I wanted to ask Evian a little bit.

Speaker 7 (41:55):
I love reading other people's stuff afterwards because there's so
much going on you don't feel like you get to
see everything. But you pointed out Craig Woodson, who I
didn't really clock yesterday, and I was just I know
you had some nice things to say about him.

Speaker 3 (42:05):
I'm just curious what you saw.

Speaker 5 (42:06):
Yeah, I mean, I admit I wasn't super high on
that pick. I thought that they reached a little bit
on that pick, and it's way too early to determine
it one way or the other. But he's probably been
the rookie that has surprised me the most throughout this
whole process so far. I just I think that he's
got a really good instinctual feel for the game, especially

(42:28):
in zone coverage, you know, help coverage, whether he's playing
over the top or he's playing your robber, second level
coverage and zone and he's got just a good feel
for it. And I feel like that's not necessarily a
strength of Dugger or Jabriel Peppers in terms of playing
in space and playing deep in the deep part of
the field. So if he can do something like that

(42:50):
at an NFL level, then those guys can then go
do what they do best and they can go after
the football and be a little bit more aggressive. But
with with with Woodson yesterday, I think it was it
was Dobbs who's playing quarterback, might have been May, but
there was like a an indcut over the middle of
the field and he just was sitting right in the

(43:11):
passing window and it made him they had the quarterback.
I had ended up having to airmail it at the
last second because he kind of baited him and uh
then he had to airmail it and it was like,
that's a good, like, heady play for a guy that's
two weeks into this as a rookie, so not ready
to you know, put put him in the red jacket
or anything yet. But there's one of you know, I

(43:32):
kind of expected to be impressed by Traveon Henderson. I
kind of expected to be impressed by Kyle Williams, you know,
Will Campbell, those guys I figured would stand out at immediate,
you know, first impression. But Craig Woodson, I would say,
has been the other rookie that's that's kind of made
a little bit of an impression.

Speaker 4 (43:48):
Okay, let's go to the phones. We'll go to Chris
in New Hampshire. Hey, Chris.

Speaker 2 (43:55):
Great Hey, does.

Speaker 11 (43:56):
Anyone know that he can hear me?

Speaker 2 (43:58):
Yep?

Speaker 11 (44:00):
Yeah, Did anyone know if Juwan Bentley got signed? I've
been looking at can't find.

Speaker 5 (44:04):
No, he's still a free agent.

Speaker 3 (44:05):
Yeah, I think injury digs. Does he see one of those.

Speaker 11 (44:08):
Two people that got cut that disagreed with the other?
One is does Ron Mayo have a job?

Speaker 3 (44:14):
No, No, I don't know where Gerrod Mayo.

Speaker 11 (44:16):
Is, all right? And the last question is was Mayo
a Hall of Fame candidate? For the Patriots before coaching.

Speaker 2 (44:24):
I don't think so, but probably the way everyone gets in.
But I don't I don't think you get a red jacket.

Speaker 3 (44:30):
They'll get a red jacket. Everything not in my book, No,
he wouldn't.

Speaker 11 (44:34):
Do you think his coaching disaster have a railed that path?

Speaker 3 (44:38):
No? No, really, no, I don't. I mean no, he
be he'd be judged as a player, not as a coach.
Defensive rookie of the year, don't.

Speaker 5 (44:45):
I don't know.

Speaker 10 (44:45):
I mean he was.

Speaker 11 (44:47):
I was never a big fan of him either way.
But as a player he was just kind of there. Yeah,
And as a coach he was an object disaster.

Speaker 3 (44:54):
So a lot of people think that Troy Brown was
part of the problem with wide receivers. He's been a
wide receiver a coach for the last several years, and
the wide receivers didn't develop, didn't seem like they were
all in the same page, didn't seem like running the
proper routes. I don't think that's taken away from his
Hall of Fame status. You know, as a player, I
think I think you're you're judged as a player, not
as a coach.

Speaker 5 (45:15):
Being a head coach ian Yeah, but Mike Rabel it
didn't work out, and we wouldn't be saying that Mike
Rabel shouldn't be in the Patriots Hall of Fame.

Speaker 3 (45:23):
Yeah, it just Rabel got fired as a as a Titan.

Speaker 5 (45:27):
I'm just saying, but he wasn't.

Speaker 2 (45:29):
But but he was already in the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 4 (45:32):
Let's just say that if he wasn't to say that
Mike Rabel was more of a disaster than Gerrod Mail.
And he wasn't in the Patriots Hall of Fame, but
he was nominated with the fans vote for.

Speaker 5 (45:44):
Maybe the fans wouldn't vote maybe, Yeah, but it wouldn't
imagined that it wouldn't. It wouldn't take away from his candidates.

Speaker 2 (45:50):
I couldn't imagine the fans not getting Vinetarian this time.

Speaker 3 (45:53):
But I but you had Julian Edelman next time.

Speaker 2 (45:56):
I know.

Speaker 7 (45:56):
I'm still like I'm talking about because he was, okay,
a failed coach.

Speaker 3 (46:00):
Yeah, like you're judging them on as.

Speaker 5 (46:02):
I agree, But I was more thinking of it along
the lines of, like what the committee vote him as
a finalist, because what the fans vote for is what
the fans vote for, But like, would he be worthy
of being in.

Speaker 2 (46:14):
That I think I think the Committee would still nominate him.

Speaker 5 (46:17):
Well, I don't no doubt then I don't think that
maybe in the public court of public opinion it would
hurt his status. But I'm really more concerned about who
the committee actually nominates because I think they know a
little bit more they do, But.

Speaker 4 (46:29):
The fans are the ones that get him in ultimately. Yeah,
So all right, thanks Chris, appreciate the call. I smell
my food, so I don't have COVID and I'm ready
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Speaker 2 (46:41):
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Speaker 1 (48:29):
Hi, how are you good? Hi? Karen Mike.

Speaker 15 (48:37):
A video of Stefon Diggs has gotten a lot of
traction in the last twenty four hours or so. He's
on a boat having a good time. But the question
comes in as to a certain substance that people are
guessing what is and isn't. Is this something that the
team has to look into.

Speaker 9 (48:56):
Well, it's something that we're aware of, and obviously we
want to make great decisions on and off the field,
and we're hoping that with our time here on the
field today and that when we don't have a script
and we're on the call up periods, that we're making
great decisions.

Speaker 1 (49:10):
And so the message will be the same.

Speaker 9 (49:12):
For all our players that we're trying to make great decisions,
and any conversations that I've had with Stefan will remain
between him.

Speaker 1 (49:19):
And I and the club have him since the video.
I talked to our.

Speaker 9 (49:23):
Players every single day, the ones that are here and
the ones that aren't.

Speaker 2 (49:27):
Are you expected in practice today, Mike?

Speaker 1 (49:30):
Not if he's not here. So he's not here, you
guys will find out in a minute.

Speaker 2 (49:35):
But no, again, he was here last week.

Speaker 3 (49:40):
Video.

Speaker 9 (49:41):
Everything that we're going to do, Karen is we're going
to coach the guys that show up at eight and
the ones that say, hey, I got a situation will.

Speaker 1 (49:46):
Be at eight oh five. We'll coach those as well.

Speaker 9 (49:49):
Uh, this is a voluntary part of our off season program.
And uh, every player that's not here, which there aren't many,
have been in communication with me and their position coaches.

Speaker 15 (50:00):
I was just going to ask, based on what you've
seen from the times he's been around, how would you
say he's progressing.

Speaker 1 (50:08):
Again?

Speaker 9 (50:08):
The timelines and the prognosis and and everything at Again,
we're working hard to get him back and to be
ready to go. But you know when when uh, when
he's when he's here, we'll coach him and we'll have
everything ready to go.

Speaker 1 (50:22):
Updates on.

Speaker 4 (50:25):
Uh.

Speaker 9 (50:26):
No, just that he continues to to like our players
work hard to get.

Speaker 1 (50:29):
Back and uh excited to have him back again.

Speaker 9 (50:32):
The communication that that I see every day with him
and the players.

Speaker 1 (50:37):
In their meetings and in the Zoom meeting, and.

Speaker 9 (50:40):
I know that he's excited and hopefully we'll get him
back here sooner rather than later.

Speaker 6 (50:46):
Last time we were out here for practice, Drake had
a few interceptions.

Speaker 1 (50:51):
Do you care how do you view moments like that?

Speaker 4 (50:54):
Well?

Speaker 1 (50:54):
I care? I think that.

Speaker 9 (50:59):
I care about it, every player's performance, and that we
continue to improve and that there has been great improvement.

Speaker 1 (51:04):
Over you know, the day.

Speaker 9 (51:06):
Everybody's going to have a bad day, and there's a
lot of reasons that, you know, go into it.

Speaker 1 (51:11):
We're not going to analyze every single practice.

Speaker 9 (51:13):
And and have explanations for for things that came up.
But the command, the operation, all those things have continued
to improve. And in sound who asked me, but you
know what I thought would be a successful day?

Speaker 1 (51:31):
And then sure enough I told you those things weren't
going to happen.

Speaker 9 (51:34):
So hopefully the operation, the communication today, the execution has
got to be better. We only have so many of
these opportunities, and uh, and I'm hopeful that in front.

Speaker 1 (51:48):
Of us the crowd of media, that we have a
better day.

Speaker 7 (51:51):
Do you feel like the defense, it's fair to say
at this point, is further along in their install and
process in the offense.

Speaker 8 (51:58):
And if so is how big is the gap?

Speaker 9 (52:00):
Then well, I don't think that they're further along. I
think that it's probably I have not This is hard.
This is a hard time in the spring to when
every pass play is you know, third and ten. I mean,
it's just their their pass rushing and their pressure and
they're blitzing, which is great. They we have to be
able to block and see everything. But it is a

(52:21):
passing camp and it didn't take the Kean and k
C and Christian and Milt and Harold long to figure
that out.

Speaker 1 (52:29):
So it's it's kind of is what it is, which
is good. And then again they know how to practice.
We have to be able to.

Speaker 9 (52:35):
Speed and pass rush and then stay away from the quarterback,
get out of the way, stay off the ground, all
those things that they've been able to do over the
course of you know, the first four OTAs.

Speaker 5 (52:45):
However, Laundring was we talked about it last week.

Speaker 3 (52:47):
He was absent and then we saw a photo post
by the team that he was back at practice.

Speaker 1 (52:51):
Just what was it like to get.

Speaker 5 (52:52):
Him back in the mix of things.

Speaker 1 (52:54):
Well, it's great to have everybody here.

Speaker 9 (52:56):
I want to support him through this process the best
that we can, and that's probably a little bit more difficult.
He doesn't know us as well, and so his communication
I appreciate it, and you know, but it's great to
have him back and then we'll kind of work them
along make sure that he's ready to get out there.
So I don't know how much you'll see him in

(53:17):
some of the live team action. I don't think that's
fair to him to just throw him back out there.
But there's certainly a return to play, like a lot
of players will have throughout the course of the year.

Speaker 3 (53:27):
You have receiver, a lot of new faces on the
team this year, players coaches?

Speaker 9 (53:31):
How much of a focus this spring is team building
and just getting guys to learn each other because there are.

Speaker 2 (53:36):
So many new basins.

Speaker 1 (53:38):
I think that's important.

Speaker 9 (53:39):
I think the execution is also important, the ability to
work with another player out on the field, a guy
next to you. Linemen are going to move around, have
to pop in a different position, Quarterbacks are going to
have to throw to different players. But I certainly think
that part of this process of playing this game is
about building relationships and connections with players and coach is alike.

Speaker 2 (54:01):
Will you have a.

Speaker 1 (54:02):
Leading voice in Drake's development this year?

Speaker 15 (54:04):
Something that.

Speaker 9 (54:06):
I would have, I hope a voice in every player's
development on our football team.

Speaker 1 (54:11):
Is it generally like what would it be like? You
would it be Josh? Do you guys have sort of
one voice that's going to take the leader or is
it going to be.

Speaker 9 (54:18):
More collaborative, I think, but I have something to say
to Drake, I'll say it. And I think when Josh
wants to put plays in that can help him or
explain what the read is. It's going to be things
that I'm not going to be as knowledgeable at when
it relates to quarterbacks. But I think that there will
be some other things that I can help them. And
you know, we don't have it scripted out. That's kind

(54:39):
of our job is to kind of figure out what
to say and when you say it, Like, we have a.

Speaker 4 (54:43):
Lot of numbers in the wide receiver room over the
course of time, Hot, how.

Speaker 9 (54:46):
Do you have the same number of everybody else in
the National Football League?

Speaker 16 (54:50):
Right?

Speaker 1 (54:50):
But how you addressed that last week?

Speaker 6 (54:51):
When you watch these guys, what are you looking for
that separates them?

Speaker 1 (54:57):
Do they know what to do? Can they line up?
Can they catch balk and they help the quarterback.

Speaker 9 (55:03):
That they play and they finish and they transition when
they don't how fast they play when they don't have
the football in their hands. So some of that stuff
we can see in the spring, and a lot of
that stuff will will materialize once we get to training camp.

Speaker 2 (55:17):
Last year, who wanted to last year.

Speaker 7 (55:18):
To grill Pepper's pilege that we generally recognize two of
the better safety canons in the league.

Speaker 2 (55:23):
My PE's back there, you at it. We're going to
talk to Peppers.

Speaker 3 (55:27):
Later on today.

Speaker 17 (55:28):
Do you feel good about that safety rotation that he's
sorting out, how they're gonna be, what they're gonna do.

Speaker 9 (55:33):
I don't think anybody's really sorted out anything as far
as roles on this football team yet.

Speaker 1 (55:38):
I like the people, I like the players.

Speaker 9 (55:40):
Haven't seen dugger on the field just because he's working
through something which you know is not uncommon in the spring.
Loved Jabriel's energy. I liked his his passion for the game.
I like his energy when he comes into building. Those
things are all very positive. And then the new players
and the new additions are are trying to carve out

(56:01):
a role as well.

Speaker 2 (56:03):
Could streams so far.

Speaker 7 (56:04):
So last week sort of rotating at both guard spots
as opposed to center.

Speaker 3 (56:08):
Just you know, how has he done this early?

Speaker 9 (56:11):
It's hard to really identify alignment. It's a lot of
pass protection and it's a you know, quick whistle and
there's no pads on. So again, Cole's working extremely hard
the versatility that he'll he'll be able to display is
something that will be critical.

Speaker 3 (56:26):
You mentioned some of the things you want to see
out of Wie receiver as the dan.

Speaker 2 (56:29):
What have you seen from keisham Brudi so far in
that regard?

Speaker 9 (56:32):
The same as everybody else, working hard, I think that
he's gotten in better shape as we started to go
on to the OTAs, and I think that's really started
to help him as we stack plays together and we're
trying to string it. You know, in the game, you
don't just take a play on and just come off
and then go back and hopefully you can string together,
you know, four or five plays as we work down

(56:53):
the football field. So I think that he's working to
do that. And uh, you know, I like like his attitude.
I enjoy, you know, his willingness to to continue to
improve and maybe do some things a little differently.

Speaker 11 (57:04):
How have you liked to be at.

Speaker 3 (57:06):
The pace of practice.

Speaker 6 (57:07):
We've only been out here for one of them, but
it looked like it was relatively intense or a couple
you know, guys on the field.

Speaker 1 (57:13):
That means a lot coming from you, Phil, thank you.

Speaker 6 (57:15):
You know, pretty good gauge and that pretty intense guy myself.
But how do you strike the balance between like you
don't want guys to be competitive, but you also don't
want guys.

Speaker 9 (57:24):
Yeah, I think that's the biggest coach speak in the spring,
as you're talking out of both sides of your mouth.
It's like, compete, but stay up the compete, But the
receiver has the right to the football. You know, we
can't go through the through the back of them. I
think that the energy is there. I think the urgency
is there. I'd like to see guys running off the field,
coming out on the field to take the field, to

(57:45):
be ready to go, breaking the huddle, lining up, having
an urgency to which we practice and I think all
those things hopefully will lead to better execution of questions.

Speaker 17 (57:56):
Observation for your involvement in practice. Watching the other day
was interesting to see you're coaching one on one with
players from different backgrounds, different paths here, different position. How
important is it for you?

Speaker 1 (58:09):
And that's face it's.

Speaker 17 (58:10):
Not obvious to coach all ninety guys on your roster
here and then into the summer.

Speaker 9 (58:15):
Well, I think it's important. I think I one, I
enjoy it, I like it, I love it. I try
to be as knowledgeable at every position as I possibly can,
some more than others. We reference the quarterback, but having
something at each position group that can maybe translate from my.

Speaker 1 (58:34):
Perspective to help the player.

Speaker 9 (58:36):
But then I also think that you know where the
head coach is is probably what the players think are important.

Speaker 1 (58:42):
So I try to be a little bit everywhere. Coaches.

Speaker 2 (58:45):
You have end new defensive scheme, it's still with a
lot of veterans.

Speaker 9 (58:47):
How do you feel the communication has been with these
units early on?

Speaker 1 (58:50):
Again? Good? Good? I think that when you get to
when we split the squad.

Speaker 3 (58:54):
And now great moments in.

Speaker 2 (58:58):
History. You know used to fish. My grandfather Yeah, oh really, wow?

Speaker 3 (59:04):
Please tell I know that he had a twenty eight
to three shirt sold I don't know that his grandfather
used to fish.

Speaker 2 (59:10):
They all used Shakespeare, rods Y Ted Williams.

Speaker 16 (59:13):
So my grandfather was longtime track coach at Tufts from
the early thirties all the way until he died in
the early seventies, and he developed a friendship with Ted Williams.

Speaker 3 (59:23):
There's there's some interesting newspaper articles that I've dug up
that it's my grandfather. I never met him.

Speaker 16 (59:29):
He died before I was born Clarence ding Duso. The
track of Tous is named after him. But they used
to go him and Ted would go up to up
to New Brunswick where my grandfather did all the summers,
and they would fish together, fly fishing. And this is
the crazy story. John Henry Duso Williams. They named his
middle name is Dusau after my grandfather.

Speaker 3 (59:50):
You go to newspapers dot com.

Speaker 16 (59:51):
You can do a lot of searching.

Speaker 3 (59:52):
I found one that's, like, you know, du So teaches
the Red Sox how to run.

Speaker 16 (59:56):
So my grandfather went down to Florida and was talking
to them about like speed and stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:00:00):
So yeah, so it's he's he's got a he's got
a whole story. I've got his whole All this, I
got a feeling.

Speaker 4 (01:00:05):
There's a lot of stories that deuces and I'm getting
through them slowly but surely.

Speaker 3 (01:00:09):
But that's one of the better ones.

Speaker 2 (01:00:12):
The moral of the stories. You're kind of a disappointment
in your family.

Speaker 3 (01:00:15):
That's another great moment.

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Speaker 2 (01:00:57):
The New England Patriots. So good stuf h. But Paul
is going to be back in the Bob's studio for
preseason games, right yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:01:05):
I do I have to miss I have to miss
a game, Freddie. You have to know how rare it
is for me to miss a game.

Speaker 2 (01:01:09):
No, but yeah, go ahead.

Speaker 3 (01:01:11):
When was the last time I missed a game?

Speaker 4 (01:01:12):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:01:13):
You never? You missed the whole Super Bowl, missed the
ASH Championship game, and and but I got it through
that game. And it was also COVID, so we couldn't
couldn't be you know in the stadium you ha COVID
or that No, I didn't have COVID during just the
Monday night game during the COVID season. I think that's

(01:01:33):
what I believe. For AFC Championship game in the Super Bowl.
I think it was the only two games that I
ever missed. And I have to miss the Minnesota preseason game.

Speaker 7 (01:01:44):
Wow, okay, Saturday without you Saturday. How much there ought
to get me. I get it like a day game,
which is perfect. I have to miss it.

Speaker 5 (01:01:55):
Unbelievably good.

Speaker 3 (01:01:57):
Moving TJ into into school.

Speaker 4 (01:01:59):
I'm telling you the the runout song topic, people are
still emailing.

Speaker 3 (01:02:04):
I'm like, now, just want to see the newsletter tomorrow
to see deuces. Well, these were personal, but everybody knows
what like Mayaan would be. Like there's only four or
five options. You can kind of figure out what Miyae
would be.

Speaker 5 (01:02:17):
Very very man.

Speaker 3 (01:02:21):
Songs with Barry Man alone, I mean they have great ballads,
but they're great now you go Earthwork and fire Darna Summer.
I mean, you know the common It's not that many options, no,
But deuce Deuce is a mystery. I have no idea
what this. I'm intrigued. I think I mentioned it on
the shows. I don't want to build.

Speaker 4 (01:02:37):
It up too much, but too bad Moss isn't still
on the team because we could have.

Speaker 2 (01:02:41):
Oh, Randy, you came and you game.

Speaker 3 (01:02:44):
That was unbelievable last night, by the way, and brought
the house.

Speaker 2 (01:02:49):
You crying.

Speaker 3 (01:02:50):
It was like crying.

Speaker 7 (01:02:53):
I mean, I enjoyed the Barry man Al concert. No,
it was not crying.

Speaker 5 (01:02:57):
His only thing going on.

Speaker 2 (01:02:59):
You couldn't drag me to that.

Speaker 3 (01:03:00):
I'm telling you. I'm telling you. It was a lot
of funny and Matt and I went with no socks
and Mike Reese and my wife.

Speaker 2 (01:03:07):
Mike's where It's royalty? Really?

Speaker 3 (01:03:09):
You recognized Mike's of course we did. What are you
kidd name? Didn't I say? I was Mike with Mike?

Speaker 2 (01:03:16):
Where was the garden?

Speaker 3 (01:03:19):
The garden is just an actual garden.

Speaker 2 (01:03:23):
Now I'm showing my show from Barry Mandel.

Speaker 3 (01:03:27):
That's it's it's one and the same. It's man, It's man.

Speaker 2 (01:03:31):
Do you know you rated?

Speaker 3 (01:03:34):
Yeah, that's a good one. I don't talk, but anyway,
it was. It was a great time. And I'll tell
you he's like eighty one years old.

Speaker 2 (01:03:42):
Yeah, rocks.

Speaker 3 (01:03:42):
He was out there for almost two hours just playing
all the hits, Freddy off Mandy even now I know
into him when he was after.

Speaker 5 (01:03:56):
He's a Vegas rank guy.

Speaker 2 (01:03:58):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:03:58):
I know I write the song, you know, I know
write the songs. I like the copa Cabana.

Speaker 5 (01:04:04):
You got three that's a banger.

Speaker 2 (01:04:05):
Yeah, oh, I know all the songs.

Speaker 3 (01:04:08):
At least she at least she being honest with yourself.

Speaker 7 (01:04:11):
I pretending it was even crazy. Paul didn't even drink
at it. I didn't imagine berry Man was so bad.

Speaker 3 (01:04:17):
Even I had a couple of dire cokes. So this
is the thing that really stood out to no socks
and right over I heard you. This is the thing
that really I was fully anticipating. Being among the youngest
people in this crowd. I figured there's gonna be a
lot of like seventy five and up. Yeah, there were
a lot of young people.

Speaker 8 (01:04:35):
There were they with their parents probably.

Speaker 3 (01:04:38):
In some cases. Yeah, like Mike Reese took his dad.

Speaker 2 (01:04:42):
Roy Reese was there. Was great to see Roy.

Speaker 3 (01:04:44):
I was a huge fan of all of our patriots.

Speaker 4 (01:04:46):
Content by I'm sure, but like I think the lawyer,
I was stunned. Like when Tony Bennett was doing his duet,
like all the young people were like all of a sudden,
Tony Bennett was like, lady.

Speaker 5 (01:04:58):
Yeah, just because yeah, and I had to.

Speaker 3 (01:05:01):
So now now you're like, you're disparaging Tony overrated? What
is wrong with you?

Speaker 2 (01:05:07):
Overrated?

Speaker 3 (01:05:09):
Who's rated?

Speaker 15 (01:05:10):
Who?

Speaker 3 (01:05:11):
Guy is phenomenal? Like Tony Benning is overrated.

Speaker 4 (01:05:17):
But all of a sudden, he you know, he had
this resurgence because he was doing duets with younger lady, what's.

Speaker 3 (01:05:24):
Wrong with that?

Speaker 2 (01:05:25):
I just I wasn't into gaming the system. It wasn't
into it.

Speaker 3 (01:05:28):
Yeah, Barry Maniload didn't gain the system.

Speaker 2 (01:05:30):
He didn't have to. He's got that. He's got killing it.
He's got his own hits.

Speaker 3 (01:05:36):
You know, I just laughing. Polic We thought would be
the oldest people there. There are plenty of people there
in their fifties.

Speaker 2 (01:05:43):
I didn't say fifties.

Speaker 3 (01:05:46):
There were younger people and I.

Speaker 2 (01:05:48):
Was there, huh, there.

Speaker 8 (01:05:51):
Are a lot of people my age there a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:05:53):
I saw that there were.

Speaker 5 (01:05:56):
I was stunned, Like, you don't know, Barry Manilo like maybe.

Speaker 3 (01:06:01):
The song you know it it was a They're like,
they're like Mike, and they pretend they don't know because
it's not but they know what.

Speaker 2 (01:06:10):
Were people singing along?

Speaker 3 (01:06:12):
I was singing? Yeah, there was only like two songs
I didn't know.

Speaker 2 (01:06:15):
I get this picture of Ball singing, what were you wearing?

Speaker 3 (01:06:19):
Sequence? Sure co incidentally.

Speaker 2 (01:06:23):
You know, which.

Speaker 3 (01:06:25):
Come as a big surprise. But I was thing that
I were watching the o t a practice to part
jeans and a porters. It wasnt was it was wonderful.

Speaker 2 (01:06:37):
Jar.

Speaker 3 (01:06:40):
You're just like babbling words now. It don't make anything.
Thinking of like old sceptual.

Speaker 4 (01:06:44):
Female, you know, grabbing Carol Canning Caro, who was the
one that was like she was Latin and.

Speaker 5 (01:07:02):
She was not succeed you played for the Barns.

Speaker 2 (01:07:05):
Yeah, I would not go to that. It just would
Neil Diamond.

Speaker 7 (01:07:09):
No, No, Neil Diamond too. We could talk, Oh do
you know those songs? But those ones that you're.

Speaker 5 (01:07:16):
Preford America, I don't really know.

Speaker 2 (01:07:19):
Though.

Speaker 3 (01:07:19):
I'm not being facetious about my lack of knowledge of Barry.

Speaker 7 (01:07:22):
I think I write I know everyone like five, just
like I know that one.

Speaker 2 (01:07:27):
I know that one.

Speaker 3 (01:07:28):
I didn't know that one. You know more than you think,
like springtime in New England, if you heard it, you
definitely know it. Probably.

Speaker 5 (01:07:34):
But I think Neil Diamond, I've seen Neil Diamond a
couple of times.

Speaker 2 (01:07:36):
Who would you rather go to Neil Diamond or James Taylor.
Neil Diamonil Diamond.

Speaker 8 (01:07:41):
I love James Taylor from I.

Speaker 3 (01:07:43):
Would say, without knowing, I would guess that Neil Diamond
would put on a good show too. But Maneli put
on a really good show. It was like kind of
Vegas Broadway ish. My guess is Neil Diamond would do
that too. Yeah, and I would put James Taylor third.

Speaker 2 (01:07:58):
You know, I like Kail would be a snooze.

Speaker 3 (01:08:01):
Snooze, but I don't think it would be yeah, that entertaining.
But I do like a lot of his songs.

Speaker 5 (01:08:06):
Yeah, you know, Diamond wasn't very not know.

Speaker 3 (01:08:08):
Any of those.

Speaker 2 (01:08:08):
I love.

Speaker 3 (01:08:11):
About James Taylor. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, sweet baby.

Speaker 8 (01:08:13):
James Caroline in my mind.

Speaker 7 (01:08:16):
Yeah, I dated a girl from Western mass And so again,
if you grow up, Taylor, I dated a woman once
before I got married.

Speaker 2 (01:08:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:08:29):
Felder would say, there's your man a little minute.

Speaker 4 (01:08:32):
You can move on, all right, eight five five eight
five five Pats five hundred is the hot line. Let's
go to the hot line. Vinnie's in Vegas. What's up, Vinnie?

Speaker 10 (01:08:42):
Hey, guys, how's going good?

Speaker 2 (01:08:45):
They?

Speaker 10 (01:08:46):
You know, I love the show I've listened for a
long time, but you know, it's always about this small
moment when when dudes was talking about the villain in
Cobra yesterday and he was talking about how the guy scary, right,
a guy who scared him, he says, you know, just
quietly says, not as much as you scare me, right,
you just I was just cracking up. I do have

(01:09:09):
a question for you guys. Is the linebacker a sneaky
concern when it comes to death? And uh, I don't
know have enough bodies or you know, enough good guys there.

Speaker 3 (01:09:24):
This is a great question, Finny, because it really dovetails
nicely into Mike dous during the break.

Speaker 5 (01:09:32):
Half Big take half, Big take half.

Speaker 3 (01:09:34):
It's a good one. I like that a theme for that.
So what do you think, Mike?

Speaker 7 (01:09:39):
I I mean, I'm not overly concerned at the moment
because I think they're gonna play less linebackers and it's
not the big.

Speaker 3 (01:09:45):
Less linebackers than two. Well yeah, well that's what I mean.

Speaker 7 (01:09:48):
But like Bill's defense, he felt like you needed six
or five, like stand up outside needed.

Speaker 3 (01:09:54):
No, no, no, But they only played two, Like in
the last five years, they only played like.

Speaker 2 (01:09:58):
Two guys at the time.

Speaker 3 (01:09:59):
I think back in like the early part of the
dynasty they have.

Speaker 2 (01:10:02):
It's become a diminished position.

Speaker 5 (01:10:04):
I do worry four on the roster from a depth stamp.

Speaker 3 (01:10:08):
I do worry about the right now.

Speaker 4 (01:10:09):
You got to buy Ellis Splaine, Jack Gibbons, and Jack Gibs.

Speaker 7 (01:10:14):
Jack Gibbs, that's kind of the four inside. I mean,
I just I mean piggyback Anthony. Jenny's kind of seems
like a man without a country right now, a little
bit like I'm not sure exactly how he fits and.

Speaker 2 (01:10:23):
Can him an outside linebacker?

Speaker 3 (01:10:25):
Yeah, I mean, and that's you know, but that's not
really what they're going to play.

Speaker 7 (01:10:29):
But you know, uh, I don't know if you want
to get into the whole thing of like tackling machines
and all that that we were getting into.

Speaker 3 (01:10:35):
I would say that my concern would be if something
were to happen in Splain. You're talking about depth.

Speaker 2 (01:10:41):
So if you're.

Speaker 3 (01:10:43):
Depth by definition is what happens when the starter is out,
do you have enough behind him?

Speaker 4 (01:10:48):
Well, listen, last year, I know there were a lot
of problems, but when heard, yeah, it.

Speaker 3 (01:10:54):
Hurts, and you'd have a similar problem as Splaine went.

Speaker 5 (01:10:56):
Down, Yeah, they're there. Linebacker played last year, especially against
the was was rough at times, like.

Speaker 3 (01:11:01):
The fits all like teach take in the wrong direction.

Speaker 5 (01:11:05):
Yeah, like they were just getting eclipse left and right eclipse.

Speaker 18 (01:11:10):
That would But I think clips's that's apt and two
Like one, I think the position as a whole has
been devalued across the league.

Speaker 5 (01:11:20):
And like so I don't think that you necessarily need
the days of like, oh we have ray Lewis and
Brian er Lacker and like these great, you know, Hall
of Fame caliber linebackers. Like I don't know if you
necessarily need that anymore. So I'm not worried about it
from that standpoint. But to Paul's point, like if if
Bobby Spallane goes down, I mean, what are you Helpy

(01:11:41):
happy with Christianellis kind of being your starting MIC or.

Speaker 3 (01:11:44):
That's exactly that I mean.

Speaker 7 (01:11:45):
And I think christianellisill looks like he's gonna he's gonna
have a role on defense this year, like going in
it isn't going to be part of the you know,
insert him into the mix because people got injured.

Speaker 3 (01:11:53):
In that respect, I think he needs to show some
real strides this year.

Speaker 7 (01:11:57):
I would put it down as a long term need
for sure, like I would say draft next year, you're
looking to try to reinforce that position, but it all
goes through Splaine and that I think you're totally right.

Speaker 3 (01:12:07):
And if he's good, I think they'll be okay. And
this started because Mike was We were coming off of
like the caller who asked about Mayo and what, you know,
what he was like as a player. You know, is
Splaine a guy who compiles a lot of tackles or
is he a guy who makes a lot of plays?
And we'll find out because we're not we're not as

(01:12:28):
familiar with his game, you know. We we obviously knew
of him with the Raiders, but is he more of
Bentley Mayo kind of you know, heady, well schooled inside
linebacker who's going to make a lot of tackles or
is it Rokwan Smith, you know, like these athletic guys
that are sidelined to sideline making plays. Evan talked about

(01:12:51):
his instincts yesterday that showed up on the Ota practice field,
which I totally agree with Evan about. He was with
Traveon Henderson as he was catching balls like three different times,
so almost to the point where you're wondering if.

Speaker 2 (01:13:04):
You know what the plays are here? He's getting annoying.

Speaker 3 (01:13:07):
Yeah, I think it's a good question. That might I mean,
and it goes back to Mayo.

Speaker 7 (01:13:11):
I mean, I think it was around Mayo where I
started the question, like is being a tackling machine necessarily
like a great thing? I think you put it perfectly
Paul with do you want a guy who makes a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:13:20):
Of tackle or a guy who makes plays?

Speaker 7 (01:13:21):
And I do think in Splain's the past couple of
years and the Raiders, you saw turnovers, you saw tackles
for loss plays behind the line of scrimmage, which is
really positive, but it's just a hard place to be
where the way I kind of put it, and I
don't know if this makes sense, is like, is he
a guy who's going to just make sure that everything's
right and doesn't you know, you don't get gas for

(01:13:42):
a huge play he's going to make the tackle six
yards down the field. Or is he the kind of
guy that's going to get into the backfield and make
some of the plays Like it looks like he's capable
of making with his recognition and.

Speaker 3 (01:13:53):
Speed, and I think that that's more what he is.

Speaker 7 (01:13:55):
Yeah, and that's what I was lacking with Evan's point
about guys getting eclipse, where that you know, you either
have to know what's going to happen and get there first,
or you just have to be so athletic that you,
i mean, beat everybody there physically first.

Speaker 4 (01:14:06):
What will his role be and will that be dependent
on what style of defensive line they want. If they
want a defensive line that gets up at it, that's
what it's. They need him to be that kind of
gatekeeper behind them.

Speaker 3 (01:14:17):
Right, that's my that's it.

Speaker 5 (01:14:19):
That's what I envision it's going to be. It's gonna
be Kean White, Christian Barmore, Milton Williams go get you guys,
go hunting, and Robert Spoayne is there to clean up
the track. And when guys squeak out or they you know,
it's gonna be a little boom or bust. You know,
ke On White's gonna fly into the backfield and sometimes
he's gonna miss a shot, and then Robert Splayne is

(01:14:39):
there to so it's a five yard game instead of
a twenty five yard game. You know that sort of thing.
He made a lot of plays again with the Raiders,
and I think the number one thing that stood out
to me when I watched him when they sign him
in free agency is just he plays with his hair
on fire, like this is a guy that has a
red hot motor.

Speaker 3 (01:14:56):
He lives his life that way.

Speaker 5 (01:14:57):
Yeah, he is. You are never going to question an
effort with him on a football field. So those types
of plays it might look. It might not be backfield
plays right like, it might be tackles for loss, but
there might be times where he chases down a running
back you know that's trying to turn the corner, and
you see Bobby splaying just streaking across the field and
making the play where you say, wow, there he is,

(01:15:18):
you know that sort of thing. I don't know if
he's like a navigate the trash inside the trenches, like
I'm gonna maneuver around blocks, I'm gonna, you know, find
the football. I don't know if that's necessarily his game.
He's a you know, seaball, get ball, keep him clean
kind of player, such.

Speaker 7 (01:15:34):
A verbel kind of guy. And I've just been reinforced.
I think at some point I think might have been
the final mock draft they did where I took Will Campbell,
which is this is a verbel kind of guy. And
I think those those things that bore out to me,
like guys like Spline, guys like Will Campbell, you can
tell what kind of guys Mike Rabel wants on this team.

Speaker 3 (01:15:52):
And that's why, even hearing from Pepper's yesterday.

Speaker 7 (01:15:56):
Throughout last year, for him, I think he's kind of
the kind of guy that likes Rabel talked about him
a little bit, the energy, you know, so that I
think gives him a chance to stick.

Speaker 5 (01:16:05):
I think it's an interesting though. You said linebacker, like
twenty twenty six need potentially in the off season, and
they needed players at premium positions so badly, you know, quarterback,
left tackle, wide receiver, like those are premium positions where
if you hit on all those guys, if Will Campbell's
a hit and Drake's a hit, then hopefully next offseason

(01:16:26):
you can go draft a middle linebacker high. You can
draft a tight end high. You can't draft an EDG
rusher or like a nickel corner or like these positions
that aren't as valuable. And that's that's exactly what ended
up happening for the Lions. Like the Lions just they
got Aiden Hutchinson, they got Jared Goff, they got Penny Sewell,
and then the next draft it was Gibbs, it was

(01:16:47):
Jack Campbell, it was Sam Laporta, it was Brian Branch
And that's how you kind of build out the roster.

Speaker 3 (01:16:53):
Just to joke, to take that to I thought, you
know what you.

Speaker 7 (01:16:56):
Wrote about the guys up front, it's kind of the
veterans up front. Just interesting to me watching Elijah Ponder
and Braden Swinson, who are more in the opportunity level
of guys right now. So can one of those guys
emerge and crack their way into the rotation as a
pass rusher. That's something that's kind of ping my rat
or over these first couple practices.

Speaker 4 (01:17:15):
Travis in West Virginia wants to know if we'd ever
be willing to publish data after each show on the
total number of emails we receive and.

Speaker 2 (01:17:23):
How many were read and how many were ignored.

Speaker 4 (01:17:25):
For example, today we received eighteen emails read, three ignored
the other fifteen.

Speaker 3 (01:17:30):
I mean the cameras would be much higher than that.

Speaker 4 (01:17:33):
Oh yeah, yeah, we get we get a ton of emails,
and yeah, I get to a fraction of them. I
was thinking that one point of putting all the emails
we didn't read in a place where other people you
could just read them. But like, if you what's what's
the point there just reading emails without answers?

Speaker 2 (01:17:49):
Yeah? How many gems do you really miss? Yeah?

Speaker 8 (01:17:52):
Wow, Well, dude, looks like you would be like Reddit.
Just post your email and like Reddit. There's a pu subreddit, but.

Speaker 4 (01:18:00):
There is the uh Nate North Northeast Pennsylvania writes sad
off season topics only for me? Sorry, Evan one. Why
are Fred and Paul wearing the same shirt? It's they're
similar shirts, very similar. We did not call last night
to see what each we're wearing. Mine fits though, wow

(01:18:23):
wows pants also doesn't have anything.

Speaker 8 (01:18:27):
He looks like, yeah, friend, got a lunch stain.

Speaker 4 (01:18:30):
He looks like the lead singer of Talking Heads, and
he's talking to me like it doesn't it.

Speaker 2 (01:18:38):
Not today's style.

Speaker 3 (01:18:41):
I'm not young enough to wear today's style.

Speaker 2 (01:18:44):
Why not?

Speaker 3 (01:18:44):
Because that's for the young.

Speaker 2 (01:18:45):
Kids starting to look younger.

Speaker 4 (01:18:47):
I'm telling you, you go to the stop one of
those guys doctor de Filici and get your hair in
and whatever they call him.

Speaker 3 (01:18:55):
Robert Leonard, Robert Leonard. Yeah, that is one.

Speaker 5 (01:18:57):
Yeah, see the Hair Doctor.

Speaker 4 (01:18:59):
Yeah you'll be you'll be hosting shows on NBC Sports.

Speaker 2 (01:19:04):
But no one wants me.

Speaker 3 (01:19:05):
I mean it's pretty apparent.

Speaker 8 (01:19:06):
It's like that guy Brian Johnson that like has the
biological age of a twenty five year old, but he's
in his forties.

Speaker 5 (01:19:11):
Oh yeah, I don't believe that. I called bes on
those things, like we hear about I hear about this
all the time, Like, oh, like so this like person
is like actually seventy, but biologically they're only twenty five,
Like now they're seventy jack. Yeah, no, not buying it.

Speaker 2 (01:19:28):
Well, okay, I don't I don't want to get into it.
But anyway.

Speaker 4 (01:19:31):
Two, do you have a rough idea the number of
listeners PU has?

Speaker 2 (01:19:36):
Well, yeah, we have a lot.

Speaker 5 (01:19:37):
We have more than a rough idea.

Speaker 4 (01:19:38):
We have more listeners than a lot of towns and
cities in the United States. Thousands, Humble brand lots more
than thousandsands, Yeah, tens of thousands. Three When an't we
going to see the faces of the popular callers and listeners? Yeah,
I have a picture in my mind of how Christian
and La looks. I picture a dark turtleneck and slick

(01:19:59):
black hair sunglasses, similar to Todd from National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation.

Speaker 5 (01:20:05):
We're gonna do that period.

Speaker 3 (01:20:08):
Those pictures are scary people.

Speaker 8 (01:20:09):
I mean, come on, I'm waiting for like the dead
real dead period, like maybe early July after the fourth
for training camp, after many camp.

Speaker 4 (01:20:19):
Yeah, uh, Lizzie right, No, that's something else.

Speaker 2 (01:20:25):
Tyler and ludlow Wright said.

Speaker 4 (01:20:26):
If there were to be a true NFL minor league
with players that had contracts with NFL teams, I think
it would give a considerable bump to interest in the league.
But for fantasy football players, Mike myself, having a spring
league with fantasy platforms would scratch that itch we have
in the off season. Even casual fans interested fantasy football

(01:20:47):
spring league.

Speaker 5 (01:20:48):
That that wasn't the point, But you do you if
that's what, If that's why you're into it, then I
then all the power to it. It's more revenue for
my shape league ahead, Mike.

Speaker 7 (01:20:58):
Yeah, I'm just gonna mention that announced. David Andrews will
be announcing his retirement on Monday.

Speaker 2 (01:21:03):
There'll be a whole press continent.

Speaker 3 (01:21:05):
Press conference for him.

Speaker 4 (01:21:07):
Will have that Lie Patris dot Com, David and David
Andrews deciding to retire Ye Now a game which of
these two players would win most consistently in a one
on one matchup in their prime?

Speaker 2 (01:21:20):
John Hannah versus Vince Wilfork.

Speaker 5 (01:21:23):
Vince Wilfork, Oh, Hannah, That's it's hard.

Speaker 2 (01:21:26):
Hannah was Hannah was sixty?

Speaker 3 (01:21:28):
Right, That's what different It's that difference is inside.

Speaker 5 (01:21:30):
That's what I'm saying, Vince.

Speaker 3 (01:21:32):
Can I say John Hannah with today's like, it's not
a two hundred underd pounds what today?

Speaker 2 (01:21:37):
Guard?

Speaker 3 (01:21:38):
I think John Hannah was a better player than Vince
will agree? Is that fair to say?

Speaker 2 (01:21:41):
Absolutely? It was a hall of a monomano. It's going
to the beef.

Speaker 3 (01:21:45):
Because Evan's right. I think he three thirty, maybe played
at like two eighty.

Speaker 5 (01:21:50):
Yeah, I think Vince played at like four hundred.

Speaker 8 (01:21:53):
Well, according to Ted, Oh, they got him like his
ideal playing weight, all things consider like balanced nutrition.

Speaker 3 (01:22:03):
Well that's what it said in the media.

Speaker 8 (01:22:04):
Guy, Well that's what they tried to get him to.

Speaker 5 (01:22:07):
There's no way he granted.

Speaker 8 (01:22:08):
He was way higher than that when Ted before Ted
started working with him.

Speaker 2 (01:22:12):
Matt Light versus Matthew.

Speaker 5 (01:22:14):
Judon that's a pretty even one.

Speaker 2 (01:22:17):
I'd say fifty to fifty split.

Speaker 5 (01:22:19):
Yeah, that's an even one.

Speaker 3 (01:22:20):
Yeah, because I don't think Judon was, you know, like
the the Jason Taylor, like the really athletic edge rushers
gave Matt light a hard gave everybody apart, but he
was pretty good. I think with just you know, the
because I don't think Judon was that dynamic. He was
a good edge rusher, but not like Jason Taylor or

(01:22:40):
Dwight Feeney.

Speaker 4 (01:22:41):
Of those guys, Aaron Dobson, Verus Cyrus Jones, that's Aaron.

Speaker 3 (01:22:47):
I'm going to say Aaron. He's contested catches.

Speaker 2 (01:22:51):
Devin mccordy and Ben Coates.

Speaker 3 (01:22:54):
Oh Coats, Ben Coates, Coats in their prime, Coats was
a really good receiving.

Speaker 5 (01:22:59):
Coat was awesome. I wish that uh Coats like played
now like. If Colts played now like, he would be
one of the best tight ends in the league.

Speaker 2 (01:23:08):
I would think uh Christian Gonzales versus Julian Edelman.

Speaker 5 (01:23:14):
Such different types of players, Like one's an outside corner
on the slot receiver.

Speaker 3 (01:23:18):
I'd say Edelman because I because of what Evan just said,
it's kind of a.

Speaker 2 (01:23:21):
He's gonna get open.

Speaker 3 (01:23:23):
You know it's I used to make fun of Andy.
You would always say that's a tough matchup, and I
would say, what a cornerback against a wide receiver? And
you know, I know, I know what Andy was meaning, Like,
he's a taller outside corner who's looking to get you know,
you tell me a j Brown against Christian Gonzales. I'll
I might take Gonzales there, but woman's shifty and if

(01:23:44):
that he's in space.

Speaker 2 (01:23:45):
Does it depend on whose edelman to win that matchup?

Speaker 13 (01:23:49):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:23:49):
Does he get open or not? Yeah, you win the
matchup for getting opened. I know, well, but you think
about it in the bubble. We watched that drill all.

Speaker 7 (01:23:54):
The time and it's pretty much wide receiver wins every
sing every time. If you're telling me that, all right,
there are going to be eleven guys in the field
and Gonzales is in the slot versus him, it's still
tough man.

Speaker 3 (01:24:03):
Even when you see those one on ones, right, we
watch them all the time and we always chart him
right when they go downfield, the cornerbacks have a much
better chance. But when it's the short area of quickness
and you know, little jerk routes TikTok routes.

Speaker 4 (01:24:16):
Yeah, Corey Dillon versus Dante High Tower, we're.

Speaker 5 (01:24:20):
Talking TikTok routes like, oh yeah, you're gonna break five
times before you actually run the round. Yeah great, cool.

Speaker 2 (01:24:27):
Sorry, Corey Dylan verus Dante High Tower.

Speaker 7 (01:24:30):
Oh gosh, that's another good one.

Speaker 5 (01:24:34):
Very I mean, like in the whole, like in what
sense he carry covering him?

Speaker 3 (01:24:40):
Corey Dillon break Dante High Towers tackled, and then I
would probably say no.

Speaker 5 (01:24:45):
I'm going High Tower. He tackled marsham Lynch with one arm.

Speaker 2 (01:24:48):
So I might go with Dylan here.

Speaker 3 (01:24:52):
That's tough. That's a good one.

Speaker 2 (01:24:54):
Tom Brady versus Brian Urlcker.

Speaker 5 (01:24:56):
Well we already saw that, right, we know the one?

Speaker 2 (01:24:58):
Yeah, right?

Speaker 4 (01:25:00):
And my song of choice for a runout with the
Boys are Back in Town by Finn Lizzie.

Speaker 2 (01:25:05):
Oh you had such a good game and then you
ruined it with that song choice the Boys are back
in Town? Come on, that gets you hyped up?

Speaker 3 (01:25:14):
Come on, really, that's not it's not my masking, baby.

Speaker 4 (01:25:20):
I'm asking you if you heard that like before, that's
the guys run out with I don't think if that
is no, come on.

Speaker 7 (01:25:27):
I was thinking about this a tiny bit, and I
don't want to derail it, but I was just wondering, like,
what if you just stuck with crazy training.

Speaker 3 (01:25:33):
You've had it.

Speaker 7 (01:25:33):
That's a concert or Welcome to the Jungle.

Speaker 3 (01:25:37):
Welcome to the Jungle, no one's ever done it.

Speaker 5 (01:25:40):
Can't you be doing crazy trains.

Speaker 2 (01:25:42):
That's I'm kidding everybody.

Speaker 8 (01:25:43):
It seems like the.

Speaker 7 (01:25:46):
I know the Bengals for sure, but the program, the program,
that movie did it right with the Welcome to the Jungle,
that practice.

Speaker 3 (01:25:52):
Sequence, Welcome to the Jungle. That to me, I always
get it, you know, I'm talking about the program. Yeah
bad women, Yeah, of course. Yeah, you're staring at me
like I don't just respect me that I don't pretend
to get. I don't pretend I don't know movies that
everybody knows.

Speaker 5 (01:26:06):
Welcome to the Jungles of celticsminator Why Jungle? Yeah, because
KG called the garden the jungle one time and so
then they started playing Welcome to the Jungle, and then
it's been the song right before tip off is playing
everything go ye.

Speaker 2 (01:26:21):
Do they still do that?

Speaker 1 (01:26:22):
Really?

Speaker 2 (01:26:22):
Yeah? Uh?

Speaker 4 (01:26:24):
Evan's still catching strays from his music case Ben from
Hershey Pennsylvania.

Speaker 2 (01:26:30):
Evan's taste in.

Speaker 4 (01:26:30):
Music is classic nostalgia bias with a hint of cultural gatekeeping,
two psychological phenomenas I agree with which impact our perception
of music and close us off from hearing new music. Subjectively,
human beings genuinely believe the music we grew up with
listening into between the ages of twelve and twenty two
is the best music, because those are the years of

(01:26:52):
life when we have the most experiences and make our
deepest rooted memories. We reject new music we're exposed to
and if widely praised. Furthermore, evans categorization of Sandstorm as
dubstep should disqualify him from any conversation about modern music.
Sandstorm is as much dubstep song as Taylor Swift is

(01:27:14):
heavy metal.

Speaker 5 (01:27:15):
Evan the fifth quick Sandstorm is literally an It's electronic music, like,
it's house music. Like there's no words to the song,
it's just the beat.

Speaker 2 (01:27:25):
I have no idea what Yeah, it's I don't know
what it is.

Speaker 5 (01:27:27):
It's I mean, I grew up on Sandstorm, so but yeah,
I don't even think my generation is the best type
of music. I think your guys' generation is the best
kind of music that So I disagree with that whole email.
I don't think that it has anything to do with
my type of music.

Speaker 2 (01:27:42):
So when you were growing up, did your dad play
a lot of music?

Speaker 19 (01:27:45):
So that's why every.

Speaker 2 (01:27:47):
That proves his theory.

Speaker 5 (01:27:49):
But no, his theory is is that the music that
came out when I was twelve to twenty is.

Speaker 2 (01:27:54):
No the music you listened to when you were twelve
to twenty.

Speaker 3 (01:27:56):
But I would put I would definitely all into that
category of that. The reason I love disco is because
that's my form of music, Okay, but I am not
closed off to today's music. I don't know Sandstorm or
whatever you know that he's but like that how many
times that we talked about Taylor Swift and like what's
what's popular now? Like, I think a lot of this

(01:28:18):
stuff is great, And I think a lot of older people.
I know, when I was growing up, older people are like, oh,
that crap that you listen to. I don't hear people
my age say that crap that people listen to Nowadays,
I hear a lot of people that like this stuff
that comes out in different genres, not just like the
top forty stuff. But you know how many people talk

(01:28:38):
about the rap stuff that's out now, you know Kendrick.
You know a lot of people liked it. At the
super Bowl, a lot of people didn't like it. I
don't think it's I think he's painting.

Speaker 2 (01:28:47):
With a broad presser. I think there's something to it.

Speaker 3 (01:28:50):
No, there is something to what you remember, what were
formed on sticks with you. There's definitely something to that.
But I don't think that that automatically means you shut
yourself off to anything else.

Speaker 8 (01:29:01):
There's also just so many new Like the way people
find new music is so different now with streaming, and
there's so much of it. So there's a lot of
great music that's coming out, but it's it's harder to find.
You have to kind of put time and effort into it,
whereas like the stuff that's on top forty pop is

(01:29:21):
just like annoying frequency music that it's like you get
sick of it and you're bored of it.

Speaker 5 (01:29:27):
But if you tie. But I don't feel like the
top forty stuff, like you know, we don't. I don't
like drive around listening to the radio like I used
to when I was younger, right like in the nineties,
right because now you just put on your Spotify whatever, right,
whatever you're.

Speaker 4 (01:29:43):
Because it's sort of like being a fan, like you
grew up with a certain group of athletes you know,
and you don't know the Babe Bruce and all the
you know, So is it kind of the same thing
where it's what you grew up knowing and these.

Speaker 5 (01:29:58):
Are the best, right, But like, in my opinion, like
to go into that with the twelve through twenty age thing,
like to me that would say that, I would say that,
like the best rock band of all time was Green Day,
right because that was when I that was my age.
But I don't think that because your father you were.
But like but even if my father didn't expose that

(01:30:20):
to me, I still wouldn't say that.

Speaker 2 (01:30:22):
Why why because like about.

Speaker 8 (01:30:24):
The Well that's how I feel because I think when
you and I were in middle in high school and
like early college, that's the best hip hop. Probably a
little before that too, yeah and R and B. Now,
I don't I don't know the last time I really
liked a rap song that came out maybe like a
little like Isaiah Rashad was probably the last one I

(01:30:45):
was like, oh, I really like this song. Well, unfortunately,
a lot of well that's what I'm talking about. That's
me early college.

Speaker 5 (01:30:51):
A lot of it now is mumble rap. Yeah, and
I haven't, but whereas I have no time.

Speaker 8 (01:30:58):
There's some great like the singer songwriterive stuff that's coming
out now.

Speaker 5 (01:31:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:31:05):
I was in I was in a T mobile or
one of those phone stores Verizon, and I was just
making fun of Drake, and I'm like, God, Drake is
mumble rap and the guy behind it is not.

Speaker 5 (01:31:14):
That's definitely not mumble rap.

Speaker 3 (01:31:17):
But Drake's not mumble I know he's popper rapp is.

Speaker 2 (01:31:20):
I have no idea, you know, I don't know who
is mumble rap.

Speaker 7 (01:31:22):
But you guys are looking like you don't know what
it's like to go to Strawberries and like you can't
listen to anything.

Speaker 3 (01:31:28):
You just look at like the CD case.

Speaker 7 (01:31:30):
These guys it was the music store, like the last
time music The.

Speaker 8 (01:31:36):
Last time I bought a CD at f y E was.
I think I was a junior in high school because
I had a license.

Speaker 3 (01:31:42):
It's just like the artwork like that.

Speaker 8 (01:31:44):
I forget what album. I think it was, honestly, Taylor
Swift the right album. Me and my friend Sierra got
in the car after school drove to the mall and
that's the last time. I Oh, no, Casey, I bought
a Casey Muscave.

Speaker 5 (01:31:56):
But like we were lucky.

Speaker 8 (01:31:57):
It was high school though, like we got in not.

Speaker 5 (01:32:02):
The best of it all, Yeah, we got it. Like
like my cousins who are like ten years younger than
I am, Like they have no idea what we're talking about.
I had. That's upsetting, Like that's too bad.

Speaker 8 (01:32:11):
I had cassettes I had. We had the Pilot, the Pirrating,
Lime Wire, Days, My Day, the Best and then Streaming
still that Napster like.

Speaker 5 (01:32:26):
The Too Big. Yeah, but you know we had that.
You know I bought, We bought c ds we like
I had. I had a cassette player. I think the
eminem Show. I had it on the cassette.

Speaker 3 (01:32:35):
Yeah, you were going to cassette single.

Speaker 2 (01:32:36):
I bought a couple of cassette singles.

Speaker 3 (01:32:39):
It's crazy. I had Return of the Mac so I
saw the single.

Speaker 4 (01:32:44):
I remember the Parties first cassette. It was the Partridges fan.

Speaker 5 (01:32:49):
I think I Love You?

Speaker 2 (01:32:51):
Isn't that.

Speaker 8 (01:32:54):
I was singing in the last couple of episodes.

Speaker 5 (01:32:56):
My parents are Partridge family people. We listened to that
a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:33:00):
I don't think I ever bought a CD. I had
a million of them, but I didn't buy it.

Speaker 5 (01:33:04):
It was the worst because you had the CD the
portable CD player, but then you also had to bring
all your CDs with you, so you had a case with.

Speaker 8 (01:33:14):
It was such a back burning your own yeah, stealing
the music from lime wire, burning your own CD and
then writing and sharp.

Speaker 2 (01:33:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:33:22):
My sister had had like a CD burner that my
parents bought her for like a present, and we would
do that all like all the time, just and then
we'd have to write like what you like on it?
Like what you put on it?

Speaker 19 (01:33:33):
And yeah, I mean you did CDs, but we would
make mixtape but you don't do that, like do people
do like my mix for you that used to playst
but but is the comments will be like, oh, I
want to make a playlist for my girlfriend.

Speaker 3 (01:33:47):
Somebody have a question. Yeah, So when you drove out
to Western mass did you do so with the mixed tape?

Speaker 8 (01:33:52):
Do you burn that girl?

Speaker 3 (01:33:56):
One hundred percent? I got thousand percent had like driving
out to see Lory mix, you know, like I didn't
even I wasn't even thinking in the movies for you
to get in the moon.

Speaker 4 (01:34:11):
Like a mixed driving out Glory mixed to get you
in the move.

Speaker 5 (01:34:16):
It's better than the Depot, little Marvin gay On there.

Speaker 3 (01:34:24):
Like it might have been a little emo.

Speaker 4 (01:34:25):
So I had a playlist called corn and Corns, Corny Yeah,
and Gordon Lightfoot in the Carpenter.

Speaker 8 (01:34:34):
I Love the Carpenters. That was one of my first cassettes.

Speaker 2 (01:34:37):
What What what Paul good stuff. It was all like
corny stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:34:44):
So the Coppenter's right, Richard Coppenter used to I've seen,
like again these documentaries that you watch, and he was like, yeah,
you know, everybody made fun of it, but everybody had it,
and they knew the words.

Speaker 2 (01:34:58):
Everybody knew all the.

Speaker 3 (01:34:59):
We would you would be in concert and everybody sang
every song, but no one could ever admit that they
liked it. No one ever admitted that they wanted it.

Speaker 7 (01:35:07):
But it's like back now, all these albums that we sold,
like yeah, Nickelback, is that you were able to but
sure enough to not sure what the public perception was
My corn mixed I learned when I brought up all
this music stuff. Apparently Nickelback is like cool now like
when we were when I was growing up, Nickelback.

Speaker 5 (01:35:26):
Was corn like. That was like, look at this photograph,
like it's like, come on, Like, but like, now.

Speaker 8 (01:35:31):
He's an objectively good musician and songwriter.

Speaker 5 (01:35:34):
I'm not saying he's not. It's just when we were
growing up that was like if you listen to Nickelback,
you were kind of.

Speaker 8 (01:35:39):
I never subscribed to that. I was alternative vire.

Speaker 5 (01:35:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:35:42):
I was like, no, I think this is pretty, but
I liked the goo goo dolls. I liked that kind
of Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:35:47):
I mean like Creed was a little cooler, like if
you were you know, that was a little bit better Cowboys, right,
I mean, I make one of the best halftime shows
of all time, easily top five.

Speaker 3 (01:35:57):
Will's been getting into that Creed Yeah, stuff like that
reads great. You had all the screen stuff, the.

Speaker 8 (01:36:03):
Kids, Yeah, having a moment on open.

Speaker 5 (01:36:08):
Yeah so.

Speaker 9 (01:36:11):
Bad.

Speaker 2 (01:36:11):
Oh god classic.

Speaker 4 (01:36:13):
Tyler and George just says, hey, Paul, the jerk route
call they're all out.

Speaker 3 (01:36:17):
Of you that there was a reference to my jerk, right.

Speaker 4 (01:36:25):
I like Tyler and Ludlow, big props to the email
of that just called out Evan for calling Sandstorm dubstep.

Speaker 2 (01:36:31):
Dubstep call whatever you want.

Speaker 5 (01:36:33):
I don't care.

Speaker 2 (01:36:34):
Dubstep is a subgenre of electronic.

Speaker 5 (01:36:37):
Thank You, Sandstorm.

Speaker 4 (01:36:39):
Falls into the trance subgenre. If an electronic song doesn't
have rubs and wobbles, it isn't dubstep.

Speaker 3 (01:36:46):
Okay, whoa who like that kind of stuff?

Speaker 5 (01:36:51):
Is that they played Sandstorm it's all there's no there's
no lyrics, it's it's just a beat. And then you
would like mosh pit in the middle of the dance
for and all, and it was we would all just
like you know, tackle each other like.

Speaker 3 (01:37:05):
Tsunami kind of Tsunami and Tsunami.

Speaker 7 (01:37:06):
They did a big thing of the Army Navy game
where they started playing Tami and maybe.

Speaker 3 (01:37:11):
What we think of like daft punk, how would we
classify that?

Speaker 2 (01:37:15):
Like, what is that electronic?

Speaker 5 (01:37:18):
Alt rock?

Speaker 2 (01:37:19):
Alt rock? I would say so, Tony says, Evan couldn't
be more wrong here. That step is more in the
vein of.

Speaker 4 (01:37:26):
Skill wreck, skill skrill ex crillis Sandstorm is more of
a trance song. Also, the disrespect for two thousands alternative
is a shame. I love me some Simon and Garfunkel,
James Taylor, and Abba, but no era of music is
stronger than the nineties to two thousands alt indie eighties
takes the cake as the worst pop music era.

Speaker 2 (01:37:48):
Hair bands and ballads are awful, So.

Speaker 3 (01:37:52):
Pushed back on how you can if you like all
different kinds of like Prince Heyday is the eighties and
being extremely disrespectful to me to one of the most
Michael Jackson. These are some of the most iconic artist
sever These are like heart of the eighties, Madonna, like
even Madonna. Yeah, like that's I mean, if you like

(01:38:14):
allies better, like that's that's perfectly acceptable, like the nineties
all like that's what you like. But to say that
there was nothing in the eighties is ridiculous.

Speaker 5 (01:38:26):
I love the eighties music. I have lots of great
songs in the eighties.

Speaker 7 (01:38:31):
Let's Go Crazy like Prince Let's Go Crazy is like
an incredible song. Yeah, you won't get any pushback on
calling Prince a genius from the from the music recently.

Speaker 5 (01:38:41):
Telling you I've been getting into Prince. Not that I
didn't know Prince before, but I got some bangers.

Speaker 11 (01:38:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:38:48):
Absolutely, he was not familiar with his game. No, I wasn't.
You weren't familiar with Prince. I was familiar, but I wasn't.

Speaker 8 (01:38:53):
On the peripherals. But now he's really diving deep.

Speaker 2 (01:38:56):
Yeah, yeah, okay, showing itself.

Speaker 4 (01:38:59):
Burnton speaking of Nickelback, he says his vote for hype
song is burn It Down by Nickelback.

Speaker 2 (01:39:06):
Okay.

Speaker 5 (01:39:07):
I think it's funny how it's going to come back.
It really has.

Speaker 3 (01:39:11):
I thought he was going to like be like, how's
Marcus Jones looking out there? Yeah, get tied to tie
it back to think they've given up. Guess not. I
like the music talk because I think it's so subjective.
It's what you like, and you know.

Speaker 7 (01:39:25):
That's how I feel about music. I hate, like usually
hate when people are like, who are your favorite bands?
I'm like, I don't know, it's kind of personal, like
I I you know, certainly I like a lot of
famous stuff that everybody likes.

Speaker 3 (01:39:33):
But I also I just like, I don't know. I
like what I like, and I don't need to sit
here and argue with why it's good or not. Yeah,
And remember we used to argue with Hardy all the
time about that because he would get mad at us,
you know, because we didn't treat it the same way
he did, you know, like it was important.

Speaker 5 (01:39:47):
But in Sandstorm Dubsteppers.

Speaker 7 (01:39:49):
Right like, I feel like I'm woefully uninformed, like I
don't know all the different Well you should listen show no, no, no, I'm.

Speaker 2 (01:39:57):
Talking about about the music. Just a play it.

Speaker 5 (01:40:01):
He doesn't just hear it, he listens to hear.

Speaker 3 (01:40:04):
I'm like, I listened to songs and I'd be like,
oh I like that. Oh I don't like that, Oh
I like that. Like I don't necessarily say I like
this sub section of some other like random, you know,
group of song. I don't, But I don't. I don't
because I can't be put in the box because I
don't know what the box is. You just like what
you like. And like when you were talking, what is

(01:40:25):
it that you called sandstone dub dub step.

Speaker 2 (01:40:27):
I've never heard that term in my life.

Speaker 5 (01:40:30):
Ill apparently I don't know anything about it.

Speaker 7 (01:40:33):
So I'm just going to so I couldn't tell you
if I like dump step or I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:40:36):
I do like house music.

Speaker 8 (01:40:38):
I like how house music in a while.

Speaker 5 (01:40:41):
I mean like like clarity like that.

Speaker 2 (01:40:44):
Yeah, if you look at my like that, Fred likes
that really? Oh yeah, driving up from the Cakes.

Speaker 8 (01:40:52):
Not like is it like house music or is it?

Speaker 2 (01:40:56):
Like I like I said, I like that, I like.

Speaker 4 (01:40:58):
The Yeah, when we were we were in Germany.

Speaker 7 (01:41:02):
We were in that club in Germany and friends like,
all right, we gotta go, let's go, we gotta.

Speaker 5 (01:41:06):
Go, Like this Gibson after Dark was and now it's time.
It was a great time.

Speaker 3 (01:41:17):
Best German television.

Speaker 2 (01:41:18):
That's Justin corrects me.

Speaker 4 (01:41:21):
And the last show I talked about a script that uh,
Schwarzenegger tricked Stallone into accepting. I said it was Cobra,
but Justin says it was stop or my mom will shoot.
Oh geez, that makes I think schwarz Yeah, it's like
throw off.

Speaker 2 (01:41:38):
That was an awful movie.

Speaker 3 (01:41:40):
Stop or my mom will shoot? Who played the mom?

Speaker 2 (01:41:43):
Like, yeah, it was.

Speaker 10 (01:41:46):
Whatever.

Speaker 7 (01:41:47):
Let's say Swarts and your turned down Cobra, especially with
that villain, that's a big mistake.

Speaker 4 (01:41:53):
Linda writes, and I don't know what she's talking about.
She says, you may have covered this already. I've been
reading on social media that Tom Brady will her and
as general manager.

Speaker 2 (01:42:01):
General manager. Wonder if it's true.

Speaker 8 (01:42:04):
Okay, there's some fake news going around the Raiders or US.
There's some stuff, a fake news graphic going around because
my grandma, who barely speaks a look of English, sent
me the other day, Oh, Tom Braid he's coming to
join the ownership. And I was like, no, he's a
part owner of the Raiders. And he's like, Oh, that's
what Facebook said.

Speaker 5 (01:42:24):
That's what just happens all the time. My dad will.

Speaker 8 (01:42:30):
It's a fake graphic.

Speaker 2 (01:42:34):
Let's see Mitch and Saratoga.

Speaker 4 (01:42:35):
I'm going to be in town on Saturday for post malone,
and I'm wondering what the best place to eat dinner
around town is any type of food?

Speaker 20 (01:42:42):
Well, for you in Boston is a million town is Yeah,
So if he means Foxborough, there's you know, Davio's, There's
all the restaurants at Patrio Place.

Speaker 4 (01:42:54):
There's Luciano's down the street. If you want the best nachos,
go to four in Franklin.

Speaker 2 (01:43:00):
Really yeah, I.

Speaker 3 (01:43:01):
Think I've been there. I think I've been there.

Speaker 7 (01:43:05):
Nas are off in my celebration meal, like and I
was really desperate for an apartment.

Speaker 2 (01:43:08):
In l A.

Speaker 7 (01:43:09):
And I finally got one, and I was like, I'm
going out for nacho. I just chew myself to a
big ass plated chicken.

Speaker 2 (01:43:15):
Is pretty good. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:43:19):
I usually I like to wait about a month or so,
let them work out the kinks.

Speaker 7 (01:43:23):
With new restaurants. I don't want to go charge it
into new places because the barbecue players, like you feel bad.
They're overwhelmed, they don't have stuff yet, and you don't
want to judge it while they're still getting a going,
you know.

Speaker 8 (01:43:31):
Seeing barbecue. I was at Robert T. Lynch yesterday, the
golf course in Brookline. Fancy and it's not that fancy,
but uh, anyways, long story short, some of the best
fried chicken I've ever had in the entire state. I
had the clubhouse restaurants called the Hemlock Grill, and they
had like a barbecue smoker going the whole time. I

(01:43:53):
didn't try the barbecue, but the fried chicken was so
freaking good that I want to try the barbecue. But
also it's one of those things where it's like, I
don't know if I could ever not get that fried
chicken sandwich.

Speaker 2 (01:44:04):
Oh it's a sandwich.

Speaker 8 (01:44:05):
Well, they have fried chicken. They have fried chicken sandwiches,
they have. I got a Nashville Hot one.

Speaker 4 (01:44:09):
It was so so if you like fried chicken, like
off the bone, like real fried chicken, and sham on
the cake, okay, seafood salms and sandwich on Friday. On
the weekends they have a fried chicken dinner. You have
to wait a little longer because it's made to order. Decadent.
It's decadent. Yeah. Yeah, so with all places seafood sands

(01:44:30):
for the fried Well, that's why.

Speaker 8 (01:44:32):
I was confused about this golf course having randomly like
a delicious scratched chicken good Southern barbecue chicken.

Speaker 4 (01:44:41):
Mitch and Saratago also reminds me that and a lot
of people have sent this in. He was playing connections
in the New York Times and the first two words
were Chicago Pope, but also in that same one was
Rocky and Gladiator. Right, Oh, is that me or you?

Speaker 2 (01:44:59):
You? I don't know, why is I usually never have
this answer. No, I'm not gonna answer. I'll put him on.
I'll put him on there.

Speaker 5 (01:45:08):
We definitely got some some people, uh, some terminator people
that were standing their ground on our discussion.

Speaker 4 (01:45:17):
Yeah, but people were convinced that whoever did that day's
connection for the New York Times listens to our show.

Speaker 2 (01:45:24):
But Chicago Pope was kind of in the news, So
I don't know about the other stuff. Yeah, they have
Rocky in.

Speaker 3 (01:45:29):
The Chicago Pope. I just I wonder where they came
up with that.

Speaker 5 (01:45:33):
Right the same place that we came up with it.

Speaker 4 (01:45:38):
People just upset with Evan good I like making people upset.
Kevin and Dublin says, Evan just described daft punk as
alt rock. Does he think Metallica is techno? How about
the jazz virtue also known as Marilyn Manson or a
great trans group called the Beatles.

Speaker 2 (01:45:57):
So sorry, you've got to learn your genres.

Speaker 4 (01:46:00):
I'm so sorry you don't know, but you.

Speaker 3 (01:46:04):
So How would we describe daft punk? I don't know,
like I mean, like like trying. I only say this,
there's great I would think of it.

Speaker 8 (01:46:12):
I don't know the difference.

Speaker 7 (01:46:13):
There's amazing videos on the online and the internets where
they show the like the music, and they go and
and how dapt punk like cut little pieces of all
the different songs to like make something like get Lucky.
And it's just the most random little nuggets of sound
from so many weird songs that some you've heard of,
some you haven't, And they somehow put all these pieces together,

(01:46:35):
slow some of them downsteet some and all of a sudden,
it's like and then they hit playing all of them
once and you're like, oh, that's get lucky.

Speaker 3 (01:46:39):
Like I don't even know how those guys do what
they do.

Speaker 4 (01:46:42):
Crazy Jesse Justin says, I'm right there with Evan about Prince.
I thought for years it was some clone of Michael Jackson.
Then I started to listen to him, and I realized
why the Olds love Purple Rain.

Speaker 2 (01:46:56):
It's not even you an.

Speaker 5 (01:46:57):
Old is a great song, but I like the album.
I already know the whole album, okay, Like I already
knew the song Purple Rain, like I was getting into
more of the deep cuts.

Speaker 2 (01:47:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:47:09):
He was pretty brilliant when it came to like the
business side of things too, which I didn't realize until recently.

Speaker 5 (01:47:14):
I just like have a like for like performers, like
he like would like bring the house. He was and
he was a musician and he was so yeah, Like
it wasn't like he was just standing up there.

Speaker 2 (01:47:25):
You know.

Speaker 7 (01:47:25):
You can know you enjoyed Manlo last night he put
on a show, Ben and Brooklyn.

Speaker 4 (01:47:34):
He says, not all eighties, he said, not all eighties
music is new wave. Tears for Fears wrote songs with
compelling lyrics and imaginative guitars. Their songs have been covered
a lot over the years. I was singing, everyone wants
in the world, just this morning in the shower.

Speaker 3 (01:47:50):
Just everybody too, thank you for that. Yeah, just just
just this morning.

Speaker 4 (01:48:01):
See, everyone wants to talk about music now, so let's
let them talk about music.

Speaker 2 (01:48:07):
Let's see who is this? I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:48:10):
It says I've got a lot of problems with you people,
and now you're going to hear about it. I've now
heard two of the most egregious takes ever when it
comes to music on this podcast. First, during the emergency
podcast when Mayo was fired, Paul said Stevie Nicks was
Fleetwood Mac and as big a Fleetwood Mac fan as
I am a Patriot fan. This is unacceptable by Paul.

(01:48:34):
Many of their biggest hits were sung by.

Speaker 2 (01:48:36):
The late great Christine mcviee and Lindsey Buckingham was critical
to their sound too. And then multiple panelists take Neil
Diamond over James Taylor. I disavowed this sacrilege and urge
you to do the same.

Speaker 7 (01:48:48):
Fred, so I would say that the Fleetwood Mac I
agree with the Fleetwood MA.

Speaker 8 (01:48:54):
Well, I also picked James Taylor, so I would guess
I agree.

Speaker 5 (01:48:57):
With the thing.

Speaker 3 (01:48:58):
I can totally hear that the other.

Speaker 5 (01:48:59):
Side, Break the Chain is one of their best songs.

Speaker 3 (01:49:02):
But they and they were all a huge part, Like
Fleetwood Mac would not have been the same without any
of john the members and.

Speaker 8 (01:49:08):
Their drama was so crucial to it all correct.

Speaker 3 (01:49:10):
Which is kind of why I made the pin. I
just feel like Stevie Nicks was the best of and
maybe I misspoke by saying she was Fleetwood Mac. That's
probably strong, so I can totally take the criticism there.
The other one is just like your preference. But I
think they think James Taylor has a million great songs.
I would rather see Neil Diamond in concert than James
Taylor and Fleetwood Mac had.

Speaker 7 (01:49:30):
I think everybody else had solo projects, but nobody did
Leather and Lace, right, Like that's Stevie Nicks, like she
she had like the solo she.

Speaker 3 (01:49:37):
Had them one with Don Henley too. She had great
great duets. That was because of Jimmy Iovine, who was
her boyfriend at the time, and he cherry picked all
these like duets for her to do and he interested.
That's how her solo career really kind of Bella Donna came.
I think around that time.

Speaker 2 (01:49:55):
Get to some VH one Behind the Music.

Speaker 3 (01:49:58):
Another documentary. Maybe you should call to yourself and do
something other than watch the papers.

Speaker 4 (01:50:02):
I just listen to Hearty Show and I get all
the info because he talks about the songs Jasper and Portland.
Rumor has it that the MBTA will be upgrading the
Foxborough commuter rail station to develop world standards and anticipation
of FIFA, which is great news.

Speaker 3 (01:50:18):
That sounds good, Okay.

Speaker 4 (01:50:20):
In addition to that, I think Craft should pay for
additional trains on game days to ease off pressure on traffic,
cut down on dois.

Speaker 2 (01:50:29):
I don't know what that means.

Speaker 4 (01:50:30):
I would take a train if I didn't, if it
didn't show up so close to kickoff and leave so
soon after.

Speaker 7 (01:50:36):
Yeah, the afterpart is a tough It's hard to thread
the needle. It's just a little intimidating where you're like
you got to get the train out and there's only
a specific time you can come in, especially if you're.

Speaker 2 (01:50:44):
Making it great to have multiples.

Speaker 8 (01:50:46):
Yeah, well, it should come down this far on a
more regular basis. I feel like I feel like it
goes so far north every day on a regular schedule.

Speaker 5 (01:50:54):
Yeah, the Tough Party. You can take the tea to Lowell.

Speaker 7 (01:50:57):
Yeah, maybe they pump in Pup Game Show into the train.

Speaker 2 (01:51:02):
I'm not sure if it's been said, but if you
could get a licensed edit of Dire Straits Money for
Nothing without stings singing about MTV into the intro in
the riff, that would go so hard during games, so hard.

Speaker 7 (01:51:17):
We can't do, like I sing, we can't play any music, right, Like,
there's nothing we can do on the show because it's
you can sing it illegal?

Speaker 2 (01:51:22):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:51:22):
But even that I heard, it's like, is it well?

Speaker 2 (01:51:25):
We heard?

Speaker 5 (01:51:25):
I heard?

Speaker 2 (01:51:25):
I mean, we heard a story.

Speaker 8 (01:51:26):
You could argue parody if you're singing it.

Speaker 3 (01:51:28):
At least they got in trouble on ESPN for singing
Happy Birthday?

Speaker 8 (01:51:32):
How is that not in public domain?

Speaker 1 (01:51:34):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:51:36):
That's that's the story, and I'm sticking to it.

Speaker 7 (01:51:38):
You know, maybe it was you know, exaggerated to persuade
us from ever doing it.

Speaker 8 (01:51:42):
But how is the happy Birthday song not in public domain?
Who wrote that?

Speaker 5 (01:51:49):
They're definitely talking about you, Royalty?

Speaker 3 (01:51:55):
Is that Matt Smith? This good stuff?

Speaker 2 (01:51:57):
Is that?

Speaker 5 (01:51:57):
No song?

Speaker 3 (01:51:58):
No song, no socks? Enjoyed himself. He must have been
in his own did he have a beer with a
hole in it? He did not. No, No, that's enjoy it.
No he did not. It was Wednesday. That stuff to do.

Speaker 5 (01:52:10):
No socks.

Speaker 2 (01:52:11):
I mean.

Speaker 4 (01:52:13):
Some way, Steven rally is a football question. If the
defense is in the top ten or twelve, how good
does the offense need to be to be relevant or
viable for playoff contention?

Speaker 2 (01:52:23):
In what.

Speaker 3 (01:52:26):
Top ten or twelve?

Speaker 2 (01:52:27):
In what points allowed? So where? Like?

Speaker 3 (01:52:31):
Where have they been in recent years?

Speaker 5 (01:52:32):
They were in the twenties. Last year they were not good.

Speaker 8 (01:52:35):
Yeah, the year before they were.

Speaker 3 (01:52:37):
I don't I don't think any I don't know. I'm
making up points. The offense has to be good. I
don't think it really. I mean, I think the offense
needs to be good. There are I don't care how
good the defense is. If you can't score, you're not
gonna win a lot of games.

Speaker 7 (01:52:47):
We talked about this last year where there's like there's
like it's not like great defenses that win championships. I mean,
like there's certainly defenses that peak at the right time,
but you just need to be able to say we
have a good enough team to win. To win the
Super Bowl, the offense has to be the driver to
get there.

Speaker 2 (01:53:03):
And win the game.

Speaker 3 (01:53:04):
You know, I think if you have a good offense,
you know, there's probably twenty eight teams that have a
good enough defense to win the Super Bowl if.

Speaker 5 (01:53:09):
They were twenty first last year and twenty four and
a half points per game allowed, So better than that?

Speaker 2 (01:53:16):
What about over just is there an overall defense.

Speaker 5 (01:53:19):
Bout the yards? Technically? I hate that anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:53:23):
We don't do that right Matthew and Arizona.

Speaker 4 (01:53:27):
I remember buying Green Day Dookie on cassette tape and
strawberries in nineteen ninety four. Anyway, I feel like we
need a from Red to Blue mini series covering the
Patriots from nineteen sixty to nineteen ninety nine. There's a
lot of great history with the team not covered. You
get generations that need to know.

Speaker 2 (01:53:45):
What came before, like the injury of Darryl Stingley, for example,
Jim Plunkett, Steve Grogan, et cetera.

Speaker 5 (01:53:50):
I agree with that. I don't think that there's anything
out there, and I know their history isn't as decorated
as like the Celtics history or whatever terms of winning,
but I think there's a lot of really great players.
You know, John Hannas Stanley Morgan.

Speaker 7 (01:54:04):
So I've been talking to I mean, that's kind of
why I want to do just a little something with
the eighty five team, because I've said it many times,
but going back and watching the team and like the
TV copy and listening to the announcers talk, and you
really experience the games, you know, as a fan, you
get to know the team in a way that you know,
you could have told me, oh, Raymond Claiborne, sure he played,
I know. Then I watched the games and like, this
guy was an outstanding cornerback. I mean they wouldn't even

(01:54:26):
throw at him, you know, those kind of things. I
totally agree with the email that there's a there were,
you know there with the seventy six team, what was
really good fell short in Oakland, within Oakland at that point.

Speaker 3 (01:54:37):
I got the eighty five team the ninety six team.

Speaker 7 (01:54:41):
Which I got refreshed a little bit reading about parcels
as well. You know, there were It wasn't a straight line,
but you can kind of connect some of the dots
to each decade and a real quick aside. I mean,
you guys, like eighties they went to a Super Bowl,
Nineties they went to a Super Bowl oughts they went
to a Super Bowl. Teams they went to a Super
Bowl were now twenty twenty five, Like this could be
the first time since the nineteen seventies that the Patriotic

(01:55:03):
Station deduced Super Bowl turning up the pressure on Mike Vrabel,
Mike your move.

Speaker 2 (01:55:07):
You got five years.

Speaker 5 (01:55:08):
But like I feel like now that we've were post
Brady and my generation has had a little bit of
taste of it not winning every single year, Like you
have a new appreciation for did some of those older
Patriots teams before Brady that like the nineties teams and
stuff like that, that were really good teams that now
if you told me that we were going to be

(01:55:29):
the ninety six Patriots, you would take that into heartbeat, right.

Speaker 3 (01:55:32):
So the ninety six Patriots were a pretty good team. Yeah,
Like the eighty five team was okay, it was a
playoff caliber team. The ninety six team was a super
Bowl caliber team. They probably would have lost in Denver
had Denver not gotten upset by Jacksonville. Denver was better
than the Patriots that year, but they were super Bowl worthy.

(01:55:53):
They just weren't quite good enough that day against green Bay.
Green Bay was better and they kicked it. That's what
kind of happened.

Speaker 7 (01:55:58):
So that's I mean watching there's so many parallelowing to
eighty plus you had touchdown from that eighty fister defense
to some of the bad Patriots teams. Just like I
said it before, where you just see recurring themes within football.
Even though the game is completely different than it was
in the eighties, you still understand it's about takeaways, it's
about capitalizing all mistakes. You know, it's being able to
run the ball at the end of the game. Those

(01:56:19):
kind of things like that. There are certain truths that
just you see continue to be true.

Speaker 3 (01:56:24):
And that team, the ninety six team, you know, they
got really banged up in ninety seven. They would have
had a really good chance to get back and they
end up losing. You know, Curtis and Terry Glenn and
all those guys are out in the playoffs. It was
basically Drew and Sean Jefferson, I think. But yeah, you

(01:56:45):
know why it wasn't enough.

Speaker 7 (01:56:46):
Mike Rabel right stripsacker drew seven to six Division around win.

Speaker 4 (01:56:53):
David Manila has some music stories. He says, I used
to work at the stadium and other venues as a
concert stage hand before I left for the Philippines, and
that gave me the opportunity to hear all kinds of music.
I grew up with the Beatles, CSNN, Why Aretha before
moving on to Aerosmith led Zeppelin, but I've always appreciated
hearing new music. I remember working the Madonna show at

(01:57:15):
Foxboro Stadium and how bad she smelled after the sound check.
I remember the inflatable pig getting stuck on the cable
in the middle of the show.

Speaker 2 (01:57:23):
One time, I took my new bride.

Speaker 4 (01:57:24):
Our thirty third anniversaries today just Congratulations to see Elton
John and Billy Joel and we got to see one
of my coworkers fall out of the lighting trust onto
the drum riser.

Speaker 2 (01:57:36):
Before the show started. She recovered. Thank God.

Speaker 4 (01:57:38):
My wife looked at me and said, do you ever
do that, to which I said yes, but without the
falling part. The next night, I was on duty at
Great Woods and the stage manager had me climb up
to the trusk to run the spotlight for Peter Gabriel
A right times.

Speaker 3 (01:57:52):
My wife loves Peter Gabriel.

Speaker 5 (01:57:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:57:54):
I think Andy was at that Elton John Billy Joel
one that was your nineties.

Speaker 3 (01:58:00):
I don't remember think so.

Speaker 2 (01:58:01):
Uh Boston Cream. One more question for all of us.
If you could play any professional sport for your career,
which sport would you pick? And why? Basketball, Golf, hockey, hockey.

Speaker 3 (01:58:14):
Yeah, probably baseball.

Speaker 5 (01:58:17):
Baseball is probably the best money.

Speaker 3 (01:58:18):
Pay damage to the body.

Speaker 5 (01:58:21):
Yeah, that's why I like basketball kind of friends, and
that's I understand why you would pay.

Speaker 3 (01:58:26):
Basketball is probably the best pay.

Speaker 5 (01:58:28):
Yeah, Basketball is probably the best combination of pay.

Speaker 4 (01:58:31):
I would I would take tennis, pay celebrity, really hard
golf too.

Speaker 8 (01:58:37):
As a golf I would want to be a guy.

Speaker 2 (01:58:40):
Like the idea, Like.

Speaker 4 (01:58:42):
Obviously for any of our answers were really good at it, right,
we're not one of the benchwarmers.

Speaker 5 (01:58:49):
Like if I'm like.

Speaker 4 (01:58:50):
Top tennis, Like you're traveling all over the world to
these great locations, just staying in four or five star
hotels and you're playing tennis, Like what could be better?

Speaker 3 (01:59:01):
But it changes quick if you're like the seventieth rank guys,
Well that's what I.

Speaker 2 (01:59:04):
Say, Like in any of our answers were really good.

Speaker 3 (01:59:07):
Yeah, so if but if you're really good and like
when you want to be a quarterback or a football team,
better than I would like to be.

Speaker 8 (01:59:13):
Kind of incognito though, Like I'd like to still go
out and like live my life.

Speaker 5 (01:59:18):
That's the problem with basketball players, Like you're like.

Speaker 2 (01:59:21):
When you quarterback, you could play the senior Tour and golf.
For tennis, you can play the rest of your life.

Speaker 3 (01:59:26):
So I totally get the perks of golf and tennis.
I don't know about the individual sport though. Yeah, it's
really hard to get up.

Speaker 8 (01:59:32):
To that caddy on your team.

Speaker 3 (01:59:34):
I think I think I enjoyed like sort of the that.

Speaker 7 (01:59:39):
Team, the camaraderie, the team team building, like the locker room.

Speaker 2 (01:59:43):
I would miss that hard on you, Like what was
going on in the locker room.

Speaker 3 (01:59:48):
You don't you worry about it?

Speaker 2 (01:59:50):
So no, it's a good question.

Speaker 3 (01:59:52):
It's a great question. Yeah, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:59:54):
That's going to be it for this week of Patriots Unfiltered.
Let's next week.

Speaker 4 (02:00:00):
We have another motia on Monday, so we'll be out
there and then we'll talk about it on Tuesday.

Speaker 2 (02:00:05):
We'll see you next Tuesday.

Speaker 8 (02:00:09):
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Speaker 5 (02:00:23):
Thanks a lot,