Patriots Unfiltered 5/6: Joshua Dobbs In-Studio, Edelman to Pats HOF, Offseason Workouts

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We just saw the whole team as we were walking in.

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They were coming off the field, so coming off either
coming off and a little.

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Wet out there.

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Yeah, it's miserable.

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Nice to see the boys out there getting some working,
you know.

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They're very excited to see.

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Let's move on?

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All right?

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I guess we have some draft profiles going up on.

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Good stuff going up.

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You guys have been working on talking to the coach.

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Welcome you to check those out on pat dot com.

Speaker 5 (02:27):
Julian Edelman has been announced as the latest Patriots Hall
of Famer and very happy for him. Well deserved, but
I have to admit I voted for Adam Vinteri, and
I think he should have gone in first, not that
both of them aren't equally deserving, but just let's get
some of the older guys in. Uh but good for

(02:50):
good for Julian. That'll be fun. I don't know when
they're going to be having the induction ceremony, of course
is going to include Bill Parcells as well. Uh So
they'll have to figure out when the gonna do that.
Sometimes they do it in the summer around training camp
in or August. Sometimes they do it during the season.

Speaker 4 (03:08):
Uh.

Speaker 7 (03:08):
Well, we're a little bit in like the wake of
Tom Brady Knight, which was unique and completely its own things.

Speaker 1 (03:14):
Now that has to stay its own right again.

Speaker 8 (03:18):
Are we're going back to in the atrium over there.

Speaker 1 (03:21):
Or that would make my vote is to go back
on the plaza.

Speaker 3 (03:24):
I think just a great venue.

Speaker 5 (03:26):
Just bang it out. You know, you've got the people
sitting on the stairs and people down it. Really it's
a good look. You've got the built in stage right there.
I think it's perfect, and you know it would be
a great event. Obviously it's not gonna be Brady, but
Brady has to stay Brady.

Speaker 1 (03:43):
Yeah, you'll never equal that.

Speaker 7 (03:45):
Yeah, I mean Bill's will be probably something special onto
itself when it eventually happens. I don't know what it
would be, but I mean I think that Elman's would
be a good time.

Speaker 1 (03:54):
That'sact.

Speaker 8 (03:55):
He's gonna be sure.

Speaker 7 (03:56):
Kronk will be here, ready to ready to party, and
absolutely Cronk will go in next year.

Speaker 8 (04:00):
So it's too bad you can't do.

Speaker 5 (04:01):
I think whatever you do, you have to be able
to take advantage of Edelman's personality and if Gronk comes,
take advantage of him and the two of them together,
maybe you recreate their podcast right there in the stage.

Speaker 8 (04:12):
Dudes, have them do it on dudes on stage at
the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 3 (04:16):
Again, it is not a great name due that dude.
Depends on your perspective, you know, I guess can.

Speaker 7 (04:23):
I ask you, guys, what was your impressions that Julian
Edelman as a young seventh round draft pick when he
arrived here and he and did he ping your radar
at all? Was just another kid? You're like, oh, a
seventh rounder, they're going to try to make it.

Speaker 3 (04:34):
Cuably one of the worst first impressions that we've really
for a player that ended up being significant, you know,
I mean, I'm not talking about guys that you know,
didn't look good. Three weeks later they were cut, never
heard from again. This is a guy who obviously went
on to have a long career eleven years, twelve year career. Tough,

(04:55):
training camp, tough this time of year. The OTAs slipping
a lot on the field, dropping punts everywhere, like, looked
like a guy who was trying to figure out all
these different things that he was being asked to do
that were sort of new because he was a quarterback.
So we want you to learn how to run routes
and be a wide receiver. We're gonna have you be

(05:15):
a return guy, jack of all trades. And I think
he was trying to do too much too fast. You
need to sort of slow down. But initially it was rough.

Speaker 1 (05:25):
It was rough, and.

Speaker 5 (05:25):
Once he got on the field in a position, then
that was different. Well it was a little different. But injuries,
you know, kept kind of you know, stunting his growth
a little bit.

Speaker 7 (05:35):
I think he broke his arm his first year, remember
him spiking with his left I remember how he was
having a good game in Baltimore one year and he
got hurt and then finally you know, he got his rhythm.

Speaker 3 (05:46):
Yeah yeah, But once he got to training camp, I mean,
once he got to the preseason, like it was immediate,
unbelievable first impression, right, you know, and he takes the
punt back for a touchdown. So from from like May
to July, amazing how fast. You know, Andy and I
were like, wow, is that the same guy that couldn't
catch the ball like a month ago, And all of

(06:08):
a sudden he just started making plays. And that's what
I think made him a little bit different, a little
bit special. There's a lot of players like, you know,
you get lathered up, you know, like I need some touches.
You know, I'm a running back. I can't just get
three or four carries. But once I once I get
fifteen or twenty carries, I'm going to start. Julian didn't
need that. He was one of those guys that he

(06:30):
was called upon, you know, a couple of times that
first two three four years when Welco was still here,
they called on him occasionally, and he almost always made
the play. When he was asked to make a play,
he went in and made a play and then he
would be out for a while. And like Fred said,
he had to deal with all the injuries and stuff,
so he was constantly starting and stopping, but it didn't
stop him from contributing when giving the opportunity. That's what

(06:53):
I thought.

Speaker 5 (06:54):
And there was one year I think it was the
year at the year that we drafted high Tower in
Chandler Jones, and I think that was there that Bill said, Okay,
Edelman's going to start and Overwhelker. Remember that, and then
he got don't and then Welker came had to come
back in.

Speaker 3 (07:12):
Don't remember Edelman starting over Whelker. I remember Aaron Hernandez
taking that role over Whelker and that not working out,
But I don't remember that.

Speaker 5 (07:21):
I just remember, like you know, Edelman was in there.
It's like, oh, okay, they're gonna they're going to start
using Edelman and I think he got hurt again.

Speaker 7 (07:30):
And yeah, it's such a unique career first to be
drafted as a quarterback that they then converted to a
wide receiver. I remember that. I think it was second
week of two thousand and nine. Welker was out and
I remember el Edelman getting in there and playing and
being surprised that this kid was going to be able
to play in the signing what you guys call it

(07:52):
no grease sport, and then he's a little under the
radar there in ten eleven twelve of them played some defense,
which you.

Speaker 3 (08:00):
Know, so he was a lot of defense in eleven
like around.

Speaker 7 (08:03):
But I have so many more distinct memories of Julian
Edelman over Wes Welker. I didn't want it to get
into a comparison of the two. I love Wes Welker.
I think he should be in the Hall of Fame comparison.
But when I think about specific moments in a career,
I can think of so many for Julian we Welker
was like, hey, nine passes, caught nine passes, you know,
Like I just seem like he always caught nine passes.

(08:23):
But Edelman had just so many famous catches that stick
out in my mind, so many famous and I don't
even know why, like all of them, like the left
handed spike against the Colts his rookie year when he
came back and had to play with an injury, that
come back in twenty thirteen against the Broncos, where he
from a spiked one that was kind of his coming
out party. But you know, we spent so much time

(08:44):
trying to figure out, like why can no receivers get
it in the system. And he was just such an
interesting player who it took a little while for him
to really get it. It took a little while for him
to get an opportunity, and thirteen year or twelve, he
went in the offseason to talk to the Giants.

Speaker 8 (08:56):
He could have left, and they were able to keep him.

Speaker 7 (08:59):
And then you know, it almost becomes like unconscionable to
think of, like sixteen seventeen, like letting Julian Edelman walk,
like you had your guy right here. So I just
such an interesting journey and he was such an interesting.

Speaker 5 (09:10):
His playoff performances speak for themselves. I mean, that's what
got him into the Hall of Fame for the Patriots.
Just just amazing productivity in those games, taking big hits.

Speaker 7 (09:22):
I mean, how many third down catches did he have
in Super Bowls where it's you take back any one
of those one plays and they have one or two,
maybe even three less titles with his contributions in those games.

Speaker 4 (09:33):
So he has multiple plays in his career that are
maybe some of the best plays in Patriots playoff history
in that run, I mean, the Cam Chancellor hit over
the middle against Seattle is just you know, that kind
of encapitulates everything with him. But he scores the game.
When he touchdown against Seattle, he's pointing to the to

(09:55):
Brady points to McDaniels, and you know that catches iconic
that obviously they want to again as Atlanta's iconic, like
the touchdown pass against Baltimore in the playoffs and fourteen iconic,
Like you don't have a lot of guys that are
that aren't quarterbacks that are able to have that kind
of resume of just you know, stand out plays like him.

(10:15):
But to Paul's point about how he started, like that's
what I feel like everybody fall fell in love with
Julian Edelman was because he was the underdog and or whatever.
We love the underdog here.

Speaker 3 (10:27):
He was always ready and that's what really impressed me
about him. You guys know enough the way I talk
about receivers that that's not really my kind of receiver, right, yeah, sure,
So for me to talk about guys like Welker and
Edelman the way I do in Troy Brown, this there's
there's a skill set there and just a reliability that
those three guys all had in common, Like they just

(10:49):
were so dependable and they came through every single time.
And that's Evan's right about the plays that you remember
in the playoffs. You know, those kinds of moments for
for Edelman, that's what made him stand out.

Speaker 5 (11:02):
I mean, ultimate team guy, you know, always alert into
the game on the sideline, talking to his teammates. Just
you know, that mental toughness that he had is what
you know had him overcome everything else. You know, his
size and every you know, he wasn't the fastest guy,
he wasn't the biggest guy, but he just had that

(11:25):
mental toughness, that competitive nature that you know, that's what
you want all your players to have.

Speaker 4 (11:31):
He was incredibly strong for his size, and I remember
players like comparing him to like a UFC fighter in
terms of just like pound for pound strength and his
conditioning and how he would just kind of just bump
you off of routes and things like that, you know, subtly,
and he just wouldn't notice or think that it was
going to be as strong of a blow as it was.

(11:53):
Or you know, him blocking in the run game too,
which was a big part of that role in the offense.
So I feel like that was probably one of the
more underrated traits of his was his play strength and
his ability to just make a room for himself, you know,
over the middle of the field, especially at the top
of routes. You know, obviously his quickness stands out and
things like that too, but just his play strength was

(12:15):
was something that talking to people that faced him would
always bring up, like, you know, it's underrated that he's
really strong at the top of the rod.

Speaker 5 (12:23):
If you look at all the you know, the three
big slot receivers for the Patriots, Edelman, Troy Brown, and Welker,
a lot of them was stronger than you give them.

Speaker 4 (12:33):
You know, people knew, yeah they're really good.

Speaker 1 (12:35):
Yeah, Welker could break tackles like.

Speaker 3 (12:38):
All three of them had. I would say what Evan's
talking about. Edelman may have had the most out of
those three in terms of play strength, but I think
all three of them were good blockers. You know, it's
no secret two of those guys played defense too, because
Troy Brown did it before Edelman did it. Yeah, they
were football players.

Speaker 5 (12:54):
Yeah, yep, So that that's that happened a couple of
days ago, so congratuate relations, Julian Edelman or it happened yesterday. Yeah, yeah,
let's track of time around here very easily.

Speaker 3 (13:06):
I do like that, you know, back to the ceremony.
I I do like that venue of the plaza. I
think it looks great. I think the backdrop is great.
You see people lined up up the stairs, you know,
and I think it should be kind of an intimate thing. Yeah,
you know, but I'm sure we'll get overruled on that.

Speaker 5 (13:25):
I mean, you know, I think it's really cool, like
you could be just happen to be a patriot place
on a day and having it. It's like, whoa, I
can just go to this. They could just you know,
pop in, which I think is really cool.

Speaker 4 (13:36):
Yeah yeah, yeah, definitely that bad aspect of it. You know,
it's usually free and you can just kind of show
up and you know, have a pretty good seat a
pretty good view of the stage, like you don't, you know,
I always have that if you're in the stadium and
you have a seat that's pretty far away from where
the stage is set up and everything. So I agree

(13:56):
with you, guys, I think that's the best spot.

Speaker 5 (13:58):
And then in addition to that, they would still like
pick a halftime right where they bring them out.

Speaker 4 (14:03):
Yes, yeah, usually early on in the season. I remember
obviously Rabel's halftime was pretty well documented what exactly he
had to say during that, So I don't think the
Titans were too No.

Speaker 3 (14:19):
Might make an argument that that's the reason why Mike
Rabels now the Patriots.

Speaker 5 (14:23):
But you know, I did get a lot of emails
from people, and I see a lot of comments like
some people are upset that Vinitary didn't go in first.

Speaker 3 (14:32):
I agree with that. I gain that is the common
interaction I've had, that the people are upset. But I mean, again,
we're dealing with all Lucke Hall of famers. Yeah, so
I'm not going to lose much sleep over the order
that these guys get in. I agree with you, Fred.
To me, this would have been Edelman by far right,

(14:53):
I mean, Vinitari by far But you know, as long
as they all get in, which I'm not so sure
is going to happened, But as long as they all
get in, I wouldn't have any You.

Speaker 5 (15:02):
Know, next year, Gronk's going to be eligible, so then
you know, you imagine that Vinitaria will get nominated again,
and it'll be going up against Gronk, and so he
might have to wait a little bit.

Speaker 4 (15:12):
Yeah. Yeah, I mean there's a recency bias there obviously,
And I think I would have voted for Vinitary personally,
but I could have. Well I did, but I'm just saying, well,
here's what that's a better way to put it.

Speaker 3 (15:25):
I would have.

Speaker 4 (15:25):
I did vote.

Speaker 5 (15:27):
They might already be doing this, but here's what I'm
going to suggest going forward, is they make a special
appeal to season ticket holders to vote, because a lot
of our season ticket holders, the people who actually own
the account, are older, and so they would have that
appreciation for the early two thousand people.

Speaker 1 (15:46):
Make sure they all vote.

Speaker 5 (15:47):
Whatever it is in a newsletter or you know, a
personal letter, you know, asking them to vote, to make
sure you get that older vote out there.

Speaker 4 (15:57):
Yeah, I mean, it just it is what it is.
I know. I we talked about our preferences for Vinetaria,
you know, on the show before when you guys did
the committee me.

Speaker 5 (16:07):
I mean, big Head had a survey just today and
like seventy percent said.

Speaker 3 (16:11):
Yah, So I don't know if I said this. There
were a lot of people that reached out to me
and were kind of annoyed.

Speaker 1 (16:17):
Yeah, so I don't know, like what what happened.

Speaker 3 (16:19):
I wish I could say I were supreme.

Speaker 1 (16:21):
I know you you were on at Paul you.

Speaker 5 (16:24):
I I thought that the fans would I think the
way I was thinking and say, okay, Vinitary first.

Speaker 3 (16:30):
A difference between me and you. I don't tell people
how they should think. I thought they would think.

Speaker 1 (16:34):
Like me, right, I did.

Speaker 5 (16:36):
I thought that they would because I'm I'm I'm a fan,
you know, I look at it as a fan. And
let's get Vinetarian first. You know, all the things he
did started off the dynasty and Edelman will have his day,
Gronk will have his day. But you know, where everything
is equal, let's just do it in chronological order.

Speaker 7 (16:56):
I think it's hard hard on the Edelman has a
platform of the podcast, and I mean he's still on
the cutting edge, and you know, Venetarians a little bit
out of the out of the off the.

Speaker 8 (17:05):
Beaten path now being out of the league a little bit.

Speaker 4 (17:07):
Well, it's just a combination too of like fans that
are my age and younger that that didn't really live
those years, as well as other people. But then also
fans that jumped on the bandwagon once the Patriots became
the Patriots and started really being fans, you know, four
h five or somewhere around along that line. And then
at that point vinitari is is not really on the

(17:29):
team anymore. Right, So it's from both angles. But you know,
for my generation of Patriots fans, there's no doubt about
it that, you know, I connect more with Edelman and
Gronk and high Tower and mccordy and you know, those
players and that generation of team. But it doesn't mean
I do you think it matter?

Speaker 5 (17:51):
Do you think as a fan of any team there's
a responsibility to know its history?

Speaker 4 (17:56):
Yeah, I would agree.

Speaker 1 (17:58):
Like I'm not.

Speaker 5 (17:58):
Arguing that Ted Williams was a great Red Sox or
you know, Jojo White was a great Celtic.

Speaker 3 (18:06):
You know, But can I ask you a question, and
I'm not trying I'm not trying to start debate.

Speaker 1 (18:12):
Start it up.

Speaker 3 (18:12):
Do you think it's like ridiculous that Edelman got in
before Vinetato.

Speaker 1 (18:16):
I don't think it's ridiculous. I don't think it's ridiculous.

Speaker 3 (18:19):
I don't necessarily need to take shot. I mean, this
is going to come as a shocker. T people who
have listened to me over the years. I don't like
the fans chose.

Speaker 1 (18:28):
No, I'm not thinking shy.

Speaker 3 (18:30):
There were four guys that are just absolute no brainer candidates.

Speaker 1 (18:33):
Yeah, I'm just surprised, that's all. I'm just surprised.

Speaker 5 (18:36):
I'm a little surprised that people aren't thinking about it
the way I'm thinking about it.

Speaker 3 (18:40):
But it's not And I'm not going to get disrespectful
because I've done that in the past and I always
feel bad about it later. But it's not like some
of the missteps that have been made in previous years. Yeah,
where a guy who got in was kind of a
borderline candidate to begin with and got in over a
guy who was in the Pro Football Hall of Fame
and Richard Seymour.

Speaker 5 (18:58):
No, and I'm not saying that the pro says should
be changed either. And for those people who don't know,
there's a committee that meets once a year. They nominate
three people to be then presented to the fans for
a fan vote, and it's one hundred percent of fan vote.
I don't think that process should be changed, but I

(19:18):
just I was just surprised that fans didn't say, yeah, Vinitary.

Speaker 7 (19:22):
First Yeah, when did you guys, when did these start
the Hall of Fame start putting people into the Hall
of Fame?

Speaker 8 (19:28):
Like what years?

Speaker 3 (19:28):
Well, see, that's the problem of six, six or seven? Well,
when was the first year of the committee?

Speaker 5 (19:33):
Yeah, the committee I think was back then. I think
because Patriot Place had been or was being built at
the time. That was seven anyway. But the problem the
Sullivan started the Hall of Fame prior. So they created
like a Hall of Fame and retired some numbers, and
big mistake. Not that a lot of those people shouldn't

(19:55):
be in the pages Hall of Fame, but it's tough
for a franchise to start doing hall all the things
before the team has accomplished anything.

Speaker 7 (20:02):
That's what I was gonna say, you know, because even
at that point you were, I mean, you knew you
were in the middle of success. You would won three
Super Bowls. But I mean, not every team retires a
player every year into their own team hall of Fame, Like,
not every team has that kind of talent pool where
and when.

Speaker 5 (20:17):
You do that and then your team finally does have success,
then you look back at those people and they really
shouldn't be with these people, you know, So you have
to be careful about that.

Speaker 4 (20:26):
It's crazy to think about it that way, Douce, because
we're arguing about two very worthy candidates. Other teams might
not have a single candidate that's worthy, so they just
skip it all together. But you know the point about
the history. I'm trying to catch up with Celtic City
and watch as much of it as I can, and
at some point I do hope that there's a version
of that for the Patriots where it truly takes you

(20:47):
through not the gossip and all that stuff, but the
actual football of it all.

Speaker 1 (20:52):
You want a wedding video.

Speaker 4 (20:53):
Yeah, And but like even like going back to like
John Hannah and you know, like the teams in the
seventies and things like that, because honestly, right now, there
isn't anything that really tells the story of like, you know,
I know that there were some really bad years, but
there are also years where they were a good team.

Speaker 1 (21:09):
Those late seventies teams were roaded the right.

Speaker 3 (21:12):
I would just push back and say, I really do
believe every team has one guy worthy of being in
the Hall of Fame every year.

Speaker 1 (21:19):
Every year.

Speaker 3 (21:20):
Yeah now, yeah, now, but the one exception I would
make is for newer franchises, Like if you've only been
around for fifteen to twenty years, you know the Texans
would go two. Okay, so maybe the Texans don't yet
have a guy, but teams that have been around for
fifty plus years have a guy. I mean, like, I

(21:40):
can give you guys that played in those teams that
aren't ever going to sniff the Hall of Fame that
are Hall of Fame worthy, Team hall of Fame worthy. Yeah, Like,
I think there's a difference. You've said this a lot, Fred,
and I agree with you. There's a difference between the
team Hall of Fame and greatness. Like the Pro Football
Hall of Fame is the great of the great right,
But like players like Fred Marion and Mosey Totupu and

(22:05):
you know, guys like that, they're worthy of a team
Hall of Fame record, Matthew Slater, those are team Hall
of Fame worthy players, even though that they're not right
the greats of the greats who have ever done a
football field, you know, Like, I think every team has that.

Speaker 5 (22:20):
Yeah, but I see, I'm I I agree that the
criteria for teams different than pro but I still think
I'm still a small Hall guy even.

Speaker 7 (22:29):
For team Well, he's just I mean, do you think
you're going to get to a place ever with the Patriots?

Speaker 8 (22:33):
And granted they have a backlog.

Speaker 3 (22:35):
Of where seven by the way.

Speaker 7 (22:37):
But do you get to a point where you're kind
of saying yourself, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (22:43):
I feel like you know, I mean, unless you.

Speaker 8 (22:47):
Bomer and you know at a.

Speaker 3 (22:50):
Ship sales, there's two of those already in you.

Speaker 1 (22:54):
I'll take I'll take the Jets for example.

Speaker 5 (22:56):
Okay, so they won a Super Bowl back in sixty
nine or whatever it was, right, and they put web
U Bank, who was the coach, in their Hall of Fame,
you know, their Ring of Honor or whatever it is.

Speaker 1 (23:06):
I don't think he should be. I really don't, you know,
you know, because like, okay, so he coached that team.

Speaker 7 (23:14):
But other than that, like right, well, I mean, you know,
the Jets just a very little success.

Speaker 5 (23:19):
Well that's even to the point like you can't force
feed it, you force feeded.

Speaker 3 (23:23):
Like you tell me that they don't have fifty great
players in their history.

Speaker 1 (23:27):
Well, I don't know. I haven't gone down their rosters
over the time, but probably not.

Speaker 3 (23:31):
That's ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (23:31):
Probably not.

Speaker 3 (23:32):
That's just ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (23:33):
Ryan, No, he wouldn't know. I wouldn't. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (23:36):
I wouldn't have Ryan, but I have you banks In
you would of course these kinds of guys that were
great players for them, like absolutely, I don't know, like
the storied quote unquote, I do that with quotes because
they've never really won anything, the storied history of the Jets.
But every team has great players. I mean you just

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like when I just said Hugh and you mean Kevin
Kevin Mawai, Like how many times is he your Pro
Bowl and All pros?

Speaker 1 (24:05):
Right?

Speaker 3 (24:06):
Is he not worthy of any consideration? Nick Mangold, No,
like like I mean, there's no Kevin Falk or anything.

Speaker 1 (24:18):
But I mean for a team hall of Fame, but
I might I might even argue with that, you know you.

Speaker 3 (24:23):
Might, yeah, but while you're talking, you should you would
want half of the Patriots Hall of Fame.

Speaker 5 (24:29):
That's kind of my point, Paul. You know, so for
a team that only like won one Super Bowl and
like they've been around for how many years now sixty
or something like that and.

Speaker 4 (24:40):
They've only won one time, that's pretty bad.

Speaker 5 (24:41):
You know, And I don't think that they have sixty
people worthy of their team Hall of Fame.

Speaker 3 (24:47):
I don't, that's silly. I don't if you have to
win a Super Bowl to be worried Hall of Fame.

Speaker 8 (24:51):
I just a couple of Camarti's kids.

Speaker 4 (24:54):
I mean, yeah, right, you've got like nine kids, Keshawn Johnson.

Speaker 3 (25:00):
If yet to name a players not better than two
guys that are in the Patriots Hall of Fame and
two guys that we voted into the Patriots Hall of Fame,
I'm ashamed to say.

Speaker 1 (25:12):
Oh, should Bill Parcells?

Speaker 3 (25:15):
Oh Jets? Yeah, probably guys.

Speaker 4 (25:20):
Bill Parcells just gets into every Hall of.

Speaker 8 (25:22):
Fame, Big Tuna, You're easy.

Speaker 3 (25:25):
When was the last time they had success that wasn't
involving him?

Speaker 1 (25:29):
I'm well, Rex Ryan, they did pretty well.

Speaker 8 (25:33):
Championships.

Speaker 5 (25:33):
Yeah, I would say he had equal success to Parcels.

Speaker 3 (25:37):
Okay, you can make that argument, you know, so both
of them are out. Yeah yeah, I mean you can
make that argument. That's a good argument. Okay, thank you.
I'm not completely unbending.

Speaker 7 (25:47):
Then he tested Birdie probably be in there too for them.

Speaker 3 (25:50):
Not for you guys. No, no, no, I just think that.

Speaker 1 (25:55):
I mean, let's put in Tom tupaunt it too.

Speaker 3 (25:59):
I thread, dull thread, we should put Tom tu Bran
for the Patriots for twenty minutes.

Speaker 5 (26:04):
You know a certain person would do it.

Speaker 3 (26:09):
We could get get me to a bad place where
I can get even on the ballot. You're taking into
a bad place.

Speaker 1 (26:16):
Now he was on my ballot.

Speaker 3 (26:17):
I know he was, Fred, but for different reasons. Really
you were no socks, were trying to do something.

Speaker 1 (26:23):
I don't know what you're talking about.

Speaker 4 (26:25):
Justice for West. Well, yeah, I know it's a bad pass, all.

Speaker 1 (26:30):
Right, Yeah, Now he should have caught it.

Speaker 4 (26:32):
It's a bit of both.

Speaker 1 (26:33):
It was a bit of both.

Speaker 3 (26:35):
He should he should He definitely should have caught it.

Speaker 1 (26:37):
It could have been it was behind him, face it.

Speaker 4 (26:39):
If it hits him and a touchdown, it's a bad
that's a bad pass.

Speaker 3 (26:42):
But he should have caught it. I'd like to think
the four thousand other catches that he had would have
overshadowed the one that he is. But I'm wrong.

Speaker 5 (26:51):
That's wh Just look at Welker's numbers for crying out loud.

Speaker 3 (26:55):
I mean, in half the amount of seasons, he had
better production than Edelman in literally half of the amount
of seasons.

Speaker 4 (27:00):
Well, whether it's true or not, every single time you
bring up this argument between the two of them. Everybody
says it Element makes that catch, and I don't know
if he does.

Speaker 3 (27:11):
But unless I were watching the Atlanta game, except for
the little fingertip catch, yeah, because I might say, no, man,
he might have dropped it like he didn't know in
that game.

Speaker 4 (27:18):
I'm just saying that's what they won that.

Speaker 3 (27:20):
Game, the playoffs. They won that game.

Speaker 4 (27:22):
That's it.

Speaker 3 (27:24):
Welco was pretty clutching the playoffs. I don't if you
look at his numbers, they're pretty comparable that.

Speaker 4 (27:29):
I don't disagree, but that's always the that's always the argument.

Speaker 3 (27:32):
Just an half the amount of games.

Speaker 8 (27:34):
Probably to the MVP.

Speaker 11 (27:35):
Right.

Speaker 5 (27:36):
See the difference between ten for one oh three team
Welker on those Patriots teams and other great players on
teams that didn't have the playoffs of six Welker's. Welker's
performances got the Patriots into playoffs, won them playoff games,
and yes they didn't win a Super Bowl, but during

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Welker's era, they were still winning on a regular base.
They were still annual contenders for the AFC Championship because.

Speaker 3 (28:04):
Of they were in the AFC Championship because.

Speaker 5 (28:06):
Of the contributions of Welker. I mean he was the
guy that was moving the sticks and.

Speaker 3 (28:10):
The other part of that that I always hate because
whenever you get into these kinds of things, it comes
across as well, he's a Welker guy. That means he
hates Edelman.

Speaker 1 (28:18):
No, nope, no, nope.

Speaker 3 (28:20):
Edelman to me is a no brain. That's why I'm
not overly offended that Edelman got in before Vinitary. No,
I'm not a because that meant, to me, is a
no brainer Patriots Hall of Famer. There's no argument to
be made against him. So I don't want to make
this sound like no. I think Welker is a more
worthy candidate, but it doesn't mean that I don't think
they're both. They shouldn't require any thought at all. Yeah,

(28:41):
in my view, they both automatic Halifa.

Speaker 1 (28:43):
I agree your guy at all.

Speaker 3 (28:46):
I mean your guy unbelievable production.

Speaker 1 (28:48):
He claims that, and maybe he's right. I just don't
remember this.

Speaker 5 (28:51):
He says that after Vinitary left and every time he
came back to here, fans would boo him, who's my guy?

Speaker 3 (28:58):
Felger said that he got he got boot a.

Speaker 1 (29:01):
Lot, did he?

Speaker 11 (29:02):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (29:02):
I don't remember though, that he was he.

Speaker 3 (29:04):
Was the meaning who was looking for money.

Speaker 4 (29:07):
That was another thing that I'm not saying right or
wrong again, but a lot of people that I heard
from about this held it against Vinitary that he didn't
play his whole career as with the Patriots versus Edelman,
who was a Fox mister Foxborough forever, and people.

Speaker 1 (29:23):
Did that he was looking for money.

Speaker 4 (29:25):
And I don't know against him.

Speaker 1 (29:26):
I'd already paid.

Speaker 5 (29:27):
Him once, you know, a lot for a kicker he want.
It was the second time around, and he wasn't gonna
settle for less.

Speaker 1 (29:33):
And like, I don't blame him.

Speaker 4 (29:35):
I don't blame him at all, but I think there's
a I think that is why it doesn't necessarily blame him.
But just if you're going up against Edelman, that.

Speaker 7 (29:44):
Was Welker going to Denver, right and all above dropping
a pass? Yeah, uh, I just I love both those guys,
and I know that they're both overlooked like white slot receivers.
But like looking at Edelman, you can tell Edelman has
some elite physical talent, like its just eyeball tests, Like
you look at him and like that guy is Like

(30:05):
with Welker, I never got that vibe. Like I look
at Welker, and I'm like, who's this kid from the
high school that they just brought up, which to me
makes it just all the more.

Speaker 8 (30:12):
Remarkable how good Wes Welker was because on paper and
just like the eyeball test, he doesn't look good, Amini.
You know, he looks like, who's this tiny kid? He's
gonna get hurt out there, you.

Speaker 3 (30:22):
Know, point you look at you look at Edelman, and
you know, especially as he progressed in his career Boneless Chicken,
you know, he started to look a lot bigger, yeah,
you know, thicker, and Welker never had that appearance. Welker
was just a small kid that looked like you could
have played for.

Speaker 5 (30:40):
Your Remember is a ninety nine yard touchdown in Miami,
like carrying the ball like one of those too big,
too big, and his helmet was always looked like the
Great Kazillion, you know, for the Flintstone.

Speaker 7 (30:53):
I mean, I remember him in seven getting a look
at him right before a punt return and they do
like a close up of his just like guys, you know,
like just so intense waiting for that pint. That's what
I think is I get why everyone loves Edelman. He
came of age now and you know, ages, social media
and all that. But I think it overshadows Wes Welker

(31:14):
and how special he was and how funny was to
watch when he was a patriot.

Speaker 8 (31:17):
That that's what's this.

Speaker 3 (31:18):
But hopefully this all just gets sort of sorted out
and they figure out maybe how to streamline it a
little bit, because they're all these guys are all worthy
of a day.

Speaker 5 (31:28):
Yeah, but I don't think you should start like, oh,
you know, except for Tom Brady, you know, circumventing the process.

Speaker 4 (31:39):
Well, you have to circumvent the process for Bill at
some point.

Speaker 1 (31:42):
I think those are the two exceptions. That's it.

Speaker 4 (31:44):
Yeah, that's it. But I it's a tough process because
it should be special, right that like the one a
year makes it special, that it's it's one guy a
year that gets in. But you know, Dud for Vinetary,
it's not going to be this year, it's probably not
going to be next year, and then in twenty twenty seven.
You never know, you know what might come of twenty

(32:06):
twenty seven later.

Speaker 3 (32:07):
H mccaudy. I mean, if I don't know what they're
going to do for Bill, but if it's Gronk and
mccaordy and Belichick.

Speaker 5 (32:15):
See mccordy and Slater, Yes, they're probably going to be
patriots of all the things. But in those two cases,
I would definitely make the case that Vinitary deserves to
be in.

Speaker 3 (32:25):
But I'm just going to tell you that that's not
going to happen. If they're on the same ballt well, that.

Speaker 5 (32:29):
Would then then it's not a matter of like preference,
like Vinitary deserves to be in before you know those
two I mean, come.

Speaker 3 (32:39):
On, come on, I'm just going to tell you, don't
be don't be surprised if it doesn't happen.

Speaker 4 (32:45):
I'd be pretty surprised if Slater gets in over him,
because they're both special teamers, right they Slater, maybe.

Speaker 3 (32:52):
It's your recentcy, But Terry could go Berenitarry could go
in over Slater. He ain't going in over mccaorty.

Speaker 4 (32:57):
Yeah, probably not, probably not, But like I get you know.
The other argument was not that, like we all know
this is outrageous, but at the end of the day,
in Vinitary was a kicker, right and Edelman was a
wide receiver and played you know, a lot more. Even
though we know how important Vinitary was, So if he
went up against mccordy. I wouldn't be surprised if a
lot of those people felt the same way. You know,

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mccordy was.

Speaker 3 (33:20):
I mean, Bill did call Vanitary the best player in
the team. Yeah, oh yeah when they won a super
Bowl called long. I think he's wrong, and I think
it was a backhanded way of giving himself the credit,
like I just won the Super Bowl with a team
that the kicker is the best player on. But that's
my psychotic nature that I automatically see things that not

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everybody else sees from Bill.

Speaker 7 (33:45):
Bill Simmons coming around your psychotic be a way of
looking at Belichick and Brady and how it all ended.

Speaker 8 (33:51):
And I think some of.

Speaker 7 (33:52):
The recent events from coming out of North Carolina has
made Bill Simmons reevaluate a.

Speaker 3 (33:57):
Little bit like hypocritical. I think I said that last week.

Speaker 5 (34:00):
Yeah uh, Bill and Carlsbad, California. Paul, please let loose
on the fans. Today's your day. Take the gloves off.
Edelman winning this vote over Adam is a dereliction of
duty for the fan base. If I here one more teenager,
if I here one more teenager, tell me that Adam
just made a couple of kicks in the snow.

Speaker 1 (34:17):
I'm gonna lose my mind.

Speaker 5 (34:19):
Teenager who says that, I don't think teenager who's saying
I mean, I.

Speaker 3 (34:25):
Don't read another email.

Speaker 4 (34:27):
Here we go, Oh hey, guess Josh Dobbs, I'm Frank Kersh.

Speaker 1 (34:39):
Come on there, yeah, have a seat. We were just
in the middle of a Patriots Hall of Fame debate.
Anything good. Well, Julian Edelman, uh just got in.

Speaker 5 (34:49):
Everybody agrees that he's most deserving, but there's Adam Vina
Terry was also up and here. The way they do it,
it's a fan vote, So the committee nominates three people
in the fans vote on it.

Speaker 1 (35:01):
And Edelman one, which is great.

Speaker 5 (35:02):
We all love Julian Edelman, but personally, I think Vinitari
should have gone in first. So there's a little bit
of debate out there in Patriot's Nation about it.

Speaker 12 (35:10):
I'm sure we'll get in eventually, right, absolutely, he will
take some legendary kicks.

Speaker 1 (35:15):
Yeah, absolutely So.

Speaker 3 (35:16):
Now, Josh, on the seventeen teams that you've played on,
did you have these kinds of debates?

Speaker 12 (35:21):
I mean, I'm trying to get to thirty two at
this point. Oh no, No, hopefully we'll find a nice ring
in one year, I know, three and one year twice
back to back years.

Speaker 8 (35:30):
I think that's a record.

Speaker 3 (35:31):
Probably not cool. A lot of different experience it was.

Speaker 12 (35:34):
It was definitely unique, definitely, I think what's cool about it, Like,
I know everyone's story is different, but unique. What was
unique about mine is all three of those experiences were
like a growth opportunity, right, Like it was like you're
going from now you're a little crazy of a growth opportunity.
But you know, for instance, the crazy year, you know,
it was you're starting in Cleveland and you're going to
be the two to Deshaun. And now it's like, hey

(35:54):
go start in Arizona. And then it's you know, Kyler's
coming back or Cousins just got injured, Hey go start
in the minutes. So there are all opportunities to grow
and do what I love and be on the field,
which is I did in the day what all of
us competitors love to do.

Speaker 7 (36:06):
How do you I just say, how do you get
ready to quarterback a team when you've been there like
a week I think said it happened like twice to you,
you've gone it. I mean, did you learn from the
first time, and then the second time you're like, oh,
I've been here, I've done this before, I know, I
know what I'm doing.

Speaker 12 (36:18):
I'm so I got traded to Jacksonville in my third season,
middle of the year, well second second week when Nick
Foles went down, and the goal was like come in
on a Tuesday, then be ready to play on a Sunday.
And that year was Gardner Minshew's rookie season of Minshew Mania.

Speaker 1 (36:34):
He went crazy.

Speaker 12 (36:35):
So I didn't have to go in and play, but
through that experience I learned like, hey, like you got
four days to get ready, Like how how do you
learn to playbook, dissect it, understand it, meet your teammates,
find a place to live, and then go out and
be ready to play on a Sunday. And so that experience,
even though I didn't have to step out there and
actually play, allowed me to be able to do it
the next two times and actually do it at a
high level.

Speaker 5 (36:55):
I mean with all the teams you've been on, and
you said you learned from each one of those, do
you find like you get to a new place like
the Patrons and say, hey, Josh, you know what if
you know we do it a certain way. But if
you've seen things in your journeys that you know, maybe
we could be doing better. Do coaches ever come to
you like for that type of you know, suggestions because

(37:16):
you have so much experience.

Speaker 1 (37:17):
Yeah, a little bit, a little bit.

Speaker 12 (37:18):
I know each coach, right, they have their own personality
and flair and ways they like to build a culture.
Obviously Braves has done it at a high level. So
for me is learning and there's also a good chance
to get back with him right and see it from
the beginning. I got a chance to join him during
my time in Tennessee very quickly at the end of
the season, and they already obviously built their culture at
that point, and so now it's really cool to see

(37:41):
the foundation blocks of it. And it's a little bit
right like but in the day, you know, I think
in my I've been going to year nine, a lot
of these coaches have you know, double almost triple that
experience and time in the NFL. So yeah, so it's
still I'm still you know, learning from them then trying

(38:01):
my best to grow, learn, improve each day and conquer
a new offense to be able to go out and
execute to play at high level.

Speaker 3 (38:08):
Yep, can I ask you your preferences is josh oh Joshua.
We're speaking josh is cool, josh I've seen it written Joshua.
I don't know if that's what you preferred.

Speaker 12 (38:18):
No, I always say like I say, I say for
my sake, like josh because people always call me josh
but my mom loves Joshua, so she named me Joshua.

Speaker 1 (38:28):
Was Frederick, you know, it's like nobody calls me.

Speaker 3 (38:36):
I wanted to ask you a little bit about that
connection with Rabel before you got here, and that was
one of the times that Mike is talking about where
you sort of stepped in and not only you had
to play right away, but with the season on the
line that it was that week, like a couple of
years ago.

Speaker 12 (38:49):
Now, it was awesome, honestly, like it was everything that
I wanted, the exact sen s which I wanted to
be put in. You know, at that stage, I was
finishing year six in the NFL and I hadn't had
any significant playing time. I was behind Beenthlisberger for five
years and we know the great quarterback that he was
for the Pittsburgh Steelers, so there wasn't a ton of opportunity.
And then I was in Cleveland and that was the
year they had just paid to Seawan and it was

(39:09):
first year there. And so the end of season came
around and I was in the I was putting in
an awkward situation, but I basically was like, hey, like,
I want to make myself available so that if a
team needs a guy to step in there and play
at the end of the season, like, I want to
show that I'm available. And so Titans gave me a call,
gave me that opportunity, and we stepped in there, man,
and we came one play away from going to the playoffs.
And I and obviously, like looking back on it, you know,

(39:32):
things I could have done to actually win that game.
But I think that experience and the way I handle
it allowed for me to be here and have this
opportunity to hit the ground running.

Speaker 8 (39:39):
Here in New England.

Speaker 12 (39:40):
So you never know what what one opportunity, how it
made me lead to the next. And I think it's
really cool that, you know, my first opportunity to step
on the field came because of coach Frable. You know,
I hadn't know him, knew him like a week, and
he felt like I gave him the best opportunity to
go out there and win a playoff game. So you know,
I think that speaks to my time in Tennessee, Man,

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and you know, not dwelling on the past, but I
think it's a great opportunity to have a lot of
familiar faces, people that know me and have seen what
I can do on on crash course opportunity, and I'll
see like, hey, like let's get in here and learn
understand an offense, the scheme of culture, and see how
you can contribute to the cost.

Speaker 5 (40:18):
I think I think you could be a great addition
because there's a lot of young people on this team,
especially on offense, So just having your maturity there and
your experience, I think that's going to be a real
benefit to all of them.

Speaker 12 (40:28):
No, I'm and I'm excited about the youth. Like I
think there's a lot of young guys on the team,
but like their their energy is infectious, like their love
for football is infectious. Their talent is really good, Like
it pops off the page just when we're throwing routs
on here out here on the practice field. So I'm excited.
I think with this culture, the scheme, this coaching staff,
and the talent that we have, Man, I'm excited to

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see what we're able to do with it.

Speaker 4 (40:51):
Just I know it's been a short time, you know,
I haven't had a ton of time together. But what
are your impressions of Drake May and what's it been
like working with him?

Speaker 1 (40:59):
It's been good.

Speaker 12 (41:00):
Like my first time medium was on the golf course
and he can hit the crap out of golf ball.

Speaker 1 (41:03):
Tell you that it's that right, yeah, straight?

Speaker 12 (41:12):
But no, he's uh, I would say his energy and
is love for ball like really pops off the page
right when you meet him. Know, we were in here
early as QBS and our our day start at seven am,
and you know he's in here early, bright, smiled, happy,
ready to go, asking great questions. Man leading this team,
and it's been really good to be around him. I
know it's just been six short weeks, but we're growing quickly.

(41:33):
Like coach McDaniel is is holding us to a high standard,
putting a lot on our plate and allowing us the
freedom to push the team, push the offense so that
we can get as much information and as possible before
we get the camp. And it's been really good to
be around him, and I think we have a really
healthy quarterback room. I'm excited to see what we can do.

Speaker 1 (41:52):
Are you settling in to the area. I am.

Speaker 12 (41:54):
It's been good. I made it to I made it
to the Selfish game last week. It's all close out
the Orlando.

Speaker 1 (42:01):
Magic there last night.

Speaker 12 (42:02):
I wasn't there last We need some some more good juju.
Pushing for it, trying to make it to a Red
Sox game at some point. That's life, that's the bucket list.
So we're hopping around getting some good food and everything,
mainly in Foxboro during the week but on the weekend,
trying to get at least taste the town a little bit.

Speaker 7 (42:21):
Yeah, it worked at the NASA a little bit when
you were down with Jacksonville. You get into some of
the science museums here up here in the North.

Speaker 12 (42:27):
Will at some point at some point, definitely. I know
there's a plethora of him, so we'll get a chance
to explore a little bit.

Speaker 11 (42:33):
Yeah, in due time.

Speaker 1 (42:34):
So you're into space and are you into science fiction movies?

Speaker 3 (42:37):
Science?

Speaker 8 (42:38):
Yeah, it was just Star Wars day. That's my favorite trilogy.

Speaker 1 (42:40):
Have you been watching and or I've not.

Speaker 12 (42:42):
I've not watched, and I will say I need to
get on it. I started the first couple episodes a
little slow for me.

Speaker 1 (42:49):
But I heard it gets rially. It's for adults. Don't know.

Speaker 5 (42:55):
You're looking for, like, you know, Chebacca, he's not in
it yet. You know, you walks and things like that.
You're not going to see that. It's really it's about
plot and how the whole revolution started.

Speaker 12 (43:07):
I like that.

Speaker 1 (43:08):
It's cool.

Speaker 12 (43:08):
I'm gonna get into it. I usually like to wait
for a show to get to like four or five
seasons so I can just binge watch them all. So yeah,
I'll probably wait one more season then I'll really dive
into it. Yeah, big favorite people here, Yeah, favorite Star
Wars movie, the third one for sure. And I think
a sleeper's Rogue one for sure.

Speaker 1 (43:25):
That's what and Or is. It's the prequel to exactly, Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 8 (43:28):
I think and Or ends right as Rogue one is starting.
So I will get off this now.

Speaker 3 (43:31):
Paul, you guys can do.

Speaker 8 (43:35):
Can I ask you one more football question?

Speaker 4 (43:36):
Though?

Speaker 8 (43:36):
Is I think one thing that that we're.

Speaker 7 (43:38):
Also curious about is is Josh taking a year off
traveling around to some colleges.

Speaker 8 (43:43):
What's he got cooking in the lab?

Speaker 4 (43:45):
You know?

Speaker 7 (43:45):
What's it been like for you with that new playbook
you've been around, You've had a lot of playbooks. How
is this one stack up with with the challenges of
you know, getting to know the system?

Speaker 12 (43:53):
It's cool, like I think, you know anytime, like he's
talking about plays right and you're okay, okay, I see
what we're doing. See we're doing. Then he pulls up
clips of you know, Tom doing it in a Super Bowl.
You're like, all right, I mean I guess this this
offense works pretty well, right, and that that's like what's
cool for Drake and I we're both learning this scheme
is you know, it's been done at a high level,
at the highest level consistently and has shown this results.

(44:16):
And it's really easy for us to buy into it
and what he's teaching and obviously the new additions that
he's added during his time off because of the success
that you see just when you turn on the tape.

Speaker 3 (44:25):
And we're enjoying it.

Speaker 12 (44:27):
It is different lots on the quarterback plate, but I
think with the guys that we have in the room,
it's really going to play into our skill set really
well allow us to play the best football that we can.

Speaker 5 (44:37):
All right, Well, Josh, We'll let you get back to
your whatever you're doing.

Speaker 1 (44:41):
I know you've got meetings and all that stuff. So
welcome to New England. It's the first time we've been
able to say that.

Speaker 5 (44:47):
Appreciate you coming by and don't be a stranger telling
her and you know, anytime you want to come in,
just come on in.

Speaker 1 (44:52):
We never leave here.

Speaker 12 (44:53):
We're here here all the time. He can get a
window outside. Appreciate you all.

Speaker 1 (45:00):
I think you appreciate it.

Speaker 5 (45:01):
Thank you, Josh, Josh Dobbs stopping in.

Speaker 1 (45:04):
That was fun.

Speaker 3 (45:05):
You guys got a little Star Wars Wars back.

Speaker 4 (45:10):
I was getting good answers. You know. Rogue one, I
assumes talking about Return of the Jedi when he says three,
you know.

Speaker 3 (45:17):
I don't know, Evan.

Speaker 8 (45:18):
I think it might have been. I think probably of
the Sith.

Speaker 3 (45:20):
I would guess, oh yeah, I thought I don't like
those are I was with Evan. But I'll take it
back one, two and three.

Speaker 1 (45:27):
Of the original.

Speaker 5 (45:28):
So for some people, three is the turning of the
turning into Darth Va Revenge of the I.

Speaker 4 (45:35):
Think in terms of so technically Jedi would be six
correchnically technically, but not technically.

Speaker 3 (45:40):
I would look at it as the third one ever.

Speaker 4 (45:43):
Was any sane.

Speaker 3 (45:44):
Person chronological or yeah, that's when I would be I
would can after that.

Speaker 4 (45:49):
Any sane person would say that that's three. But you
know some people, probably my my age demographic.

Speaker 7 (45:56):
Well yeah, that's like Maddie says, I mean that's you know,
the young kids love the episode three, and it's like
my generation.

Speaker 4 (46:03):
It's it's kind of getting the prequels are definitely I
feel like making a comeback a little bit like now
twenty years right now three like Phantom Menace everybody thinks
is good. Now I still am on the fenceive out.
See this is my point.

Speaker 5 (46:20):
Yeah, all right, well listen, Josh Dobbs is a Patriot,
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Speaker 7 (46:55):
I think you said work in insecurity. It's work in security.
But you know there's not an in security department. People
are insecurity.

Speaker 1 (47:02):
That's us. Yeah, that's us here.

Speaker 5 (47:06):
So nobody knows what you're talking about.

Speaker 8 (47:09):
Rady Juke on her lacker. You all know it, y'all know.

Speaker 4 (47:12):
So I saw, you know, scrolling through Facebook reels or whatever,
somebody made like a video of his like top five
runs of all time. I mean, it's not He's not
Michael Vick. It's not exactly this has got to be.
It wasn't on the list that's got to be. And
all the comments were just like, no, where's their lack?

Speaker 3 (47:32):
I was afraid to touch them. Yeah, so there's something
about this might touch him. Not that it was as
great Juke, No, but that was part of it.

Speaker 1 (47:41):
I don't think he expected it. Correct.

Speaker 3 (47:43):
There's something about this game that's very specific and unique.

Speaker 5 (47:48):
We're talking about the Bears, the Bears, the six week
twelve O six.

Speaker 3 (47:52):
The Bears came in the Sunday night. No, I'm just
saying that there was there was an element to Jollette
Stadium that was for the first time in that game.

Speaker 7 (48:00):
Oh, the gross correct the new first Jets game, they
ripped it up.

Speaker 1 (48:06):
Huh.

Speaker 3 (48:07):
I think I'm nine percent. I think you're right though,
And I think there was a bye week after the
Jets game where Richard Seymour couldn't rush the pass and
the beach, and then they in two weeks they put
the field turf in. I believe that was the first game.

Speaker 8 (48:24):
That's crazy.

Speaker 4 (48:24):
I just remember like Corey Dyllon just the muddy, like
you just have mud all over his jersey.

Speaker 5 (48:30):
It was great, but that feel was a mess it.
You know, like everyone now wants grass back, but people
were really complaining how bad.

Speaker 1 (48:38):
That feel was at the time.

Speaker 7 (48:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (48:40):
Yeah, with the amount of events they have here, I
don't know how they're going.

Speaker 3 (48:43):
To Baltimore one.

Speaker 1 (48:43):
Yeah, they would do that.

Speaker 8 (48:45):
So do they have to do anything for the World
Cup that's coming.

Speaker 1 (48:47):
Oh yeah, they're going to have to put in grass.

Speaker 8 (48:49):
Just like that.

Speaker 4 (48:50):
Soccer players don't play on turf.

Speaker 8 (48:53):
Helped me with my lawn maybe so.

Speaker 5 (48:55):
Josh Dobbs is here, just another seemingly nice guy they
brought in.

Speaker 7 (49:00):
What a story, and it just shows you that everybody
has random collection of traveling to different teams.

Speaker 3 (49:07):
I mean twice traded It's funny. I didn't realize that
that game that Rabel started him on a week's notice
was really the first extensive playing time he ever got.
I didn't realize. Yeah, that makes it all the more
remarkable that Rabel made that decision. Yeah, yeah, you know, I.

Speaker 7 (49:23):
Was a little hesitant to ask him, like as I
didn't want to frame it, like, how does it feel
to have some stability now? Because it's the NFL, nobody
has stability really, but.

Speaker 1 (49:31):
One year it's only been here.

Speaker 7 (49:33):
I think, I think it's a two year But I mean,
you know, at this point, what does that that actually mean?
But at least it seems like right now he's here,
he's the clear cut backup. I mean, some of those
other situations, it seemed like there was some uncertainty that
resulted ultimately in somebody getting traded out of his rooms.

Speaker 1 (49:48):
Right, all right? So yeah, hopefully comes by again, hope.
Nice guy.

Speaker 5 (49:56):
Going back to our discussion Adam Vinteri and uh Julian Edelman,
Jason writes in I'm a big fan of Adam and Julian,
but I think Julian deserved to get in first simply
because he never left the Patriots. I appreciate what Adam
did for the team, but going to our rival and
spending more time there than in New England sealed it
from me. Adam should definitely get in, But in my loyalty,

(50:19):
it's with Julian and nice shirt dudes.

Speaker 8 (50:22):
Oh thank you.

Speaker 4 (50:24):
That's I hear that sentiment a lot.

Speaker 3 (50:26):
I just hate it, I do. I hear that a lot.
I just hate that sentiment. Because one guy had an
opportunity to leave and get a free agent contract and
the other guy didn't, doesn't shouldn't mean that Well, that's
why I'm going to stick.

Speaker 1 (50:37):
I mean, I all thinks the same way a lot
of people.

Speaker 5 (50:40):
Adam was great for the start of the Dynasty, but
wise he up at the same time as Jules because
he played a lot more for another team. Jewles was
instrumental in winning playoff games in Super Bowls. Vinitaria made
some clutch kicks that Brady got him in position for.

Speaker 4 (50:53):
It may think they're both worthy so lightly. I mean,
the snowball kick is the greatest kick of all time,
and it made a couple of clutch kicks. Is not
really doing that justice like.

Speaker 3 (51:05):
That kick that that kick being the result of Brady
putting him in position is one of the more like
ridiculous stretches that you'll ever hear, Like he made a
forty five yard field goal in like five inches of snow,
right while it was still not given the quarterback credit
for putting him in position to make the kick. Please.

Speaker 7 (51:27):
It's and also, I just can't it's hard to fault
Adam than a Terry for wanting to like basically double
his career by going to kick inside.

Speaker 4 (51:36):
It's a really good point. Like I don't remember who
brought that up, but I maybe he brought it up
somewhere something and he mentioned it. Yeah, you know, it
really did probably prolong his career.

Speaker 3 (51:46):
He didn't want to leave, but when he got the opportunity,
he started to think along.

Speaker 5 (51:50):
Yeah, yeah, all right, eight five to five, Pats five
hundred is the hotline. Let's go to the phones. Patty
in Agawam. He'll start it off.

Speaker 1 (52:01):
What's up, Patty took everyone?

Speaker 13 (52:04):
How are we doing today?

Speaker 1 (52:05):
Okay? Yes, with you.

Speaker 13 (52:09):
I just wanted to say Lake, this might piss off
some of the younger audience, but I really don't care.
I got no problem with Julian being in. But I
think the voters got it wrong. I think they got
it wrong with the Hall of Fame vote, and I
think they got it wrong with this one. And Paul,
you brought up how Julia's career started. Do you remember
how Adams started here too? Like the first four games.

(52:32):
I did a little research. He started out perfect against Miami,
he made both his kicks extra point field goal.

Speaker 3 (52:39):
Yeah, And he missed three field goals in Buffalo in
week two and his job was on the line.

Speaker 1 (52:43):
He missed a bunch in Kansas City to the next week.

Speaker 13 (52:45):
I guess Arizona, he missed an extra point two And
I remember I went to the game. I was at
the game when they played Deck and tell them the
Mark Mark Brunel Hail Marry game.

Speaker 3 (52:55):
He made five out of six in that game.

Speaker 13 (52:58):
Yeah, And there was a lot of talk that l
you know, Parcels wasn't too happy with him.

Speaker 7 (53:02):
Ye.

Speaker 13 (53:02):
So to me, like it's almost a miracle that he
that he sucked.

Speaker 10 (53:07):
With the team.

Speaker 13 (53:08):
And then if you go with the butterfly effect, like
if he doesn't make that field goal against the Raiders,
they lose the game. And who knows that the dynasty
even happens, because you know, you just you don't know,
like maybe they go into the off season there's a
QB controversy and Belichick has the same sort of situation
that they that he had in Cleveland.

Speaker 10 (53:27):
And I know that.

Speaker 3 (53:28):
I mean, it's it's not a stretch, but I will
say that, you know that he's right. Patty's right about
the Vinitary. The start of Vinitary's career, he made five
out of six against Jacksonville and the last one was
an overtime game winner and had he missed it. Now,
Vinitary beat out Matt Barr in that training camp. Matt
Barr was a Parcels guy, right, so he was on

(53:50):
thin ice.

Speaker 14 (53:51):
You know.

Speaker 3 (53:51):
Parcells was like, I just want the guy that I'm
real I can rely on. I know he might not
be able to make the fifty yarders like Adam could
at that time, but he he's going to be the
reliable guy. You know that had he missed another important
kick or two, that was it. So that's not a
stretch to say that no Venitary, no win in the
Snow Bowl. Now, I kind of think that Bill and

(54:14):
Tom would have figured out how to win, because I
think they were that good. But it's not a stretch
to suggest had they lost that game and not won
that Super Bowl, maybe the two that ensued in three
and oh four might not have happened. It's true, it's
not impossible to say. I personally think it would have
because I think that Tom was just that good, and
I think Bill would have stuck with Tom either way,

(54:35):
win or lose that game. I think Bill would have
stuck with Tom because I think he was already pretty
convicted at that point. But it's not the most I
don't think. Do you guys think that's so ridiculous like that?

Speaker 1 (54:47):
But I just don't know what will happen.

Speaker 4 (54:50):
To kickstarted the whole thing. Yea, and no pun intended.

Speaker 1 (54:54):
Nathan is in Connecticut? What's up, Nathan? Nathan? Nathan? Is
Nathan gone? Goodbye? Nathan?

Speaker 8 (55:04):
Goodbye?

Speaker 1 (55:06):
A lot of emails though, a lot of emails.

Speaker 3 (55:08):
Didou you read some of him now?

Speaker 1 (55:09):
Or I will?

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I want to read them now? Are you gonna eat?
We can share your food is here?

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Speaker 11 (57:05):
I'm good. Can't complain what we got first transition?

Speaker 14 (57:12):
Yeah, yeah, excepting liking the olding kind of kind of things.

Speaker 11 (57:17):
So it's a bitter pressed by.

Speaker 17 (57:19):
Yeah, No, it's been good. Verbs is amazing. He's an
amazing man to be around. He's just been such a
light to this building. He's been such an amazing coach.
He's even out there, you know, like running special teams
drills with us, you know, giving me insight on linebacker.

Speaker 11 (57:34):
He's just been an amazing coach.

Speaker 3 (57:36):
What'll just be to you to have the team and
Ashley to contract out from burning back.

Speaker 10 (57:40):
You know.

Speaker 17 (57:42):
At the time, me and my wife, you know, we're
trying to plan a future. We we have no idea.
What's about to happen. But when we got when I
got the call from Elliott, it was nothing but excitement,
nothing but joy, you know, a little uncertainty knowing where
we're gonna live and whatnot. We're getting all that figured
out right now. So it's been good. It's been a blessing.
But it's just been it's been amazing, you know, to

(58:02):
be desired by the organization, desired by the team, and
to see what they have in store, not only as
a team but as a defense.

Speaker 11 (58:10):
It's been. It's been really good. You've been hoping he would.

Speaker 16 (58:14):
Say, here playing.

Speaker 17 (58:17):
Opportunity, you know, above all else, I try to lead
wherever God takes me. I'm good wherever I think God
will use me. Anywhere, any organization I'm in, I'm gonna
put my best foot forward. And I think, you know,
God has something special for me here.

Speaker 11 (58:34):
You know.

Speaker 17 (58:35):
Whether I know that, whether whether it is or not,
it doesn't matter to me. So whether it's here in Vegas,
and you know, I'm very happy to be here, but
it's all in God's hands.

Speaker 11 (58:45):
What's it been like reuniting with no William? And how
did you feel when you found out? You guys, friend,
when I saw it. I was really excited.

Speaker 17 (58:51):
I was excited for him, especially because I was able
to play with him for a few years. So I
was nothing but excited for him because he's such a
tremendous talent. You know, you don't see many guys like him,
So I have nothing but the highest price for him.
You know, we already chopped it up in the locker room,
you know, the last few weeks, and it's good to
have here.

Speaker 11 (59:08):
Coming up with a career year.

Speaker 3 (59:09):
How much did last season became confidence and how much
does it help, you know, coming into.

Speaker 4 (59:13):
This off seasons office success?

Speaker 17 (59:16):
Yeah, no, it definitely set the tone for me mentally,
you know, going through my first few years in the league.

Speaker 11 (59:22):
You know, it's been a rough transition.

Speaker 17 (59:24):
So like when I got the when I got the
offer sheet from the Raiders, you know, I'm sitting down
with my wife. You know, it's a little personal, but
I'm sitting there and you know, I'm tearing up. I'm like,
is this really happening? You know, I've been cut six
seven times. You know, I've been bouncing around the league
and like is this Like did God really allow us
to happen to me?

Speaker 11 (59:44):
You know? And I think when you do do well
with a little, you'll do well with a lot.

Speaker 17 (59:49):
You know, I don't know what the future holds, but
as long as I keep what I'm doing, I think
God has me and wherever I'm going to be. So
it was it's nothing but a blessing for me and
my family with a new.

Speaker 5 (01:00:00):
Coach, almost an entirely new assistant coaching staff to the
exceptions though, Jeremy.

Speaker 1 (01:00:08):
Tom, what was it like to work with them last year?
How do you feel about them for the Tarnae and.

Speaker 8 (01:00:13):
Their roles with special teams?

Speaker 11 (01:00:15):
Yeah?

Speaker 17 (01:00:15):
No, they're both amazing. They're both knowledgeable, they're both exciting,
they're both energizer bunnies. They're both good guys that have
in the building. So I was very happy to hear
that Braves and the organization decided to keep them, and
I think they're a good addition. Jerry Spreader actually said
that he was expecting to see more of you on
defense and not too much on special teams this season.

Speaker 1 (01:00:36):
You've been going to special team.

Speaker 3 (01:00:37):
I'm curious do you see it that way?

Speaker 17 (01:00:39):
You're trying to have a bigger role on defense, and
what does it mean to hear you know your special teams.

Speaker 11 (01:00:43):
Coach say you wants to scheme one inside of the Yeah, no.
For for me, I'll do anything the organization asked to me.
I'm not.

Speaker 17 (01:00:51):
I'm not gonna be selfish in any way, shape or form.
Whatever role they have for me, I'm gonna do it
to the best of my ability. I still plan on
playing special teams. I want to play special teams. It's
still something that I think I'm good at, and it's
something I think I can bring to the team. And
even with an expanded defensive role, whatever that looks like,

(01:01:13):
I'm good. I'm good playing both ways.

Speaker 9 (01:01:15):
Just to go back to something that you said, was
it seven times?

Speaker 11 (01:01:19):
There? We got that? H Well, it wasn't.

Speaker 17 (01:01:22):
It wasn't just Philly. It started in Minnesota. I bounced around.
I went to Philly, and then I went to San France,
and then back to Philly and then cut again and
then released.

Speaker 11 (01:01:33):
So six times, six times, I think, yeah times.

Speaker 1 (01:01:36):
And see the numbers on that opera.

Speaker 16 (01:01:38):
See how life change.

Speaker 10 (01:01:41):
Isn't it.

Speaker 9 (01:01:43):
We haven't done anything so like LifeWise the numbers.

Speaker 11 (01:01:49):
Yeah No.

Speaker 17 (01:01:51):
So for my wife and I, you know above all
that we want to honor the Lord, our God with
our finances that is doubled it. God says it's hard
for a rich to enter the Kingdom of Heaven. It's
like it can we going through the eye of a needle.
So with that being said, I I take that very seriously.

(01:02:11):
So above all else, we're going to use it to
honor God. We've used it to give it a little
bit more of a stable environment for my family. You know,
we're looking at getting a house. We're looking at just
getting you know, this the my family side, So we
aren't journeyman. You know, we aren't just bouncing around everywhere.
You know, I want to see my kids grow up
in a house. You know, I want them to have

(01:02:33):
memories of a single house and not be bouncing around.
So when we got that contract, you know, all these
thoughts are going through my mind.

Speaker 11 (01:02:40):
And it was special. Its special to me, especially my wife,
special to my family.

Speaker 3 (01:02:45):
Did your wife tell you that God wanting deterred by
her something?

Speaker 10 (01:02:52):
Uh?

Speaker 11 (01:02:53):
You know, I think I think it's within a man's
right to uh spoil his wife. So I was very
happy to do. So. Yeah, there are guys who with Yeah,
they would say, I'm going to show them, you know
that like your faith for the kind of ship that. Yeah.

Speaker 17 (01:03:17):
No, I think guys will handle it two ways. Like
you said, they will either handle it as being you know,
pissed off all the time, and they're coming the building
pissed off.

Speaker 11 (01:03:25):
For me, I want to be a light. I want
to be a joyed of my teammates.

Speaker 17 (01:03:29):
So whether I was in the starting role or not,
whether I was getting cut or not, whether I was
on practice squad or not, it didn't matter to me.
I wanted to be a light to them. And even
if I was going through something hard, I know that
they're going through stuff too. So yeah, I just want
to be a light to not only this organization, to
you guys, to my teammates, to everybody. So with this opportunity,

(01:03:50):
I'm not going to squander.

Speaker 3 (01:03:54):
And now great moments in history.

Speaker 5 (01:03:59):
So when you're in your mind, you don't get the
title of weapon unless you're a real playmaker.

Speaker 1 (01:04:05):
A real difference.

Speaker 3 (01:04:06):
But that's what we're talking about, right, That's the guys
that they were looking at. I look I look at
you know, like they're like they're interested in Brandon ayuk, No,
he's a guy that can can impact the game.

Speaker 1 (01:04:15):
I look at it like, Okay, what is what is
this quarterback's weapons?

Speaker 5 (01:04:19):
All right, he's got Hunter Henry at tight end, he's
got Poke, he's got you know, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:04:25):
That's different just rattling off all the skill bread and plays.
But there's a different streen.

Speaker 1 (01:04:30):
What like, who are the dependable people that this quarterback?

Speaker 3 (01:04:34):
Mario Douglas is a weapon?

Speaker 1 (01:04:35):
He should be.

Speaker 3 (01:04:36):
He's one of Jacoby Brissette's weapons. But is he a weapon?

Speaker 1 (01:04:40):
But I like it?

Speaker 3 (01:04:42):
Like I'm going on, I know, I like him.

Speaker 1 (01:04:46):
Don't you think he should be a weapon.

Speaker 8 (01:04:48):
He's among his weapons.

Speaker 3 (01:04:49):
But he's not that kind of player.

Speaker 1 (01:04:51):
Oh I do I think he's dynamic.

Speaker 3 (01:04:53):
I don't think he is. I don't think he's ever
seen I don't think he's ever shown any dynamic ability
the Mario.

Speaker 5 (01:05:00):
Yeah you're talking about pop Now that's another great moment.
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missed it, Josh stops stop by. You can catch it
in the rebound on demand as they say, Okay, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:05:22):
So nice guy.

Speaker 5 (01:05:24):
I think Vrabel only brings the nice guys. Because he
wants to be the only a hole.

Speaker 3 (01:05:29):
Fair point could be.

Speaker 8 (01:05:30):
Yeah, guys that let it roll off their back, Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:05:33):
Anthony writes in Paul said Julian Edelman didn't have a
chance to get a contract in free agency, but that
is incorrect. I had the pleasure of meeting Edelman at
a bar one night in New York City and a
buddy I was with mentioned he's a Giants fan.

Speaker 3 (01:05:46):
Giants.

Speaker 5 (01:05:47):
Edelman said that during free agency the Airy re signed
with us, that he was very close to signing with
the Giants, but he ultimately came.

Speaker 3 (01:05:53):
Back because they didn't offer him any money. He left
that part out, like any money or they didn't offer
him anything significant. Vinitary was the highest played kicker. Yeah,
because one tea. I'm not going to get into this
because it's going to sound disrespectful, but Pooka, the Patriots
were certainly fine if Edelman left in freury agency. He

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wasn't Edelman yet. There wasn't a lot of attention. He
didn't get a lot of attention on the free agent market.
They weren't knocking down his door to sign him. That's
my only point. So he became Edelman when he resigned
and then Walker left and he took over the job
full time, and to his credit, he thrived. But he
did not get any money offered to him from the Giants,

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not enough significant, not enough to leave. Whereas Vinitary became again,
he signed a long term deal to be the highest
paid kicker in the game. Right now, I know that
that's not necessarily big dollars, but for a kicker.

Speaker 11 (01:06:48):
That's what it is.

Speaker 5 (01:06:50):
After Fred expressed his support of Adam, Vinitarry, Paul's report
was I'm not like you. I don't try to tell
people what to think.

Speaker 3 (01:06:57):
Correct.

Speaker 5 (01:06:58):
Then when an emailer writes in that he settlement deserves
to be in the Hall of Fame before Adam because
of Julian's loyal to the Patriots, he adamantly states that
he hates that opinion.

Speaker 3 (01:07:07):
I hated Paul. I don't tell you what to do.
I thought you hated that opinion. Okay, you don't think
that's the difference. You're mad at everybody.

Speaker 1 (01:07:16):
I'm not mad. I'm just surprised. I said, I was surprised.

Speaker 3 (01:07:18):
You said you were mad at the beginning.

Speaker 1 (01:07:20):
I said, I was surprised.

Speaker 3 (01:07:21):
I think the quote was I'm upset that they didn't
think like me.

Speaker 11 (01:07:27):
I think.

Speaker 5 (01:07:29):
I'm surprised that they you know, I'm not upset. Like
you said, people are going to think what they want
to think. But I know I think that exactly I'm
being I just think that that's the way I went
at it. I'm surprised other people didn't agree with me.

Speaker 3 (01:07:42):
And yeah, there's a lot of different things that I
sort of have strong opinions on. Obviously, I'm not sort
of a shrinking violet when it comes to expressing those
opinions on this show. And I get frustrated when people
see things differently. But I don't get mad that people
don't agree with me, because I think that's what debate's
all about. I think you don't get mad if people

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don't because people don't agree with me. Yeah, no, oh, okay,
I stand up for what I believe.

Speaker 1 (01:08:10):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:08:11):
I think that's an example of it. I would have
had Vinetariy in first. I don't think there's anything wrong
with the Edelman being in first.

Speaker 4 (01:08:17):
I do.

Speaker 3 (01:08:18):
That's where I sort of separate it.

Speaker 11 (01:08:19):
I do, I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:08:20):
I think Edelman is such a no brainer Patriots Hall
of Famer that doesn't really bother me that he went
in first.

Speaker 5 (01:08:26):
Yeah, it doesn't bother me that he's in. I just
it bothers me that Vinitary.

Speaker 11 (01:08:31):
Is not in.

Speaker 1 (01:08:32):
Can I say it that way? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:08:33):
I think so.

Speaker 4 (01:08:34):
Yeah, I worry, that's my point. Yeah, I worry that
it's going to take years to get Vinetary in. It's
not so much that I care that Edelman is in
over him this year, but like we laid out earlier,
it's Gronk next year, and then you know, when Bill's
time comes is going to probably be a Brady type situation.
And so like it's just we've seen this with other guys. Yeah,

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you know, Logan Macon's is on the ballot every year
and it's been at all and.

Speaker 5 (01:08:59):
That's true, has been in the battle a long time.
Vrabel was on the ballot alone five times. But I
would say to me, Vinetteri is even more of a
slam dunk than those guys.

Speaker 4 (01:09:09):
Yeah, but he could be on the ballot for four
or five years, and I feel like that's that's too bad.
It's frustrating.

Speaker 7 (01:09:14):
Is there anyone else, though, who won a super Bowl
in those first three that you think should feel that
isn't isn't yet?

Speaker 8 (01:09:20):
Because Mankins and will.

Speaker 1 (01:09:22):
Ford I can't think of anyone, honestly.

Speaker 7 (01:09:24):
I will for Mankins kind of in the middle. They
connected the two somewhat. And now we're getting into mccordy.

Speaker 1 (01:09:28):
And can I can't think of anyone that. Why isn't
he in yet?

Speaker 11 (01:09:32):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:09:33):
I mean I can't think of any no brainers that
should be in from that because the guys that were
part of that, you know, like a guy like Dylan. Yeah,
I'm not sure he did it long enough, right, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:09:46):
Randy Moss, Corey Dillon's the one that comes to mind
for me. But I'm with Paul. It was only two years, right,
so it wasn't so I.

Speaker 1 (01:09:53):
Don't put him in.

Speaker 8 (01:09:53):
Yeah, you know, Lawyer Malloy's not.

Speaker 1 (01:09:56):
In, right, is No?

Speaker 3 (01:09:57):
Lawyer's not in and he gets nominated pretty much.

Speaker 1 (01:10:00):
Every year he gets discussed.

Speaker 3 (01:10:02):
Yeah, well that's why. That's how you get nominated.

Speaker 1 (01:10:05):
Yeah, right, you're right.

Speaker 7 (01:10:07):
But anyone else, I mean, there's no Tyrone Pools, there's
no there's nobody else, Like who else would there be?

Speaker 8 (01:10:12):
I you know what I mean, what I'm saying, that's
what I mean. There's nobody else.

Speaker 3 (01:10:14):
I mean, the Jets can't get Drel We're talking about
Tyrone anything to do with Super bowls.

Speaker 4 (01:10:22):
Otis Smith, O Smith, Tyrone, Poole.

Speaker 3 (01:10:27):
Lawyer Malloy is probably I mean, I have to give
it some thought and look at the rashes, but that's
you know, maybe Larry is. Oh but like like, lawyer
moy is probably the last guy from that iteration that
would warrant consideration. I'm not sure he rises to the level.
I think he's worthy of discussion, which you know with
Fred and I, you know, we're part of the committee.

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And he gets nominated. I think the last two or
three years he's been nominated. He hasn't yet to make
the final ballot. But Rodney's in, right, Rodney is in.
And that's the argument that is made on behalf of
Lawyer malloy is Malloy's numbers are better than Rodney's a
Patriot and Super Bowl.

Speaker 4 (01:11:07):
Yeah, so Rodney was a better player.

Speaker 3 (01:11:11):
Oh yeah, that's tough. That's tough.

Speaker 4 (01:11:15):
I mean, a better football player than Layd.

Speaker 3 (01:11:18):
I think Rodney had Rodney had a better career than Lawyer,
I would say I would agree with that. I think
Patriot's career it's really really close.

Speaker 4 (01:11:26):
Yeah, I'm just talking about purely if you were ranking
him as football players, I.

Speaker 3 (01:11:31):
Would put Rodney ahead of Lawyer. That's what I'm saying.
As the body of the career, I would put Rodney ahead.

Speaker 5 (01:11:36):
Matt and Saskatchewan Biased writes in just wondering if the
loyal Pew listeners can get insider info on when the
release date for The Forged and Foxborough will be Part one.

Speaker 1 (01:11:48):
Sneak peek looks amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:11:50):
So that you have any information.

Speaker 5 (01:11:52):
I do have information, but I'm not at privy. I
can't tell you yet. It'll it'll be out soon, you know.
Let's put it this way. It'll be out before training camp,
way before training camp.

Speaker 8 (01:12:04):
Maybe some special appearances by some people we know in
it too.

Speaker 3 (01:12:07):
I'm not so sure. We didn't make the trailer, so
you might not make the cut.

Speaker 5 (01:12:11):
Didn't make the cut, but that trailer, if you haven't
seen it already, go to Patriots X what's it on
Instagram to probably probably yeah, just go to the Patriots
account and check out it's you know, it's typical. It
will be your documentary trailer, but really really good work
by Nick McCain and Bradley Amos on our squad who

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put that together. So we're really excited and what's going
to be released will be, you know, a full hour
documentary following with another documentary coming out after that. So
we've been hard at work. So some really really good
inside access that we've received. I think it'll get people

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really pumped up for the season.

Speaker 4 (01:12:57):
But no credit to Bradley because he's an Necks fan.

Speaker 1 (01:13:01):
Fair Yeah, so forged in Foxborough. Everybody liked that name.
We were kicking around, you know what to call it?
I like Fortune and Foxborough.

Speaker 3 (01:13:10):
Evan's right about like Bradley, he's a big he's a
big Knicks fan, right, and no credit. Like the worst
part of it is like he's not like be convicted
like your team won last night, right, put your chest out,
talk smack, have some confidence. He's like they're gonna get
killed like tomorrow night. Like I that mentality, I don't

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I don't agree with you. Okay, I don't want to
say that. I hate that because you get mad when
I use those terms. Yeah, like you're a fan of
the team.

Speaker 4 (01:13:39):
Oh no, but it's the Knicks.

Speaker 3 (01:13:41):
But it's like we're gonna lose.

Speaker 4 (01:13:46):
His whole life.

Speaker 3 (01:13:47):
It's like you know, growing up in New England, US, right,
and you always expected the Red Sox to like epically collapse.
That's that's Bradley till I moved to California. Stand up
for yourself, bro. They should have been talking smack to
Evan today. I think Celtic's gonna win the next four games.

Speaker 4 (01:14:02):
But they're gonna hang a banner in MSG one Game one,
Round two against the Celtics.

Speaker 1 (01:14:08):
See, that's that's the old Patriots fan mentality.

Speaker 5 (01:14:11):
Yeah, when some team that beat the Patriots in the
regular season they got their Super Bowl.

Speaker 4 (01:14:15):
Throw the parade you won Game one.

Speaker 11 (01:14:19):
I like that.

Speaker 5 (01:14:19):
That's a good mentality. Fans should have that mentality mentality
f everybody.

Speaker 1 (01:14:24):
That's what That's what being a fan is about. Paul
doesn't like that. No, I'm making fans should be gentle people.

Speaker 3 (01:14:30):
I'm making fun of Bradley for not being confident, not
talking smack. You should be feeling.

Speaker 1 (01:14:36):
You got mad at the Patriots, the arrogant Patriots fan.

Speaker 3 (01:14:40):
Oh, well, that's different because every other team sucked well,
which I never really understood. You're telling me that your
team is really good. The Celtics fans are the same thing. Now,
every team in the league sucks, So what are you
telling me that you won, but it is you're the
king of the dip poops.

Speaker 5 (01:14:54):
I know I agree with you. There By downplaying your opponent,
you're not helping yourself.

Speaker 3 (01:15:00):
The Celtics are the best team in basketball, right, They're
the most talented team in basketball. The difference between most
fans in the Green teamers, which I think is a
small section of Celtics fans, right, Evan's part of that.
You're a green teamer. Every other team stinks. Every other
team stinks.

Speaker 5 (01:15:19):
Well, do you find it interesting that the top three
teams in the playoffs all lost their first game?

Speaker 1 (01:15:24):
It is interesting, Okay, See.

Speaker 3 (01:15:26):
Obviously the three home teams have lost so far. Yeah,
the fourth one is tonight.

Speaker 4 (01:15:31):
Yeah, but it's not it's a six to seven series,
a weird series. But yeah, it's that made me feel better.
I'm not gonna lie. Yeah, I woke up this morning
and I didn't say that for the whole.

Speaker 3 (01:15:40):
Unbelievable choke.

Speaker 11 (01:15:43):
To me.

Speaker 5 (01:15:43):
What it says is that there is such a separation
between those teams and the and their opponent, and they
know it.

Speaker 1 (01:15:49):
That they came in just like we're just going to
cruise through this.

Speaker 4 (01:15:53):
Yeah. Well, yeah, I mean I woke up this morning
and I saw the the okase he choked it away too,
and it kind of made me feel a little bit better. Like, Okay,
it does have to throw up fourteen in the Yeah,
I mean, I think the thunder have been the best
team in the league all year and so see them
choke an elite at home in the playoffs.

Speaker 3 (01:16:09):
That separates him from Celtics fans. Like the true died
in the world Green teamers would never say that another
team has been the best team in the life. I'd
never ever say that. Vintage Patriots fans would never say
that either, right when they when they played the Kansas
City sucked. They went into Kansas City and beat them
in the epic AFC Championship game, but they sucked according
to Patriots fans. When I think it's one of the

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greatest wins in all of this runs history.

Speaker 4 (01:16:33):
Now, when I saw him, okay, see another one who
sucked Celtics play Okay, see earlier this year in Boston.
That was the first time and since they played the
Warriors in twenty twenty two in the finals where I
was like, this team might be better than the Celtics,
Like I legitimately was worried. I was like, oh no,
like someone might be better than competition.

Speaker 5 (01:16:51):
Yeah, this is not good, Brian writes in he asked,
did Josh McDaniels bang the table for Trevion Henderson give
any spence time at Ohio State last year? And ps
always puts a smile on my face, and Paul takes
it away.

Speaker 3 (01:17:07):
Always puts a smile on my face too.

Speaker 11 (01:17:09):
I try.

Speaker 8 (01:17:10):
I don't know about that. I mean, I mean went
to Ohio State too.

Speaker 1 (01:17:13):
And he did talk to but he was there visiting.

Speaker 3 (01:17:17):
Yeah, I talked to the running backs coach and he
did mention that that was the first time you know
that he had met Josh McDaniels. Was that trip that
Mike and I sort of we broke that Mike we
broke that everyone believes, and so it might have had
might have had something to do with it. We know
that they were looking for that type of back, a
guy with versatility to catch passes and have some speed.

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They wanted some juice in the backfield, so that profile
of a back was on their radar. And I wouldn't
be surprised if if that sort of was the start
of their interest in Trevyon Henderson.

Speaker 7 (01:17:52):
Sure absolutely to announce the rookie numbers. So Travon Henderson
will be wearing thirty two.

Speaker 8 (01:17:57):
Excited about that, Yeah, thirty.

Speaker 7 (01:17:59):
Running back number again and even d Mac interact a
little interaction with so yeah, so, I said Ashton Grant.

Speaker 4 (01:18:06):
But it's Riley Larkin was at Ohio State last year
and he's now on the Patriots as an assistant coach,
just an offensive assistant, not a position coach yet. But
he was just at Ohio State a year ago for
their championship run. But one thing that my attendant is up.
Little thing that we heard from Josh Dobbs, you heard
it from Drake may last week, is you know, McDaniel's

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putting everything back on the quarterback.

Speaker 1 (01:18:32):
Shoing how Tom did it?

Speaker 4 (01:18:36):
Am I allowed to be like small sea concerned about that,
Like I don't want to make a big deal about it.

Speaker 3 (01:18:40):
It's may Go. He's a young.

Speaker 4 (01:18:45):
Quarterback still, like it's still only his second year in
the league. And if you're gonna expect him to get
up there and be the maestro at the you know,
keyboard and be able to call out mics and move
protections and sniff out blitzes, and I just hope that
they don't put too much on his plate in that regard.
Like I know with Mac he kind of handheld it
his way through it. For most of Max's rookie years,

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it wasn't you know, completely, you know, in the headset
was still on. He would help him and stuff like that.
But I just that was just one thing.

Speaker 1 (01:19:13):
I heard that too.

Speaker 4 (01:19:15):
Yeah, a lot on the quarterback.

Speaker 3 (01:19:17):
Because last I think it was last Thursday, right that
Drake spoke to the media and you know, you guys
came in. I think you and Alex had gone to
that and sort of filled us in on some of that.
Listening to some of those answers about the offense and
about the verbiage, and he kept mentioning the verbiage a lot,
and we don't want, we want to try to get
away from the way we used to call it. Listening

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to him talk about it gave me the small Sea
concern too, like it sounded like this is kind of hard.

Speaker 7 (01:19:45):
Yeah, adds another layer to my two concerns, which are
cutting down the interceptions and delivering and clutch and those
are things where if there's a lot on your plate,
you might make an absent minded error with an interception,
or you might not be able to run everything as efficiency.
When all the pressures on the clock's ticking, it's getting
down to the end of the game.

Speaker 8 (01:20:04):
It puts a little bit more on those two.

Speaker 3 (01:20:06):
Now I am expecting the interceptions to go down because
I think that's going to be a real point of emphasis,
and I think they're good coaches. So it's like when
a team comes in. You know, when Bill Parcells came
in and had my boy as his number one overall
draft pick and rookie quarterback, and they have been sacks
like nine thousand times in ninety two. He just went

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in and had one goal, and that was to cut
the number of sacks, you know, dramatically, and they did.
With a rookie number one overall pick. Their sacks. I mean,
I don't have the numbers in front of me, but
their sacks went from like sixty to twenty something like that.
And because they put a real point of emphasis on it,
I'd be shocked if Josh doesn't say, Okay, this is

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what we need to avoid. Now that might be at
the expense of making some plays, which is going to
bother say right as I was just gonna say, a.

Speaker 8 (01:20:56):
Conservative hold them back a little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:20:58):
They gotta think the interception total is good, you know,
the percentage is going to drop a little bit.

Speaker 4 (01:21:04):
Yeah, And to be fair, I think McDaniels during the
year off was it might have been with Edelman, might
have been games with names that he was on, and
he was talking about how to develop a young quarterback
and he mentioned that you don't just throw him in
the deep end with all this type of stuff, right,
like you kind of add a little bit as you go.
But it just last year they made a point to

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take it off the quarterback and put it on the
center to make all of the calls and things like that.
And I just wonder if, especially when he's a young guy,
if there's something to be said for taking that off
his plate and letting him just kind of play. And
then maybe as he grows and as he gets older
and then he says, I want the controls, you know,
I need more control at the line of scrimmage.

Speaker 1 (01:21:46):
How many teams do it quarterback for a center, would
you say?

Speaker 4 (01:21:51):
I would say most of them are center based, really, yeah,
a vast majority of them.

Speaker 1 (01:21:56):
And I would think it'd be the other way around.

Speaker 4 (01:21:58):
Well, I mean, look at you know, there's a clip
going around now that has been around for years. But
like Jeff Saturday used to make all the calls in
Indianapolis for Peyton, you know, for years. Really, Yeah, so
what was.

Speaker 1 (01:22:11):
All the nonsense?

Speaker 3 (01:22:12):
Yeah, A lot of it was I know, I know
a lot of it was smoke screen.

Speaker 1 (01:22:15):
But yeah, Peyton wasn't making calls.

Speaker 10 (01:22:18):
At the line.

Speaker 4 (01:22:18):
No, A lot of it ran through their center and
Jeff Saturday and I'll did you hear them over Peyton?
I don't know, I just him telling you are you
sure about that?

Speaker 1 (01:22:26):
Yeah? Okay?

Speaker 4 (01:22:28):
And and you know Peyton just.

Speaker 1 (01:22:29):
People trying to diminish Peyton.

Speaker 3 (01:22:31):
Manning check out of like runs and stuff like, you know,
into runs a lot, famously in the AFC Championship game
in six. I believe that was a check into a
run that they ended up walking into the end zone.
I think he I think Manning actually gave credit to
Marvin Harrison saying, you know, Marvin, of all people wanted
to run the ball, you know when they got down there.

Speaker 11 (01:22:52):
Getting lit up all game.

Speaker 3 (01:22:54):
Yeah, So, I mean, I think there's probably I don't know,
I think some of that is probably a little bit overblown,
But I do think this is going now? What four
five years in a row for Drake May with a
different offensive court, four years in a row going back
to college, two years in college and now the two
years in the pros. That's four different offensive coordinators. Yeah,

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you know, that's that's tough.

Speaker 1 (01:23:19):
Yeah, that's tough.

Speaker 4 (01:23:20):
That'sah. And there was regression at North Carolina from his
true sophomore year to his true junior.

Speaker 3 (01:23:26):
And everybody blew that off as to was poor coaching.

Speaker 4 (01:23:29):
And it may have been, and he also lost some
players to the NFL.

Speaker 3 (01:23:32):
Right, it may have been part of that, but it
also it's just it's tough.

Speaker 4 (01:23:35):
Yeah, it's tough.

Speaker 5 (01:23:36):
Ford and Savannah, Georgia. Last show, you kind of glossed
over two lines that made me laugh out loud. The
first one was the darkest, lash funniest thing I've ever heard,
right up my alley. When Paul said that Tim Tim
Tebill failed, I almost spit up my water. I guess
at mentoring Hernandez. Probably later in the show, Deuce with

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the Jets are in your fifth do you want of
a rebuilt.

Speaker 4 (01:24:03):
Yeah, Jets catching them straight today.

Speaker 3 (01:24:06):
That's what we do well we do and I'm here
for those like I hate the Jets, and the Jets
are always because the Jets, Like when I was growing up,
the Jets were just like the Patriots. They just couldn't
get out of their own way. But for some reason
it was New York and everybody's like, got the Jets,
this is a Jets year, and everybody was like the Patriots.

Speaker 10 (01:24:24):
Thak.

Speaker 3 (01:24:25):
You know, I was like, why are they considered so
much better than us? What did they ever do? What
did they ever take on? You know, it's a little
channeling of the inside, like maybe eight nine, ten year
old PAULI.

Speaker 4 (01:24:34):
Yeah, see, finally some fandom comes anytime I you know.

Speaker 3 (01:24:37):
That's where the passion. But that's where the passion comes from,
is like that irrational fandom.

Speaker 5 (01:24:43):
Well, I'll tell you I never hated the Jets more. Well,
I hated him you love to do sixty nine in
your defense during the Border War, Like I hated him.
But then my hatred was really really renewed in the
Rex Ryan era because he knew how to need it,
like he knew like if you were a fan and
like me, like you hated Rex Ryan although you appreciated

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what he was doing, like.

Speaker 10 (01:25:06):
I was.

Speaker 3 (01:25:09):
The Border War brought out all kinds of irrational hatred
for me, Like I was so mad, like a as
you guys know, I was Team Parcels, and I was like,
now they got our guy, and now our guy is
making us look bad with half the amount of talent
that our team has. I was like, those are bad,
those are bad times for me. The first game that
they actually won, remember when the Mike Jones blocked the

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field goals It was Mike Jones right, yes, yeah, he
took a war goal and they won an overtime the
first tunable and I was so mad after that game.
It was like they might as well have lost like
eight in a row. That's how mad I was.

Speaker 4 (01:25:42):
I was.

Speaker 3 (01:25:43):
I would play real that they played that poorly and
left that team solely because the other team's coach pants
dark coach. I was so mad I was, I was.
I was irrationally mad.

Speaker 5 (01:25:54):
I remember remember the game we lost against the Jets
at their place.

Speaker 3 (01:25:57):
Oh, I was even mad at that way when Lawyer
molloy was on the team and over there they have
what we we want.

Speaker 1 (01:26:04):
It's like, oh I was so mad at him, Like
stop whining.

Speaker 3 (01:26:07):
I wasn't mad at him.

Speaker 5 (01:26:08):
And they broke the was somebody punched the cooler in
the visiting locker room. We got charged for ye in
the meadow lands.

Speaker 3 (01:26:15):
We got you never told me about story? Yeah, what
what was it like when they set the Curtis Martin.

Speaker 1 (01:26:21):
That was another poison pill, an one the poison pill.

Speaker 7 (01:26:24):
You were in the building for that right before your
pre Paul, Yeah, oh yeah, were furious again, Like yeah,
I know, like you don't think this like I was.

Speaker 3 (01:26:34):
I was sitting on those cold benches. I was as
passionate as anybody. It's just a little different when you're
sort of like at your job. But like at the time,
I was unbelievably mad when they when they signed Curtis
Martin and when parcels last, and like again it was
like lawyer said, they have everything that we had and
you could see it. It's right there. They became you.

Speaker 1 (01:26:57):
All right, it's one. So it's for some Jaws trivia.

Speaker 4 (01:27:01):
Oh great, I can't wait for this.

Speaker 3 (01:27:05):
So let's go. You ready.

Speaker 5 (01:27:07):
Before Steven Spielberg, John Sturgis was attached to direct what
was he the reported reason the producers gave him the boot?

Speaker 3 (01:27:17):
Jeez, he you don't know. This is more of a
deuced question because you're more inside Hollywood, you were probably
his He kept calling the shark a whale.

Speaker 4 (01:27:26):
I mean, you would have known the difference based off.

Speaker 8 (01:27:30):
Whatever. Just get the whale in here.

Speaker 5 (01:27:32):
Jaws was the first Hollywood production to have this impressively
bad filming.

Speaker 7 (01:27:36):
Achievement, impersively bad filming achievement, failing to show a work.

Speaker 1 (01:27:43):
It was one hundred days behind shooting schedule.

Speaker 3 (01:27:46):
It was it was I knew it was delayed. I
didn't know. It was like a record.

Speaker 5 (01:27:50):
What major Hooper plot point from the book was changed
towards the end of production? And why, hint, it's not
his affair with Ellen body.

Speaker 8 (01:28:01):
I thought it was moot.

Speaker 3 (01:28:03):
I see, there's there's mob ties I believe with the mayor.
Oh right, right right, yeah, And that's why he refused
in the book. Yeah, that's why they refused to close
the beaches. But I always I thought that I thought
that Hooper had an affair with missus Chief.

Speaker 1 (01:28:16):
He probably did.

Speaker 5 (01:28:17):
But the answer is he was supposed to die in
the cage, but when filming real shark cage footed for
the scene, a great white accidentally attacked the cage without
anyone inside, forcing Spielberg to change Hooper's fate.

Speaker 8 (01:28:30):
It was great trivia.

Speaker 3 (01:28:31):
I didn't know any of these these that's that's next
level trivia.

Speaker 5 (01:28:34):
Jaws broke the record for most money earned on opening
weekend and all time theatrical run until Star Wars. What
were the record breaking amounts? Round to the nearest million,
closest amount wins?

Speaker 1 (01:28:46):
If not spot on?

Speaker 5 (01:28:47):
Bonus, if you can guess which movie Jaws the throne
at the end of its run. So the opening weekend take,
what do you think that.

Speaker 3 (01:28:55):
Was back then?

Speaker 1 (01:28:57):
I'm gonna say eighty million, seven million.

Speaker 3 (01:29:00):
Seven million. I was going to say one hundred What
do you think?

Speaker 1 (01:29:04):
What do you think? What do you think the theatrical.

Speaker 8 (01:29:06):
Run was over the whole courses? Yeah about let's go.

Speaker 1 (01:29:11):
On, bonus? What movie did it dethrone?

Speaker 3 (01:29:18):
Godfa Godfather?

Speaker 1 (01:29:19):
Correct?

Speaker 3 (01:29:21):
That was my questions so good questions seven? Got even
got it.

Speaker 7 (01:29:25):
I'm almost done with my Orca Legos, still got a
couple of bags to go. I'm savoring it, just down
to the shark Legos.

Speaker 3 (01:29:32):
Do you have like a cigar that you can smoke
when you're done?

Speaker 8 (01:29:38):
A Narrowgancett beer, and then I'll crush.

Speaker 4 (01:29:41):
All the kids of Patriots dot Com thought that the
Orca was a whale. We were not aware that the
Orca was the name of the boat it was, so
when Dude showed us a picture of it, we were.

Speaker 3 (01:29:52):
Like, this is what we deal with.

Speaker 1 (01:29:54):
This is what we rible.

Speaker 3 (01:29:57):
Damn it, guys, this is back to you requiring people
learn about the history.

Speaker 1 (01:30:02):
You probably thought the ss Mino was a little fit
thing that one I knew It'lligan's Islands, Boby Dick.

Speaker 7 (01:30:12):
Oh my god, I think we got I think we
have a content team outing some like Friday Afternoon over
Patriot Placed.

Speaker 8 (01:30:18):
When jos gets re released. We gotta get some of
these kids in there a little party.

Speaker 4 (01:30:22):
If you want to fall asleep, you can do that.

Speaker 1 (01:30:24):
It'll be one over.

Speaker 8 (01:30:26):
This is Cinema Afternoon.

Speaker 3 (01:30:28):
But I miss is the boat. It's not tell anybody
kill a whale that.

Speaker 8 (01:30:33):
Actually can kill sharks. They eat their livers.

Speaker 11 (01:30:37):
You know that.

Speaker 5 (01:30:39):
Before we learn about Quin's tattoo, what are all the
other permanent injuries Quentin and Hooper compare, and if mentioned,
how did they occur? Just the injury doesn't count. Bonus
If listen in order.

Speaker 3 (01:30:50):
We got the bump on the head, fresh little lump.

Speaker 5 (01:30:53):
On Quin's head Thresher Sat Days Boston.

Speaker 1 (01:30:58):
You got that.

Speaker 3 (01:30:59):
Uh, that's one when he met his celebrating the dimise
of his third wife. Yeah, I believe right, I don't
know he didn't say that. Oh he doesn't have. I
thought he had all the knack o'.

Speaker 1 (01:31:10):
Nolan's St Patty Day.

Speaker 3 (01:31:12):
Yeah then uh yeah, you had the one bit right
to his wet suit.

Speaker 8 (01:31:15):
Yeah right, yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:31:18):
Also yeah, Mary Mary.

Speaker 3 (01:31:21):
Broke his heart on Marianna Mary something.

Speaker 5 (01:31:24):
Yeah, you got that's broken hard for Mary Ellen Moffatt.

Speaker 1 (01:31:26):
So that's three.

Speaker 3 (01:31:29):
Uh. Then Chief shows scot he looks at he considers,
he looks at it.

Speaker 8 (01:31:36):
Should I share this?

Speaker 1 (01:31:37):
No, that's not one.

Speaker 8 (01:31:38):
The US is Indianapolis, that this is all before, all
before the US.

Speaker 1 (01:31:43):
He Quin's fake to Yeah, but no reason given. You
got the forearm.

Speaker 5 (01:31:49):
Scar Quint's forearm can't extend a certain point because a
big Chinese fellow beat him in the semi finals wrestling contest.

Speaker 3 (01:31:57):
This song on the movie, Yeah it's all in Star
when you pay attention to if you were at all
interested in the movie, it's one of the great scenes
in cinema history.

Speaker 5 (01:32:07):
Scar on Hooper's calf when a Bullshark brushed him when
collecting samples.

Speaker 3 (01:32:11):
Collecting sample samples and.

Speaker 5 (01:32:13):
The star on Quinn Shin from a Thrasher's Tale.

Speaker 3 (01:32:16):
Oh so I missed. Yeah, we watched that. We watched that.
It's good though we're not We're not anywhere nearest.

Speaker 4 (01:32:22):
What's going on with you to you guys are after game?

Speaker 3 (01:32:24):
What are we doing?

Speaker 11 (01:32:25):
I don't know?

Speaker 3 (01:32:26):
I mean, Harty was asking me, I want to hang
out with this guy?

Speaker 11 (01:32:29):
Though? What keys?

Speaker 8 (01:32:30):
Was the is the theme in like what are the
two piano keys of.

Speaker 3 (01:32:34):
Trying to get Mike and I to go to some
like musical job.

Speaker 8 (01:32:38):
Yeah, they're gonna well.

Speaker 7 (01:32:39):
Keith Lockhart and the pops are playing the soundtrack to
Jaws while they play the movie.

Speaker 4 (01:32:43):
Isn't it just one didful thing?

Speaker 8 (01:32:45):
You know, it's a whole score event and it's a movie.

Speaker 3 (01:32:48):
Disrepect Now he's disrepected John John Williams, who is arguably
the greatest movie composer in history, right sixty five here
like storied history, and what's the one that's like that's
just one song that sounds like you talking about Red Dawn.

Speaker 4 (01:33:02):
It's like this the shark song.

Speaker 3 (01:33:03):
That's it.

Speaker 4 (01:33:04):
I mean, there's nothing going.

Speaker 3 (01:33:05):
To be we get Patriot players in here. I want
to find some guys at have scene jaws.

Speaker 4 (01:33:09):
They're all younger than me, so.

Speaker 5 (01:33:10):
Probably so when Josh Stobbs was here, we got into
a little bit of Star Wars talk.

Speaker 1 (01:33:15):
Robin and Alaska wright.

Speaker 5 (01:33:16):
Say, George Lucas added episode numbers to the Star Wars
film in nineteen eighty one when he realized he'd likely
have the money to make the entire story he'd envision.
I could be wrong, but I think that means the
titles are older than Evan regardless. Evan's take about how
sane people say they are one, two, and three feels
as hilarious as how he hates watermelon because it's wet

(01:33:37):
and can't stand Pam Beasley because she wanted to paint.

Speaker 4 (01:33:42):
There's a lot of reasons for hating Pam Beasley that aren't.

Speaker 3 (01:33:45):
About I'm gonna defend on the on the Pam Beasley
thing because a lot of people have a very similar opinion.

Speaker 4 (01:33:51):
Now the Star Wars movies, they're just the originals are
in like a trilogy of their own to me, and
then every there's kind of everything else and the periphery.
But the Originals are on a pedestal by themselves, so
they're one two three. Okay, that's all.

Speaker 5 (01:34:07):
Let's get back to the phones eight five five pats
five hundred. We'll start with Brent in West Virginia. Hey, Brent, Hey, Hey,
all right, hey, if I.

Speaker 2 (01:34:19):
Had a question, and a few episodes ago, he was
talking about Skarnaikia term me and I was just wondering
if there's any chance, I hate there's some private list
and Will.

Speaker 1 (01:34:29):
Campbell I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:34:32):
I you know, I know he's available and thanks for
the call. I know he's made himself available during the
off season to do some stuff. But you know, we'll
have to see about that.

Speaker 3 (01:34:43):
I mean, I'm all for a scar.

Speaker 7 (01:34:44):
I hate I hate always being the guy that's like
scars retired. Like, but how much does like, you know,
a couple hours with him work, Like I think I
feel like offensive line coach.

Speaker 3 (01:34:52):
Yeah, you need to drill.

Speaker 4 (01:34:54):
Training the guys at Boston College. Uh, you know, Trapelo
and Drew Kendall. I don't know if Jack con who
the Patriots reportedly signed as an undrafted free agent, he
might have been working with him. So he's he's doing uh,
you know, the like the all the private trainers we
talk about all the time. But Will Campbell's working with
Duke Mannyweather. I wrote about that in my my feature,

(01:35:15):
and Duke is really well respected in the offensive line
community as a trainer, coach, former player. So he's he's
got a guy, yeah as of right now. But it
couldn't it couldn't hurt obviously, I'm not saying that, but
he does have a guy.

Speaker 5 (01:35:31):
I feel like Scarneckia might be, you know, break glass
in case of emergency.

Speaker 8 (01:35:36):
Isn't going right, what's going on?

Speaker 1 (01:35:37):
We shouldn't need.

Speaker 4 (01:35:38):
Him, Yeah, I would say the biggest advantage about scar
is that he obviously is totally familiar with Josh mcdaniels's offense,
so he would understand the system and the numbers and
you know, the seventies protections and like all that different
stuff that they they do. So maybe even more so
from like a whiteboard aspect, it would be helpful for
these guys as well as like he would teach them

(01:35:59):
the technique that they're probably teaching here, So there would
be a lot of familiarity in that respect.

Speaker 1 (01:36:05):
Tim and Arlington your next What's up?

Speaker 10 (01:36:09):
Take's house? Killing everybody? A couple of quick things, and
my question about the undrafted receivers, I'll take off the air,
but first, really happy with the draft. So glad we
didn't wind up with McMillan love Williams, so I'm really
excited about that. As far as the Hall of Fame
vote goes, Here's the thing I was. I was torn

(01:36:32):
between Edelman and Vin Terry. I think both deserve to
get in. I think when you're when you have someone
like really deserving, you do have to kind of pit
nicks a little bit. And I think the thing that
does get Edelman over is he was a career Patriot.
I get that, you know, nobody wanted to sign him
quote unquote, but the fact is he stayed there. Whereas

(01:36:54):
with Adam din and Terry. I think it's similar to
Tom Brady, And this is another way I think people
should look at it. One would agree Tom Brady is
a Patriot. He played for the Buccaneers, he won them
a Super Bowl. But I would say Tom Brady is
sixty forty Patriots versus Buck, and I think it's.

Speaker 3 (01:37:10):
Sixty for Tom Brady is like ninety five to five
Patriot over Buck sixty forty. I guess I'm wrong. I
owe all the fans in apology, I guess I'm like,
ha ha.

Speaker 10 (01:37:23):
Like wow, well he's won him a super Bowl, Paul,
he won.

Speaker 3 (01:37:26):
How many do you went for the Patriots?

Speaker 5 (01:37:28):
I know, but you can't compare what he did at Tampa.
It's not it's come on, sixty forty.

Speaker 10 (01:37:33):
No, look, I'm saying he's a Patriot.

Speaker 3 (01:37:36):
Okay, we're quippling over percent, Andary is a Patriot. I
don't care that he played longer for the for the Whites,
for the Colts. I almost said White Sox because I
was thinking of Calton Fish. Let's also played longer for
the White so Let's. But he's get serted a red so.

Speaker 5 (01:37:49):
I would say that if if Vinitary had finished his
career with the Patriots and they have never won another
Super Bowl, he'd still be a candidate for the Hall
of Fame. If he had played it his whole career
with the Colts and just won that one Super Bowl,
he would not be a Hall of Fame candidate.

Speaker 1 (01:38:06):
He's a Hall of Fame Patriot.

Speaker 3 (01:38:08):
But everything else is the same. Yeah, he's so he's
the leading scorer of all time.

Speaker 1 (01:38:12):
Yeah, he's a pro football.

Speaker 3 (01:38:13):
He's a be a Hall of Fame.

Speaker 5 (01:38:14):
Kam, he's a pro football candidate because of what he
did with the Patriots.

Speaker 4 (01:38:19):
I think that puts it over the top, just in
terms of the touch kicks, and.

Speaker 3 (01:38:22):
I think it's impossible to separate the two. Yeah, I agree,
But if he did everything else, he'd be a candidate
for the Hall of Fame. If he like played whatever
of twenty four years something like that and is the
all time leading scorer.

Speaker 8 (01:38:35):
And you'd have him in the colts team Hall of Fame.

Speaker 3 (01:38:38):
No, you guys wouldn't, because only Patriots have enough players
in the Hall of Fame. Evidently, what guy?

Speaker 10 (01:38:45):
He got the cult a super Bowl as well, he
played longer for them, he helped him win a Super Bowl.

Speaker 3 (01:38:50):
Yeah, I think because he's a great player.

Speaker 10 (01:38:55):
He is a great player. But I think you're disrespecting
the fact that.

Speaker 3 (01:38:58):
He's a cult respecting it.

Speaker 10 (01:39:01):
I'm out if I'm a coult fan, I don't like
it's just like the outrage you also rightfully.

Speaker 3 (01:39:07):
Let me let me ask you this, Tim, Tim, hold
on this because this is a good This is a
good conversation actually, because I think when you look at
things from different sides, unlike a lot of times on
this show. Will you guys yell at me for doing that? Okay,
all right, let me let me count. Let me count
with this. Thanks, let me counter with this. Tim give
me this the signature kick of Adam Vani Terry as

(01:39:29):
a cult.

Speaker 10 (01:39:33):
Well, in the super Bowl, lady.

Speaker 1 (01:39:35):
Didn't he hit one?

Speaker 10 (01:39:37):
I'm answering the question.

Speaker 3 (01:39:39):
He didn't have a big kick in the super Bowl.
They won the super Bowl like twenty nine to seventeen.
Oh well, okay, that's fair, but that but that's you
know that, And I think that's why And again that
I didn't say that, like argumentatively, I'm saying I think

(01:39:59):
that's why we feel his his career is more defined
for what he did with the Patriots, even though it
wasn't as long as what he.

Speaker 4 (01:40:06):
Did with the cults. Also, but like what's why does
it matter? No, Like for the purposes of the Patriots
Hall of Fame, Well, for people who.

Speaker 1 (01:40:13):
Voted for Edelman first, Oh he's really a cult.

Speaker 4 (01:40:16):
Oh okay, yeah, But at my own people, I think
that's like we're young, like I got I'm okay with it.

Speaker 3 (01:40:26):
I just disagree with it, no, because I think one
guy really didn't have an opportunity to leave, and the
other guy was so good he had people wanting him
like that to me, is not a great reason.

Speaker 8 (01:40:36):
But this is all.

Speaker 4 (01:40:36):
This is my overall point about the whole process. And
again I'm taking shots at my own my own age
bracket here, so whatever, right, But when you put things
on social media to have the vote driven by social media,
you are organically catering to a younger age demographic.

Speaker 3 (01:40:55):
You're inviting inconsistencies and what my I don't know. It's
a problem with the process from the start.

Speaker 5 (01:41:03):
Actually, you vote on a dot com website and they've
been around for a long time.

Speaker 4 (01:41:07):
Right, But I don't think the dot com website still
is catering to people that really truly remember Adam Vinitary's kicks,
like I remember them.

Speaker 3 (01:41:18):
Facebook because of that's that's my generation, because.

Speaker 4 (01:41:22):
I kind of lived it. But I also remember it
because I've seen them so many times, you know, replayed
over and over again. I don't remember them like you
guys remember them were like you know, like I don't
remember it like that. So if you're if you were
eight in two thousand and one, who are you going
to vote for it? You're gonna vote for any.

Speaker 5 (01:41:40):
Do you remember Habilt chick steals the ball. No, okay,
all right, no, at least you're consistent the sixties.

Speaker 3 (01:41:48):
I don't either.

Speaker 1 (01:41:50):
You don't care about the history of the team. No,
I've seen that, Havelots. I'm part of Celtics Hill.

Speaker 3 (01:41:56):
I'm not saying me.

Speaker 4 (01:41:57):
I'm saying that I think, unfortunately that it's just the
reality for a lot of younger people.

Speaker 1 (01:42:03):
So selfish.

Speaker 3 (01:42:04):
But I say.

Speaker 5 (01:42:07):
Self absorbed because people do happen when you were you know,
saw that didn't happen.

Speaker 3 (01:42:11):
I'm gonna let Fred get the raft of the of
the youngs.

Speaker 4 (01:42:14):
But I was on his side.

Speaker 3 (01:42:16):
I said it all the time. When you know people
like I was, I wasn't even born. I'm like, I
wasn't born like Babe Ruth was hitting more home runs
than the rest of the league combined.

Speaker 1 (01:42:24):
Either.

Speaker 4 (01:42:24):
But I know what happens, you know, But I.

Speaker 3 (01:42:25):
Know what happened.

Speaker 1 (01:42:26):
Actually, I know about because I was interested.

Speaker 3 (01:42:29):
I know Willie Mays was the like the greatest player
who ever played, Like I know Ted Williams, you know,
hit four hundred. All of this happened like years thirty
years before I was born. Yeah, but you know, but
you know about it. And also I know we won
the Revolutionary Ward too, it wasn't alive, right.

Speaker 4 (01:42:46):
You Sure, that's a great point. But like Halichick told,
the ball is another great example. I have seen that
highlight and I've heard Johnny mose call and halichiks tole
the ball a hundred times that I feel like I
saw it, even though it was way way before I
was born. Unfortunately, not everybody in my age and below
you think that way?

Speaker 1 (01:43:07):
Does that Patriots fan has seen the Vinitary Kicks? Now?

Speaker 4 (01:43:10):
Really, no, I bet you're not. Every one of them has.

Speaker 5 (01:43:14):
If they've seen any three games to Glory, they've seen them.
If they've seen, you know, any of that stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:43:20):
They don't ask questions you don't want the answers. You
don't think every Patriots fan seeing three games to glory?

Speaker 4 (01:43:26):
No, Like I've seen all of those, but I was
at least of age where I lived it a little
bit like people that are ten years younger than me.

Speaker 3 (01:43:35):
No chance the Vinitary Kicks. When I say everybody we
can we you know, I don't mean like exactly one
hundred percent, Like there's not one Patriots fan on the
planet who didn't see it. But I think we're talking
ninety nine percent in change. I've seen the vinitary k.
I would hope, I would absolutely think. I think that
the mentality that Tim and I'm again I disagree with

(01:43:58):
it doesn't mean that they you know, people liked him,
shouldn't think like that. They think he left and they
did that they were wronged he left us. So I'm
gonna go with Edelman instead. That's their mentality. Welker dropped
the pass. He's a choker. That's the mentality. Mankins, for
as great as he was, he never won a super
Bowl and then he left. That's the mentality. And that's

(01:44:22):
what's gonna be hard for these guys to get in.
I'm telling you, until there's no if you have Gronk
and in an option for any of those guys, it's
going to be Gronk a thousand times out of a thousand.
If you have mccordy, it's gonna be mccaudy. If you
have any viable option that is more recent, and the

(01:44:44):
more recent option is going to win.

Speaker 5 (01:44:45):
I think we have to make an effort to make
the vote more representative of the entire fan base and
not just you.

Speaker 7 (01:44:54):
But I see why I voted for Vine Teria, you know,
but you think about Balm like for me, how different
it is. And this is why the two sizes are
at odds. I think too, because Edelman is kind of
the Patriots are already good, who were already like entitled
to win the title, you know, like like Vinetari for us,

(01:45:16):
the Patriots had always stunk like he was the groundbreaker.

Speaker 8 (01:45:19):
He was the one who took it from here we go.
He's gonna miss this kick in the snow.

Speaker 1 (01:45:22):
This is because game.

Speaker 3 (01:45:25):
But it's so true. Mike is so right that it.

Speaker 8 (01:45:28):
Was all new.

Speaker 3 (01:45:28):
It's totally adds to me, to to the aura broke,
not the curse, because just everybody, like even Fred even
we thought like something bad's gonna happen. We're just we're waiting,
like it's gonna be a bad snap or something or
something silly's gonna happen because we could never be the
ones that want it. Remember, do you remember, like in
the call, like everybody remembers Santos with you know, the Fourier.

(01:45:51):
To me, it was like Gino in the background, like
mister Patriot like that, like the unbridled enthusiasm and and
sort of disbelief, like the best team. I think Gil
said something about the best team in football. I forget
exactly the words yep, and Gino is just like, hey,

(01:46:11):
like another, how about that? Like we finally won, Like
that's what everybody was waiting for, was the rug to
get pulled out from under you, and Adam made sure
that it didn't, right, And how sure were you at
the end of Super Bowl thirty six that here come
the Rams there like this you know, you know me right,
that was gonna do right?

Speaker 8 (01:46:28):
But that anament Arry.

Speaker 3 (01:46:30):
Changed the first play when when he almost got stripped,
I was like, oh my god.

Speaker 1 (01:46:34):
So in O one once.

Speaker 5 (01:46:37):
The last time Boston team had won a championship before
one was it was eighty.

Speaker 4 (01:46:41):
Six Celtics, So it was a while. Yeah, And I
would just say, like.

Speaker 3 (01:46:46):
And the Celtics were kind of immune to the choking
it was for the other three teams, yeah, right, But
like it.

Speaker 4 (01:46:51):
Always felt for whatever reason that the Red Sox curse
was the thing, especially that time of of like the
you know Red Sox were probably the number one team
in Boston at that time too, but like the eighty
six year curse for the Red Sox always felt like
maybe a little bit of a bigger deal in the
fact that the Patriots had never won a Super Bowl

(01:47:12):
and so like all that was.

Speaker 3 (01:47:15):
Yeah, that's accurate.

Speaker 4 (01:47:16):
I don't think that there was like as much pain,
I guess.

Speaker 3 (01:47:18):
Because the always got close and couldn't close the deal.
The Patriots, like they got to like the Super Bowl
a couple of times, but you know, the first one
obviously was an absolute blow. The second one it was
a close game, and you know they let the kick
return for a touchdown, and then that game is never
closed in the fourth quarter. So they it wasn't like
they were always getting there and falling short. The Red

(01:47:40):
Sox like seventh game, seventh game, seventh game, collapse down
the stretch, losing the division or something just sucky, terrible happened.

Speaker 1 (01:47:49):
Mike and Charlotte.

Speaker 5 (01:47:50):
If everyone is so convinced that Vinitary should be in
the Hall, would you also put Goskalski in. He's ahead
of Vinitarian every category and it's the franchise's all time
leading score.

Speaker 3 (01:47:59):
No, ask you the same question. I'm going to ask
you the same question. With Stephen Goskowski's signature moment as
a Patriot.

Speaker 8 (01:48:06):
Right, the Giants not taking the one case seventeen.

Speaker 1 (01:48:10):
Super Bowl, he has seven.

Speaker 4 (01:48:12):
Yeah, he does have some has the answer, I would say, the.

Speaker 3 (01:48:15):
Coach not having faith in him to try a forty
seven yard field going.

Speaker 7 (01:48:18):
I mean the clothes, That's what I mean. I was
kind of trying to make the same Joe. The closest
I can get, I think was in that twenty sixteen
or seventeen game against the Giants.

Speaker 3 (01:48:25):
You're talking he had fifty.

Speaker 5 (01:48:28):
And listen, Goskalki's fine, but he shouldn't be in the
Patriots Hall of Fame, and his accomplishments don't come close
to what Vinitari did for this team.

Speaker 4 (01:48:38):
For this team, I don't think anybody argues that, like
Goskoski was a fine kicker, he was.

Speaker 3 (01:48:43):
Really was really, really good.

Speaker 1 (01:48:45):
It was great to listen.

Speaker 3 (01:48:47):
I know, I am sure he does, but come on, sure,
I'm gonna an email when I get back to my dead.

Speaker 4 (01:48:52):
Well the kick. What I always remember is the last
Super Bowl against the Rams, the second one, and you know,
Brady was like just kicking right, and Bill. Bill is
like contemplating, I think, going for it right, to try
to like kneel out the clock right, you know, pick
up the first down and kneel it out and Brady
was like, we kick it. It's a two swear game.

Speaker 11 (01:49:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:49:12):
He sounded like, Paul, what are we doing?

Speaker 4 (01:49:13):
Yeah, yeah, we're up.

Speaker 1 (01:49:16):
Boston Cream's on the line. What's up, Boston Cream?

Speaker 14 (01:49:19):
Hey, guys, really excited to wear my Patriots jersey with
my backwards Patman and the heart by Splint Schworts today
in public?

Speaker 11 (01:49:27):
Nice?

Speaker 14 (01:49:27):
Maybe even my Edelman jersey. I just wanted to comment,
really happy that Edelman got in. Clearly he's better than
Welker because he caught one ball. Everyone totally forgets that
he had multiple drops on third down in that Super Bowl.
That doesn't matter because Patriot's one and the defense saved
his legacy. My question is I can go on a rams,

(01:49:49):
I can go on as serious right. I don't know
how people think that Edelman is so much better of
a player over Welker.

Speaker 3 (01:49:57):
They're both great, but they're both great. I have no
problem like those two guys to me, As I said earlier,
I wouldn't even have to think about them being in
the Hall of Fame, the Patriots Hall of Fame. I
did lock.

Speaker 14 (01:50:09):
I think it's the Super Bowl career was Welker's career
was kind of at the infansity of social media, and
a lot of the people that are on social media
right now probably weren't alive or were too young to
kind of even remember Welker. But everyone talks about one moment,
so they have that kind of well I've heard about it.

Speaker 11 (01:50:28):
So I know it.

Speaker 3 (01:50:31):
Yeah, I mean, I also would say Edelman's personality helps
him a lot too. He's got a great personality.

Speaker 1 (01:50:36):
Well, look at.

Speaker 5 (01:50:37):
Remember Kevin Falk when he wore the Brady jersey. A
lot of people thought that that put him over the
top in his voting.

Speaker 3 (01:50:46):
M I mean one at the draft.

Speaker 8 (01:50:50):
I remember that, Yeah, so much disrespect.

Speaker 3 (01:50:53):
Kevin Falk is probably one of my ten best guys
that I ever covered. Like, I love Kevin Falk, but
come on, yeah, Richard Seymour.

Speaker 14 (01:51:02):
My question is am I being a little pessimistic by
thinking the Patriots going to have to earn my trust?
But a lot of people are kind of thinking we
can compete for a playoff spot. And maybe it's me
just trauma bonding with other people, but.

Speaker 3 (01:51:15):
I rama bonding.

Speaker 5 (01:51:18):
Yeah, I mean, we've we've been through it the last
few years, so I don't blame it you know, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:51:23):
I think he's you got to show it. I think
they'll be better. I think the schedule is weak. I
think they've improved the roster. But we got to see,
you how does it all come together?

Speaker 4 (01:51:33):
I mean, until you know, Drake May strings together. I
mean he won one game as a rookie, and I
know it was a disaster year all around, not putting
that on him, but until they actually string together, you know,
some wins and and really show us the concept, right,
you know, and we.

Speaker 3 (01:51:49):
Have all those games that we're sort of looking at,
like the schedule, and you know, we don't know for
sure that you know, whatever the group is Cleveland, I
think Indy, maybe Jacksonville, No Indy, who else? There's like
two or three Carolina, right, everybody has like you know,

(01:52:11):
just check them off. Well, what if one or two
of those teams turns out to be one of you know,
like Washington, like that you went in to be a
team that you went into the season thinking is going
to stink and that's a that's a cupcake win for you,
and all of a sudden when you play them, they're
five and one Like that can happen too. So I
agree with Boston team.

Speaker 4 (01:52:31):
You got to see it all the all the analytics
models think the Patriots have one of the easiest schedules
in the league on paper, paper, and this is now
they baked into the draft and you know, everything's kind
of done right U And I think that I saw
the other day it was like they have like the
second or third easiest projected schedule in the NFL next year.
But I've heard a lot of different places, you know,

(01:52:54):
I think Kay Adams was kind of talking it up
Mena Chimes, like Adams has a playoff team, Like let's
I'm not trying to rain on anybody's parade, but like,
let's let's even can we get into camp first and
like see what this all looks like before we start
talking about the playoffs. It's a little well, it took.

Speaker 7 (01:53:10):
A while from my confidence to completely disappear over like
the course of twenty and twenty one, you know, and
there were fits and starts. Sometimes they had good games
that made you think, all right, they're back, baby, But
it was weird getting that out of your head of
like they have Bill Belichick, Like what like how I
mean twenty twenty three was like what is going on?
Like this team is completely the antithesis of everything he's

(01:53:33):
tried to tell us. You didn't just get there in
a day and be like this suck. They're not gonna
win again. It's just like, I'm going to enjoy the
process of what kind of team is this?

Speaker 1 (01:53:41):
How do they win?

Speaker 8 (01:53:42):
You know, instead of like just penciling in ten.

Speaker 1 (01:53:44):
Wins, You're going to enjoy the process.

Speaker 8 (01:53:45):
I'm gonna try to be his new tax.

Speaker 3 (01:53:48):
He enjoys everything. He's going to enjoy the process.

Speaker 1 (01:53:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:53:52):
So in the middle of the season when they have
a three game winning streak, when Mike, ah, you enjoyed
the process.

Speaker 4 (01:53:57):
Wins's process over results.

Speaker 8 (01:53:58):
Now it's going to be the angry call when they
have like a disappointing like they're three and six.

Speaker 3 (01:54:02):
And how's the process now, dude, I hear you.

Speaker 4 (01:54:05):
Here we go.

Speaker 3 (01:54:06):
I'll be feeding some people of those lines.

Speaker 5 (01:54:08):
Curtis and Saint Louis. So I voted for Vinitari just
to be clear, Fred. That being said, look at it
this way, Fred, this is what you get when you
leave it to the masses. They go with the sexy pick.
People are not excited about a kicker. They want that
sexy wide receiver. No one claimed Clamor is over a
kicker in free agency or the draft. No, they want

(01:54:28):
the running back or the wide receiver. They want weapons.
I understand he's a Hall of Famer, no doubt, but
it's not the sexy pick my opinion. I didn't like
that Parcel's got it. I feel that Adam and Edelman
should have gone. Well, we can't do both of them.
But anyway, I have a.

Speaker 7 (01:54:43):
Question on the course of your career here doing what
you guys do, talking about football a lot, did you
notice the influence of fantasy football and suddenly people became
more infatuated with receivers and receptions and.

Speaker 3 (01:54:57):
The influence of it on the fans I.

Speaker 1 (01:55:00):
Do, And just in terms of name recognition, I think
it helped a lot of the you know, the receivers.

Speaker 3 (01:55:06):
Like you said, I would say people think a lot
more of individual skill position guys in general than I do.
And that's why I mean in terms of like winning
and losing games as opposed to compiling stats.

Speaker 8 (01:55:18):
It's because it changes so quick.

Speaker 7 (01:55:20):
I remember, every year there's guys who are right, this
is what the top five of the fantasy draft is
going to look like, and it changes so much so quickly,
and there are still guys that and maybe this is
a bad example, but like just Torell Owens, like it
was always we're going to twenty thirteen, twenty four, they
need Terrell Owens.

Speaker 8 (01:55:36):
Torello has been out of the league for like three years.

Speaker 7 (01:55:38):
You guys, what do we But because Fantasy football, like
you just you don't realize that guy he washed out
like two years ago.

Speaker 8 (01:55:45):
But because of Fantasy it just seems like they hold
onto those names longer.

Speaker 1 (01:55:49):
All right, well, listen, there's Frank Edelman. Frank Adelman.

Speaker 3 (01:55:52):
Yeah, they juliefl Network released the video of his father
the Sucks and Slippers.

Speaker 8 (01:55:59):
He state Frank right where he loves the fanny pack fits.

Speaker 7 (01:56:02):
He's got a good story talking Frank about the fanny
pack because everyone in the family makes fun of Frank.

Speaker 8 (01:56:05):
I guess we're wearing a fanny.

Speaker 4 (01:56:07):
Pack and he just doesn't care because he loves andy
packs are in. Because they're back.

Speaker 3 (01:56:11):
I got everything I need right here, So I'm skipped
at the first time around. I'll be skipping it again.

Speaker 4 (01:56:15):
No, they're back and back especially for for for the females,
but not not the bandalier style anymore either way.

Speaker 8 (01:56:23):
Right around the fanning bandeliers, a lot of.

Speaker 1 (01:56:25):
The guys are wearing that it's Europeans a Seinfeld.

Speaker 3 (01:56:33):
Yeah, all right, Well that's going to be it for
this edition of Patriots should change and what do you
got a meeting?

Speaker 1 (01:56:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:56:39):
Thanks everyone, thanks for listening, Thanks for watching Catch twenty
two tomorrow at noon.

Speaker 1 (01:56:44):
Cort, how's Barth doing.

Speaker 4 (01:56:45):
He's doing well. We've been arguing for the past twelve
hours about the Celtics.

Speaker 1 (01:56:49):
The Celtics. Okay, is that going to carry over to Catch?

Speaker 3 (01:56:52):
So angry You've been a little angry about the Celtics. Well,
you seemingly have this thought that people think that they're
now in trouble. No, I haven't sensed any of this.

Speaker 1 (01:57:02):
No, and I know I know. I think they have
a sneaky feeling they are, but they won't admit it.

Speaker 3 (01:57:06):
No extra bravado to cover up for the insecurity.

Speaker 1 (01:57:10):
That's fine.

Speaker 4 (01:57:11):
It just annoys me that every single time they lose
a game like that, it becomes a referendum on the
entire thing. Well, right, like like that.

Speaker 3 (01:57:20):
It has never happened in the history of the NBA.
No one's ever missed forty five threes.

Speaker 4 (01:57:23):
In again, right but forty but it just becomes the
whole thing about the play style and the coach and
this and that and the other thing, and it's like,
all right, well, I guess like the whole thing sucks.

Speaker 3 (01:57:33):
But that's the world. Is that that happens in the
same series enough to get in trouble and he will
not change. That's the concern.

Speaker 4 (01:57:41):
When we're on the parade route, I'll let you know, see.

Speaker 3 (01:57:43):
Okay, a little to cover the security. I'm here for it.
I like it.

Speaker 1 (01:57:48):
That's what being a fans all about, all right.

Speaker 3 (01:57:50):
And if I disagree with them, we'd have another hour
to argue, but I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:57:52):
We'll see a Thursday. Hey, this is bread. Thanks for
tuning into the show.

Speaker 5 (01:57:59):
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Speaker 1 (01:58:10):
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Speaker 9 (01:58:25):
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Speaker 3 (01:58:35):
And I'm usually into the numbers. Okay, we do this.
I mean to the tangible numbers. There's there's tame here.

Speaker 4 (01:58:41):
Just give me.

Speaker 3 (01:58:42):
There's the advantage.

Speaker 4 (01:58:43):
I'm surprised an old fan over here. I thought maybe
I'd have to show you, like a tutorial or something.

Speaker 3 (01:58:49):
How am I old man?

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